Mar 18, 2026 Historic and Design Review Commission

MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON WHEN I START THIS.

WE CAN, UH, BRING OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.

THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I AM J MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.

IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.

AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.

AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT, WHICH IS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.

PERMITS MUST BE ATTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

UM, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

UM, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

UM, FIRST ITEM IS MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST HEARING.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MARCH 4TH.

I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM MARCH 4TH, 2026.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]

UM, WE HAD EIGHT ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.

IN THE INTEREST OF, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE NOT RIDGE PARK, UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT, THAT HER BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.

UM, SO THAT WOULD JUST LEAVE ITEMS TWO THROUGH, UM, EIGHT ON CONSENT.

AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR VOICEMAILS ON THOSE ITEMS. DO ANY COMMISSIONS, WILL SHE PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA? HEARING NONE.

MAY I HAVE A, UM, MOTION FOR, UM, BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEMS 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SECOND.

PARKWAY, ONE 18 EAST RE 2 0 1 WEST MARIPOSA, AND 25, OR EXCUSE ME, 95 99 BRAUN, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.

IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 4 0 1 VITA 4 62, MARY LOUISE, 3 44 NORTH, 600 THEO

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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

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OKAY, EDWARD, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND READ US INTO THE RECORD FOR ITEM ONE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 58 3700 NORTH ST.

MARY'S BRACKENRIDGE PARK.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO PHASE TWO OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK BOND PROJECTS.

THE PHASE TWO SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES ONE RESTORATION OF THE 1877 PUMPHOUSE, TWO EXCAVATION, REHABILITATION, AND RE RE WATERING OF THE HISTORIC WATERWORKS RACEWAY.

THREE STABILIZATION AND RE WATERING OF THE UPPER LAB, BO SEIA FOUR, UNCOVERING AND REHABILITATION OF THE UPPER LAB BORE DIVERSION DAM FIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LILY POND.

SIX, REHABILITATION OF TWO HISTORIC BATHROOM PAVILIONS.

SEVEN, REHABILITATION AND CONVERSION OF ELECTRIC PUMP HOUSE INTO A STORAGE BUILDING.

AND EIGHT VARIOUS SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, TREE PLANTING, WALKWAY, WALKING PATHS, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, AND UTILITY CONSTELLATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED.

INITIAL INVESTIGATIONS HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED AND THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE.

GO AHEAD, MIKE.

ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS MIKE SHANNON.

I'M THE CITY'S DIRECTOR OF OUR CAPITAL DELIVERY DEPARTMENT, UH, WHO WILL OVERSEEING, OVERSEEING THIS PROJECT, UH, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

BUT I'M HERE.

I'M GONNA GO THROUGH A SLIDE DECK TODAY.

I KNOW YOU SAW THIS, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

WE WERE HERE IN JANUARY.

I WENT THROUGH A VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION OF THE DESIGN OF PHASE TWO.

UH, YOU GAVE US SOME HOMEWORK, UH, SOME INSTRUCTIONS TO DO.

UM, SO I'LL WALK THROUGH THAT AND WE HAVE A FEW CHANGES TO THE, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE OF THAT.

LET'S SEE, IS THIS THE POINT? OR YOU'LL NEED TO, OH, OKAY.

THAT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU ALL WAS, HEY, WORK WITH THE DRC.

ALL RIGHT.

SO PROJECT RECAP.

I THINK, UH, YOU ALL KNOW, UH, AND REMEMBER THAT THIS, UH, IS A PORTION OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK ON THE NORTH SIDE OVER, UH, UM, NEAR HILDEBRAND.

UH, AND IT'S DEPICTED THERE IN THE ORANGE THERE.

SO IT'S A PARK IMPROVEMENT.

AS MENTIONED.

IT'S A, A BOND PROJECT FROM 2017, UH, THAT THE CITY HAS, UH, BEEN WORKING ON, UH, A LITTLE BIT CLOSE UP.

UM, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS PROJECT IS DIVIDED INTO PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, AND WE'RE HERE TODAY SEEKING APPROVAL FOR PHASE TWO AS WE WERE IN JANUARY.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS IN PHASE ONE, A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS IN PHASE TWO, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON THE PHASE TWO PART OF THE PROJECT.

PHASE ONE IS STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION, UH, A LOT OF WORK HAPPENING OVER THERE, UH, BUT ACTUALLY WE'RE LOOKING TO PROCEED WITH PHASE, THE PHASE TWO WORK.

SO, UH, JUST TO REORIENT YOU TO THE SITE, UM, MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE RECENTLY AS PART OF OUR DRC WALKTHROUGH, WHICH WAS REALLY OUR HOMEWORK, UM, UH, TO REALLY ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS.

LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, REAL TIME, UH, 3D UH, BUT THIS IS THE PROJECT HERE.

IT'S NORTH OF, UH, THE NORTH OF THE, UM, UH, THE PUMP HOUSE.

UM, AND AS WE WORK TOWARDS HILDEBRAND, UH, THAT'S THE OVERALL DESIGN OF WHAT IT PROPOSED TO LOOK LIKE.

I'M GONNA WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

UM, BUT REALLY, AGAIN, RE REHABBING, UH, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR HISTORIC, UH, FUNCTIONS, EMPHASIZING CERTAINLY WATER AS, AS SEIA, UM, REESTABLISH THE IDENTITY OF THE PARK.

A LOT MORE GREEN SPACE, UH, LESS, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER, ET CETERA.

BUT MAINTAINING A PARK LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FACILITY, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST, UH, MOST IMPORTANT HISTORIC, UH, PARKS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

AND I DON'T WANNA OFFEND ANYBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT LOVE ANOTHER PARK, BUT I THINK WE ALL KNOW THIS IS AT LEAST ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC AND GREATEST ASSETS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.

SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT IS ALL ABOUT.

UM, AND IT'S GONNA INCLUDE THINGS LIKE REHABBING THE CULTURAL RESOURCES, CREATING A PLAZA, WHICH YOU SEE THERE.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, UM, UNDERGROUND UTILITY CONVERSIONS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT THROUGHOUT THE, THE PARK OF THE LAST 25 YEARS.

SO THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME OF THAT.

UM, ECOLOGICAL RESTORATION, UH, CERTAINLY CREATING MORE PEOPLE SPACE, UH, IS WHAT YOU SEE, UH, FOR PARK, UM, ENJOYMENT, UH, FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

SO THIS SLIDE HERE, JUST AS A LITTLE TIMELINE, UM, AGAIN, WE, WE WERE IN JANUARY.

WE HELD THE PUBLIC MEETING.

WE WERE HERE, UM, IN LATE JANUARY.

UH, WENT THROUGH THE PROJECT, LOT OF DISCUSSION.

AND, UH, AFTER

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THERE WAS SOME CLARIFICATIONS, SOME THINGS WE WANTED TO LOOK AT VERY DIRECTLY, UH, WALK THROUGH THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

UH, WE DID THAT.

UH, WE SHORTLY THEREAFTER, UH, SCHEDULED A WALKTHROUGH.

UM, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLE.

UH, AS PART OF THAT, UH, WE HAD, UH, MANY OF YOU WERE THERE.

UH, WE HAD, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WERE THERE.

CERTAINLY A LOT OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT FOR SEVERAL YEARS, KIND OF WALKED THROUGH THE PHASE TWO IN A, IN A KIND OF A BIG GIANT LOOP.

UM, STARTING AT THE PUMP HOUSE, UH, AND ACTUALLY, UH, IDENTIFIED A FEW, UH, CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE STAFF TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF WE CAN INCORPORATE, UH, PARKING AND ADDITIONAL PICNIC TABLES.

UH, WERE SOME OF THE KEY ISSUES, AND I'M GONNA SHOW THOSE HERE IN A FEW SECONDS.

UH, WE THEN FURTHER MET WITH SOME MORE OF YOU THAT COULDN'T, COULDN'T MAKE IT TO THE, UM, INITIAL SITE VISIT.

THERE WAS A MEETING, UH, LATER, UH, IN FEBRUARY, TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT, GET SOME FEEDBACK.

UH, THAT FEEDBACK WAS INVALUABLE BECAUSE THAT HELPS US GO BACK, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATIONS, GO BACK WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM, AND I'M GONNA SHOW THAT WE INCORPORATED, I THINK, UH, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PROPOSED DESIGN, UH, ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT TODAY.

SO A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS, REMEMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WATER FLOW ALONG THE SITE, DRAINAGE.

THIS IS OUR EXISTING DRAINAGE, UH, THAT WE HAVE.

YOU CAN SEE KIND OF HOW THE WATER FLOWS.

A LOT OF, A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS CUT COVER, RIGHT? A LOT OF PAVEMENT, UM, AND OUR PROPOSED DESIGN.

SO THIS DOESN'T, UM, CHANGE TOO MUCH, BUT AGAIN, OUR OVERALL PROPOSED DESIGN, THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.

I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THESE.

I THINK WE SHOWED 'EM LAST TIME, BUT A LOT OF PREVIOUS COVER IN A LOT OF AREAS.

BUT, UH, IF I SCROLL THROUGH, THIS IS HILDEBRAND, UH, COMING IN.

I'M GONNA SCROLL THROUGH.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, A LOT LESS IMPERVIOUS COVER.

SO, UH, WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT REALLY CREATES, UH, A LOT MORE FILTERING OF WATER RUNOFF DURING RAIN EVENTS, UH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

SO WE'RE ABLE TO CONTROL ACCESS POINTS, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN LID FEATURES, UH, MANAGEMENT, UH, OF, OF WATER FLOW, UH, IS BETTER.

UH, SO THAT'S A BIG PART OF OUR DESIGN.

BUT AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO REORIENT YOU ON THAT.

UM, BUT, UM, THE, THE FOCUS HERE IS, UH, THIS SLIDE IS IMPORTANT.

SO WE HAD OUR MEETING OUT IN THE FIELD.

WE HAD A MEETING, UM, WITH SHORTLY THEREAFTER, BUT SOME OF THE KEY AREAS WERE, UH, I'LL, I'LL POINT YOU TO, UH, KIND OF THE NORTH SECTION BY THE DONKEY BARN.

UH, ITEM NUMBER 23, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT.

UM, BUT THAT WHOLE CULTURAL TRAIL, THE PICNIC, I'M SORRY, THE, THE WALKING TRAIL ON KIND OF THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT PLAN, UH, WHAT WE IDENTIFIED DURING THE WALKTHROUGH WAS, GEEZ, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED DURING OUR MEETING IN JANUARY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PICNIC TABLES THERE NOW.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE TO COME ENJOY.

UM, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART.

WE ARE ACTUALLY CREATING MORE GREEN SPACE THERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE REMOVING, UH, THAT DRIVEWAY ACCESS, THAT BIG DRIVEWAY LOOP.

WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE MORE PEOPLE, SPACE WALKING, TRAIL SPACE.

UH, PEOPLE COME AND ENJOY THAT, UH, IN A PARK-LIKE SETTING.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE IDENTIFIED THOUGH, WAS WE'RE REMOVING, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE ALL THE PARKING, UH, KIND OF FROM THAT HILDEBRAND ENTRANCE BETWEEN THE LILY POND, UM, AND, UH, KIND OF THE AREA THAT I JUST HIGHLIGHTED.

UH, BUT SOME COMMENTS CAME FROM THAT WALKTHROUGH.

WELL, GEEZ, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY.

IT'S EASY TO WALK FROM KIND OF THE SOUTHERN PARKING SPOTS.

HOW ARE THEY GONNA ENJOY THAT? UH, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, UH, A, DA ISSUES TO CONSIDER, UH, MAYBE A DA PLACARDS.

THEY DON'T GET AROUND TOO MUCH ONCE THEY GET OUT OF THE CAR.

SO, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SAY, YEAH, YOU WERE RIGHT.

UM, THAT WAS GOOD FEEDBACK.

UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A COUPLE A DA SPACES FOR THAT AREA, FOR THOSE THAT, UH, MAY HAVE TROUBLE WALKING THE DISTANCE FROM KIND OF THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PARKING, UH, TO ENJOY THAT NORTHERN END OF THE SPACE.

SO I THINK ADDING THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO OUR OVERALL DESIGN.

AGAIN, WE WANT, WE WANT MORE PEOPLE TO ENJOY THIS SPACE OVERALL.

AND, UH, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT, UH, PART OF, OF THE CONSIDERATION.

AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF OUR REDESIGN.

SO, UH, AFTER THAT, UM, OH, I SHOULD, SHOULD GO BACK BECAUSE THERE'S TWO THINGS ON THIS SLIDE.

UM, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.

MAYBE YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR COMPUTERS, BUT, UH, WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL PICNIC TABLES, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS ANOTHER COMMENT CONVERSATION FROM, UH, THE MEETING.

IT WAS ALSO A, A LARGE CONVERSATION DURING THE WALKTHROUGH, UH, WITH THE DRC AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY WAS, GEEZ, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING ALL THESE GREAT SPACES, LET'S SAY, UH, A LOT MORE GREEN SPACE TO ENJOY WALKTHROUGH.

PUT A PICNIC BLANKET DOWN.

HOWEVER, THE PICNIC TABLES IN THE PARK ARE AN IMPORTANT PIECE WHERE PEOPLE GATHER.

THEY HAVE FUNCTIONS.

THEY MAY NOT JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, LUNCH OR A CUP OF COFFEE, BUT THEY HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

SO WE'VE ACTUALLY, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD NINE PICNIC TABLES.

UH, THE DESIGN OF THOSE PICNIC TABLES AREN'T DONE YET.

UM, BUT WE, WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE NEED TO ADD THOSE BASED ON THE CONVERSATION.

SO A HANDFUL OR SO, UM, UP ON THE NORTHERN END THERE BY THE TRAIL, UH, THAT'S ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

UH, SOME IMPORTANT ONES WERE IDENTIFIED BELOW THE ASAKIA, YOU SEE, AND THERE THESE ORANGE SQUARE BOXES, RIGHT? YOU SEE THOSE THERE.

UM, THOSE ARE WHERE SOME EXISTING PICNIC TABLES, SOME STONE PICNIC TABLES

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ARE.

NOW, WE GOT SOME GOOD, UH, KIND OF STORIES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE USE THOSE.

AND THEY'VE BEEN USING THEM FOR, UH, A COUPLE DECADES FOR THEIR FAMILY GATHERINGS.

SO INCORPORATING THOSE BACK INTO THE DESIGN, UH, SPACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN NOT JUST WALK THROUGH IT, UM, AND ENJOY THE SPACE, BUT ALSO SIT DOWN, MAYBE HAVE AN EVENT LIKE A FAMILY GATHERING.

THEN THERE'S ONE MORE ON THE LOWER, LOWER LEFT THERE.

BUT ADDING THE PICNIC TABLES, I THINK WAS A GOOD ADDITION OR REDESIGN BASED ON WHAT YOU SAW.

AND, UH, WE THINK THAT'S ABOUT THE RIGHT BALANCE RIGHT THERE.

WE'RE PROPOSING NINE CERTAINLY.

UM, IF THAT'S TOO MANY, WE'D LOVE THAT FEEDBACK.

IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, WE'D LOVE THAT FEEDBACK.

UH, BUT WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD BALANCE AND CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE'LL MONITOR OVER THE LIFE OF THE PARK, RIGHT? BECAUSE A PICNIC TABLE IS SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK TOWARDS, UH, THROUGH MAINTENANCE OR ADDITIONS IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.

BUT, UH, WE CERTAINLY SEE THAT AS A BIG IMPROVEMENT TO THE DESIGN.

SO WHAT THAT DOES, I KNOW TREES IS A BIG PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

THIS IS A PARK PROJECT.

UH, WE KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THIS I THINK LAST TIME.

UH, THERE'LL BE SOME TREES TAKEN DOWN.

THERE'LL BE A LOT OF TREES PUT BACK.

UH, WE GAVE YOU A BIG, I THINK, SPREADSHEET OR A TABLE WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES.

THE TOTAL, NOW THE TOTAL THEN.

BUT JUST TO BE ULTRA TRANSPARENT HERE, UH, WE ARE WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PARKING SPACES AND, UH, THE PICNIC TABLES THAT I SHOW, WE WILL NOT BE PUTTING AS MANY NEW TREES ON THE SITE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE NEW TREES WE'VE GONE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A TOTAL OF 10 NEW TREES, FOUR NEW SHADE TREES, AND SIX UNDERSTORY TREES THAT WE HAD IN THE ORIGINAL CALCULATIONS THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

SO WE WILL FOREGO ADDING THOSE 10 TREES OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, 250.

WE'RE STILL ADDING 250, UH, BUT 10 OF THOSE WILL BE REMOVED BECAUSE WE WANT TO PUT THE 80 A PARKING SPACES AND WE WANNA PUT THE, UM, PICNIC TABLES IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MODIFICATION TO WHAT WE SHOWED YOU A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

WE STILL THINK THE STORY IS, WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF NEW TREES ON THIS.

THIS IS A MUCH GREENER, UH, PARK AREA, NOT ONLY ON THE, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, BUT ON THE TREES SIDE OF IT.

BUT, UH, WE WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

UH, BUT WE, UH, WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD, UM, A GOOD ADDITION OR A GOOD REDESIGN.

UM, ALSO OUR IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, CALCULATION CHANGE, JUST A HAIR, RIGHT? A 1% CHANGE.

BUT WE WANT TO, WE WANT YOU TO SEE IT BECAUSE, UH, THIS WAS OUR EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT THIS I THINK A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

WE DO THE CALCULATIONS THERE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT THE CURRENT SITE OF THIS PHASE TWO IS ABOUT 37% IMPERVIOUS COVER.

UH, WE WERE PROPOSING WITH THE, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO DESIGN THAT WOULD GO TO ABOUT A, A 10% DECREASE, RIGHT? WE GO FROM 37 TO 27.

HOWEVER, IF WE KEEP A COUPLE OF, UH, PERVIOUS PARKING SPACES, UH, AND WE ADD THOSE PICNIC TABLES, WHICH WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF FOUNDATION BASED PREVIOUS COVER, IT DOES SHAVE A PERCENTAGE OFF.

SO INSTEAD OF REALIZING A 10% REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS COVER FOR THE PROJECT, IT JUST GOES DOWN TO 9%.

STILL A VERY POSITIVE, UH, CHANGE, UH, TO THIS AREA FOR A LOT OF THOSE, UH, REASONS.

UH, BUT AGAIN, WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU HOW THOSE TWO CHANGES DO AFFECT SOME OF THE NUMBERS.

UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE STILL THINK THIS IS A GREAT DESIGN, UH, INCORPORATING THESE, UH, EVEN THOUGH THAT IMPERVIOUS, UH, REDUCES BY THE IMPERVIOUS NET DECREASE DOES, UH, GO DOWN BY 1%, BUT STILL A, A GREAT OVERALL IMPROVEMENT.

I WANTED TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE, UH, PROJECT CLARIFICATIONS, UH, BECAUSE THIS WAS, UH, ALSO DISCUSSED IN THE WALKTHROUGH WAS DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT AT THE MEETING.

OF COURSE, UH, THE STONE KEY LAW, THE STONE KIOSK RELOCATION BY THE PUMP HOUSE, RIGHT? SOME QUESTIONS.

AND ACTUALLY A LOT.

WE STARTED THE, THIS IS WHERE WE STARTED THE TOUR, UH, BACK IN THAT, UM, JANUARY 28TH, UH, DRC WALKTHROUGH.

UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE MOVED, RIGHT? IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE THC APPROVAL PROCESS.

UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THIS WILL BE MOVED.

UH, WE WILL REMOVE THIS.

WE WILL ACTUALLY PARK IT TEMPORARILY, UH, STORE IT TEMPORARILY IN THE LOCATION ON SITE.

AND I'M GONNA SHOW IT TO YOU ON HERE.

BUT, UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE, UH, THC APPROVAL PROCESS THERE.

THEY BELIEVE THAT'S OKAY.

UH, AND IT, WE WILL HAVE, OF COURSE, UH, WE WILL HAVE QUALIFIED PEOPLE, UH, MOVE IT AND PUT IT BACK IN THE NEW LOCATION.

UH, SO I JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE.

BUT, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY OF IT, RIGHT? WE, IT COMES IN SOME PHOTOS IN 1940S.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'LL CERTAINLY DEFER TO MY, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE FRIENDS.

UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS.

AND, AND THIS IS THE SLIDE.

UM, SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE MIDDLE THERE, IT SAYS EXISTING LOCATION, THAT'S WHERE IT IS TODAY.

UM, THE, THE FINAL LOCATION WILL BE KIND OF MOVED UP AND AWAY TO THE LEFT THERE ALONG THAT WALKING TRAIL.

HOWEVER, IT'LL BE TEMPORARILY STORED, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION.

'CAUSE THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE, NOT ONLY IN THE, IN THE, UM, UH, THE LOCATION WHERE IT WAS, BUT IN THE LOCATION WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, IT'LL PROBABLY, DEPENDING ON HOW OUR CONTRACTOR SEQUENCES, IT'LL PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT'S MOVED BACK.

UH, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WHEN WE GET TO THAT CONTRACTOR, UH, STAGE OF THAT, UH, PROCESS.

BUT HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE

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HAD, I KNOW, AT THE WALKTHROUGH AND, AND MAYBE EVEN, UM, UH, THE LAST MEETING.

SO REALLY THAT'S A SUMMARY.

I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

UM, NOT REALLY REHASH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION.

I KNOW THAT WE HAD A LONG PRESENTATION LAST TIME.

THERE WERE A LOT OF DETAILS, UM, BUT WE DID TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK FROM THE LAST MEETING, THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC, THE FEEDBACK, UM, WE, WE HEARD DURING THE DRC WALKTHROUGH AND THEN THE FOLLOW UP MEETING.

UM, AND WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES, I THINK ADDRESSES THAT.

WE STILL THINK, UH, THIS PROJECT IS, UH, CERTAINLY READY FOR, UH, TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR APPROVAL.

AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF TEAM MEMBERS HERE TODAY.

I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE TODAY, BUT IF WE HAVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.

SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE CHANGES.

SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 54 VOICEMAILS FOR THIS CASE.

WE HAVE 45 THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

WE HAVE NINE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.

UM, WHILE WE, UM, APPRECIATE EVERYONE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO, TO LEAVE A VOICEMAIL, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, WE ARE NOT GOING TO PLAY 54 VOICEMAILS, UM, FOR THIS CASE.

WE WILL, UM, ENSURE THAT IN OUR MINUTES, THAT WE, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LEFT THEIR VOICEMAILS AND ALSO, UM, TO WHETHER THEY, UM, OPPOSED IT OR WHETHER THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECTS.

SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS HERE, SO WE WILL, UM, LOOK AT THOSE RIGHT NOW.

OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS SUZANNE SCOTT.

ALL SPEAKERS WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES UNLESS I SAY OTHERWISE.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS SUZANNE SCOTT, AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY BOARD, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION SERVING AS A STEWARD AND ADVOCATE FOR THE PARK AND A VESTED STAKEHOLDER IN THIS PROJECT.

ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE HDRC APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PHASE TWO BRACKENRIDGE PARK IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S VOTER APPROVED 2017 BOND PROJECTS.

IT IS TIME TO BRING MUCH NEEDED VOTER APPROVED IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR BELOVED PARK.

MEMBERS OF THE HDRC HAVE LISTENED CAREFULLY TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO BALANCE THE DIVERSE NEEDS OF ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND ENHANCE THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE PARK.

THE COMMISSION HAS WORKED WITH CITY STAFF AND DESIGN TEAMS TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC CONCERNS REGARDING THE LOCATION AND ACCESSIBILITY OF PICNIC TABLES AND PARKING.

THE CONSERVANCY SUPPORTS THE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THE HDRC HERE TODAY.

AND OUR GOAL AS A CONSERVANCY IS TO CREATE A MORE ACCESSIBLE, ECOLOGICALLY HEALTHY AND ENJOYABLE PARK FOR ALL SAN ANTONIANS.

AND WE SEE THESE CRITICALLY NEEDED INVESTMENTS AS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE OUR SHARED LOVE FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK.

THANK YOU, CHRIS MATRI.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

AND ON, ON BEHALF OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY, WHERE I SERVE AS THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT SUPPORTED ON JANUARY 21ST WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT.

WE SUPPORT IT TODAY ON MARCH 18TH.

UH, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME FACTS AND FIGURES.

JANUARY 11TH, 2017 IS WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THESE FUNDS TO DO THIS PROJECT.

THOSE FUNDS NUMBERED IN $9,676,751 IN 2017.

ON TOP OF THAT, BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY HAS ADDED ANOTHER FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO SUPPORT PHASE TWO.

YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE RATE OF INTEREST INFLATION SINCE 2017, THAT ADDS UP TO 32.69% OF INFLATION COSTS SINCE THIS PROJECT WAS FUNDED.

THAT ADDS SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE TO CONTINUE TO FUNDRAISE, TO CONTINUE TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION.

ALSO IN THIS SITE IS 12 DIFFERENT HISTORIC ELEMENTS WITHIN THE PARK.

12 TWO IS THE NUMBER OF PARKS YOU HAVE IN SAN ANTONIO THAT HAVE REGISTRATION WITH THE NATIONAL HISTORIC OF REGISTRY.

BRACKENRIDGE IS ONE OF THOSE.

TODAY IS MARCH 18TH.

THAT'S 3,353 DAYS SINCE THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED.

YET THERE'S BEEN ZERO WORK DONE ON THAT SITE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR REVIEW, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT AND AVAILABILITY TO MAKE THESE

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FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES TO THIS PARK.

IT WILL MAKE THIS PARK STAND OUT.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

AND PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

ALICIA GARLOCK.

MS. GARLOCK WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES.

UM, MATILDA TORRES AND TONY MOUNT HAVE YIELDED YOUR TIME.

NO HONOR FOR HER, MY MOTHER TO COME UP THERE IF SHE WANTS TO BE THERE WITH ME.

SHE'S A HANDICAPPED EVERY WEEK.

BEFORE I EVEN START, AN ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE, PLEASE MAY AT THREE MINUTES YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

SHE WAS STUCK IN TRAFFIC.

STARTED IN A SECOND, BUT THE ATTORNEY HAS THAT QUESTION.

UH, ELLEN PATTERSON.

OH, YEAH.

I WASN'T ABLE TO GET HERE BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC ON TIME.

I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD BE ADDED TO THE PLEASE.

ELLEN, MA'AM, YOU CAN SIGN IN OVER HERE WITH ME.

OVER HERE.

THANK, THANK YOU.

UH, MY NAME IS ALICIA GARLOCK.

I AM IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PLANS AS A WHOLE.

I'M ASKING YOU THAT YOU DELAY THE START OF THIS PROJECT UNTIL THE PLAYGROUND ALSO SOLICITED TO PROJECT PRIVATE DONORS BY THE CONSERVANCY IS COMPLETED.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO LARGE AREAS OF THE PARK SHUT DOWN FROM PEOPLE LIKE ME, MY MOTHER, THE REGULAR PEOPLE THAT USE IT EVERY DAY.

VIDEO.

PLACE IS NOT A SYNONYM FOR LOCATION.

PLACE IS A LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN CLAIMED BY FEELINGS ACCORDING TO DONOVAN.

RIMA PRESERVATION HAS LOTS OF VALUES.

AESTHETIC, SOCIAL, CULTURAL, ENVIRONMENTAL, EDUCATIONAL, ASSOCIATIVE A WHOLE RANGE OF VALUES.

CARS HAVE BEEN DRIVING THROUGH THE PARK SINCE THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, BUT THEY NEED A PLACE TO TURN AROUND AND A PLACE TO PARK.

THE PARKING SPACES THEY WANT TO REMOVE ARE IN USE DAILY.

WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK ONCE THESE SPACES ARE REMOVED AND ALL THE PARKING SPACES ARE TAKEN UP, NO PARKING WHATSOEVER, AND THEY WANNA REDUCE THE PARKING AND THEY WANNA BUILD A PLAY SCAPE.

WHAT? THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A LOT OF THESE PARKING SPACES HERE ON THE END, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE LIKE A TURNAROUND ROAD.

AND HE'S TRYING TO BACK OUT BECAUSE HE CAN'T EVEN, LET'S SEE HOW HE'S GONNA DO THAT, BECAUSE THEY EVEN WANT TO TAKE OFF THE TURNAROUND, YOU KNOW? AND LOOK WHAT HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW.

YOU TELLING DUDE OR WHAT? PARKING SPACE IS AWAY? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT JAMAL SAID.

THEY HAVE TO COME THIS WAY.

IF THEY WANT TO USE THE PARK, THEY NEED TO COME OVER HERE.

ALL PARKING SPACES ARE TAKEN NAP, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE.

BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE AT THE PARK.

THEY ARE AT THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO.

UH, YOU'RE GOING TO STOP AND THEN I'M GONNA GET OFF .

I'M NOT GONNA JUMP OUT.

SO YOU HAD TO ROLL YOUR WAGON OVER HERE FROM WAY FAR OVER THERE.

AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GO TO THE BASEBALL FIELD? YES, BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING.

YEAH, I KNOW.

IT TOOK ME ABOUT 20 MINUTES TO FIND ONE.

OH, WOW.

THAT'S SAD.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF PARKING SPACES HERE IN THE PARK, AND WE'RE LIKE TRYING TO SAY LIKE, HEY, THERE IS NO PARKING AS IT IS.

WHY ARE YOU GONNA TAKE OUT MORE PARKING SPACES? YOU'RE MAKING PEOPLE WALK WITH THEIR STUFF.

WE PARKING SPACES.

WE NEED TO, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THE CITY.

DID YOU PARK OVER HERE? WHERE? FOR THE ZOO.

FOR THE ZOO.

ARE YOU GUYS GONNA THE ZOO, IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING OVER THERE.

I DIDN'T EVEN TRY.

IT'S ON BLACK.

SO THERE'S LIMITED PARKING TODAY ON A SATURDAY.

A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING IN THE PARK THOUGH, ARE GOING TO THE ZOO.

PARKING SPACES ARE ALL TAKEN.

IT'S NOT FOR PEOPLE IN THE PARK.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO THE ZOO.

THERE'S NO PARKING, NOT ENOUGH.

PARKING TODAY WITH DISABILITIES ACT HELPS MAKE SURE PUBLIC SPACES LIKE PARKS ARE DESIGNED SO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES

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CAN ENJOY THEM.

REMOVING A DA PICNIC AREAS WILL IMPACT THOSE WITH DISABILITIES.

TOUR LANDSCAPE IS A GEOGRAPHIC AREA, INCLUDING BOTH CULTURAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES SHAPED OR MODIFIED AND INFLUENCED BY HUMAN ACTIVITY, INTERACTION AND TRADITIONS OVER TIME.

EASTER IN THE PARK IS A CULTURAL TRADITION.

THE PARK IS AN ETHNOGRAPHIC LANDSCAPE THAT HOLDS SPIRITUAL AND CULTURAL VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SADANA FAMILY HAS GATHERED IN THE PARK FOR 70 PLUS YEARS.

FOR EASTER, IT'S OUR PARK.

WE'RE HERE AT BRACKRIDGE PARK EASTER WEEKEND, AND WE'RE HERE WITH THE FAMILY.

AND HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN COMING HERE? AROUND 69 YEARS.

69 YEARS.

THEY HAVE PICTURES HERE.

THEIR FAMILY'S BEEN COMING HERE TO BRACKRIDGE PARK.

2017 BOND PROJECT LISTED IMPROVEMENTS IN REHABILITATION, WHICH MAY INCLUDE THE HISTORIC RIVER WALL, RESTROOMS, TRAILS, AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES.

DOES THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY FIT IN? THE PLAN INCLUDES 16 ELEMENTS SOLICITED TO PRIVATE DONORS BY THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY.

EMAILS SENT TO CITY STAFF BY THE CONSERVANCY REQUESTED ASSURANCES THAT THE PUBLIC PROCESS FOR PHASE TWO WOULD NOT JEOPARDIZE THE ELEMENTS OF DESIGNS ON WHICH THE BPC HAS ALREADY SOLICITED AND RECEIVED PRIVATE DONATIONS.

OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN GR.

UM, MR. GRILL WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

DEBORAH POE YIELDED HER TIME.

DISCOVERY YET INTO EMAILS, UM, INTO THE DESIGN PROCESS AND WHAT WAS ASKED OF THE DESIGN FIRM.

JOHN GRALE.

I REPRESENT GARY PEREZ AND MATO DE TORRES IN THE PEREZ VERSUS CITY OF SAN ANTONIO LITIGATION.

I WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE POINTS JUST ABOUT TREES 1 0 6 AND 1 41, WHICH WERE A POINT OF DISCUSSION THE LAST TIME THIS CAME UP.

AND I BELIEVE THOSE WERE DISCUSSED ON THE SECOND TO LAST PAGE OF THE PDF THAT WAS POSTED.

IT WAS 29 OF THE PDF.

UM, SO I'M GONNA RECOMMEND THAT Y'ALL EITHER STIPULATE THAT THOSE NOT BE REMOVED, WHICH WOULD JUST BE REITERATING SOME OF THE EARLIER STIPULATIONS, OR YOU JUST DENY THE ASPECT OF TODAY'S PERMIT RELATED TO THOSE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT TREE 1 41, WHICH IS DOWN BY THE RIVER, THAT IS A PART OF THE CITY'S PERMIT TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS.

THE ARMY CORPS IS CURRENTLY CONSULTING WITH THE COMANCHE NATION, WHO IS HERE IN THE LAST MEETING TO OBJECT TO THIS.

SO THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THE ARMY CORPS AND THE COMANCHE NATION REGARDING THAT SPECIFIC TREE, AS WELL AS FIVE OTHERS ON THE RIVER LINE.

SO I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO APPROVE ANY PLANS FOR THAT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT COMES BACK FROM THE ARMY CORPS.

AND THEN IF YOU HAVE THE PDF, I'D REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE TREE 1 0 6, WHICH IS HIGHER UP THE BANK.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S NOTED REASON FOR REMOVAL IMPACTING CULTURAL RESOURCE.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGER PICTURE THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS WE OUGHT TO REMEMBER LIKE WHAT WAS LAMBERT BEACH? IT WAS A WHITES ONLY BEACH.

YOU KNOW, WHO IN THIS ROOM WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE LAMBERT BEACH WHEN IT EXISTED AS A SWIMMING BEACH? AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HONOR THAT HISTORY, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE CULTURAL RESOURCES HERE.

AND TO SAY THAT THAT TREE IS IMPACTING THE CULTURAL RESOURCE IGNORES THAT TO THE NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH, TO THE COMANCHE NATION, AND TO A LOT OF INDIGENOUS SAN ANTONIANS AND TEXANS.

THOSE TREES ARE A CULTURAL RESOURCE.

THOSE TREES ARE A RELIGIOUS RESOURCE.

THOSE TREES ARE PART OF RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES.

AND IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THAT PICTURE, WHICH IS ON THE SECOND TO LAST PAGE OF THE PDF, IT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE TO ME IF YOU LOOK AT THAT TREE, THAT THERE IS NOT A, THAT TREE IS LIKE 10 FEET AWAY FROM A BUILDING.

I JUST THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT IF YOU TOLD SW THE DESIGN FIRM, LIKE FIND A WAY TO SAVE THIS TREE, I KNOW THAT THEY COULD DO IT.

UM, AND THEN YOU HEARD ABOUT THE COST AND THE TIME OF THIS PROJECT.

I THINK I WAS HERE IN 2023 SAYING THAT IF YOU WOULD CHOOSE A DESIGN THAT WOULD PRESERVE THESE RELIGIOUS TREES AND PRESERVE THE LAMBERT BEACH WALLS, YOU WOULD SAVE TIME AND MONEY.

AND I THINK THAT MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT'S BEEN COMPLETELY VINDICATED.

YOU KNOW, IN ECONOMICS YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE SUNK COST FALLACY.

YOU DON'T WANNA THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.

UM, YOU KNOW, MY MOM ALSO USED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AS FAR AS THE LITIGATION, UH, THAT'S RETURNING TO THE DISTRICT COURT IN THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS.

SO WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED

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SO IT'S GONNA TAKE MORE TIME, IT'S GONNA TAKE MORE MONEY.

AND AS TO THE BOND FUNDS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FOR RESTORATION OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK GENERALLY.

OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T FOR THIS SPECIFIC DESIGN, WHICH WAS NOT EVEN IN EXISTENCE AT THE TIME OF THE BOND PROJECT.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF HAVE LIKE THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO'S DEMOCRATIC IMPRIMATUR ON THIS.

SO BEING SPECIFIC, I JUST WANT YOU TO PRESERVE TREES 1 0 6 AND 1 41 TODAY.

UH, AND TO REMEMBER THAT THE CULTURAL RESOURCE OF THAT IS IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT ALL SAN ANTONIANS THAT INCLUDES INDIGENOUS SAN ANTONIANS.

OKAY, IDA AYALA.

UH, MS. AYALA WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES.

OLIVIA ALA IS HERE AND IS YIELDED HER TIME.

I AM HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE CURRENT PLANS FOR PHASE TWO OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECTS.

SPECIFICALLY, I OPPOSE THE REMOVAL OF PICNIC TABLES IN THE PROJECT AREA AS WELL AS REMOVING PARKING SPACES.

UM, VOTERS DID VOTE I'D LEFT TO BEHIND YES, ON PROPOSITION THREE, BUT AS YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN, ALICIA POSTED SOME OF THAT UP THERE.

AND, UM, MR. GRL MENTIONED IT AS WELL.

AND TREES WERE NOT ON PROPOSITION THREE'S VOTER SHEET.

IT WAS VERY GENERAL INFORMATION.

THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT IS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT FORMS THE BASIS FOR THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND RECONCILIATION PLAN FOR THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT.

THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE REPORT STATES, AND IT'S ON PAGE ONE.

AS THIS SYSTEM-BASED TREATMENT IS IMPLEMENTED, THE MANY CURRENT USES AND RITUALS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE PARK AND SAN ANTONIO'S RICH IDENTITY CAN AND SHOULD REMAIN WITH THE CITY AND BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO BY REMOVING PICNIC TABLES IN PARKING SPACE IS ABSOLUTELY CONTRARY TO THIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, BY A REPORT THAT THEY PAID FOR.

PHASE TWO ENCOMPASSES SOME OF THE MOST HEAVILY USED PICNIC AREAS IN THE PARK, INCLUDING THE INFAMOUS EASTER CAMPING RITUAL, WHERE THE CERNA FAMILY HAS SPENT 70 YEARS CAMPING ALONG THE ASSIA.

IN ADDITION, THE CURRENT PLANS FOR THE PHASE TWO PROJECT WILL DENY ACCESS TO THE ALREADY MARGINALIZED POPULATION OF PEOPLE WHO ENJOY THE NATURAL AND INVITING ENVIRONMENT OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK.

EVEN THE CITY IS AWARE OF THIS POINT ON PAGE TWO IN A GRANT REQUEST FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, THE CITY STATES, AS THIS IS THE ONLY NATURAL RESOURCE EXPERIENCE FOR MANY UNDERPRIVILEGED CHILDREN AND ADULTS CLOSING THE AREA WITH DEPRIVED USERS OF THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY.

AND THE ACTIVITY WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS FISHING.

HOWEVER, IN OUR CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PICNICKING AND BEING ABLE TO CELEBRATE, UM, FAMILY EVENTS TO REMOVE PICNIC TABLES AT THIS SITE WOULDN'T EFFECT BE CLOSING THE AREA TO THESE SAME PEOPLE.

THE CITY HAS CONSISTENTLY SAID THAT THERE ARE 340 MORE ACRES IN THE PARK.

HOWEVER, THIS AREA IS THE HEART OF THE PARK FOR GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE.

THIS IS A VITAL PICNIC AREA IN THE PARK DUE TO ITS ACCESSIBILITY FOR ELDERLY AND PHYSICALLY CHALLENGED.

THE NEARBY PARKING SPACES ALLOW FOR TRANSPORTING FOOD TO CANOPIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY BRING TO THE PICNIC SITE AND INCLUDES TWO A DA, UM, ONLY TWO A DA PARKING SPACES IN THAT SITE.

REMOVING THIS PICNIC SITE WOULD DRASTICALLY ALTER THE CULTURAL TRADITIONS THAT ARE CELEBRATED HERE AND WOULD CREATE OVERCROWDING.

REMOVING THE PARKING WOULD'VE CREATED OVERCROWDING IN OTHER, UM, AREAS OF THE PARK.

IN THE OHP DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS FOR HDRC, IT STATES AND THERE'S A COPY OF THOSE, AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO INSULT YOU, BUT I PRINTED THEM ALL OUT.

CHANGES WHICH MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE COURSE OF TIME ARE EVIDENCE OF THE HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENT OF A BUILDING STRUCTURE OBJECT OR SITE IN THIS CASE AND ITS ENVIRONMENT.

THESE CHANGES MAY HAVE ACQUIRED SIGNIFICANCE IN THEIR OWN RIGHT AND THIS SIGNIFICANCE SHALL BE RECOGNIZED AND RESPECTED.

THAT SIGNIFICANCE IS A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE, WHICH IS EXPLAINED IN THE CULTURAL REPORT AS A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE IS THE CREATION OF THE WOMEN, MEN AND CHILDREN WHO LIVE THEIR LIVES WITHIN THAT LANDSCAPE.

OKAY, HISTORICALLY, NOT THE FUTURE.

HOPE SECTION 35 DASH 6 4 1.

DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS FOR HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION'S.

RECOMMENDATION STATES CONSTRUCTION ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, AND I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT TO YOU.

THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK.

BPC MANAGEMENT AND FUNDING AGREEMENT.

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NOT CHANGE OWNERSHIP.

NOT A CITY MANAGER, STAFF, NOT A MAYOR.

THE CITY OWNS THE PARK.

WE ARE THE CITY.

WE FUNDED IT THROUGH THE BONDS.

AND THE ONLY STIPULATIONS I'M ASKING IS THAT YOU MAINTAIN THE PARKING SPACES AND THE PICNIC TABLES.

UM, SUSAN STRONG, MS. STRONG WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

STEVEN COOK HAS YIELDED HIS TIME.

AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE A POWERPOINT TOO.

UM, I JUST WANNA START OUT BY SAYING THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE CONSIDERATION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THIS PROJECT AND ALSO THE RESTORATION OF SOME OF THE PICNIC TABLES.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE WA THE WALKTHROUGH THAT YOU ALLOWED US TO ATTEND AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN.

BUT I DO THINK THAT WE STILL COULD GET TO A BETTER PLAN IN A TIMELY WAY.

UM, I DO WANNA ALSO, UM, EXPRESS MY DISSATISFACTION AT NOT HEARING THE VOICEMAILS.

UM, I, I WANT YOU TO KNOW, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE THE NUMBER COUNT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT BECAUSE, UM, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY, I'M ON THEIR MAILING LIST, THEY SENT OUT AN EMAIL SOLICITING CALLERS TO CALL IN AND SUPPORT.

AND THEY DID NOT DESCRIBE THE PROJECT IN THAT EMAIL.

THEY GAVE SCRIPTS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CALL IN AND EXPRESS THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.

BUT NOWHERE DID IT DESCRIBE WHAT THE PROJECT WAS.

SO I THINK YOU REALLY HAVE TO TAKE THOSE NUMBERS, NUMBERS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU DIDN'T GET TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH IT.

UM, SO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OR YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS? UM, SO I WANNA JUST REMIND YOU, UM, THAT THE ORIGINAL STIPULATION CONCERNING THE TWO TREES THAT MR. GRL SPOKE ABOUT, UM, DID SAY THAT NO WORK, WORK WOULD, UH, OCCUR UNTIL SECTION 1 0 6 PROCESS IS COMPLETE.

YOU HEARD FROM MR. GRL THAT THAT'S A LONG WAY FROM BEING COMPLETE.

NEXT SLIDE.

OH, SORRY.

UM, SO THESE ARE THE TWO TREES IN QUESTION ON THE LEFT, THE TWIN TRUNK, CYPRUS, AND THE CYPRESS UP ABOVE.

I WILL SAY THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO TREES THAT WILL BE LEFT IN THE VIEW SCAPE OF THE PUMP HOUSE FROM THIS SIDE OF THE PUMP HOUSE.

SO IF YOU AGREE TO CUT THOSE TWO TREE DOWN, TWO TREES DOWN, WE WILL JUST HAVE A BARREN, YOU KNOW, TREELESS LANDSCAPE THERE.

UM, AND ALL OF THIS IS BEING DONE.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE WALKTHROUGH IS BECAUSE THE UTILITY VAULT IS GOING TO GO WHERE THAT, UM, THAT TREE UP ABOVE IS, THAT'S THE SIZE OF A MANHOLE COVER.

SURELY SOMEWHERE IN THAT ENORMOUS PLAZA OR AROUND IT, WE COULD FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO PUT SOMETHING THE SIZE OF A MANHOLE COVER, UM, RATHER THAN RIGHT WHERE THAT ONE CYPRESS TREE IS.

AND I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THESE, THIS IS WHAT THE, THE PARK LOOKED LIKE BACK WHEN.

SO ON THE LEFT YOU SEE THE PARK BEFORE THE WALLS WERE BUILT.

ALL TREES, ALL TREES AFTER THE WALLS WERE BUILT.

THAT'S 1925 ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

AND AGAIN, A HEAVILY WOODED LANDSCAPE.

AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TO TAKE OUT IN PHASE ONE, BUT ALSO IN PHASE TWO WITH THOSE TWO CYPRESSES, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THOSE TREES THAT ARE LEFT.

SO IT'LL LOOK NOTHING LIKE THIS.

UM, LASTLY I WANNA TALK ABOUT, I CAN'T SEE THE TIMER ANYMORE.

THERE WE GO.

I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE PICNIC TABLES.

I WENT OUT AND MEASURED.

UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT Y'ALL WANNA RESTORE PICNIC TABLES.

I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER MARGINALIZING THEM NEXT TO THE UGLY ZOO FENCE BETWEEN A BIKE PATH THAT'S GOING TO BE A 10 FOOT CONCRETE PATH WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE ZIPPING BY AND YOU GOT A BIKE PATH ON ONE SIDE AND A FENCE ON THE OTHER.

AND IT'S QUITE MARGINALIZED AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DANGEROUS.

I THINK THIS IS NOT, DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE TO SCALE.

I WENT OUT AND MEASURED, UM, ON THE LEFT.

I MEASURED THAT AS 30 FEET.

THE BIKE PATH IS 10 FEET.

UM, YOU GOT 27 FEET DOWN THERE, SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S REALLY NOT TO SCALE.

UM, THESE PICNIC PADS, THE SMALLER ONES ARE 16 FEET WIDE DIAMETER.

THE LARGER ONES ARE 22 IN DIAMETER.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT THOSE DOWN, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO AND DO A MOCKUP AND MAKE SURE THOSE PICNIC TABLES ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO FIT AND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS EITHER BEING RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS UGLY FENCE, WHICH IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE PARK.

BUT THAT'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER COMMENT.

UM, BUT, UH, BETWEEN THAT FENCE AND THE BIKE PATH, AND AS YOU KNOW, PICNIC PEOPLE MOVE AROUND ON PICNIC PADS.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE STEPPING INTO THE PATH OF BIKES, PETS, CHILDREN, CYCLISTS.

IT'S, IT COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS THERE.

SO MA'AM, I'M MA'AM I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

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JUST ONE MORE THING.

UM, I THINK YOU'RE STILL REMOVING THE THREE REALLY NICE, UM, TABLES.

AND THOSE ARE THE ONE THING FROM THE TWO THOUSANDS BOND THAT ACTUALLY WORKED.

YOU RE WATERED THE LILY POND BEFORE YOU RE WATERED THE ASA BEFORE THERE'S LAMPPOSTS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT THAT ARE ALL BROKEN.

THE GRAND STAIRCASE HAS TO BE REDONE.

EVERYTHING FROM 20 YEARS AGO IS GONE EXCEPT FOR THESE TABLES, WHICH ARE INCREDIBLY POPULAR.

SO I WOULD STILL URGE YOU TO RETAIN THOSE TABLES THAT WE ALL PAID FOR 20 YEARS AGO.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

AND ELLEN PATTERSON.

MY NAME IS ELLEN PATTERSON.

I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I'M ALSO A CANCER SURVIVOR.

AND I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PARK FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEBODY WHO HAS SUFFERED CANCER AND HAD WENT THERE TO HEAL.

UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE TREES.

ONE MATURE OAK TREE PRODUCES 3,500 CUBIC FEET OF OXYGEN EVERY YEAR, WHICH IS ABOUT HALF THE YEARLY OXYGEN REQUIREMENT FOR ONE ADULT HUMAN.

A PERSON NEEDS 19 CUBIC FEET OF OXYGEN EVERY DAY TO BREATHE AND LIVE.

ONE MATURE OAK TREE SEQUESTERS BETWEEN 22 AND 25 KILOGRAMS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EVERY YEAR, THUS CONTRIBUTING SUBSTANTIALLY TO CLIMATE CHANGE MITIGATION.

THE SHADE OF A MATURE OAK TREE REDUCES THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE IN ITS SHADE UNDER ITS CANOPY BY AS MUCH AS 25 DEGREES.

THAT MEANS THAT ON A 90 DEGREE DAY, THE UNDER THE TREE, IT COULD BE 65 DEGREES.

WITH A WIND BLOWING, A TYPICAL MATURE OAK TREE CAN PRODUCE BETWEEN 1000 TO 17,000 SQUARE FEET OF SHADE.

ADDITIONALLY, LARGE TREES CAN TRANSPIRE.

THAT MEANS WHEN THEY TURN, THEY PRODUCE, THEY USE WATER VAPOR.

AROUND 40,000 GALLONS OF WATER VAPOR ANNUALLY CONTRIBUTE, CONTRIBUTING TO THIS COOLING EFFECT.

THIS NATURAL PROCESS HELPS LOWER SURROUNDING AIR TEMPERATURES, MAKING SHADED AREAS MUCH MORE PLEASANT.

DURING HOT WEATHER, A MATURE OAK TREE CAN HOLD APPROXIMATELY 1000 TO 2000 POUNDS OF SOIL IN PLACE WITH ITS ROOTS.

THIS CAPACITY VARIES BASED ON THE TREE SIZE, ROOT SYSTEM, AND SOIL CONDITIONS.

AND OF COURSE, IT PROVIDES A, AN OAK TREE, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN PROVIDE, UM, WATERFOWL NESTING LOCATIONS.

SO WHEN THERE'S A CHOICE, LET'S NURTURE NOT ANNIHILATE THE TREES.

LET'S FIND REASONS TO KEEP THESE TREES AND HONOR THEM NOT TO CUT THEM DOWN.

AND WE'RE KEEPING TRACK.

WE'RE GONNA START CATALOGING WHICH TREES ARE BEING CUT, AND, UM, WE'LL OBJECT WHEN IT STARTS TO GET REALLY BAD.

UM, AND IT ALREADY HAS, THERE'S TREES BEEN CUT AND THEY'VE BEEN SAYING IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'RE DISEASED.

WE WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN TAKING CARE OF THEM PROPERLY.

THESE TREES SHOULD MA'AM BE.

MA'AM, I'M ASK YOU THE FOCUS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UM, THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

UM, WE WILL START NOW WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

I'M GONNA START WITH OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONER MOOKA.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO RESPONSE.

COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NOT AT THIS TIME.

UM, YES SIR.

I, I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

UH, REGARDING A STAFF, UH, REGARDING LITIGATION AND SO FORTH, CAN YOU GUIDE US, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT PROCESS OR WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS WE TRY TO MAKE A DECISION ON MOVING AHEAD ON THIS PROJECT? I DUNNO WHICH MICROPHONE TO USE.

MY NAME IS NATALIE WILSON.

I'M OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IN THE PEREZ LITIGATION PHASE TWO IS NOT PART OF THE LITIGATION.

ONLY PHASE ONE IS.

SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR HELP ? IT HELPS.

THAT CONCLUDES YOUR QUESTION, SIR.

YES, SIR.

THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CHAR.

SO, UH, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION THAT WAS CONVEYED TO US.

SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

WHO WOULD, WHO CAN I DIRECT THOSE TO ON THE DESIGN TEAM OR THE MANAGEMENT TEAM? UM, START WITH ME.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES, I DO.

UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS ON A COUPLE OF TOPICS.

GIVEN ENOUGH TIME, PARKING SPACES, THE ADDED PARKING SPACES,

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SURE.

IT APPEARS IN THE LATE DOCUMENTS IN DOC IN PAGE NUMBER 17, WHERE WE SEE A RENDERING OF THE AREA IN THE INSERTION OF THE TWO, UH, A DA SITE, UH, SPACES.

AND THERE IS THE COMMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE A COUPLE OF SHADE TREES BECAUSE OF THE INCLUSION OF THESE SPACES.

ARE THESE TWO TREES, THE LIVE OAK TREES THAT ARE CURRENTLY, UM, IN FRONT OF THE DONKEY BARN? NO, THE, THE TWO TREES THAT I SAID WE WOULD LOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD'VE PUT THERE.

THEY WERE, THEY WERE NEW TREES, PROPOSED TREES.

SO WE HAD, WE HAD THE TREES PRESERVED.

THAT WAS ONE.

YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT WHOLE BREAKDOWN OF TREES PRESERVE VERSUS TREES REMOVED.

TREES, SOME LOCATED, WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE WAS BACK IN JANUARY WE HAD SAID WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE IN ADDITION TO THE PRESERVE X NUMBER, THERE WAS GONNA BE A COUPLE NEW TREES THERE.

GOT IT.

THAT'S THE DELTA.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, RENDERED MM-HMM.

QUICKLY, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, ANYWAY, SO GOOD, GOOD.

I'D HATE TO HAVE TO LOSE TREES TO PARK.

YEAH, WE DIDN'T, UH, LET ME BE CLEAR.

WE DIDN'T PUT THE SPACES THERE TO CUT DOWN MORE TREES.

GREAT.

IT WAS JUST, THERE WAS A LITTLE GIVE AND TAKE THERE.

YEP.

AND WE AGREED THAT THE PARKING WAS A, I MEAN, IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT ONCE WE WERE OUT THERE WALKING IT AGAIN WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, WE, WE FELT THAT THERE HAD TO BE SOME, AT LEAST SOME A DA SPOTS IN THAT AREA.

PERFECT.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS THEN ALSO ABOUT THE, UM, PICNIC STATIONS, UM, BENCHES AND WHATEVER ELSE, OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT COMES WITH IT, INCLUDING A PAD.

FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T SEE IT IN THE CDS YET, BUT I SEE IT IN THE RENDERING.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DID GET INTO THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO ONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS MAKES A GOOD POINT.

UM, AND THAT IS THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN SQUISHED UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, MIGHT YOU, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN, MIGHT YOU CONSIDER SHIFTING THE SPIRIT PATH SOUTHWARD JUST A LITTLE BIT AS YOU ARE, UM, ENSURING SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR THOSE PARKING, UH, FOR THE PICNIC PATHS? YEAH, AND I THINK, YEAH, TO CLARIFY THE ANSWER IS YES.

UM, WE'VE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW AS THIS IS OUR THOUGHT PROCESS BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND THE WALKTHROUGHS, WE WILL HAVE TO DESIGN THE DETAILS OF THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE FORMAL PERMITTING PROCESS.

CERTAINLY AFTER TODAY, THIS IS ONE STEP OF THE PROCESS, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH FULL PERMITTING, WE ALL THE CDS, ALL THE DESIGN DETAILS, UM, AND WILL BE, WILL BE PRESENTED IN THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET.

UH, BASED ON WHAT YOUR APPROVAL IS TODAY OR COMMENTS TODAY, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE OUR OHP TEAM AND OUR PERMIT TEAM WOULD, WOULD MAKE SURE ALL OF THAT IS ABLE TO BE, UH, NOT SQUISHED AND, AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF THING.

YEAH, SURE.

THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR SAFETY, FOR ENJOYMENT.

WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CLEAR, I'M SORRY.

DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF.

WE ARE NOT PROPOSING AN UNSAFE CONDITION.

THAT'S REALLY A SCHEMATIC LOCATION OF WHERE THEY WILL BE.

THERE WILL BE ENOUGH SPACE SO THAT THE, THE THE, UM, THE BIKE PATH DOES NOT LIKE CROSS THE PICNIC AREA OR WHAT WE DEFINE AS THE PICNIC AREA.

UH, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO JUST SAY THERE'S A PICNIC TABLE AT THAT ORANGE DOT.

THERE'S, THERE'S SPACE FOR IT AND IT WILL BE DESIGNED IN A SAFE MANNER.

SO THAT PATH MAY SHIFT A LITTLE BIT DEPENDING ON YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE, WE WANT TO TAKE WHAT WE GET FROM YOU ALL TODAY.

HOPEFULLY IT'S AN APPROVAL APPROVAL, RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, TO FINALIZE THOSE LAST DRAWINGS, UH, WITH THOSE ELEMENTS SO THAT WE CAN PROPOSE IT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.

AND I DO HAVE ONE OTHER TOPIC, BUT I'LL, REGARDING TREE NUMBER 1 0 6, BUT I'LL LET MY CO COLLEAGUES GO FIRST.

UH, FIRST FOR THE, THE CITY'S, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL.

UM, THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HEARD REGARDING 1 0 6 AND 1 41 TREES, UH, HOW, HOW DOES THE CITY SEE THOSE TREES WITH RESPECT TO PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO, UH, PARTICULARLY THAT, UH, THAT THEY'RE EVEN IN DISCUSSION? NATALIE, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? YEAH, I, YEAH.

'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY PART OF TODAY'S REQUEST.

AND SO THOSE TREES WERE INCLUDED IN PHASE ONE SCOPE THAT ALREADY CAME TO HDRC.

AND SO AGAIN, AS WAS MENTIONED BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, WE DON'T HAVE FULL ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS PERMITS FOR THAT PROJECT YET.

AND SO THOSE TREES WON'T BE REMOVED UNTIL WE HAVE THE PERMITS THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE THEM.

AND SO YOU'RE NOT BY ACTION TODAY, SOMEHOW OVER SUPERSEDING THE PHASE ONE APPROVAL.

IT'S A SEPARATE REVIEW.

WHAT WOULD IT, WOULD IT ANY WAY BE INAPPROPRIATE OR, OR UNSANCTIONED IF THERE WAS, UM, STIPULATION REGARDING THOSE TWO TREES? IT'S REALLY OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE.

YEAH, NO, NO, BUT THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION, BUT YEAH.

BUT THEY'RE NOT A PART OF WHAT WE'RE WAS BEFORE TODAY.

THAT'S IN ANOTHER PHASE.

WE'RE FOCUSING ON PHASE TWO AND THOSE TREES ARE NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR THING.

UH, RESPONSE THAN I AM TO WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH.

BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR LEGAL BECAUSE I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE LEGAL,

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YEAH, I I HEAR YOU.

I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT TO IT, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY, BUT FOR RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY I WAS GONNA ASK LEGAL COUNSEL THIS FOLLOW UP, BUT COREY, UH, ANSWERED INSTEAD OF LEGAL COUNSEL.

WELL, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF THREE LAYERS, RIGHT? THERE'S, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE, UNDER THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL OTHER REQUIRED PERMITTING, INCLUDING THE USE CASE PERMIT, HAS TO, UM, BE IN PLACE BEFORE THEY'RE REMOVED.

SO THAT'S, I THINK THE STIPULATION THAT YOU WERE MAYBE ASKING FOR IS, WAS ALREADY PART OF THE PHASE ONE COA, UM, THE, THE 1 0 6 PERMITTING PROCESS IS ONGOING.

UM, AND THE CORE CAN MAKE ITS DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THOSE TREES CAN BE REMOVED.

AND THEN THERE IS POTENTIALLY THE ADDITIONAL LAYER OF THE LITIGATION IN WHICH THE DISTRICT COURT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, WHICH WE DON'T THINK IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, BUT COULD POTENTIALLY SAY, I DON'T CARE THAT THE HDRC SAID IT WAS OKAY.

I DON'T CARE THAT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAYS IT'S OKAY.

IT VIOLATES THE PLAINTIFF'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

YOU'RE NOT, YOU, YOU HAVE TO REDESIGN AROUND THOSE TREES.

OR THEY COULD SAY IT, UH, IT IMPACTS THEIR RELIGIOUS RIGHTS, BUT YOU'VE MET THE CONSTITUTIONAL STANDARDS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S Y'ALL'S PART OF PROTECTING THOSE TWO PARTICULAR TREES, UM, HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IN THE STIPULATIONS YOU PUT IN THE COA FOR PHASE ONE.

BUT, BUT WOULD THAT MEAN THERE IS A PRO, THERE WOULD BE A PROHIBITION FROM US CONSIDERING THERE'S THE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, THE OTHER REQUIRED PERMITS BE OBTAINED BEFORE THOSE TREES ARE REMOVED.

BUT WOULD THERE BE A PROHIBITION WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A MOTION HERE? RIGHT.

JUST PLACE AN, UH, A A STIPULATION, UH, DEEMING DEEMING THE, SO WE HEAR THE CONCERN, BUT THERE'S NO ACTION THAT IS ABLE TO BE MADE ON SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE.

UM, YOU GUYS REVIEW RESIDENTIAL CASES A LOT.

IT WOULD BE ASKING THEM TO BUILD A SHED THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR.

AND SO YOU, WE CANNOT STIPULATE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BEING REQUESTED TODAY.

COREY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LITTLE CLOSER TO WHAT I'M ASKING.

I APPRECIATE IT.

SIDE OF SOUTHERN PLAN SIDE OF THE AA, AND CERTAINLY ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, UM, WHERE SOME BENCHES ARE CURRENTLY.

SO YES, IT WOULD BE PROCEDURALLY IMPROPER TO, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING TO PUT THE STIPULATION IN PHASE TWO THAT WOULD AFFECT A PHASE ONE ACTION.

AND I HAVE A FURTHER QUESTION FOR, UH, UM, I GUESS MR. MR. UH, MR. SHANNON SHANNON, MR. SHANNON, SIR, ON ON THE, THE, THE, WE DID THE WALK AROUND AND, AND IT, IT WAS VERY, VERY, UH, IN ENLIGHTENING, UH, VISIT.

UH, IT APPEARS THAT MUCH OF THE, OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND MUCH OF THE CITY'S DESIGN WORK IS, IS, UH, REALLY FAR REACHING, UH, OR, OR PROGRESSIVE, UH, UH, THOUGHTFULNESS IN SO MUCH OF IT.

NOW, THERE ARE SOME STICKING POINTS THAT, THINGS THAT I THINK WE WENT AROUND IN CIRCLES ABOUT THAT, THAT, THAT I WOULD HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I DON'T SEE, UM, UM, ANY, ANY OF, OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AROUND THE PARK BENCHES AROUND THE ONE AXIS THAT'S ALONG THE FENCE WALL, UM, AND SOME OF THE LIMITED PARKING POSSIBILITIES THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BREAK, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.

SO I, I WANNA FOCUS IN ON QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PARK BENCHES, FOR INSTANCE.

I, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE, UH, UH, THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF, OF SUPPORTING A MOTION THAT DIDN'T GO ALONG WITH A DRAWING THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO WHERE THE PARK BENCHES WENT.

BUT, BUT I THINK ALSO ONE THAT, THAT IT, UH, ADDRESSES THE, THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THE PARK BENCHES WERE BEING RELEGATED TO AN AREA THAT WAS, OTHER THAN THE AREA THAT THEY ARE.

AND THIS PLAN, UH, ACTUALLY REINFORCES THE IDEA THAT THE PARK BENCHES MOST DEFINITELY ARE NOT WHERE THE PARK BENCHES ARE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE CITY MIGHT CONSIDER, UM, PROVIDING US WITH IN, IN THE FUTURE? UM, IF, DEPENDING ON THE, ON THE WILL OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION HERE THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR A GREATER THOUGHTFULNESS WITH RESPECT TO THE POSITIONING OF PARK BENCHES OR THE INCREASING OF PARK BENCHES, BUT A DRAWING THAT IS SPECIFIC TO PARK BENCH LOCATIONS.

SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, SO I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT AND I'M GONNA ASK MY FRIENDS AT, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

BUT, UM, CERTAINLY LET'S BE CLEAR, THE, THE LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING DO INCLUDE US REMOVING THE EXISTING ONES, UM, AND INSTALLING IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA ON THE SOUTHERN

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SO PUTTING THEM BACK IN GENERALLY THE SAME AREAS OF THE PARK, RIGHT.

UM, CERTAINLY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BUT GENERALLY IN THE SAME AREAS.

WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THAT SPIRIT THAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE WALKTHROUGH, UH, THAT YOU HEARD TODAY IN TERMS OF THOSE ARE CRITICAL PIECES TO ENJOY THIS WHOLE SECTION OF THE PARK.

UM, SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S, I DO WANT TO REITERATE THAT, THAT YOU'RE VERY RIGHT THERE.

UM, THAT, THAT IS, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SLIP SOMETHING BY YOU, BUT THAT'S, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE LOCATIONS, UM, ARE WHERE THEY'LL GENERALLY BE FULLY DESIGNED AFTER TODAY IF WE GOT APPROVAL.

UM, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF CORY, YOU WANNA HELP ME WITH THIS ABOUT YEAH.

IF THEY ASK US FOR A SPECIFIC DESIGN TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO THEM FOR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, MAYBE YOU CAN WALK ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

UH, I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL.

I MEAN, THIS IS VERY NORMAL.

UM, YOU OFTEN DO NOT SEE THINGS AT THEIR FINAL CD DEVELOPMENT PERMIT READY SET PHASE.

AND SO WHAT STAFF DOES ON THE BACKEND AFTER HCRC REVIEW IS ANYTHING THAT COMES IN FOR A PERMIT, WE MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU ALL SAW AND APPROVED.

AND SO IF MIKE SAYS THERE'S GONNA BE 20 PICNIC TABLES, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THERE'S 20 PICNIC TABLES.

I SAID NINE .

BUT, UM, BUT THEN ULTIMATELY, UM, I THINK IF YOU NEED A SPEC FOR A TYPICAL PICNIC TABLE, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD REQUEST TO COME BACK.

UM, IF NOT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UH, DELEGATED TO STAFF TO, AS A STIPULATION TO CONDUCT DURING ITS PERMIT REVIEW.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO, UM, NO, SIR.

I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO HOLD THAT, I MEAN, WE'VE, UM, IN, IN INTEREST FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONER, SO, UM, WHEN WE GET TO DISCUSSION, I'LL, I'LL ALLOW YOU MORE TIME FOR THAT.

UH, MAY ASK THIS ONE SO YOU NO, I GOT NO, SIR.

NO, WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO THE NEXT COMMISSIONER, THEN I'LL GIVE YOU OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE GO INTO OUR DISCUSSION ROUND TO HAVE THAT, BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF TIME ALREADY.

AND, OKAY.

I'M GONNA HOLD YOU TO THAT.

YOU'RE GONNA GIMME AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH MY LIST.

COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, I, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, GIVE, GIVE A MOMENT FOR THAT.

LET ME HEAR, HEAR FROM VICE CHAIR AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

I, SURE, YES.

UM, THIS WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR THE DESIGN TEAM OR FOR MR. SHANNON, BUT, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE LATEST DRAWINGS ARE, UH, ADDRESSING ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE RECENT PAST IN TERMS OF PARKING AND, UH, PICNIC TABLES.

AND, UM, AS YOU STUDY FINAL LOCATIONS AND LAYOUTS, UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO INCLUDE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, PARKING FOR A DA UP AT THAT END OF THE SITE? I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, UH, DRIVEWAYS AND PARKING UP THERE NOW THAT IS SCHEDULED TO BE REMOVED.

AND AS YOU STUDY THIS PARTICULAR AREA, UH, WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO CONSIDER OR LOOK AT POSSIBLY INCREASING THE NUMBER OF SPACES UP THERE? YES, I THINK, I THINK YES.

WE, WE BELIEVE, BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD, THIS IS THE PLAN THAT, THAT WE, WE THINK CAPTURES ALL THAT.

WE THINK THE TWO, TWO SPACES CAPTURE THAT.

UH, BUT BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK, UM, CERTAINLY IF YOU THINK, HEY, WE NEED A LITTLE, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU NEED TO CONSIDER MORE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

UM, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT A DEAL BREAKER.

I THINK WE WERE, WE AGREE JUST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT WALKTHROUGH.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M RELATIVELY NEW TO THIS PROJECT TOO, SO, UH, BUT THAT WAS ENLIGHTENING FOR A LOT OF US, INCLUDING THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ON US, BEEN ON IT FOR A WHILE, IS, YEAH, WE, WE REALLY COULD USE SOME A DA SPOTS THERE.

SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU TELL US TO GO LOOK AT SOME MORE SPACES, AND IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER IN MIND, YOU CAN SHARE THAT WE'LL TRY TO ACCOMMODATE.

BUT, UH, WE BELIEVE THE TWO DOES WHAT WE NEED IT TO DO.

UH, AS WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THAT AREA, ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE SEE AS IMPROVEMENTS.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENTS AS TO WHAT IS CONSTITUTED AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE IT ALL INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR BEST STAB AT IT RIGHT NOW.

BUT IF YOU TELL US TO TRY, TRY FOR SOME MORE, WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT BACK AS PART OF, UM, IF YOU GUYS VOTE THAT WAY OR TELL US OF A STIPULATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, AND BEFORE I, I TAKE YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER, UM, HOLLAND, UM, COMMISSIONER MOOKA, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, I DID NOT.

I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE EFFORT TO INCLUDE MORE PARKING SPACES ON THE NORTH SIDE.

BY THE, BY THE DOKEY BARN.

AND AT THE DRC, THE APPLICANT HAS CLEARLY LISTENED AND MADE THOUGHTFUL ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLAN.

COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, I'LL ENTERTAIN YOUR MOTION, SIR.

YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED IMPROPERLY.

SECOND.

UM, BUT DISCUSSION, GO AHEAD, SIR.

AND I HAVE SOME COMMENTS.

I, I JUST, I WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO RESPONDING TO THE CONCERNS RAISED AT THE LAST HEARING.

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WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMISSION'S PURVIEW, WE'VE SEEN MEANINGFUL ADDITIONS TO SEATING, INCLUDING PICNIC TABLES AND FLEXIBLE OPTIONS, CLARIFICATION AROUND THE TREE IMPACTS AND PRESERVATION IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DRAINAGE TO PROTECT THE PARK'S.

HISTORIC RESOURCES AND CONFIRMATION ELEMENTS LIKE THE KIOSK ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED AND RELOCATED RATHER THAN LOST.

I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT AS WELL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED BY VOTERS IN 2017 AS PART OF THE BOND PROGRAM, AND THAT REFLECTED A BROADER PUBLIC MANDATE TO INVEST IN AND IMPROVE THIS PARK.

THESE ARE REASONABLE GOOD FAITH ACCOMMODATIONS THAT STRENGTHEN THE PROJECT, AND THEY REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED MASTER PLAN AND STAFF'S FINDINGS BASED ON THE RECORD BEFORE US, I BELIEVE THE APPLICATION MEETS THE PRESERVATION STANDARDS AND PREPARED TO SUPPORT THIS AS SUBMITTED.

I ALSO WANNA BE CLEAR THAT I DON'T SEE ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES WITHIN OUR PURVIEW THAT WOULD MATERIALLY BE RESOLVED BY ANY FURTHER DELAY.

THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THE POSITIONS RAISED AND THE REMAINING ISSUES WE'VE HEARD LARGELY FALL OUTSIDE THE COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY.

SO REALLY, ANY DELAY TODAY WOULD NOT MEANINGFULLY CHANGE THE OUTCOME.

IT WOULD JUST KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

DOES THE SECOND ONE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? UH, NO.

I, I APPRECIATE MR. HOLLAND'S COMMENTS.

I KIND OF, UH, GO ALIGNED WITH THAT TOO.

AND I WAS ALSO PRESENT AT THE LAST, UM, IN ONLINE DRC LOOKING AT THE CHANGES AND JUST WE'VE, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, I WENT THROUGH PHASE ONE ON THIS COMMISSION, AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE TAKING THE COMMENTS, AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE TO THAT IF THIS PASSES TODAY, WHEN IT PASSES, THAT YOU'RE STILL GONNA TAKE ON THOSE COMMENTS THAT ARE THE PUBLIC AND US COME WITH TODAY, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING, EVERY STEP.

YOU'VE ALWAYS LISTENED, YOU'VE TAKEN THE COMMENTS SERIOUSLY.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, WE'LL GO NOW IN ORDER.

UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, SIR? I DO NOT.

UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? UH, YES.

UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC, THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE FEEDBACK AND THE PROCESS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT, INTENTIONAL, THOUGHTFUL ABOUT LIKE, UM, ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

AND, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE DELAYED IT THREE YEARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S BEEN SLIGHTLY DELAYED, BUT CIVIC ENGAGEMENT TAKES TIME AND THE PUBLIC DESERVES THAT.

UH, AND SO, UM, I THINK WE'VE MET PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT.

I WILL BE, GO ON THE RECORD THAT I'M STILL OPPOSED TO THE REMOVAL OF HERITAGE TREES, UM, AND AM NOT HAPPY THAT THAT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, RESOLVED IN THIS.

BUT GENERALLY, UM, I CAN SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC IS BEING PUT INTO PLACE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME IS A HOPEFUL MOVE FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER, NO COMMENT RIGHT NOW, SIR.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO.

COMMISSIONER VESO, NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

UH, YEAH.

UM, I DO ALSO WANNA, UM, THANK THE, UH, CITY STAFF FOR PROVIDING A COUPLE MORE WEEKS, BE MORE WEEKS FOR US TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AND TO EXPRESS THE CONCERNS WE HAVE.

AND, UH, YOU'VE RESPONDED, UM, WELL TO THE ONES THAT ARE, UM, OF MOST IMPORTANCE, UM, LESS THE TREES.

I TOO AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES.

I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE ABOUT REMOVING, UH, REALLY ANY OF THE HERITAGE TREES EXCEPT FOR ONE OF 'EM IN THIS SCOPE.

UM, HOWEVER, I, I THINK ADDING THE PICNIC STATIONS IS INCREDIBLY VALUABLE.

WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S PUTTING PEOPLE BACK INTO THAT PLACE.

I WAS CONCERNED WITH THE EARLIER RENDITION OF THE ASYA AND THE LILY POND AND THE, THE, THE MILL RACE AS BEING ALMOST TOO PRECIOUS.

YOU CAN COME THROUGH, YOU CAN WALK THROUGH, YOU CAN SIT FOR A WHILE, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T OCCUPY AND HABITAT THE SPACE NOW WITH PICNIC STATIONS.

YOU CAN DO THAT.

I DO, UH, WANNA REPEAT THAT.

I THINK, UH, THE SPACE ALLOCATED TO THOSE PICNIC STATIONS NEEDS TO BE GREATER AND MORE, UM, MORE ENJOYABLE.

UM, BUT YOU'VE EXPRESSED A, A WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT THAT AND EVEN SHIFT THE SPIRIT PATH JUST A LITTLE BIT WHERE WE NEED TO DO THAT.

UM, A DA ALONG WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FETZER, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT ADDITIONAL A DA SPACES ARE NECESSARY, UM, SIMPLY, UM, FOR ALL OF THE USES AND ALL OF THE FOLKS COMING IN THERE, UM,

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I WOULD BE REMISS TO NOT MENTION THE HISTORIC INTERPRETATION OF THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION OF THE ASSIA.

I MADE THE COMMENT DURING THE DRC WALKTHROUGH, UH, WHAT WE HAVE AT ITEM NUMBER 17, THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE THAT WAS DISCOVERED OVER GOING OVER THE ASSIA.

I LODGE YOUR ATTEMPTS OR YOUR, UM, COMMITMENT TO, UM, RESTORING IT.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL THING.

BUT THE ASIC S STOPS RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

SURE, YOU'LL HAVE SIGNS INTERPRETATION, BUT TO SEE IT STOPPING LOOK A FEW FEET OVER TO THE SOUTH AND SEEING THE RAVINE BEGIN ON THE ZOO PROPERTY, TELLING US THAT THERE IS A WATERWAY, A HISTORIC WATERWAY, AND NOT HAVING ANYTHING EXPRESSING THAT OR ADDRESSING THAT ON THAT LAST PORTION, IT'S KIND OF A, UH, IT IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY THAT MAYBE THE BRECKEN RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY CAN PURSUE.

THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL PROJECT FOR Y'ALL TO PICK UP, UM, JUST TO CREATE SOME CONTINUITY WITH THE HISTORY OF ASSIAS AND HOW THAT AREA IS USED.

UM, THOSE ARE THE BULK OF MY COMMENTS.

THANKS FOR, FOR COMING BACK TO US WITH THIS.

THANK, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MAYMAN.

NO COMMENT.

CHAIR.

UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I, I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION FROM, UH, CITY STAFF WITH RESPECT TO, UH, ITEM SEVEN AND ITEM EIGHT.

UH, WHY IS THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS NEED FOR THESE TWO CATEGORIES THAT IS A SPIRIT WALK AND THAT THE OTHER IS, UM, WHAT, WHAT BIKE? THE BIKE PATH CULTURAL TRAIL THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEIR, THAT, THAT THEIR DESIGN SEEMS TO DO NOTHING MORE THAN REALLY CREATE AN ARBITRARY SEPARATION THAT, THAT HAS A GREATER IMPACT THAN THE PICNIC TABLES DOES.

SO, SO THAT WE'VE USED THIS, THIS PATHWAY TO, TO LEGITIMIZE THE REMOVAL OR, OR THE MOVING OF THESE, OF THE PICNIC TABLES, UM, IT JUST SEEMS VERY ELEMENTARY, MUCH LIKE THE A DA PARKING THAT, THAT THE ACCOMMODATION IS DONE AS FAR AWAY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S SENSIBLE.

AND IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT IT'S MATERIAL TO MAKE OR BREAK A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE MOTION, AND I THINK THE MOTION IS A, A GOOD MOTION, BUT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UM, UM, CRITICAL TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS SOLUTION IN THESE SMALL AREAS COULD GET EVEN BETTER.

SO WHY ARE THESE TWO THINGS SEEM AS THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE REALLY FAR APART, LIKE REALLY DIVORCED FROM EACH OTHER, THE BIKES AND THE, AND THE HIKING, AND WHY IS IT SEEN AS APPROPRIATE TO DIVIDE THIS LITTLE PIECE OF LAND AS APPROPRIATE WHEN THE, WE'RE ALMOST SAYING THAT INCREASING THE BENCHES IN THOSE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

SO IN, IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS COVER AND ALL THE OTHER ARGUMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE.

UM, SO I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ANSWER FOR IT.

UH, BUT DO, DO Y'ALL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR WHY THOSE TWO THINGS? AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I APPRECIATE THE TIME BECAUSE YOU CUT MY QUESTIONING TIME TO THE CITY, WHICH WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THIS KIND OF TIME.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE QUESTIONING TIME.

COMMISSIONER VELA SAYS, I'M NOT, I'M LETTING YOU GO.

JUST, OKAY, WELL, THIS WHAT I JUST HEARD THAT THING.

AND, YOU KNOW, UH, CAN, CAN SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY, MR. LEMME JUST MAKE SURE, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

SO YOU, YOU WANNA KNOW THE, THE, THE INTENT OF SEVEN AND EIGHT, THE, THE HIKE, HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, AND THE CULTURAL TRAIL.

JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

AND I MIGHT ASK, WELL, THAT SEVEN AND EIGHT MEMBERS TO, TO HELP, UH, YES, ANSWER BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE A DESIGN ISSUE.

THE 78 ARE SO, SO, UH, SEEN AS IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE APART FROM EACH OTHER, YET THEY BOTH ENCOURAGE, UM, AN INTERRUPTION OF THE GREEN SPACE.

UH, WHY, WHY IS THAT SEEN AS APPROPRIATE? BUT THE PARK BENCHES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE? WELL, THE PARK BENCHES ARE APPROPRIATE, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON PLAN, SIR.

BUT THEY'RE BY THE FENCE, RIGHT? SORRY.

OH, SURE.

UH, TINDER BAUMGARTNER, UH, WITH SWA, WERE THE DESIGN FIRM, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORK.

THINGS IS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO THEN HAVE A VERY SLOW MOVING TRAIL, YOU WOULD WANNA SEPARATE IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE MOVING SLOWLY, LOOKING AT NATURE, TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT HISTORY.

UH, NO PARKS, B*****S ARE ON THE PLAN, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE THEY ARE APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? RIGHT.

BUT, BUT UP THERE, WHAT ABOUT BETWEEN THE SEIA BETWEEN 17,519 AND, AND SEVEN? OKAY, SO THE, THE WAY THIS, UH, IS SET UP RIGHT NOW, SO THE NUMBER SEVEN IS A BIKE TRAIL.

IT'S HIKE AND BIKE, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE BICYCLES ON IT.

IT'S PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY PEOPLE ARE MOVING, RIGHT? I'M GOING FROM HERE TO THERE.

UH, STANDARD, UH, UM, APPROACH TO THESE KIND OF

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REMEMBER, THERE'S INTERPRETIVE SCIENCE, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, THEY'RE ON NUMBER EIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING SLOW.

THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION FOR BIKES, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT, UM, UH, CIRCULATION SYSTEMS. NUMBER EIGHT, UH, PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE GREEN SPACE BETWEEN SEVEN AND EIGHT.

UH, THAT IS A LARGE, UH, LAWN, UH, WHICH WILL FUNCTION REALLY WELL.

AND IT'S BEEN DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR EASTER CAMPERS TO USE.

UH, 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO BRING THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT OUT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE BRING THEIR OWN TABLES AND CHAIRS AND THINGS OUT AS YOU, YOU WOULD NOTICE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE SHOWN EARLIER.

SO THAT'S A HUGE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO OCCUPY FOR THAT.

BUT ON JUST A SUNNY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, YOU COULD PLAY FRISBEE THERE TOO.

BUT THAT TRAIL BRINGS YOU SAFE ACCESS TO GET TO THAT.

IN ADDITION, NUMBER EIGHT, IT'S A LOOP TRAIL, RIGHT? PEOPLE LIKE TO MOVE IN LOOPS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE TRYING TO LEARN SOMETHING OR KIND OF SEE DIFFERENT, UH, ECOLOGICAL SYSTEMS THAT ARE ALONG THAT ROUTE.

SO THERE'S LITTLE STORIES ALONG THAT ROUTE, AND THERE'S BENCHES ALONG IT AS WELL.

THERE'S LITTLE RAILS.

YOU CAN STOP AND LOOK, YOU CAN WATCH THIS, YOU CAN WATCH THAT.

IT'S THERE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE PARK, INTO PARTS OF THE PARK THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO ACCESS TODAY.

FURTHER, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, THOSE TABLES NOW ARE ALL A DA ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE YOU CAN GET FROM THOSE, UH, PARKING SPACES TO THOSE, UH, PICNIC TABLES, WHICH MOST OF THE PICNIC TABLES THAT EXIST TODAY ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE, UM, FROM AN A DA, UM, UH, CODE POINT OF VIEW.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SEPARATED.

THEY PROVIDES A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC, MORE, FAR MORE OPPORTUNITY THAT EXISTS TODAY.

UH, WHEN WE DESIGN THESE THINGS, IT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL.

THIS IS LIKE A LITTLE SWISS WATCH IN A WAYS.

I I WOULD GO FURTHER AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER 11 IS SORT OF A PLAZA SPACE.

THAT'S KINDA WHERE YOUR JOURNEY BEGINS, AND YOU MOVE ALONG.

NUMBER EIGHT, YOU FIND YOUR WAY DOWN AT THE, UM, UH, THE, UH, THE LILY POND, THE DAM THAT'S BEEN, UM, EXPOSED, NOW THAT YOU CAN SEE IT.

THEN YOU CONTINUE DOWN ACROSS THE LITTLE, UH, NUMBER 19 WHERE THE, UH, DONKEY, UH, CART USED TO BE.

THEN YOU MOVE ALONG THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RACEWAY.

SO IT CREATES A LOOP, SLOW MOVING.

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, SCHOOL KIDS THAT ARE THERE DOING THINGS ON ANY GIVEN DAY OF THE WEEK.

UH, THEY'RE GONNA LEARN A LOT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO IN A SAFER LOCATION.

SO, SO PARK BENCHES COULD GO IN THAT AREA, OR THE FRISBEE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON I SAY IS BECAUSE THE, THE, THE SPIRIT OF THE QUESTION IS MM-HMM .

THAT THAT WOULD BE SAYING THAT THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW AND HAS BEEN, IS WRONG OR IT DOESN'T WORK.

IT, UH, IT WILL WORK BETTER IN THE FUTURE, IS THE IDEA.

THAT'S A, THAT'S A, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU SAID THAT, BUT YEAH, IT WILL WORK BETTER.

AND, AND THE IDEA WITH, UH, IS TO ABSOLUTELY.

TO MAKE A LARGE OPEN SPACE, RIGHT? THAT WAS KIND OF A DESIRE.

THIS IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HEARD.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS DONE BEFORE WE WERE ENGAGED IN THE PROJECT, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, AND A LOT OF THE RESULTS OF EARLY ENGAGEMENT WAS ABOUT MORE OPEN SPACE, LIKE THAT MORE FLEXIBLE TYPE OF OPEN SPACE.

SO THESE ARE RESPONSES TO OTHER TYPES OF COMMENTS THAT WE'VE, UM, YEAH.

THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED OVER TIME.

A PARK AND, AND NEXT TO 23, IS THAT A VEHICLE BE ABLE TO GO INTO? UH, THERE IS ONE SPACE THERE, WHICH HAS BEEN GREATLY MINIMIZED FROM WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, BUT THERE IS AN ACCESS POINT THERE.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

IT MIGHT BE FOR YOU.

NUMBER SEVEN IS, IS NOT JUST A BIKE TRAIL, RIGHT? IT'S ALSO ACCESS TO THE, TO THE ZOO.

UH, I MEAN, NOT REALLY.

UH, NUMBER SEVEN WILL TAKE YOU UP THROUGH UNDERNEATH HILDEBRAND.

NO, NO, I, I, I KNOW.

BUT AS IT GOES TO WHERE IT IS, UHHUH ON THIS DRAWING GOING THIS WAY TO THE LEFT, DOES, DOESN'T IT, ISN'T THERE AN ENTRANCE TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT IS OFF OF HILDEBRAND AND, AND IT, AND THAT GOES INTO THE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THE ZOO THAT WAY.

THERE'S NO, I DON'T MEAN FOR THE PUBLIC S IT'S A SERVICE ENTRY RIGHT NOW, WILL CARS STILL BE ABLE TO, IF YOU SEE THE, WHERE WELL ABOVE NUMBER 23, WHERE YOU SEE THE TWO A DA, UH, WRITTEN THERE, YEAH, YOU COULD MOVE UP THAT WAY TO A SERVICE ROUTE INTO THE ZOO.

UH, BUT THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT CIRCULATION SYSTEMS THAT WOULD NOT BE, UM, RIGHT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT SAYS PICNIC UHHUH PICNIC UNIT.

IT'S MOVABLE TABLE AND CHAIRS, UHHUH UHHUH.

THAT'S AN ENTRANCE RIGHT TO THE ZOO.

UH, NOT, NOT FOR PEOPLE, NOT FOR, NOT FOR THE PUBLIC, JUST FOR, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME BACK OF HOUSE AND WHAT BACK OF HOUSE.

A BIG PART OF WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO WITH THE PLAN IS THAT, UH, BUT, BUT THERE IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE IS, THERE IS, IT WILL BE, THERE WILL HAVE ACCESS.

I CAN, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL BE ZOO ACCESS IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT OVER TIME THE ZOO HAS KIND OF LIKE STEPPED INTO THE PARK MORE AND MORE, MORE.

AND SO A LOT OF THEIR KIND OF BACK OF HOUSE, UH, THINGS WERE REALLY IMPACTING THE PARK.

SO THE IDEAS FOR THE ZOO, THE ZOO TO DO THEIR BACK OF HOUSE THINGS WITHIN THE ZOO AND FOR THE PARK TO BECOME

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I CAN'T RECALL IF IT WAS FOR FIRE OR ACTUAL YEAH, MORE DETAIL.

SORRY.

UH, SO YES.

RIGHT, THAT, MA'AM, THERE'S MA'AM, OH, I'M SORRY.

I AM ASHTON WILLIAMS, UH, SAN ANTONIO NATIVE AND PROJECT MANAGER ON THE, UH, BRACKEN RIDGE PARK PROJECT WITH SWA GROUP.

SORRY, THAT WAS A LITTLE LONG-WINDED.

UM, SO THAT AREA THERE IS CURRENTLY A ZOO OPERATIONS, UH, FENCE ZONE.

THE INTENTION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CLOSE THAT OFF, AND THAT WOULD ONLY BE A FIRETRUCK TURNAROUND POINT.

UM, THAT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS TO STILL BE NEGOTIATED WITH AS YOU ON THE CITY SIDE, THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, UH, PERSONALLY ON THE DESIGN TEAM.

UM, BUT THAT THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, DO YOU SEE THAT CROSSWALK THAT THAT CROSSES BRECKEN RIDGE DRIVE THERE, THERE WILL BE BOLLARDS THERE.

SO NORMALLY CARS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT DRIVE EXCEPT FOR, UH, PARK STAFF, UM, IN THEIR REMOVABLE BALLS SO THEY CAN PICK 'EM UP AND PULL THEM.

UM, AND SO THAT NUMBER SEVEN NORMALLY WILL JUST BE SERVING PEOPLE, UH, MOVING THROUGH THE PARK TO, TO CIRCULATE BRACKEN RIDGE PROP PROPER IN A, IN THE LARGER LOOP.

'CAUSE THIS, THIS TRAIL CONTINUES FURTHER DOWN INTO THE PARK.

CORRECT.

AND THEN AT NUMBER SEVEN, WHERE IT GOES UP TOWARDS NUMBER SIX, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO SPIRIT REACH IS BEING DEVELOPED NORTH OF, UH, HILDEBRAND.

AND SO PEOPLE FROM, UM, BRACKENRIDGE PARK CAN GO UP TO THE SPIRIT, REACH AND LEARN ABOUT THE, THIS, THE HEADWATERS OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE HISTORICAL JOURNEY FOR THIS WHOLE PROJECT.

SO WE'RE CONNECTING THAT AS PART OF THIS EXPERIENCE.

SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THESE, UM, PATHWAYS TO, UH, HAVE THE DISTINCT IDENTITIES, UM, BECAUSE IT'S HELPING, UM, SITE LEGIBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN THROUGH THE SITE AND UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE AND, UM, COMMUNICATE THE HISTORICAL JOURNEY, BUT ALSO BE FUNCTIONAL FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE TO GO ON THE PARK FROM MAINTENANCE TO, UH, A PARK EXPERIENCE AS WELL.

I, I, I DO HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS, AND THEY'RE SHORT QUESTIONS THOUGH, ON THE, FOR, FOR DESIGN COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ ON DESIGN COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.

YES, SIR.

UM, WE'VE, I'VE GIVEN YOU EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME HERE IN THIS SESSION, SO TO KEEP SAYING I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

CAN I ASK YOU TO WRAP, WRAP UP PLEASE? SO WE CAN, UM, MOVE THROUGH? IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST ONE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THAT.

THE DESIGN FIRM WAS AWARE THAT IN THE RIVER REACH AND IN THE WEST SIDE CREEKS, THAT, THAT THEY, THERE ARE BIKES AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WALKING, THERE'S ONE TRAIL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AND, AND THEN TWO, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S POINT, I ALSO WAS HOPING THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME EXPLORATION IN THE BRIDGE IN THE AREA THAT CONNECTS THAT ASAKIA, UH, TO THE WATER, TO THE, TO THE PUMP HOUSE.

THAT, THAT PERHAPS THERE'S A, A CREATIVE WAY TO, I MEAN, YOU SHOW A PICTURE HERE THAT SHOWS THE WATER GOING THROUGH THE ARCHES, YET THERE'S NO EFFORT TO DO THAT IN THE ACTUAL THING.

SURE.

SO, UM, UM, JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.

SO WHEN THEY INVESTIGATED THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGET, NUMBER 17, THEY ALSO DISCOVERED ANOTHER, UH, NUMBER OF HISTORIC ARTIFACTS THAT ARE BURIED BETWEEN, UH, THE END OF THE ASAKIA THERE IN THE ZOO.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AN OPEN CHANNEL.

UM, FROM WHERE THE END OF THEIA IS TO THE ZOO, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS UNDERGROUND THAT ARE BLOCKING THAT PATH.

SO IN ORDER TO EXPOSE THAT WHOLE CHANNEL THROUGH, UM, THE ACTUAL, THE ZOO END OF THE ASI IS BLOCKED OFF CURRENTLY.

UM, SO THOSE TWO BODIES OF WATER DON'T MEET AND THEY CAN'T MEET BECAUSE THE ANIMALS POOP IN THE WATER, UM, .

BUT, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, SO IF YOU WERE TO DIG THAT DOWN, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO DRAIN THAT WATER OUT THROUGH THAT AREA.

AND THEN ALSO YOU'D BE IMPACTING THE CULTURAL RESOURCES THAT ARE BURIED.

THERE'S AN INDIGENOUS, UM, AMERICAN HEARTH THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BELOW THERE, AND THEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF ACTUALLY, UM, THERE'S A BUNCH OF CRISSCROSSING PIPES THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW, UM, HOW THEY PLAYED INTO THE LARGER STORY OF THE, UM, PUMPHOUSE SYSTEM.

UM, AND SO UNTIL THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, WE ARE NOT REALLY SURE HOW TO INTERPRET IT IN THAT WAY.

UM, BUT THROUGH SIGNAGE, UM, WE WOULD HOPE TO COMMUNICATE THAT STORY AND ILLUSTRATE THAT.

BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE, UM, UH, PACKAGE AND STUDY THAT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED YET.

BUT WE WOULD HOPE THAT THAT STORY WOULD BE TOLD THROUGH THAT SIGNAGE.

UM, BUT A PHYSICAL WAY TO CONNECT THOSE, UM, WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DO THAT AT THIS TIME.

BUT IT COULD BE A FUTURE PROJECT OR, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER IN THE WAY YOU WENT ABOUT EXPRESSING THIS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND MR. CHAIR.

I, I JUST WOULD WONDER IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO PLACE A SPECIFIC, UH, OBLIGATION ON THE CITY'S PART TO PROVIDE US WITH A PLAN.

NOT THAT IT JUST GOES TO OHP STAFF AND THAT THEY, UH, HOLD IT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S STANDARD, BUT THAT THERE IS A PLAN FOR, UH, THE PARK BENCHES AND, AND AN EXTENSION OF, UH, OF PARKING THAT WOULDN'T HOLD UP THE PROJECT,

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BUT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S THIS INFERRED RIGHT THROUGH THE PARK BENCHES THAT, UH, THE CITIZENS ACTUALLY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE ANYTIME THAT THE PARK IS OPEN.

THAT, THAT IT'S NOT AN AREA THAT IS SEPARATE.

SO IN THE SPIRIT OF BREVITY, JUST TO ASK THE MAKER THE MOTION, IF YOU'D CONSIDER ADDING A STIPULATION REQUIRING THE CITY TO COME BACK WITH A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR APPROVAL FOR PARK BENCHES AND SOME INCREASED PARKING IN THAT AREA, DOES THE MAKER A MOTION DESIRE TO DO SO? NO, MY MOTION STANDS.

UM, VICE CHAIR FETZER? YES.

UM, I WISH TO THANK EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT FROM DAY ONE, UH, THE PUBLIC, THE DESIGN TEAM, CITY STAFF, UM, A LOT OF EFFORT AND I'M SURE BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS HAVE BEEN SHED TO GET TO GET US TO THIS POINT.

AND, UM, JUST ONE LAST STATEMENT.

AS THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE CITY STAFF WORK OUT THE ACTUAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND FINALIZE THE DESIGN OF WHAT'S, UH, PRESENTED HERE TODAY, AND, UH, IF IT'S PASSED, UM, TO CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF, NUMBER AND LOCATION OF PICNIC TABLES AND NUMBER AND LOCATION OF THE, UH, PARKING SPACES AS A MINIMUM.

AND AS YOU, UH, DELVE INTO THE DETAILS, SINCE THIS IS A FAIRLY QUICK TURNAROUND FROM THE LAST MEETING, UH, IF YOU CAN INCREASE THOSE NUMBERS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO.

AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO ALSO SAY, UM, I THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE, UM, WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROJECT, THE, UM, SPEAKERS, THE, UM, VOICEMAILS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PERSON, UM, AS WELL AS OUR, UM, COMMISSION HERE, BECAUSE, UM, EVERYONE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S RIGHT.

SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO THANK EVERYONE WHO, UM, PUT SOMETHING INTO THIS.

SO, UM, THANK YOU.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES.

HOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH LONGER ON THE SECOND WORD COMMENTS? I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'VE, I WOULD ALLOW YOU TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT.

GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

I DO WANNA GET AN ANOTHER WORD IN TO AVOID THE CONFUSION THAT, UM, MAY HAVE BEEN CREATED BY MY SUGGESTING TO EXPRESS THE REST OF THE SIA.

I'M FULLY, FULLY AWARE THAT WHEN THE SIAS GET, UM, COVERED, THEY GET FILLED UP WITH DEBRIS, THEY GET USED FOR OTHER CHANNELS SO THAT THE BRECKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY ISN'T DISCOURAGED.

IT DOESN'T MEAN A FULL EXCAVATION OF THE, OF THE ELEMENT AND TO, IN ORDER TO EXPRESS IT.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES HERE IN TOWN THAT USE PAVING AND OTHER MATERIALS TO EXPRESS SOMETHING BELOW.

JUST SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DISCOURAGED, NOT IT, UM, THE ASCIA, UM, MEANS A LOT TO ME.

UM, SO I'M WILLING TO MAKE THIS EXTRA COMMENT FOR THAT ON BEHALF OF THE ASA AND THAT HISTORY.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.

CAN WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER 10? I'M SORRY, ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE.

WE'LL WAIT.

JUST ONE MOMENT FOR THE ROOM TO CLEAR OUT.

THOSE WHO ARE EXCELLENT.

I ASKED YOU TO PLEASE ASK THE QUIETLY COULD WE STILL HAVE OTHER CASES TO HEAR, PLEASE? THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD, ED.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 0 6 7 12 53 12 55

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EAST CROCKETT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND THE DESIGN OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONSTRUCTION AND TO INSTALL A DRIVEWAY AND LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS.

WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE, TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ROOF FORM TO NOW FEATURE A FRONT FACING GABLE ROOF WITH NO SIDE DORMERS.

TWO, TO REMOVE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FENESTRATION ON THE WEST FACADE.

THREE TO INSTALL A DRIVEWAY AT THE REAR THAT IS THE NORTH OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO FEATURE 12 FEET AND WIDTH, AND FOUR TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.

STAFFER RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ROOF AS SUBMITTED.

BASED ON FINDING C NUMBER TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO.

FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO THE WEST FACADE COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL NOTE IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE EXHIBITS, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, UH, A REVISED DESIGN AFTER WE HAD COMPLETED OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT ADDRESSES THIS.

UH, NUMBER THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, DRIVEWAY INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT NOT EXCEED 10 FEET AND WIDTH.

AND FOR NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF SHRUBS AND BRUSHES TO SCREEN MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.

ZURICH MATERIALS ARE NOT APPROVED TO BE INSTALLED PER THIS PLAN.

UH, A FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF TO ENSURE THE FOUNDATION SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN.

SO, COMMISSIONERS, UM, I GUESS TO MOVE THIS ALONG, I WILL NOTE THAT THERE IS A LETTER AND A VOICEMAIL, SO LET'S NOT FORGET THAT.

UM, ON THE SCREEN NOW IS THE REVISED DESIGN.

UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED FENESTRATION BACK TO THIS FACADE.

UM, HERE ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE HDRC.

UH, THE APPLICANT HAD REMOVED FENESTRATION HERE, THAT FENESTRATION HAS BEEN ADDED BACK.

YOU CAN SEE IT HERE.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MODIFICATION TO THE ROOF FORM, UH, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS WELL AS HISTORIC PROFILES FOUND WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S, UH, LEFT FOR DISCUSSION REGARDING THESE MODIFICATIONS.

THE DRIVEWAY HERE, THE APPLICANT'S NOTED THAT AT 12 FEET IN WIDTH, THE GUIDELINES NOTE 10 FEET IN WIDTH.

UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A LANDSCAPING PLAN.

UM, THERE'S NOT A, UH, AN ACTUAL TURF MATERIAL NOTED.

AND SO STAFF IS SIMPLY SAYING IF THE APPLICANT OR A FUTURE INDIVIDUAL HAS THE INTENT OF INSTALLING ZURICH MATERIAL, GRAVEL, DECOMPOSED GRANITE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A FULL LANDSCAPING PLAN.

IF THE PLAN'S TO INSTALL NATURAL GRASS OR TURF, UH, THEN DO SO.

UM, ED, I JUST WANNA SAY ALSO, UM, IN THE LATE VOTER AND IN LETTERS, I DON'T SEE, WE DON'T SEE THIS LETTER, SO THERE'S NO, UM, I WILL PULL IT UP.

I'VE GOT IT ON MY SCREEN, SO IT, IT PROBABLY JUST WASN'T ADDED TO THE THUMB DRIVE.

UM, I'LL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL NOW AND THEN I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN.

SHARE THE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

HI, THIS IS LULU FWA, CHAIRPERSON FOR THE DIGNITY WOODHILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON 12 53, 12 55 EAST ROCKET, UM, HCRC, CASE NUMBER 0 6 7.

WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE FENESTRATION, BUT WE'RE CONFUSED BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY STAFF SAID THE FENESTRATION WAS NOT MET.

SO OUR QUESTION IS, WAS THE FENESTRATION MET OR NOT? ANOTHER STIPULATION THAT WAS CALLED OUT WAS THAT THE FENESTRATION ON THE WEST FACADE ON THE BOTTOM LEVEL WAS TOO WIDE, WAS THE, WHICH REDUCED PREVIOUSLY.

AND HAVE STAFF CONFIRMED THAT THE FENESTRATION WAS REDUCED TO ME HISTORIC GUIDELINES.

WE ALSO AGREE WITH STAFF DENIAL OF BOTH THE 12 FOOT DRIVEWAY AND THE ZERO LANDSCAPING MATERIAL.

UM, WE DO NOT LIVE IN WEST TEXAS.

THIS IS NOT THE DESERT.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE GLASS DOORS FACING THE STREET ON BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR.

UM, FULL GLASS DOORS ARE NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, AND A WOOD DOOR OR WOOD AND GLASS DOORS SHOULD BE USED INSTEAD.

OKAY, SIR, UM, YOUR TIME.

YOU WANNA PRESENT YOUR CASE? I'M SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU COULD PRESENT YOUR CASE, SIR.

YEAH, IT IS, UM, RICARDO MCCULLOUGH.

UM, I'M THE PROJECT DESIGNER AND WE PREVIOUSLY HAD BEEN APPROVED, BUT THEN AFTER THE APPROVAL, MY, THE OWNER, MY CLIENT CAME TO ME, HE HAD GIVEN ME WRONG DIRECTION FROM THE BEGINNING.

SO THAT'S, I CAME UP WITH THIS CONCEPT AT, AT, AT FIRST THAT HE AND I WANTED TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE A TWO STORY HOUSE BASED ON THE, THE ENTIRE BLOCK IS ONLY ONE STORIES.

UH, SO I WASN'T SURE WE WERE GONNA BE APPROVED WITH THAT.

SO I CAME UP WITH THAT CONCEPT OF THE DORMERS.

SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE JUST A HIGH ONE STORY.

BUT THEN WHEN HE CAME BACK, UH, HE ASKED ME TO REDESIGN SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE PROPER TWO STORY, UH, HOUSE.

SO THAT'S WHY THESE, UH,

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UH, CHANGES CAME ABOUT.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS ABOUT THE FENESTRATION, I, UH, ORIGINALLY I HAVE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEN THAT, THAT PART OF THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE TOO CLOSE TO THE, THE NEIGHBOR ON THAT SIDE.

SO I DECIDED TO REMOVE THE WINDOWS TO, TO CREATE SOME PRIVACY.

UH, BUT THEN AS WE SUBMITTED THE PRO THE PROJECT, I WAS ASKED TO BRING THE WINDOWS BACK TO THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

SO I DID.

UM, AND BASICALLY JUST A MATTER CHANGING FROM THE LAST COMMENTS ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY IN THE LANDSCAPING, AND THAT'LL BE ABOUT IT.

SO AS FAR AS THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STAFF, UM, SO WE'RE OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE RECOMMENDING ITEM, UM, ONE, THEY'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ITEM TWO, UM, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ITEM THREE AND APPROVAL ITEM FOUR.

SO, UM, DID YOU WANNA MAKE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS ON, UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO? I CAN, I CAN JUMP IN.

UM, SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF OBSOLETE AT THIS POINT.

UM, THE REVISED DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN NOW IS WHAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AFTER WE HAD FINALIZED THAT.

SO, UM, STAFF FINDS THAT THE FENESTRATION THAT'S SHOWN HERE, UH, DOES INDEED ADDRESS OUR, OUR PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS CONCERNS.

UH, SO I, I THINK THAT LEAVES REALLY JUST THE, UH, DRIVEWAY WIDTH AT NEEDING TO BE REDUCED FROM 12 FEET TO 10 FEET.

UM, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, CONFIRMING WHETHER OR NOT NATURAL GRASS WILL BE INSTALLED OR THE COMMISSION STIPULATING THAT OR STIPULATING THAT, UM, IF THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN THAT A DETAILED PLAN BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF REVIEW.

SO SIR, UM, BASED ON WHAT, UM, ED JUST SAID, SO ARE, ARE YOU WILLING TO STIPULATE TODAY OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU PREFER US, I MEAN, COULD WE WILL ADDRESS THAT IN OUR MOTION MOST LIKELY, BUT HOW DO YOU YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO, TO HAVE A, I MEAN, I WAS GONNA SAY OFFICIAL NATURAL GRASS.

IS IT ALRIGHT.

AND THE DRIVEWAY YOU'RE YES.

YEAH, WE'RE GONNA CORRECT IT TO 10.

ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THOSE COMMENTS.

UM, LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

FIRST, UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, I DON'T.

UH, WELL ACTUALLY, HAS HE ADDRESSED THE FULL GLASS DOORS THAT WERE COMMENTED ON? DID YOU HEAR THAT QUESTION, SIR? UM, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER MAZUA WAS COMMENTING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, SUBMITTED A LETTER, UM, NOTING THAT THEY DIDN'T FIND THE GLASS DOORS TO BE APPROPRIATE.

UH, AND HE'S ASKING IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT.

UM, WELL THE COMMENT WOULD BE IF, UH, IF WE NEED TO DELETE THE, THE GLASS DOORS AND DO SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE THEN WE WILL, WE'LL DO THAT.

THANK YOU SIR.

FRENCH DOORS WOULD, WOULD WORK FRENCH, WOODEN FRENCH DOORS WOULD FRENCH DOORS.

UM, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY MODIFY THE WIDTH.

SOME, UM, STAFF, STAFF GENERALLY FINDS THE DOOR TO BE APPROPRIATE.

UM, IF YOU WANNA REDUCE THE WINDOW LIGHT TO BE A HALF LIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD BE FINE.

WE CAN WORK ON THAT TOGETHER.

YOU GOOD? COMMISSIONER MAZUA? YES.

COMMISSIONER GALLWAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UM, NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR.

ALRIGHT, LET ME FINISH YOUR NAME, SIR.

COMMISSIONER JSO.

COMMISSIONER GRU, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER MAMAN NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.

COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, IT'S A QUESTION FOR EDWARD.

EDWARD.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MOST RECENTLY IN THE, IN THE, THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, WE'RE GONNA BE HITTING HISTORIC TEMPERATURES ABOVE A HUNDRED DEGREES IN MARCH.

IS THERE ANY, UH, LEEWAY THAT, THAT THE APPLICANTS ARE PROVIDED WITH RESPECT TO ADAPTING TO THE FACT THAT GRASS IS SURE THING? WE HAVE A, A FULL ZERO ESCAPING PLAN, SO WE'VE NEVER SAID, OR THAT PLAN SAYS THAT YOU CAN HAVE ZURICH DROUGHT TOLERANT MATERIALS.

YOU JUST NEED TO SUBMIT A PLAN TO US SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY WHAT'S GOING IN.

AND SO ALL WE'RE SAYING IS IF IN THE FUTURE THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEN THEY CAN'T JUST DO IT.

THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY GUIDE THAT Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED FOUR YEARS AGO OR SO.

THANK THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

EDWARD.

VICE CHAIR FETZER, NO QUESTIONS.

UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I WANTED TO, CAN DO YOU WANT ME TO OH, SURE, GO AHEAD.

AND APPROVE ITEM FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SO BASED ON THE COMMENTS AND THE, UH, APPLICANT'S WILLING TO AGREE, I'M SAY, UH, APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATION APPROVE ITEM TWO AS PRESENTED IN THE REVISED, UM, DRAWINGS PRESENTED TODAY.

APPROVE ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATION

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SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

UM, ALRIGHT, SO LOOKING DOWN THE LINE.

SO BASED ON, UM, NO QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, SO I'M ASSUMING EVERYONE IS OKAY, SO, ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION? I MEAN, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE MA'AM.

ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE.

UM, BEFORE WE JUMP TO ITEM NUMBER 10, UH, RUBEN, I SEE THAT YOU'RE HERE.

UM, BRENDA WAS GONNA JOIN VIRTUALLY AND I DON'T SEE THAT SHE'S ON THE CALL RIGHT NOW.

UM, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT WITHOUT HER OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

OKAY, FINE.

THERE WE GO.

LET ME GET THIS GOING NOW.

UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 0 6 6 25 0 9 MISSION ROAD.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT FOUR TWO STORY HISTORIC, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, FOUR, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT 25 0 9 MISSION ROAD LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT.

BEAR WITH ME, THE COMPUTER IS GOING A LITTLE SLOWER.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.

UH, ONE THAT EACH STRUCTURE FEATURE ALL LAP OR BOARD AND BAT AND SIDING OR ALL MASONRY FACADE ELEMENTS.

AS NOTED IN FINDING J, THESE MATERIALS SHOULD NOT BE COMBINED ON A SINGLE STRUCTURE BOARD.

AND BATTEN SIDING SHOULD FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 12 INCHES IN WIDTH AND BATTENS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF TO TWO INCHES IN WIDTH.

HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING SHOULD FEATURE AN EXPOSURE OF BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX INCHES.

ALL SIDING IF COMPOSITE SHOULD FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH.

TWO, THAT EACH FACADE FEATURE A UNIFORM WINDOW FEATURE, UNIFORM WINDOW PROFILE AND MATERIALS.

IT'S NOTED IN FINDING K STAFF STANDARDS DO NOT PROHIBIT THE INSTALLATION OF VINYL WINDOWS.

HOWEVER, WINDOW PRODUCTS MUST COMPLY WITH THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

THREE, THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE SIDE FACADE OF EACH STRUCTURE IS NOTED IN FINDING L FOUR THAT EACH FRONT WALKWAY ALIGNED WITH THE FRONT DOOR IS NOTED IN FINDING M FIVE THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

AS NOTED IN FINDING O LANDSCAPING DESIGN SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS IN THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE FOR ZERO ESCAPING, UH, SIX THAT THE REAR PARKING AREA BE SCREENED IS NOTED IN FINDING S AND THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER A PERMEABLE PAVING SURFACE.

SEVEN IS AN ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, REQUIREMENT.

UH, AND THE, EXCUSE ME, THERE'S A CASE COMMENT REGARDING THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SETBACK INSPECTION FOR EACH FOUNDATION, UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. UH, RUBEN CETO IS HERE IN PERSON.

UH, AND RUBEN, IF BRENDA'S GONNA TRY TO JOIN, I'LL CONTINUE TO REFRESH OVER HERE.

SHE'S, I MEAN SHE'S GOT ALL THE, SHE'S MY ARCHITECT SO SHE'S GOT ALL THE SPECIFICS.

BUT I MEAN, WHAT QUESTIONS CAN I ANSWER? WE AGREE TO DO ALL THE REQUIRED ITEMS. UM, OKAY.

SO, UM, IF YOU, YOU AGREE TO ALL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, CORRECT? YEAH, DEFINITELY.

UM, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE, SIR? AND THEN WE'LL, YEAH.

MY NAME IS RUBEN STO.

UM, I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND DEVELOPER.

AND SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO UM, THE, ALL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS YOU'RE AGREEING TO, SO, OKAY.

YES SIR.

AND UH, TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER ON THAT, UM, I HAD A MEETING ON MONDAY WITH THE DESIGNER, UH, AND WE WENT THROUGH EACH OF THESE AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT AN ACCEPTABLE APPROACH WOULD BE TO ADDRESSING EACH COMMENT.

UH, SO I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT, UH, WE CAN, LOOKS LIKE SHE'S ON NOW, SO I'LL LET HER SPEAK, BUT YEAH.

UH, BRENDA, YOU'RE ON NOW.

YOU MAY NEED TO HIT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE.

UM, BUT I'VE JUST READ THE REQUEST INTO THE RECORD AND WE'RE DISCUSSING, UH, STIPULATIONS.

RUBEN NOTED THAT, UM, YOU ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH EACH STIPULATION.

SO IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT OR NEED TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THOSE, PLEASE DO SO.

AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU MAY NEED TO HIT STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE TO UNMUTE.

UM, WE AGREE WITH THE STIPULATIONS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.

HELLO.

WE CAN HEAR YOU.

ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE HAVE BEEN ASKED.

WE ARE OKAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS BEING, UH, SAID SO FAR.

UM, WE ARE WORKING ON THE CHANGES AND UM, PROVIDING

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SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, SO, UM, TEAM, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ALL STIPULATIONS, SO, UM, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO INTO A MOTION.

MR. CHAIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

ALRIGHT SIR, GO AHEAD.

MO.

MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SECOND, BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING, SIR? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, ALL HEARTS AND MINDS CLEAR.

CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.

ITEM NUMBER 11, PLEASE.

YOU'RE WELCOME MA'AM.

MARCH 18TH, 2020 6, 2 1 9 3 BOULEVARD.

ITEM NUMBER 11.

OKAY, ITEM NUMBER 11 ON THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE REPAIR AND REPLACE EXISTING BRICK CLADDING AND APPLY A LIME WASH AFTER INSTALLATION.

NUMBER TWO, CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 96 SQUARE FOOT FRONT PORCH ROOF TO FEATURE CEDAR POSTS AND SHINGLE ROOF.

I THINK THAT WAS A TYPO.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO REPAIR AND REPLACE THE EXISTING BRICK CLADDING OR TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 96 SQUARE FOOT FRONT PORCH TO FEATURE CEDAR POST AND A SHINGLE ROOF.

WE DO HAVE, UM, OUR APPLICANT, JOSE MORA HERE.

UM, AND YOU CAN, OKAY.

ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

MY NAME IS DORIAN EZ AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND JOSE MORA.

UH, WE PURCHASED THIS HOME, UH, 2 1 9 LORRAINE BACK IN FEBRUARY.

AND, UM, WE HAVE DONE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, UH, REMODELING AS WELL AS, UH, UPGRADES TO THE HOME TO MAKE IT SUSTAINABLE AS WELL AS FUNCTIONAL.

SOME OF THE ITEMS WERE NOT SAFE AS THE ELECTRICAL, SO WE HAD TO UPGRADE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. I MENTIONED THIS, UH, BECAUSE CURRENTLY AS IT STAYS TODAY, THE PROPERTY HAS ABOUT 60 TO 65% MASONRY OR BRICK AROUND THE HOME.

TO REMOVE THAT, IT WOULD COST ABOUT 17,000 OVER OUR BUDGET.

SO WHAT WE HAD WAS, IS WE HAD OUR CONTRACTOR PROVIDE US A QUOTE OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE BRICK AND RESTORE IT TO THE CEDAR PINE.

AND IT WAS AROUND 30,000, 35,000.

35,000, SORRY.

OR KEEP IT TO THE BRICK THAT IT HAS TODAY.

SO BECAUSE THE HOME ALREADY HAS ABOUT 60 TO 65% BRICK, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER AND MORE, UH, COST EFFICIENT FOR US TO KEEP IT WITH BRICK.

ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOME IS IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC AREA.

UH, WE DID DRIVE AROUND THE AREA TO IDENTIFY OTHER HOMES THAT ARE WITHIN BRICK STANDARDS TOO.

WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE THAN TO JUST KEEP THE BRICK IF POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE COST.

UM, THAT IS GONNA, IM IMPACT OUR, OUR BUDGET.

WE WERE HOPING TO, UM, GET THIS MOVING ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER A LOAN AND WE'RE HAVING TO EVERY DAY THAT PASSES BY THAT WE'RE DELAYING THIS, UH, MODIFICATION OR UPDATE IS DELAYING THE UPDATES AS WELL ON THE HOUSE.

AND THERE ARE AREAS IN WHAT THE BRICK FELL ON THE FRONT PART THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT, UM, HAVE WATER DAMAGE AND THAT'S CAUSING A LOT OF THE INTERIOR WORK TO GET STOPPED.

SO FOR US, UM, WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE AND, UH, YOUR VOTE ON A YES, IF WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE BRICK CURRENTLY, UM, AS IT WOULD TO RESTORE AND REPLACE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS THIS WOULD BE MORE COST EFFICIENT FOR US.

WE'VE HAD TO PULL PLUMBING, WE'VE HAD TO DO ELECTRICAL, WE'VE HAD TO UPDATE THE WINDOWS.

AND THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

BY, UM, BY, UH, I THINK IT WAS BY BRIAN BEFORE HE WENT ON LEAVE BRIAN, BEFORE HE WENT ON LEAVE.

UM, AND AS YOU, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER UNEXPECTED COST THAT WE HAD TO, UH, FOREGO.

AND THAT WAS ABOUT 10,000.

SO, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK, I NEED YOU CLOSER TO THE MIC, WE NEED TO HEAR.

SORRY.

I'M JOSE MORA.

SO THE WINDOWS WERE REPLACED AS WELL, WHICH WAS, UH, UNEXPECTED COST THAT, UH, WE HAD TO OCCUR.

SO THAT WAS ABOUT ANOTHER $10,000 THAT WERE ALREADY NEGATIVE IN THIS PROJECT.

WELL NOT PROJECT, BUT IT'S OUR PERSONAL HOUSE.

UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A NEWBORN, AS Y'ALL SAW THIS EARLIER, COME IN.

UH, WE HAVE A MOTHER-IN-LAW HERE.

WE HAVE A NEWBORN AND A 3-YEAR-OLD AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MOVE IN, UH, TO BE OUR FOREVER HOME.

PROVIDED THAT ARE, ARE ALREADY BRICK, THAT'S JUST ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW.

DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTING OF THE CASE? DO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YES.

I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD REAL QUICK.

THOSE THREE HOUSES THAT WE

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CURRENTLY IF YOU DRIVE THE TWO STREETS OVER TWO STREETS BACK, THERE'S MUCH MORE HOU HOUSES THAT CURRENTLY HAVE BRICK AS WELL.

WE JUST PROVIDED WHAT IS ON THE, THE STREET, THE SAME STREET AS OUR PROPERTY, BUT THERE IS MANY OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA THAT DO HAVE BRICK UH, SIDING ON ALL FOUR SITES.

THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THOSE EXAMPLES.

UM, WE, I KNOW WE HAVE NO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ONE, SO, UM, WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

UM, SO COMMISSIONER MAZUA, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? CURRENTLY IS, HOW MUCH OF THE HOUSE IS COVERED WITH BRICK? 60 TO 65? I SAY 65 BECAUSE THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THAT 5%, WHERE WE'LL HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RESTORE, NOT NECESSARILY REPLACE, BUT THE AREAS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME, THOSE WILL HAVE TO REPLACE TO NEW BRICK.

UM, BUT IT'S AROUND 60 TO 65%.

AND IS THAT THE WHITE BRICK THAT I SEE IT'S PAINTED? YES, SIR.

BUT YES, IT'S UH, IT'S, IT'S ORIGINALLY RED BUT THE PREVIOUS OWNER PAINTED IT WHITE.

YEAH, THERE'S AREAS THAT LIKE IT'S ALL PAINTED ON THERE.

I, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION AND I THINK I HAVE WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT IN PERSON BEFORE I'D MAKE A DECISION, BUT, UH, IT'S UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER GALLWAY? NO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SIR.

COMMISSIONER GUDA? UH, NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR.

COMMISSIONER SSO? NO, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

COMMISSIONER GROUP.

YES, SORRY, I I DO WOULD LIKE, IS THAT THE BEST PICTURE WE HAVE IN THE FRONT? SO I THINK, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL RIGHT NOW? IT'S THE 1 0 5 SIDING.

HAVE YOU REMOVED THAT AND KNOW THAT THERE'S NO BRICK UNDERNEATH? SO WHEN WE, UH, SO WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOME, THE BRICK HAD ALREADY, UH, FALLEN OFF OF THE FRONT.

UM, IT HAS PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF WATER DAMAGE THROUGHOUT THE FRONT OF THE HOME.

UH, BUT IN ORDER TO GO BACK TO PINE SIDING, WE WOULD'VE TO REMOVE ALL THE BRICK, UH, GET THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HOLD ON COMPLETELY.

JUST THE FRONT.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, SO THERE IS A BRICK ON THE FRONT? YES, THERE IS CURRENTLY BRICK ON THE FRONT, BUT IT'S, UH, FALLEN OFF, MAJORITY OF IT.

SO DO WE KNOW IF THERE IS BRICK UNDERNEATH LIKE MAJORITY BRICK ON THE FRONT? OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

SO, NO, SO THAT FIRST LAYER THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS WHERE, UM, THE, THE WATER BACKING FOR THE BRICK WAS AT, BUT ALL OF THAT BOTTOM PART FELL OFF.

SO THERE YOU COULD STILL SEE SOME OF THE BRICK RIGHT THERE.

IT'S JUST RIGHT THERE, THAT LITTLE LINE RIGHT THERE.

BUT WHERE YOU'RE THE MAJORITY OF THE BRICK IS, IS ON THE SIDE, THE SIDES.

SO THE, SO THAT L WRAP THAT WRAPS AROUND THE HOUSE.

AND I GUESS THE STAFF IS, YOU BELIEVE THE 1 0 5 SIDING IS ORIGINAL, BUT WE'VE NOT BEEN OUT TO THE PROPERTY PHYSICALLY.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ONE OH FIVE SIDING IS ORIGINAL.

THE SANBORNS DIDN'T INDICATE ANY MASONRY.

UH, SO THAT'S HOW WE WERE RIGHT THERE.

AND, AND THE STAFF IS, IS NOT LIKE, I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION, RIGHT? IT'S WHAT WAS ORIGINAL.

IT'S JUST THE WINE, THE LIME WASHING IS NOT SOMETHING WE SEE HISTORIC.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND THE GUIDELINES, UH, ARE PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT NOT PAINTING MASONRY.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO NOT DO A LIME WASH.

WE'RE JUST, WE, WE JUST WOULD PREFER TO HAVE BRICK, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR BUDGET AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A BETTER SOUNDING HOUSE WITH A BRICK ON ALL FOUR SIDES.

BUT WE'RE WILLING TO NOT DO A LINE WASH.

AND THEN ON THE FRONT PORCH, IF I'M REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE PICTURES TOO, SO IT'S ALL FLUSHED.

SO IT'D BE LIKE ONE BIG BRICK WALL YOU SUGGESTING? LET ME TAKE YOU TO THE PLAN.

WE JUST WANNA ADD A PORCH TO THAT CEMENT THAT'S ALREADY, IT WOULD JUST BE A COVERING FROM, UH, THE CARPORT TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

WE SUBMITTED A PLAN AND I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT RIGHT BEFORE BRIAN WENT ON MATERNITY LEAVE, UM, HE WENT AND ACTUALLY WALKED THE PROPERTY.

SO AS WE WERE WALKING HE DID, HE'S LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE, THERE WAS THIS MUCH BRICK.

HE DID MENTION THOUGH THAT IT WASN'T ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.

HE MENTIONED THAT THE WOOD SIDING OR PINE SIDING IS WHAT HE SAID WOULD BE WHAT WAS ORIGINAL WHEN WE WENT AND LOOKED OUT FOR QUOTES.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY THE MATERIAL WAS SO HIGH, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RESTORE ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THAT.

IT JUST HAS THE, THE BRICK BARRIER THAT WAS USED TO PUT THE BRICK IN THERE BEFORE.

SO ONCE YOU PULL THAT OUT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO INSTALL OR WHAT WAS THERE WHEN YOU CAME? THE BRICK BARRIER? NO, THE 1 0 5 SIDING, RIGHT? NO, NO, THERE WAS NO WOOD.

IT WAS JUST THAT, THAT UH, PLYWOOD, LIKE THAT BLACK BARRIER WHERE THE BELT THAT'S PUT BEFORE THE BRICK IS PUT ON BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS ALREADY BEING WORKED ON WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT.

UH, THERE WAS WALLS THERE THAT WERE MISSING.

THERE WAS, I THOUGHT I OKAY.

AND ON THAT FRONT PORCH.

SO BASICALLY YOU'RE JUST ADDING A FRONT PORCH, YOU'RE NOT, WE'RE ADDING YES.

MODIFYING, NO, WE WOULD BE ADDING A FRONT PORCH TO THE EXISTING PROPERTY AND THAT THERE'S A CEMENT THAT'S ALREADY LAID OUT.

AND I BELIEVE THAT ORIGINAL OWNER MAYBE WANTED TO DO THAT, BUT DIDN'T NECESSARILY DO THAT.

'CAUSE YOU COULD SEE IT.

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BASICALLY A PORCH JUST TO BE ABLE TO COVER FOR THE WEATHER.

BUT YEAH, THERE IS A EXISTING PORCH THAT HAS BEEN ENCLOSED CONTEMPORARILY NOT BY THESE FOLKS.

THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO IT WAS FORMALLY AN, UH, AN OPEN PORCH THAT WAS THEN ENCLOSED.

AND SO THE REQUEST IS TO ADD A FRONT PORCH TO THE FORMERLY ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ME.

UH, NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, FOR STAFF, IF, IF THERE'S, THERE IS BRICK EXISTING, UH, EVEN AT THE, YOU KNOW, ONE FOOT ABOVE THE GROUND ON THE CORNER.

CORRECT.

DOES THAT NOT IN SOMEHOW LEGITIMIZE THEIR REQUEST AS AN EXISTING, UH, UH, RETURNING TO THE MOST RECENT, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UP FOR YOU ALL TO ULTIMATELY DECIDE? RIGHT.

BUT THE GUIDELINES ARE PRETTY SPECIFIC THAT WHEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, NON HISTORIC MATERIAL SHOULD BE REMOVED TO EXPOSE THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL.

SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE ARRIVED AT THIS RECOMMENDATION.

AND TO THE APPLICANT, UM, THE, THE WOOD THAT'S THERE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE CONTRACTOR SAID TO REPLACE THAT WOOD WITH NEW WOOD TO DO IT RIGHT.

PROPERLY THAT IT WOULD COST YES.

MORE THAN PUTTING THE BRICK.

SO, RIGHT.

SO WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE BRICK, THE 60% BRICK THAT'S ON? NO, JUST THE FRONT.

I'M JUST TALKING JUST THE FRONT.

OH, JUST THE, TO REPLACE IT TO WOOD? WELL, NO, THAT IF THEY TERMINATED THE BRICK WHERE IT TERMINATES ON THE SIDES, THEN WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

DID THEY TALK TO YOU AT ALL ABOUT THAT? DID THEY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF, UH, COMPLETING JUST THE FRONT IN THE WOOD, REDOING ANY RIGHTED PARTS, DOING IT RIGHT, DOING THE DOOR RIGHT, AND ALL OF THAT.

DID, DID THEY GIVE YOU THAT OPTION? WELL, IT WOULD CHANGE THE ELEVATION OF THE FRONT.

MM-HMM .

SO THE FRONT ALREADY IS THE WAY IT'S BUILT OUT.

AND I THINK THAT ONE OF THE IMAGES, YOU COULD SEE IT, THE ELEVATION IS FOR BRICK.

MM-HMM .

SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO READJUST THAT TO NOW DO WOOD SIDING, WHICH IS GONNA COST US MORE.

WELL, LET ME ASK YOU, IS IT, IS THE HOUSE ON CONCRETE OR IS IT ON POSTS? IT'S ON POST.

IT'S.

IS THE CONCRETE, IS THE BRICK AROUND THE HOUSE ON A SEPARATE LITTLE CONCRETE LEDGE BY ITSELF? YES, IT IS, SIR.

WELL JUST, I I IF, IF THERE'S A BRICK THERE, MY, MY TENDENCIES TO, I I IN THE PAST TO, TO SAY THAT IF THERE WAS BRICK THERE, THAT IS ACTUALLY AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO Y'ALL.

BUT JUST SO LONG AS YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A SEPARATE FOUNDATION FOR THE BRICK, SOMETIMES THE HOUSE MOVES AND THE BRICK DOESN'T, OR THE BRICK MOVES AND THE HOUSE DOESN'T.

SO IT, IT MIGHT BE YOUR BEST OPTION TO DO THE FRONT AS PRETTY AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO IT IN THE WAY THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE.

BUT I'LL, I'LL PASS THE MICROPHONE.

THANK YOU SIR.

COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.

VICE SHERIFF ZER? YES.

UH, CAN WE PUT UP THE PHOTO OF THE FRONT ELEVATION AGAIN? THAT ONE? YES.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE ENCLOSED PORCH, WHICH HAS THE BLACK FELT PAPER ON IT, CORRECT.

UM, BEHIND THAT BLACK FELT PAPER, DO YOU KNOW WHAT MATERIAL IS THERE? THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

IT'S JUST THE STUDS.

JUST THE STUDS.

JUST THE STUDS, RIGHT.

AND THEN THERE'S A REMNANT OF BRICK DOWN AT, NEAR THE PORCH AT THE WALL.

YES SIR.

COVERING AND CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S APPROPRIATE, CONSIDERING THAT WE KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS ARE THERE.

SO A QUESTION FOR STAFF, IS IT CONCEIVABLE THAT IN CLOSING THAT PORCH, UH, WAS CLAD IN BRICK, UH, CONCEIVABLE.

CONCEIVABLE.

SO, UM, AND THERE'S REMNANTS OF BRICK THERE, SO THAT MODIFICATION HAS SOME HISTORIC VALUE OR IT SPEAKS TO THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE.

WOULD IT BE REASONABLE, ASSUME OR CONJECTURE THAT THAT PART OF THE ENCLOSED PORCH BE RECLAD IN BRICK? LET'S SEE IF I CAN HANDLE THIS ONE.

UM, CAN I JUST REFRAME THIS BECAUSE YOU SEE THESE REQUESTS IN OTHER, UH, WAYS AS WELL.

SO SAY A HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD WOOD SIDING AND AT SOME POINT THEY PUT ALUMINUM SIDING IN LIKE THE SEVENTIES.

WHAT THE TYPES OF REQUESTS YOU NORMALLY SEE IS OKAY, THE ALUMINUM SIDING IS DAMAGED.

I CAN'T REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S THE SAME.

SO THEY WANNA PULL IT OFF AND GO BACK WITH NEW COVERING.

AND SO WE THEN HAVE TO REVIEW THAT NEW

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SO THIS IS THE SAME THING.

UM, ALTHOUGH THE STAKES ARE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, I AGREE BECAUSE THE BRICK IS PROBABLY A MORE EXPENSIVE MATERIAL THAN, YOU KNOW, A FALSE SIGHTING.

UM, BUT YES, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS WHERE IT'S BEEN EXPOSED TO PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL MATERIALS THAT WE CAN SEE.

NOW THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO REMOVE ADDITIONAL PORTIONS OF BRICK AND THEN YOU ALL CAN CONSIDER SORT OF THE VALID VALIDITY OF GOING BACK WITH MATCHING BRICK BASED ON THE PREVIOUS ALTERATION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, IN OUR CASE IS ACTUALLY THE REVERSE IN WHICH THE BRICK IS CHEAPER TO KEEP THAN TO REPLACE IT TO THE WOOD SIDING.

SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE IN AS OWNERS BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR IS QUOTING US A LOT HIGHER BECAUSE THE BRICK IS GONNA TAKE THE DEMO AND EVEN THE ONE THAT'S NOT GETTING REMOVED, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER AGAIN THAT THERE'S A FIVE INCH OVERHANG ON THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE BRICK HAS FALLEN THAT HAS NOW HAS TO GET READJUSTED INSULATION, HAS TO GET REDONE, ALL OF THAT.

THAT WAS NOT BUDGETED FOR ON THIS LOAN THAT WE GOT BECAUSE WE WERE THINKING THAT WE COULD JUST REDO IT WITH THE BRICK ORIGINALLY.

SO FOR US AS HOMEOWNERS, THE COST TO MAKE IT TO A WOOD SIDING WOULD ACTUALLY HURT US.

AND SO I'LL JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, SAY ONE MORE THING.

UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THAT EXISTING SECTIONS OF BRICK THAT ARE IN PLACE NOW BE REMOVED, BUT WE DO KNOW YOU WANT IT TO MATCH 'CAUSE THAT'S A NORMAL THING TO WANT.

AND SO I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, I ALSO JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE EXPLORED THIS WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR, THAT THE BRICK WAS SECURED TO THE FRAMING IN A WAY WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE ADDITIONAL SECTIONS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THESE DID FALL OFF ON THEIR OWN , UM, WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNER.

SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.

FOR SURE.

QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS.

UM, I KNOW YOU WANT TO MOVE THE PROJECT ALONG, BUT, UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE A SITE VISIT BY THE, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS NEXT WEEK AND THEN YOU COME BACK THE WEEK AFTER THAT FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE CASE SO THAT WE CAN GET A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, THE DETAILS AT THE HOUSE? UH, NEXT WEEK WE COULD DO A STAFF, COULD WE DO A SIDE VISIT NEXT WEEK? YEAH.

NEXT AVAILABLE, YES.

NEXT AVAILABLE, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT WEEK? I DUNNO, I HAVE TO OH YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH, SO WE'RE BOTH ON PARENTAL LEAVE AND WE BOTH HAVE TO GO BACK TO WORK.

UM, WE HAVE A A NEWBORN.

YEAH, A NEWBORN, ALL THAT STUFF.

SO, SO I DON'T KNOW, I'D HAVE TO GET BACK.

SO TO THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT.

SO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT YOU TRUST WE'RE NOT GOING INSIDE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH.

YOU HAVE SOMEBODY TO TRUST THAT JUST THERE ON PROPERTY.

YEAH, I, I CAN LET MAYBE THE CONTRACTOR MAY BE AWARE AND OKAY.

GIVE YOU GUYS A DATE.

UM, WELL, WELL WE'RE LOOKING DO IT.

I CAN TRY A MOTION TO KIND OF KEEP THE OPTION OPEN.

THAT'LL WORK.

BUT JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE AT AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS DONE.

UM, AND WE CAN DO A SITE VISIT NEXT WEEK.

AND LIKE YOU SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PRESENT FOR THAT.

WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO VIEW THE OUTSIDE SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.

UM, SO, OKAY.

GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER GRU.

SO A SITE VISA VISIT IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

SO BY THE MOTION THAT I'M GONNA DO RIGHT NOW DOES NOT IMPEDE WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE A SITE VISIT.

SO, UM, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I'M GONNA MOVE AS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED WITH A STIPULATION THAT BRICK BE, YOU KNOW, RE AT ADDED OR REPAIRED WHERE YOU CAN FIND PROOF THAT IT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.

AND, AND ONE MORE STIPULATION, UM, AND, AND REPAIR OR REPLACE WOOD WHERE WE THINK ORIGINALLY WAS A WOOD FACADE.

WHAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU SAID WHERE BRICK WAS PREVIOUSLY OR ORIGINALLY? I SHOULD SAY PREVIOUSLY.

AND SO I CAN CONFIRM I'VE, I'VE SEEN IT LIKE THIS USED TO BE FULLY CLAD AND BRICK.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE MOTION WOULD ALLOW FOR.

YEAH, THE FRONT USED TO BE FULLY CLADDED WOOD BRICK.

WAS THERE A SECOND? IS THERE A SECOND? YES SIR.

IT FELL OFF ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.

PERFECT.

SO THAT GIVES THE OPTION TO DO IT.

OH, MAYBE.

AND ONE LAST STIPULATION, NO LIME WASH AS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE PORCH, THE LIME WASH.

I JUST REALLY, SO LET ME, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT MY COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND THE MOTION AND THEN I'LL MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS.

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THE SECOND, SECOND STANCE.

GO AHEAD.

SO YOUR REQUEST INITIALLY WAS TO REPLACE ALL OF THE BREAK ALL AROUND THE HOUSE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO NOT JUST REPAIR AND REPLACE BUT NOT FULLY HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE HOUSE.

WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DO THE WHOLE HOUSE.

ON THE FRONT, IF YOU FIND THAT, AND STABLISH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE SPACE THAT'S AROUND THE WINDOWS AND UNDERNEATH THE ROOF WHERE YOU FIND THAT THERE WAS BRICK, THIS MOTION IS ALLOWING YOU TO PUT BRICK ON.

ALSO WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY WOOD, AS WE SEE IN THE PICTURES, A SITE VISIT, IF YOU HAVE ANY, YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF.

IF STAFF SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DON'T SEE THAT THERE WAS BRICK THERE, OR YOU HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, YOU CAN ASK FOR A SITE VISIT.

WE CAN COME AND WE CAN COME BACK.

WE'RE NOT APPROVING FOR YOU TO DO THE WHOLE HOUSE OR REPLACING EVERYWHERE.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE NOT APPROVING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

THE FRONT PORCH.

YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THAT IF YOU WANT OR WE CAN GO FOR A SITE VISIT TO DISCUSS THAT.

ALL RIGHT? SO, SO JUST SO I, WE'RE NOW IN DISCUSSION, RIGHT? YES.

AND WE'RE NOW IN DISCUSSION.

SORRY, GO AHEAD MA'AM.

JUST SO I UNDERSTAND AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I GIVE THEM THE RIGHT DIRECTION TOO.

SO THE HOME HAD BRICK ALL THE WAY AROUND WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOME.

YOUR WORK WITH STAFF TO CLARIFY WHERE AND ALL THAT BEFORE ANY CONTRACTOR DO ANY WORK.

IS THAT OKAY? YES.

AND MR. CHAIR, I I WANNA ASK THE SURE.

OKAY SIR.

UM, STEPH, CAN YOU GO TO PAGE 27? I'M SORRY, I NEED CLARIFICATION ON YOUR MOTION.

'CAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REQUESTS, RIGHT? THE PORCH AND THEN THE EXTERIOR BRICK APPLIC.

SO AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, THE PORCH IS NOT APPROVED AND THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION SET TO REPAIR AND REPLACE ALL BRICK CLADDING OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE STRUCTURE, THAT IS NOT BEING APPROVED EITHER.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAID I MOVE AS STAFF RECOMMENDED WITH THE THREE STIPULATIONS.

WERE THEY CLEAR? OH, TO APPROVE AS STAFF RECOMMENDED? WELL, THEY DIDN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

YOUR MOTION SAID TO ALLOW BRICK WHERE IT WAS KNOWN TO PREVIOUSLY EXIST.

AND SO I CLARIFIED THAT WE KNEW THAT THIS HOUSE WAS PREVIOUSLY FULLY CLAD AND BRICK INCLUDING THE FRONT AND THE PORCH.

AND SO YOUR MOTION WOULD ALLOW THEM TO NOT FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

YEAH, BUT I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE REQUEST WAS THEY WANTED TO DO THE WHOLE HOUSE AND WE'RE JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FRONT.

SO, BUT THE MOTION IS IF YOU ALREADY KNOW, OKAY, I DIDN'T THINK IN THE, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THERE WAS WAS BRICK WHERE THE WOOD IS RIGHT NOW.

SO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT HOUSE USED TO BE ALL BRICK, SO YES.

Y YES.

AND NINE SECOND NINE UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT SHE SAID NOT, NOT, NOT THE WORD ORIGINAL, BUT THE WORD WHERE IT PREVIOUSLY WAS.

AND I WANNA ASK YOU A QUESTION.

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OH, THIS WALL HERE, IT HAD BRICK AND THEY TOOK THE BRICK OFF.

IT FELL.

SO YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE BOTTOM.

I GOT YOU.

BUT YES, IT ALL, THE HOUSE HAD BRICK.

SO, SO THE MOTION, THE MOTION WAS MADE ALREADY AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SUPPORTING Y'ALL'S INVESTIGATION AND APPARENTLY, I MEAN THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE WOULD GO AND VISIT, BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THAT THE BRICK FELL OFF FOR FREE AND YOU HAVE THE WALL EXPOSED THE WAY THAT IT IS TYPICALLY A BRICK WALL IS A, A COMPONENT OF THE WALL IN ITSELF.

IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.

THE BRICK WALL IS A SEPARATE ADD-ON AND WILL MOVE AT DIFFERENT RATES THAN THE WALL WILL.

UH, POSSIBLY THE REASON IT FELL OFF 'CAUSE IT WASN'T TIED TO THE WALL, WHICH IS UH, POTENTIALLY THE WAY ALL OF IT IS DONE.

AND THAT'S WRONG, VERY, VERY STRUCTURALLY WRONG.

SO YOU, Y'ALL SHOULD TAKE SOME TIME AND REALLY THINK ABOUT, UH, MAYBE LEARN TO, TO SEE THE BEAUTY IN THE WOOD.

UM, BRICK IS NICE BUT BRICK IS DONE THIS PARTICULAR WAY AND THIS IS NOT DONE THAT WAY.

OKAY, MR. CHI, I MAY ADD ON SOMETHING TO CLARIFY.

I ACTUALLY DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.

SO THIS MOTION ALSO LETS YOU LEAVE WHERE WOOD IS WOOD.

SO IF YOU HAVE WOOD CURRENTLY, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING WOOD IN THE FRONT BRICKS ON ONE SIDE OR ON ANOTHER SIDE.

THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

IT'S VERY COMMON.

IF YOU ALSO WALK AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WILL FIND IT.

HE HAS A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT.

YOU, YOU'VE CHANGED WINDOWS, YOU'VE CHANGED WALLS, AND THIS IS A HOUSE ON PIER AND BEAM THAT WILL MOVE.

SO WHAT YOUR CONTRACTOR IS QUOTING YOU IS ALSO NOT CORRECT.

YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALSO GET A QUOTE FOR HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE JUST TO REFURBISH THE WOOD THAT'S THERE EXISTING.

SO JUST, JUST TO SEND ADVICE.

TODAY IS THAT WE PROVIDE THEM AN UPGRADED VERSION OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS ON THAT HOME.

DID, DID YOU HAVE YOU WANNA HAVE A COMMENT? UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS WHEN YOU'RE PURCHASING A HOME AND ONE OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS AN OLDER HOME, IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT AND PURCHASING A BRAND NEW HOUSE WITH POOL TIER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THE WAY THE LOAN WORKS

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SOME OF THOSE ARE THE ELECTRICAL AND THE PLUMBING, THE WINDOWS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE PULLED PERMITS FOR AND GOT IT UPDATED.

ALONG WITH THAT IS ALSO THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE WALKED THE HOUSE, WE SAW THE BREAK THERE, WE ALSO UNDERSTOOD IT AS THAT'S WHAT THE HOME HAD EXISTING.

SO THAT'S ALSO CREATING A LAYER OF COMPLEX FOR MY HUSBAND AND I TO FIGURE OUT WITH HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK WITH THEM.

BECAUSE WHEN WE GOT THE HOUSE APPRAISED, BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS BRICKED ALL AROUND ORIGINALLY, AND MAYBE WE'RE JUST A ONE-OFF CASE OR THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS AS A COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE.

BUT AS YOU'RE PURCHASING A HOME IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WALK IT, YOU HAVE A LIMITED TIME TO CLOSE ON THAT HOUSE.

SO WE, THAT'S WHAT WE DID AND WE CLOSED OFF BASED ON WHAT THE HOUSE HAD.

AND THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY HAD BRICK, SO WHEN THE FINANCE CAME THROUGH, THEY'RE EXPECTING BRICK.

SO I AM GONNA HAVE TO NOW GO, IF THIS DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES THAT YOU GUYS ARE REQUESTING NOW TO TALK TO THEM ON HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE OF THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT HERE TODAY.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, SO WE'RE STATING THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE BRICK FELL MM-HMM .

RIGHT? AND SO THE HOUSE WAS APPRAISED OR YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE LOAN BASED ON THAT.

IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND PUT BRICKED IN, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARY 'CAUSE WE SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT IS NOW.

SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COST EARLIER MM-HMM .

THAT'S GOING TO ADD COST NO FOR YOU.

SO YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU FOLLOWING I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

OH, OKAY.

YOU'RE SAYING YES.

AND I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT THERE'S A CEMENT BARRIER, UM, THAT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSE THAT'S ALL AROUND AND IT'S THE SAME CEMENT BARRIER STRUCTURE THAT THE, THE HOUSE IS ON TODAY.

SO I, THE WAY IT WAS BUILT, UM, AND WE HAD IT LIKE LOOKED AT BY TWO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, UM, THEY TOLD US THAT, UM, IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY BETTER THAN WHAT THEY ANTICIPATED FOR THE TIMEFRAME OF THAT HOUSE.

AND THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT IF IT WOULD, SAME THING THAT IF WE WENT WITH THE BRICK IT WOULD BE CHEAPER.

BUT YES, THEY DID TELL US ALL HOMES IN PIER AND BEAM.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT WILL SHIFT AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE YEARS WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME MASONRY IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LIKE CRACKING OR CEMENT OR, SO WE ARE AWARE OF THAT.

UM, THEY DIDN'T TELL, THEY TOLD US THAT WE SHOULD SEE THAT ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20 YEAR MARK BECAUSE UH, IT TAKES LONGER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN THAT TYPE OF HOME.

SO THEY DID MAKE US AWARE OF THAT.

UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IT WAS MORE OF LIKE THE ACTUAL COST ITSELF FOR THE HOUSE AND THEN THE SURVEYS THAT CAME OUT BASED ON WHAT WE WERE FINANCED FOR.

SO, UM, ALONG WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE AND HAVING TO CHANGE OUT THE ELEVATION, UM, IT'S JUST LITTLE THINGS THAT WE WEREN'T, WE ACCOMMODATED TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES TO THE BEST THAT WE COULD WITH THE LOAN IN, IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUT BACK TO THE HOME.

AND THEN I AGREE WITH UH, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ THAT HE'S SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD GO BACK AND CONSIDER AND I AM GONNA TAKE THAT FEEDBACK BACK TO THE, UH, CONTRACTOR TO SEE AND ENSURE THAT HEY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS REALLY LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER TO LOOK AT THE, THE WOOD THEN AND AND USE WHAT WE CAN, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE? I THINK THE DEMO COST IS WHAT'S COSTING US MORE FOR THE BRICK THEN IT IS THEN THE ACTUAL WOOD SIDING ITSELF.

THEY, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT THE SAME PRICE AS FAR AS UM, MATERIALS GO.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.

YOU GOOD SIR? YES SIR.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.

UM, BUT JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WE'RE ABLE TO, IF THE BRICK WAS IN THE FRONT, WE WERE ABLE TO PUT BRICK BACK UP IN THE FRONT, CORRECT? CORRECT, CORRECT.

SEEING NO OTHER.

ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.

SO JUST WORK WITH STAFF.

UM, I MEAN YOU HAVE, I THINK YOU HAVE SOME LEEWAY HERE.

WELL I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME LEEWAY HERE BASED ON A MOTION HERE, SO JUST REALLY CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SENSITIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF AND SO, AND THEN JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT ARE UNNECESSARY, YOU KNOW, SO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT.

IT'S YEAH, BAD ENOUGH.

YEAH, THE WINDOWS OUT.

WE'RE A BIG, A BIG LUMP BUT NO, WE APPRECIATE IT.

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ANYWHERE WHERE IT FELL, WE'RE ABLE TO PUT BACK BRICK AS WELL IF YOU CHOOSE TO, BUT THERE'S WOOD THERE.

I UNDERSTAND.

SO, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.

YES SIR.

ALRIGHT, THAT WAS THE LAST CASE.

ONE LAST THING.

GO AHEAD.

FEEL FREE TO ASK STAFF IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SITE, ERC TYPE VISIT BY SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS.

TO LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS, MAYBE MAKE SOME OTHER OBSERVATIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.