Feb 20, 2026 Historic Compliance and Technical Advisory Board (CTAB)

UM, SO WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGER CONSENT AGENDAS WE'VE EVER HAD, UM, WITH FIVE ITEMS. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THOSE.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS ABSTAIN GARCIA? YES.

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]

YOU WILL SEE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR ITEM NUMBER 2 14 0 7 FULTON IN YOUR FOLDER.

GREAT.

CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION OR IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TODAY? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND.

CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 29 CALLAHAN 1407 FULTON 1510 LENNON 3 26 WEST LINWOOD AT 9 0 4 NORTH MESQUITE.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.

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YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF FOR YOUR CASE MANAGER.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

UH, AND COMMISSIONERS.

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]

WE WILL, UH, NOW MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS FIVE 10 STEERING ITEM NUMBER SIX HDRC CASE NUMBER 20 26 0 3 8 5 10 STEERING.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A SITE FENCING ON SITE AT FIVE 10 STEERING.

WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE, A FRONT YARD WR IRON FENCE FEATURING AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET, SIX INCHES, AND TWO OF PRIVACY FENCE TO FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF SIX FEET TO EXTEND PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND TERMINATED THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE PER PERPENDICULAR TO THE ROD IRON FENCE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A ROD IRON FENCE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET.

AND HEIGHT IS NOTED IN FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF PRIVACY FENCING ON SITE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE LOCATION BE MODIFIED TONIGHT.

EXCEED, EXTEND PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY IS NOTED IN FINDING E UM, THE APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL NOTE THAT THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS.

AND THAT LETTER IS FROM THE KING OR KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE FROM, WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE? UH, SO THE FIRST IS AN EMAIL FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION WHEN THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A LETTER.

THE SECOND IS THE ACTUAL LETTER.

SO IT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

UH, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.

LET ME, OKAY.

DO I THINK YOU ARE, UH, YOU SHOULD BE ON NOW.

CAN YOU HEAR US? I SEE THAT YOU'RE IN THE MEETING NOW.

YOU MAY JUST NEED TO UNMUTE.

CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY, PERFECT.

GOOD MORNING.

UM, SO, UM, EDO, UH, AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, I READ THE REQUEST INTO THE RECORD AS WELL AS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PRESENT ON THE FENCE, UH COM, YOU CAN DO THAT NOW TO COMMISSIONERS.

UM, IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN ANSWER THOSE AS WELL.

UH, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ARE, WERE THE TWO QUESTIONS.

WHEN THE INSURER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WAS ISSUED, UH, THE FENCE WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FOR THE WHOLE, I WASN'T TOLD ANY SPECIFIC, UH, INSTRUCTION APART FROM WORKING WITH'S ASSOCIATION REQUESTED.

THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, ONE OF THE FENCE, WHICH IS NEXT TO THE NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS A BRAND OFFICES HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

SO WHAT WE DID ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS JUST TO INSTALL THE FENCE, THE SECOND FENCE, WHICH IS A SIMILAR HEIGHT TO WHAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ON THERE.

SO WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS IF I HAVE TO MODIFY THIS FENCE, WOULD THE OTHER NEIGHBOR ALSO BE, HAVE TO MODIFY THEIR OWN FENCE OR THIS JUST, OH, THIS IS JUST RELATING TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

YES, SO I CAN ANSWER THOSE.

UM, SO IF YOU CAN SEE THE SCREEN HERE, WE WILL START WITH THE FRONT, THE ROD IRON FENCE, UM, WHEN YOUR NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, AND UH, THIS WAS FROM OCTOBER THE 18TH, 2023, UH, YOU HAD, UM, THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE DESIGN, UH, AND NOTED THAT IT WAS THREE FEET IN HEIGHT.

UH, SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH WHAT STAFF WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED.

UM, IF YOU NOTE OUR RECOMMENDATION, UM, THE GUIDELINES ACTUALLY ALLOW A FRONT YARD FENCE UP TO FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT.

UM, THE FENCE AS IT'S INSTALLED AT FIVE FEET, SIX INCHES IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

UH, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU NEED TO GO DOWN TO THREE FEET, UH, BUT YOU, IT WOULD NEED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AT FOUR FEET.

UH, REGARDING THE, UH, REGARDING THE SIDE FENCE, UM, AND I'LL PULL UP THIS AERIAL PHOTO HERE.

UM, COMMISSIONERS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S ONE FENCE THAT EXTENDS THIS FENCE HERE IS NEW THAT EXTENDS ALONG THE FRONT, THE, THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE RATHER.

UM, ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THAT FENCE ESSENTIALLY NEEDS TO BE REDUCED TO WHERE IT DOESN'T EX DOESN'T EXTEND PAST, ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE CONCRETE STOPS.

AND THEN ON THE NORTH FACADE, WE'RE SAYING THAT IT NEEDS TO PULL BACK TO WHERE THE FRONT PORCH OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS.

UM, IF, UH,

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IF WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION PRIOR TO WORK, UH, WHERE FENCING WAS PROPOSED, THAT WOULD BE WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS.

UM, AND ACTUALLY BOTH OF THOSE FITTING WITHIN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

SO THAT'S JUST A, A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING WHAT WE ARE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AM I ALLOWED TO RESPOND, PLEASE TO SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM.

EVEN IF I HAVE TO REDUCE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE NEW FENCE, THE WHOLE FENCE, THAT BELONGS TO THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN NOTIFIED BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE I WANNA PUT SOMEONE ELSE'S FENCE AND I GET INTO TROUBLE FOR THAT.

UH, SO I DON'T KNOW.

CERTAINLY.

UM, WELL, I GUESS LET'S, UH, MAYBE WORK ON THIS IN PIECES.

SO FOR THE FRONT FENCE, ARE YOU ABLE TO REDUCE THE FRONT FENCE FROM FIVE FEET, SIX INCHES TO FOUR FEET? I WILL HAVE TO DO THAT.

WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT AND SEE.

WELL, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT, BUT I, I'LL JUST HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS.

I, I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO GO AND MAKE A NEW FENCE, BUT, UM, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT.

AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, FOR THE PRI FOR THE PRIVACY FENCE, WHICH FENCE IS IT THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? UH, THE HOLD ONE.

SO THE NEW ONE IS THE ONE I I CONSTRUCTED, BUT THE HOLD ONE, WHICH IS NEXT TO, UH, OPEN OFFICES, UM, SORRY, LIKE THAT BIG SPACE.

OKAY, GOTCHA.

SO THE FENCE THAT YOU CONSTRUCTED, ARE YOU ABLE TO MOVE IT BACK TO WHERE IT'S, WHERE THE CONCRETE OR WHERE THE GARBAGE CAN ENCLOSURE IS, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MOVE IT OR CUT IT DOWN, CUT IT DOWN, OR? WELL, YOU, YOU COULD CUT IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T EXCEED FOUR FEET OR YOU COULD REMOVE IT ALL TOGETHER.

PROBABLY CUTTING IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T EXCEED FOUR FEET WOULD BE BETTER.

SINCE IT WOULD STILL INTERSECT WITH YOUR ROD IRON FENCE? WITH THE ROD IRON, YES.

I WOULD PREFER TO CUT IT TO PROVIDE THAT PRIVACY.

SO THAT CAN BE WELDED DOWN TO FOUR FEET? I, I'M GUESSING PRETTY EASILY.

UM, SO, UM, I GUESS, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WHAT, WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THERE'S, UH, SOME ACTION THAT COULD BE TAKEN ON THE FRONT YARD FENCE TO REDUCE IT IN HEIGHT TO FOUR FEET AND THEN FOR THE FENCE AT THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, TO CUT IT TO NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET, UM, TO NOT EXTEND PAST FOUR FEET WHERE THE GARBAGE ENCLOSURE IS, UH, BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE.

UM, FOR THE FENCE TO THE NORTH, UM, WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT AND IF IT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION, UM, THEN, THEN WE CAN RESOLVE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.

UM, SO WHICH ONE, UM, SO, UM, HERE ON THE SCREEN, UM, THE FRONT YARD FENCE, THE RIGHT ARM FENCE REDUCED TO FOUR FEET.

THE FENCE ON THE SOUTH OR THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS PICTURE REDUCED TO FOUR FEET, NOT TO EXTEND PAST WHERE THE GARBAGE ENCLOSURE IS, WHICH IS SET JUST BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE, THE FENCE TO THE NORTH, WE CAN RESOLVE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.

THE WOOD PRIVACY.

CORRECT.

AND THEN THE IRON FENCE, IT SOUNDED LIKE A WOBBLY YES.

THAT YOU WILL BRING IT DOWN TO FOUR FEET, MA'AM? UH, IT, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IT WAS CUSTOM MADE THAT IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE I HAVE, YEAH.

SO IN, IN AS MUCH AS I'M WILLING TO DO, IT WOULDN'T, NEW ONE THIS WAS CUSTOM MADE, IT'S GONNA COST ME MONEY TO APPROVE IT WHEN YOU DO A NEW ONE, I WOULD, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SIT IF THE COMMITTEE CAN ALLOW ME TO LEAVE IT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST MADE FOR THIS PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GONNA GO AROUND IT WITHOUT HAVING TO CREATE A NEW ONE.

AND MA'AM, DID YOU GET, SO APPARENTLY THE WHOLE NEW, IT'S A WHOLE NEW BUILD.

YOU DID GET HDRC APPROVAL, RIGHT? YES.

SO THEN HOW IS IT A SURPRISE THAT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE REGULATIONS TO FOLLOW? WELL, I DID ACTUALLY ASK FOR AN INSPECTION.

I WAS TOLD THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN INSPECTED.

SO IF I HAD KNOWN, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD'VE JUST LET THEM GO AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS.

SO I'M NOT BLAMING OR TRYING TO MOVE AWAY.

THAT WAS WHY I SAID THE LEO FENCE, I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT DOWN, BUT SOMETHING THAT WAS CUSTOM MADE AND IT'S ONE FEET OR WHATEVER HIGHER, IF I CAN'T CUT IT DOWN, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.

OR IF I CANNOT, THEN I'LL HAVE TO GO AND MAKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY BRAND NEW.

AND THE EXISTING ONE HAS BEEN THERE, NO ONE ACTUALLY MADE UP SO WORRIED FOR THEM TO PUT IT DOWN.

SO YES, I'M, I'M TRYING TO BE COMPLIANT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO, BUT I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

WHY EVERYTHING ELSE THE NEIGHBOR WASN'T.

EDWARD, CAN YOU SHOW PICTURES OF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IRON FENCE RIGHT NOW, MA'AM.

UH, CAN YOU SHOW PICTURES OF THE IRON FENCE

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I HOPE SO.

AND NOW, AS I SAID, I WILL REVIEW IT.

I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, BUT I'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF.

IT'S OUT OF COMPLIANCE RIGHT NOW.

SO, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU WOULD BRING IT DOWN TO FOUR FEET.

BUT LET ME PASS IT ON TO MY OTHER COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SEPULVEDA ONLINE.

MADAM CHAIR? YES.

EXCUSE ME.

UM, CAN I GO BACK TO THE, THE CASE MANAGER? I'M SORRY, I, I'M AT A LITTLE BIT OF A DISADVANTAGE.

CAN YOU, IT SAID THE, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED AND THE CASE MANAGER ON THIS ONE, IS THIS BRIAN OR BRANDON? UH, NO, THIS IS EDWARD.

EDWARD, EDWARD ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE WR WR IRON FENCE? SO THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION HAD A SHEET, UM, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE DETAILS AND WHATNOT THAT INCLUDED THIS DOCUMENT.

UM, SO, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE FENCING THAT WAS INSTALLED, THIS IS WHAT STAFF IS REFERENCING.

THIS WAS SUBMITTED FOR HDRC APPROVAL IN OCTOBER 23.

UH, SO IT NOTES A THREE FOOT TALL ROD IRON FENCE.

UH, SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE REFERENCING FROM, FROM THE PAST APPROVAL.

SO ORIGINALLY FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE DESIGN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS ZERO TO THREE FEET IN, AT NO POINT WAS IT EVER SUBMITTED THAT IT WAS ZERO TO FIVE OR SIX FEET, CORRECT? IT IT, YES MA'AM.

IT WAS SUBMITTED AS, AS THREE FEET IN HEIGHT.

SO BASICALLY THERE WAS THE INSTRUCTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT WAS THE COMPLIANCE THAT WAS AGREED UPON FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

UH, THIS WAS WHAT THE APPLICANT INCLUDED.

SO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS WHAT WE ASSUME WILL BE EXECUTED IF IT'S INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION.

SO THEREFORE, WITH THIS DESIGN AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED WAS ZERO TO THREE FEET FROM THE INITIAL COMPLIANCE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

I JUST WANNA CONFIRM.

SO THAT'S THE CONFIRMATION THAT INSTRUCTIONS WERE SUBMITTED.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THE APPLICATION ONE MORE TIME? SO THE OTHER REQUEST WAS THE SIDE FENCING.

WE HAVE THE CEDAR POST, CORRECT.

SO THERE'S A PRIVACY FENCE.

I'LL GO TO THIS PHOTO.

THERE'S A PRIVACY FENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT IS NEW.

THE PRIVACY FENCE ON THE NORTH SIDE REPLACED AN EXISTING PRIVACY FENCE.

UM, OKAY.

SO THE FENCE ON HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, IF THE APPLICANT CAN DROP THAT.

NO, NO, THAT'S GOOD.

AND THEN, SO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION GO BACK TO THE, TO THE, UH, TO THE APPLICATION ONE MORE TIME.

AND THE DESIGN ONE MORE TIME.

THANK YOU EDWARD, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.

NO WORRIES.

OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I, I UNDERSTOOD.

SO BASICALLY INSTRUCTIONS AND DIRECTIONS WERE ALREADY PROVIDED BASED ON THE DESIGN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WAS ACTUALLY OBTAINED.

SO THE CLARIFICATION WAS ALREADY PROVIDED BEFOREHAND THEN? CORRECT.

I, I JUST WANT, I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION.

UM, JASON, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AND QUESTIONS WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION BY COMMISSION.

WE CAN PUT THAT ELEMENT OF IT TO THE SIDE.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? GO AHEAD, CHRIS.

JUST, UM, QUICK QUESTION, UH, UH, THE FENCE ON THE LEFT AND THE NORTH SIDE, HOW IS THAT GONNA BE ADDRESSED? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

SO THE FENCE IS AN EXISTING FENCE.

UM, I'LL PULL THIS UP.

I'M ON GOOGLE REAL QUICK.

SO LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

THERE'S A NEW FENCE THERE THAT REPLACED THIS EXISTING FENCE.

UH, IN SOME INSTANCES THAT YOU COULD SAY THAT THAT'S GRANDFATHERED, IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, I WANNA SUBMIT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPAIR THAT FENCE, IT'S AN EXISTING FENCE IN PLACE.

UH, TYPICALLY WHEN THAT FENCE IS REMOVED, UM, AND REINSTALLED OR NEW FENCE IS INSTALLED, UH, IT DOES NEED TO ABIDE BY THE GUIDELINES.

UM, NOW, UM, REGARDING WHOSE PROPERTY IT'S ON, UM, GENERALLY I THINK WE'RE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S INCLUDED IN THE SITE PLAN.

UH, AND IT'S A NEW FENCE SO THAT IT WAS DONE BY THIS PROPERTY OWNER.

UM,

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UM, AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

UM, IT WOULD BE BEST IF IT WAS SET BEHIND, BUT IF IT'S ON THE, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPERTY, UM, THEN IT'S PROBABLY ACTING AS THEIR REAR FENCE, UH, WHICH COULD EXTEND TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

UH, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN GET ACTION ON THE FRONT FENCE AND THE FENCE ON THE SOUTH.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT AND SEE, UH, WHOSE PROPERTY THE, THE NORTH FENCE IS ON.

ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO TELL LIKE THROUGH DDST PERMITS, UH, WHOSE FENCE IT IS? IT WOULD REALLY, NO, WITHOUT GOING INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL.

GO AHEAD CHRIS.

UH, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY, THE UH, NO MORE THAN FOUR FOOT RULE, UH, FOR THE FRONT, UH, WROUGHT IRON FENCE ALSO APPLIES TO THE GATE AS WELL.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT? NO, THANK YOU.

AM I RIGHT? OKAY.

UM, ANY DISCUSSION? NOPE.

ONLINE ANY DISCUSSION? NO.

I HAVE NONE AT THIS TIME.

UM, CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE SOUTH FENCE, UH, THAT THE OWNER WORK WITH STAFF IN REGARD TO, UM, CLARIFYING THE SITUATION FOR THE SOUTH FENCE, NORTH FENCE.

I SECOND THAT.

UH, CAN I HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OF THE NORTH? I THINK IT'S THE NORTH FENCE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

TO NOT THE SOUTH FENCE, BUT THE NORTH FENCE.

AND THAT'S BEEN SECONDED.

NO, I, I HAVE SECONDED.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.

PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON NEXT STEPS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 0 1 9 20 55 WEST, WE SATCH AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, NUMBER ONE, REMOVE EXISTING WATERFALL SIDING FROM THE FRONT FACADE AND REPLACE WITH THE NEW SIDING PROFILE.

NUMBER TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING FENESTRATION AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE WEST FACADE.

NUMBER THREE, REPLACE EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS.

AND NUMBER FOUR, ENCLOSED EXISTING GABLE VENTS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.

NUMBER ONE, REINSTALL A HISTORIC SITING PROFILE AT THE FRONT FACADE MATCHING EXISTING.

NUMBER TWO, RESTORE THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING SEPARATED BY SIX INCH MILLIONS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE STRUCTURE AND INSTALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS OR A SALVAGED WOOD WINDOW WHERE REMOVED.

NUMBER THREE, INSTALL THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS OR SALVAGED WOOD WINDOWS AT THE FRONT FACADE.

AND ANYWHERE ELSE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE REMOVED AND OR REPLACED.

NUMBER FOUR, RESTORE THE EXISTING GABLE VENTS TO THEIR ORIGINAL CONDITION.

UH, WE HAVE CLINTON POPIN POPIN HERE, UM, AND YOU CAN APPROACH THE DAIS.

THAT WAS ONE NOISE.

YOU WILL PRESS THAT BUTTON THERE.

UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN PRESENT YOUR REQUEST.

I'M CLINTON POPHAM.

YOU PRESENT IT OR, UH, NO, YOU'RE GOOD.

IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERY SINGLE HOUSE HAS A DIFFERENT PROFILE SIDING, UM, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN REMODELED SINCE 1928.

UM, YEAH, WHEN, WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE TO, TO FLIP IT HAD ALUMINUM SIDING COVERING UP ROTTEN WATERFALL.

UM, PREVIOUS TO US STARTING CONSTRUCTION, EVERY WINDOW IN THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN REPLACED, MINUS THE ONE THAT FACES LAKE.

THERE WAS TWO WINDOWS THERE, UM, WOOD WINDOWS THAT WERE IN BAD SHAPE.

EVERY OTHER WINDOW THERE HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM, LOW E GLASS.

SOMEONE HAS ALREADY REMODELED IT, REWIRED IT.

UM, AND THEN, UH, YEAH, SO BECAUSE IT HAD ALUMINUM SIDING ON IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF, OF WOODLAWN AND LAKE THAT SOMEONE BUILT PERMITS, RIGHT? BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

IT'S GOT TONGUE AND GROOVE SIDING ON IT.

UM, SO I KNOW IT'S HISTORIC, BUT

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UM, SO BECAUSE IT HAD ALUMINUM METAL SIDING ON IT, WE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD DO A SIDING THAT WAS NOT FROM 1928.

SO WE KIND OF PROPOSED ONCE WE GOT INVOLVED WITH Y'ALL, THAT IF WE PUT THE WATERFALL EVERYWHERE ON THE HOUSE MINUS THE FRONT, WE WANTED TO DO TONGUE AND GROOVE.

UM, LIKE SAY THE WINDOWS.

WE REPLACED THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE LEFT.

UM, THE KITCHEN WINDOW WAS BROKEN ALUMINUM LOW E SO WE REPLACED THAT THREE BY THREE WINDOW AS WELL THERE, UM, WITH AN UPGRADED WINDOW.

UM, BUT IN THE PAST, ALL THE WINDOWS HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACED WITH WOOD WEIGHTED WINDOWS FROM 1928.

UM, SO THE ONLY WINDOWS THAT WE DID REPLACE WERE, WERE THE TWO FACING THE STREET.

UM, THE GABLE VENTS, UM, LOUVER, SHUTTER STYLE GABLE VENTS, ALSO IN BAD CONDITION.

UM, SO OUR IDEA IS TO FIX UP THE HOUSE, TRY TO SELL IT FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS AND BEAUTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A HOUSE THAT WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE WHEN WE GOT AHOLD OF IT.

UM, SO WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE Y'ALL LET US CHANGE THE SIDING ON THE FRONT AND KEEP THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE LEFT, AND WE WANT TO DO MORE WORK.

BUT THAT'LL BE OUR NEXT MEETING.

GREAT.

UM, STAFF, REALLY QUICK, WAS THERE AN INITIAL C OF A, UH, NO, UM, REQUESTED FOR ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION UPON PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR ANY OF THE WORK THAT YOU SEE THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY COMPLETED? UM, NO.

COA HAD BEEN APPLIED FOR NOR ISSUED.

ALSO NO PERMITS WERE INITIALLY PULLED, SO THE STRIKE TEAM HAD COME OUT.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, I BELIEVE.

I THINK HISTORIC TOLD THE STRIKE TEAM.

SO Y'ALL FOUND OUT ABOUT IT FIRST.

UM, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BY THE COLOR OF THE SIGNS, BUT THE REALTOR WE BOUGHT IT FROM SAID IT WASN'T HISTORIC AND WE HAD OUR ELECTRICAL PERMIT, UM, PRIOR TO THE STRIKE TEAM GETTING INVOLVED.

AND WHEN WE STARTED THE PROJECT WAS THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS AND THE WEEK OF JANUARY, AND WE WERE UNABLE TO GET THE PERMITS PULLED.

AND PRETTY MUCH THE DAY THE STRIKE TEAM CAME OUT IS WHEN WE WERE PULLING THE HVAC AND THE PLUMBING PERMIT.

SO WE HAD ONE PERMIT IN PLACE AND THEN I WANTED TO DO AN ADDITION AND I WASN'T CERTIFIED AS THE EXTRA LICENSE THAT WE NEED, THAT I HAD TO GO TAKE A TEST SEVERAL TIMES TO PASS, BUT I PASSED IT.

UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, STILL OUR FAULT.

BUT THAT'S WHY THE, THE BUILDING PERMIT PART, THE REMODEL PERMIT PART WAS NOT PULLED IN A TIMELY MANNER.

BUT THE REALTOR TOLD YOU IT'S NOT HISTORIC, EVEN THOUGH THE STREET SIGN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET SAYS, UH, HUNDRED HISTORIC DISTRICT.

YEAH, AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME, SO AS SOON AS I SAW THE BROWN SIGNS, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

UM, BUT THEN THINKING SINCE THE HOUSE WAS NOT ANY LONGER IN HISTORIC CONDITION, UM, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE IN, WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO DO SOME STUFF THAT WASN'T, WELL, IT'S SADLY BEEN STRIPPED OF HISTORIC CONDITION, BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN CHANGE THAT.

UM, OKAY, LET ME ASK MY COLLEAGUES ONLINE PLEASE.

MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HEY, AND CAN WE GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION? I WANTED TO, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, I'M, I'M GONNA DISADVANTAGE READING SOME OF THE THINGS.

UH, WHAT EXACTLY WERE YOU, UM, LOOKING TO SEE? LET'S LOOK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CMA.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UM, WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL REQUEST? OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE, I DUNNO, UH, ON THE VERBIAGE ON THE GABLES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

GO BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT THERE.

UM, THAT'S IT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

AND THIS WAS STILL AFTER THE, THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS PUT IN PLACE? CORRECT.

AND NO WORK HAS DONE SINCE IT, SINCE THE, UH, THE STOP, SINCE THE STOP WORK WAS, WAS ISSUED? NO.

STOP WORK ISSUED? YES, MA'AM.

WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN BACK ON IT FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS.

UM, YEAH, WE, AFTER THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED, UH, STAFF NOTICED THAT THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE SOUTHWESTERN FACADE, WELL, THREE WINDOWS, HISTORIC WINDOWS HAD BEEN REMOVED AND THEN REPLACED WITH TWO NONCONFORMING WINDOWS.

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CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN TO E AND A PLEASE? UH, JUST GO JUST A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN SEE EE UP THERE A LITTLE BIT.

HAS ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL WORK BEEN DONE IN, IN SINCE THEN? YES, MA'AM.

CAITLIN, UM, UNSURE.

