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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.THE TIME IS DOWN 3:00 PM I'D LIKE THE CALL ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.
HERE GALLOWAY PRESENT, MOOKA GUEVARA.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAKI OF CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS A CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, THIS SATURDAY WE HAVE OUR NEXT INSTALLMENT OF THE PRESERVATION ACADEMY SERIES.
UM, EDWARD, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.
AND SO THIS IS A, UH, RECURRING EDUCATIONAL, UH, SERIES.
THIS MONTH'S SESSION IS ABOUT FINANCING AND REHAB.
AND SO WE HAVE A GUEST SPEAKER FROM FIRST MARK CREDIT UNION, UM, THAT WILL SHOW YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, FOR HOMEOWNERS, UM, DOING A SUBSTANTIAL REHAB OR, OR EVEN MINOR WORK.
UM, SO THAT IS A FREE CLASS IN THIS ROOM AT 10:00 AM ON SATURDAY, THERE'LL BE BREAKFAST, TACOS, COFFEE.
UM, AND WITH THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH IS FEBRUARY 4TH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 4TH, 2026.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED IN PROPERLY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
OKAY, MOVING ON TO THE AGENDA.UM, WE'VE GOT A SHORT ONE TODAY.
UH, WE JUST HAVE THREE ITEMS ON CONSENT AND NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU.
DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA HEARING DONE? MAY I HAVE A I WOULD, OH, I'M SORRY.
I'D LIKE TO PULL, UM, CASE THREE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, MR. CHAIR? YES SIR.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHERS, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDAS WOULD BE ITEM ONE AND TWO WITH, UH, ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON AYE.
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MOTION CARRIES.IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 100 NORTH MAIN OR FOR 18 V UH, FOR THE FILE HOUSE, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT, DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF, YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER.
WE'LL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
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COMMISSIONERS, UH, I'LL PULL UP, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE NOW, UH, FOUR 18 VTA, THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT, THE APPLICANT AND ARCHITECT, UH, MARK NAVARRO'S HERE IN PERSON.I WILL NOTE WE DO HAVE, UH, AN UPDATED PACKET, UM, THAT I'LL ALSO PULL UP, BUT MARK WILL PROBABLY WANNA SPEAK ON THAT.
CAN THE APPLICANT PLEASE DEVOTE TO THE PODIUM? INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
HELLO? I JUST HAD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UH, ONE IS, UM, THE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, UM, I THINK THAT THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE WINDOWS HAVING, UM, YES.
TO MAKE THEM MORE PROPORTIONATE TO THE REST OF THE, THE WINDOWS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS OCCURRED? RIGHT.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE SERVICE DOOR ON THE WEST ELEVATION, UM, THAT IS JUST A METAL DOOR, IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS IT LIKE A FLUSH, A FLUSH DOOR? UM, OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION MR. CHAIR, PLEASE, SIR.
MOTION TO APPROVE AS UH, SUBMITTED WITH THE, UM, UPGRADES WITH ALL STEP STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE, GARCIA? AYE.
I HAVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS HDRC CASE 2025 DASH 3 53 FOR 5 25 MISSION STREET.
SO FOR THE REQUEST, THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 DASH 6 0 8 G TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED FURTHER REQUEST NOTED BELOW IN REQUEST ITEM TWO TWO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 720 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED CARPORT FEATURING ALLWOOD CONSTRUCTION AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE APPROVAL OF A WAIVER TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW A SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION UNDER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 DASH 6 0 8 G.
BASED ON FINDINGS, C AND D STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE CARPORT FEATURES ALL WOOD CONSTRUCTION WITH SQUARE SIX BY SIX WOOD COLUMNS AND TWO BY SIX ROOF RAFTERS AND ALL STRUCTURE OF ELEMENTS TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A SANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH OR STANDARD GAL BLOOM FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORION.
RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCHER CRIMP RIDGE CONFIGURATION, NO VENTED RIDGE CAP.
END CAP ALLOWED AND INSPECTION, UH, MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOF MATERIALS MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS.
AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF NECESSARY.
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LETTER IN YOUR PACKET FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE ONLINE OR IN PERSON.I DID NOT RECEIVE A CONFIRMATION, SO I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, SO, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CASE.
APPLICANT'S NOT HERE, BUT WE'LL CUT, PROCEED FORWARD.
UM, QUESTIONS GOOD SIR? FOR, FOR STAFF, UH, I'M NOTICING THAT, THAT IT'S NOT A GABLED ROOF, IT'S A FLAT ROOF THAT'S PROPOSED AND UM, THE PITCH IS GOING TOWARD THE REAR.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE VISUAL OF THE STANDING SEAM, ARE YOU IN ANY WAY REQUESTING THAT THE STANDING SEAM IS SLOPED TOWARD THE FRONT SO THAT THERE'S A VISUAL OF THE STANDING SEAM OR THEY'RE FINE SLOPED TO THE BACK? SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING IT TO BE SLOPED FORWARD, SIR.
AND THEN, AND I IMAGINE THAT, THAT, THAT YOUR, YOUR REQUEST FOR THE CRIMP IS, UH, WOULD, WOULD ALSO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PITCH OF THE ROOF.
UH, JUST THAT'S GENERAL LANGUAGE.
UM, IDEALLY THERE WOULDN'T BE A CRIMP IF THERE'S NOT A RIDGE.
UM, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THEY DO NEED TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINE MAINLY WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A LARGE RIDGE CAP.
THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FETZER? YES.
UM, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, WHICH IS A WAIVER TO, UH, REVIEW THE NEW APPLICATION CONSIDERING THE, UH, THE FACT THAT THE DESIGN HAS CHANGED IN MATERIALS.
SECOND, ITS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
UM, ALRIGHT, I SEE NO DISCUSSION FROM ANYONE HERE, SO, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? IN AYE, GARCIA? AYE.
AND COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, ARE YOU ONLINE? YES, MY VOTE IS YES.
WELL, SO WELL WE NEED TO DEAL WITH ITEM TWO.
I'M SORRY, YOU APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER.
UM, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, UH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAD MADE, UH, LAST TIME AND THE, UH, COMMISSION HAD, UH, AGREED WITH, HAVE BEEN MET WITH THIS NEW APPLICATION.
SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROBABLY SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.
UM, ALMA, WITH THE CITY OFFICE CAN, UM, BE ON CAMERA? I, I AM ON CAMERA.
CAN YOU NOT SEE ME? NO, WE CAN'T SEE YOU.
HANG ON, LET ME TRY AND STOP THE VIDEO AND RESTART IT AGAIN.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 4 DASH 4 0 7 4 18 EAST LOCUST.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FINAL MATERIAL SELECTION FOR THE APPROVED NEW CONSTRUCTION AT FOUR 18 EAST LOCUST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WATER FIBER CEMENT VERTICAL SIDING DETAIL THAT IS MENTIONED IN PROFILE TO REPRESENT HISTORIC SIDING WITHIN THE DISTRICT, AND THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS, UM, AND SEEK A VARIANCE IF NECESSARY.
WE DO HAVE ARCHITECT JOSEPH SMITH HERE WITH US TODAY, AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PRIYA AND JOHAN, AND YOU CAN APPROACH THE DAIS.
