Nov 20, 2019 Historic Design and Review Commission on 2019-11-20 3:00 PM

THAT'S TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17TH.

THAT'S GONNA BE TOWARDS THROUGH THE, UH, LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE PEARL AREA.

SO THAT SHOULD BE FUN.

UM, AND THEN OUR MOST POPULAR EVENT, UM, IS, UM, THE HOLIDAY LIGHTS TOUR OF DOWNTOWN.

UM, MEETING AT, UH, TRAVIS PARK.

UH, THERE IS A SMALL REGISTRATION FEE FOR THIS ONE.

UM, MORE INFORMATION IS@SAPRESERVATION.COM.

UH, BUT YOU GET A LOT OF PERKS OUT OF, UH, YOUR $15 REGISTRATION.

UM, AND THEN QUICKLY, I WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE TURKEY IN THE ROOM.

UM, THIS IS SALLY, THE SALVAGED MATERIALS TURKEY.

UM, SHE IS HERE AS A LITTLE BIT OF OUTREACH ABOUT OUR, UM, ONGOING DECONSTRUCTION AND SALVAGE PROGRAM.

UM, STEPHANIE PHILLIPS, ONE OF OUR H C R C CASE MANAGERS, UM, HAS BEEN SPEARHEADING THAT PROGRAM AND WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN THE COMMUNITY AND ARE DEVELOPING SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS AND POLICY.

UM, SO SALLY WAS MADE OF RECLAIMED HISTORIC BUILDING MATERIALS BY MEMBERS OF O H P STAFF OUTSIDE OF OFFICE HOURS.

AND, UH, RECENTLY, UM, THIS WEEKEND AT SOLAR FEST, SHE WAS PARDONED FROM THE LANDFILL, LANDFILL BY, UH, MAYOR RON NUREMBERG.

UM, SO SHE'S OUR GOOD REMINDER THAT WE ALL, UH, PLAY A ROLE IN, UM, REDUCING LANDFILL WASTE.

AND SO, UM, HATS OFF TO STEPHANIE AND JESS WHO'S HERE, WHO, UH, WORKED HARD ON PUTTING THE TURKEY TOGETHER.

['A' CONSENT AGENDA]

UM, SO WE HAVE A FEW ITEMS ON THE SCREEN.

UM, ITEMS A ONE THROUGH A FOUR.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THOSE ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR CONSENT.

AGENDA ITEM A ONE, A TWO, A THREE,

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AND A FOUR.

ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

SAY NAY.

MOTION PASSES YOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 22 EAST HOUSTON, 1422 EAST GRAYSON FIVE 17 EAST HOUSTON, AND 2 45 LA SOYA.

YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE YARD SIGNED, PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER AT, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

[A-5 19-8669 Address/Description: 1212 E EUCLID AVE 813 E MYRTLE, 823 E MYRTLE, 825 E MYRTLE 1216 E EUCLID AVE, 1218 E EUCLID 818 E LOCUST HDRC Case No.: 2019-620 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Michele Haussmann/Land Use Solutions LLC Request: Construction of a 10-story, mixed-use structure City Council Dist.: 1]

VISUAL ITEMS A FIVE.

AGENDA ITEM, A FIVE H D R C CASE NUMBER, 20 19 6 20 12 12 EAST EAST EUCLID, EIGHT 13 EAST MYRTLE 8 25 EAST MYRTLE, 8 23 EAST MYRTLE, 1216 AND 1218 EAST U EAST EUCLID AND EIGHT 18 EAST LOCUST.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 10 STORY MIXED USE STRUCTURE TO FEATURE 325 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND FIRST FLOOR RETAIL.

THE APPLICANT IS NOTED STRUCTURED ONSITE PARKING FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL USES.

THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION IS LOCATED ON THE LOTS BOUNDED BY EAST EUCLID, EAST MYRTLE, EAST ELMIRA, AND EAST LOCUST.

HOWEVER, IT EXCLUDES THE LOT AT THE CORNER OF EAST MYRTLE AND EAST ELMIRA.

PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION IS LOCATED WITHIN RIO TWO AND WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF 120 FEET.

STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH T.

THERE ARE STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE APPLICANT.

COME FORWARD PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

I'M MICHELLE HOUSEMAN WITH LAND USE SOLUTIONS REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 0 3 NORTHWEST MILITARY HIGHWAY.

THE APPLICANT AGREES TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDED STIPULATIONS.

OUR TEAM MET WITH THE D R C ON TWO OCCASIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND HAVE AN OVERVIEW PRESENTATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PRESENT.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

AGAIN, THERE'S NO HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.

WOULD RUN THROUGH THE OVERVIEW PRESENTATION PLEASE.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE, UH, ELMIRA AT MYRTLE PROJECT.

WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS AFTERNOON.

THE DEVELOPER IS SABO DEVELOPMENT, JIM YOUNG, THE ARCHITECT IS GINSLER AND LAND USE SOLUTIONS.

MY COMPANY PREPARES THE APPLICATIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW REZONING AND CONDUCTED THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROCESS.

THE, UM, PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS FOR H D R C CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS, WHICH THE APPLICANT AGREES TO.

WE CONDUCTED A COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROCESS WITH THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, WHICH SUPPORTED A, UH, SORRY, SUBMITTED A SUPPORT LETTER TO, UM, MR. HALL AND TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS AS WELL.

I MET WITH SILVER VENTURES AND MAILED LETTERS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE, UH, PROPERTY PRIOR TO FILING ANY OF THESE APPLICATIONS.

AND THOSE THAT REACHED OUT TO ME, MR. DICK TIPPS OWNS PROPERTY IN THE AREA.

UM, HE RECOMMENDED SUPPORT AS WELL.

UM, SOLAR THERAPY, WHO'S A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE AREA REACHED OUT AND I SUBMITTED INFORMATION AND SOJO CROSSING TOWN HOMEOWNERS, WHICH ARE ACROSS MYRTLE.

UM, WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM ON THE PROJECT AS WELL.

SO WHERE THE BLUE STAR IS, IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARY.

THE PROPERTY IS BOUND BY FOUR STREETS, MYRTLE, ELMIRA, EUCLID, AND LOCUST.

THAT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER FROM THE PEARL BREWERY.

THERE ARE STRUCTURES ON THE SITE, AND I'LL GO THROUGH SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF EACH ONE OF THESE.

UM, AND WORKING WITH MR. HOLLY SUGGESTED THAT WE FILED DEMOLITION APPLICATIONS EARLY IN THE PROCESS FOR THE HISTORIC REVIEW.

SO THERE'S NO HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE ON ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR STRUCTURES.

THEY'RE ALL COMMERCIAL USES, NO SINGLE FAMILY ON THE SITE.

AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF USES FROM, UH, FLEA MARKET STORAGE TO THE CUBES OF THE QUONSET TO PINKY SHAVED ICE, WHICH IS THE FOOD TRUCK THAT MOST PEOPLE KNOW THIS PROPERTY AS.

AND THESE ARE THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SITE.

MOSTLY, UM, INDUSTRIAL LOOKING COMMERCIAL TYPE STRUCTURES.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN, IN THE RIO TOO, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY.

THE DEMARCATION LINE.

YOU SEE THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF EUCLID ARE IN RIO, TWO ALONG WITH THE PEARL.

AND THEN THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, UM, ARE

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NOT IN THE RIO TWO.

AND THE RIO TWO ALLOWS THE 120 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

AND WE ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY B O A VARIANCES TO INCREASE THAT HEIGHT.

THE PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN YOU SEE IN THE DARK BROWN.

IT IS A HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE DESIGNATION.

THE CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR APPROVED THE MIDTOWN LAND USE PLAN AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH ALSO IN THE DARK PURPLE DESIGNATES THE PROPERTY AS A REGIONAL HIGH DENSITY MIXED USE.

THE DEVELOPMENT DETAILS, IT'S ONE AND A HALF ACRES.

UH, THE MIX, IT IS A MIXED USE PROJECT WITH RETAIL ON THE GROUND FLOOR, MULTIFAMILY ON THE UPPER FLOORS THERE ARE 325 UNITS, 14,000 FEET OF RETAIL ONSITE STRUCTURED PARKING, AND 10 STORIES AND 120 FEET IN HEIGHT.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT GINSLER PUT TOGETHER, AND YOU'LL SEE THE REDDISH COLOR ON MYRTLE AND ON ELMIRA ARE THE RETAIL SITES.

AND THE ORANGE COLOR IS THE MULTIFAMILY LEASING OFFICE.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS ON ALL EDGES OF THE PROPERTY.

THE THE CORNER PROPERTY, AS MR. HALL MENTIONED, IS KNOWN AS A LOZANO TRACT.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THIS CASE, BUT NOW IT IS E EXCLUDED AND THEY'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT THEIR FUTURE PLANS FOR THEIR PROPERTY.

SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CORONER NOW.

AND SO GINSLER, UH, REDESIGNED AND PULLED BACK THE PROJECT.

AND ORIGINALLY WE HAD AN ACCESS POINT ONTO MYRTLE, WHICH WAS FOR SERVICE ONLY.

AND THROUGH OUR WORK WITH THE D R C, WE HAVE NOW ELIMINATED THAT ACCESS POINT AND WE HAVE JUST A SERVICE ACCESS ON ELMIRA.

SO IN WORKING WITH THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND PEOPLE IN THE AREA, THEY WALK DOWN MYRTLE STREET TO THE PEARL OVER THE BRIDGE.

SO NOW THERE WILL NOT BE AN ACCESS, UM, POINT FOR VEHICLES.

IT'LL JUST BE A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WAY.

THIS IS AN EXHIBIT THAT GENSLER PUT TOGETHER.

I THINK THAT WAS HELPFUL IN OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS WHERE IT IS TOPOGRAPHICALLY ACCURATE.

AND IF YOU'RE IN THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, LOOKING BACK TOWARD THE BUILDING, THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE THE SELLERS AND, UH, ARE IN THE BACKGROUND.

THE OFFICE BUILDING FOR THE PEARL AND HOTEL EMMA.

SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, WHAT IN REALITY IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THE, THIS IS A STREET SCAPE IMAGERY THAT GENSLER PUT TOGETHER.

IT WILL HAVE 10, UH, 15 TO 25 FOOT SIDEWALKS WITH STREET TREES, LANDSCAPING, OUTDOOR SEATING, HOPEFULLY RESTAURANT COFFEE SHOP.

SO, UM, A LOT OF ATTENTION WAS PAID TO, UM, THE STREET SCAPE EXPERIENCE.

SO THE RIO TWO OBJECTIVES, UM, JIM SHELTON WITH GENSLER AND CAMERON KRAUS ARE GONNA BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THE OBJECTIVES OF RIO TWO, WHICH ARE THE MASSING, THE BAY CHEF, CAT MATERIALITY, STREET SCAPES, AND MIXED USE.

THE FACADE AND REALLY PLAY WITH SHADOW ON THAT FACADE AS WELL.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THEM.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, UH, JIM SHELTON, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF GANSLER SAN ANTONIO.

AND CAMERON KRAUS, TECHNICAL DESIGNER FOR THE PROJECT.

I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO CAMERON TO GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL ON THE NEXT SLIDE.

OR, UH, WE'D LOVE TO SET OUT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS IN THE RIO.

TWO OBJECTIVES THAT WE'D LIKE TO COVER IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES.

UM, THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING, HOW IT'S COMPOSED IN MULTIPLE PARTS OF BAY SHAFT CAP MATERIALITY, UH, USE OF MASONRY, CONTINUING THAT LEGACY IN THE AREA AND IN SAN ANTONIO.

UM, STREET SCAPES, EXPANDED STREET SCAPES, A GOOD PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

AND THEN MIXES OF USE, UM, WITH THE AIM OF THE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UH, IN THE RIO TWO DISTRICT.

SO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU SEE THE OVERALL, UM, UM, DESIGN OBJECTIVES FOR ANY PROJECT THAT WOULD BE IN THE RIO TWO OVERLAY.

UM, SOME OF THOSE POINTS ARE THE HIGH DEN HIGHER DENSITY, UM, EXTENDING THE URBAN CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN.

THIS IS AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND THOSE TYPES OF, UM, STREET SCAPES AND LOOKS AND FEELS.

UM, THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE IS IMPORTANT IN A COUPLE OF THE GENERAL, UM, DESIGN OBJECTIVES AS WELL AS, UM, OPEN SPACE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.

UM, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, I'LL JUST GO STRAIGHT INTO, UM, SOME OF THE WAYS WE'VE CONCEPTUALIZED THE BUILDING.

IN TERMS OF MASSING.

WE'VE BROKEN DOWN THE, THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONSTITUENT PARTS, UM, VERTICALLY WITH DEEP RECESSES AND SETBACKS TO HELP, UH, MITIGATE THE HEIGHT OR THE STREET PRESENCE, THE STREET WALL PRESENCE, AND THEN HORIZONTALLY IN THE COMPOSITION OF THE BASE, THE SHAFT AND THE CAP.

UM, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR ON THIS IMAGE HERE WHERE WE HAVE THE LONGER FACADE ON LOCUST.

YOU CAN SEE TO THE LEFT WE HAVE A DEEP RECESS THAT KIND OF BREAKS THAT PART OF THE MASSING FROM THE REST OF THE BUILDING.

AND ON THE RIGHT WE HAVE A DEEP, UM, SETBACK, WHICH ALSO HELPS BREAK THAT PODIUM PIECE AWAY FROM THE UPPER PARTS OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN ON THIS LOCUST STREET, YOU CAN SEE EVEN ON THE DETAIL LEVEL, THE USE OF THE BALCONIES TO INSET AND TO PLAY WITH THE, UM, THE STREET WALL TO BREAK IT UP AND MOVE THAT FACADE LINE BACK FURTHER EVEN.

UM, AND TO ARTICULATE THE, ARTICULATE

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UM, ALSO WE BROUGHT UP THE CORNERS.

UM, SO THERE'S KIND A ARTICULATION OF A DIFFERENT VARIETY OF HEIGHT ALONG THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE MATERIALITY.

SO THE BRICK, BRICK IS LOWER IN AREAS, HIGHER IN SOME AREAS TO KIND OF GET THAT DEFINITION OF THAT SPACE.

AND THAT WAS FROM ONE OF OUR D R C MEETINGS.

UM, THAT WAS A COMMENT.

AND THEN AS WELL, THE OPENNESS OF THIS CORNER, WHICH IS THE GARAGE CORNER HAVING A PROMINENT ENTRY EXIT VISIBILITY, UM, IN THE PROJECT.

SO THIS IS, THIS, THIS IMAGE KIND OF CONVEYS THAT BASE SHAFT CAP ORGANIZATION, UH, WITH THE LIGHTER, UM, BRICK ON THE BASE, KIND OF BRIGHTENING UP THE STREET SCAPE AND SETTING SORT OF THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND THE SCALE OF THAT.

UM, THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ABOVE ARE IN THE WARMER BRICK TONE.

UM, AND THERE'S SOME PLAYS IN THE FACADE ABOUT GROUPING MULTIPLE LEVELS TOGETHER AND OFFSETTING THAT TO GIVE A PATTERN AND A RHYTHM THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND KIND OF CONDENSES THAT SCALE AGAIN.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY THE CAP IN THE MORE RECESSIVE COLOR AND THE DARKER MATERIAL, BUT ALSO A TRUE SETBACK, UM, TO EN EN ENHANCE THAT.

AND THE, THE LOWER LEVEL BASE IS KIND OF SCALED TO THE, THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.

SO YOU HAVE KIND OF THIS IDENTIFICATION OF THAT SMALLER SCALE AS WELL.

SO THE, THE STREET WALL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ADD ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, AND THAT BASE IS ENCAPSULATING BOTH THE RETAIL AND THE PARKING.

SO, UM, ON THE MATERIAL SCALE, GETTING DOWN INTO DIFFERENT SCALES, UM, WE'RE USING BRICK, WHICH HAS AN INHERENT HUMAN SCALE TO IT.

THE, THE MODULE, UM, BUT ALSO THE STREET SCAPES ARE SUPER IMPORTANT, UM, IN EXPRESSING THAT SCALE.

AND THAT'S, UM, SORT OF WHAT JIM WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, UM, THE PODIUM BEING EXPRESSED.

AND THESE, THIS INVERSION ON THE, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THE CLOSEST CORNER TO THE PEARL AND THE RIVER, UM, WHERE WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK AND WE INVERT THAT SORT OF DIAGRAM.

SO THERE'S COVERED PROTECTED SPACE AT THAT, AT THAT INTERSECTION.

UM, I THINK THIS SHOWS A TYPICAL STREET SCAPE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE A GENEROUS SIDEWALK AREA, UH, FOR PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT AS WELL AS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT PROVIDES AREA FOR STREET TREES, VEGETATION, UM, AS WELL AS STREET FURNITURE.

THINGS LIKE BENCHES, BIKE RACKS, UM, ALL THOSE AMENITIES THOUGH A GREAT STREET.

UM, BUT THIS IS THE MORE TYPICAL, UM, STREETSCAPE ON THIS SIDE, THE ELMIRA AND LOCUST STREET.

THIS IS WHERE WE PLAY MORE WITH THE SETBACKS ON THIS RETAIL CORNER TOWARDS THE RIVER, UM, AND PROVIDE EXTRA SPACE FOR ACTIVATION, UM, CAFE SEATING IF THAT'S THE WAY RETAIL GOES.

UM, AND A MORE GENEROUS BUILDING ENTRY POINT THAT IS THE SIDE THAT THE RIVER IS ON.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IMAGE SHOWS THE, THE TRACK THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, THE BLOCK ANYMORE.

AND THEN THE STREETSCAPE ON MYRTLE.

UM, THE ONE THING I WILL NOTE ON THIS IMAGE IS THAT THE, THE SERVICE DRIVE IS FLIPPED NOW FROM DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM MYRTLE TO ELMIRA STREET.

SO YOU CAN HAVE A CONTINUOUS PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE HERE.

AND ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE AGREED TO IS A LITTLE MORE ARTICULATION ON THAT LOWER LEVEL FACADE THAT ABUTS THE ADJACENT SITE.

UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT KIND OF FENESTRATION PATTERNS AND MATERIALITY IN THAT, IN THAT STRIP.

UM, IT'S PRETTY EXPOSED NOW THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ON THAT CORNER NOW THAT'S A, I THINK IT'S A HOTEL POTENTIALLY.

UM, SO THAT, THAT PIECE WILL PROBABLY GET COVERED UP.

BUT WE WILL, WE WILL WORK ON ARTICULATING THAT PIECE.

AND THIS IS ALSO THAT MYRTLE STREET SCAPE, UM, WHERE THE OTHER PART OF THE RETAIL EXISTS IN THE PROJECT.

UM, AND THAT CORNER THAT SETS BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FOR A PLACE FOR GATHERING AND, UM, MOVEMENT AROUND THE CORNER.

UM, THIS WAS FROM THAT D R C MEETING WHERE, UM, WE TOOK THE GOOD SUGGESTION ABOUT OPENING UP THAT PARKING GARAGE CORNER, WHICH WAS OTHERWISE A LITTLE BIT, UM, UNARTICULATED IO .

AND THEN THIS IS THE RETAIL CORNER, UM, TOWARDS THE RIVER IN PEARL, WHICH SETS BACK MORE FOR CAFE SEATING AND, UM, A MORE PLAZA SORT OF ENTRY POINT TO THE BUILDING OR AROUND THE BUILDING.

UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WAS THE PARKING CORNER FACADES, WHICH WOULD BE ON LOCUST AND EUCLID, UM, AND MAKING THAT FEEL REALLY A PART OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF MAKING THESE BRICK FRAMES THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THE, THE RETAIL FACADES.

AND THEN WITHIN THEM IN FILLING WITH A METAL PANEL THAT HAS A FAIRLY LOW LEVEL OF OPACITY SO YOU DON'T SEE THE CARS THROUGH THEM, BUT STILL PROVIDES THE VENTILATION THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE GARAGE.

AND SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE SAFETY ABOUT SIGNAGE, UH, ENTRY AND EXIT AND THEN ALSO MIRRORS.

THAT WAS A CONCERN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IN THIS WAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ACTUALLY FOR, FOR THE ARCHITECTS.

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION

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UH, YOU CAN ACT MAY BE ABLE TO, SORRY.

UM, SO THE, THE DARKER RECESSIVE MATERIAL, IS IT STUCCO OR IS IT METAL PANEL SYSTEM OR WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT AT AT THIS TIME? THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL, UM, WE'RE THINKING METAL PANEL.

YEAH, BUT IT, IT COULD BE EITHER.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, I THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS VERY DETAILED.

I THINK IT ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE STIPULATIONS AND IF YOU ALREADY AGREED TO THEM, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.

THANK YOU FOR A THOROUGH PRESENTATION AND REACHING OUT TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AND GETTING THEIR BUY-IN TO THE PROJECT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENT.

SECOND, UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

SORRY, SECOND.

AGENDA ITEM A SIX H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 69 17 14 THROUGH 1722 SOUTH ST.

I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[A-6 19-8629 Address/Description: 1714, 1720, 1722 S ST MARYS HDRC Case No.: 2019-669 Landmark Name: Commercial Building RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Patrick Christensen Request: Construction of a 3-story residential structure, a 4-story residential structure, exterior modifications, rehabilitation City Council Dist.: 1]

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE PERFORM SCOPES OF WORK TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES AT 7 14, 7 20 AND 7 22 SOUTH ST.

MARY'S TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF PAINT FROM THE HISTORIC BRICK FACADES, THE INSTALLATION OF NEW DOORS AND STOREFRONT SYSTEMS, THE INSTALLATION OF A STREET CANOPY, FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS AND PAINTING.

TWO, TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE TO FEATURE EIGHT RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT.

ADDRESS AT 1714 SOUTH ST.

ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS SHALL BE REQUIRED.

THREE TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR STORY RESIDENTIAL ADDITION TO FEATURE 16 RESIDENTIAL UNITS BEHIND THE STREET FACADE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 1720 SOUTH ST.

MARY'S AND FORWARD INSTALL A BLADE SIGN ON THE STREET FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 1714.

SOUTH ST.

MARY'S STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, VARIOUS SCOPES OF REHABILITATION AND EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS ONE A THROUGH ONE F WITH STIPULATIONS.

THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE NOTED IN DETAIL BELOW.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM ONE.

FOR ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS TWO, A THROUGH TWO K STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

THE ELEMENTS THAT STAFF IS REQUESTING THE APPLICANT ADDRESS ARE NOTED IN DETAIL BELOW THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FOUR STORY REAR ADDITION TO THE STRUCTURE AT 1720 SOUTH ST.

MARY'S BASED ON FINDINGS THREE A THROUGH THREE E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

THOSE ELEMENTS ARE ADDRESSED IN DETAIL BELOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

THE SIGNAGE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE BE INDIRECTLY ILLUMINATED OR FEATURE BACK LIGHTING.

LIGHTING OF THE PROPOSED SIGN SHOULD NOT RESULT IN A GLOWING CABINET.

THERE'S ALSO A STIPULATION IN ANOTHER COMMENT IN REGARDS TO ARCHEOLOGY.

THE ARCHEOLOGICAL SCOPE OF WORK SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHEOLOGISTS FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS.

THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY.

APPLICANT HERE PLEASE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, CITIZENS WHO BE HEARD.

GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.

MARY'S, SUITE 2,700, ALONG WITH CHRIS FELDMAN, THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.

I JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.

I'LL LET CHRIS TAKE OVER FOR THE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS.

THIS PROPERTY IS BEING REZONED TO I D Z.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TO THE ZONING COMMISSION, THE, BUT I WANNA EXPLAIN WHAT WE ASKED FOR.

SO WHAT WE ASKED FOR IS, UH, USES IN C TWO AND 39 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

NOW THERE WON'T, THERE WON'T BE COMMERCIAL USES PLUS 39 UNITS.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE PLAN ON BUILDING THE SECOND STORY AND ABOVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS FIRST, IF THERE'S ANY MARKET OR ANY DEMAND FOR THE COMMERCIAL, WE'LL USE THE GROUND FLOOR OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS OR ALL FOR COMMERCIAL USES, REMOVING THOSE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

SO THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT FOR YOU.

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AND THEN, UH, CHRIS, UH, FELDMAN, WE'LL KIND OF GO OVER SOME OF THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES THAT STAFF HAD CONCERNS WITH.

I THINK WE MIGHT HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE AMENABLE TO THIS BOARD.

OF THE, THE NORTHERNMOST BUILDING, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY BRICK, UM, SOME CLAY TILE EXPOSED, WE CAN TELL.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

UH, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, SORT OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DESIGN AND SOME OF THE FACADE CONSIDERATIONS.

ALSO THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, A D R C MEETING AND, AND SORT OF, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, EXHIBITS TO SHARE IN RESPONSE TO, UM, THE, UH, SOME OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.

SO HERE ARE THE THREE STRUCTURES, UM, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURES IF YOU CAN.

UM, AT THE CORNER, RIGHT AT ST.

MARY'S THERE.

AND THE, THE FURTHEST STRUCTURE ON THE LEFT IS THE, UH, EXISTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS PROPOSED, UH, TO REMAIN A TWO STORY STRUCTURE AND RENOVATED.

IT HAS SOME UNITS AND, AND POOR SHAPE, UM, BUT WOULD REMAIN LARGELY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, BUT AS PATRICK MENTIONED, WITH THE POTENTIAL OF SOME GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE STOREFRONT AREA, UM, DEPENDING ON DEMAND.

AND, UH, SO THE, THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT IS ESSENTIALLY A, UH, FALSE, WELL, IT'S A FACADE WITH A, UH, VERY KIND OF DILAPIDATED, ALMOST BARN ROOF STRUCTURE THAT'S FALLING DOWN BEHIND IT.

UH, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS TO SHARE FROM THE INSIDE OF THAT STRUCTURE TO AND ADDRESS, TO ADDRESS SOME OF, UH, STAFF'S COMMENTS AND QUESTION STIPULATIONS.

AND THEN FURTHER TO THE RIGHT, UH, IS CURRENTLY A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, UM, WHICH, UH, IS PROPOSED TO BE TURNED INTO BASICALLY A DUPLEX WITH A UNIT UP AND DOWN, UH, WHICH IS, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE AT SOME POINT IN THE HISTORY SOMEONE STARTED DOING THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT COMPLETE AND LARGELY ABANDONED.

UM, JUST TO SORT OF EXPLAIN THE STATE OF THESE BUILDINGS, UM, THERE ARE SOME TENANTS IN THE BUILDING FOR THIS TO THE LEFT ON THE SCREEN OR TO THE NORTH.

UH, THE OTHER ONES ARE, UH, WOULD SAY AFTER WALKING THROUGH THEM A A BIT OF A HAZARD.

AND SO, UH, IT IS, YOU KNOW, OUR DESIRE AND OUR CLIENT'S DESIRE TO, UM, BRING LIFE BACK INTO THESE BUILDINGS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, UH, INTRODUCE SOME ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND DENSITY, UM, ALONG THIS, THIS STRONG CORRIDOR THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, GREAT CONNECTIONS INTO DOWNTOWN.

SO, UM, BACK TO, OKAY, SO THIS, I COULD USED THIS DRAWING.

UM, OBVIOUSLY BUILDING FOR THIS ON THE LEFT, UH, THAT'S, THIS IS AN OLDER STREET VIEW, BUT I THINK IT HAD A CAR DRIVE THROUGH THE FRONT FACADE AT SOME POINT.

SO IT'S, IT'S BOARDED UP AT THE MOMENT.

UM, BUT WITH THE BUILDING ON THE FAR LEFT, AGAIN PROPOSING TO ESSENTIALLY RESTORE IT BASED ON, UH, HISTORIC PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE, UM, OF WHAT THE STOREFRONT, WHAT THE FACADE LOOKED LIKE, ALSO THE INTRODUCTION OF, OR REINTRODUCTION, I GUESS, OF AN AWNING TO IT.

UM, AND THEN THIS, AND THEN I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH FOR IT.

I SORT OF COVERED THIS IN THE AERIALS AND PROJECT LOCATION.

UM, THAT'S BRACKEN RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL, ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS ST.

MARY'S FROM IT.

UM, HERE'S THE EXISTING, UH, SURVEY HERE.

UH, AND SO JUST TO MENTION IN SOME EARLIER ITERATIONS THAT WE'VE MODIFIED AFTER MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WE HAD PROPOSED SOME RESIDENTIAL LOT, NINE IS A PART OF IT.

UM, AND IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED TO BE PARKING.

UM, AND SO REALLY THE GOAL, UM, WAS TO PUSH SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY AND RESIDENTIAL UNITS TOWARDS ST.

MARY'S, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HAS KIND OF HIGHER TRAFFIC VOLUME AND THEN USE THE PARKING WITH, YOU KNOW, HIGHER FENCES AND PLANTING TO HELP BUFFER FROM, UH, SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES DOWN DOWN JACOBS.

UM, SO AGAIN, JUST TO SORT OF, I COVERED SOME OF THIS ALREADY.

UM, BUILDING TWO ON THE FAR LEFT, AGAIN, RESTORE THAT FACADE, REPLACE WINDOWS.

UM, AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER, WE'RE HERE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO OBVIOUSLY WORKING THROUGH THE DETAILS, UH, AT FINAL APPROVAL.

UM, AND THEN, AND THEN IT KIND OF, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE CENTER ONE AGAIN, RESTORING THE FACADE, UH, AT STOREFRONT LEVEL AT STREET LEVEL.

AND THEN, UH, WE'LL GET INTO KIND OF THE NEXT ONES.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO VERTICAL.

AND THEN THE ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT IS REALLY JUST A, REALLY A RESTORATION OF, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AS BEING ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING.

WE DO HAVE SOME, SOME GREAT OLD PHOTOS, OBVIOUSLY, UH, IN IMAGE B, UM, ON THE LEFT THAT THERE'S, THAT HOUSE IS NO LONGER THERE.

UM, AND IS CURRENTLY SORT OF A OVERGROWN PARKING LOT.

I THINK THAT SERVES ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL, SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

UM, IMAGE ALONG THE BOTTOM THERE.

IT'S KIND OF SHOWING THE BACK OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING, UM,

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UH, AND ALONG THE, UH, THE FACADE, UM, IMAGE OR NOTE NUMBER 10 DOWN THERE, UM, ADDING STOREFRONT THAT WRAPS, UM, UM, WRAPS INTO THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BECOME A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ON THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS, UM, TO, TO INTRODUCE AN ALLAY BETWEEN THE, THE NEW BUILDING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THE TWO STORY NEW BUILDING ON THE NORTH PARKING LOT AND THE EXISTING TWO STORY, UM, BUILDING AS SHOWN THERE.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME UPDATED EXHIBITS, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH WHAT WAS SUBMITTED JUST 'CAUSE IT'LL HELP CLARIFY, UH, SOME OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS.

UM, AND COMMENTS.

UM, SO AGAIN, STARTING ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, THE TWO STORY, UH, BUILDING COULD BE TURNED INTO DUPLEX.

UM, THE EX THE EXISTING CALL IT ONE STORY BUILDING WAS SORT OF THE FALSE FACADE.

THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO UP AND HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR STORIES.

UM, AND THEN THE EXISTING TWO STORY BUILDING HAS, I THINK WE'RE AT EIGHT UNITS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THEN SOME GROUND FLOOR UNITS, AGAIN, WITH THE OPTION, AS PATRICK MENTIONED, FOR GROUND FLOOR, SOME GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL.

AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING, UM, ON THE FAR NORTH, WHICH IN THIS IMAGE IS ALSO SHOWING, UM, OR LIMITED TWO AND A HALF STORIES, WHICH SHOWING SORT OF A, A ROOFTOP ELEMENT, UH, WHICH WE HAVE, WE'VE SIMPLIFIED AND MODIFIED I THINK JUST TO, ESPECIALLY AT THIS PHASE OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT THE ACTUAL ARCHITECTURE WAS READING CLEARLY AND THAT, UM, WE COULD, WE COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE DATU QUESTIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT CAME UP THROUGH THE D R C PROCESS.

JUST SHOWING THE FLOOR PLANS AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, VERY PRELIMINARY SORT OF UNIT LAYOUTS FOR THE NEW, UM, THE NEW TWO STORY STRUCTURE.

UH, SO THIS WAS THE INITIAL, UM, UH, ELEVATION, UH, PROPOSED.

UH, AND I, WE WILL, I'LL SHOW YOU SORT OF THE REVISED ONE, BUT JUST TO EXPLAIN KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF, OF SOME OF THE MASSING.

UM, THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THE, UH, GOING VERTICAL FOR THE OVERALL TOTAL OF FOUR STORIES IS, UM, IS BORDERED UP BY EXISTING BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE AND NOT, AND HAS LESS VISIBILITY, I GUESS TO THE, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WAS ALSO SORT OF THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MORE UNITS AND, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY TO THE PROPERTY.

UM, BECAUSE THAT BUILDING HAS REAL, NO, REALLY NO INTERIOR TO SPEAK OF, IT'S FALLING DOWN THE SLAB IS, IS, IS FALLING APART.

SO IT'LL ESSENTIALLY, UM, NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT.

UM, AND, UH, AND THEN AGAIN FOR THE BUILDING IN THE SOUTH, THE DUPLEX AND THEN THE EXISTING BRICK BUILDING, RESTORING THOSE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN FIND, AT LEAST BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONTS WITH AND WITH AWNINGS, WHICH THERE'S HISTORY AND, AND SOME REC UH, UH, EVIDENCE OF, UH, ON THE FAR LEFT WITH A NEW BUILDING.

I MEAN, THE INITIAL STRATEGY REALLY WAS TO, UM, DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND WHAT'S PROPOSED NEW.

SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION THERE.

RATHER THAN IT FEELING LIKE IT'S AN EXTENSION OF, UM, OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WHERE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT IT, WHAT'S OLD AND WHAT'S NOT.

UH, WE HAVE SIMPLIFIED AND THE, AND THE, AND THE UPDATED EXHIBITS, AND I'LL SHARE THOSE SHORTLY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE ELEMENTS WE'RE READING.

I THINK ALSO TO PICK UP AND, AND FURTHER EMPHASIZE SOME OF THE DATU HEIGHT CONNECTIONS, UM, AND ALSO, UH, WINDOW, UH, PROPORTIONS RELATIVE TO THE OLDER, UH, HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

IT SHOWS THAT INSIDE THAT SORT OF, THAT INTERIOR, UH, FACADE OF THE TWO STORY EXISTING, TWO STORY BUILDING WITH THE INTRODUCTION AND, AND POTENTIAL OF HAVING SOME COMMERCIAL SPACES THAT OPEN OUT INTO, I'LL GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN BRIEFLY, OR SORRY, THE ELEVATION.

UH, MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY LA THAT YOU COULD ENTER INTO UNITS.

YOU COULD ALSO INTERACT AND BE ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN INTRODUCE SOME TREES OR, OR, OR BIKE RACKS OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I THINK JUST TO EMPHASIZE, IF YOU HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH TIME ON THAT PART OF THE STREET, YOU KNOW, UH, OR ON THAT PORTION OF SOUTH ST.

MARY'S IS, IS A, IT'S, IT'S NOT AT THIS POINT REALLY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.

I THINK SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND THAT WE HOPE THIS PROJECT KIND OF KIND OF HELP WITH IS INTRODUCING A LITTLE BIT BETTER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, BETTER SAFETY, UM, THAT THEN WRAPS AND, AND STARTS TO REALLY CREATE THAT CONNECTION BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE PROPOSING SORT OF THAT, THAT PEDESTRIAN RELIEF ESSENTIALLY IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS DURING THE SOUTH FACADE OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED DUPLEX WITH THE MASSING OF THE, UH, UM, FOUR STORY BUILDING BEHIND IT.

THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE REAR, UM, FOR THOSE WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE, UH, THE ELEVATION FROM THE PARKING AREA, THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA, AND SOME EARLY, YOU KNOW, THREE

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D CONCEPTUAL VIEW.

UM, JUST TO TRY TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, DEFINITION AND EXPLANATION TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THE, ON THE NEW TWO STORY.

AND ON THE FOUR STORY OR THREE STORY EDITION, I'D SAY THREE STORY.

'CAUSE THERE'S AN EXISTING ONE STORY, BUT THREE ADDITIONAL STORIES TO CLARIFY.

OH, THIS, OKAY, GREAT, THANK YOU.

UM, SO I WANTED TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO TO ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE D R C AND ALSO FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, AND THEN CAN OBVIOUSLY OPEN UP TO, TO QUESTIONS.

UH, THIS, THIS IS THE, THE SITE PLAN AS PROPOSED, UM, WHICH ESSENTIALLY HAS NOT, DID NOT CHANGE SITE PLAN, AT LEAST THESE ARE PHOTOS OF THAT, THAT BUILDING.

UM, IN THE UPPER LEFT, UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S FROM ST.

MARY'S JUST KIND OF SHOWING LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S REALLY JUST A THIN FACADE AND THEN SORT OF A, A PITCHED ROOF BEHIND IT.

SO THE STRUCTURE BEHIND IT, IT DOESN'T RELATE AND FORM TO THE FRONT FACADE.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE INSIDE, UH, EVERYTHING'S REALLY ROTTEN OUT AND, AND MOST OF THE WALLS, UM, ARE, MANY OF THE WALLS ARE FALLING DOWN.

UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A, UH, THE SLAB IS IN REALLY POOR SHAPE AS WELL.

AND SO ONE OF STAFF'S, UM, I THINK STIPULATIONS WAS, UM, IF I COULD JUST, LET'S SEE.

UM, MATERIALS CONSTRUCT ADDITION THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN THE REMOVAL OF THREE OF THE FOUR ORIGINAL WALLS.

UM, REALLY THE ORIGINAL WALLS ARE, ARE NOT SALVAGEABLE FROM EVERYTHING WE CAN TELL AND ARE GONNA HAVE TO SORT OF START OVER ANYWAYS, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT FRONT FACADE, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT AND BUILD BEHIND IT.

UM, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD CONTEST THAT SORT OF THE, THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF IT.

AS YOU CAN KIND OF TELL FROM THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PIECE TOGETHER, SIDING ON THE REAR, THE SIDE, THE SIDE ADJACENT WALLS ARE FALLING DOWN AND THE ROOF STRUCTURE'S PRETTY MUCH A LOSS THAT, THAT THAT FOOTPRINT.

UM, OUR ABILITY TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS REALLY CRITICAL TO HAVING ENOUGH FLOOR AREA TO ACTUALLY FIT UNITS IN IT, UM, WITH THE VERTICAL CIRCULATION REQUIRED TO GET TO THEM.

UM, SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE, ONE ITEM, UM, THAT, UH, WE WANTED TO SORT OF CLARIFY AND WHY.

CAN I ASK A, A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT? WITH THE, UH, THE SHARED WALLS THAT, UH, THAT ARE ON EITHER SIDE THAT THE NORTH AND SOUTH WALLS, ARE THOSE INDEPENDENT OF THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS MIDDLE STRUCTURE? YES, SIR.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS ON THIS EXHIBIT BEFORE I, OR WE CAN COME BACK.

UM, AND SORT OF, THERE WERE ONE, A COUPLE OF THE OTHER, UH, STAFF, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND I'LL JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE.

UM, STARTING WITH, UH, THE BUILDING ON THE FAR LEFT, WHICH IS THE NEW PROPOSED TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS AN, UH, AN ENTRANCE THAT FACED ST.

AND, UH, AND DATUMS THAT WE WERE ALREADY TRYING TO, OR THAT WE WERE TRYING TO REFERENCE, BUT THEY WERE BEING SCREENED BY THE SCREEN ELEMENTS SO IT WASN'T READING AS STRONGLY.

UM, IN OUR ORIGINAL SCHEME, WE HAD NOT DONE THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A GROUND FLOOR UNIT THERE, UM, AND ORDER TO SORT OF HOPEFULLY PREVENT CONFUSION ON HAVING A, AN ENTRY DOOR.

WE SORT OF HAD THOSE MORE FACING TOWARDS THAT ALLAY WITH THE RESIDENTS.

UM, HOPE BEST INTEREST IN MIND, UM, IN TERMS OF ST.

MARY'S BEING SOMEWHAT OF A BUSY STREET, UM, AS A COMPROMISE AND HOPEFULLY A WAY TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.

WE HAVE INTRODUCED THE DOOR, WE'VE JUST SET IT BACK ON THE CORNER, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S THAT SORT OF, THAT FRONT FACING ELEMENT TO THE BUILDING, UM, THAT STILL GIVES THAT RESIDENT THE PRIVACY THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT TO HAVING THAT BE A VIABLE RESIDENTIAL UNIT.

UM, AND I, SO THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE ROOFTOP ELEMENT.

SO IN THIS WE HAVE, UM, JUST ELIMINATED THE ROOFTOP STRUCTURE.

I THINK WE WERE, WE WERE GETTING FEEDBACK THAT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO THE OVERALL MASSING OF IT.

OUR, OUR THOUGHT WAS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A LIGHTWEIGHT STRUCTURE.

BUT AT THIS POINT, UM, AGAIN, BEING MORE CONCERNED WITH MAKING SURE WE'RE CONVEYING THE OVERALL MASSING AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

UM, WE'VE REMOVED THAT ELEMENT IN RESPONSE TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, AND THEN ALSO KIND OF TAKING A LOOK BACK AT, UM, TAKING THE QUEUE FROM SORT OF A SIMILAR SCALE, UH, BUILDING ON THE FAR SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE STUCCO BUILDING AND PICKING UP ON THOSE, UM, UH, WINDOW SIZES AND PROPORTIONS, UH, FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE ON, ON THE LEFT AND PROPOSED STRUCTURE ON THE LEFT.

AND IT HAS ALSO THAT, THAT EXISTING, UH, THE, THE, WHAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A DUPLEX OR TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS DOES HAVE A BALCONY ELEMENT OFF, WHICH WE ARE ALSO SORT OF PICKING UP ON AND MIMICKING IN, UM, IN THE NEW TWO STORY PROPOSED STRUCTURE.

UH, THE NEXT WAS, UH, THE METAL SCREENING ELEMENT ON THE FRONT FACADE.

AGAIN, I THINK IN, IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM D R C AND STAFF, WE, UH, HAVE REVISED THAT AGAIN, JUST TO, TO KIND OF REFERENCE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE HISTORIC AND NOT, UM, NOT CONFUSE SOME OF THE, UH, THE PROPORTIONS

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SO THAT'S, UM, ALSO BEEN ADDRESSED.

UM, AND THEN THE WINDOW DETAIL AND SPECIFICATIONS WE'D OBVIOUSLY TAKE CARE OF DURING, UM, OR FINAL WITH REGARDS TO, UM, NUMBER THREE, AGAIN, WE MENTION, I MENTIONED AND SORT OF SHOW THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE CONDITION OF THAT BUILDING BEHIND THE FACADE.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT.

SO AGAIN, WE WOULD CONTEND THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY PERCEIVED FROM THE STREET OR REALLY FROM ANYWHERE EXCEPT MAYBE THE BACK PARKING LOT IS THAT MOVING THAT, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE EAST WALL FURTHER EAST TO GIVE US THE ROOM THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DO UNITS AS WE REBUILD THAT SLAB AND THE STRUCTURE ABOVE, UM, IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE'VE ALSO, UM, IN THIS PUSHED THAT FRONT FACADE BACK THAT WAS ALSO A REQUEST.

AND I KNOW IN THE ELEVATION IT MAYBE DOESN'T REALLY LIKE IT'S FURTHER BACK, WE'VE PUSHED, PUSHED AN ADDITIONAL TWO FEET BACK, SO IT'S THREE FEET OFF THE FRONT FACADE SO THAT AT STREET LEVEL THE EXPERIENCE, UM, WILL BE MUCH MORE THE HISTORIC FACADE WITH THE OTHER SETBACK.

UM, UM, ALSO FROM A MATERIALITY STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, I THINK IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO LOOK AT STUCCO OR OTHER MATERIALS, UM, FELT LIKE BRICK WOULD READ TOO STRONGLY UP THERE.

I THINK THAT WAS ONE.

UM, AND SO GOING WITH STUCCO, WHICH IS, IS PREVALENT ON THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, AND ELIMINATING THE SCREENS AS WELL, JUST TO SIMPLIFY IT OVERALL.

UM, OBVIOUSLY AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING MORE FOR, FOR MASSING FEEDBACK.

IS MY TIME UP ? UM, IS THAT THE GONG? I'M LIKE, ALRIGHT.

UH, UM, AND THEN ALSO PICKING UP AGAIN, GO LOOKING BACK AT SOME OF THE PROPORTIONS OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND USING THOSE ALSO PICKING UP ON THE, UM, THE LINES OF THE STOREFRONT, THE EXISTING STOREFRONT DOWN BELOW AND CARRYING THOSE UP TO THE WINDOW OPENINGS, UM, FOR, FOR THE UNITS UP ABOVE AND, AND THE BALCONIES THAT OPEN OUT ONTO THEM.

UH, AND JUST IN GENERAL, I THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS, THE, THE, THE THIRD STORY.

ESSENTIALLY WE'RE ADDING THREE STORIES ONTO WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, A STORY, ONE STORY STRUCTURE OR MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A STORY AND A HALF NOW, UM, IS, UH, IS REALLY CRITICAL TO GET, TO GET THAT UNIT COUNT, UM, AND, AND TO, YOU KNOW, HELP MAKE THIS THE, THE SITE, UM, UH, VIABLE.

AND, AND OBVIOUSLY ALSO A BIG PART OF THAT IS US RESTORING THREE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN OTHERWISE, UH, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLY POOR SHAPE.

AND SO IT HELPS MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

ANY QUESTIONS OR THINGS, OTHER THINGS THAT I CAN ADDRESS BEFORE WE GET TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS? WE HAVE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD.

YES, WE DO.

UH, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE.

MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, AND I'M READING THIS STATEMENT FROM THE SALVATION FROM THE SALVATION ARMY, FROM THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, OR THE NOW THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.

THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AT 17 14, 17 20 AND 1722 SOUTH ST.

WE SUPPORT THE PHASE ONE RESTORATION OF THE LANDMARK PROPERTY AT 1714 SOUTH ST.

MARY'S THAT WILL RETURN THE STOREFRONT TO ITS ORIGINAL ORIENTATION.

WE SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN PHASE TWO.

WE FURTHER SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE REDEVELOPMENT OF SEVEN 20 SOUTH ST.

MARY'S IN PHASE THREE.

THE LANDMARK BUILDING SHOULD BE PRESERVED AS A BUILDING, NOT MERELY A FACADE.

THE PROPOSED EDITION OFFERS NO SETBACKS AND ITS SCALE AND MASSING ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE STREET AND NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE SUPPORT THE RESTORATION OF 1722 SOUTH ST.

MARY'S IN PHASE FOUR.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.

PATTY ZZ, PRESIDENT CATHERINE DOSETTE.

ARE IN THIS FOUR STORY BUILDING.

MY NAME IS CATHERINE DOUCETTE.

I LIVE AT ONE 20 JACOBS STREET.

UM, I ACTUALLY SENT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY, I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF IT.

WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE APPLICANT RESTORING THESE OLD BUILDINGS.

THEY'VE BEEN VACANT FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

WHERE OUR MAJOR CONCERNS LIE

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AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A, A STARK CONTRAST TO WHAT IS THERE CURRENTLY.

UM, AND IT SEEMS TO BE, AND I KNOW, I KNOW CHRIS HAS WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS, IT SEEMS TO BE JUST SO MODERN AND NOT AT ALL IN KEEPING WITH WHAT IS THERE CURRENTLY, HISTORICALLY.

SO WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AND ALSO AGREE WITH, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND.

SO THANK YOU, MARK JUST SAID.

UH, THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, ONE OTHER THING TO ADD TO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS MANY UNITS AND THIS VERY SMALL STREET, UM, ST.

MARY'S IS VERY BIG BUSY STREET.

IT'S GREAT FOR TRAFFIC.

OUR STREET IS 19 FEET WIDE.

YOU CAN'T PARK TWO CARS ON IT AND STILL DRIVE THROUGH.

SO THERE'S NO PARKING LOT ON OUR STREET.

INTRODUCING THIS MUCH TRAFFIC IS A, WE WANT THAT, BUT HAVING THIS MANY UNITS MIGHT HAVE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC COME DOWN THE STREET THAT'S ALREADY TOO SMALL.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST LIKE MY WIFE'S CONCERN, THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS OUR BIG CONCERN.

UM, HAVING THE, YOU KNOW, NEW BUILDINGS BE RESTORED ARE GREAT.

WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S TOO MUCH FOR US.

THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

COME APPLICANT, COME BACK PLEASE.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I AM MORE THAN TALKING IN PHASES.

I'M LOOKING AT ITEM NUMBERS AS YOU HAVE REQUESTED ON YOUR APPLICATION.

SO ITEM NUMBER ONE IS THE, UH, ORIGINAL BUILDING WITH THE STOREFRONT, JUST THE BRICK ONE.

UM, SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU WERE, UM, DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY OF THE STIPULATION THERE, BUT I'M ASSUMING YOU AGREED WITH THEM.

THEY'RE PRETTY SIMPLE STIPULATIONS WITH THE BRICK AND STOREFRONT RESTORING.

OH YES, CORRECT.

WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER THAT THE, THE PRESENTED ELEVATIONS TODAY, UH, DO, UM, I THINK HELP THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESS, UH, MANY OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS.

YEAH, TAKE NO EXCEPTION.

AND THE ITEM NUMBER TWO I LIKE, WHICH IS THE, UH, STRUCTURE TO THE, TO THE LEFT, THE NEW TWO STORY.

I LIKE THIS UPDATED.

UM, I THINK YOU'VE COMPLIED WITH A LOT OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS.

I WOULD, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT I THINK YOU COMPLY WITH MOST OF THE STIPULATIONS OR AT LEAST YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS A MORE REALISTIC, I LIKE HOW YOU, UM, MIRRORED THAT WITH A BUILDING THAT'S ON THE RIGHT.

UM, ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE FOUR STORY BUILDING, UM, I TEND TO AGREE WITH STAFF AND ALSO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I KNOW YOU MADE SOME CHANGES AND I THINK THEY'RE GETTING THERE.

I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A WAY TO EXPLORE SOMEHOW BEING ABLE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, THAT MANY UNITS BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, ADDING FOUR STORY.

UM, AND THEN THE LAST ITEM, I GUESS IS JUST, UH, THE SIGNAGE, WHICH IS FINE.

YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE DID BRING, UM, KIND OF AN ADDITIONAL ALTERNATE, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, WHICH IS TRYING TO ELIMINATE ONE OF THE STORIES TO BRING THAT HEIGHT DOWN.

UM, THAT WAS THIS ALTERNATIVE, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO SHARE THIS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE FOR THIS DISCUSSION IS, IS, UH, WOULD BE THE IDEA OF, OF ELIMINATING ONE OF THE STORIES FROM WHAT WE'RE CALLING PHASE THREE.

SO THE TALLER VOLUME, UM, AND, AND BASICALLY CREATING AN EXTENSION, BUT A SEPARATED, UM, FOUR UNITS, UH, ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OVER THE PARKING LOT AREA.

UM, TO BRING DOWN THE SCALE, WHICH I THINK IT SEEMS IS THE, IS THE MAJOR OR STICKING POINT, UH, IN A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS.

SO BRING DOWN THE SCALE OF THAT, THAT FOUR STORY STRUCTURE DOWN TO THREE, AND THEN INTRODUCE BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF THAT PROPOSED TWO STORY STRUCTURE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO OFFSET THE UNITS THAT WE'RE LOSING ON THE TALLER STRUCTURE AND BRING DOWN THAT OVERALL SCALE.

UH, I THINK YOU'RE WORKING TOWARDS AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, IS LIKE, DO YOU SEE MORE OF THIS PROJECT US RE YOU RECEIVING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ALL ITEMS, OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACCEPT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ON SOME OF THE ITEMS AND THEN LEAVING THIS ITEM MAYBE TABLED FOR NEXT TIME? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO? AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO THAT, YES, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD ALTERNATIVE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED MORE DESIGN WORK AROUND IT TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT TODAY.

EVEN CONCEPTUALLY, THAT'S PART OF OUR GOAL HERE WITH THIS.

I MEAN, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAST MINUTE PART, IS JUST TRY TO GET SOME COMMENTS FROM Y'ALL, SOME FEEDBACK AND, YOU KNOW, HE HAS SOME DIRECTION GOING FORWARD ON DESIGN.

I WOULD AGREE

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I I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FOUR STORY, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK, UH, UM, HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO IF I COULD, UM, FOR ME, I, I WANNA APPLAUD WHAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR, YOUR INVESTMENT, YOUR TIME AND, AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR FINANCIAL INVESTMENT.

I, I PASS BY THE STREET DAILY.

UM, I WANT TO SAY AGAIN, I WANT TO APPLAUD YOUR VISION.

I I THINK YOU'RE REALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

UM, I COULDN'T EVEN ENVISION THIS MYSELF, SO TO SPEAK MM-HMM.

UM, BUT WHAT I, I WILL AGREE WHERE I TEND NOT TO AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE FOUR STORY UNIT AND, AND THEN I'M NEW TO THE COMMISSION, BUT AS FAR AS I I'M UNDERSTANDING OUR CHARGE HERE IS TO JUST DEEM WHAT IS HISTORIC, THE COMPONENTS THEREIN AND, AND KIND OF HOW YOU CAN MODIFY FROM AROUND THAT.

AND WHAT I'M SEEING, I I THINK YOU'RE AGAIN, REALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK, UM, DENSITY FOR ME.

I FEEL LIKE THAT, THAT SOME SOMEONE, SOMEONE ELSE NEEDS TO EVALUATE THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT, UM, UH, I, I LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING, UM, I, I WANNA COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, THEIR HARD WORK ON THIS.

I THINK THIS IS A, A, A VERY, UH, NEAT PROJECT IS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF TAKING THESE THREE BUILDINGS AND THEN, UH, ADAPTING THEM AND ADDING ONTO IT.

I LIKE THE, UH, BUILDING NUMBER ONE BEING SEPARATED OFF THE LA IT KIND OF, UH, CREATES A, A NEAT LITTLE MUSE OR LITTLE POCKET COURTYARD THERE THAT I THINK THAT'LL BE A NICE AMENITY EVEN TO, UH, PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, PASSING FROM THE, THE, UH, PARKING, UH, TO THE, THE STREET FRONTAGE.

AND, UM, I, I THINK THE, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU MADE TO THE MATERIALITY AND THE SCALE OF BUILDING ONE IS, IS HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WHILE, WHILE YOUR ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS VERY, UH, VERY, VERY ARTFUL, I THINK THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE WITHIN THIS CONTEXT.

SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S WORKING VERY NICE.

SO I APPLAUD YOU ON THAT.

AND I CONCUR WITH MY, UH, FELLOW, UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, FOUR STORIES.

AND I, I AM INTRIGUED BY THE PROPOSAL OF HAVING THE TWO STORY ADDITION BEHIND BUILDING ONE AS A WAY OF PULLING DOWN THE MASS AND BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN COMPLIANCE WITHIN, UM, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE FOR THE GUIDELINES WHERE YOU DON'T ADD MORE THAN ONE STORY ABOVE WHAT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE HAVE.

UM, AND SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I, UH, CONCUR WITH THE PROPOSAL TO PERHAPS SEE IF WE CAN CLEAR YOU WITH AS MANY, UH, OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ITEMS TODAY AS POSSIBLE AND THEN GOING BACK AND MAYBE CRAFTING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON, ON YOUR, UH, BUILDING THREE SOLUTION.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.

UM, I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB IN SHOWING, UM, HOW YOU MADE THE CHANGES OF STAFF STIPULATIONS FROM WHAT WAS FIRST PROPOSED AND WHAT YOU BROUGHT IN TODAY.

THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR ME, IT'S MORE THAN THE FOUR STORIES.

I STILL FEEL THAT THE ADDITIONS REALLY LOOK LIKE ADDITIONS, AND I KNOW IT'S STILL CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEGRATED INTO THE DESIGN INSTEAD OF JUST ADDING ON TOP OF IT, IT, IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR ME TO, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS ABOUT PARKING.

I NOTICED THAT YOU, IF YOU ADDED THAT OTHER STRUCTURE BY TAKING AWAY THAT THIRD, I MEAN THE FOURTH FLOOR AND THEN ADDING OTHER BUILDING, I SAW THE PARKING THAT YOU TOOK AWAY.

SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THAT? WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO ADDRESS THAT? SO WITH THE, WITH, SORRY, WITH THE NEW CHANGES TO THE I D Z, THE I D Z TWO THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR REQUIRES THAT WE MEET 50% OF THE REQUIRED MINIMUM PARKING OF THE U D C.

SO THE REALITY IS IF WE DO GO WITH THREE STORIES IN THE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, IT'S PRETTY MUCH GONNA ELIMINATE ANY COMMERCIAL POSSIBILITIES UNLESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, 1000 SQUARE FOOT COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ONE THING I ALSO FORGOT TO MENTION, IN CASE THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT US COMING IN WITH A RESTAURANT OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S VERY PARKING INTENSIVE, IS, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL ALCOHOL SALES ON THE SITE.

SO I'VE, UH, NOTIFIED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND COUNCIL IN VENIA WHEN WE DO GO TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, ON THIS AFTER THIS H D R C PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA ADD AN NA NO ALCOHOL SALES.

SO, AND THE REALITY IS WE'D HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE ANYWAYS.

WE'RE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A SCHOOL, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY SUPER INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES.

BUT NOW WITH LOSING THOSE PARKING SPACES, THERE'S PROBABLY, OTHER THAN MAYBE LIKE A YOGA SHOP OR A SMALL, SMALL COFFEE SHOP, IT'S GONNA PRETTY MUCH BE RESIDENTIAL.

SO WE CAN MEET THOSE RESIDENTIAL REQUIREMENTS WITH MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'LL

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AN ATTEMPT TO CRAFT A MOTION HERE.

UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STAFF, UH, STIPULATIONS BASED UPON THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE HAD HERE TODAY.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS CONCURRENT IS CONCURRING WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND BASED UPON THE MODIFICATIONS, UH, TO THE SCHEME THAT WE SAW TODAY.

UH, MOVE FOR A DEFERRAL OF ITEM THREE, UH, AND REFERRAL OF ITEM THREE TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THEN MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

COULD I SECOND ASK FOR JUST OF A CLARIFICATION PLEASE, BEFORE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, UNDERSTAND SORT OF THAT WE WILL LOOK AT THE HEIGHT AND POSSIBLY THAT ALTERNATIVE SITE OPTION.

UM, BUT IT, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE DIRECTION ON THE FOOTPRINT SPECIFICALLY, WHICH WAS, UM, ITEM I UNDER THREE, WHICH WAS PRESERVING THREE OF THE FOUR ORIGINAL WALLS.

UM, THAT FOOTPRINT, UM, MAKES IT, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT THE HEIGHT, ALMOST, UH, IMPOSSIBLE TO LAY OUT MULTIPLE UNITS ON THAT FLOOR PLATE.

AND I THINK HOPEFULLY THE PHOTOS SHOWED THAT, UM, THE, THE SLAB FOOTPRINTS OR THE EXTERIOR WALLS ARE, ARE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY WORTHY OF HAVING TO SAVE.

UM, STAFF COULD GIVE A LITTLE GUIDANCE TOWARD THAT.

UM, I'LL READ FINDING THREE B AND POSSIBLY THREE C.

THE GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONS TWO A NOTES THAT ADDITIONS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK SHOULD BE LOCATED AT THE SIDE OF THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, SHOULD FEATURE A SIMILAR ROOF FORM, SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THE HISTORIC FACADE AND SHOULD FEATURE A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW.

UM, JUST BASED ON THAT, WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY, UM, THE APPLICANT COULD POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HEIGHT, UM, OF THE PROPOSED EDITION, UM, HAVE A TRANSITION AND HAVE AN OVERALL FACADE MAYBE WITH SOME TYPE OF REDUCTION FROM THE STREET FACE THAT'S SUBORDINATE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UM, AND FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.

UH, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GIVES YOU ANY GUIDANCE, BUT IT, IT, I THINK CERTAINLY THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ADDITION WITH MULTIPLE FLOORS.

UM, HOW THAT IMPACTS THE HISTORIC FACADE IS WHAT'S GONNA BE, UH, WHAT, WHAT STAFF IS GONNA FOCUS ON, UH, PERHAPS A SETBACK FROM THE HISTORIC FACADE.

MAYBE IT'S NOT A GREAT ONE, BUT A SETBACK WOULD GO ALONG IN, IN PRESENTING THE ADDITION AS SUBORDINATE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

WELL, I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY IS, IS WHERE WE REALLY NEED THE RELIEF IS ON THE REAR, THE REAR SORT OF PORTION OF THE FOOTPRINT, NOT NECESSARILY THE FRONT.

I MEAN, WE WILL DEFINITELY STUDY, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SETBACK FROM THE FRONT, BUT THAT REAR IS A CONSTRAINT.

AND SO, AND WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED, WE'RE ACTUALLY BUMPING BEYOND IT, UM, BACK UP THE SITE PLAN, NO PROBLEM.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY JUST THINKING THAT YOU CAN'T REMOVE AND REBUILD.

YOU CAN DO THAT.

WHAT THE STAFF IS JUST SAYING IS YOU MAINTAIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL SOMEHOW INTEGRATED, WHICH IF THE WALL IS NOT, YOU KNOW, HOLDING UP, OF COURSE YOU CAN REBUILD A WALL.

AND JUST TO COMMENT, CHAIRMAN, MY, MY, UH, MOTION DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE STIPULATIONS.

IT, IT REFERS THAT OR DEFERS THAT INTO THE DISCUSSION FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.

UM, SO THAT YOU'RE NOT BEING BOUND BY THAT.

IF YOU COME BACK WITH A SOLUTION THAT THAT DOES WITH THE COMMISSIONER JUST MENTIONED, THEN THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AND DISCUSSED OKAY.

AND THEN ACTED UPON.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND YOU KNOW, AND I, I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, SAN, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO'S COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FACISM WHERE YOU JUST LEAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE FACADE IN PLACE.

BUT I THINK YOU'VE ALSO MADE A VERY COMPELLING, UH, ARGUMENT ABOUT JUST THE, THE CONDITION OF THOSE EXISTING WALLS.

AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU IF THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY INDEPENDENT OF THE, OF THE EITHER BUILDING ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

GOOD LUCK.

UM, WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO B ITEMS. GIVE, UM, STAFF JUST A COUPLE MINUTES.

WE'RE GONNA GRAB THE, THE PUBLIC COMM, THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT SIGN-IN SHEET.

UM, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROCEED.

I THINK WE'RE READY TO PROCEED.

UM, SO FIRST LET'S START WITH ANNOUNCEMENT THAT TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.

UM, WE HAVE A QUICK VIDEO IF IT WILL LOAD FOR US.

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IF YOU DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, UM, WE HAVE, UM, EIGHT ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEM ONE.

AND THEN JUST A QUICK REMINDER, UM, THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED AND BROADCAST, UM, ON THE INTERNET.

UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERYBODY SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONES VERY CLEARLY.

SO, UM, WE CAN PICK YOU UP WITH THE RECORDING.

UM,

['B' ITEMS CONSENT AGENDA]

UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND SO THAT'LL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.

UM, AND RIGHT NOW WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS B TWO THROUGH B EIGHT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

I'LL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION PASSES, YOUR HONOR, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 26 WEST HOLLYWOOD, 1 42 EAST SUMMIT 1315 SAN PEDRO, 1327 FULTON 2 22 KING WILLIAM, 2 39 WEST WILDWOOD, AND FIVE 11 EAST CRAIG PLACE.

YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO, NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETRIEVED AND RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AND RETURN TO THE O H B COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

SO, ITEM B ONE IS ITEM OR ADDRESS, 1 32 CITY STREET.

UM, WE HAVE A SPEAKER, LISA LIND.

MY NAME IS LISA LIND.

I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND OUR ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND STAFF FINDINGS.

WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS.

THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONS STIPULATE THAT A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN OLD AND NEW BUILDING FORMS BE PROVIDED USING A SETBACK OR OTHER VISUAL TRANSITION.

ALTHOUGH THE STAFF RECOMMENDS A TRIM BOARD BE ADDED AT THE NORTH ELEVATION, TO MAKE THIS DISTINCTION, WE RECOMMEND A SETBACK IN THE PLANE OF THE WALL OR RECESS BE INCORPORATED, COMPLYING WITH THE PREFERRED METHOD FOR DISTINCTION IN THE GUIDELINES.

ADDITIONALLY, THE GUIDELINES STATE THAT RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS THAT OVERWHELM OR FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF THEIR HEIGHT AND BUILDING FOOTPRINT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE IN AS MUCH AS THE ADDITION WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIVERWALK, A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE NEW BEDROOM WING EXTENDING TOWARDS THE RIVER APPEARS OUT OF PROPORTION AND OVERWHELMS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WHEN VIEWED FROM THE RIVERWALK.

WE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE TWO STORY WING TO IMPROVE THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE ADDITION WITH THE HISTORIC TRUCK STRUCTURE.

UH, UH, PEDESTRIAN WALK, UM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT UP AT THIS TIME.

HELLO, MY NAME'S NICK MELDY.

UM, I'M THE ARCHITECT, UH, FOR THE ADDITION HERE.

AND, UH, UH, DO I NEED TO GIVE, UH, MY, MY ADDRESS IS THREE 18 SADIE STREET IN THE, UH, LEVO NEIGHBORHOOD.

NICK, CAN YOU PLEASE ADJUST YOUR MIC A LITTLE CLOSER? THANKS.

UM, I GUESS, UM, I, I'LL JUST START WITH, UM, OR I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, YOU GUYS WANNA START WITH, UM, ANY SORT OF, UM, QUESTIONS TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I, I MEAN, I CAN START BY ADDRESSING SOME OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S CONCERNS.

ADDRESS THOSE, PLEASE.

SURE.

UM, SO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE ADDITION, YEAH, CERTAINLY IS SUBSTANTIAL TO THE, UM, TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, UM, AND TO, AND, UH, FACES THE, UH, THE RIVER WALK, YOU KNOW, ON THAT SIDE.

BUT, BUT IT IS, UM, SET BACK, UM, STILL QUITE FAR FROM THE RIVER WALK.

I WAS, UM, OUT THERE TODAY AND TOOK A FEW PHOTOS, UM, THAT MIGHT BE AT THE END OF THIS, UM, PRESENTATION.

EDWARD, THE LATE FILES ARE IN THE LIGHT FILE FOLDER.

UM, BUT, BUT IT IS, UH, UH, I MEAN, THE VIEWS FROM THE RIVERWALK ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF FOLIAGE THERE.

IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY SEE IT FROM, UH, FROM THE RIVERWALK.

UM, SO THIS IS, UH, FROM THE KING WILLIAMS SIDE, UH, LOOKING, UH, THAT WOULD BE WEST, UH, SOUTHWEST.

UM, AND, UH, IT'S RIGHT, ESSENTIALLY IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE RIVER, UH, TOWARDS THE PALM TREE, UM, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE SITE IS.

UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, UM, IT IS KIND OF ON AXIS WITH THE, UH, SHERIDAN,

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YOU CAN KINDA SEE THE CORAL, UM, PAINTED SIDING, UH, ACROSS THE RIVER THERE.

UH, AND THEN, UH, JUST, UH, FURTHER, YOU KNOW, I I I JUST WANTED TO SHOW SOME VIEWS, VIEWS, UM, ON, ON EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD SEE FROM THE RIVERWALK.

AND THEN HERE WE ARE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE CORAL SIDING AGAIN TO THE, UH, LEFT OF THE SCREEN ACROSS THE RIVER.

UM, AND, UH, KIND OF, UH, START TO PICK OUT THE, UH, THE WHITE, UH, THE PAINTED WHITE DECK RAILING, UH, THERE ACROSS THE RIVER.

THAT'S ABOUT WHERE THE ADDITION IS GONNA COME OUT TO.

AND THEN, UH, I THINK THERE WAS, UH, A, UH, A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, BREAKING THE, UM, FACADE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, WHERE WE'VE ADDED ON, UM, IT'S THE LOWER, WELL, YEAH, SO THE, UH, LOWER RIGHT FACADE, UH, STAFF STIPULATED THAT WE, UH, PUT A, UH, PIECE OF TRIM TO DESIGN, UH, TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN, UH, THE HISTORIC AND THE ADDITION, WHICH, UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO.

UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, I, I THINK WE HAVE THE SCORE.

I THINK WE CAN, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE, UH, USE UP SOME OF THE INTERIOR SQUARE FOOTAGE TO CREATE A, UM, A BREAK IN THE MASSING, IF THAT'S, UM, IS WHAT IS NEEDED TO DO.

UM, HOWEVER, UM, I THINK THE, UH, CERTAINLY, UM, HELP OUR CASE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, PUT A PIECE OF TRIM THERE.

AND, AND, AND AS FOR THE CONCERN ON THE LENGTH, THIS IS A HOME FOR, UM, WE NEEDED TO DO A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, ADDITION HERE.

THIS IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOME, UM, GRANDPARENTS.

UH, IT'S AN ADDITION FOR THE GRANDPARENTS, UM, WHO CURRENTLY RESIDE IN THE HOME, AND THEY'RE, UH, UH, GOING TO BE, UH, BRINGING IN THEIR KIDS, UH, UH, MOTHER AND FATHER WITH, UH, FULL, UH, I THINK TWO OR THREE KIDS AS WELL.

SO THEY DESPERATELY NEED SQUARE FOOTAGE.

SO WE'RE ADDING TWO BEDROOMS AND TWO BATHROOMS IN THIS ADDITION AS WELL AS, UH, AS WELL AS A KITCHEN ON THE, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, UM, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE BLOCK AND KIND OF, UH, SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT ARE FROM, UM, FROM UP IN THE AIR, I FEEL LIKE YOU'LL STILL BE, UM, BEHIND SOME OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE RIVER.

I THINK YOU'RE, LIKE, YOU STATED, I THINK YOU'RE FAR ENOUGH, THE SETBACK FROM THE RIVER IS FAR ENOUGH, SO THAT'S NOT, UM, I, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A REAL CONCERN OVER ABOUT IT.

UM, IT STILL GOES WITH WHAT THE GUIDELINES, UM, I AGREE WITH THE TRIM AND IT'S PART OF THE STIPULATIONS.

YOU'RE ALSO AGREEING WITH THE OTHER STIPULATIONS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CONCERNS.

I CONCUR WITH ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. THERE'S, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE PICKED UP IN THE COMMENTS FROM STAFF FOR THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THAT NORTH ELEVATION, PARTICULARLY THE TALL, UH, KIND OF TRANSOM LIKE WINDOWS.

UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHEN THOSE ARE TAKING PLACE IN A, IN A BATHROOM SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A TUB AND THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT IN, IN THIS CASE, UPSTAIRS, IT'S A MASTER BEDROOM AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE FLANKING WINDOWS AND KIND OF A MORE OF A, A TRADITIONAL HISTORICAL, UH, APPROACH TO THAT.

UH, AND THEN A, A BED WALL BETWEEN THOSE FLANKING WINDOWS.

UM, WAS THAT AT ALL, UH, PURSUED, EXPLORED, UH, TO TRY TO KINDA MAKE A MORE COMPATIBLE WINDOW CONFIGURATION? THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT IS WHERE, UM, I STARTED WITH, UH, MY CLIENTS.

UM, HOWEVER, UM, THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS FOR PRIVACY, UM, ALONG THEIR, UH, ALONG THAT NEIGHBORING SIDE.

UH, ADDITIONALLY, UH, IF WE GO TO THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, UM, I'LL LOOK AT THAT.

I, I THINK WE ARE, UM, A LITTLE, UH, WE ARE A LITTLE TIGHT ON THAT, BUT OH, NO, NO, WE HAVE 12 FEET.

SO I MEAN, UH, WE, UH, IF, IF NEED BE, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.

UH, BUT, UM, BUT IT, IT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF THE CLIENTS, UM, FOR, FOR THEIR PRIVACY, AN OC STAFF HAVING ANY CONCERNS IN THEIR COMMENTS, OR DID I MISS, AM I MISSING THAT? NO, AND, AND I MADE THAT MENTION THAT IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE SOMETHING THAT STAFF PICKED UP ON, BUT FOR ME, IT JUMPED OUT, UM, THAT THE PROPORTIONS OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH, UH,

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THE GUIDELINES.

AND OFTEN WE SEE THOSE, LIKE I SAID, IN BATHROOM SITUATIONS, BUT HERE IT WAS A BEDROOM.

I, I, I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, WE, WE DID TAKE, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, UH, THEY, THEY DO DEVIATE A LITTLE BIT FROM THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, SET OF THREE WINDOWS THERE.

UM, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE, WE TOOK SOME PRECEDENT THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA COMMENT.

I THINK THAT THEY'RE ALSO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE CAN USUALLY SEE.

UM, AND, AND YOU CAN KIND OF PICK IT UP FROM THE FRONT OR FROM THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE BUILDING THAT I GUESS WHAT STAFF DID OR I DON'T KNOW.

BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY I STILL DON'T HAVE A CONCERN.

I DISCUSSED THAT WITH, WITH STAFF TOO, AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHY, UH, THAT THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL CONCERN OF THE STAFF.

UH, BUT IN, IN TALKING THROUGH, UH, IN TALKING THROUGH THAT, UH, THEY DECIDED, I THINK, TO THAT STIPULATION, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT.

ARE YOU ALSO AGREEING TO REUSING THE SALVAGE MATERIALS? ABSOLUTELY.

UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE, THE OWNERS AND I DISCUSSED FROM THE GET GO.

YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND IF SOME OF THE DECK MATERIALS MAY NOT BE REUSABLE JUST BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR MAYBE BEING THERE FOR SO LONG.

BUT IF JUST, IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS, I WOULD JUST SAY COME BACK EITHER TO STAFF OR TO US, IF THERE'S ANY MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON REUSING, BUT, OR YOU FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BORDERLINE, YOU BET.

UM, THE, UH, THE DECKING, YEAH, MIGHT BE QUESTIONABLE.

UM, IT'S THE DECKING ITSELF, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE QUESTIONABLE FOR REUSE.

UM, HOWEVER, UH, WE LOVED THE ORNAMENTATION OF THE NEWELL POSTS AND, UH, A LOT OF THE RAILING AND, UH, AND ALSO THE, UM, THE PANEL SKIRTING, UH, AROUND THE, THE BACK DECK.

AND SO, UH, OWNERS AND I BOTH WOULD, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE EITHER GONNA REUSE THOSE AND, AND IF WE CANNOT, UH, REUSE 'EM, WE WILL REPLICATE.

WELL, OR MAYBE I WAS JUST GONNA ASK YOU LIKE, DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA REUSE SOMETHING, JUST LOOP BACK WITH STAFF AND DON'T MAKE A DECISION ON YOUR OWN.

OH YEAH, WE WON'T, WE WON'T JUST THROW IT AWAY.

YEAH, I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND.

MOTION IS SECOND.

DELAY ACTION UNTIL THE APPLICANT CAN BE HERE UNLESS, UH, FEEL STRONGLY AND AGREE WITH, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COMMISSION COMMISSION? WELL, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, BOTH STAFF AND WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO THAT THERE'S INSUFFICIENT, UH, MATERIAL HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, JUST, UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE ROOM.

UM, THERE'S THREE ITEMS ON THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA THAT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.

ITEM B NINE IS 3 35.

TRAIL HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT TO DECEMBER 4TH.

ITEM B 10 IS THREE 11.

WEST MISTLETOE, UM, HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.

AND ITEM B 15 3 28 EAST ATCH HAS ALSO BEEN POSTPONED TO DECEMBER 4TH AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS AS WELL.

THEN

[B-11 19-8661 Address/Description: 909 N HACKBERRY ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-650 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Michael Garansuay Request: Approval of a site plan for the construction of three primary residential structures and three rear accessory structures City Council Dist.: 2 (Part 1 of 2)]

WE'LL HAVE CASE B 11.

AGENDA ITEM B 11 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 59 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN CONTAINING THREE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND THREE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO CONTAIN RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ELEMENTS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME, I WON'T GO THROUGH THOSE, BUT IF THE COMMISSION HAS A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO EITHER ONE, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE APPLICANT HERE.

PLEASE.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE AN APPLICANT PRESENT.

UM, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK VIRGINIA, DO YOU WANNA STILL SPEAK? VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, GOOD AFTERNOON.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND SAN ANTONIO, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.

THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH O H P STAFF.

RECOMMENDATIONS D DENYING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT.

THERE'S SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION SUBMITTED TO MAKE A JUDGMENT FOR APPROVAL.

THERE ARE NO ELEVATIONS OR DELINEATIONS INDICATING THE MASSING ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, PAT DESIGNS P ARE WE TYPICALLY, UH, POSTPONE OR

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UM, BUT, UH, COULD, UH, WE PERHAPS JUST RESET THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THE APPLICANT, UH, BRING FORTH SOME MORE MATERIAL TO SUPPORT THEIR CASE.

THE 60 DAY TIME PERIOD DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL DECEMBER THE 27TH, SO THERE WOULD BE TWO OTHER MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE RESET TO THE NEXT HEARING.

CASE NUMBER B 12 OR AGENDA ITEM B 12, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 83 AT 1418 WEST ROSEWOOD, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE SIX FRONT MOST SASH WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS TWO ON THE NORTH FACADE, TWO ON THE EAST FACADE, AND TWO ON THE WEST FACADE.

OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION PASSES

[B-12 19-8597 Address/Description: 1418 W ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2019-683 Historic District Name: Keystone Park Applicant: David Rodriguez/J D ROMI GROUP LLC Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1]

AND TWO, INSTALL SEVEN ALUMINUM WINDOWS, INCLUDING REMOVAL OF TWO DOOR OPENINGS ON THE SIDE AND REAR FACADES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE REPLACEMENT OF VIS EXISTING WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, GIVEN THAT THE WINDOWS ARE PERMANENTLY DISCARDED.

STAFF STIPULATES THAT ALL REPLACEMENT SHOULD FEATURE SALVAGE OR RECONSTRUCTED WOOD SASH WINDOWS THAT MEET THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT RATHER THAN ANY FEATURING ALUMINUM CASE COMMENT.

STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON JULY 2ND AND FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY WAS SUBJECTED TO A NUMBER OF FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING DOOR REMOVAL AND WINDOW RELOCATION IN THE REAR SIDE BAY, AS WELL AS THE INSTALLATION OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE.

ON AUGUST 21ST, 2019, THE H D R C REFERRED THE REQUEST TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT ON AUGUST 28TH, 2019.

THE D R C ADVISED THE APPLICANT TO RESUBMIT THE REQUEST WITH AN EFFORT TO MAINTAIN AS MANY ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS AND OPENINGS AS POSSIBLE.

THE APPLICANT OPTED TO APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE ORIGINAL REQUEST PRIOR TO RESUBMITTING A REVISED PLAN.

THE B O A DENIED THE REQUEST, AND THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A REVISED REQUEST TO THE H D R C THEREAFTER APPLICANT HERE PLEASE.

AND WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD.

I'M, UH, DAVID RODRIGUEZ, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, AND, UH, WELL, AS YOU HEARD, I, I MADE A, UM, WELL, I'M LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO FINISH THIS, UH, PROJECT.

AND, UH, I SAT WITH A MEMBER THAT WAS HELPING ME FROM, FROM THAT, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND WE CAME UP WITH A A OR A CO.

WE DISCUSSED A COMPROMISE, AND, UH, AS HE MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT I, WE, WE SENT IN, I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN HERE, BUT, UH, WE FELT THAT THAT MIGHT, UH, BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD HERE SO THAT I COULD CONTINUE.

UH, WE DO HAVE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD.

VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE.

OH, AND THEN WE'LL CALL YOU MY TURN, THEN WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.

OKAY? SURE.

MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND SAN ANTONIO.

I'M SPEAKING FOR THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY.

THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED WINDOW REPLACEMENTS AT 1418 WEST ROSEWOOD.

ALL OF THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS SHOULD BE EITHER SALVAGED OR RECONSTRUCTED WOOD WINDOWS IN KEEPING WITH THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN DISCARDED.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, PATTY ZZ, PRESIDENT MR. RODRIGUEZ.

WE VISITED THE PROPERTY AND, UM, AND WE DID, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE IT, UM, UM, VERY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T SOME BAD INTENTIONS, UM, BUT THE PROJECT HAS GONE SO FAR THAT HE REALLY IS TRYING TO FIND A FINAL SOLUTION.

YOUR REQUEST IS FOR ALUMINUM IN THE SIDE AND BACK? YEAH.

AND KEEPING THEM THE HISTORIC SIZE THAT THEY WERE, THE FENESTRATION, I GUESS SO.

UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, OR MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU RECALL?

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UM, IT MAY NOT BE THE OUTCOME THAT WE MAY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR IN EVERY PROPERTY, BUT MAYBE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A COMPROMISE.

UM, WE DID SEE A LOT OF THE, SOME MANY OF THE WINDOWS LIKE YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, PILED UP IN PIECES.

UM, MAYBE SOME OF IT WERE USABLE, BUT MOST OF IT, UM, REALLY, UM, JUST SHATTERED OR MAYBE NOT IN THE BEST STATE.

UM, WE, YOU DID GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND YOU GOT A DENIAL, CORRECT? YEAH.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T GONNA DO WHAT WE PROPOSE NOW WITH THE COMPROMISE.

BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE, I I, I SPOKE WITH MY, UH, CONSTRUCTION GUY AND HE'S, HE'S ABLE TO SALVAGE THE SIX WINDOWS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I, I FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, AND I THINK HE'S DONE HIS FAIR.

I MEAN, THEY, LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY WERE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, BUT WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING.

WE GOTTA REPLACE MAYBE THE LITTLE PULLEYS AND THE, THE CORDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT, BUT FOR THE WINDOWS THAT ARE DISCUSSED, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THOSE BACK.

BUT THEN, UH, WE HAVE A PROBLEM POSSIBLY WITH THE TWO SIDE WINDOWS.

I GUESS IT'S NOT THAT ONE, THAT ONE WILL BE PUT BACK, BUT THE ONE NEXT TO IT, THE TWO NEXT TO IT, UH, YEAH, THE, THE, THE SMALLER ONE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SMALLER ONE.

UH, THOSE WILL WOULD BE, UH, PUT BACK IN ALUMINUM, BUT THE SIZE THAT THEY WERE, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THE EAST ELEVATION.

THAT, THAT ONE, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S, YEAH.

WELL, THAT'S THE EAST.

ARE THOSE THE TWO WINDOWS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, THE, THEY WERE ON THE WEST SIDE.

THOSE TWO WOULD STAY, THOSE TWO, THE TWO SMALL ONES, AND THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU SEE THREE DIFFERENT SIZES THERE.

THEY WOULD, UH, WE WOULD PUT THE FIRST ONE BACK, THE LARGEST ONE, WHICH IS, UH, SALVAGEABLE, THE NEXT ONE.

UH, AND THE NEXT ONE TO THAT, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SIZES.

WE WOULD PUT THOSE BACK IN ALUMINUM.

UH, BUT THE, THAT PULL UP THE, UH, WEST ELEVATION, UH, SOUTH OR WEST ELEVATION THAT THE APPLICANT, THE DRAWINGS WHEN WE WERE OUT AT THE SIDE VISIT, UM, THESE TWO ON THE LEFT WERE MORE VISIBLE FROM THE, UH, FRONT YARD AND FRONT RIGHT OF WAY.

HAVING THEM AS WOOD WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL AS THE, UH, TWO ON THE FRONT PORCH.

UH, WHAT WERE THE OTHER TWO YOU WERE PLANNING TO? AND ON THE CARPORT SIDE, THERE'S TWO THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE STILL.

THEY DON'T WORK, BUT THEY'RE THERE.

BUT WE WON'T, WE'LL JUST LEAVE THEM WHEN WE TRY TO MAKE THEM WORK.

AND THEN THE, THE ONE IN THE FRONT THAT'S A, UM, THIS THING ALUMINUM, UH, AND YOU'RE PROPOSING JUST TO LEAVE THAT ONE IN PLACE AND FOR NOW, YES, BUT THE, YEAH, SO YOU, WHAT I SEE IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WOOD WINDOWS IN WHAT'S THE FRONT AND THE FRONT OF THE EACH SIDE.

RIGHT.

AND WE'RE ON THE BACK.

YOU'RE DOING THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.

RIGHT.

AND IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST NOT ALL THE WINDOWS ARE SALVAGEABLE AND WE'RE, WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO, INSTEAD OF BUYING NEW WINDOWS, WE'RE ABLE TO WORK AND REPAIR OR SALVAGE WHAT WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE SIX OR SEVEN WINDOWS, WHATEVER IS, IS THE SIDING PART OF THIS APPLICATION THAT WE ALSO DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING? THE SIDING WOULD BE RESTORED TO THE ALUMINUM OR VINYL COVER THAT'S EXISTING ALREADY AND PAINTED BASICALLY THE COLOR THAT IT IS NOW.

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UM, I MEAN MANY, I THINK HE EXHAUSTED A LOT OF THE, UH, OPTIONS THAT WE HAD PROPOSED.

AND I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT IS MAKING A GOOD COMPROMISE, UM, WITH US ALSO, UH, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE STATE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE SAW AND WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHAT CAN BE CHANGED, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? MOTION? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION FAVOR? SAY AYE.

UH, WE JUST TOOK ACTION ON ITEM B 11, PREVIOUSLY KNOWN ON 9 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY, UM, TO POSTPONE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS NOT PRESENT, THE APPLICANT IS NOW HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, COMMISSIONERS,

UM, AND SO WE CAN HEAR IT ON THIS AGENDA, IF THAT'S DESIRED.

UM, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, UM, AND THEN WE WOULD CONTINUE WITH THE CASE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IN LIEU OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, I, UM, MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE CASE.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ALL OPPOSED SAY NAYYY PASSES.

SO WE'LL NOW HEAR, UH, THE 11 9 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY, UM, AND THE, UM, CASE DETAILS HAVE ALREADY BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD.

UM, WE DID HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER REGARDING THE CASE, AND SO WE WILL HEAR COMMENTS FROM THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.

FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THAT.

SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN ALSO ADJUST THE MICROPHONE.

MIKE GUERIN, SWAY OWNER OF 9 0 9 NORTH HACKBERRY.

A LITTLE BACKSTORY, I'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS OF MY THIRD, MAYBE FOURTH RENDITION OF IT, AT A DOZEN MEETINGS WITH THE WELL ARC, THE, UM, DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, D N A C AS WELL AS O H P GOT AN EMAIL THAT WANTED TO HAVE ME ADDRESS EIGHT ITEMS. I'D LIKE TO RUN THROUGH THAT LIST WITH YOU GUYS.

I FIND IT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.

UM, FIRST ONE WAS WHY, UH, APPLICANT PROVIDES STREET ELEVATIONS FOR BOTH NORTH HACKBERRY AND FAIN WAY.

THIS IS, UH, A, THAT I'M NOT AT RIGHT NOW.

I'M CURRENTLY SEEKING REZONING, BUT WHEN THAT TIME COMES, I WILL BE SURE TO PRODUCE THOSE, UH, RENDERINGS TO ADDRESS MASSING, UH, AND HEIGHTS.

UH, SAME GOES FOR ROOF FORMS. UH, WHEN THAT TIME COMES, I WILL PRODUCE THOSE TO MINIMIZE THE OVERALL PERCEIVED HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION.

UH, SAME GOES FOR, UH, SOME OTHER FINDINGS REGARDING FOUNDATION AND FLOOR HEIGHTS, THOSE AS WELL.

UH, ONE COMMENT WAS TO THE PROPOSED APRON PROFILE.

I'M FINE DOING A TRADITIONAL FLARED, UH, 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AISLE THAT YOU MAY SEE NEXT DOOR DOWN THE STREET.

UM, THE PARKING AREA,

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UM, YOU KNOW, I, ON THAT RENDERING TO THE NORTH ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT RUNS ALONG FEIN WAY, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FENCE THERE, VERY HEAVILY LANDSCAPE BUFFER, A SLIDING VEHICULAR GATE, WHICH SHOULD DO A GOOD JOB, UH, BUFFERING AND SCREENING THAT PARKING AREA.

ALSO, A PROPOSED SWELL, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS THAT'S GONNA RUN ALONGSIDE FE WAY, HAVE SEEN SOME OTHER, I PASS THINGS OUT.

UM, DEVELOPMENT ABOUT THREE BLOCKS AWAY HAS A SIMILAR IN NATURE, UM, SIDE LOAD THAT LEADS INTO PARKING AREAS BEHIND THE HOUSES SIMILAR TO THE WAY IT'S DRAWN HERE.

MY OPINION, IT'S THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING SPACES FOR BOTH THE FRONT AND THE BACK ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

ONE MORE COMMENT WAS THE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE REAR.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THOSE AT 23 FEET WIDE.

I COULD PROBABLY GET THEM DOWN TO 18 TO MATCH THE FRONT SHORTENING 'EM.

UH, AS FAR AS THE DEPTH GOES AND ADHERING TO THE 40% OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS GONNA PUT IT AT ABOUT 278 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT'S GONNA GET INTO AN EFFICIENCY TYPE SITUATION.

I WAS REALLY SHOOTING FOR A ONE BEDROOM.

IF WE GOT IT DOWN TO 18 FEET WIDE, THAT WOULD GET IT AT, I THINK IT WAS 3 78, 378 SQUARE FEET.

I FEEL LIKE I CAN ACCOMMODATE A ONE BEDROOM.

THE REASON WHY I'M LOOKING TO DO THE ADUS IN THE BACK IS FOR SOMETHING I FOUND IN THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN FOR NUITY.

THERE'S A SECTION, I THINK IT'S 9.2 0.1, THAT ADVOCATES, UM, FOR, UM, ENCOURAGEMENT OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS TO IMPROVE THE HOUSING STOCK AND DIVERSITY FOR ENTRY LEVEL CUSTOMERS.

I FEEL LIKE THIS GIVES A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

THE LAST TWO COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED HAVE TO DO WITH MASSING AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL, AS WELL AS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS.

NOT AT A STAGE LIKE THAT, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONES, BUT WHEN I AM, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY ADHERE TO THOSE GUIDELINES.

SO WITH YOUR COMMENTS TODAY AND, AND STAFF STIPULATIONS, YOU'RE, UH, REQUESTING A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL SO THAT YOU CAN PRESENT THAT WITH YOUR, UH, REZONING APPLICATION, CORRECT? CORRECT.

SETBACK WAS ALSO GONNA BE APPROPRIATE.

I REMEMBER SEEING THIS AT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, AND I THINK WE DID DISCUSS, UM, THAT WE HAVE IN SOME SITUATIONS.

UH, JUST LOOKED AT A SITE PLAN FOR GOING TO ZONING WITH YOU UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A VERY, UM, AS, I MEAN, THERE'S A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT THERE MAY BE MANY, MANY CHANGES AS LONG AS YOU'RE READY FOR THAT.

CAN YOU JUST, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THAT THE DRIVEWAY, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT AND I THINK YOU MADE THOSE CHANGES.

ARE THERE ANY MAJOR CHANGES SINCE THE LAST THAT WE MET AT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE? YEAH, THE SETBACKS, THE, IT'S A PRETTY UNIQUE PROPERTY.

UH, BOTH ITS SHAPE AND LOCATION.

IT SITS ON NORTH HACKBERRY, IT'S A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

FEIN WAY IS AN ALLEY.

IT'S ACROSS FROM THE PARK.

I HAVE A NON HISTORIC BUILDING TO THE SOUTH 5 27 HAY STREET.

HAY STREET.

UH, THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO THE NORTH.

WHAT I DID IS I PUSHED THE SETBACK, UM, TO BE ONE FOOT BEHIND 5 27 HAZE.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SITTING AT SEVEN FEET FROM, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE HACKBERRY SIDE.

THE FIRST STRUCTURE I WENT TO EIGHT FEET, AND THEN I BROUGHT THE NEXT TWO TO BE IN LINE WITH 5 27 HAZE AT SEVEN FEET.

AND WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE SETBACK ON FWAY.

BUT SINCE THAT'S AN ALLEY, UM, THAT

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IN ADDITION, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES IN THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, RATHER THAN ONE LONG BLOCK OF, UH, FLAT WORK, WE JUST PUT ONE ENTRY POINT AND THE, WHICH CREATED MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING.

THOSE WERE, ONE OF MY COMMENTS WAS THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, PARKING, LIKE AS A BIG AREA OF PARKING, UM, WHICH WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN FOR ME.

THIS THE, UM, CODE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THIS MANY UNITS? YES.

ARE YOU OVER THAT? UM, I THINK IT'S ONE PER 1.5.

SO THE WAY IT'LL BE DESIGNED IS TWO STALLS FOR EACH, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOME UP FRONT.

ONE STALL FOR THE ONE BEDROOM ADUS IN THE BACK.

SO A TOTAL OF NINE, LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING A PERVIOUS PARKING AREA? CORRECT.

SOMETHING.

YOU MAY HAVE A CONCRETE RIBBON TO DRIVE ON DOWN A PORTION OF IT.

SOME COULD BE CRUSHED GRANITE, UH, A GRASS TYPE PRODUCT.

SO MUCH OF A CONCERN OF THE SINGLE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK.

GOING A LITTLE BIT, UM, OUT, UM, OF THE FRONT PROPERTY ON HACKBERRY.

I THINK THE DISTANCE IS FAR ENOUGH.

UM, PROBABLY THOSE DETAILS COULD BE DISCUSSED LATER ON.

UM, MAYBE AND, AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ALSO CAN BE DISCUSSED IS MAYBE THE ONES ON FEIN WAY, HAVING SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FENESTRATION OR ENTRY THAT WAY OR SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.

YEAH, I THINK ON THE, I KNOW ON THE FENCE GOING ALL THE WAY, RIGHT ON THE, UM, NORTHERNMOST HOME.

SO KIND OF RIGHT THERE AT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER HAVE, UM, KIND OF A SETBACK PORCH WRAP AROUND TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, CORNER.

YOU JUST HIT UPON SOMETHING THAT I, ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DUE TO THE, THE LACK OF DEVELOPMENT ARCHITECTURALLY, IS WHEN YOU'RE SHOWING THESE, UH, LIKE SEVEN FOOT SETBACK, IS THAT TO THE, THE PLANE OF THE BUILDING WALL? OR ARE YOU CALCULATING IN, UH, THE PO POTENTIAL FOR FRONT PORCHES, ENTRY PORCHES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA VARY.

UM, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS NOT TO HAVE 'EM ALL LOOK THE SAME.

SO WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT ENTRY POINTS.

SOME WILL HAVE PORCHES, SOME WILL HAVE, UH, STOOP LIKE, UM, DESIGN.

IT, IT, IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON, ON HOW WE LAY THAT OUT.

BUT THOSE, THOSE VARIATIONS WILL, WILL NOT BE OCCURRING IN THAT EIGHT FOOT SETBACK OR THAT SEVEN FOOT SETBACK.

IT'S GONNA BE OCCURRING WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT THAT YOU'RE INDICATING, RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT IS THE EX EXTENT OF ITS REACH.

I THINK A LOT OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS, UM, HAVE IS MORE RELATES TO DESIGN, WHICH AS YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL COME LATER.

SO FEEL COMFORTABLE MAYBE, UH, DOING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE SITE PLAN AND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, REQUESTING ANOTHER D R C WHEN HE'S, ONCE YOU HAVE THE DESIGN STARTING TO DEVELOP.

ABSOLUTELY.

MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM B 13 H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 6 4 0.

[B-13 19-8621 Address/Description: 218 W WOODLAWN HDRC Case No.: 2019-640 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: E.C. Parker Request: Roofline modifications City Council Dist.: 1]

ADDRESS, TWO 18 WEST WOODLAWN.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY THE EXISTING ROOF LINE OF THE HISTORIC ONE STORY STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE THE MODIFICATION OF TWO EXISTING SIDE DORMERS AND THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW FRONT DORMER ALL DORM.

ALL THREE DORMERS WILL FEATURE WOOD WINDOWS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DORMA MODIFICATION AND NEW FRONT DORM DORMER INSTALLATION ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING ROOF LINE AND DORMERS BE RETAINED IF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION APPROVES THE REQUESTED MODIFICATIONS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION

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APPLY.

UM, OUR STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR NEW WOOD WINDOWS.

I'M ERNEST PARKER, THE ARCHITECT.

I'M DAVE ISAACS, THE HOMEOWNER.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FOR, UH, NEW DORMERS IN THE EXISTING ROOF STRUCTURE.

AND WE WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO AND YOU ASKED US TO, UH, CONSIDER REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE DORMERS, AND YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I SAW THAT THEY WERE TOO BIG.

WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS AND WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS.

AND, UM, SO WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A VERY SORT OF RESPECTFUL ADDITION TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

IT'S QUIET, MODEST, AND, UM, IT'LL MAKE A BIG IMPROVEMENT TO THE INTERIOR.

MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, I, I, UH, APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT AND HIS ARCHITECT MAKING THESE MODIFICATIONS.

I THINK THEY'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO OUR REQUESTS AND I THINK THE, UM, THE, THE RESULT IS, IS, UH, I BELIEVE APPROPRIATE.

UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION.

ONE SECOND.

COMMENTS FAVOR, SAY AYE.

OPPOSED, SAY NAY PASSES.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B 14 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 18, 1 33 1 22 THROUGH ONE 30 BOSTON.

GOOD EVENING.

[B-14 19-8649 Address/Description: 122, 126, 130 BOSTON HDRC Case No.: 2018-133 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Ben Bowman/AMIBO MICROESTATES LLC Request: Construction of four, 2-story residential structures and one 1-story residential structure City Council Dist.: 2]

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT FIVE NEW STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS ADDRESSES 1 22, 1 26, AND ONE 30 BOSTON.

WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE, TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS IS BUILDING TWO TWO TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS IS BUILDING THREE THREE TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS IS BUILDING FOUR FOUR TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS AS BUILDING FIVE AND FIVE TO CONSTRUCT A ONE-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS AS BUILDING SIX STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P.

UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS THAT STAFF IS ASKING THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME, I WON'T READ EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, HOWEVER, STAFF CAN ADDRESS THOSE IN THE FINDINGS IF NEEDED.

THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, AND THEN WE DO HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.

UH, HI, MY NAME IS BEN BOWMAN.

I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ARCHITECT OF RECORD, AND, UH, ALSO A NEIGHBOR WAY THAT I CAN CONTROL THE RESUBMISSION SLIDES.

AWESOME.

UM, SO I, UH, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE BEEN INTO YOU GUYS.

WE GOT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IN EARLY 2018 AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD ON THE PROJECT.

THANKS.

UM, BOTH IN A PHASE ONE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRST BUILDING OF THAT, AND ALSO IN FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE REST OF THE PROJECT SINCE THEN.

UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION AND RECAP OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND THEN, UM, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK AT THAT TIME.

I KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE, UM, AFTER THAT BRIEF RECAP.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE STAFF'S COMMENTS AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT IF THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE PATH FORWARD.

GREAT, THANKS.

UM, SO THIS IS A QUICK ORIENTATION SLIDE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEAR EAST SIDE IN NUITY HILL.

WE'RE AT THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, UM, SEPARATED FROM MOST OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY HOUSTON STREET, WHICH IS A HUGE PRIMARY ARTERIAL IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, HERE YOU CAN SEE A QUICK CIRCULATION DIAGRAM OF HOW THAT ALL KIND OF WORKS.

UM, SO HOUSTON STREET IS PRIMARY, UH, ESPECIALLY ON DAYS WHERE THE SPURS PLAYS, IT GETS LOTS AND LOTS OF TRAFFIC.

UM, THE PROJECT SITE IS ALSO BOUNDED IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY BY NORTH PINE, CROCKETT STREET AND NORTH OLIVE STREET, WHICH ARE ALL ALSO WHAT I WOULD CALL PRIMARY CAR MOVING ARTERIALS.

UH, THEY'RE DEFINITELY SUBSIDIARY TO HOUSTON STREET.

UH, THEN OUR PROJECT SITE IS PRETTY UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF TWO ALLEYS IN INBOUND TO THE BLOCK.

SO WE'RE ON A ONE BLOCKS, UM, ALLEY BOSTON ALLEY, WHICH IS DEBATED, WHETHER IT'S A STREET OR AN ALLEY, BUT EVERYTHING WE KNOW FOR SURE IS THAT T C I SAYS

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IT'S VERY SUBSTANDARD.

AND OUR SECONDARY ALLEY IS LOW ALLEY.

UM, AND THAT'S ALSO A ONE BLOCK THOROUGHFARE THAT'S DISCONTINUOUS THAT TERMINATES IN HOUSTON AND CROCKETT STREET WHERE BOSTON TERMINATES IN OLIVE PINE.

SO WE'RE IN BOARD IN THIS BLOCK, UH, AND WE'RE OFF TWO STREETS THAT SEE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC.

UH, THIS IS A QUICK RECAP OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL APPLICATION.

UM, WE WENT, EXCUSE ME JUST A MOMENT.

CERTAINLY, UH, WE HAVE LOST OUR QUORUM.

WE CAN KEEP PRESENTING.

UM, WE JUST CAN'T HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION OR ACTION.

THANKS.

UM, THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL APPLICATION THAT WE PROPOSED.

UH, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, UH, I'LL CLICK OVER TO OUR CURRENT SITE PLAN APPLICATION.

UH, AND, AND THESE ARE LINED UP JUST FOR EASE OF REFERENCE.

UH, SO WE'RE ADHERING PRETTY CLOSELY TO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

UM, IN MOST RESPECTS, UH, IF WE MOVE TO THE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED ELEVATIONS AND THEN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ELEVATIONS, WE'RE ALSO IN PRETTY CLOSE CONFORMANCE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED.

UM, AS A RECAP OF WHERE WE STAND TODAY, JUST GRAPHICALLY, THIS IS A REPRESENTATION OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ADDRESS BEFORE WE RECEIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

AND WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ON MOST OF THAT LIST.

UM, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED EIGHT DIFFERENT ITEMS AND I THINK WE PLAN TO DIRECTLY CONFORM TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WORK WITH THEM TO, TO HANDLE FIVE OF THOSE EIGHT.

AND WE THINK THREE OF THE EIGHT FURTHER DISCUSSION TODAY.

SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT LIST IN FRONT OF YOU, ITEMS ONE, FOUR, AND EIGHT ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

UM, AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY, UH, INTRODUCTORY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

AND THEN I THINK, UH, WE MAY BE BEST SERVED BY MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN, UH, DIVING IN MUCH GREATER DETAIL ABOUT SOME OF THESE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

I JUST HAVE, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, PLEASE.

VIRGINIA VAN CLEAVE.

I THINK THIS HELPS REDUCE THE IMPRESSION OF DENSITY AND, UM, THE CONSISTENCY OF MASSING AND, UH, DIFFERENTIAL LEVEL OF DETAILING COMPARED TO, UM, A VERY IMPRESSIVE HISTORICAL HOUSE THAT SITS RIGHT ON THE CORNER.

VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.

I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.

CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF.

RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED DESIGNS FOR 1 22, 1 26, AND ONE 30.

BOSTON OF PRIMARY CONCERN IS A PROPOSED METHOD OF STUCCO APPLICATION WITH CONTEMPORARY EXPANSION, JOINT SPACING, WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.

PATTY DESIGNS PRESIDENT COTTON ES.

HI THERE, MY NAME IS SCOTT ES 6 0 6 DAWSON STREET, DIG HILL.

SO, UM, I'M ABOUT TO SHARE A COUPLE, COUPLE IMAGES THAT PROBABLY LOOK, LOOK FAMILIAR, UM, TO WHAT BEN JUST SHARED WITH YOU.

BUT, UM, I'M SPEAKING TODAY AS A RESIDENT OF DIGNITY HILL, AS WELL AS, UM, IN FULL DISCLOSURES AS PART OF THE EARLY DESIGN TEAM ON THE, UM, CONCEPT THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN IN MARCH, 2013.

UM, SO FIRST, FIRST ALL I PUT ON NEIGHBORHOOD HAT AND SAY THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN A BIG FAN OF BEN'S CONCEPT EARLY, EARLY ON BECAUSE OF HIS, UH, VERY CREATIVE, RESOURCEFUL APPROACH TO PARKING ON THIS DIFFICULT SITE.

SO HE'S GOING TO GREAT LENGTHS TO, UM, TO, UM, MAINTAIN AS MUCH OPEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE AND NEIGHBORLINESS, UM, FABRIC THAT REALLY STITCHES TOGETHER THE EAST SIDE AND IS, UM, CONSTANTLY BEING COMPROMISED BY HIGHER DENSITY PROJECTS THAT INSIST ON THIS SINGLE FAMILY MODEL.

UM, SO INSTEAD OF A KIND OF CUL-DE-SAC APPROACH WHERE YOU WOULD BE CUTTING, CUTTING THROUGH THE LOT, IN THIS CASE WITH FIVE CURB CUTS THAT WOULD EXTEND INTO THE DEPTH OF THE LOT, HE IS, UM, MAINTAINING, PRESERVING A LOT OF OPEN SPACE PREVIOUS COVER AND, UM, REDUCING THE IMPACT OF THE CAR ON, ON A PRETTY TIGHT SITE.

SO THIS PARTICULAR SITE HAS BEEN MENTIONED IS, UM, POSITIONED ON LOW ALLEY, WHICH IS, UM, A DIRT, DIRT ROAD.

AND HE'S USING THAT, UM, LESS TRAFFICKED STREET TO BAN THE PARKING AND, AND PRESERVE THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT.

UM,

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THIS IS A FOUR 13 NORTH PINE ON THE LEFT, LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THIS DRAWING.

UM, BEAUTIFUL VICTORIAN HOUSE.

I THINK IT'S 1890 SOMETHING.

UM, MUCH MORE ORNATE.

SO, UM, BEN HAS KEPT A LOT OF THE KIND OF ECHOED SOME OF THE PROPORTIONS, UH, WHILST THE, THE DETAILING IS MUCH MORE DEFERENTIAL IN RESPECT OF, UM, THE HISTORICAL FABRIC THERE.

SO AS A NEIGHBOR, UM, I THINK THIS PROJECT DOES A LOT FOR, UH, THE SOCIAL FABRIC AND ARCHITECTURAL FABRIC OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY PRESERVING THAT, THAT OPENNESS, THE SPACE BETWEEN BUILDINGS.

AND I ALSO THINK THE, UM, STRATEGY OF FRONT DOORS, ALTERNATING FRONT DOORS THAT FACE THE INNER COURTYARD AS WELL AS THE STREET, UM, IS, IS A SENSITIVE APPROACH AND HAS GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO CLEARLY MARK THE ENTRY WITHOUT PUTTING NINE MAILBOXES IN A ROW ON, ON THE STREET.

SO, UM, THAT'S FINE.

I THINK THAT WAS MY TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

EXAMPLES OF, UH, CONTROL JOINTS IN MODERN HISTORIC HOUSES OR MODERN HOUSES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK COTTON FOR THAT.

UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND, UH, WISH THAT WE COULD KEEP HER ON THE PROJECT ALL THE WAY THROUGH ITS COMPLETION.

SHE'S BEEN WONDERFUL.

UM, IT ALSO BRINGS UP A COUPLE POINTS FOR ME THAT I THINK ARE WORTH MENTIONING IN THIS FORUM, ALTHOUGH NOT DIRECTLY THE CONTENT OF WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING HERE.

SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO AN INSPIRED PROJECT.

AND THIS IS NOT A SPECULATIVE FOR SALE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE RENTAL HOUSING OF GREAT GREATLY DIVERSE SIZE PRICE.

AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO HIT A GOOD SWATH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT CAN BE APPROPRIATE AND THE RIGHT INSERTION INTO A BLOCK OF TRADITIONALLY VERY LOW INCOME HOUSES THAT ARE SUPER MODEST AND BRING SOMETHING THERE THAT, UM, IN THEORY IS SUPPOSED TO BE SIMPLICITY EXECUTED WELL, THAT CAN MAINTAIN A PRICE POINT THAT REGULAR PEOPLE CAN STILL PARTICIPATE IN.

UM, SO I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO COTTON'S COMMENT ABOUT APPROPRIATE SOCIAL FABRIC, UM, WHICH IS REALLY ONE OF THE FOCUSES OF THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE NOT REVIEWING HERE TODAY, BUT IT'S A DRIVER AND I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ATTEMPT.

UM, SO IF WE MOVE ON TO STAFF'S COMMENTS, WHICH, UM, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR, WE THINK A LOT OF THEM REALLY BENEFIT THE PROJECT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT ARE QUITE DIFFICULT TO INCORPORATE, UH, NAMELY NUMBER EIGHT, THE PARKING, UH, ISSUE, WHICH I KNOW IS A, UM, IT'S IN THE GUIDELINES THAT WAY AND I THINK WE HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION HERE.

BUT I'D LIKE TO START, UM, BY TALKING ABOUT ISSUE NUMBER FOUR, WHICH RELATES TO, UH, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S COMMENTS AND UM, ALSO STAFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT SIDING, PROFILES, BUILDING FRONTAGES, THAT SORT OF THING.

UM, SO IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS CONCEPT IN GENERAL AND SAY WHY ARE WE USING STUCCO? WE HAVE TWO INCREDIBLE PRECEDENT BUILDINGS RIGHT BY THE PROJECT SITE.

UH, IT IS AN 1890 SOMETHING BUILDING ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS FOUR 13 NORTH PINE AND 1120 EAST CROCKETT, WE THINK IS FROM ABOUT THE SAME TIME PERIOD.

UH, BOTH OF THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FIRST HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY A DECADE OR MORE.

UM, THE BEST EXAMPLE OF HOW WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, I THINK IS THE FIRST BUILDING THAT WE'VE CONSTRUCTED.

THIS IS BUILDING ONE.

IT USES ALL THE SAME DETAILS AND MATERIALS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE REST OF THE PROJECT.

AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN EXECUTING SIMPLICITY WELL HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ASPIRING TO WITH THE MATERIAL CHOICES.

AND WE THINK THAT THESE ARE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE A NATURAL COLORED STUCCO MATERIAL WHICH RELATES DIRECTLY TO THE FOUR 13 NORTH PINE HOUSE AND ITS PROMINENCE AND ALSO THE HOUSE ON CROCKETT IS WELL COMPLIMENTED BY A WOOD SIDING PROFILE, WHICH IS WHAT IS CLADDING EVERYTHING ELSE ON BOSTON STREET ON THAT SAME PORTION OF THE BLOCK.

UM, I THINK WE'RE MISSING MAYBE ONE SLIDE HERE, UH, WHICH IS I'LL TALK THROUGH IS SOME EXAMPLES OF, UM, THE, THE PRIMARY IMAGE ON THAT SLIDE IS A HISTORIC ASSOCIATION PLACARD HOUSE IN KING WILLIAM.

I MIGHT HAVE MANED THAT, I'M SORRY.

BUT THAT HOUSE HAD BEEN RE CLAD IN A STUCCO MATERIAL BECAUSE THEY MUST HAVE HAD SOME FAILURE AND UH, ULTIMATELY THEY CAME BACK WITH CONTROL JOINTS.

THEY'RE NOT REALLY EXPANSION JOINTS AND THAT'S A TECHNICAL THING THAT REALLY PREVENTS LONG.

YEAH, THANK YOU EDWARD.

UM, SO THE PRIMARY EXAMPLE YOU SEE THERE CLEARLY SOME ISSUE HAPPENED AND IF WE WERE TO LOOK BACK AT THE OTHER PROMINENT HOUSE SLIDES, BOTH OF THOSE HAVE SIGNIFICANT CRACKING THROUGHOUT THE, THE FACADE AND IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT THING TO REPLACE IN STUCCO IN THE LONG TERM AND KEEP THAT LOOKING GOOD AS THINGS MOVE AND CONTRACT AND EXPAND IN THE SUPER EXPANSIVE CLAY SOIL IN THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THE BOTTOM EXAMPLES WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO TALK ABOUT, BUT THOSE ARE

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UM, I THINK THE NEXT THING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT PROBABLY IS THIS IDEA OF DIFFERENTIATION.

SO THE FIRST EXAMPLE ARE A SERIES OF HOUSES THAT I QUITE LIKE FOR BEING NEW CONSTRUCTION ON MADISON STREET.

THOSE ARE ALL MORE OR LESS IDENTICAL.

AND THE PRIMARY DIFFERENTIATOR THERE IS COLOR.

THE SECOND ROW IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING NOT TO DO.

UM, THOSE ARE ALL VERY SIMILAR TYPES WITH THE PRIMARY DIFFERENTIATOR OF COLOR.

UH, THE THIRD ROW IS A GREAT EXAMPLE RIGHT ACROSS HOUSTON STREET FROM US OF THREE VERY SIMILAR CRAFTSMEN BUILDINGS AND I THINK EIGHT, I THINK EIGHT 30 AND 8 22 DAWSON ARE PROBABLY THE SAME BUILDING.

UM, THEY'VE ALSO USED THE PRIMARY DIFFERENTIATOR OF COLOR.

SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND SAID, LOOK, HOW CAN WE CAN TRY TO MEET STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS HERE AND STILL MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY AND THE DESIGN THINKING BEHIND THE PROJECT? SO THE FIRST THING WE CHOSE TO LOOK AT WAS COLOR.

UH, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION FOR REFERENCE.

THE FIRST THING WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT WAS COLOR, UH, WHICH WE THINK IS SUCCESSFUL.

TO SOME DEGREE THOUGH, I THINK WE RISK A DESIGN THAT IS LESS OF ITS PLACE IN THIS TYPE OF STRATEGY WITH THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUE.

SO IT'S PREVALENT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.

THE ORIGINAL STUCCO COLOR WAS THE NATURAL MATERIAL BASED STUCCO, WHICH IS, UM, A WHITE-ISH.

IT'S AN OFF-WHITE COLOR.

SO THEN MOVING BEYOND THAT, WE SAID, LOOK, HOW CAN WE TRY AND DIFFERENTIATE THESE BUILDINGS WITH REAL TRUE, UM, APPROPRIATE ORNAMENTATION THAT COMPLIMENTS THE CONCEPT.

AND SO HERE ON THE FAR RIGHT BUILDING IN THE BOTTOM CORNER, WHICH IS THE ONLY REPEATED FACADE TO ANY DEGREE, TO THE, TO BUILDING TWO, WHICH IS THE SECOND FROM THE LEFT ON THE BOTTOM ROW, UH, I THINK IF WE PROVIDE SOME WOOD DETAILING THERE TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE THAT, IT'LL BE A CLEARLY DIFFERENT BUILDING.

AND IT ALSO HAS TWO EXPO TWO FRONTAGES EXPOSED.

SO ON THE UPPER PORTION, THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT WILL ALSO BE EXPOSED ON THAT SAME BUILDING FOUR.

SO WE FEEL LIKE IF WE EXECUTE THIS KIND OF STRATEGY, IT'LL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO TELL THAT THOSE AREN'T THE SAME BUILDING.

WHEREAS IN A STRATEGY MORE LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'S STILL PRETTY OBVIOUS.

UM, SO I, I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO DO TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS IN THAT REGARD.

UM, YOU'LL NOTICE HERE THAT BUILDINGS TWO AND FOUR ON THE LOWER ROW ALSO HAVE INCORPORATED THE ENTRY AWNING ELEMENT, WHICH WE THINK IS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL IN A TASTEFUL CALL TO THAT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE IN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO HERE YOU'LL SEE THE AWNING THAT WE BUILT ON BUILDING ONE, WHICH WE PROPOSED TO BUILD AGAIN.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES ON NOLAN AND HAYES OF VERY SIMILAR DEPLOYMENTS.

I KNOW THERE ARE BETTER EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE, WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

UM, I, IN ADDRESSING BOSTON STREET ENTRANCES, UH, WE FOUND THESE CASE STUDIES WHICH WE THINK ARE VERY QUITE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.

AND WE THINK THERE'S A CLEAR REFERENTIAL DETAILING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING AT NINE 30 DAWSON, AND THEN THE BUILDING FIVE PROPOSAL TO THE RIGHT, THAT SIMPLE SUBTRACTED VOID IS, UH, NOT ONLY UNPRECEDENTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL EXAMPLES OF NON FRONT FACING ENTRIES THAT GIVE WAY TO A SIDE FACING ENTRY LIKE THAT.

AND WE THINK WE'RE CAPTURING THAT WITH THIS DECIDE.

UH, SO THE LAST THING I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IS THE PARKING.

SO THIS IS BOSTON STREET TODAY.

UH, THE NEXT TWO IMAGES WERE TAKEN ABOUT AN HOUR APART AND REPRESENT A PRETTY NORMAL DAY.

SO THERE'S NO CURRENTLY STRUCTURED STREET EDGE.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO TRY AND IMPOSE A PARKING STRATEGY ON PEOPLE THAT ARE USED TO JUST PARKING IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

UM, SO THERE'S NO DEDICATED SPACE.

THE FRONT SETBACK JUST IN DEFAULT BECOMES THE PARKING SPACE.

SO HERE YOU'LL SEE A NUMBER OF PARALLEL PARKING SPACES, UM, ON THE RED TRUCK IN THIS IMAGE YOU'LL SEE A NUMBER OF HEAD-IN SPACES ACROSS THE STREET.

AND THAT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE WE DO RUN INTO TRAFFIC JAMS HERE.

SO THESE BLUE LINES REPRESENT THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS SUBSTANTIALLY WIDER THAN YOU'D THINK.

AND ONE THING THAT EXACERBATES THIS ISSUE IS THAT THE BLUE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT AND ALL OF ITS NEIGHBORS ARE SET BACK APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE.

SO IT'S IMPRACTICAL TO BRING THE STREET TO STANDARD AND IT WOULD REALLY DISENFRANCHISE THEM TO DO THAT.

SO WE'RE PROPOSING SLIPSTREAM PARALLEL PARKING ON BOSTON TO ADDRESS IT.

AND THEN THIS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF LOW ALLEY.

IT IS DIRT.

WE PROPOSE TO IMPROVE IT AS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN USE IT AND HELP GET, GET AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THIS IS ALSO WHERE WE'D BE PROPOSING THE HEAD IN PARKING.

UH, THESE ARE REFERENCE IMAGES OF THAT LOCATION FROM ALL THE PRIMARY STREETS SURROUNDING.

AND THIS IS JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO

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SEE THAT FROM ANYWHERE WHERE ANYBODY WOULD BE PASSING THROUGH NOT AS A PART OF THAT LITTLE CORNER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH MENTIONING THAT, UH, I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED SOME SUPPORT FROM MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND ESPECIALLY PEOPLE ON THIS STREET WHO ARE VERY FEW IN NUMBER, UH, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS KIND OF STRATEGY IMPLEMENTED 'CAUSE IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM AND THEY WOULD APPRECIATE AN IMPROVEMENT.

UH, AND THIS IS THE FINAL SLIDE HERE, WHICH IS OUR SITE PLAN.

AND, UM, SORRY I'M GETTING IN A LITTLE NERVOUS, BUT, UH, THAT'S THE END OF MY FORMALIZED PRESENTATION.

SO I, I'D LIKE TO START WHERE YOU LEFT OFF AS FAR AS THE, THE PARKING STRATEGY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, WHILE THAT MAY NOT BE, UH, COMPLETELY IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THOSE GUIDELINES WE'RE GENERALLY THINKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS OR, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE STANDALONE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS AND WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO COMPOSE AN ENTIRE LOT LIKE THIS.

AND, UM, I I THINK IT'S A, IT'S AN, UH, INNOVATIVE AND THOUGHTFUL WAY OF, OF TRYING TO RETAIN THAT INTERIOR, UM, KIND OF COMMON GREEN THAT YOU'RE CREATING AND KEEPING THE SENSE OF THE, THE DENSITY AND THE MASSING FRIENDLY, UH, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I, I'M SUPPORTING, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT KIND OF, UH, DEVIATES FROM FROM THE GUIDELINES AS AS STATED.

UH, JUST TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND, YOU ALSO ARE SAYING THAT YOU'RE, UH, ACCEPTING OF, UH, STIPULATIONS 2, 3, 5, 6, AND SEVEN.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

I, THERE'S SOME NUANCE THERE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO CONFORM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS WE GO THROUGH OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND FULL APPROVAL OF THE PERMIT.

AND THEN THAT LEAVES US ONE, FOUR AND EIGHT TO DISCUSS, AS YOU HAD POINTED OUT.

SO ONE IS ABOUT THE ENTRY, UH, NOT ALL OF THEM BEING VISIBLE, AND I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN A GOOD SUPPORT OF WHERE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DO FIND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE, YOU HAVE THOSE SIDE FRONT ENTRIES, UH, OFF OF THE PORCH.

UM, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TWO ENTRIES OFF OF THE PORCH IN IN, IN SOME INSTANCES.

UM, FOR THE, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR, YOU'RE DISCUSSING, UH, THE VARIATION OF APPEARANCE.

UM, YOU DIDN'T MAKE MENTION OF THE, THE STUCCO TREATMENT 'CAUSE THE, THE, UH, STAFF STIPULATION REFERS TO THE USE OF CONTEMPORARY, UH, CONTROL JOINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, YOU MADE MENTION OF THE, THE SOILS, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVEN, UH, CURRENT CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS, YOU'D BE RETICENT TO NOT HAVE THOSE, UH, CONTROL JOINTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND MY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS PROJECT GOES WAY BEYOND THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.

I HOPE TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THIS PROJECT FOR INDEFINITELY.

AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T INCLUDE THOSE TYPES OF CONTROL JOINTS, WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR FAILURE.

AND IT'S, THE PROPERTY OWNER AT CROCKETT IS A VERY INVOLVED, UM, TECHNICALLY SENSITIVE ARCHITECT AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE PROBLEMS MAINTAINING THEIRS.

THEIR JOB IS TWO YEARS OLD AND THEY ALREADY HAVE PRETTY UNFORTUNATE CRACKING THAT FOR THEM.

I THINK MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION WILL REQUIRE THEM TO RES STUCCO THAT WHOLE PROJECT TO HAVE IT LOOK THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY TENDED TO LOOK.

SO WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO GIVE UP THOSE CONTROL JOINTS.

AND WE THINK THAT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT IN MODERN BUILDING TECHNOLOGY AND DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE MONOLITHIC NATURE OF A STUCCO ASSEMBLY.

HAVE YOU EXPLORED, UM, TEXTURAL DIFFERENCES WITH THE STUCCO RATHER THAN JUST COLOR CHANGES? UH, SOMETHING THAT FEELS A LITTLE MORE HAND APPLIED, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE KIND OF REFERRING TO THE, TO THE HISTORIC, UH, STUCCO IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT STILL HAVING THAT TECHNOLOGY OF, OF THE CONTROL JOINTS TO, TO UH, FEND OFF THE, THE DIAGONAL CRACKING? YES.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, WE HAVE, WE'VE LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF, UH, STUCCO TEXTURE SAMPLES AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT EXERCISE IN GREAT DETAIL BECAUSE, UH, PART OF THIS HYPOTHESIS HERE IS THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON CONSTRUCTION EXECUTION AS BEING THE THING THAT DIFFERENTIATES THIS FROM SOME OTHER PROJECTS.

SO, UH, TIME AND AGAIN, WE'VE COME BACK TO THE BURNISH STUCCO FEEL AS BEING, UH, BOTH HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AND ALSO BEAUTIFUL, NOT ONLY TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIKE IT, BUT TO THE CRAFTSMEN WHO GET TO DO IT.

UM, THEY, THE FACT THAT THAT'S THEIR LIFE AND THAT THEY THINK IT'S REALLY SPECIAL, IT MAKES IT SPECIAL TO ME.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THIS IMAGE THAT IT KIND OF HAND BURNISHED?

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UH, YEAH, AND IT'S ALL HAND TROW APPLIED.

IT'S JUST A VERY HIGH DEGREE OF FINISH.

UM, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT AT FOUR 13 NORTH PINE WILL END UP WITH THE SAME OR SIMILAR TEXTURAL FEEL.

UH, IT'LL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ASSEMBLY, BUT I THINK THE AVERAGE CITIZEN ISN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO COATS.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

UNLIKE, UM, I I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONER.

I MEAN THE EXPANSIONS AND UM, I THINK THAT AS LONG AS YOU KEEP IT AS MINIMAL AS YOU ARE SHOWING HERE IN BUILDING ONE AND THAT TYPE OF OF WORK, I THINK I WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, PROOF THAT ON, UM, I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONER ITEM ONE.

I THINK WE'VE ALSO ELIMINATED THAT WHEN WE DID CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT'S THE STREETS ARE LAID OUT AND I THINK THAT'S FINE AS WELL.

ITEM FOUR, UM, I THINK YOU'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SIMILARITY, ESPECIALLY IN BUILDING TWO AND FOUR BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME.

UM, JUST HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY OTHER ITEM LIKE COLOR BUT, YOU KNOW, APPLYING THE WOOD? UM, YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO CHANGING FENESTRATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO IT.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR THAT BUILDING THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, I HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL SAYING THIS, BUT I'M JUST GONNA SAY IT.

THEY'VE BEEN REJECTED BY MY ARCHITECT, UM, BECAUSE THOSE SOLUTIONS WERE NOT, UM, AS GENUINE AND THEY FEEL LIKE AN APPLIED TYPE OF VARNISHED ON DIFFERENTIATOR THAT WASN'T REALLY, UH, SPEAKING TO THE, THE TRUE NATURE OF THE BUILDING.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE EPHEMERAL, BUT UH, THEY SEEMED LIKE A BIT LIKE SUPERFICIAL ARTIFICES AND UM, THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE COULD COME TO WAS AN ORNAMENTATION THAT FELT ALIGNED WITH HOW THAT THING IS ACTUALLY BUILT AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE REST OF THE PROJECT.

AND I WISH I HAD SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES FOR YOU 'CAUSE I COULD SHOW YOU A BUNCH OF BAD ONES.

UM, BUT AS MUCH TIME AS WE COULD PUT INTO THAT ISSUE IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS, UH, IS, HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AND AFTER THE SUBMISSION TO STAFF.

I THINK YOUR PROPOSAL, UH, FOR ADDING SOME MORE WOOD ON BUILDING IS THAT FOUR BETWEEN THE WINDOWS WOULD HELP DIFFERENTIATE AGAIN, SINCE TWO AND FOUR ARE OUR, UH, WELL I THINK THAT WOULD HELP DIFFERENTIATE, UH, AND OVER TIME THE WOOD'S GOING TO IT'S UH, IS IT JUST SEALED WOOD AND IT NATURALLY WEATHERS? YES, SIR.

WE WERE, UH, PUTTING A, A UV, A WATER SEALER BUT NOT A UV SEALER.

SO THE INTENTION IS THAT THIS WILL SILVER, AS EVERYONE LOVES TO SEE BEAUTIFUL CEDAR DO.

WHEN IT DOES IT APPROPRIATELY OVER TIME, THE, UH, JUST THE NATURAL WEATHERING OF THE WOOD WILL WILL ADD, UH, COLOR AND TEXTURE TO THESE.

UH, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 2, 3, 5, 6, AND SEVEN AND WITH STAFF'S STIPULATION FOUR TO BE MODIFIED, UH, TO READ THAT THE, UM, ELEVATIONS BE, UM, UH, DEVELOPED ALONG THE LINES OF THE REVISED SUBMISSION BE PRESENTED HERE BY THE, BY THE APPLICANT TODAY.

SECOND AND A SECOND.

AGENDA ITEM B 16 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 6 34 ADDRESS, 1 0 1 EAST AGARITA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[B-16 19-8673 Address/Description: 101 E AGARITA AVE HDRC Case No.: 2019-634 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Virgilio Aguilar/Don B McDonald Architect AIA. Request: Construction of new addition and rear garage, demolition of existing garage and accessory structure, installation of new roofing and site furnishing, and site improvements City Council Dist.: 1]

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION, DEMOLISH EXISTING REAR GARAGE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, CONSTRUCT A NEW REAR GARAGE, REPLACE EXISTING ROOFING, REPLACE EXISTING MECHANICAL AND STORAGE ROOM ON ROOF, INSTALL A ROOFTOP,

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PERGOLA, EXPAND DRIVEWAY, CONSTRUCT A MASONRY WALL INSTALL HEDGE FENCING, INSTALL CONCRETE PLANTER STEPS.

INSTALL HARDSCAPING AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING FINDINGS B THROUGH F WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS OF THE REAR.

ADDITION TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT UPDATED DIMENSION ELEVATION, DRAWINGS, AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS.

ITEM NUMBER TWO.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING GARAGE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS G THROUGH I.

ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW REAR GARAGE BASED ON FINDING J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.

ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING ROOFING MATERIAL WITH T P O BASED ON FINDING K.

ITEM FIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING MECHANICAL AND STORAGE ROOMS ON THE ROOF BASED ON FINDING L.

ITEM SIX.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A ROOFTOP PERGOLA BASED ON FINDING M.

ITEM SEVEN STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY AND ALTER CURBING BASED ON FINDING N.

ITEM EIGHT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A MASONRY WALL BASED ON FINDING O WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FRONT YARD WALL DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT BEYOND THE WALL PLANE OF THE FRONT FACADE.

ITEM NINE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF HEDGE FENCING BASED ON FINDING P.

ITEM 10.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE PLANTER STEPS BASED ON FINDING Q.

ITEM 11.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF HARDSCAPING IN THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING R.

UH, WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, PRESENT THE PROJECT, AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, SOME CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU BACK UP FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I'M DON MCDONALD.

I'M THE ARCHITECT WORKING ON THIS, THE RESTORATION AND ADDITION OF THIS 1912 NEOCLASSICAL HOUSE.

UM, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS.

I THINK THAT, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE FENESTRATION, UH, TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE NEW ADDITION.

UM, THIS I, I WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH ADDING WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IDEALLY, WE WOULD, WE WOULD RATHER, UH, SHOW THE SYMBOLIC OPENING AND SEAL IT.

YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, IN THIS, UM, RENDERING, THE, THE FACADE OF THAT WEST WALL SETS 20 FEET BE BEHIND THE, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND WHICH IS 20 FEET OFF THE STREET BEHIND DENSE VEGETATION.

UM, THE ADDITION IS DESIGNED WITH GLASS WALLS, UH, IS KIND OF REPLACES A GREENHOUSE ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.

SO THIS WEST ELEVATION IS KIND OF DESIGNED AS A, A BOOKEND AND IT, THE, THE WINDOW SIMPLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

I, I, I FEEL LIKE IF THE ARTICULATION'S IMPORTANT, WE WOULD RATHER, UH, SIMPLY AGAIN, HAVE, HAVE AN IMPLIED WINDOW THAT'S BEEN INFILLED.

UH, THE SAME THING IN THE NEXT ELEVATION SHOULD SHOW THE OPPOSITE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

AND ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WE'RE ABOUT EIGHT FEET AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR AND LOOKED DOWN INTO HER KITCHEN WINDOW AGAIN BECAUSE, UH, IT, IT'S A BEDROOM THAT HAS A, A WALL OF GLASS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE.

AND SO I'M NOT TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT A, A WINDOW LOOKING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S KITCHEN IS, IS A WISE MOVE.

BUT, BUT IF, IF Y'ALL FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO IT.

UM, CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE? I THINK THE NEXT TOPIC WAS THE ROOFTOP.

UM, AGARITA STREET, UH, IS ABOUT 160 FEET ABOVE DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO.

IT'S RIGHT AT THE CREST OF THE HILL IN MONTE VISTA.

AND ABOUT A HALF DOZEN HOUSES ON THIS STREET HAVE ROOFTOP GARDENS.

THIS IS ONE OF THEM.

AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A, A SMALL PERGO UP THERE FOR SHADE DURING THE DAYTIME.

UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE MORE, UH, ELABORATE, UH, ROOFTOP PERGO.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WITH MONTE VISTA ON THIS TOPIC.

AND, UM, THE PRIMARY CONCERN MONTE VISTA IS, IS ACTUALLY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

NEIGHBORS ARE ALL EMBRACING THE IDEA AND, UM, THE PRIMARY CONCERN WAS, WAS THE LOCATION OF IT.

AND, UH, I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT IMAGE, THERE'S A, CAN YOU GO UP ONE MORE? WELL, ANYWAY, THE, THE, THE, THE CONCERN WAS THE LOCATION.

SOMEWHERE IN HERE WE'VE GOT AN IMAGE SHOWING, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET.

MAYBE

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GO BACK A COUPLE MORE.

OKAY, HERE IT IS.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE.

THERE'S SOMEONE AT THE SIDEWALK.

IF ALL THE TREES, UH, WERE TO DIE AND, AND SOMEONE WERE STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK, WE'VE, WE'VE MOVED THE, THE, THE ARBOR BACK THREE FEET, I THINK FROM THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, WHICH WOULD PUT IT OUTSIDE OF THE LINE OF SIGHT FROM SOMEONE ON THE FRONT SIDEWALK.

AND, UM, SO AGAIN, THE WHOLE THING IS KIND OF HIDDEN UP IN THE, IN THE, THE ROOFSCAPE, UH, BEHIND THE ARBOR OF TREES.

AND, AND THIS IS, THIS WAS THE PRIMARY REQUEST THAT MONTE VISTA HAD.

SIMPLY SLIDE IT BACK A BIT.

IF, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD TO THE IMAGE OF, OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

NEXT.

NEXT ONE.

BACK TO, UH, ONE MORE.

ONE MORE.

RIGHT HERE IT, OKAY.

HERE, GO BACK ONE PLEASE.

I'M SORRY.

SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE ARBOR AS LIGHT AND DELICATE AS POSSIBLE WITH GO TO THE NEXT ONE WITH AIRCRAFT CABLE, UM, KIND OF STRETCHING ACROSS THE TOP SO ALL THE PUBLIC WOULD READ IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SEE IT, MAYBE FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S ROOFTOP WOULD BE A GO TO.

THE NEXT ONE PLEASE WOULD BE A, A VINE COVERED, UH, JUST A, A VINE WITH, WITH NO REAL SUPPORT.

THE, THE, THE WIRE MESH FENCE THAT YOU SEE ALSO HERE IS ABOUT, UM, UH, 10 OR 12 FEET OFF THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE.

SO NONE OF THIS WOULD, WOULD BE SEEN IF YOU MOVE, UH, WHERE, WHERE YOU AT? RIGHT HERE? YEAH.

HERE, HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE ON THE STREET.

THIS IS THE MARY BONNER HOUSE.

AND, AND, AND THEY'RE REAL.

THIS IS WHAT WE, I THINK WE DON'T WANNA DO.

THEIR REAL WAS PLACED UP TOWARDS THE STREET.

YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET.

SAME THING WITH THE ARBOR.

IN OUR CASE, WE'RE FAR ENOUGH BACK.

YOU WOULDN'T SEE ANY OF THIS.

UM, SO AT ANY RATE, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH MODEL VISITING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.

EVERYONE'S ON BOARD IF WE KEEP IT SET BACK AND QUIET.

THERE'S A LONG TRADITION OF ROOFTOP GARDENS HERE, AND WE'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO, TO DO SOMETHING AS, AS, AS, AS TASTEFUL AND QUIET AS POSSIBLE.

UM, AND UH, I THINK THE NEXT ITEM WAS THE STEP PLANTERS.

CAN YOU GO DOWN? OKAY.

SO THIS IS THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AT THE FRONT SOUTHEAST CORNER.

OUR ADDITION IS GOING ONTO THE BACK RIGHT SIDE.

AND, AND THIS IS HOUSE THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A TRADITIONAL BACKYARD.

THE FRONT YARD IS THE YARD AND, AND, UH, THE HOUSE OBVIOUSLY HAS DENSE NATIVE PLANTING ALL AROUND IT.

THE IDEA IS TO, TO, TO REINFORCE THE ORIGINAL AND KIND OF RESTORE THE GARDEN THAT THE MAN THAT LIVED THERE THE LAST 60 YEARS HAD.

AND, AND A BIT OF THE PROBLEM YOU'D SEE THE, THE, THE KIND OF RICKETY STAIRCASE THAT HE HAD.

THE PROBLEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FACT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT YOU WANT ACCESS UP AND DOWN ONTO THIS TERRACE AND, AND, AND YET IT AT ABOUT, IT VARIES FROM TWO FEET TO 36 INCHES.

THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A HEIGHT PROBLEM.

AND SO FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE AND, AND SMALL KIDS, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID PUTTING A RAIL IN.

AND, AND THE ONLY WAY WE COULD COME UP TO DO THAT RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM IS A SERIES OF, OF, OF VERY LOW.

NOW, MAYBE THE NEXT A, A SERIES OF LOW STEPS THAT, THAT, UM, WRAP AROUND THE WHOLE TERRACE.

AND, AND, AND SO WE SEE THIS AS SOMETHING MORE, UH, OF THE GARDEN AND LESS, MAYBE ONE MORE.

AND LESS OF THE GARDEN.

GO BACK FOR PLEASE LESS OF THE GARDEN AND, AND, UH, AND THEN GO BACK.

FRONT OF THE PORCH, BUT NOT LINE OF THE HOUSE.

WE SEE, SHOULD WE SEE THIS LESS OF THE HOUSE AND MORE OF THE GARDEN.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE, THE FRONT PORCH HAS BEEN BRUTALIZED THAT THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, IN CASE THE ORIGINAL CON PLINTH AND, AND TAURUS AT THE BASE OF THE CAPITAL IN, IN CONCRETE.

AND, AND, AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS THERE THAT, THAT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF OUR RESTORATION AT THIS POINT.

SO THE IDEA IS TO SIMPLY, UM, RAISE THE GRADE.

IT ENCOMPASSES SOME OF THE PLANTING IN THERE, THE IDEA THAT WOULD SIMPLY BE GRASS OR GRAVEL THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GET DOWN TO THE, TO THE LAWN, BUT NOT REALLY IMPACT THE HOUSE FACADE.

UM, THE, THE LAST ITEM THAT I'VE, I'VE, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS IS IF YOU'LL GO DOWN TO THE NEXT, THIS ONE HERE, UH, IS IS THE EIGHT FOOT WALL.

UH, THIS IS A VIEW THESE TWO HOUSES ARE ACTUALLY BEING RESTORED RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS A VIEW OF THE, OF THE CAPE COD TO THE EAST.

THE PORCH, UM, LOOKS DIRECTLY INTO THE LIVING ROOM WINDOW.

THIS, AND, AND, AND IN ADDITION, THE FACADE OF THIS FRONT PORCH IS ALIGNED WITH THE FRONT OF THAT HOUSE.

SO WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH A NEIGHBOR, UM, OR DEBATED WHETHER OR NOT TO BUILD THE WALL ON THAT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WE COULD ALIGN WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR BUILD IT ON THIS PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD, WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE

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THE IDEA IS TO MITIGATE THE, THE, THE VIEW BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES, BETWEEN THE LIVING ROOM WINDOW.

UH, A FOUR FOOT FENCE IN THIS SCENARIO WOULD LAND ABOUT, UM, A FOOT BELOW THAT WINDOW VISUALLY, IF YOU'RE SUB SITTING UP ON THE PORCH.

SO THE IDEA IF, IF, IF WE GO UP TO, UH, WHATEVER CODE IS SIX OR EIGHT, IT WOULD LAND ABOUT THE MIDPOINT OF THAT WINDOW.

SO WE'RE REQUESTING TO, TO CONTINUE OUR WALL TO THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, KIND OF ALLOWING US TO, TO, UM, INTENSIFY THE LANDSCAPING AND, AND MAKE THIS PART OF THE GARDEN IN EAST YARD.

AND I THINK THOSE, I THINK THAT SHOULD ADDRESS ALL OF THE, THE PRIMARY CONCERNS OR ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAD.

WE HAVE A SPEAKER SIGNED UP.

VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE.

VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND SAN ANTONIO REPRESENTING THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY.

THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AGREES WITH THE O H P STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT.

THE PROPOSED ROOFTOP PERGOLA IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS HOUSE AND DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO, THE REAR ADDITION FENESTRATION PATTERN DOES NOT SEEM TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING PATTERN EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE.

RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.

PATTY ZZZ, PRESIDENT DONALD, IF YOU COME BACK UP, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY? I THINK THEY, OH, YEAH.

WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

WE, WE'VE BEEN TO PRE-COMMITTEE MEETING HERE.

WE'VE TALKED WITH MONTE VISTA ABOUT THE ROOFTOP TERRACE AND, AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN UNCOMMON THING IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON THING ON THIS STREET AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ROOF TERRACES.

IT, THERE, THERE, THERE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER ARBOR.

BUT, BUT THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD SET BACK IN THIS KIND OF EXOTIC JUNGLE, UH, 16 FEET BEYOND THE FACE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND AND BE AS LIGHT AND DELICATE AND, AND EASILY REMOVED AS POSSIBLE, UH, MAKES ME THINK IT WOULD BE A, A, A NICE THING TO ENCOURAGE THAT TYPE OF KIND OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITY, UH, IN THIS KIND OF ROOFTOP GARDEN.

AND SO, AND SO, UH, AND, AND WE THOUGHT WE'D HAVE A LOT OF MO OF RESISTANCE IN MONTE VISTA, BUT, BUT, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS THE PROPERTY AND KIND OF EMBRACING THE FACT THAT, THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO, UH, RESTORE AND, AND, AND NOT RENOVATE THIS HOUSE.

AND, AND, AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT, UH, RENOVATE THE GARDEN THAT GOT KIND OF BUTCHERED, UH, BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS SOLD.

AND SO, AND SO, FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY SHOULD EMBRACE.

UM, AS FAR AS THE FENESTRATION ON THE, THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THIS, THIS LITTLE ADDITION, I DUNNO IF WE HAVE THOSE, THOSE, UH, IMAGES HERE.

BUT THIS ADDITION IS, UH, UM, SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.

WE, WE WANTED IT TO POINTEDLY BE DIFFERENT.

IT'S A KITCHEN AND A LITTLE STAFF, UH, BEDROOM UP ABOVE.

AND THE IDEA IS THAT, THAT IT READ UTILITARIAN.

IT'S, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT IN HERE, BUT IT MIGHT BE IN THE ORIGINAL IMAGES ON THE EXTERIOR STATION.

UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SEEING IT, BUT, BUT, UH, UM, THE, THE WINDOW THIGHS IN PROPORTION AGAIN ON THE REAR.

I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WAS A STAFF CONCERN.

I THINK ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, THERE'S THREE SYMMETRICAL WINDOWS THAT RELATE TO THE PROPORTIONS, EXISTING WINDOWS, A SYMMETRICAL DOOR IN THE CENTER, AND, UH, UM, MORE RANDOM PLACEMENT OF WINDOWS BASED ON THE FUNCTION OF THE ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

BUT AGAIN, THAT, THAT ADDITION IS SUBORDINATE, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE CLAD AND VINES, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE, UM, HIDDEN AND, AND, UH, REMOVED FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE.

AND REED IS PART OF THE GARDEN.

IT REPLACES AN EXISTING, UH, UH, 1500 SQUARE FOOT GREENHOUSE THAT, UH, IS, IS JUST A JUNGLE OF, OF PLANTS AND GLASS RIGHT NOW THAT, UH, THAT, THAT WE'RE WANTING TO KIND OF RESURRECT SYMBOLICALLY THE WAY THE LAST 60 YEARS OF THE HOUSE HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, HAVE MOVED THE EVOLUTION OF THESAL ALONG.

BUT YOU DID ADD THAT WINDOW, RIGHT? COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE.

Y YEAH, YEAH.

I, THERE THERE'S A WINDOW THAT WE'VE SHOWN HERE.

I THINK MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO, UH, IF, IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT FENESTRATION TO, TO PLACE IT HERE, BUT, BUT MAYBE FILL IT IN WITH BRICK OR, UH, WOOD SHUTTER.

IF IT'S AWKWARDLY PLACED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE, AND I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT IT'S A GOOD THING, BUT, BUT IF STAFF FEELS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO IT.

I, I THINK MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO, UH, IT'LL BE COVERED IN BINES EITHER WAY.

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YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT FOR THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, 60 YEARS AT LEAST, THERE HAVE BEEN SHUTTERS THAT HAVE CLOSED UP THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IT'S CLOSE TO AGITA STREET, AND, UH, THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS ALWAYS BAKED.

AND SO, UM, WE COULD PUT A SHUTTER OR SOMETHING THERE, BUT, BUT, BUT ADMITTEDLY, THE IDEA OF A WINDOW, UH, IS A BIT OVERKILL FOR, FOR THE NEEDS.

I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THERE IS KIND OF JUST LIKE PLACED THERE, DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY, NOT REALLY PLAYING WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS AROUND THE HOUSE.

HERE'S A REAR ELEVATION.

FRONT WALK THAT IT'S, IT WOULD BE, UH, NOT VISIBLE.

HERE'S A CURRENT REAR ELEVATION.

THOSE ARE THE TWO WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE ALSO ADDING? NO, THIS, THIS IS THE EXISTING REAR ELEVATION.

I DON'T THINK THAT STAFF HAD ANY, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, BUT, BUT, BUT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UH, SEEMED, NO, YOU SAID YOU WERE ADDED ONE ON THE WEST AND ON THE EAST IT'S PLACED IN THE SAME CORRECT PLACE.

CORRECT.

ON THAT NEW CORRECT.

THIS IS THE ONE ON THE, UM, WEST ELEVATION THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, UH, POINTEDLY, ASYMMETRICAL, UH, POINTEDLY, UM, UH, SERVICE ADDITION TO THE MAIN HOUSE.

AND, UH, IT, IT KIND OF RESPONDS TO ANOTHER, UH, SMALL WINDOW IN THE POWDER ROOM DOWN BELOW.

AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT, THAT IF YOU SEE IT BACK IN THE, THE BEYOND THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE PLANTING, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF A, A, A CHARMING ODDITY, UH, BACK IN THE BACK IN THE BACK.

I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT THIS, THIS SUBORDINATE ADDITION, UH, GIVEN THE KIND OF RANDOMNESS OF THE WINDOWS ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, WANTS TO BE SYMMETRICAL AND PERFECT.

I THINK IT WANTS TO BE A LITTLE BIT IRREVERENT AND A LITTLE BIT, UM, PORT, UH, POP STRUCTURE.

THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'VE ADDED IN A BEDROOM THAT HAS A WALL OF GLASS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE.

UM, WHICH, WHICH, IF, IF IT'S IMPORTANT AND, AND Y'ALL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, WE'LL DO IT, BUT WE'RE NOT TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT IT'S A POSITIVE THING FOR THE NEIGHBOR OR FOR THE HOUSE.

I HAVE A D R C MEETING.

AND, UH, WALLS WERE DISCUSSED, UH, NOT NECESSARILY, MY OPINION WAS THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY, NOT NECESSARILY TO, UH, PARTICULARLY HAVE WINDOWS THERE, BUT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UM, ARTICULATION OR DELINEATION ON THOSE BIG BLANK WALLS, WHETHER IT'S A BLIND WINDOW LIKE YOU, UH, SUGGESTED OR, UM, HAVING A, A BLANK WINDOW WITH SHUTTERS, I THINK JUST CREATES A, A MAINTENANCE, UH, ISSUE FOR THE OWNER DOWN THE, DOWN THE WAY.

BUT, UM, ADDING THESE TWO LITTLE WINDOWS, I'M NOT SURE, UH, HELPS THE, THE, UH, ELEVATIONS, UH, I THINK MAYBE SOME, UH, LOOKING AT IT AGAIN WITH PERHAPS, UH, BLIND WINDOWS OR WINDOWS THAT, THAT INFILLED WITH BRICK, UH, THAT WOULD HELP BREAK UP THE, THE BIG EXPANSES OF, UH, BRICK, UH, WOULD HELP THESE, UH, TWO ELEVATIONS.

I I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE VERY OPEN TO.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

MAYBE DO A PAIR ON THE TOP AND, 'CAUSE I ALSO AGREE, I MEAN, JUST THE WINDOW, I KNOW YOU'RE PLACING IT AND IT'S PLAYING SOME ROLE, BUT I DON'T EITHER SEE THAT BEING THE GOOD SOLUTION.

I THINK THIS WOULD PROBABLY, I, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE, THE IDEA OF A BLIND WINDOW, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

WE PUT A LENTIL THAT MATCHES THE OTHER LENTILS IN THE HOUSE.

WE HAVE A, A, A ONE OR TWO INCH RECESS AND, AND, AND FILL IT WITH, I THINK THAT WOULD WORK.

AND IN TERMS OF THE ROOFTOP GARDEN, THERE'S AN EXISTING STAIRWELL THAT LEADS UP TO THE ROOF, CORRECT? CORRECT.

THAT Y'ALL ARE REPLACING THE HOUSING FOR? YES, YES.

AND, AND, AND THERE'S SOME MECHANICAL SPACE UP THERE AS THAT WE'RE ADDING ON AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, UH, ROOFTOP STAIR, IT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT, UH, HAVING A ROOFTOP, HAVING ACCESS TO THE ROOF OTHER THAN JUST FOR MAINTENANCE OR, OR ANYTHING WOULD, UH, IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE, THE HOUSE WAS, TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE ROOF.

AND SURPRISINGLY, THESE ROOFS ARE USED.

PEOPLE ARE, I KNOW IT'S A WIDE, BUT, BUT I'VE NOTICED IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE REALLY USED.

I DO APPRECIATE YOU PUSHING THE, THE TRELLIS BACK OR THE ARBOR BACK, UH, A FEW FEET SO THAT IT'S, UH, FROM THE, THE

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RIGHT.

SO I, UM, APPRECIATE, UH, THIS DESIGN VERY MUCH AND, AND, UH, MY HAT'S OFF TO, UH, THE NEW OWNER.

I TOOK A LOOK AT THIS WHEN IT WAS UNDER AUCTION, AND, UH, IT'S A CHALLENGING, WEIRD NARROW, UH, LOT AND, UH, NARROW BUILDING AS WELL.

AND SO THERE DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE ANY KIND OF ACCOMMODATION OF KITCHEN AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO THIS ADDITION IN THE, IN THE REAR IS REALLY ESSENTIAL TO MAKE THIS THING EVEN EVEN FUNCTION AS A RESIDENCE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW IT WORKED BEFORE.

IT WAS, IT WAS A TRUE MYSTERY AND IT WAS SO OVERGROWN.

IT WAS LIKE ANCHOR WATT AT, AT SOME POINT.

AND UH, THEN IT GOT BUTCHERED DURING THAT PROCESS, WHICH WAS A SHAME.

SO I'M GRA I'M, I'M GRATIFIED TO SEE THAT THIS IS GETTING RECOMPOSED AND GETTING THE DIGNITY THAT IT DESERVES.

AND THOSE DETERIORATED BUILDINGS THAT WERE KIND OF ODDLY SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, BECAUSE I THINK THEY WERE OWNED BY THE SAME PHYSICIAN, RIGHT? RIGHT.

UM, THEY WERE ALL CAVING IN.

SO TO SEE ALL THAT GO AWAY AND TO HAVE THIS BE REPLENISHED AND RETAIN WHAT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT HERE, WHICH IS IN THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE AND THE, UH, THE, UH, ADJACENT HOUSE, UH, IS, IS REALLY GRATIFYING.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S GOOD RATIONALE TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

I THINK THE IDEA OF THE ROOFTOP TERRACE IS, UM, IS AN APPROPRIATE ONE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF KEEPING IT EXTREMELY LIGHT PULLED BACK FROM THE EDGE, UH, YOU KNOW, DETAILED IN A WAY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY REVERSIBLE.

SHOULD SOMEONE NEED IT TO DO THAT DOWN THE LINE, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE.

UM, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, REGARDING THE, THE DISCUSSION ON THE WINDOWS, I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING THE BLIND WINDOWS AND MAYBE BEGINNING TO START WORKING WITH PAIRS RATHER THAN SINGLES AND THE CAN BE A BETTER COMPOSITION TO THOSE, THOSE, UH, EXPANSES OF WALL.

UM, I'M, I'M A LITTLE INDIFFERENT ABOUT THE STEP SOLUTION.

UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE.

AND I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A NICE WAY OF TRANSITIONING DOWN INTO THE GARDEN.

UM, BUT I THINK FOR ME, A LOT I WILL BE KINDA, WHAT, WHAT IS THE MATERIALITY? IS THAT GONNA BE CONCRETE? YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT? WHERE IS THAT, UH, THE, THE STEPS AROUND THE, THE FRONT PORCH THAT YOU'RE USING AS A WAY OF THE, THE, THE IDEA OF IT WOULD BE CONCRETE.

THERE, THERE'S SORT OF A CONCRETE VOCABULARY ON, UH, SOME OF THE HOUSES UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

BONNER HOUSE HAS THAT, AND UM, IT, IT, IT FELT LIKE, UM, IF WE PUT GRASS AND PLANTS AND, AND GRAVEL WITHIN IT, IT'S THE QUIETEST GESTURE.

WE WE'RE OPEN TO OTHER OPTIONS, BUT, BUT FELT LIKE THAT WAS, UM, UM, DIDN'T CONFLICT WITH ANY OF THE OTHER MATERIALS AND WE'RE NOT ADDING A NEW MATERIAL TO THE HOUSE.

I, I AGREE WITH THAT.

KEEP KEEP WITH THE A, A BASIC PALLET OF, OF MATERIALS.

SO, UM, IN GENERAL, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE, THE, THE COMMENTS FROM, FROM STAFF BEARING, KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES.

BUT THIS, THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL PIECE OF PROPERTY, EXTREMELY UNIQUE PROPERTY ON A, ON A BUSY STREET.

UM, SO I, I MOVE, UH, FOR APPROVAL.

CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION? SURE.

JUST ON THE FENCE, JUST BETWEEN THE HOMES, 'CAUSE I KIND OF AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.

THERE'S JUST ONE ITEM.

UM, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR SIX FEET.

I THINK EIGHT IS, IS ALLOWED AND, AND BECAUSE THE HOUSE SITS SO FAR OFF THE GROUND, EIGHT FEET WORKS.

IF IT'S SIX, WE'RE ASKING FOR SIX, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR VARIANCE.

WHATEVER THE ALLOWED DO, DO YOU? WELL, I THINK SIX IS THE GUIDELINES, RIGHT? SO SIX IS WHAT'S ALLOWED.

THEN IT'S SIX ESPECIALLY.

RIGHT AFTER THE WINDOW WE GO DOWN TO FOUR FEET.

UM, ARE YOU, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR GOING DOWN TO FOUR AFTER THAT WINDOW? YEAH.

WELL, I DON'T THINK WE EVEN WANT A FENCE AFTER THAT.

IT'S OPEN AFTER THAT.

BUT, BUT BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF THE SITE VIEWS THAT, UM, I KIND OF SHOWED THE WALL GOING DOWN OR IS IT JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT, IT GOES BEYOND THE WALL HERE.

SO THAT WOULD STEP DOWN.

OBVIOUSLY.

I, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE EXTENDED IT TO ALIGN WITH THE NEIGHBOR'S FRONT PORCH, THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, THE FRONT OF THEIR PORCH.

UM, THAT WOULD BE FOREFOOT OR THE WEST ELEVATION.

WEST ELEVATION, DRAWING ARCHITECTURE, DRAWING A TWO, YEAH, 32.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE TWO, THE STEP DOWN HERE.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT, WE, WE ARE INDEED ALIGNING IT WITH THE NEIGHBOR'S FRONT PORCH.

SO IT WOULD STEP DOWN TO 48 INCHES IN, IN, UH, WHERE THEIR FRONT PORCH IS.

AND UH, SO THEIR FRONT PORCH IS ALL THE WAY AT THE END OF WHAT I'M SEEING RIGHT NOW, OR AT THE END OF THE FOUR FEET, OR THE SIX AT THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE BEGINS AT THIS COLUMN AND IT GOES ANOTHER EIGHT OR 10 FEET TOWARDS THE STREET.

SO THE SIX FEET IS BASICALLY BY THE WINDOW, AND THEN

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CORRECT? I, I'LL BE, OKAY.

I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THAT.

YOU'RE ASKING THESE WALL HEIGHTS BASED ON THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE HOUSE? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASED ON THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE GRADE AT THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE, THERE, THERE'S, IT'S NOT CLEAR HERE, BUT THERE'S ABOUT, UH, 20 FEET BETWEEN THE EAST SIDE, EAST WALL OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH THE STIPULATION OF, OF THE, UH, THE SEPARATING WALL, UH, BEING LIMITED TO, TO SIX FEET UP TO THE PLANE OF THE HOUSE AND THEN DROPPING TO FOUR FEET AFTER THAT.

AND, UH, FURTHER STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE EAST AND THE WEST ELEVATIONS OF THE ADDITION, UH, THE ARCHITECT OWNER EXPLORE, UM, THE USE OF, UH, BLIND WINDOWS, UH, TO HELP BREAK UP THOSE FACADES.

CAN I ADD THAT FINAL DRAWINGS OF THAT JUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT THE, THAT THOSE, UH, THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO TODAY'S SUBMISSION BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR CONFIRMATION, JUST FOR STAFF ALSO.

UM, WOULD YOU INCLUDE THE STIPULATIONS OF SOME OF THE ITEMS? UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY THAT SEEMED RELEVANT, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD HAD KIND OF ELIMINATED A LOT OF THEM.

OUR DISCUSSION.

WELL, UM, PROBABLY JUST, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S A FRIENDLY, AND SO I, I DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH THAT.

UH, THAT ITEM THREE STIPULATION.

ONE THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS IS REQUIRED BY THE CITY'S ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

SECOND AND A SECOND.

ITEM B 17, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 67 AT FOUR 30 BURLESON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO BUILD A SOLID WOOD FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY FROM SIX FEET TALL AT THE REAR CARPORT TO FOUR FEET TALL IN THE FRONT FAC FACADE PLANE.

AGENDA ITEM B 17, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 67 AT FOUR 30 BURLESON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL.

WE, LET'S JUST TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE LOST A FEW COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A THREE MINUTES.

3, 3, 5 MINUTE BREAK.

AGENDA

[B-17 19-8637 Address/Description: 430 BURLESON ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-667 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Christopher Rucker Request: Perimeter fencing City Council Dist.: 2]

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FENCE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE FENCE HEIGHT IS NO TALLER THAN SIX FEET IN THE REAR AND THREE FEET PAST THE FRONT FACADE PLANE.

IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAINTAIN A HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT YARD, THEN THE FENCE MUST FEATURE A PREDOMINANTLY OPEN DESIGN SUCH AS A WOOD PICKET CA OR A CATTLE PANEL FENCE PER U D C CODE SECTION 35 5 14.

AN UPDATED DRAWING OR EXAMPLE PHOTO MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO INSTALLATION THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE.

I'M LESLIE GARCIA.

I'M HERE JUST REPRESENTING MY SON WHO JUST BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ON FOUR 30 BURLESON STREET.

HE COULDN'T MAKE THE MEETING TODAY.

UM, I THINK HE DID.

I THINK HE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING.

YOU HAVE ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS.

THE ONLY THING I THINK HE WAS REQUESTING WAS THAT THE FOREFOOT FOOT, APPARENTLY THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE FENCE THERE ON BURLESON IS ACTUALLY FOUR AND A HALF.

HE WANTED TO MATCH THE HEIGHT, BUT THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE.

THIS IS THE ONE, THE, UH, FADED WOOD IS HIS FENCE, BUT HE'S WILLING FOR THE OPEN CONCEPT HORIZONTAL SLATT.

AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CODE ISSUE FOR FRONT YARD FENCES.

UM, AND SO THE CODE SPECIFIES THE HEIGHTS THAT ARE ALLOWABLE FOR FRONT YARD FENCES.

UM, IT'S MAXIMUM OF THREE FEET FOR A SOLID FENCE AND UP TO FOUR FEET FORWARD.

WHAT IS A PREDOMINANTLY OPEN FENCE? SO THE TRANSPARENCY IS AN ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO HEIGHT FINE WITH THE OPEN CONCEPT.

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AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS ON BERRY'S SIDE, RIGHT? THE FENCE IT PER THE APPLICATION, IT'S A CORNER PROPERTY.

SO IT'S, IT'S WRAPPING AROUND FRONT SIDE, FRONT DOOR IS BURLESON SIDE TO THE CARPORT IS HACKBERRY.

SO MR. EDWARD, THE, THE, THE GROUND GOES A LITTLE BIT DOWN, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M BRAD GOES DOWN.

SO IS IS STAFF, UH, INTERPRETING THE, UH, THE HORIZONTAL SLAT FENCING THAT WE'RE SEEING THERE AS A PREDOMINANTLY OPEN FENCE TYPE OR 'CAUSE IN THE DESCRIPTION THAT'S IS DESCRIBED AS BEING SOLID, I BELIEVE PER THE U D C, UH, THE PREDOMINANTLY OPEN REFERS TO A SPACING THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE PICKET.

SO THE EXAMPLES PROVIDED WOULD NOT MEET THOSE SPECIFICATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

BUT IT COULD BE SIMILAR IN DESIGN AND BASICALLY IF APPROVED, WE WOULD WORK ON WHAT THE ACTUAL SPACING IS TO MAKE SURE IT CONFORMS ON, ON THIS IMAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT APPLY THOSE KIND OF LOOK LIKE THE PICKET SIGN BETWEEN THOSE THICKER ONES? YEAH, IT'S APPROACHING PREDOMINANTLY OPEN.

I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WHAT LIKE THIS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE ON THE SIDES, BUT NOT ON THE FRONT.

I MEAN, WELL WHAT ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, CATTLE LIKE FENCE THAT WE SEE PRINT, I THINK MOSTLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO? YOU KNOW, LIKE THE METAL CATTLE PANEL? UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR MORE TRANSPARENCY, AT LEAST OPENNESS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME.

IT'S A CORNER.

SO FRONT AND SIDE, I WOULDN'T BE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE ONE ALONG THE CARPORT PER CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE APPLICANT.

UH, THEY WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO GO TO A CATTLE PANEL OR ROT IRON.

THEY, UM, WERE PRETTY ADAMANT ON THE HORIZONTAL WOOD, UH, WOOD PRIVACY FENCE.

SO I DON'T SEE THE PRIVACY THERE BECAUSE THE GRADE GOES DOWN.

SO EVEN IF IT'S A FOREFOOT, I MEAN THERE'S NOT GONNA GIVE MUCH SECURITY OR PRIVACY IN ANY WAY OR KIND OF THE AESTHETICS.

AESTHETICS, THEY WERE TRYING TO MATCH THE BACK HORIZONTAL, KEEPING IT MORE TO THE, I THINK THE AESTHETICS OF THE WOOD LOOK.

I MEAN THE CATTLE WILL MATCH THE, THE BALCONY.

ARE THERE ANY EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FRONT FENCES TYPE I ONE OPTION THAT IF WE APPROVE A FRONT YARD FENCE WOULD BE EITHER A, UH, CATTLE PANEL FENCE SIMILAR TO THE BALCONY RAILING OR A HORIZONTAL WOOD FENCE THAT MEETS THE OPENNESS REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.

AND THEN LET THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF ON, UM, OPTIONS THERE.

UM, CATTLE PANEL FENCE STILL GO TO THE FOUR FOOT OR IS IT SHORTER IF THE THREE, IT WOULD BE FOUR FEET IF APPROVED AT FOUR FEET, I COULD, I THINK HE'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT.

I'LL DO A MOTION IF THAT'S OKAY.

SO MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, SIX FEET IN THE REAR AND FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT YARD.

I GUESS IT'S JUST, UM, SO APPROVED OF THE STIPULATION AS STAFF IS MAINTAINING A HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AND THE FENCE MUD FEATURE PREDOMINANTLY OPEN DESIGN SUCH AS WOOD PICKET OR CATTLE PANEL FENCE.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, SO IT'S, IT IS A CORNER LOT AND SO WHEN YOU SAY REAR, CAN YOU SEE REAR? UM, IT DOES MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE ONLY, THE SECTION OF THE SIX FEET WOULD BE

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THE SITE PLAN PLEASE.

OH, THERE, IT'S, I MEAN IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING WHAT'S IN RED? RIGHT, SO REAR OF THE HOME, SO ONLY BETWEEN WHERE THERE'S NEIGHBORING HOMES ON HACKBERRY AND BURLESON, BUT AFTER THE FRONT OF THE HOME YOU GO DOWN TO FOUR FEET.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES.

BUT THERE'S AN EXISTING FENCE ALREADY BETWEEN THE TWO, WHICH IS SIX FEET AS I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

? YES.

SO THE APPLICANT DOESN'T NEED ANY SIX FEET AT ALL? NO.

OKAY, SO NO APPROVE AT FOUR.

IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? THE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SIX FEET UNTIL THE BLACK LINE HERE.

OH, PORTION OF HACKBERRY? NO.

SO I SAY FOUR FEET ON HACKBERRY AND BURLESON THE FENCE THAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES ALONG THE CARPORT.

YOU SAID IT WAS ALREADY EXISTING AND IT'S SIX FEET.

SO THAT, THAT WILL JUST STAY AS IS AND IF HE WANTS TO EXTEND IT OVER TO THE END OF THE LOT WILL BE, HAD, HAVE TO BE FOUR FEET.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE OR NOT? IT'S NOT CLEAR ENOUGH.

WHAT, WHAT IS THE APPLICANT TRYING TO DO WITH THAT SIX FOOT FENCE THAT'S EXISTING? THERE IS A DRIVEWAY AND A AIRPORT THAT FACED THAT HACKBERRY AND I BELIEVE HE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE DRIVEWAY AREA MORE SECURE.

UM, THEY DO HAVE TWO DOGS TRYING TO GET A LITTLE, JUST A TALLER FENCE FOR THE BACK AREA FOR PETS.

BUT IT'S ALREADY SIX FOOT EXISTING JUST ON THE SIDE, NOT BY THE DRIVEWAY.

NO, BUT THE DRIVEWAY, IT'S AN OPEN CARPORT.

I MEAN THERE'S THE, WHERE THE FENCE STOPS, IT'S STOPS MOSTLY ALMOST AT THE END OF THE CARPORT, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOME, WHICH IS USUALLY WHAT WE WOULD APPROVE.

I'M, I'M STILL WITH THE MOTION BEING UH, FOUR FEET.

JUST SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CLARIFICATION, UH, AS YOUR CLEAR? NO, IT'S CLEAR TO US.

IS THE APPLICANT FOR 5 0 7 NORTH MONUMENTAL HERE? HAVEN'T BEEN.

[B-18 19-8641 Address/Description: 507 N MONUMENTAL HDRC Case No.: 2019-666 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Steve Santos Request: Installation of side yard fence City Council Dist.: 2]

IF THEY WERE HERE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.

UM, SO DO WE HAVE A UH, MOTION FOR ITEM B 18 5 0 7 NORTH MONUMENTAL MOTION TO POSTPONE TO NEXT MEETING BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE.

I AGREE WITH OUR COMMISSIONERS.

HE HASN'T BEEN HERE IN A WHILE, BUT UNLESS HE GOT LOCKED OUT.

I HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND, SECOND.

APPROVE MINUTE MEAN MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 6TH, 2019.

ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY.

MOTION PASSES MEETING MINUTES FROM

[Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for November 6, 2019.]

NOVEMBER 6TH.