* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] FOR DECEMBER 19TH, 2025 OF THE [9:00 AM – Call to Order] HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS PRESENT. GARCIA ARD. HERE. SPILLER FULLERTON? HERE. P*****K. HERE. VASQUEZ HERE. AND SEPULVEDA HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING, . THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JASON VASQUEZ, ACTING CHAIR. AND JUANITA VEDA IS THE CHAIR. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO REP TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO YIELD UP TO THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. AND ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. THE SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO OUR LAST HEARING OF THE YEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VOLUNTEERISM AND WORK THIS YEAR. UM, JUST A REMINDER, CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED BEGINNING DECEMBER 24TH, AND WE WILL NOT BE BACK UNTIL JANUARY 2ND. SO PLEASE PLAN ACCORDINGLY. UM, AND THEN OUR NEXT HEARING WILL BE, UM, THAT, UH, THIRD, UH, FRIDAY IN JANUARY. AND SO, UM, FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS RELATED TO THAT IS APPROVAL OF, UM, ACTUALLY LET'S GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER HERE. THE APPROVAL OF THE SCHEDULE OF MEETING, UM, FOR 2026. UM, I, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PULLED UP, BUT IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT, BUT WE DO NEED AN ACTION ON THE CALENDAR. SURE. IS THE, THE SCHEDULED THE SAME ESSENTIALLY, SO IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE FRIDAY FOLLOWING THE SECOND HCRC HEARING OF THE MONTH. . GREAT. CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE? TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT YEAR? I MOVE TO, UH, ACCEPT THE SCHEDULE. APPROVE IT. SECOND. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. REGARD? AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. PAUL AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. SO YEAH, JUST TO POINT OUT, WE'LL SEE YOU ALL AGAIN ON JANUARY 23RD AND IF YOU ARE NEEDING TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO MAKE THAT HEARING, UM, THE DEADLINE WILL BE JANUARY 2ND. UM, SO AFTER THAT WE CAN DO APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM, UH, NOVEMBER 21ST. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 21ST, 2025 MEETING? I MOVE, I SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, DAVIS? AYE REGARD? AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ [00:05:01] AYE. AND SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, IF YOU WANT TO DRAW OUR ATTENTIONS TO THE SCREENS HERE, UM, WE HAVE JUST ONE ITEM ON TODAY'S CONSENT [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] AGENDA, 4 0 6 NORTH PINE. UH, WE DO HAVE A, A VOICEMAIL WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE CAN PLAY NOW. HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN FOR 4 0 6 NORTH PINE HCRC, CASE NUMBER THREE 30. WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE 24 INCH CONCRETE RETAINING WALL WITH A FEATURED TERRACE. WE ARE ALSO ASKING STAFF AND CA COMMISSIONERS TO STIPULATE THAT THE CONCRETE PAVERS CURRENTLY ACTING AS THE FRONT WALKWAY TO THE FRONT PORCH BE REPLACED WITH A CONTINUOUS CEMENT WALKWAY. WE'RE NOT SURE IF THIS WAS EVER APPROVED, BUT THEY DO NOT MEET OHP GUIDELINES IF THE CONTINUOUS FRONT WALKWAY IS ADDED AS A STIPULATION, WE ASK THAT STAFF BE DILIGENT IN ENSURING THE APPLICANT GETS THIS COMPLETED AND THAT STAFF IS DILIGENT AND DOCUMENTED THIS ADDED STIPULATION SO IT'S NOT TO CAUSE CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS, AND SO WE JUST NEED A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE. BEFORE WE GO FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF THAT, IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PULL THIS ITEM FROM CONSENT AGENDA? JUANITA OR MADAM CHAIR? UM, ON THE STIPULATIONS THAT THEY WERE STATING, CAN I HEAR FROM THE STAFF, UH, WHAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE, IN THE MESSAGE? YEAH. UM, SO YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE HCRC PROBABLY ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE PAVERS, UH, WERE INSTALLED AROUND THEN. I, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF THAT WAS PART OF THE APPROVED SITE PLAN OR NOT. I, I THINK THAT IT WAS, UM, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY. SO YOU CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO RETROACTIVELY DO SOMETHING TO GET APPROVAL FOR WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A VIOLATION. SAY THAT AGAIN, ADRIAN. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A VIOLATION. I THINK THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. OKAY. IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN SO MOVED AS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF ON, UH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER STATEMENT. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. YOU CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, DAVIS. AYE REGARD? AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. P*****K? AYE. VASQUEZ? AYE. SEPULVEDA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOUR ADDRESS IS 4 0 6 NORTH PINE STREET, UH, YOUR, YOUR, UH, CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING, YOUR CASE MANAGER WILL BE IN TOUCH, UH, WITH YOU, UH, WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] NUMBER TWO FOR CTAP CASE 2025 DASH 3 3 6 FOR 1 0 0 9 BURNETT STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO FIRST REPLACE EXISTING FRONT PORCH DECK, DECORATIVE WOOD COLUMNS AND PILASTER WITH WOOD POSTS FEATURING A SQUARE PROFILE AND TO REMOVE THE FRONT PORCH BALUSTRADE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PORCH COLUMNS BE REPLACED IN KIND AND FEATURE A PROFILE DIMENSIONS AND DETAIL THAT MATCH THE ORIGINAL PORCH COLUMNS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE BALUSTRADE BE REPLACED IN KIND WITH BALLISTERS THAT MATCH THE ORIGINAL IN TERMS OF MATERIALS SPACING, PROFILE DIMENSIONS, FINISH, AND HEIGHT OF THE RAILING. THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, UM, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM THAT WE'LL LISTEN TO AFTER THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS, OH, OKAY. MY NAME IS JIMMY ESPINOZA. UM, THIS IS MY FIRST EXPERIENCE HERE. UM, SO ALL I WANTED TO SAY WAS IF I, I WAS THE ONE WHO INITIATED ALL THE CHANGES, UM, FOR THE FACT THAT MY BROTHER, HE'S ALREADY HAD TWO STROKES AND HE'S ON A FIXED INCOME, SO [00:10:01] I WAS TRYING TO HELP HIM. THE MAIN REASON WHY I DID THIS IS BECAUSE THE INSURANCE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T, UM, GIVE HIM INSURANCE ON THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT IT WAS IN. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I DID THAT. NOW, IF I WAS WRONG, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I DID IT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T INSURE HIS HOUSE AND I DIDN'T WANT TO, I DIDN'T WANT HIM TO GO WITHOUT INSURANCE. AND I HAVE THE PAPERWORK HERE FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY GAVE ME 30 DAYS OR GAVE US 30 DAYS. SO THAT'S WHY I DID IT. THANK YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, WE'RE GONNA PLAY VOICEMAIL FIRST. THANK YOU. JUST A MINUTE, SIR. WON'T BE AT YOU IN A MOMENT. FRANCOISE CHAIRPERSON OF THE DINWOODY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN FOR 1009 BURNETT STREET, HGRC, CASE NUMBER 3 3 6. WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE THIS APPLICATION UNTIL ALL PORCH COLUMNS ARE REPLACED IN KIND AND FEATURE THE PROFILE DIMENSIONS AND DETAIL THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL PORCH COLUMNS AND THAT THE BALUSTRADE BE REPLACING KIND WITH BALLISTERS THAT MATCH THE ORIGINAL IN TERMS OF MATERIAL SPACING, PROFILE, DIMENSION, FINISH AND HEIGHT. THESE DECORATIVE DETAILS ARE WHAT SEPARATES HOUSES IN SYDNEY, WHI HILL, AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS IN GENERAL FROM ALL OTHER HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS. THEY SHOULD ALWAYS BE SAVED TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THESE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU. IS THAT ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. GREAT, THANK YOU. I'LL START WITH THE QUESTIONS FROM MY ONLINE, UH, MADAM CHAIR. UH, YES STAFF ON THIS ONE. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, TO THE APPLICATION? OKAY. AND I WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR RECOMMENDATION. CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE? THANK YOU. SO MY QUESTION FOR THIS, UM, SIR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND ADVOCATING FOR YOUR BROTHER. UM, WE WISH WE HAD MORE FAMILY WHO HAD DID THAT. HOWEVER, YOU DO KNOW THAT YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF THEIR GUIDANCE, BUT I, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL STAFF THAT I KNOW WILL, WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH YOU AND STAFF AS FAR AS THIS IS CONCERNED. DOES THE PORCH MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE RECONSTRUCTED, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. UM, YES. YES, MADAM CHAIR. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE REQUESTING AGAIN, IS JUST THE COLUMNS AND THE BALUSTRADE. EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE VIEWING AS AN IN-KIND, UH, REPAIR. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LEAVING EVERYTHING ELSE AS IS. OKAY. SO, SIR, JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, AND THIS IS, I'M ADDRESSING THE STAFF AS LONG AS THEY, HE GETS THE BALLISTERS AS CLOSE AS TO THE ORIGINAL IMAGE AND HE PUTS THE, THE, THE RAILING BACK WITH THE SAME HEIGHT AND IS CLOSEST TO THE ORIGINAL IMAGE THAT HE'S IN COMPLIANCE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY CLARIFICATION I NEEDED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COMMISSIONERS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. FIRST OFF, I I WANNA ECHO MADAM CHAIR'S COMMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND, UM, YOUR COMPASSION FOR YOUR BROTHER AND FOR THE HOUSE IS COMMENDABLE, SO THANK YOU. AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, UH, DID YOU, DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE STIPULATIONS AND REGULATIONS OF LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT PRIOR TO STARTING THESE RENOVATIONS? NO. ARE YOU WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO, UH, UH, CHA UH, WORK WITH THEM TO ADHERE TO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY PUT IN THEIR, IN THEIR, YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. MAY I SAY SOMETHING? IF THE INSURANCE WOULD'VE APPROVED IT LIKE THAT, I WOULD'VE LEFT IT ALONE. I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ANY CHANGES, YOU KNOW? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT REALLY THE ONLY THING WE'RE REALLY NOT AGREEING ON IS THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF, OF, OF THE ADDITIONS OR THE CHANGES HE MADE? THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. SO IF WE LOOK AT, UM, AGAIN, A GOOGLE STREET VIEW, I THINK THIS ONE IS BETTER THAN THE, UM, THAN THE INSURANCE PICTURES WE HAVE IN THE CASE FILE. SO HERE WE CAN SEE THAT THE COLUMNS AS WELL AS [00:15:01] THE BAST TRADE OR WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS HOME, THESE PORCH COLUMNS ARE, UM, A LITTLE BIT ATYPICAL. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SEE THEM AS AGAIN, CHARACTER DEFINING. GREAT, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. I, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. CAN WE LOOK AT THE, AT THE, AT THE SIDE BY SIDE IMAGE OF THE, OF THE BALLISTERS, UM, MADAM CHAIR, THE, THE BALLAST TRADE, AS YOU KNOW IT, IT'S RIGHT HERE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT IN GOOGLE STREET VIEW. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE, THE POSTS. SO HE ADDED ACTUALLY MORE SUPPORT, DIDN'T HE? IT LOOKS LIKE HE ADDED MORE SUPPORT, ACTUALLY. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, UH, JIMMY WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, MADAM CHAIR'S QUESTION? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. 'CAUSE UM, I MEAN THIS WAS MY FRIEND WHO DID IT, SO, OKAY. I, I JUST ASKED HIM TO, TO REPLACE THE, THE PORCH ROOF, YOU KNOW. OKAY. YEAH. BUT I DIDN'T ASK HIM TO, TO TAKE OFF THE RAIL. I GUESS HE DID IT BECAUSE HE HAD TO. I, I DON'T KNOW. NO, I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT FROM, FROM THE PICTURE THAT WE'VE GOT FROM THE STREET VIEW AND THE IMAGE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING, IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR FRIEND ACTUALLY ADDED ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STAFF IS SAYING, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. AND ADRIAN, WOULD YOU MIND, UH, EDUCATING US ON WHAT A BALU STRAIT IS? SURE. SO THE BALUT STRAIT IS THE RAILING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE IS THE BALUSTER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PORCH RAILING, YOU KNOW, UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, UH, THE, UM, THE COLUMNS AND THE PILE LEERS. GREAT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANNA BE SURE EVERYONE IS, UH, UP TO SPEED ON WHAT SPECIFICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SURE. UM, GO AHEAD CHRIS. THANK YOU. UH, MY, MY HEART GOES OUT TO YOUR BROTHER. UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING AND YOUR FRIEND AND HELPING HIM. UM, IT, IT, IT'S REALLY A REMARKABLE HOUSE. UM, AND, UH, EVERYTHING FROM, UH, THE, THE UNUSUAL, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT TO CALL IT, A, A WINDOW OR A G UH, OR A OR NOOK IN THE, IN THE GABLE. UM, AND THEN THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES, THE ORIGINAL ONES HAVE THIS REMARKABLE, UM, VERY THIN ATTENUATED STYLE WHERE IT ACTUALLY GETS NARROWER AS IT GOES DOWN. UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT GIVES THE HOUSE, UH, IN PARTICULAR EXTRA CHARACTER THAT YOU DON'T EVEN SEE ON THE TWO HOUSES ADJACENT. UM, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE, THE BRACKETS AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMNS. IT, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE, THE NEWER PHOTOS. UM, WERE THOSE ABLE TO BE RECYCLED OR IS THAT A, A DIFFERENT KIND? AND IF, IF THEY'RE NOT THE ORIGINAL, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER YOUR FRIEND MIGHT STILL HAVE THEM FOR AN EXAMPLE? I, I KNOW THEY'RE THE SAME ONE. OH, I'M ASKING. UM, I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW THAT, UM, WHATEVER HE, HE TOOK OUT, I HAD HIM DUMP IT IN MY DUMPSTER. UM, SO I MORE THAN LIKELY, NO, I, IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN THIS, I WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, MADE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD'VE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. THIS A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. UM, UH, AND I'M, I'M GETTING MY CPS AND MY SAWS AND MY OHP PROGRAMS MIXED UP. UM, IS THERE A PROGRAM THROUGH SOME OF THE HISTORIC TRADES PROGRAMS WHERE SOME OF THE TRADE STUDENTS AS PART OF THEIR TRAINING CAN HELP REPLICATE BRACKETS AND THAT KIND OF, AND COLUMNS THAT HAVE UNUSUAL SHAPES POTENTIALLY? UM, SO WE DO HAVE A LIVING HERITAGE TRADES ACADEMY, UM, THAT IS AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM. AND SO THERE IS SOME HANDS-ON JOB TRAINING. UH, THE LOCATIONS WHERE THOSE OCCUR ARE A FEW PLACES WHERE WE HAVE SOME EXISTING AGREEMENTS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, I WOULDN'T RULE IT OUT, BUT I CAN'T SAY LIKE, YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. UM, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN, UM, AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMPLIANCE AND LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS, UM, WORK TOWARDS. AND ONE, ONE FINAL COMMENT. UM, I'M HOPEFUL MAYBE IF SOMETHING CAN, UH, BE, BE PUT TOGETHER THROUGH THIS OR A SIMILAR PROGRAM, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO COMING UP WITH AN IDEA OF, OF WHAT A, A POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT BRACKET WOULD LOOK LIKE AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN, PERHAPS YOUR BROTHER HAS SOME FAMILY PHOTOS OF THEM IN THE FRONT YARD THAT WOULD HAVE A PRETTY DECENT RESOLUTION OF WHAT THE BRACKETS USED TO LOOK LIKE. UM, SO THAT MIGHT BE A, A POTENTIAL TEMPLATE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SUCH A, A UNIQUE DEFINING FEATURE OF, OF [00:20:01] YOUR BROTHER'S HOUSE. IT WOULD BE PRETTY COOL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ONLINE OR HERE IN THE ROOM? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, UH, CAN ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT A STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE. BEARD? AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. P*****K. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU SIR. PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE NEXT STEPS. SO I, I NEED TO REPLACE THEM AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU A CALL TOMORROW, TODAY OR MONDAY. OKAY? WILL DO. I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT CASE. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, CTAP CASE. I APOLOGIZE. EXCUSE ME. UM, BEFORE HE TAKES OFF TOO FAR, IS SOMEONE GONNA GONNA CATCH YOU? 'CAUSE I THINK HE, I HOPE HE DIS DIS MISUNDERSTAND THAT HE HAS TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE THING, THE ENTIRE POST. UM, N NO MADAM CHAIR. SO WE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS IT'S WRITTEN, UM, I I I I'M PRETTY SURE HE UNDERSTOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, IS WHAT WAS VOTED ON. AND THEN, UM, AS SOON, YOU KNOW, THIS AFTERNOON, I'LL GIVE HIM A CALL AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT HE UNDERSTOOD. SO I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT HE'S, HE'S AWARE. , I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. MY APOLOGIES FOR INTERRUPTION. N NOT A PROBLEM. UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CT EP CASE 20 25 3 4 1 FOR THREE 14 SADIE STREET. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REPLACE FOUR HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND REPLACEMENT OF THE FOUR HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS. THE EXISTING, UH, WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPAIRED AND RETROFITTED CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. THE APPLICANT MAY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION DURING THE REPAIR PROCESS TO DEMONSTRATE THE PHYS. THE FEASIBILITY OF RETAINING ORIGINAL MATERIALS IN KIND REPLACEMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THERE IS, UM, AN, UH, AN FILE IN THE LATE FOLDER RELATING TO THIS REQUEST. AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE. HE HAD NOT CONFIRMED. NO, I DON'T. OH, HOLD ON. MR. ROSENTHAL, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK. HI, I'M, I'M HERE. PERFECT. UM, SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR ATTENDANCE. UM, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR REQUEST AND THEN AFTER WHICH, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY ASK QUESTIONS. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROCEED, I CAN, UH, SCROLL THROUGH THE, UM, THE SLIDES. THANK YOU. SURE. YEAH, I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT WAS MORE AN ISSUE OF TRYING TO GET, UM, SOMETHING HISTORICALLY ACCURATE OF COURSE, BUT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BETTER INSULATION, UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE THINKING. THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH THAT I HAVE TO PRESENT OTHER THAN, THAN THAT, HONESTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? MADAM CHAIR? ACTUALLY, I, I, I JUST, THIS IS FOR STAFF AND THANK YOU SIR FOR BEING ONLINE. UM, OF COURSE, I I LOVE THE FACT THAT THESE WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY SALVAGEABLE AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO GUIDE THE, THE OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT AS BAD AS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN. BUT THE OTHER QUESTION I KIND OF HAVE BECAUSE, UM, THE APPLICANT MADE A CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TEMPERATURES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAYBE REFER HIM TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS WITH WEATHERIZATION, UM, TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERN? 'CAUSE I KNOW WITH RESTORING THESE WINDOWS, IT'LL HELP AND I, I ALWAYS LOVE HOW STAFF IS ABLE TO FIND THOSE RESOURCES FOR THEM. BUT IF, IF, IF, UM, TEMPERATURES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IS THERE ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT WE CAN REFER 'EM TO FOR WEATHERIZATION? 'CAUSE I'M SURE THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO. YES. WELL, I THINK, I THINK WE CAN REFER HIM TO THOSE RESOURCES. SO WE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF STUDIES AND THERE'S SOME, UH, LOCAL VENDORS THAT WE'RE AWARE OF THROUGH OUR HOME REPAIR FAIR, UM, THAT DO WEATHERIZATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN WE HAD THAT, THAT TESTIFIED LAST MONTH. [00:25:02] OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, I JUST, I WAS JUST THINKING BECAUSE THE APPLICANT BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN WITH, YOU KNOW, TEMPERATURES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT HIS WINDOWS ARE REALLY, ARE, ARE IN FAIRLY REALLY GOOD CONDITION. MUCH BETTER THAN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS SEEN. AND THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT JOB ON THAT STAFF. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR IN PERSON. ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE. OH, NO, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION. UM, MADAM CHAIR, ANYTHING FURTHER IF OR, UH, IN PERSON? NO, I JUST SO MOVED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE STAFF AND FOR THE, UH, YES. RECOMMENDATION WITH THE STAFF. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ALREADY. UM, IS THERE A SECOND? UH, I HAVE A, I I WILL SECOND, BUT I HAVE A COMMENT. UH, GO AHEAD PLEASE. OKAY. UH, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT I THINK THE WINDOWS ARE IN REALLY GOOD SALVAGEABLE CONDITION. SO DEPENDING ON HOW THE VOTE GOES, I HOPE THAT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO, UM, YEAH, I, BECAUSE I THINK THE WINDOWS LOOK GREAT, BUT I SECOND GREAT, THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE REGARD? AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. P*****K AYE. VASQUEZ AYE AND SE THOUGH? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON YOUR NEXT STEPS. OKAY. WILL SOMEBODY BE IN TOUCH THEN, OR YES. YES, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT CASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CTAP CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 3 33 1 28 HERMINE BOULEVARD. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 30 INCH FRONT YARD WOOD PICKET FENCE FEATURING AN ATTACHED 18 INCH CONCRETE RETAINING WALL AND A THREE FOOT TALL PEDESTRIAN GATE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON THE FINDINGS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE EXISTING OPEN YARD DESIGN IF THE CTAP APPROVES THE REQUEST IS PRESENTED. THE APPLICANT MUST OBTAIN A PERMIT FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND ADHERE TO UDC REQUIREMENTS REGARDING INSTALLATION OF FENCING AND A RETAINING A WALL WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF APPLICABLE. THE APPLICANT, ELENA MARTINEZ IS HERE VIRTUALLY. AND, UM, ELENA, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND PULL UP YOUR PRESENTATION. JUST GIVE US, UH, A, A FEW MINUTES OR A FEW SECONDS. OKAY. SO NOW IT'S PULLED UP. UM, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES AND JUST, UH, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND EVERYONE, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AS THIS IS THE, THE LAST MEETING. I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, MY HUSBAND AND I RESIDE AT 1 2 8 HERON BOULEVARD, AND WE ARE ASKING, UH, FOR A FRONT RETAINING WALL AND FOUR AND A THREE FOOT TEETER FENCE PROPOSAL. AND, UM, WE HAD GREAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE STAFF ON REVIEW OF OUR APPLICATION, AND THEY PROVIDED US, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TODAY'S HEARING. AND I'M HERE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONTEXT TO THE COMMITTEE, UM, INCLUDING DISTRICT PRECEDENT, NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, AND WHY THIS PROPOSAL MEETS BOTH THE LETTER AND INTENT OF THE HISTORICAL DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF OUR EXISTING HOME. IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL HOME IN ALMOST PARK TERRACE. BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE HOME, THERE WERE, UM, RENOVATIONS IN COMPLIANCE WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WERE PERFORMED. UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THIS, THIS DOES HAVE A, A GRADING AND SLOPING ISSUE, UM, THAT HAS BEEN IMPROVED WITH, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THE GRASS. UH, THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A STEEP GRADE AS MY ELDERLY PARENTS WOULD ATTEST TO, UM, AROUND THE, THE STAIRS. AND THERE IS EROSION THAT WE, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED TO ELIMINATE. UM, WE DO SEE THIS AS A TRIPPING HAZARD WITH COLLAPSING EDGES. THERE CAN BE POOLING OF STORM WATER AROUND THE AREA. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH, THERE'S NO DEFINED BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE YARD AND THE PUBLIC STREET. UM, HOWEVER, THIS HOME, AS YOU KNOW, AS PRESENTED DOES IS VISIBLE, IS OPEN, AND OUR PROPOSAL WOULD PRESERVE THAT OPENNESS. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THE PROPOSAL DESIGN SUMMARY THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE STAFF, AND THIS IS JUST MYSELF. I'M, I'M AN ATTORNEY, BUT I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT FOR DESIGN. SO I DID THIS THE BEST I COULD. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOWCASE IN THIS DESIGN IS THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR A 18 INCH SMOOTH FORM CONCRETE, [00:30:01] CONCRETE RETAINING WALL. AND THAT'S TO PREVENT THE EROSION AND TO ADDRESS THAT SLOPING ISSUE WE HAVE IN THE FRONT. AND THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR THE FRONT PORTION OF IT. AND THEN A 30 INCH VERTICAL CEDAR FENCE MOUNTED ABOVE. SO THE TOTAL WOULD BE A FOUR FOOT, WHICH IS WHAT IS ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THE FENCE WOULD BE TRANSPARENT, IT WOULD BE LOW IN SCALE, AND IT WOULD MAINTAIN FULL VISIBILITY OF THE HOME. UM, THIS IS TO ADDRESS BOTH THE SLOPING ISSUES THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED WHEN WE'VE LIVED THERE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED, UM, SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE. AND I'LL GO INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL LATER. UH, BUT THIS DOES CREATE A MODEST LANDSCAPE EDGE. IT PROVIDES A CLEAN COMPATIBLE ENHANCEMENT THAT BLENDS, I BELIEVE, SEAMLESSLY WITHIN THE STORE CHARACTER OF ALMOST PARK TERRACE. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, SO WHY RETAINING WALL, UM, BACK IN THE 1930S AND FORTIES, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS BETTER THAN I, BUT I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND HAVE FOUND THAT THEY WERE NOT LOOKING INTO GRADING ISSUES. UM, SO NOW THIS, THIS SLOPE DOES PROVIDE SOME CONCERN STRUCTURALLY AND, AND SAFETY WISE. AND AS A LITIGATION ATTORNEY, UM, WE KNOW YOU WANNA BE VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS OF HOW YOUR HOME IS MAINTAINED FOR PEOPLE ES PEOPLE COMING UP ON YOUR PORCH. AND SO THAT IS BEEN A CONCERN OF OURS. THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN MOUNTING SINCE WE'VE HAD VISIBLY SEEN SOME ISSUES WITH SAFETY OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GO UP THE GRASS AREA, UM, WHICH IS NOT THE SAFEST WAY TO GO UP IF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF MOBILITY ISSUES. UM, ALSO IT STABILIZES THE SOIL, IT PREVENTS RUNOFF. AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE A VERY LOW MODEST, UM, PURELY FUNCTIONAL, UH, RETAINING WALL. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, AGAIN, FOR THE DEFENSE ITSELF, IT WOULD BE, UM, COMPLIANT FOREFOOT, IT'D BE TRANSPARENT. WE'D BE USING NATURAL MATERIALS AND IT WOULD BE MOST IMPORTANTLY, SUBORDINATE TO THE HOME. AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE SITE ELEMENTS AND FENCE POLICY GUIDE THAT WE, THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING WHEN DESIGNING THIS. AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, THE STAFF, UH, AS SHARED, DOES NOT, UM, RECOMMEND THIS. AND THEY, THEY DID PROVIDE THAT THEIR CITING ELEMENT TWO BII AVOID INSTALLING A FENCE OR WALL WHERE ONE DID NOT HISTORICALLY EXIST, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE FRONT YARD. OOPT DOES NOT, DOES NOT HISTORICALLY FEATURE FRONT YARD FENCES. AND I'LL HAVE SOME REFERENCES, UM, THAT DOES SUPPORT THAT HISTORIC, THAT THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THIS POSITION. BUT I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, AND YOU, YOU COULD SEE FROM MY, MY DESIGN THAT IT'S NOT A TALL WALL, THE RETAINING WALL, UM, IT'S NOT OPAQUE, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY DOMINANT. UM, IT IS NOT ATTEMPT TO CREATE ANY TYPE OF STORE CONDITION THAT DID NOT EXIST. IT IS VERY SIMPLY A FOUR FOOT, FOUR FOOT OPEN FUNDS, UM, WITHIN THE PERMITTED HEIGHT SUBORDINATE TO THE HOME. AND WE BELIEVE IT'S COMPLIANCE WITH THE, THE GUIDELINES. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, POLICY INTERPRETATION VERSUS POLICY INTENT. UM, AS, AS AN ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT THAT TO COMMITTEE AS WELL. UH, SO FIRST I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THE POLICY, UM, AND, AND SUPPORT IT AS WELL LIVING IN HISTORIC COMMUNITY THAT WE WANNA PREVENT IN TALL, INTRUSIVE, HISTORICALLY INACCURATE FEATURES THAT DISRUPT THE RHYTHM OF THE, THE AREA. AND, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. HOWEVER, THE POLICY DOES NOT PROHIBIT MODEST LOW HEIGHT OPEN FENCES, SAFETY DRIVEN RETAINING STRUCTURES DUE TO MODERN GRADY ISSUES AND, UH, CHANGES IN DRIVING AND STREET, STREET, UM, CONDITIONS AND NEW FENCES THAT ARE, HAVE COMPATIBLE MATERIALS THAT ARE TRANSPARENT AND, UM, MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT OUR PROPOSAL DOES MEET THESE GUIDELINES AND WE CAN GO TO, UM, THE NEXT PHOTO. AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST, I JUST REITERATED MY DESIGN HERE, UM, THAT IT'S NOT TO OBSCURE THE FACADE OR ALTER THE STREET, HISTORIC STREET, STREET GATE. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE DESIGN, IT IS NOT GONNA OBSTRUCT ANY OF THE WINDOWS OR THE PORCH OR ANY ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. UM, IN FACT, I, I ESTIMATED THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THE HOME WILL STILL REMAIN, UM, VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND THE CEDAR PICKETS WILL BE MORE THAN SAY, 5% VISIBLE. AND THEN I DID HAVE A, UM, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ON NINE LANE [00:35:01] DRIVE, 180 1. THIS IS A SIMILAR FEATURE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW. THEY, THEY USE LOW, UH, THEY USE A LOW WROUGHT IRON FENCE WITH A STONE RETAINING. UM, BUT WE KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY YOU CAN USE A LOW OPEN WOOD PICKET FENCE OR A GARDEN LOOP METAL FENCE. AND THE REASON WE CHOSE THE PICKET FENCE WAS WE FELT THAT IT'D BE MORE IN LINE WITH OUR HOME, BUT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH THE STAFF IF THERE ARE SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS HOME REMAINS COMPLETELY VISIBLE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT TAKES AWAY AT ALL FROM THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME ITSELF, UM, WITH HAVING THAT FENCE. AND THAT'S AT 180 1 MENTALLY DRIVE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE RETAINING WALLS, WE CAN GO, OH, I'M SORRY. IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I APOLOGIZE. AND THAT'S THE ONE I WAS REFERENCING, UM, AT 180 1 9 11 DRIVE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OUR DESIGN, EXCEPT THAT WE'D BE USING A SMOOTH STRUCTURE FOR THE RETAINING AND A PICKET FENCE AND A CEDAR PICKET FUNDS. AND AGAIN, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE STAFF. I FELT THAT THIS HOME ILLUSTRATES THAT THE VISIBILITY RETAINED HISTORIC FLOW OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RETAINED. AND AS WE KNOW, UM, PER THE POLICY FENCE GUIDELINES AND CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT, THESE TYPES OF FENCES HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN ALLOWED AND WERE COMMON IN THE 1930S AND FORTIES. AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WE ALSO HAVE, AND IT'S ALSO FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY ON MY STREET, JUST A COUPLE HOUSES DOWN. YOU CAN SEE WE DO HAVE RETAINING WALLS AND THE VARIATIONS OF RETAINING WALLS. UM, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE EROSION AND GRADING ISSUES. AND THIS HAS HELPED TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, STABILIZE THAT SOIL IN THAT AREA. AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, REGARDING PRECEDENT, UM, I, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS BECAUSE THAT'S MY, ONE OF MY FORTE HAS BEEN AN ATTORNEY. WE DO RESEARCH, WE TRY TO FIND PRECEDENT, UM, TO ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, SO HISTORY'S HISTORIC ABSENCE. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS HISTORICALLY PROHIBITED. AND THE DISTRICT HAS PRECEDENTS FOR FRONT YARD FENCES ACROSS MULTIPLE YEARS. C-T-A-B-H-D-R-C AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED AND IN SOME CASES APPROVED OR PROVIDE EXCEPTIONS TO FRONT YARD FENCES IN HOMELESS PARK TARIFF. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NOTES BACK, UH, FOR OUR HOME AT 2 93 LAVERA BOULEVARD, A REQUEST INCLUDING A FRONT YARD FENCE AND GATE WITH FORMERLY REVIEWED, UM, BY HDRC AT 2025 DASH 1 53. IF YOU LOOK AT CASE 1 31 LAVERA BOULEVARD, THE CITY REVIEWED A FRONT YARD FENCE AND HDRC CASE 2021 DASH ZERO FIVE. IF YOU LOOK AT CASE BO, A CASE 24 DASH 1 0 3 0 0 1 6 6, A REQUEST WAS CONSIDERED FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO EXCEED MAXIMUM FRONT YARD FENCE HEIGHT WITHIN ALMOST PARK TERRACE AND A-C-T-A-B MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 21ST, 2025. THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED A FRONT YARD FENCE REQUEST IN ALMOST PARK TERRACE ACCOMPANIED BY, UH, COMMUNITY CORRESPONDENCE. I JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, UH, FRONT YARD OFFENSES IN THIS DISTRICT ARE NOT UNPRECEDENTED. THEY'RE NOT CATEGORICALLY BANNED, AND THEY HAVE BEEN REVIEWED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S APPROACH TO PRESERVATION. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND I'M ALMOST FINISHED. UM, I DID CANVAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WORK, UM, SIX DAYS A WEEK FROM 8:00 AM TO 8:00 PM I ONLY HAD ABOUT AN HOUR TO DO THIS ON A SATURDAY, UH, WEATHER PERMITTING. EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBOR I SPOKE TO ON MY STREET WAS IN ABSOLUTE SUPPORT. I SHOWED THEM THE DESIGN, I EXPLAINED THE CONCEPT, I EXPLAINED WHAT I WAS DOING. UM, THEY KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THEY'VE, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS AND THEY THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T IMPROVE THE IMPROVE, UM, MY, UH, MY HOME OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PUTTING A PICKET FENCE UP. SO IF WE'RE LOOKING TO, UM, KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE, AND THEN THESE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED THERE, UM, FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS. SOME OF THEM MY NEIGHBORS HAVE, THEY WERE FULLY IN SUPPORT. I ALSO PRESENTED, PROVIDED THIS TO THE, UH, O PT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT. HE EXPRESSED HIS SUPPORT FOR ME AS WELL. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT SOME TYPE OF, UM, UM, BUILDER THAT'S COMING IN TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S ADVERSE. IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS OUR SUPPORTING IT. [00:40:01] UM, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND AGAIN, THE, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT TO THE DISTRICT? UM, FIRST, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS REQUEST IS THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER STRICT INTERPRETATION OF PASS AESTHETIC. UM, WE'RE REQUESTING A FOUR FOOT PICKET FUNDS AS A MODERN SAFETY NEED SURROUNDING TRAFFIC. THAT'S DRASTICALLY CHANGED SINCE ITS ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE 1930S AND FORTIES. UM, THE SAFETY BARRIER ESSENTIAL FOR PROTECTING VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, SMALL CHILDREN AND PETS, UM, FOR MODERN DRIVING HAZARDS THAT WERE NON ENVISIONS THAT COULD GO, IT'S A TRADITIONAL FOREFOOT PICK FENCE. IT'S HISTORICALLY SYMPATHETIC DESIGN. IT MAINTAINS VISUAL TRANSPARENCY. IT ACTUALLY BALANCES, UH, ESSENTIAL SAFETY REQUIREMENTS WITH THE COMMUNITY'S ESTABLISHED AESTHETIC CHARACTER WITHOUT BECOMING IMPOSING VISUAL BARRIER. UM, SINCE I'VE LIVED ON THE PROPERTY, UM, MY MOTHER HAS ALMOST FALLEN TRYING TO GO UP AND DOWN THE SLOPE, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW HER TO HAVE SOME AREA TO ACTUALLY NAVIGATE UP AND DOWN THE STAIRS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A GUIDANCE THROUGH THE GATE. UM, UNFORTUNATELY AS PEOPLE COME INTO YOUR HOME, YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST CONTROL OF YOUR PETS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT RIGHT. BE THERE WHEN THEY COME IN. WE HAD ONE OF OUR LITTLE 10 POUND DOG NUGGET ESCAPE ONTO THE STREET, WHICH WAS VERY SCARY BECAUSE OUR STREET'S NOW BEING USED AS A THROWAWAY, UM, AND PEOPLE GO AROUND 50 MILES AN HOUR. SO THAT WAS, UM, VERY, UM, SCARY. AND IF WE HAD A FENCE THERE, UH, N WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET ONTO THE STREET. UM, AND ALSO BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS THERE ARE, THERE ARE HOMES THAT HAVE A VERY SIMILAR DESIGN. SO I AM ASKING FOR THE STATS RECONSIDERATION REGARDING OUR PROPOSAL, AND I WILL YIELD MY TIME. THANK YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS OR NO LETTERS OF SUPPORT? NO. COMMISSIONER, UM, THEN I'LL START WITH QUESTIONS. UH, MADAM CHAIR ONLINE, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED. UH, MADAM CHAIR, , WE CAN'T HEAR YOU TRY AGAIN. NO, UM, NOT YET. UM, KEEP TALKING. THERE WE GO. I THINK WE HEAR YOU NOW. OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, JUANITA. OH, SHOOT, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, BUT WE'LL GO, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN JUST A SECOND. UM, IN-PERSON COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS, I HAVE A QUESTION. CAN WE APPROVE THE RETAINING WALL AND NOT THE FENCE? I I, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION. THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE QUESTION I'VE ASKING IF, IF WE CAN JUST APPROVE THE, THE CONCRETE INSTALLATION, UM, OF THE RETAINING WALL FOR THE GRADING AND NOT THE ACCOMPANYING FENCE. SO I ECHO MY COMMISSIONER'S, UM, QUESTION. YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THE APPLICANT COULD DECIDE IF THEY STILL WANNA PROCEED OR IF THEY WANT TO APPEAL IN ORDER TO ADD THE FENCE. UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR A RECOMMENDATION. UM, I WILL STATE THERE'S STILL A QUESTION AROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT OF WAY, I BELIEVE YOU CAN CONSTRUCT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD GET A PERMIT. UM, THERE WOULD JUST BE A RISK OF IF THE CITY EVER CAME IN AND PUT IN SIDEWALKS, THEN THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY UNDO THE WORK THAT YOU DID. UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD PERMIT. SURE. MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT'S, WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE TODAY DOES NOT SUPERSEDE ANY REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER FULLISH. THANK YOU. UH, I WANT TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR, UH, TAKING THE TIME AND ENERGY TO WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND TO READ UP ON THIS. THIS IS, UM, AN INCREDIBLY, UH, THOUGHTFULLY CRAFTED AND DETAILED AND, AND ANNOTATED, UM, PRESENTATION. AND, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. UM, AS AN ATTORNEY, I UNDERSTAND HOW, UH, IMPORTANT IT IS TO DO ALL OF THIS, UH, DOCUMENTATION TO LOOK AT OTHER CASES. AND, UM, THE CHALLENGE FOR US, OF COURSE, IS SINCE WE'RE HERE TO, UM, ADMINISTER THE [00:45:01] POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AS THEY'RE OUTLINED, UM, WHEN WE DO TAKE THIS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT, UM, THE SPECIFIC, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES OF ONE PROPERTY VERSUS THAT PARTICULAR, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND FOR INSTANCE, IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME CASES YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED WHERE THERE WERE THE RETAINING WALLS AND IN SOME CASES EVEN LOW LOW WALLS OR FENCES. UM, IT APPEARS THAT ON, ON YOUR STREET IN PARTICULAR, UM, THERE IS A REMARKABLE, UM, UH, REMARKABLY FEW, IF ANY, UH, REALLY RETAINING WALLS OR FENCES. AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH HISTORIC LANDSCAPES IS THAT IT'S VERY EASY TO DISRUPT THAT HISTORIC PATTERN AS, UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SMILE. UM, WHEN, WHEN TEETH GET ALTERED, UM, IT, IT AFFECTS THAT CONTINUITY. THAT IS PART OF THE REASON THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DESIGNATED IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, UM, AS A COMMISSION AND UM, ADVISORY BOARD, WE HAVE TO TAKE THESE THINGS VERY CAREFULLY. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES WITH THE LANDSCAPING. UM, AT THE SAME TIME IT APPEARS THAT, UM, MANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ON YOUR STREET ALSO ARE CHALLENGED WITH THAT SAME, UM, SLOPE, ESPECIALLY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET. UM, AND THEY HAVE MADE THE CURB CUTS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE STAIRS GOING UP. UM, BUT IT DOES REFLECT SOMETHING OF THE IMPORTANT HISTORIC ELEMENT OF THE TIME, GIVEN THOSE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE FORTIES. AND I THINK YOUR HOUSE WAS 1950, UH, OF HOW WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SUBURBAN LIFE WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE EARLY POST-WAR PERIOD AND HOW THESE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSES WITH DRIVEWAYS, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE NEAR DOWNTOWN, UM, IN A, IN A WAY THAT INCREASED THE HOUSING STOCK IN A RAPIDLY GROWING MILITARY CITY. USA, YOU KNOW, HELPED TELL US SOME STORIES THERE. AND YOUR HOUSE IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THAT. AND, UM, I COMPLIMENT YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND ON, UH, SEEKING TO BE PART OF THAT CONTINUING STORY AS YOU, AS YOU TELL THAT STORY OF THESE, UH, POST-WAR HOUSES AND HOW THEY CONTINUE TO EVOLVE OVER TIME. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? UM, I'VE, MA'AM I'VE GOT A QUESTION, AND IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO YOUR REQUEST, BUT, UM, WHEN WAS THE HOUSE PAINTED? THAT WAS, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE PURCHASED IT AROUND 2021, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UM, PAINTED AROUND PRIOR TO US PURCHASING IT, BUT AROUND 2020 BY THE, BY WHOEVER RENOVATED THE HOME. OH, OKAY. I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE MASONRY BEING PAINTED. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT RELATED TO YOUR REQUEST. UH, YOU MENTIONED AT ONE TIME FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AND THEN ANOTHER TIME THREE FEET IN HEIGHT. HELP ME UNDERSTAND YOUR REQUEST, UH, IN TOTAL, UM, BECAUSE, SO THE PICTURE WE'RE SEEING IN THE SLIDE RIGHT NOW, IT HAS INSTALLATION OF, IT LOOKS LIKE A CONCRETE BURN OR CONCRETE, UH, BASE, AND THEN THE PICKET FENCE ON TOP WOULD BE THREE FEET. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO A TOTAL OF FOUR FEET? CORRECT. WITH, SO IN TOTAL WITH THE CONCRETE AND THE PICKET FENCE, IT WOULD BE FOUR TOTAL? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THIS IS TOUGH BECAUSE, UH, STAFF IS, ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL UP, I WAS TRYING HERE IN THE COMPUTER, ARE YOU ABLE TO PULL UP THE TWO ADDRESSES SHE REFERENCED ON LAVERA? SURE. UM, ADRIAN'S DOING THAT RIGHT NOW, SO, UM, I CAN DEFINITELY SPEAK FOR 2 93 LAVERA BOULEVARD. THAT WAS, UH, ONE OF, I WAS THE CASE MANAGER FOR A NUMBER FOR QUEST FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, THE CTA DID INDEED APPROVE THE INSTALLATION OF A FRONT YARD FENCE, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF A SITE PLAN THAT'S MEASURED IN SCALE. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DONE THAT. UH, SO, UM, I'VE SPOKEN TO HER SOMEWHAT RECENTLY. I'M NOT SURE IF THE PLAN IS STILL TO INSTALL A FRONT YARD FENCE, BUT SHE WAS APPROVED AT THIS COMMISSION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF NOTED WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. THEN ALSO TO RECENTLY ANOTHER PROPERTY IN ALMOST PARK TERRACE 1 0 2 TH TERRAIN BOULEVARD LAST CYCLE, UM, WAS AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT, BUT UM, CONTEXT TO THE PROPERTY. SO AS ADRIAN IS SHOWING HERE, UH, 2 93 LARA [00:50:01] IS VERY CLOSE TO THE, UM, SAN PEDRO CORRIDOR, UM, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES NEARBY. UM, SO STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE, UM, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THAT. UM, AND THEN THE ONE LAST CYCLE, THE 1 0 2 TERRAIN BOULEVARD SIMILARLY, IS LOCATED ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE ALMOS PARK TERRACE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT'S LOCATED NEXT TO A TRAIN, UH, TRAIN TRACK. SO THERE, THERE'S A, A NUMBER OF CONSIDERATIONS IN OUR RECOMMENDATION. WE HAD THE CONTEXT AND AS COMMISSIONER, UH, FULLERTON HAD NOTED, AND, UH, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL IS, IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN PRETTY MUCH THE MIDDLE OF A VERY LONG BLOCK AND THAT AREA DOESN'T HAVE, UH, MANY EXAMPLES OF RETAINING WALLS OR FRYING YARD FENCES. AND I THINK I NOTED THAT IN FINDING B OR C IF ADRIAN, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE RECOMMENDATION. SO WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY WITHIN ALMOST PARK TERRACE THAT IT'S ONLY HOMES AROUND THE PERIMETER, SUCH AS ALONG SAN PEDRO, UM, MCCULLOUGH, THOSE BUSY CORRIDORS ARE THE ONLY HOMES THAT HAVE, UH, FRONT YARD FENCING? UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT I CAN SAY IS, IS THAT, UM, THE CONSISTENCY RIGHT WITH OMAS PARK TERRACE, MONTICELLO PARK AND MONTE VISTA, FRONT YARD FENCING GENERALLY COMES TO THIS COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TYPICALLY TO THE BOARD IS TYPICALLY CONSISTENT. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSION ITSELF HAS MADE THOSE EXCEPTIONS BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, OF COURSE, BUT THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS HAVE BEEN TYPICALLY ALONG THOSE BUSY CORRIDORS SUCH AS SAN PEDRO OR MCCULLOUGH, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN ALMOST PARK TERRACE. I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ENTIRETY. SURE. UM, I, I KNOW THAT SINCE I'VE, UM, WORKED WITH OHV, THAT'S GENERALLY BEEN THE CASE. YES. COREY, IS THERE ANY CONTEXT YOU CAN ADD TO THAT? I, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FENCING REQUESTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THERE'S REALLY JUST A HANDFUL THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH. YEAH. AND SPECIFICALLY WITHIN MID-BLOCK THERE IS NOT, UH, A LOT OF PRECEDENT FOR FRONT YARD FENCING REQUESTS? NO, GENERALLY, NO. I MEAN, AS COREY NOTED, I MEAN THE, UH, WE DON'T GENERALLY RECEIVE FRONT YARD FENCING REQUESTS THAT OFTEN IN THESE, UH, NORTHERN DEVELOPMENTS. UH, MOST FRONT YARD REQUESTS ARE TYPICALLY NUITY HILL, LAVACCA, KING, WILLIAM, UM, SOUTH OF SOUTH OF THESE THREE DISTRICTS. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. UM, ANY DISCUSSION MADAM CHAIR, I'LL START WITH YOU ONLINE. OH, SORRY, , WE CAN YOU GET THROUGH TO HER? YOU'RE MUTED NOW, JUANITA, SO OKAY. TRY AGAIN. NO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. QUESTION, CAN YOU TYPE YOUR QUESTION, JUANITA AND WE CAN READ IT. I'M SORRY, NOW THAT SHE'S GOTTA BE SEEN AND HEARD. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU COUNSEL. OKAY. UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM, OR, SORRY, ANY DISCUSSION FROM MY COLLEAGUES HERE? OKAY, WELL, ONE, ONE QUESTION I I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO, UH, TABLE THIS CONVERSATION, UM, FOR A, A FUTURE MEETING, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE A, A FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH STAFF REGARDING RETAINING WALL VERSUS RETAINING WALL AND FENCE, I THINK, OH, OKAY. SORRY CORY. RIGHT. WHAT WOULD THE CONVERSATION BE? UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF IF WE VOTE AND WE VOTE IT DOWN THEN UM, THE CONVERSATION RE REGARDING THE RETAINING WALL WOULD BE DEAD IN THE WATER AND COULDN'T BE REVISITED FOR 12 MONTHS. IS THAT RIGHT? UM, THEY COULD ALWAYS RETURN WITH A AMENDED REQUEST. AND SO IF IT WAS WALL ONLY, THAT WOULD BE AMENDED FROM WHAT'S REQUESTED, REQUESTED TODAY. AND I GUESS TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, IT, IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO A MOTION THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD SAY THAT JUST YOU COULD MOVE FOR WALL ONLY. APOLOGIES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I AGREE WITH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE. I'D BE OPEN TO APPROVING THE RETAINING WALL STRICTLY AND NOT WITH DEFENSE. [00:55:04] UM, MEGAN HAS RAISED A GOOD POINT HERE, WHICH IS WE NEED SIX VOTES AND, UM, UNLESS WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE JUANITA'S AUDIO, SHE IS NOT VOTING. SO, UM, JUANITA, CAN YOU LOOK AT YOUR CALENDAR INVITE? THERE'S CALL IN INFORMATION. CAN YOU TRY CALLING IN FOR THE AUDIO? ANOTHER TRICK IS JUST TO HANG UP AND TRY TO REJOIN THE MEETING AND SEE IF, SEE IF IT WORKS. UM, MAY I RECOMMEND A FIVE MINUTE RECESS SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF TECHNICAL ISSUES? THANK YOU. COUNSEL, CAN WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS PLEASE? THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT HAS A QUESTION WHEN WE COME BACK. TURN IN JUST A MOMENT. THANK YOU. WE'RE READY TO RESUME. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ON OR WHAT. I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS WANTING TO BE RECOGNIZED. MR. CHAIR. UH, WELL WE WERE STILL IN, UH, QUESTIONS AND I DON'T THINK JUANITA OR MADAM CHAIR GOT TO ASK ANY, SO NOW THAT YOU'RE CONNECTED, THE ONLY GO AHEAD. THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD WAS FOR STAFF AND, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND I REALLY LIKED IT. 'CAUSE I LOVE THE DETAIL STAFF ON THAT ROAD SINCE WE'RE ADDRESSING JUST THE, THE RETAINING WALL IN THE, IN THE FENCE ON ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS THAT ARE IN, IN, AND I, I HEARD PART OF IT WHERE THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL REQUESTS FOR THERE, NOWHERE DOWN THAT, THAT PATH, BUT I DO SEE THAT RETAINING WALL AND I DID TRY SEARCHING UP THOSE ADDRESSES THAT, UM, MS. MARTINEZ PROVIDED. SURE. UM, SO THIS IS TO WORK, HISTORIC DISTRICT IS RELATIVELY NEW, I BELIEVE IS DESIGNATED IN 2007, 2008. SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RETAINING WALLS AND FRONT YARD FENCING. IT'S NOT, UM, A LARGE MAG MAJORITY OF THE DISTRICTS FOR CERTAIN, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY IN ADRIAN'S SHOWING HERE, THERE'S CERTAIN EXAMPLES OF RETAINING WALLS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. THE PROPERTIES SPECIFICALLY THAT THE APPLICANT BROUGHT UP, LIKE 2 93 LAVERA, UM, I HAD DISCUSSED. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT CAME, UH, LAST CTAP CYCLE 1 0 2 TERRAIN. UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE OTHER ADDRESS. I MUST HAVE SECOND, JUST A SECOND. WE'VE LOST QUORUM. SORRY, JUST ONE MOMENT. APPLICANT PLEASE. WOULD YOU MIND, UH, HANGING ON THERE? SORRY ABOUT THAT. SURE, NO WORRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNSEL. JASON, DID WE LOSE QUORUM? WE DID. UH, SOMEBODY STEPPED OUT, WE HOPE NOT FAR. WE LOST QUORUM WITHOUT JUA, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. SORRY. SORRY. I'M SORRY. OKAY, YOU'RE FINE. UM, LET'S RESUME. RIGHT. SO, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE OTHER ADDRESS THAT THE, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED, UH, THAT WAS IT, IT APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN 2021. UM, SO MY, I I'M GENERALLY UNFAMILIAR WITH THAT, UM, THAT ADDRESS. OKAY. IS THAT WITHIN THE SAME HISTORICAL DISTRICT THOUGH? YES, IT IS. OKAY. AND, BUT ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR ROAD, THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE IS THE RETAINING WALLS. THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY FENCES AND ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE AMENDED, UM, THAT IS WHAT THE, WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS IS, RIGHT? UH, CORRECT. SO THAT, SO WELL THAT, SO THAT THE GUIDELINES DON'T SAY YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT FENCES ARE ALLOWABLE WHERE THEY'VE EXISTED HISTORICALLY. UM, SO AS BRIAN KINDA ALLUDED TO, LIKE SOME OF THESE MORE SUBURBAN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WERE, WERE DEVELOPED IN THE FORTIES AND FIFTIES WITH LARGER LOTS. THEY NEVER HISTORICALLY HAD FENCES, WHEREAS SOME OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SMALLER LOTS AND KIND OF FRONT YARD GARDENS DID. AND SO THOSE REQUESTS ARE MORE TYPICAL TO THOSE OLDER HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LESS COMMON IN THESE AREAS, BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, TO SAY LIKE THEY DO EXIST. THEY HAVE BEEN [01:00:01] APPROVED, SOME WERE INSTALLED KIND OF RIGHT BEFORE DESIGNATION AND AREN'T THAT HISTORIC NECESSARILY. UM, SO WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THAT HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ANYTIME WE REVIEW THESE. NOW CAN YOU REFER BACK TO THE ONE THAT WAS CLOSE TO THE, TO THE, UM, RAILROAD CROSSING, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED WITH, BUT THAT WAS MADE UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, SO STAFF DID NOT APPROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY IT RECEIVED, UM, IT, IT RECEIVED APPROVAL FROM THIS COMMISSION LAST MONTH. OKAY. BUT THAT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S SO CLOSE TO A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA AND TO THE, AND CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THAT WAS CONSIDERED AS A PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BECAUSE THE CTA APPROVED IT. SO THE, THE REASONING BEHIND THE VOTES FOR THE BOARD, I, I WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE TO Y'ALL MADAM CHAIR. I, I I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WAS CORRECT. IT WAS THE HIGH TRAFFIC. I THINK IT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS CLOSED FOR THE RAILROAD TRACK. YES. OKAY. THAT WAS ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, AND APPLICANT. I'M SORRY, UH, IF, DID YOU HAVE A SOMETHING? YES, I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS JUST GOING TO, UM, IF I MAY JUST BRIEFLY, UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO, UM, MR. GALLOS, IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW MY HOME IN RELATION TO MCCULLOUGH AGAIN, AND I, AND I CAN VERY MUCH APPRECIATE, UM, THE AMOUNT OF WORK EVERYONE DOES HERE TO BOTH PRESERVE AND TO FAIRLY, UM, PUT FORTH, YOU KNOW, YOUR DECISIONS. SO, AND OF COURSE I'LL, I'LL WORK WITH YOU GUYS AS WE GO FORWARD. I, WE, WE DO NEED BOTH THE RETAINING WALL AND THE FENCE. SO I APPRECIATE, UH, THE, THE COMPROMISE THAT WAS BEING LOOKED AT. BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT BOTH OR NEED BOTH. AND WE, WE ARE ONLY ABOUT FIVE HOUSES DOWN FROM MCCULLOUGH AND I AM A RUNNER AND I'M OUT AT AROUND 6:00 AM IN THE MORNING. AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT OUR STREET AFTER WAS BEING USED AS A DETOUR HAS NOW BECOME A THROWAWAY FOR TRAFFIC TO GO DOWN FROM MCCULLOUGH TO SAN PEDRO. SO THE PROXIMITY TO MCCULLOUGH AND SAN PEDRO IS NO LONGER A SAFETY BARRIER BECAUSE THAT'S, OUR STREET HAS NOW BEEN UTILIZED BY THE CITY OR WAS UTILIZED BY THE CITY AS A DETOUR. IT IS NOW A BEING USED BY TRAFFIC FOR THAT PURPOSE. AND THEY GO AROUND 50 MILES, 55 MILES AN HOUR. I'VE ALREADY REPORTED THIS TO THE POLICE. THEY'VE ALREADY PUT UP, UM, A SAFETY CORRIDOR TO ALERT PEOPLE OF APPROPRIATE SPEEDS. UM, BUT THE PROXIMITY TO MCCULLOUGH IS NO LONGER, YOU KNOW, ONE HOUSE DOWN TWO HOME, TWO HOMES DOWN IS NO LONGER, UH, PROVIDES THAT BARRIER THAT IT USED TO. UM, AGAIN, THE FENCE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOT ONE SPECIFICALLY ON MY STREET THAT I CAN REFERENCE, BUT THERE WAS ONE AT 180 1 MADELINE DRIVE THAT'S WITHIN, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARK THAT HAD A SIMILAR DESIGN. AND, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY ISSUE THAT WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IT UP AND NOT TO, NOT TO IMPACT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE, OF THE HOME. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS A, AS A RECENT TEXT IN, I SHOULD SAY IT, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE BACK AND FORTH AS A MILITARY INDIVIDUAL, UM, I KNOW TEXANS VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND THEIR PROPERTY AND WANNA BE ABLE TO USE AND ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY. AND WE WANT TO ALSO BE CONSCIOUS THAT WE, WE DON'T, UM, SO LIMIT PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO UTILIZE THEIR PROPERTY FEEL SAFE IN THAT PROPERTY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, SOME FUNCTIONALITY. SO THIS WOULD REALLY BE, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MY HUSBAND AND I AND, UM, AND WE HOPE THAT, UH, THE COMMITTEE WILL CONSIDER THAT IN THE VOTE TODAY. BUT WE'LL RESPECT THE PROCESS AND, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH WHAT WE NEED TO IF, UM, IF WE NEED TO, UH, AFTER THIS. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS THAT YOU MENTIONED OR THE, THE AREA? DID YOU SAY MADELINE DRIVE OR? YES. UM, 180, I THINK IT WAS 180 1. IS THAT WITHIN ALMOST PARKED TERRA TERRACE? YES, IT'S ON MANDALAY. MANDALAY. MANDALAY. THANK YOU. UM, WE'LL NEED TO CHECK, I KNOW THAT THE ALMOST PARK TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD IS LARGER THAN THE [01:05:01] AL ALMOST PARK TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT. BUT IF YOU GIVE ME JUST A COUPLE MINUTES THAT I CAN TRACK. THANK YOU. JUST A MINUTE. WE'LL GO NEXT WITH YOU MADAM CHAIR. MR. CHAIR. MAY I MENTION, UM, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING THAT UP, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY HAS CHANGED, UH, ITS RULES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS REGARDING TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES TO MAKE THEM EASIER TO INSTALL IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE DISTANCE, UH, BETWEEN DEVICES OR STOP SIGNS. UM, AND THE APPLICANT MAY FIND IT HELPFUL TO, TO LOOK ONLINE ON THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR SPEAK WITH SOMEONE IN YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER OFFICE ABOUT, UH, SPEED BUMPS OR SPEED TABLES OR OTHER DEVICES THAT THE, UM, CITY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP IN TERMS OF, UH, ADDRESSING THAT TRAFFIC ISSUE. YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S WITHIN D ONE, SO YES, MS. MR. CHAIR. UM, I JUST CONFIRMED, UH, USING THE EXPLORER MAP, THIS, UH, 180 1 WEST MANDALAY IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. OH. SO IT'S WITHIN THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT NOT IN THE, NOT WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT, WITHIN THE DISTRICT ITSELF. OKAY. SO WE CAN'T USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY, WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION NOW. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN PERSON HERE? IF NOT, OH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. UH, ONE MORE COMMENT. UM, I FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE REMISS IN, UM, NOT TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU'RE A RUNNER AND YOU GET TO SEE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD EVERY DAY ON A REGULAR BASIS, UM, AND TAKE THIS IN ON YOUR RUNS. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOUR SPARE TIME IS SCARCE AND VERY PRECIOUS, BUT IF YOU DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, OFF AND ON TO SPEAK WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, I WANTED TO INVITE YOU TO BE PART OF THIS EVOLVING CONVERSATION ON WHAT IT LOOKS, UM, TO HAVE A, A PRE-WAR AND POST-WAR SUBDIVISION, UH, SUCH AS THE ONE THAT YOU LIVE IN BECAUSE YOU HAVE HOUSES THAT STRADDLE THE WAR AND YOU HAVE THIS CONNECTION, UM, GEOGRAPHICALLY TO, UH, COMMUNITIES LIKE, UH, FORT SAM, UM, AND THIS CHALLENGE WITHIN THE PRESERVATION COMMUNITY WRIT LARGE OF WHAT IT MEANS TO, TO HAVE LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION AND CONSERVATION AND, AND, AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES. UM, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF PRESERVATION OFTENTIMES, INITIALLY IN THE US WAS ABOUT BRICKS AND MORTAR. AND THEN WE SAID, WELL, WHAT ABOUT LANDSCAPES? WHAT ABOUT CULTURAL PRACTICES? AND, AND UNDER UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS? UM, AND THESE CONVERSATIONS REALLY GET, UM, EXPLODED IN THE POST-WAR PERIOD BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY FINALLY STARTING TO APPRECIATE THE RICH TAPESTRY OF, OF, OF AMERICAN SOCIETY. AND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD I THINK, CAPTURES SO MUCH OF THAT AND, AND, AND LANDSCAPE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT. SO, UH, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR, YOUR ATTORNEY'S HOURS ARE, ARE, ARE VERY INTENSE . UM, BUT IF YOU SO CHOOSE, UH, DO IT WHAT AT ANY POINT WE NEED TO GO BACK TO POINT OF ORDER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M DONE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. UH, MADAM CHAIR, GO AHEAD. I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE. LET ME KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO DISCUSSION. WE ARE RIGHT NOW. GO AHEAD. WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET, RIGHT? OH, OKAY. UM, CORRECT. THERE'S CURRENTLY NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR. OKAY. THEN I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION. I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE REGARD? AYE. FULLERTON. AYE. P*****K, NAY, VASQUEZ. AYE. AND SEPULVEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. PLEASE WORK WITH ON NEXT STEPS. THANK YOU ALL. APPRECIATE IT. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. THANK YOU. SAME TO YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYONE. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.