I DO THINK THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

UM, IT'S BEEN HARD AS STAFF TO REALLY IDENTIFY WHAT EXACTLY HAS OCCURRED, UM, POST-OP WORK ORDER, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT, UM, AT LEAST ONE WINDOW HAS BEEN ENCLOSED ON THE FRONT FACADE, UH, TEMPORARILY PERHAPS.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH A NON-CONFORMING WINDOW PRODUCT ELSEWHERE ON THE STRUCTURE.

I, I AM UNSURE EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.

IT'S BEEN HARD TO DETERMINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR? ACTUALLY, YES.

SO UHHUH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, AT, AT THE MATERIAL AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MAKING REFERENCE THAT, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS AND IS FAMILIAR WITH HISTORICAL, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE IN LOOKING WITH THIS, THERE WAS NO CMA, UM, WORKING WITH HISTORICAL WORK WAS CONTINUED.

UM, THE WORK ORDERS PER RIGHT AND THE SIGNS ARE PRETTY STATED, SO THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION AT THIS POINT.

YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL GO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AFTER MY OTHER COLLEAGUES, UM, KIND OF STEP IN AND ANSWER YOUR, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

UH, QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUE ON THE RIGHT.

UH, YES.

SO, UM, YOU WANTED TO REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING WITH JUST TONGUE AND GROOVE VERSUS THE WATERFALL PROFILE.

MA, IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE FRONT, ON THE, THE, THE FRONT ON THE PART THAT'S NOT OUT, THAT'S OUTSIDE THE PRIVACY FENCE.

SO THE FRONT LEFT CORNER, WHICH IS LIKE 12 FEET, AND THEN ACROSS THE FRONT OF THIS, THE FIREPLACE WALL.

SO HOW ARE YOU THINKING TO RECONCILE THAT WHERE ONE MEETS THE OTHER? UM, IT, IT TURNS BACK.

SO WE HAVE THE FRONT HOUSE, SO WE HAVE THE, THE DRIVEWAY SIDE HERE.

AND SO FROM FROM THIS CORNER, WE'D HAVE THE WATERFALL UP TO THIS CORNER AND WHICH FACES THE NEIGHBOR.

SO WE WOULD JUST DO THE FRONT OF, UM, SATCH AND THEN LIKE 12 FEET OF LAKE, AND THEN THE HOUSE TURNS BACK AGAIN.

SO IT WOULD JUST BE THAT L SHAPE THAT WOULD BE TONGUE AND GROOVE.

AND THEN BASICALLY EVERYTHING ON THE DRIVEWAY SIDE AND BEHIND THE PRIVACY FENCE WOULD ALL GO BACK TO WATERFALL.

AND WATERFALL WOULD BE PAINTED AND THE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOULD BE STAIN.

AND UM, WHAT IS YOUR REASONING FOR THAT VERSUS JUST REPLACING THE ORIGINAL JUST LOOKS PROFILE WITH MM-HMM .

YOU CAN STILL GET WATERFALL SIDING, RIGHT? OH, YES MA'AM.

SO IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT YES MA'AM, I HAVE SOME UP RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND IS THIS THE FIRST PROJECT THAT YOU'VE DONE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD? YES, MA'AM.

AND, UM, YOU WERE NOT AWARE THAT YOU NEEDED TO MEET WITH ANYBODY IN REGARD TO THE WORK YOU WERE GONNA DO? NO, MA'AM.

I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST PULL OUR REMODEL PERMIT AND, UM, YEAH.

BUT THIS IS EXTERIOR WORK, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

SO IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S THE, THE CONTEXT RIGHT? THAT, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT TO TRY AND PRESERVE.

UM, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD THAT YOU HAD ALUMINUM SIDING OVER IT IF SOMEBODY WAS GONNA ADD SOMETHING, BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY ACTUALLY PROTECTED, UH, SOME OF THE WOOD, UH, THROUGH THE YEARS THAT IT WAS ON THERE.

UH, SO THAT WHEN IT WAS PULLED OFF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A REALLY GOOD, NOT ALL OF THAT WAS ROTTED THROUGH.

SO THAT GAVE YOU A GOOD START TO BRING IT BACK TO CONTEXT, RIGHT? A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

IF IT WAS TO GO BACK WITH WATERFALL.

MOST OF THE TIME WHEN SEARS WENT OUT AND PUT THAT ALUMINUM SIDING OVER THE, THE WOOD SIDING, UM, IT'S NOT LIKE NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE, WHERE WE DO PROTECT THE WOOD, SO ACTUALLY JUST CONTINUES TO ROT AND DECAY AND IT'S BEEN SPLICED IN, IN, IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.

MM-HMM .

YEAH.

AND LIKE CUT OUT FOR MM-HMM .

WINDOW UNITS.

YEAH.

AND, AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT MM-HMM .

SO FOR IT TO LOOK GOOD AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO REPLACE IT OR COVER IT, YOU KNOW, GRANTED WITH THE WATERFALL, WHICH WOULD MEET THE LOOK THAT IT HAD.

UM, BUT AS A REMODELER I WOULD, I WOULD ALWAYS, IN A HOUSE LIKE THIS, I WOULD JUST REPLACE IT.

UM, EVEN

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UM, ALRIGHT.

SO THEN, UM, ONCE YOU WERE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER, CAN I ASK YOU WHY YOU FELT THE NEED TO PROCEED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION? UM, WE, WE, WE ULTIMATELY DID STOP UNTIL WE GOT OUR OTHER PERMITS AND THEN WE STARTED BACK ON THE INSIDE PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL.

BUT, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD ALUMINUM SIDING OFF AND WE HAD WINDOWS UNITS OFF AND WE HAD WINDOWS OFF, I NEEDED TO PROTECT MY INVESTMENT, WHICH WAS TO PUT THOSE TWO WINDOWS IN AND COVER THE OUTSIDE WITH TIEBACK.

ONCE THE TIEBACK WAS ON THERE, WHICH WE, I ASKED THE CITY IF I COULD DO, WE, WE DID NOTHING ELSE ON THE OUTSIDE.

I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS IF YOU'RE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CONTINUED TO DO WORK ON THE OUTSIDE, EVEN IF IT WAS JUST TO PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM .

WHAT YOU DO ON THE INSIDE IF YOU'VE GOT PERMITS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO THE OUTSIDE WHERE SO MANY CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE THAT STAFF CAN'T EVEN REALLY DETERMINE WHAT'S BEEN DONE AND WHAT HAS NOT.

