May 13, 2026 City Council B Session

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>> MAYOR JONES: GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS NOW 1:05 P.M. ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 13, 2026, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO B SESSION IS CALLED TO ORDER.

MADAME CLERK, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

>> CLERK: MAYOR, WE HAVE QUORUM. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION TODAY. THE SHELTER AND HOUSING FRAMEWORK AS WELL AS AN UPDATE ON THE 2027 BOND PROCESS.

ERIK, OVER TO YOU FOR PRESENTATION. >> WALSH: THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

SO OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS ON THE MUNICIPAL BOND PROGRAM AND WE HAVE TAKEN THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNCIL IN JANUARY OF OUR SESSION AND HAVE INCORPORATED THEM INTO A PRESENTATION FOR YOU TODAY ON A PROPOSED PROCESS FOR OUR BOND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT. SO A MUNICIPAL BOND PROGRAM IS FRANKLY ANY CITY'S OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND FINANCE THAT CAPITAL INVESTMENT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

MIKE IS GOING TO WALK THROUGH A NUMBER OF SLIDES. IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE BEGUN. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

THAT COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS GOES THROUGH MAJOR MILESTONES SUCH AS IDENTIFYING THE NEED, COUNCIL DISCUSSION, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

THIS AFTERNOON, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING FOR FROM YOU ALL AS A GROUP IS SOME FEEDBACK ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THE PROCESS, AND THE TIMELINE.

WE'VE GOT TWO TIMELINES IN THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE IN JANUARY -- AT THE JANUARY PRESENTATION, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT EITHER A MAY 2027 OR NOVEMBER 2027 SO WE HAVE LAID OUT BOTH TIMELINE OPTIONS. ONE THING YOU WILL NOT SEE IN THE PRESENTATION IS WHAT AN ACTUAL BOND AMOUNT WOULD BE.

GIVEN LAST WEEK'S CONVERSATION AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE TAX RATE, WE DID SHARE SOME PROJECTIONS IN JANUARY. ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FROM THE TAX VALUE IS STILL PRELIMINARY SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN AUGUST. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MIKE.

MIKE IS GOING TO BE ASSISTED BY TROY AND VERONICA ON A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS ON THIS

FIRST PRESENTATION. MIKE. >> SHANNON: THANK YOU, ERIK. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MIKE SHANNON, CAPITAL DELIVERY DIRECTOR. AND AS MENTIONED, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT AS WE PREPARE FOR THE NEXT BOND, THE 2027 BOND.

I'M GOING TO DEVELOP -- THIS PRESENTATION IS DEVELOPED TO WALK YOU THROUGH A KEY PROCESS ITEMS, WHERE WE'RE AT, WHERE WE NEED TO GO. AS MENTIONED, TROY AND VERONICA ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF ITEMS RELATED TO IT.

SO, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 2022 BOND PROGRAM. AND THIS IS JUST A HIGH-LEVEL STATUS OF OUR 2022. WE HAD OVER 180 PROJECTS APPROVED BY VOTERS LAST TIME IN 2022 BOND. AND WE ARE AT 66% COMPLETION, EITHER COMPLETE OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S A METRIC THAT WE FOLLOW, ALONG WITH THE BOND.

YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBERS THERE. YOU KNOW, 59 COMPLETED, 64 UNDER CONSTRUCTION, DESIGN 63. WE'RE IN THE FOURTH YEAR OF THE FIVE-YEAR BOND AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS -- SO ALMOST 40 OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN DESIGN WILL, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, COME TO YOU ALL WITH A SOLICITATION FOR CONTRACTORS TO MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION.

GENERALLY, WHAT WE LOOK FOR -- IF YOU LOOK AT LAST BOND AT THIS TIME, WE WERE SHOOTING FOR OVER 90% OF OUR PROJECTS COMPLETE OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WE ASK VOTERS TO CONSIDER THE NEXT BOND. SO WE ARE ON TRACK FOR THAT BUT CERTAINLY YOU'LL SEE A LOT MORE ACTIVITY BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR

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>> THANK YOU. SO THE 2022 AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND FOCUSED ON FIVE FUNDING CATEGORIES, INCLUDING HOME REHAB FUNDING, CREATION OF NEW HOMES TO OWN IN OUR HOME OWNERSHIP PRODUCTION. WE HAVE FUNDING SET ASIDE FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES, INCLUDING REHAB OF EXISTING AFFORDABLE RENTAL PROPERTIES, AS WELL AS PRODUCTION OF ANY RENTAL HOUSING.

AND THEN OUR FIFTH CATEGORY WAS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH CREATED NEW HOUSING SPECIFICALLY FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN CHRONICALLY HOMELESS AND LIVING WITH A DISABILITY. THROUGHOUT HOUSING BOND FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AWARDED, WE HAVE SUPPORTED OVER 5200 HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED OR PRESERVED, INCLUDING NEARLY 1200 HOMES SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING FAMILIES BELOW 30% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.

IN TOTAL, ABOUT 81% OF ALL OF OUR AWARDED FUNDS ARE COMPLETE OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND THE REMAINING 21% REMAINS IN THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION DESIGN PHASE. WE HAVE COMMITTED ALL BUT $9 MILLION OF THE HOUSING BOND AND THAT REMAINING FUNDS IS SET ASIDE FOR STRATEGIC LAND ACQUISITION TO ACQUIRE PROPERTIES ALONG THE GREEN OR SILVER LINE, WHICH WILL THEN HAVE FUTURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT ON IT .

THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OF PROPERTY ACQUISITION WILL COME TO YOU THIS SUMMER.

NOW, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TROY TO GO OVER OUR DEBT MANAGEMENT PLAN.

>> TROY ELLIOTT, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BEFORE MOVING INTO THE FOLLOWING SLIDES TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED 2027 BOND PROGRAM, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE VALUE TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZING OR RECAPPING MY PRESENTATION IN JANUARY. GIVEN WHERE WE ARE WITH PROPERTY VALUES AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS OUR APPROACH TO MANAGING OUR DEBT MANAGEMENT PLAN AND OUR BONDING CAPACITY. AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN JANUARY, HISTORICALLY THE CITY HAS STRUCTURED BOND PROGRAMS AROUND MAINTAINING A CURRENT WE TALKED ABOUT IN JANUARY, AND WE ARE SEEING OUR BOND CAPACITY DIMINISHED, NOT AT THE SAME LEVEL WE HAD FOR THE 2022 BOND PROGRAM. IF COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A LARGER BOND PROGRAM, IT COULD BE PURSUED IF CITY COUNCIL IS OPEN TO MOVING TO MORE OF A VARIABLE RATE DEBT STRATEGY. THAT VARIABLE DEBT RATE STRATEGY, THE RATE MAY INCREASE OR DECREASE ANNUALLY BASED ON PROPERTY VALUATIONS. LAST WEEK WHEN FREDDIE PRESENTED THE FORECAST, HE WAS PRESENTING THAT OUR TAXABLE VALUES HAVE DECLINED MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. BASED ON THE CURRENT FORECAST, A BOND PROGRAM COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO THE 2022 PROGRAM WOULD REQUIRE A TAX RATE INCREASE TO MEET THE BOND REPAYMENT OBLIGATIONS. CONVERSELY, STRONGER THAN EXPECTED PROPERTY VALUE GROWTH COULD ALLOW FOR A LOWER TAX RATE OR ALLOW US CERTAIN LEVERS TO MOVE THINGS BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF A BOND REPAYMENT PROGRAM. THIS APPROACH WOULD SUPPORT FUNDING AT HIGHER-LEVEL COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD AND DO ADDITIONALLY MODELING AND WORK WITH MIKE AND HIS TEAM ON THE PROPOSITIONS ON HOW WE WOULD STRUCTURE A TAX RATE TO SUPPORT THESE LEVEL OF COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS.

THANK YOU. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MIKE NOW.

>> SHANNON: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, VERONICA AND TROY.

THOSE ARE JUST SOME HIGH-LEVEL UPDATES OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE '22.

CERTAINLY THE DEBT MANAGEMENT PLAN CONVERSATION THAT TROY TOUCHED UPON AGAIN. THIS IS REALLY WHERE THE MEAT OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TALKING TO YOU, AS WE MOVE INTO THE PROCESS AND DEVELOPING THE NEXT BOND, THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOND PROGRAM CATEGORIES. THE FIVE CATEGORIES THAT YOU SEE UP THERE ARE ONES THAT WE HAVE USED HISTORICALLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL BOND CYCLES.

IT'S VERY BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE, BASIC PRIORITIES.

WE HAVE FIVE BUCKETS THERE. WE ACTUALLY HAD SIX PROPOSITIONS LAST TIME BECAUSE THE FACILITIES CATEGORY WAS SPLIT INTO PUBLIC SAFETY AND NON-PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. BUT AGAIN, STREETS, BRIDGES, AND SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE, FLOOD CONTROL, PARKS AND REC, FACILITIES, AND OF COURSE LAST YEAR, AS VERONICA MENTIONED, OUR LAST BOND IN THE 2022, WE HAD $150 MILLION ALLOCATED TO

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THESE ARE THE FIVE CATEGORIES WHERE MOST OF OUR CITYWIDE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS FALL INTO AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY TALK ABOUT AT THIS TIME IS AS WE START IDENTIFYING NEEDED PROJECTS, WHAT ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT ARE MOVING THE PROJECTS ON TO A LIST AND AS WE GUIDE THROUGH A LOT OF CONVERSATION WITH YOU, THE COMMUNITY INTERNALLY WITH CITY STAFF, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, EVENTUALLY BOND COMMITTEES THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT. WE HAVE THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. THESE ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT I'M PROPOSING FOR THE '27 BOND. MOST OF THEM ARE THE SAME BUT I'LL JUST TALK ABOUT A COUPLE. THE PLAN ALIGNMENT. WE USED TO USE ONE CALLED CONNECTIVITY LIKE HOW THESE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS CONNECT US AS A COMMUNITY.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT -- WE HAVE SO MANY PLANS THAT WE HAVE ADOPTED OVER THE YEARS. WE HAVE OUR CITY'S MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS SA TOMORROW.

WE HAVE THINGS LIKE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN, BIKE NETWORK PLAN.

THESE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS GENERALLY SHOULD BE ALIGNED WITH MOVING US FORWARD WITH THOSE PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WHETHER IT'S THIS MAYOR AND COUNCIL OR PREVIOUS OVER THE LAST DECADE OR SO. PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUS.

MOST OF OUR PROJECTS HELP US PROVIDE BETTER HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S FACILITIES, DRAINAGE PROJECTS, STREETS, ET CETERA, PARKS AND RECREATION. RESILIENCY. THAT ONE IS CERTAINLY ONE WE HAVE TO CONSIDER. HOW ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BRING MORE RESILIENCY TO OUR COMMUNITY. HOW CAN WE WITHSTAND NATURAL OR MANMADE HAZARDS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. CERTAINLY, THE EXAMPLE OF FLOOD CONTROL IS ONE.

IN 2022 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT COVID AND WHAT PROJECTS COULD HELP US THERE. RESILIENCY IS A GUIDING PRINCIPLE THAT IS STILL IMPORTANT TO US. THE NEXT ONE IS CALLED ECONOMIC VIABILITY.

THIS IS ONE THAT I PUT IN THERE AND I'M PROPOSING THAT, LOOK, THE CONVERSATION THAT TROY WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF BUDGET CYCLES, CERTAINLY WITH THE FORECAST PROBABLY NEXT WEEK AND AS WE GET INTO THE BUDGET IS WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR AS TO OUR ECONOMIC PLAN MOVING FORWARD, FORECAST MOVING FORWARD. WHILE THAT IS NEVER ABSOLUTE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE TIGHT ON THE BELT.

WHEN WE'RE PICKING PROJECTS, SOME OF THEM COST MORE AND CERTAINLY COST MORE LONG TERM. THAT MAY BE A FACILITY THAT'S NEEDED THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME LONG-TERM COST WHEN THAT NEW FACILITY GETS OPERATIONAL.

BUT AGAIN, SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANY PROJECT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BUT SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AS WE PICK THESE PROJECTS. LAST, OF COURSE, COUNCIL INPUT.

AS WE TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, YOU ALL ARE THE ONES THAT EVENTUALLY APPROVE A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE CAN PUT ON A VOTE FOR REALLY THE VOTERS TO APPROVE. OF COURSE, NOT JUST TODAY BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

YOU'LL SEE IN THE TIMELINE THERE ARE MANY STOPS ALONG THE WAY THAT YOU'LL SEE ME.

YOU'LL BE SICK OF ME. PAUSE FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT. THANK YOU.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE GET ASKED IS HOW WE'RE DETERMINING NEEDS OR PRIORITIES. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS. THERE ARE MORE NEEDS THAN WE PROBABLY CAN AFFORD. THAT'S I THINK EVERY BOND CYCLE THAT WE HAVE EVER TALKED ABOUT, AT LEAST IN MY RESEARCH GOING BACKWARDS. THE NEED IS ALWAYS BIGGER THAN WE HAVE AVAILABLE. WE'RE GOING TO BE FIGHTING FOR PRIORITIES OR TRY TO DETERMINE THE PRIORITIES. WHAT I HAVE HERE IS A LIST OF PRIORITY-LED TOPICS THAT WE'RE USING. WE HAVE DEPARTMENT ASSESSMENTS THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT DEPARTMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT THEIR FACILITIES A FEW YEARS BACK. THEY HAD A FACILITY ASSESSMENT. THAT HELPS GUIDE US AS TO WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES -- AT LEAST WERE A FEW YEARS AGO AND WHERE THEY'RE MOVING. FIRE DEPARTMENT IS GOING THROUGH ONE THIS YEAR BUT WE HAVE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND OTHER FACILITIES THAT HAVE DONE THOSE SIMILAR ASSESSMENTS. WE HAVE MULTI-PHASE PROJECTS. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ALL JUST PASSED SEELING CHANNEL PHASE 4 IN DISTRICT 7 PASSED BY COUNCIL THIS PAST WEEK. THAT IS PHASE 4 OF A REGIONAL DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SINCE MID-2000S.

WE KNOW THAT'S A 20 TO 30-YEAR PROJECT TO FULLY GET THE BENEFIT OF THAT REGIONAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT. WE'RE ON PHASE 4 NOW SO WE'LL PROBABLY BE CONSIDERING PHASE 5. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR OVER A DECADE.

WE HAVE OTHER EXAMPLES OF THAT AS WELL BUT WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE SHOVEL READY. DESIGN IS COMPLETE OR ALMOST COMPLETE.

SOME OF THE CONVERSATION IN THE PAST, THROUGH THE PREVIOUS BOND OR OTHER

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WE CALL IT BELOW THE LINE. WE HAD $1.2 BILLION OF CAPACITY LAST TIME.

WE HAD MORE NEED THAN THAT, OF COURSE. THROUGHOUT THIS LONG PROCESS, CITY COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, THE BOND COMMITTEES, WE WRESTLED WITH ALL THESE PROJECTS TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE COULD AFFORD. ONCE WE GOT TO $1.2 BILLION THERE WERE SEVERAL PROJECTS CONSIDERED BELOW THE LINE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE TO SEE IF THOSE STILL HAVE THE PRIORITY THAT THEY HAD BACK THEN OR MORE PRIORITY NOW OR EVEN LESS PRIORITY. BUT THOSE ARE CERTAINLY A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AND CONSIDER. WE WORK ALWAYS WITH BOARDS, CITY BOARDS AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM. THE LIBRARY HAS THEIR LIBRARY BOARD. PARKS HAS A PARKS BOARD. CERTAINLY, HOUSING HAS THE HOUSING COMMISSION, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. LAST TIME, AFTER THE '22 BOND PROCESS WAS DONE WE STOOD UP TWO NEW BOARDS, THE STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD, STREETS ADVISORY BOARD SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS, HOW TO PRIORITIZE . THOSE ARE HELPING US DEVELOP A PRIORITY LIST AND WE'RE INCORPORATING THAT WHEN WE BRING PROJECTS TO YOU LATER THIS SUMMER.

LASTLY, LEVERAGE FUNDING. CERTAINLY, THERE'S ALWAYS PROJECTS WE LOOK FOR LEVERAGE FUNDING. GREAT EXAMPLE IS IF WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE STATE ON, MAYBE WE PUT 20% OF THE MONEY UP AND THEY PUT 80% OR WHATEVER THAT LEVERAGE FUNDING IS, CAN WE MAKE THE FUNDING GO FURTHER BY PARTNERING WITH OTHER ENTITIES LIKE EITHER THE COUNTY, STATE, OR OTHERS.

SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE THERE. WE'VE DONE THAT.

WE'VE ALSO HAD PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE GIVEN FUNDING TO OTHER ENTITIES.

I'M SURE THAT WILL BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION TO LEVERAGE THAT FOR BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CATEGORIES.

I THINK I TRIED TO LIST THEM VERY BASIC. THERE'S A LOT IN EACH ONE OF THOSE BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING TO DETERMINE NEEDS AND WE WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT TODAY. I'M GOING TO PAUSE AGAIN AND ASK VERONICA TO TALK A

LITTLE BIT ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HOUSING. >> THANK YOU.

AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE 2022 HOUSING BOND FOCUSED ON FIVE SPECIFIC FUNDING CATEGORIES. AS WE LOOKED TO THE POTENTIAL OF A 2027 HOUSING BOND, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT BY ADMINISTERING THE FIRST ONE. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE FOUNDATION OF A HEALTHY, THRIVING COMMUNITY. OUR HOUSING INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN VERY IMPACTFUL AND THERE IS ADDITIONAL CONTINUED NEED IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE BOND.

SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS HAVE EMERGED AS WE LOOK FORWARD, INCLUDING THE NEED TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THIS HOUSING CONNECTION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HELPING THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WITH THE NEXT ROUND OF HOUSING BOND DOLLARS, WE WANT TO CONSIDER CONTINUING THAT A EMPHASIS ON HELPING FAMILIES AT 30% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, UP TO 50% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME AND BEYOND. WE ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER MORE INCLUSIVITY AROUND OUR HOUSING OPTIONS FOR THE UNHOUSED POPULATION BEYOND JUST PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. THIS WOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING CONNECTION IN MARK'S PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON AND HOW OUR HOUSING BOND COULD HELP SUPPORT THE CITY'S INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ALREADY SET ASIDE A SMALL PORTION OF THE CURRENT HOUSING BOND FOR PROACTIVE STRATEGIC LAND ACQUISITION ALONG OUR TRANSIT CORRIDORS. SO WITH THE NEXT HOUSING BOND WE WANT TO CONSIDER MAYBE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND FINALLY, OUR CURRENT BOND DOES SUPPORT THE CREATION OF NEW AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.

SO IN THE NEXT ROUND MAYBE WE CONSIDER BROADENING THE RANGE OF INCOMES FOR WHOM WE ARE CREATING THOSE HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. THIS SUMMER WE WILL BE ORGANIZING AND HOSTING COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS, ONE IN EACH CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT, TO BETTER INFORM THE PUBLIC ON WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE '22 HOUSING BOND AND COLLECT FEEDBACK ON THE IMPACT. THESE SESSIONS START NEXT WEEK ON MONDAY AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOSTING AND HEARING DIRECTLY FROM THE COMMUNITY ON HOW WE CONTINUE TO INVEST IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACROSS THE CITY.

I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MIKE. >> SHANNON: THANK YOU, VERONICA. OKAY. A FEW MORE SLIDES UNTIL WE GET TO THE END. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMITTEE. IF YOU THINK OF LAST TIME AND OTHERS, WE GENERALLY LOOK FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO APPOINT AND CREATE COMMUNITY BOND

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LAST TIME WE HAD FIVE COMMITTEES. THEY HAD 30 PEOPLE EACH SO THEY WERE PRETTY BIG IN SIZE. BUT THEIR JOB IS TO REVIEW THOSE PROJECTS, LEAD MORE COMMUNITY INPUT DURING THOSE MEETINGS.

IT'S A THREE-MONTH SPRINT OF MANY, MANY MEETINGS. BUT EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES GET PROJECTS VETTED SIGNIFICANTLY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS.

THOSE BOND COMMITTEES REVIEW THOSE, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ANY CHANGES. AND THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BRING BACK A LIST OF PROJECTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THAT'S CERTAINLY A BIG PART OF THE PROCESS. THE CITY STAFF CERTAINLY FACILITATES THAT BUT YOUR ROLE IS USUALLY TO APPOINT COMMITTEE MEMBERS BASED ON WHATEVER APPROVED CATEGORIES WE COME UP WITH. WE'LL PROBABLY BE LOOKING FOR THAT SOMETIME MID TO LATE SUMMER TO START THINKING ABOUT WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE THAT YOU WANT ON THEM. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FROM SOME OF YOU BUT THAT WILL BE THE PART WHEN I LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, YOU'LL SEE THAT.

BUT WE CERTAINLY THINK THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMITTEE PROCESS IS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF DEVELOPING THAT FINAL LIST AND GETTING THE SUPPORT FROM -- EVENTUALLY FROM THE VOTERS. SO AS ERIK MENTIONED IN THE GET-GO, HERE'S A PROPOSED TIMELINE. THE PURPOSE IS TO TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LEFT COLUMN, THAT HIGHLIGHTS A NUMBER OF BIG ROCKS THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH TO GET TO A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE WANT THE VOTERS TO CONSIDER. SO WE HAVE THE MAY AND '27 TIMELINES LISTED THERE ARE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. CERTAINLY, WE WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. BUT YOU'LL SEE WE HIGHLIGHTED B SESSIONS, LIKE TODAY. SEVERAL OTHER B SESSIONS AND A SESSIONS.

THOSE AREN'T THE ONLY ONES THAT WE CAN DO. IF WE NEED TO DO MORE, WE'LL DO MORE BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BIG, SIGNIFICANT ITEMS WE'LL BE WORKING ON.

BUT YOU ALSO NOTICED A FEW THINGS. IN THE MAY/JUNE TIME-FRAME, WHICH IS NOW, WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, GETTING SOME FEEDBACK TODAY.

WE'RE ALSO, INTERNALLY STAFF, WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL PROJECTS BASED ON A LOT OF PRIORITIES AND NEEDS. WE'LL ALSO BE WORKING WITH NOT ONLY INTERNALLY BUT EXTERNALLY GETTING SOME COST ESTIMATES BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING BACK TO YOU A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE COST ESTIMATES THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED. SO WE'RE SCOPING AND COST ESTIMATING THOSE THIS SUMMER. WE'LL BE HOSTING -- I THINK I TALKED TO MANY OF YOU ALREADY -- TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH SOME BOND 101 SESSIONS THIS SUMMER.

WE'RE WORKING WITH YOU ALL, WORKING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WORKING WITH YOUR PRESIDENTS, COUNCILS, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. BUT WE THINK THERE'S VALUE IN GETTING IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY TALKING ABOUT WHAT A BOND IS, KIND OF THE BOND 101 STUFF. CERTAINLY, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DURING THE BUDGET TOWN HALL PROCESS WILL PROBABLY BE A BIG PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, OR AT LEAST A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. A LOT OF IT IS TIED TOGETHER, AS TROY WAS MENTIONING. THEN WE'LL BE BACK IN THE SUMMER SHOWING YOU A LIST OF PROJECTS TO CONSIDER AND WE'LL KIND OF CONSIDER THAT BACK AND FORTH BEFORE WE GIVE IT TO THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES.

THE COUNCIL COMMITTEES USUALLY WORK, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THE MAY SCHEDULE -- I'LL USE THAT ONE -- THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER-ISH, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. THE KEY WOULD BE WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT AND CALL FOR A VOTE IN FEBRUARY. YOU'LL SEE THE DIFFERENT TIMELINES THERE FOR THE NOVEMBER. BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE BIG THINGS WE'LL BE WORKING ON AND THE STEPS. A LOT OF LITTLE INDIVIDUAL THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON TO DEVELOP IT. WITH THAT, I WILL KIND OF SUMMARIZE FOR THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY. AGAIN, AS ERIK MENTIONED, TODAY'S REALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

WE NEED A LOT OF INPUT FROM YOU AND THE COMMUNITY. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF PRESENTED TODAY. THINGS LIKE OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT I'M PROPOSING. HOW WE'RE DETERMINING OUR NEEDS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, DOING THINGS THIS SUMMER INTO THE BUDGET SEASON.

AND THEN CERTAINLY THROUGH THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMITTEE STRUCTURE AND PROCESS.

AND THEN CERTAINLY ANYTHING ON THE PROPOSED PROPOSITIONS.

CERTAINLY WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION TODAY.

>> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. THANKS, MIKE. APPRECIATE THAT.

IN CASE IT'S HELPFUL FOR THOSE LISTENING OR FOR ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES -- AND IT RELATES TO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT --G PIECE, THE LAST TIME THAT THIS WAS BEFORE THE VOTERS, MAY 2022, ELECTION TURNOUT WAS 8%.

OBVIOUSLY WITH SOMETHING SO SIGNIFICANT WE WOULD WANT TO HEAR FROM AS MANY OF OUR

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BUT HOW WE GO ABOUT ENGAGING WITH THE PUBLIC AROUND THERE'S A VOTE ON THE BOND, IN PARTICULAR, CONSIDERING THERE WON'T BE OTHER MAJOR THINGS ON THE BALLOT THIS

TIME. >> WALSH: LET ME TAKE A STAB AT THAT, MAYOR.

BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THE COUNCIL CALLS FOR AN ELECTION.

IT TURNS INTO A CAMPAIGN. INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY, THERE IS A CAMPAIGN ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS WITH THAT. THE CITY'S ROLE IN THAT IS THAT THERE BECOMES -- AND EXECUTIVES AND YOU ALL AS ELECTED OFFICIALS -- THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A FACT-BASED INFORMATION SESSIONS ON THE BOND PROGRAM. AND WHEN I LOOK BACK TO 2022, THAT PROCESS REALLY BEGAN FOR THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND THE EXECUTIVE STAFF, IN THE DECEMBER/JANUARY TIME-FRAME AND RAN ALL THE WAY UNTIL VOTING.

THERE ARE CERTAIN RULES THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO. WE CAN'T ADVOCATE OR VOTE -- WE CAN'T ADVOCATE AND TELL PEOPLE TO VOTE YES OR NO BUT THE MATERIALS THAT GET PREPARED IN TERMS OF THE BOND BROCHURE BECOME CRITICAL GUIDELINES FOR US AND INFORMATIONAL PIECES. AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SPEAKER'S BUREAU.

PART OF THAT IS HANDLED CERTAINLY BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE EXECUTIVE STAFF, BUT SEPARATE AND APART THERE'S A CAMPAIGN THAT'S GENERALLY ORGANIZED AND THEY ALSO BECOME PART OF THAT SPEAKER'S BUREAU. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENTS WE DO.

BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ORGANIZED PROBABLY AS WE GET INTO THE FALL AND SEPARATE

AND APART FROM THE CITY. >> SEGOVIA: IF I COULD ADD TO THAT REAL QUICKLY, MAYOR.

WHILE ERIK'S CORRECT, WE CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR OR AGAINST ANY PARTICULAR BOND PACKAGE, THE COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY CALL UPON THE COMMUNITY TO GO VOTE.

>> MAYOR JONES: CERTAINLY FAMILIAR. THANKS, ERIK AND ANDY.

CERTAINLY FAMILIAR WITH THE CAMPAIGN. BUT IN LIGHT OF 8% SPEAKS TO WHAT OTHER THINGS WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO PARTICIPATE IN SUCH AN IMPORTANT PROCESS. AS WE JUST TOOK STEPS TO MOVE THE MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS FROM MAY TO NOVEMBER, RECOGNIZING ONE HIGHER TURNOUT, LOWER COSTS, WANTED TO ENSURE WE WERE CONSIDERING THOSE SUFFICIENTLY AS PART OF THIS. OKAY.

VERONICA, ON THE HOUSING BOND PIECE, PLEASE. HOW HAVE WE TRADITIONALLY WORKED WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST AND THEIR BONDING CAPACITY TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE OVERALL INCREASE SUPPLY IN OUR COMMUNITY? UNDERSTANDING NOT ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO COME FROM CITY BOND MONEY, BUT THEY CERTAINLY HAVE A KEY RESOURCE THERE. HOW HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT COLLABORATING WITH THEM AND USING THAT CAPACITY TO HELP MEET OUR NEEDS?

>> FOR EVERY ONE DOLLAR OF HOUSING FUNDS WE HAVE PUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT HAS LEVERAGED A LITTLE OVER $7 BACK. A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE FULL AMOUNT. BY PARTNERING WITH THE TRUST --O COMPETE FOR THE HOUSING BOND DOLLARS, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER ENTITIES, ALL OF OUR SOLICITATIONS ARE COMPETITIVE. BUT MANY TIMES THEY'RE NOT ASKING -- I SAY ALL OF THE TIME -- THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR US TO FUND THE ENTIRE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO OFFER THE TAX BREAKS THAT THEY DO THROUGH THEIR PFC. THEY'RE ABLE TO LEVERAGE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. OUR DOLLARS GO FURTHER THAN PERHAPS THEY DO WITH OTHER ENTITIES. ON THE STRATEGIC LAND ACQUISITION, WE WILL BE GRANTING THOSE DOLLARS TO THE HOUSING TRUST AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS ALONG THE GREEN AND SILVER LINE AND THEY WOULD BE THE ENTITY THAT WOULD PROCEED WITH THE COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION. OR, AS MENTIONED IN THE HOUSING SUPPLY TASK FORCE REPORT, THEY COULD IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC SPECIAL POPULATION THAT THEY WANT TO CREATE HOUSING FOR AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT

SOLICITATION. >> MAYOR JONES: I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE A CLEAR -- AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT OF MONEY AND BECAUSE THE HOUSING TRUST HAS THEIR OWN BONDING CAPACITY. WHEN YOU COUPLE THEIR BONDING CAPACITY WITH OTHER INCENTIVES, LIKE TAX EXEMPTIONS FROM US, ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A LOT OF NOT OUR MONEY THAT IS BUILDING HOUSING. I WOULD WELCOME UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, A SHORT PAPER THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING THAT MIGHT BE BEST FOCUSED ON ADDRESSING. I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT LEVEL

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BUT ABSENT AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAP IN OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK IT'S HARD FOR US TO JUDGE HOW MUCH WE WOULD WANT TO ALLOT TO THAT. IF YOU WOULD PROVIDE THAT AS A FOLLOW-UP. THANK YOU. MIKE, JUST FOR EVERYONE'S EDIFICATION, IT CAME UP IN OUR SESSION, IF YOU WOULD LEVEL SET WITH FOLKS ON THE

STATUS OF THE 2017 BOND. >> SHANNON: THE 2017 BOND IS NOT 100% COMPLETE.

WE'RE AT 98% COMPLETE OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE STILL IN DESIGN. TWO OF THOSE ARE STREETS PROJECTS.

ONE OF THOSE IS A PARKS PROJECT. I'LL TALK ABOUT THE FIRST ONE FIRST. BRACKENRIDGE PARK HAS BEEN STUCK IN LITIGATION FOR QUITE SOMETIME, FOUR-PLUS YEARS. WE'RE MOVING THE NEEDLE ON THAT, WORKING TO GET A SIGNIFICANT PHASE OF THAT MOVING FORWARD, POSSIBLY THIS SUMMER. BUT CERTAINLY LITIGATION DID SLOW THAT ONE DOWN.

THERE'S TWO OTHER PROJECTS, PROBANDT AND ROOSEVELT THAT WERE PART OF THE 2017.

SOME GOOD INVESTMENT THERE. WE HAVE TO REDESIGN THOSE. WE WENT DOWN A PATH -- THOSE WERE PART OF THE TXDOT BUY-BACK -- NOT BUY-BACK PROGRAM, TURN-BACK PROGRAM WHERE THOSE WERE STATE FACILITIES THEY WERE GOING TO TURN BACK TO US.

THROUGH A SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS, THAT CHANGED. WE HAD ALREADY DESIGNED PRETTY MUCH THOSE PROJECTS SO THOSE DESIGNS HAD TO REALLY BE SCRAPPED AND STARTED OVER. WE'RE BEHIND ON THOSE. BUT 98% COMPLETE OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION. A FEW OTHER PED MOBILITY TYPE WE'RE FINISHING UP.

THE PUBLIC ART PIECE, WE STILL HAVE SOME LEFTOVERS THERE BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING FOR THOSE PROJECTS TO FINISH UP. 98% COMPLETE.

WOULD LOVE TO SAY 100 BUT A FEW EXTRANEOUS CIRCUMSTANCES THERE.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANKS, MIKE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS HELPFUL CONTEXT BECAUSE AS FOLKS BEGIN IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL ROAD PROJECTS THEY WANT, THEM UNDERSTANDING THOSE THAT MIGHT BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THAT SAME HURDLE, WE WOULD WANT TO AT LEAST RECOGNIZE GOING IN. IF YOU WANTED TO AT LEAST KNOW THAT GOING INTO IT OR AT LEAST PRIORITIZE OTHERS THAT DIDN'T COME WITH THAT SAME HURDLE THEN WE CAN SAVE OURSELVES SOME TIME AND POTENTIALLY SOME HEARTACHE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE LIST OF OTHER -- OF PREVIOUS PROJECTS. AND JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT IS HELPFUL IN TERMS OF AN ROI ANALYSIS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE THINK OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I SAW THE FUNDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WENT TOWARD THE PORT IN THE LAST ONE.

BROOKS IN THE LAST ONE AS WELL AS TEXAS A&M SAN ANTONIO.

