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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR FRIDAY, MAY 22ND, 2026.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS PRESENT GARCIA.
PRESENT VIRTUAL SPILLER PRESENT.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JASON VASQUEZ, VICE CHAIR AND JUANITA SEPULVEDA IS A CHAIR.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM THE APRIL 17TH, 2025.
UH, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? WE NEED TO VOTE FIRST.
WE APPROVE A MINUTES FROM APRIL 17TH, 2026.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
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RIGHT INTO CASES.THIS IS CTAP CASE 2026 DASH 1 28 FOR 1 36 GORMAN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL ROT IRON FRONT YARD FENCE THAT WILL INCLUDE A PEDESTRIAN GATE AND TWO SLIDING GATES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE FENCE DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN THE HEIGHT AT ANY PORTION OF THE FINAL INSTALLATION AND THAT ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY GATE BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND COMMISSIONERS, THERE IS A LATE, UM, FILE IN YOUR FOLDER THAT I CAN PULL UP AS WELL.
UM, AND THERE IS ALSO A LETTER FROM THE NUITY HILL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED, UM, AND AGREES WITH THE STIPULATION OF ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY GATE.
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AND, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S UM, ONLINE AT THIS MOMENT.EDWARD, DO YOU SEE HIM ONLINE? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, RIGHT? NO.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONERS, SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL LET YOU DECIDE IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS CASE, WE'LL TAKE IT UP BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE AGREED TO THE STIPULATIONS THAT WERE OUTLINED BY OHP, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO HE, UM, ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED, UM, THAT HE AGREES WITH ONE ONE ROLLING GATE, WHICH WAS THE ONLY REASON WHY THIS IS ON THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL AGENDA RATHER THAN ON THE CONSENT.
AND ON THE LATE FOLDER HE SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN WITH, UH, SHOWING ONLY ONE ROLLING GATE.
AND Y WILL, UM, MAKE SURE HE ONLY INSTALLS ONE ROLLING GATE ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND SO, UM, AND, AND FOR THE NORTHEAST SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE INITIALLY STIPULATED THAT BECAUSE, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE WIDER SIDE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE STRUCTURE.
SO FOR US IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO INSTALL THE DRIVEWAY GATE ON THE SIDE WITH MORE CLEARANCE SO THAT IT DOESN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, START COMING INTO THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE STIPULATED THE NORTHEAST SIDE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT RIGHT? QUE QUESTIONS ONLINE? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'D LIKE A MOTION PLEASE.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK CLARIFICATION.
MM-HMM
HAVE THEY AGREED TO THAT AS WELL? YES.
AND THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO THE ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THING THAT ORIGINALLY WAS, UM, WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE NOT RECOMMENDING WAS THE TWO DRIVEWAY GATES, BUT FROM THE BEGINNING, UH, THE FOUR FEET, UM, TALL WROUGHT IRON FENCE WAS, WAS COMPLETELY PART OF THE REQUEST.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I MAKE A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? DAVIS.
COMMISSIONER FULLERTON, I KNOW YOU JUST GOT HERE, BUT ARE YOU READY TO VOTE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO? I'LL ABSTAIN.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE COMMISSIONERS.
SO THE NEXT CASE IS, UH, CTAP CASE 2026 DASH 1 0 8 FOR 6 26 NOLAN STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO FIRST REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING CORINTHIAN COLUMNS AND PILE LEERS ON THE FRONT PORCH OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITH TUSCAN STYLE COLUMNS AND PILASTER STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR BE MAINTAINED AND REPAIRED IN KIND AS NECESSARY.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING COLUMNS AND PILE LESTER BE MAINTAINED AND REPAIRED IN KIND AS NECESSARY.
THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR FILE FROM THE UM, DITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE IN PERSON.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, UM, APPLICANTS FOR 6 26 NOLAN.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, 12 MINUTES TO SPEAK AND IF YOU CAN PLEASE, UM, UH, PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ONCE YOU, UH, ARRIVE HERE.
AND THEN I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO HOLD IT.
UH, AND WE'RE WORKING AT 6 26 DOLAN STREET ON THE FRONT DOOR.
IT IS, OH, IT'S NOT, UM, ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, SO, AND IT'S FALLING APART.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE WERE TRYING TO CHANGE IT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE COLUMNS THEY'RE PLASTIC SO WE CAN'T DO ANY STUCCO ON THEM AND THEY'RE SEAMED TOGETHER.
SO THAT WAS JUST THE REQUEST ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD I'VE GONE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TAKING PICTURES OF THE SAME COLUMNS THAT WE WANNA PUT UP AND DOORS SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE WANNA PUT UP.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, YOU GOT ANYTHING MIKE? NO, THAT'S ABOUT IT MAN.
AND, AND WE WILL SHOW A FEW SAMPLE, UM, PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED,
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IF YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THESE.YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO DO A DIVIDED LIGHT IN THE FRONT, WHICH WILL BE HALF, UH, HALF LIGHT.
AND THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM IN THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE, THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, BUT IT'S LIKE TWO OR THREE BLOCKS DOWN THE STREET.
AND I'VE TAKEN SEVERAL PICTURES OF COLUMNS AND UH, DOORS THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF GLASS IN 'EM WITH DIVIDED LIGHT IN THEM.
SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO.
SO THAT I THINK THE DOOR, YEAH, THAT DOOR IS JUST FALLING APART.
I MEAN PLACED WHAT, 2005? YEAH, GENERALLY WAS 21 YEARS OLD.
THEN, UM, WE'LL GIVE OUR MY COLLEAGUES UH, A TIME TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
YOU SAID THAT THE COLUMNS ARE PLASTIC.
THEY'RE PLASTIC, SO THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL.
AND YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH WHAT? WITH A A, A SMOOTH COLUMN.
AND I GOT PICTURES OF THOSE COLUMNS RIGHT THERE.
ARE THOSE ALSO PLASTIC? NO, THEY'RE, UH, PERMA CAST IT ACTUALLY WEIGHT BEARING.
AND DID YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE GONNA STUCCO THEM? NO, NO, NO.
I CAN'T STUCCO THE ONES THAT ARE THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE MADE OUT OF PLASTIC.
WHY WOULD YOU STUCCO THEM? WELL, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO, I GUESS MY QUESTION.
I'M JUST SAYING I CAN'T, THEY'RE SAYING TO REPAIR 'EM, I CAN'T REPAIR 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE PLASTIC.
WHAT IS THE REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE TO THEM? THEY JUST WANNA CHANGE THE LOOK.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY REPAIRING THEM THAT THEY, THAT THEY NEED.
YOU WANT TO REPLACE THEM, NOT ONLY 'EM, THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO REPLACE THEM.
'CAUSE THEY GOT SO MANY ORNATE PIECES ON THERE, THEY'RE FLUIDED AND THEY'RE JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY LIKE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? COMMISSIONER SPEEDS? THE UH, EXISTING COLUMNS ARE PLASTIC, SO THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT ORIGINAL.
THE DOOR IS ALSO NOT ORIGINAL.
THE HOUSE IS OVER 60 YEARS OLD AND THIS DOOR IS LIKE 25 YEARS OLD.
IS THAT IT? ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? NONE AT THIS TIME.
UH, SO YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT, UM, MATTER OF, UM, DISREPAIR.
IT'S A MATTER OF CHANGING THE LOOK YES, SIR.
ON THE CALL AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
THIS BOARD IS HERE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CHANGE THE LOOK OF HOMES WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF HOMES WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOMEOWNERS THERE BOUGHT THE HOME, NOT KNOWING IT'S NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR, UM, WHAT THE DEAL WAS, BUT DO YOU WANNA SPEAK? I WOULD, IF YOU DON'T MIND, GO AHEAD, CAN YOU? SURE.
ON THE, ON THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES, THEY WERE ORIGINALLY DORIC IN NATURE, VERY SMOOTH.
