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TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2026.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON.
AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, ES.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN ITEM FOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE UM, COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN AN ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE ATTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, WE DO DO HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT I'LL GET THROUGH, UH, IN A MINUTE.
UM, I GUESS WE WILL START WITH, UM, PRESERVATION MONTH.
UM, SO THIS IS OUR LAST HEARING BEFORE THE MONTH OF MAY.
BEGINS, MAY IS CELEBRATED NATIONALLY AS PRESERVATION MONTH.
UM, AND HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WE DO QUITE A NUMBER OF THINGS, UM, WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AS WELL AS OUR PARTNERS.
AND SO IF YOU GO TO SA SPEAK UP.COM/PRESERVATION MONTH OR EVEN JUST GOOGLE PRESERVATION MONTH, SAN ANTONIO, YOU WILL FIND THAT FULL LISTING OF EVENTS.
UM, FOR, UM, THE CITY, WE HAVE THE AMAZING PRESERVATION RACE.
UM, WE HAVE PICNIC IN A MOVIE IN THE EAST SIDE HISTORIC CEMETERIES.
UM, OUR PARTNERS SUCH AS THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND VILLA FINALE ALSO ARE HOSTING EVENTS, UM, THAT ARE EITHER FREE OR LOW COST TO ATTEND.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A, UM, OHB IS HOSTING A, UH, BECOME A CITIZEN HISTORIAN, UH, AS LECTURE, WHICH IS ABOUT HOW TO DO PROPERTY RESEARCH AND USE TOOLS AVAILABLE AT THE LIBRARY AND UM, ONLINE.
AND SO THOSE ARE ALL REALLY, UH, GREAT WAYS TO ENGAGE IN PRESERVATION HERE LOCALLY.
SO WE ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO CHECK OUT THAT CALENDAR OF EVENTS.
UM, AND THEN EARLIER THIS WEEK, THE CITY CLERK, UM, ANNOUNCED AN UPDATE TO THE WAY THAT, UH, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT, UH, MEET HERE IN THIS ROOM WOULD RECEIVE VOICEMAIL COMMENTS MOVING FORWARD.
UM, AND SO WE DID SUSPEND, UH, REC PLAYING RECORDINGS OF VOICEMAILS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE WILL BE DOING MOVING FORWARD IS YOU ALL HAVE A FOLDER ON YOUR DESKTOPS THAT CONTAINS LETTERS THAT WE GOT PRIOR TO THE HEARING.
WE WILL BEGIN TO INCLUDE TRANSCRIPTS OF VOICEMAILS RECEIVED.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO USE THAT SAME PHONE NUMBER, UM, TO RECEIVE VOICEMAILS.
UM, WE WILL USE THE TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE.
UM, THERE'S, IT'S GONNA BE AUTOMATED EVENTUALLY, BUT YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO A SPECIAL FOLDER WHERE YOU WILL HAVE, UM, ACCESS TO VOICEMAILS IN ADVANCE OF THE HEARING.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO READ THOSE TRANSCRIPTS, UM, AND GET THAT INFORMATION AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
WE WILL, WE WILL JUST NOT BE PLANNING THEM HERE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE FOR YOU ALL IN THE PUBLIC.
UM, WE DO HAVE JUST NOTE ON THE AGENDA, UM, A FEW VOICEMAILS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
AND SO THOSE SHOULD BE IN YOUR FOLDERS TODAY AS WELL AS A FEW LETTERS AS WELL.
UM, SO AT THIS TIME, UH, WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 1ST,
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE HCRC MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 1ST, 2026.SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
AND IF WE DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THAT ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS FIVE 10 DIVINE, HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED IN FOR THAT ITEM.
UM, AT THIS POINT WE WILL HEAR, UH, SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT.
UM, JUST NOTE THAT FOLDER YOU HAVE AT LEAST A LETTER IN THERE FOR ONE ITEM.
UM, AND THEN I WILL CALL UP A SPEAKER FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
I'M THERESA, CIA THERESA, IF YOU'RE HERE, YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM AT THIS TIME AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
NO, DID YOU WANNA SIGN IN FOR ITEM 14 ROOSEVELT? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
ARE YOU THERESA IN THE HAT? OKAY, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK TODAY ON ANY ITEM? NO, I'M GOOD.
DO ANY COMMISSION, WE SHOULD PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, SIR.
I WISH TO PULL ITEM NUMBER TWO.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FIVE AND ITEM NUMBER 8, 2, 5 AND EIGHT.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? HEARING NONE.
MAY I HAVE A, UM, MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, SIR.
I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEMS 1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, AND 13 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND, SORRY, SEVEN, UH, WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO SCRATCH THAT FROM MY MOTION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.
THANK YOU YOUR'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1301 EAST COMMERCE, 3 31 WEST COMMERCE, UH, FOUR 18 FLORIDA, 1914 EAST HOUSTON, TWO 16 LA VACA THREE 20 EAST COURTLAND PLACE, 5 0 2 NORTH ZAMORA, THREE 16 ARMY AND 2 0 1 WEST LINWOOD.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, UH, I'LL PULL UP ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS 1611 BROADWAY.
UH, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON POINTER HERE, AND JUST THE RED BUTTON.
HI, THIS IS A PROJECT AT 1611 BROADWAY.
MA'AM, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
AND BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER, UM, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS TO ASK.
UM, THE UDC FOR THIS AREA OF TOWN, UH, UNDER BUILDING ORIENTATION SAYS THE PLACEMENT OF A BUILDING ON A SITE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK, AS WELL AS HOW THE STRUCTURE WILL SUPPORT THE BROADER DESIGN GOALS FOR THE AREA.
AND WONDERING, UH, WHY THESE SMALL UTILITARIAN BUILDINGS ARE FRONTING ON BROADWAY AND, UH, NEWELL RATHER THAN BEING ON THE, UH, WEST AND NORTHWEST CORNERS OF THE SITE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCES ON THAT ALLEY.
THE PURPOSE OF THE OWNER WAS TO BRING IN THE PEOPLE FROM THE PEARL TO THIS MULTI-USE, UM, AREA.
AND, UM, AND THE OTHER ENTRANCE ON NEWELL, UM, ALSO MADE IT A STRAIGHT ACCESS POINT TO THAT, UM, RESTROOM THAT WE WERE GONNA PROVIDE FOR THIS SEASONAL FACILITY.
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UM, THE OTHER UDC, UH, REGARDING SERVICE AREAS AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, UH, LOCATE SERVICE ENTRANCES, WASTE DISPOSAL AREAS, AND OTHER SIMILAR USES ADJACENT TO SERVICE LANES AND AWAY FROM MAJOR STREETS IN THE RIVER.UH, ALL EXHAUST SYSTEMS OR OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT GENERATE NOISE, SMOKE OR ODORS SHALL BE LOCATED, SHALL NOT BE LOCATED AT THE PEDE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL AND TO MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACTS OF EXTERIOR BUILDING LIGHTING.
AND, UH, THE PLAN CURRENTLY HAS A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, UH, BASICALLY ON NEWELL AND A EMERGENCY GENERATOR.
UH, ALSO HAS, UH, VERY UTILITARIAN WALL PACKED LIGHTS.
THAT FRONT ONTO THE, UH, PUBLIC SIDEWALKS.
AND THERE'S AN EXHAUST VENT FROM THE RESTROOM TOWARDS THE, UH, SIDEWALK.
AND, UH, WONDERING ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THESE, UM, AND WHETHER THEY CAN BE, UH, RELOCATED.
SO WE'VE ALREADY, UM, COORDINATED THAT WE SAW YOUR QUESTION WITH THE MEP, SO HE'LL BE RELOCATING THE EXHAUST.
THEY WON'T BE ON BROADWAY OR ON NEWELL.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE GENERATOR AND THE DUMPSTER, THEY'LL BE FENCED, UM, WITH A SIX FOOT OPAQUE, UM, CEDAR FENCE FENCING PART OF THE APPLICATION.
SO IN MY RESPONSES THAT WE'LL BE PROVIDING, UM, WE'LL BE UPDATING OUR DRAWINGS AND WE WILL BE REVISING OUR WALL PACKS TO DECORATIVE LIGHT FIXTURES.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS A CONFLICT BETWEEN SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THEY SHOWED.
THE, UM, WHAT'S THAT? THE TRANSFORMER? YES.
UH, SOME OF 'EM SHOWED IT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESTROOM BUILDING AND SOME SHOWED IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RESTROOM BUILDING.
UM, CIVIL AND LANDSCAPE HAVE REVISED DRAWINGS.
THEY SUBMITTED FOR SITE FIRST AND THEN WE GOT A CPS COMMENT, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS REVISED.
UM, BUT WE'LL BE PROVIDING THOSE DRAWINGS WITH THIS RESPONSE PACKAGE WITH THE REVISED DRAWINGS.
SO THE FINAL LOCATION IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RESTROOM BED PER CPS? IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YES.
UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW,
DO OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? YEAH, I DO.
UM, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, THE BATHROOM BUILDING IS JUST GOING TO BE SWITCHED WITH THE TRANSFORMER? YES.
UH, AND IT, WHY COULD IT NOT ROTATE 90 DEGREES TO BE UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, WE TRIED TO SQUEEZE IT IN, BUT PER THE, UM, CPS POLE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, FOR A THREE PHASE, IT JUST HAD TO BE PUT BECAUSE OF CLEARANCES WITH, UM, THE BATHROOM WITH THE TRANSFORMER.
WHAT ABOUT THE BATHROOM? OH, UH, AS AN, AS A WAY TO GET THAT UTILITARIAN BUILDING MORE IN DEEPER INTO THE LOT AND AWAY FROM THE STREET FACE.
WELL, SO YOU'RE SAYING PUTTING IT IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, JUST TO THE WEST, TO THE WEST OF IT JUST TO GET IT OFF THE STREET.
'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE IS LIKE ON THE STREET LEVEL OF HAVING SO MUCH STREET FRONTAGE MM-HMM
OCCUPIED WITH LITTLE UTILITARIAN THINGS, YOU KNOW.
UM, I'LL DISCUSS IT WITH THE OWNER.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE WANNA USE THIS MIDDLE AREA FOR THIS SEASONAL, IT'LL HAVE A POTENTIAL ICE RINK AND PUMPKIN PATCH AND EASTER FACILITIES.
SO IF WE PUSH THE UTILITIES INSIDE, THEN YOU KNOW, WE WON'T HAVE THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO, UM, BE ABLE TO BE USED AS.
HOW MANY DAYS A YEAR DO YOU PROJECT THIS IS BEING PROGRAMMED WITH CUSTOMERS? HE WANTS IT FULL AS MUCH AS HE CAN.
I'LL GET THE EXACT, UM, DAYS ABOUT HALLOWEEN, EASTER, HALLOWEEN, EASTERS, HE'S, UM, HE MENTIONED SOME SUMMER ACTIVITIES AND WINTER, SO THAT'LL BE ALL THROUGHOUT I ICE RINK.
YOU COULD PROBABLY HAVE IT TILL LIKE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
THEN IT'LL ROTATE INTO EASTER FACILITIES AND THEN SUMMER.
UM, AND THEN THE PUMPKIN PATCH.
WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT, WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS NOW? SORRY.
OKAY, SO, WHICH IS A VACANT LOT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY, THEY, THEY DO PROVIDE THE PUMPKIN AND THE ICE RINK RIGHT NOW, BUT THE REST OF THE YEAR, YES.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE, YOU'RE ENCOURAGING ACCESS FROM THE ALLEYWAY MM-HMM
FROM POINTS WEST, UM, THERE'S STILL A GOOD AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT CAN BE USED FOR
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THE UTILITY AND THE, UM, WHAT IS THIS? THE, THE, THE DUMPSTER, THE TRANSFORMER TO PUT ON THAT WEST PROPERTY LINE.YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND THEY'RE JUST BYPASS, BYPASSING THAT VOLUME AND JUST GOING IN TO A LARGER SPACE.
DID YOU THINK ABOUT, UM, DID YOU CONSIDER PUTTING THAT, THAT USE ON THAT WEST SIDE? I'LL DISCUSS IT WITH THE OWNER AND SEE IF WE CAN, UM, READJUST SOMETHING SO IT'S NOT ON, ON THE STREET.
BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE IF YOU COULD GET MORE OF THE PROGRAMMED ACTIVITY ON THE EDGES, THAT WOULD BE A REAL ENCOURAGEMENT FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN, UH, OR TO SEE IT AND WANT TO COME IN.
ON THE BROADWAY AND THE NEWELL SIDE? YES.
THANK YOU TO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, FOR THIS APPLICANT? MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS, UH, APPLICATION TO A DRC, UH, SO WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UM, LET THEM HAVE AN, A OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
WHEN WOULD THAT BE RC BE, UH, AT SOONEST, UH, POSSIBILITY.
SECOND AND FURTHER DISCUSSION, I JUST WANTED TO A COMMENT IF I CAN MISS, PLEASE.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY, UM, I'M, I MEAN THE MOTION, BUT I DO AGREE WITH NOT HAVING TOO MUCH INTERACTION WITH BROADWAY.
'CAUSE IT IS KIND OF A VISITING BUSY INTERSECTION AND I WANT PEOPLE STOPPING AND GETTING OFF CARS OR UBERS STOP RINGS.
SO I ACTUALLY WOULD AGREE TO MOST OF THE ACTIVITY DRAW TOWARDS THE ALLEY.
UM, IT'S A LIGHT THAT'S VERY, VERY SHORT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, UM, ENCOURAGED, BUT SOMETHING COMING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE PERMANENT THERE, SO THANK YOU.
FURTHER COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
IT'S THREE 12 WEST CORTLAND PLACE.
UM, I BELIEVE RONNIE, UM, RONNIE ECKLES IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, SO HE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
I'M STANDING IN FOR MY COLLEAGUE STEVEN WILLIAMS. WE'RE WITH TEXAS ARCHITECTURE WORKSHOP.
THANK, CAN YOU ADJUST THE MIC UP? MY APOLOGIES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
UH, YEAH, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, AS I'M GOING THROUGH THE DRAWINGS, UM, AND I SEE THE UPPER RAILING ON THE FRONT, THE METAL RAILING THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT HIM TO PLACE TO GET THE, FOR THE, UH, BALCONY.
YEAH, THE TERRACE LEVEL, BECAUSE YOU NEED TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, RIGHT? YES.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY DETAILS OF THAT, WHETHER IT'S THE PROFILE OR HOW THAT'S BEING INSTALLED.
SO WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING, SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A PREFACE OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE DRAWINGS, GIVEN THE, I GUESS, FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT OUR CLIENT MAY HAVE TO UNDERGO TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, WHERE WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO PULL TOGETHER PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS MM-HMM
JUST FOR A HIGH LEVEL KIND OF REVIEW TO SEE WHAT OTHER COMPLICATIONS MAY COME UP WITH THE, UH, ANALYSIS OF THE STRUCTURE AND JUST THE OVERALL IDEA FOR THAT TERRACE.
UH, THE IDEA IS THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SENT BACK AWAY FROM THE EXISTING PARAPET MM-HMM.
SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO SET IT ON THE PARAPET.
UH, I CAN PROVIDE A SUPPLEMENTAL DETAIL, UH, IF NEEDED OR OBVIOUSLY I, I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT ALSO CAME UP WITH SOME OF THE REPAIRS THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL REVIEW, BUT WE WOULD WANT THAT TO BE IN BOARD.
SO ONCE WE ESTABLISHED WHAT THE PAVING MATERIAL WOULD BE ON THAT DECK, WE WOULD WORK OUT A DETAIL TO WHERE THAT RAILING DID NOT INTERFERE OR IMPACT ANY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
BECAUSE THAT PRECAST BALLAST RATE AT THE TOP IS JUST A PERFECT CONDITION, ISN'T IT? YES.
NOW WE, WE ONLY WANT TO CLEAN ANYTHING TO THE EXTERIOR.
I THINK THE ONLY MODIFICATION THAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING JUST FOR FUNCTIONALITY WOULD BE THE TWO DOORS.
UH, THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE TERRACE.
DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? YES, SIR.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME CORRESPONDENCE BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF YES, SIR.
AND JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE ELEVATOR TOWER, UM, I KNOW DEPENDING ON WHAT ELEVATOR MANUFACTURER IS SELECTED.
UH, SOME OF THEM REQUIRE AN OVERRUN MM-HMM
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THE TOP FLOOR.AND SO, UM, HAS THE ELEVATOR ACTUALLY BEEN SELECTED YET? NOT YET.
WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THAT.
THE IDEA IS TO USE A HYDRAULIC UNIT OR SIMILAR SO THAT THE EQUIPMENT CAN EXIST EITHER IN THE BASEMENT AREA BELOW THE STAIRS MM-HMM
AND WE JUST SIMPLY HAVE THE ACTUATOR COMING FROM THE GROUND UP SO THAT WE AVOID THE NEED FOR AN OVERRUN.
UM, I BELIEVE WHEN WE REVIEWED, STEVEN AND I REVIEWED EVEN WITH A POTENTIAL OVERRUN BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN PREVIOUS PROJECTS, THAT THAT WOULD NOT EXCEED THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF THE RIDGE.
BUT WE WILL INFORM YOU ALL IF THAT DOES, AND COME BACK TO HGRC FOR THAT APPROVAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR? I'D BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MOTION, UM, TO ACCEPT THE REQUEST ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 8 2 18 ADAMS AND THE, UH, APPLICANT'S HERE IN PERSON.
I'M THE RESIDENT OF TWO 18 ADAMS STREET.
I JUST, UM, I AGREE WITH ALL OF STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A STIPULATION TO REQUEST A FULL DETAILED AND DIMENSION SITE PLAN IN THE FINAL YES.
WE, YES, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.
BUT, UM, IN MAKING A MOTION, I WOULD ADD A STIPULATION TO INCLUDE THAT SITE PLAN VERY WELL.
UM, QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER THE COMMISSIONERS? UM, SO I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION PLEASE, MA'AM.
UM, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 3 AND ADDED FOUR TO PROVIDE A FULLY DETAILED AND DIMENSION SITE PLAN.
A SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
UH, I, I JUST LET WOULD ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA ON THE ELEVATIONS, ARE YOU ASKING FOR MORE DETAILED ELEVATIONS AS WELL? UH, ROOF FACIA BOARD, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT? I THINK YES.
UM, SOME OF THAT IS INCLUDED IN STAFF STIPULATIONS.
FURTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYONE.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
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ITEM NUMBER 14, PLEASE.ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 0 9 1 34 6 ROOSEVELT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL FENCING AND WALLS AROUND THE PROPERTY.
WR IRON FENCING WILL BE INSTALLED ALONG THE NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES.
A MASONRY WALL WILL BE INSTALLED ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE PARALLEL TO WOODHULL DRIVE IN ROOSEVELT AVENUE, AND ALONG A PORTION OF THE SOUTHERN FACADE ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE.
THE PROPOSED WR IRON FENCING AND MASONRY WALLS WERE REPLACED.
CHAIN LINK FENCING TWO TO PERFORM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES ON SITE, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW FACADE MATERIALS IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF ENTRANCE CANOPIES AND PAINTING.
THREE, TO ENLARGE AN EXISTING SIDE ADDITION AND CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO AN EXISTING METAL BUILDING.
FOUR TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING MATERIALS THAT INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF GROUND COVER AND SHRUBBERY.
AND FIVE TO INSTALL A WALL SIGN ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE SOUTHERN STRUCTURE.
I'LL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THE INSTALLATION OF TWO PY LINE SIGNS WITH INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINETS.
THESE SIGNS ARE PROHIBITED BY THE UDC SECTION 35 6 78, AND THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
GUIDELINES FOR OUTAGE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT FENCING AND WALLS NOT EXCEED SIX FEET ON SITE PER THE UDC SECTION.
35 514 IS NOTED IN FINDING C AND AT THE PROPOSED SOLID WALL,
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NOT EXTEND PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE SOUTHERN BUILDING ON SITE TWO, THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.THREE, THAT A SIGNAGE PACKAGE BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION IS NOTED IN FINDING G SIGNAGE SHOULD NOT EXCEED 50 SQUARE FEET UNLESS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION FOR THAT A LIGHTING PLAN AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR LIGHTING ON SITE BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFFER.
REVIEW AND APPROVAL LIGHTING SHOULD NOT RESULT IN LIGHT POLLUTION.
AND FIVE, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED.
THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE.
UH, THE APPLICANT, JAVIER GONZALEZ, IS HERE IN PERSON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, I, JAVIER GONZALEZ, UH, DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND PRINCIPAL WITH GRG ARCHITECTURE.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMM, UH, COMMISSIONER AND THE CHAIR AND ESTEEM MEMBERS OF STAFF, OTHERS FRIENDS THAT ARE HERE.
THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND, UH, I, YEAH, I'M GLAD I'M LAST ON THE AGENDA, SO I'LL, I'LL TRY AND BE BRIEF.
UH, ALTHOUGH WE ARE LAST AND WON'T BE HERE TOO LONG, AND THERE ARE SOME ENCOURAGING THINGS I HEARD, UH, FROM, UH, SOME MEMBERS OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND SO FORTH AS I WALKED IN, THEY, THEY SHARED WITH ME.
SO, UH, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL CASE.
UM, UH, A FRIEND OF OURS ASKED US TO, TO HELP THEM, UH, A NEW FRIEND, UH, JOEL'S COLLISION REPAIR.
UH, THEY, UH, SAW AN OPPORTUNITY, BOUGHT THIS, UH, BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT BY MISSION SAN JOSE WITH GRAND VISIONS OF, OF IMPROVING THE PROPERTY AND SO FORTH.
AND THEY GOT AHEAD OF THEMSELVES AND BUILT, UH, AN ADDITION WITHOUT PERMITS OR COMING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS SUCH AS ZONING, HTRC AND SO FORTH.
SO WE'RE KIND OF WORKING IN REVERSE.
SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE LITERALLY BUILT ALREADY.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, CONSEQUENCES THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER HAS, HAS, HAS SUFFERED, UH, STARTING WITH, UH, LOSING THEIR, THEIR, UH, THERE ARE SOME, SOME OF THEIR NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO ZONING.
AND HE'S LOST ABOUT A YEAR, UH, IN HIS LIFE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO OPEN A BUSINESS AND OPERATE AND SO FORTH.
UH, NOW AS, AS BAD AS THAT SOUNDS, YOU CAN IMAGINE IF YOU'RE A A, A A, AN ACTIVE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HOW THAT FEELS ON YOUR SIDE.
SO THEY'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, RAISED THE EYE OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, LOTS OF INTEREST, LOTS OF ISSUES COMING BACK AND FORTH.
SO, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THE, THE, THE OWNER, UH, IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THEM WITH THEM.
OUR LATEST, UH, UH, FINDINGS AFTER PRESENTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION JUST ON MONDAY.
AND SO, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
LOTS OF POSITIVE THINGS, STILL SOME THINGS TO WORK THROUGH, AND SOME REALLY, UH, I THINK INSPIRED DETAILS AND IDEAS AND MATERIALITY, I THINK COULD REALLY MAKE THIS FROM BEING A, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT IT IS TO SOMETHING MORE SPECIAL AND APPROPRIATE, UH, ALONG THE MISSIONS.
UH, SO LET ME, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND, AND JUST KIND OF PAINT THE PICTURE FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS LITERALLY THE BIRTHPLACE OF OUR, OF OUR CULTURE, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR HISTORY HERE, RIGHT OUTSIDE, UH, THE DOOR OF THE MISSION.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOW WORLD HERITAGE SITE.
YOU KNOW, SOME MEMBERS PRESENT WE'RE, WE'RE EVEN IN GERMANY WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY FOUGHT AND GOT THAT, THE DESIGNATION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE ALL PROUD OF.
BUT THE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS A, UH, YOU KNOW, A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, CHAIN, A CHAIN LINK FENCE AND SHEET METAL, UH, FENCING TO, TO BLOCK THE VIEWS AND SO FORTH FOR, FOR 60 YEARS WITH LITTLE TO NO INVESTMENT AND IMPROVEMENT TO IT.
IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN SAY WE'RE PROUD OF IN THE MISSION, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO THE NEW OWNER SOUGHT TO IMPROVE THAT.
NOW, CERTAINLY, IF YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES AND IMAGINE WHAT, WHAT IS THIS VISION OF WORLD HERITAGE SITE, WHAT SHOULD IT BE? IT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, DESERVES, UH, SOMETHING SPECIAL, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
UH, THAT, THAT PLAN, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY IS 20 YEARS OUT.
UH, SO AS WE LOOK TO OUR FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE OUGHT TO BE, AND WE, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE AND WITH THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE.
THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME KIND OF VISION PLAN.
UH, MUCH LIKE WHEN I WAS, UH, ON THE FOUNDING BOARD FOR H PARK.
YOU KNOW, WE PULLED TOGETHER THE COMMUNITY, WE HAD A MASTER PLAN, AND IT DIDN'T EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, SPELL OUT THE WAY, BUT IT POINTED THE WAY.
AND SO THERE WAS SOMETHING TO POINT TO IN, IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, IN A MANNER OF SPEAKING TO, TO BRING US BACK TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THIS IS BRINGING, UH, NEW INVESTMENT.
THIS IS BRINGING NEW LIFE, NEW BUSINESS TO THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT OUTSIDE SAN JOSE, JOSE.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE ULTIMATE, UH, END WISH.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO PRESENTING THE REST OF THIS TO YOU.
I, I DO THINK YOU, YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN HEARING SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE NEIGHBORS ASSOCIATION.
WE DID HAVE, UH, I THOUGHT A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
UH, THE OWNER WAS SOMEWHAT RETICENT IN LETTING US MEET WITH THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION,
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CONSIDERING THAT THE, THE, THE BUMPS AND BRUISES HE GOT DURING THE ZONING PROCESS, UH, I THINK HE EARNED THOSE, TO BE QUITE HONEST.BUT HE'S A GOOD GUY, HE AND HIS WIFE, AND THEY INTEND TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
AND SO WITH THAT, MAYBE I SHOULD STEP ASIDE AND LET THEM SPEAK.
AND I BET YOU GUYS ARE GONNA WANT TO WEIGH IN.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR, AND MY MARCHING ORDERS ARE FOR REQUESTING FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, ON ACTUALLY ALL THESE THINGS.
UH, AND THE IDEA IS TO, TO, YOU KNOW, BRING FORTH THE IDEA OF A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL SO WE CAN HAVE TIME TO WORK TOGETHER, REALLY PRODUCE, UH, SOLID PRESENTATION DRAWINGS, WHICH WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, I I, I DIDN'T MAKE IT CLEAR AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
THIS WAS AN ENGINEER OR SOMEBODY ELSE.
UH, AND THEN JUST TO, YOU KNOW, FAST FORWARD, LET, LET'S SAY WE'RE WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET THROUGH THE HDRC PROCESS AND HAVE THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE OWNER'S STILL GONNA HAVE TO TAKE PROPER DRAWINGS, SEALED AND SIGNED DRAWINGS THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE AT THE DSD CENTER.
AND SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING AWAY WITH ANYTHING.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UH, A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.
SO WITH THAT, UH, CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO STEP ASIDE AND ALLOW THE, UH, MEMBERS THAT, THAT WISH TO SPEAK, SPEAK? GIMME ONE MOMENT ON THAT, SIR.
SO, CORY, DO, UM, THEY'RE ALREADY SIGNED UP OR ARE WE JUST, UM, YEAH, WE HAVE SEVERAL IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.
YES, PLEASE STEP ASIDE, SIR, AND WE'LL HAVE THE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, AND THEN WE'LL CALL BACK UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE.
MS. BOUCHER WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
BARBARA WOOD HOWELL HAS SIGNED IN AND HAS YIELDED HER TIME JUST TO HOLD.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I AM THE FIRST VICE PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
WE WERE, UM, ASKED BY THE COUNCILWOMAN FROM THE DISTRICT'S OFFICE TO FACILITATE SOME MEETINGS BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, AND, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS REPRESENTED BY THE ARCHITECT, WHOM YOU'VE JUST HEARD FROM.
UM, THAT MEETING TOOK PLACE ON MONDAY AFTERNOON OF THIS WEEK.
AND WE DO BELIEVE AS, UH, XAVIER SAID THAT PROGRESS WAS MADE.
UH, AND THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED IS THAT, UM, UH, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT THE ARCHITECT IS NEW ON THE JOB AND DOES NOT YET HAVE DRAWINGS AND ILLUSTRATIONS THAT WILL EXPLAIN EXPLICITLY AND ACCURATELY PORTRAY WHAT IT IS THAT THEY ARE INTENDING TO DO.
UM, FOR THAT REASON, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS ASKING THAT THIS GROUP, UH, USE WHATEVER MEANS THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU TO CONDITIONALLY MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD, UH, AND THAT YOU REVISIT, UH, ALL OF THIS ONCE THE ARCHITECTS HAVE HAD THE TIME TO PRODUCE THE DRAWINGS SO THAT IT IS CLEAR EXACTLY WHAT THEY WILL BE DOING.
WE WENT OVER ABOUT SEVEN DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, FEEL THAT THEY HAVE.
AND THEY OFFERED, UH, THEIR COMMENTS TO THE ARCHITECT.
THEY WERE VERY RECEPTIVE, AND THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WILL CONSIDER THOSE, UM, AS THEY PRODUCE THESE DRAWINGS FOR THE OWNER, THEIR CLIENT.
UH, WE THINK ALL OF THAT, UH, IS, UM, SOUNDING VERY GOOD.
UH, BUT WE STILL THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER STEP HERE.
WHATEVER THAT STEP IS THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR DISPOSAL, WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT, THAT YOU, UM, EXPLAIN TO THE ARCHITECT AND THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE WHAT THEIR FINAL PRODUCT IS AS WELL BEFORE THEY, UH, BEFORE YOU GIVE FINAL APPROVAL.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY WOULD RECOMMEND.
MI MR. CHAIR MIGHT ASK YOU A QUESTION.
UH, UM, PER PERHAPS, UM, WHAT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED THROUGH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, IT, IT, IT'S, UH, DESCRIBES A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE ALL THE RIGHT PARTNERS FROM THE COUNCIL PERSON TO THE ARCHITECT TO THE COMMUNITY, OR ON THE TABLE.
IT WOULD SEEM THAT ONE PLACE THAT THE CO, THAT THE HDRC INTERVENES AT THAT LEVEL IS THROUGH DRCS.
SO PERHAPS, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO INTERVENE AT THE, AT THE, YOU SAY CON CONSULTATION LEVEL AS EVERYONE WORKS THROUGH, PER, UH, PROVIDING THAT AMOUNT
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OF TIME.SO THE ARCHITECTS HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING CONVERGES AT THE RIGHT TIME TO COME HERE FOR EITHER CONCEPTUAL OR FOR WHATEVER WOULD BE DEEMED APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME.
AND, BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS, AND SO ONCE WE GET DONE THAT PART, THEN WE CAN, IF THAT'S A MOTION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER, THEN WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE FLOOR AND THEN UNDERSTOOD, SIR.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JANE HENRY.
MS. HENRY WILL ALSO HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
PRISA CABRAL IS HERE AND HAS YIELDED HER TIME.
I'M PRESIDENT OF MISSIONS SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND DO I HAVE TO GET MY ADDRESS? WE'RE JUST, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY OR WHERE TO START.
IF THIS IS, UM, WELL, THIS TIME, THIS TIME IS FOR YOU.
YOU HAVE COMMENTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE, YOU CAN, UM, SO IF YOU HAVE PREPARE COMMENTS, YOU CAN USE THEM OR ABUSE WHEN TO SPEAK FROM SHOWING ME MEMORY.
WHATEVER YOU, THE TIME IS YOURS RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, I, I DO KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BUT IS THIS THE PROPER TIME TO SAY IT? YES, MA'AM.
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.
BULLETED ON YET, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
THEN I CAN TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR, IN OUR MEETING.
FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR REFERENCE HERE IS THE MISSION, UM, MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL, THE ROOSEVELT IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
AND, UM, ALL THESE ARE DESIGNED AS GUIDELINES AND PROTECTIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE, AROUND THE MISSION SAN JOSE AND, UH, THE MISSION DISTRICT IN GENERAL.
UM, SO, UM, HAVING, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THERE'S REASON THAT THE, UM, THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD OF THE ZONING COMMISSION, UH, DENIED JOEL JOEL'S COLLISION, UH, NON-CONFORMING USE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, HE DIDN'T, UM, HE DIDN'T FILE THE PREVIOUS ONE, DID NOT HAVE, PREVIOUS OWNER DID NOT HAVE ONE.
JOEL DIDN'T FILE IN TIME OR SOMETHING.
ANYWAY, THEY WENT OVER A LOT OF STUFF AND, UH, HE HAD ALREADY PRETTY MUCH BUILT WHAT HE WANTED WITHOUT PERMITS BEFORE.
UM, HE APPLIED FOR, OR CAME UP FOR A REVIEW OF THE, UH, NCU.
HE APPEALED, THEY DENIED IT AGAIN AND RECOMMENDED THAT HE SEEK A ZONING CHANGE PERHAPS TO FIT WHAT HE HAD BUILT.
AND THEY RECOMMENDED AN AN L, WHICH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT THAT DOES NOT FIT WITHIN THE, UM, THE LAND USE, THE COMMERCIAL COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO WHEN IT GOT TO THE ZONING COMMISSION, UM, THEY DECIDED TO, THEY LISTENED TO EVERYTHING AND DECIDED TO GIVE HIM A, UM, UH, C TWO CD, UH, WHEN IN FACT HE NEEDED SOMETHING MORE INTENSE, UH, C3 CC THREE OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
IN ANY CASE, THEY GOT THEIR ZONING AND NOW THEY'RE APPLYING FOR SOME KIND OF WAY TO MAKE IT MORE PLEASING AND, AND PALATABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL, THERE WAS NO ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY.
AND THAT IS SHOCKING, AND SOMEONE ELSE WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT HERE.
UH, AND I'M GLAD THAT THE HDRC RECOMMENDS IT, THAT THAT MUST BE DONE.
ALTHOUGH THEY'LL HAVE TO, IT IS UNDER CONCRETE.
I MEAN, THEY'VE ALREADY BUILT THIS STUFF.
UM, THEN, UM, THE, UM, SMOKESTACKS, I CALL 'EM SACKS.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY, THEY DON'T, UH, EXUDE SMOKE, BUT THEY'RE BUILT AS VENTILATION SHAFTS.
THEY'RE ABOUT EIGHT FEET HIGH, I BELIEVE.
AND, UH, THEY STILL FIT WITHIN.
THEY BRING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING STILL WITHIN THE, UH, M POD RESTRICTIONS.
THEY BLOCK, THEY COMPETE WITH THE VIEW OF THE BELL TOWER, THE DOME.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY JUST SCREAM INDUSTRIAL IN RIGHT ACROSS FROM A NATIONAL PARK.
SO THE TEXAS ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, THE TCEQ OFFERS A SOLUTION FOR THAT, WHICH I HAVE SUBMITTED TO PARTIES.
GO AHEAD, MAY I, OH, THANK YOU.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF,
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UH, VENTILATION SYSTEMS. ONE IS, IT GOES THROUGH THIS, THE STACKS.AND THIS IS FOR THE PAINT SPRAY? YES.
DO YOU WANNA SAY IS WILLING TO WORK WITH
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT OUR MEETING THE OTHER DAY WITH, WITH THE, UM, ARCHITECTS, NOT ARCHEOLOGISTS, AND, UM, BUT WE STILL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET, UNABLE TO GET ANY KIND OF RESPONSE FROM THE OWNER, BUT WE HOPE THAT HE WILL BE, UH, AMENABLE TO THAT SOLUTION.
THERE'S THE SOLUTION IS THERE AN IS AN INTERIOR RECIRCULATED, UM, VENTILATION SYSTEM AND FILTERING SYSTEM THAT THEY COULD USE SO THAT THOSE STACKS WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY AT ALL.
UM, THEN, UH, THE FENCING AT HIS FOUR 10, UH, SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10, UM, LOCATION.
HE HAS ELECTRIFIED FENCING, 7,000 VOLTS.
WE WANNA STIPULATION THAT HE WILL NOT EVER HAVE AN ELECTRIFIED FENCE AT THIS LOCATION OR A DOUBLE FENCE.
HE ALSO HAS DOUBLE FENCING OUT THERE WITH THE WROUGHT IRON ON THE OUTSIDE AND THEN SEVERAL FEET INSIDE A STONE WALL.
OKAY, MA'AM, THAT, OH, YES, THAT, THAT'LL CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS.
I GAVE YOU EXTRA MINUTE 'CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME THINGS, BUT, OKAY.
AND, AND YES, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK OUT WITH STIPULATIONS AND AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE JUST NEED MORE DESIGNS, UH, UH, AMONG OTHER THINGS.
UH, BRENDA PACHECO, HELLO TO ALL OF YOU.
UH, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME FORTH AND, UH, EXPRESS HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.
UM, SO MA'AM, IF YOU CAN, I, I KNOW HE INTRODUCED YOU, BUT PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
HE'S HUFF FORMER ADDRESS AS 67 11 SAN JOSE DRIVE.
CAN YOU BRING UP THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS PAGE AND, OKAY.
SO RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER FIVE.
THAT IS WHAT I AM MOST CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING LIVED IN THAT AREA ALL MY LIFE, HAVING BEEN, UM, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST FAMILIES OF SAN JOSE.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY ARTIFACTS IN THAT AREA.
I HOPE THERE ARE NO, NO REMAINS, BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR AREA, I DON'T KNOW, WAS EVER IDENTIFIED AS A CAMP SANTO.
BUT ALTHOUGH THOSE ARCHEOLOGICAL, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL 'EM, DIGS WERE NOT DONE IN THE PAST.
I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT IT COULD BE DONE NOW BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THERE ARE THINGS THERE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY IS RIGHT ACROSS WHAT IS NOW THE, UH, VISITOR CENTER.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
ALL OF THAT WAS CONSIDERED THE SAN JOSE COMPOUND, SAN JOSE CHURCH COMPOUND.
THERE WAS A BUSINESS I KNOW ACROSS THE STREET WHAT WOULD BE, UH, THE BACK DOOR OF, AND IT WAS A BAR AND THEN HOUSES.
THERE WERE HOUSES ON WOODHULL.
SO I AM QUITE CERTAIN THAT IF THEY DID ARCHEOLOGICAL DIG OR OR EXPLORATION, THEY WILL FIND SOMETHING THERE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO SAN ANTONIO AND THE WORLD HERITAGE SITE.
SO BEFORE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF GETS STARTED, I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN FIRST BEFORE WE GO ON ANY, GO ON ANY FURTHER WITH RENDITIONS OR WHATEVER IT IS, I THINK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
AND ALSO, CAN I HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE? UM, I BELONG TO THE AMERICAN INDIANS OF TEXAS SPANISH COLONIAL MISSIONS AND RAM VASQUEZ ZD.
WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND HE ALSO AGREES THAT THERE SHOULD BE, UM, A DIG BEFORE ALL OF CONSTRUCTION CONTINUES.
LAST SPEAKER IS BRADY ALEXANDER.
I, MY NAME IS BRADY ALEXANDER, 1 8 3 9 EAST PYRON.
I REPRESENT THE HOT WELLS MISSION REACH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
OUR ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS MISSION SAN JOSE'S REQUEST FOR A CONTINUANCE ON THIS.
SO MAPS AND OTHER TECHNICAL DATA CAN BE GONE OVER.
UH, CURRENTLY IT'S JUST BASICALLY BASED ON WORDS.
UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ENDS UP BEING DONE ON THE SITE AND THE DESIGN, ET CETERA, UH, THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT AS AUTHENTIC AS YOU CAN GET IN THIS AREA.
A PROPERTY IS PURCHASED, THE BUYER DECIDES TO TRY TO DO LIKE THE OLD CELL PHONE PLAN.
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ARE FREE.LET'S TRY TO GET AWAY WITH, IT.
THE CITY DOES NOTHING CENTRAL AC DONE.
THIS SITE IS THE FIRST PRIVATELY OWNED PIECE OF LAND SOUTH OF THE MISSION, SAN JOSE VISITOR CENTER.
THIS SETS A PRECEDENT FOR WHAT WILL GO IN NEXT TO IT.
THIS DISINVESTMENT IN THIS AREA HAS ALSO CAUSED NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TO PUT PROPERTY UP FOR SALE.
IT IS REALLY SAD THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF REZONING THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
THERE WAS A DOWN ZONING THAT OCCURRED WHEN WORLD HERITAGE, UH, DESIGNATION OCCURRED.
EVERYTHING HAD TO GO BACK IF IT WAS VACANT FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.
SO FAR, TWO PROPERTIES HAVE GONE BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE.
UM, NEXT WILL BE THE HORSING AROUND AND THE, UM, CORRAL STRIP CLUB.
I'M SURE IT'S REALLY SAD TO SEE THESE BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC AREAS, NOT JUST HERE, BUT OTHER AREAS OF TOWN.
THESE HISTORIC AREAS DESERVE A BETTER MUNICIPALITY THAN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
THEY ARE THE GREATEST THREAT TO THESE FEATURES AND CONTINUE TO BE NO MATTER WHAT, WITH A VARIANCE, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
AND THIS IS A REALLY SAD SITUATION, AND WE HOPE THAT IT WILL BE RECTIFIED CORRECTED, OTHERWISE, MORE OF THE SAME.
A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS PARK AROUND THE MISSION IS WHAT THE PLAN IS.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? COREY? THAT WAS OUR LAST ONE.
UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THE APPLICANTS? SO, MATTER OF FACT, LET ME GO IN ORDER HERE.
SO, UM, I'LL START WITH MY VIRTUAL APPLICANTS.
MY VIRTUAL, UM, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER MAYMAN.
COMMISSIONER DI NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, PLEASE.
UM, ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF IS ON THE ARCHEOLOGY, UH, REQUEST.
IF THEY ALREADY BUILT THE ADDITION, WHAT WOULD THAT HAPPENS? 'CAUSE NORMALLY WE PUT THIS BEFORE THEY BUILT, RIGHT? SO IN ORDER TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, THEY'LL NEED TO OBTAIN ALL PERMITS AND THEY WILL NOT GET THEIR PERMIT UNTIL THEY'VE MET ALL THE STIPULATIONS.
AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT STUDY HAPPENS, I KNOW BY YOU REQUIRING TO DIG UNDER THE NEW EDITION BECAUSE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S REQUIRED YET.
SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS A, UH, PROFESSIONAL ARCHEOLOGIST WOULD LOOK AT THE SITE, UM, THEY WOULD SORT OF DO AN INVENTORY OF PREVIOUS WORK IN THE VICINITY, AND THEY WOULD TAKE THEIR BEST GUESS AT, UM, WHAT THE BEST APPROACH TO AN INVESTIGATION AT THIS LOCATION WOULD BE.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE.
THERE MIGHT BE A FEW STRATEGIC LOCATIONS WHERE THEY LOOK.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD HAPPEN AS PART OF THAT INITIAL INVESTIGATION.
SO THIS STIPULATION WILL ALWAYS BE HERE.
SO EVEN IF WE DO CONCEPTUAL, CAN THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT STUDY? THEY COULD DO THE STUDY AT ANY TIME BECAUSE THAT COULD AFFECT THE WHOLE PROJECT, RIGHT? IF THEY ARE EAGER TO GET THE PERMITS, THEY DON'T WANNA BE WAITING TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED IN ORDER TO GET THEIR APPROVAL.
SO YES, THEY COULD BEGIN THAT.
AND THEN WHY DID STAFF NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE SMOKE STACKS IN THE STIPULATIONS OR DESIGN? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A MECHANICAL CODE ISSUE, AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME KIND OF STEALTH DESIGN SOLUTIONS PAINTING THAT WE COULD DO, BUT IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT, IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ADOPTED POLICY THAT WOULD GUIDE THE SIZE OR SHAPING OF THOSE.
BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THE DRAWINGS EITHER.
AND THEN, UM, THE FENCING, YOU, YOU SAY SIX FEET, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE WHERE IT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT MISSION BECAUSE IT'S THE MISSION, IT'S HAS SIX FEET, IS THE MAX EVEN ON THE FRONT, CORRECT, SIX FEET'S.
THE MI THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF HEIGHT THAT THAT'S ALLOWED PER FENCING.
AND THE ONLY REASON WE HAVE IT HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MISSION DISTRICT.
IT'S NOT ANY PART OF THE BUILDING THAT IS HISTORIC, ANYTHING OF THE STRUCTURES CORRECT.
THERE'S NO STRUCTURE ON SITE THAT HAS, UH, CONTRIBUTING STATUS.
UM, AND THEN DID YOU HAVE ANY STIPULATIONS AND THE REPLACING THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS? ARE THERE ANY STIPULATIONS TO THE WHAT TYPE OF REPLACEMENT? UH, UH, NO, THERE'S NOT.
I MEAN, STAFF IS ALSO TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE EXISTING MATERIALS ON SITE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S LARGELY WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED OFF OF.
UM, WE ARE ALSO REFERENCING THE MISSION MANUAL, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE NEW MATERIALS.
THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE HAD, UH, BRICK FACADE THAT'S BEEN REMOVED, AND THERE'S BEEN A MASONRY MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED.
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UH, AND SO GENERALLY THAT MASON MASONRY MATERIAL WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MISSION MANUAL.UM, NOW GRANTED THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THAT, UM, THAT CAN BE DETAILED, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UH, COURSING AND, AND, AND BRICK WORK, IF YOU WANNA CALL IT, THAT ARE MASONRY WORK.
BUT GENERALLY WE FIND IT TO BE APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
UM, THERE'S SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT CHANGES, CORRECT? THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE, THE, THE FILE THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, MR. GONZALEZ, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT ONE OR TWO IN BRIEF? WHAT ARE EXAMPLES OF THOSE CHANGES IN LIKE A MINUTE? YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UH, LET ME PREFACE IT WITH, UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE OWNER TO ENTERTAIN CHANGES, BUT BETWEEN THE, THE GOOD ADVICE YOU'RE GETTING BACK HERE AND, UH, THE ASTUTE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME THINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT WAS DISCUSSED, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT MASONRY WALL, WHICH IS, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE CHAIN LINK, UH, WITH SIDING, UH, FENCE RIGHT NOW, EDWARD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP SOME OF THE STREET VIEW THINGS SO YOU GUYS GET AN UP CLOSE AND, AND PERSONAL FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT, UH, WHAT THE, THE OWNER DID WAS HE BROUGHT IN A SPLIT FACE CMUA TWO TONE.
AND WE DISCUSSED THIS, THIS AT DRC, BY THE WAY.
I I HADN'T MENTIONED THAT WE HAD A DRC MEETING, UH, TO GOOD IDEA.
UH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS.
THE, THE THOUGHT THERE, A BIG IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE TO USE THE SAME SANDSTONE, SAY AS THE MISSION LIBRARY, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND THAT ONE'S VERY HANDSOME, IS VERY MUCH IN THE SAME, UH, FEEL NOW, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE MISSION AND YOU LOOK OUT AND YOU SEE THIS.
EDWARD, CAN YOU MOVE OVER LIKE, AS IF YOU WERE FURTHER DOWN ROOSEVELT, LOOKING BACK? YEAH, I MEAN, YOU GET A REALLY GOOD IDEA IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN, PLEASE.
IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, POETIC PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, TALK ABOUT COLOR AND, AND LANDSCAPING.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, UH, DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO SIGNAGE, DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO THE WROUGHT IRON AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE INSPIRATION TO BE TAKEN FROM, FROM SOME OF THE MORE RECENT PRECEDENTS AND INTERPRETATIONS OF HOW THAT CAN BE HANDLED.
ALL VERY POSITIVE, DOABLE THINGS.
UH, CERTAINLY, UH, WHAT I THINK THE OWNER WOULD MOST APPRECIATE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONSIDERING EVERYTHING HE'S BEEN THROUGH THIS TO THIS FAR AND EVERYTHING HE HAS AHEAD OF HIM IS THAT THE MAIN ADDITION THAT, THAT, THAT HE DID BUILD, UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHEOLOGY, UH, STUDY, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WE IS NOT A CHOICE, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A STIPULATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, GOOGLE EARTH AND YOU GO BACK AND, AND THROUGH HISTORICAL IMAGERY, THERE'S AN OLD FRAME MACHINE, THERE'S A CONCRETE SLAB, THERE'S BEEN CONSTRUCTION THERE BEFORE.
SO THE ARCHEOLOGISTS, WHOEVER THAT IS, UH, WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY DO, YOU KNOW, SELECTIVE, UH, DIGS OR WHAT.
UH, SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EXAMPLES.
I JUST, UH, READY IF, SINCE I'M THE LAST OF THE LINE THERE, JUST MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO SEND THIS TO DRC.
UH, YOUR QUESTION NOW, AND THEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, THEN I'LL ASK OH, YOU'RE LAST, YEAH.
UM, YES, IT'S HEARTENING TO HEAR THAT, UH, THE OWNER AND THE ARCHITECT ARE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, REPRESENTING THE, THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND, UH, IT'S NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION, BUT I GUESS IT IS THAT Y'ALL ARE, UH, AGREEING TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH THOSE GROUPS TO COME TO SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS THAT, UM, EVERYONE CAN LIVE WITH.
WELL, I, I, I WISH THE OWNER WA WERE, WAS ACCESSIBLE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S UNAVAILABLE.
HE'D LIKE THINGS TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT CONSIDERING KIND OF THE LARGER CONTEXT OF, OF WHERE WE ARE AND, AND, AND YOU DID HEAR SOME, SOME, SOME PRETTY HEAVY HANDED, YOU KNOW, IMPASSIONED, UH, OVERTURES HERE.
I THINK WE'RE A LOT CLOSER, UH, WITH COMMON GROUND AND, AND WORKING AS A TEAM, DARE I SAY IT.
SO YES, I, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND MOVE THINGS FORWARD, ALBEIT WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
COMMISSION SABINO THAT YOU WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION 'CAUSE I KNOW.
UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
A MOTION TO MOVE TO A DRC AND WITH RESPECT TO TIME, UH, I LOOK TO STAFF'S, UM, RECOMMENDATION WITH RESPECT TO AS MUCH TIME AS CAN BE GIVEN, BEING THAT IT APPEARS THAT THE OWNER MAY NEED SOME TIME TO GET BACK AND WITH
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EVERYBODY ON THE TABLE, UH, MORE TIME CAN ONLY DO BETTER IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.SO I WOULD SAY, SIR, IF WE'RE GONNA SUGGEST THAT THE TIME, TIME CERTAIN, BUT WITH STAFF GIVING A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? SO JUST SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, SAYING AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY OR EARLY AS POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY, THAT'LL BE FINE BECAUSE THAT'LL, THEY'LL KEEP THINGS MOVING.
AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY IN A TIMELY MANNER, I, I HEAR THAT WE COULD, UH, WE COULD ACTUALLY SCHEDULE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF NEXT TUESDAY THE 21ST WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT WE COULD ALSO SCHEDULE IT ON THE 28TH.
ALRIGHT, WELL LET'S, SO WE HAVE THOSE TWO OPTIONS.
WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AS FAR OUT OF FIESTA AS YOU CAN IF THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR YOU.
UM, MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND, THANK YOU.
CAN WE CLARIFY, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE 28TH OR WHAT DATE ARE WE LOOKING AT? OKAY.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET INTO MAY? YEAH, THIS IS FIESTA UPON US.
SO THEY CAN ALL PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS WITHOUT ANY, UH, IT, IT CERTAINLY IS.
UM, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE, UH, REVIEW DEADLINE.
SO THE 60 DAY REVIEW FOR THIS APPLICATION IS MAY THE 25TH.
UH, THE APPLICANT COULD WAIVE THAT 60 DAY REVIEW IF NEEDED.
UM, NO, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE HAVE A HEARING ON MAY 20TH.
UM, SO THE, UM, THE ACTION COULD BE TO A DRC, UM, THAT COULD HAPPEN SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND MAY 20TH.
AND MAY 20TH WOULD BE THE TARGET DATE ON RECORD FOR THE MOTION ACCEPTABLE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION.
YEAH, IDEALLY WE, WE'D LOVE BECAUSE WE CAME IN HERE ASKING FOR FINAL, UH, UH, NOT, UH, ADVERSE WHATSOEVER TO THE EXTRA TIME, AS I SAID A MOMENT AGO.
BUT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF WIN, LIKE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE ITEMS REQUESTED.
AND THEN WE'LL WORK OUT THE DETAILS, REFINEMENTS, ZIGS, AND ZAGS AS WE NEED TO.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU POINT OF ORDER WE'RE IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW? I'M MOMENT PLEASE.
UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, SIR, SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, BUT WE ALSO, DURING YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU, YOU PRETTY MUCH MADE IT CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T QUITE READY YET AND YOU WEREN'T QUITE THERE YET, AND YOU NEEDED MORE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING NOW FOR CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS TO MOVE TO A DRC SO THAT WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
THE OWNER COULD BE HERE, YOU CAN GET THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND THINGS OF NATURE.
SO, WELL, IF I MAY CLARIFY WHY NOT ORDER MR. CHAIR, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE A NOT DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT'S DISCUSSION ON THE YES.
SO DO YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING CHAIR? WELL, MR. CHAIR, AND I THINK IT MAY HELP, I IT, WITH RESPECT TO OUR DISCUSSION AND, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT'S ASKING THE MI ADDRESS THE CHAIR, UM, ONE, THE APPLICANT IS NOT IN THE COUNTRY AND THAT HAS NO BEARING ON WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNEW HE WAS GONNA BE OR NOT.
HE, HE SHOULD BE IN THE COUNTRY IF HE'S GOT A CASE.
UM, OR AT LEAST THE PERSON SHOULD HAVE THE, THE AUTHORITY TO SPEAK ON THAT, ON THAT BEHALF.
THE OTHER IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT BRING THIS CASE TO US THAT ARE NOT THE FINEST CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE WOULD HOPE FOR, WHICH IS A, A PRODUCT THAT WOULD NOT BE SENT TO US BECAUSE, UH, OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT, UM, BUT, UM, WITH, WITH EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE WORKING TOWARD A VERY PROACTIVE, UM, UH, UM, END RESULT.
AND I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY AS AMAKER, THE MOTION THAT THAT, UH, IT'S IN DISTRICT THREE, I'M THE DISTRICT THREE REPRESENTATIVE AND HAVE GROWN UP IN THE AREA AND WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE VERY REALISTIC ABOUT THE NATURE OF THAT ENVIRONMENT.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT ENVIRONMENT IS WHAT IT IS AND HAS BEEN SO STRONG IS BECAUSE OF THE BACKBONE OF THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE SURVIVED, UH, ALL OF THE DOWN ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE LUMBER YARDS AND THE SKATING RINKS AND THE OLD BOWLING ALLEYS AND THE AUTO, UH, UH, UM, UH, UH, THE GAS STATIONS AND THE, AND THE MECHANIC SHOPS.
AND SO THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS ENVIRONMENT IS, UH, NOT JUST THE POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD BE TURNED BACK INTO WHAT IT WAS HISTORICALLY, BUT THAT HISTORICALLY IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, POST THE PERIOD WHERE, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS ENDED AND MEXICAN AMERICANS WERE ABLE TO LIVE IN THAT AREA.
TO A LARGE EXTENT, MEXICANS ARE INDIANS TOO.
SO THE THRIVING ECONOMIC IN THAT AREA HAS BEEN THE BACKBONE OF WHAT HAS PRESERVED SAN JOSE MISSION AND SAN JUAN CAPANO AND, AND ALL OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S OUR HARD WORK, OUR TAX BASE.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE, UH, VERY AWARE THAT THE OUTCOME FOR THIS POTENTIALLY IS THAT IT CONTINUES TO BE A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
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OF THE SOUTH SIDE.WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE ARCHITECT WILL TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY THAT, UM, THE WAY THAT THE APPLICANT WENT ABOUT IT PUTS A LITTLE EXTRA, UH, OBLIGATION ON THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH THE MOST PLEASING AESTHETIC THAT ENHANCES THE AREA.
IT'S, IT'S ALREADY AN ENHANCEMENT, BUT THEY'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE, AS YOU SAID, WITH THE BRICK FACING, THAT CAN TAKE INSPIRATION FROM THE, THE NEWLY DEVELOPED, UH, UH, UH, CULTURAL CENTER AND PERHAPS, UH, ITEMS FROM THE, UM, UH, SAN JOSE, UH, UM, UH, MISSION AND ALSO MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT YOU CAN SEE.
THE, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY SENSITIVE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THOSE SOLUTIONS EXIST, THEY, THEY SHOULD BE EMPLOYED IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY, THE COMMUNITY'S GREAT BEING HERE, BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD ALSO BE AWARE THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AT LEAST FOR A VERY LONG TIME, NOT ONLY AN IMPORTANT PART OF, UM, OF THE MISSION, BUT AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE WORKFORCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, TIME TO GIMME THE, FOR THOSE COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR.
UM, SO I'LL GO THROUGH OUR, UM, OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, UM, BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.
UM, COMMISSIONER RAYMOND, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
NO MORE FURTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
UM, FIRST, UH, TO THE APPLICANT, IF YOU WERE SEARCHING FOR CONCEPTUAL, I THINK WE, WE NEEDED MORE PICTURES, MORE VISUAL.
UM, I KNOW YOU JUST GOT ON BOARD LATELY AND WE CAN BLAME THE OTHER ARCHITECT FOR NOT DOING THAT, BUT I THINK BASED ON THE COMMENTS YOU GOT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT THINK THIS WAS, WAS GONNA RISE, I THINK, UM, I WOULD'VE BETTER PREPARED.
I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA GO AGAINST A MOTION, BUT THERE'S ALREADY BEEN WITH DRC AT THE DRC, THE, UH, PUBLIC IS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST A MEETING BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS AND THE APPLICANT.
IT'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME WITH UPDATED DRAWINGS AND GET COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE COMMENTS ARE NOT FROM THE COMMISSION, THE COMMENTS ARE FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO I ENCOURAGE MORE THE MEETINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH EVERYBODY HERE TO MAKE THOSE NECESSARY CHANGES THAT THEN CAN BE PRESENTED INFORMALLY TO US.
BUT PER THE GUIDELINES, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH THAT CAN BE SAID OR CHANGED OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL OPINIONS, WHICH WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
SO I, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE EFFORT ALSO TO WHAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS SAID, IT'S A BIGGER EFFORT TO GO WITH THE PUBLIC THAN IT IS TO COME BACK TO A DRC.
MAY I, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? NOT YET, SIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER SABINA? UM, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND, UM, IF THE MOTION PASSES, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DRC AND SEEING HOW, UH, ONCE THE ARCHITECT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS AND, UH, WITH THE OWNER AND WHAT, UH, PROPOSED SOLUTIONS, THEY COME BACK WITH US.
I'LL GIVE YOU FINAL COMMENTS, SIR.
YOU, UH, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I THINK THEY'RE VERY ON POINT.
UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A FRIENDLY, UH, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL IF YOU, UH, WERE SO MOTIVATED AND IN THE PASSED, I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, ALTHOUGH WITH STIPULATIONS.
AND SO WE'D LOVE TO SEE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THAT WITH THEIR COMMENTS OR STIPULATIONS AS NOTED.
AND THEN THAT, THAT, THAT GIVES US SOME FIRM STABLE GROUND TO, TO PROPEL FORWARD, UH, THE REFINEMENT AND, AND CHANGES IN IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE? MAY.
STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU, SIR, AS FAR AS SETTING UP, UM, THE DRC.
I WAS IN A CAR ACCIDENT NOT THAT LONG AGO.
SO IF I'M DOING THIS, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT 'CAUSE I'M A ROBOT, AI OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
UM, UM, YOU CAN STEP UP TO THE PODIUM, MA'AM, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION?
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TURN YOUR MIC ON, MA'AM.WHEN THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION OCCURS, WHO ASSIGN THE PARTY OR PERSON WHO DOES THAT? CAN I ASK THE CITY STAFF? IT WOULD BE A PRIVATE CONSULTANT CHOSEN BY THE, UM, THE APPLICANT HERE.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE QUALIFIED.
UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS REVIEWED BY OUR CITY ARCHEOLOGIST.
THEN I HAVE A SPECIAL REQUEST IF THAT'S THE CASE.
UM, OTHER DIGS ARE OCCURRING ALL OVER THE CITY, YOU KNOW, BUT MOSTLY AT THE ALAMO THERE IS KIND OF, UM, NOT A WRITTEN CONTRACT, BUT THERE IS A GENTLEMAN'S AGREEMENT THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS IN AREAS THAT ARE LIKE SAN JOSE, WHICH ARE HISTORIC, THAT UH, THE PUBLIC, NATIVE AMERICANS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, ARE ALLOWED TO GO AND OBSERVE THE DIG BECAUSE IF THERE ARE REMAINS UNCOVERED, THERE IS A SPECIAL CEREMONY AND PROCESS WE AS NATIVE AMERICANS GO THROUGH ONCE THOSE REMAINS ARE IDENTIFIED.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ALL COULD CONSIDER THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY, VERY NICE.
I, I WOULD SAY MA'AM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CONTROL THAT.
BUT UNLESS STAFF HAS ANY OP I MEAN, UM, OPPOSITION TO THAT, WHENEVER IT SETS, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I MEAN, IT IS NOTHING, IT'S A PUBLIC AREA, SO WE CAN'T KEEP YOU FROM BEING THERE.
SO, AND NO ONE ELSE CAN KEEP YOU FROM BEING THERE AS WELL.
IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO I MEAN, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE KIND OF NEGOTIATED WITH THE APPLICANT AND, AND JUL, WE, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS, WE CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY AND ALL THAT.
WE, WE DON'T GET LIKE RIGHT IN TO WHETHER IT'S BEING DONE.
BUT SO THAT WE KNOW THAT, THAT IF THERE ARE THINGS UNCOVERED, THEN WE ARE AWARE, AND I HEAR YOU MA'AM.
AND, AND I BEEN SPOKE HIM, AND IT'S NOT PUBLIC PROPERTY COURSE, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT YEAH.
AND THEN WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE, BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA.