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[9:00 AM – Call to Order]
MORNING.I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR FRIDAY, MARCH 20TH, 2026.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS GARCIA? REGARD? HERE.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JASON VASQUEZ, A ACTING CHAIR.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE CASE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, JUST A FIRST ITEM IS ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM, UM, LAST MONTH FEBRUARY.
WHAT IS THE DATE?
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 20TH, 2026 MEETING? SO MOVED.
CAN NEVER ROLL CALL PLEASE DAVIS.
I DON'T THINK I COULD APPROVE IT.
WE'LL MARK YOU AS ABSTAIN VASQUEZ AYE.
OKAY, NOW WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO YOUR SCREENS AND MONITORS.
UM, WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS ON THOSE ITEMS. UH, COMMISSIONERS.
WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
HELLO, THIS IS LULU FRANCOISE, CHAIRPERSON FOR THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD REVIEW COMMITTEE CALLING IN ON CASE NUMBER 0 5 3 4 15.
WILLOW, WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A FENCE THAT DOES NOT EXCEED A FOUR FEET, BUT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE WINDOWS INSTALLED IN 2020.
THIS APPLICANT SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO INSTALL WINDOWS AND AT THE TIME WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN THAT THE WINDOWS PRESENTED WERE NOT ONE OVER ONE.
WE CALL THIS OUT AT THIS TIME.
AND DURING THE FINAL COA THERE WERE ASSURANCES FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THE WINDOWS WOULD MEET HISTORIC ONE OVER ONE GUIDELINES.
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IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THIS ASSURANCE WAS NEVER MET AND WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICANT BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL THE HISTORICALLY CORRECT WINDOWS.WE UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT IS NOT IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD FOR AT THIS TIME FOR THE WINDOWS, BUT FOR THE FENCE.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION OR BE REVIEWED FOR THE HISTORICALLY CORRECT WINDOWS.
AND COMMISSIONER, IS THAT THAT CONCLUDES, UH, VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, EDWARD.
AND THAT ONE WAS FOR WHICH? THAT WAS FOR FOUR 15 WILLOW.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
WISH? WISHING TO PLENTY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS,I MAKE EMOTIONALLY ACCEPT THE CONSENT ITEMS. SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE REGARD? AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS, IT'S 1119 NORTH PINE, 9 31 HAYES, 3 32 FLORIDA IN FOUR 15 WILLOW, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION]
WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 0 6 9 6 0 1 BURNETT.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A BLACK ROD IRON FRONT YARD FENCE TO FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF THREE FEET, TWO INCHES.
TWO, TO INSTALL A LIMESTONE RETAINING WALL ELEMENT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY TO FEATURE NO MORE THAN ONE FOOT IN HEIGHT.
AND THREE TO INSTALL LIMESTONE PLANTERS AROUND THE SKIRTING AT THE SOUTH AND WEST FACADES OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, FRONT YARD FENCING AS SUBMITTED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF A LIMESTONE RETAINING WALL ELEMENT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING D STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF LIMESTONE PLANTERS ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH AND WEST FACADES.
THE REPLACEMENT OF THIS ELEMENT WITH THE PROPOSED LIMESTONE WOULD, WHILE MAINTAINING THE EXISTING HEIGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. GARRETT, A AMENS, IS ON VIRTUALLY, I'M GONNA BRING HIM IN AS A PANELIST NOW, UH, MR. A AMENS, CAN YOU HEAR US CLEARLY? YES, I CAN.
UH, SO MR. A AMENS, I'VE READ THE REQUEST ITEMS INTO THE RECORD AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, IF YOU HAVE THE EMAIL THAT I SENT, YOU CAN REFERENCE THOSE, SO IT MAY BE A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE.
UM, AS NOTED, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF YOUR FENCE AS YOU'VE PROPOSED.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE LIMESTONE RETAINING WALL ELEMENT AS YOU'VE PROPOSED.
UH, THE ONE THING THAT WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF, AND I'LL PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN NOW, UH, IS THE INSTALLATION OF THESE PLANNING THE PLANNERS, UH, ADJACENT TO THE FRONT FACADES.
UH, SO IF YOU, UM, WANNA PRESENT THAT ITEM SPECIFICALLY TO THE COMMISSION, YOU MAY DO SO NOW.
SO, UM, IN THIS, UH, IN THIS IMAGE HERE, I, I CAN SEE WHY THE, UM, THE REQUEST HAS BEEN TO NOT APPROVE THIS.
UM, IT'S NOT EXACTLY, IT'S THIS, THIS, THIS, UH, RENDERING OF THIS IMAGE IS, BRINGS THE SOIL LEVEL UP VERY HIGH ON THE SKIRTING.
SO WHAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, ORIGINAL OR CURRENT IMAGE OF THE HOME, UM, THE, THE LEVEL OF THE SOIL OR DIRT WILL NOT, WON'T EVEN GO UP.
UH, MAYBE, MAYBE ABOUT AN INCH BELOW THE VENTILATION OF THE SKIRTING.
AND I'VE DONE PLENTY OF THESE BOTH ON SLAB FOUNDATION IN HERE AND BEAM FOUNDATION.
AND WHAT BASICALLY WE WOULD DO IS, UM, DIG OUT ABOUT TWO, MAYBE ABOUT TWO INCH, MAYBE ABOUT TWO INCHES OF THE SOIL THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND REPLACE THAT WITH BASE THAT WILL GRADE DOWN TOWARD THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE UP TO THE, TOWARDS THE STREET, UH, TO KEEP THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MOISTURE OUT OF THERE.
BECAUSE TRUST ME, I AGREE WITH YOU, I DON'T WANT ANY MOISTURE RETENTION IN THERE THAT'S GONNA BE BAD FOR THE FOUNDATION.
UM, SO BY DOING THAT WITH BASE FOUNDATION UNDER THE PLANTERS, GRADING IT AWAY FROM THE HOME AND THEN USING, UM, USING SOIL TO, TO PUT THE PLANTS IN THERE WILL, UM, SHOULD, SHOULD NOT RETAIN ANY MOISTURE.
PLUS, UH, THOSE RETAINING WALLS
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WILL HAVE, UM, DRAINAGE, UH, IN THE BOTTOM OF 'EM.SO THAT'LL ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO WATER THAT, UH, WILL BE, YOU KNOW, UH, KEPT IN THOSE PLANNERS.
THANKS FOR YOUR, UH, SUBMISSION.
AND, UM, SO REALLY QUICK WE'RE GONNA START WITH QUESTIONING.
UM, SO THE HEIGHT OF THAT, YOU'RE NOT WISHING TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL RIGHT NOW? NO.
THE, THE ONLY, THE ONLY PORTION THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
SO, UH, I'M MAINLY, I'M MAINLY LOOKING AT THE, UH, SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CURRENT PLANTER KIND OF SLOPES DOWN ABOUT HALFWAY.
UM, BASICALLY WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS WHERE THAT STARTS TO SLOPE DOWN.
I'M GONNA KEEP THAT LEVEL ACROSS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT FIRST PANEL, UH, ON THE SKIRTING.
AND IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE LIKEWISE AROUND, UH, THE, THE BACKSIDE UP TO ABOUT THAT SECOND VENT THAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PICTURE THERE.
SO AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA GO UP AS HIGH AS IT SHOWS IN THAT PICTURE.
IT'LL BE BELOW THE VENTILATION OF THE SKIRTING.
SO I WOULD SAY MAYBE, MAYBE ABOUT A FOOT UP.
UH, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THAT SECOND, THAT SECOND BENT ON THE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE THERE, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT AS HIGH AS IT WILL, IT WILL GET
I'M GONNA OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
UH, ANY, I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? NOT AT, NOT AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, SO I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, IT, IT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH STAFF AGREES WITH, UM, THE REQUEST FOR ONE AND TWO AND, AND THREE IS THE ONLY ONE WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HEIGHT MM-HMM
SO I'M WONDERING, UM, IS THERE, UM, A WAY THAT UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE SEEK TO, UM, MAKE A, A MOTION HERE AND, AND MAKE A DECISION THAT WE COULD AGREE UPON A HEIGHT, UM, UH, EXPECTATION INSTEAD OF SAYING, UH, IT WON'T GO ABOVE THE, THE LAST, UM, YEAH, LIKE, COULD WE AGREE ON A, ON A, ON A ACTUAL MEASUREMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE BOTTOM SLAT OF THE, OF THE, YEAH.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT? NO.
SO THEN I GUESS A FOLLOW UP TO STAFF WOULD BE, EDWARD, COULD WE COME UP WITH A INCREMENT, AN ACTUAL MEASUREMENT AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE BOTTOM RING OF THE SITE? I THINK SO.
UM, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, YEAH, WHAT, UM, YES, WHAT I CAN DO IS, UH, TODAY I CAN GO OUT AND MEASURE, UH, THE HEIGHT.
AND AGAIN, I'M GONNA GO BASED OFF THAT LINE RIGHT BELOW, UM, RIGHT BELOW THE VENT.
SO IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU'RE AT.
UM, SO, AND ALSO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SIDE.
IT IS GONNA GO UP TO WHERE THOSE TWO, WHERE THE TWO WINDOWS ARE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOUR CURSOR AT EXACTLY.
UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, AND WE HAVE THE PERMITS THAT WERE ALL DONE FOR THAT, BUT THERE IS A FENCE THERE NOW THAT GOES UP TO THOSE TWO WINDOWS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THE PLANTER IS GONNA GO UP TO BUTTS UP AGAINST THAT FENCE.
SO IT'S ONLY GONNA GO UP TO RIGHT THERE.
UM, BUT YEAH, SO WHAT I CAN DO TODAY IS GO DOWN AND MEASURE, UH, MEASURE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT HEIGHT IS GONNA BE RIGHT THERE.
AND I CAN SEND THAT IN AND, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL CAN KIND OF LOOK AT IT FROM THERE AND REVIEW.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
WHAT IS, UH, AN APPROPRIATE HEIGHT? WOULD ANY KIND OF HEIGHT BE, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR GOING AGAINST THE WOOD LIKE THAT? I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY UP FOR THE COMMISSION TO DETERMINE, UM, THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT THERE'S CONCERN WITH PLACING, UM, UH, RIGHT PLANNING BEDS SKIRTING ADJACENT TO FOUNDATION SKIRTING.
AND AS STAFF HAS NOTED IN THE APPLICANT'S AGREED WITH, THERE IS A CONCERN REGARDING MOISTURE AND, AND PULLING MOISTURE AWAY FROM THE FOUNDATION.
SO, UH, REALLY THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMISSION.
I, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAY, YEAH, ONE HEIGHT OR THE OTHER WOULD WOULD BE BEST.
SO IF WE, UH, GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, CAN YOU WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, IN ORDER TO GET THE C OF A GENERALLY, BUT IT WOULD BE BEST TO HAVE PARAMETERS FOR A HEIGHT THAT WE COULD WORK WITHIN.
UM, THAT WAY WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES BACK WITH AN UPDATED DOCUMENT, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND SEE THAT IT'S, THIS IS ARBITRARY, A FOOT, A FOOT AND A HALF, TWO FEET, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
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UM, THAT'S GONNA GIVE STAFF SOMETHING TO WORK OFF OF.SO, SO WHAT IS THE CURRENT PLANTER HEIGHTS THAT THAT WRAPS AROUND THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? MR. A AMENS, CAN YOU ANSWER WHAT THE CURRENT PLANTER HEIGHT IS? UH, THE CURRENT HEIGHT IS, UH, IT'S RIGHT AT ABOUT NINE INCHES, 10 INCHES.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WHEN IT GETS AROUND THAT WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THE LAND SLOPES DOWN.
SO, UH, IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAN IT IS UP BY THE STAIRS OF THE, UH, FRONT PORCH.
SO, UM, AT, AT THE, THE HEIGHT OF NINE OR 10 INCHES, SO WHERE THE CURRENT PLANTER IS CLOSEST TO THE STAIR, UM, YEAH, STAFF HAS PREVIOUSLY SAID THAT WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH YOU REPLACING THAT IN THE CURRENT LOCATION MM-HMM
SO IF THE HEIGHT WHERE THE, THE PLANTER IS THE TALLEST ADJACENT TO THE STAIR, IF THAT HEIGHT WAS MAINTAINED.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO TRY MY BEST TO JUST NOTE HERE.
SO THIS HEIGHT RIGHT HERE, IF THAT HEIGHT WAS GENERALLY MAINTAINED AROUND, AND THIS IS VERY CRUDE, UM, WHAT APPROXIMATE HEIGHT DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND WHAT'S BEEN NOTED IS THE HEIGHT AT THE CORNER BY THE STAIR WILL BE CONTINUED ACROSS THE FRONT OR THE SOUTH FACADE THAT WILL THEN TURN AND RUN DOWN THE WEST FACADE AT A CONTINUOUS HEIGHT.
UH, SO, AND IDEALLY WHERE THE, THE WALL ENDS AT THE FENCE WOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS WHERE THE WALL IS OR THE SAME ELEVATION RATHER AS WHERE THE WALL IS ADJACENT TO THE STAIR, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WELL, UM, COMMISSIONERS A, A POTENTIAL MOTION MAY BE THAT THE TOTAL ELEVATION LEVEL OF THE WALL NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL OR THE ELEVATION LEVEL OF THE WALL ADJACENT TO THE, THE STAIR.
UH, THAT, THAT COULD BE ONE WAY TO, TO CRAFT THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD.
I, I'M ONLY GONNA BRING UP THE, THE CONCERN WITH THE MOISTURE TO THE, UH, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY STAFF MM-HMM
AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF ME, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
WHAT SAFEGUARD ARE WE GONNA BE PUTTING TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE MOISTURE, UH, AROUND THE, UH, BASE OF THE, OF THE FOUNDATION, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE, THE VENTS ARE THERE RIGHT? AND THE FLOWER BEDS ARE GONNA BE PUT ON THERE.
WHAT ADDITIONAL SAFEGUARD ARE WE LOOKING TO PUT ON THERE WITH THE CONCERN TO THE ADDITIONAL MOISTURE? YEAH, SO, UM, AS I STATED, I WAS GOING TO, I'M GOING TO USE BASE AS A FOUNDATION AROUND WHERE THE PLANTERS ARE GONNA BE THAT'S GONNA BE GRADED AWAY FROM THE HOUSE.
UH, THAT WAY IT GIVES IT A, A HARD FOUNDATION TO, FOR THE WATER TO RUN OFF.
UM, AND THEN IN THE BOTTOM OF THE PLANTERS, I WOULD SAY ABOUT EVERY, EVERY THREE, MAYBE EVERY THREE FEET OR SO, UM, THAT THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, IN THOSE PLANTERS OUT, UH, AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AS WELL, JUST TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, NO MOISTURE SITTING AROUND IN THERE BECAUSE THAT WILL, OF COURSE, THAT WILL HURT MY PEERING BEAM FOUNDATION PRETTY QUICKLY.
AND, AND IT, AND WE'RE LOOKING JUST NOT TO, NOT TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE VENT, RIGHT? WHAT'S THAT? JUST NOT TO EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF THE VENT, CORRECT? OH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
YEAH, IT'LL BE BELOW THE VENT YEAH.
UH, MY COLLEAGUE ON THE RIGHT.
UM, SEE IF I CAN GET MY, THERE WE ARE.
UM, WILL THERE BE, UM, WET SOIL IN CONTACT WITH WOOD? UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY SOIL IN CONTACT WITH WOOD TODAY, HOWEVER, UM, THAT IS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN ACTUALLY, UM, THAT I CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN TO HAVE A, UH, A BACKING UP AGAINST THE HOUSE WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE SKIRTING IS AT.
UM, PREFERABLY THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY HOW I WAS GONNA DO IT ANYWAYS, BECAUSE, UM, AS I DIG THROUGH THOSE FLOWER BEDS TODAY, HOW THAT WAS INSTALLED PRIOR TO ME PURCHASING THE HOME, UM, ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THAT SKIRTING DOWN THERE, ALTHOUGH IS IN GOOD SHAPE, AND IT, AND IT IS STILL, IT'S STILL INTACT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, RATHER STAINED UP AND KIND OF NASTY LOOKING.
SO MY IDEA WAS TO EITHER ONE, BRING THE, UH, BRING
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THE PLANTING SKIRTING THAT'S IN THE, THAT'S IN THE FLOWER BEDS TO PREVENT WEEDS FROM COMING THROUGH UP AGAINST THE, UH, UP AGAINST THE SKIRTING, OR USE SOME OF THE BUILDER'S PLASTIC, UH, ALONG THAT BACKSIDE TO, TO WHERE THE SOIL WILL GO UP AGAINST THE HOUSE.SO IT'S NOT JUST UP AGAINST THE SKIRTING OF THE HOME.
WELL, I HAVE NO PROBLEM AS LONG AS THERE'S, UH, NO WET SOIL AGAINST THE WOOD.
AND THAT, THAT SKIRTING, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT SKIRTING AROUND THERE, THE REASON IT HASN'T BEEN DAMAGED IS BECAUSE IT'S THE, UH, THE, IT'S THE HARDY PLANK SKIRTING, SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY, NOT EXACTLY THE WOODEN, IT SHOULD BE FINE AGAINST THAT, BUT JUST FOR A SAFEGUARD, I'M GONNA PUT THAT UP ANYWAYS.
I THINK WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO INSTALL SOME KIND OF PROTECTION FOR, FOR THE SKIRTING, UH, LIKE THE PLASTIC OR WHATEVER YOU MENTIONED MM-HMM
UH, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS? OH, GO AHEAD.
UH, MR. AMENS, JUST A, A COMMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN THAT EXISTING FRONT SOUTH BED IN FRONT OF THE FRONT PORCH.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT A GUTTER SYSTEM, SO MY GUESS IS THERE IS, OKAY.
SO I'M GUESSING IT'S CATCHING, UM, RAINFALL.
AND, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS FAIRLY SOON.
I DID NOT PUT IT IN THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS, FOR THIS APPROVAL, BUT, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, UH, HISTORIC, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR, FOR GUTTER SYSTEMS, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET INSTALLED FAIRLY SOON BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF A FLOWER BED OR NOT, THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT I WOULD SAY 75% OF THE ROOF LINE IS, IS GOING STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THE FOUNDATION.
SO, UM, FOR ME, FOR MY PROTECTION FOR MY HOME, NOT TO HAVE CRACKS ALL OVER THE WALL AND START SEEING A LOT OF THAT STUFF, UM, I REALLY WANNA GET SOME GUTTERS ON THIS HOUSE, UH, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, GENERALLY MR. A AMEN'S GUTTERS CAN BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF.
UH, SO I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT LATER.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, THERE'S A QUICK FOLLOW UP.
UM, IN, IN THE MEANTIME, AS YOU PLAN THE, UH, THE MORTAR AND UH, STONE BED ON THE WEST SIDE, UM, IF, IF THE WIDTH IS GOING TO, UH, EXTEND FAR ENOUGH OUT TO CATCH THE DRIP LINE ON THAT SIDE TOO, UM, IN THE MEANTIME, BEFORE YOU GET THE GUTTER SET UP, YOU MAY WANNA BE SURE YOU, UH, STRUCTURE YOUR, UH, WEEP HOLES FOR DRAINAGE, UH, SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM IN CASE YOU'RE CATCHING ANY SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS OVER THERE.
UH, WHERE AT, WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UM, ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, AND SOUTHWEST, I GUESS, BUT ESPECIALLY THE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IF MM-HMM
IF, IF THE, YOUR NEW BED IS GOING TO CATCH THAT, UH, OH YEAH, RAINFALL, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO HAVE THE, UH, NOT ONLY THE SLOPE, GRADE OF THE BASE, BUT ALSO THE, UM, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE, UH, PLANTERS THAT I PUT IN THERE.
SO, UH, WITH THOSE TWO AND, AND ON TOP OF THAT, A GUTTER SYSTEM, I MEAN, I THINK I'LL BE PRETTY, PRETTY SOLID.
UM, CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION, PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND, UH, I THINK, UH, JUST A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
I THINK WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE THAT, UH, WHAT EDWARD SAID ABOUT IT NOT EXCEEDING, UM, THE, WHERE THE, THE ORIGINAL FLOWER BED, LIKE THE EDWARD'S WORDING FROM EARLIER.
WELL, WELL, I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU JUST ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THEN THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE THE DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SO, UM, IF THAT'S THE, THE PATH FORWARD, THEN UM, THEY'LL WORK WITH THEM TO, TO FIGURE A HEIGHT.
WELL, SO I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF, IF THE MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION IS TO APPROVE THE PLANNERS, THEN UH, AN EASIER MOTION TO CRAFT WOULD BE APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO AS STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE THAN WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY NOTED.
UM, OTHERWISE, THE WAY THAT STAFF'S WRITTEN IT IS APPROVAL OF ONE AND TWO, DENIAL OF THREE WITH NO, WITH NO PLANTER BED ON THE WEST FACADE.
AND ONLY THE REPLACEMENT IN KIND OF WHAT'S ON THE FRONT.
DOES THE MOTION, UH, SO I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO, UH, GO WITH WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED.
SO THAT WAS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO AS SUBMITTED
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APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE PLANTER BED NOT EXCEED THE CURRENT HEIGHT AT THE SOUTH FACADE ADJACENT TO THE STAIR THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WEEP HOLES, PLASTIC, AND OTHER ELEMENTS TO PREVENT WATER RETENTION ADJACENT TO THE FOUNDATION SKIRTING.IS THAT FINE, COUNSEL? THANK YOU.
CAN I, DOES THE SECOND AGREE? SARAH, DO YOU STILL AGREE? I SECOND.
CAN EVERY ROLL CALL PLEASE, DAVIS? AYE REGARD? AYE.
I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, UH, LATER WITH YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP REGARDING THE FINAL DOCUMENTS NEEDED FOR THE, THE PLANNERS.
THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THEN IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, THEY'LL HAVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THIS IS CTAP CASE 2026 DASH 0 1 7 FOR ONE 15 EAST CAROLINA STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING PORCH SHINGLE ROOF WITH CORRUGATED METAL ROOF.
TWO, REPLACE THE EXTERIOR FRONT DOOR WITH NEW FIBERGLASS FRONT DOOR.
THREE, INSTALL ALUMINUM WINDOW SCREENS, AND FOUR, REPLACE ALL HISTORIC ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOW.
PRODUCT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF ON THE PORCH FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH.
OR STANDARD GAL BLOOM FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION.
RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION.
NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO.
BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FRONT DOOR BE REPLACED WITH A DOOR THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE.
A PROPOSED REPLACEMENT SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR A REVIEW PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDING F.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD SCREEN WINDOW FRAMES, MATCHING IN PROFILE SIZE AND DESIGN OF THOSE HISTORICALLY FOUND IN THE VICINITY.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL OR SALVAGED ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED ON THE STRUCTURE.
THE ORIGINAL TRIM AND SIL DETAIL SHOULD BE RESTORED.
THE APPLICANTS OCTAVIO AND ADRIANA, CAST RITA ARE HERE IN PERSON.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, YOU WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
AND THEN COMMISSIONERS, THERE IS A, UM, A FILE IN THE LATE FOLDER RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION FOR YOU.
MY NAME IS OCTAVIA CAST AND MY WIFE ADRIANA, CAST RITA.
WE OWN A PROPERTY IN ONE 15 EAST CAROLINA.
AND WE DECIDE TO DO THIS, UH, UPGRADES BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ONE, ONE OF THE FRONT TREES, UH, ACROSS THE, THE, THE FRONT DOOR, THE PORCH AND, AND THE WINDOWS THAT, THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT.
WE, WE SUBMIT SOME PICTURES, BUT WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT.
AND WE START IN THE PROCESS TO REPLACE THE FRONT BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THE FIRST THING THAT I ASKED IS MY WIFE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT COLORS WE CAN DO.
SO WE DO THE, WE YOU SEE RIGHT THERE WITH THE, THE, THE TWO THREES THERE, EVERYTHING FALL DOWN AND, AND IN THE MIDDLE DESTRUCTION AND, AND DESTROY PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
AND WE HAD TENANTS IN THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME, SO IT WAS, PRESS THE BUTTON, IT'S ON.
SPEAK INTO, OH, WE HAD, UM, TENANTS THERE AT THE TIME, AND IT WAS UNSAFE.
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THE DOOR AND THE PORCH HAD BEEN KNOCKED DOWN.I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE RIGHT HERE, BUT, BUT ANYWAY, WE, WE DECIDE TO REPLACE ALL THE STUFF BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE AT RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, UM, WE TRIED TO DO THE BEST THING THAT WE CAN DO.
AND ACCORDING TO ALL THE, THE NEIGHBORS AROUND, I, I SENT SOME PICTURES TO ADRIAN ABOUT THE WINDOWS THAT WE USE AT IT'S ALL OVER AT TWO BLOCKS AWAY AND EAST SIDE.
I SENT PICTURES OF ALL THE, ALL THE, UH, ALL THE WINDOWS THAT THEY SAW EXACTLY LIKE MINE, INCLUDING THE FRONT IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
NEXT TO THE NEXT TO US IS ALL THOSE WINDOWS THAT WE FIND OUT.
IT'S ONLY AROUND TWO BLOCKS AROUND OUR PROPERTY, AND IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME WINDOWS THAT WE PROVIDE.
WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT WE WAS GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
WE PUT THE SCREENS THE BEST WE CAN TO MATCH IT.
UH, SHE INCLUDED THOSE, ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE WINDOWS, ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE WINDOWS IN FRONT, IN FRONT OF MY, OUR PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT TO MY PROPERTY IS EXACTLY THE SAME WINDOWS.
AND I DON'T SEE NO SCREEN DOORS EXCEPT FOR THOSE METALS THAT THEY HAVE.
BUT ON THE SIDE OF THE CLOSET, ALL THOSE WINDOWS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
I DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEM ABOUT THE DOOR REPLACE THE DOOR.
THOSE DOORS, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE MORE THAN THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE COLONIAL, BUT THE, WHAT WE HAVE IS PROBABLY IS TOO FANCY, TOO, TOO MODERN, TOO MODERN.
BUT THE POINT IS WE DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEM TO REPLACE THAT WE, THAT DOOR.
AND THE, THE REASON WE PUT THAT DOOR IS A $600 DOOR IS BECAUSE WE HAVE IT, UH, AT THAT TIME.
AND WE HAVE THE DOOR AT THE TIME, AND WE HAD TO REPLACE IT FOR TENANTS TO GO IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, IT, WE DON'T HAVE NO TREES NO MORE BECAUSE WE, WE KNOCK ALL THE TREES DOWN JUST TO, JUST TO, UH, TO AVOID ANOTHER, ANOTHER INCIDENT.
AND AT THE TIME THAT THAT WORK WAS DONE, OUR SIGNS IN LA BACA ARE THE SIGNS IN LA BACA ARE BLUE SIGNS, NOT BROWN SIGNS, LIKE THEY DO IN KING WILLIAMS. SO WE WERE UNAWARE AS PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WE HAD TO DO ALL OF THIS.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME, SO WE WERE UNAWARE.
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO KNOW? UM, NO.
UM, THIS IS, UM, A VIOLATION CASE.
SO, UM, SO THERE ARE FINDINGS RELATED TO THAT, BUT THE, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS OR LETTER OR LETTERS RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION.
WAS WORK STOPPED IMMEDIATELY AFTER? YES.
AS SOON AS, UM, WE DID OUR INVESTIGATION, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS DID CONTACT US RIGHT AFTERWARDS AND THEN SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
SO THEY HAVE BEEN VERY COMMUNICATIVE, UH, WITH US.
SINCE WE ISSUED THE, UM, THE NOTICE OF INVESTIGATION.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? I JUST HAVE ONE.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT TWO BLOCK RADIUS AROUND THE HOUSE, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD? LIKE, ARE THEY ON THE EDGE OF A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, OR ARE ALL THESE PHOTOS WERE LOOKING AT FROM THE SAME? ALL IN THE HISTORICAL.
AND, AND THAT IS FOR STAFF, JUST FOR THE, FOR THE BOUNDS OF THAT DISTRICT.
LIKE IF THEY GO TWO BLOCKS OUT IN ALL DIRECTIONS, IS THAT STILL WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICT OR SO GOING, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE, THE, THE PACKET OR THE PICTURES THAT THE APPLICANTS PROVIDED DIDN'T PROVIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC ADDRESSES.
I DO HAVE IT, THEY HAVE PICTURE PICTURES OF THIS.
UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES.
SO ANYTHING BETWEEN PRESA AND 2 81 WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OF THIS HOUSE WOULD BE WITHIN THE LAVACCA DISTRICT.
BUT AS SOON AS YOU GET BEYOND PRESA, THEN THERE'S THIS, UH, CORRIDOR BETWEEN LAVA AND KING WILLIAM, WHERE THERE'S A FEW LANDMARK PROPERTIES.
BUT, UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THAT AREA IS NOT IN THE DISTRICT ANY FURTHER.
MS. DAVIS, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT.
HEY, JAMES, CAN WE PULL UP YOUR GEOGRAPHICAL MAP THE ROUND DOWN? SURE.
AND DO YOU WANT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, EXPLORER MAP, OR DO YOU JUST WANT GOOGLE
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MAPS? UH, MADAM CHAIR, UH, THE HISTORICAL MAP AROUND THEM, BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST A SMALL CORRIDOR.AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS HOW, HOW WOULD WE, WAS IT A REPORT MADE OF THE VIOLATION? BECAUSE ONE, THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ON RESTORING.
SO I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
I MEAN, WE KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO RESTORE THESE BUILDINGS.
THE OTHER THING TOO, IF IT'S A SMALL CORRIDOR, I WANNA KNOW HOW SMALL THE CORRIDOR IS AND THE PLACE NEXT TO THEM AND AROUND THEM PLEASE.
SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THE TWO DISTRICTS, MADAM CHAIR.
SO THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT IS ON THE RIGHT.
AND, UM, AND KING WILLIAM, OF COURSE IS ON THE LEFT.
SO YOU SEE RIGHT THERE THAT, UM, THAT CORRIDOR I WAS MENTIONING THAT BASICALLY GOES RIGHT ALONG PRESA.
UM, THAT'S THAT AREA THAT IS NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN EITHER DISTRICT RIGHT.
WITH A FEW LANDMARK PROPERTIES.
AND SO, AND THEIR PROPERTY IS RIGHT.
IF YOU CAN FOLLOW MY MOUSE, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
SO THEY JUST BARELY FALL INTO IT.
SO THEY, THEY ARE IN THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, MADAM CHAIR.
BUT, UM, BUT YES, SO ONCE YOU GET TO PRESA TO THE, TO THE NEXT INTERSECTION, THAT'S WHERE THE LAVACCA DISTRICT ENDS.
WELL, AND COMMISSIONERS, IF I JUST MIGHT ADD, THERE'S, THERE'S NO OVER HERE, THERE'S SUCH JUST THING AS, OH, I'M BARELY IN.
YOU'RE EITHER IN OR YOU'RE OUT.
I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I JUST, I MEAN, I'M, I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHERE IT STOOD AND I I AGREE WITH YOU.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF US COULD OUR ANSWER ROLL AND I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT.
ANYTHING ELSE, MADAM CHAIR? NO, NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT.
UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.
SO, AS WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE HOUSE, UH, YOU WEREN'T AWARE IT WAS WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, IT WAS OVER 30 YEARS AGO.
AND WE'VE DONE REPAIRS AND WE'VE DONE REPAIRS ON IT BEFORE.
WE BOUGHT IT BEFORE, AND IT WAS ABOUT 33, MAYBE 34 YEARS AGO THAT WE PURCHASED IT.
AND IT WASN'T UNDER THESE RULES.
AND WE HAD NOT UPGRADED ANYTHING SINCE, UNTIL WE HAD THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED.
AND WE COULDN'T JUST FIX PART OF IT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS ALSO THAT WE DECIDE TO, TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE WE PAY IN TAXES OVER $12,000 AND A $5,000 IN INSURANCE.
JUST IN THAT, YOU TALKING ABOUT OVER 1500, LIKE A MORTGAGE THAT WE HAVE JUST FOR THOSE TWO THINGS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE, WE DON'T CHARGE THAT MUCH TO COVER ALL THE STUFFS.
SO WE HAVE TO IMPROVE A LITTLE BIT.
SINCE THAT HAPPENED, WHEN THE TRIP HAPPENED, THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDE TO GET A LOAN AND, AND DO THIS BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE LOWER RENTS IN THAT AREA THAT THEY CHARGE SO MUCH IN TAXES RIGHT NOW, EVEN WHEN I GO TRY TO PROTEST, THEY GO BY THE WHAT THEY BUILDING AND THIS INCREDIBLE THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE ALSO DECIDE TO DO THIS.
AND NOT RIGHT NOW, AS, AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW, THE PROBLEM THEY, AND THE RENTS IS SO LOW RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE SIX, I HAVE ONE, ONE APARTMENT, SEVEN MONTHS, AND THE OTHER ONE IS FIVE MONTHS THAT WE CAN RENT IT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE FOR EVERY REASON IT'S NOW IN THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY, IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS, THE PRICES, THEY'LL GO DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY JUST TO HAVE TENANTS.
THEY OFFER, UH, TWO MONTHS RENT FREE BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO RENT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO, TO IMPROVE THE WINDOWS BECAUSE, AND THE DOOR AND THE, AND THE, THE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING SINCE, SINCE THE TREE CRASH IN OUR PROPERTY, JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN COVER ALL THOSE, UH, THE TAX AND TAX DEBTS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE TAXES AND STUFF.
SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE, SO WHERE DID THE TREE FALL? IN THE FRONT PORCH AND IT KNOCKED THE WINDOW AND THE PORCH DOWN AND BROKE THE DOOR.
THAT BIG TREE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
WITH ONE OF THE STORMS THAT WE HAVE.
I HAVE ONE PICTURE RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T SUBMIT IT TO ADRIAN, THAT HE'S
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BEEN HELPFUL HOW WE CAN, AND IT'S ONLY THE, THE FRONT PORCH, THE FRONT PORCH STANDING SEAM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.I SEE THAT IT USED TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL ROOF, THE THE ROOF AND TOP ROOF.
IT'S ALSO TALL GAUGE, UH, LAMINATE, WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE FOR ROOFING, AND THAT'S WHY WE DECIDE TO PUT IT UP.
THERE'S TWO TREES THAT FELL DOWN IN THE, IN AGAINST THE, AGAINST THE, UH, THE PROPERTY.
WELL, I WELL, I'LL ASK, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM ANYONE? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
I, I WAS A LITTLE, UM, CONFUSED ABOUT THE, THE STATEMENT JUST A MINUTE AGO WHEN THE HOUSE WAS, I GUESS IT COULD BE FOR THE APPLICANTS AS WELL, WHEN THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED, IT WAS NOT IN THE LA VACA DISTRICT.
IS IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? AND NOW IT IS IT, I I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT YOUR, YOUR STATEMENT A MOMENT AGO.
THAT MOMENT IT'S NOT, IT WAS NOT HISTORICAL.
IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T CONSIDERED HISTORICAL 33 YEARS AGO.
I DON'T HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
THIS PROBABLY WAS EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WHEN IT BECAME A DISTRICT MM-HMM
WHEN THEY STARTED REDOING ALL OF, OF THE SIDEWALKS AND THEN THEY CHANGED THE DISTRICT.
BUT IT WASN'T BEFORE, BUT, BUT IT WAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BY THE TIME YOU STARTED TO REMODEL THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR.
THAT WAS RECENT WHEN WE HAD THE ACCIDENT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE ACCIDENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE ARE FOUR REQUESTS HERE, AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING THE ROOF, BUT YOU SAID YOU, THE DOOR, YOU'RE NOT THE ROOF OVER THE PORCH, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE DOOR, RIGHT? YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE DOOR.
YEAH, WE TALKED WITH THE ADRIAN AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, DOORS THAT, UH, THAT WE CAN, UH, INSTALL, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING THAT ARE MORE HISTORICAL ACCORDING TO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S JUST THE PORCH ROOF AND THEN THE WINDOWS AND THE SCREENS.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE DOOR, THE FRONT DOOR IS IN THE PORCH, YES.
IN THE, IN THE, THE, THE PORCH ROOF HAS NOT BEEN DONE YET, IS THAT RIGHT? NO.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT HAS BEEN DONE? IT HAS BEEN DONE.
SO THE WINDOWS, THE, SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS, HAS BEEN FINISHED.
IT'S NOT THE WAY IT LOOKS VIOLATION.
UH, MR. GALLEGOS, COULD YOU REFRESH OUR MEMORY ON, ON THE NOTICE PROCESS WHEN A NEW POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT IS, UH, UNDERGOING A REVIEW? THE PROCESS AS IN THE PROCESS FOR WHEN A, UM, AN AREA BECOMES A HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT.
AND WHAT, WHAT THE REACH OUT IS, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS, AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE BEING NOTIFIED OF, OF THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE.
I MEAN, I COULD TELL YOU WHAT WE DO PROACTIVELY TODAY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE QUITE THE SAME AS WHAT HAPPENED IN 2001, BUT IT IS A CHANGE IN ZONING.
AND SO YOU WOULD RECEIVE THE OFFICIAL CHANGE OF NOTICE BY MAIL, UM, AS WELL AS THE POSTED SIGN.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE OPPORTUNITIES TO ATTEND THE ZONING HEARING AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.
A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION IS ALSO USUALLY SHARED TO THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION AT THE TIME.
UM, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, COMMENTS.
CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION, PLEASE? UH, I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL FOUR ITEMS AS WRITTEN.
CAN HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, DAVIS? AYE REGARD? AYE.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE STEPS FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEBODY.
UM, JUST KEEP JIGGLING YOUR MIND EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT THEY TIME OUT AND GET LOCKED.
BUT WE'LL COME AND UNLOCK THAT FOR YOU.
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THANK YOU.CAN I HAVE THE NEXT CASE PLEASE? YES.
SO THIS IS CTAP CASE, 2026 DASH 0 4 3 FOR 4 24 BURLESON STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FIVE FOOT TALL BLACK METAL FENCE WITH A DRIVEWAY GATE AT THE SIDEWALK.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH A FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FENCE DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AT ANY PORTION OF THE FINAL INSTALLATION.
THE APPLICANT, SARAH JONES, UH, IS ONLINE.
SARAH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE, UM, UH, 12 MINUTES TO SPEAK AND THEN I'LL, I'LL FLIP THROUGH THE CASE FILE AS, AS YOU PRESENT YOUR REQUEST.
DID YOU MAKE HER A PANELIST? ADRIAN? OKAY.
SO, UM, SARAH, UH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, I CAN DO IT NOW.
CAN YOU YES, GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? IT? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.
UM, AND JUST LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN'T HEAR ME AT ANY POINT.
I'M ON MY PLANNING CONFERENCE AND I AM RIGHT BY THE CAFETERIA.
UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR SPEAKING WITH ME TODAY.
I AM SORRY I COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON.
UM, OUR MAIN GOAL IS WITH THE FIVE FOOT FENCE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE IMAGE, UM, IS SAFETY.
WE'VE HAD, UH, SEVERAL SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT SECURITY OVER THE YEARS.
WE'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE ABOUT NINE YEARS, VEHICLE BREAK-INS, VANDALISM, UM, THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF STOLEN PACKAGES, ROCKING CHAIRS TAKEN.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE THEFT AND VANDALISM, WE'VE HAD SOME DISTRESSING INCIDENTS.
A PACK OF DOGS KILLED ONE OF OUR ANIMALS ON OUR PORCH.
UM, ANOTHER OCCASION SOMEONE CAME ONTO OUR PORCH WEARING A BULLETPROOF VEST CARRYING A GUN CASE AND BANGING ON OUR DOOR WHERE WE HAD TO CALL THE COPS TO GET HIM TO LEAVE.
UM, AND WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL KNOCKING ON OUR WINDOWS, SHINING LIGHTS INTO OUR HOME LATE AT NIGHT.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND TYPICALLY A FOUR FOOT FENCE WOULD KEEP THOSE THINGS OUT FOR THE MOST PART, AND I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK IN THE IMAGE, YOU CAN SEE OUR NEIGHBOR HAS A RED AND, UM, STONE RETENTION WALL.
AND AT THE PEAK HEIGHT OF THAT RETENTION WALL, IT'S ABOUT JUST UNDER THREE FEET.
SO IF WE INSTALLED A FOUR FOOT FENCE, THERE WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT ONE FOOT OF A BARRIER BETWEEN US AND ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO COME INTO OUR YARD.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A FIVE FOOT FENCE FOR THAT ADDED LEVEL OF SAFETY.
UM, AND THAT'S THE MAIN REASON, JUST BECAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT IS THEIR RETENTION WALL.
UM, BUT IT IS A VERY WIDE RETENTION WALL.
ANYONE COULD JUST WALK RIGHT INTO OUR YARD, STEP DOWN INTO IT, AND ONLY HAVE TO WALK OVER ABOUT A FOOT OF A FENCE.
UM, SO THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE'D LIKE TO RAISE IT TO FIVE FEET.
UM, I ALSO, THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES ON OUR BLOCK AROUND OUR AREA IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE JUST WENT WITH A WALK ON WITH OUR DOG TWO DAYS AGO, COUNTED 10 ON OUR SURROUNDING BLOCK THAT ARE FIVE FEET OR HIGHER.
UM, WE HAVE A PERSON AT THE END OF OUR STREET WITH A SIX FOOT TALL CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND THEIR ENTIRE YARD, FRONT AND SIDE YARD.
UM, I CAN PROVIDE THOSE ADDRESSES AND PICTURES IF NEEDED.
UM, BUT THEY WERE ALL WITHIN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, SO WE COUNTED AT LEAST 12 WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE.
IS THERE ANYTHING STAFF HAS TO ADD TO THIS? UM, NO.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU KNOW, OUR GUIDELINES STIPULATE, UM, A FOREFOOT, UM, HIGH FENCE IS, IS APPROPRIATE AND IS IS WITHIN GUIDELINES.
SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE ONLY STIPULATION BEING THE FOREFOOT REQUIREMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES ON MY LEFT ONLINE? NO.
UM, MS BYTES AREN'T, OR MS. BYTES,
UM, MA'AM, AREN'T YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE, I KNOW YOU HAVE ALL THOSE SAFETY CONCERNS AND THEY SOUND HORRIFYING, BUT ARE YOU CONCERNED IT LOOKS LIKE A, A PRISON WITH THE, THAT HEIGHT? NO, ACTUALLY I, THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE ON PINE STREET THAT HAS THE SAME EXACT FENCE AND IT DID LOOK REALLY NICE.
OH, AND MY PLAN IS TO PLANT SOME VINES ALONG IT AS WELL.
UM, AND THEY'LL GROW UP AND THAT WAY IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT GREENER.
UM, BUT NO, I I FEEL THAT IT, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE A PRISON.
I HAVE A COUPLE, UM, PICTURES OF THE VERY SIMILAR FENCE.
SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW ANOTHER TERM TO USE
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YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE GOING OVER SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF FENCES.I CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE THE ONES WITH THE SPIKES AT THE TOP.
'CAUSE THOSE KIND OF, UH, CONCERN ME.
AND I, I DO GET THAT TYPICALLY A FOUR FOOT FENCE WOULD LOOK GREAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT BARRIER, IF, UM, I WISH THE PICTURE WAS A LITTLE BIT WIDER, OUR NEIGHBOR'S RETENTION WALL, THEY LITERALLY COULD JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR YARD, WALK RIGHT OVER THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE OUR CAR WILL BE PARKED.
WE DO SEE YOUR POINT WITH THE FOREFOOT FENCE, DEFINITELY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AND THE SLANT OF OUR, UM, THE STREET THAT WE'RE ON, KIND OF MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THAT TO FEEL EFFECTIVE.
UM, AND THIS IS SO ADRIAN ON, I'M LOOKING FOR THE PICTURE, I GUESS OF THE HOUSE FROM THE FRONT ON.
IS IT GOING ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN ALONG THE, OF COURSE THE SIDEWALK? YES, CORRECT.
SO I, I'VE PULLED UP GOOGLE MAPS JUST TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A WIDER VIEW.
UM, BUT YES, SO IF WE LOOK AT THAT SIDE PLAN AGAIN, SO ON THAT VAN BOX, THAT PICTURE, SORRY.
BUT YEAH, SO THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IT AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY LINE OF THE FRONT.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'LL CONCLUDE OUR COM UH, QUESTIONS? ANY COMMENTS? COMMENT? ANY COMMENTS ONLINE? CHRIS? CHRIS? OH, GO AHEAD CHRIS.
UH, IS, IS YOUR DRIVEWAY THE ONE ON THE RIGHT AS WE FACE THE HOUSE? UM, AS YOU FACE THE HOUSE, IT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT WITH THE KIND OF PINKISH, CRUSHED GRAVEL ALONG THAT RED RETENTION WALL.
SO, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING, UM, ON THAT SIDE THAT, UM, THE FENCE YOU WOULD BE INSTALLING WOULD BE, UH, JUST INSIDE THE, THE RED AND STONE RETAINING WALL OF YOUR NEIGHBOR? YES.
AND WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR, UM, ABILITY TO USE THE DRIVEWAY? SO THAT'S THE REASON WE WANTED TO EXTEND THE GATE TO THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE OUR DRIVEWAY GETS VERY NARROW.
UM, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PARK OUR CAR INSIDE THAT GATE, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO EXTEND IT OUT.
BUT YES, WE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO USE OUR DRIVEWAY, BUT NOT THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF IT, JUST THAT FRONT PORTION.
'CAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE CAN BARELY DRIVE BACK IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE RETAINING WALL ON OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
ANYTHING ELSE? IT'S JUST THAT WE DID HAVE A QUESTION.
IF THERE ARE SO MANY, THERE'S LOTS OF FIVE FOOT, UH, FENCES RIGHT ON OUR STREET AND AROUND OUR AREA WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, HOW WERE THEY, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE STIPULATION WITH THEM? WHY WERE THEY ABLE TO HAVE A FIVE FOOT FENCE? AND THE RECOMMENDATION NOW IS FOUR? JUST CURIOUS OUT OF CURIOSITY.
WE, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE WHEN THEY HAPPENED AND WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE.
IT IS, IT IS POSSIBLE, UM, THAT FIVE FEET MAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR OTHERS.
UM, IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THESE FENCES WERE DONE AS A VIOLATION NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
UM, AND JUST WERE NEVER ENFORCED.
UM, SO THE CIRCUMSTANCES WILL VARY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A THIRD THING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IS THAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVED FOUR FEET AND THEY APPEALED SUCCESSFULLY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND GOT THE ADDITIONAL GOTCHA.
UM, CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION.
MAY ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A SECOND? UH, I SECOND A MOTION.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS NAY REGARD? AYE.
MS. JONES, PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON, UH, NEXT STEPS.
NEXT CASE, CASE NUMBER EIGHT ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
AGENDA 2 0 2 6 DASH 0 6 1 21 29 WEST MULBERRY AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 10 HISTORIC ONE OVER ONE WOODEN WINDOWS WITH AN ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOW.
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STAFF RECOMMENDS REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS 20 D, 20 E, AND 25 WITH A WINDOW PRODUCT THAT MEETS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT.BASED ON FINDINGS, A THROUGH C STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS 10, A 10, B 20, A 20 B, 20 C, 26, AND 50.
INSTEAD, STAFF RECOMMENDS REPAIR, HOWEVER, DURING REPAIR OF SASHES OR OTHER INTEGRAL ELEMENTS ARE FOUND TO BE ROTTED BEYOND REPAIR.
THE APPLICANT MAY CONTACT STAFF WITH THE FINDINGS TO DISCUSS REPLACEMENT ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, HOMEOWNER STELLA DIAZ HERE, AS WELL AS, UM, THIS GENTLEMAN FROM PELLA.
UH, SO BOTH OF YOU CAN APPROACH THE DAIS AND YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE.
UM, AND DID WRITE A LITTLE PIECE.
SO WE'VE, UH, SUCCESSFULLY WORKED WITH THE NATIONAL PARK AND SERVICE, UM, ON OLD THE OLDEST HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE COUNTRY.
UM, LOCALLY AND RECENTLY, WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS ON THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, AS WELL AS THE YOUNG WOMAN'S ACADEMY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MS. DIAZ'S RESIDENCE.
UH, WE ARE WANTING, UH, AND PROPOSING THE SAME STYLE WINDOW, WHICH YOU SEE HERE, UM, FOR HER RESIDENCE.
UM, AND WE JUST FIGURE THAT IF IT'S IN THE SAME HISTORIC DISTRICT, MONTICELLO, UM, ALL WITHIN A FEW, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE RADIUS, UM, WHY MS. DIAZ, A SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT HOMEOWNER, UH, WHO'S PAID TAXES FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, NOT ABLE TO ENJOY THE SAME WINDOWS IN HER HOME.
UM, I BROUGHT A VINYL WINDOW AS WELL JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, RESPECT AND APPRECIATE THE INITIATIVE TO MAINTAIN THE ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE OF THE HOME.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT EVEN LE LEADING WITH THAT.
WE ARE LEADING WITH THIS, UH, PELLA RESERVE IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY NICE UNIT.
THE WAY THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO, TO INSTALL IS, UH, A POCKET INSTALL RETROFIT.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DISRUPT THE INTEGRITY OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME.
A LOT OF THE WINDOW WILL REMAIN, WILL REMOVE THE SASHES, WHICH ARE DETERIORATED.
Y'ALL HAVE PHOTOS, I'VE PROVIDED PHOTOS AS WELL.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE MAIN GOAL IS TO REPLACE THIS WITH SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, APPROPRIATE OF COURSE, AND IT'S GONNA ENHANCE HER COMFORT AND HER SECURITY, WHICH IS, UH, HER PRIORITY.
AND THIS IS MY SON THAT LIVES, UH, WE LIVE AT THE SAME PROPERTY.
AND SO I WANTED SORT OF PAINT A PICTURE OF WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.
UM, I HAVE BEEN A HOMEOWNER OF 21, 29 SINCE TWO, THE LATTER PART OF 2009.
SO THIS HOME WAS BUILT IN 1935.
IT IS PRIMARILY LIMESTONE IT TO MY UNDERSTANDING.
THE WINDOWS ARE THE ORIGINAL ONES.
AND OVER TIME, BECAUSE OF THE WAY, IF YOU CAN SHOW THE FRONT AND THE SIDES, THE WINDOWS THAT I'M LOOKING AT ARE ON, LITERALLY ON ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THERE ARE 10 WINDOWS, TWO OF THEM FACING THE SCHOOL THAT WAS JUST 200 FEET AWAY THAT WERE COMPLETELY, UH, REDONE.
BUT THOSE TWO WINDOWS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE WAY THAT THE WATERFALLS AND THE, UM, WHAT DO THEY CALL THE GUTTERS? UH, ALL THE WATER FALLS RIGHT ON OVER THE WINDOWS.
UH, AND EXCEPT FOR PROBABLY TWO OF THE THREE OF THE WINDOWS THAT, UH, MISS, UH, BROWN, UM, DID NOT IDENTIFY AS, AS BEING, UH, NEEDED TO CHANGE.
SO, UM, UH, MS. BROWN CAME TO DO A HOME SITE VISIT AND SHE DID A LOVELY, UM, JOB AT TAKING PICTURES.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PICTURES REALLY DON'T, UH, PAINT A GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT I DEAL WITH.
AND I DID SUGGEST THIS TO MS. BROWN BECAUSE YOU, THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONAL.
YOU CAN'T OPEN THEM WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THE WINDOW, FALLING APART.
THE WINDOW, THE GLASS IS COMING OUT, THE GLAZING IS COMPLETELY SHOT ON PROBABLY SEVEN OF THE WINDOWS.
ALL THE FRAMING, UH, YOU, THERE'S ROD ALL THE WAY AROUND.
UH, UH, SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT MISS, THIS IS THE INSIDE OF MY HOUSE.
I LITERALLY HAVE TO PUT, UM, THAT, UH, FLANNEL MATERIAL.
I'M IN MY, I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN.
UH, MY SON PRESENTLY LIVES WITH ME.
HE'S NOT GONNA BE THERE, UH, MUCH LONGER.
AND SO I HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UH, THIS IS FACING THE STREET.
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UM, I HAVE TO PUT TOWELS AGAINST MY WINDOWS BECAUSE I EITHER GET THE HOT OR THE COLD AND MY ELECTRIC BILL IS HIGH.AND MORE THAN ANYTHING, I, I HAVE TO, I'M EITHER COLDER OR, OR HOT.
THOSE WERE NOT APPROVED BY THE WAY.
SO, AND, AND I DID TALK TO MS. BROWN AND I SPECIFIED FROM THE STREET.
AND PART OF IT IS THAT THE STONE, THE, THE WAY THEY SIT IN THE LIMESTONE, YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL UNTIL YOU ARE GET CLOSE UP OR YOU TRY TO OPEN AN WINDOW.
I HAVE NOT OPENED UP THOSE WINDOWS IN MORE THAN FIVE YEARS.
SO, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT OF THE 10 THAT I REQUESTED, PROBABLY, UH, THREE OF 'EM, I, I AGREE WITH MS. BROWN THAT WE COULD PROBABLY, UH, FOR BEAR THOSE.
BUT THE FRONT WINDOWS THAT ARE FACING THE STREET, I HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH BECAUSE AGAIN, SAFETY, UM, ENERGY, UH, EFFICIENCY OR LACK OF EFFICIENCY.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVATION.
SO I WANT THIS BOARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS A HOMEOWNER, AS A TAXPAYER, AND AS SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE RULES OF THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT I HAVE A HARD TIME, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE LACK OF FLEXIBILITY AND THE RIGIDITY OF PRESERVING SOMETHING THAT IS NO LONGER PRESERVABLE.
OKAY? SO, UH, I'M GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME IF IT'S RECOMMENDED TO REPLACE THIS.
WHERE AM I GONNA GET THESE? I HAVE CHECKED NUMEROUS PLACES.
I CANNOT REPLACE THESE WINDOWS OTHER THAN SOME OF THE MATERIALS.
AND, AND PELLA WAS REALLY THE ONLY COMPANY THAT I COULD FIND THAT COME AS CLOSE TO WHAT IS NEEDED.
AND THEN THE OTHER IS, UH, I HEARD THAT IF THE WINDOWS ARE 50% OR MORE DAMAGED, THAT THEY ARE, UH, QUALIFIED FOR BEING REPAIRED.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW AND WHAT OBJECTIVITY YOU HAVE IN SPECIFICATIONS AS TO HOW YOU MEASURE THAT.
SO I WAS NOT GIVEN THAT BY MS. BROWN.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN WRITING.
I SAW THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU HAVE AND THEY'RE PRETTY BROAD.
UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHY, UH, ESPECIALLY THE TWO FRONT ONES IN ADDITION TO THE THREE THAT SHE RECOMMENDED, I THINK NEED TO BE RECONSIDERED.
UH, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I THINK YOU COVERED IT, SO I'M FINISHED WITH THAT.
UH, STAFF, CAN YOU ADD TO, TO WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE CONDITION, ABOUT YOUR OBSERVATIONS ABOUT INSPECTION? 'CAUSE SHE'S, UH, QUESTIONING, UH, YOUR FINDINGS.
SO, SO I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO REBUT THAT.
UM, I DID GO ON SITE AND, YOU KNOW, WE INVESTIGATED ALL OF THE WINDOWS TIN IN QUESTION.
UM, AND THE GUIDELINES ARE CLEAR IN THAT IF IT IS 50% OR MORE DETERIORATED, RIGHT? LIKE THAT'S KIND OF EASY FOR ME TO LOOK AT AND QUANTIFY, RIGHT? UM, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCLUSION WE CAME TO.
THERE ARE THREE THAT ABSOLUTELY, UH, ARE MORE THAN 50% DETERIORATED.
UH, THERE'S A GOOD CHUNK THAT ARE ALSO, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY DE DETERIORATED, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE MORE THAN 50%.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE CERTAINLY REPAIRABLE.
UM, AND SO REALLY I THINK THAT FOR THOSE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE THAT ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DETERIORATED, THIS IS WHERE YOU COME INTO PLAY TO DETERMINE DID STAFF GET IT RIGHT THERE? UM, IS IT SENSIBLE? UM, IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE ALSO MADE SURE TO SAY DURING THE REPAIR PROCESS, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS GOES, THINGS ARE COVERED WITH PAINT.
I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE X-RAY VISION.
UM, AND THERE IS A A, A GOOD CHANCE THAT ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEY ARE IN FAR POORER SHAPE THAN YOU KNOW, YOU CAN JUST SEE WITH YOUR EYE.
UM, SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF HOW WE EVALUATE THESE THINGS.
AND IF, LET'S SAY ONCE THEY GET INTO WORKING ON THOSE WINDOWS, UM, IF THEY ARE MORE THAN 50%, UH, YEAH, CRUMMY, THEY COULD COME BACK AND SAY, STIPULA, SAY WE'VE TION THE PAST.
THAT KIND OF GIVES THEM FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH A CONTRACTOR AND THEN COME BACK WITH US ONCE THEY'RE KIND OF IN IT, UM, WITH MORE INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEN I WILL SAY, LIKE THE QUESTION TODAY IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A GOOD REPLACEMENT.
IT IS LIKE, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH TOP OF THE LINE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS, THIS IS THE TYPE OF, UM, WINDOW THAT WE WOULD WANNA SEE.
I THINK IT'S JUST A QUESTION ABOUT, COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT LOUDER, SIR? YEAH.
I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION IS REALLY, UM, DO, DOES THE LEVEL OF DETERIORATION WARRANT FULL REPLACEMENT, UM, FOR ALL THE WINDOWS, OR DO WE NEED TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THIS WINDOW? NOT THIS ONE.
OR IF THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT FOR THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE.
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OKAY.I GO BACK TO THE POINT OF THE TWO WINDOWS, AND, AND I AM SORRY TO DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
SHE SPENT, UH, A LOVELY HOUR THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T OPEN A SINGLE WINDOW.
SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO DEAL, AND SHE'S NOT A WINDOW EXPERT.
SO I HAVE PELLA HERE THAT IS A WINDOW EXPERT.
NO MEASUREMENTS WERE TAKEN, THE WINDOWS WERE NOT OPENED.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A SCOPE OF MS. BROWN'S JOB, IT'S ALSO MY RESPONSIBILITY AND IN MY BEST INTEREST, UH, THE SAFETY, THE, UH, THE EFFICIENCY.
AND I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY.
AND I DID THAT VOICE THAT TO YOU.
UH, I AM A SINGLE, UH, PARENT, AND I HAVE BEEN, AND, AND ONCE MY SON MOVES, IT'S GONNA BE JUST ME.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, VARIOUS THINGS AND, AND, AND I'M LOOKING, OKAY, PRESERVATION.
IN 10 YEARS, THESE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE SHOT.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
SO AGAIN, I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO RECONSIDER THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS.
I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER THREE THAT YOU DID, YOU KNOW, THE ONES ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT THOSE TWO FRONT ONES FACING, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY'RE FACING A SCHOOL THAT THEY JUST, THAT I'M LITERALLY 200 FEET AWAY THAT HAVE BRAND NEW WINDOWS THAT I BELIEVE PAULA I HAVE INSTALLED.
UH, SO THEN YOU WERE ALSO MENTIONING THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE BROAD.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING BROAD? BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC.
UM, AND GIVE CHA GIVE STAFF A CHANCE TO, WELL, THERE ARE SPECIFIC IN THAT THE RAW, BUT I MAYBE A BETTER WORD IS IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A SUBJECTIVE DECISION ON THE PART OF MS. BROWN.
AND SO THIS IS WHERE WE DIFFER BECAUSE YES, THERE WAS ROD OF THE WOODS.
THE WINDOWS ARE ABOUT TO FALL.
NOW THE GLAZING IS COMPLETELY SHOT FOR ME TO FIND WINDOWS, UH, TO REPLACE THOSE.
VERSUS P AND IT'S NOT ABOUT PAULA, IT'S ABOUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT MIGHT NOT BE PELLA, I, WHERE AM I GONNA FIND WINDOWS TO REPLACE OR TO REPAIR OR FIND SOMEBODY THAT CAN TRULY FIX THIS WHEN SOME OF THOSE ARE NOT FIXABLE.
AND AGAIN, I HAVE LIKE 22 WINDOWS.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR ALL I UNDERSTAND THAT I LIVE, I PURCHASED A HOME IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UH, AGAIN, I'M QUESTIONING THE TWO FRONT ONES THAT WERE NOT APPROVED.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT FACED AND THEY ARE LITERALLY FALLING APART.
AND I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ? YES, MA'AM.
UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO REFER BACK TO WHAT STAFF SAID, AND, UH, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MS. BROWN MADE, AND IF YOU'LL TAKE A REVIEW ON, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A WALK THROUGH THE IMAGES THAT WERE PROVIDED
BUT IF YOU'LL TAKE A, A LOOK AT SOME OF THE WINDOWS, SOME OF THE WINDOWS, MS. BROWN WAS OF COURSE NOT ABLE TO ABLE GET INTO THE WINDOW TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THEM.
BUT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE STAFF MADE, UM, AND CORY ACTUALLY ALLUDED TO IT AS WELL, IS THEY'RE NOT DENYING THAT THE WINDOWS NOT BE REPLACED, BUT IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO REVIEW IT MM-HMM
IF ADDITIONAL NEED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE REPLACEMENT, AND AGAIN, STAFF ACTUALLY MADE REFERENCE THAT PALETTE, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE COMPANY'S BEING REFERRED TO, IS ACTUALLY THE HIGHLY RECOMMENDED ONE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IN THE FINAL REVIEW.
AGAIN, I THINK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE STAFF IS MAKING, IT'S NOT THE DENIAL, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE IN.
AND AGAIN, MAKING REFERENCE TO THE SAFETY OF THIS, OF THE CITIZEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I THINK WHAT STAFF HAS DONE IS ACTUALLY GONE ABOVE TO AN AMENDMENT TO BE ABLE TO SAFEGUARD THE, THIS APPLICANT AS WELL AS SAFEGUARD THE MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT THE DENIAL.
IF I COULD, UM, SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE GUIDELINES.
THERE ARE SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
SPECIFICALLY, THERE ARE ALSO SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE WINDOW, OR EXCUSE ME, THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT DO STIPULATE THAT THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT IS FULLY WOOD.
AND SO WHILE THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE PRODUCT, IT TRULY IS CORY'S, RIGHT? THIS IS TOP OF THE LINE.
UM, THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT WHAT THE SPECIFICATIONS CALL FOR IN A REPLACEMENT SITUATION HERE, WE, WE STIPULATE THAT A FULLY WOOD
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REPLACEMENT IS USED THAT COULD BE SALVAGED, THAT COULD BE NEW.SO, AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO ASK NO, AND CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING TO REPLY TO THAT? IF YOU LOOK AT THE WOOD, HOW MUCH, THAT'S A GREAT PERCENTAGE OF WOOD.
THE ONLY THING THAT IS FACING THE STREET THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL FROM A DISTANCE IS THE ALUMINUM CLAT.
AND THAT'S REALLY TO PROTECT THE WOOD.
BUT THE WOOD IS, UH, I MEAN IT IS A WOOD WOODEN WINDOW.
AND, UM, SO, SO, UM, AND I WOULD LIKE CON TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE APPROVED ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND THEY DID COME THROUGH THE, OR THEY DID GO THROUGH HDRC TO GET THAT APPROVED AT THE YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.
SO IT WAS APPROVED, IT WAS VETTED, AND THERE'S NO QUESTIONING.
WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A DOUBLE STANDARD, MA'AM.
THEY WENT THROUGH THE APPRO HISTORIC APPROVAL PROCESS, NOT THIS BODY, BUT THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND SO LET'S KEEP THAT OUT OF IT.
NOW, DID YOU CONSULT WITH A HISTORIC WINDOW SPECIALIST? 'CAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL WITHIN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAN ACTUALLY RESTORE WINDOWS LIKE THIS.
AND THERE ARE MANY SPECIALISTS ACROSS SAN ANTONIO THAT CAN RESTORE WINDOWS THAT ARE LESS THAN 50% OR WHATEVER PERCENTAGE.
UM, I HAVE NOT, UH, MS. BROWN GAVE ME ONE.
I HAVE CALLED, UH, PUTTY INDOORS.
I'VE NOT, OR WIND PUTTY, PUTTY AND POINTS.
UM, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY I'VE CALLED, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AWARE OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CAN, SHE GAVE ME A COUPLE OF PLACES.
UM, BUT WE WERE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF THIS HEARING.
THERE'S SOME IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ACTUALLY.
AND, UM, YEAH, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO GET WITH THEM, TO GET A TRUE, UH, EVALUATION.
BECAUSE YES, MS. BROWN IS DOING HER JOB AND SHE IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT MS. BROWN, LET ME SPEAK.
PLEASE DO NOT INSULT HER INTELLIGENCE.
AND THEN, NO OFFENSE TO THE PE GUY, BUT HE'S DOING HIS JOB AND TRYING TO SELL YOU WINDOWS.
AND WE NEED A TRUE HISTORIC WINDOW SPECIALIST TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND AT LEAST EVALUATE AND GIVE YOU A FAIR ESTIMATION.
NOW, IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'RE TELLING YOU, THEY'RE GIVING YOU SOME LEEWAY HERE, OKAY? THEY'RE SAYING, HOWEVER, DURING REPAIR, IF SASHES OR OTHER INTEGRAL ELEMENTS ARE FOUND TO BE ROTTED BEYOND REPAIR, THE APPLICANT MAY CONTACT STAFF MS. BROWN, WITH THE FINDINGS TO DISCUSS REPLACEMENT ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS.
SO IF IT IS, THEY TAKE DOWN THE WINDOW AND IT'S CRAPPY, YOU CAN REPLACE IT.
OKAY? YOU JUST GOT TO WORK THROUGH THEM TO GET IT DONE, JUST LIKE THE SCHOOL DID.
JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THAT HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN SAN ANTONIO.
I KNOW YOU WON, AND NICE WINDOW.
I KNOW YOU WANNA OPEN THEM ALL THAT NINE YARDS AND, BUT, UM, YES.
SO CAITLIN, CAN YOU SHOW US PLEASE THE, THE ONES THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING REPLACEMENT OF? SURE.
I'M GONNA DO LIKE A CROSS-REFERENCE THING 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THEM ALL.
UM, UM, COMMISSIONER, CAN I ASK A QUESTION FIRST? A CLARIFICATION BEFORE SHE GOES? PICTURES? YES, GO AHEAD.
LET, LET ME, YEAH, NO, NO, NO.
I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS BEFORE YOU DO THE PICTURES.
UM, THIS IS FOR STAFF ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 20 DE AND NUMBER 25.
ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THE PRODUCT THAT SHE IS WANTING TO PURCHASE OR ARE YOU RECOMMENDING A FULL WOOD REPLACEMENT THAT IS NOT THAT PRODUCT? THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING REPLACEMENT WITH THIS PRODUCT.
YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THE GUIDELINES.
THIS IS WHERE YOU GUYS COME INTO PLAY TO DETERMINE IF THIS IS SUITABLE.
AND, AND THE REASON, REASON WE DON'T IS BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE GUIDELINES FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT ARE SPECIFIC TO WOOD.
SO FOR THE ONES, UH, YEAH, HANG ON JUST A SEC.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE YOU DIDN'T GET TO ASK THE REST OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
OH, WELL, IT, I, I, I THINK SHE'S PROBABLY GONNA GO TO IT.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHAT ARE THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS THAT THE APPLICANT IS RECOMMENDING IN ADDITION TO THE THREE.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY WERE LABELED 10 A B, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WERE THE PICTURES.
SO I ASSUMING YOU'RE GETTING TO THAT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS MY SECOND QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE TWO IN THE FRONT? I'M SORRY I DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE CHANCE, SO PLEASE.
WAS THERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS DOWN HERE? GO AHEAD.
WHICH ONES ARE THE FRONT ONE? I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME.
LET'S FOCUS ON THE FRONT TWO RIGHT NOW.
NO, THAT WAS MY QUESTION WAS WHICH OF THOSE SEVEN ARE THE TWO FRONT ONES? SO THIS IS, UM, 10 A, THIS IS ONE OF TWO ON THE FRONT FACADE.
SHE'S REQUESTING, UH, HERE'S THE EXTERIOR INTERIOR, AND THEN THESE ARE CLOSEUPS THAT I
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TOOK OF DAMAGE WHEN I MADE THE SITE VISIT.UM, AND SO LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW I APPROACH EVALUATING THAT.
UM, THE DAMAGE THAT I WAS ABLE TO SEE WAS CONCENTRATED HERE AT THE BOTTOM SASH, BITS OF THE TRIM, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FROM HERE UP THAT WINDOW WAS IN DECENT SHAPE TO INCLUDE TRIM AS WELL.
NO, WE DID NOT OPEN ANY WINDOWS.
I'M VERY AWARE THAT THESE OLD WINDOWS NEED TO BE RES STRUNG, RE-WEIGHTED, WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, BUT THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE THAT IS, THAT FALLS UNDER REPAIR, THAT IS REPAIRABLE.
SO THAT'S HOW THAT PARTICULAR ONE WAS EVALUATED.
UH, SO SAME WITH 10 B AGAIN, FROM ABOUT HERE DOWN ROT, THE REMAINDER WAS IN PRETTY DECENT SHAPE AS FAR AS I COULD TELL WITH MY EYES.
BUT SAME STORY, THAT'S THE INTERIOR OF 10 B.
THOSE ARE THE, UH, FRONT TWO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
IT'S A COMMENT, BUT WE CAN SAVE IT FOR LATER IF YOU WANT.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, NO QUESTION.
UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M, UH, NEW TO THE BOARD.
SO THE, UM, HISTORICAL COMMISSION ESTABLISHED THE GUIDELINES FOR THE WINDOWS, WHICH SAYS ALL WOOD.
AND SO, UH, DOES THIS COMMISSION HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO VIOLATE THE GUIDELINES OF THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S YOU, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY VIOLATE.
I THINK IT'S UP TO OUR DISCRETION TO INTERPRET THE GUIDELINES, BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY VIOLATE, THAT'S WHY WE CALL 'EM GUIDELINES.
SO WE COULD INTERPRET FOR DISCRETION OR APPROVED EXCEPTIONS.
AND I MIGHT ALSO ADD, THIS COULD BE OPEN TO A SITE VISIT IF YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU NEED TO GET YOUR, YOUR EYES ON THEM.
OH, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING PROVIDES, UH, THE LEEWAY TO MS. DIAZ TO POSSIBLY GET THEM REPLACED ONCE WORK BEGINS.
I THINK WE'RE GIVING YOU A FAIR SHOT AT MAYBE IT IS WORTH REPLACING THE WHOLE WINDOW.
UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, MY COMPUTER, IT BLANKED OUT AGAIN, BUT WHATEVER, UH, WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING, I THINK IT'S A OKAY, A, A GENTLE LIKE NOD TOWARDS, YES, WE'RE GIVING YOU LEEWAY, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF SURE.
THREE OF THOSE REALLY, REALLY BAD WINDOWS.
SO THE NEXT PROCESS, I WILL GET SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THE WINDOWS, UH, BEFORE WE START REPLACING THEM.
SO THAT IF THEY, BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, DO I BRING THIS BACK TO, TO MS. BROWN? YES.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL TAKE YOU STEP BY STEP THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, AND THEY WILL RECOMMEND, UH, DIFFERENT HISTORIC WINDOW SPECIALISTS.
UM, THERE'S SOMETHING AGAIN, RIGHT? A FEW STREETS OVER FROM YOU.
THERE'S SOME, ANOTHER MILE OR TWO AWAY FROM YOU.
THEY GO TO MONTE VISTA, THEY GO TO MONTICELLO, THEY GO TO KING WILLIAM.
THEY JUST GO AND RESTORE THOSE WINDOWS.
OKAY? AND ONE, IT COULD SAVE YOU A LOT OF MONEY INSTEAD OF BUYING THE FULL PRODUCT.
TWO, YOU'RE PRESERVING THE HOME AND THE INTEGRITY OF IT.
YEAH, NO, AND WE'RE GIVING YOU THAT LEEWAY THROUGH THIS, UH, RECOMMENDATION HERE.
SOMETHING THOUGH THAT STILL REQUIRES YOUR DE DE, UH, DELIBERATION IS WHETHER THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT, THE ONE RIGHT HERE WITH THE WOOD CASING AROUND IT, UH, OR IT'S ALUMINUM CASING YES.
WITH IT'S WOOD FRAME, THE MUTTONS OR WOOD, AND THEN CLAD WITH AN, WITH ALUMINUM.
WELL, I'M, I'M WORRIED I'M GONNA MUDDY THE WATERS HERE, BUT YES, CAITLYN IS CORRECT.
UM, WHEN WE SAY THAT A WINDOW CAN BE REPLACED, WE JUST SAY IT NEEDS TO BE IN KIND.
SO A NEW WOOD PRODUCT THAT CAN BE AN OFF THE SHELF INSERT, LIKE THE ONE THAT'S HERE WITH A DIFFERENT CLADDING, IT WOULD JUST BE SOLID WOOD, OR YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO GO AND FIND SALVAGE SASHES AND REPLACE SASHES AS NEEDED.
WHEN WE SAY A WINDOW LIKE THIS IS REPAIRABLE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF SEAL ROT IN THAT BOTTOM RAIL BEING ROTTED, WHICH IS USUALLY WHERE IT HAPPENS FIRST, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REPAIRING IT
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WITH POTENTIALLY AN ENTIRE NEW SASH, OR HAVING SOMEBODY COME IN AND REPLACE THAT BOTTOM RAIL.THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, THAT AND WITH THE CORRECT JOINERY AND REGLAZING, OR TO REPLACE THE SILL, UM, AS ITS OWN THING, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD ALSO BE DONE BY A CARPENTER, UM, OR, UM, IF WARRANTED AND THE PRICE IS RIGHT AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
UM, A FULL SOLID WOOD REPLACEMENT.
THE CAVEAT IS THE SOLID WOOD THAT DOES NOT HAVE THAT ALUMINUM CLADDING IS SUBJECT TO ROT.
THE QUALITY OF THE WOOD IS NOT THE SAME QUALITY THAT YOU GOT 60 TO A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY CLAD THOSE PRODUCTS IS BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE WATER OFF, KEEPS THE APPEARANCE THE SAME.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAINT THEM.
BUT THE SOLID WOOD REPLACEMENTS, THEY REQUIRE A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE AND PAINTING.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT EVEN ENOUGH.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TODAY, BUT THAT IS WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY, UM,
AND SO, AGAIN, LIKE I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD PRODUCT.
IT IS A DEVIATION IN SOME ASPECTS TO THE GUIDELINES.
AND I DO SEE YOU'RE HERE IN GOOD SPIRIT, IN, IN GOOD FAITH.
LIKE YOU'RE NOT A VIOLATION CASE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE MM-HMM
THE HISTORIC, I'M SORRY,
WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
AND IT MAY JUST END UP SAVING YOU MONEY.
A LOT OF MONEY TO BE DEAD HONEST.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GO AHEAD.
UM, I TO ASK, YOU CAN LET THIS, LET CHRIS GO FIRST.
I WANT TO, UH, SECOND WHAT, UH, UH, WE'VE JUST HEARD FROM THE VICE CHAIR.
THANK YOU FOR COMING AND, AND FOR WORKING, WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, IT CERTAINLY GETS A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN PEOPLE END UP IN A VIOLATION CASE.
SO, UH, YOUR GOOD FAITH EFFORT IS WONDERFUL HERE.
UM, I JUST WANT TO, UH, AMPLIFY A FEW THINGS.
UM, I, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE, THE WORK AND THE ANALYSIS OF MS. BROWN.
SO I THINK SHE, YOU'RE IN GOOD HANDS WITH HER.
SHE'S HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND SHE'S WORKED A LOT ON HISTORIC WINDOWS AND ON ON, UH, EVALUATING THEM.
UM, I LIKE THIS, UH, GRADUAL APPROACH ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS.
I KNOW IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING, UM, AND SEEM A LITTLE SLOW AT AT FIRST, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU, UH, ALSO REMEMBER THAT, UH, ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS AND HOUSES IN THE, UH, MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, IT HELPS PRESERVE PROPERTY VALUES AND THE BENEFITS OF THE AESTHETICS OF LIVING IN A, A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT.
UM, SO BY ADDING A, A LITTLE MORE TIME UPFRONT DURING A WINDOW ANALYSIS AND REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT PROCESS, WHEN YOU WRITE THAT ACROSS THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER YEARS OR DECADES, IN THE CASE OF MONTICELLO PARK, YOU GET TO HAVE, UM, A MUCH MORE, UM, UH, UH, VERIFIABLE AND SOLID NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY THAT MAKES IT SUCH A JOY THAT I HOPE ONE DAY MAYBE I'LL GET TO LIVE IN MONTICELLO PARK.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT MS. BROWN, THIS IS ABOUT ME GETTING MY WINDOWS FIXED AND FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER.
BUT I WILL FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE RECOMMENDED.
AND LET ME, LET'S GO TO OUR COMMENTS ONLINE, MA'AM.
UH, WE HAVE OUR, OUR CHAIR IS ONLINE.
UH, COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANNA ALLUDE BACK TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN EDUCATED BY OUR STAFF.
YOU KNOW, THE MOMENT WE START MAKING DEVIATIONS FOR WHAT THE HISTORIC SOCIETY HAS ACTUALLY, WELL, COMMISSION HAS ACTUALLY BEEN CALLED TO UPHOLD IS, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN AS CLOSE TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PRESERVE.
YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EASY, YOU KNOW, UPHOLDING SOME OF THESE, THESE REQUIREMENTS AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS HOME THAT YOU'RE BRINGING TO US, AND I'M SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, FROM THE APPLICANT TO COME UP HERE TO GO THROUGH THIS.
I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
THE STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF, OF HOLDING THIS.
AND TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY PLUS THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE IS REALLY TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE WHAT WE, WHAT SO MANY CITIES HAVE LOST MM-HMM
SO, AND, AND WE CONTINUE TO LOSE.
SO, AGAIN, JUST THE CAUTION THAT WHEN WE START MAKING DEVIATIONS, WE WE'RE LOSING PART OF OUR CITY.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I STRONGLY SUPPORT WITH THE, WHAT THE STAFF IS DOING AND THE SUPERB JOB THAT MS. BROWN HAS ACTUALLY HAS DONE IN
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MAINTAINING THESE GUIDELINES AND RECOMMENDATIONS.UH, VICE CHAIR, I, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT TO THE, TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, YEAH, WHENEVER THE MOTION IS MADE, I JUST WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR NUMBER ONE, UH, WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION TO STATE WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE, THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT, UM, IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT, UM, MOTION OR THE ALLWOOD REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS THE, THE GUIDELINES.
SO I JUST, WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION, I NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
AND WE ARE HERE TO MAINTAIN GUIDELINES.
SO WITH THAT, UM, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENTS.
CAN I ASK FOR A MOTION, PLEASE? CAN WE GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FIRST? I, I WANNA, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO VIEW WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION.
DO YOU WANNA READ THAT OFF? OH, HANG, HANG ON.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, THERE'S JUST ONE MORE THING.
THE PILLOW, I'M SORRY, WHAT? OH, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO, UM, IN THIS AREA, UM, I'VE CANVASED THE AREA BEFORE.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
UM, AND THERE ARE, UM, MANY HOUSES, UM, WHERE THERE'S A HODGEPODGE OF DIFFERENT WINDOW MATERIALS.
THERE ARE SOME ALUMINUM, THERE ARE SOME VINYL, THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE SOLAR SCREENS, SOME OLDER, SOME MORE MODERN.
AND SO THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING, BUT IT MAY NOT BE MY LAST.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M TRYING TO EARN BUSINESS, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE RIGHT PROCESS AND MOTIONS OF IT.
WE DO OFFER A SOLID WOOD UNIT.
SO IMAGINE THAT WINDOW WITH THE FRONT, UH, IS WOOD.
UM, BUT IS IT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE DIFFERENT VARIOUS WINDOW TYPES THAT ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT FOR THIS CASE BY CASE BASIS AND PERHAPS ALLOWING FOR A WOOD CLAD UNIT EVEN THEN? UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ACADEMY AND WE HAVE THE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, ARE THOSE JUST TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND WE CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO BECAUSE THOSE ARE SCHOOLS AND THESE ARE HOMES.
UM, YOU CAN COMPARE THEM BECAUSE, OR I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, WELL EARLIER COUNCIL HIT MY HAND IF I'M WELL SPEAKING WRONG, BUT I THINK THEY WENT THROUGH THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND THEY GOT APPROVED FOR WHAT THEY GOT APPROVED FOR MM-HMM
BUT THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING SEPARATE.
AND WHAT THE HOME IS, WHAT DEFINES THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC, EXCUSE ME, THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS A LARGE COLLECTION OF DIFFERENT DECADES OF HOMES.
SOME OF THEM WERE FROM THE 1920S, SOME FROM THE THIRTIES, FORTIES, AND EVEN THE FIFTIES.
BUT, BUT THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT WINDOW STYLES.
AND THAT MAY BE WHERE YOU SEE THE HODGEPODGE OF DIFFERENT WINDOWS AND THE SOLAR WINDOWS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE SNUCK IN, BUT, OR THEY MAY HAVE BEEN PRE-HISTORIC DISTRICT TIMES, UH, INSTALLATION, WHICH WAS IN THE, I THINK LATE NINETIES, EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHY, AND IF YOU DO OFFER A FULL WOOD PRODUCT, MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE MIS YOU SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK WITH MIS DIAZ ON, UH, ON GETTING USED.
BUT IT'S ALSO A GOOD LESSON LESSON FOR YOU TOO.
IF YOU COME BEFORE US AGAIN WITH ANOTHER CLIENT OR SOMETHING, UM, ON HOW, HOW TO WORK WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, BUT I'M SORRY, I CUT OFF THE, THE CHAIR.
NO, I JUST WANT, I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
'CAUSE I DO WANNA, UH, ADDRESS WHAT ONE OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS STATED IN ADDRESSING, UM, WINDOWS 20 D 20 E, AND 25 FOR THE WINDOW OF PRODUCT SO THAT WE CAN MEET THOSE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS.
WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR? SO, SO BECAUSE WE, SO BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, THE, THE PRODUCT IS WHAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THE STIPULATIONS ARE, UH, ONE WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENTS BASED ON FINDINGS.
AND WE ACTUALLY KIND OF DEVIATED TO A, A BYPRODUCT, RIGHT.
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THAT WAS BEING PRESENTED BY, BY THE COMPANY.BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS REPLACEMENT OF A FULL WINDOW, RIGHT.
SO I THINK MY COLLEAGUE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A FULL WOOD, WHICH IS REC RECOMMENDED BY, OR IS MENTIONED IN THE GUIDELINES.
OR THE PRODUCT IN FRONT OF US.
SO, UM, LET'S GO FORWARD WITH THE MOTION PLEASE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTED, MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDED THAT FOR SUBMISSION.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UH, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN AND IN REGARD TO THE FIRST, UH, ITEM OR THE FIRST, UH, THE FIRST REQUEST IT BE A, A FULL WOOD REPLACEMENT.
IS THERE A SECOND PLEASE? I SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE REGARD? AYE.
MS. DIAZ, PLEASE REMEMBER, THEY'RE HERE TO HELP YOU.
THEY'RE HERE TO GIVE YOU, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ON PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP YOU.
BUT THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE THAT SPECIALIZE IN WOOD RE WINDOW RESTORATION.
UM, I KNOW MANY OTHERS IN YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAVE HAD THOSE WINDOWS.
UM, FULLY THEY LOOK JUST AS BAD OR WORSE THAN YOURS.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S A HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF MARY LOUIS AND VALLUM OKAY.
THAT HAD THEIR WINDOWS FULLY RESTORED.
TELL YOU TONS OF STORIES, BUT JUST WORK WITH THEM.
AND AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE THE LEEWAY TO, IF THEY'RE CRAPPY AFTER THEY'RE TAKEN OUT.
THAT'S JUST WORK WITH THEM AND THEN IT'LL GET, BRING IT BACK, CHANGED OUT.
IS THERE A LISTING THAT CAN BE PROVIDED, LIKE OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY COMPATIBLE, UM, VENDORS? LIKE IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING GIVE TO US.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR UNDERSTANDING.
CASE NUMBER NINE ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.
AGENDA 2 0 2 6 DASH 0 5 1 14 15 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FIBER SEMEN SIDING PRODUCT OVER ORIGINAL SIDING.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FIBER SEMEN SIDING PRODUCT OVER ORIGINAL SIDING.
STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD EXPOSE ALL THE ORIGINAL SIDING TO DETERMINE ITS CONDITION AND IF DETERMINED TO BE REPAIRABLE, THE APPLICANT SHOULD REPAIR AND REPLACE THE EXISTING SIDING AS NECESSARY WITH IN KIND MATERIAL THAT MATCHES EXISTING AND PROFILE DIMENSION MATERIAL AND FINISH.
SHOULD THE SIDING BE DETERMINED, IRREPARABLE THE APPLICANT REQUEST AN ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL WITH THE FUTURE REQUEST.
UH, WE HAVE FOLKS FROM SPARTAN ROOFING AND SIDING AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNER.
UH, SO SOMEWHERE THAT GOT MISINTERPRETED, WE'RE NOT DOING A OVERLAY, WE'RE REMOVING THE SIDING.
THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO LAYERS OF SIDING ON THERE.
THERE'S A VINYL SIDING THAT THEY ACTUALLY ALREADY OVERLAID ONTO THE EXISTING SIDING.
THOSE ARE BEING REMOVED DOWN TO THE STUDS.
AND WE ARE GOING WITH THE JAMES HARDY BACK TO THE SAME DESIGN.
SO WHETHER THE ORIGINAL WE CAN'T SEE NOW, BUT THE ORIGINALS BEHIND THERE IS EITHER BETWEEN FOUR INCHES AND EIGHT INCHES OF REVEAL.
SO WE'RE GOING BACK WITH THE SAME EXISTING, IT'S JUST GONNA BE JAMES HARDY.
MR. VASQUEZ, CAN WE HAVE THE WITNESS IDENTIFY HIMSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? THE MIKE SPARTAN.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF, DID Y'ALL, DID EVERYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK OR IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU GOT? YOU'RE THE HOMEOWNER, RIGHT? YEAH, I'M ERICA RUSSELL, PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
UM, SO I, THE ORIGINAL TO ME SIDING IS VINYL.
UM, IT'S LITERALLY POPPING OFF.
IT'S GONNA CAUSE MAJOR STRUCTURAL DAMAGE IN MY HOME IF IT DOESN'T GET ADDRESSED SOON.
UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP HERE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I DO THE RIGHT THINGS.
UM, I WANT A SIGHTING THAT WILL LAST AND THAT IS LOWER MAINTENANCE ON ME.
I HAVE FUNDS RIGHT NOW TO UPGRADE AND MAKE SOME CHANGES TO MY HOME.
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BUT, UM, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT WOOD SIDING, UM, HAS MORE ISSUES.IT REQUIRES A LOT MORE MAINTENANCE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY FINANCIAL STATE WILL BE IN, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO I'M TRYING TO DO AS MUCH PRESERVATION AND UPGRADE TO THE HOUSE WHILE I I CAN.
UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THIS
SO QUICK, QUICK QUESTION IF I CAN.
SO ARE Y'ALL DENYING THE OVERLAY? IS THAT WHAT'S BEING DENIED? YOU NEED TO ASK STAFF ABOUT THAT.
UM, WHAT THEIR OBSERVATIONS WERE.
THERE'S ALREADY AN OVERLAY ON THERE, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT MIGHT'VE GET GOTTEN MISINTERPRETED.
UM, SO THE GUIDELINES, WHETHER IT'S AN OVERLAY OR NOT, DOES NOT SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF ORIGINAL SIDING FOR REPLACEMENT WITH A FIBER CEMENT PRODUCT.
SO WHETHER YOU'RE OVERLAYING IT OR FULLY REMOVING ALL THE EXISTING SIDING, VINYL AND WOOD, THE GUIDELINES DON'T SUPPORT.
NOR ARE WE RECOMMENDING GOING TO REMOVE THE ORIGINAL SIDING AND REPLACING WITH, UH, HARDY.
UM, NOW WE ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF THE VINYL YES.
TO REVEAL THE ORIGINAL SIDING AND THEN REPAIR THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING.
WELL I HAVE THE ONE PICTURE ON THERE 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA REMOVE IT.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO GET THIS ACCEPTED FIRST, THE APPROVAL, BUT THE ONE PICTURE THAT IS ON THERE, THAT'S AS MUCH AS WE CAN SEE AND IT LOOKS COMPLETELY DETERIORATED.
SO WE'RE ASSUMING THEY DID THE OVERLAY TO HIDE ALL THAT PREVIOUSLY.
WE, WE CAN'T KNOW UNTIL WE SEE.
I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THEN, UM, ABOUT THAT.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GREAT IDEA TO REMOVE MY SIGHTING WITHOUT KNOWING HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED.
IT OPENS UP MY, I MEAN, IT'S SAN ANTONIO.
WE COULD HAVE LIKE A HAILSTORM ANY DAY.
SO IF I RIP OFF THE VINYL SIDING AND IT IS NOT REPAIRABLE, THAT'S GONNA DELAY MY CONTRACTORS.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO ORDER MATERIALS, THEY HAVE TO DO STUFF THAT TAKES TIME.
AND TO HAVE MY HOUSE LIKE EXPOSED TO WEATHER PESTS, WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF CRITTERS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAN GET INTO MY HOUSE EASILY.
I'M SCARED THAT THAT'S GOING TO COST ME MORE MONEY IN THE LONG RUN AND HURT MY HOUSE.
SO I'M JUST NOT SURE IT'S PRACTICAL TO REMOVE THE SIDING WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WE'RE DO DOING.
UM, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE COULD WORK WITH YOU ON A CERTIFICATE TO DO SOME EXPLORATORY REMOVAL.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS, AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY INTO THE ACTION TODAY, WE CAN KIND OF ADD SOME STIPULATIONS OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE YOU OPTIONS TO EXPLORE MOVING FORWARD.
BUT WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS WRITE YOU A BLANK CHECK.
LIKE WE'VE GOTTA KNOW, UH, WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE MATERIALS ARE SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE APPROPRIATE EITHER REPLACEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, ALTERNATIVE ACTION WOULD BE.
AND SO, UM, I ALSO DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO FULLY REMOVE IT BECAUSE YOU WILL THEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHATEVER IS THERE.
SO TYPICALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE SIDING IS FULLY INTACT AND WE BELIEVE IT TO BE ORIGINAL AND IT NEEDS SOME REPAIRS, WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT IT BE REPAIRED AND KIND OR PATCHED WITH SIMILAR MATERIAL.
UM, AND LIKE, WHO KNOWS, LIKE MAYBE IT ISN'T THAT BAD AND MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE OR MAYBE IT IS DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR NEEDS TO BE FULLY REPLACED.
BUT WE WOULD STILL LOOK FOR AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OR A SIMILAR WOOD SIDING PROFILE AS THE REPLACEMENT.
AND SO I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE COMMISSION IS IN A POSITION TO, TO APPROVE AN ALTERNATIVE CLADDING MATERIAL, UM, BEYOND THE VINYL WITHOUT SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
SO THE JAMES HARDY HAS THE SAME STYLE LOOK AS THE WOOD.
SO WHY IS IT THAT Y'ALL DENY THAT? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE PROFILE OF THIS WOOD SIDING IS? YEAH, THERE'S A, A TEXTURED AND THERE'S A SMOOTH.
SO I MEAN YOU CAN DO ANY, ANY SHAPE AT ALL? NO, I'M SAYING LIKE THE, THE WOOD PROFILE IS CUT IN AWAY WHERE IT'S EITHER LIKE A DROP SIDING OR A COVE SIDING OR FROM LOOKING AT THE, THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M ASSUMING IT'S EITHER A FOUR INCH TO AN EIGHT INCH LAP SIDING.
THIS IS THE ONLY IMAGE I'VE BEEN PROVIDED OF WHAT EXISTS UNDERNEATH THE VINYL.
SO WE MIGHT NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO ADVISE IF THE HARDY IS A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT.
TYPICALLY THE HARDY'S ONLY GONNA COME IN A LAP, LIKE A LAP, NOT EVEN A LAP LAP SIDING WHERE IT JUST, YOU KNOW, CLAPBOARD IS KIND OF WHAT WE CALL IT WHERE THERE'S NOT REALLY A NOTCH IN THE MATERIAL FOR THE LAP.
NO, I MEAN IT IT, THEY'RE LAPS OVER.
DO YOU, DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? HAVE Y'ALL BEEN OUT THERE? HA A WAIT, THE PEE BEEN OUT THERE? NO.
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DO THAT STANDARDLY NOT FOR EVERY CASE, NO.OH, SO CAN Y'ALL JUST GO OUT THERE AND THEN WE JUST, IT WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE THEM MOVING MORE VINYL.
I'M REALLY SCARED TO TAKE IT OFF WITHOUT HAVING A PLAN.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE VINYL IS WARPED ALREADY.
IT'S NOT GONNA TONGUE AND GROOVE BACK IF SHE DECIDES TO REPLACE IT AND LIKE TAKING IT OFF IS VINYL.
SO LIKE YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, I CAN'T PUT THE VINYL BACK OFF, BUT IN, IN JUST A CERTAIN AREA TO CHECK.
WELL NOW THAT AREA'S COMPROMISED, YOU KNOW, SO WELL EVEN THIS AREA WHERE WE DID GET THE PICTURE, IT'S, IT'S NO LONGER IT'S EVER, EVER GONNA FIT BACK TO WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
SO THERE'S A ACCESS POINT FOR RODENTS, CRITTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE, YEAH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS IF WE PULL THIS VINYL OFF AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, LAP SIDING IN GENERAL, CAN WE NOT MATCH THAT WITH THE JAMES HARDY MATERIAL INSTEAD OF WOOD? IT'S A A BIG IF, BUT YES, POTENTIALLY.
WE HAVE HAD ANOTHER CASE, AND THIS IS RARE IN MONTE VISTA WHERE THE WOOD SIDING WAS A VERY SIMPLE CLABBERED SIDING IS WHAT WE CALL IT, WHERE THERE'S NOT A CUT IN THE SIDING TO ALLOW FOR A LAP JOINT AND IT'S JUST A FLAT BOARD THAT ARE OVERLAPPED AT AN ANGLE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE HARDY WOULD BE A REPLACEMENT FOR.
AND SO IN THAT CASE, THIS HOUSE HAD LIKE A FIVE TO SIX INCH REVEAL WITH A CLABBERED SIDING AND THE HARDY WAS ABLE TO BE PRETTY SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE.
WE'RE USUALLY LOOKING AT SOME SORT OF CUSTOM PROFILE WITH THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING.
DOES IT MATTER IF THERE'S OTHER HOUSES IN THAT SAME STREET THAT HAVE THE SAME JAMES HARDY STYLE LOOK WITH ACTUALLY JAMES HARDY, THE GUIDELINES WILL CONSIDER EACH PROPERTY AS, YOU KNOW, ITS OWN REFERENCE.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THIS HOUSE, NOT WHAT'S ON OTHER HOUSES.
SO WE NEED TO PEEL SOME MORE BACK, SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
HOW LONG DOES THIS PROCESS TAKE? SO IF WE DO THAT, DO I HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE? RIGHT.
SO THE ACTION TODAY WOULD POTENTIALLY BE, UM, TABLING, UM, TO ALLOW FOR SITE VISIT AND IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
UM, THERE COULD ALSO BE AN ACTION TODAY THAT APPROVES A FEW SCENARIOS THAT STAFF CAN WORK WITH.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR DESIRED RESULT TODAY.
I DON'T THINK THE COMMISSION CAN APPROVE WHOLESALE HEART REPLACEMENT BASED ON WHAT THEY SEE.
UM, BUT POTENTIALLY, UM, YOU COULD DIRECT STAFF TO VERIFY THE SIDING PROFILE AND THEN WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH EITHER IN KIND REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENT OR A SUBSTITUTE THAT IS OF SIMILAR PROFILE IN STYLE.
HERE I AM MAKING THE MOTION FOR YOU.
SO, UM, BUT WE WOULD ALWAYS, IF THERE WAS EVER A COMFORT FROM STAFF DISCOMFORT OR WE'RE NOT SURE THAT WHAT'S PROPOSED AS MEETING THE GUIDELINES, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.
SO IF WE'VE RAN INTO THIS BEFORE, BUT IF WE END UP, YOU KNOW, TEARING IT ALL THE VINYL OFF AND THEN WE GET TO WHERE IT'S A SPECIAL KIND OF WOOD THAT WAS ON THERE, THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MORE THAN WHAT IF WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMIZE THESE REPAIRS? SO THERE ARE PLACES IN TOWN WHERE, WELL, WHEN WAS THIS HOUSE BUILT? DO WE HAVE 1929? SO IT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THREE VERY COMMON STYLES.
AND SO SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET THOSE IN STOCK.
UM, THERE'S ALSO PLACES IN TOWN THAT DO CUSTOM MILLS, WHICH SOUNDS AS EXPENSIVE AS IT SOUNDS.
UM, SO, BUT YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE.
BUT LATE TWENTIES, THERE'S USUALLY PRETTY COMMON STYLES THAT WERE USED IN THE SIDING.
UH, VICE CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? SURE.
WAS THAT ALL STAFF HAD? UH, AS FAR AS FINDINGS FOR NOW.
YEAH, SO I JUST, I JUST HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT, NOT EVEN A QUESTION, BUT I, I FEEL JUST AS A VOTING MEMBER OF THIS BODY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND SO, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT IS REPAIRABLE, WHAT IS REPLACEABLE AND WHERE THAT LINE OF DEMARCATION IS AND WHAT MATERIALS TO BE USED, UM, SO I JUST, WHERE I'M SITTING, I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO THINK ABOUT THIS BODY, THINKING ABOUT EMOTION THAT EITHER TABLES IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH WHERE THERE'S MORE, WHERE THERE'S A SITE VISIT OR, UH, BEING ABLE TO TEST SOME OF IT.
AND AS, AS, AS MS. BROWN SAID, TEST SOME OF IT AND SEE WHAT THE CONDITION IS.
I I I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION TO, TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY.
CAN WE GET SOME APPROVALS LIKE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THAT WAY? WELL THAT WOULD BE TO THIS BODY.
WELL, AND JUST AS A FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY TO PULL THE WHOLE ALL OF IT OUT, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE, RIGHT.
THAT WOULD GIVE AN INDICATION OF WHAT CONDITION, WHAT THE CONDITION IS.
SO ISN'T IT MAYBE 20%? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT MAYBE JUST A REPRESENTATIVE
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SAMPLE, WHICH WOULD GIVE US AN INDICATION AND ENOUGH TO MAKE A DECISION.WOULDN'T YOU HAVE TO TAKE OFF LIKE A WHOLE, LIKE YEAH.
HAVE TO TAKE OFF A WHOLE PANEL.
NOW YOU TAKE OFF SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHOLE WALL IS, IS DESTROYED.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST PIECE IN ONE VINYL, IT'S GONNA MATCH.
BUT THAT AREA IS, IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO A CORNER OR BY A WINDOW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S JUST DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHATEVER'S BACK THERE IS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, CORRODED IT'S 1929 OR WHATEVER.
SO, BUT IT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL.
YOU DOWN THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CENTERED IT'S FEET.
THAT'S ABOUT THREE FEET, THREE FEET UP FROM THE WALL.
SO I MEAN THAT'S NOT WHERE WATER'S SITTING THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THAT WAS ALREADY COMING APART FROM SOMETHING THAT GOT A HOLD OF A TREE BRANCH OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMOVE THE VINYL YOU CAN'T PUT IT BACK.
NO, IT'S WARPED FROM THE HEAT AND ALL THAT, ET CETERA.
AND THEY DID A LAYOVER OF THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE.
SO THERE'S VINYL, THEN THERE'S INSULATION BOARD AND THEN THERE'S THE SIDING, THE HOUSE, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS FLIPPED BEFORE I BOUGHT IT.
SO, UM, FULL DISCLOSURE, I DON'T TRUST ANYTHING THAT THEY DID 'CAUSE IT WAS FLIP FLIPPERS, I'M PRETTY SURE.
SO THE FACT THAT THEY COVERED IT WITH VINYL TO BEGIN WITH, IF IT HAD BEEN IN GOOD, UH, CONDITION, THEY WOULD'VE FIXED IT.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN CHEAPER.
LIKE WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY'RE FLIPPERS SO THEY'RE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY.
UM, BUT INSTEAD THEY DECIDED TO JUST COVER IT UP WITH ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT GREAT MATERIAL.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MY HOUSE DOESN'T FALL APART AND YOU KNOW, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
BUT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE REPLACE THAT SIDING WITH HARDY OR WOOD.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, OUR QUESTION THAT WE'RE ASKING.
AND THE WOOD IS AVAILABLE TO REPLACE THE WOOD SITE.
I GUARANTEE THAT THAT IS WON'T BE THAT SHAPE.
IT'LL BE MILLED AT SOME POINT.
'CAUSE THEY JUST DON'T MAKE THE SAME.
BUT ANY OLDER HOUSE THAT WE'VE WORKED ON IS A DIFFERENT DESIGN.
THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURE MAKE THAT, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MILLED AND THEN THIS COULD BE THREE TIMES THE PRICE FOR HER TO DO REPAIRS AND JUST REDOING THE WHOLE HOUSE, YOU KNOW.
WELL I THINK, UH, THE GENTLEMAN OF COREY, UH, WAS MENTIONING THAT IT ACTUALLY IS PRETTY COMMON.
UH, WE TO HAVE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT UNDER HERE.
YEAH, I I WE DON'T KNOW THE PROFILE.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO SPECULATE, BUT I, I SUSPECT THAT IT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, UH, FIND.
YEAH, IT, IT'S NOT SO COULD YOU REMOVE JUST ENOUGH OF THE, EXCUSE ME, JUST ENOUGH OF THE, UH, VINYL TO DETERMINE THE PROFILE OF THE WOOD, SEE IF IT IS AVAILABLE.
SAY THAT AGAIN? REMOVE JUST ENOUGH OF THE VINYL SO YOU CAN PUT IT BACK ON.
BUT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROFILE IS OF THE WOOD SIDING EXISTING TO SEE IF IT IS AVAILABLE.
WELL, IF THAT'S OUR ONLY STEP, THEN YES.
BUT NOW WHEREVER WE SEPARATE THAT, IT'S NOT GOING BACK FOR HER.
SO THERE'S NO KEEPING THIS EXISTING VINYL AT THAT POINT.
SO SHE NOW HAS TO MOVE FORWARD ON TAKING OFF ALL THE VINYL BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GONNA MATCH THE SAME VINYL COLOR.
IT'S TOO HEAVY FOR THE, THE VINYL.
UM, SO NO MATTER WHAT, AT THIS POINT, THE VINYL HAS TO BE REMOVED.
IF WE REMOVE OTHER SECTIONS OH YEAH.
THEN NOW WE'RE COMPROMISING THAT WHOLE WALL AT THAT POINT.
THE AMOUNT OF VINYL YOU HAVE ALREADY REMOVED GIVES YOU A VIEW OF WHAT THE PROFILE IS OF THE SIDE.
THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THAT IS REMOVED ON THAT PICTURE.
AND THAT WAS FROM A, A BRANCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT PULLED IT OFF.
THE PROBLEM IS IT'S WARPING SO WELL, IT'S ALSO SO DETERIORATED THAT YOU COULDN'T GET A PROFILE OFF PRETTY MUCH.
SO WE'RE ASSUMING THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT AND EITHER WAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO REPAIR OTHER AREAS OF WOOD.
SHE'S HAVING THIS PROBLEM EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT'S THE CHEAPEST WAY? AND THE EASIEST WAY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE EXISTING PROFILE IS OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING, IT'S TO GET AN APPROVAL FROM Y'ALL SO WE CAN JUST MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE DEMO.
WHAT'S THE SECOND EASIEST WAY?
UM, SHE'S KIND OF SCREWED AT THIS POINT.
WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT WE PULL OFF.
SO WE JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE CAN'T DO JAMES HARDY AND WE GO WITH WOOD AND MAYBE THAT'S OUR ONLY OPTION, BUT I WOULD ASSUME JAMES HARDY WOULD BE APPROVABLE.
UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY UP TO Y'ALL.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO INSTALL.
IT'S A ONE TIME LIFETIME WARRANTY WHEN IT DONE.
UH, LET ME GO TO MY ONLINE COLLEAGUE PLEASE.
UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE REALLY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS DIRECTED BY, NOT THAT HE WAS MAKING A MOTION, BUT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION AND FACT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM STAT IS GONNA BE THE BEST MOVEMENT AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND EVEN THOUGH WE BROUGHT UP GOOD POINTS, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT AND SUPPORT THE GUIDELINES BY THE, THE OFFICE OF HISTORICAL, UH,
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OF THE UH, HISTORICAL OFFICE, WE'RE JUST HAVE TO DO, UM, JUST AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF IS MAYBE DO A, AN AMENDED SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AND DO EXPLORATORY AND THEN MOVE ON A BASE BY FACE.BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IF WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD, IT WOULD BE A DENIAL BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT NO MATTER WHAT.
AND IT'S BEEN STATED SEVERAL TIMES, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU QUOTED, ONCE THAT VINYL GETS UH, UH, DISCONNECTED, IT'S NOT GONNA GO BACK.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EVEN IF YOU'RE DOING EXPLORATORY, IT'S GONNA CAUSE MORE DAMAGE.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE TO GO AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONERS IS WHAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED ALREADY, IS DO AN EXPLORATORY SO WE CAN HAVE AN ACCURATE PICTURE OF WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE SO THAT IT'S NOT COSTLY TO THEM AND THEY'RE NOT IN VIOLATION.
YOU SAID AT THIS POINT EARLIER IN YOUR THING YOU SAID IT WOULD BE A DENIAL.
SO DOES THAT MEAN I JUST DON'T TOUCH MY VINYL SIGHTING? SORRY, I'M CONFUSED.
NO, WHAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS NOT DO A DENIAL.
BUT THE RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE HAVE INSUFFICIENT INFORMATION.
IT'S TO YOUR DISADVANTAGE AND WHAT STAFF IS DOING AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION IS LOOKING TO, IS HOW DO WE BEST SUPPORT THE STANDARDS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW DO WE KEEP YOU IN TO BE ABLE TO GET WHAT YOU NEED.
AND LIKE CORY STATED IS EXPLORATORY.
DO LIKE A CO WHAT WAS IT SHE YOU STATED? UH, IN A CERTIFICATE.
I MEAN, I THINK REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE TODAY, YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE OPTIONS TO KEEP EXPLORING THIS WITH STAFF.
AND SO THE MORE INFORMATION YOU CAN PROVIDE, THE BETTER.
AND SO YEAH, WE CAN WORK WITH YOU TO REMOVE A SMALL SECTION ON THE BACK OR SOMEWHERE WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE SUPER OBVIOUS, UM, AND ASSESS THAT SIDING OR DO A LITTLE BIT ON ALL FACADES.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA ASSUME THAT THE CONDITION IS THE SAME ON ALL FALSE ODDS.
UM, AND THEN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH US ON WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATION WOULD BE NEEDED.
BUT I THINK
UM, YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND MORE INFORMATION AND THEN PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL REQUEST.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T, CAN WE REMOVE THE WOOD AND REPLACE WITH NEW WOOD? IS THAT APPROVABLE? YEAH.
EVEN IF IT'S SLIGHTLY OFF ON THE DESIGN.
'CAUSE IT'S YES, IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY ROUNDED.
YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT YES, GENERALLY AS LONG AS IT'S VERY CLOSE.
AND, AND STAFF CAN GO OUT THERE TO LOOK AT CONDITIONS.
YEAH, LOOK, GET PROFILE THAT VERIFY ONCE THAT SECTION IS REMOVED AND WE CAN HELP YOU ASSESS.
SO PLEASE, JUST A SUGGESTION, UM, MAYBE AS A FIRST STEP IN THE EXPLORATORY PROCESS, THE 1929 SAND BOARD MAP SHOWS AN OUTBUILDING ROUGHLY IN THE SAME SPOT AS THE CURRENT ONE.
SO IF IT'S THE ORIGINAL, UM, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO START THERE AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE SIDING.
IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S LIKE SIDING THAT YOU CAN GET FROM HOME DEPOT.
OH, IT IS LITERALLY ROTTING OUT.
AND IT, YOU DON'T THINK IT WAS AN OVERLAY? NO, 'CAUSE THE, MY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY, LIKE THE SHED IN THE YEAH, RIGHT.
I SEE THE SAME BOARDS AT HOME DEPOT JUST NOT PAINTED BLUE.
IT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S NOT ACTUAL LIKE REAL SIDING.
YOU SEE IT IN THE PICTURE, YOU ZOOM IN, BUT UM, YEAH.
AND IT'S LIKE ROTTED OUT COMPLETELY.
IT'S NOT ORIGINAL BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE PIT HAS CHANGED.
UH, VICE CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO YOUR CONTRACTOR JUST ASKED COREY A QUESTION.
UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE WHOLE THING WITH WOOD? WASN'T THAT YOUR QUESTION IS, AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION.
NO, NO, NO, BUT THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
AND, AND CORY SAID YES, THAT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE WORKING WITH STAFF.
SO MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE, UM, ARE YOU, UM, AMENABLE TO THAT, TO HAVING IT BE WOOD? BECAUSE OUR, OUR JOB IS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES AS, AS WRITTEN AND AS WITH INTEGRITY AND WITH AUTHENTICITY TO THE GUIDELINES AND THE GUIDELINES STATE IT SHOULD BE WOOD.
AND SO, AM I CORRECT IN THAT? YEAH.
UM, I WANNA PLAY THE SCENARIO OUT A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
NO DECISIONS CAN BE MADE IF WE CAN'T SEE THE CONDITION OF WHAT EXISTS UNDER THE VINYL.
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POINT WHERE NO MATTER THE END GOAL, THE VINYL HAS TO COME OFF.SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S HARM DONE IN TAKING THE VINYL OFF BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA GIVE ALL OF US SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.
IS IT HARDY? MAYBE IF IT'S DEMONSTRATED THAT THE WOOD IS BEYOND REPAIR MM-HMM
OR IF IT'S DETERMINED TO BE REPAIRABLE, THEN IT'S GOING BACK IN WITHIN KIND MATERIAL.
EITHER OF THOSE OUTCOMES RE REQUIRE REMOVAL OF THE VINYL.
AND SO THEN BACK TO KIND OF WHAT I HAD SAID ORIGINALLY, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS RIGHT BUREAUCRACY.
SO WE TAKE OFF THE, THE SIDING AND OH NO, IT'S NOT REPAIRABLE, IT'S ROTTED.
IT TOOK ME FIVE WEEKS TO HAVE THIS, UH, UM, MEETING.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEN IT'S EXPOSING MY HOUSE AND OR BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CONCERNS.
RIGHT? UM, AND TO YOUR YOUR POINT, I AM, IF, IF IT'S EASIER TO REPLACE IT COMPLETELY WITH WOOD AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY PRICE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I, I'M AGREEABLE TO TO THAT.
UM, I OBVIOUSLY I WOULD PREFER THE HARDY BOARD 'CAUSE AGAIN, THE MAINTENANCE.
UM, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S NOT AN OPTION OR IF IT'S JUST QUICKER TO APPROVE IT WITH WOOD, THEN, AND MY CONTRACTORS ARE GOOD WITH THAT, THEN I, I'M, I CAN DO THAT.
UM, AGAIN, I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT POPPING OFF THAT VINYL, IT'S NASTY AND THEN MY HOUSE IS EXPOSED AND THEN I'M WAITING, YOU KNOW, FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE.
SO YEAH, THERE IS A SCENARIO WHERE THIS SCOPE IS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
UM, SO TO WHERE IT'S, IF THEY TAKE OFF THE VINYL AND THE HARDY AND THEN SEE THAT IT'S A, SOME OF IT'S, OR MOST OF IT'S IN GREAT CONDITION, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE STRIPS THAT ARE IN CRAPPY CONDITION.
SO THEN IT COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE.
YEAH, IT WOULD BE APPROACHED ADMINISTRATIVELY IN, IN THE SENSE THAT THE VINYL COMES OFF COMPLETELY OR MOSTLY WE GET A REAL SENSE OF THE CONDITION OF, OF THE, THE PROFILE, THE CON THE LOOK OF THE WOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UM, AND THEN WE AS STAFF HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE CAPACITIES SAY, OH, WE CAN PATCH REPAIR IN PLACE.
SO YOU MAY NOT WHAT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
RIGHT? OR IF IT'S DETERMINED UNDERNEATH THAT IT'S SOME'S.
OKAY, SOME YOU CAN REPLACE WITH SOMETHING YOU FIND, OR IF IT'S, IF IT IS TRULY DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR, THEN WE CAN DETERMINE THEN IF A HARDY PROFILE IS, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN EXPOSURES THAT THE GUIDELINES DO ALLOW FOR A FIBER CEMENT, SIDING, CLADDING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE A 12 INCH EXPOSURE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE SCENARIO HERE TOO.
UM, I DO HAVE JUST ONE GENERAL QUESTION.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT, SO I BOUGHT MY HOUSE LOOKING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? LIKE, I LIKE THE WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S VINYL AND I NEED TO FIX THE VINYL, LIKE IT'S, IF THE VINYL WAS GOOD, IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
WHAT IF I TAKE OFF THE SIDING AND YEAH, THE UNDER ONE, MAYBE WE CAN REPLACE IT, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT AND IT'S NOT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING ANYMORE.
IS THERE, I MEAN, IS THAT OPEN TO ANY HISTOR? AM I JUST SOL? THIS IS, I WON'T LEAVE, BEEN A HOMEOWNER FOR TWO YEARS AND I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WENT INTO BUYING A HISTORIC HOME.
SO JUST ASKING GUYS, I KNOW IT'S NOT MY HOUSE, BUT I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NICE SIDING UNDER THERE.
I THINK THERE'S A REALLY GOOD CHANCE.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HOLD YOU TO THAT.
OH, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SCRAPE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SCRAPE IT AND PAINT IT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THE VINYL ENCAPSULATES IT AND IT USUALLY CAN PRESERVE IT FOR 30, 40 YEARS IF IT'S BEEN ON THERE FOR THAT LONG.
I I WOULD LIKE, UH, VICE CHAIR, JUST THANK YOU.
DID YOU, WELL, SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE COULD REMOVE, YOU COULD REMOVE ALL THE VINYL AND THEN STAFF COULD MAKE A, UH, A DETERMINATION OF THE APPROPRIATE WOOD SUBJECT TO GO FORWARD.
YEAH, NO, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS TO THE APPLICANT AND, AND, AND I FEEL YOUR FRUSTRATION.
UM, I JUST REALLY, UH, AND I, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AT IT FROM THE BEGINNING.
UM, MOST OF THE CASES THAT OUR PARTICULAR COMMISSION SEES OUR VIOLATION CASES, WHICH END UP BEING A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE 75% OF THE WORK IS DONE, 80% OF THE WORK IS DONE.
SO I JUST GENUINELY APPRECIATE YOU COMING AT THE FOREFRONT AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, THIS IS OUR, SO THAT THIS COMPANY, THIS IS OUR FIRST TO STORE.
AS, AS SPARTAN, I'M MELANIE, I'M THE OFFICE MANAGER.
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I'M THE OFFICE MANAGER OF SPARTAN.WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE DOING EVERYTHING TO PAR BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD A HISTORIC HOME YET TO DO.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S GREAT AND WE TRY TO KEEP OUR PERMITS ON THE UP.
SO IT IS, WE WANNA GET HER IN TROUBLE BECAUSE IT VIOLATES HER PROPERTY.
UM, UH, UH, AND I DON'T LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT IS DIFFICULT IF YOU ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE GUIDELINES OR YOU'VE NEVER BOUGHT A HISTORIC HOME BEFORE.
SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS.
SO WHEN WE TAKE OFF THE VINYL AND WE SEE IF IT'S REPAIRABLE, OR WE NEED TO REPLACE THE WHOLE THING WITH HARDY OR WOOD OR WHAT, WHICHEVER WAY, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL THAT NEXT HEARING? OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE JUST EMAIL TO Y'ALL? SEND YOU ALL THE PICTURES THAT'S, YOU'LL WORK WITH ME? YEP.
JUST WORK WITH HER TO COME OUT THERE AND CORRECT? YES.
SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOTION NOW.
UM, WOULD THE BEST I, I COUNCILMAN I CAN MAKE THE MOTION.
YOU ATTEMPT
OH,
UH, I, MY OPINION IS IT'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD AND EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT THE MOTION AT THIS TIME, OR, OR, OR THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND I MAKE A MOTION, WE TABLE IT TILL MORE WE GET MORE INFORMATION.
UH, I WAS CAN WE BACK, I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M NOT ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION AS CHAIR, BUT YEAH, YOU CAN.
I'LL, I'LL SECOND, I'LL SECOND HIS MOTION OF TABLING.
YEAH, SO, SO THE MOTION AS PRESENTED NEEDS TO BE TIME CERTAIN, IT'S EITHER THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING OR A SPECIFIC DATE WITHIN 30 DAYS, WITHIN 60 DAYS.
AND IF YOU WANNA HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING, YOU CAN EVEN HAVE WITHIN TWO WEEKS, ET CETERA.
UM, SO THAT FIRST MOTION NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.
SO CAN YOU STATE IT AGAIN? CAN I, I HAVE A QUESTION, SO IF I CAN GET Y'ALL NO, WE'RE ALREADY, OH MAN, REALLY SORRY.
NO, ONCE THE MOTION, WE'VE ALREADY SECOND.
UM, CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION PLEASE? WITH THE TIME, UH, THAT SHE REC THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDED.
WE TABLE THIS DISCUSSION AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE CITY TO INVESTIGATE AND THEN, UH, PROCEED AFTER MORE INFORMATION BECOMES KNOWLEDGE.
WE WORK WITH, WE'RE AWARE OF MORE KNOWLEDGE WORKING WITH OHP.
ONCE AGAIN, WE NEED CLARIFICATION OF YOUR TABLING.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, WHICH REQUIRES THAT YOU PROVIDE TIME CERTAINTY.
THE, THE PART OF WHAT YOU ALSO STATED WAS TO WORK WITH STAFF, WHICH KIND OF ALLOWS THEM TO, FOR STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE APPLICANT WITH CERTAIN GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL.
SO IT IT'S AN EITHER OR TYPE SITUATION.
EITHER YOU DO A CONTINUANCE OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANTS WORK WITH STAFF AND THEN YOU CAN ASK STAFF TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE.
ULTIMATELY, I THINK YOU'RE ACTUALLY, UH, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT WE COULD SPECIFY LIKE THE, THE NEXT CTAP HEARING IS APRIL THE 17TH.
SO THAT DATE COULD BE SPECIFIED.
WE AS STAFF, IF WE'RE GONNA GO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO COME BACK, WE'LL PUT THEM ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE APRIL THE 17TH.
OTHERWISE, IF THERE'S A SOLUTION THAT WE CAN FIND THAT CAN BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT LIKE WE WOULD DO IN ANY OTHER REQUEST.
AND THEN YOU NEVER HAVE, HAVE TO COME BEFORE AGAIN.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA BRING IT UP.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK THOUGH THAT THE, THE MOTION WOULD BE DENIAL, RIGHT? UH, WELL NO, BECAUSE IF THE APPLICANT DOES NEED TO COME BACK, THEN THE REQUEST THEN GETS COMPLICATED.
UH, SO, UM, YOU COULD CONTINUE THIS.
YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO SAY WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT HEARING.
HOWEVER, WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD, THE APPLICANT AND STAFF WILL WORK TOGETHER TO SEE IF THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE SOLUTION.
ALL RIGHT, GIVE IT ANOTHER SHOT.
WE DO A CONTINUOUS, A CONTINUATION TILL THE NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
AND IN THE INTERIM HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF TO HOPEFULLY MAYBE GET A RESOLUTION BEFORE THEN.
I, I SECOND, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE BRI REGARD? AYE.
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AYE.SO YOU HAVE SOME LEEWAY AND HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BEFORE US.
Y'ALL EXPLORE THINGS, YOU CHECK THINGS OUT AND THEN, UH, STAFF WILL BE THERE TO GUIDE YOU AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE LADY BEFORE YOU.