[3:00 PM – Call to Order]
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UM, TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4TH, 2026.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON HERE.
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, BUT WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
NOT HEARING OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS.
UH, COMMISSIONER GRU TSO HOLLAND.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS THE ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITION.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST TO BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITH WITHOUT OBTAINING ANY APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UH, WE WILL QUICKLY TRY TO TROUBLESHOOT THE AUDIO FOR OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS.
UM, MEGAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ATTEMPT ROLL CALL ONE MORE TIME.
WE CAN SEE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO TROUBLESHOOT.
I'M SURE YOU CAN HEAR US, BUT WE CANNOT HEAR YOU IN THE ROOM UNFORTUNATELY.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS.
SO WE WOULD FIRST LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEW HDRC COMMISSIONER APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT ALEXANDER TRAVIESO.
WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU JOIN US.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A FEW STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT MANY OF YOU MAY ALREADY BE AWARE OF.
SO OUR FORMER DIRECTOR, SHANNON MILLER, HAS TRANSITIONED INTO A NEW ROLE WITH THE CITY AS CHIEF DOWNTOWN OFFICER.
AND COREY EDWARDS IS NOW SERVING AS OUR INTERIM DIRECTOR OF OHP.
SO WE WANNA EXTEND A BIG CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH OF THEM ON THESE WELL-DESERVED OPPORTUNITIES AND WE ARE REALLY EXCITED FOR THEM.
SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE ARE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM FROM FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE HCRC MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.
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GUEVARA.VESO HOLLAND, IF YOU CAN GIVE US A THUMBS UP.
UNFORTUNATELY OUR AUDIO ISN'T WORKING YET.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
AND NOW IF WE'LL TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE SIX ITEMS ON CONSENT TODAY.
WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IN PERSON OR ANY VOICEMAILS FOR THESE ITEMS. THANK YOU.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER TWO.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 3, 4, 5, AND SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDING FURTHER DISCUSSION.
MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.
IF YOUR ADDRESS IS 3 0 7 DELAWARE, 9 8 0 0 AIRPORT, 4 23 BLUE STAR, 8 0 1 NORTH OLIVE STREET, OR 2 22.
MARY LOUISE, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING.
YOUR, UM, CASE MANAGER WILL EMAIL YOU YOUR, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITHIN THE NEXT 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
AND THEN COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US JUST A MOMENT, PLEASE.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, UH, TROUBLESHOOT, UM, OUR, UH, VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS.
UH, COMMISSIONER ZUKA, COULD YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF AND TRY TO, UM, SPEAK AGAIN, PLEASE? UM, LET'S SEE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE IF, IF WE CAN UNMUTE YOU, IF YOU'RE AT ALL ABLE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR SIDE.
UM, OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS ONLINE, UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE TRY UNMUTING YOURSELVES JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN HEAR YOU AS WELL.
YOU CAN HEAR ME? I'M HERE HOMER, HONOR.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
THANK YOU.OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I PULLED THIS CASE BECAUSE I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
UM, IN THE CASE, UH, CASE MATERIALS, UH, UNDER THE FI UH, FINDINGS, THERE IS A COMMENT ABOUT, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND A COMMENT ABOUT, UM, LET ME FIND IT.
THE GUIDELINES FOR EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND ALTERATIONS.
NOTE THAT SCREENS SHOULD BE SIMPLY, SHOULD BE SIMPLE IN DESIGN AS TO NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE AND FACADE.
SO CAN AND GENERALLY, STAFF FINDS THEIR PROPOSED GAIT TO BE APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT AS HOW THIS GATE THAT IS VERY ORNATE IN ITS OWN RIGHT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT AS APPLIED TO THE CHURCH PORCH, HOW DOES IT MEET THE GUIDELINES? YES, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
UM, SO FROM THE INITIAL HDRC HEARING ON JANUARY 21ST, 2026, STAFF DID RE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
AND SO DURING STAFF'S REVIEW, STAFF FOUND THAT THIS GATE, UM, DUE TO THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING, WOULD NOT OVERWHELM OR NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CHARACTER.
AND ALSO THAT THE GATE IS A REVERSIBLE CONDITION.
UM, SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, WE HAVE RECEIVED A LATE SUBMISSION OF AN UPDATE TO THE GATE DESIGN FOLLOWING THE FIRST HDRC HEARING AND THEN THE LATER DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.
SO ADRIAN WILL PULL THAT UP AS WELL FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW.
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JUST ONE SECOND.COMMISSIONERS, IT SEEMS THAT THIS FILE IS, IS NOT OPENING, BUT IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER.
ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO ACCESS IT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
OUR COMPUTER IS, UM, NOT COOPERATING OVER HERE.
UM, ASIDE FROM THAT THEN, UM, WITH THE DE THE DECOR INFILL OF THESE GATES, AND THIS IS IRON, RIGHT? THIS IS A WROUGHT IRON.
UM, HOW DOES ONE SEE BEYOND THAT, THAT MATERIAL AND THAT DESIGN TO SEE THE ORIGINAL DOORWAY AND THE STAINED GLASS AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF STUFF, THAT'S REALLY PRETTY ORNATE.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD OBSCURE QUITE A BIT.
UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT EVEN THOUGH THE GATE IS QUITE ORNATE, UM, THAT ONCE INSTALLED, IT LOOKS QUITE BUSY ON THE DRAWING, BUT THAT IT WOULDN'T BE AS BUSY ONCE INSTALLED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CASE? IF NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION? A QUESTION? SORRY.
UH, ON, ON THE LATE FILES, UH, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS.
THERE'S ONE THAT HAS SOME IRON WORK ON THE ARCH.
IS THERE A DESIGN OF CHOICE? UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM REGARDING THE TWO OPTIONS IN THE FILE THAT YOU HAD SENT? UH, THE CASE MANAGER, EDWARD? SURE.
UM, SO THE TWO OPTIONS ARE JUST SIR, I PRESS THE BUTTON, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
JUST PRESS THE BUTTON SO THE LIGHTS UP.
UM, MY NAME IS REVEREND BURKE.
UM, AND SO THE TWO PICTURES IN Y'ALL'S FILES IS, UM, JUST TWO OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR Y'ALL THAT, UH, ONE HAS THAT, THAT EXTRA ARCH ON TOP, UM, AND THEN ONE HAS IT WITHOUT IT.
AND SO ONE HAS, UH, THE ONE WITHOUT IT IS, IS A COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW OF THE, OF THE STONE WORK AND, AND MASONRY.
AND, UM, THE OTHER ONE HAS, IT, IT, IT KIND OF IS IN A, A BLANK SPACE IN OUR OPINION, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO PUT TWO OPTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL, Y'ALL REQUESTED SOME THINGS AND WE SAID, YEAH, UH, YEAH, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL TRY AND MEET Y'ALL HALFWAY.
AND, UM, SO YEAH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
AND I GUESS WE, WE KIND OF LEAN TOWARDS THE, THE ONE WITHOUT THE, UM, THE TOP, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY GOOD EITHER WAY.
UM, AND WE WANT TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
STEP THE, THE PEOPLE ONLINE COULDN'T SEE IT BEFORE.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR.
UM, QUESTION AGAIN ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE, THE GATE IN RELATION TO THE, UH, THE ARCHWAY AND THE BEVELED ENTRY.
UH, ADRIAN, COULD YOU PUT A MM-HMM
AND FOR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA ASK, UH, MR. KILLIS TO COME UP AND, UH, AND PATRICK, AND THEY CAN ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AS FAR AS PLACEMENT AND, AND, UH, THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THINGS.
IS THAT, OKAY? WELL, THIS IS MORE IN TERMS OF, UM, WHY YOU HAVE IT OUT AT THE FRONT OF THE STEP RATHER THAN AT THE BACK OF THE BEVELED SIDES OF THE ARCH.
UM, BECAUSE THE, THE, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PRIMARY, UH, INTENTIONS OF THIS IS TO, UM, IS TO EXTEND THE, UH, THE PERIMETER WE'VE HAD, UM, THE HOMELESS WILL DEFECATE, URINATE, UM, THEY WILL, UH, DESTROY THINGS ON THE CHURCH.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BOTTOM OF THE CHURCH HAS BEEN, UH, THE BOTTOM OF THE, UH, DOORS HAS BEEN, UH, TOTALLY DESTROYED.
UM, BECAUSE THEY, EVERY NIGHT THEY, THEY URINATE ON THE, ON THE DOORS THEMSELVES.
AND SO IF THE GATES ARE HALFWAY IN, IT PROTECTS THE DOORS, BUT THEY'RE STILL GONNA CONGREGATE IN THAT SPACE AND, AND SLEEP THERE.
AND SO THE INTENTION IS TO COME OUT TO EXTEND THAT, THAT PERIMETER, BUT ALSO NOT GET IN THE WAY OF THE, UH, THE HANDRAILS THAT ARE ON THE, UH, UM, ON THE SIDES THERE.
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WELL, IT JUST SEEMS THAT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIMENSIONS FROM THE DOOR TO THE INSIDE OF THE BEVEL.AND THEN FROM THE, THAT INSIDE OF THE BEVEL TO THE STEP, UH, IT LOOKS, UH, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX FEET, UH, FROM THE DOORS TO THE INSIDE BEVEL.
UH, AND WHETHER THE, THE GATES ARE AT THE FRONT OF THE STEP OR AT THE BACK OF THE BEVEL, YOU STILL HAVE THE PORCH WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIABLE TO CONGREGATE.
ALSO, I ADDRESS THAT, UH, IF THEY, I MEAN, IS THAT OKAY IF HE ANSWERS SOMETHING? SURE.
I'M AN ARCHITECT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING IS BUILT, THERE'S ACTUALLY A CONCRETE FRAME AND WHERE YOU SEE THAT STEP RIGHT THERE, THAT IS THE FRONT STRUCTURAL ELEMENT OF THE FACADE.
AND RIGHT AT THAT INSET THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE BEVEL, THERE IS A CONCRETE COLUMN BEHIND THAT THAT HELPS, UH, IT SUPPORTS THAT THE BIG ARCH FOR THE WINDOWS, AND THAT ALLOWS YOU TO ANCHOR IT TO THE CONCRETE.
AND IT, IT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO PUT IT, PUT IT BEST FOR THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENT.
UH, AND IT CAN GO, UM, THE BOLTS CAN GO INTO THE MORTAR JOINT AND GO BACK INTO THE, THE, THE TWO COLUMNS THAT SUPPORT THAT.
AND THERE'LL BE A GOOD ANCHORING, UH, THERE, THAT IS A SLAB BACK IN THERE.
