* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 PM – Call to Order] [00:00:05] IT'S DOWN 3 0 3 0 1. 3 0 1 ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 21ST, 2026. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? IN SINO? HERE. VELAZQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY. HERE. ZUKA. ADA? HERE. GRU CERVANTES. HERE. HOLLAND. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL WELCOME EVERYONE. UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO BUSINESS, UM, WE DO HAVE OUR ANNUAL ELECTION OF OFFICERS. SO AT THIS POINT, I WILL OPEN UP TO THE FLOOR TO NOMINATIONS FOR THE POSITION OF CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE JAY GIBBS FOR CHAIR SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? DO OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. GIBBS AS CHAIR FOR ANOTHER YEAR? AYE. YES. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION PASSES. SO, UH, TAKE IT AWAY, MR. CHAIR FOR, UH, VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO NOW ELECT, UM, SEE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR THE VICE CHAIR POSITION? UM, ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE JEFFREY FETZER FOR VICE CHAIR, SAY JEFFREY FETZER. UM, IT'S BEEN FIRST, UM, MOTION AND PROPERLY SECOND. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? HEARING NONE. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SECOND FIVE BY SAYING AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. SO MOVED. YEAH. WE CAN TAKE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT AT THIS TIME. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AS ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION. FOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON, ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OR APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND PLEASE DOUBLE CHECK YOUR CELL PHONES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ON SILENT. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN INTERRUPTION TO THE MEETING. WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, JUST A QUICK HOUSEKEEPING NOTE. WE DO HAVE A FULL HOUSE TODAY. UM, WE DO ASK THAT. I THINK YOU'RE FINE, BUT JUST NOBODY BLOCKED THE EXIT DOORS WHILE THEY'RE STANDING IN THE BACK. UM, WILL BE GOOD. UM, WE DO NEED APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES BEFORE WE BEGIN FOR, UM, THE HEARING FROM DECEMBER 17TH. MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 17TH, 2025 HCRC MEETING MINUTES. IT'S BEEN MOVED TO SAY PROPERLY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SENO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. [00:05:01] AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AT [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] THIS TIME WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UM, WE HAVE 16 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM 16 IS THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK ITEM. UH, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT CASE, SO WE RECOMMEND MOVING THAT TO INDIVIDUALS SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH CONSENT FIRST BEFORE DEALING WITH THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND SO AT THIS TIME, UM, WE WILL PLAY VOICEMAILS, UM, RECEIVED, UH, BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UM, AND THEN EDWARD, I DO HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER. ACTUALLY, WE MIGHT DO THEM FIRST. UM, IF FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, IF RAY HERBERT COULD COME SPEAK FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE AND THEN WE'LL DO VOICEMAILS. MR. HERBERT, IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. OKAY. UM, MY NAME IS ROY HEBERT AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO STATE, UH, THE REASON, OR ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I KNOW OF FOR, UH, THE FENCING NEEDED ON OUR ENTRANCE TO OUR CHURCH. WE HAVE VERY OLD HISTORIC DOORS ON OUR CHURCH AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING THEM FOR RESTROOM AND WE NEED TO, UH, PREVENT THAT. UM, IT'S EASIER TO, UH, EVEN IF SOMEBODY USES THE RESTROOM ON THE IRON, THAT CAN BE, UM, WHAT'S THE NAME? THOSE WOOD DOORS ARE 94 YEAR, ALMOST 94 YEARS OLD, OR 94 YEARS OLD NOW. AND, UM, THEY'RE VERY HISTORIC. SO, UH, WE, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THOSE. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE FENCING. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOIS CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE 1301 EAST COMMERCE HCRC, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 0 1. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE SIGN OPTION SHOULD BE THE SMALLEST OF ALL THREE PROPOSALS, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING HOTELS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDE OF THIS BUILDING, OUR CONCERN IS THAT THE ADVERTISING LIGHTING WILL INTERFERE WITH THOSE HOTEL CUSTOMERS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT AN APARTMENT BUILDING IS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT ON THE VACANT LOT DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THIS BUILDING, BUT SINCE IT'S NOT THERE YET, AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE AS TO WHEN IT WILL BE FINALLY COMPLETED, THE LESSER OF ALL THREE EAGLES IS TO HAVE THE SMALLEST SIGN FACING THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH FACES CHERRY STREET THAT WILL GIVE IT VISIBILITY TO DOWNTOWN AND ANYONE DRIVING EAST ON EAST COMMERCE AND EVERYONE ON CHERRY STREET. IN ADDITION, WE WERE WONDERING WHERE THE DRC NOTES WERE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT IN THE PACKET. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS LOUIS FRANCOIS CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DICK NORWOOD HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON 1 3 6 GORMAN STREET, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 3 27 HRC GUIDELINES UNDER B SECTION FOUR REFERENCES FOOTPRINT AND STATES THAT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT SHOULD RESPOND TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND APPROPRIATE YARD TO BUILDING RATIO SHOULD BE MAINTAINED FOR CONSISTENCY WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS SHOULD NOT BE SO LARGE AS TO DOUBLE THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT REGARDLESS OF LOT SIZE. THIS ADDITION DOES NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AS STATED IN STAFF'S COMMENTS. THE ADDITION IS 54% OF THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT, WHICH DOUBLES THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. IN ADDITION, HAS O'S PREVIOUS 40% SIZE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE FOOTPRINT. LIMITATION FOR NEW BUILDING ADDITIONS BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE WE NOTICED THAT IT'S NOT CALLED OUT IN THIS DOCUMENT WHEN IT HAS BEEN CALLED OUT IN PREVIOUS GUIDELINE REVIEWS. ANOTHER QUESTION WE HAVE APPLIES TO THE EAST ELEVATION WINDOW, WHICH IS A SINGLE PANE WINDOW. WE WERE WONDERING IS STAFF APPROVING THIS WINDOW SINCE IT'S NOT A ONE OVER ONE? THANK YOU. YES. THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION REGARDING 5 0 4 KING WILLIAM. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH ZERO SIX. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION REVIEW THE APPLICATION OHP STAFF FINDINGS AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. WE GENERALLY CONCUR WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS WITH ONE CONCERN THE GREENHOUSE AND CHIMNEY SHOULD BE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED AS IT WILL BE CLEARLY VISIBLE LOOKING IN FRONT FROM KING WILLIAM THROUGH THE SHARE. THANK YOU. [00:10:02] WAS THAT ITEM 15? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THOSE OTHER TWO IN THE ONE IN THE FOLDER. DO WE HAVE VOICEMAILS FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION? THERE'S ONE. THERE SHOULD BE ONE FOR 12, BUT NOT FOR 15. OKAY. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE VOICEMAILS FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIRMAN? I WISH TO PULL ITEM ONE, THREE AND FIVE. 1 3 5. THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS? HEARING NO OTHERS? UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UH, BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, WE'RE STATING THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR ITEMS 2, 4, 6 7 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, AND 15 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THINK IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SAVINO AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. YOU ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? YOUR ADDRESS IS EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE FLORIST STREET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. UH, 2 9 3 LAVERA 1914 WEST MAGNOLIA THREE 20 MADISON, 1 36 GORMAN 1 42, ARMOR 2 26 85 0 4, KING WILLIAM 25 0 9 MISSION ROAD, 31 10 ROOSEVELT AND 3 0 9 MADISON. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, COMMISSIONERS [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] WILL, UH, START WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE. IT'S 9,800 AIRPORT, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, JOHN TRIANO IS HERE IN PERSON AS WELL AS AIRPORT STAFF COMMISSIONERS. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS JEFF COYLE. I'M ONE OF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS. UH, I WANTED TO COME DOWN AND NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND ALL YOU DO ON THIS COMMISSION, BUT ALSO THANK YOU SPECIFICALLY FOR THE INPUT AND FEEDBACK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS PROJECT. I THINK YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO HEAR IT FROM ME THAT ABOUT HOW SIGNIFICANT THE AIRPORT EXPANSION IS FOR OUR CITY. IT'S ACTUALLY THE LARGEST CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WE'VE EVER UNDERTAKEN. UH, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO WE TAKE ALL OF THIS WORK VERY SERIOUSLY. I, I, I THINK WE'RE ALL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THE, THE INPUT THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED HAS, UM, ALLOWED FOR SOME CREATIVE WAYS TO HONOR THE HISTORY OF THE, THE BUILDING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. UH, JOHN WILL GET INTO THOSE IN A MINUTE, BUT, UH, IT'S BEEN A PRIORITY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BOTH DO THAT, UH, AND KEEP THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD ON TIME AND ON SCHEDULE. AND OUR AIRPORT TEAM, OUR AIRPORT DIRECTOR, JESUS SIGNS AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR TIM CROLEY, HAVE DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD. AND WE CAN'T WAIT TO, UH, HAVE YOU ALL THERE FOR THE OPENING IN 2028 OF OUR NEW SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, JEFF. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JOHN TROPI. I AM WITH CORGAN ASSOCIATES. WE ARE THE, THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO TODAY I WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING BASED OFF OF PREVIOUS, UM, FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE COMMEMORATION OF WHAT WE CALL BUILDING 1322. UM, PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE HAD PRESENTED THIS, THERE WERE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WE HAD AGREED TO WITH A MEMO OF UNDER OF UNDERSTANDING, AND THERE [00:15:01] ARE SEVEN ELEMENTS OF THAT MOU THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU HOW WE'RE PROGRESSING. UH, THE FIRST IS THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO THE HABS DOCUMENTATION THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND SUBMITTED TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. UM, PART OF THAT WAS ALSO TO DEVELOP INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THAT HAS ALSO BEEN COMPLETED, THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE THC AND SHARED WITH OHP AS WELL. ANOTHER COMPONENT WAS THE DEVELOPMENT OF 3D MODELING. UM, THE BUILDING HAS UNDERGONE A FULL 3D SURVEY. THAT SURVEY IS COMPLETE AND IT HAS BEEN SHARED AS PART OF THE HABS DOCUMENTATION. ULTIMATELY, THAT SURVEY WILL BE PART OF ONE OF THE LATER BULLET POINTS HERE, WHICH IS A AIRPORT OPERATED WEBSITE. UH, RECOGNIZING THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. WE HAVE ALSO COMPLETED OUR, UH, ARTICLE TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL, UM, TEXAS STATE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED YET, BUT IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE, UH, THE TSHA. AND SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE DATE. THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE STILL ONGOING ARE THE, THE FINAL THREE OF THAT MOU. THE FIRST IS THE CONTEXT FOR THE SAS WEBSITE, UM, THAT WILL INCORPORATE THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, THOSE FIRST FOUR, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF THESE OTHER ONES. AND ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH DOCUMENTATION OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING, ALL OF THAT WILL BE GATHERED TOGETHER AND THEN PUBLISHED ON THAT WEBSITE BY THE AIRPORT. UM, AS PART OF THAT, IT IS THE TIME LAPSE PHOTOGRAPHY. SO THERE ARE TWO STEPS THAT WE'RE UNDERGOING RIGHT NOW. THE FIRST IS THAT WE ARE DOING SOME EXPLORATORY DEMOLITION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING WE ARE ABLE TO SALVAGE. AND SO WITH EVERY ELEMENT THAT IS REMOVED FROM THE BUILDING, WE ARE DOCUMENTING THE PROGRESS OF THAT AS WE GO. ONCE THE EXPLORATORY DEMOLITION IS DONE, WE WILL EMBARK ON THE, THE TIME LAPSE PHOTOGRAPHY OR VIDEO OF THE ACTUAL DECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE FINAL ELEMENT WAS THAT THE MOU AGREED THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE THE SALVAGE AND REUSE OF MATERIALS FROM THE EXISTING FACILITY. UH, SPECIFICALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE USE THE POSSIBLE REUSE OF THE TRAVERTINE AS WELL AS A WAY THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF THE, UH, UNIQUE Y SHAPED COLUMNS IN TO THE NEW STRUCTURE. UM, KNOWING THAT WE CAN SALVAGE THEM PERHAPS, BUT THEY ARE NOT IN A CONDITION THAT WE CAN REUSE THEM STRUCTURALLY SO THEY WOULD BE USED IN OTHER PLACES WITHIN THE DESIGN. WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY WAS WALK THROUGH HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THAT SALVAGE AND REUSE OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES OR THE EXISTING COMPONENTS OF BUILDING 1322. SO WE DEVELOPED MULTIPLE STRATEGIES. UM, THE FIRST IS THIS IDEA OF HOW CAN WE REFLECT THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING IN A NEW STRUCTURE THAT IS UNIQUELY DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL AND WORKS WITH THE OVERALL AIRPORT CAMPUS. AND OUR APPROACH, AND WE'LL SHARE MORE ABOUT THIS AS WE GET INTO IT, IS TO UTILIZE THIS, THIS IMAGE THAT WE SEE HERE ON SCREEN AS PART OF OUR LANDSCAPE DESIGN, AND CREATE WHAT WE CALL A, A SHADOW EFFECT OF CASTING THE, THE SHADE OF THIS BUILDING. AND ITS UNIQUE COLINE ROOF FORM INTO THE ACTUAL GROUND SCAPE LANDSCAPE AND PAVEMENT AROUND THE BUILDING, UH, THROUGH THE USE OF THESE MATERIALS IN THE EO AREA. THE SECOND WAS THE COMMEMORATIVE AND INTERPRETED PLAQUES IN THE 3D MODEL. WE'LL SHOW WHERE WE'VE INCORPORATED THOSE. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE ALREADY BEING SUBMITTED FOR SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS, BUT WE'RE GONNA EXPAND BEYOND WHAT WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF OUR HABS DOCUMENTATION TO INCORPORATE OTHER FEATURES WITHIN THAT. UH, THE THIRD STRATEGY WAS TO REUSE SOME OF THESE SALVAGED Y COLUMNS AS BENCHES WITHIN THE SITE. WE, WE STATED EARLIER, THEY'RE NOT IN A CONDITION THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO USE THEM TO, TO HOLD UP THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO USE THEM IN A WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL TOUCH AND INTERACT WITH THOSE PARTICULAR COMPONENTS. UH, STRATEGY FOUR WAS REUSING SOME OF THE ORIGINAL TRAVERTINE OFF THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS CLAD INTERIOR AND OUT WITH THIS TRAVERTINE, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS THAT WE CAN REMOVE IT FROM THE BUILDING AND THEN REUSE IT, UM, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE, THE CONTEXT OF THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE, BUT POSSIBLY ALSO MAKE THE MATERIALS AVAILABLE TO THE ARTIST AS PART OF THE PUBLIC ARTS PROGRAM TO UTILIZE IN THEIR INTERPRETATION, UH, FOR THIS BUILDING. AND THEN THE FINAL WAS THE COMMEMORATIVE PLAQUE ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT A SITE PLAN OF THE BUILDING, WE CAN SEE WHERE EACH ONE OF THESE COMPONENTS IS INTEGRATED INSIDE OR EXTERIOR TO THE BUILDING. AND ON THE EXTERIOR IS WHERE YOU START TO SEE THIS SHADOW STUDY OF REFLECTING THE YHA COLUMNS OUT INTO THE ENVIRONMENT AS IF THEY WERE SHADOWS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, BUT DONE ON THE NEW STRUCTURE ITSELF. WE CAN ALSO SEE THE, THE TWO Y SHAPED COLUMNS. WE'VE GOT ONE NEAR THE, UH, THE CONNECTION TO THE MAIN TERMINAL AS WELL ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE IT CONNECTS IN WITH THE, UH, NEW PARKING GARAGE. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT. [00:20:01] TO TAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO A RENDERED IMAGE. WHAT WE SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THIS IMAGE IS ONE OF THOSE Y COLUMN BENCHES. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE FACE OF THE BUILDING INTEGRATED WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE IS THE, UM, THE SHADOW OF THE BUILDING AND THOSE Y COLUMNS, UM, OPPOSITE THOSE, YOU START TO SEE THE KLINE ROOF FORM REFLECTED IN THE EDGES OF THE PAVING OF THE POEO. AND IN THE RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE NECESSARY, WE'RE GONNA CLAD THOSE WITH THE TRAVERTINE FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING AND LET THAT REFLECT THAT EXISTING KLINE ROOF FORM OF, UH, BUILDING 1322. AS WE START TAKING MORE OF A, OF A THREE DIMENSIONAL PERSPECTIVE OF IT, YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE WAY THAT THE ROOF, UH, IS REFLECTED WITHIN THOSE RETAINING WALLS. AND THE SHADOW STUDY ON THE, THE GROUND COMING OVER TO, UM, THE FIRST Y BENCH. THIS IS PART OF OUR OUTDOOR POEO THAT CONNECTS TO THE MAIN POEO IN FRONT OF THE TERMINAL. WE WERE HERE PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AGO AND WALKED THROUGH ALL OF THOSE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE NEW TERMINAL. THIS WILL CONNECT TO ALLOW PASSENGERS TO MOVE FROM THE TERMINAL ALL THE WAY TO THE GARAGE, EITHER INDOORS OR EXTERIOR, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WEATHER IS LIKE INSIDE THE BUILDING. WE ALSO SEE THE INCORPORATION OF THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE AND BRONZES PLAQUE, AS WELL AS A PHYSICAL 3D MODEL OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, 1322. SO AS PASSENGERS WALK THROUGH THE CORRIDOR, THEY CAN STOP ON THE SITE OF WHERE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS AND WE CAN HAVE A COMMEMORATIVE MODEL AND THE SIGNAGE EXPLAINING, UH, HOW WE'VE INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE NEW DESIGN. UH, WE ALSO SEE THAT WE ARE REUSING TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE SOME OF THE TRAVERTINE ON THE NEW FLOOR AS WELL. UM, THIS IS AN IMAGE WHERE THE PASO ENDS AT THE NEW GARAGE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND OF THE TWO Y COLUMN BENCHES. WE HAVE A COURTYARD OVER HERE AS THAT FINAL, UH, AREA BE BEFORE YOU ENTER THE GARAGE, OR, UM, THIS CAN ALSO BE USED FOR SOME SHUTTLE SERVICES IN THIS AREA. SO THIS IS A WAY, A PLACE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY WAIT, UM, FOR THOSE SERVICES AS WELL. AND THEN AN IMAGE OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, A FINAL IMAGE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS PEOPLE JUST APPROACH, UM, LEAVING THE GARAGE, WALKING BACK TO THE TERMINAL THAT WE SEE BEYOND. AND YOU CAN SEE AS WELL, UH, ALONG THAT PATHWAY WE WOULD HAVE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THAT EXPLAINS WHAT YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH. AND THOSE SIGNS WOULD ALSO BRING IN ELEMENTS OF THE Y COLUMNS FROM BUILDING 1322 TO REINFORCE, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT DESIGN WITHIN THE NEW STRUCTURE. TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JUST THE ELEVATIONS AND THE MATERIALITY, THE MATERIALITY OF THIS BUILDING OF THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE MATERIALS THAT WE WERE PROPOSING WITHIN THE NEW TERMINAL. SO WE'VE GOT, UH, GLAZING STONE CLADDING ON THE COLUMN PILE, LEERS CURTAIN WALL, METAL ROOF, INSULATED METAL PANELS, UM, ON THE REAR END ELEVATION. THE REAR IS PRIMARILY A SERVICE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT FACES A, UM, A CENTURY UTILITY PLANTS AND A, UM, A SERVICE ACCESS ROAD. SO WHILE WE HAVE SOME HIGH CLEAR STORIES THAT LET DAYLIGHT IN WITHOUT HIGHLIGHTING VIEWS TO THE LOADING DOCK OF THE NEW TERMINAL, WE HAVE JUST CLAD THIS WITH THE INSULATED METAL PANELS TO HAVE AN ENERGY EFFICIENT DESIGN THAT IS UTILIZING THE SAME MATERIALS USED ELSEWHERE ON CAMPUS. SO THOSE ARE THE WAYS THAT WE HAVE LISTENED TO THE FEEDBACK FROM THIS COMMITTEE, TAKEN IT FORWARD INTO OUR DESIGN AND ARE APPROACHING OUR, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THAT MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO INCORPORATE BUILDING 1322 INTO THE NEW PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER FESSOR IS GOING TO ASK YOU, UM, SOME QUESTIONS AND THEN, UM, FROM THERE, WE'LL, SINCE WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE TODAY, WE WILL GO IN ORDER DOWN THE ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE BE, HAS AN INPUT TO WHATEVER QUESTION THEY MAY ASK, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER, PROFESSOR? YES. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SEVERAL DRCS AND TO THIS COMMISSION. UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, TRYING TO GET TO A CONSENSUS ON HOW TO COMMEMORATE 1322, UM, I'VE BEEN CONCERNED THAT WHAT IS BEING, UH, PROPOSED IS, UM, NOT DOING THE BUILDING JUSTICE. THAT I THINK THE, THE, UM, WHAT'S UNIQUE AND CHARACTER DEFINING ABOUT THE BUILDING IS ITS THREE DIMENSIONALITY. AND, UM, OTHER THAN THE, UH, TWO [00:25:01] REMNANTS OF THE Y COLUMNS IS BENCHES AND A 3D MODEL, UM, I DON'T SEE THAT THREE DIMENSIONALITY. AND, UM, IN THE LAST ERC ASK Y'ALL TO EXPLORE THAT SOME MORE AND JUST LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UM, THAT COMMENT OR THAT REQUEST. UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING SOMETHING 3D AS AN ARBOR OR TRELLIS FOR SHADE OVER THE, UH, PASSE, UH, WHICH WOULD, UM, CELEBRATE THAT BUILDING FURTHER, MUCH MORE THAN JUST SOME PAVING ON THE GROUND. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEW PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR AND WE LOOK AT THE GENERAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE, OF THE NEW TERMINAL AND THE CAMPUS, UH, OVERALL, SOME OF THE SHAPES AND FORMS OF BUILDING 1322 ARE UNIQUE AND ARE NOT NECESSARILY COMPLIMENTARY TO THE REMAINING ASPECTS OF THE, THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE APPROACH THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO THE DESIGN. UM, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE MAKING A STRONG STATEMENT BY ENGAGING THIS AT THE LEVEL OF THE INDIVIDUAL AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE REALLY FOCUSED OUR EFFORTS AND, AND ENERGY IS IN HOW DO WE CREATE SOMETHING THAT REALLY PEOPLE CAN GET INTO, TOUCH, FEEL, AND LOOK AT, UM, AS THEY WALK THROUGH THE POEO. SO WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS, WE JUST BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING WITHIN THE ULTIMATE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP. COMMISSIONER GROUP. ARE YOU UNMUTED? TRY AGAIN. TRY AGAIN. I AM UNMUTED. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, COMMISSIONER, NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MIZUKI. MY CONCERN WAS THAT THERE BE SOME HOMAGE TO THE ROMANESQUE ARCHES THAT ARE BROKEN OR THE ROOF STRUCTURE INSIDE THE BUILDING. UM, IT COULD BE FLAT AGAINST THAT WALL, WHICH IS, UH, UNINTERRUPTED EXCEPT FOR THAT, UM, OPEN SPACE THAT I SEE. BUT I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE SOME KIND OF HOMAGE TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND. I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE REFERENCES TO THE LOOK OF THE WALKWAY IN PLANO GRAPHIC FORM, BUT PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA EXPERIENCE IT IN PLANO GRAPHIC FORM. THEY'RE GONNA EXPERIENCE IT BY WALKING THROUGH IT AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA SEE, OH, THIS REPRESENTS THE ROOF FORM AND THE COLUMNS IN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. AND THEY'D HAVE TO GO INTO THE, TO LOOK AT THE MODEL TO SEE ANY KIND OF REFERENCE TO IT. UM, I WAS HOPING FOR SOMETHING MORE IN THE INTERIOR. UM, THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. SO IF YOU GO TO THE PERSPECTIVE, UH, VIEW, PLEASE. THERE YOU GO. SO ARE YOU ABLE TO TAKE THAT LITTLE BLACK TRIANGLE SHADOW PORTION THAT'S ON THE GROUND AT THE BA BASE OF EACH COLUMN? ARE YOU ABLE TO REPLICATE THAT AND PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE TOP OF THE COLUMN WHERE THE CONCRETE MEETS THE METAL POLE AND THEN HAVE IT, UH, MIRROR WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AT THAT LEVEL TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF SHADE OF TRELLIS WITH MAYBE TWO POLES ON THE OTHER END, YOU KNOW, TWO POLES AND THEN IT ANCHORED AT THE COLUMN AT THE TOP THERE? ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE EXPRESSED PREVIOUSLY IS THAT IF WE GET TO PLAYFUL WITH HOW WE TRYING TO REFERENCE 1322, WE START TO MOCK 1322 IN MIMICRY AS OPPOSED TO CELEBRATE IT. AND IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD NOT BE OF THE SCALE OR THE, THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING FACILITY. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD NOT FIT IN WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE NEW FACILITY EITHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMM. JUST, I, WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS IT'S NOT A RECONSIDERATION OF DEMOLITION OF 1322. IT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2024 WITH SPECIFIC MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS. AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS MET THE MITIGATION OBLIGATIONS IN A WAY THAT ALIGNS WITH THE PRIOR STIPULATIONS. SO GIVEN THAT [00:30:01] I WOULD ASK, UM, JUST A LOT OF TALK HAS AND THOUGHT HAS BEEN GIVEN INTO THE, UH, THE, THE DESIGN AND THE HOMAGE. AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO TELL US HOW A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WOULD UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING WITHOUT ANY PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THE BUILDING. I THINK THAT THE SIGNIFICANCE, WHETHER WE DO SOMETHING HERE OR WE INCORPORATED SOMETHING VERTICAL, UM, TO GO BACK TO A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE AT A PREVIOUS DRC, THE BUILDING HAS BEEN LONG FORGOTTEN AND THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE AWARE IT'S THERE. AND SO TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION ONCE THE BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED, IS GONNA REQUIRE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT. RIGHT? PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REFERENCE THAT 3D MODEL TO SEE, THERE USED TO BE SOMETHING HERE THAT HAD THAT SAME SHAPE, WHETHER IT'S VERTICAL OR WHETHER IT'S HORIZONTAL. SO I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE BECOME A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT REGARDLESS OF IF THIS IS A, UM, A A 3D VIEW OR I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, A FLAT PERSPECTIVE OR A 3D VIEW. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS HAVE SOMETHING THAT WORKED KIND OF IN BOTH, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THESE RETAINING WALLS ARE COMING UP OUT OF THE GROUND TO REFLECT A BIT OF THAT OVERHANG THAT THE BUILDING HAD. UM, AND I THINK THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE, WE CAN TELL THAT STORY. THAT'D BE JUST AS COMPELLING AS A STORY WE WOULD TELL IF WE JUST HAD A COLUMN STICKING UP OUT OF THE GROUND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, THE DESIGN AS IT RELATES AGAIN TO THE USER. UH, LOOKING, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE NUMBER 14. IN THE PDF SHOWING THE FLOOR PLAN, THERE ARE TWO SEGMENTS OF THE WALKWAY OF THE PEO. UM, UM, ONE IS SHORTER, ONE TOWARDS THE NORTH, UM, THE NORTH IS A SHORTER SEGMENT WITH FOUR SIX BAYS. AND THE LONGER SEGMENT IS WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING THE LANDSCAPE WORK THAT UTILIZES THE MATERIALS CORRECT. AND THE ABSTRACTED, UM, UM, EXPRESSION OF THOSE ARCHES. WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF THE LONGER WALKWAY? OH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING OFF MY HEAD. BUT I'D SAY IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ABOUT A 180 TO 200 FEET. OKAY. AND SO IF SOMEBODY IS WALKING THROUGH THEIR, SAY THEY'VE COME OFF THEIR PLANE, THEY'VE PICKED UP THEIR BAGGAGE, THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THAT SMALL SEGMENT, THEY'RE GONNA GOING TO BE GIVEN A CHOICE. DO I STAY INSIDE? DO I GO OUTSIDE TO WALK? CORRECT. UM, THAT MAKES THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'VE STARTED THEIR JOURNEY INSIDE. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SHORT ASSUMPTION. UM, THEY COULD HAVE ALREADY HAVE EXITED OUT INTO THE POEO AND BEEN WALKING ALONG THE SHORT SECTION OKAY. AS WELL. OR COMING FROM TERMINALS A OR B AS WELL. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THE REVERSE IS TRUE FROM THE GARAGE. UM, SO ALONG THAT LONGEST SECTION, HOW MANY OTHER ENTRY POINTS ARE THERE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE GARAGE? THERE ARE A TOTAL OF THREE ENTRY POINTS ALONG THERE. THERE'S ONE AT EITHER END, CORRECT. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS IN THE CENTER AT THE JOINT. CORRECT. AT THE CRUMB OF THOSE TWO PARTS. RIGHT. BUT FROM THAT FULCRUM TO THE GARAGE, THERE'S NOTHING, RIGHT? UM, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONE IN THERE YES. FROM THE GARAGE. BECAUSE, UM, I GUESS MY POINT BEING IS I WANNA BETTER UNDERSTAND IF YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TO WALK INDOORS, HOW MANY OPPORTUNITIES DO YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AND GO OUTSIDE TO EXPERIENCE THESE MATERIALS REGARD TO THE RENDERING THAT IS INSIDE SHOWING THE MODEL? UM, THERE IS, IT MAY NOT BE IN THIS RENDER. I BELIEVE IT'S ON THE, ON THE BAY. WE CAN'T SEE HERE THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ENTRANCE OR EXIT FROM THE BUILDING HERE IN THE CENTER AS WELL. IN THE CENTER. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE WITH OUR WEATHER, AS SOMEBODY IS BROUGHT UP, UM, TYPICALLY A TRAVELER MAY VERY WELL TAKE THE, THE SHORTER STRAIGHTER ROUTE, THE CONDITIONED ROUTE AND NOT HAVE ANY AWARENESS OF WHAT THAT LANDSCAPE IS ALL ABOUT. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT, THOSE LINKS ARE AND WHAT THOSE ACCESS POINTS ARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAYMAN. NO QUESTIONS. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ON ON, UH, PAGE 11 AND 12, UH, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE MATERIAL, UM, TEXTURE OR COLOR, UH, PROVIDING A, A, A MORE LITERAL, UM, UM, EXPERIENCE OF THE SHAPE. SO THE CLEAR STORY COVER IS SHOWN LIGHT AND, AND IN PAGE 12, IT'S A LIMESTONE AND, AND THE, UH, THE, THE OLDER T SHAPE, UH, IS A DARKER COLOR. IT SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PERSON THAT IS A LAY LAYMAN WALKING THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE [00:35:01] THEIR ABILITY TO, TO DO WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO IS TO SEE WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE THE, THE, THE Y SHAPE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE, TO THE CHAIR, TO THE BENCH. NOW THERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LITERAL, BUT, BUT JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH IS WHICH FROM PAGE 1112, AND THEN WHAT'S UP, UH, 11 HERE. THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A PERSPECTIVE, BUT IN THE PLAN 11 AND 12, THEY SEEM TO BE DIFFERENT. SO IT SEEMS THAT, THAT THERE SHOULD BE A MORE, UM, A MORE LITERAL, UH, ATTEMPT TO, TO, TO BRING THESE SHAPES TOGETHER SO THAT IF YOU'RE A DRONE FLYING OVER IT, YOU'LL SEE IT AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE EFFECT THAT YOU'RE AFTER. BUT I, I WANNA ASK A, A QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE OLD BUILDING, UH, IS, WAS THE OLD BUILDING IN A PLACE THAT PROHIBITS ANY ASPECT OF IT FROM STANDING? IT IS, UH, IT PREVENTED US FROM REALIZING THE REST OF THE EXPANSION BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF IN THE WAY OF AIRCRAFT MOVEMENT, SERVICE, ROADS, AND THIS PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY GIVEN THAT WE'RE ALREADY BOUND BY THE EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORK THAT'S OUT THERE. SO, AND THERE WAS NO ASPECT OF IT THAT THAT COULD, UH, REMAIN AS AN ARTIFACT. THERE REALLY WASN'T. AND, AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE HAD IS THAT THE BUILDING IS BUILT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE CAN'T DO PARTIAL DEMOLITIONS, RIGHT? IT, IT'S ALL THIS ONE INTEGRAL COMPONENT THAT, UM, THE SURVEYORS THAT DID THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT THEY COULDN'T REMOVE PARTS OF IT AND REUSE THEM. OKAY. WELL, I, LET ME JUST SAY THAT, THAT, UH, I CAN, ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS I APPRECIATE ABOUT WHAT YOU PRESENTED IS THAT IT, IT FORCED, UH, PARTICULAR DESIGN THAT OTHERWISE WOULDN'T HAVE OCCURRED. SO IT MEANS THAT Y'ALL WERE AFFECTED AND HAD TO WORK WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS YOU WOULD'VE RATHER NOT DONE. SO. SO IT'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY IMPORTANT I THINK TO SAY, UM, MOVING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA DUMB DOWN WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU PERHAPS ARE, ARE GONNA BE DOING, UH, BUT, UM, THAT WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED SHOULD, SHOULD TRY ITS BEST TO GET AS FAR LAYMAN VISUALLY AS IT POSSIBLY CAN BEING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT EXPERIENCE IS GONNA BE FROM ABOVE ANYWAY. UM, BUT IN TERMS OF MATERIALITY, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TIE ITSELF TOGETHER AS BEST AS IT POSSIBLY CAN. MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, ANYTHING TO ADD? COMMISSIONER? FESTER? UM, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, HAVE A MOTION IN A MOMENT, SIR, BUT I JUST WANT TO ADD, UM, MY COMMENTS IN HERE. I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST WENT TO VISIT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING AND, UM, COMMISSIONER FESTER, MYSELF, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UM, AND SOME OTHERS, UM, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO US THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING WITH HIS HISTORICAL NATURE OF THAT BUILDING, THAT IDEALLY WE, WE WANTED THAT TO REMAIN IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. I, UM, I APPLAUD Y'ALL FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN TRYING TO, TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS THROUGH THE SHADOWS AND THINGS OF NATURE, AND JUST UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT HAPPY, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS BECAUSE THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A PIECE OF HISTORY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, ESPECIALLY US HERE ON THE COMMISSION AND OF COURSE, UM, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO TRY TO RETAIN AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. SO, UM, I, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEYOND TODAY, WHEREVER WAY THIS BOAT GOES, THAT YOU CONTINUE TO TRY TO INCORPORATE MORE AND TRY TO DO THINGS, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE, TO GIVE REVERENCE TO THE BUILDING. A SIGN INSIDE IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, THE SHADOWS ARE, ARE NICE, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF NATURE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAS TO STOP AND PAY ATTENTION AND FOCUS ON THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME OF MY OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE SAID IS, YOU KNOW, MORE REVERENCE SHOULD IT BE, YOU KNOW, PLACED TO THAT. SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, UM, WITH YOU, SIR. UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL, UM, THINGS YOU WANNA SAY BEFORE WE, UM, DO A MOTION HERE? NO, I DO NOT. THANK YOU. MOTION, PLEASE, SIR. YES. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE ENCLOSED CONNECTOR BETWEEN THE NEW TERMINAL AND THE PARKING GARAGE WITH A, UH, CONTINUATION OF STUDYING COMMEMORATING BUILDING 1322 ON THE EXTERIOR PASSE, ESPECIALLY AS YOU GO THROUGH SELECTIVE DEMOLITION AND, UH, FINDING [00:40:01] WHAT PARTS AND PIECES MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE SALVAGED AND REUSED. IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. AND MAY I HAVE A NEW MOTION, PLEASE? I'LL DO A MOTION. MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD, MA'AM. I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SAY IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. UM, ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? YEAH, MS, CAN I SAY SOMETHING OR YOU, YOU'RE UP. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE FIRST. GO AHEAD. UH, AND I THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS THE SECOND TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM AS HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, ADDING THE STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, I THINK WE'RE CONFUSING, UM, SALVAGE AND MITIGATION TO CREATING AN EXPERIENCE. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING BEYOND OUR PURVIEW. I THINK THE, WE ARE ASKING FOR MITIGATION AND PRESERVATION, AND IT'S BEEN SOME, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLIED WITH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER GEVA? NOTHING FURTHER, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ZUKA. I STILL WISH THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME KIND OF HOMAGE. IT COULD EVEN BE ON THE FLOOR IN THE FORM OF THE TERRAZZO, UH, BEING SOME KIND OF IMAGES OF THE BUILDING, UH, THE ENTIRE BUILDING OR PARTS OF THE BUILDING. SOMETHING THAT THAT DEFINES AND GIVES HOMAGE TO THE, TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I WAS MORE LIKELY TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FETZER'S MOTION. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. I THINK THAT, UM, WHAT IS BEING ASKED FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT IS FAIRLY EASY. IT'S NOT CUMBERSOME. AND I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE DOES NOT PAY ENOUGH HOMAGE TO THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO, UH, TEAR DOWN AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, INCORPORATE INTO THE, TO THE GROUND ASPECT THERE. UM, IT'S NOT HARD. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, AND I THINK YOU CAN DO A LITTLE BETTER. AND I DON'T THINK THIS DOES JUSTICE TO THE AIRPORT, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, OR THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AS IT STANDS. UM, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. HOLLER. I, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE. UM, RESPONDING DIRECTLY TO THE STIPULATIONS, PARTICULARLY THE REQUIREMENT TO SALVAGE AND REUSE MATERIALS. UM, I FEEL THE MEANINGFUL REFERENCE TO THE DEMOLISHED STRUCTURE, UH, WITH THE REUSE OF MATERIALS. UM, I, IT'S, TO ME, I GET, UH, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S AN ABSTRACTION. UM, AND WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER IS, UH, NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE HAPPY. UM, TO ME, THE SHADOW LANDSCAPE STRATEGY DIRECTLY REFERENCES THE FORMER FACADE FOOTPRINT, AND I CAN SEE IT, UH, THE APPLICATION TO ME DEMONSTRATES A GOOD FAITH COMPLIANCE WITH PRIOR HDRC DIRECTION AND STRENGTHENS THE PUBLIC'S UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT ADDITIONAL DELAY OR REDESIGN WOULD MATERIALLY IMPROVE COMPLIANCE. AND, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE WE WOULD BE GOING FOR. UH, AT, AT SOME POINT INSISTING ON MORE LITERAL OR ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSIONS, UH, IS GONNA MOVE US FROM A PRE PRESERVATION REVIEW INTO, UH, PRESCRIBING PRESCRIBING DESIGN SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS NOT THE COMMISSION'S PURVIEW. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, COMMISSIONER SABINO? YEAH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THIS REQUEST, THE PRIMARY PORTION BEING THE DESIGN OF THE WALKWAY, THE BUILDING, THE STRUCTURE. UM, USUALLY WE VIEW THESE CASES, UM, WITH THE STRUCTURE BEING PRIMARY, BEING THE, THE MAIN, UM, EMPHASIS. SO, UH, LOOKING AT THE FINDINGS ON FINDING D AS NOTED, FINDING BA STIPULATION, THE APPROVAL OF BUILDING 1322 WAS THAT EVERY EFFORT BE MADE TO SALVAGE AND REUSED MATERIALS AND DESIGN ELEMENTS FROM BUILDING 1322. AND THAT'S JUST ON THE WALKWAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE MOST YOU COULD SALVAGE FOR THE WALKWAY DESIGN WAS THE STRIP OF TRAVERTINE RIGHT UP BY THE STOREFRONT WINDOWS. AND THAT'S IT. THE REMAINING REUSE AND SALVAGE AND EVEN OF AN ABSTRACTED ARCH, SHADOW ARCH IS ALL OCCURRING IN THE [00:45:01] LANDSCAPE. AND I THINK THE LANDSCAPE TENDS TO BE, IT'S IN A, WE'RE IN A HARSH CLIMATE. I, I DOUBT THIS WILL EVER LOOK THIS WAY AS BEING PRESENTED IN A RENDERING. IT'S ALWAYS MY BEEF WITH RENDERINGS. THEY NEVER LOOK THAT WAY IN REALITY. SO I'M KIND OF DUBIOUS ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO TURN OUT. SO IT MAKES ME SKEPTICAL NATURALLY. IT'S THE BUILDING THAT ENDURES, AND IF ALL WE'RE USING IS THAT STRIP OF SOVEREIGNTY, AND THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO, I'M SADDENED BY THAT, THAT, UM, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS COULDN'T APPEAR IN A MORE STRUCTURAL WAY. NOW, THE, THE SHADOW DESIGN IN THE LANDSCAPE, IT'S ABSTRACTED BECAUSE YOU WOULD NEVER, EVER SEE THAT FORM IN THAT SHADOW AS THAT FORM. WHAT YOU SEE, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IS SORT OF A PHOTOCOPY OF THE ARCH AND JUST PLOPPED ON THE GROUND. IT WOULD NEVER APPEAR AS A SHADOW THAT WAY, EVER. SO IT, HOW IT WILL TIE INTO THE USER THROUGH THE BUILDING IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO ME. AND HOW THAT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THAT PREVIOUS BUILDING IN THE NEW WALKWAY DESIGN, THE NEW STRUCTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS THAT I ACTUALLY LIKE THE WALKWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, COMPONENT OF THIS. UM, I, I LIKE THE FACT THAT I CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WALK THROUGH THIS AND, UH, POTENTIALLY LEARN ABOUT THE, THE ROOF OR THE HISTORIC PART OF THE, THE BUILDING, UH, AND IT MIMICS THAT AND EVERYTHING. SO I, I LIKE THIS. I, WHAT I WOULD, UM, SUGGEST IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE OUTSIDE, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, ETCH SOME OF THAT INTO THE SIDEWALK, LIKE HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN AND EXPERIENCE THAT, UM, ON THE SIDEWALK AS THEY'RE, AS THEY'RE WALKING THROUGH IT, SO THEY DON'T THINK IT'S JUST SOME OTHER SIDEWALK? UM, THEN, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY SUGGESTION. BUT I, I, I LIKE THE DESIGN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. COMMISSIONER MANN. NO COMMENT. CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. MR. CHAIR. THE, THE, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF THE, OF THE, OF THE CASE HERE IS THAT, UM, THERE'S THIS FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT DEMOLITION IS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THE FUNCTION OF, OF, UH, THE MAIN CONVERSATION. SO, SO IT SEEMS THAT IF THE BUILDING HAD BEEN ABLE TO BE SAVED AS AN ARTIFACT, THEN THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE TOP, UH, OBJECTIVE. BUT IT SEEMS THAT THIS DECISION WAS MADE THAT A DEMOLITION IS THAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA GO AWAY, THESE ATTEMPTS TO, TO KEEP THE BUILDING ALIVE OR ARE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, SECOND TO THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING GOT TORN DOWN, OR IS, IS GETTING TORN DOWN BY, BY DECISION ALREADY? UH, THE, THE, THE, THE WORK THAT THE FIRM HAS GONE INTO TO BE INFORMED BY THAT INFORMATION MAY NOT GO FAR ENOUGH FOR, FOR SOME, OR, OR MAYBE GO TOO FAR FOR, FOR OTHERS. BUT I THINK ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE EXPLORABLE IS THIS IDEA THAT FRAGMENTS OF THE DEMOLISHED, UM, UH, BUILDING. AND I HEARD IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT, THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE ARTISTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN, IN, UH, THE, I GUESS THE PERCENTAGE THAT THAT WOULD GO TO PUBLIC ART. RIGHT? BUT I THINK AS WELL, UH, IT MIGHT BE BE WORTH EXPLORING, UM, HOW LARGE PIECES ARE, ARE FOUND, UM, ABSTRACTLY IN THE LANDSCAPE. NOT, NOT AS THINGS THAT ARE GROWN OVER, BUT AS PIECES THAT ARE THERE AS, AS A LIVING MUSEUM, UH, MUCH LIKE WE FIND IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE BUILDINGS FALL AND THEY'RE LEFT THERE AND THEY BECOME THINGS THAT, UH, THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY. THEY HAVE TO BE THERE FOR THE NEXT GOD KNOWS HOW LONG THE SITE OF THE AIRPORT IS. A IS A MASSIVE SITE. UH, SOMETIMES, UH, THERE ARE RUSTIC THINGS CREATED AND PUT, UH, TO, TO TO, TO GET A PARTICULAR LOOK HERE. WE HAVE SOME PIECES THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE TFOR OR Y FORMS COULD, COULD FIND THEMSELVES IN THE, IN THE FURTHER DISTANCE AS, AS PARTS THAT WERE BROKEN APART, BUT THAT AREN'T IN THE WAY OF THE AIRPLANES AND AREN'T IN THE WAY OF WHAT IT, WHATEVER YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING HERE. AND MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED FURTHER THE USE OF THOSE PIECES, SIR, WITHIN THE ENTRY AND EXIT. COMMISSIONER QUEZ, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE, SIR. UH, THAT, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YES, THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO THE DEMOLITION HAS ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING. IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S FOR US TO JUDGE WHETHER HOW MUCH SALVAGE WAS DONE OR [00:50:01] NOT. WE CAN BE SADDENED OR WHATEVER, BUT I MEAN, LIKE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUDGE THAT OR, OR NOT APPROVE SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE DON'T AGREE THAT ONLY ONE PIECE OR TWO PIECES ARE GONNA BE SALVAGED. UM, SOMEBODY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT HOMAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN IN OUR PURVIEW. THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE QUESTION TO STAFF. IT'S LIKE, HOW MUCH ARE WE TO JUDGE? WHAT IS ENOUGH HOMAGE AT BRONZE? PLAQUE IS THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTING, THEY'RE DOING A VIDEO. I MEAN, TO BE HONEST, AS FOR AN EXPERIENCE AS THE PROGESTERONE OUTSIDE OR INSIDE A VIDEO SHOWING HOW THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED AND HOW IT'S BEEN REBUILT IS MUCH MORE IMPACTFUL THAN MAYBE AN ARCH THAT'S MITIGATING SOME HISTORIC ELEMENT FROM THE BUILDING AND THE Y OR IN THE BENCH. OR LIKE, I, THAT'S WHERE I'M SAYING LIKE, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO REMOVE A LITTLE BIT PERSONAL OPINION AND JUDGE WHAT IS ENOUGH EFFORT AND NOT, AND I THINK WE'D LOOK AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHAT IS OUR PRE AND WHAT IS THE APPLICANT REALLY DONE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. THAT'S WHY THIS MOTION, AND THIS IS WHY I MADE THAT MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, COMMISSIONER FEER? YES. UM, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS STAND AS IT STANDS. UM, I BELIEVE THE, THE EFFORT, JUST LIKE THE DEMOLITION APPROVAL STATEMENT, SAID THAT EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO SALVAGE AND REUSE MATERIALS AND DESIGN ELEMENTS FROM BUILDING 1322. AND AS DEMOLITION HAS ACT, SELECTIVE DEMOLITION HAS ACTUALLY NOT STARTED. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. CORRECT. EXPLORATORY DEMOLITION. SO WE'VE STARTED REMOVING SOME OF THE TRAVERTINE TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GONNA COME OFF THE BUILDING IF IT'S LITTLE PIECES OR CAN WE GET USABLE CHUNKS OF IT? OKAY. SO AS THE BUILDING IS SELECTIVELY DEMOLISHED, UM, I STILL THINK EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO LOOK AT THE PARTS AND PIECES AND SEE HOW THEY MIGHT BE INCORPORATED INTO THE, UM, THE COMMEMORATION OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS PART OF THE MITIGATION, UH, REQUEST. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE'S A SENSITIVE TOPIC. UM, SO, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND, AND FOR ALL THE, UH, WORK YOU'VE DONE THUS FAR TO GET US TO THIS POINT HERE. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SAVINO NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. BAZOOKA NAY. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NO. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER NAY AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 3, 5 0 2 EAST NEVA. UM, MR. UH, TOBY BURKE IS HERE IN PERSON, CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SCOPE OF WORK. DO I? YES SIR. COME TO THE MIC, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. AND THEN COMMISSIONER FESTER HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. OKAY. UH, DO I NEED TO PRESENT? I DON'T DUNNO WHAT TO DO. DO I PRESENT SOMETHING OR ANSWER QUESTIONS? YOU JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND THEN IF, UM, THEN COMMISSIONER FES FESTIVAL GUIDE YOU IF YOU NEED ANY, IF YOU NEED ANYTHING FOR US. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. UM, GOTTA INTRODUCE YOURSELF. I'M TOBY BURKE. I'M THE SENIOR PASTOR OF ST. JOHN'S LUTHERAN CHURCH. I'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT TWO YEARS, AND BORN AND RAISED AT THE CHURCH AND BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO AND, UM, BACK OFF OF, UH, MILITARY SERVICE AND BACK IN TOWN. SO, UM, HAPPY TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER PESTER? YES. UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE, UH, FENCING IN THE, THE GATES TO PROTECT THE, THE CHURCH AND THE ARTIFACT. UH, WHAT I AM, WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT THE, UH, THE FRONT GATES, UH, AS DESIGNED, ACTUALLY COMPETE WITH AND DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC FRONT, UH, LIMESTONE ELEMENTS OF THE CHURCH. AND, UH, WONDERING IF Y'ALL HAD EXPLORED SOMETHING MUCH SIMILAR, UH, SIMPLER IN DESIGN SO THAT, UH, THE DOORS BEYOND AND THE LIMESTONE CARVINGS AND ALL THAT COULD BE READ THROUGH THE GRILL INSTEAD OF BEING OBSCURED BY THIS DESIGN. SURE. THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, THIS IS, UM, IF THE DOORS THEMSELVES DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THEY'RE JUST REALLY PLAIN WOODEN DOORS. UM, AND WE TOOK SPECIAL CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE SUN WORK WAS NOT HIDDEN AND WAS ACTUALLY DISPLAYED AND COMPLIMENTED, UM, THE ASPECTS IN THE GATE [00:55:01] KIND OF PULLED THEM OUT. SO, UH, WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE LET THE, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH, YOU KNOW, SHINE THROUGH DESPITE, UM, US TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH VERY PRACTICAL THINGS. OKAY. AND THEN TWO OTHER QUESTIONS. ONE, THE, THE SIDE WINDOW GRILL, WHICH SHOWS ON SHEET 15, THE DESIGN AGAIN, UH, HAS SOME ORNATE ELEMENTS, WHICH ACTUALLY OBSCURE, AT LEAST IN THIS PHOTO, OBSCURE THE, UH, PART OF THE DECORATIVE WINDOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE, THE HEAD MM-HMM . AND WONDERING IF THAT COULD BE, UM, MODIFIED SO THAT THE WINDOW READS AS PROMINENT, AS OPPOSED TO THE GRILL. YES, SIR. WE LOOKED AT, UM, OPTIONS, MAYBE LIKE SOME SORT OF A REINFORCED GLASS OR SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF IRON WORK. UM, WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT DOES CONDENSATION DO TO THAT? WHAT DOES, YOU KNOW, IF IT GETS DISCOLORED THROUGH TIME, HOW, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE, TO THE WINDOW? UM, THE COVERINGS THAT WE HAVE ON THE WINDOW, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THINGS GOING THROUGH THAT. WE HAD BARS IN OTHER PLACES AND PEOPLE SQUEEZED THROUGH THE BARS. UM, THE, THE, UH, UM, THE STAINED GLASS ITSELF IS KIND OF LIKE REINFORCED AND WE HAD PEOPLE PUNCH IN WINDOWS AND, AND DESTROY THINGS. AND SO WE WANTED A WAY TO KIND OF TIGHTEN UP, UH, BECAUSE REPLACING HISTORIC STUFF IS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PROTECTING IT. AND SO, UM, WE THOUGHT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT WE THOUGHT THE, THE IRON, THE METAL WORK WOULD, UH, WOULD MATCH UP BETTER WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE GOING ON AS WELL AS KIND OF BE MORE OF A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. OKAY. AND MORE OF A CLASSICAL FEEL AS WELL. THE, THE, THE, UH, THE GLASS, UH, SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE KIND OF A, A MODERN FIX. UM, BUT WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD TURN OUT AND THIS SEEMS LIKE IT WAS MORE OF A, UM, A TRADITIONAL, UH, FEEL TO THE BUILDING AS WELL. WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, DRAWING PHOTO, UM, HAVING THE ORNATE, UH, IRON WORK UP AT THE TOP OF THAT GRILL STARTS TO OBSCURE THE, UH, STAINED GLASS ITSELF. SO IT, UH, ON THE BOTTOM, YOU, THE GRILL DOESN'T SEEM TO, UH, COMPETE WITH THE STAINED GLASS BELOW. AND WONDERING IF THAT TOP ORNATE GRILL, UH, METAL WORK COULD BE SIMPLIFIED, MAYBE JUST CONTINUE THE VERTICAL MARSH. OH, SURE. WE'RE, WE'RE STRAIGHT UP. WE'RE EXTREMELY FLEXIBLE ON, ON, UH, THE WINDOW COVERINGS, . OKAY. WE, UH, WE'RE VERY OPEN TO OPTIONS AND, AND, UH, CHANGING THINGS UP. OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE, THE, AND IT MAY JUST BE THE WAY THE DRAWING IS PRESENTED, THE GRILL AT THE SOUTH END ARCADE, UH, THE DESCRIPTION SAYS THAT IT'S A GATE, BUT THIS DRAWING, UH, SEEMS TO SHOW THAT IT'S A SINGLE FIXED GRILL. IS IT ACTUALLY A PAIR OF GATES? I I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO GET APPROVED HERE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS SUBMITTED. SO IS THIS COMING BACK TO US AT A LETTER DATE? THE DESIGN OF THIS? UH, POSSIBLY, YEAH. IT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. AND THAT IS, YEAH, IT'S, THIS IS IF, THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING OF. OKAY. THIS ONE IS INSIDE THE, THE FACILITY. THIS IS NOT, SORRY, THIS IS NOT, UM, ON THE STREET. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A DIFFERENT ONE. THIS ONE IS INSIDE, UH, THE PARKING LOT AND THIS ONE IS ALREADY UP. AND IT IS A GATE. IT IS, IT IS A, IT IS A SWINGING GATE AND NOT JUST A ONE PIECE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. UM, DID WE LOSE, LOSE COMMISSIONER GROUP? DID WE LOSE COMMISSIONER GROUP? SHE LEFT, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER GODA QUESTIONS? NO COMMENTS? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ZUKA? NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER SANTES? NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER SABINO? YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE, UM, I GUESS UNDERSTANDING THE, THE REQUEST THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER HAD REGARDING THE FRONT GATES MM-HMM . UH, ON THE VERY FRONT DOOR, AND I GUESS THAT'S NUMBER 11. SO WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SIMPLIFY THE DESIGN OF THIS ONE, THIS UNIT TO WHERE THERE ARE MORE, PERHAPS MORE BARS, PERHAPS IT LOOKS MORE LIKE THE GATE ENCLOSURE ON THE PORTICO THAT WE LOOKED AT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER MM-HMM . SOME BARS, PERHAPS A LITTLE DECORATIVE ELEMENT ON A BORDER UP AT THE TOP MM-HMM . BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU COULD DO IS SIMPLIFY IT TO THAT DEGREE? UH, I GUESS [01:00:01] WE COULD, UM, KIND OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN IN LATA THERE'S A LOT OF VERY BOLD PIECES OF ART. THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, VERY, UM, UM, BOLD EXPRESSIONS OF, OF, OF WHAT IS. AND SO WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS GATE IS, IS DOING IS TAKING ALL OF THE ARCHITECTURE FROM ST. JOHN'S AND BRINGING IT OUT INTO THE FRONT GATE. SO EVERYTHING ON EVERY PIECE OF ARTWORK ON THAT GATE IS, IS FROM THE INSIDE OF THE CHURCH. MM-HMM . AND FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE CHURCH AND BROUGHT INTO EXPRESS, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE CHURCH, THIS IS THE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S ALREADY HERE, AND KIND OF BRINGING IT TOGETHER. AND SO, UM, WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL FOR SAN ANTONIO AND NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST GONNA BE, UM, VERY BLAND AND, AND PLAIN AND, AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF ADDS TO WHERE WE'RE AT AND NOT JUST KIND OF JUST GET THE JOB DONE. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT COULD NOT BE SIMPLIFIED IN ANY WAY? OH, IT COULD, IT COULD, WE WOULD JUST HOPE THAT ITS NOT, THERE'S SOME LOVELY, YOU KNOW, BALL RELIEF UP THERE AND THE STONE AND BRICK AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON, AND I'M AFRAID IT, IT WOULD ALMOST COMPETE TOO MUCH AND TAKE THE ATTENTION AWAY FROM WHAT'S ALREADY THERE ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. UM, BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS BEAUTIFUL ON ITS OWN MM-HMM . SO I JUST WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DEGREE TO WHICH YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO SIMPLIFYING THAT PARTICULAR, UM, GATE. YES, MA'AM. YEAH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GOWAY. NO COMMENT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAYMAN. I GUESS, UM, KEEPING ON COMMISSIONER ENO'S COMMENTS OR QUESTION IS MAYBE THE SIMPLIFICATION, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GOES INTO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE SIMPLIFICATION IS JUST ON THE OUTER PARTS AND NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN THE DOORWAY FRAMING OR, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE INFILL NEEDED FOR SECURITY TOTALLY. UM, BUT IT JUST, UH, SEEMS LIKE A, UH, QUITE A LOT OF DETAIL AND PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF ON, UM, AND DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST BALANCE OF SECURITY EXPRESSING THE DECORATIVE ARTWORK THAT'S INSIDE THE CHURCH. MM-HMM . AS WELL AS ALLOWING THE EXISTING STONEWORK AND MASONRY TO BE THE FOCAL POINT TOO. MM-HMM . AND, AND WE, I GUESS WE WOULD THINK THAT IT, IT, IT, UH, IT AMPLIFIES THE, THE, WE WOULD ARGUE IT AMPLIFIES THE BEAUTY . I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WOULD DISAGREE. RIGHT. BUT, UM, WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T COVER UP ANY CARVINGS. AND, AND I, I GUESS WE WOULD, WE WOULD ARGUE IT KIND OF MAKES 'EM POP , BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME NO FURTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, EDWARD, I THOUGHT THAT THAT, UH, RELIGIOUS FACILITIES WERE OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO OR PRESERVATION? I MEAN, NO. I MEAN, THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT IMPACTS THE LOCAL DESIGNATION, THE NEW LOCAL DESIGNATION OF RELIGIOUS OWNED PROPERTIES, BUT IT DOESN'T IMPACT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY DESIGNATED. OKAY. UH, WELL THEN I HAVE A QUESTION. IT SEEMS THAT, THAT THE PLACEMENT OF THE GATE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT OR ALREADY HAD IT MADE, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE PLACEMENT OF IT IS IN A PLACE THAT IF YOU WERE DOING IT ORIGINALLY, THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT, IT WOULD GO WITHIN THE BOX THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO DETAIL ALREADY. AND THEN YOU CAN PROBABLY AS BE AS ORNATE AS YOU WANT, BUT I, I CAN'T SEE WHETHER THE DOOR WOULD OPEN INTO IT OR HOW THAT WOULD BE DEALT WITH. IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE IDEAL BECAUSE THEN THE DOOR COULD CLOSE INTO THE WALL WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE OPEN, AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE CLOSED. IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GATE ITSELF AT THE MOUTH, NOT, NOT WHERE THE DESIGNS ARE. MM-HMM . I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S PLACED IN THE 45 DEGREE. YES, SIR. SO THE, SOME OF THE HANDRAILS, UM, ARE, ARE RIGHT, ARE IN THE WAY OF THE, OF THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE THINGS MM-HMM . AS WELL AS TRYING TO, UH, BRING THE GATE OUT TO, UNDER THAT FIRST STEP TO, UH, GIVE IT, UH, MORE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, BUT ALSO TO YES, SIR. YEAH. THE, THE HANDRAILS, UM, ON THE WALLS ON THE SIDE, UM, THEY, THEY GET IN THE WAY OF, UH, OF THAT INSTALLATION. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE, WHEN YOU PUT THE, THE, THE THING THERE, YOU, YOU MAKE THE RAIL. KIND OF AN UNREAL, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, IT, NOW THE RAIL IS THIS THING THAT IS LIKE IN A PRISON WHERE, WHERE YOU CAN DEAL WITH, THERE'S A HUNDRED DIFFERENT WAYS TO DEAL WITH THE RAIL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE RAIL ALMOST REMAINS FUNCTIONAL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A SECONDARY ISSUE. TRYING, TRYING TO, TO DEAL WITH THE RAIL. THIS, THIS RAIL THAT IS, IS CONSEQUENTIAL TO A PERSON THAT NEEDS THE RAIL. BUT THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T [01:05:01] SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE. BUT THEN THE LITTLE CODE, THE X THE BOOK, ALL OF THAT STUFF GETS HIDDEN. YOU'RE NEVER GONNA SEE THAT. IT'LL BE GONE FOREVER. AND, AND, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT ANY, ANY SKILLED PERSON WOULDN'T PUT THE, THE GATE THERE. WHETHER YOU, WHETHER YOU WANTED TO DO IT OR NOT, YOU'D PUT IT IN, IN THE OPENING. UH, LET ME JUST SAY THAT. IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT IT, WHERE YOU'RE SHOWING IT MM-HMM . I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'LL LOOK AT IT AND I'LL GO, WELL, THAT'S WHERE THEY WANTED IT, RIGHT? . BUT, BUT IT SHOULD GO INSIDE. UNLESS THERE'S A SITUATION THAT'S NOT THE RAIL THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE LENGTH OF THE DOOR WHEN IT OPENS AND ALL OF THAT, BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT YOU HAVE IT ALL THE WAY OUT THERE. IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. YEAH. SO SOME OF THE, UH, DO I, CAN I YOU CAN ANSWER. GO AHEAD, SIR. OKAY. SO SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE, UM, UH, THINGS THAT WE TOOK UNDER CONSIDERATION WAS ONE, THE DOORS EACH FOLD, EACH ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS FOLDS. AND SO IT GIVES A COMPLETE OPEN WAY SO THAT WHEN SERVICES OR, OR ANYTHING'S HAPPENING THERE, LIKE IF WE HAVE A FUNERAL AND WE HAVE TO DO A RECESSION, THEN, UM, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE WAY. UM, SO THEY, THEY KIND OF FOLD OUT INTO THEMSELVES AND KIND OF DISAPPEAR INTO THEMSELVES ALMOST. UM, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I WANT, WE WANTED TO BRING IT OUT TO WHERE THE, THE, THAT, THAT STEP HAD HAD A BIT OF A, A BIT OF A, A BARRIER, UH, TO TOWARDS, UM, AGGRESSION OR, OR WHATEVER. AND AGAIN, TO, UH, TO KIND OF PUSH THE PERIMETER OF SECURITY OUT TO A, UH, THE FURTHEST POINT OF THAT STRUCTURE. AND, AND WE, WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE CHURCH. THIS IS THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE CHURCH. AND SO FOR US, IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE A LOT OF, OF PRIDE IN AND PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO AND, AND SAY A LOT, BECAUSE THIS IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE CHURCH. UM, IT'S NOT A SIDE ENTRANCE. IT'S NOT ONE OF MANY ENTRANCES. UM, THIS WAS, THIS WAS IT FOR THE HISTORY OF, OF THAT BUILDING. SO THERE IS ANOTHER WAY IN NOW, BUT THIS IS THE WAY THAT, UM, MOST PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE COMING INTO, UM, THE SANCTUARY TO WORSHIP OR TO COME TO A FUNERAL OR A WEDDING OR WHATEVER ELSE. AND SO THEY'RE COMING THROUGH THIS ENTRANCE WAY AND WE WANT, WE WANT, UH, THEIR VISIT TO SAN ANTONIO AND ST. JOHN'S TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS, IS SPECIAL AND, AND SAYS SOMETHING. ALRIGHT. AT LEAST THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENTION. , THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. UM, COMMISSIONER FITZER? YES. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO A SITE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, WHERE SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN COME OUT, MEET WITH YOU AND YOUR, YOUR STAFF AND THE DESIGNERS OF THE GRILL, AND FULLY UNDERSTAND WHERE AND HOW THE GRILL, UH, INTERFACES WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC LIMESTONE. SECOND, SECOND, BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ZER. UM, I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SECURITY IS, IS NEEDED, UH, AND UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS. AND YOU'RE ALSO TRYING TO CELEBRATE THE, UH, THE HISTORY AND THE, THE ELEMENTS OF THE, UH, SANCTUARY IN THAT. AND I THINK HAVING A SITE VISIT, UH, WILL HELP INFORM US AS TO YOUR INTENT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND SO I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SO WITH THE, WELL, NOT A QUESTION, BUT A COMMENT. UM, SO I'VE, I GO BY THIS CHURCH LIKE THREE TIMES A WEEK. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHEN I'M RUNNING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I SEE IT, SO, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO, BECAUSE I SEE, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I SEE THE UN UNHOUSED THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, CAMP IN THAT SPACE AND ALSO THE ONE THAT'S FURTHER DOWN, UM, ON THE CORNER OF, UM, THE WAVE. AND, UM, I FORGET THE INTERSECTION, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE SMALL AREAS, SO I UNDERSTAND. BUT, UM, THE DRCI THINK WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THAT ORNAMENTATION AND SEEING HOW IT ACTUALLY PLAYS INTO THIS, BECAUSE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL ENTRYWAY. SO, UM, I JUST HOPE YOU'RE AMENABLE TO THAT AND ABSOLUTELY, IF IT ACTUALLY GOES TO THAT. SO I'LL GIVE FINAL COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONERS ON COMMISSIONER GU. NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER, UH, CERVANTES? NO COMMENT, SIR. COMMISSIONER HOLLY? NO COMMENT. UM, COMMISSIONER SNO? NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. COMMISSIONER MAMAN. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. MR. I'M WONDERING IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, UM, WOULD, WOULD BE, IT SEEMED THAT THERE WERE, THERE WAS ONE OR TWO ELEMENTS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE. IF, IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO HAVE THOSE OFF OF THE MOTION [01:10:01] OR TO HAVE BEEN PASSED IN THE MOTION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REVISIT THEM AGAIN, THAT THEY, THERE, THERE WAS A, A GATE PANEL INSIDE THAT IS IN HERE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ALREADY APPROVED. LET ME REVIEW WHAT THE REQUEST IS. UM, I THINK IT'S AT PAGE THIR, UH, UH, 13, PAGE 13. I GUESS I'D AMEND MY MOTION TO, UH, SAY APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, ITEMS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE, UH, WITH A SITE DRC FOR ITEM ONE SECOND STANCE. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SENO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOU. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS 1301 EAST COMMERCE. THE APPLICANT, ASHLEY FAIRMAN IS HERE. UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE, UH, AN UPDATED, UH, PACKET THAT POTENTIALLY ADDRESSES SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. ASHLEY FAIRMONT KI GRIFFIN IN FAIRMONT 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE. UM, THANK YOU ALL. I, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A, A LOT AHEAD OF YOU, SO I'LL, I'LL BE QUICK. UM, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH DRC ON THIS SIGN, UM, AND HAD SOME ALTERNATIVE SIGNAGE, UM, THAT WE WERE PROPOSING AND ACTUALLY APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY LIKE THE TWO ALTERNATIVES BETTER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. UM, SO THE SITE HERE IS 1301, UM, EAST COMMERCE. HERE WE GO. THE STORE SPACE BUILDING, UH, IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING A SIGN ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING ECOMMERCE. UM, OPTION A, WHICH IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, UH, FOR HDRC CONSIDERATION. AND WHAT WAS WENT TO DRC, UM, WAS A RECTANGULAR SIGN ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. UM, IT, IT WAS LARGER, ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET, 20 BY 30. UM, AND THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM DRC WAS TO LOOK AT CONSIDERING WORKING WITH THE PANELS ON THAT CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO DESIGN A SIGN THAT LOOKS LIKE IT FITS IN BETTER WITH THE ARCHITECT EXTRA, EXCUSE ME, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS. UM, SO WE HAVE ONE OPTION THERE. AND THEN THE OTHER WAS TO LOOK AT THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING UNDER THE STORE SPACE SIGN. IT'S NOT GOING ANYMORE, SORRY. OKAY. SO, UM, OPTION B, AND THIS IS WHERE IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY UPDATED FROM WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET. UM, THIS ONE IS WORKING A MORE VERTICAL SIGN AND WORKS WITH THE PANELS OF THE BUILDING. UM, WHAT WE SHOWED YOU IN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO HGRC, WE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO GO OUT AND ACTUALLY MEASURE THOSE PANELS. UM, SO IT SHOWS A SIGN THAT IS ABOUT THIS SIZE, UM, BUT WITH ONE LESS PANEL. SO THE, THE 20.5 FEET BY ALMOST 15 FEET, UM, IS ACTUALLY SIX PANELS TALL. AND I THINK WHAT WAS INCLUDED WHEN THE APPLICATION WAS FIVE. UM, SO IT'S JUST BEEN, THIS RENDERING HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT HOW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK. AND I'M SORRY. AND IT'S 304 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION IS A MUCH LARGER SIGN, UM, AND TRYING TO WORK WITH THE EXISTING STORE SPACE SIGN. UH, SO THIS IS A, A HORIZONTAL SIGN, OBVIOUSLY THAT FITS UNDER THE STORE SPACE, BUT IT IS MUCH LARGER TO KIND OF WORK WITH THAT SIGNAGE. UM, SO AS, AS I MENTIONED, WE ACTUALLY PREFER THE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS, UM, TO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PESTER? YES, THANK YOU. UM, BECAUSE THERE WERE THREE OPTIONS IN THE SUBMITTAL. I PULLED THIS TO, UH, REVIEW THOSE OPTIONS. AND, UM, PERSONALLY I THINK THE OPTION B IS PREFERABLE TO THE OTHER TWO. IT'S THE SMALLEST, UH, OF THE THREE. IT ACTUALLY WORKS BETTER WITH THE, UH, BUILDING ELEMENTS. AND, UM, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF OPTION B IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. OKAY. GO AHEAD, SIR. YES, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH OPTION B AND ANY OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND [01:15:01] COMMENTS. I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, UH, ON THAT OPTION B, SIR, I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST ONE TOO. QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT SIGN FOR THE STORAGE SPACE, THE ONE THAT'S ON THE CORNER, UH, ON THE STREET THERE MM-HMM . HOW MUCH OF IT IS, DOES THAT SIGN OBSTRUCT THE VIEW OF, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, I DUNNO IF I HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF IT OR NOT, BUT IT WILL, I WOULD ASSUME CATTY CORNER STANDING CATTY CORNER, ANYWHERE AROUND THAT, THAT REGION IT WOULD COVER IT UP OR IMPEDE IT. SO ACTUALLY THE, IT COVERS UP MORE OF THIS SIGN, THE ORIGINAL ONE PROPOSED, UM, BUT IT WOULD STILL, I THINK, COVER SOME OF THE TOP OF THE VERTICAL SIGN, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO DISCOURAGE YOUR CUSTOMER TO, OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAMON. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. NAY, GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, UM, NEXT ITEM UP IS ITEM 16. UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO ITEM 16, I WANT TO, UM, REMIND EVERYONE THAT IS SPEAKING, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK UNLESS YOU ARE IN GIVEN TIME ADDED BY, YOU KNOW, SIGNED UP BY ANOTHER PARTICIPANT THAT THEY GRANTED YOU TIME. WHEN YOU HEAR THE BELL, THEY TELLING YOU THAT YOUR TIME IS UP. IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED YOUR COMMENTS, WRAP YOUR COMMENTS UP. OKAY? SO JUST RESPECT THE TIME 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF SPEAKERS HERE TODAY, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK AND EVERYONE RESPECTS THE TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY, SIR. COURT, DO WE HAVE ANY IN PERSON THAT YOU WANNA START WITH OR DO YOU WANNA START WITH VOICEMAIL? LET'S READ THE ITEM TO THE RECORD AND HAVE THE APPLICANT GIVE THE PRESENTATION. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 58 3700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET. UH, THIS IS BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO PHASE TWO OF THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK BOND PROJECTS. THE PHASE TWO SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES ONE RESTORATION OF THE 1877 PUMP HOUSE, TWO EXCAVATION, REHABILITATION AND REWA RE RE WATERING OF THE HISTORIC WATERWORKS RACEWAY. THREE STABILIZATION AND RE WATERING OF THE UPPER LAB BO ASAKIA FOR UNCOVERING AND REHABILITATION OF THE UPPER LAB BOR. DIVERSION DAM FIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LILY POND. UH, SIX, REHABILITATION TO THE TWO HISTORIC BATHROOM PAVILIONS. SEVEN, REHABILITATION AND CONVERSION OF ELECTRIC PUMPHOUSE INTO A STORAGE BUILDING. AND EIGHT, VARIOUS SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, TREE PLANTING, WALKWAY PATHS, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, UH, AND UTILITY CONSOLIDATIONS. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, SORRY, LET ME, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION AS REQUIRED THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY. UH, JAMAL MORENO IS HERE FROM THE CITY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS JAMAL MORENO. I'M WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CAPITAL DELIVERY DEPARTMENT. UM, I'M A SENIOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND A PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PHASE TWO PROJECT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. UM, I DO HAVE, UH, A FEW, UH, CITY EMPLOYEES, UH, CITY STAFF FROM CAPITAL DELIVERY, UH, AS WELL AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE MY CLIENT DEPARTMENT. UH, AND THEN I ALSO HAVE MY, UH, DESIGN TEAM, UH, SWA AND SOME OF THEIR DESIGN TEAM MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE TO, UH, POTENTIALLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN IT OVER TO ASHTON. UM, SHE IS WITH, UH, SWA. SHE'S GONNA WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION WITH YOU RIGHT NOW, FORWARD ON THE HEROES OR ON THAT. OKAY. IS THIS A LASER? OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYONE. UM, SO THE, THE AREA YOU SEE IN ORANGE HERE, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN YOU CAN GO INTO YOUR PRESENTATION. YES. UH, MY NAME'S ASHTON WILLIAMS. UH, I AM A LANDSCAPE DESIGNER AT SWA GROUP, UM, AND I AM THE, UH, DESIGN TEAM PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT. UM, IN THE IMAGE YOU SEE HERE, THE, UH, AREA IN ORANGE, UM, IS BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF THE 2017 BROAD, UH, BOND PROJECT. UM, THE AREA YOU SEE IN BLUE, UH, IS THE OVERALL BOUNDARY OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, SO JUST TO ORIENT PEOPLE, UM, THE, AT THE NORTH THERE, YOU CAN SEE IT'S EAST HILDEBRAND AVENUE 2 81 WRAPS AROUND THE PARK ON THE LEFT THERE. UH, AND THEN OUR SITE IS AT THE VERY [01:20:01] NORTH END. UM, SO ON THE LEFT IN BLUE THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IS THE PHASE ONE BOUNDARY OF IMPROVEMENTS. UM, SO THAT IS NOT THE PHASE THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT TODAY. THAT PHASE INCLUDED THE, UH, REPAIR OF THE WPA ERA WALLS AND THE UNDERPINNING OF THE PUMP HOUSE. UM, SO THAT WAS APPROVED BY HCRC BACK IN 2023. UH, AND SO THE AREA THAT WE ARE SPEAKING TO TODAY IS PHASE TWO. UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE AREA NORTH, UM, AT EAST HILDEBRAND AVENUE, UH, DOWN TO, UH, THE EDGE OF THE PUMP HOUSE AS IT WRAPS AROUND TOWARDS THE ST. MARY'S BRIDGE. UH, AND THAT INCLUDES THE RESTORATION OF THE, UH, UPPER LE BORE LILY POND, THE RESTORATION OF THE DAM, UM, I'M SORRY, REHABILITATION OF THE DAM. THE, UH, DREDGING AND REPAIR OF THE HISTORIC ASAKIA. UM, THE REHABILITATION, REHABILITATION OF THE PUMP HOUSE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION, UM, AND HARDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS. UM, SO WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC PROCESS FOR THESE PROJECTS. THIS IS A MULTI BOND EFFORT, BOTH IN 2017 AND 2022. UM, SO THE PHASE ONE, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT INCLUDED FOUR MEETINGS, UM, THAT INCLUDED, UH, INTERACTIVE BOARD WORKSHOPS, UH, PUBLIC INPUT SESSIONS, UH, AT SITE INVESTIGATION REPORTING WITH, UH, EXPERT Q AND A AS WELL AS A DESIGN OVERVIEW. AND SO FOR PHASE TWO, UM, WE HAD A SIMILAR PROCESS WHERE WE HAD TWO, UH, PHASE TWO DEDICATED MEETINGS AS WELL AS, UH, ONE CONCLUSION MEETING FOR BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, WHERE WE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE INCORPORATED THOSE FEEDBACK INTO THE UPDATED DESIGN. UH, JUST LAST WEEK, WE HAD ANOTHER PUBLIC, UH, INFORMATIONAL SESSION, AND THAT'S TO DEMONSTRATE THE IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE MADE FROM THE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO CONCLUSION MEETING TO THE, UM, THE 100% CD SET THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING FOR APPROVAL. UH, AND THE PUBLIC WAS ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AS WELL AS SUBMIT COMMENT CARDS, UM, FOR LAST WEEK'S MEETING AS WELL. UM, SO GIVEN THE PROJECT GOALS, UM, OUR GOALS ARE TO, UH, REHABILITATE THE PROJECT AS A COHESIVE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE. SO WE ARE NOT TAKING INDIVIDUAL PIECES AND JUST PIECEMEALING REHABBING THEM TOGETHER. THE IDEA FOR THIS PROJECT IS TO, UM, CELEBRATE THIS PARK, UM, IN ALL OF ITS HISTORIC RESOURCES IN TANDEM WITH ALL OF THE OTHER IMPORTANT ASPECTS. SO, UH, WE ARE REHABILITATING THE HISTORIC FEATURES, UH, BRINGING THEM UP TO A STATE, UH, SO THEY WILL NOT DE DEGRADE FURTHER OVER TIME. UM, AND THAT PEOPLE CAN INTERPRET AND UNDERSTAND THEIR HISTORY AS THEY INFLUENCE THE PEOPLE AND CULTURES THAT MAKE UP THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, WE WANNA EMPHASIZE THE STORY OF WATER IN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, UM, AND HOW IT'S BEEN USED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT WAYS, UM, THROUGH DIFFERENT, UH, METHODS OF WATER DELIVERY. UM, AND ALSO TO HIGHLIGHT ITS, UM, ITS PRECIOUSNESS AS A RESOURCE TO OUR CITY. UH, AND BRACKEN RIDGE HAS ALWAYS HAD A VERY SPECIAL IDENTITY AND A VERY SPECIAL PLACE IN THE HEARTS OF MANY SAN ANTONIOS. UM, AND SO OVER TIME, THIS PARK, UM, HASN'T SEEN THE LEVEL OF CARE AND MAINTENANCE, UM, THAT IS PROPORTIONATE TO HOW SPECIAL IT IS TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT, UM, WE'RE IMPROVING THE PER REPAIR AND CARE QUALITY, UM, THAT WILL ENABLE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO CELEBRATE THIS PLACE FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME. UH, AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO RESTORE THE ENVIRONMENT. IN 2019, THE LADY BIRD JOHNSON WILDFIRE CENTER DID AN ECOLOGICAL SITE ASSESSMENT OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK, AND THEY NOTATED THIS NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE IS, UM, EXTREMELY POOR ECOLOGICAL HEALTH. UM, SO AS PART OF THIS EFFORT, WE WANT TO COMPLETELY REHABILITATE THE LANDSCAPE SO THAT IT'S ABLE TO SUPPORT ITSELF, UM, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF EROSION, UM, CREATE LOTS OF HABITAT, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE THAT ONCE DOMINATED THIS AREA, WHICH IS THE BLACKLAND PRAIRIE. UM, SO LOOKING AT THE PLAN, UM, JUST KIND OF AN OVERALL OF THE DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS, UH, UM, LET SEE, NUMBER ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, UPPER LIBOR LILY POND. UM, IT WILL BE REHABILITATED, UM, TO HOLD WATER, UH, AND ALSO INTERPRET STORY OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. UH, NUMBER TWO IS THE UPPER LIBOR DAM, WHICH HAS BEEN, UH, EXPOSED SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT. UM, NUMBER THREE IS A LEARNING NODE. SO YOU, UH, TRAVEL ALONG THIS. NUMBER EIGHT IS A, UH, CULTURAL TRAIL THAT FOLLOWS THE PROGRESSION OF THESE EL HISTORIC ELEMENTS AS THEY APPEARED IN HISTORY. UM, SO NUMBER FIVE IS THE REHABILITATED, UH, ASSIA. UM, AND THEN YOU TRAVEL ALONG THE PATH TO NUMBER 15, WHICH [01:25:01] IS THE, UH, ELECTRIC PUMP STATION NUMBER THREE BUILDING THAT ONCE, UH, SUPPORTED, UM, THE, UH, UH, ARTESIAN WELLS ON SITE. UM, AND THEN YOU ARRIVE AT NUMBER 11, WHICH IS A CULTURAL PLAZA, UM, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE CELEBRATIONS, UM, PARTIES, UH, EASTER CELEBRATIONS, UM, ALL SORTS OF ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS. ALSO TO SUPPORT THE REHABILITATED PUMP HOUSE AT NUMBER 21, UM, AS YOU TRAVEL ACROSS THE RIVER THERE. UM, NUMBER NINE IS A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, WHICH APPROXIMATES THE HISTORIC LOCATION OF THE WOODEN BRIDGE THAT ONCE CROSSED THE OPEN ASAKIA. RIGHT NOW THERE'S A VEHICULAR BRIDGE THAT CROSSES THE CHANNEL. UM, THE BACKSIDE OF THE PUMP HOUSE HAS, UH, ARCHES, UH, AS WELL AS, UM, USED TO CONVEY WATER THROUGH THAT CHANNEL. SO WE'RE OPENING THAT UP, GIVING THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PUMP HOUSE WORKED IN TANDEM WITH THE HISTORIC RACEWAY. UH, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE RIVER THROUGH A SERIES OF TERRACE LEDGES. UH, NUMBER 12 IS AN ARRIVAL PLAZA FOR THE PUMP HOUSE. UM, IT'S ALSO, UH, DOUBLES AS A DROP OFF ZONE, UM, FOR, UH, SUPPLIES. UM, AS YOU, AS YOU FOLLOW THE CULTURAL TRAIL AROUND, UM, YOU EXPERIENCE A SERIES OF, UH, LEARNING NODES, UH, WE CAN LEARN ABOUT THE RACEWAY AND ITS HISTORY. UM, AND THEN YOU CROSS ACROSS THE ASAKIA AGAIN WHERE, UH, YOU CAN LEARN ABOUT ITS HISTORY IN TIME. UM, SO THIS IS THE, UH, TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST OF THE TREES ARE BEING PRESERVED AND GREEN, UH, TREES IN ORANGE ARE BEING REMOVED. AND THEN THE TREES THAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW ARE BEING RELOCATED TO THE AREAS IN BLUE. SO WE PREVIOUSLY, UH, PRESENTED THE PHASE TWO TOTALS BACK IN 2022, UM, AT THAT LAST PHASE TWO MEETING. UM, SO AT THAT MEETING WE HAD DESIGNATED THAT 185 TREES WERE IN THE PROJECT SITE. TWO HERITAGE TREES WERE BEING REMOVED. ONE, UH, 35 SIGNIFICANT TREES WERE BEING REMOVED, 13 INVASIVE OR DEAD WERE BEING REMOVED. AND THEN, UH, FOR AN OVERALL, UH, PRESERVATION TOTAL OF 1 35, UH, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE UPDATED THE PLANS. UM, SO THE TOTAL OF, UH, TREES HAVE BEEN EXPANDED BECAUSE THE TOTAL PROJECT SITE HAS INCREASED SINCE THE PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATION. UM, AND SO THERE ARE 208 TOTAL TREES IN PHASE TWO. UM, IF YOU ATTENDED THE WORKSHOP, UH, LAST WEEK, WE HAD A NUMBER OF 2 0 9. UM, WE REALIZED THAT THAT WAS A TYPO. THE THE NUMBER OF TOTAL TREES IS 2 0 8. SO THIS IS THE UPDATED, UH, INACCURATE TOTAL THAT YOU SEE HERE. UM, TOTAL NUMBER OF HERITAGE TREES REMOVED, UM, IS THREE. UH, THE TOTAL SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TREES REMOVED IS 23. SO THAT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT FROM THE 35 THAT WE HAD BEFORE. UM, AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY, MORE TREES HAVE DIED SINCE, UM, OUR PREVIOUS PROPOSAL. UM, SO WE HAVE 19 DEAD AND DYING, OR I'M SORRY, 19 INVASIVE, UH, OR DEAD TREES. SIX OF THOSE ARE, UH, DEAD AND DYING, UM, TREES TO BE RE RELOCATED. WE WORKED WITH EDI, UM, WHO MOVES TREES ALL OVER THE WORLD. UH, AND THEY DID AN EVALUATION OF THE TREES, ALL THE TREES THAT WERE SLATED FROM REMOVAL ON SITE, AND THEY IDENTIFIED 10 AS BEING ABLE TO BE REMOVED. UM, AND ONE MAJOR WIN, UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED THIS IS THAT THERE WAS ONE MAJOR, UM, ONE MAJOR LIVE OAK RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE RACEWAY HERE THAT WAS SLATED TO BE, UH, RELOCATED. BUT THROUGH DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS, WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP IT AND IT'S SUCCEEDING LOCATION. UM, AND SO AS PART OF REHAB, UH, REHABILITATION EFFORTS, WE ARE PLANNING, UM, A TOTAL OF 88 NEW SHADE TREES IN 177 UNDERSTORY TREES. UM, AND SO GOING BACK TO THE LABOR JOHNSON WILDFIRE CENTER REPORT, UM, THE TREES ON SITE ARE NOT REGENERATING UNDERSTORY TREES. UM, SO THIS, UM, THROUGH SOIL IMPROVEMENTS AND THROUGH PLANTING A ROBUST, DIVERSE SERIES OF UNDERSTORY TREES, WE'RE ENABLING THE SITE TO REGENERATE A MORE DIVERSE POPULATION OF TREES GOING FORWARD AS THE PARK AGES, UM, AS WELL AS WE ARE VASTLY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF SHADE CANOPY THAT WILL ULTIMATELY COVER THIS PARK, UH, IN FUTURE YEARS TO COME. UH, AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE TREES THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WILL BE PLANTED. SO THEY'RE ALL NATIVE BLACKLAND PRAIRIE TREES. UM, AND SO THEY ARE ALL THINGS THAT WOULD'VE EXISTED HERE HISTORICALLY, UM, AND PROVIDE A LOT OF HABITAT AND BIODIVERSITY VALUE. UM, A LOT OF THE UNDERSTORY TREES WERE CHOSEN FOR THEIR, UM, FOOD FOR POLLINATORS IN SMALL MAMMALS, UH, AS WELL AS THEIR IMPORTANCE TO INDIGENOUS CULTURES AND RELIGIOUS [01:30:01] CEREMONIES, MEDICINES AND DYES. IT'S NOT ADVANCING. SORRY. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, AS PART OF THE ECOLOGICAL RESTORATION, UH, WE ARE BRINGING IN SOIL AMENDMENTS ACROSS THE SITE SINCE THE SOIL IS A DEVOID OF NUTRIENTS. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE ADDING CAN BE SUPPORTED BY THE SOILS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. UM, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL ECOLOGICAL ZONES, UM, AS PART OF OUR, UH, REHABILITATION EFFORTS. SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORANGE AREAS, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET THE POINTER. YOU WON'T LET ME POINT. BUT THE AREAS IN ORANGE ARE IN A SHORT OR MIDGRASS PRAIRIE. UM, AND SO THAT IS CON UH, THE PRAIRIE GRASSES IN THOSE AREAS HAVE ROOTS THAT ARE FIVE TO 20 FEET LONG. UH, AND SO THAT IS GOING TO STABILIZE THE SOIL FROM EROSION. UM, AND PRI PROVIDE IMPORTANT HABITAT VALUE. IT'S GOING TO SLOW RUNOFF WATER. UM, IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE A DIVERSE PRAIRIE LANDSCAPE THAT WOULD'VE EXISTED HERE, UH, ECOLOGICALLY. AND WE'RE ALSO, UM, SO WE'RE HYDRO SEEDING THIS DOWN, PUTTING A, UM, WOOD FIBER EROSION CONTROL MAT OVER IT. AND THEN WE'RE PUTTING IN PLUGS OF, UH, NATIVE GRASSES. AND WHAT THAT ENABLES US TO DO IS CREATE A RIGID STRUCTURE OF PRAIRIE GRASSES THAT WILL, UM, BE THERE FROM DAY ONE, BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE A MORE DIVERSE UNDERSTORY THAT WILL POP THROUGH THESE MATS. UM, AND AS TIME GOES ON, AS, UH, WE PERIODICALLY MOW OR BURN THIS LANDSCAPE, UM, THE LANDSCAPE WILL BECOME MORE DIVERSE. THINGS WILL BLEND TOGETHER, UM, AND IT WILL, UH, FUNCTION AS A NATIVE PRAIRIE. UM, IN TERMS OF UNDERSTORY, GROUND COVERS AND THAT KIND OF MID GREEN AREA, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING TREES. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF EROSION, UM, ALONG THE STEEP SLOPES LEADING DOWN TO THE RACEWAY. UM, SO WE WILL BE ADDING A DIVERSE POPULATION OF UNDERSTORY, UH, SHADE GRASSES AND GROUND COVERS, UH, TO COOL THE ROOT PROTECTION ZONES OF THOSE TREES AND PROVIDE HABITAT AS WELL AS, UH, STABILIZE THE EROSION OF THE GRATE THERE. UH, AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, NEAR THE, UH, CULTURAL PLAZA UP IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER IN THAT KIND OF TEAL BLUE THAT IS A RAIN GARDEN WHERE THE WATER WILL SHEET FLOW FROM THE PLAZA INTO THAT SPACE AND THE WATER WILL PURIFY, UH, AND INFILTRATE INTO THE SOIL. UH, AND THEN THE ORNAMENTAL ZONES THAT WE HAVE IN THE LANDSCAPE ARE ALL NATIVE BLACKLAND PRAIRIE, UH, PLANTS WITH A COUPLE OF EXTRA, UH, EDWARDS PLATEAU, UH, SPECIES THROWN IN FOR, UH, FOR, UH, WATER CONSERVATION AND EVERGREEN STRUCTURE. UM, BUT THERE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE HISTORICALLY AS WELL. HERE'S IN SAMPLING OF THE, UH, THE PLANTING SPECIES, BUT WE HAVE OVER 87 CURRENTLY PROPOSED IN THE DESIGN. UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, AT THE LILY POND, WE WOULD BE, UH, INTRODUCING AQUATIC SPECIES TO HELP WITH THE WATER QUALITY AS WELL AS RETURN ITS IDENTITY AS LILY POND. SO THE EXISTING SITE HAS QUITE A BIT OF HARDSCAPE FOR, UH, PARK ITS SIZE. SO, UM, IN TOTAL, THAT'S 37% OF THE TOTAL SITE AREA IS COVERED IN HARDSCAPE. UM, AND MOST OF THESE AREAS ARE ASPHALT PARKING, UM, THAT WERE LOCATED WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA OF THE SITE. UM, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CURBS, UH, IN THE WATER SHEET FLOWS OFF OF THE HOT ASPHALT TAKES, UM, UH, POLLUTANTS ALONG WITH IT AND DUMPS IT RIGHT INTO THE ASAKI AND LILY POND. UH, FURTHERMORE, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, CONCRETE FLUMES THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO CATCH THE WATER AND FUNNEL IT RIGHT INTO THE WATER BODIES AS OPPOSED TO COOLING AND, UH, CLEANING THE WATER BEFORE IT ENTERS, UM, THE HISTORIC FEATURES. UM, AND SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED DESIGN FOR THE HARDSCAPE. UM, WE HAVE REMOVED, UM, THE PORTIONS OF ASPHALT, UH, THAT HAVE, UH, SORRY, THAT ARE CAUSING, UH, SIGNIFICANT STRAIN ON THE HISTORIC RESOURCES. UM, IT'S A 10%, UH, REDUCTION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LOT, BUT THAT'S ALMOST AN ACRE OF SPACE THAT HAS BEEN RETURNED FROM MOSTLY ZOO OPERATIONS TO PARK SPACE AND ECOLOGICAL RESTORATION ZONE FOR THE PARK. UM, IN ADDITION, THE NEW SPACES OR NEW, UH, PAVING THAT WE HAVE ADDED IS LIGHTER IN COLOR. IT WILL REFLECT, UH, HEAT INSTEAD OF ABSORBING IT. UH, AND THEN ALSO IT'S BROKEN UP OVER THE SITE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO CONCENTRATED IN SPECIFIC BIG AREAS. SO THE WATER WILL FLOW FROM THE HARDSCAPE AREAS, FILTERED THROUGH THE NATIVE LANDSCAPE, PURIFY, SLOW DOWN AND INFILTRATE THROUGH THE SOIL, WHICH WILL COOL THE, THE SITE DRASTICALLY AND PREVENT A LOT OF EROSION, UM, AS YOU SEE TODAY. UM, AND ONE THING TO NOTE HERE IS THAT WHILE WE HAVE REMOVED THE [01:35:01] PARKING THAT HAS BEEN RELO, THAT WILL BE RELOCATED NEARBY IN THE PARK. ALSO, THE, UH, PICNIC TABLES THAT WE HAD IN THIS AREA WILL BE RELOCATED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE, UH, TALL GRASS ECOLOGY ZONE AND THE NOTES FOR THE OVERLOOK. BUT THOSE WILL BE ALSO, UM, RELOCATED. PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO PICNIC HERE. UM, PEOPLE JUST BRING IN, UM, TEMPORARY PICNIC TABLES FOR BIG EVENTS AND, UH, CELEBRATIONS. UM, SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REHABILITATION. SO, UH, THE ITEMS YOU SEE IN NUMBER 1, 3, 5, UH, SIX, EIGHT, AND NINE AND SEVEN, THOSE ARE ALL BASE BID, UM, UH, IMPROVEMENTS. SO WE ARE RE REHABILITATING THE PUMP HOUSE, UH, THE HISTORIC RIP WRAP ALONG THE EDGE OF THE RACEWAY. UM, THE DONKEY PIERS THAT CROSSED THE RACEWAY. UM, THE RACEWAY ITSELF, UH, THE HISTORIC ASAKIA CHANNEL, THE WALLS TO LILY POND, THE DAM, AND THE LILY POND. UM, THE ITEMS YOU SEE IN 10, 11, AND 12, THOSE WERE, UM, ITEMS THAT WERE ADDED AT THE, UH, REQUEST OF THE PUBLIC. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO HISTORIC RESTROOM BUILDINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT OPERATIONAL. UH, AND THEN THE ELECTRIC PUMP STATION NUMBER THREE, WHICH WOULD SERVE AS STORAGE TO SUPPORT THOSE FUNCTIONS. UM, THIS IS THE UNDERGROUND UTILITY CONVERSION. SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THERE'S A WEB OF OVERHEAD UTILITIES THAT BLOCK THE HISTORIC VIEW SHEDS FOR THE PARK, UM, AND THEIR POLES LOCATED, UH, ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE ARE BURYING THOSE, UM, TO RESTORE, UH, VIEW SHEDS TO THE HISTORIC FEATURES. AND SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THESE FEATURES, UH, WORKED OVER TIME WITHOUT BEING DISTRACTED BY THEM. SO IN TERMS OF RE WATERING THE ASAKIA AND RACEWAY, CURRENTLY IT'S MOSTLY DRY, UH, IN THESE AREAS. THE ASAKIA USED TO HAVE GRAY WATER THAT RAN IN THE HISTORICALLY INAPPROPRIATE DIRECTION FROM, UH, THE EDGE OF WHERE YOU SEE THAT BRIDGE THERE DOWN TOWARDS THE LILY POND. UM, AND SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE ARE RESTORING THE FLOW OF WATER IN THE HISTORIC DIRECTION TO INTERPRET HOW THESE FEATURES WORKED OVER TIME. SO THERE ARE TWO MAJOR ROUTES, UM, THAT, THAT THIS FEATURE WILL TAKE. SO IF YOU SEE NUMBER ONE THERE AT THE PUMP START ROUTE ONE WILL GO FROM THERE OVER TO THE LILY POND, WHERE IT WILL BE, UH, INLET JUST AT THE NORTH THERE. UH, IT WILL FLOW IN THE NATURAL DIRECTION OF THE HISTORIC ASAKIA DOWN TO THE DRAIN WHERE YOU SEE AT NUMBER FIVE A, AND THEN IT WILL POP OVER TO THE, UH, TO THE RACEWAY WHERE IT WILL THEN RETURN TO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. SO THAT IS A 24 HOUR ROUTE THAT WILL BE GOING ALL THE TIME. THEN ROUTE TWO WILL START AT THAT SAME NUMBER ONE LOCATION, AND IT WILL OUTLET AT THE, UM, AT THE BACK OF THE RACEWAY, CLOSE TO THE HISTORIC DONKEY BRIDGE. UH, AND IT WILL FLOW OVER A SERIES OF WEIRS BACK INTO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. SO THAT WILL HAPPEN DURING THE DAY. AND THEN AT THE REQUEST OF SAWS, UH, WE ADDED KIND OF A TWO B KIND OF SITUATION HERE WHERE WE, UH, WHERE WE, THE ROUTE THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE GOING DOWN THE, THE RACEWAY IS PUMPED OVER TO THAT, WHERE YOU SEE THAT TWO C OUTLET AT THE LILY POND. THERE'S AN EXISTING CONCRETE PIPE, UM, AT THE RIVER EDGE. SO WE WOULD BE CUTTING THAT PIPE SO THAT IT'S NO LONGER FLOWING FROM THE, UH, LILY POND TO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. AND THEN WE WOULD BE FEEDING A NEW PIPE THROUGH THERE SO THAT THE WATER AT, UM, THAT LOCATION CONTINUED TO FLUSH OUT THE ZONE BETWEEN, UH, THE BACK OF THE LILY POND AND THE, UH, WITTY WATER INLET. UH, SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE IMAGES OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES THAT WE WOULD RE BE REHABILITATE, REHABILITATING. I LIKE TO DRAW, DRAW, SORRY, DRAW ATTENTION TO THE HISTORIC PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IN THE SECOND COLUMN. UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW RESOURCE, UM, THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC PREVIOUSLY. UM, WE, THEY DISCOVERED THIS WHEN THEY WERE DOING AN EXCAVATION STUDY ON THE, UM, ASAKIA. AND SO THAT HAS BEEN INCORPORATED TO THE DESIGN SINCE THEN. UH, IN TERMS OF RESTORATION OF THE REHABILITATION OF THE LILY POND, UM, WE ARE REHABILITATING THE WALLS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE LILY POND, DEEPENING IT SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, COOLER AND, UH, CLEANER WATER FLOW, AS WELL AS, UH, PROVIDING WETLAND SHELVES FOR AQUATIC SPECIES AND THEN ADDING A CLAY LINER SO IT CANNOT, UH, SEEP INTO THE SOIL. UM, FOR THE, THE UPPER LAB BOARD DAM, WE'RE ONLY EXPOSING THE TOP ASHLER PORTION OF THE DAM BECAUSE THE COLONIAL PORTION IS TOO BRITTLE TO EXPOSE. UH, THE THC, UM, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UM, WOULD NOT, UH, APPROVE ANY STRUCTURAL INTERVENTIONS TO THE DAM ITSELF. UM, SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO STABILIZE THE BANK ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DAM SO [01:40:01] THAT IF THERE A LARGE SCALE, UH, WATER STORM COMES THROUGH, UH, IT'S GOING TO, UH, KEEP THE DAM IN PLACE. UH, WE ARE STABILIZING THE WALLS OF THE AER LABOR BORA SEIA, UM, AS WELL AS REHABILITATING THE STONE FEATURES, UH, AND THEN IN WE ARE, UH, REGRADING IT TO FLOW IN THE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE DIRECTION. HOWEVER, THIS WAS VERY, UH, SHALLOW AT THE TIME, UM, THAT THE, UM, SEIKI WAS BUILT BECAUSE THE WATER WAS FLOWING SO FAST. SO THERE IS ONE AREA WHERE WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO CREATE A LITTLE MINI WATER ELEVATOR TO GET IT OVER THE WEIR, UM, SO THAT IT WILL FLOW IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION. UH, AT THE HISTORIC RACEWAY, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE REMOVING THE ASPHALT ROADWAY, UM, TO PROVIDE ACCESS DOWN TO THE WATER, UM, AND TO, UH, ALLOW PEOPLE TO VIEW THE REPAIRED ARCHES AT THE PUMP HOUSE. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, PROVIDING THAT SERIES OF WEIRS AND, UH, CLAY LINER. UM, THIS IS THAT, UH, HISTORIC PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT WAS DISCOVERED DURING THE EXCAVATION OF THE RACEWAY. UH, WE WOULD BE REMOVING THE NON HISTORIC, UH, CULVERT TOPPER THAT'S ON THE STRUCTURE, CAREFULLY DEMOING THAT. UH, AND THEN PLACING A, UH, WATERING DOWN A FLAGSTONE PATHWAY ON TOP OF IT SO THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ON. UH, AND THEN RETURNING THE JUNIPER HAND RAILING, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THERE HISTORICALLY. UH, AND FOR THE HISTORIC PUMP HOUSE, WE WERE DOING, UM, MASONRY, REPOINTING AND REPAIR, UH, STABILIZING THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, THE TRUSSES AND BEAMS, UH, AND THEN RESTORING THE HISTORIC ARCHES AS WELL AS, UM, BRINGING IT UP TO BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE AN INTERIOR FINISH OUT FOR A TENANT IN FUTURE USE. THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO HIDING UTILITIES, UM, TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC VIEW SHED OF THE FACADE, ESPECIALLY THE HVAC SYSTEM. UH, AND SO THESE ARE THE AD ALTERNATE CULTURAL RESOURCES. SO, UH, THESE, UH, FEATURES WERE DOCUMENTED AS PART OF THE SET, UM, THAT WE ARE SUBMITTING FOR APPROVAL. UM, AND SO BASED OFF OF, UH, UH, THE PRICES THAT WE GET BACK FROM BIDDING, UH, THEY MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE PROJECT OR, UM, RENOVATED AT A FUTURE DATE, BUT ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS UNDERGROUND FOR UTILITIES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE THESE PROJECTS WORK WILL BE, UH, INCLUDED IN THE BASE BID SO THAT IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER AND THAT WE'RE NOT RIPPING UP LANDSCAPE, UM, THAT WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED IN ORDER TO DO THAT. SO WITH THIS, UH, THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JAMAL FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. NO COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WELL, I'LL CALL OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FIRST. UM, BEGINNING WITH THE FIRST SPEAKERS, JOHN GR, MR. GRUEL WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES. SEVERAL PEOPLE, UM, ARE HERE AND HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. HE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY CECILIA BLACK. I, I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS. CAN I GIVE Y'ALL HANDOUTS? IS THAT OKAY? GIVE YOU ALL HANDOUTS. OH, MY TIME HAS BEGUN. MY NAME IS JOHN RYLE. I'M A CLINICAL LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, AND I REPRESENT GARY PEREZ AND MATO TORRES, WHO ARE HERE IN THE, UH, PEREZ VERSUS CITY OF SAN ANTONIO LITIGATION. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME ISSUES WITH THAT BECAUSE I, I'VE SEEN THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, FALSE AND CONFUSING INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. UM, I KNOW IN THE PAST WEEK THERE WERE SOME ARTICLES INCLUDING IN TEXAS PUBLIC RADIO THAT THE LAWSUIT, UH, HAD BEEN RESOLVED OR HAD BEEN CONCLUDED. THAT WAS FALSE INFORMATION. THE, UM, TEXAS PUBLIC RADIO HAS SINCE REVISED, SO WE ARE STILL VERY EARLY IN THAT LITIGATION. UM, WHERE WE ARE AT THE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION STAGE. WE HAVEN'T STARTED DISCOVERY, UH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY INTERNAL DOCUMENTS AND I KNOW THAT THAT LARGELY FOCUSES ON PHASE ONE, BUT WHAT IT REALLY REFERS TO WITH TODAY'S PROPOSAL IS THIS, UH, 1877 PUMPHOUSE REPAIR. SO THE TREES SURROUNDING THAT ARE SACRED TO MANY INDIGENOUS INDIVIDUALS. THERE'S IN PARTICULAR TWO LARGE CYPRUS TREES, WHICH HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN DENOTED AS TREES 1 0 6 AND 1 41 BY THE CITY. UH, THOSE CYPRUS ARE PART OF RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES THAT CAN ONLY TAKE PLACE AT THIS RIVERBEND COMANCHES COME FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. MULTIPLE INDIGENOUS TRIBES, INCLUDING THEON APACHE TRIBE, HAS PREVIOUSLY OBJECTED TO THIS. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THE 1877 PUMP STEP OF PHASE TWO IS GOING TO DESTROY TWO OF THOSE CYRUS THAT ARE [01:45:01] RELIGIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT. UM, SO FAR THE CITY HAS SAID THAT IT HAS TO REMOVE THOSE TWO CYPRUS BECAUSE THERE'S REGULATIONS THAT TIE ITS HANDS AS TO HOW TO, UM, REPAIR THE WALL, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS LARGELY PHASE ONE, BUT THE BID AND DESIGN FOR THAT, UH, WALL REPAIR INCLUDED THOSE TREES THAT'LL IMPACT THIS STEP. ONE OF THE PUMPHOUSE, UM, THOSE REGULATIONS, WHAT THE CITY HAS NEVER TOILET ITS ENGINEERS IS THAT THERE ARE STATUTES THAT APPLY TO RELIGION THAT MAKE REGULATIONS DIFFERENT THAN REGULAR REGULATIONS. SO I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO LIKE THE WAY THE SHADE LOOKS, THEY LIKE WALKING THE DOG. THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A LEGAL RIGHT TO AN ACCOMMODATION TO REGULATIONS. BUT THE FEDERAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT GIVES YOU AN EXEMPTION FROM FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND THE STATE RELIGIOUS, UH, FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT APPLIES TO ALL STATE LOCAL REGULATIONS. SO IF AN ENGINEER SAYS, I CAN'T DRILL THROUGH THE FRONT OF THE WALL BECAUSE OF SOME REGULATIONS, THEN THE RESPONSE TO THAT IS, WELL, IF THAT BURDEN SOMEONE'S RELIGION, ARE YOU GOING TO DESTROY SOMEONE'S RELIGION FOREVER? WHICH IS WHAT GARY AND MATILDA TESTIFIED TO IN FEDERAL COURT, THAT IF THESE TREES, INCLUDING THOSE TWO CYPRUS NEXT TO THE PUMPHOUSE ARE DESTROYED, THEN THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PERFORM THESE CEREMONIES. WELL, WHEN REGULATIONS BURDEN RELIGION, YOU GET AN EXEMPTION. AND THE CITY'S NEVER TOLD ITS DESIGNERS, IT'S ENGINEERS. OKAY. IN YOUR SCOPE OF WORK, IF YOU KNEW THAT YOU HAD AN EXEMPTION FROM THIS REGULATION BECAUSE OF FEDERAL RELIGION LAW, HOW WOULD YOU CHANGE THE DESIGN? UH, THEY'VE NEVER DONE THAT. AND SO THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD ALLOW THESE RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES TO CONTINUE, AND THEY WOULD PRESERVE THE WALL AND THEY WOULD ALLOW THE PUMPHOUSE TO BE REPAIRED. UH, MY CLIENTS HAVE NEVER SAID THAT YOU CAN'T REPAIR THESE WALLS, BUT YOU CAN EITHER CHOOSE A RESULT THAT ALLOWS THE WALL TO BE REPAIRED AND RELIGION TO CONTINUE. THE ALTERNATIVE HAS BEEN THIS LAWSUIT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE CITY'S INFORMED YOU OF THE MONEY IT'S SPENT ON THIS LAWSUIT, IT SPENT OVER $2 MILLION ON OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS. AND THIS IS A $10 MILLION PROJECT. WE, I, I WAS HERE IN 2023 AND I TESTIFIED THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE, THIS OVERLAY BETWEEN REGULATIONS AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS. AND MY CLINIC CAN PROVIDE LEGAL RESOURCES TO THE CITY FOR FREE TO GET THROUGH THIS RED TAPE FOR THESE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND THESE RELIGION RIGHTS. AND STILL WE ARE IN 2026 AND THE CITY HAS NEVER ASKED ENGINEERS, IF YOU HAD A RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION TO THESE REGULATIONS, HOW WOULD YOUR PLAN DIFFER? UM, SO THAT IS, AS TO THIS PHASE ONE, UH, I WOULD BE, I WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSION IS VERY SPECIFIC, THAT WHATEVER APPROVAL IS GIVEN TODAY DOES NOT GIVE THE CITY AUTHORITY TO REMOVE, UH, THOSE TWO LARGE CYRUS THAT ON THE IMAGE THAT SHOWED THE, UM, PUMP HOUSE, THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN THAT'S IN FIGURE TWO AND THREE, UM, THERE ARE THESE TWO DOTS THAT ARE RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THE PUMPHOUSE. THERE'S A SPLIT TREE CYPRESS THAT'S DOWN NEAR THE WATERLINE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S FURTHER UP THE BANK. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THESE REPAIRS TO THE PUMPHOUSE, THE CITY IS GOING TO SAY THAT THAT REQUIRES REMOVING THOSE TWO RELIGIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT CYPRESSES. UM, SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE CITY WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THESE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND WITH THESE RELIGIOUS PRACTITIONERS, IT'S GONNA SAVE YOU TIME, IT'S GONNA SAVE YOU MONEY, IT'S GONNA RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION, AND IT'S GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS RELIGION THAT'S BEEN PRACTICED, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT LIKE THIS PARK HAS MEANT A LOT TO THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS RIVERBEND HAS BEEN SACRED TO INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AND IS ON INDIGENOUS ROCK ART. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THOSE INTERESTS AS WELL. THANK YOU. CECILIA BLACK. SHE'LL BE BY ALICIA GARLOCK. I'M CECILIA BLACK LIFETIME RESIDENT AND USER OF BRECKENRIDGE PARK. AND I WANNA ASK YOU, HOW IS THE DESTRUCTION OF THESE TREES? THESE HERITAGE TREES THAT CANNOT BE REPLACED ARE NATURAL LANDSCAPE CREATED BY GOD, GREAT SPIRIT, NOT MAN, PICNIC TABLES, ROADS THAT ARE USED AND NEEDED, AS WELL AS PARKING, PRESERVING, AND TELLING THE STORY OF THE HISTORY OF BRECKENRIDGE PARK. [01:50:01] THE PICTURES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AT PHASE TWO LOOK LIKE AN EXTENSION OF THE PEARL AND THE RIVERWALK, NOT OUR HISTORIC GEM THAT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HISTORIC PLACES, BRACKENRIDGE PARK, OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUSHED THROUGH, ALSO MIRROR THE PEARL AND THE RIVERWALK. WE ARE DISCUSSING THIS UNIQUE HISTORICAL GYM AND UM, ONE OF THE OLDEST IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY. THEREFORE, SPECIFIC STANDARDS MUST BE UPHELD. AND WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU REVISIT THOSE. WE WOULD LIKE A GUIDED TOUR OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THE SPACE THAT IT'S BEING PROPOSED. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THIS BE OUTSIDE OF REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS TO BE FAIR TO ALL PEOPLE. AS MOST MEETINGS ARE NOT JUST LIKE THIS ONE TODAY. DO THE DONORS THAT ARE PUSHING THESE CHANGES USE THE PARK? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THEM WHEN I'M USING THE PARK. ONLY WHEN THEY CLOSE AREAS FOR EXCLUSIVE EVENTS. THE PICTURES THAT I'VE SEEN PROPOSED AND WHAT I'VE SEEN HAPPENING IN PERSON, UM, THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL FORMS OF WILDLIFE AND THE PLANS OF THE MODERN CONCRETE THAT ECHOES THE CITY'S OWN MOTTO. BALANCING THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE AND WILDLIFE IN OUR URBAN AREAS RETHINK OUR PEOPLE'S NEEDS. ARE WE BEING GREEDY HERE WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING? WE ALSO ARE ASKING TO DELAY THIS. HAVING THIS AREA OF THE PARK CLOSED AT THE SAME TIME WILL HAVE GIVE US NO PLACE TO BE. THANK YOU. MS. GARLOCK WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES. UM, OKAY. YOU CAN START THAT VIDEO WHEN I TELL YOU SHALL BE FOLLOWED BY SABRINA CHOPPA. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE, WHEN I TELL YOU TO START, DON'T START IT WHEN I'M TALKING, 'CAUSE I'M GONNA TALK FOR A MINUTE AND THEN THIS VIDEO, YOU CAN SEE IT LATER 'CAUSE IT'S 17 MINUTES. UH, HOLD ON JUST A SEC. OKAY, START. WHERE'S MY TIMER MA'AM, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I NEED YOU MAKE SURE YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE FOR THE RECORD. ALICIA GARLOCK. SO, UM, DESIA HASN'T BEEN RUNNING FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. THE WPA PUT STONE WALLS BACK IN THE 1930S. THE PUMP HOUSE ONLY WORKED FOR ABOUT A DECADE. THE TANNERY WAS ONLY IN OPERATIONS FOR TWO YEARS. THE PARK HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR OVER 125 YEARS THAT WE HAVE CAME TO THIS PARK THAT WAS BEQUEST TO THE CITY BY BRACKEN RIDGE TO KEEP IT A PARK FOR THE PEOPLE. HIS FOCUS WAS ON THE, THE TREES. IT WAS A TREE DRIVE TO TREES. TREES, SORRY. WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE FILM. SO THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT IS ABOUT CULTURAL HERITAGE, WHICH IMPLIES A SHARED BOND, OUR BELONGING TO A COMMUNITY. IT REPRESENTS OUR HISTORY AND OUR IDENTITY, OUR BOND TO THE PAST, TO OUR PRESENT, AND TO THE FUTURE. ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL, UM, SORRY, DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION IS THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE USED AT HIS AS IT WAS HISTORICALLY OR BE GIVEN A NEW USE THAT MAXIMIZE ITS RETENTION OF DISTINCTIVE MATERIALS, FEATURES, SPACES, AND SPATIAL RELATIONSHIPS. THE HISTORIC CHAPTER OF A PROPERTY WILL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED. YOU CAN SEE MORE ABOUT THIS FILM, WHICH SHOWS THAT WE VALUE THIS PARK AND WE'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS PARK, THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO FOR 125 YEARS THAT BYPASSES THE HISTORY OF THE AIA, THE LILY POND, THE PUMP HOUSE. WATCH THE FILM, IT TOWS WHAT I CARE ABOUT AND WHAT HAPPENS. YEAH, SORRY. BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE MOST CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT PARKS IN THE UNITED STATES. THE PARK WAS FIRST DESIGNED AS A DRIVING PARK WITH ROADS CAREFULLY PLANNED TO PRESERVE THE PARK'S, MAJESTIC TREES, ALLOWING EARLIER VISITORS TO ENJOY THEIR DRIVES THROUGH THE PICTURESQUE LANDSCAPE. THE HISTORY OF THE PARK INCLUDES PREHISTORIC SETTLEMENTS AND SPANISH IRRIGATION. THIS IS A GATHERING PLACE SINCE PREHISTORIC TIMES WITH HUMAN OCCUPATION DATING BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS. THE INDIGENOUS HAVE A GATHER ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. THEY CALL IT YANA SPIRIT WATERS. THEY STILL GATHER HERE FOR CEREMONY AND TO ALL FOR PRAYERS. [01:55:07] INDIGENOUS PEOPLE VIEW EARTH AS A LIVING SACRED RELATIVE, MOTHER EARTH. THIS IS A SACRED PLACE WHERE WE GATHER TO WORSHIP THIS NATURAL AREA BY THE RIVER IS WHERE WE GATHER TO WORSHIP AND CONNECT WITH A DIVINE. WE SING PRAISE, SHARE TESTIMONY, AND LEARN ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD. THEY SAY THE PARK DOES NOT HAVE AN IDENTITY. HOW IS THAT? IF AN IDENTITY IS A FACT, A BEING WHO OR WHAT A PERSON OR THING IS, HOW DOES BRACKRIDGE PARK NOT HAVE AN IDENTITY? THE IDENTITY OF THE PARK IS THE CULTURE, THE PEOPLE. THIS CULTURAL RESOURCE OF THE PEOPLE IS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE, A PLACE OF PAST HUMAN ACTIVITY, ARTIFACTS, BUILDINGS, ARCHEOLOGICAL SITES, LANDSCAPES, THINGS LIKE TRADITIONS, BELIEFS AND PRACTICES. THAT IS THE IDENTITY OF THE PARK. EASTER CAMPING IS A TRADITION AND EASTER'S A TRADITION. AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR GOING ON 13 YEARS. SAME SPOT. I MEAN, IF YOU CUT DOWN THE TREES OR WHATEVER REMAKES YOU MAKE, YOU'RE GONNA RUIN OUR PARK. AND THIS IS THE BEST PARK IN SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, SAY THIS IS OUR PARK. MAKES, IT GIVES YOU A GOOD FEELING THAT ALL THE FAMILIES ARE HERE WITH THEIR KIDS. YOU KNOW, GET OUT OF THE HOUSE EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. BALONEY AND LETTUCE AND TOMATO. THIS IS OUR PARK TRADITION, IS THE ERNA FAMILY SPENDING EASTER IN THE PARK FOR 70 YEARS. THIS IS A PLACE FOR BIRDING, FOR BIRDWATCHING, FOR TEACHING CHILDREN ABOUT BIRD. WHERE DO THEY COME FROM? WHY NOT TO FEED THE DUCK'S BREAD. LOW RIDERS IN THE PARK. THAT'S PART OF TION, PART OF THE CHICANO CULTURE. LIKE SUNDAY, CRUISING IN THE PARK. LOW RIDERS IN THE PARK IS A TRADITION. TRADITION IS A TRANSMISSION OF CUSTOMS, BELIEFS, STORIES AND PRACTICES FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION, OFTEN BY WORD OF MOUTH OR EXAMPLE, CREATING CULTURAL CONTINUITY IN A SENSE OF IDENTITY. IDENTITY. THAT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY, OUR CULTURE, OUR CONNECTION TO BRECKENRIDGE PARK. THE NATURAL HERITAGE, THE LANDSCAPE REPRESENTS LEGACIES FROM THE PAST ECOSYSTEMS AND BIODIVERSITY FOR OVER A DECADE, I HAVE WALKED THE PARK, I HAVE WATCHED AS IT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED, SUFFERING FROM ALLAH, SABRINA CHAPA, AND SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY CHRIS METREE, UH, WITH GRATITUDE AND PERMISSION FROM MOTHER EARTH. AND THE FOUR DIRECTIONS AND THE FOUR ELEMENTS, THE US EVERY DAY. I'D LIKE TO SEND APPRECIATION TO LET, LETTING THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION BE HERE TODAY AND MAKING DECISIONS ON YANA. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEND GRATITUDE TO OUR ANCESTRAL, UM, STAKEHOLDERS AND, AND ANCESTORS THAT HAVE GIVEN US THE WISDOM TO CONTINUE TO EXIST HERE AS CULTURAL BEINGS TIED TO THE LAND IN THE WATER, TAP AND WANA. UM, HI, MY NAME IS SABRINA CHAPPA. SABRINA, I JUST INTRODUCED MYSELF IN THE TRADITIONAL LANGUAGE OF THIS LAND. UM, VERY DIVERSE LANGUAGE, VERY INCREDIBLE LANGUAGE. UM, AND I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT I AM ME. I AM A HUMAN, I AM THE WATER, I'M THE TREES, AND I'M THE BIRDS. AND ALL OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. UM, IN THE, IN THE NEXUS OF SPIRITUALITY AND ECOLOGY, ALSO SPIRITUAL ECOLOGY. UM, I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT I OPPOSE THE REMOVAL OF THE GRANDMOTHER AND GRANDFATHER TREES, THE CYPRESS TREES. SPECIFICALLY I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY I OPPOSE THE DISRUPTION OF ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH, UM, EXTRACTING OR RENOVATING OR, UM, DISTURBING MOTHER EARTH AND [02:00:01] ANY PROJECTS THAT DO NOT ENGAGE IN FREE PRIOR AND INFORMED CONSENT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS FPIC, WHICH IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO GRANT OR WITHHOLD APPROVAL FOR PROJECTS AFFECTING THEIR LANDS, RESOURCES, TERRITORIES AND CULTURAL AND CULTURES. IT ALSO ENSURES THAT DECISIONS ARE MADE WITHOUT COERCION, FREE, WITH TIMELY, WITH, WITH TIME, UH, TIMELY, UH, UH, MOVES PRIOR AND WITH FULLY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACTS INFORMED AND ALSO ALLOWING THEM TO SHAPE PROJECTS OR SAY NO WITH FULL AND FULLY BE CONSENSUAL. THANK YOU CHRIS MATRI. HE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SUSAN STR. HI, I AM CHRIS MATRE. I'M UH, CEO OF THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY AND I'M HERE TO, UH, ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, FIRST OFF, THE CONDITION IN THIS EXISTING SPACE HAS BROKEN ASPHALT. IT HAS FOUR DUMPSTERS. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN A STATE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. IT HAS THE HARMED ECOLOGY BECAUSE OF ALL THAT, THE TREES, BECAUSE THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY THE ASPHALT. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A RESTORATION OF THIS AREA TO HIGHLIGHT A LOT OF WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TODAY, THE CULTURE, THE HISTORY OF THE PARK, THE ASS DATE BACK TO 17 19 17 76, THE RACEWAY 1877. AS YOU'VE HEARD, THAT'S HISTORY, RIGHT. THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT PRESERVING AND SHARING THE PORTION OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK THAT DOESN'T NEED TO LIVE IN BOOKS ANYMORE, RIGHT? WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE WHAT'S THERE NOW BEFORE IT FALLS AND IS NEGLECTED EVEN MORE. I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO REALLY WANNA READ ABOUT HISTORY IN THE TEXTBOOKS ALONE. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO SEE IT IN MUSEUMS. THEY CAN LIVE IT AND THEY CAN CONSUME IT IN PERSON FIRSTHAND, AND THEY CAN BRING FUTURE GENERATIONS OF SAN ANTONIONS TO THE PARK TO ENJOY THAT SPACE. IT'S JUST A LIVING REMINDER ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WATER IN THE DAILY SAN ANTONIO'S LIFE, HOW IMPORTANT THE EDWARDS AQUIFER IS IN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. AND THAT'S WHY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES AND SOME OF OUR SUPPORTERS HAVE ENDORSED THIS PROJECT. YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN LETTERS FROM SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, THE ZOO, THE WITTY MUSEUM, AS WELL AS THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AMONGST OTHERS. HEB BEXAR COUNTY HAVE ALL PUT UP MONEY TOWARDS THIS PROJECT TO STRIVE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF THIS AREA. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND LISTENING TO THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT. SUSAN STR, MS. STR WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES. RICHARD REED AND ED PINER HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME COPIES. SHOULD I HEAR THEM OUT OR, YEAH, EDWARD, WE CAN TAKE THEM. HE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY IDA AYLA. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SUSAN STR AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I AM URGING YOU TO GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS APPROVAL. UM, YOU MAY REMEMBER, I KNOW WE'RE HERE ON, ON THE NEW PHASE TWO, BUT YOU MAY REMEMBER BACK IN APRIL 19TH, 2023, THIS COMMISSION APPROVED PHASE ONE, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PHASE ONE WITH STIPULATIONS THAT WERE, CAN YOU, UH, NEXT PAGE OR DO I DO IT? AH, PERFECT. UM, SO WE WITH STIPULATIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED BY THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ONE OF THOSE STIPULATIONS WAS THAT NO WORK WILL OCCUR UNTIL THE FEDERAL ARMY CORPS LED, UH, SECTION 1 0 6 PROCESS IS COMPLETE FOR PHASE ONE. PHASE ONE AT THE TIME INCLUDED THE PUMPHOUSE FOUNDATION WORK AND THE GRAND STAIRCASE THAT IS NOW BEING INCORPORATED INTO PHASE TWO BEFORE YOU. SO THE SECTION 1 0 6 PROCESS NOW, UH, HAS IS DENOMINATED BY THE CITY AS PHASE ONE A AND HAS GONE BEFORE THE ARMY CORPS, BUT IT HAS BEEN STALLED DUE TO, TO THE USA'S CONCERNS AND TRIBE OBJECTIONS. NOW ON OCTOBER 23RD, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SUBMITTED A NEW TREATMENT PLAN FOR THAT AREA AROUND THE PUMP HOUSE. [02:05:01] UH, THAT, CAN YOU PUT THE, UM, TIMER UP? UM, THANK YOU, UH, THAT REQUESTED, THAT INCLUDED THE AREA AROUND THE PUMP HOUSE, BUT IT ONLY ASKED FOR THE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE REMOVAL OF ONE TREE. AND THAT'S THE TREE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE PUMP HOUSE, NOT THE TWO CYPRESSES THAT ARE AT ISSUE HERE THAT MR. GR SPOKE ABOUT. THE PROJECT AREA THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE ARMY CORPS DID NOT INCLUDE THAT AREA. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NOW, THIS ISN'T WORKING. OH, THERE WE GO. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHASE ONE, A PROJECT AREA PROVIDED TO THE ARMY CORPS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PROJECT AREA IS MUCH NARROWER AND THE TREE TO BE REMOVED IS THAT ONE DOWN THERE GROWING OUT OF THE PUMP HOUSE THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY OBJECTS TO HAVING REMOVED. UM, BUT THE TWO CYPRESS TREES ARE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE ARMY CORPS. THOSE ARE STILL IN THE PHASE ONE APPROVAL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE SECTION 1 0 6. NOW HERE'S TODAY'S SUBMISSION, THE PLANS THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN BEFORE YOU TODAY. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THOSE TWO, THAT THE PHASE TWO HAS BEEN REDRAWN TO INCORPORATE QUITE A BIT OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PHASE ONE, BOTH TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE PUMPHOUSE. IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT AREA. AND THOSE TWO CYPRESS TREES ARE NOW ARGUABLY ONE OF THEM IS DEFINITELY WITHIN PHASE TWO. THE OTHER ONE IS RIGHT THERE. SO I'VE JUST PUT THE TWO COMPARISONS UP HERE TODAY. SO OVER HERE YOU HAVE, UH, PHASE ONE A FOR THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE ARMY CORPS ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THEN THE SCOPE OF WORK, THE PROJECT AREA THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TODAY. SO AGAIN, AND THEN TODAY'S SUBMISSION HAS ONLY TWO TREES IDENTIFIED FOR DEMOLITION AND THAT'S THE TREE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE ARMY CORPS, WHICH I THINK HAS BEEN PERMITTED, WHICH IS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE GROWING OUT OF THE PUMP HOUSE. AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER TREE ADJACENT TO THE PUMP HOUSE ON THE, WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE EAST SIDE, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN, THEY, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE IN THE PLAN FOR DEMOLITION IN WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. SO THAT IF YOU LOOK HERE THOUGH, THE AREA DOWN THERE, RIGHT ABOVE THE PUMP HOUSE, RIGHT ABOVE NUMBER 21, IS CLEARLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND SHOWS NO TREES. AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE TWO CYPRESSES ARE. SO, AND HERE AGAIN WE HAVE THE TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED TODAY. IT DOES NOT SHOW ANY TREES. IT DOESN'T SHOW TREES TO BE RELOCATED. IT DOESN'T SHOW EXISTING TREES, IT DOESN'T SHOW TREES TO BE REMOVED. THOSE TWO TREES, THOSE TWO CYPRESSES ARE JUST NOT ON THIS PLAN AT ALL. AND YET THE PROJECT AREA, YOU KNOW, COVERS THAT, THAT PLAN, THAT AREA. SO HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE PUMPHOUSE. IT'S THOSE TWO. CYPRESS IS RIGHT THERE. THE TWIN TRUNK ONE AND THE ONE UP THERE BEHIND THOSE ARE THE TWO TREES AT ISSUE. SO THEY'RE NOT ON THE PLAN TO BE DEMOED, THEY'RE NOT ON THE PLAN TO BE PRESERVED, BUT THE PLAN, THE PROJECT SCOPE CLEARLY COVERS THAT AREA. SO THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? SO WE HAVE REQUESTED STIPULATIONS. ONE IS THAT THE APRIL 29TH STIPULATIONS AS TO PHASE ONE TREES REMAIN IN EFFECT. UH, THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE TWO HERITAGE CYPRESSES MAY NOT BE REMOVED UNTIL THE SECTION 1 0 6 PROCESS IS COMPLETE FOR THAT AREA THAT COVERS THOSE TREES AND THAT YOU SHOULD CONTINUE THIS MEETING UNTIL COMPLETE PLANS FOR THE TREES ARE PRESENTED TO YOU SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHY THOSE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED. WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT AND WHAT THE ALTERNATIVES MIGHT BE TO DOING THAT. IT APPEARS FROM THE, WHAT WE HAVE, IT'S, THEY'RE BEING REMOVED FOR THE AN A DA RAMP, UM, WHICH I THINK MOST OF YOU AS DESIGNERS KNOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND SOMEPLACE ELSE FOR THAT. UM, NOW ON PERSONAL COMMENTS VERY QUICKLY, UM, WE, RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DID NOT HAVE TIME TO GATHER AND, AND GET TOGETHER NEW C*M. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT OUR STIPULATIONS. WE GOT THE LAST TIME, UM, THERE ARE PLANS TO REMOVE THIS SMALL HISTORIC KIOSK, UM, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW WHY OR WHERE IT WOULD BE TAKEN, BUT THAT'S THE PLAN. WE OBJECT TO THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH, IDA AYALA. MS. AYALA SHOULD HAVE FOUR MINUTES. UM, ANNA BROWN IS HERE AND HAS YIELDED HER TIME. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S IDA ALA. I AM IN DISTRICT 2 5 9 2 2 PEARL [02:10:01] PASS. I'M HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE CURRENT PLANS FOR PHASE TWO OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT. SPECIFICALLY, I OPPOSE THE REMOVAL OF THE PICNIC TABLES, UM, AS WELL AS PARKING SPACES ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THE PHASE TWO AREA. UH, THE CLR, WHICH IS THE, UH, UM, CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT IS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS USED TO DEVELOP THE RECONCILIATION PLAN AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK PROJECT. THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, UM, FROM THE REPORT RECOMMENDS AND I QUOTE, AND YOU HAVE THIS, UM, IN THE FRONT, IT'S THE FIRST PAGE. AS THE SYSTEM-BASED TREATMENT IS IMPLEMENTED, THE MANY CURRENT USES AND RITUALS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE PARK AND SAN ANTONIO'S RICH IDENTITY CAN AND SHOULD REMAIN. WHAT THE CITY AND BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVATORY CONSERVANCY ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO BY REMOVING TABLES AND PARKING SPACES IS ABSOLUTELY CONTRARY TO THIS RECOMMENDATION. PHASE TWO ENCOMPASSES ONE OF THE MOST HEAVILY USED PICNIC SITES IN THE PARK BY FAMILIES, HOBBY GROUPS, RUNNERS AND LOCAL BUSINESS PEOPLE ON THEIR LUNCH BREAKS. THEN THERE ARE THE EASTER CAMPERS, INCLUDING THE CERNA FAMILY, 70 YEAR TRADITION ALONG THE ASEC. 50 YEARS IS THE MAGIC NUMBER FOR THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC ON, UM, THE, IT WAS PAGE THREE. THERE'S A SHEET FROM THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT THAT THE CONSERVANCY HAD IN AN ANNUAL REPORT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, IT SAYS, A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE IS THE CREATION OF THE WOMEN, MEN, AND CHILDREN WHO LIVE THEIR LIVES WITHIN THAT LANDSCAPE. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. WE KEEP HEARING THE WORD CULTURE, BUT CULTURE IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE. I'M SORRY. UM, THE TRAIL CAN COEXIST WITH TRADITIONAL USES OF THE PARK. THEY CAN STILL HAVE THE TRAIL. WE CAN KEEP THE PARKING SPACES, THEY CAN GET RID OF THE ONES IN PHASE TWO. UM, THE BUT THE PICNIC TABLES ARE ESSENTIAL. THE OHP DESIGNATION CONSIDERATIONS FOR HDRC STATE CHANGES, WHICH MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE COURSE OF TIME ARE EVIDENCE OF THE HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENT OF A BUILDING STRUCTURE OBJECT OR SITE, I'M SORRY, AND ITS ENVIRONMENT. AND IT STATES THESE CHANGES MAY HAVE ACQUIRED SIGNIFICANCE IN THEIR OWN RIGHT AND THIS SIGNIFICANCE SHALL BE RECOGNIZED AND RESPECTED. THERE'S MORE SIGNIFICANCE IN PHASE TWO THAN THE CITY AND CONSERVANCY ARE CONSIDERING. I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. THERE'S BEEN LITTLE MENTION SOME RUMORS OF WHAT'S GONNA BECOME OF THE PUMPHOUSE AFTER RENOVATION. UM, THE LAST DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE THERE, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY HAS 16 PRIVATELY FUNDED ELEMENTS THAT THEY EXPECT THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT, WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR CONSIDERATION. IN FACT, IN JUNE, 2022, THE CONSERVANCY TOLD THE CITY THAT THE PUBLIC COULD NOT, UH, THAT THE CITY COULD NOT ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT OR HAVE INPUT ON PHASE TWO DUE TO PROMISED ELEMENTS TO DONORS. WE WOULD LIKE THESE, UH, 16 ELEMENTS PUBLICIZED. SECTION 3 5 6 4 1 FROM OHP STATES DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ON PUBLIC PROPERTY SHOULD EMPLOY SUCH STANDARDS BECAUSE THE USE OF PUBLIC MONIES FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IS A PUBLIC TRUST. THE BIG PORTION OF THIS PROJECT IS BOND MONEY THAT CITIZENS, RESIDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO THAT THE PUBLIC VOTED FOR. UM, WHAT I'M ASKING, WE, WE WANT THE PARK REPAIRED, RIGHT? WE DO WANT THAT, BUT I'D LIKE FOR THIS PICNIC STATE, UM, TABLES TO REMAIN, TO MAINTAIN THE CULTURE OF THE PARK AND THE PARKING SPACES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THAT PICNIC AREA, TO THE NEW PLAY SCAPE THAT'S GONNA BE BUILT AND TO THE, ALL THE AMENITIES THAT THEY WANT IN THIS SECTION. THANK YOU. UM, NORMA SANTOS. HELLO, MY NAME'S NORMA GUADALUPE SANTOS. I'M FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. I JUST WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR HEARING US. UM, I'M PART OF THE AWA NATION LIP, APACHE NATION. UM, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'M A GRANDMOTHER AND MY MOTHER IS A GREAT-GRANDMOTHER. WHEN I TOLD HER ABOUT THE TWO TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE CUT DOWN OUR HERITAGE TREES, SHE LITERALLY CRIED. MY 84-YEAR-OLD GRANDMOTHER CRIED, MOTHER CRIED, AND THE FIRST THING SHE SAID WAS, THE CHILDREN. THOSE TREES MEAN EVERYTHING TO US. THEY'RE RELATIVES OF OURS. THEY'RE NOT JUST TREES TO [02:15:01] BE MOVED OR REMOVED. GOD PUT THEM THERE. LIKE, GOD PUT THAT RIVER THERE. LIKE GOD PUT THE RIVER IN THE SKY. THAT'S WHY WE WORSHIP THE WAY WE DO. WE'RE KEEPING TIME GOING, NOT JUST FOR OUR NATIONS, FOR ALL OF US, FOR ALL OF OUR KIDS, ALL OF OUR GRANDKIDS, FOR YOU. WE SAY THOSE PRAYERS FOR, YOU'RE ONLY ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THESE THINGS BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. WE WANT RENOVATIONS. WE WANT THE RIGHT THINGS TOO. WE WANT PROGRESS, BUT NOT AT THE COST OF OUR RELATIVES, WHICH ARE THOSE TREES. YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMPANIES IN IRELAND THAT THEY WON'T BUILD A ROAD IF IT'S GONNA HURT ONE OF THEIR ANCIENT TREES THAT GO AROUND IT. I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THIS, AND I WANNA LEAVE YOU WITH, UM, THREE QUOTES FROM FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT. SOME OF YOU MIGHT'VE HEARD OF HIM. STUDY NATURE, LOVE, NATURE, STAY CLOSE TO NATURE. IT WILL NEVER FAIL YOU. THE GOOD BUILDING IS NOT ONE THAT HURTS THE LANDSCAPE, BUT ONE WHICH MAKES THE LANDSCAPE MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN IT WAS BEFORE THE BUILDING WAS BUILT. AND LASTLY, FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION THAT HAS BEEN MISUNDERSTOOD. FORM AND FUNCTION SHOULD BE ONE JOINED IN A SPIRITUAL UNION. THANK YOU. ALFREDO P YEZ, ALFREDO. I DON'T THINK I SAID YOUR LAST NAME RIGHT? OKAY. UH, HI EVERYONE. HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL. UH, AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME'S A FERAL PAMA. UH, I HAVE A MASTER'S IN BIOLOGY AND I ACTUALLY TAUGHT ORNITHOLOGY AT TEX M SAN ANTONIO, SO I KNOW A BIT ABOUT BIRDS AND PLANTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD MY TIME TO THE COMAN NATION REPRESENTATIVE, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. THEY'RE HERE. YES. DID THEY SIGN IN? THEY'RE THEY, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH, I'LL JUST ASK THAT YOU, UM, GIVE YOUR NAME AND THEN COME GIVE, UH, WRITE YOUR NAME WHEN YOU'RE DONE SPEAKING. OKAY? OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. HELLO, WELCOME. UM, MY NAME IS SALLY CHERE. MY CONVENTION NAME IS LITTLE DAGGER. I'M FROM THE COMMAND NATION OF OKLAHOMA, AND I WAS ASKED TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE TODAY. UM, ON BEHALF OF OUR CHAIRMAN FORS TAANA, UM, THE COMMAND NATION RECEIVED AN EMAIL ON JANUARY 2ND FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS GIVING THE NATION 30 DAYS TO RESPOND. CONSULTATION IS ONGOING AT THIS TIME, AND THE NATION OPPOSES ANYTHING UNTIL THE CONSULTATION IS OVER. WE, THE NINA, PEOPLE HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THE NUMBER OF TREES BEING TAKEN DOWN DUE TO CONCERNS ABOUT HABITAT DESTRUCTION FOR BIRDS. AS PER CHAIRMAN TA NAPA, THE NATION HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE NEW PLANS YET, BUT INTEND TO DO SO IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THE MINA HAVE HAD A LONG HISTORY AND RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARK AND ITS SURROUNDING AREAS WITHIN, UM, AROUND SAN ANTONIO. IT HAS BEEN USED AS A CAMP FOR THE PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY SOUTH, MAKING THEIR ANNUAL PILGRIMAGE TO THE PEYOTE GARDENS, AS WELL AS THE BLUE HOLE AND THE COMANCHE LOOKOUT. UM, THE COMANCHE OR THE NINA HAVE A LEGACY, NOT ALWAYS A POSITIVE ONE WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND HAS ITS SHAPED AND HOW IT HAS SHAPED THE HERITAGE FOR THE PEOPLE HERE. UM, AGAIN, I WANNA STRESS THAT THE COMBINATION WE OPPOSE, UM, ANY PLANS RIGHT NOW FOR REMOVAL OF THE TREES UNTIL FURTHER, UH, CONSULTATION CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU. DEBORAH POE. HELLO. UM, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, DOES NOT APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. MA'AM, LEMME STOP YOU FOR A MOMENT. MOMENT. UH, YOU CAN START THE TIME OVER AGAIN. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FIRST, MA'AM. DEBORAH BOE. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. UM, AND I PRETTY MUCH REWROTE EVERYTHING. UM, I AM ASKING YOU RESPECTFULLY [02:20:01] TO URGENTLY SLOW THIS PROCESS DOWN. UM, PUT TIME ON IT OR SOMETHING. UM, THIS DECISION THAT TODAY THAT YOU'LL MAKE IS PERMANENT. UM, IT WILL PERMANENTLY AFFECT THE WILDLIFE, OUR COMMUNITY. UM, IT WILL OUTLIVE US ALL, ALL OF US WHEN WE'RE DEAD. YOUR DECISION IS STILL GONNA GO ON TO ETERNITY, SO IT'S WORTH THAT LITTLE BIT OF TIME. THEY'RE RUSHING THIS THROUGH. PHASE ONE HASN'T EVEN BEEN DECIDED AT THIS POINT. UM, AND AGAIN, IT CANNOT BE UNDONE. I LOOK AT THE FINDINGS AND I SEE THINGS IN HERE THAT CONCERN ME, UM, ON THE FINDINGS, ITEM C THAT TALKS ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I'VE BEEN TO EVERY ONE OF THEM. I LISTENED. I WAS THERE. AND THE WATER STORY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT SAYS RECENT PUBLIC INPUT. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE UNANIMOUSLY PASSED THAT WE WANTED THE WATER STORY, UM, PRESENTED OR INTERPRETED. IT'S TRUE ANA'S WATER STORY. WE DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE ISIA, THE GERMAN ISIA THERE. UM, WE WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE WATER STORY. DO YOU KNOW THAT THE WATER, THE SHAPE OF THE RIVER, IT MATCHES A CONSOLATION IN THE SKY. I LEARNED THAT FROM, UM, MR. GARY AND MATILDA, WHO HAVE BEEN STUDYING THIS WATER FOR YEARS. IT'S ON A ROCK ART IN THE PECOS VALLEY. NAAU HAS COME DOWN AND PRESENTED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR THEM TO PRESENT STEM CLASSES TO, UM, LOCAL YOUTH IN THE AREA. THEY WOULD'VE, THEY WERE GONNA GET ANOTHER GRANT, BUT OF COURSE, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CUT ALL GRANTS FOR NOW. OKAY. I WENT TO EVENTS WHERE NASA SCIENTISTS WERE THERE, AND THEY SHOW THAT ONCE A YEAR THAT RIVER LINES UP WITH A CONSOLATION, UM, FOR THESE STORIES NOT TO BE TOLD. AND STORIES OF GERMAN LEATHER. MA'AM, CAN YOU WRAP UP YOUR PLEASE? WHERE THE CONFEDERATE ARMY IS NOT OKAY. I'M SORRY. I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JASMINE HERRERA. HELLO, MY NAME IS JATA. UM, I AM A BOARD MEMBER WITH THE HWRA AND ONE OF THE MANY VOICES OF YANA. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE MOVIE THE LORAX OR READ THE BOOK THE LORAX BY DR. SEUSS. IF YOU HAVE, AND YOU SHOULD, TO REMIND US OF THE INNER CHILD TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. I REMEMBER HEARING THIS PHRASE FROM THE LO SAYING, I SPEAK FOR THE TREES AND I'M JUST LIKE HIM. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I SPEAK FOR THE TREES. GRANDFATHER TREE, GRANDMOTHER TREE ARE BEAUTIFUL TREES THAT BELONG TO, TO NO ONE BUT THIS EARTH, MOTHER EARTH, BUT HAVE NO VOICE. IT HURTS ME AND PAINS ME THAT I HAVE TO COME UPON HERE, BUT I'M ALSO HONORED TO BE A DEFENDER. THE TREES HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE YOU AND I BEFORE OUR ANCESTORS. THEY HAVE DONE US A FAVOR OF GIVING US CLEAN AIR AND PUSH HARDER AND HARDER EVERY DAY WHILE WE KEEP POLLUTING THE EARTH. THEY GIVE US, THEY GIVE THE ANIMALS HABITAT AND SPACE AND FOOD. WE SHOULD LET THEM STILL BE IN THE GROUND, NOT REPLACE THEM, BUT, BUT ADD, REPLACING THEM WITH LITTLE TREES. IT'LL TAKE YEARS TO GROW FOR SHADE AND FOOD FOR THE ANIMALS AROUND, OR KNOCK THEM DOWN FOR ONE MORE CONCRETE STRUCTURE OR MORE CONCRETE STRUCTURES THAT WE DO NOT NEED. THERE'S ALSO A SPACE IN, IN THE BACKING BRIDGE. I PRAY A SPOT FOR US NATIVE AMERICANS. IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR US HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS. NOT ONLY IS THE CITY MESSING WITH THE MOTHER NATURE, BUT ALSO DISTURBING THE PRAYER CIRCLE OF THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY. AND IS, I'M SORRY, UM, THIS WAY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MESSING WITH OUR RELIGION. THERE WAS MUCH MORE, BUT THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SPEAKERS. WE DO HAVE VOICEMAILS AS WELL. AARON RODRIGUEZ, 6 6 8 EAST WOODLAWN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, BRECKENRIDGE PARK. I THINK THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD LEAVE THE BENCHES IN THERE. I'VE BEEN COMING TO THIS PARK ALL MY LIFE. I'M 50 YEARS OLD AND [02:25:02] I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THE PLAN WOULD ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE PARK. I DON'T THINK IT REALLY NEEDS MUCH IMPROVEMENT UPON THOSE BENCHES ARE DEFINITELY PART OF THE HISTORY AND SHOULD REMAIN MY OPINION. THANK YOU. I AM ANTONIO. I LIVE AT 24 20 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE, APARTMENT 3 0 2 IN SAN ANTONIO, TERA 7 8 2 1 2. I WANT TO ADDRESS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, THE PLAN FOR PROPOSED PLAN FOR BRECKENRIDGE PARK. I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO BRECKENRIDGE WILL EFFECTIVELY PUSH OUT MEXICAN AMERICAN FAMILIES FROM THE PARK, FROM THE RICH TIME HONORED HISTORIC PUBLIC CULTURAL SPACE OF WEST SIDE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY GATHERINGS, AND OF THE TRADITIONS THAT ARE CENTRAL TO THE CULTURAL LIFE OF SAN ANTONIO WRIT LARGE. THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF ALL THE PICNIC TABLES NORTH OF BRACKENRIDGE ROAD AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD NEAR THE LILY POND, WILL ELIMINATE 10% OF ALL THE PICNIC TABLES IN THE PARK, WHICH WILL EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATE MOST OF WEST SIDE FAMILIES, CAMPING, BIRTHDAYS, ANNIVERSARIES, AND OTHER CELEBRATIONS IN THE PARK. AND WHILE THE PARKS, WHILE THE CITY STAFF HAS STATED THAT THE PICNIC TABLES WILL BE RELOCATED TO OTHER AREAS OF THE PARK, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAS BEEN NO PLAN RELEASE ABOUT COST ESTIMATES OR FUNDING IDENTIFIED TO DO SO. THE ISSUE OF PARKING, THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF ALL PARKING NORTH OF THE RACEWAY AND ALONG BRECKENRIDGE ROAD, ELIMINATES ABOUT 22 SPACES. IT CLOSES THE ROAD NORTH OF THE RACEWAY AND REMOVES THE BRIDGE NEXT TO THE PUMP HOUSE THAT MAKES A LOOP. THIS WILL KILL THE ANTIQUE AND LOW RIDER CAR CULTURE AS THERE WILL NO LONGER BE PARKING, GRILLING, OR THE ABILITY TO DRIVE AROUND THE LOOP. THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE CLEARLY GOING TO AND ARE PERHAPS INTENDED TO REDUCE ACCESS TO AND USE OF A LARGE PIECE OF THE PARK TO WORKING CLASS MEXICAN AMERICAN FAMILIES. PLEASE, I ASK, DO NOT APPROVE THIS PLAN. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS BERNARD SANCHEZ. MY ADDRESS IS 4 2 2 MOND DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 3. UM, I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16. UM, PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THE PLANS, THE PHASE TWO PLANS THAT THE CITY, UM, THAT THE PARK, UM, I'M SORRY, THE BRECKENRIDGE CONSERVATIVE CONSERVANCY HAS ABSORBED AND ALL THESE TREES ARE VERY OLD THAT THEY WANT TO CUT DOWN. UH, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A POLICY WITH HERITAGE TREES. UM, OPTIONS TO PROTECT THAT WALL WOULD BE PERHAPS, UH, ADDING SOMETHING SOME REINFORCEMENTS ON THE RIVERSIDE TO, TO KEEP THAT WALL UP IF THAT'S THE PROBLEM. BUT DO NOT CUT THESE TREES DOWN. UM, THE CITY'S ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT NOT HAVING ENOUGH TREES, SO WHY ARE YOU GOING TO CUT ALL THESE HERITAGE TREES DOWN? AND THAT'S MY COMMENT AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. YES. HI, MY NAME IS CLAUDIA SANCHEZ AND I'M CALLING REGARDING HDRC CASE 2025 DASH 2 5 8 FOR, UH, REQUEST 20 25 34 8 4 2 FOR THE ADDRESS AT 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET, WHICH IS BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, WAS CALLING TO, UH, MAKE A COMMENT OF, UM, THROUGH A VOICEMAIL SAYING THAT, UH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, HAVE ALL OF OUR PUBLIC INPUT BEFORE CUTTING OF, OF OVER A HUNDRED TREES IN THE BRACKENRIDGE FOREST. AS WE KNOW, UH, THESE TREES ARE HISTORIC. THEY ALSO HAVE AN IMPORTANT PART FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS, AND WE'RE ASKING THAT, THAT THEY BE, UM, THAT THERE'S A RUN THROUGH OF THE PROJECT DESIGN, UM, BEFORE, FOR A PUBLIC WALKTHROUGH TOUR, BEFORE, UH, TO REVIEW THE PROJECT DESIGN BEFORE EVERYTHING IS DECIDED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED. [02:30:01] I'M ASKING FOR THAT, UH, AS A REQUEST. IF, UM, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AGAIN, MY NAME IS CLAUDIA SANCHEZ AND I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE IMPACT THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE ON OUR, ON OUR ENVIRONMENT, AS WELL AS THE IMPACT IT'S HAVING ON THE BIRDS. THE BIRDS ARE NATIVE TO THE AREA AND THEY DESERVE TO BE IN THAT AREA BY THE WATER 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY SURVIVE. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS DELILAH BARRIOS. I AM A RESIDENT OF HAIGHT COUNTY. I'M CALLING TODAY ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN. WE REQUEST CONSIDERATION FOR THE TREES, WILDLIFE, HABITAT, AND PUBLIC SPACES AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. PLEASE PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THESE AREAS WHICH HOLD RELIGIOUS SIGNIFICANCE TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. PLEASE SAVE THE TRUTH. THANK YOU. ELLEN PATTERSON, 1250 NORTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 9. I'M COMMENTING ON COMMENTING ON ITEM NUMBER 16. ADDRESS 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY'S STREET, SAN ANTONIO, 60 AS RESTORE THE RESTROOMS REPAIR THE HISTORICAL INTEREST POINTS, BUT DON'T FORGET THE TREES. THEIR SHADE IS FREE. THEIR BEAUTY IS RESTFUL, THEIR STATURE IS MAJESTIC. WHEN I HAD CANCER, I SOUGHT ANSWERS TO MANY QUESTIONS I WAS FACING, SITTING AT A PARK BENCH UNDER THE TREES. WHEN MIGRATORY BIRDS COME THROUGH SAN ANTONIO TO REST, FEED, AND BREED, THEY SEEK SHELTER AND PROTECTION IN THE TREES. WHEN NATURALISTS COME TO ENJOY THE PARK'S GREEN SPACE OF QUIET BEAUTY, THEY PHOTOGRAPH THE TREES. I CHALLENGE THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY TO MATCH THE STRIKING BEAUTY OF A TREE WITH A CEMENT UNSHADED PAD WITH WATER SPRAYED ON IT. THERE IS NO COMPARISON IS THE ITCH TO BUILD SOMETHING SO GREAT THAT WE IGNORE THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARK AND ABANDON OUR PRINCIPLES OF LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC AND COLLABORATING WITH NATURE. MANY TREES HAVE ALREADY BEEN CUT TO DATE. I'M ASKING FOR THIS TREE CUTTING OF HERITAGE TREES TO STOP IMMEDIATELY. THANK YOU. EMILY ROSEN, GRAND FERRY 1 0 4, ANASTASIA PLACE, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 1 2. SPEAKING TO ITEM NUMBER 16, BRACKENRIDGE PARK. PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU CALL UPGRADES OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK BOND PROJECT, AND WHICH I VIEW AS AN AMUSEMENT PARK IFICATION OF OUR BELOVED PARKLAND. PLEASE DO NOT MOVE THE PICNIC TABLES NEAR THE BERLIN BRIDGE. SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS, SO MANY SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS USE THOSE TABLES EVERY WEEK, EVEN IN THE WINTER. I KNOW THERE ARE PICNIC TABLES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE PARK, BUT REMOVING THEM, REMOVING A MUCH USED ELEMENT IN ORDER TO PUT IN THE HERITAGE TRAIL, WHATEVER THAT IS, SEEMS ABSURD. AND DO NOT REMOVE THE HISTORIC STONE KIOSK. YOU SAY THAT YOU WILL STORE AND RELOCATE THIS STRUCTURE, BUT I CANNOT REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN. I ANTICIPATE A PILE OF SEEMINGLY UNIMPORTANT ROCKS BEING USED FOR SOMEONE'S DRIVEWAY SOMEWHERE. PLEASE CEASE YOUR ATTEMPTS TO IMPROVE AND MODERNIZE OUR PARK. ROCKEN RIDGE PARK IS MAGICAL BECAUSE IT HAS SO MUCH MINIMALLY TAMED AREA. IT'S NATURAL IN. THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL, PARTICULARLY FOR A BIG CITY PARK. PLEASE, PLEASE LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE WHENEVER AT ALL POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS FRANK GARCIA. I AM AT ONE 10 WEST FRENCH PLACE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. I'M SPEAKING ON NUMBER 16 BRACKENRIDGE PARK. AGENDA ITEM. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAVE OUR PICNIC TABLES AND OUR PARKING SPACES. UH, PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THEM. UH, THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS GARCIA SANCHEZ, 27 18 MONTE ON DISTRICT FIVE. UM, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 16, THE BRECKENRIDGE PARK. I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO AND BRECKENRIDGE PARK HAS BEEN COMMUNITY PEOPLE'S PARK. WE'RE VERY CONCERNED AND UPSET WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. UH, FOR THIS ITEM, WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THE, OF THE REMOVAL OF THE PICNIC TABLES, UM, MANY OF FIVE OF THEM, WHICH ARE W PA REPLICA TABLES WITH STONE GRILLS, AND THEY WERE JUST PUT IN 20 YEARS AGO WITH BOND MONEY. UM, JUST TO PUT IT IN THE AS A [02:35:01] HERITAGE TRAIL TRAIL, UM, IS, IS IS NOT SOMETHING WE NEED AT THIS MOMENT. WE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE QUOTE, THE CONTINUED DYNA DYNAMISM IS EQUALLY VITAL TO THE LANDSCAPE'S LONGEVITY BY REMOVING THE PICNIC TABLE, BY CUTTING STREET ACCESS. WE ARE AVOIDING, UM, THE WONDERFUL AND BEAUTIFUL EASTER CAMPING, BIRTHDAYS AND OTHER CELEBRATIONS AND JUST THE HANGOUT PLACE FOR OUR PEOPLE. OUR FOLKS DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY AND JUST HAVING THE PARK IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT AND LEISURE TIME THAT OUR COMMUNITIES CAN HAVE BY THESE CHANGES, YOU'RE DESTROYING, YOU'RE DISPLACING OUR PEOPLE, YOU'RE DISPLACING OUR HERITAGE. UM, FINALLY, PARKING AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, YOU CAN'T GET RID OF THAT PARKING. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AGO AND WE HAD A WHOLE GATHERING AT THE YADA LUPA THEATER FULL OF PEOPLE. VERY UPSET WITH CLOSING. HELLO, MY NAME IS JESSICA CASTLE. I LIVE AT 1 5 4 2 3 RIVER BEND. UM, ITEM NUMBER 16. UH, THE ADDRESS, UH, 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET, BRECKENRIDGE PARK. UM, I'M CALLING, I'VE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS ALL OVER THE CITY, AND THE ONE THING THAT REMAINED CONSTANT WAS, UH, BRECKENRIDGE. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF OUR PARK THAT MY FAMILY AND I GO TO THE MOST OFTEN, UM, AND WANT TO STATE THAT I AM FIRMLY AGAINST REMOVAL OF NATIVE TREES. I BELIEVE THAT, UH, TREES ARE SO IMPORTANT TO FIGHT THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT, WHICH SAN ANTONIO HAS A DEFINITE PROBLEM WITH. AND IT ALSO HELPS EASE DROUGHT CONDITIONS, WHICH AS WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST, AS I'VE SEEN AS WE'VE LIVED HERE, HAS GOTTEN WORSE EACH YEAR AS THE CITY HAS GOTTEN BIGGER. SO THE REMAINING TREES I FIRMLY BELIEVE NEED TO STAY. UM, I ALSO AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN HEARING THAT SO MANY PICNIC TABLES ARE GOING TO BE, UH, REMOVED AND INSTEAD REPLACED WITH JUST CONCRETE PATHS AND SIGNS. UH, ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS IT IS A LIVING PARK FOR THE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER AND TO TAKE AWAY, UH, ONE OF THE LAST REMAINING ABILITIES. ONE OF THE LAST FEW PLACES THAT PEOPLE CAN GATHER, UH, FOR FREE IN GROUPS, UH, TO CREATE COMMUNITY IS HEARTBREAKING TO ME AND I FEEL LIKE IT GOES AGAINST, UH, THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE PARK. UM, I ALSO, UH, WOULD LIKE, HI, MY NAME IS LETICIA SANCHEZ. MY ADDRESS IS 1710 CRU SEVEN EIGHT TWO OH SEVEN, AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 363-5895. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION. IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16. OUR ASSOCIATION OPPOSES THE PHASE TWO PLANS BEING SUBMITTED BY THE BRECKENRIDGE CONSERVANCY. THE PARK HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SPACE ACCESSIBLE TO SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS FOR GENERATIONS, BUT DESIGN FEATURES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WILL PREVENT OR LIMIT ACCESSIBILITY AND THE USE OF THIS PUBLIC PARK AS IT HAS BEEN USED BY OUR RESIDENTS. IT WILL ALSO REMOVE IMPORTANT HISTORIC FEATURES SUCH AS THE HISTORIC STONE KIOSK THAT IS NEXT TO THE PUMP HOUSE. NO PLAN FOR ITS RELOCATION IS INCLUDED AND NO REASON IS GIVEN FOR ITS REMOVAL. ADDITIONALLY, THE PLAN INCLUDES REMOVING THE CONCRETE PICNIC TABLES OF WHICH FIVE RWPA REPLICA TABLES AND WHICH WERE PUT IN 20 YEARS AGO WITH BOND MONEY. THESE PICNIC TABLES HAVE BEEN USED FOR GENERATIONS BY OUR ASSOCIATION FAMILIES AND FAMILIES FROM ALL PARTS OF THE CITY. THERE'S NO ACTUAL PLAN OR BUDGET IDENTIFIED TO RELOCATE THESE TABLES. PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES, WHICH HAVE LIVED ON THIS SITE FOR GENERATIONS. ALTHOUGH THE CONSERVANCY REPRESENTED A STATE THAT THEIR REMOVAL IS REQUIRED TO PRESERVE AN HISTORIC WALL, THERE ARE LANDSCAPE AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS WHO KNOW HOW TO PRESERVE BOTH THE WALL AND THE TREES TOGETHER. THE PROPOSED DESIGNS WILL MORE THAN MINI MINIMALLY ALTER BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES, OBJECTS [02:40:01] AND THE SITE AND ITS ENVIRONMENT, AND WILL ACTUALLY DESTROY THE CHARACTER INSIDE OF ITS ENVIRONMENT. AND FOR THESE REASONS, WE ASK THAT YOU VOTE TO OPPOSE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE. YES, HI, MY NAME IS LUTA GONZALEZ. UH, I LIVE AT 2 0 9 QUEEN ANNE COURT, SAN ANTONIO. I VISIT THE PARK EVERY SINGLE DAY. BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, I'D APPRECIATE, UM, THAT YOU CONSIDER NOT REMOVING THE PICNIC TABLES. THIS, UM, WOULD RE BE REMOVING, UM, THE WPA REPLICA TABLE WITH STONE GRILLS THAT WERE PUT IN JUST 20 YEARS AGO WITH BOND MONEY AND THE REMOVAL IS TO MAKE WAY FOR A HERITAGE TRAIL WITH INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE AND OBSERVATION POINTS TO LOOK AT THE AND RACE WAY. UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC. ALSO, UM, CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT, UH, EMPHASIZES THAT CONTINUED DI DYNA DYNAMISM IS EQUALLY VITAL TO THE LANDSCAPE'S LONGEVITY. UM, AND SO SAN ANTONIO'S RICH IDENTITY SHOULD REMAIN. UM, SO, SO, UM, LET'S SEE THE PARKING, WE SHOULD LEAVE THE PARKING UNDISTURBED. UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT, UH, WHEN THERE IS ANTIQUE AND LOWRIDER, UH, SHOWS, UH, AND FOLKS HANG OUT TO GRILL THERE, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE PARKING AREA. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT LOOP. UM, ALSO REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC STONE KIOSK ADJACENT TO THE PUMP HOUSE. UM, THE PLAN CALLS FOR THE REMOVAL OF THIS FEATURE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE BUDGET FOR REMOVING, UM, IS NOT, UH, WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IT. UM, WANTED JUST TO CITE SECTION 35 DASH 6 43 ALTERATION, RESTORATION AND REHABILITATION. IT SAYS IN CONSIDERING AN APPLICATION FOR C CERTIFICATE TO ALTER. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARCO ANTONIOS AND I LIVE AT 5 9 2 2 PEARL PATH 7 8 2 2 2. I'M CALLING REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I'M CALLING TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE REMOVAL OF THE STONE PICNIC TABLES AND PARKING SPACES BETWEEN THE BRACKENRIDGE DRIVE BRIDGE AND HILDEBRAND. FIRST ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. THESE STONE TABLES WERE BUILT ONLY 20 YEARS AGO USING TAXPAYER FUNDS. IT IS A WASTE OF CITY TAX DOLLARS TO DEMOLISH FUNCTIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE JUST TO REPLACE IT WITH A MUSEUM SCAPE AND SIGNAGE. SECOND ON ACCESSIBILITY. REMOVING, REMOVING THESE PARKING SPACES CREATES A BARRIER FOR FAMILIES, THE ELDERLY AND THE DISABLED. THIS SECTION OF THE PARK IS A VITAL SPACE FOR COMMUNITY'S CULTURE, INCLUDING TRADITIONAL EASTER CAMPING, MOVING PARKING AND TABLES MAKES THE PARK LESS USABLE FOR THE VERY PEOPLE IT WAS BUILT FOR. I URGE THE COMMISSION TO PRESERVE THESE TABLES AND THE PARKING. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS MATTHEW RAZ AND I LIVE AT 5 2 6 BRI TEDDY DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND I'M CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 AT BARK PARK. I'M A LIFELONG SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT AND FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, MY FAMILY AND I HAVE USED BARK PARK FOR GATHERINGS PICNIC. NEXT IN, IN ALSO COMMUNITY EVENTS. THE PICNIC TABLES ALONG BURIES DRIVE ARE MORE THAN JUST STONE AND CONCRETE. THEY'RE THE HEART OF OUR FAMILY TRADITIONS AND SHARED MEMORIES. THE PLAN RENOVATIONS WILL, WILL REMOVE THESE TABLES AND PARKING SPACES, REPLACING THEM WITH OBSERVATION POINTS AND SIGNS. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE CITY WANTS TO IMPROVE THE PARK, TAKING AWAY THESE TABLES ERASES THE REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES OF EVERYDAY FAMILIES WHO RELY ON THEM. THESE TABLES ARE ONLY 20 YEARS OLD AND WERE BUILT WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS. REMOVING THEM DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FINANCIALLY, CULTURALLY, OR SOCIALLY URGED COMMISSION TO KEEP THE PICNIC CABLES AND, AND PARKING SPACES WHERE THEY GO. SO FAMILIES LIKE MINE CAN, CAN CONTINUE ENJOYING RIDGE PARK IN THE WAYS WE ALWAYS HAVE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR PERSPECTIVE AND FOR CONSIDERING THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING THESE SPACES FOR COMMUNITY USE. MATTHEW OF, HI, MY NAME IS MERCEDES ROSALES. MY ADDRESS IS 7 1 0 3 ED DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 7. I WAS CALLING ABOUT AGENDA 16. [02:45:01] THANK YOU. THAT YOU'RE AGAINST, OH, I'M AGAINST AGENDA 16. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MONICA CRUZ AND MY ADDRESS IS 1 68 CHUBBY CHASE. AND I'M SPEAKING TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 16 ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED PLAN NEAR LILY POND TO REMOVE ALL OF THE PICNIC TABLES AND LIMIT PARKING WILL AFFECT THE ACCESSIBILITY OF MANY SAN ANTONIO FAMILIES FROM UTILIZING THE PARK GROUNDS FOR GATHERINGS AND LEISURE. WITH ALL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AROUND BROADWAY AND THE PEARL, WITH HOUSING BEING BUILT EXCLUSIVELY FOR HIGH INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, WHAT WE ARE OBSERVING IS A SLOW EROSION OF ACCESS TO THIS PRECIOUS PUBLIC PARK FOR THE LOWER AND MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES IN OUR CITY. AS CITY'S INVEST IN PARKS THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS AND REDEVELOPMENT, WE MUST BE HONEST ABOUT A GROWING RISK. WHEN PLANNING IS NOT EQUITABLE, THE VERY FAMILIES WHO RELY MOST ON PUBLIC PARKS ARE OFTEN THE FIRST TO LOSE ACCESS. THIS CAN HAPPEN THROUGH SUBTLE CHANGES SUCH AS MORE TICKETED EVENTS, HIGHER FEES FOR AMENITIES, INCREASED POLICING OF EVERYDAY BEHAVIOR, FEWER PARKING SPACES OR DESIGNS TO PRI PRIORITIZE RESIDENTS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PARK, TOURISTS AND DONORS OVER RESIDENTS FROM THE ENTIRE CITY. OVER TIME, THESE CHOICES CAN SEND A MESSAGE ABOUT WHO THE PARK IS REALLY FOR. PARKS SHOULD UNITE US, NOT DIVIDE US. THEY SHOULD REDUCE INEQUALITY, NOT REINFORCE IT. FURTHERMORE, MY HOPE IS THAT THE COMMISSION WILL ADHERE TO CITY CODE THAT PROVIDES GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND PRESERVE HISTORIC OBJECTS AND STRUCTURES IN OUR PARK. BAR ROCK AND RIDGE PARK IS A PUBLIC GOOD. IT BELONGS TO EVERYONE, AND IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT IT REMAINS WELCOMING, ACCESSIBLE, AND ROOTED IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IT WAS MEANT TO SERVE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS GEORGE COCO. I'M A LEE PEN APACHE DESCENDANT. MY ADDRESS IS 6 5 4 1 SPRING BRANCH STREET, APARTMENT U ONE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 9 AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM 16. IS THERE INDIGENOUS REPRESENTATION FOR THAT OR PHASE TWO? MY NUMBER'S TWO TEN TWO NINE ZERO ONE. HELLO, UH, THIS IS RAYMOND. MORALE IS 2 0 3 MEDFORD DRIVE, CALLING ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 ON BRACKENRIDGE PARK IMPROVEMENT. I'M CALLING REGARDING MY CONCERNS WITH THE REMOVAL OF 10% OF THE PICNIC TABLES, INCLUDING WWPA REPLICAS WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION TO REPLACING OR INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PICNIC TABLES THAT OUR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS DURING HOLIDAYS OR SPECIAL OCCASIONS. THERE IS NO ACTUAL PLAN OR BUDGET TO RELOCATE OR AT PICNIC TABLES AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD. THIS WILL GREATLY DIMINISH OR COMPLETELY REMOVE CHERISHED TRADITIONS OF A LOT OF FAMILIES DURING EASTER BIRTHDAYS, FAMILY REUNIONS AND RESULT IN REDUCED DYNAMIC VALUE IN CULTURAL ENGAGEMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY VERY AVAILABLE AND VERY AFFORDABLE TO MOST SAN ANTONIO FAMILIES. THIS IS COUNTER TO THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT, WHICH ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE PARKS RENOVATION TO REMOVE ANY PARKING SPACES AND 22, OUR SCHEDULE WILL DECREASE ACCESS AND INCREASE TRAFFIC INGESTION DUE TO ADDITIONAL SEARCHING FOR PARKING SPACES. FAMILIES OR GROUPS OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T TRANSPORT COOLERS, CHAIRS, STROLLERS, ET CETERA. ALSO, REMOVAL OF A HISTORIC STONE KIOSK THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE PUMPHOUSE HAS NO MERIT WITHOUT A REAL PLAN AND BUDGET FOR RESTORATION. THIS VIOLATES SECTION 35 DASH 4 63, THE H DRCS DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR RESTORATION REHABILITATION AND ADAPTATION. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR REMOVAL AND RELOCATION? THIS COMPLETELY ALTERS THE EXISTING HISTORIC AND DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, WHICH SHOULD BE AVOIDED WHEN POSSIBLE PER THIS SECTION OF THE CITY CODE. WE APPRECIATE MANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT BRACKRIDGE PARK, BUT I ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER THESE ITEMS AS WELL AS ANY OF THE REDUCE THE PARK'S DYNAMIC QUALITIES AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT MAKE THE PARK THE JEWEL OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HI, MY NAME IS REBECCA FLORES. I LIVE AT 5 0 2 CASS AVENUE AND I WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM 16. I ATTENDED THE OPEN HOUSE LAST WEEK AND I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE DESIGN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. ONE REMOVAL OF THE PICNIC TABLES. THIS PLAN CALLS FOR REMOVAL OF ALL OF THE PICNIC TABLES, ABOUT 10% OF ALL THE TABLES IN THE PARK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD NEAR THE LILY POND. THE REMOVAL IS TO MAKE WAY FOR HERITAGE TRAIL IS SIGNAGE AND OBSERVATION POINTS [02:50:01] TO LOOK AT THE ASEC AND THE RACEWAY. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THE REMOVAL OF SO MANY PICNIC TABLES USED GENERALLY FOR RELAXING FOR EASTER CAMPING, BIRTHDAYS AND OTHER CELEBRATIONS WILL DIMINISH THE TRADITIONAL USES OF THE PARK. THE CITY STAFF HAS SAID THAT THE TABLES WILL BE RELOCATED, BUT THERE HAS BEEN NO PLAN RELEASE OR COST ESTIMATE OR FUNDING AND IDENTIFIED TO DO SO. MOVING THESE TABLES IS GOING TO BE COSTLY AND IMPRACTICAL. NUMBER TWO ON PARKING. THE PLAN INCLUDES REMOVING ALL 22 PARKING SPACES ALONG BRACKEN RIDGE ROAD. THE PLAN WILL CLOSE THE ROAD AND REMOVE THE BRIDGE NEXT TO THE PUMPHOUSE. IT MAKES A LOOP. THIS PLAN WILL KILL THE ANTIQUE AND LOW RIDER CAR CULTURE AS THERE WILL NO LONGER BE PARKING, GRILLING, OR THE ABILITY TO DRIVE AROUND THE LOOP. THIS WILL ALSO LIMIT PARKING FOR THE ADJACENT SOFTBALL FIELD, THE WEEKLY ZOO RUN, AND THE NEW PLAYSCAPE. THESE CHANGES ARE GOING TO REDUCE ACCESS TO AND USE OF A LARGE PIECE OF THE PARK BY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE TRADITIONALLY USED THIS PARK. THREE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC STONE KIOSK ADJACENT TO THE PO PUMP HOUSE ALSO FOR LATER RELOCATION. AGAIN, THERE IS NO PLAN OR BUDGET FOR RELOCATING IT AND NO EXPLANATION WHY IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. PLEASE READ AGAIN. THE CITY CODE SECTION 35 DASH 6 43 A. EVERY EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO ADAPT THE PROPERTY IN A MANNER WHICH REQUIRES MINIMAL ALTERATION OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE, OBJECT OR SITE AND ITS ENVIRONMENT. B, THE DISTINGUISHING ORIGINAL QUALIT OR CHARACTER OF MY NAME IS REBECCA ALVAN AND I LIVE AT 8 57 EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. I'M SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEM 16 FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK. WHILE WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE SOME OF THE DESIGN CHANGES THE CITY HAS MADE TO PROTECT MORE TREES IN PHASE TWO, WE STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS. THESE INCLUDE NUMBER ONE, REMOVAL OF ABOUT 10% OF ALL PICNIC TABLES INCLUDING 20 YEAR OLDS. BOND FINANCED WPA REPLICA TABLES WITH STONE GRILLS. THIS AT GREAT UNNECESSARY EXPENSE. TWO PARKING CHANGES THAT APPEAR TO REDUCE ACCESS TO A USE OF A LARGE PIECE OF THE PARK. THREE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC STONE KIOSK, EMBLEMATIC OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK WITH NO BUDGET FOR ITS RELOCATING AND NO EXPLANATION AS TO WHY FOUR HERITAGE TREE REMOVAL IN A WORLD AND IN A CITY IN WHICH TREES ARE EVER MORE PRECIOUS. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE MORE OF SAN ANTONIO. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE THE GREAT TREES OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION. GOOD MORNING, THIS IS RICHARD ALAN. I'M JUST LEAVING A VOICEMAIL. I LIVE AT 1 4 9 1 9 ENC SHANNON CASTLE, 7 8 2 0 7 DISTRICT 10. AND TO VOICE MY DISAPPROVAL OF THE PLAN FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK TO CUT DOWN TREES INTO, UH, REDUCE GREATLY THE PARKING ACCESSIBILITY INTO THE, INTO THAT HISTORIC PARK. UH, I'VE BEEN GOING THERE SINCE THE 1960S AND IT'S JUST A SHAME TO HEAR OF WHAT, UM, THESE PLANS ARE WOULD TAKE PLACE AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO LIMITING THE ACCESS TO THE PARK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS SALLY RIOS, 2 1 0 4 6 4 0 0 2 9. EMAIL SARIOS949@ATT.NET. I'M CALLING SPECIFICALLY TO SPEAK AGAINST REMOVAL OF THE PARKING SPOTS BETWE AT RIDGE PARK BETWEEN, UH, HILDEBRAND AND THE IRON BRIDGE. EVERY WEDNESDAY SINCE, UM, SINCE THE EARLY SEVENTIES, THERE HAS BEEN A WEDNESDAY NIGHT ZOO RUN AT THE PARK THAT BEGINS THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN APRIL AND CONTINUES THROUGH THE LAST WEDNESDAY IN OCTOBER. THIS EVENT BEGINS AT SIX 30. IT'S A FREE EVENT OPEN TO ALL CITIZENS. WE HAVE MOVED THROUGHOUT THE PARK, UH, AS A RESULT OF REMODELING AND DIFFERENT ISSUES. WE ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED AT THE AREA WHERE THE NATURE PLAY SCAPE WILL TAKE PLACE. SO FOR 2026, WE ARE PLANNING TO MOVE TO THE AREA AT THE CORNER OF GOLETA AND BRACKENRIDGE WAY AFTER THE TWO MILE EVENT, WE PLAN TO HAVE A SOCIAL HOUR OVER IN THE AREA BETWEEN, UM, THE DONKEY BARN AND THE, UH, BALL FIELD. WE'RE MOVING BECAUSE THE MOSQUITOES AT TO LETTA ARE SO GREAT, [02:55:01] WE CANNOT STAND THERE OR SIT THERE TO ENJOY A SOCIAL HOUR AFTERWARDS. UH, AS A RESULT, IF, IF THEY DO REMOVE ALL THE PARKING SPOTS, THERE WILL BE NO PLACE FOR US TO PARK OVER IN THAT AREA. CURRENTLY, THE LITTLE PARKING PLACE BETWEEN THE BALL FIELD AND UM, WHERE WE START, WHERE THE NATURE PLAY SCAPE WILL TAKE PLACE OR WILL BE, IS FILLED BY BALLPLAYERS AS WELL AS RUNNERS. ONCE THE NATURE PLAY SCAPE OPENS UP, THAT WHOLE AREA WILL BE TAKEN AND THEY WILL, THERE WILL BE NO PLACE FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN BALLPLAYERS AND, UH, PEOPLE ATTENDING THE PLAY SCAPE WILL BE ABLE TO PARK. THEY'LL HAVE TO WALK SOME DISTANCE. I UNDERSTAND RUNNERS CAN WALK THAT. HI, YES, I AM SANDRA LAGUNA AND I AM CALLING FROM 1801 SANTA ANA. UM, DISTRICT ONE, I AM CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM 16 FOR THE 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY'S IN BRECKENRIDGE PARK, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 5 8. UM, MY CONCERNS IS THE, UH, THE TREES, HOW MANY TREES WILL, UM, BE PRESERVED AND ALSO, UM, WILL THE ROADS BE REPAIRED OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMOVED, THE PARKING SPACES, UM, PICNIC TABLES. UM, I SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE REPAIRED, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT OUR CONCERNS IS THE, UH, CULTURAL, UH, TRADITION. UM, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE DESIGN. UM, I SAW THAT WE WERE LOSING A LOT OF THE PARKING AREAS, SO THAT IS MY CONCERN. THE PARKING AREAS, UM, ARE THEY GOING TO BE REPAIRED OR REMOVED AND HOW MANY TREES ARE GOING TO BE, UM, CUT DOWN, REMOVED AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT IS MY CONCERN. UM, THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS TAMMY VIERA. MY ADDRESS IS 8 9 1 4 LONG BRANCH SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 11. I'M CALLING ON AGENDA ITEM 16 BRACKRIDGE PARK. PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE OUR PICNIC TABLES AND PARKING SPACES. BRACKRIDGE, THE WAY IT IS IS WONDERFUL, BUT I TAKE MY FAMILY THERE. WE GO THERE ON WEEKENDS TO BARBECUE. IT'S NICE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CHANGED SO MUCH FROM WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND NOW MY KIDS ARE ADULTS AND I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN AND THEY LOVE IT THE WAY IT IS AND Y'ALL ARE JUST GONNA RUIN IT BY REMOVING THE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES. HI, MY NAME IS GARY GOLER. I LIVE IN SEVEN 15 RIVER ROAD. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 710-0844. I WAS PLANNING ON BEING AT THE MEETING, BUT I CANNOT, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY, OH, NOT MUCH TIME. THAT, UH, REMOVAL OF THE PICNIC TABLES IS ABSOLUTELY BIZARRE. IT'S LIKE THE PARK WANTS TO TAKE AWAY ANYTHING THAT FAMILIES USE TO ENJOY THE PARK. THEY JUST WANT TO DESTROY THE WHOLE SPIRIT OF THE GIFTS FROM THE BRADEN RIDGES. THERE IS NO REASON TO REMOVE THE PICNIC TABLES. THEY'RE USED BY CITIZENS AND NEEDED ALSO, UM, THE HISTORIC, UM, AND PRESS FOR TIME, UH, PUMP HOUSE WORK AND ALL OF THAT. LET'S, LET'S, LET'S PRESERVE OUR HISTOR HISTORIC THINGS AND LET'S NOT REMOVE AND TRY TO, AND PARKING AND ALL OF THAT. REMOVING THE HISTORIC STONE KIOSK. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, IS TOTALLY NO REASON FOR IT. UM, IT JUST, THE DESTRUCTION OF THE PARK, WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IS BEEN TO REMOVE THE WILDLIFE, THE MURDER OF ALL THE BIRDS. I MEAN, THERE'S NOT BEEN ONE GOOD THING THAT THEY'VE DONE TO MAKE IT PARK FOR THE CITIZENS. THERE'S SO LITTLE THAT HASN'T BEEN PRIVATIZED BY THE ZOO OR, OR THE WITTY, STOP IT. JUST STOP DOING THAT AND LET THE CITIZENS HAVE A NICE CITY PARK. MR. CHAIR, THAT WAS OUR LAST VOICEMAIL. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT. SO DOES, WELL WE'RE GONNA START IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS A, A VOICE HERE [03:00:01] FOR QUESTIONS. SO I'M GONNA START WITH MY LEFT, MR. CHAIR. I JUST ALSO JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CITY STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE PROJECT TEAM HERE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED. UM, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME, SOME QUICK ANSWERS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THOSE NOW. OKAY, I'LL ENTERTAIN THOSE. HELLO. ALRIGHT. UM, SO I, I MEAN, I WILL, I CAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF TO TALK ABOUT. UM, I CAN TRY TO ANSWER, UH, MY, MY DESIGN TEAM CAN TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ISSUES THAT YOU GUYS HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING UP. SO, UM, I THINK WHAT WE HEARD A LOT OF WAS, UM, PICNIC TABLES AND PARKING SPACES. SO, UM, I SIR TREES. TREES AS WELL. YES. UM, SO THE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN ISSUE PUTTING SOME PICNIC TABLES BACK. UH, PARKING SPACES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UH, THERE IS A LOT OF ASPHALT IN THAT AREA, A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER. UM, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE PROPOSAL OR THE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE, UM, A LOT, A BIG IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROJECT WAS TRYING TO, UM, IMPROVE THE ECOLOGY OF THE AREA, GET AS MUCH OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER OUT AS WE COULD COME BACK IN WITH SOIL AMENDMENTS, PLANT MATERIAL, AND A LOT OF NEW TREES. UM, SO, UH, TO, UH, TO KEEP SOME PARKING OR TO KEEP SOME PICNIC TABLES OR EVEN ALL THE PICNIC TABLES. JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF IMPERVIOUS COVER FROM THE PLAN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU RIGHT NOW. THAT WOULD BE A DECREASE IN THE ECOLOGICAL, UH, RESTORATION OF THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU RIGHT NOW. EMPHASIZE THAT BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE TREES IN SACRED POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR. YES. UM, SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UM, PERMISSION TO SPEAK HERE. SO IF YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UM, WE HAD TIME FOR THAT ALREADY, SO IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING ELSE. YEAH, I, I DO WANT TO MENTION AND JUST KIND OF CLARIFY, UH, YOU ALSO HEARD A LOT OF, UM, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERN ABOUT, UH, PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT ALONG THE RIVER, SOME OF THE TREES THAT ARE PART OF PHASE ONE. UM, ALL OF THAT WORK IS COMPLETE AND SEPARATE, COMPLETELY SEPARATE, EXCUSE ME, FROM WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IN PHASE TWO. UM, SO WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS THAT MORE IF WE NEED TO. BUT, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME PEOPLE CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS OUR PROPOSED FOR PHASE ONE. THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROJECT. THANK YOU. UM, DOES ANYONE OTHER FROM YOUR STAFF LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR THINGS OF NATURE BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION? I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER COMMENT. I THINK WE CAN JUST KIND OF OPEN IT UP TO YOU COMMISSIONERS AND, AND, UH, TRY TO ANSWER EITHER FROM STAFF OR FROM THE DESIGN TEAM. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL START OFF WITH QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION. SO I'LL START OFF ON MY LEFT. UM, COMMISSIONER GADA, UH, YES, JUST ONE QUESTION, UH, REAL QUICK. MS. STR, I BELIEVE, UH, BROUGHT THIS UP. UH, SECTION 1 0 6. UH, THIS WAS BEFORE MY TIME ON THE COMMISSION. OKAY. IF YOU COULD EDUCATE ME ON THAT AND WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. YES. AGAIN, SO THE SECTION 1 0 6 IS PART OF THE 4 0 4 PERMIT THAT WE HAVE TO GET FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR PHASE ONE. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT HERE ABOUT PHASE ONE THAT WAS ALREADY GIVEN APPROVAL IN APRIL OF 2023 BY THIS BODY. SO WE ARE HERE STRICTLY TO TALK ABOUT PHASE TWO AND FOR PHASE TWO. I'LL JUST ALSO ADD THERE'S NOT, THE SECTION 1 0 6 PROCESS IS NOT TRIGGERED BECAUSE THERE'S NO CORE INVOLVEMENT. UM, HOWEVER, IT DID GO THROUGH PERMITTING WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND SO WE DO HAVE A PERMIT FROM THEM FOR THE PHASE TWO PROJECT. YES. UH, WE DID ASK FOR A DETERMINATION FROM THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, UH, TO SEE IF THEY WOULD TAKE JURISDICTION OVER THIS PHASE TWO PROJECT, AND THEY DECIDED THAT, UM, NO, UH, UH, NO JURISDICTION WAS NECESSARY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE REGULATORY PERMITS, UH, WITH THE CORPS FOR THIS PROJECT. PHASE TWO, THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA. SURE. THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT, BUT ONE THING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES ARE THE PICNIC TABLES. [03:05:01] AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED A CEMENT PAD FOR THOSE PICNIC TABLES. UH, I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE NECESSARY, BUT FOR THE PARKING ARRANGEMENTS, ISN'T THERE SUCH THING AS, UM, NOT IMPERVIOUS, BUT PERVIOUS IS, IS THAT THE WORD WAY TO SAY IT? PARKING AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A, A GRID SAY, OF STONE THAT'S OPEN LIKE A, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, MY I'M ACROSS, BUT IT'S A, UH, AN OPEN BRICK WITH, UH, WHERE, WHERE THE BRICK OPEN SPACES ARE FILLED WITH, UM, CRUSHED GRANITE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW THE WATER TO, TO, TO GO INTO THE EARTH TO PERCOLATE. YES, SIR. UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR THE PARKING AREAS, UH, FOR THE EXISTING PARKING AREA? UH, POSSIBLY. BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THAT PARKING AREA, UH, THAT FOLKS WERE TALKING ABOUT IS RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD AS YOU EXIT, UH, TO, UH, HILDEBRAND OR AS YOU ENTER FROM HILDEBRAND, UM, THAT AREA, UM, IS IN, IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE WITH RESPECT TO EROSION AND, UM, UH, AND, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER. THERE'S A LOT OF ASPHALT OUT THERE, BROKEN UP ASPHALT. WHEN WE SEE, UM, UH, UH, WATER EVENTS, RAIN EVENTS COME THROUGH, UH, A LOT OF THE, UH, PARTICULATES AND MATERIAL FROM THAT ASPHALT, UH, GETS, UM, MOVED INTO THE WATERWAYS. SO WHAT WE DID FOR THE DESIGN IS WE'VE COMPLETELY KIND OF, UM, TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT AREA, TRY TO MINIMIZE AS MUCH OF THE, UM, THE ROAD OR, UH, VEHICULAR PAVEMENT AS WE COULD. UM, AND AGAIN, TRY TO GREEN UP THAT AREA WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH PLANT MATERIAL AND, UH, OPEN GRASS AREA. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY TAKE AWAY SOME OF THAT OPEN GRASS AREA, UH, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO, UH, PICNIC DURING EASTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND WE CAN ADD IN A PARKING AREA, BUT IT'S GONNA SIGNIFICANTLY SHIFT, UH, OUR DESIGN PURPOSES FOR THAT PARTICULAR SPOT OF THE PARK. WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT THE AMENITIES AND THE, THE NEW VISTAS THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE RACEWAY AREA WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO APPRECIATE AT A PICNIC SITE. UH, IT, IT IS FOR PEOPLE TO APPRECIATE. CORRECT. AND THAT'S ONE WAY TO APPRECIATE IT AS, AS A PART IS ASIDE FROM JUST WALKING THROUGH THE AREA. UM, OKAY. WELL YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, WE, WE WILL HAVE, UH, BENCHES AND OTHER PLACE FOR SEATING, UH, IN THE PROJECT. UH, THAT'S IN THE DESIGN DRAWINGS AS WELL. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT A PICNIC UNIT, SO TO SPEAK, WITH A TABLE OF GRILL AND A TRASH CAN IS NECESSARY FOR THAT TYPE OF, OF PARK USE, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN ADDING IN, ADDING BACK IN SOME PICNIC AREAS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO USE THAT AREA, UH, TO PICNIC. UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT VERY SELDOM USED FOR PICNICKING AND ALL OF THE, UH, PARKING IS TYPICALLY USED ON A DAILY BASIS FOR THE STUDENTS OVER AT INCARNATE WORD. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO, UM, IN, IN TRYING TO TAKE SOME OF THAT AWAY, UH, SOME OF THE PARKING AWAY AND SOME OF THE PICNIC UNITS AWAY IS TO, UM, DO OUR BEST TO KIND OF, UM, IMPROVE THE ECOLOGY IN THAT AREA. REALLY, THE, THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO REMOVE THE IMPERVIOUS COVER. SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER PARKING JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE AND ACTUALLY STILL A BUNCH OF PARKING WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA. UM, AND WE WERE GONNA BE LOOKING WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AT MAYBE WHERE TO PUT SOME OTHER PARKING SPOTS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD STILL PARK NEAR THIS NORTHERN SECTION OF THE PARK AND BE ABLE TO WALK TO IT TO GET TO IT AND ENJOY IT. UM, TO HAVE PE TO HAVE A PARKING AREA RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. I UNDERSTAND THE CONVENIENCE OF THAT. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHY WE BUILD PARKS. UM, WE, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE PARK AND BE ABLE TO WALK IT AND USE IT. LEMME INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE SECOND, I'M SORRY. PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, PLEASE KEEP IT DOWN. WHILE HE'S SPEAKING HERE. EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, SO RESPECT THE SPEAKER THAT'S UP HERE NOW SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS, PLEASE. THANK YOU. CLEAR, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. I'M PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH DONE WITH THAT COMMENT, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. NO, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND THE ROADWAYS, BUT BRECKENRIDGE PARK IS RATHER UNUSUAL IN THAT THE, UH, ROADWAYS ARE COVERED WITH TREES EVERYWHERE YOU DRIVE PAST, UH, LAMBERT BEACH AND MM-HMM . AND THE, THE ROADWAY HAS TREES, BIG [03:10:01] TREES GOING, GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE ASPHALT. YEAH. UM, AND IT, IT'S, IT STILL WILL. SO THERE, THERE WILL, THERE'S STILL A ROAD THERE. WE WILL PLANT SOME TREES CLOSE TO THAT ROAD. WE'LL PLANT, WE'RE PLANTING TREES ALL ALONG THE, UH, THE WALKS AND THE TRAILS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO, TO BUILD. UM, SO IT WILL BE A HEAVILY SHADED AREA. UM, THIS AREA RIGHT NOW IS HEAVILY USED BY, UH, UH, THE VEHICLE, PEOPLE IN CARS, PARKING, DRIVING THROUGH IT. WE WANT TO GIVE THIS SECTION OF THE PARK BACK TO THE PEDESTRIAN. WE WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO THEM. WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, IMPROVE THE ECOLOGY, ADD A BUNCH MORE TREES, WHICH YOU SAW ON OUR, ON OUR, UH, PRESENTATION AT A BUNCH OF, UM, UH, NEW GROUND COVER AND PLANTS, UH, THAT WILL HELP THE ECOLOGY AND BRING IN NEW HABITAT, NEW ANIMALS TO COME INTO THIS AREA. NEW BIRDS. UM, AND, AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T USE THIS SECTION OF THE PARK, THIS NORTHERN NORTHERNMOST, FIVE TO SIX ACRES, IT'S BASICALLY A SEA OF ASPHALT AND CONCRETE RIGHT NOW. UH, IT DOES HAVE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES INTERTWINED IN BETWEEN IT, UH, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THOSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ARE THERE BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ACCESSING THIS PART OF THE PARK, YOU'RE IN A CAR, YOU'RE NOT ON FOOT. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CHANGE THAT, GET THE CAR OUT OF THIS SIX ACRES, BRING THE PEDESTRIAN BACK SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY SEE ALL OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA. UM, APPRECIATE THEM, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ENJOY, UH, THE NATURE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE IN THIS AREA. SURE. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND THAT MAKES GREAT SENSE. BUT YOU DON'T WANNA THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, SO YOU'VE GOTTA FIND A WAY TO DO BOTH. YES, SIR. TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND TO PARK AND TO PICNIC THERE, AS WELL AS BRINGING IN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. AND I, I AGREE. SURE. THAT THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT, UM, WAY TO APPRECIATE THE PARK TALKING ABOUT DRIVING THROUGH THERE. ONE THING I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP THAT WE DID NOT BRING UP DURING THE, UH, PRESENTATION IS DOWN HERE IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, UH, WE INCLUDED A TURNAROUND. UH, SO WITH ALL OF THE ASPHALT THAT, UH, ORIGINAL ASPHALT THAT WENT AROUND AND CREATED A BIG ASPHALT LOOP, UH, WE CREATED A TURNAROUND. SO THOSE LOW RIDERS OR ANYBODY WHO IS GOING EAST AND OUT OF THE PARK, THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, ELSEWHERE TO TURN AROUND BACK INTO THE PARK. SO WE CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT THERE. IT'S A TURNAROUND WITHIN THE, UH, EXISTING STREET THAT PEOPLE CAN USE TO TURNAROUND, COME BACK INTO THE PARK AND CIRCULATE HOW THEY WANT TO IN A CAR. THANK YOU. ONE MORE, ONE LAST QUESTION. I KNOW THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO NEED TALK. YEAH. YOU, YOU'VE, UM, CAN YOU HOLD THAT TO THE NEXT ROUND? LET ME SURE. GET TO THE NEXT ONE. UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, PLEASE. YES, I'LL TRY, I'LL TRY AND BE QUICK. THIS, UH, FOR MR, I MIGHT BE PRONOUNCING AROUND. MR. AL, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. CAN YOU TELL ME, GIMME A HEAD COUNT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE AND THEN A, UH, NUMBER OF GROUPS THAT USE THIS SITE FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES YEAR ROUND? I'M NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. I KNOW I'VE SEEN HISTORICAL RECORDS OF ROMAN CATHOLIC MASSES AT THE SITE. I'VE SEEN, I BELIEVE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN BAPTISMS. UM, WE SAW WHAT LOOKED TO ME LIKE PROBABLY NON-DENOMINATIONAL PROTESTANTS. UM, I ONLY HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION. I REPRESENT GARY AND MATILDA, UH, WHO ARE MEMBERS OF A LAAN NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR NATIVE AMERICAN. I'M, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT NATIVE AMERICAN INDIGENOUS TRIBES. SURE. HOW MANY USE THAT? SO, UM, SO MR. PEREZ AND MS. TORRES ARE MEMBERS OF THE LA POND NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH. SO THAT'S ONE ORGANIZATION. UM, THERE ARE TWO LA POND APACHE TRIBES IN TEXAS WHO HAVE EACH REGISTERED THEIR RELIGIOUS OBJECTIONS. BACK IN 2022, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THE PONCA TRIBE SUBMITTED A RELIGIOUS LETTER TO THE ARMY CORPS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. AND THEN YOU HEARD THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMANCHE NATION. UM, SO THEY HAVE ALL EXPRESSED THEIR OFFICIAL POSITION ON THIS PROJECT. NO, NO IDEA ON NUMBERS THOUGH, THAT MIGRATE OR, OR THAT, THAT PILGRIM TO, TO THE SITE? ANY IDEA? THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I DON'T KNOW HARD NUMBER, THE NUMBERS. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, ONE THING THAT'S UNUSUAL ABOUT SOME INDIGENOUS RELIGIOUS PRACTITIONERS IS THAT THEY KEEP SOME OF THOSE PILGRIMAGES SECRET FROM AUTHORITIES, UM, FROM NON PARTICIPANTS IN THE RITUALS. UM, I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS. I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S ANY PERSON ON EARTH WHO KNOWS THE NUMBERS OF THOSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. [03:15:01] HOLLER. THANKS. UM, CAN YOU CLARIFY JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHAT THE, WHAT, WHAT TREE REMOVAL IS PROPOSED AND, AND WHAT PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE FOR THE EXISTING TREES, THE REMAINING TREES, JUST QUICKLY. SURE. UH, ONLY 'CAUSE WE TALKED SO MUCH ABOUT THAT. SO, UH, THE PROPOSED NUMBERS ARE ON THE RIGHT. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, THREE HERITAGE TREES REMOVED, ACTUALLY. UM, WE HAD A BIT OF MISTAKE ON THAT. WE ASSUMED THERE WAS A, WE SATCH WE READ THE, THE, UM, UH, CODE WRONG. UM, MISTAKENLY ASSUMED THAT IT WAS A HERITAGE. IT'S NOT. UM, SO THAT NUMBER THREE OF, OF HERITAGE TREES REMOVED IS INCORRECT. BUT, UH, WE'LL ADDRESS IT AS A HERITAGE DURING PERMITTING IF WE NEED TO FOR MITIGATION PURPOSES. UM, THERE WILL, THERE WILL ALSO BE 23 SIGNIFICANT TREES REMOVED. UM, 10 ARE TO BE RELOCATED. AND OF COURSE THERE ARE RIGHT NOW 19, UH, INVASIVE OR DEAD AND DYING TREES. UM, AS, AS YOU GUYS WELL KNOW, AS TIME CONTINUES, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST A SNAPSHOT OF THE TREE PICTURE TODAY. UM, IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT A WEEK, A MONTH, A YEAR FROM NOW. UH, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR PLAN, UM, IS, UH, UM, PROPOSING TO KEEP 153, UH, TREES EITHER SIGNIFICANT OR HERITAGE TREES WITHIN THIS PROJECT. IS THAT OUT OUT OF, OUT OF 208? THANK YOU. AND REAL QUICK, JUST IF YOU CAN OUTLINE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT HAS OCCURRED SURE. AND HOW THAT HAS SHAPED YOUR PLAN A ABSOLUTELY. SO, UH, WE STARTED THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN EARLY 2022. UM, WE DID A, UH, A SITE VISIT. WE DID AN ONLINE, UM, UM, TOWN HALL, SO TO SPEAK. UM, AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THERE WERE SEVEN, UH, IN-PERSON PUBLIC MEETINGS. I BELIEVE ALL OF THEM WERE HELD AT THE WITTY MUSEUM. UH, WE DID A SERIES OF, UH, THE FIRST MEETING WAS KIND OF AN INTRODUCTION TO BOTH PHASES. UM, THE SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH MEETING WE CONCENTRATED ON PHASE ONE. UM, THE, UM, FIFTH AND SIXTH MEETING WE CONCENTRATED ON PHASE TWO. GOT A LOT OF GREAT INPUT, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC ON THAT, UH, WHICH IS THE PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY. AND THEN THE SEVENTH, UH, MEETING, WHICH HAPPENED, I WANT TO SAY AT THE END OF AUGUST OF 22. SO WE MET FROM FEBRUARY OF 22 TO AUGUST OF 22, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC. UM, ESSENTIALLY NINE MEETINGS, SEVEN OF THEM IN PER IN PERSON PLUS THE TOUR. UM, AT THE END OF AUGUST, THAT FINAL MEETING, WE PROPOSED OUR, UM, OUR, UM, FINAL CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR BOTH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. UH, AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, UH, WAS FINISHING UP THOSE PROJECTS CONSECUTIVELY, NOT NECESSARILY CONCURRENTLY. UH, AND THEN JUST LAST WEEK WE HAD A, UH, FINAL PHASE TWO PUBLIC MEETING. IT WAS AN OPEN HOUSE, UH, WITH ALL OF THE IMAGES YOU SEE IN THE PRESENTATION. THEY WERE ON BOARDS. UH, WE HAD ABOUT 50 OR SO, UH, FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY CAME TO AND SIGNED IN. I THINK WE HAD MORE PEOPLE THAN THAT. MAYBE SOME DIDN'T SIGN IN, BUT WE HAD PE UH, 50 PEOPLE SIGN IN. THEY WERE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH, UH, CITY STAFF AND THE DESIGN TEAM ON A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS, UH, IN FRONT OF ALL OF THESE IMAGES, UH, TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS, TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE SCOPE OF, UH, THIS PROJECT, UM, AND HOW WE CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION. UM, AND, UH, AND THAT NOW WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THIS, FOR THIS MEETING. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER SINO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I AGREE WITH FELLOW COMMISSIONERS' CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING AND THE PICNIC TABLES. UM, ALL OF WHAT THEY'VE SAID, UM, IT COULD USE, THOSE TOPICS REALLY DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, BECAUSE I'M AFRAID WHAT HAPPENS. UM, WELL, I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS FOR LATER QUESTIONS. UM, AS WE LOOK AT ONE OF YOUR DRAWINGS OF IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE ORANGE TINT, CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THOSE PICNIC TABLES ARE IN THIS, THIS DRAWING? ARE THEY THE DOTS? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. THEY'RE THE, UH, ORANGE CIRCLES. THOSE ARE THE, THE SMALL ORANGE CIRCLES THAT ARE IN AND AMONGST ALL OF THE TREES? YES. OKAY. OKAY. [03:20:01] UM, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY INCLUDE OR ADD A WHOLE LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, UM, THAT CAN BE DEALT WITH. UM, THE MISSING TREES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TWO MISSING TREES. THE MESQUITES BY THE PUMP HOUSE ON THE RIVER SIDE THAT WERE MISSING FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. I LOOKED IN CY CYPRESS TREES, CYPRUS. SORRY, WHAT DID I SAY? CEDAR, UH, MESQUITES SAID, OH, MESQUITE. SORRY. IT'S THE, THE CYPRUS. THAT'S OKAY. SORRY. UM, AND, UM, I NOTICED, UM, LET'S SEE, WELL, THOSE HAVE BEEN PHASE ONE. IS THAT WHEN THOSE WERE DEALT WITH COR, CORRECT? THEY WILL, THEY WILL BE DEALT WITH IN PHASE ONE? YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS PART OF THE PHASE ONE. THAT WAS PART OF PHASE ONE? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T SHOW UP IN THE SET. WE DON'T SEE ANY OF THE EXISTING CONDITION PLANS, BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T IN THE SET. SO IT WAS DIFFICULT TO SEE WHAT OKAY. EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE. UM, I THINK WE HAD SOME EXISTING CONDITION PLANS IN THE SET, DID WE? NOT THE CD, NO. I, THEY'RE NOT ON THE ONES LOADED. UPLOADED, BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE TIME ON THAT. UM, PICNIC TABLES. UM, SO THE PUMPHOUSE, THAT'S PHASE TWO, MA'AM? THAT'S PHASE TWO. YES, MA'AM. IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PHASE TWO. IT HAS, YEAH. AND IT'S ALSO UNDERGONE, OR IT'S, UM, HAS A 1 0 6 REVIEW. CORRECT. THE FOUNDATION DOES NOT THE REST OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. BUT THE FOUNDATION DOES, UM, THE NEWLY UNCOVERED PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE, IS THAT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT ON THE RACEWAY? IS THAT THE ONE N NO, NO, THAT, UH, NEW UNCOVERED PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IS ACTUALLY OVER. THE ASAKIA. IS OVER THE ASAKIA. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, OKAY. WHY WOULD, UM, THE OTHER BRIDGE, THE ONE IMMEDIATE, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE PUMP HOUSE, WHY WOULDN'T THAT FOUNDATION ALSO BE ELIGIBLE FOR 1 0 6? WHICH BRIDGE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE TO THE EAST, NORTHEAST OF THE PUMP HOUSE. UM, I, I MEAN, THERE'S THE ROAD, ROAD THAT IS OH, IN FRONT OF THE PUMP HOUSE. IT'S ROAD. OKAY. IT'S A ROAD. YES, MA'AM. UM, YEAH, WE HAD, UH, AT LENGTH DISCUSSION WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION ON THAT UHHUH , UM, THAT, UH, ROAD IS MAJORITY FILL. UM, AND THEY DID NOT, UM, I, I FORGET WHO IT WAS, BUT, UM, I DON'T, IT, MAYBE IT WAS THE THC, UH, THAT DEEMED THAT, UH, IT WAS A NON-CONTRIBUTING, OR WE HAD A, A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT WHO CONSIDERED IT NON-CONTRIBUTING, AND THE THC AGREED WITH THAT ASSESSMENT. OKAY. SO THE, THE MAJORITY OF THAT VEHICULAR BRIDGE IS FILLED WITH ASPHALT. OKAY. THE ONLY THING THAT REMAINS OF THAT VEHICULAR BRIDGE IS THE WALL TO THE NORTHEAST MM-HMM . RIGHT, OKAY. WITH THE SLU SKATES. YEP. YEP. YEAH. SO ANY OTHER, BESIDES THE PUMP HOUSE, ANY OTHER STRUCTURES ELIGIBLE FOR A ONE OH, SECTION 1 0 6 IN PHASE TWO? BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS NOTHING IN PHASE TWO IN PHASE TWO, CORRECT? YEAH, BUT IT, SO, SO THE, THE 1 0 6 REVIEW IS THE HISTORIC PORTION OF A 4 0 4 PERMIT. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND SO IF YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A 4 0 4 PERMIT FOR YOUR PROJECT FROM THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THEN THERE IS NO 1 0 6 REVIEW AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER. OKAY. YES. CONCERN ALSO ABOUT THE DRIVE AND ALSO GOING THROUGH THE PARK, REDUCING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THROUGH THE PARK. UM, SOMEBODY MENTIONED, OR DID SOMEONE MENTION THAT BRECKENRIDGE DRIVE WOULD CLOSE AT HILDEBRAND? IS THAT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE, IS IT? NO. IN, IN THESE PLANS? NO, MA'AM. THE, THERE WILL BE A, A CONTINUOUS ROAD THROUGH UHHUH . UM, ALL WE'RE REMOVING IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, ALL OF THE ASPHALT ON THE TOP, AND THEN THERE'S A HUGE PARKING LOT ASPHALT RIGHT THERE. ALL OF THAT WILL GO. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE BULGE OF RED, UH, RIGHT OVER HERE BY THE LILY POND. MM-HMM . YEAH. THAT INCLUDES THE ROAD AND, UH, SOME PARKING SPACES ON EITHER SIDE, I RECALL. SO IT'S THOSE PARKING SPACES THAT WERE, UH, PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. I RECALL WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. OKAY. UM, AND I THINK THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS OKAY. RIGHT NOW. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. THANK YOU. UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UM, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THE TWO CYPRESSES THAT ARE BEING REFERRED TO AS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY RELIGIOUS ARE IN PHASE ONE. CORRECT. SO, LIKE, YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, AND, UM, SO, UH, MY NEXT QUESTION, OR IF I COULD HAVE THE STAFF PULL UP THE PDF THAT SAYS HERITAGE REMOVED, COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH WHY THESE THREE TREES NEED TO BE REMOVED? YEAH, WE, UH, WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK ASHTON WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, UH, BETTER AT EXPLAINING THOSE. SO THE [03:25:01] TREE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, IT'S TREE 40 ON OUR PLANTS. UH, AND THIS IS A, UM, A BLACK WILLOW THAT'S SITTING DIRECTLY OVER THE UPPER LAB BOARD DAM. UM, AND ITS ROOTS ARE GOING IN THROUGH IT CURRENTLY. UM, SO AS PART OF THE PROJECT, WE ARE REMOVING THIS TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC RESOURCE, UH, IN THE NEXT ONE. SO IN THIS ONE IS 3 41, UH, THIS ONE IS BEING REMOVED TO PROVIDE, UH, AN ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY TO THE DOMINGO, UH, RODRIGUEZ, UH, FOOTBALL OP BRIDGE. UH, AND THAT IS PART OF THE OVERLOOK, UM, DESIGN FOR THE LILLY POND. UH, AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE THOUGHT WAS A SMALL SPECIES HERITAGE, UM, BUT IT'S JUST A SMALL SPECIES SIGNIFICANT TO BE REMOVED. UM, AND THIS IS TO PROVIDE AN ACCESSIBLE PATH FROM THE OVERLOOK AREAS FACING THE RACEWAY OVER TO THE PUMP HOUSE PLAZA, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET BY THE, THE BASEBALL FIELD TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE PUMP HOUSE. SO, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, MOST, AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE ARE JUST LIKE CONVENIENCE, CORRECT? LIKE, WE JUST NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUILD THE PATHWAY OR THAT KIND OF STUFF. DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? YES. IT'S LIKE DESIGN, THE DESIGN WOULD HAVE TO SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE IN ORDER TO NOT HAVE, OR TO PRESERVE THOSE. UM, AND IT WOULD, UH, UH, IMPACT ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK. OKAY. IF I, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, UM, THE, UH, SECOND PICTURE THAT WAS SHOWN, TREE 41, UH, THE ROOTS ARE ALSO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BEGINNING OF THE, UH, UPPER LABOR SEIA. SO YOU HAVE ON ONE SIDE THE ASAKIA THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING, AND THEN YOU HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, ACCESSIBLE PATHWAY THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, TO BUILD BY CODE. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. QUILL. FOR, FOR EVERYONE. IT IS GRALE RHYMES WITH SMILE. OKAY. I'M SORRY, MR. GRALE. NO PROBLEM. UM, UH, QUESTION FOR YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UH, DURING YOUR TESTIMONY THAT, UM, THE TWO CYPRESSES IN QUESTION FOR PHASE ONE WERE RELIGIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT, UM, TO YOUR, UH, TO YOUR CLIENTS. UM, ARE THERE, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER RELIGIOUSLY SIGNIFICANT ITEMS IN PHASE TWO? NO, IT'S, IT'S REALLY LIMITED TO THOSE, UM, FOR MY CLIENTS. IT'S REALLY THAT RIVER BEND, WHICH MIRRORS THE CONSTELLATION ERA RADUS IN THE SKY. UH, SO THE BIG CONCERN IS THOSE CYPRUS, THE LARGER CONCERNS, UM, NORTH AND EAST, UM, MAYBE THERE'S LIKE SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEY WANT PICNIC TABLES, BUT THAT'S NOT THE RELIGIOUS IMPACT. AND, AND ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THOSE PUBLIC, UM, MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD ABOUT INPUT IS THAT ACTUALLY MR. MORENO TESTIFIED IN FEDERAL COURT THAT THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED THE DESIGN TO ACCOMMODATE THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH. AND HE SAID THAT THE CITY HEARD THEIR TESTIMONY AND THEY MADE NO CHANGES BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SAVE TIME AND MONEY. THAT'S A, THAT'S A FEDERAL COURT TESTIMONY. THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE HANDOUT THAT I SAID. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HOSTS MEETINGS WHERE THEY HEAR PEOPLE. UM, SIR, SIR, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND. UM, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION, SO I'D LIKE YOU TO FOCUS ON THAT, PLEASE. YES, SIR. SO, AS TO THE REST OF PHASE TWO, UM, IT'S REALLY LIMITED TO THE TREES AT THAT RIVERBEND. UM, IF THEY HAVE BEEN REDRAWING, I, I AGREE WITH MS. STRAND THAT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS BETWEEN WHAT'S WITHIN, UH, PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. UM, BUT REALLY IT'S LIMITED TO TREES ALONG THE RIVERBEND. AND SO THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NORTH AND EAST ARE NOT PART OF THE CONCERN. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAMAN QUESTION. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU, CHAIR. UH, THERE, THERE'S 10 TREES THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED. TH THOSE ARE WITHIN THIS PHASE TWO SPACE? YES. RELOCATION. AND THERE ARE 26 TREES BEING REMOVED ALTOGETHER. SO ONLY 10 OF THOSE 26. WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THOSE OTHER 16? JUST DISPOSAL? NO. SO THE, THE 10 BEING, UH, RELOCATED ARE IN ADDITION TO THE 26. THEY'RE NOT PART, IS THAT THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IT'S A SEPARATE CATEGORY. GOT IT. SO THEY, THEY WILL, THEY WILL REMAIN IN THE, UH, SITE AFTER CONSTRUCTION. THEY WILL BE IN DIFFERENT SPOTS. UH, WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO MITIGATE THEM, UH, PER THE ORDINANCE OR, UM, EXCUSE ME, PER THE CODE, THE UDC. UM, SO WE'LL STILL BE MITIGATING FOR THEM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THEM. UH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT THEM AS CLOSE TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION AS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT YEAH, THEY ARE BEING RELOCATED. AND ARE THERE, WHAT [03:30:01] ARE THE REASONS WHY THE OTHER 26 CANNOT BE RELOCATED? UH, THERE ARE VARIOUS REASONS. I, YOU, YOU WANNA, OR HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. I THINK, ROSS, CAN YOU COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT, UM, THE ASSESSMENT FROM EDI, I THINK ASHTON CAN AS WELL. UM, THIS IS ROSS HOSEA, HE'S, UH, A ARBORIST WITH THE, UH, PARKS DEPARTMENT. UM, AND THEN ASHTON, WE, WE DID HAVE A, A TEAM COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, ALL OF THE PROPOSED REMOVALS TO SEE WHICH ONES COULD BE RELOCATED OR, OR NOT. SO ROSS, TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. UH, GOOD EVENING. ROSS, ISAIAH, URBAN FOREST MANAGER FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. UH, WE DID AN ASSESSMENT ON ALL OF THE TREES ONE BY ONE, AND DETERMINED THAT THOSE THAT WE HAVE NOT, UM, LISTED AS RELOCATIONS, UH, WERE DUE TO EITHER THEIR CURRENT CONDITION OR JUST, UH, THE INABILITY THAT THEY WOULD SURVIVE OR LIKELY SURVIVE A, A TRANSPLANT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND I THINK IT WAS CONFIRMED EARLIER, OR JUST IN THE PAST COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT THE ONLY RELIGIOUS, THE, THE ONLY TREES SEEN AS RELIGIOUS SIGNIFICANCE ARE IN PHASE THAT ARE BEING REMOVED, ARE IN PHASE ONE, CORRECT? YES. YES, SIR. TO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NONE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN PHASE TWO THAT HAVE RELIGIOUS SIGNIFICANCE THAT ARE BEING REMOVED, CORRECT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, YES. AND THEN WAS, WAS THE COMMUNITY EVER INVOLVED IN IDENTIFYING THE PLANTS OR THE TREES THAT WOULD BE PLANTED IN IN THE, IN PHASE TWO? YES, SIR. WE, SO DURING OUR, UM, OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS ON PHASE TWO, UH, WE DID SHARE SOME IDEAS FOR THE NATIVE SPECIES THAT WE WOULD LIKELY PUT IN THERE. UM, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED. UM, I DON'T RECALL. DO, DO YOU RECALL ASH? IF THERE WAS ANY THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. AS LONG AS THEY CAME UP. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT'S THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BEING REMOVED? UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S 22. I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY, BUT WITH, WITH NO IDENTIFIED PLAN OF RELOCATING THOSE 22, WELL, NOT, NOT IDENTIFIED PLAN YET. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO WORK WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT ON, IS TO TRY TO GET NEW PARKING SPACES AS CLOSE AS WE COULD TO THIS AREA. UH, TRY TO HIT THOSE 22. UM, THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNE SPOTS WHERE WE CAN DO THAT. UM, BUT IN ORDER TO, TO WORK THROUGH THAT, WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO EXPAND THE LIMIT OF WORK. DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT. SO WE WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THAT, UM, EITHER AT THE SAME TIME WITH A, ANOTHER CONTRACTOR OR AT A LATER DATE. BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPOTS, SORRY, 22 OF. AND HOW MANY TOTAL PARKING SPOTS ARE IN THAT PHASE TWO AREA? WELL, UM, APPROXIMATELY, YEAH. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THERE, THERE'S, UH, THESE TWO LITTLE BAYS HERE, YOU HAVE PARKING, UM, I WANT TO SAY THERE'S CLOSE TO 20 IN THAT SECTION. THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ON THE OPPOSITE, UM, CURB, UM, THAT WILL REMAIN. SO, UH, THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF PARKING HERE. UH, WE WILL, UH, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND ADDRESS THE AMOUNT OF ACCESSIBLE PARKING SPOTS. UH, WE MAY END UP NEEDING TO ADD ONE. UM, BUT THERE WILL BE ACCESSIBLE PARKING HERE TO, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THIS PART OF THE PARK ONCE WE'RE DONE ON CONSTRUCTION. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER QUEZ? YES. YES, SIR. LISTENING TO EVERYTHING I, I END UP LAST ONE, I GET TO HEAR EVERYBODY, WHICH IS, IS KIND OF COOL. UM, I'M NOT GETTING ANY SENSE THAT THERE'S ANY RECOGNITION THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A MASSIVE CULTURAL CHANGE. AND I'M WONDERING WHY, WHY ISN'T, WHY HAVEN'T Y'ALL CHOSEN TO PRESENT THE ALTERATIONS AS SOMETHING THAT RADICALLY CHANGES THE USE OF THE, TO THE PARK? UH, RADICALLY CHANGE THE USE? OKAY. WELL, IT, IT, IT, EXACTLY. I MEAN, THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORIC USE THAT INCLUDES THE CARS, WHICH IS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE INTENTIONAL, THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH IN THE PARK. AND, AND, AND THE FACT THAT MOST OF US THAT HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY HAVE, HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH THE PARK MANY TIMES. UH, THE, UM, THE USE THE HOLIDAY, USE THE MM-HMM . THE BENCHES, THE, THE, UM, UM, UH, THE, THE TURNAROUND. EVERY ASPECT OF THAT IS RADICALLY CHANGED. AND THE, THE, THE USE SEEMS TO BE, UH, CONTRARY TO YOUR STATEMENTS, THAT WE'RE GONNA RETURN IT TO RETURN IT TO WHAT? I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT JUST SAY MY AGE. IT'S HAD THE USE THAT IT HAS, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS, SO RETURN IT, UM, AND IT, AND, AND THE FACT THAT THE PARK WAS A GIFT [03:35:01] AND IT'S BEEN IN USE AND THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY BECOME WHAT BRECKENRIDGE IS. SO, SO THAT IT'S, IT'S IN ITS LIVING SELF, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S YOUR OBLIGATION TO PRESENT A PROJECT THAT IMPROVES SOMETHING, AND THAT IF IT HAS A RADICAL CHANGE, THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE UPFRONT AND YOU SHOULD BE, UH, UH, AFRAID OF THAT. AND I WONDER WHY, WHY IS THAT NOT GIVEN TO US AHEAD OF TIME? BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND THIS PROJECT BACKWARDS, WHERE THERE'S A CHANGE THAT'S GONNA OCCUR. AND, AND WE'RE TRYING NOT TO, I THINK I, I, AT LEAST MYSELF, I'M TRYING TO TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT EVERY OTHER TURN, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, AND THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN IT SEEMS THAT THIS THING HAS NEVER WORKED. THAT THE PARK HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FAILURE, UH, THAT THE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE GOING THERE FOR EASTER BECAUSE IT'S RUINING THE PARK. AND THAT IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME, THE, THE, THE NUMBER ONE POLLUTANT IN THE RIVER, THERE HAS BEEN THE ZOO, NOT THE PEOPLE. YOU HARDLY EVER SEE TRASH IN THAT RIVER. SO I'M WONDERING WHY, WHY THE CONFIDENCE ISN'T THERE TO BE VERY HAPPY ABOUT PRESENTING A RADICAL BENEFICIAL CHANGE, RATHER, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE, UH, A PRESENTATION OF PRESERVING SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY NOT A PRESERVATION OF ANYTHING. IT'S A CHANGE. IT'S A RADICAL CHANGE. THE BIKERS THAT ARE THERE, THE LOW RIDERS THAT USE IT ON THE WEEKENDS, THE HOLIDAY PEOPLE, BUT PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE THAT USE THAT LITTLE AREA, I, I'M NOT CONNECTING WITH WHICH YOUR, YOUR TESTIMONY THAT IS NOT HARDLY EVER USED. EVERY TIME I DRIVE THROUGH THERE, THERE'S PEOPLE PICNICKING ON THOSE TABLES. AND, AND, AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE EVERY TIME I DRIVE THROUGH THERE, I'M WONDERING, I, I WONDER WHAT WONDERFUL THING IS GOING ON RIGHT THERE, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL DRIVE. RIGHT? SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU CHOSEN TO TAKE A MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH TO YOUR PRESENTATION WITH RESPECT TO THE RADICAL CHANGE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? WELL, UH, I WOULD SAY, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH YOUR, UH, RADICAL CHANGE. UM, YOU, UH, YOU TALK ABOUT THE LOW RIDERS, THEY, THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY. THEY CAN STILL GO ONE DIRECTION, TURN AROUND, GO THE OTHER, AND CRUISE THROUGH THE REST OF THE 347 ACRES OF THE PARK. REMEMBER, THIS IS JUST THE NORTHERNMOST FIVE TO SIX ACRES OF THE PARK. THERE'S A LOT MORE PARK THAT THE LOW RIDERS USE. BUT SEE THAT EXACTLY, EXACTLY. THAT'S A RADICAL CHANGE. YOU JUST, UM, IT'S NOT KIND OF A PO ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOT MUCH CHANGE AT ALL, SIR. NOT MUCH CHANGE AT ALL. YOU HAVE, WE'VE JUST HEARD A THOUSAND PEOPLE PRACTICALLY, UH, EXAGGERATING, BUT A VERY, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ALSO DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY. BUT, BUT I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE WRONG. IT JUST, IT JUST IS A CONTRADICTION TO, TO THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING IT, THAT, THAT, THAT IT SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY THAT IT'S A RADICAL CHANGE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN ARE NOT WRONG. AND, AND IF YOU ARE NOT WRONG, THEN THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE NOT WRONG. AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE THAT BOTH PARTIES BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE NOT WRONG. SURE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ISN'T A RADICAL CHANGE TO THE CULTURE AND THE WAY THAT THIS AREA HAS BEEN USED, YOU ARE GONNA LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING FOR THE BASEBALL PLAYERS. I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN'S LIVES HAVE BEEN CHANGED? BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY WON A GAME THERE. I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S ALL VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. BUT WHEN WE, WHEN, WHEN I GET YOUR PRESENTATION, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, HOW THIS IS NOT CHANGING THE CULTURAL USE. THAT IS THE ONLY USE THAT ANYBODY ALIVE, I WOULD THINK IF YOU'RE NOT 70, 80, 90 A ANY OF THE REST OF US, IT'S, IT'S ONLY EVER OPERATED ONE WAY. AND IT'S BEEN A BEAUTIFUL WAY. SO I, I'M JUST, UH, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO QUESTIONS OVER HERE WITH A COMMISSION, BUT I, I, I JUST THINK THAT YOU SHOULD REALLY WORK ON THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING IT, BECAUSE IT, YOU COME OFF AS VERY DISINGENUOUS. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN, IN AN INSULTING WAY. I'M SURE THAT YOU HAVE A, A, A, A, A REAL STRONG BELIEF IN WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING IT JUST SO, SO IS A TWIST. I'M GONNA, UM, I'M GONNA SAY, I'M GONNA LET YOU WRAP UP HERE, BUT THEN GO AHEAD AND ANSWER THAT, UM, HIS QUESTION. THEN I'M GONNA HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS GIVEN TO AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH. SO, UH, WELL, MR. RICHARD, I DON'T WANT TO, HE ANSWERED, I I DON'T WANT TO DRIVE HIM NUTS ON IT. UH, WE, I, NO, BUT I, THE, YOU'RE SAYING I'M NOT MAKING MY CASE, OR WE'RE NOT MAKING OUR CASE. I WANNA MAKE OUR CASE TO YOU. IS THAT FAIR? IT'S, IT, IT IS. OKAY. I WOULD SAY THAT THE HE COURSE KEEP IT LIMITED, BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE OTHER, OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU, YOU TALK ABOUT THE CULTURAL USE IN THIS AREA, THE CULTURAL USE IS, AND IF I MISS ONE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. CULTURAL USE IS, UH, THE LOW RIDERS YOU MENTIONED, UH, AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, UH, PICNICKING IN THE AREA, UH, UH, THROWING UP TENTS [03:40:01] DURING THE WEEK OF EASTER AND BEING ABLE TO CAMP OUT AND STUFF, UM, THAT IS NOT GONNA CHANGE. THAT IS STILL GONNA BE ALLOWED. THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL THING THAT THIS PROJECT DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO. WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING THE GREEN SPACE SO THAT EVEN MORE PEOPLE CAN COME AND USE THIS AREA DURING THE WEEK OF EASTER. UH, THAT'S APPARENT IN THE PLANS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, WE'RE TAKING OUT A TON OF ASPHALT. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE CAMP OR GO TO EASTER ON THE, THE SEA OF ASPHALT THAT'S OUT THERE. WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING A BUNCH OF NEW GREEN SPACE THAT THEY CAN USE. NOW IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND ARGUE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CIRCULAR CONCRETE PAINT UNITS, THOSE ARE EASY TO ADD IN. WE JUST FELT LIKE IN THE EFFORT OF TRYING TO IMPROVE THE ECOLOGY AND THE, THE NATURAL FEEL OF THIS AREA BY REMOVING AS MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVER AS WE COULD, WE'RE STILL GOING TO, PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO USE IT IN THE TYPICAL WAYS THAT THEY DO. SO, UM, WE CAN ADD SOME PICNIC UNITS BACK IN. UM, PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO CAMP FOR EASTER AND PICNIC OUT HERE. UM, PEOPLE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE A TURNAROUND FOR THEIR LOW RIDERS AND THEIR BIKES, AND CONTINUE TO CRUISE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE REST OF THE PARK. UM, WHAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE ECOLOGICAL PIECE, IS TO ENHANCE THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA. THESE ARE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT ARE A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED FIFTY, TWO HUNDRED FIFTY YEARS OLD, UH, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF SAN ANTONIOS DON'T EVEN KNOW ARE THERE. UM, AND WE WANT TO CELEBRATE THOSE, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCES. WE WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, NUMBER ONE, WHY, WHY THEY'RE THERE, HOW THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE GROWTH OF SAN ANTONIO DURING THOSE DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME, THE 17 HUNDREDS, THE 18 HUNDREDS, THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, AND EVEN TO TODAY. SO THAT'S, AGAIN, ONE PIECE, ONE FOCUS. WE THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, THE ECOLOGICAL PIECE, AND REMOVING AS MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVER AS WE CAN. THAT'S REALLY ANOTHER IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE PROJECT. BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE, AGAIN, THAT WE DON'T, UM, COMPLETELY REMOVE, UM, ANY USE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO HERE. WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ENHANCED THE AREA ENOUGH SO THAT THOSE TYPE OF CULTURAL, UM, TIMES WITH FAMILY CAN, CAN CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT WE SEE IN THIS PLAN. AGAIN, IF YOU DISAGREE, THAT'S FINE. WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, UH, AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THE DETAILS ON THAT SORT OF THING. BUT, UH, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PLAN. UM, WE, WE KNOW WE PUT A LOT OF HARD WORK INTO IT. UM, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT JUST ABOUT EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THIS PROJECT, AS, AS YOU CAN THINK ABOUT, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, UH, ARE AN OVERALL BENEFIT TO THIS, UH, NORTHERN SECTION OF THE PARK. UM, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR POSITION. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER? YES. UM, A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS HAVE COME OUT OF THE COMMISSION. A LOT OF, UH, WONDERFUL COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC AND ALSO VOICEMAILS. WE THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT AND, AND MAKING YOUR VOICES HEARD. UM, I THINK THAT BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY, THINGS THAT NEED TO, UH, BE, REVISIT, REVISITED ARE, UH, PICNIC SPACES, PARKING. UH, AND ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, IF THOSE THINGS WERE BEING, UH, REMOVED FROM THE CURRENT PLAN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GONNA TALK WITH PARKS ABOUT, UH, WHERE TO PUT HIM IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD THINK THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION WOULD'VE ALREADY HAPPENED, SO THAT WHEN YOU COME WITH THIS PLAN, YOU COULD HAVE PRESENTED WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO, UH, PICNIC TABLES AND PARKING TO AUGMENT WHAT YOU'RE REMOVING HERE. WE, WE ACTUALLY DID PRESENT THAT, UM, TO THE PUBLIC BACK IN, UH, 22. UH, WE DID NOT GET MUCH FEEDBACK AT ALL. UM, YOU KNOW, NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. UM, WE SHOWED, UH, PLANS TO THE PUBLIC OF WHERE THE, UH, OTHER POTENTIAL SITES FOR PICNIC UNITS AND OTHER POTENTIAL SITES FOR PARKING COULD GO. WE HAD A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE TO TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON, HEY, WHICH OPTION DO YOU THINK IS BEST? UM, THERE REALLY, LIKE I SAID, WASN'T MUCH INPUT, UH, [03:45:01] ON THOSE PIECES AT ALL. OKAY. SO FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, NOW IT'S OKAY, LET'S, YOU KNOW, GET WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN, UH, WHERE THE BEST PLACE IS OPERATIONALLY TO PUT THOSE THINGS. OKAY. UM, NOT TO, UH, BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT THE TWO CYPRESS TREES YES, SIR. THAT ARE BY THE PUMPHOUSE. THEY ARE NOT SHOWN IN DRAWING 56, WHICH SHOWS THE CULTURAL PLAZA ENCROACHING ON THAT AREA. IT'S SHOWING A NEW, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE RAMP. YES, SIR. SO IS THAT AREA IN OR OUT OF THIS PHASE TWO? THE AREA IS IN PHASE TWO. YES, SIR. SO WHERE ARE THOSE TREES? WELL, SO DO YOU HAVE 50 WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT? WHAT NUMBER? WHAT NUMBER DID YOU SAY, SIR? HE'S SHOWING IT 56. OKAY. JUST NORTH AND WEST OF THE PUMP HOUSE. WERE THE TWO HERITAGE CYRUS? YES, SIR. SO THOSE NOT SHOWN IN THIS PLAN. YEAH. ONE OF THEM IS HERITAGE, ONE OF THEM IS NOT. THE ONE BELOW CLOSER TO THE RIVER IS A HERITAGE CYPRUS. I DON'T RECALL THE DIAMETER, BUT IT'S CONSIDERED HERITAGE. UM, IT IS IMPACTING THE RIVER WALL AND THEREFORE IS IN THE, UH, UH, THE PHASE ONE PROJECT AND IS BEING REVIEWED BY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS. UH, THE ONE UP TOP IS, UH, GONNA BE IMPACTING, UH, CONSTRUCTION ON THE WING WALL. UM, BUT WHEN PHASE ONE IS CONSTRUCTED, THAT WING WALL IS PART OF PHASE ONE. SO THAT'S WHY THE TREE IS BEING REMOVED IN PHASE ONE. UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, EVERYBODY HAS ASSUMED AS WE'VE PROGRESSED, PHASE ONE'S GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE PHASE TWO. SO TO GET THE DRAWINGS RIGHT FOR PHASE TWO, THOSE, THE TREE DOWN BELOW, BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY IN PHASE ONE, IS NOT SHOWN, IT'S NOT IMPACTING ANY WORK IN PHASE TWO. AND THEN THE ONE UP TOP, UH, IF PHASE ONE IS CONSTRUCTED FIRST WILL ALREADY BE REMOVED DUE TO THE WORK HAPPENING ON THAT WING WALL. AND SO THEREFORE IT WON'T BE THERE WHEN PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION COMES IN TO BUILD THAT RAMP. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT IN THE DRAWINGS ON PHASE TWO. OKAY. UM, WELL, KNOWING THAT IT'S PART OF A, UM, LAWSUIT, I'M SURE THAT'LL BE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION WITH, UH, ALL PARTIES IN TERMS OF THE, UH, CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE TREES, WHETHER THEY'RE CONSIDERED, UH, HERITAGE BY THE SIZE OR WHETHER THEY'RE CONSIDERED HERITAGE BY THE, UH, THE, UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CONTESTING IT. SO I'M SURE THAT'LL BE MUCH MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT. UM, ARE THERE, ARE THE, ANY OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES IN PHASE TWO, SUCH AS THE STONE KIOSK OR THE, UH, THE LITTLE PUMP HOUSE OR THE, UH, RESTROOM BUILDINGS, ARE THEY SUBJECT TO THC REVIEW AS, UH, HISTORIC? YES, THEY ARE. AND ALL OF THEM, I BELIEVE, HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY RULED ON THOSE? THEY HAVE, UH, WE RECEIVED OUR, UH, APPROVED ANTIQUITIES PERMIT, I WANNA SAY BACK IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER OF 25. OKAY. SO THE THC HAS APPROVED THIS PLAN THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY. OKAY. AND, UM, AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT MIGHT COME IN THE FUTURE, UH, ANY THOUGHTS ON WHERE THIS, THE HISTORIC KIOSK IS GONNA GO? WELL, YES. SO, UM, THE HISTORIC KIOSK IS, AND I, I'VE GOT SOME DESIGN TEAM MEMBERS WHO CAN KIND OF DIVE INTO IT. UM, BUT WE, WE, THE THC TOLD US THAT WHEREVER WE PUT IT NEEDS TO BE AS, AS CLOSE TO WHERE IT IS NOW, UH, AS WE CAN. UM, JUST FOR, UM, HISTORIC INTEGRITY'S SAKE. SO, UH, THE BATHHOUSE THAT IS ADJACENT, THE LONG BATHHOUSE THAT WAS TURNED INTO A PLAY SCAPE, UM, THERE IS, UH, GONNA BE A FUTURE PROJECT THAT ADDRESSES THAT BATHHOUSE AND THE, UH, GROUNDS AROUND IT. UM, AND OUR PROPOSAL TO THE THC WAS THAT THE KIOSK WOULD BE STORED IN ITS HOLE, UM, WITHOUT BEING SELECTIVELY DEMOLISHED AT ALL. UM, OUR ENGINEERS FEEL LIKE THEY CAN MOVE IT ALL AS ONE PIECE AND WILL BE STORED UNTIL SUCH TIME AS [03:50:01] A PROJECT ON THE BATHHOUSE AND THE BATHHOUSE GROUNDS CAN BE ADDRESSED. AND THEN THE, UM, KIOSK WOULD, UH, WOULD COME BACK INTO THAT LITTLE SECTION OF THE PARK. AND THERE IS A, WAS A CULTURAL HOLDER, CULTURAL PLAZA CONSIDERED AS A LOCATION. I JUST WANNA CLARIFY IT IS IN THE PLANS. AND SO EDWARD, IF YOU HAD THAT LANDSCAPING PLAN PULLED UP, THERE IS A PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT KIOSK LOCATION? THAT WAS PART OF WHAT YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE DASHED AREA FOR, FOR WHERE THE KIOSK WOULD GO. IT'S IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THIS PAGE. OKAY. SO THE CULTURAL PLAZA, OH, THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE. SO THE CULTURAL PLAZA, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC PUMP HOUSE, WAS, WAS THAT CONSIDERED FOR A LOCATION FOR THE KIOSK? I'M SORRY, SIR, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? WAS THE CULTURAL PLAZA CONSIDERED AS A LOCATION FOR THAT KIOSK SINCE IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PUMP HOUSE? UM, NO, I DON'T RECALL US REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT. UM, WE FELT LIKE WE WANTED IT AS, UH, CLOSE TO, UM, THE, 'CAUSE IT, I THINK HISTORICALLY IT WORKED MORE WITH THE BATHHOUSE THAN IT DID WITH THE PUMP HOUSE. UM, SO WE FELT LIKE IT WAS BETTER TO GO INTO THAT BATHHOUSE FOOTPRINT. UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HAVING IT OFF OF ONE SIDE OF THE PLAZA. UH, BUT THAT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION DURING OUR, THE REST OF OUR DESIGN PROCESS. SO OKAY. CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT. UH, BUT FOR PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED AND, AND STORED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR NOW? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SO, UM, IT WAS TWO, UH, THREE COMMISSIONERS THAT I, I CUT YOU OFF AS FAR AS QUESTIONS CONCERNED. SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION. UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, UM, YOU WERE, ANY QUESTIONS? DID YOU WANT TO ADD? I'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE FOR ONE MORE QUESTION, SIR. NO, I JUST MADE A, UH, AN ANALOGY OF NOT THROWING THE, THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER. THE BABY BEING THE PEOPLE WHO USE THAT AREA NOW. YES, SIR. I AGREE WITH THE PLANS TO, TO BRING BACK THE, AS SERIA AND THE RACEWAY AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND, UH, REMEDIATE THE EARTH AND ALL THOSE, THOSE THINGS ARE ALL GREAT. BUT DON'T FORGET THE PEOPLE ARE USING THAT AREA NOW. YES, SIR. AND YOU WANT TO USE IT WHEN IT'S BEAUTIFUL AGAIN, CORRECT? YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY WANT THEM TO USE IT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE BUILDING IT. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO BUILD IT. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, THE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN EITHER MAKING A MOTION OR HAVING SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION. I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPTION AT THE BENCH WITH COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. UM, UH, FOR THE STAFF, UH, I WASN'T HERE IN 2023. WERE THOSE TWO CYPRESSES DISCUSSED IN PHASE ONE IN 2023? YES. OKAY. UM, SECOND, IF I COULD ASK THE ARBORIST A QUESTION I, THE THREE HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE MARKED FOR, UH, REMOVAL OR, UM, UH, COULD YOU, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WILLOW THAT'S GROWN INTO THE DAM AND UH, LIKE IS THAT, IS THE TREE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF, ITS BECAUSE OF THAT CONDITION, OR IS IT MORE LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DAM IS GOING TO DAMAGE THE TREE? IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. IT'S MORE REMOVAL BY, UM, CONSTRUCTION BY IMPACT, BUT THAT TREE IS IN POOR CONDITION. IT'S HAD, UM, MULTIPLE FAILURES OVER THE YEARS. UM, I I, I COULDN'T PUT A TERM OF LIFE OR HOW LONG IT'S GONNA LAST, BUT I WOULD CLASSIFY THIS ONE AS REMOVAL BY IMPACT FROM THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING. WOULD YOU ALSO SAY THE OTHER TWO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HEARD THAT THEY'RE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, REMOVALS FOR THE OTHER TWO HERITAGE TREES, UM, AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. UH, WOULD THOSE ALSO FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY OF LIKE, THE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE PLAN IS GOING TO DAMAGE THOSE TREES AS WELL? UM, ON, ON THAT LARGER, I BELIEVE IT'S THAT OAK, YES. THAT, THAT WOULD BE ONE. ALTHOUGH THAT ONE HAS SOME ISSUES BECAUSE OF ITS LEAN, UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE CANNOT MOVE. UM, WE DID EVALUATE THAT ONE. THE OTHER ONE THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DISTINGUISH THAT THIRD ONE, THAT'S A SATCH, IT'S ONLY 13 INCHES. UH, THERE WAS A MISTAKE MADE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE CODE. IT HAS NOT BECOME PROTECTED TILL IT'S 24 INCHES. SO ALTHOUGH WE'RE STILL CLASSIFYING IT AS HERITAGE PURPOSES, IT IS NOWHERE NEAR HERITAGE. BUT IT'S BEING REMOVED, I THINK, UM, DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE AND THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE JURY. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. AND, UH, LAST QUESTION IS, UM, FOR THE CITY, HOW ARE YOU WORKING WITH, UH, LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, INDIGENOUS [03:55:01] TRIBES, UH, ON TO LIKE INFORM YOUR CULTURAL EDUCATION, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFERINGS? YEAH, SO, UM, THE, ALL OF THE, UM, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE FOR THE CULTURAL RESOURCES AND THE INDIGENOUS, UH, UM, STORIES THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE INTO THIS PROJECT, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE A SEPARATE APPLICATION THAT WE WILL BRING TO YOU GUYS AT A LATER DATE. UM, THIS PROJECT FOCUSES ON THE, UM, THE, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNAGE, THE FRAMING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PHYSICAL ASPECTS OF WHAT THAT IS. UH, THE HISTORICAL AND NARRATIVE ASPECTS ARE STILL YET TO, UH, TO BE DETERMINED. SO, UM, WE WANT TO, UH, HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE GO THROUGH THAT AND, UH, INVITE THE PUBLIC TO, TO DO THAT AS WELL ALONG WITH THIS. SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET EVERYTHING CORRECT. WE ALSO HAVE, ARE GONNA BE WORKING WITH HISTORIANS WHO ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, UH, THE, UH, UM, THE CONFEDERATE AND UM, UH, COLONIAL CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA AS WELL, UH, TO GET THEIR, THEIR, UH, EXPERTISE AND THEIR, UM, THE ASPECTS OF, OF HOST CULTURAL RESOURCES TO PUT INTO OUR, UM, INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE, UH, MATERIAL. GREAT. AND THEN, UM, LAST QUESTION. UH, HOW LONG FROM THE TIME Y'ALL START PHASE TWO TO THE TIME IT'S ENDED, HOW LONG, HOW, HOW LONG HAS THAT CONSTRUCTION PERIOD? CAN YOU WELL, YEAH, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S REALLY TOUGH TO SAY. UM, WHEN WE BID THE PROJECT OUT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA ASK OF THE RESPONDENTS. UM, WE ARE GOING TO GIVE A, UM, A BALLPARK, UM, ONE YEAR OR 12 MONTH TO 18 MONTH. WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME AND THAT IT DOESN'T, UH, EXPONENTIALLY RAISE THE PRICE. UM, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO THE, THE CONTRACTOR TO BE ABLE TO LINGER TOO LONG. SO WE'RE GONNA SET KIND OF A, UM, IN THE SOLICITATION A RANGE, SO TO SPEAK. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONDENTS WHEN THEY SUBMIT, UM, IF THEY CAN GIVE US AN IDEA BASED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK, UH, AND THEIR SCHEDULE PLAN, HOW LONG THEY THINK CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE. UM, AND SO WHEN WE SCORE THOSE, UM, RESPONDENTS, UH, SUBMITTALS, UH, THEN THAT WILL, UM, UH, KIND OF INFORM HOW WE SCORE THEM. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONER SABINO, I'LL ENTERTAIN YOUR MOTION, PLEASE. UM, I'LL EXPLAIN IT ONCE I'VE MADE THE MOTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT THIS REQUEST GO TO A DRC TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS CERTAIN ITEMS TO INCLUDE THE TREES, THE RELOCATION OF THE KIOSK IN THAT GENERAL AREA, THE ROADWAY AND TRAFFIC, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, UM, PICNIC TABLES, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? PARKING, PARKING TO INCLUDE THOSE, NOT TO BE LIMITED TO THOSE, BUT TO INCLUDE THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. I WAS GONNA SECOND THAT, BUT I HAD A SUGGESTION FOR IT BEFORE SHE CLOSED IT OUT. SURE. UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO INCLUDE A SITE VISIT? THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS AND THERE'S, WE'VE HAD A FEW COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE NOT, UH, ACTUALLY BEEN OUT THERE AND WE DID THE WALK AROUND, I THINK THREE YEARS AGO. I THINK IT WAS THREE YEARS. YES, SIR. BUT AGAIN, THAT WAS SEARCH, SIR, THAT WASN'T FOR YOU, SIR. YEAH. SO IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR THE, ANOTHER, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PROJECT, THE INVESTMENT, THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO DO BOTH A SITE VISIT, AND THAT COULD BE FIRST AND THEN ALSO AT THE TABLE DRC, SO THAT YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO INTEGRATE THE COMMENTS AND THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN A WAY THAT, UM, UM, BEST BALANCES AS MANY STAKEHOLDERS AS POSSIBLE S SECOND STANCE. ALRIGHT. SECOND STANCE. SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO DISCUSSION NOW, SIR. HAVE A SEAT PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, SO BEFORE WE GET INTO, UM, THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THIS, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR AND I THINK WE ARE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE FOCUSED ON PHASE TWO. OKAY. SO ALL WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS PHASE TWO HERE. AND, UM, FROM THE TESTIMONY THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY, UM, FROM THE, UM, THE RESPONDENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, FROM OUR COMMISSION HERE, AS WELL AS OUR CASE RECORDS HERE, UM, I THINK FURTHER PUSHING THIS TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING I THINK IS NOT GONNA SERVE US WELL. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO, WE NEED TO TAKE SOME TYPE OF ACTION ON THIS TODAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN STIPULATE [04:00:01] WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE. BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING AND WHEN WE'VE PROBABLY BEEN DEALING WITH THIS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, I THINK THIS IS GONNA PUSH IT, PUSH IT OUT FURTHER. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO, PROBABLY GET TO SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION HERE. SO, UM, I'LL OPEN UP FOR, UM, CONCERNS WITH THAT. UM, YEAH, MR. CHAIR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, UM, TYPICALLY A CASE LIKE THIS WOULD COME TO FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY AS A COMMISSION. UM, AND SO, UH, I WOULD, UH, I, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS ACTIONABLE AT THIS POINT, BUT I'LL LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAK. MR. CHAIR, JUST ON THE SECOND, MR. CHAIR, I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING MA'AM. SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING. JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION, UM, ME TO TIME, TIME CERTAINTY SO WE DON'T HAVE A TIME CERTAINTY FOR THE SITE VISIT OR FOR THE DRC SITE. THE SITE VISIT FIRST SCHEDULE OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE NEXT WEEK SOMETIME, AND THEN A DESK DRC AT THE APPLICANT'S ABILITY AND CONVENIENCE. OKAY. SO I'LL START DOWN ON MY LEFT HERE. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER AVADA, UM, SO WE'RE OF COURSE FOCUSED ON THE DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION AS WELL AS COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT. SIR, GO AHEAD, SIR. I GUESS THE CONCERN'S, JUST THE, THE DELAY PROCESS, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UH, VISITS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING A COMMITTEE, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN. HOW LONG WILL THIS PROLONG THIS ENTIRE PROJECT IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I WOULD SAY THAT IF WE'RE, YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY, WE'VE, WE STARTED THIS PARTICULAR CASE AT AROUND FOUR 30. UM, IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK NOW, BETWEEN THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, BETWEEN THE APPLICANTS, BETWEEN OUR QUESTIONS AND WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT NOW WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. I, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE DO THAT AGAIN AND PUSH IT BACK, WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK INTO THE SAME SITUATION AGAIN. I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA DISCOUNT ANYONE'S COMMENTS, ANYONE'S OPINION, ANYONE'S, UM, VOICE HERE, BUT I THINK THAT AS A COMMISSION, I THINK WE'RE DOING OURSELF AND A COMMUNITY A DISSERVICE IF WE DON'T PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF ACTION, UM, MOVING FORWARD TODAY. SO, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MASUKA. WELL, IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, A DRC COULD HELP ARTICULATE WHAT A STIPULATION WOULD BE. 'CAUSE IF WE JUST MAKE A MOTION THAT SAYS WE, UH, APPROVE OF THIS, UH, PROJECT WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BEING BENCHES, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE JUST DIS DISCUSSED, I THINK THEY COULD BE FURTHER ARTICULATED THROUGH A DRC WHERE WE COME UP WITH THINGS THAT ARE ACTIONABLE BY THE CITY TO, UM, TO MAKE A MOTION. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING WEDNESDAY. SO YOU DON'T THINK THAT BY MAKING A MOTION AND THEN STIPULATING THE MOTION THAT THAT DOESN'T, UM, PROVIDE ACTION FOR THEM TO DO. UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE THE ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, SO WE'RE PROVIDING THEM STIPULATIONS ABOUT HOW WE TO MOVE FORWARD. JUST LIKE, UM, STAFF PROVIDES IN THEIR, UM, THEIR WRITE UP TO US, THEY PROVIDE THEIR RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. SO, SO WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN IT COMES, COMES TO THAT MR. CHAIR POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR? UH, I MEAN, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF THE CHAIR IS GONNA IN INVOKE THE POWER TO QUESTION EVERY COMMISSIONER DOWN THE LINE, THEN PERHAPS WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION WHERE THE COMMISSION COULD GO INTO DISCUSSION. SO I'M NOT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ACROSS THE BOARD HERE, SEPARATE OF THE COMMUNITY, SEPARATE OF STAFF. THE COMMISSION CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WELL, THE COMM THE COMMUNITY IS PART OF THIS. AND I BELIEVE THAT IF, UM, THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, SINCE WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD EVERYONE HEAR OR EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR, THEY CAN HEAR OUR DISCUSSION AS WELL. AND JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I'M NOT QUESTIONING EVERY COMMISSIONER, OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING ALONG THE WAY. SO, UM, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. CHAIR, BUT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. 'CAUSE THE MAKER OF THE MOTION OBVIOUSLY FEELS THAT WE SHOULD GO TO A DRC. SO THERE'S THE CONFLICT RIGHT THERE WHEN WE'RE IN DISCUSSION AFTER THE, UM, AFTER THE MOTION IS MADE AND IT'S BEEN PROPERLY SECOND, WE GO INTO DISCUSSION. SO I DIDN'T ASK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION [04:05:01] TO CHANGE HER MOTION, AND NOR AM I GOING TO DO THAT. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. SO, AGAIN, NOT QUESTIONING EVERY COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE DOING AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE, UM, A DECISION THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE TODAY. THANK YOU THOUGH, SIR. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? NO, IT WOULD JUST BE, IF THERE IS A MOTION THAT INCLUDES ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE'VE JUST BEEN DISCUSSING, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD APPROVE OF THAT. OTHERWISE, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A DRC. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, AS MUCH AS I HATE KICKING STUFF DOWN THE ROAD, KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND I WILL TELL THE AUDIENCE HERE THAT NO ONE THROWS MORE HOT WATER ON THIS STAFF THAN ME. I POKE 'EM IN THE EYES PUBLICLY ALL THE TIME, AND THEY'LL NOD AND SAY IT'S TRUE. I RESPECT THEM. I LOVE 'EM. THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE AND THEY'RE ALL DOING THE BEST THEY CAN. BUT IT IS, IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A BUREAUCRACY. BUT BY THE SAME NOTION, I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND LOOKED AT ONE MORE TIME IN DUE DILIGENCE. SOME OF YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE ULTIMATELY DECIDE, BUT I THINK PUTTING FORTH THE EFFORT SHOWS THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE, THAT WE CARE, AND WE ARE TAKING YOUR FEELINGS IN, IN, INTO CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? BUT YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE TREES, AND I'M NOT GONNA PICK ANY ONE OF 'EM OUT. YOU LOOK AT, THEY'RE FALLING OVER, ALL RIGHT? AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE IF A LIMB FALLS ON A KID THAT'S OUT THERE, IT'S NOT ANYBODY OUT HERE. IT'S THE CITY'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT KID. IT'S GONNA BE SU, YOU KNOW THAT KID'S GONNA SUE, PARENTS ARE GONNA SUE. THEY HAVE, THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? AND THAT'S PART OF THIS PROCESS. SO AS MUCH AS I HATE DOING, KICKING THINGS DOWN THE ROAD, I'M GONNA VOTE FOR THIS, UH, DRC AND, AND A SITE VISIT. FOR THOSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THERE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THANK YOU, SIR. COME ON, SHA. I SURE. I'M, I'M, I'M WONDERING, AND I'M HEARING, UM, I, I'M FEELING THE, THE NEED TO TAKE SOME ACTION HERE AS WELL BECAUSE I'M WONDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SORT OF DEAL. AND SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF THERE WAS SOME SUPPORT, BUT I WOULD NEED SOME HELP CONSTRUCTING THAT. SO, UM, I WOULD MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR DISCUSSION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, BUT I NEED SOME HELP HERE. SO HOW, SO HOW WOULD WE SHAKE THIS OUT? SO, UM, SO YOUR MOTION, I MEAN, IF YOU ARE GONNA MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UM, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO THERE AND THAT'S HOW WE WOULD DO IT. AND THEN, UM, IF WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT, THEN WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT AS WELL. SO, WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING STIPULATIONS IN. 'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ACTION HERE IF WE COULD. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CATEGORIZE STIPULATIONS SUCH AS PROTECT THE TREES AND PRESERVE PICNIC TABLES AND KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO. UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, I'D LIKE TO TRUST THE PROCESS AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TRUST STAFF ON THIS ONE. 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE IT, RIGHT. UM, I, I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS ON THIS, BUT, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO TAKE MOTION HERE TOO, TO, TO, OH, WOULD BE, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR RESTORATION OF THIS NORTH FIVE OR SIX ACRES WITH THE, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE INCLUSION OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF DISCUSSION TODAY. ADDITIONAL PICNIC TABLES, PARKING, UM, THE KIOSK, UH, MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED. AND I'M, AND I'M OPEN TO THAT. I'M, I'M ASKING FOR HELP ON CRAFTING THE VERBIAGE ON IT IN SOMETHING THAT'S QUANTIFIABLE AND MAYBE, AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ON THAT. SO, WELL, MR. CHAIR, UM, HOLD ON ONE SECOND, SIR. I, I'M NOT GONNA WRITE TO YOU. SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT IF, IF YOU DO WANT TO, UM, OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, VICE CHAIR FETZER, I MEAN HE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH PROVIDED MUCH OF THE LANGUAGE THERE. UM, FOR THAT, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE TO GO WITH, THEN IF HE IS WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND, AND PULL ME BACK ONLINE IF THE STRAYS HERE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ADD, UM, A ADDITIONAL PICNIC TABLES, UM, AND [04:10:03] PROTECTION OF THE TREES WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AS WELL AS I, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO ADD THERE. WELL, MR. MR. CHAIR, UM, DO, ARE YOU GONNA ADD TO THE MOTION OR DO, DO YOU WANT TO? WELL, NO, MR. CHAIR, I JUST OBJECT TO THE DISPLAY OF, UH, OF, UM, A SENSE OF URGENCY THAT OUR COMMITMENT IS TO THE CITIZENS AND, AND THAT IS TO VIGOROUS, UM, UH, USE OF, UH, THE, OUR DUE DILIGENCE. AND IF THAT TAKES ANOTHER MEETING THAT WE ONLY WANNA GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF, OF WHAT IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST SOLUTION. UH, THE CITY'S ALREADY, UH, UH, OR AT LEAST PARKS HAS ALREADY INDICATED THAT THERE WERE ASPECTS OF, OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO. AND A DRC IS, IS WITHIN PAST PRACTICE OF THIS COMMISSION. IT'S COMMON. YOU'RE LUCKY YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE ALAMO, UH, UH, PERIOD THAT WE HAD. THIS IS NORMAL. DON'T, DON'T GET SCARED OF THIS. THIS IS NORMAL AND THIS IS GOOD. SUNLIGHT IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT THEY SAY. SO, SO LET, LET'S SPEND SOME TIME WITH THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE CITY AND LET HIM GO THROUGH DRC, LIKE SO MANY OTHERS THAT HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE GOOD COUNCIL OF SOME OF THE PROFESSIONALS ON THIS COMMISSION. THE, THE SENSE OF URGENCY. I THINK MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING IS THE COMMUNITY, IF WE COME BACK, DON'T COME IN 80 PEOPLE AND MAKE US SIT HERE FOR TWO, TWO YEARS. SO, UM, I JUST WANNA BE, JUST BE ME FAVOR, JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SCARED. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WE'RE RUSHING. I JUST WANNA MAKE A SENSE OF RUSHING. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT RUSH. WE'VE BEEN THERE ALMOST THREE HOURS. WE'RE NOT RUSHING ANYTHING. THAT'S, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION, SO WE'RE NOT RUSHING ANYTHING. SO, SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE EVERY, UM, COMMISSIONER THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WE ALL CAN, UM, AGREE TO VOTE ON, THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THAT. IF IT NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, MR. CHAIR, BUT I OBJECT TO THE NEGOTIATION. YOU ONE, SIR. BUT SEE, THE THING IS RIGHT, IT DOESN'T MATTER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING ON IS THAT ONCE WE, UM, HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, ONCE WE VOTE, YOU CAN VOTE YAY OR NAY UP OR DOWN, AND THEN THAT'S HOW WE GO FORWARD. I, I JUST QUESTIONED THE APPROPRIATENESS OF NEGOTIATING THE LANGUAGE OF EMOTION. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE. BUT I, BUT IT, IT MAY BE TOTALLY FINE WITH THE RULES OF THE ETHICAL RULES. I, I'M, I'M NOT MAKING ANY ACCUSATION, IT'S JUST, TO ME, IT DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. YOUR OBJECTION. POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY WE CONTINUE WITH COMMENTS BASED ON THE MOTION ON THE TABLE? ABSOLUTELY, YEAH. WITH WITHDRAWAL THAT'S ON YOU NOW. I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN THE MOTION, THE REASON FOR THE MOTION WHEN I MADE THE MOTION. SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A INCREDIBLY LARGE PROJECT. I REALLY WISH THE CITY HAD BROUGHT IT TO US FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FIRST, SO THAT WE COULD MAKE THESE INCREMENTAL COMMENTS ON, ON MOVES. BUT THAT WAS YOUR CHOICE TO BRING IT TO US FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THE PACKAGE I'M LOOKING AT IS 232 PAGES. FRANKLY, I WOULD LOVE TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH IT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE MOVES THAT YOU HAVE MADE AND THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS. I AIN'T GOT THAT KIND OF TIME, NOT IN FOUR DAYS, THREE, FOUR DAYS. I REALLY DON'T. I'M GONNA GET PERSONAL. TODAY IS MY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY. I'M DEDICATING MY TIME TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITY FOR A PROJECT THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS MOVING FORWARD. UM, I STAND BY A DRC SECOND STANCE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. UM, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS, UH, ISSUE TODAY. UH, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S PLANNING AND, UH, THE, THE INFORMATION HERE. UH, BUT I ALSO, UH, HAVE, UH, CONCERNS WITH, UH, A LOT OF WHAT WAS, UH, BROUGHT UP TODAY. UM, AND SO, UM, I'M GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF A DRC. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER MADMAN. I, I THINK A DRC IS FINE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MOVE PICNIC TABLES IS ENOUGH, OR HOW MANY PARKING SPOT REPLACEMENTS OR IN THE RIGHT SPOT IS ENOUGH. SO I FEEL LIKE WE WILL BE BACK IN THE SAME SPOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT AGAINST WHATEVER WE COME BACK WITH. UM, I, TO COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT BRINGING THE, BRINGING THE EXISTING USE OF THE SPACE INTO THE NEW SPACE. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HAPPENED IN THE BEST WAY. UM, I GET WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO, MAKE IT, AND MAKE IT MORE ECOLOGICAL AND, AND GATHERING PLACES AND ALL THAT. IT ALL MAKES SENSE, BUT IT WAS DONE WITHOUT [04:15:02] RESPECTING WHAT'S ALREADY THE USE OF THE SPACE TOO, AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE IT FELL SHORT AND WHY WE HAVE TODAY, AND ALL THE COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT ARE GOING ON, I THINK A DRC IS, IS THE BEST WAY TO TRY TO MITIGATE AGAINST THIS. BUT I THINK WE ALSO HIT THE SAME WALL. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER LASKI, I, I ONLY HAVE, I HAVE TWO THINGS, MR. CHAIR. THE FIRST IS THAT I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IF, IF, IF THE CITY HAS A CRITERIA, BEGINS WITH A CRITERIA THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT, UH, GOOD SOLUTION WITH THAT GIVEN CRITERIA. UH, SO IT JUST SEEMS THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MAYBE HAVE BEEN TAKEN FOR GRANTED THAT THAT, THAT MAYBE AREN'T THE MOST PROMINENT THINGS. BUT FOR THOSE PEOPLE, AND I WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE MYSELF IN THERE, I DON'T SEE HOW, UM, THERE'S BEEN A PRIORITY, PRIORITY TO SATISFY THE CRITERIA OF THE ACTUAL, UH, USER OF THE PARK. MAYBE A GOOD VISION FOR THE FUTURE, BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT THERE'S NO WAY TO ASK THEM 'CAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST YET. SECONDLY, I JUST WANT TO, UH, SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE TERM, UH, CONFEDERATE AND COLONIAL IS VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS THE BIRTHPLACE OF A PEOPLE BEFORE THERE WERE A PEOPLE. SO ALL OF THE MYTHS AND THAT WE GO TO THE HEMISPHERE AND THE LOOSELY USE THE WORD YANA. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE THAT'S NOT A MARKETING TERM. THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE REAL WORD. SO, YOU KNOW, THE SOPHISTICATED CAPABILITIES OF DESIGN TODAY ARE, ARE WILL NO WAY BE BETTER THAN THE WAY THAT IT IS JUST USED NATURALLY BY THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN USING IT, THAT WAS GIFTED IN, IN THE DUMB WAY THAT WE'VE USED IT. IT'S A PARK BENCH, IT'S A PLACE TO KICK A BALL OR, UH, AS A PLACE TO DRIVE YOUR CAR. IT'S UNIQUE. AND I IMAGINE THAT IF YOU COMPARED IT TO ANY PLACE IN AMERICA, JUST THE WAY THAT IT'S USED, IT WOULD BE SEEN AS A WONDERFUL PLACE. SO THERE'S A, THERE, THERE'S A, I THINK A, A CHALLENGE TO THE DESIGNERS TO TAKE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, TO TAKE THE, THE, UH, THE UNIQUENESS OF THE ECOSYSTEM RESTORATIONS THAT YOU, THAT YOU, THAT YOU HAVE THE AMBITIONS TO DO. BUT TO REMEMBER THAT THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE, THEIR, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REAL AS WELL. THEY'RE JUST LIKE THE BIRDS. UH, THEY'RE JUST AS IMPORTANT AND THEY DRIVE CARS. UH, SO PERHAPS IT ISN'T WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE. PERHAPS IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND THAT MAYBE WE'RE MISSING THE WHAT THE, THE, THE TREES FOR THE FOREST, RIGHT? SO, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER PEOR. YES. UM, AGAIN, I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING AND, AND, UH, VOICING YOUR CONCERNS AND OPINIONS AND, AND MEMORIES. UM, I ALSO THANK THE CITY STAFF FOR THEIR EFFORTS AND THE DESIGNERS AND TRYING TO MAKE THIS A MORE ECOLOGICALLY, UH, IMPROVED SITE. UH, BUT I THINK LIKE WHAT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, WHAT'S MISSING IS THE, UM, THE ELEMENT OF THE PEOPLE AND HOW IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED IN THIS AREA. AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE DRC TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON SITE AND FURTHER IN DEPTH DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF HOW TO INCORPORATE, UH, THOSE ISSUES INTO A PLAN THAT, UH, NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO GET WHAT THEY WANT. NOT EVERYONE'S GONNA BE HAPPY, BUT, UH, I THINK CLOSER TO WHAT, UH, THE CITY, UH, DESERVES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR THAT. SURE. UM, BEFORE WE GO TAKE A VOTE, I JUST WANT TO, UM, JUST ADD A FEW MORE COMMENTS IN HERE. UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE HERE, EVERYONE WHO HAD COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE THE CITY STAFF, EVERYONE HERE, UM, ESPECIALLY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN IN ORDER TO PRESERVE, UM, HISTORY, UM, HERE IN, IN SAN ANTONIO. AND IT'S, UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AT TIMES UP HERE, AND IT'S OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT PART OF THE, UM, DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IS. AND SO HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT HERE, UM, I STILL, YOU KNOW, BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THERE AND I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A WAITING IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE, BUT, UM, THAT'S NEITHER HERE OR THERE. WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE A VOTE AND THEN THE VOTE'S GONNA GO THE WAY IT GOES, AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL ABIDE BY THAT. BUT, UM, I, UM, APPRECIATE [04:20:01] EVERYONE'S PATIENCE TODAY. LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS A LONG CASE AND WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE TO DO TODAY. SO THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME. AND YOU MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MAMON. AYE. SAVINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS NAY. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 17, PLEASE? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SE 17, EXCUSE ME. HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 4 3 1 53, AND 1 55 EAST CROCKETT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 1253 AND 1255 EAST CROCKETT LOCATED WITHIN THE, WITH YOU. LEMME STOP YOU FOR A SECOND. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. CAN Y'ALL TAKE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN THE HALLWAY PLEASE? THANK YOU. LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE, THAT BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING SHOULD FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE WITH BATTENS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF INCH WIDE. COMPOSITE SIDING MAY BE USED, HOWEVER, IT SHOULD NOT FEATURE A FO WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE IS NOTED IN FINDING J TWO, THAT WINDOW MATERIALS ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE ADOPTED WINDOW POLICY IS NOTED IN FINDING K UH, WINDOW SPECS NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL, UM, THAT ALL FENESTRATION SHOULD BE DESIGNED IN A MANNER THAT FEATURES TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND DIMENSIONS. CURRENTLY, WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND REAR FEATURE WIDTHS THAT ARE IN UNPROPORTIONATE TO THEIR HEIGHTS, THEIR WIDTH SHOULD BE REDUCED. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF FINDS THAT A WINDOW SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE RIGHT OF THE BALCONY ON THE FRONT FACADE. I CAN DRAW THAT ON HERE IN A MINUTE IF I NEED TO. AND THEN THERE'S A STIPULATION THAT MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED. UM, THERE'S A CASE COMMENT, VARIOUS SITE ELEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. IF YOU GO UP TO THE FINDINGS OF FACT, WE HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY AND LANDSCAPING DOCUMENTS. THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT THAT DIRECTLY TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS REQUIRED. THAT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE FOR OHP, UH, THE APPLICANT, RICARDO MCCULLOUGH IS HERE. UH, PLEASE NOTE THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS. I ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL THAT I CAN PLAY. OKAY, SIR. SO I'M RICARDO MCCULLOUGH, THE PROJECT DESIGNER. AND EVERYTHING HE JUST SAID IS, IS A YES. WE ACTUALLY, UH, WE ALREADY ADDED ALL THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, TO THE, TO THE PLANS. SO YOU'RE STATING THAT YOU, UM, AGREE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES, SIR. FOR THE CASE. ALRIGHT. YEAH, IT WAS, WE, WE CHANGED, WE ADDED WINDOWS. WE CHANGED THE, THE SHAPE OF SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT WERE, WINDOWS THAT WERE SQUARE. WE MADE 'EM MORE RECTANGULAR, UH, CHANGED THE NOTE ABOUT THE, THE ABOR AND BATTEN. UM, AND OF COURSE THEN WE, WE STILL HAVE TO SHOW HOW WE ARE GONNA, UH, HIDE THE, THE AC UNITS FROM SEA PLANTING MATERIAL. AND THE, THE DRIVE DOOR CHAIR. I HAVE A MOTION, UM, CAN PLAY THE VOICEMAIL. OKAY, SIR, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. OKAY. HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON 12 53 12 55 EAST CROCKETT H, CASE NUMBER 20 25 3 43. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. FIVE OF THE SEVEN OR 71% OF THE STIPULATIONS CALLED OUT WHEN THIS APPLICANT WAS GIVEN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL HAVE NOT BEEN MET, WHICH IS WHY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED TO THIS APPLICANT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL ANTSY TO MOVE ON, BUT I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'VE MET THE STIPULATIONS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THESE DRAWINGS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN ARE WHAT YOU FIND TO MEET THE STIPULATIONS? 'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT. Y YEAH, I ACTUALLY, LAST WEEK I EMAILED EDWARD, UH, THE, THE, THE FINAL PLANS. WE, THOSE THE STIPULATIONS ALREADY DONE. SO THAT'S NEWS TO ME. I I DON'T HAVE THOSE, BUT IF YOU CAN EMAIL 'EM TOMORROW, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND STIPULATION THREE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE FENESTRATION PATTERN IN PARTICULAR, ADDING THE WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? YEAH. YES. OKAY. OKAY. YES. AND ACTUALLY IT'S GONNA BE A BLACKENED WINDOW BECAUSE THE, THE LOCATION OF IT, I HAVE, UH, IT IS A SIDE OF A CLOSET AND THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE [04:25:01] IT, TO MAKE IT WORK AS A ONE PARTICULAR WINDOW. UH, BUT YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE THERE. AND JUST SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE GONNA BE MET. I MEAN, WE SAY STAFF STIPULATIONS, THAT'S, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE SO THAT WE WEREN'T IN AN ARGUMENT LATER ON AS THE OUTCOME OF THIS HEARING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. YEP. WHAT'S ON THE TEXT RIGHT THERE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, UM, UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER MAZUA. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. NO QUESTIONS, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO QUESTIONS. THANKS. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MAZUA. COMMISSIONER VAZQUEZ MO MOTION? UH, WELL, HE IS, HE HE IS, HE'S LAST. SO I, UM, VICE SHERIFF FETZER. YES. UH, TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS, UM, IN THE FINDINGS, THERE WERE SEVERAL STIPULATIONS AND IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE LETTER THAT, UH, SEVERAL OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL STIPULATIONS HAD NOT BEEN MET. HAVE THOSE BEEN MET IN YOUR LATEST DRAWINGS? YES, SIR. I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THAT MESSAGE WAS, BUT IT, EVERY SINGLE STIPULATION AND, AND RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN METS AT THIS POINT. THE, THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN ARE THE ONLY DOCUMENTS THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED. OKAY. UH, AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, YEAH, THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING, THAT FRONT PORCH, THE BALCONY OVER, IT STILL IS CANTILEVERED. HOWEVER, THERE'S A RENDERING THAT SHOWS IT WITH COLUMNS SUPPORTING THE, UH, BALCONY. UH, WHICH IS THE CORRECT YEAH, IT'S GOT THE COLUMNS AND IT CANTILEVER. IT'S BOTH AT THE BEGINNING MY PROPOSAL WAS TO, TO JUST HAVE A CANTILEVER SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE CONTEMPORARY. BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE, THE, THE FIRST STIPULATIONS THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE COLUMNS ON. ON. SO YOUR, THE DESIGN OF YOUR LATEST DRAWINGS, SHOW COLUMNS SUPPORTING THAT? YES, SIR. BALCONY. OKAY. SIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU, YOU SUBMITTED IT TO STAFF, STAFF DOESN'T HAVE IT. UM, YOU'RE STATING THAT YOU MET ALL THE STIPULATIONS, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING TO BACK THAT UP. SO ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT NOT ONLY YOU SUBMITTED IT VIA EMAIL. EDWARD RESPONDED SAYING THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHEN HE SAID, WHEN HE SENT ME THE LETTER SAYING THAT I WAS ALREADY ON THE, ON THE AGENDA AND THEY, THEY WERE PROPOSING FOR APPROVAL. THOSE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE UPLOADED HERE. OKAY. STAFF IS NOTED IN THE FINDINGS. IT'S FINDING B, THAT THESE DOCUMENTS HAVE NOT MET THE STIPULATIONS OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. SO SIR, THEN STAFF SENT AN EMAIL. YEP. LAST WEEK. THEN THAT WAS WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE NOTED HERE IN THE RECOMMENDATION. THOSE ARE THE STIPULATIONS OF APPROVAL. IF YOU CAN MEET THESE, WHICH ARE GENERALLY THE SAME FROM CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, YOU COULD SUBMIT UPDATED DOCUMENTS TO STAFF. OKAY. SO I YOU'LL GET 'EM THE FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED? PROBABLY, I, I SEND THE WRONG FILE. OKAY. SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE GONNA SUBMIT TOMORROW OKAY. IS GOING TO MEET ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS LAID OUT BECAUSE YES, SIR. AND BECAUSE THAT'S A WE'RE MOVING ON. YEAH. AND IF IT DOES NOT, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM. YEAH. OKAY. NO. ALRIGHT. LIKE I SAID, I ALREADY DID 'EM, I DID 'EM LAST WEEK. MM-HMM. BUT I JUST SENT THE WRONG FILE. BUT TOMORROW MORNING THAT'LL BE THE FIRST THING THAT I'M GONNA DO. THANK YOU. SO, QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO ED AND COREY, Y'ALL, Y'ALL GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES. SO REQUEST TO APPROVE WITH ALL WRITTEN STAFF STIPULATIONS TO INCLUDE PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS, CONCEPTUAL STIPULATIONS THAT HAVE YET TO BE PRESENTED. YOU, YOU COULD JUST NOTE WITH THE FOUR STIPULATIONS HERE IN THE INCLUSION OF SUBMITTING AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES LANDSCAPING TO MEET STAFF STANDARDS AND DRIVEWAYS THE DRIVEWAY TO MEET THE GUIDELINES. OKAY. ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS NO MATTER WHAT PICTURE YOU SEE HERE, IF IT'S NOT UPDATED, IT'S NOT GONNA BE APPROVED. YEP. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. STAFF. SECOND. ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED. I PROPERLY SECOND. UM, DISCUSSION. UM, ANYTHING FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER, ER? NO DISCUSSIONS COMMISSIONER OR NOTHING AZUA? NO. JUST, JUST A QUESTION. THAT CANTILEVERED PORCH ON TOP, THE, THE, UH, IT IS CANTILEVER AND YOU ADDED A COLUMN, BUT THE COLUMN DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PORCH. IS THAT, IS THAT SO IS THAT YES, IT DOES. IT'S, IT'S ONLY CAN DELIVER FOR 12 INCHES. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT THAT'S STICKING OUT. OKAY. [04:30:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ES? NO, THAT'S IT. JUST, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE RIGHT ACCORDING TO STAFF. YEAH. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER, HOLLER. NO. UM, COMMISSIONER GALLWAY. COMMISSIONER MAYON. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. SIR, JUST, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I PREFERRED CANTILEVER, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE RE RATIONALE BEHIND. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR ZER. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I MEAN, I'M NOT A MOTION. CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. UM, ITEM NUMBER 18, PLEASE. OKAY, LET'S DO THIS. UM, ITEM NUMBER 18 ON THE HDRC AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 3 5 3 5 2 5, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, NUMBER ONE, REPLACE ALL HISTORIC WOOD WINDOW SCREENS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH METAL WINDOW SCREENS. AND NUMBER TWO, CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 720 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED CARPORT FEATURING ALL METAL CONSTRUCTION IN A CORRUGATED METAL ROOF AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THREE THROUGH D. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RE-INSTALL WOOD WINDOW SCREENS MATCHING THE PREVIOUS DESIGN BASED ON FINDING D STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDING G. IF THE HDRC APPROVES THE CARPORT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED. ONE THAT THE CARPORT FEATURES ALL WOOD CONSTRUCTION WITH FOUR BY FOUR OR SIX BY SIX WOOD COLUMNS AND STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD INSTALL A STANDING SAME METAL ROOF THAT FEATURES PANELS THAT MATCH THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR METAL ROOF INSTALLATION. AND THEN THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF NECESSARY. WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ONE, UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL IMAGES IN YOUR LATE FOLDER. THANK YOU. UM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, SIR AND PRESENT YOUR CASE. YES, UH, BENJAMIN ONCO AND I'M THE OWNER OF 5 2 5 MISSION STREET. GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, YES. OKAY. I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO THE VOICEMAIL, BUT NO, THAT COMES AFTERWARDS. GO AHEAD. THANKS. UH, COURTNEY, RIGHT? KAITLYN? KAITLYN? YES. UH, ADRIAN TOOK OFF, UM, I, UM, SPOKE TO UH, ADRIAN EARLIER AND, AND, AND THE CONVERSATION CAME UP WITH, UH, FIRST THE CARPORT. I TOLD HIM I JUST WENT AND DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND SAW WHAT WAS THERE. SO I SAID, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHY YOU'RE REQUESTING SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE. AND, AND THAT WAS IT. I SAID, IT'S GONNA BE NEW, IT'S GONNA BE SOLID, IT'S GONNA BE BUILT BY SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE MATERIAL, I MEAN STEEL WITH, SO THAT WAS THAT WITH THE CARPORT. AND, AND SAME WITH THE WINDOW SCREENS. UM, SA SAME IDEA. AND I, I SENT SOME PICTURES AS WELL OF, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE WAS A COUPLE PROPERTIES THAT HAD THAT. SO I KNOW IT'S LATE. I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND ARGUE AND I JUST, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ARE HERE. I JUST, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WAS NOT OKAY. SO, UM, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TIME. SO I MEAN YOU CAN PRESENT YOUR CASE. I MEAN WHERE, NO, THAT, THAT WAS IT. THERE'S NOTHING. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT. I JUST DIDN'T, SO, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. UM, CAN I HAVE A VOICEMAIL PLEASE? THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION REGARDING 5 2 5 MISSION CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 3 53. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION REVIEWS THE APPLICATION OHP STAFF FINDINGS AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. WE CONCUR WITH STAFF FINDINGS FOR ITEM ONE AND DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ADDITIONALLY, THE WOOD WINDOW SCREENS SHOULD BE REINSTALLED REGARDING ITEM NUMBER TWO. WE ALSO CONCUR WITH STAFF FINDINGS AND DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL UNLESS STIPULATIONS FOR WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND AN APPROPRIATE METAL ROOF R MET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? UM, SO COMMISSIONER GIVA, UH, NO QUESTION SINCE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER MAZUA? YES. DO YOU STILL HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION THE WOOD SCREENS? NO. THEY WERE YOU, 90% OF 'EM YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH. UM, THEY, THEY WERE FALLING APART AND THEY WERE FULL OF WATER. THEY WERE ALL, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST YOU COULDN'T SAVE THEM. AND THAT GOOD THING YOU BROUGHT IT UP, THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION BACK IN OCTOBER, [04:35:01] SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER THAT I CALLED THE KINGS WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THAT WAS THE PLAN. I'D LIKE TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS. AND THEN ONCE SHE MENTIONED ABOUT WELL WE NEED INDIVIDUAL PHOTOS TO SHOW THAT IT, I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S FINE. WE'RE JUST GONNA KEEP 'EM AND, AND WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE. AND, AND, AND I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE SCREEN, SO I, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THOSE, THOSE WERE NOT, YOU COULDN'T SALVAGE THOSE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, AND, UM, DID YOU PRICE HAVING THOSE REPRODUCED IN WOOD VERSUS THE SCREENS? I MEAN YOU SO I, I ACTUALLY MET, UH, WITH MY, UH, THE GUY THAT HELPED ME BUILD THEM SCREEN, THE SCREEN GUY, HE LIVES IN THE AREA AND, UH, HE HELPED ME FIX ONE OF THE, UH, THE, THE DOORS ON THE BACK OF THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. AND, AND HE'S LIKE, MAN, MAJORITY OF THESE ARE METAL FRAME. SO I AM NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE THINKING NOW. I DON'T KNOW, JUST TO PROPOSE IF, IF, IF I DO SOME WOOD FINISH ON TOP OF THE SCREENS, IS THAT GONNA BE OKAY? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TAKE 'EM OFF. BUT IF I THROW WOOD AND, AND A NICE WOOD FINISH, JUST, IT WOULD HAVE THE SAME FACADE, THE SAME COLOR. IS THAT JUST SO I DON'T, THERE THERE, THERE'S SOLAR SCREENS, NEW SCREENS. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA PROTECT THE RESIDENTS THERE. IT'S GONNA LOOK GREAT FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S GONNA BE GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. WELL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, UH, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK GREAT 'CAUSE THEY'RE NEW SCREENS, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE METAL SCREENS AND THEY WON'T HAVE THAT CHARM OF THE, THE OLD SCREENS LOOK PRETTY NICE. UM, THE NEW ONES, THE OLD ONES OH LOOK PRETTY NICE FROM, FROM THE OUTSIDE WITHOUT INSPECTING THEM WITHOUT SEEING ALL THE YEAH, NO, YOU GET CLOSE. THERE WAS A LOT OF 'EM THAT, YEAH, IT HAD WATER IN THEM AND IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T MAINTAINED. IT WASN'T TOUCHED THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER. I, I, YEAH, I GUESS YOU JUST COULDN'T GET AROUND TO IT, SO, OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH. SO WHY DO YOU WANT THE, YOU WANT THE METAL UH, ROOF. YOU WANT THE METAL COLUMNS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? FOR THE CARPORT? FOR THE CARPORT RATHER? YES. YES, YES. SO I'M JUST THINKING DURABILITY AND, AND PRACTICAL. UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA LAST. I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE IN A CITY, IT'S, IT'S WINDY, RIGHT? WE GET, WE GET BEAT UP WITH THE SUN, WITH THE HEAT, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HAIL AND, AND I'M THINKING THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE TO WHAT ABOUT WOOD CLAD ON THE WOOD CLAD CLA BASICALLY ON THE, ON THE POLES. OH, OH, SO THE POSTS TO BE CODE IT WITH WOOD, WOOD CLAD. YEAH, YEAH. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND. JUST FOR, WELL IT'S FOR DESIGN. I DIDN'T PROPOSE EARLIER I WAS TALKING WITH ADRIAN, I SAID, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT IF, EXCUSE ME, WHAT IF THE POSTS WOULD BE, UH, UH, LIKE SOME TIMBERWOOD OR CEDAR OR SOMETHING STRONG AND THEN, AND THEN THE ROOF, THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IS METAL, RIGHT? IT LOOKS, BUT THEN DURABILITY SAKE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL ROOF LIKE FOUR BY SIX STEEL. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING WOOD CLAD ON, ON, ON THE POLES. CAN YOU DO WOOD CLAD? AND BASICALLY IT'S A THIN SHEET OF WOOD ALL THE WAY. OH. SO JUST WRAP IT WITH WOOD CLAD WRAP WITH WOOD. YEAH, WOOD CLAD IT. I MEAN IT'S STILL METAL UNDERNEATH IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO. OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAMAN, THERE'S NO CARPORT ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO CARPORT. NO, IT'S JUST OPEN. AND THE, YOU PROVIDED A PICTURE OF A NEIGHBOR THAT HAD METAL THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. VICE SHERIFF ZER. YES. UM, WELL IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE HISTORIC WOOD SCREENS NO LONGER EXIST OR YOU DON'T HAVE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES TO THE HOUSE. UH, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE UPPER HALF HAS THE DIVIDED, UH, IF YOU CAN SHOW PHOTO 16, SO THE, THE METAL SCREENS THAT ARE ON THERE NOW ARE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WERE THERE HISTORICALLY. YEAH. SO THOSE, THAT WAS NOT, WHEN WAS THAT PICTURE TAKEN? 'CAUSE WAS THAT A METAL, IS THAT A METAL SCREEN ON THE BOTTOM? IT'S A METAL, UH, SECURITY GRILL OVER THE WOOD SCREEN. YEAH. DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I DON'T WHAT THE DATE OF THESE PHOTOS WAS. [04:40:01] I, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT I KNOW THE, THE TOP ONE DID HAVE THE SCREENS, BUT NOT, I DON'T REMEMBER THE WOOD CLAT. SO, OKAY, SO LOOKING AT THE, THE SCREEN, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARES? YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND IT, FROM THE PHOTOS THAT WE WERE SHOWN, IT SEEMED LIKE ALL OF, OR MOSTLY ALL OF THE WINDOWS UP STAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS HAD THIS STYLE OF WOOD SCREEN AND CHANGING IT TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW, WHICH IS A SIMPLE, UH, WOOD SCREEN. I MEAN, UH, ALUMINUM SCREEN, UH, REALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. SO, YEAH, GO AHEAD SIR. UM, PUTTING SOME SORT OF WOOD CLADDING OVER THE, THE ALUMINUM SCREENS. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS SAME, UH, APPEARANCE. NO, I MEAN WITH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT THE, THE OPINION, BUT EVEN FROM THE PICTURE, THERE WAS PROBABLY MAYBE A DOZEN SCREENS IN THE BACKYARD JUST THROWN ON THE FLOOR, SO THEY JUST FELL OFF. SO OVER TIME THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE NOT TOUCHED FOR YEARS. WELL, AGAIN, ALL WE HAVE IS THE, THE PHOTOS THAT WE WERE IN THE, THE PACKET HERE COR CORRECT? CORRECT. SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY INTENT. I MEAN, I, I LOVE THAT OLD HISTORIC PART. I GREW UP IN OREGON AND A LOT OF OLDER PROPERTIES THAT THAT WAS NOT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THE VALUES ARE WHERE THEY'RE AT FOR KINGS WILLIAMS. SO DID YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR OTHER WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE HOUSE? I REACHED OUT TO THE, YES, YES. UM, A COA WAS ISSUED AND I THINK IT'S IN OUR, UM, CASE FILE HERE FOR THE, UH, BRICK BASES THERE AT THE COLUMNS IN ADDITION TO HERE WE GO, UH, BASICALLY RE REPAINTING OF ANY WOODEN ELEMENTS. OKAY. SO REPLACING THE SCREENS, YOU WERE NOT AWARE THAT YOU NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL AGAIN BEFORE YOU DID THAT? I WAS NOT, NO. WHEN I SPOKE WITH, UM, THE KINGS WILLIAMS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHEN I CALLED, SHE MENTIONED ABOUT THE WINDOWS. I SAID, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE SCREENS, BUT IT, I MEAN, ONCE OUR CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT THE WINDOW. SO I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO YOU JUST MADE A COMMENT A COUPLE MOMENTS AGO ABOUT YOU ARE YOU, YOU LOVE HISTORIC 'CAUSE YOU CAME FROM OREGON AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE. OKAY. SO, UM, I'M SURE YOU HAVE THE CASE AND YOU'VE READ IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OR READ THIS INTO THE RECORD SO IT COULD BE CLEAR. SO ON NOVEMBER 19TH, OHP RECEIVED A REPORT OF EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE BRICK FRONT ENTRANCE. A SECOND REPORT WAS MADE ON DECEMBER 4TH REGARDING WINDOW SCREEN REPLACEMENTS. OHP UM, CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON THE 24TH OF NOVEMBER TO INVESTIGATE THE FIRST REPORT. AND AGAIN, ON DECEMBER 5TH, UM, TO INVESTIGATE THE SECOND REPORT, IN ADDITION TO THE REPORTED MODIFICATION, STAFF FOUND THE EXTERIOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAD ALSO BEEN REPAINTED. UM, THE HOMEOWNER THEN REACHED OUT TO OHP STAFF ON 14, UM, DECEMBER. AND THE COA WAS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO STAFF ON THE 15TH OF DECEMBER. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THAT YOU WERE, THIS WORK HERE WAS BEING DONE. OKAY. SO DID YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, I WANNA GET THESE METAL SCREENS SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, MADE SURE THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT AVAILABLE? BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU DID ALL THIS OTHER WORK HERE, SO, SO CURIOUS AS TO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SCREENS, BECAUSE I MEAN, CLEARLY YOU WANNA DO THE METAL SCREENS. SO IF, IF YOU LOVE HISTORIC SO MUCH, WHY NOT REPLACE THEM IN KIND, IN KIND? WHY NOT PROBABLY REPLACE 'EM. SO, SO THAT WAS THE PLAN. THAT WAS WHEN I, WHEN I REACHED OUT, LIKE THERE WAS NO INTENT OF ME AVOIDING ONCE THE NOTICE CAME OUT, LIKE, I CALLED RIGHT. HEY GUYS, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND I EVEN ASKED THEM ABOUT CERTAIN, I, I COULDN'T PAINT, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T PAINT UNLESS THERE WAS SOME REPLACEMENTS OR I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS ROTTEN, RIGHT? SO THAT, OKAY, JUST MAKE SURE IT'S THE SAME OR, OR SIMILAR TO KEEP THE FACADE. SO WHEN I LOOKED INTO THE, THE WOOD TO PUT ON TOP, I MEAN, I, I TALKED TO THE SCREEN GUY AND, AND I, AND I STILL MENTIONED, OKAY, HOW DO WE MAKE THESE THINGS? 'CAUSE EVEN AS, I MEAN, DON'T GET ME WRONG, PICTURES, PICTURES CAN BE DECEIVING. I, I'M, I'M THE FIRST ONE [04:45:01] THAT KNOWS THAT. BUT THOSE WERE NOT STRAIGHT. RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN AND TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT UP LIKE IT, IT, IT WOULDN'T, THE WOOD BENDS. IT WAS DRY. IT WAS ROTTEN. SO, RIGHT, BUT SEE, HERE'S THE ISSUE THOUGH, SIR. SO YOU, YOU, YOU'RE LIVING IN A HISTORIC AREA, IN A HISTORIC HOME, BUT YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON THE HISTORIC HOME, UM, NOT, UM, ABIDING BY WHAT THE GUIDELINES STATE AND THEN COME TO US AND ARE ASKING US TO, UM, GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO CHANGE TO SOMETHING THAT'S, IS NOT CHARACTER DEFINING TO THE PACIFIC HOME, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAY. BUT, BUT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF SHOWING US ANYTHING. DOES, I MEAN, HOW, HOW IS THAT, HOW WOULD THAT LOOK IF YOU WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER HERE? I MEAN, I'M, I UNDERSTAND IT, IT, IT'S, AND I'M NOT WANTING TO, YOU KNOW, RAISE ANY FRUSTRATION OR ANYTHING. I, I JUST SAW THAT THERE WAS OTHER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO AS I SPOKE TO ADRIAN AND THE TEAM, I, I SAID, OKAY, SO HOW IS IT OKAY FOR THEM? AND IT'S NOT, SO, I MEAN, I, IF I PROPOSE TO ADD THE WOOD ON THESE SCREENS, I MEAN, IS THAT, I I I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OKAY IF, IF THE TEAM IS OKAY OR IF THE COMMISSION IS OKAY AND IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A WOOD FACADE. IT WOULD LOOK THE SAME AS THE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ANSWER, SIR? UH, JUST TO GET US TO A CONCLUSION HERE, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR, UH, DENIAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON STAFF'S, UH, FINDINGS. UM, AND THEN I'LL HAVE SOME COMMENTS. THANK YOU, SIR. SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED THAN PROBABLY SECOND. GO AHEAD SIR. YES. UM, I THINK TO GET PAST THIS BACK AND FORTH, UH, WHICH IS WHY I PUT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL, UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR APPEAL TO, TO OVER OVERRULE OUR DECISION OR TO COME BACK WITH A, UH, PROPOSED ALTERNATE. AND MAYBE THAT IS DOING A MOCKUP OF THIS WOOD SCREEN, WOOD TRIM OVER YOUR ALUMINUM SCREEN. UM, BUT THAT GIVES YOU THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? UH, NO, NO FURTHER. COMMISSIONER MASUKA. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH. ALSO CONSIDER SOME IDEAS FOR GETTING TO WHERE THE WOOD, IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE WOOD ON THAT CARPORT, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN I JUST GAVE YOU AN IDEA, BUT I MEAN THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONNA FLY WITH THAT, UH, WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT IT, BUT THIS IS WHERE DRAWINGS COME INTO EFFECT. THIS IS WHERE WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD. YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF MOCKUP ON THERE, SOME SORT OF DRAWING, SHOWING WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BUT WOOD IS WHAT IT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HALL. NO COMMENTS. THANKS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. COMMISSIONER, ME COMMISSIONER. ANTE, NOT ANTE. VELAZQUEZ. . I KNOW, RIGHT? . IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. YES. UM, ANY FINAL COMMENTS, SIR? COMMISSIONER FEOR, ANYTHING FINAL FROM YOU? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAMMON. AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT. UM, ITEM 19 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. UM, THAT'S THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR A VERY LONG DAY, AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.