Dec 17, 2025 Historic and Design Review Commission

MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.

IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.

AND FOR DI DEMOLITIONS.

AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO REPRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON AN ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S NOT TO TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

UM, FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 3RD.

MR. CHAIR, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 3RD, 2025.

BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE.

AND I JUST REMEMBERED OUR NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE 2026 MEETING SCHEDULE AND SO I DON'T THINK WE ARE PREPARED TO PULL IT UP, BUT EDWARD CAN START WORKING ON THAT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

UM, BUT IT'LL CONTINUE TO BE THE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AND I'LL JUST NOTE THAT, UM, THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP AND SO CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED DECEMBER 24TH THROUGH, UM, JANUARY 2ND IS WHEN WE'LL BE BACK.

SO THE FIRST HEARING AFTER THE BREAK WILL BE JANUARY 21ST.

WE DO NEED ACTION ON THE APPROVAL OF THE CALENDAR.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION? PLEASE MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR THE, UH, 2026 HDRC HEARING SCHEDULE.

HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRPERSON OF THE DIGNITY WHI HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE 3 22 LAMAR, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 3 4 6.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]

YOU.

UM, MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

WE HAVE 15 ITEMS. ITEM 16 WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY, UM, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS POSTED, BUT WE'RE MAKING THAT CLARIFICATION NOW.

UM, AT THIS TIME WE HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT, UM, BEGINNING WITH VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

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WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO GRANT, HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION FOR 3 22 LAMAR.

AT THE SEPTEMBER 3RD HDRC MEETING, WE AGREED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO REPLACE THE WALKWAY PAVERS WITH A CONTINUOUS WALKWAY.

WE ALSO CALLED OUT THAT THE APPLICANT HAD REMOVED THE EXISTING FISH SCALE SIDING ABOVE THE WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND REQUESTED THAT THIS SIDING BE REINSTALLED.

THE HDRC COMMISSIONERS AGREED WITH THIS REQUEST AND ADDED THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FISH SCALE SIDING AS A STIPULATION TO BE MET, OUR COMMENTS AND A PICTURE OF THE FISH SALE SCALE SIDING FROM THAT MEETING ARE IN THE DOCUMENTS PROVIDED.

THIS DETAIL IS WHAT MAKES THE HOUSE STAND OUT AND SHOULD BE REPLACED.

UNTIL THIS IS DONE, THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION.

EDWARD, IF YOU'LL PAUSE ON THAT, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER ONE.

UM, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER, EDUARDO, UM, I CANNOT MAKE OUT THE LAST NAME.

YEAH, IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND COME UP AND JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES.

HELLO.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

UH, HELLO.

MY NAME IS EDUARDO MEZA AND I'M THE OWNER OF 10 41 WEST AGARITA AVENUE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

APOLOGIZE FOR MY VOICE.

I'M GETTING OVER SOMETHING.

UH, I'M REQUESTING HISTORICAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS HOME IS AN IMPORTANT AND WELL PRESERVED EXAMPLE OF BEACON HILLS EARLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND I WANT TO BE A RESPONSIBLE STEWARD OF, UH, THAT HISTORY GOING FORWARD.

THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1919 DURING SAN ANTONIO'S FIRST MAJOR PERIOD OF EXPANSION AND REFLECTS THE WOOD SIDING WHEN, UH, THE CRAFTSMANSHIP BUNGALOW STYLE THAT DEFINES MUCH OF BEACON HILL, UH, MUCH OF BEACON HILL, ITS ORIGINAL MASSING ROOF FORM, WOOD SIDING, WINDOWS PORCH CONFIGURATION AND DETAIL REMAINING TA INTACT.

UH, AND THE HOMES CONTINUE.

UH, CON, UH, CONTINUES TO READ AS CLEARLY AS STREETCAR ERA RESIDENCE.

THEIR PROPERTY ALSO OCCUPIES A PROMINENT CORNER, A LOCATION AT AGARITA IN MICHIGAN, GIVING IT A STRONG VISUAL PRESENCE AND ALLOWING IT TO CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY TO THE HISTORIC STREETS SCAPE IN, IN THAT SENSE, IT DOESN'T JUST REPRESENT ITS OWN HISTORY, BUT ALSO REINFORCES THE ARCHITECTURAL RHYTHM, UH, AND CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING BLOCK.

I APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S RECOGNITION THAT THE HOME RETAINS A HIGH DEGREE OF INTEGRITY.

WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN MODEST CHANGES OVER TIME, SUCH AS THE ENCLOSURE OF A REAR PORCH, THESE CHANGES ARE SECONDARY AND DO NOT DOMINATE THE STRUCTURE.

I, UH, AND DO NOT DIMINISH FROM THE, UH, HOME'S OVERALL HISTORIC CHARACTER FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

FOR ME, THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION IS NOT ABOUT LIMITING CHANGE, BUT ABOUT GUIDING, UH, RE UH, GUIDING CHANGE RESPONSIBLY.

I SEE THIS DESIGNATION AS A TOOL THAT HELPS, UH, TO ENSURE ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, RESPECT THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE, STRENGTHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S PRESERVE, UH, PRESERVATION GOALS.

I APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S, UH, THOROUGH REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS DESIGNATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES, READ DRAINAGE DESIGN AND MATERIALS, UH, WE, UH, ON, UH, BETWEEN THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND AN EXISTING HISTORIC HOME, UH, THAT ABUTS THESE PROPOSED STRUCTURES, RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO MEET WITH THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY PROPOSED ELEMENTS THROUGH THE RNA HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMITTEE BEFORE THESE PROPOSED, UH, ELEMENTS ARE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION.

UM, AND THEN FOR ITEM 13, WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THAT WITH VOICEMAILS, BARBARA, BUT HOWELL, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS BARBARA WOOD HOWELL, 1 0 5 MAGNOLIA DRIVE, RIVER ROAD, NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE.

I'M, UH, WANTED TO MAKE COMMENTS CONCERNING CASE 2025 DASH 3 31 1 42 ARMOR PLACE.

UH, ON NOVEMBER 11TH, UM, I WAS INVITED TO WALK TO A WALKTHROUGH, UH, WITH THE GROUP OF NEIGHBORS FOR THE NEW OWNER AT 1 42 ARMOR PLACE.

UH, DURING THAT WALKTHROUGH, WE SAW OUTLINES MARKED ON A LOT OF TWO PROPOSED STRUCTURES, A STUDIO AND CARPORT IS SHOWN ON YOUR MONITOR, MAYBE .

ANYWAY, TWO, UM, AND LAST FRIDAY PER USUAL BECAUSE THIS IS WHEN, UM, P THE, THE PUBLIC GETS TO KNOW ABOUT THE SPECIFIC, UH, ACTIONS OR IDEAS OR PROPOSALS FOR A CASE, UH, WAS DISTRIBUTED, DISTRIBUTED, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BY ANOTHER MEMBER WHO DOES THIS AS A REGULAR BASIS.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE WERE MADE AWARE OF THE DETAILS OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.

AND, UH, THERE WAS, UH, WE HAD NOT MET WITH THE APPLICANT BEFORE AND SO I REALIZED WE WERE NOTIF, WE, I WAS INVITED TO IT.

I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT AT THE TIME OF INVITING THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT ANYWAY, WE DID SEE IT.

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WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, WE'RE JUST SO COMMITTED TO THAT.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS BEFORE IT COMES TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.

HELLO, THIS IS BILL LAR CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 3 31 AT 1 4 2 ARMOR PLACE IN RIVER ROAD.

I AM A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OF THE PROJECT AT 1 3 4 ARMOR PLACE.

MR. BAILEY HAS SHARED HIS PLANS AND DRAWINGS AND CONVERSATIONS AND I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT HIS EFFORT.

MY NAME IS JIM MC KENNEDY, 5 0 9 RIVER ROAD.

ITEM NUMBER 13 1 42 ARMOR PLACE.

DEAR HDRC COMMISSIONERS, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD HOME THAT HAS PROXIMITY IN CLEARVIEW OF MR. BAILEY'S YARD AND NEW BUILDINGS.

BOTH OUR PROPERTIES FACES SAN ANTONIO RIVER.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS IN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE JIM BAILEY AS A NEIGHBOR.

WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO HIS PLANNED BUILDINGS.

WE DISCUSSED SOME CONCERNS WITH HIM AND MR. BAILEY OFFERED THE FOLLOWING MITIGATIONS FOR DRAINAGE PERTAINING TO THE CARPORT SHED, THE COLOCATION OF THE SHED BUILDING WILL BE FIVE FEET FROM OUR FENCE LINE AND ROOF LINE IS THREE FEET.

THE ROOF IS TILTED TOWARD THE FENCE.

WE PREVIOUSLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH WATER DRAINAGE IN OUR BACKYARD THAT NECESSITATED AN EXTENSIVE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

TOPOGRAPHY SHOWS THAT WE ARE LOWER THAN THE ARMOR PROPERTY.

MR. BAILEY HAS OFFERED TO BUILD A SWELL BEHIND HIS CAR PARK TO PREVENT WATER FROM ENTERING OUR PROPERTY.

IF THIS IS NOT ADEQUATE, WE WOULD LIKE THE ADDITION OF GUTTERS TO FURTHER PREVENT DRAINAGE ON OUR PROPERTY.

THE VIEW SAID FROM THIS BUILDING, WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THE CARS AND LIGHTS SPILL THROUGH OUR FENCE AND INTO OUR HOME.

MR. BAILEY AGREED TO COVER THE FENCE ON HIS SIDE SO WE COULD NOT SEE THE CARS.

HE ALSO OFFERED TO BUILD A STRUCTURE TO GROW VINES.

HIS OFFER TO CONTROL THE POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT SPILL THE STUDIO VIEW SHED.

MR. BAILEY HAS AGREED TO A 10 FOOT SBACK.

HE WILL PLANT TREES TO FURTHER BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE STUDIO FROM OUR HOUSE AND THAT HE WILL PREVENT LIGHTS FLOW FROM THE STUDIO.

WE HAVE PLANTED TWO TREES IN THE YARD AND HE WILL, HE HAS CONTINUED TO WATER AND MAINTAIN THEM FOR SOUND FROM THE STUDIO.

HE WILL MAKE THE AIR CONDITIONERS QUIET, MAY BE USING MINI SPLITS AND APPROPRIATE PLACEMENT TO NOT DIRECT SOUND TO OUR HOUSE.

MEDICATIONS ARE NOTED IN THE LETTER SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MR. BAILEY JOINING OUR BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

HELLO, THIS IS MANED BROWN CALLING IN FROM 7 5 8 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE IN THE HISTORIC RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF AGENDA ITEM 2025 DASH 3 5 3 3 4 AT 1 4 2 ARMOR.

ALSO IN THE HISTORIC RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PROPOSED PLANS ARE VERY MODEST IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS SITE AND REMAIN SUBSERVIENT TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

THE SITE WAS ONCE AN OVERGROWN MESS FILLED WITH TRASH AND THE OWNER HAS GREATLY IMPROVED THIS SITE ALREADY AND WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO ADD TO THE BEAUTY OF THE AREA.

THESE CURRENT PLANS IF APPROVED, WILL ONLY ADD VALUE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT DETRACT FROM IT.

FOR THESE REASONS, I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE OWNER, JIM BAILEY'S PROPOSED PLANS.

THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD, WHICH WERE MINOR, UM, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS SEEKING TO ADDRESS AND ALSO EXPLAINED A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION TO US.

MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.

THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14.

MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO.

I'M PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE CASE FOR WOODLAWN LAKE PARK, H-D-R-K-H-D-R-C, CASE 2025 DASH 3 2 3.

REGARDING THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE MADE AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ACROSS THE PARK, WE WANT TO PROVIDE A, A HUGE THANK YOU TO OUR COUNCILWOMAN FOR ALL HER EFFORTS IN GAIN AND GAINING THE MONIES TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THEN ALSO TO DESIREE SALMON FOR MEETING WITH US REGARDING OUR CONCERNS.

WE HAVE EXPRESSED, UM,

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WE ARE EXCITED AND GIVE OUR WHOLEHEARTED SUPPORT TO THIS PROJECT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ITS EXECUTION AND FOR IT TO BEGIN.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE SUPPORT THE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.

BYE-BYE.

COMMISSIONERS, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE VOICEMAILS.

UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS OR ON YOUR DESKTOPS FOR A NUMBER OF THESE CASES.

COMMISSIONER FETZER? YES, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE AND 13, THREE AND 13.

ANY OTHER COMMISSION LIKE TO POLLING ITEMS? MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS WELL AS ITEM NUMBER 12.

ANY OTHER ITEMS? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

FESTER.

1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14 AND 15.

I NEED TO RECUSE OFF OF, UH, THE CONSENT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER HAS LEFT THE ROOM.

UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION ON THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA BE APPROVED.

WOULD YOU MIND LISTENING TO NUMBERS PLEASE? THIS WOULD, I CAN DO IT .

YEAH, IF IT'S EASIER THE ITEMS, I CAN WRITE 'EM DOWN AS YOU PULL THEM.

YES, AS STATED.

AND IS THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT REGARDING, UM, THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT ARE GOING FOR HISTORIC VERIFICATION, TAX VERIFICATION.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM, UM, AS WELL AS THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

I REALLY COMMEND TO ALL OF YOU FOR DOING THAT.

YOU'LL FIND THAT IT'LL BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL AS YOU CONTINUE TO WORK ON YOUR HOUSE AND YOU INVEST IN YOUR BUILDING AND ESPECIALLY TO MR. MEZA.

HAVING THAT LANDMARK IN BEACON HILL IS REALLY, UM, UH, QUITE A SPECIAL THING.

YOUR HOUSE IS BEAUTIFUL.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.

IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 10 41 WEST ATA 1315 EAST ELMIRA ONE TEN TWO LATA SIX 11 MASON, 4 1 4 NAVARRO TWO 19 FUR 3 27 WEST SUMMIT 3 2 29 MADISON, 7 0 8 MASON, 1103 CINCINNATI, AND 4 33 MADISON, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE MR. COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]

10 DAYS.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 3 9800 AIRPORT BOULEVARD.

UH, TIM O CROLEY AND JANE AARONS ARE HERE IN PERSON.

PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AS YOU SPOKE TO THE PODIUM.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JANE AARONS AND I, OH, SORRY.

MY NAME IS JANE AARONS AND I'M THE DESIGN MANAGER FOR THE TERMINAL DEVELOPMENT PRO PROGRAM.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.

UM, IN THE LATEST INFORMATION, I BELIEVE YOU'VE, UH, LOCATED BUILDING 1322 ON A SITE PLAN.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO THAT SLIDE? YES, PLEASE.

ONE MORE.

AND YOU'LL SEE THE AIRCRAFT RUN POSITIONS REMAIN OVERNIGHT.

AND WONDERING WHAT THE OTHER STRUCTURES ARE AROUND THERE.

UM, THIS GOES BACK TO A PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT INCORPORATING 1322 INTO THE NEW WALKWAY AND WHY IT COULDN'T BE DONE.

SO, UM, WHAT ARE THE OTHER STRUCTURES AROUND, UH, THIS AREA? THE ROUND BUILDING THAT YOU SEE IS THE TES TANK, WHICH IS A THERMAL ENERGY STORAGE TANK.

SO IT'S 60 FOOT TALL, AT LEAST IT'S A LARGE TANK FOR WATER TO OFFSET OUR ENERGY UTILIZATION.

BELOW THAT, YOU'LL SEE A FENCED JAR THAT HAS UTILITIES IN IT.

TO THE LEFT OF THAT YOU'LL SEE OUR PUMP STATION OR FOR OUR SANITARY SEWER,

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THOSE HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF A CERTAIN CLEARANCE AND YOU CAN SEE THE FENCE LINE THAT IS BEHIND THE AIRCRAFT AND BEHIND THE UTILITY BUILDINGS ALSO SEE THE REFRIGERATOR.

I ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I CAN EXPLAIN LATER.

IF NOT.

UM, THOSE OTHER STRUCTURES, SINCE THEY WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM, UM, GUESTS ARRIVING TO THE TERMINAL, UH, WILL THOSE BE COMING TO THE HCRC FOR REVIEW? THE, UM, BUILDINGS OR THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THE, UM, SORT OF FADED OUT BOXES, THOSE ARE, ARE NOT THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE.

THEY'RE BELOW GROUND WITH VENTS AND THINGS AND SO THE REFRIGERATOR BUILDING IS, IS A UTILITY BUILDING.

TRUCKS COME IN AND BASICALLY DUMP INTO THAT.

SO IT'S NOT EXPECTED THAT WE WOULD BE BRINGING FORWARD A UTILITY BUILDING.

THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED AND IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE GIVEN A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH THE OVERALL TERMINAL PROGRAM.

AS FAR AS THE TANK, NO.

UM, AGAIN, A UTILITY WE WERE NOT EXPECTING TO BRING THAT SEPARATELY AS IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A BUILDING, BUT IF THAT IS SOME SORT OF VIOLATION WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO RECONSIDERING OR DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WELL, PROBABLY THE BIGGER QUESTION WOULD BE THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPOSED WALKWAY.

UM, WE'VE SEEN NO ELEVATIONS OF THAT.

WE HAVE THOSE WALKWAY WITH MATERIALS AND, AND SUCH.

WE HAVE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO SCROLL TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THAT.

I THINK WE MOVE THOSE TO THE END.

SO THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE WALKWAY UTILIZING THE SAME MATERIALS THAT WERE SHOWN TO YOU IN THE TERMINAL.

WE HAVE THE STONE CLADDING, WE HAVE CURTAIN WALL METAL ROOFING AND INSULATED METAL PANELS AS WE DO ON THE MAIN TERMINAL.

AND THEN ON THE REAR, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE YOU ASKED ABOUT, WE HAVE CLEAR STORY GLAZING AND METAL PANELS AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE ACCENT STONE AS OBVIOUSLY IT FACES THE RAMP SPACE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MR. CHAIR.

GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER SABINO.

OKAY, MR. CHAIR, THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, UM, UH, WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED US HERE AND YOU'VE JUST BROUGHT UP EDWARD.

THOSE ARE THE LATE SUBMITTAL DRAWINGS, IS THAT CORRECT? LATE SUBMITTAL? THOSE WERE UPDATED YESTERDAY OR TODAY? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH.

I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE AT ALL.

UM, BUT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN TAKING A CLOSER LOOK.