AND WHENEVER A CATHOLIC WORKER HOUSE MOVED IN AND REMODELED THE HOUSE TO RESTORE OR TO, WELL, I GUESS REMODEL IT, THEN THEY WANTED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE FANCIER THAT WOULD DRESS IT UP GIVEN THE NATURE OF WHAT, WHAT THEY DID.
I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO BRING IT BACK TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE ORIGINALLY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANNA REPLACE THE PLASTIC ON THE DOORS.
I MEAN ON THE, ON THE COLUMN IT'S JUST THEIR, THEIR JUNK IS REALLY WHAT THEY ARE.
IT WAS A, IT WAS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT WENT IN AND DID IT ON THE CHEAP AND MADE THEM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE.
IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL LOOK OF THE HOUSE.
IF IT'S, IT'S, IT, UH, WHEN I TALKED TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE CATHOLIC WORKER LAST WEEK AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THEY DID IT AROUND THE YEAR 2005 AND HE SAID THEY WERE SMOOTH IN NATURE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN FIGURE OUT BASED THAT THEY DIDN'T REPLACE THE COLUMNS IS THAT THEY WERE DORIC, YOU KNOW, WHICH OF COURSE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA DO IT REGARDING THE DOOR.
IT WILL NOT KEEP THE COLD IN OR WON'T KEEP IT OUT IN THE WINTER.
IT WON'T KEEP IT IN IN THE, IN THE SUMMERTIME.
YOU CAN PUT YOUR FOOT RIGHT THROUGH THE, THE BASE OF THE DOOR.
IT, I MEAN IT'S BASICALLY JUNK.
AND I'M JUST SIMPLY TRYING TO BRING SOMETHING UP TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT, THAT WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF, OF, OF WHAT'S THERE.
I'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH CATHOLIC WORKER HOUSE SINCE 2010 AND I MEAN, I LOVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM THEM.
AND SO I REALLY WANT THE HOUSE TO BE WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WHEN, WHEN DIGNITY WITTY WAS AT ITS HEIGHT.
AND THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO.
I'M NOT TRYING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM OR CHANGE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT, UH,
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CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAD BEEN THERE.IF HISTORIC IS REALLY THE GOAL, THAT'S ALWAYS THE GOAL.
AND, UM, I'LL ASK STAFF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
SO DID Y'ALL MAKE A SITE VISIT AND ANALYZE THE COMPOSITION OF THOSE COLUMNS AND WHETHER THEY'RE ORIGINAL OR, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, VICE CHAIR, SO STAFF DID NOT MAKE A SITE VISIT.
IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY COMMON WITH THIS TYPE OF REQUEST.
HOWEVER, WE WEREN'T MADE AWARE THAT THE COLUMNS WERE PLASTIC IN NATURE.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT HAS PHOTOS, UM, FROM BEFORE WORK STARTED IN 2005 SHOWING THE, UM, PREVIOUS COLUMN CONDITION, UH, THEN THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD IMPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY AS A RETURN TO HISTORIC CONDITION.
UM, ALTERNATIVELY, IF THEY HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT DOOR EXISTED THERE HISTORICALLY, UH, STAFF COULD LOOK AND SEE IF A REPLACEMENT DOOR THAT MATCHES THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE.
SO THOSE ARE TWO ROUTES THAT WE COULD PURSUE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UM, HOWEVER, THE UM, PARTICULAR COLUMNS THAT ARE REQUESTED HERE TODAY, UH, STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE MATCHES THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, STYLE OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, AND, UH, THE DOOR ITSELF TOO.
UM, SO, UH, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION AND THEN I'LL PASS THIS OVER TO ADRIAN IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
YEAH, SO, UM, UH, MY COLLEAGUE BRIAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINED TO THE MAIN PARTS OF IT.
SO, UM, THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS KIND OF THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THESE COLUMNS IN RELATION TO THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, WE COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, AGAIN, CONSIDER APPROVING ADMINISTRATIVELY, UM, AND AGAIN, AN ALTERNATE DESIGN BASED ON PREVIOUS PHOTOS OF WHAT WAS THERE.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS HAPPY FOR IN KIND REPLACEMENT OR BRINGING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, UH, CONDITION.
AND THEN, UM, AND WITH THE DOOR AGAIN, WE BASICALLY BASE IT ON, UM, WHAT WE SEE THERE NOW, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OFF OF THAT BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANY WAY OF RESEARCHING AND FIND OUT WHAT THE ORIGINAL DOOR AND PILLARS LOOK LIKE? WE, WE HAVE A FEW RESOURCES.
UH, WE HAVE SURVEY PHOTOS FROM THE VERY EARLY NINETIES.
UH, SOMETIMES THOSE DO SHOW, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T, DEPENDING ON THE DEPTH OF THE PORCH AND THE TIME OF DAY.
UH, USUALLY THE PORCH IS KIND OF BLACKED OUT.
UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE SURVEY PHOTOS.
UM, A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT WE USUALLY GO BY AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING BEING APPROPRIATE IS THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, SO WE CAN ALSO REFERENCE THAT WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON A DOOR PROFILE THAT WOULD BE ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE.
UH, SO WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE A FURTHER LOOK.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY PHOTOS, UH, FROM YOUR PREVIOUS TIME, UH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD, TRYING TO FIND PHOTOS.
I KNOW WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THIS HOUSE, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW CLEARLY IT'S GONNA SHOW, UH, WHAT DOOR PROFILE IS THERE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S ALREADY DIFFICULT AND THAT'S NOT AN OLD PHOTO.
UM, SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND OUT.
ARE THOSE THE ORIGINAL, ARE THESE PICTURES TAKEN? SO THESE ARE THE PICTURES THAT WERE, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT? YES.
SO EDWARD, WHAT WOULD THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION BE FOR Y'ALL TO PROPERLY ANALYZE, UH, THIS BEFORE? SHOULD WE, UM, WELL, SO, UM, WE CAN GO AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT, IF WE CAN SEE WHAT INFORMATION WE CAN FIND OUT, UH, WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
IF WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION ADMINISTRATIVELY, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON WE CAN'T, UM, IF THAT CAN'T BE DETERMINED, UM, AND WE CAN GO AND SEE WHAT THE COLUMNS ARE THAT ARE THERE NOW, UM, I THINK WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, BASED ON INFORMATION THAT WE NOW KNOW AND WORK WITH THEM TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSE TO, UH, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE.
IT COULD BE WHAT THE APPLICANT'S ALREADY PROPOSED OR IT MAY NEED TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN THE APPLICANT OF COURSE COULD COME BACK.
YOU COULD TABLE THIS TO, UH, THE NEXT HEARING IF WE NEEDED TO.
UM, LET ME ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
NO, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I, I'M IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING RESTORING IT TO WHAT IT WAS TO PRE TWO, UH, 2005.
WELL, THAT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED, UH, BY OHP FIRST 'CAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
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UM, ON, UH, THE HISTORIC COLLECTION OF PHOTOS FROM GOOGLE MAPS AND UH, UNFORTUNATELY THEY ONLY GO BACK TO OCTOBER, 2007.UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE NEW COLUMNS, AS YOU HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AFTER, UM, HAVE ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED.
THE, THE FRONT DOOR, IT'S HARDER TO TELL.
I I CAN'T TELL IF THAT'S A SCREEN DOOR ON IT OR MAYBE IT, MAYBE IT WAS THE, UH, AN EARLIER DOOR AT LEAST, UH, MAYBE SOLID WOOD, BUT, UM, GOOGLE'S CAMERAS WERE A LITTLE LESS, UH, CLEAR BACK THEN
SO
UM, SO I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT BETWEEN OHP AND UM, MAYBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR OTHERS, UM, SOME OTHER, UH, PHOTO DOCUMENTATION CAN TURN UP.
SO I, I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER HERE AND, AND FIND, UH, A SOLUTION.
WHAT STYLE OF HOME IS THIS CONSIDERED AND UH, YEAH, SO WE ACTUALLY, WE SPENT A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME, WELL, NOT A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT WE SPENT SOME TIME FROM STAFF STANDPOINT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'D EXACTLY CALL THAT.
AND UH, THERE, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF NAMES.
UM, IN REGARDS TO PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, UM, THIS COULD BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT HEARING.
UM, AND WITHIN THAT TIME HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF BUSINESS DAYS, STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT, UM, A COLUMN PROFILE AND A DOOR PROFILE THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
THE ONLY ISSUE WITH THE CONTINUANCE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE JUNE THE 26TH, IS WHEN WE WOULD HAVE THE NEXT CTAP HEARING IS THE 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD FOR THIS APPLICATION IS I THINK JUNE THE NINTH.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO AGREE, UH, TO THAT CONTINUANCE, UH, TO PUSH THAT OUT TO JUNE THE 26TH.
WITHIN THAT TIME, WE WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND IF FOR WHATEVER REASON WE COULDN'T FIND A SOLUTION, THEN IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK HERE ON THAT DATE, THAT DATE SPECIFIC HEARING.
SO IT'D EITHER BE A CONTINUANCE OR A DENIAL.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A DENIAL.
YOU COULD CRAFT A MOTION FOR AN APPROVAL OR AN APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS.
BUT PROBABLY THE BEST THING WOULD BE TO ALLOW STAFF TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
AND IF WE CAN'T DETERMINE A SOLUTION, THEN JUST COME BACK TO THE CTAP BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THE APPLICANT COULD REPRESENT THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL OR THEY MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THEY HAVE AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, THAT, UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD.
UM, SO I'M SORRY, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE MATERIAL OF THE PROPOSED COLUMN THAT YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE? IT'S A CONCRETE PRODUCT.
IT WOULD BE A CONCRETE PRODUCT AND UM, THE MATERIAL OF THE DOOR, IT WOULD BE A MAHOGANY, IT WOULD BE A MAHOGANY, IT WOULD BE A MAHOGANY, UH, STAIN GRADE, WHICH THE DOOR THAT THERE, THAT'S THERE IS A STAIN GRADE DOOR.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY NEVER TOOK CARE OF IT, SO THE SUN GOT TO IT, THE WEATHER GOT TO IT, IT'S JUST FALLING APART.
UM, AND THIS WOULD BE A COMMENT MAYBE MORE FOR STAFF IF YOU DO WORK WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT YOU LOOK AT A MATERIAL FOR THE COLUMNS THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UM, TO THIS TIME PERIOD AND THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE AND, AND THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.
SO, UM, IN WORKING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANTS, WE WOULD OF COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SHOW THEM THE GUIDELINES AND MAKE SURE THAT THE MATERIAL OF THE COLUMNS, THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT, UM, IS ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR APPROVAL.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, UM, AGAIN, WITH, WITH THE MATERIAL OF THE PROPOSED COLUMN, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS, UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UH, ORIGINAL TO THE TIME THEY USED TO DO THESE COLUMNS OUT OF WOOD, SO BEING EXPOSED TO THE FRONT THERE, THEY WILL, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT TAKEN CARE OF, THEY WILL GO BAD AGAIN.
BUT WITH THE PERMA CA COLUMNS, THE, THE BASE IS A, A NOT A ROTTED PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPOSITE, SO IT WOULD LAST A LOT LONGER AND IT'LL LOOK THE SAME.
I I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, HOWEVER, UM, IT IS A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND SO, UH, TRADITIONALLY WOULD BE, WOULD, WOULD BE THE MATERIAL THAT YOU USE UNFORTUNATELY THESE DAYS WOULD, IS POTENTIALLY NOT AS LONG LASTING OR THE SAME QUALITY AS WHAT OTHER COLUMNS
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IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT BE.BUT, UM, WOOD IN GENERAL EXPOSED TO WEATHER NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
SO WITH MAINTENANCE IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, A MOTION THAT WE, UM, TABLE THIS FOR RIGHT FOR TODAY AND ALLOW YOU TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE, THE TIME AND UH, THE MATERIALS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE CLIENT AGREE TO EXTENDING OUT.
UM, YOU COMING BACK THE NEXT TIME SINCE THE NEXT TIME IS JUNE 20, I'M SORRY, JUNE 26TH.
26TH, COMING BACK ON JUNE 26TH, UH, BECAUSE THAT EXCEEDS YOUR 60 DAY TIME PERIOD.
I'LL SECOND THAT AND CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, DAVIS? AYE GARCIA? AYE REGARD? AYE.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US AND UM, PLEASE WORK WITH OHP ON NEXT STEPS.
HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
UH, NEXT CASE CA CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 0 9 4 35 DONALDSON AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A RETAINING WALL APPROXIMATELY 14 INCHES IN HEIGHT ALONG TO PROPERTY'S FRONT YARD.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE LANDSCAPING TO MITIGATE ANY ISSUES RELATED TO DIRT RETENTION ON SITE.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN NON-RESPONSIVE, SO THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE TODAY.
UM, THE COMMISSION MAY STILL HEAR THE REQUEST SINCE IT IS A COMPLETE APPLICATION, BUT IT'S, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT ISN'T HERE SO STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE PULL UP PULLED UP, I CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
NOW WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CASE.
UM, THE RESIDENTS AT THIS ADDRESS HAVE PREVIOUSLY COME BEFORE HDRC AND UH, BEFORE CTA, SO, UM, THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE AND UM, THEY KNOW THAT THE BERM THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET A RETAINING WALL FOR, UH, IS A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE WITHIN MONTICELLO PARK.
UM, SO I'M FINE WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THIS CASE.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? GO AHEAD.
SO HAVE THEY BEEN NONRESPONSIVE SINCE THE CTA HEARING? UM, SO THEY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR RETAINING WALL CONSTRUCTION AND THEY HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITH STAFF ABOUT WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T, UM, CONFORMING TO GUIDELINES.
UH, BUT SINCE MARKING THIS FOR, UM, CTAP REVIEW, UM, WE'VE TRIED CALLING MESSAGING EMAIL, UM, AND HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
SO, UM, GIVEN THE UDC PROCESS FOR TAKING THIS FORWARD, UM, IT IS A COMPLETE APPLICATION, SO WE DO HAVE TO BRING IT FORWARD.
UM, WE CAN'T JUST MARK IT INCOMPLETE AND BECAUSE YOU DID HAVE CONTACT WITH THEM, YOU KNOW THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THOSE CONTACT CHANNELS DO WORK.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? I DON'T AT THIS TIME.
UM, COMMENTS? UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
I JUST WANNA NOTE IF YOU'RE IN A HABIT OF COMING HERE ON
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THE THIRD FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH, THE THIRD FRIDAY OF JUNE IS JUNETEENTH AND THE CITY WILL BE CLOSED.UH, SO WE'LL HAVE C TAB ON THE FOURTH FRIDAY, UH, IN JUNE, WHICH WILL BE JUNE THE 26TH.
SO, UM, I, UM, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO MANUALLY UPDATE YOUR CALENDARS, UH, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE STUCK ON THE THIRD FRIDAY OR RECURRING MEETING, YOU'LL SHOW UP AND NOBODY WILL BE HERE.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT.
IS THAT JUST NEXT MONTH OR GOING FORWARD? JUST FOR NEXT MONTH.
SINCE, SINCE THE 19TH IS A HOLIDAY.
AS A, AS A BOARD THAT WE ARE, THAT IS COMMITTED TO HISTORY AND PRESERVATION AND COMMEMORATION OF, OF CULTURAL HERITAGE, I AM GLAD THAT THE CITY IS CONTINUING ITS CELEBRATION OF JUNETEENTH AND MAYBE IT'S EXAMPLE WILL INSPIRE OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I JUST CHECKED MY ALL CALENDAR.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DID CHANGE IT.
UM, AND IT, AND MINE SAYS THE 26TH.