BUT THE DOORS, WHEN THEY OPEN, UH, THEY'RE JUST RIGHT, UH, AT THE BEVEL, THEY'RE JUST ALMOST A 18 INCHES MAYBE, UH, BETWEEN THE BEVEL AND THE FACE OF THE DOOR.
SO, UH, IT IS BETTER STRUCTURALLY TO PUT IT WHERE IT'S SHOWN RIGHT THERE WITH A LITTLE INSET, UH, UP ON THAT STEP.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, AND FOR CONTEXT PURPOSES, I'D LIKE TO, UM, SHARE FOR THE COMMISSION THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THE PASTOR SPOKE OF BECAUSE I, I SAID I RUN BY THIS CHURCH THREE TIMES A WEEK AND I SEE THE HOMELESS INSIDE THAT AREA, SO I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANNA PLACE IT WHERE IT IS.
SO, UM, IT, IT DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE, UM, BECAUSE I, I SEE I'M CONGREGATING IT IN A SPOT THERE AS WELL AS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN OTHER STEPS AS WELL.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAD A, I HAD A QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, IF I COULD, IF I COULD SEE, ONLY 'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE IT HERE, THE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU PUT THEM BACK UP, ADRIAN? THANK YOU.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE UP ON THE SCREEN.
SHIRLEY, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, WE ARE JUST TROUBLESHOOTING THE FILE AT THE MOMENT, SO WE'LL HAVE IT UP SHORTLY.
YEAH, TRY TO OPEN, OPEN WITH, BUT IT'S NOT THERE.
SOMETHING, YEAH, I HAD TRIED THAT, YOU SEE, AND IT SAYS THAT.
OKAY, I'LL JUST, YEAH, COMMISSIONERS, I'M SORRY.
UM, I'LL JUST HAVE TO DRAG IT THIS WAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE FILES WON'T OPEN.
WE'VE TRIED TO, UM, SWITCH 'EM EVEN TO PDF AND WE'RE STILL HAVING ISSUES, SO, UM, IT'S NOT GREAT, BUT YEAH, IT'S VERY SMALL, BUT HERE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT, AND AS A DESCRIPTOR, THE UPDATED DRAWINGS REMOVE THE GRAPEVINES FROM THE TOP ARCH, AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION ALSO REMOVES THE VERY TOP PORTION SO THAT THE GATE IS ONLY IN SET WITHIN THE ARCH OPENING.
I, YEAH, I WISH I COULD SEE IT.
UM, YEAH, THIS COMPUTER'S, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, I WOULDN'T HAVE MOTION, MR. I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET IT TO.
I, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE MORE SIMPLE OF THE TWO SECOND.
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IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.SECOND, IS IT FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, I KEEP SAYING THAT MR. CHAIR ARE MA'AM, UM, I DISCUSSION JUST REAL QUICK.
I, I WAS THERE AT THE, AT THE DRC AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S TRYING TO DO WITH RESPECT TO KEEPING, UM, VAGRANTS OFF OF THE STEPS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WISH THAT THERE WERE A BETTER WHY, UH, AND, AND I, I WISH THAT, UM, I, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR IT TO BE INSET.
UM, BUT I, AGAIN, I, I SORT OF GET IT AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME, WE'RE GONNA GO IN THE DIRECTION OF MODERN SOLUTIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD JUST SUPPORT SIMPLIFYING, UM, TO LET THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING SHINE.
UM, MY CONCERNS WITH THIS ONE, AND THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO PULL IT IS BECAUSE I, EVEN WITH THE, UH, UM, UPDATED DOOR SIMPLIFIED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE GRAPES AT THE TOP, I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE GATE ASSEMBLY.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, NEGOTIATING THAT STRIP UP THERE AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE DRC THAT WE HAD TO SEE THE, TO SEE THAT FRONT PORCH AREA TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE WORKING WITH IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE IN THAT BUILDING, GOING INSIDE AND SEEING THAT BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL CHURCH.
MY CONCERNS ARE IS THAT THE VERY DECORATIVE ORNATE STEEL, AGAIN, SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, IT HAS, IT HAS ITS BEAUTY AND ITS AESTHETIC DESIRABILITY, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENTRYWAY BEYOND THE MAIN DOORS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE ORNATE.
BEAUTIFUL, RIGHT? THERE'S GOTHIC MOTIF THAT GOES WITH THE GOTHIC REVIVAL CHURCH AND THE DESIGN.
YOUR LEADED GLASS IS VERY INDICATIVE OF THE TIME.
IT'S VERY ARTS AND CRAFTS AMERICAN CRAFT.
IT'S, UM, IT'S SOMETHING TO BE VIEWED EVEN FROM A DISTANCE.
AND THEN YOUR FRONT IS PEACE OVER HERE.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE? YOU HAVE THE EAGLE OF ST.
THAT'S THE CHURCH'S NAMESAKE IS ST.
AND SO TO OBSCURE THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, THE GATE AND ALL OF THE DECOR AS BEAUTIFUL AS IT IS ON ITS OWN, JUST SEEMS TO BE TAKING AWAY SO MUCH FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, THE AMERICAN CRAFT.
SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, I THINK HAVING A PLAN, A, A BUILDING PLAN AND A PORCH PLAN STEP OUT PLAN, ENTRY PLAN TO SHOW EXACTLY WHERE THE INSET OR WHERE THAT GATE IS LOCATED, WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL IN THE PACKAGE ALSO TO ADDRESS YOUR SECURITY CONCERNS.
I, I THINK THERE, I AGREE THERE ARE SECURITY CONCERNS, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THIS IS HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2025 DASH 3 51.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT 34 28 ROOSEVELT.
WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, UH, TO INSTALL INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET SIGNS TO READ THE ALL NEW MUSTANG SALLY'S, POWERED BY LOPEZ ENTERTAINMENT TO BE LOCATED ON THE FRONT FACADE.
THE TOTAL SIZE OF THE SIGN WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 123 SQUARE FEET.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F SIGNAGE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE AND THE MISSION.
HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL A SIGN THAT FEATURES NO MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET, FEATURES INDIRECT OR HALO ILLUMINATION, AND FEATURE METAL SIGN FACES AS TO NOT RESULT IN SIGNAGE THAT FEATURES FACE LIT OR INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGNAGE ELEMENTS.
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GEORGE RODRIGUEZ, UH, SHOULD BE HERE ONLINE.UH, GEORGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
WE'RE VERSION, OH,
SO GEORGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, 15 MINUTES, AS I MENTIONED.
AND THEN YOU'LL JUST, IF YOU JUST SAY YOUR NAME FIRST.
UM, SO, UH, FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS ADDRESS, WE'RE PROPOSING A SIGN.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA OR IF Y'ALL HAVE PICTURES OF THE AREA, BUT, UM, CAN I HAVE SOMEBODY COME UP WITH ME? IS THAT FINE? THE OWNER, THE, CAN I HAVE THE OWNER COME UP WITH ME, OR, YES, HE KNOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE AREA THAN I DO.
UM, BUT I, FROM WHAT I KNOW, AND WE'VE DONE RESEARCH, YOU CAN LOOK UP ON THE NEWS.
UM, THERE'S SIGNS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE FRONT ILLUMINATED SIGNS.
I, WE CAN, UH, MAKE, UH, REVERSE ILLUMINATED SIGN, WHICH THOSE SIGNS ARE T TYPICALLY FOR LIKE STONE, OAK AREA, UM, LIKE REAL DIM AREAS WHERE THE SIGN JUST HAS A VERY LIGHT HALO.
UM, THERE'S ALREADY SEVERAL PLACES HERE LIKE PIZZA HUT AND, UM, THERE IS A WING DADDY'S ON THE CORNER.
THERE WAS A MEXICAN RESTAURANT RIGHT NEXT DOOR THAT WAS CALLED, UM, VITALIS, UM, VITALIS, THAT HAD A FRONT LIT SIGN.
UM, AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING A FRONT LIT SIGN JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT, WE NEED A LIGHT FOR, FOR SAFETY.
UM, THIS BUILDING HAD ALWAYS BEEN, UM, WRITTEN ON, SO IF YOU GO BACK ON GOOGLE EARTH AND YOU GO BACK TO PICTURES, IT WAS ALWAYS TAGGED.
UM, COPS ARE ALWAYS GETTING CALLED.
AND SO WE'RE WITHIN THE CITY GUIDELINES, BUT WE'RE NOT WITHIN THE HISTORICAL GUIDELINES.
BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF Y'ALL CAN MAKE A CONSIDERATION JUST BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ON THE, IN THE AREA AND OF THE HISTORY WITH THE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE BLOCK.
UM, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.
I'M THE OWNER TO ANG SALLY SPORTS LOUNGE.
UH, MR. UM, GEORGIAN AND THE GENTLEMAN HERE ARE THE CONTRACTORS FOR THE SIGN.
UM, AND JUST TO, UH, SUPPORT WHAT HE WAS SAYING, UM, I WAS A NEIGHBOR, UH, TO THAT MEXICO RESTAURANT.
PRIOR TO THAT I HAD A BURGER PLACE THERE.
UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY I HAD TO CLOSE IT BECAUSE I WAS A WITNESS TO ALL THE CRIME AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS OCCURRING IN THIS, UH, IN THIS CORNER SPOT HERE.
UM, I WAS GETTING DAILY BREAK-INS,
AND WHEN I WAS, UM, OFFERED THIS OPPORTUNITY BY THE OWNER HIMSELF, UH, BECAUSE HE JUST COULD NOT, UM, HANDLE ALL THE CRIME, UM, THE UNPAID RENT, THE TENANTS, THE, THE, THE PROCESSS WITH THE DRUG ADDICTS, THE, THE EVERYTHING THEFT BURGLARIES THAT WAS GOING ON, UM, I TOOK THAT CHALLENGE ON AT THE END OF, UH, 24.
AND I NOT JUST WENT IN AS A LEASE OR AN OCCUPANT.
I ACTUALLY WENT IN TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO I AM AN OWNER OCCUPANT IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND HERE BEFORE ME, I WENT AND PULLED A SURVEY JUST ON THE ADDRESS THERE ALONE FOR THE THREE YEARS PRIOR THAT I HAD IT, UM, VERY DARK ILLUMINATED, UM, IN PLACE OF THAT BIG SIGN, THERE WAS A FOUR BY EIGHT SIGN, VERY DARK.
IT WAS RIDDLED WITH BULLET BULLET HOLES, UM, RIGHT IN THE FRONT.
AND I HAVE HERE SEVEN PAGES OF, OF JUST HIGHLIGHT, UM, BURGLARY THEFT, UH, SHOTS IN PROGRESS, BURGLARY IN PROGRESS.
I MEAN, ALL THE CRIME, NOT, NOT TO INCLUDE A LOT OF, UH, ACCIDENTS, UM, CAR ACCIDENTS, TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
UM, WHEN I TOOK THAT CHALLENGE, I KNEW THAT MUSTANGS ALLEYS HAD BEEN THERE FOR 25 YEARS IN THAT COMMUNITY.
IN THE SOUTH SIDE COMMUNITY, WE ARE A GROWING COMMUNITY, UH, WITH THE WHOLE BROOKS RENOVATION, UH, WITH PLEASANTON ROAD.
UM, WE ARE ALSO, I AM ALSO A PARTNER AT THE BUSINESS ON SOUTHEAST MILITARY AND ROOSEVELT IN THAT CORNER AT THE PICA PICA PLAZA.
AND, UH, SO WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING TO, TO WIN OUR COMMUNITY BACK AND, AND RESTORE THIS, UH, PLACES LIKE THIS TO GET, UH, TO WIN IT BACK, TO WIN IT BACK.
AND, AND, AND OF COURSE, THE HOMELESSNESS, THE DRUG IS, WE'RE PROBABLY NEVER GONNA BEAT THAT, BUT AS FAR AS US PART OF THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE GONNA TRY OUR BEST TO KEEP FIGHTING THAT.
AND SINCE I GOT IT, MY OBJECTIVE WAS TO, OBVIOUSLY IN 24, THE FIRST THREE MONTHS WHEN I GOT IT, UH, I WAS VERY REGRETFUL, ALMOST, ALMOST TO THE POINT OF JUST WILLING TO LOSE EVERYTHING THAT I HAD INVESTED JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONSISTENT CRIME.
AND, AND, AND MY GATE WAS CUT EVERY NIGHT.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE METER, THE ACTUAL CPS METER STOLEN COPPER FROM THE MAIN BOX.
SO WHAT I DID WAS I HAD A MEETING WITH CPS AND THERE WERE SEVEN ELECTRIC POLES THAT, THAT SURROUND THAT WHOLE CORNER.
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AND, UM, I PURCHASED THAT, OH, I MADE A CONTRACT WITH THEM TO PAY MONTHLY FOR THE HIGHEST ILLUMINATION THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE FOR ME, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WITHIN THEIR GUIDELINE.AND, UH, WE ELIMINATED THAT WHOLE CORNER THERE.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF THE SAYING, IT SAYS, YOU TURN ON THE LIGHTS AND THE KIND OF THE ROACHES RUN AWAY.
WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
I'VE BEEN FIGHTING AND FIGHTING.
AND THIS PAST YEAR WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, OVERCAME ALL THAT, THAT DRUNKNESS, ALL THAT, THAT HOMELESSNESS, THE, THE, THE, THE PROSTITUTES THAT WOULD HANG IN THAT CORNER.
UM, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY BAD.
UM, AND THESE SEVEN PAGES THAT I HAD PRIOR TO ME, THE LAST, UH, THE LAST FEW OF THEM HERE IS SINCE I'VE TAKEN IT OVER.
AND THIS HAS ONLY BEEN A VERY, I THINK IT WAS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY MINOR INCIDENT THAT THAT POLICE WERE CALLED, BUT HARDLY NO MORE CRIME.
UM, IT, IT'S DOWNSCALE TREMENDOUSLY.
UM, THIS LAST YEAR WE HAVE, UM, UH, UP, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, UH, BEEF UP SECURITY AND THE LIGHTING.
AND THIS LAST YEAR, I THINK THAT WHAT WAS MISSING THERE WAS A NICE FRONT LIT SIGN TO HELP.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE MINIMAL PARKING LOT.
I LEASED THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, I'VE LEASED IT SINCE I ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY FOR PARKING FOR OUR PATRONS.
AND ROOSEVELT IS A VERY BUSY STREET, SO THAT ALSO HELPS US CROSS THE STREET HERE.
UM, ON THIS OTHER, ON MY LEFT HAND HERE, I HAVE A REPORT OF ANOTHER SIMILAR COMMUNITY BAR IN THE AREA THAT, UNFORTUNATELY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, THEY HAVE HAD THREE PEDESTRIANS KILLED CROSSING THE STREET TO GET TO THAT BAR.
UM, I THANK GOD THAT UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE NOT HAD THAT, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT LID, UM, UH, LIGHTING, I'M SORRY, WE HAVE GREAT LIGHTING ACROSS, WE DO PROVIDE SECURITY.
WE HAVE ARMED SECURITY, OFF-DUTY SECURITY THAT WE TRY TO HELP OUT WITH THE TRAFFIC ACROSS THE STREET.
AND, UH, WE HAVE DEFINITELY, UH, INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND, AND, UH, MONEY AND LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK THAT THIS LAST YEAR, I THINK THAT WAS A SIGN THAT REALLY HELPED US.
IT, IT, IT, IT DEFINES THAT NIGHT.
UM, AND OF COURSE, IT, IT HAS MINIMIZED CRIME.
UM, BUT WE HAVE, UH, NOT TO, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE OFF OF THIS, BUT, UM, THIS PAST YEAR THAT WE'VE CLEANED UP THE, THE WHOLE AREA.
AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE WON THAT COMMUNITY BARBACK FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO BEEN RECOGNIZED AS, UH, THE BEST, UH, OF 2025 SOUTH CENTRAL AWARD WINNER FOR COCKTAIL BAR, UM, UNDER BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU AND GOOGLE RATING THIS PAST YEAR.
SO BECAUSE WE HAVE DEFINITELY PUT EVERYTHING INTO THAT COMMUNITY BAR, AND THE COMMUNITY HAS ONCE AGAIN CAME OUT AND SUPPORTED US.
SO BECAUSE OF BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU AND GOOGLE REVIEW, WE HAVE WON THIS, THIS, THIS AWARD HERE IN 2025.
SO AGAIN, I HIRED A CONTRACTOR, UM, I HIRED THEM.
I TOLD 'EM TO MAKE ME SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL, SOMETHING THAT, THAT OF COURSE, UM, I, I DID, I ALLOWED THEM TO DO THE DESIGN, UH, AT THEIR, AT THEIR LEISURE.
AND, UH, I WAS VERY SATISFIED WITH IT.
AND I, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY LOVED IT.
AND, AND PEOPLE WERE POSTING SIGNS ON IT, ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT, UM, HE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT, THAT YOU ARE REQUIRING, OR YOU ARE ASKING, RECOMMENDING THAT WE GET A SMALLER SIGN AND NOT SO LIT IN THE BACK, AGAIN, IN COMPARISON TO BUSINESSES IN STONE OAK.
BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THE STONE OAK BUSINESSES HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE 10 PAGES OF CRIME THAT, THAT WE DO, THAT WE FIGHT ON A DAILY BASIS.
THEY'RE JUST TO TRY TO SURVIVE AND, AND MAKE ENDS MEET.
SO AGAIN, I HOPE THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER, UH, OUR, OUR LIT SIGN.
WE WE'RE ALSO, UM, PROPOSING THAT WE TAKE OFF THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM TO MEET THE SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENTS, UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW JUST FOR THE CRIME, THE LIGHTING.
SO, UM, I DO HAVE A DESIGN OF IT WITH, UH, WITH Y'ALL REQUIREMENTS.
WE, WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH CITIZEN ANTONIO DAY, ALLOWED THE REQUIREMENTS.
WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS A HISTORICAL DEPARTMENT AT THE TIME.
AND SO WHEN WE GOT THAT BACK, WE WERE ALREADY, WE ALREADY HAD THE SIGN, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE DOWN PROBABLY LIKE 50% OF THE SIGN TO MEET, TO MEET Y'ALL REQUIREMENTS.
IT JUST WOULDN'T BE THE BACK LIT.
BUT THERE IS OTHER SIGNS IN THE AREA THAT ARE BACK LIT, THAT ARE FRONT LIT.
I ACTUALLY COULD NOT FIND ONE BACK LIT SIGN IN THAT WHOLE AREA AT ALL.
I FOUND NEON SIGNS FOR THE THEATER.
UM, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE FROM THE PIZZA HUT TO THE MEXICAN RESTAURANTS, EVERYBODY HAS A FRONT LIT SIGN.
COMMISSIONER VOICEMAILS? NO, NO VOICEMAILS TODAY.
UM, I WOULD, UM, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO OUR QUESTION PORTION.
SO I'D LIKE THE OWNER AND THE, UM, OTHER GENTLEMEN BOTH TO COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
SO, UM, MY FIRST QUESTION, UM, FOCUSES ON THE, THE CASE ITSELF.
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SO THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE.SO YOU INSTALL A SIGN WITHOUT APPROVAL.
UM, I, I HAD A SIR, I'M TALKING PLEASE.
PLEASE LISTEN TO MY QUESTION, THEN YOU CAN ANSWER APPROPRIATELY.
SO LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A VIOLATION CASE.
YOU PUT THE SIGN UP WITHOUT APPROVAL.
UM, NOW THROUGH YOUR ADMISSION, THE, UM, SIGN DOESN'T MEET THE UDC GUIDELINES.
OKAY? YOU, UM, PRESENTED SEVERAL, UM, CRIME, UH, STATISTICS ABOUT WHY, UM, BEFORE YOU PUT THE SIGN UP, YOU KNOW, WHAT THINGS WERE LIKE AND NOW WHAT THEY'RE LIKE NOW.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, ONE, YOU MENTIONED THAT Y'ALL DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT PART.
I SUBMITTED A PERMIT TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND I DID GET A, A PASS.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T GET A, SO IT BASICALLY, WHEN THEY SEE IT, THEY, THEY APPROVED ALL MY, ALL MY RENDERINGS, BUT YAS IS A SEPARATE EMAIL, AND I DIDN'T SEE THE EMAIL.
I DIDN'T GET IT FOR PROBABLY LIKE TWO WEEKS LATER.
WE HAD A TIMELINE ON THE PROJECT TO GET IT DONE.
UM, THEY WERE HAVING AN EVENT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS PASSED BY THE CITY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS, IT WAS A HISTORICAL, BY THE TIME I SAW THE HISTORICAL, SINCE I DON'T DO THE PERMITTING, I HAVE IT GO, WE HAVE A PERMIT PERSON THAT SUBMITS IT.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE THE HISTORICAL PART OF IT.
I DO HAVE A PASS FROM CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT THAT IS PENDING Y'ALL APPROVAL.
WELL, IT DOESN'T SAY PENDING YOUR APPROVAL, BUT IT ALWAYS IS PENDING YOUR APPROVAL.
AND LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS HISTORICAL.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT, IT GOT OVERSEEN BY, BY US, UM, FOR THE OWNER.
DID YOU NOT KNOW IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC AREA? NO, WE DID NOT.
I DID NOT KNOW, KNOW, IT WAS, I, I, I ASKED THE OWNER, SIR.
SO, SO AGAIN, UM, WHEN I PURCHASED A PROPERTY, UM, THERE IS A PROPERTY BEYOND OUR BACK, UH, IN THE BACK PART OF IT THAT WAS MENTIONED TO BE HISTORIC.
BUT, UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT MENTIONED TO BE IN THAT HISTORIC, UH, ASSOCIATION OR, UH, I THINK MISSION SAN JOSE.
SO WHEN I HIRED THE CONTRACTOR, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY, UM, I HIRED THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE I'VE SEEN HIS WORK AND HE'S DONE OTHER WORK AT OTHER LOCATIONS.
I COULD NOT HAVE TOLD HIM, PUT UP A SIGN AND GO AHEAD AND PUT IT WITHOUT PERMITS.
YOU KNOW, I, AT THIS POINT, I, UM, I HIRED HIM AS A CONTRACTOR AND, UM, I TRUSTED THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN, OF COURSE, IN, IN, IN COOPERATION OR, OR, UM, ALIGNED WITH THE CITY, UH, PERMITS BECAUSE I WOULD NOT BE SO PROUDFUL TO PUT UP A SIGN THAT'S ILLEGAL.
YOU KNOW? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT WAS THEIR PART.
UM, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO YIELD TO MY, UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
UM, SO I'LL START WITH MY, UM, VIRTUAL APPLICANTS, UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MOOKA, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? Y YES, I, I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW AS TO WHETHER THERE'S ANY OTHER LIGHTING OF THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN THE SIGN, ILLUMINATION, OTHER LIGHTING ON THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF, SIR OR SURROUNDING? UM, THERE IS DIRECTLY, DIRECTLY ON THE PROPERTY, THERE IS SEVEN CPS POLES, UM, THAT WE HAVE, THAT I HAVE PAID FOR.
I PAY ON A MONTHLY BASIS, UH, TO HAVE, UH, 25, UH, THOUSAND, UH, LUMENS ON EACH POLE.
I HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM THAT I PAY MONTHLY.
AND THOSE, THOSE ARE LIKE STREET LIGHTS? YES, SIR.
ARE, ARE THERE ANY LIGHTINGS, IS THERE ANY LIGHTING UNDER THE AWNING OF THE BUILDING? NO, SIR.
THERE'S, UM, UH, RECESS CANS THAT ARE UNDER THE, UH, WALKWAY THERE UNDER THAT BLACK PART OF IT.
OH, THE AWNING MAY, I'M, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE PORCH, THE AWNING.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, REESES UNDER THERE.
IS THIS NOT SUFFICIENT TO ILLUMINATION TO, UH,
SO C PS LOW LIFES, SO THE CP, THE C PS, THE CPS LIGHTS, THE WAY THEY'RE DESIGNED IS THEY SHOOT LIGHTS STRAIGHT DOWN, UM, SIGNS WHEN THEY'RE ILLUMINATED, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT FROM THE FRONT.
SO WHEN YOU TURN THE SIGN OFF, IT ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T ILLUMINATE THE BUILDING ITSELF.
SO YOU CAN JUST SEE THE LIGHT ON THE FLOOR, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE PAST THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING COMPLETELY TURNS BLACK.
I WISH I HAD A LIGHTED PICTURE TO SHOW YOU, BUT, YEAH.
WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT MIGHT CHANGE THAT IS IF YOU HAD SPOTLIGHTS FROM THE AWNING DIRECTLY ONTO THAT SIGN WITHOUT INTERIOR ILLUMINATION, JUST A THOUGHT.
LIKE ON TOP OF THAT LITTLE ROOF, LIKE DIRECTLY TO THE SIGN ITSELF? YES.
FROM BOTH SIDES AND THE MIDDLE.
AND IT WOULD SHOW UP DIRECTLY THE WHITE YEAH.
LIKE, UM, OR YOU WERE SHOWING THAT
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LITTLE AWNING THERE, THAT'S, THAT, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT ON THE PICTURE, BUT THERE'S ABOUT A, A, LIKE A FOUR, FIVE FOOT, UH, LITTLE ROOF RIGHT THERE.AND THERE'S LIGHTING UNDERNEATH FOR THE WALKWAY, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, NOT DIRECTLY TO THE SIGN.
YEAH, I, I WAS THINKING OF FOCUSED SPOTLIGHTS DIRECTLY ON THE SIGN FROM THAT.
LIKE FLOOD LIGHTING A LIGHT FROM ABOVE THE SAME TYPE OF ILLUMINATION, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT PROBABLY COULD BE, IS AN OPTION.
UM, IT WOULDN'T GIVE THE SAME TYPE OF ILLUMINATION, BUT IT WOULD LIGHT UP.
IT'D BE KIND OF LIKE THE BILL MILLERS NOT THE NEWER BILL MILLERS, BUT THE OLDER BILL MILLERS, THEY HAVE 'EM A SIGN ON THE WALL AND THEN THE LIGHT SHINES TO 'EM, WHICH ARE NOT ILLUMINATED, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T GIVE OFF LIKE THIS, LIKE ENOUGH LIGHTING OR THE SAME AMOUNT OF LIGHT.
WELL, PERHAPS YOUR LIGHTING, YOUR SIGN MAKER COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO ILLUMINATE IT THAT WAY, THAT THAT'S ALL.
UM, COMMISSIONER GIVARE, UH, NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SSO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
UM, YEAH, SO YOUR PROPOSED WHAT FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR YOUR PROPOSED SIGNAGE, IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE THE TOP BAND AND THE BELOW POWERED BY LOPEZ ENTERTAINMENT, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A SIGN THAT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE COMING UP WITH? FROM OUR CALCULATIONS? IT WAS, UH, IT WAS LESS THAN THAT.
94 AND SOME CHANGE AND THE REASON, RIGHT.
SO JUST SO I'M IN THE RIGHT HALL PART APPROXIMATELY, RIGHT? YEAH, A LITTLE UNDER IT IS.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY, AND, AND, AND LET ME COME BACK TO, UM, UH, THE NAME ITSELF.
UM, OF COURSE I WOULD'VE GOTTEN A, A NEW NAME RIGHT? FOR, FOR THE PLACE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT HAS BEEN A COMMUNITY BAR THERE FOR OVER 26 YEARS NOW.
AND, UM, SO I WANTED TO PUT EMPHASIS THAT IT'S THE ALL NEW, LIKE IT'S BEEN HERE, WE'RE STILL COMMUNITY, WE'RE STILL SIDE SOUTH SIDE, BUT, BUT IT'S THE ALL NEW, YOU KNOW, COME IN AND TRY US.
LIKE DON'T, DON'T, DON'T BE AFRAID.
AND THAT'S WHY I PUT EMPHASIS ON THAT.
THE ALL NEW, UM, THE LOPEZ ENTERTAINMENT IS MY COMPANY THAT, AGAIN, I OWN SEVERAL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST A BRAND THAT WE HAVE THAT THEY, THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT PART OF IT IS, IS KIND OF, UH, UM, MORE, UH, TO, TO, TO DESCRIBE THE, THE, THE MEANING OF STILL MUSTANG, BUT IT'S THE ON YOU.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, AND PARDON MY, UH, IGNORANCE ON THIS.
UM, SO THE, THE SIGNAGE, UH, MEASUREMENT, OR, YOU KNOW, THE RESTRICTIONS IS BECAUSE THE SIGN IS ON THE BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE I PULLED UP GOOGLE MAPS AND LOOKED AROUND THE NEIGHBOR, OH, LOOKED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, AND THERE'S SEVERAL LARGE, LIKE SIGNS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ILLUMINATED, BUT THEY'RE ON LIKE PILLARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? SURE.
OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU SEE LARGER SIGNS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, THEY WERE PREEXISTING SIGNS THAT WERE JUST REFACED.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES TO REALLY KNOW THE HISTORY OF THAT SIGN INSTALLATION.
UH, BUT FOR ANY PROPERTY THAT IS, UM, SUBJECT TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, SIGNAGE SHOULD NOT EXCEED 50 SQUARE FEET.
AND I, UM, JUST, JUST TO, UM, UH, SUPPORT THAT, UM, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM US, UH, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, UH, SCOS.
UM, ONE OF 'EM, UH, RECENTLY, UH, UH, HAD A FIRE AND HE PUT A NEW SIGN, AND IT'S, IT'S WAY BIGGER THAN MINE.
AND RIGHT IN FRONT OF PIKA, THERE'S ANOTHER
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT IS LIKE THREE TIMES BIGGER THAN MINE.
AND THERE'S ONE ON THE BUILDING, ONE ON THE, ON THE ACTUAL POLE, AND THEN ONE ON THE SIDE SHOWING THE DRIVE THROUGH TOO.
UM, THERE'S ALSO RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, WHICH IS ALSO IN THE HISTORIC, UH, THERE'S THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH, UM, IT'S CALLED THE DRIVE THROUGH LIQUOR, UH, MARGARITA BARN, WHAT IS IT CALLED? THE BEER.
AND, UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A BRAND NEW, UH, FRONT LIT HUGE SIGN THAT, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN PASSED THROUGH A HISTORICAL COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY.
UM, I SEE SOME OTHER SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING.
UH, THERE'S SOME IN THE WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DOOR.
THAT, UM, THAT ACTUALLY IS JUST, UH, UM, IT'S LIKE A VINYL, IT, THERE'S GLASS THERE MM-HMM
SO THE TEMPTATION OF THEM BREAKING THE GLASS, ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM HAD A SMALL BULLET HOLE PRIOR TO IT, SO WE REPLACED IT.
WE COVERED IT, BUT THAT'S JUST A VINYL STICKER ON THERE.
UM, THERE'S ONE ON THE SIDE, UH, THERE'S A BOX THAT'S NOT LIT UP.
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THERE.UM, THAT ONE HAD AN OLD BANNER THERE.
UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL THAT WAS THERE, AND I JUST NEVER TOUCHED THAT ONE.
THAT ONE'S STILL BEEN THERE, BUT THAT ONE'S NOT ILLUMINATED.
UM, YEAH, I'M TORN ON THIS ONE, KNOWING THAT, UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE IMPROVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UM, UH, CRIME ISSUES, BUT HAVING THE ADDITIONAL ILLUMINATION FROM CPS ON THE POLE LIGHTS, UM, OBVIOUSLY HAS HELPED YOUR, YOUR SITUATION AND HAVING LIGHTS, UH, UNDER THE, THE LITTLE AWNING, UH, PERHAPS THAT COULD BE ENHANCED SO THAT THE LOWER PART OF THE WALL IS BRIGHTER.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER MAKI'S, UM, SUGGESTION OF LIGHTING THE SIGN FROM THE CANOPY RATHER THAN INTERNALLY LIT HAS SOME, UH, ADVANTAGES TO, UM MM-HMM
UH, BEING MORE IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINES.
AND, AND ALSO JUST TO MAKE A NOTE, UM, DIRECTLY, UH, THE CPS LIGHTS THAT ARE ON THERE, AGAIN, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, IT IS, UH, ALMOST DIRECT TO THE BOTTOM.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS MORE TO LIGHT IT UP, BUT MORE FOR THE PARKING AREA, WHAT VERY MINIMAL PARKING THAT WE HAVE THERE, THAT FRONT SIGN, SINCE IT'S BEEN ILLUMINATED, IT, IT KIND OF LIGHTS UP FRONT AND THE PATRONS PARKED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, SO THEY WALKED THAT.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF HELP, UM, JUST FOR THAT AREA.
AND AGAIN, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE SIGN THAT WAS UP ON TOP ORIGINALLY.
UM, I HAD TO ACTUALLY PUT A BANNER OVER IT, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT WAS, IT HAD BULLET HOLES, AND IT JUST, HOW WAS I GONNA MAKE A STATEMENT TO MAKE A NEW MUSTANG? SALLYS, WHEN YOU WALK IN AND DIRECTLY THERE'S SOME BULLET HOLES, THEY'RE LIKE, UH, LET ME MAKE A U-TURN AND I'M GONNA LEAVE.
RIGHT? AND SO I KIND OF WANTED TO CHANGE THE WHOLE APPEARANCE OF IT AND MAKE THEM FEEL SAFE.
BUT THAT WAS THE, THE, THE WHOLE PROJECT WITH THE, THE NEW SIGN.
BUT IT IS ELIMINATED FRONT, SO IT DOES HELP THE PATRONS WHERE THEY PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
AGAIN, BEING JUST, JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF MY CUSTOMERS, UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A STATISTIC LIKE THIS OTHER BAR AND COME ON THE NEWS THAT I, I SHOULD HAVE, COULD HAVE.
AND I WISH THAT I WOULD'VE SAVED SOMEBODY'S LIFE.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT HAD A FATALITY OR NOT HAVE AN ACCIDENT.
UM, BUT, BUT IT'S PROVEN, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER WHERE, WHERE THEY HAVE HAD, UH, SEVERAL FATALITIES DOING THE SAME SI SIMILAR SITUATION AS MINE.
UH, THE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT'S ON THE WINDOWS, IS THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN, IN TERMS OF TOTAL SIGNAGE FOR THE BUILDING? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AS PART OF THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION REQUEST, BUT GENERALLY, YES.
SO ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE WOULD BE INCLUDED.
UM, THAT OFTENTIMES INCLUDES WINDOW SIGNAGE, BUT STAFF CAN REVIEW THAT SEPARATELY.
UM, THE, THE PARKING LOT LIGHTS FROM THE CITY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, AND THERE'S, UH, BEEN A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN THE, IN THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY SINCE THE SIGN GOT PUT UP.
'CAUSE THOSE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE WHEN HE FIRST GOT THE BAR.
AND WE INSTALLED THE SIGN ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO, FIVE MONTHS AGO.
AND THERE'S BEEN A BIG IMPROVEMENT IN, IN THE AMOUNT OF, UH, STUFF GOING ON AT THE BAR BREAK-INS IN THE CARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I, AND I, AND I THINK, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? SEVERAL, UH, QUITE A BIT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.
I JUST FEEL THAT, THAT, THAT SIGN SHOULD BE LIT UP NICE AND BRIGHT.
AND, UM, DIRECTLY ACROSS TO THE LEFT, THERE'S TWO HUGE ABANDONED ABILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST, UM, 20 YEARS.
AND THEY ARE COMPLETELY DARK, UH, COMPLETELY DARK, THERE'S NO ILLUMINATION.
AND, UH, SINCE THEN, A LOT OF THE HOMELESSNESS HAVE MOVED IN THERE.
AND THERE'S, EVERY WEEKEND THERE'S CONS, UH, CONSISTENT FIRES AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEFTS AND, AND, UH, ALL KINDS OF CRIME THERE.
SO, UM, THEY KIND OF STAY DIRECTLY DOWN THE STREET, NOT, UH, NOT, NOT NEAR US ANYMORE.
UM, BUT THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY RIGHT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE MISSION SAN SAYS, UM, UH, PROPERTY THERE.
UM, EVERYONE'S HAD OPPORTUNITY TO PUT QUESTIONS.
I MAY, I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE.
UM, I, WELL, MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS HERE.
NUMBER OF GOOD SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS YOUR SECURITY ISSUE, YOUR VISIBILITY ISSUE WITH THE BUSINESS.
WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE WINDOW SIGNAGE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SIGNAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL, THAT DOES NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
AND I THINK WITH ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, IT JUST NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
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THANK YOU.UM, I'LL DO, GO AROUND FOR MY REST OF MY COMMISSIONERS.
UM, FIRST, MY VIRTUAL APPLICANTS, I MEAN, VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS.
UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, ANY, UM, COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER MOOKA, NO, OTHER THAN TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS.
UH, NO DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, SIR.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY.
UM, MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I STILL LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE MAP, I WENT BACK TO 2016, THE HOMETOWN BURGER THAT'S THREE DOORS DOWN HAS A GIANT SIGN, LIKE THE SAME SIZE THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIGN.
SO I, I RECOGNIZE THAT WHILE IT'S OUT OF CODE AND IT'S A VIOLATION CASE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UM, IS SORT OF CONFORMING TO THIS.
SO I, I'M GONNA VOTE NO, UH, ON THE, THE PROPOSAL.
UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I THINK THAT, UH, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AND, UM, SINCE THERE ARE OTHER SIGNAGE ELEMENTS ON THE BUILDING THAT IT, THE WHOLE SIGNAGE PACKAGE NEEDS TO BE, UH, LOOKED AT AS A COMPLETE, UH, SUBMITTAL.
AND, UM, I TOO, UM, AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE YOU'VE, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE MADE YOUR CASE, UM, BY, WELL, YOU'VE MADE A CASE OF TRYING TO DESCRIBE OR EXPLAIN THE SIGNAGE AWAY BECAUSE OF THE CRIME IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE SIGN, THE SIGN THAT DOESN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES, THE SIGN, THAT'S A VIOLATION CASE.
OKAY? IT IS GREAT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ILLUMINATION FROM THE, UM, THE CITY LIGHT POLES FOR CPS AND THAT YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, SECURITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ESPECIALLY, UM, WHERE COMMISSIONER SNO STATED, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE OPTIONS AND THERE ARE OTHER MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT YOU CAN DO.
UM, BUT THE, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE MADE YOUR CASE WHEN IT COMES TO THE SIGNAGE BECAUSE EXPLAINING THE CRIME AND EXPLAINING THE SIGNAGE, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REALLY MESH TOGETHER FOR US.
SO, UM, SO FOR THAT, UM, REASON, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION THERE, SIR.
UM, IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO, HOW TO DO A LIGHT THAT FACES A SIGN INSTEAD OF THE SIGN LIGHTING UP, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION? I SUGGEST THAT WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, THAT YOU FOCUS ON WHAT THE GUIDELINES STATES.
AND IF, IF YOU, IF YOU FOCUS ON WHAT THE GUIDELINE STATES, UM, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE FINE.
SO THE GUIDELINE STATES THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE NO, NOT ILLUMINATED AND A QUARTER OF THE SIZE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE GUIDELINE.
OR NOT, NOT ILLUMINATED AT ALL.
UM, AND A QUARTER OF THE SIGN.
BUT THERE'S, I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT GOT PERMITS ALL AROUND THE AREA THAT HAVE LIGHTED SIGNS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT'S A BAR.
IF IT WAS A CAR LOT THAT'S CLOSED AT NIGHT, IF IT WAS ANY OTHER PLACE THAT WAS CLOSED AT NIGHT THAT WOULDN'T, COULDN'T CAUSE POSSIBLE DEATH.
I MEAN, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE AT YOUR MERCY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
IT'S A PLACE THAT'S OPEN TILL TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
SO YOU HAVE, UM, DO YOU HAVE MANY OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO YOU? WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO, TO, UM, HELP ENFORCE THE UDC GUIDELINES.
NOW, UM, WHATEVER THE OUTCOME OF THIS VOTE TODAY YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE REMEDIES.
OKAY? SO IF YOU, IF IF THIS DOESN'T GO IN YOUR FAVOR, YOU CAN UM, YOU CAN COME BACK AGAIN, YOU CAN TRY TO, YOU KNOW, UH, ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES.
IF YOU DON'T WANNA GO THAT ROUTE, YOU CAN ALWAYS, UM, FOLLOW AN APPEAL.
OKAY? SO IT'S YOUR, IT IS REALLY YOUR OPTION, BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE GUIDELINES TO FOLLOW AND THEN THAT'S WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS HERE TO FOCUS ON THAT.
SO, SO THE OPTION THAT, UM, ONE OF, UH, THE BOARDS HAD SAID TO WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY LEAVE THE SIGN AND, AND MAKE IT ILLUMINATED LIKE BILL MILLER'S OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OPEN LATE, IS THAT NOT AN OPTION? OR, SO HERE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, AND, AND I DON'T, WE'RE, IT'S NOT FOR US TO DESIGN YOUR SIGN FOR YOU.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE UDC GUIDELINES.
STAFF PROVIDED GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE SIGN SHOULD LOOK LIKE, HOW IT SHOULD FALL WITHIN THE PARAMETERS.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, THEN YOU'RE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE FINE.
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OKAY? 'CAUSE YOU COULD REALLY, IT DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO COME TO US IF YOU FELL INTO THAT GUIDELINES, BUT, UM, IT'S A VIOLATION.AND YOU DIDN'T FALL WITHIN THAT.
SO IF YOU CAN MODIFY TO FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE FINE.
IF NOT, THEN CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE.
OR AGAIN, YOU CAN FILE AN APPEAL IF THIS DOESN'T GO THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO GO.
SO WE CAN GO BACK AND DESIGN IT AND WE CAN COME BACK HERE OR YOU, UM, WE GET WITH STAFF, BUT OKAY.
AND AGAIN, JUST LAST CONSIDERATION, I MEAN, THIS SIGN, YOU KNOW, WAS OVER $30,000, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GONNA DEFINITELY PUT US, PUT ME IN A BIG SETBACK TOO AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, YOU DON'T JUST TEAR DOWN THAT SIGN AND JUST THROW IT AWAY.
SO AGAIN, JUST JUST IN CONSIDERATION, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE FOCUSED ON, BUT, SO, UM, I HEAR YOU.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU SPENT ON A SIGN, HOWEVER, YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC AREA.
YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AND THIS SIGN IS OUTTA COMPLIANCE.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
SO, UM, WE'VE GIVEN YOU A CHANCE TO PRESENT YOUR CASE AND THEN, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMMON? AYE.
SO, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT HDRC CASE 2026 DASH 0 5 5.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 375 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE WITHIN AN APPROXIMATELY 288 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PORCH AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
ADRIAN, CAN I STOP YOU FOR A SECOND? YES, SIR.
UM, CAN Y'ALL TAKE THE CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE PLEASE? THANK YOU, SIR.
SIR, SIR, YOUR CASE IS OVER, SIR, PLEASE.
SO I'LL, I'LL REPEAT THE REQUEST COMMISSIONERS.
SO THE REQUEST IS FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, THE REQUEST THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 375 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED GARAGE WITH AN APPROXIMATELY 288 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PORCH AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES DETAILED AND ACCURATE CONSTRUCTION READY DRAWINGS FOR THE PROPOSED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE ELEVATIONS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE FULL WINDOW AND DOOR SPECIFICATIONS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS THAT THE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE AN INCIDENT OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN ONE AND A QUARTER INCH AND STYLES NO WIDER THAN TWO AND A QUARTER INCH WHITE MANUFACTURER'S COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED TO STAFF.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE TOP WINDOW SASH.
THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITH THE INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM.
TO ADD THICKNESS WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS IN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE SEAL DETAIL.
WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM ARE CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING.
AND THIRD, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
THE APPLICANT ADRIAN SAMUDIO IS HERE IN PERSON.
ADRIAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR REQUEST.
YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME? YEP.
JUST TRYING TO BUILD A, JUST A GARAGE STRUCTURE PRETTY MUCH TO, I'M MOVING IN FROM NEW BRAUNFELS, TEXAS, MOVING IN FROM A HOUSE PROBABLY THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF THIS HOUSE, AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT EVERYTHING FROM THAT HOUSE INTO THIS LITTLE HOUSE.
AND, UM, I NEED SOME STORAGE SPACE, BASICALLY.
IS THAT JUST PRETTY MUCH IT SIR? PRETTY MUCH IT, MAN.
ALRIGHT, NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS CASE.
NO COMMISSIONER, NO VOICEMAILS OR LETTERS FOR THIS ONE.
WE'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT.
UM, START WITH OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS, UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.
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ANY QUESTIONS? DID HE, DID HE RESPOND? COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, CAN YOU HEAR? OH, YOU'RE MUTED, COMMISSIONER.EVA? NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER S YES, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, TYPICALLY WE DON'T ASK FOR CONS OR THE UDC AND THE GUIDELINES.
DON'T ASK FOR CONSTRUCTION READY DRAWINGS.
I KNOW THAT THE PACKAGE HERE IS REALLY, REALLY INCOMPLETE FROM A NUMBER OF STANDPOINTS, AND I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A SECOND.
BUT TO THE STIPULATION, CONSTRUCTION READY DRAWINGS, UH, WHAT WOULD THOSE INCLUDE? SINCE IT SEEMS TO BE OUT OF THE ORDINARY OF WHAT WE NORMALLY ASK FOR? SURE, COMMISSIONER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE INTEND TO OF COURSE COME BACK WITH THIS REQUEST FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
AND SO OUR AIM IS TO, UM, BASICALLY PROVIDE DETAILED INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL.
SO FOR US, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL ELEVATION DRAWINGS THAT ARE ACCURATE THAT HAVE ALL OF THE MEASUREMENTS TO, UM, REFLECT BASICALLY WHAT THE FINAL OUTCOME WILL BE.
AND SO, JUST, JUST ELEVATIONS THEN.
DO YOU NEED A, DO YOU NEED A SITE PLAN? DO YOU NEED A PLAN? YES.
DO YOU NEED WINDOW SCHEDULES? WHAT IS IT THAT, SO WE WANT, WE WANT A SITE PLAN AND WE WANT ELEVATIONS TO BASICALLY REFLECT, UM, AGAIN, ALL, ALL SIDES OF THE GARAGE AS WELL AS ALL THE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS.
UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE STAFF? UM, SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT I WORK FOR THAT DO SOME WORK HERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT TOLD ME ANYTHING UNDER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PULL ANY KIND OF DRAWINGS FOR, SO THAT'S MM.
BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
IF I HAVE TO PULL SOME, I'LL PULL SOME.
SO, OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU QUESTION? YEAH, I MEAN, HE, I, I KNOW ABOUT ALL THE, UH, I MEAN ON THE, ON THE MATERIALS THAT YOU GUYS WANTED.
I MEAN, I, HE GAVE ME A LIST OF IT AND WE'LL FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.
SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY.
UM, NO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE FOR, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED THAN PROPERLY SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION.
UH, I AGREE WITH STAFF THAT, UH, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
UH, THERE'S SOME CONFLICTING INFORMATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
UH, THERE'S A VINYL WINDOW AND THEN THERE'S A CLAD WOOD WINDOW.
THERE'S THE SIDING WITH, UH, WOOD GRAIN, UH, WHICH IS NOT IN THE GUIDELINES AS OPPOSED TO A, A FLAT, A SMOOTH FINISH.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE IN THE SUBMITTAL.
SO I THINK CLARIFICATION, UH, IN THE FINAL SUBMITTAL, UH, WITH A MEASURE DRAWINGS AND A, UH, DIMENSION SITE PLAN AND, AND, UM, DETAILS FOR, UH, THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THAT GOT IT, I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I'LL, WE'LL OF COURSE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD, UH, BE, YOU KNOW, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT WOULDN'T, THAT'S WHERE THOSE UPDATED DETAILS KIND OF CAME IN.
SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN EVOLUTION BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION OF WHAT IS APPROPRIATE AND WHAT IS NOT FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SOME OF THE STUFF I WAS UPDATING TO THE WEBSITE, HE SAID WAS A NOTE, SO I STARTED EMAILING, LIKE, ON A DIFFERENT EMAIL AND YES, WE STARTED SENDING IN STUFF FROM WHAT THEY WERE ASKING ME TO UPDATE.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, CONTINUE WITH THAT LINE OF THOUGHT, INCLUDING JUST BE REALLY, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE REALLY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE SITE PLAN AND THE LOCATING THE BUILDING RELATIVE NOT ONLY TO THE PROPERTY LINES, BUT ALSO TO THE OTHER STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY.
WHICH BRINGS ME TO SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE TYPICALLY WANT TO SEE IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER MATERIALS,
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DETAILS, ANYTHING IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PRIMARY BUILDING.WE NEED TO SEE THAT PRIMARY BUILDING, WE NEED TO SEE ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS IN A PHOTOGRAPH OR IN PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
SO IF THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE APPLICATION, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
UM, FOR OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS, UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, ANY, UM, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? YEAH, HE LOOKS FROZEN.
COMMISSIONER SSO? NOT AT THIS TIME, SIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER MAYMAN? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO COMMENTS.
AND SABINA, ANY FURTHER THAN ONES? THANK YOU.
UM, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE OUR VIRTUAL APPLICANTS AT THE MOMENT, I MEAN VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER AT THE MOMENT.
UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.
UM, I'LL SKIP THE VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS FOR NOW.
I'M, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO OPEN, BUT IT'S, IT'S HAVING ISSUES.
SO IF, MAY I SUGGEST, UH, A BRIEF PAUSE JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THE, THE VIRTUAL, UH, COMMISSIONERS GOING? SURE.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CASE FILE DID UP, DID UP, UH, FINALLY SHOW.
BECAUSE WE WERE GOTCHA, GOTCHA.
SO ARE WE READY OR ARE YOU A BREAK? UH, COMMISSIONER, THIS IS UP TO YOU.
UM, WE'VE GOT THE FILES UP, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WEBEX FOR THE VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS, IT SEEMS TO HAVE, AGAIN, HAD SOME KIND OF AN ISSUE.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE CAN, UM, RE REBOOT IT.
HOPEFULLY IT WON'T TAKE TOO LONG.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OF COURSE YOUR CALL, SIR.
WE'LL STAY IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
UM, TIME IS DOWN FOUR 16 AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.
SO, UM, ADRIAN, YOU CAN CONTINUE.
LET JUST GO AHEAD AND COMMISSIONER SESSION.
ALRIGHT COMM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE BACK ONLINE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WAITING.
SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, HDRC CASE 2026 DASH 0 4 8.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 500 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT EXTEND THE HISTORIC GD ROOF FORM TO THE REAR RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM AND ELIMINATE THE DORMER.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED SHED ROOF NOT MODIFY THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S.
PRIMARY ROOF FORM TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A VERTICAL WOOD TRIM PIECE TO DENOTE THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF UPDATED DOCUMENTS INCLUDING ELEVATION DRAWINGS REFLECTING THE HISTORIC GABLED ROOF EXTENSION AND SHED ROOF WITHOUT THE DORMER, AS WELL AS THE VERTICAL WOOD TRIM PIECE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT REUSE AND INCORPORATE ANY EXISTING SALVAGEABLE WOOD SIDING ON SITE FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMP RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH.
OR STANDARD GLUM FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION.
RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMP RIDGE CONFIGURATION.
NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED.
ALL CHIMNEY FLUID AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS FROM THE UH, HISTORIC ROOF SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT
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THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS.SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS AS SUBMITTED AND THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS.
THE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE AN INSTEAD OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADE AND SHOULD, AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.
RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN AN INCH AND A QUARTER INSTALLS NO WIDER THAN TWO INCHES AND A QUARTER WHITE MANUFACTURERS COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED.
AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED TO STAFF.
THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND FRONT FACE OF THE TOP WINDOW SASH.
THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITH THE INSTALLATION OF ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM.
WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS IN ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE SILL DETAIL.
WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING AND SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION SUPPORTING STAFF STIPULATIONS AS WELL AS AN UPDATED, UH, DOCUMENT, AN UPDATED ELEVATION DOCUMENT IN YOUR LATE FOLDER.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND THE APPLICANT, CHRIS COKER IS HERE IN PERSON.
SO CHRIS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE 50 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR REQUEST AND THEN I CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, SCROLL BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS OR THE NEW ONES AS YOU'D LIKE.
WHILE I HAVEN'T BEEN IN HERE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS IN MANY YEARS, IT'S BEEN 2021.
THIS IS THE LAST TIME I'VE BEEN IN HERE.
UH, I WORK WITH STAFF ON QUITE A FEW PROJECTS AS HISTORIC IS KIND OF MY THING.
SO, UH, I HAVE A BAD HABIT OF IT.
UM, SO WHAT I'M REQUESTING TODAY, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, UH, EVEN PRIOR TO PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY, UM, IS ADDING AN ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THIS HOUSE.
THERE'S ALREADY AN ADDITION IN PLACE.
UM, THE ADDITION IS, UM, UH, NOT HISTORIC IN NATURE WAS ADDED LATER.
UH, PART OF IT HAS A A CONCRETE FLOORING.
SO ANYWAYS, WHAT I WANT TO ADD IS 500 SQUARE FEET AS IT SITS NOW, THE HOUSE IS 1,006 SQUARE FEET.
UH, WE WANT TO ADD 500 TO THE REAR SIDE, UM, AND BRING IT UP TO BE PURE AND BEAM JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE HOUSE TO, UH, MATCH THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT.
UM, SO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS THAT I HAD WITH STAFF, UM, WAS THAT, WILL YOU TAKE ME TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED? THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED WITH THE, UM, THE ONE WITH THE GABLE? UM, I'VE GOT THIS ONE AND THEN I THINK FINISH WITH THE ONE THAT Y'ALL YEAH, THIS ONE THE INCIDENT KINDA RECOMMEND.
UM, SO GOING BY HISTORIC GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY, SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE GA THE GABLE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT RUN ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR OF THE ADDITION.
UM, I DIDN'T DO THAT ACTUALLY IN THIS INITIAL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HISTORIC WANTS TO SEE A DISTINGUISHED, UH, LINE OF DEMARCATION BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND THE NEW STRUCTURE.
SO I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE GABLE BEING EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTED BY STAFF.
SO THIS WAS THE DESIGN THAT I CAME UP WITH.
UM, AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, SO I LIKE EITHER EITHER OF THE ONES THAT I'M GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TODAY.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY, I KIND OF LIKE THIS ONE BETTER JUST BECAUSE I LIKE THE, THE DISTINGUISHMENT BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL, UM, HOUSE AND THE ADDITION, HOW THE ROOF FLOWS TO THE REAR, BUT I'M ALSO LIKE A, A DORMER JUNKIE.
SO, UH, I JUST LOVE HOW IT KIND OF BREAKS UP THE FLOW OF THE ROOF AND ADDS A ELEMENT OF DIMENSION TO THE PROPERTIES.
UM, MANY OF THE PROPERTIES OBVIOUSLY AND HISTORIC HAVE SOME SORT OF DORMER ON THEM.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE DESIGN, THE CONCEPT OF THIS.
UM, THIS ONE, I, I AGREE WITH ALL THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE, UH, MATERIALS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S GENERALLY NOT, GENERALLY THAT'S, I MEAN, WHAT WE DO ON EVERY PROJECT.
SO IT'D BE, UH, THE METAL ROOF, ONE INCH, UH, ONE TO TWO INCH STANDING SEAM CRIMPED.
UM, AND, UM, AND THE PROPOSAL, THE ADDITION WOULD HAVE, UM, APPROVED PELLA WOOD CLAD WINDOWS ON THEM TO MATCH, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE, THE ORIGINALS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
HOWEVER, THE, UM, THE ORIGINAL, I'M SORRY, NOT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
THERE'S A COUPLE SPOTS ON THE, IF YOU'LL SHOW YEAH, THAT ONE.
UM, WHERE WE WANT TO PUT ORIGINAL WINDOWS IN.
SO WE'LL WE WILL, I'LL HAVE MY, UM, WOOD, MY WINDOW GUY DO EXACTLY THE SAME WINDOW AS THIS, BUT PUT 'EM BACK IN WHERE
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THEY WERE TAKEN OUT FROM THE PREVIOUS OWNER.SO, UM, SO THERE'S ONE SPOT TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR ENTRANCE WHERE SOMETHING WAS TAKEN OUT.
IT WAS PROBABLY A DOOR, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A DOOR THERE, I'D PUT IT, REPLACE IT WITH A WINDOW EXACTLY LIKE THE ONE THAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, THE ONE DOWN THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, AS Y'ALL SAW IT HAD, UM, LOOKED PRETTY OBVIOUS WHERE IT WAS REMOVED.
UM, OBVIOUSLY LIKE KIND QUALITY MATERIALS.
UM, WHAT ELSE? MAYBE WE SHOULD GO TO THE NEW DESIGN, THE NEW ONE.
SO HAVING WORKED WITH STAFF ON THAT FIRST DESIGN, UM, WHEN THEY CAME TO GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK, UM, MIDDLE OF LAST WEEK, THEY SAID AFTER EXTENSIVE, UM, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT, THEY PREFER TO DO THE GABLE ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR.
UM, SO I ASKED MY ARCHITECT IF HE CAN GET ME SOME SORT OF RENDERING PRIOR TO TODAY.
UM, AND THEY WANTED, SO ON THE ORIGINAL ONE WE DID AN INSET TO WHERE THE ADDITION WAS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN NEW AND OLD.
UM, HOWEVER, THIS ONE STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT WE MOVE THE WALL BACK OUT AND JUST PUT A ONE BY FOUR TRIM.
I'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS ON ANY PROJECT.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EITHER ONE.
UM, SO, UH, LET'S GO TO THE RIGHT REAR CORNER.
YEAH, SO THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, THIS IS, I JUST GOT THESE RENDERINGS TODAY AND SO I DID DISCUSS WITH ADRIAN THIS MORNING THAT THE ROOF LINE IS NOT HOW STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND IT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I JUST DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GO BACK TO MY ARCHITECT AND ASK HIM TO REDO THAT IN ORDER TO GIVE THE, THE PROPER ONE FOR TODAY'S, UM, HEARING.
SO, UH, PART OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT I DON'T ALTER THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, UH, OF THE ROOF.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS I'D BRING THE TOP OF THAT.
I MIGHT AS WELL USE MY POINTERS SINCE I BOUGHT ONE
I WOULD BRING THE TOP OF THAT GUY DOWN TO SOMEWHERE IN HERE TO MATCH THIS ROOF LINE.
UM, AND WHAT'D WE SAY? LIKE RIGHT BELOW IT, I THINK YEAH, WOULD PROBABLY LOOK BEST TO START IT LIKE RIGHT BELOW THAT, THAT ROOF LINE AND THEN WORK ITS WAY BACK.
SO THIS, THIS ACTUAL ROOF SLOPE HERE.
AND SO I'M DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THIS AND TALKING TO MY CONTRACTOR ABOUT IT.
THE ONE INCH ONE TO TWO INCH STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS WITH THE MECHANICAL CRIMP ON IT, UM, GENERALLY CAN BE TAKEN DOWN TO LIKE A QUARTER INCH SLOPE.
THIS ONE SHOWS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M SUPER COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, I HAD RECOMMENDED A THREE 12.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A TWO AND A HALF 12.
SO WE SEE HOW MUCH, BECAUSE THERE'S A LARGE SPAN THERE, THERE'S LIKE A 60 INCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TOP OF THAT AND THE BOTTOM DOWN HERE.
THAT'S A, A VERY LARGE DIFFERENCE.
I THINK I CAN GET THAT SLOPE DOWN.
I'M, I'M HOPING MAYBE AN INCH OR SO.
UH, SO ONE 12, SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BE MORE ALONG THE, THE, UH, LINES OF A SHED ROOF, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED ANYWAYS.
SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE ONLY ALTERATION TO THIS THAT, THAT I DON'T HAVE AN ITERATION OF TO, TO ACTUALLY SHOW Y'ALL.
UM, BUT BESIDES THAT, CHIMNEYS WILL STAY IN PLACE.
UM, I THINK I KIND OF COVERED EVERYTHING THERE, SO I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MAY HAVE ON THAT.
UM, WE'LL START OFF WITH OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER GADA QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR.
NO QUESTIONS, BUT I'M, I'M INCLINED TO, UH, TO AGREE WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THE NEW DESIGNS.
UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER TRA YASO, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
ACTUALLY, THE HOME THAT I'M TO BUILD ONE BEHIND IT ONTO THE, ONTO THE REAR OF IT.
GONNA GET ACCESS TO THE DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK.
THERE IS A, THERE'S AN ALLEYWAY IN THE REAR.
UH, THERE IS, AND COMMISSIONER, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S A, IT'S A REAR ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, SO IT'LL BE PART
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OF THE STRUCTURE, NOT, NOT A SECOND HOUSE BEHIND IT.OH YEAH, I HAVE SOME, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA PREFACE IT WITH A LONG OBSERVATION.
I THINK PART OF YOUR, THE AWKWARDNESS OF THE DESIGN IS, UM, THAT YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH, ESPECIALLY ON THAT ONE, UM, GABLE END AND WHERE YOU'VE GOT A SHED COMING IN AS WELL AS THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
BUT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE ORIGINAL YOU, UM, DIDN'T HAVE IS THIS FLUSH CONDITION FLUSH GOING FROM FRONT TO BACK FROM THE MAIN HOUSE TO THE ADDITION BEFORE IT LOOKED LIKE IT POPPED IN A LITTLE BIT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GIVING US A DIFFICULT TIME IN ACKNOWLEDGING THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FOR THE ADDITION.
IF YOU WERE TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COME IN ABOUT A FOOT ON EITHER SIDE, THEN WHATEVER ADDITIONAL ROOF, WHETHER IT'S THE LONG GABLE OR THE SHED, IT, THE LONG GABLE WOULD JUST SIT A LITTLE BIT LOWER SO IT DOESN'T TIE INTO THE MAIN GABLE.
'CAUSE OFTEN TIMES WHEN WE HAVE EXTRUDED GABLES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED ON OVER TIME, YOU CAN SEE THE SHIFTING, THE STRUCTURAL SHIFTING IN THE ROOF MM-HMM
BUT WHAT IF YOU WERE TO YEAH, TURN IT UNDER AND DO YOUR SHED ROOF.
YOUR SHED ROOF WOULD THEN ATTACH TO YOUR GABLE.
THAT'S BEEN FULLY EXPRESSED ON THE END BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CORNER BECAUSE YOU'VE TURNED IT, YOU'VE TURNED THE CORNER AND THEN IT'LL LOOK LIKE AN ADDITION.
I'M TRYING TO SKETCHED OUT HERE.
OH, DO YOU? BUT, BUT TO THE QUESTION, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO, UM, GOING TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SO THAT WE COULD WORK ON THAT? UM, AS A MATTER OF TIME WOULD BE THE ONLY REASON THAT I WOULD OPPOSE THAT AND NOT TO SAY THAT I WOULD OPPOSE IT.
BECAUSE I, I IN A WAY KIND OF WORKED THROUGH IT, THE PROCESS WITH STAFF AHEAD OF TIME MM-HMM
TO TRY TO COME TO A, UM, WHAT THE STAFF DESIRED MM-HMM
UM, BUT WHEN I SAY TIME, IT'S JUST TIME IS MONEY.
AND I UNDERS I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK THERE'S, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT THERE'S A DIFFICULTY IN PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A STIPULATION FOR ONE THING, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT NOT AS HOW EXPEDITIOUS IS IT FOR STAFF, BUT RATHER FOR HOW IS THIS GOING TO WEAR OVER TIME AND HOW WILL IT BE LEGIBLE AS AN ADDITION TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO IF YOU WOULD NOTICE, SO PART OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS ABOUT THE INSET OR THE STRAIGHT SIDE MM-HMM
UM, ORIGINALLY WE DIS, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU AND I THAT DISCUSSED THE INSET, DID WE? YEAH.
SO, UH, WE DISCUSSED THE INSET, WE ADDED IT MM-HMM
STAFF RECOMMENDED STAFF SAID, AND SO I ADDED IT.
AND YOU WOULD SEE THAT IN THIS, CORRECT? YES.
UHHUH,
UH, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A STRONG OPINION EITHER WAY, WHETHER IT'S THE INSET OR THE ONE BY FOUR.
BUT WHAT I'M TAKING FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IF WE DID THE, THE LAST ITERATION OF THE DRAWING YES.
WHERE THE GABLE ROOF IS ALL THE WAY EXTENDED.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF THE WEAR OVER TIME, YOU COULD START TO SEE, YOU WILL SEE THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE, THE ROOF LINE.
AND ESPECIALLY ON AN ELEVATION THAT IS SO PROMINENT MM-HMM
AND THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE CONSISTENT AND AS, AS PERFECT AS POSSIBLE, IT MIGHT BE WORTH TAKING THAT EXTRA STR STEP AND DROPPING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING JUST IN THE REAR SIDE, LIKE RIGHT HERE MM-HMM
DROPPING THE GABLE MAYBE A FOOT DOWN BELOW WHERE THE BACK CABLE ENDS? NO, YOU'RE USING THE, YOUR LATE DRAWINGS, YOUR MOST RECENT DRAWING, NOT THIS ONE.
SO THIS IS WHAT A DRC CAN BE USEFUL FOR.
UM, IF WE USE YOUR LOOK AT THE NEWEST DRAWING, THERE YOU GO.
THAT GABLE, THE NEW GABLE WOULD SIT BELOW THE ORIGINAL GABLE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE A FOOT START IT LIKE A FOOT BELOW THE ORIGINAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I THINK A FOOT WOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH SPACE TO DO WORK.
THAT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL IDEA WITH MY ARCHITECT AND HE AND I, FOR SOME REASON WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT.
BUT, UH, I THINK WHAT IT HAD TO DO WITH WAS MAYBE THE SHED STYLE ROOF ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, HAVING AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING HAVING TO DO WITH THAT.
UM, YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING ON THAT TO WHERE YOUR SHED ROOF, BECAUSE IT IS SET IN MERELY KIND OF ATTACHES HERE.
IT'S NOT A BLENDING OF SHAPES AND FORMS, IT'S ATTACHING SEPARATELY.
ANYWAY, WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALSO ALLOWS THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC VOLUMES TO READ ACCURATELY RATHER THAN THIS AMALGAM OF STUFF.
I WILL SAY, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, YEAH.
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UM, TO MAKE THESE HISTORIC PROPERTIES LOOK FANTASTIC.SO IT'S, NONE OF MY PROPERTIES LOOK LIKE JUST A MUSH OF STUFF TOGETHER.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY DISTINGUISHABLE, VERY HISTORIC IN NATURE.
UH, ALL GUIDELINES HAVING BEEN FOLLOWED.
THEY, THEY'RE VERY ADMIRED BY MANY PEOPLE.
SO YEAH, NOT TO GET TOO FAR, BUT THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO A DRC? UM, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT I WOULD BE, BUT I'D PREFER I'D YOU PREFER, PREFER NOT TO.
THAT YOU, THAT WOULD BE MY DECISION ON THAT.
YES, I, IT'S THE SAME THING WHETHER YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO A DRC.
UM, I'VE SKETCHED SOME THINGS HERE FOR A ROOF COMMISSIONER, UH, SAV IS SKETCHED SOME THINGS FOR A ROOF AND IT'S A LITTLE, WE DON'T WANT TO DESIGN IT HERE FOR YOU.
WE NEED, BUT WE NEED, UH, THINK SOME MORE TIME TO DISCUSS IT.
AND IF YOU, UH, HAVE YOUR ARCHITECT THERE, UH, FOR THE DRC, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO A, TO A SOLUTION THAT WOULD MEET THE GUIDELINES AS WELL AS BE SOMETHING YOU'D BE PROUD TO RESTORE AND CONSTRUCT.
I WOULD ASK, DO I NOT CURRENTLY MEET THE GUIDELINES IF I'M AGREEING TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS? SO KEEP IN MIND, I, I THINK THAT I'M DOING MYSELF A DIS JUST, UH, DISSERVICE BY ACTUALLY SHOWING THIS TO WHERE THAT ROOF LINE IS UP THERE.
BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU BRING THAT DOWN TO WHERE IT'S MORE SHED STYLE, THAT ALL THIS REALLY LOOKS REALLY WELL TOGETHER.
UM, AND, AND ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT EVERYONE WOULD PREFER.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT I SAY ABOUT THAT.
WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WHEN COMING TO THIS, SO IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T QUICKLY THROW THIS TOGETHER.
UM, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME MYSELF GOING THROUGH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DESIGNS AND HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKING AT THE ROOF LINES, PITCHES AND EVERYTHING OF, OF WHAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE.
THIS ONE'S IN NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO OF COURSE IT'S NOT VERY BIG.
UM, AND SO I DID HAVE TO BRANCH OUT OVER TO KING WILLIAM AND UH, LA BACA AS WELL.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, A LOT OF THOUGHT DID GO INTO IT.
SO I, I THINK MAYBE THAT, I'M JUST PRESUMING THAT THIS TOP PORTION HERE IS THROWING IT OFF A LITTLE BIT.
WE WILL BRING THAT DOWN AND IT WILL LOOK, UM, VERY SPECIFIC TO OUR, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMISSIONER SINO.
UM, THE SHED ROOF IS WHAT IS PROBLEMATIC.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE GABLE DOWN AND ATTACH IT A LITTLE BIT LOWER? CORRECT.
IT'S STILL, WELL THEN BY THAT POINT, IT'S ALMOST A FLAT ROOF, WHICH IS MORE OF AN ABERRATION FOR A HISTORIC HOUSE.
SO A POSSIBILITY IS, UM, UH, TURNING THAT WHOLE AREA INTO A HIP ROOF, WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO RAISE THE, THE PLATE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND ENGAGE THAT ROOF A LITTLE HIGHER UP.
BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER IDEA.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE FIRST DESIGN THAT I HAD THEN? WELL, THERE, UH, THE DRAWING, THE ROOF PLAN I THINK LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THE RENDERING.
SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS FOR THIS ONE HERE.
YEAH, NO, THIS IS THE, YOU'VE GOT A, A STRANGE COLLISION BETWEEN TWO GABLE ROOF FORMS. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S A DRC THING.
UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UM, SURE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, UM, UH, REFER THIS TO A DRC FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION TO SOLVE THE ROOF FORMS. SECOND, BEEN MORE THAN PROPERLY SECOND.
I'LL JUST SAY IT'S JUST FOR THE REASONS WE TALKED ABOUT THERE.
THERE ARE LOTS OF GOOD DECI UM, OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
AND I KNOW TIME IS MONEY, BUT ALSO HOW SOMETHING GETS FRAMED.
IT COULD BE FRAMED A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, UM, THERE COULD BE A WAY TO FRAME IT MORE EFFICIENTLY TOO, WHICH IS MONEY TOO.
I'M NOT GONNA TAKE AS MUCH TIME IN FOR LAST QUICK BLURB AS THE LAST UHHUH GUEST DID, OR THE ONE PRIOR TO THAT.
BUT I, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT I'VE, OUT OF ALL THE PROJECTS I'VE DONE, I'VE NEVER HAD, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORT, UH, MY ORIGINAL ITERATION OF SOMETHING.
AND SO I THINK THAT, UH, KING WILLIAMS SUPPORTED, UM, ALL HIS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THAT SHOULD CARRY SOME WEIGHT.
UM, MAY I MAKE, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT? YES, MA'AM.
CAN WE, UM, MAYBE TO FACILITATE THIS, UM, RECOMMEND TIME CERTAINTY, MAYBE THE NEXT AVAILABLE, UM,
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DRC? YES.I WOULD MAKE THAT FOR NEXT WEEK, THE NEXT AVAILABLE DRC, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN, UM, GET YOU IN NEXT WEEK FOR THE, THE DRC.
AND THEN YOU'D BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE THE 18TH.
IF I DO, UM, SO WHEN WE MEET FOR DRC, WE COME TO A CONCLUSION ON SOMETHING, UM, FOR THE NEXT HDRC AGENDA, WOULD WE, WOULD I STILL HAVE TO PRESENT OR COULD I BE ON THE CONSENT? IT'S A CALL FOR STAFF.
SO THAT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON, YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION.
IF WE, IF WE CAN RECOMMEND IT AS SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, OR WITH STIPULATIONS THAT YOU AGREE TO FULLY, THEN USUALLY THAT LEADS TO IT BEING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I AGREE TO ALL YOUR STIPULATIONS AS IS RIGHT NOW, SO
UM, COMMISSIONER GODA, NO COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO COMMENTS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
IT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA.