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OKAY, FOLKS, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM YET.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT COUNCILWOMAN SULLIVAN IS, IS, UH, ON HER WAY.
AND, UM, WE ARE STILL HUNTING DOWN OUR THREE, UM, CIVILIANS WHO SIT ON THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, AND, UH, I HOPE THEY'RE OKAY.
IT'S RAINY AND, AND, UH, UGLY OUTSIDE, SO ONE CAN UNDERSTAND.
UH, I, I WAS, I'M GLAD TO BE HERE, UH, AND I'M GLAD YOU MADE IT.
COUNCILMAN, UH, SANDRA, UM, H SORRY.
[3. 19-9163 Briefing on Small Cell Deployment and 5G within the City of San Antonio [Brian Dillard, Director, Office of Innovation]]
UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST GONNA GET A BRIEFING TODAY.UH, ISN'T THAT RIGHT, MR. PITTER? THAT'S PERFECT.
AND, UH, SO BRIAN DILLARD, UH, IT'S YOUR SHOW.
UH, SO, UH, BRIAN DILLARD, CHIEF INNOVATION OFFICER FOR THE CITY.
UM, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, WE WERE ASKED TO PRESENT ON FIVE G.
UH, THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH THE CHAIRMAN WAS, UH, THAT WE'RE ALL EXCITED ABOUT FIVE G, UM, BUT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY TO A FULL, FULL DEPTH.
UM, SO, UH, TODAY, UH, MYSELF AND MARCUS HAMMER FROM T C I'LL BE SPEAKING ON KIND OF THE CITY SIDE OF, UH, SMALL CELL, UH, PERMITTING.
UM, WHEN I, WHEN I'M PRESENTING, I'LL BE PRESENTING ON, UH, FIVE G SPECIFICALLY ON HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE IN SMART CITIES AND THAT KIND OF, UH, CONNECTED COMMUNITIES.
UH, AND THEN WE'LL TRANSITION OVER TO AT AND T AND OUR VERIZON REPS.
UM, THEY'LL COME UP HERE AND, UH, KIND OF LA AND APPLAUD ABOUT FIVE G AND TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THAT.
UH, SO WE'LL, UH, START OFF HERE WITH KIND OF A REFRESHER ON THE SMARTS, A VISION, WHICH IS OUR SMART CITIES PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
REMINDERS IS A PARTNERSHIP AMONG NINE PARTNERS.
CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS THE BRAND OWNER, BRAND DRIVER, AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH C P S SAS, UM, U T SS A SAHA, AND, UH, SEVERAL OTHERS.
UH, BUT I WANTED TO REFRESH US ON THE VISION, UM, WHICH IS BUILDING A CONNECTED, INCLUSIVE, AND RESILIENT COMMUNITY SUPPORTING A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE.
UH, SO AS WE BEGIN TO SPEAK ABOUT THE FIVE G CAPABILITIES, UH, WITHIN SMART CITIES AND CONNECTED COMMUNITIES, I WANT US TO KEEP THOSE IN IN MIND.
UH, SO FIRST OF ALL, KIND OF THE INCREASE OF I O T DEVICES, UH, DEFINITELY IMPACT CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY.
UH, THE ESTIMATES FOR, UH, CELLULAR IT I O T DEVICES, UH, ARE JUMPING UP TO ABOUT 3.5 BILLION.
UH, THAT COMES FROM ABOUT 700 MILLION IN 2017.
UH, AS THOSE I O IOT DEVICES INCREASE, OF COURSE, CELLULAR CAPACITY NEEDS TO INCREASE WITH IT.
UH, SO THAT'S WHERE FIVE G KIND OF COMES INTO PLAY A LITTLE BIT MORE, ALLOWING MORE CAPACITY.
UH, ANOTHER THING TO TO CONSIDER IS THAT CITIES ARE GROWING MUCH MORE DENSE.
UH, 55% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION RIGHT NOW LIVES IN CITIES, AND IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 68% IN 2050.
UH, SAN ANTONIO IS NO OUTLIER.
WITH THAT STATISTICS, WE SEE THE, UH, URBAN GROWTH AND URBAN RENEWAL IN SAN, IN SAN ANTONIO DAY AFTER DAY.
UH, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TRIED TO POST, UH, A VIDEO OR A PHOTO FROM A SPURS GAME, AND YOU CAN'T QUITE GET IT TO UPLOAD? UH, THAT'S KIND OF REFLECTIVE OF WHAT HAPPENS IN CITIES AS IT BECOMES MORE SATURATED WITH FOLKS USING CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY, UH, ESPECIALLY, UH, IN, IN AREAS LIKE OURS.
UH, ANOTHER GOOD STATISTIC IS THE HIGHEST USERS OF IOT CELLULAR CAPACITY IN 2020 ARE ESTIMATED TO BE UTILITIES.
UH, SO LOOKING AT CENSORING AND MONITORING, UM, WE BRIEFED ON A SMART STREETLIGHT, R F P THAT WE'RE DOING WITH C P S KIND OF GIVES YOU A REFLECTION ON WHAT TYPE OF USES WE'LL BE USING, POTENTIALLY USING FIVE G WITH WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, UTILITIES.
UH, THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY, SO SPEAKING ON CONNECTED VEHICLES, UH, AND YOU SEE V TWO X UP THERE, THAT'S VEHICLE TO VEHICLE COMMUNICATION OR VEHICLE TO INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PUBLIC TRANSIT AND HOW THEY MAY COMMUNICATE WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR EVEN EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLES, UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY COMMUNICATE, THAT'S ALL BASED ON CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS.
UH, SO WE WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
ALSO, JUST GENERAL TRAFFIC MONITORING, UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN UTILIZE TECHNOLOGY ON A CELLULAR BASIS IN ORDER TO UPLOAD MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF DATA COMING IN.
AND THEN LAST IS, UH, HEALTHCARE.
SO HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE A APPLE WATCH ON IN THE ROOM? I DO.
UM, SO, UH, JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT GENERAL HEALTHCARE MONITORING IS BECOMING MORE OF AN INCREASING VALUE FOR FOLKS, AND THEY'RE, UH, REALLY TAPPING INTO THAT.
IN ADDITION TO THE TELEHEALTH, UH, OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MAY HAVE FOR SOME OF OUR SENIORS.
UH, SOME ADDITIONAL DEPENDENCIES OR FUTURE ACCESS TO SERVICES.
SO UNDERSTANDING HOW FOLKS ENGAGE WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH, UH, VIDEO INTERFACE, UH, THAT UTILIZES A LOT OF CELLULAR CAPACITY FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE A WIRELESS INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE OR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO BEGIN WITH, UH, TRANSPORTATION.
SO THE SCOTERS, UH, THE, UH, BIKE SHARE TYPE, UH, CAPABILITIES, THOSE ALL RUN ON CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, IS OUR DIGITAL INCLUSION ASPECT.
UH, I'M SURE YOU SAW IN THE NEWS, UM, LAST WEEK, UH, WHERE S I S D DISTRIBUTED FREE HOTSPOTS TO A LOT OF THEIR STUDENTS.
UH, SHOUT OUT TO S I S D, BUT THAT
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KIND OF SHOWS YOU HOW MORE OF OUR DIGITAL INCLUSION, UM, SOLUTIONS ARE GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY.UH, SO WE WANTED TO PRESENT KIND OF SOME, UH, HIGH LEVEL ITEMS WHILE WHERE FIVE G WILL BE UTILIZED IN THE SMART AND CONNECTED COMMUNITIES.
UH, AND THEN I'M GONNA JUMP OVER TO MARCUS, BUT BEFORE I DO THAT, KIND OF WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS, UH, GRAPH, UH, REGARDING CELL, UH, SMART, UH, OR SMALL CELL TOWERS AND KIND OF HOW THESE DEPLOY.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, DEPENDING ON MACRO CELL TOWERS AND, UH, TRADITIONAL CELLULAR TOWERS, BUT AS, UH, THOSE, THE SATURATION NUMBERS GO UP WITHIN OUR CITIES, UH, WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR MORE CAPACITY.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE SMALL CELL POLES COME INTO PLAY, IS CREATING MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, THAT BANDWIDTH TO BE SPREAD AMONG, UH, THESE COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND I THINK I'M GONNA LET MARCUS TAKE OVER FROM HERE, AND WE'LL GO INTO KIND OF SMALL CELL PERMITTING AND WHAT T C I IS DOING, UH, WITH THAT REGARD FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I APPRECIATE THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SMALL CELL PERMITTING AND KIND OF WHAT WE'VE DONE TO, UH, BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LAW WITH, SO HERE WE GO.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, UM, ESSENTIALLY THREE YEARS OF, UH, SMALL CELL APPLICATIONS COMING INTO THE CITY NOW.
SO THE, WE REALLY STARTED TO SEE THIS IN, IN 2017.
UH, AND REALLY KIND OF GOING THROUGH 2019, UH, THE, THE KEY THING TO REMEMBER, AND I THINK THAT REALLY WHAT I'LL WALK THROUGH IN THIS PRESENTATION IS, IS THAT IN 2015, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, REALLY DUE TO LACK OF STATE AND FEDERAL GUIDELINES, WE WERE ALREADY WORKING WITH THESE CARRIERS, UM, AND CREATING, UH, FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM TO ALLOW THEM TO GAIN ACCESS INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND NOW, IN 2017, UM, WE ACTUALLY, UH, WITH THE PASSAGE OF SENATE BILL 10 0 4, UH, THAT REALLY KIND OF STANDARDIZED, UH, THE, THE SMALL SALE, I GUESS, DEPLOYMENT FROM A STATEWIDE DESIGN PERSPECTIVE AND REVENUE PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH REALLY A LITTLE BIT PRE AND POST SB 10 0 4 AND HOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.
AND, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE GENERAL NUMBERS, RIGHT? SO WITHIN THREE YEARS, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY HAD OVER A THOUSAND PERMITS, UM, SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR SMALL CELL APPLICATIONS.
UM, 2019, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE INCREASE REALLY WENT UP ALMOST, UH, 700 APPLICATIONS.
AND THEN IN 2019, YOU KNOW, YOU START TO SEE THE POWER PERMITS FOR THESE TO GET THESE POLES LIVE REALLY ESCALATE.
SO, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE OVER THE 800 POWER, UH, POWER PERMITS, UM, SO HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOME PRE SB 10 0 4 EXAMPLES.
THESE ARE PROPRIETARY POLES THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, UM, BY THE, THE WIRELESS CARRIERS.
THESE ARE ACTUAL, SO THEY OWN THESE POLES RIGHT HERE.
UM, SO THE FAR LEFT DOWN THERE ON THE END, THAT IS A WOOD POLE.
IT'S A PROPRIETARY POLE OWNED BY AT AND T.
YOU CAN SEE IN ALL OF THESE SCENARIOS, MOSTLY IT'S, IT'S EITHER EXTERNAL CONDUIT, UM, AND EXTERNAL ATTACHED EQUIPMENT, OR EITHER LARGER EQUIPMENT.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE ONE WITH VERIZON, IT'S A LARGE DIAMETER POLL, LARGE, UH, EQUIPMENT ATTACHED TO THE POLL.
UM, NOW AS WE START TO, TO LOOK AT REALLY THE POST SIDE OF IT, AFTER THE SENATE BILL WAS PASSED, AND AS WE BEGIN TO ENGAGE AND WORK WITH THE, THE WIRELESS CARRIERS ON, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUR, OUR, WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AESTHETIC LOOKING POLLS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU START TO SEE THE EVOLUTION OF THIS DESIGN IN THEIR POLES.
SO, UM, HERE ARE JUST SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
UM, YOU CAN LOOK AT ONE THAT'S, UH, STREAMLINED PAINTED BLACK, RIGHT? IT HAS JUST ALL INTERNAL CONDUIT EQUIPMENT'S PAINTED TO MATCH.
UH, SAME WITH THE ONE THAT ON THE, UH, THE SECOND SIDE IT HAS, UH, WHERE THE, THE, THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE IN THE MEDICAL CENTER.
UM, SO EQUIPMENT'S ALL STAGED INTO A CABINET ON THE SIDE.
IT MATCHES ALL THE POLES WITHIN THE MEDICAL CENTER.
YOU DO HAVE, UM, THE EXTERNAL CONDUIT WITH THE METER ON THE POLE, BUT YOU RUN THROUGH THIS SCENARIO OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHERE IN WORKING IN COL WITH THE, WITH THE PROVIDERS, WE'RE ABLE TO STREAMLINE THE AESTHETICS OF SOME OF THESE POLES AND REALLY START TO DEPLOY, UH, IN A MORE EFFECTIVE MANNER WITHIN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, HERE AGAIN, SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A PRE SSB 10 0 4, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL POLE.
UH, SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS EXTERNAL EQUIPMENT, AGAIN, ON SIDE OF THE POLES.
AND BECAUSE THE CITY, UM, HAD CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING LIVE POWER ON THE POLE, SO YOU DON'T SEE THE, THE METER BOX ON THIS POLE, WE ACTUALLY UTILIZE JUST THE STANDARD, UH, C P SS METER BOX RIGHT THERE.
AND PER STATE LAW, THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO INSTALL, UH, A CABINET ELECTRICAL CABINET, WHICH IS THREE AND A HALF FOOT BY THREE AND A HALF FOOT BY THREE AND A FOOT.
SO REALLY A, A LARGE EQUIP, UH, EQUIPMENT CABINET.
AND AGAIN, OVER HERE, THIS IS THE SAME THING WE'RE JUST POINTING OUT, UH, REALLY WHAT YOU CAN START HAVING, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY HAVING, UH, A METER CABINET OUT THERE, SAY FOR YOUR TRAFFIC SIGNAL, PLUS ONE PER CARRIER.
SO YOU COULD END UP WITH ESSENTIALLY FIVE CABINETS OUT THERE, WHICH COULD IMPACT YOUR RELIABILITY, SAY FROM VEHICLES STRIKING THEM, DOING THINGS TO YOUR, TO YOUR, TO YOUR SYSTEM.
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UM, AND SO AS ALL THIS STARTED TO BEGIN TO ROLL OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED TO REALLY COORDINATE WITH C P SS AND SAY, HEY, WHAT KIND OF ALTERNATE METERING SOLUTIONS WOULD BE OUT THERE? LET'S START RESEARCHING THIS.LET'S TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN, YOU KNOW, REALLY EVALUATE SOME, SOME WAYS TO REDUCE THE GROUND FURNITURE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THESE AND MAYBE ENHANCE THE AESTHETICS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO ALONG WITH THESE WITHIN OUR CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND HERE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS THAT WE PILOTED TO TRY TO WORK WITH THE, THE PROVIDERS IN THEIR TECHNOLOGY, UM, WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN.
UM, AND THIS IS AN ACTUAL INSTALL.
THIS IS ONE THAT, UM, IS DOWN AT, UH, ALAMO MARKET.
UH, SO WE, WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH THEM AND I, I THINK EVERYBODY AT THIS POINT KNOWS PACIFIC GAS AND ELECTRIC, SO THAT WE, WE RESEARCHED THOSE GUYS OUTTA CALIFORNIA.
I THINK THEY'RE NOTORIOUS FOR ALL THE FIRES AND
SO, BUT I MEAN, THIS WAS A UNIQUE SOLUTION, RIGHT? SO INSTEAD OF HAVING ANOTHER METER CABINET IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE DID A ONE FOR ONE.
WE ESSENTIALLY WORKED WITH THE PROVIDERS, C P SS, OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, LIKE SOLID WASTE AND, AND REALIZED, LOOK, WE CAN, INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT METER CABINET OUT THERE, JUST HAVE, UH, A RECYCLE BIN HALF AND HALF POWER DISCONNECT METER IN THERE, AND YOU DON'T ADD, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT OUT THERE, WHICH IS REALLY, YOU THINK ABOUT, THIS IS ONE OF OUR BIG AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A TON OF, UH, DIFFERENT EVENTS COME THROUGH THERE.
SO IT JUST DOESN'T, UH, IMPACT THAT AT ANY, ANY MANNER.
BUT THEN AGAIN, NO LIVE POWER ON THE POLE, VERY AESTHETICALLY CLEAN SHROUD SHROUDED EQUIPMENT AT THE TOP.
UM, BUT HIGH LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE ALTERED METER METERING SOLUTIONS, THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS.
C P S HAD TO UPGRADE THEIR BILLING, UH, MECHANISMS, UM, AND REALLY TRY TO DETERMINE FROM A PILOT STANDPOINT WAS COULD THIS METER METER EVEN BE FUNCTIONAL? AND THROUGH THAT TIMEFRAME, THEY REALLY REALIZED THAT THIS, THIS COULD WORK.
UM, NOW THE, AND THE RECYCLE BIN SOLUTION TOO, REALLY WASN'T PREFERRED FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT IN THE DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU HAVE RECYCLE BINS AND TRASH CANS ON EVERY CORNER, BUT DO YOU REALLY START TO DEPLOY RECYCLE BINS AT 1604 AND FOUR 10 AND GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE? SO WE STARTED TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS TO REALLY TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT DISRUPTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, DEVELOPING A POWER RECOVERY FEE IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE MOST CONSISTENT WAY TO DEPLOY THIS.
YOU ALREADY HAVE A METER OUT THERE IF YOU ALLOW THE PROVIDERS TO GO ATTACH OR, OR UTILIZE THAT EXISTING METER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FOUR OTHER ONES OUT THERE.
SO IT, IT REALLY ELIMINATES THE CLUTTER, BUT IT ALSO CREATES A, A STANDARDIZED WAY FOR THE CITY TO KNOW HOW POWER IS UTILIZED AND WHERE THE SOURCE IS AT WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE FROM A KNOCKDOWN POWER EVENT.
UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FINDINGS THAT WE HAD OUT OF THIS WAS THAT THAT NEW HOCKEY PUCK METER THAT PG E CR HAS, HAS CREATED, CAN BE UTILIZED ON THE EXISTING VALMONT C P S STREET LIGHT POLES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE DECORATIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY UNIQUE AND, AND REALLY KIND OF A UNIQUE SITUATION HERE.
SO THAT LITTLE HOCKEY PUCK AND THE POWER DISCONNECT CAN, CAN ACTUALLY BE, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER, BUT CAN ACTUALLY BE HOUSED INSIDE OF THIS SHROUD.
SO IT ELIMINATES EVEN THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT OF HAVING ANOTHER METER CABINET ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
SO VERY UNIQUE SOLUTION TO, TO BEING ABLE TO ATTACH THAT POLE.
NOW, THE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THIS IS THAT, AGAIN, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND COORDINATION WITH C P S AND THE PROVIDERS DEVELOP, KIND OF WORKED THROUGH THIS AND DEVELOPED THIS NON-DISCRIMINATORY POLL THAT EVERYBODY COULD UTILIZE AND ATTACH THEIR EQUIPMENT TO.
UM, AND SO THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING PILOTED, UH, TO DATE, EACH PROVIDER GOT THREE LOCATIONS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN TO ROLL OUT AND TO START SUBMITTING PERMIT APPLICATIONS FOR THESE LOCATIONS.
AND HERE'S A PHOTO SIM OF WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU CAN SEE.
UM, AND SO THAT METER AND DISCONNECT WOULD ACTUALLY BE HOUSED IN THAT SMALL SHROUD AT THE BASE, AND THEN SMALL EQUIPMENT KIND OF GOING UP THE SIDE AND, UH, UP THE POLE.
SO THAT'S THEIR POLE ATTACHMENTS IN, IN THIS, UH, SPECIFIC SCENARIO.
UM, BUT I MEAN, BIG PICTURE, JUST KIND OF ITEMS IN PROGRESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, NEXT STEPS IS WE CITY STAFF NEEDS TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL SOMETIME IN THE EARLY PART OF 2020 AND REALLY AMEND OUR CHAPTER 37 AND CHAPTER 29, JUST LESSONS LEARNED FROM WHAT WE'VE LEARNED OVER THE PAST YEAR IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS STATE LAW.
AND ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE COMING, OF COURSE, WOULD BE THIS SMALL CELL EQUIPMENT AND POWER RECOVERY FEE ON, ON TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
AND, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH C P S, JUST LIKE THE, THE DOWNTOWN VALMONT POLE TO DEVELOP A, UH, STANDARD FOR THE METAL STREETLIGHT POLES THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE IN, IN THE NEWER RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND, UH, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A, A PHOTO MOCKUP OF THE SAME THING, RIGHT? YOU HAVE AN EXISTING POLE AND THEN A PROPOSED POLE, UH, WITH A 12 INCH DIAMETER WHERE YOU HAVE ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT, YOUR, IT'S YOUR METER, YOUR AND YOUR EQUIPMENT ALL HOUSED INSIDE OF IT.
SO STREAMLINED, VERY NICE, VERY AESTHETIC.
UM, UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY WITHIN THE COMPLIANCE OF THE NEW STATE LAW.
AND, UM, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MINIMIZE THE DISRUPTION TO THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, REALLY PROVIDE AND FIND UNIQUE SOLUTIONS, UH, TO ALLOW THE PROVIDERS TO GET ONTO THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POLES WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND WITH THAT SAID, I'LL TURN TIME OVER TO BACK TO BRIAN.
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WELL, BEFORE YOU TAKE OFF, I THINK, UH, COUNCILWOMAN CA HAS A QUESTION, OR DO YOU WANT TO SAVE IT? I CAN WAIT TILL THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.OR IS THERE MORE PRESENTATION? YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY OUR FRIENDS AT AT T NOW.
UH, SO YES, THE NEXT TWO SPEAKERS WILL BE FROM AT AND T AND VERIZON TO GET A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH IN WHAT THEIR TECHNOLOGY ACTUALLY OFFERS.
UH, SO FIRST UP, WE'LL HAVE JD SALINAS FROM AT AND T.
HE IS THE ASSISTANT VP OF EXTERNAL AND LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS.
WELCOME J COUNCILMAN FOR HAVING US.
WELL, THE AGGIES WILL BE IN HOUSTON THIS YEAR, UNFORTUNATELY, I, IN SAN ANTONIO CLEAN, SO, UM, SO YOU'LL KNOW WHERE I'LL BE DECEMBER 27TH, BY THE WAY.
MY NAME IS JD SALINAS, ASSISTANT VICE PRESIDENT FOR AT AND T EXTERNAL, UM, AFFAIRS.
SO WE TALK ABOUT POLLS, AND THE NEXT, THE PERSON, MY PART OF MY TEAM WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, ABOUT POLLS, BUT I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY FIVE G AND WHAT IT MIGHT DO.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA COME FROM.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST 30 YEARS AND WHERE WE'VE COME FROM ONE G TO TWO G AND THREE G, YOU KNOW, THREE G GAVE US TEXTING, FOUR G GAVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS IT, IT GAVE US, FOUR G GAVE US, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH GAMES OF THRONES AND OTHER MOVIES ON YOUR PHONES.
WHAT'S HAPPENED IN OUR INDUSTRY, AT LEAST FOR AT AND T, IS THAT 60% OF OUR TRAFFIC NOW IS NOW, NOW VIDEO, AND NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT PEOPLE TALKING ON THE PHONE ANYMORE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, WE'RE WATCHING THE SPURS, WE'RE WATCHING GAMES OF THRONES AND OTHER THINGS ON, ON OUR DEVICES.
BY THE WAY, 470,000, UH, HAS BEEN THE PERCENTAGE OF THE USE, INCREASED USE IN OUR, IN OUR CELLULAR NETWORKING SINCE 2007.
AND THAT'S NOT A MISNUMBER THREE, THREE THINGS THAT FIVE G'S GONNA DO.
ONE IS LOWER LATENCY ABOUT THAT.
