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EVERYONE.TIME IS NOW 3, 3 0 3 ON, UH, WEDNESDAY, MAY 6TH, 2026.
THIS IS THIRD DESIGN REVIEW, COMMISSION MEETING.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? IN SINO? HERE.
AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS, FOR PROPERTIES AND STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR AN A PROJECT ON TODAY'S AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS A CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TIME.
THE TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TOWN OF SPEAKERS.
CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE ATTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE AS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, WE HAVE A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, THIS IS PRESERVATION MONTH.
SO WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF, UM, FREE AND LOW COST EVENTS, UH, ABOUT ALL ABOUT PRESERVATION IN SAN ANTONIO.
UM, UPCOMING ON THE CALENDAR, IF YOU WANNA CHECK OUT SA SPEAKUP.COM/UM, PRESERVATION MONTH, UM, IS MAY 16TH.
WE HAVE A WOOD WINDOW REPAIR, UH, INTERACTIVE STUDIO AT VILLA FINALE, UM, THAT IS IN THE MORNING.
AND THEN THAT SAME EVENING ON MAY 16TH, UM, WE HAVE PICNIC IN A MOVIE IN THE EAST SIDE CEMETERIES.
WE'LL BE PLAYING JUMANJI AND THAT'S A FREE FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT.
UM, AND THEN MAY 21ST, UH, WE HAVE A VIRTUAL COURSE, HOW TO BECOME A CITIZEN HISTORIAN, WHICH IS ALL ABOUT HISTORIC PROPERTY RESEARCH.
UM, THAT'LL BE TAUGHT BY O HB STAFF.
AND THEN ALSO LATER THAT NIGHT, WE HAVE PRESERVATION TRIVIA AT COOL CREST, WHICH IS A FREE FUN EVENT AND A COMPETITION.
UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PARTNER EVENTS ALSO ON THE WEBSITE IF YOU WANNA CHECK THOSE OUT.
THERE'S LINKS AND REGISTRATION DETAILS, UH, AGAIN AT SA SPEAKUP.COM/RESERVATION MONTH.
UM, AND THEN NOT QUITE RELATED, BUT ALSO IN THE MONTH OF MAY ON SATURDAY, UM, THE NINTH, WHICH IS THE SATURDAY, UM, WE WILL HAVE A, UH, PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE RIVERWALK STRATEGIC PLAN.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE AT 10:00 AM AT THE CENTRAL LIBRARY.
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, IN-PERSON MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE, FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT OHB HAS BEEN LEADING.
AND SO WE INVITE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE.
UM, IF YOU TOOK THE SURVEY EARLIER IN THE YEAR, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO ATTEND THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE WELCOME ALL INPUT ON THE EARLY STAGES OF THE PLAN.
UM, AND WITH THAT, WE CAN DO ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 15TH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UH, APRIL 15TH, 2026 HT RC MEETING MINUTES SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE.
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CARRIES.[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
POINT WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.UM, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE ZOOM IN A LITTLE TODAY.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE NINE ITEMS ON THE, ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, NO ITEMS HAVE BEEN PULLED AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THOSE ITEMS. THANK YOU.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS? I SHOULD PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ANY OTHERS? UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
MR. CHAIR, BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION PLEASE, SIR.
TO APPROVE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ONE THROUGH NINE, LESS ITEM THREE AND ITEM SEVEN WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? S AYE, VELASQUEZ AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 25 WILKINS THREE 18 PERADA 600 NORTH PRESA 1901 WEST ATCH FIVE 10 DIVINE, THREE 70 EAST ATCH IN 1300 NORTH MAIN.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
UH, AND NOW I COMMISSIONERS, I'LL PULL UP ITEM NUMBER 3, 16 11 BROADWAY.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
LORENA GOMEZ EZ WITH K, P AND J.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING SOME COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, SENT BACK AND FORTH, UH, DRC AND ALL THAT.
UM, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SIGHTING OF THE TWO.
WHAT ARE GENERALLY I SEE AS UTILITARIAN BUILDINGS ON MAINE, THOROUGHFARES ON BROADWAY, AND ON NEWELL.
AND, UH, COULD YOU HELP TO EXPLAIN, UH, HOW THAT MEETS THE UDC GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF, UH, THE PLACEMENT OF A BUILDING ON A SITE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE BLOCK, AS WELL AS HOW THE STRUCTURE WILL SUPPORT THE BROADER DESIGN GOALS FOR THE AREA? YEAH.
WELL, THESE ARE PLACED, UM, TO HAVE THESE, UM, THESE SEASONAL FESTIVITIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, AND TO BE ABLE TO BE CONNECTED TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALSO COMING FROM BROADWAY.
UM, THESE, UM, THE BUILDING, THE RESTROOM BUILDING NEEDS TO BE SITUATED BY THE CPS, UM, POLE THAT'S BRINGING, THAT'S COMING UP FROM BROADWAY.
UM, WE HAVE A DRESS, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A UTILITARIAN BUILDING.
UM, A MURAL THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, IN THE DIRECTION OF BROADWAY, UM, WITH SOME DECORATIVE LIGHT FIXTURES.
AND IT'S ALL, UM, IT, IT'S ALL VENEERED, SO IT REALLY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A, A, UM, UTILITARIAN BUILDING.
AND SAME AS THE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, WE'VE ADDED A, A TRELLIS THAT WILL, UM, IN THE FUTURE, UM, BE ABLE TO BE COVERED WITH SOME IV AND IT'S ALSO COMPLETELY VENEERED.
UM, BUT WITH THE ASPECT OF HOW THAT'S SITUATED ON SITE, WE, WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE IT ON ANOTHER LOCATION, JUST OF THE POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTIONS THAT WE MIGHT DO WITH THE OTHER LOTS.
UM, AND HOW THIS WILL CONNECT TO THE MIDDLE AREA OF THE, UM, OF THE, OF THE ACTIVITIES? YES.
IT'S, IT'S HARD TO CONSIDER THESE WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THE, THE LONG TERM MASTER PLAN.
UH, I KNOW IN THE INTERIM, Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE SEASONAL ACTIVITIES IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT.
UH, BUT NOT KNOWING WHAT THE, UH, THE LONG TERM, UH, DEVELOPMENT
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IS, IS INTENDED TO BE.IT'S HARD TO, UH, EVALUATE WHETHER THERE, UH, INAPPROPRIATE LOCATIONS.
AND, I MEAN, LOOKING AT BUILDING ONE, THERE'S A, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN AN ENCLOSURE, THERE'S A DUMPSTER AT THE CORNER OF NEWELL AND AVENUE B.
AND, AND THAT ONE'S COMPLETELY, IT'S GONNA BE COVERED BY A CMU WALL THAT WE'RE GONNA, ACTUALLY, ONE OF MY REVISIONS, IT'S TWO, WE'RE GONNA COMPLETELY STUCCO OVER IT.
UM, AND REALLY THAT'S REALLY THE BEST LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO SITUATE IT, OF THE AXIS OF THE DUMPSTER DRIVE.
UM, OF COURSE WE DON'T WANT IT ON BROADWAY OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BEST ACCESS FOR IT.
UM, WE ARE TRYING TO ENCLOSE IT SAME AS THE OTHER TWO.
UM, THE GENERATOR AND THE TRANSFORMER.
WE'RE ENCLOSING IT WITH SOME, UM, HORIZONTAL STANDARD PLANKS THAT WILL BE ON STEEL POSTS, UM, NEXT TO THESE BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE COMPLETELY VENEERED.
AND WE'VE ADDED SOME ARTICULATION TO SOME, SOME OF THE VENEERS.
SO IT'S JUST NOT A PLAIN BLANK WALL, UM, AS A TYPICAL UTILITARIAN BUILDING, BUT THAT'S WHY THE DUMPSTER IS PLACED IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN, UH, I DID SEE THAT YOU ADJUSTED THE, UH, RESTROOM EXHAUST FAN MM-HMM
FROM THE EAST FACADE TO THE, UH, NORTH FACADE, BUT IT'S IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS STILL FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
AND WONDERING IF THAT EXHAUST FAN COULDN'T BE MOVED FURTHER WEST ON THAT BUILDING? UH, JUST FOR THE SMELLS AND THE NOISE OF A, OF A RESTROOM EXHAUST FAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY SHIP THAT AGAINST THE, THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UM, SHIP THAT.
MY QUESTION IS, UM, FOR THE CLIENT, BUT IT MAY BE A NAIVE QUESTION, BUT SINCE THIS IS A HIGHLY DESIRABLE LOT IN THE RIO TWO AND THE RIO TWO, UM, UH, FOCUSES ON HIGH DENSITY, IT'S MEANT FOR HOUSING, MEANT FOR OFFICE SPACE, FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, UM, DID YOU GUYS LOOK AT TEMPORARY STRUCTURES IN LIEU OF THESE PERMANENT STRUCTURES? NO.
NO, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HOUSE ELECTRICAL AND, AND ALL THESE, WE, WE DIDN'T LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING, UM, FLEX BUILDINGS.
UM, HE, HE WANTS SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NICER IF IT'S A PERMANENT STRUCTURE WITH THE VENEER THAN HAVING THESE, UM, FLEX BUILDINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE AS DESIRABLE, EVEN IF THEY CAN MOVE LATER ON.
YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS A LONGER, UM, PLAN IN THAT AND LONG TERM PLAN.
THERE'S A SHORT TERM PLAN, UM, TO BRING IN SO THAT THE LOT, AND THIS PROPERTY IS AVAILABLE FOR THE INTENDED PURPOSE, AND THAT IS TO, UM, INFILL ALONG BROADWAY AND TO COMPLETE THE RIO.
AND, AND THAT IS WHAT IS NOW, UM, KIND OF, IT HAS LIKE THESE FLEXIBLE STRUCTURES AND DEPENDING ON THE USE, UM, BUT IT WASN'T WORKING TO BE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE ACTIVITIES.
LIKE A PUMPKIN PATCH AND IT'S JUST, THERE'S NO RESTROOMS. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S PROVIDING SOME BETTER AMENITIES FOR THIS SEASONAL, UM, AREA.
AND DID YOU ALSO INCLUDE INFORMATION ON YOUR FENCING IN THIS PACKAGE? YES.
SO, UM, WHERE THAT GOES AND WHAT THAT IS, UM, I'M, ARE THEY SEEING THIS ONE? SO YEAH, THOSE, UM, GO FURTHER BACK.
IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN SHEETS, SO YEAH.
AND THESE HAVEN'T BEEN ISSUED JUST 'CAUSE WE WERE WAITING ON, UM, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T SENT THEM OUT YET.
UM, WE'RE STILL REVISING THIS A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE JUST GRAPHICALLY THE DRAWINGS.
UM, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY, UM, THE DETAILS.
AND THEN WE'RE ADDING DIMENSIONS ON THE FLOOR PLAN AND STUFF.
THESE ARE, THESE ARE IN RESPONSE TO
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PREVIOUS COMMENTS, DRC AND UPDATES BASED ON, UH, FEEDBACK FROM COMMISSIONERS.SO THEY WERE SENT AFTER I GOT SOME MORE COMMENTS YESTERDAY AND I, WE WERE WAITING TO ISSUE ANYTHING BEFORE GETTING MORE STIPULATIONS.
SO WE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THEM AND JUST BEEN ADDING THEM TO THE PLANS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO GO IN ORDER.
UM, ARE WE STILL IN QUESTIONS OR JUST, 'CAUSE THIS WAS ON CONSENT AND IT WAS PULLED, SO I WASN'T SURE.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH YOUR QUESTION.
LEMME SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHERS.
UM, I, I'M, UM, WONDERING IF, UM, THE REASON WHY THESE USES ARE ON BROADWAY HAVE, AND, AND NOT ON THE ALLEY SIDE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT THE ALLEY SIDE IS ACTUALLY THE SMALLER DIMENSION OF THE LOT.
IT, IS IT A UTILITY SEWER LINE? IT'S ALL THAT PROXIMITY.
SO THE SEWER'S ON BROADWAY, WELL, THE ELECTRICITY, SO WHERE'S THE SEWER? THE SEWER, LEMME CHECK CIVIL.
UM, ACTUALLY I HAVE THEM RIGHT HERE.
SEWER AND WOULD SAY ACCESS TO, UM, TO WATER.
WELL, BUT I, I THINK THAT, THAT EVEN THAT EVEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT AN ANSWER IS THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT MM-HMM
IT, IT'S NOT THERE BECAUSE OF THE SEWER, RIGHT? YES.
IT, IT, IT WAS, UM, WELL, MOST OF IT, IT STARTED EVEN PRIOR TO THE UTILITIES AND JUST THE WAY THAT, UM, THE OWNER WANTED THE, THE, THE CONFIGURATION, THE CONFI CONFIGURATION, BUT THEN THE CPS POLE AND THE TRANSFORMER KIND OF LOCKED, UM, THAT LOCATION, WE COULDN'T SHIFT IT FURTHER FROM THERE.
BECAUSE I, I JUST, UH, WELL, I'LL WAIT TILL THE MOTION SO I CAN ADDRESS THE BOARD.
OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, COMMISSIONER VESO? YES.
UH, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR LIGHTING? SO WE HAVE, UM, DECORATIVE LIGHT FIXTURES ON THE, THE BUILDING.
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO MEP, UM, THE NEW SET THAT, YEAH, SO, SO WE HAVE, UM, DECORATIVE, UM, SCONCES ALL AROUND THE BUILDING THAT WE CHANGED FROM HAVING THEM WALL PACKED.
SO NOW THEY'RE, UM, NICE DECORATIVE FIXTURES AND THEN THE, UM, LIGHT POLES THAT THE MEP HAS ON THOSE DRAWINGS.
AND DURING THE DAY, DO YOU HAVE TREES OR ANYTHING AROUND THERE? I COULDN'T TELL.
UM, DURING THE DAY, I'M SORRY.
DURING THE DAY DU DURING THE DAY? UM, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, LIGHTS FOR IT DURING THE DAY.
I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY TREES.
I COULDN'T TELL IF THERE WAS ANY TREES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD, SO WE DO HAVE, SO IF YOU GO TO THE LANDSCAPE, UM, WE HAVE, UM, YEAH, IF YOU GO TO L IT'LL BE SHEET LL ONE.
UM, THOSE ARE THE TREES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT WILL BE PLANTED.
UM, THOSE WERE THE ONES REQUIRED BY CODE.
AND THE UDC, UM, I, I CONFIRMED THAT WITH THE, WITH THE LANDSCAPE.
'CAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE A MORE DETAILED LANDSCAPE, BUT THAT IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, THAT'S WHAT REQUIRED BY CODE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE CURRENTLY GONNA BE IN PLACE.
ON THE, UH, ELECTRICAL SERVICE THAT YOU'RE GETTING FROM THE EAST SIDE OF BROADWAY MM-HMM
UH, CPS IS PROPOSING TO SET A NEW POLE.
AND THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS, NOT THAT YOU HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF COULD LOOK INTO THIS, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF BROADWAY.
AND HAS THIS POLL LOCATION BEEN COORDINATED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I CAN CHECK WITH, UM, I, I JUST KNOW THERE WAS AN EXTENSIVE, LIKE, TWO MONTHS COORDINATION WITH CPS AND THE MEP.
AND THAT'S WHERE THEY, HE SAID THAT, UM, THE LOCATION WAS GONNA, THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, SO I CAN DOUBLE CHECK.
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BUT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD'VE JURISDICTION OF THAT, OR CPS PUTS IT WHEREVER THEY WANT TO PUT IT.WE HAVE, WE COORDINATE WITH CPS.
WE, CPS SENDS US THEIR POLL LOCATIONS WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE RIO, MORE OR LESS AS AN FYI, UM, THERE ARE CASES TO WHERE WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THEM ON FOUR OR FIVE FEET SO THAT A POLE ISN'T PLACED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UH, BUT AS FAR AS, DON'T PUT A POLE HERE, PUT IT 50 OR 70 FEET AWAY, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE PURVIEW.
UM, IT'S MORE OF A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WHERE, UH, THEY HEAR OUR CONCERNS AND IF THEY CAN ADDRESS THOSE, THEY WILL.
I ENCOURAGE STAFF TO, UH, FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
AND, AND THERE WAS A LOT BACK AND FORTH.
WE WANTED TO HEIGHT THE TRANSFORMER EVEN MORE, BUT IT WAS JUST, UM, NO LEEWAY WITH, WITH THEM ON REGARDS TO THAT.
WELL, WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, IF IT, IT MIGHT BE, UH, WORTH IT TO, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND I, UM, BELIEVE COMMISSIONER GRU HAD A MOTION.
UM, DID YOU WANNA PRESENT YOUR MOTION NOW, MA'AM? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SECOND, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION.
SO, UM, ACCORDING TO THE UVC AND THE GUIDELINES ON THE COMMENTS, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS AS THE PROJECT PRESENTED TODAY.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE SOME FURTHER DEVELOPMENT MAYBE, BUT FOR NOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US TODAY.
WE'VE TRIED TO DO, WE'VE APPROVED SEVERAL PROJECTS THERE.
THESE ARE SMALL UTURN BUILDINGS.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A PROJECT THAT INTERACTS WITH BROADWAY.
NOTHING FROM THE PEARL HAS ACTUALLY BEEN INTERACTED WITH BROADWAY.
IT'S ALL BACKSIDE OF BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY IN NEW TOO.
WE HAVE A HUGE, I MEAN, ALL PARKING FACES NEW, ALL BACKSIDE OF BUILDINGS, FACES NEW.
THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE THIS CORNER A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THINK.
UM, I JUST, WE, I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AS ITSELF AND NOT RELATED TO WHAT OTHER PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE OR WAS IN THE PAST.
UM, I KNOW IT'S A PROMINENT CORNER, BUT ALSO THERE'S A LOT OF THESE CORNERS HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET.
UM, WHETHER FOR HOUSING OR NOT, THE PRO IS DOING THE SAME THING.
THEY'RE ALSO DOING A BIG MINI GOLF RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
I MEAN, LIKE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO PUT THAT ON THE APPLICANT OF THE CASE THAT WERE PRESENTED TODAY.
SO THIS IS THE REASON FOR MY MOTION.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIR, UH, UH, TO ADDRESS THE, THE, THE, THE COMMISSION AND ALSO TO COMMISSIONER FETZER.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT I LOOKED AT, UH, COMMISSIONER FETZER ON THIS SITE IS THAT THERE'S THAT MEDICAL BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING, SOME, I I THINK, SOME, UM, STRENGTH IN THIS, WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED MAYBE EVEN A CONFORMING, UH, UH, LINE OF, OF FRONTAGE OF BUILDINGS.
BUT I DO, UH, I DO, UH, AGREE BECAUSE I I WITH YOU THAT, UH, PERHAPS, UH, ELECTRICAL CAN FIND ITS WAY WHEREVER IT'S GOTTA GO, PARTICULARLY IF IT CAN BE UNDERGROUND.
UH, IT SEEMS THAT THE, THAT, THAT THE MORE IMPORTANT, UH, THING WOULD BE WHERE THE SEWER IS LOCATED, WHICH WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SEWER IS.
UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL LIKE I WANNA SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE SITE AS A WHOLE, I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THIS HEAT SINK SITUATION.
THAT, THAT, THAT IT, THAT CLEARLY THE, THAT TRU THAT THE TRUE, THE, THE, THE, THE LACK OF TREES WITHIN THE, IN INTERIOR OF THIS SITE, UM, LESSENS THE, THE, UM, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE, THAT, THAT THE SITE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AN ENHANCEMENT LIKE THIS.
I I THINK THAT WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT IS THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION HERE, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME VISUAL APPLICATION, UM, AND IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO GET TO A PLACE THAT, NOT SO MUCH WHEN IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE, BUT WHEN IT'S JUST SITTING THERE, I, I, I WANNA BE SENSITIVE TO THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE A SKATING RINK AND LEAVES ARE GONNA FALL AND THEY'RE GONNA FALL IN YOUR SKATING RINK AND ALL THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT JUST CHALLENGES THE LOCATION, THE LANDSCAPE QUALITY OF WHERE YOU ALLOW AT LEAST THIS PLACE TO BEGIN TO LOOK LIKE IT'S A PLACE AS OPPOSED TO AN EMPTY LOT.
UM, SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, THAT ARE, ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAT JUST WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE DESIRE OF THE, OF
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THE OWNER IS, BECAUSE IF IT WAS A SIMPLE, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES REVIEW THAT, THAT'S THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.BUT WHEN IT COMES HERE, I THINK IT HAS TO ADAPT TO, TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK IT COULD EASILY ADAPT TO.
AND, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THAT IF, IF THE CONSIDERATION IS A SEWER CONSIDERATION, I COULD SEE, UM, THE RESTROOM LOCATION.
BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S ELECTRICAL, I WOULD THINK THAT PERHAPS THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, AN EASIER WAY TO TO TO, TO GET, UH, THE, UM, THE ELECTRICITY TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GET.
AND, BUT I'M NOT, BUT I'M AWARE THAT COPPER AND ALUMINUM ARE VERY EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS.
SO I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, I DID SEE ON THE CIVIL PLAN THAT, UH, SEWER LOCATION IS COMING OFF OF BROADWAY.
UM, I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, I CAN SEE THE, THE UTILITY CONSTRAINTS FOR THE RESTROOM BUILDING.
AND THERE IS, UH, LIKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID, THERE IS AN ADJACENT STRUCTURE ON BROADWAY THAT IT, UH, RELATES SOMEWHAT TO, UH, THE OTHER BUILDING, UM, WITH THE DUMPSTER AND TRANSFORMER, I MEAN, UH, GENERATOR.
UM, I SEE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES ON THE SITE SUCH AS ALONG AVENUE B, UH, THE ALLEYWAY.
UH, THERE'S STILL ACCESS FROM THAT CORNER OF, UH, AVENUE B AND, UH, NEWELL TO THE DUMPSTER.
UM, BUT, UM, I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UM, I'LL OFFER OTHER COMMISSIONERS ANY, UM, COMMENTS? UM, I'LL START OFF WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER GDA.
ANY COMMENTS, SIR? NO COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
UM, MY ONLY COMMENT IS I PROBABLY WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS, BUT IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE OF TREE LACK OF TREES AND, UM, THE HEAT GENERATING POSSIBILITIES FOR THAT BIG SLAB OF CEMENT.
COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINA NAY.
FETZER, NAY AND GIBBS? AYE IS A SPLIT VOTE.
A MAY I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE.
MR. CHAIR, SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
WHAT WOULD THE REASONING WOULD BE FOR FULL DENIAL FOR THIS? WELL, ABSOLUTELY, COMMISSIONER ESPINO.
UM, FRANKLY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT CONFORMS TO THE UDC FOR RIO NUMBER TWO IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
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THIS COULD CONFORM TO IT IF IT WERE CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY, IF THE BUILDINGS WERE DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY, IF THE SITE WAS APPROACHED DIFFERENTLY.BUT, UM, BARRING THAT I COULD NOT SUPPORT, UH, I CAN'T SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS, SIR? I, I WAS, WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT, UM, WELL, I'M ASKING FOR COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
UH, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE CLEAREST OPPORTUNITIES TO, UM, LOOK AT IT AS A FINISHED PRO PROJECT, IN WHICH CASE IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE DESIGN TO ADDRESS THE, THE CONSIDERATIONS HERE.
SO NOT SO MUCH ABOUT, WELL, WHAT, WHAT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHAT IT'S DOING NOW, JUST IMAGINING THAT IT STAYS THE WAY THAT IT IS FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY.
ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE CLEARLY ONLY INTENDED TO MAXIMIZE A PARTICULAR OBJECTIVE, UM, ARE NOT COMPROMISING WITH, UH, WHAT THIS, THIS LARGE, OPEN PIECE OF PROPERTY REALLY, REALLY WOULD REQUIRE IF IT WAS A HOUSE, IT'D HAVE TO ADHERE TO ITS LANDSCAPE.
AND, AND THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATION HAS THE SAME, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE SURROUND, BUT ACTUALLY THE LANDSCAPE OF THE ENVIRONMENT THERE THAT, UH, THAT MAKES IT NOT JUST LOOK LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE AND, AND, AND, AND, AND BEING ABLE AND, AND WILLING TO SACRIFICE THAT, THAT IT JUST BECOMES THIS HEAT SINK.
CAN I RESPOND AT ALL, OR, UM, I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY, MA'AM.
OH, UM, IF I MAY, SO, UM, YES, THIS IS A SMALLER PROJECT FOR THE, FOR THE AREA, BUT IT'S WHAT IT IS NOW.
SO IT'S IMPROVING WHAT CURRENTLY IS.
WE ARE ADDING TREES AND SOME BUILDINGS FOR THE PEOPLE.
IF THIS ISN'T DONE, THEN IT'LL STAY WHAT IT IS NOW.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, IDEALLY THIS, THESE AREN'T HUGE STRUCTURES OF SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA STAY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
IT'S SOMETHING SMALLER, UM, TO GET TO THAT STAGE OF SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY IT CAN'T BE DONE RIGHT NOW.
UM, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.
SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING PLANNED FOR WHAT IT, THE POTENTIAL IT HAS NOW FOR, FOR THE OWNER.
AND, UM, OF COURSE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR HANDS.
BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY THIS IS, UM, EVEN AS AN ARCHITECT, OF COURSE, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THIS AWESOME BUILDING THERE.
BUT WITH WHAT WE HAVE, I THINK IT'S BETTER HAVING SOME EXTRA TREES AND SOME EXTRA, UM, BUILDINGS FOR WHAT CURRENTLY IS RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND IT'LL BE USED MORE THAN SITTING VACANT FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
UM, BUT I AGREE THAT IT, IT WOULD BE IN A FUTURE.
IT'S, IT'S AN AMAZING SITE THAT HAS POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE TO BE SOMETHING MORE.
SO THAT'S WHY THESE SMALL BUILDINGS ARE SOMETHING THAT WON'T BE THERE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT.
UM, YOU HAVE SOMETHING, SIR, MR. CHAIR? YES.
WOULD YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR, THE ITEM WAS NEITHER.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE A MOTION, MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT IF, UH, BASED ON THE COMMENTS TODAY, SUCH AS THE, UH, LOCATION OF BUILDING ONE, UH, RATHER THAN ON THE PROMINENT STREET, ON THE ALLEY SIDE, UH, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, UH, FROM WHAT I HEAR, THOSE ARE SOME BIG CONCERNS FROM THE COMMISSION TODAY.
UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO BACK TO YOUR OWNER, DISCUSS THOSE POSSIBLE OPTIONS, AND MAYBE MEET WITH US IN ANOTHER DRC? UNFORTUNATELY, I DID DISCUSS THIS WITH HIM PRIOR TO THIS.
UM, HE DOES WANT TO STAY WITH THIS LAYOUT.
UM, THERE IS PLAN OF DOING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE RIGHT NOW.
HE WANTS TO SHOW WHAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE, UM, WHICH IS SHOWING THAT.
AND, UM, AFTER LOOKING AT THE COST OF BUILDINGS ELSEWHERE AND ELECTRICAL UTILITIES, UM, THERE'S JUST UNFORTUNATELY NO WAY OF MOVING THOSE.
UM, SO I, I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS PRIOR TO TODAY TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME LEEWAY.
AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I MAY JUST IN THE CONTEXT OF, WELL, UM, AND THERE'S A RENDERING, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SAW, WELL,
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ACCORDING TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.SO SINCE WE'RE WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT THERE, WE, WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A MOTION, UM, IF YOU WANNA PROVIDE THAT MOTION FOR US AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH YY.
ALTHOUGH THE MOTION COULD, THAT END MOTION COULD BE THE MOTION.
WELL, I GUESS IT CAN'T, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WAS A TIE.
BUT THE, THE THING THAT, THAT IT STRIKES ME IN THIS CONVERSATION THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, I WOULD, WOULD INFORM A MOTION, BECAUSE IF I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE, THE APPLICANT JUST SAID THAT THE OWNER'S NOT INTERESTED IN CONTINUING.
RIGHT? WE ARE, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THAT.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT I MAKE A MOTION, DIFFERENT MOTION.
WELL, WE'RE, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST NEED A MOTION.
SO, UM, WELL, LET ME MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE AND GIVE THE APPLICANT THE, JUST THAT EXTRA TIME.
AND IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO DO NOTHING, IT'LL JUST DIE.
IS THAT PRODUCTIVE? IT, IT IS BECAUSE SEE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT HASN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'VE PRESENTED A VISION OF SOMETHING AND PERHAPS IN THAT VISION, WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS APPROPRIATE, BUT THERE IS NO, UH, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
SO IF THEY HAVE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS OR THEY HAVE MAIN BUILDINGS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN BINGO, THE GENERATOR MAKES SENSE AND THE RESTROOMS MAKE SENSE, WELL, A CONTINUANCE WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING TUBE AND BRING US THE WHOLE CONTEXT OF WHAT IT IS.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE IN A TIE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING IN TIES, AND IT SEEMS THAT THE PROJECT WOULD DIE.
SO THE REAL OPPORTUNITY HERE IS TO GO BACK TO THE CLIENT, SHAKE THE TREE A LITTLE BIT, IF NOTHING COMES DOWN, WELL, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE UP AGAINST.
SO, UM, PLACE THAT IN FORM OF A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF IT HAS A SECOND.
SO, MR. CHAIR, TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING, UH, FOR US TO CONSIDER, UH, A MOTION, WOULD THAT BE THE NEXT EARLIEST POSSIBLE? YES, SIR.
THE NEXT EARLIEST POSSIBLE MEETING.
SO, SO OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE 14 DAYS FROM NOW.
SO SIR, 14 DAYS FROM NOW ON 20TH? YEAH, I'LL JUST CLARIFY.
AND WE WILL NEED ACTION ON MAY 20TH, UH, TO REMAIN WITHIN OUR UDC TIMERS.
UM, BUT MA, MA'AM? OH, I'M SO SORRY.
UM, SO, UM, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THAT'S IN YOUR MOTION? SO, UM, BE YES, SIR.
CONTINUED UNTIL THE CONTINUE, UNTIL THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.
14 DAYS FROM NOW ON THE 20, UH, 20TH OF MAY.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR? COMMISSIONER FETZER? NO.
UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, WELL, MAYBE YOU CAN GO DOWN THE LINE.
COMMISSIONER FETZER, YOU SAID MOST OF THIS COMMISSION WAS NOT IN AGREEMENT AND, UH, SINCE WE HAD TWO SPLITS VOTES, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT COMMENT.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE HALF OF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT.
THIS IS, I, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PROJECT, IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING SIMPLE OR WHAT'S THE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE ASKING THE OWNER TO CREATE A HUGE PROJECT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TODAY.
UM, IF LANDSCAPING IS REALLY AN ISSUE, THEN LET'S ADD A STIPULATION OF INCREASED LANDSCAPE, MORE TREES.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A CONCRETE LOT, THE SAME THING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING ACROSS THE STREET.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING POND, WHICH IS ALSO CONCRETE LOT.
I MEAN, THE CHANCES ARE WE COULD ACTUALLY GET, SO WHY HAVE WE APPROVED CONCRETE PARKING LOTS ACROSS THE STREET AND, AND THEN AND ACROSS THE ALLEY AND THE APPLICANT HAS JUSTIFIED WHY.
AND A LITTLE BIT FURTHER UP, WE HAVE A HUGE ANTENNA AND A GOOGLE UTILITY, SOMETHING THAT HAS A PLASTIC FENCE AROUND IT.
WE WERE NEVER EVEN, YOU KNOW, PICKY ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE, UH, EXITS AND ENTRANCES FOR GARAGES.
AT LEAST THEY'RE PUTTING LANDSCAPE ON MULE, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ON MULE, CONTINUOUSLY DOWN, NOR ON BROADWAY.
UH, SO I MEAN, LIKE, I JUST, I, I'M FINE WITH THE MOTION AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF TIME FOR THE APPLICANT.
WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN THIS SAME ROAD.
IF THE APPLICANT IS TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT, THEN, I MEAN, LIKE I LANDSCAPING, IF SOMEBODY AGREE WITH LIKE, LET'S ADD STIPULATIONS OR SOMETHING.
SO COMMISSIONER GROUP, UM, I, I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT YOU'RE FINE WITH THE MOTION, BUT IF WE, YOU KNOW, ADD ANY STIPULATIONS TO WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO, A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UM, FOR THE MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR, I'LL MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER? I'M MOVED FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION FOR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, INCLUDING TREES, UH, AND RELOCATION OF BUILDING ONE TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE AGAINST THE ALLEY.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
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UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, GROUP.OKAY, SO THE WHOLE REASON WHY IT'S THERE, IT'S BECAUSE OF UTILITIES.
SO YOU'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THE PROJECT? WELL, THE BUILDING ONE IS THE ONE ON NEWELL.
AND IT IS SERVED, THE POWER IS COMING FROM THE GENERATOR, WHICH IS ON BROADWAY.
I MEAN THE TRANSFORMER THAT'S ON BROADWAY.
UH, IF THE BUILDING IS MOVED TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IT MAY JUST BE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANY LONGER, THE SERVICE LINE FROM THE TRANSFORMER GOING TO THE SOUTH IS GOING TO THE WEST.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE IS A UTILITY ISSUE BY MOVING THE BUILDING ONE TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS NOT OUR DUTY TO EVEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE OF THAT.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT, WE HAVE TO BELIEVE WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING.
AND THE APPLICANT SAID IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE IN THE FIRST MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS IN TERMS OF BUILDING TWO, WHICH IS THE RESTROOM AND THE TRANSFORMER, YES.
BUT BOTH HAVE BEEN PLACED MA'AM, PER UTILITIES.
YES, AND THE REASON, AND THE REASON, THE REASON I PROPOSE TO RELOCATE THIS BUILDING, THIS SERVICE BUILDING TO THE WEST PROPERTY LINE OFF OF AN ALLEY IS TO, UH, BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE UDC AND HOW, UH, LOCATION OF, UH, STRUCTURES ON THE SITES IS, UH, UH, PHRASED.
AND THIS IS A UTILITY BUILDING AND I THINK OFF OF A UTILITY, UH, ALLEY IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN BEING ON A NEW AVENUE.
I UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP OF BUILDING TWO, THE RESTROOM AND THE TRANSFORMER, UH, OFF OF BROADWAY.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE SERVICE IS COMING FROM.
BUT I BELIEVE, UH, BUILDING ONE COULD BE RELOCATED TO THE WEST AND NOT IMPACT THE, THE, UH, UTILITIES.
COMMISSIONER GU, UM, I MEAN, AT LEAST THERE'S A MOTION THAT MOVES SOMETHING, UH, TO STAFF JUST REAL QUICK.
SO WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO BUILD BUILDING TWO WITHOUT BUILDING BUILDING ONE? LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WITH THIS MOTION, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO AT LEAST START DEVELOPING THAT PART? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, I GUESS IF THEY PULL TWO DIFFERENT BUILDING PERMITS, THEY MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO, I THINK IT WAS STAFF CONSTRUC BUILDING TWO, BUILDING ONE.
UM, WELL, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT.
TYPICALLY, UM, STAFF TRIES TO WORK WITH AN APPLICANT TO SEE WITHIN THE APPROVAL WHAT THEY CAN'T GET A PERMIT FOR.
UH, BUT A LOT OF THE TIMES IT'S PROACTIVE TO HAVE ALL THE STIPULATIONS MET PRIOR TO STAFF ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, SO SOMETIMES YOU SEE IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, EXCUSE ME, YOU'LL SEE IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE WE'LL HAVE A STIPULATION THAT SAYS THE APPLICANT MUST PROVIDE THIS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UM, SO, UM, IF THE COMMISSION SAW FIT, YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION THAT THIS INFORMATION BE PROVIDED PRIOR TO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, OR YOU CAN INCLUDE IN THE MOTION FOR STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ISSUE PERMITS WHEN APPROPRIATE FOR BUILDING NUMBER TWO FOR SITE WORK, ET CETERA.
UH, NOW SOME OF THAT SITE WORK'S PROBABLY GONNA BE TIED TO THE SPECIFIC LOCATION OF BUILDING ONE, BUT I THINK YOU COULD CRAFT AN MOTION AND TELL STAFF WHAT YOU FIND TO BE APPROPRIATE.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD, SIR.
IF I MAY, UH, UH, ACCESSORY TO THAT, THAT IT WOULD ASK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION IF HE WOULD ADD SPECIFICITY TO THE LANDSCAPE THAT, THAT THE TREES BE A 30% INCREASE AT THE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.
THAT I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT WOULD LIMIT THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE TOO MUCH AND PUT TOO MUCH OF A RESTRICTION ON THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
I THINK THERE ARE, UH, OTHER WAYS TO INCREASE THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, WHICH LEAVES THE INTERIOR FREE FOR, UH, THE OWNER, UH, TO DEVELOP OR PROPOSE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT I THINK, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR ACTIVITIES ARE, UH, THEY MAY COME IN WITH SHADE STRUCTURES OR UMBRELLAS OR WHATEVER TO PROVIDE SHADE, WHICH IS, UH, HOPEFULLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE.
BUT I THINK, UH, ALONG BROADWAY AND,
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UH, NEWELL AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, I THINK, UH, LANDSCAPING ADDITIONAL TREES, UH, WOULD BE, UH, WHAT I'M CONSIDERING IN MY MOTION.MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE MOTION AS IT'S CURRENTLY WORDED, ALLOWS AMPLE TIME IN THAT CONTINUANCE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF DISCUSSION INTO DETAILS ON HOW TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN RATHER THAN DO IT HERE.
SO YOU COULD REQUEST A DRC IN ORDER TO GATHER EVERYBODY TO HAVE TO FURTHER THIS DISCUSSION.
MR. CHAIR, CAN I TALK, UM, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE GO INTO A A VOTE.
JUST REALLY QUICK ON, ON THE BUILDING ONE, UM, BEING SITUATED WHERE IT'S AT, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE, UM, IT ALSO HAS CONNECTION TO, UM, THE SEASONAL ICE RINK AND THEN FOR THE POTENTIAL DEALS THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER OWNERS.
I KNOW THAT'S POTENTIAL, BUT UM, THAT JUST KILLS OFF THAT CONNECTION THAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE LOTS IN FRONT OF IT, THAT WOULD CREATE MORE, UM, MORE DEVELOPMENT.
I, I SHOWED YOU A FEW CONCEPTS LAST TIME.
I KNOW IT'S ALL CONCEPTS, BUT THAT WOULD COMPLETELY KILL THAT POTENTIAL.
UM, AND UH, LASTLY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE HALF AND HALF, UM, BUT THE OWNER SAID IF, IF THIS, I THINK HE WOULD BE ACCOMMODATING TO THE LANDSCAPE.
UM, BEING ON THE PERIMETER IS THE SAME AS WE SHOWED THE, THE RENDERING.
'CAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT.
IT WAS JUST SHOWING THE BARE MINIMUM PER CODE.
BUT I, I THINK HE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING REGARDING THE BUILDING, HE SAID THEN GO AHEAD AND LIKE THE DENIAL VERSUS KEEP POSTPONING IT.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK HE'LL SHIFT IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE IF WE TRY TO CHANGE THAT LATER ON.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT MA'AM.
UM, DID YOU WANNA ADD WITH SOMETHING ELSE IF SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTE? UM, MR. CHAIR, I WAS JUST GOING TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENT.
IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS MOTION, IF WE DO HAVE A CONTINUATION, THAT'S FINE.
YOU CAN WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION AND RETURN TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITHOUT A DENIAL.
BUT THE MOTION WE'RE VOTING ON IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO WE'RE VOTING ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? SABINO AYE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO YOU ALWAYS WORK WITH STAFF? UM, UH, WELL, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION PASS.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH.
SO, UM, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON FOR THAT.
SO WE HAVE OUR NEXT, UM, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THE NEXT ONE NOW, SO YOU'RE GOOD.
THE SEVEN? NO, NO, WE'RE GOOD MA'AM.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? YEAH, SO IT'S NOT A DENIAL OR APPROVAL, IT'S A, UM, TILL NEXT TIME? NO, IT, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE MOTION WAS TO RELOCATE BUILDING ONE ALONG THE ALLEY TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING TO INCLUDE TREES.
SO IF THE OWNER SAYS NO, WHICH HE ALREADY TOLD ME IT'S A DENIAL.
NO, WE, WE APPROVED, UM, OUR MOTION HERE.
SO, UM, YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OWNER AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT, UM, WE'RE REQUIRING TO BE DONE, AND THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.
THEN, UM, OHP WILL HELP YOU WITH THE NEXT STEPS THERE.
HE ALREADY TOLD ME HE WOULDN'T MOVE THE BUILDINGS.
YOU, YOU'LL HAVE A FEW OPTIONS FOR RECOURSE AND, AND WE, SO I SAY WORK WITH OHP ON THAT, SO IT'LL BE GOOD TO GO.
UM, WE HAVE APPLICANT GEORGE RAMIREZ HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
HOW YOU DOING, SIR? PLEASE, UM, INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
YES, I'M GEORGE RAMIREZ WITH IMMERSION OUTFITTERS.
QUESTION FOR, UM, FOR YOU, MR. RAMIREZ.
UM, YOU'RE ASKING TO RE YOU'RE REQUESTING A DEMOLITION OF THE BARN ON YOUR PROPERTY, DECONSTRUCTION YOUR DECONSTRUCTION? WELL, TO MAKE IT BASICALLY GO AWAY, YOU WILL NOT BE REBUILDING IT.
WE WILL NOT BE REBUILDING THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY YOU'RE REQUESTING THE DEMOLITION? YES.
SO, UM, OF COURSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT STANDS, THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN FALLING.
UM, IT, IT'S, WE HAD SEVERAL BIDS ON TO REPLACE AND BUILD IT,
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REBUILD IT MM-HMMUM, TECHNICALLY IF WE REBUILT, IT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH USE FOR OUR MINISTRY.
UM, IT IS AGAINST THE FENCE LINE.
AND AGAIN, UM, IT WAS DEEMED ONE OF THE MEDIUM LEVEL BUILDINGS ON THAT PROPERTY.
ALL OF THE HIGH, UH, BUILDINGS.
OF COURSE, THE, THE ORIGINAL HOMESTEAD MAIN HOUSE WE HAVE, UH, AND THE ROOTS ARE, WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF ALL OF THOSE.
WE'VE BEEN AWARDED SOME GRANTS AS WELL MM-HMM
UH, FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR THAT.
BUT THIS BIG BUILDING, UM, WAS ONE THAT, UH, WE SAW THAT, HEY, BECAUSE WE WERE IN HERE I THINK LAST MONTH AND GOT ANOTHER PROJECT TO, UH, DECONSTRUCT, UH, A SMALLER BARN THAT WAS IN FRONT OF IT.
UM, PART OF IT HAD ALREADY FALLEN.
WE WANTED TO DO THIS AS WELL SINCE WE WERE DOING ALL OF THE WORK, BUT, UM, OUR ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REBUILD THAT BUILDING.
AND I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A RECONSTRUCTION COST, RIGHT? 128,000 TO REBUILD IT.
DID YOU ASK YOUR CONTRACTOR TO LOOK AT MERELY, UM, REPAIRING, REPAIRING AND MAKING MODIFICATIONS RATHER THAN A COMPLETE? WE DID.
AND HIS SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO COMPLETELY REBUILD IT BECAUSE THE INSIDE ALL OF THOSE, UM, INSIDE WOOD, ALL OF THE, UM, WHAT DO THEY CALL THE FOUR CORNERS OF IT ARE ROTTED.
THE ONLY PART THAT IS SALVAGEABLE, AND AGAIN, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL DO IS THE, UM, PURINES THAT ARE CEDAR.
WE WILL CONSTRUCT, DECONSTRUCT ABSOLUTELY.
AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS.
A LOT OF THE MATERIAL WE REPURPOSED INSIDE OUR BUILDING FOR THE CEILING, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL ROOF TO THE HOMESTEAD MM-HMM
UM, AND AGAIN, SO, UH, THAT IS OUR PLAN TO DO THAT.
IT'S JUST WITH US HAVING TO REBUILD THAT WHOLE THING.
WE JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, STAFF REFERS TO, IN THE REVIEW A PRESERVATION PLAN FROM 2003.
IS THAT YOUR PROPERTY APPLICANT, MR? NO, THAT WAS A STUDY, UM, DONE BY THE OFFICE.
IS THAT AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE ONLINE OR AS PART OF THE EXPLORER MAP AS A WAY TO LEARN ABOUT THE PROPERTY? UH, NN NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S AVAILABLE FOR, AT THE MOMENT.
IT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEW.
IT WAS FOUND WITHIN OUR FILES.
BECAUSE I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST MAKING THESE DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE, ESPECIALLY THESE, UH, HISTORIC RANCHES AND FARMS WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE LOSING SO MUCH OF THIS.
AND, AND ALONG THAT LINES, WE DID WORK WITH SUEANN PEMBERTON MM-HMM
AND AT THE TIME, SUEANN WAS WORKING WITH A UTSA'S GRAD.
THEY HAD A GRADUATE CLASS COME OUT.
THE
AND WE ACTUALLY HANDED THEM THE ORIGINAL DEED TO PROCURE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THOSE THINGS.
WE'VE TAKEN AS MANY STEPS AS WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HISTORIC, UH, ASPECT OF IT AND HISTORY IS, IS, IS SAVED FOR PEOPLE.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE BOOK IS IN THEIR HISTORY DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AGAIN, AS THESE BUILDINGS BEGIN TO FAIL, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE HASN'T COMPLETELY FAILED, IT'S, IT'S SERVING A PURPOSE BECAUSE IT'S STILL HOUSING VEHICLES.
JUST BECAUSE THAT THING IS LEANING OUR LAST STORM, WE'VE LOST MORE OF THAT ROOF.
WE'VE BRACED IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE, SIR.
UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE.
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ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE.COMMISSIONERS ITEM NUMBER 10, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 1 1 4 7 3 1 NORTH PALMETTO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT 7 31 NORTH PALMETTO LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS LOT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF NORTH PALMETTO AND BURNETT.
ONE STRUCTURE WILL BE ORIENTED TOWARDS BURNETT WHILE THE OTHER WILL BE LO LOCATED, EXCUSE ME, ORIENTED TOWARD NORTH PALMETTO.
UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH Y STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPRO OF APPROVAL FROM OHP STAFF, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UM, INSTEAD OF READING EVERYTHING INTO THE MOTION NOW, UH, IT MAY BE EASIER IF WE READ THESE ONE BY ONE AND THEN I PULL UP THE APPLICANT'S UPDATED DOCUMENTS TO ADDRESS THOSE
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INDIVIDUALLY.UM, INSTEAD OF READING IT NOW AND THEN READING IT LATER.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S HERE IN PERSON, UH, OCTAVIA, IF YOU AND ALEX WANNA COME UP, UH, AND COMMISSIONERS, WHAT I'LL DO IS I WILL PULL UP, UM, A COMBINED UPDATED FILE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, AND THEN WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE ONE BY ONE.
UH, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND THOUGH.
UM, WE'LL START OFF WITH NUMBER ONE.
UM, BOTH OF YOU FEEL FREE TO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU'VE UPDATED OR WHAT YOUR THOUGHT IS BEHIND THAT, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE, UH, ONE BY ONE.
SO, ED, ED, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
SO, SINCE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IT THIS WAY, I WOULD RATHER FOR EACH OF YOU TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF INTO THE RECORD FIRST, AND THEN THAT WAY WHEN WE GO BACK AND FORTH WE'RE FINE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS ES, UH, MY NAME IS ALEX SCHWARTZMAN.
STEP UP TO THE MIC PLEASE, SIR.
AND SORRY, MY NAME IS ALEX SCHWARTZMAN.
I'M THE DEVELOPER AND HE'S THE ARCHITECT.
UH, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE STRUCTURE PROPOSED TO FRONT BURNETT BE INCREASED TO BE GREATER THAN THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURE SETBACK, WHICH IS 1122.
BURNETT IS NOTED IN FINDING C.
HERE IS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED, UH, OCTAVIA OR ALEX, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU'VE CHANGED? YES.
UH, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT TIGHT WITH REGARD TO SETBACKS.
HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUSHING THE HOUSE BACK AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR WHATEVER, UH, WE'RE GOING OVER THE, THE REAR SETBACK ON THAT HOUSE, THEREFORE WE COMPLY WITH, WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION REQUESTED.
ALRIGHT, STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE OVERALL MASSING THAT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED BURNETT STRUCTURE, BE REDUCED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH FRONT FACADE WIDTHS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
AND ON THIS BLOCK ON BURNETT IS NOTED IN FINDINGS F AND I, UH, I WILL PULL UP THE UPDATED.
SO, UH, THE STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE STRUCTURE THAT THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THIS FRONT BURNETT, UH, OCTAVIA, PLEASE.
WE WERE A LITTLE BIT OVER 50 FEET, I BELIEVE 53 AND A HALF SOMETHING THAT KIND.
AND UM, ALSO WITH REGARD TO THE MASSIVE, THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION, WE ARE ALSO AT 40% OF THE LOT NOW COMMISSIONERS.
ON THE SCREEN NOW IS THE STRUCTURE THAT STAFF REVIEWED FOR REFERENCE.
AND NOW ON THE SCREEN IS THE UPDATED STRUCTURE, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, UM, THAT A STREET ELEVATION OF BOTH BURNETT AND NORTH PALMETTO STREETS BE SUBMITTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE PROPOSED HEIGHTS ARE APPROPRIATE IS NOTED IN FINDING I, UM, I'M NOT FOR SURE OCTA IF YOU HAVE, UH, STREET ELEVATION IN HERE.
THERE ARE MORE STIPULATIONS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
UH, NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN, NOTING BUILDING A LOT RATIOS AND OVERALL SETBACKS IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ON BOTH BLOCKS IS NOTED IN FINDINGS.
UH, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE CALCULATIONS HERE, CORRECT? UH, YES.
SO 42% OF THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE, UH, MR. CHAIR, YES.
EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT, UM, THIS IS TYPICALLY NOT THE WAY WE REVIEW LATE DOCUMENTS.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THESE AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE FOR 12 STIPULATIONS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND OR SUGGEST ANOTHER METHOD SO THAT WE COULD REVIEW THESE MORE THOUGHTFULLY, RIGHT? I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONER AND THE PUBLIC WHO HAS NOT HAD ACCESS TO THESE AS WELL.
SO WITH THIS, UM, SO WITH COMMISSIONER SABINA SUGGESTED HERE, UM, ARE WE, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY WE CAN DO THIS OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ALONG THIS METHOD, MAYBE WE, UM, MAYBE POSSIBLY LOOK AT A CONTINUANCE TO BE ON COMPUTER? I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, PROBABLY A DRC WHERE THEY COULD REALLY EXPLAIN THESE AND, UM, SHOW US THE, THE DOCUMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO FINISH REPRESENTATION.
AND I THINK STAFF IS HELPING TO FACILITATE THAT.
IT, I, I, BY NO MEANS THINK I, I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S A MOTION FOR WHATEVER TODAY, BUT I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL FOR THE APPLICANT TO HEAR FROM Y'ALL SO THAT HE KNOWS WHAT TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK WITH.
UH, OTHERWISE, WE'LL, NEXT WEEK HE MAY LEARN SOMETHING AND THEN THERE'S STILL NOT TIME.
SO, UM, I'VE MET WITH THEM A HANDFUL OF TIMES TO WORK THROUGH THESE, UH, TO TRY TO GET UPDATES SUBMITTED TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, AND SO I DO THINK HEARING FROM Y'ALL,
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UH, AT LEAST ON SOME OF THESE YOU CAN JUST SAY, I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT, COME BACK OR PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAIL WHEN WE MEET NEXT WEEK.I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT IF, IF YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION NOW TO REFER TO DRC, THEN UM, I CAN TRY TO MEET WITH THEM AND GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHAT I THINK YOU ALL MAY, MAY TAKE DIRECTION ON.
UH, GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE, SIR.
UH, NUMBER FIVE ARE STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS.
THIS IS IN REGARDS TO SIDING SPECIFICATIONS, UH, WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, ET CETERA.
UM, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS NOTED, UM, THAT THEY PLAN TO MEET THOSE, UH, NUMBER SIX, UH, WINDOW PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS.
UM, THE APPLICANT, OCTAVIA, IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON, UH, WHAT YOUR IDEA IS NOW FOR WINDOWS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A WALL SECTION, UM, THAT STAFF FINDS GENERALLY WILL WORK.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, WE DO NEED, UH, INFO ON WINDOWS.
YEAH, ORIGINALLY, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO COMPLYING WITH THE DEPTH TWO INCH DEPTH AND WE'RE OPEN TO EITHER VINYL OR, OR ALUMINUM.
UH, IF IT HAS TO BE ALUMINUM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL DEFINITELY DO.
UH, WE'RE STUDYING THE POSSIBILITIES OF EITHER ONE.
MOST LIKELY IT'LL BE ALUMINUM TO TO, TO BE HONEST ON THAT.
UH, STIPULATION, I THINK WE'RE ON NUMBER SEVEN.
ADMINISTRATION BE ADDED TO BOTH STRUCTURES.
UM, SO I'LL PULL UP THIS, THIS ELEVATION.
THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM BURNETT.
UH, THE ONE AT THE REAR IS THE ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM LAMAR STREET.
UM, ON THE SCREEN NOW IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO STAFF.
UM, AND IN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT NOTED SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADDITIONAL WINDOWS TO BE ADDED AND WAYS THAT, UH, THE FACADE CAN MAYBE BE BALANCED.
UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT COMMISSIONERS IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS, RIGHT.
UM, STIPULATION EIGHT WAS THAT BOTH PORT STRUCTURES BE REDESIGNED.
UM, SO INITIALLY, UM, THE STRUCTURE THAT'S PROPOSED ON LAMAR, UH, THERE WERE KIND OF TWO THINGS GOING ON WITH THE PORCH.
NUMBER ONE, THE ROOF OF THE CIRCULATION ELEMENT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PORCH.
MASSING FEATURED A DIFFERENT PITCH THAN THE PRIMARY ROOF.
UH, THAT ALSO FEATURED A DIFFERENT PITCH THAN THE PRIMARY PORCH ROOF.
UH, SO THREE ROOF PITCHES, UH, FOR A STRUCTURE THAT'S WORKING OFF OF AN L FRAME, UH, PLAN OR AN L PLAN RATHER, UH, THAT'S A BIT ATYPICAL.
THE SECOND WAS THE, THE MATERIAL INCLUDED IN THE EL THE MASSING, UH, THE APPLICANT'S CHANGED THAT TO A WOOD SIDING.
UH, HAS ALSO MATCHED THE ROOF PROFILE OR THE ROOF PITCH OF THE CIRCULATION ELEMENT.
UM, PREVIOUSLY THE STRUCTURE THAT'S HERE, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED, UM, HAD PARKING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE FOOTPRINT, THE PORCH MASSING DOUBLED AS A CARPORT OFF TO THE SIDE.
THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE SHIFTED THE PORCH MASSING TO WHERE IT'S MORE OR LESS INCORPORATED INTO THE MASSING OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN THE DISTRICT.
UH, STIPULATION NINE, BOTH STRUCTURES, FEATURE WALKWAYS THAT LEAD FROM THE FOR FRONT PORCH TO THE SIDEWALK AT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, BELIEVE THERE'S AN UPDATED SITE PLAN AT THE APPLICANT'S.
YES, IT'S INCLUDED TO NOTE THAT FOR THOSE STRUCTURES.
UM, 10 WAS THAT THE PARKING BE ELIMINATED FROM BEING WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF BOTH STRUCTURES.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE CARPORTS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THESE NOW 11 MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED, THAT'S EASY.
AND THEN THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE ARE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON ANY OF THOSE, OR IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT HAS ADEQUATELY MET ANY OF THESE, UM, THEN, UM, NOW MAYBE THE TIME TO HAVE THEM BE ABLE TO WORK ON THAT FOR A DRC NEXT WEEK.
AND DID I, I HEARD YOU MENTION 11.
DID YOU MENTION 12 ALSO? UH, YES.
DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN, YES.
UM, SO WE'LL GO ACROSS NOW AND ASK FOR QUESTIONS FOR, UM, THE, UM, APPLICANT.
I'LL START FOR OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER.
SO COMMISSIONER GROUP, I'LL START WITH YOU.
UH, AND I GUESS THERE'S, JUST TO STOP, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS.
WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, SO, UH, I THINK THEY'VE ACCEPTED ALL STIPULATIONS, BUT TWO AND SEVEN IS PROBABLY THE ONES THAT ARE MOSTLY UP FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I WOULD SAY THEY'VE BEGUN TO ADDRESS TOO.
THE WIDTH HAS CERTAINLY BEEN REDUCED OF THAT HOUSE.
UM, HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE MOVING PARTS.
THEY'VE INCREASED THE SETBACKS, UH, THEY'VE REDUCED THE WIDTH.
UM, I THINK MAINLY AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, YOUR DISCUSSION AND WEIGH IN, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO IT'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERALL MASSING AND FENESTRATIONS ON ALL FACADES, TWO AND SEVEN.
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EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH ACCEPTED OR COMPLETED, I WOULD GENERALLY SAY.SO I THINK HAVING AN OVERALL STREET ELEVATION WOULD BE HELPFUL, UH, TO CONFIRM THAT THE PROPOSED HEIGHTS, UM, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND ON THE BLOCK.
UM, BUT CERTAINLY STAFF IS GOING TO, UH, OKAY, SO STAFF TWO, THREE, AND SEVEN.
UH, I THINK THAT WAS THE QUESTION I HAD.
IS THERE A ROOF PLAN, UH, PER LIKE, UH, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, FINDING EIGHT, THAT WAS YOUR STIPULATION, WAS THERE MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE ROOF OR A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE OF THE ROOF? MOSTLY THE ROOF.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I DO AGREE WITH THE, UM, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE FENESTRATION.
YOU GUYS ARE ON BOARD WITH THE QUANTITY AND PLACEMENT OF THOSE.
UM, MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE HEIGHT AS RELATED TO THE NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS.
CAN WE SEE A GOOGLE EARTH VIEW OF THE LOT AND THE SURROUNDING STRUCTURES, PLEASE, ON A STREET VIEW? ONE SEC.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE WAYS AS YOU LOOK, LOOK FURTHER IN THE DESIGN TO AMELIORATE SOME OF THE HEIGHTS, ESPECIALLY AS THEY OCCUR NEXT TO NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS THAT ARE ONE STORY.
I COULD JUST SAY MASSING IS WAY OVERDONE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOT IN ITS SETTING, BUT I THINK IF YOU HAD SOME FURTHER DIRECTION BE HELPFUL, A DRC WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, THIS IS A VERY MODEST PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO COPY THEM AT ALL, BUT THOSE, UM, DESIGN MOVES THAT YOU DO MAKE ON THE HOUSE SHOULD, UM, BEGIN TO FIT IN.
UM, COMMISSIONER SINO, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OH, SURE.
ARE YOU, UM, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO LOOKING FURTHER INTO, UM, UH, ALTERING DESIGN SO THAT IT FITS THE GUIDELINES AND BETTER FITS WITHIN ITS EXISTING CONTEXT? I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WILL MEAN.
UH, THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY, IT WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE TWO STORIES OR TO SOMEHOW THOSE TWO STORIES TRY TO INTEGRATE 'EM TO THE ONE STORY HOUSES NEXT TO 'EM, SUCH AS PERHAPS HAVING, UH, THE CARPORT STRUCTURE ON THE OTHER SIDE SO WE CAN SORT OF INTEGRATE PERHAPS.
IS THAT, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO DEFINITELY, UM, LOOKING AT YOUR SITE IN A WAY THAT WOULD, THAT THE BUILDING WOULD BETTER FIT THE EXISTING CONTEXT OF THE HISTORIC? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
OUR BEST INTEREST IS TO DEFINITELY COMPLY AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE INTEGRATE TO, TO THE AREA FOR SURE.
SO WE'LL GO, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT FOR SURE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR SUBMITTING THESE DRAWINGS AND ADDRESSING STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, I DO THINK I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT, UH, POSSIBLY SOME FURTHER MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SCALE AND MASSING OF THE BUILDINGS, UM, MIGHT BE, UH, USEFUL TO THE PROJECT AND, AND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE A, UH, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UH, AND, UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO A DRC, UH, AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN, UH, Y'ALL POTENTIALLY COME BACK ON IN TWO WEEKS.
IM PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION, SIR.
NO, I JUST THINK THAT, UH, SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP TODAY, SUCH AS, I MEAN, JUST FLIPPING THE, THE CARPORT WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON BURNETT MIGHT BE A, A POSSIBILITY.
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AT SOME, UH, MAYBE A LOWER CEILING HEIGHTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY USE DORMERS OR, UM, SORT OF LOOKING AT THE SECOND FLOOR MORE AS OCCUPIED ATTIC SPACE, WHICH THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE, UH, HOUSES ON THE, THE BLOCK ITSELF.
UM, TRYING TO GET THE MASS OF THESE TWO STRUCTURES DOWN.
UM, I KNOW IT'S ORIGINALLY IT WAS ONE LOT, SO IT PROBABLY HAD A, UH, HOUSE FACING PALMETTO AND MAYBE A, A SMALLER ACCESSORY UNIT ON THE BACK END.
UH, BUT NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT TWO LOTS AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIT TWO HOUSES IN THERE, I THINK GETTING THE, THE SCALE OF THEM AND THE MASSING OF THEM, UH, IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CHALLENGE.
NO, AND I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S ARE GREAT IDEAS TO, TO APPROACH.
UM, I'LL BE COMING TO YOU SHORTLY.
UH, FIRST I WANTED TO, UH, COMPLIMENT EDWARD AND THE APPLICANT IN THE WAY THAT THEY WENT THROUGH THAT.
THAT WAS A VERY, UH, UM, SMART WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
I, I, I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WOULD COME BACK.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TIME THAT'S NECESSARY WILL ONLY MAKE IT BETTER.
I WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE DESIGN.
I TEND TO LIKE IT THE WAY THAT IT IS, SO EVEN IF IT TAKES A LITTLE, IS A LITTLE HIGHER.
I WISH IT WAS A LITTLE LONGER THAT YOU HADN'T SHORTENED IT SO MUCH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT IS WELL, WELL, WELL TAKEN.
UH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I, I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, EDWARD IN, IN THAT WAY.
AND IT, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD.
SO THANK THANKS FOR DOING THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS ALSO, LIKE, I, I ALSO WANTED TO SAY, I THINK THANK YOU.
UH, I THINK STAFF WORK REALLY IS WORKING REALLY WELL WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME AND WE DON'T EXPECT EVERY APPLICANT BE, YOU KNOW, VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO HANDLE THESE TYPE OF APPLICATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO, IF THEY ARE ACCEPTING, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE, UM, STIPULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING EVERYTHING IS UPDATED.
I WANNA SAY LIKE I WAS GONNA MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MOVE FOR SOMETHING CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED SO THAT WE HAVE LESS STIPULATIONS FOR THE NEXT TIME IT COMES BACK.
BECAUSE THE DRC IS NOT GONNA REMOVE ANY OF THESE 12 STIPULATIONS.
THERE'S JUST GONNA BE LIKE STAFF WILL HAVE COMMENTS THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, STIPULATION MET OR WHATEVER, BUT IT DOES NOT REMOVE 12 STIPULATIONS.
WE ARE GOING FURTHER AS IN LIKE, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS COMING TO SOMETHING.
SO I MEAN, I JUST, THE PROCESS, I THINK THIS PROCESS WAS WELL DONE AND I THINK THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO ACCEPT IT.
AND THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A DRC OR IF IT'S JUST REALLY UPDATING THIS, UH, THIS PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT MOST OF THESE TYPE RELATIONS ARE, UM, UH, SHOWING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN MET WITH FORMAL DRAWINGS.
AND ALSO JUST REMIND MY APPLICANTS THAT WE, WHEN WE'RE IN CHRISTIAN MODE, WE ARE IN QUESTION MODE.
AND I THINK THIS WAS, UH, LEADING THE APPLICANT INTO SOMETHING.
I THINK WE NEEDED MORE DISCUSSION, UH, OURSELVES TOO.
I WOULD'VE TO DISCUSSED MORE OF THE MASSING INSTEAD OF JUST SENDING IT TO A DRC.
COMMISSIONER GIRA CO COMMENTS, SIR? COMMENTS RIGHT NOW? NO COMMENTS RIGHT NOW, SIR.
COMMISSIONER VESO, NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND LOOK FORWARD TO VISITING DURING THE DRC.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINO? AYE.
UM, THIS, UM, SO DESIGN REVIEW, COMMISSION MEETING IS ADJOURNED.