WELL, THE ONLY THING I DID AFTER WE GOT THAT WAS THOSE TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE ON THE LEFT SIDE.

OTHER THAN THAT WE DID NOT CONTINUE WORKING ON THE FACADE OTHER THAN TO WRAP IT WITH TY BACK THE RIGHT WINDOW.

THAT'S THE NEW LAUNDRY ROOM WAS, WAS ALREADY GONE, WAS ALREADY OUT BY THE TIME WE GOT THAT STOP WORK.

UM, SO WE DID PUT THOSE TWO WINDOWS OUT.

UM, ALL RIGHT.

THREE WINDOWS TO TWO WINDOWS.

SO THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

I'LL RESERVE.

WE ALREADY HAD THE SITE OPENED UP THE RIGHT FOR COMMENTS.

UM, INSIDE AND OUT WAS OPENED UP.

SO JUST READY FOR WATER INFILTRATION.

THANK YOU, SIR, GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT AND I, I THINK IT SORT OF DOVETAILS INTO THE LAST TWO COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

SO AM I CORRECT THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE UNAWARE, YOU HAVE STATED THAT YOU WERE UNAWARE THAT IT WAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT YOU HAVE NEVER, YOU HAD UP TO THIS POINT NOT CONSULTED WITH THE MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT ASSOCIATION, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, YES MA'AM.

AND SINCE THE STOP WORK ORDER, UH, WHEN IT WAS NOTIFIED TO YOU THAT IT WAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND BECAUSE OF THAT THE WORK NEEDED TO STOP, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO THAT ASSOCIATION SINCE THE STOP WORK ORDER? I HAVE NOT.

THE DAY I GOT THE STOP WORK ORDER, I WENT DOWN TO HISTORIC AND TALKED TO A GENTLEMAN.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS AT, AT THE CITY.

BUT NOT, NOT THE MONTICELLO DISTRICT? NO, MA'AM.

THAT, THOSE WERE MY TWO QUESTIONS.

THERE'S A LOT 15, BUT ALL OF THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REPLACED PRIOR TO US BUYING THE HOUSE.

WHERE ARE THE WINDOWS YOU TOOK OUT? GONE TRASH.

AND SO AFTER THE STOP WORK ORDER, YOU BASICALLY LIKE CUT OPEN A WALL TO TAKE OUT THE THREE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE.

WE ALREADY HAD THE WALL AND THEN REBUILT THE WALL AND LIKE REPLACE THE TWO WINDOWS PRIOR TO THE STOP ORDER.

WE HAD THAT WHOLE WALL DECONSTRUCTED FROM THE INSIDE.

UM, AND WE HAD ALL THE SIDING AND STUFF OFF FROM THE OUTSIDE, THE ALUMINUM SIDING, UM, WHICH HAD J TRIM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THE ORIGINAL TRIM AND STUFF LIKE THAT WAS NOT THERE AND THEY WERE THREE WOOD WEIGHTED WINDOWS AND, AND I THINK WE DID THAT THE SAME DAY WE GOT THE, THE, THE PAPER.

UM, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I WENT DOWN AND TALKED AND THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.

AND THEN WE STOPPED.

OTHER THAN I ASKED IF WE COULD, COULD PUT THE TIME BACK UP.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? GO AHEAD CHRIS.

UH, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP, UH, REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS OR LETTERS FROM THEM.

NONE.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE SIR? UH, WHY? I'LL GET TO YOU JUST A MINUTE, JUANITA.

UH, WHY DID YOU, SO THEY PRESENTED IT, THE STOP WORK ORDER TO YOU, THE SAME DAY YOU THREW AWAY THE WINDOWS IN THE TRASH? UM, POSSIBLY MM-HMM .

SO WHEN I, SO THEN YOU PUT IT JUST, I SHOWED UP LIKE MY GUYS WERE THERE WORKING, SO, SO MY CONSTRUCTION GUYS WERE THERE WORKING AND I GOT THE CALL ABOUT A LETTER.

SO I WENT OVER THERE AND I WAS LIKE, IT, YOU KNOW, I BASICALLY THOUGHT IT WAS ADDRESSING THE SIGHTING.

UM, AND THEN SO WHILE THEY WERE WORKING, I WENT DOWN TO HISTORIC TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT I COULD AND COULDN'T DO.

AND THAT'S WHEN I HAD TO SUBMIT FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH I'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE.

SO I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT PROCESS.

SO I STARTED THAT PROCESS ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

THOSE WINDOWS WERE COMING OUT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WINDOWS ARE IN THE HOUSE,

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ALL OF THEM MADE IT REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM LOW E WINDOWS.

THE ONLY THREE THAT HAD NEVER BEEN REPLACED WERE THE THREE DAMAGED WOOD WINDOWS.

SO SINCE ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS WERE ALREADY UPGRADED, YOU KNOW, TO PUT OKAY.

THREE WINDOWS BACK IN, I THOUGHT WAS NOT PART OF WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO STOP.

ALRIGHT.

AND ONE OF THE PICTURES, KAITLIN, ISN'T THERE A PICTURE OF A DUMPSTER? UM, LET ME SEE.

MAYBE I HAVE, OH, THERE IT WAS.

SO WHAT'S IN THERE? UM, INSIDE STUFF, DRYWALL, TONGUE GROOVE.

ARE YOUR WINDOWS IN THERE? ARE YOUR IT'S A SIDING IN THERE THAT SHE TOOK OFF.

NO, THAT DUMPSTERS LONG GONE, SO WE HAD TO STOP THE PROJECT, SO WE GOT IT HAULED OFF.

UM, BUT SIDING, LIKE THE ALUMINUM SIDING THAT WE TOOK OFF, YEAH, ACTUALLY THAT WAS IN THE FRONT YARD AND SOMEBODY RELIEVED US OF IT.

ALRIGHT, UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO, OH, SORRY.

ONE MORE QUESTION ONLINE PLEASE.

SO ARE WE THE STATE A ASK HIM QUESTION, ASK THE A QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

SAY IT AGAIN.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I CAN CLARIFY.

START ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.

SO KATELIN, THE APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WAS SUBMITTED WHEN YOU START WITH THAT.

LET ME, UM, THIS WAS RECEIVED JANUARY 6TH.

THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED JANUARY 4TH.

THE STRIKE TEAM VISITED ON JANUARY 7TH.

GO BACK UP TO THE TOP ONE MORE TIME PLEASE.

I HAVE OKAY, SIR, YOUR NAME? YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? CLINTON POPHAM.

MR. POPPEN? YES, MA'AM.

SO YOU STATED THAT YOU, WHEN WAS THE TOP PURCHASED BY YOU? UM, I DIDN'T GET THAT.

SORRY.

WHEN, WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE, WHEN WAS IT PURCHASED? WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THIS HOUSE? UM, PROBABLY LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS, I THINK, IS WHEN WE SIGNED THE PAPERWORK THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

MM-HMM .

AND I BELIEVE YOU INFORMED THE COMMISSION THAT YOU, YOU'VE BEEN DOING THESE FOR A FEW YEARS.

I'VE HAD A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY FOR 25 YEARS, UM, 25, SOME NEW HOUSES, SOME REMODEL, LEMME GO BACK FOR 25 YEARS.

I'M GONNA START WITH THAT.

MM-HMM .

SO IN 25 YEARS, I'M GATHERING THAT YOU DO RESEARCH BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

AND THEN DOING RESEARCH, YOU SAID YOU, YOU SAID YOU SAW THE SIGN, THE HISTORICAL SIGN, A FEW HUNDRED YARDS AWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

IT'S NOT THAT FAR.

SO I MEAN, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BY THE COLOR OF THE, SO IT WAS VISIBLE, YES OR NO? YES, IT WAS VISIBLE.

AND THE DAY YOU RECEIVED THE VIOLATION, YOU MADE A CALL AND CONTACTED, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEE THE VIOLATION UNTIL YOUR WORK WAS STOPPED.

YOU TOLD THEM TO CONTINUE PRETTY MUCH, IS THAT CORRECT? I WENT AND GOT THE PAPERWORK, YES.

I I I THE QUESTION.

THE QUESTION WAS, SIR, IS WHEN YOU RECEIVED THE VIOLATION, YOU DIDN'T SEE THE WORK, YOU PROCEEDED TO THE HISTORICAL OFFICE WHILE YOU HAD YOUR WORKERS CONTINUE TO WORK AND NOT HEATED THE VIOLATION, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.

THEN UPON RECEIVING THE VIOLATION, YOU CONTINUED AND ADDED AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW AFTER YOU RECEIVED THE VIOLATION TO CEASE WORK, CORRECT? YES OR NO? YES.

YES, I BELIEVE SO.

I, I REPLACED THE TWO WOOD WINDOWS, THE THREE WOOD WINDOWS.

THAT'S SO, YES, THE ANSWER IS YES.

THEN YOU SAID THAT WHEN YOU RES REMOVE THE ALUMINUM SIDING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU DISPARED ALL THE DAMAGE NOW BEING IN CONSTRUCTION, WHICH YOU STATED YOU'VE BEEN IN FOR 25 YEARS, AND THEN YOU DO RESEARCH.

NOW LET'S COMBINE THAT WITH THE VIOLATION THAT YOU RECEIVED AND THE 25 YEARS OF KNOWLEDGE OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE RESEARCH THAT YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF DOING, AND THEN THAT YOU HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE HISTORICAL OFFICE.

DID YOU DO RESEARCH THAT ONCE YOU REMOVED THE ALUMINUM SIGN THAT MADE YOU LIVE, DID YOU RESEARCH ON WHAT WAS IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT THAT YOU HAD DISCOVERED FROM THE SIGN THAT WAS VISIBLE ONLY BE A FEW YARDS AWAY?

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THERE'S A QUESTION IN THERE, BUT THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO.

SHE ASKING IT WAS A QUESTION.

WOULD YOU RESTATE THAT JUANITA? SO UPON, SO MY, MY GUESS MY CONCERN IS AT THIS POINT THE WINDOWS ARE GONE.

YOU'RE WANTING US TO MODIFY ON WHAT HISTORICALLY IS THERE, AND I BELIEVE STAFF IS REQUESTING WHAT CALIN, UM, ESSENTIALLY THAT ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS RESTORED.

SO TECHNICALLY REINSTALL A HISTORIC SITING PROFILE AT THE FRONT FACADE TO MATCH EXISTING.

SO WATERFALL RESTORED THE, UM, EXISTING FENESTRATION TO INCLUDE THE THREE WINDOWS WITH EITHER THE ORIGINAL ONES, WHICH WE NOW KNOW, UM, ARE IN THE TRASH.

SO THEN A SALVAGE WOOD WINDOW, UM, AND THEN ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WINDOWS HAD BEEN REMOVED, ALUMINUM WOOD, ORIGINAL OR NOT.

UM, THE, THE ALUMINUM ONES ARE, UM, REPLACED WITH A, A PRODUCT THAT MATCHES THE STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT, UM, AND THEN RESTORE THE EXISTING GABLE VENTS TO THEIR ORIGINAL CONDITION.

MADAM CHAIR? MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S ALL.

THAT WAS ALL, YES.

I'M SORRY.

THAT WAS ALL MY COMMENT AT THE MOMENT.

AND MY QUESTIONS.

UH, REALLY QUICK, CAITLIN.

SO AFTER THE INITIAL STOP WORK ORDER, THE STRIKE TEAM CAME OUT.

CAN YOU TELL, UH, MY COLLEAGUES AND OTHERS ABOUT WHAT THAT, HOW THE STRIKE TEAM IS TRIGGERED AND WHAT IT'S COMPOSED OF? YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY, I REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

I THINK, CORY, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR ME? CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT TRIGGERS THE STRIKE TEAM AND WHAT IT'S COMPOSED OF? SURE.

UM, SO THE STRIKE TEAM IS A, UH, A TEAM AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CODE ENFORCEMENT.

UM, THAT THEIR ROLE IS SPECIFIC TO PREVIOUSLY VACANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDERGOING REHABILITATION.

UM, FLIPPING IS THE WORD THAT GETS USED A LOT.

AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE GETTING THE RIGHT PERMITS AND SCHEDULING INSPECTIONS.

UM, WHEN YOU ARE FOUND IN VIOLATION OF, OF PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND ARE, UH, FLAGGED BY THE STRIKE TEAM, THEY REALLY DIG IN AND VISIT THE SITE QUITE A BIT.

AND YOU HAVE AN ASSIGNED OFFICER THAT, UM, WORKS WITH YOU TO, UH, COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND TO GET ALL OF THOSE RIGHT PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS.