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THANK YOU, SIR.PLEASE, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN PRESENT YOUR CASE PLEASE.
MY NAME IS JOSEPH SMITH, JS ARCHITECT, ALSO RESIDENT 2013 NORTH ST.
YES, THIS IS, HI, MY NAME'S JEFF PATEL.
THE PERSPECTIVE ON, UH, IT AGAIN, UH, Y'ALL'S TIME IN REVIEWING THIS CASE.
UH, SO WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS THE STEER MATERIALS, THE, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN METAL SIDING IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND BLUE, THE CONCRETE, UH, BOARD AND BATTEN SYSTEM.
THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED BY HDRC, UH, 2213 NORTH ST.
MARY'S, WHICH HAS A STAINING SCENE.
I SHOW THIS ONE, THIS PHOTOGRAPH WAS TAKEN THIS MORNING.
I KNOW WHEN THE DRC THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT OIL CANNING OF THE METAL PRODUCT.
UM, THESE PICTURES WERE ALL TAKEN THIS MORNING AT THE SAME TIME.
AGAIN, METAL EXPANDS CONTRACTS, SO IF YOU WILL HAVE DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY WHERE, UH, METAL WILL SHOW MORE SIGNS OF OIL CANNING.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I SHOW THIS PICTURE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A VERY QUALITY PROJECT.
JUST SAYS THIS PROJECT WAS A VERY QUALITY PROJECT AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO STANDING SEAM AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING STANDING SCENE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING A BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH THE SAMPLE IS BEING PASSED AROUND.
SO THAT'S A PRODUCT THAT IS MADE SPECIFICALLY TO REPLICATE BOARD AND BATTEN SITING.
UM, THE ADVANTAGES AGAIN, IS MADE OUT OF METAL RECYCLABLE AT A, YOU KNOW, 30 YEAR, UH, WARRANTY ON THE FINISH.
AND THE PANEL LENGTH IS UP TO, UH, 30 FEET SO WE CAN GET THE WHOLE HEIGHT OUT OF THE PANEL AS OPPOSED TO A CEMENT BOARD.
BOARD AND BATTEN, WHICH WE KNOW IT COMES IN EIGHT AND 10 FOOT PIECES.
AND I HAVE SOME DIFFERENT PICTURES SHOWING WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE'LL, UM, CALL THE SPEAKERS PLEASE.
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THANK YOU, SIR.AND I'M ALSO VERY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A OWNER OCCUPIED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND TO WONDERFUL SHANE WILL, ROB.
MY NAME IS, UH, FREDERICA KUSHNER.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBIN HILL, AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT SINCE FEBRUARY OF 2025.
DURING THAT TIME, THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE CHANGES MADE TO MEET O-H-P-H-D-R-C GUIDELINES.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED FROM THE BEGINNING WITH THE CHOICE OF STANDING SEAM, METAL SIDING, OR ANY METAL SIDING AND AMASSING AND LOT COVERAGE OF THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION.
WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR WOOD OR FIBER CEMENT, VERTICAL SIDING AND ADHERENCE TO ZONING SET AND SETBACK STANDARDS.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOBIN HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANKS TO OHP STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS PROJECT, AND WE HOPE TO WELCOME THE OWNERS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOON.
UM, THANK YOU FATHER SPEAKERS TODAY.
SO, UM, TODAY WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS.
SO I'LL START WITH MY VIRTUAL APPLICANT AND THEN WE'LL GO ON DOWN THE LINE HERE.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
NO QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT, SIR.
UM, SO WHAT WAS PASSED AROUND HAD LIKE A WOOD GRAIN OR IS THAT JUST TO SHOW THE COLOR AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A WOOD GRAIN? THE SAMPLE, YES.
THAT, THAT SAMPLE ACTUALLY HAS A WOOD GRAIN, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE COLOR, WHICH WOULD BE A SOLID GRAY COLOR.
SO IT WOULD NOT, THAT'S THE SAMPLE OF THE MATERIAL ITSELF, BUT THE COLOR WOULD BE THIS, THIS COLOR.
OKAY, SO IT WON'T HAVE THE WOOD GRAIN.
AND UM, AND IT PROBABLY WAS DISCUSSED AT DRC AND IF NOT, UM, THE COMMISSION
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CAN ANSWER IS WHY ARE YOU ADAMANT ABOUT THE METAL AND NOT THE WOOD OR, OR FIBER CEMENT THE CONCRETE CEMENT BOARD? WELL, AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE MANY EXAMPLES AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE AND IT WAS TOLD, HEY, WELL YOU, YOU'RE SHOWING US BAD EXAMPLES.WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHED A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXAMPLES.
AND I WOULD ARGUE, SHOW ME A GOOD EXAMPLE OF CONCRETE PANEL BOARD AND BATTEN, IT HAS A TRIM PIECE.
SO IF WE GO TO THE, I'M JUST MORE ASKING ABOUT WHY FOR THIS PROPERTY, IS IT THAT A CHOICE? LIKE IS IT BECAUSE WE LOOK AT ALSO JUST SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, IN THE WHOLE CITY THERE ARE EXAMPLES.
BUT LIKE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY.
SO IT, THERE'S NO, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED EVEN JUST CONSIDERING IT THE CEMENT BORDER OR JUST THAT IS THE ONLY CHOICE AND THIS IS THE ONLY MATERIAL YOU'RE NO, SO YES.
SO LIKE, LIKE THE PROJECT ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THOSE HORIZONTAL LINES ON THAT, SO THAT THOSE PANELS COME IN EIGHT FOOT LENGTHS AND THE BATTENS COME IN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY 10 FOOT LENGTHS.
AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT TRIM PIECE AT EVERY EIGHT FEET THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
I THINK IT'S A 30 FOOT WALL, UH, WHERE THE BOARD AND BATTEN IS.
AND SO WE WOULD HAVE CONTINUOUS PANEL ALL THE WAY UP UNBROKEN.
UM, THE CEMENT BOARD AGAIN IS FUEL PAINTED.
IF YOU LOOK AT ALMOST EVERY EXAMPLE OF THEM, AND I HAVE A BUNCH, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT A, A NAIL THROUGH IT, IT CRACKS THE BATTENS QUITE OFTEN.
THE BATTENS RUST OR THE, UH, NAIL THE FASTENERS RUST OVER TIME.
THESE ARE ALL CONCEALED FASTENERS, MUCH CLEANER FINISH.
IT'S A MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE FINISH.
UM, AND JUST OVER THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO UM, IT'S GONNA WEAR BETTER, IT'S GONNA LAST LONGER AND IT'S GONNA LOOK, REPLICATE FRANKLY WHAT A TRADITIONAL BOARD.
AND BATTEN WOULD HAVE LONGER LENGTHS OF MATERIAL.
THEY WOULDN'T BE LEFT WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS UH, SHEET.
THAT'S NOT HOW THEY ORIGINALLY WOULD'VE DONE A BOARD AND BATTEN.
SO I THINK THAT AGAIN, THIS PRODUCT WAS DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY TO JUST IN THE GUIDELINES, IT TALKS ABOUT ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT REPLICATE OLDER MATERIALS.
I MEAN, IT'S STRAIGHT OUTTA THE GUIDELINES.
THIS IS WHAT THIS MATERIAL FRANKLY EXISTS FOR, IS THAT EXACT REASON.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT METAL, YOU KNOW, IS NOT TRADITIONALLY USED, BUT NEITHER IS CONCRETE, NEITHER IS CONCRETE BOARD.
BACK IN THE 1920S, THEY DIDN'T USE IT ON EXTERIOR FINISHES EITHER.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A MATERIAL THAT IS A BETTER STANDARD THAN WHAT IS FRANKLY WHAT Y'ALL ARE ACCEPTING TO THIS DATE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO, NO QUESTIONS FOR ME.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA? UH, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SETBACK.
UH, ARE YOU THE ONE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION? UM, I'M NOT CLEAR ON.
UM, IT SAYS THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, HAVE YOU CHECKED THE ZONING? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURE WITH THE MEASURING TAPE IS ABOUT
WHAT IS THE ACTUAL SET SETBACK? SO WE ACTUALLY MF 33, SO THE SETBACKS ACTUALLY ARE LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE SETBACKS, WE'RE FINE IN TERMS OF ALL THE SETBACK, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE SETBACK FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE ARE BEHIND ABOUT TWO OR THREE FEET TO THE HOUSE TO THE EAST.
AND WE ARE ABOUT AN INCH BEHIND THE HOUSE TO THE WEST.
SO WE MADE A MODIFICATION, UH, BASED SINCE THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE ABOUT SIX INCHES IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE WEST.
AND WE ACTUALLY SHORTENED THE HOUSE BY SEVEN OR EIGHT INCHES TO ACCOMPLISH PUTTING IT BEHIND THE HOUSE TO THE, IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST.
AND I CAN ALSO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY THERE.
UM, THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE STIPULATION IS REALLY JUST LIKE BROILER PLATE STIPULATION.
WE PUT THAT IN EVERYTHING JUST TO ENSURE THAT ANY VARIANCE IS REQUESTED IF NECESSARY IN THIS CASE THAT, UM, HASN'T BEEN DEMONSTRATED THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A NEED.
UM, AND APPLICANT HAS MET ALL PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS AS IT CONCERNS THE SETBACKS FROM THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? NO QUESTION, SIR.
UM, I WAS ON THE DRC LAST WEEK OR WHENEVER THAT WAS, AND REQUESTED PHOTOS OF, UH, SIMILAR METAL SIDING, UH, PROJECTS.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THOSE AS WELL AS, UH, SEVERAL PHOTOS OF PROJECTS WITH, UH, THE CEMENT BOARD, UM, PRODUCT.
AND, UM, ON THE METAL SIDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING,
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WHAT IS THE VERTICAL SPACING OF THE ANCHORS? UH, WE'LL GO BY THE GUIDELINES, UH, BUT IT'LL PROBABLY BE LIKE SIX INCHES ON CENTER.AND THE WIDTH THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, DOES THAT, UM, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE BOARD AND BATTEN WITH THE CEMENT BOARD? UH, THE BOARD AND BATTEN WITH THE CEMENT BOARD OBVIOUSLY CAN VARY.
TYPICALLY IT'S ABOUT 12 INCHES ON CENTER, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 12 INCHES ON CENTER.
SO THAT PANEL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I I MEASURED THAT AND DREW ON THE DIMENSIONS ON IT.
TYPICAL BATTENS ARE AN INCH AND A HALF.
THAT'S ONE IN SEVEN EIGHTHS AND THEN IT'S 12 INCHES ON CENTER.
UH, THIS MATERIAL IS, IS AVAILABLE UP TO 25 INCHES ON CENTER.
THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE TOO WIDE AND CAUSE MORE OIL CANNING.
IT'S AVAILABLE IN A 24 GAUGE AND A 26 GAUGE MATERIAL.
WE'RE GOING WITH A 24 GAUGE AND A 12 INCH SPACING IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND AS FAR AS, UH, I KNOW YOU DID ASK FOR LOCAL EXAMPLES AND WE TRIED, UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY LOCAL EXAMPLES IN SAN ANTONIO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I'LL DO A MOTION MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY PLEASE.
I MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, WITH ONLY, UH, STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER TWO.
SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND DISCUSSION MAY I, UM, AND I THINK THE, HERE'S MY REASONING IS, UM, I THINK THE, THE WAY THAT I SEE IT, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I WOULD SEE THAT THIS WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION IS YOU WERE MENTIONING THE BRAKES AND YOU HAVE THE 30 FEET, ESPECIALLY IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? SO I WOULD SAY IF I LOOK AT IT, UM, IF WE GO TO SLIDE FIVE, UM, THE FRONT PART IS REALLY THE HOUSE IS WHAT WE, WE LIKE TO SEE.
AND, AND REALLY THAT'S WHERE THE EMPHASIS IS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT TURNING CORNER.
SO YOU REALLY, I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY IF IT'S 30 FEET, YOU SAID IT WAS 30, BUT I KNOW IT'S 35 TO THE UP TO THE TOP.
UM, I'VE, I'M LOOKING AT SLIDES FIVE OF THE MATERIAL THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION IN THE PACKAGE TODAY.
UM, AND I SEE, YOU KNOW, DOMINANTLY IT WOULD BE ON THE, ON THE SIDE.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE REASONING FOR WHY I ACCEPT IT.
SO I LEFT THAT STIPULATION OFF, BUT THEN STILL HAVE THE STIPULATION FROM, UH, FOR THE SETBACK.
MR. HALL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING, SIR, THAT YEAH, I'M SORT OF THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE STIPULATION BEING, UM, SOMETHING REPRESENTING THE HISTORIC SIDING WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
THERE PROBABLY AREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF 30 FOOT TALL, UH, ORIGINAL BOARD AND BATTEN WALLS LIKE THAT WITHOUT, UH, WITHOUT A SEAM.
AND SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW THAT THERE BEING A SEAM WITH A EIGHT FOOT PRODUCT.
UM, IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD, I WOULD BE SHOOTING FOR NO SEAM AS WELL.
I'LL GO RON FOR FURTHER COMMENTS ON COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY.
CAN I JUST ADD SOMETHING AS A, THE STIPULATION THAT IT BE WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY? SO I THINK THE MEASUREMENTS OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY WOULD BE THE CORRECT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NEEDED, BUT MAYBE JUST ADD THAT STIPULATION TO IT.
I CAN SECOND CONCUR, SECOND DEFENSE.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ TO COMMENT MR. CHAIR.
I, I, I THINK THE BUILDING, UM, I I WOULDN'T BE AGAINST, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOTION, BUT THE BUILDING'S LOSING.
ITS, ITS KIND OF DELICATENESS THAT WHEN THOSE BIG, WHAT WE ARE CALLING BATTENS, BECAUSE THEY, THEY REPRESENT THAT SHAPE AT THAT HEIGHT AND THE DARK COLOR.
IT, IT ALMOST IS ASKING THE BUILDING TO BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING.
BECAUSE NOW THE NOW THE BUILDING IS ADAPTING TO PITCHED ROOFS AND BELIEVING THAT SOMEHOW IT, IT'S, IT'S A MIMICKING ABOR AND BATTEN.
BUT, BUT IT, IT, IT KIND OF LIKE, IT LOSES THE DE THE DELICATENESS OF LIKE, IT DOESN'T TRANSLATE THAT WELL.
UH, SO, SO I, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT I JUST FOR THE RECORD, WANNA JUST VOICE THAT.
I, I THINK THE, THE BUILDING IS TURNING INTO A BIT OF A WAREHOUSE.
I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL.
I THINK THE, UM, THE FACT THAT THE DURABILITY, LONGEVITY OF THE PROPOSED MATERIAL, UH, HAS ADVANTAGES OVER THE, UH, CEMENT BOARD AND, UH, KEEPING WITH THE, UH, TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONING, UH, I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE,
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MA'AM? AYE.CAN WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER SIX, PLEASE? AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 0 2 8 3 0 7 DELAWARE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE STRUCTURE AT 3 0 7 DELAWARE.
LOCATED WITHIN THE LEBA HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE ONE STORY IN HEIGHT AND A FOOTPRINT OF 294 SQUARE FEET.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING SHOULD FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 12 INCHES IN WIDTH AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF TO TWO INCHES IN WIDTH PLACED EVERY 12 INCHES.
IF COMPOSITE SIDING IS USED, SHOULD FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH.
UH, THERE'S A STIPULATION REGARDING STAFF STANDARDS FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS.
UH, NUMBER THREE, THAT A SIMPLIFIED GABLE ROOF SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN IS NOTED IN FINDING F AND FOUR THAT WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE BOTH, UH, SHOULD BOTH FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS.
AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING G WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE ONE OVER ONE PROFILES WITH OPERABLE SASHES.
UH, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER IS HERE IN PERSON CAN INTRODUCE HIMSELF AND THEN BEGIN HIS PRESENTATION.
MY NAME IS ALBERTO RODRIGUEZ VERA, I'M THE OWNER AND CEO OF NEXTDOOR LIVING.
UH, THIS IS MY CLIENT, ROBERTO
HE LIVES IN 3 0 7 DELAWARE STREET.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE TO YOU GUYS.
WE'RE GONNA BUILD A CASITA BEHIND HIS HOUSE.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THE BOARD AND BUY IT, WHICH WE'RE, WE ALREADY CHANGED THE DESIGN AND WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING US FOR.
WE ALSO GOT DING ON THE C METAL, WHICH AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE DESIGN AND WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW YOU GUYS GUIDELINES FOR THE ROOF METAL.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE, WE ARE NOT, WE GOT AN EMO SAYING GABLE ROOF ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, WE WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE A SHED ROOF AS IN THIS PICTURE, BUT WE ACTUALLY BUILT THIS HOUSE IN ADAM STREET, WHICH SHOWS ALMOST THE SAME DESIGN WITH THE SAME SHED ROOF AND THE SAME WINDOWS.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS HOUSE ON 2 0 2 DIVINE STREET.
AND THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
AND THERE'S ALSO THIS CASITA ON, ON MISSION STREET, FIVE 11 MISSION STREET.
SHED ROOF WITH THE WINDOWS TOO.
UH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO SEE IF YOU GUYS ALLOW US, JUST BECAUSE THEY ALREADY, ALL OF THESE HOUSES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, THEY HAVE ALREADY HAVE THE, THE SHED ROOF AND THEY HAVE THE SAME WINDOWS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
THE, UH, MY CLIENT, HE'S, HE'S JUST GONNA BE AT HOME GYM THAT HE'S GONNA BE USING.
UH, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE 294 SQUARE FOOT, SO YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET, ACTUALLY.
AND HE IS GONNA HAVE A LITTLE, A SMALL KITCHEN LIKE, SO HE CAN JUST DO LIKE PROTEIN SHAKES AND HE IS GONNA HAVE A SMALL SHOWER, THREE BY THREE.
AFTER HE'S DONE WORKING OUT, HE'S GONNA GO AND TAKE A SHOWER AND THAT'S IT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE.
INSTEAD OF DOING A GABLE ROOF, WE WANNA DO A SHED ROOF.
LIKE IN ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE CASITAS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT AND THE WINDOWS SEAL.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ADD, UH, AS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT, THAT THE HOME IS STEP CLOSE TO THE MIC, SIR.
SO ON EACH SIDE OF, UH, THE PROPOSED CASITA ON EACH SIDE, INCLUDING THE REAR AND BOTH SIDES, I HAVE HOMES RIGHT, RIGHT BEHIND ME, RIGHT.
AND ON EACH SIDE, IT, IT, YOU CANNOT VIEW THE CASITA FROM THE STREET.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ADDS ANY VALUE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS HE WAS, ALBERTO WAS SHOWING, THERE ARE, UM, CASITAS ALREADY BUILT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT HAVE SHED ROOFS AND WIND WINDOWS SIMILAR TO WHAT I AM, UH, REQUESTING.
PART OF THE REASON WHY I WANT THESE WINDOWS TOO, IS TO GIVE ME MORE WALL SPACE.
'CAUSE ONCE I PUT THE, THE TWO, UH, I BELIEVE THEY'RE CALLED PANEL WINDOWS, UH, THAT I LOSE A LOT OF WALL SPACE SINCE IT'S A SMALLER STRUCTURE.
UM, AND I DON'T WANNA LOSE A LOT OF MY YARD IN THE BACK AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M STICKING WITH THE SMALLER STRUCTURE AND JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE FOR ME.
DO WE HAVE, UM, SPEAKER NO, NO SPEAKERS.
UH, I'M WONDERING IF WE MIGHT, IF YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO GOING STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS AND QUESTIONS FROM THE LET ME, UM, LET'S GO QUESTIONS FIRST, THEN WE CAN JUST HAVE THAT.
SO, EXCUSE ME, SIR, YOU WANNA SEE THE, THE PICTURES
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FROM THE OTHER STREETS? HE ACTUALLY SHOWED THEM ON THE, WE HAD 'EM, SAW 'EM ALREADY, SO, YEAH.HAVE A SEAT FOR A MOMENT, SIR.
UM, I'M ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
UM, FIRST, UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER GADA NO QUESTIONS AT THE TIME, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANY THAT, MIKE, WHAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ON THE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER STRUCTURES? IS THERE GARAGE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY? ANYTHING? UM, IN THE BACKYARD THAT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE SHED ON THE SIDE.
SO ON THE RIGHT SIDE, STEP OUT TO THE MIC, SIR.
SO, UH, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE THE LEFT SIDE OF, SO IF YOU'RE WALKING TO THE BACKYARD, THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE LEFT SIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, RIGHT CORNER.
THERE IS A, A SMALL 120 SQUARE FOOT SHED.
IS THAT STAYING? YEAH, THE SHED'S GONNA STAY.
I MEAN, IT'S MY, I DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
AND THEN, UM, ON THE WINDOWS, ARE YOU WILLING TO CHANGE UP A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE SOME OF THE WINDOWS? OR ARE YOU ALL LIKE, MAYBE NOT FROM THE SIDES, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THE WALL SPACE REALLY, I, IT'S THE WALL SPACE, SORRY.
UM, POTENTIALLY FROM THE, BUT FROM THE FRONT, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
I WAS GONNA ASK LIKE, MAYBE EVEN IF WE SAY, IF WE FOCUS ON THE FRONT, BUT THEN ACTUALLY REMOVE THE ONES FROM THE SIDE, OR YOU'D WANT WINDOWS ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
I WOULD LIKE THAT JUST, JUST FOR NATURAL LIGHTING.
I MEAN, NOT THAT MATTERS TO YOU, BUT THAT'S WHAT NO, I KNOW.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF WINDOWS IN THE FRONT PART, THEN YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED WINDOWS SO MUCH ON THE OTHER SIDES.
UH, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEM, IF, IF OKAY, YOU GUYS APPROVE THAT.
UH, DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.
SO THE MAIN MODE OF ENTRY INTO THE CABIN IS THROUGH SLIDING GLASS DOORS.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND IS THERE A SPECIFIC REASON FOR WHY HE WENT WITH SLIDERS VERSUS, UH, A MORE TRADITIONAL TYPE OF DOOR? FRENCH DOORS, LET'S SAY? UM, JUST MORE, MORE, I CAN GET MORE LIGHTING INTO THE FRONT.
SO FRENCH DOORS, IT'S REALLY, I THINK AN AESTHETIC, UH, A PREFERENCE FOR ME AS WELL AS HAVING, YOU KNOW, DOORS OPENING MM-HMM
VERSUS JUST SLIDING AND JUST, IT'S ALSO MORE EFFICIENT FROM A SPACE CAPACITY.
UM, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF MAYBE IT WAS FOR THE LIGHT, BECAUSE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT COIN, YOU DON'T WANT THE WINDOWS TO BE ANY BIGGER RIGHT.
ON THAT FACADE ON THE FRONT SIDE.
MIND KEEPING YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE SLIT WINDOWS PRETTY MUCH, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF, IF IT'S ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT MORE WINDOWS, AND I WOULD JUST ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT MAYBE BIGGER WINDOWS THAT ARE MORE MAYBE CONTEXTUALLY APPROPRIATE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO MAYBE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING OF SOME KIND IN THE BACKYARD OF IT IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE ON ONE HAND YOU'VE GOT THIS HUGE OPENING THAT YOU WANT TO CIRCULATE THROUGH, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THESE LITTLE WINDOWS THAT YOU DON'T WANT ANY BIGGER FOR PERSONAL PREFERENCE, RIGHT? FOR PERSONAL, OH, ON THE WALL SPECIFICALLY FOR SPACE.
UM, BECAUSE ONCE I HAVE THOSE WINDOWS, I CAN'T PUT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE WALLS, I CAN'T, IT JUST TAKES AWAY WALL SPACE.
SO THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN, THE WINDOWS ARE HIGH ON THE SIDES BECAUSE IT'S GONNA GO UP 14 FEET FROM THE FRONT, 12 TO THE BACK.
SO THE WINDOWS WILL JUST ALLOW SOME NATURAL LIGHT TO COME IN AND I'LL HAVE A FULL 10 FEET OF WALL SPACE TO USE WITH TV UP OR WHATEVER ELSE I'D LIKE TO PUT ON.
AND I, THIS IS PROBABLY, UH, GOING INTO MORE, UM, JUST OBSERVATION THAN WHAT GARCIA, IF I CAN INTERRUPT YOU BEFORE MY TIME GOES OUT, IT'S JUST, WE'RE JUST GOING BASED ON ALL THE, ALL THE OTHER ONES.
LIKE ON FIVE 11 MISSION STREET, THE SAME DESIGN, THIS ONE HAS A LOT MORE WINDOWS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND THEN OF
LIKE WE JUST DOING LIKE THREE WINDOWS ACTUALLY.
BUT THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE OTHER EXAMPLES ARE ACTUALLY MORE IN KEEPING WITH WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU SAID YOU HAVE A QUESTION NOW? OKAY, GO AHEAD SIR.
FOR THE APPLICANT, IS THIS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? UH, THE, THIS HIS HOUSE? NO, THE OTHER ONES? YES.
CAN YOU, SORRY, CAN YOU CLAR JUST FROM, UH, THE, THE ONE FROM MY CLIENT IS NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
COMMISSIONER MANN? NO QUESTION.
UM, COMMISSIONER HAS QUESTIONS.
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IT WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE COULD GO INTO DISCUSSION, BUT I COULD MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN GO INTO DISCUSSION ANYWAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE I'M THE LAST, WELL, NO, YOU'RE NOT THE LAST.SO, UM, ONCE WE GET PAST THAT POINT, THEN WE CAN HAVE A MOTION, THEN WE CAN GO INTO DISCUSSION.
SO FOR RIGHT NOW, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
WELL, I'LL PASS AND WAIT TILL THANK YOU.
UM, THE SIDE ELEVATION, YOU'VE GOT A SMALL OVERHANG ON THE FRONT SIDE, BUT NO OVERHANG ON THE BACKSIDE.
SO HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE DETAILED IN TERMS OF, UH, TRANSITION FROM THE ROOFING TO THE SIDING, UH, FLASHING? UH, HAS THAT DETAIL BEEN WORKED OUT? BECAUSE TYPICALLY, UH, ROOFS HAVE, UH, AT LEAST SOME OVERHANG ON ALL SIDES.
WE, WE CAN PUT AN OVERHANG, WE CAN PUT AN OVERHANG IN THE BACK.
I THINK THAT, THAT, IT WAS JUST MY ARCHITECT THAT MISSED THAT DETAIL.
AND, UH, YOU JUST HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UH, CHANGING THE WINDOWS AT LEAST IN THE FRONT TO MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOWS ONE OVER ONE, UH, WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO THE SLIT WINDOWS AND POSSIBLY CHANGING THE DOOR TO A MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, IT IS JUST, WE'RE JUST GOING BACK TO HOW, HOW, HOW WERE THESE CASITAS GOT APPROVED AND THEN ALL WELL, THOSE HAVE MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOWS.
ON, ON THE SIDE THOUGH, NOT IN THE FRONT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE LIKE, THIS IS THE FRONT, RIGHT, BUT THOSE ARE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DOOR.
OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SLIT WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF THE DOOR? YEAH.
CHANGE THOSE OUT TO A, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED FOR PUTTING MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOWS AND REPLACING THE SLIT WINDOWS.
I WOULD LIKE TO STAY WITH THE SLIDING DOORS.
I REALLY LIKE THAT ASPECT OF IT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE SMALL WINDOWS ON TOP JUST FOR MORE LIGHTING.
I I CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH THAT.
I'LL ENTERTAIN YOUR MOTION NOW, SIR.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET INTO THAT IN DISCUSSION.
I'LL SECOND THAT IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
MR. CHAIR, IF YOU COULD PUT THE, THE GRAY BUILDING UP, UH, EDWARD, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
THE ONE THAT, THAT'S NOT THE ONE, BUT THE OTHER ONE.
THE, THE, THE DESIGN THAT IS SUBMITTED IS CLEARLY A CONTEMPORARY DESIGN IN, IN ITSELF IT'S HOLISTIC.
IT COULD HAVE DIFFERENT LOCATION OF WINDOWS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE WAY THAT IT'S DONE IS THE ANIMAL THAT IT IS, RIGHT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAY ONE OVER HERE, THE GRAY ONE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A BUILDING THAT'S ADAPTING, BUT YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT IT'S LOSING.
