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          GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE, AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER. 
          I WILL HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION 
          [Roll Call]
STAFF. 
          MAY WE PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. 
          WE'LL START WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. 
          KEN NOE, DISTRICT SIX. 
          WE, KENNETH DISTRICT FOUR, SUMMER GRADE HOUSE DISTRICT ONE, PATRICIA GIBBONS, DISTRICT NINE, JOHN BUSTAMANTE, DISTRICT FIVE. 
          ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN, FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT YALE MCDANIEL MAYOR. 
          STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. 
          MCC QUORUM IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR MEETING STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. 
          THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. 
          STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. 
          PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. 
          PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN EX INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THE REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. 
          YOU WILL BE CALLED AN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. 
          YOU'LL HEAR THIS WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU'LL HEAR ANOTHER BEEP AND WE WILL INFORM YOU THAT YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP, UP. 
          FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. 
          THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IF WE MIGHT PLEASE, MAY WE GO OVER THE ITEMS THAT ARE EITHER POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. 
          MERKO, CAN YOU PULL THOSE UP? PLEASE MAKE THEM NICE AND BIG FOR EVERYONE TO SEE. 
          THESE TWO ITEMS ARE POSTPONED TODAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO AT 3 34 BURLESON. 
          AND ITEM NUMBER THREE AT 4 1 1 9 WILLARD. 
          WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT THERE WILL BE A NEW NOTICE SENT WHEN THE APPLICANT IS READY TO PROCEED WITH THESE. 
          SO IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THESE TODAY, UH, YOU WILL GET A, A NEW NOTICE ONCE THE APPLICANT IS READY TO PROCEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'RE READY 
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TO PROCEED WITH OUR COMBINED HEARING. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE COMBINED HEARING COM CONTAINS SEVERAL ITEMS, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD TO, UH, BE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, I HAVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, ITEM NUMBER NINE, AND ITEM NUMBER 21 THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL. 
          AND THEN ITEMS NUMBER 24 AND 25, THAT WILL BE A SECOND COMBINED HEARING FOR THE PURPOSE OF A RECUSAL. 
          AND, AND I'M SORRY, WHAT ABOUT 14 AND 15? WAS THAT INCLUDED? AND 14 AND 15 WERE ALSO ADDED, UH, DUE TO AN INDIVIDUAL SIGNED IN TO SPEAK FOR INDIVIDUAL HEARING AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH NUMBER? SO ITEM NUMBER 10 WAS PLACED BACK ON CONSENT. 
          ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HERE TO SPEAK ARE HERE TO SPEAK FOR THE ITEM, AND SO WE CAN HEAR THOSE 
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AT THE TIME THAT THE CONSENT, UH, COMBINED HEARING IS READ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          BEGINNING WITH OUR COMBINED HEARING, ONE. 
          ITEM NUMBER SIX, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE AND A A H O D TO C TWO CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A THE THEATER INDOOR PERMITTING OVER TWO SCREENS AT 50 63 NORTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10. 
          THERE WERE 10 NOTICES MAILED NONE IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST FROM R FOUR A H O D TO R FOUR C D A H O D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT TH 2 31 CHICAGO BOULEVARD. 
          THERE WERE 30 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION AND RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, TO REZONE FROM I TWO TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF MARITA STREET AND SOUTH NAVIDA STREET. 
          THERE WERE 10 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM COLLINS GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 10 TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO C D WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A PRIVATE CLUB WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 67 18 WESTFIELD BOULEVARD, THERE WERE 29 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM CABLE WESTWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 11, TO REZONE FROM R FOUR A H O D TO R FOUR C D A H O D WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS LOCATED AT 8 21 WEST CYPRESS STREET. 
          THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED. 
          FOUR. 
          RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE FIVE POINTS. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 12 TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 2 38 VIA THREES AVENUE. 
          THERE WERE 19 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13, TO REZONE FROM I TWO A H O D TO I D Z ONE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR EIGHT UNITS LOCATED AT 4 0 2 EAST LA CHAPPELLE. 
          THERE WERE 37 NOTICES MAILED. 
          THREE. 
          RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 16 TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX HL. 
          THIS IS FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK LOCATED AT 1 1 1 5 WEST KINGS AVENUE. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          THERE WERE 29 NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, NO RESPONSE FROM BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 17 IS ALSO APPLICATION OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK FROM R SIX TO R SIX HL WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 1 6 0 0 0. 
          HICKORY WELL DRIVE. 
          THERE WERE 61 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND LONGS CREEK, H O A IS IN SUPPORT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 18 IS ALSO APPLICATION AND ESTABLISHMENT OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK DISTRICT OVERLAY. 
          GOING FROM D TO D H L LOCATED AT 5 0 5 EAST TRAVIS STREET, THERE WERE 22 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 19, TO REZONE FROM R SIX H TO R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 600 EAST CARSON STREET, THERE WERE 29 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE IS IN SUPPORT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 20 TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 83 80 CBRA ROAD, THERE WERE 32 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 22 TO REZONE FROM C TWO TO C TWO I D Z. 
          THIS IS ESTABLISHING I D Z AS AN OVERLAY AND ALL O OTHER OVERLAYS WILL REMAIN THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 2000 BROAD BROADWAY STREET, THERE WERE 29 NOTICES MAILED. 
          FIVE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM WESTFORD ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 23 TO REZONE FROM FR TO I TWO, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST OF 
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THE INTERSECTION OF MARTINEZ LA SOYA IN PLEASANTON ROAD. 
          THERE WERE 19 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, ITEM NUMBER 26 FROM R SIX TO M F 18, LOCATED IN THE 8,000 BLOCK OF OAKLAND ROAD, THERE WERE 30 NOTICES MAILED. 
          TWO WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I DO HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON SOME CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY. 
          WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, THOSE INDIVIDUALS COME FORTH, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ROBBIE PFEIFFER. 
          ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 10, I HAVE RICHARD MOORE, FOLLOWED BY ARDO GONZALEZ. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, SIR? THANK YOU. 
          I'M AN ADDRESS, PLEASE. 
          I'M RICHARD MOORE. 
          ADDRESS 1806 MCCULLOUGH. 
          I'VE BEEN A PRACTICING ARCHITECT AT THAT LOCATION FOR 53 YEARS. 
          I'M HERE TO ASK THAT THE, THE BOARD APPROVED THE CHANGE OF ZONING, CORRECTIVE ZONING BECAUSE THEIR ORIGINAL, THESE LOTS WERE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. 
          BUT IN 1971, A EXISTING STRUCTURE WAS BUILT ON SET PROPERTY. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS ASSISTING THE V F W HALL IN ALLOWING THEM TO PROVIDE SERVICES AT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING ONCE THE REZONING HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          SO WHAT WE WANNA ASK IS APPROVE IT SO THAT THE V F W CAN PROVIDE FURTHER SERVICES AND FUNDRAISING WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT THEY THEY'RE ACQUIRING. 
          SO WE WILL REALLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF SET. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOUDO GONZALEZ, FOLLOWED BY MELVIN ARNE OR KNIGHT. 
          MORNING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S ARMANDO GONZALEZ. 
          I'M A SENIOR VICE DISTRICT 20 COMMANDER FOR THE V F W POST 91 74. 
          I'M A FORMER COMMANDER. 
          WE GOT OUR NEW COMMANDER HERE, JUAN MARTINEZ, WITH US. 
          AND THE PURPOSE FOR A REZONING CHANGE REQUEST IS BECAUSE WE, THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS U F W POST 91 74, ARE PREPARING TO PROCURE THIS PROPERTY AT 67 18 WESTFIELD BOULEVARD. 
          FROM MS. GLORIA LUCERO GARCIA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAKING THIS PROPERTY OUR NEW V F W POST 91 74 HEADQUARTERS. 
          OUR CURRENT BUILDING WE OCCUPY IS CODED C TWO COMMERCIAL AND THE BUILDING WE WANT TO PROCURE IS CODED R SIX RESIDENTIAL. 
          THIS IS THE NEED FOR A REZONING REQUEST. 
          OUR V F W POST 91 74 RECRUITS MILITARY SOLDIERS RETURNING FROM FOREIGN WARS SUCH AS IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, SYRIA, KOSOVO, ANY FOREIGN WAR CURRENTLY IN DEPLOYMENT, OUR CURRENT BUILDING AT 24 10 PIN ROAD, WHICH IS JUST ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY, IS OVER 66 YEARS OLD. 
          THE FOUNDATION IS ALREADY CRACKED AND IS LITERALLY FALLING APART. 
          IT REQUIRES A LOT OF MAINTENANCE, ELECTRICAL, AND PLUMBING REPAIRS. 
          OUR POST HELPS OUT THE COMMUNITY AND SCHOOLS BY EDUCATING THE PUBLIC OF AMERICAN HERITAGE AND THE MEANING OF FREEDOM AND THE PRICE. 
          SOME PAID TO HAVE THIS FREEDOM WE ARE ENJOYING NOW. 
          IF WE SUCCEED IN PROCURING THIS PROPERTY, IT WILL BE A MAJOR ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO OUR FIGHTING SOLDIERS TO COME AND HAVE A PLACE TO RELAX AND REMINISCE WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY. 
          WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE BY SUPPORTING OUR EFFORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JULIAN MARIA, FOLLOWED BY JUAN MARTINEZ JR. 
          MS. FLORES, I THINK YOU SKIPPED SOMEONE. 
          MY NAME IS JULIAN RESPA, SENIOR, UH, 1 1 3 CACHE PATH. 
          I AM THE QUARTERMASTER FOR POST 91 74. 
          I DID NOT KNOW I HAD TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT, UH, THE VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS AT THE PRESENT MOMENT WERE ASSISTING UN FAMILIES THAT CANNOT PROVIDE FOR OUR THEIR THANKSGIVING. 
          WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE AT THE, AT OUR POST HANDING, UH, BASKETS TO UNDERPRIVILEGED FAMILIES AT THIS VERY MOMENT. 
          UH, THAT IS ONE WAY WE ASSIST, AND BY HAVING THIS NEW BUILDING WOULD PROVIDE US WITH A BETTER AREA AND BE ABLE TO ASSIST MORE. 
          AND THAT IS OUR MAIN GOAL, IS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I SO MUCH, UH, WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS, UH, REZONING FOR US AND SO WE CAN HELP VETERANS AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
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I BELIEVE THE NAME IS MARVIN ARNEY OR ARNOLD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS MARVIN ARNOLD. 
          I RESIDE AT 8 3 0 C L O A. 
          I AM THE DISTRICT CHAPLAIN FOR VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS POST 9 1 74. 
          I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE CABLE WESTWOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          I'M ALSO A BOARD MEMBER. 
          BACK IN AUGUST OF, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, PAST COMMANDER GONZALEZ PRESENTED THE, UH, PLANS FOR THE NEW BUILDING, ALSO THE ZONING REQUEST, THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ALSO, THE BOARD IS ALSO IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUEST TO HAPPEN FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE NEW BUILDING AND ALSO THE ZONING. 
          UH, WE ARE ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND FOR YEARS ALSO HELPING 'EM OUT WITH PROJECTS. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THIS CHANGE TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, WE THANK YOU AND HAVE A BLESSED DAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUAN MARTINEZ ON ITEM NUMBER 10 AS WELL. 
          GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          MY NAME IS JUAN MARTINEZ, JR. 
          AND I RESIDE AT 2003 MIGHT CREEK DRIVE. 
          I AM THE COMMANDER OF V F W POST 9 1 74. 
          RIGHT NOW, CURRENT TOWN FOR MEMBERS OF FORMED WARS IS 688 MEMBERS. 
          SO BE AN IMPROVEMENT COMPARED TO THE SMALL BUILDING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THIS CORPORATION SHOULD BE FRATERNAL, PATRIOTIC, HISTORICAL, CHARITABLE EDUCATIONAL TO PRESERVE AND STRENGTHEN MEMBERSHIP AMONG THESE MEMBERS, TO ASSIST WITH MEMBERS TO PERPETUATE MEMORY AND THE HISTORY OF OUR DEBT. 
          AND TO ASSIST THE WIDOWS AND ORPHANS TO MAINTAIN TRUE ALLEGIANCE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND FIDELITY TO ITS CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS, TO FOSTER TRUE PATRIOTISM, TO MAINTAIN AND EXTEND THE INSTITUTIONS OF AMERICAN FREEDOM, AND TO PRESERVE AND DEFEND UNITED STATES FROM ALL HER ENEMIES. 
          AND WE'RE REQUESTING YOU APPROVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT IS ALL I HAVE ON ITEM NUMBER 10, ON ITEM NUMBER 19. 
          LISA HERNANDEZ. 
          I THINK SHE GOT HER QUESTIONS ANSWERED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. ITEM 6, 7, 8, 10 11, 12 13, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, AND 26. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL WITH THE SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
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UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, UH, THE SECOND COMBINED HEARING, PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THESE ITEMS ARE FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECUSAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, FOR, MAKE A NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS, UM, UH, EXITING THE ROOM FOR RECUSAL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 24 IS TO RESUME FROM C THREE A H O D TO MF 33 A H O D LOCATED NORTHWEST OF WCO ROAD AND EAST LOOP. 
          1604 NORTH. 
          THERE WERE SIX NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 25 TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO MF 33 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED IN THE 9,100 BLOCK OF EXCELLENCE DRIVE, THERE WERE 37 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM PACE OR PEOPLE ACTIVE IN COMMUNITY EFFORT. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. 
          UM, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS 24 AND 25 SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION 
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PASSES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND I GUESS WE'LL BRING, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, UH, BACK INTO THE HEARING PLEASE. 
          AND 
          [1. 19-8498 Discussion and Action on proposed Ordinance adopting changes to
Chapter 35, the Unified Development Code (UDC), Section 35-310-01 Table 310-1 Lot and Building Dimensions Table, relating to Lot and Building Dimensions in "RM" and "MF" districts. Staff recommends Approval. (Catherine Hernandez, Development Services Administrator, Development Services Department)]
WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, PLEASE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CATHERINE HERNANDEZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADMINISTRATOR 1901 SOUTH AVO. 
          THAT WAS FOR MARCO. 
          UH, SO ITEM NUMBER ONE IS, UH, RELATED TO THE CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BROUGHT FORWARD AS A RESULT OF A C C R, UM, IN, IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          I'M GONNA GO INTO THE PROCESS, UM, AS TO, UH, HOW WE GOT HERE. 
          SO, THE C C R THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY COUNCILMAN TRAVINO FOR DISTRICT ONE, UM, UM, WAS SUBMITTED BACK IN 2017. 
          IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE GROWING NEED FOR COMPROMISING THE INTEGRITY OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          MANY OF THESE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, ARE ZONED, UH, EITHER MF 33 OR RMM FOUR. 
          AND, UM, MUCH OF THE CURRENT PATTERNS OF DEVELOPMENT ARE, ARE DIFFERENT, UH, THAN WHAT WAS DEVELOPED THERE BEFORE AND COSTING, UH, CAUSING SOME STRESS UPON THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, SO SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT RMM RMM FOUR, OR MF 33, IT ALLOWS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF UP TO 35 FEET OR 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          MF 33 SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS BY RIGHT 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          MANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, WITH LOTS THAT WERE ZONED R FOUR OR MF 33, WERE EITHER THE RESULT OF A REZONING THAT WAS APPROVED DECADES AGO BECAUSE THEY HAD MI MAYBE MULTI, UH, USES ON THE, ON EACH LOT. 
          AND SO THEY WERE ZONED AS SUCH, OR WERE THE RESULT OF A 2001 U D C CONVERSION. 
          UM, AND FOR EXAMPLE, MF 33, THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE ZONED BACK WITH OUR 1938 CODE AS D APARTMENT DISTRICT. 
          AND SO WHEN WE ADOPTED OUR NEW CODES IN 2001, UH, THE ADOPTION, UH, RESULTED IN A CONVERSION FROM ONE DISTRICT TO ANOTHER, PRESERVING THE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT THAT OWNER HAD AS A RESULT OF THE OLD DISTRICT D AND ALLOWING THEM TO KEEP THOSE RIGHTS WITH THE NEW DESIGNATION OF MF 33. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, AND YOU'LL SEE IN, UM, IN PAST YEARS WITH THE LARGE AREA REZONINGS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD TO YOU, WE'VE REZONED MANY OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS FROM MF 33 TO HOW THEY ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY. 
          UM, SO WE'VE DONE THAT THROUGH DOWN ZONINGS OF LARGE, UH, AREAS, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OUT THERE. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS WHY, WHERE IT'S RESULTING IN THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT TRENDS THAT ARE GOING ON OF MF 33 LOTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS MULTIFAMILY AND BUILDING, UH, BY RIGHT UP TO 45 FEET ADJACENT TO SINGLE STORY BUNGALOWS OR TWO AND A HALF STORY HOMES. 
          AND SO THAT IS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT IS INCOMPATIBLE RELATED TO THE HEIGHT AS WELL AS, UH, LOT COVERAGE AS WELL BECAUSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TYPICALLY DON'T, UH, COVER THE ENTIRE LOT. 
          SO RESIDENTIAL MIXED DISTRICTS, UM, WERE, UH, DEVELOPED IN THE 2001 U D C, UH, TO ALLOW FOR UP TO A MIX OF USES, WHETHER IT'S ONE TO FOUR, UH, DWELLINGS, DEPENDING UPON THE RMM DESIGNATION. 
          UH, RM SIX WOULD ALLOW UP TO UP TO TWO UNITS BY RIGHT AS LONG AS THEY MET A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THE SIX STANDS FOR. 
          RM FIVE WOULD ALLOW UP TO THREE BY RIGHT AS LONG AS THEY MET UP, UP TO A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT. 
          AND RM FOUR ALLOWS UP TO FOUR. 
          IT'S MIXED BECAUSE IT WAS, IT'S FLEXIBLE IN ITS DESIGN. 
          UH, THE MIXTURE YOU COULD HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON AN RMM FOUR LOT COULD BE EITHER FOR INDIVIDUAL UNITS, A FOURPLEX, A TRIPLEX IN A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, FAMILY, UH, DWELLING OR TWO DUPLEXES. 
          SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF WHAT RESIDENTIAL MIX WAS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THOSE FLEXIBLE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS BASED ON WHAT THE MARKET WOULD CALL FOR. 
          FOR MF. 
          UH, THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE, UH, TO NOTE IS, UH, RELATED TO MF 33, UH, AGAIN, THE NUMBERS RELATE TO HOW MANY UNITS PER ACRE ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? AND THE HEIGHT FOR MF 33 IS 45 FEET. 
          THE REASON WHY THAT ONE IS HIGHLIGHTED IS BECAUSE THAT MF 33 IS THE ONLY ONE, ONLY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT THAT, UM, IS A RESULT OF A CODE CONVERSION. 
          MF 18, MF 25, MF 40, 50, AND 65 ARE NOT CODE CONVERSIONS. 
          THOSE ARE ONLY ON PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY WENT THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS. 
          SO IN ORDER TO LOOK AT THESE, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS BASED ON THE C C R, UM, WE FORMED A TASK FORCE, AS WE TYPICALLY DO TO, TO LOOK AT THESE CODE AMENDMENTS AND, AND COME TO A CONSENSUS TO PUT FORWARD THROUGH THE CODE AMENDMENT CYCLE. 
          UH, WE HAD 16 MEMBERS. 
          THEY WERE, UH, A MIXTURE OF BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAD RMM OR MF ZONING PREVALENT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND SO, UM, MANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS THAT HAD THAT, THAT WERE PART OF THAT TASK FORCE, UH, WERE, WERE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAD MEMBERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT 
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COMMUNITY, UH, WHERE THEY, UH, WERE DEVELOPERS DEVELOPING ON RMM FOUR OR MF 33 TYPE LOTS WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THE TASK FORCE MET A TOTAL OF SEVEN TIMES. 
          THEY MET ONCE A MONTH TASK FORCE MEMBERS ALSO ON THEIR OWN TIME AS VOLUNTEERS MET. 
          IN BETWEEN THOSE MEETINGS, UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT TO DISCUSS, UH, RELATED TO DESIGN STANDARDS LOT COVERAGE, THEY FORMED SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          ONE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS TO ADDRESS LOT COVERAGE AND DRAINAGE. 
          ONE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, WAS, UH, WAS THERE TO ADDRESS, UH, DESIGN STANDARDS RELATED TO THE RMM AND THE MF DISTRICTS. 
          AND SO EACH OF THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS RESULTED IN THEM REPORTING BACK TO THE REGULAR TASK FORCE MEETINGS. 
          SO THE DECISIONS WOULD ONLY OCCUR AT THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS. 
          AGAIN, THESE WERE VOLUNTEERS AND SO, UH, THEY MET ON THEIR OWN IN BETWEEN AND AGAIN, BUT NO DECISIONS WERE MADE AT THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, WE MET, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF SEVEN MONTHS. 
          ALL OF THOSE TASK FORCE MEETINGS WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND WE GOT A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT AT EACH OF THE, OF THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS. 
          AND OUT OF THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS, UM, THEY, UH, PUT FORWARD PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS HEIGHT, FRONT SETBACK, AND STREET ORIENTATION. 
          THROUGHOUT THOSE SEVEN MONTHS, UH, THERE WAS A LOT TO FOCUS ON. 
          AND, UH, WE SORT OF GOT STAGNATED, UH, RIGHT AROUND MONTH FOUR TO FIVE. 
          UM, AS A RESULT OF AN EMAIL THAT CAME OUT FROM THE COUNCIL DISTRICT OFFICE TO THE TASK FORCE, THEY ASKED THE TASK FORCE TO FOCUS ON AT LEAST THREE THINGS SO WE CAN MOVE THOSE FORWARD TO THROUGH THE CODE AMENDMENT PROCESS. 
          BECAUSE WITHOUT ANY CODE AMENDMENTS, YOU'LL HAVE PERMITS COMING IN AND APPLYING TO BUILD AND BUILDING AT WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED BY. 
          RIGHT? UH, SO THE COUNCIL OFFICE ASKED THE TASK FORCE TO FOCUS ON, UH, MASSING STREET ORIENTATION AND HEIGHTS. 
          AND SO OUT OF THAT CAME THESE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THERE WAS TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS HELD. 
          ONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, NEAR THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS IN JUNE TO GATHER INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WAY THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS COULD DISCUSS MOVING FORWARD WHAT KIND OF, UH, AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS THAT INPUT. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE FINAL ONE IN OCTOBER, UH, IN ORDER TO SORT OF UNVEIL WHAT THE TASK FORCE HAS RECOMMENDED AND CONTINUE TO GET INPUT. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL INPUT THAT'S ALLOWED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS BECAUSE AGAIN, THESE ARE PUBLIC, UH, HEARINGS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          AND SO WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THAT INPUT. 
          SO THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PUT FORWARD BY THE TASK FORCE, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO HEIGHT. 
          AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, MF 33 ALLOWS HEIGHT, UM, TO 45 FEET. 
          THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS, UH, TO BUILD LESS THAN 45 FEET WHEN NEXT TO HOMES, ESPECIALLY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          SO THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION PUT FORTH BY THE TASK FORCE RESTRICTS THE HEIGHT TO THAT MF 33 ZONED PROPERTY. 
          UM, IF IT'S BEING DEVELOPED AS MULTI-FAMILY WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          AND THAT RESTRICTION IS 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF STORIES, THE SAME HEIGHT RESTRICTION THAT A, A TYPICAL CONVENTIONAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT HAS RELATED TO FRONT SETBACK. 
          UM, MF 33, UH, CURRENTLY HAS NO MINIMUM FRONT SETBACK. 
          IT HAS A MAXIMUM FRONT SETBACK OF 20 FEET. 
          SO WHAT THAT RESULTS IN IS SOME INCONSISTENCY IN, IN THE BLOCK PHASE. 
          YOU'LL HAVE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE BUILT RIGHT UP TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE, THEY'LL BE ADJACENT TO EITHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR OTHER MF 33 ZONE LOTS DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WHERE THEY ARE ABIDING BY A 10 FOOT SETBACK. 
          SO THE PROPOSED, UH, AMENDMENT PUT FORTH BY THE TASK FORCE IS FOR THOSE MF 33 LOTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND TYPICALLY THEY ARE A, A THIRD OF AN ACRE OR LESS IN SIZE, UH, WOULD, UH, BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME MINIMUM SETBACK OF A, A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS 10 FEET. 
          SO THAT WAY YOU CR CREATE THAT CONSISTENT BLOCK FACE. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, RELATED TO STREET ORIENTATION. 
          RIGHT NOW FOR THE RMM OR MF DISTRICTS, UH, THAT ARE DEVELOPED WITH FOUR UNITS, THREE UNITS, TWO UNITS, THERE IS NO, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT THE FRONT ENTRY FACE THE STREET. 
          UH, SO WHAT IT CREATES IS SORT OF THESE ISOLATED NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, UM, WHERE YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE STREET IS A PEDESTRIAN IN EACH OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          THEIR FRONT DOOR FACES THE STREET, THEN YOU GET TO THIS DEVELOPMENT AND YOU'RE FACED WITH A SIDEWALL, UH, BECAUSE THEIR FRONT DOORS ARE TYPICALLY FACING THE DRIVEWAY IN WHICH, UH, THE CARS PULL IN IN ORDER TO GET TO EACH OF THE UNITS. 
          SO THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION BY THE TASK FORCE WAS, UH, FOR THOSE THAT ARE CONSTRUCTING TWO TO FOUR UNITS ON LOTS, UH, THIRD OF AN ACRE OR LESS WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT A REQUIREMENT FOR FRONT, UH, ENTRY AND WALKWAY, UH, IS REQUIRED. 
          SO THAT WAY YOU, AGAIN, HAVE THAT CONSISTENT BLOCK PHASE. 
          THERE WERE OTHER TOPICS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, THAT WERE DISCUSSED. 
          UH, MANY OF THESE TOPICS, UH, HAVE MORE OF A GLOBAL IMPACT AND AREN'T JUST RELATED TO RMM DISTRICTS OR MF DISTRICTS. 
          UH, ONE, UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS DISCUSSED, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS HEIGHT MEASUREMENTS. 
          UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION 
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ABOUT CHANGING HOW HEIGHT IS MEASURED. 
          AND SO SINCE THAT COULD RESULT IN, UH, SOME NON-CONFORMITY BASED ON HOW WE'VE BEEN MEASURING HEIGHT FOR DECADES, UH, THAT THESE ARE TOPICS THAT WERE TABLED. 
          UM, AND WE DEVELOPED A REPORT FOR, FOR THE TASK FORCE THAT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          AND ANY ONE OF THOSE TASK FORCE MEMBERS OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS COULD SUBMIT ANY ONE OF THESE ITEMS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT IN DETAIL, BUT COULDN'T GET TO A CONSENSUS ON ONE OF THOSE, AGAIN, IS A ATTACHED VERSUS DETACHED DWELLINGS THAT WAS, UH, DISCUSSED AT SEVERAL MEETINGS WHETHER TO, UH, REQUIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON AN ARM FOUR LOT, WHERE YOU HAVE FOUR, UH, FOUR, FOUR UNITS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO REQUIRE THEM TO BE ALL ATTACHED. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME DISTRICTS THAT, UH, HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, UM, AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT CREATE MONOLITHIC BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE A CHARACTER TO, TO, UH, THAT IS PREVALENT IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TOPICS THAT WAS, UM, PUT ONTO THE REPORT. 
          AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE IMPACT, UH, THAT SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY COULD SUBMIT THAT DURING THE 2020 U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS. 
          UM, AS WE WENT FORWARD THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, WE MET WITH TAC AND TAC HAD, UM, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR CLARIFICATION AS WELL AS FOR ADDITIONAL PROTECTION, UH, RELATED TO THE HEIGHT. 