AND SO, UM, WE ASKED THE STRIKE TEAM, UM, BECAUSE THERE WERE NO PERMITS WHEN WE DID OUR STOP RECORDER TO INVESTIGATE.

AND SO THEY DID FIND THAT THERE WAS, UM, WORK WITHOUT PERMITS AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE STRIKE TEAM IS JUST A, OR NOT JUST, BUT IS LIKE A, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRYING TO ENFORCE AND BRING THEM INTO CODE, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S A SPECIALTY.

GO AHEAD.

UH, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.

THE, THE OWNER OF THE HOST IS, IS DARWIN BOER AND STEVEN NORIEGA IS THE APPLICANT.

SO ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU RELATED TO THIS PROJECT OR WHAT'S YOUR CAPACITY HERE IS LIKE, I'M THE DELEGATE FOR TRIPOD CONTRACTING, STEVEN NORIEGA, AND, UM, I'M ACTUALLY PARTNERS ON THE HOUSE WITH DARWIN ECKER WHO BOUGHT THE HOUSE.

BUT YOU'RE NOT AN ACTUAL OWNER? WELL, NOT LEGALLY ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER, BUT YES.

SO WHEN WE, WHEN HE WENT AND FILED THE PAPERWORK, KEEP OUT IT, BUT WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT TOGETHER, WE SELL THE HOUSE, I GET MY SHARE OF THE PROFIT.

SO WHO MAKES THE DECISIONS ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A STOP WORK ORDER IS ISSUED OR WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE BETWEEN, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE, UH, THREE OWNERS OF THE HOME.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THREE OWNERS OF THE HOME, DARWIN, BOER, MAYHEW, KORAN, AND SHARON, JAY.

THOSE WERE THE PEOPLE THAT SOLD THE HOUSE.

THE TWO LAST NAMES, THOSE ARE THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS, THE TWO, YEAH.

SO DARWIN IS THE NEW OWNER SOMETIMES, UM, I'VE NOTICED BCA DOESN'T QUITE CATCH UP AND SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE HEADER IS PULLED DIRECTLY FROM BAD.

AND SO I THINK BECAUSE THE SALE WAS SO RECENT, IT MIGHT JUST HAVE NOT.

OKAY, WE'LL MOVE TO COMMENTS NOW.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? NO, MA'AM.

NO, SIR.

HOUSE WAS IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT THAT MEANT, BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF LAYERS, RIGHT? THERE IS THE MONTICELLO, UH, HISTORIC ASSOCIATION OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ON MY RIGHT, UH, YES.

UM, I THINK THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS CIRCUMSTANCE OCCURRED FOR YOU.

UM, THIS, YOU KNOW, LACK OF UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WERE, THAT THIS

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AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, IT'S IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MEANS THAT IT HAS TO COME TO THIS BODY, RIGHT, FOR APPROVAL OF THE MATERIALS THAT YOU USE AND IN SOME CASE CASES INSTALLATION.

UM, SO I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, BE SUPPORTING YOUR REQUEST BECAUSE I THINK THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH WHAT IT IS THAT YOU DO.

THAT YOU COME IN, YOU FIX A HOUSE, AND THEN YOU WANNA MAKE A PROFIT ON IT.

I THINK THAT'S FINE, BUT I THINK THAT YOU'RE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY HERE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND YOU REALLY TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE, AND YOU TAKE THE CARE TO RESTORE SOMETHING TO ITS NATURAL BEAUTY, THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY IN THE END.

BUT IF YOU ARE JUST FLIPPING, THEN YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KIND OF MINE FIELDS YOU'RE GONNA FIND.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND, UM, AT SOME POINT I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION.

COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT.

GO AHEAD, CHRIS.

UH, I JUST WANT TO, UH, SECOND, UH, MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS THAT, UH, UH, IT, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE ABOUT THE, UH, MISCOMMUNICATIONS, BUT I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT, UH, ON ONE HAND THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND, YOU KNOW, BY, UM, TAKING SOME ENERGY TO WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE, THE GOOGLE, UH, VIEW VIEWS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS FOR THIS HOUSE, IT'S, IT'S HAD A ROUGH TIME.

UM, SO BY STABILIZING IT, GETTING IN GOOD CONDITION AND GETTING A, UM, A SOLID NEW OWNER, IT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL REVIVED ASSET FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND BECAUSE IT'S ON A CORNER LOT ACROSS FROM A SCHOOL, NO LESS, UM, A PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT LANDMARK FOR PEOPLE TO SEE AS THEY PASS BY BOTH OF THOSE STREETS AND THE SCHOOL.

UM, ALSO I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT YOU, THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS WERE CREATED SPECIFICALLY TO HELP, UH, REMIND US OF SOME OF THE TRADITIONS AND ARCHITECTURE THAT GO BACK TO THIS TIME PERIOD.

AND THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS THAT SEEM TO BE MISSING.

MAYBE THERE WAS JUST TEMPORARY, BUT WHETHER IT WAS THE, UM, THE VENTS IN THE EAVES, UM, THE HISTORIC KNEE BRACING ON THE, UH, UH, THE GABLES ON THE END, UM, EVEN SOME OF THE DETAILS AROUND THE WINDOWS AND, AND THE, THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, PERMANENT SHUTTERS, BUT THE SHUTTERS, UH, DO ADD TO THAT SPECIFIC HOUSE AND ALSO THE CONTACT OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THINK, UM, ESPECIALLY AS SOMEONE WHO'S LOOKING TO, UM, HAVE A QUICK TURNAROUND ON THIS, UM, THE MORE YOU CAN EMPHASIZE THOSE SPECIFIC DETAILS, UM, THE MORE IT WILL APPEAL, UH, TO POTENTIAL SELLERS.

AND YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN AIM FOR THE HIGHEST PRICE POINT POSSIBLE IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

UM, UM, CHAIR, JASON, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

I DO HAVE A COMMENT.

UM, SO TO THAT END, UM, HOWEVER THE VOTE ENDS TODAY, UM, AND AS YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY, I WOULD HIGHLY, UM, ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT, GO OUT AND REACH OUT TO THEM, UM, TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THESE HOUSES MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THESE HOUSES MEAN TO, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE AND WHAT THOSE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ARE, AND HOW THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THOSE COMMUNITIES.

SO I, I JUST WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AS YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY, UM, THAT YOU ALSO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL.