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GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE OUR SPANISH UH, INTERPRETATION SERVICES STATEMENT.
MY NAME IS JOHN BUSTAMANTE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER.
THE TIME IS ONE OH ONE AND I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION.
IN THE SESSION, UH, I LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT.
HELLO, THIS IS, UH, I'M JOHN KELLY.
DANNY KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, JOHN WHITSETT, DISTRICT 10 MOSES VE, DISTRICT NINE MIA.
KEN HUIT, DISTRICT SIX, GEORGE OSA, DISTRICT THREE.
DISTRICT FOUR ANO MAYOR'S APPOINTEE.
WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR HEARING, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF.
IF YOU WOULD, BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES.
UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU WILL HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.
STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST.
PART OF THE PRESENTATION WILL INCLUDE A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CHECK MARKS WILL INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X WILL INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION.
FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST.
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING, YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION.
YOU WILL BE INFORMED THAT THE TWO MINUTES ARE UP AND FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO ANOTHER SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES.
THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND TO PLEASE ANNOUNCE THAT YOU ARE GIVING UP YOUR YIELDING YOUR TIME.
IF THAT SPEAKER IS CALLED UP TO THE PODIUM, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
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DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED ITEMS? WE HAVE THREE POSTPONED ITEMS. ITEM 10, 13, AND 14.OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEMS 10, 13 AND 14 ON UH, GLENWOOD COURT, PINEBROOK, PRI, EXCUSE ME, PINE BROOK DRIVE AND CITADEL PLAZA RESPECTIVELY.
UH, THOSE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UH, YOU WILL RECEIVE NOTICE AND THEY WILL BE HEARD ON MAY 19TH.
WE HAD A SLIGHT MIX UP WITH OUR NOTICE MAILING AND SO WE ARE REMEDYING THAT, BUT THOSE ITEMS 10, 13 AND 14 WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
IF WE COULD JUST LIST THE ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING.
NUMBER ONE ARE CONSENT DOCKET PLEASE.
ITEMS IN THE COMBINED HEARING ARE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT 11 TO 12.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, YOU WANNA PULL ANY OR ALL OF THEM? WHY DO YOU SAY WE JUST DO ALL INDIVIDUAL? UH, NO, I'M KIDDING.
UH, ANY ITEMS TO BE PULLED? COMMISSIONERS LOOKING LEFT LOOKING RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, IF WE COULD PLEASE READ THE COMBINED HEARING.
NUMBER ONE CONSENT ITEMS INTO THE RECORD.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM C TWO CD WITH THE CONDITION OF USE FOR AUTO REPAIR SHOP TO C3 S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR AUTO PAIN AND BODY REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND PARTS PERMITTED BUT TOTALLY SCREEN FROM VIEW OF ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND PUBLIC ROADWAYS LOCATED AT 65 0 2 CALLAHAN ROAD.
ALL OVERLY, SIR, REMAIN THE SAME.
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THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET.ITEM 11, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM IDZ WITH MULTIFAMILY USES NOT TO EXCEED 12 UNITS PER ACRE BAR AND RESTAURANT TO IDZ, WHICH USE IDZ ONE, WHICH IS PERME C ONE MF 18 AND BAR AND TAVERN WITH NO COVER CHARGE.
THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK LOCATED AT 100 PROBAND STREET.
ALL OTHER OVERLAY TO REMAIN 16 NOTICES MAIL ZERO IN FAVOR.
ZERO OPPOSED LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR.
ITEM NUMBER 12, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM R FOUR TO I ONE LOCATED AT 10 21 1 SUMMERS DRIVE.
ALL ALTHOUGH OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
15 NOTICES MAIL THREE IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED? THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH HUNDRED FEET OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET.
UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THOSE ITEMS. VERY GOOD.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION MR. CHAIR? YES.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ITEMS NUMBER EIGHT 11 AND 12.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
OH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VE I HEARD HIM FIRST.
ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE.
THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS EIGHT 11 AND 12 BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VE UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THOSE THREE ITEMS, UH, YOU ARE WELCOME TO GO ABOUT THE REST OF YOUR DAY.
YOU WILL RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM THIS BODY AND YOU WILL HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND, UH, DOCKET, WHICH IS OUR CONTINUANCE HEARING FOR MAY 19TH.
UH, STAFF, IF YOU WOULD READ THOSE ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER SIX.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A MOTION MR. CHAIR? YES.
I MOVE TO, UH, CONTINUE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS TO THE MAY 19TH HEARING ITEM NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER SIX.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE.
THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MAY 19TH, 2026.
IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THOSE ITEMS, WE'LL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL, UH, HEARING DOCKET AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS AT ADE GOMEZ.
SONY SENIOR PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER ONE IS LOCATED AT 1 5 5 1 1 OAK GROVE DRIVE GOING FROM R SIX ERZD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO R 20 CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
THERE WERE 18 NOTICES SENT OUT AND ZERO IN FAVOR FOR OPPOSED OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET.
THE HILLS AND DALES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED TO THE REQUEST.
STAFF DOES FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SITUATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHILE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS ARE GENERALLY PERMITTED WITHIN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THE OPERATIONAL INTENSITY AND PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE REQUESTED CONS REQUESTED USE CONSTITUTED COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT THAT UNDERMINES A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
FURTHERMORE, THE INTEGRITY OF THE THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT PROCESS RELIES ON THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
ON CONSISTENT ADHERENCE TO UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS ESTABLISHED A DOCUMENTED PATTERN OF NON-COMPLIANCE, INCLUDING MULTIPLE PERMIT AND ZONING VIOLATIONS DATING BACK TO APRIL, 2021.
THE HISTORY OF DISREGARD FOR STANDARD DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES SUGGESTS THAT THE REQUEST REQUESTED USE MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY HARMONIOUSLY INTEGRATING TO THE EXISTING FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT FURTHER COMPROMISING THE SAFETY AND WELFARE FOR THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
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ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE AND YOU WANT TO SPEAK, PLEASE SIGN UP.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO SAUCE.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK NOTICE.
UH, MIKE ESCALANTE WITH SAS AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION.
WE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT 1 5 5 1 1 OAK GROVE DRIVE, ALLOWING FOR A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
THE SITE CONTAINS AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOUSE BUILT IN 1966 ON A 0.53 ACRE LOT.
THE HOUSE CONTAINS A COVERED PATIO, DETACHED LIVING AREA, WALKWAYS AND DRIVEWAYS.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS A CATEGORY TWO.
THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE, UH, WOULD ALLOW A RESTAURANT TO OCCUPY THE EXISTING HOUSE, THEREFORE NO INCREASE TO THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER.
UH, NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS IN A FLOODPLAIN AND NO SENSITIVE GEOLOGIC FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE.
WE, WE RECOMMEND, UH, APPROVING ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE SOLVES REPORT TO INCLUDE NO INCREASE TO THE, TO THE EXISTING 60% IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THE GREASE GREASE TRAP SHOULD BE SERVICED MONTHLY.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ONLY ONE SPEAKER PLEASE.
MY NAME IS RABBI TAL SHAUL AND I LIVE ON THAT ADDRESS OF 1 5 5 1 1 OAK GROVE DRIVE.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, TELL US ABOUT, UH, YOUR REQUEST AND ANYTHING YOU WANT US TO KNOW.
WE'VE BEEN, UH, OPERATING IN A, AS A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, A JEWISH COMMUNITY FROM, UH, THAT, UH, PROPERTY.
AND, UM, AS THINGS DEVELOP AND, UH, THANK GOD WE ARE GOING, OUR COMMUNITY, UM, WE WANTED TO OFFER TO THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OUR, UM, TO ALLOWED OUR KITCHEN TO OPERATE AS A COMMUNITY ONLY KITCHEN.
UM, WE NEVER HAD MADE ANY EFFORT TO INVITE OTHERS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT EVEN ONE TIME, UH, CAME AND, UM, SAID THAT WE ARE OPERATING A RESTAURANT.
WE WERE ABLE TO PUSH THEM AWAY IN A WAY BY, UH, SAYING THERE IS TWO FENCES YOU MUST GO THROUGH, TWO GATES THAT YOU DON'T GET THE CODE TO GET IN UNLESS WE ARE PERSONALLY OPEN THE GATE FOR YOU.
THEY WERE CONVINCED IT'S ONLY, UM, KITCHEN THAT OPERATING UNDER THE RELIGION INSTITUTE AND THEREFORE IT'S OUR RIGHT TO CONTINUE OFFER THIS SPECIAL FOOD TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, WE ARE HERE AFTER THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO REQUESTED US TO MAKE THIS, UH, ZONING CHANGE.
UM, AND AFTER THE DIRECTOR OF THIS BUILDING AT THE TIME, UH, HAS CAME AND SHOWED UP, HE EXPLAINED US THAT BECAUSE WE ARE FACING SO MANY COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE FRONT, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE LIVING OUR HOUSE, YOU WILL SEE A COMMERCIAL PLAZA.
AND THEN ON OUR RIGHT IT'S THE BACK END OF A GAS STATION.
SO TRUCKS, CARS, CONTINUOUS DRIVING THIS AREA ALL THE TIME, REGARDLESS TO OUR PRESENT AT THAT PLACE.
AND HE RECOMMEND THAT WE MAKE THIS, UH, CHANGE OF, UH, ZONING AND ACTUALLY THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
UH, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND WISHES TO YIELD THEIR TIME, PLEASE LET US KNOW AS WE CALL YOUR NAME.
SO, AGAIN, JUST TO HIT THIS FOR THE THIRD TIME, ALRIGHT.
IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR TIME TO SOMEONE, WHEN THAT PERSON OR YOU ARE CALLED TO SPEAK, STAND UP, LET US KNOW THAT YOU'RE GIVING YOUR TIME TO THAT PERSON.
SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, I AM GOING TO SPEAK, BUT COMMISSIONER HUEY AND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WANT TO GIVE ME THEIR TIME, THEY'LL CALL OUT MY NAME AND THEN COMMISSIONER HUEY, COMMISSIONER HUEY AND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA NEED TO STAND UP AND SAY, I WANT TO GIVE CHAIR BUSA MONTH.
IN THE ALTERNATIVE, IF COMMISSIONER HUEY IS CALLED AND HE WANTS TO GIVE HIS TIME TO ME, HE CAN JUST STAND UP AND SAY, I GIVE MY TIME TO CHAIR BUSANTE.
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EVERYONE TO SPEAK FOR TWO MINUTES AND THAT'LL BE IT.AND SIR, IF YOU WOULD, UH, YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS.
HARRISON AXO RESIDE AT 1 5 8 0 1 DOE LANE, 72 5 5 IN HILLS AND DALES NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'M REPRESENTING THE HILLS AND DALES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD IN MY COMMENTS TODAY.
THEY MAY HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO YOU IN A PACKET, BUT I'M GONNA READ AS MUCH AS TIME ALLOWS AND THEN, UH, IF THERE'S TIME REMAINING, WE'LL MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
UH, THE, UH, THE HILLS AND DALES BOARD, UH, OPPOSES THE REQUEST, SPECIFICALLY THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND OUR PRIMARY CONCERNS ARE TRAFFIC CONGESTION IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS AND PRESERVATION OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
FIRST OF ALL, TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
THE SITE INCLUDES IN THE CASE FILE SHOWS 22 RIGHT ANGLE PARKING SPOTS ON THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE PROPERTY'S PERIMETER FENCE AT THE INTERSECTION OF OAK GROVE AND GREEN GLEN DRIVES NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS CONSISTENTLY REPORT, REPORT AROUND 10 VEHICLES PARKING THERE NOW, PRESUMABLY PRIOR TO RESTAURANT OPERATION AND MORE DURING HOLIDAYS AND SPECIAL EVENTS, DOUBLING THE MEMBERS OF VE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES MAY BE PROBLEMATIC GIVEN THE GREEN GLAND IS, IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRANCE CLOSEST TO FIRE STATION NUMBER 34 ON BABCOCK.
SOME RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THE ADDITIONAL CONGESTION MAY IMPEDE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC IS ALREADY ROUTED TO THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE ONE WAY, UH, LOOP 16 FOUR ACCESS ROADS AND PEOPLE TAKE THEIR SHORTCUT TO GO TO 1604 EAST BY GOING DOWN GREEN GLEN AND ALL OTHER EAST WEST, UH, STREETS TO BABCOCK.
AND WE'RE AFRAID THAT THIS COULD CREATE A BOTTLENECK SITUATION.
SOME HOMEOWNERS ARE LIVING NEAREST TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, COMPLAIN ABOUT THE VOLUME AND HOURS OF MUSIC AND OTHER CELEBRATORY NOISE CAUSED BY OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
THE SAME NEIGHBORS SITE, OCCASIONAL INSTANCES OF TRAFFIC ACCUMULATION.
AND BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SEWERS, IT'S ALL ON SEPTIC.
UH, THESE, UH, NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A LARGE NUMBER OF GUESTS.
UH, IT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE IF THE INCONVENIENCES WERE CAUSED BY A FOOD SERVICE OR THE OTHER ACTIVITIES OF THE LOCATION.
UH, HOWEVER, THE BOARD IS CONCERNED THAT THE FOOD SERVICE WOULD BRING MORE PEOPLE TO THE LOCATION, AND WE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE.
IMPACT, UH, SINCE THE ZONE DESIGNATION IS PERMANENT, AS YOU ALL KNOW, UH, WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE, UH, SHOULD THE OWNER, CURRENT OWNERS SELL.
UH, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, WHAT THE NEXT OWNERS WOULD DO AND ALSO IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, WHICH OF COURSE WE HOPE EVERYBODY'S SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR BUSINESS VENTURES.
BUT, UH, EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT OPERATION WOULD BRING MORE PEOPLE AND MORE TRAFFIC AND INCREASE THE IMPACT.
UH, WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT.
UH, THE MAJORITY OF, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND HOMEOWNERS ARE OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL OR EVEN QUASI COMMERCIAL INTRUSION INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE WE WANNA KEEP OUR SINGLE FAMILY CHARACTER.
AND THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT POINT.
PRESERVATION OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
THE HILLS AND DALES RESIDENTS REPEATEDLY EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE CARRIER CHARACTER, THE COMMUNITY VALUES, ITS QUIET, FAMILY ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT AND HILL COUNTRY SETTING.
UH, WE DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THIS QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE PAID A PREMIUM TO SECURE.
OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS, UH, REQUESTED BY A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, BUT THAT REALLY HAD NO BEARING ON OUR DECISION HERE.
WE'VE GOT TWO OTHER CHURCHES, UH, THE SIKH CHURCH AND A CATHOLIC CHURCH BOTH ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, THE ISSUE WAS BASICALLY JUST THE FOOD SERVICE AND THE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE'RE AN OLD NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T HAVE, UH, RESTRICTIONS.
WE DEPEND ON THE ZONING AND THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSIONS TO ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS AND PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS.
UH, ALL OF OUR, UH, RESTRICTED COVERINGS HAVE LONG EXPIRED.
UH, PLEASE STICK AROUND YOU MI WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
SUSAN SHAW TO BE FOLLOWED BY CRAIG BERKOWITZ.
AND HAW, IF YOU WOULD, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
TELL US YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
MY NAME IS SUSANNA SHO OR KNOWN AS HAVA.
UM, MY ADDRESS IS 1 55 11 OAK GROVE DRIVE.
I ALMOST, I ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY THAT'S IN QUESTION.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION
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AND YOUR TIME.UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP SOME BRIEF POINTS.
I KNOW THAT IT KEEPS GETTING CALLED AS A RESTAURANT AND IT'S A RESTAURANT, BUT REALLY IT'S, IT BECAME A KITCHEN.
IT'S A COMMUNITY KITCHEN FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO COME AND ATTEND OUR SERVICES OR COME AND PRAY OR COME AND GATHER OR COME AND DO LUNCH AND LEARN.
WHEN MY HUSBAND IS DOING TORAH LESSONS, I'VE HAD PLENTY OF UTSA STUDENTS COME IN.
UM, AND IF THEY'RE LEARNING ABOUT MULTICULTURAL OR HAVING TO WRITE A REPORT ABOUT JUDAISM, THEY'VE CALLED US, WE'VE INVITED THEM IN, THEY GET TO SEE WHAT KOSHER FOOD IS, THEY GET TO SEE WHAT THE STOS LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO IT'S SERVING OTHER PURPOSES.
IT'S NOT A MAIN PLACE THAT YOU CAN JUST COME AND EAT.
UM, UNLESS YOU'RE KEEPING KOSHER, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA KNOW WE EXIST.
LIKE YOU HAVE TO GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO KNOW WHAT KOSHER FOOD IS.
AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT JUDAISM AND JUDAISM AS A WHOLE, IT KOSHER COMES AT THE BEHEST OF BEING JEWISH.
SO UNLESS YOU ARE JEWISH AND YOU'RE OBSERVANT AND YOU'RE KEEPING A STRICT KOSHER, UH, DIET, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK US UP.
YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO FIND WHERE YOU CAN EAT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TRAVELING THROUGH OR DRIVING THROUGH OR YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE HAVING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF 14, LIKE SOME OF US TOO DON'T FEEL LIKE COOKING, THEN WE OFFER, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN COME AND HAVE A SEAT AT OUR TABLE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY THAT IT'S NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF A RESTAURANT, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S WHAT'S IT'S BEING CALLED.
UM, ALSO I WANNA ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, HOMELAND SECURITY HAS OFFERED US GRANTS AND THAT'S WHY YOU WILL SEE TWO GATES AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR PROPERTY.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS FACING TWO, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, ONE OF WHICH IS VERY SCARY.
IT'S A DARK AISLE, IT'S A DARK ALLEY.
UM, AND A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN.
AND THANK GOD FOR HOMELAND SECURITY FOR ISSUING CAMERAS AND SECURITY CAMERAS.
HELLO, CRAIG BERKOWITZ, 6 0 6 SAN DIEGO.
I'M CEO OF THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF SAN ANTONIO.
FOR MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY, KOSHER IS NOT A PREFERENCE.
WITHOUT ESTABLISHMENTS LIKE THIS, A SEGMENT OF SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS CANNOT FULLY PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AND UNIVERSAL AS EATING OUT MEETING COLLEAGUES FOR LUNCH OR CELEBRATING LIFE EVENTS IN A PUBLIC SETTING.
SO WHILE THIS MAY APPEAR TO BE A STANDARD ZONING REQUEST, THE IMPACT IS MUCH BROADER.
IT'S A ESSENTIAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ALLOWS JEWISH LIFE TO BE LIVED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
AND I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT POINT.
INFRASTRUCTURE WE INVEST IN PARKS AND LIBRARIES AND COMMUNITY SPACES BE BECAUSE THEY MAKE OUR CITY LIVABLE FOR ALL RESIDENTS.
IN THE SAME WAY, THIS ESTABLISHMENT ENABLES A SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION TO LIVE, TO WORK AND CONTRIBUTE FULLY TO THIS CITY.
THERE IS ALSO A BROADER CIVIC BENEFIT.
SAN ANTONIO CONTINUES TO POSITION ITSELF AS A WELCOMING, DIVERSE, AND GLOBALLY CONNECTED CITY.
SUPPORTING INSTITUTIONS LIKE THIS REINFORCES THAT COMMITMENT, NOT IN WORDS, BUT IN ACTION.
AND IMPORTANTLY, THIS IS NOT AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT CAN BE EASILY, UH, RELOCATED OR REPLICATED.
KOSHER ESTABLISHMENTS OPERATE UNDER, OPERATE UNDER STRICT DIETARY LAWS AND SUPERVISION.
THERE ARE HIGHER COSTS, TIGHTER CONSTRAINTS, AND A MUCH SMALLER CUSTOMER BASE.
THAT FACT THAT THIS ESTABLISHMENT EXISTS AND HAS SUSTAINED ITSELF IS A TESTAMENT TO BOTH THE NEED AND THE COMMITMENT BEHIND IT.
LOSING IT OR LIMIT LIMITING ITS ABILITY TO OPERATE WOULD NOT SIMPLY REDUCE DINING OPTIONS.
IT WOULD REDUCE ACCESS, INCLUSION AND PARTICIPATION FOR A MEANINGFUL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD RESPECTFULLY URGE THE BOARD TO VOTE THIS REQUEST THROUGH THAT BROADER LENS.
ADIR PERITZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY ISRAEL.
I AM PART OF THE HOBA, I'M THE CANTOR AND THE, UM, KO, I READ THE TORAH FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, WHEN THE RABBI MOVED TO THE HILLS AND DALES, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT YOU NOTICE WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE COMMUNITY IS AS THE HOA MEMBER SAID, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SINGLE RE UM, SINGLE HOME RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMMUNITY.
DID YOU GIVE YOUR, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS.
WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU SEE BEAUTIFUL HOMES.
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ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE CHOSE TO MOVE THERE.IT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL SPOT TO LIVE.
WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO INTENTION OF RUINING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ITS PERSONALITY, BUT YOU CANNOT OVERLOOK THE FACT THAT THE HO REPRESENTATIVE ALSO MENTIONED THERE'S A CHURCH, A CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND A SIKH TEMPLE IN THAT SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE ARGUMENT THAT OUR SHOUL WOULD SOMEHOW IMPACT THAT SORT OF FALLS ON ITS FACE.
UM, ANOTHER ISSUE WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S THE HILLS AND DALES BAR.
THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HOA MENTIONED TRAFFIC AND PERHAPS BLOCKING EMERGENCY SERVICES.
I FIND THAT LAUGHABLE BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY, ANYBODY WHO PULL INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL SEE HUNDREDS OF CARS PARKED ALONGSIDE ALL THE RESIDENTS HOMES.
WE DON'T COME CLOSE TO DOING ANYTHING OF THAT SORT.
AND WE ESPECIALLY DON'T BLOCK ANY TRAFFIC OR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
THAT IS NOT OUR INTENTION HERE.
THIS IS A PRIVATE RESTAURANT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND TO CALL IT A RESTAURANT IS EVEN GOING A LITTLE FAR.
IT'S SIMPLY A COMMUNITY PLACE WHERE WE COME AND EAT.
SO THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS FOR THE SAKE OF A BUSINESS.
IT IS FOR THE SAKE OF JEWISH PEOPLE HAVING THE ABILITY TO COME AND EAT FOOD THAT IS KOSHER SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THE LAWS GIVEN TO US BY GOD.
WE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG HERE AND TO GOD.
AND THIS IS A VERY, VERY RELEVANT KEY AND, AND KEY POINT.
UH, MR. BEN DAVID, YOU'RE GIVING YOUR TIME TO MOLAND.
ALRIGHT, MR. MILAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME DOWN.
IT'S GONNA BE PROCESSED RIGHT NOW.
NO, YOU WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES IF YOU WOULD NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 9 7 4 3 IN CINO WAY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
UH, I'M A CITY PLANNER TRAINED A ICP.
I'M ALSO FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR.
HONORED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, UH, THE RABBI ASKED ME, UH, TO ASSIST WITH NAVIGATING THE ZONING PROCESS AND THANKS TO THE CITY FOR THEIR NAVIGATION AS WELL.
AND SO, JUST A FEW THINGS JUST WANNA POINT OUT AGAIN TO ADD TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID.
UM, THE PREMISES DOES HAVE A SMALL, UH, WORSHIP FACILITY ON SITE.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 20 BY 20, UH, IN ADDITION TO WHAT I WOULD CALL THE, THE DINING FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE ENTIRE SITE FUNCTIONS, THERE'S ALSO AN OPEN AREA IN THE BACK FOR EVENTS AND THINGS.
AND IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE WHERE THE RABBI, UH, RESIDES.
AND SO IN TERMS OF THE WAY ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, THE THE DINING FACILITY, THE WORSHIP AREA, AND THE OUTDOOR AREA, IT REALLY, IN MY OPINION AS A CITY PLANNER AND AS SOMEBODY THAT WORKS IN LAND USE, IT BEHAVES LIKE A CHURCH SIMILAR TO THE CHURCHES THAT A LOT OF US GO TO.
YOU KNOW, OUR CHURCHES HAVE A SANCTUARY.
UM, THEY HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE AREAS, UH, THEY ALSO HAVE AREAS FOR DINING, WHICH ARE COMMUNAL.
UH, USUALLY THOSE AREAS ARE USED, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE TIME WHEN, WHEN WORSHIP HAPPENS ON SUNDAYS.
BUT THEY ALSO HAPPEN DURING THE WEEK, WEDNESDAYS, THURSDAYS, OTHER TIMES.
AND SO THIS DINING AREA, I WOULD CALL IT FUNCTIONS VERY MUCH THE SAME.
UM, IT, IT DOES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND THE FACT THAT THE PLACE WHERE A LOT OF US PROBABLY ATE FOR LUNCH TODAY, YOU DON'T JUST DECIDE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I, I MET THE RABBI, IT WASN'T A PLACE FROM, I'M GONNA GO THERE TODAY BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES, THERE'S A GATE THERE.
UM, IT'S VERY MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S USED BY THE CONGREGATION AND USED BY THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
SO AGAIN, JUST EMPHASIZE IT DOESN'T BEHAVE LIKE, LIKE A CHURCH DOES, WHERE IT COULD POTENTIALLY, OR LIKE A RESTAURANT DOES, WHERE IT COULD POTENTIALLY GROW.
UM, AND, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONTROL OVER THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE RABBI IN THE CHURCH, THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE EXTENT TO WHICH THIS RESTAURANT IS USED.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE DAYS WHERE, OH MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S SWAMPED AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEOPLE WAITING OUT THE DOOR.
AGAIN, IT'S USED BY THIS CONGREGATION AND USED BY THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
SO I CAN, I WANNA EMPHASIZE IT.
IT'S VERY MUCH HAS THE, IS A VERY CONTROLLED DINING FACILITY AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE VERY CONTROLLED, UM, AND, AND ACT AS SOMETHING WHICH, UH, CAN FUNCTION.
UM, AND THEY CAN WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTINUE TO BE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BE SOMETHING THAT COMPLIMENTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND I KNOW WORKING WITH THEM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED.
THEY HAVE BEEN AND THEY CONTINUE TO BE VERY INTERESTED AND MAKE SURE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT ADDS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMPLIMENTARY AND HELPS THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUILD.
UH, ONE OTHER THING I JUST REALLY WANT TO ADD TO, AGAIN, JUST AS SOMEBODY THAT HAS WORKED IN PLANNING, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, YOU KNOW, ZONE CHANGE IS STANDARD, THAT'S, THAT'S STANDARD.
UM, BUT THE CONDITIONAL, UH, PERMIT THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO, UM, THAT AFFORDS, UH, Y'ALL AS THE COMMISSION, THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE CERTAIN CONDITIONS ON THERE.
SO IT'S, UH, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS ISN'T AN ALL OR NOTHING, UM, TYPE OF THING.
UH, AND THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES
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HERE FOR Y'ALL TO, TO PLACE CONDITIONS ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT YOU FEEL WOULD ENSURE THAT, UH, THAT THIS, UM, THAT THIS USE, THIS DINING FACILITY A RESTAURANT, IF YOU WILL, IF THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY CALL IT THERE, Y'ALL DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPOSE CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WORKS GREAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WORKS FOR THE APPLICANTS TO, AND, AND THEN THE LAST THING I WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS THAT Y'ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CONCERNS THAT Y'ALL HAVE AND YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE TOTALLY COMFORTABLE APPROVING IT TODAY, WE WOULD TOTALLY BE HAPPY TO TABLE THE ITEM, UH, INVEST MORE TIME AND WORK WITH STAFF, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN COME BACK AND, AND, UH, AND COME BACK AT A TIME WHERE EVERYBODY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.WE'RE HAPPY TO TABLE AND, AND DO MORE WORK AND, AND GET GUIDANCE FROM Y'ALL, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE AGAIN.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
AND I'M SORRY, CANNOT MAKE OUT THEIR HANDWRITING, BUT IT'S NINETY SEVEN THIRTY TWO.
JUST TELL US YOUR NAME WHEN YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE AND YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS.
MY NAME IS LUIS HERNANDEZ AND I LIVE A 9 7 3 2 IN HIS PLACE, BERNIE, TEXAS.
AND I'M A CONGREGANT AT THE ISRAELI HABA.
AND THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD, IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS REALLY BEEN SAID VERY NICELY, CLEARLY, IS THAT OFTEN WE MAY CONFUSE WHAT'S CALLED A RESTAURANT FOR PROFIT.
AND WHAT IS A COMMUNAL DINING ROOM? THE ONLY REASON WHY WE SHOWCASE IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, RESTAURANT OR THIS PARTICULAR AREA TRANSACTIONS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE FOOD.
IN FACT, WE'RE A A 5 0 1 C3 ORGANIZATION AND WE ARE LOW ABIDING CITIZENS WHICH HAVE ONLY ONE INTEREST IN MIND.
AND IT'S TO BECOME A GOOD CITIZEN TO THE COMMUNITY, TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORS, TO BE GOOD TO OUR NEIGHBORS, AND TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM A RIGHT IN OUR ABILITY TO WORSHIP IN THE RELIGION THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN, WHICH IS THE JEWISH RELIGION.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF VIOLATING TRAFFIC OR BECOME NOISY
BUT WE ALSO APPRECIATE IF YOU CONSIDER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXERCISE A RIGHT TO WORSHIP, WHICH INCLUDES CONSUMING KOSHER FOOD, WHICH IS A BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE FOR US.
DAN NEED LEVY, DO YOU WANT TO YIELD YOUR TIME TO ANYBODY OR JUST WAIVE IT? MR. LEVY IS GOING TO GIVE US TIME TO, ANYONE WANT IT? ALRIGHT.
ERIC, IS HE NEXT? YOU SEE NEXT? NOW WE CAN, WE CAN GET HIM NOW.
ERIC, YOU CAN COME UP
AND YOUR ADDRESS AND, AND YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 9 4 1 5 EASY OAK.
I AM A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO AND A CURRENT STUDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT SAN ANTONIO.
I'M SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY, IS THE STUDENT PRESIDENT OF ISRAELI CALLED BON ON CAMPUS OF SAN ANTONIO.
I'VE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO ALL MY LIFE AND I LOVE THE CITY.
I ALSO LOVE BEING ABLE TO EXPRESS MY IDENTITY AS A JEWISH PERSON, ENGAGE WITH OTHER STUDENTS IN MULTICULTURAL SETTINGS, AND ALSO EMPOWER OTHER JEWISH STUDENTS TO FEEL SAFE, ESPECIALLY IN A TIME LIKE THIS WHERE WHEN YOU OPEN THE NEWS, YOU SEE ANOTHER STABBING, ANOTHER THREAT, AND ANOTHER, OH, MY COUSIN JUST GOT, UM, CALLED THE K WORD.
OUR MISSION OF THE ON CAMPUS IS TO CREATE A SAFE SPACE FOR JEWISH STUDENTS AT UT SAN ANTONIO.
IN TERMS OF INSECURITY, ANTISEMITISM, A KEY ASPECT OF THE MISSION IS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE JEWISH STUDENTS WITH KOSHER FOOD.
SAN ANTONIO, AGAIN, IS AN AMAZING CITY.
HOWEVER, IT HAS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF WHAT HAS BEEN WHAT I AGREED TO BE REFERRED AS JEWISH INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS, THIS ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IS NOT A RESTAURANT, BUT AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, A COMMUNAL FOOD AREA ALLOWS STUDENTS, SOME FROM, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO ARE JUST EXPERIENCING SAN ANTONIO FOR THE FIRST TIME TO FEEL SAFE AND WELCOMED AS WELL AS TO THE WYLER COMMUNITY.
AND AS, AND A, EXCUSE ME, AND ASSIST THE CITY'S MULTICULTURAL AND ACCEPTING MOSAIC.
THIS IS NOT A THREAT TO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER THAT'S BEING DEFINED.
IT ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS JEWISH IANS TO COME TO A SAFE SPACE, EAT FOOD TO OUR CUSTOMS AND RELIGIOUS OBLIGATIONS TOGETHER.
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WHAT'S THE TIME YOU HAVE? TWO MINUTES AND 20 SECONDS.HOW MUCH MORE TIME? OH, TWO MINUTES.
I AGAIN WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS NOT A RESTAURANT FOR PROFIT.
THIS IS NOT A, SOME SORT OF, OH, COME HERE.
AND IT'S NOT SOME SPEAKEASY
THE PEOPLE BRING AGAINST THIS I KNOW ARE SAYING, OH, BECAUSE IT'S LISTED ON GOOGLE.
SOMETHING INCREDIBLY HARD TO EDIT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND IT IS MAINLY JUST LISTED AS THAT.
SO PEOPLE FROM OUTTA TOWN WHO ARE RELIGIOUS CAN SEE, OH, THERE IS A PLACE I CAN BRING MY KIDS AND EAT WHILE I'M IN TOWN, ABLE TO EAT AND THEN LEAVE.
WE HAVE THE GATES BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD THREATS BEFORE AS UH, UM, IC AND HAVA MENTIONED.
THERE IS ALLEYS AROUND, THERE'S ROWDY BARS AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN.
I WISH THE GATES WERE NOT NEEDED.
I WISH IT WAS WHERE SOMEWHERE ELSE SOMEONE COULD GO MAKE A FOR-PROFIT KOSHER RESTAURANT.
THEY CAN'T, MULTIPLE HAVE TRIED AND THEY HAVE FAILED FOR BUSINESS REASONS AT UM, OR TO CLOSE DOWN DUE, DUE TO THREATS IN THE PAST.
THUS, THIS COMMUNAL KITCHEN IS CONNECTED TO OUR SYNAGOGUE, ALLOWS US TO NOT SIMPLY BE INVOLVED WITH OURSELVES, BUT BE INVOLVED AS ACTIVE MEMBERS OF SAN ANTONIO.
THE ACTIVE, MULTICULTURAL, DIVERSE THING THAT IS SAN ANTONIO, THUS, ONCE AGAIN, SORRY, MY MOUTH DRY RIGHT BEFORE THIS.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A THREAT TO THE CHARACTER, WHICH I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY'RE DEFINING HOW A, THEY DEFINE IT AS A SINGLE.
AS A FAMILY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DO NOT SEE HOW THIS CONFLICTS.
IT JUST AS A CHURCH OR ANY OTHER PLACE OF WORSHIP DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH THE CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHICH AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY'RE DEFINING THAT.
THIS IS A PLACE WHERE I AND OTHERS CAN FEEL AT HOME.
AND IT'S NOT A PLACE OF SOME ROWDY CRAZY
IT'S NOT A BAR, IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT IN A PROFIT SENSE, IT IS A COMMUNAL KITCHEN.
HI, MY NAME IS HANNAN KAUFMAN.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 4 1 0 2 SHALON PLACE.
I WORK AS DIRECTOR OF THE NEVADA CASTRO.
IT IS A BODY THAT, UM, IS AN AGENCY THAT CERTIFIES AND SUPERVISES KO ESTABLISHMENTS.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA EMPHASIZE HOW BIG OF A NEED IS HAVING A PLACE LIKE THIS.
WE JUST MOVED FROM URUGUAY A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND, UH, FOR US, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING FOR PLACES WE LOOK FOR, IS THERE KOSHER PLACES TO GO OUT TO? IT IS, IT'S A REAL NEED.
UM, ANOTHER EXAMPLE, A FEW MONTHS AGO WE HAD A, WE HAD A BABY, MY WIFE AND, AND ME.
AND, UM, ON THE SAME DAY, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FOOD, UH, READY FOR US, NO FRIENDS TO CALL NO FAMILY HERE.
AND THE RABBI IS THE RABBI'S WIFE.
SHE BROUGHT US FROM HIS, FROM HER PERSONAL KITCHEN FOOD FOR US TO THE HOSPITAL.
SO FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST DAY, HAVING A PLACE LIKE THIS, IT'S A REAL NECESSITY.
NOW, THE MAIN CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO, IS IT'S TO TRAFFIC.
I REALLY WISH THE RABBI AND AND HIS WIFE SO MUCH SUCCESS THAT IT BECOMES, IT BECOMES A PROBLEM AND THEY NEED TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT THE, THE CULTURE DEMAND, THE DEMAND FOR CULTURE.
KO FOOD IN SAN ANTONIO IS NOT THAT BIG.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT, THAT THE, THE PEOPLE THAT NEED IT, THEY REALLY NEED IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA USE YOUR LAST NAME ANYWAY, SO IT'S OKAY.
BUT IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD REPEAT YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME IS MAUREEN MOLTON.
I LIVE AT 1 5 5 3 0 OAK GROVE, TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
I HAVE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1968.
I AM AWARE OF THE CHURCHES THAT HAVE GROWN THERE.
SORRY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? UM, AND I HAVE MY TWO MINUTES STATEMENT.
UM, I HAVE SOME POINTS TO MAKE.
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SEVERAL THAT THEY'VE ALREADY MADE.IT IS BEING ADVERTISED ON GOOGLE AS A PUBLIC RESTAURANT WITH DINE-IN TAKEOUT AND DELIVERY IT LIST HOURS AND PRICES.
UM, SO IT IS BEING ADVERTISED AS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, AND I DO CONSISTENTLY SEE THE GATES OPEN.
I KNOW THAT THEY TRY AND KEEP THEM CLOSED, BUT THEY'RE CONSISTENTLY OPEN PARKING, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY EVERY WEEK.
CARS PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF OAK GROVE DRIVE BLOCKING THE ROADWAY DELIVERY TRUCK STOP MID STREET.
AND I HAVE FOR, I HAVE SENT IN, UH, PICTURES FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, THIS RIGHT HERE AND THIS, SORRY.
UM, IT, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES CANNOT SAFELY PASS.
THIS IS NOT A TRAFFIC CONCERN IS A PUBLIC SAFETY FAILURE THAT VIOLATES UDC SECTION 35 DASH 5 26 ON THE OFF STREET PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS A STEPPING STONE TO FULL COMMERCIAL ZONING.
I WANT TO BE DIRECT ABOUT WHAT THIS IS.
APPLICATION REALLY IS, THE CONDITIONAL USE IS NOT THE IN GOAL.
ONCE APPROVED, THE OWNER WILL BE, HAVE ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL USE ON THIS PROPERTY, MAKING IT SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER TO LATER APPLY FOR FOUR COMMERCIAL ZONING TO C ONE OR C TWO.
UM, I DID WANT TO, UM, STATE THAT I, I AM WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THIS IS OPPOSITION IS NOT PERSONAL, IS NOT DIRECTED AT ANY INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS OR COMMUNITY.
AND WE RESPECT TO THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED.
IT IS ABOUT ZONING, COMPATIBILITY, PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THE DOCUMENTED IMPACT OF COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO NOTE THAT TALL DOES NOT LIVE ON SITE.
HE LIVES AT 1 5 8 1 5 OAK GROVE UP THE HILL ON WI WILD EAGLE.
UM, THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IN THE AREA ARE THE SIN, UH, THE SIKH TEMPLE AND THE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
I LIVE AT 7 3 1 5 GREEN GLEN DRIVE, WHICH IS THE FURTHEST TO THE LEFT HERE ON GREEN GLEN.
AND I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE, UH, SEPTEMBER OF 1999.
AND I AM NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S WANTING TO BE RECLASSIFIED ONLY, THAT IT NEEDS TO BE RECLASSIFIED.
AND THAT BEING THE CASE, THEY REFER TO IT AS A COMMUNITY.
BUT I AM A PART OF THIS GREATER COMMUNITY AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO ACCESS THE, THIS FOOD THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR A PRICE THAT IS, I I'M NOT AWARE OF POLITICS OR RELIGIONS OR WHAT'S INVOLVED IN HOW IT WORKS.
ONLY THAT IF IT'S TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR NOT, AND OBVIOUSLY, OR APPARENTLY IT WILL NOT BE UNLESS YOU'RE A PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
IS IS, IS THAT THE CASE OR IS IT FOR ALL THE COMMUNITY? THAT IS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS RESTAURANT NOW, AS FOR PARKING? YES, IT'S A MESS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RESTAURANT OR THE CLUB THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD.
AND, UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AN AMBULANCE GOT STUCK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT PROCEED DOWN THE ROADWAY BECAUSE OF THE VEHICLES PARKED ON BOTH SIDES.
NOW SINCE THEN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.
BUT WHEN AND IF THIS FACILITY DECIDES TO HAVE A FUNCTION THAT WILL REQUIRE THAT THEY PARK DOWN GREEN GLEN PARKING AND ACCESS TO THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM WHENEVER THAT ARISES.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A HOUSE, IT'S A COMMUNITY.
IT'S WHERE I'VE LIVED FOR 26 YEARS.
UM, EVERYBODY KNOWS ME AS PAUL.
I'VE, UH, MY, MY ADDRESS IS 7 3 0 7 GREEN GLEN DRIVE.
UM, I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY, UH, BEING, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF, OF, OF THE HEARING.
UM, I AM OPPOSED, UM, I THINK THE PRIMARY REASON IS, UH,
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THE REDUCTION OF, OF, OF THE PROPERTY VALUES.WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO A RESTAURANT? UM, I I, I DO NOT THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE RE REZONED AS A RESTAURANT IF IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL, UH, PROPERTY.
I'VE BEEN ON CHURCH BUILDING COMMITTEES WHERE, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PARISH HALL DOES NOT, UH, A CHURCH DOES NOT NEED TO BE ZONED COMMERCIAL TO FEED.
UM, UH, RABBI TAAL TOLD ME HIMSELF THAT HE DOES NOT RESIDE ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR ME FROM THE VERY BEGINNING WAS PRAISE AND DISREGARD OF, OF, OF NEIGHBORS BY HAVING EXTREMELY LOUD DJ STYLE PARTIES, UM, AND LIVE CONCERTS IN THE BACKYARD.
IT'S A SMALL HOUSE, UH, 2000 SQUARE FEET ABOUT, UM, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR, FOR, FOR PEOPLE, UH, TO, TO ONLY, UH, PLAY MUSIC INSIDE.
SO EVERYTHING SPILLS OUT TO THE BACKYARD.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO MY BEDROOM.
UM, I CAN, I HAVE VIDEOS, UH, TO, TO PROVE THAT.
UM, AND ANOTHER THING, IT IS A SPOT ZONE CHANGE THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF, OF, OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THERE IT IS IMPORTANT TO IT.
I'LL GIVE YOU ONE MORE MINUTE.
UM, IT, IT'S, IT IS RELEVANT TO NOTE THAT MR. SHAW IS THE OWNER OR A PART OWNER OF AT LEAST NINE SHORT-TERM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN, IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE, THE ONE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME I KNOW HAS HAD MULTIPLE ONGOING COMPLAINTS ABOUT A A ABOUT EXTREMELY LOUD PARTIES.
UM, LAST FRIDAY ON MAY 1ST, THERE WERE, THERE WAS A MASSIVE PARTY.
POLICE WERE CALLED TO HAVE A POLICE REPORT, UH, NUMBER.
UM, AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN, THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
UM, AND THE REST AND THE, AND, AND THE RESTAURANT IS ADVERTISING ITSELF AS, AS A COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT.
UH, YAMI KOSHER GRILL.COM, YOU KNOW, IS IT'S OPEN RIGHT NOW, UM, AND, AND HAS BEEN SINCE AT LEAST 2023.
SO THE DISREGARD FOR THE CITY RULES IS, THANK YOU.
NAME IS RABBI YOS MARRIS, 1 2 7 ABERDEEN IN BERNIE.
I'M THE RABBI THAT REPRESENTS THE HILL COUNTRY AND BERNIE.
AND, UH, I'M A COLLEAGUE OF RABBI TA.
SO WE RUN THE SISTER ORGANIZATION IN THE HILL COUNTRY.
AND I WOULD FIRST BEGIN BY SAYING THAT, UH, IF HE WAS RUNNING A GREAT RESTAURANT, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT HIS PROFIT MARGINS ARE, BECAUSE AS A COLLEAGUE, I KNOW THAT HE LOSES MONEY EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
THERE'S NO PURPOSE, UH, TO THIS RESTAURANT REALLY, EXCEPT PROVIDING THE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT POINT IN CASE.
UM, VERY OFTEN I SPEAK CHRISTIAN GROUPS AND OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS THROUGHOUT THE HILL COUNTRY AND THEY'LL SAY, OH, WHY DON'T YOU JOIN IN US IN THE FELLOWSHIP HALL FOR LUNCH OR BRUNCH OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND OF COURSE, THEY ASK ME TO RECIPROCATE AND I TELL 'EM, WELL, I HAVE A PROBLEM THAT I I DON'T HAVE KOSHER FOOD UNLESS MY WIFE IS GOING TO COOK IT FOR YOU.
SO, SPEAKING TO WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER, THIS IS A VERY GREAT NEED FROM MEMBERS OF THE BERNIE CITY HALL, UH, FREDERICKSBURG CITY HALL.
WHEN I NEED TO MEET WITH THEM, UH, IT'S EITHER STARBUCKS OR MERIT COFFEE, OR I COME HERE TO SAN ANTONIO TO HAVE A QUICK BITE TO EAT AND A MEETING.
SO WE'RE WELCOMING THEM INTO THIS SPACE, WHICH AS WE HEARD BEFORE, IS REALLY A COMMUNITY SPACE.
AND I URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US.
UH, WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING, UH, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GRAB A BITE TO LUNCH.
UH, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUT OF ALL THE WONDERFUL RESTAURANTS IN BERNIE, IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, WE CAN'T EAT AT ANY OF THEM.
SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
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HI.MY NAME IS RABBI LEVI TALDON, 1 4 2 2 6 CAVALCADE STREET.
UM, BEEN SERVING THE JEWISH COMMUNITY SAN ANTONIO FOR OVER 15 YEARS.
MOST RECENTLY, UH, I LEAD A JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN.
UM, AND I CAN SHARE SOMETHING THAT I SEE, UM, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND THAT'S PEOPLE EITHER THROUGH EMAIL OR THROUGH OUR WEBSITE, THROUGH CALLING AND SAYING, UM, WE'RE TRAVELING, WE'RE VISITING, WE'RE AT A CONVENTION, AT A CONFERENCE.
WHERE CAN I FIND KOSHER FOOD? KOSHER FOOD IS NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE JEWISH COMMUNITY, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERY CITY.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY AND BEING WELCOMING PLACE ECONOMICALLY, GAS, THE GASTRONOMICAL, UH, ELEMENT OF A CITY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT, UH, IN TERMS OF BEING A WELCOMING PLACE.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AND THIS MATTERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN ORDER FOR SAN ANTONIO TO RETAIN ITS CHARACTER, ITS CULTURE OF ACCEPTANCE AND DIVERSITY, AND A PLACE THAT CELEBRATES EACH OTHER'S CUSTOMS, TRADITIONS, BACKGROUNDS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT A CITY HAS THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
I'LL JUST CONCLUDE WITH SOMETHING.
UH, JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, A WOMAN CALLED, SHE'S IN TOWN AT A HOTEL DOWNTOWN AT A CONFERENCE.
UM, SHE'S KOSHER, OBSERVANT AND DIABETIC.
AND SHE WAS ACTUALLY IN A, IN A STATE OF PANIC BECAUSE THE CONFERENCE HAD PROMISED HER A KOSHER MEAL.
IT WAS INEDIBLE, IT LACKED BASIC KOSHER CERTIFICATION.
UM, I QUICKLY, UH, MESSAGED HER THE MENU AND, UH, FROM THE WEBSITE AS WELL AS, UM, RABBI TALON CHAVAS PHONE NUMBERS.
AND SHE TEXTED ME WITHIN 15 MINUTES, THEY'RE MAKING A MEAL.
AND WITHIN AN HOUR SHE TEXTED ME, UBER DELIVERED IT, THANKS TO THE RABBI AND HIS WIFE DOWNTOWN.
SO I STRONGLY URGE AND RECOMMEND, UH, THAT YOU PASS THIS, UH, REZONING BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR CITY.
THANK YOU RABBI, TO THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, RABBI SHAW, YOU'LL HAVE A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF YOU WANT TO USE IT.
HOW ABOUT THAT?
UM, I CAN DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW SITTING BEHIND THE, THE STAGE HEARING, UH, POSE AND AGAINST, UH, OUR REQUEST.
UH, TEACHING YOU KO LAW WILL TAKE US A COUPLE OF DAYS, MUCH MORE THAN, UH, THE THREE MINUTES THAT YOU GAVE ME.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT EACH AND EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT OPPOSING AND, UM, LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, WHAT THE FUTURE WILL BRING, THAT THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN EAT.
IT'S EITHER LAYS THAT HAVE OU IN A GAS STATION OR HB EB OR AT OUR KITCHEN.
OUR ATTEND IS, I HEARD THAT WITH VOICES THAT SAYING TO WHICH COMMUNITY? WHAT, WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY OR HOW YOU DEFINE THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, PEOPLE THAT NEED TO EAT KOSHER FOOD, YOU WILL NOT SPEND F THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A BURGER THAT WE GOING TO IN OUR PLACE.
NOBODY IN THIS ROOM WILL SPEND THAT MONEY UNLESS THEY NEED TO EAT KOSHER FOOD.
AND THEN THEY ARE WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA STEP OR TO SPEND THE EXTRA MONEY IN ORDER TO GET THAT KOSHER HAMBURGER.
THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US.
IT DOESN'T MAKE NO MONEY ON THE VICE VERSA.
MY COLLEAGUE, UH, MENTIONED IT, IT TAKE A LOT OF ENERGY AND EFFORT FROM MY WIFE AND I, MOSTLY MY WIFE, BUT, UM, SHE DRAGGED ME ALONG
SO, UM, I'M REQUESTING, UH, TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE APO THAT OPPOSE A REQUEST TO KEEP SPEAKING AND, UM, CONSIDERING THEIR, WHAT WORRIES THEM AND TO COME TO THIS PLACE IN A, A GREATER AGREEMENT.
UNITY IS A BIG CONCEPT IN THE JEWISH TRADITION THAT WE ALL UNITED AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO GO AND THIS EXTRA STEP THAT WE
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REQUESTED, WE WERE REQUESTED TO, TO MAKE.UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT EIGHT CASE COMMISSIONER KELLY TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, IT'S OBVIOUS THERE'S A LOT OF PASSION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE AND, UH, I FRANKLY AM A LITTLE TORN ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIMARILY TRAFFIC IMPACTS.
UH, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE TOTAL ISSUE, BUT PRIMARILY TRAFFIC IMPACTS SEEM TO BE A BIG ISSUE.
UH, AND YET IT'S OBVIOUS THERE'S A LOT OF PASSION IN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY FOR HAVING ACCESS TO THE KOSHER FOOD, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL.
UM, HAVING HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, VISIT THERE, I I WOULD SAY IT'S A FOOD SERVICE OPERATION, BUT NOT REALLY WHAT I WOULD CALL A RESTAURANT.
BUT, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY QUIBBLING ABOUT DETAILS.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S WAYS TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THE, UH, FACILITY, UH, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S CLEAR THAT I, I'VE DRIVEN, I I LIVE NOT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT FAIRLY NEARBY AND I'VE DRIVEN, UH, DOWN THE STREET THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND SEEMS LIKE THERE'S OFTEN A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE.
I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE, UNDER THE CURRENT OPERATION, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY, UH, CONGREGATES ARE SERVED ON, UH, ON ANY GIVEN DAY WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF, COULD THE RABBI, IF YOU, IF YOU'D COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PODIUM, PLEASE COME UP AND GIVE US AN ANSWER ON THAT, PLEASE.
WE OFFERING DAILY SERVICE IN THE MORNING AT 8:00 AM THAT'S, SAY WHEN USUALLY 10 CONGREGANTS COMING TOGETHER, WE NEED TO HAVE 10 IN ORDER TO READ, UH, SPECIFIC PARTS IN THE PRAYER.
WE'RE TRYING, UH, SOMETIMES 11, 12, BUT NO MORE THAN THAT.
OUR, UH, UM, THE RESTAURANT ITSELF, IF THAT'S THE CONCERN OF THE PARKING, THE RESTAURANT ITSELF, IT'S USUALLY ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE CARS THAT ARE PARKING IN BEHIND THE FENCE THAT, AGAIN, WAS AWARDED TO US.
SO, UH, BY HOMELAND SECURITY AS THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR BEING.
RABBI, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SIT A LITTLE CLOSER,
I, I DID HAVE, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOU IN TIME, BUT I HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
THERE'S SOME, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THERE'S SORT OF SOME VACANT AREA ON THE CORNER OF YOUR PROPERTY WHERE THE TWO STREETS INTERSECT.
I JUST WONDERED IF YOU'VE CONSIDERED USING THAT, OPENING THAT UP AND USING THAT AS PARKING SPACE.
THAT WOULDN'T TOTALLY SOLVE THE PARKING ISSUE.
I REALIZE THAT, BUT IT MIGHT TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF THE PARKING ISSUE.
AS BRANDON MENTIONED, HE'S THE ENGINEER, HE'S WORKING WITH THE CITY WITH US, UH, TO RESOLVE PARKING ISSUE.
BUT IT'S, YOU HAVE TO GO ONE PROBLEM AT A TIME AND UNFORTUNATELY, FIRST THE, WE RECOMMEND BY THE CITY TO FIRST WORRY ABOUT THE ZONING, THEN TO WORRY ABOUT THE PARKING.
BUT THE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE DEFINITELY CONSIDER IT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR CONGREGANTS TO PARK THEIR CARS.
AND I JUST WONDER, I'M SORRY,
AND ESPECIALLY AS THEY MENTIONED ON SUNDAY NIGHT WHEN THE BAR IS OPEN, PEOPLE PARKING EVERYWHERE, ESP INCLUDING OUR SPACE, INCLUDING THE SPACES BEHIND THE, I MEAN, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT HABIT IS SO IN, YEAH, WE DEFINITELY CAN WORK ON IT TO ASK OUR CONGREGANTS TO COME TO OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD.
BUT BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY HAVE CHANGED TO A, UM, PLAZA, ANYBODY ELSE CAN PARK THERE.
SO NOT ALWAYS IT'S OUR CARS THAT PARKING THERE.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS.
UH, I'LL HAVE A MOTION WHEN WE GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UH, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER, UH, HOW DO YOU WANNA GO HERE? LET'S GO WI VAL
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AND LO UH, EXCUSE ME FOR STAFF.UH, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE IF THEY WEREN'T ADVERTISING AS, YOU KNOW, THEY, I, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY HAVE AN AD OR THEY HAVE SOMETHING ON THE INTERNET AND SAYING THAT THEY'RE OPEN AND SELLING BECAUSE I MEAN, OUR CHURCH CHARGES FOR MEALS AND WE HAVE LOTS OF MEALS THERE A LOT OF TIMES.
SO WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT DEFINES THIS AS A, WHY DID IT COME UP? I DO BELIEVE THAT IT MAINLY CAME UP AND THIS, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME 'CAUSE THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE THAT NOTICED THIS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN IT ORIGINALLY BECAME AN ISSUE, THEY DID NOTICE LIKE THE ONLINE, UM, THAT THE SALES OF, UH, FOOD AND WHATNOT.
I WILL SAY, IF I LOOK AT THE DEFINITION FOR A CHURCH OR A PLACE OF WORSHIP, ANY PLACE OF WORSHIP INCLUDING CHURCH, SYNAGOGUE, TEMPLE, MOSQUE, AND OTHER BUILDING OF FACILITY, PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN RELIGIOUS WORSHIP, THE TERM CHURCH DOES NOT INCLUDE OTHER SUCH USES LIKE SCHOOLS OR RECREATIONAL FACILITY, DAYCARE OR CHILDCARE FACILITY.
SO IT KIND OF TRIES TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF USES THAT YOU'D BE PERMITTED FOR A CHURCH BECAUSE CHURCH DOES HAVE THE, UM, REALLY THE RIGHTS FROM THE RELIGIOUS ACT TO, UM, BE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
SO, UM, GOING BACK TO QUESTION ABOUT REMOVING THAT, UM, THE SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, IT WAS DESIGNATED BY OUR PRIOR DIRECTOR WHEN HE MET WITH THEM.
THAT IS EITHER, IF IT'S A PRIVATE VERSUS PUBLIC, IT IS STILL CONSIDERED A FU SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AND IT NEEDS THE ZONING.
SO, UH, O OTHER CHURCHES MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO THAT SAME ISSUE ALL OVER TOWN, CORRECT? THAT THEY WOULD BE, HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN ZONING, UH, TO SERVE FOOD IF THEY'RE GONNA BE SERVING YES.
AS LIKE A RESTAURANT OR A SERVING FOOD FOR SALE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND WE CHARGE PRICES, NOT ALWAYS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE MEALS THAT ARE CHARGED.
SO THAT MAY BE A VERY COMMON THING ALL ACROSS THE CITY.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS.
UH, WELL THE ITEM WE'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW IS THE CONDITIONAL USE OF A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT PLANE.
SO ANY FUTURE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OR TENANT MAY USE IT AS SUCH.
IF THAT IS NOT THE INTENT, THEN THE REQUEST FOR THE REASON IT WOULDN'T BE NEEDED.
IF, IF I COULD JUST ADD THAT I THINK WHEN, UH, A KITCHEN OR IF IT'S EXCLUSIVE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THAT CHURCH, THEN THEY'RE, THEY CAN CONTINUE.
BUT IF IT'S AS, AS SOON AS IT GETS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN I MEAN, NO, AGAIN, SALE OF SALE OF FOOD AND EVERYTHING REALLY SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING AT A CHURCH.
AND I GET IT THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO BY CASE.
I MAY HAVE SOME OTHERS, BUT I GO AHEAD.
WHAT'S IT? COMMISSIONER ELL? SO AT THE, UM, GURU ADA, THE, THE SIKH TEMPLE DOWN DOWN THE STREET, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO A, UH, REACHED ALONG, UM, GLEN GREEN DRIVE.
RIGHT? LIKE ANY TRAFFIC TO GET TO THAT SIKH GURU ADA HAS TO PASS GLEN, GLEN GREEN DRIVE.
THERE'S NOT LIKE A, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THAT SIKH TEMPLE.
RIGHT? IF THAT'S THE ONLY AXIS.
WE'LL, WE'LL CALL YOU UP, BUT JUST GIVE US A SECOND.
YEAH, MAYBE COULD WE PULL UP A MAP JUST TO, SO WE CAN MAYBE SEE THE ACCESS DRIVE.
SO THE, THE GURU DUATO IS AT THE END OF GLEN GREEN GLEN DRIVE.
I THINK IF YOU PULL TO THE DOWN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, A LITTLE FURTHER.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD ACCESS IT ON RED ROBIN DRIVE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN ONTO GREEN GLEN DRIVE INTO THE RESIDENTIAL TO GET TO THE GURU, UM, THE, UH, CATHOLIC CHURCH, UH, IS IT THE, CAN WE, CAN WE JUST SEE IF IT'S THE SAME SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH? OUR LADY OF ATONEMENT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S, I THINK THE, YOU DRIVE ON RED ROBIN ROAD THE SAME WAY THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THAT'S RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR IF THERE'S, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING AGAIN? WELL, JUST IF THE WAY TO GET TO THE, THE
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CHURCH IS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS, BUT I, I JUST WASN'T SURE.
AS I STATED, CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED ON ANY ZONING DISTRICT, INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THE, AND THAT APPLIES ALSO FOR SYNAGOGUES.
ANYTHING THAT OFFERS, ANYTHING THAT OFFERS RELIGION, RELIGIOUS SERVICES.
UM, SO, UH, ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CAUSE FOR THE REZONING, IF YOU COULD HELP ME FIGURE OUT, I UNDERSTAND THE CD FOR THE FOOD STA FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF HOW THAT CAME ABOUT.
UM, WHY WAS THE, UM, REQUESTED, WHAT WAS IT, R 20 FROM R SIX? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S REASON FOR THAT? SO THE ORIGINAL, THE LAND USE FOR THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THE SECTOR PLAN OF RURAL ESTATE TIER.
AND R SIX DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALL ZONED R SIX, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ANNEXED, I WANNA SAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS GIVEN A TEMPORARY R ONE ZONING.
AND SO IN 2001, WHEN WE CONVERTED, IT ALL CHANGED TO R SIX.
UM, BUT AGAIN, R SIX IS NOT REALLY ALIGNED WITH THE RURAL TIER LAND USE.
AND THAT IS WHY, UM, AND LUCKILY THIS PROPERTY IS OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET, SO THE R 20 WAS ABLE TO, UM, HE WAS ABLE TO PROPOSE THAT BASE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT ALLOWS THE SAME USES AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE, THE, UH, IT WAS JUST UPDATING THE ZONING THAT WASN'T, THAT, THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THE USES HERE, IT WOULD AVOID THE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS.
SO REALLY, I MEAN, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT HERE IS REALLY THE, THE CD, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, THE, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, MAYBE I COULD ASK, UM, VERY QUICKLY, UH, EITHER, UH, HOW ABOUT THE REVIT SCENE, UH, TO COME UP A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO, FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION? UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T BEEN NO.
TO, TO YOUR GUYS' CONGREGATION? NO, NO.
I'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE, UH, BUT ONLY RARELY FOR EVENTS.
UM, I WANTED TO GET, ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY THE AMOUNT OF, UH, SCALE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING THERE.
UM, SO LIKE ON AN, A NORMAL DAY, LET'S SAY, LET, RIGHT NOW, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, AFTER LUNCH, LET'S SAY TODAY AT LUNCHTIME, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD, WOULD THE, UM, ESTABLISHMENT HAVE RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I WOULD BE FLOORED IF THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE SITTING IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
SO, TWO OF WHICH ARE THE EMPLOYEES.
SO IN TERMS OF CUSTOMERS, ON AN AVERAGE DAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE YOU GUYS SERVING? UM, I CAN TELL YOU WE SERVE ABOUT MAYBE 10 A DAY.
AND THEN, UH, THE RABBI HAD MENTIONED FOR THE RELIGIOUS FUNCTIONS YES.
WHICH ARE ALREADY PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE ZONE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE, I MEAN, SO THE RABBI MENTIONED THERE'S MORNING PRAYERS.
UM, ARE THERE NO, NO EVENING PRAYERS? NO.
I KNOW THAT WE PRAY THREE TIMES A DAY, BUT SO FAR IT'S ONLY THE MORNING PRAYERS THAT WE CAN, WE'RE ABLE TO ESTABLISH AS OF NOW, ASIDE FROM SHABBAT, RIGHT? LIKE, SO, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT SATURDAY.
SO SHABBAT, OKAY, SO SHABBAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
SO WHOEVER PARKS THERE, IT'S MAYBE FIVE OR SIX CARS.
AND SOME DO COME AND GO 'CAUSE SOME DO DRIVE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, BUT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.
YEAH, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT WHATEVER.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOR THEM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY OVERNIGHT PARKING THERE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT MAYBE FOUR CARS.
EVERYONE ELSE WILL DRIVE IN AND DRIVE OUT.
THERE'S NO DRIVING ON SHABBAT.
AND THEN, UH, SOUND CONCERNS AM AMPLIFICATION.
SO THAT MEANS NO MUSIC, NO LOUD, NO, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THAT STUFF.
SO WHERE'S THE SOUND COMING FROM? SO WE HAVE SPEAKERS, WE HAVE A SPEAKER, OR WE'LL HAVE MUSIC THAT PLAYS IN THAT BACKYARD.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S LIKE, I MEAN, I CAN COUNT ON MY HAND HOW MANY HOLIDAYS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE WILL PLAY MUSIC.
UM, AND I ALWAYS CALL ANGELA AND PAUL TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE LOUD MUSIC THAT DAY, USUALLY AROUND MARCH.
THAT'S THE ONE HOLIDAY THAT'S REALLY LOUD.
BUT I DO FOREWARN THEM AND WE TRY TO FINISH UP BY 11.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS LAG OMAR, TODAY AND LAST NIGHT.
BUT AGAIN, WE TRY TO FINISH UP BY 10 30, 11.
AND AGAIN, WE TRY TO KEEP IT OFF OF PAUL'S BACKYARD.
WE BRING IT TOWARDS OUR SIDE, ANOTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE SO THAT IT'S NOT SO LOUD, BUT IT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO OR THREE HOLIDAYS, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THE LOUD MUSIC IS PLAYING
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MUSIC IN THE RESTAURANT IN LIKE INSIDE THE DINING HALL.THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING OUTSIDE ON A DAILY BASIS.
DO YOU GUYS EVER DO LIVE MUSIC IN THE RESTAURANT? NO.
AND THEN LASTLY, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PHOTOS OF WHAT THE RESTAURANT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT, SO LIKE HOW MANY TABLES? WHAT'S THE SCALE OF THE UH, MAYBE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET MY HUSBAND.
IT'S, IF I HAVE A FAMILY OF LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO CELEBRATE A BIRTHDAY BY US AND SOMEBODY CALLS ME HAVA, HEY, I HAVE, I'M CELEBRATING MY BIRTHDAY.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER WE HAVE 14 KIDS.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE MOST OF US, MOST OF OUR RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HAVE EIGHT KIDS.
SO IF THEY WANNA BRING 20 OR 30 OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS, I SH I HAVE TO SAY THAT'S IT.
I'M CAPPED OUT AND I CAN'T SERVE ANYMORE.
I MEAN I, I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE.
UH, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT? IF SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, CALLS UP AND SAYS, HEY, I'M NOT JEWISH, I'D LIKE TO EAT AT YOUR RESTROOM.
I, LATELY I'VE HAD AN ANSWERING SERVICE.
SERVICE 'CAUSE IT'S BECOME LIKE HARD TO, JUST, ASIDE FROM ALL THE ANTI-SEMITIC PHONE CALLS THAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH, IT'S BEEN HARD TO ANSWER THE PHONE LATELY.
BUT THE, THE CONDITION IS WHERE ARE YOU VISITING FROM? ARE YOU OF JEWISH FAITH? AND I'M SORRY FOR THAT NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T FEEL UNWELCOME, BUT IT'S A FINE LINE TO WALK.
I DON'T WANNA BE DISCRIMINATORY TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANNA GET IN TROUBLE WITH THE CITY.
SO I HAVE TO ASK, WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM? WHAT'S YOUR VISIT? HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN KOSHER? I MEAN, THEY GET GRILLED.
IT'S NOT AN EASY PHONE CALL TO TAKE.
AND IT'S NOT NICE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'VE HAD TO DO THAT BEFORE.
AND IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AT THE GATE SAYS, LET ME IN, I WANT SOME FOOD.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ON 1604.
WE'VE HAD CONSTRUCTION WORKERS LIKE, AND WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE SORRY, POLICE.
I'VE HAD SHERIFF KNOCK IN AND SAY, HEY, IS THIS A RESTAURANT? I'M LIKE, SORRY SIR.
I CAN GIVE YOU A BOTTLE OF WATER AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BUT I CAN'T SERVE YOU FOOD.
UH, CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE THING ABOUT THAT AIRBNB? WE DON'T OWN THAT AIRBNB AND ACTUALLY ON FRIDAY, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S ALL IT IS.
COMMISSIONER HINO HOSA, COMMISSIONER HUEY.
UM, THIS CASE IS REALLY CONFUSING, BUT, UH, WHAT CITY, UH, STAFF, WHAT IS, UM, REMIND ME, I THINK COMMISSIONER WETZEL WAS TRYING TO GET AT THIS, BUT IS THERE A RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION FOR CHURCHES? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? FOR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY? UH, YES.
BUT AT, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA DO A COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT OR THAT IS THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU OKAY.
AND WHAT TYPE OF CONDITIONS COULD WE PUT, I MEAN, IS IT ALL THE TRADITIONAL CONDITIONS? CORRECT.
AND THEN A, A QUESTION FOR, UH, HARRISON, DO YOU MIND COMING UP, HAVE YOU MET HARRISON WITH, WITH, UH, THE GROUP AND HAVE Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT MAYBE SOME CONDITIONS? UH, YES.
UH, THE LAWYERS FROM THE COFFIN GROUP MET WITH US ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO, I GUESS IT WAS.
AND, UM, AND THEY PRESENTED SOME, SOME, UM, WAYS THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE.
UH, BASICALLY IT WAS ALL THE CD THINGS.
IT WAS NOTHING IN ADDITION TO THAT REALLY, UH, IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR CONCURRENCE WITH, UH, ESTABLISHING THE, UH, THE FOOD SERVICE.
AND, UH, WE NEVER BROUGHT THAT TO FRUITION BECAUSE WE COULD JUST SEE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT INTERESTED IN DOING IT.
AND WE DIDN'T WANNA CONTINUE TO LEAVE THEM ON TO THINK THAT WE WERE NEGOTIATING AND GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE WERE GONNA SAY YES.
AND THAT WASN'T WHERE WE WERE GOING.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE, BUT NOT TO US.
'CAUSE THE RELIGIOUS PART IS NOT EVEN ON OUR RADAR.
AND MAYBE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SQUEAK A COUPLE OF MORE.
HARRISON, THAT, THAT WE'RE GOOD.
UH, AND A QUESTION FOR A RABBI.
UH, LET ME JUST SEE IF I CAN GET THIS STRAIGHT.
SO THIS RESTAURANT IS CURRENTLY IN OPERATION? YES.
UH, THE LAST THREE YEARS AND I LOOKED, I LOOKED ON, ON LAST THREE YEARS.
AND I LOOKED ON GOOGLE AND I GOT A LITTLE EXCITED.
'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, HEY, SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T GO THERE, EH? CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN A QUESTION FOR CITY AS FAR AS OCCUPANCY, NOT FOR THE CHURCH
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ITSELF, BUT FOR THE RESTAURANT, IS THERE A LIMIT OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY COULD HAVE WITH THEIR BASE CURRENT? WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPACE AND DETERMINE BASED ON THE REQUEST.SO A SEALABLE APPLICATION WOULD BE NEEDED.
AN INSPECTOR WOULD VISIT THE PROPERTY AND DETERMINE WHAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE OCCUPANT LOAD.
AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF ZONING GOT APPROVED? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, UM, CODE, ARE THERE ANY OPEN CODE VIOLATIONS CURRENTLY AT THIS PROPERTY? 'CAUSE I KNOW, UH, WHILE SHE'S COMING UP HERE OR LOOKING FOR THAT, I THINK SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED LIKE, ON OUR, OUR LIST HERE, UM, OH, DESIREE, I NEED YOU TO RESTART MY COMPUTER.
UH, BUT ON THE LIST THAT WE HAVE ON THE, UH, UH, PROGRAM NOTES HERE, THERE'S A LIST OF CODE ISSUES.
ARE THOSE ALL VIOLATIONS OR JUST WHAT'S BEEN POPPED OPEN AND GOT SOME GOT I GUESS, UH, UH, EXPIRED? YES.
HELLO? UM, MY NAME IS MICHELLE VELASQUEZ, SENIOR CODE OFFICER WITH, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PENDING COURT.
I'M SORRY, MY WIFE ALWAYS GETS MAD AT ME, BUT WHEN I TELL HER THIS, BUT I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY TWO PENDING CODE VIOLATIONS.
THERE'S TWO PENDING, PENDING SWITCH ON MICROPHONES PENDING.
UM, THERE ARE TWO PENDING CODE VIOLATIONS.
AND WHAT ARE THOSE? THEY ARE FOR OPERATING WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND OPERATING A RESTAURANT ON A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
UM, THE CASES HAVE BEEN OPENED FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
WE'VE BEGUN ISSUING CITATIONS AND FINES IN 2023, UM, WITHOUT A RESOLUTION.
AND, UM, THEY, THEY'RE CURRENTLY PENDING, THEY'RE OUTSTANDING IN COURT AS WELL.
AND THEN FOR, FOR CITY STAFF, SINCE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, UH, DID THEY HAVE TO STOP, UH, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN ORDER TO GET, UH, TO SEE WHAT THE FINAL RESULTS WILL BE FOR ZONING? OR ARE THEY ALLOWED TO CONTINUE? I DON'T KNOW WHO'D HAD THAT.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE OPERATING WITHOUT AN ACTIVE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
UH, THEY SHOULDN'T BE OPERATING WITHOUT, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHEN WE ISSUE NOTICE OF VIOLATION, WE ADVISE THEM THAT THEY NEED TO SEIZE OPERATIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGALLY OPERATING.
UH, AND THEN ONE QUESTION FOR PAUL.
YOU GONNA COME UP HERE? PAUL, AND WHY ARE YOU COMING UP, PAUL? JUST A SECOND.
UH, THEY HAD MENTIONED, UM, THE ORGANIZATION.
I MENTIONED THERE'S, UH, I GUESS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WAS IT FOUR OR FIVE EVENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE USED AS SPEAKERS? IS, IS THAT PRETTY MUCH ACCURATE? YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A YEAR THAT YOU'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH, UH, NOISES, UH, COMING INTO YOUR HOME THE LAST YEAR? YES.
UH, IN THE, IN, IN THE PREVIOUS YEARS.
IT, IT, IT TOOK ME, I I WANNA SAY OVER TWO DOZEN LOUD, UH, POLICE REPORTS.
THEY, THEY WOULD HAPPEN SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK.
AND YOU SAID LAST YEAR WAS JUST ABOUT THE FOUR OR FIVE? YES.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT HAPPENED EVERY WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT, BUT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING PAUL.
UH, I DO WANT TO THANK THE, UH, SPEAKERS WHO COMING UP AND HELPING US UNDERSTAND THIS CASE.
UH, I, SEVERAL QUESTIONS AGAIN.
UH, THE LAST TIME I HAD ANY GOOD KOSHER FOOD WAS IN NEW JERSEY, SO, UM, AND YES, SAN ANTONIO IS LACKING IN THAT AREA.
UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME.
IT'S, UM, AND THIS IS FOR OUR SEA ATTORNEY.
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME DEFINE, DEFINE FOR ME WHAT A RESTAURANT IS? GIMME ONE SECOND WHILE I LOOK IN THE UDC TO SEE IF WE HAVE A PROPER DEFINITION.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE DEFINITION OF A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE RESTAURANT, BUT WE HAVE FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? YEAH, SURE.
UM, SHALL INCLUDE EVERY RESTAURANT, CAFE, CAFETERIA, COFFEE SHOP, SANDWICH SHOP, SNACK BARS, SUPPER CLUBS, SODA FOUNTAIN, DO, DO, DO, OR OTHER SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH OFFER FOOD OR BEVERAGES FOR PURCHASE AND CONSUMPTION, ON OR OFF THE PREMISES.
NOW, IS THE CURRENT PROPERTY, UH, CATEGORIZED AS A TEMPLE OR A CHURCH? YES.
AND DO YOU KNOW IF THE, UH, ESTABLISHMENT IS REGULATED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD NEED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO REGISTER WITH, UH, METRO HEALTH TO BE ABLE TO BE INSPECTED? AND DID I HEAR THAT THEY DID OR DID NOT HAVE A CFO? THERE IS NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
C OF O FOR THE RESTAURANT OR FOR THE FOOD SALES.
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ALRIGHT.ALRIGHT, SECOND, GO AROUND ON QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT.
SO THE POINT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT POSSIBLE NON-CONFORMITY WITH OTHER RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, UM, JUST TO, TO WORK THROUGH IT.
IF A CHURCH HAD A COFFEE BAR ON SUNDAYS FOR THEIR CONGREGATION, WOULD THAT BE ALSO IN VIOLATION OF THE, IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION WITH THE DEFINITION? YES.
UM, GURUS, I KNOW THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, GURU IS A CENTRAL PART OF THEIR RELIGIOUS FUNCTION IS A COMMUNAL MEAL, UM, WHERE EVERYONE IS INVITED FROM THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND EAT.
WHOEVER'S HUNGRY CAN COME AND EAT.
WOULD THAT BE IN VIOLATION OF THE, UH, THE CODE? I, WE WOULD'VE TO INVESTIGATE THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY? YEAH.
WE, WE DO EACH OF THESE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL WHEN IT COMES TO RELIGIOUS PRACTICES AND CHURCHES AS FAR AS THE CITY IS CONCERNED.
SO I, I MEAN, THEN JUST TO, TO WORK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE HERE WE'RE DEALING WITH.
IS THE ISSUE WITH THE COFFEE BAR, HYPOTHETICAL COFFEE BAR AT A CHURCH, IS THE ISSUE THAT SOMEBODY'S PAYING FOR IT? OR IS IT THE ISSUE JUST THAT THERE'S SERVING FOOD? THERE'S A FEW ITEMS THERE.
IT COULD BE THE PURCHASING, IT COULD BE THE CONFLICTING USES, THE NATURE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT MIGHT WORK AS NOT A CHURCH ANYMORE, BUT ACTUALLY A BUSINESS IF IT'S A SEPARATE USE, WE DO HAVE SOME CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SEPARATE USES AS WELL.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE, THOUGH, TO SERVE FOOD AND FOR IT TO NOT TO BE A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT? WELL, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE ALSO IN OUR USE MATRIX, UNDER THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USE MATRIX, CHARITABLE SLASH FOOD AND OR CLOTHING BANK AND ALSO CHARITABLE FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT, NO CHARGE FOR MEALS.
AND THOSE ARE NOT PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
THOSE ARE SEPARATED AND ONLY PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND TO ANSWER FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PERSPECTIVE, YES, THERE COULD BE INSTANCES WHERE FOOD BEING OFFERED IN A RELIGIOUS SETTING, WHATEVER TYPE OF SETTING THAT IS, WOULD NOT VIOLATE THE UDC.
AND WOULD IS MONEY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS MONEY THE BIG ISSUE? LIKE IF SOMEBODY, IF IF MEMBERS OF THE CONGREGATION ARE PAYING FOR THE, THE TICKET FOR THE MEAL, IS THAT THE BIG ISSUE OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE CONTROLLING FACTORS? THERE AGAIN, IT, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, BUT CERTAINLY THE IDEA OF THE MONEY AND THE TRANSACTIONAL NATURE OF IT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF THE FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT IN THE UDC THAT'S MENTIONED, SO THAT'S TAKEN INTO THE ANALYSIS, BUT THAT IS THAT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY FACTOR.
AND THEN, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY BACKGROUND, LAST QUESTION, BUT FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, DO WE HAVE ANY BACKGROUND IN, IN THE, THE, THE CASE HISTORY HERE? HOW DID IT, YOU KNOW, HOW DID IT COME TO BE THAT, THAT THIS WAS IDENTIFIED IN VIOLATION? WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? IT WAS NOT A PROACTIVE INSPECTION.
IT WAS A REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO OUR OFFICE FOR A RESTAURANT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
A REPORT BY WHOM? A, A CITIZEN, A CITIZEN CALL IN.
THROUGH OUR THREE ONE ONE SYSTEM.
I'M GONNA CHIME IN WITH A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT ON THIS ONE.
SO WE DID RECEIVE A COMPLAINT THAT THERE WAS A RESTAURANT OPERATING IN THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT WAS SOME TIME AGO, A YEAR AGO, APPROXIMATELY.
OUR DIRECTOR AT THE TIME, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF STAFF FROM OUR DEPARTMENT VISITED THE SITE.
WE WERE GIVEN A TOUR OF THE FACILITY.
UM, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE OPERATION, THE COMMERCIAL KITCHEN THAT EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY, THE LARGE DINING ROOM SPACE WHERE CUSTOMERS CAN COME IN AND EAT THE PROVISION OF MENUS WITH PRICES AND THE FACT THAT THEY ADVERTISE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN STOP IN AND GET A MEAL AND PAY FOR IT IN OUR DIRECTOR IN HIS CAPACITY AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DETERMINED THAT THAT EXCEEDED MERELY A COMMUNAL COOKING SPACE FOR THE RELIGIOUS OPERATION, THAT IT DID RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
SORRY, THAT I'D BE AT A LOSS IF I DIDN'T USE THE, UH, LA SORRY, LAST QUESTION CAME TO MIND.
UH, CONCERN ABOUT SUBSEQUENT OWNER, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON SYNAGOGUE WAS REALLY SUCCESSFUL, THEY HAD TO MOVE TO A NEW PLACE, UM, WHAT RESTRICTIONS WOULD CARRY OVER TO A SUBSEQUENT OWNER FOR THEM NOT TO OPEN A COMMERCIAL RESTAURANT THAT WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? THE USE REQUEST IS FOR FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
SO THE ONLY CONDITIONS YOU COULD ADD WOULD BE THINGS LIKE HOURS OF OPERATION, SIGNAGE, ITEMS LIKE THAT, NOT THE TYPE OF FOOD OR RESTAURANT.
SO A SUBSEQUENT OWNER WOULD BE ABLE TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC? CORRECT.
IS THERE A WAY TO, THERE'D BE NO WAY TO RESTRICT THAT OR NO, IDZ IT OR SOMETHING? I
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NO, IT, IT STICKS.UM, SO IF IT WAS TO CHANGE OWNERSHIP, THAT ZONING WOULD REMAIN AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DOELL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS LEFT? COMMISSIONER WIT IT, I'M PROBABLY STILL CONFUSED TOO.
UH, YESTERDAY MY WIFE WAS AT CHURCH WITH 300 WOMEN AND THEY PAID $25 A HEAD WITH A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN AND ALL OF THAT.
AND ARE THEY, DO THEY HAVE A SEPARATE PERMIT FROM THEIR OPERATIONS AS A CHURCH THAT WOULD LIMIT THEM AND, AND I GUESS SAID PART OF THAT IF THEY WERE NOT ADVERTISING TO THE PUBLIC, BUT I'M HEARING THEY'RE NOT SELLING TO THE PUBLIC.
I, I CAN'T KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR AND GO EAT THERE.
SO I IT'S STILL CONFUSING THAT IT'S LIKE A PRIVATE DEAL THAT, BUT THEY NEED TO COLLECT MONEY FROM PEOPLE TO, UH, PAY FOR THE FOOD.
YEAH, I, I THINK THAT IT CERTAINLY COMES DOWN TO A BIT OF A CASE BY CASE DETERMINATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHARED, YOU KNOW, DOES THE CHURCH MAINTAIN A WEBSITE WITH MENU PRICES AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? YOU KNOW, DO, DO THEY HAVE 48 GOOGLE REVIEWS WITH CUSTOMER REVIEWS THAT DINED AT THE FACILITY? THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WENT INTO OUR, THE DIRECTOR AT THE TIME, THE BUILDING OFFICIALS DETERMINATION, THAT THIS WAS MORE THAN JUST A SYNAGOGUE.
SO IF THEY TOOK A DONATION INSTEAD OF, UH, JUST A, IT'S FREE, BUT YOU CAN GIVE WHAT YOU CAN PAY FOR, WOULD THAT CHANGE? THE, UH, I I, I AM HESITANT TO TRY TO INTERPRET WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL'S DECISION WOULD'VE BEEN AT THE TIME THE DECISION WAS MADE.
INCOMPLETE HYPOTHETICAL
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LEFT? ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YES.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, SOME MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED, UH, BUT FOR STAFF HERE I GO.
ARE THEY ZONED, UH, TO HAVE A CHURCH ON THE PROPERTY? CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO IS THERE A LIMIT OF PARISHIONERS THAT ARE ALLOWED SINCE THEY'RE OPERATING OUT OF A HOUSE? NOT NECESSARILY PARISHIONERS, BUT DIFFERENTLY OCCUPANCY LOADS DEPENDING ON THE SPACE.
NOW, UH, QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY FROM THE CONGREGATE CONGREGATION.
RABBI, SHOP, RABBI, COME ON UP.
HOW MANY, UH, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE SERVICES, HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND DAILY? EVERY MORNING WE HAVE ABOUT 10 PEOPLE THAT COMING TO PRAY.
AS I MENTIONED, SOMETIMES WE DO CLASSES IN THE EVENING, UH, FOR THE STUDENTS OR FOR, UH, UH, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
BIBLE STUDIES, WE'LL GET BETWEEN, UM, FIVE TO 15.
UH, LUNCH AND LEARN IS SAME NUMBER.
UH, SATURDAY, IT'S THE DAY THAT WE ARE SHINING.
MOST PEOPLE ARE COMING TO MEET GOD, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT LIKE THAT.
UH, I WOULD SAY ON A SATURDAY BETWEEN THE, THE BUSIEST, THE BUSIEST, THE MOST CARS THAT YOU HAVE, 35 TO 50 PEOPLE WHEN IT'S BUSY, 35 TO 50.
AND WE MAKING A SPECIAL EFFORT BECAUSE WE KNOW NEIGHBORS FEEL ABOUT THE PARKING.
WE ASKING THEM TO, TO COME IN PAES OR AS A FAMILY TO USE ONE CAR, YOU KNOW, HUSBAND AND WIFE TO DRIVE THE SAME CAR.
WE MAKING OUR EFFORT, WE'RE MAKING A REQUEST, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS TO LISTEN TO ME, BUT I'M TRYING.
I THINK NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU SIR.
QUESTION FOR FELLOW COMMISSIONER.
NO, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE SPOKEN.
UH, BUT WE DO NOT, UH, ENGAGE WITH OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
UH, I GUESS I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
UH, QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER HENO HASA, UH, FOR QUESTION FIRST, UH, CODE ONE MORE TIME.
WHEN WAS THEIR FIRST VIOLATION? THE CASE WAS ORIGINALLY STARTED IN 2022 WHEN
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WE RECEIVED, UM, IT WAS TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER CODE OFFICER, UM, IN 2023.AND THAT OFFICER IS THE ONE WHO MADE THE INTERNAL INSPECTION ACCOMPANIED BY THE, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND THEY DETERMINED THAT IT WAS A RESTAURANT.
IT HAD BEEN CONVERTED INTO A RESTAURANT DINING AREA.
AND THEN FOR STAFF, WHEN WAS THE ZONING APPLICATION SUBMITTED? THE ZONING APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED.
IT LOOKS TO BE, I BELIEVE, UM, SORRY, I JUST HAD IT IN FRONT OF ME.
AND THE QUESTION FOR RABBI, UH, WHY WAS THERE SUCH A, A COUPLE YEARS OF, OF OF TIME GOING BY? THANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION.
AND BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION IN ZONING BETWEEN ONE REPRESENTATIVE AND THE OTHER.
WHILE THE OTHER ONE SAID IT'S PERFECTLY UNDER RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENT AND THE OTHER INSISTS NO IT'S NOT, IT'S A FOOD SERVICES.
WHEN IT'S CAME DOWN TO WHERE I WAS DRIVEN DOWN HERE ABOUT MAYBE THREE OR FOUR TIMES, AND THEY HAVE NOT, WAS ABLE TO DEFINE WHETHER IT'S RIGHT OR LEFT AT THAT TIME.
I REACHED OUT TO THE COUNCILMAN AT THAT TIME, EVEN HE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO CHANGE THE COUNCILMAN AT THAT TIME, AND I SAW IT TO IMPOSE MYSELF ON YOU WITH THAT KIND OF REQUEST.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE NOT SURE IN THE ZONING WHAT IS GOING ON.
ONLY THEN MANY ELAS AT THAT TIME HE WAS DISTRICT EIGHT, UH, COUNCILMAN HE REACHED, UH, TO MIKE, WHO WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLACE.
THEY CAME WITH A, UM, GROUP OF PEOPLE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE SITUATION WASN'T UNDERSTANDABLE.
UH, AND LAST QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, I, I THINK MY OPINION FOR THIS CASE IS GONNA BE STRICTLY ON LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE, THE ZONING, I'M GONNA TAKE OUT ALL RELIGION, UH, BY SAYING THAT IS THAT IT SOUNDS WEIRD SAYING THAT TO A CITY STAFF, BUT, UH, BY THINKING THAT WAY, TRYING TO GATHER MY THOUGHTS HERE, UM, I'M NOT MISSING ANYTHING.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK WE'VE ASKED, A COUPLE OF US HAVE ASKED ALREADY, IS THERE SOME SORT OF RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I I'M NOT GONNA MISS ANYTHING IF I'M JUST GONNA DO LAND USE ZONING FOR FUTURE LAND USE, UH, HOW IT GOES WITH THE LAND, I SHOULD BE FINE THERE, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
HOPEFULLY I WILL NOT MUDDY THE WATERS MUCH.
UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOOD SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO ONE OF THE EXAMPLES OF A FOOD SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT IS A SUPPER CLUB, CORRECT? SUPPER CLUB.
YES, THAT WAS IN THE DEFINITION.
UH, OKAY, SO A SUPPER CLUB DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, CORRECT.
CLUB AU IS A PRIVATE CLUB, CENTER CLUB IS A PRIVATE CLUB.
MAYBE THE EXAMPLES ARE, SEE THIS IS WHAT I WAS AFRAID OF.
UM, SO I, I GO FANCY APPARENTLY.
UM, SO IN ANY EVENT, BUT, BUT AGAIN TO COMMISSIONER HENO OSA'S POINT, TAKING OUT THE RELIGIOUS ASPECT, THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF PLACES THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSERVE FOOD THAT MAY OR MAY NOT REQUIRE COMMERCIAL USES LIKE COMMERCIAL TRANSACTIONS.
AS WE'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, IT WOULD BE IN A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DETERMINED THAT IT WOULD BE NEEDED.
NOW MY SECOND THING, HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GO BETTER THAN THE FIRST, UM, IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VIOLATIONS AND THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR VIOLATIONS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER, CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, YEAH.
BUT WE SHOULD NOT ACT IN A PUNITIVE MANNER THAT IS NOT WITHIN OUR AMBIT, THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
A PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE DELIVERED BY A MUNICIPAL COURT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AT THIS TIME, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
WE WILL NOT HEAR ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.
PLEASE KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS AND WORDS TO YOURSELF.
UM, AND COMMISSIONER KELLY TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS PROVED TO BE A VERY CHALLENGING CASE.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UH, A WAY THROUGH.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID TO, UH, FOLKS THAT I'VE WORKED WITH THAT I'M A COMPROMISED KIND OF GUY
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AND IF I CAN FIND CONSENSUS, I PREFER THAT.IF I CAN FIND A COMPROMISE, THEN I'LL ACCEPT THAT IF I CAN'T GET THE CONSENSUS.
SO, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME REAL DIFFERENCE OF OPINION HERE.
I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, TRAFFIC AND SO FORTH.
I'M ALSO VERY SENSITIVE TO THE, THE, THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY AND THEIR NEED FOR, UH, HAVING ACCESS TO KOSHER FOOD, WHICH I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS SO, UH, HARD TO FIND IN SAN ANTONIO.
I GUESS I'M KIND OF SHOCKED TO FIND THAT'S THE CASE.
SO I REALIZED THAT, UH, THERE'S A PRESSING NEED TO PROVIDE THAT I WISH WE COULD KIND OF AIRLIFT THAT SITE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAYBE FIND A LITTLE MORE ROOM FOR IT AND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL AND, AND NOT HAVE THE ISSUES, UH, TRYING TO FIT INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M GOING TO SUGGEST, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT, SHALL I, CAN I MAKE, CAN I MOVE? YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION.
AND THIS MAY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T SOLVE, UH, EASILY, BUT I THINK ALL OF US ARE TORN ON THIS ONE, I BELIEVE AT LEAST I KNOW I AM.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST WE HAVE A CONTINUANCE FOR FOUR WEEKS AND, UH, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THE, UH, SYNAGOGUE FOLKS THERE.
RABBI WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S A CHANCE WE COULD ALL GET TOGETHER A TIME OR TWO IN THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD HERE AND NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE ABILITY FOR THE JEWISH COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO KOSHER FOOD.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 2ND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THERE IS A SECOND I HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER HINA HOSA.
ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT.
WHAT'S IT? UH, I, I AM GONNA BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE CLEAR, UH, TO THE APPLICANT AND TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES THEY HAVE TO WORK OUT.
UM, I, I THINK I'M, I THINK I MAY BE PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH WHAT MIGHT BE A, A CODE PROBLEM, A POLICY PROBLEM, UM, GENERALLY, UH, I I WONDER THE LEVEL OF NON-COMPLIANCE ACROSS RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS IN THE CITY.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE VERY, VERY HIGH.
THE NUMBER OF, UH, UM, ORGAN, YOU KNOW, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, UH, THAT MIGHT FALL UNDER THE GAMBIT OF THIS.
IT DOES TO ME SMACK OF, UH, UNFAIRNESS THAT ALL IT TAKES IS A RESIDENT TO COMPLAIN TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TARGET SOMEBODY.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WANNA LIVE IN WHERE, YOU KNOW, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE TARGETED
I, I, AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT ALSO I SHOULD SAY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE RESOLVED IN NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT, UH, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MAYBE WITH PARKING, UH, TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC ISSUES, PARKING ISSUES, FIGURING OUT WHAT CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WE COULD PLACE FROM OUR HANDY CHEAT SHEET, UM, ON THE PROJECT MIGHT HELP WITH THE ISSUE OF, UH, SUBSEQUENT OWNERS.
UM, SO I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR ALL THOUGHTS TOO ON THAT POINT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK TO US WITH.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
ELL, COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S UP? OKAY, UM, HOLD DOWN AND READ AT THE SAME TIME.
I'M LOOKING AT, UH, DIVISION FIVE PLACES OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION.
UH, SECTION 2 5 94 SAYS EXEMPTIONS THE DIVISION SHALL NOT HOWEVER, APPLY TO ANY HOTEL, MOTEL, RESTAURANT, PRIVATE CLUB, AND I'M JUST KIND OF GRABBING THINGS HERE.
UM, FACILITIES SERVICES RESTRICTED TO THE MEMBERS OF SUCH CLUB AND THEIR GUESTS TO ANY BONAFIDE SOCIAL, FRATERNAL, EDUCATIONAL, CIVIC, POLITICAL OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION.
WHEN THE PROFITS OF SUCH ACCOMMODATIONS ADVANTAGES, FACILITIES, SERVICES ABOVE REASONABLE AND NECESSARY EXPENSES ARE SOLELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MISSION OF SUCH ORGANIZATION.
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SEE THE, THE SITE, THE CODE, UH, THAT'S SECTION 2 5 9 4 EXEMPTIONS AND IT'S, UH, UNDER DIVISION FIVE PLACES OF, OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION, UH, IS WHERE I'M FINDING THAT.SO I'M STILL BACK TO IF THIS IS A CHURCH, WHY IS THERE EVEN AN ISSUE HERE? WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO CALL IT A RESTAURANT WHEN CHURCHES ALL ACROSS TOWN DO THIS, UH, TYPE OF THING AND WHY IT WAS SINGLED OUT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE RESIDENTIAL, NONE OF US LIKE ANYTHING GROWING AND EXPANDING ON US.
BUT SINCE THERE ARE TECHNICALLY NO RESTRICTIONS ON A CHURCH AND WHERE THEY CAN GO, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE I EVEN SEE THAT THIS SHOULD BE AN ISSUE.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE HAVING TO APPLY FOR A FOOD SERVICE.
IT SHOULD JUST BE PART OF THEIR, UH, OPERATION AS A CHURCH OR A SYNAGOGUE OR WHATEVER THEY MIGHT BE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITSETT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LEFT? COMMISSIONER LO? UM, I'LL BE BRIEF.
I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.
I JUST, UH, WANNA NOTE THAT THE QUESTION OF IF THIS IS A RESTAURANT OR NOT IS NOT REALLY, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S A DISCUSSION YOU ALL ARE HAVING AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
WHAT WE'RE TASKED WITH IS TO DECIDE ON THIS BOARD IF, OR RECOMMEND IF THE ZONING MATCHES THE AREA.
THE AREA IS DEFINITELY RESIDENTIAL.
I KNOW THIS IS A CHURCH AND THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS, BUT I, I HOPE IN THE CONTINUANCE PERIOD AS WE TALK THROUGH IT, THAT QUESTION IS CENTER.
I THINK THERE'S NO QUESTION FROM WHAT WE HEARD TODAY, THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS KIND OF WHAT COMMISSIONER OR DISTRICT, A COMMISSIONER SAID, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD TAKE THIS AND LIFT IT AND PUT IT ELSEWHERE.
'CAUSE I THINK THE NEED IS CLEAR ABOUT THE, UM, LACK OF OPTIONS FOR KO MEALS, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR QUESTION.
OUR QUESTION IS TO MAKE SURE THE ZONING IS APPROPRIATE AND MATCHES THE AREA.
AND THE AREA IS VERY RESIDENTIAL AS WE KNOW.
SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE.
I GUESS AS YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR CONVERSATIONS, AS WE HEAR THIS AGAIN IN A MONTH.
I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION ON MY MIND MORE SO THAN THE QUESTION OF IF IT'S A RESTAURANT OR NOT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LOS OF DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT.
SO OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS, UM, THIS MOTION, BUT THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE UH, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR THE REZONING, THEY, Y'ALL NEED TO COME GET TOGETHER.
I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I HEAR IS THE PARKING, RIGHT? UH, AMBULANCES CAN'T GET BY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S PARKING ON THE STREET.
UM, I THINK I WAS A COMMENT MADE, I THINK BY THE RABBI ABOUT THE, THE EXTRA LAND Y'ALL HAVE IN, IN A CERTAIN AREA THAT MAYBE AFTER ZONING YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT REDOING THE, THE PARKING.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO KIND OF ADDRESS NOW.
UH, AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW YOU SAID WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK OF CONDITIONS BECAUSE WE REALLY JUST DIDN'T WANT IT.
I MEAN WE ALL NEED TO BE, UH, SUCCESSFUL HERE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOSA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? RIGHT.
BRIEFLY, I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE REDUNDANT OF COMMISSIONER HENA HOSA 'CAUSE I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS.
UH, I AM, I ALSO AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LEAD ON, UH, TO SOME DEGREE THE APPLICANT.
UM, WELL NOW'S THE TIME TO TALK BECAUSE A DECISION'S GONNA BE MADE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR BOTH OF YOU IN A MONTH, MOST LIKELY.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AS COMMISSIONER HENA HOSA POINTED OUT WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING.
UH, WE CAN WORK ON THAT SITE PLAN, WE CAN TRY TO INCREASE THE PARKING THERE.
UM, AND YOU CAN DO THAT WITH COMMISSIONER KELLY.
WE WILL NOT ALL BE GETTING TOGETHER TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS LOSS.
BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER KELLY I THINK WILL MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS, WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT HE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT TODAY, UH, BUT DO THAT.
UM, ADDITIONALLY TO SOME DEGREE THE PARKING IS A GIANT ISSUE, BUT IT'S AN ISSUE THAT MAY NOT BE FOR ZONING AT THIS POINT.
YOU CAN GET PARKING RESTRICTIONS FOR THIS AREA.
YOU CAN GET PARKING PERMITS, UH, FOR NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO TALK TO THE DISTRICT EIGHT COUNCIL OFFICE ABOUT.
BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT I THINK THIS COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONER KELLY EXPECTS THERE TO BE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME THREAT OF COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT HERE.
IT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE, HOWEVER, IT'S ON THE EDGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IT'S ABUTTING COMMERCIAL AREAS.
SO THAT'S LESS OF A CONCERN THAN IT MIGHT BE IF THIS WERE IN FACT IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHICH IS WAY BURIED IN THERE ON RED ROBIN.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HARD CASE, BUT I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH PEOPLE TO COME TO A SOLUTION THAT WILL
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BE TO EVERYONE'S BENEFIT, WHETHER IT'S HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, TO TRY TO LIMIT SOME OF THE NOISE.UH, AND AGAIN, NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER BUT WE DON'T PUNISH OR ENFORCE, BUT THEY APPLY, I BELIEVE, EQUALLY HERE.
SO, UH, THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS WE GO FORWARD OVER THIS NEXT MONTH.
OKAY, THAT BEING SAID, I AM DONE TALKING FOR ONCE.
UH, THE MOTION IS FOR CONTINUANCE JUNE 2ND BY COMMISSIONER KELLY WITH A SECOND BY, UM, OH MY GOSH.
MOTION CARRIES AND WE WILL SEE THE MICS AGAIN IN A MONTH.
IF Y'ALL WERE HERE FOR THAT ITEM, YOU CAN NOW GO ABOUT YOUR DAY.
GOOD LUCK AND UH, BE IN TOUCH WITH COMMISSIONER KELLY.
THIS IS CLOSE TO THE TIME THAT WE NORMALLY TAKE A BREAK.
COMMISSIONERS, AS PEOPLE FILTER OUT, UH, I AM GOING TO SUGGEST, UNLESS SOMEONE FEELS STRONGLY OTHERWISE WE JUST GO TO THE NEXT CASE, THEN WE TAKE A BREAK.
REQUEST FOR A FIVE MINUTE BREAK PLEASE.
OH, LET'S DO A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE ONE TIME WHERE I'M ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE PERSON WHO CAN VETO ME.
UH, WE ARE IN RECESS FOR APPROXIMATELY SEVEN MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THE TIME IS 2 56 AND WE HAVE RETURNED FROM OUR RECESS.
WE ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY BEGIN NOW WITH ITEM NUMBER NINE.
AS I UNDERSTAND, UM, THERE WILL BE, UM, POTENTIAL MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS.
ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? IS IT IN ORDER FOR ME TO MAKE THAT MOTION BEFORE THE HEARING? SO IF WE JUST READ THE ITEM, ITEM NUMBER NINE IS ZONING CASE NUMBER.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS ZONING CASE Z 20 25 1 0 7 0 0 2 4 9 S LOCATED AT 1 2 1 3 9 JONES MALTSBERGER ROAD.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM? UH, NO.
THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM TODAY.
IS ANYONE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE ON JONES MALTSBERGER? BUT YOU'RE THE APPLICANT SO YOU'RE GOOD.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET YOU OUT OF HERE A LITTLE FASTER TODAY.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO I THINK NOW WE CAN MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER DUBEL, I MOVE TO CONTINUE, UH, ITEM NUMBER NINE TO THE, UH, TWO WEEKS TO THE MAY 19TH MEETING.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT.
ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE.
MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER NINE TO MAY 19TH, UH, BY COMMISSIONER ELL.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE.
ALEXA RATANA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 3,200 BLOCK OF SOUTH FOSTER ROAD GOING FROM R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO C3 AND A CD GENERAL COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR MANUFACTURED HOME, OVERSIZED VEHICLE CELL SERVICE OR STORAGE WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME.
THERE WERE 32 NOTICES SENT OUT.
ZERO IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED WITHIN THE 200 FEET.
NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN THE 200 FEET AND OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET, THEY'RE TOO OPPOSED.
THE EXISTING R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS IN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED C3 AND A CD GENERAL COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR MANUFACTURED HOME OVERSIZED VEHICLE CELL SERVICE STORAGE IS NOT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING TO ACCOMMODATE THE ONGOING USE OF THE PROPERTY AS OVERSIZED VEHICLE STORAGE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SITUATED AT THE ENTRANCE OF AN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND ACROSS THE STREET OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE AREA SEEM TO BE CONCENTRATED ON THE OPPOSING SIDE OF EOS HIGHWAY 87, WHILE THE SIDE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CONTEXTUALIZED BY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS.
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THE INTRODUCTION OF AN INTENSE COMMERCIAL BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND INDUSTRIAL USE WOULD BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREA.ADDITIONALLY, INDUSTRIAL USES ARE TYPICALLY REMOVED FROM RESIDENTIAL SCALE DEVELOPMENTS AS THEY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE NUISANCE ITEMS. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
AND SIR, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, UH, MEETING ME TODAY.
I LIVE ON, UH, 1127 KENTUCKY AVENUE AND I REPRESENT MR. DEFRAIN AND MARIO VALLE.
IF YOU WOULD TELL US ABOUT THE REQUEST.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO, UH, ZONE A AN R SIX, UM, RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY INTO A C3 WITH CONDITIONAL USE, UM, ZONING.
UH, WHAT WE'RE INTEND TO DO IS, UM, HAVE, UM, REPLANT THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE TWO LOTS THAT ARE GONNA REMAIN ON R SIX, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE MOST EASTERN LOT TO BE THE C3 WITH CONDITIONAL USE.
CURRENTLY, THE, UH, WE HAD A, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA, WE HAVE A R FOUR WITHIN THE ADJACENT, UH, SUBDIVISION, UH, PREDOMINANTLY R FOUR LOTS WITH TWO, UH, C TWO COMMERCIAL, UH, TWO ZONING, UH, LOTS, UH, NORTH OF US.
UM, SO WHAT WE WANNA DO IS WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THIS PROPERTY, WE'VE, UM, WE, WE, WE, WE FIX, UH, UH, SEMI TRAILER SEMI TRUCKS.
UM, WE'VE GATED THE COMMUNITY WITH A, UH, SIX FOOT, UH, UH, FENCE.
SO WE WANT, SO AS YOU CAN SEE, SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY, NONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS SEE THAT.
WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SEMI TRUCKS.
UM, IN ADDITION, WE CLEANED UP THE AREA.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE, HOMELESS PEOPLE.
WE'VE, UH, FOUND DEBRIS, MATTRESSES, UH, SYRINGES.
AND, AND, AND WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF CLEARED THAT UP.
WE'VE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S IT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, WE DO.
JANE SCHAFER AND MS. SCHAFFER, IF YOU WOULD, UH, SAY YOUR STATE, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS JANE SCHAFER AND I LIVE AT 5 0 5 CASTANO AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 9.
MY FAMILY OWNS A FIVE AC FIVE ACRE TRACK ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER TRACKS IN THIS AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY FATHER AND CLIFF MORTON DEVELOPED THIS AREA.
THEY ESTABLISHED THE LAKESIDE SUBDIVISION.
MY FATHER WENT ON TO BUILD FOSTER MEADOW SUBDIVISION, AS WELL AS DONATE THE LAND IN OUR FAMILY.
HELPED MONEY RAISE THE SCHAEFFER LIBRARY.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS LAND IS.
YOU CAN USE THE POINTER THERE.
BUT THAT CORNER RIGHT, THAT HAS THE XS ON IT, THAT IS THE COMMERCIAL ZONING THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING AT THE ENTRANCE TO FOSTER MEADOWS, WHICH IS, LOOK AT ALL THE RESIDENTIAL.
THIS PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN NOVEMBER 22 WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT IT WAS R SIX.
WITHIN THREE MONTHS THEY HAD CLEARED THIS, THIS ONE ACRE LOT AND BY 2024 THEY HAD USED IT AS STORAGE FOR OVERSIZED TRUCK, WHICH IS WHAT THE ZONING IS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TODAY.
2024 UDC VIOLATION WAS FILED AND IT IS STILL PENDING.
NONETHELESS, THE OWNER CONTINUES, THE OWNER CONTINUES TO OPERATE HIS LARGE TRUCK TRUCK STORAGE AND HE IS ALSO NEXT PICTURE BUILT A CORRUGATED METAL FENCE AROUND IT THAT DOES NOT COVER THE LARGE TRUCKS.
THE CORRUGATED METAL FENCE IS ALSO ANOTHER UDC VIOLATION AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
THIS ZONING REQUEST SEEKS TO LEGITIMIZE THE OWNER'S VIOLATION AND IF GRANTED, IT WOULD UNDERMINE THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS, PLACING HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL TYPE USE ON A ONE
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ACRE RESIDENTIAL LOT.ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. SHAFFER.
MR. MORALES, YOU'LL HAVE A BRIEF REBUTTAL IF YOU WANT TO USE IT.
MY ADDRESS IS, UH, ONE 18 SME CITY.
UH, I TRY TO SPEAK IN SPANISH BECAUSE I WANNA EXPLAIN EXACTLY MY PURPOSE.
NORMALLY WE WOULD HAVE A TRANSLATOR AHEAD OF TIME IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK.
UH, HE WILL GET SIX MINUTES TOTAL BECAUSE OF THE TRANSLATION ISSUES.
MY PURPOSE IS TO DIVIDE TWO ACRES FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES AND WE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS.
UM, UH, WHEN WE GOT THERE, THE, WE HAD TO CLEAN IT.
WE DID EVERYTHING AS THAT WE CAN DO TO BE STRAIGHT.
IF IT'S DIFFICULT TO HEAR THIS PERSON SAYING WHAT HE SAID, UM, FOSTER, FOSTER, SOUTH FOSTER, I SEE AREA, I SEE NEIGHBORS WITH DIFFERENT PURPOSES AND DIFFERENT BUSINESS.
UM, THE PURPOSE IS TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR THE PERMITS THAT WE NEED AND IF IT'S DENIED, THEN WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR FIND ANOTHER LOCATION.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS THE DISTRICT TWO CASE.
COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
CAN I GET THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE UP FOR A QUESTION? UH, MR. MORALE MORALES OR MR. RESON? NO, WE MIGHT.
UM, SO EARLIER YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU SPOKE TO NEIGHBORS AND GOT SUPPORT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT? WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN SUPPORT.
WE SEE IF WE, THEY CAN SIGN SOMETHING.
THEY, THEY'RE RELUCTANT TO SIGN ANYTHING.
UM, WE ASKED 'EM TO COME AND THEY, THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK SO IT'S DIFFICULT.
UM, DO ROUGHLY HOW MANY PEOPLE DID YOU GET SUPPORT FROM? UH, THERE WAS LIKE THREE.
THERE'S NOT THAT MANY HOUSES THAT IN THE 200, UH, RADIAL, UM, SUPPORT, UM, UH, RADIAL AREA WHERE WE CAN CON YEAH.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER LO.
ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT.
COMMISSIONER DUBEL, UH, FOR, UH, MS. SCHAFER, I BELIEVE MS. SCHAFER, IF YOU'D COME UP, SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY THERE'S SOME MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, BUT GIVEN THAT, UH, YOU SEEM CONNECTED WITH THE, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY STILL, I THOUGHT YOU MAYBE, UH, WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD SHARE ABOUT WHAT THE, THE VISION IS FOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG NORTH FOSTER ROAD IN THE FUTURE.
PART OF THAT COMMERCIAL IS OFF OF HIGHWAY 86 AND THEN YOU TURN DOWN SOUTH FOSTER ROAD.
I OWN THE LAND FROM HIGH, WELL, ME AND MY SIBLINGS FROM HIGHWAY 86 TO HIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS A MIXED USE, WHICH WOULD BE THE SAME AS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL MIXED USE, BUT IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT INDUSTRIAL.
AND THEN, UM, THAT'S THE SAME WITH THE REST OFF OF, UH, OFF OF HIGHWAY 86 THERE IS COMMERCIAL LAND, BUT THAT DOES NOT, THAT DOES NOT COME DOWN IN
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EFFECT WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, THIS PROPERTY IS AT THE ENTRANCE TO, TO, UM, FOSTER MEADOW SUBDIVISION.AND I WAS TRYING TO SHOW YOU THAT PICTURE TO SHOW YOU ALL THE RESIDENCES IN IT.
AND IF YOU WERE HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, I SHOWED YOU PICTURES OF THE SCHOOL BUSES, THE FAMILIES, UM, IT'S ON THE CORNER WHERE THERE IS NO OTHER ENTRANCE INTO FOSTER MEADOWS EXCEPT WAY DOWN 86.
IT'S A ONE ACRE LOT AND YES, MY LAND IS C TWO, BUT IT'S A MIXED USE WITH RESIDENTIAL SERVICES.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BIG TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS CORNER LOT WHERE THE SCHOOL CHILDREN AND THE FAMILIES ARE COMING IN AND OUT.
THERE'S A SCHOOL UP THERE, THE LIBRARY'S UP THERE, UM, IT'S, IT, IT, AND THEY'VE BEEN IN VIOLATION FOR, FOR TWO YEARS.
UH, QUICKLY TO STAFF, COULD YOU JUST GIVE US A REFRESHER USES CHARACTERISTIC OF C TWO VERSUS THE USES CHARACTERISTIC OF C3, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED ZONING HERE.
SO C TWO BASICALLY IS LESS INTENSE.
USES BASICALLY MORE OF YOUR, UM, COMMERCIAL, I'M SORRY, RETAIL SERVICE PROGRAMS WHERE A C3 HAS HIGHER INTENSE USES.
MORE OF YOUR MORE POPULAR ONES ARE BARS, NIGHTCLUBS, AUTO DEALERS, UM, HIGHER INTENSE ITEMS THAT BRING IN NOISE, MAYBE MORE NOISE MORE, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY SMOKE SMOG OR, YOU KNOW, INTRUSIVE USES.
NOW THE, THE PROPOSED ZONING TO BE FAIR IS NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT.
SO THE BAR WE WOULDN'T REALLY HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT.
THAT IS CORRECT, BUT THE GENERAL POINT THOUGH THAT THE C3, EVEN WITH A SUBSEQUENT OWNER, COULD RESULT IN A HIGHER DENSITY USE NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS OPPOSED TO CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY, WHICH WOULD HAVE A LOWER INTENSITY USE.
YES, COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S UP? PROBABLY FOR A STAFF MOMENT.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THIS WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY? WE CAN LOOK THAT UP IN JUST A SECOND.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS ANNEXED IN 2000 DECEMBER 13TH, 2000.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN USED SINCE 2022 IS THE LOT PLATTED AND DID THE, IF IF IT'S NOT, IS IT REQUIRED TO BE PLATTED TO GET A PERMIT FOR A BUILDING OR SINCE THEY'VE GOT A BUILDING UP THERE AND SO ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION OR SITE DEVELOPMENT WOULD REQUIRE A RECENTLY RECORDED PLAT.
SO THIS DID GET A PERMIT TO BUILD OR, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO.
THE LAW IS CURRENTLY NOT PLATTED.
SO THAT'S A VIOLATION THERE IF THEY'VE GOT A BUILDING ON IT, IS THAT IT WOULD NOT HAVE GONE THROUGH PERMITTING IF THERE'S A STRUCTURE ON THERE NOW.
UH, THE METAL FENCING THAT'S SURROUNDING PART OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IS IT? OR IS IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SINCE MY COMPUTER IS DOWN HERE, I, I CAN'T READ WHAT Y'ALL DID, SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, DID Y'ALL MAKE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ZONING ON THIS? NO, WE JUST DID DENIAL.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? TO MY LEFT? SEEING NONE TO MY RIGHT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION.
YES, THANKS FOR COMING OUT AND SHARING TO ALL WHO DID, UM, IF YOU'VE WORKED WITH D TWO, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE, BECAUSE THIS IS IN DISTRICT TWO, YOU KNOW THAT THE TWO BIG THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT IS NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT AND REDUCING HIGH USE LIKE INDUSTRIAL USE ALMOST NEVER GETS APPROVED.
UM, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS, BUT WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTED SUPPORT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF OF THE SUPPORT AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT TO HAVE IN ON RECORD HERE.
AND I ALSO NEED TO SEE IT AS COMMISSIONER FOR THE DISTRICT.
UM, AND ABOVE ALL, ASIDE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, THIS IS A REALLY INTENSE USE RIGHT AGAINST NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I KNOW ACROSS THE STREET, REALLY ACROSS THE HIGHWAY THERE'S SOME OF THAT INTENSE USE, BUT THIS IS BUDDING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, BECAUSE OF THIS, THE INTENSE USE RIGHT AGAINST RESIDENTIAL AND LACK OF NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT, I MEAN A MOTION TO DENY THIS.
ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION TO DENY ITEM NUMBER TWO BY COMMISSIONER LO, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT.
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COMMISSIONER DUVAL.UH, JUST THAT THE, UM, STORAGE OF VEHICLES.
I COULD IMAGINE A SCENARIO WITH REALLY LONG-TERM STORAGE OF VEHICLES THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY BE COMPATIBLE, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, IDEALLY YOU IMAGINE LIKE WITH AN ENTRANCE LIKE THIS THAT YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY RETAIL WHERE YOU KNOW BUSINESSES THAT ARE SERVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT BEGGARS CAN'T ALWAYS BE CHOOSERS.
UM, THAT BEING SAID THOUGH I'M CONCERNED THAT THE C3, SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE C3 BY RIGHT AFTER THE REZONING, I THINK WOULD NOT BE AS AS ACCEPTABLE.
UM, SO WITH THAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE, UH, THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT? SEEING NONE TO MY RIGHT.
SEEING NONE, I'M GONNA HAVE, UH, THE CHINA GROVE SONG STUCK IN MY HEAD BY THE DOOBIE BROTHERS
BUT, UM, I TOO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DO FIND THAT THIS USE IS TOO INTENSE FOR A BUDDING RESIDENTIAL.
UH, MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO BY LO WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM MELE CALL VOTE PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER PIE RODRIGUEZ? YES.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY, SO THIS WILL GO WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, BUT YOU STILL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AT COUNSEL.
YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR CASE MANAGER ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
UH, NEXT ITEM PLEASE IS, OH, UH, THE TIME IS THREE 16 AND COMMISSIONER KELLY IS LEAVING THE MEETING.
THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT 37 30 WCHU ROAD.
GOING FROM R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT OF C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
WE'RE 46 NOTICES MELT ZERO IN FAVOR TO OPPOSE.
THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET.
STAFF HAS NOT FOUND INDICATION OF LIKELY ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE FOR THIS REQUEST.
THE CURRENT R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS MORE APPROPRIATE.
THE PROPOSED RESILIENCE TO C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FACILITATES A LOGICAL INFO DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER OF SANUS ROAD.
BY POSITIONING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AT THE PERIPHERY OF THE NEARBY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT SERVES AS A FUNCTIONAL TRANSITION BETWEEN HIGHER INTENSE USES.
FURTHERMORE, DESIGNATION WOULD FACILITATE NEIGHBORHOODS COULD FACILITATE NEIGHBORHOOD FACING AMENITIES WHILE SHIELDING RESIDENCE SIDE STREETS FROM THROUGH TRAFFIC AND COMMERCIAL ENCROACHMENT.
THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY'RE PULLING UP A PRESENTATION FOR ME.
THIS SITE, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE, THE, THE DETAILS OF THIS ARE FAR EAST, UH, ON IH 10, NEAR 1604.
IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT INTERSECTION, IT IS A MAJOR INTERSECTION WITH INTENTS AND INCREASING COMMERCIAL GROWTH.
THE SUBJECT SITE, WHICH IS SHOWN IN PURPLE AND YELLOW THERE IS SITUATED BEHIND A MAJOR GAS STATION SLASH MCDONALD'S.
AND, AND IF THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH HAMBURGER CELLS, THERE, HAVE A WHATABURGER RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
IT IS 750 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE INTERSECTION.
NOW, THIS GRAPHIC DOES NOT SHOW THE SUBDIVISION, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN PLATTED AND THE EARLY PHASES OF IT ARE BEING DEVELOPED.
THE O THE OWNER OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS ALSO THE OWNER OF, AND THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UH, HE IS NOT INTENDING TO BE THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PER, PER SE, BUT HE WANTS TO, UH, ENSURE THAT THERE IS, UM, AND HIS INTENT IS TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SERVICES.
GIVEN THE DISTANCE AND REMOTENESS OF THIS AREA.
THEY WANT SOME COMMERCIAL ACT, UH, SERVICES AND BUSINESSES THAT SERVE THE OVERALL AREA.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING, UM, YOU KNOW, ON ONE SIDE YOU HAVE MORE INTENSE C3 USES, AND THEN YOU HAVE INDUSTRIAL TO THE, TO THE EAST.
UH, WE THINK, UH, A C TWO ZONING IS REALLY A, A GREAT KIND OF TRANSITIONAL ZONING BETWEEN THOSE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO THOSE MORE INTENSE USES.
UM, AND SO THAT IS THE REQUEST TO DO C TWO.
NOW, UM, EARLY ON, I, I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE, THE OWNER WHO ORIGINALLY WAS
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STARTING THIS CASE REALLY FUMBLED THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON IT.AND THANKS TO THE CONTINUANCE WE HAD EARLY ON, WE WERE ABLE TO STEP BACK AND EN ENGAGE WITH CORRESPONDENCE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAD A PROJECT BRIEFING, ALTHOUGH ONLY A COUPLE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE ABLE TO ATTEND.
WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF ASPECTS OF THIS.
WE'VE HAD SOME FOLLOW UP COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, WE SHARED THE INTENT TO DO A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, UH, TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THIS SCALE IS THE, THE CONCEPT THAT MIGHT GO THERE JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
UH, WE ALSO SPEND A, A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH C TWO USES.
UH, AND THERE'S SOME C TWO USES THAT ARE IN THE LAND USE TABLE THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF 'EM, THEY'RE NOT GONNA FIT ON THIS SITE.
IT'S, IT'S TOO NARROW, IT'S TOO WEIRD.
OTHERS ARE JUST REALLY NOT REALISTIC, GIVEN KIND OF THE SITUATION BEHIND THE, THE OTHER COMMERCIAL TYPES OF BUSINESS.
SO THESE ARE THE ONES WE THINK ARE MORE LIKELY.
THESE ARE ALSO ONES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICING.
UH, THESE ARE PROBABLY SOME YOU SEE IN YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, AGAIN, NON-CHAIN RESTAURANTS, THINGS THAT RETAIL SERVICES AND, AND THE LIKE, THAT MIGHT ACTIVELY WORK HERE.
NOW WE HAVE A HYPOTHETICAL CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS.
I JUST WANNA STRESS IT'S HYPOTHETICAL, UH, IS NOT PROPOSED.
BUT WHAT THIS IS, IS INFORMED BY THE CODE AS TO THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, AS WELL AS A 50 FOOT GAS PIPELINE EASEMENT THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT.
SO WE'VE ADDED SETBACKS, EASEMENTS, LANDSCAPE OFFERS, AND THEN IF YOU CONTEMPLATE HOW THAT WOULD LIKELY WORK, THIS IS, WHAT IS THIS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE OCCUR, UH, BASED UPON, THIS IS ROUGHLY A 30,000, ALMOST 31,000 GROSS SQUARE FEET OF, OF SPACE WITH 103 PARKING SPACES.
HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE IT'LL EVEN BE THIS BIG BECAUSE OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING.
AND, UH, THAT IS REALLY THE BASIS OF OUR REQUEST TODAY.
AND I WILL JUST CONCLUDE MY REMARKS.
I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A LONG AFTERNOON.
IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. GWEN VANDERPOOL, ARE WE HERE? HANNAH
WELL, YOU CAN LEAVE AFTER THIS UNLESS YOU JUST WANNA HANG OUT WITH US.
MY ADDRESS IS 3 0 1 5 HURST STREET, CONVERSE, TEXAS 7 8 1 0 9.
SO HE'S PUT TOGETHER A PLAN AND THE PLANNING, UH, ZONING CHANGING IS FROM R FOUR TO C TWO.
THIS IS A VERY ODD SHAPED, UH, PROPERTY OF FIVE POINT OD ACRES.
AND, UH, IT WOULD DRASTICALLY, UH, IMPACT THE RESIDENTS OF PALOMA PARK SUBDIVISION.
HE HAD MENTIONED IT IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT.
I'M, UH, UH, LOT NUMBER SIX THERE.
THE VERY FIRST PERSON TO BUY IN THIS WHOLE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, THIS, UH, PROPERTY IS BIFURCATED BY A NATURAL GAS PIPELINE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE'S AN EASEMENT ON THE FRONT AND ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IT COMES EXACTLY RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR BACK FENCE IS UP THERE AND THERE IS NOT ANOTHER FENCE LINE FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S NO BERM.
SO YOU WOULD LOOK AT LIGHT POLLUTION AND SOUND POLLUTION FROM THERE.
SO YOU HAVE A 24 7, UH, GAS STATION THERE, AND A WHATABURGER AND A MCDONALD'S ALREADY WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH.
THERE'S A DEFACTO, UH, 18 WHEELER PARKING LOT THAT'S COMING INTO THERE.
THERE'S DAILY, UH, TRASH, UH, TAKING OUT OF THERE.
SO THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY MITIGATION FOR SOUND OR LIGHT OR NOISE POLLUTION OR THE OTHER POLLUTIONS THAT'S THERE.
SO A TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A CONCERN.
103 PARKING SPACES WOULD, UH, DEFINITELY AFFECT THE PERCOLATION AND THE DRAINAGE OF THE AREA.
AND AS IT IS OUR BACKYARDS, WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO, UH, HAVE A NONPERMEABLE, UH, AREA OF THEREFORE OUR BACKYARD.
AND IF YOU HAD A NONPERMEABLE PARKING LOT THERE, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY AFFECT OUR FOUNDATIONS.
SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY CONTRIBUTE TO, UH, DIFFICULTY IN OUR, UH, HOUSES AND, UH, PROBLEMS WITH, UH, SETTLING ISSUES THAT ARE ALREADY, UH, THAT WILL, THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE IT TO THAT.
SO AS PROPERTY OWNERS, WE WERE ASKED WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE PARCEL PROPERTY TO DO WITH THEIR LAND INSTEAD OF DEVELOPMENT.
I HAVE OTHER RESIDENTS, BUT THEY DIDN'T REALLY KNOW ABOUT THIS THING.
THE OTHER EIGHT RESIDENTS, SO, SORRY.
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UH, MR. JACOBSON, DO YOU REALLY WANT, UH, REBUTTAL? NO, SIR.UM,
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. VANDERPOL.
OH, JUST GONNA OPEN IT IF YOU WANNA FINISH, BUT I WAS ALSO GONNA ASK YOU WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANTED TO SEE IN THE AREA.
SO IF THOSE ARE THE SAME THINGS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO WE WERE THINKING ABOUT, UM, SINCE IT'S, UH, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT A COMMERCIAL NURSERY OR GREEN SPACE, SORRY, I'M SUCH A NERD.
AND I KNOW HE'S TRYING TO SELL IT TO RECOUP HIS MONEY.
THE REST OF THE, HIS LAND WENT TO THIS RES THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION.
SO THIS IS JUST THE REMAINDER SLIVER.
AND THEN CAN I GET THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVE, UM, CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OUTREACH YOU'VE DONE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT A TON OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, BUT FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING OUT THERE.
SO, UH, THERE AREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE SENT LETTERS TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
THE, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE MCDONALD'S AND THE WHATABURGER AND SOME OTHER, UH, IN FACT, ONE OF THEM CAME TO OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BRIEFING.
UM, SO, BUT THE TWO OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS AND THERE AREN'T MANY THERE, THEY'RE STILL COMING IN AS THE SUBDIVISIONS BEING DEVELOPED.
SO WE HAVE TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS PLUS ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THEN WE DID FOLLOW UP LETTERS AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO AT THIS TIME.
AND AGAIN, WALKING THROUGH IN DETAIL THE NATURE OF, AND THE CONSTRAINTS AND THE LAND USES AROUND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT'S INTENDED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR NOW.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS LEFT? YES.
COMMISSIONER ELL, UH, WITH THE PLANNING, UH, COMMISSION PLAN AMENDMENT, UH,
UM, BUT, UH, THE LAST ZONING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE, WE HAD DISCUSSED PLANNING COMMISSION AND ZONING COMMISSION, WE HAD COME TO THE IDEA THAT IF, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD NOT YET DECIDED ON THE ITEM, THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL IN ITS ENTIRETY, INCLUDING THE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPOSAL, UM, WHAT ARE WE STILL SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE, THE PLAN AMENDMENT? ARE WE STILL SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENCY WITH THE EXISTING PLAN AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION? OR DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR GUYS' RECOMMENDATION TO US? AGAIN, YOU'RE A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM PLANNING COMMISSION.
YOU'RE, WE JUST NOTIFIED Y'ALL BECAUSE IT DID GET REVIEWED BEFORE THEM.
WE NOTIFY PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY ZONING COMMISSION.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS, IT'S JUST FOR ALL INFORMATION.
BUT AGAIN, YOUR GOAL IS NOT TO CHANGE IF PLANNING COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED IT, THEIR PLAN AMENDMENT OR NOT.
DOES THAT HELP? WELL, SO ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR REVIEW IS CONSISTENCY.
AND ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW FOR CONSISTENCY IS CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.
SO IN THE PAST WHEN I HAD ASKED, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER IT WITH WHAT WE THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO, OR WE, THE ANSWER WAS WE SHOULD REVIEW IT BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD DO FOR CONSISTENCY.
SO MY QUESTION IS, NOW THAT WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SHOULD WE STILL REVIEW IT BASED ON CONSISTENCY WITH WHAT WE THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR THE COUNCIL SHOULD ADOPT? OR SHOULD WE GO WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION AND REVIEW IT BASED ON CONSISTENCY WITH WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED? WELL, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WOULD ALLOW SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING IF APPROVED.
SO YOU'D BE FOCUSED ON THE SPECIFIC ZONING REQUEST BEING MADE BY THIS APPLICANT ON THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
BUT GO TO YOUR QUESTION, I WOULD SAY RECOMMEND WHAT YOU ARE WANTING.
SO THE SAME, THE SAME ADVICE AS WITH IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HADN'T MET BEFORE US.
SO AGAIN, STATE, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT THE ZONING HAS TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PLANS AND THE PLAN AMENDMENTS.
AND SO THE ONLY WAY THAT A ZONING CHANGE WOULD HAPPEN IS IF CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO CHANGE THE PLAN.
SO YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A ZONING THAT'S GONNA BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
SO IF IT HELPS, YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED TO THE PLAN, WHETHER THEY DID OR NOT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE PLAN GETS CHANGED IN ORDER FOR THE ZONING CHANGE TO HAPPEN.
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SO ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE EVER GONNA HAVE THE ZONING CHANGE, IS IF THE PLAN AMENDMENT GETS CHANGED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THEY ARE ULTIMATELY AGREEING WITH THAT.AND I'M JUST GONNA, I THINK, REITERATE THAT THIS IS HELPFUL INFORMATION, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UM, BUT YOU GET TO DO YOUR OWN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU AS A INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER WANT TO RELY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU MAY DO SO.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO DO YOUR OWN THOROUGH REVIEW OF THE PLAN AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, YOU CAN DO SO TOO.
SO, UH, MS. VANDERPOOL, IF WE CAN ASK YOU TO COME UP AGAIN, YOU STAYED? YES, SIR.
UH, WHEN DO YOU, UH, ROUGHLY BUY YOUR HOME? I BOUGHT IT JANUARY, UH, 17TH, 2025.
AND, AND STAFF, THE, UH, I 10 EAST CORRIDOR PLAN WAS ADOPTED FEBRUARY, 2001, IS THAT CORRECT? HOLD PLEASE.
AND THE, THE REASON WHY THE APPLICANT HAD TO GO FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, WAS BECAUSE THE FEBRUARY, 2001 PLAN AMENDMENT, THE, OR SORRY, THE EAST CORRIDOR PLAN WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED THIS PROPOSED ZONING.
IT WOULD'VE, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE 2001.
A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED IT.
SO IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SAID, OR IT CURRENTLY IS TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE PORTION THAT TOUCHES THAT LOAD DENSITY, LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS THE CAUSE FOR THIS REQUEST.
SO THEY ARE COMING DOWN IN INTENSITY FROM REGIONAL COMMERCIAL TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
COULD, COULD YOU GUYS, THIS MATTERS TO AT LEAST TO TO MY ANALYSIS.
COULD WE SEE ON A MAP, MAYBE JUST TO CLARIFY THAT POINT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
DO YOU YEAH, SO WHAT I THINK WE WANT IS THE PLANNING AMENDMENT SITE MAP.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN, THAT IS IT.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU WALK ME THROUGH IT? SO YOU CAN SEE THE RED SECTION IS REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND THAT IS TO SUPPORT HIGHER INTENSE, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS.
AND THE TWO LITTLE SMALL SECTIONS AT THE ENDS IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY BASICALLY DID A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY JUST TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT TO ALLOW TO SUPPORT THE C TWO BUT TO A RADIO'S NOTE THAT REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ITEM WOULD PERMIT MUCH HIGHER DISTRICTS.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? SEEING NONE TO MY RIGHT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION.
THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE INFO AND STAFF AS WELL.
UM, I SAW THIS PARCEL, WE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT LOOKS FUNKY.
IT IS FUNKY 'CAUSE LOOK AT IT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE EDGE OF A, YOU KNOW, SUBDIVISION THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
UM, I THINK IN GENERAL IT'S INTERESTING TO HEAR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY THE NOTE ABOUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION AND JUST THE, THE EXISTING KIND OF THE, UM, GAS STATION WHATABURGER, MCDONALD'S LIGHT POLLUTION, SOUND POLLUTION ISSUE.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BUILDING SOMETHING IN THAT AREA WOULD HELP LIKE ANYTHING
UM, AND ALSO YOU'RE PUTTING A BARRIER BETWEEN YOU LIKE THE RESIDENTS AND THE, UH, INTERSTATE.
SO, UM, THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME.
UM, I, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY BIG CONCERNS WITH THIS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, UM, THE DOWN ZONING GO INTO A LESS INTENSIVE USE, WHICH IS GOOD TO SEE.
UM, SO I'M IN A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER LO.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM, UH, DISCUSSION LEFT? YES.
I JUST BRIEFLY HAD THE MAP AND GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION COME DOWN DIFFERENTLY.
I THINK IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE CHANGED, UH, MY POSITION.
REASONABLE INVESTMENT BACKED EXPECTATIONS.
WHEN A HOMEOWNER BUYS A HOME, WHETHER OR NOT THEY LOOK AT THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS, THEY'RE ON NOTICE OF THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS.
SO THE ARGUMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE WHOLE PROPERTY WAS BEING, YOU KNOW, ASKED TO HAVE A, UH, UH, ZONING THAT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN OR SORRY, THE, THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATIONS WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, AS WHEN THEY MOVED THERE, THAT WOULD WEIGH VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN IN THIS CASE WHERE IT WAS PRIMARILY REGIONAL COMMERCIAL.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? LEFT.
THE MOTION IS FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR BY COMMISSIONER LO WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.
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COMMISSIONER LO? YES.COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES.
AND AGAIN, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BOTTLES BODY, SO YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL PERSON AND THEY'LL TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE.
ALEXA, ANA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS LOCATED AT 1210 CATON AVENUE, GOING FROM R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO R FOUR CD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME.
THERE WERE 29 NOTICES SENT OUT.
FOUR IN FAVOR, 10 OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET.
HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED AND OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET, THERE ARE SIX IN FAVOR AND 10 OPPOSED.
THE EXISTING R FOUR IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED R FOUR CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND MUCH OF THE SURROUNDING AREA CURRENTLY BENEFIT FROM THE BETA R FOUR CONVERSION, WHICH PERMITS A TWO FAMILY DUPLEX RESIDENCE.
DESPITE THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO BE CONTAINED IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE SITE HAS AN IMPROVED ALLEY TO THE REAR, WHICH CAN PROVIDE FURTHER BUFFERING FROM THE PROPERTIES OF SOUTH.
THE CD CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE BOUND TO A SITE PLAN AND DEVIATION FROM THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENT WOULD POTENTIALLY WARRANT ADDITIONAL PUBLIC REVIEW AND CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION.
THE SITE PLAN INDICATES NO FUTURE EXPANSION BEYOND THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THE PRESENCE OF SUFFICIENT ON SITE PARKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
I'M THE OWNER AND I LIVE AT 1 35 SUN GLOW AVENUE.
I DID MEET WITH THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION LAST WEEK, TUESDAY.
AND, UM, WE MET AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD THERE, THERE THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE PARKING SITUATION.
SO ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WERE ONLY BASED ON PARKING.
AND I REPEATED THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARKING ON MY PROPERTY FOR ONSITE PRO UH, PARKING FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS THERE.
THERE'S APPROVAL FOR TWO UNITS.
I ONLY NEED APPROVAL FOR THAT ONE MORE UNIT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY SEE ME AS AN ADVERSARY.
I SEE THIS, THIS THREEPLEX UNIT AS AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THAT WITH THE GROWTH OF SAN ANTONIO, I THINK THAT THEY NEED THIS MIDDLE HOUSING AND IT IS IN THE CORRIDOR WHERE IT IS NEEDED.
THERE'S A LOT OF, LIKE I'VE, I'VE BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE SOCIAL ECONOMIC LEVEL OF A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS TODAY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT AFFORD A HOME.
SO IT DOES, IT DOES AFFORD PEOPLE, UH, THE ABILITY TO, TO BUY A HOME WHERE WHETHER IT BE, UM, PE JUST PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD A HOME, A HOME.
NOW, THE ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY IS WHILE WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, DR UH, DR.
OSA WAS PRESENT THERE AT THE MEETING AND THE ONLY THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS PARKING, PARKING, PARKING.
ON THE 29TH, I GET A, A DENIAL FROM, UM, AARON, THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD PRESIDENT THAT SAYS THAT THE BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE BLOCK OF CATON CURRENTLY EXCEEDS A SUSTAINABLE DENSITY OF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES.
SO I WANNA POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEMBERS LIVE ON THE 1200 BLOCK.
THE BLOCK OF CATON CAN STARTS FROM HACKBERRY AND GOES TO CLARK AVENUE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THEIR BLOCK OR THE DENSITY FOR THE ENTIRE STREET OF CATON.
SO THE ONLY THING I REQUESTED WAS, WAS THERE ANY SUPPORTING EVIDENCE OR DOCUMENTATION TO THIS EXCEEDING SUSTAINABLE DENSITY, EITHER FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING, ANY STATISTICS THAT WARRANT THAT? YES, THIS IS INDEED TRUE, A DENSITY ISSUE.
IF IT WASN'T, ANYONE CAN OPPOSE ANYTHING AND JUST SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE WILLY-NILLY DEAL.
SO PART OF ME DOES BELIEVE THAT THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OVERSTEPPING SOME OF THEIR BOUNDS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST, I HATE TO SAY IT, PRACTICING SOMEWHAT OF NIMBY ACTIVISM.
BECAUSE THE REALITY IS I DO BELIEVE IT'S AN ASSET FOR THE, NOT ONLY THE STREET, THE COMMUNITY SAN ANTONIO AS A WHOLE, AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO, I DID MAKE, HOW DO YOU SAY, CHANGES TO MY LEASE AND I SAID I WOULD HAVE ANY OF MY TENANTS MAKE SURE THEY PARK
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ON SITE, NOT IN THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE STREET.I DID INFORM THEM AGAIN THAT TWO OF THE ENTRANCES TO THE HOME ARE IN THE REAR.
SO I DOUBT VERY MUCH SO THAT ANYONE'S GONNA WANNA PARK IN THE FRONT OF THE HOME, IN THE STREET TO WALK ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK TO GET INTO THEIR HOME.
MOST PEOPLE ALWAYS WANNA PARK NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THEIR HOME.
THE GENTLEMAN IN THE FRONT HAS BEEN PARKING IN THE FRONT AND I HAVE NOT TOLD THEM TO PARK IN THE BACK.
THERE'S HASN'T BEEN ANY NEED TO.
SO AT THIS POINT, UH, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY IS THERE'S A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ZONING COMMISSION, THE RESIDENTS, THE CITY.
WE SHOULD ALL WORK TOGETHER AS OPPOSED AS FROM AN ADVERSARIAL PERSPECTIVE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WANT TO KEEP EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF HORSE AND BUGGIES LATELY.
SO WE HAVE TO MOVE WITH THE DYNAMIC OF THE GROWTH OF THE CITY AND KNOWING THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.
NOW I I KNOW THAT, UH, THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEIR ADVOCACY SHOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THEY'RE ADDRESSING ANY OF THESE THINGS, SAFETY, NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH, LIGHTING, PARKING, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY DOING? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REGULATORY AGENCY THAT OVERLOOKS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
BECAUSE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS CAN JUST SAY NO.
SO WHERE DO I GO TO SAY, I WANT TO SAY I DON'T AGREE WITH IT? 'CAUSE I, I'M, I'M SHOWING REASON, LOGIC, STATISTICS, EVERYTHING THAT WARRANTS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD SUIT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ALL I'M GETTING IS HEARSAY FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS.
SO I'M NOT GETTING ANY STATISTICAL DATA THAT, HOW DO YOU SAY, SUPPORTS THE, THAT DECISION? I DO HAVE A PICTURE OF THE PLACE, UH, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN, MR. CHRIS VIA SAID IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT GO BLACK.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU PUT IT AT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE LITTLE PLACE THAT CAN SUPPORT.
IT'S GONNA GO BLACK AND A BIT, IT CAN SUPPORT A SINGLE PERSON, UH, A COUPLE OR A SMALL FAMILY.
IT'S BASICALLY A KITCHEN AND A, A KITCHEN, ANOTHER LITTLE ROOM IN THE KITCHEN THAT YOU CAN'T SEE.
AND THEN IT HAS A LARGE BEDROOM.
AND THEN, AND IN THAT BEDROOM, THERE'S A DOOR.
THE ONE ON THE VERY RIGHT BOTTOM RIGHT, THAT DOOR LEADS TO A RESTROOM.
THAT'S THE RESTROOM THAT I HAD TO, UH, RAISE THE ROOF BECAUSE THE ROOF WAS SO LOW THAT LITERALLY YOU COULDN'T USE THE RESTROOM APPROPRIATELY UNLESS YOU WERE A CHILD.
SO THAT RESTROOM WAS RAISED OR THE CEILING WAS RAISED THREE FEET.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY.
I MEAN, UM, I DID HAVE A LITTLE LINE I WANTED TO THROW IN THERE.
THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SHOULD BASE THEIR DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS, EVIDENCE, AND PROOF OF, OF STATISTICS, AND NOT ON HEARSAY FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS.
THE CITY'S POPULATION IS FORECAST FOR MUCH MORE GROWTH IN THE COMING YEARS AND WARRANTS MIDDLE HOUSING NEEDS.
AND MANY FAMILIES CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY A HOME IN TODAY'S SOCIOECONOMIC TIMES.
I'M NOT ASKING TO PUT A BAR, A 24 HOUR ESTABLISHMENT OR A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN MY HOME.
I SIMPLY AM ASKING FOR THE APPROVAL AND WHAT AMOUNTS TO ONE MORE UNIT WHICH CAN SERVE A SINGLE PERSON, A COUPLE WITH SMALL FAMILY.
I KNOW MY REQUEST IS REASONABLE AND JUST, AND I HOPE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEING THIS, THESE EMAILS AGREE.
SO I SEND A FEW EMAILS OUT AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL, ALL I HAVE TO SAY, NOT TO SEE, NOT TO SEE ME AS A ADVERSARY, BUT MORE AS AN ASSET.
I, OR MAN, I DO, HOW DO YOU SAY? LOOK AT THE TENANTS THAT I'M GONNA PUT IN THERE.
I DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I WANT BASICALLY EVERYTHING THEY WANT.
THE ONLY THING IS I'M DOING IT FOR MY MYSELF IS, IS QUOTE UNQUOTE MY RETIREMENT PLAN.
SO I, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE I, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIBERTY, FREEDOM AND HAPPINESS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
I MEAN, I DID MAKE A PRETTY LARGE INVESTMENT AS IN THIS AND IT'S LIKE WE'RE JUST GOING TO OPPOSE IT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. RODRIGUEZ.
FIRST UP WE HAVE ALFREDO ANO NO ONE LIKED THE, THE WHEEL OF FORTUNE JOKES, SO I'M NOT MAKING IT AGAIN.
SEE, NOW I'VE EVEN MESSED UP THE SECOND JOKE.
I LIVE AT 1 6 1 5 EAST HIGHLAND AND HAVE BEEN THERE FOR PRETTY MUCH 30 YEARS.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH A HORSE AND CARRIAGE.
BUT ONE THING I WANNA MENTION, 'CAUSE
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THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, PROPERTY VALUES DO NOT GO DOWN WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, WHEN IT GETS REZONED ON PAPER, THEY DON'T.BUT HAD THAT BEEN A DIFFERENT ZONE, I WOULD HAVE NOT BOUGHT THAT HOUSE.
I WAS LOOKING FOR SINGLE FAMILY UNITS, NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SECONDLY, I REALLY THINK THAT IF YOU, IF HE WAS TO DO THAT, IF YOU PASS THIS, WOULD I BE ABLE TO DO THAT? WOULD MY NEIGHBOR BE ABLE TO ADD, TURN HIM INTO A DUPLEX? WOULD I BE ABLE TO DO THAT? I'M, I'M ASKING YOU, SIR.
UM, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT DURING OUR DISCUSSION.
WE CAN, BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S REZONED, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK US QUESTIONS, SO, OH, OKAY.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD, BUT I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT OTHERS WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY REZONED.
I WILL ADDRESS THAT LATER AND WE CAN YEAH.
OR ONLY HE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
BUT THERE'S A RING, BUT ZONING AFFECTS HOW MUCH? JUST ONE HOUSE, ONLY PROPERTY AT ISSUE.
SO, UH, IN MY, ON MY STREET, WOULD THAT STILL BE ZONED THE SAME? MR. PISANO? I'LL, I'LL CALL YOU UP AND ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
UH, BUT IF YOU WANT TO JUST USE THE REST OF YOUR TIME TO ADDRESS US, THAT'S FINE.
I I'M OPPOSED TO IT, OBVIOUSLY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE 'EM, IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE INTEGRITY OF THE HIGHLAND PARK.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE PUT OUR MONEY INTO.
THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE.
AND I, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT REZONED.
I LIVE AT 1211 CATON ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS PLACE.
HOWEVER, I FEEL LIKE HE'S TOTALLY OUTTA TOUCH WITH WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE WENT WITHIN MY BOARD MEETING ON TUESDAY.
UM, HE TALKED A LOT ABOUT, I'M SORRY, THIS MAKES ME REALLY NERVOUS ABOUT HOW HIS CHILDREN CAN'T AFFORD HOMES.
SO HE'S BUYING SOME OF THESE HOMES TO GIVE TO HIS CHILDREN.
THAT THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM,
HOW CAN ONE MORE RENTAL UNIT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? WELL, THAT'S ALREADY TWO, THAT'S GONNA BE THREE RENTAL UNITS RIGHT THERE ON OUR STREET.
WE HAVE THREE HOUSES UP FOR RENT NOW THAT, UM, TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE MOVED OUT.
AND WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE HERE 18 YEARS AGO, I BOUGHT IT THROUGH THE CITY WITH A DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.
PEOPLE WERE COMMITTED TO LIVE IN THESE INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT TURN 'EM INTO RENTAL PROPERTY, WHICH I SAW WHEN I LIVED IN BEACON HILL.
AND WHEN I LIVED IN RIVER ROAD.
AND WHEN I LIVED IN MANKEY, NOT MANKEY PARK, YOU DIDN'T MESS WITH MANKEY PARK.
HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MEANS TO US.
HE SAYS HE'S NOT PROSTITUTING HIS HOMES, WHICH IS WHAT HE SAID THE FLIPPERS DO.
ISN'T THAT, THAT'S THE SAME THING TO ME.
SO WE DON'T WANT THIS, WE DON'T WANT THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DISCERN FROM OUR BOARD IS HE OWNS ABOUT 12 PROPERTIES.
SO HE IS NOT A LITTLE HUMBLE MAN WITH FEW PIECES OF PROPERTY FOR HIS RETIREMENT.
UM, I FEEL HE IS BEEN DECEPTIVE.
MY NEIGHBOR NEXT TO ME, MS. MARTIN, THAT'S YOUR TIME.
UM, OUR HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT WAS HERE, BUT HER BABY GOT SICK, SO SHE HAD TO LEAVE.
SO SHE LEFT ME WITH THE STATEMENT.
SO CAN I READ MINE AND HERS ALSO? NO, MA'AM.
JUST, JUST TWO MINUTES, BUT IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND TELL US YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, RACHEL RORY, 1143 CADEN AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
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MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS, LIKE MYSELF, HAVE BEEN IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES.WE ARE DEEPLY ROOTED HERE AND CARE GREATLY ABOUT THE CHARACTER AND STABILITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE SEEING A POSITIVE SHIFT WITH MANY YOUNG FAMILIES MOVING IN AND INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR BLOCK ALREADY HAS THREE DUPLEXES AND ONE TRIPLEX.
AS A RESULT, AS EVERYONE HAS HEARD, PARKING HAS BECOME LIMITED, OFTEN, OFTEN MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO PASS THROUGH.
WE RECENTLY HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO SUFFERED A STROKE AND UNFORTUNATELY, A FIRETRUCK COULD NOT ACCESS OUR STREET.
THEY HAD TO REROUTE TO CLARK AND GO TWO BLOCKS OVER.
MANY OF OUR RES RESIDENTS ARE SENIORS AND IN AN EMERGENCY, EVERY MINUTE IS CRITICAL.
THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES AND APARTMENTS FOR RENT WITHIN THE TWO BLOCK RADIUS OF MR. RODRIGUEZ'S PROPERTY.
UM, THAT'S TWO 14 CATON, TWO 18 CATON.
AND THEN 5 35 HIGHLANDS, 6 0 7 EAST HIGHLANDS, 1211 AVANT AND 10 11 AVANT.
ALL THOSE ARE OPEN FOR RENT RIGHT NOW.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
HOWEVER, OUR AREA IS ALREADY EXPERIENCING THE EFFECTS OF INCREASED DENSITY AND IS BEGINNING TO FEEL OVERWHELMED.
MS. RODRIGUEZ, MR. RODRIGUEZ ROLE IS IMPORTANT IN ENSURING THAT THE RENTAL PROPERTY DOES NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTS SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
BASED ON HIS MEETING WITH OUR BOARD AND FEEDBACK FROM OUR NEIGHBORS, IT IS MY IMPRESSION THAT HIS PRIMARY FOCUS IS FINANCIAL.
SEVERAL, SEVERAL RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY SENIORS, HAVE FELT UNSETTLED BY HIS AGGRESSIVE APPROACH WHEN CONTACTING THEM, RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER HE WILL BE A RESPONSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL LANDLORD.
WE NEED PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE MINDFUL AND RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO HELP MAINTAIN THE QUALITY AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE MISSION TO CONSIDER THE GROWING DENSITY AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION.
THANK YOU EDDIE ROHR, I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK AND BRIEF AS I CAN.
UH, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY ISSUE.
IF YOU'LL LOOK THAT STREET IS NOT SORRY.
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE STREET THERE, IT'S ONLY 27 FEET.
BY THE TIME YOU GET CARS PARKED ON BOTH SIDES, IT BECOMES IMPASSABLE.
WE HAVE ON THE AVERAGE OF 18 TO 15 CARS DURING THE DAY PARKED ON THAT STREET.
EMS CANNOT COME DOWN THROUGH THERE.
SCHOOL BUSES WILL COME UP TO THE 1200 BLOCK AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL DIVERT EITHER TO RIGSBY OR HIGHLANDS TO GET AROUND IT BECAUSE IT'S IMPASSABLE.
UH, WE, WE'VE, SOMETHING'S GOT TO BE DONE.
UH, IT'S NOT GONNA GET, HE SAYS HE HAS ONE RENT AROUND, WHICH IS ACTUAL, BUT HE PARKS ON THE STREET FACING THE WRONG WAY.
THEY DON'T GO IN THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SINGLE CAR DRIVEWAY AND YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE CARS IN AND OUT.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A REAL PROBLEM.
THE, THE MORE OF THESE HOUSES THAT ARE CUT UP AND SPLIT UP AND MADE INTO RENTALS TO PROFIT THE INDIVIDUAL MAKES IT HARDER ON THE RESIDENTS TO EVEN NAVIGATE THE STREET OUT THERE.
I THINK IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A PERSON'S PROFIT.
SOMETIMES YOU MAY NOT THINK ABOUT IT, BUT WHEN IT'S YOUR LOVED ONES, MOST OF YOU ARE MUCH, MUCH YOUNGER THAN I AM.
BUT WHEN YOUR PARENTS OR YOUR YOUNG CHILD NEEDS HELP, AN EMS GETS HALFWAY DOWN.
THE BLOCK HAS TO GET OUT, TWO OFFICERS, GET THE UNIT BACKED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CLARK, AND THEN COME DOWN ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS.
YOU'RE GONNA STOP AND THINK ABOUT YOURSELF AND THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT NOW.
UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE THAT ARE TOTALLY DISABLED VETERANS, A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED.
UH, WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP DURING THE DAY.
THEY, THERE ARE SERVICE PEOPLE THAT COME IN, CAN'T EVEN PARK ON THE STREET.
THEY HAVE TO PARK A AN ADJACENT STREET AND WALK OVER.
IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY BETTER.
UH, WE HAVE MORE AND MORE INVESTORS COMING OUT DOING THIS.
I BELIEVE MS. REED HAD TO GO TAKE CARE OF HER BABY.
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YES.MY NAME IS GREG GRIPS AND I'M A RESIDENT OF TWO 11 ASTER STREET.
AND, UH, I HOPE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVEN'T SAID.
BUT, UM, YES, PARKING IS AN IMPORTANT PROBLEM THAT WE FACE.
YOU DRIVE ON CATON AND AS HE WELL DESCRIBED, YOU'VE GOTTA LOOK LIKE A BLOCK AHEAD TO SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER CAR COMING OR YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET DOWN THE STREET.
AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY, UH, STREET OF COURSE THAT SUFFERS FROM THAT PROBLEM IN HIGHLAND PARK, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE THAT ALREADY EXIST THERE.
BUT WE CAN DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE.
WE ALREADY HAVE A, A ZONING IN EFFECT.
AND MR. RODRIGUEZ HAS ASKED FOR A CHANGE.
UH, WE FEEL IT WAS INCUMBENT UPON HIM TO ARGUE FOR THAT CHANGE AND FOR US, HE DID NOT, UH, SUBSTANTIATE MAKING THAT CHANGE.
I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT HE HAS, UH, MODIFIED HIS WORDING OF HIS LEASE AND IT DOES INCLUDE, UH, THAT THE, UH, RESIDENCE OF THE UNITS IN THE BACK, UH, PARK IN THE BACK.
BUT THE, UH, SURFACE OF THAT PARKING AREA IS GOING TO BE CALICHE, WHICH IS KIND OF A, A PROBLEM IN ITSELF.
THIS IS NOT A, A PERSONAL ISSUE AND WE DO REALLY TAKE IT INTO SERIOUS CONSIDERATION, BUT IT IS NOT A DEPRIVE OF HIS RIGHTS.
AND HE CLAIMS THAT ANY COVENANT WOULD BE AN INFRINGEMENT ON HIS RIGHTS.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT WE ARE SIMPLY NOT, UH, GIVING HIM A RIGHT.
THAT HE IS NOT AT THIS TIME ENTITLED TO.
AND IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO DRAW THE LINE, THERE WILL BE MORE AND MORE REQUESTS.
THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I'D LIKE TO JUST SHOW THIS ONE PICTURE.
THIS IS ONE, ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM MY HOME THERE.
BUT YOU CAN PUT UP THE PICTURES, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU WITHOUT THE MICROPHONE.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM MY HOME.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN FOR MY STR ONE EXTRA CAR, WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT IN THAT HOU IN, ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS BUREAU, IN THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, THERE'S 3,581 HOMES THERE.
OF THOSE HOMES, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, 202,520, WHICH ARE ONE UNIT HOMES.
THERE ARE 276 2 UNIT HOMES, DUPLEXES, THERE'S A HUNDRED SIXTY EIGHT, THREE OR FOUR UNIT HOMES.
THERE'S 88, 5 TO NINE UNIT HOMES, 10 TO 1969 UNIT HOMES, 20 TO 49, UNIT 121 OF 20 TO 49 UNITS, 221 50 OR MORE UNITS.
SO THERE, THERE'S ALREADY A STANDARD OF SO MANY MULTI-USE, I MEAN MULTI-USE, MULTI-FAMILY HOMES IN THAT, IN THAT ZONE.
I SO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, 40.3 PER 40.3% OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY, HOW DO YOU SAY, RENTALS.
AND THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE CENSUS BUREAU.
SO I UNDERSTAND THEY WANNA PRESERVE, BUT AT THE SAME, BY THE SAME TOKEN, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE MOVING ON.
AND THE CITY'S DYNAMIC, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE CITY AND PEOPLE DO NEED A, A PLACE TO, TO STAY.
AND LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS ONE BLOCK AWAY FROM MY HOME AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN.
BUT I MEAN, AND THIS FOR-PROFIT THING THAT, THAT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE GUY I HAVE IN ONE PLACE WHO HAS TERMINAL CANCER, HE'S GOING THROUGH, HE CAN'T PAY HIS RENT RIGHT NOW.
IT DOESN'T, IT, I MEAN, THEY THINK EVERYTHING JUST LOVELY ON THE LANDLORD'S SIDE, NOT FURTHEST THING FROM THE TRUTH.
I WORKED, I'VE BEEN WORKING SINCE I WAS 12 YEARS OLD, NONSTOP JUNIOR HIGH, HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
I'M THE ONE THAT GOES OUT THERE AND BUSTS MY BUTT EVERY DAY.
I'M NOT THIS GUY WITH A SILVER SPOON.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A SILVER SPOON WAS.
UM, OH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, COMMISSIONER DUVAL LEFT ABOUT 3 55 AND RETURNED AT 3 58, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, ONE THING I GOT RIGHT TODAY.
UM, ALRIGHT, THIS IS, UH, DISTRICT THREE K.
SO COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
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FOR I GUESS STAFF.UM, HOW MANY OTHER PROPERTIES ON CADEN ALLOW DUPLEXES BY? RIGHT.
UH, BECAUSE THIS IS AN OLDER ZONING AREA, I KNOW SOME ARE, HAVE ISSUES AND THINK WE HAD ANOTHER ONE ON HAMMOND.
DO, DO Y'ALL, WOULD Y'ALL HAVE THAT INFORMATION? SO MUCH OF THIS AREA DOES BENEFIT FROM THAT B TWO R FOUR CONVERSION.
UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FROM OUR CODE TO BUILD THAT DUPLEX.
SO THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE LIKE A MINIMUM, UM, LOT SIZE OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, MEET THOSE SETBACKS AS WELL.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU HOW MANY ARE ACTING IN, UH, THAT CAPACITY AS A DUPLEX, BUT MUCH OF THE AREA COULD BENEFIT FROM IT.
UH, AND THEN, UH, IF THIS WAS A, OR IF THERE WAS AN NCDA NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WOULD THAT ADDRESS DETACHED UNITS AND DENSITY BY RIGHT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? IT COULD ANSWER ON, UM, A, SORRY, DETACHED BUILDINGS.
UH, BUT MOSTLY IT PERTAINS TO DESIGN ASPECTS IT COULD NOT REGULATE USES.
UH, AND HOW MANY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK WE ASKED THIS LAST TIME, BUT, UH, BASED ON THIS, UH, HOW MANY ONSITE PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THIS, UH, ZONING REQUEST? A, A TRIPLEX, IT'S 1.5 PER, UH, UNIT.
SO TIMES THREE WOULD BE 4.5, ROUND UP TO FIVE.
AM I MAKING THE MATH RIGHT? FIVE.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE, UH, THEY'VE SUBMITTED SIX SIX, YEAH.
AND THE QUESTION FOR MR. RODRIGUEZ? YES, SIR.
SO OUR METRIC, I KNOW THE, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS WAS, WAS THE PARKING ISSUE.
UH, ONE THING THEY HADN'T GOTTEN BROUGHT UP WAS, I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE A TENANT IN THE, IN THE FIRST, IN THE FRONT AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, YOU SAID HE PARKS IN THE FRONT, BUT, SO I'M ASSUMING HE PARKS IN THE DRIVEWAY? YES.
AND THE STREET, BOTH THE STREET AND THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IF HE, IF HE PARKS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN THE BACK, HOW, HOW DO THEY GET AROUND NOW? HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK.
NO, BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT GENTLEMAN WOULD WANT OTHER PEOPLE KNOCKING ON HIS DOOR TO MOVE HIS VEHICLE.
SO HE'S GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S INCONVENIENCED BY HAVING TO PARK FURTHER AWAY FROM HIS APARTMENT.
UH, UH, THANK YOU MR. RODRIGUEZ.
AND THEN A QUESTION FOR MS. UH, ROAR.
AND THE QUESTION, WHAT WAS, 'CAUSE YOU LIVE ON WHAT, WHAT STREET, UH, WHAT UH, ADDRESS DO YOU LIVE ON? CATON? I'M SORRY.
IT'S AT THE CORNER OF CATON AND ADELE.
SO HE'S ACROSS THE STREET, THREE HOUSES DOWN AND, AND ON ON YOUR BLOCK.
ARE ARE YOU ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT? UH, THE ONE THAT HAS A LITTLE SIGN ON THEIR, ON THEIR HOUSE? I THINK IT SAYS HIGHLANDS APARTMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE.
UH, AND I THINK I TALKED TO YOUR HUSBAND, UH, THE OTHER DAY.
UM, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE ON, IN IN THAT BLOCK? I MEAN, REAL QUICK, I MEAN, JUST, UH, I HAVE PHOTOS.
UH, IT WAS RECENTLY SOLD AND THERE IS A COVENANT ON THAT, ON ATTACHED TO THE DEED.
UH, AS OF RIGHT NOW ON THE SIDE, THEY PARK, THEY PARK ON CITY PROPERTY, THERE'S THREE MINIVANS.
THERE'S JUST, SOMEONE JUST MOVED UP STAIRS TO THE, UM, APARTMENT ABOVE THE GARAGE.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER VEHICLE, THERE'S A BUSINESS TRUCK AND TWO BUSINESS TRUCKS.
SO WHEN THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE PARKED ON CITY PROPERTY OR THEY'RE PARKED ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, UH, SOMETIMES THEY'RE PARKED IN THE STREET.
AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, JUST SO KNOW AND PEOPLE, UM, CAN LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS, BUT HIGHLAND PARK IS SUCH A UNIQUE AREA, OLD NEIGHBORHOOD THAT RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE FRONT OF THE, YOUR HOUSE, WE HAVE THE SIDEWALK, YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL GRASSY AREA.
THAT GOES OUT TO THE CURB, WHICH IS ALMOST A CAR LENGTH IN ITSELF, OR CAR WIDTH.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR NOW, UH, CHAIR.
ANY QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? YES, COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ IS THE QUESTIONS, UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE HOA OR IS SOMEONE SPEAKING ON BEHALF? CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? THERE'S AN OFFICER A BOARD.
LEMME, CAN YOU STEP UP THE MIC PLEASE? ONE SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES THAT ARE DUPLEXES OR TRIPLEXES ON? THERE IS, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME.
UH, THE TWO I NEED, I DON'T HAVE THE ADDRESSES.
THERE'S THREE OTHER DUPLEXES ON THAT BLOCK.
NOW, WHEN THEY, UH, WHEN THEY APPLIED TO GET REZONED, WERE,
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DID YOU OPPOSE THEM ALSO? UH, 1203? YES, WE DID.THE OTHER ONES HAVE BEEN, THEY'VE ADDED ON TO THE PROPERTY AND SO WE NEVER AS A BOARD RECEIVED ANYTHING IF IN REFERENCE TO REZONING, IF THEY'RE DOING IT WITHOUT A PERMIT, SO.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO CAN I, WE'VE ALSO, UM, OPPOSED, UH, IT'S ON HAMMOND.
AS WE GET THE REZONING NOTICES, UH, I TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO CONTACT THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE TO FIND OUT WHAT IT IS BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THESE FORMS AND THEY JUST THROW 'EM AWAY.
THEY DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH THE CAR.
THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM MR. RODRIGUEZ'S PROPERTY, THE RED CAR.
WHO, WHO, WHO OWNS THAT RED CAR? UM, UH, I GOT IT ON, UH, GOOGLE MAPS HERE.
THERE'S A RED CAR DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARKED ON THE STREET.
IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THAT VEHICLE? YES.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE CONTACTED THE OWNER AT 1223 AND HE SAYS, HEY, I'M LEGAL.
IS THERE ANY TYPE OF, UH, CCR THAT PREVENTS HOMEOWNERS FROM PARKING ON THE STREET? NO.
SO THEN WHY WOULD IT BE AN ISSUE FOR MR. R'S TENANT TO PARK ON THE STREET? IT'S JUST MORE CONGESTION, MORE MORE VEHICLES ON THERE.
SO IT, IT'S NOT MR. RODRIGUEZ, IT'S ALL THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED THERE THAT ARE CAUSING THE, THE SAFETY HAZARD.
THIS IS A MESSAGE, UH, OR A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IF THIS WAS TO GET APPROVED, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT COULD, UH, BE PUT ON TO RESTRICT, UH, A HOMEOWNER TO PARK ON THE STREET THAT IS NOT PART OF THE ZONER REQUEST? NO.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ, ANY QUESTIONS? TO THE RIGHT? QUESTIONS TO THE LEFT? COMMISSIONER BEL, UH, TO STAFF, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE, UM, OVERLAY THAT ALLOWS CONVERSION TO DUPLEXES? WHAT, WHAT'S IT CALLED? WHAT'S THE HISTORY? IT'S NOT EXACTLY AN OVERLAY, IT'S JUST THE BASE ZONE.
SO WHEN THIS AREA WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED IN 1935, WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED, IT WAS ESTABLISHED AS B AND THAT WOULD PERMIT TWO UNITS.
AND SO DURING THE CONVERSION IN 2001, THEY UM, CHANGED THEM ALL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THEY KNEW THAT THEY ALLOWED THIS EXCEPTION BASICALLY.
SO AGAIN, IF IT'S THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, UM, IT MEETS THOSE SIZE REQUIREMENTS THAT ALEXA WAS STATING AND THAT IT CONVERTS FROM THAT B TO R FOUR.
I'M SORRY, ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? IT'S THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION WHEN THE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED, IT, IT HAS NOT BEEN SUBDIVIDED SINCE THEN.
SO IT'S ONLY GRANDFATHERING IN THE PRIOR DUPLEXES? NO.
ALRIGHT, SO B, WHEN IT WAS FIRST AS A ZONING APPLIED TO THE CITY, THESE HOUSES EXISTED BEFORE THEM.
THEY WERE PLOTTED BEFORE THEM, ALL OF THAT, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO IN 1935, SAN ANTONIO INSTITUTED ZONING, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL B ZONING WHEN THAT WAS CONVERTED IN WHAT YEAR? 2001.
SO IF THE LOT WAS THE SAME SIZE, IF IT WAS OVER 6,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT HADN'T BEEN SUBDIVIDED, THOSE WERE ENTITLED TO DUPLEX BY? RIGHT.
AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
IF IT'S AN EMPTY LOT AND IT MEETS THAT CRITERIA, THEN THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO BUILD A DUPLEX.
AND UH, IF WE COULD LOOK LIKE WITH A MAP OF, UH, LIKE A GOOGLE MAPS OF HIGHLAND PARK, IS IT THE ENTIRETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? IS IT ONLY PARTS? IS IT BY BLOCK? I WE COULD NOT SAY NO.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY SENSE OF THIS BLOCK WAS IN PROBABLY THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IT COULD, IT COULD VARY.
YOU CAN SEE HERE FROM THE MAP, MOST OF THIS YELLOW IS PROBABLY R FOUR.
BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATIONS.
SO IF YOU SEE LIKE A SMALLER LOT THAT LOOKS OUT OF PLACE OR A LARGER LOCK THAT LOOKS OUT OF PLACE, THOSE ARE MOST LIKELY NOT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION AND WOULD NOT BE, UM, APPLICABLE.
SO LOOKING AT THE OLDER MAPS, IT APPEARS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOCKS IN THIS AREA WERE PREVIOUSLY B AND WENT THROUGH THIS CONVERSION.
SO, YOU KNOW, GIVE GIMME A, A SENSE OF THE ODDS THAT, THAT THIS BLOCK, WHETHER IT IS OR NOT IN THAT CATEGORY PREVIOUSLY BE JUST A GUESS.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION.
IF I'M LOOKING AT THE BLOCK FACE FROM, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? 5 12 0 2, 12 0 2 TO 1242.
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BLOCK THERE.I HAVE A GOOD CHANCE THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THOSE WOULD BE THAT B TO R FOUR, BUT OKAY.
SORRY MONT, DID YOU HAVE FURTHER? I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT THE LITTLE SLIVER PROBABLY IS NOT, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
IT DOES SHOW UP IN THE HANGING OUT, SO.
THERE IS A LITTLE SLIVER THERE.
UH, NOW DO WE
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE LEFT? ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT? YES.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ, QUESTION FOR STAFF.
DOES MR. RODRIGUEZ'S PROPERTY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD THAT THIRD UNIT? THE THIRD, ISN'T THAT WHAT HE'S APPLYING FOR FOR A THIRD? UH, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A DUPLEX, CORRECT? IT'S A THREE RIGHT NOW HE WOULD BE PERMITTED A DUPLEX RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE THIRD UNIT, NO.
HE NEEDS TO REZONE, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE.
DOES HIS PROPERTY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? WE DON'T HAVE REQUIREMENTS ON DOING A TRIPLEX.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? YES.
COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF REAL QUICK.
FOR FUTURE FOR LIKE WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO MIGRATE OR STOP THE B TWO R FOUR BY RIGHT ZONING IN THIS AREA? WOULD IT BE LIKE A UDC AMENDMENT? IT WOULD BE BASICALLY WELL, UUDC AMENDMENT OR REZONING THE WHOLE ENTIRE AREA.
AND THEN JUST REMIND ME 'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT WOULD BE STARTED BY LIKE A, UH, LIKE COUNCIL REQUEST.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE TO BE THAT WAY.
THAT, THAT'S IT FROM YOU FOR NOW.
COMMISSIONER, UH, PETE RODRIGUEZ.
THIS IS YOUR THIRD MR. RODRIGUEZ? UH, I, I WANNA HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY.
I I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP ONE LITTLE QUICK POINT.
UH, THE MINIMAL LOT SIZE FOR A FOURPLEX ACCORDING TO SAN ANTONIO ZONING IS 4,000 SQUARE FOOT.
MY LOT IS 7,500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH LEAVES PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THE PARKING.
SO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE ACCORDING TO ZONING IS FOUR.
OH, FOURPLEX IS 4,000 SQUARE FOOT.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY FOR THE FOURPLEX.
IT WOULD BE FOR THE BASE ZONING OF THE, THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO MOST LIKELY AN RM FOUR PERMITS A FOURPLEX AND YES, THAT WOULD BE 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
ALRIGHT, MR. PISANO, I'VE SAID I WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ON WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE COULD BUILD DUPLEXES.
I THINK WE'VE HAD THREE PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THAT.
UH, AND THAT'S THE B TO R FOUR CONVERSION WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
AND SO, AGAIN, LOOKING AT YOUR PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, IT DOES LOOK LIKE PRESUMING IT HASN'T CHANGED, UH, YOU HAVE 8,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU WOULD BE ENTITLED AS OF RIGHT MEANING WITHOUT ANY INTERFERENCE FROM THE CITY, BEYOND SORT OF BUILDING CODES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WITH RESPECT TO ZONING, YOU COULD HAVE A DUPLEX.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME TO ZONING FOR THAT.
SO I THINK I HELD UP MY WORD ON THAT ONE.
ALRIGHT, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION.
UH, THIS IS A, THIS WAS A TOUGH ONE.
UH, BUT IN MY, WHAT, WHAT MOTION I'M GONNA MAKE HERE IS BASED ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, UH, ZONING GOES WITH THE PROPERTY.
OKAY? SO WHATEVER WE CHANGE IT NOW, IT'S GONNA GO UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE CHANGES IT.
THE, THE STREET, THE RESIDENCE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I WALKED IN MULTIPLE TIMES AND, AND TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE I FEEL THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THERE, THERE, IN MY OPINION.
THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT ONE OR TWO PEOPLE RUN IT AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO WALK AND TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS HERE.
THE DATA IS SHOWING ME FROM, FROM THE WITHIN 200 FEET AND OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET, THAT OVERWHELMINGLY, OR A GOOD PERCENTAGE, THE NEIGHBORS JUST DO NOT WANT THIS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP RIGHT HERE TOO, I, I THINK WE SEE, UH, THE EXUS, UH, ON THERE.
I THINK MR. RODRIGUEZ IS PROBABLY A GREAT LANDLORD 'CAUSE HE'S PRETTY STRICT.
HOWEVER, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS GONE THROUGH SOME CHANGES, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE NINETIES.
I MEAN THESE WERE OLD, BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND, AND THE NINETIES OR MAYBE EVEN THE EIGHTIES, THEY GOT TURNED INTO TRIPLEXES AND FOUR PLEXUS AND IT, IT CHANGED THE COMMUNITY AND CHANGED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WANTS EVERYTHING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY.AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST THING.
I WANT THAT FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS PRETTY CONSISTENT, WHERE WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO A TRIPLEX OR A FOURPLEX, THEY, THEY, THEY FIGHT IT AND, AND THEY SHOW UP.
UH, WHICH IS A GREAT THING FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOW, MY SUGGESTION FOR MR. RODRIGUEZ WOULD BE, YOU OWN THIS HOUSE, JOIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, 'CAUSE HE'S, HE'S THE OWNER WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY STAND FOR.
NOW BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL BY RIGHT, I HAVE THIS.
AND, AND I MEAN IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT FINDING A CONSENSUS LIVING TOGETHER AS A NEIGHBOR.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, AGAIN BASED ON, ON THE NEIGHBORS ALONE AND ZONING, GOING WITH THE PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN AND COMPEL.
AGAIN, THIS IS A HARD DECISION, BUT I AM GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION.
SORRY, THAT WAS MY RIGHT DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT.
SEEING NONE DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT, YES.
ONLY THAT, UH, IF THE RESIDENTS OF HIGHLAND PARK CARED ENOUGH ABOUT THE, UH, B TWO R FOUR, R FOUR CONVERSION ISSUE, THEY SHOULD SPEAK WITH THE, UH, THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER ABOUT, UH, CHANGING THE UDC.
UM, BECAUSE I KNEW IF, IF, IF THAT WAS THE CASE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU KNOW, MY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD COULD, COULD BE CONVERTED INTO DUPLEXES, I WOULD WANT THAT CHANGED.
UH, BUT WITH THAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT? YES.
I'LL JUST SAY THERE'S A LOT OF SLANDER AGAINST RENTERS IN THIS DISCUSSION.
I'M NOT TARGETING ANYONE, BUT I JUST WANT US TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL ABOUT THE ASSUMPTION THAT SINGLE FAMILY IS LIKE THE IDEAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MILLION MORE PEOPLE BY 2040.
WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN THE MIDDLE.
WE NEED DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
I AM ALMOST ALWAYS GONNA SUPPORT MORE HOUSING OPTIONS, ESPECIALLY AT DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH RENTERS.
UM, VERY BIASED BECAUSE I AM A RENTER.
I ACTUALLY RENTED IN MINKE PARK, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THIS CITY IS GROWING AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT'S SHIPPED, SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTED AND REQUESTED.
SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
UM, ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, LAST WORD BY ME.
UM, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THE UDC.
I WOULD TALK TO CHRIS OVER HERE AND GO FOR A CCR FOR A LARGE AREA REZONING.
UM, THERE ARE SOME REASONS THAT I'M NOT ACTING AS A LAWYER, SO I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU.
UM, BUT TALK TO CHRIS ABOUT A LARGE AREA REZONING, IF YOU WANT TO LIMIT THE DUPLEXES, AS OF RIGHT.
ALRIGHT, UH, SECONDLY, I'M GOING TO, UH, JOIN COMMISSIONER LOAF IN OPPOSING THIS MOTION.
AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THE ADDITIONAL UNIT IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE AS AN ISSUE.
I TOO AM A RENTER, UH, IN NEIGHBORING ROOSEVELT PARK.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, I THINK GIVEN THE PARKING A AVAILABLE, UH, I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THE MOTION FOR DENIAL.
ALSO, TALK TO CHRIS ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING IN SOME PARKING RESTRICTIONS ON YOUR STREETS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH ROAD OF HOPE, BUT GOOD LUCK.
ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER HENO HSO WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VE OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? NO.
UH, MOTION WOULD'VE FAILED EITHER WAY.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION BY SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
SECOND, COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ HAS MADE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM.
UH, DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT, TO MY LEFT.
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NONE.MOTION IS FOR RECONSIDERATION.
SO NOW THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR AN ALTERNATE MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE.
UH, THERE IS A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.
IS THERE A SECOND? LOOKING LEFT.
COMMISSIONER DUVAL MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.
SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION CONTINUANCE TO WHEN? OH, SORRY.
UH, TO, I DON'T KNOW, TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS, OR, LET'S DO FOUR, FOUR WEEKS.
THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 2ND.
COMMISSIONER ELL, DOES YOUR SECOND REMAIN? CAN I ASK A POINT ORDER? SURE, GO AHEAD.
UH, THE RULE ABOUT, UH, NUMBER OF CONTINUANCES, IF, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT TO COUNCIL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT RULE ONCE YOU HIT YOUR SECOND CONTINUANCE? YES, HE COULD PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WOULD BE CON WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
BUT IT, IT, IT'S NOT THAT IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL, IT'S THAT HE MAY GO TO COUNCIL.
SO, MR. RODRIGUEZ, YOU WILL HAVE THE, IF THIS MOTION SUCCEEDS, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING, FORGET ZONING COMMISSION.
I'M GOING TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A DEEMED RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL IF THIS MOTION PASSES.
BUT NONETHELESS, THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO JUNE 2ND BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
IS, DOES, DOES THE SECOND REMAIN COMMISSIONER? YES.
WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER VE UH, DISCUSSION LEFT.
COMMISSIONER NUN, I JUST WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND MR. RODRIGUEZ, THIS WOULD OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY BE THE LAST CONTINUANCE, BUT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND WE, BOTH SITES NEED TO COME TO SOME AGREEMENT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA LIKE IT, BUT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD AND FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO BEND FOR BOTH OF US.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? RIGHT? YES.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ, UH, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT, UH, HE'S BEEN HERE.
UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT, UH, COMING BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS IS GONNA MAKE A A DIFFERENCE.
I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND SO THAT HE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND LET CITY COUNCIL DECIDE WHAT THEY WANNA DO.
COMMISSIONER HUEY? YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ HAS THE CORRECT, UH, POINT ON THIS.
IF, IF THE OUTCOME ENDS UP BEING THAT THERE'S, UH, A COMPROMISE THAT CAN BE REACHED, I THINK THAT PUTS EVEN THE APPLICANT IN THE BETTER POSITION GOING INTO THE COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, SO I, I'D URGE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION FOR THE CONTINUANCE.
ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION LEFT.
THE MOTION IS FOR CONTINUANCE.
AS TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE TO JUNE 2ND BY COMMISSIONER HINO HINOJOSA WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DUL.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? NO.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.
MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM.
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COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES.THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ.
MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES.
COMMISSIONER VO MAY COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S UP? YES.
ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, UM, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, SO YOU WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL THERE.
HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN CONTINUE TO WORK AND MAYBE FIND A SOLUTION THAT'S MUTUALLY AGREEABLE.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS LOCATED AT 1315 BASSI ROAD GOING FROM C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
THERE WERE 39 NOTICES SENT OUT.
ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET.
NORTH CENTRAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR.
SHER HILLS RIDGEVIEW NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE.
THE EXISTENCE C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AS IT ALLOWS FOR A RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USES THAT MAY BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS ALSO NOT APPROPRIATE AS IT WOULD INTRODUCE AN EVEN BROADER RANGE OF MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES.
THE TRANSITION OF C TWO TO C3 REPRESENTS AN INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL INTENSITY THAT WOULD EXPAND WHAT IS SUITABLE FOR THIS AREA.
STAFF BELIEVES THAT A LOWER INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES IS A MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING DESIGNATION AS IT LIMITS THE RANGE AND INTENSITY OF PERMITTED COMMERCIAL USES WHILE ALLOWING THE USE REQUESTED SIMILAR LIKE COMMERCIAL ZONING EXISTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, INCLUDING A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY GRANTED A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES.
IN NOVEMBER, 2025 AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD ON APRIL 8TH, THE APPLICANT AMENDED THEIR PLAN AMENDMENT REQUEST FROM NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL RATHER THAN THE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ORIGINAL REQUESTED PLANNING COMMISSION.
THEREFORE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THEIR PROPOSED RESULT TO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTOMOTIVE VEHICLE SEALS RATHER THAN THE ORIGINAL C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SUCH AN AMENDMENT THAT STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, MS. ANA, IF YOU WOULD COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR REQUEST.
2 9 9 8 9 SEBASTIAN VERDE, TEXAS 7 8 1 6 3.
UM, SO WE ALREADY HAVE A CAR LOT, UM, CLOSER TO THE SAN PEDRO AREA ON BASSI.
UM, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 11 YEARS NOW AND NOW WE ARE EXPANDING.
WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND UM, WE'VE DECIDED THAT WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND EXPAND OUR BUSINESS THERE.
UM, SO THAT BRINGS ME HERE TODAY.
AND JUST SO I CAN DO THIS REALLY QUICKLY, YOU ARE AMENDING YOUR REQUEST TO C TWO CD FOR AUTO VEHICLE SALES? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE, SO COMMISSIONER KELLUM TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS.
MS. KON, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
I KNOW YOU'RE THE LAST ONE LAST TIME AND AGAIN, SO I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT POPCORN VERY INTO TODAY.
WELL BLAME CHAIR, BLAME FOR THAT
I APPRECIATE YOU AMENDING TO THE C TWO CD.
I THINK THAT'S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.
UM, I WILL LEAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS TO, TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND THEN MAKE A MOTION.
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SEEING NONE.COMMISSIONER KELLUM TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION.
MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ.
AGAIN, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS AMENDED BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ.
PROBABLY COULD HAVE HEARD YOU EARLIER.
[Approval of Minutes ]
AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, AMENDMENTS, EDITS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO THE, TO THE MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING.
IS THE FLOORS OPEN FOR A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER DUBEL WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED.
TWO ABSTENTIONS BY COMMISSIONERS LO AND HUEY.
IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NO.
IN THAT CASE, THE TIME IS 4 31.
THIS MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED AND.