Apr 01, 2026 Historic and Design Review Commission

MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

ES THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LOOK AT TODAY'S AGENDA, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN.

THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.

IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.

AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.

AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITHIN AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.

PERMITS WANTS TO BE ATTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVED WORK BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE E EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.

AFTER, AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

UM, FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS MARCH 18TH, 2026.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 18TH, 2026 HTRC MEETING MINUTES SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.

UM, WE CAN TAKE A

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]

UM, THIS IS STRANGE.

WE HAVE NINE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

NO INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. WE HAVE NO VOICEMAILS AND NO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

ITEM NUMBER 5 1 15 MAIN PLAZA.

ANY OTHER ITEMS? CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO, UH, APPROVE ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH, UH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS LESS.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

SECOND.

HAS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA? AYE.

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YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS, UH, NORTH RE OH.

FROM IH 10 TO WEST HOUSTON, 2 26 BUSHNELL, UH, 40 54 32 LEONHART, 2102 BROADWAY, UH, 3 0 9 3 19 WEST TRAVIS, 500 NORTH SANTA ROSA, 3 23 WEST MARTIN, 3 27 WEST MARTIN, AND 5 26 CAMERON, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

UH, AND COMMISSIONERS WILL, UH, LOOK AT ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

IT'S ONE 15 MAIN PLAZA.

THE APPLICANT IS ALLISON CHAMBERS FROM FORT POWELL.

CARSON, I DON'T THINK ALLISON'S HERE.

IS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE? YEAH, GO AHEAD AND COME UP.

HI, ELAINE KEARNEY WITH TBG PARTNERS.

ALLISON SHOULD BE HERE SHORTLY, BUT UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING HIGHLY SPECIFIC TO ARCHITECTURE, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER MOST QUESTIONS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, YEAH, I DO HAVE, UM, SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE MAIN PLAZA CONSERVANCY.

IS THERE SOMEBODY HERE ON BEHALF OF THAT GROUP? HELLO, I'M NATALIE SMITH AND I'M CHAIR OF MAIN PLAZA CONSERVANCY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.

YES.

AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING AS WE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, CASE.

UM, UH, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT, UH, WHAT PROMPTED Y'ALL'S ORGANIZATION TO WANT A PERMANENT BUILDING ON THE PUBLIC PLAZA? HOW DID Y'ALL GET TO THAT DECISION? SURE.

SO THE CONSERVANCY WAS FOUNDED IN 2008 WHEN THE RENOVATIONS WERE COMPLETED TO THE PLAZA.

AND IT HAS BEEN HOSTING EVENTS, UM, SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, MONTHLY FOR THE LAST 20 ISH YEARS.

AND, UH, FROM OUR OPERATING BUDGET, UH, MAJORITY OF THE COSTS RELATE TO EVENT PRODUCTION MM-HMM .

AND ACTIVATING THE PLAZA.

AND, UH, HAVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT, UH, PUBLIC FREE EVENTS, UH, IS CRITICAL TO THE LONG TERM OPERATIONS AND ACTIVATION OF THE PLAZA.

SO, UM, HAVING THE PAVILION TO PROVIDE, AND ALSO , I SHOULD SAY FOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE TERM PASSIVE ACTIVATION, BUT HAVING INCREASED SHADE AS WELL, UM, THROUGH OUR PUBLIC STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS WAS ALSO IDENTIFIED AS BEING CRITICAL.

UM, AND SO THE PAVILION PROVIDES INCREASED SHADE AS WELL AS IT DOUBLES AS A OPPORTUNITY FOR A STAGE, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO BRING BACK AND FORTH.

AND THEN THE SMALL FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMPONENT CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SELF SUSTAINABILITY AS A NONPROFIT.

SO THE INTENTION IS TO RECEIVE, UM, PERCENTAGE RENT FROM THAT CONCEPT SO THAT WE CAN THEN PAY FOR A HIGHER LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE ON THE PLAZA AND CONTINUE AS A CONSERVANCY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, SO IS THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN.

IS THE KITCHEN A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, A FULL COMMERCIAL KITCHEN? OR IS THIS LIKE A CATERING? NO, MA'AM.

IT'S A CATERING KITCHEN.

CATERING AFFAIR.

UM, AND LET'S SEE, UH, SO IF THERE'S A, NOT AN EVENT, BUT LET'S SAY THERE WAS SOMEBODY WORKING IN THAT CATERING KITCHEN MM-HMM .

AND IN THAT DINING AREA, IS THAT NECESSARILY A PRIVATE AFFAIR? NOT, NOT NECESSARILY, NO.

UH, THE, THE DINING AREA WOULD BE ANYBODY COULD COME AND PURCHASE A SANDWICH OR A COFFEE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YES.

YES.

AND SO THE, UM, AREA TO THE WEST MM-HMM .

PAV AREA UNDERNEATH THE PAVILION, IS THAT INTENDED TO BE PUBLIC FULL TIME? YES, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT'LL BE COVERED SEATING.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, BUT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR, UH, PRIVATE RENTALS.

UM, IF YOU HAVE A WEDDING AT THE CATHEDRAL OR SOMETHING, MAYBE YOU WANNA HAVE A COCKTAIL HOUR OR SOMETHING MM-HMM .

UM, AGAIN, TO INCREASE THE SELF SUSTAINABILITY, BUT THE INTENTION IS FOR IT TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC A MAJORITY OF THE TIME.

DUMPSTER GOING TO BE? UM, WE'RE, WE HAVE A SMALL WALL THAT'S PLANNED.