IT'S BASICALLY THE TIME BETWEEN COUNCILMAN WHEN WE TEXT EACH OTHER AND HOW FAST YOU'RE GONNA GET IT AND HOW FAST THEY'RE GONNA RESPOND.
UH, UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE MY DAUGHTER'S, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA RESPOND THE NEXT DAY.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF, OF THEM, NOT BECAUSE OF THE NETWORK.
I MEAN, JUST THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE COME, COMING TO YOUR, TO YOUR DEVICE.
AND THEN FASTER SPEEDS, UH, LESS BUFFERING AND THE, THE ABILITY TO HAVE INTERNET OF THINGS ON, ON, ON THE STREETS.
UH, WE ALSO, UH, UH, EXPECT, UH, MORE FOCUSED CONSUMER APPLICATIONS, SO THE ABILITY TO HAVE MORE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND A WAY TO USE THE C P SS SO THEY CAN HAVE REAL TIME, UH, SYSTEMS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. AL IS CHECKING HOW MUCH DEMAND THERE IS ON THE C P S SYSTEM, HE CAN FIND OUT AND, AND DELIVER SOME ANSWERS.
UM, AND ALSO THE OUT, WE FEEL THAT FIVE G ADOPTION IS GONNA OUTPACE THE PREVIOUS WIRELESS GENERATIONS, AND FROM YEARS TO MONTHS, I MEAN, IT'S JUST GONNA BE MEAN.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE AN INCREDIBLE INCREASE.
AND THROUGHOUT THESE MOMENTS, WE FEEL THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF BEING A CUSTOMER, BEING SO, SO OBSESSED WITH THE NEW EXPERIENCE THAT IT'S GONNA BE JUST A, A, A HIGH HIGH DEMAND.
AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA ASK TONY TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR SYSTEM AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
BUT FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL AND YOUR STAFF, FOR EVERYBODY FROM THE LEGAL TEAM IN YOUR OFFICE TO, TO MARCUS AND HIS TEAM.
THEY HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLE, AND THEY'RE AT LEAST FOR AT AND T A NATIONAL, UH, UH, JUST GREAT TEMPLATE TO WORK WITH.
WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES ASKING AT AND T HOW WE'RE DOING IN SAN ANTONIO AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF YOUR TEAM WORKING TOGETHER, UH, WITH US.
SO, WANNA THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU FOR THAT.
TONY, YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE A LITTLE VIDEO THAT WILL DO A BETTER JOB THAN I WILL.
UH, MY NAME'S TONY CALLEN QUINN.
UM, I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED NEXIA SOLUTIONS.
UM, WE HAVE THE TURF CONTRACT FOR WIRELESS, UM, DOWN IN SOUTH TEXAS, SO WE DO FOR AT T.
UM, I SPECIFICALLY CONCENTRATE ON ALL THE SMALL CELLS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO, UM, IF WE GO TO THE, THE, UH, NEXT SLIDE HERE.
SO THIS VIDEO, IT'S A LITTLE, UM, PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS OLD.
SO, UM, YOU'LL HEAR IN SOME, SOME PARTS OF IT THAT IT'S GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS TECHNOLOGY'S COMING.
THIS IS SO, SO, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
BUT IT, IT DOES GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING RIGHT NOW.
EVERY NEW GENERATION OF WIRELESS NETWORKS DELIVERS FASTER SPEEDS AND MORE FUNCTIONALITY TO OUR SMARTPHONES.
ONE G BROUGHT US THE VERY FIRST CELL PHONES, TWO G, LET US TEXT FOR THE FIRST TIME, THREE G BROUGHT US ONLINE, AND FOUR G DELIVERED THE SPEEDS THAT WE ENJOYED TODAY.
BUT AS MORE USERS COME ONLINE, FOUR G NETWORKS HAVE JUST ABOUT REACHED THE LIMIT OF WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF.
AT A TIME WHEN USERS WANT EVEN MORE DATA FOR THEIR SMARTPHONES AND DEVICES, NOW WE'RE HEADED TOWARD FIVE G.
THE NEXT GENERATION OF WIRELESS,
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IT WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE A THOUSAND TIMES MORE TRAFFIC THAN TODAY'S NETWORKS, AND IT'LL BE UP TO 10 TIMES FASTER THAN FOUR G L T E.JUST IMAGINE DOWNLOADING AN HD MOVIE IN UNDER A SECOND, AND THEN LET YOUR IMAGINATION RUN WILD.
FIVE G WILL BE THE FOUNDATION FOR VIRTUAL REALITY, AUTONOMOUS DRIVING, THE INTERNET OF THINGS AND STUFF, WE CAN'T EVEN YET IMAGINE.
BUT WHAT EXACTLY IS A FIVE G NETWORK? THE TRUTH IS, EXPERTS CAN'T TELL US WHAT FIVE G ACTUALLY IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW YET.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE FIVE BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGIES EMERGING AS A FOUNDATION OF FIVE G MILLIMETER WAVES, SMALL CELLS, MASSIVE M I M O BEAM FORMING AND FULL DUPLEX.
FIRST UP, TECHNOLOGY NUMBER ONE MILLIMETER WAVES.
YOUR SMARTPHONE AND OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES IN YOUR HOME USE VERY SPECIFIC FREQUENCIES ON THE RADIO FREQUENCY SPECTRUM.
TYPICALLY, THOSE UNDER SIX GIGAHERTZ, BUT THESE FREQUENCIES ARE STARTING TO GET MORE CROWDED.
CARRIERS CAN ONLY SQUEEZE SO MANY BITS OF DATA ON THE SAME AMOUNT OF RADIO SPECTRUM.
AS MORE DEVICES COME ONLINE, WE'RE GOING TO START TO SEE SLOWER SERVICE AND MORE DROPPED CONNECTIONS.
THE SOLUTION IS TO OPEN UP SOME NEW REAL ESTATE.
SO RESEARCHERS ARE EXPERIMENTING WITH BROADCASTING ON SHORTER MILLIMETER WAVES, THOSE THAT FALL BETWEEN 30 AND 300 GIGAHERTZ.
THIS SECTION OF SPECTRUM HAS NEVER BEEN USED BEFORE FOR MOBILE DEVICES.
AND OPENING IT UP MEANS MORE BANDWIDTH FOR EVERYONE.
BUT THERE IS A CATCH MILLIMETER.
WAVES CAN'T TRAVEL WELL THROUGH BUILDINGS OR OTHER OBSTACLES, AND THEY TEND TO BE ABSORBED BY PLANTS AND RAIN.
TO GET AROUND THIS PROBLEM, WE'LL NEED TECHNOLOGY.
NUMBER TWO, SMALL CELL NETWORKS.
TODAY'S WIRELESS NETWORKS RELY ON LARGE, HIGH POWERED CELL TOWERS TO BROADCAST THEIR SIGNALS OVER LONG DISTANCES.
BUT REMEMBER, HIGHER FREQUENCY MILLIMETER WAVES HAVE A HARDER TIME TRAVELING THROUGH OBSTACLES, WHICH MEANS IF YOU MOVE BEHIND ONE, YOU LOSE YOUR SIGNAL.
SMALL CELL NETWORKS WOULD SOLVE THAT PROBLEM USING THOUSANDS OF LOW POWER MINI BASE STATIONS.
THESE BASE STATIONS WOULD BE MUCH CLOSER TOGETHER THAN TRADITIONAL TOWERS, FORMING A SORT OF RELAY TEAM TO TRANSMIT SIGNALS AROUND OBSTACLES.
THIS WOULD BE ESPECIALLY USEFUL IN CITIES AS A USER MOVED BEHIND AN OBSTACLE, HIS SMARTPHONE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH TO A NEW BASE STATION IN BETTER RANGE OF HIS DEVICE, ALLOWING HIM TO KEEP HIS CONNECTION.
NEXT UP, TECHNOLOGY NUMBER THREE, MASSIVE.
M I M O M I M O STANDS FOR MULTIPLE INPUT, MULTIPLE OUTPUT.
TODAY'S FOUR G BASE STATIONS HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN PORTS FOR ANTENNAS THAT HANDLE ALL CELLULAR TRAFFIC, BUT MASSIVE M I M O BASE STATIONS CAN SUPPORT ABOUT A HUNDRED PORTS.
THIS COULD INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF TODAY'S NETWORKS BY A FACTOR OF 22 OR MORE.
OF COURSE, MASSIVE M I M O COMES WITH ITS OWN COMPLICATIONS.
TODAY'S CELLULAR INTENT IS BROADCAST INFORMATION IN EVERY DIRECTION AT ONCE, AND ALL OF THOSE CROSSING SIGNALS COULD CAUSE SERIOUS INTERFERENCE, WHICH BRINGS US TO TECHNOLOGY NUMBER FOUR, BEAM FORMING.
BEAM FORMING IS LIKE A TRAFFIC SIGNALING SYSTEM FOR CELLULAR SIGNALS.
INSTEAD OF BROADCASTING IN EVERY DIRECTION, IT WOULD ALLOW A BASE STATION TO SEND A FOCUS STREAM OF DATA TO A SPECIFIC USER.
THIS PRECISION PREVENTS INTERFERENCE AND IT'S WAY MORE EFFICIENT.
THAT MEANS STATIONS COULD HANDLE MORE INCOMING AND OUTGOING DATA STREAMS AT ONCE.
SAY YOU ARE IN A CLUSTER OF BUILDINGS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE A PHONE CALL, YOUR SIGNAL IS RICOCHETING OFF OF SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND CRISSCROSSING WITH OTHER SIGNALS FROM USERS IN THE AREA.
A MASSIVE M I M O BASE STATION RECEIVES ALL OF THESE SIGNALS AND KEEPS TRACK OF THE TIMING AND THE DIRECTION OF THEIR ARRIVAL.
IT THEN USES SIGNAL PROCESSING ALGORITHMS TO TRIANGULATE EXACTLY WHERE EACH SIGNAL IS COMING FROM AND PLOTS THE BEST TRANSMISSION ROUTE BACK THROUGH THE AIR TO EACH PHONE.
SOMETIMES IT'LL EVEN BOUNCE INDIVIDUAL PACKETS OF, OF DATA IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS OFF OF BUILDINGS OR OTHER OBJECTS TO KEEP SIGNALS FROM INTERFERING WITH EACH OTHER.
THE RESULT IS A COHERENT DATA STREAM SENT ONLY TO YOU, WHICH BRINGS US TO TECHNOLOGY.
IF YOU'VE EVER USED A WALKIE-TALKIE, YOU KNOW THAT IN ORDER TO COMMUNICATE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE TURNS TALKING AND LISTENING.
TODAY'S CELLULAR BASE STATIONS HAVE THAT EXACT SAME HOLDUP.
A BASIC ANTENNA CAN ONLY DO ONE JOB AT A TIME, EITHER TRANSMIT OR RECEIVE.
THIS IS BECAUSE OF A PRINCIPLE CALLED RECIPROCITY, WHICH IS THE TENDENCY FOR RADIO WAVES TO TRAVEL BOTH FORWARD AND BACKWARD ALONG THE SAME FREQUENCY.
TO UNDERSTAND THIS, IT HELPS TO THINK OF A WAVE, LIKE A TRAIN LOADED UP WITH DATA.
THE FREQUENCY IT'S TRAVELING ON IS LIKE THE TRAIN TRACK, AND IF THERE'S A SECOND TRAIN TRYING TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ON THE SAME TRACK, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME INTERFERENCE.
UP UNTIL NOW, THE SOLUTION HAS BEEN TO HAVE THE TRAINS TAKE TURNS OR TO PUT ALL THE TRAINS ON DIFFERENT TRACKS OR FREQUENCIES, BUT YOU CAN MAKE THINGS A LOT MORE EFFICIENT BY WORKING AROUND RECIPROCITY.
RESEARCHERS HAVE USED SILICON TRANSISTORS TO CREATE HIGH SPEED SWITCHES THAT HALT THE BACKWARD ROLL OF THESE WAVES.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SIGNALING SYSTEM THAT CAN MOMENTARILY REROUTE TO TRAINS SO THAT THEY CAN GET PAST EACH
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OTHER.THAT MEANS THERE'S A LOT MORE GETTING DONE ON EACH TRACK A WHOLE LOT FASTER.
WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT MANY OF THE KINKS WITH MILLIMETER WAVES, SMALL CELL NETWORKS, MASSIVE M I M O BEAM FORMING AND FULL DUPLEX.
IN FACT, ALL OF FIVE G IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.
IT WILL LIKELY INCLUDE OTHER NEW TECHNOLOGIES TOO.
AND MAKING ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS WORK TOGETHER WILL BE A WHOLE OTHER CHALLENGE.
BUT IF EXPERTS CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, ULTRA FAST, FIVE G SERVICE COULD ARRIVE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, BASICALLY AS YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, THERE'S A NEW, UH, INNOVATION THAT'S COMING OUT.
WE'RE, IT, IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL CONSTANTLY BEING INNOVATIVE.
UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY COMING OUT ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? UM, AND THEY'RE LEARNING HOW TO DO THIS.
THE BEST WAY, AS IT'S SAID IS SMALL CELLS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE ALREADY STARTED DEPLOYING SMALL CELLS IN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, AS MARCUS HAS SAID, THE, THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
NOW, ALL OF THESE ARE JUST FOUR G ENABLED SMALL CELLS, SO IT'S HELPING RELIEVE THE NETWORK OF THE MACRO TOWERS AND EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE, WE'VE, WE ATTACHED TO POWER POLES WITH C P S.
UM, WE, WE PUT IN OUR OWN WOOD POLES, WE PUT IN, UM, NOW ESPECIALLY LIKE IN THE STONE OAK AREA AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE HAVE METAL POLES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CONDUITS RUN INSIDE AND NOT OUTSIDE THE POLE.
IT LOOKS A LOT, UM, SLEEKER AND, AND ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
SO, AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH THE CITY AND C P S TO INNOVATE NEW DESIGNS SO THAT AESTHETICALLY THE CITY IS GOING TO STILL LOOK GOOD EVEN WITH THESE POLES AROUND, RIGHT? SO DOWNTOWN AREA, AS MARCUS HAD TOUCHED ON, WE HAVE THE, UM, THE DOWNTOWN BELMONT STREETLIGHT POLES.
UM, SO ON OURS, YOU CAN SEE HOW, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE YOUR FIVE G MILLIMETER WAVE ANTENNAS ON THE SIDE, YOUR FOUR G UP TOP, SO YOU CAN STILL GET FOUR G, FIVE G, UM, ON THE SAME POLE.
UM, ONE INNOVATION THAT WE'VE DONE WITH, UH, OUR DESIGN WITH, UM, C P SS, UM, C P S PULL ATTACHMENTS HAS REALLY, UM, HAS REALLY COME TO US AND ASKED US TO GET BETTER AT, AT HOW OUR, OUR EQUIPMENT LOOKS ON THE POLE, RIGHT? SO, UM, IT WENT FROM HAVING AN ANTENNA HANGING OFF THE SIDE, AND THEN ANOTHER SHROUD FOR YOUR RADIOS AND THEN YOUR METER CAN, AND, UM, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF THAT GOES ON THESE POLES.
SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY CLUTTERED, ARE ALREADY AS IT IS WITH OTHER CONDUIT AND EVERYTHING.
SO WHAT WE DID IS, UM, I GOT WITH, UH, A COUPLE OF MANUFACTURERS AND WE CAME UP WITH AN IDEA WHERE WE BASICALLY PUT THE, PUT EVERYTHING IN TWO ONE, UM, ONE LITTLE BOX STROUD ON THE SIDE.
AND, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE, THIS IS OUR ATTACHMENT THAT WE'RE DOING ON POWER POLES GOING FORWARD.
UM, OUR RATE, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST FOUR G ON HERE, BUT YOU CAN HANG FIVE G ON THE SIDE RIGHT UNDERNEATH WHERE THE, THE OMNI ANTENNA IS SITTING.
UM, BUT IT BASICALLY GIVES THE POLE A WHOLE LOT SLIMMER.
LOOK, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THE BACKSIDE, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT THAT IS ON THERE.
UM, SO, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, C P S THIS IS OUT IN THEIR, IN THEIR, UM, MOCK-UP YARD.
AND, UM, SO IF ANYONE EVER WANTED TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE OUT THERE, WE HAVE US, AND I KNOW VERIZON HAS THEIRS OUT THERE AS WELL, BUT, UM, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR MOCKUPS OUT THERE.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S OUT THERE IS OUR NEW RESIDENTIAL POLE, UM, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE, THE METER BOX RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING TO GET THAT METER BOX INSIDE THE POLE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ON HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A BOX ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT.
WELL, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER WITH C P S TO GET THAT WIRELESS HOCKEY PUCK LOOKING METER THAT MARCUS WAS TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE EARLIER.
WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT INSIDE OF THE, OF THE POLE SO THAT IT'S EVEN SLEEKER THAN WHAT IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALREADY.
BUT WE HAVE, UM, UP ON TOP WE HAVE OUR, UH, CONCEALMENT FOR OUR RADIOS AND THEN ANTENNA, UM, ANTENNA UP TOP.
SO IT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF, OF THINGS WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO TO MAKE, MAKE WHAT WE DO MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FOR THE CITY.
THIS IS WHAT, UM, AT T'S FIVE G MILLIMETER WAVE ANTENNAS LOOK LIKE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A RADIO ANTENNA COMBO, UM, TOGETHER.
SO BASICALLY THEY WOULD JUST GO ONTO THE SIDES OF POLES AND THEY'RE 180 DEGREES EACH.
SO, UM, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET CLOSER TO THE CONSUMER SO THAT THEY CAN GET HIGHER SPEEDS.
AGAIN, THIS IS OUR, UM, DOWNTOWN STREETLIGHT POLE, UM, JUST FROM THE SIDE VIEW, AN EXTRA PHOTO THERE FROM THE SIDE VIEW.
AND THEN JUST TO TOUCH ON WHAT, UH, MARCUS WAS
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SAYING EARLIER, UM, THIS IS WHAT C P S ALL OF THE CARRIERS AND SAN ANTONIO, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, HAVE ALL REALLY COLLABORATED TO COME UP WITH A DESIGN FOR DOWNTOWN.SO THE VALMONT POLES THAT ARE ALREADY USED DOWNTOWN WITH THE ACORN BASE.
UM, WE, IT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SIX MONTHS NOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A DESIGN FOR THIS.
WE'VE COME UP WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT ONES AND WE ENDED UP, UM, GETTING WITH MANUFACTURERS AND, AND THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE THINK WE CAME UP WITH THE BEST DESIGNS ACTUALLY HIDING EVERYTHING INSIDE THAT LITTLE ACORN SHROUD.
UM, SO YOU GOT YOUR, YOUR METER, YOUR DISCONNECTS INSIDE THAT SHROUD.
UM, SO THAT BASICALLY YOU'RE NOT SEEING THAT AS A PEDESTRIAN WALKING BY AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S A SLEEKER DESIGN.
IT, IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER, UM, THAN JUST PUTTING POLES OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING A METER ON IT, STUFF HANGING OFF THE SIDE AND, AND ALL THAT.
SO, UM, BUT AS YOU KNOW, AS A SOMEONE THAT LIVES HERE, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN I'M PUTTING UP SOMETHING THAT IT REPRESENTS THE CITY WELL, RIGHT? LIKE, I DON'T WANT SOMETHING UGLY OUT IN, ON THE, ON THE ROADS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING LOOKS GOOD WHEN IT'S PUT IN.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT IF YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, SO NEXT UP WE'LL HAVE, UH, FROM VERIZON, MARTHA HENDLER.
UH, MARTHA IS THE NETWORK COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT TEAM.
SO MARTHA, YOU WANNA COME UP? HELLO? I'M MUCH SHORTER.
UM, LIKE BRIAN SAID, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I AM PART OF VERIZON'S, UM, NETWORK.
UM, I'M A NETWORK CONSULTANT WITH CITY WITH VERIZON, AND I DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH.
SO I DON'T HAVE A FANCY POWERPOINT BEHIND ME.
WHAT YOU GET IS ME, UH, TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHAT'S WORKING RIGHT, AND, UH, REALLY WHY WE'RE ALL HERE, WHICH IS FIVE G, RIGHT? SO REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND IT'S BASIC DEFINITION, FIVE G IS A FIFTH GENERATION OF WIRELESS COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY.
UM, AND THE REASON THAT IT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE, AS I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU GUYS, WE'RE THE SEVENTH LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY.
UH, WE JUST RECENTLY WERE TOLD WE'RE THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE COUNTRY.
SO WE NEED TO BE REALLY LOCK IN STEP WITH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEING, UM, DEVELOPED, UM, AND INNOVATED.
AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO THROUGH SMALL CELLS.
UM, SO SMALL CELLS IS REALLY THE FIRST ITERATION OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, BEING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN ORDER TO THEN, UH, PUT IN OUR BOTH OUR FOUR G TECHNOLOGY AND OUR FIVE T TECHNOLOGY THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO ENABLE THAT AND KIND OF MOVE US FORWARD.
UM, SO WHAT I WANNA SPEAK TO AS WELL IS THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE LEARNED AS I WORK NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT REALLY ALL OF THE, UH, SOUTHERN FOOTPRINT IS THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS PROVEN TO REALLY, REALLY, UM, OUTPACE SOME OTHER CITIES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND HOW THEY ARE APPROACHING, UM, THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, MARCUS HAMMER AND HIS TEAM HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE PARTNER TO VERIZON AS WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH THESE PROCESSES, UM, ALONG WITH C P S.
UM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT IS COLLABORATION AND HOW THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO THE SUCCESS OF FIVE G DEPLOYMENT IN ANY CITY.
UM, SO WE ALL WANNA BE FIVE G READY, UH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PUZZLE PIECES THAT HAVE TO COME TOGETHER IN ORDER TO GET THERE.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF PLAYERS AROUND THE TABLE, UM, TO REALLY KIND OF MOVE THAT THAT FORWARD.
SO, UH, WITH C P S, I KNOW, LIKE, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT YOU'VE SEEN WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THE CARRIERS TOGETHER, WORKING WITH C P S TO FIND SOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN CO-LOCATE ON THEIR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ALSO HOW DO WE FIND CREATIVE DESIGN SOLUTIONS SO THAT WHEN WE ARE OUT THERE, WE REALLY ARE BECOMING PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
WE ARE REALLY COGNIZANT OF AESTHETICS.
UH, WE WORK VERY, VERY CLOSELY WITH BOTH OUR POLE MANUFACTURERS AND DESIGNERS, ALONG WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, WHETHER IT'S THE O H P, WHICH WE ALSO HAVE A VERY CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH.
WE'VE WORKED WITH WE AND EDWARD, UH, VERY, VERY CLOSELY TO, UH, COME UP WITH DESIGNS THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE, UM, FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGN DISTRICTS.
I PERSONALLY ENGAGE WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN DISTRICT COMMUNITIES OF WHICH SAN ANTONIO IS, UH, HAS MANY OF AND LOVE AND IS VERY MUCH A FABRIC,
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UM, PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE REALLY KIND OF TAKE ON, UM, THIS, THE DEPLOYMENT OF SMALL CELLS.
UM, YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHAT FIVE G WILL BRING, BUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WITH ITS INCREDIBLY HEAVY HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY, UM, AND WANTING TO CONTINUE TO ATTRACT BIOTECHNOLOGY AS WELL, WHICH WE HAVE SOME HUBS HERE.
UH, REALLY THE NEED FOR FIVE G IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL TAKE GREAT BENEFITS FROM.
AND SO I THINK COLLECTIVELY WE'RE WORKING VERY, VERY HARD WITH THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE, UM, AND ESPECIALLY WITH OUR CITY PARTNERS, UM, TO REALLY BE ABLE TO LAY THAT OUT.
UM, AND IN 2020 REALLY LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO REALLY START THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF PUZZLE PIECES.
LIKE I SAID, PERMITTING IS ONE OF 'EM, BUT WE ALSO WORK VERY CLOSE WITH C P S FOR THE POWER PATH BECAUSE ONCE YOU PUT A POLE OR ONCE YOU PUT YOUR ANTENNAS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET POWER TO IT, AND THEN YOU GOTTA MAKE SURE YOU GET FIBER TO IT.
UM, SO THE TECHNOLOGY CAN BE INCREDIBLY INVOLVED AND IT CAN BE INCREDIBLY COMPLEX.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALSO WANNA OFFER TO YOU, UM, AS PART OF WHAT I DO AND AS PART OF THE COMMITMENT THAT VERIZON HAS, IS THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A ONE-ON-ONE OR FACE-TO-FACE WITH THE COMMITTEE ON INNOVATION AND TECHNOLOGY, UM, TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION WITH YOU ON A ONE-ON-ONE, UM, AND BE ABLE TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON A CITY SPECIFIC.
SO, UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE REALLY ARE HERE TO BE A PARTNER WITH THE CITY LONG TERM.
UH, FIVE G IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS INCREDIBLY EXCITING.
UM, BUT WITH IT COMES A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND SOMETIMES SOME HESITATION AND SOME HURDLES.
UM, SO WE ALL REALLY HAVE TO HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE AND JUST BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET TOGETHER LIKE WE ARE TODAY IN A ROOM, UH, TO TALK ABOUT IT AND KIND OF FIND WHAT THOSE SOLUTIONS ARE SO THAT WE ALL KIND OF MOVE FORWARD.
SO YOU DID SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S QUESTIONS AND HESITATIONS AND CONCERNS.
AND SO YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S JUST A HOMEOWNER WHO MAYBE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, HOW THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS OR HOW THAT'S GONNA IMPACT THEM OR HOW THOSE BENEFITS ARE TO THEM.
UM, SO UP TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SAYING, OKAY, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THESE GONNA GET BILLED? WHERE ARE THESE GONNA GO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY? SO REALLY THOSE HESITATIONS ARE A NORMAL PART OF ANY EMERGING TECHNOLOGY.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BEING ABLE TO PARTNER WITH AND COLLABORATE TO BE ABLE TO EASE THOSE.
UM, REALLY JUST LIKE I SAID THROUGH OPEN DIALOGUE CONVERSATION, UM, AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE RESOURCES IF WE NEED TO.
SO I HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS IN MY TOOL BELT THAT I TRY TO USE, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WHETHER I'M TALKING TO A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OVER CONCERNS AT THAT LEVEL, WHETHER I'M TALKING TO C P S, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, OVER A A METER PUCK, UH, CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DEPLOY ON THIS SO THAT IF A CAR DOES STRIKE IT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE LESS, YOU KNOW, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF, OF, OF CONCERNS OR ISSUES FROM AN EMERGENCY STANDPOINT.
UM, I APPRECIATE BRIAN'S OPENING STATEMENT.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT FIVE G, BUT NOT SURE WHY, BUT I THINK I'VE COME A LONG WAY JUST TODAY IN UNDERSTANDING WHY
UM, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THOUGH, SO I'M GONNA START WITH THE EASY ONE ON THE, ONE OF THE FIRST SLIDES I THINK OF, OF, UM, MARCUS'S PRESENTATION.
WHAT'S AN I O T DEVICE? SHOULD WE ALL JUST STAY UP HERE? MAYBE? OKAY.
UM, YOU WANT US TO SIT DOWN? YEAH.
UH, SO IOT IS INTERNET OF THINGS, SO ANYTHING FROM YOUR CELL PHONE'S, AN I O OT DEVICE.
HONESTLY, IF YOU HAVE A NEWER MODEL CAR, IT'S AN I O T DEVICE NOW BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH CELLULAR CONNECTION OR THROUGH A WIRELESS CONNECTION OR A HARD WIRE CONNECTION, THAT'S REALLY A I O T DEVICE.
I JUST NEEDED SOME ABSOLUTELY.
UM, THIS IS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS AFTER THIS ONE, BUT THIS IS REALLY MY, MY MAIN CON MY MAIN ISSUE OR, UM, MY MAIN QUESTION REALLY, WHAT'S THE OVERALL POLICY INTENTION OF SMALL CELL NODES IN MUNICIPALITIES AND, YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO, WHAT'S THE, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT IS A LANGUAGE C'S EFFORTS IN PERMITTING FOR DEPLOYMENT OF SMALL CELL NODES? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK HERE.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS ON THE PRESENTATION.
IT'S IN THE, IN THE, UM, OKAY.
CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT, WHAT'S THE, YOU SAY IT AGAIN? SORRY, I'M LOOKING FOR THE, IT WAS IN THE, THE BACKUP MATERIALS MM-HMM.
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THE LANGUAGE OR, OKAY.WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PERMITTING? IS IT LITERALLY ISSUING A PERMIT? IS IT ALLOWING, UH, SO YES, IT IS, IT IS LITERALLY, UH, ISSUING PERMITS.
I MEAN, IT JUST, IT'S THE SAME AS OUR TYPICAL PERMIT PROCESS.
BUT THIS ONE'S FOR A SMALL CELL TOWER, UH, ADDITIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I MEAN, AND THERE'S, AND MAYBE, MAYBE, YEAH, SOMEONE CAN SPEAK A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY TO THIS THAN, THAN I, BUT YEAH, IT'S THE STANDARD PERMITTING PROCESS FOR SMALL CELL TOWERS.
SO, BUT I, I THINK YOUR QUESTION IS KIND OF WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE SENATE BILL IN, IN GENERAL, RIGHT? YES.
AND, AND I CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO IT AND, UH, AT AND T OR ONE OF THE PROVIDERS CAN KIND OF CORRECT ME, BUT OVERALL, THE, THE PURPOSE OF SB 10 0 4 WAS TO STANDARDIZE THIS KIND OF, UH, FROM A PERMITTING OR A PROCESS, UM, FOR THE CARRIERS, IS HOW I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, THIS KIND OF, THE, THE, RIGHT, FROM A MUNICIPALITY STANDPOINT, THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE HAND THAT YOU'RE DEALT THIS NEW STATE LAW, YOU KNOW, HERE'S HOW IT IS, WE'RE GONNA DICTATE BASICALLY SOME OF THESE DESIGN STANDARDS AND, YOU KNOW, REVENUE STREAM, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? IT'S ALL KIND OF BEEN STANDARDIZED.
SO THAT WAY, UH, AS THEY TRY TO DEPLOY ON A STATEWIDE BASIS, THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO NEGOTIATE INDIVIDUAL FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE HUNDREDS OF CITIES FROM A STATEWIDE LEVEL.
SO, SO, BUT JD OR SOMEBODY, Y'ALL WANT TO CORRECT THAT OR READDRESS THAT.
BACK IN 2015, UH, COUNCILMAN
SO THERE WAS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TOPICS IN, AROUND THE STATE OF TEXAS IN THE 254 COUNTIES AROUND THE STATE.
WE HAD PROBABLY HAD 256 WAYS OF HOW TO DO IT.
SO THIS BILL ALLOWED US AT LEAST TO HAVE ONE STANDARD WAY FOR, AT LEAST FOR THE INDUSTRY, UNLESS YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THAT, THAT ALLOWED US TO PLAY IN THE SAME LEVEL FIELD.
AND, UM, AND ALSO ASK FOR A DESIGN MANUAL SO THAT THE CITY CAN HAVE PROTECTION AND THEN ALSO ASK FOR AESTHETICS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLY WITH.
SO IT SET THE PARAMETERS FOR US SO THAT WE WOULDN'T JUST PUT POLES JUST ANYWHERE.
SO THE PERMITS ARE, ARE ARE ASKING WHERE ARE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE, THE POLES, RIGHT.
OUR PERMITTING PROCESS ALLOWS ASK FOR PERMISSION FROM THE CITY TO GET ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND ALSO ALLOWS, UH, YOU KNOW, GET MORE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN ANSWER FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT'S NEEDED.
AND THEN WE ASK FOR POWER AND FOR FIBER BACK HAUL.
UM, IS THAT INCLUDING EXISTING, LIKE LAMPPOSTS, OR IS IT, THIS IS ALL FOR NEW? WE, WE, WE, WE, WE SOMETIMES WORK WITH THE CITY AND C P S TO ATTACH TO SOME OF THEIR POLES.
UM, SOMETIMES WE REPLACE IN OTHER CITIES, WE REPLACE STOP SIGNS AND CREATE THAT AS A SMALL CELL.
SO THERE'S, YES, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE'RE BEING CREATIVE, AND NOT TO GET TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS THERE, BUT IS, IS IT, IS THEN, ARE YOU THEN SHARING IN THE COST OF THAT POLE? OR IS IT, IS YOUR MONEY SPENT IN THE PERMIT? IN SAN ANTONIO, WE'RE, WE'RE PAYING FOR THE POLE, AND THEN YOU ALL TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE, AND C P SS WILL OWN THE POLE AFTER WE FINISH WITH THE VALVE MOUNT POLES.
YOU'RE PUT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING IN THE EXPENSE OF CREATING IT.
UM, SO, UH, THIS THANK YOU JD.
UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT, UM, HOW THIS WILL INCREASE DIGITAL INCLUSION.
SO, UH, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THROUGHOUT, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A DIGITAL DIVIDE ASSESSMENT CITYWIDE THAT JUST LAUNCHED LAST WEEK.
UH, BUT PART OF THAT ASSESSMENT WAS TO IDENTIFY WHERE BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE IS AND ISN'T THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, SO THE LAST A C SS, UH, WHICH IS AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, UH, IS, WAS PRESENTED, UH, AND IT SHOWED THAT 25% OF OUR RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO BROADBAND INTERNET.
UH, SO FOR THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE OR THAT MIDDLE MILE BETWEEN, UH, THE MAIN FIBER AND THEIR HOUSE, UH, THEIR MAIN ACCESS POINT IS GOING TO BE THROUGH CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY.
SO, AS I MENTIONED, S A I Z HANDED OUT MOBILE WIFI HOTSPOTS, WHICH ARE DEPENDENT ON CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY.
SO IF THAT'S A SOLUTION WEM MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, AFTER WE COME BACK WITH OUR ASSESSMENT AND DECIDE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE STRATEGIES WE WANT TO UTILIZE, THAT'S GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON CELLULAR DEPENDENCY.
AND A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, THAT ARE GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS CURRENTLY ARE IN SOME OF OUR MORE, UH, DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH HAVE, UH, A LOT OF SATURATION THERE OF HOUSEHOLDS.
UH, SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M SPEAKING, SPEAKING TO WHEN IT COMES TO DIGITAL INCLUSION, IS HAVING THAT ACCESS TO ACTUAL INTERNET.
UM, THE, THE SMALL CELL POLES, ARE THOSE IN ADDITION TO OR REPLACING MACRO CELL TOWERS? CAN YOU, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO, OKAY.
SO YOU NEED, YOU STILL NEED THE MACRO CELL TOWERS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I WRITE NOTES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I, UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT.
I REALLY, I LOVE, THAT'S WHY I LOVE
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BEING ON THIS COMMITTEE.I JUST LEARNED SO MANY NEW THINGS AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING AND I FEEL LIKE I'M KIND OF UP TO DATE ON THINGS JUST BECAUSE, UM, MANNY RUNS THIS SO WELL, AND YOU GUYS ARE
SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, UH, COUNCILWOMAN, UH,
UM, SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM NOW, IN WHICH CASE, UH, I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE ROLE, UH, AND WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THE QUESTIONS FOR A SECOND, BRIAN.
[1. 19-9101 Approval of the Minutes for the September 24, 2019 Innovation and Technology Committee Meeting.]
NEED TO, UH, APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2019 MEETING.UH, ANY MOTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE? WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES? AYE.
[2. 19-9100 Approval of the Minutes for the October 29, 2019 Innovation and Technology Committee Meeting.]
