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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER ON JANUARY, 2023, 2026 FOR THE HISTORIC COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE HAVE ROLL CALL.
HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE.
AT THIS TIME, THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JUANITA PUL CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND LANDMARKS IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL AND APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPROVAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE ON, IF YOU'RE THE OWNER OF OR A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR AN, FOR THE FOR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER WILL BE CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, THIS IS OUR FIRST HEARING OF THE YEAR, AND SO AS SUCH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE OUR ELECTION OF OFFICERS.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL TAKE MOTION.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, BOTH THE CURRENT CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ARE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ANOTHER ANOTHER YEAR.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME I WILL TAKE, UM, A, UH, NOMINATION FOR THE POSITION OF CHAIR.
I NOMINATE JUANITA, OUR CURRENT CHAIR.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
SO, UH, CHAIRWOMAN SE SEPULVEDA, UM, YOU CAN, UH, TAKE MOTIONS FOR VICE CHAIR AT THIS TIME.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE, UH, MOTIONS FOR VICE CHAIR.
I NOMINATE OUR CURRENT VICE CHAIR, JASON VASQUEZ.
SECOND, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS AT THIS TIME? I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE FOR VICE CHAIR, UH, JASON VASQUEZ.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY WITH SAYING AYE.
JASON VASQUEZ IS VICE CHAIR AGAIN.
AND I'LL JUST ALSO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER GARCIA HAS JOINED US VIRTUALLY, AND SO SHE'S HERE AS WELL.
UM, NOW WE CAN TAKE UP APPROVAL MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS DECEMBER 19TH, 2025.
I, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.MOTION IS CARRIED TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE SCREEN NOW.UM, WE HAVE A SHORTAGE AGENDA TODAY JUST TO NOTE THAT ITEM SEVEN, OR SORRY.
UM, ITEMS TWO, FOUR, AND FIVE HAVE BEEN EITHER POSTPONED, WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
THAT REALLY JUST BRINGS US TO TWO ITEMS. UM, WE HAVE ONE ITEM CONSENT, UM, THAT'S 1 22 POTOMAC.
AND SO WE WILL PLAY THE PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED BY VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME.
HELLO, THIS IS LULU F CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DICK WHIT HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE NUMBER 1 22 POTOMAC, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 3 52.
WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND STIPULATIONS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE WINDOW OUTLINED IN BLUE ON THE REAR ELEVATION DRAWING TO BE CHANGED TO A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW.
THOSE ARE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE HAVE.
UM, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE, UM, BUT CAITLYN IS THE CASE MANAGER.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO ALL OF SA STIPULATIONS, ESPECIALLY IF WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, TWEAK THAT ONE REGARDING THE WINDOW? YEAH, SO I, I THINK WE'RE GOOD FOR, FOR ACTION ON THAT ITEM.
COREY, UM, I OR MADAM CHAIR, MAY I SPEAK? GO AHEAD, COREY.
UH, I WANTED TO PULL THAT AGENDA ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MO OR TO REQUEST THAT ITEM.
UH, IS IT ONE, UH, 1 22 POTOMAC BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION? DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION?
[1. Address/Description: 122 POTOMAC ST HDRC Case No.: 2025-352 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Neighborhood Assn Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Juan Chavarria Request: Rear addition construction, chimney removal, front door infill, and additional exterior modifications City Council Dist.: 2]
WE JUST WILL NOT HAVE A MOTION INTERACTION ON CONSENT AND WE'LL JUST PROCEED WITH, UM, THE REVIEW OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.BUT SEEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT PRESENT, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT SPECIFICALLY OR THEY THINGS THAT, DO WE STILL HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT THERE? SO THERE WAS GONNA BE, I HAD QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND FOR, I GUESS FOR YOU TWO.
SO SHOULD WE DELAY IT OR, WELL, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL.
UM, IT IS AN OPTION, UH, TO POSTPONE TO THE, THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING, WHICH WOULD BE THE ONE IN FEBRUARY.
UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REQUEST ITEMS AND SO IF THE QUESTION IS SPECIFIC TO ONE ITEM AND THERE'S LESS CONCERN ABOUT OTHERS, THEN MAYBE IT COULD BE A PARTIAL APPROVAL, UM, AND ONLY ONE ITEM RETURN SO THAT HE'S ABLE TO PROCEED WITH WORK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO ADVOCATE FOR HIM, I'M JUST KIND OF GIVING YOUR OPTIONS.
YEAH, I, I JUST HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, HOW WE ENFORCE THE C OF A, BECAUSE IT'S APPEARS THE HOME HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
YEAH, NO, THAT WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT IT BEING BEYOND, UH, REPAIR, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE, UM, PLANS FOR IT.
CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT OR PLANS? SO WORK HAS BEGUN TO A DEGREE, WHAT'S COMING TO YOU TODAY, UM, IS A VIOLATION CASE.
UM, AND SO YEAH, DRAWINGS WERE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT TO COMPLY WITH THOSE VIOLATIONS.
ANY OTHER DETAILS ABOUT TIMELINE OR ANYTHING? UM, AND THEN ALSO ADDRESSING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE WINDOW, WHAT WAS IT, THE WINDOW YEAH.
COLOR BEING CHANGED TO A ONE OVER ONE.
SO NO, UM, NEWS ON THE TIMELINE FOR EXECUTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MANY CASES THIS COULD MOVE INTO A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, UM, AND THEN FURTHER ACTION CAN BE TAKEN FROM THERE.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE WINDOW ON THE REAR FACADE, THAT'S AN EXISTING WINDOW.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T FORCE THE APPLICANT TO MAKE IT A ONE OVER ONE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY EXISTING.
AND THEN, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, OH, PARDON ME, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE, UH, ONE OVER ONE WINDOW THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT'S A REQUEST, BUT IT WAS NOT A VIOLATION OR REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT THAT WAS JUST FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, IS THAT CORRECT.
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? AND THIS GO AHEAD, GODLY.UM, NO, I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BADLY DETERIORATED, BUT UM, IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR WAY OF ENFORCEMENT AND STAYING ON TOP OF IT.
WELL, I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A NEW OWNER AND SO SAY IT AGAIN.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A NEW OWNER, SO, OH, UM, I THINK HE'S ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DO THE REHABILITATION.
IS THERE ANY, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LOOK IN BCA, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE OWNER TOOK THIS OVER? I MEAN, WE'VE HAD OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM HAVE STARTED JUST IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY THE TIMELINE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? GO AHEAD, SIR.
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, I'M LOOKING AT THE PI UNDERNEATH IT.
WAS THIS HOUSE RELOCATED OR JUST ELEVATED AND WAS THAT RECENT? UH, WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT IT WAS, UM, EVER RELOCATED.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN WORK DONE IN THE PAST WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
UH, SO MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS REFLECTIVE OF THAT.
HERE ON THE ADDITION, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS PART OF THE VIOLATION, UM, WHICH IS WHY IT'S HERE FOR YOU TODAY.
SO I'M GONNA ADDRESS, UH, ARE THERE ANY, ANY COMMENTS FROM ONLINE? OKAY.
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I THINK THE, THE, THE STAFF IS ACTUALLY HANDLING VERY WELL AND LET THAT STAND WHERE IT IS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THE NEW APPLICANT AND JUST CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.
IT'LL STILL BE MONITORED, BUT AT THE, I THINK AT THIS POINT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER MOTIONS OR ANYTHING PERTAINING TO THIS AND LET IT JUST CONTINUE.
NO, MADAM CHAIR, I'M, I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD AND, UH, I JUST NEEDED THE REASSURANCE AND THEN JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE WITH STATUS STIPULATIONS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND GOT A, UH, WE HAVE A, A MOTION IN A SECOND AND GO AHEAD.
UH, ACTUALLY, MADAM CHAIR, CAN I ASK A CLARIFICATION, UH, FROM JASON, UH, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER VAZQUEZ, UH, YOU ARE ACCEPTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE WINDOW 1 0 1, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? NO, I BELIEVE, UH, STAFF ADDRESSED THAT AND OKAY.
IT WAS NOT IN ANY KIND OF A VIOLATION OR RIGHT.
SO UNLESS THE APPLICANT CAME TO US LOOKING TO MODIFY THAT PARTICULAR OPENING, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT A WINDOW IS INSTALLED THAT MEETS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE REQUESTED FOR THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT THE MOTION WAS.
DID YOU WANT TO AMEND THE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
WELL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM? I BELIEVE IT'S ROSEWOOD.ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 5 DASH 3 4 2 2 0 4 EAST ROSEWOOD AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE THREE EXISTING MASONRY BUILDINGS LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE THREE MASONRY BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND WE DO HAVE APPLICANT ERNIE BRINDELL HERE WITH US.
UM, HE HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A, A SUPPLEMENTAL PRESENTATION THAT YOU ACTUALLY WON'T SEE IN YOUR LATE FOLDERS, BUT I WILL PRESENT, UM, ONCE HE APPROACHES THE DAIS.
HI, UH, GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.
UM, YEAH, I'M REPRESENTING, UH, ROOF SHARKS, THE COMPANY WHO IS IN CHARGE OF, UH, THIS PROJECT OVER HERE.
UH, THE MAIN INTENTION OF THE PROJECT IS NOT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AT ALL, OR LIKE THE, ALL THE LAYOUT ON, ON, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE THE APPEAL THAT IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY ONGOING OVER THERE.
AND WE, WE, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A,
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A HISTORICAL, UH, BUILDING THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED.SO, UM, HERE'S, UH, HOW, HOW IT LOOKS, UH, AS OF NOW.
UH, THAT'S, UH, THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UH, IN GENERAL, WE, WE, WE FOUND THE, THE BUILDING IN, IN, IN PERFECT SHAPE.
JUST A, A COUPLE FIXES HERE AND THERE, UH, BUT WHEN WE CAME TO LOOK AT THE, AT THE BRICK, THE MASONRY THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, UH, WE STARTED NOTICING A LOT OF DAMAGE, AS YOU CAN SEE OVER HERE ON, ON, ON, ON THESE, UH, PICTURES.
I WAS EXPECTING THEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, BIGGER, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN, UH, GET A A HINT OF WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON OVER HERE.
SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND, UH, SUPPLIERS, VENDORS FOR, FOR THESE, UH, THESE BRICK.
AND, UH, IT'S, UH, BEEN QUITE A CHALLENGE.
SO THAT'S WHY, UH, WE DECIDED TO, UH, PROMOTE THIS MOTION AND, AND, AND WE'LL, UH, CHECK, CHECK WITH YOU ALL IF, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DO THIS, UH, IMPROVEMENT.
UH, NOT ONLY, UH, IT'S ONCE AGAIN, IT'S NOT ONLY AESTHETICAL, I MEAN, GOES BEYOND THAT.
IT'S MORE TO PRESERVE THE, THE CURRENT STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING AND THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE CURRENT, UH, MASONRY THAT IT'S, UH, UH, RIGHT NOW AS ON THE BUILDING, UM, WE'RE PLANNING.
YEAH, WE CAN MOVE TO THAT NEXT.
UM, WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND WE FOUND THAT, UH, THERE ARE MATERIALS, THERE ARE, UH, PAINT OPTIONS, UH, IN THE MARKET THAT, UH, WON'T DAMAGE THE, THE NATURE OF THE, OF THE CURRENT MASONRY.
UH, THESE, UH, THESE PAINT, UH, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE VENDORS THAT WE FOUND THERE ARE A TOOL OR MORE, UH, THERE IN THE MARKET.
AND, UH, THIS, THIS KIND OF PAINT IS MORE LIKE, UH, MINERAL BASED, SO IT WON'T DAMAGE AT ALL.
IT'LL, IT'LL LET THE, THE BRICK, UH, BREATHE, UH, NOT ABSORB ANY MOISTURE, AND IT, IT'S REMOVABLE.
SO, UH, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE, TO THE REGIONAL, UH, COLOR AT, AT ANY, AT ANY POINT IF WE USE, UH, ANY, ANY OF THESE, UH, UH, LITTLE, UH, MINERAL PAINT, UH, MINERAL BASED PAINTS.
SO, UM, WE CAN MOVE TO THE, TO THE NEXT ONE.
UM, WE ACTUALLY CHECKED ALSO ON THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL HISTORICAL CODE OF, UH, FOR, FOR PAINTS, UH, WHATEVER THE BALLOTS THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
AND, UH, CONSIDERING THAT WE CANNOT, UH, OR WE WOULDN'T LIKE TO TOUCH THE, THE OVERALL, THE, THE, THE BUILDING, LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE, OF THE MASONRY, WE, WE DECIDED TO JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPOSE TO PAINT ONLY THE TOP OF, OF, OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE, THE YELLOW MASONRY THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND.
UM, AND WHAT, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE DID THIS COMPARISON, WE FOUND THAT, UH, GOING FROM THE CURRENT, UH, MIX OF COLORS TO THE PROPOSED ONE, UM, IT KIND OF MATCHES WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY, UH, GOING ALL OVER THE STREET.
SO, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE USING THESE KIND OF, UH, MIXES.
WE'RE STILL ON, ON THE PREVIOUS ONE.
UH, THE, THE BLACK WITH THE, THE RED BRICK, UH, WHITE ACCENTS AND BLACK.
SO IT'S, UH, IT KIND OF BLENDS PERFECTLY.
AND SINCE THESE PROPERTIES ON THE CORNER, UH, GIVES LIKE A FIRST APPROACH TO, TO, TO THE STREET, SO WE CONSIDER THAT BEING GOING BLACK WOULD BE KIND OF NEUTRAL.
AND, UH, ALSO, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN CASE OF FUTURE, UH, CRACKS OR DAMAGE THAT WE NOTICE ON THE BRICK WOULD BE MORE, UH, IT, IT'LL KIND OF FADE IT OUT.
LIKE IT'LL BE EASY TO, UM, IT WON'T BE THAT NOTICEABLE.
I WOULD, I, I WILL, I WILL THINK THAT THAT'LL BE THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN TO IT.
UM, AND YEAH, WE CAN GO TO THE LAST ONE.
UM, WE NOTICED THAT THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT, UH, EXPERIENCED, UH, AN APPEARANCE CHANGE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT MADE OUT OF BRICK, BUT, UH, WE, WE, I MEAN, WE WANTED JUST TO, UH, SUBMIT TO, TO YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS, UH, THIS FACT THAT THERE'S, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN, IN, UH, 1, 1 5, UH, WEST ROSEWOOD, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE HALF A MILE A MILE AWAY FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE, WE JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOU ALL, UH, ALL THESE FACTS, UH, TO SEE IF YOU CAN, COULD CONSIDER OUR, OUR REQUEST TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE MY MONITOR WENT BLACK.
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I THOUGHT I'D BROKEN SOMETHING.I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS.
I'LL START TO MY LEFT, PLEASE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
HAS THE WORK OF THE PAINTING ALREADY BEEN DONE? IS THIS A VIOLATION CASE OR THIS IS A REQUEST? THIS IS A REQUEST.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER TO MY LEFT? ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ONLINE PLEASE? UM, I HAVE MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION.
AND CAN I ASK THAT, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT NOW? GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
UM, I THINK THAT I'M NOT, I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF, UM, PAINT.
AND, UH, WHILE IT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PAINTING MASONRY, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, OVERALL FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT IS PROBLEMATIC TO PAINT BRICK.
AND IF YOUR PRIMARY REASON FOR WANTING TO DO SO IS THAT YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING BRICK THAT IS YELLOW TO MATCH, UH, THE EXISTING IN TERMS OF REPAIRS, THEN UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS PROBABLY NOT A STRONG ENOUGH REASON BECAUSE THERE IS STILL A DOWNSIDE, UM, TO PAINTING BRICK.
UM, ALSO IT DOES CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING, IN MY OPINION, EVEN REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE COLOR PALETTE IS ALLOWED IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT THAT HISTORICALLY LEAVING THE BRICK AND, UM, DOING EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO REPAIR, RESTORE, AND PROTECT IT AS IT STANDS NOW, IS THE WAY THAT WE WANT TO GO.
UM, I DON'T SO MUCH HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PAINTING IT BASED ON THE INFORMATION PRESENTED TO US, BUT, UH, I WOULD RATHER BE A COLOR THAT WOULD MATCH THE ORIGINAL COLOR CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR THAT THAT WOULD BE MY ISSUE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO MY RIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
I HAVE SOME, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS AS CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE, THE HOME, UH, WHEN IT'S GOING FROM ONE SHADE OF THAT TIME? WHAT I THINK THE HOME WAS BUILT IN 45 OR 51, 1 OF THOSE TWO, UM, WHICH IS KIND OF TELLING OF THE TIMES.
UH, DO YOU SEE IT NOT CHANGING, UH, THE CHARACTER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING ANY, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THE OVERALL, UM, LAYOUT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S JUST, UH, LOOKING FOR, UM, A PAIN THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO DISSIMILATE THE CRACKS BECAUSE IT'S BECOMING A, A LITTLE BIT OLDER.
SO, UH, WE, WE DIDN'T PLAN ON, ON, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTING LIKE, UH, DRAMATICALLY THE COLORS, AS YOU CAN TELL, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE MIX THAT WE ARE USING RIGHT NOW, UH, LET'S THE, LIKE THE, THE FRAMES, ALL THE, THE ACCENTS OF THE WINDOWS CAN STILL BE PERCEIVED THE WAY THEY ARE.
UM, AND, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOP, JUST, UH, UH, I MEAN WE, WE, WE WANTED TO RESPECT THE, THE, THE BASE, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE PART THAT YOU CAN, THE RED PERCEIVE FROM, FROM THE VERY FIRST SIDE WHEN YOU GO INTO INTO THE STREET.
UM, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT DOES, UH, CHANGE THE CHARACTER WHEN YOU'RE GOING FROM ONE COLOR TO A DARK, DARK COLOR.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO TAKING AWAY THE DETAIL OF THE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S A DIFFERENT YEAH, THE BRICK ON THE SIDE OF THAT CENTER WINDOW.
THAT, THAT WON'T BE, THAT WON'T BE MODIFIED.
IT'S JUST, BUT WHAT ARE, LET ME ASK STAFF THIS.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TECHNICAL TERM WOULD BE.
THEY KIND OF LOOK LIKE COINS TO ME, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD TECHNICALLY BE DIFFERENT.
WHAT IS IT? 1, 2, 3 CONTRASTING COLOR, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THE CONTRASTING BRICK COLOR, SO
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THAT, THAT CHARACTER THAT'S PART OF, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING, UM, FEATURE OF THE HOME.WE, UH, I MEAN WE PRESENTED THIS, UH, USING AI TECHNOLOGY MM-HMM
AND IT DIDN'T RESPECT THAT FRAMING ON, ON THE, ON THE CENTER WINDOW, BUT IT WON'T BE AFFECTED.
WE WOULD, UH, KEEP THE, THE, THE RED BRICK AS IT IS.
AND THEN, UM, TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS PAINT.
YOU SAID IT WOULD PRESERVE THE HOME, UH, BECAUSE TYPICALLY AS THE COMMISSIONER ONLINE MENTIONED, UH, PAINTING DOES IS NOT GOOD FOR, FOR MASONRY.
I, I ACTUALLY, UH, PICK THE, LIKE THE TEXT THAT COMES WITH THE, FROM, FROM THE BENDER AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY HIGHLIGHT.
BASICALLY IT'S THE BREATHABILITY.
UH, THESE PAINTS ARE ALSO HIGHLY BREATHABLE WITH, UH, EXCELLENT MOISTURE VAPOR TRANSMISSION.
UM, ROMEO, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE BRANDS THAT, THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING FOR, FOR THIS AND, UH, HAVE A PERMEABILITY RATING OF, UH, 70 PLUS, WHICH IS ABOVE, WAY ABOVE AVERAGE.
UM, AND THAT'S ESSENTIAL FOR THE HEALTH OF THE, OF ALL THE, UH, BRICK STRUCTURES.
UM, THEY ARE EXTREMELY LONG LASTING, UH, RESISTANT, CHIPPING, PEELING.
AND, UH, IF, IF WE SAW 'EM ON, ON, ON THE VERY FIRST PICTURES, THE, WHEN THERE WERE THE FOUR, UH, LIKE IT'S ALREADY SIGN TO FADE OUT TO CHIP TO JUST CRACK.
SO, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THESE KIND OF PAINTS, UH, HELP TO KEEP IT, UH, UH, KIND OF TOGETHER.
SO IT'S, IT'S MORE TECHNOLOGY THAN THE ONE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, AVAILABLE AT, AT THE TIME WHEN, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, BRICK COLOR WAS, UH, INSTALLED ON, ON THE BUILDING.
UM, SO, UM, IT COMES WITH A 20 YEAR WARRANTY WHEN APPLY THE CORRECT.
UM, LIKE, AGAIN, I'D SAY IT'D PROBABLY BE CHEAPER IF YOU FOUND SOMEBODY THAT DOES, UH, BRICK REPAIR, THEN PAINTING THAT WHOLE, UH, UP UPPER PORTION OF THE HOME AND THEN WHATEVER EL OTHER DETAILS YOU'RE GONNA PAINT.
UM, THERE'S MANY VENDORS THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO THAT DO MASONRY REPAIR AND THAT CAN RESTORE, UM, THOSE ITEMS. UM, AND MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU WAS, HOW DO YOU CONSIDER THIS, UH, NOT NOTICEABLE, THE PAINTING, THE CHANGING OF THE COLOR FROM THE YELLOW TO THE BLUE TO THE, IS IT BLACK OR BLUE? UH, IT IS BLACK.
THAT, THAT'S A, AGAIN, A STARK CONTRAST TO WHAT IT WAS.
AND YOU'RE INTRODUCING THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED, AT THE CORNER, THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET, WHICH, UH, KIND OF SETS THE TONE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS YOU'RE TURNING INTO ONTO ROSEWOOD.
UM, HOW WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS NOT NOTICEABLE? UH, WE, WE DID, UH, LIKE EXPLORATION AROUND THE, THE, THE BLOGS AROUND THE PROPERTY, AND WE NOTICED THAT THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL BUILDINGS WITH, UH, USING THIS THE SAME, UH, MIX OF, OF COLORS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE LIKE, UH, OKAY.
I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH THE LANDLORD WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE IT IN, IN RED OR BLUE, WHATEVER, WE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO KIND OF, UH, BLEND, UH, THE, THE BEST WAY WE CAN WITH, UH, WITH THIS.
AND OUR MAIN IDEA WAS TO, AS I, AS I EXPLAINED BEFORE, LIKE, UH, THIS, THIS COLOR, UH, KIND OF, UH, DOESN'T HIDES MORE ANY CRACKS, ANY, ANY IMPERFECTIONS THAT COME UP WITH, UH, WITH, WITH TIME.
THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE MAIN REASON WHY WE USE, SO USING THE, THE SAME KIND OF, UH, COLOR PALETTE THAT WAS, UH, AROUND LIKE THE TWO OR THREE BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, AROUND AND, UH, THE FACT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, TO HIDE THOSE CRACKS IN THE FUTURE.
YEAH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, IT HIDING THE, THE IMPERFECTIONS, THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE HAVING.
UM, AND AGAIN, I REBUT THAT WITH IT WOULD EXACERBATE OR MAYBE EVEN BUILD UPON THOSE, UM, PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY HAVING.
UM, AND THEN YOU'RE JUST PAINTING OVER A PROBLEM AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE THERE AND CONTINUE TO WORSEN.
SO, UM, I'D BE INCLINED TO, TO RESPECTFULLY, UH, GO AGAINST YOUR, YOUR REQUEST.
SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR COMING.
SO MANY OF THE CASES WE SEE ARE VIOLATION CASES AND THE WORK HAS ALREADY STARTED, AND THAT CAN BE REALLY DEVASTATING TO THE APPLICANT.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING FORWARD WITH A REQUEST.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, I JUST WANTED NOTED THAT I AGREE WITH MY, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, GARCIA AND VASQUEZ.
UM, I DO SEE, UH, PAINTING IT, UM, THE STARK COLOR IS, IS CHANGING, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING TRAIT
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OF THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO THE ISSUE I HAVE EVEN LARGER THAN EVEN THAT IS, IS, UM, PAINTING OVER THE, THE BRICK.I, I, I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF OUR CALL AND OUR DUTY ON THIS, THIS, UM, BOARD, UM, IN, IN ORDER TO STAY WITHIN THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, I, I REALLY STRUGGLE WITH THAT.
BUT I DO WANNA GENUINELY THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD BEFORE, BEFORE WORK WAS STARTED
YEAH, YOU'RE SAVING, UH, JUST A BIT IN
UM, SO AT THIS TIME, CAITLIN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL MINERAL PAINT PLEASE.
AND SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
I KNOW THAT UNDER CERTAIN CRITERIA AND REGULATIONS WE DO NOT VIEW AS PAINTING THE PAINT, AND I NOTICED ALSO THE IMPERFECTIONS AS FAR AS THE BRICK AND, AND THE STUCCO AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WHAT ARE THE REGULATIONS AS FAR AS THOSE? I DON'T KNOW THEM AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SO I APOLOGIZE.
I KNOW 'CAUSE WE'RE ADDRESSING DAMAGES AND FUTURE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT WORSENING.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT PAINTING TO BE ABLE TO COVER THE IMPERFECTIONS, BUT MY CONCERN WOULD BE AT THIS POINT IS NOT PREVENTING THE DAMAGE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE SKILLSET TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND MAINTENANCE IT.
AND IS THIS THE FIRST TIME IT'S COMING TO US? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE NOT SEEN THIS REQUEST BEFORE.
UM, IF, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING IN TERMS OF WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY, THEY'RE PRETTY EXPLICIT IN THAT MASONRY IS NOT TO BE PAINTED.
AND THEN AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD GO INTO MAINTENANCE VERSUS, AND I DON'T WANNA CALL THIS BEAUTIFICATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT IS A HISTORICAL AND WE'RE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN IT, NOT CHANGE THE EXTERIOR.
AND IN ADDRESSING THIS PAINT, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE ALREADY GONNA START ADDRESSING? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE BRINGING MINERAL PAINT THINGS IS, SO I WILL SAY THIS IS A REAL PRODUCT.
UM, WE HAVE APPROVED IT IN OTHER INSTANCES, UM, AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN SOME CASES EVEN ON VERY HISTORIC STRUCTURES BY THE STATE.
AND SO THERE IS PRECEDENT, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE THE, QUITE THE SAME, UH, PHYSICAL IMPACT AS LIKE A LATEX SPACE PAINT BECAUSE OF THE BREATHABILITY THAT THE APPLICANT MENTIONED.
UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S USUALLY OUR PRIMARY, UM, CONCERN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PAINTING MASONRY.
THAT'S WHY THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT, THAT ANOTHER ISSUE AGAIN IS JUST SORT OF THE CHANGE IN APPEARANCE.
UM, THIS HOUSE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER BUILT IT CHOSE THESE TWO BRICKS, AND THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE HISTORY, LIKE IT OR NOT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE, TO THE BRICK.
SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IMAGE THAT HE BROUGHT US AND WE'VE GONE OUT TO, TO, TO VIEW IT, RIGHT? NO, WE HAVE NOT, NO.
AND THEN THE, THE COLORS THAT ARE ACCEPTED IN THAT, IN THAT DISTRICT, IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WE HAVE NO SAY OR PURVIEW OVER COLOR SELECTION.
THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SHOWN WAS, UM, PRODUCED BY THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION MORE THAN A DOZEN YEARS AGO.
UM, IT'S NOT ADOPTED OR ENDORSED BY THE CITY, BUT IT IS SORT OF A RECOMMENDED PAINT PALETTE THAT SOME PEOPLE KIND OF LOOKED AT AND AGREED UPON.
UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY GUIDANCE TO BE CONSIDERED TODAY.
UM, BUT UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT BACKGROUND, SIR, CAN YOU ANNUNCIATE YOUR NAME ONE MORE TIME? EDDIE, LEN.
IS IT OKAY IF I CALL YOU EDDIE? BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE MESSING UP PEOPLE'S NAMES.
HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE MONTE VISTA COMMUNITY, UH, AS THUS FAR, OR IS THIS JUST ADDRESSING IT AT THIS POINT? UH, WE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND THEY RECOMMENDED TO JUST COME STRAIGHT TO, TO THE CITY.
SO AT THIS POINT, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING, THE EXTERIOR, AND THAT I'VE HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE PAINTING.
WE DO HAVE THE STRICT COMPLIANCE ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, EDDIE LOOKING AT IT.
IF IT WAS IN ANY OTHER DISTRICT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT BEING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO BRICKS, AND IT WOULD DEFINITELY CHANGE THE, THE, THE CHANGE OF IT, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN ULTIMATELY MAINTAINING IT.
AT THIS TIME, LET ME GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO MY COMMISSIONER, SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
UH, ONLINE, I WOULD JUST ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT, UM, THAT PART OF THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF THIS BUILDING, UH, AND ANYTIME YOU USE
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BRICK IS THE KIND OF CONTRAST OR THE, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COLOR OF THE MORTAR AND THE COLOR OF THE BRICK.AND IN LOOKING AT THIS WHILE, WHILE OTHERS WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, CHANGE IF THIS, UH, BRICK ON THE TOP WERE TO BE PAINTED OVER.
BECAUSE THEN THERE IS NO DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN THE YELLOW BRICK AND THE MORTAR BANDS.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT IS PART OF WHAT GIVES THIS BUILDING ITS ARCHITECTURAL, UM, CHARACTERISTIC.
SO THAT WOULD BE, I THINK ANOTHER REASON WHY, WHY PAINTING THE BRICK WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA, I HAD A COMMENT FROM MY TO MY LEFT.
COULD WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, TWO SLIDES PREVIOUS, UH, THE, THE MANUFACTURER'S, UH, I'M, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE INFORMATION THE MANUFACTURER IS PROVIDING BECAUSE ON ONE HAND, IT, IT, IT DOES TALK ABOUT, UH, EASE OF REMOVABILITY, AND YET ON THE OTHER, WHEN WE LOOK FURTHER DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, IT EMPHASIZES, IT PENETRATES, ABSORBENT, UH, MASONRY FUSES FOR PERMANENT ADHESION, UM, AND, UH, EXTREMELY RESISTANT TO FREEZE THAW, UH, WILL NEVER BLISTER OR PEEL FROM MOISTURE.
SO IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE SOME, UH, CONTRADICTORY ELEMENTS IN THERE THAT, UH, I THINK I, I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF I'D NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT AND MAYBE SOME LONG-TERM STUDIES ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PAINT METHOD IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND IN PARTICULAR HOW IT MIGHT HOLD UP HERE.
UM, I'M SURE THAT, UH, GERMAN ENGINEERING IS, IS FANTASTIC, ESPECIALLY FOR PAINT IN, IN COLD CLIMATES.
I'M, I'M CURIOUS HOW IT HANDLES, UH, SOUTH TEXAS WEATHER.
UM, PLUS AS THE GUIDELINES HAVE STATED, AND AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, OUR DEFAULT POSITION IS JUST NOT TO PAINT MASONRY BECAUSE THERE ARE THESE KINDS OF SURPRISES THAT CAN HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD AND, UM, THEY CAN BE REALLY PAINFUL AND EXPENSIVE TO, TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS LATER.
SO BETTER TO DO NO HARM UPFRONT WHEN POSSIBLE.
ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ONLINE AT THIS TIME? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO UH, APPROVE WITH STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS WOULD BE A DENIAL OF THE REQUEST? THAT IS CORRECT.
EDDIE, IF YOU'LL PLEASE GO BACK TO THE, TO OUR, TO THEIR OFFICE AND WORK WITH THEM AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION PLEASE.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ARE THERE ANY UPDATES FROM THE STAFF? WE HAVE NO OTHER BUSINESS.
AT THIS TIME I'LL CALL FOR MOTION TO, UH, ADJOURN.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
MOTION SECOND? YEAH, WELL WE JUST NEED TO JUST ADJOURN.