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TIME IS NOW ON 3:00 PM I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER OF THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3RD, 2025.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.
UH, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES.
YOU WANNA TRY THAT AGAIN? CAN YOU HEAR ME HERE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE?
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS.
PERMITS MUST BE ATTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UH, FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BACKLOGGED, SO WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS FROM NOVEMBER 5TH AND NOVEMBER 19TH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 5TH AND NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OKAY.AT THIS TIME WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE HAVE SEVEN ITEMS. UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED VIA VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, AND WE'LL PLAY THAT AT THIS TIME.
MY NAME IS LISA LIN, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 9 2 5 SOUTH ST.
MARY STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 3 2 5.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, BE A REPRESENTATIVE PRESENTED, SELF-DESCRIBED, MOSTLY COMPLETED PLAN FOR BUS STOPS ALONG THE GREEN LINE TO THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN AUGUST, 2025.
THIS INCLUDED PROPOSED BUS STOPS, VERY MODERN AND VERY HOMOGENOUS IN APPEARANCE WITH MINOR CONCESSIONS TO OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT INCLUDED THE PERCEIVED NEED FOR A STOP PRUS IN FRONT OF BONHAM ELEMENTARY TO TAKE UP THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK SPACE.
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THAT TIME EMPHASIZED THAT CONVERSION OF THE ONLY AN ENTIRE SIDEWALK INTO A BUS STOP IN FRONT OF A SCHOOL CREATES A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION AND WITH TIME WILL RESULT IN INJURY OR DEATH.THE A A C ALSO EXPRESSED THAT CURRENT BUS STOPS IN KING WILLIAM ARE MUCH BETTER SUITED TO A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NO SUGGESTIONS OFFERED AT THAT TIME TO MAKE ANYTHING SILVER IN SPITE OF ASSURANCES OF A RETURN TO THE A A C COMMITTEE.
TAKING THESE CONSIDERATIONS UNDER ADVISEMENT, THE A A C HAS RECEIVED AND REVIEWED THE CONSENT AGENDA VIA PROPOSAL FOR GREEN LINE BUS STOPS ON DECEMBER 1ST, 2025.
WE REMAIN STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED STOPS IN THE KING WILLIAM AREA FOR THE ABOVE REASONS.
WE REMAIN OPEN TO DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION, AND MODIFICATION AT VIA.
HOWEVER, IF APPROVED AS PROPOSED, THIS RESPONSE WILL SERVE AS CONFIRMING THE CITY OF, OF SAN ANTONIO'S AWARENESS OF THE DANGERS OF THIS PLAN ON A BUSY STREET AND THE PREDICTABLE UNTOWARD EVENTS.
THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR CONSENT ITEMS. THANK YOU.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER ONE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? HEARING NONE.
I'D LIKE TO GET A, UM, MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 23 HOFFEN 2 29 MADISON, 38 20 BROADWAY, 8 0 3 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S, 26 16 NORTH MAINE AND 31 10 ROOSEVELT.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DON'T NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER OR A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
COMMISSIONERS, I'LL, UH, PULL UP ITEM NUMBER ONE.
NOW THE APPLICANT, CHRISTINE VINA AND ART HERRERA, ARE HERE FROM VIA.
MAY YOU STEP UP TO THE PODIUM IN PLEASE.
UH, I IS YOUR MIC ON RIGHT THERE? I BELIEVE? YES.
I'M WITH VIA METROPOLITAN TRANSIT.
I SERVE AS THE DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS AND CHRISTINE VINA, SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER IN OUR PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
I HAVE THREE ITEMS TO INQUIRE ABOUT.
NUMBER ONE IS A STAFF QUESTION.
UH, THE CASE MENTIONS THAT WE HAVE A TOTAL OF WHAT, 26 OR SOME ODD, UM, FACILITIES AND STATIONS TO LOOK AT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX OF THEM TODAY.
WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL FOR THE REMAINING, FOR THE BALANCE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WORK? SO, UM, EVERYTHING IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THESE STATIONS THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN EITHER REPLACING EXISTING STATION IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH WE ALREADY DO ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, THE ACTUAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T REALLY SUBJECT TO A COA AND THE STATIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF A A HISTORIC DISTRICT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS PERTAINS TO THE ELSMERE STOP.
AND IN PLAN WE SEE THAT WE HAVE A PROPERTY LINE AND THEN WE HAVE A PRIVATE PROPERTIES OWNER, PRIVATE, PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY, UM, ADJACENT.
AND SO WE HAVE A FENCE APPROXIMATELY, OR A WALL, WHAT A, UM, A FEW FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU ALSO, VL ALSO IS BUILDING, UM, A BARRIER OF SOME SORT.
A FEW, UM, A FEET OR TWO FROM THE, THE PROPERTY LINE AS WELL, RIGHT? UH, NO, NO.
OR YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE? NO.
SO WE ACTUALLY, UH, THERE IS THE WALL THAT THE, UH, UHHUH THAT THE OWNER BUILT.
THERE IS SOME SPACE, BUT WE WILL OWN EVERYTHING FROM JUST SHY OF THE WALL TO THE CURB.
AND THAT, AND THAT PROPERTY WILL THEN BE
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PLATTED OR RETURNED BACK TO THE CITY AS RIGHT OF WAY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FACE OF THE WALL.SO THAT BECOMES THE, UH, RESPONSIBILITY IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE AND, UM, UM, TRESPASS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO VIA, TO VIA, YES.
UM, THERE'S ALSO ONE ON WOODLAWN THAT I WAS INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT.
AND HERE'S A CASE WHERE YOU DO HAVE AN EXISTING MASONRY WALL AND YOU HAVE A NOTE THAT IT'S TO BE REPLACED.
SO RIGHT NOW THE WALL IS FAILING A BIT.
AND OUR CONCERN IS IF WE START THE CONSTRUCTION THERE, WHEN WE START RIPPING OUT THE, THE SIDEWALK THAT'S THERE, WE'RE, WE'RE FEARFUL THAT THE WALL'S GONNA COME DOWN ANYWAY.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THAT ENTIRE, THAT ENTIRE WALL FROM THE CORNER THERE TO THE, TO THE END OF THE, THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE WILL BE REPLACING THAT WALL.
AND THE NOTE IS TO REPLACE THE WALL Y YES, CORRECT.
AND THERE'S A SIMILAR SITUATION ON ROOSEVELT, UM, NORTHBOUND.
AND THERE'S AN EXISTING MASONRY WALL.
THERE'S ALSO AN EXISTING VIA STOP THERE.
UM, I THINK, UM, UH, I GUESS WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION, I'LL BRING UP MY POINT OKAY.
HOW MANY OF THESE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE REPLACING EXISTING BUS STOPS? UH, IT'S SLIDE 15.
UM, I'LL, UH, CHRISTINE, IF YOU WANNA WORK ON ANSWERING THAT, I'LL WORK ON OKAY.
UM, WE HAVE IN MONTE VISTA, THERE'S THREE STOPS.
THEY ARE ALL BEING LOCATED IN THE APPROXIMATE BLOCK WITHIN THE EXISTING STOP, EITHER ACROSS THE CORNER TO MAKE THEM A FAR SIDE STOP RATHER THAN A NEAR SIDE OR WITHIN, UM, THE TWO CROSS STREETS IN KING WILLIAM.
THE EXISTING STOPS IN RED AND I'VE IDENTIFIED ALL OF THEM.
UM, AND SO THE NEW GREEN LINE STATION ELSMERE, UM, WOULD BE LOCATED ROUGHLY ON LINWOOD WITH A FORMER LINWOOD, UM, ON THE BLOCK TOWARD ELSMERE.
UH, MULBERRY IS NOW BETWEEN MULBERRY AND ATCH, AND THEN WOODLAWN IS JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXISTING STOP.
SORRY, I'M, I'M TRYING TO ZOOM OUT ON THIS.
I, I KNOW THAT IT'S SUPER TIGHT.
AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE FOR, UM, KING WILLIAM AND, AND MISSION, ALL THREE OF THOSE STOPS.
ONE AT SOUTHBOUND PURITA, WHICH IS RIGHT ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS HD ON KING WILLIAM HD, AND THEN THE TWO IN THE MISSION DISTRICT ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER ON RO, THE ROOSEVELT PARK.
THOSE ARE ALL REPLACING EXISTING STOPS AND EXISTING, UM, SHELTERS.
UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MENTIONED THAT, UM, OR REFERENCED IN THEIR LETTER THAT ALL OF THESE ST STOPS ARE BASICALLY DESIGNED TO BE CLOSE TO IDENTICAL IN STYLE AND, UH, DETAILING.
WAS THERE EVER ANY DISCUSSION OR EXAMINATION OF, UH, LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THOSE DISTRICTS RATHER THAN ALL UNIFORM? I'LL START.
UM, WELL, THERE ARE THREE SIZES.
THERE'S A, THE CENTER RUN THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, AND THEN THERE'S A CURBSIDE STATION AND A NARROW CURBSIDE.
UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, AT PURITA WE HAVE THE NARROW CURBSIDE.
SO IT'S A, A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW FOOT AND A HALF.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE IN TERMS OF BRANDING, YOU WANT ALL THE STATIONS TO BE ALIKE.
AND, UM, TRYING TO FIT A STRUCTURE INTO EVERY CONTEXT ALONG THE CORRIDOR, CERTAINLY WE WANTED TO DO THAT.
AND ALSO SPEAK TO THE FAMILY OF SHELTERS THAT WE HAVE ARE WHAT'S CALLED THE NEXT GEN SHELTER.
UM, THAT'S OUT ON THE STREETS CURRENTLY.
IT IS DESIGNED TO BE FAIRLY SLEEK, KIND OF INNOCUOUS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH TRANSPARENCY TO SEE WHAT'S BEHIND IT.
UM, I WOULD BRING UP AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S, UM, THE ONE WITH ON PURITA WITH THE SCHOOL AT BONUM.
'CAUSE THEY'VE MENTIONED THAT IN PARTICULAR, WHEN BONUM EXPANDED AND PUT ON THE NEW EDITION, THEY PUT ON A NEW MODERN EDITION.
UM, AND WE ARE PLACING OUR STATION RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE MODERN EDITION, UM, AT THE EX AT THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING STOP.
IT OFFERS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE AMOUNT OF CANOPY SPACE.
UM, THEY ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING THIS STOP TO, FOR PEDESTRIANS TO GO THROUGH THE STOP.
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DO THAT.THERE'S A, UH, I THINK THE ONE THAT FOLLOWS THIS, IT IS ONE MORE.
OH, BEFORE IT THE, FOR IT, UH, NO, IN THE, I'M SORRY.
WE'VE GOT THE EXISTING AND, UH, PURITA STATION HERE, WHICH HAS ABOUT 48 INCHES FROM THE FRONT OF THE BENCH TO, UM, THE BACK OF THE CURB.
AND IT'S GOT TWO PHOTOGRAPHS ON THAT IMAGE.
OR I CAN PROBABLY BRING IT UP.
THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO, UM, ONE'S THE LEFT ONE IS LOOKING NORTH OR RIGHT LOOKING SOUTH.
AND SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU'VE GOT 48 INCHES OF CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE BENCH AND THE BACK OF THE CURB.
ON THE NEW PLAN, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A PINCH POINT, UH, BACK THERE WITH A CANDY CANE LIGHT FIXTURE FOR MISSION TRAILS IS LOCATED OF FOUR FOOT, 4 52 INCHES.
SO AT ITS MOST NARROW POINT, THERE'S FOUR ADDITIONAL INCHES.
BUT THEN, UM, ON THE STATION ITSELF, WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS LOCATION, UM, THERE'LL BE MUCH MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE, UH, SEATING THAT IS PLANNED AND THE CURB.
SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE REALLY, UM, IN TRAVERSING ACROSS THIS BUS STOP AREAS, IT'LL BE MUCH CLEANER, UM, IN TERMS OF HAVING TO NAVIGATE OR MEANDER THROUGH THERE.
UM, THERE IS AN 11 INCH ELEVATION CHANGE FROM THE STREET GRADE TO THE PLATFORM.
SO THAT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE CURB, ROUGHLY FIVE INCHES TALLER THAN THE EXISTING CURB.
AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE THE, UM, FLOOR LEVEL BOARDING ONTO THE BUS.
SO WHEELCHAIRS WILL NOT HAVE TO HAVE A RAMP DEPLOYED ANYMORE.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ROLL RIGHT ON.
AND, UM, WE'VE MADE THAT COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, 88 ACCESSIBLE.
SO THE PLATFORM IS 50 FEET LONG.
UM, AND SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, TO, UM, RAMP UP AND DOWN APPROPRIATELY AT EACH END OF THE PLATFORM.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU WOULD DO NOW, ONLY YOU'RE RAMPING UP AT THE CORNER OF EACH BLOCK FACE.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WE CAN, UH, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT A, A 48 INCH CLEARANCE FROM THE FRONT OF THE BENCH TO THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK.
SO WHAT WILL THE NEW, WITH THE NEW PLAN, WHAT WILL THAT CLEARANCE BE? THAT IS THIS ONE HERE.
YEAH, AT THE LEFT SIDE, UH, THERE'S A, A, UM, WHAT IT SAYS ON THE BOTTOM ELEVATION, 6 44 0.04, RIGHT ABOVE THAT, THAT SQUARE IS THE NEW CANDY CANE LIGHT FIXTURE.
AND THAT 4.4, THAT'S THE PINCH POINT.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, SO AN EQUAL DIMENSION, APPLES FOR APPLES FROM THE BACK OF THE IS EIGHT AND FEET.
THEY'RE ABOUT EIGHT TO EIGHT AND A HALF FEET.
SO WE JUST A APPLES TO APPLES.
YOU, IT WAS, IT WAS 48 INCHES IT LOOKS LIKE FROM, IS THAT, THAT'S FROM THE BACK.
SO APPLES WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE BENCH.
SO WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE LOSING HERE? I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION.
UH, ARE WE LOSING OR ARE WE GAINING SPACE 16, 16 TO 18 INCH ON THE, SO JUST, UH, WE HAVE OUR ENGINEER HERE BORAL AT LEAST SEVEN FEET.
WELL, WE'RE GAINING SEVEN FEET TO CLEARANCE.
SO WE, UH, WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS WE PURCHASED RIGHT OF WAY FROM THE, UH, S-A-I-S-D FROM BON ACADEMY.
SO WE WE'RE ABLE TO PULL THAT, UH, EXISTING FENCE BACK SO THAT WE CAN ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE MORE DEPTH TO OUR PLATFORM SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SEATING, HAVE FOLKS BE ABLE TO BUY AT A, THEIR TICKET OR THEIR FARE AT THE TICKET VENDING MACHINE, ALL WHILE MAINTAINING, UH, PASSAGE, UH, BEHIND THOSE FOLKS, OR EVEN FOLKS THAT ARE IN A WHEELCHAIR MOBILITY DEVICE.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, ADDING DEPTH TO THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
ONE OF THE, UH, ITEMS CITED BY THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS A LACK OF SPACE.
AND SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, A PICTURE THAT SHOWED A 48 INCH CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE BENCH AND THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK.
AND I'M STILL, AND IT'S PROBABLY ME, NOT YOU GUYS, BUT I'M STILL WONDERING WHAT WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WAY THAT IT EXISTS NOW OR THE 48 INCH CLEARANCE FROM THE FRONT OF THE BENCH TO THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK TO WHAT THE NEW PLAN WILL BE WHEN PEOPLE ARE SITTING, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THE BENCHES ARE UP.
CAN YOU GUYS ANSWER THAT CORRECTLY? THE BENCHES THAT YOU SEE NOW WILL BE GOING AWAY, RIGHT? SO THE NEW SEATING IS, UM, THERE WILL BE A BENCH, RIGHT? A SEATING, NEW SEATING, YES.
AND FROM THE FRONT OF THAT TO THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK, WHAT WILL IT BE? THE, UM, EIGHT.
SO IF IT, IF IT'S EASIER, IF YOU CAN PICTURE THAT, THAT BENCH GETS
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PUSHED DEEPER BEHIND THE CURB BY ANOTHER TWO FEET OR SO, THAT'S HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL CLEARANCE THERE WOULD BE FROM THE FRONT OF THAT BENCH TO THE CURB.SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'LL WE'LL GAIN THREE FEET OF WALKING ROOM IN FRONT OF THE BENCHES BECAUSE OF THE YES, BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO, TO, WE BOUGHT LAND BEHIND THAT.
I'M, I'M ONLY AT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THERE'S PUSHBACK FROM THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION.
IT'S SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE SAYING THEY CON THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A PINCH POINT THERE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IS THERE'S GOING TO BE LESS OF A PINCH POINT THAT WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FLESH THAT OUT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
WELL, I GUESS JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT QUESTION, NOWADAYS, YOU SAID YOU PURCHASED LAND.
SO THE CURRENT FENCE LINE THAT SCHOOL HAS IS NOW GONNA BE MOVED.
SO THE, THE EXISTING FENCE LINE, UH, IS GOING TO BE PUSHED BACK INTO THEIR PROPERTY? YEAH.
I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY ANSWERS A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE FRONT OF THE CURB TO THE NEW FENCE LINE IS GONNA BE CLOSER TO 10 FEET.
AND THEN, UM, THAT HAPPENS TO ON, NOT ON WOODLAWN BECAUSE YOU ALREADY, OR ED, I THINK IT'S AMPED.
ONE WHERE YOU'RE REDOING A WALL, YOU'RE MOVING THAT WALL FURTHER BACK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING HERE AT THIS LOCATION IS WE'RE, WE'RE TECHNICALLY WIDENING SAN PEDRO TO THE WEST TOWARDS THE, UH, WHAT'S CALLED THE BANANAS, BANANA BILLIARDS THERE TODAY, BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO WIDEN IT, UH, A BIT TO THE, TO THE WEST, WE'RE ABLE TO, WE, WE FELT SUFFICIENT SPACE EXISTED THERE BETWEEN THE EXISTING WALL AND THE FRONT OF CURB THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PLACE, UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING A SMALLER SHELTER, A SMALLER STATION DESIGN THERE, THE DEPTH OF THAT SMALLER STATION IS EIGHT FEET, AND THAT, THAT FITS WITHIN THAT EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT THE WALL IS BEING MOVED? NO, THE WALL IS STAYING WHERE IT'S AT TODAY.
AND THEN WHAT ABOUT, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE THE WALL WAS GONNA BE MOVED.
THE, THE WALL AT ELSE SMEAR IS ALREADY IN PLACE AND WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT WALL.
WE, ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WE DID WAS WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY OR WE HAVE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THAT WALL AND THE FACE OF KURT.
SO WE'VE ALSO, UH, OUR PLAN IS TO, UH, PAY THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE, UH, FOR THAT WALL.
SO OUR CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHING THE WALL AND THEN REBUILDING IT BEHIND.
WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PUSHING THAT WALL BACK SO THAT OUR PLATFORM CAN GO IN FRONT OF IT.
IS THAT ROCK WALL, RIGHT? THE, THE, YEAH.
ARE THERE ANY STIPULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO REBUILD AS IT WAS, OR IS IT JUST AN ASSUMPTION? I GUESS IT'S FOR STAFF.
IS IT NOT HISTORIC? IT'S THE NEXT, NEXT SLIDE.
SLIDE 70, I THINK YOU WERE, GO BACK ON IT.
SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? IS THERE ANY STIPULATION THAT THAT WALL HAS TO BE REBUILT AS IS? OR IS THAT AN ASSUMPTION? IS IT YOUR IT'S AN ASSUMPTION.
I, I WILL SAY, SO WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY DEPARTMENT, 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE PULLING RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS.
ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IN THAT RIGHT OF PERMIT IS THAT WE REBUILD, UH, TO, TO ESSENTIALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE PUT THAT EXISTING CONDITION BACK IN PLACE.
SO OUR PLAN, AND IT'S ALREADY INCLUDED IN OUR DESIGN PLANS, IS TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE CONTRACTOR REBUILD THAT WALL.
AS YOU SEE IT THERE, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE PUSHING IT BACK.
UH, BUT OTHERWISE WE WOULD BE OUR JOB.
OUR, UH, OUR GOAL IS TO REUSE THAT MATERIAL AND REBUILD THE WALL BEHIND IT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MADMAN? YES.
UH, BACK TO BONHAM ELEMENTARY.
UH, STOP THE, THIS IS AN EXISTING STOP, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
I'M, I'M WONDERING, WERE Y'ALL PART OF THE CONVERSATION WITH THE, THE ARCHITECTURE ADVISORY COMMITTEE? THE KING WILLIAM? WERE, WERE YOU IN THERE? BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THAT IN THEIR LETTER AND IN THEIR VOICEMAIL, THE PERCEIVED NEED FOR A STOP, BUT THERE'S ALREADY A STOP THERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEIR LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THEY ALSO TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK BECOMING A BUS STOP.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S EXISTING STOP.
SO MAY MAYBE MY, MAYBE POSSIBLY THEIR CONCERN IS THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE TAKEOVER IS, IS THERE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUS STOP, YOU KNOW, LEFT TO RIGHT, HOW MUCH MORE SPACE IS THE NEW STOP TAKING UP COMPARED TO THE EXISTING STOP? DOES THAT QUESTION MAKE SENSE? THE, THE FOOTPRINT.
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THE FOOTPRINT, YEAH.THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STOP.
I'M TRYING TO JUST SEE IF THEIR CONCERN IS JUST A OVERALL FOOTPRINT IS MAYBE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT STOP, OR, OR, AND IT IS THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF SHELTER SPACE IS INCREASING.
AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH THEM, WHAT WERE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT RESULT OF INJURY AND DEATH? WHAT THEY NOTE IN THE LETTER FOR A BUS STOP VERSUS AN EXISTING BUS STOP AND WHAT THE SAFETY CONCERNS OF AN EXISTING BUS STOP WOULD BE? SURE.
WELL, WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE THE ADDITIONAL FEATURE OF THE WARNING STRIP THAT'S, UM, AT BACK OF CURB, WHICH IS MUCH MORE, UH, VISIBLE THAN THE, THAN THE BRICKWORK THAT'S THERE NOW.
UM, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF THEIR CONCERN IS MAYBE THERE'S MORE FOOT TRAFFIC THERE BECAUSE IT'S A GREEN LINE STOP, OR, OR I, I, I PERSONALLY AM AM NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A EXISTING BUS STOP AND A NEW BUS STOP OTHER THAN MORE POSSIBLE TRAFFIC AT THAT STOP VERSUS CURRENTLY YEAH.
WELL, WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU THERE IS BECAUSE FOLKS, THAT'S THE PURPOSE.
FOLKS USE THE STOP AND THERE IS MORE LINEAR SPACE PARALLEL TO THE CURB MM-HMM
UM, SO, SO IT COULD JUST BE MORE OCCUPIED AND SO YEAH.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S FAIRLY A MEANDERING PATH TO TRAVERSE THROUGH THE STOP, AND THIS WILL BE A MUCH MORE LINEAR PASSAGEWAY, EVEN WITH PEOPLE LEANING, UM, OR, OR SEATING THERE.
AND INSTEAD OF THIS STOP, WHERE WAS THE NEAREST OPTION FOR A GREEN LINE STOP TO BE INSTEAD OF IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL? SO THE, SO WE, WE ACTUALLY LOOKED ALL THE WAY FROM ABOUT THE LOCATION THAT IT'S AT TODAY.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE USE THAT POINT AS THE LIMIT BECAUSE THERE IS BUS LOADING JUST NORTH OF THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS BASICALLY FROM THE, THE CORNER PURITA THERE IN FRONT OF THE FAMILY DOLLAR ALL THE WAY TO THAT SPOT THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE.
SINCE THAT PRIVATE RESIDENCE, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE WIPING OUT THE, THE ONLY DRIVEWAY AND THEN, UH, THE, AND THEN IN FRONT OF THE FAMILY DOLLAR, YOU'D ESSENTIALLY BE WIPING OUT ALL THE PARKING, BUT A BLOCK DOWN.
SO THE, UH, SO OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP, SO YOU'LL SEE THE, THE STATION OF DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IS TO, TO KEEP THE STOPS CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER.
AND AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE CROSSWALKS, TO SIGNALIZE CROSSWALKS.
UM, MR. CHAIR, JUST A QUICK NOTE.
UM, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION HERE.
IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FOR THE ASSOCIATION ABOUT THEIR COMMENTS, UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THOSE.
UM, AND I'LL ALSO NOTE WE HAVE ANOTHER GENTLEMAN, UM, THAT IS ATTENDING THE HEARING BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN FOR THIS CASE.
AND HE WAS TOO LATE TO SIGN IN TO SPEAK.
AND SO WE HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION HAS CLOSED.
UM, BUT AS CHAIR YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL UP ANY SPEAKERS.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM YEAH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO HEAR AT LEAST FROM, UH, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION.
CAN YOU HAVE A SEAT PLEASE? PLEASE STEP UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I'LL ASK THE PRESIDENT OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION.
WROTE THE LETTER, UH, WAS PARTICIPATING IN THE AUGUST CONFERENCE WHERE WE HAD, UH, SIGNIFICANT CONCERN.
IT'S BEEN OUTLINED THAT YOU HAVE 48 INCHES FROM A BENCH TO A CURB.
UM, IT WAS DESCRIBED THAT THE BUS STOP IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ELEVATED AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE RAILINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE CORRALLING AS OPPOSED TO NOW WHERE IT'S RELATIVELY WIDE OPEN SPACE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY EVEN, EVEN GO BEHIND THE BENCH.
UM, AS OPPOSED TO THIS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE FEELING THE ASCENT INTO A BUS STOP, WHICH IS THE ONLY OPTION UNLESS YOU PHYSICALLY WALK INTO THE STREET.
SO IF YOU DON'T GO WITH THE, THE HANDRAILS AND YOU GO INTO THE STREET TO NOT GO UP TO THE BUS STOP, THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND GET AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE.
THIS IS IN FRONT OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE WITH CHILDREN.
UH, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN CERTAINLY THINK AND HOPE THAT IT GOES IN THE APPROPRIATE WAY.
WHEN YOU DO HAVE THE RELATIVE FORCING INTO THIS FOUR FOOT, FOUR INCH WIDE GAP THAT IS GOING TO ASCEND UP TO A BUS STOP, I CAN EASILY SEE PEOPLE WANTING TO AVOID THAT, IN WHICH CASE IT'S GOING TO BE OUT TO THE STREET.
AND SINCE YOU HAVE AN 11 INCH FROM STREET UP TO THAT HEIGHT, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE CERTAINLY, UH, MORE DIFFICULT TO HAVE WHAT FREQUENTLY HAPPENS NOW WHERE YOU HOP BACK ON AND OFF.
SO THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT CONCERN, UM, THAT YOU
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ARE OBSTRUCTING IT ENTIRELY WITH A BUS STOP.THE BUS STOP ITSELF IS GONNA BE MUCH WIDER UP AT THE TOP, YOU'RE PHYSICALLY GOING INTO A BUS STOP.
SO THAT'S THE CONCERN AS WELL AS THE APPEARANCES, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S A BUS STOP THERE NOW, WHICH LOOKS TERRIFIC.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT BETTER.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION CONCERNING WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
SO SINCE THE CURRENT BUS STOP IS THERE, AND YOU HAVE THE 48 INCHES FROM THE FRONT OF THE BENCH TO THE, UM, BACK OF THE CURB, AND NOW WITH THE NEW PROPOSED BUS STOP, UM, WE'RE INCREASING BASICALLY THE, THE FOOTPRINT MAKING IT BIGGER.
UM, BIGGER BUS STOP IS BIGGER, IT'S A BIGGER PRESENCE, BIGGER PRESENT.
UM, NOW YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE RAILINGS BEING IN PLACE AND THE, UM, PEDESTRIANS, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO AVOID THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, BASIC SAID, GOING TO THE STREET, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, AS THEY COULD JUST SURGE THROUGH, THEY CAN EVEN GO BEHIND THE BUS STOP.
UH, THERE'S A LITTLE GRASS STRIP THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET BEHIND IT.
UH, OR THEY CAN JUST CROWD INTO IT AND THEN JUST SORT OF SQUEEZE AT THE BENCH MOMENT AND SQUEEZE BACK OUT AS OPPOSED TO NOW WHERE THE CENTER BUS STOP IS GONNA BE NICE AND WIDE, BUT THE ENTRANCE POINTS FOUR SIDEWALK ARE GOING TO TERMINATE GOING INTO A BUS STOP.
AND THAT IS RESTRICTED BY THE FOUR FOOT, FOUR INCH, UH, WIDTH OF THE RAILINGS.
I DUNNO HOW HIGH THE RAILINGS ARE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? YES.
I HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR, FOR VIA AND, UM, I READ IN THE CASE THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BA UM, BAFFLE BOARDS OR SCREENING BOARDS.
ONE IS AN INFORMATIONAL SIGNAGE BOARD AND THE OTHER IS AN ART BOARD.
AND I'M READING THAT THE ART WAS GATHERED, UM, FROM A NUMBER OF SCHOOLCHILDREN WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE STOP.
AND I COULD SEE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOR THE OTHER 20 FOR THE ENTIRE PACKAGE, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS UNIFORM, I COULD SEE USING THAT ARTWORK FOR THAT FOR MOST OF THE STOPS.
BUT HERE WE'RE IN THREE SEPARATE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT HAVE DEFINED CHARACTER, THAT HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF CONTRIBUTING ELEMENTS AND GRAPHICS AND HISTORIES TO BE USED IN THE ART PANEL.
WHY WOULD YOU NOT DRAW FROM THOSE HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR THE ART PANEL MINIMALLY TO REFLECT THE SENSE OF PLACE, RATHER THAN HAVING THIS VERY UNIVERSAL, UM, UH, KIT OF PARTS AND PLACES THAT FURTHER CREATE, YOU KNOW, A SENSE OF ANYWHERE USA WE'RE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE, UM, CHARACTER-WISE ON THE STOP.
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO AT LEAST HAVE A GRAPHIC PANEL? SO THE, WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE WERE GONNA ADDRESS THE, OUR ART AND TRANSIT, UH, COMPONENT OF THE, OF THE STATIONS, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE BEST TO IDENTIFY THE SCHOOL CHILDREN THAT LIVE, UH, NEAR OR ATTEND THE SCHOOL NEAR THOSE STATIONS.
SO AN EXAMPLE IS THE BONHAM ACADEMY STATIONS.
THEY'LL HAVE ARTWORK MADE BY THE BONHAM ACADEMY STUDENTS.
THEY'RE NEAR, UM, OH, THEY'RE MULBERRY MARK TWAIN.
THOSE, THAT ARTWORK WOULD BE MADE BY MARK TWAIN STUDENTS.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST WAY TO COHESIVELY BRING THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR TOGETHER USING THE ARTWORK OF THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'LL BE USING IT.
SO BASED ON WHAT ARE THE MOVES THAT YOU'RE MAKING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE SHELTER, THEN THAT REFLECT THE RESPECTIVE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO WHAT WE DID DO IS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE COLORS.
UH, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE CHANGING IS THE COLOR OF THE STATION THERE AT THAT, THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.
UH, THE COMMUNITY OR THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS CASE REQUESTED IT TO BE SILVER.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WITH THAT COLOR.
WHAT WE ARE DOING TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT JUST HISTORIC, BUT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS IS IN THE, UH, INFORMATIONAL SIGNS.
THERE WOULD BE REFERENCE TO THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, AN AREA MAP, UM, UH, KEY POINTS OF INTEREST, THINGS LIKE THAT WITHIN THE INFORMATIONAL SIGNS ALONG THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
BUT NOTHING ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT WISE OR ARTISTICALLY ON THE ART PANEL.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS UNIFORM AS POSSIBLE, UH, ALONG THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
AND I GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION, WOULD IT BE IMPOSSIBLE TO, UH, REDESIGN OR MODIFY THE DESIGN TO BETTER REFLECT RESPECTIVE HISTORIC DISTRICTS? SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE WOULD ENTERTAIN FOR SURE IS THE COLOR OF THE, OF THE STATION, AS WELL AS, UH, AS LONG AS IT MET OUR COLOR PALETTE, WE HAVE OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WHAT WE DO WITH THE INFORMATIONAL
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SIGN, OTHERWISE, AS IT COMES WITH, AS REGARD REGARDING THE ACTUAL DESIGN.NO, RIGHT NOW WE ARE SET ON, ON THE DESIGN AND, AND HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD FOR THE, THE COURT ORDER.
WAS THERE NOT ANOTHER PERSON THAT WANTED TO SPEAK? IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR TO RECOGNIZE HIM.
I, I DON'T, HE, I DON'T HAVE HIS INFORMATION.
UM, I, I WILL BRING THE SPEAK UP A A MOMENT, BUT LEMME JUST FINISH MY QUESTION AND THEN YOU CAN INTERRUPT ME.
COMMISSIONER GR UH, IS IT POSSIBLE AGAIN, I WANT, I WANNA FOCUS ON, UH, THE, THE DESIGN ENHANCEMENTS HERE.
COMMISSIONER SINO MADE A GOOD POINT, AND WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE ROUTE ID FLAG, THE CANOPY, THE FIXED WINDSCREEN, THE VERTICAL WINDSCREEN, UH, THE EXPOSED AGGREGATE FINISH.
CAN ALL THAT STUFF BE MODIFIED FOR THE HISTORIC STOPS OR THE STOPS THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS TO BETTER REFLECT, UH, THE CHARACTER OF, UH, EACH STOP IN THOSE DISTRICTS? I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE UNIFORM TO ALL THE STOPS.
I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF KEEP YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BRANDING WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH COLOR AND STYLE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF MODIFY IT TO, TO REFLECT, UH, UH, THE COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY THAT THESE UH, STOPS ARE IN.
CAN YOU DO THAT? SO, SO AS I WAS MENTIONING RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO CHANGE IS THE COLOR, UH, OF THE, OF THE ACTUAL STATION ITSELF, UH, AS WELL AS THE COLOR OF THE ART PANELS THAT ARE GONNA BE PLACED ON THERE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE ARTWORK OR THE ACTUAL DESIGN ITSELF.
UM, THE PERSON, UM, CAN YOU HAVE A SEAT, PLEASE? WHO WAS THE OTHER PERSON I WANTED TO SPEAK, SIR? ON THIRD ROW, SIR.
SO AS YOU'RE COMING UP, SIR, UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME, PLEASE BEFORE YOU START.
SO, UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT STOP'S BEING DESIGNED, BUT WE'VE NOT BEEN APPROACHED BY ANYONE FROM VIA REGARDING OUR PROPERTY AT 24 0 2 SAN PEDRO.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S ALREADY A STOP THAT'S THERE THAT HAD BEEN MAYBE PARTIALLY RETIRED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARILY USED.
WE SUPPORT VIAS EFFORTS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE JUST LEARNING OF THIS HEARING, UH, JUST TWO DAYS AGO OR SO.
SO WE'RE REALLY UNAWARE OF EXACTLY WHAT THE PLANS ARE.
SOMEONE BRIEFLY CLICKED OVER AND SHOWED A PHOTO, I THINK, OF 24 0 2 SAN PEDRO, IF YOU CAN FIND THAT AND BRING THAT UP.
THIS WILL BE MY ACTUAL FIRST TIME TO SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
UH, WHEN YOU CLICK POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR, UM, CAN THE WITNESS IDENTIFY HIMSELF AND HIS ASSOCIATION? HE'S REFERRING TO A WE, SO I'M THE OWNER OF SUMMIT LEGACY GROUP.
MY BUSINESS PARTNER COULD NOT ATTEND TODAY.
SO WE ARE THE OWNERS OF 24 0 2 SAN PEDRO.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE OWN SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE HAVE BOTH A PROPERTY OWNER, UH, PERSPECTIVE AND A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE AS WELL.
I THINK MONICA, YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE MADE A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT DESIGNING THESE STOPS, SUCH THAT THEY REPRESENT EACH OF THE, UM, VARIOUS, UM, IDEAS THAT EACH HISTORIC DISTRICT OR WHATEVER DISTRICT THEY'RE IN REPRESENT MONTE VISTA, SORT OF ITS OWN LITTLE FUN PLACE TO, TO BE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT USING ART FROM, UH, CHILDREN AT A SCHOOL THAT'S FURTHER SOUTH WOULD NECESSARILY BE APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE.
WE'LL LET THOSE PEOPLE MAKE THAT DECISION.
BUT I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY HERE IS FROM THE MONO HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION IF THEY'RE ONLINE.
I'M SURPRISED THAT THE ROOM IS AS EMPTY AS IT IS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS VIA TRANSIT CORRIDOR HAS BEEN A, A PRETTY BIG IMPORTANT SITUATION THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, PARTICULARLY CONCERNS OF TRAFFIC.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN ELEVATION OF SORTS SO WE CAN SEE THE DESIGN OF THAT? SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT ONE.
SO
UM, THIS DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN WITH, UH, THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AT ALL.
UH, I DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE TOO MUCH ISSUE WITH THE LOCATION.
YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT THERE'S AN, UH, EXISTING ROCK WALLS WHERE I THINK THERE WAS A, AN OLD BUS STOP AT AT SOME POINT.
UH, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THE DEPTHS OF THIS.
AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T BEEN APPROACHED BY ANYONE AT VIA, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS RAISED, UH, JUST AS YOU DESCRIBED THE OTHER ONE.
SO I WOULD SHARE THIS GENTLEMAN'S CONCERN.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC ALONG HERE.
I THINK CREATING A A RAISED PLATFORM IS GONNA CREATE A, A CHOKE HOLD, UM, THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO UP AND THEN DOWN AND WHATNOT.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, I'M, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU FOR A MOMENT.
'CAUSE THERE, RIGHT NOW YOU'RE GETTING INTO CONVERSATION SOMEONE ALREADY MADE.
SO WE'RE USING, LEMME JUST A COUPLE MINUTES.
SO IF YOU CAN WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, THAT'D BE GREAT.
WELL, I THINK ESSENTIALLY I'VE KIND OF HIT SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE TOUCHING ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
WE SHARE THAT I THINK IT SHOULD FIT
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IN THE, THE DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT MORE.I THINK HAVING RAISED PLATFORMS IS, UM, NOT NECESSARY.
I THINK THERE'S BUSES THAT ALREADY HAVE, UM, SOME SORT OF FEATURES THAT ACCOMMODATE THOSE WHO ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IT SHOULD REPRESENT, UH, MONTE VISTA.
I'D LIKE VIA TO TALK DIRECTLY WITH PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEY'RE GONNA ENCROACH ON THE PROPERTY OR DO ANY CONSTRUCTION WHATSOEVER, PARTICULARLY AS IT MIGHT TOUCH ON OUR SYSTEMS IRRIGATIONS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST ASK THEM FOR CONSIDERATION ALONG THOSE LINES.
UM, HAD A, A ROBUST QUESTION SESSION.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? UM, I'M A, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER REQUESTED NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDED STIPULATIONS TO RECONSTRUCT, UH, HISTORIC RETAINING WALLS TO THEIR HISTORIC APPEARANCE AND CONFIGURATION.
AND ANOTHER STIPULATION TO REQUIRE THAT, UH, THE ART PANEL ARTWORK, UM, REFLECT, BE A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE RESPECTIVE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SECOND, SPEND MORE THAN PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THE MOTION? 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ITEM, SO I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING WHY SHE WAS ITEM 1, 2, 3, 5.
UM, THE ITEMS ARE AS LISTED IN SECTION C UNDER FINDINGS.
THE INDIVIDUAL STOPS ARE LISTED THERE AS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.
AND MY MOTION INCLUDES 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX.
SO THE MOTION IS TO NOT THE, NOT THE APPLICATION, BUT JUST, UH, INDIVIDUAL STATIONS.
YEAH, I MEAN, THE OUTCOME WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY DENIAL OF THE STATION OF THE DESIGN FOR THAT STATION ON ST.
IS THAT THE INTENT? UM, I THINK SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION IS VIA WILL ASK ME WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE ARTWORK TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE YOU WANNA INCLUDE IN THE STIPULATION, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
WELL THEN I WOULD LIKE TO RETRACT THAT MOTION IF IT'S TOO COMPLICATED, UM, AND REPLACE IT WITH A REQUEST FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME TO A DRC AT THE NEXT AND MOVE THEN PROBABLY A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES AT HAND.
THE SAFETY ALONG PEDA OR, UM, YEAH, PEDA IN SOUTH ALAMO, UM, IS, IS KEY.
IT IS COUNTER TO EXPECT AN INCREASE OF TRAFFIC AND ACTIVITY AND FREQUENCY OF UNITS PICKING UP AND NOT REALLY ACCOMMODATE THEM ADEQUATELY, SPATIALLY.
AND I THINK, LET ME FINISH, SIR.
UM, UH, ESPECIALLY NEAR AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I THINK SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT.
AND WE KNOW WHAT KIDS DO AT, AT, UM, BUS STOPS, WE ALL KNOW.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION TO BE HAD AS WELL AS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE HISTORIC NATURE AND THE ELEMENTS.
I'VE BEEN A PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AND MEETINGS WITH THE SILVER LINE AND I'VE EXPRESSED A REAL CONCERN ABOUT THESE STATIONS OR FACILITIES BEING PLACED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND HAVE BEEN TOLD, YES, WE'LL DO, YES, THESE WILL, UM, COMPLY WITH THE, THE GUIDELINES AND WILL BE HISTORIC OR WHATEVER.
AND I, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IF I, IF I MAY.
SO, UM, POINT OF BOARD CHAIR, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.
SO THAT'S THE BASIS, IT'S THE, HOW IT REFLECTS THE CHARACTER AS WELL AS THE SAFETY AND UM, I GUESS THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE FACILITY ON PARADE AS IT REFLECTS, UM, THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND, AND I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE MOTION.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT IN THE PRESENTATION WAS I'M NOT AGAINST THE STATIONS.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS SO MUCH ON THE ART, BUT WE CAN GO MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A FINE LINE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ALSO WANT THE SAFETY OF OUR WHEELCHAIR USERS AND A DA AND THE NEW BUSES ARE TALLER.
AND SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME COMPLIANCE THERE.
SO I THINK A DRC IS A GOOD IDEA, AND I WOULD PLEASE ASK THE APPLICANT TO
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FIRST IS ALSO THERE SAYS THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN JULY AND AUGUST OF 2025, WHICH IS SIX MONTHS AGO.SO MAYBE THAT SURPRISED YOU THAT IT'S NOW, BUT IT WAS SIX MONTHS AGO.
SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE MORE WITH THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN SECOND, IF THAT DRC, IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE US VISUALIZE MUCH MORE, HOW DOES THE, I THINK IN ALL THESE BUS STATIONS, ALL THE CONCERNS.
AND THEN THIS IS DISCUSSION FOR US.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU FEEDBACK FOR THE DRC TO BRING, NOT TO BRING FORWARD TODAY IS HOW MUCH IS THERE SPACE BEHIND? DO YOU NEED TO BUY MORE LAND? DO YOU NEED TO MOVE WALLS MORE TO CREATE THAT PER LIKE PATH SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO UP A RAMP AND DOWN, I, I ACCEPT THAT WHEELCHAIRS THE ACCESSIBILITY, BUT THE SAFETY OF THE STREET.
YES, KING WILLIAM IS VERY SPECIAL BECAUSE IT'S A VERY NARROW ONE.
SO IT'S ALREADY HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC EVERY DAY, ALL THE TIME.
SO THERE YOU ALSO MAYBE ALSO INCREASING THE FOOT TRAFFIC AND IT'S ALSO KIND OF A SPECIAL PART OF THE STREET 'CAUSE OF FIRST FRIDAY, AND THERE'S PEOPLE WALKING AND A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, MAYBE MORE THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE CONSIDERATION THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IN THE DRC.
UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF E EMPHASIZE WHAT COMMISSIONER GRU AND COMMISSIONER MONINA JUST SAID ADDITIONALLY.
UM, I DON'T ACCEPT THAT JUST CHANGING THE COLOR IS THE ONLY DESIGN CHANGE YOU CAN DO.
I MEAN, THIS THING IS, IS IS NOWHERE NEAR BEING BUILT OR STARTED AND, AND NOT, NOT BEING ABLE TO DO SOMETHING AND NOT WANTING TO DO SOMETHING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I THINK IN ALL THESE STOPS YOU ARE GONNA HAVE TO RE-LOOK AT, UH, COMING WITH SOME DESIGN CHANGES, MINOR DESIGN CHANGES THAT CUSTOMIZE EACH STOP THAT'S IN HISTORIC DISTRICT TO THE SURROUNDING ELEMENTS AROUND IT.
NOPE, I, I THOUGHT THERE WAS GONNA BE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, AND MA'AM, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
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CAN WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT PLEASE? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 3 28 9 0 1 NORTH ALAMO STREET.THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN EXTERIOR STAIRWAY TO CONNECT AT THE WRAPAROUND PORCHES.
NORTHEAST STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY STAIRWAY BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE LOCATION BE MOVED TO THE NORTH RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION INSTEAD OF THE FRONT PRIMARY ELEVATION.
THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH OHB STAFF AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT REGARDING THIS AND OTHER ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS THAT MINIMALLY IMPACT THE FRONT FACADE.
THE APPLICANT'S HERE VIRTUALLY.
UM, WADE, CAN YOU HEAR US? AND HELLO? YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, I WILL, UH, GO THROUGH THE PHOTOS YOU'VE PROVIDED EARLIER AS WELL AS THE, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT WERE UPLOADED AS PART OF OUR AGENDA.
UH, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR CASE, UM, AND COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AFTERWARDS.
UH, THE, UH, ISSUE AT HAND RIGHT NOW IS, UH, WE RECEIVE OUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
UH, THE PLANS HAS APPROVED, UH, FOR THE STAIR 60 30, UH, WITH THIS, WHICH IS THE ENCLO STAIRCASE THAT IS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, WHEN WE FIRST DEVELOP, UH, APPROPRIATENESS, WE WENT AHEAD AND, AND, UH, PERMITTED THE BUILDING, UH, UH, DEVELOP THE COURSE.
UH, WE HAD TO MAKE SEVERAL REVISIONS, UH, BY THE NINTH REVISION.
UH, THE BILL LOADING ACCEPTS IT FOR SECONDARY STAIRS, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH NEEDS TO MEET A MINIMUM OF HALF THE DISTANCE OF THE DIAGONAL DISTANCE OF THE, UH, ENTIRE PARK, UH, UH, BUILDING.
SO WE FOUND THAT THIS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE, UM, AND IT MEETS OUR NEED.
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WE DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF THE AESTHETICS OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE OUTSIDE.WE KNOW THAT IT MAY NOT BE CONFORMING WITH THE, UM, WELL, AT THE TIME.
UM, WHAT I DID NOT KNOW WAS THAT I HAD TO GO BACK TO THE HISTORICAL MISSION AND GET THIS APPROVED.
WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT MANY OTHER, UH, OPTIONS.
UH, THE, EVEN THE OPTIONS FOR THE NORTH SIDE, THE EGRESS MAP IS ONLY SIX FOOT WIDE AT SEVEN FEET, UH, BEYOND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
TWO, UH, WHICH IS THAT, THAT YELLOW BUILDING YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS A 1500 DEGREES STRAP WITH TWO LIDS AND MULTIPLE CLEAN OUTS.
OUR INTENTION RIGHT THERE FROM SEVEN FEET TO 10 FEET DEEP, WE WOULD, UH, HAVE A LANDSCAPE AREA TO COVER THAT UP.
UM, UH, MOVING ON RIGHT AROUND SEPTEMBER, WE HAD A VIOLATION NOTICE.
UH, WE DIDN'T EXPECT THAT THE STAIRS WOULD BE A A PROBLEM.
UH, WE ARE WORKING WITH BRIAN TO, UH, GET THIS FIXED AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED PLANS FOR APPROVAL.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, BUT, UH, BUILDING RIGHT NOW AND FIRE IS HAVING PROBLEMS FROM THE, THAT IS THAT THE STAIRS NEEDS TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE ONE HOUR FIRE ROUND HALL THAT WOULD PUT OUR LANDING IN THE, UH, PICKLEBALL COURT.
UH, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO LOSE A PICKLEBALL, UH, UH, ENTIRE PICKLEBALL COURT, WHICH, WHICH WE HAVE, WE HAVE SWITCHED IT FROM NORTH AND SOUTH.
THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FOR OR LENGTH OF THAT IS 60 FOOT.
THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH, UH, OF THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE IS 67.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO FIT TWO PICKLEBALL CORD BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO TURN IT SIDE USE.
UH, THE WIDTH OF EACH PICKLEBALL CORD IS 20 FEET, SO THAT IS 40 FEET MINIMUM.
UM, BECAUSE OUR EGRESS IS SIX FOOT, SO WE HAVE 46 MINUS, UH, 67 I BELIEVE, WHICH GIVES US 21 FEET DEEP, WHICH DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR WHERE THE BENCH IS BETWEEN, UH, TWO PICKLEBALL COURT AND THE SIDE.
WE NEED A MINIMUM OF FIVE ON THE SIDES AND, UH, EIGHT TO 10 FEET.
AND WE SQUEEZE AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE STAIRS.
AND EVEN WHEN WE DID THAT, UH, THAT PUTS FOR NEW ADDRESS FROM, UH, UH, FOUR FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING TO, UH, EIGHT OR 10 FEET.
AND THAT PUTS US RIGHT INTO WHERE THE GREASE STRAP IS.
THE LID ON THE GREASE STRAP RIGHT NOW IS APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET, UH, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT THREE FEET, UH, THREE INCHES ABOVE.
AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK SOMEHOW TO RETURN OR, OR, OR, OR EGRESS THAT SIDE TO MAKE IT WORK.
BUT THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE STAIRS NEEDS TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING TO MEET THE, AND, UH, AND LIKE I MENTIONED, THAT WOULD PUT US RIGHT ON THE PICKLEBALL BOARD ON THE SIDE.
AND, UH, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO.
SO THEREFORE, UM, GOING BACK TO WHERE THE STAIRS IS LOCATED RIGHT NOW, UM, I DO BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE, UM, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT TO HOW CAN WE MOVE IT OUT TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, HISTORIC, HISTORICALLY, THE, THE HISTORICAL FACT THAT, UH, THE PORCH, UM, IT DOESN'T IMPEDE THE LOOKS OF IT.
UH, LOOKING AT THAT, WE ALSO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A, A A A 10 FOOT EASEMENT, WHERE BUILDING STRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WE WILL RUN INTO.
UH, I AM ASKING THE NEW COMMITTEE TODAY IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN LEAVE THAT THERE.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT DOES TAKE AWAY FROM THE LOOKS OF, UH, THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR THE 12 FOOT FENCE LINE THAT IS ON THE PICKLE BALL SIDE.
UH, THERE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT I HAVE, UH, MADE, UH, AND PLEASE EXCUSE MY RENDERING.
UM, AS I'M SEEING, UH, ALL THESE PROFESSIONAL WORK, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET, UH, THAT, THAT WHERE THE NEW FENCING IS APPROVED, WHICH WILL HIDE A STRUCTURE, UM, UH, OF, OF THE, UM, THE STAIRS.
UM, I DO NOT SEE THAT BEING A PROBLEM, UM, STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK HERE.
UH, AND AS YOU MOVE THROUGH SOME OF THESE PHOTOS, OTHER PHOTOS, YOU MAY BE
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ABLE TO SEE THE TOP REMINISCENCE OF IT.THIS IS A PICTURE SENT ACROSS THE STREET, UH, AND BEHIND SENDING IS AN ELECTRIC STATION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, I DON'T THINK, UH, IT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
UH, AND THEN THERE ARE THE PICTURES THAT I'VE TAKEN.
WE ADD SOME OF THE IMAGES THAT YOU SUBMITTED, UM, THEY, THEY WON'T SHOW.
BUT, UM, I CAN GO THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE ON THE FILE.
WADE, YOU'LL HAVE TO UNMUTE AGAIN.
I I MUTED YOU WHILE BRIAN WAS TALKING.
UH, THAT IS, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT IS THE FENCE.
SO IF WE ADDED ANOTHER SIX FEET, UH, TO THAT, THAT, THAT FENCE, THIS IS ON THE, UH, THE NINTH SIDE, UM, IN WHICH WE INTEND TO KEEP THAT STRUCTURE.
THE, FOR THE REASON THAT IT'S ONE, IT'S A BAR.
AND THEN WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVEN BREAKINS IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.
AND SO WE'D LIKE TO READ THOSE STRUCTURES.
UH, WE CAN ONLY HAVE FIVE FEET AT THE FRONT.
UM, AND SO, UH, BUT THIS IS NOT THE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE, WE, WE TRIED TO DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL, UH, LOOKS OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, GIMME JUST, UM, UM, YES, RIGHT NOW I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, MY WHOLE, WELL, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS WHAT THE EXISTING, UH, WELL, THE BEFORE A BUILDING, UH, LOOKED LIKE, LIKE, AND, UH, SO, UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I'M ASKING THE COMMITTEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN FIND IT, THAT WE'VE DONE OUR DILIGENCE, UM, THE CURRENT STAIRS AFTER NUMEROUS REVISION HAS PASSED FOR BUILDING SAFETY, FOR BUILDING WITH THE BILLING REVIEWER AND THE FIRE HAS, UH, AND IT HAS COMPLIED WITH FIRE CASE.
AND, UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S ALREADY WORKED, UH, IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL IF WE CAN KEEP IT RIGHT THERE.
I SECOND CONCLUDE YOUR PRE YES SIR.
UM, SO WE HAVE A VO, UM, NO VOICE FOR THIS ONE WITH ON THIS, ON NEXT ONE.
SO I'M GONNA ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
I'M GONNA GO WITH OUR VIRTUAL APPLICANTS FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GO IN ORDER FROM MY LEFT TO RIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR.
NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER.
UM, SIR, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, UH, STAFF, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 22? SO AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT IN YOUR STIPULATION YOU WANT THE STAIRS ON THAT WALL THAT'S FACING THE NORTH RIGHT WHERE THE TWO WINDOWS ARE? THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED, UM, UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND WAS WILLING TO, UM, AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATION ON THAT.
UH, SO THE STAIRWAY WOULD CONNECT HERE AT THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BALCONY AND THEN IT WOULD GO DOWN, UM, TO THE WEST.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS NOTING, SAYING THAT HE DISCUSSED THIS REVISION WITH, UH, FIRE AND THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE SOME EGRESS ISSUES WITH THE STAIR LOCATION.
SO HE DECIDED TO COME FORWARD TODAY TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE STAIRWAY.
SO IT WAS BECAUSE FIRE WASN'T APPROVING IT BECAUSE OF THE EGRESS.
HE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PRESENTATION.
AND THEN, UM, YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS VIEW, THE FRONT OF THE STREET BECAUSE
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IT'S 9 0 1 ADDRESS.'CAUSE IT'S ALAMO ADDRESS, THAT'S THE VIEW FACING ALAMO.
YEAH, BUT REALLY BECAUSE NOW THE APPLICANT HAS EXTENDED THE PATIO RIGHT FROM, WE PROVED THAT BACK THEN LIKE EXTENDED THE WHOLE WAY AROUND.
THE DOOR IS ACTUALLY ON NINTH STREET, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT ARE WE CONSIDERING THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? THIS IS THE FRONT HERE.
UM, SO THE ORIGINAL PORCH IS CORNER FACING.
UM, THIS WAS THE FRONT OF THE HOME.
AND SO WITH THE PORCH RESTORATION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WHOLE KIND OF CORNER CONDITION.
UM, SO FACING ALAMO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CROSS STREET IS, BUT NINTH.
NINTH, SO LIKE, YEAH, EXACTLY.
SO IT'S KIND OF, YEAH, LIKE THE FRONT IS ALMOST LIKE FROM THE CORNER, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A STAIRWAY ON THE LEFT SIDE AND A STAIRWAY ON THE RIGHT SIDE LOOKING AT IT FROM A CORNER OR WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST PROMINENT FACADE? HISTORICALLY IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE ALAMO FACADE, BUT NOW THAT IT'S BEEN MODIFIED, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT'S NINTH OR THE WHOLE ALAMO AND NINTH TOGETHER.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ONE CONCERN WITH THE STAIRS BEING LOCATED HERE.
IT DOES READ MORE LIKE A SIDE SIDE FACADE AND NOT THE FRONT ELEVATION.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE STAIRS OF HOW THEY'RE PLACED NOW IS IT MAKES THIS NO LONGER READ AS THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH IT IS, IT READS AS A SIDE FACADE, BUT IT REALLY IS BECOME A SIDE FACADE, RIGHT.
'CAUSE THE OTHER STAIRS ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S A SET OF STAIRS RIGHT THERE ON THAT SIDE.
I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.
UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UM, ATTEND A SITE DRC SO THAT WE CAN, UH, OBSERVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WITH THE, UH, THE FENCING AND THE GREASE TRAPS AND THE, THE, UH, HISTORIC PORCHES THAT HAVE BEEN RESTORED, UH, AND GET A BETTER IDEA OF, UH, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT OPTIONS MAY BE AVAILABLE? UH, YES, SIR.
I, I WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT MAY I ALSO INTERJECT THAT FOR US AS OPERATORS OF THIS, UH, BUSINESS, OUR ENTRANCE IS ON NINTH STREET, AND SO EVERYBODY IS COMING IN ON ONE SIDE.
SO FOR US AS WE'RE DEVELOPING THIS BAR, THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SIDE FOR US.
WE SAW NORTH, NORTH ALAMO AS A SIDE.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN A FRONT ENTRANCE.
IT WAS AN ESCAPE EGRESS, AND THE ALLEYWAYS ESCAPED EGRESS AND NINTH STREET IS THE ENTRANCE FOR US.
UM, BUT YES, SIR, IF, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'D BE WILLING TO, UH, TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND DO WHATEVER'S NECESSARY TO, TO ENHANCE THE, UH, THE LOOKS OF THIS BUILDING.
THANK YOU RICHARD SABINO I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, UM, NO MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? CAN A MOTION PLEASE? I MOVE THIS TO A SITE TO DRC.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
I THINK, UH, THE DESCRIPTION IS, UH, HE WAS QUITE DETAILED, BUT IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING ABOUT WHAT PARTS ARE WHERE ON THE SITE.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR, UM, THE COMMITTEE TO, UH, COME OUT AND, AND LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION AND SPACE AVAILABLE AND OTHER, UH, POSSIBLE IMPEDIMENTS FOR RELOCATING THIS STAIR.
DOESN'T LIKE YOU? MY HOUSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS.
SO CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
I GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS HDRC CASE 2025 DASH 3 27 FOR 1 3 6 GORMAN STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 937, UH, SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE CONSTRUCT A 216 SQUARE FOOT COVERED DECK AT THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED NEW ADDITION AND CONSTRUCT A
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162 SQUARE FOOT WOODEN PORCH AT THE FRONT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDING B.
THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS FOOTPRINT EXCEEDS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE GUIDELINES.
IF HDRC APPROVES A FOOTPRINT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED, THAT THE APPLICANT REUSE AND INCORPORATE ANY EXISTING SALVAGEABLE WOOD SIDING ON SITE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH.
OR STANDARD GALVAO FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION.
RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION.
NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED.
ALL CHIMNEY FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED.
AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS.
THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY WOOD WINDOW AS SUBMITTED AND THAT THE, AND THAT THE STAFF AND THAT IT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS.
THE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE AN INCIDENT OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN 1.25 INCHES AND STYLES NO WIDER THAN 2.25 INCHES.
WHITE MANUFACTURERS COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED TO STAFF.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE TOP WINDOW SASH.
THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITH THE INSTALLATION OF A ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM ADD THICKNESS WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE SEAL DETAIL.
WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE WINDOW OPENING NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE FRONT PORCH AND REAR DECK, UH, COLUMNS BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX, UH, SIX BY SIX INCHES IN WIDTH FEATURE WOOD MATERIAL AND A TRADITIONAL CAPIN BASE IN CHAMBER CORNERS.
FIVE, THAT THE FRONT PORCH RAILINGS FEATURE A TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL AND A NEW POST.
THE BOTTOM RAIL SHOULD FEATURE A VERTICAL ORIENTATION AND SHOULD BE INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE PORCH DECKING.
BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAILS SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED BY TWO INCH BY FOUR INCH MEMBERS.
THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET.
SIX, THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT AND REAR PORCH DECKING SHOULD FEATURE A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD MEMBER'S LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE.
AND SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
AND COMMISSIONERS, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WHO IS HERE VIRTUALLY AND WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION, HAS SUBMITTED UPDATED DOCUMENTS REDUCING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE REAR EDITION FROM 937 SQUARE FEET TO 700 SQUARE FEET.
THIS IS AVAILABLE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER AND I'LL PULL THAT UP AS WELL.
YOU DO HAVE, UM, A LETTER AND A VOICEMAIL, WHICH I'LL PLAY AFTER THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
RICHARD, IF YOU'RE ONLINE, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS RICHARD GONZALEZ, I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, AS YOU GUYS, UH, KNOW, I'M REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A REAR ADDITION, WHICH WE'RE WILLING TO GO DOWN TO SEVEN, UH, HUNDRED SQUARE FEET TO MAKE THE PROPERTY FULLY FUNCTIONAL.
UH, A COVERED REAR REAR DECK, UH, AND THEN A FRONT WOOD PORCH, WHICH IS ALREADY EXISTING.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S A CONCRETE, UM, FRONT, FRONT DECK.
ALL WE WOULD BE DOING WOULD BE WRAPPING IT WITH WOOD OR REPLACE, UH, NOT REPLACING IT.
WE, WE JUST BE PUTTING WOOD ON TOP OF IT.
UM, SO EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING, THE ENTIRE HISTORIC HOME IS PRESERVED.
UH, NO HISTORIC MATERIALS ARE BEING DEMOLISHED.
THE EXISTING FRONT ADE ROOF LINE, WINDOWS AND SIDING ALL REMAIN.
UM, AND THE ADDITION IS FULLY AT THE REAR, SO IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND DOES NOT CHANGE THE HISTORIC APPEARANCE OR SILHOUETTE OF THE HOME.
UM, ALL DESIGN ELEMENTS FOLLOW THE HISTORIC PRECEDENT, UH, USING THE WOOD SIDING, WOOD WINDOWS, UH, CORRECT WINDOW, RECESS AND TRIM, TRADITIONAL COLUMNS, PORCH DETAILS AND DECKING.
UH, AND A COMPLIANCE STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF THAT WILL GO WITH THAT.
UH, SO WE, WE FULLY ACCEPT, UH, OR I FULLY ACCEPT ALL STAFF MATERIAL IN CONSTRUCTION
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STIPULATIONS.UM, AND IT IS DEFINITELY CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PATTERNS.
UM, MANY NE NEARBY PROPERTIES HAVE SIMILAR OR LARGER REAR ADDITIONS.
THIS DESIGN FITS THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THE ONLY CONCERN IS THE, THE FOOTPRINT SIZE.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? YES.
AND THEN, UM, JUST TO NOTE COMMISSIONERS, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON SCREEN IS THE PREVIOUS REQUEST VERSUS THE UPDATED REQUEST.
HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIR, PERSON OF THE DIGNITY WOODY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE 3 1 5 1 3 6 GOMAN STREET.
WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION NOT TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION SINCE THEY REQUESTED ADDITIONAL FOOTPRINT OF BOTH A NEW ADDITION AND THE COVERED REAR PORCH FAR EXCEEDS 40% OF THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLANS.
THE EXISTING COVERED FRONT PORCH IS MADE OF A CEMENT SLAB, YET THE DRAWING SHOW A COVERED WOOD PORCH.
DOES THE APPLICANT PROPOSE TO COVER THE EXISTING CEMENT SLAB PORCH WITH WOOD? AND DOES THAT MEET OHP GUIDELINES? SINCE THE ORIGINAL PORCH IS CEMENT, THERE IS A LACK OF FENESTRATION ON THE EAST AND WEST FACING WALLS OF THE ADDITION.
DOES THE APPLICANT PLAN TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL WINDOWS FOR A SMALLER ADDITION? AND IT ALSO, THERE SEEMS TO BE A SMALL SINGLE PANE WINDOW ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS THIS COMPLIANT WITH THE WINDOW GUIDELINES? AND FINALLY THE REAR ADDITION HAS A SLIDING GLASS DOOR.
THIS SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH A WOODEN DOOR THAT MEETS HISTORICAL GUIDELINES.
AND, UM, DO WE ALSO HAVE A LETTER IN THE PACKET FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR REVIEW? SO, UH, FOR QUESTIONS I AGAIN, START WITH MY VIRTUAL ADVOCATE.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, SIR.
COMMISSIONER DI NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER ZUKA? YES, I HAD A QUESTION.
JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, PHOTO AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PACKAGE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MISREADING IT, IF THOSE ARE CEMENT SLABS, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE FRONT PORCH OR WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WALKWAY EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY.
AND, UM, AND THEN WHAT LOOKS LIKE TWO MORE ON THE BACK, AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S NO REQUEST TO DEMOLISH, MAYBE I'M JUST READING THIS WRONG FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH.
YEAH, THE, THERE IS NO, UM, THERE'S NOTHING TO DEMOLISH, INCLUDING THE FRONT SLAB, WHICH IS THE CURRENT PORCH.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE COLUMNS ARE LANDING, UM, ON A FRONT CEMENT SLAB.
SO WE, WE WOULD JUST BE, UH, PUTTING A WOOD DECK ON TOP OF IT AND AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE STEPS THAT YOU HAVE TO STEP ONTO JUST TO GET INTO THE HOUSE.
UM, AND SINCE THE HOUSE HAS BEEN LEVELED PROPERLY NOW IT'S PROBABLY LIKE A, AT LEAST A FOOT HIGHER.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE NEW DECK WOULD KIND OF LEVEL IT PERFECTLY FOR WALKING INTO THE PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY STEPS FROM THE, FROM THE ACTUAL PORCH.
IT'S, IT'S CLEAR THAT I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THAT PHOTOGRAPH AND, AND DON'T SEE IN THE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS.
YEAH, I GUESS I DID HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT BECAUSE WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT THAT'S GONNA BE CHANGED IN THE FRONT? 'CAUSE IT ALSO SEEMS LIKE WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THE, OF THE COLUMNS,
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THE PLACEMENT OF THE COLUMNS.RIGHT? IT SHOULD, IT, IT, IT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO REFLECT WHAT'S EXISTING, SO IT SHOULD MATCH EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY IS, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT.
I GUESS WE CAN ADD THAT AS A STIPULATION.
MY OTHER QUESTION WAS WITH THE NEW, UM, SIZE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHAT'S THE LOT COVERAGE OR WHAT WOULD BE, BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID 700 SQUARE FEET, IS THAT JUST ROUNDED 700 OR IS IT 700 SOMETHING? NO, IT, IT IS EXACT, IT'S EXACT BASED ON, UH, THE DIMENSIONS AND THE PLAN THAT WE PROVIDED, UH, IT, IT JUST HAPPENED TO HIT 700.
SO THEN THE TOTAL, HOW MUCH IS THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL SIZE OF THE HOUSE NOW? SO THE, THE LOT IS OVER 7,000 SQUARE FEET AND CHANGE AND THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE UNDER 2000, ABOUT 1900.
UM, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.
AND SO IS THE, WITH THE ADDITION, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROPORTION OF THE ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE? IT'S 54%.
VICE CHAIR FETZER? UH, NONE AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER SABINO? UM, YEAH, UM, ACCORDING TO THE STREET VIEW, UM, ON, ON THE INTERNET WE SEE A COUPLE OF CARPORTS IN PLACE IN THE FRONT.
WAS THERE A COA ISSUED FOR THE REMOVAL OF THOSE? SO I'D HAVE TO CHECK.
COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT AWARE OF THESE CARPORTS.
UM, THEY SH UH, THEY SHOW UP ON, UM, APRIL, 2022, APRIL, 2022.
AND THEN THERE'S A PLAN VIEW FROM 2025.
ANYWAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WAS PREVIOUS COAS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THESE THINGS.
UM, THE OTHER, UM, LET'S SEE, MY QUESTIONS HAD TO DO ALSO WITH THE CEMENT PORCH.
AND, UM, MR. GONZALEZ, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW, WHAT THE DETAILING AT THE EDGE OF THOSE PERPENDICULAR PLANKS DECK PORCH PLANKS WOULD LOOK LIKE? UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE A, UM, AN ADEQUATE TRANSITION BETWEEN YOUR WOOD FINISH AND THE CONCRETE BASE OF YOUR FRONT PORCH? YES.
SO, SO THERE WOULD BE WOOD STEPS, UH, ALSO COMING DOWN FROM THE, THE NEW WOOD, UH, UM, DECK.
UH, I'M, I'M GONNA CALL IT A DECK BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE PORCH IS ALREADY THERE, SO WE'RE JUST BASICALLY ADDING A WOOD DECK WIDTH.
NOW IT'S GONNA NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME WOOD, WOOD, UH, STEPS GOING DOWN.
UM, AND THEN WE'D BE USING THE, YOU KNOW, ONE BY THREE AND A HALF, UH, PLANKS AS THE, AS THE DECKING, UM, VERTICALLY THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.
UM, AND THEN THE COLUMNS, THEY WOULD BE THE CHAMBER ONES, UH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
SO WHEN YOU SAY THE DECK, IS THIS A TONGUE AND GROOVE MATERIAL? YES.
UM, AND THEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO REMOVE THE CONCRETE STEPS IN FRONT AND REPLACE 'EM WITH WOOD? YES.
UM, I HAVE NO, I, I, I THINK, I THINK THOSE, UM, YEAH, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
UM, JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY, IN ORDER TO ADD AN ADDITION, YOU HAVE TO LEVEL THE HOUSE FIRST AND THAT INCREASES THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY JUST SO THAT WAY THE ADDITION DOESN'T END UP ON THE FLOOR.
UM, SO NOW THERE'S A, A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE ENTRY OF THE DOOR AND THE DECK.
SO THAT'S WHY THE NEW DECK NOW YOU CAN DO IT TO WHERE IT'S SAFE, YOU CAN DO IT TO THE NEW ELEVATION THAT IT NEEDS IT.
UM, AND YOU CAN DESIGN IT THAT WAY BECAUSE YOU'RE USING WOOD VERSUS RE POURING, UH, THE CONCRETE SLAB IN THE FRONT.
COMMISSIONER MANLEY? NO QUESTIONS.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL, UM, APPROVAL, UM, WITH A REQUIREMENT TO RETURN TO A DRC
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WITH THE SMALLER, WITH THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT PROVIDED.I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
THE, THE UPDATED SMALLER FOOTPRINT FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT ALSO A REQUIREMENT TO COME TO, OR A REQUEST TO COME TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE DRC TO ADDRESS STAFF STIPULATIONS IN ADDITION TO OTHER DETAILS.
AND PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION.
YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I WANTED TO, I, I THINK THIS IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY FOR SOME MIS MISSED DETAILS.
MISSED, OH, TRANSITIONS MATERIAL THINGS.
IF WE, UM, DUE TO THE LACK OF DOCUMENTATION, I THINK, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS I'M NOTICING HERE, EVEN WITH THE SHORTER, SMALLER FOOTPRINT, UH, WE COULD USE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION AND I THINK THOSE ARE SOME TOPICS THAT WOULD YIELD A GOOD CONVERSATION AT A DRC.
DID THE ADJUST YOUR STIPULATION? YEAH, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK STAFF LIKE HOW MUCH OF THAT FRONT PORCH IS ACTUALLY ORIGINAL? 'CAUSE I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, THE STAIRS HAVE LIKE ROUNDED EDGE ALMOST LIKE FROM THE SIXTIES.
I THINK THE COLUMNS ARE NOT ORIGINAL.
AND THEN I AGREE WITH THE DRC AND I MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR OR ON THAT STREET BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S, THERE'S MANY SIMILAR HOMES.
I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE, UM, 700 SQUARE FEET, THE LOGIC'S BIG AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT ALREADY REDUCING IT TO AROUND THE 50.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER NUMBER TO HANDLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT PORCH, I MEAN EVEN, EVEN IF HE'S REBUILDING IT, ARE WE EVEN LOOKING AT AN ORIGINAL STAIRS? ARE WE EVEN LOOKING AT ORIGINAL COLUMN PLACEMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTION.
I MEAN, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SO HEARING NONE? YEP.
SOMETHING MA'AM? YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER GROOVE'S COMMENT ABOUT THE PORCH.
THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TRENDS THROUGH ALL NEIGHBORHOODS TO REMOVE WOOD PORCHES.
SO, UM, I'VE SEEN SOME PORCHES MODIFIED WITH A WOOD, UM, TONGUE AND GROOVE PORCH BOARD THAT ARE CONVINCING, BUT THEN THERE ARE A LOT THAT ARE NOT.
SO I THINK THE, THE PORT FRONT PORCH NEEDS A A LOT OF ATTENTION AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE.
SO COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 10 HDRC CASE 2025 DASH 3 26 FOR THREE 20 EAST COURTLAND PLACE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY 920 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO DECONSTRUCT THE, THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
UH, FIRST THAT THE EXISTING RARE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE AND A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR MUST COMPLETE DECONSTRUCTION FORM SUBMISSION AND PERMITTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH UDC CHAPTER 12.
ARTICLE TWO AS NOTED IN FINDING B.
SECOND, THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGE AS MUCH EXISTING MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE, INCLUDING WOOD SIDING AND STRUCTURAL MEMBERS FOR REUSE ONSITE RESELLER DONATION, FULL DECONSTRUCTION BY HAND WOULD YIELD A LARGER QUANTITY OF RECLAIMED MATERIALS AVAILABLE FOR RESELL OR REUSE.
IN OTHER PROJECTS, A COMPREHENSIVE SALVAGE PLAN MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF OUTLINING THE MATERIALS TO BE RECLAIMED AND THEIR FINAL DESTINATION OR PROPOSED USE.
THIRD, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT THE FINAL ANNOTATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING THE RIDGE LINE HEIGHT FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL PRODUCT AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE WINDOWS, EXTERIOR DOORS, SIDING, AND ROOF PRODUCTS BASED OFF FINDINGS, G-H-I-N-J AND FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF
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ADJUSTMENT IF APP IF APPLICABLE BASED ON FINDING C THE APPLICANT TERRY ESPENSON IS HERE IN PERSON.TERRY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO APPROACH THE PODIUM, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
AND COMMISSIONERS, I DO WANNA NOTE THAT, UM, THERE IS AN ALTERNATE DESIGN AS WELL THAT WAS PROPOSED.
IT WAS NOT THE PRIMARY DESIGN, BUT THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU IN YOUR LATE PACKET, IN YOUR LATE FOLDER, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PULL IT UP IF YOU'D LIKE.
MY NAME IS TERRY ESPENSON, I'M THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE, UH, DOCTORS ETSY.
AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, REMOVE THE, UH, STRUCTURE THAT'S BACK THERE NOW AND PUT A NEW ONE UP.
ANY QUESTIONS? THAT WAS IT, SIR.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTIONS.
DO YOU COMPLY WITH ALL THE UM, STIPULATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATION? YES, YOU ACCEPT THOSE? OKAY.
SORRY, I STOLE MR. HOLLAND'S QUESTION.
UM, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER SABINO? NO QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MADMAN.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UH, WITH THE REVISED ROOF LINE FOR THE, THE PORCH OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH OPTION ONE.
THE, UH, INSTEAD OF THE GABLE ROOF, IT'D BE THE SHED ROOF.
SHED ROOF OVER THE FRONT PORCH? YES.
UM, REASON I'M, UH, MOVED FOR THE, UH, THE SHED ROOF OVER THE PORCH IS THAT, UM, IT MAKES A LITTLE MORE REFERENCE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT'S COMING DOWN.
IT, UH, TENDS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE TOO PROMINENT AND IT IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, SO, UH, I THINK THE, THE SHED ROOF WOULD BE, UH, MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, UH, LOCATION.
OTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, AND I GUESS IT WAS A QUESTION THAT COME AFTER, WELL WHAT'S THE ORNAMENTS ON THE COLUMNS WHEN IT DOESN'T HAVE IT ON THE FRONT? IS THERE A SPECIFIC IDEA FOR THAT OR, OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE THE DRAWING WAS LIKE THAT WHEN YOU, 'CAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S SOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE CUSTOMER, UH, THE LANDOWNER JUST LIKED IT TO MAKE IT MORE, I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD VICTORIAN, BUT BACK IN THAT ERA.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE THOSE UP IF, I MEAN, UM, I WAS JUST THINKING BECAUSE YOU'VE TAKEN SOME OF THE ELEMENTS FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? LIKE A LITTLE BIT ON THE ROOF.
THERE'S SOME, THERE ARE SOME ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WELL NOT ON THE COLUMNS, IT'S KIND OF MORE ON THAT.
ON THAT FRONT GABLE, ARE THERE ANY ON THE FRONT? I MEAN, I'M NOT SUPER OPPOSED TO IT.
I GUESS IT'S, IT GIVES IT THAT INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING LIKE A SHED, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT IT WAS AND I AGREE WITH, SO, UM, SHOULD IT BE ADDED A STIPULATION THAT IT'S GOING WITH THE OPTION TWO? I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADDED AS A STIPULATION TO THE MOTION AND TABLE THAT WAS YES.
WAS IT CLEARLY OPTION TWO? YES.
COMMISSIONER FETZER POINTED OUT THAT HE, HE WANTED THIS DESIGN.
HOWEVER WE CAN RESTATE THE MOTION TO CLEARLY STATE OPTION TWO.
APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH OPTION TWO PRESENTED TODAY.
UM, MR. MOTH PROPERLY MOVED IN A SECOND.
CONCURS, UM, ANYTHING FURTHER? COMMISSIONER GROUP? THANK YOU.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCUSS, MR. CHAIR? OF COURSE I DO.
UM, TO THE, TO THE QUESTION OF THE ORNATE BRACKETS, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT, UH, TOO QUEEN ANN ISH AND I THINK, UM, IT MIGHT BEHOOVE THE PROJECT IN GENERAL TO JUST REMOVE THEM.
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THAT LIMB ON THAT DESIGN LIMB BECAUSE WHAT IT'S DOING ALONG WITH THE, THE BOARD AND BATTEN AND THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, UM, WELL IT BEGINS TO ENCROACH INTO THIS FALSE HISTORICISM.SO THAT WOULD BE MY, UM, COMMENT TO YOU AND THE, YOUR CLIENT.
WELL THEN I AMEND MY MOTION TO REMOVE THE BRACKETS FROM THE, UH, DESIGN.
DOES THIS SECOND CONCUR? SECOND.
AND COMMISSIONERS, IF I MAY, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE AS WE HAVE IT WRITTEN, IT'D BE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN, SO IT WOULD COME BACK FOR FINAL DESIGN AND YOU WOULD HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO REVIEW THOSE MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.
ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.
AYE GROUP, UH, SORRY, BEFORE THIS, THE REQUEST SAYS APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVE.
I DIDN'T SEE CONCEPTUAL ON THIS.
SO BY MOVING AS RECOMMENDED WHEN REMO WE'RE PROVING CONCEPTUAL.
THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA.
WE ARE, CAN, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT JUST TO COMMENT? I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO UH PROPERTIES AND ONE WAS WITH ADRIAN AND ONE WAS WITH KAITLYN.
AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU HOW EASY IT'S BEEN TO WORK WITH THEM AND Y'ALL ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THEM.