ALSO NEED TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER 29TH MEETING.UM, COUNCILMAN SUMAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? MOTION TO APPROVE? GREAT.
SECOND, AND ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THOSE A, THEY ARE APPROVED.
UH, COUNCILMAN PERRY, YOU GOT A QUESTION? YES, I, UM, IT'S GONE, GONE CRAZY, RIGHT? OVER THE LAST, LAST FEW YEARS HERE.
UM, ON, EXPLAIN TO ME THE POWER PERMITS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT, SENATE BILL 10 0 4 ALLOWED THE PROVIDERS TO COME OUT AND INSTALL ALL THESE NEW POLES AND NETWORK NODES ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WHILE THESE POLES AND THESE NETWORK NODES WILL NOT FUNCTION UNLESS YOU HAVE THE EXTENSION CORD, RIGHT? THE POWER PLUGGED IN TO ACTUALLY MAKE THEM WORK.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KIND OF UNDERSTANDS, IS THAT THIS WAS MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST, HEY, I'M PUTTING A PULL OUT HERE, PUTTING A NOTE ON THERE.
THIS STARTS TO IMPACT YOUR COMMUNITY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS NUMBER OF PERMITS AND THE ESCALATION OF WHAT YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE KIND OF COMING INTO 2019 AND WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO BE IN 2020.
THIS STARTS TO BE ROAD CLOSURES, SIDEWALKS BEING TORN UP, GOING FROM YOUR POWER GRID TO YOUR POLE, ALL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE THE STRATEGIES THAT FROM A CONSTRUCTION DEPLOYMENT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, HOW WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS AND TRY TO COME UP WITH THESE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO, TO, TO HELP IT DEAL WITH THIS FROM A, FROM MINIMIZING THE IMPACT FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT.
AND, AND HOW DO YOU GET THAT WORD OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON? UH, WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF MEETINGS ONE-ON-ONE.
UM, BUT, UH, AS PART OF THIS C P S, THEY DO HAVE A PROTOCOL, UM, ON HOW THEY GO OUT AND THEY NOTIFY RESIDENTS OR, OR EVEN BUSINESSES BEFORE THEY DO ANY CONSTRUCTION.
SO LIKE, WHEN THEY START DOING THESE TYPES OF THINGS, OF COURSE, WITH ANY ROAD CLOSURES, WE ALSO HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE AS WELL AS WITH THAT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY C P S C P S IS DOING THIS CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT.
SO THEY WOULD BE BRINGING POWER THERE.
SO HERE'S THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE WIRELESS PROVIDERS HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE METER TO THEIR POLE.
C P S WILL HAVE PERMITS COMING FROM THEIR GRID TO THAT METER.
SO YOU END UP HAVING ALMOST TWO, YOU HAVE TWO POWER PERMITS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE PER POLE.
AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE POLE ITSELF AND THE, AND THE NODE, UH, C P S, THEY'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING THAT, ARE THEY? NO, NOT THE POLE.
SO FROM POWER FROM THE GRID TO THE, AND WHO IS COORDINATING THE POLE CONSTRUCTION ON WHERE IT GOES AND WHEN IT'S GONNA GO THERE? AND SO THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY AN INTERNAL COMMITTEE.
SO IT GOES THROUGH A PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
SO O P'S INVOLVED WITH IT, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNAL ENGINEERING, I T S D T C I.
SO I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY PART OF THAT PERMIT REVIEW BEFORE IT ACTUALLY GETS PERMITTED.
SO OUR, OUR A D A OFFICE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, BUT HOW DOES THAT OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
HOW DOES THAT INFORMATION GET TO THAT LOCATION WHERE THE POLE IS GONNA BE TO LET THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THAT AREA KNOW THAT THAT POLE IS GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED THERE? WELL, WE, SO ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? IF BEFORE IT HAPPENS, WE TYPICALLY DO, UH, NOTIFICATIONS, RIGHT? SO SAY WE NEED A ROAD CLOSURE, UM, WE HAVE THE 30 DAY PUBLIC INFORMATION FORM, RIGHT? OUR PIF THAT, SO THAT ALWAYS GOES OUT TO CITY COUNCIL OFFICES AND THEY CAN ADVISE, WELL, I, I KNOW HOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK, BUT I'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE NEIGHBOR CALLS UP AND SAYS, HEY, SOMEBODY'S PUTTING UP A POWER POLE IN THE BACK OF MY BACK
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OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO HOW DO, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS ON WHERE THESE THINGS ARE BEING INSTALLED AT? OKAY.
PARTICULARLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD ALL COME DOWN TO CPSS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THESE ARE ALL C P SS POLES, AND SO THEY HAVE A, A NOTIFICATION PROCESS FOR ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENS.
UH, COUNCILMAN, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ARE ON EXISTING POLES, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THERE WERE SOME PILOTS FOR INDIVIDUAL POLES OWNED BY THE, THE TELECOMS THAT HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED TODAY, BUT MOST OF THESE POLES ARE EXISTING, RIGHT? SO THE WORK THAT'S OCCURRING IS ON AN EXISTING POLL.
SO THE, THE CONNECTION NOTICE THAT MARCUS WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, COMES FROM THE C P S CREWS THAT ARE DOING THAT.
IF A TELECOM IS WORKING IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY, YOU'LL ALWAYS NOTICE THAT THEY'RE IDENTIFIED VIA SIGNAGE MM-HMM.
SO BEYOND THE, THE NOTIFICATION TECHNIQUES THAT HE'S DESCRIBING, WE TRY TO DO VISUAL THINGS ON THE SITE SO FOLKS KNOW AS WELL.
SO I GUESS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE THE NEW POLES.
AND SO RIGHT NOW IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE DO NOT HAVE A NEW POLE STANDARD TO ALLOW THEM TO DEPLOY WITH THAT.
SO THAT WAS THAT LAST SLIDE, UM, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE ALLOWING IS ATTACHMENTS TO EXISTING POLES AND NO NEW POLES HAVE BEEN ERECTED NEW POLES.
SO THERE MAY BE A NEED TO REPLACE AN EXISTING POLE COUNCILMAN, RIGHT.
IN A HISTORIC AREA OR DOWNTOWN, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW THIS TECHNOLOGY.
BUT IT'S NOT A NEW POLE LOCATION.
SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO YEAH, BUT I, OKAY.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE, I'M SORRY, NEW POLES GOING OUT WITH NEW NODES ON THEM.
UH, OTHER THAN USING EXISTING C P SS POLES, CURRENTLY TODAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE HAVE SOME NEW POLLS THAT WERE INSTALLED UNDER THE M A THAT WE SIGNED PRIOR TO THE SENATE BILL.
SO MAYBE WE'LL SEE SOME NEW POLLS THAT, THAT APPROVED.
YOU ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT CHANGED SENATE BILL BEFORE WE HAD AN M L A AND UNDER, SO THAT WENT THROUGH COUNCIL AND WE HAD TO SIGN SUPPLEMENTS FOR EACH GO.
NOW WE CAN DO IT THROUGH THE PERMITTING UNDER ORDINANCE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE LEGAL INDIVIDUAL AGREEMENTS.
THAT AGREEMENT WE INSTALLED NEW POLLS.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME INSTANCES WHERE NEW POLLS WERE BEING SET UP AND NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT IT, PARTICULARLY THE PEOPLE THAT IT WAS BEING ERECTED NEXT TO.
MENT FROM AT T WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW POLES IN RESIDENT CREDIT.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH YOUR EXISTING POLES OR EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE WE ATTACH.
SO YOU DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR ANY NEW ADDITIONAL POLES ANYWHERE? WE, WE, WE MIGHT, BUT AT THAT POINT, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS PROPERLY.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY COME TO YOU AND SAY THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN 'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE WANNA MAKE SURE OKAY, GOOD.
THAT WE CALL YOU BEFORE THEY CALL YOU.
AND, AND I WISH JOHN LEO WAS STILL HERE WITH C P S.
I DON'T SEE, IS HE STILL HERE? BUT I MEAN, SO AS PART OF THAT DEPLOYMENT RIGHT.
THAT'S PART OF THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE AS PART PART OF THIS COLLABORATION.
SO AS WE START WORKING THROUGH THIS AND HOW THIS GETS DEPLOYED, THESE ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT POLES WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THAT IS FOR SURE.
WE'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH THAT WITH RICHARD MEDINA, RICK LOPEZ FROM C P S ON, WE'VE GOTTA DEVELOP THAT STRATEGY.
SO THAT CONVERSATION THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY, I MEAN, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A RIGHT STRATEGY FOR THAT BECAUSE, UM, AS THEY MENTIONED, WE SAW THAT PLAY OUT, UH, VERY WELL WITHIN CERTAIN DISTRICTS WHEN THEY WERE UNDER THAT ORIGINAL LICENSE AGREEMENT, PEOPLE WOULD LEAVE FOR THE DAY.
IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG TO GET A POLE PLANTED IN YOUR YARD.
YOU LEAVE FOR WORK, YOU COME HOME AND THAT POLE WAS SITTING THERE IN YOUR YARD.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT INTERNALLY AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AHEAD OF THAT BEFORE THAT STARTS TO ROLL OUT.
AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS TO GET THAT, THAT POLL PROOF.
YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR VOICE IS BEING HEARD ON THAT ONE
AND THEN THE OTHER THING ON THE, UH, TO, TO POWER ALL OF THESE AROUND THE CITY, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF POWER REQUIREMENT ARE WE TA IS THAT PUTTING ANY, WHAT KIND OF LOADS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE, JOHN, ON EACH ONE OF 'EM ARE INDIVIDUALLY METERED.
SO OUR CUSTOMERS ACTUALLY EITHER VERIZON OR AT T NOT, NOT VERY MUCH MATTER.
MATTER OF FACT, UH, COUNCILMAN TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SAN ANTONIO'S BECOME THE NATIONAL MODEL BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS A FLAT FEE AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO STEALTH THE METER IN THE PO AND THAT'S THE ONLY CITY THAT I KNOW OF NATIONWIDE THAT'S DOING IT.
CONGRATULATIONS FOR THAT, BY THE WAY.
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METER WHO GOES AROUND READING ALL THESE METERS, ARE THEY READ DIGITALLY? WELL, ONCE WE HAVE FIVE G IT WOULD BE REAL TIME BY THE WAY, TOO.BUT I MEAN, WHO'S READING 'EM NOW? I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT'S A MONTHLY, IT'S A MONTHLY CHARGE THAT GOES AGAINST THEM? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? HOW DO YOU GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT? THAT ELECTRICAL USAGE.
AND WE'RE GOING AROUND READING HOW MANY, HOW MANY WE'RE READING 833.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY COUNCILMAN WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS AN AVERAGE FLAT FEE.
SO WE CAN JUST BE MORE SEAMLESS ON, ON OUR OKAY.
IF I COULD CLARIFY ONE THING, JOHN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I'M WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITY SECTION.
UH, JOHN, THESE METERS ARE ANIMATED, INTEGRATED INTO YOUR AUTOMATIC MEETING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, AND, AND WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE PART OF LIKE, UM, JD SAID, UH, OVER TIME WE'LL BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH FLAT FEE, UH, POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO MOVE AWAY, UH, NO MANUAL READINGS.
IF, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, THE, THE NUMBER OF PERMITS SUBMITTED VERSUS THE NUMBER OF ACTIONS SMALL CELLS CONSTRUCTED IS GROSSLY DIFFERENT.
I, AT LEAST FOR VERIZON, CAN'T SPEAK FOR ATT.
BUT YOU, THERE'S NOT NEARLY THAT QUANTITY IN CITY ANTICIPATION, THAT FLAT FEE BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UH, COUNCILMAN ANDREW SULLIVAN.