NOW, IS IT A BETTER BUILDING OR A WORSE BUILDING? I WOULD ARGUE THAT CLEARLY IS A WORSE SOLUTION.
LOOK AT WHERE THE WINDOW IS, WHERE THE DOOR IS, THE WAY THAT IT'S PRESENTED IT, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANOMALY, BUT, BUT CLEARLY THERE'S AN ATTEMPT IN THE NE HAVE THIS, UM, THIS KIND OF REOCCURRING NEW ELEMENT.
BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE STRONGEST ARGUMENT FOR THIS IS THE SIZE THAT IT IS.
IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY NOT TRYING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, TAKING AWAY.
IT, IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE ACCESSORY FOR VERY PARTICULAR USE.
AND IT DOESN'T TRY TO BE THE HOUSE ITSELF.
IT DOESN'T TRY TO BE THE GARAGE, THE HISTORIC PLACE.
IT, IT CLEARLY IS THIS LITTLE CONTEMPORARY ANOMALY, UM, TO TRY TO CHANGE IT.
I THINK THAT WHAT WE WOULD BE SAYING IS, YOU REALLY GOTTA CHANGE THIS THING IF IT'S GONNA BE IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINE OR WITH THE BUILDING IN ITSELF.
SO IN A WAY, THIS GOES ALONG WITH THE OTHER GUIDELINE THAT GIVES THE POWER OF NOT TRYING TO ATTEMPT A FALSE HISTORICISM.
SO THE WAY THAT IT IS, IT'S, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S NOT JUST THE OUTSIDE OF IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE NICE LITTLE SECTIONS, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
AND, UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A SMALL SQUARE, SQUARE FOOTAGE ENOUGH TO ALMOST BE LIKE A, LIKE A ON TOP OF GREAT, UH, ACCESSORY LITTLE BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF BECOMING SOMETHING BIGGER OR ADDING A BEDROOM OR ADDING, IT'S, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S GOING TO STAY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IT IS.
AND, AND IN THAT, I, I, I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF, OF, OF SUPPORTING.
UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR.
SECOND, WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO, ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, MY COMMENTS REALLY, UM, ARE IT SORT OF IN LINE WITH, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT THE MAIN THING FOR ME IS THAT IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO, UM, I, I ALSO JUST WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT THIS SIMPLY FOR THAT FACT.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S SMALL, UM, IT'S, NO ONE'S GONNA SEE IT, IT'S GONNA BE YOURS.
SO, UM, AND I AGREE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHANGING.
THIS IS SORT OF A LITTLE, A LITTLE SPOT
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IN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK IN AN OVERVIEW, IT'S THE, THE ONE AREA WHERE THERE ISN'T REALLY ANYTHING.AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA KNOW THAT IT'S THERE EXCEPT FOR YOU.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD SAY DO IT THE WAY THAT YOU WANT TO DO IT.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY COMMENT SIR? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NO COMMENT SIR.
CAN WE GO TO SLIDE 10? UM, I THINK THE FRONT IS PROBABLY JUST WHERE WE COULD PROBABLY JUST, UM, MAKE THE MOST, I THINK.
UH, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD CENTER THE WINDOWS IN BETWEEN BATTENS CENTER, THE WINDOWS, THE THREE TOP ONES, AND THEN, UM, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE VERTICAL ONES AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS AN OPTION FOR YOU TO DO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU CAN MAKE THEM WIDER LIKE YOU DID IN THE OTHER, MAYBE JUST THE FRONT.
AND, AND I THINK YOU WILL ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF LIGHTING AND IT WOULD CREATE THAT LIGHTING FOR YOU, WHICH MAYBE COULD SAY, OKAY, WELL THEN MAYBE ONE OF THE SIDES, YOU WON'T DO THE HORIZONTAL.
BUT I THINK IF WE DO THE TOP HORIZONTAL, LIKE THE LEFT ON THE RIGHT AND YOU HAVE A ONE OF A ONE UNDERNEATH, KIND OF GO TOGETHER ON EACH SIDE.
I'M NOT TRYING, LIKE, I THINK THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SEE MORE AS A COMPROMISE.
AND IT'S STILL, I MEAN, IT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT VISIBLE, BUT THEN AT LEAST WE'RE, WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING LIKE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, I, I THINK WE SEE MORE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS LIKE THAT THAN VERTICAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GARCIA.
CAN WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE STIPULA RELATIONS INCLUDED IN THE MOTION IF POSSIBLE? THE ONE, TWO AND THREE.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE BUILDER WAS SAYING THAT, THAT YOU WERE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT ALREADY, RIGHT? THE STIPULATION ONE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUTTON ONE, TWO.
UH, WE'LL, UH, UH, ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
SO IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE YOU INCLUDING FOUR? NO.
UH, INCLUDING NUMBER FOUR? NO.
IT IT BE BECAUSE IT, IT IT'S ASKING FOR THE WINDOW TO BE SOMETHING THAT IT CLEARLY IS NOT.
AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT IT SEEMS THAT THEY HAVE THIS, THIS TYPE OF BUILDING THAT THEY'RE BUILDING, AND THIS IS THE WINDOW THAT IS REOCCURRING IN WHATEVER PLANT SET THIS IS.
SO IF IT'S REOCCURRING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT THIS IS WHAT IS THE NORM FOR, FOR THIS LITTLE CONTEMPORARY PIECE OF WHATEVER IT IS.
BECAUSE I THINK ONCE, ONCE WE START TO MOVE THE THINGS AROUND, IT'S GONNA START TO LOOK LIKE THAT GRAY ONE, WHICH, WHICH IS REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY STRANGE.
WELL, I THINK THAT, UM, I DO YOU MEAN LIKE INSET, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE SHADOW LINE STUFF, OR DO YOU MEAN TRIM AND I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE PROPORTIONS OF THE TRADITIONAL WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT WOULD BE A ONE OVER ONE.
UM, I DON'T PARTICULARLY, I, I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE ARCHITECTURE OVERALL, UM, WHERE MY CONCERN LIES IN SETTING PRECEDENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY BEHIND THE OTHER SHEDS THAT YOU'RE USING AS EXAMPLES AND WHETHER THEY WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS OR DIDN'T.
I KNOW FOR SURE IT'S, IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE.
UM, IT'S 8 0 1 LABOR STREET, AND THEY HAVE THOSE WINDOWS AND UH, THAT'S A LARGE, UH, UM, UNIT.
YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
I MEAN, IT, YOU SAW THE PICTURE.
UM, AND THEY, THAT GOT APPROVED HISTOR.
I MEAN THE SIGNS WERE, WERE THERE FOR, FOR MANY MONTHS.
THE, THE, THE ONE ON THE ONE ON MISSION STREET AND THE ONE ON ANOTHER STREET, THEY WENT THERE, THEY GOT APPROVED THROUGH HISTORICAL BECAUSE I'M THE ONE WHO BUILT THEM THROUGH ANOTHER COMPANY.
SO THEY CAME THROUGH THIS COMMISSION AND WERE APPROVED.
SO THEN I'M ONLY GONNA MAKE A COMMENT.
UM, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, UH, MAKE A POINT, WELL, I GUESS I AM TRYING TO MAKE A POINT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING.
IT WOULD APPEAR, IF THIS IS A PRECEDENT THAT IS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED, THEN YOU KNOW, THE HORSE HAS LEFT THE BARN, SO TO SPEAK.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S NOT FULLY APPROPRIATE.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
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THERE ARE WINDOWS LIKE THIS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, MY COLLEAGUE SEEMS TO THINK THAT THAT EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHOWED THAT WAS MORE GRAY IS SOMEHOW A REALLY BAD EXAMPLE OF A SHED, WHICH I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH BECAUSE I DO THINK THE WINDOWS ARE MORE APPROPRIATE, THE COLOR, THE MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.UM, SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF THIS WAS GOING UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND MY HOUSE, I'D BE FINE WITH IT IF I LIKED THOSE WINDOWS, WHICH I DON'T, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF MY NEIGHBOR DID THIS, IT WOULD BE FINE.
BUT IT IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK THAT IT'S A SHAME TO LOSE THE KIND OF CONTEXT OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR, UH, DETACHED BUILDINGS BEHIND A HISTORIC HOME.
UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GARCIA THAT MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS I THINK WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SHED ROOF OR THE, THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, UH, OR EVEN THE SMALLER HORIZONTAL WINDOWS, UH, FOR THIS SIZE, UH, STRUCTURE.
UM, BUT, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA SUP WHETHER I'LL SUPPORT THIS, UH, MOTION OR NOT WITHOUT THE, THE CHANGE IN THE WINDOWS.
AND, UM, UNLESS I MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION, I'LL MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO WITH, UH, STIPULATION FOUR, WHICH IS THE MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, CHANGING OUT THE, THE VERTICAL SLIT WINDOWS TO ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
AND, UM, WORKING WITH STAFF TO DETAIL OVERHANGS ON THE ROOF, UH, JUST FOR, UM, NOT SO MUCH THE WAY THAT BUILDING LOOKS, BUT FOR, UH, GOOD DESIGN, UH, TRANSITIONS FROM ROOFS TO WALLS.
I THINK IT'S BEEN MOVED ON PROPERLY.
SECOND, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? SURE.
ARE YOU ACCEPTING THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ON THE FRONT AND THE SIDES? YES.
UM, WE WILL FIRST VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION.
SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE, MA'AM? UH, COULD, COULD I ASK A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE, I'M SORRY.
OR I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A COMMENT QUESTION, BUT IS THE APPLICANT OKAY WITH, I MEAN THERE, THERE, THERE WAS A KIND OF A SWITCH OF THE, IN THE AMENDED MOTION.
WAS THERE A SWITCH FROM STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS A LITTLE BIT IN NUMBER FOUR, UH, ON THE WINDOWS? YEAH.
DO WE NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT IN THAT CASE IF, IF THEY'RE, I MEAN IT'S A SHIFT IN THE ARCHITECTURE ON THAT.
IT'S REALLY JUST THE TWO FRONT VERTICAL WINDOWS.
YEAH, I DON'T, I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY THAT.
SORRY, MEANT TO PUT WHAT YOU CAN CONFIRM, BUT YOU WERE OKAY DOING SASH WINDOWS INSTEAD UP THE LONG SKINNY WINDOWS.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN, TO BE HONEST THOUGH, I'M, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANT THEM WIDE.
I'M OKAY WITH THE ONE OVER ONE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WIDE JUST WELL, AND, AND MR. MR. CHAIR, WE, WE WERE GONNA HAVE DISCUSSION RIGHT BEFORE WE TOOK THE VOTE ON THE SECOND ON THE AMENDED.
NO, WE WERE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE AMEND MOTION 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
NOW IF YOU HAVE, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN DOWN, I, I SECONDED THE MOTION AND, AND I, I, BUT I WANNA MAKE JUST CLEAR WHY, UM, I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FIRST ONE, BUT I DID SECOND.
THE SECOND ONE IS BECAUSE THE, THE, IT'S THE ARTICULATION OF THE CHANGE THAT OCCURS THAT I THINK IS WHERE THESE PROJECTS GET.
THEY, THEY GET ACCEPTED BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW THE GUIDELINE.
BUT, BUT THEN IT GOES TO STAFF, AND I DON'T MEAN THIS IN ANY OFFENSE TO STAFF BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT TO WHERE YOU'RE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE GUIDELINES, BUT THE ARTICULATION OF HOW IT'S BEING DONE KIND OF GOES BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.
SO LIKE I LOOK AT THIS AND QUITE HONESTLY WHAT I SEE THIS FRONT, WHAT I SEE ARE ONE OVER ONES THAT ARE TWO FEET WIDE.
THOSE RIBBONS ARE TURNED INTO TRANSOMS AND SOMEHOW THE LINES OF THE TRANSOMS OVER THE SLIDING DOOR MATCH IT.
SO THIS DOESN'T END UP LIKE THAT GRAY ONE WHERE YOU HAVE THESE WINDOWS UP HERE AND THEN THE DOORS DOWN HERE.
OKAY? NOW ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, PUT ME ON A DRAFTING TABLE AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
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IT IS THAT WHEN WE DO THE MOTIONS, EVERYTHING GETS APPROVED AND THEN THE BUILDING ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE THIS THING OVER HERE, RIGHT? WHICH DON'T GET ME WRONG, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE COLOR AND THE TRIMS AND THE WINDOW AND ALL THAT, BUT, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE THAT KIND OF, UM, A, A DEEPER DIVE INTO WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND THEN YOU ATTACH IT TO LIKE HARDY BOARD SIGHTINGS THAT ARE THICKER AND ALL THAT, THE THINGS REALLY, THEY REALLY LOOK LIKE SOMEONE'S BACKYARD WASHROOM.SO I SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I JUST CAUTION THAT TO STAFF THAT WHEN YOU ADVISE THE FRONT, THE BALANCE OF THESE THINGS TO MAKE IT HOLISTIC TO WHERE THE RIBBON WINDOWS WORK WITHIN IT, EVEN IF THEY CONFORM TO TRANSOMS KINDA STYLE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT OUTTA LINE WITH ALL THE OTHER RIBBONS, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE WAY THAT THIS THING IS RIGHT NOW WITH THE THINGS THAT DON'T CONFORM, THEY'RE AT LEAST ALL BALANCED WITHIN THEIR, HOW THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO OTHERWISE THE FRONT IS ONE IS MEETING ONE DIMENSIONAL FACADE RULE AND THE SIDES HAVE THEIR OWN RULES, WHICH I THINK IS A MISTAKE.
OKAY, THAT, THAT'S JUST COMMENTS.
COULD I, UH, JUST BRIEFLY, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
UM, TO THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT, UM, WITH MODIFYING THE VERTICALLY ORIENTED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE, UH, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COMMISSION TO CLARIFY IN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT MAY BE A DIMENSION BECAUSE FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT AND SAY, OKAY, LIKE WE NEED TO FIND A TRADITIONAL WINDOW THAT HAS THAT PROPORTION, UH, WHICH I'LL BRIEFLY ANNOTATE.
MAY WIND UP BEING SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY INTENDS OR HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A WINDOW THAT WIDTH.
SO IF THERE COULD BE SOME CLARITY IN THE MOTION ABOUT A PROPORTION THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT TO US EXACTLY WHAT THE COMMISSION INTENDS AND WE'RE NOT BACK AND FORTH, FORTH OR COMING BACK.