MY MAIN CONCERN WAS, UM, UH, SOMETHING THAT STRUCK ME IMMEDIATELY AND I SEE IN ONE OF THE LETTERS IN OUR FILE MENTIONS THIS, BUT THE, UH, CHOICE TO USE THE VERY ICONIC Y SHAPE, CONCRETE STRUCTURE, ROOF STRUCTURE IN PLAN RATHER THAN IN SECTION OR VERTICALLY.

UM, AS A WAY TO HONOR THE PREVIOUS BUILDING AS IT IMITATES OR MIMICS A SHADOW LINE.

UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHY A VERTICAL STRUCTURE COULD NOT BE, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN USED OR WHY THAT IS NOT INTEGRATED INTO THE NEW DESIGN OF VERTICAL? IT WAS OUR SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO NOT MIMIC THE EXISTING BUILDING.

THE EXISTING BUILDING'S UNIQUE FEATURE IS ITS CAST IN PLACE STRUCTURE AND IT'S A VERY ELEGANT BUILDING AND IT HAS PIECES THAT OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF THAT CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGY CANNOT BE DISASSEMBLED AND REUSED IN A STRUCTURAL METHODOLOGY.

SO IN A BUILDING THAT IS NOT CAST IN PLACE, WE FELT THAT MIMICKING THAT WAS WOULD CHEAPEN BOTH 1322 AND OUR NEW PROJECT.

SO IT WAS NOT OUR INTENT TO EVER MAKE OUR BUILDING LOOK LIKE THAT.

OH SURE.

FOR SURE.

UM, BUT OKAY.

OR USE THOSE ELEMENTS IN A DIRECT METH, IN A DIRECT AESTHETIC THAT CALLED FOR THAT.

SO WE USED IT IN PLAN IN THE IDEA OF SHADOWS WE FELT WAS VERY ELEGANT AND THE POEO IS A VERY CRITICAL, ICONIC PIECE OF THIS TERMINAL PROJECT.

SO WE FELT IT WAS REALLY GIVING IT A PROMINENT LOCATION.

SO THE UM, ULTIMATE CHOICE WAS TO USE THAT FORM AND NOT MIMICKING IT AS A BUILDING, BUT RATHER AS A SIGN HOLDER OR TRASH CAN HOLDER.

I CAN'T QUITE TELL WHAT THAT IS.

WE USE IT AS A SHADOW FORM IN THE SIDEWALK AND IN THE PAVING.

AND WE ALSO USE IT IN THE, UM, COMMEMORATIVE SIGNS.

THAT ARE IN THERE IN THE SIGNAGE.

IT'S SIGNAGE, THERE ARE NO TRASH.

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COMMISSIONER ES YES FOR STAFF.

WHAT YEAR WAS THAT BUILDING BUILT? EARLY SIXTIES, I BELIEVE.

I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I'M SORRY.

PRE HEMISPHERE? YES, I THINK SO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? YES.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO WAS GETTING TO IS THAT THE UNIQUENESS OF 1322 IS ITS THREE DIMENSIONALITY WITH THE Y COLUMNS AND THE THE BARREL VAULTED ROOF AND ALL THAT.

AND UM, JUST WONDERING, WELL YOU HAD SAID YOU DIDN'T WANNA DIMINISH ITS IMPACT BY TRYING TO REPLICATE IT ON SOMETHING ELSE, BUT, UM, I AM JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULDN'T BE, COULDN'T HAVE BEEN DONE LIKE THIS.

UM, THE GARDEN PATH THAT YOU HAVE, UH, AND THE SHADOW PATTERNS ON THE GROUND.

UM, MY SENSE IS THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE WALKED BY AND NOT PAID ATTENTION TO BY GENERAL PUBLIC.

UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE WANTING TO GET FROM THE TERMINAL TO THE CAR OR THE CAR TO THE TERMINAL.

UH, AND TO REALLY CELEBRATE 1322, DID YOU EXPLORE POSSIBLY HAVING SOME SORT OF, UH, COVERED, UH, WALKWAY OR COVERED ELEMENT ON THAT WALKWAY IN THAT LOCATION? UH, YOU WOULDN'T, MIGHT BE ABLE TO POSSIBLY REUSE THE Y COLUMNS, BUT YOU COULD REPLICATE THEM, UH, POSSIBLY SECTIONS OF THE ROOF YOU COULD REINCORPORATE BUT HAVE IT AS A PARTIALLY COVERED WALKWAY, WHICH IS GONNA BE MUCH NICER IN SAN ANTONIO THAN, UH, THIS JUST WALKING DOWN.

I KNOW YOU HAVE TREES, BUT UH, SUN IS A BIG ISSUE IN THE HEAT.

SO DID YOU EXPLORE DOING A THREE DIMENSIONALITY, THREE DIMENSIONAL, UM, REPRESENTATION AS PART OF THE WALKWAY SYSTEM AND NOT NECESSARILY PART OF YOUR BUILDING? NO, WE WERE DEFINITELY NOT INTERESTED AND WE DID NOT EXPLORE USING THE ELEMENTS DIRECTLY AS THREE DIMENSIONAL ELEMENTS.

WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOU HAVE A PIECE OF A Y COLUMN OR A REPLICA OF A Y COLUMN AS A BENCH AT THE SOUTH END OF YOUR WALKWAY? YES.

UM, TO REINFORCE THE, THE HISTORY OF 1322, UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING ANOTHER ONE AT THE NORTH END SO THAT PEOPLE GET IT GOING AND COMING? YES.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE A MOTION.

OUR INTENT IS TO TRY TO SALVAGE THE Y COLUMNS AND USE THEM AS THE BENCHES ARE.

WE WILL MAKE A MODEL OF THEM IF WE CANNOT SALVAGE THEM.

JUST AND WE WILL TRY TO SALVAGE TOO.

AND THEN A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, IN THE DRC IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION, UH, OR Y'ALL HAD PRESENTATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UM, THE ART ASPECT OF THE INTERIOR OF YOUR WALKWAY.

AND QUESTION TO STAFF.

UH, WOULD THE, UH, HAS THAT GROUP BEEN APPRISED OF THE HISTORIC NATURE OF 1322 AND POSSIBLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO SOME OF THE INTERIOR ARTWORK? WE HAD TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY USING SALVAGE MATERIAL INTO THE ARTWORK.

UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT DICTATED THAT THE ARTWORK SOMEHOW INTERPRET THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.

SO THE CONTENT OF THE ART IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DICTATED.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD STIPULATE OR AT LEAST DIS DISCUSS, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH THEM, UH, ENCOURAGING SOME OF THE ARTISTS TO POSSIBLY USE THAT AS INSPIRATION? I THINK WE COULD CERTAINLY SUGGEST THAT YES, THERE WILL BE ONE ARTIST FOR THE OVERALL CONNECTOR.

SO MAYBE EASIER TO COORDINATE THAT WITH ONE PERSON RATHER THAN SEVERAL.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE.

IS THERE A SECOND?

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IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I HAVE A, I HAVE A COMMENT, MR. CHAIR.

SO I DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD.

AND I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THE, I THINK ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TAUGHT ME THE TERM FOE, WHAT IS IT? FAE, UH, HISTORICISM FOR FAE HISTORICISM.

WHICH YOU WANNA STAY AWAY FROM, RIGHT? WE DO.

AND, AND I TOTALLY GET IT.

UM, AND, AND I SEE THE LITTLE SHADOW THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE THERE ON THE LINE.

WHAT I WAS, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT AT THE DRC WAS MAYBE THAT SOMEHOW SHOWN IN A VERTICAL SENSE, RIGHT? NOT SO NECESSARILY 3D OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IN A VERTICAL SENSE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING BY, DRIVING BY NOT JUST STANDING OVER IT AND KIND OF TRYING TO NOTICE THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, BECAUSE IT IS DISTINCTIVE.

YOU SEE THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY, YOU SEE IT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING BY AND WHATNOT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

AND THAT IS MY, MY MY CONCERN.

I KNOW YOU'VE GONE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, PRETTY, PRETTY WELL OFF INTO THIS AND I THINK YOU, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.

I JUST THINK THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE MORE JUST A TAD MORE WITHOUT GETTING TO THAT FULL HISTORICISM.

AND THAT'S A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT CHALLENGE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE IT SOMETHING VERTICAL MAYBE.

UH, GO BACK TO THE FRONT FACING FACADE IMAGE OF IT, YOU KNOW? NO, NO.

THE, THE, THE, THE PROPOSED, THERE YOU GO.

MAYBE SOMETHING OF LIKE AN ARCHWAY BETWEEN THOSE TWO COLUMNS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT KIND OF LIKE A SHADOW OF WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE GROUND, BUT MAYBE UP THERE WERE THOSE COLUMNS, UH, IN THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE COLUMNS AND, AND, AND THE ROOF.

A LITTLE SHADOW OR SOMETHING TWO DIMENSIONAL UP THERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN IDEA, BUT THANK YOU.

JUST THANK YOU.

THOSE QUESTIONS BRING, YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UM, ALONG THE LINES OF RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS.

UM, I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE NUMBER 17 IN THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE THAT WAS MADE PUBLIC.

UM, UM, AND I SEE I, I SEE A, A LOT OF, UH, VALIDITY IN INCLUDING VERTICAL ELEMENTS IN THAT AREA TO THE SOUTH OF THIS BUILDING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GLAZING, NOT MUCH OF AN OVERHANG.

WHAT WE DO HAVE AS AN OVERHANG IS UP PRETTY HIGH.

I THINK THE SOLAR INCIDENT ON THAT FACE WILL BE PRETTY, PRETTY HEAVY MOST OF THE TIME.

AND THAT EDGE OR THE PEDESTRIAN WALKTHROUGH NEXT TO THE, THE TRAFFIC LANES COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM SHADE STRUCTURES.

AND PERHAPS THAT'S WHERE, UH, SOME OF THE GEOMETRIES FROM 1322 COME INTO PLAY.

UM, ALSO I THINK HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BARRIER BETWEEN THOSE PEDESTRIANS AND THAT TRAFFIC MOVING OUT OF THE AIRPORT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL THE WAY IT'S RENDERED HERE.

AND IT'S JUST A RENDERING AND I KNOW THAT, BUT SEEMS MINIMAL, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT PERSON SITTING ON THAT BENCH WITH CARS WHIZZING BY AND DRIVERS LOOKING AT THINGS OTHER THAN PROXIMITY OF THAT VERY, VERY NICE PEDESTRIAN AREA.

SO, YOU KNOW, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, THAT AREA COULD BENEFIT FROM SOME VERTICAL, ADDITIONAL VERTICAL ELEMENTS, WHICH COULD BE REMINISCENT, NOT IDENTICAL, BUT REMINISCENT OF THE 1322.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP.

I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT.

SO THE DEMOLITION HAD A BUNCH OF STIPULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE STILL VALID AND THEY ARE.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE LETTER INDICATED THAT THE BUILDING HAD BEEN DEMOLISHED ALREADY AND IT HAS NOT.

OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT.

YES, I WAS, YEAH, JUST ONE LAST COMMENT.

UM, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

UM, GOING ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I THINK SOME MORE, UM, THREE DIMENSIONAL ELEMENTS AS PART OF THE, UH, THE REFERENCE TO 1322 COULD BE INCORPORATED, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE, UM, IN THIS PART OF THE PROJECT.

SO I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

UM, SO AS PART OF THE BUILDING DOCUMENTATION, WHICH IS REQUIRED UNDER THAT MOU, UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, 3D LASER SCANNING THAT ACTUALLY HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE MM-HMM .

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE STIPULATED STAFF? THE QUESTION THAT, THAT CONCERNED THAT VERTICAL ELEMENT THAT, THAT PUT YOUR, UH, UM, THAT JEFF WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE STIPULATED IN THE MOTION? JUST SOME SORT OF DESIGN ELEMENT? IT, YEAH.

WHAT OR THE MODEL? JUST BROAD, JUST JUST BROADLY.

LIKE HE JUST, HIS COMMENT WAS FAIRLY BROAD AND OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE.

OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

YEAH, I THINK THE MOST SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONS TO STIPULATIONS, THE BETTER.

UM, AND SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT DOING A, LIKE A PHYSICAL MODEL.

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AND SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRODUCE AN ACCURATE MODEL THAT WAY.

SO ONE OF THE ADDITIONS THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING WOULD BE TO PUT A SCALE MODEL IN THE INSIDE THE WALKWAY AS PART OF THE BRONZE PLAQUE AND THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF IT AND IMAGES WOULD BE A MODEL.

CAN THAT BE STIPULATED? THANK YOU.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SAW, I'M TIM MCCRONEY, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE AIRPORT.

THERE IS SOME, AND IT MAY, Y'ALL MAY HAVE ALREADY REVIEWED IT INSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING A PLAQUE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE NARRATIVES THAT WOULD BE ON THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING AND THE ARCHITECTURE.

AND THOSE Y COLUMNS WOULD BE SUPPORTING THAT NARRATIVE AND WE COULD CONSIDER A BUILDING A MODEL IN THERE.

FINAL COMMENTS? ALRIGHT.

UM, I'M SORRY, ONE MOMENT.

UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA? YES, I, I HAD A COMMENT.

I I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION EITHER.

UM, I THINK THE, UH, THERE ARE MANY WAYS THAT THIS COULD BE DONE, UH, SHOWING A REFERENCE TO THE PREVIOUS BUILDING IN A VERTICAL WAY WITHOUT BECOMING FALSE HISTORICISM.

AND I THINK IT JUST SHOWS A LACK OF IMAGINATION.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMMON? AYE.

SAVINO NAY MOOKA NAY GROUP.

AYE.

CERVANTES? NO.

HOLLAND AYE.

FETZER NAY AND GIBBS NAY.

MOTION FAILS.

SPLIT VOTE.

UM, MAY I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION PLEASE? I'LL MOVE TO DRC THEN MOVED FOR DRC.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I MEAN, I SUPPORT IT, BUT I THINK A DRC WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL IF, I MEAN, NOW YOU'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS.

SO I THINK A DRC WOULD BE AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION WITH SOME OPTIONS WITH SOME VERTICAL DESIGN ELEMENTS AS THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR.

OTHER COMMENTS? YES, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT AS WELL.

UH, WE DID HAVE A DRC LAST WEEK AND DISCUSSED THE, THE THREE DIMENSIONALITY OF, OF 1322 AND HOW THAT'S WAS, UM, WHAT MADE IT OR, UH, GREATLY ENHANCED ITS HISTOR HISTORIC NATURE.

SO I THINK THE DRC UH, WOULD BE, UH, BENEFICIAL IF IT CAME, IF THE APPLICANT CAME BACK WITH OPTIONS, UH, ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS.

YEAH, I OKAY, SIR.

I, I, I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

I MEAN, WE HAD THE DRC, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, SO JUST KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND.

APPLICANT'S, THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? MAYOR, I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

UM, IT'S, UH, HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION.

THE, UH, APPLICANT'S HERE IN PERSON.

PLEASE STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PODIUM PLEASE, AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

GUA LAROSA, UH, PARTIAL OWNER OF 3, 2, 2.

LAMAR, THANK YOU.

QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, YES I HAVE.

UM, WELL, MY QUESTION PRIMARILY IS TO STAFF, UM, AND I'M JUST ASSUMING THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT, JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE REPAIR OR THE, UM, YEAH, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE FISH SCALE SHINGLES ON THE GABLES AS PART OF THIS PACKAGE.

OTHERWISE, UM, THE OTHER WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IS TO THE GUIDELINES AND IS FINE.

YEAH, SO I CAN, EDWARD, I GOT IT.

UM, SO THERE WAS THAT DISCUSSION WHEN THE STIPULATION AT THE LAST HEARING.

UM, SO AFTER THAT HEARING, WE CHECKED OUR NOTES AND LOOKED AT PAST APPROVALS, PULLED UP ALL THE EMAILS, AND SO THE APPLICANT HERE DID REQUEST, UM, APPROVAL TO REPLACE, SO JUST FYI, THERE WAS A FIRE IN THE ATTIC SPACE AND SO THE

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ENTIRE ROOF WAS RECONSTRUCTED, UH, WITH APPROVALS.

AND SO AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, THERE WAS A QUESTION TO BRIAN, THE CASE MANAGER ABOUT, UM, THE NEW SHINGLES.

AND SO WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS A WOOD SHAKE SHINGLE, AND THAT IS WHAT IS INSTALLED HERE.

IT'S JUST PAINTED.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS VIEWED AS AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT AND IT WAS APPROVED.

UM, SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A VIOLATION.

THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DON'T FEEL THERE'S A VIOLATION HERE.

THE PATTERN IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PATTERN THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY, BUT THOSE WEREN'T FISH SCALE, LIKE SHAPE, THEY WERE JUST IN A PATTERN THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE.

SO SINCE IT WAS, IT WAS WOOD TO WOOD, UNDER WHAT DOCUMENT WAS THE REPLACEMENT APPROVED? THERE WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE COA ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, WHAT DATE? UM, PRIOR TO WHEN YOU SAW THIS VIOLATION, IT WAS PROBABLY EARLIER IN THE YEAR.

WAS IT, THERE WAS AN ADMIN COA ISSUED AUGUST 12TH THAT, UH, A LOUD SPOT REPAIR, EXISTING SIGHTING IN KIND WHOLESALE SIDING REPLACEMENT IS NOT REQUESTED NOR APPROVED AT THIS TIME.

AND THIS IS THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT SPEAKS TO SIDING REPAIR ON THE EXPLORER MAP.

SO, UH, WHAT OTHER COA WAS THERE? BRIAN'S PULLING IT UP NOW.

SO THERE, THERE WAS AN EMAIL APPROVAL, BUT THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPDATED AND ISSUED IN THE COA.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS IN VIOLATION HERE.

UM, THEY REQUESTED APPROVAL AND GOT APPROVAL.

WE JUST REALLY SHOULD HAVE UPDATED THE COA HERE.

SO YOU'RE ISSUING APPROVALS WITHOUT ISSUING COAS.

SO YOU'RE DOING IT OUT OF THE PUBLIC VIEW, UM, AND NOT INCLUDING IT IN THE PACKAGE TO BENEFIT THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY A REPLACEMENT, NOT A REPAIR.

THERE IS LESS THAN TYPICALLY FOR WINDOWS WHEN WE REQUEST A WINDOW REPAIR.

