* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 PM – Call to Order] [00:00:04] TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 4TH, 2026. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AND SAVINO? HERE. VELAZQUEZ? HERE. GALLOWAY MOOKA. HERE. GUEVARA. OKAY. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU GROUP HERE. COMMISSIONER GEVA GUEVARA HERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CERVANTES HOLLAND. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD REPORTING BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY ZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF ORAL REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TIME. UM, I'M SORRY. SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, FIRST, JUST A QUICK NOTE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED ONLINE BY COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. WELCOME. UM, NO ANNOUNCEMENTS OTHER THAN WE DO HAVE, UM, OUR RESTORED BY LIGHT EVENT COMING UP NEXT FRIDAY ON FEBRUARY 13TH. OH, LOOK, EDWARD IS READY WITH IT. UM, SO THIS IS A FREE PUBLIC EVENT AT MISSION SAN JOSE, UM, THE, THE NIGHT BEFORE VALENTINE'S DAY, SO IT MIGHT BE A GOOD DAY, NIGHT OPTION AS WELL. UM, SO THIS IS WHERE WE LIGHT UP THE FACADE WITH THE ORIGINAL FRESCO APPEARANCE AS WELL AS A FEW OTHER FUN THINGS. THOSE WILL BE, THERE'LL BE MUSIC AND DANCING AND LIVE PERFORMANCES, UM, AS WELL AS FOOD TRUCKS. SO BRING KIDS, BRING FAMILIES, BRING YOUR PICNIC BLANKETS AND ALL OF THAT, UM, AND COME OUT FOR A GOOD TIME. UM, AND THEN WITH THAT WE CAN DO ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM JANUARY 21ST. CAN HAVE A MOTION FOR MEETING MINUTES, PLEASE? YES. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JANUARY 21ST, 2026. I SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR, A ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINO AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. HEY, JUST ANOTHER NOTE. WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COMMISSIONER CERVANTES ONLINE, SO WE HAVE FOUR VIRTUALLY TODAY. UM, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] ON THE SCREEN YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE SIX ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, IS IT TRUE WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? OKAY, SO WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAILS AT THIS TIME. I DON'T, NOT ON CONSENT. SO THERE ACTUALLY ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CONSENT ITEMS. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? YES, SIR. I WISH TO PULL ITEM NUMBER [00:05:01] THREE. ITEM I WISH TO PUSH. ITEM NUMBER ONE. ITEM THREE, ITEM ONE. ANY OTHER ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO ACCEPT ITEMS 2, 4, 5, AND SIX, ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SENO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. KIVA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS TWO 19 EAST HOUSTON, THREE 40 EAST W SATCH ONE 10 LEXINGTON AND SEVEN 10 NORTH. ALL OF YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER OR A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED IN EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE. UM, THIS IS THE VIA BUS SHELTERS, UM, BELIEVE CHRISTINE VINA IS WITH US. VIRTUALLY, UH, ART HERRERA AND, UH, BORROW DEED ARE HERE IN PERSON. UM, I WILL, UM, I GUESS I'LL READ THE REQUEST AND THE RECOMMENDATION, OR WE CAN JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONER SANTES? UM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD, SIR. YEAH, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS, UH, THE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST, UH, UH, MEETING BOTH THE DRC AND, UH, IN THE, UH, SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS WE'VE HAD. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, UH, WAYS THAT THEY CAN DO TO SOFTEN UP THE IMPACT OF THIS, OF THIS, UH, THIS CONSTRUCT HERE IN THE, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO JUST KIND OF DISCUSS THE CHANGES THAT THEY MADE, UM, AND THEN PUT SOME GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION OF THE CHANGES THEY MADE. I DON'T WANT TO REHASH THE ENTIRE THING, JUST THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT. SURE. SORRY. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ART HERRERA. I AM THE DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS AT VIA. SO BASED ON THE, THE COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM THE FIRST HDRC MEETING, THE D UH, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING, AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR FOLLOW UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UH, THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS WHERE WE ARE, UH, MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE DESIGN. AND THEN THERE IS ONE ITEM THAT WE ARE STILL LOOKING INTO, UH, AND IT'S MORE RELATED TO, UH, OPERATIONAL CONSTRAINTS FOR OUR DIGITAL MESSAGING. SO LET'S JUST, UH, WALK THROUGH THESE FIVE ITEMS. THE FIRST IS THE SHELTER DESIGN. SO, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED DURING THOSE VARIOUS MEETINGS WAS, UH, IT, IT AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TOUCH IS THE COLOR. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE REACHED OUT TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHAT, UH, WHAT KING WILLIAM AND MONTE VISTA HAVE REQUESTED IS FOR THE DARKER COLOR ON THE STATIONS. AND SO FOR THOSE STATIONS AS WELL AS THE SISTER STATIONS. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE STATION THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET OR HEADING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. WE'RE GOING WITH A DARK GREEN COLOR, WHICH, UH, FITS WITHIN OUR COLOR PALETTE, UH, AND IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS HAD, UH, REQUESTED SPECIFICALLY, UH, RELATED TO THE SIGNAGE PANEL. ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED WAS HOW DO WE TIE IN OR AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THESE SHELTERS ARE IN THESE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO IN OUR SIGNAGE PANELS, WE WILL BE INCORPORATING LOGOS RELATED TO THE, UH, THE APPROPRIATE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THEN ON THE WINDSCREEN ITSELF, UH, BECAUSE IT'S STUDENT ARTWORK, WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING A, UH, AN ARTIST RECOGNITION PLAQUE AT THE TOP. AND I THINK I HAVE A, AN IMAGE OF THAT, AN, UH, AN A, UH, PLAQUE AT THE TOP OF THE, UH, THE WINDSCREEN THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE, THE STUDENT ARTWORK. AND THEN JUST TO THE RIGHT OF IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A, UH, THE SAME, UH, UM, NARRATIVE THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON THERE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATED OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS, UH, LOCATED IN. THE OTHER COMMENT WE HEARD BACK WAS RELATED TO THE, UH, ROCK WALL ON THE, UH, ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF ROOSEVELT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UH, THE PARK THERE. SO ORIGINALLY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IS WE WERE GOING TO DEMO A PORTION OF THAT STONE WALL AND, UH, REPLACE IT WITH CONCRETE WALL. ONE OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD BACK WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO APPLY SOME OF THE SALVAGED ROCK AS A VENEER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE, UH, [00:10:01] NATURAL LOOKING TRANSITION BETWEEN THE ROCK WALL AND THE NEW WALL THAT WE'RE BUILDING. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE DOING. WE WILL BE APPLYING ANY OF THE, THE SALVAGE ROCK FROM THAT DEMOLITION AND APPLYING IT AS A VENEER TO THAT CONCRETE WALL. AND THEN THE, THE LAST THING THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO, UH, IS, SO THE DIGITAL MESSAGING SCREENS AT THE TOP, THAT'S PROVIDING REAL TIME BUS ARRIVAL INFORMATION. THERE, UH, MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE A PORTION OF THAT SIGN IS DEDICATED TO PUSH OUT MESSAGES, NOT ONLY TO OUR RIDERS, UH, BUT ALSO, UM, TO JUST ANYONE WALKING UP AND DOWN, UH, ALONG THE STATION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD PUSH IS, UH, A, UH, THE LOGO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ANY EVENTS OCCURRING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, DURING THAT MONTH OR, OR IF ANY UPCOMING, UH, EVENTS THAT MAY BE HAPPENING IN OR AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS INCLUDE A QR CODE IN OUR SIGNAGE THAT WOULD SEND THAT, UH, ANY INDIVIDUAL THAT, UH, CLICKS OR, OR TAKES A PHOTO OF THE QR CODE STRAIGHT TO THEIR, UH, TO THE WEBSITE FOR THAT SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE WILL BE MAKING, UH, TO THESE STATIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THE, UM, THE, THE, THE BRUTALNESS OF THE DESIGN AS FAR AS IT BEING SQUARED OFF AND KIND OF BLOCKY THAT, THAT SORT OF THING? HAS, HAS THE COMMUNITY MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM, UH, THE KING WILLIAM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, THAT SPECIFICALLY ASKED IF THE, THERE'S AN EXISTING SHELTER THERE IN FRONT OF BONHAM ACADEMY. UH, AND IT'S A, WE CALL IT AN HISTORIC SHELTER, IRONICALLY, AND IT'S, UH, ONE OF OUR OLDEST SHELTERS. THEY REQUESTED WHETHER OR NOT THAT EXACT SHELTER COULD JUST BE USED INSTEAD OF THIS, UH, PROPOSED CANOPY. THE ISSUE IS IT DOESN'T PROVIDE AS MUCH COVERAGE AND AS MUCH, UH, SHADE AND WEATHER PROTECTION AS WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AT ALL AT, AT LARGE, AS WELL AS FROM THE COUNCIL AND OUR BOARD. AND SO IT WOULD GO AGAINST ONE OF THOSE PROJECT GOALS IF WE HAD DONE THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY, UH, COMMENT SPECIFIC TO THE DESIGN OF THE SHELTERS, MORE SO ON THE COLOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT GOING TO THE COLOR, THE PROPOSED GREEN COLOR. I SEE ON PAGE 31 OF THE 73 PAGE DOCUMENT, YOU HAVE YOUR COLOR PALETTE LAID OUT. UM, SO YOU'RE SHOWING THAT THE DARKER COLOR WILL BE USED FOR BEAMS AND JOISTS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? YES, MA'AM. UH, HOW ABOUT THE, UH, ROOFING MATERIAL? IT'S A STANDING STAIN SEAM TYPE. IT, IT IS. AND THAT MATERIAL WOULD ALSO BE THE SAME COLOR. SO ESSENTIALLY THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF AS WELL AS THE ROOF WOULD ALL BE THAT DARKER GRAY. SO ARE YOU GETTING A CUSTOM COLOR FOR THE ROOF OR ARE YOU USING A STANDARD ROOF COLOR FOR THE REST OF THE PARTS? IT'S A CUSTOM, ALL OF IT'S A CUSTOM COLOR. OKAY. AND IT'S THE DARKER COLOR IN THE MIDDLE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, TO, UH, APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH ALL APPLICABLE STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YEAH, WELL, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. DID OKAY. WE SURE? YEAH, I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY. I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD. YEAH, I JUST, I, I DO HAVE A CONCERN WITH THIS. THE, THE BULKINESS, THE SQUARENESS OF THE TUBING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT. UM, I DO SEE THAT THEY, THEY HAVE, UH, ADJUSTED THE COLOR PALETTE. THEY'RE TRYING TO NOT MAKE IT STICK OUT. I I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH CHANGE TO IT TO DO THAT. UM, UH, WHILE I SUPPORT THE PROJECT AND I SUPPORT THE CHANGES THEY'VE DONE, I'M STILL A LITTLE HESITANT TO SUPPORT THE OVERALL MOTION BECAUSE OF THAT. SO I THINK I WILL BE VOTING NO ON THIS, UH, ITERATION OF IT. THANK YOU, SIR. OTHER COMMENTS? UM, OKAY, SIR, IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION I, IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, PERVA STATION, UH, ILLUSTRATION, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE ARE SOME COLUMNS WITH, UH, V SHAPE THAT GOES UP AND THERE THEY'RE LANIER. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 OF THEM. IS THAT A DESIGN ELEMENT OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I'M MISREADING? UH, ROLAND, WHAT PAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I, I CAN PULL IT UP. UM, IT'S THE FIRST PACKAGE NUMBER ONE, NOT THE FULL PACKAGE. AND WHERE IT HAS THE, SEE THAT HISTOR, DO YOU SEE THOSE GREEN UPRIGHTS WITH A [00:15:01] V COLUMN OR A V DESIGN AT THE TOP? OH, OKAY. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY, UH, THE IMAGE IS SUPERIMPOSED OVER AN EXISTING IMAGE, WHICH YOU'RE SEEING IN THE BACKGROUND IS ACTUALLY THE EXISTING SHELTER CANOPY. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT, THAT ELEMENT IS THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT V IT'S JUST, IT WAS SUPERIMPOSED. THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH. WELL, I, I SEE WHY THEY WANTED IT. IT'S, IT'S ELEGANT, UM, AND, AND VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE NEW ONE. UM, THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT SURE. JUST, JUST, I'M JUST, UH, WONDERING, UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE GREEN THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF A TYPICAL HUNTER GREEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERN THAT, THAT, THAT THE, I GUESS THE, THE FULL PURPOSE OF THE COLORS IS CORRELATING WITH WHAT WE THINK PEOPLE REMEMBER, SO THEY'LL KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING, RIGHT? YES. DID, DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT THE DARKER GREEN AT NIGHT POSSIBLY WOULD LOOK BLACK? THIS JUST, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THE LIGHTER GREEN MAKES MORE SENSE THE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF, UH, UNDER LIGHTING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UH, HAVE AT, AT THE STATIONS. IT SHOULDN'T COME OFF THAT WAY. IT SHOULD BE LIT ENOUGH THAT YOU SHOULD SEE THAT IT IS STILL GREEN. SURE. SURE. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. GO AHEAD, SIR. GO AHEAD, SIR. YEAH. UH, UH, SPEAKING OF THOSE DS OF THE, OF THE, UH, UH, PREVIOUS CANDRY, CAN YOU INCORPORATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO RETAIN SOME OF THE CHARACTER OF THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE THERE? IT NOT, NOT ON THESE, UH, SHELTERS. NO, SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, FINAL QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA NAY. AVADA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NOPE. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS 1 75 EAST HOUSTON STREET. THE, UH, APPLICANT FRANCISCO BARONE, AS WELL AS AUBREY HARTMAN, UH, SHOULD BE WITH US VIRTUALLY. FRANCISCO, ARE YOU THERE? UH, YES. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR US OKAY? SURE CAN. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR, PROFESSOR? YES. UM, I PULLED THIS JUST FOR, TO REITERATE A COUPLE OF STAFF COMMENTS. UH, ONE IS SCREENING OF THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT ON THE NEW ADDITION. UM, THE LATEST DRAWINGS SHOW A FIVE FOOT TALL PARAPET WALL AND, UH, TO SCREEN THE EQUIPMENT. BUT, UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT EQUIPMENT IS SELECTED AND HOW IT'S INSTALLED, THE FIVE FOOT MAY NOT BE TALL ENOUGH. AND SO THAT, UH, THE HEIGHT OF THAT SCREEN MAY BE NEED TO BE ADJUSTED TO, UH, HIDE THE EQUIPMENT. UM, AND THAT IS BASICALLY IN REFERENCE TO A, AN EARLIER PROJECT THAT CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION WHERE WE WERE ASSURED BY THE DESIGNERS THAT, UH, THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT OF A NEW DOWNTOWN HOTEL WOULD BE SCREENED, UH, DUE TO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, UH, WIDE ROOF OVERHANGS AND SUCH. AND, UM, IT WAS PASSED AND IS, UH, NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT, UH, WHEREVER YOU CAN SEE THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS VERY UNFORTUNATE. UH, SO, UH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SCREENING OF THAT EQUIPMENT, UH, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR, UM, NOT ONLY MEETING THE GUIDELINES, BUT FOR THE OVERALL AESTHETIC OF THE, OF THE DESIGN. THE OTHER ELEMENT IS, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE, UM, THE RECESSED DARK BLACK, UH, PANEL, RECESS PANEL THAT'S ON ST. MARY'S, THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME ARTICULATION IN THERE TO, UH, BREAK THAT UP RIGHT NOW IS IT'S A FAIRLY WIDE ELEMENT. AND, UH, AS YOU FURTHER DEVELOP THIS, UM, THAT YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT SWATH, WHETHER YOU CAN, I KNOW THERE'S A FIRE STAIR BEHIND THAT WALL, WHETHER YOU CAN PUT WINDOWS AT THE LANDINGS, WHETHER YOU CAN PUT IN AN, [00:20:01] UH, SOME SORT OF, UM, COMPLIMENTARY OR ACCENT VERTICAL BAND TO BREAK UP THAT WIDTH. SO JUST WANT TO REITERATE THOSE TWO STAFF COMMENTS, UH, GOING FORWARD AS Y'ALL DEVELOP THESE. OKAY? YEP. GREAT FEEDBACK, UH, TO, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE COORDINATE WITH OUR MVP CONSULTANT, UM, AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SHIELDING OR SCREENING ANY OF THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT UP AT THE ROOF. AND THEN WE ALSO HEAR YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONNECTOR PIECE. UM, ON THE WEST SIDE, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF GUEST ROOMS WHERE WE DO HAVE PUNCH WINDOWS, AND I THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATION OF LOOKING AT ADDING SOME OF THE GLAZING ON THIS, UH, ST. MARY'S SIDE IS ALSO SOMETHING WORTH, UH, STUDYING ON OUR END. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK INTO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? YES. I MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UH, AT THIS TIME, NO ACTION ON ITEM THREE. STAFF, UH, DOES NOT RECOMMEND THAT, AND I BELIEVE, UH, THE CITY IS STILL STUDYING WHETHER A PASSENGER DROP OFF IS, UH, WARRANTED ON HOUSTON STREET. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, TO, UH, MR. CHAIR WITH YOUR PERMISSION, UH, TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, UH, IT SEEMS THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, BLATANTLY CLEAR IF PERHAPS, UH, THE LANGUAGE, UH, IN THE MOTION INCLUDED MAYBE THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE TERM FIVE FEET AND, AND JUST THE, THE TERMS TO, UH, UH, SCREENING TO, TO ADEQUATELY, UH, SCREEN, UH, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT THAT WAY. THE, THAT WAY THE, THE MOTION COVERS THE, OKAY, YES, I'LL AMEND THE MOTION TO, UH, DELETE THE, THE REFERENCE TO A FIVE FOOT TALL MECHANICAL SCREEN. BUT, UH, IT, THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREEN SHOULD BE DICTATED BY THE EQUIPMENT AND HOW IT'S MOUNTED AND IT'S ULTIMATE, UH, HEIGHT. AND, UM, YES. THANK YOU. DOES SECOND AGREE? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. EVA AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, UH, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 0 1 3 4 18 FLORIDA AND THREE 19 EAST CAROLINA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT ADDRESSES. FOUR 18 FLORIDA IN THREE 19, EAST CAROLINA, LOCATED WITHIN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT. LET ME, UH, SORRY, I'LL READ THE RECOMMENDATION. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING FOOTPRINT, GENERAL LOT LAYOUT AND GENERAL BUILDING MATERIALS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE OF THE STRUCTURES SETBACK FROM EAST CAROLINA SHOULD BE GREATER THAN THE SETBACKS OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST. SO IN FINDING DA SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. TWO, THAT A STREET ELEVATION SHOULD BE DEVELOPED TO SHOW THE PROPOSED HEIGHT AND CONTEXT WITH THE ADJACENT SINGLE STORY. HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON EAST CAROLINA AND FLORIDA STREETS IS NOTED IN FINDING F THREE THAT TRANSOM WINDOWS BE INSTALLED ABOVE EACH CANOPY. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROFILES OF MUTTONS, MUL, OTHER STOREFRONT AND TRANSOM FRAME ELEMENTS SHOULD RELATE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THE LE BACA HISTORIC DISTRICT. FOUR, THAT DETAILED LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING PLANS BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION. UH, FIVE IS IN REGARDS TO A MASTER SIGNAGE PLAN BEING DEVELOPED. SIX, THAT ALL MECHANICAL AND SERVICE EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED IS REQUIRED BY THE GUIDELINES. AS NOTED IN FINDING P SEVEN, THE APPLICANT CONSIDER RELOCATION OR REPOSITIONING OF THE DUMPSTER OR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A DUMPSTER LOCATION THAT IS COMPLIMENTARY OF THE STRUCTURES ARCHITECTURE. UM, SEVEN THAT NO CURB CUT, EXCEED, UH, EXCUSE ME, EIGHT, THAT NO CURB CUT EXCEED 25 FEET IN WIDTH, UH, NINE, THAT ALL PARKING AREAS BE BUFFERED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC IN STIPULATION TENS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY. UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE IN PERSON, UM, AND THE APPLICANT CAN FIELD ANY [00:25:01] QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME. I WILL SAY, AND I'LL LET THE APPLICANT CLARIFY THAT THEY HAVE, UH, CONFIRMED THAT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S STIPULATIONS. HI, MY NAME IS LORENA AND THIS IS MILES WE'RE WITH VILLA PARK, A PART OF KPNJ. AND YEAH, SO WE HAD RESPONDED TO ALL THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, WE'RE PROVIDING THE DETAILS NECESSARY, THE