* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Call to Order] [00:00:02] PRESENT? YES. COUNCIL PRESENT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, WE WILL SKIP OVER THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. THERE'LL BE WITH US NEXT MONTH. [Consent Agenda] WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA. UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION TO THE N R P GROUP APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS NON-COMPETITIVE 4% HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO READ THIS. I STARTED READING IT. SO, UM, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF TRADER FLATS, A 324 UNIT, AFFORDABLE MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED AT 8 6 7 1 SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10 IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR. MOTION TO, WE HAVE THAT ONE. MOTION TO APPROVE. UH, COUNCIL, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FROM COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR? NO. OKAY. THESE ARE BOTH, SHE'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH ON CONSENT. AND THEN YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND READ THAT NEXT ONE, BRANDON. ITEM NUMBER THREE, RELU RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION FOR TAMPA APARTMENTS LPS APPLICATION TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. NON-COMPETITIVE 4% HOUSING TAX CREDITS PROGRAM FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF TAMPA APARTMENTS. A 200 UNIT AFFORDABLE MULTI-FAMILY RENTAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 200 TAM UH, TAMPA HOLE STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT TWO ITEMS ON AGENDA. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT, UH, THESE TWO ITEMS. TWO AND THREE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES THOSE TWO ITEMS ON CONSENT. [4. 19-8415 Briefing and possible action on the Performing Arts Strategic Plan. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Debbie Racca-Sittre, Director, Department of Arts & Culture] (Part 1 of 2)] WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO INDIVIDUAL ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PERFORMING ARTS STRATEGIC PLAN. AND DEBBIE ROCK SITTER'S GONNA GIVE US A PRESENTATION. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND CHAIR, UH, GONZALEZ. I'M DEBBIE ROCK SITTER, THE DIRECTOR OF ARTS AND CULTURE. AND I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PERFORMING ARTS STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GOING. THERE WE GO. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S OUT OF ORDER. THE, UH, WITH THE PERFORMING ARTS STRATEGIC PLAN, IT'S A PART OF THE CULT TO ART PLAN, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH HAD STRATEGIES FOR FILM MUSIC CENTER, THE ART ARTS, FUNDING, PUBLIC ART, AND OUR CULTURAL DISTRICTS. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO, UH, OUR CULTURAL PLANNING FOR PERFORMING ARTS. WE DO A SURVEY EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. SO WITH THE CULTURAL ART PLAN, WE DID A COMMUNITY SURVEY AND WE'RE DOING A COMMUNITY SURVEY. UH, WE JUST COMPLETED OUR SECOND RESURVEY AND THAT RESURVEY INCLUDED THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WERE TWO YEARS AGO. BUT WE ADDED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR PERFORMING ARTS RELATED TO PERFORMING ARTS ORGANIZATIONS AND VENUES. THIS SEEMS TO BE MISSING A LOT OF SLIDES HERE. UM, , WE HOSTED, I'LL GO BACK ON THE COMMUNITY SURVEY. THERE WERE OVER A THOUSAND RESPONDENTS. THERE WERE OVER A HUNDRED PER COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THERE WERE 420 RESPONDENTS THAT WERE VISITORS. WE HAD 1400 ARTS PATRON RESPONDENTS THAT DID PAPER AS WELL AS ONLINE. AND ALL OF THE SURVEYS WERE DONE IN ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH. AND WE HELD A COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. IT'S NOT SHOWING THERE'S DIFFERENT THAN OURS. YEAH. IT'S NOT SHOWING THE SLIDES. I'M LIKE, I'M MISSING ALL THESE SLIDES. YEAH. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FIRST GROUP. OKAY. I WAS KIND OF GONNA TRY TO FIX THIS. YOU CAN USE MINE. LET ME START OVER. YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN, IF YOU WANT, WE CAN, SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO ANOTHER ITEM? WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS FOR BRIEFING. IF IT WOULD TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN AB. YES, SURE. OKAY. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? SO, DEBRA, DEBBIE, YOU CAN RELAX FOR A MINUTE. OKAY. AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UH, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION FOR [00:05:01] TASK FORCE EVALUATION BY CITY CONSIDERATION REQUEST TO REVIEW CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND THEIR IMPACT ON CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT COSTS. SO THIS IS OPPOSED TO, OH, UM, MIKE'S HERE, HOW ABOUT, AND I THINK THIS WAS A C C R FROM COUNCILMAN BEIS. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. IS SHE, IS HE HERE? I DIDN'T SEE HER YET. OKAY. RIGHT. SINCE WE MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND. SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND, UH, GIVE THE BRIEFING. ALRIGHT, WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, MIKE, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU FOR JUST A MINUTE. WHY DON'T WE DO THE LAST ITEM AND THEN THAT'LL GIVE COUNCILMAN , UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ARRIVE. AREN'T YOU ALSO GIVING THAT PRESENTATION? I GOT THREE FOR YOU. I'LL DO ANY ONE YOU WANT. UM, SO WHY, WHY DON'T WE, SO THAT'LL GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO GET HERE. 'CAUSE, UH, EVEN I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE C C R AND THE REQUEST, SO I'LL LET HIM PRESENT THAT. UH, AND THEN WE, WELL, UM, HE JUST WALKED THROUGH THE DOOR, SO, OH, OKAY. COUNCILMAN. OH, HI. HEY, COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, , I WAS JUST ABOUT TO HAVE MIKE BRIEF ON YOUR, UM, C C R. SO I'LL LET HIM, UH, GIVE THE BRIEFING AND THEN I'LL LET YOU MAKE SOME COMMENTS. SO [5. 19-8368 Discussion and possible action on the recommendations for the task force evaluating a City Council Consideration Request (CCR) to review City of San Antonio development regulations and their impact on construction and development costs. [Roderick Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Michael Shannon, Director, Development Services]] GO AHEAD, MIKE. ALRIGHT. PROCEED WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE. OKAY. UM, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, OR THERE IT IS. OKAY. SO, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, MIKE SHANNON, UH, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT A FEW ITEMS. BUT THIS ITEM SPECIFIC IS RELATED TO A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST THAT WE GOT FROM, UH, THAT WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCILMAN ELAS, UH, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO. AND IT'S, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE COST IMPACT OF PROPOSED U D C AMENDMENTS. SO LET'S SEE IF THIS ONE WORKS. OKAY, SO, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN AUGUST OF, UH, I'M SORRY, IN AUGUST OF, UH, 2018, WE GOT ONE. AND COUNCILMAN PIAS HAD TALKED ABOUT U D C AMENDMENTS, UH, BUT SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE CITY TO LOOK AT, UH, THE FEASIBILITY OF AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS FOR EACH U D C AMENDMENT. UH, WHAT WAS HAPPENING, IF YOU REMEMBER A GOOD YEAR AGO, A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT. WE HAD THE MAYOR'S, UH, AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING TASK FORCE. WE HAD THE MAYOR'S REPORT ON HOUSING, UH, TASK FORCE. A LOT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE HAPPENING. SO ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT WAS MISSING, OR IS MISSING IS HOW DO WE QUANTIFY, UH, OVER THE YEARS, ALL THESE U D C AMENDMENTS OR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND HOW CAN WE INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT INTO THE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY MORE, MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. UH, AS WE, AS YOU KNOW, THE U D C UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ESTABLISHES, UH, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, UH, WITHIN SAN ANTONIO. I'LL TALK IN ANOTHER PRESENTATION, UH, ABOUT HOW THAT UPDATE HAPPENS EVERY FIVE YEARS, BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN IN 2020. SO THIS IS A TIMELY, UM, UH, DISCUSSION. SO, UH, NOT ONLY DO WE, EVERY FIVE YEARS LOOK AT THE U D C, WE CALL THOSE THE IN CYCLE AMENDMENTS. EVERY FIVE YEARS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO OPEN THE BOOKS, UH, GO THROUGH A LOT OF CLARIFICATION AND UPDATES. BUT WE ALSO, AS YOU KNOW, HAVE TO UPDATE IT. WE CAN'T WAIT EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO SINCE 2015, WE'VE HAD 11 CALLED OUT OF CYCLE AMENDMENTS. THOSE ARE USUALLY FOR THE LARGER ITEMS. THINGS LIKE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ISSUES THAT WE TACKLED A FEW YEARS AGO, WHICH LANDED ON AN ORDINANCE THAT AFFECTED BOTH CHAPTER 35 AND CHAPTER 16 OF OUR CITY CODE. THE MILITARY LIGHTING OVERLAY DISTRICTS WAS UPDATED HABITAT, COMPLIANCE FORM, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO NOT ONLY ARE WE DOING IT EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT EVEN OUT OF CYCLE. SO THERE'S A PROCESS EVERY TIME, UH, WE LOOK AT MODIFYING THE CODE OR REVIEWING SOMETHING, THE FIRST THING WE'LL DO IS WE'LL LOOK FOR A STAKEHOLDER GROUP IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE COUNCIL OFFICES AND OR THE APPROPRIATE STAKEHOLDERS, UH, THAT IT'S RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, ET CETERA. SO FOR THIS PROCESS, WE DID THE SAME THING. WE CREATED A TASK FORCE. UH, WE HAD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOUNDATION ON THERE, SAN ANTONIO BOARD OF REALTORS REAL ESTATE COUNCIL, AND THEN SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, LEADERS THAT WERE, UH, ACTUALLY WERE REACHED OUT TO YOUR OFFICES, UH, AND ASKED FOR ANY, UM, ANY, ANY, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANYBODY TO SIT ON THIS. SO WE GATHERED THIS GROUP TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMIC OR COST IMPACT OF, UM, CODE AMENDMENTS MOVING FORWARD. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD THREE MEETINGS TO REVIEW THIS. SO EVERYONE GENERALLY LIKED THIS IDEA, BUT THEN THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH EVERY GOOD IDEA. WE WORKED THROUGH THE DETAILS AND THE ISSUES. SO, UH, WE LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, WHICH WRITES AND DEVELOPS ALL THE BUILDING RELATED CODES, THE BUILDING CODE, FIRE CODE, ELECTRICAL CODE, ET CETERA, UH, THAT WE ADOPT LOCALLY, AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION AND OTHERS. SO, SOME KEY TOPICS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THIS STAKEHOLDER GROUP, UM, THAT, THAT WE FACILITATED WAS CERTAINLY AFFORDABILITY, THE AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING OR ANY CONSTRUCTION IN OUR CITY. UM, WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, CODE CHANGES COULD DO, UH, WHETHER GOOD OR BAD TO AFFORDABILITY OF CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING HOUSING OR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. BUT THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA [00:10:01] LOOK AT COST IMPACT STATEMENTS OR COST IMPACT ANALYSIS OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, HOW COMPLEX DOES THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS? YOU CAN ALL IMAGINE THAT IF WE ADD SOMETHING TO THE CODE, THAT MAYBE IT'S AS SIMPLE AS GOOGLING AN ESTIMATE, UH, OF HOW MUCH DOES THIS COST TO ADD TO A BUILDING, UH, OR MAYBE EVEN REACHING OUT TO AN ARCHITECT, UH, OR AN ENGINEER TO ESTIMATE, HEY, WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE IF I ADD TO A BUILDING, BUT OTHERS MAY NEED A P H D ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, STUDY THAT'S THREE INCHES THICK OF A BINDER THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW SO THAT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY WAS DISCUSSED. ANOTHER KEY ISSUE WAS, IF WE MAKE THIS TOO BURDENSOME TO, UH, TO, AS A BARRIER TO, UM, CODE AMENDMENTS, WE, WE DON'T WANNA EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM BEING PART OF THE CODE UPDATE OR CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS. SO WE HAD MANY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS THAT WERE PART OF THIS PROCESS, AND THEY EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT, HEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES TO GO GET ONE OF THOSE BIG PHD, UH, ECONOMIC STUDIES. UH, THAT MIGHT TAKE A LONG TIME. SO WOULD THAT PRECLUDE THEM FROM BEING PART OF THE PROCESS? AND THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY NO. UH, NO ONE WANTS THAT. UH, AND WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IS A, A WAY TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. AND THEN FINALLY, LIKE, WHO REVIEWS THIS COST IMPACT OR ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS? WHO DOES IT? DOES THE CITY DO IT? DO WE HIRE A THIRD PARTY? DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN QUALIFICATIONS? AND WE'VE ANSWERED THAT, UM, WITH OUR PROPOSAL. SO AFTER THOSE FEW MEETINGS, UM, THE TASK FORCE MAKES SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I'M, UH, RECOMMENDING NOW. SO WE, WE DO BELIEVE THE U D C, UH, DOES, UH, REQUIRE A CHANGE. THE U D C CHANGE PROCESS IS CODIFIED, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, NEXT PRESENTATION. BUT IT, WE, WE DO NEED TO ADD SOMETHING THAT SAYS, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY, UH, THE COST IMPACT. AND THERE'S CERTAIN WAYS TO DO THAT, AND I'LL WALK THROUGH THAT. SO WE BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT. THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU WOULD INCLUDE IS VERY SIMPLE. IS THIS GOING TO INCREASE, DECREASE, OR HAVE NO NET CHANGE TO COST? SO THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL IDEA. SO YOU DON'T, THERE'S NO NUMBERS THERE, BUT IF YOU'RE ADDING, UH, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA REQUIRE EVERY HOME TO BE BUILT OUTTA STEEL, RIGHT? AS OPPOSED TO WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION, WE KNOW THAT WOULD INCREASE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. UH, NOW YOU MAY HAVE TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER WITH THAT CODE CHANGE, AND I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT TODAY, BUT, UH, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. THE, THE DOCUMENTATION, YOU SHOULD PROVIDE SOME DOCUMENTATION, BUT THAT DOCUMENTATION CAN BE IN A WRITTEN NARRATIVE FORM. IT COULD BE IN COST ESTIMATES THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM EITHER PROFESSIONALS. YOU MAY HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH ONLINE, OR MAYBE YOU DID GO AND GET SOME HELP AT ST. MARY'S UNIVERSITY OR U T S A OR SOMEONE, UH, TO DO ONE OF THOSE LARGE STUDIES. IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. AND THEN THE PROCESS WILL DICTATE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR THAT NEEDS TO GO. WE ARE REQUIR, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE REMOVAL. THERE IS A DATE IN, UM, UH, IN, UH, THE U D C RIGHT NOW. THERE'S TWO DATES. THERE'S A DATE FOR DEADLINES NEXT YEAR, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. BUT, UH, OF MAY 1ST, IF YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE SOMETHING, YOU NEED TO GET IT IN BY MAY 1ST. THERE'S THIS WEIRD DATE OF JULY 1ST THAT TALKS ABOUT SOME CHANGES AND STUFF. NO ONE ACTUALLY USES THAT. IT ACTUALLY CAUSES SOME CONFUSION. THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED YOU HAVE TOO MANY DATES. IT'S CONFUSING. WE WANT A CLEAR DEADLINE OF MAY 1ST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A, A, A VERY CLEAR PROCESS. SO, UH, WHAT WE PROPOSE AND WHAT THE TASK FORCE CAME UP WITH WAS AN UPDATED APP APPLICATION. YOU CAN'T READ THIS ON THE SCREEN. I CAN'T READ IT ON THE SCREEN, BUT JUST I PUT IT UP HERE. PAGE ONE IS EXISTING. PAGE TWO IS NEW. AND I'VE JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT A LITTLE BIT. THE UPDATED APPLICATION, THIS DOES, NO, NOTHING BETTER FOR YOU. I KNOW YOU CAN'T READ IT. SO, UM, I, I, I ASKED YOU TO TRUST ME ON THIS ONE, BUT PAGE TWO IS JUST THE COST IMPACT STATEMENT. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE A CHANGE, YOU WOULD JUST DECLARE WHETHER IT'S AN INCREASE OR DECREASE OR NO NET CHANGE. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR ACTUALLY. THIS IS THE EXACT CONCEPT THAT THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL USES AT THE INTERNATIONAL CODE HEARINGS FOR THOSE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES AND ELECTRICAL CODES THAT WE ADOPT. THE, THE SECOND PART THERE, PART SIX, IS WHERE YOU GET TO PROVIDE THAT RATIONALE. WHETHER YOU WRITE IT IN, TYPE IT UP, PROVIDE AN A REPORT OR SOME ESTIMATES, IT'S CLEARLY UP TO YOU THAT WILL BE PRESENTED, UH, THROUGH THE CODE UPDATE PROCESS. SO THERE IT IS. THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE THE CODE TO REQUIRE A COST IMPACT STATEMENT AND APPROPRIATE JUSTIFICATION WITH YOUR CODE AMENDMENTS SO THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY, UH, COMMISSION, UH, THE ZONING COMMISSION, ALL OF THOSE PROCESSES, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE REVIEWING THAT, AND EVENTUALLY YOU CITY COUNCIL CAN MAKE A BETTER DECISION ON HOW THAT CODE, UH, WILL IMPACT COST, AND THAT WE CAN WEIGH THAT TO THE BENEFIT, UH, MOVING FORWARD. SO, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT. AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO THE COUNCILMAN. OKAY. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER PALIS, YOU WANNA, UM, UM, NOT MUCH OTHER THAN JUST TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING IT UP. UH, AND TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, [00:15:01] UH, BY WAY OF REMINDER, WHEN WE ALL SAT AROUND THIS TABLE, WE HAD OUR HOUSING COMMISSION STAND UP HERE AND TELL US THAT THE FIRST $25,000 OF THE COST OF ANY NEW HOME IN SAN ANTONIO WAS ASSOCIATED WITH COMPLIANCE WITH U C. AND THAT IT ADDED NO, UH, THAT THERE WASN'T ANY ADDED VALUE THAT WAS BEFORE STICKS OR BRICKS OR ANY CONCRETE WAS POURED DOWN. THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING THEY HAD. I KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, RIGHT, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE PASSING ALONG COSTS. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE AIMING WITH THE CCR AND THIS PROPOSED PLAN IS THAT WE BE CONSCIENTIOUS AND MINDFUL ABOUT THAT COST, THAT WE CAN ZERO DOWN, UH, AGAIN, A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR ABOUT WHAT THAT COST REALLY IS GONNA BE PASS FORWARD. SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. UM, WE RECENTLY, UH, PROPOSED AND PASSED AN ORDINANCE. I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE WAS SIGNED FOR BABY CHANGING STATIONS, RIGHT? NOT YET. NOT YET. OKAY. SO EVERYBODY WAS IN SUPPORT OF ADDING BABY CHANGING STATIONS, AND YET, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A COST, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT JUST $200 FOR A PLASTIC BABY CHANGING STATION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY HAVING TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO, YOU KNOW, CHECK TO SEE IF OUR BATHROOMS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE STILL, ARE A D A COMPLIANT ONCE THAT BABY CHANGING STATION IS TURNED DOWN, RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH, UH, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE? DOES THE BABY CHANGING STATION REQUIRE ANY RETROFITS, RIGHT? OR ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY ADDITIONAL, UM, UM, ANCHOR POINTS AND ALL THAT. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE GOOD IDEAS THAT WE HAVE HAS A COST. AND ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS THAT WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT COST ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE GOT WHEN WE PASS AN INITIATIVE. THAT'S IT. THANKS. UM, THANK YOU. UM, UM, CAN I QUESTION? SO, UM, THANKS. WAS THERE A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT, UM, FROM DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY OR SURE, SURE. THERE WAS, IN FACT THAT THEY DID NOT. YEAH. RUCKUS APPLAUSE, UH, IS, UH, IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE KEEP HEARING EVERY TIME WE BRING THIS UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE IS A SENSE EVENT OUT THERE, RIGHT OR WRONG. THERE IS A FEELING OUT THERE THAT WE ARE VERY QUICK TO ADOPT REALLY GOOD IDEAS AND THEN, UH, PUSH THEM THROUGH FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS. EXCEPT THAT WE ALWAYS LEAVE OFF THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS THIS GONNA CAUSE THE END COST, THE END USER AND THE END USER? OFTENTIMES, NO, NOT OFTENTIMES EVERY TIME IS THE RENTER OR THE HOMEOWNER TO WHOM THE COST IS BEING PASSED ON, RIGHT? AND SO WE HEAR FROM THE LOW INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPERS, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST BOTTLENECK FOR YOU TO BUILDING MORE OF THIS LOW INCOME HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT? AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL SAY, LOOK, IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF US WANTING TO ONE DAY WAKE UP AND JUST NOT BUILD OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, MARKET RATE VERSUS AFFORDABLE OR LUXURY. THE MATH HAS TO PENCIL OUT, AND SOMETIMES THE MATH DOESN'T PENCIL OUT BECAUSE THE COSTS IMPOSED UPON US DON'T PERMIT US TO ACTUALLY MEET THAT NEED. SO WE HAVE TO BUILD OUT A MORE EXPENSIVE PRODUCT, THEREBY ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PEOPLE TO FALL BETWEEN THE CRACKS. ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS TO, UM, SEASON THE CONVERSATION WITH MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COSTS WITH THE EXACT SAME FERVOR THAT WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION WHEN IT COMES TO DOING THE RIGHT THING. THAT'S IT. SO, UH, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, YES, THERE WAS A LOT OF, SO, UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO I, I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO MY COLLEAGUES. SO, BECAUSE ISN'T IT GOING TO, OBVIOUSLY IT DEPENDS. ABSOLUTELY. UM, AND SO THEN HOW DO YOU ASSOCIATE A COST? IF YOU HAVE, UH, I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M THINKING OF THE, WE WERE IN THE MANY OF US COUNCILMEN, UM, AND MYSELF AND ACTUALLY AND COURAGE ARE ALSO ON THE HOUSING TRUST. AND THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT CAME FORWARD THAT WAS A REHAB PROJECT IN MY DISTRICT. AND I SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE SUSTAINABLE WHITE ROOF PROGRAM THAT PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE CHARGING STATION FOR CARS. YET THIS IS, THIS IS AN AFFORDABLE PROJECT WHERE REALLY THE PRIORITY IS TO GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT NECESSARILY TO PRACTICE OUR SUSTAINABILITY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PASS A CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, BUT THAT EVERY PROJECT SHOULD ALSO REFLECT OTHER PROGRAMS. BUT THAT IS GOING TO ADD A COST. I KNOW, WHICH IS WHY I WAS RELUCTANT TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE OF, OR TO SUGGEST IT, BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IF WE ALSO WANTED TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE PRODUCT, THERE'S LIKELY GONNA BE A COST TO THAT. SO YET WE KNOW THAT THE STANDARDS TODAY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE ALREADY PRETTY HIGH FOR SUSTAINABILITY. SO WHERE DOES THAT, UM, I MEAN, SO IS WHAT, SO SAY WE, FOR EXAMPLE, WANT TO, WELL, HE MENTIONED THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS. I'M THINK OF, I'M THINKING OF ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS IN REHAB PROGRAMS. MM-HMM. , ALL THAT HAS TO BE, THE COST HAS TO BE VETTED BEFORE WE PUT IT IN. [00:20:01] IT JUST HAS TO BE DISCUSSED. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS IF YOU PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT UPFRONT, UH, YOU HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF HOW YOU WANT TO DO THIS, UH, YOUR ANSWER COULD BE, IT'S DEFINITELY AN UPFRONT COST. I'VE ESTIMATED IT TO BE X, AND, BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S WORTH IT. IT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT, THIS, THIS PROPOSAL WILL DECREASE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE I'M GONNA ELIMINATE OR PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE AS AN ALLOWANCE IN THE CODE. OR IT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE, IT DEPENDS. IN THIS SCENARIO, IT MIGHT BE MORE IN THIS SCENARIO, IT MIGHT BE LESS. WE ALSO OFFER IN THE FORM SOME GUIDANCE AS TO, UH, IF YOU WANT, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT UPFRONT COSTS VERSUS LONG-TERM COSTS, WHICH A LOT OF THE SUSTAINABILITY ARGUMENTS, LIKE THE ENERGY CODE AND OR CHARGING STATIONS, STUFF LIKE THAT, SOMETIMES IT'LL BE MORE UPFRONT, BUT OVER THE LONG TERM, YOU'LL GET THAT RATE OF RETURN, UH, AND YOU'LL GET LONG TERM SAVINGS. SO THE KEY HERE IS THAT THE DISCUSSION HAPPENS AT THE BEGINNING WHEN YOU ARE FORMULATING YOUR IDEA FOR A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, YOU SHOULD ALSO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW DOES THAT AFFECT COST. THERE'S NO ABSOLUTE RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER. AND THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU INCREASE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT GONNA GO THROUGH BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE WORTH IT. UM, BUT THE PROPOSAL WE HAVE TODAY IS JUST GONNA SAY, IF YOU, IF YOU DO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE SOME REFERENCE TO WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE COST IMPACT IS. AND IT'S VERY FLEXIBLE. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF WHAT A COST IMPACT STATEMENT HAS TO INCLUDE. UM, BECAUSE SOME, IT COULD BE REAL SIMPLE AND SOME IT'S GONNA TAKE, TAKE A LOT MORE. UM, OKAY. I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS, BUT LET ME OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR. SURE. I THINK, DOES ANYBODY HAVE, SO I, I THINK, UM, JOHN AND THEN , THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I THINK THIS IS VERY USEFUL AND I APPRECIATE IT, COUNCILMAN, FOR YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD. YOU KNOW, WE HEAR SO MUCH FROM PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING IN DEVELOPMENT AREA SAYING THAT THERE ARE SO MANY COSTS BUILT IN BECAUSE OF WHAT THE CITY MAY REQUIRE. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS WE GO FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK THIS WILL HELP IN THAT DIRECTION. ONE THING I'D LIKE TO DO THOUGH, IS SEE AN, AN UPGRADED TABLE FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT SHOWING US WHAT ARE ALL OF THE COSTS THAT WOULD BE INCURRED BY, LET'S SAY, A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER, A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE, UH, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUILD A 10 STORY OFFICE BUILDING SO THAT WE HAVE A FEEL FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THAT NUMBER, $25,000 ON TOP OF BUILDING A HOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW ACCURATE THAT IS. AND THEN GOING FORWARD, ADDING THOSE KINDS OF INCREASED COSTS FOR NEW REGULATIONS IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN KIND OF ADD TO MY TOTAL. SO I KNOW WHAT I'M SUPPORTING OR, OR MAYBE WHAT I SHOULD BE SAYING. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. SO IF YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT AND SEND THAT TO US, I'D APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU CHAIR. AND, UH, MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT MANNY'S FAVORITE ARCHITECT OR SECOND FAVORITE ARCHITECT IS LAIER FRENCH ARCHITECT WHO SAID A HOUSE IS A MACHINE FOR LIVING. AND HE OFTEN REMINDS ME OF THAT QUOTE. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR THIS BECAUSE THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT AS WE'RE ENTERING OUR U D C AMENDMENTS. UM, THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS, IT DEPENDS. AND I JUST WANNA PLACE THIS, UH, IN FRONT OF US IN TERMS OF WHY WE HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND CODES AND SO FORTH. AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY, WE JUST GOTTA MEASURE THIS AROUND LIFE SAFETY ISSUES. BOTTOM LINE. I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON THAT WE SHOULD BE, THEY WOULD HAVE CODES IN THE CITY AND HAVE PROFESSIONALS DOING THE WORK IS TO PROTECT PUBLIC WELFARE. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO I I, I, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AND I, I THINK WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN ELIAS IS REQUESTING IS, IS THERE, IS THERE FAT IN THERE THAT, THAT ISN'T REALLY THAT PRIORITY? AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REAL, UH, UH, A GREAT START TO HOW WE CAN PEEL AWAY SOMETHING RIGHT AWAY. UH, ULTIMATELY, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT AS WE LOOK AT THESE, UH, POSSIBLE, UH, UH, ADJUSTMENTS TO THE U D C, THAT, THAT IT CAN REDUCE THE COST OF BUILDING. BUT LET'S MEASURE IT. I MEAN, I THINK, UH, SUSTAINABILITY IS A KEY FACTOR. THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE, LIKE, UH, YOU MENTIONED COUNCILMAN, THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A WHITE ROOF, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN ADDED COST, IT'S JUST A COLOR CHANGE. AND SO THERE IS NO ADDED COST TO, TO REQUEST THAT OR TO MAKE THAT PART OF OUR, OUR CODE. AND IT ACTUALLY SAVES MONEY IN THE LONG, IN THE LONG RUN FOR, FOR THE OCCUPANT IN TERMS OF THE UTILITY BILL AND NOT COOLING THE HOUSE, UH, HAVING TO COOL THE HOUSE THAT IS ABSORBING A LOT OF HEAT. UM, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS A LOT OF THE, THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, YOU [00:25:01] KNOW, REALLY KIND OF COME IN AND SEE HOW CAN THEY STREAMLINE, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF PROTECTING PUBLIC WELFARE WHILE ELIMINATING A LOT OF THAT FAT. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS 'CAUSE I KNOW, UM, THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION IS, IS REALLY HUGE ON LOOKING AT THE DECISIONS WE MAKE AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PILOTS THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO INITIATE AS A CITY, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO DOING THIS ADJUSTMENT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS THE TAX CREDIT AND THE TAX ABATEMENTS? AND HOW DOES THAT ALL PLAY INTO HOW WE STRUCTURE, UH, THE U D C AND THE DEVELOPERS AS WE'RE COMING INTO THE NEW APPLICATION? WHAT IT'S GONNA COST, WHAT IT'S NOT GONNA COST, AND WHERE THE BREAKDOWN REALLY FALLS BACK ONTO THE CONSUMER? UM, IF I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION, IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT I KNOW THAT ANY WAY WE AS A CITY CAN TRULY HELP WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO. SO THANK YOU. SO I, I BELIEVE YOU ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION, RIGHT? AND SO, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA, I WAS JUST GONNA JUMP IN. SO I KNOW THIS, THIS COMMITTEE DEALS, AND I THINK YOU DID ON THE CONSENT, BUT THE TAX CREDIT, UM, UH, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS, THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE, I DON'T SEE AS REALLY AFFECTING ANY OF THAT PROCESS. WHAT THIS CHANGE WOULD ACTUALLY DO THOUGH IS ANY PROJECT, AFFORDABLE PROJECT, HIGHER HIGH RISE OFFICE BUILDING DOWNTOWN, THE NEW WALMART BEING DEVELOPED, OR JUST A MARKET RATE HOUSING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, ANY CODE CHANGES PROPOSED SHOULD HAVE AT THE VERY BEGINNING, NOT NEAR THE END, NOT AFTER A LONG, JUST BE, JUST CONSIDER AND BRING TO THE TABLE HOW YOU THINK THAT'LL AFFECT COST. AND THAT WILL START THE CONVERSATION. SO THAT THE U D C PROCESS THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT, THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS IN THE PROCESS. A LOT OF PEOPLE REVIEW THAT BEFORE IT EVEN GETS TO YOU ALL AT THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE. UM, INCLUDING OUR COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY'S INVOLVED WITH THAT. THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION UP FRONT TO SEE IF WE NEED TO ADD, UH, ANY CHANGES TO THE CODE. NOW, IF THOSE CHANGES TO THE CODE, DO ADD SIGNIFICANT COST OR ANY COST, UM, THAT COULD AFFECT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE FUTURE, OF COURSE, BUT AT LEAST YOU WOULD ALL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION WHEN YOU'RE MAKING THOSE DECISION ON THOSE, UH, CODE ADOPTIONS. I HAVE NO QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IT COMES ABOUT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING YOU, YOU JUST SAID, COUNCILMAN, YOU SAID, UH, THE MAIN CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE HEALTH AND SAFETY WHEN WE'RE BUILDING. UH, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, YOU'D MENTIONED SUSTAINABILITY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, A CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION. AND I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE CERTAIN TYPES OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN BUILDING CODES THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDE FOR HEALTH OR SAFETY OF A PARTICULAR BUILDING, BUT MAY HAVE A MUCH BROADER VALUE IN OUR CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE GIVEN CONSIDERATION AND THAT WE DON'T JUST CROSS THINGS OFF. 'CAUSE WE SAY, WELL, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE HEALTH OR SAFETY OF THIS HOUSE OR THIS APARTMENT OR THIS OFFICE BUILDING. 'CAUSE IT COULD AFFECT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IF CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES WERE INCLUDED. UH, AND AND THEY MAY HAVE A COST. SO, WELL, AND, AND SO TO THAT POINT, COUNCILMAN, I, I, I THINK THAT THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, REALLY THE OVERARCHING POINT OF, OF PUBLIC WELFARE IS THAT, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ALL CONNECTED AND THAT EVERY ASPECT OF, OF A BUILDING AFFECTS BOTH THE OCCUPANT AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. SO I I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK ULTIMATELY AS WE LOOK AT THIS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WHATEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE UNDERSTAND ITS FULL IMPACT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, SO DO WE NEED AN ACTION? YES, WE NEED AN ACTION. SO I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE ON THE COUNCIL AND, UM, OR ON THE, UH, COMMITTEE. AND I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS KIND OF AS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT JOHN MENTIONED ABOUT OUT THE IM IMPACT TO THE INDIVIDUAL VERSUS THE IMPACT, THE GREATER GOOD MM-HMM. . UM, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL. YOU WANNA CHIME BACK IN. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GETS QUANTIFIED, WHICH IS DIFFICULT, BUT, UM, SO THE POINT OF THE C R RIGHT? YES. THE POINT OF THE ULTIMATE POLICY CHANGE THAT I'M ASKING FOR HERE IS THAT WE DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS ACTUALLY HAVE THE CONVERSATION EVERY SINGLE TIME ABOUT WHO IS BENEFITED AND TO WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO'S BULL IS GETTING GORED, RIGHT? AND, UH, WHO IS GETTING THE BENEFIT OF [00:30:01] OUR, UM, ENLIGHTENED POLICY, RIGHT? UM, AND THAT DEBATE, THIS ORDINANCE, WHAT IT DOES IS IT WOULD REQUIRE US, OBLIGATE US TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. THAT'S IT. AND, UH, AND HAVE A HEALTHY DEBATE AS TO WHAT THE COST IS. UM, AND THEN EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL DISAGREEMENT AROUND THE TABLE AS TO WHAT THE COST IS, THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T SUGGEST THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE IN CONSENSUS AS FAR AS WHAT THE COST IS. IT'S JUST AN OBLIGATION TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. THAT'S IT. UM, AND, AND IT'S IN RESPONSE TO THE COMPLAINT THAT WE ALL OF US GET QUITE OFTEN, WHICH IS, Y'ALL MAKE POLICY OUT THERE WITHOUT EVER HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT COST, WHICH IS NOT TRUE. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE IT, BUT NOW IN WRITING, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO HAVE IT AND PEOPLE WILL SEE US HAVE IT EVERY SINGLE TIME. AND THERE'LL BE AN APPENDIX ATTACHED TO EVERY ONE OF OUR U D C CHANGES SAYING, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND THIS IS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED BACK AND FORTH, AND A DECISION WAS MADE. THAT'S ALL. IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THEN YOU HAVE A GO AHEAD, JUST COMMENT. SO YOUR ACTION ITEM, YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS GOES TO A FULL COUNSEL. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING TO MOVE FORWARD BEFORE JANUARY? CORRECT. TO A FULL COUNSEL? TO ACTUALLY CHANGE IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT IF WE CHOOSE TO CHANGE THE CODE. AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DO CHANGE THE CODE, UH, WE DO IT BEFORE JANUARY ONE, BECAUSE JANUARY ONE TO ADD THIS IN, TYPE OF CORRECT. INTO OUR FULL DISCUSSION. YES. AND THEN, UM, WITH THE CHANGE OF DATE TO REMOVE THAT, WHATEVER JULY DATE WAS THE JULY DATE, HAVE, YEAH, THAT'S THE MAY DATE. THAT'S JUST A IN ORDER THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION OF FULL UDC, THAT WE'RE NOT STICKING THINGS IN THERE AFTER MAY 1ST WHEN WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF EVERYTHING CORRECTING WITH U D C. YEP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. UM, IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION, VERY NICE GRAPHICS, BUT THANK YOU COUNCILMAN FOR, UH, BRINGING THE CLARITY AND THE SIMPLICITY TO IT, BECAUSE I WAS GETTING LOST THERE. MIC. BUT YOU DID , IT WAS A GREAT, BEAUTIFUL PRESENTATION. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WE NEED TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND HAVE A FULL, UH, FULL CONVERSATION, BUT I'M TAKING THAT AS A COMPLIMENT. YOU BETTER. YOU WILL. YOU SHOULD. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YOU SHOULD. UM, SO WITH THAT, I MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO MOVE THIS TO FULL COUNSEL. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO FULL COUNSEL. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE WILL MOVE ALONG. UM, WHY DON'T YOU JUST STAY UP THERE, MIKE, AND WE'LL, UM, MOVE, UM, UH, AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO LEAVE THE ARTS TO THE END JUST FOR CONSISTENCY. AND SO YOU CAN GO ON WITH, UM, BRIEFING [6. 19-8039 Briefing and Possible Action on proposed Ordinance adopting changes to Chapter 35, the Unified Development Code (UDC), Section 35-310-01 Table 310-1 Lot and Building Dimensions Table, relating to Lot and Building Dimensions in "RM" and "MF" districts. (Roderick Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Michael Shannon, Director, Development Services Department)] AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED ORDINANCE ADOPTING CHANGES TO CHAPTER 35 OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCILWOMAN AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. UM, SO THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, IT'S ALL, I'M SORRY, MIKE. LET, LET ME JUST INTERRUPT YOU ONE SECOND. SO I, I SEE, UH, SIX AND SEVEN, THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS, CORRECT. OKAY, GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO ITEM NUMBER SIX IS, UH, LEMME JUST MAKE SURE I GET THAT. OKAY, HERE WE GO. SO, ITEM NUMBER SIX, WE'VE, UH, IF THE LAST PRESENTATION WAS ALL ABOUT THE COST, UH, THIS PRESENTATION IS ALL ABOUT THE ZONING, RIGHT? SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ZONING AND I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT SIMPLE. WE CAN HAVE, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU LIKE THE GRAPHICS COUNCILWOMAN. THANK YOU, . ALRIGHT, SO ACTUALLY THIS IS ANOTHER COUNCIL, UH, CONSIDERATION REQUEST. THIS ONE WAS INITIATED, UH, BY COUNCILMAN TREVINO, UM, AND REALLY WHAT, UH, BACK IN AUGUST OF 2017, ACTUALLY. SO HE IDENTIFIED, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE INNER CITY AREAS, UH, A LOT IN HIS DISTRICT, BUT REALLY INNER CITY. UH, WE HAD, UH, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING. UH, AND THERE WAS, UH, SOME GROWING CONCERNS THAT, UH, DUE TO SOME EXISTING LEGAL ZONING OF MF 33 MULTIFAMILY ZONING, UH, AND RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY ZONING, R FOUR, IT WAS PUTTING SOME, UH, CHALLENGING PRESSURES ON EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO, UM, THE ADOPTED LAND USE PLANS, CURRENT PATTERNS OF DEVELOPMENT, HE ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UH, TO HELP PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW. SO RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY ZONING AND MF 33. UH, IN OUR CODE, WE ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS LIKE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, 35 FEET FOR RMM, 4 45 FEET, UH, FOR, UH, UH, MF 33, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS DUE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ZONING FOR 80 SOME ODD YEARS. THERE'S BEEN CHANGES OVER THOSE YEARS. AND WE HAVE SOME ZONING THAT GOT CONVERTED IN 2001 WITH SOME MULTIFAMILY ZONING THAT, UM, IS ALLOWED WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THEY'RE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? ALL OF THAT IS LEGAL. IT HAD TO HAPPEN BACK IN 2001. PROPERTY RIGHTS, THE ZONING, UH, PYRAMID BACK THEN AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. BUT, UM, THAT, THAT WAS APPROVED DECADES AGO. AND IT PUT SOME PRESSURES ON, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH INCOMPATIBLE HEIGHTS OR INCOMPATIBLE LOT COVERAGES, UH, WITH THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, DISCUSSION ON RESIDENTIAL MIXED DISTRICTS. SO REALLY THAT'S INTENDED FOR [00:35:01] MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES ONE TO TWO FAMILY, ONE TO FOUR FAMILY DWELLINGS, ALLOWS SOME CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, WE HAVE THE RMM FOUR, RMM FIVE, RMM SIX, UH, IT ALLOWS SOME DENSITY LIMITATIONS PER ACRE WITH SOME MINIMUM LOT SIZES, WHICH I'VE LISTED THERE. THE HEIGHT LIMITATION FOR THAT IS 35 FEET, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OF AN R FOUR, R FIVE, R SIX SUBDIVISION. SO JUST MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICTS. YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH MULTI-FAMILY, 18, 25, 33, 40, 50, 65, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. UH, THE MF 33 IS WHAT WE FIND A LOT IN THE INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, AND THOSE ARE ALLOWED 45 FEET BY, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 45 FOOT STRUCTURE, WHICH COULD BE BUILT AND IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO MAYBE AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THERE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF MEETS OUR CURRENT CODES, BUT MAYBE IS INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND IS CAUSING, UH, SOME PRESSURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, WELL, WHAT DO WE DO? WE PUT TOGETHER A TASK FORCE, RIGHT? UH, ABOUT HALF OF THOSE, UH, EIGHT OF THOSE 16 WERE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. WE ASKED THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY REAL ESTATE COUNCIL OF SAN ANTONIO TO GIVE US SOME MEMBERS, UH, GENERALLY DOING THIS INFILL DEVELOPMENT. WE ALSO ASKED, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GIVE US SOME NAMES IN THOSE, UH, AREAS THAT, UH, THAT ARE HAVING SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OR THAT WANNA BE PART OF THIS. SO WE GOT THOSE. SO YOU SEE THEM LISTED THERE. AND THIS GROUP WAS, UH, THEY WERE GREAT. THEY REALLY ROLLED UP THEIR SLEEVES. UM, THEY TALKED, THEY ARGUED, THEY, THEY THUMB WRESTLED. UM, SOMETIMES IT GOT A LITTLE PASSIONATE, UM, BUT ALL FOR THE, THE BETTERMENT, I THINK OF WHAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH, WHICH IS SOME CHANGES TO THE U D C, UH, TO HELP PROVIDE MORE COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT. SO, UH, THERE IS THE TASK FORCE WITH, UM, SEVEN MEETINGS. WE ALSO HAD A COUPLE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. WE OPENED IT UP. ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR SA SPEAKUP POLICIES. AND WE DID COME UP WITH SOME, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH. THEY, THEY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OTHER ONES THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSED. AND, UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL REALLY TALK ABOUT THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I KIND OF TOUCHED UPON IT. CURRENTLY THE HEIGHT OF A BUILDING BY RIGHT IN AN MF 33 ZONED, EVEN IF IT'S BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO A, A ONE OR TWO STORY HOUSE, UM, CAN BE 45 A FEET. NOW THAT COULD BE A FOUR STORY STRUCTURE, ALRIGHT? IT COULD BE A THREE STORY STRUCTURE AND PRETTY TALL. UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHAT THE TASK FORCE AGREES, AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT I CALL THE BIGGEST IMPACTFUL, UM, CODE CHANGE, IS THAT THE HEIGHT, IF YOU ARE NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, UM, THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD BE LIMITED BY THE, THE RESIDENTIAL RESTRICTIONS. SO 35 FEET. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO HIGHER, YOU NEED TO SEPARATE YOURSELF 50 FEET FROM THAT, THAT EXISTING HOME THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THAT BUFFER. SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME BIG LOTS TO PROBABLY DO THAT. UH, SO THAT ONE, MAKING SURE THAT YOU, UH, KNOW HIGHER THAN WHAT THE OTHER HOUSE NEXT TO YOU COULD BE AT 35 FEET, UM, WAS, UH, I THINK THE BIGGEST, UH, WIN, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. THE OTHER ONE IS FRONT SETBACK. SO AS YOU'RE GOING UP AND DOWN A STREET, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE HOMES, WHEN THEY WERE BUILT MAYBE 30, 40, 50 YEARS AGO, THEY WERE BUILT GENERALLY ALONG THE SAME SETBACK LINE, RIGHT? EITHER 10 OR 20, MAYBE 30 FEET. THAT'S KINDA GET THAT SAME LOOK AND FEEL AS YOU GO UP AND DOWN. WELL, WITH AN MF 33 LOT, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME SETBACK. UH, THE, THE HOUSE NEXT TO YOU MIGHT HAVE A 10 FOOT, UH, FRONT STEP BACK A MINIMUM. BUT THE MF 33 HAS NOTHING. IT ACTUALLY HAS A MAXIMUM. SO YOU'RE GETTING ALL THESE INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENTS KIND OF LOOKING WEIRD. THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE BUILT TOGETHER. NOT THAT THEY HAVE TO, BUT WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO ALIGN THOSE UP A LITTLE BIT. SO FOR THE SMALLER LOTS, THE THIRD OF AN ACRE OR LESS, WHICH IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TAKING THOSE LOTS THAT PROBABLY HAD A HOME ON 'EM AT ONE TIME, OR JUST THAT VACANT LOT THAT NEVER GOT BUILT OUT. UM, IF IT'S ZONED MF 33 AND IT ABUTS A SINGLE FAMILY, YOU'LL, YOU'LL FOLLOW THAT, UH, SETBACK LINE OF, UH, 10 FEET, JUST LIKE THE OTHERS. EXCUSE ME. AND THEN FINALLY, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE OF, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE MULTIPLE STRUCTURES. AND, BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET AND NONE OF THEM FACE THE STREET. NONE OF, NONE OF THE FRONT DOORS FACE THE STREET. WE CALL THAT STREET ORIENTATION. THERE MIGHT BE FOUR OR FIVE, SIX STRUCTURES. THEY KIND OF, THEY ALL FACE EACH OTHER. THEY CREATE A LITTLE COURTYARD AND THEY'RE NICE, THEY'RE POPULAR, BUT THEY REALLY CAN BREAK UP THAT CONTINUITY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT. THE TASK FORCE, AND THIS WAS A HOTLY DEBATED ONE. UH, WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAD SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS AND WE FELT THAT, UM, THE PROPOSAL SHOULD INCLUDE AT LEAST THE FRONT STRUCTURE SO THAT YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE, DOWN THE, UH, DOWN THE STREET, SHOULD HAVE YOUR FRONT DOORS DESIGNED AND YOUR STREET ORIENTATION DESIGNED WITH A FRONT WALKWAY AND MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT. NOW, THE OTHER ONES BEHIND IT, IF THERE'S [00:40:01] FOUR, FOUR STRUCTURES THEY CAN FACE IN WHICH YOU WON'T REALLY SEE THOSE. SO THIS STREET ORIENTATION WOULD THINK THAT ARCHITECTURALLY LOOK MORE LIKE KIND OF THE EXISTING FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THOSE WERE THE THREE PROPOSALS THAT CAME OUTTA THE TASK FORCE THAT GOT GENERAL CONSENSUS. UM, WHEN I SAY GENERAL CONSENSUS, NOT EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY WITH EVERYTHING, OF COURSE. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF OTHER TOPICS, UH, DISCUSSED. SO THIS WAS KINDA LIKE A PRECURSOR TO NEXT YEAR'S 2020, UH, U D C AMENDMENTS BECAUSE HOW YOU MEASURE HEIGHT, PERCENT OF LOT COVERAGE, SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED VERSUS DETACHED. SHOULD YOU MAKE 'EM ALL, UH, IF YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY, SHOULD THEY ALL BE ATTACHED OR, OR NOT ALLOW ANY TO BE ATTACHED? UH, WATER MANAGEMENT AND LID REQUIREMENTS, UH, LOW IMPACT DESIGN, A LOT OF THOSE WERE DISCUSSED AND DEBATED, BUT WE ACTUALLY TABLED THOSE BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T REALLY SPECIFIC TO MF 33 OR RMM FOUR. REMEMBER, THE PURPOSE OF THE C C R WAS TO ADDRESS THAT SPECIFIC CONDITION. THOSE TOPICS ARE ACTUALLY PART OF THE BIGGER, BROADER DISCUSSION THAT COULD BE OTHER DISTRICTS INSIDE FOUR 10, OUTSIDE FOUR 10, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WHILE THERE WAS SOME GOOD DISCUSSION, IT REALLY WASN'T, UH, GERMANE JUST TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY MORE FIT TO THE 2020 AMENDMENT PROCESS. SO WE FELT THAT THAT WAS GOOD. SO I, I LIST THEM HERE. THEY'RE KIND OF TABLE TOPICS. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT CUT ON THE, ON THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, THEY'LL JUST BE ON THE, ON THE SHELF AS WE START THE 2020. SO OUR, UH, WE, WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON THIS ONE. UM, THEY, UH, AGREED WITH THE PROPOSAL. THEY ADDED A COUPLE OF CHANGES, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR LOTS LESS THAN A THIRD OF AN ACRE. UH, CLARIFYING THAT THAT 35, 50 35 FEET IS THE MAXIMUM MAXIMUM AS OPPOSED TO A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALLOWANCE. AND THEN CLARIFYING THAT THAT HEIGHT LIMITATION DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU'RE ABUTTING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A HOUSE. IF IT'S NOT A HOUSE AND THERE'S A CHURCH NEXT TO IT OR SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED, BUT IS IT MORE OF A COMMERCIAL, MAYBE NON-CONFORMING THAT WOULDN'T PRECLUDE YOU FROM, UM, UH, BUILDING IT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. SO THAT'S THE TIMELINE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE. IT, IT, IT'S BEEN A GOOD YEAR OF CHALLENGING DEBATE. UH, VERY PASSIONATE, UH, WANT GOOD, GOOD COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'RE HERE TODAY, UH, ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL. AND, UH, THERE'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. SO WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, THE THREE CODE CHANGES I DESCRIBED. UH, WE THINK THIS WILL ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE COMPATIBILITY OF DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING, IT'S NOT STOPPING. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. AND, UH, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE, UH, TASK FORCE MEMBERS. I REALLY, EVERY TIME I DO ONE OF THESE, I SHOULD THANK THEM. BUT THIS TASK FORCE REALLY DID, UM, PASSIONATELY DEBATE AND, UH, AND THEY MADE IT THROUGH ALIVE. SO I JUST WANNA THANK THEM. SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MIKE, ANY CHANCE ANY OF THOSE MEMBERS ARE HERE TODAY? I DIDN'T SEE ANY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST, UH, SO WE COULD ACKNOWLEDGE THEM. YOU OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I THINK THIS WAS A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION BY COUNCILMAN VINNO. YES. COUNCILMAN, DO YOU WANNA START? UH, NO, JUST, UM, THANK YOU. UM, MIKE, UH, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK AND OF COURSE TO THE TASK MEMBERS, UH, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, REALLY, UH, ESPECIALLY THE, THE CENTER CITY. UH, WE'RE SEEING QUITE A LOT OF THIS, BUT IT'S REALLY ALL OVER THE CITY. UM, AND OF COURSE WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I THINK, UH, THE WORK SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. UH, WE'VE NEEDED A LOT OF CLARIFICATION WHEN IT COMES TO, TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. AND, AND ZONING IS, IS SOMETHING WE SEE QUITE A LOT. AND THIS IS IN, IN, IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE DESIGNATIONS. SO WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, SO YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS. WHAT IS OUR ACTION ITEM? IS, IS IT TO GO TO A FULL COUNCIL CONSIDERATION? TO A FULL COUNCIL? I'M SORRY. YES. 'CAUSE THIS IS A CODE CHANGE THAT WE NEED A FULL COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. WE'RE PROPOSING, IF YOU LIKE IT HERE TODAY, THAT WE WILL PUT IT ON THE, I THINK THE DECEMBER 5TH TO CHANGE THIS. OKAY. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE CHOSE, WE CHOSE TO BRING THIS FORWARD, UM, AS SOON AS WE CAN. BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES THROUGH WITHOUT THIS CODE CHANGE COULD, COULD BE THAT FOUR STORY NEXT TO A HOUSE. 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT IS CODE COMPLIANT TODAY. UH, SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET THIS PASSED. SO IT'S A, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD, UH, AT LEAST STARTING EVEN IN 20, UH, 14 LARGE AREA REZONINGS BECAUSE THE USE WAS SINGLE FAMILY, BUT THEN THERE WERE POCKETS OF MF 33 WITHOUT SINGLE, WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. SURE. SO WE DID, UH, LARGE AREA REZONINGS TO MAKE IT COMPATIBLE, UM, IN THE HOT WELLS AREA IN, IN AND AROUND, UM, OTHER AREAS, EASTERN TRIANGLE MM-HMM. , UM, ET CETERA. SO WE NEEDED TO, TO DO THAT KIND OF LARGE AREA REZONINGS. SO, UM, AND THE WORLD HERITAGE OF COURSE. SO [00:45:02] I GUESS WHEN WILL THIS GO INTO EFFECT? I MEAN, SO IF, SO IF SOMEBODY ALREADY HAS A MF 33 ZONING IN A SINGLE FAMILY AREA ON BETTY JEAN SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AND THEY HAVE AN MF 33. SO YOU'RE SAYING WHEN THEY GO TO DO THEIR PLAN, THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION, WHEN THEY GO TO PUT IN THEIR SITE PLAN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THIS IS WHEN ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL GO INTO EFFECT. YEAH. SO, AND IT'S ACTUALLY, LEMME JUST TOUCH BASE. YEAH. SO YOU TOUCHED BIT LARGE AREA REZONING. YEAH. WE COULD ATTEMPT TO CHANGE ALL THE ZONED PROPERTIES. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW HOW CHALLENGING THAT IS TO PROCESS. AND ACTUALLY WE'RE DOING THAT, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, UH, HAS ACTUALLY INITIATED SEVERAL OF THOSE. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A, YOU DON'T JUST FIX THE RULES. THERE ARE SOME THAT REALLY NEED TO BE REZONED APPROPRIATELY. SURE. SO THAT'S ONE SIDE OF IT. AND WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FEW OF THOSE GOING ON IN DISTRICT ONE. UH, WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHERS THAT ARE HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT THIS IS TO CHANGE THE CODE SO THAT IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO THE LARGE AREA REZONING, OR IF IT TAKES A WHILE WHEN YOU PASS THIS CODE, THEN THAT WILL BE THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATION FOR THAT PROJECT. OKAY. WHEN IT COMES IN FOR BUILDING PERMIT. YEAH. SO WITHOUT THIS CHANGE, YOU WOULD BE WAITING FOR THE REZONING PROCESS TO HAPPEN. I GET IT. YEAH. UH, SO, OKAY. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, UM, I GUESS CATCHALL OR A, A PROTECTION. ABSOLUTELY. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I, I SIGNED ON FOR THIS CCR R. MM-HMM. SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT AREN'T GOING. THEY'RE LIKE, NO, I HAVE IT. IT'S MF 33, I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE IT. AND SO, OKAY. BUT WE WILL HAVE THOSE FRONT SETBACKS. WE WILL HAVE THE STREET ORIENTATION. SO PART ONE OF THE THINGS I, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE FRONT SETBACK HELPS WITH PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY OPTIONS EVEN IN THE FUTURE. 'CAUSE SOME IN THE, IN, IN THE URBAN AREA, WE HAVE VERY NARROW STREETS IN SOME AREAS. SO THIS COULD BE HELPFUL, UM, IF WE NEED TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS OR BIKE LANES OR WHAT HAVE YOU. SO I THINK THIS IS IM IMPORTANT OR, UH, BURY THE, UH, UTILITIES. MM-HMM. . AND THEN FOR STREET ORIENTATION THOUGH, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR THE PROPOSED, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT GENERAL CONSENSUS. SO I AM CURIOUS, UM, WAS THIS ONE THAT WAS HOTLY DEBATED OR, OR SOMETHING? THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR STREET ORIENTATION? IT WAS ACTUALLY, OKAY. THERE WAS SOME DEVELOPMENTS, UM, WHERE, UH, SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE BUILDING THESE MM-HMM. , UH, TALK ABOUT, UM, THAT REQUIRING THAT, UH, THAT, THAT STREET ORIENTATION ON THOSE FRONT TWO MIGHT ACTUALLY LOSE SOME OF THAT COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE. YEAH. SO SOME OF THEM ARE CREATING A FOUR OR SIX UNIT YEAH. SMALL MINI NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT SOME BUYERS WANT NOW OTHERS FELT, WELL THAT'S KIND OF TAKEN AWAY FROM THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD, KIND OF SPECIFIC TO KIND OF THE GENERAL CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING. SO IT WAS DEBATED MM-HMM. . UH, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT ENDED UP, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT THROUGH AND WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TODAY IS, HEY, THOSE FRONT TWO SHOULD HAVE THAT FRONT DOOR. YOU CAN STILL HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DOOR INTO THAT COURTYARD SPACE TO CREATE THAT, UH, COMMUNITY. OKAY. UH, AND THAT'S WHERE THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL MAY, MAY BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, HAVE TO BE CREATIVE. UM, SO IT WAS KIND OF A, UM, IT WAS A GOOD DEBATE THOUGH. SO, UM, I THINK THIS IS GETTING INTO MORE TECHNICAL ASPECTS. I'M ONLY THINKING BECAUSE WE HAVE A GREAT SMALL DEVELOPMENT, UH, NEPAL STREET DEVELOPMENT, AND IT DOES HAVE ITS TOWNHOMES AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FRONT DOOR STREET ORIENTATION, BUT IT'S A PHENOMENAL COMMUNITY THERE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU EVEN HAVE A, UH, THE CURB CUT OR THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS FRONT FACING, WOULD THAT BE THEN INCLUDED IN THIS? DOES THAT COUNT FOR STREET ORIENTATION IF THE CURB CUT OR THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS ON FACING THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE DOORS? NO, YOU, THE, THE, THE FRONT ENTRY. SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, AND, AND I SHOULD STEP BACK TO CLARIFY, IT'S IF YOU'RE TWO TO FOUR UNITS AND THE, AND IT'S LESS THAN A THIRD OF AN ACRE. OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'S A PRETTY SMALL I SEE, OKAY. YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT, WE SEE IF YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE OKAY. A LITTLE BIT MORE UNITS TO BUILD, THEN THIS WOULDN'T APPLY. BUT REALLY WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO GO AFTER THOSE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS AND WE WANT THE FRONT DOOR, THE FRONT WALKWAY AGAIN, YOU CAN HAVE A SIDE DOOR COMING INTO THAT SINGLE DRIVE. I, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT SOME, UH, SLIDES THAT THERE WAS BUNCH OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN BUILT AND THERE ARE IN PROPOSAL. I KNOW. OH GOSH. WHY? I KNOW. OKAY. NO. ALRIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, I THINK I AM, UH, I'M GENERALLY, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THESE MOVING FORWARD. SO, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, MOVE THIS FORWARD TO FULL COUNSEL CONSIDERATION. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND, UM, COUNCIL. YEAH. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO ANSWER [00:50:01] A FEW OF THOSE. UH, JUST TO KIND OF ADD ON TO, TO MIKE'S, UH, ANSWERS ABOUT, UH, SOME, THE, THE STREET ORIENTATION, STREET ORIENTATION, UH, IN TERMS, IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE, IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS REALLY ABOUT MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER AND SCALE OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THEY CALL 'EM SLOT HOMES WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE A, A, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF HOMES SORT OF FACING THE STREET. AND THEN IN ONE ON ONE, UH, LOT YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SLOT HOLE IN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH BASICALLY TURNS THEM ALL INWARD. A THE, A SOLUTION FOR THAT WAS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES A SCALE THAT THAT CAN WORK. AND, UH, WE CAN PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES IN, IN DISTRICT ONE AND MISSILE TOE FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE PROVIDING THAT SCALE HELPS TO SORT OF JUST KIND OF MAINTAIN THAT, THAT CHARACTER AND RHYTHM WITHIN THAT BLOCK. AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS WAS, THIS WAS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ASK AND A, A GREAT CODE UPDATE ALSO IN TERMS OF HEIGHTS. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCREPANCIES IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT NCDS WERE ASKING FOR AND WHAT ZONING WAS ALLOWING. AND SO THIS IS HELPING TO SORT OF BRING SOME CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY TO THAT. SO I, YOU KNOW, I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND I GUESS JUST A, A QUESTION, CAN IT BE JUST A FACADE? I MEAN, DOES IT HAVE TO FUNCTION LIKE AN ENTRY? UM, THE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS FRONT ENTRY. SO WE, WE WOULD LOOK AT IT. I THINK IF YOU'RE JUST PUTTING A FAKE DOOR THERE WITH A FAKE FRONT PORCH AND A FAKE SIDEWALK OUT, UH, MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT DURING REVIEW. THE INTENT WAS OKAY. IT WOULD BE ORIENTED THAT, THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE, THE FRONT, THE FRONT ENTRY TO YOUR BUILDING. ALL RIGHT. SO I JUST, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY HOUSE ALSO HAS TWO DOORS. MM-HMM. , THEY DON'T OPEN. UM, IF YOU WANNA ACTUALLY KNOW THAT I'M HOME, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE SIDE. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S COMMON IN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 'CAUSE UM, YOUR HOUSE WILL BE GRANDFATHERED. SO. OKAY. WELL, UM, UH, JUST FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, BUT, UH, OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THIS ITEM. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY POST? SAME SIGN. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. UH, THANK YOU. AND THEN MOVING ALONG, [7. 19-8369 Briefing on the 2020 Unified Development Code (UDC) Amendment Process. [Roderick Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Michael Shannon, Director, Development Services]] MIKE ITEM, WELL, YOU CAN STAY THERE. UNIFIED, UH, BRIEFING ON THE 2020 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. SORRY, DEBBIE . YEAH. WELL, ALRIGHT. UM, SO LEMME JUST, UH, THIS IS THE LAST ONE, BUT IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD, UM, WE HAVE A U D C IN THE CITY. WHAT? AND IT'S GONNA BE UPDATED NEXT YEAR. SO, UM, SO HERE'S OUR 2020 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. THIS IS JUST A SET TO STAGE REAL QUICK. UH, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS A LOT NEXT YEAR. UM, SO OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, OF COURSE, CHAPTER 35 OF THE CITY CODE REALLY HOUSES, UM, OUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, SUBDIVISION PLATING, ZONING, STREET, AND DRAINAGE, UM, ALL THE PROTECTION OF, UH, NATURAL RESOURCES TREE, OUR TREE ORDINANCES IN THERE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT VERSION WAS ADOPTED IN 2001. AND, UM, SO WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT GETS UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS. NOW, SPECIFICALLY THIS SECTION IS CODIFIED. SO IT GIVES US GUIDANCE AS TO HOW AND WHAT AND THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA TAKE A FULL YEAR AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO AMEND THE CODE? WELL, UH, SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE THE CODE, UH, MORE WORKABLE, UH, EFFICIENT, MAKE IT ADMINISTRATIVELY EFFICIENT. UH, WE WANT TO, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS ELIMINATE UNNECESSARY DEVELOPMENT COSTS. KEYWORD, THEY'RE UNNECESSARY, RIGHT? IF WE FIND THOSE THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARY, UM, WE SHOULD FIND WAYS TO ELIMINATE THOSE. UH, AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO REFLECT CHANGES IN LAW, STATE LAW, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THE CHANGES, UM, THAT WE NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT. NOW, AMENDMENTS, I JUST PUT THIS UP HERE. THIS IS A LIST. IT'S PRETTY MUCH AMENDMENTS CAN BE INITIATED BY CITY STAFF. ZONING, COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, H D R C, EXTERNAL PARTIES, THIS IS KEY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUSINESSES, ET CETERA. CITY COUNCIL. SO PRETTY MUCH ANYBODY CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT PRETTY SOON. YOU MIGHT NEED A COST IMPACT STATEMENT THOUGH. OKAY. SO, UM, SO, AND THEN ONCE I GET AN AMENDMENT, WHAT DO I DO WITH IT? OKAY, SO THE CODE TELLS US, WELL, THERE'S REALLY THREE TYPES OF AMENDMENTS. THERE'S EDITS, UH, REALLY NO IMPACT, NO IMPACT TO THE INTENT OF THE PROVISION, WHICH IS EDITING THE WORDING OR WE'RE CLARIFYING CLARIFICATION. SO, UH, EASE OF INTERPRETATION AND UNDERSTANDING. SO MANY OF YOU, IF YOU'VE EVER COME THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR A PERMIT, A LOT OF TIMES IF WE ENTER INTO ONE OF THOSE GRAY AREAS OF THE CODE, WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT CODE SAYS, WHY IT SAYS IT, AND CAN I, CAN I GIVE YOU A PERMIT, UH, FOR WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO? NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF BLACK AND WHITE. SOME OF IT'S VERY EASY, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED. NOW, THE THIRD ONE IS CALLED THE RULE INTERPRETATION, DETER DETERMINATION. NOW, THESE RIDS, R I D RIDS, ARE DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THE FIVE YEARS. SO AS I AM INTERPRETING SOMETHING WITH MY STAFF OR MAYBE AN O H P WITH SHANNON, UH, AND HER STAFF, SHANNON MILLER AND HER STAFF, SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO INTERPRET [00:55:01] IT. WE FORMALIZE IT, WE WRITE IT DOWN. SO THE NEXT TIME WE GET TO THE, THE CODE, WE KNOW WE JUST GONNA CHANGE THAT SECTION OF THE CODE TO CLARIFY. SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE, UH, KIND OF THE NORMAL EDITS. NOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO SPONSOR ANYTHING ELSE. SO IF YOU WANTED A POLICY CHANGE AND YOU WERE JOE CITIZEN OR JOE, A COMMUNITY GROUP OR BUSINESS GROUP, AND YOU WANTED A REAL POLICY CHANGE, YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GET THEM TO SPONSOR THAT. THEY WOULD HEAR IT, TRY TO VOTE ON IT, AND THEN THEY COULD SPONSOR THAT AMENDMENT. SO THOSE WOULD START WORKING THROUGH OUR PROCESS. AGAIN, JANUARY ONE IS KIND OF LIKE THE START. THAT'S WHEN WE START ACCEPTING ANY AMENDMENTS. MAY 1ST IS THE DEADLINE FOR WHEN I CAN ACCEPT ANY AMENDMENTS. SO GET 'EM IN AND THEN WE'LL START REVIEWING 'EM AS CITY STAFF JUST TO GET 'EM IN ORDER, GET 'EM IN LINE, GET 'EM TEED UP. UM, WE'LL ALSO THEN IN MAY, JUNE AND JULY, WE'LL HAVE REVIEWS BY MY STAFF, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE REVIEWING THEM TO, TO VERIFY ARE THEY JUST AN EDITOR CLARIFICATION OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO SPONSOR, UH, TO SEE IF THEY WOULD SPONSOR THAT CONTINUING ON AS WE GET INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS, IT GOES BACK ALL OF ONCE THEY'VE BEEN ALL, UM, UH, PUT IN THE RIGHT LINE, WHETHER IT BE AN EDIT CLARIFICATION OR ACTUALLY A POLICY. MORE AND MORE MEETINGS OF THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THEN THE BOARDING COMMISSION MEETINGS, ZONING COMMISSION PLANNING COMMISSIONS, ALL IN AN EFFORT. UM, OH, I SHOULD, I SHOULD ADD, UH, VERY IMPORTANT PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TO GET TO YOU. SO WE ALL WANT TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS, WHETHER IT BE THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UM, WHETHER WE HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AS WE, AS WE INVITE JUST OUR PUBLIC INTO THESE MEETINGS OR HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS FOR THEM, WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU AND CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR ADOPTION, UH, AND, AND TO GO LIVE JANUARY, 2021. SO IT'S A YEAR LONG PROCESS. UH, WE KEEP EVERYBODY IN THE LOOP. SO THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF ESSAY SPEAK UP, UH, WHETHER IT BE SURVEYS, SOCIAL MEDIA. WE HAVE D S D ACADEMIES WHERE WE ACTUALLY TRAIN PEOPLE ON DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CODE, THE PROCESS, UH, WHERE THERE'S, WE DO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, LIVE STREAMING OF OUR PTAC AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, ALL OF THAT YOU'RE USED TO. NOW WHAT? WE HAVE A WEBSITE THAT, THAT, THAT WILL HOUSE ALL OF THESE. I MEAN, WE HAD 275 CHANGES LAST TIME, AND I THINK OVER 500 WERE PROPOSED. SO ABOUT HALF OF THEM MADE IT TO THE END, UH, IN 2015. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OF COURSE, TRAINING RIGHT BEFORE AND ALONG, UH, AS WE GET INTO 2021 ON THOSE CHANGES. SO THAT'S A VERY SHORT, CONDENSED VERSION OF A VERY LONG PROCESS, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GEARED UP FOR. UH, BUT IT DOES TAKE, UH, NOT ONLY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, WHETHER IT BE T C I O H P, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, UM, AS WELL AS OUR OUTSIDE STAKEHOLDERS, AND THAT'S DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND COMMUNITY GROUPS. SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OF THAT. THANK YOU, MIKE. UH, THIS IS FOR BRIEFING PURPOSES ONLY FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO IF YOU HAVE SOME, UH, QUESTIONS ON THE PROCESS, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. YEAH, MIKE, BASED ON OUR PRIOR, UH, DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, CODES AND, AND, UH, PROCESSES AND COSTS, WILL, COSTS BE INCLUDED IN ALL OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENT CODES AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE TWO. YES. SO, UH, AS I MENTIONED, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE HAD ABOUT 500 PROPOSALS LAST TIME, AND THEY STARTED THE PROCESS AND ABOUT 275 OR SO MADE IT TO THE END. THIS TIME WE'LL HAVE 500 PROPOSALS, PLUS OR MINUS WHATEVER COMES THROUGH OUR DOOR. EACH ONE WILL HAVE A COST IMPACT STATEMENT. UH, I'M SURE SOME WILL BE QUANTIFIED DOWN TO THE PENNY. OTHERS MAY BE A LITTLE ESTIMATES, OTHERS MIGHT JUST HAVE A GENERAL FEEL. UM, AND WE'LL, OUR, MY JOB WILL BE TO BRING THAT ALONG SO THAT I CAN PRESENT TO YOU WHAT THOSE ESTIMATED COSTS FOR ALL OF THEM, WHETHER IT BE COMBINED INDIVIDUALLY, AND THAT'LL BE HOW I PRESENT IT TO YOU ALL AT THE END. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH STAFF FOR ALL OF THAT BUDGETARY WORK? YES. OKAY. , THANK YOU. DRAMATIC PAUSE. YES. DO YOU LIKE THAT CONFIDENCE THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR ANYONE ELSE? SO I GUESS I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THE PROCESS. SO YOU MIGHT ALSO, SO, UH, IN THIS ELIMINATE THINGS THAT WERE NOT NECESSARY ANY LONGER MM-HMM. SURE. OKAY. SO THAT IT'LL BE A WHOLE SWEEP YEAH. OF THE, UM, OKAY. SO I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. AND SO WHEN DOES THE CONVERSATION OPEN? YEAH. SO, UH, JANUARY 1ST IS WHEN WE START ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS. AND AS WE START ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS, WE'LL HAVE AN, WE'LL HAVE A WEBSITE THAT JUST KIND OF STARTS THE CONVERSATION, KEEPS EVERYBODY UP TO DATE. UM, BUT ON MAY 1ST, WHEN I KIND OF CLOSE THE APPLICATION DEADLINE IS WHEN WE START HAVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE O OPEN COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND STUFF. SO REALLY, JANUARY ONE IS [01:00:01] WHEN WE START, AND THEN WE WILL BE BRIEFING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, ALL OF YOU, ALL NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, THAT TYPE OF THING. UH, SO IT'S REALLY A YEAR LONG PROCESS. AND SO, I MEAN, WE RECENTLY PASSED A CLIMATE ADAPTATION PLAN. I HEARD, IS THAT LIKE, UM, AN OVERARCHING THEME? I MEAN, SO DO YOU ALL GO FORWARD WITH THOSE PRESENTATIONS OR YOU JUST GO STRICTLY ON INPUT FROM COMMUNITY? NO, I THINK, UM, AS WE START GETTING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FROM ALL THOSE THAT I'VE LISTED THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, CERTAINLY WE HAVE POLICY DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL, WHETHER IT BE THE CLIMATE, UH, AND ADAPTATION PLAN, WHETHER WE HAVE ESSAY TOMORROW, RIGHT? ALL OF THOSE PLANS TO GIVE US GUIDANCE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. AND, AND SO, UM, IT'S NOT DONE IN A VACUUM. ALL OF THAT'S CRITICAL. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I CERTAINLY ROD'S HERE, BUT, UM, AS, AS WE WORK WITH ROD, UM, AND OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY AND OTHERS, UH, ALL OF THAT WILL BE SOMEWHAT INCORPORATED. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T NEED DIRECTION FROM US TO TELL YOU, TAKE THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE NO, I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US THAT BY PASSING THOSE PLANS. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. UM, ALRIGHT. THIS IS JUST A BRIEFING, RIGHT? SO NO ACTION REQUIRED THERE. OKAY. THANK [4. 19-8415 Briefing and possible action on the Performing Arts Strategic Plan. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; Debbie Racca-Sittre, Director, Department of Arts & Culture] (Part 2 of 2)] YOU VERY MUCH, MIKE. WE WILL, UH, NOW COME BACK, UM, TO A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PERFORMING ARTS STRATEGIC PLAN. SO HOPEFULLY IT, I HOPE THIS WORKS THIS TIME. CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN HEAR YOU OKAY? YES. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA TRY THIS AGAIN, AND HOPEFULLY ALL MY SLIDES WILL SHOW UP THIS TIME. UM, OKAY. IT'S A GOOD START. IT'S A GOOD START. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE GOT THE FIRST ONE, FIRST PAGE, UH, THE PERFORMING ARTS STRATEGIC PLAN. SO THIS IS GREAT FOR THE PLANNING AND COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE TO BE REVIEWING, UH, THE PERFORMING ARTS STRATEGIC PLAN. AND IT'S KINDA LIKE MIKE SHANNON SAID, WE HAVE PLANS, AND THEN THAT'S DIRECTION TO FROM COUNCIL TO GO OUT AND DO THESE PLANS, FOLLOW THE PLANS, AND IMPLEMENT THE PLANS. SO IT'S DOING IT AGAIN. NO SKIPPING. IT'S SKIPPING HALF MY SLIDES NOW. THERE YOU GO. GOT IT. OKAY. YOU MAY HAVE TO DRIVE AND I'LL ASK YOU TO, 'CAUSE I THINK MAYBE IT'S ME, UH, PUSHING THE WRONG, WELL, I'M NOT PUSHING THE WRONG BUTTON, BUT, OKAY. SO, CULTURAL PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT THE SAN ANTONIO ARTS COMMISSION HAS BEEN THE STEERING COMMITTEE ON OUR CULTURAL PLAN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. AND WE ALWAYS LOOK AT EQUITY, UH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. AND WE DID A FILM PLAN IN OCTOBER OF 2016. THE CENTER OF THE EARTH IS PLAN IN 2017. THEN IN 2018, WE DID UPDATE TO THE ARTS FUNDING GUIDELINES FOR DELEGATED AGENCIES, A PUBLIC ART PLAN AND A MUSIC PLAN. AND IN 2019, UH, WE HAVE A PLAN FOR CULTURAL DISTRICTS. AND SO THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT A PLAN FOR PERFORMING ARTS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE GONNA BE DOING IN FISCAL YEAR 20, AND IT GOT KIND OF PUSHED UP TO DO THIS A LITTLE BIT FASTER, BUT IT'S GREAT. SO WE HAVE GREAT INFORMATION FROM STEVE NIVAN ON OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE CREATIVE ECONOMY AND OF THIS CREATIVE ECONOMY. A BILLION OUT OF THE 4.8 BILLION IS PERFORMING ARTS. WE'VE ALSO DONE A FOLLOW-UP SURVEY WITH DI INC. THAT'S A NATIONAL SURVEY COMPANY. WE'VE HAD, UH, THE Y GROUP CONSULTING GROUP DO SOME BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH FOR US. WE'VE HAD COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER WORK SESSIONS, AND THE PLAN HAS BEEN DRAFTED BY THE STAFF. NEXT SLIDE. WE'VE HOSTED TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN OCTOBER WITH OVER 30 ATTENDEES. ALL CITY FUNDED ARTS AGENCIES WE'RE INVITED. THAT'S PERFORMING ARTS AND NON-PERFORMING ARTS. BUT WE ALSO DID A ESSAY SPEAK UP. UH, NOTICE THE SAME THAT WE DO FOR EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE HAD PARTICIPATION BY ALL SIZES OF NONPROFIT PERFORMING ARTS ORGANIZATIONS. WE HAD A PROMOTER, WE HAD VENUES REPRESENTED ARTISTS AND ARTS COMMISSION. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, WE REDID OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY. SO WE TOOK THE SAME SURVEY FROM 2017 AND RE RESUBMITTED THAT, UH, TO THE RESIDENTS, VISITORS AND ARTS PATRONS. BUT WE ALSO ADDED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO PERFORMING ARTS. AND WE HAD, UH, THE, THE RESIDENTS, WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED PER COUNCIL DISTRICT RESPOND. AND THAT WAS A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE BASED ON THE GENDER, AGE, HOUSEHOLD INCOME, RACE, RACE, ETHNICITY, UH, ON THAT SURVEY. SO WE HAVE A GOOD STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT SAMPLE, UM, OF THE RESIDENTS. WE HAVE A GOOD SAMPLE OF VISITORS. AND THEN ARTS PATRONS. THERE WERE 45 ARTS AGENCIES THAT PARTICIPATED IN HANDING OUT THESE SURVEYS IN PAPER AND ONLINE. AND THESE SURVEYS WERE DONE IN [01:05:01] ENGLISH AND IN SPANISH. AND SO THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO PERFORMING ARTS PEOPLE WERE THE MOST INTERESTED OF ALL ART GENRES, MUSEUMS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MUSIC PERFORMANCES WAS THE HIGHEST INTEREST FOLLOWED BY THEATER PERFORMANCES. SO PERFORMING ARTS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE REALLY ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING. AND WE ASK, ARE YOU AWARE OF PERFORMING ARTS? HAVE YOU PARTICIPATED? AND SO AGAIN, MUSIC TOPPED, THEN THEATER, THEN DANCE. WHAT THIS TELLS ME IS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON. AND SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER WORK IN AWARENESS. WE ALSO, UH, ON OUR SURVEY, WE TALKED ABOUT VENUES. WE, WE ASKED ABOUT WHAT WERE THE MOST POPULAR VENUES, WHERE HAD PEOPLE BEEN, UH, AND WHAT WERE BARRIERS TO ATTENDING PERFORMING ARTS EVENTS? SO THE COST, THE TIMING AND LOCATION WERE BARRIERS. UH, MANY RESIDENTS HAD ATTENDED THE MAJESTIC AND THE TOBIN, BUT THE SMALLER VENUES WERE LESS KNOWN. SO WE WANNA GET THE WORD OUT THERE THAT VENUES EXIST. BUT PEOPLE WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON EVENTS, AND THEY WANTED MORE EVENTS OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN AS WELL. WITH OUR BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH, UH, WE BENCHMARKED SEVEN CITIES, LOOKED AT ALL THE CITIES, AND ONLY THREE OF THE SEVEN PROVIDED SPECIFIC SUPPORT FOR PERFORMING ARTS OUTSIDE OF THEIR AGENCY FUNDING. SO ALL THE, ALL THE CITIES WE BENCHMARKED DID PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE ARTS, BUT WE SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO HONE IN ON THOSE WHO HAD ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR PERFORMING ARTS THAT WAS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THEIR REGULAR GRANT PROGRAMS. AND SO MOST OF THEM, UH, THAT DID, THEY ALL FOCUSED ON VENUE COST. AND THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING THAT OUR ARTS AGENCIES AND PERFORMING ARTS GROUPS SAID WAS A BIG BARRIER FOR THEM IS THE COST OF VENUES. SO WE DO HAVE A PROGRAM ALREADY WHERE WE PROVIDE, UH, ASSISTANCE FOR VENUES THAT THE CITY OWNS. FOR INSTANCE, THE LILA COCKRELL THEATER. UM, IF SOMEONE OF OUR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WANTS TO USE THE LILA COCKRELL THEATER, I WOULD WRITE A MEMO TO PATRICIA CANOR, AND SHE WILL WAIVE THE RENT. BUT THAT DOESN'T WAIVE THE FEES THAT COME WITH THE STAGE HANDS AND THE SOUND AND THE LIGHTING, AND ANY RENTAL OF EQUIPMENT OR UTILITIES, HARD COSTS, UH, MAINTENANCE, THINGS THAT, THAT HAVE TO BE PAID. SO WHILE SHE MAY NOT CHARGE, OR WHILE THE CITY MAY NOT CHARGE RENT, PER SE, THERE'S STILL A COST INVOLVED. UH, SAN DIEGO DID THE SAME THING. UM, PHOENIX DID THE SAME THING, BUT THEY ALSO HELPED WITH THOSE HARD COSTS. SEATTLE GAVE UP TO THREE AWARDS PER YEAR. SO THEY GAVE AWAY THREE WEEKS IN THEIR VENUES ONLY, BUT THAT WAS NO COST. SO THEY PAID ALL THE STAGE HANDS, ALL THE BACKSTAGE, EVERYTHING, BUT JUST FOR THREE WEEKS. AND THAT COST THEM ABOUT $250,000 A YEAR TO DO THAT FOR JUST THREE WEEKS. UH, THEN SEATTLE ALSO HAS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR NONPROFIT PERFORMING ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WHO OWN OR CONTROL THEIR PROPERTY. AND WE KIND OF DO THIS WITH OUR BOND PROGRAM, UH, WHEN WE VET THROUGH THE COMMUNITY WITH THE BOND, IF, UH, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION NEEDS ASSISTANCE AND THEY CAN GET COMMUNITY SUPPORT, THEN THAT BOND, UH, MAY CON, MAY CONTAIN MONEY FOR THE ARTS AGENCIES. SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS WITH SAN ANTONIO MUSEUM OF ART WHO GOT SOME MONEY FOR THEIR CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT IN PREVIOUS BONDS. UH, AND THERE'S OTHERS EXAMPLES. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE CAME UP WITH SOME GOALS THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, UH, ENGAGEMENT, AS WELL AS WITH OUR STAKEHOLDER WITH OUR, UM, BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH. SO THE GOALS ALWAYS HAVE A FOCUS ON ENSURING EQUITY. OUR, AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE FIRST GOAL IS TO CREATE AND PROMOTE A STRONG PERFORMING ARTS IMAGE. SO THAT REALLY LEADS TO DEVELOPING THE STORY AND MARKETING, GETTING THE WORD OUT THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING OUR, OUR SURVEYS SAID. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE BUILDING CROSS PROMOTIONAL PARTNERSHIPS, PARTNERSHIPS WHERE OTHERS CAN PROMOTE ANOTHER GOAL, DEVELOP OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCESSIBLE, AFFORDABLE, AND DIVERSE VENUES. SO WE WANNA CONNECT PERFORMING ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WITH THE VENUES, AND THEN LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ASSIST WITH VENUE COSTS. THE NEXT SLIDE, ENGAGING PERFORMING ARTS COLLABORATIONS, DEVELOPING PLAT, MORE PLATFORMS [01:10:01] FOR DIALOGUE, INCREASING PERFORMING ARTS PRESENCE THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO, CONNECTING BUSINESSES, FOR INSTANCE. UH, HAVING OUR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS TALK TO THE ROTARY CLUB AND LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THEIR EVENTS. UM, WE COULD HELP CONNECT IN THOSE WAYS. AND ALSO THROUGH THE CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE, BUT ALSO WITH CONVENTIONS. AND WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH VISIT SAN ANTONIO ABOUT THIS. UM, WE'VE DONE THIS WITH MUSIC WHERE OUR LOCAL MUSICIANS GET JOBS FROM LOCAL CONVENTIONS. UH, PERFORMING ARTS COULD BE THE SAME THING. MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTS A DANCE GROUP TO PERFORM. THEY SHOULD USE OUR LOCAL PERFORMING ARTS, UH, ARTISTS TO DO THAT, AND THEY SHOULD PAY THEM, RIGHT? IMPLEMENTING NEW TICKET MODELS. SO THERE WAS THE IDEA OF TICKET MODELS WHERE DIFFERENT PERFORMING ARTS GROUPS COULD COME TOGETHER AND THEY COULD ACTUALLY WORK ON, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER PACKAGES. SO YOU COULD GO TO THE BALLET ONE WEEK AND THE OPERA THE NEXT WEEK, AND THE SYMPHONY THE NEXT WEEK, FOR EXAMPLE. UH, PACKAGES OF TICKETS ALSO WORKING TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT WE KEEP DIVERSE PERFORMING ARTS GOING, BUT WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME EVENT GOING ON IN THE SAME NIGHT. FOR INSTANCE, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THREE NUTCRACKERS GOING ON ON THE SAME NIGHT. PLENTY OF PEOPLE WANNA GO SEE THE NUTCRACKER, AND WE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE VERY SUSTAINABLE, UH, EVENTS AND THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE PAY TO GO SEE THOSE. BUT LET'S BE MINDFUL AND MEANINGFUL WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. AND LET'S SUPPORT OUR PERFORMING ARTISTS FROM HERE FIRST, UM, WITH THAT AND MAKE SURE WE COORDINATE THOSE EVENTS. THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE TO GO AROUND IN SAN ANTONIO TO GO TO EVENTS. WE SAW IT WITH THE, THE EVENTS, UH, IN THE LAST FEW WEEKENDS. LET'S HAVE MORE PEOPLE COME, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THE EVENTS DON'T ACTUALLY COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER. SO THEN IT GETS ME TO THE CONVERSATION THAT CAME UP IN SEPTEMBER ABOUT, UH, TICKETS. SO INCREASING AND DIVERSIFYING PERFORMING ARTS REVENUE AND TICKETMASTER PROPOSED $50,000 ANNUALLY. AND WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH PATRICIA, UH, CONOR FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER. AND SHE HAS PROPOSED TO DEDICATE 10% OF THE CITY TICKET REVENUE TOWARDS THE PERFORMING ARTS STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH IS ESTIMATED AT $2 MILLION A YEAR, WHICH WOULD BRING $200,000 TO THIS FUND. SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF $250,000 ANNUALLY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ASKING OTHER TICKETMASTER VENUES TO PARTICIPATE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL ASK US TO DO. UH, SO THERE'S A, A LETTER THAT PATRICIA AND I HAVE BEEN DRAFTING THAT WOULD GO OUT TO THOSE OTHER VENUES. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT A STRATEGY ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. WHAT IS TICKET? WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? TICKETMASTER HAS A PROGRAM CALLED DONATE TO THE ARTS. IT'S RELATIVELY NEW, AND IT'S BEEN IN EFFECT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF WITH TICKETMASTER. WE RESEARCHED FIVE CITIES. WE'VE SEEN THAT IT YIELDS ABOUT AROUND 1% OF THE TICKET SALES. UH, PHILADELPHIA IS ONE THAT'S DOING THIS THE MOST SUCCESSFULLY. SO WE PROPOSE A CITY PILOT WHERE WE WOULD PUT, UH, THIS INFORMATION ON OUR TICKETMASTER, WHERE IF YOU WERE BUYING A TICKET FOR SOMETHING AT THE LILA COCKRELL OR AT THE, UH, ALAMO DOME OR AT THE CARVER THAT YOU COULD DONATE TO THE ARTS. UM, AND THEN WE COULD ASK OTHERS WHO HAVE TICKETMASTER TO ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ENDEAVOR. AND THEN FINALLY, OUR 12 MONTH ACTION PLAN. UH, WE WOULD, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THE FIRST YEAR. WE WOULD BUILD A DATABASE OF VENUES AND PERFORMING ARTS RESOURCES, AND WE WOULD POST THAT ON OUR WEBSITE AND COORDINATE THAT WITH OUR BUSINESSES, INCLUDING VISIT SAN ANTONIO. WE WOULD HOLD MARKETING WORKSHOPS. WE WOULD DEVELOP PROGRAMS TO ASSIST VENUE BACK OF THE HOUSE FEES WITH SOME OF THESE REVENUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE TICKETMASTER. AND WE CAN INVESTIGATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS FOR PERFORMING ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WHO OWN OR HOLD A LONG-TERM VENUE LEASE. SO LOOKING FORWARD AT THE BOND OR LOOKING FORWARD AT SEATTLE'S PROGRAM, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY USES MORE OF THE GENERAL FUND TYPE, UH, FUNDS. MAYBE SOME OF THESE FUNDS COULD BE UTILIZED TO HELP THOSE VENUES. UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE JUST TAKEN THIS TO THE SAN ANTONIO ARTS COMMISSION THIS MORNING, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED FEEDBACK THAT IS GONNA BE INCORPORATED, WILL BE GOING TO THE COMMUNITY TOMORROW AT THE GUADALUPE CULTURAL ARTS CENTER, AT THE GUADALUPE THEATER AT 6:00 PM AND THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY, WILL BE LOOKING AT THE PLAN, [01:15:01] AND I PLAN TO COME BACK TO THE ARTS FUNDING COMMITTEE OF, OF THE SAN ANTONIO ARTS COMMISSION, THE ARTS COMMISSION, AND THIS COMMITTEE IN DECEMBER, UH, FOR THE FINAL WITH THE FINAL PLAN AND WITH CITY COUNCIL TAKING ACTION IN JANUARY ON THE PLAN, UH, AND THE FUNDING THAT, UH, HAS BEEN PROPOSED. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UH, OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN, UM, . THANK YOU. UM, THANKS DEBBIE. UH, I THINK MY ONLY QUESTION IS ON SLIDE NUMBER 13 WITH THE INCREASE IN DIVERSIFIED PERFORMING ARTS REVENUE. SO PATRICIA SAYS SHE CAN DEDICATE 10% OF CITY TICKET REVENUE, BUT THEN WHERE IS THAT? HOW MUCH IS THAT? AND DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS ROUGHLY? AND THEN WHERE IS THAT GOING TO BE TAKEN FROM? AS IN WHAT ELSE ARE THEY NOT GOING TO USE THAT, THAT DOLLARS FOR? BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY NOT GETTING IT FROM TICKETMASTER. WE'RE GETTING IT FROM THE CITY, RIGHT? SO WHERE WERE THEY GOING TO PUT THOSE DOLLARS? SO THE REVENUE THAT COMES, UH, IN FOR THE TICKETS GOES TO THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THEY USE IT FOR THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEIR MAINTENANCE OF THEIR BUILDING. SO I THINK YOU RECALL THAT IN THE BUDGET, THEY HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF LAUNDRY LIST OF NEEDS IN THAT BUILDING. YEAH. UH, THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE ALAMO DOME, UH, AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE NORMALLY USING THOSE FUNDS FOR THEIR FACILITIES AND FOR THEIR OPERATIONS. SO IT'S NOT RESTRICTED. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE GOING. NOW, THEY HAVEN'T, THEIR DEBT PLANS SHOULD BE DUE IN JANUARY AND THEY WILL KNOW WHAT THEY'LL BE EXACTLY SPENDING THE MONEY ON. AND BASED ON YOUR ANALYSIS, THEY BILL 200,000. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY CAN AFFORD ON TOP OF THE OTHER EXPENSES. SO 1.8 MILLION WOULD GO TO SUPPORT THOSE ISSUES IN THIS 200,000, THIS FUND. AND THEY FEEL THAT THE FUND IS GONNA GROW, UM, OVER TIME AS A RESULT, YOU KNOW, MARKETING AND BETTER VENUES IN SAN ANTONIO BEING MORE DESIRABLE. SO THIS, UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE ANTICIPATING IT TO BE $200,000? YES. AND THEN THIS $200,000 WILL GO TOWARDS, UM, JUST MORE PERFORMING ARTS OR JUST DIVERSIFY THE PERFORMING ARTS REVENUE. SO THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THIS IS NOT A PART OF THE DELEGATE AGENCY. RIGHT. FUNDING AND THE HOT TAX FUNDING. AND IT WOULD BE DEDICATED TOWARDS PERFORMING ARTS. SO FAR, OUR BEST PRACTICES RESEARCH AS WELL AS THE STAKEHOLDERS INPUT THAT WE'RE RECEIVING INDICATES THAT IT SHOULD GO TOWARDS VENUE COSTS. YEAH. AND DEVELOPING MORE DIVERSE VENUES. SO I GUESS, I THINK I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU ALL HEARD FROM US, BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF AFTER THE FACT. AND WHAT ARE WE DOING THEN, AND A POLICY-WISE? 'CAUSE THIS CONTRACT WITH TICKETMASTER IS GONNA GO ON FOR A WHILE. AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING HERE IS GOING TO BE EMBEDDED IN THE NEXT, UH, R F P THAT WE HAVE GOING OUT. THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST TAKE IT FROM OURSELVES. 'CAUSE WE'RE TAKING IT FROM OURSELVES. WE NEED TO, IT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THE R F P PLAN OF WHOEVER WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT TO. IF YOU WANNA DO BUSINESS WITH THE CITY, THIS IS GREAT. WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS. BUT KNOW THAT PERFORMING ARTS IN THIS ARTS IS IMPORTANT TO US AND WE NEED TO HAVE THIS EMBEDDED IN, IN THIS MOVING FORWARD. UM, I GET WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT WE'RE JUST TAKING IT FROM ONE DEPARTMENT AND GIVING IT TO THIS AREA HERE. UM, SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHY I AM, UH, CON I'M CONCERNED AND CONFUSED ANYHOW ABOUT THIS. FINALLY, UM, MY LAST THING IS THE SMALLER VENUE SURVEY RESULTS VENUE, SMALLER VENUES WERE LESS KNOWN. TELL ME WHICH ARE THE SMALLER VENUES? SO THIS, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SMALLEST VENUE THAT WE HAD ON OUR LIST, THAT WAS A LIST THAT THEY COULD PICK FROM WAS URBAN 15 STUDIO ON SOUTH PRESA IN DISTRICT FIVE. VERY CLOSE TO DISTRICT THREE. YEAH. MM-HMM. . SO THAT WAS THE SMALLEST THAT WE HAD LISTED. UM, THEN WE HAVE JUMPSTART THEY HAVE THAT HAS A, A VENUE. SO, SO I GUESS HOW MANY, UM, SMALLER VENUES WERE YOU, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE HAD LISTED ALL THE VENUES THAT OUR ARTS ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE FUND OH, OKAY. THROUGH OUR, THAT THEY USE. OKAY. WE HAD THOSE ALL LISTED SO PEOPLE WERE WELL AWARE OF THE MAJESTIC AND THE TOBIN, NOT AS MUCH THE LILA COCKRELL, IT WAS FURTHER DOWN ON THE LIST, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LARGE. SO EVEN SO, UM, SUCH AS MAYBE THE GUADALUPE CULTURE, THE GUADALUPE GU LUPE ACTUALLY RATED RELATIVELY HIGH. SURE. SURE. BUT THAT KIND OF SIZE TOO, GUADALUPE JUMPSTART, EVERYTHING LIKE [01:20:01] THAT. OKAY. RIGHT. EVEN TO THE TINY, TINY, LIKE, OKAY. URBAN 15 AND JUMPSTART. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL . THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I DON'T THINK 10% IS ENOUGH. AND IN FACT, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, TO, UH, TALK ABOUT THAT VOTE AGAIN. I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED. AND I, I'M STILL RESENTFUL FOR THAT PRESENTATION. UM, BECAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THERE WAS, THERE WAS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE DEDICATED TOWARDS THE ARTS. UH, AND THAT WOULD BE UP TO DEBBIE ROCK SITTER AND THE CITY TO, TO DO WITH WHAT IT WANTED. IT WASN'T TO ANY SPECIFIC BUCKET. UM, IN ADDITION TO THE 1.5 MILLION, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SAME AS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND WITH THE 10% WE'RE, WE'RE AT 200,000, NOT QUITE THE 500,000 THAT I REMEMBER BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, THAT THIS, THIS WOULD COME BACK TO US, UH, A MONTH LATER, UH, AFTER THAT VOTE TO, TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD DEDICATE SOME DOLLARS. I THINK IT COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN THIS. UH, YOU KNOW, THE THE REALITY IS, IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED FUNDING FOR THE ARTS. AND, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA TRY TO FIND WAYS AND MECHANISMS TO MAKE THAT WORK. THE REVENUES WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. THIS IS THE VERY THING THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS PEOPLE, UH, UH, TO VISIT SAN ANTONIO, TO COME DOWNTOWN TO, TO, UH, EMBRACE AND SUPPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, THRIVING, UH, PERFORMING ARTS INSTITUTES LIKE URBAN 15 AND JUMPSTART AND OTHER FOLKS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR THAT. AND I, AND I, AND I THINK, UH, THE, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL, UH, WAS NOT LAID OUT THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. IT, IT DID NOT COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL CONTINUE TO FIGHT FOR, FOR MORE FUNDING. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORIGINAL, THE, THE LAST CONTRACT HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASICALLY, UM, A LOT MORE MONEY TO, TO OUR, OUR CONVENTION FACILITIES THAN, THAN BEFORE, EVEN WITH THE $500,000 ASK. UM, SO I MEAN, I, AGAIN, I 10%, UH, IS, IS A STEP. BUT, UH, I'LL CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR, FOR MORE FUNDING, UM, FROM THAT TICKET REVENUE. I, I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLOSER TO 20% IF YOU ASK ME. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS GO HAND IN HAND. THE FACILITIES AND, AND, AND THE ARTS MUST GO HAND IN HAND. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT, UH, SOME OF THE MOST DIFFICULT ISSUES REGARDING, UH, PERFORMING ARTS AND THE ARTS IN GENERAL IS, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR FACILITIES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT AS A CITY. AND, UM, AND WITH REGARD TO THE R F P, THAT WAS WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE R F P. UM, YOU KNOW, I, WE DISCUSSED THAT A WHOLE YEAR BEFORE WE TOOK VOTE ON IT. AND, UH, I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IT, IT WAS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, UNFORTUNATELY, WE WON'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT FOR 10 YEARS. UM, SO THERE WE ARE. I I, DO WE NEED A MOTION TO PASS, MOVE THIS FORWARD? NO, IT'S JUST A BRIEFING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES. IN REFERENCE TO THE, UM, TICKET TICKETMASTER PROPOSAL THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL, THERE WAS A ONE TIME BONUS THAT WAS GONNA BE GIVEN FROM TICKETMASTER, I THINK, AND WHERE THAT MONEY WAS GONNA GO. OR IS THIS PART OF THAT 10%? IT IS NOT INCLUDED AS THE 10% IN PART OF THE 10%. UH, THERE IS A $250,000 SIGN-ON BONUS THAT TICKETMASTER WOULD PAY TO CONVENTION SPORTS FACILITIES DEPARTMENT. AND IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PROPOSAL, BUT IT'S A ONE TIME. OKAY. SO WHAT CONVENTION SPORTS FACILITY CAME BACK WITH WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE SUSTAINABLE. THAT WAS MULTI-YEAR AT THE, THE 10% LEVEL. UH, SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WILL USE THAT TWO 50 FOR. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN ASK AND WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION IF YOU'D LIKE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE NEXT THING WAS THE BREAKDOWN OF, OF THE VENUES PER BY DISTRICT. IF WE COULD GET A LISTING OF THAT. AND THEN EXACTLY HOW ARE OUR LOCAL ARTISTS GONNA KNOW WHEN THE, THE OPENING IS FOR THEM TO BE INCLUDED IN THE LISTING? UM, ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY. WE PLAN, UH, WITHIN THE SCHEDULE TO ADOPT THE PLAN, AND WE ARE ALREADY IN [01:25:01] PARALLEL TALKING TO OUR DATABASE COMPANY THAT WE USE FOR FILM AND MUSIC, WHICH IS REAL SCOUT. AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE PLATFORM THAT WE OWN, UH, FOR VENUES, SORT OF, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE USING IT FOR MUSIC, BUT WE WANT TO FLESH THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY FOR PERFORMING ARTS. UH, SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WOULD BE CLOSER, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO. BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO FEBRUARY, MARCH BEFORE WE GET THAT FULL LISTING DONE. UH, THE LIST THAT I CAN PROVIDE YOU NOW IS A LIST THAT WE GAVE TO ADA FOR THE SURVEY, AND I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT SURVEY INFORMATION, BUT THAT'S NOT A COMPLETE AND EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF ALL THE VENUES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE, THAT'S PART OF LIKE, ONCE WE ADOPT THE PLAN, THEN WE WILL GO OUT AND GET THE VENUE LIST. OKAY. AND THEN EXACTLY HOW WAS THE MEETING THAT'S GONNA BE HELD, MARKETED, UM, FOR COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER, HOW WAS THAT PROCESS PUT OUT TO THE PUT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY? AND SO WE DO THAT THROUGH THE, THE ESSAY SPEAKUP GUIDELINES. AND WE DO MARKETING THROUGH, UH, OUR MEDIA CHANNELS THAT WE USE. WE TYPICALLY, UM, UTILIZE THE CURRENT IS SOMEWHERE THAT WE FIND THAT A LOT OF ARTS PATRONS GO TO. AND WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME MORE MARKETED, SOME MORE TARGETED, UH, MARKETING BASED ON SOME ADVICE FROM THE EQUITY OFFICE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ORGAN AT VENUES IN PLACES WHERE WE CAN ADVERTISE WHERE PEOPLE OF COLOR MIGHT BE. UM, BUT WE ALSO ARE DOING IT ON OUR NEWSLETTER, ONLINE SOCIAL MEDIA. WE'RE DOING SOME SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS WITH MEDIA. UH, AND WE, I WAS ON THE, UM, THE T P R SOURCE, UH, LAST WEEK, I THINK IT WAS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT IT WAS JUST LAST WEEK. UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH. WE THINK WE'RE GONNA GET A GOOD TURNOUT, UH, FOR THIS ON, ON, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT. THE GOOD THING IS THAT THE GUADALUPE THEATER IS VERY ACCESSIBLE AND THERE'S, THERE'S GREAT SPACES AROUND FOR PEOPLE TO PARK. IT'S NOT TOO BAD, ESPECIALLY ON A WEDNESDAY NIGHT. UH, WE THINK WE'LL GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK, BUT I WILL LET YOU KNOW DEFINITELY HOW MANY PEOPLE COME. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. UH, GOING TO SLIDE 13. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, TICKET MASTER PROPOSED 50,000 ANNUALLY IN A $250,000 GIFT, SO TO SPEAK. UM, WHAT IS THEIR PROJECTED REVENUE FROM THEIR CONTRACT WITH US? YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER . I WOULD HAVE TO GET PATRICIA TO TELL YOU THAT. UM, I REALLY DON'T REMEMBER. WE CAN PULL THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. WELL, I'M THINKING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE, YOU KNOW, TWO 50 AND, UH, A 50 ANNUALLY. I'M SURE IT'S WORTH MULTIPLE MILLIONS TO THEM. NO, YES, I RECALL IT WAS MORE THAN A MILLION . YEAH, I'M SURE BELOW THAT. UH, ON SLIDE 14, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT DONATE TO THE ARTS? YES. AND, AND BELIEVE ME, I'M WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN REIO, PROBABLY EVERYBODY ELSE, ALL THE ARTS NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING PERFORMING ARTS, I BELIEVE QUITE A BIT MORE THAN MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHERS. AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO THE MUSEUMS LATELY AND THEY'RE SAYING WE NEED MORE FUNDING. SO ALL OF THESE ARTISTIC AND CULTURAL, UH, AMENITIES NEED MORE FUNDING. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEY RELY A GREAT BIT OF, UH, GREAT DEAL OF FUNDING ON THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE IT IS THERE FOR THE PUBLIC AND WE'RE SIMPLY THERE TO HELP ENABLE THOSE TO BE THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. EXCUSE ME. BUT ON THE DONATE TO THE ARTS PROPOSAL HERE, UH, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA PURSUE? OUR PLAN IS THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THAT AS A PILOT FOR ALL THE CITY TICKETS THAT ARE BEING SOLD THROUGH THE CONVENTION SPORTS FACILITY CONTRACT WITH TICKETMASTER. SO YES, WE'RE GONNA PURSUE IT. AND WE ARE ALSO INCLUDING THAT IN OUR REQUEST TO OUR OTHER PARTNERS. UM, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HANG THEIR HAT ON, JUST DONATE TO THE ARTS. WE WANT THEM TO ASK TICKETMASTER TO PUT, PUT SOME MONEY INTO THIS, UH, THROUGH THEIR CONTRACT. WE'D LIKE TO SEE BOTH. NOW THE, UH, DONATE TO THE ARTS, WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN EVERY TICKET PURCHASED FOR ANYTHING THROUGH TICKETMASTER FOR THE CITY OR ONLY THROUGH ART PROJECTS? I BELIEVE THAT THE, UH, CONVENTION SPORTS FACILITY IS PLANNING TO DO IT FOR ALL OF THEIR TICKETS THAT THEY SELL FOR EVENTS AT THE ALAMO DOME, LILA COCKRELL THEATER, AND THE CARVER. BUT ALL OF THE, THE FUNDING [01:30:01] GIVEN BY THE DONORS WOULD GO TO THE ARTS? CORRECT. OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE I'VE SEEN THAT WE MIGHT, AND, AND THIS IS SIMPLY, UH, MONEY FROM THE PUBLIC. IT'S NOT REALLY MONEY FROM TICKETMASTER. THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE HOLDING IT FOR US AND GIVING IT TO US. EXACTLY. I WAS WONDERING IF WE COULD MAYBE GET THEM TO COME ALONG WITH A MATCHING PROGRAM. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, A LOT OF TIMES, UH, TICKETMASTER HAS ODD FEES AND CHARGES. AND SO YOUR TICKET MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, $74 AND 17 CENTS OR SOMETHING. UH, AND A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE PROGRAMS WHERE CAN YOU PUT THE, WILL YOU DONATE THE EXTRA 75 CENTS OR 26 CENTS OR 36 CENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ROUND OFF EVERY TICKET TO A DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND I'M WONDERING IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE TICKETMASTER DO THAT AND THEN MAYBE MATCH THAT EXTRA MONEY. SO LET'S SAY IT AVERAGES FOR ALL THE TICKETS THEY SELL. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T END UP IN EVEN NUMBERS. UH, MAYBE IT'S 26 CENTS A TICKET, MIGHT BE THE EXTRA MONEY THAT THEY ASK THE BUYER TO DONATE, AND THEN WE ASK THEM TO MATCH THAT. IS THAT, UH, SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT AS A POSSIBILITY, UH, SO THAT WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE OUT OF THEM RATHER THAN JUST THEM COLLECTING FOR US FROM THE PUBLIC? SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD EXPLORE THAT AND JUST SAY, THE BUYER HAS A CHOICE ROUND OFF YOUR TICKET TO THE NEAREST DOLLAR. AND TICKETMASTER WOULD MATCH THAT AMOUNT. COULD BE 87 CENTS, COULD BE 26 CENTS, COULD BE 15 CENTS, BUT ALL OF THAT COULD ADD UP TO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT EVERY YEAR. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THIS DONATE TO THE ARTS, UH, PROJECT AS WELL. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DEBBIE. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND I'M, UM, COULD WE ALSO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW MANY OF THESE ARE CITY OWNED FACILITIES? I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT. AND ALSO, WHAT IS THE NEED FOR THOSE FACILITIES? SO, YOU KNOW, I I'M INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT, WITH THE GUADALUPE AND URBAN 15. URBAN 15 IS NOT A CITY OWNED FACILITY. RIGHT. BUT THE GUADALUPE IS, AND THEN MANAGED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CULTURAL ARTS CENTER, BUT IT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF REHAB. OKAY. AND I KNOW OVER THE YEARS THE GUADALUPE HAS GOTTEN BOND MONEY, BUT ALL THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IS FIX THE ROOF AND DO SOME VERY, UM, NECESSARY, UH, REPAIRS TO THE BUILDING. AND THEN BOND MONEY WAS ALSO DEDICATED TO SOME COMMUNITY SPACE IN THE PRO RESO HALL, WHICH WAS ALSO DESPERATE. BUT THE THEATER ITSELF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SOUND QUALITY IS NOT WHAT IT SHOULD BE. I THINK THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THEIR SOUND EQUIPMENT IN LIKE, MAYBE SINCE THE 1980S. I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S IN TERRIBLE NEED OF, OF THOSE KIND OF UPGRADES. AND SO I WOULD SUSPECT THAT OTHERS ARE TOO. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CARVER AND, AND LIKE, WHAT IT'S, HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE IT IN A LONG TIME. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEED IS FOR FACILITY UPGRADES THERE. UM, AND IN FACT, I, I EVEN THINK, WELL, I BETTER JUST STOP THERE. BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT GUADALUPE HAS SOME A D A CONCERNS AS WELL. SO LIKE THOSE SHOULD BE A, I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, THAT THE, THOSE FACILITIES IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALSO, UM, INCLUDED BECAUSE WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET REALLY THE QUALITY, UM, I THINK EXPERIENCE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE QUALITY VENUE. AND, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH OTHERS OF THOSE ARE CITY OWNED. AND EVEN WITH A LIAH COCKRELL, I HADN'T BEEN IN THERE IN MANY, MANY YEARS, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE FUNERAL OF LIAH COCKRELL. AND SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY THERE FOR A PERFORMANCE. AND IS IT UP TO QUALITY STANDARDS AS TERMS OF SOUND AND TECHNOLOGY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS OF THOSE ARE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US, I SUPPOSE, WITH QUESTIONS THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ASKED. AND IF YOU COULD INCLUDE THOSE IN YOUR PRESENTATION. SO LET ME CLARIFY. YOU'RE ASKING FOR ASSESSMENT OF THE FACILITY OF CITY OWNED FACILITIES? THAT'S RIGHT. FOR VENUES. OKAY. YOU CAN DO THAT. IT MAY TAKE A WHILE. YEAH. NO, AND, AND IN FACT, I, I I, BUT WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE PLAN THAT THAT'LL BE A GOAL. I THINK IT SHOULD BE. UM, 'CAUSE YOU, WE'LL NEVER, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST IN GREAT NEED. UM, OKAY. COUNCILMAN GRA JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. DEBBIE, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING A GOOD SHOWING TOMORROW. MM-HMM. . UM, WHAT'S A GOOD SHOWING? SO, UH, WE DID THE SAME PROCESS FOR FILM AND FOR MUSIC. AND WE HELD BOTH OF THE FINAL, UH, UNVEILING OF THE DRAFT PLAN [01:35:01] AT THE GUADALUPE. AND WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE ATTEND. UH, AND THEY WERE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY. OKAY. SO I'M HOPING TO HAVE OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE ATTEND THIS ONE AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LOTS OF, UH, WORK FOR YOU DEBBIE. UM, AND THAT WAS FOR A BRIEFING, RIGHT? NO ACTION REQUIRED THERE, SIR. SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT BRIEFING, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANKS FOR MY COLLEAGUES FOR HANGING IN THERE FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, 40 HOUR 45. [Future Agenda Items] UM, NEXT WEEK. UM, THERE ARE THREE, UM, 4% TAX CREDIT DEALS GOING FORWARD. UM, ONE IS WHITFIELD PLACE IN DISTRICT THREE IN SAN JOSE APARTMENTS IN DISTRICT THREE AND INGRAM SQUARE APARTMENTS IN DISTRICT SEVEN. THOSE ARE FOUR REHAB PROJECTS. THEY'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD, REQUESTING A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION. WE MIGHT HAVE TWO MORE HOUSING PROJECTS AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, UPDATE ON THE AGENDA AS WELL. AND POTENTIALLY, UM, OUR MULTI-FAMILY AND OWNER OCCUPIED, UM, C D B G FUNDING ALLOCATIONS. IF WE ARE NOT READY TO HAVE THOSE, WE MIGHT BE DOING INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS BEFORE GOING TO COUNCIL. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL CHAIR. UM, BECAUSE I KNOW AT THE END OF THE MEETING, UH, ITEMS TO BRING UP, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO BRING UP, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, MORE ABOUT AN AN EVENT MANAGEMENT GROUP OF SORTS BECAUSE, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND THINGS COMING HAPPENING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THERE'S A LOT OF CONGESTION, THERE'S A LOT OF STREETS THAT ARE CLOSED. WE ALL EXPERIENCED IT. IF WE WERE HERE FOR DAY OF THE DEAD, ALI, ALAMO CITY, COMICCON, AND THEN NAVARRO WAS SHUT DOWN AND THEN CESAR CHAVEZ IS SHUT DOWN. UH, ALL OF THESE THINGS. AND THE PROBLEM BECOMES, WE HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE THAT ARE DRIVING IN TO SAN ANTONIO AND OUR HOTELS, OUR BUSINESSES, MAJESTIC IS HAVING A PERFORMANCE. THEY DON'T KNOW OF WHERE TO GO OR WHAT TO DO. C C D O OR CENTRO SENDS OUT SOMETHING BUT A DAY OR TWO BEFORE AND THAT'S NOT PROACTIVE PLANNING FOR EVERYONE. AND SO I THINK IF WE GET ALL OF THE PLAYERS TOGETHER OF AN EVENT MANAGEMENT GROUP OR SOMETHING, WHAT IS THIS GROUP HAVING? WHAT IS THAT GROUP HAVING? WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE? IS NAVARRO STREET GONNA BE OPEN FOR THE LIGHTING OF TRAVIS PARK AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER CONGESTION NIGHTMARE. SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH COLLABORATION, GET SS A P D THERE, GET PUBLIC TRANSIT THERE. 'CAUSE YES, WE CAN TELL EVERYONE TO RIDE THE VIA, BUT THE VIA IS STILL GONNA BE STUCK IN TRAFFIC TOO. AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE UPSET, WHY IS MY BUS LATE? SO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE, UM, ALL OF US TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS AND JUST BE PROACTIVE. SO IF WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL. AND YOU HAVE SOMETHING? UH, YES. UM, JUST TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT LORI WAS SAYING, UM, WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE THAT WE HAVE COMING FORWARD, WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY HOSTING OUR CONTRACTORS OPEN HOUSE. UM, WE HAVE ONE COMING UP ON THURSDAY THE 14TH AT THE CLARK BLACK CENTER. AND THAT WILL BE FROM TWO TO FOUR. SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANY CONTRACTORS, IF YOU HAVE FAMILY THAT HAVE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES THE AFFORDABLE PIECE THAT THE CITY IS GETTING READY TO PUSH FORWARD, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THIS IS THE TIME TO COME OUT AND ACTUALLY GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT THE PILOT PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE PUSHING FORWARD FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE FROM THE CITY. AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE THURSDAY, NOVEMBER THE 14TH FROM TWO TO FOUR AT THE CLAUDE BLACK CENTER. IF YOU KNOW OF ANY CONTRACTORS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE COME OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE. THANK YOU. IS IT, UH, JUST FOR DISTRICT TWO? NO, IT'S OPEN. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S OPEN FOR THE CITY, SO ANYONE CAN COME. THIS IS JUST A WAY TO START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE PROGRAMS ACTUALLY ENTAIL AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE THAT THE CITY IS PUSHING FORWARD. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANKS FOR HANGING IN THERE, COUNCIL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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