SO, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE, WE'RE COMING INTO THIS AGE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT AND, AND NEW COMMUNITIES AND, UH, A LOT OF THEM ARE BEING BUILT, UM, WITHIN THE AREAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED IN, IN YEARS.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE UTILITY SERVICE, NOT HAVING ANY INFRASTRUCTURE THERE, HOW WILL THIS COME INTO PLAY WITH YOU SAYING THAT WE'RE USING EXISTING POLLS, BUT IF THERE ARE NO EXISTING POLLS, WHAT IS THE CONCEPT FOR THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT? RIGHT.
ON A FLAT PLAIN? SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A QUESTION I'M GONNA LEAVE UP TO AT AND T VERIZON.
UM, I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A INTENT OF WHERE WE'RE GOING.
I'M, I'M JD SALINAS WITH AT AND T NICE TO MEET YOU.
SO, UH, ON, IF THERE ISN'T AN EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN WE WORK WITH PUTTING NEW POLES TO MAKE SURE THEY MATCH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND WE WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKS.
AND THEN WE ALSO WORK WITH, UH, IF YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL, WE WORK WITH THE HEBS AND WHATABURGERS AND THOSE COMPANIES TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK WITH 'EM TOO.
NOW WITH CURBSIDE SERVICE, THERE'S MORE DEMAND ON OUR NETWORK, SO WE TRY TO WORK WITH THEM.
YOU ALREADY ANSWERED MY NEXT QUESTION.
SO I JUST VERY GENERALLY, I, I, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS SO MUCH AS JUST OBSERVATIONS.
UM, ON THE ONE HAND, UH, I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN COSA AND C P S AND AT AND T AND VERIZON ARE ALL TALKING TO EACH OTHER, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS THE IN-HOUSE EXPERTISE, UM, AND KNOWS THE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, SORT OF FROM INSIDE OUT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO INFORM HOW WE MAKE DECISIONS AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE EXPERTS IN PARKS, STREETS, SIDEWALKS, TREE ORDINANCES, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ALAMOS.
BUT ARE WE EXPERTS IN HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND PREPARE FOR IT AS IT DEPLOYS? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WORK CLOSELY, AND I SEE CRAIG BACK THERE BEHIND THE PILLAR.
UH, BUT WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH I T S T TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY HAVE IN HOUSE WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNOLOGY, THAT WE'RE UTILIZING THAT EXPERTISE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.
LIKE MAKING SURE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, UTILIZE IT TO ITS FULL CAPACITY.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO FIVE G IS NO, UH, IGNORING THAT EITHER.
SO, SO I MEAN, CRAIG IS OVER THERE IN THE CORNER AND, AND, AND YOU'RE HERE TOO.
AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TEAM OF OF EXPERTS Y'ALL HAVE TOGETHER CAN ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING YOU SET YOUR MINDS TO.
BUT I'M WONDERING, CRAIG, I MEAN, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN HOUSE WHO'S A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN TELECOM CONNECTIVITY AND DEPLOYING THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY? YES.
SO YEAH, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, FIVE G IS JUST NOW BECOMING ON THE MARKET AND ACTUALLY DEVICES AREN'T EVEN, YOU KNOW, FULLY CAPABLE OF UTILIZING FIVE G AT THIS POINT.
SO TRYING MAKE IS THAT THERE'S PLENTY, WE NEVER KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
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YES, SIR.RIGHT? AND AS THIS, AS THIS TECHNOLOGY, UM, OUTPACES OUR OWN KNOWLEDGE AND OUR OWN CAPABILITIES, YOU KNOW, UM, SHOULD WE BE EXAMINING WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE TOOLED UP AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE THE RIGHT BENCH OF TALENT IN ORDER TO HELP USHER US INTO THIS NEXT GENERATION OF, OF TECHNOLOGY? AND IF WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT EXPERTS IN, YOU KNOW, AT I T S D WHO CAN ACCOMPLISH A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS, BUT I'M NOT HEARING CRAIG OR YOU TELL US THAT WE'VE GOT EXPERTS IN TELEPHONY LIKE THIS AND, AND THIS KIND OF TECHNOLOGY.
THEN I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE CLEAR SEPARATION.
WE, WE AS A CITY WILL BE THE USER OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
WE'RE NOT THE PROVIDER OF THIS TECHNOLOGY.
BUT WHAT WE ARE IS, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS OF, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT.
UM, WE ARE A PROVIDER OF THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OURSELVES, RIGHT? MUNICIPAL BROADBAND DISCUSSIONS.
YOU WANNA HAVE THAT SPECIFICALLY FIVE G TO THE CONSUMER.
SO LET ME ALSO CLARIFY THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SMALL CELL DEPLOYMENT IN THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, SMALL CELL IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY FIVE G.
SO THAT'S ALSO FOUR G THAT'S EXISTING, UH, CELLULAR TECHNOLOGY.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SMALL CELL DEPLOYMENT IN OUR RESPONSIBILITY IN THAT SPACE, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A, OF ROOM TO FLEX THERE.
NOW WHEN IT COMES TO FACILITATING THE INNOVATION THAT COMES FORWARD, AND THIS COMMITTEE HAS KIND OF CHALLENGED OUR, OUR OFFICE OF INNOVATION TO BE THAT THE FACILITATORS OF THAT INNOVATION, WE ARE DEFINITELY HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMPANIES THAT ARE PROVIDING THIS SERVICE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE CAPABILITIES THAT ARE COMING IN THAT WE CAN TAP INTO FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SIDE YES.
AND PROVIDING THE SERVICE TO THE CONSUMERS CORRECT.
SO WE CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO OUR MUNICIPAL PARTNERS.
SO, UM, I, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PREFACE MY NEXT COMMENT BY TELLING YOU THAT, UM, MINE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M MARRIED TO A LADY WHO, UM, QUITE HONESTLY, I DON'T DESERVE HER.
AND, UH, OURS IS A, UH, OURS IS A MIXED MARRIAGE, WHICH MEANS THAT I'M AN AT T CUSTOMER AND SHE'S A VERIZON CUSTOMER.
UH, AND, UH, WE BOTH HAVE ARGUMENTS OVER WHICH ONE WE LIKE MORE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SHE ALMOST ALWAYS WINS.
UH, AND SHE ALLOWS ME TO WIN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
WE REALLY DO LOVE BOTH COMPANIES AND WE'RE BOTH VERY HAPPY CUSTOMERS, AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT BOTH OF THE, BOTH OF THE ORGANIZATIONS SHOWED UP AND NEXUS.
I'M APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE TOO.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WHAT WORRIES ME THOUGH IS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THE DELIVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THE DELIVERY OF THE SERVICE TO THE END CUSTOMER, RIGHT? WE ARE INVOLVED AT SOME POINT IN THIS, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, UH, CORRECT.
UH, AND SO I, I'M WONDERING, I IF BY NOT HAVING SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, YOU KNOW, IN-HOUSE, UH, OR CONSULTANTS TO HELP GUIDE US IF WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF, OR IF WE FIND OURSELVES JUST LOOKING ACROSS THE TABLE TO VERIZON AND AT AND T AND SAYING, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
RIGHT? AND, UH, SO WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A COMFORT FEELING THAT WE'VE GOT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NECESSARY SUBJECT MATTER, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
RIGHT? AND, UH, MAYBE IT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE OFFLINE AT SOME POINT.
WHERE YOU CAN GET ME TO A, A PLACE WHERE I'M COMFORTABLE.
UH, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DANGLING QUESTION MARK OUT THERE THAT I STILL HAVE.
RIGHT? ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN PREPARATION FOR TODAY'S MEETING, I WENT OUT AND STARTED LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE NEW F C C RULES THAT WERE CREATED IN, WAS IT 2 20 18? AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ONE THING I I CAME ACROSS AND I JUST KEPT COMING ACROSS WAS THIS SHOCK CLOCK OF 60 TO 90 DAYS.
RIGHT? AND YOU'LL SEE THE, THE FIVE G PROVIDERS OVER HERE NODDING YES.
UM, THE SHOT CLOCK, I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, AND IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, DECISIONS, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS WITH REGARDS TO APPROVAL AND PERMITTING AND ALL THAT STUFF WITHIN 60 TO 90 DAYS.
UM, AND THAT A FAILURE TO DO SO IS A VIOLATION OF SOME COMMUNICATIONS ACT, WHICH COMES WITH SOME PRETTY SEVERE PENALTIES.
UM, AND SO DO WE HAVE, ARE ARE WE AWARE OF OUR OWN PROCESSES AND DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS SHOT CLOCK AND CAN WE DELIVER, YOU KNOW, APPROVALS WITHIN THAT SHOT CLOCK EVERY SINGLE TIME? SO THE ANSWER TO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY YES.
SO WE, WE ARE AWARE OF THE SHOT CLOCKS.
WE ACTUALLY CREATED A GOOGLE, UH, SHARE DRIVE IN PLACE WHERE WE HAVE EVERYTHING COLOR CODED, UM, FROM GREEN IS, OKAY, IT JUST CAME IN TO YELLOW.
HEY, WE'RE GETTING THERE TO RED.
AND WE ACTUALLY ALLOW THIS TO KIND OF BE TRANSPARENT FOR THE PROVIDERS TOO.
UH, SO ACTUALLY IT'S A, IT'S A REAL TIME, UH, BASICALLY DATABASE, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND THEY, THEY WANT TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, AND ONCE IT'S PAID FOR, IT GOES INTO THIS SYSTEM AND WE ARE TRACKING THAT THING, UH, LIVE, AND WE KNOW EXACTLY WHO IS ON SPOT, WHO HASN'T, WHO HASN'T APPROVED IT FROM WHAT DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND WE'RE TRACKING THAT ON A DAILY BASIS.
WHICH THEN BRINGS ME TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILMAN PERRY MADE, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT THAT'S BEEN MADE TODAY.
AND THAT IS, THERE IS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT TO THIS THING, RIGHT? AND SO, SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT SHOCK CLOCK PERIOD, DO WE BUILD IN A TIME,
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YOU KNOW, THE, A NECESSARY AMOUNT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT A NEW TOWER, RIGHT? UH, OR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, NEARBY.I MEAN, I REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THOSE HUTS THAT GOOGLE, YOU KNOW, WAS INSTALLING AND EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY HAD THEIR HAIR ON FIRE.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT COUNCILMAN PERRY RECEIVES PHONE CALLS ABOUT, OH MY GOSH, THEY'RE INSTALLING A, YOU KNOW, A POWER LINE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF POWER TOWER OR SOME SORT OF TOWER OR, YOU KNOW, POLE BEHIND MY HOUSE.
WE GET THOSE PHONE CALLS AT MY OFFICE ALL THE TIME, AND PEOPLE ARE FURIOUS, RIGHT? AND THEY'LL TELL ME, COUNCILMAN, HOW COULD YOU NOT HAVE KNOWN? RIGHT? UM, AND SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING THE ANSWER'S NO.
AND, AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE BUILT INTO THE SHOCK CLOCK TIME TO TALK TO COMMUNITY, RIGHT? OR IF WE DO, I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY QUICK, UH, TO GET THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I MEAN, YOU TELL ME, DO WE, SO, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID IS, RIGHT, WE FROM LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT, THE GOOGLE DEPLOYMENT AND KIND OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, WHAT WE CREATED WAS A 30 DAY NOTIFICATION FORM THAT THE PROVIDERS FILLED OUT BEFORE THEY, THEY ACT, IT'S PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESS, RIGHT? SO WE BUILT IN A NOTIFICATION PRO PROCESS.
WE GET THAT FORM, WE SUBMIT IT TO THE COUNCIL DISTRICT OFFICES, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHERE, UM, EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS WHO ARE, WHO'S INVOLVED, WHO'S ENGAGED IS THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THIS INFORMATION PUSHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES? THAT WAS, THAT'S ONE WAY, RIGHT, THAT WE'RE DOING KIND OF HELPING WITH THIS.