SETBACKS, WE ARE WITHIN THAT SETBACK. WE'RE FURTHER IN, UM, WE WILL BE PROVIDING THAT STREET ELEVATION ON, ON THE CDS IF THIS CONTINUES FORWARD. UM, THE, WE WILL PROVIDING THE TRANSOM WINDOWS AND THOSE WILL REFLECT THE MOENS THAT ARE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND, UM, THE LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING PLANS, EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED. THE OWNER AGREED THAT WE WILL BE SUBMITTING THAT. WE'VE ALSO MET WITH THE LA VACA ASSOCIATION, UM, THIS PAST FRIDAY. THEY GAVE US THEIR CONCERNS AND WE, WE'VE RESPONDED TO WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTING. THIS USED TO BE CALLED THE SHOPS AT, UM, SOUTHTOWN, AND THEY WANTED IT TO BE THE SHOPS AT LA VACA. SO, UM, THE OWNER AGREED THAT WE WOULD REVISE THAT, UM, AND THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE A MURAL ON THE I 37 ELEVATION, UM, TO KIND OF GIVE IT THE GRAND ENTRANCE TO THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE, OF COURSE, THEY WERE CONCERNED OF THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING THERE THAT WILL ALL BE REMAINING. UM, THERE'S A BIG PEAK ON TREE AND THE ONES ALONG I 37 WILL ALSO REMAIN. AND THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, UM, WITH THE FENCE LINE, THEY WENT TO THIS MEETING. UM, THEY HAD CONCERNS ABOUT SCREENING, SO WE'VE REMOVED A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES TO ADD ADDITIONAL SHRUBS AND VERTICAL LANDSCAPE TO HELP, UM, SCREEN THEIR AREA. WE AGREED TO KEEP THEIR FENCES. UM, THE, THE NEIGHBOR ON FLORIDA STREET, THEY WANT THEIR FENCE TO REMAIN. UM, SO WE APPROVE THAT. AND THE NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, CAROLINA STREET, THEY WANT A NEW FENCE, WHICH, UM, THE OWNER WILL BE PROVIDING, UM, PER THE REQUEST AND, UM, WILL BE ADDING ADDITIONAL SCREENING AT THE DUMPSTERS. AND I BELIEVE THOSE WERE ALL OF THEIR REQUESTS. THANK YOU. UM, ARE WE DOING, UH, MR. CHAIR? WE HAVE THREE VOICEMAILS. OKAY. UM, AND I'LL NOTE, UH, WHILE I'M PULLING THOSE UP, THAT THERE ARE ALSO TWO LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRIS GOLDKEY. I LIVE AT FOUR 10 LOES STREET IN THE LAVACCA FORK NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT FOUR 18 FLORIDA STREET. UH, IT'S CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 0 1 3. UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FOR THE UPCOMING MEETING, UH, AS THE DIRECT NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, I WANNA SAY THAT I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS THE BEST OF THE PROPOSED USES FOR THIS PROPERTY. UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT IDEAS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED OVER THE YEARS, UM, AND AS THE NEIGHBOR, UH, WE REALLY LIKE THE IDEA OF A SMALL RETAIL AND DINING, UH, FACILITY GOING IN RIGHT HERE. UH, WE ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE ARCHITECTS DIRECTLY AND SEE A PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT HAS, UH, TREES ON THE WESTERN EDGE, WHICH WOULD BE ALONG, YOU KNOW, MY PROPERTY LINE. AND, YOU KNOW, AS THEY HAVE SHOWN US, UM, WITH A GOOD NUMBER OF TREES, KEEPING THE REAL, UH, BIG OLD GROWTH PECAN TREE THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IF THEY GO FORWARD LIKE THIS WITH THIS KIND OF LANDSCAPING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, REAL ACCEPTABLE TO ME AS A NEIGHBOR AND I THINK WOULD LOOK REALLY NICE, UH, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE OTHER THING IS WE SPOKE TO THEM ABOUT THE FENCING BETWEEN OUR PROPERTIES AND THEY AGREED TO KEEP THE EXISTING FENCING IN PLACE AND, UH, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO US. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, CREATES A, A FINE BUFFER BETWEEN OUR PROPERTIES. AND SO OVERALL, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A NICE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS WILL USE. AND SO, AS I SAID, UH, VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. UH, NEXT DOOR. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS EMILY GOKEY AND I LIVE AT FOUR 10 FLORIDA STREET IN LAVACCA. I'M CALLING ABOUT CASE, UM, 20 26 0 13 AT FOUR 18 FLORIDA STREET. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FOR THE HEARING ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2026. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'M VERY EXCITED BY THE PROPOSITION OF THIS PROPERTY, AND I THINK THAT THE SPACE IS SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY WILL ENJOY, UM, ESPECIALLY IN COMPARISON [00:30:01] TO THE OTHER PROPOSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. I VIEWED AN INITIAL LANDSCAPING PLAN AND MY ONLY COMMENT TO THE ARCHITECT WAS TO HAVE TALL PLANS ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROP AS A WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, AS A BUFFER DUE TO THE GRADING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS LOT AND THE LOTS NEXT DOOR. HE WAS VERY RECEPTIVE TO MY COMMENTS, UM, AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO OUR HOUSE. THANK YOU. BYE. MORNING. I'M MELISSA SPINALL, REPRESENTING THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR CASE NUMBER 0 1 3. ITEM SEVEN, ADDRESS 4 1 8 FLORIDA, 3 1 9 EAST CAROLINA STREET. THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROPOSAL PROVIDED THE APPLICANT ACCEPTS AND INCORPORATES ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH ADEQUATELY ADDRESS OUR PRIMARY CONCERN. WE HAVE MET WITH THE ARCHITECT TO DISCUSS THE IMPORTANCE OF ENSURING THAT THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE WITH ITS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT AND THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREA. WE APPRECIATE THE WEST FACING ORIENTATION THAT ADDRESSES THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ENCOURAGES PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCESS. WE LIKE THE COVERED AND UNCOVERED OUTDOOR SEATING AND OPEN SPACE, WHICH WE ANTICIPATE WILL BE WELL USED. AND WE'VE REQUESTED SIDEWALKS ON ALL THREE APPROACH SITES. WE HAVE ALSO REQUESTED CLEAR AND CAREFUL SIGNAGE TO INDICATE ONE-WAY STREET APPROACHES AND TO IDENTIFY DESIGNATED BIKE PATHS. AS THIS BLOCK EXPERIENCES A HIGH VOLUME OF WRONG WAY DRIVING, WE FIND THE WEST AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS TO BE STARK AND HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE PLACEMENT OF DUMPSTERS. WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILING, VEGETATION FACADE, GREENING AND PUBLIC ART TO ACTIVATE THE WEST ELEVATION AS A PROMINENT GATEWAY TO, AND ALSO TO SOFTEN THE VISUAL IMPACT AND IMPROVED COMPATIBILITY OF THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH ADJACENT FRONT FACING HOMES. WE REQUESTED ENHANCED SCREENING OF THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, INCLUDING EVERGREEN VEGETATION TO MINIMIZE YEAR-ROUND VISIBILITY FROM ADJACENT HOMES. AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, THE ARCHITECT HAS MET WITH BOTH HOMEOWNERS IMMEDIATELY WET TO THE SITE TO DISCUSS FENCING AND BUFFERING, AND WE ENCOURAGE THAT THOSE HOMEOWNERS NEEDS ARE MET. IF PARKING IS FOUND TO EXCEED THE NEED FOR THESE COMMERCIAL USES, FEWER SPACES MIGHT PRESERVE MORE OF THE WEST BUFFER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. IT'S ALL OVER VOICEMAIL. THANK YOU, SIR. SO I'M GONNA GO IN ORDER TO SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. SO, UM, WE'LL START WITH OUR VIRTUAL APPLICANTS. UM, COMMISSIONER AVADA, NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER SNO. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. YES, SIR. UH, THE, UM, IN GENERAL THE PROJECT IS, IS IT SEEMS TO BE, UH, A, A REALLY GOOD BENEFIT TO THE ENVIRONMENT THERE. UM, BUT WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE DESIGN OF THE FACADE THAT'S FACING THE HIGHWAY, IT SEEMS THAT THAT, UH, OF ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A BACK, THIS WOULD BE A BUILDING THAT WOULD, UH, KIND OF FOLLOW THE RULE THAT THERE'S, THAT THERE IS NO BACK IN DESIGN. RIGHT? SO, JUST, JUST WONDER ARE ARE Y'ALL OPEN TO, UM, CONSIDERING, UH, A STRONGER EXAGGERATION OF LINES, EXAGGERATION OF YOUR, OF YOUR, UH, INS AND OUTS, SHADOW LINES, UH, UM, SOMETHING THAT MAKES, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BACK MUCH MORE EXAGGERATED? I MEAN, ASIDE FROM A MURAL, BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU HAD A MURAL, YOU'D, THERE'D STILL HAVE TO BE SOME TREATMENT OF THE, THE, THE SPACE THAT MEETS THE MURAL. I MEAN, JUST IN GENERAL, ARE Y'ALL OPEN TO YEAH, SO THE MURALS WITHIN LIKE A BIG FACADE OF BRICK AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO HAVE UTILITIES THAT WILL SERVE, UM, THESE TENANTS. SO WE'LL HAVE, UM, THE GAS AND THEN THE ELECTRIC GUTTER, WHICH WE'RE PROVIDING ON ADDING A SCREEN WITH A LOT OF, UM, VY THAT WILL GROW FROM THAT. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL HIDE, UM, MOST OF THAT. UM, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS ADD MAYBE A ADDITIONAL MASONRY AT THE TOP. 'CAUSE YOU PROBABLY WON'T SEE THE BOTTOM WITH THE UTILITIES AND THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE'LL BE PROVIDING. WELL SEE THAT WE'LL MM-HMM . AND THAT'S PART OF, I I I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT IS EARLY ENOUGH BECAUSE THAT IT'S A, IT'S A MAJOR FACADE YES. UH, ON THAT, ON THAT STRETCH. YES. AND I KNOW IT WAS A GAS STATION BEFORE AND IT WAS A VERY UGLY THING. THIS IS DEFINITELY, UH, A A HUNDRED STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND, AND FOR THE MOST PART IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT, BUT, UM, AT, AT THE EARLY STAGE THAT IT IS, UM, IT SEEMS THAT THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF WORK DONE TO THAT 2 81 FACADE. OKAY. WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE [00:35:01] ON THE, ON THAT TOP ELEVATION SO WE CAN KIND OF, SO IT'S NOT SO BLINK. UM, YEAH. SO WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. THANK YOU VICE CHAIR ZER. UH, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. I'LL HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, SO I MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION. YES. UM, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO STAFF AND, UH, MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND ADDRESSING ALL OF THEIR CONCERNS. UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE HOW Y'ALL DEVELOP YOUR DETAILS, WHICH IS THE, UH, WHERE ALL THE, UH, KEY ELEMENTS WILL, WILL SHINE FORTH, UM, ESPECIALLY THE, THE EAST FACADE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED THAT NEEDS FURTHER ARTICULATION. UH, SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED IN, UH, THE DRC IS, UM, THE SIGNAGE ON THE WEST FACADE AND, UH, CAREFUL STUDY OF THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE AND THE LIGHTING AND HOW IT MAY OR MAY NOT IMPACT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. YES. UM, AND THEN, UH, AS YOU PROBABLY HEARD MY, MY LITTLE RANT PREVIOUSLY ABOUT MECHANICAL SCREENING OF ALL THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT. OH YEAH. WE'LL BE PROVIDING A SCREEN AROUND ALL THAT. SO THAT'LL BE IN THE CDS FOR Y'ALL TO APPROVE THE, THE PROPER HEIGHT. OKAY. AND, UH, THEN I ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, AS YOU DEVELOP THE PLANS AND, AND ADDRESSING ALL OF THESE ISSUES TO REACH OUT TO STAFF AND, AND REQUEST ANOTHER DRC. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, CONTINUE THESE DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER GUEVARA, ANY COMMENTS, SIR? NO COMMENT, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. I HAVE NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ZUKA, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SABINO? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COMMENT MM-HMM . AND THAT IS, AS I TAKE THE LONG VIEW OF THE HISTORY OF THIS PRO, UH, PROPERTY MM-HMM . UM, ON THIS VERY CHALLENGING SITE AND SEEING EVERY PROPOSAL THAT HAS COME FORWARD IN THE PAST FEW YEARS AND KNOWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I WANNA COMMEND YOU ALL ON YOUR PROGRESS. THANK YOU. AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF THE WORK. THANK YOU. WE'RE EXCITED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, I, I, I GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THE PROPOSAL, IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. UM, BUT I, I'LL LOOK TOWARD, UH, THAT, UM, THAT EAST FACING FACADE YES. TO, TO NOT, NOT BE IN A DIFFERENT BUILDING, BUT, BUT EXAGGERATING WHAT REALLY SHOULD BE A, A STRONG PART OF THE, THE DESIGN CHALLENGE. MM-HMM . I MEAN PARTICULARLY THE, THE WAY THE, THE DOOR IS TREATED LIKE, LIKE THERE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE BACK OF A BUILDING AND THAT DOOR LOOKS LIKE THE DOOR IN THE BACK OF A, OF A BUILDING. IT SHOULDN'T, UH, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT, THAT, UM, THAT SECTION THERE THAT'S HOLDING THE MURAL TO, TO UH, UH, SIT THAT MURAL A LITTLE BIT MORE GRACEFULLY AND, AND POSSIBLY, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HEIGHT THINGS THAT CAN EXAGGERATE THIS SO THAT IN THE END YOU END UP WITH A BUILDING THAT HAS NO, NO, TECHNICALLY BACK. YEAH. RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS A, THAT IS A FRONT, WHETHER, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, IT'S A FRONT, NOT, MAYBE NOT THE FRONT. SO, UH, UM, WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO SOME, SOME STRONGER DESIGN WORK ON THAT BACK. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. VICE PROFESSOR, FINAL WORDS. UM, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, HOW YOU DEVELOP IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MAYOR, ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. DIVA. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 0 2 0 2 1 1 4 [00:40:02] WEST WE SATCH AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A DETACHED 154 SQUARE FOOT ALUMINUM AND POLYCARBONATE CARPORT AT THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE LOT. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO INSTALL A DETACHED 154 SQUARE FOOT ALUMINUM AND POLYCARBONATE CARPORT AT THE NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE LOT. STAFF FINDS A CARPORT DESIGNED OF MORE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. I AM UNSURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY. THE APPLICANT, UM, IS NOT HERE WITH US TODAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO, UM, BEING THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, WE'LL, UM, TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED ON AS WE NORMALLY WOULD. APPLICANT WAS HERE. SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS CASE? SO I'LL START OFF WITH COMMISSIONER GEVA. I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE GO. QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. HDRC AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CASE 2026 DASH 20 21 14 WEST ATCH. MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER. OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MPA BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 1. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. THE PROPOSED CANTILEVER SINGLE CAR STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTED OF POLYCARBONATE PANELS IS INCONGRUENT WITH THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. WHILE THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IN THE EXISTING GARAGE ARE NOT PROVIDED, THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED SINGLE CAR CARPORT IS INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE AND IS NOT RESPECTFUL OF THE EXISTING GARAGE HEIGHT ROOF LINES AND MATCHING A TRADITIONAL CARPORT WITH MATERIALS WHICH RELATE TO THE HISTORIC HOME WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO GOING BACK TO QUESTIONS. UM, I HEARD YOU, COMMISSIONER AVADA THAT YOU HAD OTHER NO QUESTIONS. UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS AND I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. UM, I'M GONNA GO AROUND, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO, UM, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MOOKA. NO QUESTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. NO QUESTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. UH, SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF, IF A OF A, AN ASSEM LIKE THIS HAD, LIKE A BREAKAWAY CONNECTOR AT THE BOTTOM, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED, UM, UH, DIFFERENT THAN, UH, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS ROOTED IN THE GROUND? NO, I MEAN, WE'RE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T REGULATE IS LIKE A POP-UP TENT THAT YOU COULD PICK UP AND WALK AWAY WITH. THIS IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, SO WE COUNT IT AS CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. BUT THE, THE REASON I ASK CORY IS BECAUSE IF, IF IT HAD A, A BREAKAWAY CONNECTOR, THEN IT, IT MOST DEFINITELY COULD QUALIFY AS NOT BEING A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO I'M SAYING IT WOULD QUALIFY AS PERMANENT. WE DO CONSIDER SOME THINGS AS IMPERMANENT AND NOT SUBJECT TO A COA, BUT THOSE ARE LIMITED TO THINGS LIKE A POPUP CANOPY THAT YOU CAN, A PERSON COULD PICK UP AND PHYSICALLY MOVE THIS, THIS WOULD, EVEN IF IT'S BREAKAWAY, IT STILL REQUIRES THE FOOTING. AND SO IT'S CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU CORY. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR FETZER. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU, I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION PLEASE. I MOVE TO, UH, MOVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, UM, SINCE MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE, I THINK I, A STAFF HAS A RIGHT ON THIS AND, UH, ALSO THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY SEEN AND WE, I THINK IT'S MISSING SOME INFORMATION. IT STILL GIVES THE OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN AND STILL GET A COURT BOARD. YEP. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP CHAIR. I JUST SURE, GO AHEAD, SIR. WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT LOOKING AT THE OVERALL SITE, THE HOUSE, THE GARAGE, AND LOOKING AT, AT WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US WITH RESPECT TO THE COST OF THIS, IT, IT MAY BE THAT, THAT THIS IS, UH, A PRICE POINT THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE. IF IT WAS A STRUCTURE THAT MOST DEFINITELY WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REMOVABLE, SOMETHING THAT WAS REVERSIBLE, THEN PERHAPS IT HELPS MORE THAN IT HURTS. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A CATALOG [00:45:01] PIECE THAT'S IN LINE WITH LIKE THE OLD SEARS CATALOG HOUSES ONLY THIS IS TODAY. UH, SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, THAT I, I I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF ALLOWING SOMETHING LIKE THIS CONSIDERING IT'S NOT SEEN FROM THE STREET, THE, THE WHERE IT SITS IN THE LOT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'M SIGNED ON A MOTION OF ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINA. AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES. NO. HOLLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER NINE ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 0 2 5 1 2 2 EAST HOUSTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NUMBER 1 1 36 SQUARE FOOT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS SIGN READING INSOMNIA, COOKIES WITH LOGO AND ONE FOUR SQUARE FOOT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED BLADE SIGN AT EXISTING SIGNBOARD. NUMBER TWO, INSTALL THREE LED NEON SIGNS, TWO AT THE PRIMARY WINDOWS AND ONE AT THE RECESSED ENTRY AMOUNTING TO APPROXIMATELY 10 SQUARE FEET. NUMBER THREE, INSTALL VARIOUS FINAL GRAPHICS AMOUNTING TO APPROXIMATELY 40 SQUARE FEET. NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL 1 36 SQUARE FOOT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN READING INSOMNIA, COOKIES WITH LOGO AND ONE ILLUMINATED BLADE SIGN AT EXISTING SIGN BOARD WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT USES A REVERSE LIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN FOR THE SIGN READING INSOMNIA COOKIES AND ASSOCIATED LOGO THAT THE BLADE SIGN DOES NOT FEATURE OVERALL ILLUMINATION OF THE CABINET FACE AND INSTEAD FEATURE PUNCH THROUGH ILLUMINATION OF LETTERS OR OTHER KEY FEATURES. NUMBER TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO INSTALL THREE LED NEON SIGNS. UH, THE USE OF NEON OR LED MAY BE APPROPRIATE PROVIDED IT IS USED IN A DESIGN THAT COMPLIMENTS THE OVERALL SIGNAGE PACKAGE AND MEETS ALL OF ALL OTHER GUIDELINES REGARDING WINDOW COVERAGE AND NUMBER OF SIGNS. NUMBER THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL VINYL GRAPHICS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE OVERALL WINDOW COVERAGE OF THE VINYL GRAPHICS DOES NOT EXCEED 30% WINDOW COVERAGE. STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT NEW DRAWINGS REFLECTING THE ABOVE STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A COA. AND WE HAVE GREG BURQUETTE WITH APEX SIGNS HERE TODAY. STATE YOUR NAME. YEAH, THANK YOU. UH, GREG BURQUETTE WITH APEX SIGN GROUP 72 0 8 SOUTH WW WHITE ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UM, THE APPLICATION THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE HISTORIC HERE IS WHAT THEY NORMALLY USE AS THEIR BRANDING GUIDELINES FOR ALL THEIR STORES AROUND THE COUNTRY. UM, THE REQUEST IS FOR A, UH, FACELIFT CHANNEL LETTER WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT ALONG WITH THE FAE NEON GRAPHICS IN THE WINDOW. ALL OF THOSE ARE VERY CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PARTICULAR TENANT AND BUSINESS. AGAIN, IT DOES MATCH BASICALLY THEIR BRANDING GUIDELINES THAT THEY USE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND, UH, WHAT THEY HAVE AT MOST OF THEIR SITES. IS THAT IT SIR? SORRY, I WAS SAYING IS THAT IT? YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN TELL. I MEAN, THEY, THEY PRESENTED THIS, THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE AND THEY WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IT. UM, I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE OPPOSED TO ANY OF THE CHANGES REQUESTED, BUT, UH, THE WINDOW GRAPHICS WHERE THEY CAN COMPLY WITH THAT, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR THE, UH, FAUX WINDOW NEON AND THEN THE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTERS FOR BOTH THE FLAG MOUNT AND THE, UH, FACELIFT STOREFRONT LETTERS. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. SO, UM, WE'LL GO AROUND FIRST WITH QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER GEVA QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT. SO YOU SAID YOU ARE LOOKING INTO FAUX NEON FOR THE WINDOWS? I'M SORRY, YOU SAID THERE ARE GONNA BE NON NEONS LED SIGNS? WELL, NO, THESE LED SIGNS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A A FAUX NEON. THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LED AND THEY'RE LOW VOLTAGE, SO THEY'RE SAFER AT, UH, HAND GROUND LEVEL. BUT THESE ARE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY USED TO MIMIC NEON, BUT THEY ARE LED. OKAY. SO BECAUSE STAFF IS SAYING THEY DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THEM, BUT THE USE OF [00:50:01] NEON OLED MAY BE APPROPRIATE. YEAH, THAT'S A, THE SIGN IS A SIMULATED NEON LOOK, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY LED MADE TO LOOK LIKE NEON AND IT'S YOUR STEREOTYPICAL OLD FASHIONED NEON WINDOW SIGNS THAT READ OPEN. BUT INSTEAD OF USING NEON, IT IS A MIMICKED, UH, REPRESENTATION OF, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN WITH THE NOT RECOMMENDING, BUT YOU IS, ARE YOU PROPOSING ON TURN? SURE. SO, UM, THE GUIDELINES REALLY TALK ABOUT THE USE OF NEON, UM, BEING USED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT CONTRIBUTES TO MAYBE THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SIGNAGE PACKAGE. UM, A GOOD EXAMPLE I GUESS WOULD BE, UM, DIRECTLY NEXT TO THIS SUITE. THERE'S A NEW SHOP THAT USED NEON IN THAT PARTICULAR WAY. UH, WE GENERALLY FIND, UM, THAT THE WAY THE PHONE NEON IS USED HERE, UM, ISN'T NECESSARILY CONTRIBUTING TO THE OVERALL SIGNAGE PACKAGE OR ARCHITECTURE OF THE SUITE ITSELF. I, WHEN I HEAR THAT I KIND OF UNDER, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT. WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? I GUESS IT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY STANDARD SIGNS, RIGHT? THE OPEN AND WE DELIVER. SO LET ME CONTINUE WITH THE QUESTIONS I UNDERSTAND NOW. AND THEN, UM, SO YOU SAID THE APPLICANT, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS, BUT DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING, UM, REGARDING THE REVERSE LIT CHANNEL? SO WE CAN COME DRUG COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL BE THE LOGO AND ALL THE DESIGN, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE REVERSE FLIPPED. I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I MEAN, TO GET SOMETHING APPROVED, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT FOR THIS POINT IN TIME, THE REFERENCE IS TO GO AND ASK FOR WHAT THEY USE AS A NATIONAL BRANDING GUIDELINE AND WHAT THEIR STANDARD SIGN PACKAGE IS. I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE THESE TYPE LETTERS. DOWNTOWN WHATABURGER IS A CLASSIC CASE THEY'RE SIGNING, BUT IT'S THE WAY THAT THEY'RE LIT THAT THE THEY'RE FACE LIT IS ASKING FOR, IT'S NOT SO MUCH TO SIGN. YEAH, THERE ARE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTERS ALL DOWNTOWN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. OKAY, BUT SO YOU HAVEN'T DIS LIKE IT WOULD KEEP THAT SAME DESIGN. YOU HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THE OPTION NO. OR YOU HAVE, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOT GO WITH THAT. RIGHT. THE PREFERENCE IS, IS PRESENTED RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU AS THE FACELIFT CHANNEL LETTERS. OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, SIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MOOKA. NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND FOR QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, WHAT'S THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF INSOMNIA COOKIES? WHERE, WHAT OTHER CITIES AND STATES ARE THEY IN? OH, I MEAN WE WE'RE FORTUNATELY DOING THEM, UH, ON, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FOOTPRINT. THE, THE TRUTH IS THEY'RE NOT MY, I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS OF APEX SIGN GROUP, SO I HAVE A SALES REP THAT HANDLES THAT ACCOUNT AND PMS, BUT I CAN JUST LOOK ON OUR PROJECT, UH, SHEET OF OF JOBS AND I THINK LAST YEAR WE DID 25 OF THEM. MOST OF THEM ARE AROUND UNIVERSITIES AND CAMPUSES, BUT THEY WERE EXPANDING OUTSIDE OF THAT. UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S A COUPLE HERE IN TOWN ALREADY. ONE OF THEM IS NOT FAR FROM, UH, ON TEX DRIVE OFF OF, UH, I 10, UH, ACTUALLY I THINK, UH, WARS BLOCK PARKWAY SCOTT ONE. SO THEY ARE, AND THEY TYPICALLY ARE, THEY WOULD EITHER BE IN A, NEAR A CAMPUS OR IN A TYPICAL STRIP CENTER RETAIL, UH, PLACE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I, THE REASON I WAS ASKING WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS I JUST, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU GO INTO A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR SOME, SOME DISTRICT WITH SOME GUIDELINES THAT, THAT INSOMNIA, COOKIES CORPORATE IS GOING TO HAVE SOME ALTERNATE SIGNAGE OR, UM, SOME SORT OF OTHER LOGO TREATMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE. SO I REALLY WONDERING IF THIS WAS A ONE OFFER IF THESE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. NO, NO. THIS IS NOT A ONE-OFF LOCATION. THEY ARE A, A CHAIN THAT ARE GROWING QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY. YEAH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION. SURE. UM, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES SIR. SIR. UM, I IMAGINE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR, UH, CUSTOMER, UM, WITH THE SCALE OF THE AREA THAT'S BEING COVERED HERE. THE, THE SIGNAGE, IT, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATELY PLACED, THE SCALE OF IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD WORK, EVEN THE WINDOW SIGNS, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE WAVES, THE, THE VINYL WAVES, I GUESS THEY'RE BIOGRAPHICS. YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING, THE MIRRORED GLASS, IT GETS REALLY CRAZY. IT, IT JUST, IT JUST LOOKS WRONG. IT LOOKS INAPPROPRIATE. IT [00:55:01] MAKES THE THING ALL THAT'S BEING ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE SIGNAGE THAT JUST CONFUSES THE HECK OUT OF IT. YOU, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN SEE IS INSOMNIA COOKIE, EVEN WARM COOKIE DELIVERED THAT. UH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE MIMICKING IS THE, UH, SMELL EFFECT OFF THE WARM COOKIES. WELL, I IF, IF, IF, IF INDEED WHAT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT YOU WOULD GO TALK TO THEM AND COME BACK, UM, PERHAPS THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE UP THE WAVE TO, TO REMOVE THE MONOTONY AND TO ALLOW THE, THE SIGNAGE TO, TO DO WHAT IT DOES. IT STARTS TO LOOK BALANCED OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER THE GUIDELINES ARE. IT AT LEAST STARTS TO LOOK LIKE A BALANCED CELL. UH, BUT WITH THE WAVES THERE, IT MAKES EVERYTHING, IT'S HARD TO EVEN SEE HOW ANY OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE. JUST IF YOU TAKE THAT BACK TO THAT MAKES SENSE TO THEM. WELL, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO THEM IF THEY WERE IN A MALL AND IT WAS PERHAPS EVERYTHING WAS MODERN, THEY WEREN'T IN A HISTORIC CONTEXT OR THEY WERE IN A COLLEGE ENVIRONMENT AND, AND THERE WAS A BURGER KING NEXT TO IT AND ALL THAT. BUT, UH, BETWEEN THOSE TWO LIMESTONE OR CONCRETE CASTING PLACE COLUMNS AND THAT, THAT GLASS WITH THAT REFLECTIVITY THAT IT HAS, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT ACHIEVES THAT IT'S, IT'S THE SMELL OF A COOKIE. IT, IT, IT LOOKS MORE LIKE IT'S A, A COMPUTER THAT SOMEBODY PUT THEIR FINGER ON AND IT JUST KEPT TYPING. SO MAYBE IF, IF, IF YOU COULD TELL 'EM, LET, LET THEM, LET THEM ASK THEM IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO GIVE THAT UP. PERHAPS WHEN YOU COME BACK, MAYBE THERE'S SOME BETTER NEGOTIATING THAT CAN, CAN OCCUR THERE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. IF VICE ZER, NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION NOW. COMMISSIONER SABINO, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE DENY ITEM NUMBER TWO AND APPROVE ITEM NUMBER THREE, ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, SECOND SPEND, MOVE THE MOVED IM PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, YEAH, I, UM, TO MY COLLEAGUES, UM, COMMENT, THE, THE SCALE AND THE GRAPH, THE DESIGN OF THE INSOMNIA COOKIES IS RIGHT, THE BLADE SIGN IS RIGHT. IT REALLY IS EYE CATCHING IN THAT, UM, UM, FACADE. UM, HOWEVER, AND ALSO HOWEVER THE, UM, TO THE, TO THE NEON SIGN PORTION, I COMPLETELY AGREE. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WHEN WE THINK OF NEON AND NEON IS USED IN A HISTORIC SETTING, IT'S THE STRUCTURAL ASPECT OF NEON THAT RELATES TO THE BUILDING'S FACADE VERSUS JUST BEING USED AS A TYPEFACE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE NEWER LED PRODUCED NEON SIGNAGE. SO YOU COULD DO THAT SIGNAGE IN ANY OTHER TYPEFACE TO THE GRAPHICS. UM, I THINK IT'S REASONABLE. ALL OF THESE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS MADE ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES DOWNTOWN. IT'S VERY TYPICAL. THIS IS NOT REALLY AN ATYPICAL CONDITION. THIS IS VERY TYPICAL. UM, YOU DID MENTION THE, UM, THE OPTIMISM OF THE, THE COMPANY AND THEY'RE DOING WELL AND THEY'RE, UM, THEY HAVE NEW, UH, NEW LOCATIONS AND I THINK THEY WILL FIND THAT THIS LOCATION MIGHT BE THE KEY TO THEIR SUCCESS RATHER THAN, THAN JUST SIMPLY THE GRAPHICS. THE, THE LOCATION IS WHAT WILL BE REALLY UNIQUE AND, AND, UH, SUCCESSFUL FOR THEM. SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT MY MOTION IS BASED ON. THANK YOU. I'LL GO AROUND FOR ONE FINAL ROUND. UM, COMMISSIONER AVADA, ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND TO THE APPLICANT. I THINK, I THINK THE LIGHTING IS WHERE I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT HERE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT IF THE DESIGN IS CORRECT OR NOT. UM, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE DOWNTOWN AND THAT WHATABURGER SIGN THAT HAS THE LED, THERE'S A LOT OF LED INSIDE THE BUILDING, SO MAYBE THAT HELPS. I GUESS I HAD JUST ONE LAST QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S INSOMNIA COOKIES. DOES THAT MEAN IT'S OPEN 24 7? I GUESS SO. AGAIN, I, I'LL BE HONEST, I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ONE. I TRY, I TRY NOT, I TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM, IS GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT. I TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM CRUMBLE COOKIES, INSOMNIA, BUNK CAKES, ALL THAT STUFF. WELL, AT LEAST I'M GONNA GO ON THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT I WANNA STAY AWAY FROM THAT STUFF. ? WELL I HAVE HAD THEIR, I HAVE HAD THEIR COOKIES AND THEY'RE VERY GOOD. SO RELATED TO THE SIGN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALSO KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LIGHTING BECAUSE OF THAT, WHEN IT WILL BE OPEN AND WHATNOT. SO, UM, THE BRIGHT LIGHTING RIGHT DOWN IN THE RIVERSIDE, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? [01:00:01] NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES, UH, VERY QUICKLY. SO, AND THIS IS PROBABLY MOSTLY THE STAFF, STAFF IF THIS GOES THROUGH, IS HE LOCKED INTO THIS DESIGN OR DOES THE, OR DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A CHANCE TO GO BACK TO CORPORATE AND MAYBE DO, UH, DO SOME REDESIGN? UH, LIKE ONE OF THE OTHER GUYS, I FORGET WHO IT WAS THAT SUGGESTED IT, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR SOME ADJUSTMENT. WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS GOES THROUGH, RIGHT? SO, UM, FOR SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT LOOK LIKE THAT WILL BE DENIED, I THINK THAT THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO RETHINK THAT AND COME BACK. MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS HAS TYPICALLY BEEN, SO YEAH, I GUESS MY COMMENT THEN WOULD BE TO THE APPLICANT, SIR, I'D REALLY, UH, RECOMMEND YOU KIND OF GET A LITTLE MORE, UH, UH, DETAIL ON, YOU KNOW, THE COMPANY AND, AND WHAT THEIR CORPORATE, UH, HEADQUARTERS SAYS ABOUT ALTERNATE LOGOS AND HOW TO HAVE IT FIT INTO THE, TO THE ENVIRONMENT HERE. UM, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I, I, I JUST HOPING YOU CAN KIND OF REACH OUT TO THEM AND GET A LITTLE MORE, A LITTLE MORE DESIGN INPUT AND KIND OF HASH THIS OUT. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SINO FURTHER. OH, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. UM, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION BUT JUST TO GO SHOW YOU HOW, UH, DIFFERENT EVERYBODY THINKS. I WOULD REVERSE TWO AND THREE IF IT WAS UP TO ME, BUT EITHER WAY, UH, UM, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. VICE THAT, SIR. NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. GIDA. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. HOLLAND. AYE. BETS? AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 10 HAS BEEN POSTPONED. THIS IS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA. WE ARE ADJOURNED. HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.