* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 4TH, 2019. MAY, MAY I HAVE A ROLL [Roll Call] CALL, PLEASE. FERNANDEZ HERE. FISH. HERE. GIBBS. HERE. VELAZQUEZ. HERE. ARLA. HERE. MARTINEZ FLORES CARPENTER. HERE. GROUPE. HERE. BOWMAN ZER. HERE. HERE. UM, SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING. UH, WE HAVE A QUICK VIDEO. WE WILL PLAY THE [Chairman’s Statement] HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UM, WE DO HAVE [Announcements] A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE START THE MEETING. UM, THE FIRST IS JUST A REMINDER ABOUT OUR CITY OFFICE CLOSURES UPCOMING FOR THE HOLIDAY SEASON. UM, CITY OFFICES, MOST OF WHICH WILL BE CLOSED DECEMBER 24TH OR JANUARY 2ND. UM, THE H C R C SCHEDULE AND APPLICATION DEADLINES HAVE BEEN, UM, AMENDED TO, UH, RESPOND TO THAT AND ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE IF YOU NEED TO CHECK THOSE. UM, WE HAVE AN EVENT COMING UP DECEMBER 17TH. UM, TUESDAY, UM, THE DOWNTOWN HOLIDAY LIGHTS TOUR. UM, THIS IS A GREAT EVENT FOR RUNNERS AND WALKERS OF ALL SKILL LEVELS. IT'S A TOUR OF, UM, HISTORIC SITES DOWNTOWN, UM, AT NIGHTTIME. SO YOU CAN ENJOY THE HOLIDAY LIGHTS AT THE SAME TIME, UM, UH, MULTIPLE START TIMES BETWEEN SIX 15 AND 7:00 PM SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE OPTIONS, UM, ON THE REGISTRATIONPAGE@SAPRESERVATION.COM. UM, AND NOW I'M GOING TO INVITE, UM, DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER KATHY RODRIGUEZ UP TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING THE LEGACY BUSINESS PROGRAM. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN FETZER, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. UM, IT IS WITH GREAT PRIDE TODAY THAT I ANNOUNCE ON BEHALF OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, THE INDUCTION OF RUDY'S FEED STORE ON OUR O H P LEGACY BUSINESS PROGRAM REGISTRY. THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO THE LONGSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS, UH, THAT RUDY'S FEED STORE HAS MADE TO THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE PROSPERITY OF THE SOUTH SECTOR OF SAN ANTONIO. LOCATED AT 1801, NO GTOS, RUDY'S FEED STORE IS SAN ANTONIO'S OLDEST FULL SERVICE AGRICULTURAL FEED AND PET SUPPLY STORE, UH, ESTABLISHED IN THE 1930S, UH, AND EARLY 1940S BY RUDOLPH STAFF. IN 1967, FERNANDO MORALES, UH, MARY LOUISE RO BEGAN TO OPERATE THE BUSINESS. FOUR YEARS LATER, THE ORIGINAL OWNER SOLD THE BUSINESS TO MARY LOUISE, WHO CONTINUED RUNNING THE BUSINESS UNTIL HER RETIREMENT IN 2004. TO THIS DAY, RUDY'S FEED STORE IS OPERATED BY THE FAMILY AND IS CURRENTLY RUN BY GILBERT AND ELIZABETH MORALES. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO AND RUDY'S FOOD STORE. I MEAN, RUDY, RUDY'S FEED STORE IS MORE THAN A FEED STORE. THEY ACTUALLY BRING AFFORDABLE VETERINARIAN [00:05:01] SERVICES AND PROGRAMS TO THE AREA FOR OUR NEIGHBORS TO, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. THE LEGACY BUSINESS PROGRAM CELEBRATES BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR 20 YEARS OR MORE, CONTRIBUTE TO THE HISTORY, CULTURE AND AUTHENTIC IDENTITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE A PART OF OUR WAY OF LIFE TODAY, RUDY'S FEED STORE IS VALUED, UH, IS A VALUED ADDITION TO OUR PROGRAM. WITH ALMOST 80 YEARS OF BEING SAN ANTONIO'S GO-TO FEED STORE TODAY, WE ARE JOINED BY OWNER GILBERT MORALES, WHO WILL SHARE A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE BUSINESS. I WANNA THANK MR. LES FOR BEING HERE TODAY, UH, AND TO WELCOME HIM TO THE, UH, LEGACY BUSINESS REGISTRY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE C TO THE CITY FOR THIS GREAT HONOR. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. IT REALLY MEANS A LOT TO US, AND WE'RE PROUD OF THIS LITTLE CITY THAT WE GREW UP IN. AND, UM, JUST WANNA CONTINUE TO DO THIS. I HOPE TO JUST PASS THIS ON TO MY NEXT GENERATION, WHO THEY GREW UP IN THE BUSINESS JUST AS I DID, AND THEY KNOW JUST AS MUCH AS I DO. SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP ON DOING IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. MORALE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. BUT I DON'T THINK THIS MIC, I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. THERE. IT'S, UH, MR. CHAIR. I, I, IT'S A BIG SURPRISE TO ME. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT MY COUSIN WOULD BE HERE TODAY. UM, BUT I I ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE, UH, YOU THE FAMILY, YOUR MOM, WHO HAPPENS TO BE MY AUNT, UH, WHO'S RUN RUDY'S FEET STORE FOR, FOR, FOR MANY YEARS. AND I KNOW THAT WITH TOWN CHANGING SO MUCH, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE VERY SPECIAL TO US AS A CITY, THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT, AT THEM AND WE SEE SAN ANTONIO AND THEM RUDY'S FEED STORE FOR MANY PEOPLE, IS IT THE GATEWAY OF THE SOUTH SIDE WHEN YOU CROSS UNDER HIGHWAY 90 GOING SOUTH ON NO GTOS. SO, UH, UH, MANY BLESSINGS TO, TO Y'ALL AND, AND CONTINUED, UH, PROSPERITY AND TO, UH, UH, MARY LOUISE, YOUR MOM, WHO I KNOW, UH, LABORED SO HARD FOR SO MANY YEARS, SENT HER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LOVE OF SAN ANTONIO FOR, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE STRONG BUSINESS PEOPLE AND PARTICULARLY, UH, PIONEER BUSINESS WOMEN, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO WOULDN'T BE THE GREAT CITY THAT IT IS. SO, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH, PRIMO. THANK YOU, CA. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, NEXT WE'RE MOVING ON, UM, [Public Comments] TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, SECTION OF THE AGENDA. UM, SO WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN SIGNED IN. IT'S VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, AND I'M READING THIS FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. CONCURS WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION CONCERNING THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR FOUR 13 EAST MISSILE TOE. WE COMMEND THE OWNER FOR THE INITIATION OF THIS REQUEST, RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF HER HOME'S ARCHITECTURE TO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE 1914 CRAFTSMAN STRUCTURE MEETS AT LEAST FOUR OF THE REQUIRED CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION. WE URGE THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS DESIGNATION. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. PATTY ZZ IS THE PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT [19-8818 Review and approval of the 2020 HDRC Application and Hearing Schedule] ITEM, UM, ON THE AGENDA IS REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE 2020 H C R C APPLICATION AND HEARING SCHEDULE. UM, IT'S AVAILABLE ON YOUR SCREEN. UM, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO, UM, THIS YEAR'S SCHEDULE. UM, AND ACCOUNTS, UH, ADJUST THE APPLICATION DEADLINE DATES BASED ON CITY HOLIDAYS. ENCLOSURES. UM, SO WE WILL NEED ACTION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE SUBMISSION DATES AS PRESENTED BY STAFF. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. UM, AND SO NOW ON ['A' CONSENT AGENDA] THE SCREEN YOU WILL SEE, UM, ITEMS UP FOR CONSIDERATION ON THE A AGENDA. UM, WE HAVE ITEMS A ONE THROUGH A THREE, WHICH WERE POSTED ON CONSENT. UM, WE DO HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD FOR ITEMS A FOR ITEM A THREE. UM, AND SO THAT'LL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY, UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER CASE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE PULLED. A ONE PLEASE. SO WE WILL NEED A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM A TWO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM A TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES YOUR'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 3 21 WEST COMMERCE. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS [00:10:01] OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON THE PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE, I FORWARD [A-1 19-8870 Address/Description: 1500 N ST MARYS HDRC Case No.: 2019-682 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Jennifer Gonzalez/ACG ST MARYS PLACE LOFTS GP LLC Request: Amendment to a previously approved design regarding materials and architectural elements City Council Dist.: 1] WITH ITEM A ONE FIRST. UM, AND JUST I'M NOTICING THAT THE MICROPHONES SEEM A LITTLE BIT LOWER, SO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S LEANING IN COMPLETELY AND USING THEM FOR THE RECORD. UM, SO ITEM A ONE, UM, IS ADDRESS 1500 NORTH ST. MARY'S. UM, THE CASE WAS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT UP AT THIS TIME. UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHACKLEFORD WITH ALAMO COMMUNITY GROUP. UH, OFFICE IS AT 4 1 0 0 EAST PIIS DRIVE, SUITE 200, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 8. UM, YES, SIR. UH, WE DID MEET WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT IN, UH, COMMITTEE AND THERE WERE SOME, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THE, UM, CORONERS TO BE TREATED. AND, UH, SOME SUGGESTIONS WERE MADE AND DISCUSSION WAS HAD, AND I DID NOT SEE, UH, ANY REVISIONS TO DRAWINGS IN THE SUBMISSION. OKAY. HAVE UPDATED, UH, DRAWINGS? YES, WE DO HAVE UPDATED DRAWINGS. THEY WERE SUBMITTED. I DON'T, THEY SHOULD BE IN THE PACKET. UM, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE 'EM, UH, JOHN WILL PASS THEM OUT. OR THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE ARE THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD THE CORNER ELEMENT, UH, AS BEING ENTIRELY BRICK, AND WE UNDERSTAND THERE WERE SOME, UH, BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS THAT, UM, AND STRUCTURAL CONSTRAINTS THAT, UM, WOULD AFFECT HAVING BRICK ALL THE WAY UP TO THE, UH, FIFTH FLOOR. SO, UM, LOOKS LIKE, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER VERSION OF THAT CORNER ELEMENT. UH, COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE HERE, PLEASE? SURE. AND I'LL HAVE JOHN, UH, DES UH, DESCRIBE IF I COULD JUST KIND OF GIVE A BIT LITTLE BACKGROUND AND WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO IN SAN ANTONIO AND BEXAR COUNTY. THAT WAY EVERYBODY KIND OF HAS A BACKGROUND. ALAMO COMMUNITY GROUP IS A LOCAL NONPROFIT. WE PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SAN ANTONIO AND BEXAR COUNTY. WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR 30 YEARS. THIS IS A 9% TAX CREDIT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY T D H C A AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, AND SO THIS PROJECT WILL SERVE FOLKS BETWEEN EARNING 7 25 AN HOUR TO $15 AN HOUR IN, IN THE, UH, DOWNTOWN REGION. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE KEEP THE COST AS MINIMAL AND THE CHANGES AND THE REASON WHY IS ANY CHANGES WILL AFFECT THAT, THAT, UH, THE COST. IN ADDITION, UM, THIS PROJECT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND, AND STAFF AND EVERYONE HERE, UM, BECAUSE AFFORDABILITY IS REALLY, UH, IMPORTANT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. BUT I, I'LL HAVE JOHN SPEAK TO THE, UH, TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS. GOOD. JOHN WRIGHT, I LIVE AT 3 1 0 3 1 6, MOUNT EVANS, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UH, WE ARE HAVING TO DO VALUE ENGINEERING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LIMITED BUDGET THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY T D H C A. WHEN YOU BUILD BRICK OVER FOUR STORIES, THEN YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE STRUCTURE FOR IT. FOUR STORIES AS HIGH AS YOU CAN GO WITH BRICK. SO OUR, UH, PROPOSAL IS THAT, THAT WE TAKE THIS ELEMENT AND CONTINUE THE BRICK AT THE GROUND FLOOR WILL BE ALLOWED TO GO UP WITH STUCCO AFTER THAT, AND THAT WILL GIVE US A SAVINGS ENOUGH TO EXTEND THE STUCCO UP AND THE ORIGINAL DRAWING. UH, THAT WAS FROM QUITE SOME TIME AGO. SO THAT'S OUR REASONING BEHIND THIS. WE DO AGREE THAT, THAT THAT'S A POWERFUL POINT. IT'S A FIVE, UH, FIVE INTERSECTION DEAL, AND WE CERTAINLY WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT RESULT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT IS IN THE SUBMITTAL PACKAGE, WHICH, UM, TRUNCATED THE, THE PROMINENCE OF THAT CORNER ELEMENT. UM, I WOULD STILL ENCOURAGE, UH, MORE DEVELOPMENT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT AT THE, UH, UPPER PORTION OF THAT. YES. UM, SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S JUST EXTRUDED AND CUT [00:15:01] OFF AB. ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE COMPLETELY. WE, UH, WE MET WITH STAFF AND THOSE THOUGHTS WERE, WERE GIVEN TO US. HOWEVER, IN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN WE MET WITH STAFF AND THIS MEETING TODAY, IT WAS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TIME TO GO INTO ANY DETAIL OF HOW THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GONNA WORK. AND WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE A MOCK UP, WE'LL DO WHATEVER'S NECESSARY TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME, IF, IF WE CAN DO THIS, WE NEED TO DO IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND I WILL ADD THAT, UM, THE REASON THIS WAS ON CONSENT IS THE GAP. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE STIPULATIONS, AND WE DO FIND THAT WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN MEETS THOSE STIPULATIONS. UM, SO WE ARE ALSO WILLING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH CONSTRUCTION TO ENSURE THAT THE STIPULATIONS ARE MET. WELL, THANKS FOR SHARING THE NEW, UH, IMAGE WITH US. I THINK IT BRINGS A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY TO THE, TO THE DRAWINGS FOR US. UH, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, NEXT [A-3 19-8854 Address/Description: 423 S ALAMO ST/La Villita HDRC Case No.: 2019-690 Landmark Name: German-English School Historic District Name: La Villita Applicant: James McKnight/Brown & Ortiz, P.C. Request: New construction, site modifications City Council Dist.: 1] IS ITEM A THREE, ADDRESS 4 23 SOUTH ALAMO. UM, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED FOR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CALL THE APPLICANT UP TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS DOUG NICEI. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF DEVELOPMENT FOR WHITE LODGING SERVICES BASED AT 7 0 1 EAST 83RD AVENUE, MERRILLVILLE, INDIANA, 4 6 4 1 0. I'M HERE WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE DESIGN AND CONSULTANT TEAM TO, UH, PRESENT THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN FOR A NEW HOTEL TO BE LOCATED AT 4 23 SOUTH ALAMO. THE EXISTING SITE IS A SURFACE PARKING LOT. WE PLAN TO INVEST AND BUILD A, A HOTEL OF ABOUT 275 ROOMS ADJACENT TO THE, UH, GERMAN ENGLISH SCHOOL, AND LEVERAGE THAT FACILITY, UH, ALONG WITH OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION TO PROVIDE A DESTINATION, HOSPITALITY, FOOD, AND BEVERAGE EXPERIENCE. UM, LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THIS WITH YOU. UH, WE, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE AND, AND THANK STAFF FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE. AND IF YOU LIKE, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION WE CAN RUN THROUGH QUICKLY. I'LL INVITE, UM, AUBREY HARTMAN FROM H K S. THE BOUTIQUE TEL PROJECT SEEKS TO TRANSFORM AN EXISTING PARKING LOT INTO A DESTINATION, NOT ONLY FOR TRAVELERS, BUT FOR LOCALS ALIKE. WE ARE VERY INTERESTED, UM, IN MAINTAINING AND CONTINUING THE CHARACTER AND THE CHARM OF THE LATA NEIGHBORHOOD INTO OUR PROJECT. UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE HAVE STUDIED THE SCALE, THE CHARACTER, THE MASSING, THE OPEN PUBLIC SPACES THAT EXIST IN LATA TODAY, AND TRIED TO PULL THOSE, UH, INTO OUR PROJECT AND HELP THOSE GUIDE THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT MASSING, MATERIALITY, SCALE, AND OPEN SPACE. OUR PROJECT IS LOCATED WITHIN A SHORT WALKING DISTANCE TO MANY, UM, DESTINATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, HEMISPHERE PARK, THE RIVER WALK, THE ALAMO CONVENTION CENTER, ET CETERA. AND SO, THINKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE STREETS SCAPE, THE PEDESTRIAN REALM, AND THE URBAN SPACE OF THE PROJECT, WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE AN ACTIVE, AN ENGAGING PROJECT THAT ACTIVATES SOUTH ALAMO STREET, CURRENTLY PROPOSED AROUND OUR PROJECT, OUR SEVERAL MULTI-FAMILY HOTEL AND OFFICE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF OUR PROJECT, WHICH SITS TODAY AT ABOUT 110 FEET. UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR PROJECT IS THE HISTORIC GERMAN SCHOOL. OUR PROJECT REMAINS LOW, UH, ADJACENT TO THAT GERMAN SCHOOL. AND THE GUEST ROOM TOWER, WHICH RISES UP TO 111 FEET, SITS ALONG ARSEN DIEGO AS FAR FROM THAT GERMAN SCHOOL AS POSSIBLE. AND AT THE SOUTHERNMOST PART OF THE PROPERTY AWAY FROM LATA, JUST ACROSS AGA STREET FROM US, IS THE EXISTING MARRIOTT PLAZA HOTEL, WHICH SITS AT APPROXIMATELY 155 FEET. PROPOSED, UM, AT SOUTH PREZA AND CAESAR CHAVEZ, JUST AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF US IS A RESIDENTIAL TOWER THAT'S PROPOSED AT ABOUT 145 [00:20:01] FEET ACROSS. SOUTH ALAMO IS A NEW HOTEL AND OFFICE, UH, MIXED USE PROJECT, WHICH RISES UP TO APPROXIMATELY 180 FEET. EXISTING TODAY IS THE HILTON PLAZA DEL RIO, WHICH SITS ABOUT 217 FEET, ALSO ALONG SOUTH ALMO STREET. THESE DIAGRAMS JUST AGAIN ILLUSTRATE AND HIGHLIGHT HOW WE ARE TRYING TO EXTEND THE CHARACTER, THE OPEN SPACE, AND THE CHARM OF LATA INTO OUR SITE AND OUR PROJECT. THINKING ABOUT THE SCALE AND CHARACTER, WE HAVE HEAVILY STUDIED THESE NOTIONS OF MASSING AN ORGANIZATION AND PULLED THEM INTO OUR PROJECT. AND AGAIN, ILLUSTRATING HERE THAT THE GUESTROOM TOWER, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST PART OF THE PROJECT, IS PULLED AS FAR AWAY FROM POSSIBLE AS THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, UH, IN ELEVATION HERE ALONG SOUTH ALAMO. WE'VE GOT A BLOW UP, UM, OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND THE STREET SCAPE SURROUNDING IT. UH, WE HAVE CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK DROP OFF PROTECTED WITH TREE AREAS AND PLANTINGS. WE HAVE THE HOTEL ENTRY AND LOBBY REACHES OUT A LITTLE BIT TO RECEIVE GUESTS, WHICH IS OFFSET BY RECESSES IN THE BUILDING. AGAIN, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE A LOWER SCALE AND A SMALLER CHARACTER IN LINE WITH THAT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THIS SECTION, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE HEIGHT OF OUR PROJECT AT 111 FEET ABOVE GRADE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT OF THE MARRIOTT PLAZA ACROSS ARSEN STREET, THE EXISTING GERMAN SCHOOL AND ITS COURTYARD AND THE FAIRMONT HOTEL, WHICH IS, IS EXISTING. IT SITS AT THE CORNER OF NUEVA AND SOUTH ALAMO. WE HAVE A FEW VIEWS OF THE PROJECT AND THE STREETSCAPE. THIS ONE HERE, LOOKING AT THE HOTEL ENTRY ALONG SOUTH ALAMO, THE MASS TO THE RIGHT IS THE EXISTING GERMAN SCHOOL BUILDING. YOU'LL SEE THE HOTEL DROPOFF IN PORT CHE, A SMALL INTIMATE ENTRY INTO THE HOTEL RESTAURANT TO THE LEFT OF THE PAGE, THE LOBBY LOUNGE WITH OUTDOOR DINING. WE ARE STRIVING TO CREATE AN ACTIVE AND ENGAGING URBAN STREET SCAPE HERE, WHICH PROMOTES A VERY NICE AND SAFE PEDESTRIAN REALM AND EXPERIENCE HUMAN OF THE HOTEL DROP-OFF AND ARRIVAL. YOU CAN SEE WE'VE KEPT THE MASSING QUITE LOW. WE'RE CONNECTING TO THE LOBBY WITH THESE, UH, GLASS CONNECTOR MOMENTS THAT ARE LOW AS WELL. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND THE HOTEL TOWER RISING UP AND AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC GERMAN SCHOOL. THE SHOT HERE HIGHLIGHTS THE HOTEL ENTRY AT THE RESTAURANT. THE GERMAN SCHOOL, WHICH IS EXISTING, IS AT THE FAR RIGHT OF THE VIEW RESTAURANT ENTRY, DELICATE GLASS CONNECTION TO THE GERMAN SCHOOL, AND THEN MAINTAINING THE LOW MASSING IN CHARACTER OF THE PROJECT. MORE VIEWS OF THE HOTEL DROP OFF. THIS IS THE SHOT FROM SOUTH ALAMO AND ARSEN DIEGO STREET. THIS IS THE CORNER LOBBY LOUNGE, UH, FACES ONTO SOUTH ALAMOS, UH, STREET WHERE IT KIND OF FA MEETS CAESAR CHAVEZ. SO TRYING TO CREATE, UM, A PUBLIC REALM HERE THAT, UM, INVITES GUESTS, CREATES A SAFE SPACE ON THE SIDEWALK, BUFFERED BY LANDSCAPE AND TREES. WE HAVE A FEW SHOTS OF THE PROPOSED ROOFTOP TERRACE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC WITH GREAT VIEWS OVERLOOKING HEMISPHERE, THE TYLER, THE AMERICAS, AND THEN NORTH TOWARDS DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE STREET SCAPE, THE MAINTAINING OF SIDEWALK DIMENSION, LANDSCAPE ZONES, UM, ET CETERA HERE, AND A GENERAL OVERALL PLAN AND LAYOUT OF THE PROJECT. THE GERMAN SCHOOL IS NO, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE THERE, EXISTING PROJECT, YOU CAN SEE THE BODY OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION ALONG THE BOTTOM OF PAGE. THE GUEST ROOM TOWER CITED ALONG ARSEN STREET AND THE ROOFTOP AMENITIES LOCATED AT THE TOP OF THAT GUEST ROOM TOWER. THE EXISTING GERMAN SCHOOL, UH, IS PROPOSED, UH, [00:25:02] SORRY. EXISTING GERMAN SCHOOL BUILDING HAS MEETING ROOM SPACE. CURRENTLY SOME RESTROOMS AND A PANTRY THAT SERVE THEM AT THE VERY SOUTH END OF THAT GERMAN SCHOOL ARE SOME, UH, MECHANICAL STRUCTURES AND SPACES THAT SERVE IT NOW. AND HERE'S A FEW SHOTS OF HOW THAT LOOKS. THE TOP LEFT IMAGES, THE VISIBILITY OF THE PROJECT FROM THE SIDEWALK ALONG SOUTH ALAMO. THERE'S A LARGE FENCE COVERING MOST OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN WE PROPOSE IT TODAY. THE SOUTHERN BUILDING AT THE GERMAN SCHOOL. WE'RE PROPOSING AS THE THREE MILL RESTAURANT, THE HOTEL TO BE CONNECTED TO THE HOTEL, BECOME A MORE ACTIVE AND ENGAGING PART OF THE PROJECT, AND IT WOULD ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AND ENJOY THE SPACE. THE, THE COURTYARD ITSELF WE'RE PROPOSING IS PART OF THAT FOR DINING EVENTS AT THE HOTEL. AND THEN THE NORTH BUILDING IS TO REMAIN MEETING SPACE. THESE ARE A FEW IMAGES OF THE GERMAN SCHOOL COURTYARD AS IT EXISTS TODAY. MATERIALITY, WE'VE GOT LIMESTONE BRICK. UH, THE PORCHES CONSIST OF WOOD. AND THEN WE HAVE, AND A HEAVY AGGREGATE WITH SALTILLO TILE AT THE COURTYARD. THE EXISTING STREET SCAPE IS NARROW, NOT VERY SAFE. OVERALLS ARE THE DETAIL. AND THEY PROPOSED. SO THE GERMAN SCHOOL BUILDING AT THE NORTH REMAINS MEETING ROOM SPACE. THE SOUTH BECOMES A THREE MILL RESTAURANT, WHICH CONNECTS INTO THE HOTEL, KEEPING IT ACTIVE, INVITING, AND THE BODY OF THE HOTEL SERVES THOSE SPACES. FOR THE HOTEL LAYOUT, WE ARE LINING SOUTH ALAMO STREET WITH ALL OF THE PUBLIC IN FRONT OF HOUSE AMENITY SPACES. SO YOUR LOBBY, YOUR LOBBY LOUNGE, AND YOUR RESTAURANT. KEEPING ALL OF THOSE, THE ENERGY AND THE ACTIVITY ALONG SOUTH ALAMO STREET, MAKING SURE THAT OUR CORNERS ARE ACTIVE AND VISIBLE, GLASS TRANSPARENT. WE HAVE THE DROP OFF ALONG ALAMO STREET AND A SECONDARY DROP OFF FOR EVENT SPACE ALONG ARSEN DIEGO STREET, HELPING KEEP TRAFFIC. UH, SOUTH ALAMO, OUR TYPICAL GUEST ROOM TOWER CONSISTS OF 41 MODULES. THE TOWER OVERALL IS APPROXIMATELY 279 HOTEL KEYS, WE'RE NINE STORIES TALL, AND WE HAVE A ROOFTOP WITH AMENITIES THAT CONSISTS OF AN INDOOR BAR WITH AN OUTDOOR TERRACE SPACE. WE HAVE A POOL THAT LOOKS TOWARDS DOWNTOWN AND A FITNESS CENTER THAT OVERLOOKS SOUTHTOWN THREE PRESENTATION. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, FOR ANY COMMENTS, HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. WE'LL HEAR FROM THEM AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK UP AND ASK QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. UM, THE FIRST IS MARIA TORRES, FOLLOWED BY SOPHIA TORRES. MARIA TORRES. STILL HERE. AGAIN, WE HERE, PROBABLY MANY OF YOU ARE NEW HERE. WE WANNA JUST CLARIFY. YOU, ME, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YOU CHAIR? EXCUSE ME? MA'AM, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? WE TRIED WITH THE PA INDIAN FIRST NATION INDIA DESCENDANTS SUBMISSION SAN ANTONIO VALERO. AND PROBABLY SOME OF YOU ARE HERE FOR SOME TIME. I CAN RECOGNIZE HER AND PROBABLY HIM. UH, HOW MUCH TIME ARE YOU GONNA GIVE US? WE ARE TRIBE AND THE ELDER IS HERE. SHE SHE ALREADY SIGNED. SHE'S GONNA GIVE MY TIME. SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SIX MINUTES. HAVE SIX MINUTES. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AS I SAID, I'M THE CHAIRWOMAN TORRES. THIS IS NOT NEW. WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS PROJECT SINCE 2012. THIS IS AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND. ITEM THREE AND FOUR MA, MR. CHAIRMAN ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE. ARE YOU SURE? TALKING, I'M GIVING YOU NOTICE OF CEASE AND DECEASED. OKAY, WE IN LITIGATION RIGHT NOW. YOU THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, KEEP DISRESPECTING US. YOU DON'T HAVE NO RESPECT FOR US WITH THE FOUNDERS SUBMISSION. SAN ANTONIO VALERO. IT'S TWO CHURCHES. [00:30:01] MAVERICK PLAZA IS AN ONTARIO BUREAU GROUND. IT'S NOTTA, IT'S NOT A SPANISH VILLAGE, IT'S A BARRIO. DE LOS P IS AIR, P IS FIRST NATION OR PEOPLE ARE BURIED THERE. MORE THAN 1300 INDIANS. CHILDREN INDIANS ARE BURIED THERE. ALAMO PLAZA AND VALERO. IT'S ENTIRELY BURIAL GROUND. THE ENTIRE COMPOUND OF THE MISSION. SAN ANTONIO ERO, THE COMPOUND ITSELF WITH THE TWO CHURCHES AND THE PLAZA THAT ARE ALREADY DESCRIBED, THE ENTIRE SIDE IS BUREAU GROUND IS . IT'S OVER 10 ACRES. THIS HOTEL IS GONNA, UH, UN CRUTCH THE SITE. HOW DARE YOU. HOW DARE YOU. HOW DARE YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TRIBAL SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY. YOU HAVE DISREGARD US RIGHT NOW. I'M GIVING YOU CEASE AND DECEASED WHEN FEDERAL COURT. AND NOW THERE'S STATE COURT. TRAVIS. THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT THERE. THERE'S NO REIMAGE. 450 CENTS FOR PHIL COLLINS. SHAME ON THAT SUPREMACIST WHITE GEORGE. YEAH. OR THE ARCHEOLOGIST NELSON. SINCE 2012, UNDER THE VIOLATION OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE ALAMO TRUST, THE G L O LITTLE G H P OSH AND OUTSIDER. HE'S NOT A SON OF THE TEXAS OF THE REPUBLIC. WE ARE THE SON OF THE TEXAS OR THE REPUBLIC FUNDERS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AS WELL. BEFORE THIS WAS TEXAS AND THE INDIAN TREATIES, WE WERE JUST RATIFIED BY THE UNITED NATIONS, BY LEGALIZATION THAT THOSE LI THOSE INDIAN TREATIES ARE UPHOLDING RIGHT NOW. WE SIGNED THE PAQUA INDIAN FIRST NATION SIGN A CONTRACT THAT IS BIDEN RIGHT NOW TREATY, PROTECTING BY THE POPE. NOT ONLY FRANCE AND THE NATION OF SPAIN. ALL OUR BURIALS, ALL OUR, UH, BIRTH OF INDIAN PEOPLE, ALL OUR MARRIAGES AND ALL THE BAPTISMS. YOU CANNOT BUILD NOTHING ON TOP OF THAT. THAT IS VIOLATION OF 7 9 7 45 ORDINANCE. THE INTER-TRIBAL AGREEMENT OF 1994. THE H UH, SENT ON TOP. UH, ONE SEVEN. UH, SEVEN NINE. WE TRAUMATIZED BY YOU WITH THESE ACTIONS. YOU ARE RIGHT NOW TAKING EVERYONE ON MY ANCESTORS. WE READY WITH A D N A OR BLOOD? QUANTUM IS HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE IMMUNITY. YOU SHOULD RIGHT NOW CEASE AND SEIZE ON THESE THREE ITEMS. THREE AND FOUR. YOU SHOULD NOT BROUGHT 'EM. YOU SHOULD ALREADY BE APPRAISED BY YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE WAY LITIGATION, YOU CANNOT MOVE THESE THREE ITEMS, THE THREE AND FOUR ITEMS. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. AND I FEEL VERY OFFENDED BY YOU. BUT THATTA TWISTED ATA, MEXICO, UH, IAD TORCH ON TOP OF THE BUREAU OF OUR PEOPLE. HOW DARE YOU, MEXICO. YOU CAN TAKE IT BACK TO THE THIRD WORLD. 'CAUSE THAT'S HOW, HOW OUR COUNTRY, MEXICO HAS TURNED A THIRD WORLD OF KILLING PEOPLE. NO RESPECT. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE RUNNING HERE. YOU'RE RUNNING HERE COMFORTABLE. SO AGAIN, I'M TELLING YOU, CEASE AND DISEASE, WE ARE GOING TO INTERNATIONAL COURT, UNITED NATIONS. YES. I WILL FILE YOU BY LETTING ALL OUR INDIAN INDIGENOUS RIGHTS, ALL OUR INDIAN RELIGIOUS PRACTICES, ACTIVITIES ARE GOING TO DIMINISH. EVERYTHING IS SECRET THERE. THE OFFER, GIS BUILDINGS OR CRACKED BUILDING BLOCK, IT'S SECRET. YOU CANNOT TOUCH THEM. AND WE KNOW PHIL, UH, DAVIS IS GONNA LAST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THAT IS NOT THE SECRETION. CHILDREN NEED SOME ENTERTAINMENT. IT'S AMERICAN TILE. IT'S OKAY. LEAVE IT ALONE. IT'S A PLAZA. NO TREES. YOU'RE NOT GONNA ENTANGLE MORE BONES. AND YOU HAVE TO DIG DEEP OVER SEVEN FEET ALL OVER THE PLAZA. I WANNA SEE A HOLE OVER SEVEN FEET DOWN IN THE CHURCH. OKAY? NOT 20 INCHES. SHAME ON GEORGES CAR. SHAME IN PHILADELPHIA. WHO ARE THESE JOJOS EXPERTS? ON WHAT? ON NOTHING. JUST POLISHING A LITTLE MARKER THERE TO A, A MONUMENT FOR THE VETERANS OF THE ALAMO DEFENDERS, AND MANY OF THEM ARE NATIVE AMERICANS. INDIAN JUAN, THE WERE INDIANS. MA'AM, PLEASE KEEP RECORDING. AND ALL WE WANNA SAY, YOU SHOULD NOT BRING THESE ITEMS NOW. YOU NEED TO STOP. [00:35:01] WE IN LITIGATION. STOP. NO, $400 MILLION. NOT EVEN A TRILLION. STOP OR BON ARE YOU SELL ALREADY TWICE. AND I FINISHED THIS TIME THE INDIAN BUREAU GRAND MR. SANTO. THAT, THAT THE, THE, THAT'S THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SOLID FOR PROFIT, NOT THE CITY. SELL IT FOR PROFIT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. FOR A GENOCIDES MUSEUM TO CHARGE TOURISTS LIKE CATTLE. MA'AM, CAN YOU PLEASE HAVE A SEAT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. REGINA VAN CLEVE. HELLO, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED HOTEL PROJECTS IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE GERMAN ENGLISH SCHOOL. WE HOPE THAT THE AMOUNT OF ORIGINAL MATERIAL REMOVED TO CONNECT THE RESTAURANT TO THE HOTEL LOBBY WILL BE MINIMIZED AS MUCH AS PRACTICAL. SECONDLY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY DISAGREES THAT THE MASSING OF THE NEW STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE BLOCK, UH, SINCE IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE HOTEL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF AGA. THIRDLY, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THE NORTH FACADE. ONE OF THE LARGEST EXPANSES OF THE NEW BUILDING TO JUDGE ITS IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT IT OVERLOOKS THE LEVEL OF DETAIL PROVIDED FOR THE NARROW EAST FACADE NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED FOR THE VERY WIDE NORTH AND SOUTH FACADES. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. THANK YOU FOR THE APPLICANT'S. PLEASE COME BACK UP. UH, WE'LL ADDRESS THE COMMENTS, UH, TO THE SECOND SPEAKER. UM, APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, DETAIL THAT WE CAN DEVELOP FURTHER AS FAR AS THE NORTH ELEVATION. UH, WE PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING. WE BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE. UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. UM, TO THE FIRST SPEAKER, I IS, I, I DON'T THINK THAT APPLIES TO OUR SITE. ALL, ALL THE DISCUSSION FROM THE FIRST SPEAKER. I THINK THAT APPLIES TO A DIFFERENT PROJECT. IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, PERHAPS YOU COULD CLARIFY IF THAT'S APPLICABLE TO OUR PROJECT. DIDN'T THINK IT WAS. GUESS YOU CAN, MAYBE YOU CAN COMMENT ON THE, OVER HERE ON THE ARCHEOLOGY THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU OKAY WITH THAT STIPULATION AND WHAT, HOW YOU'LL PROCEED WITH THAT? OH, YES, ACTUALLY, YEAH. IT'S CERTAINLY THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, STUDY IS REQUIRED. IT'S BEEN GOING ON THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS ACTUALLY ON SITE. AND, UM, CERTAINLY WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH OUR, UH, CONSULTANT GROUP AND, UM, O H P TO PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK TO THAT IN WHATEVER MITIGATING, UH, EFFORTS NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO, INTO ACCOUNT. ABSOLUTELY. ARE YOU ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OTHER STIPULATIONS? YES. I MEAN THE STAFF REPORT, YES. I'M SEEING AS THIS WAS ON CONSENT AND YOU'RE AGREEING TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND TO CLARIFY, IS THAT APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, PROJECT. THANK YOU. GIMME ONE SECOND. OKAY, MOVING [A-4 19-8915 Address/Description: 300 ALAMO PLAZA 300 BLOCK OF BONHAM 200 BLOCK OF E CROCKETT ALAMO PLAZA PARK HDRC Case No.: 2019-702 Historic District Name: Alamo Plaza Historic District Landmark Name: Alamo / Alamo Plaza Applicant: City of San Antonio Request: Street Improvements, Landscaping and Hardscaping Improvements, Final Repair and Restoration of the Cenotaph in a new plaza City Council Dist.: 2] ON TO ITEM A FOUR, UM, 300 ALAMO PLAZA, THE 300 BLOCK OF BONHAM, THE 200 BLOCK ABUSE CROCK AT AN ALAMO PLAZA PARK AREA. UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO IMPLEMENT PHASE ONE OF THE ALAMO PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES STREET IMPROVEMENTS, LANDSCAPING, HARD CAP, LANDSCAPING, AND HARDSCAPING. AND, UM, FINAL POSITIONING AND DETAILS RELATED TO THE RELOCATION OF THE SYNAP. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. UM, AT THIS TIME I WILL INVITE, UM, THE, UH, DESIGN TEAM, UH, FOR THE ALAMO PLAN TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. UM, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH A SPEAKER SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. IS THIS WORKING? OKAY, THERE WE GO. HOW ARE YOU? I'M JOHN KASMAN WITH P J V DESTINATIONS. [00:40:01] UH, WE'RE GONNA SPLIT UP A LITTLE BIT OF OUR PRESENTATION AMONGST THE THREE OF US. AS A REMINDER TO START, UM, WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD TODAY A LITTLE SUMMARY OF PHASE ONE, UH, WHICH IS REALLY AN EXPANSION OF DETAIL OF WHAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY LAST FALL, UH, WHEN YOU GUYS APPROVED THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN. UM, SO THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, JUST THE FIRST EXECUTION OF THE FIRST PHASE RELATIVE TO THOSE. UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW IN THREE STEPS. UH, FIRST IS GONNA BE, UH, SITE REVIEW AND SOME SITE DETAILS. SECOND IS MONUMENT RESTORATION DETAILS, AND THE THIRD ONE BEING INTERPRETIVE DETAILS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL INTRODUCE ERIC KRAMER FROM REED HILDEBRAND. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, AS JOHN SAID, JUST OVER A YEAR AGO, WE PRESENTED THE BROAD BRUSH, UH, APPROACH TO THE FULL SITE, THE ALAMO PLAN, THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDES THE REINTERPRETATION OF THE MISSION. TODAY WE'RE ALS WE'RE TALKING PRIMARILY ABOUT THE AREA OF ALAMO PLAZA, THE AREA THAT WAS REPRESENTED DURING THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN. IN THIS WAY, THE SCOPE OF WORK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS PRIMARILY IN FRONT OF THE MENGER ALONG ALAMO STREET, THE SOUTH SIDE OF ALAMO PLAZA, CROCKETT STREET, AND BONHAM STREET, LINKING THE CROCKETT HOTEL BACK TO ALAMO PLAZA. THE VISION OF WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE AT THE END OF THE FIRST PHASE OF WORK IS REPRESENTED IN THIS DRAWING. IT INCLUDES THE CREATION AND COMPLETION OF A PLAZA, A PEDESTRIAN SPACE, THE REMOVAL OF CARS FROM THE AREA IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF THE MANGER, THE RELOCATION OF THE C HALF TO THIS SITE, UM, THE REPAVING OF EAST CROCKETT AND PARTS OF BONUM STREET. AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THESE IN, UH, IN PIECES. PRIMARY TO THIS IS THE RELOCATION OF THE CAF TO THIS SITE. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE AND THE INTERPRETIVE COMPONENTS OF THE CAF. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE EAST AND WEST ELEMENTS, THE, THE SCULPTURE OF THE DEFENDERS, AND THE IDEA THAT THOSE ARE REALLY TO BE SEEN AT A KIND OF INTIMATE LEVEL, A FACE-TO-FACE LEVEL. AND THEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE NORTH AND SOUTH SCULPTURAL ELEMENTS, WHICH ARE OF A LARGER, MORE MONUMENTAL SCALE, WE THINK TO BE SEEN FROM A DISTANCE. WE'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF THE SITE OVER TIME, THE TRANSFORMATION OF IT FROM A VERY EXPOSED AND OPEN SPACE IN THE EARLY FORTIES TO A SPACE THAT WE KNOW TODAY AS SURROUNDED BY TREES ALMOST GARDEN LIKE. AND SO AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THE SITE, WE SEE HOW WE UNDERSTAND THE CENO TAF OBLIQUELY AT A LONG DISTANCE, UM, WHEN WE'RE DRIVING UP ALAMO STREET AND HOW THAT KIND OF, UH, UM, EXPERIENCE OF BEING SURROUNDED BY THE LIVE OAKS IS ACTUALLY QUITE SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE SOUTH PLAZA. UM, THIS HAS LED US TO RECOGNIZE AN OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WE THINK IS TO PRESERVE A NUMBER OF THE MATURE LIVE OAKS ON THE SOUTH PLAZA, SO THAT WHEN THE CAF MOVES, IT'S MOVING TO A SITE THAT HAS THE CHARACTER AND SCALE OF A PLACE THAT'S BEEN THERE, NOT A PLACE THAT IS BRAND NEW CREATED. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE TWO MOMENTS, THE SPACE OF THE CAF TODAY, AND THE SPACE WHERE THE BANDSTAND IS TODAY, WHICH IS WHERE THE CAF, UH, WILL BE RELOCATED, WE SEE A SENSE OF THAT ENCLOSURE AND CHARACTER AND SHADE. UH, THIS IS THAT PLAN, UM, IN THE LONG RANGE. SO THIS IS INCLUDING FUTURE PHASES OF WORK, INCLUDING THE PEDESTRIANIZATION OF ALAMO STREET, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UM, TO COMMERCE. THE LOCATION OF THE SENATE IS ALSO PARTLY PRESCRIBED BY THE INTENSE AMOUNT OF UTILITIES THAT ARE ON THE SITE AND THE FUTURE ROOT OF THE PARADE, WHICH WILL COME DOWN BOTTOM. UH, THE FESTIVAL PARADES WILL COME DOWN BOTTOM AROUND CROCKETT AND DOWN TO COMMERCE, AND THOSE ARE PRESERVED WITHIN THIS PLAN. WE WANNA SHOW YOU A FEW IMAGES OF WHAT WE THINK THAT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK LIKE. HERE. YOU'RE SEEING THE RELOCATED SYNTA FROM THE NORTH, LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS THE MENGER. WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CREATE AN ENCLOSED SPACE, ONE THAT FEELS INTIMATE AND AT SCALE. SO THAT, AND PLACES WHERE YOU CAN SIT. IMAGINE THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY. YOU ARE ON TRAFFIC ISLAND. THE ONLY PLACE TO SIT IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AWAY FROM THE CAF OUT TO THE STREET. HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SIT ALONG THE EDGE OF PLANTING BEDS, LOOKING IN AND CONTEMPLATING THE CAF IN ITS FUTURE LOCATION, SURROUNDED BY LIVE OAKS AND PLANTING THAT HAS THE SENSE OF BEING INTIMATE. BUT OF COURSE, THERE ARE NO STAIRS AND NO RAMPS. THIS IS AT GRADE WITH THE CITY, SO IT'S COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE TO ANYBODY TO ARRIVE IN A WAY THAT THE CTA IS NOT. TODAY, YOU'LL NOTE THAT WE HAVE, UH, REORIENTED [00:45:01] THE CTA 180 DEGREES HERE. THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE, WHICH TODAY FACES SOUTH FROM THE NORTH TOWARDS THE CHURCH HERE, IS REORIENTED 180 DEGREES. SO THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE IS FACING THE CHURCH AND THE BATTLEFIELD. WE THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TRANSITION IN TERMS OF ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE HISTORIC RESOURCES. THE IDEA THAT THIS WILL BE A WELCOME TO YOUR EXPERIENCE AS YOU ARRIVE AT THE ALAMO. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE FUTURE LONG-TERM PHASE A ALONG ALAMO WITH THE RIVER CENTER ON THE RIGHT. AND YOU SEE THE SYNTA AHEAD. YOU'VE LEFT BREAKS IN THE TREES SO MUCH LIKE TODAY. YOU SEE IT OBLIQUELY FROM A DISTANCE. YOU ARE DRAWN TO IT. YOU ARE INVITED TO EXPLORE IT, CL UM, MORE, UH, UH, CLOSELY. AND THEN YOU ENTER THIS SPACE WHERE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PAUSE IN A SHADY, QUIET LOCATION AND TO, TO UNDERSTAND AND ENGAGE WITH THE SYNTA AS A GREAT WORK THAT IT IS. THIS IS AN IMAGE OF IT TODAY AND THE IMAGE OF IT IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS THE LONG-TERM PLAN WITH, AGAIN, THE COMPLETION OF WORK ALL THE WAY, UM, DOWN TO COMMERCE STREET. AND AGAIN, YOU SEE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE A KIND OF CHARACTER AND A SENSE OF ITS SPACE, BUT TO IMPROVE ITS ACCESSIBILITY AND ITS LEGIBILITY. THE MATERIALS THAT WE'LL BE USING IN THE PLAZA ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THAT SENSE OF CHARACTER. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT MATERIALS THAT ARE TRADITIONAL. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CREATE A KIND OF 21ST CENTURY PLAZA. WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A TIMELESS PLAZA THAT WILL LAST FOREVER AND ALWAYS FEEL LIKE IT'S OF THE TIME. UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT, UH, BOTH SMALL AND LARGE SCALE PAVINGS SO THAT WE CAN BREAK DOWN THE SCALE OF THE SPACE AND AGAIN, MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND INTIMATE. THE APPROACH TO MATERIALS WILL BE ALL ABOUT DURABILITY, SOLIDITY. WE THINK THAT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE CURBS AND THE BENCHES TO BE EXPRESSIVE AND DYNAMIC AND COMFORTABLE, THE PLANTING AROUND WILL BE, UH, PRIMARILY OF LIVE OAK TO CREATE THIS INCREDIBLE SHADE AND SCALE OF SPACE FOR THE CAF AS WELL AS A STRUCTURE OF SHRUBS, BUT LOW ENOUGH THAT WE'RE NOT BLOCKING VIEWS AND OR CREATING ANY SENSE OF INSECURITY AND A PERVASIVE GROUND COVER OF PLANTING. THESE WILL BE REGIONALLY APPROPRIATE, RESILIENT, AND OF COURSE, SHADE TOLERANT. TODAY, THE SENATE IS ACTUALLY NOT LIT. YOU MOSTLY UNDERSTAND IT BY THE LIGHTING AROUND IT. WE THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO EXPRESS THE SCULPTURAL COMPONENTS THROUGH TARGETED LIGHTING. NOT LIGHTING IT UP LIKE A BEACON ALL, UH, CONSISTENTLY, BUT TO LIGHT THE SCULPTURAL ELEMENTS IN RELIEF. SO, UM, WE THINK THERE'S, UH, ON THE GROUND PLANE, THERE SHOULD BE A CONSISTENT AND SAFE QUALITY OF LIGHT SO PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE WALKING THROUGH HERE AT NIGHT, BUT LIKE THE IMAGES IN THE MIDDLE THAT THE SCULPTURAL ELEMENTS WILL BE LIT SO THAT THEY READ, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM AT ALL HOURS. UM, AS I SAID, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS TO CROCKETT AND BONUM, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE, UM, PRESERVING, UH, VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE MANGER DROP-OFF, BUT STOPPING CARS FROM GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UM, TO, UH, ALAMO STREET. AND IT WILL INCLUDE, UH, CREATING A PAVED PLAZA SURFACE ALL THE WAY TO THE CROCKETT HOTEL. SO THE CROCKETT HOTEL WILL BE AS IF IT IS ON THE PLAZA. THIS IS BONHAM STREET, WHICH WILL BE NARROWED SO THAT THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR A SIDEWALK ALONG THE HOTEL. AND THERE'S AN AREA FOR BUS DROP OFF BEHIND THE GARDEN RIGHT IN FRONT OF, UM, THE CROCKETT HOTEL. UH, YOU SEE THE IDEA THAT THERE BECOMES A PEDESTRIAN PLAZA. THIS IS WHAT IT IS LIKE TODAY. IT'S QUITE PEDESTRIAN UNFRIENDLY. THERE ARE NOT SAFE CROSSWALKS. UH, THE FUTURE CONDITION REPRESENTED HERE. WE'LL USE BOLLARDS TO CONTROL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, BUT WE'LL CREATE A MUCH MORE PLEASANT AND SAFE CONNECTION FOR PEDESTRIANS. THIS IS THE IMAGE OF WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AT THE END OF PHASE ONE, UH, WITH THE CARS REMOVED AND FULLY ACCESSIBLE ENTRANCES TO THE BUILDINGS AROUND. UM, AND THEN IN THE LONG TERM, THIS IS THE IMAGE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK LIKE AS WE COMPLETE THE FUTURE PHASES OF WORK ALONG SOUTH ALAMO. THAT'S THE FULL SCOPE. HI, MY NAME IS TRACY MARKOT. I'M WITH C V M. AND I'D LIKE TO JUST TALK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT THE CAF RESTORATION PROCESS. UH, WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE IMPORTANCE AND THE REFERENCE THAT WE HOLD FOR THE SENATE HALF. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN WE LOOK AT PRESERVING IT FOR THE NEXT CENTURY, UH, OUR OFFICE BREAKS IT DOWN ALONG THE LINES OF, IT'S A SERIES OF DIMENSION STONED ELEMENTS CARVED STONE WITH A CONCRETE SUPERSTRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE [00:50:01] A PHOTO FROM THE 19TH, THIRTIES WHERE YOU KNOW, WHAT A WONDERFUL PICTURE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE CONCRETE EXPOSED. AND THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS THAT ACCOMPANY THIS PHOTO, WE ACTUALLY SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE OFF AN INCH OR TWO, BUT IN REALITY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE STRUCTURE THAT WAS DESIGNED AND DOCUMENTED WAS ACTUALLY EXECUTED. UH, WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT SURPRISES MAY BE HELD WITH THE STRUCTURE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A, A MARBLE AND GL GRANITE CLAD CONCRETE STRUCTURE, UH, HOW THE MARBLE IS SUPPORTED OR ANY OF THE SORT OF CLADDING COMPONENTS ARE SUPPORTED. THEY HAVE GRAVITY, UH, SUPPORTS AND THEY ARE CONNECTED FOR LATERAL CONNECTIONS WITH THESE TINY LITTLE, UH, WHAT WE THINK ARE ALUMINUM FIXINGS, WHICH JUST HIGHLY UNUSUAL AND PERHAPS NOT A GREAT APPLICATION OF ALUMINUM FROM THAT TIMEFRAME. UH, AND HOLDING THINGS TOGETHER, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SIGNS OF DETERIORATION, ALTHOUGH THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THE SENATE HAVE HAS BEEN CARED FOR AND MINIMALLY REPAIRED OVER THE YEARS. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER, THAT ORIGINAL JOINT, YOU CAN SEE THE, THIS FILLER MATERIAL USED TO BE ABOUT THAT USED TO FILL THE JOINT. NOW IT'S ABOUT HALF OF THE JOINT, SO THE STONES ARE STARTING TO DISPLACE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MONUMENT TODAY, WITH THE LONG LIGHT COMING IN OVER THE WINTER, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE TRIANGULAR SHADOWS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOP IS STARTING TO SPLAY JUST FROM THE STREET. AND, UH, THE OTHER WAY THAT THIS MANIFESTS ITSELF IS YOU CAN SEE SUBTLE CRACKS AND CHIPS IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER. UNCOMMON, OR SORT OF VERY COMMON THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE INSECTS TAKING UP RESIDENTS IN THE SCULPTURE'S EYES OR SHEER CRACKS OVER THE HEAD WITH THAT VERY LARGE PALM UNIT. AND THEN OF COURSE, IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, YOU CAN SEE JUST SIGNS THAT MARBLE IF EXPOSED, SOMETIMES HAS INHERENT FLAWS AND SOMETIMES ERODES WITH TIME. SO IT IS TIME FOR A LARGER RESTORATION OF THE CTA BEFORE, UH, DAMAGE BECOMES MORE PRONOUNCED. WHERE WE'RE DRAWING OUR, UH, CONSIDERABLE EXPERTISE ON THIS PROJECT IS FROM A PROJECT THAT WE COMPLETED IN BALTIMORE. THIS IS THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, THE FIRST MONUMENT TO WASHINGTON IN THE UNITED STATES. CONSTRUCTED STARTED 1815 WITH AN 18 FOOT STATUE OF GEORGE WASHINGTON AT THE TOP. UH, THE FUN PART ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT ACTUALLY HAD A SERIES OF MARBLE QUALITY. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM ACTUALLY WAS NOT GREAT MARBLE. THE MIDDLE WAS BETTER AND THE SCULPTURE WAS THE VERY BEST. SO WE'RE USING THAT SORT OF CALIBRATION WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CENO HALF BECAUSE WE'RE, OUR APPROACH IS COMPLETELY NON-DESTRUCTIVE. OUR FIRST, UH, THING IS TO ACTUALLY START USING THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS TO CONSTRUCT A THREE D MODEL. AND YOU CAN SEE A PROGRESSION FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AT FIRST WE DREW THE CONCRETE, THEN WE PUT THE BRICK INFILL. NOW WE'RE STARTING TO LAY IN ALL THE PIECES AS YOU MOVED, RIGHT? WHAT WE'RE DOING ALSO IS WE'RE GONNA BE COMPARING THAT, UH, PRECISE THREE-DIMENSIONAL COMPUTER MODEL WITH, UH, HIGH RESOLUTION SCANS OF THE EXTERIOR. SO ON THE LEFT, A CHURCH THAT, UH, STEEPLE THAT WE STUDIED IN PHILADELPHIA, UH, THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY A RESOLUTION SCAN. IT'S AMAZING, AND WE'RE ABLE TO COMPARE IT TO THE PERFECTION OF A COMPUTER MODEL. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, WE'RE ACTUALLY HOPE TO DO SEXUAL ANALYSIS FOR ECCENTRICITIES AND UNDERSTANDING CHANGES IN DISPLACEMENT. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS UNDERSTAND THE MONUMENT WITHOUT TAKING IT APART TO TRY AND DO AS MINIMAL DAMAGE AS POSSIBLE. ANOTHER THING THAT'S, UH, ALSO HOPEFUL, BUT MAYBE NOT QUITE GONNA HAPPEN, UH, WE'LL SEE BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONSTRUCTION, DO DOCUMENTS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE IS HOLLOW WITH, AND THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FLY A DRONE INSIDE BEFORE IT'S TAKEN APART. SO I THINK I'VE GIVEN YOU ENOUGH BACKGROUND ABOUT WHY WE HAVE TO TAKE IT APART, BUT I'LL JUST PUNCTUATE IT A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SIGNS OF DISTRESS AT THE VERY TOP, WHICH MAY BE RELATED TO A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE IS THE QUALITY OF THE CONCRETE. AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1930S, CONCRETE WAS CONSIDERED AN ECONOMIC STRUCTURAL MATERIAL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DURABLE. WHEN I THINK ABOUT DECADES OF EXPOSURE, UH, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE CONCRETE INSIDE THERE HAS STARTED TO CARBONATE. THAT'S JUST REACTION FROM CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE ATMOSPHERE. AND NOW THAT THE STEEL REINFORCEMENT IS STARTING TO CORRODE AND IT'S STARTING TO MONKEY WITH THE STRUCTURAL FRAME. SECONDLY, JUST SOME OF THESE JOINTS, IF YOU ALLOW THESE STONES TO JUST CONTINUE TO JIGGLE AND OPEN, THEY'RE JUST GONNA GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE WITH TIME. THEN YOU ADD THE FACT THAT ALUMINUM IS TERRIBLE IN MASONRY APPLICATIONS AT HIGHER PH UH, YOU JUST SORT OF, YOU WANT THIS MONUMENT TO LAST CENTURIES, SO IT'S TIME TO ACTUALLY TAKE IT APART. PUT IT BACK WITH STAINLESS STEEL HARDWARE, WHICH HAS A DEMONSTRATED TRACK RECORD. UM, THERE ARE SOME RIGGING CHALLENGES. I WON'T GO INTO IT, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK TO ANYONE ABOUT IT. BUT WE MOVED THE LIBERTY BELL IN 2003 FROM ITS ORIGINAL HOME TO ITS NEW LIBERTY BELL PAVILION. UH, WE THINK THAT THERE'S A WONDERFUL MOMENT WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY CONSERVE THESE PIECES ONSITE AND [00:55:01] IN PUBLIC, AND IT'S EDUCATIONAL, BUT IT'S ALSO A, A TRANSPARENCY AND A TRUST THAT WE COULD BUILD. AND THE NEW SUPERSTRUCTURE, OUR INTENT WITH THAT IS TO CREATE A STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE SO DURABLE THAT, UH, YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO DISMANTLE THIS MONUMENT AGAIN BASED ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE CONCRETE INSIDE OR ANY OF ITS FIXINGS. SO THE NOTION WOULD BE THAT THE MONUMENT WILL BE RESTORED TO THE POINT WHERE IT WOULD JUST BECOME A ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING EXERCISE OVER THE DECADES. SO THANK YOU. WE HAVE JUST, WE HAVE JUST A FEW QUICK SLIDES AT THE END. WE, WE SPOKE QUITE A BIT ABOUT INTERPRETIVE CONTENT WHEN WE ARE HERE WITH YOU FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE OVERALL INTERPRETIVE PLAN. UH, WE WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT THERE IS SOME INTERPRETATION INCLUDED IN PHASE ONE. NOT A LOT, UM, BUT A TOUCH. AND WE WANTED TO REVIEW THAT WITH YOU AS WELL. UH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INTERPRETATION FOR THIS SUBJECT, IT, IT REALLY BREAKS DOWN INTO THE THREE CONVERSATIONS. THERE'S QUITE A FEW CONVERSATIONS RELATIVE TO ADDITIONAL NAMES, MISSPELLED NAMES, AND HOW THAT APPROACH, UH, WILL BE HANDLED. SO WE'RE GONNA TOUCH ON THAT. SECOND ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT BLACK LINE THAT ERIC WENT OVER AS, AS FAR AS THE LIMITS OF PHASE ONE, WE DO HAVE SOME CONTENT THAT WE'RE INCLUDED THERE. WE WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE CONTENT THAT'S OUTSIDE AND ADJACENT TO THE AREAS, JUST LIKE THE PAVING, UH, FOR THIS IS GONNA EXTEND INTO THE FUTURE WORK. WE HAVE SOME INTERPRET CONTENT THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER NOW FOR THAT AS WELL. UH, QUICK NOTE, I, WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO REVISE THE EXISTING SCULPTURES TOUCH THE EXISTING MONUMENT AS FAR AS REVISION OF NAMES THAT ARE THERE. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NAMES THAT ARE MISSING. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MISSPELLINGS, BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE TWO EXTREMES OF DOING NOTHING AND NOT ADDRESSING THAT TOPIC, OR GETTING IN THERE AND MODIFYING WHAT'S THERE, WE DON'T THINK THE TWO EXTREMES NEITHER ARE APPROPRIATE. WE ARE, HOWEVER, WE ARE CONSIDERING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMAGE AND YOU SEE THAT PINK ZONE DOWN THERE, UH, WE ARE RUNNING THROUGH MULTIPLE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS TO POTENTIALLY ADD NAMES TO THE MARBLE THAT ARE BELOW THAT IS BELOW THE MONUMENT. THAT DESIGN THAT'S UP THERE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A DESIGN AT ALL. WILL IT END UP USING THE SAME FONT, DIFFERENT FONTS, SAME KERNING? WILL IT BE A LINEAR FREEZE? WILL IT BE GROUPED? UH, THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW AND, AND NEED TO CONSIDER DEEPLY. UM, UH, ALSO WE ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, MAY DESERVE TO BE A SUPPLEMENTAL INTERPRETIVE PANEL TO DESCRIBE THE RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO ADDITIONAL NAMES, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT CERTAINLY IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AN APPROACH NOT TO JUST TAKE THE NAMES AND PUT 'EM ON A SMALL PANEL ON THE SIDE THAT ARE ADDITIONAL, AGAIN, DOES NOT SEEM APPROPRIATE TO US. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THE FINAL DESIGN IS, IS TO BE DETERMINED AND STILL IN PROCESS. UH, WHEN WE GET INTO THE SCOPE OF WORK OF INTERPRETIVE WITHIN PHASE ONE, THERE ARE STORIES THAT WE BELIEVE DESERVE TO BE TOLD THAT AREN'T BEING TOLD. NOW, HONESTLY, WE HAVE STORIES OF THE DEFENDERS THEMSELVES, BUT ALSO OF THE ARTISTRY OF THE SENATE TAB AS A PIECE OF MEMORIAL ART. SO WE ARE CONSIDERING MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT EXPANDING UPON THE DEFENDERS, EXPANDING UPON CUPINI, WHAT INSPIRED HIM, BUT ALSO, UH, THE OTHER WORK IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER ARCHITECTS AND ARTISTS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN ADDITION TO CUPINI. UH, WHY WAS IT DECIDED TO BE A SENATE ATTACK RATHER THAN ANOTHER STAFF MEMORIAL? THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT WILL BE INCLUDED LOCATION YET TO BE DETERMINED. WE'LL WORK INTIMATELY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COINCIDES WITH ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT ERIC DESCRIBED. MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T SUPERSEDE THE CONTEMPLATIVE NATURE OF THE ROOM THAT IS CREATING, GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE BENCHES AND ALL THE OTHER SITE WORKS AROUND IT RATHER THAN FIGHT WITH IT. AGAIN, EXACT LOCATIONS OF THOSE ELEMENTS YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT WILL BE WORKED THROUGH. UH, FINALLY, IT'S A REMINDER THERE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE STORIES THAT, THAT OCCURRED ALONG THAT SOUTH EDGE THAT DESERVE TO BE TOLD. SO DON'T, UH, WE WANTED TO SHARE THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S NOT JUST WITHIN THIS PHASE ONE, WE'RE ALREADY CONSIDERING HOW THESE CHOICES IMPACT FUTURE PHASES AND ALL THE ADJACENT, UH, PLAZA. THERE ARE STORIES THAT WE WILL, UH, CONSIDER, UH, HOW YOU APPROACH THE SOUTHGATE AND THE MISSION PERIOD, THE SANTA ANA'S TROOP POSITIONS TO THE SOUTH, ALL THOSE STORIES, NOT NECESSARILY AGAIN, WITHIN THAT SITE LIMIT LINE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE. BUT AGAIN, WE WANTED TO ADDRESS IT THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS HOLISTICALLY, UH, UH, NOT INDIVIDUALLY. UH, WITH THAT, THAT IS OUR, THAT IS OUR LAST SLIDE, OUR LAST BIT OF PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE NOW HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. YES. WE'RE GONNA OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, I HAVE THE FIRST SHEET HERE WITH ME AND I'M GONNA START READING THE NAMES. UM, IF YOU ARRIVED LATE AND STILL WOULD LIKE TO SIGN IN TO SPEAK, THERE'S A SECOND SHEET IN THE FOYER THAT WE'LL PULL NEXT. ONCE WE'RE OUT OF NAMES ON THIS SHEET. UM, WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, I ASK THAT YOU, UM, MAKE SURE YOU, UH, SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD. UH, MAKE SURE YOU ADJUST THE MIC AS NEEDED AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU FOR THE RECORD. UM, WE KNOW EVERYONE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS CASE, SO WE DO ASK THAT YOU, UH, REMAIN COURTEOUS AND, UM, UH, SPEAK TO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. UM, SO THE FIRST IS MARIA TORRES, AND I BELIEVE SOFI TORRES HAS ALSO YIELDED HER TIME FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES, [01:00:01] I ASSUME. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. CHAIR. I WISH YOU WOULD NOT EVEN SAY, YOU KNOW, ALL YOUR VERBAL COMMUNICATION TO THESE CROOKS OUTSIDERS. FOR THE ALAMO TRUST, GEORGE PBU HAS ALREADY BEEN CHARGED WITH MISMANAGEMENT. WE WERE THERE TESTIFYING FOR THE TEXAS FINANCE COMMITTEE DECEMBER THE FIFTH, 2017. HE LOST THE PUBLIC TRUST. SENATOR WILSON ASKED HIM WHY SO MANY NONPROFITS? IT WAS NOT THE ISSUE, THE LEGALITY, IT WAS LEGAL. WHY SO MANY? WHY LITTLE GEORGE P. BUSH ANSWER WAS THAT BECAUSE LIABILITY, BECAUSE THE MEMBERS THAT HE SELECT WERE FILTHY WEALTHY PEOPLE. OF COURSE, THEY'RE WHITES. THIS IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST PROJECT TO DESTROY ALL THE BUREAU GROUNDS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE TAKING THE BONES OVER PEOPLE RIGHT NOW BY THE HUNDREDS AND THE NAVE OF THE CHURCH AND THE CONVENT. AND THOSE ARE PREEXISTING OVER PEOPLE. THOSE BUREAUS WERE BEFORE 1718. WE HAVE THE PROOF. WE ALREADY TOLD YOU TO CEASE AND DECEASED YOU. SO DISRESPECTFUL TO US. THE PREVIOUS CHAIRMAN KNOWS ME. I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2012. THE, UH, HE MR. URBAN LAND BANK FRAUD BY JUDGE JAVIER RODRIGUEZ. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR FAMILY'S DESCENDANTS ARE HIRING AN INSIDER. OUR MARTINEZ VERA, THEY'RE TAKING YOU TO THE CLEANERS. HE'S TAKING YOU TO THE CLEANERS. BAD, BAD CHOICE. WE ALREADY RAT FIGHT BY THE UNITED NATIONS AS MY INDIAN BROTHER RA LAY LIAISON FOR THE FIRST NATION. I AM ALSO THE LA LIAISON LIAISON FOR RA. I'M THE TRIBAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. WE HAVE A LOT OF STANDING ON THIS. I CITE THE MAC AND TOUCH THE TRILOGY, SUPREME LAND OF THE LAND. ITS ARTICLE SIX, INDIAN TREATIES AND ARTICLE 11. TRIBAL SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY IS NOT AVAILABLE. YOU ARE SUBORDINATE GOVERNANCE. THE STATE, THE CITY OF MUNICIPALITY, THE COUNTIES ARE SUBORDINATE GOVERNORS. WE HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE AS AN INDIANS. WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT TO THE GREAT CHIEF, CHIEF RED CHIEF JUDGE. ORLANDO GARCIA. WE GOING TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. THIS IS GENOCIDE. THIS IS CULTURE GENOCIDE. YOU CANNOT FORWARD THESE DEVELOPMENT FOR THESE JUDGES DEVELOPERS. SHE ON DONALD MCDONALD, HE'S THE PUPPET OF THE ALAMO DOMAIN, THE PUPPET OF GEORGE P W, THESE THREE AND DO THE ALAMO FOUNDATION. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE CONCERT RIGHT AT THE MUNICIPAL. DON'T GO AND BUY THAT TICKET. DON'T CONTRIBUTE THAT MONEY. THEY'RE ALREADY INJURE US PERMANENTLY. CUMULATIVE DAMAGES. SECTION 1 0 6, DO NOT MOVE THE . I ALREADY TOLD YOU BEFORE I TESTIFY IN THE ITEM THREE. IT'S ORDINANCE 7 9 7 45. YOU TOTALLY VIOLATED IT. YOU TOTALLY VIOLATED UNITED NATIONS INDIGENOUS HUMAN RIGHTS WHO GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO TAKE THE BONES, THE SELECTION OF GEORGE P. BUSH ON JANUARY, 2019 OF 20 PAGES, THE PROTOCOL HUNDRED AND MORE INDIAN, YOU KNOW, THE SECRETION OF OUR PEOPLE. THOSE TRIBES DON'T HAVE NO LEGALITY HERE. ANO WIPE THEM OUT OUT OF THE FIRST OF THE, OF THE EARTH. BELIEVE ME, THE ARAPO THAT IS SITTING THERE, HE'S A CROOK. HE NOT ONLY WAS DURING THE BUILDING OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN MUSEUM OF HE HISTORY AND WASHINGTON DC BY THE GENERAL INSPECTOR, BY THE POST NEWS BECAUSE HE WAS SPENDING LAVISHLY AND EXPENSES NO DIFFERENT THAN DONALD MCDONALD. HE'S GETTING PAID 2,400. HOW IN THE WORLD YOU GONNA HAVE A MANAGER GETTING PAID HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO MANAGE THE MISSION? SAN ANTONIO DE VALERO? YOU DON'T NEED, NOT EVEN 200,000 ON THE PAYROLL OF A STATE. LETICIA VAN DEPU MAKE A BIG MISTAKE. IT MIGHT BE A REAL SHAME ON THEM. THIS IS AN INDIAN CURSE IN THIS PROJECT. DON'T ESTIMATE OWN ANCESTORS. IT'S NOT ME. IT'S THE VOICE OF MY ANCESTORS. [01:05:02] PACAS WITH THE FIVE FOUNDING FAMILIES. FORGET ABOUT THE CANARY ISLANDERS INVADERS, MURDERS. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE. THE CANARY ISLANDERS. WE DIVIDED AND WE DIVIDED. AND I'M TELLING YOU, WE DIVIDED. DON'T MESS WITH ANY OF US. WE DESCENDANTS OF AB ORIGINAL PEOPLE. THEY CAME FORCELY AND THE PROTECTION OF THE POPE, THE SPAIN GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT OUR BURIALS THROUGH, I ALREADY SAID IT, THROUGH BAPTISMS, MARRIAGES, BURIALS ON THOSE TREATIES, INDIAN TREATIES, THAT THEY'RE THE SUPREME LAND LAW OF THE LAND. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE. INDIANS, TRIBAL SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY, THEY CANNOT DISMISS THESE CLAIMS. NOT ON DEFINITIVE STATEMENT, NOT ON SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY, NOT THE TEXAS GENERAL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF CLOWNS. THE GOVERNOR ABOR IS A CLOWN. THEN PATRICK'S ANOTHER CLOWN. THEY CANNOT DISMISS THOSE CHARGES UNDER SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY. TRIBAL SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY, WE AFFIRM IT. WE HAVE NOT WAVE OR RIGHT AND WE HAVE US THE SAME RIGHTS AS JUDGE BRADY. ADDRESS THE KICKAPOO. THAT'S TIME. DURING THE CONTROVERSY OF THE CASINO, HE SAY, YOU DON'T RESOLVE THESE ISSUES. I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT. THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN I FINISH TIME, RECOGNIZE TRIBES AND NOT RECOGNIZE. THANK YOU. TIME, AND PLEASE HAVE A SEAT FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. PERRY, DONNA, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PERRY DONNA, 1000 EAST BASSE ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 0 9. AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT, I CANNOT BELIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE SO MESMERIZED BY A BUNCH OF MONEY TO GIVE AWAY THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE CITY, ALAMO PLAZA, TO THE STATE TO CONTROL, AND THUS ELIMINATE INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS SO-CALLED REIMAGINE THE ALAMO MEANS DESTROY OUR HISTORY, OUR TRADITIONS, AND OUR CUSTOMS. TO BUILD A FAKE DISNEYLAND SET THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY MUST WALK THROUGH A TOURIST TRAP TURNSTILE TO ENTER OUR OWN PLAZA. CLOSING THE STREET, WHICH IS PART OF SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORY, WILL MEAN THE ELIMINATION OF THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS PASSING IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO TO HONOR THE HEROES THAT DIED THERE SINCE 1891. TEARING DOWN THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT'S MADE SAN ANTONIO UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT. WE DO NOT TEAR DOWN HISTORIC PUR BUILDINGS. WE REPURPOSE THEM TO ADD TO ALL THIS, THE INSANITY OF MOVING THE SENATE OFF ALAMO GROUNDS WHERE THE DEFENDERS OF THE ALAMO FELL IS UNBELIEVABLE. MY GOD, NOT EVEN THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT REMOVES MAKESHIFT GRAVE SITES ALONG HIGHWAYS, AND YET THE CITY IS GOOD TO MOVE THE MONUMENT. UNBELIEVABLE. A BAD DREAM, PERHAPS. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT A BAD DREAM. THE CITY PASSED THIS HORROR WITHOUT ALLOWING ANY VOTE FROM THE CITIZENS. NO DOUBT, BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WOULD NEVER PASS. ANYONE WHO HADDEN, WHO ATTENDED COUNCILMAN TRAVINO SO-CALLED HEARINGS WILL ATTEST. THERE WERE NOTHING MORE THAN A DOG AND PONY SHOW. HEARING, HEARING AFTER FULL, AFTER HEARING PEOPLE SAY, NO, NO, NO. THEY WENT ON AND PASSED IT ANYWAY. WENT IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER. ALL IN ALL, THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS WAS AT ITS WORST IN THE CITY'S HISTORY. I'M ASKING THIS WHOLE PLAN, BE STOPPED PUT TO A VOTE TO THE CITIZENS BEFORE ONE SPADE OF DIRT IS, HAS TURNED BAD DECISIONS CAN BE REVERSED. AND THIS IS A BAD ONE. I HAVE TO ASK THIS COUNCIL, WILL THIS BE ANOTHER COUNCILMAN TRAVINO DOG PONY SHOW WITH A RUBBER STAMP? PATRICIA SPIETH, FOLLOWED BY LEE WHITE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PATRICIA SPACE. I LIVE AT 1700 JACKSON KILLER ROAD, APARTMENT 5 5 0 3 SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 1 3. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IT REALLY IS INTERESTING THAT Y'ALL HOLD YOUR MEETINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF A WORK WEEK AND AT AN ODD TIME. I GUESS THAT'S BECAUSE Y'ALL DON'T WANT PEOPLE AT YOUR MEETING TO SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON. AND Y'ALL DON'T WANT US TO HAVE ANY INPUT. FIRST OF ALL, I REALIZE THAT Y'ALL, A LOT OF Y'ALL ARE NOT NATIVE TEXANS, NORTH SAN ANTONIANS. THAT'S PROOF BY THE COMPANIES THAT Y'ALL HIRE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF EVEN TEXAS, WHO OWNS [01:10:01] THE ALAMO AND THE AREAS AROUND IT. WE, THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS, THIS THING WAS TRANSFERRED BY OUR STATE LEGISLATURE WITHOUT ANY OF OUR CONSENT OR VOICES. THIS GLOW WORKS WITH A PARTNERSHIP OF SOMETHING CALLED ALAMO COMPLEX MANAGEMENT IS WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATOR, UH, SPECIFIED AS A, A NONPROFIT TO PRESERVE AND OPERATE THE HISTORIC SITE. THE ALAMO COMPLEX MANAGEMENT ISN'T SHOWN ANYWHERE AS A 5 0 1 C THREE THAT HANDLES AND MANAGES THE ALAMO. I A NATIVE SAN ANTONIO. MY GREAT UNCLE JOHN LEWIS WAS COMMISSIONED TO PAINT MJA AUTRY BY THE, UH, DAUGHTERS OF THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS, WHO WERE THE CUSTODIANS OF THE ALAMO BACK AT THAT TIME. AND THIS WAS TO BE PLACED IN THE ALAMO. MR. AUTRY IS ALSO RELATED TO MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY. I HAVE SEEN IT. THERE ARE MANY TIMES FROM THE TIME I WAS A SMALL CHILD, WHEN MY MOTHER USED TO TAKE ALL FIVE OF US TO THE ALAMO AND WE WOULD ASK ABOUT UNCLE JOHN'S PAINTING. WE, I SAW IT NUMEROUS TIMES WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL ON FIELD TRIPS, AND I'VE EVEN TAKEN FRIENDS TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS TAKING MY DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILDREN TO THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS PARADE. SINCE WE HAVE TICKETS BY THE C HALF EACH YEAR, WE WENT THROUGH THE ALAMO. THE GIFT SHOP IS SO COMMERCIALIZED. I COULDN'T EVEN, AND I COULDN'T EVEN FIND UNCLE JOHN'S PICTURE. IT'S HORRIBLE THAT Y'ALL HAVE VENDORS ALONG THE WALKWAY LEADING TO, INTO THE ALAMO. Y'ALL ARE MAKING A SPECTACLE OF THE CRADLE OF TEXAS LIBERTY, AND IT'S DISGUSTING. I FIND THAT Y'ALL'S V VISION, THAT'S TIME TO MAKE CHANGE EQUALLY DISGUSTING CHORES COME TO THE ALAMO TO SEE AS IT WAS NOT SOME 21ST CENTURY FUTURISTIC THING. MA'AM, THAT'S TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. IT'S IT. I DO WANNA CLOSE BY SAYING IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO MOVE THE SENATE DEATH BECAUSE AS Y'ALL'S REPORTS SHOWED, IT COULD BE DESTROYED. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE TAKEN APART AND PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. OKAY, THANK YOU. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. SINCE WE, THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS OWN THE ALAMO, Y'ALL NEED TO ACCEPT, MA'AM, THAT'S THE TIME OUR WISHES AND LEAVE IT ALONE. UM, JUST A QUICK REMINDER, UM, THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, UM, ARE LIMITED TO ALL OF THE VARIOUS PHASES OF THE ALAMO PLAN. SO THIS IS PHASE ONE. UM, IT'S TWO STREET CLOSURES, UM, AND FINAL DETERMINATION OF THE ORIENTATIONAL LOCATION OF THE SYNTA AND THE PLAZA THAT SURROUNDS IT. SO I WILL ASK THAT EVERYONE STAY ON TOPIC. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OF THINGS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT THAT, THAT PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTS ON. UM, BUT PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS RELATED TO THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. UM, LEE WHITE. I'M LEE WHITE. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE ALAMO DEFENDER DESCENDANTS ASSOCIATION. WE ARE THE BLOODLINE OF THE ALAMO DEFENDERS. I STOOD BEFORE YOU, UM, MANY MONTHS AGO AND PLEADED WITH YOU NOT TO, UM, GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT WHERE THE CTA IS CONCERNED. WE'VE ASKED YOU NOT TO MOVE IT OUTSIDE THE WALLS, AND HERE YOU SEE THIS PRETTY LITTLE RENDITION AND, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS SO PEACEFUL. WHAT THAT IS, IS THEY'RE THROWING IT OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC 1836 FORT, AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT IN THE MEXICAN COMPOUND AND, AND, UM, A FORTRESS. SO WE ARE NOT ONLY DISTURBED BY THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO US. UM, WE'VE ASKED YOU NOT TO DO THAT. YOU'VE CONTINUED ON. NOW I CAN ONLY BRING FORTH A FEW LITTLE THOUGHTS THAT, UM, THAT I, UH, HAVE, UH, EXPRESSED IN THE PAST, WHICH WAS 13,000 SIGNATURES ON A PETITION I BROUGHT TO YOU LAST TIME, UH, PRINTED THEM. AND I ALSO BROUGHT TO YOU A FACT THAT WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL SURVEY DONE ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. EVERY COUNTY IN THIS STATE WAS POLLED AND OVERWHELMINGLY, THEY DON'T WANNA MOVE THE SENATE PATH, BUT THIS CITY HAS DECIDED THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE PEOPLE THINK. AND I'M ASKING YOU TODAY NOT TO PASS THIS. THE ALAMO DEFENDER DESCENDANTS ASSOCIATION [01:15:01] HAS FILED A LAWSUIT IN TRAVIS COUNTY, AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO WAIT AND LET THE JUDGE RULE ON THIS NOT TO JUMP THE GUN WITH IT. THIS CAN WAIT AGAIN. PLEASE STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS AND POSTPONE THE DECISION. THANK YOU. CHARISMA. BE REAL CHARISMA VIAL FOLLOWED BY SUSAN GREEN. HI, MY NAME IS CHARISMA VIAL. I'M FROM LOTUS, TEXAS. UM, I AM A DESCENDANT OF GREGORIO ESPOSA ALAMO DEFENDER AND HERO. UM, I WAS GONNA START OUT WITH SOME QUOTES FROM, UM, POMPEO CO'S BOOK, BUT THIS, UM, ARTICLE I HAVE FROM THE EXPRESS NEWS, UH, CIRCA 1937, I THINK WILL ALSO, UM, BRING TO LIGHT THE TS, UM, DIRECTION ON WHICH THEY WANNA, THEY WANNA PLACE IT, THEY WANNA TURN IT 180 DEGREES. WELL, ACCORDING TO POMPEO CUPINI, AND THIS WAS IN THE, THIS IS THE NEWS ARTICLE. IT SAYS, THE CITA WILL STAND ON THE SPOT WHERE THE DEFENDER'S SPOT TO THE DEPTH. IT WILL RE REPRESENT ART'S ATONEMENT FOR THE ENCROACHMENT OF BUSY STREET AND PLAZA. UPON HOLLOWED GROUND ON THE EAST SIDE, FACING THE RISING SUN, HEROIC FIGURES OF TRAVIS AND CROCKETT WILL STAND GUARD TO THE WEST WILL APPEAR BUOY AND BONUM AND SOLDIER FIGURES CLUSTER ABOUT THE LEADERS TO THE NORTH FACING THE FEDERAL BUILDING. THE STATELY FIGURE OF TEXAS WILL RISE HOLDING THE SHIELDS OF THE REPUBLIC AND THE UNITED STATES TO MARK THE UNION OF THE TWO IN 1845. NOW, WHEN YOU TURN THAT 180 DEGREES, YOU'RE TAKING COP'S WORK AND YOU'RE FLUSHING IT DOWN THE TOILET. EVERY SIDE HAS PURPOSE, EVERY SIDE HAS MEANING. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. THEY, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A, A SPOT PICKED OUT. THEY HAVE THREE SPOTS AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA TURN IT 180 DEGREES. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S TAKING THAT ARTIST'S WORK AND JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP AND WE KNOW BETTER. BUT GETTING TO THE BOOK, HE STATES IN HIS BOOK, FROM DAWN TO SUNSET, HOW MANY KNOW I ASK THAT OUR PRESENT ALAMO PLAZA WAS THE REAL BATTLEFIELD AND THERE, AND THAT WHERE THE CAF STANDS WAS THE CENTER OF THE MASSACRE. WHEN THE SECOND APPROPRIATION WAS MADE THROUGH THE ELOQUENCE OF THE HONORABLE JESSE JONES OF HOUSTON, THEY WERE HALF SATISFIED TO HAVE A CTA ERECTED OUTSIDE OF THE SACRED GROUND ON THE SPOT CALLED THE BANDSTAND. BUT IN FACT, A DIRTY COMFORT STATION, A K A A BATHROOM, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THE CTA TO A LATRINE AREA. THE VERY THOUGHT WAS REPULSIVE TO ME. AND WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE BOARD COUNCIL, I APPEARED BEFORE THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OR THE MAYOR, THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, AND HAD THE LOCATION CHANGED, WHERE IT IS NOW IN THE CENTER OF THE BATTLEFIELD, WHERE OUR HEROES BLOOD STAINED THAT SACRED SPOT. IF THERE WAS TO BE ONLY A MONUMENT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PLACED ON ANY PLAZA OF THE CITY. BUT WHEN IT WAS DECIDED THAT THE MEMORIAL WAS TO BE A SAF, NO OTHER LOGICAL PLACE COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN. BUT THE SPOT WHERE THE ALAMO HEROES WERE MASSACRED BY AN OVERWHELMINGLY SUPERIOR NUMBER AFTER REFUSING TO SURRENDER. THAT'S TIME. I HAVE ONE MORE SENTENCE. THAT TOMB MAY BE EMPTY, BUT THE SOIL IS SACRED AS YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN, AS WOULD HAVE BEEN THEIR CORPSES OR HAVING BEEN BURNED. THEIR ASHES COULD HAVE BEEN PRESERVED AND BURIED THERE. YES, I TOO WAS GREEDY. NOT FOR RICHES, MA'AM. THAT'S TIME. BUT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE ALL MY BRAIN, MY SOUL, ALL THE STRENGTH OF MY BODY TO BUILD FOR OUR HEROES. SOMETHING THAT WOULD LIVE AND COULD BE ADMIRED AND LOVED FOREVER. SUSAN GREEN. HI, MY NAME IS SUSAN GREEN. I LIVE AT 2 2 2 EAST HOUSTON STREET, 7 8 2 0 5, AND COMMISSIONERS, I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE DISHONORABLE RELOCATION OF THE SENATE, HALF BECAUSE IT QUOTE BLOCKS THE VIEW. ALSO, I WISH TO VOICE MY OBJECTION TO THIS CORRUPT PROCESS, WHICH IS OVERRIDING THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS THAT GUIDE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND REHABILITATION, IGNORING ESTABLISHED TEXAS AND US CEMETERY LAW AND SHUTTING OUT THE STRONG OPPOSITION OF IMPACTED GROUPS, INCLUDING THE TOP PLUM INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, AND THE ALAMO [01:20:01] DEFENDER'S DESCENDANTS, AS WELL AS SILENCING WIDESPREAD PUBLIC OPPOSITION. ALL THIS RUSHED HISTORICAL DESTRUCTION IS FAST TRACKED BECAUSE AS PREVIOUSLY STATED BY CITY G L O ALAMO TRUST AND ENDOWMENT FUND REPRESENTATIVES, ANY DELAYS THREATEN THE $450 MILLION GOLDEN CARROT CONTRIBUTION OF INVESTORS AND THE TRANSFER OF THE PHIL COLLINS ARTIFACTS COLLECTION. CLEARLY MONEY IS THE DRIVING VISION BEHIND RE-IMAGINING THE ALAMO. I COUNTER THAT MISGUIDED VISION WITH JUST ONE OF THE MANY STANDARDS BEING VIOLATED STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. NUMBER TWO, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A PROPERTY WILL BE RETAINED AND PRESERVED THE REMOVAL OF DISTINCTIVE MATERIALS OR ALTERATION OF FEATURE SPACES AND SPATIAL RELATIONSHIPS THAT CHARACTERIZE A PROPERTY WILL BE AVOIDED. FURTHERMORE, FROM A PENDING LAWSUIT, THE SENATE IS A PROTECTED LANDMARK UNDER THE ANTIQUITIES CODE OF TEXAS HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO A NATIONALLY REGISTERED HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE ALAMO PLAZA HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS DURING THE 1936 TEXAS CENTENNIAL AS AN OFFICIAL STATE HISTORIC LANDMARK. MARKER NUMBER 95. IN ADDITION, CONSIDER THE WORDS OF JERRY PATTERSON, FORMER TEXAS LAND COMMISSIONER FROM HIS AFFIDAVIT IN THE PENDING LAWSUIT, THE REASONS TO LEAVE THE ALAMO SENATE, WHERE, WHERE IT IS OUR DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE THAT THE AREA IS IN FACT A CEMETERY SUBJECT TO BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. THE FACT THAT MOVING SUCH A LARGE AND AGING STRUCTURE WOULD LIKELY CAUSE IRREPARABLE HARM. THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS OUTSIDE THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT IN THE AREA DESIGNATED AS FREE SPEECH OR PUBLIC DEMONSTRATION ZONE, UH, WHICH WILL SUBJECT IT TO POTENTIAL VANDALISM. NOTWITHSTANDING WHAT THE G L O AND CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CLAIM, TEXANS ARE OVERWHELMINGLY OPPOSED. K T SS A RADIO AND SAN ANTONIO CONDUCTED A POLL AND FOUND 97% OF THE RESPONDENTS OPPOSED THE MOVE. BUT FINALLY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, OF ALL THE SITE CHOSEN IN 1939 TO PLACE THE SENATE WAS PER THAT'S TIME. IS THAT TIME? YES MA'AM. TWO MINUTE WARNING WOULD BE GOOD. ANYWAY, THE SACRED, THE SENATE IS MORE SACRED NOW THAN THE CHAPEL, AS IT STANDS ON THE VERY SOIL THAT WAS BATHED BY THE BLOOD OF ALMOST ALL OF OUR HEROES. AND, UH, KINI STATES. THE MONUMENT AND CHAPEL COULD GO TOGETHER WELL AND ANSWERING THE GLORIFICATION PURPOSE FOR OUR HEROES. AND THEY SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO BE SEPARATED BY FEUDS OR STUPID OPPOSITION THAT SHOWS NO SINCERE INTEREST IN THE ADVANCEMENT OF TEXAS HISTORY AND MUCH NARROWNESS AND SELFISH INTEREST. IN CLOSING, I ASK YOU, WILL YOU CROSS, WILL YOU CROSS THE LINE TO DEFEND THE ALAMO OR WILL YOU FOLLOW THE MONEY? CONSIDER CAREFULLY, MA'AM. THAT IS YOUR TIME, YOUR HONOR, AND OUR HISTORY ARE AT STAKE. THANK YOU. UM, WE DON'T MEAN TO CUT ANYONE OFF, BUT WE DO NEED TO BE FAIR WITH THE ALLOTTED TIME. UM, WE CAN GIVE A 32ND WARNING IF THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE. UM, WE NORMALLY DON'T INTERRUPT, BUT WE CAN START DOING THAT. UM, LAMAR HENRY, UH, MR. HENRY RECEIVED SIX MINUTES. JOANNE HENRY HAS JED. HER TIME IS JOANNE HERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. HOW DO YOU DO? MY NAME IS LAMAR HENRY. I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE. UH, IN 2017, WE, OUR ORGANIZATION, UH, AND OTHER ORGANIZATION STARTED THE BATTLE AGAINST THE ALAMO MASTER PLAN, OR THEY REINVENT THE ALAMO PLAN. YOU MIGHT CALL IT MANY DO, BUT SPECIFICALLY THE REMOVAL OF THE SENATE TAF IS WHAT REALLY CONCERNS US. WE FIGHT FOR PRESERVATION OF TEXAS HISTORY, AND THAT'S ALL HISTORY. RATHER IT'S DEEMED GOOD OR BAD, DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. AND WE CONDEMN CENSORSHIP OF ANY KIND, WHETHER IT'S IN WRITTEN FORM OR IN THE FORM OF MONUMENTS, PLAQUES, ET CETERA. AND IF IT'S PROMOTED BY ANYONE FOR PURPOSES OF RACISM, BIGOTRY, OR POLITICS, HISTORY IS HISTORY. IT'S JUST ALL THERE IS TO IT. THE SENATOR REMOVALS A SPECIAL CASE IN, IN, UH, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS REMOVAL IS SIMPLY ONE OF CORPORATE GREED IN AN AGENDA TO [01:25:01] REWRITE HISTORY. SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL KNOW, SOMETHING ABOUT SIN ALL SAYS, SAYS HISTORIC UP HERE. AND YES, A FEW PEOPLE HAS EVEN TRIED TO EVEN MAKE THIS MONUMENT NARRATIVE INTO SOME KIND OF A RACIAL THING. IT DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL. BUT THE PLAN THAT THE ALAMO PLAN WAS NOT VOTED UPON BY THE PEOPLE OF TEXAS, IN FACT, IT'S, IT'S OPPOSED BY MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN TEXAS, AND IT'S NOT POPULAR WITH MOST PEOPLE. IT IS BEING IMPOSED ON TEXAS BY DECREE. ESSENTIALLY, THE PLAN, UH, WAS NOT SPREAD STATEWIDE LIKE, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT TRIED TO MAKE IT OUT TO SOUND LIKE, UH, TOO MANY PEC AND, BUT IT WAS SUGARCOATED TO COVER UP THE MORE DEVIOUS COMPONENTS. AND WE KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE WE AS AN ORGANIZATION, WERE AT EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS. WE LISTENED TO THIS STUFF. IT WAS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD. IF YOU HEARD WHAT THEY JUST TOLD YOU HERE, WE'VE HEARD THAT 50 TIMES. AND WHEN YOU TRY TO ASK THEM PERTINENT QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. IT'S JUST LIKE THEY'RE READING IT OUT OF A BOOK. THAT'S ALL IT IS. OKAY? MEMBERS, THE CTA BELONGS RIGHT WHERE IT'S PLACED ON THE BATTLEFIELD, NOT MOVE TO SOME FREE SPEECH ZONE OUTSIDE THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT WHERE ITS IMPORTANCE WILL BE DIMINISHED. THAT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CITIZEN OF CENSORSHIP. THE HISTORY OF THE ALAMO IS THE HISTORY OF THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO AND THE STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE. AND YOU AS AN HISTORIC REVIEW GROUP, SHOULD BE SUPPORTING THIS HISTORY AND NARRATIVE, WHICH IS KNOWN WORLDWIDE. I MIGHT ADD, YOU CAN ASK ANY FOREIGN PEOPLE COME HERE. THEY KNOW THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO, OKAY? BUT RATHER YOU SEEM TO BE WANTING TO PUSH A CORPORATE REMAKE OF THE ALAMO PLAZA INTO A PARK. IF YOU CAN'T DO THIS, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD JUST BE HONEST WITH TEXAS AND SHOULD DROP THE WORD HISTORIC OFF THE TITLE OF THIS COMMISSION IN, IN ALL THE FRENZY TO REMOVE THE CTA. WHY IS THERE NO TALK ABOUT A TIMETABLE TO REINSTALL THE CTA, EVEN IF IN FACT YOU REMOVE IT, WHICH WOULD BE A DISGRACE. THIS BRINGS TO MIND THE CASE OF THE TRAVIS PARK MONUMENT, WHICH, WHICH IS STILL NOT REINSTALLED, BY THE WAY. AND THE CITY COULDN'T EVEN MOVE THAT LITTLE MONUMENT WITHOUT BREAKING IT. AND THESE PEOPLE WANT US TO BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE SENATE HALF APART AND, AND FIX IT. DO ALL THIS STUFF, PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. I REALLY KIND OF DOUBT IT. AND SO DOES MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN TEXAS, OKAY? AND BY THE WAY, THE MONUMENT IN TRAVIS PARK WAS DONE IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT WHILE WE WERE HELPING TEXAS AFTER A HURRICANE. THE PEOPLE THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, DEVASTATED BY A HURRICANE. AND HERE THEY COME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST TAKE IT DOWN LIKE THIEVES IN THE NIGHT. IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN? UH, THINK ABOUT THAT. ALL THE HOURS THAT I'VE HEARD TALKING ABOUT THE JOYS, THE PARK BUILDING, ALL THIS STUFF ABOUT HOW MANY TREES AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AND WHAT KIND OF BRICKS YOU'RE GOING TO USE AND ALL THIS STUFF. BUT I NEVER HEARD ANY MENTION ABOUT THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO. NOT ONE, NO ONE EVER MENTIONED THAT. AND THAT'S ALL, IT'S ALL REALLY ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT THE CAF IS ABOUT. IT IS AN HONORED TOMB. IT'S NOT JUST A CURB STONE THAT YOU JUST MOVE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE MOVING A, A CEMETERY IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO AMOUNT TO. AND, UH, THE, THE BATTLEFIELD, FOR INSTANCE, ALL THIS TALK ABOUT HOW IT GONNA FIX THIS BATTLEFIELD, IT'S REALLY JUST GOING TO BE A BIG PARK, UH, ABOUT WHAT KIND OF BRICK YOU GOING TO COVER IT WITH. WHAT KIND OF BRICK COVERED THE ORIGINAL BATTLEFIELD? DID IT HAVE BRICK ON IT? I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE ARTIFICIAL. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORIGINAL BATTLEFIELD WAS LIKE HOW MANY PARK BENCHES SAT OUT THERE DURING THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO? I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY PARK BENCHES. YOU KNOW, THEY, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I DOUBT THAT THERE'S EVER GOING TO BE ANY BLOODSTAINS ANYWHERE OUT THERE. ARE THERE, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BIG CORPORATE GRAB IS ALL THIS IS. AND YOU PEOPLE OUGHT TO BE ABSOLUTELY ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. THAT'S TIME IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU CANNOT. THANK YOU, SIR. TIME. OKAY, [01:30:03] THANK YOU. BRANDON BURKHART THREE. HOW'S IT GOING? MY NAME IS BRANDON BURKHART, PRESIDENT OF THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE. UM, LIKE OUR VICE PRESIDENT SAID, WE WORK ON THE PRESERVATION OF TEXAS HISTORY. IT GOES FOR ALL HISTORY. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS WHEN YOU'RE, UH, EXPERTS WE'RE UP HERE TALKING, YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT MOVING THE SENATE TAP WITH PUTTING IT WITH REVERENCE AND SHADE AND ALL THAT OTHER GOOD STUFF, BUT THEY DIDN'T SAY ONE THING, BUT THEY'RE MOVING IT OFF OF THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT WHERE THE BLOOD OF THE DEFENDER SOAKED INTO THE GROUND. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO EVERY TEXAN, EVERY TEXAN THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO. AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, WE'VE BEEN UP TO EL PASO, TO AMARILLO, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CORPUS CHRISTI AND ALL THE WAY OUT TO HOUSTON BEAUMONT, WE'VE TALKED TO THOUSANDS OF, UPON THOUSANDS OF TEXANS THAT DON'T WANT THIS DONE. THE CITY COUNCIL THEMSELVES, I'VE RIDDEN, I'VE, UH, EXCUSE ME, I READ THEIR MESSAGES TO THE CITY COUNCILS FOR NEARLY FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS STRAIGHT AS CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, TO LET THEM KNOW THEY DON'T WANT THIS DONE. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS DONE IS THE CITY COUNCIL, GEORGE P. BUSH, AND MAYBE A FEW EXTRAS THAT ARE MAYBE ABBOTT SUPPORTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S IT, GUYS. THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD MATTER IS WHAT TEXANS THINK AND WHAT TEXANS WANT ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU TEXANS WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE ALAMO SYNTA. AND WE'VE BEEN OUT AT THE ALAMO SYNTA ALMOST EVERY DAY NOW, I GUESS FOR ABOUT A MONTH OR SO. AND WE'VE BEEN THERE SEVERAL DOZEN TIMES, A COUPLE SOME WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. WE TALK TO PEOPLE THAT COME UP THERE AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE, THE, THE ALAMO, THE EMPTY TOMB OF THE, OF THE ALAMO DEFENDERS. NOT ONE OF 'EM ONCE IT MOVED, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T RUN ACROSS ANYONE. WE WERE JUST, WE WERE SPEAKING TO A GUY FROM UK THE OTHER DAY AND HE SAID, IF YOU MOVE IT, YOU'RE FOOLISH. I MEAN, THAT'S, IT'S COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES INSTEAD OF BEING HERE INSIDE WHAT MATTERS. AND THAT'S TEXANS VOICE. AND YOU'RE HEARING FROM TEXANS RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE ALL BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS TO TELL YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS. WE HAVEN'T SEEN A PLAN OF PUTTING THE ALAMO SENATE TAFT BACK UP. WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AND THEY BREAK IT? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ENGINEERS THAT SAID THEY WILL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NOT GETTING FROM THIS PEOPLE OR FROM YOUR EXPERTS THAT ARE UP HERE. WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS. REVINIA LAUGHS AT US. YOU KNOW, HE, HE DOESN'T TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY. AND OF COURSE HE'S ABOUT TO GET THE TEXAS BOOT UP HIS REAR END TOO. IT'S 30 SECONDS. WE ARE, WE, WE'VE ABSOLUTELY HAD IT WITH THIS, THIS WHOLE STINKING DEAL WITH THE REIMAGINING ALAMO PLAN. WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE ALAMO CENTER TAP ITSELF. AND THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO KEEP. LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT. LEAVE IT WHERE THE BLOOD OF THE DEFENDERS SOAKED THE GROUND. IT'S NOT OBSCURING THE VIEW OF THE CHA UH, THE VIEW OF THE CHAPEL. IT'S NOT, UH, YES, IT NEEDS RESTORATION, BUT IT CAN BE DONE IN PLACE. AND THAT'S COMING FROM TEXAS A AND M ENGINEERS, THAT THAT'S COMING FROM TEXANS, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS FROM TEXAS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU PAUL. GE. UM, PAUL WILL RECEIVE, UM, NINE MINUTES. UM, MS. CHERYL AND ALAN GELE HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. ARE YOU FOLKS HERE? CAN I SEE YOUR HANDS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, MY NAME IS PAUL GELE. I RESIDE IN SPRING BRANCH AND I WAS BORN HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UH, IT IS VERY PROVIDENTIAL TO ME AT LEAST THAT TODAY IS DECEMBER 4TH, 1835. BENJAMIN MILAM ASKED A GROUP OF TEXAN WHO WILL GO WITH OLD BEN MILAM INTO SAN ANTONIO. AND I AM HAPPY TO STAND HERE TODAY TO SEE THE CROWD THAT HAS ATTENDED THIS MEETING ON THIS DAY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FOR THE LITTLE BIT OF BACKSTORY FOR YOU GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, THANK YOU AS WELL. UH, EACH BILL THAT, UH, PERTAINED TO THE ALAMOS PLAN, EVERYTHING FROM THE ALAMO SYNTA, WHICH KYLE BEATERMAN IS HERE WITH US TODAY. AND HE AUTHORED H HB 1836. UH, THAT BILL, ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER ONE DIED IN COMMITTEE. NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS PASSED, NOTHING WAS ADDRESSED. AND YET THIS GOVERNOR WANTS TO CLAIM THAT WE HAVE A 17% PASSAGE RATE ON BILLS. THEREFORE, IT WAS A SUCCESS. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A SHAM. THE ALAMO, THE ALAMO SENATOR, IF NOTHING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE COMPLETED AS DONE, THAT IT CAN BE. THEY SAY YES, THEY SHOW YOU PRETTY PICTURES, AND THEY SAY THAT WE CAN MOVE IT, WE CAN RELOCATE IT A LITTLE BIT. WE CAN CHANGE ITS DIRECTION BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT'S WHAT'S BEST. AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD THAT REPEATED ALREADY, THAT, UH, THE THOUGHTS OF A, A MAN, [01:35:01] AN ITALIAN IMMIGRANT WHO CAME HERE AND SPOKE NO ENGLISH, TO THEN GROW AND LEARN ART AND EVENTUALLY CREATE THE MAGNUM OPUS OF HIS CAREER, WHICH IS THE ALAMO SYNTA, EVEN GOING SO FAR AS TO, UH, CREATE HIS OWN HEADSTONE, WHICH IS IN SAN ANTONIO CEMETERY. I WONDER IF THERE WILL, A DAY WILL COME WHERE THAT TOO WILL NEED TO BE MOVED AND PUT AWAY BECAUSE THE MAN WHO CREATED SYNTA IS GOING TO BE SHAMED DOWN THE ROAD. AND THEN HIS HEADSTONE WILL HAVE TO BE MOVED ALONG WITH THE ALAMO DEFENDER. SYNTA. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE PART OF THIS PLAN THAT THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE PROPOSED THAT CANNOT BE DONE ON SITE. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE BIT OF IT, ASIDE FROM OF COURSE, TAKING IT DOWN AND MOVING IT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. BUT EVERYTHING, THE CLEANUP, THE REASSEMBLY, EVERYTHING INCORPORATING INTO THE PLAN CAN BE DONE WITH IT ON SITE, WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING. AND I MEAN, IF YOU'VE LISTENED TO THE NEWS, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE RADIO, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE NEWS ARTICLES THAT AREN'T FROM THE EXPRESS NEWS OR REBAR REPORT, BUT RATHER FROM A LITTLE BIT LESS SKEWED POINT OF VIEW, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT A LOT OF THOSE MEDIA GROUPS THAT TALK ABOUT THIS PLAN, THERE'S NEVER REALLY THAT'S A CHANGE. AND I'M GOING ON, SORRY. THERE'S NEVER, THERE'S NO REAL EVER EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN CHANGE THIS, THAT WE CAN AD ADHERE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CRYING ABOUT IT. THIS HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST HULLABALOO IN THIS PLAN, IS MOVING THE SYNAP. NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT PUTTING IN A CANNON OR TWO, OR A COUPLE STATUES, WHICH I MIGHT ADD. IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU WANNA MOVE THE MOST THIS GIANT MASSIVE MARBLE MONUMENT, BUT YET YOU'RE GONNA STICK STATUES ALL AROUND IT BEFOREHAND. NOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT Y'ALL, THAT'S THE ALAMO, BUT WHY WOULD YOU STICK A BUNCH OF STATUES AROUND SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA MOVE? IS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S INTENTIONS OF IT NOT RETURNING OR BECAUSE YOU DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION? I HEAR THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT BACK WHEN THESE GEN, THESE, THIS LADY AND THESE GENTLEMEN TESTIFIED, THE WORDS THINK AND UNUSUAL, UH, ALUMINUM FRAMES NOT USUALLY BEING USED, THAT IT'S NOT BEEN CARED FOR BY THE CITY. UH, IT MAY BE IN DISTRESS. UH, THEY TRUST THAT THEY CAN BE BUILT THE RIGHT WAY, FINAL DESIGN TO BE DETERMINED. NONE OF THIS IS ASSURED AND IT DOESN'T GIVE ANYONE WHO'S SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO IS DESCENDED FROM AN ALAMO DEFENDER. SQUIRE DAMON WENT WITH BEN MILAM IN 1835, AND THEN HE RETURNED AGAIN WHEN TRAVIS NEEDED MEN. HE WROTE A LETTER FOR THE IMMORTAL 32 TO RESPOND TO, ONLY BECAUSE NO OTHER REINFORCEMENTS CAME. EVERY MAN DIED BEHIND THAT WALLS. THOSE WALLS, SORRY. AND THE , THE ALAMO SYN RESIDES IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT GARRISON. IT'S PLACEMENT IS IMPERATIVE. AND IT WAS MADE KNOWN BY CUPINI THAT HE WANTED IT WHERE IT SITS NOW. SO TO MOVE IT AWAY IS, IT'S A DISHONOR, IT'S A DISGRACE. TO TURN IT AROUND IN A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION IS ALSO A DISHONOR AND DISGRACE. AND IT'S NOT JUST TO MY ANCESTOR, IT'S ALSO TO PEOPLE LIKE MARIA WHO CAN BE A LITTLE FIRECRACKER FROM TIME TO TIME. BUT SHE IS UPSET CONSIDERING THOSE ARE HER ANCESTORS UNDERNEATH THE SYNTA, AN AREA THAT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN 80 YEARS. THEREFORE, IF YOU MOVE THE CAPSTONE, YOU CAN DIG UNDERNEATH AND THEN LITTLE BLACK BOXES CAN LEAVE AGAIN AND BECOME AN ISSUE. ONLY WHEN PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT MAKE IT AN ISSUE. AND THEN PEOPLE IN THE ALAMO WILL SAY TWO MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD THAT, YEAH, WE DUG UP SOME BONES, BUT WE'RE GONNA ADMIT TO IT NOW TWO MONTHS LATER, BECAUSE SOMEONE FOUND OUT AND GOT MAD ABOUT IT, NOT BECAUSE WE WILLINGLY TOLD YOU WHEN IT HAPPENED. PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS, AND EVERY SINGLE ONE WAS A SHAM. PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT WENT HEARING IT FROM ME, BUT WANTING TO SEE FROM THEMSELVES WERE LEFT SITTING THERE AS IF THEY LEARNED NOTHING OR WERE BEING FED ALIGNED THAT WAS MISMANAGED AND PRESENTED POORLY AT BEST. WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE ANSWERING QUESTIONS ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS, THE ALAMO A MASTER PLAN. THIS IS NOT RE THIS IS NOT RESTORING AN ORIGINAL WASHINGTON MONUMENT. THIS IS RESTORING THE SHRINE TO TEXAS LIBERTY. PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE SHOULD KNOW, HAVE EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE ON IT IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD. EVERY LITTLE MINUTE DETAIL SHOULD BE KNOWN. AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE ANSWERING QUESTIONS AT THIS MEETING, WHO CAN'T GIVE YOU ONE, OR WHEN YOU HAVE COMMITTEE MEETINGS WHERE THE PEOPLE INVOLVED ARE SENDING SOMEONE IN THEIR STEAD LIKE KYLE BEATERMAN AND HIS COMPATRIOT, JONATHAN STICKLING CAN ATTEND TO THAT. PEOPLE ARE SENT TO TESTIFY ON CERTAIN ISSUES AND DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS GIVEN BY ELECTED OFFICIALS. WHAT DO THEN THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO TOOK THE EFFORT TOOK THE TIME TO ADDRESS WHAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS CARED ABOUT, GO BACK AND TELL THEM WHEN THEY DIDN'T GET ANY ANSWERS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE THE ANSWERS. THIS HAS BEEN BUILDING FOR TWO YEARS, AND THE ONLY REASON I EVER GOT INVOLVED WITH ANY KIND OF PO POLITICAL STRUCTURE IS BECAUSE OF A STATUE. A STATUE THAT I CONSIDER A HEADSTONE AND NOTHING MORE. TO ME, IT MEANS MORE DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ARE IN AMERICA AND IN TEXAS. AND AS A TEJANO, A NATIVE TEJANO, THERE ARE MANY MEN ON THAT, THAT SYN TAB WHO FELL AND DIED RIGHT ALONGSIDE MY ANCESTOR. THOSE BODIES WERE BURNED. THE NATIVE AMERICANS HAD THE LUXURY AND THE DIGNITY OF BEING BURIED AROUND IT. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THAT. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE EXHUMED, BUT THE ALAMO DEFENDERS WERE PILED UP LIKE TRASH AND BURNED OFF. LIKE THE BURN BAND [01:40:01] JUST GOT TOOKEN OFF OF BEXAR COUNTY. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE, THINK ABOUT YOUR ANCESTORS COMING HERE AND ESTABLISHING THE SECURITIES THAT WE ENJOY NOW AND THE WAYS THEIR BODIES WERE TREATED. AND THEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THIS MAN WHO CAME HERE AND BELIEVED IN THE AMERICAN DREAM AND WAS PROUD TO BECOME A TEXAN, WAS ENTRUSTED WITH DESIGNING THE MONUMENT TO THOSE MEN'S SACRIFICE, THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE. AND YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, AND HE ENJOYED THE BOTH THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE AND THE TEXAN WAY OF LIFE. AND THIS MAGNUM OPUS OF HIS CAREER IS THEIR PLACED IN THEIR HONOR. AND THEN TO JUST CONSIDER, OH, WELL, LET'S SUCK IT AWAY AROUND SOME PICNIC TABLES, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT STATUES IN PARKS ALL THE TIME AND THEN THEY GET DEFACE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. SO WHAT IS TO SAY THAT IF AFTER ALL THIS IS DONE, THE SECURITY OF THE SYNTA IS OKAY THAT IT CANDIDATE UP LIKE OTHER STATUES AROUND THE UNITED STATES THAT ARE DEFACED AND NO, NOT JUST CONFEDERATE STATUES, COLUMBUS MCKINLEY, THOMAS JEFFERSON. THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A DAY WHEN SOME IDIOT WILL ATTACK MARTIN LUTHER KING. THEY WILL ATTACK PEOPLE LIKE SOJOURNER TRUTH OR JOHN BROWN BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT IT WITH THE NARRATIVE. AND THE NARRATIVE OF THE ALAMO IS EVERY MAN, RACE, CREED, OR COLOR IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TAKING A STAND AGAINST TYRANNY, SANTA ANA WAS NO ONE TO BE HONORED. YOU WOULD NOT HONOR A DICTATOR. YOU WOULDN'T GO TO ITALY AND PRAISE MUSSOLINI, YOU WOULDN'T GO TO GERMANY AND PRAISE HITLER. SO WHY IN TEXAS OF ALL PLACES WOULD YOU PUT A STATUE IN EFFIGY OF SANTA ANA, KEEP IT TO A PAINTING, KEEP IT IN A ROOM WHERE WE HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND LOOK AT IT IN A CORNER. WE DON'T WANNA SEE HIS FACE IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. AND NONE OF THE TEJANA DEFENDERS WOULD'VE WANTED TO SEE IT EITHER, RIGHT? IT IT BOGGLES MY MIND THAT WE WOULD PUT IN PLACE OF THE SIN A STATUE TO SOMEONE LIKE SANTANA. I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. I KNOW THAT THESE, THESE MEETINGS AND THESE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN RAILROADED ACROSS THE BOARD. AND MY APPEAL IS TO YOU FOLKS, THAT THIS IS FOR ME A TEXAN ISSUE. IT IS A FAMILY ISSUE TO AN EXTENT BECAUSE I DO CONSIDER IT A HEADSTONE. BUT I ASK YOU SERIOUSLY TO CONSIDER STOPPING THIS PLAN. LET LET THESE THINGS PLAY OUT AS THEY ARE, BUT DO NOT GO AHEAD WITH THIS. DO NOT MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE ONCE IT'S BROKEN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN ENTIRE DIFFERENT SET OF ISSUE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE ACROSS TEXAS, ACROSS THE WORLD FOR THOSE THAT KNOW AND CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY WILL SAY THAT IT WAS BROKEN AND EVERYONE SPOKE ABOUT IT AND NOTHING WAS DONE. AND IT WAS LET TO GO AHEAD AND THEY RAN OUT OF MONEY BECAUSE IT WAS BROKEN OR THEY DIDN'T FORESEE THE FUTURE. STOP THIS. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SHAMEFUL, APPROPRIATE ROTATION. WHO ARE THEY TO DECIDE WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE ROT, APPROPRIATE ROTATION, THE PLACEMENT OF THE STATUE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO FIX IT, IF ALL THESE PROBLEMS ARE INHERENTLY THERE, THEN FIX IT IN SIGHT AND TWEAK THE PLAN JUST A LITTLE BIT SO YOU SAVE SOME MONEY TOO. ISN'T THERE $2.1 MILLION IN THIS CRAP? OR IS THAT AN ESTIMATE TOO? DO WE NOT KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST AT THE END OF THE DAY? THAT'S TIME. IS IT GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT? IS THAT TIME? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. DENISE HOMER. DENISE HOMER. OH, THERE, SHE'S GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M DENISE GUTIERREZ, HOMER AT 8 2 1 MASON STREET. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMISSION AND, UH, IN REFERENCE TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS WITHIN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE. SOME OF YOU KNOW ME AS JUST A, A HOMEOWNER, BUT I'M ALSO AN ARTIST. AND THE FACT THAT I'M SURE THAT MOST OF YOU HERE HAVE NEVER VISITED MR. COP'S STUDIO IN ALAMO HEIGHTS, OR I'M SORRY, AN OLMO PARK WILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO YOU AS A COMMISSION TO GO AND VISIT THE STUDIO WHERE THIS WAS CREATED. LOOK AT THE MOCKUPS, LOOK AT THE TOOLS, LOOK AT EVERYTHING. THE CRANES THAT ARE STILL EXISTENT RIGHT NOW. WHAT TOOK TO CREATE THE SYN HALF THE FACT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT TO SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT'S AMAZING FOR ME THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT, AND UNFORTUNATELY YOU ARE SITTING ON THE HOT SEAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR THIS. WE KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. YOU ARE SELECTED BY YOUR DISTRICT TO VOTE FOR THIS. LET IT GO TO CITY COUNCIL. LET THEM BE ON THE HOT SEAT. DON'T PUT YOUR NAMES ON THIS BECAUSE THE FACT IS, [01:45:01] WHEN I SAW THIS PROPOSAL, I HAVE OVER 30 YEARS AS A HISTORICAL PRESERVATIONIST FOR RELIGIOUS ARTIFACTS. MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T GO AROUND PROMOTING THAT. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF CLIMBING SCAFFOLDING TO WORK ON PLASTER, WORK ON CHURCHES IN CATHEDRALS. AND I'VE DONE IT. I WOULD NEVER ATTEMPT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WHEN I HEAR THE WORDS THAT YOU WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT AND YOU CAN'T ASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT YOU'LL HAVE DAMAGES TO THIS STATUE, THEN YOU'RE NOT READY TO DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS. BECAUSE EVEN THE ONES THAT YOU SHOWED ON THE SCREEN ARE NOT THE CALIBER OF MR. MR. COE'S WORK. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU CANNOT FIND THE SAME MARBLE, YOU CANNOT FIND THE SAME QUARRY. YOU CAN'T DO IT. I WOULD NEVER ATTEMPT THIS. AND WHEN I SAW THE PROPOSAL, I'M SORRY, BUT THE FIRST THING THAT CAME INTO MY MIND, AND IT, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LAUGH AT THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT CAME TO MY MIND WAS THE NORTH STAR MALL BOOTS 30 SECONDS. BECAUSE NOW I SEE THE CAF BEING A PHOTO OP FOR THE RIVER CENTER MALL. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE LOCATING IT. SO THE FACT REMAINS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PASS THIS. LET CITY COUNCIL DEAL WITH THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THEIR CHOICE. I MEXICANA AND AN AMERICAN, AND AS A TEXAN, I WOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE THE RESPECT OF YOUR INFORMATION TO MAKE THE WISE ONE. PLEASE RESPECT ART. IF NEW YORK CAN DO IT TIME WITH THE WORLD'S RIGHT CENTER, WHY CAN'T WE DO IT WITH SOMETHING THAT AS A BIRTH OF OUR HISTORY OF TEXAS? THANK YOU JEFF SAHI. SAHI. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, THANKS FOR, UH, HAVING THIS HEARING SO WE COULD SPEAK OUT. UM, I REPRESENT, I'M THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE JEFFERSON COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY. SIR, CAN YOU, UH, REDIRECT YOUR MICROPHONE? THANK YOU. I CAN. UM, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE, OUR PARTY. WE, WE VOTED LAST NIGHT TO OPPOSE ANY MOVE OF THE SENATE HALF AND OUR CONNECTING COUNTIES, ORANGE AND COUNT, AND HARDIN COUNTY ALSO ASKED ME TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM. UM, YOU WOULDN'T MOVE THE ETERNAL FLAME FROM THE, UM, PEARL HARBOR SITE OR FROM, UH, ANNAPOLIS. UM, YOU WOULDN'T MOVE THE PARTHENON. THIS IS OUR PARTHENON. YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE THINGS BECAUSE IT'S CONVENIENT RIGHT NOW. UM, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT, A LOT OF THE SPEAKING HERE, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LACK OF, THERE'S A LACK OF TRUST BUILT AMONG THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS. AND SO THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE RECLAIMED. AND I JUST LEARNED HERE FROM, FROM WATCHING THE ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN ALL DUE RESPECT, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HASN'T MAINTAINED THE, UM, THE SAN AND HAS ALLOWED IT TO BECOME EVEN MORE FRAGILE THAN IT IS. YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW IT'S GONNA BREAK IF YOU TRY AND MOVE IT. AND I WON'T, I WON'T REITERATE ALL THE THINGS PEOPLE SAID ABOUT MOVING THE, UH, SENATE TAP BECAUSE IT JUST SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. I MEAN, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE THE QUOTE, A LINE IN THE SAND COMES FROM. YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T MOVE. STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS WITH US SINCE JERRY PATTERSON WAS A LAND COMMISSIONER AND YOU KNOW, THE, EVEN THE WORLD HERITAGE DESIGNATION DOESN'T, DOESN'T BENEFIT THIS SITE. YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU, THERE'S ONLY ONE SCHOLARLY STUDY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF EUROPE ZURICH, AND IT SAYS THAT ONLY POOR COUNTRIES BENEFIT FROM HAVING THEIR WORLD HERITAGE SITES THAT DESIGNATION. SO WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM IN TEXAS. UH, I WON'T TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST REDUNDANT, YOU KNOW, DON'T MOVE THE SENATE TAF, PLEASE WAIT FOR THE, FOR THE COURT HEARINGS. AND EVERYONE KNOWS TEXANS DON'T WANT THIS. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. I HAVE A BARNES RANDY, RANDY BARNES, MR. CHAIRMAN, MY NAME'S RANDY BARNES. I LIVE AT 1 0 6 SATELLITE TERRACE. I'M THE NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVES REPATRIATION ACT COUNCIL OFFICER FOR, FOR THE ADE. I'M THE NRA OFFICER ADVISOR FOR THE PAYA INDIANS OF TEXAS AND OKLAHOMA. I'M ALSO A, A NRA RESEARCHER FOR THE CHE INDIANS. I'D LIKE TO GET THIS PUT ON YOUR SCREEN IF YOU PLEASE. [01:50:02] YOU KNOW, I WENT TO WAR EIGHT TOURS, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, DESERT STORM DESERT SHIELD, NORTH AFRICA. I'VE BEEN LAYING UP THERE IN MY HOSPITAL ROOM WATCHING ALL THIS TAKE PLACE. WHAT I JUST GAVE TO THIS GENTLEMAN IS GONNA EXPLAIN THE REST OF MY THING HERE. THE LINES THAT YOU SEE ON THAT MAP. THAT IS A 1760 MAP BY CETO OF THE ALAMO BEFORE CANARY ISLANDERS, BEFORE THE BATTLE OF 1836. IDEAL IN HISTORY BEFORE THE BATTLE OF 1836. THERE ARE THREE CAMP SANTOS ON THOSE VALERIO GROUNDS, AND THERE'S ONE CEMETERY IN 1805. THE REASON WHY NUMBER ONE IS SO BIG THAT COVERS THE EXECS, IT COVERS 10 ACRES, IS BECAUSE IN 1805, THROUGH PERMISSION OF THE GENERAL VICEROY OF THE SPANISH CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE ARCHDIOCESE OF SAN ANTONIO, THE PRIEST ASKED TO HAVE ALL THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES REMOVED FROM THE SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL, CAMP SANTO AND THE SPANISH FAMILIES MOVED FROM THEIR CEMETERY. THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN 1805 WERE MOVED TO VALETO TO THE OUTSIDE CAMPES SANTO. WHERE THE SYNAP SITS AT IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CAMPES SANTOS THAT PREDATES THE ALAMO BY 20 YEARS, BY THE TWO TAAL MISSIONS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE VETO. AND IF THE HISTORIC SOCIETY WOULD DONE THEIR HOMEWORK AND LOOKED AT THE DIARIES OF THE PRIEST, THEY STATE THAT IN 1650, THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT WERE BURIED AT BETO WERE THE ILLA TRIBAL NATIONS OF THE LAAN, COMANCHE AND CHE PAUA AND PAA 30 SECONDS. SO WHAT I'M SAYING HERE, I WENT OVER TO WAR TO PROTECT SITES ON THE UNITED NATIONS, UH, ARTICLES WHILE I WAS OVER THERE. TO ME, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T RIGHT. I CONTACTED PEOPLE I KNEW WITH THE UNITED NATIONS. THEY ARE NOW OPENING UP AN INVESTIGATION INTO THIS. THIS IS WHY THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE UNITED NATIONS UP HERE. AND IT HAS ALSO WENT TO THE UNITED STATES MISSIONS FOR THE UNITED STATES TO THE AMBASSADOR KELLY CRAFT, IN WHICH I HAVE THE LETTER HERE. THEY'VE ALREADY GAVE A LEGAL SUMMARIZATION THAT THE TREATIES AND THE LEGAL AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, SPANISH ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE STILL STANDING AND THE LEGAL, LEGAL AGREEMENTS TO PROTECT, SIR, THAT THE CAP, SANTOS, LET ME FINISH THIS. EVERYBODY HERE HAS HAD THEIR SAY, I'M GONNA LET YOU HAVE IT. AS A VETERAN, I FOUGHT AGAINST ISIS FOR THE DESTRUCTION AGAINST ARCHEOLOGICAL ANTHROPOLOGICAL SITES, AL-QAEDA AND THE TALIBAN, TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, TO ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO THIS. AND IF YOU ALLOW IT, YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE PEOPLE THAT I JUST DESCRIBED. AND I CLOSE WITH THIS AALA LAKE OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, SUSAN DANSLER. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S SUSAN DANSLER. I'M A SEVENTH GENERATION TEXAN. DURING THE 86 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THERE WAS A HEARING ON A BILL THAT WOULD'VE PROTECTED THE ALAMO SENATE HALF, ALSO KNOWN AS THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE. DURING THE HEARING, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY, UH, WAS, UH, WAS ASKED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE MONEY ALLOTTED YEARLY TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE SENATE. HALF THIS REPRESENTATIVE COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ACCORDING TO, AND THIS WAS IN 2015. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT, I'M SURE SOME OF US CAN GET IT TO YOU. ACCORDING TO A STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT IN STONE CONSERVATION, UM, DONE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IN 2015, THERE HAS BEEN NO MAINTENANCE FOR OVER 80 YEARS. SO WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THAT MONEY? EVIDENTLY WE'VE GOT A TRANSPARENCY ISSUE HERE. I CAN TELL FROM MANY OF MY, UH, FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES HERE IN THE ROOM. THE EXECUTIVE STUDY OF THE CAF INDIC INDICATES THAT THIS TREASURED SPIRIT OF SACRIFICES SUFFERING FROM LONG DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. [01:55:02] IN OTHER WORDS, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS NEGLECTED THE CAF AND WE'RE NOW SUPPOSED TO JUDGE TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO REMOVE THE SENATE. HALF THE ASSESSMENT REPORT INDICATES FAILED MORTAR. I'M IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS, I'VE READ THE REPORT. IT'S A VERY HARD MORTAR. THE EARTH SHIFTS ROCK SHIFTS. SO BECAUSE OF IMPROPER INSTALLATION OF SEALANTS IN MORTARS, IT'S DONE MORE DAMAGE TO THE MARBLE. THE ASSESSMENT ESTIMATES 140,000 TO $160,000 TO REPAIR IT IN PLACE. AND Y'ALL ARE WANTING TO SOAK THE TAXPAYERS FOR MILLIONS. THE PROBABILITY OF CATASTROPHIC GET THAT CATASTROPHIC DAMAGE FROM MOVING THIS MONUMENT. MONUMENT DEDICATED TO THOSE THAT GAVE THEIR LIFE FOR TEXAS INDEPENDENCE IS ENORMOUS. 30 SECONDS IS THE REASON FOR MOVING THE SENATE HALF POLITICAL IS THAT FOR ERASING OUR TEXAS HISTORY, THE MARKER IS SACRED TO TEXANS. IT MAY RESIDE IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT IT LIVES IN OUR HEARTS. IT IS INSULTING TO IMAGINE THAT EVEN BEING TOUCHED. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF SOMEONE APPROACHED YOU INSTEAD, THAT YOUR LOVED ONE'S GRAVE MARKER WAS OFFENSIVE OR IT WAS IN THE WAY AND IT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED? THAT'S TIME I STAND HERE TODAY WITH MY BELOVED FRIENDS THAT ONLY HAVE THIS MONUMENT AS A PLACE OF REMEMBRANCE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT FOUGHT AND DIED FOR TEXAS INDEPENDENCE. THANK Y'ALL. KYLE BIERMAN. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AND UM, AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS KYLE BEATERMAN. I'M A STATE REPRESENTATIVE FROM FREDERICKSBURG DISTRICT 73. SO RIGHT NEXT TO SAN ANTONIO. I SIT LIKE YOU DO SO MANY TIMES AT THE CAPITOL LISTENING TO THINGS LIKE THIS HEARINGS. UM, SO I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS, UM, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT YOURSELF FILLED WITH ALL THE INFORMATION FROM YOUR BOSSES, THE CITY. AND SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR MIND PRETTY MUCH MADE UP. AND HOPEFULLY TODAY YOU WILL LISTEN. I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR ME. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TELLING ME BEFORE MY HEARINGS. OUR PROBLEM AT THE CAPITOL IS IT'S ALL POLITICS. SO I'M HEARING IT FROM, UH, OTHER OUTSIDE FORCES. BUT YOU ALL CAN MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SAY YES RIGHT AWAY. YOU CAN DELAY. YOU CAN SAY, WELL, MAYBE THERE'S SOME THINGS BEING SAID HERE TODAY THAT MAY MAKE ME WANT TO CONSIDER SOME OTHER OPTIONS. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ELECTED. UH, THEY MAY FIRE YOU AND NOT LET YOU BE REPRESENTING ANYMORE. BUT THIS IS THE GREATEST HISTORY SPOT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, ALMOST THE WORLD. WHEN PEOPLE COME TO SAN ANTONIO AND THEY COME TO THE AAM, WHICH IS THE NUMBER ONE ATTRACTION, THEY DON'T COME FOR ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT FOR THE BATTLE AND THE DEFENDERS AND WHAT HAPPENED. AND THE FACT THAT TEXAS WON OUR INDEPENDENCE, EVEN THOUGH WE LOST THAT BATTLE. AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE DEFENDERS WERE NOT JUST KILLED. THEY WERE MURDERED. THEY WERE MURDERED, AND THEY KNEW THEY WERE GONNA GET MURDERED. THEY KNEW THEY WERE GONNA DIE. THEY KNEW THEY WERE NEVER HAD ANY CHANCE, AND THEY STAYED. THAT'S WHAT MAKES TEXAS, I STOOD IN FRONT OF THOSE CAPITOL AT THE LEGISLATURE ON THE HOUSE FLOOR, AND I COULD NOT GET OUR SPEAKER. I COULDN'T GET OUR GOVERNOR, I COULDN'T GET OUR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR TO EVEN CONSIDER SLOWING DOWN WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE ON THE SENATE. TAF. THAT'S A SHAME. THAT'S A SHAME FOR TEXAS. I TOLD MY FELLOW LEGISLATORS, YOUR DECISION TO NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE SENATE ACT IS GONNA GO DOWN IN HISTORY. YOUR NAMES ARE GONNA GO DOWN IN HISTORY FOR NOT PROTECTING THE DEFENDERS, FOR NOT PROTECTING WHAT MADE TEXAS WHAT IT IS THAT SACRED GROUND. 30 SECONDS. SAME WITH YOU ALL. SAME WITH YOU ALL. I COULDN'T LET IT HAPPEN. I FEEL SORRY FOR MY FELLOW LEGISLATORS. I JUST HOPE YOU'LL LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, SLOW IT DOWN AND RECONSIDER THE MOVING OF THE SENATE CHAIR. THERE'S NO REASON THEY CAN'T GIVE YOU A REASON [02:00:01] WHY TO MOVE IT. THEY CANNOT GIVE YOU A REASON. I'VE ASKED EVERYBODY FROM YOUR, FROM THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TO, UM, TO OUR OWN, UM, G L O COMMISSIONER GEORGE P. BUSH. THEY CAN'T GIMME AN ANSWER. THEY JUST WANT IT DONE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT REMEMBER THAT YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO PROTECT THE SENATE HALF AND I JUST PRAY YOU WILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CINDY GSEL GAVE YOU ALL A PACKET. HOPEFULLY ALL HAVE ONE. MY NAME IS CINDY GASKELL. I LIVE IN THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS AND TRAVELED HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, ALONG WITH THE POLITICIANS INVOLVED WITH THE ALAMO PLAN, ARE ASKING THE H D R C FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BEGIN THEIR EFFORTS TO MOVE THE SYNTA OFF THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT. MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THERE IS NOTHING APPROPRIATE ABOUT MOVING THE CAF FROM ITS PRESENT LOCATION. THERE'S NO QUESTION THE CAF NEEDS RESTORATION THAT'S BEEN ALLOWED TO DETERIORATE OVER THE YEARS, BUT THIS NEEDED RESTORATION SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN THE CAFS CURRENT LOCATION. THE CAF IS MY ANCESTORS' GRAVESTONE. IT'S THE ONLY PLACE I MAY GO TO PAY MY RESPECTS TO MY ALAMO HERO, MY FAMILY MEMBER. HE HAS NO OTHER GRAVESTONE THAT, UM, AND THE ONLY REMNANTS OF HIS BODY AND THE BLOOD, HIS BLOOD. SOME SACRIFICE FOR TEXAS LAY AT OR NEAR THIS TEXAS VERSION OF THE TOMB OF THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER. THE APPLICATION SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, DESIGN, INTENT AND INTERPRETATION. YET NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL IS OFFERED TO SUPPORT THIS INTENT. THE ANDERS ANSWERS TO DESIGN INTENT MAY BE FOUND IN POMPEO COP'S AUTOBIOGRAPHY FROM DAWN TO SUNSET. HAVE YOU READ IT? THE SYNTA WAS DESIGNED AND PLACED WITH INTENT TO BE ON THE ALAMO GROUNDS WHERE THE ALAMO HERO'S BLOOD SOAKED INTO THE SACRED SOIL. IT IS WHERE THE SCULPTOR POMPEO KINI INSISTED IT BE CONSTRUCTED. AND WHERE THE MAYOR OF SAN ANTONIO, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE STATE BOARD OF CONTROL DECIDED IT SHOULD BE DURING THE DESIGN PROCESS DURING THE 1930S, SAN ANTONIO'S ALREADY DECIDED THIS, THE CITA LOCATION LONG AGO. WHY IS INTENT BEING IGNORED? WHY IS HISTORY BEING IGNORED? UM, CHARISMA ALREADY READ SOME QUOTES, SO I'M GONNA SKIP OVER THAT. AND IT'S IN THE PAPER THAT YOU HAVE. UM, KINI WAS REPULSED BY THE IDEA OF THE SYNAP BEING LOCATED IN THE LOCATION OF THE BANDSTAND WAS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA PUT IT. KINI WROTE, THEY WERE HALF SATISFIED TO HAVE A SYNAP ERECTED OUTSIDE OF THE SACRED GROUND ON THE SPOT CALLED THE BANDSTAND. BUT IN FACT, THE DIRTY COMFORT STATION, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONVERTED INTO A TOMB OF OUR HEROES. THE VERY THOUGHT WAS REPULSIVE TO ME. AND WITH PERMISSION OF THE BOARD OF CONTROL, I APPEARED BEFORE THE MAYOR, THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, AND HAD THE LOCATION CHANGED. WHERE IT IS NOW THE CENTER OF THE BATTLEFIELD WHERE OUR HERO'S BLOOD STAINED THAT SACRED SPOT, IT'S IN THE BOOK. I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO READ THIS BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION WITHIN THE ALAMO DOCUMENT ATTACHED. THE REQUEST FROM THE CITY EXISTS A WEAK ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY THE DESIGN INTENT. TWO POSTCARDS, 30 SECONDS. THAT'S IT. YOU GOTTA LOOK IN THE BOOK TO FIND WHAT THE DESIGN INTENT IS. UM, H C R C MEMBERS, IT'S YOUR JOB TO PRESERVE HISTORY. YOU ALONE HAVE THE POWER TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING. I IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE DON'T DESTROY HISTORY. PLEASE DON'T IGNORE THE TRUE INTENT OF THE SYNAP IN ITS SACRED LOCATION. PLEASE REJECT THIS REQUEST FOR THE CERTIFICATE APPRO APPROPRIATENESS UNTIL IT IS REWRITTEN. SUCH THE SYNTA NEVER MOVES ONE INCH FROM ITS PRESENT LOCATION. PLEASE READ THIS BOOK AND THE, THE ALAMO DEFENDERS OR THE ALAMO PLAN PEOPLE THAT WERE HIRED, IT'S OBVIOUS THEY HAVEN'T READ THIS 'CAUSE THEY, THEY MENTIONED KINI AND THEY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE FACTS, RIGHT? SO GO GET THE BOOK AND FIND OUT THE TRUE HISTORY. THANK YOU, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. GOOD AFTERNOON, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND. I'M DOING THIS FOR THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE RESTORATION OF THE SAN IN ALAMO PLAZA, THE CITY, THE SOCIETY IS ON RECORD OPPOSING RELOCATION OF THE SENATE. HALF IN THE LETTER SENT TO THE MAYOR IN OCTOBER, 2017, WHICH STATES THE SENATE HALF HAS BEEN A PART OF ALAMO PLAZA SINCE 1940. AND COMMEMORATES THE MOST SIGNIFICANT EVENT IN THE LONG HISTORY OF THE ALAMO. THE DEFEAT OF THE ALAMO DEFENDERS ON MARCH THE SIXTH, 1836. [02:05:02] IT IS AN APPROPRIATE MONUMENT TO THE MEMORY OF THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR TEXAS. IT SHOULD REMAIN AS A MARKER OF THE BATTLEFIELD WHERE THEY LOST THEIR LIVES. FURTHER, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY SUPPORTS THE REQUEST OF THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGARDING THE SUBMITTAL OF HARDSCAPE MATERIAL SAMPLES AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR APPROVAL. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU WESTON MARTINEZ. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I'M WESTON MARTINEZ, RESIDENT OF BEXAR COUNTY PRECINCT THREE AND FORMER TEXAS REAL ESTATE COMMISSIONER FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR SEVEN YEARS ALMOST. UM, I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY THANKING YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFICULT TASK TO BE HERE AND I CAN TELL THAT ALL OF Y'ALL ARE LISTENING AND ALL OF Y'ALL ARE THINKING AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DEAL WITH POLITICAL FIGHTS, WHETHER THEY'RE THE ALAMO OR WHETHER THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, YOUR POLITICAL CAREER USUALLY IS NOT FACED WITH SUCH A CHALLENGING VOTE. AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN YOUR POLITICAL CAREER. I SEE A COUPLE OF, UH, FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE. MAYBE A, MAYBE A MAYOR, MAYBE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER. I SEE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THEIR CAREER AND YOU'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. THE ALAMO AND THE SYNTA MEET ALL FOUR CRITERIA NECESSARY TO, FOR THE DESIGNATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE ALAMO. AS A HISTORICAL SITE, ALL FOUR CAPI REALLY SERVES AS THE MICHELANGELO OF TEXAS. WOULD YOU MOVE DAVID'S STATUE? WOULD YOU MOVE THE SISTINE CHAPEL? WOULD YOU CONSIDER RELOCATING THE EIFFEL TOWER? NO, YOU WOULDN'T. YOU WOULDN'T BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY Y'ALL ARE GOOD PEOPLE, BUT YOU'RE STUCK WITH A VOTE THAT SOMEONE ELSE DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE. YOU NEED TO PASS ON THIS VOTE AND ALLOW THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THAT PUTS YOU HERE. AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING. LET 'EM DO IT BECAUSE LEMME TELL YOU WHAT, AFTER YOU DO THIS, LAWYERS FOR EVERY DECISION YOU HAVE COMING FORWARD, WHEN THEY WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING AND YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO CHANGE IT, THEY'RE GONNA USE THIS AS CASE STUDY LAW FOR DECISIONS YOU'VE MADE FOR WHY YOU NEED TO LET THEM DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR ELSE YOU'RE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST THEM. HIM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THE CONSEQUENCES, THINK ABOUT THIS. SENT ANNA, AFTER THEY MURDERED EVERYBODY IN THE ALAMO, HE SENT HIS NUMBER ONE GENERAL BACK AND HE TOLD THEM TO DESTROY THE REMAINS OF THE ALAMO. AND THERE WERE FAR GREATER FORCES THAN THEY COULD EVEN PROVIDE THAT STOPPED THEM FROM DOING THAT. INDIRECTLY, YOU WILL BE COMPLETING THE WORK THAT SANTA ANA WANTED TO FINISH. YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER DOING THAT. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HISTORICAL, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF US WOULD SAY, YOU'RE QUASI INNOCENT BYSTANDERS, YOU'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE. BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE A SHOW PEOPLE STAND UP OF. HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS WILL REMEMBER THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THIS VOTE? JOIN ME. IF YOU'LL REMEMBER EVERYBODY THAT MAKES THIS VOTE, THE CITIZENS ARE SPEAKING TO YOU. LET THIS PASS YOU BY AND ALLOW THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO EARN THEIR PAY AND TAKE A VOTE ON THIS AND LET THE PEOPLE VOTE. THAT'S TIME THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU EMILY DOHERTY. WELL, I SAID GOOD AFTERNOON, BUT IT'S NOW GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS EMILY DOHERTY. I LIVE AT ONE 20 CLAREMONT, UH, IN DISTRICT TWO. I LIVE THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS IN DISTRICT TWO. AND FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS I'VE WORKED DOWNTOWN AS A HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGE OPERATOR. UM, SO I'M HERE ON MAYBE MORE OF A PERSONAL NOTE. UM, I'M REPRESENTING MY 19 COWORKERS AND OR TWO CARRIAGE COMPANIES, H R H AND YELLOW ROSE CARRIAGES WHO WORK OUT OF THE SAME BUILDING. AND THERE ARE THREE OTHER COMPANIES AND UP TO ADDITIONAL 30 OTHER DRIVERS IN DOWNTOWN ONLY FOR THE HORSE CARRIAGES, UM, THAT ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLY IMPACTED BY THE CHANGES MADE, UM, IN AND AROUND THE ALAMO. BY CLOSING THE TWO ROADS THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY 100% OF OUR PARKING THAT WE [02:10:01] USE ON A DAILY BASIS, UM, TO OUR, UH, DESIGNATED CARRIAGE STANDS. AND DURING THE DAY THEY ARE TOUR BUS STANDS. SO YOU'RE TAKING TWO INDUSTRIES AND YOU ARE COMPLETELY ELIMINATING THEM. AND ALL OF THE BUSINESS THAT WE DO IN THE ALAMO FOR MY PERSONAL, UM, UH, UH, ECONOMIC SITUATION, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY 50 TO 75% OF MY INCOME. THIS IS MY FULL-TIME JOB. AND YOU, AND THIS IS FOR 1919. OTHER PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH ME, THE TOUR BUSES HAVE 38 EMPLOYEES. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING. THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA WORK. UM, AND THAT'S JUST BY CLOSING THOSE TWO ROADS THAT ARE PROPOSED. THAT'S NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT CLOSING ALAMO PLAZA, WHICH WE ALSO USE ON A DAILY BASIS. UM, IN ADDITION TO THE PERSONAL AND UH, E ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE. I OPPOSE THE CHANGES BECAUSE I THINK MOVING THIS IN A TAF IS A NEEDLESS WASTE OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY. UM, PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY STATED ALL OF THE REVERENCE AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS A GRAVE SITE AND A GRAVESTONE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND I ECHO THOSE. UM, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WHEN THE TEAM WAS, UH, REFERENCING, UH, DRIVING UP ALAMO STREET AND SEEING THE SENATE TAF, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT ANYMORE. WE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, IN ADDITION, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, MAKING IT A MORE REVERENCE, REVERENCE SPOT, BEING ABLE TO SIT AND ENJOY IT AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THE BENCHES, THE TREES, UM, JUST SITTING AND LOOKING. YOU CAN ALREADY DO THAT. YOU CAN ALREADY DO THAT. IT'S 30 SECONDS. WE CAN INSTALL MORE BENCHES. WE CAN PUT 'EM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. LIKE YOU CAN SAVE A LOT OF MONEY BY NOT DOING THIS. UM, THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN RUMORS THAT IT WILL BE REMOVED, UH, STARTING DECEMBER 27TH OR 28TH. I THINK THAT IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST TIME ANYONE COULD HAVE PICKED FOR THIS. THAT IS THE BUSIEST WEEK IN SAN ANTONIO BETWEEN DECEMBER 25TH AND JANUARY 1ST. THAT IS WHEN THE MOST PEOPLE COME. THAT IS WHEN I DO THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF SALES IN THE ENTIRE YEAR. AND THAT'S TIME YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CLOSING THE PLAZA TO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT WHY NOT WAIT, WAIT A WEEK IF YOU ARE GONNA GO THROUGH WITH THIS, WHICH I HIGHLY, MA'AM, THAT'S YOUR TIME. OPPOSE WAIT UNTIL JANUARY 6TH. THANK YOU ALL. RAMON GARZA. GOOD EVENING. WELL, MY NAME IS RAMON GARZA. I RESIDE AT 2 0 6 IKE STREET, SANTON, TEXAS. WELL, I'M A MEMBER OF THIS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE AND JUST LIKE BRANDON LAMAR SAID, WE'RE PROTECTIONS OF ALL THINGS TEXAS. AND UH, I WANT TO SAY, START OFF BY SAYING DON'T MOVE THE CENTER TAF. YOU'VE HEARD FROM OTHER GROUPS BESIDES MY OURS. YOU HEARD FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT CONTINUE SAYING THE SAME THING. WE DO NOT WANT THE CENTER TAF TO BE MOVED. EVERYBODY HAS THE REASONS AND THEY ALL MOUNT TO THE SAME THING. THERE'S SOMETHING I WANT WHAT I HEARD EARLIER FROM THESE FOLKS THAT I WANT TO, I WANNA FOCUS ON, AND THAT'S THE WORD, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. THEY STATE THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE CENTER TYPE BY MOVING IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S NOT FRIENDLY ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW? WHAT IS, YOU CAN STILL ENJOY THE CENTER TAF, JUST LIKE WE WERE JUST TOLD RIGHT NOW BY SITTING AROUND THERE. YOU KNOW THAT, AND THAT'S A THING THAT, THAT PAST WEEK, LIKE BRANDON SAID, WE WERE THERE, INTERVIEWED SOME FOLKS BEFORE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CURRENT MAYOR VOTED TO GO AHEAD WITH THE REIMAGINE THE ALAMO PLAN. WE SPENT, THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM. FOUR SPENT A WEEK INTERVIEWING THE VISITORS, THE PEOPLE ENJOYING THE ALIMONY IN THE ALA IN THE CENTER T THEY WERE DIFFERENT PART FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF TEXAS, FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE GLOBE. THEY ALL SAID THE SAME THING. I GOT A LIST OF JUST ONE DAY AND I WROTE DOWN THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE VISITED THE CENTER TAF. I PRESENTED THAT TO THE, TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND IT'S ALL THE SAME THING. DON'T MOVE THE CENTER TAF, LEAVE IT ALONE. LIKE BRANDON SAID, WE TALKED [02:15:01] TO A GENERAL FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM THIS PAST WEEK, AND HE SAID THE SAME THING. YOU KNOW, THE THING IS THIS, I CHALLENGE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF Y'ALL OUT HERE. TAKE AN HOUR OR TWO, GO OUT THERE AND SIT AND JUST SIT AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT VISIT THE CENTER TAF. YOU KNOW, IT IT, I LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT THEY'RE 30 SECONDS ON THE, ON THE WALL. I MEAN, ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE CENTER TAF, YOU OUGHT TO SEE THE FACES. THESE PEOPLE ARE SO PROUD THAT THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SHARE. AND THEN WHEN WE MENTIONED IT, WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO, THEY HAVE HURT IN THEIR EYES. AND THAT'S NOT, NO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT MAKING THAT UP. YOU NEED TO GO SEE IT. WE SEE PEOPLE WALKING WITH THEIR GRANDKIDS, WITH THEIR CHILDREN, AND TALKING ABOUT THEIR FAMILY HISTORY. THAT'S ON THE, ON THE CTA. THAT'S A PROUD, THAT'S VERY PROUD TO LISTEN TO THOSE PEOPLE AND DON DON'T EVEN KNOW 'EM. THAT'S TIME. DON'T MOVE THE CTA. DON'T GO FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JOHN MATHIS. JOHN MATHIS WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DON DIXON. MY NAME IS JOHN, NO MATHIS. I LIVE AT 3 35 KAREN LANE, 7 8 2 0 9. MY ANCESTRY GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CABELLO FAMILY WHO FOUNDED THIS TOWN. BUT WE SHOWED UP LATE, AS YOU'VE HEARD. AND EVERYTHING I PLAN TO SAY HAS BEEN ALREADY OCCURRED BY EVERYONE ELSE. SO JOHN DEBBIE SMITH IS ALSO MY ANCESTOR. HE TOOK TRAVIS'S LETTER, NOT TO SEND SAM HOUSTON, BUT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. YOU ARE PLAYING WITH THAT HISTORY. BUT I HAVE NO ANIMOSITY TO ANY OF YOU BECAUSE I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT FALSE CONSENSUS. DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOW ABOUT THE DELPHI TECHNIQUE? ANYBODY HERE? YEP. DELPHI TECHNIQUE. OKAY, THERE'S A GOOD ONE. A BAD ONE. THE GOOD ONE WAS MADE BY THE ROUND RAN FOUNDATION TO RAND COMPANY TO DESIGN COMPUTERS AND WORK WITH TEAMS OF DESIGNER ENGINEERS. POLITICIANS GOT A HOLD OF IT AND INVERTED IT, SUBVERTED IT, AND PERVERTED IT AS A WAY TO ACHIEVE FALSE CONSENSUS WHERE THERE WOULD BE NO AGREEMENT IF ANY ONE OF THE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING KNEW WHAT YOU WERE REALLY UP TO. OKAY? OH, , DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT. BUT THAT ALSO PLAYS INTO SOMEBODY WHO CAME ON LATER OR BECAME POPULAR LATER. SO ALINSKY, WE ALL KNOW WHAT SO ALINSKY'S THING IS HE DEDICATED HIS BOOK TO LUCIFER LADI DA. HIS BASIC THEORIES ARE NEVER EVEN THINK OF OPERA OFFERING REPRESENTATION, NEVER TALK ISSUES, ALWAYS DEMONIZE THE OPPOSITION. BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN IS NOT PUBLISHED. THERE'S A HIDDEN PREFIX IN SUFFIX THROUGH EVERY ONE OF HIS 13 RULES FOR RADICALS TO GAIN POWER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE VOTERS TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REALLY UP TO. TAKE DELPHI. TAKE SALINSKY. IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THIS. THREE WORDS. JUST THREE WORDS. YOU CAN REMEMBER IT EASILY. DISTORTION, I'M SORRY. UM, PROJECTION, DISTORTION AND DENIAL OF THE FIRST TWO 30 SECONDS. I DON'T THINK ANY OF Y'ALL ARE DOING THAT. IN FACT, I THINK YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT. BUT THAT'S WHAT'S BEING DONE TO US, DONE TO US. WE'VE HAD NO REPRESENTATION, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO PAY THE TAXES. THIS CAUSED RELU THE FIRST AMERICAN REVOLUTION. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE STUCK WITH THIS. WE ALL ALREADY KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE GONNA DECIDE BECAUSE YOU'RE BEING TOLD TO DO THIS THROUGH FALSE CONSENSUS, PROJECTION, DISTORTION, AND DENIAL. DON'T BEHAVE THAT WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND ANOTHER THING THAT'S TIME. WOULD EVERYBODY THAT AGREES WITH WHAT I JUST SAID, STAND UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WITH RESPECT. I CONCLUDE MY STATEMENTS. JOHN DIXON. UH, CAN I START? THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS DON DIXON. [02:20:01] I FORMED A COMPANY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO BACK IN 1962. AND WE WERE AN INTERNATIONAL COMPANY. SO I'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS IN SAN ANTONIO A LONG, LONG TIME. AND BEFORE I FORGET, I HAD, I RESIDE AT 2 0 6 MORNINGSIDE DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, 7 8 2 0 9. LEMME TELL YOU WHERE I COME FROM. MY WIFE WAS A DAUGHTER OF THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS. UH, SHE'S VOLUNTEERED FOR THE ALAMO 40 YEARS. SHE WAS ON THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE FOR THE AUTOMO FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE YOU'RE ALL, YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT THE BREAKFAST TABLE, AT THE DINNER TABLE. SO I HAVE FOLLOWED THIS PROCESS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. AND LET ME TELL YOU WHERE I SEE IT FROM THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE, ALL THE HIST, ALL THE HEARINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TO, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE LEGISLATURE, THE HEARINGS THAT I GO THERE TAKES AT ITS WORST. AND PLEASE, DO YOU ALL THINK YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY? YOU MAY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED IT. DO YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO TAKE THE AUTHORITY AND TRY TO CHANGE HISTORY? YOU'VE HEARD THE HISTORY. THEY READ IT OUT OF THE BOOKS. THIS IS ACCURATE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT. THE ALAMO SYN WAS DECIDED TO BE PLACED WHERE IT IS FOR REASONS GIVEN, BUT IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE MOVED. THE FOOTINGS AS, AS THEY'VE SAID, THE FOOTINGS GO DOWN 22 FEET. THE REPORT, THE ENGINEERING REPORT THAT THE PESS MADE IN 2014 SAID TO DISASSEMBLE IS RISKY. AND IT'S HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE VERY SKILLED OF HANDS. SO THERE IS REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, BUT THINK OF THE COST, THE RISK, AND THE DAMAGE THAT POSSIBLY BE DONE BY DISASSEMBLING THE WHOLE THING, WHICH IS UNNECESSARY. UNNECESSARY OBVIOUSLY. AND MOVING IT AND REASSEMBLING IT. I, I THOUGHT OF AS I WAS SITTING THERE, IF I WERE IN YOUR POSITION, I PROBABLY HAD CONVERSATIONS MAYBE WITH MY BOSS THAT, THAT HAVE ASSIGNED ME TO THIS DUTY. AND THEY MIGHT HAVE TOLD YOU HOW TO VOTE OR HOW THEY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO VOTE, BUT I'LL SAY WHAT SOME OF THE OTHERS HAVE SAID. THIS IS A VERY WEIGHTED DECISION. THAT'S TIME. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO POSTPONE THIS DECISION YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE SUPPORTING THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED. YOU GIVE MY TIME. HE, HE SIGNED UP AND HE'LL GIVE YOU MY HE'LL. GIVE ME ADDITIONAL TIME. SIR, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? GARY ANN. GARY ANTHONY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GARY. SO THIS, IT GETS THE POLITICS OUT OF IT A LITTLE BIT. YOU GET ENGINEERS, WE DEAL WITH FACTS, WE DEAL WITH TRUTH. TAKE THE POLITICS OUT OF IT AND DEAL WITH THE FACTS AND THE TRUTH. THERE'S A MOTION HERE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. TEXANS ARE PROUD OF TEXAS. THEY'RE PROUD OF THE ALAMO. THEY'RE PROUD OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT WE DID HERE IN, IN SECURING OUR INDEPENDENCE. THEY'RE PROUD OF THAT CENTER TAFT, WHICH DEDICATES THE MEMORY OF THOSE DEFENDERS FIGHTING FOR TEXAS INDEPENDENCE. SO I WANNA ENCOURAGE EACH ONE OF YOU NOT ONLY LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE. THEY'RE NOT POLITICIANS, THEY'RE THE REAL PEOPLE. THEY DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA. THIS ALAMO THING HAS BEEN, I'VE HEARD THIS THING FROM THE BEGINNING. THERE'S PEOPLE BEEN PUSHING FOR THIS THING FOR YEARS. IT IS AN AGENDA. FORGET ABOUT THAT. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING FOR THAT SAN ANTONIO. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING FOR TEXAS. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING FOR THE ALAMO AND THE SENATE DESK. SO YOU'RE ASSIGNED TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY. DO NOT VOTE FOR IT. THAT WE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE ASK US NOT TO VOTE ON THIS. THERE'S A LAWSUIT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD WAIT ON THAT. BUT IN OTHER WORDS, DON'T VOTE FOR IT AT ANY TIME. ESPECIALLY NOT TODAY. THANK [02:25:01] YOU SO MUCH. I WOULD URGE YOU, URGE YOU LISTEN TO YOU WHAT YOUR HEART HAS TO SAY. WE THINK WITH OUR EMOTION AND OUR WITH OUR HEART. THINK ABOUT THAT. DO NOT VOTE TO MOVE THIS SENATE. HALF. LEAVE IT EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS FOR COST, FOR DAMAGE, FOR, FOR WHERE IT SHOULD BE. LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS LEFT. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S DESIRE FOR A BREAK OR DO WE WANT TO FINISH SPEAKERS AND THEN BREAK BEFORE DISCUSSION. LET'S GO AHEAD AND FINISH. OKAY. UM, JACK FINGER, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS JACK M. FINGER INCIDENT. YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT A TIME CLOCK UP HERE LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL DOES. SO PEOPLE CAN SEE JUST HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAS RIGHT NOW. THEY, UH, TESTIFIERS HAVE, HAVE AN EXCUSE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE LEFT HERE. AND SPEAKING OF THOSE WHO HAVE TESTIFIED TODAY, I KNOW I'VE BEEN COUNTING 2020 PEOPLE HAVE SAID THIS IS A BAD IDEA. ABSOLUTELY ZERO HAVE SAID THEY SUPPORT IT. YOU TELL ME HOW MANY PERSONS SAYING THIS IS A BAD IDEA AND THE REASONS FOR IT. YOU'RE GIVING, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF TRUTH HERE TODAY. HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE BEFORE YOU FINALLY SAY, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DO THIS THING TODAY? HUH? HOW MANY DOES IT TAKE? I LOOK FORWARD TO A NUMBER. YEAH. THE, UH, WHAT IS THE POINT OF MOVING THE SENATE? HALF? WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE POINT OF MOVING A CAF A FEW HUNDRED FEET, NO LESS. PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE ALAMO UHHUH. SO YOU MOVE IT A FEW HUNDRED FEET TO THE SOUTH AND THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT FAR ENOUGH A, A TOMBSTONE FOR THOSE WHO DIED. THE BRAVE HEROES WHO DIED THERE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NEAR THE ALAMO. YES. NOT, NOT A HALF A BLOCK AWAY WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T SEE IT. AND YES, ACCORDING TO THE ILLUSTRATIONS, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S A BUILDING IN THE WAY. YOU CAN'T SEE IT. THE LINE OF SIGHT IN THE AREA YOU'RE PROPOSING, QUITE FRANKLY. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT. YOU HAVE ABOUT TWO OR THREE PLACES. WELL, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BOTH BE THERE BECAUSE OF THE DISPUTES WITH THE GRAVE SITES. HUH? . YEAH. THE, AND MOVING IT. NOW NOBODY'S DISPUTING THE NEED FOR REPAIRS. WE KNOW IT, BUT JUST THE SAME THING, THE SAME POINT. I DON'T LIKE THE CITY NEGLECTING DOING DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT THAT. AND CONSEQUENTLY, I DON'T LIKE BEING BLACKMAILED BY MY CITY OFFICIALS BECAUSE OF THEIR NEGLECT TO, TO FIX THIS THING. SO YES. SO SO YOU, SO YOU TRY TO MOVE IT, IT SAYS IT NEEDS REPAIRS. YOU WANT TO MAKE IT EVEN REINFORCE IT. BUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU TRY TO MOVE IT? AND WHAT, WHAT IF THE DARN THING FALLS APART? WHAT IF IT BREAKS? WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? YOUR OWN PEOPLE HERE AT THIS PODIUM SAID THEY, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT SURPRISES TO THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH HERE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY, SHE SAID THE PRIZES. YEAH. UH, IN SECONDS. TREES, YOU SAY THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TREES, BUT I NOTICED IN YOUR ILLUSTRATION YOU HAD TREES LINING IT IN THE, IN THE PROPOSED AREA, HUH? WELL, IF THERE, IF THERE ARE TOO MANY TREES AROUND IT, WELL CUT 'EM DOWN. DOGONE IT, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER TO THAT LIGHTING IS LIGHTING TO TOO MUCH. WELL, THAT'S TIME. TAKE AWAY THE LIGHTING. YES. I THINK YOU GET THE POINT. THANK YOU. UH, MATTHEW PENA. HI GUYS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I LIKE YOURSELF, HAVE SERVED AS A BOARD MEMBER ON THE TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY BOARD. SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS HERE. SEE FOR OTHERS, UM, THAT DON'T KNOW. I ACTUALLY RAN FOR TEXAS LAND COMMISSION AS A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE. AND IN FACT, I RECEIVED AND BROKE SEVERAL RECORDS, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. UM, I GOT TO MEET PEOPLE ALL OVER THE STATE OF THE TEXAS. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS PLAN, JUST IN GENERAL, [02:30:01] IS A NO GO. OKAY? YOU ARE RISKING MORE THINGS THAN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF. AND I WILL SAY THAT ONCE YOU CHANGE IT AND RAPIDLY, YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT BACK. IT JUST WON'T. BUT BEING THAT CANDIDATE, BEING ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE, UH, LET'S BE CLEAR. I'VE THOSE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT CAME TO ME, I HAVE RECEIVED MORE VOTES THAN EITHER RON NURNBERG OR GREG BHA. THAT'S A FACT. OKAY? SO I WILL SAY THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR MYSELF, I AM RELATED TO JOSE ANTONIO MACHACA, WHO'S THE THIRD MAYOR OF SAN ANTONIO. AND FOR ME, HE WAS A TEJANO HERE IN THE LAND WHO INVITED THESE PEOPLE, THESE TEXAN, TO COME OVER HERE AND HELP HIM DEFEND HIMSELF AGAINST SANTA ANA. BECAUSE YEARS EARLIER AT THE BATTLE OF MEDINA, SANTA ANA SLAUGHTERED NOT ONLY THE FIGHTERS, BUT THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS. THAT'S WHO THIS PLAN IS HONORING. THAT'S THE CHANGE OF IT. SEE, I'M A POLITICAL SCIENTIST BY TRADE. I BELIEVE IN PHILOSOPHY. I LOVE GETTING THAT UNDERSTANDING. I LOVE TEACHING PEOPLE ABOUT IT. SEE, AS APPOINTED OFFICIALS, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND ABILITY TO ACT OUT JUSTICE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. SEE, THE THING IS, IS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A VEIL OF, OF IGNORANCE. WE DON'T KNOW WHO WE'RE REPRESENTING. THERE ARE PEOPLE YOU ARE REPRESENTING RIGHT NOW THAT YOU HAVE NEVER, EVER MET. THE THING IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING COUNTER TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE, YOU'RE LITERALLY VIOLATING JUSTICE. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE AMERICAN SYSTEM. SEE, WE SAY VERY CLEARLY THAT EXPRESSION IS THE NUMBER ONE THING. WE PUT DEFENSE AS THE SECOND. WHY? BECAUSE EXPRESSION IS SO IMPORTANT. AND THIS ARTWORK IS A FORM OF THAT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING TOO, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THE VERY FIRST INTEGRATED BUILDING INSIDE THE UNITED STATES. 30 SECONDS IS ACROSS LITERALLY FROM ONE, A VERY HARD REPRESENTATION OF FREEDOM AND LIBERTY FOR ALL PEOPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR MYSELF, FOR THE PEOPLE HERE, I THINK WE'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE BELIEVE IN THIS PROCESS. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN REPRESENT US. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. AND I'M HOPING YOU'LL TAKE THE CHANCE AND OPPORTUNITY TO ACT OUT THAT JUSTICE TODAY. THANK YOU. WALTER W WORD, WARD WEST. OH, GOOD EVENING, FOLKS. UH, MY NAME'S WALTER WEST. I'M, UH, FROM DOGWOOD LANE IN SPLENDOR, TEXAS. UM, THERE WE GO. UH, WALTER W. WEST FROM, UM, DOGWOOD LANES SPLENDOR, TEXAS. UM, I WOULD TELL YOU THAT'S 242 MILES AWAY, BUT THAT WOULD BE INCORRECT. UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY FROM WHERE MY OFFICE WAS AT 1950 HARRY WBA DRIVE, WHICH IS, UH, 7 8 2 3 4, THAT OVERLOOKS THE FORT SAM HOUSTON CEMETERY. I WORKED THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS IN THE BUILDING, SERVED MY COUNTRY AS A UNITED STATES ARMY SOLDIER. I HAVE TRAVELED THIS WORLD. WHEN PEOPLE WOULD COME UP TO ME FROM A FOREIGN COUNTRIES THAT WE TRAINED AND WE TRAINED THEIR FIGHTERS AND WE FOUGHT IN THEIR WARS, THEY WOULD, UH, SPECIFICALLY ASK ME, WHERE AM I FROM? WHERE A UNITED STATES ARMY UNIFORM WITH ALL THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE? WHERE AM I FROM? AND I WOULD SAY TEXAS. AND THE FIRST THING THEY'D ALWAYS ASK ME ABOUT IS J R EWING, THE ALAMO, AND HOW MANY STEERS I'VE GOT WORLDWIDE. UM, ESSENTIALLY YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE ARGUMENTS TODAY. YOU FOLKS ARE THE ONES WHO WERE STEWARDS OF HISTORY. I'VE BEEN TO NORMANDY. I'VE STOOD ON THOSE BEACHES. I'VE TALKED TO THE FRENCH. I'VE TALKED TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STEWARDS OF OUR HISTORY, OUR SOLDIERS THAT DIED OVER THERE, THE ALAMO DEFENDERS, AND THEN THE TRIBES OF PEOPLE BEFORE THEM DON'T HAVE A VOICE ANYMORE. THEY DON'T HAVE A COUNTRY. TEXAS BECAME A STATE. AMERICA, AMERICA'S WATCHING OTHER COUNTRIES. THEY ARE STEWARDS OF OUR SOLDIERS. WE FOUGHT IN THEIR WARS. AND ALL WE EVER ASKED FOR WAS ENOUGH LAND TO BURY OUR DEAD. THE DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE TODAY AS A SOLDIER, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU JUST TO TABLE THOSE DECISIONS JUST FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THERE'S LAWSUITS, THERE'S POLITICS, THERE'S ALL THE HEMLOCK THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING. BUT AT THE END OF [02:35:01] THE DAY, THERE'S BODIES AND THERE'S BLOOD ON THOSE GROUNDS. AND WHENEVER I GO TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES, LIKE THE ONES WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, UH, 30 SECONDS, THE PAST, UH, 10 YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN ERADICATED OF THEIR HISTORY BECAUSE OF THE TERRORISTS THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER. I THINK ABOUT OUR HISTORY HERE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. YOU FOLKS ARE THE STEWARDS OF OUR HISTORY. YOU'RE NOT TERRORISTS. I CAME 242 PLUS MILES JUST TO ASK YOU TO HOLD OFF A LITTLE WHILE LONGER. LET THE COURSE DECIDE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU LAKE MEYER. GOOD EVENING. I'M LUKE MEYER. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT I CURRENTLY LIVE IN, LIVE IN SPRING BRANCH. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I'M FROM TEXAS. AND I THINK THE, THE REASON THIS PROJECT DOESN'T PASS THE SNIFF TEST IS THERE'S A FEELING THAT THE ALAMOS IS Y'ALL'S TO REIMAGINE. IT'S REALLY NOT SAN ANTONIO'S, IT'S ALL OF TEXAS, RIGHT? SO I, IF YOU FOLLOWED THE TEXT, DO CONSPIRACY TO TURN OUR HIGHWAYS INTO LIKE TOLL ROADS FOR THE LAST 10 OR 12 YEARS, IT WAS THE SAME THING. THEY IMAGINED THAT IT WAS THEIRS TO REIMAGINE. THEY MADE ALL THESE PROBLEMS AND SAID THEY WERE GONNA SOLVE THEM BY TAKING OUR ROADS AND TURNING 'EM INTO TOLL ROADS. AND THIS IS THE SAME THING. WE HEARD EARLIER TESTIMONY THAT THE CITY NEGLECTED THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS MONUMENT, AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA SOLVE IT BY DOING ALL THESE THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY NECESSARY, RIGHT? SO WE CREATED THE PROBLEM AND NOW WE'RE OFFERING THE SOLUTION. AND THE SOLUTION IS TO REIMAGINE THE ALAMO. BUT YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE, THE ALAMO'S ALREADY BEEN REIMAGINED. HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE ALAMO LIBRARY LATELY? ANYBODY? HAVE YOU READ IT? IT CHARACTERIZES THE TEXANS AS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. GO READ IT FOR YOURSELF. OKAY? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CREATING PEDESTRIAN SPACES OR PRESERVING HISTORY OR ANYTHING. THIS IS A PRO MEXICAN AGENDA. FRANKLY, I, I'M DISGUSTED IF IT, IS IT TRUE THAT THERE'S A SANTA ANA STATUE PLANNED? THAT MAN WAS AN ANIMAL. THERE WAS A WAR AT THE ALAMO BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OCCUPYING IT THOUGHT THEY OWNED IT IN MEXICO, THOUGHT THEY OWNED IT. OKAY? WHAT THEY DID WAS ILLEGAL. THAT'S WHY THERE WAS A BATTLE THERE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT BELONGS TO TEXAS. 'CAUSE WE WON BY VOTING NO. HERE YOU COULD SHOW US THAT THIS ALAMO IS STILL BELONGING TO TEXAS AND NOT SOME, YOU KNOW, CORRUPTED CORPORATE ENTITY, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT THIS IS. OKAY? I, I CAME HERE FOR THE CIRCUS. ACTUALLY, I CAME HERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO SEE WHAT CLOWN WOULD SHOW UP HERE AND TRY TO DEFEND THIS INDEFENSIBLE SACRILEGE. AND I'M DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE IT CAME A LONG WAY. I'M A BUSY MAN, AND THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON THAT HASN'T BEEN PAID TO DO SO THAT SUPPORTS THIS AGENDA. AMEN. NOW I'M LOOKING IN Y'ALL'S EYES AND I CAN TELL YOU'RE LISTENING. SOME OF YOU'RE PRETENDING TO LISTEN, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOOD PEOPLE. OKAY? I WOULDN'T WANT YOUR JOB. AND I SYMPATHIZE, AND I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. OKAY? BUT THIS IS A VERY 30 SECONDS, THANK YOU. VERY IMPORTANT DECISION. YOU CAN TAKE THE NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE. OKAY? YOU CAN MAKE THE VOTE THAT MAKES NOTHING HAPPEN TODAY AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DEAL WITH IT, OKAY? 'CAUSE I PROMISE YOU THAT SAN WAS PAID FOR BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE PEOPLE HERE. NOT SAN ANTONIO, NOT THE SAN ANTONIO GOVERNMENT. OKAY? IT'S OURS, NOT YOURS. THANK YOU, SANDRA WHITTEN. HEY, Y'ALL. MY NAME IS SANDRA WHITTEN. I CAME FROM LAREDO, TEXAS ORIGINALLY. I'M FROM VIRGINIA. THE ALAMO DEFENDERS CAME FROM ALL OVER THE GREAT COUNTRY TO DEFEND THE ALAMO AS A VIRGINIAN, AS A STRONG REVOLUTIONIST. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS MORE THAT IS AT STAKE THAN JUST MOVING A GRAVE AS TEXANS, WHICH I HAVE BEEN FOR OVER 10 YEARS NOW. I'M A PROUD TEXAN. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUR WAR CRY AS TEXANS. WE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING DEEPER THAN JUST A BATTLEFIELD. WE BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF THE ALAMO. THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL USED AS OUR WAR CRY A DAY. COME AND TAKE IT. REMEMBER THE ALAMO, BY MOVING THE SYNTA, WE'RE DESECRATING THE VERY HEART AND SOUL OF TEXAS. WE'RE, WE'RE DISINTEGRATING THE VERY HEART AND SOUL OF THE UNITED STATES. BECAUSE AS A GIRL WHO GREW UP IN VIRGINIA, [02:40:01] THE FIRST THING I SAID WHEN I MOVED TO TEXAS IS I HAVE TO SEE THE ALAMO. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DID. I TAUGHT MY KIDS ABOUT HISTORY AT THE ALAMO. I TAUGHT MY KIDS ABOUT THE, THE HEART AND SOUL OF TEXAS. AT THE ALAMO, AT THE CENO. HALF EVERY TIME WE HAVE FAMILY COME TO VISIT FROM ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY, THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE WE TAKE THEM. AND WE TALK ABOUT THE HORRORS THAT OUR ALAMO DEFENDERS FACED THAT HORRENDOUS AT THAT HORRENDOUS TIME. AND ABOUT HOW EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN DEAD, THEY WERE PULLED TO THIS SPOT AND BURNED ALIVE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CREATING SOMETHING NEW. THIS IS ABOUT PRESERVING WHAT WE HAVE, ABOUT OUR HISTORY, ABOUT OUR TRUTH, ABOUT OUR PASSION AS TEXANS. IF WE ERASE AND ERADICATE AND MOVE HISTORY, WHAT ARE WE LEAVING FOR OUR KIDS? ARE WE TEACHING THEM THAT IT'S OKAY TO, TO REPLACE THINGS WHEN THEY FALL APART? OR SHOULD WE TELL THEM WE NEED TO RESTORE THINGS WHEN THEY FALL APART AND SHOW THEM THAT THERE IS AN INTEGRITY IN THAT? THIS IS NOT ABOUT CREATING SOMETHING NEW. WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE SOMETHING NEW. WE NEED TO RESTORE AND HOLD TRUE TO WHAT WE HAVE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THIS, THIS MOMENT, THIS SYNAP, THE, THE VERY CRY AND THE HEART AND SOUL OF TEXAS TO WHERE IT BELONGS IS ITS PLACE IN HISTORY WITHOUT BEING TOUCHED 30 SECONDS WITHOUT AN AGENDA, BUT WITH NOTHING BUT THE HEART AND SOUL OF EVERY SINGLE TEXAN. THANK YOU GUYS. GEORGE RODRIGUEZ. GEORGE RODRIGUEZ. UM, 1 6, 4, 2, 3 LEDGE POINT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE I CAN, UH, ADD TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT YOU FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHAT POSITION YOU'RE IN, OKAY? BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU ARE LOOKING AT US VERY, VERY SKEPTICALLY, WHICH IS ALL RIGHT, WHICH IS OKAY, NO PROBLEM. BUT I WANT YOU TO REALIZE SOMETHING. YOU SEE THESE LITTLE THINGS RIGHT HERE. THESE LITTLE GADGETS, THESE PRESERVE HISTORY, POLITICAL HISTORY, POLITICAL HISTORY. AND JUST LIKE WESTIN SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO, SOME OF YOU HAVE BIGGER ASPIRATIONS, WHICH IS FINE, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU ARE HEARING FROM US, YOU ARE HEARING FROM 28. BECAUSE I THINK TIM IS GONNA SPEAK ON, IT'S ALSO GONNA ADD HIS VOICE TO THIS. BUT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM 28 PEOPLE, THE ONLY FOLKS THAT HAVE SPOKEN IN FAVOR, IN FAVOR OF THIS THING ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE MAKING MONEY OFF OF IT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE SPOKEN ON BEHALF. ON THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT, YOU'VE GOT THE MEDIA HERE, WHAT LITTLE THERE IS, AND THE MEDIA, MY FRIENDS, IS IN STEP IN LOCKSTEP WITH THE PROGRESSIVISM OF DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO OF MAKING CHANGES THAT ARE NOT REALLY NECESSARY. WHO WANT TO SPEND MORE OF OUR POP MONEY, OF OUR TAX MONEY. LIKE WE DON'T PAY ENOUGH ALREADY. YOU GUYS WERE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL FOLKS THAT WE ELECTED. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT US. AT LEAST GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO THAT ONE SEC. TO MR. TREVINO. OKAY. TO MR. CISNEROS, TO, UH, JOAQUIN AND JULIAN. OKAY. GO BACK TO THEM AND TELL THEM THAT YOU AT LEAST HAVE HEARD FROM US, THE CHAMBER WANTS A DOWNTOWN PARK. FINE AND DANDY. LET THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE MONEY PAY FOR IT. 'CAUSE I'M TIRED OF PAYING FOR DOWNTOWN FOR THE DOWN FOR, WHAT WAS IT CALLED? THE CENTURY OF DOWNTOWN. THE DECADE OF DOWNTOWN. I'M TIRED OF PAYING FOR IT, YOU KNOW. HEY, HOW ABOUT PAYING FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD? OH, I'M SORRY. I LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE, SO I'M SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. 30 SECONDS, RIGHT? MY FRIENDS, WE ARE TAKING NOTE. WE WILL NOT FORGET. WE WILL NOT FORGET, I GUARANTEE. AND WHAT I REALLY RECOMMEND TO ALL OF YOU IS THAT YOU TELL THE FOLKS AT CITY HALL AND THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY NEED TO PUT THIS OFF. IN FACT, CANCEL IT. IF NOT, PUT IT OFF. THEY SHOULD LET US VOTE ON IT. THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. LET THE PUBLIC VOTE. THANK YOU. DR. TIM WESLEY. [02:45:03] OH, DR. TIM WESLEY FROM THE CITY OF SELMA. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE AS A KID FROM THE STATE OF LOUISIANA, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I HEARD ABOUT WAS THE ALAMO. AND SO AS A SOLDIER IN THE US ARMY, SEVEN YEARS ACTIVE DUTY, ONE IN THE TEXAS NATIONAL GUARD LAST DUTY STATION, BEEN FORT SAM HOUSTON. THE FIRST THING, WHO ARE, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO SEE WAS THE ALAMO. WHY? BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF THE ALAMO. AND I JUST WANTED TO COME JUST TO REMIND YOU. I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD IT BEFORE, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU ONE MORE TIME. THE HISTORY WHEREBY FEBRUARY 23RD, 1836, A MEXICAN FORCE THAT NUMBERED IN THE THOUSANDS CAME AND THEY CAME INTO A BATTLE WHERE WE HAD 200 DEFENDERS THAT SAID, NOT ON OUR WATCH, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE TOLD BY SAM HOUSTON TO GO AHEAD AND ABANDON THAT LOCATION BECAUSE OF LACK OF TROOPS, THEY SAID, NOT ON OUR WATCH. IT IS HISTORY LIKE THAT, WHICH WE READ ABOUT. HOW IMPORTANT IS IT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT 183 YEARS LATER, WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT, NOT ON OUR WATCH. 200 MEN FOR 13 DAYS DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BATTLE. WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ALL ON THE LINE. AND I NEED YOU ALL TO IMAGINE FOR A MOMENT. IN 13 DAYS, THOSE BODIES THAT WERE DROPPING AROUND THEM, PEOPLE THAT THEY LOVE, PEOPLE THEY FOUGHT NEXT TO, THOSE BODIES BEGAN TO DECOMPOSE. THEY SMELLED DEATH. THEY SAW DEATH. BUT FOR 13 DAYS, THEY SAID, WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE. YOU ALL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FIGHT WITH EVERYTHING. YOU HAVE TO ENSURE THAT HISTORY IS NOT REWRITTEN TO MOVE. THE SINT IS GONNA BE A DESECRATION TO A MONUMENT OF ALL THESE LIVES THAT WAS LOST AND THE BLOOD THAT WAS SHED. AMEN. I'LL CLOSE OUT BY SIMPLY SAYING, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO REWRITE A HISTORY. THAT'S ALL READY, BEEN WRITTEN. DO NOT MOVE THE SENATOR. DO NOT MOVE IT. DO NOT MOVE IT. HASHTAG NOT ON MY WATCH. THAT WAS OUR LAST SPEAKER. UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO, UH, HAVING THE APPLICANT BACK AND, UM, HAVING THEM RESPOND AND THEN QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BREAK. THAT'S FINE. UM, IT IS, UH, 5 58 AND FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, WE ARE BEGINNING DISCUSSIONS. TIME IS SIX OH EIGHT. UM, WE WILL CALL THE APPLICANT AND THE DESIGN TEAM BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, I WANNA APOLOGIZE TO ALL OF OUR, UM, APPLICANTS THAT HAVE ITEMS FOLLOWING THIS ONE. UM, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT HOW LONG THE WAIT'S GONNA BE. AND SO WE DO APOLOGIZE THAT YOU'VE HAD TO SPEND SOME OF YOUR EVENING WAITING. UM, WE ARE NOT POSTPONING ANY CASES, SO WE WILL GET TO YOU TONIGHT IF YOU'RE ON THE AGENDA. UM, THIS WAS BRIEFLY MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT I DO NEED TO REMIND EVERYONE ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT ARE UP FOR CONSIDERATION TODAY. UM, SO IN OCTOBER OF 2018, SO LAST YEAR, ABOUT THIS TIME, FINAL APPROVAL TO RELOCATE THE SENATE, TAF WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE HT R C, UM, AND CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT AS WELL. UM, SO THE IDEA OF OF RELOCATING IS NOT UP FOR CONSIDERATION. CONSIDERATION TODAY. IT'S THE DESIGN AND, UM, SPECIFICS ABOUT THE RELOCATION THAT ARE ON CONSIDER FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, AS WELL AS THE STREET AND HARDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO THE APPLICANT'S PLEASE COME BACK UP. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL START THIS. UM, A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE ACTUAL RESTORATION AND CARE OF THE SYNTA. COULD YOU BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT THE PLANS ARE, WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS, UH, WHAT'S, UM, ANTICIPATED AT THIS TIME FOR THAT WORK? UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE SCHEDULE. MY RESPONSIBILITY IS SPECIFICALLY THE DESIGN. OUR INTENTION IS, UH, AS PART OF A BROADER PROJECT TEAM THAT A SKILLED CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AND SKILLED SUBCONTRACTORS WOULD BE RETAINED. ONE OF WHICH OF COURSE WOULD BE A, UH, PROPERLY ACCREDITED AND EXPERIENCED CONSERVATOR, UH, PROPERLY, UH, EXPERIENCED, UH, RIGGING EXPERTS, [02:50:01] UH, SKILLED MASONRY, UH, RESTORATION MASONS, AND THEN A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER FOLKS TO FILL IN OTHER THINGS. AND WHAT WE WOULD END UP DOING IS, UH, CAREFULLY DISMANTLING THE PIECES, KEEPING THEM ALL ON SITE, UH, WITH THE IDEA OF KEEPING THEM IN PUBLIC VIEW. GIVEN THAT THIS IS SUCH A HIGH PROFILE PROJECT, THE INTENT WOULD NOT TO BE TO PUT THEM ON A FLAT BAG TRUCK AND JUST DRIVE OFF IN THE NIGHT, UH, AND THEN BRING THEM BACK AT SOME POINT. AND THE CONSERVATION TREATMENTS WOULD BE VALIDATED BY, UH, THE STATE-OF-THE-ART AND CONSERVATION SCIENCE RANGING ANYWHERE FROM, UNFORTUNATELY, IF THERE WAS TOO MUCH MATERIAL LOSS, THERE WOULD BE, UH, REPLICA MATERIALS HARVESTED FROM THE, UH, ORIGINAL QUARRY, WHICH WE'VE HAD SOME BRIEF CONTACT WITH ALREADY. UM, AND IN CONSULTATION WITH THE PAPINI FAMILY. UH, SECOND THING WOULD BE TO, UH, LIMIT THE USE OF ANY SORT OF REPAIR MORTARS. THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT WE WANT AS LONG, LONG SERVICE LIFE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE REPAIRS, BUT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. UH, FOR THINGS LIKE, UH, THE, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, MORTARS AND SEALANTS AND THINGS. OUR GOAL WILL BE TO USE, UH, NATURAL HYDRATED LIME MORTARS OR SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND MORE SOFT TO WORK WITH THE MARBLE RATHER THAN IN KEEPING WITH THE MORE PORTLAND CEMENT-BASED MORTAR SYSTEM THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN USED. UH, WE DO HAVE MORE INVESTIGATION TO DO ONCE WE GET HANDS ONTO THE MONUMENT. WE'VE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING NON-DESTRUCTIVELY FROM A DISTANCE, BUT THE, THE DOCUMENTATION AND RECORDS HAVE BEEN QUITE THOROUGH. AND SO OUR RESPONSE TO ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE QUALITY OR THE, UH, THE CAPABILITY OF THE TEAM WILL BASICALLY BE MANAGED BY JUST A VERY OPEN, TRANSPARENT PROCESS USING THE BEST, UH, STATE-OF-THE-ART INDUSTRY STANDARDS WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF QUALITY CONTROL AND QUALITY ASSURANCE. SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT. THREE OR FOUR STAINLESS STEEL, UH, GOOD QUALITY, CONCRETE, CORROSION RESISTANT REINFORCEMENT INSIDE THE CONCRETE. SO, UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF FEATURES, BUT MR. CHAIR, YES. UM, UH, I, I HAD SOME COMMENTS TO MAKE, BUT I WASN'T CERTAIN IF EVERYTHING WENT QUIET FOR A SECOND. ARE WE IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEBODY SAYING SOMETHING, WAITING FOR AN ANSWER? IS IT APPROPRIATE TIME FOR ME TO SAY SOMETHING? UM, I, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTA GOTTA BE VERY HONEST ABOUT MY FEELINGS COMING TO THIS MEETING. I, I, I, UH, IN THE SPIRIT OF WANTING TO BE VERY PROACTIVE, I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU THAT I COME TO THIS MEETING WITH A VERY HEAVY HEART. UH, I'M, UH, UH, UH, REALLY HAVING DIFFICULTY, UM, WITH THE PROCESS. UH, MYSELF AND A A, SOME COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMISSION WERE GIVEN A PRESENTATION, AND I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT WE, WE WERE GIVEN A PRESENTATION ON THE, THE MERITS OF THE SITUATION OF THE CASE HERE. AND, AND NO SOONER DID I GET INTO MY CAR THAT, UH, N P R WAS, UH, ANNOUNCING AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR A SHOW THAT WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, HOW ALL OF THIS HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THAT REALLY WAS, AS FAR AS THE WAY THAT THE COM THE, THE COMMERCIAL WAS SET UP, THIS WAS A DONE DEAL. AND I THINK THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DID THAT, BUT IT, IT DOES STRIKE AT THE INTEGRITY OF ANY, ANY OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WOULD BE COMING FORTH, IF ANY OF IT HAS ANY MERIT OF, YOU KNOW, OF, UH, ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY LISTENING TO THAT COULD COUNT ON IT. IT HIT ME REAL HARD BECAUSE I, WHAT THE WIRE, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS COMING BEFORE US, IF, IF, UH, THIS, UH, RADIO STATION WAS PUTTING THIS COMMERCIAL ON, BUT, BUT MORE TO THE PROBLEM, THE NEXT DAY I LISTENED TO THE PROGRAM AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HIT ON A LOT OF THE PIECES OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US. BUT THE ONE PIECE THAT WAS NEVER MENTIONED TO US WAS THIS LAWSUIT. AND, UM, THE, THE, THE LAWSUIT, UH, IS SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TO THE HEAD OF THE G L O AND TO THE COUNCILMAN I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR. BUT THEY COULDN'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE LAWSUIT. AND IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS [02:55:01] ARE VERY IMPORTANT WITH RESPECT TO ANY DECISION MAKING. UM, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THIS PROJECT, UM, WHILE, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE DIFFERENT OPINIONS THAT ARE THAT, THAT HAVE SPOKEN HERE TODAY. VERY, VERY ENCOURAGED BECAUSE MANY OF THE OPINIONS ARE LIKE OPPOSED TO EACH OTHER. BUT THERE'S A, A COMING TOGETHER THAT IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE I, LIKE MANY SAN ANTONIOS WENT TO MANY OF THE MEETINGS, AND THIS IS A VERY SMALL GROUP IN COMPARISON TO THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN WEIGHING IN ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. UH, SO I, I FEEL THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO, FOR, FOR ME TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO, UM, NOT MAKE ANY MOTIONS WITH RESPECT TO, UM, ANY DECISIONS, PARTICULARLY WITHOUT HAVING AN EXECUTIVE BRIEFING ON THE MERITS OF THIS LAWSUIT. UM, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THIS, IN THIS, UM, UH, AGENDA THAT, THAT MENTIONS THE CEMETERY, IT MENTIONS THE CEMETERY, AND IT TELLS US THAT THIS PROJECT OVERLAPS THAT CEMETERY. ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, DO MY BEST NOT TO GIVE YOU AN OPINION, BUT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS VERY KEY, UM, IN THE ALAMO PLAZA ADVISORY COMMITTEE, GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THERE'S A, A THING HERE THAT SAYS, UH, IN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THIS IS EMBRACE THE CONTINUUM OF HISTORY AND FOSTER UNDERSTANDING AND HEALING. AND AS A MEMBER OF, UH, WHAT CAN BE CONSIDERED THE CHICANO COMMUNITY. UM, AND AS A PERSON THAT LED THE SISTER CHAVEZ MARCH TO THE ALAMO FOR 20 YEARS, WE, WE REALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UM, THE PAIN AND SUFFERING OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTIES AND HOW WE COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER ON SO MANY DIFFERENT LEVELS. BUT THE ONE THING THAT THAT REALLY SEEMS TO BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE HERE, AND EVERYONE UP HERE, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AS A WHOLE, IS THE MENTION OF THIS TERM IN THIS, IN THIS, UM, IN THIS AGENDA OF THE CEMETERY. BECAUSE LONG BEFORE BODIES WERE BURNED, OR LONG BEFORE ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, FOUGHT AT THE ALAMO, UH, WHICH WE GROW UP IN SAN ANTONIO WITH THE STORY OF THE TWO BROTHERS, THAT ONE THAT FOUGHT ON THE MEXICAN SIDE AND ONE THAT FOUGHT ON THE TEXAS SIDE, AND, AND THAT BEFORE ANY BODIES WERE BURNED, UH, ONE OF THE BROTHERS GOT TO GO GET HIS, UH, BROTHER AND TAKE HIM OUT OF THE PILE OF BODIES THAT WERE GONNA BE BURNED. THAT'S WHAT I HEAR FROM ALL THESE PEOPLE IS, IS THESE TWO BROTHERS, THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH EACH OTHER, RIGHT? THEY FOUGHT ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE BATTLE, AND ONE OF THEM DIED, BUT THE OTHER ONE WHO WAS THE OPPOSING BROTHER THOUGHT ENOUGH OF HIS BROTHER TO GO GET HIS BROTHER AND THE HORRIBLE TYRANT SANTA ANA LET HIM GO GET HIS BROTHER, THE ONLY BROTHER THAT DIDN'T, HE'S THE ONLY, ONLY MAN THAT DIDN'T GET BURNED IN THE PILE OF BODIES. THAT, THAT IS REALLY OVER BY THE GOMER STATUE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER. AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE THE, THE HISTORY OF, OF SAN ANTONIO, WHAT THE ALAMO STANDS FOR, PROBABLY THE CAF, WHICH I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF A CONNECTION TO THE CAF PERSONALLY, BUT, BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS STAND FOR THIS ORAL HISTORY THAT HAS NOT REACHED OUR BOOKS YET, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TAINTED BY THE HISTORY OF THE ALAMO THROUGH HOLLYWOOD AND, UM, AND JOHN WAYNE. AND, AND THIS, THIS CONNECTION HERE THAT, THAT I THINK IS MADE THROUGH, THROUGH MY UNDERSTANDING, MY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF THIS LAWSUIT AND THE RECOGNITION OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERIES THAT ARE WELL DOCUMENTED, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, AND THAT, I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU HAVE BEEN THROWN IN MY FACE BECAUSE, BECAUSE ONCE THIS RADIO INTERVIEW OCCURRED, I GOT, I GOT STOPPED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE AS A COMMISSIONER STOPPED ME HERE, BROUGHT ME THIS, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOTTA TELL EVERYONE HERE, I, NO ONE HAS NO ONE, NO ONE THAT STOPPED AND GAVE ME SOMETHING, TOLD ME WHAT THEY THOUGHT I SHOULD DO. THEY JUST SAID, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS? DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT MUCH OF IT I DID. BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, FORGIVE ME FOR BEING LONG-WINDED, BUT I I I, IT GIVES ME HEAVY, HEAVY HEART BECAUSE I, UM, I WANT TO BE PROACTIVE. I DON'T WANT TO BE CONTRARIAN. I THINK THE COUNCILMAN'S A GOOD [03:00:01] MAN. I THINK THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THE DESIGN WORK HAVE PROBABLY FOLLOWED THE CRITERIA AND PROBABLY DONE A VERY GOOD JOB FOLLOWING THAT CRITERIA. I SPENT 20 YEARS OF PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURE. UH, I WORKED ON THE RESTORATION OF THE, UH, UH, UH, TERRACOTTA WITH KILI SALMON OF THE 1 0 1 0 5, UH, AUDITORIUM CIRCLE AT AND T BUILDING. I KNOW THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE USED ALUMINUM, THAT THERE WERE BETTER CONNECTORS. AND THE REACTIONS BETWEEN MARBLE AND ITS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT STEELS. I, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT, UH, ON ITS FACE. I, I, WITHOUT, WITHOUT, LET'S JUST SAY WITHOUT HAVING THE SAME CONCERNS AS EVERYONE. I THINK IT'S, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU RE-ENVISION SOMETHING. IF SOMEONE DOES A GOOD JOB, YOU WANNA SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN, IN A, IN A, IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION. BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT I ALSO GOT, UM, UH, ONE, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE SOMEBODY WALKED UP TO ME IN AN H E B ABOUT THE LADY BIRD JOHNSON FOUNTAIN, AND YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, YOU FIND OUT THAT LADY BIRD JOHNSON WAS, THEY DEDICATED THAT FOUNTAIN WHEN IT WAS HER BIRTHDAY. AND THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE WORLD TRAVELERS, AND NO OFFENSE TO THE DESIGN TEAM, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THAT STREET BECOMES A BETTER LOOKING STREET WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT, WHEN IT HAS NOTHING, IT ALMOST LOSES ITS POETICNESS. ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN TO PRAGUE OR BEEN TO, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE GREAT CITIES OF THE WORLD, THERE'S NOTHING ODD ABOUT HAVING A, UH, WHAT WE CALL IT IN ARCHITECTURE, THE POETICS OF SPACE HAPPENING. SO I, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WITH ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, OPINIONS, A HUNDRED PERCENT HERE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE FACT THAT, THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A BRIEFING ON WHAT THE MERITS OF THIS LAWSUIT ARE. AND WE ALSO HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN, UM, AN OFFICIAL FINDING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS CEMETERY CONSTITUTES A HISTORIC OR CULTURAL SIGNIFICANT PLACE. AND THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S GIVEN TO US IN WRITING FROM THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN AND I, I, I DON'T WANNA BE CONTRARIAN. I I REALLY DIDN'T COME HERE TO TRY TO STOP SOMETHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I, BUT I FEEL THAT THIS COMMISSION SHOULD PERFORM ITS DUE DILIGENCE AND ITS DUE DILIGENCE WOULD REQUIRE THAT WE HAVE A BRIEFING ON WHAT THE MERITS OF THIS LAWSUIT ARE. WELL, LET ME REACH OUT TO OUR ATTORNEY. YES. UM, COMMISSION. GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING. UM, A FUTURE EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, UPDATING YOU ON THE LAWSUIT CAN BE ARRANGED, THAT IS NOT, UH, AVAILABLE THIS EVENING. I WOULD REDIRECT YOU TO WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS WHAT WAS POSTED ON THE AGENDA. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DESIGN, THE LANDSCAPING FOR THE NEW LOCATION OF THE SYNTA, THE SYNTA, THE RELOCATION HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. THAT IS NOT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION THIS EVENING. WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING. BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD BE HAPPY IN THE FUTURE TO PROVIDE YOU AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM ON THE STATUS OF THE LAWSUIT. ITEM THREE SAYS, POSITIONING OF THE SENATE. NOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, WELL, MR. COMMISSIONER, MAYBE, IF YOU REMEMBER THE BRIEFING THAT WE WERE HAVING, THE ONLY THING, AND, AND MAYBE STAFF CAN, CAN YOU PRECISELY SAY WHAT IS IT TODAY? THE RELOCATION HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. IT IS THE TURNING OF IT. WELL, NO, I, I, THE POSITIONING IS WHERE IT IS IN THE PROPOSED, UH, PLAZA. WELL, YEAH. I'LL ACTUALLY JUST READ FROM STAFF'S REPORT SINCE THIS IS ALREADY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. WELL, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE, THE TERM IN THE LAST PIECE OF THIS THAT SAYS THAT THE CEMETERY, WHY DOES IT TELL US THAT, WHY DOES IT SAY THAT THE CEMETERY CROSSES THE BOUNDARY OF THE ALAMO? UM, COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN CHOOSE THAT TO ABSTAIN IF THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION. WELL, WELL, NO, NO, I, I, I, I, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION. THAT'S WHY I SAY I'M NOT TRYING TO, TRYING TO BE CONTRARIAN. I, I JUST, IT JUST SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULDN'T WE BE BRIEFED ON THIS LAWSUIT IN A BRIEFING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BEING GIVEN THE MERITS OF THE SITUATION? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. AND, AND, AND FORGIVE ME, FORGIVE ME, BUT IN, AS WE ARE APPOINTED, RIGHT, WE'RE APPOINTED BECAUSE WE COME FROM PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES. I COME FROM DISTRICT THREE, THAT'S WHERE THE MISSIONS ARE. SO IT'S NATURAL THAT THE PEOPLE AROUND ME, THEY KNOW THEIR HISTORY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT MY EDUCATION LEVEL IN THIS SUBJECT, I THINK IS IT, IT IT MIGHT BE HIGHER THAN OTHER [03:05:01] FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. SO MY CONCERNS ARE DIFFERENT. AND I, AND I WANT, UH, UH, JUST TO VOICE THOSE CONCERNS. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHY I AM ON THIS COMMISSION IS MY OBLIGATION. SO, UH, AND, AND AGAIN, IT ISN'T A PRO OR A CON, IT'S JUST THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S PUTTING THE HORSE BEFORE THE, UH, THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. AND, UM, POSITIONING MEANS MOVING TO ME IN WHATEVER CONTEXT IT MEANS. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WEREN'T BRIEFED ON, ON, ON THIS SUIT, BUT FOR SOME REASON, THE WORD CEMETERY SHOWS UP IN HERE, AND IT, AND IT TELLS US THAT IT CROSSES THE BOUNDARY OF THE, OF THE ALAMO. AND LOOK, LOOK, LET ME, LET ME TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER. THE, FOR EVERYBODY HERE THAT'S CONCERNED WITH THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO, UM, THERE'S, THERE ARE THOSE OF US THAT ARE ALSO FROM THE NATIVE AMERICAN COMMUNITY, FROM THE ENVIRONMENT HERE THAT SHARE IN THE IN HISTORY. AND PEOPLE MENTION CULTURAL GENOCIDE. IT IT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS WINDOWS THAT I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT A WOOD WINDOW OR YOU WANT AN ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CULTURE, WOW, WE ALL HAVE TO REALLY DIG IN DEEP, AND WE HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT CULTURE'S GONNA MEAN TO US. AND THERE'S NOBODY THAT CAN SAY, HEY, YOU MISSED THE BRIEFING, BECAUSE CULTURE'S NOT SPOKEN ABOUT IN THESE BRIEFINGS. AND, AND WHAT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE, OF THESE, UM, OF THESE ACTIONS THAT, THAT MAY PUT US ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY. I THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, AND THANK YOU, UH, CITY ATTORNEY FOR OFFERING, UH, EXECUTIVE BRIEFING. UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. UH, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS IMPORTANT. AND I, I APOLOGIZE IF IN THE PAST YOU HAD NOT FELT THAT YOU WERE PART OF THE, UH, CONVERSATION IN OTHER MEETINGS. UM, WE HEARD, AND, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING YOUR TIME. UM, WITH THAT, I'LL GO BACK WITH WHAT CO, UH, COREY AND THE ATTORNEY WERE SAYING. GOING BACK TO DISCUSSING WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY, UH, THE POSITIONING, UH, THE RELOCATION HAS BEEN APPROVED LAST YEAR. UH, AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO REDIRECT MY QUESTION TO THE, THE DESIGN TEAM. UM, LISTENING TO ONE OF THE, THE, THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. THEY MENTIONED ABOUT, UH, THE SCULPTURE MENTIONED THE POSITIONING WAS VERY SPECIFIC, THE WEST, EAST, AND THE SOUTH, UM, BEING DESIGNED IN A SPECIFIC WAY IN YOUR PROCESS, DID YOU CONSIDER, CONSIDER RESPECTING THAT? OR WHY WAS, IS THE POSITIONING GOING 180 DEGREES? CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN, UH, THE REASONING AND WHY IS IT DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN? ABSOLUTELY. AND YES, INDEED, WE LOOKED AT, UM, PRESERVING ITS CURRENT ORIENTATION AND JUST MOVING IT SOUTH TO THAT SITE. WE LOOKED AT IT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE FELT THAT THE REPRESENTATION OF THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE AS SORT OF FACING THE CHURCH AND THE BATTLEFIELD WAS THE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE ORIENTATION THAN HAVING THAT FACING TO THE SOUTH. AND SO, AS PART OF THE MOVE, AND THIS WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS IN THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN, IT DEVELOPED FROM THE STUDY AND THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND WHAT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE SOLUTION, WE LOOKED AT TURNING IT. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT CREATES A SPACE IN WHICH YOU AS A VISITOR ARE HELD BETWEEN LOOKING AT THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE ON ONE SIDE AND THE CHURCH, THE LONG BARRACK AND THE BATTLEFIELD BEHIND YOU. AND THOSE TWO SETS OF CONDITIONS, WE THINK MAKES A VERY POWERFUL, DIGNIFIED AND REVERENCE SPACE, THE KIND OF SPACE THAT THIS, UH, MONUMENT DESERVES. THAT'S NOT WHAT IN AS PART OF THE, OF THE RESTORATION. AND THIS IS QUESTION FOUR FOR YOU, MA'AM. IS AS PART OF THE RESTORATION, IS THERE MORE OF A CHALLENGE BY ROTATING IT RATHER THAN JUST PULLING IT IN THE SAME POSITION? IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING RELEVANT OR NOT? OH, IT'S, UH, NOT RELEVANT. THE SUPERSTRUCTURE AND FOUNDATION WILL BE NEW AND, UH, UPDATED. AND SO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE MARBLE AND THE SCA, THE SCULPTURES AND THE GRANITE FIT BACK PERFECTLY TOGETHER, UH, ON THE NEW ORIENTATION, THERE'S NO STRUCTURAL CONCERN ABOUT THE ORIENTATION. PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION HAS CLOSED. UM, SO NOW OUR COMMISSIONERS GET A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE, [03:10:03] WHAT, I GUESS IF I COULD REAL QUICK TOO, I, I, I DO WANT TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUES' CONCERNS FROM DISTRICT THREE REGARDING THE, THE MERITS OF THE CURRENT LAWSUIT. THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW TO ME AS WELL. UM, I'M NEW TO THE COMMISSION ALL BUT A MONTH. AND SO I, I DO WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR TRYING TO CATCH ME UP TO SPEED WHERE WE ARE TODAY WITH THE PROJECT. UM, I'M OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT VOTING TODAY TO MOVE THE SENATE HALF, BUT, UH, WHEN I DO SHARE THE CONCERNS, THOUGH, WE ARE, WE ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE A BALL IN A, IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION. AND I, I THINK I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE GETTING BRIEFED ALSO ON, ON THE MERIT OF THIS LAWSUIT AS WELL. SO WHEN WE, UH, WHEN THIS COMMISSION REVIEWED THE ALAMO PLAN AND THE RELOCATION OF THE CAF, THE LOCATION THAT WAS PRESENTED THEN THAT WAS, UH, GRANTED OR A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO WHERE PROPOSED TODAY. AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT LEAVING LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWED FOR, UH, SOME SHIFTING TO ACCOMMODATE THE SITE DESIGN, BUT, BUT NOT, NOT IN ANY SORT OF RADICAL WAY. SO THE BIGGEST THING THAT HAS EVOLVED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS A YEAR AGO WAS THE ROTATION AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PAVING PATTERN IN THE PLANTINGS. AND YOU DESCRIBED THE, THE ROTATION, UH, OF IT IS OFFERING SOME BENEFITS AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE STORY THAT THE KINI, UH, SYNTA TELLS RELATIVE TO THE, THE CHURCH. UM, I'D ALSO ADD THAT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF FORMAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE PLAZA IS PROBABLY MORE SIMILAR IF IT'S ROTATED, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MASS, UH, TAPERS DOWN TOWARD THE ALAMO. SO I THINK, UH, I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND, UM, SOME SOUND LOGIC AND REASON FOR THE LOW ROTATION ON THOSE TWO TERMS. A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE CHANGE IN LIGHTING CONDITIONS ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH FACADE. COULD YOU ELABORATE WHAT KIND OF EFFECT THE, THE REVERSAL OF THE NORTH SOUTH, UH, SCULPTURES WOULD HAVE? UM, I MEAN, WE'VE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT THAT. UM, IT WILL HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IMPACT, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF THE SUN WAY IT MOVES ACROSS THE SKY. THE FACT IS THOUGH THAT THE RELIEF IS SO STRONG ON THE SCULPTURAL ELEMENTS THAT AS THE SUN MOVES, YOU WILL STILL GET THE KIND OF QUALITY OF LIGHT AND SHADOW MOVING ACROSS THE PIECES, AND YOU WILL STILL GET THAT KIND OF QUALITY OF KIND OF, KIND OF THREE DIMENSIONALITY AND RELIEF. THAT IS SOMETHING ALSO THAT AT NIGHT, THE NEW LIGHTING WILL ACCENTUATE. BUT WE THINK DURING THE DAY, YES, THERE WILL BE A DIFFERENCE, BUT WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE SORT OF EXPERIENCE OR SORT OF READING OF THE SCULPTURE. SO I'D LIKE TO, UM, ECHO THE, UH, CONCERNS OF MY COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE, UM, UH, MEETING TO DISCUSS THE, THE MERITS OF THE LAWSUITS THAT ARE IN PLACE. UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE CIN TAF, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT'S NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I DO HAVE SOME INSIGHT ON. UM, HAVING WORKED AT, UH, SHILOH NATIONAL MILITARY PARK, UM, WHERE MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW THERE WERE SOME OF THE EARLIEST, UH, CIVIL WAR MONUMENTS WERE ERECTED BY THE, THE UNITS, UH, SHORTLY AFTER THE, THE BATTLE ON THE SITES WHERE THEIR COMRADES WERE KILLED, WHERE 24,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN ABOUT A TWO OR THREE DAY PERIOD OF TIME. AND, UM, WHEN IN OUR WORK ON THAT, UH, PROJECT, WE DID A LOT OF READING OF THE, THE LETTERS AND THE, UH, NEWSPAPER ARTICLES AT THE TIME THAT, UH, ANNOUNCED WHEN THESE VARIOUS UNITS ON BOTH THE, UH, CONFEDERATE AND UNION SIDES WOULD, UH, MEET IN, IN A, UH, KIND OF REUNION TO ERECT THESE MONUMENTS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHERE THOSE MONUMENTS WENT. THEY SAID, THIS IS WHERE OUR COMRADES DIED. THIS IS WHERE WE MET THE ENEMY. THIS IS WHERE WE BLED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK IT'S REALLY QUITE DISTURBING THAT A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF, OF, OF A SITE, IF [03:15:01] YOU ARE GOING TO HONOR THE, UH, CONTINUUM OF HISTORY, IS TO HONOR HOW WE MEMORIALIZE THAT HISTORY. AND, UM, AND I I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE COMMENTS, THE, THE PARTICULAR QUOTES THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE, THE PUBLIC READ TODAY, THAT THERE WERE REALLY SPECIFIC IDEAS ABOUT WHERE THIS MONUMENT MONUMENT WAS PLACED. AND IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IN SOME OF THE BRIEFINGS I'VE ASKED ABOUT THAT ORIENTATION, I WAS TOLD, OH, WELL, THERE WAS NO NORTH OR SOUTH ARROW PUT ON THE, THE DRAWINGS. WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW HE INTENDED IT TO BE POSITIONED. AND THAT IS CLEARLY NOT TRUE. I MEAN, THERE'S CLEARLY A STRONG INTENT HERE. NOW, I AM EQUALLY CONFLICTED WITH THE IDEA OF HAVING THIS THING FACE SOUTH TOWARDS A MALL. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SEEMS ABSURD IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE MOVING IT DOWN THAT TO THAT POSITION. UM, SO I THINK THERE IS A COMPELLING REASON TO ROTATE IT JUST TO AT LEAST A ACKNOWLEDGE THE, THE, THE CENTER, THE FO THE FOCI OF, OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SITE, UM, AND NOT TURN THE, THE MONUMENT, UH, TURN THE MONUMENTS BACK TO THAT. SO I THINK THE, THE CONSULTANTS HAVE, UM, TAKEN A TOUGH SITUATION AND, AND HAVE, HAVE OFFERED UP THEIR BEST, UH, ADVICE ON, ON HOW TO, TO FACE THAT. BUT I THINK IT IS VERY DISTURBING THAT THIS MONUMENT IS BEING MOVED. AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A COMMISSION, WHEN WE ARE REVIEWING DEMOLITION CASES, WE, UM, UH, AS PART OF THAT REVIEW, WE, WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE REPLACEMENT PLAN. AND IN SOME WAYS, UM, THIS IS BEING ROLLED OUT IN A VERY PIECEMEAL WAY WHERE WE HAD THE, THE LARGER INTERPRETIVE PLAN, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY BEING GIVEN A LOT OF DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PLAZA IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH. AND, AND FOR ME, THAT THAT JUST LEAVES A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. AND, AND, UM, I, I, I DON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, UH, SUBSCRIBE TO A LOT OF THE CONSPIRACY STUFF. MY COUNCILWOMAN HAS NOT CONTACTED ME AND TOLD ME WHAT TO SAY OR, OR THINK ABOUT THIS. SO I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT I'M THINKING VERY INDEPENDENTLY, AND IF I GET SACKED, THAT'S FINE. SO BE IT. I HAVE NO OTHER INTENTIONS THAN TO, TO SPEAK MY, UH, MY OPINION AND GIVE MY ADVICE, UH, TO MY COUNCILPERSON. THERE WAS ONE OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT WAS, UH, CONCERNS THE HORSE CARRIAGES ON THE BUSES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? I THINK YOU ADDRESSED IT AT OUR BRIEFING. ADDRESS IT BRIEFLY IN THAT WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, BOTH THE TOUR OPERATING COMPANY AS WELL AS, UH, THE CARRIAGE OPERATING COMPANY. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH THEM TO FORMULATE A PLAN TO REVISE LOCATIONS. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY BEST BRIEFING I CAN GIVE MR. MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, THE DEVELOPERS CAN, CAN STAFF GET US TO THE PAGE THAT IS, THAT SAYS ALAMO SANITA ORIGINS, UH, IT JUST SAYS IN RED ALAMO, STENOTYPE ORIGINS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PAGE NUMBER, SPECIFICALLY 16. 16. UM, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS BROUGHT TODAY. AND SO IT MIGHT, THE PAGE NUMBERS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN IT'S IN THE AGENDA. WHAT'S IT BACK AT? OH, IT'S NOT THE ALAMO PLAZA, P D F UH, IT'S PAGE 16 OF THAT, THE, THE REASON, THE REASON WHY I ASKED THIS SHOW, THAT PICTURE, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT, BUT IT GETS TO ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT KIND OF A, I GUESS A FINDING THAT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH US AS WELL. BUT IT, IT, IT'S APPARENT THAT THE PROBLEMS WITH THE LOCATION OF THE SENATE ARE, OR THAT THEY CHANGED IT FROM THAT, AND, AND IT'S BEEN SURROUNDED BY THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN AWAY FROM, FROM THAT. IF, IF THAT WAS THE PLAN, WOULD, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THAT'S A GOOD LOCATION FOR THE CEF LIKE THAT? YES, YES. IN TERMS OF YOU'RE LOOKING, HAD Y'ALL CONSIDERED OR HAD Y'ALL RECOMMENDED AFTER SEEING THAT PICTURE, THAT [03:20:01] DURING, EXCUSE ME, CAN WE HAVE SOME, CAN WE HAVE ORDERS PLEASE? IF YOU'RE ASKING IF WE EVER CONSIDERED LEAVING IT THERE IN THAT LOCATION? NO, NOT LEAVING IT THERE IN THAT LOCATION, BUT TAKING IT BACK TO THAT, THAT WASN'T PART OF THE CRITERIA OR TELL ME, UM, TAKING IT BACK TO THAT, RELATIVE TO THE SITE DESCRIPTION AROUND IT AND THE SITE CHARACTER AROUND IT, OR THAT LOCATION, THAT ORIENTATION, THAT ORIENTATION, BUT ALSO THAT, THAT BASE. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE BASE IS NOT JUST THAT CONCRETE PIECE BELOW THE SYNTA, BUT ACTUALLY THE CONCRETE SURROUND AND THE, THE, THE GRASS AND THE CIRCLE AND THE, THE OTHER DETAIL HERE ON THE NORTH, UH, WITH ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AROUND IT, RIGHT. THAT IT, THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT, THAT WE SEE BE, YOU KNOW, AS THE IMPROVEMENT THAT I THINK IT'S A TOTALLY FAIR QUESTION. IT'S, UM, OBVIOUSLY BRAND NEW, FRESH, AND, YOU KNOW, OUT AND PRESENTED. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON HERE AND, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY JOHN CAN HELP WITH THIS, WHERE IT'S SITUATED, WHERE THE CARS ARE DRIVING ARE ACTUALLY ON THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL BATTLEFIELD. NO, BUT I MEAN, WITHOUT THE CARS JUST, OH, KEEPING IT PEDESTRIAN, YOU'RE THINKING THAT AND DOING ALL THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THERE. SO THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE ARE SOME COMPETING DESIGN ELEMENTS FOR THE MODERN ONE IS, SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD ENVISION IT BEING COMPLETELY PEDESTRIAN AROUND THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SECURITY, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, ONE OF THE NATURAL PARTS OF A PEDESTRIAN ZONE IS IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO BRING THE, THE BARRACKS, THE CHURCH. THERE ARE FRAGILE MASONRY STRUCTURES. IT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT. AND THE SENATE HALF WOULD BE PART OF IT. IT'S NOT AS FRAGILE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE MODERN WORLD OF WHERE WE ARE. THE SECOND THING, EXCUSE ME. SO, UH, THE SECOND THING ABOUT IT IS THAT IT'S PLACED HERE, BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE IT, IT AGGLOMERATES LAYERS OF HISTORY INTO ONE SPOT. AND PERHAPS THAT'S A HISTORICAL TREATMENT, BUT THE NOTION IS TO BE ABLE TO, UM, APPRECIATE 300 YEARS OF HISTORY, WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN. AND I GET THAT I'M VERY NEW TO IT, AND I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE, I'M NOT A PLANNER AND I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, BUT THE NOTION IS TO ACTUALLY INCREASE OUR FULLER APPRECIATION OF THE ALAMO SITE TO, UM, WHAT WAS, I MEAN, JUST TO, JUST TO ALSO MAKE SURE MY COMMISSIONER IS AWARE, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT SITE PLAN, AND I, THERE WAS A LOT OF, THAT WAS A WHOLE PRESENTATION OF WHY, AND, AND I, AND I CAN APPRECIATE AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE, THE REDIRECTION OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. I JUST, I JUST SAY THAT PROACTIVELY BECAUSE UNDER F IN THE FINDINGS, UNDER ARCHEOLOGY, IT SAYS THE SUBMITTED PHASE ONE LIMIT OF WORK OVERLAPS THE BOUNDARY OF THE CEMETERY ON THE GROUNDS OF THE ALAMO. THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING PENDING THAT COULD AFFECT THE MOVING OF THAT IRRES, UH, DESPITE ANY DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST, THAT BEING, SO I THINK IT'S WORTH, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THAT AS A SOLUTION IN THE EVENT THAT, THAT THE CITY'S PREVENTED FROM BEING ABLE TO MOVE THE SENATE TAB. UH, UH, I'M JUST, AND I'LL, I'LL YIELD, UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS AND JUST ASK THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT I APPRECIATE YOUR REDIRECTION. I APPRECIATE THE ANSWERS FROM THE CONSULTANTS. UM, I JUST HOPE THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW THAT OVERLAPS WITH F IN FINDINGS. ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK ONE OF THEM, I THINK MAYBE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SELL 'EM A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE IF THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE COMMISSION. UM, THE PLAN FOR THE NEW ALMA PLAZA, WHATEVER THEY WERE GONNA CALL IT, ACTUALLY WILL HONOR THE CEMETERIES AND THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE, UM, REVEALED, MAYBE WE DON'T KNOW YET THE DETAILS, BUT IT WILL BE PART OF IT. RIGHT. SO I THINK THIS IS EVEN MORE REASON FOR US, RIGHT? WHAT WE WERE EXPLAINED LAST TIME A YEAR AGO, JUST LIKE, UH, WHAT WAS INCLUDED LAST YEAR AS PART OF THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN WAS, AGAIN, CONSIDERATION THAT MULTIPLE OPTIONS OF THE LOCATION OF THE SENATE TAF AND INCLUDING LEAVING IT THERE. AND BECAUSE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ALAMO PLAN AND THE GOAL OF WHERE YOU ARE LEADING TO IS INCLUDING THE INTERPRETATION OF MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, INCLUDING THE NATIVE AMERICAN BURIALS ON THAT SITE, INCLUDING THE MISSION ERA, INCLUDING THE BATTLE MOMENTS, ALL ON THAT LAND. THIS IS ALL, AGAIN, THE FIRST PHASE OF A COMPREHENSIVE INTERPRETIVE PLAN THAT CELEBRATES THOSE TO THE, TO A, UH, TO A GREAT DEGREE. AND SO, YES, INCLUDED ON THE, ON THE REVISED ALAMO PLAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE IMAGES OF, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE CERTAINLY IS THE INTERPRETATION OF NATIVE AMERICAN, UH, STORIES AND MISSIONARY STORIES AND BATTLE MOMENTS ALL ON THAT LAND. AND THE, THE GOAL OF OF ESTABLISHING THAT ONSITE ON THE BURIAL GRAHAMS WAS PART OF THE DECISION, UH, THAT WAS AGREED UPON ALREADY OF THE RELOCATION OF THE SENATE. [03:25:03] UM, AND I QUICKLY WANNA RESPOND TO THE QUESTION ABOUT FINDING F ABOUT ARCHEOLOGY THAT IS IN THERE FOR REFERENCE. IT ISN'T REALLY IMPACTING THE LOCAL REVIEW. IT'S MORE OF A STATE LEVEL PERMITTING ISSUE, EVEN THE ACTUAL BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERY, UH, THE DESIGNATED CEMETERY SIDE, THAT'S A STATE PERMITTING ISSUE, NOT A LOCAL ISSUE. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, COREY. BUT THE ONLY THING IS THAT IT'S A CULTURAL ISSUE. AND IN TERMS OF CULTURE, THE ONLY WARRIORS OF CULTURE IN SAN ANTONIO HAVE BEEN THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THROUGH THEIR ORAL HISTORIES, THROUGH THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN WRITTEN IN BOOKS, IS TO FORCE SAN ANTONIO AS A CITY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE CULTURAL ASPECTS. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT O P'S AUTHORITY AND THE CULTURAL AREA WAS TO HELP REMEDY THE EXCLUSION OF CULTURE AS SO MUCH CULTURE HAS, HAS BEEN LOST. I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. UH, THE PLAN ISLAS, THAT IS MAIN PLAZA IS COMPLETELY GONE BECAUSE OF THE MAIN PLAZA DEVELOPMENT. NOW, SOME MAY SAY THAT THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT AND, AND THAT IT WORKS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT THE, IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, YOU, WE ONLY HAD ONE AND, AND IT PROBABLY PREDATES MOST THINGS NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE ALAMO, THE FOUNDING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO COMES WITH THE FOUNDING OF THE ALAMO AT SAN PEDRO SPRINGS. WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND THEN THE ALAMO MOVES, AND IT'S FACING THE FEDERAL, UH, COURTHOUSE, WHICH IS WHERE THE FIRST CEMETERY IS, AND THEN IT TURNS. SO ALL OF THESE LAYERS PREDATE ANYTHING THAT IS 1836. AND INSIDE OF THAT, I THINK, I THINK THE IDEA OF MOVING SOMETHING THAT'S ON SOMETHING GETS INTO WHAT, WHAT THE FEDS WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. SO IF WE FOLLOW THE U D C, THEN THAT MEANS THAT LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF WHAT THE FEDERAL REGULATION IS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE U D C. SO TO ME, JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND HOPEFULLY THE, THE, OUR LEGAL TEAM CAN, CAN GIVE US SOME CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT MOVING A STONE WHERE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MOVE A STONE. AND TECHNICALLY THE SENATE TAPS A STONE. IT'S A ROCK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE SO, AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. I, I KNOW THAT THE, THAT THE DOLLARS ASSOCIATED WITH IT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BELIEVE ME. BUT IT MIGHT BE NOBODY UP HERE THAT KNOWS THAT MORE THAN I KNOW. UM, BUT MAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORY, UH, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. ALL THE PEOPLE HERE THAT I, I MEAN, IT'D BE IT, WE, WE'VE HAD ROOMS FILLED OF PEOPLE LIKE Y'ALL, AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE ROOM, RIGHT? BUT I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE GONE TO A LOT OF THE SESSIONS. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAN THIS. AND, AND, AND, AND THAT SENATE F AS IT'S SHOWN RELATES TO F AND F HAS A, THERE'S A LAWSUIT DEALING WITH THAT. I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GET INTO THAT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE FOOD FOR THOUGHT IN TERMS OF THAT IMAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE. THAT TO ME SEEMS THAT THE PROBLEM WITH THE DESIGN IS ALL THE CHANGES THAT THEY'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL LOCATION RIGHT THERE. LIKE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MY COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AND FEELINGS AND, AND THANK ALL THE, THE CITIZENS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE WHO HAVE COME AND, AND, UH, POUR OUT THEIR HEARTS WITH, UM, THEIR CONCERNS AND AND DESIRES. AND, UM, I'M A TEXAN. I'M SAN ANTONIAN, UM, AND I'M PROUD OF BEING A TEXAN. AND, UH, I KNOW THAT THE SYNTA IS IMPORTANT. IT, UH, A MEMORIALIZES THE DEFENDERS AND, UM, IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS A MONUMENT TO THEM. UM, FOR GOOD OR BAD, THE DECISION TO MOVE IT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE. SO, UM, I THINK PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT, UH, DEALING WITH WHERE IT IS NOW, WE NEED TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION IN TERMS OF, UM, ITS REVERENCE TO THE DEFENDERS IN RELATION TO THE, UH, CHURCH. UM, PERSONALLY I LIKE THE ORIENTATION THAT THE, UH, DESIGNERS HAVE PROPOSED, UM, DIRECTING THE, UM, THE DIRECTION OF THE MONUMENT TOWARDS THE, THE FRONT OF THE CHURCH. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, CEMETERIES AND ARCHEOLOGY AND, UH, INDIGENOUS FOLKS [03:30:01] THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN HERE FOR, UH, CENTURIES AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THE, UH, ARCHEOLOGY, UH, SHOWS FOR THIS, UH, NEW PLAZA. UH, IT MAY, UH, INFORM EVERYONE TO, UM, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN MORE TREES WHICH REQUIRE BIGGER ROOT BALLS AND GROWTH AND EVERYTHING, UH, IT MAY BE THAT IT BECOMES MORE LIKE, UH, WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, WHICH WAS MORE SPARE AND MORE REVERENT TO, UH, IF IN FACT THERE ARE SOME, UH, BURIALS IN THIS AREA. SO, UM, I THINK, UM, PERSONALLY, I THINK CONCEPTUALLY THE, OR THE ORIENTATION WORKS FOR ME, THE FINAL DESIGN OF THE LANDSCAPING, I THINK STILL, UH, IS GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON, UH, ARCHEOLOGY. SOMEBODY ELSE ALSO COMMENT ON THE DATES AND TIMELINE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF YOU HAVE IT LIKE A START DATE AND HOW WOULD THAT WORK AS BEING, UM, PROTECT THAT AREA WHILE YOU'RE RESTORING IT? OR LIKE YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA BE DONE THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. BUT, UH, I THINK YOU HAVE TWO QUESTIONS IN THERE. ONE, A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON SCHEDULE. CAN YOU HELP WITH THE SECOND QUESTION ABOUT PHASING? HOW ARE YOU PROTECTING THAT AREA WHILE THE REST OF THE ALAMO PLAN IS BEING DEVELOPED? THAT'S RIGHT. WE ARE WORKING ON A PHASING PLAN, UH, SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW, UH, WITH BROADEST OUR PROJECT MANAGER. THE, UH, TARGET END DATE IS THE END OF 2020. UH, SO WE CAN GIVE THAT EXACT START DATE, DEPENDS ON A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES AS FAR AS PERMITTING, ET CETERA, CONTRACTORS BIDDING, ALL THOSE THINGS. BUT OUR TARGET END DATE RIGHT NOW ON A PROJECT SCHEDULE IS THE END OF 2020. THE PHASING, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME THINGS RIGHT NOW RELATIVE TO MAKING SURE THAT, UH, ACCESS FOR GUESTS AND LOCALS IS STILL, UH, KEPT RELATIVE TO THE CHURCH. BUT ALSO WE KNOW WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IMPORTANT CITY EVENTS, UH, PARADES, UM, ALL ALL THOSE THINGS. SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE PHASING SCHEDULE OF ALL THE RESTORATION ACTIVITIES THAT TRACY DESCRIBED ABOUT KEEPING ALL THE RESTORATION ON SITE AND THE LOGISTICS, LOGISTICS OF MAKING SURE THAT THE GOAL OF, OF TOUCHING EACH PANEL, UM, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS A LOGISTICAL EFFORT. BUT WE KNOW WE WANNA WORK AROUND THE, THE HEAVY ACTIVITIES DURING APRIL AND DURING SPRING, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE GUEST ACCESS AND TO PROVIDE ALL THE CITY ACTIVITIES THAT ARE HAPPENING. MAYBE SOME KIND OF A SIGNAGE OR SOME BIG PHOTO OF THE CAN BE SET UP IN THE MEANTIME TO REMIND US THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE MOVING. THERE'S, THERE'S NO DOUBT DURING ACT DURING, UM, YOU KNOW, DURING CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, THERE WILL BE, UH, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. CONSTRUCTION FENCES AND ACCESS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS OFTEN USED FOR THAT, THAT HELP. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY. I, UM, WANT TO COMMENT ON SOME, UM, CONCERNS BY SOME OF THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS ABOUT LEGAL ACTION THAT'S PENDING AND I THINK IT WOULD BE UNWISE FOR THIS COMMISSION TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE HAD A THOROUGH AND COMPLETE BRIEFING ON ALL THE LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, UH, THAT THIS COMMISSION COUNT, UH, TABLES THIS, UM, APPLICATION UNTIL WE CAN MEET IN EXECUTIVE, UH, SESSION FOR A LEGAL DEBRIEF BY THE CITY, UH, ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. HOW DOES THIS LAWSUIT, UH, INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA TODAY? OH, SECOND, NOT AS A PROJECT, JUST THE AGENDA TODAY. THE LAWSUIT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN AND INTEREST IN THE STATUS OF THE LAWSUIT, WHICH, UH, WAS NOT BROUGHT BY THE ALAMO DEFENDERS. LET ME ADD THAT. BUT THE LAWSUIT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING WITH THE LANDSCAPING. THE HARDSCAPING, WHAT IS BEFORE YOU ON THE AGENDA? THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS MORE THAN WILLING AND WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THE STATUS OF THE LAWSUIT BECAUSE IT'S RELEVANT TO YOUR CONCERNS, BUT IT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS AGENDA ITEM. I, I, I WOULD JUST HAVE TO COMMENT THAT I DON'T AGREE. I, I, YOU KNOW, WOULD KNOW THAT, THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF A PENDING SUIT, UH, THE OPINION OF A LAWYER IT IS, IS TRUMPED BY THE OPINION OF THE JUDGE MOTION. AND YES, WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TABLE THIS TILL AFTER AN EXECUTIVE BRIEFING. [03:35:01] FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY NAY. AYE. NAY VOICE, VOTE PLEASE. VELASQUEZ AYE. GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. FETZER. AYE. UNE. AYE. OLA. AYE. GROUP A. AYE. FERNANDEZ NAY. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. FINALLY. AGAIN, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. IF Y'ALL DON'T MIND, WE HAVE MORE CASES TO HEAR AFTER Y'ALL, SO, UH, THANKS FOR COMING AND WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN. I PUT YOU IN FRONT OF ME THAT WE CAN, BUT NO, NO. WE'LL MORE IN THAT WE DO HAVE MORE ITEMS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PATIENT TO, UM, HAVE HEARD. SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY INTO THE FOYER. UM, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU, FOR FIRE REASONS THAT YOU DON'T BLOCK THE, UM, THE DOUBLE DOORS, BUT PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY OUT OF THE BOARDROOM. WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM B. YEAH, WE HAVE ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B 14 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS OR SPEAKERS SIGNED IN FOR THOSE ITEMS AND SO WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO EARLIER WE HAD, UH, B SIX HAD A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD. IS THAT NO LONGER THE CASE? WE DO NOT HAVE ONE. OKAY, SO ['B' ITEMS CONSENT AGENDA] MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I MOVE FOR, UM, APPROVAL OF CONSENT. B ITEMS ONE, UH, B ONE THROUGH B 14 WITH STAFF STIPULATION SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES, YOUR HONOR, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 10 23 NORTH PINE 10 24 DAWSON, 1127 NORTH PALMETTO 1 32 CAMARGO 1430 WEST ROSEWOOD 1 47 CROFTON, 1 51 NORTH 2 0 9 VANCE 3 0 9 WIGS FOUR 13 EAST MISSILE TOW 56 26 SAN FERNANDO 8 0 1 NORTH OLIVE AND 7 0 1 NOLAN AND 1 38 EAST ELLWOOD. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS MEETING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE YARD SIGNED, PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR. OKAY, AND, UM, FOR INFORMATION, UH, ITEM B 15 3 35 TRAIL HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT TO DECEMBER 18TH AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THAT ITEM. FOLLOWING THAT IS ITEM B 16 3 28 EAST SATCH. UM, THAT CASE HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THAT ITEM AS WELL AND NO ACTION AS NEEDED. SO THAT BRINGS US TO B 17 [B-17 19-8899 Address/Description: 803 BURLESON ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-647 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Request: Porch modifications and Historic Tax Verification City Council Dist.: 2] AGENDA. ITEM B 17, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 47 AT 8 0 3 BURLESON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL FRONT PORCH DECKING AND STEPS OVER THE CONCRETE PORCH AND TWO, RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION FOR THE PROPERTY AT 8 0 3 BURLESON. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH DECKING AS INSTALLED. BASED ON FINDING, I STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PORCH DECKING FEATURING ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD MEMBERS LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE WITH THE STEP CONFIGURATION MATCHING THE ORIGINAL. IF THE COMMISSION IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE AS INSTALLED, STAFF STIPULATES THAT THE PORCH DECK RAILING AND COLUMNS BE PAINTED WHITE TO MATCH THE TRIM COLOR AND REDUCE VISIBILITY OF THE NONCONFORMING FEATURE FOR ITEM TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMPLIANCE ITEMS NOTED IN ITEM ONE BE APPROVED OR CORRECTED PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION CASE. COMMENT ON REVIEW OF THE HISTORIC TAX VER CERTIFICATION. STAFF FOUND THAT TWO ITEMS OF WORK WERE COMPLETED PRIOR TO APPROVAL FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT AND THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT PORCH DECKING. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO REMOVE THE NON-CONFORMING DOOR AND INSTALL A CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR WITH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MAINTAIN THE FRONT PORCH DECKING [03:40:01] AS INSTALLED RATHER THAN REVERSE OR CORRECT THE WORK OR TO MODIFY IT TO FEATURE A TRADITIONAL PROFILE WHICH IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE, WE CAN EITHER POSTPONE OR WE CAN TAKE ACTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DID WE NOT SEE THIS? YES, THE APPLICANT, UH, CAME FOR TAX CERTIFICATION AND AT THE TIME IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WERE, UM, AGREEING TO BOTH OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR COMPLIANCE. BUT APPARENTLY THE APPLICANT HAS RESUBMITTED TO INSTEAD KEEP THE FRONT PORCH DECKING AS INSTALLED. MR. CHAIR, THE APPLICANT IS, WAS REQUESTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP THAT PORCH IN A LOT OF CASES I'VE SEEN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS WHERE THE CONCRETE HAS SUNK IN SO MUCH OR IT'S TURNED IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. UH, WOULD, WOULD IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO ENTERTAIN THAT, THAT WE WOULD, UH, PROVE THAT AS DONE IF THEY GO TO A COLOR THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH A CONCRETE PORCH, THAT THAT MIGHT HELP THEM KEEP THE SOLUTION THAT THEY'VE, THAT THEY'VE GOT, BUT, BUT GET THE COLOR AND THE LOOK BACK TO, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE AS THE COLOR OF THE CONCRETE. THE MATERIAL'S NOT THE ISSUE. UM, STAFF IS REQUIRING THAT THE, UM, THE TYPE OF DECKING BE CHANGED. AND SO INSTEAD OF THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, ONE BY SIX DECKING, YOU SEE, IT WOULD BE A TRADITIONAL TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD COMMONLY SEE WITH A WOOD PORCH. I HEAR YOU. I UNDERSTAND. SO, SO THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT PORCH, BUT THEY WOULD CHANGE THE DECKING. THEY WOULD'VE TO CHANGE THE DECKING MATERIAL. WELL IF THE, IF THE UH, UH, UM, APPLICANT'S NOT HERE, I MAKE A MOTION TO, TO ACCEPT THIS WITH, UH, A AS STIPULATED BY STAFF. I'LL, I'LL SECOND, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AGREEING ON, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO ITEMS. UM, I THINK WHAT YOU CAN DO IS, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS RE REGARDING THE DCU MATERIAL AND IF THE APPLICANT DOES THAT, THEY WILL AUTOMATICALLY QUALIFY FOR THE TAX VERIFICATION. 'CAUSE THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE REQUEST. THAT, THAT THAT'S, UH, GOOD. OKAY. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON, I, I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. SO, UM, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR. SO WITH THE DECKING THAT WE HAVE NOW, SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT IT BE APPROVED, I MEAN IT'D BE CORRECTED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. CORRECT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NAYYY MOTION PASSES THE APPLICANT HERE FOR NINE 10 NORTH HACKBERRY. OKAY, AGENDA ITEM B 18 H [B-18 19-8826 Address/Description: 910 N HACKBERRY ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-379 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Cy Goudge/JCG HOMES LLC Request: Construction of two, 2-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2] D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 3 79 9 10 NORTH HACKBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT NINE 10 NORTH HACKBERRY LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH R WITH SIX STIPULATIONS THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT ON THOSE SIX STIPULATIONS. NOW WE HAVE ACTUALLY FOLLOWED UP WITH, UM, STAFF AND MADE THE CORRECTION. INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. OH, SORRY. MY NAME IS SAIGU. I'M WITH J C G HOMES. UM, WE'RE BUILDING THE PROPERTY OR WE'RE PROPOSING THE PROPERTY AT NINE 10 HACKBERRY. UM, WE HAVE, UH, MADE THE CHANGES THAT THE STAFF HAS, UH, ASKED US TO MAKE, UM, WITH A RES WE RESUBMIT SOME PLANS. UH, AS FAR AS THOSE, UH, WE ARE GOING TO ABIDE BY ALL THE STIPULATIONS. WERE THERE ANY THAT, WERE THERE ANY THAT WERE AN ISSUE? SO I'LL WALK THROUGH 'EM REALLY QUICKLY. UH, STIPULATION ONE WAS THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASED THE SETBACKS TO BE, UH, GREATER THAN THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT. TWO, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY ONE OF THE STRUCTURES SO THAT THEY ARE NOT IDENTICAL. UM, YOU CAN SEE ONE STRUCTURE HAS A FRONT FACING GABLED ROOF. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MODIFIED THE OTHER STRUCTURE TO FE TO FEATURE A PI, OR EXCUSE ME, A HIP ROOF. UH, THE THIRD STIPULATION, UH, WAS IN REGARDS TO WOOD WINDOWS. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, A WOOD WINDOW THAT'S CONSISTENT, OR EXCUSE ME, AN ALUMINUM ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOW THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WINDOWS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS USED ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT O H B STAFF FINDS TO BE APPROPRIATE. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS DETACHED THE CARPORT AS CAN BE SEEN IN THE OVERALL SITE PLAN. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS MODIFIED THE PROPOSED WALKWAYS SO THAT THEY WILL BE WELL, HAS AGREED [03:45:01] TO DO THAT. THAT'LL BE NEED TO BE UPDATED ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. AND THEN STIPULATION SIX IS THAT THE APPLICANT DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO SUBMIT THE DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THE STAFF AND WE WILL REVIEW THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY UPON SUBMITTAL. A MOTION THAT INCLUDES THE STIPULATIONS WOULD COVER ALL BUT THREE AND SIX ESSENTIALLY. AND THOSE WOULD BE FOLLOW-UP VERIFICATION, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL THE OPPOSED SAY NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. Y'ALL NEED TO HAVE A DRINK TONIGHT. , THE APPLICANT HERE FOR 4 0 9 QUENTIN. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM [B-19 19-8850 Address/Description: 409 QUENTIN DR HDRC Case No.: 2019-692 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Amalia Cavazos Request: Installation of full, concrete driveway City Council Dist.: 7] B 19 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 6 9 2 4 0 9 QUENTIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FULL CONCRETE DRIVEWAY TO REPLACE AN EXISTING TWO RIBBON DRIVEWAY. RECOMMENDATION, UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL PERVIOUS PAVERS WITHIN THE RIBBON REPAIRED CONCRETE RIBBON DRIVEWAY. COME FORWARD PLEASE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS, UH, AMALIA SSES. I GO BY MOLLY. I LIVE AT 4 6 7 MARY LOUISE DRIVE. I ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY AS OF NOVEMBER 1ST. THIS PROPERTY AT 4 0 9 QUENTIN. UM, THAT IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE AT 4 0 9 QUENTIN. I HAVE SUBMITTED SOME, UM, CLOSEUPS OF THE DRIVEWAY AT THAT HOME. THOSE ARE THE CLOSEUPS. THERE'S ALSO, UM, DOWN BELOW YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S DEFINITE BREAKS IN THAT PA IN THAT RIBBON PATTERN. I'VE REQUESTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A FULL CONCRETE POURED A FULL CONCRETE SLAB POURED WHAT I DID TO SHOW THERE'S ONLY 13 HOMES IN THAT 400 BLOCK OF QUENTIN. OF THE 13 HOMES, ONLY ONE OTHER HOUSE HAS A RIBBON DRIVEWAY. THE REMAINDER HAVE EITHER AND, AND THAT'S THE HOMES THERE. THE FOUR CORNER LOTS HAVE FULL DRIVEWAYS THAT, UM, ARE ON THE CROSS STREETS. SO THAT LEAVES, UM, NINE HOMES. OF THE NINE HOMES, ONLY ONE HAS A RIBBON DRIVEWAY. THE OTHER HAVE EITHER HAD FULL SLABS POURED OR HAVE HAD, UM, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY FILLED IN. I HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED PICTURES OF THOSE HOMES THAT HAVE HAD THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY PORT, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY FILLED. AND IT, IT'S A MESS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THOSE HOMES AND IT JUST KIND OF KICKS IT UP. LIKE THERE'S UM, THERE'S THE ONE RIBBON RIBBON DRIVEWAY THAT'S LEFT. UM, THERE'S ONE THAT'S FILLED IN THAT'S JUST BREAKS UP, UM, WITH TIME. AND THERE WERE SOME MORE THERE, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF NINE. NO, LET ME LOOK AT THE, SO THERE'S, UM, 1, 2, 3 HOMES THAT HAVE HAD THE FILLED IN DRIVEWAY WHERE THEY JUST START TO BREAK UP AND REALLY, UM, ADD AN EL ELEMENT OF DANGER TO THE FAMILY THAT'S GONNA MOVE IN IS A YOUNG FAMILY. IT'S A MOM, DAD, FOUR YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, ONE YEAR OLD, UM, SON AND A BABY ON THE WAY. SO I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FALLING IN THE, IN THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED RIGHT NOW. I FEEL THAT THE FULL CONCRETE SLAB DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THAT ONE BLOCK BECAUSE HALF OF THE HOMES HAVE THAT FULL CONCRETE SLAB ALREADY. AND IT WOULD BE MUCH SAFER FOR THE FAMILY AND LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN EITHER THE ASPHALT SLABS OR THE, THE ONE RIBBONS, UM, CONCRETE DRIVEWAY OR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN FILLED. SO THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE TO PRESENT AND WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT APPROVAL WILL BE GIVEN TO HAVE A, A FULL CONCRETE DRIVEWAY POURED. CAN I ASK ABOUT THE WIDTH THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UH, IT WOULD BE THE SAME. UM, LET ME LOOK AT THIS. IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. YES. YES. UM, I THINK IT'S 37 FEET LONG AND 9.2 I MIGHT BE A LITTLE OFF ON, ON THE INCHES. IT MIGHT BE FOUR TO FIVE INCHES DIFFERENT 'CAUSE IT WAS LATE WHEN I WAS TAKING THOSE MEASUREMENTS. BUT WE'RE WITHIN THE, WITHIN [03:50:01] WHAT'S THERE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE EXTENDED TO BE A DOUBLE DRIVEWAY. IT'S NOT GONNA BE EXTENDED TO ALLOW FOR SIDEWALK OR IT'S GONNA BE JUST THE DRIVEWAY. THAT AREA AT THE VERY BEGINNING, I THINK ONE OF THE PICTURES SHOWED IT WHERE IT SEEMS THAT AT ONE TIME THERE WERE, THERE WAS A LITTLE BLOCK POURED. YOU GO TO THE SEE, UH, UP TOWARDS THE FRONT THERE'S A LITTLE BLOCK THAT'S POURED, BUT THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FULL, UM, FULLY POURED SLAB CONCRETE. SO, SO IN THIS CASE, WHEN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR REPAIR, REPAIR IS ESSENTIALLY RECONSTRUCT THIS, WE'RE NOT ASKING THE, THESE FRAGMENTS OF CONCRETE SOMEHOW BE MAGICALLY STITCHED BACK TOGETHER. NO, NO ALRIGHT. NO. SO THE PATTERN OF THE DRIVE IS KIND OF WHAT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TALKING ABOUT. AND THERE, THERE IS A PATTERN IN THIS AREA OF THE STRIPES. SO I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO THE RIBBON ASK A FEW SPECIFIC QUESTIONS HERE. OKAY. IN THE, IN THE PAST WE'VE, WE'VE DEALT WITH MAINTAINING THE PATTERN BY MAKING A, A SUBTLE CHANGE IN THE MIDDLE. IN OTHER WORDS, NOT POURING TWO STRIPS OF CONCRETE AND FILLING IT IN WITH SOMETHING ELSE. BUT YOU CAN MORE OR LESS MAKE A SLAB WITH A DEPRESSION IN THE MIDDLE AND INCLUDE A THIN PAVER SO THAT THE PATTERN AND THE TEXTURE, UH, OF THE RIBBON DRIVE IS MAINTAINED AS A HISTORIC ELEMENT. UM, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY THAT, THAT THE, UH, CENTER OF THE DRIVEWAY COULD BE RENDERED IN A DIFFERENT MATERIAL TO MAINTAIN THE PATTERN? OR IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE? IT'S, IT'S NOT AT ALL CLOSE TO LEVEL. AND I'VE DRIVEN AROUND THE AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 'CAUSE I ALSO LIVE IN, IN THE MONTICELLO AREA. AND, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN FILLED, I, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY OF A PAVER THAT'S BEEN USED, BUT IT ALL SEEMS TO GET KICKED UP ANYWAY OVER TIME. WELL, WELL TYPICALLY IT'S, IT'S POURED AS A CONTINUOUS DRIVEWAY. SO IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE DRIVEWAY YOU'RE ASKING FOR. BUT WITH THE ALLOWANCE OF A MATERIAL TO EXIST IN THE PATTERN IN THE MIDDLE, THAT SHOWS A CHANGE IN MATERIAL. SO YOU'RE SAYING IT, UH, KEEP THE, THE RIBBON THAT'S THERE AND POUR IN BETWEEN OR NO, IT WOULD BE A NEW DRIVEWAY, THE FULL WIDTH. MM-HMM. , THE TWO RIBBONS WOULD BE POURED AT THE, THE HEIGHT THAT THEY ARE. BUT THE CENTER WOULD BE POURED WITH THE RIBBONS, BUT RECESSED ENOUGH TO PUT A BRICK PAVER OR SOMETHING IN IT. SO IT'D ALL BE MONOLITHIC CONCRETE, UH, INCLUDING THE RIBBONS AND BELOW THE BRICK. BUT IT WOULD READ AS A RIBBON DRIVE. SO STRUCTURALLY YOU WOULD GET A FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, BUT BETWEEN THE RIBBONS THERE WOULD BE A, A BRICK PAVER TO DIFFERENTIATE THE RIBBONS. I GUESS ALL I CAN SAY TO THAT IS THAT I'VE, I'VE, I'VE CIRCLED THAT WHOLE AREA OVER AND OVER AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I ALSO SUSPECT THAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD, AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT EVEN A FACTOR, BUT THAT WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER THAN JUST POURING, UM, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY OR THE FULL SLAB DRIVEWAY. AND THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. I THINK THAT THE, WHEN YOU, YOU MENTIONED COSTS, SO, UM, AND YOU MENTIONED DRIVING AROUND, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. BUT WHAT, WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT IN THE AREA THAT THIS IS, THIS IS HOW IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET ACROSS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SYMPATHETIC ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET DONE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR YOU TO STILL HAVE THE RIBBON DRIVE. BUT THEN, UM, AS THE CHAIRMAN STATED, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE THAT THIS SLIGHT, UM, VARIATION THAT WILL STILL GIVE YOU WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT THEN STILL MEET WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I, I JUST, I MEAN LIKE ON THIS ONE BLOCK, THERE'S JUST ONE OTHER, UM, HOME THAT HAS THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY TODAY AND THOSE THAT HAVE FILLED IT IN, YOU SAW THE STATE OF DISREPAIR THAT THAT IS IN. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, UM, IF THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER HOME IN THAT ONE BLOCK THAT HAS MAINTAINED THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE PRESERVING. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S HARDLY ANYTHING LEFT IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. WELL, ONE THING WE DON'T KNOW IS WHEN SOME OF THE OTHER RIBBON DRIVEWAYS THAT HAVE BEEN FILLED IN WILL COME AND ASK FOR THEIR DRIVEWAY TO BE REPLACED. AND AT THAT POINT WE WOULD ALSO LOOK AT, UH, RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH SOME SORT OF INFILL IN THE MIDDLE. UM, MA'AM, I THINK THERE, THERE'S TWO, TWO, UM, THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ONE IS THAT THE RIBBON DRIVE IS THIS RIBBON DRIVE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , WHICH IS LESS CONCRETE AND [03:55:01] IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER TO DO THE RIBBON DRIVE THE WAY THAT IT IS. BUT THE OTHER, UM, SUGGESTION THAT, MY FEELING IS THAT, THAT, THAT IT WOULD GET A, A MAJORITY THAT WOULD WOULD AGREE IS, IS JUST THAT THE CONCRETE DOES THIS AND THEN IT STEPS DOWN AND THEN DOES THAT AND IT STEPS UP AND IT, AND IT GOES LIKE THIS. AND THAT GAP IN THE MIDDLE, YOU FILL IT IN WITH A, WITH A BRICK RIGHT. MATERIAL. SO THE CENTER IS BRICKED. I WAS AT HOME DEPOT THE OTHER DAY, I'M JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. I WAS AT HOME DEPOT THE OTHER DAY AND THEY HAVE A MATERIAL THERE THAT I WAS SURPRISED THAT THEY SOLD. AND IT'S A HALF A BRICK, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A FULL BRICK, BUT IT'S REALLY A THIN BRICK, LIKE WHAT THEY USED IN THE CITIES TO MAKE LOOK LIKE EVERYTHING'S BRICK PAVED. SO THE INDENTION, THEY PROBABLY FORM IT OUT OF A TWO BY FOUR. IT, IT, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD FIND A CONCRETE PERSON THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A GOOD DEAL ON IT. THE EXTRA EXPENSE WOULD PROBABLY BE THAT, THAT CENTER BRICK, BUT YOU WOULD GET YOUR FULL, YOUR FULL DRIVEWAY NOW, OTHERWISE DOING THE RIBBON TO STRIP TWO STRIPS OF CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, WELL, I'VE TALKED TO THE PERSON, UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY MORE WORK TO, TO LAY, LAY OUT THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY. THE LABOR IS PART OF WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN I SUSPECT THAT THE COST OF FILLING IT WITH THE BRICK OR THAT HALF BRICK WAS PROBABLY IN ADDITION TO THE COST. SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MUCH MORE COSTLY. UM, CAN YOU PULL UP, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. CAN YOU PULL UP THE IMAGES OF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE FILLED WITH CONCRETE AND THOSE WOULD BE AT, UM, 4 19, 4 28 AND 4 24 19, 4 20, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS 4 28. AND THEN THERE IS ASPHALT AT 4 27 COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU'LL FORGIVE ME FOR HAVING A CHANGE OF HEART ON THIS. UM, THE IDEA OF MAKING A RECESS FOR A BRICK MATERIAL REALLY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, WHEN THE MATERIALS ARE SHOWN AS BEING, UH, BETWEEN A RIBBON RIBBON DRIVE, I MEAN, ALL I'M SEEING IS ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. UH, I WOULD FIND, UH, A CONCRETE DRIVE WITH SCORE LINES THAT MARKED THE RIBBON DRIVE IN, UH, IN PRETTY PRECISELY THE LOCATION TO BE APPROPRIATE. I'M GONNA CHIME IN. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WILL ACTUALLY, UM, MAYBE MORE ON THE QUINTEN SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THAT HOME IS. BUT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALL FILLED, UH, CONCRETE SLAB. SO I WOULD MOVE, I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT WITHOUT ANY PATTERN, BASICALLY THAT MOTION. I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THE FIRST STOOD I WOULD, I WOULD SECOND IT WITH THE SCORES. IT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH TO DO THE SCORES AND IT KEEPS THE SPIRIT OF THE DESIGN. I WANT TO, I, I THINK THE SCORES ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE PATTERN THAT'S THERE AND THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WE'RE KEEPING. SO I MOVED TO APPROVE, UM, WITH SCORE LINES MARKING, UM, THE ORIGINAL, UH, EXTENT OF THE RIBBON DRIVES. I SECOND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY NAY. NAYYY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. I, I APOLOGIZE. BUT WHAT IS, SO YOU'LL HAVE YOUR FULL WIDTH DRIVEWAY. OKAY. BEFORE YOU TEAR OUT THE RIBBONS, HAVE YOUR CONTRACTOR MEASURE HOW WIDE THEY ARE. OKAY. AND THEN THE FULL LENGTH OF YOUR DRIVEWAY, YOU'LL ASK 'EM TO DO A SCORE LINE LIKE THEY WOULD, UH, IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. YES. OKAY, I WILL DO THAT. BUT THOSE TWO RIBBONS STILL READ, BUT YOU'LL HAVE YOUR, THE FULL WIDTH DRIVEWAY. OKAY. AND THEY'RE SOMETIMES CALLED LIKE EXPANSION, UH, CONTROL JOINTS. OKAY. THANK YOU. CASE NUMBER B 20. [B-20 19-8838 Address/Description: 418 MISSION ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-701 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Denise Scheff-Crittenden Request: Amendment to rear addition windows, front porch reconstruction City Council Dist.: 1] AGENDA ITEM 20 19 7 0 1 AT FOUR 18 MISSION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FENESTRATION PATTERN IN WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE REAR ADDITION, AND TWO, TO RESTORE THE FRONT PORCH DECK AND BALCONY SLOPE. DAFT DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE AMENDMENT TO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FENESTRATION PROFILE AND WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. THE WINDOWS ON THE REAR ADDITION SHOULD MEET THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS PER FINDING. C STAFF FINDS THAT THE RAISED SILL HEIGHT, UNEQUALS SIZES, FULL LIGHT CONFIGURATION, FROSTED GLASS AND NAILING FINS ARE DEPARTURE FROM THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS AND THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO PORCH AND BALCONY RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE FRONT PORCH AND BALCONY FEATURE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOULD DECKING LAID PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE. [04:00:01] AND TWO, THAT THE BALCONY FEATURES A SUBTLE SLOPE, TRADITIONAL WOOD RAILING AND MATCHING COLUMNS AND DECKING TO THAT OF THE FIRST FLOOR. AND, UH, CASE COMMENT, THIS PROPERTY WAS FOUND TO, UH, HAVE WINDOWS INSTALLED, UH, PRIOR, UH, THAT DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVAL IN 2016. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO, UH, REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO THAT AS INSTALLED. I'M DENISE, CHEF CRITTENDEN, AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND, BOB CRITTENDEN. UM, WE ACQUIRED THIS HOUSE JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. UM, WE WERE TOLD THAT, UM, THE APPROVALS WERE MET FOR THE WINDOWS. WE WERE NOT GIVEN ANY SPECIFIC DETAILS. I CAME AND GOT A PERMIT FOR THE WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE PLAN IS TO RESTORE ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. IT'S A HUGE PROJECT. WE HAVE THE WEIGHTS, WE HAVE THE, THE, UM, UH, UH, THE, UM, ORIGINAL WINDOWS. UM, WE'VE ALSO PURCHASED FOUR ADDITIONAL, UH, HISTORIC WINDOWS FROM A NEIGHBOR IN LAVACCA WHO IS RESTORING, UM, THAT WE'RE HOPING MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON, ON SOME OF THESE HERE, UM, THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER. UM, I'M GONNA LET MY HUSBAND TALK AFTER YOU GUYS ASK QUESTIONS. UM, BUT ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IS WE FINISHED OUT ONE OF THE WINDOWS SO THAT YOU COULD SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE RIGHT THERE. UM, THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE HAS THE, UM, UH, SCREEN WINDOWS AND WE PLAN ON PUTTING SCREENS EVERYWHERE, EVEN ON TOP OF THE FROSTED WINDOWS, WHICH ARE IN OUR CLOSET AND OUR MASTER BEDROOM, MASTER BATHROOM UPSTAIRS. UM, JUST TO HELP KEEP THE, UM, CONTINUITY OF THE HOUSE AND, AND THE WAY THE WINDOWS WILL LOOK. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WE WERE PERMITTED TO DO THE WINDOWS. CAN I GET A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON, ON THE APPROVAL AND THE SIZES OF THE WINDOWS? WERE THE DIMENSIONS SHOWN OR WAS IT JUST LABELED THAT DESCRIBED AS BEING THE SAME PROPORTIONS? THE WINDOWS ON THE DRAWINGS, WHICH I'LL PULL UP, WAS TO MATCH THE SIZES AND CONFIGURATION OF THE, UH, EXISTING WINDOWS. WELL, AND I WILL FURTHER CLARIFY. SO THESE DRAWINGS CAME IN 2016 AND ADMITTEDLY WE DO A BETTER JOB ABOUT REQUIRING WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS AND IN THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED AND BASICALLY A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS WERE MADE. WE MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WERE JUST GONNA MATCH THE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE. WE NEVER REALLY HAD A SPECIFICATION. AND SO NOTHING WAS EVER PROVIDED TO, UM, THE APPLICANT. UM, AND WAS THERE ANY LANGUAGE ABOUT MATCHING THE SIZE AND THE HOLD, HOLD ON. WHEN I PURCHASED THE HOUSE AND I HAVE WRITING FROM H D R C, THEY SAID ALL APPROVALS WOULD TRANSFER. SO YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT AND OKAY. WAS THERE LANGUAGE ABOUT THEM MATCHING IN THAT APPROVAL OR WAS THAT, UM, WE'D HAVE TO PULL IT UP, BUT I MEAN, YES, THE, THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE REQUEST WAS THAT THEY WOULD MATCH AND SO THERE WAS NO REASON TO COMMENT FURTHER WINDOWS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT ARE BEING INSTALLED. ARE THEY ALUMINUM? THEY ARE ALUMINUM. UM, WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH ARE ORIGINAL OR WILL BE RESTORED TO ORIGINAL, I THINK TO SIMPLIFY OUR ARGUMENT IS THAT WE PROPOSE CO CLADDING THE HOUSE IN SCREENS WHICH MATCH THE AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WITH THE, WITH THE SCREENS IN PLACE, UH, FROM THE STREET OR ANYWHERE AROUND THE HOUSE, IT WILL LOOK JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER WINDOW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THE DIMENSIONS AS ARE AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET, THEY ARE EVEN, EVEN THE NEW ONES ARE, THEY'RE CUSTOM. UM, IN, IN ADDITION, THERE ARE A FEW WINDOWS THAT WERE ENLARGED AND WE UNDER, UH, THERE'S TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE PROBABLY TOO BIG AND THEN THERE'S A KI UH, THE KITCHEN SINK WINDOW DOUGH IS PROBABLY TOO BIG. AND WE, WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, WILLING TO CHANGE THOSE TWO BACK [04:05:01] TO THE, UH, LIKE A SLIM, UH, ORIGINAL SIZE. THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION TOO. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED AND YOU HAD THAT PLAN THAT SHOWS EQUAL SIZE WINDOWS ALL ALONG, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'VE ACTUALLY PUT IN EQUAL SIZE WINDOWS SIZE. UM, OUR CONTRACTOR SAID THAT HE HAD TO GO SHORTER BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN IT'S, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN 24 INCHES FROM THE SILL TO THE FLOOR. BUT YOU DIDN'T GO BACK TO O H P TO ASK FOR A MODIFICATION ON THAT? I JUST, I JUST CAME TO O H P TO GET A PERMIT BASED ON INFORMATION. AND AT THAT TIME I WAS PERMITTED AND THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PICTURES WITH THE ACTUAL MULLENS OR MUTTONS. AND BASICALLY I PROBABLY WOULD'VE APPLIED FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF THEY WOULD'VE SAID, ALL YOUR WINDOWS NEED TO LOOK LIKE THIS WITH THOSE MULLENS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW THE SIDE WINDOWS ON THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. THERE'S ONLY ONE WINDOW AT THE HOUSE. IT'S FRONT FACING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT ABOUT THE MOANS. I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE PAST THAT NOW. AND THE MOCKUP TO YOUR FLUSH. SO THE SCREEN WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIKE OUTSIDE THAT ADDITIONAL, RIGHT. THAT IS THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE. THAT IS THE MOCKUP WITH THE SCREEN. WELL, I WASN'T HAVING A HARD TIME TAKING. SO THE SCREEN IS THAT, THAT ONE WINDOW WITH TRIM FLUSH, WE DID THAT ONE WINDOW AS AN EXAMPLE AND THAT SCREEN'S FLUSH WITH THE TRIM. I, I THINK I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR HERE. I APPRECIATE YOU WAITING SO LONG TO TALK TO US. THE, UH, THE WITH THE WINDOW TYPE AND THE MODIFICATIONS IN THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW I DO NOT THINK IS EVEN CLOSE TO BEING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD APPROVE TODAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. I THINK THOUGH ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE AND THE SIZE OPENINGS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE, I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED AND MAYBE THESE SIZES WERE PREVIOUSLY MODIFIED. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS MODIFIED AND WHAT WASN'T. SO I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TIME MAKING SENSE OF THAT AT THIS MOMENT. ADDITIONALLY, I DO WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. THE DRAWINGS DON'T ADEQUATELY IN MY MIND DESCRIBE WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BECAUSE UM, OFTENTIMES THEY DON'T THE LANGUAGE, THE LANGUAGE IN THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME. BUT I'M, I'M IN A LITTLE BIT OF A CONUNDRUM WHAT TO DO HERE. I AGREE. I MEAN, EITHER SHOULD BE, I THINK MAYBE EVEN A SITE VISIT. WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE WITH A LOT OF APPLICANTS TO ALSO GET AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A TYPE OF COMPROMISE INCOME IN THIS CASE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALL YOUR FAULT. AND, AND THAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A BIG SOLUTION. THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS, IT'S AN ENORMOUS COST. IT'S GONNA BE AN ENORMOUS COST TO RESTORE THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE. AND I THINK WE JUST NEED ALSO WHEN WE DO THAT AND WE TRY TO FIND WAYS OF MITIGATING OR IF THE SCREENS MAYBE, I THINK A SITE VISIT WILL ALSO MAKE US THAT TURN DETERMINATION AND MAYBE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DEPENDING ON ALSO THE STREET VIEW ON THAT, I WOULD MOVE THIS TO A SITE VISIT TO YOUR C SIDE, MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HOST US ON THE SITE TO WALK US THROUGH THE WINDOWS? YEAH, WE'D LOVE THAT. PRIOR, PRIOR TO ANY MOTION. I I, UM, I KINDA FEEL THAT, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO BE KINDA REDIRECT. I HAVEN'T SEEN WINDOWS LIKE THIS APPROVED HERE BEFORE AND WE, IF, IF THE INTENT IN THE LONG RUN IS TO, YOU KNOW, BREAK THE NEWS TO THEM THAT, THAT THESE ARE NOT THE WINDOWS THAT I MEAN, I MEAN THIS ISN'T LIKE A DIRECT, UH, CONTRADICTION TO SO MANY HARDSHIP CASES. I WOULD NOT MAKE ANY. UM, I MEAN THAT'S WHY I WOULD NOT, A MOTION TODAY WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE IN THEIR FAVOR. SO A SITE VISIT WOULD PROBABLY HELP MITIGATE THAT. SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES. SO STAFF WILL COORDINATE A, UM, MEETING WITH YOU AND SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL COME OUT AND REVIEW THE WINDOWS AND THE INSTALLATION AND THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THANK YOU. BYE. THAT'LL BE NEXT WEEK. STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU. THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS. YEAH, IF YOU HAVE NO RUSH YET. AGENDA ITEM [B-21 19-8934 Address/Description: 507 N MONUMENTAL HDRC Case No.: 2019-666 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Steve Santos Request: Side yard fence City Council Dist.: 2] B 21, CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 66 AT 5 0 7 NORTH MONUMENTAL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FIVE FOOT TALL SIDE YARD FENCE FEATURING WOOD POSTS TOPPED WITH TWO FOOT TALL CORRUGATED METAL PANELS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FENCE AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH F. A SIMPLE WOOD PRIVACY FENCE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR HEIGHT. CASE COMMENT. UPON SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION ON NOVEMBER 1ST, [04:10:01] THE APPLICANT DISCLOSED THAT THE FENCE HAD ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED TO EXPEDITE A PRIVACY NEED APPLICANT HERE PLEASE DE SANTOS, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. UM, I WILL REMIND COMMISSIONERS THIS IS A, A, UM, COMPLIANCE CASE. UM, WE DO HAVE UNTIL THE END OF THIS MONTH TO TAKE ACTION SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY POSTPONE TO ANOTHER HEARING. THIS WAS PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY POSTPONED FROM THE NOVEMBER HEARING. SO WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS ONE FOR A LITTLE BIT. I'M JUST ASKING, IS THE APPLICANT NOT SHOWING UP BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE IN HIS INTEREST AS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, WORK SCHEDULING ISSUES. UM, I I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CHAIR TO, I MEAN MAKE A MOTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, UH, SET SAY THE MOTION. THAT WOULD BE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE IMAGES, I CAN'T SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THINK THAT WOULD BE A DENIED THAT THE COMMISSION DENIAL OF GETTING A MAJORITY VOTE TO APPROVE IT. I JUST CAN'T SEE IT. YEAH. SO IF THIS WAS NOT BEING ABLE TO DO JUST A NORMAL PRIVACY FENCE, SIX FEET WITH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO RETURN HERE. OKAY. SO, SO IS A MOTION NECESSARY OR NO? CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, CONTINUE. OR DO YOU WANT TO DENY? UH, I WANT YOU TO, TO, TO DENY BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR I'M LEARNING HOW TO, FOR DENIAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. SAY NAY. MOTION PASSES. MOTION CHAIR APPROVE MINUTES FROM [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for November 20, 2019] NOVEMBER 20TH, 2019. I HAVE A SECOND FOR MINUTES. SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. WE'RE OUTTA HERE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.