          UH, SO, UH, ONE OF, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WHAT THE TASK FORCE PUT PUT FORWARD WAS TO RESTRICT THE HEIGHT TO 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF STORIES IF YOU'RE WITHIN 50 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY USE. 
          UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT THERE ARE MANY LOTS OUT THERE THAT ARE AT LEAST 150 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          UH, SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO DEVELOP ON THAT LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU JUST HAVE TO COME BACK 50 FEET, COME BACK 50 FEET, THEN YOU HAVE THAT MIDDLE 50 FEET IN WHICH YOU COULD GO ALL THE WAY UP TO 45 FEET IF YOU HAVE AN MF 33 LOTS. 
          SO INSTEAD, UH, TO, UH, PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL PROTECTION TECH RECOMMENDED THAT IF THERE WERE MF 18, MF 25, MF 33 ZONED, THEY WERE LOTS LESS THAN A THIR A THIRD OF AN ACRE, THAT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT ACROSS THE LOT WOULD BE 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF STORIES. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, UH, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ZONED PROPERTIES, UM, OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          THEY HAVE EITHER CHURCHES, SCHOOLS, OR OTHER TYPES OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT HEIGHT LIMITATION WOULD NOT APPLY, UM, TO THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL USE, UH, TO THAT PROPERTY IF IT WAS ADJACENT TO A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE ZONED, FOR EXAMPLE, R SIX. 
          AND, UM, ON OCTOBER 21ST, WE WENT TO A P TAC AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS. 
          THEN THOSE AMENDMENTS AS WELL AS THE ENTIRE, UH, UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE PRESENTED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING COMMISSION, ALSO RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THE P TTAC AMENDMENTS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S MOVING FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          ON NOVEMBER 12TH, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SUBCOMMITTEE MET AND THEY RECOMMENDED IT THAT, THAT THE AMENDMENTS PUT FORWARD BY PTAC AND PLANNING COMMISSION MOVE FORWARD FOR COUNCIL ADOPTION. 
          AND SO NOW TODAY WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION IN ORDER TO GET TO COUNCIL ON, UM, DECEMBER 5TH. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK, UM, SO IF YOU WANNA DO THOSE FIRST AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          LET'S HAVE THEM COME FORWARD, PLEASE. 
          MARY JOHNSON, FOLLOWED BY RICK SHELL. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, MY NAME IS MARY JOHNSON. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          I AM ALSO A MEMBER OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. 
          AND I WAS ALS ALSO A MEMBER OF THIS TASK FORCE. 
          AND LIKE KAT SAID, UM, WE REALLY COULDN'T COME TO A CONSENSUS. 
          I WON'T BORE Y'ALL WITH ALL THE GORY DETAILS. 
          UM, WE WERE ALL SUFFERING FROM TASK FORCE FATIGUE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES, BUT NOT HAPPY WITH THING. 
          OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO GET IN THERE, AND I'M SURE ALL OF YOU RECEIVED A LETTER THAT HIGHLIGHTED THE CHANGES WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE ALSO BEEN INCLUDED AS THE END RESULT OF THE C C R. 
          THE CURRENT MATH IN TABLE THREE 10 SUPPORTS THE ONE STRUCTURE WITH DWELLING UNITS ENCLOSED WITHIN THAT STRUCTURE. 
          AS DOES NOTE SEE ON PAGE SIX FOLLOWING SETBACK ILLUSTRATIONS FOR TABLE THREE 10 DASH ONE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE SEPARATE UNITS EVER GOT STARTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          UH, NON-CONFORMING USES SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE HERE. 
          OUR CITY IS FULL OF NON-CONFORMING USES, AS YOU SAW IN THE PREVIOUS ZONING CASES, AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SUPPORTED SEVERAL OF THE NON-CONFORMING PROPERTIES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BECOME CONFORMING THROUGH REZONING. 
          THE REQUIREMENT FOR ONE STRUCTURE WITH THE DWELLINGS WITHIN THE STRUCTURE WOULD TRIGGER A LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY THAT THIS C C R WAS ALSO INTENDED 
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TO ADDRESS. 
          CONCERNING INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT, A DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROPOSE A SITE PLAN TO GET THOSE SEPARATE, UH, STRUCTURES, WHICH, LIKE KAT SAID, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT AGAINST IT, BUT AT LEAST HAVING THEM REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN ONE STRUCTURE WOULD TRIGGER THE DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER TO HAVE TO COME TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SEPARATE UNITS. 
          UM, HERE'S OUR SITE PLAN, LET'S GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU SUPPORT THE INCLUSIONS THAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, RICK SHELL, FOLLOWED BY ANISA SHELL. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS RICK SHELL. 
          I AM THE, UH, ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          I'M AT FOUR 30 EAST MISSILE TOE AVENUE. 
          UH, I HAVE THE STATEMENT FROM THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION TODAY, AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. 
          THERE'S SOME DRY STUFF HERE, BUT IT'S NECESSARY. 
          UH, MARY LENDED A VERY GOOD, UH, OVERVIEW. 
          THIS IS THE PARTICULARS OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY. 
          UM, TH THIS WEEK THE ZONING COMMISSION IS CONSIDERING ITEM ONE SPECIFIC CHANGES TO CHAPTER 35 OF THE U D C. 
          THESE CHANGES HAVE, WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE OURS ACROSS THE CITY. 
          UM, THE C C R ISSUED IN 2017 WAS CREATED WITH THE INTENT TO ADDRESS NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY ISSUES WHILE APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK THE TASK FORCE COMPLETED. 
          WE FEEL THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS NOT AS COMPLETE AS THEY COULD BE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT YOU APPROVE THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TODAY, BUT YOU ALSO ADD THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENTS TO IT. 
          WE'D LIKE TO SEE HEIGHT LIMITS FOR R M FOUR, R M FIVE, R M SIX, MF 18, MF 25, AND MF 33 TO AMENDED TO A HEIGHT OF 35 FEET OR 2.5 STORIES. 
          THIS ADDRESSES A MAJOR COMMUNITY CONCERN OVER COMPATIBILITY OF THESE MIXED AND MULTI-FAMILY ZONINGS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          TABLE THREE 10 DASH ONE, WE'D LIKE THE PLACEMENT OF NOTE 11, WHICH ADDRESSES HEIGHT TO BE MOVED FROM THE HEADER OF THE TABLE TO THE FIRST COLUMN UNDER THE M F 18 25 33 CODING. 
          THIS WILL ALIGN THE PLACEMENT OF THE NOTE TO MATCH THE REST OF THE TABLE LENDING CLARITY TO EVERYONE WHO USES THE TABLE IN THE FUTURE, WE'D LIKE 35 DASH THREE 10.01 C TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE FROM MUST OCCUR WITHIN AN IN COMPLETELY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE TO READ MUST OCCUR WITHIN A SINGLE COMPLETELY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE. 
          FINALLY, WE'D LIKE 35 DASH 3 10 0 6 A ONE B TO BE INSERTED AT THE END SHALL BE CONTAINED IN A SINGLE STRUCTURE. 
          SO IT WOULD READ THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DWELLINGS AS LIMITED TO TWO UNITS FOR RMM. 
          SIX THREE UNITS FOR RMM FIVE AND FOUR UNITS FOR RMM. 
          FOUR SHALL BE CONTAINED IN A SINGLE STRUCTURE. 
          THIS WILL, AGAIN, FURTHER ADDRESS CONCERNS OVER MULTIPLE UNITS BEING ATTACHED VERSUS DETACHED AND THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS THAT EXIST. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE AMENDMENTS WILL HELP TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OVER COMPATIBILITY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO US TODAY. 
          AND IF YOU NEED REFERENCE, OF COURSE, MY LETTER IS ON FILE, SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY CYNTHIA SPIELMAN AND THEN ANISA. 
          SHELL L TO TO WHO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANISA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M ANISA SHELL. 
          I'M A BOARD MEMBER FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND A STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBER FOR THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. 
          UM, I ALSO, UH, OBSERVED MANY OF THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS AND PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, I WANNA ECHO WHAT MARY JOHNSON AND RICK SHELL SAID. 
          UH, WE DO SUPPORT THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS BEING PUT FORTH BY D S D TODAY. 
          AND, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE AMENDMENTS THAT RICK READ OUT ADDED, UM, TO GO ALONG WITH THIS FURTHER STRENGTHEN IT AND LEND IT CLARITY. 
          UM, I'M SURE YOU HEARD THAT THIS IS A RESULT OF THE C C R THAT COUNCILMAN TREVINO DID IN 2017, THAT C C R WAS CREATED IN RESPONSE TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS. 
          AND THE CONCERNS WERE OVER COMPATIBILITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD NOTIFICATION. 
          LIKE MARY SAID, IF THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SINGLE DWELLING WAS ADDED IN, THAT WOULD, UM, NOT NECESSARILY PREVENT THE FLEXIBILITY THAT RM CARRIES TODAY, BUT IT WOULD TRIGGER, UH, A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND ALLOW NEIGHBORHOODS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY. 
          SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO BUILD MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES ON A LOT, THEY WOULD BE ABLE 
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TO DO THAT STILL THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT SITE PLAN WOULD BE ABLE TO BE REVIEWED FOR COMPATIBILITY. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THESE CHANGES BE ADDED, UM, AND OTHERWISE WE DO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JAMES GRIFFIN, FOLLOWED BY ROB KILLEN. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          JAMES GRIFFIN, UH, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN, UM, HERE, SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF, UH, WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED BY STAFF. 
          UH, I WAS ONE OF THE TASK MEMBERS, UM, AND KAT DID A GREAT JOB IN HER PRESENTATION, VERY DETAILED. 
          SO I, I WON'T GO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL OTHER THAN TO SAY, YEAH, THERE WERE MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY MEETINGS. 
          UM, LOTS OF GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK IT WAS A PRETTY, UH, EQUAL GROUP AS FAR AS, UH, REPRESENTATION FROM, UH, FROM, FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, UH, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION, UH, ALL THROUGHOUT. 
          AND I, I TRULY BELIEVE WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO Y'ALL TODAY FROM STAFF, UH, COMING FROM THE TASK FORCE, ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF THE, THE C C R, UH, WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE C C R, UH, AND THEN ACCOMPLISHED, UM, UH, THE GOALS THAT EVERYBODY WAS, WAS SEEKING, UH, CERTAINLY ON A, A COLLECTIVE BASIS. 
          UM, I, I WILL SAY, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT'S BEEN SAID ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS, AND I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A, A TIME IN PLACE, UH, FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, 2020 U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS STARTING HERE IN, IN JUST A MONTH OR TWO. 
          UH, A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSION IN THE VARIOUS TASK FORCE AND SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS WAS, UH, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, UM, AND KIND OF FAR REACHING EFFECTS WHEN, WHEN, AGAIN, THAT WASN'T, UH, WHAT WAS BEING INTENDED. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S, UM, AGAIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING SOMETHING APPLIED TO ALL MF 33 WHEN WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON, UH, THE OUTLIER HERE, THE MF 33 IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK, IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NOT AN MF 33, UH, ON THE OTHER END OF TOWN, OUT IN THE SUBURBS OR WHEREVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          YOU KNOW, EACH ONE HAS TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. 
          UH, ALL THE MFS, ALL THE RMS, UM, ARE SEEN ALL OVER TOWN, EVERY PART OF TOWN SIZE, SHAPE, UH, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          SO AGAIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THERE ABOUT WHEN AN IDEA CAME UP, LET'S MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAVE THESE FAR REACHING, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. 
          AND I'D BE A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT, UM, UH, SUPPORTING THOSE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS, UH, TODAY WITHOUT FURTHER DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I THINK THEY COULD HAVE THOSE, UH, EFFECTS WELL BEYOND REALLY WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED FOR. 
          SO, UH, ALL THAT BEING SAID, AS A, A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE, UH, I THINK WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, UH, TO Y'ALL TODAY IN KAT'S PRESENTATION, UH, REALLY, UH, HIT EVERYTHING, UH, THAT WE WERE ASKED AND, AND THAT WE LOOKED AT AND DISCUSSED, AND WAS THE CONSENSUS, UH, FROM THE GROUP MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT DO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ROB KILLEN, FOLLOWED BY JASON ARCIGA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR ZONING COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY NAME'S ROB KILLEN, 100 WEST HOUSTON STREET. 
          I NOW SERVE ON THE TASK FORCE. 
          MY, UH, PARTNER ASHLEY FAIRMONT, SERVED ON THAT. 
          SPENT, UH, COUNTLESS HOURS, UH, WORKING ON THIS ISSUE. 
          I WANNA ECHO WHAT JAMES, UH, SAID AS WELL SPOKEN THAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE GETTING WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TODAY IS AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION TO A VERY IMMEDIATE PROBLEM, WHICH IS THAT INCOMPATIBILITY ISSUE ON HEIGHT AND, UH, FACING STREET. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT, UH, WITH THE 2020 U D C AMENDMENTS COMING UP, IT'S PROBABLY PREMATURE TO START YANKING AT LITTLE THREADS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE, BUT I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, COMING IN NEXT YEAR, A FULL AND ROBUST DISCUSSION OF ALL OF THESE ISSUES. 
          SO I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JASON NAGA, FOLLOWED BY JOHN COOLEY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS JASON ARGA. 
          I'M THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE N R P GROUP, AND I LIVE AT 1903 PREAKNESS LANE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, DISTRICT NINE. 
          UM, I, UH, WAS, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE, THE R M M F TASK FORCE. 
          AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT I SUPPORTED, AS MS. HERNANDEZ HAS PRESENTED WITH ATTACK RECOMMENDATIONS WITHOUT AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, THE REASON BEING IS WHY THOSE AMENDMENTS I DO BELIEVE ARE WELL-INTENTIONED. 
          UM, THEY'RE TARGETED SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS THE INNER CITY. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE, IT'S GONNA HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AS, UH, JAMES AND ROB SAID, FOR INSTANCE, UM, HEIGHT BEING, UM, HEIGHT BEING LIMITED ON MF 33 ALL ACROSS. 
          AS YOU KNOW, MF 33 IS INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE 33 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          EVEN A THREE STORY DEVELOPMENT, I CAN SPEAK, UH, WITH SOME, SOME EXPERTISE AT A THREE STORY DEVELOPMENT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET 33 UNITS PER ACRE, UNLESS 
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IT'S JUST A PERFECTLY ZONED SITE. 
          IF YOU LIMIT TIGHT TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES, THAT'LL EVEN FURTHER LIMIT IT. 
          NOW, WHILE THAT'S ON THE INNER CITY, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE OUT ON 1604, FOR INSTANCE, TRYING TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR IF, UM, OUT IN THE SUBURBS, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT AND YOU HAVE THE UNINTENDED CONS, CONSEQUENCES, APPLYING TO THOSE. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, ONE OF THE OTHER ONES WAS THE SINGLE STRUCTURE THAT CAN CREATE, UH, A LOT OF PROBLEMS OUT TOO. 
          A SINGLE STRUCTURE ON A SINGLE LOT ZONED MF 33 ON THE INSIDE MAKES SENSE. 
          BUT A SINGLE STRUCTURE, UH, ON AN MF 33 WITH 15 ACRES, AS SOME OF THE ONES THAT HAVE JUST BEEN PASSED RECENTLY IN THE ZONING COMMISSION, WOULD NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          SO, UM, IT JUST, I THINK THAT THERE'S, I THINK, AGAIN, THEY'RE WELL-INTENTIONED AND I THINK THEY COULD BE EITHER SOLVED THROUGH I D Z OR SOLVED THROUGH THE U D C AMENDMENT TO THE PROCESS AS WELL. 
          BUT TO APPLY THE AMENDMENTS NOW WOULD MAY PERHAPS WORK IN SOME OF THE INNER CITIES ONE, THREE DISTRICTS, ONE, THREE, UM, FIVE MAYBE, BUT NOT, IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD CHANGE DRASTICALLY THE WAY ANYTHING WORKED IN 9 10, 8, 6, UH, THE OTHER DISTRICTS AROUND, UH, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT IN THE EXTERIOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN COOLEY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JOHN COOLEY, 9 0 5 NORTH PINE. 
          I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF TERRAMARK URBAN HOMES, AND HERE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THE, UH, ZONING CHANGE TODAY, UH, WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE, AND, UH, A LOT OF WORK WAS PUT INTO GOING THROUGH EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THESE CALL 'EM PROBLEMATIC, UH, CASES THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, AND, AND EVEN CASES THAT HAVEN'T COME THROUGH ZONING, BECAUSE THE LAND WAS ZONED APPROPRIATELY TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT AS DESIGNED. 
          UM, BUT THE RESULT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, I THINK MANY PEOPLE WOULD AGREE WAS NOT EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WANTED. 
          AND SO WE TRIED TO LOOK AT WHERE WERE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT HAD WORKED WELL, WHERE WERE SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT EVERYONE KIND OF SCRATCHED THEIR HEAD AND SAID, AND THIS JUST DIDN'T LOOK GOOD, THIS DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THIS DIDN'T WORK. 
          AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT IT WAS PRETTY DIFFICULT TO PUT IN THE CODE. 
          WHAT WERE THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T LIKE AND WHAT WERE THE THINGS THAT WE DID. 
          AND SO WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF FIND CONSENSUS ON WERE THESE ITEMS AS FAR AS IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, A NUMBER ONE ITEMS THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING ON TODAY AND GET PROTECTION, UH, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S SEEKING FOR HEIGHTS, SETBACKS, UM, COMPATIBILITY, LOOKING FORWARD. 
          I, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE, THE ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, LOT COVERAGE LID, THINGS LIKE THAT I THINK ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DIVE INTO REALLY FULLY IN THE, UH, CODE AMENDMENT COMING UP HERE IN 2020. 
          BUT WE FELT LIKE THE SCOPE OF THE TASK FORCE AS IT WAS LAID OUT, REALLY NEEDED TO BE FOCUSED ON WHAT CAN WE GET ACCOMPLISHED TODAY AND HOW CAN WE PROTECT THESE, THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY ARE TODAY. 
          SO IN SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, AMENDMENT AS IT'S, UH, OR THE, THE ZONING CASE AS IT'S PRESENTED TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          WELL, I GUESS WE'LL, UM, START WITH, UH, QUESTIONS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT, UM, COMM COMMIT, MERRILL, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          UM, IS, DO YOU CONSIDER R M FOUR SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY, IT'S SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY STARTS WITH FIVE UNITS OR MORE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPLORE THIS A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THE PROTOCOL FOR SORT OF MOVING BEYOND THE C C R BECAUSE WE, WE'VE HEARD THIS ABOUT, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ADDING SOME OF THE OTHER AMENDMENTS, UH, THAT, THAT THAT DOES MOVE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE C C R. 
          BUT I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THERE WAS A MOVEMENT BEHIND BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE C C R BECAUSE, UH, THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS APPLIED TO COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE, WHEREAS THE C C R REALLY WAS FOCUSING ON THE MF 33. 
          SO HOW, HOW DID THAT ALL HAPPEN? SO THE HEIGHT, SPECIFICALLY THE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE NOTE 11 ON THE HEADER OF THE COLUMN IN THE, IN THE TABLE, UH, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE FIRST MEETING BECAUSE THERE ARE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS OUT THERE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE ZONED I ONE AS THE, UH, AS THE RESULT OF THE OLD JJ ZONING. 
          UM, AND SO IF A VACANT PROPERTY WERE TO COME IN TODAY THAT IS INDUSTRIALLY ZONED AND WANTS TO BE USED FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES, THEY COULD BUILD TO, UM, A HEIGHT OF 60 FEET. 
          AND SO THE DISCUSSION WAS IS THAT YES, ALTHOUGH THE C C R, UM, WAS SPECIFIC TOWARDS MF 33, RM FOUR, THE PROTECTION NEEDED TO HAPPEN ON, UH, TO AFFECT ALL DISTRICTS BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT WHAT IT ZONED AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S 
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GONNA BE DEVELOPED AS MF, BUT UM, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED AS SOMETHING OTHER IF THAT USE WAS ALLOWED. 
          AND SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS PURPOSEFUL AT THE FIRST MEETING. 
          BUT EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IF IT RESULTED IN A LITTLE BIT OF SCOPE CREEP WAS DISCUSSED. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THERE WAS THAT DISCUSSION OF SCOPE CREEP IN THAT HEIGHT MEASUREMENTS WAS GOING TO IMPACT NOT JUST ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT EVERYTHING THAT WAS ALREADY DEVELOPED ON THE GROUND TODAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THOSE, THOSE ITEMS WERE TABLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THE 2020 U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO SUBMIT THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MY OTHER QUESTION, I, I STARTED ASKING ABOUT THIS WHEN WE GOT BRIEFED, AND I GUESS I STILL HAVE IT ABOUT THAT, THE, ABOUT THE HEIGHT LIMIT NOT APPLYING, AND I'M READING FROM NOTE 11. 
          AND THAT MAKES SENSE THAT THE HEIGHT LIMIT SHALL NOT APPLY WHEN AN ABUTTING PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOT USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES SUCH AS A CHURCH, SCHOOL, PARK, OR GOLF COURSE. 
          BUT LAST WEEK DURING THE BRIEFING, I ASKED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IT WAS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT SIMPLY VACANT. 
          AND YOU SAID, I BELIEVE EVEN IN THAT CASE, THE HEIGHT LIMIT WOULD NOT APPLY. 
          AND I THOUGHT IT WAS EVEN THAT, EVEN IF THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THERE BUT NOT OCCUPIED, THE HEIGHT LIMIT WOULDN'T APPLY. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE CLARIFICATION ON THIS. 
          SO THE NOTE 11, UH, IS ABOUT USE. 
          SO IF IT'S VACANT, UM, AND UH, ZONE SINGLE FAMILY, THEN THE LOT ADJACENT TO IT IS JUST SUBJECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THAT DISTRICT. 
          IT'S ALL THE NO, 11 IS RELATED TO USE ITSELF. 
          SO IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO AN I ONE DISTRICT THAT IS USED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THEN YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. 
          IT'S ABOUT USE NOTE 11 IS ABOUT USE. 
          IT SORT OF IMPLIES WHEN YOU READ, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE, WHATEVER IT IS, IT IS, BUT IT IMPLIES, LIKE WHEN I READ THIS, IT MAKES ME THINK YOU WOULD ONLY BE EXEMPTED IF YOU ARE USING IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, NOT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT USING IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE PRO, IF YOU'RE A, UH, MF 33 ZONED PROPERTY AND YOU ARE ABUTTING A, UH, R ONE ZONED PROPERTY OR R SIX ZONED PROPERTY, SORRY, AND IT HAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON IT, YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AS PUT FORWARD IN NODE 11. 
          BUT IF YOU ARE AN MF 33 ZONE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO AN R SIX ZONE PROPERTY THAT IS DEVELOPED AS A CHURCH, THEN YOU WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE, UH, ADDITIONAL HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD UP TO 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT USE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE ABUTTING THAT, THAT USE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WAS THE PREMISE OF MY QUESTION, BUT I'M STILL SAYING AS I READ THIS, I THINK IT'S REALLY CONFUSING TO PEOPLE BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ THAT SENTENCE, IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE PROPERTY IS EXEMPTED. 
          IF IT'S ALL, IF IT ALREADY HAS ANOTHER USE OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING IF IT'S NOT ACTIVELY BEING USED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND TO ME, WHAT FALLS INTO THE GRAY ZONE IS WHERE THERE'S NO USE AT ALL. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, WHATEVER IT IS, IT IS. 
          BUT I, I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY CONFUSING BECAUSE IF, IF I LIVED NEXT TO A VACANT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT AND I READ THIS, I WOULD THINK THAT SOMETHING GOING IN ON THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS. 
          I JUST THINK IT'S CONFUSING AS WRITTEN. 
          SO THE LANGUAGE IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO NOTE TWO WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT SETBACKS. 
          UH, SO YOU ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, UM, AND YOU ARE ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY USE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA BE SUBJECT TO, UH, FURTHER SETBACKS. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ADJACENT TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY USE, UM, AND LET'S SAY IT'S ZONED I ONE, THEN YOU'RE, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR SETBACKS ARE DECREASED BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ADJACENT TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY USE. 
          SO THE LANGUAGE IS, IS ALMOST MIRRORS WHAT'S IN ALREADY THE CODE FOR NOTE TWO. 
          I I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M OKAY, I'M DONE ASKING THE QUESTION. 
          I STILL THINK IT'S REALLY CONFUSING. 
          AND THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO READ THIS WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND THAT A VACANT LOT IS EXEMPT FROM THAT HEIGHT RESTRICTION. 
          IF THE ZONING COMMISSION WANTED TO PUT FORWARD SOME EXAMPLE LANGUAGE, THEN WE, WE COULD, WE COULD ENTERTAIN THAT JUST TO HELP CLARIFY THINGS ANY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YEAH. 
          QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, JUST TALKING ABOUT NOTE 11 IN TABLE THREE, 10 DASH ONE, UM, AND, AND THE, THE ORIENTATION OF WHERE THAT NOTE IS, I NOTED IN THE LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY ASKED THAT THAT 
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NOTE BE MOVED DOWN TO MF 1823 AND 25 AND 33. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY IT'S UNDER COLUMN L ON BUILDING HEIGHT AND WHY IT IS NOT UNDER THE COLUMN OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, AS ARE ALL OF THE OTHER NOTES? SURE. 
          SO IT'S, UH, SO ALL OF THE OTHER NOTES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST, UM, ONLY, UH, APPLY TO THOSE DISTRICTS IN WHICH IT'S PLACED ON IN COLUMN A. 
          UH, SO IF THAT NOTE, UH, IF A NOTE DOESN'T EXIST FOR A DIFFERENT DISTRICT, THEN THAT NOTE WOULDN'T APPLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, TABLE AND REVIEWING A PERMIT. 
          AGAIN, THE REASON WHY IT'S ON THE HEADER, UH, FOR HEIGHT IS SO THAT IT IS APPLICABLE TO ALL OF THE DISTRICTS. 
          UM, WE COULD MOVE IT TO JUST THE MF, UH, CATEGORIES OR THE RMM CATEGORIES, BUT THEN YOU, IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT HAVE, UH, THE ABILITY TO GO HIGHER, SUCH AS THE I ONE THAT I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER, IF IT WAS ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY USE. 
          SO PUTTING IT ON THE HEADER OF HEIGHT MEANS IT APPLIES TO ALL OF THEM AS OPPOSED TO ONLY APPLYING TO A FEW OF THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN IT'S ACTUALLY PROTECTING THE SINGLE FAMILY USE THAT'S ADJACENT TO MORE OTHER CATEGORIES OF, OF ZONING DISTRICTS? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. 
          SO, UH, CAN WE JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SET FORTH JUST TO TALK, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND. 
          I HEARD A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS SAY THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE, UM, UNINTENTIONAL, UH, CONSEQUENCES MAYBE FOR OTHER, UH, DISTRICTS. 
          I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED SAYS, HEIGHT LIMITS FOR RMM FOUR, ARM FIVE, RM SIX, MF 18, MF 25, AND MF, UH, 33. 
          SO THEY'RE ASKING TO AMEND THE HEIGHT LIMITS TO, UM, 35, UH, AND 2.5, UH, STORIES. 
          UM, SO WHAT, WHAT POTENTIAL UNINTENDED, UH, CONSEQUENCES WOULD ARISE FROM THAT PARTICULAR AMENDMENT? SURE. 
          SO THIS AMENDMENT WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT THE TAC AND DID NOT, UH, MOVE FORWARD AS A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. 
          UH, THE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD LIMIT THE RMM FOREARM FIVE AND RMM SIX FROM, UH, WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED IS 35 FEET, THREE STORIES TO 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF STORIES. 
          THE RMM DISTRICTS WERE ACTUALLY AMENDED IN 2012 TO ALLOW THAT ADDITIONAL HALF STORY AS PART OF THE, UH, INFILL, UH, DE THE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT MOVED FORWARD IN 2012. 
          THERE WAS AN INFILL TASK FORCE THAT LOOKED AT, UM, A LOT OF AREAS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO RECOMMEND, UM, MORE, UH, TO, TO RECOMMEND STANDARDS THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE INFILL DEVELOPMENT TYPE. 
          AND THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE AMENDMENTS. 
          SO IT WAS PURPOSEFULLY AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR THAT HALF STORY UP TO THREE STORIES BECAUSE IF YOU, UM, THE DISCUSSIONS WERE THAT IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU, UH, DEVELOP AN RM FOUR LOT, YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          PART OF THOSE STANDARDS INCLUDE PARKING. 
          UM, IN ORDER TO PARK IT, YOU WOULD PARK IT IN A GARAGE, SO YOUR GARAGE WOULD BE YOUR FIRST LEVEL. 
          IF IT WAS LIMITED TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES, THEN YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE A STORY AND A HALF OF LIVING SPACE, WHICH, WHICH LIMITED, UM, FAMILY SIZES INTO THESE HOMES. 
          AND SO THE, THE AMENDMENTS IN 2012 WAS TO ALLOW FOR AT LEAST A TWO FULL STORY, UM, HABITABLE LIVING SPACE TO ALLOW FOR MORE FAMILY OPTIONS. 
          AGAIN, THE HEIGHT IS STILL THE SAME AS ANY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH, WHICH WOULD TOP OUT AT 35 FEET. 
          UH, BUT THAT WAS A PURPOSEFUL AMENDMENT. 
          SO THE ATTACK TALKED ABOUT HOW IF WE WERE WE, IF THEY WERE TO PUT FORTH THIS AMENDMENT, WOULD IT BE GOING BACKWARDS? UH, BECAUSE 2012 WAS PURPOSEFUL IN, IN AMENDING IT TO ALLOW FOR THE HALF STORY. 
          UM, AND THEN RESTRICTING THE HEIGHT TO 35 FEET, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MF 33, I MEAN, WE, WE'VE SEEN, WE HAVE A LOT OF MF 33 TYPE DEVELOPMENTS, 33 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          UM, AND, UM, RESTRICTING IT AT TWO AND A HALF STORIES OR UH, 35 FEET WOULD LOOK DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE GROUND TODAY. 
          YOU SEE MANY, UM, APARTMENT STRUCTURES THAT ARE THREE FULL STORIES. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF, WHILE TRYING TO ADDRESS DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE INNER CITY COULD HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OUT TOWARDS 1604 BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY SEE. 
          UM, IF YOU 
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STEP BACK FROM THE, FROM THE SETBACKS, UH, USING OUR, WHAT WE CALL THE WEDDING CAKE APPROACH, YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND THERE ARE MANY APARTMENT COMPLEXES DEVELOPED THAT WAY. 
          SO THAT'S THAT, UH, THAT'S ADDRESSING THAT AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, TO STAFF ON THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, THIS C C R WAS ADDRESSING MORE INCOMPATIBILITY THAT WAS HAPPENING ON INNER CITY, IN THE INNER CITY. 
          SO HOW INVOLVED THEN WERE THE OTHER DISTRICTS ON THE OUTER PART OF THE, IN THIS DISCUSSION? COULD THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BE THAT THEY WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION AT ALL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TYPES OF AMENDMENTS? THAT WAS, UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL OFFICES HAD. 
          UH, AT THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS, WE HAD, UM, TASK FORCE MEMBERS THAT REPRESENTED DISTRICT 1, 2, 7, 8, 5, 3, UM, AND, UH, PARTIALLY NINE. 
          HOWEVER, UH, THERE WERE MANY OTHER DISTRICTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THESE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS AND, AND STATED THAT AT THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS BECAUSE AT, AT THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS, BECAUSE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS WEREN'T DEVELOPED IN THAT MANNER, AND FORCING THEM TO BE DEVELOPED IN THAT MANNER WOULD HAVE, UM, A, UM, COULD HAVE A DETRIMENT TO THE CHARACTER OF HOW THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED TODAY. 
          UH, ANY OF THESE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY THE INDIVIDUALS COULD BE PRESENTED WHEN THE U D C CODE IS BEING RE-LOOKED AT STARTING IN JANUARY TO MAY OF NEXT YEAR, CORRECT? YES. 
          THEY CAN BE SUBMITTED BY ANYONE, UM, STARTING IN JANUARY. 
          THEY'D GET A FULL SCOPE OF EYES ON IT AT THAT TIME. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND, UM, SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR THEM, FOR THEIR SPECIFIC DISTRICTS, UM, FOR REMEDIES FOR THAT? IS IT JUST THE U D C OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAN BE, UH, HELP, UH, THAT CAN HELP ADDRESS THAT? YES, THERE IS, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED AT THE TASK FORCE BECAUSE OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WANNA SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, ATTACHED DWELLINGS THAT COULD ALSO BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH EITHER A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVA CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY, MAYBE EVEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY, UH, WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS CAN LOOK AT SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS THAT THEY WANNA CONSERVE AND, UM, IMPLEMENT THOSE, UH, WITH ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF AN OVERLAY. 
          AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS. 
          UM, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, UM, SINGLE STRUCTURE, UM, AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, AND WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT THOSE WOULD HAVE ADVERSE, UM, CONSEQUENCES? I MEAN, UNINTENTIONAL CONSEQUENCES? I'M SORRY. 
          SO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAD, UM, A COUNCIL OFFICE THAT HAD SPOKEN, UH, ARE CONCERNED WITH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, CREATION OF MONOLITHIC BUILDINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK. 
          UM, SOME DISTRICTS, UH, PREFERRED THAT THEY BE DETACHED IF THEY WERE ZONED APPROPRIATE, ZONED AS APPROPRIATE IN ORDER TO BE DEVELOPED AS DETACHED, BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, MAYBE A DEFINING CHARACTER WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT AN MF 33, THE REQUIREMENT TO HAVE ALL APARTMENT UNITS IN ONE BUILDING ON A, ON AN, ON A PROPERTY THAT'S MAYBE TWO ACRES, THAT'S A MASSIVE ONE BUILDING, UM, ON A TWO ACRE PROJECT FOR A APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT TYPICALLY FOR APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          THEY'RE BROKEN UP INTO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, UM, AND, UM, AND, AND PLACED APPROPRIATELY AROUND COMMUNITY AMENITIES, IF YOU WILL. 
          UH, SO REQUIRING THEM ALL TO BE ATTACHED, UH, IS A CONCERN. 
          BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE, THERE'S OTHER WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE WAYS, AGAIN, THE NCDS, A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY, OR EVEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND, UM, UH, IS THAT DIFFICULT? LIKE, WOULD THAT, UH, IS THAT, WOULD A, WOULD THAT APPLY FOR EVERY, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WOULD WANT THAT? OR IS THAT DIFFICULT? 'CAUSE DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMMUNITY CONSENSUS, OR HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THAT BE TO, UM, ADDRESS IT THAT WAY? UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE DEVELOPING NCDS, THE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, AS DIFFICULT AS I'VE SEEN, UH, FOR OTHER OVERLAY DISTRICTS. 
          THE NCDS, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT BUY-IN TO INITIATE THE PROCESS. 
          UH, YOU JUST NEED TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AND INITIATE THEIR PROCESS. 
          AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, ONE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. 
          MARY JOHNSON SPOKE EARLIER, SHE REPRESENTS THE MONTE VISTA TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S ONE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, WORKING WITH, WITH THEM TO CREATE AN N C D FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT BUY-IN TO START WITH, BUT IT IS A REZONING PROCESS. 
          AND SO PROPERTY OWNERS GET TO WEIGH IN. 
          BUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN CREATING THE DISTRICT STANDARDS, UM, YOU HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS TO SEE, IS THIS WHAT YOU WANNA CONSERVE FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? AND AT THAT POINT, THEY CAN PROVIDE INPUT. 
          WE HAVE NINE OUR, WE HAVE NINE AS OF TODAY, AND AGAIN, WORKING ON NUMBER 10. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ONE IN THE 
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QUEUE AFTER WE FINISH MONTE VISTA TERRACE FOR TOMAN HILL NORTH. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, IT JUST, IT DEPENDS IF, IF THE NEIGHBORS WORK TOGETHER, IT, IT CAN BE A, A FASTER PROCESS. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S STILL A PROCESS, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT, IT HASN'T BEEN, UH, CONTENTIOUS TO CREATE ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, WITH THESE SPECIFIC NEEDS, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, SOME OF THIS MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ADDRESSED, UM, WHEN THE MEETINGS START FOR THE U D C 2020, BUT, UM, IS THAT GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET THESE NEEDS FOR THEIR PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS? LIKE, IS IT HARD TO GET ON THE TASK FORCE? IS IT, UM, HARD TO GET YOUR VOICE HEARD? OR HOW CAN YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL ASSURED THAT THEIR VOICES WILL STILL BE, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND THESE, UH, NEEDS BE ADDRESSED? SO THE 2020 U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS IS AN APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          ANYONE CAN SUBMIT, UM, A, A CONSTITUENT, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN SUBMIT A U D C AMENDMENT THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          YOU FILL OUT THE, YOU FILL OUT THE APPLICATION AND YOU PROVIDE WHAT YOU THINK, UH, THE CODE SHOULD, UH, BE WRITTEN AS IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE YOUR AMENDMENT CONSIDERED AS IT MOVES FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS, THERE'S DISCUSSION AT, AT THE TAC. 
          YOU AS AN APPLICANT WOULD PRESENT THAT, THE REASONS WHY, AND THAT WOULD GET DISCUSSED AT THE TAC. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, THERE IT MOVES FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION. 
          AND, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER STEPS INVOLVED IN THAT, THAT IT'S A LOT OF DETAILS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT STARTS WITH A SIMPLE APPLICATION. 
          YOU, ANYONE CAN APPLY, SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION STARTING IN JANUARY, AND YOU HAVE ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL MAY 1ST, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S MAY 1ST. 
          CORRECT, YEAH. 
          UP TO MAY 1ST TO, UH, TO SUBMIT. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING READY TO GO JANUARY 1ST. 
          YOU CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT, FINESSE IT, UM, AND THEN SUBMIT IT AS LONG AS IT'S SUBMITTED BY MAY 1ST. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, IN DISCUSSING THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, UM, WOULD SPLITTING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND MAKING IT WHERE THEY MIGHT ONLY BE APPLICABLE TO RMM INSTEAD OF RMM AND MF, WOULD THAT HELP WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MF 33 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, A DEVELOPER OUT ON 1604 WANTING TO HAVE SEPARATE BUILDINGS VERSUS THE RMMS THAT, THAT THEY, THEY WOULD NOT, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE AN RMM OR YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER DEVELOPING A, A MASSIVE APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          SO WOULD THAT HELP ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES IF YOUR QUESTION IS APPLYING THEM BASED ON GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES? NO, MY QUESTION IS MAKING THE AMENDMENTS APPLICABLE TO THE RM DISTRICTS AND NOT THE MF DISTRICTS. 
          OH, AMENDMENTS CAN BE, UH, PROPOSED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION THAT WOULD ONLY ADDRESS RM OR ONLY ADDRESSED MF IT. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PUT FORWARD BY THE TAC, UH, WERE REFERENCING MF ONLY. 
          SO YEAH, YOU COULD PROPOSE AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT WOULD ADDRESS ONLY ONE DISTRICT VERSUS ALL SIX DISTRICTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS, COMMISSIONER. 
          GREATHOUSE . 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR THAT . 
          UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA DO WHAT I LIKE TO DO, WHICH IS KIND OF LISTEN TO EVERYONE'S CONCERNS. 
          UM, AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO START WITH MINE. 
          UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO WAIT TO MAKE A MOTION UNTIL I HEAR, SINCE THIS IS NOT JUST A, MY DISTRICT . 
          UM, SOUNDS GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT, THAT THE C C R, ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS OF THE C C R WAS TO ADDRESS THE RMM FOUR DISTRICT. 
          AND THE FACT THAT IT'S BEING USED FOR THE MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH IS A HIGHER IMPACT TO THOSE COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT ARE, THEY'RE MORE DEVELOPED. 
          THEY'VE, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE KIND OF A MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY FEEL, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE UNITS ON THOSE LOTS. 
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SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND ALSO THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE TO THE MORE INNER CITY AREAS, WHEREAS THE OUTLYING AREAS MAY NOT HAVE THAT ISSUE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH. 
          HOWEVER, I ALSO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NORTHERN AREAS OR THE OUTLYING AREAS. 
          AND THE FACT THAT AMENDMENTS LIKE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR DEVELOPERS TRYING TO DO APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE LARGER IN NATURE. 
          AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST A SINGLE LOT. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN WITHIN THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE SOME RMM ZONED LOTS THAT ARE, HAVE MULTIPLE STRUCTURES. 
          I CAN THINK OF JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, FIVE THAT ARE IN THE MONTE VISTA, ALTA VISTA, AND TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A DUPLEX IN THE FRONT AND THEN A SINGLE UNIT OR ANOTHER DUPLEX IN THE BACK. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN PUT FORTH THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED BY THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS AS THEY'VE BEEN PROPOSED. 
          UM, I AM ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE DO HAVE SOME, WE'VE NOT REACHED CONSENSUS WITH A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE, I THINK, SUPPOSED TO BE A TARGET OF THIS. 
          I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T DO, UM, LOCALIZED ZONING, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT SEEMED TO BE A REALLY BIG ISSUE AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE COUNCILMAN FROM MY DISTRICT PUT THIS FORTH. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I STAND ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? UM, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH TODAY AND, AND THE REASONS WHY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE INCLUDED. 
          BUT I THINK, UM, AS MY COLLEAGUE JUST SAID, THE OUTER LINE AREAS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE VERY MUCH IMPACTED BY THOSE AMENDMENTS AS OF TODAY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A BETTER, UH, APPROACH TO GO BACK AND RESTUDY THAT FURTHER ON. 
          AND MAYBE BETTER TO FIND THAT AS WE COME AROUND TO THE U D C CHANGES NEXT YEAR, OR, I'M SORRY, 2020. 
          UM, SO I WILL, UH, PROBABLY BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION AS IT IS PRESENTED TO US TODAY. 
          COMMISSIONER? NO, I ALSO, UM, UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE, THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, AND I'VE BEEN TRYING TO, TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE ONE STRUCTURE ISSUE, AND, AND I WAS, IT WASN'T UNTIL COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE MENTIONED ABOUT DUPLEXES AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS AN OLDER, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL WITH, UM, A MIX OF ALL OF ALL OF THESE ZONINGS. 
          UM, SO I THINK I, I THINK THAT LEADS ME TO JUST GOING WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN, UM, PUT FORTH BY STAFF AT THE TIME IN THAT, THAT AT LEAST WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON SOME CONCRETE ITEMS AND THEN, UM, CAN BETTER STUDY. 
          AND I KNOW THAT, THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN PERHAPS EVEN OVERSTUDIED, BUT TO CONTINUE TO STUDY THE, UH, THE ONE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, IT, AS I SAID, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          THE NEXT, THE NEXT LOT, THE NEXT BLOCK DOWN WE'LL HAVE, UM, A QUADPLEX AND THEN, UH, NEXT STREET WE'VE GOT, AND, AND MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS SINCE OUR, SINCE OUR OLDER HOUSES HAVE THE DETACHED GARAGES, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN CONVERTED INTO, UM, SMALLER APARTMENTS. 
          UM, SOME NOT SO WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO LIMIT THAT TO ONE STRUCTURE WOULD, WOULD KIND OF PREVENT, UM, I THINK SOME OF THE GRANNY FLATS THAT, THAT ARE REALLY AN ENDEARING PART OF THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMM. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE, UH, FOR DISTRICT SIX. 
          UH, I AM HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME SEEING THAT, UH, MONOLITHIC STRUCTURE 
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THAT, UH, THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW THE U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS TO TAKE PLACE IN, UH, JANUARY. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR MYSELF, ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, YES, I SERVE AS A DELEGATE ON BEHALF OF ZONING TO THE P TTAC. 
          AND THE DISCUSSION WAS PRETTY LENGTHY ON THIS TOPIC. 
          UH, IT WAS EMOTIONAL AT SOME POINTS, AND IT WAS SHOCKING TO SEE THE DISPARITY OF BUILDING HEIGHTS AND INCOMPATIBILITY IN SOME OF THESE, UM, VERY SWEET, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WE CAME TO THE BEST SOLUTION. 
          I CAN'T SAY THAT TODAY IS THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT THE PROCESS. 
          AND I JUST REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THE ENTIRE CITY TO BE INVOLVED ON THIS. 
          IT WAS DISCONCERTING TO HAVE SO MUCH PRESSURE AT THAT PTAC MEETING THAT THIS BE DECIDED AT THAT MEETING WHEN I DON'T FEEL D NINE, D 10, MAYBE EVEN D EIGHT, HAD ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT WAS HAP GOING TO HAPPEN, HAD THAT PASSED IN THEIR, IN THAT PART OF THE CITY, WHICH IS THICK WITH A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF ZONES. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WHAT THE STAFF HAS BROUGHT FORTH. 
          KATT GAVE A EXCEPTIONAL, UM, PRESENTATION TO P T A C AT THE TIME. 
          I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTOOD IT. 
          BUT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN A, A GREAT PRESENTATION ON YOUR CONCERNS TOO. 
          IT STILL CAN BE HEARD, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE THE PROCESS STILL GOING FORWARD TO MAKE A CHANGE. 
          A VERY LONG PROCESS TOO. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE TOLL, YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE. 
          AND WE'RE, FROM WHAT I'M HEARD, I NEED TO COME WITH MY LUNCH BAG 'CAUSE I'LL BE DONE HERE THE ENTIRE DAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          UM, BRIEFLY 'CAUSE I PROBABLY WOULD REITERATE WHAT ALL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THUS FAR HAVE SAID, WHICH IS WE DO APPRECIATE, UH, THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP. 
          HOWEVER, UM, I THINK THE PROCESS IS IMPORTANT AND IT CONCERNS ME, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO BROUGHT UP SOME NOTE 11 ISSUES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          AND I STARTED TRYING TO DO A QUICK LINE EDIT SITTING HERE, AND I REALIZED ANYTHING I DO COULD HAVE A NUMBER OF EFFECTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY UNINTENTIONAL. 
          AND SO, GIVEN THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT HAS BEEN SPENT WORKING ON THESE AMENDMENTS, UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN, THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSENSUS. 
          UH, NONETHELESS, GIVEN THE PROCESS, GIVEN THE STEPS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE TO THIS POINT, I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION THAT WOULD TAKE, UM, THESE AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE A POSSIBLE, UM, SMALL AMENDMENT ON THE TOPIC I MENTIONED. 
          I, IF THE INTENT IS TO, UM, HAVE THE EXEMPTIONS NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTY THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT, THEN AFTER GOLF COURSE IN NOTE 11 INSTEAD OF A PERIOD, IT COULD JUST BE GOLF COURSE OR IS CURRENTLY VACANT. 
          IF THAT WAS THE INTENT, IF THE INTENT WAS THAT VACANT PROPERTIES SHOULD STILL GET THE EXEMPTION, THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO I'M JUST GOING WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP CLARIFY IT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE POSSIBLE AMENDMENT? DR. 
          ROMERO JUST MENTIONED COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          AND IF THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT, DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE? ARE YOU ASKING ME? YES, YES. 
          UM, I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE, UM, INSTEAD OF, BUT NOT USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, I THINK IT WOULD SAY, BUT AL BUT DEVELOPED FOR, BUT ALREADY DEVELOPED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES. 
          OKAY. 
          ON LINE FOUR OF NOTE 11 WHERE IT SAYS ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOT USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES. 
          THE ALTERNATE COULD BE TO SAY ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT ALREADY DEVELOPED FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES. 
          AND JUST TO GIVE, JUST TO KIND OF CHIME IN, SO SIMILAR TO OUR NOTE TWO SETBACKS. 
          UM, 
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THERE ARE, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF, OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          UM, NOT SPECIFICALLY RESTRICTED TO, UH, BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE SAYS SUCH AS, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USE LIKE SCHOOL, CHURCH, PARK, AND OR GOLF COURSE. 
          UM, THE VACANT PROPERTY DOES NOT ALL, IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO VACANT PROPERTY, YOU AREN'T SUBJECT TO THAT RESTRICTION BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT PROPERTY IS VACANT. 
          SOMEBODY'S GONNA COME IN AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY DEVELOPED IT. 
          AND SO THEY'LL SEE THAT THIS IS ALREADY DEVELOPED AT 45 FEET. 
          IF IT, IT'S SORT OF THE BUYER BEWARE CONCEPT. 
          IF I KNOW IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED, IT'S ALREADY AT THAT HEIGHT, BUT I'M GONNA, IT'S ZONED R ONE, OR I MEAN, I'M SORRY, R SIX. 
          UH, THEN, UH, I, I, I'M JUST GONNA BE AWARE THAT THIS PROPERTY'S ALREADY DEVELOPED, THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I EITHER BUY IT OR I DON'T. 
          SO AGAIN, IT, IT WAS, IT, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO APPLY TO VACANT PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IF THAT'S THE INTENT, INTENT, THEN I WILL STILL GO WITH MY ORIGINAL AMENDMENT OR IS CURRENTLY VACANT. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER ROMERO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO BY VACANT YOU MEAN VACANT AS IN NO STRUCTURES CURRENTLY EXISTING, OR DO YOU MEAN VACANT AS IN IT COULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S JUST VACANT 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE MARKET. 
          THE FIRST, THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU SAID THE FORMER VACANT. 
          SO NO STRUCTURES CURRENTLY EXISTING? YES. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WHAT VACANT. 
          THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN OUR CODE VERSUS VACANT. 
          AND UNOCCUPIED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I MEANT VACANT WOULD JUST BE NO, YES, IT'S VA VACANT MEANS BARE LAND. 
          SO VACANT IS THE CORRECT TERM? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST CLARIFYING. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IS THAT, ARE WE DISCUSSING AMENDMENT OR JUST DISCUSSING AN AMENDMENT  AN AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING? OR IS SHE COMMISSIONER SAYING, I'M THINKING OF SUBMITTING THIS AMENDMENT, SO LET'S DISCUSS IT? I'M JUST SAYING THAT FOR WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION THAT THEY COULD ADD THAT IN THE MOTION AS IT'S NOT REALLY AN AMENDMENT, IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION, UH, TO THE LANGUAGE THAT I THINK JUST, IT'S NOT CHANGING THE INTENT THAT WE'RE GETTING, IT'S JUST CLARIFYING THE INTENT. 
          SIMILAR TO ADDING, ADDING THAT THE TECH DID. 
          UH, COULD, COULD I ASK STAFF ON THEIR THOUGHT ON CLARIFYING IT WITH THE WORD VACANT? THE CLARIFICATION IS GOOD. 
          UH, AT LEAST IT GIVES, UH, CLARITY IN THAT VACANT PROPERTY IS, UH, IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE NOT, UH, SUBJECT TO THOSE ADDITIONAL HIGH RESTRICTIONS. 
          IT'S JUST MORE CLARITY COMM, OH, SORRY. 
          NO, SO A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED HERE. 
          SO I SUPPORT WHAT MY COLLEAGUE HAS, HAS POINTED OUT WITH VACANT LAND. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF IS TAKING THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          HOWEVER, FROM THE PURPOSES OF TRYING TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, THEN I THINK WE'RE ALMOST PUTTING MORE OF A BURDEN ON THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          AND THAT COULD IMPACT THEIR ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING ON THAT PROPERTY AND THEN SELL IT RESIDENTIAL, UH, OR THAT COULD LEAD US MORE TO WHAT I DON'T LIKE, WHICH IS THE THEN COMMERCIALIZATION OF PROPERTY STARTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THE PROPERTY THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED. 
          I I JUST FEEL LIKE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE STARTING DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE NOTE TWO IN SETBACKS. 
          UH, SO VACANT PROPERTY IS ALREADY IMPLIED IN THAT, IN THAT SENTENCE, IS THAT IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE ADJACENT TO VACANT, THEN YOU AREN'T SUBJECT TO MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS. 
          SO WHEN THE NEW PERSON COMES IN TO BUILD ON THAT, ON THE VACANT PROPERTY ZONE, SINGLE FAMILY, THEY ALREADY SEE WHAT'S NEXT TO THEM. 
          AND SO IT DOESN'T RESTRICT HOW THEY DEVELOP. 
          THEY CAN STILL DEVELOP A, ACCORDING TO HOW IT'S ZONED AND FOLLOW THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          IT'S JUST ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT DOOR TO THEM. 
          EXACTLY. 
          IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT DOOR TO THEM. 
          AND MY POINT IS, YOU'LL BE LESS LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO SELL THAT THREE OR $400,000 HOME ON A PROPERTY WITH AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITHOUT THAT HEIGHT RESTRICTION RIGHT NEXT TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSMAN. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH THE FOLLOWING. 
          CHANGE TO THE SECOND SENTENCE OF NOTE 11. 
          UH, THAT SENTENCE WILL BE STRICKEN AND REPLACED WITH THE HEIGHT LIMIT. 
          SHALL NOT APPLY. 
          WHERE AN ABUTTING PROPERTY IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT NOT USED FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, UH, SUCH AS A CHURCH SCHOOL PARK GOLF COURSE OR VACANT PROPERTY. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION 
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ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL WITH, UH, CLARIFIED LANGUAGE WITH A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          SO I SHARE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE INCLUSION OF VACANT INTO THAT EXCLUSION. 
          UM, , I, I AGREE. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ALMOST TREATING SINGLE FAMILY ZONED LOTS DIFFERENTLY, WHETHER OR WHAT, BASED ON WHETHER THEY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED OR NOT DEVELOPED. 
          SO IT'S, IF YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, R SIX THAT HAS A HOUSE CURRENTLY ON IT, THERE'S ONE STANDARD. 
          IF YOU HAVE AN R SIX THAT DOES NOT HAVE A HOUSE ON IT, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER STANDARD. 
          AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT US TREATING THE, THE, THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT DIFFERENTLY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND HAPPENS OCCASIONALLY, BUT I KNOW THAT I'M COMFORTABLE BEING THE ONE THAT VOTES TO INSERT THAT. 
          AND IF I COULD JUST GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ON SOME VACANT R SIX ZONE PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS TODAY, ESPECIALLY IN, UM, OUTSIDE OF FOUR 10 OUT TOWARDS 1604. 
          SO AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ANNEX PROPERTY MAYBE A DECADE AGO AND BEFORE THAT, WE WOULD ANNEX IT AND BRING IT IN AS A TEMPORARY R ONE ZONING. 
          UM, AND MANY INSTANCES, UM, AGAIN, PRIOR TO THE 2001 U D C, UM, MANY INSTANCES THE CITY DID NOT GO OUT AGAIN TO REZONE THAT TEMP R ONE TO A DESIGNATION THAT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO 1604, LET'S SAY. 
          SO WHEN THE 2001 CODE WAS ADOPTED, MANY THOSE TEMP R ONES THEN CONVERTED TO R SIX. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES ALONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS OR MAJOR ARTERIALS OR FREEWAYS. 
          AND SO IF I MAY, AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE COULD BE, NOW YOU HAVE AN MF 33 LOT ON A, UM, ON 1604 ADJACENT TO, UH, R AN R SIX 10 ACRE TRACT THAT NOW WILL BE SUBJECT TO, UM, A HEIGHT LIMITATION OF 35 FEET INSTEAD OF GOING TO 45 FEET. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE QUESTION, BUT WOULDN'T THAT ONLY BE FOR THE 50 FEET FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY USE? SURE. 
          THE FIRST 50 FEET, BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON HOW BIG THEIR PROPERTY IS, IF THEY'RE ONLY A HUNDRED FEET WIDE AND THEN THEY ONLY HAVE 50 FEET, OR THEY MAY BE IN BETWEEN SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN TWO R SIXES AS A RESULT OF THE OLD TEMP R ONE ANNEXATION. 
          SO I MEAN, YES, IT WOULD ONLY BE SUBJECT TO THE FIRST 50 FEET, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THOSE TRACKS ARE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
           ANTE. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          UH, AND I THINK, UH, AND WHILE CERTAINLY I UNDERSTAND BOTH OF YOUR CONCERNS, WHAT I THINK INSPIRED ME OR CONVINCED ME TO, UH, MAKE THE MOTION AS IT HAS BEEN MADE IS THAT THIS WAS APPARENTLY THE INTENTION. 
          AND SO IF THIS WAS THE INTENTION, WHETHER OR NOT THIS LANGUAGE IS INCLUDED, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ANYWAY. 
          AND SO, UH, I WOULD RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE OF CLARITY, UM, AND END IN THE SAME PLACE THAN HAVE SOME AMBIGUITY AND END IN THE SAME PLACE. 
          I, I THINK IS WHERE, WHERE I COME FROM. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO, BRING THIS UP JUST A LITTLE. 
          I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU THOUGHT THERE COULD BE A LITTLE CONFUSION ON THIS. 
          IF YOU HAVE A, A LOT THAT'S MF 33 IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK AND THE ONE SIDE IS SINGLE FAMILY WITH A HOME ON IT AND THE OTHER SIDE IS SINGLE FAMILY, BUT VACANT, I THINK YOUR INTENT IS THAT YOU WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE EXEMPTION, BUT AS YOU READ NOTE 11, IT KI KIND OF MAKES IT SEEM LIKE YOU WOULD GET THE EXEMPTION. 
          SO THAT WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT, IS IT THE, THE, THE TWO SE THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES DON'T REALLY SPEAK TO EACH OTHER. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE SAYS THERE'S A LIMIT IF YOU'RE NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          BUT THE NEXT ONE SAYS THERE'S NO LIMIT IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL VACANT. 
          SO IF I WERE A DEVELOPER, I WOULD FOCUS ON THAT SECOND SENTENCE, EXCEPT THAT THE VERY LAST SENTENCE, IF YOU'RE LESS THAN A THIRD OF AN ACRE, THEN YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF STORIES ON 
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THE ENTIRE LOT. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT LESS THAN ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE, IF YOU'RE LARGER THAN ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE, THEN YEAH, THE INTENT WAS PURPOSEFUL TO ALLOW THEM TO GO HIGHER. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE LARGER TRACKS. 
          BUT IF YOU HAVE A VACANT LOT ON ONE SIDE AND A DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CAN STILL GO HIGHER. 
          YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO HIGHER IF IT, YOU'RE NOT ADJACENT TO A SINGLE FAMILY USE. 
          IF IT'S ZONED R SIX AND VACANT ON ONE SIDE OF YOU, IT DOESN'T HAVE A USE ON IT. 
          REMEMBER? 'CAUSE THAT ONE COULD BE DEVELOPED AS A CHURCH SCHOOL. 
          ANY OTHER USE THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE IN BETWEEN TWO AND ONE'S DEVELOPED SINGLE FAMILY AND ONE'S VACANT, SINGLE FAMILY, DO YOU GET THE EXEMPTION OR NOT? YOU, YOU WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE, TO THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT RESTRICTION ON THE FIRST 50 FEET ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, NOT SUBJECT TO IT ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          AND YEAH, I MEAN I I I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BUS DEANTE, I, I I I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS VACANT LOT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE STAFF ISN'T MOVING ON THIS, SO AT LEAST WE CAN GET CLARITY ON WHAT IT, NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT MOVING ON IT, BUT THAT THE INTENT IS CLEAR. 
          UM, BUT SO I, I THINK THAT WITH, GIVEN THEIR INTENT, I JUST THOUGHT WE COULD MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, BUT, BUT I GET YOUR ARGUMENT AND I, I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH IT, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT NOW. 
          SO WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST BE CLEAR FOR WHAT IT IS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALMOST. 
          OKAY. 
           AND COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE, YOU HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE BUTTON. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, I GUESS WHY COULDN'T WE CLARIFY IT THE OTHER WAY? WHY CAN'T YOU CLARIFY? RIGHT? TO SAY IT SHOULD BE FOR ALL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS EXCEPT WHERE THE USE HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED. 
          KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE BUYER, BEWARE, YOU'RE, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A 45 FOOT OR HOWEVER TALL, OR YOU HAVE A CHURCH OR YOU HAVE A SCHOOL OR YOU HAVE WHATEVER. 
          BUT WHEN YOU BUY A SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND YOU'RE NEXT TO SOMETHING THAT'S VACANT, AND THAT ALSO IS, I GUESS IT WOULD BE ZONED MF 33. 
          IF, IF YOU'RE SMART ENOUGH TO GO OR IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO GO LOOK AT THE CODE AND UNDERSTAND, WHICH LIKE 99.99% OF PEOPLE ARE NOT. 
          UM, I STILL HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT TREATING SINGLE, JUST LIKE YOUR EXAMPLE, YOU'VE GOT A SINGLE FAMILY LOT, A MULTI-FAMILY, AND A SINGLE FAMILY. 
          AND THOSE TWO SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ARE BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY BASED UPON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE A STRUCTURE ON THEM OR THEY DO NOT. 
          NO, I, I THINK THE COMMISSION'S RIGHT. 
          I, I JUST FEEL LIKE STAFF'S TELLING US THAT WASN'T THE INTENT OF THE TASK FORCE. 
          I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE NICE IF WE COULD ENSURE THAT WASN'T THE INTENT OF THE TASK FORCE. 
          WE COULD BE, I MEAN, JUST AS SORT OF INSTRUCTIONS AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          BUT YEAH, I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I, I GUESS I'M NOT, I'M CONTENT WITH THE, WITH THE MOTION AS IS, BUT I, I REALLY DO AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, OKAY, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE HEARD STAFF SAY TO US BEFORE THAT IT DOES DEPEND ON THE USE OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED. 
          AND IT MIGHT BE ZONED ON PAPER. 
          IT WILL SAY THAT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE USE OF IT WOULD BE IN PARTICULAR, OR IF IT GETS REZONED. 
          SO I'M NOT, I THINK WE'RE HEADING INTO MURKY WATER HERE AND I'D RATHER GO BACK TO A FULL PROCESS. 
          DISTRICT 10 IS NOT HERE AS WELL TO HEAR THIS DISCUSSION. 
          SO I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, ENTERTAINING THIS A AMENDMENT. 
          I, I WON'T SUPPORT IT. 
          I'M GONNA STAY WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BRING IT BACK INTO FULL PROCESS AT U D C TIME, WHICH ONE OF US HERE CAN SUBMIT OKAY. 
          IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, ALL THIS CURRENT AMENDMENT IS DOING IS CLARIFYING WHAT HAS, WHAT WAS APPARENTLY THE INTENT OF THE TASK FORCE WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE ARE CHANGING ANYTHING. 
          AND STAFF WOULD AGREE WITH THAT MOTION, WITH THAT CLARIFICATION SAYING THAT THE VACANT PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER HUI. 
          AYE. 
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MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          UM, BEFORE YOU START, LET'S JUST TAKE A QUICK, UM, FIVE MINUTE, UH, BREAK PLEASE. 
          ALRIGHT, LEE, 2 58 AND WE'LL COME BACK INTO SESSION. 
          HELLO? THERE WE GO. 
          GOOD 
          [4. 19-8387 (Continued from 11/05/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700228
(Council District 9): Ordinance amending the Zoning District Boundary from "I-1 AHOD" General Industrial Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-3 AHOD" General Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 37, Block 1, NCB 13197, located at 11902 Warfield Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@SanAntonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, LOCATED AT 1 1 9 0 2. 
          WARFIELD IS A REQUEST OF CHANGE OF ZONING FROM I ONE TO C THREE 12. 
          NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, THREE IN OPPOSITION. 
          THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MADAM CHAIR, I'M ROB KILLEN, 100 WEST HOUSTON STREET, ONM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA MAKE SOME, UH, VERY BRIEF COMMENTS, WHICH I KNOW STAFF HAS HAD TO LISTEN TO SOME OF MY VERY LONG PRESENTATIONS LAST COUPLE WEEKS. 
          AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO VINCE CANTU'S, ACTUAL BUSINESS OWNER. 
          LET HIM TALK ABOUT HIS VISION, UH, FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, APOLOGIZE THAT WE'VE HAD TO CONTINUE THIS CASE A COUPLE OF TIMES. 
          AND, UH, REASON FOR THAT IS WE'RE STILL IRONING OUT SOME QUESTIONS RELATED TO PARKING. 
          AND WE ALSO WANTED TO CONTINUE OUTREACH TO, UH, BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. 
          SO VINCE IS GONNA TALK ABOUT, ABOUT OUR OUTREACH WHEN HE COMES UP AND SPEAKS. 
          LEMME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PARKING, UH, SOLUTION. 
          UH, SO THIS PROPERTY, UH, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ZONING WE'RE ASKING FOR VERSUS WHAT WE ORIGINAL CONCEPT FOR THIS, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR C THREE. 
          AND THE IDEA IS THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, CLASSIFIED AS A BAR. 
          WE'D ORIGINALLY COME IN THE REQUEST FOR L ZONING, BUT CHANGE THAT TO C THREE. 
          SO HERE'S THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THERE'S AN AERIAL. 
          YOU CAN SEE THIS. 
          UH, WE'RE AT THE EDGE OF THE AIRPORT. 
          WE THE BACK OUT A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU CAN SEE WARFIELD THERE AND BACK OUT A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS, THERE WE GO. 
          SO HERE'S THE PROPERTY HERE. 
          THIS IS 2 81. 
          SO WE'RE ON THE WEST SIDE OF 2 81. 
          HERE'S THE EAST SIDE OF 2 81. 
          SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE SITTING OUT HERE, OUT BACK, UH, ONCE, ONCE WE'VE GOT THIS REZONED, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WATCH THE, UH, THE PLAINS LAND, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF COOL. 
          IT'S KIND OF NEAT OUT THERE, OUT THERE HANGING OUT IN THE BACKYARD WHEN, UH, VINCE FIRST APPROACH US ABOUT THIS. 
          SO, UH, IT'S A NEAT DEAL. 
          UH, SO IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED I ONE ALL THE ZONING AROUND IT IS, IS I ONE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND YOU'VE GOT THE RED OR SOME COMMERCIAL, YOU'VE GOT SOME C THREES MIXED IN HERE. 
          NOW, UNDER THE PLAN, UH, IT'S DESIGNATED AS BUSINESS PARK AND BUSINESS PARK. 
          THE ASSOCIATED ZONING IS C THREE. 
          SO AS Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW, WHEN CLIENTS COME TO OUR OFFICE, AND MOSTLY CLIENTS DON'T COME IN AND SAY, I NEED A PARTICULAR ZONING, THEY SAY, I WANNA DO THIS KIND OF BUSINESS, WHAT ZONING DO I NEED? AND SO OUR TYPICAL RESPONSE ON THAT IS, LET'S FIND THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS MOST LIKE WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE AND MOST LIKE WHAT'S AROUND YOU THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. 
          SO I ASKED VINCE, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? AND HE SAID, WELL, I WANT A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND GET A PIZZA AND HAVE SOME BEERS, MAYBE SOME COCKTAILS. 
          I SAID, OKAY, WELL, THAT'S A RESTAURANT. 
          YOU'VE GOT I ONE ZONING. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO REZONE FOR A RESTAURANT, YOU'RE ALLOWED, YOU CAN GO IN AND GET PIZZA AND BEER IN I ONE ZONING. 
          HE SAID, WELL, AND HE'LL TALK ABOUT HIS CONCEPT. 
          BUT WHAT I WANNA DO IS, IS CRAFT BEER AND CRAFT COCKTAILS. 
          AND, AND ANYONE WHO'S BOUGHT A CRAFT BEER VERSUS A BUD LIGHT, UH, KNOWS CRAFT BEER. 
          BEERS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          CRAFT COCKTAILS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          SO IMAGINE A COUPLE, THEY COME IN, THEY ORDER A PIZZA FOR 10 BUCKS, THEY, UH, EACH ORDER A COUPLE BEERS, THEIR BUD LIGHTS, MAYBE THEY SPENT 20 BUCKS ON ON BEER AND 10 BUCKS ON PIZZA. 
          UH, WELL THAT WOULD STILL CLASSIFY AS A RESTAURANT, BUT IF THEY SPENT 20 BUCKS EACH ON THE CRAFT BEERS AND 10 BUCKS ON THE PIZZA. 
          NOW BECAUSE OF THE PERCENTAGE OF SALES THAT QUALIFIES A BAR, NOT A RESTAURANT. 
          SO THE ACTUAL USE, TWO PEOPLE WALKING INTO A PLACE ORDERING A PIZZA AND GET A COUPLE BEERS ISN'T ANY DIFFERENT. 
          THE 
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ONLY THING THAT IS DIFFERENT IS THE PRICE OF THE BEER VERSUS THE PRICE OF THE PIZZA. 
          SO, SO WE CAN'T DO A BAR IN I ONE. 
          SO THE NEXT CLOSEST ZONING DISTRICT THAT IS SIMILAR TO I ONE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO A BAR AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED IT, IS THE L THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          SO WE SUBMITTED A REQUEST, OH, REQUESTING GOING FROM I ONE TO L LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND STAFF REVIEWED. 
          AND THEY SAID, WELL, UH, IT'S GREAT, UH, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH, WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT WE REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE C THREE BECAUSE, UH, THE BUSINESS PARK, THERE'S NO L IN THE BUSINESS PARK. 
          AS AN ASSOCIATED ZONING DISTRICTS, THEY ASKED US TO AMEND OUR REQUEST, UH, TO C THREE AND THERE'S OTHER C THREE IN THAT GENERAL AREA. 
          UH, SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN UNDER THE AIRPORT PLAN. 
          SO THAT WAS THE REASONING GOING FROM I ONE TO C THREE. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE A, A BIT OF A DROP, BUT IN TERMS OF USE, IT'S REALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU COULD DO IN I ONE BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO A RESTAURANT. 
          BUT, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH A PLAN. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP AT C THREE. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'D ASKED FOR THE CONTINUANCES TO TALK ABOUT, UH, PARKING. 
          AND SO THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT PARKING ON SITE BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S A BUILDING'S ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND SO WE NEED ABOUT 40 PARKING SPACES. 
          IT'S A SMALL SITE AND UH, WHAT VINCE IS TRYING TO DO IS SAVE TREES IN THE BACK BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THAT BACKYARD AREA, IT'S REALLY COOL WATCHING THE PLANES COME IN AND OUT. 
          YOU DON'T WANNA TURN THAT BACKYARD INTO A PARKING LOT. 
          UH, SO WHAT, WHAT VINCE DID, AND HE'LL, HE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE EFFORTS WHEN KNOCKED ON DOORS, BUSINESSES NEARBY AND THE FOLKS ACROSS THE STREET HAVE GOT SOME SPACES THEY'RE NOT USING. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS A PROPER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING AND HERE'S THE PROPERTY, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, AND THEY'VE GOT 29 SPACES OVER THERE SO HE CAN DO 15 ONSITE AND 29, UH, ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO PARK WHEN THEY COME THERE. 
          YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AND NOT BE SURE WHERE THAT OVERFLOW PARKING IS. 
          NOW I KNOW WE, WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT, AND THE ZONING COMMISSION HAS STRUGGLED WITH THIS AS WELL AS STAFF AND POLICY MAKERS ALL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY HAVE STRUGGLED WITH AN EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE UBERING, PEOPLE ARE LYFT TAKING TAXIS. 
          UH, DRIVERLESS CARS ARE NOW BECOMING THE THING, PARKING WON'T BE AS MUCH OF A DEMAND IN THE FUTURE AS TODAY, BUT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE REALITY THAT WE HAVE TODAY, AND THAT IS STILL A DEMAND FOR PARKING. 
          SO WE'VE GOT, UH, SUFFICIENT PARKING WITH THE SPACES ACROSS, UH, THE STREET, WE THINK. 
          AND SO THERE'S A, A BUSINESS OWNER ACROSS THE STREET SAID, LOOK, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING TO YOUR, UH, YOUR BAR OR YOUR RESTAURANT AND PARKING AT MY PLACE. 
          THAT'S THE WORTHHAM PROPERTY. 
          SO, UH, THIS IS A MOCKUP OF A SIGN THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO PUT ON THE WORTHHAM PROPERTY SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS JUST FOR WORTHHAM. 
          IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO VINCE'S PLACE, UH, YOU'RE IN THE WRONG SPOT, YOU'RE GONNA BE TOWED. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS, AND CAN YOU PROJECT THIS FOR ME? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE, I GOT THIS, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO WORK INTO THE, UH, POWERPOINT, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          I'M GONNA SWITCH OVER REAL QUICK AND SEE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNS, UH, TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING IS LOCATED. 
          WE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW IF THEY NEED TO PARK, IF THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN THE UBER OR LYFT AND THEY NEED TO PARK AND THERE'S NOT PARKING ON SITE AT THE TIME THEY GET THERE, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GET. 
          WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING THE WRONG SPOT. 
          AND, AND VINCE IS GONNA TALK ABOUT HIS COMMUNICATIONS WITH HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          LET'S GO BACK OVER TO THE POWERPOINT. 
          THANKS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IT IN A NUTSHELL. 
          I THINK IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN IT OVER TO VINCE, TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH THE SITE, WHAT HIS CONCEPT IS, AND TALK ABOUT HIS COMMUNICATIONS WITH, UH, FOLKS NEARBY. 
          SO VINCE, YOU WANNA COME ON UP? THANKS. 
          HI, VINCE CANTU, I'M, UH, THE PROPOSED OWNER OF THIS BUSINESS ON WARFIELD. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE ON WARFIELD. 
          AND, UH, IT'S 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'S A OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDING THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE CONVERTED INSIDE TO A BAR AND GROW, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY EASY. 
          AND REALLY, IT'S NOT THE MOST DISTINGUISHING PART OF THE BUILDING, IT'S PRETTY MUCH LIKE ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE PARK. 
          UM, WHAT IS DISTINGUISHED ABOUT IT IS THE BACKYARD. 
          LIKE, UH, MR. COLUM WAS SAYING. 
          UM, AS YOU LOOK OUT THE BACKYARD, UH, AND OVERLOOK THE, UH, THE AIRPORT, YOU SEE A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY AT THE AIRPORT. 
          ALL THE ACTIVITY AT THE AIRPORT, BECAUSE IT SITS UP, SITS UP ABOUT 80 FEET HIGHER THAN THE AIRPORT. 
          SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING DOWN AT THE AIRPORT AND YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON THERE, WHETHER IT'S, UH, AIR TRAFFIC COMING OVERHEAD OR HELICOPTERS OR UH, MILITARY PLANES. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY INTERESTING AND IT'S REALLY WHAT ATTRACTED ME TO THE PROPERTY INITIALLY. 
          AND THEN ONCE I GOT OUT THERE IN THE BACKYARD AND, UH, SAW THE PLANES AND KINDA GOT USED TO THE PLANES AND THE, AND THE HELICOPTER ACTIVITY, I ALSO, UM, WAS OVERCOME BY THE, JUST THE EXPANSE RIGHT THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE, 
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YOU KNOW, WE'RE 2 81, WE'RE FOUR 10, WE'RE AIRPORT VERY URBAN, VERY, UH, STREET AND, AND, AND, UH, NOT, NOT A LOT OF SCENIC BEAUTY THERE AT THAT PART OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          BUT WHEN YOU LOOK OUT THAT, THAT BACK WAY RIGHT THERE, YOU'RE SITTING SO HIGH, YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE 10 MILES OUT TOWARDS SLO THE THE WATER TOWERS OUT THERE AND, UH, THE, THE PREVAILING BREEZE IS COMING RIGHT AT YOU. 
          SO IT'S A, EVEN ON A HUNDRED DEGREE DAY, IT ONLY FEELS, YOU KNOW, 95. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT IS TOLERABLE. 
          IT'S ALMOST BE LIKE BEING AT THE BEACH BECAUSE THE SKY IS HUGE AND THE THE VIEW IS EXPANSIVE AND THE BREEZE IS RIGHT ON YOU. 
          AND OCCASIONALLY THERE'S A PLANE THAT BUZZES OVER THE TOP, BUT IT'S REALLY A, A, A PEACEFUL PLACE OTHER THAN THE PLANES THAT THAT SOMETIMES BUZZ YOU. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, I THINK WHAT MADE IT, INSTEAD OF JUST MAYBE A POSSIBLE PLACE TO MAYBE OPEN A BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE PLANES, IT BECAME TO ME MORE OF A, I BECAME OBSESSED WITH IT BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF I, THE TRANQUILITY REALLY OF IT, IT SOUND, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'D BE A TRANQUIL PLACE BECAUSE OF THE PLANES, BUT IT REALLY IS IN BETWEEN PLANE LENNOX. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I WAS ATTRACTED TO THE BUILDING. 
          AM I SUPPOSED TO PUSH A BUTTON? YEAH, YOU COULD, YOU CAN PUSH YOU AND THEN YOU DIDN'T TRAIN ME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, SO I'M CURRENTLY A BAR AND GIRL OWNER DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, BEEN AT THE CURRENT, UH, PROPERTY BUSINESS FOR OVER 10 YEARS. 
          I'VE HAD A HANDFUL, HALF DOZEN, UH, BUSINESSES LIKE THIS OVER THE, OVER MY LIFE. 
          UH, ABOUT 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE DOING RESTAURANTS AND BAR AND GRILLS, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE BUSINESS DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, BEING A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNER, I MEAN, YOU'RE, I'M ACCUSTOMED TO HAVING TO DEAL WITH NEIGHBORS VERY CLOSE BY, UH, HAVING A BUSINESS LIKE THIS, HAVING A BAR. 
          SOMETIMES THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BAR NEXT DOOR. 
          AND I GET THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WE MAKE FOR EACH OTHER ARE, UM, SAFETY, TRASH PICKUP IN THE MORNINGS AND, AND, UH, UH, JUST, JUST GENERAL CONCERNS THAT, THAT MAYBE IN AREAS THAT WE DON'T OVERLAP. 
          UM, THE HYATT HOTEL IS NEXT DOOR TO ME NOW, AND, UH, THEIR PEAK HOURS ARE IN THE MORNING AND, AND MY PEAK HOURS ARE AT NIGHT, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY IN CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER. 
          BUT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, THEY WANT A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT. 
          THEY RUN A HOTEL, I RUN A CLEANING CREW. 
          I GET, I GET MY CLEANING CREW THERE AT SIX 30 IN THE MORNING. 
          WE CLOSE AT, YOU KNOW, WELL AFTER MIDNIGHT, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          AND, UH, I'VE GOT A CLEANING CREW THERE AT SIX 30 MAKING SURE THAT WHEN HIGH PEAK TIMES ARE HAPPENING, THAT THAT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT AND THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE WALKING INTO A PLACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE BEER BOTTLES OR STUFF THAT TRASH THAT WE MIGHT'VE MISSED FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP IN, IN PITCH DARK THAT WE MIGHT'VE MISSED. 
          SO I'M USED TO, I'M USED TO HAVING TO DEAL WITH ISSUES WITH, UH, WITH BUSINESSES, UH, NEARBY BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN SITUATION. 
          UM, THE WAY WE'VE ACCOMMODATED THAT IS THAT WE'VE JUST ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPEN LINE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US AND THE HYATT. 
          ANY OTHER, UH, BUSINESS AROUND ME, UM, IF I'VE GOT CONCERNS WITH THEM AND THERE'S A, A, A STEAKHOUSE BEHIND ME THAT PUTS OUT THEIR TRASH RIGHT AFTER DINNER, I'M THERE UNTIL TWO. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY OUT. 
          I DON'T WANT THEIR TRASH CANS IN FRONT OF MY FRONT DOOR AND I DON'T WANT 'EM THERE THE NEXT MORNING. 
          'CAUSE WE OPEN FOR LUNCH AND THEY DON'T, WE'VE TALKED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          THEY'VE PUT TO PUT THEIR CANS OVER TO THE SIDE. 
          WE ALL GET ALONG. 
          WE, WE ALL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, EACH OTHER'S, UH, ISSUES. 
          AND, UM, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT AND ALWAYS BEEN TRIED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S MY BACKGROUND IN DOWNTOWN. 
          WHAT WE'VE GOT PROPOSED THERE, UM, LIKE WHAT WAS MENTIONED IS A COCKTAIL BAR. 
          UM, CRAFT BEERS, COCKTAILS PIZZA. 
          WE ARE NOT GONNA OPEN UP FOR LUNCH. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THREE O'CLOCK, PROBABLY THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON ESTABLISHMENT. 
          SO OUR FIRST CUSTOMERS, OUR FIRST WAVE OF CUSTOMERS REALLY WON'T EVEN HAVE UNTIL AFTER WORK. 
          5, 5 30 IS NORMAL. 
          WE'LL, FIRST WE'LL ACTUALLY GET A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE ON THE, UH, ON THE PROPERTY. 
          ALL THE BUSINESSES AROUND ME, 99% OF THEM ARE EIGHT TO FIVE. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY CLEAR OUTTA THERE. 
          THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT, UH, MUCH TRAFFIC THERE AT ALL AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, SYNERGY THERE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO NOT BE IN EACH OTHER'S WAY. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IF THERE ARE ISSUES, I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. 
          THAT, UM, THAT WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, ANY KIND OF SITUATIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE OR, OR, OR PROBLEMS THEY MIGHT HAVE WITH IT. 
          UM, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR, UM, A A RELAXED NEIGHBORHOOD ATMOSPHERE, FANTASTIC VIEWS, UH, OUTDOOR PATIO AREA, SERVING DRINKS OUT THERE, VIEW OUT, OUT TOWARDS THE AIRPORT, AND, UM, JUST, UH, JUST A CHILL VIBE. 
          UM, OUTREACH. 
          YES, WE'VE, UH, WE SENT LETTERS TO ALL THE, UH, BUSINESSES AND, AND, AND LANDOWNERS AROUND US. 
          UM, GOT TO VISIT WITH A COUPLE OF THEM, ESPECIALLY THE TWO ACROSS NEXT DOOR TO ME AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME. 
          UH, TALKED TO A 
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COUPLE ON THE PHONE, SAT DOWN IN THE OFFICES OF A FEW OTHERS. 
          UM, MOST OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE A BAR NEXT DOOR AND I GET THAT. 
          UM, BUT LIKE I TOLD ALL OF THEM, I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE, UH, IF WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE AHEAD, YOU KNOW, IF EVEN IF YOU'RE AGAINST IT, UM, THE DOOR'S ALWAYS OPEN, WE'LL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT THEY, THEY THINK THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE WITH A BAR NEXT DOOR THAT THEY'RE NOT SURE ABOUT. 
          AND I GET THAT. 
          BUT WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK OUT ALL THE ISSUES. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BEING DOWNTOWN, I'M, I'M PRETTY USED TO HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES. 
          AND MOST OF THE ISSUE IS GONNA BE AROUND TRASH SAFETY, UM, THEIR, YOU KNOW, RESPECT OF EACH OTHER'S PROPERTY, JUST BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, KEEPING MY SIDE OF THE STREET CLEAN, THAT KIND OF THING, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING, UH, DOWNTOWN FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS. 
          UM, YEAH, SO, UH, TALKED TO THE, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET ABOUT, ABOUT PARKING. 
          HE WAS EXCITED ABOUT HAVING A BUSINESS LIKE MINE AROUND, UM, HE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR, FOR THE AREA, MIGHT BRING SOME ACTIVITY TO THE AREA, MIGHT BRING HELP WITH LAND VALUES IN THE AREA. 
          UM, AND, UH, HE WAS, UH, OPEN TO ALLOWING US TO PARK IN HIS, UH, IN HIS PARKING LOT BECAUSE HE IS NOT THERE AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK. 
          AND, AND WE WON'T NEED IT TILL THEN ANYWAY. 
          AND MOSTLY MOST OF THE OVERFLOW PARKING WILL HAPPEN ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT, AND THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT THERE ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN LONG GONE AND, AND, AND MOST OF 'EM DON'T EVEN OPEN ON SATURDAYS OR SUNDAYS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          UH, GIBBONS THANK. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          SO THERE ARE, UH, THREE, THREE IN PARTICULAR CONCERNS AND WHY WE ARE REALLY BRINGING THIS BACK AND I WANNA TRY TO COVER THOSE. 
          UM, THE ONE WOULD BE THE PARKING SECOND IS THE OPPOSITION, AND THE THIRD IS THE C THREE LAND USE PATTERN. 
          UM, COULD STAFF TELL ME OR STILL TELL THE COMMISSIONERS HERE HOW MUCH PARKING IS NECESSARY FOR THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A BUILDING AND IT BEING A TAVERN? I, I KNOW THE ANSWER SPECIFICALLY, BUT I'M GONNA ANSWER SPECIFIC TO PARKING. 
          UM, IT'S ONE SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET AND WE HAVE A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN DEDUCT AREAS THAT ARE STORAGE AREAS, MAYBE A BATHROOM AREA. 
          SO IT'S ULTIMATELY THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE USE ITSELF. 
          UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          I THINK CODE DOES SAY KITCHEN BATHROOMS WHATSOEVER IN THAT BUILDING. 
          DON'T QUOTE ME ON WHICH AREAS I DO KNOW FOR SURE STORAGE AREAS AREN'T, AREN'T INCLUDED IN, IN THAT, UM, RATIO, BUT IT'S JUST ULTIMATELY WHAT IS THAT GROSS FLOOR AREA DETERMINES WHAT THE PARKING IS, BUT IT'S NOT BASED ON THE ENTIRE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO TO THE CLIENT, UH, HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING THEN IS, WILL BE OCCUPIED FOR YOUR TAVERN BAR, MICROPHONE, PLEASE? UM, HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S NOT STORAGE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MUCH OF THE BUIL WELL, HOW BIG IS THE BUILDING? 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND HOW MUCH OF THE 4,000 SQUARE FEET WILL BE TAVERN BAR? WELL, WE'LL OCCUPY THE WHOLE BUILDING, BUT PROBABLY 10, 15% OF IT'S STORAGE. 
          I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS BATHROOMS AND ALL THAT, I'M NOT. 
          OKAY, SO WE'RE TALKING MAYBE ABOUT 150 SQUARE FEET, WHAT A STORAGE IS, 15 BY 15. 
          UM, WELL THERE'S, THERE'S OFFICE STORAGE AREA, THERE'S LIQUOR, BEER, STORAGE AREA, THERE'S STORAGE AREA BEHIND THE BAR. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY 700 FEET OR TO A THOUSAND FEET MAYBE. 
          WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT ANYWHERE THAT THAT ALCOHOL IS SITTING IS GOING TO BE OCCUPIED AND NOT NECESSARILY STORAGE. 
          'CAUSE IT'LL BE, IT WOULD BE BEHIND THE BAR IS VISUAL. 
          NO, NO, IT'LL BE BEHIND A WALL WHERE THERE'S A, THE WAY WE HAVE IT, WE SHOULD HAVE A PICTURE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN MAYBE, MAYBE THREE, 3,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY, BUT PROBABLY SOMETHING IN THAT AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN WE GO, THERE'S NOT STORAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE I DIDN'T DO VERY WELL IN SCHOOL. 
          SO THEN WE HAVE 3,500 SQUARE FEET TIMES, UM, ONE PARKING PER 100 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO THAT'S 35. 
          TO MAKE IT SIMPLE, IF IT'S 3,500 SQUARE FEET, IT RESULTS IN 35 SPACES. 
          I SAW. 
          IF IT'S 3,500 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND HOW MANY SPACES DO YOU HAVE AVAILABLE ON SITE? ON SITE THERE'S LIKE 15 WITHOUT KNOCKING DOWN TREES. 
          AND THE TREES WOULD BE THOSE THAT ARE IN THE BACKYARD, IN THE BACK PART PORTION OF IT? CORRECT. 
          AND ONCE THOSE TREES ARE KNOCKED DOWN, 
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AND I DON'T RECALL IF THERE'S ANY HERITAGE, THEN YOU'LL NEED TO PUT REPLACE WITH TREES OR LANDSCAPING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT SO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT PART OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, RATHER THAN NOT. 
          SO WE'RE AT 15 PARKING SPACES IF YOU USE THE ENTIRE BACKYARD. 
          SO THEN WHERE WOULD BE THE, WHERE WOULD BE THE THRILL NECESSARILY OF WATCHING PLANES COME IN? IF I'M SITTING INSIDE THE BUILDING AND I'M NO LONGER OUTSIDE BECAUSE THAT'S PARKING LOT. 
          COMMISSIONER, LET ME CORRECT YOU, IT'S 15. 
          IF WE DON'T TOUCH THE BACKYARD, WE COULD CREATE MORE SPACES IF WE PAVED THE BACKYARD. 
          WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? THERE'S 11, I THINK CURRENTLY. 
          CAN YOU, OKAY, SO WE WOULD ADD FOUR MORE WITHOUT, WITHOUT INTRUDING INTO THE BACKYARD. 
          YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, I THINK YOU SAID IT CORRECTLY. 
          I'M NOT SURE, BUT I, WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THE BACKYARD FOR PARKING. 
          THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          OKAY, SO THE, OKAY, SO THE, YOU WANNA TAKE THE LANDSCAPING NOW THAT'S LIKE HOW BIG OF A SLOPE IS THAT LIKE A SIX FOOT SLOPE AND WE'RE PULLING INTO THE ONE CUT AND PARKING AT AN ANGULAR? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? YOU'RE TAKING THIS, THAT SIX FOOT SLOPE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL PARKING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE, UH, ALL THE, ALL THE PARKING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT, OF THAT WHATEVER RENDERING IS EXISTING, I MEAN IT'S ALREADY, THAT'S PART OF THE, THE BUSINESS AS IT IS NOW. 
          I'M NOT ADD I'M NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. 
          THE ONLY THING I'M ADDING IS IN THE FRONT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, UH, ADD, ADD THE, UH, THE PARKING PLACES THAT ARE IN THE FRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT MEANS THEN WE HAVE TO DO ADDITI. 
          WE HA WE HAVE TO INQUIRE WITH THE BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STREET FOR ANY ADDITIONAL PLANNING. 
          WHICH CODE DOES ALLOW IN THIS PARTICULAR, THE INDIVIDUAL DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS WORTH THEM. 
          AND SONS IS ADAMANTLY THAT THEY DO NOT WANT PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES. 
          I SAT DOWN WITH MR. WARD, THEM AND WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN 11, 11, 11, 9, 11 IS TWO BUILDINGS DOWN. 
          IF YOU'RE, IF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE LOOKING AT THIS SITE, SO YOU'RE TWO BUILDINGS DOWN, SO PARKING WOULD HAVE TO BE A DISTANCE. 
          SO WHAT'S THE, UH, YEAH, YOU SEE THE NINE 11 THERE, RIGHT? SO HAM ACTUALLY OWNS BOTH THOSE BUILDINGS SO DOWN BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY OWNS, I THINK BOTH THOSE PROPERTIES THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          AND UH, YEAH. 
          SO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE, THAT YELLOW LINE THAT DIVIDES IT, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE LEFT INTO NINE 11, THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WON'T DO TOO MUCH MORE ON PARKING IF COMMISSIONERS COULD JUST BEAR WITH ME. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS WAS GONNA ADD ALSO THAT THERE WERE SOME OTHER, THERE ARE SOME OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE FURTHER DOWN THAT WILL, WILL ALSO, THAT HAVE ALSO BEEN OPEN TO THE IDEA OF PARKING. 
          I DON'T ONLY 1 1 9 11 AND 1 1 9 1 3, WHICH IS THE SAME OWNER. 
          BUT ON THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS, YOU HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT, WHICH ISN'T GONNA FILL YOUR 35 AND IT'S GATED ON ONE SIDE AND FENCED ON THE OTHER. 
          SO THE PARKING IN THE BACK, WHICH YOU WOULD NEED TO FILL, THE 35 SPACES WOULD BE CLOSED. 
          WELL, THE GATE WOULD BE OPEN FOR PARKING. 
          THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE THE GATE OPEN FROM 5:00 PM TO 2:00 AM THEY WILL ALLOW ME TO BE IN THE CONTROLLER OF THE, ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN 1, 1 9 1 5 IS OPPOSED TO THAT 1 1 1 9. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HAMS AGAIN? NO, THAT'S NEXT TO OKAY. 
          I, I DON'T, I I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE. 
          I, WE KNOCKED ON THEIR DOOR. 
          WE SENT 'EM AN EMAIL AND A LETTER AND WE NEVER WERE ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOING BACK TO WORDHAM AND SONS, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT OF YOURS. 
          AND, AND BY THE WAY, YOU'RE NOT THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING THAT I'M PROPOSING TO PUT THE BUSINESS IN. 
          CORRECT. 
          I'M PROPOSING TO BUY THE BUILDING. 
          ARE YOU LEASE, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO THE BUILDING? ARE YOU LEASING IT CURRENTLY? I HAVE A PURCHASE AGREEMENT TO PER TO BUY THE BUILDING. 
          ARE YOU LEASING IT RIGHT NOW? NO, NONE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THIS PREDICATED ON THE ZONING CASE? PASSING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM, AND I JUST WANNA HELP COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU ASK A DEVEL, UH, SOMEONE TO USE THEIR PARKING LOT TO ASSIST IN PARKING FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS, THERE'S QUITE A PROCESS THAT BUSINESS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO REMOVE ANY, ANY, UM, VEHICLES THAT WERE LEFT ON SITE. 
          BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY WAS INEBRIATED AND COULDN'T DRIVE HOME AND THEY LEAVE THE CAR THERE IN THAT PARKING LOT AND CODE 
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IS PRETTY SPECIFIC, THE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS HAS TO AUTHORIZE, UH, UH, ORGANIZATION HAS TO AUTHORIZE THE TOW TOWING THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE BUSINESS ORGANIZATION, TOWING VEHICLE, THE MAKE MODEL, COLOR AND LICENSE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLE, THE LOCATION FROM WHICH THE VEHICLES TO BE REMOVED. 
          AND THE CHARGE TO ME MAY BE FOR THE TOW. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A, UM, A BUSINESS PLAN OF A BAR ACROSS THE STREET THAT ISN'T FULLY VETTED OUT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING AND ASKING A BUSINESS ACROSS THE STREET WHO'S ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO IT AND SOMEWHAT BURDENING THEM WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING TO REMOVE CARS THAT WERE LEFT ON HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT PARKING. 
          SO THAT'S THAT. 
          NOW TO GO ONTO THE OPPOSITION PORTION, WE DO HAVE THOSE WHO ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE BAR ACROSS THE STREET? I CAN ONLY GUESS, BUT YOU TOLD US THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS, BUT YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE WHY THEY'RE, THEY WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THIS AT THIS TIME. 
          WELL, THEY SAY THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF PARKING, BUT WE'VE ADDRESSED PARKING JUST LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED IT WITH YOU AND Y'ALL. 
          AND YET THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE REAL REASON BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL ADAMANT THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT. 
          SO I'M GUESSING THEY JUST DON'T WANT A BAR NEXT DOOR IS WHAT I'M GUESSING. 
          BUT THEY SAY IT'S PARKING AND TRAFFIC TRAFFIC IS NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE OUR PEAK TIMES ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN THEIR PEAK TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU DID TALK TO THEM AND THEY SAID PARKING AND TRAFFIC OR YOU DIDN'T TALK PARKING AND TRAFFIC. 
          YES, BUT WE'VE ADDRESSED PARKING AND TRAFFIC. 
          SO, BUT YOU'RE STILL MENT AGAINST, YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS THE PARKING ON SITE, YOU ADDRESSED PARKING OFFSITE, OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THEN THE THIRD, UM, OPPOSITION, THE THIRD CONCERN HERE, AND THE STAFF STATED IT WAS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE TO GO TO TAKE THE EYE TO C THREE IS A FUTURE LAND USE SPECULATION THAT CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          AND THIS WILL START TO CREATE A PATTERN, WHICH IS INTERESTING THAT STAFF SAID THAT BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY PART OF THE OPPOSITION OF ALL THREE THAT SENT ME AN EMAIL AND SAID, WE DO NOT WANT TO LOSE THAT INDUSTRIAL OR THAT I COATING BECAUSE THIS WILL SET THAT TREND OR PRECEDENT. 
          THEY SAID THAT WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF STAFF. 
          HAVING SAID THAT, THEY'RE AWARE OF THAT. 
          THIS IS A, THIS IN PARTICULAR IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL I ONE EVERYWHERE. 
          SO TO STAFF, I GUESS THE PLANNER ON THIS CASE, HOW MANY OTHER I THREES OR I'M SORRY C THREES ARE THERE IN THE VICINITY OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU WILL, THAT'S THESE INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES. 
          MOST OF IT IS I ONE, THERE ARE A COUPLE PROPERTIES WHICH HAVE, UH, MAYBE ONE OR TWO, UM, THAT HAVE STARTED ZONING TO C THREE. 
          UM, THE SAN ANTONIO VICINITY AIRPORT, UH, SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT VICINITY PLAN WAS PASSED IN 2010. 
          AND THAT SORT OF ENABLES MORE PROPERTIES TO ZONE TO THAT. 
          IT DOESN'T, IT, THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE FOR MOST OF THIS INDUSTRIAL POCKET IS BUSINESS PARK AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR FUTURE ZONINGS TWO. 
          UM, THE CURRENT I ONE OR THE L AND IT ACTUALLY CALLS FOR MORE ZONING TWO, THE C THREE. 
          AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THERE THAT THERE, THERE IS A COUPLE THAT HAVE FOLLOWED THIS PATTERN, AND ADMITTEDLY IT IS A PATTERN CALLED FOUR BY THE AREA PLAN. 
          YEAH, I CAN SEE THE PATTERN ON THE OUTLYING, UH, AREAS ON A C THREE AS COMPARED TO AN I ONE. 
          WHAT IS THE ABILITY OF OUTSIDE STORAGE ON A C THREE? UH, I DO KNOW THAT GENERALLY, UM, THE I ONE, THERE'S USUALLY OUTSIDE STORAGE ALLOWED FOR THOSE USES, A C THREE. 
          ON THE C THREE, IT'S MORE LIMITED AS I RECALL. 
          USUALLY YOU HAVE TO CALL IT OUT SPECIFICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK, THIS IS A NICE MAP RIGHT HERE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE PARK ITSELF IS I ONE, UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN KNOWN AS I ONE, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE MAYBE IF YOU ZOOMED IN, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THIS, THAT A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES HAVE SPACE IN THE BACKYARD OF THESE BUILDINGS AND THEY USE IT FOR STORAGE. 
          IF THAT TREND BEGAN, THAT WOULD GO AWAY OR THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD CAUSE A HARDSHIP OVER HERE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M GONNA JUST, MAYBE STAFF CAN RECOLLECT, MAYBE NOT. 
          UH, IF WE GO UP TO RHAPSODY 
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AND WEST RHAPSODY AND WARFIELD GO UP THE STREET A LITTLE BIT, AND THERE WAS A PROPERTY THAT WAS A GABRIEL WINE AND LIQUOR STORE THAT WENT OUTTA BUSINESS AND A ZONING CASE CAME BY TO REZONE IT FOR A BAR AND GRILL AGAIN. 
          AND THAT, IN THAT CASE IN PARTICULAR NOW SWEPT OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT WAS IN THAT 200, 200 PARAMETER. 
          AND THAT DIED BECAUSE IT GOT A LOT OF OPPOSITION. 
          I, DOES ANYONE RECALL THAT? OKAY. 
          AND WOULD YOU AGREE IT DIED BECAUSE OF OPPOSITION? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT WENT TO COUNCIL. 
          IT WAS ULTIMATELY, UH, DENIED. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, ZONING IS A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS AND COUNCIL CAN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COMMISSION STAFF AS WELL AS PUBLIC INPUT. 
          AND THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION RELATED TO THAT CASE. 
          I THINK I NEED TO HELP CLARIFY THOSE STORAGE A LITTLE BIT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO, UH, WHAT IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN I ONE RELATED TO STORAGE IS ALLOWED, OUTSIDE STORAGE IS ALLOWED, HOWEVER, IT HAS TO BE UNDER ROOF AND SCREENED. 
          SO IF THERE ARE PROPERTIES OUT HERE RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE A STORAGE THAT IS NOT UNDER ROOF, IT JUST MEANS IT'S NON-CONFORMING STORAGE, WHICH TYPICALLY HAPPENS IF, UH, THIS WAS, IF THESE USES WERE IN EXISTENCE PRIOR TO ANNEXATION. 
          UH, SO THEY'RE JUST, UH, SORT OF NON-CONFORMING STORAGE PATTERNS. 
          AND, AND SO THE QUESTION IS, WAS WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE OF STORAGE WITH THE I ONE TO C THREE? UM, SO C THREE DOES NOT ALLOW OUTSIDE STORAGE UNLESS, OF COURSE, YOU'RE A CONTRACTOR FACILITY, WHICH IS ALLOWED IN C THREE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A STORAGE THAT IS ALLOWED, UH, FOR CONTRACTOR FACILITIES. 
          UH, BUT I ONE, UM, UNDER ROOF AND SCREEN IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT. 
          BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION IF THERE IS NO ROOF. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN JUST LASTLY TO THE APPLICANT OR, OR ONE OF YOU, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE, AND THEN I'LL OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, IF I TAKE, YOU MIGHT BE AWARE, 'CAUSE IF YOU GO, WELL, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF WARFIELD, SO IF YOU TAKE WARFIELD TO NACOMA, COME ON UP AROUND BY, UH, 2 81, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU COME, YOU'RE ON THE ACCESS ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA COME ACROSS A COUPLE OF HOTELS THERE, A STUDIO SIX. 
          UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPE OF CLIENTELE THAT TENDS TO HIDE OUT AT THOSE HOTELS? ? NO, I DON'T STAY AT THOSE HOTELS. 
          I THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          SORRY, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          NOT MANY OF US DO. 
          ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HOW MANY TIMES THE POLICE ARE CALLED TO THOSE HOTELS FOR THE CLIENTELE THAT SELL? SARAH? I, I HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE REPORTS. 
          BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP IF ANYONE ELSE HAS QUESTIONS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YEAH, I JUST, UM, MAYBE FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, QUESTION ON THE, ON THE PARKING SITUATION, I'M JUST MAYBE NOT FOLLOWING A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT THE PRELIMINARY PLAN IS FOR THE PARKING AND THE OPPOSITION. 
          CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE? IS THERE THE PRO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS POTENTIALLY ENTERING INTO THE PARKING AGREEMENT IS NOT IN OPPOSITION? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A LETTER AGREEMENT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER PROVIDE FOR 29 SPACES, GIVEN US A TOTAL OF 44. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN THE OPPOSITION IS COMING FROM OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THAT PARTICULAR LOT, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S IN AGREEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          JUST CLARIFYING, ARE YOU A SEVEN DAY A WEEK OPERATION OR, YES. 
          AND YOU SAID YOU WOULD START 3:00 PM TO 2:00 AM I GUESS PROBABLY 2:00 AM YES. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          I THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          SO ON THE THREE CONCERNS THAT I HAD, AGAIN, PARKING, THE OPPOSITION, UM, THREE OPPOSITIONS TO ONE, AND THE SEA LAND USE PATTERN THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED, UM, THAT THAT'S WHAT BRINGS THIS CASE BACK HERE TO DISCUSS. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT FULFILLING PARKING ON SITE. 
          IN FACT, IF HE DEVELOPS PARKING, WHICH RIGHT NOW HE ONLY HAS NINE AND HE NEEDS 35, 
          [02:10:02]
UM, I WENT PAST THE BUILDING 1, 1 9 11, AND THE BACK DOOR, THE BACKSIDE IS LOCKED WITH A GATE AND THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO YOU REALLY ONLY HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT. 
          THAT'S A VERY ODD, THAT'S A VERY ODD RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH A PARKING THAT'S REALLY CATTY CORNER. 
          IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS. 
          AND THEN TO BURDEN WORTHHAM AND SONS WITH POTENTIAL PEOPLE WHO WILL PARK THERE, NOT REALLY READING THE SIGN AND MAYBE LEAVING THEIR CAR, THEIR CAR, I CAN'T AGREE TO THIS TYPE OF A ZONING CHANGE FOR THE LAND, FOR THE USE THAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHICH IS A BAR TAVERN, WHICH IS OPEN TILL 2:00 AM WHICH ONLY IN MY OPINION, COULD DRAW THE WRONG CLIENTELE INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS PARK, IT'S VERY, A LOT OF THESE ARE OWNED BY THE OWNERS. 
          THE BUSINESS OWNERS THEMSELVES, THEY WORK THERE. 
          THEY, THEY OWN THE BUILDING. 
          THEY ARE SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          THEY, UM, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO IMPEDE ON THEM WITH DRAWING IN CLIENTELE WITH POTENTIAL CRIME USE AS WELL. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG FACTOR. 
          IT'S ALWAYS A BIG FACTOR FOR ME ANYWAYS. 
          UM, SO BASED ON THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK WE FULFILLED, WE REALLY KIND OF ANSWERED A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS OF PARKING. 
          IT'S VERY FUNKY. 
          UM, THE LAND USE TREND, WE DON'T WANNA GO THERE, AND A LOT OF THESE BUSINESS DO NOT WANNA GO THERE. 
          AND THEY'LL PROBABLY OPPOSE THAT DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL. 
          THEN I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR DENIAL. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? IF THERE'S NO SECOND, WHAT DO, OKAY. 
          PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE, PLEASE. 
          IF THERE'S NO SECOND MOTION FAILS. 
          SO NEW MOTION. 
          OKAY, WELL, THE MOTION FAILS. 
          SO THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. 
          I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          SECOND, UM, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          UM, I, I TOO KNOW THIS INDUSTRIAL PARK OVER THERE, AND WHILE I WISH WE COULD STAY WITH THE ACTUAL ZONING, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE USE DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT THAT. 
          SO I CAN CC THREE THERE. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY OR THE BUSINESS OWNERS NEAR THAT AREA. 
          HOWEVER, I JUST FIND THAT THAT OUT OF ANY PLACE THAT WE TALK ABOUT PUTTING IN A BARN TAVERN IS PROBABLY THE MOST SUITED PLACE BECAUSE THERE REALLY AREN'T ANY FAMILIES IN THE AREA THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPACTED. 
          UH, THERE ARE WIDE STREETS DOWN THAT HIGHWAY OR THAT ROADWAY DOWN THERE. 
          I'M, UH, PROBABLY ENVISIONING THAT THERE WILL BE CARS PARKING ON THE STREET AND IN PARKING LOTS. 
          THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS CAN MAYBE ERECT THE SIGNS THAT YOU WERE OFFERING TO PUT UP TO HELP WITH THAT. 
          UM, I, I DON'T FIND ANY ISSUE OR ANY REASONS THAT WOULD MAKE ME OPPOSE THIS. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I'M GONNA OPPOSE THAT AS WELL. 
          THESE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEY ARE FAMILY OWNED AND THEY DO HAVE FAMILIES. 
          THERE YOU ARE WITH IN 400 FEET OF A VERY LARGE SUBDIVISION NEXT TO IT. 
          THEY GREATLY OPPOSE THE LAST ONE THAT WANTED TO COME IN, AND THEY WOULD OPPOSE THIS ONE AS WELL. 
          YOU'RE INTRODUCING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT FRAME OF BUSINESS INTO WHAT CLOSES DOWN AT 5:00 PM IF THIS, IF THIS BUSINESS, WHICH HE REALLY KIND OF, IF YOU GO DOWN TO HIS OTHER BAR, MOSES ROSES, WHICH IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THOSE DIVE BARS, AND WE HAVE ONE IN THIS AREA, IT DOES GET CRIME RIDDEN. 
          WE'VE HAD GUNSHOTS, WE'VE HAD POLICE CALLED OUT FOR ALL KINDS OF OTHER REASONS. 
          I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA. 
          HE COULD GO DOWN THE STREET TO EMBASSY ROW WHERE ALL THE BARS REALLY KIND OF HANG OUT ONE AFTER THE OTHER FROM FIVE TILL 2:00 AM THERE'S, UH, SECURITY THERE, THERE'S LIGHTING THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING THERE. 
          PEOPLE CAN, CAN LEAVE THEIR CAR THERE OVERNIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHERE A BAR AND A TAVERN SHOULD BE, WHERE IT'S MORE ACCOMMODATED. 
          THIS IS NOT AN ACCOMMODATED SPOT FOR A BAR. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER BUS. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          UM, THE REASON I MOVED FOR APPROVAL, I THINK IS, ALTHOUGH, I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          , UM, IS, UH, 
          [02:15:01]
CERTAINLY IN LINE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL'S COMMENTS. 
          I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT A SPACE FOR THIS KIND OF USE THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE, YOU KNOW, ONE POINT DOES NOT A PATTERN MAKE. 
          AND SO EVEN THOUGH THIS IS BECOMING C THREE, GIVEN THOSE SORT OF QUIRKS OF DEFINITION OF BAR TAVERN, UH, REGARDING REVENUE, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE BY MY CALCULATION OFF THIS MAP. 
          I'M NOT SEEING THE CLOSEST R SIX WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET. 
          UM, JUST LOOKING AT THE G I S MAP SCALE, UM, CERTAINLY I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU VERY STRONGLY, UH, TO BE COGNIZANT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE OPPOSED, LIKE WORTHHAM AND SON, AND WORK WITH THEM AND WORK WITH YOUR CUSTOMERS TO ENSURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS. I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO DO SO. 
          UH, BUT, UH, I'M THE KIND OF CLIENTELE THAT WOULD COME TO THIS PLACE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY I'LL GO COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE AND I SECOND, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMMENTS ON THIS. 
          UM, I ALSO WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEONE WHO MIGHT GO TO THAT BAR. 
          I, I'VE ALSO BEEN TO MOSES ROSES, SO NOT EVERYONE WHO GOES TO MOSES ROSES COMMITS CRIMES ALL THE WAY. 
          I'M A LAWYER, SO WHO KNOWS?  . 
          JUST KIDDING Y'ALL. 
          UM, SO IT, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, AND THAT'S ALL SAID TONGUE IN CHEEK, RIGHT? SO, SO ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I SEE THIS AS BEING NOT ONE, THE REASON I SEE THIS AS NOT BEING A NEGATIVE CHANGE IS BECAUSE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, PLAN. 
          BECAUSE C THREE IS ALLOWED IN OUR FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHEREAS ITS CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION IS NOT. 
          AND THAT IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT CITY COUNCIL MUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS THE SUITABILITY AS IT'S PRESENTLY ZONED, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? AND HERE, I THINK IT'S NOT GIVEN OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, SO IT'S ALSO NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MAIN REASON, UM, THAT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, MUCH LIKE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL SAID A BAR IN AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT OPERATING DURING THE HOURS, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF PEOPLE WERE THERE DRINKING AT MAYBE EVEN AT LUNCHTIME. 
          THAT MIGHT EVEN BE MORE OF A CONCERN. 
          UM, BUT YOU DON'T, IT'S NOT NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU'VE GOT A BAR THAT'S OPERATING TILL TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND YOU'VE GOT A FAMILY NEXT DOOR WHO'S TRYING TO SLEEP AND, AND ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY. 
          PEACEFUL. 
          YOU HAVE A BUSINESS WHICH, YES, THESE MIGHT BE FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES, BUT MOST FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES ARE NOT GONNA BE OPEN EVEN AT NINE OR 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          SO THESE, THE, THE HOUR, THE HOUR DISPARITY OR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE, I THINK MAKES IT A CONDUCIVE LOCATION FOR A BAR. 
          UM, OR A RESTAURANT. 
          OR A RESTAURANT THAT JUST HAS TOO MANY SALES OF ALCOHOL TO REALLY BE A RESTAURANT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS, IS WHAT THE INTENTION HERE IS. 
          SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'LL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MADAM CHAIR, LET ME HAVE ONE MORE STATEMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, DISCUSSING HAVING A BAR AND A TAVERN, UM, TO ME THAT IT'S LIKE TOP OF THE LIST. 
          I HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING AROUND IT. 
          WHILE YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S PEACEFUL AT 2:00 AM THAT'S WHEN CRIME HAPPENS. 
          AND THERE IS A COMMUNITY NEXT DOOR. 
          IT'S, YOU COULD RIDE A BIKE TO THIS. 
          THIS IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO GET TO. 
          YOU COULD WALK TO THE, THEY WERE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THE ONE ON, ON THE, THEY DIDN'T GET NOTICED 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T IN THE 200. 
          IF THEY HAD BEEN NOTICED, THEY WOULD ALL BE SITTING OUT FRONT HERE, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY QUIET BUSINESS PARK FOR THE, IN, FOR THESE FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES. 
          AGAIN, A BAR SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF SECURITY, A LOT OF LIGHTING, A LOT OF PARKING, A LOT OF ABILITY TO MEET THE CLIENTELE THAT PROBABLY WALKS A LITTLE MORE INEBRIATED AFTERWARDS, AND THAT'S WHY I'M OPPOSED TO IT. 
          BUT Y'ALL DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          OOPS. 
          SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUI. 
          AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          [5. 19-8424 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700082 (Council District 10): A request for
a change in zoning from “C-2 AHOD” Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District, “C-2 MC-3 AHOD” Commercial Austin Highway Corridor Overlay Airport Hazard Overlay District, and “C-3 NA MC-3 AHOD” General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Austin Highway Corridor Overlay Airport Hazard Overlay District to “C-3 MC-3 AHOD” General Commercial Austin Highway Corridor Overlay Airport Hazard Overlay District and “C-3 AHOD” General Commercial Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 36, Block A, NCB 8695, located at 1315 Austin Highway. Staff recommends Denial. (Associciated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600072) (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
          [02:20:18]
ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MARCO MAVI PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS LOCATED AT 1315 AUSTIN HIGHWAY 22. 
          NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT. 
          ONE IN FAVOR, UH, ZERO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM THE WILL SHOWER VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED LAND USE OF REGIONAL COMMERCIAL IS USUALLY SUITABLE WITHIN TWO MAJOR ARTERIALS AND USUALLY OVER 20 ACRES. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS IT NOW AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? JOSE GOMEZ? SEVEN COTSWOLD LANE 7 8 2 5 7. 
          UH, CAN WE ASK THOUGH, WAS THERE A, WAS IT, WAS IT A DENIAL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF C TWO? UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT THE C TWO. 
          UH, WE, IT WAS, WELL NOT IN A STAFF REPORT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CAN GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE LANDOWNER ALSO OWNS THE CORNER, UH, LOT AT 1307 AUSTIN HIGHWAY, WHICH IS OWNED C THREE IN JANUARY. 
          WE, UH, SUBMITTED A SUBDIVISION PLAT TO COM, COMBINE THE TWO LOTS, AND THAT'S WHEN THIS PROCESS STARTED. 
          AND WE CAME IN ASKING FOR C THREE TO HAVE ONE CORNER LOT, UM, WITH THE POTENTIAL OF CAR WASH, GAS SALES, CONVENIENCE STORE, OR LIKE THE GENTLEMAN JUST BEFORE US, A, A RESTAURANT THAT HAS ALCOHOL SALES MORE THAN 30%, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          UM, OR WELL, WELL STEP BACK. 
          UH, CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, CURRENT PLANS HAVE CHANGED. 
          SO THE EXISTING, UH, USE AT 1315 AUSTIN HIGHWAY IS A GOODYEAR STORE, WHICH IS IN OPERATION RIGHT NOW. 
          AND IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA REMAIN, THE CORNER PROPERTY IS A OLD TRANSMISSION SHOP, WHICH WILL, WHICH IS VACANT OR UNOCCUPIED I LEARNED TODAY. 
          AND, AND, UH, ONCE A NEW TENANT IS, IS FOUND, THE OWNER WAS PUT A FEW DOLLARS IN IT TO RENOVATE IT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING LIKE FIVE TO 10 YEARS, THEY'LL PROBABLY COME BACK AND WANT TO COMBINE THE TWO. 
          UM, WE'VE TALKED TO THE TERRELL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEY WERE NOT OPPOSED TO THE CHANGE. 
          UM, HAD ANOTHER POINT. 
          I'LL LET MR. DUGGAR, THE LANDOWNER SAY HIS PIECE. 
          AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS WILLIAM DUGGAR. 
          UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE 1985. 
          I'VE BEEN MANAGING IT, UM, BASICALLY MY WHOLE ADULT LIFE AND PICKING UP TRASH SINCE I WAS FIVE. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, SO WE WERE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TYING THE WHOLE PROPERTY TOGETHER AND YOU SEE, YOU SEE LIKE THE PIGPEN, YOU SEE THE COVE AND YOU SEE THESE. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO OPEN UP THE, THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BRING IN A, UM, A POTENTIAL USER IN, IN THAT SORT. 
          UM, WE HAD C V S THAT WAS INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE SITE AND IT JUST WASN'T BIG ENOUGH FOR THEM. 
          SO WE KIND OF HAVE HAD TO BACKTRACK, UM, FROM THERE. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO SELL THE PROPERTY AT ANY POINT IN TIME. 
          UH, WE WERE LONG-TERM HOLDERS. 
          WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO, UH, ACQUIRE 1307. 
          IT TOOK US SEVEN YEARS TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT WOULDN'T REALLY MAKE FINANCIAL SENSE, UM, FOR LIKE A STRIP CLUB OR, OR LIKE JUST A RUN OF THE MILL BAR TO GO INTO THIS PROPERTY. 
          IF WE, WE REDEVELOPED THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE A VERY VALUABLE PROPERTY. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT $15,000 A MONTH IN RENT PLUS TRIPLE, TRIPLE NET. 
          UM, AND EVEN IF WE SOLD THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD SELL FOR A BIG PRICE AND THERE WOULD BE A REALLY HIGH, UM, RENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK VERY, IT'S VERY RARE THAT YOU SEE LIKE A STRIP CLUB OR, YOU KNOW, A BAR PAY SUPER HIGH RENTS. 
          UM, BUT WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, YOU KNOW, C TWO RECOMMENDATION AND THEN GO FROM THERE IN THE FUTURE. 
          'CAUSE AT, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE WILL PROBABLY, 
          [02:25:01]
UM, IMPROVE THE 1307 LOCATION, UM, AND HOPEFULLY PUT A GOOD BUSINESS IN THERE. 
          UH, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE AREA AND DRUG USE AND, UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          UM, WE'VE NOTICED, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE, THE, THE LANDOWNERS IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, THEIR MAIN CONCERN IS THE, THE HOMELESS PEOPLE. 
          SO, UM, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND, AND DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY TO ITS GREATEST USE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          UM, I WILL OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH MY, UM, COLLEAGUES. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE ANY QUESTION? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          SO, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A DOWN ZONING IF WE WERE TO ACCEPT THE C TWO AND JUST REMOVAL OF THE NA, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT A SUCCINCT DESCRIPTION? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND, AND THE POINT I WAS GONNA MAKE EARLIER WAS WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED IN, IN DEPTH WITH THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, AND I THINK IN, IN THEORY, THEY WOULD BE, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF A C THREE ZONING IF WE HAD A SPECIFIC USE, IF WE WERE GONNA SAY, HEY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS HERE NOW, UM, COMING IN WITH THE BLANKET C THREE OPENS UP, OPENS UP, UH, THE BOOKS AND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS ON MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? THE ONLY THING THAT POSES A QUESTION FOR ME IS THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE NA AND JUST LIKE OPENING IT UP AND LEAVING THE C THREE THERE RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR ME. 
          IT ALSO POSES A CONCERN, UM, HOWEVER, AS THE DISTRICT 10, UH, COMMISSIONER IS NOT PRESENT TODAY, AND I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY WORK FROM THAT OFFICE, UM, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUE THE QUESTION, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE HAPPY WITH THE C TWO IN A PREFER THE C TWO? UM, OKAY THEN I GUESS I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, WITH THE AGREED UPON CHANGE TO C TWO AND STAFF IS OKAY WITH C TWO, IS THAT CORRECT? WE JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT HE AMENDED OFFICIALLY FOR THE PODIUM. 
          OKAY. 
          COULD YOU PLEASE DO THAT? CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT, SIR? YOU'RE JUST SAYING YOU'RE AMENDING YOUR REQUEST TO C TWO. 
          WE ARE AMENDING OUR REQUEST TO ZONING CHANGE TO C TWO. 
          YES, CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT NOW STATED, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM FIVE AS AMENDED TO C TWO. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL WITH THE AMENDMENT TO C TWO. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS ABSTAIN. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          THANK COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTA. 
          AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          [9. 19-8559 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700242 CD (Council District 5): A request
for a change in zoning from “C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD” Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to “C-2 CD MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD” Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for Auto and Light Truck Repair on Lot 12, Block 7, NCB 2358, located at 2520 Monterey Street and 312 South Zarzamora Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
ALL RIGHT. 
          AVI PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          ITEM NUMBER NINE IS ON 25 20 MONTEREY AND THREE 12 ALMORA. 
          20 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT PROPERTY OWNERS ONE IN FAVOR FOR OPPOSED HISTORIC WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE FROM THE PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND ONE ADDITIONAL OPPOSED FROM OUTSIDE 200 FEET. 
          UH, STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
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UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONDITIONS AS FOLLOWS, ONE HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM SATURDAY, 8:00 AM TO 3:00 PM ENCLOS ON SUNDAYS, NO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, BANNERS, WAIVERS, OR PENANCE AND PROPERTY AND NO AMPLIFIED SOUNDS OR SPEAKERS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JOSE GALLEGOS. 
          MY ADDRESS IS TWO 14 WEST ACADEMY, UH, LIFELONG RESIDENT OF DISTRICT FIVE. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL, UH, THANK AND RECOGNIZE STAFF FOR THE COOPERATION AND ASSISTANCE IN THE PROCESS OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          UH, WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING TO OPERATE A, UH, MINOR AUTO REPAIR AND TRUCK, UH, SHOP THERE. 
          IN ADDITION TO AUTO SALES. 
          IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, C TWO AND WE'RE ASKING FOR CONDITIONAL USE. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FOR MIXED USE. 
          UH, THIS PROPERTY, UH, WAS A VACANT PROPERTY. 
          PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS, UH, A BAR FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          AND, UH, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS, UH, AND ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED EARLIER IN THE PREVIOUS CASE WERE, UH, THE SUBJECT OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          UH, LUCKILY, UH, THE BUSINESS CLOSED AND THEN IT BECAME DORMANT AND IT WAS VACANT, UH, FOR OVER 15 YEARS. 
          UH, THE CURRENT, UH, LEASES MADE CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT. 
          THIS IS A FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS. 
          THEY'VE, UH, REFURBISHED THE BUILDING, UH, PAINTED THE OUTSIDE, AND THEY'VE MAINTAINED THE PROPERTY. 
          AT ONE TIME THERE WAS CONCERN BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, THE HOMELESSNESS AND, UH, UH, HOMELESS PEOPLE WERE COMING IN AND, AND, UH, HAVING ACCESS TO THE BUILDING, UH, PRIOR TO IT BEING SECURED. 
          AND EVEN AFTER IT WAS SECURED, WE WERE STILL HAVING, UH, PEOPLE SLEEP IN THE PROPERTY AND SO FORTH. 
          UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, NOT TAKEN AWAY FROM THE INTEGRITY, UH, OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          THERE IS, UH, MULTIPLE, UH, CAR SALES. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A BANK COMMUNITY BANK. 
          SO THIS, UH, PROPOSED USE IS IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. 
          UH, IT WOULD NOT BE A DETERRENT, UH, OR COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF THE SURROUNDING, UH, COMMUNITY AND IS IN KEEPING WITH THE CURRENT ZONING IN THE AREA. 
          UH, AND, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, I THINK AN IMPROVEMENT. 
          WE HAVE, UH, MET WITH, UM, THE, UH, UH, WEST SIDE HISTORIC, UH, REPRESENTATIVES. 
          I WOULD'VE, UH, WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THE ENTIRE, UH, BODY. 
          UH, WE INTEND TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THE CONDITIONS IMPOSED BY STAFF. 
          I THINK THAT THEY'RE VERY REASONABLE. 
          UH, THIS IS GONNA BE, AGAIN, A MOM AND POP OPERATION AND DOING BUSINESS DURING BUSINESS HOURS. 
          UH, WE DON'T INTEND TO HAVE, UH, UH, LOUD NOISE OR ANY EXTRAVAGANT SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, RESPECTFULLY, UH, REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF OUR APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, WE HAVE SEVERAL. 
          THERE IS CHARLIE LOPEZ, FOLLOWED BY ROLAND MAZUA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS CHARLIE LOPEZ. 
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UH, ME AND MY WIFE RUBY REESE IS CURRENTLY, WHO'S NOT HERE. 
          WE CURRENTLY PURCHASED A HOUSE, TWO, TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM THERE. 
          25, UH, 10 MONTEREY STREET. 
          AND, UM, LET'S SEE, HAD LITTLE THING. 
          UM, SHE IS A OUR LADY OF THE LAKE ALUMNI WITH HER MASTER DEGREE IN SOCIAL WORKER. 
          AND I'M A JOURNEYMAN WIREMAN WITH THE I B E W. 
          WE ARE BOTH RAISED IN THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO AND DECIDED TO STAY AND INVEST IN THE WEST SIDE BY PURCHASING A HOME. 
          WE ARE BOTH AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGE ON 25 20 MONTEREY STREET TO ALLOW AUTO REPAIR BECAUSE DOES THE WEST SIDE REALLY NEED ANOTHER TIRE SHOP, AUTO REPAIR PLACE? BUT HERE'S SOME OTHER KEY POINTS. 
          WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS, THERE IS NINE AUTO REPAIR TIRE SHOPS. 
          IT WILL ATTRACT UNWANTED PEOPLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH POTENTIAL AND SPIKE A CRIME BEING COMMITTED THEFT DRUG RELATED AS DOWNTOWN GROWS. 
          IS THIS THE MESSAGE WE WANT TO SEND TO FUTURE INVESTORS AT THE WEST SIDE? IS STAYING WITHIN ITS NORM AND DOES NOT WANT TO CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          IMPACT OIL SPILLS, GREASE BUILDUP, TIRES, PILING UP TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A HUGE PROBLEM IN THAT AREA WITH THE BANK AND THE DENTAL AND PEOPLE USING MONTE DAY STREET AS A SHORTCUT. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ROLAND MAZUA, FOLLOWED BY LINDA ORTEGA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS ROLAND MAZUA. 
          I LIVE AT 25 11 MONTE STREET, AND I RECEIVED NOTICE OF THIS ZONE CHANGE BECAUSE I'M WITHIN 200 FEET OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHANGE REQUESTED IS FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR THE REPAIR OF CARS AND TRUCKS. 
          I'M OPPOSED TO SUCH A CHANGE BECAUSE ONE, IT'LL INCREASE TRAFFIC ON AN ALREADY BUSY INTERSECTION. 
          THERE'S A BANK ACROSS THE STREET AND PEOPLE PARK UP AND DOWN THE STREET ALREADY BECAUSE OF THE BANK DURING CERTAIN TIMES, MORNINGS, SATURDAYS, IT'S REALLY BUSY. 
          UH, IT'LL INCREASE THE NOISE LEVEL AND TRASH ACCUMULATE ACCUMULATION FOR THOSE LIVING CLOSE BY. 
          I PICK UP TRASH ALL THE TIME. 
          THERE'S A CHURCH'S FRIED CHICKEN ACROSS THE WAY. 
          THERE'S PACKAGES FROM THAT BILL MILLER'S PACKAGES, YOU KNOW, EVERY FAST FOOD PLACE IS AROUND THERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S HORRIBLE. 
          UH, IT'LL LOWER THE PROPERTY VALUE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS. 
          AND LASTLY, IT'LL JUST LOOK BAD NO MATTER HOW YOU DRESS IT UP. 
          IT STILL LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER WEST SIDE AUTO REPAIR SHOP. 
          ONE ONLY NEEDS TO LOOK UP THE STREET AT THE BLOCKS ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH SMO BETWEEN PETTIS AND RU STREET. 
          TO SEE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT REALLY LOOKS TERRIBLE. 
          I WISH I HAD TAKEN THE TIME TO MAKE A POWERPOINT TO BRING SOME OF THE PICTURES, BUT THE, UM, TRUST ME, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. 
          THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ALTHOUGH THERE ARE MANY RENTAL PROPERTIES WITHIN THE 200 SQUARE, 200 FEET AREA, THE OTHER OWNER HOMEOWNERS WHO RESIDE, DO NOT WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO FURTHER DEGRADE. 
          AND I AM A TRUE HOMEBOY. 
          I WAS BORN ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE. 
          IT IS A REALLY SOUND HOUSE. 
          IT HAS A FULL BASEMENT, PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY HOUSES IN THE WEST SIDE THAT HAS A FULL BASEMENT. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIGHT LINES, THE COURSE LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROOF LINES, THEY'RE STRAIGHT AS A NARROW. 
          IT PROBABLY GOES DOWN TO BEDROCK OR CLOSE TO BEDROCK. 
          SO IT WOULD MAKE A REALLY NICE OTHER KIND OF BUSINESS. 
          LAWYER COULD BE THERE. 
          THERE'S A, UH, ONE BLOCK DOWN AT THE CORNER IS A INSURANCE COMPANY. 
          THE HOUSE IS FIXED UP. 
          IT LOOKS GREAT, GOT ALL THESE SIGNS ON IT, BUT THE HOUSE LOOKS GREAT AND THEY SELL INSURANCE THERE. 
          UH, IF YOU GO UP SMO AND DOWN SARATA, THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES OF REALTORS WHO FIXED UP HOUSES AT THE CORNER AND ARE DOING BUSINESS OUT OF THEM. 
          I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING, COMING OUT OF MY HOUSE AND SEEING ALL THESE CARS IN VARIOUS STATES OF DISREPAIR, UH, AND REPAIR. 
          AND I, I WORKED IN ALAMO HEIGHTS FOR A LONG TIME AND I WENT TO KEN'S AUTO SHOP AND I STILL DO BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT. 
          WHEN I WORKED THERE, THEY WOULD PICK ME UP, TAKE ME BACK, PICK UP MY CAR, AND IT WAS ALL DONE. 
          BUT I STILL GO THERE BECAUSE I LIKED THE PEOPLE. 
          BUT THAT'S ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM THE MCNAY ART MUSEUM. 
          AND IT IS, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT IN THIS NICE NEIGHBORHOOD, 30 SECONDS, IT'S 30 SECONDS. 
          IT STILL IS PACKED WITH CARS. 
          AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I DO NOT WANNA SEE EVERY MORNING WHEN I GET UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LINDA ORTEGA FOLLOWED BY IRMA HOFFMAN. 
          MY NAME IS LINDA ORTEGA AND I LIVE AT 25 0 5 
          [02:40:01]
SAUNDERS. 
          AND I RECEIVED A LETTER BECAUSE I AM WITHIN THE AREA, I AM ALSO POSTING IT. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE AREA IS VERY SMALL. 
          IT'S NOT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA PUT CARS IN THERE. 
          THAT'S ONE. 
          THE OTHER, THE OTHER IS THE TRAFFIC. 
          THE TRAFFIC. 
          MONTEREY DOES NOT HAVE STOP SIGNS, SO YOU CAN IMAGINE GOING UP AND DOWN. 
          UM, AND IT'S JUST NOT WHAT WE WANT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS TRYING TO BECOME MR. LOPEZ IS, IS TRYING TO CREATE A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THIS IS PART OF THE PROSPECT HILL. 
          THIS IS PART OF AN AREA WHERE A LOT OF OUR, OUR CITY, UH, ALUMNIS AND PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAVE LIVED THERE. 
          UH, AND THIS IS JUST NOT WHAT WE WANT. 
          IN FACT, THERE'S A HOUSE IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE LOT ITSELF THAT'S BRIGHT ORANGE. 
          HOWEVER, IT'S A HISTORIC HOUSE AS ALL OUR HOUSES ARE. 
          MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1936. 
          WE HAVE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THE AREA. 
          WE HAVE TRIED REAL HARD. 
          AND YES, THERE ARE SOME, UM, RENTERS, BUT STILL WE TRY TO MAINTAIN OUR AREA. 
          WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN AND WE JUST DO NOT, I DO NOT BELIEVE. 
          AND THE OPPOSITION IS ALSO MAKES IT CLEAR. 
          WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF MR. MAZUA POINTED OUT THERE'S SOME, A LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PUT A REPAIR SHOP ON A BUSY STREET AT SARZA MOORE AND MONTEREY? I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 
          YOU CAN GET IN ON SARZA MORRA, SO I DON'T KNOW, KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN THE CARS, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE NOT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT, UM, IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND WE JUST DO NOT FEEL IT'S, IT'S PART OF WHO WE ARE IN THE SAUNDERS AND MONTEREY AREA. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IRMA HOFFMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS NMA HOFFMAN AND, UH, FROM THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION. 
          AND, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. GALLEGOS, WHO'S A FINE GENTLEMAN. 
          WE DID MEET WITH HIM AND, UH, UH, MS. GARCIA, UH, AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF, UH, OF THIS. 
          UM, AND THEN LATER ON AS WE, UH, SPOKE, MS. GARCIA ALSO DID MENTION THAT SHE WOULD CONSIDER, UH, A BEAUTY SALON, WHICH WE THOUGHT WOULD BE MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          OR, UH, EVEN A A FLORIST, YOU KNOW, A A FLORAL SHOP OR, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BLEND IN NICER. 
          UM, WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THERE ARE NO BUFFER ZONES. 
          UH, THAT THERE'S EXTREMELY LIMITED PARKING IN THE BACK. 
          UM, AND IT'S A HOME. 
          IT'S NOT A REPAIR SHOP. 
          SO, UM, UH, HISTORIC WEST SIDE IS RESPECTFULLY OPPOSING THIS, UH, WITH AN OPEN DOOR TO SAY, IF YOU WOULD CON CONSIDER SOMETHING ELSE, IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER A FLORAL SHOP OR A, A JEWELRY SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BLEND IN NICELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE WOULD, UM, BE MORE AMENABLE TO THAT. 
          UM, SO, UM, THAT'S THE WHOLE, UH, GIST OF IT. 
          IT IS NOT, UH, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE AN AUTO SHOP. 
          UM, AND IT IS, UH, IT COULD BE TRANSFORMED INTO SOMETHING REALLY MORE BEAUTIFUL. 
          SO, HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESPECTFULLY OPPOSES THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THAT THE LAST PERSON? YES. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          YES, YOU CAN HAVE TIME FOR REBUTTAL. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN. 
          UH, AND CERTAINLY WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA, UH, I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          IN TERMS OF LAND USE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UH, WE ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CALLS FOR, UH, MIXED USE BUSINESS. 
          OKAY? UH, THIS IS RE STREET, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL FAIR FARE. 
          [02:45:02]
IT'S NOT AN INTRUSION INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, YOU HAVE, UH, AUTO SALES, YOU HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE A MISREPRESENTATION TO SAY THAT THIS WAS A RESIDENCE. 
          THIS HAS BEEN ZONED C TWO FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AS IS MANY. 
          IF THEY WILL, UH, PULL UP THE SURROUNDING ZONING MAP. 
          UH, YOU HAVE Z TWO IN THE AREA. 
          THIS WAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. 
          IT WAS VACANT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          AND ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND THE PASSION OF THE RESIDENTS, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE BEST USE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION IS UNDER. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT AS FAR AS, UH, TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND BEING IN COMPLIANCE, UH, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO, UH, THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. 
          I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT STAFF DID REVIEW IT, UH, DID DISCUSS IT, AND IN FACT IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CHANGE IN ZONING. 
          UH, AS FAR AS A BUFFER IS CONCERNED, THERE IS A VACANT LOT DIRECTLY EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          AND WE'RE EVEN, UH, IN FAVOR OR IN SUPPORT OF PUTTING A PRIVACY FENCE THAT WOULD ABUT, UH, THE FIRST RESIDENCE JUST DUE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH INCIDENTALLY IS OWNED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE WANTING TO, UH, NOT OPPOSED TO, UM, UH, THE RESIDENTS WANTING TO, UH, HAVE A COMMUNITY, A SAFE COMMUNITY, BUT TO, UH, TO STATE THAT THIS BUSINESS, AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP OR AUTO SALES IS GOING TO INVITE CRIME, UH, AND DELINQUENCY TO A BUSINESS, I THINK IS A LITTLE TOO, UH, FAR REACHING. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT AS WELL THAT THE PROSPER HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH IS IN SUPPORT, UH, OF THIS, UH, APPLICATION. 
          SO AGAIN, I RESPECTFULLY, UH, REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, MR. GALLEGOS, IF WE COULD PULL UP THE SITE MAP ON THIS. 
          SO I'M HAVING A LITTLE TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAN IS HERE FOR AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP, GIVEN THIS SITE MAP. 
          SO I SEE PARKING AREA ON, ON THIS SMOS SMO, UH, SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          BUT WHERE IS THE REPAIR GOING TO OCCUR? THE REPAIR IS GOING TO, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, OCCUR. 
          AND THIS IS GONNA BE MINOR, UH, MINOR AUTO REPAIR, SIR, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE, UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIFTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, THE REPAIR IS GOING TO, UH, OCCUR, UH, IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHERE THAT PARKING AREA IS, OR, UH, RIGHT HERE IN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE 10, UH, IT'S, UH, 10 FEET THERE. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS IS A MOM AND POP OPERATION, SIR, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A, UH, UH, A MASTER LUBE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IS THIS GONNA BE RUN BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OR ARE THEY LEASING THE PROPERTY? OH, THE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS LEASING, UH, THE PROPERTY TO MR. AND MRS. GARCIA. 
          UH, THE LADY, UH, SHE IS, UH, ONE TIME INCIDENTALLY BY MAY. 
          UH, THE, THE PROPERTY IS, IS GOING TO BE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE OUT OF THE SAR MOURA SIDE AT ONE TIME. 
          UH, MRS. GARCIA WAS THINKING, UH, OF POSSIBLY, UH, DOING A COMBINATION OF A, UH, UH, OF A HAIR SALON OR A BEAUTY SALON, UH, ON THE MONTEREY SIDE, AGAIN, IN KEEPING WITH RESIDENTS, NOT TRYING TO INTRUDE INTO THE RESIDENTS, BUT, UH, IT IS GOING TO BE, UH, BY LISA, MR. AND MR. GARCIA WHO MADE CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT OF THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY. 
          UH, THIS IS A WORKING FAMILY AND THEY LIVE 
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INCIDENTALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. 
          MS. GARCIA MET WITH, UH, A COUPLE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE, UH, FROM THE WEST SIDE GROUP. 
          NOW I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS NOT IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'D BE AGAIN, TO, TO, TO SAY THAT IT IS A WEST SIDE OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ALUM MISREPRESENTATION OF THE FACTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BEING IN SUPPORT. 
          DID WE RECEIVE ANY INDICATION OF THAT? THE APPLICANT INFORMED ME THAT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT, BUT I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING. 
          UM, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          I'LL OPEN UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AGAIN, PLEASE. 
          AND THIS IS FOLLOWING UP, MA'AM, ON YES, MA'AM. 
          UH, MY COLLEAGUES QUESTIONS. 
          I, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS WORK IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE. 
          YOU HAVE 5, 6 5 PARKING SPACES? CORRECT. 
          SO, AND THEN YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE AUTO SALES TAKING PLACE AT THIS PROPERTY. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO HOW MANY CARS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE FOR SALE, AND HOW MANY CARS DO THEY ENVISION WORKING ON, ON A DAILY BASIS, MA'AM? UH, IT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PROJECT. 
          UH, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE REPAIR IS GONNA BE DONE, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE SITE, UH, OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHERE IT SAYS THE IMPERVIOUS COVER, THE CONCRETE, THERE'S A CONCRETE AREA THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND AS FAR AS, UH, UH, CAR SALES, I MEAN, THIS IS, HE DOESN'T INTEND TO HAVE A LARGE INVENTORY OF VEHICLES. 
          IT'S JUST WHAT THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, ALLOWS, UH, AS YOU HAVE MANY BUSINESSES AGAINST SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AGAIN, UH, IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, SO IF HE IS GOING TO HAVE THOSE PARKING SPACES FILLED WITH CARS EITHER BEING WORKED ON OR FOR SALE, WHERE WILL HIS OTHER PARKING BE FOR OTHER CUSTOMERS STOPPING THE, WELL, THE, THE SALE IS BEHIND WHERE IT SAYS, UH, IN PREVIOUS COVER. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PARKING IS GONNA BE AS WELL ALL EXTENDED TO, TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT, THAT WHITE AREA THAT IS SEEN THERE, THAT'S ALSO GONNA BE PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BETTER DEFINED THEN. 
          NOW FOR ME, EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF SMALL REPAIRS ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE. 
          UH, HE'S GOING TO BE DOING, HE'S NOT GONNA BE DOING TRANSMISSION REPAIR, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          HE'S GONNA BE DOING MINOR, UH, OIL CHANGES, FOR EXAMPLE, OR, OR, UH, UH, TUNEUPS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          A BRAKE JOB, WHICH WILL BE BROUGHT IN FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF HOURS A DAY AT THE MOST. 
          AND IT WOULD BE, UH, KIND OF AN IN AND OUT THING. 
          THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE STORED THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR A WEEK OR THREE DAYS OR FOUR DAYS THAT, UH, WOULD REQUIRE A LONG PERIOD OF REPAIR. 
          THESE ARE, AGAIN, SMALL, UM, UH, MINOR REPAIRS WHERE THERE, UH, CHANGE OF A STARTER OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY TIRE CHANGING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO AS FAR AS AS TIRES BEING, YOU KNOW, STACKED AND  AND OFFERED AS, AS, UH, OUTSIDE STORAGE, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY TIRE CHANGING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          HELP ME UNDERSTAND, UNDER CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO REPAIR, FOR EXAMPLE, OIL CHANGES, DOES HE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH T C E Q AND HOW IS ALL OF THAT FOR OIL CHANGES? THERE'S A CERTAIN WAY YOU COLLECT IT AND YOU CAN ONLY STORE IT AND THAT I DO NOT KNOW THAT MA'AM. 
          UH, OIL CHANGES IS ALLOWED IN THE C TWO, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UH, WHAT THE ZONING IS. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE OTHER FIRST QUESTION, I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT THE, WHATEVER THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ARE, THEY HAVE TO COMPLY. 
          THE CITY DOES NOT OVERRIDE STATE COM UM, REQUIREMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, CAN YOU TELL ME SOME OTHER C TWO USES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AT THE SITE AT THIS POINT? UH, WHAT THEY CAN DO RIGHT NOW, UH, SO A LOT OF STUFF THAT HE DESCRIBED, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE LIGHT TUNEUP, UH, UM, STATE INSPECTIONS, OIL CHANGES, TIRE REPAIR, TIRE REPAIR, GLASS REPAIR, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY CAN DO THAT WITHOUT ANY ZONING CHANGE RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN WHAT IS, I'M SORRY, DID I MISS SOMETHING HERE? WHAT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THEN THE SALES? SO HE INDICATED THAT HE WANTS TO ACTUALLY DO 
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VEHICLE REPAIR. 
          UM, HE SAID HE IS NOT GONNA HAVE THE BIG ENGINE REPAIRS, BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS CONDITIONAL USE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M SORRY, LET ME JUST BACK UP. 
          ENGINE REPAIR AS FAR AS PULLING ENGINES OUT AND REBUILDING ENGINES, HE'S STATING HE'S NOT GOING TO DO THAT. 
          THIS, UH, CONDITIONAL USE WILL ALLOW HIM TO DO THAT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY HE JUST SAID HE'S NOT GOING TO, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NO MORE QUESTIONS. 
          SO THERE'S, UM, THERE'S, UH, AUTO REPAIR AND THEN THERE'S AUTO BODY SHOPS. 
          SO I DON'T, AUTO BODY SHOPS IS NOT, UH, THE AUTO REPAIRS. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY'RE REPLACING A MUFFLER, CATALYTIC CONVERTER, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS CONSIDERED AUTO REPAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER HUEY AND THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO DURING THE CONDUCT OF YOUR AUTO REPAIR, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING PUTTING UP ANY KIND OF SHELTERS FOR THE WORK TO BE DONE UNDER OR YOU'RE JUST GONNA DO IT UNDER THE BLUE SKIES? NO, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, UH, CODE WOULD, UH, PERMITS, SIR, WE WANNA BE IN TOTAL COMPLIANCE OF WHATEVER CODE OR PERMITS. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO BE A STARTUP BUSINESS. 
          HE INTENDS THE APPLICANT OR THE, UH, THE, THE BUSINESS, UH, VC INTENDS TO, TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, WHATEVER IS REQUIRED. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MS. GIBBONS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          SO ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SAN MONTEREY IS A, A BANK IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO DO, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE BANK? DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IT GETS IN AND OUT ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY? UH, YES MA'AM. 
          I PRETTY FREQUENT. 
          WELL IN, IN THE BANK, UH, SURPRISINGLY, THE ENTRANCE TO THE BANK, UH, IS ON MONTEREY STREET. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT ON SMO. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT THE CARS ARE GONNA BE COMING IN THROUGH THE MONTEREY STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO INTRUDE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'LL, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'LL PULL IN FROM ZAMORA AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I, MY CAR RARELY NEEDS FIXING, BUT I HAVE A SON-IN-LAW WHOSE CAR DOES  AND IT IS SO HANDY TO HAVE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, IN A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU CAN TRUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEM TO GO AND FIX YOUR CAR. 
          I MEAN, AND AS MUCH AS IT COSTS TO FIX CARS TODAY AND, UH, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, I'M REALLY IGNORANT ON WHAT THOSE MIGHT BE. 
          BUT A NEIGHBORHOOD CAR REPAIR SHOP SOUNDS JUST FINE TO ME. 
          AND I THINK I'M FOR THE STAFF IS SAYING THAT THIS IS, UM, THEY'RE APPROVING THAT AND I THINK IT'S A VERY CUTE LITTLE SHOP. 
          I'M WONDERING, ARE YOU GONNA KEEP THE HOUSE RED? IT'LL STAY THAT CUTE RED CRANBERRY COLOR , MAYBE. 
          WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME MAGAZINES TO KEEP IN. 
          YEAH. 
          KEEPING WITH THE RED, UH, DON'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU GO YELLOW, I MIGHT CHANGE MY MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, CO COMMISSIONER BUSER MONTE. 
          THANK YOU MR. GALLEGOS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU TO THE OWNER FOR REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB ON, UH, RENOVATING THIS HOUSE. 
          UH, IT REALLY IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE TO SEE WHEN I GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2011, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE RECENT 2016 PICTURES THERE. 
          UM, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE, UH, MR. GALLOS, YOUR REPRESENTATION HERE, AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IN LIGHT OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OPPOSED IN LIGHT OF CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE IN DISTRICT FIVE REGARDING, UH, THE PROLIFERATION OF THESE AUTO REPAIR SHOPS, UH, AS MR. LOPEZ POINTED OUT THAT THERE ARE NINE WITHIN A MILE OR SO. 
          UM, AND FURTHER IN, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING HOW THIS PROPERTY IS GONNA WORK FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE, UM, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS ITEM. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          AND SO MOVE, SORRY. 
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WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL ALONG WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER? ON MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER ROMERO. 
          UM, I, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT THAT MOTION. 
          I, I HONESTLY, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          I NEVER UNDERSTAND THESE CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO REPAIR. 
          IT'S A THREE C THREE USE AND WE JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT C TWO. 
          THEY HAVE C TWO C TWO'S FINE. 
          THIS IS A C THREE USE. 
          AND I WANTED TO THANK THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE I, UM, VIRTUALLY WALK DOWN YOUR STREETS WHILE YOU'RE TALKING AND THERE'S JUST BEAUTIFUL HOMES ON, ON MONTEREY AND SONDER. 
          SO, SO THANKS FOR COMING OUT AND, AND TALKING TO US TODAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          YES. 
          I'LL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          AND, UM, THIS REMINDS ME OF A CASE THAT WE HAD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD YEARS AGO, CONVENIENT, COINCIDENTALLY OFF OF ZARZA AND FREDERICKSBURG, WHERE IT WAS A SIMILAR HOUSE THEY WANTED TO DO, UM, AUTO SALES IN THE BACK AND, AND WE WERE OPPOSED. 
          AND IT WAS BASICALLY, IT JUST DIDN'T FIT. 
          THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM. 
          UM, AND IT'S, YES, I I AND I, I I FULLY BELIEVE THE, UH, APPLICANT WHEN HE, UH, TALKS ABOUT MOM AND POP, BUT IT'S ALSO WHAT COULD HAPPEN AFTERWARDS IN FIVE, 10 YEARS. 
          AND SO I WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          ANY, UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I TOO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS GOOD INTENTIONS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUSINESS, THAT UH, YOU COULD BE BLOCKING THE ALLEYWAY THAT, UH, YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL BE USING TOO. 
          AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT'LL FIT IN THERE. 
          I REALLY DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMISSION. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          I'LL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA ECHO THE SIMILAR CONCERNS. 
          THE SITE PLAN, UM, ESPECIALLY CONCERNED ME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENTERING OFF OF ZAR ZAMORA, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING IS. 
          ALSO, I THINK THAT, UM, GOING BACK TO THE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS, IT'S, UM, LOW DENSITY MIXED USE, WHICH SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT C TWO BUT DOES NOT CALL OUT C THREE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF ONLY LOOKS AT THE BASE ZONING, BUT I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE BRINGING IN NOT JUST ONE, BUT TWO MORE INTENSE C THREE USES WITH BOTH THE REPAIR AND THE SALES, THAT I, I JUST THINK THAT'S TOO INTENSE. 
          UM, GIVEN THE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ALSO GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LOT. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WELL, I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE THE DECISION WHEN YOU CAME UP AND SAID YOU WERE AUTO REPAIR BECAUSE THAT TENDS TO BE THE WAY THAT THESE, UM, TYPE OF BUSINESSES GO WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING. 
          SO I WISH YOU LUCK WITH YOUR COUNCILMAN BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA GO OVER THERE AND GET APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED EVEN THOUGH IT'LL GET ONE OR THE OTHER HERE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WE MISS THE MARK HERE SOMETIMES WHEN IT COMES TO THESE SMALLER COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE TO OPERATE ON SMALL BUDGETS. 
          THEY CAN'T GO TO PET BOYS AND THEY CAN'T GO TO THE BIG, THE BIG DEALS. 
          UM, THEY'VE GOTTA GO RIGHT THERE WHERE THEY ARE. 
          AND THIS MAN'S HERE, HE SEEMS VERY GENUINE, VERY SINCERE. 
          HE'S GOING TO HAVE AN EYE OVER THIS BUSINESS AS FAR AS YOU HAVING ACCESS OFFICE HOURS OR MORE. 
          WELL, THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO GO DOWN THE ROAD WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS ALTOGETHER. 
          AND TDOT AND WHOEVER ELSE IS GONNA PUT THEIR EYES ON IT FOR YOU BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT TAKES A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF MONEY AND A LOT OF TIME. 
          SO I WON'T SUPPORT DENIAL. 
          I WOULD, UH, I WOULD OWE YOU. 
          WELL, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GONNA GO WELL FOR YOU HERE, BUT GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE? ALRIGHT, WAIT, UH, YOU , SORRY. 
          OKAY, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER S SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GOOD 
          [14. 19-8451 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700263 (Council District 2): A request for a
change in zoning from "RM-4 AHOD" Residential Mixed Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-2 AHOD" Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for three (3) dwelling units on Lot 19, Block 18, NCB 665, located at 1131 South Mesquite Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Lorianne Thennes, Planner (210) 207-7945, lorianne.thennes, Development Services Department)]
AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          LORIANNE TENNIS PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          ITEM NUMBER 14, LOCATED AT 1 1 3 1 SOUTH MESQUITE STREET IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE 
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ZONING FROM RMM FOUR TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS. 
          40 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          ZERO WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE REQUEST FOR THREE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS IS APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE EXISTING LAND USES AND DENSITIES IN THE AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? COMMISSIONER? MY NAME IS LAWRENCE POPPA. 
          I'M THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, MY ACCENT IS, UH, IS FROM WEST TEXAS. 
          I'M SORRY, FROM EUROPE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO ASK ME OR INTERRUPT ME. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UH, 1, 1 3 1 SOUTH MESQUITE. 
          INITIALLY THE OWNER BOUGHT TO BUILD A QUADRUPLEX. 
          THE QUADROS IS, THE QUADRUPLEX DO NOT FIT VERY WELL IN THAT LOT BECAUSE IN THE SAME AREA WE DO NOT HAVE QUADRUPLEX THAT RANGE. 
          SO WE, HE DECIDE TO SELL IT. 
          WE HAD AN OFFER, WASN'T TOO LOW, WAS OKAY. 
          WE DIDN'T SELL, IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH. 
          THEN WE FIND THIS OPPORTUNITY WHO BUILD THREE RESIDENTIAL UNIT HOME. 
          WELL, IN ORDER TO BUILD THESE UNITS, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS FROM SOUTH MESQUITE TO FLORIDA SO THE UNITS WILL FACE TO THE FLORIDA STREET. 
          SO WE HAVE TO DIVIDE THESE LATIN THREE AND TO PLACE THESE THREE HOMES THERE. 
          SO I HAVE THE, YEAH, THIS, THIS IS THE SIDE PLAN. 
          SO THIS ONE IS THE FLORIDA STREET DOWN, AND THAT'S A SO MESQUITE. 
          SO WE APPLIED THE FROM RMM FOUR TO I DZ TWO BECAUSE OF A SETBACKS. 
          SO I WANNA SHOW ALSO HOW IT'S GONNA BE THE FINAL. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE FINAL. 
          UH, WE HOPEFULLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO PUT A GARAGE. 
          WE PREFER TO HAVE A GARAGE THERE. 
          UH, THE ONE, IT'S FA IS FACING THE THIRD ONE, THE ONE WE HAVE ON THE EASTMAN ROAD. 
          ACTUALLY, IT'S AN ALLEY THERE. 
          UH, WE MIGHT PUT A GARAGE TO ALI IF IT'S, IF IT'S ENOUGH SPACE AND WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE GARAGE THROUGH THE FRONT. 
          THE ONE IS IN THE END AND IT'S IN A CORNER WITH MESQUITE. 
          WE MIGHT PUT, WE MIGHT PUT A GARAGE THROUGH THE MESQUITE SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ONE ON THE END. 
          THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. 
          . 
          SORRY. 
          DOESN'T WORK WITH ME TODAY. 
          ANSWER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE PART OF REVITALIZATION OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AS YOU KNOW, GUYS. 
          UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A, IT'S A COMPLETE REVITALIZATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          WE GOT THE VOTE FROM THEM. 
          WE EXPLAIN EVERYTHING, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AND WE'RE PRETTY FLEXIBLE WITH EVERYTHING. 
          AND ANY SUGGESTIONS. 
          THE, THE OWNER, IT'S, UH, IT'S WILLING TO, TO DO THE SIDEWALK, TO DO EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO LOOK GREAT AND BE IN A COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY LAW. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          UM, STAY NEARBY. 
          WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          UH, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? OKAY. 
          AND YOU'LL ALSO GET TIME TO SPEAK AFTER THE SPEAKERS IN VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, FOLLOWED BY AMPARO . 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND AND I HAVE A STATEMENT FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, OF SAN ANTONIO DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE AT 1131 SOUTH MESQUITE FROM R M FOUR A H O D TO I 
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DZ DASH TWO A H O D. 
          PRIOR TO ANY I D Z ZONING CHANGE, THE CITY SHOULD REQUIRE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT ASSESSES THE ECONOMIC VALUE ADDED TO THE PROPERTY BY THE ZONING CHANGE. 
          RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED TO CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          PATTY ZION'S, PRESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU, AMTE. 
          HI, MY NAME'S AMPARO NEGRETE. 
          I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS LOT. 
          UM, MY ONLY CONCERN, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL HOUSES, OF COURSE, BUT MY ONLY CONCERN IS I WILL BE IN THE BACK, UM, THESE HOUSES, BACKYARDS WOULD BE FACING MY YARD. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS MY HOUSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW THEIR PLANS ARE TO BUILDING, UM, THESE HOMES. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ACCESS THEY'LL HAVE TO VIEWING MY YARD. 
          UM, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THIS HOUSE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY I CAME HERE TODAY. 
          'CAUSE I WASN'T, I WASN'T SURE WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE. 
          I KNEW SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAS COMING UP. 
          UM, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW IT WAS GONNA AFFECT MY HOUSE AND, AND THE VIEWS, THEIR VIEWS ABOUT THESE NEW HOMES TO MY, UH, MY BACKYARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          UM, MR. ? YES. 
          UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN RESPOND TO THOSE WHO SPOKE. 
          UM, YES. 
          SO, UH, WE PLAN TO DO NOT DISTURB ANYBODY AROUND. 
          EVEN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE WANNA GO VERY SMOOTHLY AND SLOWLY. 
          WE'RE GONNA INVEST IN THE FIRST HOME. 
          THE ONE IS GONNA BE THROUGH THE ALI. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SELL THE HOME, AND THEN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT PROJECT. 
          WE DON'T WANNA GLOMERATE WITH A LOT OF, UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A BIG PROJECT, BUT WE DON'T WANNA CREATE A LOT OF DUST. 
          WE DON'T WANNA, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN A, IN DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO WORK AROUND TO DO NOT, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. I I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS IF WE WORK, UH, IN THE MORNINGS BETWEEN EIGHT AND TWO O'CLOCK AND THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY PROBLEMS FROM THIS POINT. 
          SO THAT'S, IF THE, THIS, THIS IS THE CONCERN ABOUT US DUST, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S AN, UH, UH, IT'S ALREADY, UH, ON CONSTRUCTION, A LOT OF HOUSES AND, UH, COMMERCIAL UNITS IN THAT AREA RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL PLAN TO BE VERY, VERY SINCERE WITH EVERYBODY AND VERY FLEXIBLE AND ANY COMPLAINTS THAT THEY WILL BE ADDRESSED. 
          WE'RE VERY, UH, PLEASED TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE FLEXIBILITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES OKAY. 
          OR QUESTIONS I SHOULD SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          , ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? OKAY. 
          TO THE APPLICANT, UM, WOULD YOU BE, YEAH, THERE YOU ARE. 
          UM, WOULD YOU, ARE YOU OPEN TO, UH, A PRIVACY FENCE THAT SURROUNDS THE PROPERTY HERE? YES. 
          IS THE, UH, YES. 
          YES. 
          THE, THE OWNER WILL COVER ALL ENTIRE COST FOR THE PRIVACY FENCE, BUT NOT THAT HIGH. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO GO SIX FEET, SIX FEET, EIGHT FEET. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO ASK FOR VARIANCE ON THAT. 
          YES. 
          UM, DOES TO, UM, CAN I, I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. 
          OKAY. 
          COULD YOU, COULD YOU COME UP FOR A MOMENT? I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE PRIVACY FENCE. 
          YOU WOULD? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONLY QUE MY QUESTION. 
          SO LET ME JUST REPHRASE, UM, REPHRASE MY QUESTION THOSE HOMES, WILL THEY HAVE A DECK FACING MY PROPERTY? 'CAUSE MY PROPERTY, IF THEY WOULD HAVE A DECK IN THEIR, IN THEIR BACK OF THEIR HOUSE, UM, IT'S GONNA BE FACING MY BACKYARD. 
          SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT IF THEY HAVE A DECK. 
          'CAUSE USUALLY THOSE HOMES THEY BUILT IN WITH DECKS BECAUSE, UM, YOU MEAN LIKE A SECOND STORY DECK? IF, IF IT'S GONNA HAVE A SECOND STORY DECK, ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE PERFECT VIEW OF THE HEMISPHERE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSE TO THE ALAMO DOME. 
          WE'RE FOUR BLOCKS AWAY. 
          WE'RE NOT FAR FROM SEEING FIREWORKS IN, YOU KNOW, NEW YEAR'S. 
          SO MY ISSUE IS JUST IF, IF THOSE HOMES ARE GONNA HAVE A DECK IN THE BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEY HAVE PERFECT VIEW TO MY BACKYARD AND GOING TO NOT REALLY HAVING ANY NEIGHBORS TO HAVING THREE NEIGHBORS IS KIND OF A, A BIG, SOUNDS LIKE A PARTY. 
          SO LET'S ASK HIM ON THAT. 
          UH, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          ARE SO IS THERE'S, THIS IS A TWO STORY? YES. 
          IT'S A TWO STORY HOME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WILL THE SECOND STORY HAVE A DECK? WE MIGHT HAVE A DECK, YES. 
          HAVE, BUT 
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WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT KNOW. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO ORDER IT. 
          IF THERE IS A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE DECK, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA PASS THIS, WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A DECK. 
          WE JUST GONNA PULL STRAIGHT. 
          BUT WE WILL HOPING YOU HAVE A SMALL DECK THERE FOR THE 'CAUSE. 
          THOSE, THOSE HOUSES WE WANNA HAVE LIKE BARBECUE SPACE. 
          IT'S A MODERN HOME. 
          UM, THERE ARE OTHER, AND THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THAT THEY WERE, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS THE HIGHWAY WE SEE IN THE HAY STREET, WE SEE THOSE TYPE OF HOMES. 
          SO, UM, IF IT'S ABOUT PRIVACY, UH, EVEN FROM THE WINDOW, I CAN SEE ABOUT EVERYTHING. 
          IF IT'S TWO STORY BEHIND THE BACKYARD, NO. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONCERN IS JUST FOR THE NEW YEAR WHEN EVERYBODY'S IS DOING A PARTY. 
          UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MAIN CONCERN OF THE PROBLEM HAVING A SMALL DECK ON TOP TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF YOUR HOME. 
          I, I IT'S IN THE BACKYARD. 
          YEAH, WELL THE DECK IS IN THE BACK. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          NOT IN THE BACK, IN THE TOP TO THE HOUSE. 
          OH. 
          OH, SO THE DECK WILL NOT BE, SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT A DECK IN THE BACK? NO, WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE A DECK. 
          I GET THAT WRONG. 
          IT'S IN THE, ON THE, ON THE BACKYARD DECK'S GONNA BE ON TOP. 
          ON TOP. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S GONNA BE IN TOP. 
          YOU STILL HAVE BUT IN THE BACK. 
          YES. 
          FULL VIEW OF OF OF THE SAN ANTONIO DOWNTOWN. 
          YES. 
          WAIT, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THE DECK IN THE BACK OR THE DECK IN THE FRONT? CAN YOU GO TO THE MIC? YES. 
          SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET IT RECORDED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS, AGAIN, I DIDN'T COME HERE 'CAUSE I'M OPPOSED TO IT OR, 'CAUSE I LOVE THOSE HOMES. 
          I WOULDN'T MIND LIVING IN A HOME LIKE THAT TOO. 
          BUT MY LUCKY DAY. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO ASK HIM, ? WELL, MY, MY THING IS IF, 'CAUSE THOSE HOUSES AND THEY ARE, THEY'RE UPCOMING. 
          THEY'RE UPCOMING ALL OVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I WAS AFRAID THAT THEIR DECK, USUALLY WHEN THEY CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S FACING MY HOUSE AND MY HOUSE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BE SEEING THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE, THE BACK OF YARD OF MY HOUSE. 
          AND MY, MY ISSUE WAS JUST GOING TO NO NEIGHBORS TO HAVING THREE NEIGHBORS ON ONE SIDE. 
          IT'S KIND OF A BIG THING FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T CLARIFY THAT. 
          OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION OF HAVING A DOG ON YOUR YARD. 
          I HAVE TWO. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT, THAT WOULD DETOUR THE BACKYARD. 
          UM, BUT OKAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. 
          SO NOW TO THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY, SO IS THERE A, A DECK IN THE BACK OR IS THE DECK, WHICH IS TWO STORY IN THE, IS IT IN THE FRONT? IT'S GONNA BE ON THE TOP. 
          THE ONE IS GONNA FACING. 
          SO, UH, WE ARE TRYING TO PLANE, IF I CAN SEE, CAN I GO THERE TO THE SCREEN? I GUESS I JUST NEED TO ANSWER. 
          IS IT IN THE BACKYARD FACING HER HOUSE OR IS IT FACING FLORIDA STREET? IT'S, IT'S, THE DECK IS GONNA FACE AND THIS WAY, THIS WAY AND THIS WAY BECAUSE THE VIEW, THE MOST VIEW IS NOT LIKE THAT. 
          THE MOST VIEW INTO THE, TO THE, TO THE TOWERS OF AMERICA IS IN DIAGONAL. 
          THAT'S THE BACKYARD, SIR. 
          WE HAVE A LASER POINTER THAT YOU COULD USE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT ANSWER WE STAY AT THE MIC. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE, THOSE DECKS WILL BE IN THE BACKYARD. 
          I, I'M, I WASN'T ASKING THE NOR FOR THE NORTH STAR QUESTION ANSWER, BUT JUST THAT IT WAS BACK OR FRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF IT'S IN THE BACKYARD THAT DOES SORT OF IMPOSE OVER HER. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DOGS YOU COULD GET IN YOUR BACKYARD AND KIND OF DETOUR , HAVING ANYBODY GO TO THE BACKYARD. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, SO THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED RMM FOUR, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO I D Z TWO HERE IS TO RELAX SETBACKS AND, AND OTHER ISSUES. 
          WHAT ELSE? THEY'LL SUBDIVIDE AND THEN HE'S PROPOSING THREE UNITS INSTEAD OF FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO, AND JUST AS A, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT, SINCE IT IS ALREADY RMM FOUR THERE, THEY, THERE COULD BE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES THERE WITH DEX, THERE COULD BE FOUR OF THEM. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT WITH QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES, HERE'S A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF. 
          UM, WITH RMM FOUR IS THE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THE EXISTING SETBACK WOULD BE FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. 
          WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A SIDE SETBACK OR WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A REAR SETBACK? IF THEY'RE COMING OFF OF FLORIDA, IT'S THE REAR SETBACK, SO IT'S GOING TO BE 10 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH R M FOUR 10. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO 
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IT, IT APPEARS FROM THE, UH, FROM THE SITE PLAN THAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO REDUCE THAT SETBACK FROM 10 TO FIVE FOOT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UM, JUST, I, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HEIGHT TOO. 