$40 MILLION JUST FOR THOSE PROJECTS. HOW HAVE WE TRADITIONALLY UNDERSTOOD ROI ON WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, MINUS THE A&M PROJECT. BUT THE OTHER TWO. HOW HAVE WE TRADITIONALLY

LOOKED AT ROI FOR THOSE? >> SHANNON: WELL, I THINK THOSE PROJECTS YOU MENTIONED ARE A GREAT EXAMPLE. WE HAVE INVESTED FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT, OUR SA TOMORROW AND THOSE DEVELOPMENT REGIONS. ONE, IT'S CLEAR THAT THOSE ARE GROWING, THOSE ARE CREATING JOBS. THOSE ARE THE NEEDS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, ROADS AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

CERTAINLY, THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT THOSE TO THE ATTENTION OF PRIORITIZATION.

I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN TERMS OF I'LL WORK WITH SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS TO GET THAT. BUT CLEARLY, I THINK THE IDEA, AS I MENTIONED, SA TOMORROW WE HAVE THESE 13 REGIONAL CENTERS THAT WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED AS, HEY, WE ARE -- THESE ARE ECONOMIC. WHETHER IT'S THOSE THAT YOU DESCRIBED, THE MEDICAL CENTER AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, THOSE ARE AREAS THAT ARE EITHER GROWING OR NEED TO GROW MORE AND WE NEED TO PUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS THERE TO HELP FACILITATE THAT OR KEEP UP WITH THAT, IF YOU WILL.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER TODAY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE

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ANALYSIS OF THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. >> MAYOR JONES: I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW ERIK HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.

BUT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE, OTHER THAN, HEY, THIS MEETS OUR PLAN, REALLY GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD IN OTHER AREAS, IS WHERE DOES THE DOLLAR GO THE FURTHEST. AND TO THE EXTENT SOME OF THESE BUSINESS ENTITIES CAN IN FACT SHOW A DIFFERENT ROI, NOT JUST FOR PART OF YOUR PLAN, BUT ACTUALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, PORT SAN ANTONIO. WHEN YOU INVEST IN THIS THING, IT ALLOWS IT TO COME OFF THE BOOKS OF OTHER ENTITIES WHICH MAKES IT MORE COMPETITIVE WHEN THEY COMPETE FOR CONTRACTS, ET CETERA. IF THERE'S A WAY WE COULD CONSIDER THAT KIND OF ROI, I THINK WE WOULD BE BETTER INFORMED AS A RESULT.

ERIK, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? >> WALSH: YES, MA'AM.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT BEYOND THE 13 REGIONAL AREAS IN THE 2022 BOND PROGRAM, WE DID NOT DO THE TYPE OF ANALYSIS YOU'RE DESCRIBING. BUT HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

I THINK -- AND I THINK YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JANUARY.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF -- YOU LAID OUT THREE OF THEM. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OUTSIDE GROUPS AND SO A SIMILAR ANALYSIS THAT WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT. WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T DO THAT LAST TIME AND WE'LL NEED TO

DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT GOING FORWARD. >> MAYOR JONES: ALSO GOT TO GET REAL CREATIVE WHEN THERE'S LESS MONEY OR SCRUTINIZE THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE. I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR A BIT LATER.

COUNCILMAN MUNGIA. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

YEAH, I THINK I WOULD ALSO LIKE A LITTLE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS.

AT FIRST I WAS CONFUSED BY WHAT YOU MEANT BY ECONOMIC VIABILITY.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LEVERAGED BOND PARTNERSHIPS NOT NECESSARILY ROAD OR

INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS? >> SHANNON: WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL PROJECTS, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. WHEN WE LOOK AT PROJECTS -- I THINK WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE. THIS HAS BEEN PART OF OUR PROGRAM THE LAST SEVERAL BOND CYCLES. WHEN WE INVEST IN INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S USUALLY NOT ONE AND DONE BUT IT DOES COST A LONG-TERM COST. BUT IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.

IF WE IMPROVE A DRAINAGE CHANNEL, WE IMPROVE A STREET INFRASTRUCTURE, A LOT OF TIMES OUR MAINTENANCE COSTS OR MAINTENANCE OF THAT STREET IS A LITTLE BIT LESS EARLY ON. WHEREAS IF WE BUILD A NEW FACILITY, WHICH MAY ABSOLUTELY BE NEEDED, WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE SIGNING UP FOR REALLY LONG-TERM COST. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE POLICE STATION WE'RE BUILDING NOW IN DISTRICT 3. THAT POLICE STATION HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR OVER A DECADE. IT'S GOING TO COME ONLINE NEXT SUMMER BUT THAT DOES COME WITH LONG-TERM COST THAT WE'RE ABSORBING.

AND THAT'S FOR OTHER PARTS, WHETHER IT'S PARKS, FACILITIES, ET CETERA.

I THINK THE IDEA OF PUTTING THAT IN THERE IS WE WANT THAT CONVERSATION TO BE LOUD AND CLEAR SO THAT WHEN WE DO APPROVE THESE BONDS OR THE VOTERS APPROVE THESE BONDS, WE KNOW NOT ONLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'RE DOING LONG TERM. THAT WAS MY INTENT WITH THAT PROPOSAL.

>> MUNGIA: AND HIGHLY NEEDED AROUND A SCHOOL, MAYBE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN

ECONOMIC INCENTIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> WALSH: PART OF THE FORECAST YOU SAW LAST WEEK IN THOSE OUT YEARS, WE HAVE IN THERE PROGRAMMED FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED FROM THE 2022 BOND PROGRAM THAT WE NEED TO PAY THE LIGHT BILL. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE OPERATING EXPENSES.

SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH A LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS KIND OF RETHINKING ABOUT THE INVESTMENT OF A BOND PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THE OPERATING EXPENSE.

THIS IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT THAT IMPACT IS AND WE'RE ABLE TO DELIVER ON THE BACK END.

>> MUNGIA: IF NEW FACILITIES IN PARTS OF TOWN ARE OUR PRIORITY, THEN WE DEAL WITH THAT AS WE GO ALONG. I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO DO SOME LOOKING AT ZARZAMORA. WE TALK ABOUT BEFORE THESE BOND PROJECTS, IN MY MIND ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, IF YOU'RE INVESTING $25 MILLION, HOW LONG SHOULD THAT ROAD BE TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN.

ZARZAMORA WAS A 2012 BOND PROJECT AND IT WAS DONE AT THE END OF THAT PROGRAM.

A FAILING STREET NOW. SO THAT WORK WAS NOT VERY LONG-TERM WORK AND IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE AGAIN IN THIS UPCOMING BOND. WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE BUILDING THE ROADWAYS, PLACES LIKE THAT THAT HAVE SOIL CONDITIONS THAT ARE ROUGH. WE NEED TO TAKE EXTRA CARE AND BUILD THAT INTO THE COST OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE CAN'T COME BACK 15 YEARS LATER AND SAY WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER $25 MILLION. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE LIKE THAT.

SO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I WOULD ALSO SAY I DO STRONGLY BELIEVE WE NEED ANOTHER HOUSING BOND. I THINK WE DO NEED TO HAVE IT AT THE SAME LEVEL OR GREATER. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DO A DEEP DIVE INTO PROJECTS HAPPENING. NHSD IS WORKING ON THAT ALREADY.

AND TALK ABOUT LEVERAGED PARTNERSHIPS, I THINK EVERY PROJECT IS A LEVERAGED

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SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT. I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT ALSO.

>> YES. >> MUNGIA: GREAT. >> AS MARK WILL HIGHLIGHT AS WELL, THE BUCKET OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WAS NARROWLY FOCUSED ON ONE TYPE OF HOUSING. SO MAYBE CONSIDERING EXPANDING THAT DEFINITION.

>> MUNGIA: ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR TRADITIONAL COMMITTEES WITH EVERY CATEGORY. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. AND I DIDN'T SEE THE NUMBERS YET BUT I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE SCRUBBING THE NUMBERS FOR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE DEBT SERVICE TAX IF WE WANTED A HIGHER BOND AMOUNT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET.

I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE WAITING FOR THE NUMBERS TO COME BACK IN.

I WOULD SAY UNLESS IT'S AN OUTRAGEOUS PERCENTAGE POINT, HAVING 1.2 AGAIN, AT THE VERY LEAST, IS IMPORTANT, IN MAINTAINING THE INVESTMENT THAT WE HAD IN THE LAST BOND IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US. ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE BIGGER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO COME OUT ON TOP FIRST.

AND SORT OF REDUCE THE DISTRICT PIE, THE PIECE OF THE PIE THAT WE ALL GET.

I'M THINKING A HOUSING BOND TAKES OUT OF THAT AMOUNT FIRST, THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT PORTION COMES OUT OF THAT SECOND. THE REST IS KIND OF DIVIDED AMONG TEN DISTRICTS SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING AS MUCH OR MORE TAKE-HOME PROJECTS AS THE LAST BOND. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME.

AGAIN, FIGURING OUT WHAT THAT PERCENTAGE LOOKS LIKE BASED ON THE NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY. AND SOMETHING ELSE I TALKED ABOUT WITH SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, AND I DO BELIEVE IN IT STRONGLY. IF YOU GO TO SLIDE -- I THINK IT'S SLIDE 5, THE BOND CATEGORIES. THIS MIRRORS WHAT WAS IN

'22, CORRECT? >> SHANNON: YES. >> MUNGIA: IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'M HAVING, I THINK IT IS WORTH HAVING AN ADDITIONAL PROPOSITION MAKING IT SIX PROPOSITIONS. THE SIXTH BEING ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT-SPECIFIC. I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT YOUR RECOMMENDATION BUT I DO THINK THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING THAT BE ITS OWN CATEGORY.

I THINK EMBEDDING ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT PROJECTS INTO PROBABLY WOULD ONLY BE IN PROP A, THE STREETS, BRIDGES, AND SIDEWALKS, PUTS TOO MUCH OF THAT TOGETHER. I THINK IT IS REALLY A SEPARATE CONVERSATION TO HAVE. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NEVER -- TROY, DID YOU WANT TO ADD

SOMETHING? >> ELLIOTT: I WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL AND OUR BOND COUNSEL ON THAT VERY QUESTION. YOU CAN HAVE PROPOSITIONS

SPECIFIC TO THE DISTRICT. >> MUNGIA: YOU CAN? >> ELLIOTT: YOU CAN HAVE A GENERAL BUCKET CALLED THE DISTRICT THAT HAS STREETS, PARKS, FACILITIES IN IT.

BACK ON THAT SLIDE THAT WAS UP THERE, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IS YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A GENERAL STREETS PROPOSITION. THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A DISTRICT STREETS PROPOSITION. YOU WOULD HAVE A DRAINAGE AND FLOOD CONTROL GENERAL PROPOSITION AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A DISTRICT DRAINAGE PROPOSITION. SO YOU MAY HAVE MULTIPLE PROPOSITIONS RELATED TO THE DISTRICT FOR EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES THAT ARE UP HERE.

>> MUNGIA: ARE YOU PREPARED TO SAY THAT THE DISTRICT IS GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THESE -- IS GOING TO BE IN EVERY SINGLE PROPOSITION?

>> ELLIOTT: AT THIS POINT, NO. >> MUNGIA: IT MAY ONLY BE

ONE? >> ELLIOTT: IT MAY BE STREETS, IT MAY BE A PARK.

I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THERE'S MORE THAN ONE.

RIGHT NOW I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY WOULD BE RELATED TO THE DISTRICT.

>> MUNGIA: THAT INFORMATION IS HELPFUL TO HAVE.

I DON'T THINK WE EVEN HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT YET ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND THAT HELPS INFORM OUR DECISION. SO I HEAR YOU ON THAT POINT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NEWS TO ME THAT IT MIGHT BE THREE DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THAT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT INTO. SO THAT'S A LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY I THINK WE STILL NEED TO HAVE AND HAVE A NUMBER ATTACHED TO THAT, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE CONSIDERING THE TOTAL COST OF IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW -- THAT'S ALL, THANK YOU. I THINK THERE IS SOME PRECEDENCE. OBVIOUSLY, THE ALAMODOME WAS ITS OWN PROPOSITION.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT WAS A VIA TAX OR HALF-CENT TAX THAT WAS APPROVED IN 1989 FOR

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THERE ARE THINGS THAT MAY BE RIGHT OUTSIDE THAT DISTRICT THAT YOU COULD SAY ARE A PART OF IT. I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A LINE AND SAY WHAT INVESTMENT ARE WE ASKING VOTERS TO PAY FOR GOES INTO AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT VERSUS A TRADITIONAL BOND PACKAGE THAT HAS OTHER THINGS IN THERE.

I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME FEEDBACK FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THAT BUT I THINK IT IS WORTH LOOKING INTO. AND AGAIN, REALLY NEED TO HAVE NUMBERS, REALLY NEED TO HAVE SCOPE OF PROJECTS FOR THAT THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO CONSIDER AND PLACE ON THIS BOND. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR NOW.

THANK YOU. >> WALSH: MAYOR, REAL QUICK ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

>> MAYOR JONES: GO AHEAD. >> WALSH: ONE OF THE THINGS FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER -- AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT AS WE HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION LATER ON IN THE YEAR AROUND NEED -- AND IT'S TO YOUR ZARZAMORA POINT.

THERE ARE PROBABLY PARTS OF TOWN WHERE WE WOULD LOOK AT, AS PART OF A NEED.

I'M LOOKING AT ART OVER HERE. WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION. HIGH-TRAFFIC AREAS MAY REQUIRE CONCRETE, NOT ASPHALT. CONCRETE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE BUT THE INVESTMENT IS DIFFERENT.

WE HAVE DONE THAT IN SOME AREAS BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF A MARKER.

I THINK THAT'S A FURTHER CONVERSATION FOR THE STAFF TO HAVE WITH YOU ALL IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZATION BECAUSE, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES A GOOD OLD ASPHALT ROAD IN SOME PARTS OF OUR CITY DON'T LAST. AND SO THAT CERTAINLY HAS A MAINTENANCE IMPACT ON US DOWN THE ROAD IN OUR ANNUAL BUDGET.

SECONDLY, TO THE DOWNTOWN ISSUE, SO WE'RE SCHEDULED TO BRING BACK TO YOU ALL AN INFRASTRUCTURE ESTIMATE IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH LINES UP WITH THE TIMELINE THAT MIKE OUTLINED WITH YOU. WE'LL SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT DID LAST JUNE. AND WE'LL KEEP YOU ABREAST OF THAT. LASTLY, I THINK WHAT TROY IS SAYING IS THAT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE JUST WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR OWN PROPOSITION. COUNCIL CAN DESIGNATE THAT.

I WOULD -- DISTRICT OR DOWNTOWN OR GEOGRAPHY ASIDE, THE CITY, NOR OTHER CITIES, HAVE TYPICALLY GEOGRAPHICALLY LOCATED A PROPOSITION.

I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT SCHOOLS DON'T DO THAT EITHER.

THEY DON'T SAY WALSH ELEMENTARY OR VILLAGOMEZ HIGH SCHOOL.

IT'S FOR FACILITIES. THE COUNCIL, AS YOU HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND AT THE END OF SUMMER AND GET INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF IT ABOUT PROPOSITIONS, JUST YOU SHOULD BE MINDFUL, WE SHOULD ALL BE MINDFUL THAT WE MAY BE SETTING A PRECEDENCE FOR

GEOGRAPHICAL-BASED PROPOSITIONS. >> MAYOR JONES: GO AHEAD.

>> MUNGIA: THANK YOU, ERIK. I WOULD ALSO SAY IN THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU BRING BACK TO US, PUT IN THERE THE PFZ OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY EXIST IN THAT. IF YOU CAN DO SOME OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE THINGS THROUGH THE PFZ, OBVIOUSLY REALIZING THERE MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE OR TIMELINE-WISE PUSHED OUT. THAT'S AN ANALYSIS THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS. AND THE SECOND PIECE IS I WOULD SAY MORE GEOGRAPHICALLY SPEAKING, IT'S A PROJECT-BASED SITUATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE FOR OR AGAINST THIS, IT'S A RADICAL REENVISIONING OF DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA. I THINK IT MERITS ITS OWN.

I KNOW THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE THING. THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR TAKE ON THINGS. I DON'T THINK IT SETS A BAD PRECEDENT ABOUT NORTH SIDE BOND, SOUTH SIDE BOND, BUT I DO THINK IT IS WORTH AN EVALUATION TO SEE WHAT'S

POSSIBLE. >> WALSH: NO ARGUMENT, COUNCILMAN.

IT'S VERY OBJECTIVE, ACTUALLY. IT'S NOT SUBJECTIVE AT ALL, IT'S VERY OBJECTIVE AND I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF A CONVERSATION.

I WILL SHARE THAT IN THE 2012 BOND PROGRAM AND THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM -- NOT SO MUCH IN THE 2022, BUT SOME OF YOU THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT WAS CATEGORIZED AS CITYWIDE PROJECTS. AND MORE SO IN 2017. ONE OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF 2022 WAS THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE CITYWIDE PROJECTS.

AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THOSE CITYWIDE PROJECTS WERE A VERY OBJECTIVE IN THE SENSE THAT THEY WERE EITHER STREETS OR PARKS IN THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM.

IT BECAME A LITTLE BIT LIKE LIGHTNING ROD ISSUES. I THINK THAT'S WHY THE COUNCIL WANTS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT A DOWNTOWN OR DISTRICT PROPOSITION, WHATEVER WE CALL IT. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT

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CONVERSATION WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. >> MUNGIA: I'LL SAY REALLY QUICK, CITYWIDE COULD BE SUBJECTIVE BECAUSE ALL OF THE GREEN ORGANICS RECEPTACLES WASTE COMES TO DISTRICT 4. THAT'S A CITYWIDE PRODUCT OF THINGS THAT COME DOWN ONE STREET IN DISTRICT 4. HALF THE TRASH IN THE CITY GOES TO COVEL GARDENS. DESPITE THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY'S TRASH GOES DOWN THAT STREET BUT OTHER PARKS AND THINGS WERE CONSIDERED. I THINK THERE IS A LEVEL OF

SUBJECTIVITY IN WHAT WE DEFINE AS CITYWIDE. >> WALSH: I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CONCRETE

>> MAYOR JONES: IN CASE IT HELPS ANYONE ELSE'S COMMENTS, ERIK, JUST TO REFRESH, HOW DID FOLKS DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CITYWIDE VERSUS

REGIONAL? >> WALSH: YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYOR? THAT'S A WHITE PAPER WE CAN PREPARE FOR THE 2017 -- I MEAN, IT WAS SUCH A LIGHTNING ROD ISSUE, I'M MAKING IT OUT MORE THAN IT PROBABLY WAS. IT WAS A BIT OF A LIGHTNING ROD ISSUE IN 2017, SO MUCH SO THAT WE AVOIDED IT IN 2022 AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PREPARE SOME MATERIAL THAT -- AND I'LL -- BROADWAY STREET PROJECT

WAS A CITYWIDE PROJECT, THE HARDBERGER BRIDGE. >> MAYOR JONES: SORRY, I'M DISTINGUISHING -- ON THE LIST THERE'S CITYWIDE AND REGIONAL.

HOW DID YOU ALL DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO.

ON THE LIST, FOR EXAMPLE, HEMISFAIR PARK IS REGIONAL.

>> WALSH: THERE WAS A DIFFERENT DEFINITION THAT WAS APPLIED, AND WE'LL GO BACK TO 2017 AND PROVIDE IT TO YOU. IN BOTH CASES, REGIONAL AND CITYWIDE, WE DID NOT UTILIZE THAT IN 2022. SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THE 2017 AND PREPARE THAT. WELL, IN REGIONAL, IT WAS REGIONAL PARK IN NAME ONLY, BUT THERE WAS A CATEGORY "REGIONAL" IN PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS, YEAH. WE HAD A REGIONAL PARK IN DISTRICT SIX.

THAT WAS NOT THE SAME -- THAT WAS TRULY THE DEFINITION OF "REGIONAL." IT WAS NOT THE "REGIONAL" CATEGORY FROM PREVIOUS BOND PROGRAMS, WHICH IS WHY IN 2022, WE GOT AWAY FROM ALL OF THOSE CATEGORIES, BECAUSE THEY BECAME -- THEY BECAME -- THEY BECAME POINTS OF DEBATE THAT WE WANTED TO AVOID. COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ?

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. I AM INCREDIBLY EXCITED TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON OUR NEXT BOND PROGRAM. IT'S OFTEN ONE OF THE ONLY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE REALLY, REALLY LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS IN OUR FACILITIES, LIBRARIES, PARKS, BRIDGES, DRAINAGE, AND SOME OF OUR OTHER MAJOR NEEDS. AND SO I WOULD START OFF BY SAYING THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED PROPOSITIONS, INCLUDING THE HOUSING BOND, AND I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO PRIORITY NO BARRIER SHELTER IN PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SHALL WE PROCEED FURTHER, PROJECTS THAT CAN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC SUPPORT. OF COURSE, DEEP AFFORDABILITY, BUT ALSO THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND LOW AND NO BARRIER SHELTER.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA WE SHOULD ADD ADDITIONAL PROPOSITIONS TO SEPARATE SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN INVESTMENTS.

I THINK PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY SUPPORT ALL THE ISSUES, BUT THERE IS AN ISSUE JUST AS THE DISCUSSION WAS HAPPENING IN UNDERSTANDING INVESTMENTS ON A NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL VERSUS THE CONTINUATION OF A SECOND AND THIRD DECADE OF DOWNTOWN. I ALSO DO SUPPORT A MAY ELECTION, AND THOUGH I CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING OUR GENERAL ELECTIONS TO NOVEMBER, IN THIS INSTANCE, THE NEED IS TREMENDOUS, AND AS MONTHS GO BY, KOTIONS GO UP AND PROJECTS GET MORE EXPENSIVE, AND SO THERE'S A SENSE OF URGENCY ASSOCIATED WITH THE BOND THAT WE NEED TO MEET.

AND SO TO THAT END, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAY AND NOVEMBER IS AN ENTIRE SOLICITATION PERIOD, AND IF WE PUT PROJECTS ON THE BALLOT IN MAY, WE COULD HAVE MULTIPLE SHOVELS IN THE GROUND BY NOVEMBER. REGARDING THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOND COMMITTEE, I SUPPORT A MODEL SIMILAR TO LAST BOND CYCLE WHERE THE MAYOR APPOINTS THE TRICHAIRS AND APPOINTS THREE PEOPLE PER PROPOSITION. I THINK THAT WAS SOLID LAST TIME AND I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED, THE MORE EYES ON EACH OF THESE PROJECTS, I THINK, THE BETTER. THE BETTER AND MORE LIKELY THE PROPOSITIONS ARE TO PASS. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE THESE MEMBERS APPOINTED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, AND THAT THEY BE PRESENT, AND MAYBE APPOINTED EVEN PRIOR TO THOSE INITIAL PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

THAT WAY THEY CAN HEAR CONSTITUENT FEEDBACK THROUGH A LENS OF RESPONSIBILITY, AND TO MAKE SOME FACETIME WITH THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN INTRODUCE THE COMMUNITY TO THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN APPOINTED.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POSE THIS QUESTION, THIS ISN'T FEEDBACK YOU WERE ASKING

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LASTLY, WE'VE TOUCHED ON -- AND THIS IS A GUIDING PRINCIPLE, I THINK, FOR BOTH OF THOSE TWO. LASTLY, WE'VE TOUCHED ON THE ISSUE OF SUPPORT FOR EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR GENERAL FUND, AND THAT'S BEEN A POINT OF CONTENTION AND DEBATE. AND I MAINTAIN WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SUPPORT PROGRAMMING AND INITIATIVES THAT ALLOW NONPROFITS AND OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO OPERATE, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT WON'T HAPPEN AT THE SCALE THAT WE NEED WITHOUT PUBLIC SUPPORT, BUT AS IT RELATES TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTSES AND EXPANSIONS OF CERTAIN FACILITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS, PROPERTY, WE MAY HAVE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS OR SUPPORT THAT WE GIVE TO THOSE EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY AREN'T OPERATING ON CITY PROPERTY.

WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR OWN NEEDS INTERNALLY, AND I WANT US TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO GET AS MUCH CAPACITY AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF OUR FACILITIES, AND THAT MIGHT MEAN LIMITING HOW MUCH SUPPORT WE MIGHT GIVE TO SOME OF THOSE EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO, ON THE TOPIC BUT ALSO NOT ON THE TOPIC, I WOULD LIKE FOR TO ASK FOR MY COLLEAGUE'S SUPPORT ONCE AGAIN TO A PROJECT IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN WORKING ON DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW D2 SENIOR CENTER. WE'VE PURCHASED THE LAND, FUNDED THE DESIGN, DESIGN IS CURRENTLY UNDER WAY, WE WILL HAVE A SHOVEL-READY PROJECT. THE LAST STEP IS TO IDENTIFY FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION. IT'S GOING TO BE WITH THE COST OF MATERIALS, THE COST OF BUILDING THESE KINDS OF PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO BE A $30 MILLION PLUS PROJECT BUT WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PATH FORWARD TO FULLY FUND THE PROCT USING INNER CITY TIRZ DOLLAR SO IT'S NOT DOMINATING ANY OF OUR POSITIONS. THE EXISTING SENIOR CENTER AS I'VE SHARED BEFORE IS A LEASED FACILITY SHARED WITH AN ELECTRIC AND AUTO REPAIR SHOP. I WANT TO REPLACE IT AND MOVE THOSE OPERATIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO IN THE COMING MONTHS EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE INNER CITY TIRZ THROUGH 2050. THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO ISSUE DEBT THROUGH THE TIRZ WITHOUT IMPACTING OUR CAPACITY ELSEWHERE, AND TO FULLY FUND THE PROJECT. SO GETTING SUPPORT FROM YOU ALL TODAY WILL GIVE STAFF A LITTLE MORE CONFIDENCE SO WE CAN PROCEED IN THAT DIRECTION, AND I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S HELP BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE THIS CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE FOR THIS PROJECT.

THE INNER CITY TIRZ HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AS A TIRZ LARGELY BECAUSE OF INCREMENT CREATED AT THE HANDS OF GENTRIFICATION AND DISPLACEMENT, AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THIS INCREMENT FOR A PROJECT THAT WILL SERVE THE PUBLIC GOOD IS ONE THAT I THINK IS OWED TO MY DISTRICT AND TO MY CONSTITUENTS, AND SO THE RELEVANCE TO THIS CONVERSATION AND WHY I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT EXTENSION AND FUNDING MECHANISM IS SO THAT WE CAN TAKE THESE 30 MILLION-DOLLAR PLUS OUT OF THE COMPETITION FOR BOND DOLLARS. SO DROPPING THAT THERE. THANK Y'ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION. I HOPE YOU'VE RECEIVED ALL OF MY FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

COUNCILMAN GALVAN? >> GALVAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY. A COUPLE QUICK THINGS, I THINK, FOR THE HOUSING BOND IN PARTICULAR -- WELL, ONE QUESTION ON IT. FOR THE RENTAL AND THE HOME OWNERSHIP PORTION OF IT, ARE THOSE ONLY PRODUCTION OR IS IT ALSO REHAB WITHIN BOTH OF THOSE? I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY

CONVERSATIONS -- >> ON THE CONSIDERATION SLIDE.

>> GALVAN: YES. >> SO WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING BUCKETS, WE'RE JUST NOTING THAT THE -- SO THOSE AMOUNTS FOCUSING ON DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 30 AND 50% WOULD FOCUS ON RENTAL HOUSING.

>> GALVAN: OKAY. I SEE. SO IT STILL COULD GO INTO

EITHER PRODUCTION OR REHAB, ET CETERA. >> YES, EITHER ONE.

>> GALVAN: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES HAVE SHARED, AND I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT DURING MY PREMEETING FOR IT, TOO, I'VE GOT THE RIGHT WORDS FOR IT THIS TIME, TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSING TRUST HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM. IN THE INTEREST OF TRYING TO BE AS FLEXIBLE AS POSSIBLE AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITH THE GROWING HOUSING NEEDS, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING SOME FORM OF ANALYSIS OR SOME FORM OF -- YEAH, I GUESS ANALYSIS IS THE RIGHT WORD FOR IT, OR COMPARISON OF USING A REINVOLVING LOAN THROUGH THE HOUSING TRUST BY GRANTING MONEY FROM THE TRUST TO THEM. THAT COULD BE USED MORE FLEXIBLY FOR ANY KIND OF REHAB OR PRODUCTION OR DEEPER AFFORDABILITY.

KIND OF SERVING FOR BRIDGE GAP FINANCING THROUGH THE HOUSING FUND ITSELF AND HOPEFULLY CONTINUE THAT WORK IN PERPETUITY VERSUS

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IT'S AN IDEA THAT I KNOW [INDISCERNIBLE] MARYLAND HAS INCORPORATED AND COMMISSIONED. OTHER STATES ARE DOING, OTHER CITIES INCLUDING CHICAGO AND SEATTLE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT. I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW IT COULD CONTINUE TO KIND OF STRENGTHEN THAT LEVERAGE THAT THE HOUSING TRUST HAS TO, AGAIN, BE MORE FLEXIBLE, BUT ALSO TO -- I MEAN, TO PROVIDE MORE FUNDING FOR THE CONTINUED HOUSING NEEDS IN OUR CITY, HOPEFULLY AT DEEPER LEVELS. SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE, I GUESS, THE COMPARISON OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE VERSUS OUR CURRENT HOUSING BOND STRUCTURE AND EVEN IF IT'S DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SCALE THERE, IF WE'RE DOING A SMALLER BOND LEVEL FOR THE HOUSING BOND, HOW FAR COULD THAT GO BY BEING IN THE REINVOLVING FUND.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC SET ASSIDE THAT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE HOUSING TRUST AND ALLOW THEM TO USE THAT HOW THEY DECIDE WITH PARAMETERS.

>> GALVAN: YES. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU, VERONICA.

I KNOW THE COURSES ARE OVERARCHING VERSUS THE PLAN ALIGNMENT ANDR AND RESILIENCY, LOOKING AT THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND CONCRETE AND LONGEVITY, I'M ALSO INTEREST DZ IN SEEING HOW WE CAN BETTER INCORPORATE COMPLETE STREETS [INDISCERNIBLE] I KNOW IT'S KIND OF PART OF IT ALREADY BUT BAKED IT IN IN THE BEGINNING LOOKING AT STREET SAFETY VERSUS JUST REPAVING A STREET. I THINK SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS, HOW CAN YOU INCORPORATE SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS IN SOME FORM, OF COURSE, UNDERSTANDING THE UP-FRONT COST MAY BE A BIT HIGHER BUT LOOKING AT THE LONGEVITY OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. WHETHER IT'S A FACILITY IMPROVEMENT, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WHAT'S THE INVESTMENT THERE, EVEN WATER SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS THERE, WHAT DOES THAT IMPACT TO OUR OPERATIONAL COST AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, WITH MAINTENANCE IN THE FUTURE, JUST KIND OF SAYING WHAT WE CAN WEIGH THERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE QUESTION VERSUS AT THE END VERSES AN ADD-ON.

>> SHANNON: I THINK YOU HIT ON IT. THAT CONVERSATION MOVING -- THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, ARE WE THINKING NOT JUST SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM, WHETHER IT'S A FACILITY, I THINK WE USE FACILITIES AS THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, BUT YOU NAILED IT. WHAT TYPE OF STREETS ARE WE BUILDING? ARE THEY GOING TO BE MORE COMPLETE STREETS THAT HAVE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE? ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING THAT HIT A LOT OF OTHER PLANS, YOU KNOW -- I THINK THAT -- AS LONG AS WE'RE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION IS, I THINK, ERIK EVEN EMPHASIZES, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT WITH EACH OF THE PROJECTS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, SO WE'RE INFORMED TO PICK THE RIGHT PROJECTS.

>> GALVAN: GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL.

I THINK SIMILAR TO COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S POINTS AROUND THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMITTEES, I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO THE ONE THAT WE DID LAST TIME, AS WELL AS ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL ONES, MAYBE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, OR TWO PEOPLE INSTEAD OF THREE, BUT EITHER WAY, OPEN TO HAVING THE COMMITTEES, BUT IN PARTICULAR HAVING OUR FOLKS BE APPOINTED SOONER THAN LATER SO THEY CAN BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

I KNOW WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO REVIEW THE CURRENT PROJECT LIST WE HAVE INTERNALLY BUT TO ALSO ADD ANY OTHERS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT REQUIRES DESIGN AND EVERYTHING ELSE, TOO, BUT STILL GIVING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, I'M SEEING ALL THESE ONES, THESE ARE GREAT, CAN WE ADD IN THIS ONE OR CAN WE ADD THIS ONE THAT I'M INTERESTED IN MY COMMUNITY OR THAT I'M HEARING FROM OTHER RESIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FULLY, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO HAVE THEM ON BOARD IN THAT WAY TO BE ABLE TO DO

THAT KIND OF WORK WITH US? >> SHANNON: I'LL JUST ADD, I THINK TO THAT POINT IS, IN JANUARY, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

WE HAD A SIMILAR SLIDE UP ON THE GENERIC TIMELINE OF THE BIG STEPS THAT WE NEED, WHAT I HEARD BACK FROM YOU ALL, WHICH I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, IS WE NEED TO DOR MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, MORE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, MAYBE START IN THE SUMMER, THOSE BOND 101S, PART OF THE BUDGET TOWN HALLS, MAYBE APPOINTING, YOU KNOW, YOUR SELECTIONS EARLIER THAN WE WOULD HAVE NORMALLY LAST TIME, AND THEN IDENTIFYING WHY THAT'S HELPFUL. SO ALL THOSE THINGS YOU JUST SAID, I THINK THEY'RE ALIGNED WITH WHAT I'M PROPOSING. I DON'T HAVE IT FULLY FLUSHED OUT, I CERTAINLY WANTED SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK TODAY, BUT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE GET FROM YOU TODAY, WHICH IS HEY, LET'S DEVELOP SOMETHING FOR THE SUMMER, LET'S DEVELOP SOMETHING FOR THE COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS, I THINK WE CAN COME BACK AND WORK WITH YOU ALL TO MAYBE PUT A LITTLE MORE FINE-TUNE SCHEDULE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND THEN WE'LL

JUST EXECUTE IT THAT WAY. >> GALVAN: THANK YOU.

THAT'S HELPFUL. >> SHANNON: YEAH. >> GALVAN: LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE HERE. ON THE SPORTS DISTRICT PORTION, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF SEPARATING OUT IN SOME FORM, AND KIND OF GOING INTO MORE DETAIL OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT I'LL -- THE DEBT MANAGEMENT ONE, I MEAN, OF COURSE, I THINK WE'LL STIF GOT TO SEE THE NUMBERS FOR IT, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THE VARIABLE

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SUPPORTIVE OF COUNCIL MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S POINT FOR THE SENIOR CENTER HE'S BEEN WORKING ON REALLY DILIGENTLY, SEE HOW THAT CAN INCREASE OUR CAPACITY WITHIN THE GENERAL BOND WORK THERE. I THINK THAT'S ALL MY FEEDBACK. OTHERWISE, GREAT PRESENTATION.

FEEL GOOD AT THIS MOMENT AND I'LL CHIME BACK IN IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COME UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WHYTE?

>> WHYTE: THANKS, MAYOR. THANKS Y'ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.

MIKE, I USUALLY AGREE WITH 99% OF WHAT YOU SAY, MAYBE IT'S THE 1% TODAY OR MAYBE I JUST DISAGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR MEAT AND POTATOES COMMENT ON THE SECOND HALF OF THE CONVERSATION. I THINK THE MEAT AND POTATOES WAS RIGHT UP FRONT ON THIS VARIABLE TAX RATE DISCUSSION UNDER ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WE CONSIDER THE VARIABLE TAX RATE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BE A VARIABLE TAX RATE.

THIS IS GOING TO MEAN A TAX RATE INCREASE FOR THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, TO ME, IS JUST AN ABSOLUTE NONSTARTER, SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE-YEAR FINANCIAL FORECAST, PROPERTY TAX VALUATIONS, DECLINING 2.1% THIS YEAR, FLAT IN '28, AND THEN RECOVERING A COUPLE YEARS AFTER THAT, BUT ONLY AT A RATE OF 1.5%, SO, YOU KNOW, ANY SUGGESTION THAT THIS VARIABLE TAX RATE COULD MEAN LOWER TAXES IN THE FUTURE, FRANKLY, IS LAUGHABLE. IT'S GOING TO MEAN AN INCREASE IN OUR PROPERTY TAX RATE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WE CONSIDER THAT. WE NEED TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.

AND IF THAT MEANS A $625 MILLION BOND, THEN THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH. I WILL ALSO POINT OUT FOR FOLKS THAT TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TOUGH FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, TIMES AND SOMETIMES WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO INCREASE RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE LIVED THROUGH -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T RAISED THE TAX RATE, AS ERIK MENTIONS TO US, IN 30 PLUS YEARS. AND WE'VE LIVED THROUGH COVID-19, THE PANDEMIC, OF COURSE, A FEW YEARS AGO, WE'VE LIVED THROUGH FINANCIAL CRISES BACK IN 2007, 2008 RANGE, WE'VE LIVED THROUGH 9/11, WE'VE LIVED THROUGH A LOT OF REALLY UNFORTUNATE THINGS AND HAVE MANAGED TO HAVE BOND PROGRAMS AND NOT RAISE TAXES, AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, AGAIN, SHOULD WE DO IT NOW. AND, YES, THE SAME GOES FOR RAISING SAWS RATES, CPS ENERGY RATES, TOO, AND WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT THE SAME TIME. SO LET'S NOT DO THAT TO THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO. IN TERMS OF THE ELECTION DAY, I'M FOR THE MAY OF 2027 BOND ELECTION. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK IF WE CAN GET IT DONE BY THEN, WE SHOULD.

I DID LIKE, MIKE, WHERE Y'ALL TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC VIABILITY IN THE PROGRAM; THAT BEING ONE OF THE FACTORS. THAT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD. LET'S NOT PUT OURSELVES ON THE HOOK FOR DOLLARS DOWN THE LINE WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT, FRANKLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD. SO TO LOOK AT THAT NOW GOING INTO THE BOND PROGRAM, I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. THE DISTRICT-SPECIFIC BOND PROPOSITION THAT WAS MENTIONED, I AM -- I AM NOT FOR THAT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY DISTRICT-SPECIFIC PROPOSITION. I DID HAVE -- I DID HAVE A QUESTION HERE, I THOUGHT. MAYBE I COVERED IT.

IN TERMS OF COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S SENIOR CENTER, I WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT PROPOSAL FLESHED OUT A BIT, BUT IT IS IN HIS DISTRICT AND IF WE CAN HELP HIM GET THAT SENIOR CENTER DONE THROUGH THE TIRZ, YOU

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SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE BOND PROGRAM, THESE PROJECTS DO ADD TO OUR COMMUNITY CERTAINLY, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO STRETCH OURSELVES TOO THIN. WE DO NOT NEED TO RAISE TAXES ON THE CITIZENS TO HAVE A BIGGER BOND. THANKS, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. TROY, A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, JUST BASED ON, YOU SAID, THE BOND COUNCIL'S ADVICE AT THIS POINT, AND IN CASE IT INFORMS ANYBODY ELSE'S FEEDBACK ON THEIR SUPPORT FOR A DISTRICT-SPECIFIC PROPOSITION, AS YOU DESCRIBED, FOR EXAMPLE, STREETS, BRIDGES AND SIDEWALKS, YOU THEN HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE

DISTRICT STREETS, BRIDGES AND SIDEWALKS, CORRECT? >> ELLIOTT: YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL MECHANICS OF IT, IF SOMEBODY VOTED FOR T THE BIG ONE, BUT NOT FOR THE SUBSET, WOULD THAT SUBSET OF FUNDING JUST REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LARGER BUCKET?

>> ELLIOTT: I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I CAN GET THAT

CLARIFICATION FROM BOND COUNCIL. >> MAYOR JONES: UNLESS YOU CAN EVEN WRITE IT THAT WAY, IF YOU SAY NO HERE ON THE DISTRICT PART, THIS MONEY WILL, IN FACT, REVERT TO THE LARGER POT, IF YOU WILL.

>> ELLIOTT: THAT'S WHERE I WOULD NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION AS FAR AS

IT WOULD BE STYLED. >> SEGOVIA: WE'LL GO BACK AND STUDY THAT, MAYOR,

WORKING WITH FINANCE AND OUR BOND COUNCIL. >> MAYOR JONES: I THINK THAT RAISES THE QUESTION THEN ABOUT IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF MONEY, WHERE DOES IT GO IN THE INTEREST OF EFFICIENCY, COULD IT JUST GO TO THE LARGER BUCKET. OKAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN? >> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR. ON MAY 7TH, 2022, THE SAN ANTONIO PUBLIC APPROVED THE PROPOSITIONS FOR THE CITY'S 2022 BOND PROGRAM TOTALING 1.2 BILLION AND INCLUDING 183 PROJECTS. AS WE ENTER THIS YEAR'S BOND PROGRAM DISCUSSION, THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE I AM FOCUSED ON IS SIMPLE: MAKE EVERY TAXPAYER DOLLAR GO FURTHER. AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, AND BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SO INTERESTING UP TO THIS POINT, THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. ANY TIME WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT 2017 BOND AND WHY THE CHANGES CAME, I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK TO Y'ALL ABOUT THAT. IT WAS A DIFFERENT CITY MANAGER, IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME, IT WAS A DIFFERENT COUNCIL, AND THANK GOODNESS TOWARDS THEIR LEADERSHIP, TERRY AND I SAW GREAT SUCCESS IN 2022 FOR OUR BOND PROJECTS. OH, AND DISTRICT TWO, TOO. I'M SORRY. I KNOW.

SOUTHEAST SIDE, SOUTHEAST SIDE. SO WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE WE MOVED FROM THAT REGIONAL TO CITYWIDE, TO HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS SIGNIFICANT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND AS WE LOOK AT THE CATEGORIES, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ADD NEW CATEGORIES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR OPENING THAT UP, COUNCILMAN MUNGIA, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CATEGORY, IF WE COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT OUR EDUCATION. AND FROM EARLY CHILDHOOD AND WE TALKED ABOUT -- WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PRE-K FOUR SA ALL THE WAY TO ADULT CONTINUING EDUCATION, WHICH IS A LOT OF WHAT READY TO WORK DOES AND A LOT OF WHAT OUR DELEGATE AGENCIES DO.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT CATEGORIES, I DON'T WANT TO BE LIMITED TO THIS SPECIAL DISTRICT, BECAUSE AS WE HAVE THIS SPECIAL DISTRICT, I -- I AM IN NO DOUBT THAT THAT WILL PASS. WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS IF WE MOVE TO A SPECIAL DISTRICT AND WE KEEP THE BOND AT A 600 MILLION, INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE 1.2 BILLION THAT WE NEED, IS THAT THE VOTERS OF SAN ANTONIO WILL GO IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES MY TAXPAYER DOLLAR GO FURTHER? IS IF I VOTE FOR THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. AND THE DOWNTOWN HOUSING AND THE DOWNTOWN FLOOD AND DRAINAGE RATHER THAN FOR THAT IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN.

SO I THINK WE REALLY DO NEED TO SPELL IT OUT, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS NOT THAT WE WOULD HAVE JUST FIVE CATEGORIES, BUT WE COULD HAVE UP TO 10 CATEGORIES IF THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT COMES FORWARD AND SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR DISTRICT THIS ROUND. WE'RE GOING TO NEED -- I CAN TELL JUST BASED ON THIS, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS IS GOING TO BE IN THAT.

I KNOW YOU SEE IT, TROY. DRAINAGE AND FLOOD CONTROL IS GOING TO BE IN THAT, BUT IF THEY PUT A PARK THERE, IF THEY PUT A HOUSING THERE, IF WE WANT TO FIX UP THAT PARK POLICE FACILITY THAT SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF HEMISFAIR, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE SEPARATED INTO ANOTHER CATEGORY, AND WE COULD HAVE UP TO 10. SO INSTEAD OF THAT, I WOULD RATHER SEE -- HAVE THE BIG CATEGORIES AND HAVE OUR COMMITTEE

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THE DATE, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MY COUNCILMEMBERS, COUNCILMEMBER GALVAN, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE -- AND COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ, SHOULD BE MAY 2027, BECAUSE OF INFLATION.

I THINK AS WE LOOK FORWARD, THE TOP PRIORITIES FOR ME, OF COURSE, IS SEEING HOW WE CAN GET SOUTH TEXAS PARKWAY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND TEXAS A&M STREETS AND SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGE CONTROL THERE. THE ROOSEVELT CORRIDOR, OF COURSE, WHICH HAS BEEN A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DO WHEN WE MOVE FROM PHASE 1 TO PHASE 2.

AND, OF COURSE, I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE TIRZ AND HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW ALL OF THE TIRZ THAT WE HAVE CAN HELP WHEN WE START THAT DEVELOPMENT, CAN HELP TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT WE'RE SPENDING IN THE BOND, BECAUSE WE'RE USING OUR TIRZ. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT SUCCESSFULLY HAPPEN OVER IN BROOKS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONTINUES. SO I THINK THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE TIRZ PROBABLY SHOULD BE HAD SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

THE ONE THING -- THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOUSING TRUSTS, I'D LIKE THAT, WHEN WE HAVE OUR SECOND CONVERSATION, TO BE CLEARED UP, BECAUSE VERONICA, I KNOW THAT YOU WILL GO AND YOU WILL ASK, BUT SITTING ON THE BOARD OF HOUSING TRUST AND KNOWING THAT THEY ARE RUN BY A DIFFERENT BOARD AND A DIFFERENT ENTITY, WE CAN'T OVERCOMMIT FOR THEM, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE THINGS THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO. THEY HAVE A LOT OF BIG PROJECTS THAT IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING US ON THE MEETINGS, WHICH ARE TELEVISED, ARE OUT THERE ON THE INTERNET, YOU KNOW THEY HAVE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON -- I'VE JUST HEARD LATELY, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S WITHIN THEIR CAPACITY AT THIS POINT. SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THE OTHER IS THE BOND COMMITTEE AND COMPOSITION. I BELIEVE THIS YEAR WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE TRICHAIRS AND GET THAT -- BECAUSE THIS HAS ALL BEEN BY PRACTICE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD START FORMALIZING THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE -- AUDIO] -- ARE APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF CITY COUNCIL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT COME FORWARD IN A PROPOSAL OR LET US KNOW IF WE NEED A CCR TO GET THAT DONE.

AND I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THE HOUSING BOND 101 PROGRAM AND MAKING SURE THAT MY RESIDENTS KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM HERE.

WE -- WHAT HAPPENS IN TIMES LIKE THESE WHEN WE ARE FINANCIALLY -- WE'RE NOT SEEING THE FEDERAL SUPPORT OR THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST, OR WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, IS IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET CREATIVE, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STREETS, BRIDGES AND SIDEWALKS, I THINK WE CAN LEVERAGE OUR SCHOOL PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR DISTRICTS AND MEETING WITH OUR DISTRICTS AND THE PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATIONS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN D.C. AND IF WE CAN START -- IF WE DO HAVE PHASES 2 AND 3 OF CERTAIN PARK PROGRAMS, THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT AND GET THAT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR, THAT WE HAVE THAT READY TO GO. AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FACILITIES AND OUR CITY FACILITIES, WE DO NEED TO HAVE A CLEAR CONVERSATION ABOUT REBUILD VERSUS REMODEL. AND ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THOSE FIRE STATIONS AND POLICE SUBSTATIONS. HOUSING IS CRITICAL AND IMPORTANT AND WE HAD BEEN -- WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH OUR OUR SHIP GOALS AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE.

I THINK ANY CONVERSATION THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE CITY BEING A CRITICAL PART OR THIS BEING PART OF THE BOND IS SHORT-SIGHTED, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT TAKES ONE CLOSURE IN ONE OF OUR ADJACENT COMMUNITIES, LIKE DEL RIO, LIKE CASTROVILLE, LIKE UVALDE.

THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE TO SAN ANTONIO LOOKING FOR WORK AND JOBS, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE HOUSING STOCK HERE AT THE VARIOUS LEVELS FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN. WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE MULTIFAMILY, WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY, AND THAT'S WHAT A HOUSING BOND ALLOWS US TO DO, IS MAKING SURE WE'RE MAINTAINING WITH THE GROWTH WE KNOW IS COMING AND THEN THE GROWTH THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN IF WE SEE ANOTHER -- ANOTHER CRISIS COME OUT. SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT SORT OF

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I'M NOT ABOVE TALKING ABOUT THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, BUT PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OTHER CATEGORIES THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT KIND OF INCORPORATE SOME OF WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY.

SO THANK YOU, AND I'M HOPING TPR WILL CALL ME SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT 2017 BOND. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN MEZA

GONZALEZ? >> GONZALEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE -- AUDIO] -- PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE IN 2022, AND SO THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS NEXT BOND PACKAGE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THE PRIORITIES THAT OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE AND THAT MY DISTRICT HAS ALREADY -- EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING I AM ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEXT BOND PROJECT AND THEY HAVE PROJECTS IN MIND THAT THEY'VE KIND OF KEPT IN THEIR BACK POCKET AS WELL, AND SO I KNOW A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE DOING THE SAME THING ALL OVER THE CITY.

SO I GUESS I'LL START WITH -- I THINK IT'S SLIDE 2, 3, ON THE '22 HOUSING BOND PROGRESS. DO WE HAVE A -- ON THE HOME OWNERSHIP, REHAB AND PRESERVATION, DO WE HAVE -- AND YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THIS, BUT IF YOU CAN PROVIDE HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED VERSUS FUNDED. DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER HANDY, OR YOU CAN JUST

PROVIDE THAT AT A LATER -- >> SURE.

SO WE'VE CHANGED -- YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOME REHAB PROGRAM?

>> GONZALEZ: UH-HUH. >> WE'VE CHANGED THE WAY WE DO THAT.

WE ONLY ACCEPT APPLICATIONS FOR WHEN THEY'RE COMPLETE, READY TO GO, SO WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT OUR LATEST NUMBERS OF HOW MANY HAVE BEEN

APPLYING RECENTLY, SINCE WE MADE THAT CHANGE. >> GONZALEZ: AND THEN DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN DEMOCRAT GRAPH FICK, I GUESS DISTRICTWISE OF

WHERE THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE COMING FROM? >> SURE, WE CAN GET THAT

FOR YOU. >> GONZALEZ: OKAY. AND IS THERE A WAITLIST FOR ELIGIBLE HOMEOWNERS THAT MAYBE DIDN'T GET THIS ROUND.

>> WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICANTS AND FOLLOWED UP WITH THEM, GOT CURRENT DOCUMENTS AND NOW WE HAVE A NEW ROUND FOR CALL.

WE DO HAVE APPLICATION APPOINTMENTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH JULY, AND SO WE WILL OPEN IT UP AGAIN WHEN WE GET CLOSER TO THAT POINT FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO STILL HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET AN APPOINTMENT.

>> GONZALEZ: AND IS THE HOMEOWNER REHAB FOCUSED ON SINGLE FAMILY OR IS THERE SOME SMALLER MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN THERE AS WELL.

>> SO THE ONE THROUGH THE BOND IS FUNDING OWNER OCCUPIED SINGLE OCCUPANCY

REHAB. >> GONZALEZ: OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD.

THANK YOU. ON THE DEBT MANAGEMENT PLAN, CAN YOU KIND OF HELP EXPLAIN THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, ON THE VARIABLE TAX RATE, IS THAT VARIABLE TAX RATE ALLOWING FOR NEW CAPACITY?

>> ELLIOTT: IT WOULD. I MEAN, BASED ON THE CURRENT FORECAST AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN TAXABLE VALUES DECLINING, IN ORDER TO GET TO A $1.2 BILLION BOND PROGRAM YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE.

THE CURRENT TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE TODAY WON'T PRODUCE A $1.2 BILLION BOND PROGRAM. SO OVER THE FUTURE, BASED ON WHAT VALUES ARE DOING, UNDER THIS VARIABLE TAX RATE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE OR DECREASE THE TAX RATE, DEPENDING WHERE VALUES ARE FALLING.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO LEVY A TAX RATE, ONCE WE ENTER INTO A CONTRACT FOR THE VOTERS FOR A $1.2 BILLION BOND PROGRAM, WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO PAY FOR

IT. >> GONZALEZ: AND THE TAX -- OKAY.

OKAY. I'LL THINK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

ON -- I THINK I'M CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE 600 MILLION OR 625, I THINK THAT WAS A SIZE OF OUR 2012 BOND, AND KNOWING THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHAT IT IS, BUT OUR CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, I DON'T WANT US TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD IN THAT SENSE WHERE WE HAVE A SMALLER AMOUNT, BUT THE NEEDS ARE STILL THERE, RIGHT? AND SO YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTS WAITING FIVE YEARS ON THESE BIG PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 10 YEARS BECAUSE OF THAT. SO I KNOW WE HAVE A WHILE TO GO ON THIS, BUT THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF SOME INITIAL CONCERNS I HAVE ON THE SMALLER BOND CAPACITY AMOUNTS. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO JUST KIND OF HEARING MORE ON -- AN UPDATE ON THAT IN THE FUTURE.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE -- SPECIFIC TO THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, THERE'S ALSO WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE CONVENTION CENTER IS IN THAT SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT PIECE, ARE THOSE PROJECTS BUT FOR THE DISTRICT THEY WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED? IS THAT HOW WE'RE... OR JUST IN GENERAL, WITH THE SPORTS AND BER T ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, IF WE HAVE ITS OWN CATEGORY, ARE WE SAYING BUT FOR THE SPORTS AND

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>> WOMAN, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND IT. IF I'M WRONG, GO AT ME AGAIN. I THINK THERE ARE SOME NEEDS.

CAN BREAK IT OUT FOR YOU AND SET UP WHAT WE THINK WE NEED NOW AND WHERE THE LINE IS FOR THE DISTRICT AND HAVE YOU REACT TO IT.

>> GONZALEZ: THOSE ARE THE NEEDS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD, WHETHER OR NOT

WE HAD AN ARENA VOTE. >> CORRECT. >> GONZALEZ: THAT'S WHAT

I'M TRYING TO -- >> WE'LL TRY TO CATEGORIZE THEM AND WE

CAN GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT. >> GONZALEZ: YEAH, I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROJECT IS SPECIFICALLY THERE BECAUSE OF THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT --

>> OF THE NEW -- >> GONZALEZ: RIGHT. THE NEW PLAN, I GUESS.

OKAY. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE MAY 2027 BOND, BECAUSE I DO APPRECIATE THAT CYCLE JUST BEING ON -- THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY MAJOR THING ON THE BALLOT IS THAT -- THOSE BONDS AND NOVEMBER '27, WE'VE GOT CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS, I BELIEVE, ON THE BALLOT AS WELL, SO THOSE WILL COME BEFORE THOSE BOND PROJECTS AND THAT'S A LONG LIST OF AMENDMENTS THAT ARE COMING OUR WAY, I'M SURE, SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE MAY 2027 BOND. WHAT ELSE? WHAT ELSE? THE COMMUNITY BOND COMMITTEE, I WAS IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AT THAT TIME WHEN THE LAST COMMUNITY BOND COMMITTEE WAS SETUP, THE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, I THINK THEY'RE VERY VALUABLE, I HOPE WE SET THEM UP IN THE SAME WAY. I KNOW THAT'S A GOOD -- A GOOD THING FOR US AS FAR AS JUST GETTING OUR RESIDENTS INVOLVED. I CAN ALREADY TELL YOU THAT RESIDENTS THAT ARE READY TO GO, AND EXCITED FOR THOSE BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES, AND I MEAN IT. THEY ARE READY TO GET THE CALL AND GET ASKED. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THE SAME OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE STRUCTURE. WE TALKED ABOUT MAY, I THINK THAT -- I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JALEN, RIGHT, YOUR PITCH ON THE SENIOR CENTER.

ABSOLUTELY. BRING THAT MONEY MY WAY TO THE BOB ROSS SENIOR CENTER WHEN YOU'RE DONE, BECAUSE I -- WE ARE THE OLDEST SENIOR CENTER, THE FIRST SENIOR CENTER IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THAT NEEDS A LOT OF LOVE.

AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS, I'LL THROW IN THE BOB ROSS SENIOR CENTER IS A HUGE PRIORITY FOR ME AND THE RESIDENTS THAT USE THAT SPACE EVERY SINGLE DAY. THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK

YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, MIKE AND VERONICA, AS WELL AS TO YOUR TEAMS. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN GREAT STEWARDS OF PUBLIC DOLLARS AND I KNOW DISTRICT FIVE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR THE IMPACT, AND WE KNOW THERE'S MUCH MORE NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I'M REMINDED OF SOME OF THE SITE VISITS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM WHERE CONSTITUENTS SHOW A PETITION OF SIGNI SIGNATURES THAT THEY GATHERED IN THE '80S, AND THE '60S OF THEM REQUESTING A SIDEWALK IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND BECAUSE OF THE 2022 BOND DOLLARS AND SOME $2,017, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE AN IMPACT -- AUDIO] -- EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR CAPITAL IMPROVE.

S, THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM. AND GRATEFUL FOR NHSD BECAUSE IN DISTRICT FIVE ALONE, WE'VE SEEN THE REHABILITATION AND/OR CONSTRUCTION OF OVER 700 AFFORDABLE UNITS IN DISTRICT FIVE. SO GRATEFUL FOR THAT WORK AND THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN STELLAR STEWARDS OF PUBLIC DOLLARS, SO I'M EAGER FOR US TO INITIATE THIS PROCESS.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF -- AND I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD INITIATE THAT CONVERSATION SOONER THAN LATER TO ENSURE THAT OUR APPOINTEES CAN HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AND OUR SHARED CONSTITUENCY ON WHAT THE GOALS AND PRIORITIES ARE.

I DO BELIEVE THERE'S VALUE IN WEAVING IN ANY CIP PROJECTS THAT ALL 10 OF US HAVE IDENTIFIED AND EAR MARKED FUNDING. FOR EXAMPLE, MARTINEZ PARK IN DISTRICT FIVE, FOLLOWING THE 2022 CONVERSATION, THE PROCESS WAS ALREADY ONGOING AND CONSTITUENTS CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN TO INVEST IN MARTINEZ PARK, BUT WE HAD JUST MISSED THAT CONVERSATION, SO USING CIP, WE'VE CONSTRUCTED A MASTER PLAN TO IMPROVE MARTINEZ PARK.

SO THAT'S A PARK THAT WE'LL BE CONTINUING TO ADVOCATE FOR BUT HIGHLIGHTING, MANY OF US HAVE USED CIP DOLLARS TO PLAN IN PREPARATION FOR THE 2027 BOND, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REPLICATE IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS. IF IT NEEDS TO BE CODIFIED, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AS WELL. WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT MIKE'S LAID OUT, WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO USE THE EQUITY ATLAS WHEN ANALYZING THE PROJECTS AND THE AREAS IN WHICH THOSE PROJECTSES WILL BE PLACED.

WITH THE HOUSING BOND, SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I KNOW I DIDN'T SEE HOME REHAB EXPLICITLY STATED ON THERE BUT I WOULD

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SO JUST VERY EAGER FOR 2027. WITH THAT, WOULD BE SUP POFORTTIVE OF A MAY 2027 ELECTIONS, AS FOLKS HAVE HEIGHTED, THE COST OF SERVICES CONTINUE TO GO UP. THERE'S ONE PROJECT IN OUR DISTRICT, NOT BOND RELATED, DELAYS HAVE INCREASED IT BY SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS, SO I CAN'T IMAGINE MOVING IT TO NOVEMBER, THE COST THAT THAT WOULD FALL ON THE TAXPAYERS IN TERMS OF THAT DELAYED TIMELINE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF COUNCILMEMBER MCGEE-RODRIGUEZ'S PLAN USING A TIRZ TO SUPPORT A SENIOR CENTER IN HIS DISTRICT. I KNOW IT'S NOT COMMON FOR COUNCILMANS TO NAME SOMETHING AFTER THEMSELVES, BUT I BELIEVE THE WORK THAT THE COUNCILMAN HAS DONE IN DISTRICT TWO HAS BEEN VERY IMPACTFUL AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER, WHETHER IT'S A PARK OR A SENIOR CENTER, BUT IT'S BEEN GREAT TO SEE THE COUNCILMAN WORK TOWARDS CREATING A SPACE FOR SENIORS AND EVERYONE IN DISTRICT TWO.

AND CITYWIDE TO GO AND ENJOY THE SENIOR CENTER AND THE COMMUNITY THAT

YOU'RE WORKING TOWARDS BUILDING. >>

>> CASTILLO: AND I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT I WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR PUBLIC ARTS, SO THE FUNDING ALLOCATED TOWARDS PUBLIC ART PROJECTS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL

BE BAKED INTO THIS? >> SHANNON: IT'S NOT PART OF THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO TAKE THAT OUT. IT'S BEEN AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION, IT HAS BEEN FOR SEVERAL OF THE BOND CYCLES, IT'S 1.5% MINUS EACH OF THE HOUSING PROPOSITION LAST TIME, I KNOW THAT WILL BE PART OF IT AND WE EXPECT THAT WHEREVER THAT LANDS BASED ON THE PROCESS, AND CERTAINLY YOU ALL -- THAT'S DEFINITELY INTENDED TO BE PART OF

THE CONVERSATION. >> CASTILLO: GREAT. THANKS, MIKE.

AND THEN LASTLY IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING BOND CONVERSATION, RIGHT, OF COURSE, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF INCREASING FROM 150 MILLION TO WHATEVER WE HAVE THE CAPACITY IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING BOND, AND LASTLY, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE IN TERMS OF EXPLORING SEPARATING THE DOWNTOWN -- THE SPORTS DISTRICT PROPOSITIONS INTO THEIR OWN, ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT AND SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD SEE IN THE 2027 BOND. THOSE ARE ALL MY

COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK

YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS? >> SPEARS: THANKS, MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION, MIKE.

I KNOW THAT Y'ALL DO A WHOLE LOT OF WORK TO GET US HERE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, BECAUSE IT GIVES US SOMETHING TO START DIVING INTO.

SO I SORT OF HAVE THE SAME -- HERE'S THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY: WHEN I'M UP HERE SPEAKING, I WANT EVERYONE TO JUST UNDERSTAND THAT I'M AN ADVOCATE AND I'M LISTENING TO WHAT MY RESIDENTS ARE SAYING, SO WHEN YOU SEE ME, I'M 145,000 PEOPLE BEHIND ME.

AND I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND WILL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IN MY DISTRICT.

SO FIRST, I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, THOUGH. ON THESE BOND PROJECTS, WHEN WE WEIGH, ARE THEY ALWAYS GOING TO GO UP IN PRICE? LIKE WE PASSED THIS IN 2022, ALWAYS IT'S GOING TO BE MORE WHEN WE START TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS IN -- FIVE YEARS LATER, CORRECT?

>> SHANNON: YES, GENERALLY CONSTRUCTION GETS MORE EXPENSIVE. AND WHEN WE PLAN A PROJECT AND WE'LL BE SCOPING AND ESTIMATING PROBABILITIES NOW, WE BUILD IN SOME INFLATION ESTIMATES. SOMETIMES THAT HOLD FIRMS, SOMETIMES WE MAY BE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE, SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT AS CONSERVATIVE, BUT WE DO BUILD THAT INFLATION IN, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS GO DOWN IN RECENT

MEMORY. >> SPEARS: YEAH. HOW -- HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE -- I WANT US TO BE LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE PRIORITIZING PROJECTS BASED ON NECESSITY VERSUS DESIRABILITY.

AND THEN I DID HAVE A QUESTION, TOO, ON HOUSING.

I SEE THAT -- I SAW THIS IN A DOCUMENT, WILL FUTURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING

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THE HOUSING ASSISTANCE? >> SO MANY OF OUR HOUSING BOND PROJECTS ALSO LAYER FEDERAL FUNDING, AND WE DO REQUIRE AS PART OF OUR POLICY, IDENTIFICATION FOR ANYONE QUALIFYING FOR SERVICES. AND SINCE E AGAIN, MANY OF OUR HOUSING BOND FUNDED THE RENTAL HOUSING OR REHAB LAYER THE FEDERAL FUNDS, THEY ALSO REQUIRE THAT DOCUMENTATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S STATUS. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS THE CITY REQUIREMENT. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT THAT

WE'RE RESPONDING TO AS WELL. >> SPEARS: BUT WE PROVIDE

HOUSING FOR UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS. >> NO, THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD OR SOME SORT OF LEGAL STATUS.

>> SPEARS: WELL, BECAUSE IN OUR BOND RECOMMENDATION, THE HOUSING COMMUNITY, BOND COMMUNITY RECOMMENDATIONS, IT HAD

IN THERE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS. >> SURE.

SO THAT IS THE PARAMETERS THAT THE HOUSING BOND COMMITTEE ESTABLISHED, BUT SINCE WE HAVE PROCEEDED WITH MOVING TOWARDS ISSUING GAP SOLICITATION, THAT INCLUDES BOTH FEDERAL AND BOND FUNDING, WE HAVE TO USUALLY FALL BACK ON WHAT THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS ARE.

>> SPEARS: OKAY. I JUST -- AND THEN I WONDERED, TOO, WHY WE -- WHY WE FOCUSED SO HEAVILY ON HOUSING? I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED AS MUCH ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER AREAS TODAY.

>> SHANNON: WELL, I THINK THE INTENT, COUNCILWOMAN, IS, LOOK, THE 2022 BOND, WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING. THAT WAS REALLY THE FIRST TIME WE HAD HOUSING IN -- IN, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR BOND.

2017 WAS THE FIRST TIME AND IT WAS THE RESULT OF A CHARTER CHANGE, I BELIEVE IT WAS, TO ALLOW THAT. SO WE KIND OF DIPPED OUR TOE IN THE WATER, THE NEED WAS THERE IN 2017. WE WANTED TO JUST GIVE AN UPDATE OCH A -- OF A SIGNIFICANT RELATIVELY NEW PIECE.

CERTAINLY DRAINAGE, STREETS, PARKS, FACILITIES, THOSE HAVE BEEN IN THE BOND CATEGORIES, GO BACK DECADES, STILL VERY IMPORTANT, THEY STILL GET MOST OF THE DOLLARS IN THE 1.2 BILLION.

SO IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE, IT WAS JUST TO HIGHLIGHT KIND OF THE UPDATE OF THE NEW HOUSING BOND THAT WAS ADDED LAST

TIME. >> SPEARS: THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO -- OH, SORRY. YOU JUST SAT DOWN. BUT SA TOMORROW PROJECTS, THE STONE OAK REGIONAL PLAN, THEY'RE HAVING A FIT ABOUT THE STONE OAK REGIONAL PLAN. STONE OAK'S PRETTY WELL BUILT OUT, AND THERE'S ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY ARE WE -- WHY ARE WE EVEN -- THIS DOESN'T MATCH WHAT WE WANT OR NEED ANYMORE. AND THEY'RE NOT FEELING HEARD. AND MY QUESTION IS, WHEN CONSTITUENTS ARE PUSHING BACK, LIKE WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING THIS WEEK, PUSHING BACK ABOUT SOMETHING, HOW ARE WE RESPONDING TO THAT? HOW ARE WE TRACKING THAT? HOW ARE WE -- I MEAN, WE SAY CALL 3-1-1, BUT YOU'RE IN THE ROOM WITH THEM, AND THEY'RE TALKING TO THE EXPERTS, THE PEOPLE DOING THE PROJECT AND HEARING, WE DON'T WANT THIS ANYMORE.

WE NO LONGER NEED THIS, THIS DOESN'T SOLVE OUR PROBLEM.

YOU ACTUALLY ALREADY FIXED OUR PROBLEM FIVE YEARS AGO.

THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S -- THEY'RE FRUSTRATION'S COME OUT AND THEN THEY GET APATHETIC AND THEN THEY DON'T WANT TO COME VOTE ON THE BOND, AND THEN THEY FEEL UNHEARD. IT'S A WHOLE PROBLEM.

>> SHANNON: WELL, CERTAINLY, AFTER THAT MEETING, THAT IS ATYPICAL. USUALLY WE'RE AT THESE MEETINGS AND THEY'RE SAYING THANK GOODNESS YOU'RE HERE, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT A LONG TIME, WE HAVE A LOT OF ENERGY, EFFORT PUT IN THIS PROCESS, THAT I JUST LAID OUT, IT'S A YEAR-LONG PROCESS TO DETERMINE THE NEEDS, WE'RE FIGHTING FOR THE DOLLARS TO GET INTO THE BOND AND THEN GET APPROVED NOW, CERTAINLY YOU HAD A EXAMPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT, THERE WAS SOME PUSHBACK AS TO THE NEED OF THAT PROJECT. I STILL NEED TO WORK WITH YOU AND REALLY THE TEAM ON THAT, THAT PROJECT'S BEEN APPROVED BY VOTER AND PART OF OUR JOB IS TO DELIVER THAT PROJECT TO ADDRESS SOME FLOODING AND STREET NEEDS. I THINK WE NEED TO DIG IN THE SPECIFICS AND HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS. SO, AGAIN, LIKE WE'RE HERE TO DELIVER THE PROJECTS THAT ARE NEEDED. CERTAINLY IF THINGS CHANGE, WE HAVE TO DWREAS THAT. ADDRESS THAT.

AGAIN, YOU'RE A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES AND I'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU AND THOSE RESIDENTS ON, THAT IS VERY ATYPICAL. USUALLY WHEN WE'RE AT THOSE MEETINGS, THEY'RE READY TO GO, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING --

JUST SAY. >> SPEARS: YEAH. I HEAR YOU SAYING IT'S ATYPICAL, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT EXACTLY HOW I'M HEARING IT.

>> SHANNON: ALL RIGHT. >> SPEARS: MAINLY ON DRAINAGE, QUITE FRANKLY, I LOVE TO WALK ABOUT WATER AND DRAINAGE, IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I WANT TO REITERATE THIS ONE THING THAT CAME TO MY ATTENTION. THE SCOPE OF EVERY DRAINAGE PROJECT, AT LEAST FOR US IN DISTRICT 9 AND 8, I BELIEVE, WHEN WE'RE OVER THE RECHARGE

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AND IF WE'RE NOT THINKING THAT WAY ABOUT DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER AND WATERSHED, WE'VE JUST GOT TO ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT. AND THAT WAS -- THAT WAS

SHOCKING TO THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. >> SHANNON: I THINK, COUNCILWOMAN, THAT'S ONE YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO.

ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY OVER THE AQUIFER, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TCEQ PROCESS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING ALL THE STANDARDS FOR THE AQUIFER AND THOSE PROTECTED REGIONS.

I WASN'T AT THE MEETING WITH YOU, BUT I'LL WORK WITH ART AND OUR STORMWATER TEAM TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE THERE FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS. I BELIEVE THEY ARE, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP ONE THAT

THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ON. >> SPEARS: WE'VE GOT SOME NEW FLOOD MAPS -- THAT'S THE OTHER PROBLEM, YOU GET NEW INFORMATION.

AND THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY FIXED IT WITH A QUICK LITTLE CULVERT FIX.

AND NOW IT'S A 17 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT THAT NOBODY WANTS. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND, IS HOW DO WE CLAW THAT BACK, CAN WE CLAW THAT BACK, SINCE WE'VE WAITED SO LONG, AND NOBODY WANTS IT ANYMORE, AND THE ECONOMY CHANGED AND EVERYBODY FEELS DIFFERENTLY AND WOULD VOTE DIFFERENTLY TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND ON THOSE SITUATIONS.

AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP ENGAGING WITH OUR RESIDENTS DURING THIS PROCESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE HAVE TO HAVE HUGE TURNOUT AND ENGAGEMENT. IT'S -- BECAUSE THEN -- THEN YOU DEAL WITH PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, I DON'T WANT THIS, I DON'T LIKE THIS, AND THEN THEY DIDN'T VOTE IN IT BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT NO ONE'S LISTENING. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FEEL HEARD.

AND WE ARE LISTENING. I WOULD SAY, TOO, I FOUND THIS DOCUMENT CALLED NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INNOVATION, BALANCING THE BUDGET THROUGH RAPID ASSESSMENT OF CORE SERVICES. DOES ANYBODY HERE REMEMBER THIS DOCUMENT? JUSTINA? NO? IT WAS DRAFTED HERE, ACTUALLY, IN 2011, AND IT'S A REALLY GOOD DOCUMENT. IT'S ONLY LIKE FIVE PAGES LONG.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN.

IT REALLY HONES IN ON WHAT OUR CORE SERVICES ARE AND WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IN OUR CITY. AND I THINK IT WAS DONE AROUND THE TIME WHEN WE WERE IN THE SAME SITUATION FINANCIALLY. AND I THINK MY OFFICE WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I HAVE COPIES OF IT, IF WE NEED IT. I AM VERY LEERILY OF A VARIABLE TAX RATE BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU GIVE AN INCH, PEOPLE WILL TAKE A MILE AND I JUST CAN'T -- ALL I HEAR IS "I CAN'T AFFORD IT" I CAN'T AFFORD IT, MISTY.

I CAN'T DO IT. AND I'M NOT -- I GUESS I'LL SIGN UP FOR THE NEXT

ONE. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER KAUR? >> KAUR: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

CAN Y'ALL TELL ME ABOUT THE TAX -- THE VARIABLE TAX RATE, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE THE MEDIAN BILL BUILD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK.

WE HAD A PROPERTY TAX RATE CONVERSATION BY M & O WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE BILL FOR $7 FOR A 150K HOME. WHAT WOULD THAT DO? I KNOW IT'S HARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION BECAUSE IT'S VARIABLE.

>> ELLIOTT: I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT WE CAN COME BACK AND PRESENT.

IN NEARRY, AS THE VALUES ARE GOING DOWN, APPLIED AGAINST THAT STAGNANT OR HISTORICAL TAX RATE, THE TAX BILL'S GOING DOWN. IN THEORY, AND WE HAVE TO MODEL THIS, IT SHOULD LEVEL OUT THEIR TAX BILL OVER TIME.

>> KAUR: AND OUR S DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT ALSO HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF

YEARS. >> ELLIOTT: OUR DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE HAS BEEN CONSTANT FOR ABOUT THE LAST 20 YEARS, WE HAVE NOT CHANGED IT.

>> KAUR: WHERE'S IT AT RIGHT NOW? >> ELLIOTT: 21 CENTS PER

$100. >> KAUR: AND THAT'S THE MAX THAT IT COULD EVER BE

AT RIGHT NOW. >> ELLIOTT: NO, IT CAN GO UP.

WE HAVE LEGAL DEBT CAPS. WE CAN GO UP TO 1.50. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF

CAPACITY. >> KAUR: GOT IT. AND WHAT OTHER CITIES

KEEP FIXED DEBT SERVICE TAX RATE? >> ELLIOTT: I HAVE THE INFORMATION. I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK. I DON'T WANT TO SAY

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THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES, TOO, THAT ALSO DO THE VARIABLE RATE

METHOD. >> KAUR: I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE A STATEMENT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT COULD POSSIBLY BE, LIKE THE COMMENT THAT WAS ACTUALLY JUST SAID, RIGHT, DOES THIS MEAN SOMEONE'S BILL IS GOING TO GO FROM -- LIKE INCREASE BY $5, BY $100 FOR THAT MEDIAN INCOME HOME, AND SO IT'S HARD TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A STATEMENT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE. SO MAYBE WE GIVE -- AT THE NEXT PRESENTATION, WE GET SOME EXAMPLES OF IF, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TO CHANGE IT TO A VARIABLE TAX RATE, WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS -- OR A BILLION DOLLARS BOND, THIS IS -- AND THESE ARE OUR POTENTIAL SCENARIOS, SO THREE SCENARIOS WHERE OUR RATES ARE INCREASING AND THIS IS WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE, PROPERTY VALUES ARE DECREASING, THIS IS WHAT THE RATE WOULD BE, ET CETERA.

LIKE THREE DIFFERENT POTENTIAL SCENARIOS WHERE IT'S CONSERVATIVE TO

AGGRESSIVE. >> ELLIOTT: ABSOLUTELY. ONCE WE START GITING INTO THAT DETAIL, WE'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

>> WALSH: AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE, COUNCILWOMAN, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE AUGUST PRESENTATION WHEN WE HAVE THE CERTIFIED ROLL.

>> KAUR: OKAY. BASED ON THE TIMELINE SLIDE, I THINK IT'S SLIDE 11, I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT THAT TIMELINE SLIDE, BECAUSE IF WE GO TO MAY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHY MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING THAT, AND I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT, I THINK IT'S THE ONE RIGHT BEFORE THIS, SORRY, SLIDE 10, THIS IS STATING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE STEPS 1 AND 2 FOR A MAY 2027

BOND BECAUSE IT'S MAY 2026, RIGHT? >> SHANNON: IT MEANS THAT WE'VE STARTED THAT. AND THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE SUMMER. SO WE'VE -- YOU KNOW, WE TALKED IN JANUARY ABOUT A 2027, POSSIBLE '27 BOND. ACTUALLY IN AUGUST WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY A '26 OR '27, SO THIS CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING, BUT CERTAINLY INITIATING AND DEVELOPING A PROGRAM AND THINKING ABOUT IT, SO CITY STAFF TO TRY TO LEAD UP TO TODAY, WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT WHAT A '27 BOND COULD LOOK LIKE, MAY, NOVEMBER. AND THEN WE'RE STARTING TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS. SO MY TEAM AND I OVER THE LAST MONTH OR SO WORKING WITH SOME OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, JUST PULLING UP OLD RECORDS, OLD NEEDS, KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT ON ANOTHER SLIDE WAS, WHAT ARE THE POTENTIALS. RIGHT NOW, IT'S HAVE R, YOU KNOW -- GOT SOME HOLES IN THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL ON THOSE. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BUILD OUT THROUGH THE SUMMER UNTIL THE TIME, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE IT'S SAYS THAT WE WILL IDENTIFY -- STAFF WILL PRESENT TO YOU SOME POTENTIAL PROJECTS.

WHICH IS MAYBE -- I THINK IT'S IN THAT AUGUST TIME FRAME.

STAFF RECOMMENDED PROJECTS AND COMMUNITY MEETING PROCESS, SO...

>> KAUR: THE HARD PART ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS THAT I JUST HEARD IS WE'RE IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL PROJECTS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR CAPACITY WILL BE UNTIL AUGUST. AND SO THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO BE TALKING TO RESIDENTS AND SAYING, LIKE, WE'RE COLLECTING IDEAS, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE, WE DON'T WANT TO SET FALSE EXPECTATION -- I FEEL LIKE OUR HISTORY IS GOING TO HAVE US SET FALSE EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH BOND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE OUT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING, HOW THAT TIMELINE WORKS IF WE DO -- WHICH I FEEL LIKE SO MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, THEY WANT TO PUSH FOR MAY, HOW DOES THAT -- AND WHEN WILL WE KNOW WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS, IF WE GO IN MAY

VERSUS NOVEMBER? >> WALSH: WE'LL KNOW IN AUGUST WITH THE CERTIFIED

ROLL. >> KAUR: IN AUGUST. >> WALSH: THE CERTIFIED ROLL THAT WE GET AT THE END OF JULY IS GOING TO HELP US WITH THE SETTING OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET, IT'S GOING TO SET THE CAPACITY REQUIREMENTS UNDER AN EITHER FIXED RATE OR A VARIABLE RATE OPTION THAT WE'LL PROANT TO YOU IN AUGUST -- PRESENT TO YOU IN AUGUST.

>> KAUR: OKAY. >> SHANNON: AS PART OF IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL PROJECTS, I DON'T THINK WE KNOW -- DON'T AS CITY STAFF AS WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL PROJECTS, WE'RE WORKING WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS. FREKSZ, TALKING WITH THE LIBRARY, TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS ARE, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR, WHAT THEY'RE -- ARE THERE BUILDINGS THAT THEY NEED TO RENOVATE OR DCHT HS WITH THE SENIOR CENTER, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT T THE OLDER SENIOR CENTER. ONCE WE KNOW WHERE THE LINE IS, THAT WILL HELP US WITH THE PRIORITY AND HOW MUCH WE CAN AFFORD, I THINK I CAN STILL DO THAT WITH WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, 500, 600, A BILLION, I THINK I SAID IT EARLIER, THERE'S A PROBABLY MORE NEED THAN WE HAVE, WHICHEVER NUMBER WE LAND, SO I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR US TO GET STARTED, BUT VERY QUICKLY, TO YOUR POINT, WE WILL NEED THAT NUMBER TO MAKE SOME FIRM DECISIONS LATER ON THIS SUMMER, I THINK, AFTER THE TAX RATE IS THERE. IS THAT --

>> KAUR: OKAY. I THINK IN AUGUST WHEN YOU GUYS COME BACK.

I MEAN, FOR ME, IF THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN 600 MILLION AND A BILLION DOLLARS, MAY VERSUS NOVEMBER IS WORTH IT, RIGHT? SO I JUST THINK IT -- AND I UNDERSTAND INFLATION COSTS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT, BUT I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GIVING UP BY GIVING UP THOSE SIX MONTHS. AND I ALSO -- TO COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE'S POINT, WOULD LIKE A WHOLE LISTIC IMAGE OF -- IF WE INCREASE THE M & O RATE,

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AND SO THAT'S THE LENS THAT I'M LOOKING AT. SUPPORT COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S POINT ON SENIOR CENTER FROM THE INNER CITY TIRZ.

I SIT ON THAT BOARD, SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO VOTE ON THAT WITH YOU.

ON THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT CONVERSATION, SO I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND IDENTIFY, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DO WANT TO RFP OUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOT, THE D5 LOT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON HEMISFAIR, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED -- IF WE WANTED TO SAVE -- ALLOCATE DOLLARED FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND FOR THAT PROJECT, WOULD WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THAT OUT TO SAY WE WANT

TO FUND THAT IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND? >> WALSH: I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE. AND, YOU KNOW, THE CATEGORIES, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE, OTHER THAN MAYBE PARK, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WILL REALLY BE PART OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE TO YOU GUYS IN SEPTEMBER. THE D5 OR ANY RELATED DOWNTOWN HOUSING, THE COUNCIL COULD, OR YOU COULD INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE GENERAL HOUSING

PROPOSITION. >> KAUR: I JUST THINK WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE DO FOR ONE, FOR ALL OF THE BUCKETS. SO IF WE DECIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT OUT INFRASTRUCTURE, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TOO, WOULD BE MY THOUGHT THERE.

WHAT ABOUT THE IMAGINISH THEATER, IF WE WANTED TO PULL FUNDING FOR THE MAGIK THEATRE, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED A PART OF THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT

PROJECT. >> WALSH: THE ISSUE THERE, AS TROY MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, THAT'S A CITY FACILITY, SO IT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE UNDER A SEPARATE PROPER SIX, IF WE FOLLOWED THAT -- PROPOSITION, IF WE FOLLOWED THAT PATH, OR IT COULD BE PART OF A FACILITY PROPOSITION FOR

THE CITY. >> KAUR: YEAH. SO I JUST -- PULLING OUT PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'VE BEEN PREVIOUSLY FUNDING THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO GO OUT ON LIKE -- IF WE DO THIS, WE HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE IMPACTS OF PULLING OUT THESE PROPOSITIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE WANT OUR VOTERS TO VOTE EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO VOTE ON THE MAGIK THEATRE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS JUST -- I AM WORRIED THAT IT BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE OF, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THE PLAYHOUSE, EVERYBODY FROM THE CITY COMES TO THE PLAYHOUSE, SHOULD THAT BE IN ITS OWN PROPOSITION? SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE WE DRAW THAT LINE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK ON IN THE NEXT CONVERSATION.

AS FAR AS THE HOUSING TRUST CONVERSATION, REALLY QUICKLY IN THAT LAST MINUTE, FIVE OF US SIT ON THE HOUSING TRUST BOARD, TWO OF US ARE ON THE EXECUTIVE -- ARE ON -- SERVING VICE PRESIDENT AND TREASURER ROLE, AND WE HAVE THE MAJORITY ON THE VOTING FOR THE PFC.

IF WE ALLOCATE -- MY WORRY IF WE ALLOCATE JUST DOLLARS TO THE HOUSING TRUST, WE ARE BASICALLY SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A SENSE OF COMPETITION IN THE EQUAL HOUSING MARKETPLACE. LIKE ANY OTHER INDUSTRY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A COMPETITIVE INDUSTRY, AND IF WE JUST SAY WE'RE FUNDING ONLY HOUSING TRUST, WHICH I HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE HOUSING TRUST, MIGHT CREATE A SENSE THAT WE'RE ONLY WANTING -- WE'RE NOT CREATING A FAIR COMPETITIVE MARKETPLACE FOR ALL OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEN OPPORTUNITY HOME COULD COME BACK TO US AND SAY, HEY, YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING US IN THE SAME WAY BECAUSE THEY DO DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL. SO I JUST THINK IT GETS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY THERE. OF COURSE I SUPPORT THE AFFORDABLE HOWSESING BOND

IN GENERAL. THANKS, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT.

COUNCILWOMAN ALDARETE GAVITO. >> GAVITO: THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, MIKE, FOR THE PREBRIEF. I -- AND AFTER REVIEWING THE DECK AND THE PREBRIEF, SORRY, WORKING MOM AND HAD TO GO TO MY DAUGHTER'S SCHOOL CONFERENCE, SO JUST HAD A FEW COMMENTS.

I'M GOOD WITH THE CURRENT CATEGORIES. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS BOND PROCESSES HAVE WORKED WELL.

I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF A SEPARATE BOND, TO COUNCILWOMAN KAUR'S POINT, I MEAN, USAGE IS GOING TO BE FROM ALL OVER THE CITY, SO DEFINITELY NOT IN SUPPORT OF US TAKING OUT A SEPARATE BOND FOR SPURS-RELATED PROJECTS DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN KAUR ON THE EXPECTATION SETTING. IT'S HARD TO LET RESIDENTS KNOW WHAT KIND OF BOND WE'RE EXPECTING WHEN WE JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE ANSWERS RIGHT NOW, BUT I WILL SAY THIS: LAST SATURDAY I HAD COFFEE WITH WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN, WE HAD PROBABLY WELL OVER 80 PEOPLE PACKED AT TEXAS STAR INN AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TAX INCREASES, ALL OF THIS,

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YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS A HARD TIME FOR RESIDENTS, SO WHENEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL INCREASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE -- IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO PUSH THAT ONTO THEM WHEN WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH HIGHER GAS PRICES, WE'RE ALL DEALING WITH THE ECONOMY, WHICH IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL. LIKE YOU KNOW -- I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING CAUSED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY OUTSIDE FACTORS THAT ARE WEIGHING ON US, BUT RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE LOOKING AT INCREASES, TAX INCREASES OR RATE INCREASES ON OUR RESIDENTS.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN ABOUT THE TRICHAIRS BEING APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL AND THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS.

AND WE'LL WORK WITH Y'ALL ON DIFFERENT SPECIFICS, BUT, YES, I SEE THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG WHEN WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS, IT'S HARD TO SET THOSE EXPECTATIONS. AND OUR EXPECTATIONS, ACCORDINGLY, TOO, SO

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: COUNCILMEMBER. >> SPEARS:

SPEARS ON THE SECOND ROUND. >> SPEARS: OKAY.

THANK YOU. HOW ARE WE GOING TO RIGHT THE SHIP ON THE VALUE, THE TAXABLE VALUES? BECAUSE, I MEAN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO TAKE OUT MORE DEBT FOR THE TIRZ IF THERE ISN'T A FORECAST WHERE THAT GOES UP?

>> WALSH: ARE YOU REFERRING TO COUNCILMEMBER

MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S -- >> SPEARS: NOT SPECIFICALLY, NO.

BECAUSE WE ISSUE DEBT ON THE TIRZ, RIGHT, AND THAT'S BASED ON FUTURE

FORECASTED REVENUES AND TAXABLE VALUES. >> WALSH: IT IS, YES,

MA'AM. >> SPEARS: BUT WE'RE FORECASTED TO GO DOWN.

>> WALSH: THOSE FORECASTS IN THE TIRZ ALIGN WITH WHAT WE DO WITH OUR -- WHAT WE SEE IN VALUE, PROPERTY VALUES. THEY'RE NOT SEPARATE AND APART, THEY'RE A PART OF THAT OVERALL. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, SPECIFICALLY, I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ IS TALKING ABOUT PART OF THAT ADJUSTMENT IS ALSO THE ALIGNMENT OF TIME. AND HOW LONG THAT TIRZ IS AVAILABLE.

AM I ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? >> SPEARS: I THINK SO.

SO YOU'VE ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR THE FACT THAT THE VALUES ARE GOING

DOWN IN YOUR BORROWING CAPACITY. >> WALSH: IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE ADJUSTED AND AMENDED, JUST LIKE OUR ANNUAL BUDGET.

>> SPEARS: OKAY. >> WALSH: AND THE ISSUANCE OF ANY DEBTOR, I MEAN, THERE'S -- DEBT, I MEAN, THERE'S -- I'LL USE I'LL USE BROOKS AS AN EXAMPLE, THE ISSUANCE OF ANY DEBT -- AND GENERALLY, ALL THE -- ALL THE USE OF THE BROOKS TIRZ HAS BEEN FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND STREET WORK. SO THEY ISSUE DEBT. WE ISSUE DEBT WITH THEM.

AND THAT DEBT IS PAID FOR OUT OF THE TIRZ. AND IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION. ANY DEBT THAT WE ISSUE THROUGH A TIRZ STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL -- THE BOARD'S FIRST, THE

COUNCIL SECOND. >> SPEARS: OKAY. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE BOND COMMITTEE PROCESS. I CAN'T SEE A WAY TO GET BEHIND THE VARIABLE TAX RATE. AND I THINK THERE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IF WE START LOOKING AT DISTRICT-SPECIFIC PROPOSITIONS.

JUST RESEARCHING IT AT ALL WILL SHOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM IN OTHER CITIES, AND I WOULD URGE EVERYONE TO BE LOOKING A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY AT WHAT THAT DOES IN OTHER MARKETS. AND TO MY COLLEAGUES' POINTS, THAT IS REALLY THE BASIS OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS EVERYONE IN MY DISTRICT IS SAYING WE CAN'T DO ALL THESE THINGS YOU'RE ASKING US TO PAY FOR. WE JUST CAN'T DO IT. AND ON THE ARTS AND CULTURE PIECE, AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO PROBABLY RUFFLE SOME FEATHERS, BUT THEY ALMOST HAD A FIT THAT THERE WAS AN ARTS AND CULTURE SCULPTURE PUT IN AN AREA ON A ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT FOR $350,000.

I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO JUSTIFY THAT ON A RO ROAD IMPROVEMENT.

AND ALSO THE PLACEMENT OF IT IS GOING TO BLOCK THEIR VISION THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT. I JUST -- THAT'S A REALLY HARD ONE FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE THEY JUST -- IT DOESN'T TIE TOGETHER FOR ME, HOW YOU BUILD IN ARTS AND CULTURE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO I INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE VOTING ON.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT.

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SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT COUNCILWOMAN KAUR WAS SAYING ABOUT THE HOLISTIC PICTURE OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH DOLLARS.

PERCENTAGES ARE HARD, AND THAT'S EVEN HARD IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU START TALKING IN PERCENTAGES, IT'S WORST-CASE SCENARIO EVERY TIME. I DO IT. I THINK MOST PEOPLE DO IT. YOU START GOING, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND SO WE NEED TO SEE DOLLARS AND CENTS, AND THAT WILL HELP TREMENDOUSLY IN OUR DISCUSSIONS MOVING FORWARD.

SO THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE SECOND ROUND? OKAY. THANK YOU, TROY, MIKE, VERONICA, FOR ALL OF THE -- CERTAINLY FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THEN FOR THE CLARIFICATION. ON THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, I SHARED WITH MIKE, BUT HAVE A REAL APPRECIATION FOR THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND AS SOON AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LONG-TERM SUSTAINMENT COSTS, THIS REMINDED ME OF BEING AT THE PENTAGON AND YOU'D BE GIFTED ALL THESE PLANES YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR AND THEN HAVE TO SUSTAIN THEM FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS. AND SO I CAN APPRECIATE HOW WE THINK ABOUT NOT ONLY THE COST TO BUILD THE THING, BUT NOW HOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT SUSTAINING THAT LONGER TERM, WHICH REALLY GETS US INTO THINKING ABOUT KIND OF THE BASE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT FOR EACH OF THESE PUBLIC SERVICES. I THINK THE SENIOR CENTER IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

I WAS JUST WITH OUR SENIORS AT THE -- AT ROSEDALE FOR THEIR SENIOR FIESTA, LET'S JUST CALL IT THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HOW WE, AS A COMMUNITY, CAN COMMIT TO MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF OUR SENIOR CENTERS HAVE -- COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ, THE SENIOR CENTER THAT YOU'RE PUTTING FORTH AND HOW THAT MAY DIFFER IN SERVICE HIGHER THAN OR LESS THAN, FOR EXAMPLE, THAN WALKER RANCH, BUT WHEN I TALK TO FOLKS, WALKER RANCH IS THE EXAMPLE, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS AND FRANKLY, THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY DESERVES. WHAT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IS IF WE ALL COMMITTED TO THAT, WHAT THEN ARE NOT ONLY THE BUILD COSTS BUT WHAT ARE THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINMENT COSTS AS A RESULT OF THAT. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, JUST KIND OF AS AN EXPEL LECTUAL EXERCISE FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THOSE -- INTELLECTUAL EXERCISE FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THOSE COSTS LOOK LIKE IN THIS BOND.

AND THOSE TWO -- SENIORS -- FRANKLY, EVERYBODY IS REALLY WANTING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHY CAN'T I HAVE THAT, RIGHT? SO I'D APPRECIATE THAT ANALYSIS, MIKE AND TEAM. DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE FUNDED LAST TIME CAME WITH LEVERAGE FUNDING? AND WERE THOSE -- EXCUSE ME. WERE THOSE PROJECTS GIVEN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, IN FACT, BECAUSE THEY CAME WITH LEVERAGED

FUNDING? >> SHANNON: I'LL SAY THE EASY ANSWER IS YES TO THE SECOND QUESTION. WE DO HAVE THE LIST OF THEM.

I'M NOT SURE I HAVE THAT WITH ME, BUT WE CAN PULL THAT OUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOND GUIDE THAT WE PUBLISHED, AND WE STILL HAVE ONLINE, WE ACTUALLY CALL THAT OUT IN EVERY PROJECT, WHICH ONES ARE LEVERAGED FUNDING OR NOT THAT WE'RE DOING. I CAN FOLLOW-UP WITH YOU

AND THE COUNCIL FAIRLY QUICKLY. >> MAYOR JONES: CERTAINLY.

AND MY FOCUS WOULD BE, ONE, IS THAT -- IS THIS A PUBLIC FACILITY, ONE.

TWO, DOES IT COME WITH LEVERAGED FUNDING? I THINK WE JUST -- AS MUCH AS WE CAN LEVERAGE OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, CERTAINLY THIS TIME WE

NEED TO DO THAT. OKAY. >> WALSH: MAYOR, WE'LL DO THAT. BUT JUST -- THE ANSWER TO PART 2 OF YOUR QUESTION, HOW MUCH CONSIDERATION WAS GIVEN? IT WAS -- IT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THE COUNCIL GAVE, BUT I WOULDN'T CALL IT

NECESSARILY A DRIVING -- >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. >> WALSH: BECAUSE THE COUNCIL WAS DEALING WITH -- THE COUNCIL WAS DEALING WITH DRAINAGE NEEDS OR STREET NEEDS OR PARKS NEEDS OR -- AND SO IT WAS A FACTOR.

I'M NOT SURE -- IT WAS CERTAINLY HELPFUL. WHAT WOULD BE EVEN MORE INTERESTING FOR US TO PROVIDE YOU ALL FROM MIKE IS WHAT THE INITIAL LEVERAGED REQUEST WAS AND WHAT IT WAS AT THE VERY END, BECAUSE IT CHANGED OVER TIME. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP KIND OF CLARIFY THE -- HOW THAT PROCESS MOVED THROUGH THE COUNCIL.

>> MAYOR JONES: YEAH. AND -- THANK YOU FOR THAT, ERIK.

I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT WE CAN ACTUALLY ALSO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO CONSIDER THINGS A LEVERAGED OPPORTUNITY.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT WITH MARC'S PRESENTATION AND FRANKLY THE NEED TO LOOK INTO PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT CAN HELP US BETTER FUND THESE THINGS, A GREATER

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ON DETERMINING THE NEEDS, I DO SUPPORT SEPARATE PROPOSITION WITH RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE. I DO WANT TO PRIORITIZE ON THE FLOOD PROJECTS, PROJECTS RELATED TO THE KLEIN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT REPORT AND ITS RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND RESILIENCE. I'M SURE WE HAVE IT, BUT I'D WELCOME, IN LIGHT OF ADDITIONAL RENEWED ANALYSIS THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND INVESTMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE EITHER FOR THE 100-YEAR STORM OR FOR THE 25-YEAR STORM EVENTS.

I WOULD LIKE US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RISKS WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY AS A RESULT OF WHERE SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS VIS-A-VIS THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

ON THE CITY FACILITIES, ERIK, YOU AND I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ON THIS NUMEROUS TIMES, BUT LAYING OUT VERY CLEARLY THE PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN THAN THEY WOULD BE BEFORE TO REPLACE.

I KNOW THAT'S A LONGER LIST THAN WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE, NOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR FACILITIES, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OUR CITY WORKERS WORK IN THOSE FACILITIES AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE TOPNOTCH. WHEN WE'RE THINKING OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE THE PORT OR OTHERS, BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS COMPONENT WHEN I GO TO, FOR EXAMPLE, ROSEDALE. ROSEDALE HOSTS THE CONJUNTO FESTIVAL. 45,000 PEOPLE COME INTO THAT FESTIVAL EVERY YEAR BUT YET THERE'S NOT PROPER PARKING. I WELCOME UNDERSTANDING HOW WE MIGHT BE -- I DON'T WANT TO MOVE IT FROM ROSEDALE. THAT IS NOT THE HEADLINE. BUT UNDERSTANDING HOW WE INVEST IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC RETURNS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. HOW WE PRIORITIZE A PROJECT LIKE THAT IN LIGHT OF THIS -- HOSTING THIS VERY UNIQUE CULTURAL EVENT BUT ALSO TOURIST EVENT, IS SOMETHING THAT I WELCOME YOUR HELP FACTORING INTO OUR ANALYSIS.

AND OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT MAY FALL INTO THAT. ON THE HOME OWNERSHIP PIECE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE -- OR THINKING ABOUT THIS THE SAME WAY. I CERTAINLY CAN APPRECIATE HELPING PEOPLE ENTER HOME OWNERSHIP. I THINK WHAT I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH -- ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE BUILDING WEALTH. HOME EQUITY.

AND SO IF WE'RE THINKING MORE ABOUT HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE CAN WE HELP PEOPLE WEALTH, HOME EQUITY, WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT SOLUTION THAN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON LARGE LOTS. TO MY COLLEAGUE'S POINT ABOUT ARE WE LOOKING AT MORE MULTIFAMILY SOLUTIONS, SMALLER UNITS, ET CETERA.

YOU KNOW, AN ANALYSIS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE PUTTING IN A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME VERSUS HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE COULD WE HELP IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE GENERATE EQUITY AND WEALTH LEADS TO DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS. VERONICA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING TO THAT.

>> OUR SOLICITATIONS ARE USUALLY OPEN TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.

WHAT WE TEND TO GET BACK IS THE STANDARD SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON A LARGE LOT.

SOME OF THE HOME OWNERSHIP FUNDS DID GO TO CONVERTING A MOBILE HOME PARK TO COMMUNITY LAND OWNERSHIP, COMMUNITY OWNERSHIP. AND THEN IN THE HOME REHAB CATEGORY WE ALSO USE SOME OF THE FUNDS TO INCENTIVIZE COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS.

WE CAN BE CREATIVE WITH THE FUNDS. THAT'S JUST KIND OF MORE TRADITIONALLY THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF THE HOUSING THAT WE BUILT WITH THE HOME

OWNERSHIP. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. BUT TO BE CLEAR, PLEASE TAKE BACK FOR YOUR TEAM MAYBE ANOTHER APPROACH THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND IF WE ARE FOCUSED ON HELPING MORE PEOPLE ACHIEVE HOME EQUITY, WOULD WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS, DIFFERENT REQUESTS FROM THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT

OPPORTUNITIES? OKAY. >> WALSH: MAYOR, SO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS POTENTIALLY INCREASE SOMEONE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR HOME EQUITY, ARE YOU SAYING FOR US TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY DOING LESS

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RENTAL AND MORE OWNERSHIP MODELS? >> MAYOR JONES: SAY THAT

LAST PART AGAIN. >> WALSH: LESS RENTAL AND MORE OWNERSHIP MODELS.

THE CURRENT -- THE FIRST HOUSING BOND DID A MIX. IT WAS OUR FIRST TIME.

PART OF WHAT THE SECOND TIME AROUND IS NARROWING DOWN ON A FOCUS AND ARE YOU ASKING

US TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT -- >> MAYOR JONES: I'M NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT MIX BUT I'M SAYING WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOME OWNERSHIP THAT WE'RE MORE, NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN PURCHASE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME ON A LARGE LOT BUT HOW MANY MORE HOME OWNERSHIP WITH THE END GOAL BEING HOME EQUITY. BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO BUILD WEALTH.

MY GOAL IS FOR YOU NOT TO MOW A YARD. MY GOAL IS FOR YOU TO HAVE EQUITY. YOU CAN TELL HOW I FEEL ABOUT MOWING YARDS, BY THE WAY. WE ALL APPRECIATE THINGS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THEY WERE IN 2002 BUT THE BELOW THE LINE PROJECTS, IF YOU COULD REFRESH THE ESTIMATES ON THOSE. YOU HAVE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT ANALYSIS INTO ALREADY, I WOULD IMAGINE, THERE'S PROBABLY STILL COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THOSE, WHERE THOSE FARE BASED ON ADDITIONAL INPUT. AS OF NOW I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL. JUST TO GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW MUCH THE COSTS HAVE INCREASED ON THOSE WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

IN TERMS OF THE ELECTION TIMELINE, I THINK THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE INVESTMENTS, WE DO TAKE THE TIME TO HEAR FROM AS MUCH OF OUR NEIGHBORS AS POSSIBLE AND GIVEN THAT MORE OF THEM, AS WITH EVERYTHING, THEY'RE PAYING MORE ATTENTION IN NOVEMBER THAN IN MAY, WHICH LENDS ITSELF TO ADDITIONAL INPUT AND FEEDBACK.

AND PARTICIPATION FROM THEM. I WOULD STILL SUPPORT A NOVEMBER ELECTION.

I KNOW THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT. ERIK, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING IN AUGUST WHAT WILL BE THE VARIABLE TAX RATE SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. OKAY.

SECOND PRESENTATION. >> WALSH: THANK YOU FOR THAT CONVERSATION ON THE FIRST TOPIC. THESE ARE LARGE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE WRESTLING WITH AND WE APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION. WE GOT A LOT OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION TODAY.

THE SECOND PRESENTATION, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IS ON A BRIEFING ON OUR LONG-TERM SHELTER AND HOUSING FRAMEWORK FOR COMMUNITY HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM.

MANY OF YOU REMEMBER THAT WE CREATED THE HOMELESS SERVICES STRATEGY DEPARTMENT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND ONE OF THEIR MAIN PURPOSES WAS TO REORGANIZE.

>> MAYOR JONES: WAIT A SECOND, ERIK. WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TO GET

QUORUM BACK. >> WALSH: SO THE SECOND PRESENTATION IS AN UPDATE FROM MARK CARMONA ON OUR NEWLY-CREATED HOMELESS SERVICES AND STRATEGY DEPARTMENT THAT WE CREATED THIS YEAR. MARK IS GOING TO LAY OUT ONE OF THE MAJOR TASKS THAT HE HAD THIS YEAR WAS TO HELP IDENTIFY AND SET A FRAMEWORK FOR OUR LONG-TERM SHELTER AND HOUSING AS IT RELATES TO OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM. A LOT OF GOOD WORK. THIS IS KIND OF THE INITIAL PRESENTATION. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK.

YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF COMMONALITIES. I'M GLAD WE HAD THE BOND CONVERSATION AND THIS PRESENTATION ON THE SAME DAY BECAUSE THERE IS SOME OVERLAP AS IT RELATES TO OUR HOUSING BOND. MARK.

>> CARMONA: THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MARK CARMONA.

WHEN THE DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED , THE PRIMARY CHARGE FROM THE CITY MANAGER WAS TO CREATE A SHELTER AND HOUSING FRAMEWORK AS A PROACTIVE RESPONSE TO MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE UNHOUSED. OUR DEPARTMENT WANTS TO THANK CLOSE TO HOME, THE HUD-DESIGNATED AGENCY, THE HOMELESS MANAGEMENT TEAM, HAVEN FOR HOPE, OUR

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EACH OF THESE PARTNERS CONTRIBUTED BY PROVIDING DATA AND IMPROVING THE RESULTING FRAMEWORK. THE PURPOSE IN THIS FRAMEWORK REALLY IS HOW DO WE BUILD OUT SOMETHING THAT'S COMPREHENSIVE, BALANCED, AND COORDINATED TO CREATE A MEANINGFUL REDUCTION IN HOMELESSNESS IN SAN ANTONIO.

WE ARE, JUST AS SOME PROCESS TOUCH POINTS, WE ARE BUILDING OFF OF SIX RECOMMENDATIONS. BACK IN 2020 TO 2025 THERE WAS A HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS IN PLACE THAT WAS DEVELOPED AND IMPLEMENTED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES. THERE WERE SIX RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PLAN. IT WAS IMPLEMENTING A SINGLE COLLECTIVE IMPACT LEADERSHIP GROUP FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS CREATED THEN THE HOMELESS HUDDLE AND CLOSE TO HOME'S HOMELESS STRATEGIC PLAN ADVISORY BOARD .

IT WAS INCREASING INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITY-BASED HOUSING AND SERVICE OPTIONS.

OUR HOUSING BOND, WHICH WAS DISCUSSED TODAY, BUILT OUT THOSE UNITS AND THE CAPACITY FOR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. IT WAS INCREASING CAPACITY EFFECTIVENESS OF OUTREACH. AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PLAN, THERE WAS PROBABLY SYSTEM-WIDE ONLY ABOUT FIVE OUTREACH WORKERS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

THROUGH THE CITY'S INVESTMENT BUT THROUGH INVESTMENT IN THE HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM, THERE ARE NOW 39 OUTREACH WORKERS IN THE SYSTEM.

WE HAVE THREE CLINICIANS AND PARTNER AGENCIES HAVE ALSO BUILT CAPACITY IN THE CLINICAL SPACE. THE FOURTH THING WAS CALLING UPON AN ANALYSIS TO IDENTIFY HIGH UTILIZERS WITHIN PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

THE CITY WORKED WITH STRAC TO CONDUCT A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR HIGH UTILIZERS AND WE ALSO DEVELOPED A COMMUNITY COURT WITH THE D.A.'S OFFICE, MUNICIPAL COURT, AND COMMUNITY COURT 15.

WE WANTED TO DETAIL PRIORITIZATION POLICIES AND TARGETED INTERVENTIONS TO CONNECT UNHOUSED PEOPLE TO STABLE HOUSING. AND A FRESH START WAS THE CREATION AND ESTABLISHMENT OF A LOW-BARRIER SHELTER IN A HOTEL.

THIS STARTED IN 2021 IN A 45-UNIT HOTEL, EXPANDED TO 2023 TO 185-UNIT OPERATION FUNDED BY THE CITY THROUGH THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. INCREASING FOCUS ON CONSUMER ENGAGEMENT AND EQUITY. BUILDING ON THE COC'S YOUTH HOMELESSNESS DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM AND PARTNERS LIKE SAM AND OTHERS. THE COMMUNITY HAS UTILIZED LIVED EXPERIENCE THROUGHOUT OUR COC GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE, LIVED EXPERIENCE ADVISORY BOARD, AND ON THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS . ANOTHER AREA ■INTERMS OF&-ÚPROC, IS REPLACED BY A NEW SET OF PEOPLE COMING INTO HOMELESSNESS.

GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS IN FY25, WE ESTIMATE THAT THERE WERE OVER 4100 PEOPLE UNHOUSED ON THE STREET THROUGH ENGAGEMENT, THROUGH OUTREACH AND OTHER METHODS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET OVER 2800 OF THOSE FOLKS INTO SHELTER OR HOUSING.

THAT LEAVES US WITH A GAP OF 1327. AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAD 609 PEOPLE THAT ACCESSED SHELTER IN FY25 BUT STILL RETURNED TO HOMELESSNESS.

WHY? WHY DID THAT HAPPEN? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE FACTORS THAT WERE COMING INTO PLAY? THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I THINK CAME UP IN SOME

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SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, THERE'S THREE INTERVENTIONS I THINK THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT. THE FIRST IS SHORT-TERM RENTAL ASSISTANCE. NHD SERVE OVER 1900 HOUSEHOLDS.

WE HAVE THE VA, UNITED WAY, AND OTHERS ALSO PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE IN THIS SPACE. DIVERSION AND RAPID EXIT PROVIDE SOME IMMEDIATE SOLUTIONS TO PREVENT SHELTER ENTRY OR QUICKLY EXIT.

CLOSE TO HOME TO OPERATE A DIVERSION PROGRAM IN WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO DIVERSITY PEOPLE FROM HOMELESSNESS. AND THEN HAVEN FOR HOPE HAS A SHALLOW SUBSIDY PROGRAM THAT HAS A SIMILAR FUNCTION. BOTH OF THOSE INTERVENTIONS SERVE OUR CURRENT CAPACITY OF OVER 5100 HOUSEHOLDS ANNUALLY THAT WE SERVE. ALTHOUGH NOT IN THAT CAPACITY CALCULATION, WE DO THINK THAT HOUSING VOUCHERS, WHICH PROVIDE AN EARLY CONNECTION TO RENTAL SUBSIDY, IS AN IMPORTANT STRATEGIC CONSIDERATION MOVING FORWARD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR SECOND FOCUS AREA OF GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, THERE'S PROBABLY THE MOST OF THE INTERVENTIONS FALL INTO THIS BUCKET. STREET OUTREACH, WHICH I HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THE SYSTEM-WIDE STREET OUTREACH WORKERS ARE GOING OUT ON THE STREETS, CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE, TRYING TO GET THEM INTO SHELTER, HOUSING, AND SERVICES. SITE ABATEMENT IS THE BALANCE THAT WE PROVIDE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS HEALTH AND SAFETY NEEDS OF PEOPLE LIVING IN ENCAMPMENTS AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AROUND THEM.

AT THE SAME TIME, TRYING TO ENGAGE PEOPLE INTO HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICES AND CARE.

OUR DAY CENTER IS A SAFE PLACE WITH BASIC SERVICES AND RESOURCES.

THE LARGEST ACTIVITY IS OPERATED BY CORAZON MINISTRIES.

MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT IS REALLY A THROUGH-PUT THROUGH ALL OF THESE INTERVENTIONS.

WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE ON THE STREET AND IN ENCAMPMENTS THE NEED TO ACCESS MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT ON THE SPOT FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE. AND EMERGENCY SHELTER CONTINUES TO BE A VIABLE INTERVENTION TO BE ABLE TO, AS YOU'RE ENGAGING PEOPLE OFF THE STREET, TO GET THEM INTO A FIRST PLACE OR A SHELTER BED TO START THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WITH THEM. OUR CURRENT SYSTEM CAPACITY IN THIS FOCUS AREA IS 2700 SHELTER BEDS. OVER 13 NONPROFIT AGENCIES THAT INCLUDE HAVEN FOR HOPE, SAM, CROSSPOINT AND OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. OUR THIRD FOCUS AREA IS KEEPING PEOPLE IN HOUSING. SO THIS IS REALLY, ONCE PEOPLE ARE IN SHELTER, HOW DO WE BEGIN TO IDENTIFY THE NEXT PHASE OF HOUSING FOR THEM? THIS COULD BE INTERIM HOUSING, WHICH WE DEFINE AS TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND RAPID REHOUSING ASSISTANCE. THE HOUSING VOUCHERS THAT ASSIST US IN THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE BUT AS I WAS SHARING ALSO WITH THE MAYOR, IT ALSO HELPS US ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE. PROJECT BASE VOUCHERS ARE CRITICAL IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF BUILDING OUT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, THOSE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE COMMONS AT ACEQUIA TRAILS SAW WHERE THE UTILIZATION OF 88 VOUCHERS FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HELPED GET THAT PROJECT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE .

FINALLY, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WHICH IS LONG-TERM HOUSING WITH WRAPAROUND SERVICES BUT SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE DISABLED AND UNABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES LONG TERM. I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE BREAKOUT OF THE CURRENT CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM OF 5991 HOUSEHOLDS. THE BREAKOUT IS TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

ACCORDING TO THE HOMELESS INVENTORY COUNT, 335 UNITS OF THAT AVAILABLE.

RAPID REHOUSING, WE HAVE 974 UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. VOUCHERS REPRESENT THE MOST, WHICH IS 3,508 VOUCHERS, SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. AND WITHIN THAT NUMBER IS 1200 VASH VOUCHERS.

FINALLY, OUR PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING CAPACITY IS 1174.

FINALLY, WE PUT IN INVESTMENTS FOR HOMELESSNESS THAT THE CITY PROVIDES, IN

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$19.8 MILLION IN THE BUCKET FOR GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS.

$6.7 MILLION IN KEEPING PEOPLE IN HOUSING. THIS CANNOT BE AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THIS TO BE A CITY-ONLY FUNDED OR IMPLEMENTED FRAMEWORK.

THE PARTNERS LISTED HERE ARE VITAL TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ANY PROACTIVE SYSTEM IMPROVEMENT THAT WE IDENTIFY AND IMPLEMENT. BUT THERE ARE FUTURE PARTNERS THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE THAT ARE NOT ON THIS SLIDE.

FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. MORE FROM THE HEALTHCARE SECTOR, FAITH-BASED COMMUNITIES AND OTHERS ARE MISSING. THESE SYSTEMS ARE IMPACTED BY HOMELESSNESS AND OUR GOAL IS TO BRING THIS FRAMEWORK TO THEM AND DETERMINE HOW WE CAN COLLABORATE. TO THAT END, SOME GOOD NEWS. THE GREATER CHAMBER HAS FORMED A TASK FORCE ON HOMELESSNESS. IT'S A FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT THAT LOOKS TO SUNSET IN 2030. THEY'RE LOOKING TO RAISE DOLLARS AND SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT ALIGN WITH THE FRAMEWORK FOCUS.

NAMELY REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS, DECREASING FIRST-TIME HOMELESSNESS, IMPROVING SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF HOMELESSNESS EXPERIENCING ADDICTION.

AND INCREASING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS.

CRITICAL FUNCTIONS. WE HOPE THIS SETS THE PACE FOR OTHER SYSTEMS THAT WANT TO GET INVOLVED AS INVESTORS. WHEN WE CONSIDER THE FIRST FOCUS AREA OF PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, WE ALREADY DID IDENTIFY WHAT THE GAP IS IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE SYSTEM.

WE THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL TO CONSIDER SOME UPSTREAM STRATEGIES AS WE LOOK AT THIS. WHAT PATHWAYS THAT WE ARE CONNECTING TO COMING IN FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE TO THIS AREA TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE WOULD NEED TO DO FURTHER ANALYSIS BUT FROM MY OWN LOOK I CAN SEE WHERE THE CITY'S INVESTMENT IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPECIFICALLY IN DEEPER LEVELS, DEEPER AFFORDABILITY, HAS MADE THE MARKET AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO ACCESS SOME OF WHAT THEY NEED IN THE HOUSING SPACE, BUT HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THAT? BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, I THINK WE'RE SEEING MORE IN DAY IN AND DAY OUT, A CLEAR PATH IN THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SPACE.

I WANT TO THANK JESSIE HIGGINS WHO HAS GONE OUT WITH OUR ENCAMPMENT TEAMS AND OUR OUTREACH TEAMS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OUT THERE.

AND IS BEGINNING TO IDENTIFY SOME PARTNERSHIPS WITHIN THE CITY AND THEN EXTERNALLY THAT WE CAN START TO BUILD ON. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CHILDCARE AND EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AS AN UPSTREAM STRATEGY AS WELL AS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STANDARDIZE CASE MANAGEMENT ACROSS THE PROVIDER NETWORK SO THAT THE PROCESS IS AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE COMING IN TO RECEIVE SERVICE. FINALLY, EXPLORING DONOR-ADVISED FUNDS. THIS IS SOMETHING WE BECAME AWARE OF THAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU WOULD EXPLORE A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PHILANTHROPY PARTNERSHIP TO EXPAND ACCESS TO TENANT-BASED FOR THOSE WHO ARE COST BURDENED IN HOUSING. GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS.

WE IDENTIFIED THE 1327 UNSHELTERED NUMBERS THAT ARE STILL ON THE STREETS TODAY.

WHEN YOU LOOKED AT OUR -- WE HAVE A BED TURNOVER RATE OF 2.4, 2.5 A YEAR.

MEANING A BED TURNS OVER AND SERVES 2.4, 2.5 PEOPLE IN A YEAR.

WE ESTIMATE THE GAP IN THE EMERGENCY SHELTER SPACE TO BE 550 BEDS.

DURING THE WINTER STORM, WE HAD 474 PEOPLE THAT CAME FROM THE STREET INTO A SHELTER. THAT TELLS US THERE'S A GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT NEED DAY CENTER SERVICES. RIGHT NOW THE DAY CENTER THAT CORAZON IS OPERATES IS ABOUT 300. I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON A FACILITY TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY BUT WE WANTED TO IDENTIFY THAT AS A GAP.

HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR GAP IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CONNECTIONS, BOTH IN THE OUTREACH AREA AND THE ABATEMENTS AREAS.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ENHANCED -- WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS NOW WITH TXDOT ON ENHANCED COORDINATION AROUND ABATEMENTS AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. I THINK THE STRATEGIES PART OF THIS PROBABLY IS THE MOST AREA THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, INITIALLY.

PART OF OUR STRATEGY NEEDS TO CONSIDER ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING WITH A FOCUS. I KNOW THAT DISTRICT 2 HAS A CCR THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED WHILE THE COUNCILMAN WAS ON PARENTAL LEAVE BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT CLOSELY.

BUT WE THINK MODELS FROM HOUSTON AND MODELS FROM OKLAHOMA CITY CAN GIVE US

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WE THINK OUTREACH RESTRUCTURING TO MAXIMIZE CONNECTION TO MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES MAKES SENSE TO US. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE THREE CLINICIANS WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON OUR TEAM, HOW ARE WE BETTER UTILIZING THAT. WHEN I FIRST STARTED IN THIS DEPARTMENT, I MET WITH EACH ONE OF THE TEAMS OUT AT CLAUDE BLACK AND THIS TEAM SAID WE'RE NOT UTILIZING THE CLINICIANS WE HAVE IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE.

I WOULD SAY HOW CAN WE ALSO BETTER UTILIZE THE ENTIRE BREADTH OF OUTREACH CAPACITY WE HAVE IN THE WHOLE SYSTEM. HOW CAN WE BE MORE STRATEGIC? WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF RECURRENT ABATEMENTS THAT GO ON WITHIN A YEAR, CAN THAT BE A TARGET POINT FOR US TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT UTILIZING OUR RESOURCES? AND WE WOULD NEED MORE OUTREACH CAPACITY IN THOSE STRATEGIC AREAS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. HOW DO WE BEGIN TO DO THAT? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT BUT I'M INTERESTED IN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL. WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT CONNECTION.

NOT ONLY WITH READY TO WORK BUT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A DAY WORK PROGRAM, ALSO PART OF THE CCR. WE LOOKED AT THE DENVER DAY WORK PROGRAM.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT A FEW OTHERS IN AUSTIN AND ALBUQUERQUE.

BUT MY OWN EXPERIENCE AT MY TIME FOR HAVEN FOR HOPE TOLD ME, HELPED ME UNDERSTAND THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CHRONICALLY HOMELESS FOR A WHILE THAT ARE NOW IN SHELTER, THAT A DAY WORK PROGRAM COULD BE A VIABLE OPTION FOR THEM AS THEY ARE JUST CONSIDERING EMPLOYMENT AGAIN. AND THE NEED FOR INCOME.

BEFORE MAYBE THAT THEY WOULD BE READY FOR SOMETHING LIKE READY TO WORK.

I COULD SEE READY TO WORK BEING MORE EFFECTIVE ON THE PREVENTION SIDE BECAUSE IT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO THE SYSTEM FOR THE FIRST TIME MAY HAVE JUST LOST A JOB. AND I THINK WOULD BE BETTER QUALIFIED TO WANT TO CONNECT WITH READY TO WORK OR BE MORE INTERESTED. WE NEED TO CONSIDER LEVERAGING CITY BOND PROGRAMS. WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION AROUND TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AND PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. NHSD HOSTED BOND STAKEHOLDER SESSIONS LAST SUMMER AND THE NEED FOR A TRANSITIONAL BRIDGE IN SHELTER CAPACITY CAME UP.

WE SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A JAIL DIVERSION CENTER AND IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED RECENTLY AT LOWER RIDGE, WE DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE NEED FOR INCREASING CAPACITY FOR PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL BEDS. THIS IS A BIG HIT FOR US IN THE COMMUNITY. WE TALKED ABOUT THE 609 FOLKS RETURNING TO HOMELESSNESS. WE ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 866 CURRENTLY UNSHELTERED, PART OF THE 1327 THAT NEED HOUSING.

SO WE'RE SHOWING A GAP OF 728 UNITS OF INTERIM HOUSING THAT'S BOTH TRANSITIONAL AND RAPID. MORE VOUCHERS, SPECIFICALLY 283 VOUCHERS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE AND WE WOULD UTILIZE. AND THEN 464 PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNITS. THIS NUMBER ALIGNS WELL WITH THE SHIP WHICH STILL SHOWS US WITH A NEED FOR 500 IN THE COMMUNITY. I LIKE SEEING THAT OUR ANALYSIS HAS A SIMILAR NUMBER. STRATEGIES TO THIS END IS HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE FUTURE CITY BONDS, BUT WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH OUR HOUSING AUTHORITIES ON THE VOUCHER SIDE, LOOK AT CREATIVE FUNDING TOOLS, LIKE WE DID IN PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. YOU KNOW, UTILIZING PROJECT-BASED VOUCHERS, LIHTC, EQUITY, ARE THERE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE COULD UTILIZE TO BUILD OUT THE CAPACITY WE NEED IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, ESPECIALLY IF BOND DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE USED. I'M THINKING OF VERONICA'S COMMENT OF FOR EVERY BOND DOLLAR WE ARE ABLE TO LEVERAGE 7.

HOW CAN WE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THIS SPACE? WE THINK THE EXPLORATION OF DONOR ADVICE FUNDS MAKES SENSE. OUR FRAMEWORK IDENTIFIES THREE AREAS: PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, KEEPING PEOPLE IN HOUSING. WE SHOW YOU OUR CAPACITY AND WE SHOW YOU WHAT OUR GAP IS.

NEXT STEP FOR US IS WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT ANY FEEDBACK WE GET FROM THE B SESSION TODAY. WE WANT TO FACILITATE THESE WORK SESSIONS IN THE SUMMERTIME WITH THE PARTNERS THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND SOME THAT ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN HERE. AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK IN AUGUST FOR A FINAL FRAMEWORK PLAN THAT I WOULD PRESENT AS PART OF MY BUDGET PRESENTATION IN AUGUST.

THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MAYOR JONES: TH THANK YOU, MARK, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR THE RIDE ALONG. TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH

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SO THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR ME IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOUR DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE AND BE PROTECTED FROM ANY FUNDING CUTS IN LIGHT OF HOW MUCH YOU ALREADY DO WITH SO LITTLE. IF I MAY, THIS IS A REALLY HELPFUL SNAPSHOT IN TIME.

AND I THINK IT IS HELPFUL THAT WE JUST HAD THE BOND DISCUSSION SO WE CAN TAKE A LONGER TIME HORIZON OUTLOOK ON THIS. WHAT WOULD HELP ME -- AND MAYBE ALSO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES -- IS WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? WHAT DOES THE POPULATION -- WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE POPULATION LOOKING LIKE AT THE END OF 2032, 2031 SO THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR BOND DELIBERATIONS. HELP US KNOW WHERE YOU THINK THIS DEMAND IS GOING TO GO SO WE'RE NOT -- SO WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

I SEE KATIE IN THE BACK WHO HAS SHARED THIS STAT WITH ME, WHICH IS A $100 INCREASE IN THE RENT IN OUR COMMUNITY LEADS TO A 90% INCREASE IN THE UNHOUSED POPULATION .

IS THAT STILL ACCURATE, KATIE OR MARK? WHAT IT DOES IS SPEAK TO THE

FRAGILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> YES. WE LOVE THAT STATISTIC BECAUSE IT REALLY PAINTS A PICTURE. THAT WAS A NATIONAL STATISTIC SO WE CAN CHECK AND SEE WHERE WE ARE NOW. BUT THAT'S PART OF OUR PARTNERSHIP IS THAT WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW ON A FIVE-YEAR STRATEGY WITH SOME OBJECTIVES AND KEY RESULTS THAT WE'LL BE MONITORING. SO THE GAPS ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN DONE IS A FOUNDATION FOR THAT BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME PREDICTIVE ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE DOING. AT THE STATE OF HOMELESSNESS IN AUGUST WE'LL DO KIND OF A FIVE-YEAR REFLECTION, WHAT THINGS WILL LOOK LIKE IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION, AND SET OURSELVES UP FOR LAUNCHING A FIVE-YEAR STRATEGY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY

AND OTHER PARTNERS. >> MAYOR JONES: THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL HAVE THAT TO INFORM OUR BOND DELIBERATIONS.

MARK YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD WITH THE LOSS IN CRITICAL RESOURCES AS WELL AS THE FEDERAL CHANGES ALLOWING FOR MORE FOLKS TO BECOME UNHOUSED.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE TAKING A LONGER LOOK AT THIS ISSUE.

WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL -- AND THE STAFF THAT I APPRECIATE FROM OUR PRE-BRIEF AND YOU SHARED IT HERE AGAIN, IS ONE BED SERVES 2.4 PEOPLE A YEAR.

IS THAT AN AVERAGE STATISTIC --A STATISTIC THAT WE SEE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES? ARE WE ON THE LOWER END, HIGHER END? HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT

STATISTIC. >> I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY IN THE MIDDLE RANGE, MAYOR.

I THINK WE'LL GO BACK AND WE'LL EVALUATE THAT. I GOT THAT FEEDBACK FROM YOU IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE RAISE THAT FROM 2.4 TO 5. I THINK SOME OF THAT IS IN SHELTER OPERATION ITSELF. OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S AN AMPLE AMOUNT OF HOUSING AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES AVAILABLE, PEOPLE COULD MOVE THROUGH THE SHELTER SYSTEM

FASTER BUT WE WILL DO THAT ANALYSIS. >> MAYOR JONES: I APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STAT IS BUT IF WE WANTED TO MOVE THAT METRIC, WHAT DOES IT MEAN IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MORE HOUSING WE NEED FOR PEOPLE TO GO INTO AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO GET THEM INTO THAT BED IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU KNOW, WHAT ASSUMPTIONS -- AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT BUT IF WE WANTED THAT TO BE FIVE PEOPLE A YEAR, WHAT HELPS US GET THERE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS AND RELATED ALSO TO OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, AS MUCH OTHER MONEY THAT WE CAN TAP INTO I THINK IS SUPER HELPFUL SO YOUR GAP ANALYSIS OF THE VOUCHERS WE NEED TODAY APPRECIATE THAT.

DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MANY OF THOSE VOUCHERS WOULD HELP VETERANS IN PARTICULAR? I SAY THAT, HAVING, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY GONE TO THE HAVEN FOR HOPE BUT ALSO THE HOTEL DOWNTOWN, UNDERSTANDING A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THOSE FOLKS ARE VETERANS. BUT THEN THEY CAN ALSO EASILY TAP INTO OTHER RESOURCES. SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE VOUCHER GAP, HOW MUCH OF THAT COULD BE -- SOMEBODY COULD QUALIFY FOR A VASH VOUCHER OR SOMETHING ELSE. WHAT IT DOES IS LEND ITSELF TO A MORE TARGETED APPROACH IN HOW WE INCREASE OUR SUPPLY OF VOUCHERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. >> CARMONA: MAYOR, I WAS STRUCK BY YOUR COMMENT TO ME WHEN WE WENT ON THE RIDE ALONG OF HOW THE CITY OF JOSE HAS 200 MORE VOUCHERS WE DO AND THEY'RE HALF OUR SIZE.

WHEN WE LOOKED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHAT WE LEARNED, SPECIFICALLY ON THE

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BUT IF THEY ALLOCATED MORE VASH VOUCHERS WITHOUT CASE MANAGEMENT, WE WOULD, WORKING WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE ENDEAVORS, COULD PROVIDE THE CASE MANAGEMENT HERE LOCALLY. THAT'S A STRATEGY FOR US TO PURSUE AND SEE.

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN GETTING THE VOUCHER. WHAT WE'RE FINDING, ESPECIALLY ON THE HOMELESSNESS SIDE IS WE HAVE A HOMELESS VETERAN THAT HAS A VASH VOUCHER, WE DON'T HAVE TROUBLE FINDING THEM HOUSING.

USUALY, IT'S HOUSING WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE. NOT TO GO THERE.

BUT I'M SAYING HOW DO WE GET THE RESOURCE HERE AND HOW DO WE LEVERAGE LOCAL CASE

MANAGEMENT RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO CARRY THAT OUT. >> MAYOR JONES: I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN MEZA GONZALEZ HAS TALKED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GET MORE VOUCHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU ALSO -- I APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENTS DURING OUR PREBRIEF. THE OTHER COMMUNITY THAT NEEDS A TARGETED APPROACH ARE OUR FOSTER KIDS. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CURRENT APPROACH IS, WHAT THE STRATEGY LOOKS LIKE, HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, GIVEN THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF THAT COMMUNITY AND THEIR

OVERREPRESENTATION IN OUR UNHOUSED? >> CARMONA: I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS COME TO MIND. DHS HOSTED -- I THINK IT WAS MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHO HOSTED IT. KIND OF A LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT NEEDS OF YOUTH. WHAT GREW OUT OF THAT WAS A SPECIFIC FOCUS ON FOSTER CARE THAT WAS PICKED UP BY THE HOUSING TRUST AND OTHERS THAT BROUGHT IN HOUSING DEVELOPERS, FOSTER CARE YOUTH THEMSELVES, AND AGENCIES. AND I THINK THAT'S RESULTED IN THE HOUSING TRUST HAVING A PROJECT NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND SOME OTHER INITIATIVES UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE'RE LEARNING A LOT IN TERMS OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S A GROWING NEED. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH -- I KNOW IT'S CALLED FYI, AND I THINK IT'S FOSTERING YOUTH TOWARDS INDEPENDENCE, BUT THOSE VOUCHERS ARE AVAILABLE. WE RECENTLY WAS IN A CONVERSATION WITH THE STATEWIDE DIRECTOR AROUND THIS. I THINK THERE'S SOME SYSTEM INTERVENTION, LEVERAGE OPPORTUNITIES AROUND THE SPECIFIC POPULATION.

IT'S GROWING IN ITS IMPORTANCE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

AND THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS A REAL SPECIFIC FOCUS ON FOSTER CARE YOUTH SO I THINK THOSE THINGS LINE UP IN OUR FAVOR TO HELP US LEVERAGE WHAT INVESTMENT WE'RE

PUTTING LOCALLY TO GET MORE. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. I'LL SPECIFICALLY BE LOOKING THAT IN YOUR BRIEFING, YOUR BUDGET BRIEFING, YOUR TARGETED APPROACH FOR FOSTER KIDS, FOR VETERANS, AND THEN FOR SENIORS. WHEN I WAS AT HAVEN FOR HOPE I ASKED HIM WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POPULATION THEY SERVE TODAY AND THE POPULATION THEY SERVED FIVE YEARS AGO AND THEY SAID THIS POPULATION IS OLDER AND THEY HAVE MORE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS. I APPRECIATE YOUR FOCUS ON THAT. AND OF COURSE ASK FOR RESOURCES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO ASKED MARK TO PROVIDE IS A BETTER PICTURE OF THE TRUE FRAGILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS ARE UNHOUSED AND AT HAVEN FOR HOPE AND SOME OF THESE OTHER PROVIDERS.

BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LIVING KIND OF IN THE HOTELS.

BY WEEK OR BY MONTH. I THINK THAT GIVES US A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE LIKELY TO SEE UNHOUSED FOLKS OR THOSE ENTERING THE UNHOUSED COMMUNITY.

AS MUCH AS YOU CAN HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT POPULATION LOOKS LIKE AND RECOGNIZING THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE ALREADY PAYING QUITE A BIT FOR THAT HOUSING.

THERE IS THE EXCEPTION THAT FOLKS LIVING IN THOSE HOTELS, IF THEY STAY THERE FOR 30 DAYS OR LONGER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE VISITOR TAX.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CAMPAIGN THAT HELPS PEOPLE ENSURE THAT THEY SHOULD AND THEY KNOW ABOUT THAT EXEMPTION AND THEY ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT.

AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

I WELCOME A PUBLIC INFORMATION CAMPAIGN THAT HELPS US DO THAT.

AND THEN LASTLY, THERE'S SOME GREAT RESEARCH DONE AND I THINK THE HOUSING HUDDLE SAW THIS FROM TEXAS HOUSERS. THE REAL CONCERN THAT SOME OF THOSE WITH THE HIGHEST RATES OF EVICTION ARE IN FACT THOSE THAT ARE RECEIVING PUBLIC FINANCING TAX EXEMPTIONS OR OPERATING THE INCOME-RESTRICTED FACILITIES, WHICH OF COURSE SUPPORT OUR LOW-INCOME RENTERS. SO ARE THERE KIND OF SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS AROUND POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT YOU ALL THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT ARE RECEIVING OUR INCENTIVES ARE NOT ALSO IN

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FACT SOME OF THE HIGHEST EVICTING IN OUR COMMUNITY? >> CARMONA: I THINK IT STARTS WITH DATA AND DATA ANALYSIS. I THINK IT STARTS WITH WHO IS RECEIVING THAT SERVICE, BREAK DOWN THOSE POPULATIONS, UNDERSTANDING WHO IT IS TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE ANY POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD MAKE TO COUNCIL OR ANY KIND OF FORM. I THINK LOOKING AT SOME OF THE STUDIES YOU HAVE REFERENCED AND THEN CROSS REFERENCING THAT THAT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO DIG DEEPER, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE BUT IT MAY INFORM SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS.

THE STAFF THAT YOU GOT -- I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO THE BUDGET CONVERSATION BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU NEED, NOT ONLY AS A NEW DEPARTMENT BUT ALSO, THE VERY HELPFUL CONVERSATION I HAD WITH YOUR STAFF IN TERMS OF THE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS ON YOUR TEAM THAT ALLOW THEM TO DO THE WORK THAT HELPS WITH EITHER THE OUTREACH OR CONNECTING THEM TO OTHER RESOURCES.

CAN YOU SPEND A MINUTE ON THAT TO LEVEL SET? THANK YOU.

>> CARMONA: YEAH. I WOULD SAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN ITSELF, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO REALLY BE ABLE TO ACCESS, IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, THE MENTAL HEALTH AND TREATMENT AND SUBSTANCE USE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE, EITHER FROM A CAPACITY SIDE OR TREATMENT SERVICE DIRECT SIDE. CASE MANAGEMENT I THINK CONTINUES TO BE AN ONGOING FUNCTION THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

FINALLY, MAYOR, IN THE ROLE THAT THE CITY MANAGER LAID OUT FOR US FOR THIS DEPARTMENT ON THE STRATEGY SIDE, HOW ARE WE ABLE TO ASSESS, EVALUATE THROUGH DATA AND POLICY SUPPORT, HOW WE'RE DOING. IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO DROP A SET AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS AND WE PUSH THAT BUTTON, WHAT'S THE RIPPLE EFFECT THAT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS THE REST OF THE INTERVENTIONS AND THE SYSTEM ITSELF. THOSE ARE JUST INITIAL THINGS THAT WE'LL LOOK AT WHEN WE HAVE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ.

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, ALL.

EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATES IN THIS, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO.

BEYOND THE PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE TODAY, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLK ON THE STREETS RIGHT NOW AND ARE PARTICIPATING IN SOME WAY WHO ARE EMPLOYED AND PLAY A ROLE IN THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU ALL. I KNOW THIS IS VERY EMOTIONAL, DIFFICULT, AND CHALLENGING WORK THAT FEELS LIKE -- IT FEELS NEVER ENDING. I WANT TO EXTEND THAT APPRECIATION AND GRATITUDE, VERBALLY. LAST YEAR, AS YOU MENTIONED, FORMER COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO WORKED WITH MY OFFICE TO FILE A DAY LABOR PROGRAM, TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE INELIGIBLE FOR EXISTING LOW-BARRIER SHELTERS.

AND THIRD A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT OF THESE VARIOUS STRATEGIES. EVALUATING ALLOCATIONS TO OUR PARTNER AGENCIES, RENTAL ASSISTANCE OR EVICTION PREVENTION, POST-EVICTION HOUSING ASSISTANCE, AND HOMELESS PREVENTION AND DIVERSION FUNDS AND ENCAMPMENT ABATEMENTS. THAT ROI WOULD ADVISE WHICH HAVE THESE ARE GETTING PEOPLE HOUSED AND REDUCING HOMELESSNESS IN A WAY THAT IS WORTH OUR INVESTMENT SO THAT WE MAY PRIORITIZE OUR DOLLARS BASED ON DATA. THIS WAS A REQUEST THAT WAS BUILT ALONGSIDE OUTREACH WORKERS INCLUDING CITY EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING LEO'S EXPERIENCE WITH THE THRIVE YOUTH CENTER. I WOULD REQUEST THE INFORMATION REQUESTED IN THE CCR BE HEARD AND PRESENTED IN A B SESSION, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS FILED EIGHT MONTHS AGO. I APPRECIATE SOME OF THAT WAS JUST SHARED HERE TODAY. I AM HAPPY TO SEE THE DAY WORK PROGRAM MENTIONED AS A STRATEGY, IN ADDITION TO INCREASED SHELTER CAPACITY THROUGH OUR BOND PROGRAM AND OTHER LEVERAGED FUNDS BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE KINDS OF SHELTER THAT DON'T EXIST TODAY. THE KINDS OF SHELTER THAT WOULD GET PEOPLE TO SAY YES TO GETTING OFF THE STREET AND GETTING HOUSED AND TO ACCEPT SERVICES.

AND I THINK THE LAST COMPONENT THAT'S MISSING IN THIS REQUEST IS THE ANALYSIS ON THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. OUR DOLLARS ARE THIN, AS I JUST MENTIONED AND AS WE HAVE HEARD FOR THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS AND MONTHS. AS WE MAKE INVESTMENTS, THE SPIRIT OF THIS CCR WAS TO HAVE CLEAR DATA TO INFORM THE ACTIONS AND STRATEGIES THAT WE ACTIVELY PURSUE AND WHY. AND USING THE ENCAMPMENT

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IS THERE VALUE TO THE ENCAMPMENT ABATEMENT THAT I'M NOT SEEING? AND I WOULD PROBABLY HYPOTHESIZE THE ANSWER IS NO, WHICH IS WHY I SUPPORT THE MOVE TOWARDS A NEW STRATEGY, WHICH IS THE DECOMMISSIONING.

WOULD YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE THAT STRATEGY FOR US? >> CARMONA: SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING, COUNCILMAN I THINK I'LL REFERENCE THE HOUSTON MODEL.

SO LOOKING AT A HOUSING SURGE, THEY LOOK AT FIRST -- WELL, IT'S A TWO TO THREE-MONTH PROCESS WHERE THEY'RE ENGAGING WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OUTREACH WORKERS. THEN BASED OFF OF THAT, THEY HAVE A HOUSING SURGE WHERE THEY IDENTIFY HOUSING FOR FOLKS THAT ARE IN ENCAMPMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT PERCENTAGE BUT A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE IN ENCAMPMENTS TODAY WOULD SAY YES TO HOUSING IF IT WAS MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM.

I THINK THE FINAL PIECE OF IT WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO ACCESS AND UTILIZE THE MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT SERVICES TO GET PEOPLE BECAUSE UNLESS YOU ARE WORKING THAT ENCAMPMENT ON A REGULAR BASIS, YOU HAVE TO BUILD OUT SOME OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. I THINK DOING THAT IN A SYSTEMATIC WAY SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN THAT MODEL. IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING BUSINESS. IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF APPROACHING ENCAMPMENTS.

BUT I THINK IF WE'RE LOOKING AT DECOMMISSIONING IN SOME OF THESE AREAS THAT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN ENCAMPMENTS, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SEE OUT OF THIS NEW APPROACH IS THAT -- OR WHAT I HOPE THAT WE ADDRESS IS CURRENTLY WE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ENCAMPMENT SWEEPS AND WHAT WE SEE HAPPEN IS THE FOLK GO OUT THERE, THEY CLEAR THE ENCAMPMENT. TWO HOURS LATER IT'S BACK. AND SO WE'RE SPENDING THIS MONEY AND WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY RETURN ON INVESTMENT. ALL WE'RE DOING IS ERODING TRUST. THEY SEE CITY EMPLOYEES COMING AND THEY IMMEDIATELY DO NOT TRUST THEM. SO HOW DO WE MAKE THE JOB OF OUR OUTREACH WORKERS A LITTLE BIT EASIER? HOW DO WE MAKE IT MORE LIKELY THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO SEE A CITY EMBLEM AND SAY, OKAY. I CAN GET HELP HERE VERSUS, HEY, THIS IS AN ENTITY THAT HAS ROUTINELY CAUSED HARM. MADE IT HARDER FOR ME TO LIVE. I HAVE TO BEAR THE ENVIRONMENT, WHETHER THAT MEANS BEING RAINED ON OR IT MEANS LIVING IN DRAINAGE CHANNELS.

THEY'RE EXPERIENCING TRAUMA OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THIS IS AN APPROACH THAT I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED US TO RECONSIDER AS A COUNCIL AND AS A BODY AND AS AN ORGANIZATION AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS A STEP IN THAT

DIRECTION. THANK YOU. >> WALSH: MAYOR? COUNCILMAN, THE BROADER PLAN MARK LAID OUT -- AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE CITY -- AN INVESTMENT IN THE FILLING OF GAPS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE. AND SO THOSE FOLKS THAT WE INCONVENIENCE IN TERMS OF AN ENCAMPMENT, WE NEED A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.

AND WE HAVE A GAP IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. AND SO THE STRUGGLE HERE IS THAT -- AND YOU ALL HEAR IT TOO. WE'LL HEAR IT DURING THE BUDGET, I'M SURE. WE HAVE FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE -- IS PART OF THIS PLAN IS MAKING SURE THIS PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE PLAN AS WELL.

WHAT MARK JUST LAID OUT. THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE PUBLIC THAT JUST WANTS TO CALL 311 TO ELIMINATE AN ENCAMPMENT. AND SO MAKING SURE THAT WHAT MARK'S LAYING OUT TO YOU ALL IS COMMUNICATED TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW WE SOLVE IS GOING TO BE KEY BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT WANT IMMEDIATE REACTION.

THEY WANT SOMETHING DONE AS QUICK AS YOU CAN ORDER IT ONLINE.

AND I THINK WE'LL GET THERE BUT I THINK IT'S A CONSTANT BALANCE.

THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS OF THIS, IN TERMS OF SPACE AND ADDITIONAL HOUSING AND FACILITIES AND SUPPORT THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THAT. YOUR ASK OF THAT HASN'T FALLEN ON DEAF EARS BUT I

FEEL LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO ENDS OF THE STICK HERE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I HEAR

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IT TAKES SAYING, HEY, WE CAN DO THIS OR THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SPENDING TO DO THESE ROUTINE ABATEMENTS THAT AREN'T RESULTING IN ANY SORT OF POSITIVE -- NO POSITIVE CHANGE, WE CAN INVEST THOSE DOLLARS IN THE OUTREACH WE'RE DOING SO THEY WILL ACCEPT SERVICES SO THAT THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT YOU SEE AREN'T SO LARGE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. THEY'RE NOT SO LARGE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AND EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GONE LONG TERM.

THAT NEEDS TO BE THE COMMUNICATION THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH OUR RESIDENTS,

ESPECIALLY AT THESE BUDGET TOWN HALLS. >> WALSH: OKAY.

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I ALSO WANT TO FLAG WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED AGAIN.

WHAT WE NEED -- AND I WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE WERE HAVING LAST WEEK ABOUT CUTS TO OUR BUDGETS AND OVERSPENDING. THIS IS AN AREA WE ARE NOT SPENDING ENOUGH ON AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN, AT THIS POINT.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED AS MUCH ADVOCACY AS POSSIBLE AT OUR UPCOMING BUDGET WORK SESSION, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND IN REAL HONEST CONVERSATION WITH US.

THESE ARE AREAS THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO CUT, THESE HUMAN SERVICES, THE HOMELESS OUTREACH. ALL OF THESE RESOURCES WE CAN'T AFFORD TO CUT THEM AND WE CAN'T AFFORD TO NOT GROW THEM. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER ALDERETE GAVITO.

>> GAVITO: THANK YOU, MARK FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WILL SAY THIS.

DURING OUR BRIEFING YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE, I LEFT FEELING EXTREMELY CONFIDENT IN THE PLAN KNOWING THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE DOING SUCH GREAT WORK. KATIE, YOU HAVE CONTINUOUSLY DONE GREAT WORK.

I FEEL IT JUST FELT MORE FOCUSED, MORE TARGETED. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT PLAY OUT. STRATEGIC STAFFING OF WHERE WE'RE SEEING ISSUES ARISE IS IMPORTANT. I HEAR COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ WHERE -- I HAVE OFTEN SAID CLEANING HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS IS A LITTLE BIT LIKE MARBLES IN A BOX. WE MOVE IT ON ONE SIDE OF BANDERA, IT GOES TO THE OTHER. THERE ARE PROS AND CONS. A PRO THAT WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH IS THAT IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE ENCAMPMENT THEY BECOME PERMANENT FIXTURES WHICH HAS ITS OWN SET OF ISSUES. ALSO, TWO, I WILL SAY THE RESIDENT FEEDBACK WHEN WE CLEAR UP THE ENCAMPMENTS IS A MESSAGE OF GRATITUDE.

THANK YOU. THIS ENCAMPMENT WAS GETTING UNRULY AND PEOPLE WERE DOING ALL SORTS OF STUFF THERE. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S A SILVER-BULLET ANSWER BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE IT ABOUT THE PLAN THAT WE'RE PULLING IN PARTNERS.

HOMELESSNESS DOESN'T FALL ON THE CITY ALONE. WE HAVE HAD OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY TELL US FOR A LONG TIME, AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, IT'S HARD TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES HERE WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY HOMELESS IN A CERTAIN AREA.

I DO THINK BRINGING THEM, THEIR INNOVATIVE STYLE OF THINKING, LOOPING ARMS WITH THEM AND MARCHING FORWARD ON A GOAL TOGETHER IS HELPFUL. THEY CAN PLAY IMPORTANT PARTS IN THE SOLUTION. I AM THANKFUL THAT YOU ALL DID THAT.

AND I WILL OFFER FOR ME, JUST LIKE I MENTIONED TO YOU ALREADY, IF THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU ALL NEED TO LEVERAGE ME OR MY TEAM TO CREATE THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, HAPPY TO. HAPPY TO BE A RESOURCE THERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WAS OUR FOSTER YOUTH.

I KNOW I HAVE BEEN ON THIS ISSUE FOR A WHILE NOW BECAUSE HAVING SERVED ON THE BEXAR COUNTY CHILD WELFARE BOARD YOU SEE THAT WHEN OUR FOSTER CARE KIDS QUOTE, UNQUOTE GRADUATE FROM THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSING THEIR WHOLE LIFE ON SURVIVING, NOT ON THRIVING. SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW HOW TO GET THAT I.D. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THE APARTMENT, THE JOB, LIFE SKILLS. AND SO I KNOW THERE'S A WONDERFUL NONPROFIT IN DISTRICT 7 THAT HELPS THEM GET THOSE LIFE SKILLS AND TRANSITION BUT I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT THAT IS A PLACE TO ALMOST STOP THE BLEED. AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD

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OBVIOUSLY WITH LAUREL RIDGE CLOSING , WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A COORDINATED WAY TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE WE WILL SEE THE IMPACTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IN OUR RESIDENTS. ONE OF THE THINGS, AN AREA THAT WE CAN ALSO HELP WITH IS WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU ABOUT RENTAL ASSISTANCE. MY TEAM OFTEN SEES THE SAME FOLKS COMING BACK TO OUR COUNCIL OFFICES. I'M SURE ALL OF US SEE THIS WITH OUR COUNCIL OFFICES. THE SAME FOLKS COMING BACK FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE AGAIN AND AGAIN. SO I KNOW WE OFFER THE SUGGESTION OF LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE FOLLOW-UP CASE MANAGEMENT TO PREVENT REOCCURRENCE.

MAYBE DO A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW IF THEY HAVE COME BACK TO OUR OFFICE OR EQUIPPING OUR COUNCIL OFFICES WHEN WE ARE SEEING THE RESIDENT COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN ON HOW WE HELP THEM FIND A MORE SUSTAINABLE ANSWER RATHER THAN RETURNING BACK TO US. I HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION ON LEVERAGING OUR FAITH COMMUNITY. CITY CHURCH, A CHURCH IN DISTRICT 7, IS DEFINITELY ON BOARD WITH BEING A PARTNER AND THEY ARE AN AMAZING PARTNER.

AND SO HOWEVER -- GIVE US OUR MARCHING ORDERS TO CONNECT THEM WITH YOU AND -- OR BUILD OUT THAT PARTNER LIST. I THINK ALL OF US PROBABLY HAVE CHURCHES OR ORGANIZATIONS IN EACH OF OUR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS THAT WOULD WANT TO HELP BEING A WILLING AND LONG-TERM PARTNER.

I DEFINITELY KNOW, IN LOOKING AT THE FUNDS GOING TO THIS, THIS CONTINUES TO BE HIGH USAGE OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND WHILE I AGREE, HOMELESSNESS NEEDS FUNDING SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STUCK OUT TO ME THE MOST, AFTER OUR CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WAS HOW EFFECTIVELY Y'ALL PLAN ON USING THESE DOLLARS. YES, IT'S A BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS US INVESTING MORE AND MORE BUT THE PROBLEM GETTING WORSE. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SILVER BULLET PLAN FOR THE PROBLEM TO STOP GETTING WORSE BUT WE HAVE TO TRY NEW THINGS. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW WE KIND OF CHIP AWAY AT THIS TOGETHER. THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN. >> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU.

I'LL START WITH SLIDE 4. WHAT I DON'T SEE HERE IS ANY BREAKDOWN BETWEEN MEN AND

WOMEN IN ANY OF THE SLIDES. DO WE HAVE THAT? >>

>> VIAGRAN: OKAY. I NEED THAT BECAUSE TELLING ME 609 PEOPLE ACCESSED SHELTER BUT RETURNED TO HOMELESSNESS, MY QUESTION IS HOW MANY WERE FOSTER YOUTH, VETERANS, SENIORS? HOW MANY ARE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH, ADDICTION ISSUES, OR JUSTICE INVOLVED? AND THEN, OF COURSE, MEN VERSUS WOMEN IN TERMS OF THAT. I APPRECIATE HOW SUCCINCT YOU WANTED TO BE IN THE PRESENTATION. ALL OF THESE GUIDES ARE GOOD, PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, KEEPING PEOPLE IN HOUSING.

AND I AM MAKING MOVES TO HELP WITH THAT IN TERMS OF BUDGETING AND PRIORITIZING WHAT WE PRIORITIZE IN OUR BUDGET AND HOW WE DO THAT. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I NEED TO KNOW WHO MY AUDIENCE IS. IF THEY'RE MEN OR WOMEN.

I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOODS WHO MY AUDIENCES ARE BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS TELL ME.

THE WOMAN THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, IS GETTING ABUSED BY HER HUSBAND SO SHE'S CONSTANTLY ON THE STREETS. WHEN WE GET THESE NUMBERS, I NEED TO KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP THEM. KATIE, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I KNOW YOU WERE TRI-CHAIR -- NOT TRY-CHAIR, YOU WERE THE CHAIR FOR HOUSING COMMITTEE.

MAKING SURE WE STAYED ON TRACK AND WE DID THAT. AS Y'ALL KNOW, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING I THINK IS THE KEY, THEY HEAR THAT FROM ME ALL THE TIME AT SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST. BUT TRYING TO TAKE THAT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY IS DIFFICULT. I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ THAT OVER

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THE ONE THING MY COMMUNITY, IN TERMS OF ABATEMENTS, WHAT WE TRY AND GET ON TOP OF IS THE LIVING IN THE DITCHES. WE KNOW THE DANGER THAT CAN CAUSE WITH THE FLOODING.

SO THAT'S ONE WHERE IT'S A NON-NEGOTIABLE. THE ONES BEHIND THE PARK OR IN THE WOODED AREA -- AS Y'ALL KNOW ON THE SOUTH AND THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE. THAT ABATEMENT WE'RE LIKE LET'S SEND IN THE COUNSELORS. LET'S HAVE THEM HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

WHO FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GIVING SOMEBODY MONEY. WHO IS WALKING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ASKING FOR DOLLARS? WE TELL THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO STAY THERE AS LONG AS YOU KEEP ON GIVING THEM MONEY TO MOVE ALONG AND STUFF.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE ALONG IF YOU GIVE THEM THAT 20 BUCKS.

SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT -- AND THIS GOES BACK, VERONICA AND MARK, A LITTLE TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE VOUCHER SYSTEM.

IDENTIFYING HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS WE HAVE, HOW MANY UNITS WE HAVE.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT. BUT REALLY IDENTIFYING WHAT HOTELS THAT ARE WORKING AS LOW-BARRIER SHELTERS NEED TO STOP MOVING AS HOTELS.

IT'S NOT, OKAY, YOU CAN'T CHARGE THEM VISITOR TAX BECAUSE -- NO.

IF YOU ARE GOING -- I'M THINKING ABOUT MY MOTELS AND HOTELS DOWN PRESA AND ROOSEVELT, IF YOU ARE GOING TO FUNCTION LIKE THAT, YOU ARE NO LONGER A HOTEL AND YOU NEED TO COME INTO GUIDELINES AND YOU NEED TO FUNCTION AS A HOUSING POSSIBILITY -- A VERY EXPENSIVE ONE, IF YOU'RE CHARGING BY THE WEEK -- OR A LOW-BARRIER SHELTER. THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO DESIGNATE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO -- AND ERIK, WE'LL TALK TO JEFF ABOUT THIS, TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES. IF WE NEED TO GO TO THE STATE AND GET A DESIGNATION FOR THAT OR IF WE NEED TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE HERE TO SAY IF YOU ARE RENTING OUT A SPACE FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS, FOR MORE THAN SIX WEEKS -- BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT'S WHEN THEY GET -- AND I HAVE A LOT OF VETERANS THAT GET THEIR STIPEND AND ARE NOT APPLYING FOR THE VOUCHERS BUT THEY'RE GETTING THEIR DISABILITY. AND YOU ARE LETTING THEM STAY AND THEN JUST CHARGING THEM EXTRA THOSE LAST TWO WEEKS, YOU ARE NO LONGER FUNCTIONING AS A HOTEL. YOU ARE FUNCTIONING AS A LOW-BARRIER SHELTER OR AS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THAT COMES OUT OF A NEW CODE AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU. SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS WE DO THAT.

AND THEN LOOK AT OUR PARTNERS. AND THERE ARE SO MANY OUT THERE. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU THAT ARE HERE.

I KNOW HAVEN FOR HOPE IS IN ONE LOCATION. BUT IF THEY HAVE COUNSELORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT CAN IDENTIFY THESE LOCATIONS THAT ARE FUNCTIONING AS SHELTERS, AS LOW-BARRIER SHELTERS, OR AS A TYPE OF HOUSING, THAT WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND GET THEM THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES THAT THEY NEED OR THE HELP THAT THEY NEED SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM ON A PATH TO MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND GET

THEM ON THAT >> VIAGRAN: I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS PEOPLE WORK AROUND THE SYSTEM, MOTEL OPERATORS, PEOPLE WORK AROUND THE SYSTEM AND NOT -- AND NOT BEING HELD TO THE STANDARDS THAT THE GOVERNMENT, BASICALLY, WANTS THEM TO HOLD TO THE STANDARDS IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE HELP THAT THEY NEED.

SO I REALLY WANT TO LOOK, AS WE LOOK INTO THAT AND WE TALK ABOUT GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, SOMETIMES GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS IS GUIDING THEM OUT OF THOSE MOTELS THAT ARE BASICALLY EXPLOITING THEM.

AND Y'ALL KNOW I CAN TELL ALL SORTS OF TELLS ABOUT THE ONES ON THE SOUTH SIDE. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO -- AS COUNCILMEMBERS DO OUR PART AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TALKING TO OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT PRIORITIZING THEIR -- THEIR NEEDS, THEIR BUDGETS, WHERE -- WHERE THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY IS WHAT THEY VALUE, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO SPEND IT ON THE NECESSITIES AS THEY MOVE

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IT'S THAT CHILD THAT YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO SEND TO COLLEGE THAT IS NOW IN COLLEGE, BUT YOU'RE NOT -- IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO AFFORD IT. IT'S ABOUT THAT MULTIGENERATIONAL HOME WHERE YOU WERE COUNTING ON GRANDMA'S, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL SECURITY AND WE LOST GRANDMA, AND NOW WE DON'T -- WE DON'T HAVE HER THERE, SO SHE CAN'T WATCH THE KIDS. MY CHILDCARE DID THAT.

WE PAID FOR HER FUNERAL EXPENSES, THE DEBT SHE WENT INTO.

THERE ARE JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN MY COMMUNITY AND WITHIN A MULTIGENERATIONAL HOME THAT WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THEM THERE, THAT IF WE DON'T HELP THEM WITH THAT AND GET THEM CONNECTED TO THE PARTNERS, THAT THAT COULD LEAD TO FIRST-TIME HOMELESSNESS, SO I THINK -- I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE THOSE THINGS -- WE ALWAYS USED TO SAY IT WAS ONE ILLNESS AWAY OR ONE JOB LOSS AWAY. BUT NOW, I'M SEEING IN A MULTIGENERATIONAL HOME, IT'S A LOT MORE HOME, IT'S THAT KID THAT GOT THE -- GOT THE -- GOT ACCEPTED INTO UT BUT THE SCHOLARSHIP DOESN'T QUITE COVER ALL OF IT, IT'S THE PARENT THAT HAD TO GO INTO A NURSING HOME FACILITY OR PASSED. IT IS A LOT MORE THINGS THAN THAT.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I WANT TO TAKE THOSE KIND OF UPSTREAM ISSUES AND SEE HOW WE AS COUNCILMEMBERS CAN WORK AND HELP NAVIGATE OUR COMMUNITY THE BEST. SO THIS ISN'T AN EASY FIX.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE PEOPLE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T WORKING AND THIS ISN'T WORKING, BUT MY CHALLENGE IS, YOU KNOW, FIND ME A SOLUTION. FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS, BECAUSE THIS IS -- THIS IS REALITY FOR A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WITHIN THIS NATION AND IN THIS CITY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WHYTE?

>> WHYTE: THANK YOU, MAYOR. MARK, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN ALDARETE GAVITO. I LIKE THE FRAMEWORK. I LIKE THE FRAMEWORK, THE THREE PILLARS. THIS IS -- THIS IS GOOD. YOU KNOW, HOW WE FILL THE GAPS, HOW WE PAY FOR SOME OF THIS, I THINK, IS A REAL QUESTION.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HOMELESS -- OUR HOMELESS PROGRAM OVERALL, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO -- AND REALLY WITH ANY PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE HERE, IS WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE? RIGHT? AND TO ME, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO ELIMINATE ALL HOMELESSNESS, BUT TO GET HOMELESSNESS TO AS LOW A PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION AS POSSIBLE SHOULD BE THE GOAL. SO PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, NUMBER ONE, OF COURSE. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, IF SOMEBODY DOES BECOME HOMELESS, SUCCESS TO ME IS IF WE HAVE YOU KNOW, AN ABLE-BODIED HUMAN BEING, HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET THEM BACK INTO BEING A, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY. TO ME, THAT'S WHAT SUCCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

NOW, THERE ARE GOING TO BE FOLKS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF ISSUE OF SOME TYPE WHERE MAYBE THEY -- THEY NEVER CAN BE THAT.

AND CERTAINLY, WE NEED TO HAVE A SAFETY NET FOR THOSE FOLKS AND THE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING AND THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, I THINK, ARE GREAT THERE. BUT, AGAIN, WHAT IS SUCCESS TO ME IS IF SOMEBODY FALLS INTO HOMELESSNESS, IF WE CAN'T PREVENT IT, RIGHT, WE START THERE. AND THEN THEY FALL INTO HOMELESSNESS, HOW DO WE GET THEM BACK INTO SOCIETY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND SO I THINK YOUR FRAMEWORK HERE SPEAKS TO A LOT OF THAT. YOU KNOW, I JUST -- MY QUICK MATH IS ABOUT $30 MILLION OR SO, IT LOOKS LIKE, IN DIRECT SPENDING HERE IN 2026 FOR THE RESPONSE SYSTEM. BUT THERE'S -- THERE'S GAPS, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. SO 550 BEDS AND 1475 HOUSING UNITS, AND I'M LOOKING AT, I GUESS, SLIDE 10. SO TO CLOSE THE GAPS, THE PLAN IS, WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE OUR PARTNERS, ASK MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY FIND A WAY TO CLOSE THE GAP THERE?

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>> CARMONA: THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN.

AND JUST TO MAKE COMMENT, WE'RE OPERATING UNDER THE AUSPICE OF WHAT WOULD SUCCESS LOOK LIKE. SO I THINK THAT'S A MOTIVATOR FOR US.

BUT WHO OPERATES IN WHAT LANE, I THINK, IS A FIRST STEP FOR US.

>> WHYTE: YEAH. >> CARMONA: SO AS WE'RE TALKING TO THE CHAMBERS, YOU KNOW, THEIR FOCUS IS ON PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS.

THEIR FOCUS IS ON, YOU KNOW, HELPING PEOPLE THAT ARE NEEDING MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT, SO IF THOSE ARE SOME LANES THEY WANT TO TAKE AND THEY WANT TO PUT DOLLARS INTO THAT, THAT CAN BE OUTSIDE OF OUR SYSTEM, WE JUST NEED

EVERYBODY PUSHING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. >> WHYTE: AND I SHOULD MENTION, SINCE, YOU KNOW, YOU BROUGHT UP THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY FOLKS,

JOBS, RIGHT. >> CARMONA: YES. >> WHYTE: CREATING JOBS

NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS PLAN. >> CARMONA: AND I THINK, COUNCILMAN, THAT'S WHY WE TALK SOME ABOUT THE DAY WORK PROGRAM, BY WE CONTEMPLATED THAT CAME FROM THE CCR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO BUILD THEIR CONFIDENCE, MOMENTUM, IN WORKING, TO THEN BE ABLE -- YOU KNOW, TO CONTEMPLATE REA READY TO WORK AS THE NEXT STEP FOR THEM.

BUT, YES, DEFINITELY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR PEOPLE? WHEN YOU LOOK AT HAVEN'S STUDY FOR 15 YEARS PROVIDING SERVICES TO OVER 50,000 PEOPLE, 65% OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WENT THROUGH GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED AND NEVER SHOWED UP IN THE HOMELESSNESS POPULATION AGAIN.

WHAT DOES THAT SERVICE LOOK LIKE? I'M GOING TO BET SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO BE EMPLOYMENT, BUT WE NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING WHAT WE'RE LEARNING FROM THAT AND BUILDING IT ACROSS THE SYSTEM. IF WE NEED A SPRINKLING OF THAT KIND OF SERVICE INTERVENTION TO HELP PREVENT HOMELESSNESS,

THEN WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT DOING THAT. >> WHYTE: YEAH.

ON SLIDE -- MAYBE IT WAS 4, 1327 UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ENGAGED, BUT DIDN'T MOVE INTO A SHELTER. HOW MANY WERE TURNED AWAY BECAUSE OF CAPACITY ISSUES VERSUS HOW MANY ARE JUST DECLINING

SERVICES? >> CARMONA: WE'D HAVE TO FIND OUT, COUNCILMAN.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN FOLLOW-UP ON. WE JUST KNOW THAT WE

ENGAGED OVER 4100. >> WHYTE: YEP. >> CARMONA: 2800 OF THAT NUMBER WE DID ENGAGE INTO SHELTER AND HOUSING, AND LEFT A NET OF 1327.

NOW, WHETHER THAT WAS A CAPACITY ISSUE -- WHICH I DON'T THINK ON THE SHELTER SIDE, OR WHAT THE ISSUES WERE, WE'D HAVE TO FIND THAT OUT.

>> WHYTE: ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT WOULD BE SOME GOOD INFORMATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL TAKE THIS MOMENT TO TALK ABOUT -- YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT WITH COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ ON THE ENCAMPMENT ABATEMENTS. I THINK THAT PROGRAM, WHICH WAS STARTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I THINK NOW, REALLY DOES SERVE A PURPOSE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE GET CALLS TO OUR OFFICE ALL THE TIME ABOUT THESE ENCAMPMENTS SET UP, YOU KNOW, NEAR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THINGS, AND PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY AND OTHER ISSUES, AND SO I THINK THE ENCAMPMENT CLEANUP PROCESS ACTUALLY HAS WORKED REALLY WELL. YES, IT'S TRUE THAT OFTENTIMES, OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE TIME, THE FOLKS COME BACK AND IT HAS TO BE DUNGEON, BUT I DO SUPPORT THAT PROCESS. WHAT I'M TOLD, THOUGH, IS A LOT OF TIMES TO THE POINT I JUST MADE ABOUT ARE PEOPLE DECLINING SERVICES, THEY ARE OFFERED, YOU KNOW, TO GO TO THE LOW-BARRIER SHELTER OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE IN THE ABATEMENT

PROCESS, BUT PEOPLE ARE JUST SAYING NO, RIGHT? >> CARMONA: WELL, I THINK IT'S ALL REALLY ABOUT ENGAGEMENT. I THINK THE MORE THAT YOU CAN HAVE CONSISTENT ENGAGEMENT WITH SOMEONE, I THINK THE MORE YOU CAN BUILD UP A TRUSTING RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT PERSON IN THE ENCAMPMENT, THE BETTER OFF YOU'RE GOING TO BE, THE HIGHER PROBABILITY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO GO TO SHELTER.

AND TO THE COUNCILMAN'S POINT, I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE THINGS LIKE NO-BARRIER SHELTER, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CHRONIC HOMELESS, THAT HAVE HAD SITUATIONS OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT'S CAUSED THEM TO FALL BACK INTO HOMELESSNESS. I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT KIND OF OPTIONS FOR THAT. I MEAN, I'VE GONE OUT ON A FEW ENCAMPMENT ABATEMENTS. FOR SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S I'M WAITING ON SERVICES, FOR OTHERS, I'M WAITING FOR THIS.

WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT 1327 BROKE OUT LOOKS LIKE.

>> WHYTE: YOU SAY NO BARRIER SHELTERS. SO WHAT WOULD YOU SAY -- I HEAR FROM PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT ALL THE TIME, AND THEY LOOK AT LOW-BARRIER SHELTER. AND I ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST YEAR.

THE FOLKS THAT GO TO THE LOW-BARRIER SHELTER, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO RECEIVE ANY WRAPAROUND SERVICES. IS THAT STILL THE CASE,

I'M ASSUMING? >> CARMONA: I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.

I THINK THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING SERVICES AT THE SHELTER.

>> WHYTE: WELL, IF THEY WANT TO. AGAIN, AND I COULD BE WRONG NOW, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE FOLKS AT THE LOW-BARRIER HOTEL DOWNTOWN WERE NOT REQUIRED TO RECEIVE ANY ZERO ADDITIONAL SERVICES. SO I HAD PEOPLE -- AND SO WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT OR A NO-BARRIER SHELTER WHERE I GUESS THEY WOULDN'T BE

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THAT? >> CARMONA: WELL, I WOULD SAY WHEN I THINK ABOUT NO-BARRIER, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF SERVICE PROVISION, I'M THINKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF THERE'S NO BARRIERS FOR

YOU WALKING IN THE DOOR. >> WHYTE: SO WOULD THOSE PEOPLE IN A NO BARRIER

HAVE TO RECEIVE SERVICES. >> CARMONA: THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN START TO ENGAGE PEOPLE. IF THERE'S NO BARRIER WALKING IN THE DOOR, YOU CAN WALK IN, WHO YOU ARE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ON, I'M THINKING OF WHAT I SEE AT CORAZON WHEN I GO THERE, THEY OPERATE PRETTY MUCH AT A NO-BARRIER LEVEL, MEANING ANYONE CAN WALK IN THE DOOR. THEY START TO HAVE BETTER LEVELS OF SUCCESS BECAUSE PEOPLE START TRUSTING THEM AT THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN THEY WALK IN. THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY CONDUCIVE FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO ENGAGE IN SERVICES. IF I WALK IN THE DOOR, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO RECEIVE SERVICES, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A HOT MEAL, TRYING TO SLEEP, TAKE A SHOWER AND WASH MY CLOTHES AND MAKE SURE MY DOG IS WITH ME AND CARED FOR. WE SAW THIS AT HAVEN.

ME. >> WHYTE: WHAT'S THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF TIME

PEOPLE STAY AT THE LOW-BARRIER HOTEL. >> CARMONA: RIGHT NOW I

THINK IT'S AT 100 DAYS. >> WHYTE: AND WHAT IS THE MOST LIKELY DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE TO GO AFTER THEY LEAVE FOR AFTER A HUNDRED DAYS.

>> CARMONA: THEY COULD GO TO A LOT OF OPTIONS. >> WHYTE: DO WE HAVE STATISTICSES ON WHERE PEOPLE MOST END UP AFTER THE LOW-BARRIER SHELTER.

>> CARMONA: WE HAVE SOME STATISTICS ON THAT. >> WHYTE: THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IF YOU COULD FOLLOW UP ON THOSE POINTS THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

COUNCILMAN GALVAN. >> GALVAN: THANK YOU, MARK FOR EU AND YOUR TEAM. [INDISCERNIBLE] OFTEN WORKS WITH FOLKS AND IN DISTRICT SIX ARE NOT ONLY DEALING WITH HOMELESSNESS, WHO ARE CONCERNED WITH HOMELESSNESS AND FOLKS WHO ARE ON THE BRINK OF HOMELESSNESS, AND IT'S THE SAME ISSUE, RIGHT, EACH TIME.

IT'S SOMEONE WHO CAN'T MAKE THE RENT, HAD AN EMERGENCY IN THEIR LIFE, SOMEONE WHO -- SOMETHING JUST SHIFTED IN THEIR LIFE IN SOME FORM OR SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ON THE STREETS FOR A LONG TIME AND IS TRYING TO FIND A WAY OUT. I THINK TO COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN'S POINT, RIGHT, POVERTY IS PERVASIVE WHEN FOLKS ARE STRUGGLING WITH IT.

AND TO YOUR POINT, TOO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LOW-BARRIER SHELTER COMPONENT, FOR SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO READ READJUST BACK INTO A REGULAR LIFE AFTER NOT BEING ABLE TO BRUSH THEIR TEETH EVERY DAY, IT TAKES A WHILE. AS HUMAN BEING IT TAKES A WHILE FOR US TO NEUROLOGICALLY RESET TO THINK BEYOND WHAT'S OUR OWN SURVIVAL NEEDS.

IT'S COMPOUNDED WITH THE HARSH AFFECTS OF WEATHER, SOCIETY, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE THINGS AROUND DRUG ABUSE IN SOME FORM, IT ALL ADDS UP, RIGHT? SO BEING ABLE TO GET TO THAT LAST POINT IS CRITICAL, AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO GET TO MORE EXPANSION OF LOW-BARRIER SHELTER HERE OR NO-BARRIER SHELTER IN OUR CITY. I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT, I KNOW FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE A BUILT OF CONCERN WITH IT, IF AT THE END OF THE D DAY IF WE WANT -- TAXPAYER DOLLARS EACH AND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL TO BE ABLE TO FINALLY HAVE THAT RESET MOMENT, THAT RESET TIME, TO DEAL WITH SERVICES, AND YOU KNOW THIS. BUT IT'S CRITICAL THAT CITY COUNCIL STRIVE TO DO THIS. I KNOW IT'S NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION, BUT IT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT. I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAJOR ONES HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FOLKS THAT DON'T ACCEPT THEIR STRUGGLE TO ACCEPT SERVICE, THAT'S PART OF THE TRUST, RIGHT? SENDING SOMEONE INTO SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY AREN'T ACCEPTED. YEAH.

I'LL STOP THERE. AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DO EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND I THINK -- AUDIO] -- WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL A LOT LASES YEAR, I TALKED TO RESIDENTS ACROSS THE DISTRICT AND ALL SAID, RIGHT, DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR DISTRICT, MARBACH AND 410, MILITARY AND 90, EVEN ALONG AND UNDERNEATH A LOT OF OUR OTHER TXDOT PROPERTIES AND HIGHWAYS FOLKS OFTEN ASKED US, WHAT IS THE STRUGGLE HERE? AND IT WAS TWO THINGS THAT I ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT -- WELL, THREE.

ONE, BEING EVERYTHING WE JUST WORKED OVER. TWO OUR WORKERS ARE

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IF THERE'S NOT THE ACTUAL SYSTEMIC BACK END OF IT, I CONSIDER -- AUDIO] -- HAVE AS MUCH RESOURCES THAT THEY CAN PHYSICALLY CARRY WITH THEM, IF THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THEM TO SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE'RE DOING ALMOST A DISSERVICE. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS FRAMEWORK OF LOOKING AT IT HOLISTICALLY. I KNOW MY RESIDENTS ARE EAGER TO SEE THIS.

I THINK THERE'S A CONTINUED FOCUS HERE AND INTEREST IN HOW WE CAN GET THIS DONE, FRANKLY, IN THE MOST COMPASSIONATE WAY POSSIBLE, I THINK TO COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ'S POINT IS THE CALLS ABOUT MARBACH AND 410, AND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. WHEN THE BOULDERS WERE IMPLEMENTED THERE UNDER TXDOT, IT PUSHED PEOPLE OUT OF IT AND THEY WENT STRAIGHT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND RESIDENTS HAD MIXED RESULTS, I DIDN'T LIKE HAVING IT THERE, BUT NOW THEY'RE NEARBY MY FAMILY.

SAFETY NOW CLOSER TO ME. NOT A GREAT SOLUTION TO HAVE THEM STAY IN THE SAME SPOT BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF BACK AND FORTH THERE.

I APPRECIATE THE LOOK AT COORDINATING TO TXDOT BUT COMING BACK TO CREATING THE LARGER SYSTEMIC SOLUTIONS HERE. ON THAT POINT, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EVALUATION IS FOR LOOKING AT, OF COURSE, HOUSING NEEDS TO BE EVERYWHERE IN DIFFERENT FORMS AND EVERYTHING OF THE SORT ARE WE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD HUBS AS WELL FOR SERVICES BEYOND KIND OF COMING TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA? I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT HOT SPOTS THAT WE'RE SEEING AND SEEING IF THERE'S WAYS WE

CAN CREATE THOSE FOCAL POINTS. >> CARMONA: YEAH, COUNCILMAN. I THINK WE HAVE TO. I'M JUST REMEMBERING THE BRIEFING I DID WITH COUNCILMAN MUNGIA, WE HAVE TO ALSO ENGAGE THE FAITH COMMUNITIES IN THE LOCAL DISTRICTS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH D7 YESTERDAY, THOSE PROBABLY HAVE MORE TRUST AND VALIDITY WITH THE UNHOUSED. MOST OF THE UNHOUSED THAT ARE IN CERTAIN AREAS ARE

PROBABLY AREAS THEY GREW UP IN. >> GALVAN: RIGHT.

>> CARMONA: AND SO THEY KNOW THAT HUB, THEY KNOW THAT LOCATION, THEY'VE KNOWN THE HISTORY OF THAT LOCATION, THEY KNOW THAT CHURCH.

WE -- IT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THE PLAN, THE QUESTION NOW BECOMES -- AND WE'RE STARTING TO WORK WITH A GROUP CALLED GOOD ACRES WHICH IS DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH FAITH COMMUNITY IN HOUSING AND SOME OTHER AREAS BUT WE WANT TO BUILD OUT, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN YESTERDAY WITH THE CHURCH THAT SHE HAS TELLING US IS READY TO GO, HOW DO WE ENGAGE THEM? BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS ALWAYS, WHAT CAN WE DO? BUT MY QUESTION BACK TO THEM IS ALWAYS, HOW LONG

ARE YOU WILLING TO DO IT? >> GALVAN: RIGHT.

>> CARMONA: I THINK THAT'S THE THING. THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH HAS TO CONTEMPLATE OR THE HUB HAS TO CONTEMPLATE IS, THIS ISN'T A ONE OR TWO-YEAR, EVEN THREE-YEAR THING, THIS IS AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. AND I THINK HAVING HONEST CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT DO THEY THINK AS A MISSION OR A CARISM OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WHAT DO THEY WANT. SO, YES, IT'S CONTEMPLATED IN THE THOUGHT. WELCOME IDEAS THAT YOU

WOULD HAVE ON THAT, TOO. >> GALVAN: I THINK IT'S GREAT.

YEAH, I'M EAGER TO SEE THE CONVERSATIONS GO THROUGH LATER THIS YEAR WITH THE REST OF THE FRAMEWORK, THE NEXT STEPS THERE.

EXCITED TO SEE THAT'S GOING TO BE A FOCAL POINT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S CRITICAL, ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK INTO THE FURTHER PARTS OF OUR DISTRICT. FURTHER OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN URBAN CORE, FOLKS DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT THERE. SO GRATEFUL TO SEE THAT AS A PART OF IT AND MAKING SURE HOW WE CAN BRING CITY RESOURCES WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD HUBS WHATEVER THEY MAY LOOK LIKE, WITHIN A CHURCH, A CITY FACILITY, INTERESTED TO SEE HOW WE CAN HAVE OUR RESOURCES ON SITE OR NEARBY. I WAS GOING TO GET A BIT MORE INTO THE AVERAGE WORKERS, THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE PER DISTRICT IS DIFFICULT.

THAT'S OF COURSE HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY DIRECTLY AND THAT'S EXTREMELY GREAT, BUT WHEN IT'S DISTRICT SIX, WHICH IS EXTREMELY LARGE, IT'S TOUGH TO GET TO EACH ZERO PERSON EVERY SINGLE DAY AND CREATE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND ALL THOSE THINGS LIKE THAT.

I WAS WONDERING WITH THAT COORDINATION, MORE SO WITH THE MORE AVERAGE WORKERSES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, IS THERE GOING -- HAVE Y'ALL LOOKED AT A SINGLIZED SYSTEM TO KIND OF REPORT TO AND -- NOT REPORT TO, BUT FOR FOLKS TO REACH OUT TO GET THE SUPPORT THEY NEED IN TERMS OF -- I THINK ABOUT ACS AND THE WAY -- IT'S ALL ONLINE PROGRAMMING BUT THERE'S ONE E-MAIL WE CAN ALL REACH OUT TO AND THEN IT'S FILTERED THROUGH THE PROCESS TO -- CONTEMPLATED SOME OF THOSE IDEAS. I THINK IT'S REALLY A QUESTION IN MY MIND OF HOW DO WE GET TO OUR HOMELESS RESPONSE SYSTEM PARTNERS THAT HAVE CAPACITY AND HOW DO WE BEGIN TO DESIGN IT.

WHAT DO WE THINK BASED ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WITH IT DAILY, I THINK IT SHOULD WORK WITH FROM THE BOTTOM UP. HOW DO WE BUILD OUT THAT SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE -- MEAN, HISTORICALLY, THE CITY HAS USED A GEOGRAPHIC DISTRIBUTION IN DEPLOYMENT. THE QUESTION IS -- YOU KNOW, THAT I POSE TO YOU ALL IS, DOES THAT CONTINUE TO BE EFFECTIVE?

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>> GALVAN: RIGHT. >> CARMONA: OR SHOULD WE LOOK AT -- WHILE STILL MEETING THE NEEDS OF CONSTITUENTS IN YOUR DISTRICT, UTILIZE A MORE STRATEGIC APPROACH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING.

>> GALVAN: YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT CAPACITY THRESHOLD IS SO WE CAN KIND OF UNLOCK IT FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHERE OUR INVESTMENT GOES. I THINK THAT WILL BE THE MOST HELPFUL. IF THAT'S THE THRESH SHOLD WE NEED TO GET TO, LET'S FISH OUT HOW TO GET THERE. IF SOMEONE CALLS 9-1-1 OR 3-1-1 OR THE NONEMERGENCY LINE, IT GOES INTO THE SYSTEM.

>> CARMONA: THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. >> GALVAN: AND, OF COURSE, NEEDING THE REST OF THE SYSTEM CREATED, TOO.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE TOO MANY OTHER QUESTIONS. REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING Y'ALL ARE DOING. YEAH, I'LL STOP THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MEZA GONZALEZ?

>> GONZALEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW, THE HOMELESS RESPONSE PARTNERS, THAT SLIDE ALWAYS GETS ME BECAUSE IT'S JUST A REMINDER, RIGHT, OF HOW MUCH OF THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT, AND IT REALLY DOES TAKE A VILLAGE HERE. AND SO I THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT ABOUT A LOT OF CITY DEPARTMENTS AND THE WORK THAT WE DO WITH OUR NONPROFIT COMMUNITY.

I THINK THERE'S PARTNERSHIPS PRETTY MUCH IN PROBABLY EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THIS CITY. AND TO, I THINK, REMIND OURSELVES OF THAT AS WELL ON COUNCIL IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES HERE MAKING THE DECISIONS OR IDEAS, THERE'S FOLKS OUT THERE DOING THE WORK EVERY DAY THAT WE TALK ABOUT UP HERE, RIGHT, ON THE DAIS.

SO I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE -- WHAT IS IT -- THE SHIP REFRESH AND THE SHELTER IN HOUSING FRAMEWORK, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WORKSHOPS HAPPENING, SO WHERE IS THE COLLABORATION, OR IS THERE A POINT PERSON BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> CARMONA: RIGHT. SO AS CHIEF HOUSING OFFICER, I WORK IN BOTH SPACES, SO I GUESS I'M A POINT OF CONTACT, BUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ANALYSIS ON THE NEED FOR -- THE GAP ANALYSIS ON PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, WE WERE WORKING WITH NHSD AS WE WERE PULLING TOGETHER THE DATA. AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO SEE HOW CLOSELY IT STILL ALIGNED WITH THE NEED THAT WE HAD IN THE SHIP ITSELF.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, COUNCILWOMAN, THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS ARE NATURAL, THEY FIT. IT'S KIND OF WHY -- ONE OF THE REASONS THIS OPPORTUNITY WAS -- WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED MADE SENSE TO ME WAS BECAUSE OF THAT. AND SO, YES, AS THE SHIP REFRESH GOES AND WE LOOK AT -- AND THAT'S WHY I REFERENCED THE HOUSING BOND SESSIONS THAT NHSD DID LAST SUMMER BECAUSE IT IDENTIFIED THOSE ADDITIONAL NEEDS FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING, BRIDGE AND SHELTER. UNHOUSED HAS BEEN A

COMPONENT OF THE SHIP FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. >> GONZALEZ: THANK YOU.

AND ON THE RESPONSE SYSTEM INTERVENTIONS, I THINK, SLIDE 4 OR 5, CAN YOU BREAK DOWN, RIGHT, THOSE -- THE 19.8 MILLION.

JUST BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE HOMELESS HUDDLE AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, IN HUDDLES IS THAT -- I'M SURE EVERYBODY AT THE VERY BEGINNING JUST SAYS, LIKE, WHAT DO WE -- WHAT DO YOU DO BEST? WHO DOES WHAT BEST? AND SO GETTING JUST A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT PARTNERS PLAY A ROLE IN EACH OF THOSE BUCKETS WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO KNOW, RIGHT, WHO DOES THIS WORK BEST OR DOES THE MOST OF IT.

>> CARMONA: LIKE WHO'S IN WHAT LANE, KIND OF THING.

>> GONZALEZ: YEAH, ESSENTIALLY, WHICH I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO ASK THAT QUESTION, TOO, RIGHT? MAKING SURE WE'RE IN THE RIGHT LANES AND THAT HELPS ME JUST BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT PARTNERS

ARE DOING WHAT WORK. >> CARMONA: OKAY. >> GONZALEZ: AND JUST HOW MUCH MONEY OF THE 19.8, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO THE DAY CENTER, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO THE STREET ABATEMENT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> CARMONA: OKAY. >> JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING, COUNCILWOMAN,

THAT'S JUST THE CITY'S INVESTMENT. >> GONZALEZ: YEAH.

VERSUS WHAT? >> WELL, YOU MENTIONED THE DAY CENTER, SO.

>> GONZALEZ: IT'S IN HERE. IT SAYS DAY CENTER.

>> RIGHT, YES. >> CARMONA: WE WILL BREAK OUT THE 30.5 BY LANES IN

THAT 19.8 BUCKET FOR YOU. >> GONZALEZ: AWESOME.

THANK YOU. AND I JUST -- YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT -- I GUESS CAN YOU UNPACK, BEFORE I MAKE THAT STATEMENT, THE GOAL UNDER THE PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, REDUCE THE NUMBER OF NEW HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ANNUALLY THROUGH PREVENTION AND EARLY INTERVENTION SERVICES ENSURING HOMELESSNESS IS RARE. IS THERE -- I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU THINK, HAVE YOU FOUND THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN COSTS BETWEEN THE UPSTREAM PREVENTION PROGRAMS

VERSUS THE SHELTERING AND REHOUSING? >> CARMONA: IT'S MUCH

MORE COST EFFECTIVE. >> GONZALEZ: ON THE FRONT END.

>> CARMONA: YEAH, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO CATCH PEOPLE ON THE FRONT END, YOU PROVIDE RENTAL ASSISTANCE, YOU'RE ABLE TO CONNECT THEM TO AFFORDABLE HOWSESING, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TREATMENT OR CHILDCARE THAT'S MAYBE COVERED BY ANOTHER SYSTEM FUNDING VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TIME IN

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ELSE. >> GONZALEZ: DOWN THE ROAD?

>> CARMONA: MY EXPERIENCE TELLS ME IN ANY SOCIAL SERVING KIND OF SYSTEM APPROACH, PREVENTION IS ALWAYS THE BEST COST EFFECTIVE FUNCTION.

>> GONZALEZ: I'D BE OPEN TO THAT. I MEAN, IF -- IF WE GET THERE AND HOW WE SHIFT DOLLARS MORE TOWARDS THAT.

>> CARMONA: OKAY. >> GONZALEZ: -- FRONT-END, RIGHT, TO MAKE

SURE WE'RE PREVENTING THIS AT ALL COSTS, SO... >> CARMONA: AND COUNCILWOMAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT DATA WE ANALYZED.

AND WE CAN PULL FROM OUR DATA ANALYSIS AND SHARE IT WITH YOU.

GONZALE >> GONZALEZ: THANK YOU. ALSO JUST THOSE THREE FOCUS AREAS, IT'S VERY CLEAR, RIGHT, IN ALL THE STRATEGIES THAT PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OUR BUDGET SIX PLUS SIX LAST WEEK, AND SO IT'S VERY CLEAR THE STRAINS THAT WE'RE UNDER. AND SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS, PHILANTHROPY, OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY ARE INVOLVED IN A REALLY STRATEGIC WAY, RIGHT? YOU MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT -- I THINK IT WAS THAT YOU SAID THE CHAMBER WANTS

TO -- >> CARMONA: YEAH, THE TASK FORCE.

>> GONZALEZ: -- PREVENT HOMELESSNESS, WE ALL WANT TO PREVENT IT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO I'M LOOKING FOR A DEEPER DIVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN FOLKS LIKE THAT COME TOGETHER, A REALLY DEEPER DIVE IN MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER DOLLARS RAISED, WHERE DOES THAT GO REALLY TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. ON THE DONOR ADVISED FUNDS, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF THAT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR OTHER

CITIES HAVE USED? >> CARMONA: THE ONE MODEL THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IS FROM SAN FRANCISCO WHERE THEY'VE UTILIZED THE DONOR ADVISED FUNDS AND IN A LOT OF INTENTS AND PURPOSES, SERVICES A HOUSING VOUCHER IN A

WAY. >> GONZALEZ: IS IT ON THE LANDLORD SIDE OR IS IT FOR THE LANDLORD TO ACCEPT THE VOUCHER OR IS IT ON THE TENANT SIDE --

>> CARMONA: I THINK IT'S STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY, BUT I THINK IT'S DIRECT ASSISTANCE. IT'S A SEPARATE NONPROFIT THAT RUNS IT.

THE CITY'S NOT REALLY INVOLVED YOU HAVE A THIRD-PARTY NONPROFIT THAT OPERATES IT AND GETS THE FUNDS IN TO EITHER THE LANDLORD OR THE

PERSON. >> GONZALEZ: OKAY. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY

QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. >> CARMONA: THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MUNGIA?

>> MUNGIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD JUST SAY TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE STATED EARLIER, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ASK FOLKS TO GET OFF THE STREET AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO HOUSING, YOU CAN SAY YOU CAN ONLY HAVE HOUSING IF YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW X, Y AND Z CONDITIONS.

SO I THINK LOW-BARRIER IS CERTAINLY THE WAY TO GO. I THINK IT DOESN'T DO US ANY SERVICE TO SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS, YOU HAVE TO PASS THIS SORT OF TEST, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS. SO I THINK ENSURING SAFETY FOR EVERYBODY IN THESE TYPES OF PLACES IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY BOTH THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. AND OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM, I SEE ABOUT $30.5 MILLION ON THE -- I THINK IT'S SLIDE 5. DOES THAT INCLUDE SOLID WASTE AND SAPD TIME THAT WE'VE KIND OF SEEN IN OTHER PRESENTATIONS.

>> CARMONA: THE SOLID WASTE TIME IS AN ACTUAL COST, COUNCILMAN, IS IN THE 19.8 BUCKET. THE SAPD IS IN DIRECT COSTS THAT'S SEPARATE -- DO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER? WE CAN GET THE INDIRECT COSTS FROM SAPD AND FIRE. BUT THE COST THAT SOLID WASTE HAS IS COUNTED AS

PART OF THE 19.8. >> MUNGIA: OKAY. YEAH, IF WE CAN GET THOSE

NUMBERS. >> TATE: THE INDIRECT COST IS ABOUT 23 MILLION. AND THAT INCLUDES POLICE AND FIRE.

>> MUNGIA: AND THAT'S JUST FOR POLICE AND FIRE?

>> TATE: YES. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE 30.5.

>> CARMONA: IT'S NOT IN THE 30.5, COUNCIL. >> MUNGIA: I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I THINK IN PREVIOUS FISCAL YEARS THE AMOUNT OF INDIRECT SERVICES WE WERE SPENDING WAS FAR OUTWEIGHING WHAT WE WERE SPENDING IN DIRECT SERVICES, SO I'M GLAD WE'RE KIND OF GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION ON THAT, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS RENTAL ASSISTANCE, I'LL GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO MY DIRECTOR OF ASSISTANT SERVICES, SHE DOES A FANTASTIC JOB OF GETTING PEOPLE HOUSED, SOMETIMES THEY'RE LIVING IN A CAR, AND SOMETIMES FOLKS ARE LIVING IN AN APARTMENT AND THEY ARE ABOUT TO BE EVICTED AND DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.

SO I WOULD WELCOME SOME RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROFILES MAYBE THAT WE COULD SEE, BECAUSE I'M WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IT A LOT OF FOLK WHOSE

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>> CARMONA: YES. >> MUNGIA: AND I THINK WE DO KIND OF A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A HIGH DEMAND. IF WE WERE TO PUT THE WHOLE $5 MILLION AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, IT WOULD ALL BE GONE WITH NO REPEATS. RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY DEVASTATING THING TO UNDERSTAND, AND SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD INFORMATION TO HAVE. I DO WANT TO GIVE ALSO A SHOUTOUT TO THE STREET OUTREACH WORKERS. THEY'RE OUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THE COMMUNITY AS A STAFFER, I'VE GOTTEN TO GO ON SO MANY SITE VISITS WITH THEM AND SEE THE WORK THEY DO AND THE COMMUNICATION THEY HAVE WITH FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, SAPD JUST WILL NEVER HAVE OR SOMEBODY WITH A SUIT WILL NEVER HAVE THAT CONNECTION, RIGHT.

>> CARMONA: RIGHT. >> MUNGIA: AND I -- YOU KNOW, AS YOU DO THE INTAKE OVER THE SUMMER AND YOU TALK TO FOLKS, GETTING THEIR OPINION IS

REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. >> CARMONA: YES.

>> MUNGIA: AND GETTING THEIR UNFILTERED ADVICE, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE STREET TALKING TO PEOPLE EVERY DAY, AND WE HAVE CERTAIN LUXURIES HERE THAT I THINK FILTER OUR INPUT ALSO. AND SO I WELCOME THAT INFORMATION. AND COUNCILMAN, YOU KNOW, GALVAN TOOK SOME OF MY POINTS EARLIER BUT THE MOBILIZATION OF RESOURCES IS SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME, RIGHT? AGAIN, WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM MARBACH AND 410, POTRANCO, 1604, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO DOWNTOWN TO GET SERVICES. IT WAS INTERESTING, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A RESIDENT ONCE AND HE WAS COMPLAINING A LOT ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS AT MARBACH AND 410, ALL THESE FOLKS HOMELESS, OUT ON THE STREET.

I SAID THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE HERE, WOULD YOU WANT US -- WOULD IT BE OKAY WITH YOU IF WE PUT A SHELTER HERE SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE THESE FOLKS AND MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T BE ON THE STREET AND THEY'D BE IN THE HOME OFF THE STREET. AND HE SAID, WELL, NO, THAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT MORE HOMELESS PEOPLE. AND SO YOU -- WHAT THE GENERAL SENTIMENT, YOU KIND OF RUN IN CIRCLES LIKE THAT, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE BETTER CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS.

BUT DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FAITH-BASED PLACES ARE DEFINITELY A REALLY GOOD WAY TO GO. AND IT COULD ALSO AVOID A CONTROVERSIAL ZONING CASE BY A PARTNER WITH THOSE FOLKS. IT'S MY OPINION YOU WOULDN'T NEED A ZONING CHANGE TO DO THAT IF IT'S ALREADY A FAITH-BASED INSTITUTION. AND ACTUALLY, I WOULD ASK -- I'D LIKE TO ASK JESSE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO JESSE, I KNOW THAT YOU -- THEY MENTIONED YOU WENT ON SOME SITE VISITS, AND JUST KIND OF TALK TO ME VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND CRISES THAT YOU'RE SEEING OUT THERE. WHAT DID YOU SEE WHEN YOU

WENT OUT THERE? >> YEAH, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, JESSIE HIGGINS, CHIEF MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

FIRST OF ALL, WHAT A GREAT EXPERIENCE, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU TAKING THE TIME TO GO OUT. I WAS ABLE TO GO OUT ON THE FIRST DAY OF AN ABATEMENT WHERE THEY DO THE ASSESSMENTS, AND THEN ON THE NEXT TIME WHEN THEY GO TO THE SAME GROUP WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DO THE ABATEMENT. AND I DO -- JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW OUR CITY STAFF IS SO KEENLY AWARE OF SORT OF THE METACONTEXT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. THEY'RE TRYING TO BE REALLY TRAUMA INFORMED AND THEY'RE TRYING TO BE REALLY COME PACKS GNAT, COMPASSIONATE, AND THAT WAS ACROSS ALL SOLID WASTE, POLICE AND OUR HOMELESS SERVICES STAFF, BUT IT'S STILL REALLY COMPLICATE AND COMPLEX, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT THAT BALANCE OF WHAT'S SAFE AND HEALTHY FOR YOU RIGHT THIS MINUTE AND HOW CAN WE GET YOU RIGHT INTO THE RIGHT SERVICES AND ENGAGE AND GIVE TRUST. SO WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE STRUGGLING TO TRUST THE SYSTEM, STRUGGLING TO GET INTO A SHELTER OR A HOUSE OR A FACILITY OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.

SO WE'VE GOT TO BUILD OUT THE IMMEDIATE NEED THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT, SOMETIMES WE DO SUBSTANCE USE, AND THEY'RE GOING INTO DETOX OR RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT.

SOMETIMES IT'S A MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT, BUT THEN WE'VE GOT TO BUILD OUT SHELTER CAPACITY THAT MEETS NEEDS FOR PEOPLE. WE'VE GOT TO BUILD OUT A SHELTER CAPACITY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS FOR COMMUNITY, THAT'S A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU HAVE IN AN ENCAMPMENT OR WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE STREETS.

IT IMMEDIATES THE NEEDS FOR AUTONOMY, WE KNOW THAT'S HUGE IN OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION, BUT ALSO MEETS THE IMMEDIATES FOR THEIR MENTAL -- NEEDS FOR THEIR MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH NEED TS. WE'VE GOT GREAT OPTIONS FOR THAT BUT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT THAT TRANSITIONS INTO THE ACTUAL TRANSITIONAL OR PERMANENT HOUSING, THAT'S

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>> MUNGIA: YEAH. AND I WOULD JUST ADD REAL QUICK, ARE YOU SEEING -- I'M NOT AWARE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON, BUT IS IT LIKE SCHIZOPHRENIA, IS IT PARANOIA, IS IT HIGH ANXIETY? IS IT MAYBE MENTAL HEALTH CAUSED BY CERTAIN TYPES OF DRUG USAGE?

LIKE WHAT WAS THE KIND THAT YOU SAW? >> RIGHT.

SO IT'S HARD TO IDENTIFY THAT WITHIN A BRIEF MEETING, RIGHT, BECAUSE DRUG USE AND ORGANIC MENTAL ILLNESS THAT INCLUDES PSYCHOTIC EPISODES LIKE SCHIZOPHRENIA CAN LOOK THE SAME.

IF WE CAN ENGAGE THE STREET OUTREACH THAT HELPS ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE PERSON INSTEAD OF BEING PROGRAM OR SITE-BASED, WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF OUR SERVICES ARE LIKE NOW, THEN I THINK WE CAN HAVE BETTER OUTCOMES IN REALLY GETTING TO KNOW THE NEEDS. IT'S HARD TO TELL JUST ON

FACE VALUE WHAT PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH. >> MUNGIA: I THINK DOING A DEEPER DIVE ON THAT WOULD HELP US MORE BECAUSE YOU HEARD SOME FOLKS SAY -- AND I'VE HEARD THIS FROM RESIDENTS, TOO, WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A JOBS PROGRAM, WHY CAN'T YOU PAY THEM PROGRAM TO GO CLEAN OR DO SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE FOLKS THAT WE'RE ENCOUNTERING ARE ABLE TO DO THAT THE VERY NEXT DAY, RIGHT, OR SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE. SO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, DEEPER ANALYSIS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE IS IMPORTANT. AND ALSO RIGHT, IF SOMEBODY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET HOUSING RIGHT AWAY, ARE THEY IN A MENTAL STATE WHERE THEY COULD HANDLE THAT RESPONSIBILITY, TOO, RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES THAT

COME WITH HAVING YOUR OWN HOME. >> RIGHT.

>> MUNGIA: AND SO I THINK HAVING THAT WOULD HELP US KIND OF SEE WHERE IN THE NETWORK THERE ARE GAPS TO DO. SO THANK YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> MUNGIA: AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, IT BEING A TOP PRIORITY ON THE BUDGET AND WHAT WE SEE, AND WHAT ALSO WE DON'T SEE. DISTRICT FOUR IS HOME TO A LOT OF VACANT PARCELS THAT HAVE VERY, VERY LARGE ACREAGE WITH A LOT OF ENCAMPMENTS.

YOU WOULD NEVER SEE THAT DRIVING. IT REALLY IS A CRISIS.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO START HAVING REAL CONVERSATIONS, AS TRAGIC AS IT IS, RIGHT, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS ARE DYING WHILE THEY'RE HOMELESS, RIGHT? WE NEED TO KNOW THAT FOR THE PUBLIC -- WHEN I TELL THE PUBLIC THAT I ENCOUNTERED A WOMAN WHO WAS HOMELESS WHO SAID SHE WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED TWICE BY THE SAME PERSON, WHO, BY THE WAY, DID NOT SEEM TO BE HOMELESS, IS A REAL, REAL TRAGEDY WHEN I GO TO A HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT SITE AND SOMEONE SAID, OH, THAT'S A MEMORIAL FOR A STILLBORN BABY THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS WOMAN'S BABY IS A REAL TRAGEDY, SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, HEALTHCARE'S A BIG COMPONENT, RIGHT? HOW MANY HOMELESS WOMEN ARE PREGNANT? HUGE HEALTHCARE GAPS THAT WE HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT, AND THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE DEALING WITH THAT. SO IMPORTANT INFORMATION

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK

YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SPEARS? >> SPEARS: THANK YOU, MAYOR. MARK, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON SUCH A COMPLICATED, IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND YOU DID A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION, AND I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH, BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WE REALLY -- WE REALLY NEED TO TRY TO SOLVE AS MANY OF THEIR PROBLEMS AS WE CAN AND FIND THEM BACK IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND LIVING A FRUITFUL LIFE. BUT I HAD A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH ON MYSELF, AND A LOT OF IT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON ALREADY. I'M HAPPY THAT COUNCILMAN MUNGIA BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT THE 23 MILLION IN INDIRECT COSTS, WE'RE REMINDED THAT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE OFTEN THE FIRST TOUCH TO THESE PEOPLE OR MAYBE THE FIRST TOUCH THAT WEEK, AND SO THEIR TRAINING AND THEIR EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA, WE NEED TO BE REMINDED OF HOW THEY INTERACT WITH OUR UNHOUSED POPULATION. SLIDE 5, I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN MEZA GONZALEZ THAT WE SHOULD -- IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY FOR US THE LEADERS IN THOSE DIFFERENT TRACKS, I THINK HONING IN ON WHO'S DOING IT BEST IS A SMART APPROACH, AND THEN WE JUST REALLY GET BEHIND THEM. I'VE BEEN TO CORAZON AND WORKED WITH THEM A LOT, I LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR OFTEN IS THE NEED FOR AN ID CAN OPEN DOORS IN WAYS THAT WE CAN'T -- WHAT COUNCILMAN MUNGIA WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE STILLBORNS, LIKE THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.

THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES WITHOUT AN ID, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SEEMS SO SIMPLE TO COLLABORATE WITH OUR PARTNERS ON AND TO DO OFTEN A REAL PROGRAM WE CAN SCALE UP SO THEY HAVE AN ID.

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THEY'LL ACCEPT ANYONE OUT IN DISTRICT 9 BUT THEY DON'T COME OUT THERE, SO THE ENCAMPMENTS ABATEMENTS WHILE I APPRECIATE YOU WANT TO DECOMMISSION THAT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DO IT ENTIRELY.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT -- THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN IN MY DISTRICT ABOUT SAFETY FOR EVERYONE, SAFETY FOR THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS AND FOR THE RESIDENTS, JUST A NATURAL FEELING OF SAFETY, AND THEN THOSE WHO ARE ON DRUGS OR OTHER SUBSTANCES, IT'S SCARY FOR THEM AND FOR ANYONE AROUND. ON THAT NOTE, WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE OFTEN USE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL TO COPE WITH OTHER THINGS, BE IT MENTAL HEALTH OR MAYBE THEIR -- IT'S A VETERAN GOING THROUGH PTSD OR FOSTER YOUTH WHO HAVE NOBODY, SO I THINK IT'S WISE THAT WE LOOK AT TREATMENT.

AND PREVENTION IS THE BEST COURSE, TOTALLY AGREE THERE.

TREATMENT FIRST OVER HOUSING, AND THAT I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEGISLATIVE AND GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS TO GO PURSUE THAT ROUTE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND AT THE STATE LEVEL, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. THERE'S A REASON THEY'RE DOING THAT. THEY'RE SEEING THE RESULTS.

AND TO YOUR POINT, IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE AND IT'S EFFECTIVE.

SO ON THE LOW-BARRIER SHELTER, I'M SO CONFLICTED ABOUT THAT.

I SEE WHAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE SAYING, YOU NEED THAT.

IT'SEXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S ALSO, TOO, WHEN YOU SORT OF MIX PEOPLE WITH VARYING DEGREES OF HOMELESSNESS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, RIGHT, BECAUSE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS THE NUMBER ONE REASON, TOO, AND THAT MEANS THERE'S LOTS OF KIDS. AND THEN ARE THEY BEING EXPOSED TO DRUGS IN A LOW-BARRIER SHELTER? I WORRY A LOT ABOUT THAT.

IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD HAVE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.

I DO SAY I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT HERDING EVERYONE TOGETHER WITH DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THEIR HOMELESSNESS. FIRST-TIME HOMELESSNESS, WE WANT IT TO BE THE ONLY TIME, LAST TIME. AND SO PREVENTING THEM FROM GETTING INTO HIGH-RISK BEHAVIOR SCENARIOS AND ENVIRONMENTS IS GOING TO BE KEY. AGAIN, WITH THE

PREVENTION SIDE OF IT. >> CARMONA: COUNCILWOMAN, IF I COULD, I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S PART OF THE ASSESSMENT WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN, AND JUST A REMINDER, THAT FAMILY VIOLENCE PREVENTION SERVICES DOES OPERATE A SHELTER, SO WE'RE MINDFUL OF THAT, IF CHILDREN ARE INVOLVED OR FAMILIES ARE INVOLVED IN TERMS OF WHAT'S THE BEST PLACEMENT FOR SOMEONE AS THEY'RE

COMING INTO THE SYSTEM. >> SPEARS: AND THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EXPANDED, TOO, TO FOSTER YOUTH, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPER AT RISK.

THEIR NUMBERS ARE SCARY. AND VERY HEARTBREAKING. AND THEN I BRING UP THE SENIORS, TOO, TO WHAT THE MAYOR'S TALKING ABOUT. THIS ONE'S REALLY HARD FOR ME, BECAUSE I -- THEY DON'T HAVE FUTURE EARNING CAPACITY, MAYBE THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE TOO HIGH. AND THERE'S SO -- WE'RE AN AGING CITY, SO THAT'S REALLY AN AREA THAT WE'RE SEEING A SURGE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GROWTH, [INDISCERNIBLE] AND ILLNESS HAPPENS, THOSE THINGS CAN GET TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS OR LIVING IN CARS OR COUCH SURFING OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY END UP TRYING TO DO, AND CAPTURING THEM AND FINDING HOUSING. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TALK ENOUGH ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SENIORS, IT'S JUST NOT TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH IN THIS CITY. AND I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING VERY, VERY -- BECAUSE PEOPLE LIVE A LOT LONGER NOW. THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO PLAN FOR THAT, TOO. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE, TOO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING TAXES AND RAISING RATES ON PEOPLE, WE DON'T -- WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT VULNERABLE POPULATION THAT WITHIN MAYBE BECOME UNHOUSED BECAUSE OF THOSE INCREASES, SO WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT AS WELL. LET ME SEE.

I JUST -- I JUST APPRECIATE THE WORK HERE.

THIS -- THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT I DON'T THINK EVER GOES AWAY, BUT THE MOST WE CAN DO IS REALLY KEEP TACKLING IT AND FIND REALLY GOOD EXAMPLES AND BE THE LEADER IN THIS SPACE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. AND, YOU KNOW, SHOWING OUR CITY THAT THE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT HOW WE'RE SPENDING TAX DOLLARS IN THIS AREA, AND THEN AS THEY SEE MEASURABLE RESULTS IN THE CITY, THAT'S GOING TO BE SUPER HELPFUL. I KNOW ALSO THAT IT TAKES A LOT OF TOUCHES AND OUTREACH TO WHAT COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ IS TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S TRUE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT

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SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SAD. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US LIKE SEEING ANYONE IN THAT SITUATION, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT CIRCUMSTANCES COULD BE DIFFERENT FOR ANY OF US, AND WE COULD BE IN THAT POSITION. SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS ON. I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE CONTINUED TALKING ABOUT THIS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING SO CAREFUL WITH

EVERYONE'S TAX DOLLARS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK

YOU, COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU, MARK, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WANTED TO ALSO THANK OR CITY MANAGER ERIK WALSH FOR RECRATING THIS DEPARTMENT IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC INPUT OVER THE LAST BUDGET SURVEYS. AGAIN, AS WE KNOW, HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING CONTINUE TO BE IN THE TOP TWO ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, SO JUST APPRECIATIVE THAT THERE'S THIS EFFORT AND THAT MARK IS LEADING THIS INITIATIVE. BUT ALSO WANTED TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO ALL THE HOMELESS PARTNERS FOR THE WORK THAT DAY DO AND TO ENSURING THAT WE CONTINUE TO HOUSE AND KEEP INDIVIDUALS IN SHELTER.

SO JUST EXTREMELY GRATEFUL, BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T ALSO HIGHLIGHT KATIE AND HER WORK IN LEADERSHIP WITH THE LAST BOND CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, I THINK THE RESULT THAT WE GOT TO WAS -- IN AUDIO] -- THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE CAN HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT WITH $150 MILLION HOUSING BOND, SO GRATEFUL FOR THE CONTINUED WORK.

IN TERMS OF THE FRAMEWORK THAT'S LAID OUT, I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE IMPORTANCE OF WORKING WITH -- OR RESTRUCTURING, RATHER, WHAT ENCAMPMENT OUTREACH LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CYNTHIA AND CHRISTINE ON OUR TEAM WHO DO THE RELATIONSHIP BUILDING AND WORK WITH YOUR TEAM AND YOUR OUTREACH WORKERS TO CONNECT FOLKS WITH RESOURCES IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO HEAR, SIMILAR TO MY COLLEAGUES, THE TREND IN WHICH CONSTITUENTS ARE EXPRESSING FRUSTRATION THAT AN ENCAMPMENT IS CLEARED AND A COUPLE DAYS LATER IT'S BACK UP.

THEY'RE ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A SOLUTION, AND, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S OUT OF COMPASSION OR OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND, THE SOLUTION IS IDENTIFYING LOW-BARRIER HOUSING TO GET FOLKS HOUSED AND OUT OF THE STREET. OR THE VACANT LOT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT RECOMMENDATION.

I'M GRATEFUL THAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST ON WORKFORCE IS BEING CONSIDERED AND DISCUSSED, SO I APPRECIATE READY TO WORK ALSO BEING IDENTIFIED ON THIS LIST.

IN TERMS OF WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR ONE-ON-ONE, I'M GRATEFUL THAT JAIL DIVERSION IS INCLUDED THERE AS A POTENTIAL POINT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE BEXAR COUNTY REENTRY CENTER. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT WITH SOME OF THEIR CASE MANAGERS AND ESSENTIALLY WHEN FOLKS ARE RELEASED FROM THE COUNTY JAIL, THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO GO TO THE REENTRY CENTER, AND THEY'RE TRACKING WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BEING RELEASED AND WHAT THEY MAY NEED SUPPORT WITH AND WHAT SERVICE TO SURFACES TO THE TOP AS A TOP NEED ARE HOUSING. SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH FOLKS BEFORE THEY ENTER HOMELESSNESS BY PARTNERING, WHETHER IT'S DATA SHARING, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CATCH INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE HARVARD'S JOINT CENTER FOR HOUSING STUDIES HAS FOUND THAT FORMERLY INCARCERATED INDIVIDUALS ARE 10 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN THE GENERAL POPULATION TO EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS, SO IF WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND, OF COURSE, ALL THE SERVICE PROVIDERS IN DOWNTOWN, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BETTER TRIAGE INDIVIDUALS LEAVING THE SYSTEM, SO WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND GRATEFUL THAT MARK'S CONNECTED WITH IDA TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT, AGAIN, IT'S PREVENTING FOLKS BEFORE THEY ENTER HOMELESSNESS. IN TERMS OF THE MENTAL HEALTH CONVERSATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HOPE THIS BODY CONTINUES TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WITH URGENCY. SAME THING, DOCTORS AT THE BEXAR COUNTY JAIL HAVE SHARED THAT THEY'RE SEEING A TREND OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DEMENTIA GOING INTO THE COUNTY JAIL. AND SOMETIMES WHETHER THE TIME SERVED, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEY'RE BACK OUT ON THE STREET, AND THEY'RE LITERALLY BACK OUT ON THE STREET, RIGHT, IN NEED OF MERNT L HEALTH SERVICES. SO I HOPE AS THIS FRAMEWORK MOVES FORWARD AND WE PLAN, THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION JUST THAT NEED AND, OF COURSE, THE WORK OF JESSIE HIGGINS AND HER RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.

>> CARMONA: I HOPE WE LEARN A LOT ON FRIDAY. >> CASTILLO: YES.

I'LL BE BRIEF, BECAUSE I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, AND, AGAIN, AS WE HAVE THE BOND CONVERSATIONS, MY EXPECTATION IS THAT WE DO PRIORITIZE THE NEEDS THAT YOU AND THE HOMELESS PROVIDERS PRESENT TO US AS NEEDS AS A PRIORITY WITH THAT BOND CONVERSATION.

BUT THOSE ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER KAUR?

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>> KAUR: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION, MARK, AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING TO LEAD THIS ORGANIZATION. I THINK, ERIK, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU CREATED THIS LAST YEAR HAVE BEEN ALREADY PROVEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL SO I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GREAT. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE LEADING THIS AND GETTING TO SEE THE WORK AT A WHOLE SCALE VERSUS AND PREVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING. AND FOR BEING OPEN AND WILLING TO HEAR IDEAS. SO I WANT TO ECHO A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE. I KNOW COUNCILMAN MEZA GONZALEZ ASKED FOR A BREAKDOWN OF THOSE COMPONENTS ON THAT SLIDE, I THINK IT'S SLIDE 5. I AGREE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE WHOLE IS OUR PORTION, SO JUSTINA, YOU MENTIONED, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DAY CENTER, HOW MUCH ARE WE CONTRIBUTING TO THE WHOLE OF THE PROGRAM.

>> CARMONA: OKAY. >> KAUR: SO IF YOU COULD GET THAT FOR US AS WELL.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE COVERING 100% OF SITE ABATEMENT BUT WE'RE PROBABLY ONLY

COVERING 5% OF DAY CENTER. >> CARMONA: RIGHT.

>> KAUR: AND IF THERE IS A WAY TO TRACK FROM THAT INVESTMENT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SUPPORT THAT IT'S PROVIDING, RIGHT? SO FOR THE DAY CENTER, WHAT IS THE METRIC THAT WE'RE TRACKING FOR THE DAY CENTER, HOW MUCH OF SUPPORT ARE WE GETTING THERE VERSUS FOR SITE ABATEMENT, HOW MANY SITE ABATEMENTS HAVE WE DONE WITH THOSE SAME DOLLARS? JUST SO WE CAN BETTER

UNDERSTAND THE METRICS. >> CARMONA: OKAY. >> KAUR: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT WAS -- IF YOU CAN BRING THAT SLIDE BACK UP, THAT'S -- THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM, I HAVE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT, AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION PREVIOUSLY. I HAVE GONE OUT WITH THE STREET OUTREACH TEAM, I'VE TALKED WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES WITH A LOT OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS. WE HAVE SEVERAL HOT SPOTS IN DISTRICT ONE WHERE FOLKS THAT LIVE AROUND THE AREA ARE CONSTANTLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE SUPPORT THAT'S BEING PROVIDED TO THE UNHOUSED PROGRAM. AND SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ROI IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OUR STREET OUTREACH PROGRAM. I KNOW THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREETS ALL THE TIME DOING THE WORK, BUT HOW ARE WE MEASURING THE SUCCESS OF THAT? I WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT AND ALSO RETENTION OF OUR STAFF. LIKE I KNOW WE HAVE A VACANT POSITION RIGHT NOW

FOR D1 ON THE STREET OUTREACH TEAM. >> CARMONA: JUST GOT

FILLED. >> KAUR: OH, REALLY. >> CARMONA: YEAH, THEY JUST IDENTIFIED SOMEBODY, AND I THINK THEY ACCEPTED THE POSITION.

>> KAUR: THAT'S AWESOME. >> CARMONA: SO NOW WE'RE COMPLETELY STAFFED.

>> KAUR: THAT'S GREAT. AND WE'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER, THOUGH, IN THAT

TIME, RIGHT. >> CARMONA: CORRECT. >> KAUR: IT'S A HARD JOB. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A REALLY TOUGH JOB, BUT ALSO I'VE HEARD FROM SOME FOLKS THAT THERE ARE -- ARE WE, YOU KNOW, LIFTING UP LIVED EXPERIENCE IN OUR HIRING FOR THOSE POSITIONS IN BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AND SEEN, FOLKS WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE HAVE THE BEST SUCCESS AT CONNECTING WITH OTHER UNHOUSED FOLKS. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, ONE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT SETUP FOR THE TEAM, AND THAT IT'S SET -- IT IS STILL CREATED IN THE RIGHT WAY.

I KNOW THERE'S TWO PEOPLE FOR DISTRICT ONE BECAUSE IT WAS ADVOCATED FOR BY MY PREDECESSOR, AND THEN THERE'S ONE FOR EVERY OTHER DISTRICT, BUT HOW ARE THEY -- IS THERE TIME BEING EQUITABLY -- LIKE WE ALWAYS GO BACK TO THIS EQUAL IS NOT EQUITABLE CONVERSATION, RIGHT, BECAUSE ONE PERSON FOR EACH DISTRICT, BUT IS THAT THE RIGHT BREAKDOWN OF STAFF? AND I MEAN, IT'S -- A STREET IS JUST A STREET. IT'S A MADEUP BOUNDARY -- SORRY -- AND SO HOW DO WE BETTER MAKE SURE WE ARE ALLOCATING THAT STAFF EQUITABLY FOR WHERE THE NEED IS, RIGHT? IF WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT NEED MORE ENERGY AND MORE TIME, FACE TIME WITH FOLKS, ARE THEY GETTING BACK AND TALKING TO THEM? BECAUSE SOMETIMES IF THEY SEE THE SAME PERSON EVERY DAY, MAYBE THEY WILL BE READY THE NEXT DAY WHEN AN OUTREACH TEAM MEMBER COMES.

THE SECOND THING THAT I ASKED FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS, BUT SOME OF MY STAKEHOLDERS DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTREACH TEAM IS DOING. SO THEY WILL SAY, OH, WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING HAPPENING, THEY'RE NOT EVEN TRYING.

AND WHEN WE TELL THEM ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE SUPPORT, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT. THEY DON'T KNOW THAT, OH, AN OUTREACH TEAM MEMBER AACTUALLY WENT OUT THERE AND SPOKE TO ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS ENCAMPMENT AREA, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ASKED FOR IS MORE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT FROM THE OUTREACH TEAM.

SO IF THE OUTREACH TEAM CAN ACTUALLY DEDICATE SOME OF THEIR TIME -- AND I KNOW THIS TAKES AWAY TIME FROM CONNECTING WITH OUR UNHOUSED, BUT TAKE SOME TIME TO GO OUT AND TALK TO THE INDIVIDUAL STAKEHOLDERS IN CERTAIN AREAS, I.E., YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE AN ENCAMPMENT RIGHT THERE ON CULEBRA AND TALKING TO ALL THE BUSINESSES THERE.

WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME ON FREDERICKSBURG ROAD AND GOING OUT AND TALKING TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE FEELING THAT THEIR BUSINESSES ARE BEING AFFECTED, TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I DID TODAY.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE I'M TALKING WITH, HERE'S MY CARD, CALL ME AND I CAN HELP. JUST MORE OF A BRIDGE RATHER THAN JUST FOCUSING ON THE -- WORKING ON THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S --

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THEY DON'T HAVE A GREAT CONNECTION THERE. MAYBE THAT'S THE RIGHT IDEA IS TO CONNECT THEM TO OUR SAFE OFFICERS. THERE HE'S NOT GOOD COMMUNICATION AND IT GETS CORRECTED TO OUR OFFICES -- OR AT LEAST MY OFFICE. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THE SLIDES -- THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DOLLARS THAT INCLUDES OUR DELEGATE AGENCY FUNDING

THAT'S GOING OUT -- >> CARMONA: CORRECT. >> KAUR: YEAH.

IF YOU COULD SPLIT THAT OUT SO WE CAN SEE WHO'S GETTING WHICH PORTION.

I MEAN, THIS IS A GREAT -- I LOVE THIS, AND JUST LIKE BEING ABLE TO, LIKE, DOUBLE CLICK ON EACH OF THEM IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

>> CARMONA: I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> KAUR: YEAH.

AND THEN THE LAST THING COUNCILMEMBER GALVAN MENTIONED THIS ACS E-MAIL, THAT ACS E-MAIL SOMETIMES GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF ANXIETY, ONLY BECAUSE I'M LIKE, SOMETIMES -- YOU KNOW, THE NOTION THAT LIKER IF IT'S COMING TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE, WHO IS THE PERSON TO RESPOND.

AND SO I LIKE THE THOUGHT THAT HE'S RECOMMENDING, THOUGH, ABOUT HOW DO WE CREATE MORE FUNNEL TO ENSURE THAT IT'S GOING THROUGH A SINGLE LINE OR WE KNOW EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION. RIGHT NOW, IT'S LIKE YOU CALL ONE AGENCY, THEN YOU CALL ANOTHER AND THEN YOU CALL ANOTHER. SO I GET THE FRANTICNESS OF, LIKE, HOW DO WE HELP PEOPLE, SO -- BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, MAKING SURE WE'RE STILL FIGURING OUT A WAY TO CREATE MORE COLLABORATION, WHICH I THINK WAS THE INTENT OF THAT. THE LAST THING IS ON HMIS, I'M GLAD TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS. I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN LONG COMING. ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH SAM LIKE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH THE CHALLENGES WITH HMIS.

I WOULD STILL LOVE TO SEE GEOLOCATION INCLUDED ON IT.

IT'S NOT. WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT INDIVIDUALS, AT LEAST KNOWING WHAT -- WHERE THEY ARE IS HELPFUL SO THAT YOU CAN SAY, LIKE, WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT WE ARE HELPING.

SO I REALLY HOPE THAT THAT WILL COME VERY SOON.

AND THEN ALSO FOR JUST THE PARTNERSHIPS WITH, LIKE, INFORMATION AND HOW WE'RE SENDING OUT INFORMATION ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING, EVEN IF IT'S MORE UPDATES TO THE WEBSITE, THE ENCAMPMENT WEBSITE, WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT ALSO DOESN'T JUST INCLUDE CLEANUP, BUT INCLUDES, LIKE, WHAT WE'RE DOING TO HELP. SO IF WE CAN SHOW BOTH THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BEING CLEANED UP. AND I UNDERSTAND THE DEBATES ON CLEANUP, I TOTALLY GET IT. WE ASKED THE OTHER DAY HOW MUCH MONEY HAD BEEN SPENT ON THE SAME HOT SPOT AREA BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH REPEATED AND THEY'RE COMING BACK. AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S A BOTH/AND SOLUTION BECAUSE I ALSO HEAR ON THE BACK END, IF WE DO NOTHING, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING NOTHING. AND THEN THERE'S FRUSTRATION THERE, TOO. SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S A -- WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHOW OUR COMMUNITY -- I MEAN, COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO SAID, THEY EVENTUALLY LEARN, IT'S NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE -- WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHOW AND COMMUNICATE THAT BETTER TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND THAT'S ALL OF US. I DO, TOO.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY DO SEE AT LEAST LIKE A COUPLE OF DAYS THAT THE TRASH IS PICKED UP AND CLEANED AWAY, AND SO MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO DO CLEANUP WITHOUT TOTALLY -- I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAYS, I SUPPORT YOUR PROPOSAL MOVING FORWARD AND IT'S A VERY TOUGH CHALLENGE, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE STILL MAKING PROGRESS ON IT EVERY DAY.

I ACTUALLY DO THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. I KNOW ONE OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES HAD A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION. IT'S STILL OBVIOUSLY A CHALLENGE, BUT SO ARE SIDEWALKS. LIKE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE CHALLENGES, BUT I DO THINK THAT FROM THE FIRST DAY, I THINK THREE YEARS AGO WE SET A TARGET OF THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR, AND WE'VE BEEN MOVING TOWARDS THAT.

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO KEEP SETTING TARGETS. IT WAS LIKE THREE YEARS AGO, WE SET WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT, FOR THE FIRST TIME WE PUT A TARGET ON IT. WE'VE GOT TO KEEP DOING THAT AND KEEP REACHING THAT, AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN MENTIONED THE POINT ABOUT THE HOTEL SITUATION. WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A FULL-TIME LOW-BARRIER HOUSING, REALLY, TRUE, LOW-BARRIER HOUSING, BECAUSE WE DO GET FEEDBACK SOMETIMES THAT EVEN THE LOW-BARRIER HOUSING IS NOT LOW BARRIER ENOUGH, SO MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A PRELOW-BARRIER HOUSING AND A LOW-BARRIER HOUSING, BUT I'D LOVE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT IN THE BOND AS WELL. AND LAST PLUG, MARK HAS TAKEN A GREAT LEADERSHIP OF TALKING TO SOME FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING PREBUILD SMALL STUDIO PREFAB PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SITES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND SO HE'S SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF PROVIDERS ABOUT IT, AND WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE CREATE MORE COST EFFECTIVE PREFAB

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TO DO THAT. THANKS, MAYOR. >> CARMONA: COUNCILWOMAN, IF I CAN JUST SAY REAL QUICKLY, WE'RE DEVELOPING NEWSLETTERS BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT WILL GO OUT QUARTERLY TO GIVE YOU THAT PICTURE WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'D LOVE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON IT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU, MARK, JUST A COUPLE OF FINAL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK OF YOUR TEAM AS WELL AS VERONICA'S TEAM IN HELPING TO CREATE THE SPECIAL SUPPLY HOUSING TASK FORCE REPORT, THANKFUL AGAIN FOR COUNCILMAN MUNGIA'S LEADERSHIP ON THAT. AND SO IN YOUR BUDGET REQUEST, WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATION ARE MEN DAITIONS OR YOUR ASKS THERE SPEAK DIRECTLY TO FUNDING SOLUTIONS AS IDENTIFIED IN THAT REPORT FOR, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, THAT'S THE DISABLED, LGTBQ YOUTH AND SENIORS. FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN YOUR DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY AND THE READY TO WORK PROGRAM.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO, BUT WHAT'S THE FINITE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE

TWO DEPARTMENTS. >> CARMONA: SO WHEN I WAS OPERATING SOLELY AS CHIEF HOUSING OFFICER, WE HAD -- READY TO WORK HAS AN EXISTING MOU WITH THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST TO HAVE A PRESENCE AT EACH ONE OF THE HOUSING TRUST LOCATIONS MOVING FORWARD AS A SITE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DO TRAINING. I THINK NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEW DEPARTMENT, MAYOR, I THINK PROBABLY THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR US IS AROUND THIS DAY WORK PROGRAM AND ONGOING WORKFORCE MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT MIKE RAMSEY AND I ARE

HAVING CONVERSATIONS ON. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. THANKS, MARK. APPRECIATE THAT. ONE OF THE POINTS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE RIDE A LONG AS WELL IS THERE'S A CONNECTIVE ISSUES BETWEEN DIFFERENT SYSTEMS TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND THEN HAVING SUFFICIENT INSIGHT INTO WHO'S BEING HELPED IN WHAT WAY. WHATEVER YOU NEED FROM -- I KNOW SOME OF THOSE SYSTEMS ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL, THEY MAY BE FEDERAL, THE VA, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT IF WE CAN HELP IN THAT OR IF YOU'VE IDENTIFIED OTHER WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN HELP UNSTICK THINGS AND PLEASE HELP US KNOW HOW WE CAN BETTER ADVOCATE FOR THAT AT VARIOUS LEVELS.

>> CARMONA: YES. >> MAYOR JONES: OUT OF CURIOSITY, IS WALKER RANCH IS OPEN FROM 7:00 TO EIGHTH MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND THEN SEVEN TO FOUR -- IS THAT CONSIDERED A DAY CENTER? KARLZ

>> CARMONA: YONS. >> MAYOR JONES: IT'S A SENIOR CENTER, BUT DOES

IT ALSO QUALIFY AS A DAY CENTER? >> I WILL DOUBLE CHECK

THAT, YES. >> MAYOR JONES: I MEAN, AS WE'RE THINKING CREATIVELY HOW WE MEET THE DEMAND, IF IT DOES THAT --

>> I CAN SAY IN THIS PRESENTATION HOW IT'S CONTEMPLATED, NO.

THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT WE DO ACROSS ALL THE DHS SENIOR CENTERS DO SEE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ACCESSING THOSE SERVICES SO OUR DEPARTMENT WITH DHS TO GO OUT THERE ALMOST WEEKLY OR MONTHLY TO ENSURE WE'RE CONNECTING THE RIGHT RESOURCES FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO

THE CENTERS. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL.

I'M GOING TO HAVE FOLLOW-UP POINTS ON THAT LATER.

OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS DURING THE EXTREME WEATHER EVENT THAT WE HAD RECENTLY, I STOPPED BY A COUPLE OF THE WARMING CENTERS, ONE OF THEM WAS GARZA. AND I SPOKE WITH FOLKS THAT WERE HOMELESS, AND THEY HAD POOR FEEDBACK, UNFORTUNATELY, ABOUT HOW THEY HAD BEEN SUPPORTED DURING THAT I.E., THEY WERE TOLD TO REACH OUT, THEY WERE TOLD THEY WOULD GET A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEBODY, IN THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT THAT NEVER DID. SO THEY ENDED UP MAKING THEIR WAY THEMSELVES TO THE WARMING SITE. SO I'D WELCOME IN YOUR BUDGET REQUEST, RIGHT, IF YOU HAVE A LINE IN THAT THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR SURGE CAPACITY NEEDS TO BE, ESPECIALLY IN TIMES LIKE THAT, THAT WILL HELP US BETTER SUPPORT YOU SO THAT WE CAN BETTER SUPPORT THOSE FOLKS.

JUST A COUPLE FINAL POINTS HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALSO MENTIONED, MARK, IF IT REQUIRES FOLLOW-UP IN A PAPER, THAT MIGHT BE EASIER, BUT THE RESOURCE OF OXFORD HOMES. CAN YOU -- HOW DOES YOUR PLAN CONTEMPLATE ENGAGING WITH ENTITIES LIKE THAT? AND I DID JUST A QUICK SEARCH ON MY PHONE, AND THERE'S -- IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR WOMEN, THERE'S LIKE 16 SPOTS. FOR MEN, THOUGH, IT'S ABOUT SHY OF 50.

SO TO THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT DISPARITY AMONG GENDER, BUT THOSE ARE ALSO WELL INSUFFICIENT OF WHAT WE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO HOW DOES YOUR PLAN CONTEMPLATE INCORPORATING THOSE RESOURCES OR

INCENTIVIZING THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> CARMONA: YEAH, I THINK PROBABLY IN THE SECOND AND THIRD FOCUS AREAS OF THE PLAN REALLY IN TERMS OF GUIDING PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH SUBSTANCE USE ISSUES, THAT AN OXFORD HOME -- IF YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE INITIAL, SAY, SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT, AN OXFORD HOUSE CAN -- WHETHER IT'S FOR MEN OR WOMEN CAN BE A NEXT STEP OR A STEP DOWN FOR YOU.

THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT ECOSYSTEM, MAYOR, SO I THINK IT'S ONE, FIRST, IDENTIFYING NOT ONLY THE OXFORD HOUSES, BUT THE HIGH NUMBER OF

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>> MAYOR JONES: YEAH, AND I APPRECIATE THE RESOURCE THAT IT SERVES.

I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN HOW WE ARE INCENTIVIZING IN WE NEED TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY. SO IF THAT LOOKS LIKE SOME HELP WITH PROPERTY TAX OR WHAT HAVE YOU, IF THAT'S KIND OF A COST EFFICIENT WAY TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF A RESOURCE THAT WE NEED, I'D LIKE US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR THAT.

OKAY. THANKS SO MUCH, MARK. I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SUPPORT FOR YOUR WORK HERE AND, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HEARD WERE MORE ABOUT HOW WE CAN HELP YOU MORE, SO THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE SO THOROUGH. AND THAT IS THE LAST COMMENT.

WE'VE GOT PUBLIC COMMENT HERE, 15 FOLKS, 15 FOLKS SIGNED UP FOR THAT.

THANKS, AGAIN, TO ALL THE PRESENTERS. THE TIME IS NOW FIVE THERE AND THIS

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