BUT AS PART OF THAT AS WELL, IF THERE'S A ROAD CLOSURE, STREET CLOSURE THAT HAPPENS WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE THE, THE MESSAGE BOARD THAT GO OUT SEVEN DAYS IN, IN EVENTS SAYING, HEY, ROAD CLOSURE DUE DUE TO WHATEVER WORK, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF GOING EVEN MORE DEEP INTO THIS AS ARE WE NOTIFYING THAT SPECIFIC ONE HOMEOWNER ABOUT THAT WORK, RIGHT? IF IT'S GONNA BE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, I THINK I'M TALKING ABOUT AN H O A PRESIDENT SO THEY CAN ALERT THEIR NEIGHBORS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT OF THAT, THAT THAT ONE FORM, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN IT COULD BE PASSED THE H O A AND THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHO THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT AREA OF SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOTIFIED, RIGHT? FOR US, IT BECOMES CHALLENGING TO MANAGE THAT WHEN YOU'RE GETTING THOUSANDS OF THESE PERMITS COMING IN FROM A DAILY BASIS.
NOW, FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH C P SS THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY HAVE COMMUNICATION PROCESSES IN PLACE, UH, THAT EXIST TODAY, RIGHT? WHENEVER THEY GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE TO SAY THEY'RE GONNA, UH, INSTALL A NEW POLE OR PULL OUT A POLE.
AND I CAN'T SPEAK ON JOHN, COULD YOU, CAN YOU SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT THAT COMMUNICATION PROCESS THAT YOU GUYS UTILIZE? BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL AREAS TODAY, THAT IS GONNA BE THE POLE THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY BEING UTILIZED.
THE ONE FOR ONE, THAT METAL POLE THAT WE LOOKED AT.
OH, HE, HE KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA ASK HIM MORE QUESTIONS.
BUT LET ME, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO, DO WE, IF WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AREA, LIKE COUNCIL THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY AND WE WOULD GO TO THE H O A FOR A PRESENTATION.
WHO'S WE? THE AT AND T THE PROVIDER WOULD GO JD OR PATTY WHEN SHE COMES BACK, HOPEFULLY SOON, UH, WOULD GO TO THE H O A TO PUMP CLICK H O A AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU AGREE? DO YOU, CAN WE GET SOME BUY-IN? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO.
DO YOU ALREADY DO THAT? WE DO IN OTHER CITIES.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN SAN ANTONIO.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T REQUIRED A NEW POLL IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND SO IT, IT, UH, COUNCILMAN PERRY, I THINK YOU'LL AGREE WITH ME THAT TO THE EXTENT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE EVER HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE WE REQUIRE A NEW POLL IN AN AREA, I IMAGINE YOU'D WANT YOUR OFFICE NOTIFIED FIRST, AND IF AN H O A MEETING IS SET UP, I'M SURE YOU'D WANT TO BE THE ONE TO SET IT UP AND, UM, SINCE YOU'RE THE FACE OF THAT DISTRICT, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THESE, SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS GUIDELINES, RIGHT? UM, GUIDELINES NOT WITH JUST OUR DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, NOT WITH JUST YOUR TEAM C P S, RIGHT? BUT ALSO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, IF AN EMAIL COMES OUT TO MY DISTRICT TELLING ME, HEY, NEW POLL GOING, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT, MAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IF EMAILS HAVE ALREADY BEEN GOING OUT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS EVER SEEN ONE LIKE THAT.
WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE IMPLEMENTED THIS AND IT'S, IT'S OVERWHELMING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE GETTING EVERY PER REALLY, BEFORE EVERY PERMIT COMES THROUGH FROM A PROJECT STANDPOINT OR RIGHT AWAY, IT'S BEING SUBMITTED TO SOMEONE AT YOUR, TYPICALLY IT'S YOUR CHIEF OF STAFF THAT GETS A LOT OF THESE, RIGHT? THEY'RE COMING, THEY'RE COMING, THEY'RE COMING.
HOW MANY OF THESE, BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT? YOU WANNA KNOW ABOUT CONSTRUCTION BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HITS THE COMMUNITY.
AND A LOT OF TIMES, THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND, AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE ON YOUR, AT YOUR LEVEL, RIGHT? THEY REALLY KNOW, WHO DO I NEED TO MEET WITH AT THIS H O A LEVEL? AGAIN, YOU WANNA BE THE ONES THAT SET THESE MEETINGS UP.
YOU WANNA BE AWARE OF THESE MEETINGS HAPPENING.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE STANDARD PROCESS THAT WE PUT INTO THE GUIDELINES, RIGHT? OF MAKING SURE THAT, THAT, THAT INFORMATION FORM WAS SENT TO CITY COUNCIL OFFICES AND THEN STAFF AND US WORK TOGETHER TO SAY, HEY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS OF SIGNIFICANT CONCERN THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING, UM, WITH ANYBODY FROM A H O A? LET ME, LEMME STOP YOU THERE.
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I MEAN, I THINK I ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER.UM, BUT IF I WERE TO ASK THESE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, TO MY RIGHT AND MY LEFT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE EVER BEEN BRIEFED ON A POLL OR, YOU KNOW, OR AN EMAIL LIKE THAT, THE ANSWER IS PROBABLY NO.
UH, I DON'T, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING FROM MY STAFF.
AND I MEAN, I'LL LET ANY OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY'VE EVER RECEIVED ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO SOMEWHERE THAT'S BEING LOST, MAN.
UM, AND WE, WE NEED TO IMPROVE THAT PROCESS.
NUMBER TWO, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE FOR, YOU KNOW, VETO IN, UM, HOUSING, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WORKING ON A NEIGHBORHOOD REGISTRATION PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE LIST OF EVERY H O A REPRESENTATIVE IN ALL OF SAN ANTONIO, AND THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GOING WELL.
UM, AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE INSTEAD OF FIRING IT OFF TO US, IF IT'S GONNA BE IMPACTING HOMEOWNERS AND ALL THAT, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE HER IN THIS PROCESS AS WELL, RIGHT? BECAUSE SHE MAY ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER, UM, LIST, RIGHT? AND, UH, A LIST THAT IS ALIVE, RIGHT? THAT THEY MONITOR AND, AND CHANGE OFTEN.
AND SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE MAYBE YOUR DEPARTMENT WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH YOUR TEAM OF NINJAS, UM, SIX SIGMA NINJAS COULD, COULD, UH, BE DEPLOYED, RIGHT? WE CAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE THAT WITH T C I UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEIR PROCESSES LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW AND CREATE A LITTLE MORE ROBUSTNESS AROUND THAT.
ESPECIALLY GOING INTO WHERE THERE ARE, THERE IS POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE TO HAVE NEW POLLS WHERE WE ACTUALLY NEED TO NOTIFY FOLKS.
SO WHAT, SO I, I'VE GOT TWO MORE OBSERVATIONS.
THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING ACTUALLY WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH, UH, VERIZON, UM, AND REALLY PUT TOGETHER A CUTTING EDGE PROGRAM.
UM, AND IT WAS, I MEAN, INSTEAD OF SAYING, OH MY GOSH, THE F C C RULES AND THE STATE RULES AND ALL THESE PREEMPTION RULES AND TRYING TO FIGHT AGAINST IT, THEY SAID, LOOK, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
LET'S BE THE FIRST CITY TO EMBRACE THIS AND, AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S BE THE FIVE G CITY.
AND THEY ACCOMPLISHED IT, RIGHT? AND IT WENT SO WELL TO WHERE, UH, I THINK VERIZON GAVE THEM, UH, SOMETHING LIKE, UH, 500 SMARTPHONES FOR THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, YOU KNOW, 500 TABLETS FOR THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND NOW THEY'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE 6,000 TOWERS DEPLOYED.
AND, UM, IT'S REALLY BEEN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN.
UH, I INVITE YOU TO GIVE US ALL THE TABLETS AND PHONES YOU'D LIKE.
UM, BUT THE POINT IS, IS THAT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS REALLY HAVE WORKED TO THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY IN THE CITY AND, AND REALLY MADE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE PARTNERS HAPPY AND THE CITY HAPPY AND EVERYBODY WINS, RIGHT? UM, THE ONE THING I WANNA MAKE SURE NOBODY FORGET, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DO ENVISION A DAY WHERE WE EMBRACE THIS, RIGHT? UH, AND AS OPPOSED TO JUST LOOKING AT THIS AS, HEY, WE GOTTA GIVE PERMITS AND WE HAVE TO HOOK UP POWER, BUT THAT WE BE PARTNERS IN MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS BENCHMARKED ACROSS THE WORLD AS A SUCCESSFUL, YOU KNOW, UH, PROJECT THAT WAS UNDERTAKEN AND THAT WE DID IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
LASTLY, I'LL END WITH THE FACT THAT, I DUNNO IF Y'ALL NOTICE, BUT THE, UH, PRESIDENCY OF THE SAN ANTONIO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SHUT UP.
UM, AND I, AND YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN MONITOR COUNCIL MEETINGS, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT HE'S SHOWING UP BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT WE KNOW IS THAT FIVE G IN THE UNITED STATES REPRESENTS A $275 BILLION INVESTMENT, RIGHT? UH, ALL OVER THE US AND THAT IT IS, UH, PRETTY MUCH ACCEPTED NOW THAT IT'S GONNA CREATE ANOTHER 3 MILLION JOBS, RIGHT? SO THERE IS A BUSINESS CASE TO BE MADE FOR MAKING SURE THAT THIS WORKS, RIGHT, AND THAT IT IS AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO, UH, COUNCILMAN ANDREWS, UM, JUST ONE QUICK, UM, OBSERVATION WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNICATION ASPECTS OF HOW WE GET THIS INFORMATION OUT, BEING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TELECOMS AND COMPANIES THAT HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THEIR CELL PHONE SERVICE WITH THESE COMPANIES, AND WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT PUTTING UP THE NEW TOWERS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY INTEREST OR ANY KIND OF, UH, UH, TEXT MESSAGING SERVICES THAT CAN BE, UH, KIND OF TARGETED TO THE SPECIFIC AREA THAT THE TOWERS WILL BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED? IS HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT AS OF YET? UH, I'M GONNA LET THE, THE TWO EXPERTS HERE SPEAK ON THAT.
I MEAN, WE, WE CAN TRY TO LOOK INTO THAT, BUT I, I, I'LL TELL YOU STRAIGHT OUT FOR AT AND T THAT YOUR DESIGN MANUAL DOES NOT ALLOW US TO BUILD NEW POLES IN YOUR RESIDENCE AT, SO YOU DON'T, IT'S FOR US.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE US VERY MUCH COMING AT, SO, BUT WE CAN TRY TO IMPLEMENT, WE, WE CAN MEET WITH YOU BY TRYING TO NOTIFY SOME AREAS, NOT ONLY ON THIS, BUT, SO NOT WITH THE NEW POLES, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF, OF THE NEWER SERVICE COMING IN.
I KNOW THERE'S U-VERSE, HAS THERE BEEN LIKE MAYBE A BROADCAST AND CAN SCROLL ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN? JUST SOMETHING THAT, THAT LETS THE COMMUNITY KNOW WE'RE COMING IN, THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE, UM, WITH CELL PHONE SERVICE.
I MEAN, IT'S A COMPUTER IN YOUR HAND.
SO BEING ABLE TO STRATEGICALLY TARGET THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO HIT OR, OR KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN NEXT, UM, IF THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT, WOULD
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BE GREAT.YEAH, WE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR, BUT WE PROBABLY PROBABLY NEED TO MEET SOMETIME BETWEEN THEN AND NOW.
BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, SAN ANTONIO'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES ANNOUNCED HERE PRETTY SOON, PROBABLY SOONER WHAT YOU THINK.
SO YOU HAVE GOOD TIMING AND ASKING US QUESTIONS AND BRINGING US HERE BECAUSE, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE CLOSER THAN WHAT YOU PROBABLY REALIZE.
I THINK THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL THE QUESTIONS.
UH, THAT BRINGS US TO AN END OF YET ANOTHER SUCCESSFUL MEETING.
THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY SHOWED UP.
AT AND T AND THANK YOU FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND C P S.
UH, Y'ALL HAVE HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU BACK AGAIN IN FEBRUARY.
WE DON'T HAVE A JANUARY MEETING.