MY, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE THAT IS THAT THIS IS A CIVIC PLAZA.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND, UM, THAT IT NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO READ AND OPERATE AS SUCH.

I, AND ANOTHER THING IS WE'RE EXCITED TO REALLY HAVE IT AS AN OUTDOOR CLASSROOM.

WE HAVE A LOT OF STUDENTS THAT VISIT ON SCHOOL BUSES AND THINGS, AND ALSO FOR THEM TO, THEY ALREADY TAKE THEIR LUNCH IN THE PLAZA, BUT AGAIN, TO BE SHADED AND HAVE FACILITIES A MORE COMFORTABLE MM-HMM.

EXPERIENCE.

SO IF THIS IS, UM, SO THIS ISN'T A COMMERCIAL, FULL COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, SO YOU DON'T NEED GREASE TRAPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WHERE'S THE

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I THINK, UM, ALLISON CAN SPEAK BETTER TO THAT, BUT, OKAY.

THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THE TRASH USE YOURSELF.

MA'AM MA'AM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.

YES.

MY NAME IS ALLISON CHAMBERS.

I'M AN ARCHITECT AT FORD PELLAND CARSON ARCHITECTS.

UH, THE IDEA IS THAT THE TRASH WILL BE IN SMALL, SMALLER SIZED DUMPSTERS AND TAKEN OUT ON A DAILY BASIS.

AND WHERE ARE THE DUMPSTERS STORED? THEY'LL BE STORED BEHIND THE, THE WALL THAT'S KIND OF, UH, BACK OF HOUSE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.

THERE'S A BACK OF HOUSE AREA FOR CLEANING FOR THE RESTAURANT.

CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT TO US ON A PLAN? NO, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT SHOWS IT BECAUSE IT'S OH, RIGHT.

BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT ON THIS PLANT.

UM, OKAY.

UM, AND THEN I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SHADE STRUCTURE.

UH, WHAT IS YOUR VERY HONESTLY, UM, WHEN WE SAW THIS DURING THE DRC, MY CONCERN WAS THE SIZE, THE, THE, THE RATIO OF AREA DEDICATED TO THE ENTIRE OPERATION RELATIVE TO THE WHOLE PLAZA SEEMS AWFULLY LARGE.

I MADE THAT COMMENT, BUT FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T APPEAR IN THE NOTES.

BUT I THINK THAT'S A REAL IMPORTANT, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS I HAVE.

IMPORTANT TAKEAWAY.

SO IN PLAN, HAVING THE SEATING UNDERNEATH THE PAVILION OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVING IT LEGIBLE CLEARLY AS PUBLIC HELPS, BUT TO THE HEIGHT OF THE PAVILION, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THAT COVERING, LET'S SAY TOP OF BEAM? THE, TO THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, 22 FEET AND FOUR INCHES.

SO IT'S RELATIVELY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MUNICIPAL PLAZA BUILDING KIND OF HAS THE DOUBLE HEIGHT ARCH WINDOWS ON THAT MAIN FACADE FACING THE PLAZA.

SO IT'S LIKE TO THE BOTTOM OF, UH, THE ARCH ARCH WINDOWS FOR REFERENCE FOR OKAY.

UM, PER THE RENDERINGS, I THINK IT, AND I'LL, I'LL BE CLEAR THAT WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS, I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS AND THE MATERIALS YOU'RE USING, THE DESIGN, EVERYTHING I, AND TO, TO, UM, CORRECT WHAT OR NOT CORRECT.

BUT TO REDO WHAT HAS BEEN DONE RECENTLY, I THINK IS MARVELOUS.

UM, AGAIN, THE CONCERN, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, SLIDE NUMBER 18, THIS IS THE ONE THAT GOT ME A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THE HEIGHT.

WE SHOW TREES THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY TALL AND THEY'RE NOT THERE.

ARE YOU PLANNING TO PLANT REALLY TALL TREES TO BEGIN TO AMELIORATE THE HEIGHT OF THAT PAVILION? UM, THE TREE THAT'S SHOWN IN THE FOREGROUND, IT'S, IT IS A RENDERING, BUT IT REPRESENTS A LARGE TREE THAT IS THERE TODAY THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO KEEP AND PROTECT MM-HMM .

SO WE'VE DONE, UM, WE'VE MAPPED ALL OF THE HERITAGE TREES AND ALL OF THE HERITAGE TREES WILL REMAIN.

UM, AND THE BUILDING IS KIND OF NESTLED IN.

WE'RE ALSO PLANTING TO PLANT NEW TREES AS WELL.

SO I I HOPE THAT WILL HELP TO MITIGATE THE HEIGHT.

IT'S THE, IT'S WHAT THAT HEIGHT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE TREES NOW.

IT'S NOT, UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK AT ALL LIKE THIS.

I'LL RESERVE MY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LATER AND LET THE OTHERS ADD.

I'LL START WITH MY, UM, VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER, UM, COMMISSIONER HALL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS.

PLACEMAKING AND STORYTELLING INTO THE PLAZA.

COMMISSIONER MAZUA, JUST, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT ELEVATION.

IS, IS IT ALL ONE PLANE? TO CLARIFY? UM, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE PAVILION OR THE ENTIRE, UH, PLAZA, LIKE THE GROUND PLANE? THE ENTIRE PLANE, LIKE, THERE USED TO BE AREA .

SO ONE OF THE MAJOR DESIGN MOVES OF THIS, ONE OF THE DRIVERS FOR THE PROJECT HAS BEEN A DA ACCESSIBILITY AND UNIVERSAL ACCESSIBILITY.

AND WHAT WE REALIZED WAS THAT IN THE LAST ITERATION OF THE PLAZA, THEY HAD KIND OF ARTIFICIALLY CREATED A PLATEAU.

AND THAT, UM, TODAY THAT HAS RESULTED IN MANY STEPS, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE EDGE THAT FACES THE RIVER.

SO WITH THIS DESIGN, WE ARE PLANNING TO RETURN IT BACK TO MORE OR LESS ITS ORIGINAL GRADE, WHICH GENTS, WHICH SLOPES VERY GENTLY, LESS THAN 2% FROM THE CATHEDRAL TOWARDS THE RIVER, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT.

SO THERE WILL BE A VERY GENTLE SLOPE ACROSS MOST OF THE PLAZA TO ALLOW FOR THAT.

A DA ACCESSIBILITY.

UH, ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.

THE, UM, THE PATTERNING ON THE PAVEMENT, IS THAT FIXED? IS THAT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE? NO, UM, THE RENDERINGS DON'T QUITE ACCURATELY REPRESENT THAT YET BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING VERY DETAILED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONSERVANCY AS WE FEEL THAT THE PAVING IS A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY TO INTEGRATE

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AND SO, UH, WHEN WE RETURN FOR FINAL APPROVAL WILL INCLUDE MUCH MORE DETAILED PLANS.

UM, THERE WILL BE SEVERAL TYPES OF PAVING, WHICH WE'VE BEEN SELECTING CAREFULLY, UM, TO THINK BOTH ABOUT DURABILITY AND A COLOR BECAUSE OF TEMPERATURE AND ALSO STAINING.

UM, SO IT WILL BE SORT OF A, A MODELED BLEND OF, UH, EARTH TYPE COLORS.

AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IN THE VERY CENTER OF THE PLAZA THERE WILL BE SOME INLAID GRANITE, WHICH WILL, UH, BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SORT OF A TIMELINE COMPONENT THAT WILL TELL SEVERAL NARRATIVES ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINE PLAZA FROM AN ECONOMIC, CULTURAL, AND, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT.

COMMISSIONER GIDA? YES.

AND, AND THAT WILL BE, UH, MORE OF A CIRCULAR PATTERN THAT'S ENHANCING THAT CIRCULAR SHAPE.

NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER SSO? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I HAD LOVE THE RENDERING AND WITH THE TREES AND SO FORTH, BUT FOR EVENING, WHAT TYPE OF LIGHTING ARE YOU ALL PROPOSING? YES, LIGHTING IS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.

SO THERE WILL BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LIGHTING TYPES.

UM, ALSO VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT WILL, UM, BE A SMART SYSTEM THAT WILL CORRESPOND WITH WHEN THE SAGA IS, UH, PLAYING.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE LIGHTING OUT THERE IS, UM, IT'S NOT VERY EASY TO DIM IT AND IN CONTRAST TO THE SAGA.

SO THERE WILL BE, WE'LL BE PROPOSING TO KEEP, UM, VERY SIMILAR LIGHTING ALONG THE STREET SCAPES, LIKE THE NEWLY INSTALLED Z CULTURAL LIGHTS WITHIN THE PLAZA ITSELF.

THERE WILL BE, UM, MOSTLY POLE MOUNTED LIGHTS THAT WILL CAST A MORE EVEN LIGHTING THROUGHOUT.

UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE LIMITED NUMBER OF STEP LIGHTS, UM, AND THE BUILT IN WALLS AND STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ADEQUATELY LIT.

AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE, THERE WILL ALSO BE SOME STAGE LIGHTING, UM, INTEGRATED IN WITH THE, UH, PAVILION SO THAT IT CAN DOUBLE AS A PERFORMANCE SPACE.

COMMISSIONER GROUP.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

WHAT'S THE, UH, HEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CURRENT SHADE TRUCTURE OF THIS RIGHT NOW AND THIS, UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THOSE ARE MUCH SHORTER.

LIKE A, SO IT'LL BE LIKE DOUBLE MAYBE OR ONE AND A HALF.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS DRIVING THE HEIGHT OF THE PAVILION IS THE NEED TO DOUBLE AS A PERFORMANCE STAGE.

AND SO TO GET CERTAIN HEIGHTS AND SIGHT LINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN HEIGHT.

SO YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY DOUBLE THE HEIGHT.

THOSE ARE LIKE, WE LOOK AT 10, 10 OR 15 FEET WHERE WE'RE MORE LIKE, SO IT'LL BE OVER THE TREES ABOVE TREE HEIGHTS.

NO, THE TREES ARE GONNA BE NESTLED AROUND THE PAVILION.

THEY DON'T LOOK VERY TALL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MEMA.

NO QUESTIONS.

SO THERE'S MANY OPPORTUNITIES.

COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.

YES, THANK YOU.

UM, I, I WANT TO, UM, SEE IF, UH, YOU CAN HELP ME WITH WHAT CONSIDERATION Y'ALL HAVE TAKEN TO, UM, LET'S SAY EXPLOIT THE OR THE HISTORIC SQUARE, UH, TO SOME LEVEL OF LIKE REAL OBVIOUSNESS.

IT, I IT IS BEEN DESTROYED OVER THE YEARS, RIGHT? IT'S ALMOST DISAPPEARED.

IS IS THERE STRONG EFFORT TO BRING THAT BACK? YES.

THAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE PILLARS IN OUR STORYTELLING.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, ON THE, THE ONE WALL, THE ONE SOLID WALL, WHICH IS COVERING THE BACK OF HOUSE FOR THE KITCHEN TO DO A MURAL.

UM, AND I WENT TO THE CANARY ISLANDS WITH THE MAYOR LAST YEAR.

IT'S A GORGEOUS PLACE.

THERE'S A REMARKABLE STORY.

AND THE, THE PART OF THE PAVERS THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND, UM, IN INLAID BRONZE, IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, AND THERE'S SO MUCH STORY THOUGH THAT'S ALMOST OVERWHELMING TO TELL, BUT THIS, THERE'S THE CANARY ISLANDERS THAT FOUNDED THE PLAZA, AND THEN THERE'S MUCH MORE, ALSO WE'VE BEEN MEETING REGULARLY WITH THE CANARY ISLANDS DESCENDANTS ASSOCIATION AND THEY'RE THRILLED AT, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORT THAT WE'RE MAKING TO INCREASE THE PROMINENCE OF THE PLAZA AND TELL THAT STORY.

SO, SO PERHAPS ON THE HORIZONTAL, ON THE GROUND THAT, THAT THERE'S A SHADOW OF THAT ENTIRE, WE, WE, WE, UH, UM, REVIEWED THE AIRPORT AND THEY HAD TO DO WORK OR WE, WE ASKED THEM TO CONSIDER WORK THAT MIRRORED WHAT WAS THERE, BUT ONLY THROUGH THE GROUND PLANE, HOPING THAT THAT PERHAPS THAT'S PART OF THIS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE IS MORE TIMELINE THE HORIZONTAL YEAH, YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

IT, YEAH.

AT THE VERY, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS AT THE VERY CENTER OF THE PLAZA, THERE WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, A MARKER IN THE SORT OF QUATRO FOIL SHAPE, WHICH IS A NOD TO, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SEEN THROUGHOUT THE MISSIONS, BUT THE FOUNDING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AS A NOD TO THE IDEA OF THE LAW OF THE INDIES, WHERE MAINE PLAZA

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WAS THE AXIS MUNDI AND THE VERY, YOU KNOW, CENTER OF THE CITY LAID OUT.

UM, SO THAT WILL BE BOTH, YOU KNOW, SYMBOLICALLY THERE AND THEN ALSO WOVEN INTO THAT TIMELINE PIECE.

UM, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE THOUGH, THE PLAZA HAS BEEN THROUGH MANY, MANY, MANY ITERATIONS THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY.

OH YEAH.

AND FOR MOST OF ITS HISTORY, IT WAS JUST AN UNPAVED DIRT OPEN SPACE.

AND SO THERE AREN'T AS MANY, YOU KNOW, WHICH HISTORY YOU WOULD GO BACK TO, TO REPRESENT, UM, GETS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING, UM, GIVEN HOW MANY ITERATIONS AND THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR MOST OF ITS HISTORY.

ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION.

UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE ANNUAL FESTIVALS THAT HAPPENED THERE, UM, WILL, WILL THIS STAGE BE ONE OF THOSE STAGES TYPICALLY LIKE A SHOW MOBILE THESE THESE DAYS? FOR, FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR CATHEDRAL ACTIVITY? YES.

THE INTENTION THAT THIS WOULD BE UTILIZED AS FOR ALL THE ACTIVATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLAZA.

AND, AND HOW ABOUT FOR, UH, FOOD STANDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? IS THERE, ARE THERE, UH, INTENTIONAL POWER INLETS AND OUTLETS? WE HAVE A COUPLE, UM, UH, POWER HOOKUPS, UM, AVAILABLE FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS.

SO, SO LIKE THIS FIESTA RIGHT? YOU'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

IS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, THAT THAT PLAN THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AROUND WHAT, WHAT'S BEEN DONE THERE? YES.

OUR, UM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR HAD HER BABY LAST NIGHT, SO SHE'S NOT HERE TODAY, BUT SHE HAS HELPED WITH ALL OF THOSE EVENTS FOR MANY YEARS.

AND THERE'S 75 VENDORS AS YOU MENTIONED.

AND THAT WE CAN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH POWER FOR THAT KIND OF MAXIMUM USAGE 'CAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM A CIVIL ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE.

BUT WE WILL HAVE, UM, POWER THERE FOR CONSISTENT FOOD TRUCKS AND THEN THAT EVENT AND PEAK TIMES IS ABSOLUTELY TAKEN TO, INTO ACCOUNT.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THIS, UM, PRESENTATION AND THE, UH, BRINGING BACK THE PLAZA TO BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND, AND, UM, MORE USABLE THAN WHAT IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.

UH, SOME OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE, UM, ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PAVILION FROM THE CENTER OF THE PLAZA.

UM, I'VE SEEN THE RENDERINGS WHERE YOU CAN COME IN FROM THE NORTHEAST AND THE NORTHWEST.

CAN YOU ACTUALLY ENTER FROM THE PLAZA UP TO THE STAGE AREA AND FOOD SERVICE AREA AT THE MOMENT? NOT DIRECTLY.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO SORT OF WING AROUND TO EITHER SIDE AND THAT OF COURSE HAS SOME DRAWBACKS BECAUSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO INVITE PEOPLE UP.

THE REASON THAT WE HAVE THUS FAR LANDED ON THAT SOLUTION IS TRYING TO BALANCE ITS LIFE AS A STAGE AND, UM, GIVE, WE HAVE ABOUT 18 INCHES OF HEIGHT DIFFERENCE THERE TO INCREASE THE SIGHT LINES FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE GATHERING IN THE PLAZA.

UM, SO WE FEEL THAT WHAT WE'VE OBSERVED IS THAT MANY, MANY PEOPLE ARRIVE TO THE SITE FROM THE COMMERCE SIDE.

UM, THERE'S THE RENDERING WITH THE MURAL ON IT.

AND SO FEEL THAT WE HAVE VERY PROMINENT ACCESSIBILITY UP TO WHAT WOULD BE SORT OF YOUR, YOUR FIRST ACCESS POINT.

UNIFIED PORCH AREA, UM, WHERE IT'S THE SHADED AREA THAT'S OPEN AIR OR THE AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ENCLOSED BY THE RESTAURANT AND THE, UM, AIR CONDITIONING SO THAT YOU KIND OF GET ONE SEAMLESS LOOK.

UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE STUDYING THAT ACCESS DIRECTLY FROM THE CENTER OF THE PLAZA.

'CAUSE ONCE SOMEONE GETS THERE AND THEY WANT TO GO UP TO THE, TO THE PAVILION WHERE THE RESTROOMS ARE AND THE FOOD SERVICE IS, UH, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THOSE WITH, UH, NEEDS.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, IF WE GO TO SLIDE 17, PLEASE.

YEP.

UM, MY FIRST REACTION TO THE PAVILION, I'M SORRY I WASN'T ABLE TO BE ON THE DRC EARLIER, BUT, UH, WAS THE APPARENT SCALE OF THE PAVILION, THE HEIGHT IN RELATION TO THE PLAZA, AND UH, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THE HEIGHT OF IT IN RELATION TO MAINE PLAZA BUILDING.

BUT, UM, HAVE YOU EXPLORED POSSIBLY HAVING A TWO LEVEL ROOF STRUCTURE WHERE IT'S TALLER ABOVE THE STAGE AREA AND SHORTER ABOVE THE FOOD SERVICE AREA? THAT WOULD HELP TO REDUCE THE SCALE A BIT, UH, GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT, UH, RATHER THAN ONE BIG ROOF HAVE TWO LEVELS OF ROOF.

UH, THEY COULD BE ON THE SAME ARC, UH, THE SAME TYPE OF FRAMING STRUCTURES.

BUT, UH, JUST TO SORT OF BREAK UP THE, THE LARGE SCALE OF THAT PAVILION, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU STUDIED THAT OR ARE YOU WILLING TO STUDY THAT? UM, WE HAVE NOT STUDIED THAT BECAUSE THE INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPT WAS KIND OF THIS

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SO THAT, THAT WAS THE INITIAL DESIGN CONCEPT.

THAT IS ALL AT THE MOMENT.

I HAVE A QUESTION, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

WELL, FIRST I, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED AS WELL, BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, UM, THE CURRENT SHADE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE, UM, I KNOW YOU SAY YOU, WE CAN TELL US WHAT THE HEIGHT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU GAVE US KIND OF RELATION TO THE BUILDING, BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, THE ACTUAL OVERALL FOOTPRINT OF THIS, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU ESTIMATE IS BIGGER THAN THE SHADE STRUCTURE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? UM, AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT REALLY, NOT REALLY DOING ANY SHADE ACTUALLY.

UM, SO THE, THE FOOTPRINT IS LARGER.

I, I DON'T, MAYBE THREE TIMES, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING 5,500 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL COVERED SHADED AREA.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR OUTSIDE.

UM, WHICH HAS BEEN A BIG COMMENT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IS SHADE, SHADE, SHADE.

UM, SO THAT, THAT IS ONE WAY THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IT.

UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS LIKE ANOTHER 1200 SQUARE FEET.

THEY ANSWER MY QUESTION.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, THE TREES, I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE HERITAGE TREES AND BEING AT, AT THE SIZE OF THIS HERE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GONNA FIT THE STRUCTURE WITHIN THE TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW, BUT TREES THAT DO NEED TO BE MOVED, YOU'RE TAKING THEM AND THEN STRATEGICALLY PLACING THEM, YOU KNOW, AROUND.

DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

UM, GREAT, GREAT CONVERSATION.

I ALWAYS HAVE MORE QUESTIONS HERE.

THIS IS WHAT I WANTED.

UM, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT PLAZA, RIGHT? AND EVERY PLAZA HAS ITS OWN CHARACTER TO YOUR COMMENT THAT THE PLAZA HAS HAD A DIFFERENT DESIGN, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY COUPLE OF GENERATIONS OR SO, UH, JUST SPEAKS TO ITS INFINITE USABILITY, BUT IT'S ALWAYS A, A CIVIC PLAZA.

UM, UH, THE LANDSCAPE AREA, I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING VERY CONCEPTUALLY THE LANDSCAPE WE SEE A LAWN.

IS THIS TURF OR IS THIS REAL GRASS? AND HOW DOES THIS GET MAINTAINED? IS THERE STAFF, UH, FULL-TIME STAFF ON THIS OR IS THIS PART OF PARKS? UM, I CAN SPEAK TO THE MATERIALITY.

SO WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING THAT IT BE ARTIFICIAL TURF, UM, JUST DUE TO THE VERY HIGH FOOT TRAFFIC AND NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT ARE ANTICIPATED MM-HMM .

AND THE REASON THAT WE'VE PROPOSED SOME LIMITED AREAS OF ARTIFICIAL TURF IS ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HEAT AND THE AMOUNT OF PAVING AND TRYING TO BALANCE THAT OBVIOUSLY BEING A VERY DURABLE MATERIAL, BUT ALSO WANTING TO PROVIDE SOME VARIETY FOR FAMILIES SO THAT THERE DOES FEEL LIKE THERE'S A PLACE THAT YOU COULD SIT DOWN TODAY IF YOU GO OUT TO WATCH THE SAGA.

THERE'S, UM, VERY INADEQUATE SEATING AND MANY PEOPLE DO END UP SITTING IN THE GROUND, SO MM-HMM .

YOU MAY BE ABLE TO TELL THAT SOME OF THE, UM, THE WALLS ARE ACTUALLY INTENDED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SEATING.

SO THERE SHOULD BE A COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HYPOTHETICALLY BRING A BLANKET OR A ONE CHAIR, UM, OR YOU COULD, UM, SIT ON BUILT-IN SEATING OR MOVABLE FURNITURE.

AND THEN TO, UH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.

OH, NO, GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

UM, AND THEN I THINK, UM, I CAN LET NATALIE SPEAK TO MAINTENANCE, BUT UM, YEAH, THAT FALLS UNDER CONCERN.

WE ARE GONNA NEED TO WAIT TO DETERMINE THE OPERATIONS PLAN ONCE WE HAVE THE FINALIZED, YOU KNOW, DRAWINGS.

BUT THE INTENTION IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DAY PORTER OR SOMEBODY WHO COULD ASSIST WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND, UM, THERE IS A STORAGE SHED WHERE WE'LL HAVE THE ROLLER AND BE ABLE TO FLUFF UP THE ARTIFICIAL TURF.

UM, HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH THAT IN THE PAST.

AND ONE COMMENT I DID WANNA MAKE WAS THAT SOMETHING, WHICH I KNOW IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR ME TO ADJUST WAS THAT WHEREBY MAINTAINING THE TREES AND DROPPING THE PLAZA THAT WE'RE GAINING TWO OR THREE FEET IN HEIGHT.

AND SO THIS PAVILION IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE FEET OF THE P ANYWAY, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THERE'S A OPTICAL ILLUSION HAPPENING.

IT'S NOT OPTICAL, IT'S, BUT THERE'S THE TREES AND THEN, ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.

IT'S ALL VERY SUBTLE TO THE HEAT GAIN ISSUE ON THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.

WE KNOW THAT TURF POTENTIALLY GETS HOTTER THAN EVEN ASPHALT.

YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS DEFINITELY NOTED.

HAVE YOU EXPLORED OTHER MATERIALS THAT WOULD BE, UM, HUMAN FRIENDLY, FAMILY FRIENDLY, WHETHER IT'S DECKING MATERIAL OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD, UM, UH, NOT HAVE THAT HIGH THERMAL MASS TEMPERATURE? YEAH,

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UM, STRATEGICALLY, I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT WE DID LOCATE THE TURF.

SO, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE THAT IT'S SORT OF TO THE SOUTH SIDE MM-HMM .

AND THAT'S WHERE THE LARGEST, UM, MOST MATURE TREES ARE.

SO THEY WILL BE CAST, YOU KNOW, SHADE WILL NATURALLY BE CAST OVER THAT LAWN MM-HMM .

FOR MUCH OF THE DAY.

AND THEN THE ONE ADJACENT TO THE STAGE IS ALSO UNDERNEATH THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE LARGER SHADE TREES MM-HMM .

UM, AND THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PARENTS AND FAMILIES IF YOU'RE ENJOYING A DRINK THAT THE KIDS CAN KIND OF RUN AROUND IN THAT, UM, IMMEDIATE AREA.

IN TERMS OF OTHER MATERIALS, JUST A SUGGESTION TO MAYBE AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT YOU EXPLORE SOME OTHER MATERIALS THAT WOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, BE COMFORTABLE AND BE MAYBE EVEN MORE MAINTENANCE FREE.

WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL KEEP PONDERING THAT BALANCE WITH THE DURABILITY.

AND SPEAKING OF SHADED TREES, HAVE Y'ALL DONE, UH, SHADE STUDIES ON THE PAVILION? YES, WE HAVE.

YES, WE HAVE.

AND IT, AND OKAY.

UH, SO YOU KNOW THAT THE HIGHER YOU GO, THE MORE THAT SHADE MOVES AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T END UP WHERE YOU NEED IT.

CORRECT.

RIGHT.

UM, FOOD TRUCKS, YOU MENTIONED FOOD TRUCKS.

WHERE DO THE FOOD TRUCKS GO? UM, SORRY, I WISH I HAD A QUICKER, BUT THE, UM, THE, THE LISA WONG, LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE.

GREEN BUTTON, THERE WE GO.

SO RIGHT IN THIS ZONE.

SO THIS, UM, THERE WILL BE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS HERE.

AND THIS WILL STILL BE ABLE TO ACT AS A THROUGH STREET FOR LOADING.

UM, SO THE, WE'RE PROVIDING FOOD TRUCK POWER THERE AND THERE, AND THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO TODAY.

IF YOU'VE EVER HAD JURY DUTY, YOU KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE FOOD TRUCKS LINE UP ALONG THERE.

UM, THERE IS A NEW BUT SEPARATE PROJECT TO INSTALL BIKE LANES ALONG THAT ENTIRE EDGE OF DOLE, SO THEY WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREET ITSELF.

MM-HMM.

SO WE'RE PROVIDING A PLACE FOR THEM, WE'RE ACCOMMODATING IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE, FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING WITH THE CONSERVANCY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE A MAJOR PROGRAM MM-HMM .

BUT, UM, SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO RUN GENERATORS.

SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

AND MY LAST ITEM PROMISE.

UM, I I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO SEE AN ELEVATION FROM COMMERCE, UH, FROM THE NORTH SIDE AND PARTICULARLY AT THE POINT WHERE YOU BEGIN TO SEE THE CATHEDRAL.

WHAT IS THAT VIEW SHED THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO SEE IT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE BUILDING WILL, UH, OBSCURE IT RIGHT NOW, THE TREES AND, YOU KNOW, FULL LEAFED WILL OBSCURE IT ALONG WITH THE, THE CANOPIES IN PLACE, BUT YOU STILL CAN SEE THE PLAZA, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO YOU BEGIN TO SEE THE PLAZA? AND I WOULD MAKE THAT REQUEST FOR, UH, YOUR FINAL APPLICATION.

OFFER OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION.

I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NONE TO THE TABLE.

DON'T SEE ANY.

GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

UM, MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF STIPULATIONS.

I'LL SECOND.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.

ONE MOMENT, MR. BEFORE YOU GO THERE ALSO, UM, SINCE I'M MAKING A MOTION, DO YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING? NO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND THE SECOND, GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIR.

UM, THE, UM, THE IDEA, THE GENERAL IDEA IS, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF LIKE ALMOST ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE FOR WHAT'S BEEN DONE THERE IN THE PAST.

UH, I, I, I TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER FETZER IS, IS, UH, UM, TALKING ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO A, A DUAL KIND OF A, A HEIGHT, UH, IN THE, UM, THE PAVILION AREA.

AND, AND I, I MEAN, JUST, JUST UNDERSTANDING IT IN THE, IN THE WAY THAT I WOULD SEE IT, IT, IT SEEMS TOTALLY POSSIBLE THAT, THAT THE CENTRAL BUILDING COULD BE LOWER.

UH, BUT, BUT ONE WOULD ASK WHAT WOULD THAT ACHIEVE IT FROM THE WAY THAT I, I SEE IT IF I'M, IF I'M, I, UH, IMAGINING THAT PERHAPS THERE'S A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOME TRANSPARENCY AND, AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT DONE BY LOWERING THE TOP ROOF, BUT BY LOWERING THE, THE, THE BUILDING ROOF THAT ENABLES YOU TO SEE THROUGH.

BECAUSE GETTING TO, I THINK WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, SAVINA WAS ALLUDING TO AS WELL, SHE PROBABLY HAS PROBABLY MUCH MORE SPECIFIC, UM, IDEAS.

BUT THE IDEA THAT COMING DOWN COMMERCE STREET, THE CATHEDRAL IS GONNA BECOME, UH, YOU, YOU WON'T KNOW IT'S THERE, UM, UNTIL YOU PASS IT.

SO IT MAY NOT BE, UH, REQUESTING A MAJOR ALTERATION TO THE SPIRIT OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED.

IT.

I MEAN, I'M SURE I, I KNOW THAT IT'S A,

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ANY CHANGE IS A DIVORCE, UM, BUT, UH, THE IDEA THAT A, THAT THAT THERE COULD BE AN EXPERIMENT, A STUDY OF HOW TO MAKE THAT, THAT OBJECT MORE TRANSPARENT.

SE SECONDLY, I THINK GETTING ALSO TO, TO THE POINT OF THE CATHEDRAL, UH, LOOKING AT THE PLAN, I THINK IT'S PAGE 16.

IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE 16, YOU KNOW, UH, THE PLAN IS A VERY, UH, UM, TELLING, UM, UH, DRAWING AND THE, THERE THERE'S ALMOST NO RECOGNITION THAT THE CATHEDRAL, UH, AS A, AS A I AS AN OBJECT, NOT AS A RELIGIOUS, UH, UH, BUILDING, BUT AS AN OBJECT THAT, THAT IT HAS A PARTICULAR ACCESS POINT TO IT.

AND IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S AN INCREDIBLY MISSED OPPORTUNITY WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THAT THE, THE, THE, UH, PLAZA IS LAID OUT IN THAT IT ALMOST, LET'S JUST SAY SECULARIZES THE, THE, UM, PLAZA, WHICH WOULD BE, IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE MISTAKE THAT THAT, THAT IN A WAY TO IGNORE THAT PROBABLY THE MOST TWO, THE, PROBABLY THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT DOORS OR FIRST PRIMARY, MOST IMPORTANT OR SECOND MOST IMPORTANT DOORS IN THE CITY ARE COMING OUT OF THE, THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING.

AND THAT, THAT ONE, ONE CAN ONLY ASK WHAT DO YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE WALKING OUT OF THAT BUILDING? AND, AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE A MAJOR POINT OF DESIGN.

UM, UH, THE, UM, SO, SO TO TO TO TO TO, TO ASK FOR STUDY AND EMPHASIS IN THAT ARENA.

AND MOST DEFINITELY WITH RESPECT TO WHAT ONE EXPERIENCE IS COMING FROM COMMERCE STREET, THAT WE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ASK FOR THERE TO BE SOME STUDY AND TRANSPARENCY.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THERE WERE SOME CAN WE RESPOND TO THAT BRIEFLY? YES, GO AHEAD.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

AND THE, THE AXES IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

JUST, UM, WE HAD EXTENSIVE PLANS, UH, OR DIAGRAMS DEMONSTRATING THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE VIEW CORRIDORS, WHICH I'M NOT SURE MADE IT INTO THE SET, BUT THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

BUT JUST TO POINT OUT A FEW OF THOSE.

SO OF COURSE, ORIGINALLY THE PLAZA WAS MUCH LARGER AND ENCOMPASSED ALL THE WAY TO THE COURTHOUSE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THE PLAN TAKES, AND SO OF COURSE THE RELIGIOUS SIDE OF IT WAS ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT, BUT SO WAS THE CIVIC AND THE COMMERCIAL AND THE RESIDENTIAL.

SO THIS, UH, SORRY, MY THING IS SHAKY.

THIS IS THE ACCESS, UM, VERY INTENTIONALLY TO ALIGN WITH THE COURTHOUSE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WE KEPT, UM, THIS IS THE PORTAL.

SO THE SIDE FROM THE RIVER KEEPING THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ACCESS POINT, KEEPING THE FACE OF THE CATHEDRAL AND THEN ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THIS IS THE MOST PROMINENT VIEW THAT YOU GET FROM COMMERCE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE PEELED THE BUILDING BACK TO ALLOW FOR THESE VIEWPOINTS BACK IN.

SO, UM, I'LL SEE IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO ADD.

THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE ARCHDIOCESE AND FATHER CARLOS, WHO'S THE RECTOR OF THE SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL, SERVES ON OUR BOARD AND HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

UM, AND THAT OVERALL EVERYBODY IS, CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS PROJECT TO BEGIN.

SO, WELL, MR. CHAIR, LET ME, CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE BUILDING? BUILDING TOO? SURE.

SO, UM, THE RESTAURANT IS LARGELY GLASS AND IT'S, UM, THE PART THAT'S ENCLOSED TO HIDE THE MESSY KITCHEN AND THINGS PEOPLE DON'T WANNA SEE IS ACTUALLY DROPPED.

SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, WE'VE, WE HAVE DONE SOME, SOME QUITE EXTENSIVE STUDIES ABOUT THAT VIEW FROM COMMERCE STREET.

'CAUSE WE KNOW IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR PEOPLE TO GET THAT FIRST WOW MOMENT GLIMPSE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY COME UP COMMERCE STREET.

SO, UM, YEAH.

SO THERE IS A HYPE DIFFERENCE THERE TO HOPEFULLY HELP WITH THAT TRANSPARENCY.

AND, AND MR. CHAIR, JUST, JUST COMMENT TO THEM, UH, THE, THOSE DETAILS ARE, ARE REAL IMPORTANT AND THE, THE WAY THAT YOU, WITH THE, WITH THE LASER AND ALL THAT , UH, WELL, IT'S VERY THOUGHTFUL.

I CAN'T SEE IT LIKE THAT.

RIGHT? THE WAY WITHOUT, WITHOUT THAT, UH, I WOULD STILL DIG INTO THE TRANSPARENCY A BIT AND THE, THE PRIMARY OF THE, OF THE CATHEDRAL COMING OUT IS A STRAIGHT LINE, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THE ANGLE LINE, BUT I THINK THE, MAYBE THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE COULD BE DONE TO BE AS, AS, UH, OBVIOUS AS WHAT YOU DID HERE.

MAYBE PUSH IT A LITTLE FURTHER IF TIME ALLOWS YOU TO.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

I'LL ASK, UM, GO BY ONE MORE TIME FOR COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE COMMENTS OR ANYTHING.

AND THEN BEFORE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE, SO COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO QUESTIONS.

NO COMMENTS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ZUKA.

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NO COMMENT.

NO COMMENTS RIGHT NOW, SIR.

YES, I HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION.

NO, SIR.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

IT'S A DA UH, FRIENDLY.

OBVIOUSLY YOU FOCUS ON THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S CRITICAL, BUT IS THERE AN AREA FOR PET FRIENDLINESS? ? IT'S OUTSIDE.

THE PETS CAN BE EVERYWHERE.

SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH, OR THE POINT OF THE DAY PORTER, IS TO HELP CLEAN UP WITH, UH, MAYBE INCONSIDERATE PETS OR OWNERS.

WELL, EXACTLY.

THAT'S WHY I WAS, UH, MY ESSENCE OF MY QUESTION, BUT A SECTION FOR, YOU KNOW, LITTLE PETS TO THEIR AREA.

IT WAS CONSIDERED EARLY IN PROGRAMMING WITH THE CONSERVANCY WHEN WE CAME UP WITH AN INITIAL MASTER PLAN AND IT FELL MUCH LOWER TO THE LIST IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES HA HAVING MOSTLY TO DO WITH EVENTS IN A CIVIC AREA AND NOT YET AS MANY RESIDENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY.

I HAVE NO COMMENTS MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER MAYMAN, NO COMMENTS.

THANK YOU VICE CHAIR FETZER.

UM, OTHER THAN I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE HOW THE PLANS DEVELOP AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, COME BACK TO DRC OR MULTIPLE DRCS AS YOU DEVELOP THE PLANS TO SEE HOW, UH, HOW IT WORK, HOW IT'S DEVELOPED, AND TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND COMMISSIONER SABINO, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM? UH, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

UM, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR INPUT.

UM, THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT'S AND CONSERVANCY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.

WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.

UH, ZER.

AYE AND GIBBS? AYE.

COMMISSIONER HOLLAND.

MOTION CARRIES.