* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE REVIEW COMMISSIONS COMMISSION 2019 FERNANDEZ FERNANDEZ. HERE. FISH. FISH. GIBBS GIBBS. HERE. VELAZQUEZ VELAZQUEZ. HERE. OLA. OLA. MARTINEZ. FLORES. MARTINEZ FLORES. CARPENTER. CARPENTER. BOWMAN. BOWMAN. JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE DO HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THIS MEETING. OH NO. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, HIS CHAIRMAN AND VICE VICE CHAIR SCOTT, IS THE FUNCTION OF THIS BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES, HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND AND DESIGN REVIEW, COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY REHABILITATION ANTONIO UNIFIED ADDITIONAL GUIDE COUNCIL WISHES TO IN FAVOR OF OR OPPOSITION THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU ARE SIGNED TODAY MAXIMUM FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY RECORDED. AND WE COMMENTS AND EVERYONE PRESENT, INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS, EACH PERSON IS GIVEN, GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. PARTICIPANTS THAT SPEAK OUT, TURN OR ARE DISRUPTIVE WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE OR ESCORT FROM THE FACILITY. ANY COMMENTS THAT MAY BE PERCEIVED AS A THREATENING OR INSULTING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. THE SPEAKERS WILL BE ESCORTED FROM THE FACILITY AT THIS TIME. PLEASE SILENCE YOURSELF FROM STANDING LEFT THERE. THAT'S LIVE STREAMED. THERE'S ALREADY A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE SEAT IN THERE, SO AGAIN, MOVE TO THE SIDE OF THE ROOM. UM, AND AGAIN, WITH THE UPCOMING HOLIDAY CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED, UM, FROM DECEMBER 24TH, JUNE, JANUARY 1ST. UM, THE H C R C SCHEDULE APPLICATION, THOSE AVAILABLE ON WEBSITE AT WITH THAT WE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, WE'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN. UM, ITEMS A 180 5 ARE ON CONSENT. WE HAVE SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS A THREE AND WILL MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER PERSON. [00:05:03] HOUSTON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CERTIFICATE. 70 20 SOUTH MARY, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER SIGNED IN. I'M UM, AND CATHERINE DO WILL BE NEXT. SO PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE FRONT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M EGRIN, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE LE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WHOSE NEIGHBORHOOD THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED. THE ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT WHILE THE APPLICANT'S REDUCTION OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS FROM FOUR TO THREE STORIES IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED, WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING THE IMPOSING NATURE OF THE DESIGN AS IT RELATES TO HISTORIC COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT. AS YOU KNOW, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE REAR AND TO THE NORTH ARE ONE STORY RESIDENCES AND THE COMMERCIAL STOREFRONT IS POSITIONED BEHIND THIS ONE STORY. UM, ALTHOUGH ST MARY'S STREET IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR WHERE WE PREFER TO FOCUS DENSITY, THE AIM IS TO ENSURE THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS REMAIN THE FOCUS OF THE DISTRICT. AND THAT'S ACCOMPLISHED BY DESIGNING ADDITIONS THAT ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPALS ADE AS VIEWED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, THE PROPOSED THREE STORY EDITION REMAINS AT A SCALE WITH HISTORIC COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES. THE APPLICANT IS HAVING DIFFICULTY INCORPORATING THEIR DENSITY INTO THE HISTORIC DESIGN BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH. WE SUGGEST THAT AN H D R C HEARING ON DESIGN IS PREMATURE BECAUSE THE DENSITY HAS NOT YET BEEN APPROVED THROUGH THE ZONING CHANGE. THE REQUEST IS FOR 80 UNITS PER PER ACRE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY DOUBLE WHAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR THE SH R PLANT AND THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY FITTING AT IT INTO A DESIGN THAT'S HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR TOMORROW. SO WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS THAT WE DO NOT APPROVE NOW SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE DENSITY AND THEN INCORPORATE THE DENSITY APPROPRIATELY INTO THE DESIGN. BUT WE ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT THE BUILDING BEHIND AT 1 41 JACOB STREET, WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS NOT PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THAT IS BEING USED TO ENHANCE THE DENSITY. THE RESULT OF THAT IS IT TAKES AWAY PARKING AS WELL. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S TECHNICALLY A DIFFERENT ADDRESS, IF YOU LOOKED AT AS ONE WHOLE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AND THAT BUILDING BE CONSIDERED IN THE PROCESS AS WELL. SO WHILE WE DON'T NECESSARILY OPPOSE THREE, THREE STORY BUILDING, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE DESIGN IS PROBLEMATIC? JOSEPH SAID. JOSEPH SAID, GOOD AFTERNOON AWARE THE APPLICANT, APPLICANT WHICH HOTEL MIGHT REQUIRE AND NO LIFE SAFETY MEASURES, A HALF ACRE, LOTS PUT TOGETHER IS UNDERSTAND NOT OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THIS CONDITION, HOWEVER, MAKING DECISIONS ON BUILDING DESIGN ARE NOT YET RIGHT. WHEN DECISIONS BEING MADE TODAY, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT A DECISION. JACOB? [00:10:13] GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY SUITE 700 BRIEF. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUR AGENDA TODAY. UM, WE AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. WE'VE ADDRESSED THE CONCERNS THIS COMMISSIONER HAD THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, SUPPORT THAT APPROVAL AND WE GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. DENIES OUR CASE TO THE BALL. MOVING QUESTION FROM A QUESTION OF STAFF. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LIMITS AGAIN AS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE DOES NOT USE OF THE STRUCTURE AND SO OFTENTIMES WHEN THERE'S A PROJECT THAT REQUIRES A ZONING TO D PROMPT DISCUSSIONS AT THE ZONING LEVEL ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE SITE, HISTORIC LANDMARK AND HISTORICAL DISTRICTS THAT ALSO PROMPT THE TO HEAR ABOUT THE DESIGN. SO THE H C R C TASK SITE PROPOSED ALTERATIONS TO STORED STRUCTURES, BUT NOT THE NUMBER OF UNITS WERE PROPOSED. THE SITE DESIGN GIVEN THESE ARE PARCELED OUT AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAN TREATED REVIEWED BY SAME, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT PUT ON THAT CONSTRUCTION. CONSTRUCTION AND THIS WAS THE NEXT ITEM IS WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN SIGNED IN TO SPEAK VIRGINIA. VIRGINIA VAN. BUSY DAY FOR EVERYBODY TODAY. MY NAME IS VIRGINIA. VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. WE SAN ANTONIO OBJECTED TO THE DEMOLITION OF THREE HISTORIC ROW HOUSES. THE PART OF THIS PROJECT DEMOLITION BUILDING AT 1900 BROADWAY, WHICH APPEARS FOUR APPEARANCE AS AUTO ALONG SAN ANTONIO'S AUTO. THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU OFFERS CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION REGARDING WHETHER THE BUILDING MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. WE BELIEVE IT DOES FURTHER DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE BUILDING COULD NOT BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLANNED BUILDING AS IT ADDRESSES THE CORNER IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO THE NEW DESIGN AND DOES NOT UNDERPIN THE TALLER PORTION OF THE PROJECT. SAN ANTONIO, THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE AND COMMISSIONER'S PATRICK CHRISTENSEN CHRISTENSEN. UM, WE'VE COMPLIED WITH THESE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE, THE PRELIMINARY HEARING THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL. [00:15:06] UM, JUST A BRIEF REPORT, NO MOTION PASSES. THE TIME IS NOW 20. THE SESSION SIX SEATS AVAILABLE. TIME IS NOW TWO OH PM ON WEDNESDAY 19. COMMISSION OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW RECONVENE OFFICIAL ACTION TAKEN. OKAY, I'M NEXT TO ITEM SIX, CASE 2019 BLOCK PARK AT TODAY'S MEETING, FINAL APPROVAL TO APPROVED A WARNING. AND SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO I HAVE TO SIGN IN SHEET. IT'S PULLED WITHOUT ACCEPTING, WE WILL HAVE THE PRESENTATION. GOOD AFTERNOON BEEN OF THIS PROJECT THE PAST FOUR YEARS. WEED CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH 18 OF TREATMENT OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF AND ALTERATIONS TO AREA, FRIENDSHIP AREA. THIS COMMISSION AT THAT MEETING ALSO PROVIDED FINAL APPROVAL TO DISMANTLE REPAIR IN ALAMO PLAZA AT THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE, WITH FINAL APPROVAL OF POSITION [00:20:02] TO TODAY WE'RE REQUESTING APPROPRIATENESS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO LANDSCAPING TO EXPAND THE PEDESTRIAN SOUTH OF POSITIONING THE SENATE WITHIN THE PROPOSED PLAZA. THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE. DESTINATIONS HAS BEEN THE DESIGN TEAM FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAST YEAR DESTINATIONS AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS JOHN KA DESTINATIONS. TWO WEEKS AGO WE HAD A LITTLE BIT LARGER TEAM UP HERE PRESENTING A MUCH LONGER PRESENTATION ABBREVIATING PORTION OF THAT. SO IF YOU RECALL TWO WEEKS AGO WE KIND OF HAD THREE CHAPTERS. TWO WE, THE STRATEGIES RESTORATION INTERPRET TODAY WHAT YOU'LL SEE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS THIS, THIS IS PHASE ONE. SO WHAT WE'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON TODAY, IT'S JUST THAT PROPOSED SCOPE BOUNDARY THAT INCLUDES THAT SOUTH AREA AREA, THE PROPOSED RELOCATION AS WELL AS THESE CROCKETT AND UP AS WELL. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, BOUNDARY IS THE ONE THAT WE'LL BE BE REFERRING TO TODAY. WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS THE IS PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN OF PAV PLAN, WHICH WE'LL DIVE INTO IN A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL. THIS IS A REMINDER WE HAVE AS A DESIGN TEAM LOOKED AT, IT'S NOT ONLY AS PHASE ONE BUT ALSO HOW IT RELATES TO FUTURE PHASES ABOUT L THE PAVING CHOICES AND EVEN THE LANDSCAPE CHOICES AS WELL AS ORIENTATION OF ELEMENTS REALLY DOES A DEEP CONNECTION TO PHASES WITH THAT. UH, A FEW DETAILS JUST AS A REMINDER OF WHAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED, THE GREAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT'S GOING INTO UNDERSTANDING OF UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, DRAINAGE ACCESS, OR NOT ONLY EMERGENCY ACCESS, BUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PARADE ROUTE THAT GOES AROUND IT. SO THAT DIAGRAM THAT YOU'LL RECALL, EVERYTHING HIGHLIGHTED RED STARTS TO GO INTO THOSE RESTRICTED AREAS. YOU'LL SEE LOCATION OF THE, ALSO WE TALKED ABOUT ORIENT ORIENTATION QUITE LAST, WHICH IS 180 DEGREE. WE WENT THROUGH DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT INTO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE SENATE, THE DESIGN TERMS, AND REALLY FOCUSED ON SPIRIT SACRIFICE AS PART THE PROPOSAL TALKED ABOUT THE SITE DESIGN OF CREATING AN OUTDOOR ROOM THAT WE WENT INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL BACK ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LANDSCAPE AND THE DESIGN OF THOSE SITE CURBS AND ALSO THE SETTING USE AROUND IT. UH, SO WITH THAT NEXT TWO SLIDES, ART THE LIVE OAK SURROUNDING, MUCH LIKE THE LIVE OAKS DO NOW TO WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE DO NOW. A A LOT OF FOLKS SIT THERE AND FACE THEIR FACTORS AND FACE AWAY REMINDED THAT WE DID AGAIN, THE, THE EXTENDS IN THE FUTURE PHASES. WE TALKED IN GENERAL, UH, TONE ABOUT THE MATERIALITY, RIGHT? THE INTENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SPOKEN TO COMBINATION OF SMALL SCALE SCALE BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE LANDSCAPE TO MAKE SURE WE FOCUSED A LOT CONVERSATIONS. SO IT CAN BE, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE SHR LEVEL STAYS SOME GREAT LINES OF SIGHT ACROSS THAT LOCATION AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE GROUND COVER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REGIONALLY APPROPRIATE, STABLE SHADE, TOLERANT, RESILIENT. [00:25:02] FINALLY, ONE OF THE LAST DETAILS THAT WE, THE ADDITION OF LIGHTING AND SO WE PRESENTED A FEW EXTRA DETAILS OF PROPOSED LIGHTING, CONTINUITY OF SURFACE LIGHTING HIGHLIGHTING THE MONUMENT, WHICH IS NOT HIGHLIGHTED NOW SPECIFICALLY NOT AS A LARGE BEACON OF LIGHTS, BUT HIGHLIGHTING THE CONTROL PIECES AND ALSO ANIMATING THE GROUND BY WASHING AND DOWN LIGHTING FOR, FOR SAFETY AND OF THE ENTIRE PLAZA. WITH THAT CONCLUSION, WE, WE PULLED OUT A COUPLE OF THE AERIAL VIEWS THAT YOU SAW LAST TIME, STARTING TO CAPTURE NOT JUST THAT AREA IN FRONT OF THE MANGER WHERE THE PROPOSED LOCATION AND ORIENTATION OF THE, BUT YOU'LL SEE HOW IT TURNS THE CORNER AND EXTENDS, EXTENDS ACROSS CROCK AND UPON. AND THAT IS THE VIEW OF JUST PHASE ONE, THAT COMPLETED FORM AND THEN ALSO AS A, AS WE IMPORTANT NOW, NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING THIS AFTERNOON. THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ALAMO AND THE SURROUNDING AMO PLAZA IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, SHOULD BE HANDLED WITH GREAT RESPECT AND THOUGHTFUL DELIBERATION. REMOVING OF THE NEW LOCATION. OCTOBER ITEMS FOR THE COMMISSION TODAY INCLUDES PROPOSED ORIENTATION, SOFTSCAPE SURROUNDING AND THE STREETS EAST AND SOUTH OF THE CHURCH. THAT WILL BE CLOSED FOR TWO VEHICLE TRAFFIC. ONE WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES. WE APPRECIATE RUNNING HIGH, BUT WE ASK THE SPEAKERS KEEP THEIR COMMENTS TO THE ACCIDENT. ON TODAY'S AGENDA, CALL TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. PLEASE MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS TURNED, UM, TOWARDS YOU SO WE CAN HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. FOR THE RECORD, I'M GONNA CALL YOU TWO AT A TIME, SO I'M GONNA CALL THE SPEAKER FOLLOWED BY WHO'S UP NEXT. IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR WAY UP TO THE FRONT WINDOW, HEAR YOUR NAME, THAT WOULD BE MUCH WHITE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS MAGGIE CLAPTON WRIGHT AND I'M HERE FROM BURLINGTON 72 16 COUNTY ROAD EIGHT OH. AND UM, I'M A SEVENTH SABBATH. GENERATIONT HISTORY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I'VE NEVER KNOWN THE ALAMO WITHOUT THE SYN HALF RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, YES, THE LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL. WHERE THE DEFENDERS BLED AND DIED IS MORE IMPORTANT. BEST WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN 1936 DECIDED TO THE, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE FIGHTING TOOK PLACE AND WHERE THEY BLED AND DIED. IT'S LIKE AN EMPTY TOMB OF THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER OR A WAR MEMORIAL TO STAND FOR THEM. AND YES, IT'S BEEN DECIDED, BUT NOT ALL TEXANS HAVE GOT TO DECIDE. WE DID A POLL AND THEY'RE AGAINST MOVING THIS IDE. AND WHAT I AM CONCERNED WITH THIS IS THE, UH, A DEED AND IT LOOK AT NUMBER FOUR THERE IS, IT SAYS THAT THIS PROPERTY SHALL NOT, SHALL NOT BE USED FOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT IT WAS INTENDED. THEY CAN'T USE THAT PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA, WHERE THE CTA NOW SITS FOR ANYTHING ELSE. IF THEY MOVE THAT CTA AND NOW GO TO THE ONE AND WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH THIS LADY LIBERTY, THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF ART THAT WEIGHS 40,000 POUNDS. THEY HAD, THEY HAD THE FORM READY TO PUT IT UP AND HOISTED IT UP THERE, BUT IF WE DO NOT HAVE A LOCATION WITH THE FORMS READY, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO WITH THIS LADY LIBERTY WHEN THEY TAKE HER DOWN, THAT'S 10 FEET TALL AND THAT'S 40,000 POUNDS OF MARS. AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY HAVE THREE LOCATIONS, THEY'RE NOT READY FOR THE SENATE HOUSE TO BE MOVED AND WE ARE NOT READY IN TEXAS FOR IT TO BE MOVED BECAUSE THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU LEE SPENCER WHITE, FOLLOWED BY DR. ALMA REDONDO LYNCH. I'M LEE SPENCER WHITE, REPRESENTING THE ALAMO DEFENDER DESCENDANTS ASSOCIATION. [00:30:02] I'VE PASSED OUT THE FIRST PAGE OF OUR LAWSUIT THAT CLEARLY SHOWS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS NAMED AS ONE OF THE DEFENDANTS IN THE LAWSUIT DEALING WITH THE ALAMO CEMETERY AND THE CEMETERY. LAST MEETING I NOTICED THE ALAMO DESIGNERS FAILED TO GIVE DETAILS CONCERNING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPOSED CTA SUPERSTRUCTURE. WHERE ARE THE SOIL SAMPLE STUDIES? WHAT WILL BE THE DEPTH OF THE FOUNDATION FOOTING? THE CURRENT CTA HAS 22 FOOT DEEP FOOTINGS. WHAT SEEMS GLARINGLY APPARENT IS A LACK OF AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AND SURVEY OF THE PROPOSED SITE. WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY ENCOUNTER BONES? HOW CAN THERE BE A VOTE TO DISASSEMBLE THE SYNTA WITHOUT ABSOLUTELY KNOWING THE EXACT SITE OF THE NEW SUPERSTRUCTURE? AND CAN THE SITE ACCOMMODATE IT? I SAY SEND THE DESIGNERS BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE. SEEMS PRUDENT TO ASK THE DESIGNERS TO DO THE FOLLOWING ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY TO DETERMINE THE CEMETERY LOCATION SOIL SAMPLES TO THE DEPTH OF THE DEEPEST FOOT OF THE STRUCTURE. DETERMINE THE LOCATION OF UTILITIES AND CAN THEY BE MOVED IF NECESSARY. FRANKLY, I'M WEARY OF THE ALAMO PLAN DESIGNER'S VAGUE ANSWERS TO QUESTION AND SAYING TO BE DETERMINED. THE ALAMO PLAN NEEDS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH RESEARCH AND FACTS INSTEAD OF PRETTY PICTURES. COMMISSIONERS, I'M ASKING YOU TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND TABLE THIS MOTION ARE AT THE VERY LEAST, TAKE THE SENATE TASK OUT OF ITS UPDATE. THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE ATTORNEY MR. ILLA, HAS AGREED TO A RULE 11 AND HE HAS AGREED THAT HE WOULD NOT MOVE THE SENATE ATTACK UNTIL AFTER OUR LAWSUIT HEARING ON JANUARY 21ST. THANK YOU. DR. ALMA FOLLOWED MARZA, WE WANNA START. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE BEFORE YOU. DO YOU MIND IF I SPEAK TO YOU ALL IN SPANISH OR NO IN ENGLISH PLEASE. , WE HAVE A TRANSLATOR WHO CAN KNOW STARTED IN SPANISH. I CAN, I CAN DO IT EITHER WAY AND YOUR TIME WILL BE UPDATED TO FOUR MINUTES. I'LL SPEAK IN ENGLISH. MY NAME IS DR. AMON LYNCH AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE MOVING OF THE SYNTA AND READING HOW THE NUMBER OF DEGREES THAT YOU WANNA MOVE THE SYNTA, YOU MOVE IT AT 180 DEGREES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE HEROES FACING MEXICO. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE WANT OUR STATUES FACING MEXICO OR EVEN THE MEXICAN ARCH OUT THERE? I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE FACING THE ALAMO ITSELF. I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I SEE MANY OF YOU, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS. I RESENT THE FACT THAT MANY OF US DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND HEAR THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU ALL WERE HAVING. WE DIDN'T HAVE A VOICE IN THIS AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT MOVED PRETTY FAST WITH US NOT BEING PRESENT. I'M AN AMERICAN OF WHICH MEXICAN HERITAGE AND I HAVE ANCESTORS I KNOW THAT TAUGHT IN THIS ON BOTH SIDES AND I DON'T WANT IT MOVED TO ME. IT IS SACRED. AND WHEN YOU ALL DON'T HAVE ANY SENSE OF OWNERSHIP, IT'S EASY TO JUST OVERRIDE ANY OF OUR IDEAS, ANY OF OUR FEELINGS, AND WHAT WE STAND FOR. THANK YOU. MARO GARZA, FOLLOWED BY GOOD AFTERNOON FRIENDS AND FELLOW TEXANS. MY NAME IS MARO GARZA AND I'M CURRENTLY WORKING TO DEFEAT JOAQUIN CASTRO TO BE YOUR NEXT US CONGRESSMAN IN HOUSE DISTRICT. 2032 YEARS AGO, BEARS CISNEROS ASSURED THAT THE CTF WOULD NOT BE MOVED FOR CASUAL SUGGESTION ACROSS THE NATION, WE'RE SEEING MONUMENTS IN MEMORIAL'S, DEMEAN, DAMAGED AND DESTROYED FOR ILLEGITIMATE REASONS. THERE'S NO ILLEGITIMATE REASON TO MOVE THE CTF EVEN ONE INCH. ITS CURRENT LOCATION. HIGHLIGHTS. IT'S IMPORTANT. THE INSCRIPTION OF THE SYNT READS. THEY CHOSE NEVER TO SURRENDER NOR RETREAT. LIKE THESE TEXAS HEROES, WE MUST NEVER SURRENDER OR RETREAT. REMEMBER, THE ALAMO ISN'T JUST A BATTLE CRY, IT'S NOT A SLOGAN, IT'S NOT A CATCHPHRASE, IT'S A MANDATE. IT'S REMEMBER THE ALAMO IS A MANDATE. WE MUST HONOR THAT MANDATE TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE. THE ALAMO OF THESE HEROES IN THIS SENATE TAB, WHICH PRESERVES OUR MEMORY, MUST REMAIN IN OUR HEARTS, IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS, AND ON THIS PIECE OF LAND EXACTLY AS IT SITS [00:35:01] TODAY. NEVER SURRENDER, NEVER RETREAT. NOT ONE INCH. WHERE IS MERIT? NUREMBERG, WHERE IS JOAQUIN CASTRO? THEY WORK FOR US, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. MY NAME IS MARO GARZA. PLEASE JOIN ME. CHARISMA VIAL, FOLLOWED BY CINDY GASTRO. HELLO, UH, MY NAME IS CHARISMA AL. I'M A SEVENTH GENERATION TEXAN, NATIVE TEXAN. UM, I ALSO HAVE DESCENDANTS. UM, I'M A DESCENDANT OF CANARY ISLANDERS AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, UH, MOST NOTABLY, UH, A ALAMO DEFENDER. UM, HE WAS THE ONLY ONE BURIED AT THE ALAMO. UH, HIS BROTHER WHO FOUGHT ON THE MEXICAN SIDE, UH, ASKED SANTA ANA FOR HIS BODY AND HE WAS BURIED IN CAMP. NOW THERE ARE THREE CEMETERIES. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HE IS AND APPARENTLY THE UM, COMMITTEE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE SENATE TOP. WHAT IF THEY DE WHAT HAVE THEY PUT, WHAT HAVE THEY FIND? BODIES WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE SENATE TAP? THEY HAVE THREE PLACES AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T PICKED IT. UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE, UM, THE FACT THAT THE CITY AND THE STATE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE 1930S ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE SENATE TAP. THE CITY DIDN'T WANT THEIR BANT STAND TAKEN DOWN, SO THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THE SAP ON THE NORTH PART OF THE PLAZA. THIS ARTICLE IN THE, UH, EXPRESS NEWS, IT TALKS ABOUT THE COMMISSION SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BOARD OF CONTROL FORMALLY APPROVING THE CHANGE AND THE MEMBERS LEFT THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS JUBILANT OVER THE FACT THAT THE BAND STAND ON THE SOUTH PARK WOULD REMAIN STANDING. THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THIS DECISION. AND YOU TALK ABOUT APPROPRIATENESS. POMPEO KINI HAD A, HAD A VISION FOR EACH SIDE OF THE ZITA. THERE'S A REASON THOSE, AND I READ THAT TO YOU, TO YOU, UH, LAST, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE. A LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE DECEMBER 4TH. UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED WITH GEORGE P. BUSH. 15 SECONDS WE'VE BEEN BULLIED. WE'VE BEEN CALLED LIARS, WE'VE BEEN CALLED RACIST BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT THE SENATE ATTACKS SHOULDN'T BE MOVED OFF THE ALAMO BATTLEGROUND. THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THE SENATE ATTACK NEEDS TO STAY ON THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT. THANK YOU. CINDY GASKILL FOLLOWED BY BRANDON BURKHART. MY SON IS HIS TIME TO UM, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE A PACKET AND I ALSO EMAILED IT TO YOU. I'M SORRY, HE DID SIGN IN. HE'S ON THE THIRD PAGE RIGHT NEXT TO ME, THE TOP OF THE SEVEN PAGE OF ME. OKAY, THANK YOU. SEE YOU GUYS. HELLO AGAIN. MY NAME IS CINDY GAS. I TRAVELED HERE TODAY FROM THE WOODLANDS, TEXAS. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PACKET OF RESEARCH THAT I HAVE PREPARED FOR YOU. I WANNA LET IT BE KNOWN THAT I REPRESENT MYSELF AND MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY WHO ALL AGREE THE SYNTA SHOULD NOT BE RELOCATED OFF THE ALAMO BATTLEGROUND. I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY ORGANIZATION AND THE WORDS I SPEAK HERE TODAY ARE MY OWN OPINIONS, WHICH ARE BASED ON A GREAT DEAL OF HISTORICAL RESEARCH. YOU'RE DETERMINING FINAL POSITION TODAY. SO MY COMMENTS ARE RELEVANT. I REALIZE YOU AS THE H D R C BOARD ARE UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM POLITICIAN PAID CONSULTANTS AND CONTRACTORS WHO DESPERATELY WANT YOU TO GRANT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR PHASE ONE ONE OF THE ALAMO PLAN. AS YOU KNOW, ALL OTHER PLANS DISCUSSED ARE CONCEPTUAL AND NOT BINDING UNTIL YOU GRANT THE CERTIFICATE. YOU ALL HAVE THE POWER TO DECIDE WHETHER MONEY OR HISTORY WILL TAKE PRECEDENTS PRECEDENCE OVER THE FUTURE OF ALAMO PLAZA. IT'S BEEN REPORTED THAT THE ALAMO C E O IS ALLEGEDLY PAID UPWARDS OF $300,000 PER YEAR FOR HIS WORK. WELL-PAID. ALAMO CONSULTANTS AND POLITICIANS WILL SAY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING TO GET YOU ALL TO GRANT THIS CERTIFICATE. AND THIS HAS PROVEN TRUE IN THE PAPERWORK AND MINIMAL RESEARCH THEY HAVE GIVEN YOU. SINCE DECEMBER 4TH, I'VE CONTINUED MY OWN RESEARCH, WHICH HAS BEEN UNPAID AND ON MY OWN TIME INTO THE DESIGN DETAILS OF THE SYNAP IN THE PAPERWORK PROVIDED TO THE H D R C IN THE OCTOBER, 2018 MEETING. THE PAID ALAMO PLAN CONSULTANTS EXPLAINED IT'S WELL DOCUMENTED THROUGH EIGHT THROUGH 1936. THE BANIAN LOCATION TO THE SOUTH OF THE HISTORIC MISSION SITE WAS THE ORIGINALLY SELECTED SITE FOR THE ALAMO DEFENDERS MEMORIAL. THE PAID CONSULTANTS THEN STATE THERE IS LITTLE DOCUMENTATION OF WHY THE CHANGE IN LOCATION HAD OCCURRED. SERIOUSLY DID ALL THESE WELL-PAID CONSULTANTS DO ANY RESEARCH AT ALL? TWO WEEKS AGO I READ FROM COP'S AUTOBIOGRAPHY WHERE HE CLEARLY STATES HE INSISTED THE LOCATION OF THE SYNT BE CHANGED FROM THE BANDSTAND TO THE BLOOD SOAKED SOIL WHERE THE ALAMO HEROES LOST THEIR LIVES. POCO WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO WANTED THE CINO HALF ON THE BATTLEGROUND FOOTPRINT. I SPENT SEVEN STRAIGHT HOURS AT THE BRISCOE CENTER OF AMERICAN HISTORY AT UT AUSTIN [00:40:01] LAST WEEK AND ONE DAY I EASILY FOUND A GREAT DEAL OF DOCUMENTATION IN THE COINE COUCH COLLECTION, WHICH TELLS THE STORY OF THE SYNT IN DETAIL. THOUSANDS OF COPIS LETTERS HE RECEIVED AND SENT THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE ARE FOUND IN THIS COLLECTION. YOU HAVE COPIES IN THE RESEARCH I LEARNED CARLTON ADAMS, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE CAFT, THE STATE BORDER OF CONTROL, THE SAN ANTONIO CITY ATTORNEY, THE SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR COBB, YOUR PREDECESSORS ALL PARTICIPATED AND WERE VERY PLEASED THAT COPINE WAS ABLE TO SECURE THE CHANGE IN LOCATION FROM THE BANDSTAND TO THE BATTLE BATTLEFIELD FOOTPRINT CHAIRMAN TIER OF THE STATE BORDER CONTROL ROAD, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF YOUR LETTER ADVISING OF YOUR SUCCESS IN SECURING EASEMENT IN A MORE DESIRABLE LOCATION FOR THE SENATE. A WE WISH TO THANK MR. COBB, THE MAYOR AND OTHERS WHO CONTRIBUTED TO OUR SUCCESS IN GETTING THIS LOCATION. THAT IS WHY THE CHANGE OCCURRED. THEY WANTED IT TO BE ON THE BATTLEFIELD. DON'T MOVE THE CTA OFF THE BLOOD SOAK BATTLEFIELD. THE HISTORY IS VERY, VERY CLEAR. THE NEXT PART OF THE PHASE ONE PROPOSAL INVOLVES A REORIENTATION OF THE CTA SO THAT IT'S TURNED 180 DEGREES. COPINE DID NOT START HIS DESIGN FOR THE SYNTA UNTIL HE HAD SECURED THE LOCATION ON THE BATTLEFIELD. THE ORIENTATION WAS PART OF HIS DESIGN AND HIS DESCRIPTION OF HIS DESIGN INTENT CAN BE FOUND IN A DETAILED INTERVIEW HE TRANSCRIBED FROM A 1940 UH, RADIO TALK SHOW. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. I ALSO FOUND THIS TRANSCRIPT IN THE COPINE POUCH COLLECTION AT THE UT LIBRARY. I'M 100% AGAINST A 180 DEGREE TWIST OF THE SYNTA. THE PAID ALAMO CONSULTANTS PROVIDED YOU AN OLD POSTCARD TO SHOW DESIGN INTENT. IS THAT IT? KINI DESCRIBES IN DETAIL HOW HE WANTED THE BACK PANEL TO FACE THE NORTH TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR THE FEDERAL FUNDING PROVIDED FOR THIS TEXAS CENTENNIAL. THE FRONT PANEL IS THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE. KINI WRITES THEIR SOUL ASCENDS INTO HEAVEN EMANATING FROM THEIR MANGLED BURNING FLESH. THE SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE GOES ON AND ON TO GLORIOUS IMMORTALITY AND IT SHALL CONTINUE TO FURNISH AN INSPIRATION, PATRIOTIC DEVOTION AND A SENSE OF GRATIFYING PRIDE TO THE PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. KINI UNDERSTOOD THE EMIT SACRIFICE. THE HEROES MADE FOR TEXAS. I DIDN'T GET A WARNING. YOUR TIME WARNING. THANK YOU. IT'S HARD TO HEAR. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. BURKHART FOLLOWED BY LAMAR. LAMAR HENRY. OKAY. HELLO, MY NAME IS BRANDON BURKHART. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF, THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE. WE WORK ON THE PRESERVATION OF TEXAS HISTORY. GUYS, I WANTED TO UH, 0.1 THING OUT, START THIS WHOLE THING OFF. LAST TIME AT THE DECEMBER 4TH H D R C MEETING, COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ SAID THAT THERE ARE GROUPS, DIFFERENT GROUPS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS HERE WITH DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT EVERYTHING. BUT WE COME TOGETHER WITH ONE ONE, YOU KNOW, WE SOLID DATE UNDER ONE FACT. AND THAT IS THAT JUST AN ATTACHED SHOULD NOT BE MOVED, REMOVED FROM ITS LOCATION. GUYS, WE LIVE IN A DIVISIVE WORLD. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT ANOS, ANGLOS, AFRICAN AMERICANS AND OTHER RACES COMING TOGETHER UNDER ONE THING, WHY, WHY WOULD WE WANNA MOVE THE AL CENTER? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BRINGING US ALL TOGETHER AT THIS POINT POINT. INSTEAD OF DIVIDING US NOW GUYS WHERE THEY WANNA PLACE THIS ALAMO ATTACK HAS ALREADY BEEN TOLD YOU GUYS THAT IT WAS WHAT THE TRAIN WAS, WHERE THE BATHROOM IS. WHAT OTHER WAY COULD YOU DISRESPECT THAT MONUMENT MORE BY STICKING IT OVER THERE IN THAT LOCATION? YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS HELPED US OUT DID YOU GUYS DID SOMETHING THAT NOBODY HAS DONE SINCE 2017 AND THAT IS YOU GUYS LISTENED TO US AT THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING AND EVERYBODY IN HERE APPRECIATES THAT YOU GUYS ARE OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE. YOU GUYS ARE OUR LAST LIFELINE TO BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU GUYS TO TELL YOU PLEASE STOP, LEAVE THE SENATE OUT. WE DON'T WANT PAPINI DIDN'T WANT IT FLIPPED 180 DEGREES. NOBODY IN TEXAS REALLY DOES. AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO WANT THIS THING MOVED FROM ITS ACTUAL LOCATION ARE GETTING PAID ON THIS THING. THEY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE TRAVELED THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS AND NOT ONE PERSON EVER TOLD US US. OH YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. EVERYONE SAYS NOT ONE ANSWER. DON'T MOVE. LAMAR HENRY FOLLOWED BY, UH, MR. HENRY RECEIVES FOUR MINUTES AT HER TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LAMAR HENRY OF VICE PRESIDENT TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE SAN ANTONIO. ANTONIO, UH, ONCE AGAIN WE ARE HERE LIKE ON DECEMBER THE FOURTH TO SEE IF THIS COMMITTEE WILL STEP UP AND TAKE THE HIGH ROAD OR INSTEAD MARCH IN LEFT LOCKSTEP, WHICH [00:45:01] ARE POINTERS IN THE CITY HALL. IT'S OBVIOUS IN PAST MEETINGS THAT THERE ARE MEMBERS HERE IN CHARACTER AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING HISTORY. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE CITY HALL RUBBER STANDERS TODAY. WHEN YOU VOTE, THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO WILL SEE WHICH OF THOSE EACH ONE OF YOU ARE. YOUR DECISION WILL BE BROADCAST ACROSS TEXAS AND THE COUNTRY AND THE VOTE BY EACH ONE OF YOU BE PUBLICLY KNOWN ACROSS THE INTERNET. YOU MIGHT THINK FROM LISTENING TO RHETORIC OF SUMMER, WATCHING NEWSCAST, WHATEVER, THAT THIS FIGHT IS IMPORTANT ONLY TO DESCENDANTS OF THOSE WHO PERISHED IN THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO OR TO DESCENDANTS OF NATIVE AMERICANS WHOSE ANCESTORS ARE LIKELY BURIED WITHIN THE ALAMO COMPLEX. BUT THIS IS WRONG. OUR ORGANIZATION, FOR INSTANCE, THIS IS TEXAS FREEDOM FORCE HAS BEEN IN THE FOREFRONT OF THIS FIGHT FOR YEARS FOR ASKING WHEN WE SPEAK, WE ARE SPEAKING FOR MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TEXANS WHO ARE DEFIANTLY OPPOSED TO THE REMOVAL OF THE SENATE TAB. WE SPEAK FOR THEM, WE ARE THEIR VOICE AND THEY ARE NOT HAPPY AT ALL ABOUT THIS. THESE MANY TEXANS HAVE JOBS, FAMILIES, RESPONSIBILITIES, CANNOT AFFORD TO SPEND TIME AT ALAMO. ADVISORY PROPAGANDA MEETINGS THAT SELECT PLACES IN THE STATE. WE KNOW WE WERE AT EVERY ONE OF THEM. OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, OUR REVIEW MEETINGS FOR THAT MATTER. THIS IS OUR VOLUNTEER MISSION. THIS IS OUR JOB, THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT. BUT NATIVE AMERICANS YOU RECENTLY BECAME AWARE OF IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD GIVE ALL OF YOU MORE REASON TO RECONSIDER THE REMOVAL OF THE SENATE TAB. IN ADDITION TO THE DISHONOR, THE REMOVING WILL DISPLAY TO THE FALLEN HEROES AND THEIR DESCENDANTS FOR WHICH THE EMPTY TOMB STANDS IN MEMORIAL TO THE ALAMO AND SYNTA ARE THE PRIDE AND JOY OF TEXAS, THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS. OR THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN TO MANY VISITORS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND THEY KNOW THIS STORY, THIS NARRATIVE VERY WELL. THEY TAKE PRIDE IN IT JUST LIKE MOST AMERICANS DO. BUT WHERE IS THIS PRIDE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, IN THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ENDLESSLY VOTES AGAINST, AGAINST THE WISHES AND NEEDS OF CITIZENS IN THE CITY, YET WASTE THEIR TAXPAYERS MONEY ON FRIVOLOUS BUT EXPENSIVE PROJECTS AGENDA. AND THIS $450 MILLION ONE IS A REAL DOOZY. THE LARGE QUESTION, THE MAIN QUESTION TEXAS AND VISITORS WANT AN ANSWER TO IS WHY, WHY IN THE FIRST PLACE DO WE HAVE A CORPORATE LAND GRAB INSTITUTED BY GLOBALISTS AND SOCIALISTS? YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF THE SAME QUESTION. WELL, WE CAN SEE THAT THE FIRST IS BASED ON GREED AND THE SECOND ONE SEEKS TO REWRITE HISTORY IN ALL OF THESE MONOTONOUS PRESENTATIONS WE AND A FEW OTHER TEXANS SUFFERED THROUGH FOR MONTHS. NEVER WAS THIS QUESTION ANSWERED AND THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEFENDERS OF THE ALAMO WHILE THEY TALK ABOUT IS PAVEMENT PARK BENCHES WHILE 15? THEY'RE OKAY WHILE STUFF FULL OF KEYWORDS LIKE REVERENCE, HONOR, AND LAME REASONS FOR THIS SENATE TO US, TO ANY LOCATION. THEY NEVER ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. THEY BASICALLY JUST TOLD PEOPLE THAT THEY WANTED TO DO IT AND IT'S OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. VOTERS NEVER HAD A SAY ON THIS AND THEY DON'T WANT IT. THANK YOU. PAUL GE. PAUL GE FOLLOWED BY TOM JACKSON. RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. CHERYL GE GAS, ALAN GELE, HAVE YOU OTHER TIME GE. GOOD TO GO. THANK Y'ALL AGAIN FOR BEING HERE, ALL OF YOU THIS TIME IT LOOKS LIKE. UM, AND ALSO NOTICE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME NEW FRIENDS HERE, PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T HERE AT THE LAST GO ROUND. THERE'S ALSO SOME PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS. AND UH, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO MAKE THIS SECOND MEETING 'CAUSE IT WAS AT ONE O'CLOCK AND NOT THREE STILL ON THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK WEDNESDAY. SO I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO SPOKEN OUT PRIOR TO. I'M PRETTY SURE THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS, THE LAST GO ROUND, THEIR STATEMENTS STILL STAND. AND OF COURSE THERE'S SOME HERE THAT ARE HERE TO REITERATE HOW THEY FEEL. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ABBREVIATIONS ON THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD GIVE MORE DETAIL ON WHAT HIS PLAN RATHER THAN ABBREVIATING IT AND GIVING OUT LESS DETAILS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CONCERN, [00:50:01] ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE THESE ISSUES, YOU WOULD GIVE OUT MORE DETAILS TO PRESENT YOUR CASE RATHER THAN REDACTING IT AND SHORTENING IT ALL FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO AGREE WITH LEE. THESE ARE VAGUE ANSWERS. THEY'RE ALWAYS VAGUE. IT'S NEVER, IT'S NEVER GREAT DETAIL. THERE'S NEVER A A CERTAIN PLACE WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. THREE LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, TURN IT AROUND, DISRESPECT THE ARTIST AND HOW HE MEANT IT TO SIT. WE HAVE NO, UH, NO REAL CONCERN AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE REAL MEANING BEHIND THE SYNTA. WE'RE JUST GONNA GIVE YOU THE PRETTY PICTURES. WE'RE GONNA GET IT DONE AND GET IT REMOVED AND WE'LL THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING LATER DOWN THE ROAD. UH, THE BANDSTAND. WHERE'S THE BANDSTAND GONNA GO AFTER IT'S MOVED? THAT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN PRESENTED. AND YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION WHERE NO ONE REALLY CARED ABOUT THE BANDSTAND AND NOW SUDDENLY WE BRING TOLD IT'S MOVE TO A SECONDARY LOCATION. I'M GLAD IT'S GONNA GO SOMEWHERE. I JUST HOPE IT MAKES IT IN IT'S MOVE. THIS PLAN WAS APPROVED IN 2018. YES, THIS IS ALL OLD NEWS AND WE'RE HERE TO APPROVE OF A PERMIT TO START DISASSEMBLY. WE SHOULD RETHINK THAT. THAT PLAN WAS RAILROADED THROUGH RUBBER STAMPED, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT. IT WAS NOT REALLY CARED ABOUT TO THE AVERAGE PERSON. THE AVERAGE VOTER OR THE AVERAGE TAXPAYER HERE IN SAN ANTONIO DIDN'T GET A SAY IN IT. AND MOST PEOPLE STILL TO THIS DAY HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. UH, EVERY DAY NEWS STATIONS COVER THIS SUBJECT. SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES COVER THIS SUBJECT AND MORE PEOPLE FIND OUT AND THEIR INCENSE, THEY'RE MAD AND THEY CAN'T BE HERE AT THESE MEETINGS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK. JUST THERE IS COMPLETE D DISREGARD OF THE DECISION WHERE IT SITS FROM THIS TEAM. IF YOU HAD ANY PLANS FOR REVERENCE, THEN YOU WOULD'VE CONSIDERED TO KEEP IT THERE FROM THE START. YOU WOULD'VE NEVER CONSIDERED MOVING. IT DISLODGING IT, REPAIRING IT IN PLACE. THERE IS A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT DONE IN 2014 WHERE IT SAID YOU COULD FIX IT FOR THREE DIFFERENT EXPENDITURES, ALL OF WHICH RECOMMENDED AGAINST MOVING IT ENTIRELY. HOW DO WE FAST FORWARD FROM 2014 TO 2017 AND SUDDENLY EVERYTHING'S PEACHY KEEN IF WE CAN JUST RELOCATE IT AND IT'LL BE FINE. I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT SOME OF YOU ON THIS PANEL, NOT ALL OF YOU, BUT SOME OF YOU THAT WE'VE NOTICED HAVE A COMPLETE DISDAINFUL LOOK UPON YOUR FACE. OR MAYBE YOU THINK IT'S FUNNY THAT SOME OF US, WHAT WE SAY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED AND I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL. AND I THINK HONESTLY, SOME OF YOU THAT DO THAT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CONTINUE TO SERVE HERE. PEOPLE HAVE DRIVEN OUT OF STATE ACROSS THE STATE TO COME HERE FOR THIS ONE DAY AND YOU SHOULD AT LEAST SHOW THEM A LITTLE BIT OF RESPECT AND GRATITUDE AND NOT BE SMILING, LAUGHING, OR EATING WHILE WE'RE SPEAKING. WE HAVEN'T EATEN ALL DAY. WE PROBABLY WON'T UNTIL WE'RE DONE HERE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DRIVE HOME IS THAT Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO STOP THIS. YOU CAN TABLE IT AGAIN AND WE CAN DO THIS MEETING AGAIN TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. WE CAN DO IT AFTER CHRISTMAS WHENEVER YOU WANNA DO. BUT IF YOU FORWARD IT THROUGH, YES, THERE WILL BE BACKLASH. THERE WILL BE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING AND IT'S INEVITABLE. I MEAN, RUMORS FLOATED AROUND FROM THE LAST MEETING AND NOW GEORGE P. BUSH SAYS THAT THERE WON'T BE A STATUE. I'M GREAT THAT AFTER TWO YEARS OF IT BEING A RUMOR, IT FINALLY GOT ADDRESSED. HOW MANY OTHER RUMORS DO WE HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND SCREAM ABOUT BEFORE THEY TOO GET ADDRESSED? WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS THAT WERE FOUND IN BETWEEN THIS LAST MEETING AND THE NEXT? OR ARE THEY NATIVE AMERICANS? THERE'S THREE BODIES THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND. WE'RE GONNA KEEP FINDING BODIES. YOU COULD KEEP THIS LODGING THING. YOU KEEP DIGGING STUFF UP AND I GUARANTEE YOU AN AREA AREA IN THE PLAZA THAT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN 80 YEARS WITH THREE COMPOST SANTOS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT ANNA FRANCISCAN OR SPANISH BURIAL GROUND AS WELL. WE WILL FIND BODIES, YOU WILL FIND THINGS DOWN THERE AND YOU WILL DISTURB MORE BURIAL GROUNDS. THERE IS NO NEED TO CONTINUE THIS PANIC. CAN IT GET RID OF IT? IT'S A SHAM. WE DON'T NEED IT. YOU CAN KEEP THE SYNAP IN PLACE AS PART OF THIS PLAN. AND HONESTLY, WITH ITS MOVEMENT BEING CONSIDERED SO, SO HARDLY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GET A NEW PLAN THAT KEEPS IT IN PLACE? TELL THE PLANNERS, TELL THE DEVELOPERS TO RECONSIDER THIS WHOLE IDEA. MAKE IT MORE REVERENT IN THE LEGITIMATE WAY BY HONORING THE DEFENDER'S MEMORIAL RIGHT WHERE IT SITS RATHER THAN FLIPPING IT AROUND AND DISREGARDING ITS MEANING, ITS PURPOSE AND THE EFFORTS OF THE ARTIST WHO MADE IT. GIVE US MORE. GIVE US MORE. GIVE US MORE DETAILS. MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT. ISN'T THIS THE CITY WE DESERVE? DON'T WE DESERVE TRANSPARENCY? BUT INSTEAD WE HAVE TO SCREAM. ALL OF US HAVE TO SCREAM ABOUT CERTAIN RUMORS TO GET THEM ADDRESSED AND ONLY ONCE THEY GO PUBLIC, WE DON'T EVER GET THE ANSWERS UP FRONT. INSTEAD, WE COME HERE TODAY AND WE GET LESS OF THE PLAN, LESS OF THE PLAN. YOU'RE GONNA CON CONDENSE IT LIKE WE'RE IDIOTS, LIKE WE'RE STUPID. AND YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US LESS DETAILS ON A VERY EGREGIOUS MOVEMENT OF A MONUMENT THAT WAS DEDICATED TO SIT RIGHT WHERE IT IS AND NEVER BE MOVED. THANK Y'ALL AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO YIELD MY TIME OVER TO THE NEXT PERSON. I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE FOR IT, AGAINST IT. LET'S BE NICE AND GIVE 'EM THE REST OF MY TIME. THANK YOU. [00:55:01] UM, TOM JACKSON, FOLLOWED BY DAN JACKSON. CHANDLER. JIM TOM JACKSON. TOM JACKSON. DAN CHANDLER. BEN CHANDLER. OKAY. YES, PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM. FOLLOW THIS. I GOT RID OF THIS OR YOU GOING TO STOP, PROBABLY HEAR ME OUTSIDE MAYBE. I HOPE YOU CAN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ANYTHING. I, GOD TOLD ME TO COME DOWN, BELIEVE IN GOD. I DON'T KNOW IF OR NOT I TELL YOU WHAT. THE DEVIL'S NOT EVER SATISFIED WANT THIS, THIS, HE WANTS, HE WANTS THE MOST ICONIC SYMBOL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. THE VERY HEART, THE ESSENCE OF TEXAS. THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. IF I, IF I MOVE TO MEXICO, AM I GONNA LIVE THERE? WELL, HOW LONG UNTIL I'M KILLED? AND IF MEXICO MOVED HERE, HOW LONG UNTIL I'M KILLED? NONE OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE A, A FUTURE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE ALAMO. THIS ABOUT LIFE AND DEATH. THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING KILLED AND MURDERED AND YOU WOULD BE THE MURDERER. THE SPAGHETTI MONSTER DIDN'T GIVE TEXAS TO AMERICA. IT WASN'T THE MEXICANS. WASN'T THE INDIANS. GOD DID IT. MANIFEST DESTINY. AND I'M HERE TO SAY THIS, WE DEPEND UPON ALMIGHTY GOD TO KEEP THAT SENATOR WHERE IT IS. WE DON'T. AND YOU BETTER PRAY TO ALMIGHTY GOD. EVERY ONE OF US, BETTER PRAY HE CAN GET. AND THIS MATTER ABOUT WHICH WE SPEAK IS YOUR LIFE IN DEATH. WHETHER OR NOT YOU GO TO HELL. ALSO YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN. THESE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A FUTURE BE KILLED. YOU'LL BE MARGARET. I DON'T CARE YOU'RE COLORED. I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE MEXICAN. DON'T IF YOU'RE WHITE. MUCH. DAN CHANDLER, FOLLOWED BY RAMON GARZA, ANN CHANDLER, RAM GARZA. DAN CHANDLER. DAN CHANDLER. DAN CHANDLER. JUST DAN CHANDLER. OKAY. WITH TOM JACKSON HERE. OKAY. AND TOM JACKSON. OKAY, WE'RE MOVING. ONONE GARZA. OKAY, RAM. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS RAMON GARZA. BAD PODIUM'S NOT CENTERED WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD BE. BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER I WAS HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND YOU, BUT MANY PEOPLE I HERE FEEL I'M A DIRECTOR OF THIS TEXAS DREAM FORCES. YOU KNOW, WE ARE ABOUT PROTECTING EVERYTHING TEXAS. NOW I'M ONE PERSON HERE, BUT WE HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS AND MEMBERS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THEY FEEL EXACTLY LIKE WE DO. I ASK THAT THIS COMMITTEE UP HERE DO NOT APPROVE THAT IT'S THAT PERMIT FOR DESTRUCTION OF THE SENATE TAP BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. Y'ALL GONNA DESTROY, THERE'S NO WAY TO MOVE IT. THERE'S NO WAY TO TAKE IT APART. PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AND IT WOULD NOT BE DESTROYED. THERE ARE REPORTS OUT THERE THAT STATE THAT, THAT IT'S, THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. NOW MANY TEXTS FEEL, IF Y'ALL WERE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE RESTORATION IN PLACE, THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. THAT'D BE FINE. WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT. BUT TO, TO APPROVE THE IDEA, TO MOVE THAT SYN TAB TO TURN IT LIKE THESE PEOPLE, THESE OUTSIDERS ARE SAYING OR ASKING THAT THEY WANNA DO IS, IS AGAINST EVERYTHING TEXAS. NOBODY SHOULD APPROVE OF THAT PERMIT TO DESTROY THE CENTER TAB. NOBODY SHOULD APPROVE THAT IF YOUR HEART IS TEXAS BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT SAY, HEY, SPEAK FOR US. 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE HERE FOR THEIR REASONS THAT THEY CAN'T COME BECAUSE OF WORK FAMILY. THEY'RE ACROSS STATE OF TEXAS. I WAS IN WEST TEXAS TALKING TO SOME FOLKS OUT THERE THAT I DO BUSINESS WITH. THEY'RE JUST DISGUSTED THAT SAN ANTONIO IS ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN. WE CANNOT LET IT HAPPEN. AND I KNOW [01:00:01] IT WASN'T Y'ALL EARLIER. WE WERE TOLD THAT IN 2018 THE PLAN WAS POOPED. IT WAS NOT PROVED BY TEXAS. THANK YOU. LUPE GARZA RIVERA CALLED BY JOE MURPHY, LUPE GARZA, RIVERA, LUPE GARZA RIVERA, JOE MURPHY, JOE MURPHY, LUPE RIVERA. JUST SAY LUPE RIVERA. NO GARZA. IT SAYS LUPE GARZA RIVERA. LUPE GARZA RIVERA. IF THERE'S A OKAY WRONG MIDDLE NAME. GOOD AFTERNOON. LUPE RIVERA LANDER AVENUE IN SAN ANTONIO. UH, THE ONLY THING THAT GIVES ME THE HISTORY PART, I ATTENDED LANIER JUNIOR HIGH. JUNIOR HIGH, I BELIEVE TO MY CHILDREN, TO MY GRANDCHILDREN. REDEVELOPMENT, REWRITING HISTORY. AND MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PART OF THE THIS PLAN TO LONG, I DON'T LIKE TO BE CALLED A LIAR. I CAN TELL YOU I'M THIS HISTORY TO ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. JOE MURPHY. JOE MURPHY, UH, FOLLOWED BY STEVE OR STEVE, SORRY. O A JUROR. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME. I AM FROM FREDERICKSBURG, TEXAS AND AFTER 73 YEARS OF GROWING UP TEXAS, PROBABLY ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I COULD'VE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT. WE IMAGINE THAT IS PROBABLY, IT'S JUST INCONCEIVABLE AND I THINK IT'S A HUGE MISTAKE AND YOU CAN TELL THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH THAT. BUT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. WHAT KIND OF LEGACY DECISION GOING TO MAKE? WE ARE SUFFERING A LOT IN HER, IN OUR NATION NOW BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE. AND IF YOU TAKE THIS STEP, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT STEP? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA THINK WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEBODY SAY THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE OF HONOLULU, HAWAII HAS A PLAN TO REIMAGINE PEARL HARBOR AND THEY WANT TO MOVE THE U S S ARIZONA. THAT'S WHERE THIS IS HEADING. STEVE GER. STEVE GER. OKAY. FOLLOWED BY DON DIXON TE THE PORTON. HI. UM, MY NAME CASE LAW AND PRESIDENT RESPECT SHOULD BE SHOWN FOR THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF MONUMENTS DIRECTED BY OUR FOREFATHERS. I CAN'T REMEMBER A TIME NOT SEEING THE SPIRIT SACRIFICE [01:05:06] OUR STATE CAPITAL BUILDING, UM, TO COMMEMORATE CERTAIN TEXAS. IN 2005 SOMEONE COMPLAINED. HISTORY FOREFATHERS IN ANTONIO, THE TWIN CYRUS. UM, THE GRAVE OF THE, UH, PAT THE HORSE. UH, SAN ANTONIO IS SAN ANTONIO, UH, RIVERDALE RIVER 141ST, UH, INFANTRY REGIMENT. HISTORICAL MARKER TO NAME A FEW, UH, I USED . WILL WE? MY NAME IS MORNINGSIDE DRIVE. ANTONIO, LEMME TELL YOU, I'M REPUBLIC RUNNING THE AMO FREE OF CHARGE FOR STATE TEXAS. THE TEXAS. SO THESE PEOPLE, THESE LADIES, AND KEEPING THE ALAMO AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP AGAINST THE LAST IS CHANGING A LOT. YOU'RE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CAN HELP NOT MAKE THESE CHANGES. NOT GOOD. THE DAUGHTERS WERE VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE WITH MANAGING. THEY DID THIS IN 1975 AND THEY HIRED WITH THE MONEY THAT DAUGHTERS HIRED JAMES KE AND THEY REDID KE HAD UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW OF ALMOST SHRINE FROM COMING. SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW, PROBLEMS WITH THANK YOU PASTOR SAM. PASTOR SAM. FOUR MINUTES, JEN'S HAND IS THERE. GEN LOW THERE GO WITH TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU'D LIKE TO READ FROM THE WORD GUNSLINGERS. I PUBLISHED PASTOR SAM'S LATIN AMERICA WAR REPORT AND MIGRANT INVASION NEWS. THIS ISIAH TWO THREE, MY COUNTENANCE BE SAD WHEN THE CITY, A PLACE OF MY FATHER CRUZ LIETH, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GEORGE P. BUSH. HIS INTENTION, THESE CHANGES, A CHANGE WHICH IS ALREADY BEEN REFERRED TO AS A 180 DEGREE SHIP TEXAS IDEALS, GOD AND COUNTRY. OUR FOREFATHERS, THE GOSPEL GUN SLINGERS WHO STOOD UP AND FOUGHT FOR THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES AND ESTABLISHED THIS PLACE. AND I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GENERAL SANTA ANNA. [01:10:01] CAN I GET A BOO FROM TEXAS? I SAID GENERAL SANTA ANNA BOO. I DON'T CONSIDER THIS A U S A VERSUS MEXICO ISSUE 'CAUSE I DON'T CONSIDER GENERAL SANTA ANA TO BE A MEXICAN. SINCE HE TOOK THE COMMISSION AS CAPTAIN FROM THE SPANISH OF FOREIGN AND EXTRA HEMISPHERIC POWER TO FIGHT AGAINST MEXICO, HE FOUGHT TO DEPOSE THREE DIFFERENT MEXICAN PRESIDENTS AND HE OFFERED TO FIGHT TO DEPOSE THE NEEDLE JU AS THE GREAT REFORMER OF MEXICO. I THINK THAT, AND IF YOU LOOK BACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE BUSH FAMILY, I THINK TEXAS HAD ABOUT ENOUGH OF THEM. THEREFORE WARS, THERE'S SHENANIGANS AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA RISE FROM THE GRADE AND IN AND UH, GEORGE PRESCOTT BUSH, YOU KNOW HIS UNCLE DUB STARTED WARS ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND DON'T FORGET, ADDRESS THE ITEMS ON AGENDA. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT GEORGE P BUSH'S MEETING WITH GOVERNOR CBAS DEBACA. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED ON DAVE HODGES THE COMMON SENSE SHOW.COM. THERE IS AN ARMY BEING RAISED AND THE BUSHES ARE PUTTING THIS GOVERNOR UP TO CAUSE CIVIL WAR IN MEXICO THAT'S GONNA SPILL OVER HERE. NOW WE'RE GONNA FORGET THEIR MEMORY AS GEORGE P. BUSH PLAYED THE RACE CARD. I SAY HE'S NOT BROWN, HE'S BLUE BLOODED AND YELLOW BELIED. NAOMI MILLER. NAOMI MILLER. NAOMI MILLER. SARAH HENAN. SARAH HENAN. UM, CAN YOU CONFIRM THERE'S ALSO A JOHN, HE WHO'S CROSSED OUT BUT THEN SAYS SARAH IS DO YOU BOTH WANNA SPEAK? I WAS TIME TO JOHN. OKAY, SO JOHN HENAN, PLEASE COME UP FOUR MINUTES AND HE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY ANGELA SMITH. SMITH. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS JOHN. IS JOHN 80 YEARS OLD, SIX GENERATION NATIVE. THAT INFORMATION PLUS $10. WE'LL BUY YOU A CUP OF STARBUCKS SINUS COFFEE. I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO AND REPRESENT ONLY MYSELF. I'VE BEEN A STUDENT OF ALAMO HISTORY FOR 65. I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT THE PLAN. REMOVE THE ALAMO PROPOSED NEW LOCATION WITH ALL DUE 18 ALAMO DEFENDER. THERE IS NOTHING SACRED. A 1931 PHOTOGRAPH REVEALS MORE THAN A FLOWER AND PLANT FILLED PARK IN ESPANADE SITUATED TO AN ALAMO STREET EAST AND ALAMO STREET. IT WAS THE ONLY AVAILABLE SITE IN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE ALAMO WHERE THE CENTER COULD BE PLACED FOR THAT. COMPETING WITH OTHER BUILDINGS ARE STRUCTURE. IN REALITY POSITION NOT A CAREFULLY STUDIED PLAN. DAVID CROCKETT WAS NOT EXECUTED ON THAT SPOT AND THE LAST STAND OF THE ELMO DEFENDERS DID NOT HAVE THE MOST OF THE DEFENDANTS WERE KILLED. DEFEND THE WALLS ARE FIGHTING INSIDE VARIOUS BUILDINGS. I AND MANY OTHERS HAVE, HAVE CONTINUALLY ADVOCATED FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE 1836 BATTLEFIELD. LESS THAN 5% OF THOSE WALLS REMAIN. 100% OF THOSE WALLS CAN NEVER BE RECREATED. BUT THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THAT RESTORATION CAN HAPPEN IF REMOVED FROM PRESENT LOCATION FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1836 THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO REACH FOR ALAMO PLAZA. HISTORIC PLACE OF RESPECT DESERVES AND HAS NEVER BEEN GIVEN THAT RARE MOMENT OF ALAMO HISTORY MUST NOT BE LOST. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW YOUR VOTE TO BE SWAYED BY THE EMOTIONALLY DRIVEN ARGUMENTS. OPPOSING MOVING THE ARE THE THREAT OF POSSIBLE LITIGATION. THERE ARE NUMEROUS PARTS OF THE ALAMO PLAN I DO NOT SUPPORT. MOVING THE ALAMO SENATE TEST IS NOT ONE OF THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY BEFORE YOU TODAY I REMAIN JOHN L HE. THANK YOU ANGELA SMITH. ANGELA SMITH, FOLLOWED BY CORY HARRIS. POOR [01:15:01] CO HARRIS. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. REPRESENTING MYSELF, I HAVE TO LAUGH AT WHAT WROTE I THE MEMORIAL TO THE HEROES. THE ALAMO SHOULD STAND IN VERY, I WAS VERY CAREFUL OF. HE GOES ON TO SAY THAT IT IS AN HONOR TO SECURE THE SACRED OF ALL TEXAS LANDMARKS AND THE ABILITY TO RE DEEC ATE THAT BLOOD SUSTAINED GROUND IN THE STRUGGLE FOR TEXAS INDEPENDENCE. TO THOSE WHO MAY SACRIFICE KNOWING OF NO HOPE OF LEADING VICTORY OR WANTING TO ESCAPE. BUT WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES ON THAT SPOT. FIGHTING IS GREAT. HERO PERSON MAY BE BORN NOW IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE A WORK THAT HONOR THEM. IT OBJECT. THE LAST TESTIMONY I COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE, THE EARLIER RENDITIONS BEST PRACTICES MAKE IT PREMATURE TO ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT PRIOR TO THE AND THE FACT THAT A PROPER SITE HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED UPON. I WOULD SAY THAT THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED A HIGHLY SUSPECT AND I HAVE TO SAY THEY'LL CALL YOUR INTEGRITY INTO QUESTION. I IMPLORE YOU NOT GRANT THE PERMANENT NECESSARY. CORY HARRIS FOLLOWED BY SUSAN GREEN. SUSAN. MY NAME IS HARRIS HARRIS. TO MOLEST THOSE THAT BLED AND DIED. PEN FREEDOM. AN ABOMINATION IN MOVING THE SACRED MEMORIAL IS TOO GREAT TO ATTEMPT. IT SHOULD BE ABANDONED. THE RISK, I'M SORRY. THERE IS A SAYING THAT SAYS I FEAR THE AND WANTED TO MOVE THE GRAVE MARKER OF YOUR PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS. PICK IT UP, TURN IT AROUND. FACE IT DIRECTION. INAPPROPRIATE. NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY HAS AT ONE TIME BEING ATTEMPTED HERE, ABANDONED SOMEWHERE ELSE. COMMISSIONERS APPROPRIATE MS REQUIRED TO BEGIN COMMISSION. GENERAL LAND OFFICE. ALAMO TRUST [01:20:11] SAN ANTONIO. EVIDENCES EVIDENCE, PHYSICAL REMAINS PHYSICAL OFFENDER HAVE BEEN FOUND IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS COMPLEX SINCE THE 1850S. THIS RECENTLY IS 1979 WHEN SEVERE ALLEN DEFENDER WAS DISCOVERED. MOST RECENTLY, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES REMAINS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. DID NOT DISCLOSE THIS INFORMATION. PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST IS SUBMITTED TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND DO NOT MOVE THE MOVING THE THAT'S TIME. THIS ALL NEEDS TO BE ALLEGED. BEFORE MORE MAJOR DEMO SIDE OF HISTORY. KEN MERCER. KEN MERCER FOLLOWED BY RITA. I AM KEN MERCER, TEXAS, FORMER TEXAS STATE REPRESENTATIVE. THE C HIGHER EDUCATION AND THE HONOR OF CARRYING MEDICAL I'M CONCERN FREEDOM FIGHTERS, FREEDOMS CONDO. HE DECLARED HIMSELF DICT IN UPHOLDING OF THIS OWN SEVEN LAWS. AND THEN HE HAD HIS, HIS MEXICAN MILITARY AND MARCH ELECTED NATIONAL CONGRESS LEGISLATURE. THAT'S WHAT SANTA ANA WAS WHEN HE CAME TO THE ALAMO, HE SAW THE FLAG WITH FULL NUMBERS ON THERE. 1 8, 2 4 CITIZENS CONSTITUTION. HE TORE UP WHEN HE DEFEATED THE, HE EXECUTED ALL SURVIVING COMBATANTS AND TO DENY A CHRISTIAN BURIAL TO DEFENDERS. HE ORDERED ALL BODIES STRIP LOOTED, STACKED AND BURNED. HE DID THE EXACT SAME DAY STRIP AND BURNED. HE AND HIS ARMY WERE NO HEROES ON THE OTHER SIDE. LEMME CONCLUDE. COULD BY AGAIN SAYING THAT I ASKED YOU NOT TO MOVE. LAST THOUGHT. COME TO AUSTIN CLAIMING THAT SANTA ANA CAME TO FREE, THE SLAVES DID NOT COME TO FREE SLAVES NOT TO MAKE DOLORES. FOLLOWED BY MARIA TORRES. MARIA TORRES. GOOD AFTERNOON. OUR CITY LEADERS TELL US THAT ARE FRUSTRATED OF THEIR ORIGINAL PURPOSE PROP. THERE ARE EARLY MEMBERS INSISTED THAT LANDMARKS BE PRESERVED IN PLACE TO REFLECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S ORIGINAL CHARACTER. THE CAF WHERE IT STANDS IS THE CONTEXT FOR THE BLOOD SOAKED SOIL WHERE OUR DEFENDERS DIED. AND THE BURIAL OR THE CONTEXT OF ALAMO PLAZA. THE MOST RECENT EDITION OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSIONS MEDALLION [01:25:01] MAGAZINE STATES THAT TEXAS LAW STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE INTERPRETATION AND TCS HISTORIC CEMETERY PRESERVATION. POOR MC WILLIAMS STATES PLAINLY PUT ONCE A GRAVE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED ON SITE CEMETERY. AS SUCH, DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ALLOWED. RECORDS INDICATE BURIALS INSIDE OUT. THE ALAMO FOOTPRINT THE SENATE HAD IS A HEADSTONE IN THE CEMETERY. IT MARKS WHERE DEFENDERS DREW THEIR LAST BREATH, JUST HIS ROADSIDE MEMORIAL SANCTIONED BY THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. DE ONLY THAT SPOT OF LAND IN ALDO PLAZA HAS A DEED. THE DEED STATE, IF THE SYNAP HAS MOVED, THE LAND REVERTS TO THE STATE AND THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE WANTS IT BACK. THEY WANTED IT AT ANY COST. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TRAVIS PARK MEMORIAL, YOU OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS YOU REPRESENT TO LEARN THE, THE STORY, THE LACK OF DUE PROCESS, THE DAMAGE AND REAL TAXPAYER COSTS. I URGE YOU TO CONTACT ME. THERE IS NO PLAN THAT I COULD SEE AT THE COST OF REMOVING THE SENATE TAX. REPLACING IT. THE HOMEWORK HAS NOT BEEN DONE. 19,000 TEXANS HAVE SIGNED PETITIONS AGAINST THIS PLAN PASS. PHASE ONE, MARIA TORRES IS SOPHIA TORRES HERE AS WELL. WE ACTUALLY THE QUA CHAIN FIRST NATION LINE DESCENDANTS. WE ARE THE FOUNDERS WITH THE FIVE FAMILY FOUNDERS. WE ALREADY TALKED TO YOU ON THE FOURTH. YOU'RE DISRESPECTING US. YOU KEEP DISRESPECTING US. WE QUA MADURA. NOT THE TAM, THE WE ARE NOT THE QUALA FIRST NATION. THERE'S NO SUCH A THING LIKE THAT. OR YOU ARE OR YOU WE CHE ALWAYS TOLD US WITH THE CHE, I ALREADY GIVE YOU THE CEASE AND DISEASE. PUT THIS ONE. THE WHOLE COMPOUND IS A CEMETERY. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE SIX JUDGES TYPOS. THEY HAVE TO DISRESPECT US. THEY RECOGNIZE, GIMME A BREAK. YOU KNOW, HAVE TO BE FAIR. RECOGNIZED. WE HAVE A LOT OF STANDING. THE LAWSUIT IS HERE AND DON'T THREATEN ME. WHERE ARE YOU? SO PLEASE ADDRESS THAT. PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. I'M AGAIN THE PLAZA WITH AMERICAN TILE. LEAVE IT ALONE. GEORGE PBO WITH AMO TRUST. AND AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER MORE REMAINS, MORE BODIES. OCTOBER AND NOW DECEMBER WE SUBMIT AND WE WILL BE HEARD. AND THEY BETTER HURT US. ON THE 29TH, THERE'S A TORICAL COMMISSION BEING HERE'S A CERTIFICATE OF OBAMA CEMETERY WITH THE NEXT TEAM DESCENDANTS. WE HAVE ALL BLOOD QU WE HAVE THE D N A. HERE'S MY DEAR MOTHER, CHE. SHE HAS APPROVED THROUGH THE NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC. THAT'S THE AUTHORITY IN D N A BLACK QUANTUM. WE INDIANS DON'T QUESTION US. WE ARE READY SUE ALL THE AFFIRMATION OF THE INDIAN TREATIES. WE ENTER A 70 40 TREATY AT THE SITE. SO THE POPE IN SPAIN WILL PROTECT OURS, WILL PROTECT OUR BIRDS MARRIAGE. WE RUN OUTTA HERE MEXICO AND WE PROUD OF IT. THERE ARE THE RULE OF LAW AND YOU DON'T LIKE A CHIEF AND COMMANDER OR PRESIDENT SPOKE ON THE 24TH OF OCTOBER AND THE UNITED NATIONS IN REFERENCE OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM SUMMIT INDICATE TO ANY NATION TO COME FORWARD AND PERSECUTE ANYBODY THAT DESTROYED RELICS DRAWINGS, SECRET GROUNDS. THE LETTER IS ALREADY WITH HIM. SO AGAIN, I ASK YOU, DO NOT APPROVE THIS PERMIT. WE ARE IN LITIGATION, DON'T YOU ARE. HERE ARE MARTINEZ. I'M SUBMITTING ALSO THE BRIEF FOR THE ALAMO DEFENDERS. WE SUPPORTING THE PETITION. I'M [01:30:01] BEING IN THAT COURT WITH QUA. WE NEVER WIN. WE PREVAILED. WE PREVAILED FOR THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE AND DON'T THREAT. I'M TELLING YOU, KILLIAN, I WOULD PUT CHARGES AGAINST AS I WAS WALKING. THESE WOMEN DON'T HAVE A, I HAVE NEVER HEARD YOU SPEAK WOMEN. WE STRONG WOMEN. WE A SAY WE HAVE RIFLES, WE HAVE GUNS. OKAY, WE HAVE TO DO IT. SO AGAIN, SEE WE ARE IN AVIATION. THAT'S YOUR TIME. MA GEORGE HART. GEORGE PARKOUR. GEORGE HART. GEORGE HARCORT. FOLLOWED BY FOREST BIAS. THE FOREST BIAS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS GEORGE HARCOURT. I LIVE AT EIGHT 10 WILSHIRE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. BUT ALSO WHAT'S FOR YOU TODAY. THINK IT WILL HELP US MOVE FORWARD A BETTER ALAMO BATTLEGROUND IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. THE VISITORS NOW, THEY LOOK ACROSS THERE. TREES, MARBLE SLAB, PUTTING THAT MARBLE SLAB IS REVERED. C AND A LOCATION WHICH IS BETTER FOR IT. STILL CONNECTED TO THE ALAMO BENEFIT TEXAS AND OF COURSE SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU GRA THANK YOU. FOLLOWED BY DARWIN BOKER. DARWIN BOCHER. HELLO. HOLA. UH, MY NAME'S FORRES BY ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF ANDREW KEMP DEFENDER. HE FOUGHT THE BATTLE. GONZALEZ WAS A JUDGE FOR TWO DELEGATES TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. ALSO FOUGHT IN THE SIEGE IN BATTLE BEAR. HE WAS ONE OF THE IMM IMMORAL 32. HE ANSWERED TRAVIS'S FAMOUS LETTER AND RE, HIS NAME IS THE FIRST ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF. I WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST MOVING THE S HALF PLAN CALLED FORT CREEK CREEK PLACE TO MARKET STREET PARK. IN AT THAT LOCATION IT WOULD BE OUTTA SIGHT. PEOPLE WOULDN'T WANT AND IT WOULD BE RIP FOR TAGGERS AND VANDALS. THE CURRENT LOCATION THE PLAN HAS IS MUCH BETTER. AND THE RESTORATION AND LOCATION. LOCATION THERE WILL ENHANCE MEANING PLAZA. THIS FOUR YEAR PROCESS HAS CULMINATED WITH MUCH GIVE AND TAKE WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTING FOR IT IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE APPROVING IT IN SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR. YOUR COMMITTEE AND PLANNING APPROVING IT IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. AND FINAL COUNCIL VOTE APPROVING IT. I HOPE YOUR CONSIDERATION IS TO APPROVE THIS. WE PROJECT TO TRULY HONOR ALAMO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON. RICK BRISCO, I'M SORRY, DARWIN BODECKER. DARWIN FOLLOWED BY RICK BRISCO. IT'S ACTUALLY ECKER, BUT BODECKER IS OKAY. THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. MY NAME'S DARWIN ECKER AND I LIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. ANTONIO, I CAME DOWN HERE IN GOOD FAITH. I'M EMBARRASSED TO SAY THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING ONE OF THESE, UH, MEETINGS AS A TEXT. AND I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS GOING ON A LONG TIME AGO. AND AGAIN, I'M EMBARRASSED THAT I ONLY FOUND OUT AS OF TWO MONTHS AGO. AND, UH, I, I FOUND MYSELF THIS MORNING SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE I'D RATHER DO THAN BE DOWN HERE THIS MORNING WITH THE GREAT HOPE THAT IT WAS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE YOU COME DOWN HERE AND ENOUGH PEOPLE SPEAK TO YOU AND IT SWAYS YOUR MIND. I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THOUGH, THAT THOSE DREAMS WERE SHATTERED THIS MORNING WHEN I WITNESSED Y'ALL THIS MORNING WITH TWO YOUNG LADIES. THE BUILDING PERMITS OR WHATEVER THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING MAKE LEGITIMATE, BRING UP LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT PLANS AND DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THE PEOPLE BACK HERE IN THE NICE SUITS WE'RE ALL FOREGOING AHEAD. THESE LADIES BROUGHT UP LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AS FAR AS A PERSON WOULD KNOW. I MEAN, I WAS JUST SITTING THERE LISTENING, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. I HEARD ONE PERSON SAY, OKAY, LET'S MOTION TO MAKE SOME MONEY. [01:35:01] SOMEBODY SAID, I SECOND TO MAKE SOME MONEY. THEY SAID, ALL THE PEOPLE WANNA MAKE SOME MONEY, SAY, AYE, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF EYES AND THAT WAS IT ON TWO DIFFERENT PLANS. SO IT BREAKS MY HEART KNOWING THAT I CAME DOWN HERE AND EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE SENATE THEFT IS GONNA FALL ON DEAF EARS ANYWAYS BECAUSE I FOUND THAT Y'ALL ALREADY MADE Y'ALL'S MIND UP ALREADY. THEY'RE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE NECESSARY PROCESSES. SO PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF THAT ARE ASHAMED TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING NOW FINALLY FIND OUT AND IT'S TOO LATE. AND NOTHING THAT I'VE SEEN HERE THIS MORNING GIVES ME HOPE THAT ANY ONE OF US ARE GONNA SWAY Y'ALL'S MIND ABOUT MAKING MONEY BECAUSE THE ONLY REASON THAT THING MOVES IS FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE SOME MONEY. PERIOD. BRISCO. RICK BRISCO RICK BRUSCO, FOLLOWED BY MARK G. MARK G MY NAME IS RICK BRISCOE. 14 8 0 ANTONIO, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS SENIOR OPPOSITION TO THE PLAN. ENTER THIS QUESTION FOR YOURSELF. WHY ARE YOU CONSIDERING STRIKINGLY SIMPLY THE CITY AND THE G L O CANNOT PROCEED WITHOUT YOUR YOUR HANDS. IT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED. NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED. THIS PLAN IS YOU'LL CONSIDER HALF BAKED PREMISED ON FALSE IDEAS, DENIES PEOPLE ACTS. THE ENTHRALL IS KNOWN AS ONE OF THE TWO GREAT LAST STANDS. THE OTHER BEING TELL THE PERSIANS COME AND TAKE THEM. THEIR ARMS MOVING THE TOP AND IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. CONSIDER THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL EXPENSES AND FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THERE IN NO ADEQUATE STUDY OF THE CONDITION THE CITY SITES THAT IT'S IN POOR CONDITION. WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE NEGLECTED THEIR DUTY. THE CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 18 SECONDS. THAT'S NOT A VALID REASON TO MOVE. THERE ARE I GOD BLESS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. THANK THIS SAYS MARK. LETTER G IS THERE LAST NAME MARK. LETTER G AS . HEY, MARK G IS FOLLOWED BY UM, MARK G HECKARD. DAVE HECKARD M NEAR. SO I HAVE MY PHONE. MY NAME IS MARK G. MY ISSUE WITH THE ALMO MASTER PLAN IS REMOVAL OF THE SENATE HALF AND DISTURBING NATIVE AMERICAN BARREL GRANT. THE COMPOUND REMAINS, THE THREE BODIES WERE DISCOVERED, A BABY AND AN ADULT DURING THANKSGIVING WEEK AND A TEENAGER DURING DECEMBER 3RD. BUT THE OUTLETS COVERED A STORY UNTIL DECEMBER 13TH. ANYWHERE ELSE IN TEXAS, A A CEMETERY IS ON EARTH, THEY CONTACT THE FAMILIES AND THEY DO D N A TESTING. WELL, AREN'T YOU GONNA DO THAT? THE ALAMO, PRESIDENT OF THE ALAMO DEFENDER'S DEENS DEFENSE ASSOCIATION, LEE SPENCER, WHITE STATES AFTER BONE BRADLEYS ARE UNDER INSIDE THE ALAMO CHURCH AND LONG BARRACKS. IN OCTOBER, 2019, PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD RECOGNIZED THAT ALAMO'S SIGNIFICANCE LIKE FIRST LADY MELANIA, GOD BLESS HER IN HER CLOTHES WHEN A MINI ALAMO WAS PLACED NEAR A GINGERBREAD WHITE HOUSE CELEBRATING US LANDMARKS. WHAT CAN SHE OR THE WORLD RECOGNIZE WHEN THE MONUMENT DEDICATED TO THOSE OFFENDERS AND THE DEAD BURIED THERE? BE ENCROACHED UPON LIKE HEAT REPLACING MUSIC PARKS. RIGHT? WHAT WILL MELANIA IN THE WORLD SAY ABOUT THE SECRECY, MISINFORMATION AND DISORGANIZATION SURROUNDING TEXAS'S MOST ICONIC A SITE? THIS IS NOT DISNEYLAND, THIS IS A SACRED BATTLEGROUND. MEN WERE SLAUGHTERED HERE, THEIR CORPSES BURNED. THE SENATE TAP IS BUILT ON THAT BLOOD OF THE DEFENDERS AND A NATIVE AMERICAN BUREAU GROUND SHOULD BE LEFT IN KEYS. CROCKETT CHAVEZ ESPARZA AMONG THE 180 TO 250 MORE MEN, THOUGH THEIR NUMBERS WERE SMALL, [01:40:01] KNEW THAT THE COSTS WERE LIBERTY WAS WORTH FIGHTING FOR AND THEY DEFENDED THAT CAUSE TO THE VERY END. AND NOW 183 YEARS LATER, IT IS TIME THAT WE DEFEND THEM. THANK YOU. DAVE HACKER, DAVE HACKER, ALLOWED BY NATALIE NATHAN, NATHAN, DAVE HECKERT, 1600 SOUTH LAKELINE BOULEVARD, CEDAR PARK. JUST IN CASE ANYBODY'S COMING UP FOR LUNCH. I'M HERE WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I'M NOT A NATIVE TEXT. WE GOT HERE IN 2012, BUT IN 1975 DID GET A COPY OF TRAVIS'S LETTER WHEN I VISITED THE I'M HERE AS A VETERAN. I'VE LOST FRIENDS OR COLLEAGUES IN EGYPT, PAKISTAN, IRAQ, KUWAIT, AND AFGHANISTAN. AND I STILL CANNOT COMPREHEND HOW YOU'RE CONSIDERING MOVING A MEMORIAL ON TOP CEMETERY WHERE MEN FOUGHT, LED, AND DIED. TO ME, THAT JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. SENSE AS ONE GENTLEMAN ITERATING, UH, EARLY ON, EVERYBODY HERE, INCLUDING THE CITY GOVERNMENT, WORKS FOR THE CITIZENS. AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HAD YET HAD A WHOLE VOICE IN THE SAY OF THIS ISSUE, I REQUEST RESPECTFULLY THAT YOU DELAY ANY DECISION ON GRANTING THE CERTIFICATE, REMOVING THE SANTA TAP UNTIL AFTER THE LITIGATION IS COMPLETE. PLEASE DO THAT. TO HONOR THE TEXANS WHO DIED, HONOR THE TEXANS LIVING IN FUTURE GENERATIONS. THANK YOU. NATALIE. NATHAN FOLLOWED NATALIE RUSTY MAY DUSTY MAYOR, GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL TODAY. APPRECIATE. MY NAME IS NATALIE. I LIVE AT 2 3 2 2 5 EAGLE GAP HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. FOR THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, I'VE TRAVELED TO ABOUT 75 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES, STRIKES ME MOST ABOUT THIS ISSUE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO IS THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN ANY OTHER COUNTRY. IF I WERE IN EGYPT AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THE PYRAMIDS FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF I WERE IN PARIS AND SOMEONE WHO'S TALKING ABOUT THE EIFFEL TOWER AND WELL, IT'S JUST NOT IN A GOOD LOCATION. OR WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SET SOME THINGS UP THERE TO MAKE IT MORE PROFITABLE. DO YOU THINK ANY OF THE PARISIANS WOULD VOTE FOR THAT? NO. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE WORLD ARE DIVISIVE. BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING, WHEN I TELL PEOPLE THAT I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, THEY KNOW WHERE THAT IS. OTHER THAN SAYING THEY KNOW WHO THE SPURS ARE, I THINK IS REALLY, REALLY FANTASTIC. THEY KNOW ABOUT THE RIVER WALK AND THEY KNOW ABOUT THE ALAMO. AND THE THING ABOUT THE ALAMO FOR THEM AS A GENTLEMAN BACK HERE, EXPLAINED IT'S PART OF WORLD HISTORY, NOT JUST TEXAS HISTORY OR SAN ANTONIO HISTORY. AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO REALLY REMEMBER THAT WE DON'T WANT IT, WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, IMPAIR OR CHANGE OR TAKE AWAY SOMETHING THAT IT'S A PART OF OUR HISTORY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU RUSTY MANN. RUSTY FOLLOWED BY MICKEY KILLIAN. GOOD AFTERNOON, RUSTY MAHAN, 6 41 VARIABLE VER TEXAS IN SAN ANTONIO AREA SINCE 65, SEVENTH GENERATION TEXAN. UM, YOU GUYS ARE TEXAS AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND W TEXAS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S BEEN VOTED ON THE PAST CAN SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WE'RE STAYING HERE AND WE'RE GONNA FLIGHT. UM, TRUST IS A REAL ISSUE, GUYS. THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENT IN TRAVIS PARK SAT THERE FOR 15 YEARS AGO. NOBODY HARMED. THE MEETINGS WERE CUT SHORT. WE DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A REASONABLE RESPONSE. WE WERE NOT GIVEN THIS KIND OF A CHANCE TO STAND UP AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S HAVE ROBERTO PERSONALLY TWICE IF YOU GUARANTEE THAT I WOULD BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIM AND HIS STAFF AND WHAT WOULD BE DONE HONORABLY WITHOUT CONFEDERATE MONUMENT. INSTEAD IN, UH, THE DARKNESS OF THE NIGHT, ALAMO CRANE CAME AND DISGUISED FOR HIM, LIFTED THE MONUMENT UP, BROKE THE RIFLE, [01:45:01] PUT A HOLE IN THE SHAFT, JACK HAMMERED THE ARTIFACTS BOX, LEFT IT OUT TO GET RAINED ON, AND WE'RE GONNA TRUST OUR CITY LEADERS TO DO RIGHT WITH THE ALAMO CENTER PATH. THE MOST, THE MOST SACRED PIECE OF TEXAS HISTORY. I'M A HISTORY TEACHER, GUYS, THIS IS WRONG. NOW IT'S DISINGENUOUS. IF YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT, IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO SAY WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT A MONUMENT TO CREATE A BETTER BATTLEFIELD AND PUT PARK BENCHES AND TREES IN SERIOUSLY. WHERE IS YOUR, WHERE IS THIS GOING? PARK BENCHES AND TREES. WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUT A MONUMENT OUTTA A BATTLEFIELD TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE 1836. WE'RE GONNA PUT PARK BENCHES AND TREES IN IF YOU WANNA DO THIS RIGHT, TAKE OUT THE ARCH WALL ON THE RIGHT OF THE CHAPEL, BUILD THE SECOND STORY ON THE LONG BARRACKS, PUT THE PALISADES BACK UP, CLOSE DOWN ALAMO STREET, DOWN TO ONE LANE. MAKE IT UNIFORM SURFACE SO THAT IT CAN BE SEEN AS A MORE UNIFIED AREA. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. UM, SO MICKEY KILLIAN, RAMON VAZQUEZ, JOSE MARCIA AND JESUS, JESUS IEZ HAVE ALL YIELDED TIME TO ART MARTINEZ. THAT'S TOO MANY PEOPLE. SO TWO OF TIME TO ART MARTINEZ AND THEN THE OTHERS CAN SPEAK. OKAY? OKAY. SO, UH, FOUR MINUTES, SIX MINUTES. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ART MARTINEZ. I LIVE AT S 3 1 9 VAR ARMY ROAD IN V ARMY, TEXAS. I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE TAKE PLOM CALLED TECH NATION SAN ANTONIO MISSION CEMETERY ASSOCIATION, AND THE INDIVIDUAL LITIGANTS OF THE FEDERAL LAWSUIT AGAINST THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, THE AVO TRUST, UH, THE CITY AND, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. UH, FOR CLARITY, UH, NO OTHER SPEAKER REPRESENTS THE MCO NATION OF THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION FOR YOU TODAY. UH, I WAS DESIGNATED EITHER REPRESENTED REPRESENTATIVE. THE ISSUES BEFORE THE FEDERAL COURT ARE NUMEROUS, BUT I'LL NARROW MY ADDRESS ONLY THE ISSUES BEFORE, SPECIFICALLY THE ISSUES OF REPOSITIONING SENATE, TAFT STREET CLOSURES AND LANDSCAPING PROPOSAL. THE FIRST ISSUE OF IMMEDIATE CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT THE ALAMO COMPLEX IS A CEMETERY DESPITE THE DENIALS OF THE G L O AND CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CITY ATTORNEY WHO MADE THAT ABSURD PROPOSITION TO THIS TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, OVER 1000 ENTRIES EXIST IN THE BARREL RECORDS OF MISSION VALERO AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION. AMONG THESE RECORDS IS A NOVEMBER 17TH, 1749 19 OF THE BLESSING AND CONSECRATION OF A CATHOLIC CEMETERY ON THE SITE. AT PRESENT, THERE ARE FOUR KNOWN CEMETERY LOCATIONS ON THE SITE ESTABLISHED BY ARCHIVAL, ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. THE FIRST IS NEAR AND UNDER THE FEDERAL BUILDING WHERE OVER 30 BODIES WERE EXHUMED DURING ITS CONSTRUCTIONS, THEN ADJACENT TO THE LONG BARRACKS EXTENDING INTO THE PLAZA. UH, THE THIRD IS, IS THE CURRENT CHAPEL AND IT'S STANDING OUT TO ITS COURTYARD. THE REASON FOR THESE VARIOUS LOCATIONS, UH, IS THE USE OF TEMPORARY CHAPELS EARLY IN THE MISSION'S HISTORY. AND LASTLY, THERE'S AN AREA, AN UNKNOWN AREA OUTSIDE THE WALLS OF THE MISSION, WHICH WAS OBSERVED FOR THE UNT AND IS NOTED IN THE MISSION RECORDS. IT'S MOST LIKELY SOUTH OF THE CHAPEL COURTYARD, THE AREA NEAR WHERE THE SANITA RELOCATION BEING COMPOSED. ADDITIONAL BARRELS ARE KNOWN ON THE SIDE, INCLUDING NUMEROUS UNREPORTED BURIALS, UH, IN THE 1828 COLLAR EPIDEMIC. COURT OFFENDERS AND OTHER REFERENCES FIND HIS IN 2005. THE CEMETERY WAS RECORDED IN THE BEXAR COUNTY CEMETERY SURVEY AS CEMETERY ID. BX C 2 99 CLEARLY EXISTS. IT APPEARS ON THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION HISTORICAL SITES AS AN ARCHEOLOGY ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE ATLAS WITH THE SAME CEMETERY ID NUMBER IN THERE. IT'S DEFINED AS OCCUPYING THE TOTALITY OF THE CURRENT ALAMO PLAZA. UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE TOP P LAM COAL TECH AND NATION HAVE CONDUCTED TWO RE BURIALS THEMSELVES, ONE IN THE MISSION CHAPEL AND ANOTHER ADJACENT TO THE CROCKETT BUILDING. JUST TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THE CHILD, WHEN THE, UH, REMAINS OF AN INDIAN CHILD WERE DISCOVERED, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION EXHIBITS, UH, HAS RECENTLY DEFINED THE BOUNDARY OF THE MISSION CEMETERY IN ITS DECLARATION OF DEDICATION. DATED JUNE 21ST, 2019 IN RECORDED REAL PROPERTY RECORDS OF BEXAR COUNTY, TEXAS. PLEASE SIR, ON THE BACK THEY'LL SEE A MAP OF THE CEMETERY, THE LINE BOUNDARY ALAMO STREET, AND GOING ALONG THE BACK OF THE ALAMO CHAPEL C STREET. I'LL REMIND YOU THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 6 3 4 [01:50:02] UNDER CEMETERY SAYS THAT THE HISTORICAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION SHALL BE GOVERNED IN ITS RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN TEXAS STATE LAW FOR CEMETERIES EXCLUDING BURIAL PERMITS. AND THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN REFERENCE TO ANY KIND OF BURIAL PERMIT. TWO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT MUST COMPLY WITH THE HEALTH, TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE REGARDING THE ARCHEOLOGICAL PROCEDURES FOR THE IMPACT TO REMOVAL OF ENTERED HUMAN REMAINS. HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE 7 7 1 0 1 0 TITLED, ABANDONED UNKNOWN UNCERTAIN UNVERIFIED CEMETERY STATES VERY CLEARLY THE OWNER OF PROPERTY ON WHICH AN UNKNOWN CEMETERY IS DISCOVERED, OR IN WHICH AN ABANDONED CEMETERY IS LOCATED MAY NOT CONSTRUCT IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY IN A MANNER IN WHICH WE DISTURB THE CEMETERY UNTIL THE HUMAN REMAINS ENTERED IN THE CEMETERY ARE REMOVED UNDER A WRITTEN ORDER ISSUED BY THE STATE REGISTER OR THE STATE REGISTER'S DESIGNEE UNDER SECTION SO-AND-SO, OR BY A COURT ORDER. STAFF HAS MADE A FINDING THAT REPOSITIONING OF THE SENATE TAF MAY OVERLAY THIS HISTORIC CEMETERY. THE PROPOSED STREET CLOSERS CERTAINLY OVERLAY THE CEMETERY. IN ADDITION, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO PLANT A HUNDRED TREES WILL AFFECT THE UNDERLYING CEMETERY ROOT BULBS OF AT LEAST FIVE FEET PER TREE. FUTURE ROOT SYSTEMS WILL IMP PENETRATE THE EXISTING CEMETERY AND THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAYS ELOQUENTLY PLANTING TREES A PLAZA IS ANACHRONISTIC AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HISTORICAL PLAZA, THE CEMETERY. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION? WE'RE ASKING THIS COMMISSION THAT THE APPLICANTS BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE A CEMETERY BOUNDARY DELINEATION STUDY AND AN ARCHIVAL ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AS WERE PERFORMED AT BOTH MILAM PARK AND SANTA ROSA HOSPITAL FOR THEIR UNKNOWN CEMETERIES. IN THIS WAY, THE COMMITTEE AND THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE BURIALS ARE AND WHERE CONSTRUCTION CAN BE PERFORMED IN A MANNER PRESCRIBED BY LAW TO AVOID INTERFERED WITH CEMETERY. ADDITIONALLY, THE TOP PIAM COAL TECHNICATION AGREES WITH THE ALAMO DEFENDER DEFENDANTS ASSOCIATION THAT THE SENATE HALF IS A ARY MONUMENT ERECTED IN THE HISTORIC MISSION BELOW A CEMETERY AND SHOULD BE LEFT UN MOLESTED AS SUCH. NUMBER TWO, THE HUMAN REMAINS PROTOCOLS ADOPTED BY THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT DO NOT CONFORM WITH THE CITY'S UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT CODE OR STANDARD ARCHEOLOGICAL PRACTICE. 15 SECONDS. WE ASK THAT THE APPLICANTS BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE U D C IN PARTICULAR SECTION 1 0 6, THE TORICAL PRESERVATION ACT, WHICH REQUIRES LINEAL, DESCENDANTS AND AFFILIATED GROUPS TO BE CONSULTING PARTIES ON THE CROSS HAVE THE MISSION INDIANS AND THE ALAMO DEFENDERS BEEN ALLOWED TO, TO PARTICIPATE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD BE IN THIS POSITION OR IN A FEDERAL LAWSUIT. THANK DO JOSE, MARCIA OR JESUS. MARCIA JESUS . WHAT IS YOUR NAME? ANDREA. WE WILL MOVE ON TO EMILY DOHERTY. UM, MS. DOHERTY HAS A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED IN AS WELL. I HAVE AMANDA ALVAREZ, DESTINY GALVEZ, BECKY, YOU SHERIDAN, CINDY HEALER, AND SKYLAR NEWMAN WHO HAS SIGNED IN. BUT I CAN ONLY GIVE TO OF YOU DO ANYTHING YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN ADDITION. OKAY? SO SIX MINUTES FOR EMILY. OKAY? OKAY. OKAY. MY NAME IS EMILY EZ JOVI. CLAREMONT REPRESENT COMPANIES CARRIAGE OPERATOR OF FOUR YEARS CURRENTLY CARRIAGE. I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. [01:55:09] MOST IMPORTANTLY IMPORTANT PARKING SPOTS. WE PARK, PEOPLE WALK UP TO US, THEY TAKE A, IF YOU TAKE AWAY 15, HAVE ANYWHERE TO DO BUSINESS. SEE IF I CAN PULL THIS UP. RECEIPT. 'CAUSE I NEEDED MY NOTES AS WELL. SO, UM, I HAVE GONE TO A RECENT CLOSURE MEETING. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IN EARLY JANUARY, HAVE A COMMERCIAL LOADING ZONE ON PLAZA. THERE ARE TWO NORTHBOUND LANES CURRENTLY, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ONE OF THOSE NORTHBOUND LANES AND CLOSE IT. SO PART OF IT WILL BE A COMMERCIAL LOAD, CURRENT BUS STOP COMMERCE. THEY ARE GIVING, UM, CROCK STREET AT NIGHT REPLACEMENT, THE PARKING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PROVIDE US. UM, LET ME, OKAY, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, UM, ON THIS FIRST PICTURE. THIS APPROXIMATELY ALREADY PREVIOUS CHANGES PREVIOUS. THAT'S ONE AND TWO. THIS IS RIGHT AROUND WHERE THE STARBUCKS'S FOR. SO NINE PEOPLE NOW DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO HISTORY. EIGHT YEARS SAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I HAVE TOLD OVER 100 RIDES. I TAKEN OVER HUNDRED RIDES SINCE I MET LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO ON DECEMBER 4TH FROM EL PASO, WEST HOUSTON, EL PASO COLLEGE STATION, DALLAS OF NORTH CAROLINA, PENNSYLVANIA, COLORADO, COLORADO, E FLORIDA. I TELL THEM THE PLAN. HOW DOES THE SENATE HAVE TO HONEST TO GOODNESS NO ONE HAS EVER. AND SO SAYS, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO MOVE? WHY CAN'T WE LEAVE IT HERE? THEY'RE NOT EVEN, AND IT REPRESENTS, [02:00:03] LET'S NOT CLOSE. THE LINDA JIMENEZ. LINDA JIMENEZ, FOLLOWED BY ANGIE. ANGIE MCGUIRE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, I'M LINDA JIMENEZ, JIM TRIBAL COUNCIL. I WANNA REMIND YOU, ESTABLISHED OUR REPRESENTATIVE, RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PLAN. ALMOST RE RE FOLLOWED BY KYLE BIMAN, BIMAN ANTONIO, GIVE MY SUPPORT RENOVATION VOTERS. WE ARE ALL VOTERS. ALSO ABOUT ADDING NAMES TO, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, TO THE, UH, MEMO MEMORY OF THE OPPOSING SIDE. THAT IS LIKE ADDING MONUMENT IN JAPAN FOR THE HARBOR, THE ONE THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BOMBING. SO DON'T DO THIS, WE WILL NEVER FORGET WE VOTE. KYLE BIERMAN, FOLLOWED BY KYLE LOPEZ. LOPEZ, SENIOR PETERMAN RECEIVE GEORGE RODRIGUEZ. THANK YOU. GEORGE RODRIGUEZ. HERE. GEORGE RODRIGUEZ. UM, WE'LL HAVE TO GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES MR. AND GEORGE RODRIGUEZ, HE JUST LEFT STATE REPRESENTATIVE. I JUST ASKED FOR GRACE TO GIMME THE FOUR MINUTES PLEASE. GEORGE RODRIGUEZ. GEORGE RODRIGUEZ. GEORGE RODRIGUEZ IS NOT PRESENT. RODRIGUEZ, WHAT IS YOUR [02:05:01] NAME, SIR? OH, LUKE. OKAY. LUKE MEYER HAS GUILTY. LUKE MEYER. THANK YOU. LUKE NAME. HE ALSO OWN REPRESENTATIVE. THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON THAT WE HAVE, I WANNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. ABOUT 86 LEGISLATIVE SESSION. WE KEEP HEARING HOW PEOPLE'S VOICES AND HE'S, WELL, I HAD A HEARING RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN TOM CALLED A HEARING TO LEARN ABOUT THE AMO PLAN SINCE WE OVERSEE THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AGENCY. SO OUR, OUR CHAIRMAN ASKED FOR BUSH AS WELL AS MAYOR NIERENBERG. GEORGE BUSH TESTIFY BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE. DO YOU THINK EITHER ONE OF THEM? OF COURSE NOT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU, THE DIRECTOR OF HISTORIC GUTLESS SHARON CAME GREATLY. SHE COULDN'T ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE TO HER YOU'RE HEARING TODAY THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE HEARING TODAY. SHE COULDN'T ANSWER A LOT OF QUESTIONS. OF COURSE GEORGE ATTORNEY. IT'S A SHAME. THAT'S WHY OFFICIALS, THIS PLAN IS BECAUSE I ASKED TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM IN THE SAME ROOM TO TELL US ABOUT THE PLAN. IT'S A SHAME. IT'S A SHAME. I SENT THIS LETTER TO, UM, LAST WEEK. NO RESPONSE, NO TO, THESE ARE THE THINGS DON YOU'VE EVER WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. THE UP NEXT IS ACTUALLY RAYMOND HERNANDEZ. IT'S RAYMOND HERNANDEZ. RAYMOND HERNANDEZ. RAYMOND HERNANDEZ, UM, JENNIFER LOPEZ. JENNIFER LOPEZ. CAN I SEE YOUR HANDS? AND I AM RAYMOND HERNANDEZ. SORRY. RAYMOND HERNANDEZ ASK YOU, I SERVED IN COMMITTEE [02:10:01] AND THE CONCLUSION I FOUGHT AGAINST IT. A LOT OF LOS GENERATIONS BACK. BACK. NOW YOU GO BACK 10 GENERATIONS. YOU JUST SENT THOUSAND 24 PEOPLE. SO I GOT 1725. HIS WIFE THE FOLLOWING YEAR. IT IS PERSONAL TO ME, NOT BECAUSE CHALLENGE THE LAW AS SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. RE YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART. CEMETERIES ARE IMPORTANT. A LOT OF THEM HAVE UNDERSTAND THAT THE OFFICE BEEN BUILT OVER SOME OF THE CEMETERIES. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE NOT ASKING TO CE WERE [02:15:01] BE CAREFUL. IT'S TEXAS HISTORY. SOME OF OUR FAMILIES. THIS THE MAKING OF TEXAS WHERE I BELIEVE AND WHAT OUR FAMILIES DID PRIOR OUR FAMILY SERVICE. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MY FAMILIES, I JUST FAMILIES THAT HAVE SERVED IN THE MILITARY, WE WAR VIETNAM VETERAN, MY DAUGHTER, DESERT STORM AND SON AND IRAQ, VIETNAM. THIS IS CHRISTIANS A CATHOLIC CEMETERY DESCEND HERE, SIR BOB TOME. BOB TOME. BOB TOME FOLLOWED TO, FOLLOWED BY JACK AND FINGER. BOB, SO YOU POOR JACK AND FINGER. THANK YOU SIR. MY NAME'S BOB TOME. COME TO ANY OF THE SESSIONS UNTIL NOW. 10TH GENERATION. MY FAMILY GRANDFATHER ANTONIO GRANDFATHER'S ARM, THEY FOUGHT, IT'S A GRASS WAR AND TWO OF THAT WAS DEF SMITH. WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ASK, I DON'T KNOW Y'ALL AT ALL, ANY OF YOU. IT'S VERY PERSONAL. BOSTON, WE HAVE A LANDMAN, THE GENTLEMAN IN AUSTIN, MR. BUSH NEGATIVE. AND I KNOW THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR, GREG, WHEN YOUR GREAT GRANDPARENTS, IT GETS BURNED AND LEFT TO ROT AND EAT BY THE CROWS. AND JACK AND FINGER JACK AND FINGER BILL, BRENDA, MR. CHAIR, ANOTHER MEMBERS OF SENIOR DIRECTOR, YOU SAY, OF COURSE YOU HAVE CONTROL YOU TO MAKE A MOTION. [02:20:01] MOTION. COUNSEL, A BIG MISTAKE HAS BEEN MADE. NUMEROUS PLUS HAS ALREADY ONE. THE DANGER, HE ANOTHER BIG RED FLAG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CARLOS. BILL BRIND. BILL BRENT. BY RAY HOWARD. FOR RAY HOWARD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. I AM A MEMBER AND I'VE SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. I ALSO REPRESENT AS A GENTLEMAN, DAMIEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. PEOPLE, UH, THERE WERE MANY REASONS THAT I VOTED IN FAVOR AS ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN 2018. AND I REMAIN IN FAVOR OF I WILL CONTINUE TO BE A VOICE OF CARE, CONCERN AND COMPROMISE AS THE COMMITTEES TO DETAILS OF THE PLAN AS CONSIDER RAY HOWARD FOLLOWED BY SENATOR. THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME SPEAKING. OH, MY NAME IS RAY HOWARD INGRAM. I DON'T HAVE ANY NOTES, HAVE ANY OF THAT, BUT I DO HAVE THIS, I HAVE THAT. GOD TOLD ME TO BE HERE. I JUST FOUND OUT REALLY, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS NOT TOO LONG AGO AND IT BREAKS MY HEART AND IT'S BREAKING GOD'S HEART. THIS IS, THIS IS HOW GROUND CEMETERIES, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DIED THERE. WE'RE REPRESENTING THE ONES THAT FOUGHT FOR THE FREEDOM OF CATCH. THEY'RE, THEY'RE HONOR THEIR SACRIFICE. IT'S ON US. IT'S ON YOU. I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE WORLD THOUGH. I WAS RAISED IN MILITARY. I WAS BORN THE NEXT STATE OVER IN NEW MEXICO. MY WHOLE, ALL MY FAMILY IS FROM TEXAS, SO I'M SORT OF LIKE A BASTARD CHILD. EXCUSE ME. IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO GET HERE. ANYHOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A SPIRITUAL BATTLE. OUR WHOLE COUNTRY IS IN MOST TURMOIL BEING DIVISION. AND GOD DOESN'T WANT THIS. HE TOLD ME TO BE HERE. I MEAN, REALLY, THIS IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION. WE'RE ALREADY IN THE POINT WHERE NOW THAT OUR CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN DON'T CARE ABOUT HISTORY. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THING, TRYING TO ERASE HISTORY. PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. PLEASE, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. LOOK, LIKE I SAID, I WAS RAISED IN THE MILITARY ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'VE BEEN TO BATTLEGROUNDS. DON'T TURN THIS INTO A [02:25:01] DANE PARK OR WHATEVER YOU, THE ULTIMATE PLAN IS TO BE, THIS IS HALLOWED GROUND. THANK YOU. THANK SARAH LEY. SARAH LEY. IT'S SARAH REELY, BUT THAT'S OKAY. MY NAME IS SARAH RELEY. I'M A SIXTH GENERATION GERMAN, TEXAS, A DAUGHTER, THE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS, AND A VOLUNTEER FOR THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION TO DOCUMENT THE TEXAS. SO, SO I CONSIDER MYSELF QUITE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF, OF THE FACTS. I JUST WANT TO TELL Y'ALL ONE THING. I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL CLIENT. I HOPE Y'ALL GO AHEAD WITH IT. I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, BUT SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE WRONG. WOULD THAT, THAT THEY ARE TURNING IN A NARRATIVE TO YOU THAT, THAT I CAN GO, GO THROUGH AND JUST CORRECT A FEW DETAILS, BUT THAT'S, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO IF YOU OKAY, I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. I THINK THAT YOU'RE GETTING SOME MISINFORMATION. I THINK THAT YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF PASSION. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS, BUT I'M PASSIONATE ENOUGH ABOUT THE ALAMO. I WAS THE LADY THAT 10 YEARS AGO FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL ABOUT THE MISMANAGEMENT AND THE LACK OF PRESERVATION OF THE ALAMO. AND I STILL LOVE IT. I'M A DAUGHTER AGAIN. BUT THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY, THAT I THINK THERES SOME MISINFORMATION THAT, BUT I HOPE YOU GUYS GO AHEAD. I'M VERY PROUD Y'ALL BEING HERE. SIT ON THAT BOARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, EVERYONE PLEASE CALM DOWN. ORDER PLEASE ORDER PLEASE. THAT IS ALL THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE SIGNED IN. OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME BACK? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD OR COMMENT ON COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TO, THERE WERE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO OFFER. SOME POINTS OF CLARIFICATION, NOT NECESSARILY REBUTTAL IN ANY WAY, BUT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT I DIDN'T, DIDN'T POTENTIALLY TOUCH ON. I WANT OFFER CLARITY TALKS ABOUT LOCATION CHOSEN. THERE'S A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT SAYS LOCATION IS NOT EVEN DETERMINED YET. MATERIAL YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU DISTINCTLY REPRESENTS THE LOCATION AS PROPOSED. LIKEWISE, UH, THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES SURVEY IS DONE. SO WE ARE WORKING AROUND THE EXACT LOCATION OF THOSE SURVEYS. AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY BEING, ALL, ALL CIVIL DESIGN THAT'S GOING ON IS BASED ON EXISTING AND CURRENT SURVEYS. THE GEOTECH HAS BEEN ORDERED, UH, HAS BEEN RECEIVED AND IS BEING USED FOR THE NEW FOUNDATION MATERIAL. CURRENTLY UNDERDESIGNED THE NEW SIGN TEST SUBSTRUCTURE, LIKEWISE ARCHEOLOGY. THAT T PERMIT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND THERE IS A HUMAN BRAIN BRAIN PROTOCOL PROTOCOL IN PLACE WITH, SO THAT, THOSE CAME IN, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WE HAD SPOKE AND DETAIL TO THOSE DURING PIECE PRESENTATION. UM, A COUPLE ITEMS ON THE, ON THE RESTORATION. WE TALKED A TWO WEEKS AGO, WE TALKED IN DETAIL ABOUT RESTORATION PRACTICES ONCE THERE WERE A COUPLE ITEMS, I THINK YOU STILL HAVE THE COPY OF THE, OF THE FULL PRESENTATION FROM TWO WEEKS AGO. TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN FOR THE NEW, NEW SUBSTRUCTURE, A REASON FOR IT CONCRETE, THE CONCRETE MIXED DESIGN. SO ALL THAT DETAIL I WON'T GO THROUGH AGAIN, BUT JUST A REMINDER, YOU HAVE BEEN PRESENTED THAT IN THE PAST. YOU HAVE DETAIL THERE AS WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESTORATION PRACTICES AND THE INTENT OF REMOVING PIECE BY PIECE. SINCE DO THE RESTORATION ALL ON SITE, THEN NONE OF THE PIECES WILL BE REMOVED, TAKEN ANYWHERE ELSE OUTSIDE WITH THE RESTORATION IS INTENDED TO BE ON SITE. AND THEN JUST AGAIN, WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF THAT CONVERSATION TWO WEEKS AGO. UM, FINALLY THERE WAS, UM, A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT ORIENTATION. AND AGAIN, A REMINDER, WE DID SPEAK TO IT HERE A FEW MINUTES AGO DURING THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, BUT WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AND DO UNDERSTAND KAINE'S DESIGN INTENT, THE, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT EACH ONE OF THE SCULPTURES AND THE ORIENTATION OF [02:30:01] THIS PERIOD OF SACRIFICE. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE ORIENTATION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS SCULPTURE THAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE, WHICH ORIGINALLY DONE TO FACE THE FEDERAL BUILDING, A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO, AS WE DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO, A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO THE ORIENTATION NOT ONLY FROM A DESIGN ASPECT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND THE HABITAT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT IN THE BATTLEGROUND IN THE CHURCH. THAT WAS ONE REASON THAT WE DISCUSSED TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE CHOICE OF THE ORIENTATION, BUT ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SPIRIT OF THE SCULPTURE TO FIX THAT GROUND. BUT RATHER THAN AWAY FROM THE BATTLEGROUND WAS TO FINALLY, AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THE FULL PRESENTATION, I THINK IT WAS 50 PLUS SLIDES. WE ONLY TOOK EXCERPT FROM IT. IF ANY WE NEED TO REFER BACK TO IT. WE CAN DO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK EVERYONE HAS COME HERE TODAY TO SPEAK PRO DOES TAKE EVERYONE'S, UH, COMMENTS INTO, AND NOW WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION THANK COMMISSION. UM, I HAVE UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE PLAN FOR THE INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS. IS THERE A TIMELINE ON WHEN THOSE ELEMENTS, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO FEEL IS DIRECTION UNDER DEVELOPMENT DESIGN, EXACT DESIGN OF THE PANELS, THE MATERIAL HE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GENERAL. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. UM, I WAS HERE A YEAR AGO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE RELOCATION. I SUPPORTED THE PROJECT TODAY. I THINK THE ROTATION TOOK ME A DAY OR TWO TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY THE BEST RELATIONSHIP RELATES TO THE AMMO CHURCH, ITS POSITION PLAZA AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS OF IT. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PASSION, BUT I, FOR APPROVAL, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF ALL REQUEST ITEMS, A MOTION IS SECOND DISCUSSION. MR. DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. WHILE THEY ARE RELATED IN THE SENSE THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT ARE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT ARE BASED ON AS MUCH KNOWLEDGE AS YOU CAN GET FROM, YOU KNOW, THE ORAL TRADITIONS IN, UM, TEXAS HISTORY. REALLY HARD SUBJECT TO, TO UNDERSTAND. UM, BUT UM, RELATED TO THE ACTUAL, THE APPLICATION BEFORE US ASKED STAFF A QUESTION IN THE LAST SESSION THAT THEY DIDN'T ANSWER. AND I ASKED THE QUESTION A FEW TIMES AND TO ME IT'S THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE APPLICATION AS TO WHY STAFF INCLUDED THE TERM CEMETERY IN THE 2019 APPLICATION, BUT THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE 2018 APPLICATION. NOW THE REASON BEING, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, THERE'S SUCH A HIGH PROFILE, UM, ISSUE APPLICATION. WE WANNA BE CORRECT ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GOT OUR EYES. THE MENTION OF THE TERM CEMETERY IMPLICATES OTHER THINGS. IT'S NOT EASY ENOUGH JUST TO SAY CEMETERY. THE, THE, UH, O H P BY THE U D C IS REQUIRED TO TELL US WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY THAT IS. I RESPECT THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE COMMISSION HERE. ALSO UNDERSTANDING THROUGH THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS, UH, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT TO THE COMMISSION'S AREA OF EXPERTISE OR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO TELL US TO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THERE'S TO KNOW AND, AND BEING FAIRLY NEW TO THE COMMISSION, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LEARNING CURVE, UNDERSTANDING HOW THINGS WORK, PARTICULARLY RESPECT TO ALL THE OTHER CASES THAT WE GET, YOU KNOW, THE ARGUMENTS WE'VE HAD OVER WOOD WINDOWS AND VERSUS THINGS. IT'S BEEN HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND. BUT [02:35:01] WHAT I HAVE, UH, UH, COME TO THE CONCLUSION IS THAT RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATION THEN SUPPORTS, UH, STAFF'S OPINION. THAT REALLY DOES WEIGH HEAVILY ON, ON OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESSES BECAUSE THEN THAT MEANS THAT STAFF HAS DONE THEIR HOMEWORK AND THEN WE CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE DELIBERATING PROPERLY. BUT IN THIS SITUATION, STAFF HAS IT'S, UM, IT'S FINDINGS AND THEY JUST VERY QUICKLY SAY CEMETERY. THE D C WOULD SAY THE LEADER, THE OFFICER OF O P, WHICH I IMAGINE IS, IS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICERS REQUIRED TO TELL US WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY IS. IT'S NOT PROPER FOR US TO DECIDE THE TERM CEMETERY HAS BEEN MADE IN THE FINDINGS UNLESS THE, UM, THE CEMETERY HAS BEEN DEFINED. I MADE SOME NOTES BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO JUST SAY YOU THE MEMORY HERE. SO PRIOR TO INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALLY ADDRESSING ITEMS ONE TO THREE OF THE APPLICANT'S 2019 REQUESTS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LAST YEAR'S CASE AND THIS YEAR'S CASE. IN CONSIDERING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO APPLICATIONS, E QUESTIONABLE AND CONSISTENCY EXISTED IN THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION AS POSTED FINDINGS. THE H D R C STAFF FINDINGS DO NOT MENTION CEMETERY, WHEREAS IN 18 WHEREAS IN 19 THEY DO, AND THEY CLEARLY, THEY THEY CLEARLY MENTIONED THAT THEY DISCOVERED THE EXISTED CEMETERY IN FINDINGS, WHICH IS F THIS IS WHAT THE FINDINGS SAID. THE, THE SUBMITTED PHASE ONE LIMIT OF WORK OVERLAPS THE BOUNDARY OF THE CEMETERY ON THE GROUNDS OF THE ISLAND. THAT'S OUT OF THIS APPLICATION, WHICH TO ME ALTERS THE CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERATION OF ITEMS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT THAT ARE NOW BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE. FURTHER, THE U D C SECTION 35 DASH FOUR A CEMETERY STATES ALL APPLICANTS FOR PERMITS EXCLUDING BURIAL PERMITS AFFECT THE CEMETERIES SHALL REFERRED TO THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THE CEMETERY IS HISTORICALLY, CULTURALLY, ARCHITECTURALLY OR ARCHEOLOGICALLY EXCEPTIONAL OR SIGNIFICANT. AND THAT IF THE CEMETERY IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY HISTORIC PERMISSION TO BE EXCEPTIONAL OR SIGNIFICANT, ANY PROPOSED CHANGE EXCLUDING BURIALS MUST BE PRESENTED TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR APPROVALS OF PLAN. SO THE INCLUSION OF THE TERMS CECE FINDINGS OF THE HT R CASE 2019 SEVEN NUMBER TWO REQUIRES THAT THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER PRESENTED DETERMINATION OF SIGNIFICANCE SHOULD THE CEMETERY BE CATEGORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT TO THIS HT C FOR PROPER DELIBERATION WHEN CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF THE U D C IS EXPLICIT AND THIS REQUIREMENT, AND THERE IS NO OPTION FOR FINDING OF NO DETERMINATION. BUT AS SUCH, APPLICATION H D R C CASE 20 19 7 0 2 IS INCOMPLETE AND IT CANNOT BE HEARD UNTIL THE CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER ISSUES A FINDING THAT CONCLUDES THE CEMETERY IS SIGNIFICANT OR INSIGNIFICANT, SUCH FINDING MUST BE PRESENT FOR NOTING CEMETERY IN THE FINDINGS SO THAT THE H D R C HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF POTENTIAL IMPACT OR IRREVERSIBLE ADVERSE EFFECTS TO POTENTIAL CULTURAL ASSETS. THE U D C ALSO REMINDS US THAT THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS GOVERNED IN ITS RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE REGULATIONS AND FORTH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS LAW FOR CEMETERIES. SO, UM, IT REALLY IMPLICATES THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE. I I I, UM, REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE, UM, THE CEMETERY IS MENTIONED IN THIS APPLICATION. IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE TO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN THE OTHER APPLICATION IN 2018 WHERE YOU DECIDED TO MOVE THE SENATE TAB WITH INFORMATION THAT NOW IS RELEVANT. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT BEING RELEVANT NOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE IN FOR THE APPLICATION BECAUSE HOW CAN WE, UH, MAKE A DECISION OR HEAR MOTION THAT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE U D C, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AND WHAT MAKES ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IS THE SELECTIVE KIND OF FINDINGS. I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION CLARIFY, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2018 AND 2019 IS THAT IN 2018, THE T H C HAD NOT DESIGNATED HONOR HORRIFICALLY. THIS THE AREA, THAT SECTION THAT, UM, THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A CEMETERY. AND SO THAT INFORMATION HAPPENED IN 2019 AND WAS ADDED TO THE FINDING. BUT WHAT THE FINDING SIMPLY COMMUNICATES IS THAT THE PROJECT, AS IN ANY PROJECT OF THIS NATURE, IS GOING TO REQUIRE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER WORK THAT MAY KEEPS US IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TEXAS [02:40:01] ANTIQUITIES CODE AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO ARCHEOLOGY. WELL, CHAIRMAN, THERE'S A MOTION, WELL, THIS IS MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ANSWER, BUT AS A CEMETERY, THAT'S A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE TERM THAT'S BEING USED IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND THEY FOUND A BODY. YOU, YOU SEE, YOU SEE THAT'S WHAT THE REAL CONTRADICTION IS, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USING THIS PIECEMEAL A HUNDRED YEAR LONG PROCESS OF FINDING A BODY HERE, FINDING A BODY THERE. AND THE, AND THE INFORMATION IS OVER THE COURSE OF A HUNDRED YEARS THROUGH ARTICLES, IS IT REFUTABLE? THERE COMES A TIME IN HISTORY WHEN, WHEN THE REGULATORY AGENCIES OR THE, THE, OR THE COMMITTEE COMMISSIONS ADHERE THESE ISSUES, AT SOME POINT IN HISTORY, SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO STOP CALLING IT A, A FOUND BODY OR A FOUND GRAVE. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT, THAT IT'S A CEMETERY AND THAT THAT THE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, OR THE OFFICE OF O H P WOULD REQUIRED TO DO WHAT THEY'RE REALLY SUPPOSED TO DO, WHICH IS TO, TO DO A COMPLETE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY OF THE AREA. AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT MAKES IT VERY COMPLICATED, VERY HARD TO DO A PROJECT WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO A THING LIKE THAT IN A TIMELY MANNER. BUT WHEN IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? IS IT GONNA HAPPEN IF WE'RE, IF THERE'S A 50 YEAR LEASE, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 50 YEARS OF, OF, OF, YOU'RE GONNA DIG HOLES TO PLANT A HUNDRED TREES. AND WE KNOW IT'S A CEMETERY BECAUSE IT'S CALLED A CEMETERY IN THIS FINDING. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE LAST ONE WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, EAR EARS AND SAY, WELL, THEY FOUND A BODY. WELL, THEY FOUND THE BODY. WELL THIS ONE CALLS IT A CEMETERY, AND THE OFFICE OF ALWAYS P AT THIS POINT IS REQUIRED FOR, FOR QUALIFYING WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY THAT IS. AND THEN AFTER THAT, TELLING US HOW THAT, UH, UNDER THE, YOU KNOW, THE HEALTH CODES, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, ABANDONED OR WHATEVER, UH, QUALIFYING TERM IS USED, BUT ALL OF THIS CAN ONLY BE DONE ONCE O H P TELLS US WHETHER IT'S SIGNIFICANT, WHAT KIND OF SIGNIFICANCE IT HAS. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN THEY PROBABLY ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO AN ARCHEOLOGICAL, UM, UH, DISCOVERY. BECAUSE THEY SAID HERE, I'M NOT SAYING THIS, THEY SAID IT, IT'S WRITTEN HERE, IT SAYS THAT IT OVERLAPS PHASE ONE OF WORK OVERLAPS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERY. BUT YET, YET ALL THERE IS IS THE, ALL THEY'RE PRESENTING TO US IS THE TEXAS HISTORICAL SITES ATLAS. THEY WOULD BE, THE CITY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO A A AN OVERALL SURVEY BECAUSE LOOK, THIS DOES AMOUNT AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE WORD CEMETERY AND, AND BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THROUGH THE PRESS, IT DOES, IT DOES AMOUNT TO DESECRATION OF, OF, UH, OF A CEMETERY. IT DOES. AND, AND MR. CHAIR, UM, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST HORRIBLE THING WE CAN DO ONCE WE KNOW, UNLESS WE'RE DOING IT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, CARPENTER, QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS ORDERS, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, BY THE WAY, I'M AN EIGHTH GENERATION. WILLIAM WILLIAMS WHO FOUGHT IN QUICK QUESTION. THE INTERPRETIVE THEMES THAT WAS PICKED UP ON BY, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP. UM, PLEASE REFRESH MY MEMORY. CONTRIBUTORS CONTENT, ONE THAT WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT THE DEFENDERS AND THEN ONE THAT SPECIFIC ABOUT THE MEMORIAL YESTERDAY ION AND AUGMENTED VALIDATED AT THE TIME, THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT INSPIRED HIM SCULPTURES, BUT ALSO THE REST THE TEAM. AND EVEN THOUGH THE, NOT JUST THE, NOT JUST THE CREATION OF THE CENTER, WHY THE SENATE TAP CHOSEN AS A FORM MARTIAL ARTS OF OTHER CHOICES, CONTROVERSY, RELOCATION AS PART OF THE STORY CONSIDERED CONSIDERED. NOW I UNDERSTAND YOUR, SO YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT AND [02:45:01] YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED IT BEFORE BATTLEFIELD, AND WE WOULD MAGNITUDE, I GREATLY REGRET EUROPEAN A ROADMAP RATHER THAN THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, LOCK US INTO SOMETHING, CONSIDER MORE, CONSIDER AT THAT TIME ALSO TESTIMONY, THE CURRENT PROPOSED LOCATIONS ACTUALLY OPPOSITION. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BEFORE WE, SO JUST A COUPLE OF PRACTICAL THINGS WITH THIS APPLICATION THAT I, THAT I SEE IS JUST THINGS THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT FOR THE APPLICANT. SORRY. SO, UH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING TREES, THE AMOUNT, TREES VERSUS TREES KEEPING SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE AREA. SECOND THING IS ADDRESSING THE WAY THAT THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE NEW CHANGED THE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT IN THE PROCESS FOR WHICH THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO US TO KIND OF TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT BEFORE THAT'S IN PLACE. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS LIKE CUES FROM THE ALAMO TO THE SYN HALF. I NOTICED THAT, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE NORTHWEST CORNER, THERE'S A NEW LANDSCAPE AREA THERE. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF KNOW IF, IF THAT IS AN EXISTING TREE OR THIS'S NEW PLANTED INTO, AS PART OF THE OVERALL PLAN. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE EXISTING TREES WITH, WITH ARBUS BOTH ON THE INTERNAL TEAM AND THE CITY ARBORIST. THERE'S THREE TREES IN PARTICULAR ONE AREA PROPOSED TO. AND SO THE ONE, UH, LANDSCAPE BED THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS ONE OF THOSE, PROBABLY HAVE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL TO POINT OUT ALL OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE INTENDED TO REMAIN. IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND PART OF THE DECISION ON HOW TO INCORPORATE THE LIVE OAKS START TO DESIGN AROUND THE TREES THAT ARE TO NOT ALL OF THEM. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO I JUST, THE WAY THAT THE APPLICATION IS WORDED IT, TALK ABOUT SAVING AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE AND THEN USING SOME TREES TO REPLACE MY CONCERN IS THE NUMBER OF NEW TREES ADDED THE SYSTEMS UNDERNEATH. ARE THERE ANY KIND OF ROOT BARRIER SYSTEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE DESIGNED TO ISOLATE THESE TREES SO THAT ONCE THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDIES ARE DONE IN THOSE AREAS, BE ISOLATED? IT DOES MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, BUT THE INTENT OF MAKING SURE THAT THE ROOT, THAT THE ROOTS AND THE ROOT BALLS DON'T IMPACT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADDRESS THE, THE ADDITION OF THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE PHENOTYPE? YEAH. LAST, THE LAST PRESENTATION HAD A HANDFUL OF SLIDES THAT TALKED ABOUT REALLY ONE IN PART THAT TALKED ABOUT THE INTENT TO ADD BEGINNINGS. NOT ON THE, NOT ON THE SKILL IS NOW, BUT THE VIRGIN MARBLE PANELS THAT ARE BELOW. WE TALKED ABOUT NOT ONLY A SEPARATE PANEL THAT IDENTIFIES THE RESEARCH FROM PREVIOUS, BUT ALSO THE NEW RESEARCH THAT IDENTIFIES THE MISSPELLINGS OF THE NAMES AND THE ADDITIONAL NAMES THAT SERVE THE B. AND SO THE INTENT IS TO, TO HONOR THEM NOT IN A SEPARATE PANELS OFTEN TO THE SIDE, BUT BELOW THE EXACT FONT CHOICE, THE EXACT LAYOUT OF WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A FREEZE THAT'S COMPLIMENTARY TO WHAT'S THERE NOW AS YET TO BE DETERMINED. WE KNOW THAT WE BACK TO ADDRESS THOSE MISSPELLED ADDITIONAL LOWER THE, RATHER THAN [02:50:05] WILL THE NARRATIVE OF THAT BE BROUGHT TO THIS C I THE INTENT OF AND AT THAT TIME YOU BE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS? SIR? WOULD YOU SAY THAT IS CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT, THAT WE PLANT A TREE? YOUR ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THERE'S NOTHING BURIED UNDERNEATH UNTIL THE BONES. BUT YOU'RE SAYING DO I ASSUME, DO WE HAVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WAS IN THE GROUND DIGGING? THAT'S WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS. NO, NO. IT'S MORE THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FORM OF PLANNING WOULD SAY THAT WHEN YOU DREW A TREE TO GO IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION, YOUR CONCERN AS TO WHETHER THERE WOULD BE BONES IN THAT LOCATION NOT BE A CONSIDERATION UNTIL AFTER YOU DUG, DUG THE HOLD AND FOUND THE BONES. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? NOT ENTIRELY. SO, SO THEN THAT, THEN, THEN YOU WOULD BE AGREEING THAT YOU, YOU PLANT A TREE KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HIT BONES. THAT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIVE QUESTION. THERE'S AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY DONE BEFORE WE APPROVED BEFORE. NO, THAT'S THAT'S NOT MY, IT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. NO, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY THAT IT WILL BE REQUIRED. COMMISSIONER, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY WILL BE APPLICATION TO TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION FOR THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BEFORE THIS AREA AND, AND WE ARE GONNA RECEIVE A COPY OF THE BOUNDARIES OF WHATEVER IS FOUND AS A CEMETERY PRIOR TO ANY WORK BEING DONE. STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT THAT IS NOT FOR IN OUR AGENDA. THERE'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM. NO, NO. SURE IT IS, IT'S IN F IT'S IN FINDINGS ORDER. IT'S IN FINDINGS ORDER. PLEASE. THAT I, I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO, TO MY POINT NEW FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S POINT OVER HERE IS THAT SHE SAYS IT'S NOT IN THE APPLICATION, IN THE FINDINGS, IT'S IN FINDING O P WHAT I'M SAYING IS NOT REQUIRED TO SEE REPORT THE SCOPE OF WORK. THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT MOVING ON TO WELL I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT HAS LASTING CONSEQUENCES. SHOULD, SHOULD WE CREATE A SITUATION THAT CREATES AN IRREVERSIBLE SITUATION WHERE WE'VE JUST DONE SOMETHING THAT CAN'T, WE CAN'T TAKE BACK. YOU'D BE SURPRISED WITHOUT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MRS. CHAIRMAN, THE LEVEL OF DELIBERATION WE GO TO OVER WOOD WINDOW. IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU CAME HERE AND TRIED TO PUT A VINYL CLAD WOOD WINDOW IN YOUR BUILDING, WE'D BE HERE FOR AN HOUR. THIS THIS IS, THIS IS A MAJOR SITUATION. WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, BEFORE YOU PLANTED THE TREES, DID, DID YOU, BEFORE YOU PLANTED THE TREES, DID YOU PLANT THE TREES? KNOWING WHAT, WHAT THE ABSOLUTE BOUNDARIES ARE FROM AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY COMPLETED FOLLOWING THE PROCESS, THE ARCHEOLOGY STUDY DONE BEFORE, BEFORE DIGGING, DETERMINE THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS SUBJECT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN, IN, IN ORDER TO, TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA CREATE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS, IT'S PRUDENT TO DO A COMPLETE STUDY AND LOCATE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CEMETERY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THE CEMETERY WAS NOT IN 2018 APPLICATION. IT'S IN 2019 APPLICATION. THAT'S WHY IT'S AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED TO AN APPROPRIATE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY THAT WOULD PROCEED ANY PHYSICAL ACTION ON THE SITE AS REQUIRED. I MEAN THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE FINDINGS AND THE 2019 FINDINGS IS FOR THAT POINT. EXACTLY. AND I I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SENSITIVE TO THE EFFECT THAT THESE TREES WOULD HAVE ON ANY POTENTIAL BURIAL SIDE AS WELL. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO, BUT I, IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO HAPPEN AS A PART OF THIS APPLICATION IS AS PROPOSED. THE ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY HAS AND AND FELLOW COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MY, MY STUDY. THE U D C SAYS THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUPLE OF STEPS THAT ARE MISSING AND ONE STEP THAT'S MISSING IS YOU CAN'T JUST SAY CEMETERY OR THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION CAN'T. WE CAN'T, BUT THEY CAN'T. THEY HAVE TO [02:55:01] TELL US WHAT KIND OF CEMETERY IT IS AND, AND, AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION. THE E D C IS THE ONE THAT'S TELLING US THAT O H P HAS TO QUALIFY THAT WORD CEMETERY. THAT'S WHAT'S A BIG DEAL. YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY THAT WORD CEMETERY. YOU CAN'T JUST WRITE CEMETERY YOUR O H P. YOU HAVE TO SAY, UH, CEMETERY OF, OF ARCHITECTURAL CEMETERY OF CULTURAL CEMETERY OF ARCHEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE. YOU HAVE TO COMMISSIONER AND I WOULD ASK E FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ONCE THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION QUALIFIED CEMETERY AS PER Q D C, WHICH MR CHAIR, THE MOTION IS FLAWED AND IT'S, AND IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED. I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN FLAWED. I WOULD ASK MY MY FELLOW TO SPEAK AND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED, OPPOSED? NO. ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. FERNANDEZ FERNANDEZ. AYE. SI. FISH. FISH. C GIBBS GIBBS AYE. C VELAZQUEZ VELAZQUEZ NAY. NO. OLA. OLA. NO. MARTINEZ FLORES MARTINEZ FLORES. AYE. C CARPENTER CARPENTER NAY, NO. GROUPE GROUPE. AYE. C BOWMAN BOWMAN. AYE. C ZER ZER AYE. C THEON NAY. NO. MOTION PASSES. THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING. WE DO HAVE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, OTHER AGENDA ITEMS WE HAVE WHO IS NOT SAYING TO POLICE? QUIET. OH EDWARD, IF YOU CAN PUT OUT THE, THE LIST OF BI ITEMS ON THE SCREEN FOR US. SORRY, WE HAVE ONE MORE PLEASE. EDWARD, CAN YOU READ A SEVEN THREE RECORD PLEASE? EDWARD, A 7 20 19 50 APPROXIMATELY APPLICANT A RECOMMEND DOES NOT RE ENCROACHMENT THE RIVER CHANNEL. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM? THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK, MARY, WE'VE, WE CAME FOR PRELIMINARY REVIEW. OKAY. UH, TO DISCUSS THE ENCROACHMENT ISSUE THAT THEY'RE PULLING UP RIGHT NOW. CAN STAFF CLOSE THE, [03:00:03] EXCUSE ME, PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE HAVE ORDER YES IN THE AUDIENCE? Y'ALL PLEASE MOVE IT TO THE LOBBY. WOULD Y'ALL PLEASE MOVE IT TO THE LOBBY? SO SORRY. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. WE WANTED TO WALK THROUGH AND THE FIVE FEET IS THE ORIGINAL PROJECTION ANGULAR SHAPE. SO THAT'S ARCHITECTURAL INFORCE CHARACTER OF THE GROUND WALL, THE PE ALONG THE SIDEWALK SUCH AS CANOPIES, AWNINGS, AND OVERHANGS OF THE BUILDING. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THE FIRST TIME WE WERE HERE. PARAPHRASE THAT WHEN A PROPERTY IS SITUATED IN SUCH A MANNER AS YOUNESS AT THE END OF THE STREET OR CURB THE RIVER EARTH CREEK, WHICH THIS DOES, UH, THE BUILDING SHALL IN INCORPORATE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE TO PROVIDE A FOCAL POINT AT THE OF THE VIEW AND IT INCLUDING I RECESS, WE CAN, WE CAN SHARE THAT THIS IS RENDER [03:05:23] EVEN HIGHER IS MORE IMPORTANT. RECOMMENDATIONS. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE GET QUESTION, WE DO HAVE, YES. VIRGINIA VAN. HELLO OLA RE, VIRGINIA VAN. NOT THAT YOU KNOW THE CHURCH OF FAIRLAND, ORLANDO DE SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES SAN ANTONIO PUBLIC IN THE RIVER ABOVE THE RIVER WALK. OVERHANG WILL AFFECT THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK GIVEN THE INFORMATION PRESENTED. IF I COULD, NOT THAT WE'RE IGNORING YOU, BUT I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE NUMB. RIVERWALK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ON THE ENCROACHMENT OVER A [03:10:03] APPROXIMATELY NOT THEY SAY SAN PEDRO CREEK, SAY RIVER AND EAST SAN PEDRO CREEK, HE ENTERED THE ENCROACHMENT RETENTION. WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE BIGGEST ENCROACHMENT AMOUNT? ONE 10 COMMISSIONERS COMMENT. THAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR PRESENTING INTERPRET. I THINK THIS DISCUSSION I ENTERTAIN IN EXCESS THE EXTERIOR. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORT. MOTION. WE HAVE MOTION. NO MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. CAN COME BACK RIGHT SOLICIT. OKAY. UM, WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEMS ON EDWARD. I'M HERE TODAY SPEAK. SO I KEEP IN PARTICULAR CASE [03:15:01] INVOLVED MICHAEL ALUMINUM PROPERTIES LOCATED 15 CROCK NORTH. ACCORDING NORTH OWN GUIDELINES WITH WINDOWS OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS ARE THE MATERIAL ALLOWED FOR BOTH IN EXISTING HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE CSA HISTORICAL DISTRICT, BUT FOR RECOMMENDED IS OF MP URBAN TO INSTALL ALUMINUM APPROVED. IS IS WHY WHY DID O H P RECOMMEND APPROVAL DEVELOPMENT TO DEAL WITH ALUMINUM WHEN THEY HAVE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED AGAINST ALLOWING OTHER INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE NECESSARY TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN GENERIC BECAUSE IN FACT ON THE SAME AGENDA, YOU MULTIPLE ON MULTIPLE, THEY, THEY'RE ALL REQUIRED TO HAVE OR I'VE BEEN ATTENDING H D R C REPEATEDLY SEEN O THIS TYPE OF HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE GUIDELINES, DEVELOP THE REQUIREMENTS AND NOT PROVIDING PEOPLE START MAKING FALSE ASSUMPTION FALSE AS PEOPLE START MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AS TO WHY INDIVIDUAL, UH, NORTH ALAMO WEST HOLLYWOOD 20 WEST HOTEL WEST OF THE HAS BEEN ON SPEAKING SPEAKER IS FAIR IT. UM, AND SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES [03:20:01] AGENDA ITEM B 22, THE MULTIFAMILY REGARDING TESTING WITHIN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVER ISLAND AS WELL AS THOSE LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPOSED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES TO FEATURE TWO AND THREE STORIES. HEIGHT ACCESS TO THE SITE WILL BE PROVIDED USE DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING WHICH IN PRESENT NOTED COMPLY WITH THESE RECENTLY. THE SUBMITTED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE MODIFIED DESIGN BUILDING FIVE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS OF BUILDING FIVE DESIGNED, FOUND INSPECTION IS REQUIRED AS THE ROOF INSPECTION APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. JAMES MCKNIGHT AND IMPORTANT COME THROUGH FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. IT WAS APPROVED ALMOST A YEAR AGO. WE GLOBALLY HAVE ADDRESSED THOSE CONCERNS. THE MAJOR CHANGE EL MAJOR IS, UM, OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU'RE DOING. UM, SO THOSE UNITS ON [03:25:16] YOU WANT FOR THE, I WANNA TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS HEIGHT SCALE ALSO WE ARE FOR THE, FOR TRAIL STREET FOR THE UNIT. WE'RE ADJACENT, ADJACENT TO C 2 33. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THOSE LOTS. WE DO KNOW IT IS A COMMERCIAL SITE. ADJACENCY OF C TWO TO M 33 DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE LAND USES AND THE HEIGHT DOES NOT POSE AN ISSUE AS FAR AS THE U D C IS CONCERNED. YOU'VE GOT 25 SOME HEIGHT ON CT, 35 FEET IS OUR PROPOSED HEIGHT ON THE END OF 33 DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR. SO I FEEL LIKE IN TURN I FEEL LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE ZONING MAP. I FEEL THAT THREE STORY HEIGHT IS COMPLETELY, UM, I SHOW THIS JUST TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WE MOVE FORWARD AFTER CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WE HAVE BEEN DOING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND WE ARE AT THAT LEVEL OF PERCENT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT. SO WE HAVE BEEN DOING A A LOT OF WORK AND I IT SHOULD BE LOST TO HOW MUCH WORK WE'VE BEEN PUTTING TOWARDS THAT. THIS IS JUST A DETAIL OF A SPEC SHEET FOR A WINDOW AS PART OF WHAT STAFF HAS ASKED TO SAY ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS. WE ARE CERTAINLY ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS ABOUT WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT. HERE'S THE VIEW ALONG TRAIL STREET AND YOU CAN SEE IT STILL SHOWS THAT THREE STORY THERE. I JUST ATTEMPTED TO DO A ROUGH OUTLINE LINING UP WHAT THAT SECOND STORY OR A TWO STORY WOULD LOOK LIKE NOW AS YOU CAN, IT DOES MAKE A GOOD DIFFERENCE. THIS IS THE PROBATION ALONG ATCH STREET, UM, HASN'T BEEN AS MUCH. IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AS PART OF THE HISTORIC PART OF DRAINAGE OR THE DETENTION POND. THAT'S I ANOTHER ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM BOTH THE COMMISSION ENTRY. THAT IS STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND PROTECTION OF THE AS. SO THIS IS THE, THE DRAINAGE FOR THE SITE CURRENTLY AND THIS IS THE DRAINAGE POINT THAT WE HAVE WORKED OUT BETWEEN T C I OUR ENGINEERS. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, BUT, UM, THREE REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS TO TAKE NOTE OF. ONE IS SYSTEM TO HAVE BEEN ADDED. THAT WAS PART OF TCIS COMMENTS. WE'VE ADDED THESE CI, NORMAL CISTERNS IN THERE. UH, THE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE LEAK A PART OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT REALLY REDUCES THE AMOUNT FLOW THAT COMES OFF THERE BETWEEN THE CI AND SPRING, THAT PERVIOUS PAVEMENT THAT ACTUALLY HANDLES TO YOUR STORM. UM, BEYOND THAT WE HAVE, UH, STORMWATER DRAINAGE THAT RUNS ALONG IN BUILDING FIVE, IN BUILDING SIX AND THEN CONNECTS AND GOES NORTH INTO THE DETENTION POND. SO ALL OF THE RING WATER THAT'S COMING THIS DIRECTION, ALL THAT STORMWATER FROM NORTH INTO THAT DETENTION POND, NOT INTO THE ASA. IF YOU REFER TO STAFF'S REPORT ON THIS, ADDITIONALLY, APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A SMALL WALL CURB TO DETER RUNOFF FROM ENTERING THE AAIA FROM SITE. THIS OVERALL DRAINAGE PLAN GIVES A REDUCTION OF THE RUNOFF ENTERING THE AAIA ADJACENT TO THE SITE WHEN COMPARED TO EXISTING CONDITIONS. THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY T C I, WHICH CONCURS WITH THE DESIGN IS GENERALLY COMPLIANT WITH USE THE AS DRAIN INFRASTRUCTURE. REALLY IMPORTANT LAST USING AS AS PART OF OUR WHAT IS THERE OBVIOUSLY REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET TCIS FEEDBACK ON THIS. WE CAN'T GET FULL APPROVAL AMENDMENT FOUR INTO PERMITTING, BUT THEY HAVE BASICALLY HAVE COMPARED TO SAY YOUR PLAN NOW MEET THOSE. SO THAT'S STORM WATER PROTECTION, HEIGHTENED SCALE. YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALSO BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT TREES. WE ARE PRESERVING SEVERAL. WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION PLAN. IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO HOW THIS SIZE, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER, THIS IS SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO HOW FAR ALONG WE ARE IN THESE DOCUMENTS. [03:30:01] I ALSO THINK ONE OF THE LAST CONCERNS IS DESIGN. I KNOW THAT DESIGN FROM A LARGER STANDPOINT IS THESE SUBJECTIVE. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE DESIGN. THEY DON'T LIKE THE DESIGN. IT DOESN'T FIT SOME OF THE BUNGALOW ARCHITECTURAL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT THAT, WHILE IT IS AN IMPORTANT COMMENT TO HEAR, THIS IS A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SPEAK IN TERMS OF MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE STORY AT THE FAMILY TOWN HOME ON AN MF 33 SIDE. IT'S JUST VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE STORY BUNGALOWS IN THAT AREA. A LOT OF THOSE ARE ONE, ONE AND A HALF STORIES WEREN'T TECHNIC TWO AND A HALF STORIES IN TERMS OF HEIGHT. WE ARE FAIRLY SIMILAR. WE ARE NOT, THIS IS NOT A ONE STORY NEXT TO A FIVE STORY, BUT THE DESIGN LANGUAGE ITSELF IS SPEAKING SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND IT REALLY ISN'T THE I B BEHOLD, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OTHER THAN THE GARAGES LONG TRAIL STREET, WHICH DON'T SEEM TO BE, UM, ISSUE FOR ANYONE ELSE. STAFF HAS BELIEVES THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THESE GUIDELINES. SO OVERALL, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE, WE'VE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE ADDRESSED EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. WE THINK WE'VE COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD PROJECT. WE'RE STILL LISTENING, BUT WE HAVE REALLY FOUGHT HARD TO GET TO POSITION WHERE I'M HERE FOR. THANK YOU. UH, WE DO HAVE FOR COMMENTS. LANE VETER, ELAINE VETER, 39 11 FOREST CREEK ON BEHALF OF CONSERVATION SOCIETY, SAN SAN ANTONIO, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. SAN ANTONIO CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE OFFICE HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT THE STREET FACING FRONT GARAGE DOORS FOR 3, 3 5 TRAIL, NOT THEY'RE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE DESIGN OF THE ROAD. HISTORIC DISTRICT CONTINUES SUPPORT THE SEVERAL STIPULATIONS THE DEVELOPERS HAS. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE LARGE SYSTEM AS IT PASSES THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED. PATTY SIGNS PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THANK YOU. M UM, THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUBMITTED SOME COMMENTS FOR, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS' FOLDERS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT THE, I'VE GIVEN ANOTHER COPY. UM, MY NAME IS MIMI NIA. I LIVE AT 1 5 0 OSTROM DRIVE. MY HUSBAND AND I OWN TWO OTHER HOUSES ON OUR BLOCK AND TWO PARTIAL LOTS THAT WERE ORPHANED BY THE 2 81 CONSTRUCTION IN THE 1970S. MY FAMILY HAS OWNED OUR HOUSE, THE HOUSE THAT I LIVE IN SINCE 1955, AND WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES DURING NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT WE PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE INNER CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT. OUR RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD UNDERSTANDS THAT THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN TRAIL AND WE, SATCHIN HAS A UNIQUE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGE BECAUSE OF ITS SHAPE, BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE APPLICANT, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND BEFORE YOU, THE H C R C COMMISSIONERS. SINCE THE FALL OF 2018, THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS MET WITH THE DEVELOPER, BUT IN, NOT IN RECENT TIMES HAVE WE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THEM. ABOUT OUR STILL GRAVE CONCERNS. THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN CONSISTENT IN ING IN REGISTERING OUR GRAVE CONCERNS REGARDING FIVE ELEMENTS OF THIS PROJECT SINCE WE FIRST BECAME AWARE OF THE PROJECT. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT. THE SCALE AND HEIGHT, THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC ASAKIA, THE MATURE TREES ALONG THE EDGES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO BACK UP TO PUBLIC PARKLAND. THE LACK OF ECLECTIC ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE THE HALLMARK OF OUR HOUSING STOCK. UM, THEY ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT CREATE OUR CHARMING HUMAN SCALE, BUNGALOW, AND COTTAGE COMMUNITY THAT MAKES RIVER ROADS SUCH A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE. THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT EXCEED THAT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN MORE THAN ONE. BY MORE THAN ONE STORY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CONSISTENTLY MAINTAINED THAT ALL UNITS ON TRAIL SHOULD BE TWO STORY. THIS, THIS REMAINS THE MAIN CONCERN OF OURS. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. I BELIEVE I HAVE SOMEONE GIVING ME KIND. GEORGE NASH. [03:35:01] NASH. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. THE CURRENT PROPOSAL THREATENS THE VIABILITY OF EVERY SINGLE TREE ON SEVERAL, ON SEVERAL OFF SITE TREES IN THE PUBLIC PARK. THIS INCLUDES A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HERITAGE OAK TREE THAT HAS A CIRCUMFERENCE OF OVER 12 FEET. THAT IS AMAZING THAT WE STILL HAVE THAT TREE AND WE HOPE TO STILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT TREE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD REMAINS CONCERNED OVER THE NEAR CLEAR CUTTING OF THE SITE, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED A WILLINGNESS TO OBTAIN TREE WARRANTIES. HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE CURRENT PRESENTATION. THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED. MY NEIGHBORS WILL SPEAK TO OUR CONTINUED CONCERNS REGARDING THE NEXT THREE ITEMS, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THE THREATS TO THE HISTORIC ASAKIA AND THE LACK OF ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THIS PROJECT AS IT RELATES TO RIVER ROAD. WE HOLD FIRM TO THAT PRIOR TO RECEIVING FINAL CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. FOR THESE CONCERNS FOR THIS PROJECT, THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE AND DOCUMENTED ON THE PLANS THAT COME BEFORE YOU. FOR ALL OF US TO LOOK AT THAT, THOSE NEED TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HISTORIC NATURE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO ITS CONTINUED PRESERVATION AS AN IMPORTANT ENCLAVE WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE CREATED FOR A REASON AND WE ASK YOU TO CONTINUE TO PROTECT THEM WITH APPROPRIATE. WE KNOW THAT SOMETHING WILL BE ON THAT LOT. WE KNOW LOTS, BUT SOMETHING IT IS APPROPRIATE AND ADDS TO, TO THE, THE CHARM AND THE BEAUTY AND THE PRESERVATION, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING, JOHN HERTZ. UH, MR. FOUR MINUTES TIME, FOUR MINUTES. UM, BEFORE JOHN START, MOORE IS ALSO SIGNED IN UP TO SIX MINUTES. , I'LL TRY TO REREAD. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. UM, MY NAME IS JOHN HERT, 1 25 ANASTASIA PLACE. THIS PROPERTY IS RIGHT ACROSS THE ASSIA PROPOSED PROJECT, SO I'M ONE OF THE MORE IMPACTED PARTIES. RIVER ROAD, AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID, WE'VE BEEN SAYING THE SAME THINGS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEETINGS NOW, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH REPEATING WHAT THE POSTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REGARDING THIS PROJECT AND HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS RELATIVELY SMALL. THERE'S ONLY 130 HOUSES. THE THE HOUSES ARE PREDOMINANTLY BUNGALOW. COTTAGE GOING. ALMOST 90% ARE SINGLE STORY. THERE ARE A FEW, PERHAPS 10 HOUSES THAT ARE MORE THAN ONE STORY. UM, THIS PROJECT IS OUT OF SCALE, IT'S OVERLY DENSE. FOOTPRINT IS EXCESSIVE. THE ORIGINAL LOTS THAT IT'S BUILT ON HAD HOUSES ON A TOTAL OF 7,000 BUILT SQUARE FEET. IT'S NOW BEING INCREASED TO 70,000 BUILT SQUARE FEET. THAT'S THE IMMENSE INCREASE IN THE SCALE OF THIS PROJECT. YES, WE TALKED AD NAUSEUM ABOUT WHAT THE UNDERLYING DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES SAY ABOUT HOW NEW CONSTRUCTION EXISTING CAN START. NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE, AND IT SHOULD ONLY EXCEED BY ONE STORY, THE PREDOMINANT BUILDING TYPE, WHICH ARE ONE STORY BUILDINGS. THEREFORE, THE PROJECT REALLY SHOULD BE TWO STORIES, BUT CERTAINLY WHERE THE PROJECT ABOUTS TRAIL STREET, IT SHOULD BE ONLY TWO STORIES. I COULD PUT 20 PAGES UP HERE OF COMMENTS TAKEN FROM THE O H P H P R C MEETINGS AND DESIGN REVIEW MEETINGS ABOUT ASKING THE DEVELOPERS TO REDUCE THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT, MOVE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ASAA, PERHAPS 21 UNITS INSTEAD OF 24 UNITS, PERHAPS TWO AND A HALF STORIES INSTEAD OF THREE STORIES. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. [03:40:02] THE INCONGRUITY OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SCALE IS VERY APPARENT. THERE IS TO SCALE THE, THE EXISTING OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT ON SATCH AND THE TWO BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO IT. I TOOK THIS PHOTO, UM, OUT OF THE NEWSPAPER JUST RECENTLY. YOU KNOW, THE CONTROVERSY FOR THE CITY AS AN ENTITY ABOUT INFIELD DEVELOPMENT IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT IS BASICALLY WE, WE SATCH THERE'S THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S NEXT TO THE PROJECT AND THERE'S THE SCALE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A MONSTROSITY IN TERMS OF, OR IT'S MON MONSTROUS IN TERMS OF THE SCALE. I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO SHADE OUT THE, UH, WINTER SUN, THE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS RESEARCH, UM, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND THEN AFTER MUCH, MUCH RESISTANCE ON THE PART OF THE DEVELOPER WHO'S ALWAYS VAGUE, UH, COST CONSIDERATIONS, THEY ACTUALLY, UM, AGREED TO REDUCE THREE OF THE UNITS ALONG THE TRAIL STREET. I WAS HERE WHEN THEY WERE ASKED, WELL, CAN'T YOU REDUCE ALL OF THEM? AND THEY SAID, ADAMANTLY, NO, NO, OUR BUDGET DOESN'T ALLOW IT. BUT GO AND BEHOLD, HERE THEY ARE NOW TELLING US YES, THEIR BUDGET DOES ALLOW. SO NOW FIVE OF THE UNITS, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER, WE'RE GETTING CLOSER I THINK WITH MAYBE ABOUT 10 MORE MEETINGS. UM, WE'LL FINALLY GET TWO STORY UNITS OF LONG TRAIL, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PROJECT REALLY DEMANDS IN ORDER TO BE APPROPRIATE. UM, WE HAVE WINDOW ISSUES, YOU KNOW, ON THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THERE WERE NO WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS. NOW THERE ARE WINDOWS ON THE SIDES OF THE BUILDINGS AND THOSE BUILDINGS LOOK DOWN ON THE ONE STORY HOUSES THAT ARE ARE ADJACENT TO THE MY HOUSE, CAR'S, HOUSE AND HOUSES THAT ARE ON. WE SAT, WE THINK THERE SHOULDN'T BE WINDOWS THAT LOOK DOWN INTO OUR YARDS. WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE CHAOTIC NATURE OF THE DESIGN OF THE FACADE. UM, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S SOME, IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM WITH WHAT THE PREDOMINANT WINDOW TYPOLOGY IS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO MAKE BUNGALOWS, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT AT, WE CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T BE SUBJECTED TO SOMETHING THAT'S TOTALLY ALIEN TO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BEAUTIFUL. UM, THE PORCH, I'VE SHOWN YOU SOME EXAMPLES HERE OF WHAT PORCHES REALLY LOOK LIKE THAT HAVE STRUCTURAL COLUMNS. I DON'T THINK PUTTING A CHAIR BY AN ALCOVE BY A DOOR MAKES A PORCH. THAT IS NOT A PORCH BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. AND I THINK THIS PROJECT NEEDS. SO AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DENY THE CERTIFICATE OF FINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON THESE FIVE ISSUES FEEL PROJECT HAS APPROPRIATE YOU. UM, LARRY CLARK. LARRY CLARK RECEIVED FOUR MINUTES. PATRICIA, CAN SHE COME SIGN IN PLEASE. OH, LUCY WILSON. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S LARRY CLARK. I LIVE ALLISON DIRECTLY ACROSS THE SAFETY FOR THIS PROPERTY. I'M ALSO A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL FOR THREE, FIVE YEARS IN SAN ANTONIO. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TASKS AND WHAT YOU DO TO HELP US. REALLY IMPORTANT. SO RIVER ROAD, THERE'S ONLY THREE WAYS TO GET PROJECT PLANS TO OCCUPY TWO OF THOSE, THOSE WAYS. TRAIL AND ATCH, IT'S IN THE PARKLAND. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE 1780 HOUSE WEST HOUSE NORTH OF THE AMOS. ALONG THE UPPER, THE UPPER EXTENDS ALL THE WAY ALONG THE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT JUST THE OPEN DITCH, THE REMAINS, BUT SO, UM, TODAY WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO AND JOHN AND MIMI A VERY GOOD JOB. WE HAD A LONG PROCESS AND IT HASN'T SEEMED TO MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE. SCALE [03:45:03] URBAN TOWNHOUSE IN A LARGELY ONE STORY REDUCE THE PLANS ARE STILL SOMEWHAT CONFLICT, BUT I THINK THAT THE KEY HERE IS THE SPIRIT OF PLACE THAT DESIGNS IN MY OPINION, SHOULD ALWAYS WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED. WE WERE TOLD IN A YEAR OVER AGO, DEVELOPER THAT THE NEARBY BUILDINGS WILL BE USED AS A PRESIDENT FOR ALL SORTS. THE PROJECT HAS USED NOTHING. WE WERE TOLD IN 2018 ALL OF THESE UNITS COMPLETELY TREE RIVER ROAD, THE PROJECT SIDE IS IN THE LOWER RIGHT WITH RESPECTED TREES. THE TREE PLANS, THEY'RE SAYING SIGNIFICANT TREES IN NO WAY REFLECT SAVING US TO TREES. AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, I WONDER HOW ARE, WE'RE GONNA PUT A WALL THROUGH A 24 INCH PAVEMENT AND CUTOFF AND CALL IT AS A PRESERVED TREE, AS A SAVED TREE. SAME SIX INCH HERITAGE BALD ALONG WE SET THAT HAS A BUILDING WITHIN EIGHT FEET OF UTILITY LINES THROUGH THE PLANS IN NO WAY REFLECT SAVING TREES. EVERY SINGLE TREE ON THAT SIDE, MY OPINION BE REMOVED. WE SEE WALLS RAISED GRADING OVER THE TOPS OF THE TREES. BUILDINGS IS TOO CLOSE TO THE SPANISH LANDMARK OF SAFETY. UM, AND DRAINAGE IS STILL A BIG CONCERN. WE WANT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE 100 ON SITE. JOHN HURTS SHOWED US SCALE ON THAT SITE. IT'S ABOUT THE SAME. LOWER BUILDING CITY COUNCIL HAS THOSE SAME CONCERNS. THE U D C MAY BE MODIFIED IN THE FUTURE TO HELP US, BUT TODAY I'M ASKING YOU TO HELP US. VERY SIMILAR CONDITIONS TO WHAT REPORTED IN THE CITY COUNCIL. JOHN SHOWED THIS PHOTO AS AS WELL. THIS IS IN FACT SHANNON CO BUILDING PROTECTION. WE DON'T WANT DETER SOMETHING THE PLACE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. ONE THAT HAS OVER MANY YEARS. THAT'S THE 1770S ISSUES WE ARE DEALING WITH. WE STILL HAVE GORGEOUS TREES OR TREES WERE IMPORTANT THEN THE ART IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK, THE LAST CENTURY. BEAUTIFUL SETTINGS AND WE STILL HAVE THOSE BEAUTIFUL BIG TREES EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE SLATED TO BE CUT DOWN. THIS IS THE ONE THAT HISTORIC HOMES WERE IMPORTANT. MA TOURS HIS WHEN HE WAS A FOUR YEAR OLD BOY. IT'S STILL THERE. IT'S THE RESIDENTS OF THE FAMILY. JIM, IMPORTANT IMPORTANT AREA AROUND THIS SITE, ACROSS THE THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANNA SAY WHAT'S PROPOSED IS NOT APPROPRIATE. WOULD [03:50:01] LIKE TO ASK THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AGAINST IT. ANYONE OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT SAID ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS PROJECT? ANY LETTERS OF REPORT? UM, WE WANT SOME ASSURANCE. ASK RICHARD. RE AGREE. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR RICHARD RE I LIVE AT 605 RIVER ROAD. CAME, STARTED WITH PROJECT AS THE NO LONGER PRESIDENT COMMITTEE AS A RESULT INVOLVED IN THIS. IT'S JUST THERE ONLY HAVE TWO SIMPLE POINTS TO MAKE. I DON'T HAVE ANY SLIDES. FIRST IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF HAS, HAS BEEN CONSISTENT IN WHAT IT THESE DEVELOPERS TO DO. AND PART OF OUR FRUSTRATION WITH THIS INCREMENTAL CHANGES THEY'VE MADE IN THIS PROJECT HAVE YET TO REACH OUR BASIC NEEDS OF BASIC. I WILL SAY FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER THE FIRST MEETING IN HT RRC, WE MET WITH THE ARCHITECTS AND THE DEVELOPERS IN THE ANTI-CHANGE OUT HERE. AND WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER AND I SAID TO THE ARCHITECT, I SAID, I'D LOVE TO TAKE YOU UP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INTRODUCE YOU TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE SHOW IN THE BUILDINGS. THE ARCHITECT SAID, I KNOW IT'S WE SAT IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE YOURS AND, AND I STOPPED, SAID, REALLY WE'RE UNIQUE. AND YOU SAID TO ME, ALL NEIGHBORHOODS THINK UNIQUE. NOW WE ARE UNIQUE I THINK ONLY WHICH ARE UNIQUE. WE'RE UNIQUE IN A WAY THAT HAS A COMMUNITY WITH A SET INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE HISTORY THAT RELATIVELY, THE SECOND THING THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT IS THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY, WE ARE, AND NO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYBODY AGREES WITH EVERYTHING, BUT IN THIS CASE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS UNANIMOUS IN OPPOSING THIS PROJECT. WE STARTED OUT WORKING WITH THESE TWO REALLY HOPING WE COULD MAKE THIS WORK. AFTER 18 MONTHS WE DON'T SEE A PROJECT THAT WE CAN SUPPORT AND WE ASK THE STAFF THAT WE ASK YOU TO SUPPORT, VOTE FOR DENYING THE APPROVAL. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. APPLICANT. PLEASE COME BACK. I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS. ONE THING IS ABOUT TREE PRESERVATION AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IS A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. THAT TREE PRESERVATION PLAN IS PART OF THE APPLICATION PACKAGE, PART OF THE PERMIT PACKAGE. YOU CAN'T DEVIATE FROM THAT. YOU CAN'T MOVE THAT TREE WITHOUT A SERIOUS VIOLATION. SO WHATEVER'S IN THAT TREE PRESERVATION PLAN IS CORRECT. IF THE WALL HAS TO GO AROUND IT, THAT'S THE WAY. BUT WE HAVE CERTAINLY DESERVING TREES. IT'S PART OF OUR PERMIT PACKAGE. I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I KEPT HEARING OVER AND OVER ABOUT UNIQUENESS, LOCATION. I THINK IT IS A UNIQUE, VERY UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IS A UNIQUE LOCATION BETWEEN ATCH AND TRAIL. PART OF THE UNIQUENESS ABOUT IS THAT TOWARD THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE CONTEXT, LARGER CONTEXT NEXT TO APARTMENT COMPLEX TO THE NORTH AS WELL. THIS IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE IGNORE IT AND WE HAVEN'T IGNORED IT, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT IT IS DIFFERENT AND THAT WE CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE AND THAT IT CAN BE UNIQUE IN ITS OWN WAY. AND PART OF HAVING A UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIVERSITY. WHY NOT HAVE THE DIVERSITY OF THIS MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX THERE? IT'S ZONE MF 32 GOING LOWER THAN THE DENSITY THAT WE'RE ALLOWED. WE ARE BRINGING, BRINGING SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO THIS AREA AND THAT MAKES IT AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I RECEIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, MOVE FORWARD IN IN THAT RESPECT TO SAY, WELL I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND WE KEEP HEARING THINGS LIKE WE'RE NOT MOVING IT AT ALL. BUT AS YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE LAST SPEAKER, HE SAID, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED OUR POSITION FROM THE BEGINNING. EXACTLY. YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH OF THEM NOT CHANGING THE POSITION. THE GOAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPROMISED. NOT TO SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD [03:55:01] WANTS THIS. AND SO WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING TO WHERE THEY ARE. WE'RE NOT SLOWLY GETTING TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS. THAT'S VERY RARELY A DEVELOPER'S GOAL IN SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE WHERE BOTH PARTIES WALK AWAY UNHAPPY. THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT A GOOD COMPROMISE. WE'VE MOVED AND WE'VE ASKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MOVE AS WELL. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INCREMENTALLY GET TO EVERYTHING THEY WANT BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WITH OUR GOALS WE CAN GET THERE, BUT WE CAN GET TO A COMPROMISE. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT, THIS IS A UNIQUE SITE, UNIQUE CHALLENGES AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE MET THEM ALONG THE WAY. THERE ARE GUIDELINES IN PLACE, A PROCESS IN PLACE WE MET THAT WE FEEL WE'VE GOT A GOOD PROJECT MR. CHAIRMAN. I AND SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THIS OF CASE THAT CAME IN NOVEMBER IN OCTOBER, A CASE THAT WAS IN CHANGED. I'M JUST GONNA, YOU COME HERE PRETTY MUCH SUPPORTED BY THE A NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN PRESENTATIONS, MY FEELING JUST IN TERMS OF CONSTANT DISCUSSION. FIVE, IT'S A MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I DON'T FORCE NO, UM, IT MOVING ANY FURTHER WITHOUT ALL OF STREET FOR GRADUATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS TO THE, THAT YOU PROPOSED RIGHT? PERSONALLY UNDERSTANDING THE TERMINOLOGY A BOX BUILDING. SO THIS, THIS, IT KIND OF CAUSES THAT SITUATION. BUT THE WAY THAT TRAIL BACK TO THE CENTER, THE WAY DIFFERENT, [04:00:01] YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERIOR TO HAVE WHATEVER DIALOGUE. I DON'T PERSONALLY THE TRAIL GRADUATING, BEING RIGHT NEXT TO BUILDING REDUCTION IN SESSIONS AND UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU'D WANNA GET BUSY AND CONSTRUCT A PROJECT. WE'VE SEEN THE THEALL WORK VERY HARD. IT'S IT'S A LITTLE UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT IT DOESN'T WITH THE CRITERIA. I DO RECOGNIZE THAT SHE COULD, I THINK YOU WOULD STILL HAVE BEFORE. SO, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COME BACK, LISTENING CAREFULLY TO THE, IT'S A GREATER SACRIFICE IS ON SACRIFICIAL MAJOR, BUT THE RIVER, RIVER NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE RIVER ROAD IS SOON IN PART LA IS THAT WHEN IT RAINS, I DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN VERY FEW NEIGHBORHOODS WITH INTELLIGENCE COMM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF IF THE THIS IS, I'M NOT GONNA [04:05:07] GONE THROUGH A LOT OF, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE. ONCE WE GOT THAT APPROVAL, WE MOVE FORWARD AND NOW WE'RE ASKED BACK. IT'S LIKE WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REFINE WHY MADE SOME MISTAKES, CHAIRMAN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN, I'M JUST ADDRESSING THAT COMMENT. I'M ASKING THEM TO MOVE DON STRESS IN THIS AREA BETWEEN A ONE AND HALF STORY AND THE ONE STORY PROVIDED BY, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHERE THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL [04:10:03] TALKING ABOUT, I AGREE WITH CONCERNS THAT THE REASON WHY THIS COMMISSION. I DO, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, IS THERE A WAY THE FINAL DESIGN OF THAT TWO STORY, THE MOTION WAS, I DON'T WANNA CHANGE MY MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE OF YOUR PROJECTS PROJECT THIS WAS IF UM, WHY HAVEN'T YOU LOOKED AT THE, UM, THE SCALE OF MASS AS IT RELATES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY? IT'S, IT'S A CONSIDERATION. CONSIDER PROXIMITY. [04:15:02] I CAN ANSWER THIS LOOSES. IT'S KIND OF A BOX CONSIDERATION. IT DID, THEY MOVED SO FAR TAKING BUILDING FIVE IN THE SAME MANNER. BUILDING SIXES DWELLING, COMPROMISE WHAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING. PERSPECTIVE E I CAN PROVIDE HERE. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN ELEMENTARY CONSIDERATION. UM, AT, AT THIS, AT THIS POINT. UM, IT, IT REALLY SHOULD ANSWER A MOTION. SECOND, JUST REAL QUICK COMMENT TOO, IF I COULD ECHO SOME, SOME THOUGHTS THAT WERE SHARED THAT I REALIZE HOW COMPLICATED PROCESS CAN BE, ESPECIALLY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND, AND SO I DO APPRECIATE WHEREWITHAL, THE INVESTMENT, THE TIME COMMITMENT, SOMETHING. UM, THESE PROJECTS ARE HARD FOR ME. WHERE IT IS, IT ALL MAKES SENSE FOR ME. , THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE ONE THOUGHT, DIFFICULTY EXTENT. TRY TO FIND WAY TO CAN'T THAT DOESN'T MEET ON DOCUMENTS ON BUILDING. I WOULD, WOULD THAT COVERS THE ELEMENTS. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE MOTION REQUIRED UNDERSTANDS THE FINAL. ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT A FINAL APPROVAL THAT LEAVES OUT PART OF THIS TO COME BACK AGAIN FOR A FINAL. WE'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES SAYING WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR TWO YEARS AND IF WE I AGREE HONESTLY I AND I DON'T FEEL A TO APOLOGIZE [04:20:02] FOR THAT. THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WAS VERY CLOSE ON CONCEPTUAL APPROVALS. I CAN REMEMBER I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK ON THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE SITE FEATURES. I DO FIND THE REVISED SITE FEATURES APPROPRIATE THAT THEY'RE NOT LOCATED HERE. THERE IS A MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED SAY NAY. NO, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. AYE. FERNANDEZ. SI. SI. GIBBS. GIBBS. NO. VELASQUEZ VELAZQUEZ NAY. NO. OLA OLA. SI CARPENTER. CARPENTER A NO. RUBE GRUE AYE TEAM. OMAN. OMAN. SI FEY. NO LA LA A. NO. THAT IS A SPLIT VOTE. NO, THE MOTION. WHAT IS THE EXPIRATION ON THIS APPLICATION CONTINUED. THE APPLICATION EXPIRED BEFORE JANUARY 15TH. WE ARE GIVING CLEAR GUIDANCE TO THE APPLICANT. CLARA DIRECTOR. RIGHT, BUT THE APPLICATION, LET ME GO AHEAD AND READ TO YOU THE APPLICATION 60 DAY TIME PERIOD. IT WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER THEY REQUEST, SO REALLY ONE 30 ALSO REMINDERS COMMISSION. WE'RE HERE NO MATTER WHAT, MATTER WHAT THE AGENDA IS. THEY, THEY'VE MADE AN EFFORT. EVERYBODY'S MAKING AN EFFORT TO GET SOMEWHERE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE CASE AUTOMATIC APPROVAL BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DAYS BETWEEN THIS. [04:25:59] UH, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF, IF BUILDING FIVE OR IS THAT THE SAME? WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING FROM THIS FINAL APPROVAL FOR EVERYTHING A PORTION BUILDING FIVE, NOT A PORTION. THIS IS THE SAME TRAP WE DID IN CONCEPTUAL WITH THIS PROJECT. WE GAVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OVERALL, BUT THIS BUILDING, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK AT A LATER DATE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE WAS ALL SORTS OF CONSTERNATION ABOUT IT I BELIEVE. OR AT LEAST IN A D R C MEETING. I CAN'T REMEMBER THIS PRECISELY, BUT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING HAS BEEN A PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO OVER AGAIN. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M NOT COMFORTABLE. I'M KEEPING THAT OUT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, OKAY, SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO, WHICH IS 28 DAYS. SO THAT EXTENDS THE 60 DAYS BY 28 DAYS. IF YOU COUNT ON THE CALENDAR 28 DAYS THE COMMISSION COULD TAKE ACTION BUT THAT WOULD BE THE LAST, SO THAT FIRST MOTION IS VALID THEN? YEAH. THAT MEANS IT COULD, BUT I'M JUST COMMISSIONER FISH. SO YOU JUST FOR THE APPLICANT, I MEAN OR SOME OTHER, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE DENIED THE FIRST QUESTION. GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE TO THE APPLICANT. WHAT EXPECTS BEFORE NEXT MEETING SINCE MEETING WILL BE LAST CHANCE? WELL I'VE BEEN IN NUMEROUS DRC WITH THE APPLICANTS SITTING THROUGH INABLE COMMISSION MEETINGS AND BUILDING FIVE HAS BEEN THE, I'VE HAD CONCERNS WITH BUILDING FIVE MENTIONED THAT TO THE APPLICANT AND ALL THE DRC NEEDS. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOWMAN THAT UH, THE PROJECT HAS PROGRESSED FROM ORIGINALLY AND THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A TRANSITION ZONE BETWEEN THE MAIN PORTION OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMERCIAL ADJOINING DISTRICT. I'M OKAY WITH THE UH, MULTIFAMILY, BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS BUILDING FIVE FROM DAY ONE. MR. CHAIR REGARDING THOSE OF US THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET BOARD WITH MINE WOULD BE BUILDING FIVE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE THE BUILDING WE TO THAT FOLLOW THE SAME RULE, WHICH WHICH IS IT'S MASSING GRADUATING. IF IT'S RIGHT FOR TRAIL, IT SHOULD, SHOULD BE RIGHT FOR THE BE MORE LINE TO SUPPORTING DEALT WITH BUILDING FIVE AND WITH THE WEST, UM, WITH REDUCING THE MASSING ON THE WEST OF BUILDING ONE. WELL WE HAVE A MOTION FOR YOU A SECOND OR TO FAIL AND WE NEED A MOTION APPLICANT CON CONCURRENCE WITH THE 30 DAY EXTENSION OR THE EXTENSION. SO WITH THAT IN MIND WE DO THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE, [04:30:02] FROM THE APPLICANT, SO THE U D C REQUIRES THE CONCURRENCE OF THE APPLICANT FOR POSTPONE. I'M REQUESTING A FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO CONFIRM WE'LL CALL A FIVE MINUTE RECESS CALLS, UH, H D R C BACK INTO SESSION. OKAY, SO THE APPLICATION APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 18, ON NOVEMBER 6TH. IT WAS POSTPONED BY THE COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 20TH. IT WAS POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND ON DECEMBER 6TH THAT WAS POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. SO THAT'S 28 WOULD BE ADDED TO THE 60 DAY. BUT THE 60 DAYS IS WHAT YESTERDAY WOULD'VE BEEN YESTERDAY HAD NEVER BEEN IF THE APPLICANT HAD NEVER ASKED TO EXTEND, WHICH MEANS 28 DAYS OF JANUARY. AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TODAY. BUT BUT NOW DIDN'T WE TAKE ACTION DENIED THE APPLICATION THAT DENIED WAS A PREVIOUS APPLICATION. THE MOTION FAILED OR THE MOTION WAS MADE. YOU EITHER MAKE A NEW MOTION OR THE ITEM AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUE AND IF IT'S AUTOMATICALLY IS AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED, I GONNA TRY TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ MADE BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT DID NOT CONCUR MOTION. SO, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH, WITH THE UH, AREA THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS GRAY AND SCHEMATIC MATCHING THE DETAILING OF BUILDING, BUILDING SIX, UM, AS PRESENTED FOR, UM, IF THAT IS APPROVED, THAT WOULD GO TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL. DETAILING PROVIDED I DON'T IS IT, IS IT CLARIFICATION? THAT'S VERY CERTIFICATE TO CLARIFY. THE THE DIFFERENCE IS ALSO THAT THE DETAILING WOULD BE SET OUT AS PROPOSED. THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY GRAY AREA AS WAS PREVIOUSLY HESITANT ON THE COMMISSION. IT WOULD BE DICTATED BY THE DETAILING THAT'S ALREADY PROVIDED. MOTION. MOTION. DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. NAY? NO, WE ROLL CALL. VOTE. OKAY. YES. VOTE FOR FERNANDEZ. AYE. FISH FERNANDEZ. CBBS NO. AYE. QUE C VELASQUEZ NAY. NO. OLA. OLA. AYE. C CARPENTER CARPENTER. NO. RUBE RUBE. AYE. C BOWMAN BOW AYE. C FENCER. C AS AS AN AYE FOR C LA LA. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL. JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HEY, AGENDA ITEM B 23 4 0 3 MONTANA, UM, IS A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE SUBMITTED BY OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF. UM, STAFF HAS WITHDRAWN THAT APPLICATION FOR TODAY AND IS NOT REQUESTING ACTION. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN BE HEARD. UM, I WOULD OFFER HER A CHANCE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME. ELAINE, BETTER [04:35:01] ELAINE, BETTER CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. ONE FOUR STREET, FOUR STREET CONSERVATION SOCIETY FOUND HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT FRED EARLY WORK IN SAN. BEEN TO DESIGN, PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN DEVELOPING MANY THE 1920 NEIGHBORHOODS. THREE SURPASSES THRESHOLD NECESSARY. DESTIN, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 2024 S THREE CONSTRUCTED REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS RECOMMENDING THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE WINDOW CONFIGURATION. MY NAME IS SUE ANN TONTON. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR FOUR. UH, THE UH, ITEM THAT UH, THAT IS STILL AN ISSUE IS, UH, THE, THE WINDOWS AT THE SECOND FLOOR LEVEL. WE HAVE AGREED WITH STAFF'S CONCERNS OR REVISED DESIGNS AS CONCERNS. YOU WERE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE LAST MEETING, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAPPEN. GAVE US SOME TIME TO RESOLVE. I THINK HAD BEEN CONCERNS WITH PARTY PLANK SITING, WHICH IS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURES BE SMOOTH INSTEAD OF THE EXISTING TEXTURED. WERE CONCERNED WITH. THE VISIBILITY IS NOT FROM THE STREET, CANNOT SEE IT. UH, THIS EITHER ONE OF THE STRUCTURES. WE DID LOWER THE PLATE HEIGHT TWO FEET WHICH MEANS THAT THAT THE HEAD HEIGHT OF COURSE THE WINDOWS IS ALSO OR IF WE GO WITH WINDOWS THAT HAS LOWER LEVEL STILL WILL BE ON THE FLOOR, WHICH IS GREAT CONCERN TO OUR CLIENT. SO OUR REQUEST IS TO UM, SINCE WE'VE LOWERED THE, THE ROOF LEVEL TO GO WITH A SQUARE WINDOW AND AWNING WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO A DOUBLE HAUNTED WINDOW. ALL I THINK ALL OTHER ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESULT RESOLVED. IT'S THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW IN THE NORTH ELEVATION. THAT'S ONE THAT DOES GO TO THE FLOOR RES. IF WE CAN GET BY WITH A SMALLER THERE THAT'S REQUIREMENT. SO BECAUSE YOU LOWERED THE, SO BECAUSE YOU LOWERED THE PLATE, YOU CAN'T MOTION A SECOND AGENDA. ITEM B 25 H E R C CASE NUMBER NUMBER 20 19 7 7 0 7 DAWON. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUC TWO STORY MAKES USE BUILDING ON THE LOT AT 7 0 7 DAWSON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL CONSIDERATION TIME. I WILL READ EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY BUT THEY'RE NOT PPLICANT HERE PLEASE. ALL RIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON. OR HERNANDEZ HERNANDEZ. SO WE'RE OPEN STUDIO ARCHITECTURE FIRM WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. UH, SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES MET WITH BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS I THINK WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS. [04:40:03] UM, AND I THINK TO YOU SENSITIVE TO THAT AS WELL. I JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU GUYS A BRIEF RUN DOWN ITERATION. A QUESTION ABOUT 50% I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. THE OTHER QUESTION WAS OF COVER, WE DID KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONTEXT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SOME OF THEM ARE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSCIOUS OURSELVES ROUGHLY THE PERCENTAGE. UM, ED, DO YOU MIND SCROLLING DOWN? UH, SO THIS IS KIND OF A OVERALL PERSPECTIVE OF THIS BUILDING. THIS IS THE LATEST ITERATION. JUST KIND OF WANT TO RUN THROUGH SOME BRIEF DETAILS, COMMENTS. I BELIEVE BELOW WE'VE DONE, WE ALSO ADDED IT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE. YES. AND UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL IS NOT VISIBLE IN THIS. UM, SOME OF THE OTHER, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON ACTUALLY IN THE PARKING LOT I BELIEVE OUTSIDE THAT UH, THERE'D BE, I AM CONCERNED WITH CONGREGATION OUTSIDE OF THOSE STOREFRONTS. WE'VE ACTUALLY RECESSED THOSE ENTRANCES A LITTLE BIT, SIDEWALK CURRENTLY PEOPLE, PEOPLE TO UH, SO I'LL START WITH THE SITE. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THE PARKING IS PRETTY MINIMAL. WE GIVEN THE SOME OF THE COMMENTS ON ON THE SITE OF DOWN. WE'VE DONE THAT, WE MAY OPEN THEM UP. CURB WE ARE ZERO ON HACKBERRY, WHICH CONSISTENT WITH MOST, PARDON THE INTERRUPTION FOR A SECOND. THE DOCUMENT. THIS IS BY THE APPLICANT. I JUST LOADED THIS. I UNDERSTAND IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE COULD ACTUALLY GO THROUGH EACH STIPULATIONS STAFF, ALLOW THE APPLICANT BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME STAFF IS SEEN THESE AS WELL, CORRECT? WE DID HAVE A D R C AS WELL. I KNOW SOME OF IT. COMMISSIONER FISH YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT 'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS APPROPRIATE TIME. I WILL. BUT DO WE WANNA WALK? LET'S WALK THROUGH THE, WE HAVE NEW DRAWINGS. STIPULATION ONE WAS AT THE APPLICANT INCREASED THE SETBACK IN EASTERN MADE TO CREATE A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AND THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURE. SETBACK. I DON'T DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS UM IS UPDATED OR THIS CURRENT FLOOR PLAN HAS ADDRESS THAT SO WE CAN REVISIT THAT. SECOND STIPULATION TWO. THE APPLICANT INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED BUILDING TO LOT RATIO AS WELL AS PROPOSED AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER IS THE COVER IS NOTED IN FINDINGS. H AND S. THE APPLICANT NOTED THAT ON SLIDE ONE WE CAN REVISIT THAT FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION LATER. THREE. THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT REDUCE [04:45:01] THE PROCEED MASSING OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING J. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF FINDS THAT MASSING AND MATERIALS THAT PROPOSED SECOND STORY PORTION SHOULD BE MODIFIED IS NOTED IN FINDING KEY BASED ON THE PERSPECTIVE THAT WAS SHOWN MOMENTARILY AGO RECENTLY. I DON BELIEVE WHAT IS SHOWN HERE ADDRESS IS STAFF STIPULATION. UM, THERE'S STILL A METAL CLAD. IT IS STILL MORE OF A INDUSTRIAL FEEL RATHER THAN A COMMERCIAL FIELD SHOWN IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH THE BRICK THAT THE APPLICANT ADJUST THE CANOPY LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT. APPLICANT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR FILED THAT THE PROPOSED METAL WINDOWS FEATURE AN APPROPRIATE INSTALLATION SEAL PROFILE IN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED EARLIER THE APPLICANT BE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT MORE OR LESS FROM STAFF THROUGHOUT DEVELOPMENT. THAT NEEDS TO BE MINE. UH, STIPULATION SIX. THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION INCORPORATED IN BOTH THE EAST AND WEST SIZE IS NOTED IN FINDING TWO BELIEVE THAT'S SHOWN HERE AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SEVEN. IN REGARDS TO DRIVEWAYS, THE APPLICANT IS NOTED THAT UM, ON SITE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED EQUIPMENT AND SERVICE EQUIP BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS FLIPPING TO WHERE THAT'S SHOWN NOW. STIPULATION NINE THAT ALL PARKING BE SCREENED AND BUFFERED FROM YOU IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT LANDSCAPING PLAN. BELIEVE STIPULA THREE, TWO, AND THREE I BELIEVE ARE THOSE THAT WE DISCUSS IN DETAIL THE VIABILITY OF THIS CONCEPT. JUST TO UH, LOOK AT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE. CAN YOU HELP ME IDENTIFY THE EASTERN MOST BAY SO WE CAN ALSO GOOGLE GOOGLE MAP PROPERTY? WE FELT THAT IMPORTANT. I CAN GIVE A BRIEF REPORT FROM THE D R C. YES PLEASE. SO THIS IS ALREADY A COMMERCIAL SITE. THE APPLICANT WAS REFERENCING OTHER COMMERCIAL WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND SHOWED A NUMBER THAT MOVE UP TOWARD THE STREET AND THE CORNERS. MUCH APPREHENSION RESIDENTIAL 13. 1319 RESIDENCES. I THINK WHAT WE FOCUSED IN ON PROGRAMMATICALLY WAS THAT WAS THE BACK OF HOUSE, A SOLID BAY PREVIOUSLY SHOWN ON THE EAST TO THE RIGHT SIDE THERE THERE WAS BACK OF HOUSE APPEAR TO BE TRASH AND STUFF. SO WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTICULARLY THERE AS IT RELATES TO THE RESIDENT, WHICH YOU CAN'T QUITE MAKE OUT IN THAT IMAGE BECAUSE OF HIGH THERE WAS SOME CONCERN BOTH IN THE SETBACK OF THE WAY THE SCREENING OF THE SERVICES RELATED TO THAT AND THE HEIGHT OF THE, ON THAT SIDE UP HACKBERRY THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS OF A CONCERN BECAUSE THERE'S A LARGER MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT COMPARED TO AND LESS OF AN ISSUE THERE. I THINK THE SENSITIVITY WAS. BUT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE A REALISTIC OF. FOR INSTANCE THE SECOND STORY MASSING AND THE DETAILING OF THAT STEP ON THAT BE MORE CONSISTENT. THE LEVEL BONDS AT THE EASTERNMOST BAY SHOULD BE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT. TWO AT LEAST GIVE A CUSHION TO THAT OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE [04:50:01] NEXT DOOR THEN. SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS THAT STAFF ON SHOULD BE ADDRESSED NOW SEXUAL APPROVAL AND THAT'S THE REASON WE NOTED THAT SHOULD BE GUN PRIOR TO RECEIVING RECOMMENDATION. SO WE CAN EITHER MOVE THIS TO R C AND HAVE ANOTHER MEETING YOU CAN MAYBE WITHDRAW AND COME BACK ADDRESSING THOSE SITUATIONS. UH, WHILE ED QUEUES THAT UP, WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CONTEXT ON THE ACTUALLY WORSE AND YARD SET BACK WHERE YOU'RE RUNNING A DRIVE THROUGH AND IN THIS INSTANCE YOU'RE PROPOSING COMING VERY CLOSE TO A CORNER LIKE THAT STRETCHED VERTICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAM THAT I BELIEVE WANTED. I NEVER DID GET A VERIFIED HEIGHT OF THAT WALL, BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT WAS WELL OVER 30. SO IF YOU IMAGINE THAT PARTICULARLY NEEDING TO BE THE SCREEN. SO THAT THIRD STORY IS NOT THE MASS IS NOT IS OF THE TERRAIN BUT ITS PROXIMITY IS ORIENTED TOWARD THE UH, SIX OR SEVEN OR EIGHT STORY BUILDING ALONG HACKBERRY. I DO FEEL LIKE MR. CHAIR, I KIND OF ONE QUESTION. IS IT CONCERN? YES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE DRC. THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY THINGS HERE. [04:55:01] THE ASPECT OF THIS IS HOW THIS RELATES TO THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES ON THE BLOCK WHEN IT COMES TO CONCEPTUAL. IF YOU WERE HERE EARLIER GRANTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH RESULT, A LITTLE HESITANT CONCEPTUAL THINK WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT FOR YOUR CLIENT IS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE, WHERE WE STAND ON A BUILDING LIKE THIS THAT'S ORIENTED ABOUT THE CORNER WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE AND TWO, TWO STORY KIND OF STRETCHED TALL AND I THINK FOR THIS COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE CONCERNS THAT THE PROJECT IS WOULD BE FOCUSED ON. AND I HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT. SO JUST IN GENERAL, I DON'T THE METAL TYPES, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU AWAY. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL GREAT THINGS THAT WE COULD SECOND MOTION. I'LL REMOVE MY MOTION ALL MOTION FURTHER DISCUSSION. MOTION PASSES. ITEM B 26 H DRC CASE NUMBER 20 19 6 9 9 11 THROUGH NINE 17 NORTH. APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOTS. ADDRESS NINE 17 NORTH PINE FEATURES ACCESS TO NORTH PINE TO APPLICANT RECOMMENDATION. GOOD EVENING. I'M CHARLIE TURNER. SORRY CHARLIE TURNER. THE URBAN HOMES. I GUESS THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO SPEAK. DID THEY BE A CITIZEN TO WE'RE ASKING FOR [05:00:18] THEM COMMENTS INVOLVED WITH HIM TO, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF PROPERTY PINE, SORRY, IN PINE STREET. A LONG DAY PROPERTY. THERE WE GO. UH, THIS IS UH, SHOWING A, A BUILDING CALLED PERSONAL OF OUR BUSINESS. YEP. BUTTON RIGHT THERE WE GO. OKAY, UH, LET ME SHOW YOU. THE HILL IS MOISTURE STRONG DIRECTION. THIS ME, AH, THIS WILL SHOW YOU JUST THE FELLOWSHIP, WHICH OFFICE TIL WALL BUILDING IS ABOUT 14, 15, 16 FEET TALL BUT NOT A VERY HANDSOME BUILDING. WE THEN ON TO THE RIGHT, WE FROM H BELIEVE NOT FROM THE OUTSIDE OF IT WITH GREEN WALLS THAT WE CAN SHOW DEMOLISHED THE CONCEPT CONCEPT THERE. OUR WHICH IS THERE IN RANGE CALLED PINE SITS BEHIND ADDRESS, SITS BEHIND THE COMPLETED BUILDING ON PINE STREET PARKING LOT THAT IS NOW CURRENTLY NAST PARK, OUR DEVELOPMENT. YOU'LL BE ACTUALLY MINIMIZING THE IMPACT MOVE. THESE ARE JUST FORMS THAT WE SETTLEMENT. START LOOKING AT THOSE FORMS. THE FOUR KEY PILLARS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. THEY SAID IN THE APPLICATION [05:05:23] VESTIBULE CALLED THE OUTDOOR ENTRY, WHICH MAY BE RIGHT NOW WE SHOWING DOORS OR SOMETHING LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE YOU CAN COME INTO WHAT WOULD BE THE STUDIO, A CONFERENCE TABLE THERE, A BAR OFF TO RIGHT THEN YOU CAN GO UPSTAIRS AND THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE BUILDING IS ONLY STRUCTURES. AND WHEN WE GOT OUR ZONING ON THE PROPERTY, UH, SO THAT YOU SEE THE BOUNDARY THERE, ALL THESE LOTS AND THE PREVIOUS APPROVED. OKAY? AND THIS ALSO SHOWS CONTEXT OF ALL THE OTHER STRUCTURES AND BUILDING AROUND US DEVELOPMENT. HOW IMPACT. IMPACT WE'VE MET WITH SEVERAL TIMES SHOW MAIN AN BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE BACK OVER SYSTEM. UH, THE, THE, THE PERVIOUS MATERIALS RIGHT NOW FORM STARTED CREATING. NICE MOVE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THEY ASKED US TO DO CAN'T [05:10:07] TO THEM TO NOPE, NOPE, SORRY. UH, AND HERE AGAIN, THIS SHOWS BETTER HOW THE BEGAN TO STRUCTURE THE ELEVATION OF HOW WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THOSE, SOME LOW UH, YOU KNOW, LOW PITCHED ROOF AND BEGAN TO LOOK AT THE BOTTOM DRAWING AND SEE HOW WE'RE SHAPING ALL THE BEING IN ORDER CARRY THE WATER TO OR TO THE SIDE. AND WE CARRIED IT TO THE SIDE. WE IN, UH, IN UH, GUTTERS ALL THE ROOF AND EVERYTHING. AND ONCE WE GET INTO FINAL AND WE ALSO SHOWED SOME HEIGHTS, WE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN WHAT WE DID. WE BROUGHT THE DOWN LOWER ON THE RIGHT, THEN PITCHED IT UP A CEILING THERE AND THEN BELOW SEE HOW THE ROOF A VERY COMMON THIS, BUT WE HAVE IT ALL THE TREES ACTUALLY SITTING BEHIND THAT EXISTING BUILDING ON THE RIGHT CONCEPT. OKAY? AND, AND THEN I WENT AND LISTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH, WE KIND OF REORGANIZED IT [05:15:19] IS THOSE WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO THE ONES THAT WE WANNA ADDRESS TODAY IS, UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE ENTRANCE ELEMENT. THIS IS WHERE THEY IS NOT ENTRY TO THE OPEN UP AND CLOSE UP IN THE EVENING AND BE ABLE TO GO INTO THE, OKAY. OKAY. AND WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. ELAINE VETER. ELAINE VETER. ELAINE. ELAINE VETER FOURTH STREET. I'M HERE. REPRESE ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING NICHOLAS SPIKER. NICHOLAS SPIKER, SENIOR SPIKER T VALERIE CORTES. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. SORRY. TOO CLOSE THERE. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS NICHOLAS SPIKER. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. THIS WILL BE MY FIRST H D R C MEETING. SO I LIVE AT 9 1 9 NORTH PINE I WAS REFERRED TO MANY TIMES BY THE APPLICANT. I HOPE YOU ARE JUST AS CONCERNED AS I AM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS OF THE UNPREPARED AND VAGUE NATURE OF THE PRESENTATION. UM, I PREPARED THESE SLIDES HERE. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS MY HOME ON THE NORTH SIDE 9 1 9 NORTH PINE. THAT'S PLAYED A BEAUTIFUL AND GRUESOME HISTORY. FRED COSCO LIVED IN MY HOME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHO THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW THE MAN I NEVER DID, BUT I DON'T THINK HE WOULD APPROVE OF THESE DESIGNS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M NOW HAVING FIVE HOMES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MY PROPERTY, BORDERING MY PROPERTY. CAREMARK IS ALSO PROPOSING 18 MORE. NOT AT THIS MEETING BUT IN THE FUTURE. SO IN THE FUTURE I'M LOOKING AT HAVING SEVEN TOTAL SUPPORTING MY PROPERTY. PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. SO SOMETHING ELSE I WANTED TO MENTION. THE DRAINAGE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ON NOVEMBER 7TH, THEY DID NOT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT DRAINAGE THEY PUT INTO THAT PLAN AFTER I BROUGHT UP THE CONCERNS ON NOVEMBER 17TH. UH, THE APPLICANT SAYS THEY'VE WORKED, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY'VE WORKED WITH END THAT THIS IS A COMMITTEE OF THREE PEOPLE. I HAVE A, THIS IS A PETITION I HAVE GARNERED OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS, THREE TO FOUR HOURS A DAY GOING FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE. THIS IS 64 SIGNATURES. THIS, THESE AREN'T SIGNATURES FROM ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS PEOPLE IMPACTED [05:20:01] RIGHT THERE. PEOPLE IMPACTED BY THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS BILL. OKAY? SO I'VE PREPARED THIS MAP TODAY ACTUALLY THREE MORE HOUSES. THE BLUES ARE PEOPLE WHO'VE SIGNED. IF YOU SEE BLUE AND A YELLOW DOT THAT INDICATES PEOPLE WHO'VE SIGNED, WHO'VE BEEN HERE 40 YEARS OR MORE. I CALL THEM LEGENDARY SIGNERS. THE BLACK INDICATES VACANCIES. THE PURPLE INDICATES PEOPLE, UH, WHO I KNOCKED AND THEY DIDN'T ANSWER THIS PURPLE ON HAY THAT YOU SEE. THEY HAVE SIGNED THE PURPLE THAT YOU SEE THE FOUR X TOOK. THAT MEANS I WENT THERE FOUR TIMES I WENT THERE FIFTH TIME TODAY THEY HAVE SIGNED. WHAT THIS MEANS IS WE HAVE THE ENTIRE BLOCK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS CONSTRUCTION. LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE HOME ON THE BLOCK. SO TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IS JUST SIMPLY NOT TRUE. NO H P AND THE MOST EGREGIOUSLY D H N A, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD HAVE GONE HOME TO HOME, NOT ME. I WORK FIVE JOBS. I AM BUSY. I HAD TO TAKE OFF TIME FROM WORK RIGHT AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME TO DO THIS FOR THE CITY TO SHOW THEM PEOPLE CARE. PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. THE RED DOTS ARE TWO THAT DID NOT SIGN THIS RED DOT ON THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER. THAT IS A PERSON WHO JUST BOUGHT THEIR HOME TWO MONTHS AGO. THE RED DOT ON THE TOP. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH REMARK FOR YEARS. UH, I HOPE I'M CLEAR ABOUT THAT MOVING FORWARD OR AFTER FACTORING OUT THE VACANCY AND NO ANSWERS. I DID THIS YESTERDAY. I GOT A FEW MORE HOUSES. 97% ARE OPPOSED IN THE AREA. 5% SUPPORT. I HOPE YOU SEE HOW EGREGIOUS STATUS THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANT INADEQUATE ACCESS TRASH RIGHT NOW. TERRAMARK PARKS, THEIR CARS, THEIR EMPLOYEE CARS IN THAT LOT. WHERE ARE THOSE GOING TO GO? I HAVE A PHOTO IN THIS SLIDE TO SHOW YOU THE TRUTH. PROOF, PROOF OF THAT. NO SPACE INCONSISTENCY. TOO MANY HOUSES. PLOT SIZE TOO SMALL DRAINAGE. I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE DRAINAGE AND THEIR PLAN THAT THEY PROPOSED TODAY WITH THE FRENCH DRAIN THAT IS GOING THROUGH MY NEIGHBOR. 9 0 9 NORTH PINE, A HOUSE THAT THEY BUILT WHO SIGNED THIS SIGN, THIS OPPOSITION. ISN'T IT ILLEGAL FOR DRAINAGE PLANS TO GO THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY? IS SHE GONNA GIVE APPROVAL FOR THIS? I'M NOT SO SURE. HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. TOO MUCH FOR BLOCK NON-CONFORMING. TWO DENTS DOESN'T FIT APPEARANCE. OKAY, THESE ARE THE EXAMPLES THAT TERRAMARK AVA'S CONTEXTUAL ELEMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERY HOUSE YOU SEE HERE HAS SIGNED PETITION. FIRST OF ALL, SECOND OF ALL, THE HOUSE IN THE TOP LEFT, THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1900. THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS, THIS IS NOT WHAT TERRAMARK JUST PROPOSED. IF THEY WERE PROPOSING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD AGREE THE HOUSE IN THE TOP RIGHT. THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT IS NOT OKAY TO USE NEW CONSTRUCTION AS YOUR CONTEXTUAL ELEMENT FOR HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH AS DICK WOOD HILL, THESE TWO HOMES IN THE BOTTOM, SHARI, SHE SIGNED THIS UH, PETITION THAT IS ALSO A NEW CONSTRUCTION. NOT FAIR TO USE THAT AS CONTEXTUAL ELEMENT. NINE 16 NORTH MESQUITE. I WENT THERE TWICE. THEY DID NOT SIGN. THAT'S ABOUT A HALF MILE AWAY. THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE. NOW THAT THE EXTERNAL, THAT'S A BOX A SQUARE. SO THAT IS STARTING TO MEET THE CONTEXTUAL ELEMENTS THAT PARAMARK IS PROPOSING. UH, BUT THEY SIGNED RICK ERY, HE SIGNED MY PETITION. I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR HERE. OKAY, THESE ARE, THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN I GOT. IT'S BEEN CHANGED THREE TIMES. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW UNFAIR THAT IS TO ME, TO THE PERSON TRYING TO SAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE TO DEAL, DEAL WITH THE CON CON CONSISTENT CHANGES. THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BOXES. SO NOW I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF HISTORICAL HOMES IN THE BRONX. HISTORICAL HOME. HIS HOME, HISTORICAL HOME. HISTORICAL HOME. BEAUTIFUL HISTORICAL HOME. HISTORICAL HOME. HISTORICAL HOME. OKAY? THE COMMUNITY VOTE THAT NEVER HAPPENED. AND I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SO WE COULD VOTE ON IT AS WE DO FOR OTHER THINGS. UH, I GOT THIS EMAIL VOTE NEVER HAPPENED. SO I'M SHOWING THIS FRENCH DRAIN 9 0 9 NORTH CAROLINA. MY NEIGHBOR, SHE SIGNED THIS PETITION. THE FRENCH DRAIN'S GOING THROUGH A PROPERTY. IS SHE GONNA BE OKAY WITH THAT? NOT SO SURE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEMOING THIS PARKING LOT HERE. HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO THAT? WHEN THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT HERE FACING PINE AND MOST EGREGIOUSLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT, NONE OF THESE HOUSES ARE FACING A STREET. THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES THAT COME WITH THAT. AREN'T THEY H B R SITE C GUIDELINES? DON'T THEY SAY SOMETHING ABOUT NO FRONT PARKING? WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS PARKING HERE THAT'S FACING A DRIVEWAY? IS THAT CONSIDERED FRONT PARKING? THESE HOUSES AREN'T FACING A STREET. THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED IN DIGNITY HILL. WE DO NOT WANT THIS PRECEDENT TO OCCUR. I HAVE THREE FEET OF EROSION. THIS IS THE BEGINNING. THIS IS THE FRONT. THERE'S MY NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD. I FIND THIS IS ABOUT A FOOT OF EROSION. OKAY? UM, SO I HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY, BUT I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, 64 PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED THE ENTIRE 900 BLOCK DOES NOT AGREE WITH THIS. WE WILL FACE A COMPROMISE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO BUILD TWO HOMES AND TO AGREE, SIT DOWN WITH US, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BLOCK, AND AGREE TO A [05:25:01] COMPROMISE. WE DON'T WANNA STOP DEVELOPMENT, WE WANT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S REASONABLE AND THAT MEETS THE CONTEXTUAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. LULU, FRANCOIS FRAN. GOOD EVENING. BLUE VAN WHITE 17 NODAL NOLAN. AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S A LOT OF PASSION ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. ANOTHER ISSUE THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WAS BRIEFLY MENTIONED WAS THE, UM, STORM OR THE DRAINAGE FROM THE RAIN. THE NEAREST STORM DRAIN IS, UM, SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY AROUND THE CORNER. SO SOMEONE HAS ASKED ME TO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE THAT THAT IS A HUGE CONCERN FOR PEOPLE. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE NOW WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPING THREE HOUSES, RAIN, MUD IN THE, AND THE DRAIN OFF AND THE RUNOFF THAT COLLECTED JUST ON THE PART OF HAZE HAY AND PINE WAS HUGE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THE IS NOT VERY GOOD. AND IF THESE THREE ADDITIONAL, UM, BUILDINGS OR PROPOSED, THEY THINK THAT WOULD CAUSED YOU MORE PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE DRAINAGE IS DOWN THE STREET AROUND THE CORNER OF LA MARK. THAT WAS, UM, I WAS REQUESTED TO MAKE THAT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL WERE AWARE OF THAT. BESIDES THE IMPAS CLEAN FROM EVERYBODY ELSE THAT LIVES AROUND THAT TO TRY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING UP. I MEAN, IT'S JUST NEVER ENDING CLUSTERS OF THESE LITTLE GREEN HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT WITH ABSOLUTELY NO YARDS FOR PARKING TO DO ANYTHING OUTSIDE TO BAR. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE APPLICANT. COME BACK PLEASE. THANK YOU. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE OCCASIONS THAT BEEN PASSED AROUND, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY SEE OR HAVEN'T SEEN, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN ADDRESS. THEY HAVE 65 PEOPLE THAT HAVE, THEY HAVEN'T SEEN OUR PLAN. THEY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO IN A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE PLAN. AND SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE WORLD'S GOING ON THERE, BUT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURES, A MEETING WITH THE COMMITTEE, WHICH WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO FOR, THAT REPRESENTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I MEAN THEY, IT'S THEIR OBLIGATION OR THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE THESE MEETINGS AND THIS INFORMATION TO THEIR BOARD. AND HOPEFULLY WE'D LOVE TO GET A, GET THE BOARD WHO IS, IS THE AUTHORITY FOR TALKING, YOU KNOW, LETTING AND THEY HAVE MEETINGS AND LET THE NEIGHBORHOODS COME IN AND TALK TO ME, HAVE A CHANCE TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE FRENCH DRAIN AND WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN A FRENCH DRAIN. IN FACT, THE DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING A GOOD DEVELOPER IS NOT TRUE AT ALL. IN FACT, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER NOW, WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH A BIG PARKING LOT. WE HAVE MINIMIZED, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PROCEDURE, BUT A LOT. WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF, OF, OF ASPHALT OFF THAT PROPERTY AND CREATED MORE IMPIOUS AREA THAN IT THERE WAS. WE PURCHASED A PROPERTY LAST LOT. UH, THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA TAKE, TAKE EVEN EVEN MORE OF THAT OFF BY VIRTUE OF IF WE JUST LEAVE IT AS AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT, IT'S GONNA KEEP RUNNING JUST LIKE IT HAS. BUT WE ARE, WE HAVE A CHANCE OF, OF MITIGATING THAT AND, AND RESPONSIBLY TAKING IT TO WHERE IT DOESN'T GO POSSIBLY. WE'VE EVEN GOT A RECEIPT. WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN APPROVAL TO DO A GREEN ROOF ON OUR BUILDING. WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT $50,000 TO COLLECT THE WATER, CONTAIN IT AND, AND, AND RELEASE IT VERY SLOWLY INTO THE, INTO THE STREET. SO TO SAY WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SENSITIVE TO DRAINAGES FAR BE IT. I CAN BRING YOU THE DOCUMENT, SHOW YOU THAT THEY'RE APPROVED. SO THESE AREN'T THINGS WE'RE DOING BECAUSE WE'RE IRRESPONSIBLE. THIS IS OUR HOME, THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT STORIES ARE BEING TOLD OUT THERE. I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT AND, AND ADDRESS THOSE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US. THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. CAN I GET YOU TO JUST BRIEFLY OUTLINE THE ZONING AND THE PLATING AND THE UTILITIES GROUND TO GO THE RIGHT DIRECTION HERE. GO TO THIS IS THE, THE SITE PLAN. UH, THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT SHOW THE HOUSES TO, TO THE SOUTH, WHICH I CAN GO TO. MAYBE I'M MORE SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED IN THE WAY THAT IT WASTED AND WHAT IT AS TRY TO GET THE ONE, THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. THAT'S HOW THE PROPERTY WAS PLANTED. OKAY. AND IT WAS ALSO APPROVED THROUGH THE AND AND REZONED. DURING THE REZONING. IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC AS TO THE DENSITY AND THE COMMENT THAT WE'RE DOING 18 HOUSES IN THE BACK IS NOT CORRECT AT ALL. IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT 10 OR 11, WHICH IS WHAT WE AGREED TO DO AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING AND [05:30:01] THE APPROVAL, UH, TO GET THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE. UH, SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WHOLE PROJECT, WHICH WAS DONE IN CONCERT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BRINGING THE PRESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT VOTED AND TOOK THIS TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND VOTED ON IT AND PROVE THIS PLANT. SO WE'RE NOT DEVIATING FROM THE PLANT AT ALL. THESE ARE PLANTED LOTS OF UTILITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT IN. UH, AND YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY REDUCED A LOT OF THE, THE ASPHALT PARKING LOT WHERE THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. THEY HAVE YARDS IN THE BACK AND THEY HAVE YARDS IN THE FRONT NOW AND THE FACT IT WAS A PARKING LOT BEFORE. SO THE MITIGATION, WE'VE BEEN DOING NOTHING BUT MAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETTER FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE. FOR THE MOMENT WE BOUGHT SITE PLAN WAS, UH, ATTACHED YEAR WAS THAT PROBABLY 2016. OKAY. COMMISSIONER 17 PAGE, PAGE 13 OF THE PDF. AND YEAH, FOR COMM COMMISSIONER THE, UH, THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS YOUT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. THEY ARE, WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO THAT WHEN WE GOT OUR PLAT APPROVED. THE PLAT REQUIRES US TO PUT IN ALL THE UTILITIES. SO WE ACTUALLY PUT IN POWER AND, AND ALONG THE DRIVEWAY. AND UH, SO ALL THAT'S BEEN, THAT WAS A SOLID PARKING LOT. SO WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN UP ABOUT FIVE FEET NEXT TO OUR ASPHALT ROAD AND PUT IN, UH, PUT IN ALL THE UTILITIES. WE'VE ALSO REMOVED ABOUT THREE FEET IN THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY AND PUT IN A WATER LINE BACK THERE. SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED REMOVING THE, THE ASPHALT. THE REST OF WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS ALL IS ALL. AS COMMISSIONER FISH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE BECAUSE WE WERE AT D R C SO WE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED THIS D R C THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING THIS. I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE FIRST PART OF THIS DISCUSSION HAS TO DO WITH, WITH, UH, THE, THE, THE UTILIZATION OF THIS LAND THAT IS BEHIND THIS HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE, UH, THAT WAS BUILT IN THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT IS FULFILLING A MISSING TOOTH. THIS WAS ALL PART OF A PARKING LOT. SO THE WAY THAT THESE PARCELS ARE ADDRESSED HAS A LOT TO DO WITH COMMENTS ABOUT FRONT PORCH ELEMENTS AND PARKING. THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT HOW CAN THE RESIDENTS NOT FRONT. THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. IT WAS PLOTTED OUT. HOW ARE THESE ADDRESSED? WHAT THE, THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDRESS OFF OF PINE STREET. THEY'RE ALREADY ADDRESSED. WE HAVE A, THEY'RE LIKE, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE LIKE A 9 15, 9 17. WELL, THE COMMENTS THAT RELATE TO FRONT YARD, CURTAIN AND PORCH ELEMENTS TO BE, ARE PROBLEMATIC IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THIS WAS PLOTTED. AND I, I THINK, UH, IN THE YEAR THAT, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ID Z ZONING BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN WASN'T, UH, MAY HAVE BEEN REQUIRED, BUT NOW IT'S REQUIRED TO A GREATER, SO MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I INITIALLY LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT IS THIS WAS PLATTERED THIS WAY ATTACHED THE SITE PLAN WAS ATTACHED AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE. TRUE. CORRECT? YES, I BELIEVE SO. SO IT WAS ALSO PRESENTED IN THE D C I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE D R C. WE DIDN'T GET A SECOND THEN I'LL HAND THIS OFF. UM, THAT THIS WAS A LIVE, A LIVE WORK, UH, SITUATION WHERE, WHERE YOU WANTED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OFFICE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT WAS, I BELIEVE THE ENTIRETY OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE RESIDENCE IS ABOVE AND IT'S LIMITED TWO STORIES. AND THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS THE IDENTITY OF THIS THING AND WHAT IS THE PRECEDENT IN THE NEIGHBOR. THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR MIDBLOCK, UH, OR COMMERCIALLY ORIENTED STRUCTURES THAT COULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ACHIEVE. UM, WHAT, WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR KIND OF END GOAL WAS HERE AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT REFORMS AND WHAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE RULES. I THINK MY CONCERN WAS MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ARE THESE FOUR SMALL HOUSES TO TILTED UP AND WHICH CASE THE RESIDENTIAL GUIDELINES OF MORE DIRECTLY AND SPECIFICALLY APPLY IS, UM, A DIFFERENT KIND OF SETUP. AND, UH, I, YOU HAD DESCRIBED US, YOU HAVE ZERO LOT LIMITS ON THE ZONING THAT RIGHT. WE DO AS I D Z, THE SIDEWALKS IN THE FRONT LOT, WHICH WE'RE NOW ACTUALLY ON A PUBLIC STREET. UH, BUT, BUT THERE IS NO SITE, THERE IS A REAR PROPERTY SITE BACK, UH, OF A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET. SO SINCE, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING WE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HEIGHT, THE WAY THAT THE MASS RELATED TO THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, PARTICULARLY THOSE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. THERE ARE THREE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES HERE. UM, IF WE ARE TO VIEW, LOOK AT THIS AS A TYPICAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CONFIGURATION, WE, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH THE WAY THIS WORKS. UM, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS [05:35:01] AS A LIV WORK COMPONENT THAT HAS MORE OF A, I WOULD SAY A COMMERCIAL CONNECTION TO THE HISTORICAL PRECEDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THERE'S POTENTIAL THERE. BUT AS FOUR LITTLE HOUSES STOOD UP, I, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE CONSISTENCY OF THE LANGUAGE AND WHAT WAS BEING REFERENCED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC, WILL YOU FILL IN THE GAPS FOR ME? YEAH. SO, AND I THINK THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND I THINK, THINK THAT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH FOR US TODAY EITHER OR IF YOU ARE, THEN I THINK YOUR MESSAGE THAT YOU'RE GIVING US IS RESIDENTIAL. AND THEN THE OTHER PART THAT WE DISCUSSED, IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL AND IF IT WAS GONNA STAY THE SITE PLAN IS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NEIGHBORS. SO THERE'S SOME KIND OF A GRAY AND UM, ACTUALLY WE ALL HAVE IN THE FOLD OF THE PRESENTATION OF, OF THE NEIGHBOR AND I WAS, UH, I KEPT LOOKING AT THE PICTURES SUBMITTED AND I CAN ACTUALLY, HE MEASURED, WE ASKED YOU TO COME, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US THOSE PICTURES. THERE'S APPARENTLY ALMOST LIKE THREE FEET HEIGHT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHERE YOU'RE AT RIGHT NOW. AND THE, SO IF YOU'RE ADDING THREE FEET OF GRADE AND THEN 26 FEET OF BUILDING NEXT TO HIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THEN THAT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT IS ALSO PART OF, I MEAN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN WE WERE PROVING THIS ADDRESS THAT AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE PROPERTY THAT HE HAS OBVIOUSLY IS A VERY DEEP PROPERTY. AND YES, HE HAS PROPERTY THAT, THAT VARIES IN TERMS OF AT THE FRONT WHERE PINE STREET IS AND WHERE WE DID OUR DEVELOPMENT THERE FROM ONE SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY TO HIS PROPERTY IS MAYBE A FOOT DROP. OKAY. AS YOU GO FURTHER BACK. BUT THE CHURCH DID, APPARENTLY WHEN THEY DID THIS, WHEN THEY DID THEIR PROPERTY, WHEN THEY BUILT THIS PROPERTY, THEY CAME IN, PROBABLY TOOK THE NATURAL GROUND, BROUGHT IN ALL THE BASE FOR THE PARKING LOT, ADDED UH, ASPHALT. AND THEN OVER THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS, THEY KEPT ADDING ASPHALT TO IT. SO THEY PROBABLY RAISED THE ELEVATION OF NATURAL GROUND BY, YOU KNOW, A FOOT TO THE 16 INCHES AND, AND SO ON HIS SIDE. AND THEY HAD A, HAD A, UH, A CURB THAT WAS SITTING THERE. SO THEY LITERALLY, LITERALLY JUST CREATED A DAM ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY OWNED. PULL UP THE PICTURES. YEAH, THAT WOULD HELP US. LET ME, LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS TOGGLE WORKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, IT'S IN THE PRESENTATION OF THE NEIGHBOR. SO IT'S IN THE FOLDER LETTERS. SO WE NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND MEASURE IT ALL. AND THERE, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE HIS FOOTPRINT, HIS FINISHED FLOOR IS, IS THREE FEET ABOVE HIS NATURAL GROUND. THAT'S THE WAY HE, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. SO THEY HAVE A SLAB THAT GOES DOWN TO NATURAL GROUND, THEN THERE'S THREE FEET OF SLAB BEFORE YOU GET TO THE, TO THE ELEVATION OF HIS HOUSE. SO THE FACT THAT HIS NATURAL GROUND IS LOW DOESN'T MITIGATE THE FACT THAT HIS HOUSE IS ELEVATED HIGH. 'CAUSE APPARENTLY WHEN THESE WERE BUILT BACK IN, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THEY WERE BUILT A LONG TIME AGO, THEY HAD TO BUILD IT UP. 'CAUSE HIS LOT WAS LOW. AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALSO GO AS A SITE. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE TODAY, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE STILL HAVE A LONG AGENDA THAT WE'VE HAD A LONG DAY. I STILL DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR APPROVAL. UM, I, AND IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING US INFORMATION. I THINK THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION. IF COMMISSIONER FA IS A GREAT POINT. YOU'RE PUTTING RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, TO ME THEY'RE MORE RESIDENTIAL. YOU HAVEN'T REALLY STATED A CASE THAT IT'S GONNA BE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. IF IT WAS A COMMERCIAL, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT IS JOINING MAYBE THE TWO BUILDINGS AND DOING SOMETHING LIKE WHERE YOUR OFFICE IS AND YOU'RE USING YOUR OFFICE AS THAT, AS AN INSPIRATION TO A COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S GONNA BE NEXT TO YOUR OFFICE. BUT NOT FOR SEPARATE. I'M STILL, I KNOW THAT'S SOME OF ALWAYS, ALWAYS STAY THERE BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO RESIDENTIAL, WE DON'T LIKE QUALITY YARD PARKING. YOUR ENTRY MISSING REFORMS ARE NOT TRADITIONAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THOSE STIPULATIONS WILL ALWAYS THERE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THEM. HOW DO WE, SO HOW DO WE GET IN THE MIDDLE GROUND? THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. I'M TING THIS TO MAKE SURE YOU SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TODAY BECAUSE WE ASKED YOU TO REVIEW THAT AND I DON'T THINK IT CHANGED THAT MUCH. SO EITHER WITH YOUR SITE VISIT OR ANOTHER C I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET FAR HERE TODAY AND WE'RE NOT DESIGN WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT. UH, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT IS A VERY, VERY, UH, IT'S PROBABLY AT THE WRONG HOUR. IF YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE, IT'D BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. BUT AS FAR AS WHEN SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT CONCEPTUAL, THAT IS A CONCEPTUAL PRESENTATION, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT COMMENTS BY YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR ISSUES. RIGHT. UM, THE, UM, I, I'M WONDERING, MR. CHAIR, IT, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE, THE PRESENTATION WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF CONCEPTUAL, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S ANOTHER, LIKE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. A, [05:40:01] THERE NEEDS TO BE CONCEPTUAL B UH, BECAUSE MUCH OF THE CONCEPTUAL THAT WE GET IS FAR BEYOND CONCEPTUAL. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROBLEM WITH THE PRESENTATION HERE IS THAT IT'S UM, MORE TRUE TO THE TERM CONCEPTUAL, BUT UH, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE LOT LIES, THAT WAS IN THE, UM, IN THE STAFF'S UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, WHEN YOU SEE THE IMAGE, IT APPEARS THAT THE LENS'S ALREADY BEEN PLATTED. SO IT'S ODD THAT THERE'S NOT A SURVEY ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. I THINK THIS WHAT'S MISSING IS A SURVEY DRAWING. YEAH. THE ACTUAL, ACTUAL NEW PLAT WITH RESPECT TO THE DESIGN. UM, JUST AS A COMMENT, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IT ALSO PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE SOMETHING NEW AND FRESH AND SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURE TO SAY THAT THIS ABSOLUTELY HAS TO MATCH OR FOLLOW. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT IT'S IN A HISTORIC CONTEXT, BUT IT'S ALSO AN ODD SITE. IT ALSO, IT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF REVOLUTIONARY IN ITS WAY. MAYBE THAT'S PREMATURE, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT. RIGHT. BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING AREA, A VERY INTERESTING MIX OF NEW ODD THINGS IN HISTORIC CONTEXT. SO I WOULD, UH, AGREE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. BUT UH, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S NOT A PRE CONCEPTUAL THAT ACTUALLY QUALIFIES IT AS SUCH. IF I MAY SPEAK, HAVE A FEW, A FEW COMMENTS ALL NIGHT LONG. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M ING WITH IS ACTUALLY A VERY INNOVATIVE LANDING USER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THIS COULD BE, I THINK WITH THE RIGHT APPROACH TO WORKING REALLY CLOSELY TURNER. BUT I THINK THE COMPLEX OF THIS IS SUCH THAT I HATE TO RUSH THIS AND PROPER CONSIDERATION REQUIRE CONSIDERATION INTO ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE MAP BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY. THIS I WOULD LIKE TO REFER BACK IN DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING THAT I, I WOULD LOVE TO ATTEND TO ATTEND THIS AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD SEE THE ADJACENCIES AND TO VIEW THE SIGHT LINES A LITTLE FROM THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION HERE. BUT THINK TO A STEEP AND UM, IS A MOTION SIR. MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. OTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD, WOULD, UH, APPLICANT INVITE, UH, MEMBERS FROM THE BLOCK CAPACITY IN INFORMED MISCOMMUNICATION WITH THAT, I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT I THINK, I THINK THAT THERE WAS, UH, SOME REALLY GOOD COMMENTS. I MEAN I THINK YOU PICKED UP ON 1, 2, 4 AND EIGHT BEING THE COMMENTS THAT ARE NEEDING TO BE CONSIDERED. AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY IS PLATTED LENDS A LOT OF PROBLEMS TO THOSE ISSUES. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO SPEND YOUR TIME KIND OF MASSAGING THOSE CONCEPTS. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY GONNA BE DIFFICULT ABOUT THIS. BUT THINK THERE SOME OPPORTUNITY AND I WOULD AGREE AND I WOULD AGREE THAT, UM, MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY MORE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, WELL, I, I THINK WE REALLY EXPRESSED SOME OF OUR CONCERNS WHEN WE AT THE D R C MEETING ABOUT THESE THINGS. SO IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT, I WOULD SAY UP IN ARMS, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE SOME GOOD CONCERNS AND I DO AS WELL. I THINK THAT DEFINITELY SHOULD INCLUDE THEM MORE IN THIS PROCESS. VERY MOTION IS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. NAY. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. MOTION PASS. AGENDA ITEM B 27 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 20 19 7 0 8 434 SHERMAN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL [05:45:01] STRUCTURE ON THE LOT AT 4 34 SHERMAN STREET LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF SHERMAN AND NORTH DO WITHIN THE DIG HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE GUIDELINES PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THERE ARE 11 ITEMS THAT STAFFS NOTED. GOOD EVENING, I'M ROBERT SPEAKING FOR THE OWNERS ON BEHALF. ON BEHALF. WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WANT ME TO START. WANT ME TO START FROM ITEM ONE THROUGH 11? YES, I CAN. UH, SURE THING. I'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY START BY READING OUT. SO ITEM ONE THAT A SET SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK WE USED IS NOTED IN FINDING D. BEAR WITH ME AND I'LL PULL THE SITE PLAN UP. UM, ITEM ONE, THE SETBACK. UH, AS WE HAVE INDICATED PREVIOUSLY, WE SUBMITTED UH, GOOGLE IMAGES AND TWO SANBORN MAPS THAT SHOW THAT THE HOUSE ON THAT WAS AT UH, FIVE TO SEVEN FEET FROM THE PROPERTY. UH, PROPOSED. UH, RESIDENCE IS AT 13. YEAH, 13 FEET, WHICH IS DOUBLE DISTANCE, ALMOST DOUBLE DISTANCE OF THE PREVIOUS RESIDENCE ON THAT SITE. ADDITIONALLY, UM, ALL THOSE HOUSES ON OLIVE STREET ON ARE ON SITES THAT ARE 150 FEET DEEP. OUR SITE IS HALF OF THAT AT 75 FEET. WE SUBMITTED ANOTHER EXHIBIT A THAT SHOWS THAT UH, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE MANY HOUSES, MANY EXAMPLES WHERE THE HOUSES ON THE CORNERS OF THESE BLOCKS WERE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINES THAN THE INFILL HOUSES. SO WE'RE JUST, UH, FOLLOWING HISTORIC PRECEDENCE ON THAT ITEM TWO THAT ARE FRONT FACING AND THAT IS TOWARD NORTH DOOR, WITHIN THE FRONT PORCH BE INSTALLED TO MATCH THE HISTORIC PROFILES NOTED IN FINDING F REGARDING THE, UH, FRONT FACING DOOR, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS UH, A LOT OF EXAMPLES AND WE JUST PROVIDED 16 ADDRESSES AND IMAGES SHOWING WHERE FRONT DOOR, THE FRONT DOOR OR THE ENTRY DOOR SIDE FACING FROM THE, FROM THE PORCH. WE PROVIDED 16 PHOTOGRAPH PHOTOGRAPHIC EXAMPLE ADDRESSES OF THAT. ITEM THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED. FOUNDATION HEIGHTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING H WE IN OCCUR WITH THAT PROPOS FOUNDATION HEIGHT TO BE ONE FOOT, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE ONLY ONE FOOT HEIGHT ELEVATION FOUNDATION. JUST NOTE THAT, UM, THE FOUNDATION MEASUREMENT SHOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTION. NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT CONTINUED TO WORK TO REDUCE THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. AN INCREASE IN FRONT SETBACKS MAY RESULT IN A REDUCTION. WELL I THINK I'VE ADDRESSED THE FIVE WHICH WOULD MORE COMPLIMENTARY OF THOSE HISTORICALLY NOTED IN FINDING I ON THE ROOF DESIGN. [05:50:05] TWO. AND THEN WHEN YOU ONE RIDGE BIT THAN THE OTHER BUILDING AND WE'VE GOT A DORMER DORM ON THE FRONT. IT'S CONSISTENT. IT'S CONSISTENT. IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO A LOT OF DORMERS CONCERN IN REGARDS TO THAT IS THE HISTORICALLY WOULD PERSON SEVEN REGARDS TO READ ALL THE SPECIFIC NO MATTER CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS CAN BE MATERIAL THAT MATCH SPECIFICALLY. UM, I SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN LAST TIME ALSO. WE DID SUBMIT 1.1. REALLY HARD TO READ. UH, WHAT IS THE SIDEWALK? IS IT STILL YEAH, WE'RE SHOWING INDIVIDUALS I GUESS. UH, UH, I SUBMITTED ADDRESSES AND UH, PHOTOGRAPHS. PHOTOGRAPH DESIGN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, I CAN GIVE YOU PHOTOGRAPHS. I CAN RATTLE OFF THE ADDRESSES BEFORE WE GET INTO SPECIFICS. DO HAVE A CITIZEN HEARD BETTER? I CONSERVATION [05:55:03] SAN ANTONIO. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, SENIOR PRESIDENT, WE, IF I IS CONCUR, THAT MEAN WE GO BACK TO D R C. THIS IS A FINAL APPROVAL. THINK IT'S, UM, BUT YOU'RE GIVING HIM DIRECTION. MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OF ALL NAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR. JEFF, THE MOTION. JEFF, JENNA, ADAM B 28 20 [06:00:34] LOOKING AT CAP IS A VERY LOW PROFILE AND I WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT HERE. UH, IN FAVOR OF THE, IN FAVOR OF THE MR I WOULD MOVE AGENDA THREE. MR. CHAIRMAN, IN LIGHT OF THE, WE HAVE A MOTION. MOTION, WE NEED CLARIFICATION. A MOTION TO PASSES TO INSTALL THREE NEW WOOD WINDOWS TO [06:05:02] EXTERIOR. I WOULD SUBMIT THAT EQUIPMENT MECHANICAL. I WASN'T QUITE SURE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU CONCUR. THE CUSTOMER GIVE VIRTUALLY THE SAME APPEARANCE. ALL OF THE OTHER MEASUREMENTS WOULD BE THE SAME MATERIAL. IS IT TO THE GLOSS OR IS IT DUE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VINYL IN PART PARTICULAR VINYL. VINYL IS TYPICALLY VERY DIFFICULT TO PAINT. OTHER HISTORIC WINDOWS IN THE CONTEXT ARE PAINTED. IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT FINISH. SO, SO IT HAS A MATERIAL QUALITY THAT AGES VINYL CONSTRUCTION ISSUES AND THAT'S CONSIDERED BUILDING. IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACING KIND, WHICH IS WHAT IS WHAT IS WHAT IS WOOD. AND WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD. HISTORICAL B 32. CASE NUMBER 2019 AT 1 45 EAST A AVENUE SAYS PARA [06:10:02] BREAKFAST CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO COMPONENTS THE APPLICANT PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS, DON'T ANY THOSE PICTURES. UM, PRESENTATION, BUT WE DO HAVE THREE HANDOUT SETS. SO THESE ARE VINYL WINDOWS? YES, THESE ARE WINDOWS. WINDOWS, MADERA. UM, THEY WERE VERY DETERIORATED GOING INTO THE HOUSE. OKAY, BUT THERE, I MEAN THERE'S TWO ISSUES. [06:15:01] REMOVAL WERE LOST. CHANGE ANY THE SIZE WE HAD TO MOST OF THE WINDOWS THEY WERE LEANING PROBABLY WITHIN, UH, TO THE TOP OF THE WINDOW. IN NANDO. THE CASE, THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS NOT ACTUALLY APPROVAL. THE OPTION IS TO REMEDY THE SITUATION TO PREVIOUS CONDITION DECEMBER 4TH. [06:20:07] WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING TO DRAW OR THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE'LL HANDLE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. MOTION TO ADJOURN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.