UM, AT LEAST 50% OF THAT WINDOW NEEDS TO BE DAMAGED BEFORE WE CAN BEGIN REPLACING MATERIAL.

AND THE DAMAGE FROM THE FIRE WAS FAR LESS THAN 50%.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, I JUST, THIS COULD BEEN A, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DAMAGE TO THE SIDING? PARDON? ON THE OUTSIDE, IT LOOKED ON THE FISH SCALE ON, ON THE FISH ON THE OUTSIDE.

IT LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM THE INSIDE.

WHAT HAPPENS IS WE TAKE IT APART, WE DISASSEMBLE IT, WE USE IT AGAIN.

AND, AND MA'AM, UH, WE TRY, THANK YOU.

WE TRIED, UH, WE TRIED TO SAVE THIS FISH SCALE, BUT ON THE INSIDE IT WAS CHARRED WHERE WHEN WE WERE PULLING IT OFF, IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF VERY BRITTLE.

I I ALSO HAVE TO ABIDE BY CODE, RIGHT? BUT AS FAR AS AS AS ME, I SUBMITTED THE DOCUMENTS AND I GOT APPROVAL FOR THE MATERIAL.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M HERE FOR.

WE TYPICALLY WOULD WE, WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS THE COA WOULD'VE BEEN REISSUED TO INCLUDE THE, UH, SHINGLE SPECIFICATION THAT WAS APPROVED.

CONSIDERING THIS IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE MATERIAL, TYPICALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL FIND SALVAGED SHINGLE OR HAVE IT MADE SO THAT THE THICKNESS IS SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THE REPLACEMENT, WHETHER IT'S WOOD, IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE CEMENT BOARD BECAUSE THE PROJECTION OF THAT MATERIAL IS REALLY, REALLY THIN.

IT'S CEMENT BOARD, RIGHT? NO, IT'S, IT'S WOOD.

IT'S WOOD.

IT'S REALLY THIN.

UM, IT IS THIN, BUT, BUT THE INTENT IS THAT IT LOOK ORIGINAL.

MAYBE WE CAN'T USE THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL LIKE YOU SAID, BECAUSE IT'S DAMAGED.

BUT THERE IS AN EFFORT AND THERE'S USUALLY A REQUIREMENT OR A REQUEST THAT IS, UM, THAT WE USE MATERIAL THAT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL.

UM, OFTENTIMES WE'LL TAKE MATERIAL FROM A LESS VISIBLE ELEVATION SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THE FRONT ELEVATION.

UM, WE DO THAT WITH WINDOWS, WE DO THAT WITH TRIMS AND OTHER ITEMS. SO I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT THIS ACTION WOULD TAKE PLACE ON SUCH A PROMINENT, PROMINENT, UH, ELEVATION WHEN THE DAMAGE WAS RELATIVELY MINOR.

I CAN SAY I DID GO TO A BUNCH.

SO LET ME, LET ME INTERRUPT FOR A QUICK MOMENT HERE PLEASE.

SO, UM, SIR, I THANK YOU.

I MEAN, I'LL GIVE YOU, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE YOUR LAST COMMENTS, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS HERE, THE, THE ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE APPLICANT HERE.

IT'S IT'S COURSE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF.

YES SIR.

AND SO HE DID WHAT HE FELT AS THOUGH IT WAS RIGHT BECAUSE HE GOT THE APPROVAL.

IT'S JUST THAT IT WASN'T THE PROCEDURE.

YES, I AGREE.

THAT WASN'T FOLLOWED UP HERE.

SO, SO, UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS, SIR, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.

BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THEY, THEY, THE OHPA PROVIDED ME OFF, UH, A BUNCH OF STORES TO ATTEND IN DOWNTOWN TO S FIND SALVAGE MATERIAL.

NOBODY HAS THAT MATERIAL.

I SEARCHED THE INTERNET FOR TO FIND THE MOST EXACT, THIS IS NOT AN EASY MATERIAL TO, TO COME ACROSS.

AND THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS TO, I GUESS TRY TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT'LL MAKE IT.

NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO, I COULDN'T FIND NOBODY I COULDN'T FIND, I SPENT LIKE TWO MONTHS TRYING TO FIND THIS MATERIAL MA'AM, AND I COULD NOT FIND IT.

UM, PER HAND, BUT

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THAT'S WHY WHEN I FINALLY GOT IT, I WAS LIKE, I GOTTA GET THIS APPROVED AND THIS IS THE CLOSEST THAT I COULD, THAT I CAME ACROSS.

UM, YES, BUT THE ISSUE BEING IS HOW THIS WAS PROCESSED.

UM, UM, WE ALSO HAVE A SALVAGE WAREHOUSE THAT THE CITY OWNS.

UM, AND I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THAT SALVAGE MATERIAL WOULD BE FROM OTHER STRUCTURES AND, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS LIKE THIS SHOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY'RE IN A PINCH.

LIKE YOU'RE IN.

GOING BACK TO THE PROCESS, UM, UM, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MOVING FORWARD, HOW DO WE GO THROUGH CASES SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE, UH, THE RESTORATION ISN'T COMPLETE BUT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTATION, UM, STAFF.

HOW DO WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO? I HAVE ADMITTED THAT WE MADE A MISTAKE.

UM, WE NORMALLY DO REISSUE THE COAS AND WE STRIVE FOR NOT, NOT TO HAPPEN.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ERROR, MR. CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO DO A MOTION FOR THIS CASE.

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE THE MOTION.

THE FISCAL ON EITHER SIDE, ON THE BOTH SIDES IN THE BACK, IS THAT STILL THERE? THERE WAS NO FISH SCALE ON THOSE, ON THOSE SIDES ON THE SIDE.

THE, THE ONLY PLACE THAT HAD FISH SCALE WAS THE FRONT INCORRECT.

THERE'S A PICTURE WHERE IT SHOWS THE FISH.

AND YEAH, IT'S NOT THERE.

IT'S JUST SIDING.

IT'S JUST AND WHAT ABOUT THE BACK? THE BACK WAS RE COMPLETELY DONE.

SO THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT FISH SCALE.

AND THE FISH SCALE FOR THAT WAS BACK THERE IS GONE.

RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT WAS NOT DAMAGED.

THE BACK WAS NOT THERE, THERE WAS NO FISH SCALE ON THE BACK.

THE WHOLE ROOF.

THE WHOLE ROOF HAD TO BE, IT WAS GUTTED THE WHOLE ROOF.

IF I HAVE PICTURES OF I NEED TO GO FIND THEM, I WILL FIND THEM.

THE WHOLE ROOF OF THAT HOUSE WAS GONE DEMOLISHED BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE HAD CITY COME OUT AND HEY, HOW DO WE DO THIS TO CODE BECAUSE OF THE SMOKE DAMAGE TO ALL THE WOOD THAT'S UP THERE, ALL THE SHINGLES, EVERYTHING.

THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU CAN'T REUSE NONE OF THIS.

I MAYBE WE DID AN ERROR AT THAT POINT, BUT WHEN WE WERE PULLING IT OFF, I REMEMBER THAT FISH SCALE, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD IT IS.

IT WASN'T, IT, IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD EASILY KEEP AND PUT IT BACK ON STAFF.

CAN YOU BRING UP THE PICTURE OF THE BACK PLEASE? DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PAGE NUMBER YOU WANT ME TO JUMP TO? IN AROUND 54 SHOWS THE SIDE IN AND AROUND 54.

IT SHOWS THE SIDES TOO.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, IF YOU DIDN'T KEEP ANY OF THAT MATERIAL RIGHT? NO SIR.

PHOTO 52, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

PLEASE.

IF YOU WERE ABLE TO FIND, UM, THE MATERIAL, WOULD YOU REPLACE IT WITH A CORRECT MATERIAL? I DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT, MA'AM.

BUT I, I, I COULD TRY MY BEST IF I, IF I MEAN I ALREADY JUST THE FRONT, THE MA JUST THE FRONT LITTLE PIECE THAT WAS A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN MATERIAL.

NOW I DON'T, I'M NOT MADE OUTTA PO I, I SWEAR IT'S, IT'S EXP THE PIECE THAT I REPLACED, THAT WE REPLACED THAT COST US A THOUSAND DOLLARS 'CAUSE IT WAS SHIPPED FROM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I FOUND IT ON INTERNET AND I GOT IT APPROVED.

IT WAS EXPENSIVE.

NOW TO REPLICATE THAT TO IDEAL, I DON'T, I DON'T, IF I CAN FIND THE MATERIAL, I'LL HAVE SOMEBODY OUT AND GET A BID AND SEE AND I'LL TRY TO HONOR IT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE JUST 'CAUSE I'VE TRIED TO MAKE YOU, EVERY TIME WE'VE COME UP HERE OR ANYTIME ISSUE WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE, I VOICED MY OPINION, BUT YET WE'VE ALWAYS CAME THROUGH.

'CAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE WANNA DO BUSINESS.

SO IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR, WE CAN DO IT.

BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO SAVE SOME, SOME MONEY I GUESS.

SURE, SURE.

SO YOU COULD DO THAT IF, UM, BUT WE'RE STIPULATED AND THEN IF WE FIND THE, IF THE MATERIAL JUST MAGICALLY APPEARS, WELL IF WE CAN FIND IT, MAYBE WE CAN DO A SEARCH.

FOLLOWED THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT OHP HAS PROVIDED TO YOU.

AND HELP.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP.

SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO APPROVE SECOND.

CAN I COMMENTS? OKAY, SECOND.

GO AHEAD.

THE COMMENT IS, UM, THE APPLICANT DID RECEIVE, UH, AN APPROVAL.

SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T, I MEAN, YES, WE CAN HAVE LENGTHY DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE IN OTHER CASES, BUT IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE WHAT HE DID ASK AND HE GOT APPROVAL.

THIS IS NOT A VIOLATION THAT HE ACTUALLY DID GET APPROVAL.

SO MR. HOLLAND? YEAH.

UM, IT REVIEWING THIS CASE, AND IT'S BEEN IN FRONT OF US A COUPLE TIMES.

YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE

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SO I DON'T, I I DO SEE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOME DISCUSSION ON PROCEDURES WITHIN, YOU KNOW, ON OUR SIDE OF THE TABLE, BUT I'M NOT SEEING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT FEELS FRUITLESS TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HOLD YOU TO A STANDARD THAT YOU WEREN'T ASKED TO BE HELD TO IN THE BEGINNING.

OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SIR.

AND I, I'D LIKE TO ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

UM, THE, UM, YOU DID WHAT YOU, UM, WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.

I MEAN, YOU DID WHAT YOU NEEDED TO GET DONE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL ISSUES OR WHATEVER AND THOSE HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR FAULT.

I MEAN, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE FISH SCALE ON THE SIDE, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE OR WHY THAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT NEVERTHELESS YOU DID RECEIVE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

UM, SO WE'RE GOOD THERE.

SO, UM, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS FOR PROFITABLE? UM, IF, IF APPROVED, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE, WE NEED THIS TAX MONEY AND WE FIND THE MATERIAL, MA'AM, I WILL GET IT INSTALLED.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? IN AYE.

SINA NAY MUAH AYE GROUP.

FETZER, FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 12, SAYS 3 54 EAST ATCH.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS JOHN LOGAN.

UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE DO HAVE UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

UM, I ASK BEFORE YOU START, IF, UM, IF WHOEVER IS GOING TO SPEAK OR IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK AFTERWARDS, MAKE SURE WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU START SPEAKING.

I'M JOHN LOGAN.

USE THE MIC PLEASE, SIR.

OH, OH, IT WAS ON, UH, JOHN LOGAN WITH WITTY CONSTRUCTION.

QUESTION ABOUT THE APPLICANT? YEP.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

HI, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND STICKING AROUND FOR THIS.

I PULLED THIS CASE BECAUSE I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE DRAWINGS, THE ELEVATIONS THAT APPEAR IN THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE AS WELL AS THE LATE SUBMITTAL, UH, DRAWINGS.

SO YOU'RE REQUESTING, UH, A NUMBER OF REHAB AND RES UH, RESTORATION AND REPAIR ACTIONS AND YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF OF THE MAIN ROOF, CORRECT? YES.

THE DRAWINGS TO ME APPEAR THAT ONE MEANS, OR ONE WAY YOU'RE GETTING TO THAT IS YOU'RE RAISING THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE.

IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? PLATE HEIGHT DOESN'T THE WALL HEIGHT? NO.

IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE DRAWINGS.

CAN I? YEAH.

HI, I'M DAN GONZALEZ.

I'M, UH, DID THE PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS FOR THIS AND WHAT IT IS, IS THAT THE ACTUAL PLATE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR STAYS THE SAME, BUT, UH, IN THE ORIGINAL SCHEME, THE PITCH OF THE ROOF WAS RIGHT ON THAT PLATE.

AND SO WHAT THE, THE CLIENT WAS ASKING IF WE COULD RAISE, SORT OF DO A THREE OR FOUR FEET HIGH IN THE ATTIC MM-HMM .

AND SO RAISE THE ROOF ITSELF.

SO, BUT THE ORIGINAL PLATE STAYS THE SAME ON THE GROUND FLOOR.

TAKE A LOOK AT, ON THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE, MAY WE SEE PAGE NINE THAT SHOW THE FRONT ELEVATIONS.

THERE'S A BEFORE AND AN AFTER.

SO THIS TELLS ME THAT IN THE ABOVE WE SEE THE PLATE HEIGHT, THE TOP OF THE WALL PLATE HEIGHT, NOT THE BOTTOM SILL, BUT THE TOP PLATE HEIGHT.

AT WHAT, WHAT'S THE HEIGHT RIGHT NOW? THE CURRENT, OH, THE OTHER ISSUE TOO IS THAT THE ENGINEER WAS SPECIFYING A, UH, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A TWO BY FOUR CEILING JOIST.

UH, SO HE WAS SPECIFYING A 16 INCH, UH, I GUESS A FLOOR JOIST ON THAT.

SO THAT RAISED IT UP THAT LITTLE BIT AND THEN THE OWNER WANTED A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, UH, IN THE ATTIC.

SO YOUR, OKAY, SO YOUR WALL HEIGHT FOR THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY INCREASED BY HOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY FEET? FOUR FEET, I GUESS TO FOUR FEET.

THE RIDGE, THE, SO THE TRANSVERSE, UH, COMPONENT ROOF UHHUH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GOING UP AND THAT'S GOING UP ABOUT FOUR FEET.

ARE YOU CHANGING THE PITCH? NO, IT'S THE SAME PITCH.

SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE TAKING THAT ROOF THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE PITCH AND YOU'RE LIFTING THAT ROOF ON THE WALL BY FOUR FEET, RIGHT.

IN THE ATTIC SPACE? YES.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? AND YES, THAT TOP PLATE WAS, IS BIGGER BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

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UH, QUESTION, RAISING THAT RIDGE HEIGHT, DOES THAT AFFECT, UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT CHIMNEY? YES.

SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO RAISE AS WELL YES.

TO MEET CODE FOR CLEARANCES? CORRECT.

SO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TOP OF THE CHIMNEY AND THE TOP OF THE RIDGE WILL REMAIN THE SAME, CORRECT? CORRECT.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, WAS THAT IN THE APPLICATION TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY THROUGH THE UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU ASKING IF THAT WAS A REQUEST ITEM? YES.

UH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S SHOWN HERE, SO STAFF TAKES IT AS WE DISCUSSED THE CHIMNEY HEIGHT RAISING.

I THINK IT'S ALSO CODE THAT THE TOP OF THE CHIMNEY BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISTANCE ABOVE THE ACTUAL ROOF STRUCTURE.

IM PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A HIGHER RIDGE HEIGHT FOR THE HOUSE WITHOUT INCREASING THE WALL PLATE HEIGHT OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED.

UH, YES.

THE REASON WHY I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT IS THIS, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS SORT OF A TUDOR, UM, REVIVAL HOUSE.

AND BY RAISING THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT BY FOUR FEET, IT'S ABOUT 40% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE.

THE PROPORTION THAT ONE WOULD SEE IN A TUDOR REVIVAL HAS SUDDENLY GONE AWAY.

UM, IT BECOMES MUCH LARGER EVERYWHERE, INCLUDING THE CHIMNEY IN THE FRONT.

SUDDENLY WE'VE LOST THAT HISTORIC HOUSE.

I CAN SEE ADJUSTING FOR A, A TWO BY 12 TO HOLD UP YOUR SECOND FLOOR.

BUT ANYTHING ADDITION TO THAT, UM, IS, IS AN ABERRATION OF WHAT THIS HOUSE WAS.

AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP YOUR PLATE HEIGHT AS IT'S ORIGINALLY SHOWN AS IT ORIGINALLY EXISTED.

WHEN YOU SAY PLATE HEIGHT, THAT'S OF THE ORIGINAL, THE GROUND FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT.

TOP OF, TOP OF WALL OF THE FIRST FLOOR.

AND I THINK THAT WAS INITIAL, THE INITIAL DESIGN.

WE RAISED EVERYTHING UP AND IT LOOKED KIND OF WEIRD.

SO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF, THEY SUGGESTED MAYBE JUST THE BACK PART GET RAISED UP AND THE, AND THE FRONT STAY PRETTY MUCH WHERE IT IS.

JUST FOR THE SAME REASONS.

I BELIEVE THE MOTION ASKS FOR THE, THE ORIGINAL PLATE HEIGHT IN THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE.

MR. CHAIR? MA'AM, MY CONCERN IS I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE CORRECT? THAT, I MEAN, YEAH, I KNOW YOUR MOTION IS THAT, BUT IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE? WELL, I GUESS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THE PLATE HEIGHT RIGHT NOW IS AT NINE FEET, THREE INCHES.

THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.

WE'RE GONNA ADD A 16 INCH, UH, LVL OR SOME WHATEVER THE ENGINEER SPECIFIES ON TOP OF THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA RAISE UP THE, UH, THE, THE, WHAT IS IT? THE EAST WEST ROOF.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE, THE FLOOR OF THE SECOND STORY THAT IS GETTING TALLER.

THE FIRST STORY IS NOT GETTING TALLER.

SO LET'S GO TO SLIDE NINE.

COMMISSIONER SAVINA, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERIOR WALL, RIGHT? OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXTERIOR? THE EXTERIOR ON THE INSIDE.

SO YOU WANT THAT ROOF LINE TO BE, LOOK AT THE, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.

YOU WANT THE BOTTOM OF THE ROOF TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS.

THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE EDGE, THE EAVE TO THE TOP OF THE WINDOW.

SO MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, IS THAT POSSIBLE WITH RAISING THE ROOF? WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO OVERHANG.

WE PROBABLY HAVE TO DO AN OVERHANG JUST TO GIVE IT THAT LOOK, THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT.

THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT.

UM, JUST NOT THE WAY YOU'RE DOING IT.

SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS DO IS FIGURE THAT OUT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE KNEE WALLS ON THE INSIDE, WHICH BRINGS IN, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE ROOF WHERE IT IS.

YOU, YOU HAVE A KNEE WALL WITH ANOTHER PLATE AT ABOUT FOUR FEET INSIDE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL IT INSIDE THE, THE FINISHED ATTIC SPACE.

THAT'S JUST ONE WAY.

LINES ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR OR THE FRONT WINDOWS.

JUST, UH, AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT MODIFYING ANY OF THE ROOF

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IT REALLY IS JUST THAT THE FRONT GABLES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH, I BELIEVE THEY RAISED BY A FOOT.

ORIGINALLY WE TOOK, WHEN WE TOOK THE RIDGE HEIGHT, WE RAISED THE FRONT GABLES PROPORTIONALLY OH UH, OHP DIDN'T LIKE THAT.

SO THEY WANTED US TO KEEP THEM SIMILAR TO THE SAME SIZE THAT THEY ARE NOW.

SO I BELIEVE THEY RAISED ONE FOOT, WHICH IS IN THE CASE FILE, I BELIEVE.

SO I'M JUST NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MOTION JUST BECAUSE I AM NOT SURE IT'S POSSIBLE.

AND MAYBE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT THE APPLICANT IN A POSITION, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT COULD WITHDRAW.

GO BACK WITH THE COMMENTS HERE NOW AND, AND COME BACK AND SEE IF IT IS A SOLUTION.

'CAUSE IF IT'S NOT REALLY, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE SUGGESTION MEANS THAT WHATEVER SPACE IS GONNA BE USED UP, THERE'S GONNA GET ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT SMALLER BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING THE WALLS IN.

THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE DOING IT IS BECAUSE YOU NEED THE SPACE.

SO I MEAN, THEN YOU COULD JUST BASICALLY WITHDRAW, DO THE SAME YOU'D HAVE RIGHT NOW.

WE DID PROVIDE AN EXISTING, A GOOD SOLUTION IN OUR IDEAL SOLUTION, UM, THAT WAS ON ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS AND SUBMITTED THAT TO OHP.

THAT'S WHEN THEY SAID THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE RIDGE HEIGHT.

WE WANTED TO GO, BUT THEY WANTED THE GABLES TO COME DOWN.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD AND THAT'S WHAT WE PROVIDED.

OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

WHAT, SO, AND MAYBE YOU SAID THIS, SO FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED IT.

DID.

WHAT IS THERE, WHAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND NOT KEEPING IT THE WAY THAT IT INITIALLY WAS? JUST REBUILDING IT THE WAY THAT IT WAS? SO THE, THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATIONS BROUGHT WITH THE BEEFED UP CEILING JOISTS, IT BROUGHT IT UP A CERTAIN AMOUNT, WHICH WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER A FOOT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A TWO BY FOUR, UH, RAFTERS OR JOISTS.

AND SO SINCE IT'S GONNA BE AN OCCUPIED SPACE, THE ENGINEER RECOMMENDS A 16 INCH, UH, LVL OR WHATEVER TO, SO THAT'S GONNA RAISE IT UP AT LEAST THAT MUCH.

BUT, AND AT THAT POINT, THE OWNER, THE OWNER WAS SAYING, CAN WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT TO MAKE THE SPACE MORE USABLE? AND SO INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, GOING TO FULL HEIGHT, WE SAID, WELL, LET'S GO THREE OR FOUR FEET, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE PROPORTIONS DOWN.

UH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

COMMISSIONER FE TOTAL, TOTAL, IT'S TOTAL IS, IS FOUR FEET.

SO IT'S THE 18 INCHES PLUS WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF FEET IN THE AT.

AND BECAUSE OF THE PITCHES OF THE ROOF, IT WAS DONE TO GET SOME MORE HEAD HEIGHT INSIDE THAT UPSTAIRS AREA.

BUT THE MAIN DRIVER BEING TO END UP WITH MORE SPACE THAN WE INITIALLY HAD BEFORE THE FIRE IN THE, IN THE SECOND FLOOR.

CORRECT.

THANKS.

SO SOME OF IT'S BASED ON THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION.

SOME OF IT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

HI, SHERIFF FETCHER.

AND AGAIN, WE DID OFFER ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS.

A MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION, AN ALTERNATE MOTION.

UH, I CAN SEE TO SEND THIS TO A DRC AND ASK THE APPLICANTS TO COME BACK WITH, UH, BUILDING SECTIONS EAST, WEST, NORTH, SOUTH, SHOWING WHAT EXISTING ATTIC SPACE IS AND WHAT YOUR PROPOSED ATTIC SPACE IS, UH, SO THAT WE COULD, UH, TRY TO SEE THE JUSTIFICATION FOR INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.

I'LL SECOND THANK IT'S BEEN MOVED PROPERLY.

SECOND DISCUSSION.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE FIRST MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

YES, MA'AM.

I THINK, UH, WE JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

UM, Y'ALL ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND WHAT YOU WANT TO, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.

AND I THINK, UM, THERE'S ENOUGH, UH, CONFUSION HERE OR, UH, LACK OF SUPPORT THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE, UH, DRAWINGS, UM, TO SEE HOW MUCH, UH, HEIGHT AND, AND SQUARE FOOTAGE OR HEIGHT YOU'RE GETTING IN THE, IN THE UPPER FLOOR THAT, UH, UM, MAY OR MAY NOT BE JUSTIFIED.

SPACE AND WHAT THE ENGINEERS, I GET IT.

COMMISSIONER SANTES? NO, I JUST, I I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

UH, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANT THE APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DESIGN CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING AND HOW IT, HOW IT IMPACTS THE, THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE, THE OVERALL LOOK OF THE HOUSE, THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE, UM, JUST KIND OF COME THAT COME WITH THAT IN MIND.

YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE PRACTICALITY OF WANTING MORE

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AND THE CHALLENGES IS FINDING DESIGN AND ENGINEER TO COEXIST SO THAT YOU CAN COMPLETE, CONTINUE TO HAVE THE AESTHETIC OF THE HISTORIC, UH, DESIGN ELEMENT OF THE HOUSE.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? IN AYE.

ITEM NUMBER 13, PLEASE.

ITEM NUMBER 13, 1 42 ARMOR PLACE.

UM, THE APPLICANT, JIM BAILEY IS HERE, UM, COMMISSIONERS.

UM, HE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.

UM, HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS UNLESS YOU'D LIKE ME TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU, YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST.

I KNOW HE JUST DID, BUT I WANNA HEAR IT FROM YOU.

SO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

OH YEAH.

JIM BAILEY, 1 42 R MORE THANK YOU QUESTIONS? YES.

UM, THE RIVER ROAD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM, YOU'VE DISCUSSED THINGS WITH THEM, UH, AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.

UH, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS EXPRESSED IN ONE OF THE LETTERS FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR FOR DRAINAGE.

UM, AND YOU HAD MADE SOME, UH, OVERTURES TO MAKE THOSE, UH, CORRECTIONS OR, ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.

WE'VE BEEN, UH, I, I BOUGHT THE PLACE PROBABLY SIX MONTHS AGO NOW, AND IT'S ORIGINALLY PURPOSE BUILT IS FOR, UH, 600 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENTS.

I'M KIND OF LIVING IN THE UPSTAIRS TWO APARTMENTS RIGHT NOW.

ALL MY OTHER STUFF IS, IS DOWNSTAIRS AT THE MOMENT.

UM, WANNA GET THE CARPORT AND SHED BUILT FIRST SO THAT I HAVE A WORKSHOP SO THAT I CAN BEGIN THE WORK ON THE MAIN HOUSE.

UM, BUT I'VE BEEN IN ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH BRADLEY AND GEMMA FOR SIX MONTHS.

UM, THEY'VE MADE ALL THEIR CONCERNS VERY CLEAR.

WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER.

UM, WE PARTNERED UP ON A FENCE EXTENSION, UM, THAT WAS A STAFF APPROVED, UH, C OF A THAT CAME THROUGH.

UM, THEY'VE EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT VIEWS IN THE FUTURE.

I HAPPEN TO SHARE ALL, I ACTUALLY SHARE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE CONCERNS IN THEIR, UH, LETTER.

AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A VARIETY OF SOLUTIONS FOR ALL OF THESE.

THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN ART PIECE FOR EXTENSION OF THEIR FENCE, OR DO WE DO VINES ON MY SIDE OR DO WE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE IT WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT SORT OF A SEE-THROUGH FENCE WITH, WITH, UM, HORIZONTAL SLATS.

YOU KNOW, DO WE COME BACK IN TO MAINTAIN THE AIRFLOW THROUGH AND DO ANOTHER SET OF OFFSETS, SLATS, OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS AT PLAY.

UH, I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE.

UH, MY SLOT, MY LOT SLOPES DIRECTLY DOWN TO RIVER ROAD AND INTO THE RIVER.

UM, THE GRADE IS THE SAME AT THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT IT, IT BEGINS TO SLOPE, UM, TOWARD THEIR PROPERTY.

THERE'S FIVE FEET BETWEEN THE, THE CARPORT AND THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A DRAINAGE SWELL.

UM, THE, THE GRADE TOWARD THE RIVER'S ALREADY IN PLACE.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF CREATING A SIMPLE DITCH.

BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, BRADLEY AND GEMMA AND I ARE GONNA BE NEIGHBORS FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES, I HOPE.

AND SO MY INTENT IS TO MAKE THEM AS HAPPY AS ANYONE CAN BE.

AND WE, WE'VE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS.

THEY PLANTED A COUPLE OF TREES ON THE SITE AND, YOU KNOW, I'M WATERING THOSE AND WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, WHICH INVASIVE TREES ARE COMING OUT AND WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE STAYING.

SO JUST TYPICAL NEIGHBOR CONVERSATION.

UM, SO I AM A MEMBER OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

I JOINED AS QUICKLY AS I COULD.

UM, I INVITED, UH, THE CHAIR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, BARBARA, TO AN INITIAL MEETING THAT I HAD WITH ANYBODY I COULD THINK OF IN THE NEAR VICINITY THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED OR MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANYTHING VISUAL OR DRAINAGE OR TREES OR WHATEVER.

UM, AND INVITED THEM ALL OVER TO MY HOUSE.

I HAD THE, UH, PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE STAKED OUT AND I HAD THIS PRESENTATION EXACTLY READY FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.

I GOT FOUND, UM, NOTHING BUT, UM, EXUBERANT SUPPORT FROM MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS EXCEPT GEMMA, WHO WAS VERY CONCERNED.

AND, AND BRADLEY OBVIOUSLY WHO WAS CONCERNED ON HER BEHALF.

AND SO, UM, WE THEN TOOK ANOTHER AND BARBARA, BARBARA WAS THERE, SAW IT ALL.

UM, AND, UM, WE CONTINUED TO MEET BRADLEY AND I INTENSIVELY TO AGREE ON THAT SORT OF LIST, LIST OF THINGS WHICH WOULD CAUSE THEM TO ISSUE US A LETTER OF NO OBJECTION, MR. CHAIR.

I JUST WANTED TO, UH, WE

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GOT THE LETTERS.

I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT YOU WERE ON BOARD WITH ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS.

OH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND WILLING TO WORK WITH, I I SHARE ALL OF THE CONCERNS.

COMMISSIONER GROUP, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

YOU ARE ONLY RECOMMENDING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THE STUDIO.

UM, IT'S FINAL, IT'S BASED ON THE WINDOWS CONCEPTUAL FOR THE STUDIO AND FINAL FOR THE CARDBOARD.

I'M NOT, I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT THE STUDIO.

OKAY, SO YOU ARE ASKING THAT'S ME FOR OKAY.

'CAUSE THAT WASN'T WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE ASK.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

I'D LIKE TO BUILD A CARPORT NOW, BUT I, I JUST WANNA THINK ABOUT THE STUDIO A LITTLE MORE.

SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.

UM, A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UM, REQUEST ALONG WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

ALRIGHT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON.

ITEM 16, PLEASE.

UM, UM, LET THE RECORD REFLECT, UM, COMMISSIONER SABINO IS RECUSING FROM THE ITEM AND IS LEAVING THE ROOM.

WHAT THE RECORD REFLECTS.

COMMISSIONER SABINO HAS LEFT THE ROOM.

ITEM 16, PLEASE DO I WAIT FOR HER TO BACK BEFORE SHE, YEAH, JUST WAIT FOR A MOMENT PLEASE, SIR.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 HGRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 3 3 8 13 15 EAST PYRON AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT 1315 EAST PIRON AVENUE LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION.

HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY OHB STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, INCORPORATING STIPULATIONS APPROVED BY THE HTRC TO INCLUDE A SETBACK DIAGRAM CONFIRMATION ON TOTAL RIDGE HEIGHT AND A FOUNDATION HEIGHT CONSISTENT WITH GUIDELINES TWO, THAT LAPSE SIDING USE FEATURE TO REVEAL NO LARGER THAN FIVE INCHES AND A SMOOTH FINISH.

THREE, THE, THE WINDOWS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED.

AS NOTED IN FINDING L AND M, WINDOWS THAT ARE GROUPED SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY MULIAN OF SIX INCHES AND WIDTH.

ADDITIONALLY, WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE EQUAL SIZE SASHES FOUR THAT A WALKWAY FEATURING THREE TO FOUR FEET AND WIDTH BE INSTALLED WITHIN THE FRONT YARD.

AS NOTED IN FINDING N FIVE, THAT THE, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH AS NOTED IN FINDING Q SIX, THAT THE VISUAL PROMINENCE OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE BE REDUCED BY DECREASING THE FRONT SET PACK AT THE FRONT BEDROOM WALL BY A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET AND SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOOR OR GARAGE DOOR WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT A FULL WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE.

ADDITIONALLY, THE GARAGE MUST FEATURE, DESIGNED TO MIMIC A TWO DOOR APPEARANCE.

FINAL GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THE PROPERTY OWNER, JOSE, UH, CHARRO IS HERE IN PERSON.

UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS CONFIRMED WITH STAFF THAT THEY AGREE WITH STIPULATIONS, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS MINUS STIPULATION TWO, FIVE, AND A PORTION OF SIX, WHICH YOU'LL, UM, YOU'LL EXPLAIN NOW, UM, MR. CHARLIE, YOU HAVE, UH, 15 MINUTES.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

MY NAME IS JOSE SHIAU.

I AM THE HOMEOWNER OF 1315 EAST PIRON, AND I AM, UM, GLAD TO BE AT THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE THAT, UM, I CAN TASTE IT AND TASTE GOOD.

SO, UM, MY WIFE AND I ARE WANTING TO BUILD THIS HOME AS A, UH, HOME TO RAISE OUR SON WHO WILL BE HERE IN THREE WEEKS.

AND, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, FIRST IS NUMBER TWO, THAT THE LAP SIDING BE USED, FEATURE OR REVEAL NO LARGER THAN FIVE INCHES AND A SMOOTH FINISH, SINCE THIS IS GONNA BE ONLY IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND NOT VISIBLE, UM, TO ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I'M REQUESTING IF IT'S EIGHT INCH POSSIBLE IN THE BACK.

UM, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE EIGHT INCH IS THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR THE BUILDER THAT WE HAVE.

UM, WHAT THEY MENTIONED WAS IF WE WERE TO DO A FIVE INCH, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PURCHASE MATERIALS OF EIGHT INCH AND HAVE TO CUT THEM DOWN TO FIVE INCH WASTING MATERIALS.

UM, AND, UH, OCCURRING ADDITIONAL COSTS.

UM, SO I WANTED TO GET THE, UM,

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APPROVAL FOR THE EIGHT INCH, UM, ALSO IN SIX, UM, THAT THE VISUAL PROMINENCE OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE BE REDUCED BY DECREASING THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE HOME, THE BEDROOM WALL BY A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET.

UM, THAT WAS, UH, I BELIEVE AS MR. CERV, UM, PUT IT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION FROM OUR LAST MEETING.

I WANTED TO SEE IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO GET A TWO FOOT INSTEAD OF A THREE FOOT, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT IS OCCURRING COST.

UM, IF IT IS, UH, THREE FOOT, IF THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION, I AM HAPPY TO, TO DO IT.

IT'S GOING TO INCUR MORE COST AS WE ARE INCREASING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME AND WE ARE PAYING PER SQUARE FOOT.

UM, LAST, UH, QUESTION IS, UH, FIVE THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN 10 FEET AND WIDTH AS NOTED IN FINDING Q.

UM, I AM ASKING IF WE CAN DO A, UH, 20 FOOT OR ANYTHING LARGER THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH, JUST BECAUSE WITH THE GARAGE, AS MY WIFE OR I HAVE TO BACK OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY, UH, ONE OF US WILL HAVE TO MAKE A MANEUVER TO, UM, FIT INTO THAT PLAN.

SO IF WE GO TO THE, UM, TO THE FLOOR PLANS, PLEASE.

UH, YES HERE.

SO, UM, AS SEEN ON THE CURRENT GARAGE, THE UH, DOOR WIDTH OF THIS WILL BE A 16 FOOT WIDE.

UM, WITH THE DRIVEWAY BEING LARGER THAN THAT, IF WE WERE TO TAPER DOWN INTO A 10 FOOT WIDE, UM, ENTRYWAY, IT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING FOR MY WIFE OR I, UM, WHICHEVER SIDE WE TAKE ON THAT PARKING SPACE TO EXIT OUR DRIVEWAY.

SO I'M JUST ASKING IF WE CAN, UM, CHANGE FIVE, UH, TO INCLUDE 20 FEET, UM, IF POSSIBLE OR ANYTHING LARGER THAN 10 WOULD WOULD BE IDEAL.

AND THAT IS EVERYTHING.

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

HEY, SIR.

YEAH, WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF, AND YOU, I, I DIDN'T HEAR IT RIGHT.

THE WIDTH OF THE GARAGE DOOR IS, SO THE GARAGE DOOR IS GOING TO BE 16 FEET WIDE.

