* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:23] GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. I'D LIKE TO DO A [Roll Call] ROLL CALL, PLEASE, BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT KENE, DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT FOUR, XAVIER TOSEN, DISTRICT TWO, SUMMER GRADE HOUSE DISTRICT ONE, MARK WHITE, DISTRICT 10 AND DISTRICT NINE, JOHN BUSTAMONTE, DISTRICT FIVE. ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN, FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT. GAIL MCDANIEL, MAYOR. THANK YOU. STAFF. AS A QUORUM PRESENT, QUORUM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. NOW, UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT OF PRIVILEGE. UM, WE HAD A, UH, FELLOW ZONING COMMISSIONER WHO SERVED, UM, UH, AND DID SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB ON BEHALF OF, UM, HIS CITY. HIS NAME WAS, UH, REAGAN GREER. AND IF EVERYONE PLE WOULD PLEASE BOW THEIR HEADS. WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND, UH, RESPECT FOR HIM. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR MEETING, UH, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES. UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORGE YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND THE NEXT INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST. FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. YOU WILL BE CALLED AN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU'LL HEAR THIS WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU'LL HEAR ANOTHER BEEP AND WE WILL INFORM YOU THAT YOUR TWO MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. I THINK THAT, UM, WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID THAT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 12 WOULD BE MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL, BUT WE HAVE, UM, NOW WE'RE HOPING THAT IT'LL BE MOVED TO COMBINED HEARING ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR, UH, CONTINUANCES RIGHT TO CON, UH, COMBINE HEARING TWO FOR CONTINUANCE. IT'S OKAY. SO, UM, IF WE COULD ADJUST THE SHOWING ON THE SCREEN TO REFLECT THAT PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 12 IS MOVING TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO, NOT, NOT INDIVIDUAL COMBINED. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 15 IS MOVING TO INDIVIDUAL. OKAY. UH, MM-HMM . OKAY. ONCE THE SCREEN IS BACK. OKAY, GOOD. UM, DO YOU MIND, UH, GOING OVER THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTPONED, WITHDRAWN, [00:05:01] OR PULLED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS HAVE BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. THESE ARE ITEM NUMBER TWO AT 1 0 7 WEST ASHBY PLACE ITEM NUMBER THREE AT 50 63 NORTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10 AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR AT 25 20 MONTEREY STREET AND THREE 12 AL SALMO STREET. OKAY. AND I, MARCO, I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING VISIBLY, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND WHILE WE'RE, UH, DISCUSSING THE CASES THAT ARE, UM, SO THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE WHICH ONES WE'RE SPEAKING OF. CAN WE JUST HAVE THAT ITEM LISTED REAL QUICK? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT TO SHOW THE POSTPONED WITHDRAWN. PROBABLY MORE. YOU'RE PROBABLY JUST GONNA HAVE TO ZOOM IN ALL THE WAY TO ONE PAGE PER SCREEN. YEAH. OKAY. SO IF ANYBODY IS HERE FOR ANY OF THESE CASES, THEY WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. OKAY. GREAT. UM, WE ARE READY [Items 1, 6, 7, 10, 16, 17, 20, & 21] TO MOVE ON TO OUR COMBINED HEARING ITEM NUMBER ONE. OKAY. ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, THIS IS A DISCUSSION IN ACTION RELATING TO THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND AUTHORIZING A CHANGE TO THE B O A RULES AND PROCEDURE DOCUMENT IN ORDER TO MODIFY THE B O A COMPOSITION ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE AND A AND C D FIVE A H O D TO C THREE AND A SS N C D FIVE A H O D WITH SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY LOCATED AT 7 38 WEST HILDEBRAND AVENUE. THE FOLLOWING ITEM HAS THIS CONDITION. ANY STORAGE OR MATERIALS OF MATERIALS OR ANY MATERIALS SHALL BE ENCLOSED IN A WALLED AND ROOF STRUCTURE. THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR TO AN OPPOSITION AND BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, TO REZONE FROM C TWO A H O D C THREE R A H O D AND O TWO A A H O D TO MF 40 A H O D. GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST LOOP FOUR 10 AND PIN OAK DRIVE. THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 10, TO REZONE FROM C TWO M L O D THREE M L R ONE A H O D TO C TWO S M O D THREE M L R ONE A H O D GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF SUMMERFEST DRIVE AND NORTH FOSTER ROAD. THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED 19 RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND SUNRISE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. THERE WERE ALSO 17 NOTICES RECEIVED IN FAVOR FROM OUTSIDE THE NOTIFICATION AREA. ITEM NUMBER 15 WENT TO INDIVIDUAL. SO MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16 TO REZONE FROM R FIVE A H O D TO R FIVE C D A H O D WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PRIVATE LIBRARY LOCATED AT 9 0 3 MELISSA DRIVE. THERE WERE 25 NOTICES MAILED, THEN RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE GREATER HARMONY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 17 TO REZONE FROM C THREE NA AND C D FIVE A H O D TO R R THREE AND C D FIVE A H O D LOCATED AT 19 10 19 CAPITAL AVENUE. THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 20, TOONE FROM I ONE A H O D AND I ONE H SS A H O D TO I DZ, THREE A H O D AND I D Z THREE H L A H O D WITH THE USES PERMITTED IN C THREE, AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL AND MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS NOT TO EXCEED 570 UNITS. LOCATED AT 10 0 8 HOFFAN AVENUE, 10 10 HOFF AVENUE, 10 10 HOFF AVENUE ONE AND 5 0 9 DELAWARE STREET. THERE WERE 22 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. AND ITEM NUMBER 21 TO REZONE [00:10:01] FROM C THREE A H O D TO R THREE A H O D LOCATED AT 2 41 ROUND STREET. THERE WERE 58 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND WEST HOPE IN ACTION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THAT DOES CONCLUDE THE COMBINED HEARING. ITEM NUMBER ONE. MADAM CHAIR, WE DO HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THESE ITEMS. OH, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR, UH, FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL START WITH ITEM NUMBER SIX. SIMA. MARCO, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT COMBINED HEARING ITEM NUMBER ONE LIST? GOOD AFTERNOON. SIMA COLVIN FROM THE BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE ALL THESE ON CONSENT OR COMBINED, BUT WE DO LIKE TO READ OUR STATEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD, ESPECIALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMISSIONERS SEE US WHEN WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF CASES AND NOT ONLY WHEN WE'RE IN OPPOSITION. SO REGARDING 7 38 WEST HILDEBRAND, THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FIRST BECAME AWARE OF THIS CASE ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, 2019 WHEN WE RECEIVED NOTICE FROM D S D OF ITS PLACEMENT ON THE 9 17 19 ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA. THE APPLICANT ATTENDED OUR MONTHLY N A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 9TH DUE TO TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. THE MEMBERSHIP AGREED THAT MR. HERNANDEZ SHOULD MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ZONING AND URBAN SIGN COMMITTEE, WHICH HE DID. THE GENESIS OF THIS ZONING REQUEST WAS AS A RESULT OF NEEDING TO REPLACE HIS CARPORT ROOF AFTER A SPRING STORM DAMAGED IT AND HE WAS TOLD HE WAS IN VIOLATION OF HIS ZONING, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW FOR OUTSOURCE OUTSIDE. UM, THE AGREEMENT REACHED WITH MR. HERNANDEZ AT THE ZED MEETING WAS THAT WHEN HE, THAT HE WOULD FIRST APPLY FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PERMANENT STRUCTURE AND THEN WE COULD SUPPORT THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THIS REASON. THE CASE WAS CONTINUED LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. SINCE THEN, MR. HERNANDEZ HAS APPLIED WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE TWO VARIANCES HE WILL NEED. AND D S D STAFF ADDED A CONDITION TO THE SPECIAL USE THAT WILL PROHIBIT OUTSIDE STORAGE, FORCING HIM TO EITHER BUILD A STRUCTURE OR USE ONE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY. EITHER WAY, THIS SHOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE CURRENT SITUATION. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND 7 38 WEST HILDEBRAND IS IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST AND WE RESPECT HER POSITION, BUT THE CULPRIT OF THE INTENSE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED AT THE PROPERTY IS THE C THREE BASE ZONING. WHILE ADDING THE SPECIAL USE WILL ADD TO THAT LIST, WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IMPACT WILL BE SIGNIFICANT. WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE REQUEST TO ADD THE SPECIAL USE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THE NEXT, UH, INDIVIDUAL SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ARE FOR NUMBER ITEM NUMBER 17, ALICIA CASTLEMAN. THANK YOU, SIMA. OKAY. AGAIN, OSA MCKELVIN, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. FIRST BECAME AWARE OF THIS CASE ON OCTOBER 24TH, 2019 WHEN WE RECEIVED NOTICE FROM D S D OF ITS PLACEMENT ON THE NOVEMBER 5TH ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA. AS THIS IS DOWN ZONING THAT WILL BRING THE ZONING IN LINE WITH OUR MIDTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS PLAN, WHICH INDICATES LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THIS PROPERTY. BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST. ULTIMATELY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DOWN ZONING OF THE SIX OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON THIS BLOCK OF CAPITAL TO ALSO BRING THEM INTO ALIGNMENT WITH OUR MIDTOWN NEIGHBORHOODS PLAN. BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASKS THAT YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REZONE TO R THREE N C D FIVE A H O D, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BEACON HILL AREA CONSERVATION DISTRICT AIRPORT HAZARD OVERLAY DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. THE FLOOR, UM, IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MAD CHAIR. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS IF APPLICABLE FOR ITEM NUMBERS 1 6 7 10 16, 17, 20, AND 21 SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? [00:15:01] YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, IF WE COULD, FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE, FOR THOSE CASES THAT WERE JUST HEARD AND DECIDED ON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION MEETING, BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SOME ROOM FOR PEOPLE FOR THAT. WERE HERE FOR CASES THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE CONSIDERED. SO IF WE CAN TAKE A MINUTE AS CHAIRS BECOME OPEN, PLEASE FILL UP THOSE CHAIRS. IF YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE DOOR, I'M GONNA NEED FOR YOU TO SHIFT TOWARDS THE WINDOWS SO WE CAN KEEP THE FIRE LANE OPEN. AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT HAVE WALKED IN LATE AND WANT TO SPEAK ON A CERTAIN ITEM, THEY NEED TO COME OVER HERE TO THIS TABLE AND SIGN IN TO SPEAK. YOU'LL ONLY BE RECOGNIZED IF YOU'RE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO COME TO THIS TABLE. LOOK FOR MY HAND OVER HERE. COME OVER HERE AND SIGN IN TO SPEAK. FOR THOSE THAT HAVE EMPTY CHAIRS NEXT TO YOU, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND SO THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU. AND THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN FIND A SEAT. IF YOU DID SIGN UP OUTSIDE ON A SHEET, YOU'RE FINE. WE DO HAVE YOUR SIGNATURE, YOUR NAME, AND YOUR, YOUR ADDRESS. WE'LL TAKE JUST A MOMENT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. JUST A REMINDER OF ANYONE STANDING IN THE AISLE, I NEED FOR YOU TO MOVE TOWARDS THE WINDOWS. MADAM CHAIR, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, WE CAN START WITH THE NEXT BATCH FOR CONTINUANCES. OKAY, WE'RE READY. ALL RIGHT. SO [5. 19-8115 (Continued from 10/15/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700161 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 CD AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for a Manufactured Home Park to "MF-18 AHOD" Limited Density Multi-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 9, Lot 10, Lot 11 and the East 25 feet of Lot 8, Block 8, NCB 7610, located at 138 Hermitage Court. Staff recommends Approval. (Associated Plan Amendment PA2019-11600042) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@SanAntonio.gov, Development Services Department)] THE VERY FIRST ITEM THAT WE'LL LOOK AT FOR A COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE AT 1 38 HERMITAGE COURT. THIS, UH, ITEM IS REQUESTED FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER THE THIRD. THERE WERE 39 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION HOT WELLS MISSION REACH IS OPPOSED. AGAIN. THIS IS FOR A, UH, FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER 3RD. PERSON WANTS CONTINUE. ALRIGHT. UM, IS THERE ANYONE, UM, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? NO, MA'AM. IT'S A CONTINUANCE. OKAY. SO IT'S, SO IF IT'S COMBINED, SO WE HAVE TO DO EACH ONE? YES MA'AM. I THINK THAT'S BEST BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THE ITEMS. OKAY, WONDERFUL. ALRIGHT. UM, WITH THE, UH, APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT. UM, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. WELL, I AM THE COMMISSIONER, UH, FOR THAT CASE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL, UH, DECEMBER 3RD, SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BUSER MONTE AYE. COMMISSIONER KATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM [9. 19-8004 (Continued from 10/01/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700221 (Council District 7): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "MF-18 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Limited Density Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on the Southwest 51 Feet of Northeast 221.6 Feet of Lot 33, and the Southwest 94 Feet of Northeast 315.6 Feet of Lot 33, Block B, NCB 11514, located at 4119 Willard Drive. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@SanAntonio.gov, Development Services Department)] IS ITEM NUMBER NINE. THIS IS A REQUEST, UH, TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO MF 18 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. AT 41 19 WILLARD DRIVE, THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM WOODLAWN HILLS OR UNIVERSITY PARK. THIS ITEM IS REQUE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO FOR TWO WEEKS ON THIS ITEM TO NOVEMBER [00:20:01] THE 19TH, THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER SIPES, DO WE WANT TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR NO? I'LL ASK AFTER YOU MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 19TH. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR CONTINUANCE, UM, WITH THE, UH, SECOND, UM, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. ITEM [11. 19-8116 (Continued from 10/15/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700225 (Council District 7): A request for a change in zoning from "R-5 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "RM-5 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Mixed Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 19, Block 4, NCB 13450, located at 5403 San Benito Drive. Staff recommends Denial. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)] NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO RMM FIVE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 54 0 3 SAN BENITO DRIVE, THERE ARE 40 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM COLLIBRA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE ZONING MEETING OF DECEMBER THE THIRD. THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES. THANK YOU FOR ITEM NUMBER 11. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF DECEMBER 3RD. UM, SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. . THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR CONTINUANCE, UM, WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. [12. 19-7852 (Continued from 10/15/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700228 (Council District 9): A request for a change in zoning from "I-1 AHOD" General Industrial Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-3 AHOD" General Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 37, Block 1, NCB 13197, located at 11902 Warfield Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, michael.pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST TO RE RESUME FROM I ONE A H O D TO C THREE A H O D, LOCATED AT 11 9 0 2 WARFIELD STREET. THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A CONTINUANCE TO NOVEMBER THE 19TH. THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. ITEM NUMBER 12 WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE FOR TWO WEEKS. SO THAT WOULD PUT IT AT THE NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING. SO I MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMINS. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES ALL. ITEM NUMBER [Items 14 & 18] 14. I'M GONNA READ ITEM NUMBER 14 AND ITEM NUMBER 18 TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING A HISTORIC OVERLAY. AND BOTH OF THESE ARE BEING REQUESTED FOR A CONTINUANCE BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THE REZONING IS FROM R SIX A H O D TO R SIX HHL, A H O D AT 4 34 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE, AS WELL AS R SIX A H O D AND R SIX TWO R SIX H L A H O D AT FOUR 30 EAST MAGNOLIA STREET. UH, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS STILL WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY ARE SEEKING A CONTINUANCE TO DECEMBER THE THIRD FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS, THAT'S ITEM 14. AND ITEM 18 ARE SEEKING CONTINUANCES TO DECEMBER THE THIRD. AND WE DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS. OKAY. MAY WE HAVE, UH, THOSE WHO ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, COME FORWARD PLEASE? FREDERIKA KUSHNER? UM, MY NAME IS FREDERIKA KUSHNER. I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST [00:25:01] OF MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL. AND I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. UM, AM I TO SPEAK ON BOTH OF THESE OR YOUR HONOR? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S FINE. AND I HAVE OKAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT I REALLY WANT TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT. I BELIEVE, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, HAVE BEEN, UM, GIVEN, UH, COPIES. I'M HOPING, UH, OF THE STATEMENT OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. UM, THAT WAS, UH, SENT IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS LATE LAST WEEK. UM, THAT IS OUR STAND ON THIS. UM, AND, UH, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME STAND WHEN IT COMES UP AGAIN IN DECEMBER. SO I DON'T WANNA, UM, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. UH, WE ARE DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THE HISTORIC, UH, LANDMARKING OF THESE, UH, BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COSIMA COLVIN FOR BOTH ITEMS 14 AND 18. COSIMA COLVIN, BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M ALSO GONNA PASS ON MY LETTER. I'LL READ THAT WHEN WE HEAR THE CASE. BUT, UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WILL SUPPORT THE TOBAN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND PAULA STARNS ON ITEM NUMBER 14 AND 18. MY NAME IS PAULA STARNS AND I LIVE AT TWO 19 EAST MAGNOLIA, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THESE TWO PROPERTIES. UM, I'M A MEMBER OF TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND ON THE ZONING COMMITTEE, WE CERTAINLY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION AND HOUSES THAT ARE BEING RIPPED DOWN. SO I AM CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR THESE TWO PROPERTIES THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD INTACT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. OH, EX, I'M SORRY. THERE'S ONE MORE FOR ITEM 18. TAMMY KEGLEY. HI THERE. I'M TAMMY KEGLEY. I LIVE AT 5 0 6 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY IN THE ALTA VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT. UH, WON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ALTA VISTA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SENT A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR BOTH PROPERTIES IN ITEMS NUMBER 14 AND 18. UH, OUR SUPPORT IS CONTINUING. WE'LL SEE YOU IN DECEMBER. AND AGAIN, I'LL ECHO THE CONCERN FOR THE LARGE NUMBER OF DEMOLITIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE TOKEN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE PAST YEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT CAME OUT, AND THANKS FOR YOUR BREVITY TODAY. UM, SO WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, TO CONTINUE ITEMS 14 AND 18 TO THE DECEMBER 3RD, UH, ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER MCGEE? YES. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. UM, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA, CASES NEXT. ALRIGHT, SO I KNOW WE HAVE A BIG GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE. UM, MANY OF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 22, WHICH WILL BE HEARD LAST ON THE AGENDA. I KNOW SOME OF YOU'RE SITTING ON THE FLOOR. WE DO HAVE AN OVERFLOW ROOM WHERE YOU CAN HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CASES THAT ARE GONNA BE HEARD. BEFORE THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE MORE COMFORTABLE, WE CAN PUT YOU INTO THAT OVERFLOW ROOM, WHICH IS JUST DOWN THE HALL. IT'S GOT SEATS, TABLES, AND WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE AUDIO ON BECAUSE I DO HAVE TO MAKE ROOM FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL OUTSIDE THAT HAVE, THAT ARE HERE FOR THESE CASES FIRST. SO IF YOU LIKE, WE CAN GET YOU TO SOME CHAIRS, THOSE THAT ARE STANDING FOR THAT LAST CASE, ITEM NUMBER 22. AND WE CAN PUT YOU INTO THE OVERFLOW ROOM. UM, WE, THE COMMISSION IS EXPECTED TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE THAT, SO THAT WAY WE'LL HAVE MORE SEATS AVAILABLE AS THOSE OTHER CASES CLEAR OUT. SO IF YOU LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO DO THAT, WE CAN LEAD YOU TO THAT ROOM NEXT DOOR. [00:30:14] AND FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, ARE STANDING FOR ITEMS 8, 13, 15, 19, AS THE SEATS BECOME AVAILABLE, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A SEAT, IT'S NOT THAT FAR. IT'S NOT DOWN, DOWN THE HALL. IT'S JUST LIKE ONE DOOR OVER. NEXT ROOM ADJACENT. THERE YOU GO. AFTER THE SNACK. THANK YOU. EVERYBODY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A WHILE. AND IF YOU ARE GONNA STAY SEATED, I'M GONNA NEED FOR YOU TO SIT NOT ON THE LEDGE. HEY, I THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY FOR THOSE STILL STANDING AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF SEATS. RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOU HAVE EMPTY SEATS. YES. FOR THOSE THAT ARE STILL HERE, THAT ARE STANDING OR SITTING, IF THERE'S EMPTY SEATS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THERE'S ONE HERE AT THE FRONT, A COUPLE OVER HERE TOO. AND THERE'S ONE IN THE BACK. AND THEN EVERYBODY HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER 22. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. AND DOMINIC WILL BE PRESENTING [8. 19-8003 (Continued from 10/01/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700220 CD (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 EP-1 MLOD-3 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Facility Parking/Traffic Control Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-4 CD EP-1 MLOD-3 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Facility Parking/Traffic Control Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for two (2) residential dwelling units on Lot 18 and the east 9 feet of Lot 17, Block 4, NCB 1422, located at 419 Belmont. Staff recommends Denial. (Dominic Silva, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0120, dominic.silva@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. IT'S FOR Z 2019. 1 0 7 0 0 2 2 0. UH, FROM R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO R FOUR CD CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELL RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 4 1 9 BELMONT 39. NOTICES MAILED SIX IN FAVOR. ONE IN OPPOSITION. NO RESPONSE FROM THE JEFF JEFFERSON HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION. UM, ALTHOUGH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE ARENA DISTRICT, EASTSIDE COMMUNITY PLAN, AND IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE COMPONENT OF THE PLAN, THE AREA IS DEVELOPED IS R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY. THE REZONING WOULD INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL DENSITY NOT ALREADY FOUND IN THE AREA. IF THE PROPERTY IS OWNER OCCUPIED, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MAY BE CONSTRUCTED WITH PROPER PERMITS IN THE REAR. ADDITIONALLY APPEARS THAT THE LOT WAS ONCE OCCUPIED BY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOME, WHICH WAS WHAT CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA STAFF RE MUST DIAL THE REPRESENTATIVES PRESENT. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS, UH, FELIX ZIGA. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT AND THE AGENT. UM, UM, I'LL BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHY, UH, OUR CLIENT IS SEEKING, UH, THE REZONING. UM, ORIGINALLY, UM, THE INTENT FOR THIS REZONING WAS TO REQUEST RMM FOUR, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE TWO DWELLING UNITS, UM, ON THE ONE PROPERTY. UH, AT THE SUGGESTION OF STAFF, WE CHANGED THE REQUEST, UM, TO CONDITIONAL USE BECAUSE WE ONLY NEED TWO RENT, TWO DWELLINGS VERSUS, UH, RMM FOUR WOULD ALLOW UP TO FOUR. SO THIS IS, UH, MORE RESTRICTIVE. UM, OUR CLIENT IS A DEVELOPER AND THEY'RE TRYING TO, UH, IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THIS IS A VACANT LOT. UM, THERE USED TO BE ONE HOME ON IT. UM, I THINK IT WAS EITHER DEMOLISHED OR THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT CAUGHT ON FIRE. SO NOW IT IS A, A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, UH, EXPRESSED CONCERNS WITH, UM, VA VAGRANTS, UH, HANGING OUT AT THE PROPERTY AND SUCH. SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, IT IS A MATTER OF ECONOMICS AND THE ART, THE, THE VENTURE THAT IS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT IS A FOR-PROFIT VENTURE. AND, UM, TWO HOMES MAKES SENSE FINANCIALLY WHERE ONE LARGER HOME MAY NOT. IT WOULD ALSO, ONE LARGER HOME WOULD BE AT A HIGHER PRICE POINT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS TWO SMALLER HOMES WOULD BE MORE ACCESSIBLE, UH, TO THE MARKET. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME ATTACHMENTS, UM, IN THIS, UH, U S B DRIVE THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE, UM, WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, RIGHT THERE YOU'RE SEEING OUR SITE PLAN. SO IT SHOWS, UM, THESE ARE THE LETTERS IN SUPPORT AND THEY JUST, I KNOW THERE WAS A RECAP THAT SIX WERE RECEIVED. THESE JUST EXPRESS KIND OF WHAT, WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS WERE SAYING. UM, THE, MAYBE WE CAN JUMP TO THE, UM, UH, [00:35:01] JUMP TO THE FLOOR PLANS, WHICH IS THAT ONE? YEAH. UH, THE NEXT ONE, SORRY. SO THIS IS THE SIDE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY SAW. UM, OUR, OUR FLOOR PLANS ARE, UH, WIDER THAN SOME OF THE HOMES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. A LOT OF THE HOMES, UH, HISTORICALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE BUILT ON, UH, 25 FOOT WIDE LOTS. SO HISTORICALLY THESE PROPERTIES WERE PLATTED, UM, AS SHOTGUN HOUSES. UM, AND WE HAVE DONE SOME SHOTGUN HOMES IN THE AREA. THIS, THIS IS A WIDER LOT. IT'S 60 FOOT WIDE, SO WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING, UH, 20 FOOT WHITE HOMES INSTEAD OF 16. UM, CAN YOU, UH, I HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS WORK. THE, THESE, THIS, THESE ARE KIND OF MORE CLOSER TO THE WIDTH OF THE HOMES THAT WE WILL BE PURSUING. THESE ARE SOME OF OUR DESIGNS. THESE ARE IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, IF YOU KEEP SCROLLING, THESE ARE THE SHOTGUN TWO STORY STYLE HOMES IN THE JEFFERSON HEIGHTS AREA THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. THESE ARE WHEN THE LOTS ARE 25 FOOT WIDE AND ALLOW FOR THIS. UM, I THINK WITH THIS REZONING, EACH HOUSE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 33 FOOT WIDTH PROPERTIES, UH, OR LOTS. SO WE WOULD, WE'RE PLANNING ON KIND OF A SIMILAR STYLE OF, OF AS THIS, BUT WIDER. SO 20 FOOT WIDE INSTEAD OF 16. UM, AND JUST A FEW POINTS I WANTED TO HIT BEFORE I I LET YOU GUYS, UM, DISCUSS IS, UH, THERE'S SOME MULTIFAMILY, UM, EXISTING MULTIFAMILY DOWN THE STREET FROM US. UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR MEDIUM DENSITY IN THIS AREA. SO, UM, WE THOUGHT OUR REQUEST WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. UM, PARKING WILL BE WITHIN THE PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT DEPENDING ON, ON STREET PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, THE DWELLING UNITS WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THE DWELLING UNITS FACE, BOTH HOUSES FACE THE STREET TO TRY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BLOCK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS HAVING ONE HOUSE IN THE FRONT, ONE HOUSE IN THE BACK. UM, AND THE, THE PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR MIXED USE. UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR MIXED USE, JUST ONE STREET SOUTH OF US. SO THERE'S, THERE IS SOME DENSITY PLANNED, UH, FOR THE AREA AND WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE POINTS WE WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, UH, AS FAR AS OUR POSITION GOES. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE MAY, UM, CALL YOU BACK UP FOR QUESTIONS AND POSSIBLY RESPOND IF ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. UM, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. UM, COMMISSIONER TOSEN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUTS ON THIS, UH, OWNER REQUEST. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONERS, AM I RIGHT? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YEAH, FOR THE APPLICANT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING 'CAUSE I'M SEEING DIFFERENT THINGS. MM-HMM. , YOU'RE GOING TO, IS THERE AN EXISTING HOUSE YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE? NO, THE, THE, THE HOUSE IS GONE. IT'S NO LONGER THERE. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO, TWO STORY HOUSES SIDE BY SIDE? CORRECT. THAT IS THE INTENT BOTH WITH THE FRONT DOOR FACING THE MAIN STREET? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, YOU SAID STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT YOU GO R FOUR, BUT YOU WANTED UH, R M FOUR? YES, MA'AM. COULD. ALRIGHT, THEN MY QUESTION TO STAFF, COULD YOU KIND OF GIVE US A RUNDOWN WHY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL? I CAN READ IT, BUT LET'S, MOST OF THE, UM, ZONING WITHIN THE AREA WAS ALREADY R FOUR, CONDITIONING IT FOR THE TWO UNITS WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ONLINE WITH THEIR AREA. CORRECT. WHAT'S YOUR REASON FOR THE DENIAL? BECAUSE MOST OF THE HOW, UM, THE USES IN THE AREA IS ALREADY RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY AND NOT FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE OF THE MEDIUM DENSITY. OKAY. TO THE APPLICANT. THEN THESE ARE, THESE ARE RESIDENCES, RIGHT? YES. THEY WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY OWNER OCCUPIED. AND, AND AGAIN, THE REASON THAT WE DECIDED TO PURSUE THIS IS BECAUSE THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN CALLS FOR MIXED DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO WE, WE MADE THE DECISION BASED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S BEEN NEW DEVELOPMENT ACROSS FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD THAT IS OR HOW NEW? UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND IT WAS BUILT IN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, I WANNA SAY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND I'M REFERENCING GOOGLE THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING [00:40:01] LOOKS LIKE A NEW SIDEWALK AND CURB HAS BEEN PUT IN AS WELL. IS THAT ON YOUR SIDE? UM, I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE ON THAT, BUT I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT, UH, STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THAT JEFFERSON HEIGHTS, GREATER JEFFERSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. THAT'S NICE. AND HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN A VACANT LOT, DO YOU KNOW? UM, PROBABLY AT LEAST 10 YEARS. IF I WERE TO, IF I WERE TO GUESS, A LOT OF THESE VACANT LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, JADED AND OUTDATED FOR A VERY LONG TIME. A A LONG TIME. OKAY. UM, AND THEN YOU GOT FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENCES. THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF YOUR PROJECT. DID YOU SHOW THEM THE SLIDES THAT YOU SHOWED US? YES, MA'AM. SO, UH, I KNOW THAT THE, THAT WE HAVE SIX LETTERS IN FAVOR OF, OF NEIGHBORS IN THE 200 OR JUST IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO THE 200 FOOT RADIUS. I KNOW THAT THE, WE, WE, I MET THE, THE HOMEOWNER THAT WAS AGAINST THE PROJECT. SHE HAD CONCERNS WITH JUST DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL IN THE AREA. UM, BUT, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. SO NO, WE CAN'T, BUT THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. COMMISSIONER TOSEN. OKAY. THANK YOU, UH, SO MUCH FOR YOUR INPUTS, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING, UM, PROVIDE INFORMATION AND THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UH, SPEAKING OF AND ALSO THE PRESENTATION OF THE, UM, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING, UM, AND LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AND LOOKING AT WHERE, UM, THE COMMUNITY MAY BE MOVING TOWARDS. UM, GONNA RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, UH, PARTICULAR DEAL. I SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. AND I'M SORRY, I DID HAVE A QUESTION. SO WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF YOUR PROPOSED PROJECT? UM, EACH FLOOR WILL BE, UM, OR FLOOR TO CEILING IS NINE FEET AND THEN OUR GABLES WILL LIKELY BE ANOTHER SIX FEET. SO WE'RE LOOKING NO HIGHER THAN 26 FEET. THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE UH, HEIGHT IN THIS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS USUALLY 35. SO WE'LL BE ABOUT 10 FOOT SHORTER THAN THAT. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WRESTLING WITH ACTUALLY HERE IN THIS SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT. I DON'T SEE A PREPONDERANCE OF TWO STORY BUILDINGS AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THESE TWO, UM, SITES OR THESE TWO STRUCTURES BEING KIND OF SQUEEZED TOGETHER ON THAT LOT AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, LOOK, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IS THAT WITHIN THE PUR OF THIS COMMISSION, SORRY. OKAY, SORRY. THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING IS, UH, CLOSED AS A MATTER OF FACT. UM, UNLESS WE CALL YOU BACK UP, YOU'RE FEEL, UH, FREE TO HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THEY JUST ASKED ME A QUESTION. SORRY MA'AM. OKAY. YEAH, NO WORRIES. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UM, I'M KIND OF TORN ON THIS ONE TOO. UH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE JUST KEEP GETTING THE SAME GENERIC CASE OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH CONSISTENCY ON IT. UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE DI DISRUPTION TO THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS IN OUR PURVIEW. 'CAUSE THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF LAND USE. IT'S A DENSER LAND USE AND JUST BECAUSE THE PLAN ALLOWS IT DOESN'T MEAN IT REQUIRES IT. UM, THE SIZE OF THE LOT IS GIVING ME PAUSE AS WELL. I FEEL MORE, I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS THAN THE ORIGINAL REQUEST, BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE I CAN SUPPORT THIS ONE. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I CONCUR WITH, UH, THE COMMENTS OF THE LAST TWO COMMISSIONERS. ALRIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, YEAH, I COULD APPRECIATE THE DENSITY CONCERN, BUT I DO THINK THAT, THANK GOODNESS THAT WE CAN ALLOW THIS TO HAVE TO BE BUILT HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE A VACANT LOT THAT'S SITTING THERE VERY STAGNANT FOR OVER A DECADE. HOW ARE WE GONNA PUT SOMETHING THERE CONSIDERING THE TIMEFRAME, THE ECONOMY FRAME, ALL OF THOSE THAT WE'RE IN TODAY, WE'RE NOT IN THE DATE OF WHEN THESE HOUSES OR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS BUILT. SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. I THINK IT DOES CONFORM WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED ACROSS THE STREET OTHER THAN THE DENSITY, BUT THE DENSITY IS ALLOWING BUILDING TO HAPPEN AND, UM, SO I, I WOULD AS COMMISSIONERS CONSIDER THAT IMPROVEMENT TO THE STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. UM, I TEND TO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. UM, [00:45:01] I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURES AROUND IT, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ONE STORY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME YARDS AND EVEN ACROSS THE STREET WE DO HAVE SOME NEWER CONSTRUCTION THAT ALSO TENDS TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN SUPPORT THIS BASED, UM, ON THE SAME REASONS. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, GIBBONS? WELL, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE COMING FROM, BUT THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVED THERE AND THEY LIVED THERE. UM, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY WOULD SAY THEY'RE MORE OPPOSED TO VACANT TRACT WITH A BURNED DOWN HOUSE ON IT AND OVERGROWTH, THEN THE DENSITY AND THE NEW LIFE THAT A HOUSE BRINGS. UM, SO I I I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION TO, TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS' DISCUSSION? OKAY, ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE. AYE. MADAME CHAIR? UH, NO. MOTION PASSES. ALL RIGHT. PATRICIA HAS NUMBER 13 FOR YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. [13. 19-7172 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700208 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Residential Single-Family Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to "NC MLOD-3 MLR-2" Neighborhood Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District on the east 3.3 feet of the south 118 feet of Lot 11 and the south 118 feet of Lot 12, Block 6, NCB 1177, located at 2551 North Interstate Highway 35. Staff recommends Denial, with Alternate Recommendation. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600080) (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, Patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).] PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING. ITEM 13 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R SIX TO NC LOCATED AT 2 5 5 1 NORTH INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35 22. NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. ONE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION, AND THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THE CURRENT R SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED NC INTRODUCES COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO A PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BLOCK. STAFF HAS FOUND LIKELY INDICATION OF ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS AN ENCROACHMENT OF A COMMERCIAL USE INTO AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R SIX CD WITH A CON CONDITIONAL USE FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND SHOWROOM THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOHN FERGUSON. I'M AN ATTORNEY HERE IN TOWN WITH THE LAW FIRM OF DROUGHT, DROUGHT AND BOBBIT. AND MY CLIENT IS THE APPLICANT, LOZANO HOMES, L L C. I WILL BRIEFLY JUST, UH, POINT OUT SOME POINTS IN RESPONSE TO THE, UH, ZONING, UH, RECOMMEND RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. LOZANO HOMES. L L C IS IN THE BUSINESS OF BUYING HOMES AND REFURBISHING THEM. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID WITH THIS HOUSE. THERE IS NO DEMOLITION PERMIT SITTING THERE. THERE IS NO INTENT TO DEMOLISH. THEY HAVE SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY MAKING THIS HOUSE BETTER. THEY'VE RESTORED IT, THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT IN A D A COMPLIANT PARKING AT THEIR EXPENSE. THIS IS INTENDED HOPEFULLY TO BE USED AS AN OFFICE, UM, AS COMMERCIAL. UH, AS YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT DOOR, QT STORES, QUICKTRIP, WHICH IS A GIANT CORPORATION, IS GONNA MOVE IN DOWN JIM STREET. AND THAT WHOLE AREA TO THE RIGHT ON THE PICTURE WILL BE A GASOLINE AND QUICKTRIP CONVENIENCE STORE. UH, AS IF IT'S APPROVED AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. THIS BENEFITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT DETRACTS. IT WOULD BE A INTERMEDIARY ZONING CHANGE. UH, WE HAVE THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE IN SUPPORT. WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORS TO THE, TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST IN SUPPORT. UH, CRYSTAL AND FERNANDO LOZANO, WHO OWN LAZANO HOMES, NOT ONLY ARE CLIENTS BUT FRIENDS, GOOD PEOPLE AND HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS OF RESTORING HOMES LIKE THEY DID IN THIS CASE. AND ONCE IT'S REZONED, IT CANNOT BE USED AS AN AD VALOREM COMPARABLE, [00:50:01] WHICH BENEFITS ALL OF THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS BEHIND IT INTO THE, TO THE WEST. UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, I 35 FACING THIS IS COMPLETELY COMMERCIALIZED AND JUST TO THE RIGHT IT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIALIZED AS WELL. SO THE ENCROACHMENT OF COMMERCIAL EXPANSION HAS BEEN AND IS CONTINUING IN THIS AREA, WHICH HAS A MAJOR HIGHWAY THOROUGHFARE, UH, INTERSTATE. IT IS A SMALL CORNER, LOT 0.1 5, 4, 4 ACRES. IT IS NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AS I SAID, THE UH, THE CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN MADE AT THE EXPENSE OF LANA HOMES L L C HAS DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED THIS PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T INTEND TO D DEMOLISH IT. WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL RECONSIDER, UH, THE, UH, THE STATUS OF THIS AND, AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE MAY CALL YOU, UH, BACK UP. UM, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. JOHN FERGUSON. THAT'S YOU. OKAY. ROSE HILL, FOLLOWED BY LAWRENCE ORTIZ. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ROSE HILL, UH, PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE. UM, GOVERNMENT HILL IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. UH, THIS HOUSE WAS ON THE DEMOLITION BLOCK. IT WAS IN VERY BAD CONDITION. IT WAS OWNED BY AN OUTSIDE PERSON THAT LIVED IN CALIFORNIA, OVERGROWN, UH, GRASS, UM, AN EYESORE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE AL WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO RESTORE THE CHARACTER OF HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THIS WAS NOT A PRETTY SIGHT. UM, LONA HOMES CAME IN AND THEY SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY TO REFURBISH THE HOUSE. UH, IF YOU LOOKED AT IT THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES, UH, YOU WOULD SEE WHERE I'M COMING FROM. UM, GOVERNMENT HILL HAS A PROCESS IN WHICH WE HANDLE ANY KIND OF ZONING CASES. WE ASK THE APPLICANT, ZONING SENDS THEM TO OUR, OUR BOARD. WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION AND WE TAKE IT TO THE COMMUNITY. ON OCTOBER THE 29TH, UH, THEY CAME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THEY PRESENTED, UM, AND THEY WERE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF INPUT AND I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANTS FOR DOING THAT, FOLLOWING OUR PROCESS. AND A VOTE WAS TAKEN, UH, THE COMMI THE, THE COMMUNITY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO APPROVE IT. ONE, UH, WE WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE THAT ARE GONNA BE GOOD PARTNERS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME IN, FLIP THE HOUSE AND TAKE OFF AND LEAVE. UH, WE THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. UH, AS THE UH, GENTLEMAN, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED THAT QT IS TO THE FAR LEFT WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, GAS STATION. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING SOON. UH, THEY'LL BE PROBABLY BE COMING TO BEFORE ZONING. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER GOOD, GOOD, GOOD PEOPLE COMING IN, WANTING TO STAY, NOT JUST TAKING, FLIPPING A HOUSE AND ACTUALLY PUTTING QUALITY INVESTMENT AND MONEY INTO A HOME, BUT ALSO WANTING TO BE A GOOD PARTNER AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR FOR THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SO THEREFORE, IN THAT ESSENCE, WE, THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE ARE 100% IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. LORENZO ORTIZ. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S LORENZO ORTIZ. I'M ACTUALLY, UH, A RESIDENT TO THE LEFT OF THE ACTUAL, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION OR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I ACTUALLY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS IN DISARRAY, JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE. I'M ACTUALLY DOING A LOT OF ACTUAL WORK TO IT, UH, TO BRING IT UP TO, UH, STANDARDS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MY HOMESTEAD. UM, OVERSEEING THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THAT'S WHY I ACTUALLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. AND WITH IT BEING, UM, CONVERTED OVER TO A COMMERCIAL, IT WOULD ACTUALLY, I WOULD FEEL IT WOULD HINDER MY PROPERTY DUE TO THE FACT THAT IF I WANTED TO SELL IT AT A LATER DATE, IT'S HARD TO SELL SOMETHING RIGHT NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE THAT QT MOVING IN NOW I HAVE ANOTHER FIRE THAT'S GONNA BE BUILDING ON, ON MY PROPERTY. SO I HAVE THE QT THEN I HAVE THIS PROPERTY. SO, YOU KNOW, I PURCHASED IT. I'M INVESTING A LOT OF MY PERSONAL MONEY. UM, AND UH, I WANTED TO MAKE IT MY HOMESTEAD. DID YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? IT, IT'S 25 47 IH 35. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, TOSEN. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, INPUTS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR I, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER TOSEN. MY APOLOGIES. UM, WOULD THE, UH, APPLICANT LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS BY THE RESIDENTS? OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TOSEN. THANK [00:55:01] YOU. WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR INPUTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE? YES MA'AM. COULD YOU TELL ME EXACTLY WHERE THE QUICKTRIP IS SUPPOSED TO BE LOCATED? YES MA'AM. IF YOU TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT THAT MAP BEHIND YOU, THE SQUARE JUST TO, OR HERE, JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE SQUARE, THAT QT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A QT STORE IF IT'S APPROVED. SO THAT ENTIRE GYM STREET JUST ABOVE IT TO THE, TO THE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE NORTH, THAT WILL NOT BE A THOROUGHFARE ANYMORE IF THAT GETS APPROVED. THAT STREET JUST ABOVE CALLED GEM STREET, THAT QT IS, IS APPLIED TO A PURCHASE CONVENIENCE STORE. THEY HAVE A, UH, CONTRACT NATIONWIDE WITH CHEVRON. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE CHEVRON, BUT IF THEY ARE APPROVED, UH, WE'VE ALL SEEN THEM, IT'LL BE A QT STORE OR CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A KINDA LIKE A SEVEN 11, UM, WITH A GAS GAS STATION. AND SO OUR POINT IS THAT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING AND THE LOZANO HOMES MERELY WANTS TO CHANGE THIS INTO A COMMERCIAL FROM A RESIDENTIAL. AND THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. MONEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE. THEY'VE MADE IT SO MUCH BETTER AS YOU HEARD THE TESTIMONY OF ROSE HILL FROM GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, I GUESS FOR STAFF. UM, SO 25 51 IS THE CLIENT, THEN THE STREET NUMBER, THEN 25 47, IS THE, UH, ONE OPPOSED NEXT TO THAT 25, 43? IS THAT HOUSE ALSO COMMERCIAL? IF I, AND I'M REFERENCING GOOGLE, WHO KNOWS. EVERYTHING IS SHOWING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE WITH A BUSINESS 'CAUSE THERE'S AN OPEN SIGN. CAREFUL GOOGLE. IT LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN IT'S 25, 47 IS R SIX. IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. YES, IT'S RESIDENTIAL. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING OR MAYBE THE, UM, EITHER ONE OF YOU, UM, THE APPLICANT OR THAT OPPOSED NO. ARE THEY OPERATING A BUSINESS OUT OF THAT? DO YOU WANNA GO TO THE MIC? MM-HMM. , I DO APOLOGIZE AT THIS POINT. I, I DON'T KNOW. BUT FACING OUTSIDE THE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A SMALL GARAGE, BUT I'VE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN ANY BUSINESS OUT OF THERE. SO I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T. IT'S A SMALL LITTLE GARAGE AND THEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS THE ACTUAL HOUSE. SO YOU HAVE A HOUSE AND THEN YOU HAVE A GARAGE AND THEY'RE BOTH ON THE FRONTAGE WHILE YOU'RE UP HERE. SO YOU'RE REMODELING THE COMPLETE REMODEL. YEAH. COMPLETE. WELL, YEAH, THAT TAKES A LOT OF WORK. THANK YOU. UM, BUT YOU PLAN TO LIVE IN IT. SO IF, IF THIS WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL, WOULD THAT BRING VALUE TO YOUR PROPERTY? IF YOU TOO COULD COME AND, AND MAKE IT COMMERCIAL, WOULD THAT NOT BE ADDED VALUE OR YOU NOT TO MYSELF. YEAH. I, I DON'T SEE PERSONAL VALUE IN IT DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT, IT'S, I THINK IT'S HINDERING DUE TO THE FACT THAT IF I WANTED TO SELL IT LATER TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS FROM THE FRONT PORCH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE HEMISPHERE DOWNTOWN OR THAT'S WHAT SOLD ME ON THE PROPERTY. SO, UM, YOU'RE FACING I 35, A LOT OF TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE WITHOUT ANY BUFFER? WELL, I'M ON THE HIGH SITES. SO THERE'S A BRIDGE ON WALTER'S, SO IT'S THE HIGHWAY'S ON THE LOW SIDE AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE NOW THEY WANNA GO COMMERCIAL NEXT TO YOU. AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IS COMMERCIAL AS WELL. IT LOOKS LIKE WITH, WE MIGHT GET HIM IN TROUBLE, BUT, UM, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT. OKAY. SO I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THIS THROUGH THAT IF I REALIZE THAT IT'S RESIDENTIAL AND YOU'RE IMPROVING IT, BUT THE IMPROVEMENT ALSO COULD BE, YOU CAN STILL LIVE THERE AS A RESIDENCE, BUT THE RESALE FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO BUY IT, TO HAVE RETAIL ON BOTH SIDES IF IT'S RETAIL AND THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR CONCERN. OH, BIG TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, N N NO SIR. NOT AT THIS TIME. NOT UNLESS SOMEBODY CALLS YOU UP. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UH, QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, UH, MCDANIEL, [01:00:02] UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT PLEASE? SURE. SO STAFF I THINK HAS COUNTERED YOUR REQUEST FOR INEA WITH JUST OUR SIX CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE BUSINESS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY DO, UH, OR WE'VE TYPICALLY HEARD HERE ON OUR, OUR COMMISSION HEARINGS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ABUTTING OTHER RESIDENTIAL HOMES. IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T BE, UH, WILLING TO TAKE THAT ZONING? YES. COMMISSIONER, IF, IF I MAY, AND AND THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER GIBBONS ASKED IF ANYBODY KNEW IF THIS OTHER HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF MR. ORTIZ'S WAS COMMERCIAL. WE ARE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT. AND I WOULD COUNTER AND SAY THE REASON WHY COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, WE WANT THE, UH, NC INSTEAD OF A MODIFICATION IS BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU DO IT M NC NC AND YOU'VE GOT QT NEXT TO YOU, I WOULD ARGUE JUST THE OPPOSITE OF MR. ORTIZ, I WOULD SAY HE WOULD HAVE A MUCH BETTER TIME SELLING HIS HOUSE IF HE EVER DID IN A COMMERCIAL VENTURE BECAUSE NOW HE HAS A STREAM COMING DOWN OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES RATHER THAN BEING THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL ONE THERE, HE WOULD ACTUALLY BE WITH THE FLOW. AND SO I WOULD ARGUE THAT NC IS WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE WE SEE THAT'S WHAT'S A FETA ACCOMPLI. WHETHER THE COMMISSIONERS AGREE WITH IT TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WHOLE STRETCH IS BECOMING COMMERCIALIZED AND QT STORES MOVING INTO THAT WHOLE CLMA JACKSON TRUST, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL OWNS ALL THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PICTURE. AND THAT'S, UH, FROST BANK AS TRUSTEE, THEY ARE SELLING THAT TO A QT ON CONDITION THAT, UH, A UH, A FULL COMMERCIAL, UH, I GUESS IT'S R THREE, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, WILL BE IN THAT SPOT, THAT WHOLE CORNER RIGHT THERE, THAT ENTIRE CORNER IN THE CENTER OF THAT PICTURE. SO WE WOULD ARGUE THAT NC IS THE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT IS THE NATURAL CONTINUATION OF SOMETHING AS DRAMATICALLY COMMERCIAL AS THAT. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE, UM, SOMETHING IN MIND AS FAR AS WHAT TYPE OF OFFICE THIS IS GOING TO BE? YES, CRYSTAL AND FERNANDO LOZANO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS AN OFFICE FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL RESALE, UH, DEMONSTRATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL RESALE, UH, UH, RENEWALS FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SEE MODEL HOMES AND HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT IN A COMMERCIAL WAY. SO THEY HAVE PUT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO IT AND THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT TO MAKE IT A D A COMPLIANT. AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED, I THINK I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER. WHAT WOULD THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION BE, SIR? I THINK THEY'D BE EIGHT TO FIVE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT'S ALL FOR YOU? YES MA'AM. A QUESTION FOR STAFF, HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING? HAVE WE ALREADY REZONED THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME GAS STATION? I THINK IT'S COMING THROUGH AT THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ZONING ON CURRENT ZONING TODAY THEN IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROMERO. UM, I GUESS I'LL ASK STAFF THIS QUESTION 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK MR. FERGUSON REALLY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. UM, WITH YOUR ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION, YOU, YOU BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO ON THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THE ADVANTAGE TO, UH, CONDITIONAL USE IS THAT WE RE PRESERVE THE BASE ZONE DISTRICT OF RESIDENTIAL AND WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE, UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALSO, UM, LIMIT THE, UH, THE SIGN SIZE. UM, IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO A, A RESIDENTIAL. UM, YOU'D KEEP THE FACADE OF A RESIDENTIAL HOME. UM, BUT ONCE YOU REZONE IT TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UM, IT'S, IT'S REZONED IN PERPETUITY AND THE RIGHTS CHANGE BY RIGHT. YOU COULD HAVE, UM, A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT, A FURNITURE REPAIR, LAUNDRY, DRY CLEANING COPY SERVICE, A DRUG STORE OR A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. OKAY. BUT JUST TO REITERATE, JUST YOU BELIEVE YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT IS THEY WANNA DO AND YOU BELIEVE THEY CAN DO IT WITH THIS, IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL SIX, UH, CONDITIONAL USE. AND IF THERE'S, UM, A CERTAIN THING THAT NEEDS TO BE LIKE A SIGN OR, OR DEVIATION FROM THE ONE BY ONE NAMEPLATE PERMITTED ON THE, ON THE RESIDENTIAL HOME, THAT COULD SIMPLY BE ACCOMPLISHED AS WELL BY WORKING WITH COUNCIL DISTRICT, UM, AND PERHAPS HAVING THAT MOTION AT, AT COUNCIL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SIPES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WONDERFUL. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS? YES, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK ROSE A QUICK QUESTION IF I COULD. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO, AND YOU'VE [01:05:01] BEEN UP HERE BEFORE AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OTHER HOUSES IN THIS INSTANCE, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE INTO A A BUSINESS. HOW DO YOU SEE IT AFFECTING DOWN, DOWN THE ROAD, ALL THOSE OTHER HOUSES THERE TO HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL THERE ON THE END LOOKS LIKE, LIKE A HOUSE ACTS LIKE A HOUSE, BUT ON PAPER IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT RESIDENTIAL. HOW DO YOU SEE, JUST LIKE THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S OPPOSED, COULD YOU TELL ME HOW THAT YOU FEEL THAT WOULD AFFECT THEM? I AGREE WITH THE IMPROVEMENT. I MEAN, YAY ON THAT, BUT I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY ACTUALLY THE ONLY RESIDENT, I GUESS THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING HERE, WE PRETTY MUCH NOTIFIED ALL THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA TO COME TO THE AREA MEETING. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND WE HAD THE APPLICANTS ACTUALLY WALK HOUSE TO HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MIGHT'VE MISSED HIS HOUSE AND HE WASN'T HOME, BUT EVERYBODY, WE ASKED HIM TO GO KNOCKING ON THE DOORS AND TALK TO THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND APPARENTLY MOST OF THE MAJORITY DID. UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT THAT HOUSE THAT YOU'RE TALKING NEXT TO HAD A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IN IT, ABOUT THREE HOUSES DOWN. THERE'S A TAX SERVICE, UH, IT THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING, UM, THERE FOR, I I GUESS FOR YEARS THEIR TAX SERVICE PASSED THE TAX SERVICE. THEN THERE'S MAYBE TWO MORE HOUSES DOWN THERE, RIGHT? A UH, ACROSS FROM PERSHING ELEMENTARY AND TALKING TO THE, UH, PEOPLE, THE TWO HOUSES TOWARD THE VERY TAIL END, THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I DO WANNA ALSO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION 1923, UM, NORTH PAN AM WAS THE SAME, SIMILAR SITUATION. THE HOUSE WAS GONNA IN VERY BAD SHAPE. UH, WE HAD, UH, AN APPLICANT COME IN AND THEY RESTORED A TWO STORY HOUSE. I BELIEVE IT'S 1923 IF YOU COULD PULL IT UP. UM, THEY, IT'S IN, THAT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND, UH, ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED IT AND THEY ARE USING IT AS AN OFFICE SPACE. UM, UH, THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE. THIS YELLOW ONE RIGHT HERE. IT'S IN, IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY CAME IN, THEY SPENT, THEY SPENT OVER MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW MUCH MONEY, BUT IT WAS A TREMENDOUS, THE HOUSE WAS FORECLOSED ON, IT WAS FALLING APART. AND, UM, THE APPLICANT CAME IN AND THEY, UH, RESTORED IT, PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO IT. AND IT IS RIGHT NOW C TWO COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, UH, FOR, EXCUSE ME, IT'S THE SAME, UH, EXACT ZONING AS THIS ONE IS GONNA BE. AND THAT ONE'S, THAT ONE HAS MORE HOUSES THAT HAS AN APARTMENT NEXT TO IT HAS THIS RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. AND THIS WAS APPROVED AND IT'S THE SAME EXACT, UM, ZONING CHANGE AND THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW IN THIS CASE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES THAN YOU DO ON THE UPPER PART. THE UPPER PART IS MORE TOWARD FOR, UH, MORE TOWARD THE MILITARY OUT THE BASE COMING OUT. UH, SO AND SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AS A COMPARISON. BUT THE, THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA VOTED IN FAVOR OF, AGAIN, THEY WERE TIRED OF SEEING THAT EYESORE OF A PROPERTY. NOW, THIS PROPERTY THAT, UM, THAT THEY HAD PURCHASED, IF YOU HAD, IF YOU HAD GONE BACK AND SEEN THE BEFORE PICTURES, IT WAS A, IT WAS, IT WAS A SIGHT TO SEE. IT WAS COMPLETELY FALLING DOWN. UH, THERE WERE VAGRANTS IN THERE, THERE WERE DRUG PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE PORCH. UH, IT WAS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THE, TO THE PERSON LIVING NEXT DOOR TO IT IS IT, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU HAVE PREFERRED IT TO HAVE STAYED THAT WAY WITH A BUNCH OF DRUG PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THERE AND SLEEPING THERE AND MAYBE CAUSING A FIRE OR, WELL, WE, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY MADE AN IMPROVEMENT, SO THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION HERE. IT'S WHETHER THAT IMPROVEMENT STAYS RESIDENTIAL OR GOES COMMERCIAL. AND I JUST WANTED TO GET A LITTLE MORE INPUT FROM YOURS, FROM YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK IT, I THINK IT WOULD, BEN, I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT, LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE, UH, THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE TO STAY. THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME AND GO, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YES. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE IMPROVEMENT YOU'VE MADE TO THE HOUSE AND ALL. UM, I'M CURIOUS, HELP ME UNDERSTAND, WITH YOUR CLIENT'S, UH, CONDUCTING A BUSINESS OUT OF THIS, UM, ADDRESS, HOW ARE THEY GONNA ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING OF THE CLIENTS, WHICH I'M NOT SEEING OTHER THAN STREET PARKING? IT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE. THERE'S AN AREA AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP A D A COMPLIANT PARKING WITH HOW MANY SPACES? I WANT TO SAY FOUR SPACES. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. YEAH. QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, THE, THE PROPERTY THAT WAS REFERENCED, UM, 1923 PAN AM COULD YOU, COULD SOMEONE VERIFY WITH IF THE ZONING [01:10:01] ON THAT WAS CHANGED TO C TWO? WE HEARD AS WE HEARD FROM MS. HILL, WHAT IS THE QUESTION TO VERIFY? BECAUSE THERE, IT WAS REFERENCED THAT THERE WAS A SIMILAR PROPERTY THAT WAS REZONED TO COMMERCIAL, NOT FOR SEVERAL BLOCKS. KATT AND I WERE VERIFYING THAT DURING THE DISCUSSION THERE'S THE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR BLOCKS CLEAR OF ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL ZONING. OKAY. MERKEL HAS IT UP RIGHT NOW. THERE IS AN ID Z THERE IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USES PER, UH, PERMITTED ARE. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE ORDINANCE ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS? OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER TOSEN. THANK YOU. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, UH, FOR YOUR INPUTS. UM, WITH IT BEING, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT STICKING WITH NC INSTEAD OF, UH, GOING WITH THE R SIX, THE RECOMMENDED R SIX, UM, CD, UH, AS PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I, I, I TOO, UM, FIND THAT R SIX CD IS A, A GREAT, UM, ZONING, UM, CHANGE FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEAL. BUT IF THE APPLICANT HAS NOT, UH, ACCEPTED THAT, THEN I WILL HAVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL SECOND. OKAY. UM, THERE IS A, UM, MOTION FOR, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THE DENIAL . HOW DOES THAT GO? A, IT'S A MOTION TO DENY. OKAY. A MOTION TO THE REQUEST. OKAY. WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS IT YET? SO IT'S NOT RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT DENIAL. RIGHT. SO IF I, I CAN, IF YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION, THEN IT'S JUST A MOTION FOR DENIAL. IF I COULD MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION FOR R SIX CD WITH THE CONDITIONS IN PLACE IN ANY CONDITIONS THAT YOU A TERRIBLE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, BUT, OKAY. SO WE HAVE A, IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT AMENDMENT, YOU JUST SAY, YES, I AGREE. I THINK I'M GONNA WITHDRAW MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND, AND PERHAPS GIVE COMMISSIONER TOSEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE SAME AND, AND REMOVE, I MEAN IF YOU WANT ME TO MESS IT UP JUST AS WELL, UM, , I EXPECT YOU TO DO BETTER. . OKAY. SO I'M GONNA RECOMMEND ANAYA WITH THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R SIX CD FOR THIS, UH, FOR CASE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 13. SECOND AGAIN. OKAY. SO CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL WITH, UH, AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R SIX, UH, CD, UM, WITH ANY CONDITIONS THAT WERE STATED AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL WITH THAT CONDITIONAL USE, I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUE IF HE WOULD AMEND IT TO INSERT CONDITIONS OF HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM EIGHT TO FIVE? YES. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, RECOMMEND DENIAL WITH ALTERNATE, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF R SIX CD WITH, UH, USES OF MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE. [01:15:01] HOW DOES THE NIA OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. RIGHT? WE CAN KEEP MOVING. ACTUALLY THIS, UM, ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE ALREADY HAVE PRESCRIBED CONDITIONS THAT AUTOMATICALLY GO WITH THEM. OKAY. AND I CAN STATE THOSE FOR YOU FOR THE RECORD IF YOU'D LIKE. YES, YES, PLEASE. OKAY. LET ME JUST GET THERE. HERE WE GO. UH, THERE SHALL BE NO EXTERIOR DISPLAY OR SIGN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A NAME PLATE NOT EXCEEDING THREE SQUARE FEET IN AREA MAY PERMITTED WHEN MAY BE PERMITTED WHEN ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. NO CONSTRUCTION FEATURE SHALL BE PERMITTED, WHICH WOULD PLACE THE STRUCTURE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE BUSINESS HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED BEFORE 7:00 AM OR AFTER 6:00 PM BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE DAYS OF OPERATION. IT MEANS THROUGH SUNDAY. SO IF THERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S AN ALTERNATE CONDITION TO THAT OF FURTHER RESTRICTING IT FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, EIGHT TO FIVE. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. OKAY. SO THEN IN THAT CASE, UM, HE WAS FINISHED MAKING THAT MOTION WITH THAT, UM, CONDITION. AND THEN DO WE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO SAID SHE STATED SHE ACCEPTED THAT 'CAUSE SHE MADE THE SECOND. IS THAT OKAY WITH PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE? YOU JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE WAS FOR A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER TOSEN. SO I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS, UH, FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU . ALRIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? OKAY. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. UM, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS, UM, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. UM, LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO BY KEEPING THE BASE ZONING, WE ARE KEEPING WITH, UM, THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND USE PLAN. UM, A LOT OF THE, THE TALK, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE OWNER WAS ABOUT, UM, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S SPECULATIVE, THAT PROPERTY'S NOT EVEN BEEN PURCHASED AT THIS POINT. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS FORTHCOMING, UM, IT'S A BIT, UH, PREEMPTIVE AND PRELIMINARY FOR US TO BE REZONING THIS PROPERTY BASED ON ANOTHER REZONING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN. UM, THE PROPERTY TWO DOORS DOWN BEING USED OUT OF CONFORMITY WITH THE ZONING, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE REALLY REQUIRED TO LOOK AT. UM, I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR ADJACENT TO THE, TO THIS PROPERTY AND HOW THAT, UH, NEIGHBOR MAY BE AFFECTED. SO I THINK BY HAVING THE CONDITIONS THAT'S HELPFUL. SO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, UNNECESSARILY DISRUPTING THE, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHICH IS ANOTHER, UM, ITEM THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THE ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS. AND THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, THAT WAS WELL SAID. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, I DO HAVE A CONCERN BECAUSE NOW THAT WE REVEAL THAT THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE IN THE BACK, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A CONDITION OF A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE? UH, ELSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A BUFFER. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW, AND AGAIN, GOOGLE IS TELLING ME THAT THERE'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE THERE. SO COULD, WOULD THE COMMISSIONER BE, UM, OPEN TO A CONDITION OF A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ON TWO SIDES? THE BACK AND THE, THE WHAT WEST? AND JUST TO HELP CLARIFY FOR CONDITIONAL USES, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T ADD IT AS A CONDITION, BUT IT, THE CODE ALREADY REQUIRES A SOLID SCREEN FENCE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES. WELL, THERE YOU GO, . ALRIGHT. UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION, ROLL, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. I, [01:20:15] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MARCO MAVI [15. 19-7986 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700244 CD (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from “R-4 CD NCD-6” Residential Single-Family Mahncke Park Neighborhood Conservation District with a Conditional Use for a Food Service Establishment to “R-4 CD NCD-6” Residential Single-Family Mahncke Park Neighborhood Conservation District with a Conditional Use for a Food Service Establishment to Amend Existing Conditions on Lot 21, Block 1, NCB 6227, located at 118 Davis Court. Staff recommends Approval. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)] PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS ZONING K Z 2 19 1 0 7 0 0 2 4 4, UH, CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE TO AMEND CURRENT EXISTING CONDITIONS. UH, WE HAVE 19 NOTICES MAILED OUT, ONE IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED MAHANEY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. AND THREE OTHER OPPOSITIONS FROM OUTSIDE 200 FEET. STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUESTS THE PROPOSED USES CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE, DESIGNATION, DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? STEVEN MARTIN, 1718 ARCHITECTURE, I'M THE APPLICANT. THE, UH, THE REASON FOR THIS SUBMITTAL IS BASED UPON THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT COMMONWEALTH COFFEE CURRENTLY OPERATES. UH, THEY, WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING, THEY ARE CONSTRICTED TO OPERATING FOR SOLELY 64 HOURS A WEEK. OF THOSE 64 HOURS THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED, THEY OPERATE FOR 63. THERE HAS BEEN A GROWING NUMBER OF COFFEE SHOPS THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE AREA TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH ESPECIALLY, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE COFFEE SHOPS OPERATE, UH, WELL OVER 90 HOURS A WEEK WITH LOCAL COFFEE AT THE PEARL OPERATING FOR 98 MERIT COFFEE TO THE NORTH IN ALAMO HEIGHTS FOR 98. UM, SUMMER MOON AT TRIPOINT OPERATING FOR 72. THE, UM, THE REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE SPECIFICALLY PERTAINS TO SUNDAY BUSINESS, WHICH THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO OPERATE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN A BUSINESS THAT CAN COMPETE WITH THE OTHER COFFEE SHOPS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, SPROUTING UP THROUGHOUT THAT AREA. WITHIN ABOUT A GOOD FIVE MILE RADIUS. UH, THEY ASK THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE ON SUNDAYS. THE POSSIBILITY OF OPERATING LATER DURING THE WEEK IS, OF COURSE SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE. UH, OUR CLIENT UNDERSTANDS THE FACT THAT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED IS, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF THESE OTHER COFFEE SHOPS THAT I JUST LISTED OFF, WHICH ARE LOCATED IN, IN PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. THEY ARE WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD. I ACTUALLY USED TO LIVE, UH, UP DAVIS COURT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AT DAVIS AND NORTH NEW BRAUNFELS. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE FABRIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, IT'S JUST JUXTAPOSITION TO, TO BROADWAY AND IT BEING A, A, A HEAVILY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. UH, BUT AGAIN, IT, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE MAINTAINING A VIABLE BUSINESS THAT CAN COMPETE WITH COFFEE SHOPS THROUGHOUT THE AREA. HENCE THE REASON WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS, UH, CONDITIONAL, UH, FOR THIS CHANGE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW, UH, OPERATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE 64 HOURS THAT THEY CONCURRENTLY OPERATE, BUT AGAIN, SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO SUNDAY OPERATIONS. THANK YOU. WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP. UM, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE ONE PERSON, LARRY BROOKS. UM, MY NAME'S LARRY BROOKS AND I LIVE AND OWN THE PROPERTY AT 1 34 DAVIS COURT. AND, HI, MY WIFE JOANIE AND I, UM, ARE OPPOSED TO THE AMENDMENTS TO ANY OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THE PROPERTY AT ONE 18 DAVIS COURT. ONE 18 DAVIS COURT WAS GRANTED A ZONING CHANGE TO CONDITIONAL USE TO INCLUDE THE FIVE CONDITIONS IN DECEMBER OF 2014. THIS PARTICULAR CASE HAS MUCH HISTORY AS A RESULT OF A CS A MISTAKE ON THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. THE 2014 MENKE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD WORKED MANY MONTHS IN COLLABORATION WITH RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS ON DAVIS COURT, THE OWNERS OF COMMONWEALTH COFFEE AND COSA, TO DEVELOP AND AGREE ON THE CONDITIONS TO ALLOW THE RESIDENTIAL [01:25:01] PROPERTY TO BE REZONED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO CONDITIONAL USE. IN ADDITION, THE OWNER OF ONE 18 DAVIS COURT SIGNED A DECLARATION OF COVENANTS THAT IS PART OF THE PROPERTY DEEDED AND WAS PART OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OWNER HAS BROKEN THREE OF THE COVENANTS WITHOUT ANY COMMUNICATION TO THE RESIDENCE ON THE STREET. ONE SALE OF ALCOHOL 30 SECONDS, TWO, ANY BARRIER SCREEN, AND THREE PARKING, THE REMOVAL SIGNS OF FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THE CITY DOESN'T GOVERN AND ENFORCE THE DECLARATION OF COVENANTS, HOWEVER, IT SHOWS THE OWNER HAS NO REGARD FOR THE IMPACT OF THE ACTIONS ON THE RESIDENCE. DAVIS COURT, IT'S A SMALL STREET WHEN THE SMALLEST IN SA AND ONE 18 DAVIS COURT EXISTS ON WHAT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET. UM, ALL WE ASK IS TO KEEP THE EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE TWO MINUTES AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE. THOSE OF US WHO LIVE ON DAVIS COURT SUNDAY'S BEEN THE ONLY DAY WE CAN FEEL WE'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF BUSINESS. AND, UM, THANKS. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL THAT'S SIGNED TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE. OKAY. UM, WITH THE, UM, APPLICANT, LIKE A MOMENT TO RESPOND? YES, WOULD, AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT, UM, OUR CLIENT IS, IS VERY, UM, VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE LOCATED ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET. UM, AND, AND THERE WERE CERTAIN THAT THERE WAS, UH, THERE WERE A LOT OF CONDITIONS THAT THEY, THAT THEY DID MEET. NOW, UM, REGARDING THE RESIDENT'S, UM, UH, CONCERN REGARDING CERTAIN COVENANTS THAT THEY HAVE BROKEN, UM, I, WE COMMONWEALTH COFFEE GOING FORWARD IS COMPLETELY COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT THEY MAINTAIN A, A PROPER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RESIDENTS ON DAVIS COURT. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE PERHAPS SOME, SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST, UM, THAT CERTAIN RESIDENTS WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF. I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE SALE OF, OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, UH, WAS ONE OF THEM. THAT WAS OF GREAT CONCERN. HOWEVER, AGAIN, WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY EXISTS WITHIN THAT AREA WE'RE, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT UP AND DOWN BROADWAY ON A SUNDAY AND BEING ABLE TO OPERATE ON A SUNDAY, WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS OF DAVIS COURT IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO OPERATE. NOW, THE PARKING FOR COMMONWEALTH COFFEE IS ACTUALLY NOT ON DAVIS COURT. IT'S ACTUALLY OFF OF, OFF OF HILDEBRAND. THEREFORE, ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC WOULD BE FELT ON HILDEBRAND, NOT ON DAVIS COURT, ESPECIALLY AS IT PERTAINS TO A SUN SUNDAY OPERATIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TOSEN. UH, FIRST OFF, THANK YOU TO THE RESIDENT AT 1 34 DAVIS FOR YOUR INPUTS. UH, AND ALSO THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, YOUR RESPONSE. UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY INPUT AND MAKE MY DECISION AFTERWARDS. OKAY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHEN THIS ZONING WAS DONE, I'M ASSUMING BACK IN 2014, WERE THERE CONDITIONS PLACED AT THAT TIME? YES. FOR THE ZONING CASE? YES, MA'AM. THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS, UH, ARE INCLUDED IN THE, UH, SITE PLAN, UM, THE FIVE CONDITIONS. THE THIRD ONE, THE C IS THE ONE THEY'RE TRYING TO AMEND FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION. UH, ONE, THERE SHALL BE NO EXTERIOR DISPLAY OR SIGN WITH EXEMPTION TO NAME PLATE NOT EXCEEDING. THREE SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA MAY BE PERMITTED WHEN ATTACHED TO THE FRONT OF MAIN STRUCTURE. TWO, NO CONSTRUCTION FEATURES SHALL BE PERMITTED, WHICH WOULD PLACE THE STRUCTURE OUTTA CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THREE, BUSINESS OR OFFICE HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED BEFORE 7:00 AM AND 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED BEFORE 8:00 AM OR AFTER 4:00 PM ON SATURDAY. OUTSIDE SPEAKERS SHALL BE PROHIBITED. AND LAST ONE, THERE SHALL BE STRICT ENFORCE ENFORCEMENT OF LIGHT POPULATION FROM SIGNAGE AND LANDSCAPING LIGHTS. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. UM, SO QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES. [01:30:02] SO COMMONWEALTH AGREED TO THESE CONDITIONS AT THE TIME FOR THAT ZONING? THEY DID, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER TOSEN. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU, UM, FOR YOUR INPUTS. UM, SO, UM, WITH HEARING EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID TODAY, I I DO APPRECIATE ALL INPUTS. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, APPROVE, UM, AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR, UM, ONE 18 DAVID STREET. UM, ITEM NUMBER 15. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE SOMETHING MS. FLORES? YES. JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE CONDITIONS. WE ARE MAINTAINING ALL OF THE CONDITIONS IN ADDING SUNDAY HOURS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER WHITE? YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATIONS. UM, I, I'VE JUST TO FREQUENT, UH, THIS COFFEE SHOP AND I'VE BEEN THERE, UM, ON SATURDAYS WHEN IT REALLY HAS BEEN QUITE FULL. AND, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I THINK THE NOISE IS VERY CONTAINED, UM, COMING FROM, FROM THIS COFFEE SHOP. ADDITIONALLY, AS, AS WAS STATED, THE PARKING, UM, IS AROUND THE BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE ON, ON HILDABRAND. AND SO, UM, AT LEAST FROM WHEN I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE FELT THAT THE DISRUPTION TO THE STREET, UH, THERE ON DAVIS COURT HAS BEEN PRETTY MINIMAL. SO I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE, SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WAS SEEN FROM MY SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? UM, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS IS AN AREA THAT WHERE WE COULD SEE POTENTIALLY MORE COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT AS PROPERTY PRICES INCREASE AND WE WOULD SEE MORE DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS AS WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBOR WHO, WHO SPOKE. UM, AND ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS HOUSE NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF, OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND IN FACT, EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE THE PARKING IS LOCATED ON HILDEBRAND AND THEY'RE WALKING DOWN THIS DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, JUST IF SOMEONE'S MAYBE A, A NIGHT WORKER AND THEY SLEEP DURING THE DAY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE LAUGHING AND TALKING AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST SEE THERE BEING POTENTIALLY MORE DISRUPTION AND FOR US TO CONTINUALLY EXPAND, EXPAND THE COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S A REAL CONCERN FOR ME. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, I DRINK COFFEE ON SUNDAYS. I DRINK COFFEE ON MONDAYS. I GET EVERY DAY. BUT I DUNNO IF I WOULD ENJOY MY CUP OF COFFEE IN MY HOUSE WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE ON A SUNDAY. I, SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT COFFEE DRINKING. AND THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME WISDOM AT THE TIME WHEN THE ZONING WAS, UH, THE CONDITIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE WHEN YOU FIRST GOT ZONED. I'M THINK I'M GONNA STICK WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THIS. IT IS STILL A NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE TO RECOGNIZE THAT YOU ARE A BUSINESS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL STREET, THEREFORE BEHAVE LIKE THAT. WE'RE NOT A COMMERCIAL. STARBUCKS ON A COMMERCIAL LINE STREET IS DIFFERENT WHAT YOU ADOPTED AND, AND AGREED TO. SO I, I WON'T SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, I THINK I'LL STICK WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, MY ECHO MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS. UM, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE, UH, BACK IN 2014 WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS REZONED THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET OUT AND TALK TO THE APPLICANTS WHEN THEY'RE BRINGING DEVELOPMENT INTO THE AREA. UM, I AM ONE THAT WILL DEFEND THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I DON'T LIKE TO SEE COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT, BUT THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME AND THE CURRENT APPLICANT TODAY AGREED TO THOSE TERMS. AND I DON'T SEE US OVERTURNING THAT EVERY TIME THEY WANNA CHANGE A BUSINESS PLAN. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. UM, I WAS ACTUALLY HERE FOR THAT CASE. MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS HERE. UH, AND I JUST WANNA SORT OF BRING MY COMMISSIONERS BACK THERE. IT WAS AN INTENSELY CONTROVERSIAL ZONING CASE. [01:35:01] THE OWNER OF THE COFFEE SHOP WAS IN A BAD SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS A CITY ERROR. IT REALLY WAS A CITY ERROR, AND THE NEIGHBORS WERE IN A REALLY BAD POSITION AS WELL. AND I FELT THE NEIGHBORS REALLY STOOD UP TO THE CHALLENGE AND THEY DIDN'T WANT IT THERE. UM, BUT THEY, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY CHOICE AND THEY FOUGHT REALLY HARD FOR THOSE CONDITIONS. AND I REMEMBER THAT CLOSED ON SUNDAYS WAS A BIG ONE FOR THEM. AND FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED THAT STAFF IS SUPPORTING THIS 'CAUSE WE WERE ALL HERE FOR THAT. AND, UM, A LOT OF NEIGHBORS CAME OUT AND THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE ONE SUBSTANTIVE THING THEY GOT WAS THE SUNDAY CLOSURE. AND THEY GOT THAT. AND NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THEM. UM, I, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS JUST LIKE TWO YEARS AGO. 'CAUSE I REMEMBER THIS SO CLEARLY. IT WAS, I KNOW IT WAS MORE, IT WAS JUST SUCH A BIG DEAL AND, AND THERE WERE WAY MORE NEIGHBORS AND I, AND I, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY, SIR. UM, SO I DEFINITELY WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION. COMMISSIONER SIPES. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION EITHER. AND, UM, PRIMARILY FOR THE REASONS, UH, PREVIOUSLY STATED. UM, IT'S, YOU, THE BUSINESS OWNER AGREED TO THESE CONDITIONS AND THE BUSINESS OWNER NEEDS TO REALIZE AS WELL THAT YOU CAN'T IN, IN, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CANNOT BE COMPARING YOURSELF TO A COFFEE SHOP THAT'S AT THE PEARL. YOU CAN'T COMPARE YOURSELF TO A COFFEE SHOP THAT'S IN A CONVERTED ALBERTSONS, WHICH IS WHAT TRIPOINT IS, THAT THIS IS A COFFEE SHOP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT RULES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. OKAY. UM, I TOO, UH, CONCUR WITH SOME OF THE, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE ENCROACHMENT TO, UM, REMEMBERING ALL THAT THE NEIGHBORS WENT THROUGH AND CAME TO THIS COMPROMISE. AND SO I ALSO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, SUPPORT THIS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? NO. COMMISSIONER S SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. COMMISSIONER HUEY? NO. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. I STAND. MADAM CHAIR. NO. MOTION FAILS. SO BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN THE NEXT MOTION, 'CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING, UM, YOU CAN DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IF THERE IS NO MOTION THAT AUTOMATICALLY COMES BACK FOR A SECOND HEARING. I'M GONNA MOVE TO, WELL, I'M GONNA MOVE TO RECONSIDER. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. SO THE MOTION CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR IS FOR RECONSIDERATION. UM, ONLY, UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE RECONSIDERATION? ALL RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK MY NEW COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE WORK THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY BY MANKEY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ALL THOSE RESIDENTS THAT CAME OUT AND GOT STUCK WITH SOMETHING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY DID NOT WANT, BUT YET THEY MANAGED TO FORM OUT SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE. SO I'D ASK YOU TO GIVE THAT SOME WEIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION? OKAY. ROLL CALL. VOTE FOR THE RECONSIDERATION, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. AND FOR A NEW MOTION, UH, FOR ITEM NINE 15, I MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DENIAL WITH A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. [01:40:02] COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THIS BEFORE, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE OPPOSED, UH, FROM THE STREET. IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE HAVE SOME OPPOSED ON THERE, SO I'M GONNA STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL AND HONOR THE VERY, VERY WELL FOUGHT FIGHT, UH, YEARS AGO THAT I WAS NOT HERE FOR. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER EY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. I STAND. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. GOOD [19. 19-8022 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700251 (Council District 5): A request for achange in zoning from "R-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family AirportHazard Overlay District to "IDZ-2 AHOD" Medium Intensity InfillDevelopment Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permittedin “MF-33” Multi-Family District on Lot 8 and the northeast 11.05 feetof Lot 9, Block 3, NCB 2230, located at 1128 Morales Street. Staffrecommends Denial, with Alternate Recommendation. (Michael Pepe,Planner, 210-207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, DevelopmentServices Department)] AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MICHAEL PEPPY PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 19, LOCATED AT 1 1 2 8 MORALES STREET IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FOUR TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN MF 33. MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. 43 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. NONE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE WEST END HOPE IN ACTION SLASH GARDENDALE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THERE WAS A SINGLE, UH, SIGNATURE OF SUPPORT BY A CURRENT TENANT OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE REQUEST WOULD ALLOW A DENSITY NOT YET ESTABLISHED IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY BLOCK. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R FOUR CD FOR THREE UNITS. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN. THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. CAN I HAVE MY PARALLEL POWERPOINT PLEASE REQUEST TODAY IS TO GO FROM R FOUR TO I D Z TWO FOR, UH, MF 33, WHICH BASICALLY ALLOWS WITH THE ACREAGE SIX UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY. SO THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING FOR THE AREA STAFF'S CORRECT, THERE'S SOME MF 33, THERE'S A LOT OF R FOUR AND A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL. UM, THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. THE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS CURRENTLY A FOURPLEX AND, UH, OH, SOMETHING HAPPENED TO MY SLIDESHOW WRONG. THERE WE GO. SORRY. UH, THE PLAN IS, SO IT'S A FOURPLEX RIGHT NOW FULLY OCCUPIED. UM, THE DEVELOPER USES SHIPPING CONTAINERS TO BUILD STRUCTURES. THEY RECENTLY BUILT A BRAND NEW TWO CONTAINER, THREE BEDROOM STRUCTURE THAT THEY SOLD ON THE WEST SIDE FOR $95,000, WHICH IS CONSIDERED AFFORDABLE. THERE AREN'T MANY, THERE ISN'T NOT REALLY ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A PURCHASE PRICE OF $95,000. AND WHAT THEY'LL DO WITH THESE CONTAINERS, THEY USE 'EM AS A FRAME. THEY WILL DRESS THEM UP WITH, UH, HARDY PLANK SIDING, PITCH ROOFS ON THE TOP. SO THEY'LL LOOK LIKE SMALL RESIDENCES. BUT THE GOAL HERE WAS TO MOVE AT, AT THE BEGINNING, BUILD THE FOUR UNITS THAT ARE ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. REBE ALLEY IS ACTUALLY MORE OF A STREET. IT'S, IT'S TWO-WAY. THERE ARE HOUSES THAT FRONT ON THAT ALLEY. UM, BUT THE GOAL HERE WAS TO BUILD THE FOUR STRUCTURES IN THE BACK FIRST MOVE THE TENANTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE FOURPLEX ON THE STREET INTO THOSE NEW UNITS. UM, THE RENT WILL BE THE SAME. SO THERE WILL NOT BE NO, UH, DISPLACEMENT OF CURRENT RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN TO, TO BUILD TWO, THREE BEDROOM UNITS AT THE STREET ON MORALES STREET. EACH UNIT WILL HAVE ONE PARKING SPACE OF THE CURRENT FOURPLEX. THE CURRENT TENANTS, ONLY ONE COUPLE HAS A CAR. THE OTHER TENANTS DO NOT HAVE A CAR. WE FEEL WE WILL HAVE AMPLE PARKING, UH, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH MORE DENSE THAN WHAT, UM, THE R FOUR WOULD SEEM TO IMPLY. THERE'S COMMERCIAL AT, AT THE, SO, UH, WEST CORNER, NORTHEAST CORNERS AND AUTO BODY SHOP AND THE SOUTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST CORNERS ARE BOTH, UM, MEXICAN RESTAURANTS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DENSITY. AND THIS IS NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE. I BASICALLY WAS GOING OFF OF BCAT AND GOOGLE EARTH TO TRY TO DETERMINE HOW MANY UNITS WERE THERE. I DID NOT GO SNOOPING AROUND LOOKING FOR MAILBOXES OR UTILITY BOXES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT THERE IS DENSITY IN THE AREA. [01:45:01] WE DON'T FEEL THAT WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS OVERLY DENSE. UM, LIKE I SAID, IT WILL ALLOW SOME INFILL DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL ALLOW NEW UNITS. THE EXISTING FOURPLEX, IT'S HABITABLE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE REBUILT. IT'S IN, IN BAD SHAPE. SO THIS WOULD NOT DISPLACE ANY TENANTS BUT ALLOW TWO NEW UNITS WITHIN AN AN INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, REACHED OUT. I'VE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'VE EVEN HAD THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE TRY. THEIR EMAIL DOESN'T WORK. THEY'RE NOT ANSWERING OR RETURNING ANY PHONE CALLS. I WILL WORK WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE TO CONTINUE TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THEM TO GET SOME SORT OF A MEETING. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NO, NO OPPOSITION. WE DID, YOU KNOW, DO A LITTLE BIT OF BLOCK WALKING. WE'RE ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT, BUT IT'S KIND OF TOUGH TO GET THE, THE TENANTS TO SIGN THINGS. THANK YOU. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO ONE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUS. ALRIGHT, UM, FOR THE A I MEAN, SORRY FOR THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, ONE THING I'M LOOKING AT HERE, EVEN AS WE LOOK AT JUST THE BCA WITHOUT THIS ACCOMMODATION IS WE'VE GOT 1128, WHICH SPANS FROM MORALES TO REBI. THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE DOOR NEXT DOOR, THERE'S TWO R FOURS THERE, TWO, THREE DOORS DOWN IS ANOTHER TWO R FOUR. WITH THAT BLOCK BEING CUT IN HALF, WHAT CONSIDERATION, IF ANY, DID THAT PLAY IN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? I THINK IT DID PLAY IN, UM, TO SOME DEGREE. I MEAN WE ARE LOOKING AT I D Z FOR MF 33 USES. THAT'S UP TO SIX OR SEVEN UNITS. WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE TWO, THAT THERE ARE PROPERTIES ON THE STREET THAT HAVE TWO, THREE. THOSE ARE STILL, AND, AND, AND IF YOU GO WITH THE ORIGINAL GENERAL BLOCK PATTERN OF IT, THERE'S, IT'S STILL EITHER ONE OR TWO ON ONE PARTICULAR, UH, LOT OR COLLECTION OF LOTS THERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT LED US. AT NO POINT DOES IT GO OVER, UH, THREE UNITS IN ONE GENERAL LAW AREA. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT LED US TO THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF THREE RATHER THAN SIX. BUT I GUESS, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY NO MORE THAN THREE, BUT IF THERE ARE TWO R FOURS AND, AND ONE OF THEM IS OWNER OCCUPIED, THEN THERE COULD BE UP TO FOUR ON A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF SPACE. CORRECT. REMEMBER, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS NOT THE SAME SIZE AS A NORMAL DWELLING UNIT. A NORMAL DWELLING UNIT CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE BEDROOM. AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS LIMITED TO 800 SQUARE FEET MAX SIZE ONE BEDROOM. AND SO IT'S NOT THE SAME MASSING AND FURTHER. AND IF I, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE ACCESSORY UNITS SOMETIMES, BUT AT THE SAME RATE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MIN THEY HAVE MINIMUM SIZES ON THE ACCESSORIES DWELLING UNITS AND MANY OF THESE HOMES ARE RATHER SMALL. SO, ALRIGHT. FOR THE APPLICANT, HOW BIG ARE THESE CONTAINERS? I THINK 300 AND 320 SQUARE FEET. ALRIGHT. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR PEOPLE OR IT'S A FOURPLEX AT THE 1128? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT'S OUT OF, OUT OF ZONING RIGHT NOW? IT'S OUT OF ZONING. PROBABLY NON-CONFORMING USE. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR YEARS. FOR YEARS, OKAY. DECADES. ALRIGHT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ALRIGHT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, PATRICK. UM, AND WHEN I LIKE THE IDEA OF STORAGE CONTAINERS AS NEW OPTIONS FOR HOME, UH, FOR HOUSING, BUT I AM ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACIDICS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO MOST OF THAT KIND OF HAS A MODERN LOOK TO IT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN. WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THAT TO BLEND IN? WELL, UM, IT, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IF YOU CAN WE GO TO AN AREA, UM, SOME OF THE STRUCTURES ARE YOUR CLASSIC OLDER BUNGALOW TYPE STRUCTURES. I MEAN, A LOT OF THIS IS COMMERCIAL STORAGE SHED TYPE BUILDINGS IN THIS AREA. LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT HARDY SIDING, THEY PUT, YOU KNOW, NICE NEW WINDOWS. IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A SHIPPING CONTAINER FROM THE OUTSIDE. UM, THERE WILL BE FRONT DOORS FACING MORALES STREET, UM, ON THE FRONT UNITS. UM, THERE'LL BE ONE STORY. THEY'LL HAVE LITTLE PITCHED ROOFS ON THEM. THEY WON'T LOOK TOO MODERN NOW. THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AS THE OLD, WHAT'S THEY'RE IN THE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSING STOCK? NO, BUT I THINK THEY CAN DO A GOOD JOB TO TRY TO BLEND IN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. UM, THIS, THE BLOCK, I MEAN, I'LL JUST BE HONEST. IT'S, IT'S A A, IT'S A HODGEPODGE. THERE'S A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL, THERE'S EVERYTHING BEHIND THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED INDUSTRIAL. SOME OF THE, THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL. UM, I DUNNO IF I HAVE A POINTER HERE, BUT YOU GO AROUND, [01:50:01] I MEAN THIS IS A, A TRANSMISSION SHOP RIGHT HERE. MEXICAN RESTAURANT, MEXICAN RESTAURANT, A BIG INDUSTRIAL FACILITY RIGHT HERE ACROSS THE STREET. OH, THERE WE GO. I DUNNO. UM, THAT'S THE EXISTING STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S FOUR, FOUR DOORS. IT'S FOUR EFFICIENCY UNITS UP THERE. UM, BUT WE, THE GOAL HERE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE TRY TO CREATE SOME NEW HOUSING WITHOUT DISPLACING ANY OF THE CURRENT RESIDENCE. LIKE I SAID, THE RENTS WILL NOT GO UP. THEY'LL ALL BE ALLOWED TO, TO MOVE INTO ONE OF THE UNITS AND BACK, WHICH WILL BE NEW, NEW APPLIANCES, UM, VERY THERMAL EFFICIENT, ALL THOSE GOOD THINGS. AND THEY CAN DEMOLISH THIS STRUCTURE AND, AND BUILD A NEW, TWO NEW THREE BEDROOM STRUCTURES ON THE STREET. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ANY, THERE'S QUESTIONS ON MY RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? SO ARE THESE, ARE THESE ARE GONNA BE FOR RENT? YES. FOR RENT. DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATE IDEA OF WHAT YOUR MONTHLY RENTAL WILL BE FOR THESE? OH, WE ASK THE, THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MILES DONNELLEY. I LIVE AT 1 25 EAST MANDALAY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. CURRENTLY THE RENTS ARE $350 PER UNIT. I DO NOT WANNA RAISE ANY RENTS FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE. I ALSO WANNA GIVE THEM A NEW STRUCTURE TO LIVE IN. THE HOUSE IS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT JUST NEEDS SOME WORK AND I'D RATHER GIVE THEM A NEW PRODUCT RATHER THAN HAVING TO DISPLACE THEM AND MOVE THEM. UM, THE NUKE UNITS WOULD BE, UH, THE THREE BEDROOMS WOULD BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A THREE BEDROOM UNIT. AND YOU'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING 350 FOR THE, THOSE ARE ONE BEDROOM OR THREE. THEY'RE LIKE EFFICIENCY SMALL, UH, ONE BEDROOMS. OKAY. AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THREE BEDROOMS? WELL, WHEN THE, THE BIGGER UNITS, THE 640 SQUARE FOOT UNITS WOULD BE A THOUSAND DOLLARS. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, OKAY. UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR, SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA DEMOLISH WHAT'S THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? AFTER WE BUILD, IF EVERYTHING'S APPROVED AFTER WE BUILD THE FOUR NEW UNITS IN THE BACKYARD. BUT YOU'RE DEVELOPING A ROAD THAT GOES FROM ONE STREET TO THE NEXT STREET? CORRECT. THE ROAD WILL NOT GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH UNTIL WE GET THE FOUR CONTAINERS IN THE BACK COMPLETED. THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THE ALLEY. UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO ASK FORWARD AND DEMOLISH. AFTER WE GET THE, THE RESIDENCE MOVED OUT OF THE FRONT FOURPLEX, WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL DEMOLISH THE FRONT STRUCTURE AND THEN BUILD THE NEW TWO THREE BEDROOM UNITS. OKAY. SO THAT'S AN ALLEY AT THE VERY END THERE. IT'S AN ALLEY AT THE END, BUT IT'S ALL ACTUALLY A STREET. I MEAN, PEOPLE, THERE ARE HOUSES, IF YOU LOOK AT AN AERIAL THAT ACTUALLY THEY'RE ONLY ACCESSED, THEY FRONT ON THAT ALLEY CARS PARK ON IT AND CAN STILL DRIVE PAST EACH OTHER VERY WIDE ALLEY. OKAY. AND THEN SO THESE, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE STORAGE CONTAINERS, THEY LOOK LIKE SMALL SHOTGUN STRUCTURES. OH, MAYBE THEY'LL LOOK LIKE A MOBILE HOME. NO, NO. THEY'LL HAVE HARDY PLANK SIDING. THEY'RE ON THE GROUND ON A CONCRETE SLAB. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ELEVATED OR ANYTHING LIKE YOUR AVERAGE. THESE HAVE A FLAT ROOF OR A LITTLE SMALL PITCHED ROOF. SO THEY'LL LOOK LIKE SMALL SHOTGUNS. I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF AN OLDER HOUSING PRODUCT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL LOOK LIKE, AT LEAST THE, THE, THE, THE ONE CONTAINER UNIT'S IN THE REAR. THEN THEY'LL HAVE MORE OF A PITCH FOR THE TWO CONTAINER UNITS, OF COURSE, FROM THE FRONT. OKAY. AND UH, SO YOU WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOUND NOBODY HOME OR WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, WE DID GO TO SOME OF THE DOORS BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS ON EITHER SIDE. I DID NOT LIKE MY CLIENT DID. AND THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO SIGN THINGS AND YOU KNOW, THE CITY SENT OUT NOTICES AS WELL AND NOBODY RETURNED TO ANY OF THOSE. SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANNA RESPOND. RIGHT. UNLESS IT'S A CHECK. UM, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HEARD THAT YOU HEARD FROM MORE PEOPLE. THIS IS QUITE A CHANGE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IMPACT SMACK DAGGETT IN THE MIDDLE. UH, NOT A VERY ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, I MEAN, I CAN'T NO FORCE 'EM TO MEET WITH ME. AND THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT THE COUNCILWOMAN TRYING TO GET A MEETING AND HAVEN'T HAD ANY LUCK YET. I GUESS I, I WOULD JUST HAVE LIKED TO HEARD A LITTLE MORE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GREAT OF A CHANGE TO PUT IT ON US. AND THERE YOU GO. THERE. HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO ATTEND SOMETHING. YOU GOTTA GET THOSE NIKE SHOES ON AND GET OUT THERE. HEY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. THANK YOU. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN. THERE IS A LOT OF USAGE AROUND THIS AREA. UM, ONE THING THAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS [01:55:01] PROJECT, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN MY MIND IS THAT WE ARE SEEING GREATER DENSITY, WHICH I THINK IS A PLUS. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, YOU KNOW, ISN'T QUITE THERE. BUT THERE'S AN I D Z WITH MF 50 WITHIN TWO BLOCKS, PROBABLY ABOUT 600 FEET. IF WE GO BACK, I THINK IT'S MS 50, WE HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USAGE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT MORE DENSITY. AND SO AS WE DO THIS, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO ARE DEVELOPING TO TRY TO MITIGATE, ALLEVIATE THE DISPLACEMENT THAT CAN FREQUENTLY GO ALONG WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND I THINK THIS PROJECT DOES THAT BY ALLOWING THOSE FOUR UNITS IN THE BACK BY STAGING THE CONSTRUCTION AS REPRESENTED BY THE OWNER AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE, UM, TO ALLOW THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LIVING THERE TO REMAIN MAINTAINING THOSE RENTS THAT ACCOMPLISHES THAT. AND IN LIGHT OF THAT, AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I APPRECIATE STAFF'S, UH, INSIGHT ON THIS, BUT NONETHELESS, I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 19. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION, UM, FOR SEVERAL REASONS. UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS I, I BELIEVE ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAS WITH RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE LACK OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, I AM MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS THAN I WOULD ORDINARILY BE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CO COMMERCIAL OR A VERY, VERY DENSE OR, YOU KNOW, MULTI-STORY, THREE STORY, TWO STORY BUILDING NEXT TO OTHER ONE STORY BUILDINGS. I'M, I'M A LITTLE WELL STILL CONCERNED, A LITTLE LESS CONCERNED BECAUSE THIS IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL USE. UM, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH MORE DENSE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES. IF YOU LOOK AT 1727 WEST MARTIN, UM, WHICH ACTUALLY KIND OF IS JUST ACROSS THE ALLEY, THAT'S AN RMM FOUR, IT HAS FOUR UNITS. UM, AND IF YOU DO THE MATH, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M ALWAYS DOING MATH UP HERE 'CAUSE I'M NOT THAT GREAT AT IT. UM, 22 UNITS AN ACRE, UM, ON THAT ONE. WHEREAS THIS ONE, IF YOU'RE DOING THE MATH, IT'S ABOUT 28 UNITS PER ACRE. SO IT'S REALLY A VERY SIMILAR DENSITY RIGHT ACROSS THE THE ALLEY. UM, ANOTHER REASON I'M REALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THIS BRINGS TRUE AFFORDABILITY. UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME UNITS THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RENTS HE'S TALKING ABOUT ARE VERY AFFORDABLE AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, I WORK IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH DEVELOPERS WHO GET INCENTIVES FROM THE CITY AND FROM THE STATE AND FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE HERE WHO IS BRINGING TRUE AFFORDABILITY WITHOUT RELYING ON THOSE INCENTIVES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, USED WITH TA WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT GIVEN THE FACT THAT SAN ANTONIO IS FACING A POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS. OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT GOING I D Z, UM, I LIKE THE STAFF'S, UM, ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR FOUR CD WITH THE USE FOR THREE UNITS. THEN THIS I D Z. I FEEL THAT THAT'S NOT A GOOD PRECEDENT TO START SETTING. USUALLY I D Z IS THESE VACANT TRACKS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERUTILIZED AND NOT USED AT ALL. UM, AFFORDABILITY THREE 50 SEEMS PRETTY AFFORDABLE THAN THE 1000, UM, A MONTH. UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY TO IF I WERE TO, AND I HAVEN'T DECIDED YET IN AGREEMENT TO IT, IS MAYBE MORE LIVABILITY LOOKS BETTER, UM, THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING. SO I'M GONNA CONSIDER THAT I AM NOT THAT COMFORTABLE WITH THE SIX, THOUGH I WOULD'VE LIKED IT TO. UH, THAT'S WHERE I'M UNCOMFORTABLE. SO I'M GONNA PONDER ON THIS ONE. ALL RIGHT. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER, UM, UH, RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHTYY. UM, DID YOU LOOK AT MY MEMORY? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? COMMISSIONER WHITE. OKAY. UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BUS DE MONTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, NO. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? [02:00:01] YES. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUI? YES. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. UM, BEFORE WE, UH, GO TO THE, UH, NEXT CASE, UM, TWO THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN. WELL, ACTUALLY THREE, UH, NUMBER ONE IS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK. IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ABOUT, UH, 10 MINUTES. DURING THAT 10 MINUTE BREAK. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ANYONE WHO IS CURRENTLY IN THE BOARDROOM, UM, AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND FILL THE SEATS HERE. AND THEN, UH, THIRD, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, UM, EXECUTIVE, UH, SESSION, UM, WITH OUR, OH WAIT, WAIT. OH, WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL WE GET BACK. OH, THAT'S GONNA BE FUN. I WAS HOPING WE COULD COMBINE THE TWO, BUT OKAY. WELL, WE'LL COME BACK IN 10 MINUTES. HOPEFULLY WE'LL MOVE EXPEDIENTLY. UM, WE'RE ON BREAK. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA, UH, RECONVENE NOW. IF WE COULD, UM, GO AHEAD AND GRAB OUR SEATS AND CONCLUDE OUR CONVERSATIONS, PLEASE. I THINK, UH, BOOSTER MADAM CHAIR, I'M GONNA REQUEST THAT WE, THE COMMISSION MEET AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF A CONSULTING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THE TIME [Executive Session] IS NOW 3:10 PM ON, UM, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2019. THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW CONVENE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE ATTORNEY-CLIENT CONSULTATION SECTION 5 51, UM, 0.071. SO, UM, WE'RE EXPECTING IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE, UH, 10 MINUTES OR LESS. SO, UM, IF YOU'LL, UM, ENTERTAIN EACH OTHER UNTIL THAT TIME. THANK YOU. UM, THE TIME IS NOW 3:25 PM ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2019. THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION. NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION STAFF. GOOD AFTERNOON [22. 19-8020 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700255 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "AE-3 HS EP-1 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Arts and Entertainment Historic Landmark Parking/Traffic Control Overlay Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District to "C-2 CD HS EP-1 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Commercial Historic Landmark Parking/Traffic Control Overlay Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District with Conditional Use for a Human Services Campus on Lot 7, NCB 10241, located at 3310 East Commerce Street. Staff recommends Denial. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).] COMMISSIONERS. PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING. ITEM 22 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM AE THREE TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS LOCATED AT 33 10 EAST COMMERCE. 32 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. TWO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THE COLOSSEUM WILLOW PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE JEFFERSON HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ADDITIONALLY, ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT WAS RECEIVED FROM THE DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THREE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION WERE RECEIVED FROM INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA, AND A LETTER OF OPPOSITION WAS RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S FIRST ALLIANCE. THE CURRENT A E THREE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF FINDS EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. DUE TO THE INTENSITY OF THE COMMERCIAL USE ADJACENT TO AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROPOSED USE CONDITIONS DOWN, DOWN ZONE, AN INTENSE COMMERCIAL C THREE DISTRICT INTO A C TWO DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. JAMES MCKNIGHT, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN. BRIAN ORTIZ. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT VISION QUEST, AND I JUST WANNA SAY UPFRONT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES SURROUNDING THIS REZONING. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT BLIND TO THAT. WE HEAR IT ALL, BUT MY JOB HERE TODAY IS AS A LAND USE CONSULTANT, AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ZONING. SO THAT IS MY JOB. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT. THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES I'M SURE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO ADDRESS IF THOSE, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE. WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM VISION QUEST HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. BUT, UM, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ZONING, SO THAT'S WHAT I WANNA DO. IT'S MY DISTINCTION AND HONOR TODAY. SO LET'S GET GOING. THIS IS FOR 33 10 EAST [02:05:01] COMMERCE. FIRST THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THE SITE AND THE ZONING CONTEXT. THIS IS THE LARGER AERIAL OF THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE SITE, THE FIVE ACRES OF THE PROPERTY. THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH IS RIGHT HERE, AND RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS THE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER FOR SECOND BAPTIST THAT WAS BUILT ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO. HERE'S THE ZONING, YOU CAN SEE UP DOWN COMMERCE. IT'S A E THREE, THAT'S ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT WITH, UM, R FOUR BEHIND US, SOME INDUSTRIAL AND ON THE OTHER SIDE. NOW I WANNA TALK ABOUT, THAT'S JUST THE OVERVIEW. I'LL GET BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE. BUT THE, THE REQUEST OBVIOUSLY IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT TODAY. SO THE QUEST, THE REQUEST IS FOR A TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR UNACCOMPANIED MIGRANT CHILDREN. SO HERE'S THE PROCESS. MIGRANT CHILDREN PRIMARILY FROM HONDURAS, EL SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA, THEY COME TO THE US WITHOUT A PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN. THEY COME INTO THE CUSTODY OF DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET THEM INTO THE FAMILY OR FOSTER CARE. SO CHILDREN ARE TRANSFERRED TO THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT, O R R WITHIN THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, O R R SELECTS VENDORS, BOTH PROFIT AND NON-PROFIT ALIKE. SAME CONTRACT TO CREATE SHELTERS TO TEMPORARILY HOUSE THOSE CHILDREN. SO WHILE THEY'RE IN THEIR CUSTODY VISION QUEST, IN THIS CASE, THOSE VENDORS, THEY PROVIDE PLACEMENT SERVICES. THAT'S ONE OF TWO THINGS. REUNIFICATION WITH THE FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE US THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF WHAT HAPPENS OR THEY FIND A FOSTER FAMILY OR HOME. THE OTHER THING THEY PROVIDE IS SOCIAL SERVICES, HOUSING, TEMPORARY HOUSING WHILE THEY'RE THERE, FOOD SERVICES, EDUCATION, MEDICAL IF NEEDED, AND RECREATION. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS SECOND BAPTIST, THE OWNER OF THE FIVE ACRES, IS LEASING THAT CENTER, THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO VISION QUEST, JUST THAT COMMUNITY CENTER. THE PLAN IS FOR UP TO 90 BOYS, AGES 10 TO 17. THERE'LL BE ABOUT A HUNDRED STAFF MEMBERS THAT'S IN THREE SHIFTS. SO WE CAN HAVE 24 HOUR CARE. THE AVERAGE STAY FOR AN O R R, UM, IN THE STORE ARE CENTERS IS 50 DAYS. AND THE GENERAL OUTLAY FOR THIS OUTLINE FOR THE BUILDING IS IT'S 46,000 SQUARE FEET. SO IT'S A LARGE FACILITY. HERE'S A LAYOUT. SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. GROUND FLOOR, THERE'S A FULL BASKETBALL GYM AND A BOWLING ALLEY. THERE'S CLASSROOMS AND OFFICE SPACES EXISTING. THIS IS EXISTING FLOOR PLAN. SECOND FLOOR IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S WHERE ALL THE EXISTING CLASSROOMS ARE. SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE DINING USES, CLASSROOM USES, OFFICE USES AND RECREATION USES IN THAT BUILDING. THE SECOND FLOOR IS GONNA BE BROKEN UP. THOSE CLASSROOMS ARE GONNA BE TURNED INTO DORM STYLE ROOMS FOR THE 90 CHILDREN, UP TO TWO PERSONS PER ROOM. BUT THE, THE USE THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING DOESN'T FULLY EXIST, AT LEAST IN OUR OPINION, IN THE CODE. SO WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW THE USE THAT WE GOT TO THE USE DESCRIBED IN THE U D C IS A HUMAN SYSTEM. NOW THIS IS WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS WHAT WE ARE, UH, GONNA BE CLASSIFIED. AND THAT IS A USE IN WHICH MULTIPLE STRUCTURES AND RELATED GROUNDS OR PORTIONS THEREOF ARE USED TO PROVIDE A MULTIPLE MULTITUDE OF SERVICES, EMERGENCY FOOD, MEDICAL SHELTER, UM, SCHOOLING, VOCATIONAL HEALTHCARE CLINICS, UM, HOUSING FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, DAYCARE SERVICES, AND FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE HU HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS IS LABELED AS AN MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE A C THREE USE OR A D USE IS BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE STRUCTURES. IF YOU IMAGINE, UH, A CAMPUS THAT HAS THESE THINGS IN DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, THEN YEAH, THAT IS POSSIBLY MORE INTENSE. BUT IN OUR CASE, WE ARE LIMITING THIS ALL TO ONE STRUCTURE WHERE A LOT OF THOSE USES ALREADY EXIST. SO HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS, IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE. C THREE AND D ARE THE PERMITTED, THE ONLY TWO PERMITTED USES. AND THEY BOTH REQUIRE AN SS. BUT THIS SITE IS ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. IT'S ON A PRIMARY ARTERIAL ACCORDING TO THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND AS I SAID BEFORE, THE USES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ARE ALL PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN A E THREE. THAT INCLUDES THE MULTI-FAMILY THAT THE MULTIPLE FAM THE HOUSING USES, THE DORM STYLE USES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING. ALL OF THOSE USES ARE ALREADY PERMITTED ON THE SITE. WE HAVE AN EXISTING FACILITY. WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THE INTENSITY IS THAT, THAT THAT STAFF IS SPEAKING ABOUT IN THIS CASE WOULD ONLY BE ALL INSIDE THE BUILDING. IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE USES IN A E THREE, IT HAS ITS OWN MATRIX. IF YOU LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THE USES, THEY LINE UP WITH C TWO USES. EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS A C TWO USE EXCEPT THE FEW THAT [02:10:01] ARE ARE LISTED HERE. THERE'S A FEW MORE, BUT GENERALLY THE ONES THAT DON'T ALIGN BETWEEN A E THREE AND C TWO ARE HOTEL, MOTEL, PAWN SHOP, CLUBHOUSE, DRIVING RANGE, THOSE ARE ALL C THREE USES, MEANING A E THREE IS A MORE INTENSIVE USE. I THINK PATRICIA EVEN SAID THIS IS PART OF A DOWN ZONING. OKAY, DOWN ZONING WE'RE BECOMING LESS INTENSE ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL USE ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. THE REASON I WANNA BRING THIS UP IS BECAUSE OF SIMILAR CASES IN THE AREA WHERE, UM, IN OUR CASE STAFF, IN OUR CASE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL WHERE STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. THIS WAS THREE WEEKS AGO FOR A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS ON DIETRICH ROAD. NOW THAT'S NEXT TO MF 33. IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, A LOCAL, A ROAD FROM R FIVE. AND THIS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. AND PART OF THE REASON THEY RECOMMENDED IT FOR APPROVAL WAS THAT IT WAS DOWN ZONING. THAT WAS ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES THEY USED TO SAY THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE WAS BECAUSE WE WERE DOWN ZONING FROM I ONE DOWN TO C THREE. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE TRUE LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THE C THREE USES ARE APPROPRIATE. WE HAVE WHAT IS A MORE APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL LOCATION PERFORMING THE USES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING PERFORMED. THE PROPOSED C THREE S GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS MORE APPROPRIATE FROM, FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA ACROSS THE STREET FROM RESIDENTIAL AS IT ALLOWS LESS POTENTIALLY HARMFUL USES THAN I ONE. THAT WAS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS WRITTEN FOR THIS PROJECT. IT WAS SAYING BEING CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL, OUR RECOMMENDATION SAYS IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO BE THAT CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL, THAT WE NEED TO BE FURTHER AWAY EVEN THOUGH WE'RE REQUESTING A C TWO CONDITIONAL USE. THE OTHER CASE I WANNA POINT OUT IS THIS IS OUR SITE HERE. THE VERY NEXT BLOCK OVER. YOU NOTICE ALL OF THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED C TWO CONDITIONAL. THAT CONDITIONAL IS FOR HARDWARE SALES WHOLESALE, THAT'S A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE. SO HERE YOU HAVE A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT RIGHT NEXT TO ALL THE R FOUR AND THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. SO CLEARLY THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE WITH RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WHEN YOU HAVE THESE KINDS OF COMMERCIAL USES NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL, THE SITE PLAN WAS SHOWN BEFORE, HERE'S THE RESIDENTIAL BEHIND US. THERE'S A 16 FOOT ALLEY BETWEEN US, 16 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEN OUR PROPERTY AND THEN THERE'S 110 FEET BETWEEN US AND THAT BUILDING. WE ARE NOT PUSHED UP AGAINST THAT RESIDENTIAL, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF HAS MENTIONED IN THAT REPORT IS IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE WITHOUT PROPER BUFFERING. WE DON'T, WE BUFFERING IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS SITE, BUT WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT THAT IN THERE IF, IF, IF THERE IS A REQUEST AS THIS A CONDITIONAL TO SAY, ADD A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THERE AT A FENCE THERE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO. THE ONLY NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION IN THREE AREAS ON THAT STAFF REPORT ALL SAYS THE SAME THING WITHOUT PROFFER BUFFERING. OKAY, WE'LL PUT THE PROFFER BUFFERING, PROPER BUFFERING IN JUST LIKE THESE OTHER SITES EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED. AND THEN I WOULD SAY THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I MEAN, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE PROPER COMPATIBILITY FOR COMMERCIAL. WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE EVERY ONE OF THESE USES ALREADY EXISTING AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS, IS CHANGING THE DYNAMIC OF HOW THAT'S RUN. THERE'S NO INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN NOISE, INCREASE IN POLLUTION, DRAINAGE. NONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INCREASE IN LAND USE ARE HAPPENING LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. DUE TO THE INTENSITY OF THE COMMERCIAL ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT APPROPRIATE BUFFERS. THE INTENSITY OF THE COMMERCIAL, THE INTENSITY OF THE COMMERCIAL IS CLASSROOMS AND 10 11 YEAR OLD BOYS SLEEPING UPSTAIRS, UM, CONTAINED IN AN EXISTING BUILDING. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE REACHED OUT TO THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S OFFICE, WE REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OBVIOUSLY THE CHURCH ITSELF. WE DID HAVE A MEETING AND WE WERE GIVEN SUPPORT. NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COME BACK LATER AND SAID THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE, BUT WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT, THAT WE ARE ALWAYS ASKED TO GO THROUGH. WE FELT LIKE WE WERE DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WE GOT SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SAYING THAT IT WAS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF WHAT WAS CONSIDERED THE MINISTRY OF THE CHURCH. BUT WE DID RECEIVE THAT. SO GIVEN ALL OF THAT, I THINK IT'S VERY PRETTY. IT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD USE. I'M ASKING FOR A COMMERCIAL USE A C THREE USE DOWN IN C TWO ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND THAT'S THE LAND USE ISSUE. UM, I'D LIKE TO RESERVE SOME REBUTTAL TIME TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS AFTER THE TIME, BUT THAT'S IT FOR MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UM, AND WE START WITH THE CITIZEN SIGNED UP TO SPEAK [02:15:04] AUBREY LEWIS, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT MISSON. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. NAME IS AUBREY LEWIS. UH, ADDRESS IS 10 10 IOWA STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I CAN SAY GOOD AFTERNOON TO COMMISSIONER CHAIRWOMAN, MRS. JOY MCGEE AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS. UH, I'M A LEWIS PRESIDENT OF DENVER HEIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE ARE HERE THIS AFTERNOON IN SUPPORT OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH REZONING REQUESTS THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE DENVER HEIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. IN A LETTER TO COUNCILWOMAN JADA, ANDREW SULLIVAN DATED SEPTEMBER 27TH, 2019, WHICH IS THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE ASSOCIATION, VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO SUPPORT THE REZONING REZONING REQUEST OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AGAIN IN OUR OCTOBER 15TH, 2019 EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING. WHEREAS WE DID IN FACT REVISITED THE REZONING REQUESTS OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AND ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS AN OVERWHELMING VOTE TO CONTINUE OUR SUPPORT OF THE REZONING REQUESTS BY THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. IT IS ALSO FURTHER OUR FURTHER UNDERSTANDING THAT REZONING DEALS WITH LAND ONLY AND NOT THE CONTENTS THEREOF. AND IN ADDITION, IT'S ALSO OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT CHURCHES NORMALLY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH SUCH A REZONING PROCESS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ROBERT JAMERSON, FOLLOWED BY THOMAS WASHINGTON. I AM ROBERT JIMON, PASTOR SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. MY ADDRESS IS 11 4 11 4 2 FOREST SQUARE. AND GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I STAND AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN RETIRED MILITARY OFFICER AND PASTOR OF SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. I STAND MINDFUL OF MY FOREFATHERS WHO CAME TO AMERICA NOT BY CHOICE, BUT CAME AS SLAVES ARE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THESE YOUNG PERSONS WHO COME, WHO COME TO OUR SHORES, THEY COME SEEKING A BETTER LIFE. WE AS SECOND BAPTISTS, WITH YOUR HELP, THE HELP OF OTHERS, WE'LL CREATE A BETTER LIFE. WE WILL ENHANCE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE, THEIR QUALITY OF LIVING BY PROVIDING A SAFE SHELTER, BY ENSURING THAT THEY HAVE EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE NEEDS ARE MET. SECOND BAPTIST, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, IS A GREAT CHURCH WHO GREAT NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE GOD THAT WE SERVE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF SECOND BAPTIST, IT'S 140 YEARS OLD. IN THE LAST 26 YEARS, WE HAVE TAKEN 10% OF OUR OFFERINGS AND GIVEN TO THIS COMMUNITY, WE'VE GIVEN TO SAM, WE'VE GIVEN TO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF CHRISTIAN JEWS. WE HAVE BURIED PERSONS WHO DID NOT HAVE FAMILY, CAME TO OUR CITY THROUGH HURRICANE KATRINA. WE HAVE MET NEEDS. IT'S OUR MISSION TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN WE ARE. PRAY FOR YOUR SUPPORT AS WE SEEK TO CONTINUE THE MINISTRY. THAT'S TWO MINUTES, SIR, THE MINISTRY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU. GOD'S BLESSINGS. REST WITH YOU AND REST WITH YOUR WORK. AND GOD BLESS SAN ANTONIO, THIS COMMISSION AND GOD BLESS HIM. THOMAS WASHINGTON. THANK YOU. FOLLOWED BY DARRYL FORD. THOMAS WASHINGTON. I'M A DEACON AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. I'M ALSO A RETIRED, UH, AIR FORCE COLONEL, UM, AS SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AS A CHURCH, WE, UH, OH, BY THE WAY, I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN. UH, AS A CHURCH, WE [02:20:01] CANNOT FIGHT WITH MISREPRESENTATIONS, EXAGGERATION IN LIES. UH, I START WITH A QUESTION, WHY WOULD YOU DENY A HOMELESS CHILD A PLACE TO LIVE? UH, EACH MONDAY AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, FOR 50 OUT OF THE 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR, WE PROVIDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, BY ASSISTING THEM TO PAY UTILITIES AND HOUSING AND RENT. WE PROVIDE FOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY CLOTHING, UH, SUMMER DAY CAMP AS PART OF OUR MISSION. AND AS A PART OF OUR MISSION, WE'RE SEEKING TO PROVIDE SHELTER FOR MIGRANT CHILDREN WHO CAME TO THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT ADULT SUP SUPERVISION, WHO NEED SHELTER TO GET OUT OF THE CAGES AND OFF THE COLD FLOOR, AND INTO A FACILITY WITH COMFORTABLE BEDS, MEDICAL CARE, DENTAL CARE, COUNSELING, LEGAL ASSISTANCE, EDUCATION, RECREATION, AND SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE. IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FINANCIALLY SUPPORTED A MIGRANT RESOURCE CENTER, MEMBERS OF SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH HAVE DONATED $3.4 MILLION OF THEIR OWN FUNDS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THE NAME OF OUR FACILITY IS SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THE DONATIONS OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE ENABLED THE NEIGHBORS 30 SECONDS AND COMMUNITY, UH, TO USE THE CENTER WITHOUT CHARGE. APPROVAL OF THIS ZONING, UH, REQUEST WILL CHANGE. WILL, WILL, WILL ALLOW, WILL ALLOW SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH TO PROVIDE EXTENSIVE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES FREE OF CHARGE FOR THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING YOUTH AND SENIOR CITIZENS. THANK YOU. DARYL ALFORD, FOLLOWED BY JONATHAN RYAN. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M MY NAME'S DARYL ALFORD. I LIVE AT TWO 18 BONITA STREET, UH, SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH, PARTNERING WITH HABITAT AND HUMIDITY, UH, HUMANITY. AND WITH OVER 50 CHURCH, UH, VOLUNTEERS BUILT A HOME ON CLARK STREET FOR A SINGLE PARENT HISPANIC FAMILY. WE DONATED $50,000 TO A HOSPITAL IN TO HAITI TO BUILD A WELL, PROVIDING CLEAN WATER FOR DOCTORS AND PATIENTS AFTER THE TORNADO IN MEMORIAL OKLAHOMA. MEMBERS FROM SECOND BAPTIST JEHOVA U-HAUL FULL OF SUPPLIES TO THAT CITY. AFTER THE HURRICANE IN HOUSTON, A CHARTERED BUS WAS FILLED WITH NON-PERISHABLE FOOD, CLEANING SUPPLIES AND WATER, AND TAKEN INTO HOUSTON AFTER HURRICANE KATRINA'S SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH, OR PAID THE RENT FOR SIX FAMILIES FROM THREE FOR THREE MONTHS, PROVIDING FURNITURE, STOCK THEIR PANTRIES WITH FOOD AND OTHER NECESSITIES AND PARTNERS WITH A LOCAL FUNERAL HOME TO PAY FOR THE BURIAL OF MR. GLORIA. THE FIRST KATRINA CASUALTY TO PERISH IN THIS KELLY AIR FORCE BASE SHELTER, ONE MEMBER GAVE HER A CREDIT CARD TO PAY FOR CLOTHING FOR EACH FAMILY MEMBER TO ATTEND THE FUNERAL. HELD A SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH TWICE EACH WEEK. OUR DOORS ARE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY FOR BREAKFAST AND DINNER. ONCE EACH WEEK, FAMILIES ARE ASSISTED WITH FUNDS FOR UTILITIES AND RENT. FIVE DAYS A WEEK, CHILDREN ARE FED AFTER COMPLETING HOMEWORK DURING THE AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM. ENTITLED HOMEWORK AT SECOND EACH YEAR, 30 SECONDS EACH YEAR AT AT LEAST 100 COMPLETE THANKSGIVING MEALS ARE GIVEN TO FAMILIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. REGARDLESS OF DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. WE DO NOT LIMIT OUR ADMINISTRATIVE DISTRICT. TWO ANNUALLY. WE PROVIDE CLOTHING, ENTERTAINMENT, BOUNCE OR BOUNCE HOUSES, PETTING ZOOS, CARRIAGE RIDES, AND OTHER AND ALL WHO CAME TO THE THANKSGIVING TO THE PARK OR FOOD FEST. ALL AT NO COST ARE PARTICIPANTS. OUR WOMEN'S ADMISSION CIRCLES SUPPORT THE RIVER CITY OUTREACH. PARAMOUNT NURSING HOME, TRANSLATIONAL LABOR. THAT'S TWO MINUTES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. JONATHAN RYAN, FOLLOWED BY JACQUELINE EMERSON. HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JONATHAN RYAN. I LIVE AT 3 9 3 4 BIG MEADOW STREET, AND I'LL BE RECEIVING TIME FROM MY COLLEAGUE, MS. BARBARA PENA, WHO'S AFFORDING THEIR TIME TO ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS JONATHAN RYAN. I'M AN IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY AND THE C E O OF RA. AIS RAICES IS ONE OF THE LARGEST PROVIDERS OF LEGAL DEFENSE SERVICES TO CHILDREN IN GOVERNMENT CUSTODY IN THE COUNTRY. WE'RE THE LARGEST LEGAL SERVICE PROVIDER TO IMMIGRANTS, UH, NONPROFIT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WE ARE BASED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. ON ANY GIVEN DAY, WE WORK WITH ABOUT A THOUSAND CHILDREN WHO ARE IN HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES CUSTODY, AS WELL AS MANY MORE WHO HAVE BEEN RELEASED FROM CUSTODY INTO THE COMMUNITIES WE SERVE ACROSS THE STATE. SHOULD VISION QUEST BE ALLOWED TO [02:25:01] OPERATE IN THIS CITY? RAICES WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BECOME CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE LEGAL SERVICES TO THE CHILDREN BEING DETAINED INSIDE OF THE VISION QUEST CENTER. IN SHORT, MUCH LIKE SECOND BAPTIST AND VISION QUEST THEMSELVES, I STAND BEFORE YOU AND MY ORGANIZATION WILL RECEIVE MONEY IF THIS FACILITY IS OPEN. HOWEVER, UNLIKE THEM, I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU TO SAY WE DO NOT WANT THIS FACILITY HERE IN TEXAS, AND WE DO NOT WANT THIS MONEY. RIGHT NOW, OVER 50,000 PEOPLE ARE HELD RIGHT NOW, OVER 50,000 PEOPLE. I'M SORRY EVERYONE. I I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, BUT IF WE COULD, UM, KEEP IT SO WE CAN KEEP THE MEETING GOING. THANK YOU. RIGHT NOW, OVER 50,000 PEOPLE ARE HELD IN IMMIGRATION DETENTION AND OVER 10,000 OF THEM ARE CHILDREN. ROUGHLY. RAICES SEES ROUGHLY 10% OF THE CHILDREN THAT COME THROUGH THIS SYSTEM ANNUALLY, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD TO HELP GET THEM OUT AND PUT OURSELVES OUT OF A JOB. WE HAVE A DUTY AND A MORAL RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT AN END TO THE RAPID GROWTH OF THIS BROKEN SYSTEM. PRIVATE COMPANIES LIKE VISIONQUEST ONLY WANT TO SEE IT GROW AND GROW. LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE THING. ALL O R R FACILITIES LIKE VISIONQUEST ARE DETENTION CENTERS, NOT SHELTERS. THEY WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THE BRIGHT BEDSPREADS AND THE FAMILY REUNIFICATIONS. BUT WHAT WE KNOW FROM WORKING INSIDE OF THESE FACILITIES FOR MORE THAN A DECADE IS THAT FOR EVERY CHILD INSIDE THERE IS AN ICE PROSECUTOR ATTEMPTING TO DEPORT THAT CHILD. MR. RYAN, I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. UH, WE NEED TO VERIFY MS. PENAS TIME. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES. FROM THE MOMENT OF THE RI THERE'S A NICE PROSECUTOR FOR EVERY CHILD WHO'S SEEKING TO DEPORT THAT CHILD BACK TO THE COUNTRY THAT HE OR SHE FLED. FROM THE MOMENT THE CHILD ARRIVES INSIDE THE FACILITY, THE RACE IS ON AND IT IS ON GROUPS LIKE RAICES, NOT VISION QUEST TO PROTECT CHILDREN FROM THE COLD MACHINERY OF THE IMMIGRATION COURTS. MOREOVER, WE KNOW NOW THAT THE INFORMATION COLLECTED BY THESE FACILITIES IS SHARED WITH ICE AND HAS BEEN USED TO TARGET WOULD-BE CHILDREN'S SPONSORS FOR ARREST AND DETENTION. THEY GET THE INFORMATION AND GIVE IT TO H H S H H SS GIVES IT TO ICE AND ICE RUNS IT THROUGH SOFTWARE DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM BY THE BIGGEST TECH COMPANIES IN THE WORLD, AND IT PROVIDES A ROADMAP FOR THE ARREST, DETENTION, AND DEPORTATION OF EVERYONE THEY KNOW. IN THE UNITED STATES, WE'VE SEEN WAVES OF THESE SO-CALLED SPONSOR RAIDS OCCUR UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION, AND IT HAS DRAMATICALLY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF FAMILY MEMBERS COMING FORWARD TO SPONSOR THEIR RELATIVES. THIS HAS THE RESULT OF INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF TIME CHILDREN SPEND IN DETENTION AND INCREASES THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO GIVE UP ALL HOPE FOR RELEASE AND ASK TO BE DEPORTED BACK TO THE COUNTRIES THEY FLED. WE ALSO KNOW THAT INCREASINGLY THE CHILDREN BEING SENT TO H H S FOR THIS TYPE OF DETENTION HAVE BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR FAMILIES AT THE BORDER. EVEN AFTER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION NOMINALLY STOPPED THE FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY, WE CONTINUE TO SEE SEPARATED CHILDREN IN DETENTION. THESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM THEIR FAMILIES PLACED IN DETENTION AND DEPORTATION COURT PROCEEDINGS ALONE, AND THE FAMILIES ARE FORCED TO PAY EXTREMELY HIGH LAST MINUTE TRAVEL FEES TO GET THE CHILDREN BACK. IT MAY BE LEGAL OR IN THIS CASE A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY, BUT FOR THE FAMILIES THAT THIS IS HAPPENING TO WHO ARE PAYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO GET THEIR CHILDREN BACK, THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. 30 SECONDS. THEY KNOW A SHAKEDOWN WHEN IT HAPPENS TO THEM BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO THEM AT EVERY POINT IN THIS PROCESS. THEY HAVE SAID THAT ONE OF THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE IS ACCESS TO LEGAL SERVICES, BUT AGAIN, I MUST REMIND YOU, THAT'S ME, NOT THEM. THEY ONLY HAVE TO OPEN THE DOOR TO LET MY LAWYERS IN. THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK THEM IS IF THERE IS A CHILD IN THEIR CARE WHOM THEY KNOW IS GONNA DIE, IF THEY'RE SENT BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO TO STOP IT? NOTHING. IT'S THEIR JOB TO DELIVER THOSE CHILDREN TO ICE TO BE DEPORTED. THE SECOND AND FINAL QUESTION I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK THEM IS, WHY DON'T THEY SEEK NONPROFIT STATUS AS A NONPROFIT? THEY WOULDN'T PAY SALES TAX. THEY'D SPEND LESS TO DO THIS. WHERE ARE THEY MAKING THAT PROFIT? HOW ARE THEY GETTING THAT EXTRA MONEY? IT'S THE KIDS WHO ARE PAYING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JACQUELINE EMERSON, FOLLOWED BY NETTE BRAGG. FOR THOSE STANDING IN THE AISLE, IF WE CAN HAVE YOU FIND A SEAT. THERE'S PLENTY OF SEATS. THERE'S A ROW OF SEATS IN THE FRONT AS WELL. WE DON'T WANNA BLOCK THE FIRE DOORS. JACQUELINE EMERSON, 1 1 4 0 2 4 SQUARE. I ASK YOUR SUPPORT AS WE, THE MEMBERS OF SECOND BAPTIST CONTINUE OUR MANDATE TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF ALL PERSONS WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, RELIGION, CREED, OR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, AND ALLOW VISION QUEST TO PARTNER WITH US TO PROVIDE A CLEAN, SAFE, WHOLESOME HABITAT FOR CHILDREN WITH LITTLE HOPE, WITH OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE THAT NO CHILD BE FURTHER VICTIMIZED. OUR NATION HAS A HISTORY OF WELCOMING THE TIRED, POOR HUDDLE, THE MASSES YEARNING TO BREATHE FREE INDIVIDUALS CROSSING THE ATLANTIC TO OUR EASTERN SHORES, BUT AS WE SPEAK, ERECTING WALLS FOR THOSE SOUTH OF OUR BORDER, BARRIERS TO THOSE FROM SOUTHERN NATIONS, EVEN TO THOSE FROM WHOM THIS STATE WAS CARVED. WHAT AN [02:30:01] INTERESTING DICHOTOMY. WE ARE POLITICALLY DIVERSE CONGREGATION RESIDENTS FROM DISTRICTS ACROSS THE CITY DETERMINED TO CONTINUE OUR MINISTRY OF HOPE FOR THE HOPELESS. JOIN US AS WE SET ASIDE OUR PERSONAL AND POLITICAL ALLEGIANCES AND AGENDAS, AND CHANGE THE NARRATIVE FOR THE FUTURE OF HOMELESS CHILDREN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NETTE BRAGG, FOLLOWED BY ERICA BRADLEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. PROVERBS 28 AND 21. REEDS DEATH AND LIFE ARE IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE AND THEY THAT LOVE IT SHALL EAT THE FRUIT THEREOF AS A PROUD, PRODUCTIVE RESIDENT BORN AND RAISED ON THE EAST. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. DO YOU MIND STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? I'M SO SORRY. OH, YEAH. MM-HMM. TTA BRADY, AND WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED? ADDRESS, ADDRESS, I'M, I'M HERE STANDING IN MY FATHER'S THREE 11 AETNA AVENUE. THANK YOU. MY TWO MINUTES START NOW. THANK YOU. . AS A PROUD, PRODUCTIVE RESIDENT, BORN AND RAISED ON THE EAST SIDE, TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED SITE, I CHOOSE TO SPEAK LIFE AND EAT THE FRUIT OF LIFE. MY RESEARCH INDICATES THAT THE VISION QUEST PROGRAM IS NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR CHILDREN. MY RESEARCH ALSO INDICATES THAT NUMEROUS CHILDREN HAVE BEEN HARMED AND SOME HAVE EVEN DIED UNDER VISION QUEST. WATCH MY RESEARCH FURTHER INDICATES THAT IF APPROVED, THERE IS NO LIMIT ON HOW LONG THIS PROJECT COULD BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. APRIL 20TH, 2012, AT 3:00 AM I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL THAT MY 85 YEAR OLD FATHER'S HOME WAS INVADED. WHEN I ARRIVED ON THE SCENE, I WAS ADVISED THAT HE HAD BEEN SHOT HOG TIED AND LEFT TO DIE IN HIS HOME TWO BLOCKS FROM THE PROPOSED SITE. I STAND TODAY FOR THAT 92 YEAR OLD MAN THAT STILL LIVES IN HIS HOMESTEAD AT THREE 11 AETNA, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. THAT OLD MAN THAT SURVIVED THAT INVASION, I STAND TODAY SPEAKING THAT NO PROJECT SHOULD BE APPROVED IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD BE HARMFUL TO THE CITIZENS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE OF MANY OF HIS SAYING TO HIS FIVE GIRLS HAS ALWAYS BEEN TTA ALL MONEY IS NOT GOOD MONEY. SO I GO BACK TO SAY, DEATH AND LIFE ARE IN THE POWER OF THE TONGUE, AND THEY THAT LIVE THAT LOVE IT SHALL EAT FROM THE FRUIT THEREOF. I CHOOSE TO SPEAK ON THE LOVE. THANK YOU. ERICA BRADLEY, FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH HERNANDEZ. UH, MY NAME IS ERICA BRADY AND I LIVE ON 50 30 IN LOOP 1604. UM, I JUST MOVED THERE, BUT I AM FROM THE AREA OF THREE 11 AETNA. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SCRIPTURES. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM THE HEART. UM, AND Y'ALL WANNA BRING THE VISION QUEST IN TO HELP KIDS THAT AREN'T EVEN FROM THAT COMMUNITY. AND I'M ONE OF THOSE CHILDREN FROM THAT COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE HELP TO THE POINT TO WHERE IT'S LIKE, I HAVE A SON NOW, SO LIKE Y'ALL ARE HELPING PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THAT ONE OUR COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU WANNA TALK INTO THE MIC? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. IT'S LIKE PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED IN OUR COMMUNITY EVERY DAY. THEY SAY THEY HAVE STUFF FOR CHILDREN, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN ON THE SITE TO SEE IT. SO IT'S LIKE, Y'ALL WANT US TO BE WITH THIS, BUT I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW I'M GETTING EMOTIONAL, BUT IT'S LIKE WE HAVE CHILDREN IN THAT COMMUNITY. I KEEP SAYING THAT, BUT WE HAVE CHILDREN IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT NEED HELP AND GANG VIOLENCE AND ALL OF THAT. WE'VE CRACKED IT DOWN, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA BRING THIS BACK IN. NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE GANGS, OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN LOOKING FOR THOSE KIDS. DO Y'ALL NOT UNDERSTAND THAT? I MEAN, LIKE, I KNOW Y'ALL DO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, NOW YOU'RE GONNA BRING EXTRA ACTIVITIES AND WE'RE ALREADY TRYING TO GET OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT? SO NOW Y'ALL BRINGING EXTRANESS IN, BUT Y'ALL CAN'T EVEN HELP THE COMMUNITY IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT Y'ALL WANNA HELP OTHER PEOPLE'S COMMUNITY. HOW DOES THAT WORK? LIKE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO ALL I'M ASKING IS, AS A COMMUNITY, WE SHOULD HELP OUR COMMUNITY FIRST BEFORE WE TRY 30 SECONDS, HELP ANY OTHER COMMUNITY. I'M I'M AGAINST IT BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT EVEN TOGETHER FIRST. SO HOW CAN WE STAND AS A COMMUNITY TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE AND OUR COMMUNITY IS FALLING? THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. DEBORAH HERNANDEZ, FOLLOWED BY ANNA ORTIZ. BEFORE WE START, UM, JUST WANNA LET Y'ALL KNOW, UH, THESE MEETINGS ARE LIVE STREAMED. HOWEVER, WHEN THERE'S [02:35:01] FEEDBACK FROM THE MICROPHONE, WHEN PEOPLE SPEAK TOO CLOSE TO IT AND IT GETS LOUD, IT'S CAUSING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. SO TRY TO JUST STAY AWAY FROM THE MIC A LITTLE BIT. IF WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, WE'LL RAISE THE VOLUME FROM THIS SIDE. SO JUST TRY NOT TO GET TOO CLOSE TO THE MIC. HI, UM, MY NAME IS DEBBIE HERNANDEZ. UM, MY ADDRESS, YOU SAID 57 19 STONY BROOK. UM, 7 8 2 4 2. UM, I COME, UM, I I WORK FOR RAICES AND I'M A MEMBER OF SA STANDS WHERE, UM, 27 CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS THAT HAVE UNITED, UM, TO STOP RACISM AND, AND THINGS IN THIS CITY. UM, THE REASON THAT I'M SPEAKING HERE TODAY IS NOT SO MUCH THE LOCATION, UM, THAT Y'ALL ARE HAVING. UM, IT'S VISION QUEST. I MEAN, IF IN MY OPINION, AND, AND IT'S MINE, BUT I WORKED FOR THE BAPTIST CHILDREN'S HOME. I'VE WORKED WITH THE BAPTIST BEFORE. I KNOW HOW THEY TREAT KIDS. IF IT WAS THE BAPTIST THAT WERE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THOSE, THOSE KIDS, I WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE STANDING RIGHT HERE BEFORE YOU, BUT I'M TELLING YOU ALL THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT SHELL OF A BUILDING IS GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA REZONE IT. THAT SHELL OF A BUILDING IS GOING TO BE RENTED. VISION QUEST IS RUNNING THIS FACILITY. VISION QUEST HAS A LONG LIST OF HORRENDOUS ATROCITIES TOWARDS CHILDREN, TOWARDS ADULTS. KIDS HAVE DIED THERE, LITTLE GIRLS HAVE BEEN RAPED. IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL DOCUMENTED. PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN FIRED. AND, AND, AND YOU CAN LOOK ON EVEN ON GOOGLE, LOOK IT UP. YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AND, AND THING AFTER THING AFTER THING HAS HAPPENED AND STILL IT EXISTS. I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE TAKING CARE OF THESE KIDS. THE SECOND THOSE KIDS WALK IN THAT BUILDING, THE DOOR SHUTS AND NOBODY GETS TO SEE THESE KIDS ANYMORE, 30 SECONDS EXCEPT THEIR LAWYERS. SO HOW ARE YOU GONNA KNOW HOW THEY'RE TREATED LATER? SO YOUR NO IS GONNA SAVE KIDS. DO NOT CHANGE THAT ZONING BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE LIVES OF ALL THOSE CHILDREN ON OUR HANDS, AND I PROMISE YOU THERE'S GONNA BE PICKETERS AND PEOPLE PROTESTING IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING EVERY DAY UNTIL IT'S SHUT DOWN, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CONCENTRATION CAMP THAT WE'VE SHUT DOWN. SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANNA ORTIZ, FOLLOWED BY LEE GOODMAN. AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ANNA ORTIZ. I'M A DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT. I'M A LONGTIME DETAINED MIGRANT ADVOCATE AND ARTS PRACTITIONER. I'M HERE REPRESENTING INNOVATION LAW LAB, THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER. UM, I HAVE WORKED WITH DETAINED MIGRANTS IN D H SS, CUSTODY AND OR CUSTODY FOR OVER FOUR YEARS. UM, I'M AVAILABLE TO EXTEND ANY EXPERT OPINION IF YOU FIND IT HELPFUL. UM, BEFORE I BEG YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS REZONING REQUEST, I WANT TO REMIND YOU WHO THE CHILDREN DETAINED IN THIS FACILITY WILL BE. THEY'RE THE SAME CHILDREN THAT HAVE DIED AT THE CRUEL NEEGLE NEGLECTFUL HANDS OF CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL. THEY'RE THE SAME CHILDREN OF FAMILIES WHO ARE BEING FORCED TO WAIT IN MEXICO FOR THEIR ASYLUM HEARINGS AND IN DESPERATIONS SEND THEIR CHILDREN ACROSS ALONE IN ORDER TO ESCAPE THE DANGER OF THE VIOLENCE IN MEXICO. THEY'RE INDIGENOUS CHILDREN, THEY'RE LOVED, THEY'RE PRAYED OVER THEIR CHILDREN. LET ME REMIND YOU ALSO THAT THE MODELS TO OPERATE THESE CENTERS ARE MORE SIMILAR TO CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES THAN SHELTERS. THERE'S VERY LITTLE OVERSIGHT. LICENSING A SACRED SPACE UNDER THE PRETENSE OF HELPING THESE CHILDREN WOULD PROFOUNDLY DENY JUST HOW MUCH CAPACITY WE HAVE TO REALLY EMPOWER MIGRANT CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES. IT ALSO DENIES THE RESPONSIBILITY WE HAVE AS TEXANS TO THE THOUSANDS OF MIGRANTS THAT ARE SUFFERING IN IMMIGRATION DE DETENTION CENTERS ACROSS OUR STATE. IF A FACILITY WERE MIGRANT CHILDREN ARE HELD INDEFINITELY, IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE A COMMUNITY CAN EXERCISE THEIR KINDNESS, THEN WE HAVE FAILED THAT COMMUNITY. INDEFINITE DETENTION OF CHILDREN IS INCARCERATION. INDEFINITE DETENTION OF CHILDREN IS OBSCENE. IT IS FAMILY SEPARATION AND IT IS VIOLENCE. IT IS NOT AN OPTION. I ASK THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH THAT IF THEY ARE EARNEST IN THEIR INTENTIONS, 30 SECONDS TO HOLD, OPEN A MEETING TO RECEIVE INPUT FROM THE MIGRANT COMMUNITY AND HOW TO DO THIS WITHOUT PROFITING FROM THE VIOLENCE INFLICTED ONTO MIGRANTS. COMMISSIONERS NOTE ONLY DO I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS REZONING REQUEST. I PLEAD THAT YOU CONSIDER PROTECTING MIGRANT FA FAMILIES AND PLEDGE TO NO LONGER LET ANY IMMIGRATION DETENTION FACILITIES TO OPERATE IN THE CITY. THANK YOU. LEE GOODMAN, FOLLOWED BY SAMANTHA SMOTHERS, LEE GOODMAN. I COME TO YOU FROM 2201 CENTER AVENUE IN NORTH BROOK, ILLINOIS AT THE INVITATION OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN YOUR TOWN BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THE IMMIGRANT DETENTION CHILDREN'S FACILITIES AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, O R R, OFFICE OF REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT, [02:40:01] WHICH IS THE ONE THAT ESTABLISHED THESE BUILDINGS. IT IS BEEN MY DELIGHT TO SPEAK WITH REVEREND EMERSON AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF HIS CHURCH SINCE I GOT TO TOWN. THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. IT SADDENS ME VERY GREATLY TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE BEING MISLED BY VISION QUEST AND IT ANGERS ME THAT THEY'RE BEING LIED TO BY THEIR OWN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEBPAGE FOR THIS CHURCH, THEY'VE GOT FAQS ABOUT THIS FACILITY AND IT SAYS, AND I'M GONNA QUOTE, SHOULD A CHURCH BE INVOLVED IN THE ORGANIZATION OF DETENTION FACILITIES FOR MIGRANT CHILDREN? NO. AT LEAST NOT THIS CHURCH. YOU SEE, THESE PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH DETENTION BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD THIS IS NOT DETENTION. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE TRUTH IS, THAT THESE FACILITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE PRACTICE IS THE SAME AT EVERY DOOR. THERE'S A GUARD AND THE GUARD'S JOB IS TO MAKE SURE NONE OF THE KIDS CAN GET OUT AND THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT BECAUSE ALMOST NONE OF THE KIDS EVER DO GET OUT. AND THE WAY THEY DO IT, WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S DONE AT ALL THE PLACES, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT AT SOME OF THE PLACES, THEY DO IT SIMPLY BY INTIMIDATING AND FRIGHTENING THE CHILDREN AND THREATENING THEM THAT IF THEY TRY AND LEAVE, THEY WILL BE ARRESTED, THEY WILL BE, BE DEPORTED, AND THEY WILL NEVER SEE THEIR FAMILIES AGAIN. NOW, EVERY SO SOME BRAVE CHILD DOES PUT HIS HAND ON THE DOOR TO LEAVE, AND AS SOON AS HE DOES THAT, THESE GUARDS CALL ICE OR BORDER PATROL OR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE KIDS ARE ARRESTED AND EVERY KID INSIDE THAT FACILITY KNOWS THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED. AND THAT'S WHY VERY FEW OF THEM TRY TO LEAVE 30 SECONDS. THEY CALL THIS A TEMPORARY MIGRANT CHILDREN'S HOUSING FACILITY. THIS IS A MISCHARACTERIZATION OF THE ESSENTIAL NATURE OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE. AND FOR THAT REASON, I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD REJECT THIS APPLICATION. IT'S A MAJOR DEFECT IN THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SAMANTHA SMOTHERS, FOLLOWED BY ALLIE JACKSON. TODAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M SAMANTHA SMOTHERS AND I'M FROM DISTRICT SIX. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY TO YOU THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU SIT WERE GENERATIONS BEFORE YOU HAVE SAT AT THE CRUX OF HISTORY, YOU MAY THINK THAT THIS IS MERELY A ZONING ISSUE. YOU MAY BE SAYING TO YOURSELF THAT THIS IS NOT A MORAL ISSUE. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE. THIS IS NOT A SOCIAL ISSUE. THIS IS JUST ABOUT A BUILDING. BUT DO YOU REALLY WANNA BE SITTING WHERE THE PEOPLE OF NIERENBERG WERE SITTING WHEN THEY SAID, I WAS JUST DOING MY JOB. I DON'T WANT TO OPEN THE HISTORY BOOKS AND SEE SAN ANTONIO LISTED UNDER THE NAMES OF PLACES RESPONSIBLE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES. I DON'T WANT TO LOOK GRANDCHILDREN IN THE EYE AND TELL THEM THAT I JUST SAT BACK AND DID NOTHING TO STOP THIS. DID NOT THE SON OF MAN SAY I WAS HUNGRY AND YOU GAVE ME SOMETHING TO EAT. I WAS THIRSTY AND YOU GAVE ME SOMETHING TO DRINK. I WAS A STRANGER AND YOU INVITED ME INTO YOUR HOME. TRULY, I TELL YOU, WHATEVER YOU DID FOR ONE OF THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS, YOU DID FOR ME TO ECHO THINGS WE HAVE ALREADY ALREADY HEARD IN THIS PRESENTATION. VISION QUEST AND COMPANIES LIKE THEM, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WELFARE OF CHILDREN. THEY CARE ABOUT PROFIT. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO HOW MUCH MONEY THEY CAN MAKE. THEY CALL IT A SHELTER, BUT THE CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES ARE NOT FREE TO COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE. AS STATED, ANY CHILD WHO DARES TO LEAVE HAS THE SHERIFF OR ICE CALLED ON THEM SECONDS. AND THOSE 30 SECONDS STILL INSIDE THE WALLS ARE THREATENED WITH DEPORTATION BACK TO HORRIBLE WAR ZONES. SHOULD THEY ATTEMPT THE SAME? IF VISION QUEST CARES SO MUCH ABOUT CHILDREN, THEN WHY ARE THEY NOT A NON-PROFIT? WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PROFITS OVER PEOPLE. SO DON'T JUST DO YOUR JOBS, DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. ALLIE JACKSON, FOLLOWED BY SHERLETTA PLUMBER. MY NAME IS ALLY JACKSON. I, UH, MY ADDRESS IS 82 0 2 MANUALLY PLACE AND I LIVE IN CONVERSE, BUT I'M A A MEMBER OF SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. I'M A DEACON AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. AND, UH, FROM THE INDIVIDUALS I'VE HEARD THUS FAR, UH, THERE'S A, A LOT OF CONTROVERSY, A LOT OF MISINFORMATION BEING PROPAGATED HERE. NOW, WE AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, WE ARE A GREAT CHURCH. WE, AS A PASTOR MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WE, NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE OBSERVING OUR HUNDRED AND 40TH ANNIVERSARY, AND THAT'S 140 YEARS OF A BODY OF CHRISTIAN FOLLOWERS, UH, DOING AND DOING THE WILL OF GOD. AND THAT'S THROUGH MISSIONS. NOW, THE LADY WHO [02:45:01] WAS UP HERE JUST A MOMENT AGO, SHE, UH, INTRODUCED A VERY SIGNIFICANT PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE THAT JESUS GAVE TO HIS, HIS APOSTLES. AND IN IT, HE WAS SAYING THIS, THAT WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER INDIVIDUALS WHO MORE OR LESS, UH, ARE INDEED THEN YOU, IF YOU CAN HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TOWARDS THAT INDIVIDUAL, AND THAT IS TO REACH OUT AND PROVIDE, WHETHER IT'S SHELTER, WHETHER IT'S FOOD, WHETHER IT'S SAFETY OR SECURITY, WHATEVER YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, THIS IS WHAT JESUS SAYS IN THAT PARTICULAR PARABLE. NOW, MOST OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS PARTICULAR ROOM DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. UH, I DIDN'T MIGRATE FROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER. I'M SURE MANY OF YOU DIDN'T DO THAT EITHER. BUT THERE ARE SOME INDIVIDUALS LIKE THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE 30 SECONDS. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE OF THEIR OWN. WE AT SECOND BAPTIST, NOW WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW SOME OF THE MORE OR LESS THE, THE, THE MODEL OF THIS CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THAT IS THEY HAVE HAVEN FOR HOPE WHERE THEY PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDS OF INDIVIDUALS REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY LOOK OR WHERE THEY CAME FROM. THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE THE, THE COMMUNITY CAN DO, AND THIS IS WHAT SECOND BAPTIST IS INTERESTED IN. AND IF WE CAN DO THAT JUST TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE ENCOUNTER, WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THAT SCRIPT THAT THE WORDS THAT JESUS ISSUED TO HIS APOSTLES SAYING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, YOU CAN'T DO IT TO ME DIRECTLY, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE AMONG YOU WHO CAN ABSORB AND CAN USE THE HELP. THANK YOU THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR OWN HANDS. THANK YOU. SHERLETTA PLUMMER, FOLLOWED BY ALAN JACKSON. MY NAME IS ELENA WINFREY. MY ADDRESS IS 50 27 STONEY DRIVE. I'M RELINQUISHING MY TWO MINUTES TO MRS. PLUMMER. THAT'S FOUR MINUTES, MA'AM. UH, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY, UH, I'D LIKE TO SHARE A LETTER THAT I'VE WRITTEN TO THE MAYOR WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, IF I MAY. YES, AS LONG AS IT'S IN YOUR TIME ALLOTTED. MY NAME IS HIRTA PLUMMER. I LIVE AT 34 52 CHATEAU DRIVE, AND I AM A RE RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO. UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US, YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK. UM, ONE THING, UM, I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT I THINK WE'VE ALL GOOGLED SOMETHING ABOUT VISION QUEST ON GOOGLE. AND THE SAD THING IS THAT SOMETIMES, UM, AT LEAST THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN OF, UH, MENTION ON FACEBOOK AND OTHER THINGS, I DON'T DO FACEBOOK, BUT I LOOK AT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SHARE WITH ME. UM, IT'S JUST KIND OF SAD THAT SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PUT OUT IS NOT TRUE. I FEEL THAT VISION QUEST AND SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH HAVE BEEN TREATED ARBITRARILY AND CAPRICIOUSLY BY CERTAIN, UH, GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS. OUR HONOR, INTEGRITY HAS BEEN DISPARAGED UNFAIRLY, I THINK AS A TEACHER OF 38 YEARS. AND YOU, WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW THAT ANY AGENCY, ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY, ANY GROUP, ANY CLUB, ANY ORGANIZATION MAY FROM TIME TO TIME HAVE PROBLEMS WITH CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WHO DO WRONG, BUT THERE IS A WAY TO REDRESS THOSE WRONGS, AND I'VE SEEN IT DONE. NOW, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT VISION QUEST HAS TWO CAMPUSES IN THE CITY, AND IF THAT'S CORRECT, 30 SECONDS, IF THAT'S CORRECT. I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD ANY EVIDENCE OF SOME OF THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN. WE'VE ALL BEEN APPALLED BY THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN ON TELEVISION. WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, IN THESE, UM, WELL, THE CAGES THAT WERE ON THE BORDER, I DON'T ENVISION THAT HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, I WAS A CHILD ONCE WHOSE MOTHER DUE TO HEALTH ISSUES, COULD NO LONGER TAKE CARE OF ME. MY THEY WERE, MY FATHER AND MOTHER WERE DIVORCED. MY FATHER LIVED IN AUSTIN. HE WAS A COACH AND EDUCATOR, KNEW NOTHING ABOUT WHERE I WAS, BUT THANKFULLY, THANKFULLY THERE WAS A CHURCH ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDED FOOD, SHELTER, CLOTHING, AND EDUCATION FOR ME. SO I KNOW HOW THAT FEELS. UM, AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I HAVE READ AND THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND VISION QUEST, THAT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN ON TV AND WHAT WE HAVE READ ON GOOGLE ABOUT PHILADELPHIA AND CALIFORNIA WOULD NOT BE [02:50:01] HAPPENING HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. I THINK EVERY, UH, VISION QUEST DESERVES, YOU KNOW, DUE PROCESS. I THINK THE CHURCH WORKING WITH VISION QUEST WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR THOSE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT WE HAVE READ AND SEEN. NOT TO HAPPEN, I HAD SOME RESERVATIONS, BUT THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT, I REMEMBER MYSELF BEING A CHILD WHO DIDN'T HAVE EITHER PARENT IN 1963 UNTIL MY MOTHER WAS EVENTUALLY GIVEN, UH, CUSTODY AND MY FATHER WON CUSTODY OF ME. AND I RESIDED IN AUSTIN. BUT THAT WAS RIGHT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE I, I LIVED IN AN ORPHANAGE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS MY MOTHER COULD TAKE CARE OF ME UNTIL MY FATHER RECEIVED CUSTODY. I AM ASKING YOU TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE FOR SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. AND REMEMBER THAT IT IS 30 SECONDS IS THE CHILDREN, THE CHILDREN WHO ARE THE POLITICAL FOOTBALL HERE. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BAD, REALLY BAD, NOTHING I WOULD WANNA SEE OR SUPPORT, I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE SECOND BAPTIST FACILITY. I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU. ALAN JACKSON, FOLLOWED BY SIMONE ISAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ALAN JACKSON. I LIVE AT 1950 UNIVERSAL CITY BOULEVARD IN UNIVERSAL CITY. I I'M A MEMBER, I'M A MINISTER AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AND I SERVE AS ASSISTANT TO THE PASTOR. I CAME TO SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH, UH, PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE WORK AND THE MINISTRY THAT THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, EVERY DAY, MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, UH, WE RECEIVE CHILDREN FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR AFTER SCHOOL. WE HELP THEM WITH THEIR HOMEWORK. WE GIVE THEM FOOD TO EAT. WE LET THEM PLAY. UM, EVERY SUMMER DURING OUR, WHEN THEY'RE OUT OF SCHOOL, WE HAVE A FIVE WEEK CAMP. CHILDREN COME EVERY DAY FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM THEY RECEIVE A BREAKFAST, LUNCH, A SNACK, BIBLE STUDY, COMPUTER CLASS, ARTS AND CRAFTS DANCE. UH, AND WE CHARGE THEM THE WHOPPING FEE OF $5 A WEEK. UM, I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS, THAT, UH, OUR MISSION AND OUR OUR WORK IS ABOUT HELPING CHILDREN, ABOUT HELPING FAMILIES, ABOUT, UH, DOING THE THINGS THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND, UH, THIS, UH, THIS VENTURE, THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH VISION QUEST, UH, WE BELIEVE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP MORE KIDS AND TO ASSIST MORE KIDS IN RECEIVING, UH, AGAIN, SHELTER, FOOD EDUCATION ASSISTANCE, UH, ANY KIND OF HELP THAT THEY WOULD STAND IN NEED OF. SO I, I STAND BEFORE YOU ASKING THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE OUR REQUEST AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SIMONE ISOM, FOLLOWED BY JAMES HUDSON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS NANCY RIDGE, 8 3 1 4 GLEN SHADOW AND I'M DELEGATING MY TIME TO SIMONE ISAM. THAT'S FOUR MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SIMONE ISAM AND I LIVE AT 59 46 WHISPERING LAKE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I AM A RETIRED EDUCATOR WITH 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHERE OVER 25 OF THOSE YEARS HAVE BEEN TEACHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. SAM HOUSTON, SS J DAVIS, AND RETIRED FROM HIGHLANDS. I HAVE ENJOYED LIVING AND GROWING UP ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. I FURTHER ENJOYED 60 YEARS OF MEMBERSHIP AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH BEFORE ME. TWO OTHER GENERATIONS OF MY ANCESTORS WERE MEMBERS DATING BACK TO THE TURN OF THE CENTURY. I CAN PERSONALLY REMEMBER IN 1967 WHERE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO EVICTED SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH FROM CHESTNUT STREET BECAUSE THEY WERE MOVING IN IH 37 HIGHWAY IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO DOME. SECOND BAPTIST GLADLY CONFORMED TO THEIR REQUEST AND ANXIOUSLY FOUND THE BUILDING. WELL THE ACREAGE ON 33 10 EAST [02:55:01] COMMERCE STREET. AT THAT, THAT TIME THE PASTOR WAS REVEREND SS H JAMES. OUR INTENT IN MOVING TO 33 10 EAST COMMERCE STREET WAS TO UPLIFT THE COMMUNITY ON THAT EAST SIDE. IT WAS REVEREND JAMES DREAM AND FURTHER, REVEREND JIMON CARRIED OUT THAT VISION AND BROUGHT THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO FRUITION IN 2011. DURING OUR 139 YEARS IN EXISTENCE, WE HAVE NEVER HAD THE REPUTATION OF PROPERTY OFF OF ANYONE OR ANY ORGANIZATION. OUR MISSION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HELP OTHERS. FOR INSTANCE, ON A WEEKLY BASIS, RESIDENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY COME AND RECEIVE ASSISTANCE WITH THEIR UTILITIES AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY NEED. EVERY YEAR WE GIVE AWAY 100 TURKEY DINNERS TO THE COMMUNITY WITH ALL THE SIDES AND THE TRIMMINGS AS WELL AS FOOD, CLOTHING, TOYS FOR KIDS. WE DO THIS BECAUSE WE LOVE CHILDREN. WE OPEN OUR COMMUNITY CENTER IN THE SUMMERS AND WINTER BREAKS BECAUSE WE LOVE CHILDREN. SECOND BAPTIST BELIEVES IN NURTURING CHILDREN NOT FOR PROFIT, BUT BECAUSE WE LOVE CHILDREN, OF COURSE, ME BEING AN EDUCATOR FOR 35 YEARS, I LOVE CHILDREN. WE'VE ALL SEEN THE PICTURES AT THE BORDER OF THE CHILDREN WHO DON'T SEEM TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM SAFE AND COMFORTABLE, BEDS AND COMFORTABLE SURROUNDINGS IN A FACILITY THAT WILL LET THEM WAIT FOR THEIR PARENTS OR RELATIVES TO COME AND PICK THEM UP. THIS PROJECT THAT WE ARE EMBARKING ON IS GOING TO PUT 41 PEOPLE IN JOBS, CREATE JOBS FOR 41 PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, WHETHER IT BE TEACHERS, TEACHERS ASSISTANTS, NURSES, FOOD SERVICE WORKERS, SECURITY, ET CETERA. I THINK THAT IS A VERY GOOD PLUS 30 SECONDS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS AN OUTSIDE PLAY AREA WHERE THEY CAN HAVE SUNSHINE. ALSO, THIS WILL NOT BE A DETENTION CENTER BECAUSE THESE CHILDREN HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. SECOND BAPTIST MEMBERS STAND READY AND WILLING TO HELP WHENEVER HELP IS NEEDED. AND WE CAN GO INTO THE BUILDING, WE CAN SUPERVISE AND MONITOR IN THAT BUILDING AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. I WENT TO SCHOOL ON THE EAST SIDE. THAT'S FOUR MINUTES MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE LOVE CHILDREN AND IT IS NOT FOR PROFIT. JAMES HUDSON, FOLLOWED BY GERALD BILLS. MY NAME IS JAMES HUDSON. UM, I LIVE AT 59 54 KISSING OAKS SAN ANTONIO. UH, I LIVE IN DISTRICT 10. I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS. I APPROACH YOU THIS AFTERNOON WITH A HEAVY HEART. I HAD NO IDEA THIS ZONING COMMISSION WOULD BE, UH, THIS INTENSE. I FEEL LIKE SECOND BAPTIST AND VISION QUEST ARE ACTUALLY ON TRIAL RIGHT NOW AS OPPOSED TO LISTENING TO WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. BUT OUR MISSION AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH IS TO PROVIDE SHELTER AND CLOTHING FOR THOSE IN NEED. WE WANT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR GOODNESS WITH THE CHILDREN. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE CHILDREN ARE COMING FROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER. WE OPEN UP OUR HEARTS AND OUR DOORS TO DO THAT, TO PROVIDE THOSE THINGS THAT THEY NEED. THOSE SHELTERS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT IT IS NOT OUR INTENT TO DO OR FOLLOW UP OR CONDONE ANY OF THOSE ACTS OR THOSE THINGS. OUR INTENTIONS ARE TO DO THE WILL OF GOD. CLEARLY WE ARE A CHURCH. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SERVE OUR GOD. 30 SECONDS. [03:00:01] I ASK YOU FOR APPROVAL OF THIS MEASURE SO THAT WE CAN BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING WITHOUT PARENTS AND WE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU. GERALD BILLS FOLLOWED BY SELENA PRI. UH, MY NAME IS GERALD BILLS. UM, MY ADDRESS IS 7,600 WEST MILITARY DRIVE TRAILER 44. OKAY, SO, UM, I'VE HEARD THAT YOU DON'T LIKE TO CONSIDER MORAL ARGUMENTS FOR OR AGAINST REZONING. SO I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING EXISTING ORDINANCES. ALCOHOL SALES CAN'T BE SOLD FOR CONSUMPTION ON OR OFF ANY PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN 300 FEET OF A SCHOOL AND SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES CAN'T OPERATE WITHIN 1000 FEET OF SCHOOLS. NOW THE REASONING FOR THOSE ORDINANCES ISN'T EXPLICITLY STATED, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH EFFORT TO GUESS THAT THE CITY BELIEVED THEY WERE NECESSARY TO PROTECT CHILDREN. SO IN THE SPIRIT OF THESE ALREADY EXISTING ORDINANCES, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS REZONING REQUEST, WHICH WOULD HURT CHILDREN BY FACILITATING THEIR PLACEMENT IN THE HANDS OF A CARETAKER WITH A KNOWN HISTORY OF ABUSE. YOU AREN'T CUSTODY JUDGES, CHILD CUSTODY JUDGES, BUT TODAY YOU MAY AS WELL BE. WOULD YOU AS A JUDGE PUT A CHILD IN THE CUSTODY OF SOMEONE WITH A KNOWN HISTORY OF CHILD ABUSE? EVEN IF THAT PERSON PLEADED WITH YOU SAYING THOSE WERE ISOLATED INCIDENTS OR THEY HAD CHANGED. MOST CHILDREN OR CUSTODY HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER WHO ARRIVED WITH THEM TO THE BORDER OR IS WAITING FOR THEM IN THE US THE FEW WHO DON'T HAVE FAMILY HERE BELONG WITH A CARETAKER. THEY THEMSELVES WOULD CHOOSE IF THEY HAD ALL THE INFORMATION. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THESE KIDS WOULD VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE THIS FACILITY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THIS COMPANY? I AM NOT HERE TO QUESTION THE INTENTIONS OF SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. NOW, SOME WILL ARGUE THAT THE CHILDREN WILL BE IN GOOD HANDS WITH SECOND BAPTIST. UNFORTUNATELY, SECOND BAPTIST IS NOT WHO IS TAKING CARE OF THE KIDS. THEY'RE MERELY LEASING THE FACILITY DIVISION QUEST. THEY WILL NOT HAVE OVERSIGHT THE FACILITY OR INFLUENCE OVER HOW THE CHILDREN ARE TREATED. WHAT'S MORE THE GOAL OF CHILD DETENTION CENTERS LIKE THIS IS NOT TO TAKE CARE OF KIDS, BUT TO GIVE THE GOVERNMENT TIME TO SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTRIES BACK TO THE SAME VIOLENCE THEY SACRIFICE SO MUCH TO FLEE THAT IS WRONG. REZONING TO ALLOW THIS FACILITY WILL HURT CHILDREN FAR MORE THAN A BAR OR A STRIP CLUB NEAR A SCHOOL. PLEASE VOTE NO THANK YOU. SELENA GILBERT, FOLLOWED BY MARK VERITY. OF COURSE, I'LL MAKE THAT CORRECTION FOR A CORRECT PRONUNCIATION. SELENA BANEZ GIBSON. I RESIDE AT 28 43 EAST HOUSTON STREET AND I AM ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE IT SEEMS THAT ACTUALLY LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I AM A SECOND GENERATION EASTSIDER AND BOTH MY NEPHEW AND NIECE WHO HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS BEING AFRICAN AMERICAN AND MEXICAN AMERICAN WILL BE THE THIRD GENERATION EASTSIDER AND FUTURE LEADERSHIP OF THAT COMMUNITY. UM, SO I AM HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY SPEAKING OF ZONING, THE SOCIAL, THE MORAL ISSUES. BUT I WANNA LET EVERYBODY KNOW HERE ON COMMISSION TODAY THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS ALREADY DIVERSE, DIVISIVE. WE HAVE NO UNITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, BECAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING AND BECAUSE OF THE GENTRIFICATION THAT IS HITTING OUR COMMUNITY STRAIGHT HEAD ON. UM, IT HAS REALLY CREATED A WEDGE BETWEEN BOTH AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND MEXICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES THERE IN THE DISTRICT. I AM OF THE BELIEF THAT HOUSING AND DETAINING CHILDREN, OR LIKE VERY MUCH THE GENTLEMAN WHO PRESENTED THE ZONING CASE ON BEHALF WHO STATED CONTAINED, UM, MEANS THAT THESE CHILDREN BE, WILL BE CONTAINED. I DO HAVE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION CALLED THE BOARDROOM PROJECT, WHERE I WORK WITH YOUNG GIRLS OF COLOR TO GET MORE WOMEN ONTO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY LEAD AND SERVICE THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES. TODAY WE ARE GOING TO TEACH AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT, BUT AT THE SAME TONE, I HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT IS TAKING PLACE RIGHT UP THE STREET FOR THEM BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THEIR FUTURE AS THEY SEE AND WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL WITH YOUNG KIDS THAT ARE IN THE POSITION AND PROBABLY GOING TO FIND THEMSELVES, UM, POTENTIALLY KNOWING PEOPLE OR CHILDREN WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAS ALREADY CREATED SUCH A HUGE WEB WEDGE BETWEEN NOT ONLY OUR CULTURES, OUR LANGUAGE, UH, BUT NOW WILL INCLUDE HOUSING. AND YOU KNOW, REALLY AS WE DON'T CONTINUE TO FIGHT OR UNITE, NONE OF US WILL HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE IN THE EAST SIDE, UM, UN UNLESS YOU ARE CONTAINED WITHIN A BUILDING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MARK CL OR VERITY, FOLLOWED BY ALEX BURNELL IS THERE. MARK ON IOWA STREET. [03:05:05] BURNELL, COME ON UP. HI, MY NAME IS ALEX BRUNELL. I LIVE AT 3 0 9 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE AT APARTMENT TWO. I'M THE ADVOCACY MANAGER AT MOVE TEXAS. MOVE TEXAS BUILDS POWER FOR YOUNG PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE. WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE MOVE TEXAS IS AN EAST SIDE INSTITUTION. WE'VE KNOCKED DOORS IN THAT COMMUNITY, TALKED TO VOTERS ABOUT IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT IMPACT THEIR LIVES, AND WE RECEIVE NOTHING BUT HOSPITALITY AND KINDNESS FROM THAT COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, AS AN EAST SIDE INSTITUTION, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMAIN VIGILANT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AS A MEMBER OF SA STANDS, A COALITION THAT SEEKS TO MITIGATE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN JAIL TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF CUSTODY AND DETENTION CENTERS. WHEN WE HEARD OF QUEST'S INTENTION TO COME TO THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, WE HAD TO STAND UP. WE HAD TO TALK TO YOUNG PEOPLE. WE HAD TO LET THEM KNOW THAT OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE AGES 10 TO 17 WOULD BE PUT BEHIND CLOSED WALLS AND BE POTENTIALLY BE SUBJECT TO ABUSE. AND THIS IS NOT A HYPOTHETICAL, RIGHT? THIS IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN DO THE RESEARCH NEEDED TO BE DONE. IT WAS SAID, DO WE KNOW WHO WE'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH? VISION QUEST HAS A TRACK RECORD OF ABUSE. THIS COMPANY HAS PROVIDED EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE NOT THE RIGHT PROVIDERS OF CARE. MANY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING THE RELIEF, THE ALLEVIATION, AND THE CARE THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS SITUATION DEEPLY NEED. VISION QUEST IS NOT THAT COMPANY. 30 SECONDS. SO AS MOVE TEXAS, ALONG WITH SA STANDS, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL TO REMEMBER THAT YOUR PILLARS OF SUPPORT IN A SYSTEM, YOU CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO VOTE THIS UP OR VOTE THIS DOWN. AND IF SOMEBODY SAID, YOU DON'T JUST WANT TO DO YOUR JOB, I KNOW THAT THE PURVIEW OF THIS IS JUST TO CONSIDER BUILDING CODES, ZONING CODES. BUT YOU ENABLE, UH, A COMPANY TO COME TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO POTENTIALLY TO DO DAMAGE TO PEOPLE WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THIS CITY. AND YOU SHOULDN'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. YOU SHOULD STAND WITH COMMUNITY AS THEY OPPOSE IT. THANK YOU CARMEN. CARMEN VILLA, FOLLOWED BY IRAMA CSOS. OH, MY NAME IS CARMEN BELLA. I RESIDE AT 15,802 WHITE CAP DRIVE 7 8 0 5 2. MY NAME IS CARMEN BELLA AND I'M HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THE VISION QUEST REZONING REQUEST. IN MARCH OF 2019, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO OPENED THE MIGRANT RESOURCE CENTER AS A TEMPORARY RESPONSE TO THE INFLUX OF ASYLUM SEEKERS WHO WERE RELEASED BY FEDERAL AUTHORITIES ALONG THE US MEXICO BORDER. AS OF JULY 20TH, 2019, OVER 25,000 MIGRANTS HAD BEEN HELPED. THIS ALLOWED THE MANY PEOPLE WHO FELT IMMENSE EMPATHY TO TURN THAT EMPATHY INTO ACTION. PEOPLE WERE CLOTHED, FED, AND KEPT SAFE. THAT IS WHAT THE HISTORY BOOK SHOULD RECORD ABOUT SAN ANTONIO DURING THIS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS CAUSED BY RACIST AND CRUEL POLICIES. THIS IS A LEGACY THAT SHOULD STAND NOT THE OPENING OF DETENTION CENTERS RUN BY VISION QUEST, A COMPANY WITH A HISTORY OF ABUSE, NEGLIGENCE, AND WORST OF ALL INDIFFERENCE. SHOULD THE REZONING REQUEST BE APPROVED, THE CITY WOULD BE COMPLICIT IN THE HISTORICAL AND GENERATIONAL TRAUMA THAT WILL BE INFLICTED UPON THESE CHILDREN AND UPON THEIR FAMILIES WHO OFTEN CAN'T FIND OUT WHERE THEIR CHILDREN ARE. THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE INTENTIONAL CRUELTY EMBEDDED IN THIS RACIST AND CRUEL POLICIES. CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE INCARCERATED 30 SECONDS IF THEY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WAITING ON THEM. THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES ON THE BACKS OF BLACK AND BROWN IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES MUST STOP JUSTIFYING. PROFITING OF THE PROFITING OFF THE BACKS OF BLACK AND BROWN IMMIGRANTS IS THE IMPACT OF BECOMING DESENSITIZED TO THEIR SUFFERING BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN DEHUMANIZED [03:10:02] AND DEMONIZED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES SUCH AS ICE AND C B P LEADING US INTO THE DARKNESS AWAY FROM GOD'S GRACE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I CSOS FOLLOWED BY WILLIAM JOHNSON, CAN CALL I CSOS ON HOUSTON STREET, EAST HOUSTON. OKAY, WILLIAM JOHNSON. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE ZONING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS WILLIAM B. JOHNSON. I LIVE AT 43 10 BLOOMVILLE DRIVE SAN ANTONIO. UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THIS SITUATION HAS, UH, IN A WAY GOTTEN OUTTA HAND. IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTFORWARD. HERE IT IS. A GROUP OF BELIEVERS WANT TO PROVIDE SHELTER TEMPORARILY FOR A GROUP OF, UH, YOUNG FELLAS FOR A GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME. UH, WHY IS THAT SUCH A PROBLEM? I, I FAILED TO SEE IT. UH, IT SEEMS TO ME MOTION AND EVEN POLITICS HAS RAISED ITS HEADS IN A WAY THAT IS DETRIMENTAL IN THIS CASE. AND I WAS HOPE IT'S NOT CONFUSING, UH, TO YOU AS COMMISSIONERS. UH, THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT THAT THEY NEED. THEY SIMPLY WANT A ZONE AND CHANGE IN ORDER THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE A DECENT SHELTER AND OF COURSE, RECREATION AND FOOD AND NURSING AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO A GROUP OF GUYS. IF THEY DON'T DO IT, GUESS WHAT? SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DO IT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA DISAPPEAR. SO THOSE WHO COME HERE AND STATE ABOUT THE FAULTS OF VISION QUEST AND WHAT THEY DID OR DID NOT DO 25, 30 YEARS AGO, WELL, PERHAPS, BUT THERE'S NO PERFECT COMPANY IN THE COUNTRY THAT I'M AWARE OF. A CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IN BUSINESS TODAY. THAT RECORD ISN'T TOTALLY, UH, CLEAN. SO, UH, UH, I ASK THAT YOU REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS ADULTS AND, UH, BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO OVERTURN THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF. 30 SECONDS. I'M A FORMER MEMBER OF FIRE POLICE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. I CHAIRED THAT BODY AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO OVERTURN RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF, BUT ASK THAT YOU DO THAT THIS TIME. SEE THE BIG PICTURE AND ALLOW THIS CHURCH TO PROVIDE AND DO WHAT THEY CAN DO BUSINESS. UH, THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF DOING WHAT, UH, BEST FOR THEIR MANKIND. ALLOW 'EM TO DO THAT. SO THEY MAKE A FEW BUCKS. SO WHAT I MEAN, WHY IS THAT SUCH A PROBLEM TO PEOPLE? UH, I ASK THAT YOU TWO MINUTES DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID SCHELL, FOLLOWED BY ELLI HARRIS, I THINK. HI COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DAVID SCHLOSS, FIVE 10 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE IN SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGE. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE A STAND FOR OUR CITY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE STAND ON THE DEHUMANIZATION AND DETENTION OF IMMIGRANTS AND PROFITING OFF THEIR BACK POLITICALLY AND FINANCIALLY. I COME BEFORE YOU AS A JEWISH AMERICAN AND THESE QUESTIONS DO BRING TO MIND THE HOLOCAUST FOR ME. I DON'T SAY THAT LIGHTLY. IT'S WITH A HEAVY HEART. 47 OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS WERE KILLED IN AUSCHWITZ IN ONE DAY IN THE GAS CHAMBERS FOR ME. NEVER AGAIN IS NOW. THESE DETENTION CENTERS MAY NOT BE THE DEATH CAMPS, BUT THE HOLOCAUST DID NOT BEGIN IN THE GAS CHAMBERS. IT WAS A DECADE, A PATH IN THE 1930S STARTING WITH DE HUMAN DEHUMANIZING, I'M SORRY, DEHUMANIZING RHETORIC, RESTRICTIVE LAWS, POLICE AND BUREAUCRATIC VIOLENCE, DETENTION CAMPS, LABOR CAMPS, ET CETERA. AND I WANNA TELL YOU A QUICK STORY. IN THE FALL OF 1938, MY GREAT GRANDMAMA, RACHEL WENT TO THE MARKET IN BERLIN TO BUY FISH, AS SHE OFTEN DID FROM HER REGULAR FISH MONGER. BUT THAT DAY SHE ARRIVED HOME AND SHE CUT OPEN THE FISH, AND INSIDE THERE WAS A NOTE. IT SAID, THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR MEN TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE NOTE, RACHEL IMMEDIATELY SENT HER HUSBAND AND ELDEST SON INTO HIDING HER YOUNGEST SON. MY GRANDPA SAM WAS HOME. AGE 12. THE NAZI OFFICERS CAME FOR THE MEN. THEY RANSACKED THE PLACE LOOKING FOR THEM. THEY INTERROGATED EACH OF THEM SEPARATELY AND THEIR STORY STOOD UP 30 SECONDS. [03:15:01] ULTIMATELY BECAUSE OF THE RIDING AND THE FISH, THEY ALL ES THE FOUR OF THEM ESCAPED GERMANY. AND JO JOINED AN UNCLE IN NEW JERSEY BECAUSE OF THE NOTE. I'M HERE TODAY AND I THINK THIS STORY SHOWS US WE HAVE A CHOICE. YOU HAVE A CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO ALLOW THE DEHUMANIZATION AND DETENTION MACHINE TO GO UNOBSTRUCTED. YOU CAN USE YOUR POSITION TO VOTE NO IN A SENSE. YOU CAN PUT A NOTE IN THE FISH. THANK YOU. ELLI RA FOLLOWED BY TERESA HU WHO? ELLI OR THERESA? NO. SO MY NAME IS ADRIANA CASTRO AND I'M GIVING UP MY TIME TO THERESA. HELLO, MY NAME IS THERESA HO. MY ADDRESS IS 6 5 5 EAST HILDEBRAND AVENUE. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS. UM, I'M AN ADVOCACY FELLOW FOR MOVE TEXAS AND A MEMBER OF, UH, SA STANDS. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST VISION QUEST ZONING REQUESTS. THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF PHYSICAL AND VERBAL ABUSE. CHILDREN HAVE BEEN CHOKED, HIT AND SEXUALLY ASSAULTED. ITS FACILITY IN PENNSYLVANIA WAS SHUT DOWN. NEW MEXICO DENIED THEM A LICENSE WHEN THEY PROVIDED MISLEADING INFORMATION ABOUT PAST ABUSE ALLEGATIONS. AND IF ANYTHING SHOULD BE CLEAR, VISION QUEST WON'T CHANGE SINCE THE EIGHTIES. ROBERT BURTON, THE FOUNDER OF VISION QUEST, HAS MADE CALLOUS AND RACIST STATEMENTS THAT ALSO SHOW A COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR THE CHILDREN. HIS COMPANY CLAIMS IT IS TRYING TO PROTECT ACCORDING TO THE DAILY BEAST. A 16 YEAR OLD WAS SENT TO A VISION QUEST FACILITY IN NEW MEXICO IN 1984. HE REPORTED TO NURSES THAT HE FELT ILL, BUT THEY THOUGHT HE WAS LYING. INSTEAD, HE WAS FORCED TO DIG A LATRINE WITH A DUST PAN IN HIS BARE HANDS AFTER THEY MADE HIM DO CALISTHENICS AND HE KEPT FALLING TILL HE DIED OF A PULMONARY EMBOLISM. THE LA TIMES REPORTED THAT THIS EVENT HAPPENED FOUR DAYS AFTER ARRIVING AT THE CENTER. IN RESPONSE, BURTON SAID, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A MEDICAL ISSUE. WE THOUGHT THE CHILD WAS A MALINGERER THE DAILY BEAST. ALSO PORT REPORTED THAT BACK IN 1979, BURTON WAS QUOTED AS SAYING THE USE OF THE N-WORD IS NOT NECESSARILY IMPROPER. WHEN THE DAILY BEAST ASKED HIM TO COMMENT ON THE COMPANY'S HISTORY, A SPOKESPERSON CALLED BACK SAYING THAT THE FOUNDER HAS NOT PLAYED AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE COMPANY IN SEVERAL YEARS. BUT ON VISIONQUEST WEBSITE, BOB BURTON IS LISTED AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS BOARD OF THE BOARD. SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, A VISIONQUEST EMPLOYEE TOLD THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER THAT BURTON WAS AT ONE OF THE FACILITIES IN PHILADELPHIA. THE EMPLOYEE REPORTED THAT HE TOLD TWO OF HER LATINO COWORKERS TO STOP SPEAKING SPANISH AND HAD MADE A SIMILAR COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY. IN RESPONSE, A SPOKESMAN TOLD THE DAILY BEAST THAT BURTON WAS TRAINING AS A VOLUNTEER. IN MAY, W H Y Y PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE REPORTING THAT SEVERAL PAST AND CURRENT VISION QUEST EMPLOYEES IN PHILADELPHIA REPORTED EXPERIENCING A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT FEELING AS THOUGH THEY WERE NOT ADEQUATELY TRAINED FOR THEIR JOBS AND FELT THE FACILITY WAS NOT PREPARED TO ACCEPT CHILDREN. VISION QUEST WANTS MONEY SO LONG AS THERE'S AN IMMIGRATION POLICY IN THE UNITED STATES TO REMOVE CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS. VISION QUEST AND COMPANIES LIKE IT WILL THRIVE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY GET AWAY WITH DOWNPLAYING BURTON'S CONTINUED INVOLVEMENT WITH THE COMPANY. ITS EXTENSIVE HISTORY OF CHILD ABUSE AND ITS HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENTS FROM STATE GOVERNMENTS AND COMMUNITY LEADERS. THE FACT THAT A CHURCH IN THE EAST SIDE MUST RESORT TO SIGNING A DEAL WITH AN UNTRUSTWORTHY COMPANY TO PAY OFF DEBT SPEAKS TO THE STAGGERING ECONOMIC INEQUALITIES IN THE CITY. IT ALSO SPEAKS YET AGAIN TO THE WEALTH VISION QUEST'S. LEADERS STAND TO GAIN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH ITS $14 MILLION CONTRACT ACCORDING TO NEWS FOR SA MONEY POURED INTO DETAINING CHILDREN, RATHER THAN THE EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, THIS CITY AND MANY CITIES ACROSS THE NATION DESPERATELY NEED, I URGE YOU TO PLEASE VOTE AGAINST VISION QUEST ZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MARY GRACE KETNER, FOLLOWED BY SIMONE WASHINGTON. MARY GRACE KETNER 1 0 9 FIRST STREET, AND I'M A MEMBER. I'M A CO-CHAIR OF THE INTERFAITH WELCOME COALITION. WE ARE THE PEOPLE BEST KNOWN FOR WELCOMING MIGRANT FAMILIES AT THE SAN ANTONIO BUS STATION AND AIRPORT, UH, GIVING THEM BACKPACKS WITH SUPPLIES FOR THEIR JOURNEYS AS VOLUNTEERS OF MANY FAITH TRADITIONS, THE INTERFAITH WELCOME COALITION IS CLEAR IN OUR PURPOSE OF CARING FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN WHO ARE ALONE AND FEARFUL OF WHAT BROUGHT THEM TO OUR COUNTRY AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THEM NOW THAT THEY ARE HERE. OUR VOLUNTEERS SINCE 2014 HAVE SPOKEN TO ALMOST 140,000 PARENTS AND CHILDREN WHO HAVE HORRENDOUS ACCOUNTS OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM IN THEIR HOME COUNTRY AND DURING THEIR JOURNEY [03:20:01] TO THE UNITED STATES. WE DO NOT WANT TO ADD TO THEIR TRAUMA. IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT WE BELIEVE THEY DESERVE AND NEED THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF CARE UNTIL THEY'RE REUNITED WITH THEIR PARENTS OR FAMILY WITHIN THE UNITED STATES VISION QUEST, THE FOR-PROFIT COMPANY THAT IS CONTRACTING WITH SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH HAS HAD REPEATED REPORTS OF ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR BY STAFF. AS YOU HAVE JUST HEARD, SAN ANTONIO IS NOT THE KIND OF CITY THAT WOULD ALLOW COMPANIES TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF NEGLECT AND MISTREATMENT OF CHILDREN. WE KNOW THAT MANY OF THE CHILDREN NEED A PLACE TO STAY AND, AND THEY'VE EITHER BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR THEY HAVE RELATIVES WAITING IN THE UNITED STATES. WE BELIEVE THAT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH IS HONORABLE AND HAS ONLY THE HIGHEST EXPECTATION THAT THEY WILL BE HELPING THE CHILDREN BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR THEIR CARE 30 SECONDS UNTIL THEY CAN BE REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILY. BUT SECOND BAPTIST IS NOT IN CHARGE OF THIS OPERATION. THEIR MANY MINISTRIES SHOW THAT THEY ARE LOVING AND KIND, BUT WE BELIEVE THE RISK OF OF VISION QUEST BEING IN CHARGE IS TOO GREAT GIVEN THEIR RECORD OF NEGLIGENCE AND ABUSE. PERHAPS THE CHURCH COULD ATTRACT AN ARRANGEMENT WITH ANOTHER ORGANIZATION. WE ARE GRATEFUL AND PROUD OF THE CITY'S RECENT ACTION IN WELCOMING IMMIGRANT FAMILIES THROUGH THE MIGRANT RESOURCE CENTER, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT TRADITION OF HELPING MIGRANTS. THANK YOU. SIMONE WASHINGTON FOLLOWED BY YOU. KIKO ZA YA. HI THERE. MY NAME IS SIMONE WASHINGTON. I LIVE AT ONE TRINITY PLACE, 7 8 2 1 2. I STAND HERE AS A STUDENT OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY, A CONCERNED COMMUNITY MEMBER, AND AS A LONGTIME MEMBER OF THE EAST SIDE CHURCH OF CHRIST IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, MY CHURCH BACK HOME HAS AND DOES ENGAGE VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES THAT DO NOT INVOLVE COMPANIES WITH DOCUMENTED ABUSES. WE HAVE DONE SO WITHOUT PARTNERING WITH ORGANIZATIONS ACCEPTING MILLIONS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THEIR DETAINING AND DEMONIZATION PROJECTS. THOUGH I CAN UNDERSTAND THE BIBLICAL AND PHILANTHROPIC MOTIVATIONS THAT THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH HAS. I DO BELIEVE AS HAS BEEN SAID THAT VISION QUEST HAS MISCHARACTERIZED THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. OF COURSE, THE COMPANY WOULD NOT APPROACH THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH THAT THEY WANT TO PARTNER WITH, WITH VISIONS OF ABUSES, CHOKE HOLDS, SEXUAL ASSAULTS, ET CETERA. BUT INSTEAD WITH A GLEAMING VIEW OF THE SERVICES AND AMENITIES, THEY WILL PROVIDE THE CHILDREN. THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF WAYS TO FULFILL THE BIBLICAL MANDATE OF CARING FOR THOSE IN NEED, INCLUDING SUPPORTING NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE RAICES OR VOLUNTEERING WITH THE INTERFAITH WELCOME COALITION AT THE TRAVIS PARK MIGRANT SHELTER, OR EVEN THE BOARDROOM CENTER THAT THE YOUNG LADY MENTIONED BEFORE. PLEASE VOTE NO TO REZONING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. YUKIKO FOLLOWED BY NADINE MONGER. HI, MY NAME IS KO YAMAZAKI AND I'M A TRINITY STUDENT. AND SO I LIVE AT ONE TRINITY PLACE. I ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THE REZONING OF SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS BEFORE ME HAVE PRESENTED YOU WITH FACTS AND SENTIMENTS AGAINST VISIONQUEST, AND I URGE YOU TO TRULY CONSIDER THEIR ARGUMENTS. I SIM I SYMPATHIZE WITH MIGRANT CHILDREN ALL OVER AMERICA WHO MAY GO THROUGH A VERY TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE IN THEIR CHILDHOODS SPENT INSIDE OF DETENTION CENTERS, SUCH AS VISITING QUEST. I SIMPLY DO NOT WANT, AND THE COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT FOR SAN ANTONIO TO BECOME A TRAUMATIZING PLACE FOR CHILDREN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NADINE, FOLLOWED BY NOEL BARRERA. HELLO, MY NAME IS NADINE MONGA. I GO TO TRINITY UNIVERSITY. SO I LIVE AT ONE TRINITY PLACE. UM, HELLO, MY NAME IS NADINE MONGA AND I COME TO YOU ASKING TODAY THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST THE REZONING OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. DESPITE THE ASSERTIONS OF PRIOR SPEAKERS, A DETENTION CENTER WILL NOT BETTER THE LIVES OF THESE CHILDREN. AS WE HAVE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE NATION, WE NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STOP THAT FROM RECURRING IN OUR OWN CITY. WE CAN EITHER STOP THE DEVALUATION OF THE LIVES OF CHILDREN THAT COMES FROM THESE FACILITIES OR SIT BACK AND ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. THERE ARE WAYS TO SUPPORT MIGRANT CHILDREN WITHOUT, WITHOUT ALLOWING VISION QUEST TO PROFIT OFF OF THEIR MISTREATMENT. THERE ARE WAYS TO HELP THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE EAST SIDE WITHOUT MONEY FROM VISION QUEST. AS STATED [03:25:01] BEFORE, THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE CHURCH, IT'S ABOUT VISION QUESTS. THE CHURCH IS ONLY THE BUILDING TO HOUSE THESE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AND THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS WHILE THE CHILDREN ARE IN THEIR CARE. DETENTION CENTERS DO NOT REFLECT THE VALUES OF SAN ANTONIO NOR THE EAST SIDE COMMUNITY. INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THIS REZONING THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE, INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THE REZONING OF THIS COMMUNITY CENTER AND ALLOWING VISION QUEST TO MOVE IN, WE SHOULD INSTEAD FOCUS ON THE REVITALIZATION OF THE EAST SIDE AND LET SECOND BAPTIST BE THE START. THANK YOU. THANK YOU NOEL. NOEL BARRERA, FOLLOWED BY REBECCA FLORES. OKAY. HI, UM, MY NAME IS NOEL NOEL RA AND MY CURRENT ADDRESS IS ONE TRINITY PLACE, 7 8 2 12. UH, OKAY. WHEN VIS, WHEN VISION QUEST OPENED UP ITS NEW DIRECTIONS SHELTER IN LOGAN PHILADELPHIA. IN 2011, UH, INSPECTORS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES FOUND THAT BOYS AND GIRLS COMPLAIN, COMPLAINED THAT THEY WEREN'T PERMITTED ADDITIONAL PORTIONS OF FOOD, AND THAT DIRT AND ANIMAL DROPPINGS LITTERED THE STORE, LITTERED THE STOVE AREA IN 2014 AND 2015. ACCORDING TO THE, ACCORDING TO THE PHILADELPHIA ENQUIRER, UH, THREE MEMBERS OF THE VI WEST STAFF IN THIS FACILITY HAD NO C P R OR FIRST AID TRAINING, AND FIVE HAD NO MEDICAL PROOF THAT THEY WERE FREE OF SERIOUS COMMUNICA, SERIOUS COMMUNICABLE DISEASES REQUIRED WHEN WORKING AROUND CHILDREN OR FOOD. UH, SO FAR, THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH MEMBERS HAVE IMPLIED THAT WE ARE IGNORANT OF THE HISTORY OF VISIONQUEST. BUT ALL BUT WHAT I HAVE READ RIGHT NOW IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE PHILADELPHIA ENQUIRER. AND IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FROM ONE SUCH FACILITY, LIKE, AND THERE ARE MANY MORE EXAMPLES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, WHY WOULD WE THINK THAT SAN ANTONIO WOULD BE DIFFERENT? UM, MY SECOND, MY SECOND COURSE OF ACTION HERE IS TO ASK EVERYONE A QUESTION, UM, TO TO YOU THE, TO, SORRY, TO YOU, THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND ALSO TO, AND ALSO TO THE MEMBERS OF SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILDREN ATTEND A DAYCARE OR A PRESCHOOL? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THERE WAS A HISTORY OF 30 SECONDS OF, OF HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE AND LIKE EXAMPLES OF THE STAFF CHOKING AND HITTING CHILDREN IN THE FACE? NO. THEN WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? TO, WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO LIKE COUNTLESS CHILDREN WHO HAVE ALREADY ESCAPED HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES? WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS, AS, AS A CITY, AS A COMMUNITY TO DO BETTER AND TO DEMONSTRATE SOLIDARITY, NOT NOT BAKING QUEST, UM, DEFORMED, CORRUPT, UH, EXAMPLE OF CHARITY. THAT'S TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. REBECCA FLORES, FOLLOWED BY ETH FLORES. NO, REBECCA, NO ETH. OKAY. FATIMA MENENDEZ. HELLO, MY NAME IS FATIMA MENENDEZ. MY ADDRESS IS ONE 10 BROADWAY. UM, MY NAME AS I MENTIONED IS FATIMA MENENDEZ, AND I'M A LEGISLATIVE ATTORNEY FOR MALDEF, THE MEXICAN AMERICAN LEGAL, DEFENSE AND EDUCATIONAL FUND TESTIFYING AGAINST VISION QUEST. UH, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE YESTERDAY AT THE SUCCESSFUL UNIVERSAL CITY HEARING THAT WE HAD, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE AN IMPASSIONED PLEA BY VISION QUEST AT THE END OF THIS HEARING, UM, ABOUT ALL OF THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. BUT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AS AN IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY PRIOR TO MALDEF THAT WORKED FOUR YEARS REPRESENTING THE CHILDREN IN THESE FACILITIES, I'M HERE TO PRESENT YOU WITH FACTS BECAUSE I DO SPEAK FROM A LONG HISTORY OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE OF FACILITY. I'M HERE TO INFORM YOU THAT I KNOW MANY PEOPLE REFER TO THESE FACILITIES AS SHELTERS, BUT THEY ARE INDEED DETENTION FACILITIES. AND I VISITED MY CLIENTS IN THESE FACILITIES MULTIPLE TIMES PER WEEK FOR FOUR YEARS. THE CHILDREN ARE CONTAINED THROUGH VARIOUS SECURITY MEASURES, INCLUDING TALL FENCES, SECURITY CAMERAS, AND BAR DOORS AND WINDOWS. ALTHOUGH THE CHILDREN DETAINED IN THESE FACILITIES ARE TYPICALLY AWAITING REUNIFICATION WITH FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE UNITED STATES. THE PROCESS CAN TAKE MONTHS AND EVEN YEARS FOR SOME. DURING THIS TIME, THE CHILDREN ARE ALLOWED A SHORT PHONE CALL WITH A FAMILY MEMBER ONCE A WEEK. IT'S TYPICALLY 10 MINUTES, AND THEY ARE DENIED ACCESS TO MOST ACTIVITIES THAT BRING CHILDREN JOY AND HELPS 'EM TO DEVELOP MENTALLY. I HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN ATTEMPT SUICIDE WHILE DETAINED IN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. PART OF THIS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE LACK OF SUFFICIENT MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AVAILABLE TO THESE DETAINED CHILDREN. I KNOW THAT THE HISTORY OF CHILD ABUSE, PHYSICAL AND VERBAL HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED BY VISION QUEST AND THAT MANY PEOPLE HERE HAVE SAID THAT REUNIFICATION WILL HAPPEN VERY QUICKLY, 30 SECONDS. BUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, UM, IS SEEKING IN A PROPOSAL TO DETAIN IMMIGRANT CHILDREN INDEFINITELY. [03:30:01] THIS PLAN, ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT'S RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE WOULD SEEK TO TAKE AWAY RECREATIONAL AND LEGAL AID PROGRAMS AS WELL AS EDUCATIONAL SERVICES FOR THESE DETAINED CHILDREN PLACES THESE CHILDREN AT AN EVEN GREATER RISK. I ALSO GREW UP ON THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, AND IT SEEMS REALLY, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS COULD BE VERY DETRIMENTAL TO A COMMUNITY THAT ALREADY FACES A HIGHER RISK OF BEING ARRESTED AND DETAINED, UM, TO BUILD A, THAT'S MINUTES DETENTION FACILITY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EAST SIDE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. RUBY WALKER, FOLLOWED BY VICTORIA RETI. HELLO, MY NAME IS RUBY WALKER. UM, I LIVE AT ONE TRINITY PLACE. I GREW UP IN KYLE, TEXAS. UM, I JUST WANTED TO KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, EVERYONE. UM, THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE ALL VERY GOOD PEOPLE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, SORT OF IN RESPONSE TO SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID EARLIER THAT, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN ABUSES BY THIS COMPANY REPORTED IN THE PAST, BUT I DON'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT THAT IS, UM, IF SOMETHING HASN'T BEEN REPORTED RECENTLY THAT THAT MEANS IT ISN'T OCCURRING. UM, ABUSE HAPPENS IN SILENCE A LOT OF THE TIMES. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE OF THAT AND JUST SAY THAT, UM, YOU SHOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS FACILITY EXISTING IN SAN ANTONIO. IT'S AGAINST OUR VALUES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICTORIA RETI, FOLLOWED BY JOSHUA ANAYA. HELLO, I'M VICTORIA RETI. I RESIDE AT 9 7 0 3 EMERALD PLACE, 7 8 2 4 5. I'M HERE WITH TRINITY UNIVERSITY. WHEN YOU GO TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S WEBSITE, YOU CAN FIND THE CITY'S VALUES, ONE OF WHICH INCLUDES INTEGRITY. BUT I'M HERE TO SAY THAT VISION QUEST DOES NOT REPRESENT THE VALUES OF SAN ANTONIO. THEY DO NOT HAVE ONE OUNCE OF INTEGRITY IN THIS COMPANY, AND IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DECEIVE OUR COMMUNITY AND DECEIVE YOU. 'CAUSE MANY MEMBERS OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH HAVE COME UP HERE AND TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS, THIS DETENTION CENTER IS GOING TO BE GOOD AND A SAFER OPTION FOR THESE CHILDREN. BUT IN FACT, THIS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A SAFER OPTION. IT'S GOING TO BE GOING FROM A DANGEROUS SITUATION TO AN EVEN MORE DANGEROUS SITUATION. AND WE HAVE REASON TO SEE THAT VISIONQUEST IS NOT A TRUSTWORTHY COMPANY BECAUSE AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE ME, VISIONQUEST HAS, WAS DENIED PERMITS IN NEW MEXICO BECAUSE THEY WERE LYING TO THE, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THEIR, THEIR PAST ABUSES. SO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION TODAY, KNOW THAT VISION QUEST IS MOST LIKELY LYING TO US, LYING TO THE COMMUNITY AND LYING TO SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH ABOUT THEIR HISTORY OF ABUSE AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THESE FACILITIES. BECAUSE I WOULD, AND I WOULD LIKE, AGAIN, TO REITERATE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID BEFORE I HAVE. IN PHILADELPHIA, STAFF HAVE BEEN CAUGHT TWISTING THE ARMS OF CHILDREN, CHOKING THEM, PINNING THEM AGAINST A WALL, AND MULTIPLE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN VERBALLY ABUSED. THINK ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY ON THE EAST SIDE. WHEN PEOPLE WALK BY THIS CHURCH, THEY 30 SECONDS KNOW, BUT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE HIT AND VERBALLY ABUSED. AND FURTHERMORE KNOW THAT IF YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION TODAY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ORGANIZE OUTSIDE OF THIS CHURCH AND CAUSE A RUCKUS THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE MOST BENEFICIAL FOR THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE STANDING OUT THERE AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, DOORS. AND THAT'S A VERY UGLY PICTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOSHUA ANAYA, FOLLOWED BY RENEE WATSON. HELLO, MY NAME IS JOSHUA ANAYA AND I CURRENTLY RESIDE AT ONE TRINITY PLACE, UM, TO THE DISTINGUISHED PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS. UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS JOSHUA NAYA, AND I COME TO YOU BOTH AS A STUDENT AT TRINITY UNIVERSITY AND AS A SECOND GENERATION MEXICAN IMMIGRANT. AS I'M SURE MOST OF US KNOW, THE A LOS MUTOS TOOK PLACE THIS PAST WEEKEND. WHILE I ADORE THE CELEBRATION IN LIFE OF LIFE AND THE WAY IT BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER, I FAILED TO FEEL ANYTHING BUT SADNESS THIS YEAR. SO FAR AS WE KNOW, SEVEN MIGRANT CHILDREN HAVE DIED WHILE IN DETENTION CENTERS UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF ORGANIZATIONS LIKE ICE AND CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL. NUMEROUS INNOCENT LIVES WERE DISPLAYED ON NDAS ALL OVER THE WORLD TO CELEBRATE THEIR LIVES AND CONDEMN THE INSTITUTIONS THAT FAILED THEM. THOSE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE ON A NEO NDA. THEY SHOULD BE SELF SAFE AND HELD WITHIN THE ARMS OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. APART FROM DEATH, CHILDREN PLACE A FACE, A PLETHORA OF OTHER ABUSES AND VIOLENCE WHILE RESIDING IN DETENTION CENTERS. NOT EXCLUDING THOSE VISION QUESTS PLANS TO ERECT UNDER VISION QUEST. A HISTORY OF HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES PLACED CHILDREN AT THE HANDS OF BOAST, BOTH PHYSICAL AND VERBAL ABUSE PER PERPETRATED BY OFFICE OF REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT OFFICERS. [03:35:01] I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE THEM RECREATE THIS HISTORY IF THEIR EFFORTS AREN'T HALTED. AS RESEARCH COMPLETED ALONG THE US MEXICO BORDER HAS SHOWN AND AS CITED BY SOURCES, UM, LIKE DAILY MAIL, NEW YORK TIMES, AND C N N IMPLEMENTING FAMILY SEPARATION POLICIES, ASSOCIATES DIRECTLY WITH INCREASED RATES OF TRAUMA, GRIEF, DEPRESSION, AND ANXIETY IN THE CHILDREN TORN FROM THE ARMS OF THEIR FAMILIES. CHILDREN ARE ALSO MORE LIKELY TO GET SICK AND ARE AT HIGHER RISK OF OBTAINING INFECTIOUS DISEASES LIKE THE FLU, WHICH ARE OFTEN COMMONPLACE IN TREATABLE BY VACCINES AND MEDICINE THAT ARE NOT SUFFICIENTLY PROVIDED IN DETENTION CENTERS, CHILDREN ARE NOT LIKE ADULTS. SECONDS. THEY GET SICK MORE EASILY. AND EACH HOUR OF DELAY CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH SERIOUS COMPLICATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN CASES OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE. DELAYS IN RECOGNITION AND TREATMENT CAN LEAD TO DEATH. WHAT JUSTIFIES ANY OF THIS VISION? QUEST'S MOTIVE IN ERECTING THE CENTER REVOLVES AROUND CORPORATE GREED AND THE COMMODIFICATION OF HUMAN LIVES. WE'VE REACHED A POINT IN TIME WHERE ORGANIZATIONS WILL PRIORITIZE PROFIT ABOVE ALL ELSE AT THE EXPENSE OF VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES. VISION QUEST IS CAPITALIZING OFF OF TRAUMA AND TURNING THESE KIDS' LIVES INTO MERE OBJECTS THAT BENEFIT THEIR ECONOMIC GROWTH. THAT'S TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. RENEE WATSON, FOLLOWED BY MS. MARTHA. MARTHA, YOU LIVE AT 40 39. LEGEND. I CAN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME. GOOD AFTERNOON. RENEE WATSON. I LIVE AT 2 22 MARMAC, M A R M O K. THAT'S ONE OF THE ONLY STREETS THAT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THIS CHURCH. I'VE LIVED AT THAT COMMUNITY AND WE MOVED IN IN 1954. THIS IS A ZONING CASE, SO IF YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT THAT RED LINE AROUND THAT CHURCH, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET INFORMATION ON THE SUBMITTAL OF THIS MAP FOR ZONING BECAUSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SAYS IT DOESN'T HAVE A BUFFER ZONE. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR DENIAL. THE ATTORNEYS AND THEIR VISION QUEST TEAM STOOD HERE A LITTLE WHILE AGO AND SAID, WE'LL PUT UP A FENCE IF WE HAVE TO. WE KNEW THAT'S A REQUIREMENT GOING IN ON THE ZONING CASE AND SUCH OF A DETENTION CENTER. HE ALSO SAID THE WORD THE CHILDREN WILL BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE BUILDING. THAT RED LINE IS GONNA BE THE CHURCH, THE LINE AROUND THE CHURCH. 'CAUSE I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT THEY KNEW THAT I RECEIVED THE MINUTES AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO SAVE THE BUILDING. BUT I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THE BUILDING OR YOU'RE GONNA LOSE YOUR SOUL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT. THAT'S A LITTLE BITTY BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS CALLED THE CARVER LIBRARY. IN 1973, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET ANY OTHER THING ON THE ZONING REPLACE THE RITZ MOTEL. THE RITZ MOTEL WAS A SIMILAR TYPE OF FACILITY FOR ME. THE RITZ MOTEL STILL HAS BLOOD ON THE SIDEWALK. 'CAUSE AS MY DADDY, AS A MILITARY VETERAN MARINE CORPS, HE COMMITTED SUICIDE ON THAT CORNER. SO FOR MORE BLOOD TO TO BE IN THIS BUILDING, IT'S VERY PERSONAL TO ME AND MY NEIGHBORS. SO I'M ASKING YOU BASED ON CHARACTER, IT DOESN'T FIT ZONING ORDINANCE BASED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT DOESN'T FIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BASED ON LAND USE. THEIR EGRESS AND ING GRACE. THE STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB GOING OUT AND SEEING IF YOU GOT A HUNDRED KIDS IN THAT BUILDING, HOW EMERGENCY SERVICES GONNA GET THERE ON A SUNDAY MORNING? YOU CAN'T. THAT'S TWO MINUTES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. IN THE FUTURE USE, WE APPRECIATE YOU MS. MARTHA ON LEGEND STREET, FOLLOWED BY JOSEFA MORENO. OKAY, MY NAME IS MARTHA VAN ALLEN READER AND MY ADDRESS IS 40 39 LEGEND CREEK. AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THOSE CHILDREN. KIDNAPPED CHILDREN HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO PRECINCTS. THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY HAVE BEEN STOLEN AND THEIR PARENTS HAVE BEEN FORCED TO ABANDON THEM. THOSE CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG IN INSTITUTES. THEY DO NOT NOT BELONG HIDDEN FROM SOCIETY. DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY EAT, WHERE THEY SLEEP, WHAT THEY DO WHILE BEING LOCKED UP LIKE PRISONERS? WHAT IS THEIR CRIME? THOSE CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG IN INSTITUTIONS. THEY BELONG WITH THEIR PARENTS. WHY ARE THEY SCATTERED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES? IF WE ACCEPT [03:40:01] MONEY TO INCARCERATE THOSE CHILDREN, WE BECOME PART OF THE HORRIFIC CRIME THAT IS BEING COMMITTED AGAINST THOSE INNOCENT CHILDREN. THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD RETURN THOSE CHILDREN TO THEIR PARENTS INSTEAD OF BUILDING MORE INSTITUTES TO KEEP THEM AS PRISONERS. THE FACT IS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT MADE NO EFFORT TO KEEP PARENTAL RECORDS OF OVER FIVE 30 SECONDS THOUSAND CHILDREN FROM INFANT TO TEENAGERS. THE QUESTION IS, ARE THOSE CHILDREN COMMITTED TO BEING IN PRISON FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES? IF THIS IS TRUE, THOSE CHILDREN WILL NOT GROW UP TO BE NORMAL. SPENDING THEIR LIVES IN INSTITUTES IS EVIL AND WE CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS DIABOLICAL ACT. FOR THE TWO MINUTES FULL OF DOLLARS WE MUST PROTEST. THEY'RE EVIL. THE CHILDREN ARE SUFFERING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOSEFA MORENO, FOLLOWED BY ANNA ORTIZ. CELESTE BROWN. BUENO. UH, YES MA'AM. BUENO MORENO ANTONIO AND GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM JOSE MORENO AND I AM A SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT. SALINAS SALINAS. AND I RESIDE IN 30 35 WEST SALINAS. PERSONA, NOT, I AM A VERY SIMPLE PERSON. I DON'T HAVE A HIGH QUALITY OF WORD, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THEIR VERY TRUTH. THE CHURCH CAN, CAN BE VERY CHRISTIAN IN EVERYTHING YOU WANT, BUT THESE PEOPLE FROM VISION QUEST, BUT THEY KNEW WHO PROPOSAL THEY WERE ACCEPTING. UH, I DON'T WANT TO OFFEND THE CHURCH, BUT WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT THESE PEOPLE SHOWED THE MONEY AND IT MAKE THEIR EYES SHINE MILLIONS. MILLIONS FOR THEM. MILLIONS. ANTONIO. AND THEY COME TO, UH, MAKE DIRTY SAN ANTONIO'S NAME, 30 SECONDS. PLEASE ALLOW ME TO SPEAK SO I CAN EXPRESS YOU WHAT I FEEL. HOW ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THIS PRISON TO TAKE PLACE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO? LIKE THE SAYING THAT GOES, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE CAGE IS A GOLDEN CAGE IS A, IS A CAGE AFTER ALL. SO PLEASE USE THIS MONEY FOR THE COMMUNITY AS THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE SAID THEMSELVES. USE THEM TO HELP THEMSELVES. [03:45:05] PEOPLE FROM THE EAST ARE GOING TO FEEL OFFENDED BECAUSE THEY ARE USING MONEY AND RESOURCES THAT IS THEIRS. ANTONIO BECAUSE THE CHURCH, UH, HASN'T BEEN CAPABLE TO CHANGE THAT AREA IN SAN ANTONIO THAT HAS SO MANY PROBLEMS. 30 SECONDS IS ALL THAT I HAVE TO SAY IN SAN ANTONIO. WE DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF PLACES TO EXIST. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO EXIST. IT CANNOT . THANK YOU. CELESTE BROWN, FOLLOWED BY CASEY MILLER. I'M DOMINIC ORTIZ. UH, ADDRESS IS 200 MELROSE PLACE. I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD MY TWO MINUTES TO CELESTE BROWN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR ZONING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS CELESTE BROWN. I LIVE AT 2 39 CENTER STREET, 7 8 2 0 2. AGAIN, I AM ONE OF THE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT SEEMS TO BE HERE TODAY THAT ACTUALLY LIVES ON THE EAST SIDE. UM, I AM HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL THOUGH I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKSTORY. I HAVE WORKED TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT TWO AND THE EAST SIDE THROUGH, UH, MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, I NOW WORK IN EDUCATION AND SERVE ON THE BOARD OF MOVE TEXAS. BUT I'M HERE SPEAKING SOLELY AS MYSELF. AND THE REASON THAT I NEEDED FOUR MINUTES IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T PLAN TO SPEAK TODAY. HOWEVER, , I FEEL AS THOUGH I HAVE A LOT TO SAY. AND I'LL FIRST START BY SAYING THAT I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND THOUGH I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOUR GOAL IS NOT TO GET INTO MORAL ISSUES OR TO GET INTO A SPACE WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING IF THINGS ARE ETHICAL, BUT RATHER IF IT JUST WORKS FOR LAND AND URBAN PLANNING AND AND ECONOMICAL DEVELOPMENT. I THINK ONE AREA WHERE, UM, AS PRACTITIONERS OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION WE CAN SOMETIMES FALL SHORT IS BY FAILING TO FOCUS ON QUALITATIVE DATA BEING AS IMPORTANT AS QUANTITATIVE. AND I WILL SAY PAINTING A PICTURE OF THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT CHURCHES HAVE BEEN BEACONS OF LIGHT FOR OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE OVER A HUNDRED ON THE EAST SIDE ALONE. AND WITH THESE CHURCHES SERVING AS A BEACON OF LIGHT, IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STEP IN AND PROVIDE SERVICES WHERE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS FALL SHORT. THIS UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. AND SO IF I DIDN'T SAY I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS, AND REASON BEING IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS FOUGHT SO HARD TO BE VIEWED AS SOMETHING LESS THAN A VIOLENT OR QUOTE UNQUOTE BAD AREA OF TOWN. AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN FIGHTING LIKE HELL, PARDON MY LANGUAGE, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN FIGHTING LIKE HELL TO GO BACKWARDS. HISTORY HAS ITS EYES ON US. HISTORY HAS ITS EYES ON YOU AS COMMISSIONERS. AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THAT WE CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS DO BUSINESS WITH AN ORGANIZATION WITH A DARK HISTORY OF FAILING THE PEOPLE THAT IT CLAIMS THAT IT'S GOING TO SERVE. AND I DO NOT FOR ONE SECOND WANT TO DISRESPECT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AND THE WORK THAT THEY DO WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVE DONE FOR OVER 139 YEARS. HOWEVER, WE CANNOT SIT HERE AND SAY, SO WHAT VISION QUEST WAS BAD A FEW YEARS AGO? WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CITIES AND STATES THAT ARE STILL PAYING THE PRICE AND ARE STILL REELING FROM THE BLOOD THAT IS ON THEIR HANDS THAT CANNOT BE SAN ANTONIO. WE CLAIM TO BE A CITY OF COMPASSION AND WE HAVE TO ACT LIKE IT. AND WE CAN'T BE A CITY OF COMPASSION IF WE ARE CONTINUALLY PLAYING A PART IN A BROKEN SYSTEM THAT IS IMPRISONING YOUNG BROWN AND BLACK CHILDREN. AND THOUGH THESE STUDENTS HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG AND THAT IT MAY SEEM AS THOUGH WE'RE JUST GIVING 'EM A PLACE TO LAY THEIR HEADS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU ARE WRAPPING A FENCE AROUND THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS ON ECOMMERCE, WHICH I DRIVE BY EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND IN THE NAME OF SAYING THAT YOU ARE ARE HELPING, THAT'S JUST NOT HOW THIS WORKS. BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT EVERYONE THAT WORKS WITHIN THE CITY CLAIMS TO SAY THAT THEY WANT THE DISTRICT TWO IN THE EAST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO TO HAVE, WE OPENED UP A STARBUCKS LAST YEAR, RIGHT? IT'S THE FIRST STARBUCKS ON THE EAST SIDE. UM, 93% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE WERE HIRED FROM THE EAST SIDE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE OPENING UP A NEW H E B WAREHOUSE, 240 JOBS. WHY WOULD WE WANT PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO 41 NEW JOBS WITH A COMPANY KNOWN FOR TREATING ITS EMPLOYEES POORLY? THAT'S JUST NOT HOW IT SHOULD OPERATE. AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT I'M SPEAKING TO THE MORAL AND ETHICAL REASONS BEHIND WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE NO HERE. UM, BUT IT'S ON [03:50:01] YOU TO DO MORE THAN JUST SAY, I JUST DID MY JOB. BECAUSE AGAIN, I LEAVE YOU WITH THE FACT THAT HISTORY HAS THRIVE ON YOU. 30 SECONDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CASEY MILLER, FOLLOWED BY LAURA RIOS RAMIREZ. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I'M CASEY MILLER. I RESIDE AT 9 1 4 NORTH PINE STREET, UM, APARTMENT TWO IN DISTRICT TWO. UM, ALL OF THE SPEAKERS ADVOCATING AGAINST THIS WHO CAME BEFORE ME SAID EVERYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID. SO I'LL BE BRIEF AS A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO OF DISTRICT TWO AND SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED IN A PRISON THAT DETAINS MIGRANT CHILDREN. I INVITE US AS A CITY TO REMEMBER THAT IF WE ALLOW VISION QUEST INTO OUR CITY, WE ARE CONDONING THE TRAUMATIZATION OF INNOCENT CHILDREN AS US CITIZENS. WE DON'T, WE DON'T ALL HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OF HOW OUR GOVERNMENT TREATS AND TRAUMATIZES CHILDREN. BUT AS SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS, WE HAVE A DUTY TO NOT INFLICT TRAUMA ON INNOCENT BOYS. IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITY TO SUPPORT THESE CHILDREN IN HEALING THE TRAUMA THAT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS INFLICTED ON THEM NOT TO CAUSE MORE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. LAURA RIOS RAMIREZ, FOLLOWED BY ESMERALDA GUERRA RAMIREZ. MY NAME IS LAURA RAMIREZ. I AM, UH, I'M EMPLOYED AT 8 0 1 NORTH OLIVE STREET ON THE EAST SIDE WITH THE MARTINEZ STREET WOMEN'S CENTER. AND, UH, I GREET TO YOU, UH, TODAY, I GREET YOU TODAY IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ESNA PEOPLE WHO ARE THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE OF THIS TERRITORY THAT WE OCCUPY CALLED SOMI. AND ONE OF THE NARRATIVES THAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD TODAY IS THE NARRATIVE OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ON THIS LAND BECAUSE WE ARE NEVER, UM, CONSULTED WHEN THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING ON OUR TERRITORIES. UM, SO AS INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, WE BEING THE LAST ONES THAT WE ARE CONSULTED, UM, OUR RELATIVES THAT ARE COMING OVER THE BORDER, OUR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, THIS IS NOT HOW WE WOULD GREET OUR RELATIVES. WE WOULD NOT GREET THEM BY PUTTING WALLS AROUND THEM, UM, ESPECIALLY AT THE EXPENSE OF THINGS. UM, AT THE NAME OF THIS COMPANY ITSELF DISGUSTS ME THAT IT'S CALLED VISION QUEST BECAUSE A VISION QUEST IS NORMALLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE DO AS INDIGENOUS PEOPLE TO SEEK HIGHER ELEVATION AND TRANSCENDENCE FOR OUR EXISTENCE. AND THAT IS NOT WHAT VISION QUEST DOES. SO APPROPRIATING A NAME TO PERPETUATE VIOLENCE AND TRAUMA FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ON THIS CONTINENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING IN SAN ANTONIO INANA. IF WE HAVE YANA AND ON HEMISPHERE ACKNOWLEDGING THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THIS LAND, THEN WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING THAT ON THIS LAND NO MORE. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHEN WE WERE FORCED THE SAME NARRATIVE TO THINK THAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS WERE GONNA GIVE US AN EDUCATION, WERE GONNA GIVE US FOOD, WERE GONNA GIVE US A SECURE PLACE TO LIVE WHEN WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THAT JUST PERPETUATED VIOLENCE AND TRAUMA THAT WE ARE STILL 30 SECONDS HEALING FROM TO THIS DAY. AND THIS IS, UM, CONTRIBUTED TO ACES, WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW AS CONTRIBUTORS TO EDUCATION. AND I DEAL WITH THAT AT THE MARTINEZ STREET WOMEN'S CENTER, WORKING WITH, UH, WOMEN AND GIRLS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES THAT HAVE TRAUMATIZED THEM. AND WE WORK TO HEAL THAT IN CIRCLES AND IN TRANSFORMATIVE HEALING WORK AT OUR ORGANIZATION ON THE EAST SIDE. AND THIS WOULD GO COMPLETELY AGAINST THE MISSION OF OUR ORGANIZATION, OF THE WORK THAT SO MANY OF US HERE HAVE DONE AS INDIGENOUS AND BLACK PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND IT WOULD FURTHER DIVIDE US INSTEAD OF UNITE US. AND WE CANNOT HAVE THAT MINUTES. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ESMERALDA GUERRA, FOLLOWED BY TOMMY CALVERT. ESMERALDA GUERRA, COMMISSIONER CALVER, COMMISSIONER CALVERT. GOOD EVENING. I'M BEAR COUNTY COMMISSIONER TOMMY CALVERT REPRESENTING PRECINCT FOUR. AND I'M COMING TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL OF THE ZONING REQUESTS AND A STAND AGAINST CHILD ABUSE. YESTERDAY, LAST NIGHT, THE UNIVERSAL CITY ZONING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY DENIED VISION QUEST REQUESTS THERE. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ORGANIZATION CANNOT GET FINANCING FROM JP MORGAN CHASE CANNOT GET FINANCING FROM WELLS FARGO BANK CANNOT GET FINANCING FROM BANK OF AMERICA BECAUSE [03:55:01] EVEN THE BANKS ARE RECOGNIZING THE LIABILITY FOR THESE KINDS OF BUSINESSES IS BECOMING TOO MUCH. AND THE LONG LINE OF FORGIVE THEM, FATHER, THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. THE CHURCH MUST RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE BLOGS OF CHILDREN, WHICH I PROVIDED FOR EACH OF YOU COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE SUFFERED IN VISION QUESTS, DETENTION CAMPS FROM THE MOUTHS OF BABES. THE CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH VISION QUEST WRITE AND I QUOTE, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN THERE AND LIVED THERE, WE WERE DISTRESSED TO LEARN THAT VISION RES WILL BE RENEWING A CONTRACT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HOUSE UNDOCUMENTED YOUTH. MANY OF US HAD EXPERIENCES IN VISION QUEST AND KNOW ALL TOO WELL WHAT TYPE OF CHALLENGES THAT YOUTH CAN FACE THERE. MANY OF US EXPERIENCED CHALLENGES WITH OUR EDUCATION, NOT HAVING ANY CLASSES DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, OR EVEN TEXTBOOKS. WE ALSO FELT THAT THEY WERE NOT PROVIDED WITH THE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT WE DESERVED AND NEEDED. RATHER, THE FACILITY PRIORITIZED CONTROL AND OBEDIENCE. WE AND OUR PEERS HAVE EXPERIENCED HARSH TREATMENT LIKE RESTRAINTS, BROKEN RIBS, AND BEING BURNT SECONDS BY A HAIR, IRON SECONDS THAT HAS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED OUR LIVES. INSTEAD OF BEING SENT TO A PLACE THAT WOULD HAVE TO REHABILITATE US AND PROVIDE US SUPPORT, WE HAVE ENDURED MORE DAMAGE INSIDE THIS FACILITY THAN BEFORE WE ENTERED. WE HAVE EXPERIENCED STAFF MEMBERS WHO PUT THEIR HANDS ON US AND OTHER YOUTH AND WOULDN'T ALLOW US TO SHARE WHAT HAPPENED. THESE INCIDENTS REFLECT VISION QUEST'S, HISTORY OF CAUSING HARM. WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT FACILITIES LIKE VISION QUEST CAN PROVIDE THE SUPPORT YOUNG PEOPLE NEED OR THAT THESE FACILITIES ARE COMMITTED TO HELPING YOUTH. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THE WORDS OF THE CHILDREN HAVE SPOKEN STRONG ENOUGH. THANK YOU. BENITO RA FOLLOWED BY JESSICA AZUA GU UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BENITO AL. UH, I LIVE AT 10 19 SUTTER'S RIM. I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE EAST SIDE, UH, BUT I AM A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, I'D LIKE TO START OFF, UH, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY BEEN HERE WAY FURTHER THAN YOU'D LIKE TO BE, BE, UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO JUST REHASH THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID. I AM A, A, UM, NAVY VETERAN MYSELF, RETIRED NAVY VETERAN ENLISTED. I WILL ADD, UH, BECAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES THE OFFICER PERSPECTIVE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE GROUNDS. UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY, UH, UH, LIKE WE SAY IN THE MILITARY DO THE WORK. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S KNOWN. I KNOW YOUR ZONING BOARD INTENT IS NOT TO LISTEN TO MORALITY AND TO LISTEN TO THINGS OF THIS NATURE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, YOU WILL BE ON ONE SIDE OF HISTORY AND I REQUEST AND I ASK YOU TO PLEASE BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY. THIS WILL COME BACK FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND IT WILL BITE US IN THE BUTT. IT WILL. AND YOU KNOW THIS, THERE IS A BIBLE STORY, GOSPEL OF MATTHEW 26, 15, 30 PIECES OF GOLD OR RIGHT SILVER, 30 PIECES OF SILVER. DON'T FORGET THAT THE PATH TO HELL IS LAID IN GOOD INTENTIONS. HELL IS FULL OF GOOD MEANING. BUT HEAVEN IS FULL OF GOOD WORKS. NO ONE IS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH ACTUALLY DOES GOOD WORKS. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SAY 140 TURKEYS ARE GONNA BE GIVEN AND THIS AND THAT, THIS INSTANT IS NOT ONE OF THE GOOD WORKS. DON'T BELIEVE ME. BELIEVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LAWYERS. BELIEVE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH THIS VISION QUEST EVERY DAY BELIEVE THE 30 SECONDS PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. I KNOW I'M JUST SAYING THINGS, UH, UH, RHETORIC. BUT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WORK WITH THIS INDIVIDUALS. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH WHAT IS LEFT OVER FROM WHAT VISION QUEST DOES. THERE'S A GENTLEMAN HERE TAKING NOTES. HE'S GONNA RE HE'S GONNA SAY EVERYTHING PERFECT AND SAY EVERYTHING AGAINST WHAT WE ARE, WHAT EVERYONE HAS SAID. THAT'S HIS JOB. AND GETS PAID VERY, VERY WELL TO DO. AND SOME OF YOU ARE LAWYERS YOURSELVES. YOU KNOW THAT THIS GUY, THAT'S HIS ONE AND ONLY JOB. THANK YOU GUYS. THAT'S TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. JESSICA AZUA, FOLLOWED BY HERB NANCE, IRV VANCE, UH, JESSICA UA, UH, 11 700 WALL STREET. UM, UM, I FIRST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND FOR YOUR ATTENTION THROUGH THIS TWO, ALMOST THREE HOURS ACTUALLY MORE. 'CAUSE WE STARTED AT ONE. UM, I, I ACTUALLY DIDN'T PREPARE ANYTHING BECAUSE I WAS NOT PLANNING ON SAYING ANYTHING, BUT I JUST FELT I HAD TO. UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THESE CHILDREN, UM, FROM BOTH SIDES THAT ARE GONNA BE PUT IN THESE DETENTION CENTERS. [04:00:01] AND I JUST FELT I NEEDED TO COME INTO THIS MICROPHONE AND SAY THAT I AM ONE OF THOSE CHILDREN. I CAME HERE WHEN I WAS 14 YEARS OLD AND I WAS AN UNACCOMPANIED MINOR. UM, I HAD A FAMILY HERE WAITING FOR ME. SO IT, I I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW HARD AND HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR ME TO STAND RIGHT HERE. AND I'M STARTING TO GET A LITTLE EMOTIONAL, BUT THOSE CHILDREN, I COULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN ONE OF THOSE ATTENTION CENTERS WHEN I CAME HERE. SO THIS IS VERY HARD. UM, NOT GONNA SAY ANY, ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO HEAR THAT THERE'S PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THIS ISSUE AND THAT CARE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. AND WE'RE ASKING YOU, EACH ONE OF YOU TO PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THE REZONING OF THIS DETENTION CENTER, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HERB NANCE, FOLLOWED BY JOHNNY . YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, MY NAME IS HERB NANCE. UH, I AM BORN AND RAISED IN DISTRICT 2/29/42 LAKELAND. UH, I AM THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SAN ANTONIO. AND I ALSO HAD NOT PLANNED TO SPEAK TODAY, UH, BUT I DID HEAR REVEREND JIMERSON, UH, REFERENCE OUR ORGANIZATION. SO I DECIDED TO, UH, THE UNITED COMMUNITIES OF SAN ANTONIO, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE, THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF CHRISTIANS AND JEWS IS A HUMAN RELATIONS ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO CREATING SAFE AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES WHILE ADVOCATING FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE BY PROMOTING UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECT AMONG ALL PEOPLE THROUGH AWARENESS, EDUCATION, AND DIALOGUE. UH, WE'VE DONE THAT FOR 65 YEARS. UM, OF COURSE WE LEARNED OF THE PERSPECTIVE PLAN, WHICH IS WHY I WAS HERE TODAY. AND I ONLY THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO OBSERVE AND HOPEFULLY JUST BE A RESOURCE AND TRY TO HELP SOME OF THE DIVISIVENESS THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO LIGHT BECAUSE OF THIS. UM, OUR OBJECTIVES, UH, WE HAVE BEEN PERFORMING REACH OUTS TO MANY OF THE ENTITIES THAT ARE IN HERE. UM, WE HAVE ALSO BEEN TRYING TO HAVE MEETINGS WITH LOCAL COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE IDENTIFIED AS SELF IMPACTED BY THIS. UM, WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AS MANY AS WE WOULD LIKE. UM, I WANT TO BE CLEAR, UM, WE ARE NOT FOR OR AGAINST, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A VERY SMART THING TO SAY RIGHT NOW. UM, WHAT WE ARE ABOUT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN BRIDGE THE GAPS THAT ARE VERY MUCH PRESENT IN THIS VERY DIVISIVE ISSUE. UM, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, UM, AS CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO, I THINK WE'RE ALL HERE TO DO WHAT WE INDIVIDUALLY BELIEVE IS BEST FOR SAN ANTONIO. UM, AND 30 SECONDS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, YOU GUYS ARE IN A VERY TOUGH SITUATION. UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT WHATEVER THE DECISION IS, UM, THERE WILL BE LONG LASTING IMPACTS, WHETHER IT IS A VOTE FOR YES OR NO. SO I DO HOPE THE COMMUNITY CAN COME TOGETHER IN DIALOGUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS MR. JOHNNY. AND JOHNNY, YOU WILL HAVE TO TELL US WHAT YOUR LAST NAME IS, PLEASE. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY BAD WRITING. IT IS JOHNNY THOMAS. THOMAS. YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. UM, I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF, UH, THE EAST SIDE. I'VE RUN A BUSINESS ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, THE ST. PAUL SQUARE AREA SINCE THE 1970S. I'VE ALSO BEEN A WORSHIPER. I SWEAR I WORSHIP THE WHOLE SINCE THE 1970S. AND SO, UH, I APPRECIATE HAVING A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING THIS EVENING. I'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED THAT PART OF SAN ANTONIO. THAT COMMUNITY IS THE ONE I RELATE TO BEST, AND I ONLY WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM RUNNING MY BUSINESS AND WORSHIPING. AND I THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A CHANCE TO COME HERE AND SPEAK THIS EVENING ON THIS. UM, IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO CAUSE ANY DIFFICULTY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND, UH, IT'S NOT OUR CHOICE TO CAUSE ANY CONSTERNATION. WE WENT OUT AND BUILT A, UH, TWO FOR $2 MILLION. WE WENT OUT AND RAISED ON OUR OWN. WE DIDN'T ASK MONEY FROM THE CITY, THE COUNTY, ANYBODY. WE WENT OUT WITH INDIVIDUALS IN INDIVIDUALS WHO PUT IN THE MONEY TO BUY IT. THEN WE WENT OUT AND BOUGHT, GOT ANOTHER MILLION DOLLAR LOAN, UH, BECAUSE WE WANTED A SECOND STORY. WANT, WE WANTED A WORLD CLASS, UH, FACILITY IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO WE WENT OUT AND DID THAT. WE'VE NEVER ASKED FOR ANY MONEY. WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED. I, WE PROBABLY ASKED, BUT WE, WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T [04:05:01] RECEIVE IT. UH, AND AT THIS POINT, WE, FROM DAY ONE, WE'VE HAD OFFERS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE BUILDING. SOME OF US WANTED A COMMUNITY CENTER, A WELLNESS PROGRAM TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. 30 SECONDS. SOME OF US WANTED A SCHOOL. UH, THEN WE GOT AN OP OPPORTUNITY TO RUN A SHELTER. NOW, WHEN WE GOT AN OFFERS TO RUN A SHELTER, THERE ARE SIX OF THE SAME SHELTERS IN SAN ANTONIO. THERE'S SIX OF THEM. AND THAT'S NOT FROM ME, THAT'S FROM THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWS. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, ENGAGE IN. IT'S NOTHING LIKE A DETENTION CENTER. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE BEING TOLD. THAT'S NOTHING WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SEE IN THE OTHER FACILITIES. AND WE JUST SIMPLY ASKED TO BE TREATED LIKE ANYBODY ELSE TRYING TO RUN THIS FACILITY. WE'RE NOT CONNECTED WITH ICE. UH, WE'RE NOT RUNNING A DETENTION CENTER. TWO MINUTES, WE, THAT'S TWO MINUTES. ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THOSE FACTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS ALL MA MADAM CHAIR. ALL RIGHT. UM, UH, MAY HAVE THE APPLICANT IF YOU'D LIKE TIME TO RESPOND. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. UM, I KNOW IT'S A DIFFICULT POSITION, POSITION THERE. WERE, WE'RE ALL IN. I GET IT. YOU KNOW, I, I PUT ON A SUIT AND A TIE AND I LOOK LIKE I DON'T CARE BECAUSE I'M JUST A LAWYER. BUT I'M A PERSON TOO, AND I'M LISTENING TO EVERYBODY THAT'S TALKING. I GET IT. MY, MY GRANDPARENTS WERE BOTH FROM MEXICO. I GET IT. IT'S A TOUGH POSITION. BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT THESE PEOPLE AT VISION QUEST ARE TRYING TO DO GOOD. THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH. AND AT FIRST IT'S STRANGE BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE DO AT ZONING COMMISSION. WHEN DO WE, A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPER COME UP HERE AND YOU SAY, WHAT VIOLATIONS DOES THAT? MULTI-FAMILY, WHAT EMBRY HAS, THEY HAVE HAD ANY SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THEIR PAST WHEN THEY'RE COMING UP TO DO A MULTI-FAMILY REZONING. THE DEVELOPER COMES IN AND TRIES TO DO A 300 ACRE DEVELOPMENT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY. DO WE ASK IF THEY HAD ANY VIOLATIONS IN THE PAST? IF YOU GOOGLE FOR IT, YOU'RE GONNA FIND IT. I GET IT. IF YOU GOOGLE, YOU LOOK FOR THE BAD IN SOME OF THESE GOOD COMPANIES, YOU'LL FIND IT. HAS ANYBODY GOOGLED THE GOOD THAT THEY'VE DONE? BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE GOOD AND THEY'VE HELPED KIDS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO HELP 'EM RIGHT NOW. AND I'D LIKE THEM TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING SAID ABOUT THEM. SO IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE THEM. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN SAID, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S ONLY FAIR TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. UH, MY NAME IS HAROLD ARANT. I'M WITH VISIONQUEST. UM, I'M PROUD AND BLESSED TO HAVE SERVED 39 YEARS WITH VISIONQUEST SERVING CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. UH, OVERSEE OUR OPERATIONS HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY. I THINK ONE IMPORTANT PART THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT I HAVE HAD A LONGSTANDING CONTRACT HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY. I SERVED CHILDREN AND FAMILIES NOW IN THESE COMMUNITIES AND HAVE, FOR SEVEN YEARS. I SERVED 40 TO 50 KIDS ON A DAILY BASIS IN THESE COMMUNITIES. WE DO IN-HOME SERVICE, WE PROVIDE THERAPEUTIC FAMILY SERVICES, A MODEL CALLED FUNCTIONAL FAMILY THERAPY, WHICH IS AN EVIDENCE-BASED MODEL TO DEAL WITH TRAUMA AND THE THINGS THAT THESE CHILDREN GO THROUGH. SO I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THOSE THINGS AND VERY AWARE OF THAT. I HAVE, I'VE HAD A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE FOR SEVEN YEARS IN MY CONTRACT HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY ALSO, UM, WHERE WE STAND HERE. SO I'D BE MORE THAN GLAD TO, UH, OFFER PEOPLE YOU COULD CALL TO VERIFY THAT RIGHT THERE AT PROBATION. UM, EVEN THE JUDGES, WE DEAL WITH ALL THE SPECIALTY COURTS HERE IN, IN BEXAR COUNTY AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT, UM, WE DO HERE. I'M AT 1800 NORTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10. THAT'S WHERE MY OFFICE IS AT. I HAVE THERAPISTS, CASE MANAGERS AND UH, UH, BACKERS THAT WE CALL THAT WE GO IN THE STREETS AND IN THE HOMES, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WE WORK WITH THESE FAMILIES IN THEIR HOMES TO KEEP KIDS AND FAMILIES INTACT. THAT IS OUR MISSION. AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY FOR SEVEN YEARS, UH, WITH, LIKE I SAID, WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE. UM, SO IT IS OUR MISSION. WE'RE WE'RE NOT ABOUT DETAINING KIDS. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANNA DO. WE DO WANT THESE CHILDREN TO HAVE FAMILIES. WE'RE WORKING HERE TO DO THAT NOW. UM, I WORK IN EAST SIDE. I HAVE FAMILIES IN EAST SIDE. I WORK WITH, I HAVE FAMILIES ON THE NORTH SIDE, SOUTH, THE ENTIRE COUNTY WE WORK WITH. SO WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THOSE AREAS. WITH THOSE AREAS AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 'CAUSE WE ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORKING WITH THOSE FAMILIES AND WITH THOSE CHILDREN. JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT CLEAR. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME JUST A COUPLE OF MORE POINTS THAT MAYBE IT'S, IT'S TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD FOR THIS, BUT I, I'M STILL LOOKING AT THE ZONING. I'M STILL LOOKING AT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. LOOKING AT THE INTENSITY OF THE USE FOR A BUILDING THAT EXISTS. UM, I THINK A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT. I TALKED ABOUT THE KIDS BEING CONTAINED. I BELIEVE I WAS SAYING THE USE IS BEING CONTAINED. THE USE WHERE THEY'RE LIVING IS BEING CONTAINED IN ONE BUILDING INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE FACILITIES. UM, THE PROPERTY IS BEING DOWN, ZONED STAFF RECOMMENDED DOWN. UH, A DOWN ZONING WAS AN APPROPRIATE, UH, REASON TO RECOMMEND [04:10:01] APPROVAL FOR HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS THREE WEEKS AGO. WE'RE ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WE'RE ASKING FOR A C TWO USE. FEEL LIKE THE POLITICAL ISSUES THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY TIED UP IN THIS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. AS YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING BODY CITY COUNCIL GETS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TOO. THIS ISN'T THE END OF THE LINE, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU AT THIS POINT TO LOOK, LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THE USER IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT. THEY CAN ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IF THEY REALLY NEED TO, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT. WE DON'T ASK IT ON ANY OTHER CASE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE LAND USE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE. THE UNDERLYING LAND USE IS MIXED USE. IT'S A E THREE NOW ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS HOUSING, DINING CLASSROOMS ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. WHAT, THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, TOSEN. WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, YOUR INPUTS. UM, LET ME START OFF BY SAYING THAT AS ZONING COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT TWO, UM, I WILL STAY WITHIN THE ZONING AND IMPACT, UH, UH, RESTRICTIONS. UM, ANY RELIGIOUS CONTEXT OR PR THAT HAS BEEN OUT THERE DOES NOT APPLY HERE, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH MY VOTE. SO, UH, THANK YOU ALL. UM, I'M GOING TO, UM, GATHER INPUTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA LOOK, UM, I DON'T WANNA DO A BREAK YET. OKAY? OKAY. , EXCUSE US. ALL RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. UH, QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 'CAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO THE CURRENT ZONING TODAY. SO WE WENT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, DISTRICT THREE, WHICH IS FAIRLY INTENSE. UM, DID WE CONSIDER WHEN THAT ZONING TOOK PLACE, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT BEHIND THAT? SO THE, A E DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE IN 2008. IT WAS, UM, A, UH, LARGE PROCESS BECAUSE THE, THE, A E DISTRICT DID NOT EXIST BACK THEN. AND SO, UM, THERE WAS A PROCESS TO CREATE THE DISTRICT AND, UH, REVIEW THE TYPES OF USES. UH, THE, A E DISTRICT WAS CREATED, UM, OUT OF THE TWO INITIATIVES THAT HAPPENED, THE CREATION OF THE ALAMO DOME, UH, AND ITS CONNECTION TO, UH, WHAT WAS KNOWN AS THE HEMISPHERE. UM, I THINK THAT WAS THE, THE OLD CONVENTION CENTER BEAR, THE BEAIRD COUNTY CONVENTION CENTER, WHICH IS NOW THE AT AND T CENTER. SO THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO CREATE THIS PATHWAY OF ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT USES, UH, THAT LINK PEOPLE FROM ONE, UH, SPORTS VENUE FACILITY TO ANOTHER SPORTS VENUE FACILITY. UM, AND THERE ARE A MIXTURE OF USES THAT ARE A ALLOWED FROM RESIDENTIAL TO NON-RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS SOME INDUSTRIAL USES BECAUSE IT DID RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL POCKETS WITHIN, I MEAN, INDUSTRIAL POCKETS WITHIN THIS, UM, STRETCH OF COMMERCE. UH, SO THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT. UH, AND AGAIN, THE, THE PREMISE WAS TO CREATE THIS MIXTURE OF, OF USES THAT WOULD FACILITATE THE, UM, TRAVELING FROM ONE VENUE TO ANOTHER AS WELL AS STILL PROTECTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, AS APPROPRIATE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. COMMISSIONER ROMERO. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. UM, A GENTLEMAN FROM VISION QUEST, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME, BUT I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. TELL US YOUR NAME AGAIN. I'M SORRY. HAROLD ARAN. SO, UH, CAN, CAN WE JUST GO BACK OVER WHAT YOU SAID A LITTLE BIT? UM, SO TELL, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE FACILITIES YOU RUN IN BEXAR COUNTY? IT'S, IT'S IN-HOME SERVICE, MA'AM. IT'S, IT'S A CONTRACT WE HAVE AT BEXAR COUNTY. WE'VE HAD FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS NOW. UM, IT'S TO PROVIDE IN-HOME SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITIES, IN THE FAMILIES AT HOME. SO IT'S REALLY THE, THE ISSUE IS TRYING TO KEEP THE FAMILIES INTACT SO THE KIDS AREN'T REMOVED FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT MIGHT BE. WHETHER THAT BE FOR C P S REASONS OR, UH, COURT REASONS, UM, WHETHER THAT'S TRUANCY OR, UM, OTHER ISSUES THAT MAY BE HAPPENING IN THE HOME. TRAUMATIZED, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO [04:15:01] WE HAVE THERAPISTS THAT GO IN THE HOME, WORK WITH THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN THE HOME. UM, IT'S A, IT'S A ABOUT A FOUR MONTH PROCESS FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S AN EVIDENCE BASED MODEL. AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS WE HAVE CASE MANAGERS THAT ALSO FOLLOW THROUGH DEALING WITH SCHOOLS, HELPING SUPPORT THE CHILDREN, HELPING SUPPORT THE FAMILIES, HELPING FAMILIES THAT MAY NEED HELP FINDING WORK, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. SO WE DO THAT. WE ALSO SUPPORT THE COURT BY GOING INTO COURT AND, UH, REPRESENTING KIDS AND BEING AN ADVOCATE FOR THE KIDS TO SHARE THE SUCCESSES THAT THEY'RE HAVING IN THE COMMUNITY. SO TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THAT WITHOUT BEING EITHER TAKEN AWAY OR INCARCERATED. OKAY. SO I, I GET THAT, BUT VISION QUEST DOESN'T, UM, RUN FACILITIES LIKE THIS IN BEXAR COUNTY OR WHERE'S THE NEAREST FACILITY LIKE THIS THAT YOU WOULD RUN? ARE THERE ANY IN TEXAS OR ARIZONA? YEAH, CLOSEST ONE HERE WOULD BE TUCSON, ARIZONA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WOULD YOU BE THE PERSON THAT'S WORKING ON THIS ONE OR WAS THIS, WOULD THIS BE ALL NEW PEOPLE COMING IN FROM OUTSIDE OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK? NO, MA'AM. I WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THEN I, I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, I, I, I GUESS I, I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I, I KEEP GOING BACK TO THE CASE FROM LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, GOT A C THREE AND UM, C THREE SS FOR THE SAME HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS. UH, IT WAS ALSO VERY CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. IT WAS EVEN BIGGER. UM, IN THE, IN THE DESCRIPTION OF, OF, UM, EXAMPLES OF C THREE, UH, THE LANGUAGE REFERENCED, UM, BUSINESSES THAT SERVE THE COMMUNITY, UH, REPAIR SHOPS, WHOLESALE BUSINESS, LIMITED RESALE RETAIL. SO IT WAS, IT WAS POSITIVE AND, AND YOU SUPPORTED THAT. YOU, YOU RECOMMENDED THAT CHANGE. AND YET IT WAS, IT WAS CLOSER TO SINGLE FAMILY THAN THIS. UM, THIS IS GOING TO A C TWO CD, BUT FOR THE SAME USE, UH, THE EXAMPLES ARE, ARE MUCH MORE NEGATIVE THINGS. YOU KNOW, C TWO CAN BRING IN A LIQUOR STORE, PET CEMETERY, UM, AUTO LUBE PAWN SHOP. SO, UM, AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE TWO CASES. OKAY. SO THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, PREVIOUS CASE THAT Y'ALL CONSIDERED IS ACTUALLY NEAR A FREEWAY. IT'S BUFFERED, UH, BY A FULL STREET. THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET. SO THE BUFF THERE, THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER OF A FULL STREET. IT'S ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S ADJACENT TO MULTI-FAMILY. UH, SO WE LOOKED AT IT AS THAT AREA IS APPROPRIATE FOR A MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL ZONING AND COMMERCIAL USE, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION. THIS, THIS LOCATION IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT, UM, TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WITH A SMALL BUFFER OF AN ALLEY. UM, AND SO THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID THE LAST ONE, IT WAS NEAR A HIGHWAY AND IT WAS ACROSS THE STREET FROM SINGLE FAMILY. IT WAS NOT ACROSS THE HIGHWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY, IT WAS ACROSS A SMALLER STREET FROM SINGLE FAMILY. RIGHT. IT'S BUFFERED BY A FULL STREET BEFORE YOU, THE PROPERTY DOESN'T ABUT OR, UM, IS NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. COMMISSIONER SIPES, HERE'S A QUESTION, A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, ACTUALLY I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO PHRASE THEM. UM, THE FORMER CASE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THAT WAS LISTED AS A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS AS WELL? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. I GUESS IN, SO THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION THEN. OKAY. HOLD ON. I'M SORRY. OKAY. AND THEN I, I HAVE A POINT. I KNOW I DO. UM, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THE AE DESIGNATION WAS CREATED, WAS THE INTENT, I KNOW YOU SPOKE ABOUT TO KIND OF PROVIDE A CONNECTOR TO AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WAS ONE OF THE INTENTS TO, I GUESS, ALLOW, I DON'T KNOW, AN, AN AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR INCREASE IN BUSINESS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE ACTIVITY ALONG THE STREET, UM, WHERE YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SPEND MONEY, THEREBY INCREASING ECONOMIC ACTIVITY IN THE, IN THE AREA. WAS THAT PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT? FOR THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT? YES. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. [04:20:01] AND THEN THIS IS A QUESTION I GUESS, FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT, SORRY. MM-HMM. , UM, THERE HAS BEEN, UM, OKAY. THE RESIDENTS OF THIS FACILITY ARE, UH, ARE THEY FREE TO SPEND MONEY THAT THEY MAY HAVE IN NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES? ARE THEY FREE TO, TO, UM, I GUESS, UM, TO ACTUALLY LEAVE THE FACILITY? OR IS THE, IS THE IDEA THAT THEY ARE WITHIN THE FACILITY AT ALL TIMES? SO YOU HAVE TO THINK OF IT MORE LIKE A SCHOOL. THEY ARE NOT, THEY WOULDN'T BE FREE TO LEAVE THE FACILITY ANYMORE THAN A CHILD WOULD BE FREE TO LEAVE A CAMPUS. THE DOORS AREN'T LOCKED DURING THE DAY, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING AROUND WHO CAN SEE THEM IF THEY'RE, THEY WERE TO LEAVE. BUT THE MOTIVATION FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ARE THERE IS TO STAY, TO FIND A PLACE TO LIVE. UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT VISION QUEST AT POINTS TAKES THEM, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TRIPS AND THINGS, IS THAT PART OF GO TO THE MOVIE THEATER RECREATION. SO THEY, THEY TAKE 'EM ON, ON, ON SORT OF FIELD TRIPS TO TAKE 'EM PLACES. SO THEY'RE NOT FREE TO WANDER, TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY THAT WAY. BUT THEY ARE TAKEN PLACES WHILE THEY WERE THERE. AGAIN, FOR THE STA WHICH IS ABOUT 50 DAYS, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN TWO MONTHS. AND THEN IN REGARDS TO THE FORMER CASE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER OR STAFF WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER, THE FORMER CASE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT WE REZONED, WERE THE RESIDENTS THERE FREE TO ACTUALLY LEAVE TO SPEND MONEY IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY, OR WERE THEY SUPERVISED AT ALL TIMES? I BELIEVE THEY WERE ADULTS AS WELL. RIGHT? THEY WERE SENIOR ADULTS. THAT PROJECT WAS A SENIOR, UH, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROJECT ALONG WITH A RV AREA. UM, AND SO, BUT IT'S STILL OFFERED THE SERVICES THAT A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS OFFERS FOR, UH, HOMELESS SENIORS. THAT WAS THEIR, UH, PROJECT. OKAY. AND REMEMBER, HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS IS, UM, INCLUDES ALL TYPES OF SERVICES RELATED TO A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS THAT WOULD OFFER FROM A HOMELESS SHELTER TO A HOMELESS CAMPUS, UM, AND TO TEMPORARY HOUSING FOR YOUTH. SO ONCE IT'S ZONED THAT WAY, ANY ONE OF THOSE USES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. OKAY. UM, AND I GUESS MY POINT IS, SO, BUT THE SENIORS WERE ABLE TO LEAVE, IF THEY HAD, SAY, SAY, SAY YOU HAD, AYE YES, THEY MAY BE HOMELESS OR SOMETHING, BUT SAY THEY HAD A FRIEND COME, THEY COULD COME PICK UP THE SENIOR AND THEY COULD LEAVE THE FACILITY, GO AS THEY WISHED AND THEN COME BACK AT NIGHT. AND I'M TRYING TO DRAW A CONTRAST BETWEEN THIS AND THIS OTHER FACILITY. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS GOING OVER BOUNDS OR NOT. TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, YES. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WAS A TEMPORARY HOUSING, UM, FOR SENIORS ALONG WITH THAT RV PARK AND OFFERING THOSE HUMAN SERVICE RELATED ACTIVITIES THAT'S PART OF THE CAMPUS. OKAY. WOULD, WOULD SAY A, UM, A FACILITY, UM, AND, AND I MENTIONED THIS JUST, JUST BECAUSE I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE FACILITY, SAY CLARITY, WOULD CLARITY BE CONSIDERED A HUMAN SERVICES FACILITY? FAMILIAR WITH CLARITY TOO. OKAY. CLARITY CHILD GUIDANCE THERE. YEAH, IT'S CLARITY CHILD GUIDANCE CENTER THAT IS MORE OF A, A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY? YES, THEY DO HAVE, UM, ON, I THINK THEY HAVE THE IN, IN RESIDENCE AND THEN THE, THOSE THAT COME IN FOR, UH, OUTPATIENT THERAPY. OUTPATIENT, OUTPATIENT. SO THEY HAVE INPATIENT AND OUTPATIENT SERVICES. UM, IT'S, I, I BELIEVE IT'S CLASSIFIED. AND AGAIN, WITHOUT LOOKING AT, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THE CODE IN FRONT OF ME, UH, BUT IT'S EITHER, UH, SOME SORT OF MEDICAL FACILITY, UH, FOR THERAPY SERVICES. UM, BUT I'D HAVE TO PULL UP THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF USE. OKAY. OKAY. I THINK I UNDERSTAND. ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME, SORRY. OKAY. UM, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, CONTINUE OUR, UH, QUESTIONING, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A, UH, 15 MINUTE, UH, BREAK. IT IS CURRENTLY, UM, 5 47. SO WE'LL COME BACK, UH, A LITTLE BIT AT AFTER, UH, SIX. IT'S 6 0 4 AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. ALL RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. UH, ANY QUESTIONS? [04:25:02] COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE ELSE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE APPLICANT OR, OR MAYBE MORE APPROPRIATELY, UM, THE, THE GENTLEMAN FROM VISION QUEST ABOUT YOUR OPERATION OF ONE OF YOUR OTHER FACILITIES. THE SPECIFICALLY, I THINK THE ARIZONA FACILITY. SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO COULD ANSWER A QUESTION ON THAT. HI, MY NAME IS NATE KO. I AM THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER, SAES CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR VISION QUEST. THANK YOU. UM, JUST ONE QUESTION, EMMA, YOUR OTHER FACILITIES, HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED ANY, UM, PROTESTORS OR OTHER, UH, FOLKS WHO HAVE COME AND KIND OF BEEN DRAWN TO THE AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE, THE NATURE OF, OF YOUR WORK? NO. IN, UH, TUCSON, ARIZONA, OUR, WE HAVE A LONG-TERM CARE FOSTER PROGRAM. THE CHILDREN LIVE IN HOMES ROUGHLY ABOUT FOUR TO SIX KIDS IN A HOME. AND THEY RESIDE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. THEY PARTICIPATE IN GOING TO SCHOOL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. UH, THEY PARTICIPATE IN COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES. AND THESE CHILDREN, USUALLY WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARDS TO PLACING THEM WITH SELECTED SPONSORS IN THE, IN THOSE PROGRAMS. SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM, NO. AND, AND IS THAT A SIMILAR OPERATION THAT WOULD BE OCCURRING IN THIS FACILITY? THE, THE OPERATIONS IN THIS FACILITY IS ONE STEP OFF THAT PROGRAM. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE, THE SHELTER PROGRAM HERE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHERE THE KIDS WOULD GO AFTER 30 TO 90 DAYS, THEY WOULD EITHER GO TO REUNIFICATION WITH THEIR FAMILIES HERE IN THE US OR THEY WOULD GO TO A FOSTER PARENT PROGRAM USING CHA, UH, CAPS HERE IN, IN, UH, TEXAS AND ALSO, OR GOING TO A LONG-TERM CARE FOSTER PROGRAM. THAT IS THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE IN ARIZONA. IT'S STILL AN OR PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELCOME, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER KAMATH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE SAME APPLICANT, THE OPERATIONS GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE THE YES SIR. SIR. THE, UM, THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE THERE FOR ABOUT, BETWEEN AROUND 90 DAYS, THEY, AFTER THAT THEY WOULD BE PLACED IN SOME FOSTER HOMES. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE THREE OPTIONS FOR THEM. THEY WILL EITHER BE REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS HERE IN THE US OR GUARDIANS, OR THEY WOULD BE PUT INTO, UH, FOSTER PARENTS OR FOSTER PROGRAMS UTILIZING THE CAPS PROGRAM HERE IN TEXAS OR, AND THE THIRD IS GOING INTO AN OR LONG-TERM CARE FOSTER PROGRAM. THE, SO DURING THE TIME WHILE THEY'RE STAYING THERE, UH, I THINK THE PROJECTED NUMBER WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED TO 150 CHILDREN? NO, THE, THE NUMBER IS IN, UH, THE LOCATION THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, ROUGHLY. WE'LL, HOUSE 90 CHILDREN. 90 CHILDREN. THE WHO IS THE OVERSEEING GOVERNMENTAL BODY FOR THE CARE AND THE WELLBEING OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, THE OFFICE OF REFUGEE AND, UH, RESETTLEMENTS AND THE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS IS THAT THE SITE WILL BE VISITED WEEKLY AND THEN, AND ALSO WITH THE, THE OVERSIGHT WILL OCCUR THE FOLLOWING WAY OR WILL COME AND VISIT THE LOCATION WEEKLY. AND THEN THOSE WEEKLY VISITS WILL BE REVIEWED BY THEIR SUPERVISORS MONTHLY. THERE WILL ALSO BE STATE AGENCY VISITS ON THE SCHEDULE THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER. AND THEN THERE WILL BE A ADVISORY GROUP THAT'S PUT TOGETHER WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OPERATIONS ARE COMPATIBLE. WHAT THEY, WHAT WE HAVE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE ALSO THE DEPARTMENT OF, UH, FAMILY PROTECTIVE, SIR, DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY PROTECTION. CAN YOU GO TO THE MIC? I HAVE TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE, SIR. BUT ALSO WE'D ALSO OUGHT TO BE LICENSED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY PROTECTIVE SERVICES. SO WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA AND THOSE STANDARDS, AND WE WOULD BE MONITORED BY C P S AS WELL. SO I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. YES, SIR. BASICALLY, YOU'RE A VENDOR FOR THE THIS PROGRAM TO HOUSE THE CHILDREN? YES. DO, DO YOU HAVE TO BID ON THESE CONTRACTS OR HOW DOES THIS THING WORK? YOU ARE, YOU AN, AN R F P IS ISSUED BY THE GOVERNMENT. YOU FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE R F P [04:30:01] AND THEN EACH OF THE R F P IS GRADED TO A SCORE OF A HUNDRED POINTS. UH, THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, SCORE A HIGHS BASICALLY ARE AWARDED THESE LOCATIONS SUBJECT TO THE NEEDS AND LOCATIONS THAT THE OR ARMY NEED THESE LOCATIONS TO BE AT. SO IT IS AN OPEN BID. UH, EVERYONE, EVERYONE THAT CAN QUALIFY, UH, CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE, IN THE BID PROCESS. SO HAVE YOU QUALIFIED FOR THIS FACILITY ALREADY OR IT STILL IS IN A PRO PROJECT? OUR, WE HAVE BEEN AWARDED THIS CONTRACT FOR THIS FACILITY. UH, OUR CONTRACT WAS AWARDED BEGINNING AUGUST 1ST OF THIS YEAR. UH, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, YOUR HONOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER? OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND. SO HOW MANY OF THESE VERY SIMILAR FACILITIES ARE YOU CURRENTLY OPERATING, AGAIN, USING THE SAME MODEL THAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO USE FOR YOUR FACILITY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO? SURE. CHRIS MEYERS, WE'RE OPERATING A FACILITY IN PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA, AND THEN A SIMILAR FACILITY IN TUCSON, ARIZONA. UH, FROM A BID PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE AWARDED, UH, SEVEN OTHER SITES IN CALIFORNIA, UH, HERE IN TEXAS AND IN, UM, UM, HERE IN TEXAS. AND THEN, UH, ARIZONA AS WELL. YES, SIR. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, SO I GUESS I'LL START WITH HAROLD. IS THAT YOUR NAME? HAROLD HERE? SAY HAROLD NEVER BEEN IN ONE OF THESE FACILITIES AND I'M A LITTLE GIRL THAT COMES IN. WHAT WOULD I FIND AND EXPECT? UM, YOU WOULD FIND A HOST OF THERAPISTS, CASE MANAGERS, MEDICAL STAFF, NURSES, CHILDCARE WORKERS, UM, THOSE ARE THE FOLKS YOU WOULD FIND THERE. YOU WOULD BE WELCOMED, UM, MEDICAL NEEDS MET RIGHT AWAY. UH, YOU WOULD BE FIND PROBABLY A CASE MANAGER AND A THERAPIST. YOU WOULD START THAT PROCESS RIGHT AWAY FOR WHATEVER TRAUMA AND THOSE KIND OF ISSUES THAT MAY HAVE OCCURRED PRIOR TO COMING HERE. AND THEN IMMEDIATELY WE START LOOKING, UH, FOR FIGHTING TO FIND THAT FAMILY PROCESS. UH, SOMETIMES SHE'LL COME IN WITH INFORMATION, UM, RELATIVE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. UM, IT'S OUR MISSION TO TRY TO REALLY FIND THOSE PARENTS AS SOON AS WE CAN OR FIND A SPONSOR OR UTILIZE CHILD PLACING AGENCIES TO HELP FIND FOLKS FOR THAT. YOU'LL FIND A A A A SCHOOL SETTING. YOU'LL, YOU'LL FIND TEACHERS, CERTIFIED TEACHERS THAT'LL BE THERE TEACHING, UH, PROVIDING SCHOOL ON A DAILY BASIS. YOU'LL FIND RECREATION, UH, FIND NURTURING, YOU'LL FIND, UH, A HOME ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS PROVIDE A HOME ENVIRONMENT TO NORMALIZE THOSE BY THE TRAUMA THESE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN THROUGH. SO, UH, WHEN A CHILD COMES TO THE FACILITY, WHAT IS THEIR STATE OF THEIR PHYSICAL STATE? WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO THEY, NOT SO MUCH A HOME. YES, MA'AM. SO WHEN THEY, THEY COME TO THE FACILITY, THEY ARE USUALLY IN WHATEVER CLOTHES THEY CROSS THE BORDER WITH. SO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY IS VETTED THEM IN SOME WAY, TURN THEM OVER TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, WHATEVER THEY WERE WEARING, AND THEY'RE DELIVERED TO A, A SHELTER SOMEWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES. AS, AS HAROLD SAID, AS SOON AS WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A, A MEDICAL EVALUATION WITHIN 12 HOURS OF ARRIVING. SO A DOCTOR, THERE'S A DENTAL CARE THAT LOOKS AT THEM. THERE'S ANY, ANY KIND OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AS WELL AS MENTAL, UH, MENTAL, UH, THE THERAPEUTIC SERVICES. THAT'S ALL DONE, UH, AT ASSESSMENT RIGHT AWAY. AND DEPENDING ON THAT ASSESSMENT, THEN THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO A PARTICULAR TYPE OF CASEWORKER. AS HAROLD MENTIONED, ALSO, THE SCHOOL'S REQUIRED SIX HOURS A DAY. SO THEY'RE IN, IT'S ENGLISH, SOCIAL STUDIES, UH, MATH, SCIENCE, UM, THAT'S ALL DONE REQUIRED SIX HOURS PER DAY. UH, PLUS THE RECREATION. UM, THERE'S A NURSE THERE 24 7. SO THERE'S ANY ISSUES. THEN THE NURSE WOULD THEN, UH, CALL THE DOCTOR IN OR TRANSPORT TO AN EMERGENCY ROOM IF, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES. UM, BUT THEY, FROM THE DAY THEY GET THERE, WE, WE THEN PROVIDE THEM APPROPRIATE CLOTHES. SO WHATEVER THE WEATHER HERE IS BETTER HERE IN TEXAS THAN SAY, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. UM, SO, UH, WE, WHATEVER CLOTHES APPROPRIATE THE ENVIRONMENT, WE WOULD HAVE THEM ON HAND. AND WE PROVIDE ALL THE CLOTHING AS WELL. OKAY. SO THEY COME PRETTY, PRETTY ROUGH LOOKING. YES, MA'AM. AND THEN YOU GIVE THEM A SHOWER AND BATH OR WHATEVER AND YOU CLOTHES. SO YES, MA'AM. AND SO WHAT IS, HOW, HOW DO THEY REACT TO THAT? UH, THE, IT IS LIKE ANY, THEY REACT DEPENDING ON THEIR OWN PERSONALITY OR THEIR OWN GIFTS AND THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, UH, WHATEVER THEIR ISSUES ARE. SO THE ONES THAT WE'VE INTERACTED, THAT I'VE INTERACTED PERSONALLY IN TUCSON, ARIZONA, HAVE BEEN VERY, UH, CIRCUMSPECT AND VERY OPEN ABOUT THEIR TRAUMA THAT HAVE CROSSED THE BORDER. HENCE WHY WE HAVE THE TRAUMA EXPERTS ON BOARD. UH, ALL [04:35:01] OF THEM, WE, ALL OF THE STUDENTS THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UH, STUDENTS, ALL OF THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANNA LEAVE. THEY DON'T WANNA ESCAPE THE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A, A POPULATION THAT'S A DETENTION, YOU KNOW, A, UH, A CRIMINAL POPULATION. THIS IS A POPULATION OF KIDS THAT CROSS THE BORDER AND ARE LOOKING FOR THEIR FAMILIES IN THE UNITED STATES. HENCE, THEY DON'T WANNA RUN AWAY. THEY TEND TO WANT TO WORK WITH US TO FIND THEIR, THEIR PARENTS. SO THERE'S A LOT MORE COOPERATION THAN YOU WOULD SAY IN A TYPICAL, UH, ENVIRONMENT OF A CHILDCARE FACILITY THAT IS, IS WITH, UM, TROUBLED YOUTH. 'CAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT ISSUES. SO THIS FACILITY IS GONNA BE, UH, IN THE CONFINES OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. MA'AM, HAVE YOU HAD DONE A FACILITY LIKE THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, THE CHURCH AT ALL, OR ANY TYPE OF A CHURCH? SO THE, THIS IS THE ONLY CHURCH FACILITY THAT WE'RE AT, WE'RE AT OTHER FACILITIES. MOST, A LOT OF THE ART USED TO BE ASSISTED, UH, LIVING CENTERS. UM, BUT THE CHURCH HAS PLENTY OF PLUMBING AND BATHROOMS. UH, WE NEED TO HAVE ONE SHOWER PER EIGHT KIDS. IT'S ONE BATHROOM PER SIX KIDS PER LAW. AND AGAIN, THE LAWS WE FOLLOW ARE BOTH THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE, UM, AND THE FEDERAL LAW, UH, UNDER THE OR PROGRAM. SO YOU HAVE BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME. SO WE ENSURE THAT THERE, THERE'S SHOWERS AND BATHROOMS FOR THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF CHILDREN, AND THERE'S NO MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN PER BEDROOM. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE PICTURES HERE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND THEM TO YOU THERE. WE, WE DO A SOUTHWEST THEME IN ALL OF OUR, OUR, UM, ON ALL OF OUR SHELTERS. SO IT'S, IT'S MORE BRIGHTER COLORS, UH, POSITIVE. WE HAVE A CANTEEN SETTING FOR THE LUNCHEON. AGAIN, AS, AS HAROLD SAID, THE WHOLE INTENTION IS TO MAKE THIS A HOME SETTING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW LOT'S BEEN SAID EARLIER, UM, BUT IF YOU VISITED A DETENTION CENTER AND YOU VISITED A SHELTER, JUST FACTUALLY, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE. OKAY. THEN YOU MENTIONED AN ADVISORY GROUP. UM, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. IS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, THE CONGREGANTS AND THE CHURCH OR OUR, THAT'S OUR INTENTION WOULD BE WITH THE CHURCH, BUT ALSO COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SO WHOEVER'S OPEN AND IT'S NOT, WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO FOR ADVISORY COUNCIL IS LIKE WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UH, PRIOR TO, WE ALSO MET WITH THE CHURCH AND THE CONGREGATION. UH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, WANT, WE WOULD, WE WOULD DEF I'M SORRY, I, WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT, UH, MEMBERS FROM THE CHURCH INVOLVED WITH THAT. WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WHETHER THAT'S WHOEVER THAT IS, UH, TO BE INVOLVED. AND WE WOULD HAVE MEETINGS WITH THOSE FOLKS, UM, HAVE THEM INVOLVED. IT ALSO WOULD HELP US FIND MORE RESOURCES. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT IT TO BE NORMAL. WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE, UH, SEPARATE AND ISOLATED AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO WE DEFINITELY WANT THE INVOLVEMENT FROM THE COMMUNITY WITH US. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS HOW MUCH MONEY, I MEAN, COULD YOU COMPARE IT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT FIGURE, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED, CAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST PER CHILD AS IN COMPARISON TO MAYBE THE COST PER CHILD AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL, ALTHOUGH THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT WHAT IS THE COST PER CHILD THAT GOES INTO THIS FACILITY, UH, IN THIS TYPE OF CARE? IT, IT IS VERY INTERESTING WHEN YOU PHRASE THAT QUESTION. ME BEING A HEALTHCARE EXECUTIVE, FORMER HEALTHCARE EXECUTIVE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A COST PER DAY FOR TREATING OR TAKING CARE OF A POPULATION GROUP, YOU WOULD TAKE A SIGN, A GLOBAL COST ASPECT, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IT THE SAME WAY BECAUSE, UH, WE PROVIDE SPECIALIZED SERVICES, WE PROVIDE NURSES, WE PROVIDE ACCESS TO MEDICAL SERVICES, WE PROVIDE, UH, CHILD, UH, CASEWORKERS, CLINICIANS, HIGHLY, UH, SKILLED INDIVIDUALS. UH, THE AVERAGE COST THAT WE ARE UTILIZING IS ROUGHLY AROUND $270 PER DAY. AND THAT'S OVERALL TO ALL THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE PER DAY. PER KID. PER KID, OKAY. OKAY. RIGHT. AND, UH, THERE ARE OR AWARDS THAT GO FARTHER HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE THAT, THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING AT. AND SO WHEN YOU GIVE A CHILD SOME HEALTHCARE, UM, WHAT, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE WHATEVER THE, THE NEED IS TO THEM. BUT ARE YOU CHECKING FOR LIKE HEADLIGHTS AND MAYBE ALL THOSE ARE DONE, MAYBE TICKS THAT THEY PICKED? I HOPE NOW, OH GOD, THAT'S LIKE SUCH AN AWFUL THING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S ALL. I, I, I'LL TELL YOU MY, WHEN MY KID COMES HOME FROM SCHOOL WITH LICENSE, HEAD 'EM, DIFFERENT STORY. DON'T EVEN WANT COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TRY AND REFOCUS THAT WE ARE REALLY HERE ON THE LAND USE AND NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THE COST PER CHILD. SO I WOULD JUST REFOCUS. I APPRECIATE THAT COUNSELOR. SO LET ME, LET'S GET US BACK ON TRACK. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME, MA'AM. UM, TO THE STAFF, I'M CURIOUS ON THE, THE BUFFERING THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. SO WE DO HAVE BUFFERING ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE CHURCH BECAUSE WE [04:40:01] HAVE WEST COMMERCE THERE. SO THAT'S CONSIDERED A BUFFER. CORRECT. STREET IS CONSIDERED A BUFFER. SO ON THE BACKSIDE IS A PARKING LOT THAT GOES UP TO, UM, LOOKS LIKE AN, AN ALLEYWAY OR SOMETHING. IS, IS THAT PARKING LOT CONSIDERED A BUFFER? THERE'S NO PARKING LOT. THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. THERE ARE SOME VACANT PROPERTIES FOR DEVELOPMENT, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT IS THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY PLATTED SUBDIVISION. OKAY. AND ARE YOU WILLING, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND SO IF THE, THE CHURCH SOUNDED LIKE THEY ARE WILLING TO MEET THE BUFFER REQUIREMENT, HAVE THEY DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU AND HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT WITH THEM? NO. OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT, WHEN YOU HAVE THE, THE ZONING IS BACKED UP AGAINST AN ALLEY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENT AS IF YOU WERE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE OF AN R FOUR. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THERE, THERE ISN'T OTHERWISE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN WOULD BE THAT BUFFERING. AND I'M SAYING THERE IN THEIR STAFF REPORT, THEY REFERENCED BUFFERING BECAUSE OF THE INTENSITY OF THE USE. I SAID, WE'LL PUT A BUFFER THERE. IT'S NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE ALLEY, BUT WE WE'RE HAPPY TO. OKAY. SO COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAPPY TO DO? A LANDSCAPE BUFFERING WOULD BE A, A TYPE B BUFFERING, UH, 15 FEET WITH THE SHRUBBERY PER PER CODE ARTICLE FIVE. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT THEN? WELL, THAT WOULD BE, RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE LIKE, UM, A TYPE B BUFFER IS A TYPICAL BETWEEN A C TWO USE AND AN R FOUR USE R FIVE USE IS A TYPE B BUFFER. SO THAT'S 15 FEET OF SEPARATION AND THEN THE, THE, THE SHRUBBERY PER THE CODE. OKAY. UM, SO THEN, UM, HOW, I GUESS, LET ME ASK STAFF AGAIN. UM, SO HOW MANY OTHER TYPES OF THESE FACILITIES ARE THERE IN THE CITY AND ARE THESE SIMILAR TO THIS HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS? HOW ARE THEY ALSO MEETING THE SAME TYPE OF CRITERIA THAT, OF COURSE THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE DIFFERENT, BUT IN A GENERAL SENSE, PERHAPS SINCE THE ADOPTION OF THE HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS USE? UH, WE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT SIX THAT HAVE BEEN REZONED FOR A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS, UM, INCLUDING HAVEN FOR HOPE. UM, AND THEN THERE IS OTHER USES. SO, UM, EACH ONE WAS LOOKED AT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, UM, AND DECIDED UPON, UH, BY CITY COUNCIL AT, AT THAT TIME. UM, AND, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT, UH, SIX THAT WE HAVE ACCORDING TO OUR AVAILABLE RECORDS. THE TRUE REASON FOR THE DENIAL IS BASED ON, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN? I, MAYBE IT WAS ALREADY DONE. I APOLOGIZE IF I'M USING EVERYONE'S TIME, BUT JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION. THE HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS USE IS A USE, UH, PERMITTED ONLY PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITH AN SS IN A C THREE, WHICH MEANS THAT, UM, A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION IS REQUIRED. A REZONING IS REQUIRED BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN ALL C THREE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS. UH, THEY ARE, UH, UTILIZING THE CONDITIONAL USE PROVISION TO CONDITION IT DOWN. THE HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS IS A VERY INTENSE USE. UM, AND, UH, IN OUR OPINION, IT, WE RECOMMENDED A TO DENIAL BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO, UM, OTHER USES WITHOUT APPROPRIATE BUFFERS. IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY MEAN, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, BUT YOU CAN ALSO UTILIZE ZONING BUFFERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTENSITY DOESN'T IMPACT THOSE SURROUNDING USES. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE INTENSITY? DO YOU MEAN INTENSITY AS FAR AS THE ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INTENSITY? UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU JUST GAVE EXAMPLES FOR ARE COMPONENTS OF THAT. THERE IS, UM, DIFFERENT USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS. ONE OF THOSE IS A HOMELESS, UH, CAMPUS HOMELESS SHELTER. UM, WHEN YOU, UH, HAVE THOSE, UH, TYPES OF USES WHERE THEY ARE DIRECTLY ABUTTING OR ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, IT COULD PUT SOME STRESS ON THE RES RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION BECAUSE OF THE OUTLYING EFFECTS OF THOSE USES. THAT'S WHY IT REQUIRES AN SS AND C THREE BECAUSE OF THE INTENSITY OF THOSE TYPES OF USES. I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING OUTTA THAT. I'M NOT GETTING WHAT YOU MEAN BY YOU'RE NOT EXPLAINING. WHERE IS THE INTENSITY HERE? IF WE'RE, IF WE HAVE 90 STUDENTS, ALMOST LIKE A SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOL, SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER A SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOL IN A CHURCH? HIGH INTENSITY. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THEIR PARTICULAR USE. A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS IS NOT JUST ABOUT A TEMPORARY HOUSING FACILITY FOR, FOR YOUTH. IT IS ALL OF THOSE USES, ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS CAN ALSO INCLUDE A HOMELESS SHELTER. UH, AND TYPICALLY OUR HOMELESS SHELTERS ARE LOCATED WITH APPROPRIATE BUFFERS, [04:45:01] WHETHER THEY ARE, UM, STREETS, HIGHWAYS, MAYBE, UH, SURROUNDING INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL USES. THIS IS NOT THAT CASE. AGAIN, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS, NOT A TEMPORARY HOUSING FACILITY FOR YOUTH. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS AND ALL THOSE USES THAT COULD FALL UNDER THAT, ONCE IT'S ZONED FOR THAT, IT'S ZONED FOR THAT IN PERPETUITY UNTIL REZONED AGAIN. AND ARE YOU, WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED WITH THE OPTION OF THE BUFFERING THAT THEY'RE, UM, THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE? IS THERE ANY BUFFERING THAT YOU WOULD ACCEPT? NO. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THAT. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BUFFERING THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING FOR. WELL, HOW MUCH BUFFERING DO YOU NEED? HOW MANY, AGAIN, THIS LOCATION IS ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. THIS, THE, THE SITE IS ALREADY BUILT. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, IT'S STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE BUFFERS ADJACENT TO THIS AREA. AND WHAT IS THAT APPROPRIATE BUFFER? AGAIN, THE SITE IS ALREADY BUILT AND IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL THEN. WHAT, MAYBE YOU COULD ANSWER A QUESTION. WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER? WELL, I THINK THAT AN ALLEYWAY IS PART OF AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER AND A ROADWAY IS A BUFFER. SO AS AN ALLEYWAY, UM, AS THE PASTOR JUST POINTED OUT TO ME, ALL THE EMPTY LOTS THAT YOU SEE THERE ARE OWNED BY THE CHURCH. THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY. UM, SO THE BUFFERING THAT WE HAVE THERE IS, UM, I MEAN, HAVING BUFFERING IN IS, IS TAKEN CARE OF IN THE CODE. I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT C TWO C THREE USES ARE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL USES ALL OVER THE CITY. IT'S TAKEN CARE OF BY THESE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S A VERY COMMON THING. OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T EXIST IN THE CODE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE OFFERING IS TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL PUT A, WE'LL PUT A LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN. 'CAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND YOU'VE GOT A 16 FOOT ALLEY TO PROPERTY THAT YOU CO-OWN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UM, I DIDN'T PRESS MY BUTTON. UM, ONE THING DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, THAT SORT OF JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS YOUR STATEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THE USES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT INDIVIDUALLY. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU SORT OF STRESS INDIVIDUALLY TWICE, I THINK, DURING THE SINGLE SENTENCE? AND TELL ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU THINK THE IMPORT OF THAT IS? SO THE IMPORT AS, AS MY ARGUMENT GOES, IS THAT ONE PART OF THE INTENSITY THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WAS LOOKING AT THE USES THAT TAKE PLACE ON THERE. UM, BUT TWO, IT'S HOW OUR FACILITY IS RUN COMPARED TO THE WAY A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS IS APPLIED. NOW, WHEN WE, LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE CAME IN, WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS WAS THE APPROPRIATE USE FOR US TO GO. AND PART OF THAT IS IT ISN'T SEPARATE FACILITIES, MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. THAT'S PART OF THE INTENSITY IS HAVING THAT MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. SO BEING ALL UNDER ONE ROOF WAS PART OF THE, UM, PART OF WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT. BUT WHEN, LOOK, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT ONE ROOF FACILITY, I WANNA LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL USES TO SAY WHAT IS THE INTENSITY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING AT. SO THAT'S HOW I'M TRYING TO PULL IT OUT, IS HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUSES IS AN ENCOMPASSING MIXED USE DISTRICT. TAKING ALL OF THESE TOGETHER, BUT CAN'T, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEPARATE THEM WITHOUT LOOKING AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY SAYING, WHAT, WHAT IS THE INTENSITY OF A CLASSROOM? YOU'VE GOT STUDENTS, THEY'RE NOT DRIVING. WHAT IS THE INTENSITY OF HAVING SOME OFFICES, SOME, SOME HOUSING FACILITY. EACH ONE OF THOSE USES IS ALLOWED IN 83. THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES IT INTENSE OR NOT INTENSE. SO LET'S LOOK AT THOSE USES WHEN LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS INTENSE. UM, NOW THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR VISION QUEST. UM, HAROLD OR SOMEONE ELSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED SOME IN THE BAYAR COUNTY CHILDREN'S COURT OVER TIME. UM, AND, AND WHAT I'M HEARING SOUNDS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER. DO YOU THINK THAT ANALOGY IS FAIR HEARING WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE TO AN RT C? YES, I WOULD SAY NO. OKAY. TELL ME WHY. I WOULD SAY THESE CHILDREN ARE NOT BEING PLACED NECESSARILY BY C P S. UH, THEY ARE BEING PLACED BY O R R, UH, THEY ARE SEEKING THEIR FAMILIES. I THINK A LOT OF RTCS, WE'VE RUN RTCS. I DO HAVE AN R T C IN FORT WORTH ALSO. THAT'S A FOSTER CARE R T C. IT'S, IT'S MORE FOR, UH, DEEPER END MENTAL, MENTAL HEALTH KIDS IS WHAT I DEAL WITH THERE. SO THERE COULD BE DEEPER MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES WITH THOSE KIDS. I MEAN, I, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO GET INTO THE WHOLE STATE SYSTEM AND THE FOSTER CARE AND WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH SINGLE SOURCE CONTINUUM AND KIND OF THE PROCESS IT'S GOING THROUGH. SO I SEE IT DIFFERENT BECAUSE I, I RUN RTCS SUE. WELL, LET ME, UH, ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT D F P S AND C P [04:50:01] S WOULD BE SUPERVISING, WE WOULD'VE TO BE LICENSED BY DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES. WOULD THAT BE THE SAME LICENSING, UH, SYSTEM AS AN RTC, AS AN R T C? YES. YOU WOULD'VE TO BE LICENSED THROUGH AN R T C BY THEM AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH. HAROLD, UM, BEFORE YOU GO SIT DOWN, VISION QUEST ISN'T DOWN ON THE BORDER, ROUNDING UP THESE FOLKS, RIGHT? NO, SIR. THESE ARE FOLKS THAT, UH, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS, HAS, HAS BROUGHT IN THAT THEY WOULD THEN BE PLACING AT YOUR FACILITY. CORRECT. AND, UM, YOU HAVE, ARE ARE THERE OTHER BUSINESSES, OTHER COMPETITORS OUT THERE THAT, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THAT BID ON, ON THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROJECT? SURE. THERE ARE NUMEROUS ONES. YES. I, I I, THE LARGEST ONES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS, UM, BAPTIST, B C F S B C F S. OKAY. SOUTHWEST KEYS, UH, CHURCH CHARITIES. SO THERE ARE OTHERS? YES. YES. AND IF IT WASN'T VISION QUEST THAT WAS HERE, THAT WAS GOING TO, UH, BE HOUSED IN THEIR, UH, THESE CHILDREN, IT WOULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE. THAT'S ALL. I I, I CLARIFY ONE THING, UH, ONE THING THAT CAME TO MIND. I MEAN, I THINK ONE DIFFERENCE, IF I COULD SAY THAT TOO. UM, THESE ARE 90 DAYS WE'RE AVERAGE DAY IS AROUND 50, I THINK, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S DIFFERENT TOO. A LOT OF RTCS ARE LONG TERM ALSO. UM, THIS IS SHORT TERM CARE AND WE HAVE 90 DAYS TO REALLY SEARCH THOSE FAMILIES OUT AND THEN, LIKE NA SAID, THEN THEY WOULD GO TO LONG TERM. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. UH, UM, HUMAN, AND THIS QUESTION IS FOR STAFF. UH, HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUSES ARE TYPICALLY DETERMINED BY THE USES OF SIZE OF EACH BUILDING. UM, AND THIS SAYS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 165 PARKING SPACES. UM, WITH IT BEING ON THE CURRENT CHURCH CAMPUS, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO THEY HAVE AND, UM, WITH IT, WITH THEM HAVING SERVICES, ET CETERA, UM, WOULD THAT IMPACT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR HSS? THEY CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THE CURRENT PARKING THAT THEY HAVE ON SITE. I WANNA BE CLEAR, THE, IT'S, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE CREATING 164. THAT WAS WE'RE COUNT. WE JUST COUNTED, THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY. OUR, THE, THE PARKING THAT'S BEING GENERATED BY OURS IS SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF, YOU KNOW, 30 TO 40. BUT, UM, THE, WHAT WAS PUT ON THAT SITE PLAN WAS JUST WE COUNTED THE SPACES THAT WERE ALREADY THERE. AND REMEMBER, THOSE SPACES WERE CREATED FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER TO HAVE CLASSROOMS, BOWLING, ALLEY, GYM, ALL OF THOSE USES FULL. WHAT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, DO YOU NEED FOR THAT? THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE GROUND ALREADY, SO WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE PARKING IN ANY WAY. OKAY. AND SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE DETERMINED BY USES IN THE SIZE OF EACH BUILDING. SO IF, IF APPROVED AND THEY MOVE THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UH, WOULD BE LOOKED AT. WE ALSO DO LOOK AT IF THERE IS, UH, OTHER USES AT WHETHER OR NOT IT CONFLICTS WITH HOURS OF OPERATION. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO BE SURE THAT, UM, THE CHURCH USE, UH, FOR THE PARKING DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THEIR USE OF THE PARKING. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. ALRIGHT. UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I WAS GOING THROUGH THE CHART FOR THE, UM, A E A E THREE, UM, VERSUS THE, UH, U BASED ZONING OF C TWO. AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE, A MAJORITY OF THOSE, UH, USES ARE ONLY, UM, ALLOWED IN A E THREE IF THEY GET A SPECIFIC, UM, UH, AUTHORIZATION FOR THAT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THAT, BUT, UM, I, I, JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, A LOT OF THE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN C TWO ARE NOT IN FACT ALLOWED IN A THREE, UH, A E THREE WITHOUT, UM, AN SSS THERE ARE VARIOUS USES THAT ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT. IN A AND E THREE, UM, THAT EITHER ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT. OR REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION. THE OTHER THING THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT A E THREE IS THAT THERE IS RESIDENTIAL, UH, DENSITIES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT THAT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN, IN C TWO. SO IT'S, IT, THERE'S, THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN EACH CODE. MM-HMM. , LIKE, SAY FOR INSTANCE, SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE USES, YOU KNOW, AUTO REPAIR AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, THOSE REQUIRE AN S UM, IF IN A E THREE. AND SO WE, SO IF WE OPEN UP THE BASE ZONING HERE TO C TWO, WE WOULD BE ALLOWING SOME OF THOSE [04:55:01] USES. BASICALLY, C TWO IS MORE OF OUR RETAIL DISTRICT DOESN'T ALLOW A LOT OF AUTO REPAIR USES. THERE ARE SOME, UM, SO THAT'S JUST ONE, UH, DISTINCTION BETWEEN C TWO AND A E THREE. MM-HMM. . SO I, I MADE A LIST OF, OF ALL OF THE, THERE WERE A COUPLE ON THIS LIST THAT WERE BY SPECIFIC USE, BUT, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT FOR THE HOUSING IS BY RIGHT IN A E THREE. AND THEN I, UNDER THAT HIGHLIGHTED ALL OF THE ONES THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER C TWO. SO THE ONES THAT DON'T MATCH UP MM-HMM. ARE MORE INTENSE, NOT LESS SO BY MOVING IT TO C TWO, YOU HAVE NOT, ALL YOU'RE DOING IS CUTTING OUT HOTEL USE, MOTEL USE BED AND BREAKFAST GOLF DRIVING RANGE, UH, LASER HIDE AND SEAT GAMES. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE ALLOWED MM-HMM. . BUT YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER BASED ON THIS? I I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE USES THAT YOU ALL HAVE, BUT I'M TALKING NO, NO, I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS IS A LIST OF THE A E THREE USES THAT THE, THAT ARE ALLOWED BY. RIGHT. SO JUST AE THREE TO C TWO COMPARISON MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, THEN MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, I GUESS TO, UM, THE APPLICANT. SO I THINK THEY COMPARED IT TO A SCHOOL. SO THIS IS, UM, BUT THE, THE CHILDREN WILL BE HOUSED THERE 24 7, IS THAT CORRECT? UNLESS THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE GOING ON A FIELD TRIP, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND I THINK THE REST OF MINE ARE NOT QUESTIONS. I BELIEVE THEY WILL BE, UM, FOR COMMENT. OKAY. I THINK I'M DONE. ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS? UM, FROM, YES, COMMISSIONER ROMERO. I'M SORRY, I, I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO ASK THIS AND STOP ME IF I SHOULDN'T BE ASKING THIS. SUSAN. UM, TO, TO THE VISION QUEST FOLKS, UM, I, I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD SAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY ADMONISHED US NOT TO DO, BUT WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM PEOPLE ABOUT HOW YOU ARE A BAD COMPANY AND YOU DO BAD THINGS AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT SUNSET COLORED BEDSPREADS AND, AND YOU'RE HIDING, UM, OTHER THINGS. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A BIG COMPANY AND I, I CAN'T REALLY, AS I'M TRYING TO READ A LOT OF THE STUFF ABOUT CHARGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT AGAINST THE COMPANY, IT'S HARD TO REALLY TRACK DOWN A LOT OF THEM. UM, SO I WANTED TO JUST GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO JUST ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES TO US. YES, MA'AM. I'LL ADDRESS SOME, AND, AND HAROLD CAN ADDRESS THE REST. HE'S WORKED FOR THE COMPANY FOR 47 YEARS. UM, A COUPLE OF THEM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, NEW MEXICO WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE LICENSE BEING, THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE. THERE WAS A PRE-APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON WHAT INFORMATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED BACK AND FORTH. AND THEN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO SAID, LOOK, WE'RE REALLY NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING LESS THAN 68 KIDS PER, PER, PER STRUCTURE IN OUR, IN OUR SYSTEM, WHICH WAS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT O R R AWARD WAS THERE. SO THERE, SO WHEN YOU FACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR ONE, THE SECOND ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED, THAT OUR PHILADELPHIA LICENSE WAS REVOKED, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. UH, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION, WE ACTUALLY PULLED THE LICENSE AND NOW WE WE'RE IN A ZONING ISSUE WITH A PARTICULAR FACILITY, AND WE ACTUALLY WON THAT IN COURT IN THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. THE JUDGE, REMEMBER THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA SAID WE, WE WERE IN THE RIGHT AND THE CITY WAS IN THE WRONG. UH, SO AGAIN, WHEN YOU JUST GOOGLE THINGS AND DON'T LOOK AT MAYBE ALL THE FACTS, UH, THAT COMES UP. SO, UH, AND A LOT OF THE ALLEGATIONS TODAY THAT BROUGHT UP WHERE NOTHING WAS SPECIFIC. UM, SO I CAN'T ADDRESS ANYTHING BY SPECULATION. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. I, I DO KNOW WE HAVE A HISTORY OF PERFORMANCE IN O R R. WE'VE GOTTEN HIGH MARKS IN O R OUR DELAWARE PROGRAMS, OUR MARYLAND PROGRAMS, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT. UM, AND TO CITY COUNCIL AND YOURSELF, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AS WELL AS OUR OPERATIONS HERE IN BEAR COUNTY. SO WE DIDN'T GET ANY SPECIFICS OF WHAT ANYBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, JUST LOTS OF HAND WAVING AND ISSUES, WHICH I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT, BUT FACTUALLY, UH, THE FACTS THAT WERE PRESENTED ON THE SPECIFIC CASES JUST WEREN'T TRUE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK THOSE UP, YOU CAN SEE THAT. I'LL DEFER TO HOWARD HAROLD FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU. UM, O ONLY THING I COULD SAY TO THAT TOO. I, I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT FOLKS ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. UM, ALL, ALL I CAN TELL YOU, WE'VE BEEN AROUND 47 YEARS. UM, WE HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY. UM, WE HAVE A VERY COMPLIANT CONTRACT. I HAVE HAD NO ISSUES LIKE THAT HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY. UH, NONE OF THOSE ISSUES IN MY PROGRAMS UP NORTH. UM, I CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LICENSED AND WE ARE REGULATED BY D F P S. SO ANYTIME THERE'S ANY KIND OF ALLEGATION, WE ALSO SELF-REPORT AS WELL. SO THERE COULD BE ALLEGATIONS OF THAT A CHILD MAKES THAT'S GOTTA BE INVESTIGATED. SURE, THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN IF YOU'RE WORKING WITH CHILDREN. UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE JUST, WE FOLLOW THE POLICIES AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY VIOLATES THE POLICY, THOSE FOLKS ARE TERMINATED, UM, THERE'S A RIGOROUS BACKGROUND [05:00:01] CHECK AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO GO THROUGH BEFORE THEY CAN WORK HERE ALSO. SO IT'S JUST, WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND THEN WE DO FOLLOW THE RULES, UM, EFFECT AND MONITOR MY LICENSING AND I CONTRACT HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY. UH, THE ACCOUNTABILITY THERE IS IF I WASN'T DOING A GOOD JOB, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE THE CONTRACT. SO THEY CARE. UH, THEY KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILIES AND CHILDREN THAT I'M CARING FOR HERE AND WE'RE IN THEIR HOMES EVERY DAY. SO, UM, ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN, IT'S, I THINK THE ACCOUNTABILITY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. UM, COMMISSIONER HUEY? YEAH, A QUESTION FOR THE VISION QUEST FOLKS. UM, I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER THAT, UM, PART OF YOUR PROGRAM INCLUDES OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. HOW MANY MINUTES A DAY DO THE KIDS GET, UH, FOR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES UNDER CONTRACT, SIR, IT'S AN HOUR PER DAY. SO IT'S SIX HOURS OF EDUC OF, OF, UM, SCHOOLING, HOUR PER DAY OF RECREATION. THAT'S FLEXIBLE. THERE'S OFTEN MORE IF THEY GO OUT ON A FIELD TRIP OR WE'RE GOING TO SEE A MOVIE OR THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE COUNTED ADDITIONAL RECREATION AS WELL. AND THAT'S FOR OUTDOOR. THERE'S AN INDOOR RECREATION FACILITY REQUIRED IN, IN EVERY SHELTER THAT HAS TELEVISIONS, UH, COMPUTERS, UH, UM, GAME, GAME THINGS, UH, THAT THE KIDS USE. SO THERE'S THE INTERNAL IS, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SLEEPING, THEY CAN GO INTO THAT, THE INTERNAL FACILITY AS WELL. OH, FOLLOW UP. YES, SIR. UH, WITH YOUR OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AT THE, UH, YOUR PROPOSED LOCATION, WHERE WOULD YOU HOLD THAT? WOULD THAT BE JUST SOUTH THE BUILDING TO THE ALLEY? YEAH, IN THE, IN THE GRASSY AREA BEHIND THERE, THERE'S A ENOUGH ROOM FOR LIKE A, WE COULD PLAY SOCCER, UH, RUN AROUND, ET CETERA. THERE'S ALSO UNIQUE TO THIS FACILITY, THE BOWLING ALLEY AND THE BASKETBALL COURT, SO THAT BASKETBALL AND THE BOWLING ALLEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED OUTDOOR RECREATION AT THE KIDS WANTED TO BOWL. IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN EXERCISE THING. IT'S THE, OR R'S A LITTLE FLEXIBLE ON, ON THE, ON THE DEFINITION OF RECREATION. BUT CERTAINLY BOWLING, BASKETBALL AND THEN THE OUTSIDE FOR THE SOCCER FACILITY WOULD BE, WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, WOULD PROBABLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO. WERE YOU INTENDING TO PUT UP A, UH, SECURITY BARRIER? UH, THERE, IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'LL BE FENCING THAT'S PUT UP. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S, WHAT WE DO IS WE PUT, WE'RE REQUIRED TO PUT UP A, A FENCING, UH, AROUND THE FACILITY WHERE KIDS ARE IN RECREATION. IT'S NOT SO MUCH FOR THEM LEAVING, IT'S MORE OF ANYBODY COMING ON THE FACILITY TO STEAL CHILDREN. SO THE, THE, THERE IS A, A CONCERN ABOUT FOLKS THAT ARE COMING ON TO TAKE CHILDREN EVENT OF THAT AGE GROUP. SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT FENCING. WE TEND TO PUT UP VERY NICE LOOKING FENCING. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC, THERE MAY BE A CODE HERE THAT THEY'RE LIKE WOOD FENCING VERSUS METAL FENCING. AND AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF JUST A, A, A BARRIER SO NO ONE CAN JUST JUMP OVER AND, AND TAKE A CHILD THAT, THAT'S PLAYING IN THE AREA SO THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE SAFE, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD WITH ANY OTHER CHILD, UH, IN, IN A, IN A HOUSEHOLD OR ANYWHERE ELSE. YES, SIR. FOLLOW UP. UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. YES, SIR. REMIND ME AGAIN, WHAT ARE THE AGES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? 11 TO 17, SIR. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. UM, I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. UM, YOUR CHURCH HAS A BOWLING ALLEY. JESUS BOWLS. OH MY GOODNESS. , CAN YOU GO TO THE MIC, PLEASE? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESCRIBE OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. THE COMMUNITY CENTER HAS AN EIGHT LANE BOWLING CENTER WHERE 80 KIDS OR 80 PERSON CAN BOWL AT ONE TIME. UH, IN THAT BOWLING CENTER, 200 CAN BE GATHERED THERE. THAT INCLUDES THE 80, WHO WILL BOWL, WHO WILL BE BOWLING. THE GYMNASIUM HAS THREE BASKETBALL COURTS, TWO GOING EAST AND WEST, ONE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH. UM, ON THE GYM FLOORS, BASKETBALL, VOLLEYBALL, TENNIS, INDOOR SOCCER, AND A SKATING RINK. AND WE HAVE THE SKATES AND WE HAVE THE BOWLING SHOES. GOODNESS. IT IS A MARVELOUS FACILITY. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT. COME SEE IT. COME SEE IT. . THANK YOU. COME BOWL. THANK YOU. WELL, I WON'T, YEAH. UM, AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JAMES. WELL, I THINK YOU KIND OF ANSWERED MY INTENSITY CONCERN WHEN YOU SAID, UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, THE INTENSITY IS GREATER THAN THE ZONING YOU'RE REQUESTING BECAUSE, AND THAT WOULD SEEM INTENSE TO ME. HOTEL, WHATEVER THAT HOTEL MOTEL. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEREIN TO ME IS THE INTENSITY THAN WHEN WE'RE GOING DOWN TO THE C TWO C, UH, SPECIAL. RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS POINTING OUT WAS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CROSSOVER, THE USES THAT ARE LEFT OUT ARE MORE INTENSE BECAUSE HOW MANY PEOPLE, IF, IF YOU, [05:05:01] WELL, I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE HOTEL AND HOW MANY, BUT YOU DEFINITELY HAVE MORE CARS THERE. HOW MANY CARS ARE YOU ANTICIPATING? UH, ANY MORE THAN WHAT CURRENTLY IS COMING AND GOING? NO, THE, THE STAFF IS, IS A HUNDRED. IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE ON THREE SHIFTS. SO ROUGHLY 33 PEOPLE PER SHIFT, UM, GIVE OR TAKE. SO THAT IS, THOSE ARE THE CARS THAT ARE SHOWING UP EACH FOR EACH PART. AND FOR THE USE THAT'S THERE, THERE'S ALREADY PARKING PROVIDED FOR THOSE USES FOR THE CLASSROOM USES, OFFICE USES, RECREATION, THOSE, IT'S ALREADY BEEN PARKED TO HOLD THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. LAST CALL FOR, UH, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. UM, COMMISSIONER TOSEN, THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, THE QUESTIONS. UM, I'M GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS CASE, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UM, BEFORE I GET MY MOTION, UH, I WANNA OPEN IT UP FOR ACTUAL DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. ANY, UH, DISCUSSION? COMM UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? OKAY. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG AFTERNOON. THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT, SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOUR PERSPECTIVES ON THIS VERY, UH, DIFFICULT CASE. FOR MY PERSPECTIVE, I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS AS A HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S ADULTS OR IT'S PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS OR IT'S CHILDREN OR WHAT HAVE YOU. I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND YES, IT CAN BE INTENSE. AND WHEN I LOOK AT HAVEN FOR HOPE, I MEAN THEY ARE IN A PREDOMINANTLY C THREE AND INDUSTRIAL TYPE AREA. AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY A GOOD FIT FOR THAT CAMPUS IN TRYING TO, UM, PERHAPS PUT THAT, THAT INTENSITY IN AN AREA WHERE THERE IS ALREADY AN INTENSE USE. UM, WITH REGARD TO THE CASE WE HAD AT OUR LAST MEETING ON DIETRICH ROAD, AGAIN, PREDOMINANTLY THAT AREA WAS IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. AND THOUGH I WOULD'VE LIKED A LARGER BUFFER, I FELT LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THAT AREA WAS, AGAIN, INDUSTRIAL AND DOWN ZONING WAS APPROPRIATE AND THAT CAMPUS PROBABLY WAS A GOOD FIT THERE. I DON'T FIND THAT'S THE CASE HERE ON COMMERCE STREET. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE CHURCH AND YOUR MISSION AND WHAT YOU WANNA DO. IN 2008, WE WENT OUT AND WE REZONED THAT AREA 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS OVER THERE. WE WANTED TO MAKE IT AN ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT KIND OF AREA. AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S STILL WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO. I THINK THE CHURCH TOUCHED ON THAT WITH BUILDING THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND YOU'VE GOT AN AREA IN THERE FOR YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR PARISHIONERS TO COME IN AND ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE. BUT I THINK WE'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST TAKING A TOTAL LEFT TURN HERE TO GO DOWN THIS OTHER ROAD. AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IS A GOOD FIT WITH THAT COMMUNITY. UM, SO I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE, BUT I DON'T THINK I'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UM, I, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY TOO FOR COMING OUT. REALLY APPRECIATE IT, REALLY HEARING, APPRECIATE HEARING FROM EVERYBODY. THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN TODAY. NOT ALL OF IT THAT WE REALLY CAN CONSIDER IN THIS, BUT I APPRECIATED HEARING IT. UM, I AM LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE CASE. UM, THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. UM, I CANNOT GET PAST THE COMPARISON, UM, TO THE CASE LAST TIME. AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THE CHURCH OWNS THOSE PROPERTIES IN THE BACK. IT, IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME WITH COMO SUBSTITUTING FOR DIETRICH. AND I, I JUST, I, I'M JUST NOT GETTING THE INTENSITY ASPECT OF THIS. UM, I DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE ARGUMENT LAST TIME THAT WE SHOULD APPROVE IT, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S A DOWN ZONING 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALWAYS THE BEST WAY TO GO. UM, BUT THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT. AND, AND THIS IS A DOWN ZONING, SO IN THAT WAY IT'S, IT'S LESS INTENSE TO ME. UM, AND THEN ALSO THIS ACTUAL USE, THIS PARTICULAR USE WILL BE LESS INTENSE. UM, BUT LIKE, IT, IT, WHEN WE SAY INTENSITY, WE MEAN TRAFFIC AND NOISE AND POLLUTION AND NONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH THIS ONE. UM, 'CAUSE I KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW LONG I'VE BEEN HERE. I WAS HERE ON PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN WE DID THE A AND E DISTRICT. UM, I DON'T THINK THE A AND E DISTRICT HAS EVER WORKED OUT. I THINK IT'S BEEN PROBLEMATIC FROM THE START. AND I JUST SEE US IN CASE AFTER CASE REMOVING A AND E I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A CHANGE TO ONE A AND E BECOMES A DIFFERENT A AND E. IT'S JUST SORT OF SLOWLY DISAPPEARING. UM, UM, I I I REALLY WANTED TO THANK, UM, SHERLETTA. UH, I, I DON'T WANNA SUMMARIZE IT, BUT A BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU SAID REALLY HELPED ME TO THINK CLEARLY [05:10:01] ABOUT THIS. UM, AND, AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO, WITHOUT BEING DRAMATIC, I REALLY WANTED TO THANK DAVID, UM, AND YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE FISH. 'CAUSE I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT. AND IT WAS A GREAT STORY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, TO ME, NOT LIKE I ALWAYS KNOW THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT I HAVE TO GO WHAT'S RIGHT, UH, WITH THE RULE OF LAW. AND TO ME, THE NOTE IN THE FISH IS THE RULE OF LAW. AND, AND I DON'T SEE THAT THIS WOULD BE FAIR TO DENY THAT PARTICULAR ZONING REQUEST IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE. COMMISSIONER SIPES, I WOULD AGREE IN THAT THIS IS A, A, A VERY DIFFICULT CASE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THOSE THAT THAT CAME OUT. UM, I TOOK A LOT OF NOTES, UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY, THEY, UH, ALWAYS LIKED LEARNING NEW THINGS. UM, I DON'T SUPPORT THE, THE REZONING, UM, FOR A COUPLE REASONS. ONE, YES, THE AE THREE, YOU KNOW, THE AE DISTRICT HAS KIND OF NOT MET WHAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE, BUT THE INTENT WAS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND IN THERE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, WE, WE HAVE THAT S DESIGNATION, MEANING WE NEED JUST TO APPLY SPECIAL ATTENTION WHENEVER WE SEE THAT. SO IT'S NOT JUST A GUARANTEED, RIGHT? THAT YES, YOU CAN DO IT. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER NOT JUST, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE PARTICULAR, THE, I GUESS THE, THE, UH, PARTICULARS OF THE INDIVIDUAL SITE. UM, I LOOK AT WHAT IT COULD BECOME IN THE FUTURE IF WE APPROVE THE REZONING. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I, I THINK FOR THOSE THAT HAVE HEARD ME ENOUGH IS I'M ALWAYS SAYING, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. IT'S ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN FIVE YEARS WHEN YOU'RE NOT HERE. UM, AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE. AND SO, UM, AS I SEE IT, I CAN'T, UH, PROVE THE REZONING COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. UM, I ECHO SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS, UM, AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT, UM, TAKING TIME OUTTA YOUR DAY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC PROCESS. I THINK WE, WE ALL DID LEARN A LOT, UM, AND I DEFINITELY LEARNED THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. WHETHER YOU SPOKE OUT TODAY FOR OR AGAINST THIS CASE, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MANY FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE DOING SO MUCH TO HELP EACH OTHER OUT. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND I REALLY APPRECIATED LEARNING THAT. THAT BEING SAID, UM, OUR PURVIEW IS LAND USE, WHICH HAS BEEN STATED BY THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE FOCUSING ON. UM, THE SAN ANTONIO UNIFIED, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVIDES THAT AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING. SO THE CITY COUNCIL MUST CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA, CONSISTENCY WITH POLICIES AND OUR MASTER PLAN OF THE CITY OR APPLICABLE LAND USE ELEMENT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED PURSUANT TO PUBLIC PROCESS. SECOND, ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS. THIRD, SUITABILITY AS PRESENTLY ZONED FOURTH, HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE AND FIFTH PUBLIC POLICY. I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE ALSO BOUND TO CONSIDER THESE SAME ITEMS. SO I'M GONNA KIND OF ADDRESS EACH ONE BRIEFLY AS FAR AS CONSISTENCY GOES. UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE CAP CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS MIXED USE. AND I'M GONNA READ JUST A LITTLE BIT OF THE MIXED USE FROM THE, UM, ARENA DISTRICT AND EAST SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN. MIXED USE PROVIDES FOR A CONCENTRATED BLEND OF RESIDENTIAL, RETAIL, SERVICE, OFFICE, ENTERTAINMENT, LEISURE, AND OTHER RELATED USES TO CREATE A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY A WIDE RANGE OF FULFILLING EXPERIENCES IN ONE PLACE. IT, IT ALSO SAYS IT ALLOWS FOR A MIX OF USES IN THE SAME BUILDING OR IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS SMALL OFFICES, SMALL STOREFRONT RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS AND RESIDENTIAL USES. A MIXED TOWN USE CENTER PROVIDES A CENTRAL CIVIC FUNCTION WITH MIXED USES INCORPORATED INTO THE PERIPHERAL DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS PROPOSED REZONING MEETS THAT FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION. UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, [05:15:01] THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT CURRENT ZONING IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT, TRYING TO BRING IN, UM, RETAIL AND OTHER ENTERTAINMENT BASED USES. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS ALIGNS WITH THAT. SECONDLY, ADVERSE IMPACTS. I WAS PARTICULARLY STRUCK BY THE SPEAKER, UM, WHO SPOKE ABOUT HER FATHER BEING SHOT, UM, TWO DOORS DOWN FROM THIS PROPERTY. AND WHILE I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY THAT VISION QUEST'S OPERATION OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD CAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN, I DRIVE DOWN SAN PEDRO EVERY DAY PAST PLANNED PARENTHOOD. AND THAT'S ALSO A USE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE CONTROVERSIAL. THERE'S PEOPLE PROTESTING AND PICKETING EVERY DAY, AND THAT'S NOT AN AREA THAT HAS ANY RESIDENCES AROUND IT. IT'S A COMMERCIAL, STRICTLY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. AND I FEEL CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN WE'RE BRINGING IN NOT JUST A SHELTER FOR UNACCOMPANIED MINORS, BUT ALSO A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS WHERE WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER FACILITY LIKE HAVEN FOR HOPE OR ANY OF THE OTHER OPERATIONS LIKE THAT. IF YOU GO TO HAVEN FOR HOPE, WHILE IT'S A FANTASTIC FACILITY, IT'S VERY WELL RUN AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS. THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORING LANDS, RIGHT? AND, AND THAT'S ALSO NOT A RESIDENTIAL AREA, SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. UM, THE CHURCH DOES OWN THE LOTS BEHIND THIS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFER. UM, HOWEVER, THE CHURCH MAY NOT ALWAYS OWN THOSE LOTS, AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE. SO I HAVE A CONCERN THERE. UM, SUITABILITY IS PRESENTLY ZONED. I TOUCHED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENTS DISTRICT IS DESIGNED TO SUPPORT, AND THIS IS FROM THE CODE DESIGNED TO SUPPORT EXISTING ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT VENUES SUCH IN THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE NEARBY SSS B C CENTER, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO A TYPE OF COMMUNITY CENTER. SO I FEEL LIKE THE CURRENT USE AS A COMMUNITY CENTER IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT MIXED USE DISTRICT. UM, WE HAVE A, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HOST GATHERINGS AND EVENTS AND COME TO CELEBRATE THINGS. UM, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM A MORE INSTITUTIONAL USE WHERE WE ARE HOUSING PEOPLE IN NEED. HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. I'LL POINT BACK TO THE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BEING DRAWN HERE FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PROTESTING OR BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEKING SERVICES THERE. IF THIS WAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS IN THE FUTURE. UM, AND, AND JUST TO READ THE HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS DEFINITION, A COUPLE OF SNIPPETS FROM THAT. UM, MULTITUDE OF SERVICES INCLUDING EMERGENCY FOOD, MEDICAL OR SHELTER SERVICES, ANIMAL CARE FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, COMMUNITY HEALTHCARE CLINICS, INCLUDING THOSE THAT PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH CARE, ALCOHOL OR DRUG ABUSE SERVICES. AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER ONES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. UM, WHEN THIS CONTRACT ENDS, OR IF THE CHURCH WERE TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THIS WOULD BE A HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS THAT COULD PROVIDE ANY OF THOSE SERVICES AT THIS LOCATION. UM, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S APPROPRIATE HERE. REGARDLESS OF WHO THE PROVIDER IS AND HOW THEY'RE OPERATING, I DON'T SEE BRINGING THAT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS BEING AN APPROPRIATE USE. UM, IT'S ALREADY BEEN STATED HAVEN FOR HOPE, HIGHLY INDUSTRIAL, UM, VERY HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES. IN FACT, IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN SOME RAILROAD TRACKS, UM, PUBLIC POLICY. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING THE CITY'S PLAN FOR THE EAST SIDE, UM, AND DRIVING A CERTAIN TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. I THINK ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SPOKE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE CITY IS REALLY FOCUSING ON TRYING TO BRING A CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST SIDE. AND JUST AS IT'S STARTING TO GAIN SOME TRACTION AND THE CITY IS SEEING DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE THAT IT'S NEVER SEEN BEFORE, THAT IT HASN'T SEEN IN MANY YEARS. UM, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE KIND OF TAKING A LEFT TURN, AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID, AND GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND GOING BACK TO THIS IDEA AS THE RESIDENT STATED THAT THE EAST SIDE IS A DANGEROUS PLACE OR THAT IT'S A PLACE THAT IS, IS UNDESIRABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND FOR RESIDENCES. SO I FEEL THAT CREATING AN SUPPORTING THE CREATION OF AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY A WIDE RANGE OF FULFILLING EXPERIENCES IN ONE PLACE IS IMPORTANT. AND THE CITY FOUND THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOUND THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT WHEN THEY ADOPTED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, WHICH WAS PUT THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS. AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S OUR DUTY, MY OPINION, TO SUPPORT THAT. SO GIVEN ALL OF THESE REASONS AND POLICIES, I WILL NOT BE ABLE [05:20:01] TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED REZONING. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH, I, UM, I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT, THAT, THAT CAME OUT. I THINK WHENEVER, UH, WHENEVER YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT AN ISSUE AND YOU'RE WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE AND, AND SPEND THE TIME AND, AND MAKE THE EFFORT TO, TO COME OUT TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND, AND SIT HERE FOR, UH, HOWEVER MANY HOURS WE'VE BEEN AT IT, UM, I, UH, I DEFINITELY RESPECT THAT. UM, WITH THAT SAID, I GOTTA SAY THAT I'M, UH, I'M JUST DISAPPOINTED IN THE, UH, IN THE POLITICAL NATURE, UM, OF THE DEBATE. UM, IT IS SAD TO ME, UH, THAT POLITICS NOW SEEMS LIKE IT HAS TO BE A PART OF EVERY SINGLE DECISION WE MAKE. SAN ANTONIO DOES NOT HAVE TO BE WASHINGTON DC C IT'S SO POLARIZED UP THERE. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT HERE. WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT. WE'VE GOTTA BE BIGGER THAN THAT. AND WE SAT HERE TODAY, AND WHILE AGAIN, I RESPECT EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT CAME UP TO SPEAK, 95% OF THOSE, UM, THAT DID, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE MOSTLY POLITICAL POINTS. YOU KNOW, THE UNDERCURRENT OF THE IMMIGRATION BATTLE IN THIS COUNTRY WAS JUST SIMMERING THROUGH THIS ROOM FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR HOURS. POLITICS CANNOT BE THE END ALL AND BE ALL OF EVERY DECISION, UM, THAT'S MADE. UM, AS PEOPLE HAVE STATED HERE AND AS COMMISSIONER, UH, TOSIN, SO APTLY PUT WHEN WE STARTED THIS, UM, WE'RE HERE TO DECIDE A ZONING CASE, THAT'S IT, A ZONING CASE. AND BASED ON MY REVIEW, UM, OF THE FACTS OF THIS CASE, UM, SIDE WITH COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I THINK THAT THE, UH, BASED ON THE INTENSITY ISSUE, UM, I JUST THINK I WOULD MOVE TO, UH, TO SUPPORT, UH, THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE. UM, BUT AGAIN, I JUST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY THAT CAME, BUT I WANT TO ASK ALL OF THOSE IN HERE WHEN WE LEAVE TODAY. LET'S BE BIGGER THAN POLITICS. POLITICS ARE SMALL, OKAY? PEOPLE ARE BIG PEOPLE LOVE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT POLITICS WITH EVERY SINGLE DECISION THAT WE MAKE. AND I'M BASING THIS ON THE FACTS, AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, I'M GONNA HOPE THAT I CAN SAY SOMETHING WITHOUT A LOT OF THE SIDE COMMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE UP HERE DID THAT. WHEN WE LISTEN TO EACH ONE OF YOU SPEAK, AND I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF YOU COMING OUT TODAY, I THINK YOU SHOWED THE DIVERSITY IS IN VOICE. AND I THINK THE MORE WE REALIZE THAT WE ALL HAVE A VOICE AND WE ALL CAN RESPECT IT AND SIT HERE AND LISTEN, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE ON. I AM JUST, UH, BLOWN AWAY BY SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH. YOU ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE I'VE SEEN IN A VERY LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT THE NAME JESUS ON IT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT HERE AND YOUR HEART. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WHETHER, WHICHEVER WAY THIS GOES, IT'S GONNA CHANGE YOU. YOU'RE PRETTY SOLID, AREN'T YOU? AND I BET YOU DO A REALLY GOOD BOWLING SCORE TOO. UM, I DO NOT THINK THAT THE STAFF MADE AN, A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR ME TO SAY THAT THE BUFFER'S NOT THERE, OR THE INTENSITY IS THERE. I DID NOT, I CAN'T, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT THERE. HOW YOU HAVE IT ZONED RIGHT NOW IS MORE INTENSE THAN HOW YOU WILL ZONE IT. AS FAR AS I THINK I DID HEAR SOME CONCERNS, AND I'M ALWAYS KIND OF QUEUED INTO THIS, UM, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THE CRIME IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN LEVELS OF WHAT IS, WHAT IS, UH, TOO MUCH FOR THEM. UM, AND I APPRECIATE THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME. WE HAVE WAYS TO ADJUST THOSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BY BEING INVOLVED. JUST LIKE YOU WERE HERE TONIGHT. GET YOURSELVES ORGANIZED AND STAY INVOLVED. MAYBE GET C O P TRAINED OR HOWEVER YOU NEED TO DO THAT, AND WORK CLOSELY WITH YOUR SAFE OFFICERS SO THAT EVERYTHING REMAINS SAFE. BUT THIS IS A SAFE COMPOUND. THEY'RE BUILDING A SAFE COMPOUND IN THE ARMS OF SOME VERY LOVING PEOPLE. [05:25:02] I THINK THAT THE MISTAKE THAT WE'RE MAKING, AND I HOPE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T MAKE THIS MISTAKE, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UP TO THEM. BUT TO BRING A NATIONAL IDEA DOWN TO OUR LOCAL LEVEL, WE HURT OURSELVES. WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP OUR ISSUES LOCAL. WE HAVE OUR OWN TYPES OF PEOPLE AND, AND INDIVIDUALS AND RULES AND ORDINANCES. WE ARE UNIQUE. AND WE'RE NOT WASHINGTON LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE SAYS. UM, SO I WILL BE SUPPORT. I WOULD AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. I DO WANNA SAY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE MOST INTERESTING WAY TO READ THE WHAT DO YOU DO? READ THESE THINGS AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING. . I THINK THAT WAS A YES. SO , I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. I THINK YOU DO SUCH A LOVELY JOB OF HELPING US SEE ALL THE ORDINANCES FROM A VERY NICE PERSPECTIVE, AND I APPRECIATE THEM. UM, BUT I JUST DID NOT GET THE SENSE THAT THE STAFF MADE A CASE FOR INTENSITY AND THE BUFFER AND THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE. SO I'M GONNA STICK WITH MY, UM, SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE. AND I WISH EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, THE BEST OF COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UM, SO LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. UH, ONE THING I HOPE THAT WE ALL TAKE AWAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A MORAL ISSUE. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE. THIS IS A ZONING ISSUE BEFORE US TODAY. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, I HOPE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE PEOPLE FROM SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH ARE COMING FROM THE POSITION THEY BELIEVE TO BE MORALLY RIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT IN MY HEART, I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT ARE COMING FROM A POSITION THAT IS MORALLY RIGHT. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE HAD COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL AND COMMISSIONER O' MIDDLE BACK TO BACK AND TAKING OPPOSITE SIDES, AND I AGREED WITH SOME OF WHAT EACH OF THEM SAID. UH, HOWEVER, I THINK PART OF WHAT WE DO AS A CITIZEN ADVISORY BOARD IS TO BRING OUR OWN EXPERIENCES WITH US TO THIS AND TO BRING THAT BACKGROUND TO HELP ADVISE OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. AND THIS IS WHERE I FOUND COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S ANALYSIS QUITE COMPELLING AND PERSUASIVE. UM, AS I MENTIONED DURING QUESTIONING, I'VE SPENT SOME TIME WORKING WITH CHILDREN BEFORE OUR CHILDREN'S COURT HERE IN BEXAR COUNTY AND RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTERS, AND A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PLACEMENTS. AND I'LL TELL YOU, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS SITE, I DO SEE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT WE VOTED ON IN THE LAST MEETING FOR AN ADULT HOMELESS SHELTER AND A CHILDREN'S PLACEMENT. UM, AND PART OF WHAT I ALSO SEE, YOU KNOW, HAVING ATTENDED SERVICES AT SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH, HAVING BEEN TO THIS COMMUNITY CENTER AND HAVING DRIVEN THERE BY, LET'S SEE, BLUE LINE INDUSTRIAL, THERE'S ALAMO CITY TRUCK, THERE'S THE COCA-COLA DISTRIBUTOR. UH, THERE'S TWO LAUNDRY SERVICES ALL WITHIN A BLOCK OR TWO. AND THOSE TO ME, ARE VERY COMPELLING HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE ISSUES TO BE CONSIDERED AS WE TALK ABOUT CHILDREN. AND I BELIEVE THESE CHILDREN ARE AT RISK, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH WANTS TO HELP THEM IS 'CAUSE THEY WANT SEE THEMSELVES AS HELPING THESE AT RISK CHILDREN. BUT I SEE THIS LOCATION AS POSSIBLY ENDANGERING THEM WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC, THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TRAFFIC WHERE KIDS WHO ARE AT RISK, WHO, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT RUN AWAY AT THE SAME RATES AS CHILDREN IN A RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTER WITH D F P SS. BUT THAT CONCERNS ME. SO AS A RESULT, UH, I WILL BE OPPOSING THE ZONING CHANGE AND GO FROM THERE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. UM, I, UH, DEFINITELY AM, UM, VERY HEARTENED BY, UM, THE LEVEL OF COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION ON TODAY. UM, VERY HEARTENED BY, UM, YOU STANDING UP AND SPEAKING, UM, ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE. I DEFINITELY HOLD IN HIGH ESTEEM, UH, SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AND ITS MISSION, ITS HISTORY, UM, UM, HISTORY HERE IN OUR CITY, HISTORY IN MY LIFE. UM, SO I, UM, CERTAINLY DO, UH, THANK EVERYONE WHO CAME, WHO TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR DAY. [05:30:01] A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ARE REALLY SELF, UM, ABSORBED AND ONLY CAN SEE PAST WHAT YOU KNOW, INFLUENCES THEMSELF AND THEREFORE AND NO MORE. BUT TODAY YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE, UH, OF YOUR, UM, IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATE CONCERNS TO COME AND SPEAK OUT ON WHAT YOU, UH, BELIEVE IS RIGHT FOR UM, OTHERS. I WILL DEFINITELY SAY THAT, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE WANTED TO, UH, SAY, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS DONE A MARVELOUS JOB, AN EXTREMELY MARVELOUS JOB. UM, COM COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE HAVE SAID SOME OF THE THINGS. SO I WILL NOT, UM, REPEAT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, I WOULD A AGREE AS FAR AS THE AE THREE AND IT BEING AN ECONOMIC, UM, DEVELOPMENT GENERATOR, WHEREAS THIS, YOU KNOW, BESIDES BRINGING IN THE JOBS, UM, DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT IT WOULD, UM, BRING ABOUT THE SAME LEVEL OF ECONOMIC, UM, DEVELOPMENT GENERATION. UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THIS HUMAN SERVICES CAMPUS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER CAMPUSES BECAUSE THESE ARE, UM, CHILDREN AND IT'S NOT LIKE A BOARDING SCHOOL OR A SCHOOL BECAUSE THIS IS 24 7, WHEREAS OTHER SCHOOLS, UM, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MORE, UH, LIBERTIES AND MAYBE, UM, UH, FREEDOMS. UM, I KNOW THAT WE SAY THAT WE ARE NOT, UM, TO LOOK AT, UH, WELL REPUTATION OR, OR AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN INFERRED. BUT I'VE BEEN SITTING, UM, ON THIS, UH, ZONING COMMISSION, UM, FOR A WHILE NOW. AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE PAST I HAVE SEEN WHERE WE'VE CONSIDERED, OF COURSE, YES, PAST VIOLATIONS. YES, I KNOW THOSE ARE IN RELATION TO, UM, LAND USE, BUT I'VE HEARD THINGS, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, PRIOR CRIME, UH, BEING BROUGHT UP, DRUG USE IN CERTAIN CASES, WHETHER IT WAS GAMBLING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, ASSISTED LIVING, UH, CASES BEING BROUGHT BEFORE US, AND WHETHER THE REPUTATION OF WHOEVER WAS COMING AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD BE QUALITY OF LIFE, UM, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, UM, HAS BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, COMPANY REPUTATION. SO PAST DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US, I'VE HEARD, UM, THAT, UM, BEING, UH, DISCUSSED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN NECESSARILY DIVORCE THAT COMPLETELY. SO MAYBE I'M OUT OF LINE, BUT, UM, I, I, I'VE SEEN OTHER CASES WHERE WE HAVE, IN FACT, UM, SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS PART OF OUR DELIBERATION. I, UM, DON'T FEEL LIKE, UM, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING FUTURE USE, THAT, UM, THIS GOES IN CHARACTER WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, I WILL NOT BE IN SUPPORT ANY OTHER DIS OKAY. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER TOSEN. WELL, WELL, UH, AGAIN, THANK EVERYONE FOR, UH, ATTENDING TODAY AND VOICING YOUR, UH, OPINIONS AND CONCERNS. UH, BOTH UH, ON THE SIDE OF THE APPLICANT AND ALSO ON THE SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHETHER WITHIN THE DIRECT COMMUNITY OR WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, YOU KNOW, HEARING ALL SIDES FROM THE ZONING, UH, MY CONSTITUENTS HERE, UH, AND WEIGHING ALL FACTORS IN REGARDS TO OUR JOB HERE AT THE ZONING COMMISSION AND WHERE, UM, THE ZONING CURRENTLY IS IN THE FUTURE, AND THE MASTER PLAN OF THE COMMUNITY. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL ON THIS CASE. UM, AND YEAH. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND, UM, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER TOSON? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. AYE. MADAM [05:35:01] CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. AGAIN, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS COME OUT. I PRAY THAT YOUR TIME IS REDEEMED AND, UM, THAT YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. HEY, UM, WE'LL GIVE THE, UH, ROOM JUST A, A MOMENT TO CLEAR SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THE REST OF OUR, UH, AGENDA. MM-HMM. . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. JUST HAVE LIKE A MINUTE. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? OH, HER. I, HUH? OH, WE'RE ALMOST THERE. LET'S SEE. . THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. , IF WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE START LEAVING THE ROOM, WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS OF BUSINESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE BE CAREFUL OUT THERE. SO, WE'RE ABOUT TO, [23. 19-8021 Consideration and Approval of the October 15, 2019 Zoning Commission Minutes] UM, LOOK AT OUR, UM, OUR MINUTES. DID, DID ANYONE HAVE ANY, UM, CORRECTIONS OR FOR THE MINUTES? MM-HMM. ? MM-HMM. . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS READ. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE, UH, DIRECTOR'S, UM, VERY QUICK [Director's Report: Status of Appointments] DIRECTOR'S REPORT, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE STATUS ON THE REAPPOINTMENTS. THERE'S ONLY TWO LEFT. DISTRICT FIVE AND DISTRICT NINE. OKAY. I INQUIRED AND FOUND OUT THAT, THAT FINALLY GOT ITS APPROVAL, SO I CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THAT ALL FILLED OUT. SO THEN MAYBE THE WEBSITE HASN'T BEEN UPDATED YET FROM THE, FROM THE LAST ACTION, BUT, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'RE ALL GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT I'VE SUBMITTED MY APPLICATION. GREAT. SO IT'S NOT ON ME, RIGHT? THAT'S IT. NO, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S GETTING IT THROUGH TO, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL OFFICE TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO THE AGENDA. SO, SO LIKE IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AND THEY HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT, OR . I MEAN, I CAN'T PROMISE THAT I'D BE, YOU KNOW, APPROVED, BUT THAT'S . OKAY. WELL, IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UM, THANK YOU. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HEART. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. MAY YOUR RASPY REJUVENATING AND SWEET. SEE Y'ALL ON THE NEXT TIME THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.