QUESTION FOR THE, UH, DESIGNER, HOW WIDE ARE THOSE, UH, HORIZONTAL SLOT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT? UH, ONE, UH, 12 INCHES BY FIVE FEET? NO, THE HORIZONTALS.
SEE MR. CHAIR WITH YOUR PERMISSION.
SEE, SEE WHEN, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UH, A ONE OVER ONE, IT IS NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A 12 INCH ONE OR A 16 INCH ONE.
THERE'S A SIZE THAT IS NORMAL THAT LOOKS RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 24 INCHES.
THE THE LOOK THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR IS DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE A ONE OVER 1 24 BY 24.
BUT THAT MEETS THE GUIDELINE, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA ASK ITSELF TO BE 24 BY GREATER THAN FOUR FEET TO GET THE LOOK THAT YOU WANT.
SO IF, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO, UH, UH, CONFORM THE WINDOW ABOVE THE GARAGE ABOVE THE SLIDING DOOR TO THE WIDTH OF THE SLIDING DOOR AND CONFORM THE RIBBON WINDOW ABOVE THE, THE TWO ONE OVER ONES TO A TRANSOM THAT'S THE SAME SIZE OF THE WINDOW, YOU, YOU'D PROBABLY ACHIEVE THAT BALANCE.
BUT, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT EDWARD SAID BECAUSE IT, IT IS, IT REALLY IS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT SAYING, LOOK, IF YOU DO THIS, BUT YOU'VE GOTTA TELL 'EM WHAT TO DO BECAUSE OTHERWISE, UM, THEY THEN THEY GET PERMISSION TO MAKE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE.
I WOULD, AS A, AS A HOMEOWNER, I WOULD REALLY PREFER TO STAY WITH WITH THIS DESIGN UNDER YEAH.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA, HE WAS, HE, HE HAD JUST, HE HAD JUST KIND OF REFERENCED IT BEFORE HIS COMMENT THAT IF, YOU KNOW, SURE THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT 'CAUSE OF WHAT HE JUST STATED, BUT ALSO LIKE, JUST OTHER THINGS LIKE THE LITTLE LIGHT FIXTURES, IT'S JUST GONNA LOOK KIND OF OFF.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY GO AHEAD ON THAT WINDOW, BECAUSE ON THE SIDE THEY'RE NOT 36 INCHES, THEY'RE DIFFERENT TOO.
SO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT WINDOWS ON EVERY SIDE OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO WHAT ARE THEY ON THIS SIDE? HOW WIRED ARE THEY? I THINK THEY WERE 12 BY FIVE.
UH, 12 BY FIVE, 12 INCHES BY FIVE FEET.
SO I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE LEAVING THE OPTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS SIDE.
AND MEN THE SIZES, I DON'T EVEN THINK THE SIZES ARE REPLICATED IN THIS DRAWING THE CORRECT WAY.
ONE, ONE SEEMS EVEN MORE THAN 36 INCHES, THE ONE OVER THE DOOR.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT EVEN, THEY LOOK LIKE THE SAME SIZE.
IF YOU HAVE 12 INCHES IN BETWEEN THE BATTENS, I MEAN, LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE 36 INCHES WINDOWS RIGHT THERE DESIGNED.
SO I THINK IF JUST THE MOTION IS CLEAR THAT WE ACCEPT HORIZONTAL WINDOWS AND WE WOULD LIKEN THE FRONT FOR THE VERTICAL TO BE EXCHANGED FOR 1 0 0 1.
BUT THEN A, WITH THE DESIGN THAT THE HORIZONTAL MATCH, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE DOOR OR THE, I MEAN A LINE OR WE CAN ALSO ASK FOR THIS, UH, APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH A,
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WITH A DESIGN FOR THE FRONT OF THE WINDOWS AND, AND CONSIDER THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION CLARIFYING THE, THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THESE WINDOWS, THE ONE OVER ONES.I THINK THEY DEFINITELY NEED TO BE CENTERED BELOW THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS.
UM, I THINK THREE FEET WIDE IS TOO WIDE BECAUSE YOU INTERFERE WITH THE FRAMING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE DOOR.
SO APPROXIMATELY 24 INCHES WIDE BY FOUR FEET TALL, CENTERED BELOW THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ONE OVER ONES DOES THE SECOND CONCUR.
UH, I'VE GOT TO SEE THE, I CAN'T HEAR YOU SIR.
WHAT WE COULD SEE WHAT EDWARD'S DOING THAT THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS YOU'RE PROBABLY ABOUT A FOOT TOO LOW.
EDWARD? YEAH, THESE ARE TOO TALL EDWARD.
AND, AND JUST, UH, I'M IMAGINING THAT THE BATTEN SYSTEM HERE, IT IT, IT'S THROWING THE WINDOWS OFF BECAUSE IT'S JUST DRAWN, IT, IT IS NOT THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD BUILD IT.
THAT THERE, THAT'S OFF CENTER, BUT IT'S JUST THE DRAWING.
I WITHDRAW MY AMENDED MOTION AND MAKE A NEW AMENDED MOTION AND SAY, UH, APPROVE, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND TWO AND FOUR COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION AFTER THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER HAVE A CHANCE TO STUDY THAT FRONT FACADE IN RELATION TO ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS IN THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS BACK.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN SMOOTH AND PROPERLY SECONDED STAFF.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE, SIR? UH, YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE ONE AND TWO THE APPLICANT CAN UPDATE IN THE DOCUMENTS AND THEN UM, HE CAN PROPOSE THE WINDOW AT THE WIDTH THAT UM, HE FINDS TO BE APPROPRIATE.
WE CAN PUT HIM ON A FUTURE AGENDA, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO, UH, FIRST AM MIND CLEAR, MAY I HAVE A, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE AMEND MOTION? MAMON AYE GARCIA? AYE.
UM, SO THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA.
UM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE, UM, THIS CASE HERE WAS REALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE I BELIEVE OF, YOU KNOW, JUST COLLABORATING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THINGS SHOULD WORK.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WE'RE NOT IN THE DESIGN BUSINESS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THINGS FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AESTHETICALLY PLEADING.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS HERE FOR THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
MR. CHAIR, UH, YES, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT.
I, I, I DO THINK THAT IT COULD BE A REALLY BEAUTIFUL LITTLE FRONT THAT DOESN'T THROW THE SIDES OFF, AND BY THE END OF THAT YOU MAY END UP WITH A VERY ACCEPTABLE FUTURE PROPOSAL.
BUT, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH JUST TO SAY, TO MOVE THIS AND MOVE THAT, THAT WE WOULDN'T GET THERE.
YOU, YOU, IT'D GET APPROVED, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE PROUD OF IT.
SO I THINK PROBABLY THIS WAY YOU MIGHT DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY, THAT WILL REALLY MAKE YOU VERY HAPPY WHEN YOU GO IN THERE, EVEN JUST AS HAPPY AS YOU THOUGHT YOU'D BE GOING IN THE WAY THAT IT IS.
BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE THAT LITTLE EXTRA TIME FOR Y'ALL TO, YOU KNOW, DETAIL SOMETHING PRETTY THAT'S WITHIN YOUR BUDGET AND ALL THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.