UM, THE ACTUAL GARAGE WIDTH, UM, ACCORDING TO THIS LOOKS LIKE IT IS, UH, 21 AND A HALF.

UM, SO WE ARE JUST REQUESTING THAT.

SO CURRENTLY THE WAY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT IS THE SIDEWALK PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE 10 FEET WIDE.

IT WOULD GO UP A LITTLE FURTHER AND THEN WOULD BRANCH OFF INTO THE FULL WIDTH OF THE GARAGE.

SO WHAT I'M REQUESTING IS THAT WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER FOR US TO GET IN AND OUT, THAT EITHER WE MAKE IT, UH, STRAIGHT DOWN TO WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS EVEN THE ENTIRE WAY, OR, UM, THAT WE MAKE IT AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN 10 FEET.

SO TO BE EASIER FOR, UM, US TO GET IN OR OUT.

UH, IF, IF MY WIFE WAS, UH, PARKED IN AND THE HER VEHICLE WASN'T, UH, PUSHED UP ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, LET'S SAY IF WE HAD A, A GUEST OVER, UM, AND THEY WERE IN THE DRIVEWAY, THEN ALL VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE BLOCKED BECAUSE THAT ENTRYWAY IS ONLY 10 FEET.

SO I'M JUST REQUESTING THAT WE HAVE, UM, A WIDER OPENING THAN THAT 10 FEET.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. CERVANTES? YEAH.

AND, AND 16 FEET WOULD PUT IT ALL THE WAY, EVEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, TO THE APRON, RIGHT? WELL, 16 FEET WOULD, UM, ONLY MATCH THE DOOR OF THE GARAGE.

UM, THE GARAGE WIDTH WOULD BE WIDER THAN 16, BUT 16, YES, SIR.

WOULD LIKE THE DOOR RIGHT, WOULD MATCH THE, THE, THE DOOR OPENING.

PROMINENCE OF THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME, THEN I AM INCURRING AN EXTRA TWO SQUARE FEET OF COST, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE PUSHING THE BACK OF THE HOME FORWARD.

UM, LET'S SEE HERE.

UH, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH? THERE WAS TWO.

UH, SO IT, IT'S A TWO, FIVE AND SIX.

THE TWO.

SO TWO WAS FIVE INCH, UM, UH, SIDING.

GOT IT.

AND THE GARAGE, OR RATHER THE, UH, THE THREE FEET RECOMMENDED.

WHAT DID WE, UH, AFTER WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU COME UP WITH AS FAR AS THE DESIGN AND, AND THE, SO WHAT WE DID WAS, UM, IN OUR SKETCH PLANS WITH MY BUILDER, UM, WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO THREE FEET IF THAT'S WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE COMMISSION REQUIRES.

UM, I AM ASKING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO TWO FEET, UM, WITH A THREE FOOT, UM,

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SO IF WE WERE TO DO TWO FEET, THEN I'M ONLY GONNA BE CHARGED AN EXTRA ONE FOOT BY THE BUILDER.

SO IT WOULD SAVE ME A LITTLE BIT ON COST, UH, BY DOING TWO FEET INSTEAD OF THREE FEET.

SO IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE ON THE MASTER SUITE.

SO IF WE CAN ZOOM IN, UM, THE ORIGINAL FLOOR PLAN, UM, WHAT WE DID WAS, UH, WE WANTED A LITTLE BIT BIGGER OF A BEDROOM, SO I SAID, CAN YOU ADD A FOOT TO THE BEDROOM IN THE BACK? SO ALL THEY DID WAS BUMP OUT AN EXTRA FOOT IN THE BACK.

SO IT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A STEP IN THE BACK WITH THE COMMISSIONER WITH THE, UH, BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO PULL THAT, UH, LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME FORWARD.

WHAT WE DID WAS WE JUST PUSHED THAT ENTIRE LEFT SIDE, UH, FORWARD TO NOW BRING IN MORE.

SO THIS SHOWS TWO FEET, UM, ON THE DRAWING, WHICH IT WOULD NOW BE, UH, THREE FEET IF YOU GOT, IF THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT IN ITEM SIX.

BUT I'M REQUESTING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO STAY AT THIS TWO FEET.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I HAVE A MOTION WHENEVER.

COMMISSIONER GROUP.

I'M SORRY, I THINK IT'S THE FIRST TIME I SEE THIS.

IS THIS A WHOLE NEW CONSTRUCTION? YES, MA'AM.

THE, THE CURRENT HOME IS, UH, NOT, UH, THAT LIVABLE RIGHT NOW.

WE, MY FAMILY'S OWNED THIS HOME FOR A LONG TIME.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE HOME.

UM, SO WE ARE GOING TO REBUILD.

YES, MA'AM.

SO THE DRIVEWAY IS RIGHT NOW, AND FOR DRIVEWAY IT'S EXISTING.

THERE'S REALLY NO REAL DRIVEWAY IN THE HOME, BUT THERE'S A DRIVEWAY CUT.

IT'S A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY THAT WAS JUST LIKE AN ENTRYWAY TO THE CURRENT HOME.

BUT THE APRONS, YES, MA'AM.

AND STEP, LIKE, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OTHER PLANS, LOT COVERAGE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, SO I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UM, THE BUILDER THAT, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT'S BEEN WORKING WITH OR THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER'S BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, HAD SOME COMPLICATIONS AS FAR AS CONTRACT AND MONIES AND WHAT, UH, HAS ACTUALLY BEEN PROCURED.

SO A PART OF STAFF'S STIPULATION IS, UM, STIPULATION ONE THAT BASICALLY AT THE PERMIT SET ADHERES TO OTHER STIPULATIONS AND THAT THEY PROVIDE IT FOR STAFFER REVIEW.

UM, THERE'S, UNLESS I'M INCORRECT, THERE'S NO OTHER ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR UPDATED PLANS AND, AND THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH.

UM, SO WE, WE WERE ACCEPTING AN OMISSION MISSION DISTRICT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN A FRONT, FRONT FACING GARAGE.

UM, I, I CAN ALSO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

SO WHENEVER THIS CAME FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, UM, A COUPLE CYCLES AGO, STAFF DID HAVE A STIPULATION ABOUT LOCATING THE GARAGE TO A SIDE OR REAR FACING.

UM, BEFORE THAT MEETING, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND BUILDER ATTENDED A VIRTUAL DRC MEETING AND ATTENDED A DRC MEETING, UM, ABOUT A WEEK AGO TO ADDRESS THE LOT COMPLICATIONS, THE APPLICANT AND THE BUILDER NOTING THAT THE LOT IS PRETTY NARROW.

UM, AND GIVEN THAT THE APPLICANT'S VEHICLES ARE RATHER LARGE, IT'S CREATING AN ISSUE AS FAR AS LOCATING THE GARAGE TO THE SIDE OR THE REAR.

UM, SO HAVING A, REMOVING THE FRONT FACING GARAGE WAS A STIPULATION FOR CONCEPTUAL, BUT THE HDRC STRUCK THAT, UM, AS A PART OF THEIR APPROVAL AND REPLACED IT WITH THE APPLICANT COMING FOR A DRC, WHICH THEY'VE MET.

WE ALSO DID, UH, PROVIDE PHOTOS OF OTHER HOMES IN THE, UH, MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT DO HAVE FRONT FACING GARAGES.

UM, AND WE PRINTED OUT PHOTOGRAPHS AND PROVIDED THAT TO THE COMMITTEE AS WELL.

AND THEN LAST QUESTION, BECAUSE THE LOT SEEMS PRETTY WIDE.

UM, SO YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T, I MEAN, YOU SEEM TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PUSHING IT A LITTLE BIT BACK, PUSHING WHAT BACK THE HOME, THE GARAGE, THE FRONT, THE FRONT FACE OF THE GARAGE, PUSHING IT MORE FURTHER BACK.

SO WITH THE CURRENT, UM, HOME PLANS THAT WE HAVE, THE, THE, THE GARAGE, UM, WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE PUSHED BACK FURTHER.

UM, IT WILL EAT INTO THE CURRENT, UH, LIVING SPACE, KITCHEN, DINING SPACE THAT WE HAVE.

UM, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE PUSHED BACK.

SO THAT'S WHY WE PULLED THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOME FORWARD AS TO BE MORE PROMINENT, UH, IN FRONT.

BUT IT WOULD SOLVE YOUR DRIVEWAY TOO.

YOU WOULD GET MORE DRIVEWAY FOR THAT ONE, FOR THAT 12 FOOT APRON AND 10 FOOT APPROACH, AND THEN WIDE IT TO 16

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LATER.

UM, IS YOUR PATIO, IS THERE ROOF OVER THE PATIO OR IS IT JUST IT'S A COVERED PATIO YES, MA'AM.

COVERED WITH THE ROOF OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.

YES, MA'AM.

SO YOU COULD POTENTIALLY EXTEND IT OUT SINCE IT'S NEW BUILT.

I MEAN, WE COULD POTENTIALLY MITIGATED YOU COULD WITHOUT EATING INTO YOUR LIVING SPACE.

SO, UM, WHAT IN, IN THIS SITUATION, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF WE WERE TO DO THAT IS OFFSET THE BACK OF THE HOME.

UH, SO IT WOULDN'T BE FLUSH THE, THE BACK WOULD, THE BACK PATIO WOULD BE PUSHED FORWARD AND ON THAT WALL, UH, IF WE CAN ZOOM IN ON THIS, UH, MASTER BEDROOM AREA.

SO THIS WALL, UM, ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PATIO, UM, IS GONNA BE USED FOR AN OUTDOOR KITCHEN.

SO WE DO NEED TO HAVE THIS WALL FOR WATER AND GAS LINES.

UH, AND THAT'S WHY WE COULDN'T PUSH THE LEFT, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOME BACK ANY FURTHER BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSIONS OF THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN.

IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO DO A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, ONE MOMENT PLEASE.

UM, VICE CHAIR HESSLER? YES.

UM, THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

THE FRONT SETBACK OF THIS HOUSE, HOW'S, HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? UH, GREAT QUESTION.

SO THE PROPERTY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, UM, AS SHOWN HERE, THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT IS A MOBILE HOME, WHICH IS SET BACK PRETTY FAR.

UM, THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT.

OH, UM, YES, ADRIAN, IF YOU CAN SHOW THE, YEAH.

THE STREET VIEW.

SO THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT, UM, IS A MOBILE HOME.

UM, SO STAFF WOULDN'T CONSIDER SETTING THIS STRUCTURE BEHIND THAT FRONT FACADE.

HOWEVER, THE STRUCTURE TO THE RIGHT, IF YOU CAN, UM, ZOOM IN REALLY QUICK ON THERE.

UM, THE APPLICANT'S ALREADY NOTED THAT THE, UH, ROUGH, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL BE IN LINE WITH THE FRONT FACADE OF THAT STRUCTURE THERE.

UM, BUT A PART OF THE RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WOULD BE PROVIDING THAT SETBACK DIAGRAM TO STAFF FOR REVIEW.

SO IT WOULD NEED TO EITHER, IT, IT WOULD NEED TO BE SET BACK FROM THAT FRONT FACADE.

I SEE.

CAN I REPLY TO THAT AS WELL? SO, CURRENTLY, UM, 1319 EAST PYRON, UH, IS APPROXIMATELY 46 AND A HALF FEET FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT DOOR.

UM, 1315 EAST PYRON, WHICH IS MY HOME, UM, IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.

SO IF WE WERE TO, UM, BUILD IN THE SAME LOCATION, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUSH THE HOUSE BACK, UM, CURRENTLY TO SPECIFY HOW MANY FEET YOURS IS.

UH, SO IT WAS, UM, ABOUT 37.

IT WAS ON THE DAY THAT I WENT TO GO MEASURE.

UM, I ONLY MEASURED THE, UM, NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, UH, TO ON 1319 EAST PYRON.

UM, THE SURVEY ON MINE, I BELIEVE SHOWED IT, UH, THE SURVEY IF YOU HAVE.

YEAH, THAT ONE.

I BELIEVE THIS ONE SHOULD SHOW.

I GUESS THIS ONE MIGHT NOT SHOW THE ACTUAL DISTANCE, UM, BUT IT WAS, UH, CURRENTLY LESS THAN THE NEIGHBOR ON 1319.

BUT I DON'T, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE THE, I HAD A MOTION MR. CHAIR.

ONE MOMENT PLEASE, SIR.

UM, DID YOU HAVE A FURTHER VICE ADVISOR? UM, JUST A QUESTION.

THE LOT IS FAIRLY DEEP.

YES, SIR.

SO, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE WITH PUSHING THE HOU HOUSE FURTHER BACK TO MATCH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WOULD CORRECT? NO, IF, UH, IF, IF WE NEED TO MATCH THE CURRENT PROPERTY ON 1319, UM, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.

TO MOVE THAT BACK.

YEAH, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE WERE HOPING TO DO ANYWAYS.

UM, JUST TO BE ABLE TO, BECAUSE IF WE HAD TO HAVE THIS, UH, STICK WITH THE 10 FOOT WIDTH, UM, DRIVEWAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO JUST TO GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE EXTRA CURVING SPACE.

UH, MY VEHICLE IS A FAIRLY LARGE VEHICLE, UM, AND SO FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER OUT, I WOULD NEED THAT EXTRA SPACE.

OBVIOUSLY HAVING WIDER THAN 10 FEET WOULD MAKE THAT A LITTLE EASIER FOR MYSELF AND MY WIFE.

UM, BUT YES SIR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING ALREADY.

WE WERE TO HAVE A, UM, OUR TWO VEHICLES IN THE DRIVEWAY AND TWO VEHICLES IN THE GARAGE, IT WOULD MAKE IT CHALLENGING FOR MY VEHICLE TO EXIT, UH, WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE BEING IN THAT DRIVEWAY.

SO PUSHING THE WHOLE HOUSE BACK PROVIDES TWO, UH, BENEFITS.

ONE MATCHING THE SETBACK OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, PLUS GIVING YOU MORE, UH, DRIVEWAY SPACE.

YES, SIR.

AT THE 10 FEET? YES, SIR.

UM, IF

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SO WITH THE 10 FOOT WIDTH OF THE, UM, ENTRYWAY OF THE DRIVEWAY, IT WOULD MAKE IT CHALLENGING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE IN THAT DRIVEWAY ANYWAYS, SO IT WOULD ALMOST BE A WASTE OF A DRIVEWAY UNLESS WE WOULD PUSH IT WAY FURTHER BACK THAN 1319.

COMMISSIONER CERVANTES.

I'M READY FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND, AND IF ANYBODY I ASK FIRST, I ASK FIRST IF IT FOR, JUST WANNA CLARIFY.

I ASKED FOR A MOTION WHEN I FIRST ASKED THE QUESTION AND I THINK I WAS FIRST, BUT IF, IF I'M, IF I WASN'T, THEN TELL ME I WASN'T.

OKAY, SIR, JUST FOR, UH, NOTE, UM, MY VEHICLE IS 21 AND A HALF FEET, UH, FROM FROM BUMPER TO FRONT BUMPER.

UM, JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

OKAY, SIR.

AS PART OF THE MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER FETZER, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW FAR BACK TO IF I PUT A STIPULATION FOR MOVING THE HOUSE AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE DRC? UM, I THINK PUSHING THE GARAGE WING BACK, UH, OR HAVING THAT SETBACK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.

UH, AND WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET, CORRECT.

BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE FEET, THE WHOLE PRO, THE WHOLE THE BUILDING, RIGHT.

PUSHING IT BACK.

NO, THE WHOLE BUILDING, I WOULD THINK WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND AT LEAST MATCH THE SETBACK OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT TWO.

UM, AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE NO MORE THAN THE WIDTH OF THE DOOR OF THE GARAGE AND THAT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY BE PUSHED BACK.

YOU SAID THREE OR FIVE AT LEAST FLUSH WITH AT LEAST FLUSH, RIGHT? CORRECT.

WITH THE ADJACENT, WITH THE ADJACENT HOUSE.

UH, AND THAT WOULD NEGATE, UH, NUMBER SIX.

YOU CAN KEEP IT TWO FEET IF YOU WANT, BUT JUST PUSH THE WHOLE THING BACK.

THERE A SECOND.

SECOND, BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION PLEASE.

YEAH, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO HIT ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN BOTH DRCS.

I THINK THIS IS, UH, UH, WE STARTED, HE STARTED OUT WITH ONE REC, ONE PROJECT AND WE WAS KIND OF TAILORED DOWN TO, TO WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED NOW, UH, WITH, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS.

UM, AND I THINK HE'S MADE A, A PRETTY GOOD EFFORT TO TRY AND GET TO WHERE WE'VE ASKED THEM TO BE AS A DRC, UH, DURING TWO OF THEM, I THINK.

WAS IT TWO, TWO DRCS, RIGHT? YEAH.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

CHAIR GROUP.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

I AM THINK STAFF HAD IT RIGHT? I MEAN, STIPULATION TWO, I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN THAT MUCH OF, UH, OF THE SIDING, BUT, UM, I DO HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE DRIVEWAY.

I THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

AND I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE I ACTUALLY THINK THAT THE WHOLE PROJECT SHOULD BE, AND I I THINK IT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHERE I'M CONFUSED IS HOW FAR SETBACK IT IS FROM THE FRONT.

UH, LIKE IF WE'RE LINING WITH THE SIDE PROPERTY, UH, MOST HISTORIC HOMES HAVE A, A 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY AND THEN EXPANSE TO 16 AND WE SHOVEL CARS EVERY MORNING.

UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE HAVE HAD EXCEPTIONS FOR SECURITY OR SAFETY OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT ACCOMMODATING FOR, UM, EXTERIOR KITCHENS OR LUXURIES TO ME IS A LITTLE NOT, NOT VALID ENOUGH FOR ME TO GIVE THIS EXEMPTION.

I I THINK WE'RE STILL VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A FRONT FACING GARAGE AND I THINK MITIGATING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

UH, I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE SETTING BACK WHEN THE LOT IS ACTUALLY BIG ENOUGH TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.

IF, IF I CAN, UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.

FOR A STIPULATION? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S THE 10 FEET WIDE WIDTH.

ONE MOMENT, PLEASE, SIR.

UM, OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER BESTER WANNA MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION TO, UM, KEEP THE DRIVEWAY AT 10 FEET WIDTH, UH, AS FAR BACK INTO THE PROPERTY UNTIL THEY CAN MAKE IT WIDER AT THE DOOR OF THE GARAGE, THE 10 FEET WITH A 12 FOOT APRON? YEAH, I CAN ADD THAT AS, AS A STIPULATION.

I CAN RE REWORD THE STIPULATION THAT SAYS THAT.

OR, OR CAN WE MAYBE ASK

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I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S, YOU KNOW, A FINAL DRIVEWAY DESIGN THAT HAS AS MUCH AS IT CAN STARTING AT 10.

BUT WHEN WE DO HAVE THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION AND ALIGNING WITH THAT SIDE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IT'S TELLING US, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THREE FEET.

WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR MORE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT DRIVEWAY.

WELL, THERE'S TWO SETBACKS.

ONE IS A SETBACK OF THE WHOLE HOUSE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALIGNING IT WITH THE FRONT OF THE ADJACENT HOUSE.

THE OTHER SETBACK IS FROM THE FRONT OF THE BEDROOM TO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE.

AND RIGHT NOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THREE FEET MINIMUM.

SO LET ME, UM, PROPOSE THIS.

I'M NOT SO WORRIED ABOUT THE FRONT BEDROOM, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE.

SO SINCE THERE'S NOTHING TO THE LEFT ON WHAT, 1313 EAST PAR, BUT THERE IS A PROPERTY ON 1319.

HOW ABOUT, UH, MOTION THAT KIND OF KEEPS IT OPEN AND SAYING, UH, THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE TO BE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE WALL OF THE HOUSE ENOUGH TO ALIGN 1319 EAST PAREN AND THAT WAY THAT ACCOMMODATES FOR A LONGER DRIVEWAY THAN MIGHT GO WITH THAT, EXCEPT THAT 10 FEET STIPULATION.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, LET ME, LET ME TRY AND RE PUT THAT INTO THE STIPULATION THAT I MADE.

SO WITH REGARDS TO NUMBER FIVE, ROMAN LETTER FIVE 10 FEET TAPERING UP TO A USABLE WIDTH TOWARDS THE GARAGE DOOR.

IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? OKAY, SO THAT'LL BE FIVE.

THAT'LL BE THE STIPULATION.

RESTATE THE STIPULATION, UM, THE SETBACK THAT IT BE IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT, BUT ALSO IN THAT THE GARAGE DOOR BE SETBACK THREE FEET? NO.

SO ONLY I'M, I'M SUGGESTING TO NOT REDUCE THE FRONT SETBACK, ONLY THE PROPOSED GARAGE SETBACK.

SORRY, NOT FRONT BEDROOM SETBACK, BUT THE, OKAY, SO IN THAT CASE, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT, I'LL JUST LEAVE NUMBER FIVE AS IS, OR I'M SORRY, NUMBER SIX AS IS THE THREE FEET, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO EAT THE THREE FEET OF PUTTING THE HOUSE FURTHER OUT FROM THE GARAGE BECAUSE THIS WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE DRC DURING BOTH DRCS.

THIS IS, THIS WAS EXACTLY DISCUSSED AND WE'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO HIM.

AND ONE OF THEM WAS THAT HE'S GONNA PROTRUDE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE OUT THREE FEET TO GIVE THAT GARAGE MORE OF A SETBACK.

SO WE'LL JUST KEEP THAT IN THERE AS IS.

THAT PUSHES THE, THE FRONT END OF THE HOUSE AND THEN YOU ADJUST THE OVERALL SETBACK OF THE HOUSE, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE, TO LINE UP WITH THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE.

ARE MY STIPULATIONS CLEAR OR STAFF? I WAS ABOUT ASK FOR LEGAL.

IS IS THAT CLEAR? YEAH, I WAS, I WAS.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I UNDERSTAND IT.

ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA RESTATE THE MOTION.

APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT NUMBER TWO AND THAT NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY START OUT AT 10 FEET AND TAPER UP TO THE WIDTH OF THE DOOR OF THE GARAGE DOOR SO IT CAN BE USABLE, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE HOUSE THAT THE NUMBER SIX BE AS IS.

HOWEVER, A ANOTHER STIPULATION THAT SAYS THE TOTALITY OF THE HOUSE BE ADJUSTED SO THAT IT LINES UP WITH THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT TO THE RIGHT.

IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GETTING AT? YES.

SECOND CONCURS.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.

ITEM NUMBER 17, PLEASE.

THIS IS HDRC CASE, UH, NUMBER 2024 DASH 4 0 7 FOR FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST LOCATED WITHIN THE TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.

IN ADDITION TO A MASTER LANDSCAPING PLAN, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL ALL

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STIPULATIONS ARE MET.

FIRST, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN BOTH ADJACENT STRUCTURES BASED ON FINDING DA FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF TO ENSURE THAT FOUNDATION SETBACKS, UH, AND HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN.

THE INSPECTION IS TO OCCUR AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF FOUR MARK AND PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF FOUNDATION MATERIALS THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.

THIRD, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WOOD OR FIBER CEMENT VERTICAL SITING DETAIL THAT IS MENTIONED AND PROFILED TO REPRESENT HISTORIC SIDING WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

AND FINALLY, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL REAL GRASS WHERE ARTIFICIAL TURF IS PROPOSED IN THE FRONT YARD.

THE APPLICANT JOSEPH SMITH, IS HERE IN PERSON.

UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, YOU WOULD, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK.

THE BOARD AND BATTEN METAL SIGHTING.

MY NAME IS, UH, JOSEPH SMITH, UH, JMS ARCHITECTS, ALSO A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THIS PROPERTY AT 2213 NORTH ST.

MARY'S, UH, IN TOBIN HILL.

SO, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, THIS, THIS ONE'S BEEN GOING FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE AT THE FINISH LINE, SO APPRECIATE, UH, Y'ALL WORKING WITH US ON THAT.

UM, SO GOING DOWN THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT ARE, UM, NOTED BY STAFF, WE WOULD LIKE TO, I GUESS FIRST DISCUSS THE SETBACK.

UH, WE DID GET A SURVEY THAT WAS DONE, WHICH IS PART OF THAT PACKET, WHICH IS THIS DRAWING HERE.

UH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER BACK IN THE PACKAGE, OR WE CAN USE THAT IS, UH, SO THE HOUSE TO THE EAST, IMMEDIATE EAST OF US, WE ARE APPROXIMATELY, UH, THREE FEET BEHIND THAT HOUSE AND THEN THE HOUSE TO IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.

WE ARE APPROXIMATELY THE HOU OUR HOUSE STEPS BACK, BUT WE'RE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT SIX INCHES IN FRONT OF THAT HOUSE.

I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT IS A GOOD CONGRUENT WITH THE STREET.

SO AGAIN, THE HOUSE TO THE EAST IS, IS CLOSER TO THE STREET.

WE WOULD BE SET BACK AND THEN OUR HOUSE WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.

WE DID HAVE A SURVEY AND WE STAKED IT.

WE HAD, UH, UM, MS. KAITLIN COME OUT.

WE WALKED IT TOGETHER, LOOKED AT IT.

UM, AND THIS IS SOME PICTURES OF, IS THIS IT RIGHT HERE? THAT IS A SURVEY, CORRECT.

SO THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT ON THAT SURVEY IS THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST, WHICH THAT HOUSE IS CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN WE ARE PROPOSING.

AND THEN THE TOP IS THE SETBACK THAT WE HAD STAKED OUT.

WE HAD A SURVEYOR STAKE THAT PROPERTY BASED ON OUR CURRENT DRAWINGS, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN THE PACKET.

SO THAT'S ONE, UH, ITEM THAT FOR DISCUSSION.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM I THINK IS THE, THE USE OF THE METAL SIDING, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING A METAL BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING.

UM, I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN A LOT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT USED TODAY IS A COMPOSITE CONCRETE PANEL, UH, WHICH IN OUR OPINION IS A INFERIOR PRODUCT TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

WE'RE PROPOSING, AGAIN, WHICH IS IN THE PACKET IS A METAL, UH, PANEL, WHICH IS A STANDING SEAM.

UH, WE'VE USED STANDING SEAM METAL ON TWO OTHER PROJECTS THAT'S GONE THROUGH HDRC, AGAIN, OUR PERSONAL HOUSE ON NORTH ST.

MARY'S.

AND THEN ANOTHER HOUSE ON, UH, KENDALL, WHICH HAD STANDING SEAM.

UM, AGAIN, IT, IT PROVIDES FOR A SUSTAINABLE MATERIAL LONG LASTING ZERO MAINTENANCE TO THAT MATERIAL.

UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE, OF THE GUIDELINES TO USE MATERIALS THAT AGAIN, DON'T DIRECTLY, UH, MIMIC HISTORIC, BUT WITHIN THE SAME CONTEXT, UH, HERE'S A FEW PICTURES OF SOME HOUSES THAT THIS IS FURTHER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOBIN HILL, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S A COMPOSITE STANDING SEAM.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT HOUSE IS PROBABLY MAYBE A YEAR OLD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S NOT HOLDING UP VERY WELL.

HERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE AGAIN ON MYRTLE STREET, UH, WHICH HAS THE BOARD AND BATTEN UH, COMPOSITE SIDING.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE ISSUES WITH THAT AS WELL.

UM, THIS IS PROJECT THAT WAS REVIEWED BY HDRC BACK IN 2019, APPROVED WITH STANDING SEAM.

AND THEN ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE DID IN 2021, WHICH IS AGAIN IN THE, HIS, BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE IN THE HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT OF BAN HILL.

THIS HOUSE ACTUALLY IS NEIGHBORING RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.

AND THIS IS A CUT SHEET ON

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AND THEN THIS SHOWS THE PROFILE, UH, THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING.

SO I THINK THAT WAS THE SECOND ISSUE.

UM, THE THIRD ISSUE WAS THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE FRONT YARD.

AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET THAT WAS APPROVED, UH, ON LOCUST IN THE TOBIN HILL DISTRICT.

UH, I THINK I WROTE IT DOWN ON ONE OF THOSE PIECE OF PAPER THERE.

BUT, UH, I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT PROJECT, SORRY, ON MY PHONE, WHICH HAS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AGAIN.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT'S .

UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN WATER RESTRICTIONS, GOOD TIME OF THE YEAR.

YOU KNOW, GRASS TURF REQUIRES MORE SO THAN PLANNING MATERIAL, MORE WATER AND UPKEEP.

SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK AN ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE, UM, AS TO THE LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF THE ARTIFICIAL TERM.

SO I BELIEVE THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING ON THE PROJECT.

DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR? I'M SORRY? DOES THAT COMPLETE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, SIR.

UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CHAIR? SINCE NOW? WE, NOW WE'RE GOING BY THE PROCESS.

YES, WE WILL BE.

UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO QUESTIONS.

UM, SO, UM, I'LL START WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA.

UM, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU'RE ON MUTE, SIR.

NOT STILL HEARING YOU, SIR.

UM, WELL I'LL, I'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

UM, AND I KNOW MAYBE CAITLYN'S NOT HERE TODAY.

SO THERE'S A, UM, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP.

IT SAYS THAT THE LOT COVERAGE IS 53% AND IT, SO IT'S EXCEEDING THE 50, BUT THEN IT SAYS THAT THAT STIPULATION HAS BEEN MET.

WHAT IS THE LOT COVERAGE? 49.9%.

AND THEN, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, MASSING, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN STAFF ABOUT THE MASSING.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES THERE? THERE HAS NOT, NOT IN THE CURRENT ITERATION, NO.

SO MAYBE TO STAFF.

SO YOU HAVE NOT PUT THAT AS A STIPULATION, BUT YOU HAVE IT THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, DOES NOT GO WITH THE GUIDELINES.

UM, F EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT MEASURE 45, IT SAYS THAT IT'S NEITHER CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, NOR THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF FINDS THAT A FURTHER REDUCTION OF FOOTPRINT OR FURTHER SEPARATION MASSING SHOULD BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

AND THEN I DON'T SEE ANY STIPULATIONS ON THAT ANYWHERE ELSE.

'CAUSE WE'RE KEEPING IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

I'M SORRY, WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND SO WE'RE JUST NOTING WHAT THE OUTSTANDING STIPULATIONS FROM CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ARE.

BUT WE, WE, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANNA HIDE THE FACT OF THE FOOTPRINT, LIKE, SO WE'RE PROVIDING THE BACKGROUND.

AND THEN, UM, YOU'RE SAYING THAT STAFF WAS WITH YOU TO LOOK AT THE SETBACKS, BUT I GUESS STAFF HAS STILL HAS THAT STIPULATION AFTER, IS THAT CORRECT? OR CAN Y'ALL CLARIFY? YES, WE MET, WE MET ON SITE, UM, WE HAD THE STAKES AND WE LOOKED AT IT.

SHE FELT LIKE SHE UNDERSTOOD, BUT SHE WAS STILL GONNA KEEP THAT RECOMMENDATION AND LEAVE IT UP TO THE, TO THE BOARD.

SO, BUT IT SHOULD BE GREATER AND IT'S, WE, WE ARE GREATER THAN THE HOUSE TO ON ONE SIDE.

AND THEN THE HOUSE TO THE WEST, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THAT HOUSE.

I KNOW, BUT HARD TO TELL WITH THE, WITH THE SHRUBBERY AND WE HAVEN'T.

SO THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST ACTUALLY, SO THIS PROPERTY OVER HERE, UH, THE OWNERS BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, SO WE WERE ABLE TO SURVEY IT, UM, THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT OR THE WEST SIDE OVER HERE.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND WE DID THE BEST WE COULD TO LINE IT UP.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SHE SAW THE STAKES WITH THAT HOUSE AS WELL.

WHAT IS THE HEIGHT ON EACH OF THE PROPERTIES? DO WE KNOW? UH, WE, WE, IN THE PACKET, UH, THERE'S SOME HEIGHTS, WE ACTUALLY USED A DRONE AND WE ACTUALLY MEASURED ALL THE HEIGHTS OF IT.

THAT WAS AGAIN, PART OF THE DISCUSSION THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS HGRC.

SO YOU'RE BASICALLY NOT, UH, THE FOUR STIPULATIONS, YOU'RE NOT AGREEING TO THEM.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE STILL THERE AND STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL ON THE STIPULATIONS.

SO I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ONE THAT YOU AGREE WITH ON THE FOUR STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF ARE PRESENTING? YES.

COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? UH,

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THAT WAS IN THE LAST PACKET.

OH YEAH, JUST ON THE, I WASN'T IN THIS PACKET FOR THE APPLICANT.

JUST ON THE, SO THERE'S A, THERE YOU'RE STILL SIX INCHES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE EAST OF YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE, BUT ONE OF THEM TO THE WEST.

WHAT JUST, WHY CAN YOU JUST MOVE BACK SIX INCHES OR MOVE BACK A FOOT? UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS HOUSE, UH, IS, IS LARGE.

UH, AND THAT, THAT'S BEEN THE CHALLENGE TO FIT THIS ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, BUT WITH THE FLOOR PLAN, EVERYTHING, ALL THE, THE USES, EVERYTHING WE HAVE, WE HAVE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND THE, THE DEPTH OF THE HOUSE.

UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW IT ACTUALLY ON THIS DRAWING, THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, IS IN FRONT OF IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER HOUSE PRETTY MUCH IS IN LINE WITH IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IN, IN MY OPINION, THE HOUSE TO THE, ON THE CORNER TO THE, TO THE EAST IS CLOSER TO THE STREET.

AND AGAIN, OUR HOUSE HELPS TO STEP BACK TO, TO THE REST OF THE BLOCK.

AND THAT STREET, IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE THE STREET DOES ACTUALLY HAVE A SLIGHT ANGLE TO IT, WHICH IS ANGLING THIS WAY.

SO WHETHER OR NOT THAT SETBACK IS THE SAME OR BECAUSE WHEN WE MEASURED IT, IT WAS 28 FEET THAT WAS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

BUT THE STREET I THINK HAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANGLE TO IT, WHICH CHANGES THAT GEOMETRY.

WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU PICK THE WHOLE HOUSE UP AND MOVE IT BACK? WE'RE AT THE REAR SETBACK.

THAT, THAT WAS, THAT'S WHERE I WAS.

I'M SORRY.

THANKS THAT YOU, VICE CHAIR FE SIR, DID YOU EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE, UH, FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING SUCH AS ZEROSCAPE AS OPPOSED TO ARTIFICIAL TURF? THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR NOT? UH, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, BUT I THINK THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAIN OTHER IDEAS.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, A LOW MAINTENANCE YARD, FRANKLY, SOMETHING THAT'S SUSTAINABLE AND NOT USING A LOT OF WATER.

SO I THINK YES, THEY WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO A ZEROSCAPE.

I THINK THAT COULD BE A, A STIPULATION THAT THEY WOULD VERY MUCH BE IN, YOU KNOW, AGREEABLE TO.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

YOU FIND THE PAGE, UM, MR. SMITH, WHAT ARE THE PLATE HEIGHTS FOR YOUR FIRST FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR? UH, WE ARE AT 12 FEET, 24 FEET TO THE, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, A FOOT PLATE HEIGHT FLOOR TO FLOOR IS 12 FEET.

AND THEN IT'S ANOTHER, UH, 12 FEET TO THE NEXT FLOOR PLATE.

AND THEN IT'S, I BELIEVE, 11 FEET TO THE TOP FLOOR.

AND YOU'RE USING PROBABLY A 16, 18 INCH, UM, FLOOR? THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A FULL 24 INCH.

SO WE HAVE ROOF DECKS AND BY THE TIME WE HAVE THE ROOF DECKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, WE HAVE A 24 INCH INTERSTITIAL SPACE BETWEEN THE FLOORS.

BUT THE ROOF DECKS, YOU KNOW, STEP DOWN FOR DRAINAGE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO GENERALLY WE ARE AT ABOUT 16, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ROOF DECKS TO PROVIDE THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENT, THE DECKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE, THAT IT, IT KICKS IT UP TO 24.

SO IN COMPARING IT WITH THE ELEVATION VIEW OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, UM, PERHAPS, I MEAN, THOSE NUMBERS SEEM REALLY HIGH, 45, 40 FEET FOR THE OTHER HOUSES I GET THEY'RE BIG, THEY'RE MASSIVE ALSO.

UM, BUT COULD THAT DIMENSION BE TO THE FINISHED GRADE? I MEAN, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH A HOUSE OF THIS SIZE AND YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT MARKET, WHAT HAVE YOU, I THINK A 10 FOOT CEILING IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION FOR THE MM-HMM .

THE SIZE OF THE HOME.

SO TO, TO REDUCE PLATE HEIGHTS BETWEEN IT WITH, TO GET THE DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING REQUIRED.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S PRACTICAL.

UH, TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT.

UH, AGAIN, WE, IN THE LAST, UH, ITERATION, WE, WE TOOK DRONE VIDEOS AND HEIGHTS OF THE WHOLE STREET AND WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE OKAY.

YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THEN, WHICH WAS APPROVED THEN.

AND THE FLOOR, THE PLATE HEIGHTS AND WHAT BOOTS ARE APPROVED IN CONCEPTUAL, RIGHT? CORRECT.

CONCEPTUAL AS A REMINDER, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS NOT BINDING.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT ALSO THAT'S A GUIDELINE SO WE CAN TO MOVE FORWARD.

YEAH, WE CAN.

YES, YES.

SO WE CAN ALWAYS, YEAH, THE ONLY WAY REVISIT IN CONTEXT WITH OTHER THINGS.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS SIMILAR TO MY COLLEAGUE, UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.

UM, I THINK THIS COULD BENEFIT TREMENDOUSLY FROM A SETBACK INCREASE OF EVEN 24 36 INCHES.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE? WELL, WITH THE CURRENT, UH, LAYOUT IN TERMS OF THE ROOMS THEY WANT AND THE SIZES MM-HMM.

THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.

UM, BACK TO COMMISSIONER MAZUA QUESTION, SIR.

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SO CAN'T HEAR.

UM, UH, IF, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, SHAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO TALK.

NO QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.

UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

I GUESS I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TWIST A MOTION.

I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE, BUT WITH A STIPULATION, THE SETBACK STIPULATION.

UM, I GUESS WITH ALL FOUR STIPULATIONS THERE A SECOND.

I WOULD, I WOULD SECOND, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ASK, I HAVE JUST QUICK THOUGHTS ON THE, UH, THE THIRD STIPULATION ABOUT THE WOOD OR FIBER CEMENT.

UH, THE VERTICAL SIDING.

I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE PROPOSED MATERIAL IS APPROPRIATE.

I DON'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

SO FIBER CEMENT IS ACTUALLY MUCH BETTER THAN THE WOOD.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU SHOWED.

SO THEY MIGHT JUST BE WOOD BOARD BATTEN THAT YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN, RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T ROT.

UM, I'M KEEPING IT THERE.

UM, AS OF NOW, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE EXAMPLES, BUT IN THIS DISTRICT, ACCORDING TO STAFF, IT'S NOT REALLY FOUND SOMETHING.

WE ALWAYS LOOK AT IT LIKE EACH PROPERTY.

SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN COME BACK WITH IF YOU FIND THAT IN THE DISTRICT IT'S, YOU KNOW, MORE COMMON.

I KNOW THERE'S EXAMPLES OF ONE OR TWO THAT YOU MENTIONED, BUT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GOING REALLY, UM, I MEAN IT'S A PROPERTY AND THE DESIGN AND THE SIZE AND THE SCALE AND THE MASS.

I UNDERSTAND.

I AM STILL, I STILL BELIEVE THAT IT'S A, IT'S AT A BIGGER SCALE THAT I WOULD ACCEPT, BUT I GET THAT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, A RESPECT TO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE CAN KEEP SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC MATERIALS OR HISTORIC ELEMENTS AS MUCH AS A, YOU KNOW, NOT INTRODUCING ELEMENTS THAT MAYBE ARE NOT FOUND NORMALLY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

SECOND, THANK YOU.

SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND START.

UM, MY MAIN CONCERN FROM THE OUTSET WAS THE, THE SCALE AND THE, AND THE SIZE OF IT AND THE MASSING OF IT.

UM, EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN A, AN ARRAY OF OTHER LARGE VICTORIAN ERA STRUCTURES, UM, AND IT'S AN, IT'S A CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE SO MANY OTHER THINGS ARE MODERN OR RATHER CONTEMPORARY, UM, FORMS THAT YOU'VE USED, THE WAY YOU'VE USED CERTAIN FORMS, MATERIALS, UM, UH, THE LANDSCAPING, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE CONTEMPORARY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS, IT MEETS THE LETTER OF THE GUIDELINE, THE SPIRIT OF THE GUIDELINE SEEMS TO HAVE, UM, MISSED A LITTLE BIT ON THE ELEVATION.

I'M LOOKING ON PAGE 71.

UM, SO WHAT A SETBACK DOES, IF YOU SET BACK TWO, THREE FEET AWAY, IT ALLOWS THAT BUILDING, THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION, THOSE NEW IDEAS TO SIT KIND OF QUIETLY BACK AND LET AND ALLOW THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS TO REMAIN THE FOCUS OF THAT BLOCK PHASE.

AND THAT'S ONE WAY THAT THOSE TWO, UM, APPROACHES CAN COEXIST ON A BLOCK.

UM, WE'VE GOT CASES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE SEEN OTHER CASES IN NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, UM, WE ARE, UH, SLICING AND DICING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WELL AS THE SETBACK FOOTAGE NUMERICALLY BY THE GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, BY THE LETTER.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S A CLEAR, OH MY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE MOMENT.

AND IT WOULD BE, UM, NICE TO HAVE THIS INFILL A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE, UM, WITHOUT THAT EFFECT.

AND THAT'S WHY I THINK OF A SETBACK OF TWO AND THREE FEET COULD, COULD ACHIEVE THAT AT.

UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES.

THAT'S MY COMMENT.

CAN I SAY SOMETHING OR, UM, ONE MOMENT PLEASE, SIR.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING.

UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, ANY COMMENTS? ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM HIM? , SORRY SIR.

YEAH, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO.

UM, I THINK THAT I WON'T BE, I WON'T BE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL 'CAUSE CONCEPTUALLY I DON'T EVEN THINK THIS REALLY, EVEN THOUGH YOU FOLLOWED THE GUIDELINES AND YOU TECHNICALLY KIND OF MET THE INTENT, I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS ON THAT STREET.

UM, AND I THINK CONCEPTUALLY,

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I THINK, YEAH, IT'S A SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION, BUT I THINK KIND OF, YOU KIND OF WANNA, AT LEAST IF YOU GET APPROVAL ON THIS, YOU DEFINITELY WANNA DO SOME DRCS OR SOMETHING TO GET SOME, SOME INSIGHT, UH, AS TO HOW TO BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN START WITH THE SETBACK.

ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE HERE TONIGHT MAKE SENSE.

AND I, I JUST, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS HOUSE BELONGS ON THAT STREET.

AS I LOOK AT THE OTHER HOUSES AND I LOOK AT THE STREET VIEW AND THEN I LOOK AT YOUR RENDERING HERE.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S BROAD BRUSH STUFF.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON THIS.

UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.

ANYTHING FURTHER? COMMISSIONER GROUP? I MEAN, THIS COMMISSION APPROVED, UH, CONCEPTUALLY BACK IN APRIL? I'M NOT SURE.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

WE, THERE'S A LOT OF CASES, SO I DO FEEL LIKE WE, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS MAYBE RAISED TODAY THAT I RESPECT THAT IF, IF WE CONCEPTUALLY WE ALWAYS DO THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, CONCEPTUALLY DO MEAN LIKE YOU HAVE A FAIRLY GREEN LIGHT TO CONTINUE THE DESIGN.

UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, A STIPULATION OF MASSING SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED BACK THEN.

IF, IF THAT STILL IS A CONCERN.

THAT'S JUST THE ONLY WAY, LIKE I'M, I DON'T KNOW, KIND OF LEAVING THE APPLICANT WITH NO, I MEAN THAT'S JUST WHERE MY CONCERN A LITTLE BIT.

IF, IF THIS MOTION'S NOT SUPPORTED OR WE CAN ALSO, I'LL TAKE AN AMENDED MOTION IF THIS WANTS TO BE CONTINUED AT A DRC AGAIN AND AGAIN.

UM, I'LL JUST CLARIFY QUICKLY IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, THE STIPULATION ABOUT SETBACK WAS MEANT TO ADDRESS KIND OF BOTH THE SETBACK ISSUE, BUT YOU CAN ALSO IMAGINE IF IT COMES BACK, HOWEVER MANY FEET THAT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HIT THAT 50% MARK.

SO IT WOULD ADDRESS THE FOOTPRINT AS WELL.

IT WOULD ADDRESS THE FOOTPRINT BUT NOT THE SCALE.

AND I THINK THE SCALE IS THE ONE THAT STILL IS THERE.

VICE CHAIR ZER? UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT SETBACK.

UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE MATERIAL SUBSTITUTION, UM, I THINK THE, UH, PROPOSED STEEL METAL OR STEEL, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN, UM, AS LONG AS IT MEETS DIMENSIONALLY, UH, MATCHES THE WOOD OR FIBER CEMENT, I WOULD NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

AND UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, LOOK AT, UH, OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MANN.

UH, JUST TO COMMENT AND, AND FOR CLARITY, I THINK IS WHAT THE SETBACK FROM COMMISSIONER HOLLAND'S QUESTION EARLIER IS, IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION OF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE IF IT'S, IF IT'S SET BACK.

'CAUSE I, I BELIEVE THE, THE COMMENT BACK WAS THAT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS AS FAR BACK AS IT CAN GO.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

JUST, JUST FOR FULL CLARITY ON THAT.

AND I SKIPPED YOU COMMISSIONER SENO, 'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY SPEAKING.

DID YOU WANT SAY ANYTHING? OH, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

ALRIGHT, MAY YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.

SAVINO NAY ZUKA.

SO WE'RE RECORDING THAT AS A NAY GROUP? YES, WE GROUP.

BETSY NAY AND GIBBS? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT STAGES TO THIS.

SORRY SIR FOR CLARIFICATION.

WHAT IS THE MOTION? UH, I'M NOT, I'M SORRY, I'M A LITTLE, SO I STATE IT'S APPROVAL WITH THE FOUR STIPULATIONS.

SO STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING, UM, NOT RECOMMENDING FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE MET.

SO I GUESS IT'S, YOU'D HAVE TO MEET THOSE FOUR STIPULATIONS FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

CAN I ASK A UH, A QUESTION? GO AHEAD SIR.

YOU KNOW, UM, MY CLIENTS HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE AND WE TALKED ABOUT MASSING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE HEIGHTS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SETBACKS, UM, AND ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WERE FULLY DISCUSSED AND AGREED TO, YOU KNOW, METAL SIDING HAS BEEN USED IN THE DISTRICT AND HAS BEEN APPROVED ON OTHER PROJECTS.

YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH PRELIMINARY OR CONCEPTUAL AND THEN WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME ON ENGINEERING.

AND THEN TO HAVE THESE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS COME UP AT FINAL IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.

I HEAR YOU, SIR.

UM, BUT ONE THING THAT YOU, I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WITH THIS PROCESS IS THAT,

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AND SO EACH TIME YOU COME BACK, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW, WEREN'T CLARIFIED OR THINGS THAT, THAT NOW BECOME CLEAR THINGS LIKE PROCESS.

AND OF COURSE WE ARE GOING ALONG WITH WHAT THE GUIDELINE STATES.

SO NOW WHEN STAFF SAYS TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT RECOMMENDING BECAUSE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WERE THERE, THE COMMISSION HEARS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THE PACKET, WE GET THE PACKET AHEAD OF TIME, WE HEAR FROM YOU THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE GO THROUGH DISCUSSIONS.

SO NOW THESE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE HERE NOW, YOU KNOW, HEARD YOU AND SAY, OKAY, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO ALONG AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, BUT THESE STIPULATIONS HAVE TO BE IN PLACE.

OKAY? SO, SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF, I MEAN YOU CAN, I MEAN THE VOTE HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? BUT, BUT HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE OPTIONS.

YOU KNOW, TO FOR APPEAL THINGS TO NATURE.

BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE YOU, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AS FAR AS YOUR, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, FRUSTRATION NOT FOR YOU OR FOR THE APPLICANT.

BUT THIS IS JUST, THIS IS THE PROCESS.

NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, BUT I GUESS MY POINT IS THAT A FEW OF THESE STIPULATIONS, LIKE THE SETBACK, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SET AS LONG AS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES THAT WAS, WE CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THE TAPE, WHATEVER.

I MEAN THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AS I WAS STANDING HERE AND WE ALL AGREED TO IT, BUT THEN IT WAS WRITTEN, IT MUST BE FURTHER BACK.

THAT THREW US A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE HAD THE MEETING AND WE SURVEYED IT.

BUT I, I'M HEARING SOME THINGS HERE.

IT NEEDS TO BE TWO TO THREE FEEDBACK.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION.

I DON'T WANT TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK GET THE OPTIONS IF I MAY.

I MEAN, IS IT JUST THE PURE, IF I MEET ALL FOUR OF THESE STIPULATIONS THAT WAS ON THE STAFF, THEN WE GET APPROVAL.

I'M JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION AND, AND LET ME CLARIFY THAT.

I GUESS THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT DIDN'T SPECIFY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET.

AS LONG AS IT'S GREATER.

IF YOU SAID IT'S SIX INCHES AND YOU CAN PROVE AND YOU DO ONE FOOT, THAT'S FINE.

THERE'S NO MEASUREMENT STATED IN THE MOTION.

I JUST WANNA GET THAT CLARIFIED.

WELL, STAFF, YOU'LL BE AT STAFF DISCRETION, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS JUST GREATER.

RIGHT? UM, I ALSO DID SAY THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK WITH, WITH FIBER CEMENT, UH, WITH A METAL SOLUTION AS OF IS RIGHT NOW IN MY MOTION, I WASN'T PUTTING IT THERE.

YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSION, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO COME BACK FROM AMENDMENT OF MATERIAL.

UM, AND I THINK THE OTHER TWO STIPULATIONS ARE, I THINK FINE.

RIGHT? OKAY.

YEAH, I JUST WANNA GET CLARIFICATION.

'CAUSE AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FUN, BUT I YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT ONE MORE TIME? NO PROBLEM, SIR.

AND THEN THANK YOU.

OF COURSE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.

ITEM NUMBER 18, PLEASE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, HDRC CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 32 8 9 0 1 NORTH ALAMO STREET.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN EXTERIOR STAIRWAY TO CONNECT AT THE WRAPAROUND PORCHES.

NORTHEAST STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST, UH, TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY STAIRWAY BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE LOCATION BE MOVED TO THE NORTH RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION INSTEAD OF THE FRONT PRIMARY ELEVATION.

THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH OHB STAFF AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT REGARDING THIS AND OTHER ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS THAT MINIMALLY IMPACT THE FRONT FACADE.

THE PROPERTY OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE EDDIE IS HERE IN PERSON.

UM, BEFORE WE LIKE, UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS, UH, WENT TO A ONSITE DRC MEETING LAST WEEK.

UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER UNFORTUNATELY WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY.

BA UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS BY THE, FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND EDDIE, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES IF YOU WANNA READ THE LETTER AND, UH, MAKE ANY NOTE.

OKAY? NO WORRIES.

UH, JUST FOR INTRODUCTION, UH, EDWARD COMBS, REPRESENTATIVE OF 9 0 1 NORTH ALAMO, IS YOUR MIC ON, SIR? UH, AM I JUST, I'M JUST NOT CLOSE ENOUGH.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, EDWARD COMBS FOR 9 0 1 NORTH ALAMO STREET.

UH, I KNOW IT SAYS EDDIE JUST, BUT THEY CALL ME.

UM, I JUST, YEAH.

M AND MEP, UH, REVIEWS EXCEPT FOR HISTORICAL.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON.

SAY LAST WEDNESDAY WE HAD JESUS, UH, SORRY.

I KNOW, UH, LAST WEDNESDAY WE HAD TWO HISTORICAL COMMITTEE, UH, MEMBERS VISIT OUR 9 0 1 PROPERTY IN REGARDS TO THE STAIRCASE THAT WE HAVE ON THE, UH, FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THESE STAIRS ARE REFERRED TO AS STAIRS TWO 40 AND ARE REQUIRED DUE TO, UM, CODE FOR ACCESS TO THE, UH, EXTERIOR BALCONY.

UH, UM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL, SEVERAL BUILDING REVISIONS, UH, FROM OCTOBER 20, UH, 2024 TO MAY, 2025.

UH, THE STAIRS HAVE BEEN RELOCATED, UH, TO HIS CURRENT POSITION, UH, AFTER SEVERAL REVISIONS WHERE THE STAIRS SIT NOW HAS CURRENTLY BEEN IMPROVED BY FIRE BUILDING

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UH, PRIOR TO THE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING, WE REVISED THE BILLING WITH THE BILLING REVIEW BY WINDING THE EGRESS FROM ITS SIX FEET TO THE MAXIMUM OF NINE FEET, UM, TO WHERE IT MEETS THE PICKLEBALL COURT FENCE.

UM, THIS ENDED UP TRIGGERING A COUPLE OF, UH, ISSUES, MOSTLY, MOST NOTABLY PERTAINING TO I BBC 7 0 5 0.8, UH, BILLING ON THE SAME LOT LINE.

UM, PART OF THE CODE PRETTY MUCH, UH, IS CRITICAL IN REGULATING HOW MANY OPENINGS, UH, WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE ON THE EXTERIOR WALLS TO PREVENT FIRE JUMPING FROM ONE PART, UH, ONE BUILDING TO ANOTHER ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, MOREOVER, WE HAD ATTEMPTED TO ASK FOR A, UH, TWO HOUR FIREWALL AS REQUESTED BY ONE OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE IBC, UH, TABLE 7 0 5 0.8, MINIMUM DISTANCE IS THREE FEET.

UM, IT'S CLEAR THAT A FOUR FOOT STAIRCASE AGAINST THE EXISTING ONE HOUR NORTHERN WALL OF BILLING TWO IS NOT PERMITTED.

UM, AND HOW THEY LOOKED AT THE MINIMUM DISTANCE ALLOWED IS THREE FEET.

UM, THERE, UM, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO READ ALL THIS WITH TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.

UM, TO FURTHER CLARIFY, IF WE ARE TO DO THAT, THEN THE EGRESS IS EITHER THREE FEET TO THE RIGHT OR TWO FEET TO THE LEFT, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWABLE FOR ANY SPACE SERVING MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE.

AND THAT'S WHY THE ORIGINALLY OUT OF THE SITE PLAN CALLS FOR SIX FEET, WHICH IS DESIGNED FROM MORE THAN 240 PEOPLE.

I'D SAY WE'RE ASKING THE COMMITTEE TO VOTE FOR AN APPROVAL OF THE STAIRCASE OF TWO 40 WHERE THEY SIT, AND THEY WERE COMPLETED AS TWO SEPTEMBER, 2025.

MY TEAM AND I HAVE SPENT 14 MONTHS DEVELOPING THIS PLAN.

WE'VE BEEN BUILDING SINCE MAY.

UM, THE EXIT PATH IS WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FACING TOWARDS THE EAST, UH, UNLESS WE COMPLETELY DEMOLISH, UH, THE PICKLEBALL COURT THAT IS PROPOSED.

UM, AND WHILE WE DON'T, WE WOULDN'T WANNA LOSE IT.

IT WOULD ALSO IT CAUSE US TO EXTEND THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, TWO FEET TO THE NORTH PAST THE BUILDING LINE, UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMPANY THOSE STAIRS DUE TO, UH, EGRESS AND OUR, UM, I FORGOT WHAT IT'S CALLED, GREASE TRAP BEING LOCATED RIGHT THERE IN THE, UH, A DITCH ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING TOO.

UM, YEAH, THAT'S MORE STOP STORY STUFF.

I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S REALLY IT FOR ME.

UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, NO QUESTIONS.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, COMMISSIONER ZUKA, I'M GONNA START WITH YOU, SIR.

WE'RE STILL NOT HEARING YOU, SIR, SO UNFORTUNATELY YOU HAD TO MOVE ON.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.

I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

UM, MAYBE JUST IF ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS PRESENT COULD, UH, KIND OF GIVE SOME FEEDBACK.

YES, THAT WAS MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER MAZUA.

UM, WE DID LOOK AT THE SITE, UM, THERE IS A GREASE TRAP LOCATED ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PLAN, UH, ABOVE THE BUILDING, UH, BASICALLY WHERE THAT, UH, THOSE RED DASH LINES ARE.

UM, I REQUESTED, UH, THE APPLICANT TALK TO DSD AND, AND FIRE MARSHAL TO TALK ABOUT HAVING A, UM, HIGHER RATED WALL ON THAT SIDE SO THAT THE FIRE STAIR COULD RUN ALONG THERE.

AND, UH, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS IT STILL NEEDS TO BE THREE FEET, EVEN IF THE WALL GOES TO TWO HOUR RATED, UH, IT IS DUE TO THREE FEET DUE TO THE, UH, CAPACITY LIMIT OF THE STAIRCASE.

UH, THE THREE FEET KEEPS US AT A 50 PERSON RATING.

UH, WE'D HAVE TO EXTEND, I BELIEVE IT WAS TO, UH, OKAY, SORRY.

NO, UH, YEAH, THREE FOOT MINIMUM DISTANCE, UH, WITH A TWO HOUR FIREWALL.

CURRENTLY IT'S A ONE HOUR FIREWALL, SO WE CAN'T, I'M GUESSING WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNLESS WE, UM, INCREASE THE FIREWALL RATING FROM ONE HOUR TO A TWO HOUR.

UH, 'CAUSE ONE HOUR IS ONLY SUPPORTED BY THREE FOUR, WE COULD DO A TWO HOUR.

UM, ALSO TO, JUST TO, UM, MAYBE CLARIFY, UM, THAT HE, HE SENT ME AN EMAIL AS WELL.

HE WAS ALSO NOTING THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM DISTANCE OF THREE FEET WITH THE WOOD, UH, STAIR ON THAT WALL.

SO EVEN IF THEY WERE TO INCREASE THE, TO A TWO HOUR F FIRE RATING, UM, IT, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THAT STAIR CLOSER TO THAT WALL.

UM, AND GIVEN THE THREE FOOT REQUIREMENT, UM, THE STAIR LOCATION WOULD STILL IMPACT THAT, UH, GREASE TRAP, UH, LINE.

AND WE WERE, UH, INFORMED THAT THE EXISTING, UM, METAL FENCE ON ALAMO STREET AND, UH, THE SIDE STREET, WHAT'S THE SIDE STREET NINTH STREET, UM, ARE PLANNING, THE OPERATORS ARE PLANNING TO KEEP THOSE IN PLACE.

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AND SO THEY WERE ADVOCATING THAT THIS STAIR WOULD NOT HAVE, UH, MUCH VISIBILITY FROM ALAMO.

UM, BUT ONE CONCERN WAS THAT, UH, SHOULD THOSE FENCES COME DOWN IN THE FUTURE, THEN THAT STAIR WOULD BE RIGHT THERE IN THE, THE FRONT OF THE, THE BUILDING.

UM, THANK YOU.

AND I JUST, I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION ON THE FENCES.

GREAT.

AND I THINK FOR STEP, SO BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS PUTTING UP A 10 FOOT FENCE ON ALAMO BECAUSE OF THE PICKLE PORT PICKLEBALL COURTS, CORRECT? YES.

AND SO THEY WERE APPROVED FOR A 12 FOOT TALL, UM, 12 FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE.

UH, IT'S PER CODE, IT'S REQUIRED TO BE FIVE FEET SET BACK FROM THE, UM, FROM THAT ALAMO STREET.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE, IT HAS TO, UM, IT HAS TO BE AROUND THE PICKLEBALL COURT OR ALONG THAT PERIMETER.

SO IT'S GONNA BE HERE, UM, LET ME PULL IT UP.

UM, THE WAY THAT THE LOT IS SET UP IS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TWO PICKLEBALL COURTS ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GO INTO, UM, A FEW FEET AND THEN INTO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AND I CAN GO TO THE SITE PLAN AS WELL.

HAVING A LITTLE BIT HARD TIME HEARING YOU , BUT, UM, BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND.

SO LIKE IF THEY'RE PROOF FOR 12 FOOT FENCE, THEY WANNA PUT UP THE 12 FOOT FENCE BECAUSE THEY WANT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.

SO THEY WANT THE STAIRWAY THERE ALSO BECAUSE THEY WANNA KEEP IT.

SO IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO, IF ANYBODY WERE IN THE FUTURE TO CHANGE THAT FENCE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AS WELL.

UM, UH, FOR, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING TO REMOVE THE 12 FOOT TALL FENCE? WELL, IT WAS JUST BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS IF THAT WALL WERE TO COME DOWN AT SOME POINT, BUT IT RIGHT NOW AS IT IS, IT WOULDN'T WITHOUT COMING BACK TO US.

CORRECT.

IF HE WAS WANTING TO, SO THE EXISTING METAL WALL, UM, IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN, SO THERE'S NO RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF OR ANYONE ELSE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR COME DOWN.

UM, AND AS COMMISSIONER FETZER HAD MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT'S INTENTION IS TO KEEP THIS FOR SECURITY PURPOSES, BUT IF HE WERE TO REMOVE THIS METAL WALL FENCING, IF HE WERE WANTING TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT, UM, GOES OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S APPROVABLE, THEN HE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK EITHER TO THIS COMMISSION OR THE COMPLIANCE TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.

BUT THE WAY THAT STAFF WOULD LOOK AT IT IS, IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A FRONT YARD FENCING CONDITION, SO IT WOULD BE THE TYPICAL FOUR FEET AND HEIGHT WITH, UM, ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS.

THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT A OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THIS TYPE OF WALL ADMINISTRATIVELY.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER HIGHLAND.

JUST FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER GRU WAS SAYING, SO IF, IF THE WALLS 10 FEET OR IF THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT'S 10 FEET, WHEN WILL WILL THAT NEED TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION TO COME DOWN FOR ANY REASON? THAT'S JUST FOR CLARITY.

GREAT.

GREAT QUESTION.

IF THE APPLICANT OR A FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO REMOVE THOSE FENCES, THE REMOVAL OF THE FENCE WOULD BE, UM, APPROVABLE ADMINISTRATIVELY.

VICE SHERIFF HETZER? YES.

UM, SOMETHING I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ABOUT IS ARE THE TWO, IS THE PROPERTY WITH THE STRUCTURE AND THE PROPERTY WITH THE PICKLE BALLS ARE THAT PLATTED TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES? UH, I, I BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES, UH, CURRENTLY SPLIT BY THE GREASE TRAP LINE.

UM, AND THAT'S WHAT'S KIND OF CAUSING THE, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE STAIRCASE ISSUE AS WELL AS IN REGARDS TO THE FIRE CODE RECOMMENDED FOR HOW FAR WE HAVE TO HAVE THE STAIRCASE AWAY FROM IT.

IT BOTH INTRUDES ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT, IT SITS ABOVE THE GREASE TRAP, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS, UH, A VIOLATION STATED TOWARDS US THAT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO.

THROUGH A, UM, RE PLATING PROCESS TO COMBINE THE PROPERTIES THAT MAY ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL WIGGLE ROOM ON INSTALLING THE STAIR TO THAT NORTH WALL, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS, YOU KNOW, NOTED THAT, UM, AND HE HAD MENTIONED THIS DURING THE SITE VISIT WAS IT'S THEIR INTENT, IT IS THEIR INTENTION TO KEEP THE THREE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND THERE'S, UM, STANDARD REGULATION ABOUT HOW WIDE THEY CAN BE AND SUCH.

BUT IF THE, IF IT WASN'T TWO, UH, SEPARATE PROPERTIES AND MAYBE STAFF CAN CLARIFY THIS, THEN TECHNICALLY THE STAIR COULD GO ALONG THAT EAST SIDE OR THE, UH, THE NORTH SIDE, NORTH SIDE.

UM, THEY WOULD LOSE A PICKLEBALL QUARTER THAT THEIR, THEIR USE OF THAT PART OF THE SITE WOULD'VE TO BE RECONFIGURED.

UM, BUT IS IT TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES? I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.

IF, IF THEY ARE INDEED TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES AND THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN GO

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AND SO ANY, UM, ANY STAIR INSTALLED ON THAT NORTH WALL WILL UH, RESULT IN THE REMOVAL OF ONE OF THE PICKLE WALL COURTS.

UM, AND IT MAY INTERFERE WITH THAT.

UM, GREASE LINE.

GREASE TRAP THAT'S RIGHT THERE TOO.

COMMISSIONER SABINO.

UM, SO HAVING A SURVEY SHOWING, UH, PROPERTY LINES AND MEETS AND BOUNDS, ET CETERA, WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THIS CONVERSATION.

UH, WITH THE WOOD STAIRCASE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, THAT WAS BUILT WITHOUT THE COA HAS, UM, IT BEEN STRUCTURALLY INSPECTED EITHER BY YOUR ENGINEER OR BY THE CITY YET? UH, THE CURRENT STAIRCASE HAS BEEN IN, UH, BEEN INSPECTED BY CITY.

UH, JUST, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER.

I KNOW IT WAS BY FIRE BUILDING AND MEP, UH, OBVIOUSLY EXCEPT FOR HISTORICAL, UM, THEY'VE ALL SEEN THE STRUCTURE.

THEY'VE ALL APPROVED IT.

UM, TO BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND STABLE FOR, UH, 240 PEOPLE OF TRAFFIC, I BELIEVE FOR THE LOAD.

UM, I COULDN'T.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, SO TO CONFIRM, IF WE WENT WITH A TWO HOUR WALL ON THAT NORTH WALL, YOU COULD PUT A STAIRCASE THERE AS LONG AS IT'S BUILT OF A NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL WITHOUT, UH, GOING OVER WHERE THE GREASE SHOP LINE IS OR POSSIBLY EVEN CUTTING INTO THE COURTS MM-HMM .

UM, THAT IS A, I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY.

UM, I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THE FIRE CODE MYSELF JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE WOOD THAT'S HANGING Y'ALL UP.

IT'S THE WOOD MATERIAL THAT CREATES THE LIMITATIONS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, UM, IF YOU EXPLORED NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, WE WELD AND PUT STRINGERS TOGETHER AND DO ALL SORTS OF METAL THINGS.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAD, UH, RESEARCHED THAT? UH, I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY, I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS MY, UM, LEAD, UM, CONSTRUCTION PER, UH MM-HMM PERSON, UM, I BELIEVE THEY'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT FEASIBLE OPTIONS BECAUSE, UM, THEY ARE POSSIBLY CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE IS GONNA BE, UM, A LOT OF BEVERAGES THAT FLOW POSSIBLY UP AND DOWN THE STAIRCASES.

YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE WORRIED ABOUT, SAY IF WE CHOOSE A METAL SURFACE, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DRINKS.

IT'S, YEAH, IT'S DONE FREQUENTLY, SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF Y'ALL HAD PURSUED THAT.

'CAUSE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO USE THE TWO HOUR WALL IN THE PROXIMITY.

I, I WOULD SAY POSSIBLY, BUT I CANNOT SPEAK FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT.

COMMISSIONER MANN? NO, NO QUESTIONS.

UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I'LL DO A MOTION PLEASE, MA'AM.

I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE AS, UH, SUBMITTED WITH A STIPULATION THAT ALL FENCING BE, UM, KEPT AND AT LEAST, UH, WHATEVER'S THERE RIGHT NOW AND ANY NEW FENCING WITH A PICKLEBALL BE 12 FOOT HEIGHT.

MAKES IT LESS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND STILL KEEPING.

IT'S BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY.

SECOND, AND HERE'S THE DEAL.

I, I, UM, I UNDERSTAND FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION AND THEN, UM, I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE DRC, BUT I DID GO BY I THINK THE VISIBILITY AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE LAST PRESENTATION.

AND THIS CASE HAS BEEN BEFORE US A LOT AND THERE'S BEEN HUGE MODIFICATIONS TO THIS HOME FROM WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE TO WHAT IT'S GONNA BECOME.

UM, SO I, THE, THE STAIRCASE TO THE LEFT, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS METAL.

UM, I GUESS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ASKING FOR THIS, YES, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO PUT A NORTH, THEY WOULD LOSE A PICKLEBALL, THEY HAVE TO REROUTE THE GREASE TRAP.

LIKE, AND I GUESS IT'S MAYBE CONFUSION WITH DSD AND I APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER FE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THAT TOO.

IT'S LIKE IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, FIREWALL REQUIREMENT THAT MADE THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT HAS PROBABLY NOT, UM, UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES DO MEAN, BUT HE HAS ALREADY COMPLIED WITH A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS AROUND THE PROPERTY.

UM, WE ALWAYS ALSO WANNA ACCOMMODATE SOMETIMES THE APPLICANT'S, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DO UNDERSTAND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND I MEAN THIS AREA, THIS CORNER NEEDS SOME DEVELOPMENT, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO IT, BUT I THINK THE FENCING OF IT IS THE REASON WHY, UM, IF THE FENCE WERE TO COME DOWN, I THINK THE STAIRWAY SHOULD COME DOWN ANOTHER SOLUTION.

I THINK THE FENCE IS,

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AND I THINK LAST TIME TOO, I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION LIKE THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS NORTH ALAMO BECAUSE OF THE ADDRESS, BUT REALLY IT LOOKS LIKE MORE, IT'S NINTH STREET, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE ALMOST A CORNER.

SO KIND OF GOING WITH THAT DIRECTION, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, SO WE HAVE A STAIRCASE ON ONE EXTREME CORNER AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER STAIRCASE ON THE OTHER CORNER AND KIND OF GOING WITH THAT.

BUT I THINK THE FENCE AND THE FENCE HEIGHT IS IMPORTANT.

I HEAR.

UM, I'LL TRY AGAIN.

UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, UM, COMMENTS? NO, NO COMMENTS.

ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER SANTES? YEAH, JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GRU, UH, ON EVERYTHING SHE SAYS, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FENCE.

I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON IT.

CAN HE REPAIR THE FRONT THE FENCE, UPGRADE THE FENCE WITHOUT TAKING IT? NOW WHAT ARE HIS LIMITATIONS WITH THAT FENCE? I UNDERSTAND HE CAN'T TAKE IT DOWN AND PUT A NEW ONE UP.

I GET IT, BUT WHAT CAN HE DO WITH WHAT HE'S GOT THERE? SO, UM, IF STAFFORD RECEIVE AN APPLICATION FOR REPAIR OF THE FENCE, THEN WE WOULD, UM, SO LONG AS IT'S CONSIDERED IN KIND, THEN WE WOULD, UM, ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE THAT.

NOW, UM, THERE'S CERTAIN PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO REPAIR, I BELIEVE IT'S IF MORE THAN 25% OF THE WALL NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, THEN IT REQUIRES A PERMIT.

UM, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY NEED TO RECEIVE A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, GIVEN THAT AS A CORRUGATED METAL MATERIAL.

SO, UM, BUT SO LONG AS IT'S IN KIND REPAIR WITH OHP, THEY WOULD RECEIVE A ADMINISTRATIVE COA.

OKAY, SO YOU GOTTA KEEP UP WITH THAT FENCE, RIGHT? YOU'RE I'M GOING WITH THAT, RIGHT? NO, DEFINITELY BECAUSE IT WOULD CAUSE A WHOLE, UH RIGHT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO, RIGHT, RIGHT.

THERE YOU GO.

YOU GOOD? COMMISSIONER GROUP? YOU GOOD? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER LING, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER FEOR? YES.

UM, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

I THINK THERE ARE STILL OTHER OPTIONS SUCH AS NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIAL FOR THE STAIR AND RELOCATING IT ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, SINCE THE OTHER, UH, EXIT STAIR THAT'S ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED IS, UH, OUT OF STEEL CONSTRUCTION.

UM, SO THERE IS PRECEDENT AND UM, SO I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER SINO? UM, I, UM, I ALSO WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR THE VERY REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER MENTIONED.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, UM, EVEN TO THE POINT THAT ONE COULD DO A NON-COMBUSTIBLE METAL STAIRCASE IN THAT SAME LOCATION AND IT WOULD LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

YOU COULD MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, LIGHT AND VERY ETHEREAL AND IT WOULDN'T BE SORT OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE GROWTH, THE MASSIVE HEAVY WOOD GROWTH THAT IT IS NOW THAT OBSTRUCTS THAT ELEVATION, WHETHER IT'S A SIDE OR FRONT, WHATEVER IT IS, AN INTRUSION ON THAT, ON THAT BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

SO, UM, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE IF THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES TO RECONSIDERING THAT STAIRCASE MATERIAL.

ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.

SINO NAY.

UM, COMMISSIONER ZUKA.

OKAY, SINCE WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T COUNT THAT.

UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP? AYE.

ANTES? YES.

HOLLAND? AYE.

FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.