          SO WHAT WOULD THE HEIGHT LIMITATION BE ON THIS? IT WOULD BE 30, 25 FEET IN I D Z TWO. 
          THE LIMITATION IS 35 FEET OR TWO AND A HALF STORIES ON THE GROUND COMPARISON FORM. 
          I HAVE NOW LOST THE GROUND COMPARISON FORM SUGGESTS IT'S 25 FEET. 
          AM I SEEING THAT? I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE THAT WITH THE SKETCHES WE SAW, WHICH SEEMED BIGGER THAN 25 FEET. 
          I I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR HEIGHT PLEASE? JUST 25 FEET. 
          25 FEET. 
          WILL THAT PICTURE YOU SHOWED US IS IT'S, IT'S NOT THE HIGH, IT'S NOT, IT'S 25 FEET. 
          THE HIGH IN THE PICTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE JUST TWO STORIES AND A DECK ON THE TOP. 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE TWO AND A HALF, SO IT'S GONNA BE JUST 25 FEET. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          AND THEN JUST TO STAFF AGAIN, SO CURRENTLY THEY COULD BUILD BUILD FOUR, ATTACHED DETACHED FOUR, ATTACHED FOUR DETACHED ON ONE LOT. 
          UM, RM FOUR ALLOWS UP TO 35 FEET THREE STORIES. 
          SO THEY COULD BE THREE STORIES AND, AND HAVE THAT DECK. 
          THE REAL DIFFERENCE IS THE, UM, THE SETBACK, THE WHAT WOULD NOW BE THE REAR SETBACK? A REAR SETBACK I D Z ALLOWS A FIVE FOOT REAR SETBACK. 
          UM, RMM FOUR ALLOWS A 10 EXCEPT FOR ACCESSORY DETACHED DWELLINGS, WHICH, UM, COULD BE FIVE FEET AWAY. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON AN RMM FOUR LOT AT TWO AND A HALF STORIES 35 FEET WITH A DECK AS WELL AS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE REAR PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? OKAY, ONCE MORE. 
          IF IT REMAINED R FOUR, HE COULD HAVE UP TO FOUR UNITS ON THE SITE WITH A 10 FOOT SETBACK, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          BUT HE IS CORRECT. 
          BUT HE'S, HE'S ALLOWED TO GO UP TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES. 
          CORRECT? THAT'S THE HEIGHT. 
          OUR ARMED FOUR ALLOWS UP TO THREE STORIES. 
          I'M SORRY, I D Z ALLOWS UP TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES, 35 FEET SIMILAR TO YOUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          I, UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AGAIN. 
          I'M SORRY, CAN YOU TELL ME, SO WILL YOU BE GOING FIVE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT OR IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE ACTUALLY GONNA BE BETWEEN PROPERTY LINES TO YOUR, THE, THE DISTANCE WE PUT FIVE FEET, BUT IF WE, UH, WE, WE HAVE A, A, A, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM TO MOVE ON THE FRONT AND WE HAVE THE SPACE IN THE FRONT TO GO DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BOTHERED TO COME DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          'CAUSE WE CAN'T COME ON THE FRONT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO, BUT IN THE SAME TIME WE DID THAT JUST TO PUT A DECK UP, NOT TO PUT A DECK IN THE BACKYARD. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE ASK HIM ALSO FOR THIS. 
          THAT'S GIVE US MORE ADVANTAGE TO HAVE A DECK ON TOP AND NOT HAVING ON THE BACKYARD DECK. 
          THAT'LL CREATE MORE, I THINK, PROBLEM FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBOR. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE PROBLEM, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I HAVE BEEN LISTENING, BUT AGAIN, I'M OKAY. 
          STILL NOT CLEAR. 
          SO THE SIDE OF HER HOME FACES THE REAR OF YOUR PROPERTY? IT'S IT'S NOT FACING THE SIDE, THE SIDE OF A HOME? YES, IT'S FACING THE REAR OF MY PROPERTY. 
          AND AND YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A DECK OFF THE SECOND STORY YES. 
          IN THE REAR PART OF YOUR PROPERTY, WHICH ABUTS HERS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S SO THEN IF YOU GO UP TO MY, MY POINT IS IF YOU GO UP TO FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE, YOU'RE REALLY GONNA BE RIGHT ABOVE HER? UH, YES. 
          BUT IF WE, IF WE PUT THE DECK IN THE MIDDLE TO JUST HAVE A ROOM THERE, WE, WE CAN GET, WE CAN DO THAT TOO. 
          WE PUT A DECK IN THE MIDDLE. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO PUT THE DECK IN THAT CORNER THERE TO BE JUST IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE IF THAT'S THE CONCERN. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THAT. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THE INSET THEN IS WHERE YOUR DECK IS IN THIS FIRST HOME HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING HERE THE DECK, WE CAN PUT 
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IT HERE IN THE MIDDLE FACING IN THIS WAY NOT FACING ALL ENTIRE DECK HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND HERE WE'RE GONNA PUT MAYBE A ROOF. 
          THE ONE IS NOT GONNA GO, IT IS NOT GONNA BE STRAIGHT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE CAVE JUST TO COVER ALSO EVENTUAL NOISE AND EVENTUAL DESTRUCTION IN ANY OTHER PROGRAM. 
          IF THAT'S, THAT'S SATISFIED. 
          THE, THE NEIGHBOR. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND FOR STAFF, HE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THAT SITE PLAN NOW OR BY THE TIME HE GETS TO COUNCIL? WELL, YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT SETBACK IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DECKS WE, THE PLACEMENT OF THE DECK. 
          OH, HE WOULD HAVE UNTIL COUNCIL TO SUBMIT A, AN AMENDED SITE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW DECKS, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW DECKS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL HE WAS POINTING TO IT AND TELLING US WHERE HE WOULD REPOSITION IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF THE SITE, IF THAT SITE PLAN THAT HE HAS RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO BE MODIFIED, DOES HE HAVE TO DO THAT NOW OR BEFORE COUNCIL? SO, SO IF IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS SITE PLAN, HE COULD PUT THE DECK ANYWHERE HE WANTS? YES. 
          AS WITH ANY RESIDENTIAL HOME. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT, BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T GOVERN THE PLACEMENT OF A DECK. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE PLACEMENT OF, OF YOUR SETBACKS, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO IF YOUR SETBACKS ARE SHOWING FIVE, THEN IT'S FIVE. 
          IF IT'S GOING TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE, THEN YOU SHOW THE SETBACK FURTHER AWAY. 
          BUT A PLACEMENT OF A DECK IS, THE DECKS ARE NOT REQUIRED AS A SITE PLAN SUBMITTAL FOR THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE WE ALLOWED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THEN THAT THE BUFFER ON THAT SIDE BE 10 FEET INSTEAD OF FIVE? YES, YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO IN, TO MAKE THE SETBACK MORE RESTRICTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES, ANOTHER CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF. 
          UM, RMM FOUR ALLOWS FOUR UNITS. 
          DOES EACH UNIT HAVE TO HAVE 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND? IT'S TOTAL 4,000 SQUARE FOOT DIVIDED BY FOUR. 
          IT'S THE LOT SIZE THAT MEETS THE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? OKAY, AGAIN, UM, THIS IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT TWO AND WITHOUT NECESSARILY ANY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR POSITION IS ON THIS CASE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REAR SETBACK BE INCREASED TO 10 FEET. 
          AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? YEAH. 
          ARE YOU REFERRING JUST TO THE CO THE CORNER HOME OR FOR ALL OF THEM? FOR ALL OF THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH THE PRIVACY FENCE, THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION, SO NO, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AREN'T REQUIRED TO HAVE PRIVACY FENCES ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER. 
          TODAY YOU REQUIRE PRIVACY FENCES IN BETWEEN A COMMERCIAL AND A RESIDENTIAL USE, BUT WE DON'T REQUIRE PRIVACY FENCES BETWEEN HOMES. 
          OH DEAR. 
          OKAY, SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND NO SECOND. 
          SO THEN THAT, UH, MOTION FAILS AND WE'RE OPEN FOR ANOTHER MOTION. 
          I THINK A MOTION TO GO TO A CONTINUANCE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATES ARE, BUT DECEMBER, DECEMBER THE THIRD OR DECEMBER THE 17TH. 
          WELL, UM, I, I, WELL OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSIONER I THINK NEEDS TO BE, GET INVOLVED A LITTLE BIT HERE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NEIGHBORS NEED TO TALK WITH THE BUILDER. 
          SO DO THEY NEED TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS? WELL, YOU GET, YOU GET TWO OR FOUR. 
          IF YOU GO TWO, I'LL BE HERE FOUR. 
          I WON'T RATHER I'M NOT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          BETWEEN 29 AND THE SEVEN, I WILL BE, I'M NOT GONNA BE IN TOWN, SO WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE SAME HEARINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          OR, YEAH. 
          SO WHEN IS GONNA BE THE NEXT HEARING IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS? THAT'S DECEMBER 3RD. 
          I'M NOT GONNA BE IN TOWN. 
          OKAY, SO DECEMBER 17TH. 
          DECEMBER 17TH. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, THEN I MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO 
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DECEMBER 17TH. 
          SECOND SAY MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE, UH, WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMM, UM, I'LL SUPPORT THE CONTINUANCE. 
          IT MAKES SENSE, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SOUNDS REALLY WEIRD, BUT PROBABLY WILL. 
          I WOULD THINK IT ALMOST SEEMS TO ME THAT FOUR MAKES MORE SENSE HERE THAN THREE. 
          IT'S JUST THESE THREE HUGE STRUCTURES. 
          AND I KNOW THE PICTURE WE SAW ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE HERE, BUT IT SEEMS SO OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT SEEMED LIKE IF THEY DID FOUR, AND I KNOW WITH RMM FOUR YOU COULD STILL DO THREE, BUT THIS JUST ISN'T FEELING RIGHT TO ME. 
          IT JUST FEELS WEDGED IN IT. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO FIT AT ALL. 
          AND I SURE WOULDN'T WANNA BE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE WITH THESE MASSIVE STRUCTURES COMING SO CLOSE. 
          THEY COULD JUMP ON HER ROOF. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          I'LL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. 
          UM, I, I THINK IN OUR OLDER INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, WE REALLY HAVE TO TAKE THE I D Z ZONING VERY SERIOUSLY AND I THINK THAT HAVING MORE TIME TO CONSIDER THIS AND ALSO HAVING THE INPUT OF OUR DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER WOULD BE PRUDENT AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, I THINK THAT GOES INTO THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING EARLY ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY MY OWN, MY ONE CONCERN IS THAT COMMISSIONER IS NEW TO COMM TO THE ZONING COMMISSION. 
          SO IF THE STAFF COULD REACH OUT TO HIM TO ASSIST IN WHAT OUR CONCERNS WERE HERE TODAY, SOMEHOW, IF JOT THOSE DOWN AND HEAD HEAD 'EM HIS WAY, UM, AND MAKE SURE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT AND THIS NEIGHBOR IS AWARE OF WHO THAT COMMISSIONER IS SO THEY CAN CHAT WITH THEM AS WELL. 
          ANY DISCUSSION COM FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREY HOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          [15. 19-8428 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700264 (Council District 2): A request for a
change in zoning from "R-6 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 AHOD" Low Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for two (2) residential units on Lot 16, Block 1, NCB 479, located at 1821 North Olive Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
PATRICIA FRANCO. 
          ZONING ITEM 15 AS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R SIX TO I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS LOCATED AT 1821 NORTH OLIVE STREET. 
          36 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE EXISTING R SIX SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BASE ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED I D Z ONE IS ALSO SUITABLE TO THE AREA AND PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS. 
          WITH THE CONSIDERATION FOR TWO RES RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HELLO? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JOSE SEPULVEDA. 
          UM, UH, YEAH, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, DOING ON THIS PROPERTY, IT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING TWO, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON HERE. 
          UM, I GUESS IT'S REALLY AS SIMPLE AS THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK MS. VAN CLEVE. 
          HELLO, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE AT 1821 NORTH OLIVE STREET FROM, I'M HERE, HERE, R SIX A H O D, TO I D Z ONE A H O D. 
          PRIOR TO ANY I D Z ZONING CHANGE, THE CITY SHOULD REQUIRE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT ASSESSES THE ECONOMIC VALUE ADDED TO THE PROPERTY BY THE ZONING CHANGE. 
          RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF 
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SAN ANTONIO. 
          PATTY ZEES PRESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? SURE. 
          I GUESS THE ONLY THING I WOULD HAVE, UM, AS A RESPONSE TO THAT IS, UH, I KNOW, UM, I'M REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. 
          I ACTUALLY WORK AT FORT TAM. 
          HOUSTON'S MY PRIMARY, UH, JOB. 
          UM, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE BROADWAY CORRIDOR. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND, AND, AND, UH, RENOVATIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF HAPPENING, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A FEW FEET OF, OF THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UH, I MEAN IF THAT'S REALLY A CONCERN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING, UH, AS I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE WELL AWARE OF IN THAT, IN THAT ENTIRE VICINITY. 
          SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, OUT, OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR THAT AREA AT ALL. 
          IT'S JUST SIMPLY TWO, UH, SINGLE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK IT'LL AFFECT, UM, REALLY PROPERTY VALUES AT ALL, UH, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THESE ARE TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          ARE THEY SINGLE STORY OR TWO STORY? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS? UH, THEY WILL BE TWO STORY, YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROMERO? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND I GUESS I'M JUST GONNA KEEP ASKING ABOUT GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORMS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORM, I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POINT OF GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORMS IS EXACTLY. 
          I MEAN THIS IS SO 34 FOOT HEIGHT COMPARED TO 18 AND 15. 
          UM, SO QUESTION AT THE TASK FORCE WHEN, UM, THE GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORMS WERE, UM, DISCUSSED AS REQUIREMENTS FOR CASES REALLY WAS ABOUT THE IMPACT. 
          UH, WHEN YOU HAVE MORE INTENSE I D Z REQUESTS LIKE IDZ TWO, IDZ THREE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE, UH, ADDED HEIGHT OF FOUR STORIES OR UNLIMITED HEIGHT OR IT'S RESTRICTED ON THE SITE PLAN FOR I D Z THREE ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS. 
          SO THEY WANTED TO SEE THAT THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE PROPOSED HEIGHT WOULD BE FOR THAT INTENSE I D Z USE COMPARED TO WHAT IS ADJACENT TO A BUDDING I D Z ONE IS NOT REALLY GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT BECAUSE THE HEIGHT IS LIMITED FOR IDZ ONE, UH, TO THE SAME HEIGHT LIMITATION AS ANY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN THAT ANYTHING LESS THAN AN ACRE FOR IDZ ONE, TWO AND THREE REQUIRES A GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORM. 
          SO IN SOME CASES IT IS, IT IS HELPFUL IN YOUR, UH, DELIBERATIONS AND IN SOME LIKE THIS ONE IS, IT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL. 
          I ALSO JUST HAVE HERE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THE FRONT SETBACK FOR I D Z ONE, UH, THE GROUND PLAN PLAN COMPARISON FORM IS SUPPOSED TO, UM, ENSURE THAT THE FRONT SETBACK IS WITHIN 10% OF THE MEDIAN SETBACK OF EXISTING OTHER STRUCTURES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I, RIGHT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT IN, UM, FOR ANY I D Z, IF YOU HAVE A BLOCK FACE, YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN 10% OF THAT BLOCK FACE OR THE FRONT SETBACK. 
          THAT IS HOW IS IT REALLY WITHIN 10% IF WE'RE LOOKING AT COLUMN ONE, HOW, HOW IS IT WITHIN 10%? SO IF, IF IT'S THE, IF IT'S WHAT, WHATEVER'S CURRENTLY THERE, LET'S JUST ASSUME IT'S 12 AND 17, RIGHT? SO THE MEDIAN IS THE MIDDLE OF THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE 10% NO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MEAN BUT UM, WOULDN'T IT? YEAH, SO THERE IS NO MIDDLE BETWEEN TWO NUMBERS. 
          SO 10% WITHIN 12, 10% WITHIN 17. 
          SO HE'S PROPOSING 10 FEET, WHICH IS THE FRONT STEPBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL FOR IDZ ONE, BUT IT IS FOR IDZ TWO AND THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT SOMETHING WHERE IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 34 FOOT BUILDING HEIGHT COMPARED TO 18 AND 15 AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT TRANSLATES INTO RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE ON THE BLOCK. 
          HOWEVER, IF IT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, IT COULD BE DEMOLISHED OR UH, REBUILT AND IT CAN GO UP TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES 35 FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR 2020 RELATED TO I D Z ONE IN THE GROUND PLAN COMPARISON FORM BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL FOR I D Z ONE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY 
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OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON I RIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT QUESTIONS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I'M SORRY, WAS COMMISSIONER ROMERO WERE YOU, WERE YOU ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT A 2020 CHANGE TO CODE AND TRYING TO RELATE IT TO THIS TRACT RIGHT HERE? NO, I WAS JUST ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMPARE GROUND PLAN, COMPARISON FORM THAT I'M LOOKING AT. 
          WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING AT LOOKING AT THE GROUND PLAN, COMPARISON FORM AND ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW STAFF INTERPRETS THAT, UH, TO THE APPLICANT? YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, HAVEN'T YOU DEVELOPED BEFORE? YES. 
          I THOUGHT YOU LOOKED FAMILIAR. 
          YES. 
          DID WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT PROPERTY ADDRESS THAT YOU DID? THAT ONE WOULD'VE BEEN, I'M REMEMBERING I THINK, UH, MAYBE SOUTH PINE I BELIEVE, OR OH YEAH, THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR. 
          OH NO, NO, I'M SORRY. 
          IT WAS, UH, LONE STAR BOULEVARD. 
          IT WAS, YEAH. 
          WAS IT AND WE APPROVED IT. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          ALRIGHT, SO HERE YOU'RE BACK HERE. 
          SO, UM, UH, SO THIS IS A TWO STORY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE BUILDING? UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY'RE BOTH TWO STORIES? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THE, THEY'RE, THEY'LL BE VERY SIMILAR SITE PLAN OR, UM, LAYOUTS I SHOULD SAY. 
          SO THEY'LL BE FACING THIS LITTLE SIDE STREET. 
          SO ONE WILL BE FACING EQUIPMENT AND THE OTHER ONE WILL BE FACING, UM, NORTH OLIVE. 
          AND, UM, SO INITIALLY WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING THREE. 
          WE ACTUALLY TONED IT DOWN TO TWO. 
          UM, AND SO NOW WE ACTUALLY, UH, ARE GIVING BOTH OF THEM A PRETTY SIZABLE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BACKYARD I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WISH YOU WELL, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. 
          THIS IS EITHER FOR STAFF OR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          UM, AND THIS IS KIND OF GENERAL, UM, BUT WHAT IS MEANT BY AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS? SO THIS COULD VERY WELL JUST BE FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED TWO REQUESTS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE LETTER. 
          AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT THAT IS, MA'AM, IF YOU COULD, COULD GO UP TO THE MIC THAT WOULD HELP TO KIND OF EXPLAIN. 
          USUALLY WE HEAR FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY RELATED TO DEMOLITIONS OF STRUCTURES. 
          THIS IS VACANT LAST, I I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THESE STATEMENTS ARE NEW TO ME TOO. 
          I, I, I JUST CAME BACK LAST NIGHT FROM A CRUISE IN THE AZORE, SO MY MIND IS, BUT WELL, I W I I WISH I COULD JOIN YOU THERE, BUT I JUST, BUT WHAT I WAS HEARING, WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING IS THAT WHEN WE MAKE CHANGES, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO OTHER FUTURE SALES IN THE AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BUT MY MIND IS, I, I GET IT. 
          I, I'M, I'M TYPICALLY A C AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH 'CAUSE I, I DO WANNA KNOW IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA ASK FOR, I, I KIND OF DO WANNA HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THAT IS. 
          SO THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UM, SINCE, UH, COMMISSIONER TOSEN IS NOT HERE AND SINCE WE JUST HAD THIS CASE RIGHT BEFORE YOU, I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS TO ALLOW THE COMMISSIONER TO GET WITH YOU AND DECIDE WHAT THEY WANNA DO, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE I D Z AND SOME OF THESE, UH, SITUATIONS THAT WE'VE JUST SPENT THE LAST HOUR DISCUSSING. 
          SO ARE YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE A TWO WEEK OR A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE? UM, I GUESS A TWO WEEK SHOULD BE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          STAFF, CAN I HAVE THAT DATE PLEASE? THIRD IS TWO WEEKS. 
          DECEMBER 3RD. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. 
          ITEM 15 TO DECEMBER 3RD. 
          SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER WHITE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          . 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          IS THAT TWICE? YOU'VE SAID THAT TWICE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON 
          [21. 19-8433 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700272 CD (Council District 3): A request
for a change in zoning from "C-2 NA" Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales District to "C-2 CD" Commercial District with Conditional Use for a Construction Contractor Facility on Lot 2, Block 11, NCB 10876, generally located southwest of Southeast Military Drive and Emory Oak Drive. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
COMMISSIONERS. 
          PATRICIA FRANCO. 
          ITEM 21 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C TWO NA TO C TWO C D WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHWEST OF SOUTHEAST MILITARY DRIVE AND EMORY OAK DRIVE. 
          33 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 
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FEET. 
          ZERO. 
          RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE SOUTHEAST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE EXISTING C TWO COMMERCIAL BASE ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE ADDED CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWS FOR CONSIDERATION OF A, OF CONDITIONING DOWN A C THREE USE TO A C TWO DISTRICT. 
          IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR APPROPRIATE FOR CONDITIONS SUCH AS BUFFERING FENCING, HOURS OF OPERATION, AND RESTRICTED TEMPORARY SIGNAGE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. 
          UH, WHAT WE'RE ASKING HERE IS FOR A CONDITIONAL DISTRICT FOR CON CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY. 
          THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE OMINOUS, BUT REALLY WHAT IT IS IS AN OFFICE WITH A GARAGE DOOR. 
          IT ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE SPACE. 
          AND I'VE GOT A POINTER HERE. 
          IT ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THE SPACE TO TYPICALLY BE USED BY SOMEONE LIKE A POOL CLEANER, CABINET INSTALLATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S, THERE'S NO GARAGES, BUT IT'LL BE SOME BACK HERE ON THIS ONE. 
          AND ON HERE YOU CAN SEE PARKING SPACES, LITTLE FRONT DOOR. 
          AND THEN RIGHT HERE WOULD BE THE GARAGE SPACE. 
          THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS HAVING SOME INTERNAL STORAGE WITH THE OFFICE SPACE. 
          AND IT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO DECIDE HOW MUCH OF THAT SPACE IS STORAGE VERSUS, UH, OFFICE. 
          IF YOU GO IN FOR BUILDING PERMITS AND YOU JUST HAVE C TWO, IT COMES A REAL PROBLEM AND TRYING TO CREATE A GARAGE DOOR AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE. 
          IT DOES NOT ALLOW WAREHOUSING OR ANY INTENSE USES LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED. 
          I WILL READ INTO THE RECORD. 
          WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE REQUESTING THERE WAS AN EXISTING NA ON THE PROPERTY. 
          WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT BACK. 
          THERE'S NO INTENTION TO ANY ALCOHOL SALES HERE. 
          IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL. 
          WE'D HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE. 
          THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENTION. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST ONE, SOLID SCREEN FENCING. 
          UM, NOT ON ALL SIDES. 
          THAT WOULD IMPLY ON THE FRONT, WE'LL DO IT ON THE, UH, WESTERN AND SOUTHERN SIDE WITH THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE REAR. 
          UH, NO FREESTANDING POLE SIGNAGE. 
          WE'LL BE DOING A, A MONUMENT SIGN. 
          NO LEAD OR FLASHING SIGNAGE, NO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, BANNERS, PENANCE AND PROMOTIONAL FLAGS. 
          FLYERS PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          NO AUTO TIRE REPAIR OR AUTO SALES. 
          USES PERMITTED DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING ONLY. 
          NO OUTDOOR PATIO MUSIC, AMPLIFIED SOUND OR SPEAKERS PERMITTED. 
          AND HOURS OF OPERATIONS FROM 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM AND THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? OKAY. 
          NO, SORRY, . 
          NO WORRIES. 
          OKAY, WELL, UM, I HAD THIS PULLED SO THAT WE COULD, UM, ADDRESS THE NA AND THE CONDITIONS, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          PATRICK, IS THIS THE ONE I ASKED YOU ABOUT VIA EMAIL YOU SENT ME? YES. 
          OKAY, SO YOU DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM ANY, UH, ASSOCIATIONS? SO WE REACHED OUT, THERE'S THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND US IS A GATED COMMUNITY. 
          THERE'S TWO HOAS RUN BY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. 
          APPARENTLY THEY'RE HAVING DECEMBER MEETINGS, ANNUAL MEETINGS AND I'M GOING TO PRESENT THERE. 
          BUT THEY WERE FINE WITH GOING FORWARD HERE. 
          WE DON'T GO INTO COUNCIL UNTIL LATER. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, THEY WERE FINE WITH, DID THEY, DID THEY PUT THAT IN WRITING? THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE ZONING AND I HAVE EMAILS I CAN FORWARD YOU SAYING, BUT THEY'RE NOT MEETING TILL DECEMBER. 
          MM-HMM. 
           DO YOU KNOW WHEN? IN DECEMBER? NO, I DON'T. 
          THEY DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE STILL TRYING TO SEE IF THEY'RE EVEN GONNA HAVE DECEMBER MEETINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, YOU SNOOZE YOU LOSE, I DON'T DUNNO. 
          . 
          WELL, YEAH, I FORWARD THOSE EMAILS TO THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S OFFICE REACHED SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO THEM, BUT I'M KIND OF, YOU KNOW. 
          DID THEY REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSIONER AT ALL? UM, NO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          NO. 
          OH, THAT PEEPS EVERYWHERE. 
          THEY JUST REACH OUT TO ME. 
          I GUESS I'LL STAY IN TOUCH WITH 'EM IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUEST A MEETING, I'LL BE HAPPY TO MEET. 
          OKAY, LET'S JUST, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          I'M COMMISSIONER POST. 
          DEANTE. 
          WHEN ARE YOU LOOKING AT, UH, COUNCIL VOTE? I BELIEVE I'D GO TO COUNCIL. 
          JANUARY 16TH. 
          I'VE GOT A MONTH AND A HALF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. 
          IF NOT, UM, I LIKE, UM, TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER, UM, 21 WITH THE CONDITIONS, UM, THAT WERE READ AS WELL AS AMENDING IT BACK, UM, TO INCLUDE THE NA SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
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WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE. 
          AYE. 
          AND MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE? I MEAN IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT TODAY? NO, THERE IS NOT. 
          UH, JUST THE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ARE 
          [27. 19-8497 Consideration and Approval of the November 5, 2019 Zoning
Commission Minutes]
THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? UM, WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING THIS, I THINK WE'RE NOT SURE, BUT MAYBE I MADE THE MOTION FOR NUMBER 15 ON DAVIS COURT AND COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL SECONDED. 
          'CAUSE IT'S REVERSED IN THE MINUTES 'CAUSE I WAS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. 
          I THINK MAYBE I WAS THE ONE THAT MADE THAT MOTION SO NOTED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS, UM, THE MINUTES WILL BE, UH, CORRECTED AS STATED. 
          UM, AND I GUESS THAT'S IT. 
          BUT LET ME JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING MY LUNCH TODAY, MS. FLORES. 
          NO, NO, . 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING GUYS. 
          THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO. 
          YES. 
          SAME TO YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YES, WE WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A PLEASANT HOLIDAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE GOODIE BACK.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.