* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALRIGHT, [00:00:01] . GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. IF WE COULD PLEASE HAVE OUR SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES STATEMENT. OH, HIT THE MICROPHONE BUTTON. I ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. MY NAME IS JOHN BUSANTE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT FIVE ZONING COMMISSIONER. THE TIME IS ONE O'CLOCK AND I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION. IN THE SESSION, I LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. THANK YOU CHAIR. MY NAME IS ROB S SIPES, REPRESENTING DISTRICT SEVEN. I'M JOHN KELLY, REPRESENTING DISTRICT EIGHT. DANNY KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, JOHN WITT, DISTRICT 10 MOSES VE, DISTRICT NINE MIA LOS DISTRICT TWO , DISTRICT SIX, GEORG OSA, DISTRICT THREE. EDDIE PETE RODRIGUEZ. DISTRICT FOUR ANA MAYOR'S APPOINTEE STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. YES. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO PLEASE REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF. IF YOU WOULD, BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VI VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM COMMISSION, YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE QUEST AND AN EX INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. YOU'LL BE CALLED AN ORDER THAT YOU, THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU'LL BE INFORMED THAT THE TWO MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING UP THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES. UH, THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED INTO SPEAK AND MUST YIELD THE TIME WHEN THE SPEAKER GOES TO THE PODIUM. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A TWO LIMITED TIME LIMITED OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR ITEMS, ARE THERE ANY WITHDRAWN [Zoning Items  ] OR POSTPONED ITEMS TODAY? WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE POSTPONED ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER 12. ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THE ITEMS ONE OR 12, WHICH RESPECTIVELY ARE 19,273 BABCOCK ROAD AND 4 54 AVONDALE AVENUE. UH, YOU CAN GO ABOUT YOUR DAY. WE'RE NOT GONNA HEAR THOSE TODAY. UH, PRIOR TO THOSE ITEMS COMING BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, YOU WILL RECEIVE PUBLIC NOTICE AS YOU DID PREVIOUSLY AND, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING FORWARD. SO YOU WILL HAVE A WHOLE NEW NOTICE IF THAT'S NECESSARY. UM, OKAY. STAFF, IF WE COULD READ IN THE ITEMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON OUR COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER ONE, THE CONSENT AGENDA. SORRY, NOT READ IN. JUST GIVE ME THE LIST. ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE ITEMS NUMBER 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, AND 19. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, ANYONE WANT TO PULL ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS FROM THE COMBINED HEARING? NUMBER ONE, LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE, LOOKING RIGHT, SEEING NONE. THANK GOD. UM, SORRY. INAPPROPRIATE STAFF, IF WE COULD PLEASE READ IN THE ITEMS ON COMBINED HEARING. NUMBER ONE, CONSENT PLEASE. FIRST ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO C3 AND MF 33 TO C3 S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A MACHINE [00:05:01] SHOP AND WITHIN THE EDWARDS RECHARGE ZONE DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 50 39 BECKWITH BOULEVARD. 11. NOTICES WERE MAILED. TWO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. OUTSIDE 200 FEET WE RECEIVED TWO IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I ONE TO R ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 0 8 DICKEY AVENUE. 37. NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED CULLEN'S GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE VOICEMAIL IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO TO RM FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 2 0 2 CASTORVILLE ROAD 50 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE CHARRO PROSPECT HILL AND BRADY GARDENS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM PUD MF 18 TO L WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 11,000 BLOCK OF HIGHWAY SOUTH HIGHWAY 180 1 14. NOTICES WERE MAILED ONE IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED? NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM RM FOUR TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1850 EAST HOUSTON STREET. 38 NOTICES WERE MAILED. THREE IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. NUITY HILL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE. ITEM 15 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO RM SIX WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT THREE 20 EAST CORTLAND PLACE. 39. NOTICES MAILED TWO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 17 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM OH TWO AND C ONE TO IDZ ONE WITH USES PERMITTED IN C ONE LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND A FROST FOSTER GROUP HOME WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. LOCATED AT 71 37 WEST MILITARY DRIVE. 26 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND LACKLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO TO C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR EXTENDED STAY HOTEL, MOTEL, TIMESHARES, OR CORPORATE APARTMENT WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 7,400 BLOCK OF WARS BLOCK ROAD. 17 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED? NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET. AND OUR LAST ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C TWO TO L WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 9,300 BLOCK OF SOUTHEAST LOOP. FOUR TEN NINE NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED? NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE UH, ITEMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH AS I WAS GONNA FORGET TO ASK. UM, ALRIGHT. IS THERE THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION ON THE CONSENT COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE AGENDA MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. I MOVE TO APPROVE FILING ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 7 10 11 13 14, 15, 17, 18 AND 19. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PANA. ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT? SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 7 10 11 13 14, 15, 17, 18 19 BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PANA. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER PANA. AYE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER VILLE. AYE. COMMISSIONER WHATSUP? YES. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES ALL VERY GOOD. IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WE JUST READ, 7 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18 AND 19. YOU ARE WELCOME TO GO ABOUT THE REST OF YOUR DAY. YOU WILL HAVE SIX MONTHS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. ALRIGHT, THE NEXT ITEM, UH, OR SORRY, THE NEXT AGENDA IS THE CONTINUANCE HEARING TO JULY 21ST, 2026. CORRECT. WE HAVE ITEM 16 REQUESTING A FIVE WEEK CONTINUANCE TO THE JULY 16TH MEETING. JULY 21ST. OH, I'M SORRY. 21ST. MY BAD. MY, I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, THERE ARE FOLKS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. UM, FIRST WE HAVE MR. YEAH, LET ME JUST SAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SPEAK TODAY. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK IN FIVE WEEKS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO BOTH. UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH AND ASK YOU WHAT YOU WANNA DO. FIRST IS MR. PATRICK RAMEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TODAY? [00:10:01] SURE. I HAVE TWO. NOPE, YOU GOTTA COME UP. YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES IF YOU WOULD SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND THEN TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS ON ITEM NUMBER 16. YEAH, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE AGENDA DOES INDICATE THAT THIS IS CD NINE AND THIS IS IN FACT COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE. ALRIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PATRICK RAMEY. UH, MY WIFE CATHERINE EE AND I MOVED TO SAN ANTONIO, UM, A YEAR AGO. AND WE RECENTLY BOUGHT, UH, A PROPERTY 2 9 1 7 NORTH MAIN AVENUE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION HERE. UM, UH, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF HISTORIC CHAR UH, HISTORIC CHARACTER. UM, AND IT'S PRIMARILY MADE UP OF, OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. UH, SO WE ARE IN OUR INSTINCT IS OPPOSITION TO THE, UH, PROPOSAL TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY, UM, TO HELP, UH, MAINTAIN THE, THE, UH, VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY, BUT ALSO, UM, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT IS. AND, AND AS WE CHOSE, UH, WE STRETCHED OURSELVES FINANCIALLY TO BE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND, AND WE JUST, UH, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING RASH TO BE DONE TO CHANGE THAT CHARACTER. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. AMY. AND THEN OUR NEXT ITEM, OUR NEXT PERSON TO SPEAK IS MR. RYAN REED. OKAY. AND THAT IS IT FOR ITEM 16. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UH, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION ON ITEM 16. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUING ITEM NUMBER 16 TO THE 7 21 MEETING. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. OH, HE RAISED HIS HAND. SECOND. WE'RE GETTING SUPER FORMAL. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITSETT SECOND. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER WHITSETT IS OUR SECOND. UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION IS FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER 16 TO JULY, JULY 21ST, 2026 BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER WISACK? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DOWELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER PANA? YES. CHAIR PO. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT. UM, VERY GOOD. WE'LL SEE YOU IN FIVE WEEKS. ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL AGENDA. WE ARE GONNA BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AND THEN WE WILL GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BENAVIDEZ, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS LOCATED AT 1 7 6 8 0 BLANCO ROAD, GOING FROM C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO C TWO S COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH OVER THE EDWARDS RECHARGE ZONE DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAY STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 23 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, THREE OPPOSED BLANCO BLUFFS GAVE NO RESPONSE OUTSIDE. 200 FEET ZERO ARE IN FAVOR AND SIX ARE OPPOSED. THE EXISTING C TWO DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE PROPOSED C TWO S DISTRICT FOR A CAR WASH WITHIN THE ERZD IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG BLINKER ROAD, A SECONDARY ARTERIAL INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE HIGHER VOLUMES OF TRAFFIC TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH COMMERCIAL USES. THE INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING USES AND OTHER COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS IN PROXIMITY, MAKING IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. SAS IS HERE TO PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS, AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. IF WE COULD HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM SAS, PLEASE. WE CHANGED OUR PROCEDURES, SO I CAUGHT 'EM BY SURPRISE. , HOLD ON, LET ME DRAFT MY PRESENTATION. ABSOLUTELY . THAT'S COOL. ALL RIGHT. MY GUESS GOING THROUGH SAS AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION, WE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT 17,680 BLANCO ROAD, ALLOWING FOR AN AUTOMATED CAR WASH FACILITY. THERE IS A OUT OF BUSINESS RESTAURANT ON THE SITE PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY BUILT IN 1999 ON A 1.297 ACRE LOT. THE EXISTING PRICE COVER ON SITE IS 65%. THE PROPERTY IS CLASSIFIED AS A CATEGORY TWO. THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE WOULD ALLOW FOR A DRIVE THROUGH AUTOMATED CAR WASH WITH VACUUM STATIONS ON SITE. NO PORTION OF THE SITE IS IN A FLOOD PLAIN. NO SENSITIVE GEOLOGIC FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE. WE RECOMMEND APPROVING ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE SOILS REPORT TO INCLUDE [00:15:01] ALLOWING 65% AND PREVIOUS COVER FOR THE 1.297 ACRE LOT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, THE APPLICANT PLEASE. AND IF YOU WOULD, SIR, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. TELL US YOUR ADDRESS AND TELL US WHAT YOU WANT. GOOD AFTERNOON, CARLOS SWANSON. I'M WITH CROSS DEVELOPMENT OUT OF CARROLLTON, TEXAS. UH, WE'RE THE DEVELOPER FOR BLUE WAVE EXPRESS, UH, PARTNERING WITH BLUE WAVE AND ALSO THEIR, UH, PARTNER BUSINESS CLEARWATER EXPRESS. WE'RE THEIR DEVELOPER. WE'VE OPENED ABOUT 50 LOCATIONS WITH THEM AND WE HAVE ABOUT 91 CURRENT ONES IN TEXAS THAT DOES MAKE US THE LARGEST TEXAS EXPRESS OWNER OPERATOR CAR WASH. SO YOU CAN HAVE A MEMBERSHIP AND GO TO ANY 97 LOCATIONS. UM, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE WANT TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT COME UP. I KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED A FEW ITEMS. UH, NUMBER ONE JUST BEING THAT IT'S A REALLY HARD TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THERE. UM, OBVIOUSLY BLANCA ROAD IS A INCREASINGLY BUSY ROAD AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY BUILT A, A REMODELED ANOTHER CAR WASH NOT TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S JUST A COUPLE MILES DOWN THE ROAD AT, UH, 1 4 5 3 0 BLANCO ROAD, SIMILAR SORT OF ACCESS IN AND OUT. UM, AND WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. UM, ADDITIONALLY OUR GOAL AS A BUSINESS IS WE'RE NOT A DESTINATION. MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS COME IN THROUGH ON THEIR WAY TO THE HOME GROCERY STORE, SOCCER PRACTICE, WHATEVER. UM, AND SO WE'RE NOT ADDING TO THE TRAFFIC. WE'RE RATHER TRYING TO PULL FROM THE TRAFFIC. UM, AND SO WE'RE ON AVERAGE MAYBE SEEING ABOUT 500 CARS COMING IN A DAY. UM, WE'RE NOT ADDING 500 NEW CARS, IT'S THE CAR'S ALREADY ON THE WAY TO HEB, ET CETERA. UM, ADDITIONALLY WE'VE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THERE BEING TOO MANY CAR WASHES RIGHT THERE, UH, ON THAT LITTLE STRETCH OF BLANCA ROAD BETWEEN, ABOUT BASICALLY WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE TO GO IN AND, UH, THE HIGHWAY. SO I WENT THROUGH ALL THOSE TODAY. I WENT TO OURS, UH, THAT WE OPENED UP NOT TOO FAR A COUPLE MILES DOWN THE ROAD. UM, I WENT TO THE WASH TUB NEIGHBORING. UM, IT'S MORE OF A DETAIL ORIENTED WHERE YOU COME IN, YOU PARK THEIR CAR. THEIR QUICKEST OPTION WAS ABOUT 20 MINUTES. THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT IT'S MORE OF LIKE A DETAIL SERVICE. YOU COULD EITHER HAVE A KINDA A SOFT DETAIL OR A FULL DETAIL. OURS IS MORE OF AN EXPRESS STYLE. UH, I WENT DOWN TO GO CAR WASH AROUND THE CORNER ALONG THE HIGHWAY. FRONTAGE, UH, THAT WAS, I MEAN, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO. IT'S AN OLDER BUILDING. THEIR WASH ISN'T AS DESIGNED AS WELL. UM, BUT IT'D BE SOMETHING SIMILAR. OURS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVENIENT TO THOSE GOING, UH, THE OTHER DIRECTION ON BLANCA ROAD. UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, IT'D BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. OBVIOUSLY CAR WASHES OFTEN CONSIDERED TO BE NOISY. UM, SOMETHING WE HAVE UNIQUE ABOUT OUR DESIGN IS MOST EXPRESS STYLE CAR WASHES HAVE THESE LARGE, LOUD VACUUM MOTORS THAT JUST RUN ALL DAY AND THEY'RE REALLY LOUD. WE PUT OURS INSIDE THE BUILDING, SO IT'S KIND OF NEGLIGIBLE, BASICALLY ON THE NOISE ASPECT. UM, THE NOISIEST PART THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR IS THAT THE TUNNEL EXIT, WHICH IS FACING TOWARDS BLANCO ROAD. I'VE PERSONALLY STOOD, UH, ON A REAL BUSY ROAD IN DALLAS OUT IN FRONT OF ONE OF OUR CAR WASHES. TRAFFIC WAS 90 DE OR 70 DECIBELS. OUR CAR WASH STANDING 10 FEET FROM THE EXIT WAS ABOUT 70 TO 80 DECIBELS. UM, FINALLY JUST TO KIND OF TALK MORE ABOUT BLUE WAVE EXPRESS. SO WE, UH, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'RE ALMOST LIKE THE CHICK-FIL-A OF CAR WASHES. WE'RE VERY CUSTOMER SERVICE ORIENTED AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S FAST, IT'S FRIENDLY, IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. UM, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A FEW MORE ITEMS JUST TO HELP REDUCE THE IMPACT ON ANY OF THE SURROUNDING HOMES. SO THERE'S, UH, ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT WE CAN BUY TO KEEP THE WASH EVEN QUIETER. SO THAT'LL REDUCE DECIBELS. AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE TO CONTROL OUR LIGHTING TO WHERE IT'S NOT A NUISANCE TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. UM, WE'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE, I'VE RESPONDED TO MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. UM, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH SAWS AND I KNOW WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH TCAQ AS WELL AND WE'VE RECEIVED THEIR APPROVAL. UM, SO I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME LISTENING TO ME AND REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. YES. FIRST WE HAVE MR. GARY STINNETT AND HE IS TO BE FOLLOWED BY MR. ALBERTO SIERRA. AND JUST A REMINDER, IF ANYONE WANTS TO DONATE THEIR TIME, THEY NEED TO DO SO BEFORE THE SPEAKER STARTS. YES, HONOR AND UP TO TWO PEOPLE CAN DONATE THEIR TIME. AND SIR, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN TELL US YOUR THOUGHTS. YES, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, MY NAME IS GARY STINNETT. I'M WITH THE WASH TUB CAR WASHES. UH, WE, UH, OCCUPY THE PROPERTY AT 1 7 7 8 0 BLANCO ROAD, WHICH IS 125 FEET FROM THIS PROPOSED, UH, CAR WASH THAT'S TRYING TO BE BUILT CLOSE TO US. UM, WE ALL HAVE SEEN THE NUMBER OF CAR WASHES GO UP HERE IN SAN ANTONIO OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS. AND IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER, NEVER EXPECTED FROM BEING IN THE CAR WASH BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS. UH, WE, WE [00:20:01] WELCOME COMPETITION. WE WELCOME CAR WASHES. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF 'EM IN SAN ANTONIO. UH, WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH IS JUST A CAR WASH, YOU KNOW, BEING 125 FEET FROM A CAR WASH THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS. UM, I THINK ON THE DISPLAY RIGHT HERE, THERE'S FIVE OTHER OP OPERATING CAR WASHES WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF THIS SITE. THE AREA DOESN'T NEED ANY MORE CAR WASHES. ALL YOU'RE DOING IS SPLITTING THE BABY. SOMEBODY'S GONNA GET WASH HALF THE OTHER CAR WAS IS GONNA WASH HALF COMPETITIONS COMPETITION. WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THESE GUYS OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF PRIVATE EQUITY MONEY AND THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BUILD AS MANY AND AS FAST AS THEY CAN. YOU KNOW, HENCE THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE SEEN IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THERE WAS ANOTHER CAR WASH THAT TRIED TO DEVELOP ON BLANCO ROAD RIGHT ACROSS FROM THIS ONE. I THINK WE HAD OVER 200 NEIGHBORS THAT WERE SIGNED PETITIONS. YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE OLDER. THEY DON'T GET THE NOTICES IN THE MAIL. IT TAKES THE HOA MEETINGS, TAKES CITY COUNCIL GETTING INVOLVED. YOU KNOW, THIS TIME WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THE PROCESS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT IN FAVOR OF A, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER EXPRESS CAR WASH. SO ANYWAY, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT, MR. ALBERTO SIERRA TO BE FOLLOWED BY MS. LORENA. IRA. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S ALBERTO SIERRA. I LIVE AT 1 8 4 1 7 RUSTING RIDGE. UH, LIVE WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, MY OPPOSITION FOR THE CAR WASH IS BLANCO ROAD. JUST WENT THROUGH A TRANSITION, A SMALLER ROAD TO WIDER ROAD TRAFFIC IS ALREADY HORRENDOUS. WE'RE ADDING A FIFTH, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS CAR WASH TO THE, THE LOCAL AREA. UH, JUST CAUSING MORE CONGESTION, MORE TRAFFIC FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CIARA. MS. LORENA IBARRA. HI, UM, MY NAME IS LOREN IBARRA. I LIVE AT 1 0 1 COUNTRY CLUB LANE AND I'M HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST. ALTHOUGH OUR ADDRESS IS ON COUNTRY CLUB LANE, ACTUALLY WHERE THE HAPPY FACE IS . UM, OUR GARAGE ENTRANCE ONTO BLANCO ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY LESS THAN 200 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE TO THIS PROJECT, I REVIEWED THE CASE PACKET. IT CONTAINS EXTENSIVE INFORMATION REGARDING AQUIFER PRO, UH, PROTECTION AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE. HOWEVER, I DID NOT FIND INFORMATION ADDRESSING HOW THE OPERATIONAL IMPACTS ON THIS PROJECT OR ON NEARBY RESIDENTS WERE EVALUATED, ACTUALLY, THEY SAID THEY SPEAK WITH A, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING DURING THE BLANCO ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, TX.REVIEW OUR DRIVEWAY ACCESS AFTER DETERMINING THAT OUR BLANCO ROAD ENTRANCE WAS NOT PROPERLY REFLECTED IN THE ORIGINAL PLANS. FOLLOWING THAT REVIEW, THE ROADWAY SIGN WAS MODIFIED IN THE AREA OF OUR DRIVEWAY BEFORE THE RECONSTRUCTION. TRAFFIC FREQUENTLY IS LOW AND QUEUED ALONG THIS SECTION OF BLANCO ROAD. TODAY, TRAFFIC MOVES MORE FREELY AND AT A HIGHER SPEED. FOR THAT REASON, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TURNING MOVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAR WASH AT THIS LOCATION. AND I DID NOT FIND INFORMATION IN THE PACKET EXPLAINING HOW THOSE CHANGE ROAD ROADWAY CONDITIONS WERE EVALUATED. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE CUSTOMERS OF THE EXISTING BLUE WAVE FACILITY ON OLD BEATERS ROAD IS NOT ON BLANCO ROAD. BASED ON OUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THE BA VACUUM AREA AND DRYING EQUIPMENT GENERATE NO NOTICEABLE NOISE. THAT FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LOCATING A SIMILAR OPERATION SO CLOSE TO OUR HOME. I RESPECTFULLY ASK TO COMMIT THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE RECORD CONTAINS SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROJECT ON NEARBY RESIDENTS BEFORE APPROVING THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. C BUTLER NEXT. AND THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. MR. SWANSON, YOU'LL HAVE BRIEF REBUTTAL. THREE MINUTES. YES, SIR. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UM, THE WASHTUB, HE'S BEEN A GREAT COMPETITOR. UM, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BEEN IN VICINITY OF HIM. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A TRUE THING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING SPENT THE RESEARCH ON IT, HE'S MORE FOCUSED ON OFFERING A DETAILED SERVICE. WE'RE MORE OF A, YOU CAN GO IN AND BE OUT IN LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES, UM, AND MAYBE HAVE A SIMILAR, WASH IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER JUST 'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR HANDS TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS GREAT. UM, GOING BACK [00:25:01] TO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REACH OUT, I DID REACH OUT TO THEM, UH, WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED IT AND THEN IT WENT TO SAWS. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK. I REQUESTED THAT IF ANYBODY, UH, WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING A MEETING, WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM. WE DON'T WANNA RAMROD ANYTHING THROUGH. WE WANT TO BE THE BEST NEIGHBOR THAT WE CAN BE. UM, AND SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY FEEDBACK AT THAT TIME. ONCE WE RECEIVED SAS APPROVAL, I REACHED OUT AGAIN. UM, I RECEIVED MAYBE ONE UH, EMAIL FROM THEM. AND THEN I'VE RECEIVED A COUPLE THROUGH SAMANTHA. UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE HOA ET CETERA. UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AS MANY, I GUESS, RESOLUTIONS IS POSSIBLE TO ANY CONCERNS. UM, GOING BACK TO THE TRAFFIC ASPECT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HER, UH, DRIVEWAY ENTRY IS VERY CLOSE. UM, IF ANYTHING, MORE CARS COMING THAT WAY. IF THEY'RE SLOWING DOWN AND TURN INTO HER CAR WASH, THAT MIGHT BE A BENEFIT BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE GOING SLOWER BY YOUR HOUSE RIGHT THERE. EASIER TO GET OUT. UM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO, UM, OR WE DO ON EVERY SINGLE CAR WASH, WE HAVE A RECLAIMED SYSTEM FOR ALL OF OUR WATER. SO WE REUSE ABOUT 70% OF OUR WATER. UM, AND IT GETS RECYCLED THROUGH THE WASH. IT GETS TREATED, IT'S CLEAN. UM, IT'S, I WOULDN'T TAKE A BATH IN IT, BUT IT CLEANS YOUR CAR PRETTY GOOD. UM, AND SO WE'RE, UH, WE'VE, THAT'S PART OF OUR SAWS REQUIREMENT AND, UM, WE'LL BE DOING THAT IN THAT LOCATION IN EVERY OTHER LOCATION. UM, SO IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM. UM, JUST LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT NINE CASE COMMISSIONER DUVALL TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. SO TO STAFF, UM, COULD YOU HELP ME OUT? WHAT, WHAT'S THE, UH, CURRENT ZONING FOR THE, UH, THE PROPERTY? IT'S C TWO. OKAY. SO JUST FOR EVERYONE'S, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE, THE REZONE IS TO C TWO S. UH, SO WHAT, WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN C TWO AND C TWO S? THE S WOULD PERMIT THE CAR WASH, UM, WITHIN THE ERCD. OKAY. YEAH. SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY, WHY IS AN S REQUIRED IN THE ERZ? UH, WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE USE NOT BEING PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN C TWO, UM, IT WOULD ALSO BE REQUIRED JUST AS THE USE GENERALLY AND THE USE OVER THE ERZD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE ERZD, THIS WAS WHAT I WASN'T CLEAR ABOUT, EVEN OUTSIDE THE ERZD CAR WASHES ARE STILL NOT ALLOWED BY RIGHT. IN C TWO? CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S IMPORTANT. UM, SO LET'S, LET'S GO OVER THE E RZ DS REQUIREMENT. UH, FIRST, UM, MAYBE COULD I ASK THE, THE SAS REPRESENTATIVE TO COME BACK UP? SORRY TO, SO YEAH, WE, WE HEARD A COUPLE OF CONCERNS FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT, UH, WATER QUALITY AND, AND POLLUTION. UM, I, I DID READ THE, UH, SAW REPORT, BUT COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHAT, WHAT MAKES THIS, UH, UH, ACCEPTABLE OR YEAH, WHAT NO, WHAT WHAT, WHAT MAKES IT ACCEPTABLE BASED ON YOUR ANALYSIS FOR, FOR WATER POLLUTION GIVEN THE SENSITIVITY OF THE, UH, THE RECHO ZONE? RIGHT. SO IN OUR SITE SPECIFIC, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS WE, WE PUT ON THERE AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO IT, IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA RECAPTURE 80% OF THE WASH WATER RECAPTURE AND RECYCLE, WHICH MAKES IT THE CAR WASH CYCLE MORE RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY. AND IT, IT ALSO HELPS WITH COST ON THEIR END. UH, SO THEY'RE NOT UU USING AS MUCH FRESH WATER. UM, THE SAWS CONSERVATION ORDINANCE FOR CAR WASHES IS, UH, CAUSED FOR 50% RECAPTURE AND RECYCLE. SO BECAUSE THIS IS OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE, WE WE'RE REQUIRING HIGHER, A HIGHER, UH, RECAPTURE AND RECYCLE OF 80%. UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS, UH, WE WANT 'EM TO USE BIODEGRADABLE DETERGENTS, UM, WHICH WOULD ALSO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT. AND THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT. THEY'VE ALSO AGREED TO BE PART OF THE SAWS CAR WASH, UH, CONSERVATION PROGRAM. UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE, WHAT ELSE DID WE PUT ON THERE? OH, AND ALSO, UM, THE GRIT TRAPS. SO ALL THE, THE FINE SEDIMENTS THAT, THAT GET WASHED OFF THE, THE VEHICLES, THE UNDERCARRIAGE, UH, GET CAPTURED INTO, UM, INTO A A, A GR TRAP. AND SO THOSE HAVE TO BE, UH, PUMPED OUT MONTHLY CLEANED SO THAT IT DOESN'T BACK UP THE SYSTEM AND IT DOESN'T OVERFLOW INTO OUR, INTO OUR SEWER SYSTEM. UM, AND THEN ALSO LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF IMP RISK COVER, UM, TO 65%, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR A CATEGORY TWO COMMERCIAL LAND USE. SO, YEAH. UH, ALSO IT WAS MENTIONED BY SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY, THE CONCENTRATION OF CAR WASHES IN THIS AREA. UM, DOES THE SAW ANALYSIS [00:30:01] TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CONCENTRATION OF CAR WASHES? UM, NO. I GUESS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S DIFFICULT IF THE ANALYSIS DOESN'T INCLUDE IT, BUT MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME OUT IF, IF HYPOTHETICALLY, UM, I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE CASE, BUT IF HYPOTHETICALLY EVERY USE ON THIS SECTION OF, OF BLANCO, UH, WITHIN THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE WAS, WAS CAR WASHES. RIGHT. UM, AT ANY POINT, WOULD SAWS, REGULATIONS OR ANY OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE, UH, RESTRICTED, WOULD IT EVER BE TRIGGERED IF, SAY LIKE EVERY PROPERTY WAS EMITTING A IT IT'S CASE BY CASE. I MEAN, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION AGAINST THE CAR HAVING A CAR WASH OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE, JUST AS LONG AS THEY, THEY MEET THESE SITE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. AND I GUESS WHO, WHO MAKES THE, THOSE REGULATIONS FOR SAWS? IS THAT A CITY ORDINANCE OR, RIGHT, IT'S THE WATER QUALITY ORDINANCE OR IT'S ALSO CALLED THE AQUIFER PROTECTION ORDINANCE. UH, THE ORDINANCE GOES BACK TO 19, I THINK IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL IN 1994. DECEMBER OF 1994. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO PROBLEM. UH, MAYBE TO, UM, SAMANTHA, AGAIN, UM, THERE ARE, I THINK WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE MAP, UM, THERE WERE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IN THE AREA. ONE WAS WITHIN 200 FEET, UM, ONE'S ACROSS BLANCO ROAD AND I GUESS WASN'T WITHIN THE 200 FOOT. CORRECT. SO COULD, WHAT WERE THE TWO? BLANCO BLUFFS IS WITHIN 200 FEET AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER ONE WAS. SOMETHING CREEK. IF I GO ON GOOGLE MAPS HERE AND LOOK AT THE, UH, STREET VIEW, LET ME SEE, I'M SURE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC KNOW, BUT CANYON CREEK IS BLANCO, BLANCO BLUFFS. WE'RE LOOKING INTO IT RIGHT NOW. GIVE US A SECOND. BLANCO BLUFFS IS WITH, UH, WITHIN THE 200 FEET, WITH THE ONE OUTSIDE IS LIKE CANYON CREEK OR CANYON CREEK. THAT'S IT. SO COULD I ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP? UM, I APPRECIATE, I I KNOW THAT THE, UH, COUNCIL WOMAN'S STAFF REACHED OUT TO YOU AND REALLY ASKED YOU TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR NOTICING THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. DID YOU GUYS MAKE CONTACT WITH, UH, UM, BOTH OF THE HOAS? NO, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION IT WAS JUST ONE OA THAT WAS NEARBY. AND I, I WAS, I, WHAT I REMEMBER IS THAT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET WASN'T A HOA OR THAT IT WASN'T GIVEN LIKE, OH, THAT'S SOMETHING OF CONCERN ACROSS THE STREET. SO I, WE DID NOT, UM, WE MET WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN IN HER, IN HER DISTRICT, UH, BEFORE, UM, WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED AND SHE'D PRIMARILY RECOMMENDED JUST REACHING OUT TO, UH, THE, THE BLANCO BLUFFS ONE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONE IN THE, UH, UH, CORRECT. YEAH. THE, UM, MAYBE COULD YOU CHECK YOUR, YOUR EMAIL WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SIT DOWN AGAIN? I THOUGHT AT SOME POINT WE HAD RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM YOU THAT YOU GUYS HAD HEARD BACK FROM, UH, CANYON, THE OTHER ONE. BUT, BUT JUST GO AHEAD AND CHECK YEAH. WHEN, WHEN YOU SIT BACK DOWN AGAIN. UM, 'CAUSE IT'D BE GOOD TO, GOOD TO KNOW. OKAY. WONDERFUL. UM, SO, UH, I THINK THAT IS IT FOR ME AND I'LL LET, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE AROUND. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER? WHAT'S THAT QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF? UH, IT APPEARS THAT THE LOCATION OF THE OTHER CAR WASH IS C TWO CD, SO THEY DON'T HAVE AN S WERE THEY OLDER OR? SO WHEN I LOOKED UP THAT INFORMATION, LIKE IF I GO TO IT ON ONE STOP, IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A BIT OLDER ON THERE. TYPICALLY THE NEWER ONES WILL HAVE LIKE THE INFORMATION GENERATED ON THE LITTLE WHITE BOX THAT POPULATES. THIS ONE DOESN'T, I DIDN'T LOOK FURTHER INTO IT TO SEE ON THE ORDINANCE, BUT I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE IT'S OLDER, THAT'S WHY IT DOES NOT HAVE THE S SO THE S IS STRICTLY DUE TO THE USE OR IS IT TIED TO THE AQUIFER USE? ALSO BOTH. OKAY. SO MAYBE THEY WERE THERE BEFORE THE AQUIFER RULES CHANGED OR, YEAH, IF, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECT, THAT MAY BE THE WASH TUB AND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR LIKE 40 YEARS. SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT, UH, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT SAYING NONE QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF, JUST TO REMIND ME. UM, SO THIS WOULD BE A C TWO WITH AN S, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A CAR WASH. SO IF, IF, IF THEY WOULD SELL IT IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD ONLY BE ANY KIND OF CT USAGE OR CAR WASH, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. I KNOW IT'S LIKE A SIMPLE QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. UM, AND THEN ONE FOR SIR, [00:35:01] REMIND ME, UM, WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH HAVE YOU GUYS DONE? I KNOW, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU REACHED OUT TO THE COUNCILWOMAN OR, OR TO THE COUNCIL DISTRICT THERE. UM, DID, DID YOU ATTEND A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING? UH, NO, AND I, I OFFERED TO DO THAT, BUT, UM, I, SEVERAL TIMES AT EACH POINT OF CONTACT THAT I HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I SAID, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE WANT TO MEET WITH THEM. UM, IT WASN'T UNTIL MAYBE THE, IN THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT WE'VE STARTED RECEIVING THE FEEDBACK AND SO WE DID NOT ATTEND ANY MEETING. AND WHAT ABOUT, UH, 'CAUSE I, I SEE ON THE WEBSITE, YOU, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND THE SURROUNDING AREA AND ALSO IN, IN OTHER CITIES. UH, DID YOU BLOCK WALK? DID YOU GO AROUND TO THE NEIGHBORS, KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, HEY, HOW'S IT GOING? UH, NO SIR, I DID NOT DO THAT. OKAY. UM, I'M ALWAYS ONE FOR, TO, TO GO OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, DO. UH, BUT THANK YOU SOS UH, REPORT PERSON, MIKE. RIGHT. I HAVE A QUE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, IN REGARDING TO WHERE YOU'RE WALKING UP. WHERE WERE THESE CAR WASHES? 45 YEARS AGO WAS MY DADDY SAID, LET ME WASH THE CARS WITH A MANTA. RIGHT AS YOU DRINK THE WATER FROM THE MANTA. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, DRINK THE WATER FROM THE HOSE AND HAVE FUN. ANYWAY, I DIGRESS. UH, REMIND ME, YOU SAID 80% OF THE WATER IS RECAPTURED, RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER 20%? IS IT JUST GO INTO THE DRAIN? UH, IT PROBABLY DOES, IT PROBABLY DOES GO INTO THE SEWER. I MEAN, HE'S THE CAR WASH EXPERT. OKAY. WOULD ASK. GOT, GOT YOU. LET ME ASK YOU. YES, GO. COME UP SIR. UH, SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR TANKS. THERE'S THREE 2000 GALLON TANKS MM-HMM . UM, AND THERE'S DIFFERENT CHAMBERS AND SETUPS AND MATERIALS INSIDE OF IT, BASICALLY WHERE IT CLEANS THE WATER. AND SO YOU WASH YOUR CAR, ALL THE WATER INSIDE THE TUNNEL DRAINS INTO A TRENCH, UH, IT'S SPLIT KIND OF AT THE LAST QUARTER. IT GRABS THE WATER THAT HAS THE, UH, MORE OIL BASED STUFF FOR LIKE YOUR TIRE SHINE, THAT SORT OF THING. ANYTHING ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR CAR, UM, THAT GOES IN DIRECTLY INTO A SAND WHEEL SEPARATOR TO GET THAT OUT. UM, BUT THEN ALL THE OTHER WATER, IT GOES THROUGH THREE TANKS, CLEANS IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, THREE, 2000 GALLON TANKS AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE SAND WHEEL SEPARATOR AS WELL. UM, AND SO IT THEN IT HEADS BACK INTO OUR WASH VIA PUMP. GOTCHA. AND THEN THE REMAINDER OF 20%, UM, I MEAN ALL OF IT IS BEING TREATED, IT'S JUST THAT 20% GETS SENT BACK TOWARDS THE CITY. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, AND IT'LL BE FOR YOU SIR. UM, IF, IF THIS PASSES, UH, ARE YOU WILLING TO WORK WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE CLOSE BY OF MAYBE PUTTING A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE PUTTING A HIGHER FENCING OR SOME KIND OF SOUND PROTECTION? OR, OR FOR SURE. OKAY. WE'RE ALREADY PLANNING TO DO THAT. SO AT THE, THE TUNNEL EXIT, WHICH IS FACING BLANCA ROAD MM-HMM . WHEN YOU COME OUT, THE LOUDEST PORTION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON OUR SITE IS ALL THE BLOWERS THAT DRY OFF YOUR CAR. AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE IS, I KNOW YOU WANNA DO THAT, I'M ASSUMING YOU WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND, AND I'M SURE THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES AND GIVING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THE SCHOOLS AND THE KIDS AND ALL THAT. AND THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. UM, BUT MAYBE GET WITH THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORS, LIKE SAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, I ALWAYS SAY THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS AND THEN THERE'S THE DIRECT NEIGHBORS AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T REALLY OVERLAP. RIGHT. UH, BUT MEET WITH THEM. JUST, YOU KNOW, SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE. WAS IT, IS THERE A GYMS UP THERE, I THINK IN THE CORNER, UH, OR SOMEWHERE AND JUST KIND OF MEET YEAH. MEET, MEET SOMEWHERE WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE, WHAT WOULD YOU, UH, UH, LIKE FOR US TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR FOR THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I'M HAPPY TO PUT UP A, LIKE A SCREEN WALL, THAT SORT OF THING ON THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SECOND ROUND. GOING LEFT. UM, REALLY QUICK JUST TO COME BACK TO COMMISSIONER WIT'S, UH, QUESTION. WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THE ORDINANCE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE AN S ASSOCIATED WITH IT. UM, WHICH COULD BE UPDATED WITH ITSD, BUT IT WAS REZONED FOR AN S OVER THE ERZD AND THEN A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE CAR WASH ITSELF. WHEN WHAT YEAR? IN 1991. 1991. OKAY. SO IT DOES HAVE AN S IT JUST, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER VE SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS. YEAH. LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE UP AGAIN. SO I BET YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND THAT EMAIL, UH, ABOUT CANYON CREEK BLUFFS? UH, NOT YET, NO. OKAY. WELL THAT IS BECAUSE, UH, THAT WAS MY MISTAKE. I MIXED UP MY NOTES. OKAY. UM, IT, IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, I'D GOTTEN AN EMAIL FROM THE, UH, THE COUNCILWOMAN STAFF, UM, THAT THEY HAD SPOKEN WITH THE PRESIDENT OF CANYON CREEK BLUFFS, MR. DON YORK. UM, AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT CANYON CREEK BLUFFS WAS NOT GONNA OBJECT TO THE PROJECT. UM, SO HAVE YOU, OR HAS, HAS, I GUESS, TO STAFF AS WELL, UM, HAVE EITHER OF YOU GUYS RECEIVED ANY FORMAL OPPOSITION OR SUPPORT FROM EITHER OF THE TWO HOAS? UM, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT WAS FORWARDED BY BLANCO BLUFFS, BUT IT WASN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE FORWARDING A COMMUNITY LIKE SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BECAUSE THE ADDRESS PROVIDED WAS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT NOTHING COMING SPECIFICALLY FROM JESSICA WHO WAS, UH, SENT THE ORIGINAL EMAIL STATING THAT BLANCO [00:40:01] BLUFFS THEMSELVES ARE OPPOSED. YEAH, I I JUST RECALL, I, I KNOW THAT YOU HAD, UH, FORWARDED A NUMBER OF EMAILS TO THE, THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE HOA. YES. UM, WERE THEY, THEY WERE NON-RESPONSIVE. THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT I SAW BEFORE. YEAH, BASICALLY SHE JUST SAID, RECEIVED, I'LL PUT, PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY. AND I, I HADN'T HEARD ANYTHING. WE'RE HAPPY TO ATTEND ANY MEETINGS, UM, BUT WE HAD NOT HEARD ANYTHING. OKAY. UM, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, BEFORE I LET YOU GO, BUT, UH, NOISE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE BEFORE ON OTHER PROJECTS. UM, HOW DOES THE NOISE ORDINANCE APPLY TO CAR WASHES? UM, SO AGAIN, LIKE IF YOU WERE TO DO AN NR IT WOULDN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING FOR THE CAR WASH. 'CAUSE THAT'S FOR LIKE AMPLIFIED SPEAKER, LIKE NOISE, LIKE MUSIC AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, SO OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOTHING ASSOCIATED WITH C TWO SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD RESTRICT NOISE OR REDUCE IT. SO GENERALLY THE CITY HAS A, A NOISE ORDINANCE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, SOMEONE, SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE, WHICH IS REGULATED BY SAPD. GOT IT. OKAY. AND, AND WHAT GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THE NOISE ORDINANCE WORK TO, IT WOULD BE BASICALLY A CERTAIN, UH, NOISE DECIBEL, UH, CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS AGAIN REGULATED BY SAPD. SURE, SURE. BUT I MEAN, JUST, UH, ONE OF THE, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAME WITH CONCERNS ABOUT SOUND MM-HMM . SO I, I JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION ON THE RECORD FOR THEM OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ASPECTS, SO SAPD NOT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD BE THE REGULATING BODY. UH, BUT COULD SOMEBODY HELP ME OUT WITH LOOKING UP, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE DECIBEL LIMITS? SO THAT IF SAY THE THE RESIDENT WANTED TO GET A DECIBEL METER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY COULD MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UH, MAYBE IF SOMEBODY COULD HELP ME LOOK FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, IT DOES SEEM LIKE RIGHT, THE S FOR SPECIAL USE AUTHORIZATION IS ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY FOR CAR WASHES. MM-HMM . I'M SURE ONE OF THE CONCERNS WHY THE COUNCIL REQUIRED A SPECIAL USE AUTHORIZATION IN C TWO IS NOISE. UH, BUT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE NOISE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO, YOU KNOW, KNOW HOW MANY DECIBELS THEY COULD ACTUALLY MEET. UM, BUT I'LL LET OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT ARTICLE THREE, NOISE OF CHAPTER 21, WHICH IS THE CITY CODE SECTION, SO IT'S NOT IN THE UDC, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE CITY CODE. UM, WHAT I'M PULLING UP IS THE DECIBEL LEVEL ON BUSINESS ZONE PROPERTY, UH, SHOULD NOT EXCEED 70 DECIBELS. AND, AND THAT'S MEASURED FROM THE, THE BUSINESS PROPERTY MEASURED FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND, AND, AND THEN KEEP IN MIND THAT APPLIES ONLY DURING CERTAIN HOURS AS WELL. IT'S NOT ALL THE TIME. GOT IT. BUT, SO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO WANT TO ENFORCE THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THEY'D HAVE TO GO AND TAKE A DECIBEL READING ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER. UH, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? SEEING NONE QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALL RIGHT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. COMMISSIONER VE TO YOU AS THIS IS A DISTRICT NINE CASE FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. SO, UH, YOU, YOU WILL HAVE HEARD THAT THEY OPENED UP ANOTHER, UH, CAR WASH NOT FAR, UM, DOWN BLANCO ROAD MUCH CLOSER TO, TO WHERE I LIVE. IT'S ACTUALLY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UH, THE SYNAGOGUE THAT I, THAT I WALK TO EVERY WEEK. UM, SO I'M OFTEN ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. UM, AND WHEN THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE, IT DID STRIKE ME THAT ACTUALLY, YEAH, I'VE NEVER NOTICED IT OVER THE SOUND OF TRAFFIC ON BLANCO ROAD SINCE OUR SYNAGOGUE'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET FROM THE, FROM THE CAR WASH. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THAT, UM, HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, AS YOU KNOW, PER THE SAS REPORT, UM, THE ISSUE OF WATER POLLUTION OR CONTAMINATION I THINK HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY SOME OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO. UH, I WANT TO JUST MENTION ON THE ISSUE OF, UH, UH, COMPETITION, UM, IT, IT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY THE PURVIEW OF THE ZONING COMMISSION. UM, WHETHER, WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT THINKS THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE MONEY IN COMPETITION WITH ALL THE EXISTING CAR WASHES SEEMS TO ME TO BE, YOU KNOW, THEIR PROBLEM, NOT REALLY OUR PROBLEM. UM, IF THE MARKET DOESN'T SUPPORT IT, THEN THEY, THEY WON'T BE SUCCESSFUL. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE, THE ZONING COMMISSION TO, TO DECIDE IF IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL OR NOT. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE, TO THE, THE RESIDENTS WHO CAME OUT TODAY AND TO THOSE WHO SUBMITTED VOICEMAILS AND EMAILS, UM, I THINK THAT THE CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, NOISE AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION I THINK HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED [00:45:01] WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, SO, AND UH, AND, AND ALSO TO MENTION THE FACT THAT THE, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER CAR WASH A COUPLE OF, UH, LOTS AWAY. UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY, I THINK, MORE REASON TO SAY WHY IT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE, UH, TO HAVE A CAR WASH. 'CAUSE THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING CAR WASH THAT'S BEEN OPERATING FOR, YOU KNOW, 40 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WITH THAT, UM, I WILL BE MOVING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UM, OF THE ITEM. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION. LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. DISCUSSION. LOOKING RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. UH, JUST SAY THAT, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MOTION, UH, JUST BECAUSE YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF CAR WASHES, BUT HEY, AT LEAST THE KIDS ARE NOT OUT THERE WITH THEM. ANDES. JUST KIDDING. UM, BUT YEAH, FOR ZONING PURPOSES, MY, MY BIGGEST THING IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT UPGRADING, IT'S GONNA MAINTAIN A C TWO STATUS WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CAR WASH ON THERE. SO, UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE DRASTICALLY CHANGING BUT, UM, SINCE ZONING DOES GO WITH, WITH LAND USE AND DOES FOLLOW THAT, UH, BUT THAT'LL BE ME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? RIGHT. ALRIGHT, BRIEFLY, UH, LAST WORD, UH, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA POSE THE MOTION, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPETITION. I THINK THE RIGHT WORD AND PUN IS INTENDED IS SATURATION. UH, WE FREQUENTLY LOOK AT THE SATURATION OF SIMILAR USES, UH, WHETHER IT'S CAR SALES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, THAT CAN BE VIEWED, UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND IN THIS CASE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CHANGING ZONING, UH, THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND, UH, FOR A USE WHERE WITHIN A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET IS ALREADY EXISTING USES. THERE'S THE EXACT SAME VENDOR TWO MILES DOWN THE ROAD AND THREE OTHERS, UH, WITHIN THAT SPACE. SO THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT BY COMMISSIONER DUVALL WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER DUVALL AYE. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER EF? NO. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER WIT UP? YES. COMMISSIONER PANA? NO. CHAIR BUSANTE? NO MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UH, YOU'LL BE GOING ON TO CITY COUNCIL. YOU'LL HAVE SIX MONTHS TO DO SO. UH, FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP, YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE YOUR OBJECTIONS AT CITY COUNCIL. I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE APPLICANT THAT YOU CONTINUE OUTREACH. UH, AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU. ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, PLEASE. WE ARE, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO. SORRY. I UNDERSTAND. I NEED TO TALK TO THE COURT THOUGH. I CAN'T HELP YOU. OKAY. YOU CAN ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE, YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ALEXA RATANA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS LOCATED AT 93 30 NORTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10 GOING FROM C TWO AND A CD COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TRUCK REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY TO C TWO AND A CD COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR TRUCK REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY WITH THE MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 23 NOTICES SENT OUT. THREE IN FAVOR. ONE OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET. EASTGATE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED AND OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET, THERE ARE EIGHT IN FAVOR AND 15 OPPOSED. THE EXISTING C TWO. AN A CD COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR TRUCK REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO AN A CD COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR TRUCK REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY WITH THE MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT ZONING BUT IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING PROCESS TO ACCOMMODATE A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT SINCE THEY'RE PROPOSING AN INCREASE IN THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THE ORIGINAL 5,000 SQUARE FEET. SORRY. SORRY. I WAS JUST GONNA TELL YOU MA'AM, YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT OUT THAT DOOR TO THE RESTROOM IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING. FROM THE ORIGINAL 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET, THE NATURE OF THE USE WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS EXISTED ON THE PROPERTY SINCE THE PREVIOUS REZONING IN 2016 AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ALONG INTERSTATE LOOP FOUR 10. WHILE THERE ARE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, THERE WILL BE REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERING ALONG THE PORTION [00:50:01] OF THE PROPERTY THAT ABUTS THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUE QUESTIONS AND THERE WILL BE A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PRESENT MR. GALLEGOS IN WHAT LOOKS LIKE POSSIBLY A TUSSLE OR A HUG? UH, COULD BE EITHER ONE. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. MY APOLOGIES. ALL RIGHT, MS. GALLOS, COME ON UP. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOSE GALLEGOS. I RESIDE AT TWO 14 WEST ACADEMY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS, AND, UH, IN THE VERY PROPER DISTRICT FIVE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, I'M HERE TODAY. I'M NOT GONNA BELITTLE, UH, OR BELABOR, UH, THE, THE CASE. UH, THIS IS A PRETTY CUT AND DRY CASE. THIS IS, UH, A CASE THAT IS NOT A CHANGE IN ZONING, BUT A, UM, UM, UH, SITE PLANNED AMENDMENT. A MAJOR SITE PLANNED AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD CONSTITUTE ONE SMALL CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL DOWN ZONING THAT OCCURRED 10 YEARS AGO WOULD CONSTITUTE A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. UH, I WOULD BE REMISS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I WOULD NOT FIRST OF ALL THANK AND RECOGNIZE, UH, YOUR COMMISSIONER, UM, MS. LOFF FOR, UH, PARTICIPATING IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, MEETING YESTERDAY AS WELL AS, UH, UH, CITY STAFF AND, UH, AND THE NAME OF KELLY SHEPHERD. SO THANK YOU BOTH FOR PARTICIPATING IN OUR COMMUNITY MEETING. WE HAD A 95-YEAR-OLD RESIDENT, UH, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT ATTENDED OUR COMMUNITY MEETING YESTERDAY. HE WAS IN SUPPORT, UM, OF OUR APPLICATION. HE HAS RESIDED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LAST 70 YEARS. THE GENTLEMAN IS 95 YEARS OLD. REGRETTABLY, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON. I HAD WANTED HIM VERY MUCH TO BE HERE. UH, HOWEVER, HE WAS NOT HERE. UH, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WE TOOK NOTE OF THE CONCERN THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD AND, UH, TO THAT FACT WE, UH, AMENDED THE SITE PLAN EVEN MORE. WE, UH, PUSHED IT BACK TOWARDS THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET, WHICH NOW HAS A TOTAL OF 55 FEET SETBACK FROM THE BACK REAR PROPERTY LINE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE HAS SHRUBBERY IN THE BACK, UM, HAS SHRUBBERY ON THE BA FRONT. THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, UH, WAS SUBJECTED TO A, UM, IRRIGATION AND A SITE PLANT AS WELL. UM, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS, HAS BEEN THAT THE TRAILERS WOULD BE GOING INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THERE ARE SIGNS THAT ARE POSTED VERY, VERY PROMINENTLY, UH, ALL ALONG THOSE STREETS. IT WOULD PROHIBIT THOSE, UH, TRAILERS FROM GOING IN THERE. THE EXTENT OF THIS TRAILERS, THEY COME IN, THEY GET FIXED, THEY GET REPAIRED, AND THEN THEY, THEY LEAVE FROM THERE. UH, SO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY GRAS OR EGRESS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, MR. ALVARADO HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1983 CONDUCTING THIS SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS AND [00:55:02] SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THIS IS A STRAIGHT OUT LAND USE AND I THINK A GOOD AND PROPER ZONING. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION. I PRAY THAT YOU WILL SEE JUST IN GRANTING THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GALLEGOS. UM, ALRIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT, MS. SYLVA. I'M SORRY, SYLVIA ESE, I PROMISE I'LL GET YOUR NAME RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. MS. ESE, IF YOU'D SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. SYLVIA ESE EIGHT 30 STUDS DRIVE. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF EASTGATE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR 20 YEARS. THIS IS MY LAST YEAR, UH, THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ANY ZONING, . I'VE SEEN 'EM ALL. OKAY. UM, I DO KNOW, UH, I'M SORRY. UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, I DO KNOW JAYLEN, BUT ME AND JAYLEN, WE, UH, HE, IT IS BUSINESS. IT'S STRICTLY BUSINESS AND WE KNOW OURSELVES PERSONALLY, BUT, UM, HE TAKES HIS JOB SERIOUS AND I DO TOO. OKAY. SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM. I HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE THAT I WANNA MENTION REAL QUICKLY. UH, MR. ALVARADO REYES FROM THE TRUCKING COMPANY, HE'S COME TO MY HOUSE. WE HAVE TALKED, UM, THE FRONT OF HIS BUILDING HAS LIKE FOUR OF THE STALLS. I'M GONNA CALL IT STALLS WHERE THE TRUCKING CAN GO. BUT THEN HE HAS THEM OUTSIDE. THAT'S WHY HE WANTS TO BUILD MORE. HE, HE GOT, UH, MORE BUSINESS, RIGHT? AND TO PUT MORE BUILDING ON THE SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE. UM, UM, I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO GET RID OF THIS, UH, INDUSTRIAL MACHINES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL, UM, THE 18 WHEELERS. THEY KEEP COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S HIS CUSTOMERS, BUT WHEN THE FREEWAY, THE 10 AND THE, AND THE FOUR 10, THEY'RE FIXING IT. THEY COME, THEY TRY TO GET A SHORT WAY CUT AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME EIGHT, UH, 18 WHEELERS RIGHT THERE. THEY STILL COME INTO OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'RE HAVING A $20 MILLION PROJECT BOND MONEY TO HAVE US A DRAINAGE AND STUFF. THESE TRUCKS ARE NOT, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS TOO LITTLE, SO WE'RE OPPOSING OF THIS. IT MEANS THAT MR. ALVARDO NEEDS MORE SPACE AND HE NEEDS TO GO TO THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, NOT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. ANI. NEXT. AND THAT IS IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. ALRIGHT. UH, MR. GALLEGOS, DO YOU WANT A BRIEF REBUTTAL? WHERE DID, OH, THERE YOU GO. . I LEFT, HE LEFT HIS HAT UP HERE. I THOUGHT HE MIGHT'VE DISAPPEARED. , I'M STILL HERE. MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, I ALSO LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. ALVARADO. WHO WOULD LIKE TO SAY? UH, NOPE. IF, IF SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION, THEY CAN ASK HIM, BUT SINCE YOU WERE THE REPRESENTATIVE, WE GENERALLY TRY TO LIMIT, LIMIT IT TO ONE PERSON TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, SO ANY BRIEF REBUTTAL? I WILL, I'M SORRY. BRIEF REBUTTAL, SIR, THERE'S NO REBUTTAL YOUR HONOR. UH, THANK YOU JUDGE , NOT A JUDGE , UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, THE ONLY REBUTTAL THAT I HAVE IS THAT I PRAY THAT YOU ALL CONDUCT GOOD AND PROPER ZONING THAT YOU VOTE FOR GOOD AND PROPER ZONING. OKAY. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, A BUSINESS THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE 1983 IS A SMALL BUSINESSMAN WHO IS TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING EMPLOYEES 14 EMPLOYEES PROVIDES TO THE ECONOMY OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. GALLOS. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE, SO COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THANKS. CAN I INVITE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER TO COME UP? SAY WHAT YOU EVER YOU WANNA SAY MR. RADO? HELLO, MY NAME IS, UH, REYES ALVARDO. I OWN TEXAS TRUCK SHOP. UM, ALL, ALL I WANT TO DO IS MAKE GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY THAT I DO HAVE. I DON'T WANNA BUY ANY MORE PROPERTY. ALL I WANNA DO IS MAKE [01:00:01] GOOD A GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS FOR MY EMPLOYEES. UM, I DON'T WANT 'EM TO WORK OUT IN THE COLD ON THE HEAT AND THE RAIN. 'CAUSE WHEN I BUILT MY SHOP, IT WAS 35 YEARS AGO AND I ONLY BUILT IT 50 FOOT WIDE. BACK THOSE DAYS THE TRAILERS WERE 48 FOOT WIDE. NOW THEY'RE 57 FOOT WIDE. THEY DON'T FINISH THE SHOP ANYMORE. I JUST WANNA MAKE A GOOD, MAKE MY, GIVE MY EMPLOYEES GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS AND BE ABLE TO FIT THOSE BIG TRAILERS IN THE SHOP. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO DO. I DON'T WANNA MAKE, I DON'T NEED MORE BUSINESS. I ALREADY HAVE PLENTY OF BUSINESS. AND THESE TRUCKS, THEY DON'T GO BACK THERE IN THE BACK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE THEY DON'T FIT. THEY'RE TOO BIG. AND TRUCK DRIVERS KNOW A LOT BETTER. THEY GO BACK IN THE SMALL STREETS AND GET BACK IN THERE AND TRY TO TURN 'EM AROUND 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO. AND I SEEN THE PICTURE OF SOME GUY THAT YOU SHOWED SITTING IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK. THAT'S THE GUY THAT'S TRIMMING THE TREES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SEE, HE BELONGS THERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S FALSE INFORMATION RIGHT? THERE SHE'S GIVING YOU. SO THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY FOR YOU GUYS. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. RADO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF, SO I KNOW, YES. UM, THERE IS A LOT OF SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION SHARED ON THIS PROJECT. I THINK YOU ALSO TALKED DIRECTLY TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. CAN YOU SHARE, UM, THE SUMMARY OF WHAT ALL THE ENGAGEMENT LOOKED LIKE FROM CITY DSD STAFF AND ALSO PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NEIGHBORS ON THIS PROJECT? YEAH. SO CITY STAFF MAILED OUT, UM, THE CITY NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 FEET. UM, I WILL SAY THAT MOST OF THE OPPOSITION AND SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, CAME DIRECTLY FROM BOTH PARTIES. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEN THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND THE APPLICANT, UH, CANVASSING THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THEIR OWN. SO ALL OF THE, UH, I THINK ALL BUT ONE OF THE RESPONSES THAT WE RECEIVED WERE DIRECTLY FROM SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION PETITIONS. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND THEN CAN I GET THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER BACK UP AGAIN? SORRY TO MAKE YOU SIT DOWN. I CAN ASK MY QUESTION AS YOU'RE COMING UP. I JUST, JUST WANTED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THE INTENDED USE FOR THE PROPERTY. LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS ITEM, THERE WAS QUESTIONS AROUND IF THE, IF YOU EXPECT THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS AND THE AMOUNT OF TRUCKS YOU REPAIR TO INCREASE DUE TO THE SITE PLAN OR IF, OR IF THERE'S ANOTHER USE FOR IT. BUT IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT YOUR HOPE IS FOR THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. LAST TIME WE HAD QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT IF THIS AMENDED SITE PLAN THAT YOU SUBMITTED, WILL YOU EXPECT IT TO INCREASE YOUR WORK AMOUNT. OH. OH. SO I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU COULD CLARIFY IF THAT'S YOUR INTENTION. NO, NO, NO, NO. IT'S NOT ABOUT INCREASING MY BUSINESS. IT'S ABOUT GIVING MY EMPLOYEES GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WORKING IN THE HOT SUN, THE COLD WEATHER, THE RAIN. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. THE TRAILERS DON'T FIT IN THE SHOP. IT'S TOO SMALL. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. IT'S NOT ABOUT MORE BUSINESS. I HAVE PLENTY OF BUSINESS AND, UH, I JUST DON'T WANT ANY MORE BUSINESS 'CAUSE I CAN'T HANDLE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I GOTTA SAY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THEN ONE MORE THING, UM, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE TRUCKS. CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THE TRUCKS CAN ENTER AND EXIT ON THIS PROPERTY? THEY COME IN THROUGH THE FRONT, FRONT GATE. THEY GOT A, I GOT A 45 FOOT GATE IN THE FRONT. THEY COME IN THERE, WE TURN 'EM AROUND IN THERE, AND THEN THEY EXIT OUT. THEY, THEY DON'T BACK OUT INTO THE STREET AT ALL. THAT'S JUST A NO, NO RULE FOR MY SHOP. WE'VE NEVER, UH, BLOCKED THE TRAFFIC OUTSIDE TO GET OUT OR TO GET IN. WE GET PLENTY OF ROOM TO GET IN THERE AND GET OUT. WE KEEP IT THAT WAY. WE DON'T, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T TAKE ANY MORE BUSINESS THAN WE HAVE. 'CAUSE WE NEED ROOM TO TURN OUR TRUCKS AROUND IN THERE. YEP. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M, I'M GOOD ON QUESTIONS FOR NOW. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LO QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER ELL, UH, MAYBE FOR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE OR FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I, I LOOKED AT, UH, GOOGLE MAPS ON, UH, STUTZ STUTZ DRIVE, WHICH IS THE, UH, IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT OVER FROM YOUR PROPERTY. UM, I CAN SEE JUST FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A, A EXISTING WROUGHT IRON FENCE. YEAH. UM, I SEE ON YOUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UH, THAT YOU PROPOSED PUTTING IN SOME SHRUBBERY, UH, BUT DIDN'T PROPOSE MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE. NO, I DO HAVE SHRUBBERY. I DO HAVE SHRUBBERY, BUT THAT, THAT DROUGHT WE HAD, WE JUST GOT OUT OF IT, DRIED UP SOME OF MY SHRUBS. UH, SO, UM, MY NEXT STEP IS TO REPLACE THE DRIED UP SHRUB SHRUBBERY. RIGHT NOW, I, UH, SO I, I'M WONDERING IF, UH, ANYONE CAN BE CONSIDERED MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WRT IRON FENCE FOR, UH, NOISE CONTAINMENT OR, UH, I MEAN LIKE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH. SO PUTTING SCREENING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE, WELL, THAT'S THE REASON I WANNA EXPAND MY BUILDING. KEEP EVERYTHING INSIDE, KEEP THE NOISE INSIDE. [01:05:01] THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORK OUTSIDE DISTURB OUR NEIGHBORS. IF I PUT EVERYTHING INDOORS, THAT PROBLEM GOES AWAY. SO I, I GUESS, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION THIS WAY. WOULD, WOULD YOU GUYS, UH, WOULD YOU BE IN STRONG OBJECTION TO MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FENCE FOR SCREENING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS? WHATEVER WE, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO, WE'LL DO IT. UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, ALSO LAST MEETING AS COMMISSIONER UH, LOAF SAID, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HOW THE INCREASE IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD ALLOW FOR INCREASED CAPACITY. AM I UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY TODAY THAT YOU'RE CLARIFYING THAT THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT? THE INTENT IS NOT TO MA NO. USE THAT MAXIMUM CAPACITY? NO, AT THAT TIME, TO ME, IT SEEMED LIKE HE WOULD LEAD ME IN THAT DIRECTION, WANTING ME TO SAY THAT I WAS GONNA INCREASE MY BUSINESS. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT GIVING MY WORK, MY EMPLOYEES GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS ONLY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. OKAY. THE OTHER STUFF, THEY LED ME INTO IT. I, I, I THINK THAT WAS ME. OH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU DID , BUT NO, NO, THAT, THAT'S A, A VERY IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION, UM, UH, TO STAFF QUICKLY. UH, THE POINT OF A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE INTENT OF THE INTENSITY OF THE USE. IT ONLY HAS TO DO WITH THE INCREASE IN THE CAPACITY. CORRECT. THE INCREASE IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YES. SO THE CAPACITY, ALRIGHT. BUT AS A COMMISSION, JUST PROCEDURALLY AS A COMMISSION, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, WE STILL CAN CONSIDER THE APPLICANT'S, YOU KNOW, INTENT FOR THAT. I MEAN, IT'S STILL RELEVANT FOR THE ANALYSIS. RIGHT. I'M SORRY, KIND OF REPHRASE THE QUESTION. WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING? SO I MEAN, THE, THE, THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. CORRECT. BUT AS A COMMISSION, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL FOR THE MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, IT'S CERTAINLY RELEVANT TO US TO CONSIDER THE INTENT OF THE APPLICANT IN INCREASING THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, ISN'T IT? CORRECT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUVALL QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER? WHAT THAT, JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. SO IF HE WAS JUST INCREASING IT 500 SQUARE FEET, HE'D STILL HAVE TO BE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. TO MY LEFT QUESTIONS, SEEING NONE QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, FOR MYSELF, WALK, NOT NECESSARILY WALK ME THROUGH THIS, BUT YOU'RE ADDING ON THE SITE PLAN. CAN YOU GET A POINTER AND JUST, JUST REMIND ME AGAIN MAYBE JUST MY EYES, WHAT THAT AREA TO THE RIGHT IS WHAT YOU'RE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. CAN YOU POINT AT THE ADDITIONAL USAGE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD OR THE BUILDING IS YOU'RE GONNA ADD ON THE BIG YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEW ADDITION RIGHT HERE. AND THE EXISTING BUILDING IS RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT. CORRECT. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. SO WE'LL HAVE THIS HERE AND THEN THIS AREA OVER HERE AGAIN. AND WHAT IS THAT AREA? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THAT AREA? ANOTHER BAY? UH, THAT'S GONNA BE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT, WHAT, UH, THE INTENT IS. UH, COMMISSIONER IS THAT NOW, UH, THOSE DOORS, WE HAVE BAY DOORS RIGHT HERE. UHHUH, ALL IN THE BACK AND IN THE FRONT. THERE'S, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I BELIEVE THERE'S A TOTAL OF FOUR FOUR DOORS, FOUR GARAGE DOORS HERE IN FRONT? YES. I, I CAN SEE ON GOOGLE MAPS AND I, I DROVE BY THE AREA AT I'M IN. BUT, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS GOING TO BE THREE BAYS. THREE BAYS. THREE BAYS. AND WHAT, WHAT THE INTENT IS THAT THE TRUCKS WILL BE ABLE TO GO IN HERE OKAY. IN THIS AREA AND GO THROUGH HERE WOULD BE GOING INTO THIS AREA AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKED ON. GOT YOU. AND THEN THE, 'CAUSE WHAT I SEE ON GOOGLE MAP, SO THE ENTRANCE IS ON THAT, THE FRONTAGE ROAD OF, OF OF FOUR 10 RIGHT THERE. IS THAT THE ONLY ENTRANCE YOU HAVE OR DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE LIKE FOR SMALL CARS? NO, SIR. THAT IS THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY. ANY INGRESS AND EGRESS IS DONE RIGHT THERE. OKAY, OKAY. RIGHT THERE IN, IN THE FRONT. AND IT HAS, IF I, YOU SAID HOW LONG? 45 FOOT, 45 FOOT APPROACH OR DRIVEWAY THERE. OKAY. AND THEN A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO WHEN, REMIND ME, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU WORK ON THE, ON THE TRUCKS, DO THEY COME IN BY APPOINTMENT? DO RECORDS BRING THEM IN? IS IT A MIXTURE? SOMETIMES. SOMETIMES THE APPOINTMENT, BUT SOMETIMES THEY JUST DROP IN. BUT THEY, WE ONLY HAVE LIKE FIVE ACCOUNTS AND WE ONLY SERVICE THOSE TRUCKS. ONLY ONCE IN A WHILE WE GET SOMEBODY WALKING OFF THE STREET. 'CAUSE UH, THEY HAVE LIKE A SAD STORY THAT, UH, THAT BROKE DOWN. THEY GOT A FAMILY WITH 'EM. SO WE DO WHAT WE CAN HELP 'EM OUT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE ONLY WORK A FEW TRUCKS [01:10:01] AND WE TRY TO CONTROL THE FLOW IN THE FLOW OUT SO WE DON'T GET SO, UH, CONGESTED. SO CLUTTERED UP, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO IN, BUT MY CUSTOMER WOULD BE ABLE TO GO IN, TURN AROUND IN THE FRONT AND HEAD BACK OUT WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM. OTHERWISE THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT STUFF. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? SECOND ROUND TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER LO UH, CAN I GET, UH, MS. ESE UP? YES. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW YOU REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS THE PRESIDENT. UM, AND I WANTED TO CONFIRM IF YOU ALL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION UNDERSTOOD THAT. I GUESS I WANNA KNOW IF IT WAS COMMUNICATED THAT YOU, THE INTENT FOR THE SITE WAS NOT TO EXPAND THE USE AND JUST TO PROVIDE SHADE FOR THE WORKERS. YES. IT WAS EXPLAINED TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE SIGNING THE, THE PETITION THAT THERE WERE, UH, THAT HE WANTED TO, TO PUT, UH, INSTEAD OF WORK WORKING OUTSIDE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HE WANTED TO PUT MORE STALLS, THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT. AND SO THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, UH, INSTEAD OF PARKING 'EM OUTSIDE, THIS MAN NEEDS MORE SPACE. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. AND INSTEAD OF PARKING THEM OUTSIDE OF HIS FACILITY WHERE THERE'S A BIG DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT, THAT'S ALL THEY INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT HE HAS. SO I, I HAVE SEEN HIM THAT THEY'RE FULL AND HE HAS 'EM RIGHT THERE. SO, I MEAN, HE IS WORKING. HE HAS OVERLOAD. WHAT, WHAT HE REALLY, IF HE HAS FOUR ALL WELL, NICE TO BUT YOU HAVE MORE WORK AND MORE WORK. AND HE'S MENTIONED TO ME IN THE PAST THAT HE'S WANTS TO BUY THIS LOT AND THIS LOT AND, AND AND CHAIR BETWEEN HIS SONS. SO HE HAS MORE INTENTIONS LATER ON. BUT WE'RE A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. COME ON. LEAVE US ALONE. . THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, THIS IS GONNA BE BOTH FOR YOURSELF AND ALSO FOR THE OWNER. BUT THE, THERE HAD BEEN CONVERSATION THAT THE, THE INCREASE AMOUNT OF COVERED SPACE WAS BECAUSE THE SIZE OF THE TRUCKS HAVE INCREASED OVER TIME. WAS THAT COMMUNICATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? NO. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. I'M GONNA ASK THE PROPERTY OWNER, CAN YOU EXPLAIN A BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? IF THE, THE SHADING IS INTENDED FOR, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOT SAID AT SOME POINT, AND I JUST WANNA GET CLARITY THAT THE TRUCKS THEMSELVES ARE INCREASING IN SIZE OVER THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THERE. YES. UM, I BUILT MY SHOP 35 YEARS AGO. 35 YEARS AGO. THEIR TRAILERS WERE 48 FOOT LONG ONLY THEY'RE 57 FOOT LONG NOW. THEY DON'T FIT IN ANYMORE. I NEED TO EXPAND MY BUILDING. I NEED TO GIVE MY MY WORKERS A GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS. I CAN'T, THEY CAN'T, I CAN'T EXPECT THEM TO WORK OUTSIDE IN THE SUN, IN THE COLD, THE RAIN, WE GOT NO CHOICE. TIME HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING. AND THAT LADY KNOWS IT. I TOLD HER, I EXPLAINED IT TO HER. MR. ALVARADO, PLEASE DON'T POINT OR ADDRESS ANYONE ELSE BUT THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH, ABOUT THAT, THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER, UH, ELL TO THE, UH, HOA, UH, REPRESENTATIVE, COULD YOU COME ON UP AGAIN? SO I, I, I ASKED THE APPLICANT, UM, EARLIER ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE WROUGHT IRON FENCING. MM-HMM . UM, AND ASKED ABOUT SCREENING OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, RAISING IT OR PUTTING IN NOISE BUFFERING. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LIVE ON STUTZ OR SOMEWHERE ELSE. NO. COMMISSIONER. I HAVEN'T HEARD NONE OF THE RESIDENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT NOISE IN HIS PROPERTY. OH, OKAY. I I, THE, THE FENCE IS GOOD. I I SAW HIM PUT IT UP. GOOD. ALRIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. IT RESOLVES IT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LEFT? SEEING NONE QUESTIONS. RIGHT? SEEING, UH, COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. MS. CAN YOU COME BACK RIGHT DOWN THE STREET? WHAT, WHAT IS THAT RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE? UH, I GUESS RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER. UH, I'M LOOKING AT IT ON GOOGLE MAPS. LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ANOTHER SHOP THERE WITH 18 WHEELERS. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? YEAH. IS THAT THE TRUCKS THAT, UH, I THINK THEY CARRY CEMENT. I, I THINK I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT. WHERE, WHERE THEY MAKE SIEMENS. WELL ANYWAY, UM, OKAY, THIS TRUCKING COMPANY, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAW, WILLIAM SHAW, HE WAS OUR CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME. [01:15:01] SO I GUESS THESE PEOPLE WENT AND TALKED TO MR. HAW AND THEN IT PASSED. SEE THERE'S CASES THAT, OKAY. IT'S NOT MY FAULT. . THANK YOU. UM, THE PICTURES THAT YOU PROVIDED, UHHUH , UH, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S 18 WHEELERS GOING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YES. YES. WHICH ARE, I DIDN'T SEE 18 WHEELERS. I SAW A TOW TRUCK. NO, I HAVE MORE PICTURES, BUT I JUST DIDN'T BRING THEM ALL, YOU KNOW. BUT THERE'S PICTURES AND I'VE SHOWN THAT TO THE BOND COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW HOW THOSE, THOSE PICTURES WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL HERE? UH, YES BECAUSE THOSE TOW TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED ON CITY STREET. SO, BUT THIS IS NOTHING PERSONAL. THIS IS BUSINESS. I'M TAKING CARE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I'M GONNA LEAVE, BUT I STILL LIVE THERE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? RIGHT? HEARING NONE. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, THANKS ALL FOR THE INFO. UM, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION. LAST TIME YOU GUYS WERE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION WITH THIS CASE, I HAD ASKED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH AND YOU DID THAT. SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT. BUT WE LIKE TO HAVE EVERYONE ON BOARD, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO I THINK, I THINK WITH ALL THE INFORMATION GIVEN I APPRECIATE THE ADJUSTMENTS MADE TO ADDRESS NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS. I ALSO THINK BETWEEN THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS ITEM TWO WEEKS AGO AND TODAY, THERE HAVE BEEN DIFFERENTLY COMMUNICATED INTENTIONS. INITIALLY IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE WAS AN INTENT TO EXPAND WORK. NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S JUST TO PROTECT WORKERS. SORRY, TO EXPAND THE AMOUNT OF WORK TO BE ABLE TO DONE. NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ABOUT SHADE FOR WORKERS. I THINK THOSE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, IT STILL DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S WIDE SCALE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AT LEAST, WHICH IS USUALLY PRETTY IMPORTANT. SO, UM, I AM GOING TO MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. I, IF POSSIBLE WOULD LIKE TO ASK A PROCESS QUESTION SINCE THIS IS THE SECOND CONTINUANCE. PLEASE GO AHEAD. OKAY. SINCE THIS IS THE SECOND CONTINUANCE, WOULD IT HAVE THE OPTION TO, THE APPLICANT COULD DECIDE TO ACCEPT THE DENIAL? ANSWER THAT IF YOU WANT . YES. SO, UH, ONCE TWO CONTINUANCES HAVE OCCURRED, UH, AN APPLICANT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY OR, OR CAN CHOOSE THE OPTION TO TAKE A DEEMED DENIAL OR DEEMED RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM THIS BODY. OKAY. UM, SO I'M GOING TO MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. AND I WILL SAY THIS, THE INTENT OF THE CONTINUANCE IS FOR FOLKS TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE AND FOR THERE TO BE VERY CLEAR INTENTION ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. SO THE CONTINUANCE WOULD BE FOR THAT PURPOSE. IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE, THAT'S FINE. THEY CAN VOTE THAT WAY. BUT THAT IS MY INTENTION HERE. UM, AND I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WOULD HAVE MEETINGS AND COORDINATION AND AGREEANCE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT DOESN'T SOMETHING THE NEIGHBORS ARE GETTING THE SAME INFORMATION THAT OURSELVES ON THE COMMISSION ARE GETTING. SO I MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE JULY 7TH MEETING. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE. GONE. ALRIGHT. UH, FLOOR'S OPEN FOR A MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. ALRIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. I'LL SECOND, UH, OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, AT WITH THE AMENDED SITE PLAN. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. OKAY. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT FOR THAT. UH, COMMISSIONER HEEN HOSA, IS THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? OKAY? YES. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THE MOTION FOR IS FOR, UH, APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, UH, DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. I'LL LET COMMISSIONER HOSA GO FIRST. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. YES. UM, I, I THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO GET THIS, UH, PASSED. I, I, I SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S, UH, POSITION ON THIS AND I UNDERSTAND IT. UM, AND I NOTICED THE PICTURES WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE HERE AT ZONING. UM, I, I HAVE, MY OPINION IS THOSE 18 WHEELERS YOU'RE PROBABLY SEEING ARE NOT FROM THIS. BECAUSE IF, IF I'M, IF I'M GONNA TAKE MY 18 WHEELER, WHICH I DON'T HAVE, BUT UH, TO THIS SHOP, I'M PROBABLY GONNA STAY ON THE ACCESS ROAD. AND WHEN I LEAVE, I'M PROBABLY GONNA STAY ON THE ACCESS ROAD. 'CAUSE WHEN I DROVE IT, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT HUGE THING THEY'RE BUILDING. I MEAN IT'S, I WOULDN'T, AND ESPECIALLY MOST PEOPLE JUST USE GPS AND I THINK I, I TRIED WITH GPS AND IT TOOK ME ON THE ACCESS ROAD. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOT SAYING IT WON'T, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S NO OTHER EXIT OR ENTRANCE TO THIS FACILITY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE A GATE LEFT OPEN ON THE BACK OR THE SIDE. THIS IS THE ENTRANCE IN THE FRONT. UM, THE INTENTION, NO MATTER THE INTENTION, I'M, I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS AS FAR AS LAND USE. [01:20:01] THIS IS ON THE ACCESS ROAD. THIS IS HIS BUSINESS. HE'S BEEN THERE FOR 35 YEARS. I THINK HE, I BELIEVE HE SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA PROVIDE COVER THAT, THAT'S NOT REALLY IMPORTANT HERE. BUT THE POINT IS, I, I THINK, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA, UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE OF THE, I DIDN'T HEAR, I MEAN, YOU SAID THERE WAS THE, THE WR INTERFERENCE IS, IS IS UP, IT'S GOOD, IT'S SOLID. THERE'S NO NOISE COMPLAINTS. I THINK THE ISSUE IS JUST, HEY, WE'RE GONNA EXPAND A LITTLE BIT HERE. UM, BUT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS, UH, FOR THAT. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY OTHER BATTLES THAT COULD BE FOUGHT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. UH, THE REASON I'M RECOMMENDING YOUR APPROVAL IS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE A VERY LONG TIME. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 35 YEARS AND WITH PROGRESSION, UH, LIKE MR. EVADO SAID, THE TRUCKS ARE GETTING LONGER AND, AND WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IS HE'S TRYING TO DO RIGHT BY HIS EMPLOYEES BY GIVING THEM SHADE AND WARMTH IN THE WINTER SHADE IN THE SUMMER. UM, HE'S NOT GONNA BE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THOUGH. UH, HIS WORKLOAD IS NOT GONNA INCREASE. HE'S UNDER CONTRACT WITH FIVE CONTRACTS, HE SAID. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE. UH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WITH THESE, UH, ADD-ONS, I THINK HE'D BE ABLE TO GET THE TRUCKS OUT FASTER. UM, SO THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION? TO MY RIGHT? SEEING NONE TO MY LEFT DISCUSSION? YES. COMMISSIONER DVE. AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, WE HAD, WHEN THE APPLICANT RESPONDED THAT IT WOULD INCREASE, POTENTIALLY INCREASE THE, THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITY BY 50%, THAT DIFFERENTLY GAVE ME PAUSE. UM, BUT, UH, I, I WANNA, YOU KNOW, REMIND THE WHOLE COMMISSION THE PURPOSE OF THE MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT. WHEN YOU INCREASE, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE AUTHORIZATION, YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UH, BUT GIVEN NOW THE CLARIFICATION OF THE INTENT FOR, UH, OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND WORKPLACE SAFETY FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO GET 'EM OUT OF THE SUN, UM, IT SEEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, UH, NOT FAIR, UH, TO THE APPLICANT, UH, TO PREVENT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR FACILITY, UM, IN LIGHT OF THEIR STATED INTENT TO NOT, YOU KNOW, INCREASE, UH, THE INTENSITY OF THE USE, BUT RATHER, YOU KNOW, JUST TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES. SO WITH THAT, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION LEFT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. UH, I'LL TAKE THE LAST WORD. UH, THERE ARE BASICALLY FOUR REASONS I'M SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. ONE IS LOCATION. IT'S AT I 10 AND FOUR 10. UH, IT'S NOT USING AN INAPPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF THE OVERALL SPACE ON THAT LAND. UH, THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS, UH, REGARDING THE NOISE. UH, THE A THE NOISE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE ADMITTED THAT SHE DIDN'T THINK THE 18 WHEELERS WERE COMING FROM THIS LOCATION. AND THE ONLY EGRESS AND INGRESS ARE FROM THE FOUR 10 OR 10 SIDE OF THIS. UH, SO IT'S GOING OUT ON AN ACCESS ROAD AND FOR THAT REASON, I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HINO HOSA ROLL CALL VOTE COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER HUI AYE. COMMISSIONER S SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DUBEL. AYE. COMMISSIONER TSET? YES. COMMISSIONER PANA? YES. CHAIR MU AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE. UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, UH, NEEDED TO GO TO ANOTHER HEARING. UH, IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THESE NEXT ONES QUICKLY AND SHE HAS NOT RETURNED, UH, WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT. IF SHE IS PRESENT, THEN WE WILL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER TWO, BECAUSE I'M FEELING GENEROUS. THAT'S GOOD, . ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, FOREST WILSON, PRINCIPAL PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER THREE, LOCATED AT 5 9 9 5 HEATH ROAD IS A REQUEST FROM C ONE LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO C TWO AND A COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 1442 NOTICES WERE MAILED. ZERO IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED. MISTY OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE OUTSIDE 200 FEET. UH, WE RECEIVED ONE OPPOSED THE, THE EXISTING C ONE LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE FOR BOTH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPOSED INDOOR SPORT COURT USE AND PROVIDES AN EFFECTIVE TRANSITION TO THE R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH. UH, UNLIKE C TWO ZONING, WHICH HAS NO BUILDING SIZE RESTRICTIONS, C ONE RESTRICTS INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES TO 5,000 SQUARE FEET. THE LIMITATION IS IMPORTANT FOR MAINTAINING NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE AS IT HELPS PREVENT THE DEVELOPMENT [01:25:01] OF LARGER, MORE INTENSE STRUCTURES THAT MAY BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES. ADDITIONALLY, THE PRESENCE OF A FLOODPLAIN ON THE PROPERTY MAY CREATE SITE ACCESSIBILITY CHALLENGES THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED DURING DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A REVISED CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES 25 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AND A CONSOLIDATED BUILDING LAYOUT. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, PLEASE. NO, JUST SHOULD YOU BE, YEAH. A DIFFERENT FINGER. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS EMILY WEISLER WITH KEL AND GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE, SUITE TWO 50. UM, WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH WITH THIS CASE. UM, I WILL GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW, BUT REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST MONTH. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS JUST OVER FIVE, JUST OVER FOUR ACRES. UM, I YOU CAN KEEP GOING, SAMANTHA. THANK YOU. UM, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE. WE ARE PROPOSING AN INDOOR RACKET, SPORTS FACILITY, PICKLE AND PADDLE PRIMARILY, UM, THAT USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN C ONE. THE PURPOSE OF OUR ZONING REQUEST TO C TWO NA IS TO ALLOW FOR, UM, A LARGER BUILDING SIZE. UM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE ON OUR KIND OF CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT BASED ON ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVE DONE, UM, AND RECEIVED WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE NORTHWEST COMMUNITY PLAN. THAT'S AN OLDER PLAN ADOPTED IN 2011. UM, THIS AREA IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, THE PROPERTY, IT'S C ONE DESIGNATION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THAT LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UM, BUT PLANNING COMMISSION DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT TO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT BOTH WITH THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING. UM, IF YOU WILL SKIP DOWN HERE, THAT'S FINE. UH, THIS WAS OUR ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. UM, THE, THE SIZE, THE BUILDING SIZE LIMITATION ON A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, WE COULD REPL IT SEPARATE SEVERAL BUILDINGS. UM, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS. WE HAVE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING. UM, A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN THAT WITH THOSE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS MORE THAN THAT. UM, BUT WE'LL GET TO THIS. UM, WITH THE SEPARATED INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS, UM, THAT LIMITS HOW MUCH FUNCTIONAL COURT SPACE, UM, AND SPACE WE HAVE INSIDE THOSE BUILDINGS. UM, THAT IN INCREASES, UH, PARKING LOT, LOITERING, UM, PEOPLE HANGING OUT, WAITING FOR THEIR COURTS TO OPEN UP. UM, IT INCREASES NOISE. THESE BUILDINGS ARE OBVIOUSLY SPREAD OUT IN HERE. UM, SO WITH THE COMMUNITY RESPONSES AND CONCERN OF NOISE LIGHTING, INCREASED LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT ONE. UM, A LOT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS, PARTICULARLY THE LAST FEW WEEKS, HAVE FOCUSED ON A CONSOLIDATED BUILDING. UM, THIS IS ON THE, THE LARGE END OF THAT SCALE. UM, REALISTICALLY, THIS BUILDING'S GONNA BE SMALLER. THERE ARE GOING TO BE LESS COURTS IN HERE. UM, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW KIND OF A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT BUILDING. UM, BUT THIS, AND I QUITE FRANKLY THINK THIS IS A LITTLE MORE PARKING THAN WOULD ULTIMATELY BE NEEDED. UH, THIS IS A LOT OF PARKING. BUT TO SHOW THAT, UM, OUR GOAL WITH THE C TWO A, UM, AND TO MEET THOSE REQUESTS, THE NEIGHBORS IS TO CONSOLIDATE INTO ONE SINGULAR RACKET, BALL, PICKLE, PADDLE RACKET SPORT. UM, ONE SINGULAR FACILITY THAT HAS ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO WAIT IN AND OFF THE COURTS. AGAIN, THIS IS NON, THIS HAS THE NA SO, UM, NO ALCOHOL THERE. BUT, UM, STRICTLY SPORT AND CAMARADERIE HERE. UM, AND CREATE INCREASED BUFFERS AND, UM, INCREASED BUILDING SEPARATION ON ALL OF IT. I MEAN, WE HAVE 180, 150 FEET ON EACH SIDE, BUT ALSO INCREASE THE NORTH AND SOUTH BUFFERING. UM, RIGHT NOW WITH THIS BUILDING, WHICH WILL QUITE FRANKLY, LIKELY BE SMALLER, UM, ARCHITECTS TEND TO GET A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY. UM, THIS WILL LIKELY BE MUCH SMALLER. UM, BUT THIS IS WELL OVER 60 FEET FROM EITHER PROPERTY LINE ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. UM, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, AN INTERESTING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. UM, THE MISTY OAKS BOARD HAS TRANSITIONED. THEY STILL HAVE A REGISTERED, UH, LIAISON FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO HER. WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, MS. CARDINI. UM, AND THEN THERE IS A NEW BOARD. UM, THE COUNCILMAN MET WITH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE NEW BOARD LAST WEEK ON MONDAY. HAD A WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE HOSTED A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE DISTRICT SIX FIELD OFFICE, UM, ON TUESDAY. UM, WE DID RECEIVE, SINCE THIS MEETING HAS STARTED A RESPONSE, UM, FROM MS. NANCY WHO IS THE REGISTERED REPRESENTATIVE OF MS. DUKE'S NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THEY ARE NOT OPPOSED. UM, WE'VE ASKED THAT THAT BE SENT TO THE CITY FORMALLY ON THEIR BEHALF. UM, BUT AS WE HAVE GONE [01:30:01] THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, I THINK WE HAVE BUILT CONSENSUS AROUND THIS BEING A, A REASONABLY SCALED NEIGHBORHOOD RECREATIONAL FACILITY, A REALLY GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY, GET IT CLEANED UP, UM, AND GET SOMETHING THAT THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY CAN USE. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A CHICKEN AND PICKLE SITUATION, UM, BUT JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD RECREATIONAL RACKETBALL FACILITY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES. UH, MS. ROSE RYAN. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I'M, UH, DELIGHTED TO BE HERE AND I WANTED TO FIRST THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR VOLUNTEER TIME TO THE CITY. IT'S SOMETHING VERY, UH, MUCH NEEDED AND WE APPRECIATE IT AS CITIZENS VERY MUCH. UH, MY NAME IS ROSE RYAN AND I, UM, RESIDE AT 79 50 CLYDE DENT DRIVE, AND IT IS ADJACENT TO THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. I HAVE SEVEN ACRES THERE. MY BACK DOOR WILL BE RIGHT THERE BY THE PARKING LOT. UM, I KNOW IT'S BEEN, UH, UM, A DOCTOR'S CLINIC FOR MANY YEARS AND THEY'RE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. BUT I THINK THAT, UH, THERE ARE BETTER PROJECTS. UM, LEMME JUST GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION REAL QUICK. OUR REQUEST IS TO PRESERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS PRIMARILY OVER 95% LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCE OF A REZONING OF 59 95. HEATH TO COMMERCIAL WOULD SEVERELY DISRUPT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE, UH, ENDANGERED SPECIES, THE HORN TOAD THAT LIVES THERE. UH, ALLOWING COMMERCIAL IN THIS AREA WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE NOT ONLY TO RESIDENTS, BUT TO THE NATURAL HABITAT AND WILDLIFE. AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, UH, FROM WHAT I READ ON INTERNET, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THIS CASE BEFORE THAT CAME UP ON MAY 19TH, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF THIS UPGRADE TO A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION. THE NEIGHBORS CONCUR WITH A DENIAL, UH, OF THIS, UM, UPGRADE TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND, AND THE REASONS, SOME OF THE REASONS ARE LIGHT INTRUSION, NOISE POLLUTION, ENDANGERED SPECIES, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, DISRUPTION OF NEIGHBORHOOD PEACE AND QUIET IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT, UH, WITH PARKING LOTS, INCONSISTENCY WITH THE CURRENT LOW DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE MUCH BETTER PROJECTS THAT ARE SUITABLE. AND I'M SURE THAT, UH, AS SMART AS THE DOCTORS ARE THAT OWN THIS PROPERTY, THAT THEY COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE CONDUCIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M, UH, VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE, UH, IF YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES THAT THEY SHOWED EARLIER, UM, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY AND LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET FROM MY BACK DOOR. SO, UH, ALL THOSE LIGHTS, EVERYTHING, IT'S JUST THE NOISE. UH, I'M, I'M JUST PERPLEXED AT WHAT TO DO, UH, EXCEPT COME AND MAKE A, A HONEST, SINCERE, UH, APPEAL. PARDON ME. I'D BE HAPPY TO SOLICIT, UH, A, A SIGNED PETITION FROM THE NEIGHBORS IF THAT PLEASES THE COMMISSION. UH, THE MISTY OAKS, UH, AS YOU HEARD FROM HER, UH, THE PRESENTER IS, UH, IS NOT VERY ORGANIZED. AND WE UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT HAVE A, UH, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU, MR. TIME. WE HAVE ABOUT A HUNDRED HOMES. THAT'S YOUR TIME IN THAT AREA AND, AND NO ONE TO REPRESENT US. SO I'M HERE DOING IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. RYAN. THAT'S YOUR TIME. AND THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. BRIEF REBUTTAL, BRIEF REBUTTAL. BRIEF, BRIEF, BRIEF. UM, THANK YOU COMMISSION. UM, AND THANK YOU MS. RYAN FOR BEING HERE. UM, THIS IS PROPERTY THAT IS FAMILY OWNED. UM, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO DR. RAO, UM, TO PROGRESSIVE HIS FATHER'S LEGACY, UM, AND OWNING THIS PROPERTY AND GIVING SOMETHING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, IT'S BEEN AN OB GYN CLINIC FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UM, AND WE'RE HOPING TO CONTINUE THE, THE HEALTH FUNCTIONAL USE OF THIS PROPERTY. UH, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIALLY. THIS IS ALREADY ZONED C ONE. UM, THE REQUESTED C TWO IS TO ALLOW US THE FLEXIBILITY TO CREATE THE ALREADY PERMITTED USE OF THE INDOOR SPORT COURT, UM, IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS AND CREATES THOSE BUFFERS, UM, THAT WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE POSSIBLE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THIS IS A DISTRICT SIX CASE, UH, COMMISSIONER HUEY TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, FOR THE APPLICANT PLEASE. SO, UH, DID YOU RECENTLY RECEIVE, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE MSTY OAKS, HOA? YES, WE DID AN EMAIL FROM MS. CARD, UM, THAT STATED THAT. UM, AND I'VE ASKED HER TO, UM, SHARE THAT [01:35:01] DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY STAFF AS WELL. BUT, UM, THAT THE ASSOCIATION HAS REVIEWED, UM, BOTH THE ORIGINAL AND THE UPDATED SITE PLANS, UM, AND HAVE NO CONCERNS OR ISSUES. OKAY. GREAT. AND THEN AS FOR FUTURE LAND USE, UH, WE DID, YOU DID GET A, UM, APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING, UH, COMMISSION TO AMEND THIS TO, UH, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT. UM, IF YOUR CLIENT WANTED TO, COULD HE BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW WITHOUT REQUIRING ZONING? YES, SIR. WHY ISN'T, WHY WOULDN'T HE DO THAT? UM, HE HAS NO INTEREST IN, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UM, BUT WITH CHANGES TO STATE LAW, UM, MF 65 DENSITY UP TO 65 UNITS PER ACRE, UM, IS PERMITTED ON THIS. UM, THAT IS NOT, UM, HIS PASSION. UM, HIS PASSION FOR THE RECORD IS PICKLEBALL. UM, AND THAT'S WHY HE WANTS TO DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. BUT THAT IS PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. I I, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I'M SORRY. MM-HMM . SO, UM, LET'S SEE. YOU GOT THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. UH, AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS, UH, LAST TUESDAY, UM, RECEIVED NOTICE OF THAT MEETING. AND I'M SORRY, MS. RYAN, I'M SORRY IF HE, HE WILL CALL YOU UP TO ASK QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. UH, REMIND ME YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION, YOUR PROPOSED HOURS, HOURS OF OPERATION. THAT ONE. THANK YOU. UM, YES. UM, SEVEN, LIKELY CLOSER TO EIGHT, UM, BUT 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM HARD STOP. UM, THIS IS MEMBERSHIP AND DROP IN, UM, BUILDINGS WITH MULTIPLE COURTS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSOLIDATE THAT TO ONE. SO, UM, STANDARD HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN WHEN I CONTACTED THE, UH, RESIDENTS THAT, UM, THAT WERE BUDDING THIS PROPERTY, THEY TALKED ABOUT CONCERNS FOR, YOU KNOW, INTRUSION, LIGHTING INTO THE BACKYARD. UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, YOU WERE GOING TO USE DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING FULL CUT OFF, EXCUSE ME, FULL CUT OFF, UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT LIGHTING? YES. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT NOISE, UH, FROM THE, UM, FACILITY. CAN YOU TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT KIND OF INSTALLATION YOU WOULD USE TO AMELIORATE THAT? YES. SO THESE WILL BE, UM, FULLY INCIDENT ACOUSTICALLY DAMPENED, UH, BUILDING. UM, THAT, UH, SINGULAR CONSOLIDATION OF THE BUILDING ALSO HELPS WITH NOISE. UM, BUT YOU WILL NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO HEAR THE SMACKING OF THE BALL, UM, FROM, FROM THE PARKING LOT. UM, THIS WILL BE A FULLY INSULATED PROPERTY, FULLY INSULATED BUILDING. EXCUSE ME. OKAY, GREAT. NOW IF WE DON'T REZONE THIS TO C TWO, CAN HE BUILD OUTDOOR, UH, COURTS? HE CANNOT BUILD OUTDOOR COURTS. HE CANNOT BUILD OUTDOOR COURTS WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING. EITHER. INDOOR COURTS ONLY IS ALLOWED IN THE CURRENCY ONE AND THE C TWO. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. UH, MS. RYAN. SO YOU SAID YOU WERE NOT CONTACTED? THAT'S CORRECT. THESE SIX CALLS, I, I RECEIVED THE FIRST LETTER, UH, FROM THE, UH, ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I CALL THEM THREE TIMES. I NEVER RECEIVED A RETURN CALL IN PART BECAUSE I BELIEVE, UM, THE LADY THAT WAS JUST SPEAKING WAS ON MEMORIAL DAY VACATION. UM, BUT THE IMPORTANT THING THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW HERE, THE WHOLE COMMISSION IS THAT, UH, MISTY OAKS IS ONE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AWAY FROM WHERE ALL THIS, UH, IS GONNA IMPACT THE, THE HOMES. IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF HER, UH, DIAGRAMS WHERE YOU, YOU, UH, SHOW THE, ALL OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE IMPACTED ON THE BACKSIDE. UM, LET'S SEE. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. THAT ONE WITH THE YELLOW. OKAY. ALL THOSE HOUSES THERE, NONE OF THEM, THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN RECEIVED HER FIRST LETTER. I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, UH, WALK, UH, BLOCK WALK AND TALKED TO PEOPLE I TALKED TO A LOT THAT WERE UP ON THE OTHER SIDE. UH, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT THIS PROJECT EITHER. UM, BUT THOSE ARE NOT IN THE MISTY OAKS AREA. THOSE DO NOT BELONG TO MISTY OAKS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. SO THE IMPRESSION IS THAT MISTY OAKS IS SAYING, YEAH, IT'S GREAT. WELL, WHAT ABOUT THESE FOLKS? THEY'RE NOT IN MISTY OAKS. NEITHER IS MY PROPERTY. MY PROPERTY, YOU SEE THE RED ONE THAT'S A NURSERY JUST TO THE RIGHT, THOSE SEVEN ACRES, THAT'S MY HOUSE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, MY HOUSE [01:40:01] IS A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET. IT, IT'S ABOUT 150 FEET FROM WHERE THE PARKING LOTS AND LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING IS GONNA GO IN. AND IT'S, IT'S A COMPLETE DISASTER. IF YOU LOOKED AT THE WHOLE THING, MOST OF THE AREA IS ALL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DON'T HAVE ATHLETIC, UM, UH, THINGS THAT, THAT ARE RIGHT THERE. AND I JUST THINK THIS IS A DISASTROUS PROJECT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN, THAT ARE IMPACTED AND THEY, UH, ARE ARE NOT HERE TO SPEAK THEIR MIND. WE'RE GETTING A NE UH, MISTY OAKS, WHICH IS A WHOLE NOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AWAY, UH, COMMENTING ON WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. NOT THE PEOPLE THAT IT WILL IMPACT, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AWAY. IT, IT JUST, UH, IT, IT GIVES THE GUISE OF, OF, UH, ACCEPTABILITY AND THERE IS NOT ACCEPTABILITY FROM ALL OF THESE FOLKS HERE. AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH A PETITION TO, UH, PROVE MY FACT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. UNLESS YOU HAD OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO YOUR REST OF MY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HUEY. TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE TO MY LEFT. QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER BEL, AND THEN COMMISSIONER SIPES. SO IF WE COULD KEEP IT ON, ON THIS PAGE HERE, UM, FOR STAFF, UH, THE C3 NACD ZONING, UM, CURRENTLY IT'S A PLANT NURSERY, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. GIVE US, GIVE US JUST ONE SECOND. AND WHILE, I MEAN, WHILE WHILE YOU ALL ARE, ARE LOOKING IT UP, IT, IT DOES LOOK LIKE A MI ON GOOGLE IMAGE. IT'S UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A COFFEE SHOP AND THEN YES. A PLANT NURSERY. SO, UH, AS I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE, UH, POTENTIAL ZONINGS ON THIS BLOCK, WHAT COULD SOMEBODY DEVELOP BY RIGHT IN THE C3 ZONE? WELL, THEY'RE GONNA BE YOUR MOST INTENSE USES, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MAYBE A POTENTIAL AUTO SHOP, UM, AUTO SALES, THE NA IS THERE, SO THAT MEANS THERE WOULD BE NO ALCOHOL SALES, SO NO BARS. UM, IT COULD BE STILL THOUGH LIKE RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S A COFFEE SHOP. UM, BUT, UM, LIQUOR STORE, OTHER KIND OF RETAILS, UM, MORE COMMERCE KIND OF USES. AND I MEAN, THAT'S A LARGER PARCEL. LIKE YOU COULD BE LOOKING AT A SHOPPING CENTER SIZE SCALE. IS IT, IS THAT RIGHT? AS LONG AS IT, YES, AS IT LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH SETBACKS AND BUFFERS. UM, THEN THERE'S A, UM, C ONE I SEE TO THE, WHAT IS THAT SOUTHEAST OF THAT C3? UM, THAT'S MORE, I MEAN, THAT'S THE EXISTING ZONING ON THIS PARCEL, RIGHT? THAT'S THE SAME MORE NEIGHBORHOOD LOW DENSITY. CORRECT. BUT, BUT THEN THERE'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE OF C FOUR ZONING. AM I SEEING THAT CORRECTLY? IT'S A C ONE ONE. IT'S A C ONE. OH, SORRY. OKAY, GOOD. WOO THING AS A C4 YEAH, C ONE, BUT THEN THERE'S AN OFFICE PARK ZONING ACROSS THE STREET. ALTHOUGH ISN'T THAT OPEN SPACE, IT'S UNDEVELOPED, RIGHT? YES. THERE IS A O2 AS YOU GO FURTHER DOWN THE STREET THERE. YES. AND I SEE A C TWO NA MM-HMM . CDS. CORRECT. SO I, I SUPPOSE WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH A LITTLE BIT IS, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION REFERS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS ABOUT KIND OF THE VISION FOR, UH, LOW, LOW DENSITY, LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE SURROUNDING ZONING IS CALLING FOR A LOT MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LARGELY STILL OPEN SPACE, IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR THOSE MORE INTENSE USES, BUT THEY COULD HAVE MORE INTENSE USES. UM, SO HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE SENSE OF THAT? WHAT'S, WHICH WAY IS IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING COGNIZANT WHEN, UM, YOU'RE APPROVING A CHANGE DIRECTLY ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL USE IN EVERY CASE. SO THAT WAS OUR PRIMARY CONCERN HERE. BUT I, I SUPPOSE WHAT I'M GETTING AT WITH THAT IS, UM, IF THIS WAS TO INCREASE FROM C ONE TO C TWO, UH, SOMEBODY, SO LIKE, UH, WHAT KIND OF USES WOULD BE ALLOWED IN C TWO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, C TWO, UM, JUST A FEW EXTRA. THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE LARGER, HENCE THE REASON I BELIEVE FOR THIS CHANGE OF ZONING, UM, BUT ALSO PERMITS, UM, NOT ALL AUTO REPAIR, BUT IT WOULD PERMIT LIKE A MUFFLER OR, UM, TIRE SHOP OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. GLASS TINTING TIRE REPAIR AS SHE MENTIONED, GAS STATIONS, APPLIANCE SALES AND REPAIR, UM, DRIFT STORES, DRY CLEANING FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. AND SO, YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE [01:45:01] BEEN STRUGGLING WITH IS, IS THAT IF, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF A PICKLEBALL IS LESS INTENSE THAN THOSE USES, A SUBSEQUENT OWNER WOULD'VE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THOSE MORE INTENSE USES. CORRECT. AND THAT IT'S NOT LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE ZONING COMMISSION TO GET THOSE APPROVALS. UM, I GUESS, BUT, BUT WHAT I'M WEIGHING AGAINST THOUGH, WHEN I'M TRYING TO THINK IT THROUGH IS THE C3, SOMEBODY COULD ALREADY HAVE MUCH MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL USES ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. UM, SO I, I MEAN, AGAIN, HOW MAKE SENSE THAT ONE THAT I THINK SO, UM, THAT ORDINANCE FOR THAT ONE DOESN'T SEEM, DOES NOT READILY AVAILABLE. SO WE'D HAVE TO DO, DO SOME MORE DIGGING TO FIND THAT ONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BASE ZONING IS C3, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED ANYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER C3, BUT THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE DOING EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING THERE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY REQUIRE A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT ON THAT ADJACENT PROSPERITY IN ORDER TO USE THE CD. BUT ARE THEY ALLOWED TO JUST THROW AWAY THE CD AND BUILD ON A C3? CORRECT. I SEE. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION FOR ME, UH, THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION ALREADY HEARD THE ITEM CORRECT, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LAND USE. THAT'S THE HIGHER INTENSITY THAN THE CURRENT. CORRECT. AND, UH, DO, DO Y ALL HAVE ANY INSIGHTS INTO THEIR DISCUSSION? THEY THOUGHT, I MEAN, DID THEY THINK IT WAS SUFFICIENT BUFFERING TO THE C3 OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THEIR, CAN YOU GIVE US INSIGHTS INTO WHAT THEY WERE THINKING? THEY JUST FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE, THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE PICKLEBALL USE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF CHAIR BOOST MONTE, IF, UH, IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING FROM THAT MEETING, UM, I'M GONNA THROW MR. GOMEZ UNDER THE BUS. UH, THERE WAS PRIMARILY, UM, SOME ISSUE WITH THE REPORT FROM STAFF REGARDING KIND OF SNEAKING ONE THROUGH, I THINK, OR SOME LANGUAGE LIKE THAT. AND ONCE IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT, UM, THE USAGE PLANNED THROUGH ZONING AS C ONE WOULD BE THE SAME USE, BUT JUST WITH BIGGER, UM, WITH A BIGGER POTENTIAL BUILDING SIZE, UH, PLANNING AT THAT POINT FELT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL WAS APPROPRIATE. AND HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. HE SAID, WHAT WAS IT? I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER THE WORD, THE WORD EXACTLY, BUT IT WAS PHRASE, IT WAS CIRCUMVENT. CIRCUMVENT, THANK YOU GIL RAT . AND I'M JOKING ABOUT THROWING HIM UNDER THE BUS. THAT WAS JUST AN UNFORTUNATE CHOICE OF WORDS, BUT, BUT THAT WAS PRIMARILY WHY PLANNING HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE ALLEVIATED UPON PRESENTATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, AND, AND THEN, UH, A LAST QUESTION. UM, DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT MISTY OAKS, UH, SUBMITTED A LETTER? WHAT, WHAT DID THEY TAKE A POSITION? I I, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME. I, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT. UM, CAN YOU PULL UP THE THERE, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE GREEN, EVERYTHING IN GREEN IS THE MISTY OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOUNDARY WITH PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THEY FOLLOWED UP WITH ME DIRECTLY, UM, STATING THAT THEY HAD REVIEWED THE UPDATED SITE PLAN, HAD NO ISSUES OR CONCERNS WITH THE REQUEST. I HAVE SHARED THAT, UM, WITH CITY STAFF AND I'VE ALSO ASKED THEM TO FORMALLY SUBMIT THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT RESPONSE TO CITY STAFF RATHER THAN JUST ME FORWARDING THE RESPONSE MYSELF. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER SIPES, I BELIEVE YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. YOU KNOW, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BECAUSE THEY WERE ABOUT THE ALLOWABLE USES, UM, IN C ONE VERSUS C TWO. SO, LET'S SEE. I'LL THINK OF SOMETHING REALLY QUICK. OH, DO WE KNOW WHEN THIS, WHEN THIS I'LL HAVE TO, WHEN WAS THIS ? COME ON. I GOTTA, I GOTTA SAY SOMETHING. UM, NO I WON'T. YOU'RE LUCKY, . IT'S, IT'S MORE COMMENTARY. I'LL START WITH YOU NEXT TIME. IT'S MORE COMMENTARY. ALRIGHT, LEFT QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, FURTHER QUESTIONS. RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA CLOSE IT DOWN FOR QUESTIONS. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. UH, THIS IS, THIS IS A DISTRICT SIX CASE. COMMISSIONER HUEY TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO HAVING LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 36 YEARS, UH, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN UNDEVELOPED AS FAR AS I KNOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, MEDICAL PRACTICE THAT YOU JUST CAN'T SEE FROM THE MAIN ROAD. SO, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES OF USES THAT CAN BE, UH, PUT ON THIS PROPERTY. AND IN MY OPINION, UH, HAVING A INDOOR PICKLEBALL COURT IS PROBABLY THE LEAST INTRUSIVE. AND AGAIN, UH, HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBORS AND MISTY OAKS [01:50:01] AND, YOU KNOW, HEARING THE, UH, THE APPLICANTS, UM, AND WHAT THEY PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS SATISFIES MY NEEDS AND MY CONCERNS. SO, UH, AT THIS TIME I MOVED FOR APPROVAL. THERE, THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE BY COMMISSIONER HUEY. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM. JUST 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING THAT WAY. UM, ALRIGHT. DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT. DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT. YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES, I'LL ALSO GO TO YOU NEXT FOR QUESTIONS. NO. OKAY, FINE. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A, A DIFFICULT CASE. I GOT TO SAY THAT FIRST THIS TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, I RECOGNIZE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I ACTUALLY REMEMBER WHEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS, WAS BUILT AS WELL SINCE WE BOTH ARE AROUND THAT AREA. UM, OR WERE, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ALONG HEATH HEATH ROAD OR HEATH LANE, WHY YOU HAVE THIS MIX OF, UH, UM, ZONING. UM, I MEAN MISTY OAKS WAS DEVELOPED IN THE LATE SEVENTIES THROUGH THE MID EIGHTIES. WASN'T ANNEXED UNTIL, LET'S SEE, WHEN, WHEN WERE WE ANNEXED MID EIGHTIES I THINK IS WHEN WE GOT ANNEXED. UM, AND SO AT THAT TIME YOU ALREADY HAD DEVELOPMENT AND MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS OVER WHAT COULD GO IN THE BACK AREAS. UM, I SEE THIS ON LIKE, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED, UH, CLOSER TO WHERE I WAS OFF OF, UH, LIKE MAINLAND AND, AND TETZEL, WHERE IN THE BACK AREAS IS WHERE ALL THE MORE, UH, AUTO USES AND EVERYTHING KIND OF JUST CREPT IN BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF HARDER TO GET TO. YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE FRONTAGE FOR A STORE FOR PEOPLE TO GO BUY AND, AND AND, AND SEE IT. SO IT'S LIKE, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE AUTO USES KIND OF CREPT IN THE AREA AND THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. BUT I ALSO SEE THE OPPORTUNITY OF, UM, AN ACTUAL PICKLEBALL COURT ACTUALLY KEEPING THAT FROM HAPPENING. AND SO I AM STILL TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH WAY I'M, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SIPES. UH, COMMISSIONER DUVALL, I BELIEVE YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I THINK THAT THIS BLOCK HAS A, A BIT OF A CRISIS OF IDENTITY. UM, Y'ALL CAN SEE ON THE, THE MAP RIGHT NOW, THE, THE NP 10 ZONING. I LOOKED IT UP. IT'S OLD, UH, OLD ZONING FOR LIKE REALLY PROTECTED RESIDENTIAL WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ZONING WAS SEEKING TO PROTECT REALLY LOW DENSITY, LARGE PROPERTY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL. UM, HAVING THAT WRITEUP ON C3 IS JUST LIKE SMACK IN THE FACE CONTRADICTION. UM, SO I'VE, I I'M NOT REALLY SURE KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF IT. UM, BUT FOR ME, UH, IT IS I THINK, UH, IMPORTANT THAT MISTY OAKS IS, IS NOT IN OPPOSITION TO TRY TO GET A GAUGE FOR WHAT THE COMMUNITY SEES THE FUTURE. DO THEY SEE IT AS MP 10? DO THEY SEE IT AS C TWO? UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M, I'M GOING TO, UH, DEFER, UH, TO COMMISSIONER, UH, UM, KIM TO SO AND SUPPORT HIS MOTION. ALRIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION LEFT? ALRIGHT, UH, BRIEFLY, UH, I ALSO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION I THINK IN LARGE PART, UM, BECAUSE WITHIN A THOUSAND OR SO FEET THERE ARE OUTDOOR SOCCER COURTS THAT ARE EVEN MORE INTENSE. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMMISSIONER ELL IS RIGHT THAT THIS IS SORT OF A CRISIS OF IDENTITY. UH, MS. WEISLER, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND I KNOW YOU WILL REACH OUT TO MS. RYAN, UH, BEFORE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD THIS MOTION PASS. UM, AND SO WITH THAT, THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE BY COMMISSIONER HUEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LSO? NO. COMMISSIONER NIOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER PIE RODRIGUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER VILLE. AYE. COMMISSIONER WIT? YES. COMMISSIONER PANA? YES. CHAIR BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, UH, THIS IS THE TIME FOR OUR TRADITIONAL [01:55:01] BREAK. UM, DES DID YOU GET, UH, COMMISSIONER OSA'S ABSENCE? YEAH. COMMISSIONER OSA EXITED AT 2:26 PM AND REENTERED THE BOARDROOM AT 2:29 PM SEE, I WAS TRYING NOT TO CALL PEOPLE OUT INDIVIDUALLY FOR HOW MUCH TIME, BUT I WAS GONNA TRUST YOU . THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, ALRIGHT. WE WILL STAND IN RECESS FOR APPROXIMATELY SEVEN MINUTES. UM, WE WILL RETURN AT APPROXIMATELY 3 0 2 AND WE ARE NOW IN RECESS. THE TIME IS 3 0 4 AND THIS MEETING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS BACK IN SESSION. UM, AND COMMISSIONER S SIPES AND COMMISSIONER WITT HAVE REJOINED US. UM, ALRIGHT. OUR NEXT ITEM IS GONNA BE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. JOEL PALUS ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS LOCATED AT 1 2 1 3 9 JONES BERGER ROAD. GOING FROM C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO C3 S GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR AUTO PAINT AND BODY REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND PARTS PERMITTED BUT NOT TOTALLY SCREENED FROM VIEW OF ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND PUBLIC ROADWAYS. WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 19 NOTICES WERE SENT OUT, THREE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, SIX OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET. THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. OUTSIDE 200 FEET SEVEN WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED. PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THREE RETRACTED POSITIONS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET. NOW IN FAVOR, THE EXISTING C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AS THE C3 ZONING IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE CURRENT COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL LAND USE CLASSIFICATION. THE PROPOSED C3 S GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR AUTO PAINT AND BODY REPAIR WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE OF VEHICLES AND PARTS PERMITTED BUT NOT TOTALLY SCREENED FROM VIEW OF ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND PUBLIC ROADWAYS IS ALSO NOT APPROPRIATE. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR, OIL LUB AND TUNEUP AND TIRE INSTALLATION USES PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE C3 BAY ZONING BUT USES INCONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN. ALTHOUGH THE SITE HAS FRONTAGE ALONG JONES MALTSBERGER ROAD, A SECONDARY ARTERIAL, IT DIRECTLY ABUTS A MULTI-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT WITH ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES. THE PROPOSED ADDITION OF AUTO PAIN AND BODY REPAIR OPERATIONS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY INTRODUCES A MORE INTENSIVE USE. ACCORDING TO THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN, A 34 FOOT 11 INCH REAR SETBACK IS PROPOSED. HOWEVER, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO THESE RESIDENCES, THIS DISTANCE IS INSUFFICIENT TO ADEQUATELY BUFFER POTENTIAL HAZARDOUS SUBMISSIONS AND IMPACT ON THE HEALTH AND MOVEABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEREFORE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CREST WOULD, WOULD PERMIT A MORE INTENSE USE THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH AND DETRIMENTAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE GREATER AIRPORT REGIONAL CENTER PLAN ADOPTED IN 2025 AND IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE COMPONENT. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A PLAN AMENDMENT TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL AT THE MAY 13 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THEREFORE, STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS DENIAL FOR THE REZONING REQUEST. THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. MS. PAULUS BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I JUST WANTED A QUICK CLARIFICATION. YOU SAID THE COUNT WAS 19 THREE IN FAVOR, SIX OPPOSED, AND THEN YOU MENTIONED RETRACTIONS. DOES THAT INCLUDE THAT COUNT, INCLUDE THE THREE RETRACTIONS OR NO? UM, THE THREE IN FAVOR THAT I ORIGINALLY SAID, IT DOES NOT, UM, INCLUDE THE THREE RETRACTED. OKAY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT, UH, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. NAME FERNANDO RAMIREZ. UM, ADDRESS THREE 18 EAST NAMA, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 6. MR. RAMIREZ, TELL US BRIEFLY IF YOU WANT ABOUT THIS REQUEST. I WAS LISTENING TO HER. UM, WE, MY CLIENT IS WANTING TO USE A PAINT BOOTH, THAT'S IT, TO ADD THE PAINT BOOTH TO IT. AND WE HAD SOME, UM, PEOPLE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT ORIGINALLY SIGNED UP FOR THEY WAS OKAY. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE OF THEM SAID NO. AND SO THEY RETRACTED. SO THEN THE OWNERS REACHED OUT TO HER, SHOWED HER THE PLACE. WE EVEN GOT AN, AN INSPECTOR FROM THE BILLING DEPARTMENT FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS TO HOW THOSE THINGS WORK. AND, AND SO THEN SHE SAID REALLY? AND SO NOW SHE CHANGED HER MIND AND TALKED TO HER, HER [02:00:01] PEOPLE AND THIS IS IN THE BACK AND THEY ALL AGREED TO SIGN BACK ON AGAIN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? NO. FOR THIS PART, NO. ALRIGHT. AND THANK YOU MR. RAMIREZ. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YEAH. MR. RAMEZ, GO AHEAD AND STAND UP. STAY UP THERE THEN. ALL RIGHT. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT NINE CASE COMMISSIONER DOBEL TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. YES. UH, STAFF, COULD YOU PULL UP THE, UM, CHECKS AND X'S MAP? OH YEAH, THE X'S AND O'S. SO, UH, ALRIGHT. UM, TO THE, UH, OH, GO AHEAD. TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, UM, DOES THIS ACCURATELY REFLECT THE CURRENT, UH, POSITION OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN 200 FEET? YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. UH, SO WE'VE CONTINUED THIS ITEM A COUPLE OF TIMES YES. AND, UH, UH, AT YOUR REQUEST CORRECT. TO GET THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORS CORRECT. UM, BEFORE YOU HAD INDICATED THAT THERE WAS, UH, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS A LEADER IN THE COMMUNITY. CORRECT. UM, AND THAT, UH, YOU EXPECTED THE OTHER, UH, NEIGHBORS WOULD, UM, GO ALONG WITH HER RECOMMENDATION? YES, SIR. SO THERE ARE STILL THREE, UM, NEIGHBORS WITHIN 300 FEET, UH, THAT ARE NOT IN SUPPORT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHAT SURE. WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED? THIS HAPPENED REALLY QUICK IN THE LAST WEEK, UH, OF HER COMING TO VISIT AND, AND GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE OWNERS AND EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S ONLY THREE, HER AND THE OTHER TWO, 'CAUSE THE OTHER THREE ARE ON VACATION FOR A WEEK. AND I WAS NOT GOING TO, I ASKED HER ABOUT GETTING ANOTHER CONTINUANCE AND IT SAYS IT'S ALREADY BEEN TWO, SO WE DECIDED TO KEEP BEING HONEST ABOUT IT. MR. RAMIREZ, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING? OH, THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. NO, THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU, MR. RAMIREZ. NO, YOU'RE WELCOME TO, YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAFF. UM, JU IF YOU'D COME BACK UP AGAIN FOR A SECOND, OR, OR I GUESS YOU COULD SPEAK FROM THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, SORRY. UM, SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THE, UH, CONCERN ABOUT EMISSIONS. UM, WOULD YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL? WHAT, WHAT CONCERNS ABOUT EMISSIONS FROM THE PAINT BOOTHS? UM, WITHOUT GOING INTO ENVIRONMENTAL DETAILS, SINCE IT'S NOT MY PURVIEW, BUT TYPICALLY THERE ARE HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS TYPE OF USE. THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT, UM, THEY WILL BE UP TO CODE ON WHAT STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS WOULD ALLOW FOR THIS SPECIFIC USE FOR AUTO PAIN AND BODY. UM, BUT WE WERE JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT CONTROLLED, THERE MAY BE SOME POSSIBLE EFFECTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. UH, SO BACK TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE. MM-HMM . EXACTLY. LET'S TALK EMISSIONS. YES. SO, UH, THE PAINT BOOTH IS FOR, FOR THE PAINTING, RIGHT? FOR THE PAINTING OF THE CARS. AND, UH, THE, WHAT, WHAT MAKES THE PAINT DANGEROUS? AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. WELL, THERE IS NO MORE LEAD PAINT, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE WAY IT IS DONE NOW, SAY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SOMETHING AND CONTINUING, IS THAT THEY HAVE, UM, THE EXTRACTOR THAT TAKES THE FUMES OUT, BUT THEY HAVE FILTERS AND THEY HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE FILTERS. AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND NOW THEY HAVE A POLLUTION DEPARTMENT, ARE VERY STRICT AND THEY, UM, THEY COME OVER AND THEY CHECK EVERYTHING EVERY THREE MONTHS. AND THERE'S OVER, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. THERE'S OVER A THOUSAND OF THEM IN USE IN SAN ANTONIO. ALL OF THEIR CAR DEALERSHIPS HAVE 'EM, AND THEY'RE ALL SPECIFIED TO EPA STANDARDS. AND, AND IN THIS SITUATION, SHE MADE A COMMENT AND MY, THE CLIENT INVITED HER OVER AND ACTUALLY INTRODUCED HER TO THE INSPECTOR FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND AFTER SHE DID THAT AND SAW EVERYTHING ON BOTH OF THEM, THAT'S WHY SHE SIGNED DOWN. THAT'S WHAT SHE, SO THE, UH, PAINT BOOTHS ARE FOR THE PAINTING? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. UH, WHAT ABOUT PRIMING? IS PRIMING DONE IN THE PAINT BOOTH? NO. AND ALL OF THAT STUFF IS SANDED AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN WHEN THE, THE, THE VEHICLE OR THE FENDER OR WHATEVER, IT GOES INTO THE BOOTH COMPLETELY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE AFTER COAT? AFTER COAT? IT'S DONE INSIDE THERE. OKAY. BUT NOT THE PRIMING. EVERYTHING IS DONE INSIDE THE PAINT BOOTH, INCLUDING THE SANDING BECAUSE OF THE SAND, EVEN THOUGH THE THINGS HAVE THEIR [02:05:01] DEAL, THEY USE, THEY, EVERYTHING IS WATCHED CAREFULLY. RIGHT. SO THE, UH, UH, IS IT, UH, REGULATIONS THAT, UH, THE PRIMING AND THE AFTER COAT HAS TO BE APPLIED WITHIN THE PAINT BOOTH? OR DO YOU GUYS JUST, OR DOES THE APPLICANT JUST DO THAT AS A THEY, THEY DO THAT AS A CONDITION AND, AND IT, AND IT IS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED TO DO THAT. AND, AND SPEAKING WITH, WITH THE INSPECTORS AND STUFF, THAT'S HOW THEY LEARN ALL THAT. AND UH, INSPECTORS WILL SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN DO THIS OVER HERE IN YOUR, IN, IN THE, IN THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOOTH. UM, YOU CAN DO THAT OVER HERE. UH, OR NO, YOU CAN'T DO THIS OVER HERE. SO WHAT, CAN YOU GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT KIND OF PREPARATION? UH, BEFORE GOING INTO THE PAINT BOOTH? OH, UM, THEY DO COMMERCIAL REPAIRS ON VEHICLES. LIKE THEY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH LIKE PRIME AND DELIVERY. SO THEY DO THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND SO THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A, A FENDER, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT I HAVE SEEN MYSELF AND THEY DON'T STAND A FENDER THAT'S CRUMBLED. THEY REPLACE THE WHOLE PLACE. AND SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT GOES IN TO BE PAINTED BECAUSE WHEN THE PAINT THE OFFENDER OR COMES AS A WHOLE DOESN'T COME PAINTED. RIGHT. IT HAS TO BE PRIMED. SO THAT, AND YOU'RE, UH, ASSERTING ON THE RECORD THAT THE PRIMING IS ALL DONE WITHIN THE PAINT BOOTH? YEAH. 'CAUSE I SAW IT. OKAY. UM, UH, IS THE, UH, UH, APPLICANT HERE TODAY? NO, SIR. OKAY. I'M JUST THE REPRESENTATIVE. RIGHT. OKAY. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, AND THE REASON BEING THAT IS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT. UM, I'VE GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING. I'VE MET INSPECTORS AND EVERYTHING, SO I REALLY HAVE GOTTEN A GOOD FEELING. AND SO WHEN I TALK TO THE, THE, THE SURROUNDING PEOPLE COME OVER AND SEE IT, MEET THE OWNER, LET 'EM TAKE YOU THROUGH IT. AND, AND THAT'S HOW, YEAH. YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THREE OF THE, THE RESIDENTS TO REVERSE THE, THE OTHER TWO WERE ON VACATION , UM, OPEN IT UP FOR, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS. ALRIGHT. QUESTIONS TO THE LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YEAH. YEAH. I GET TO GO FIRST. UM, UH, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, EXPANDED BUILDING, THAT'S WHERE THE PAINT BOOTH WILL BE LOCATED. IT'S, OH, CAN YOU COME AHEAD? CAN YOU POINT IT TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING? THE, YOU'RE JUST GONNA PRESS THIS. WHAT HERE? OH, THANK YOU. THAT RIGHT THERE, SIR. AND SO WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BE FROM THERE TO THE PROPERTY LINE? THE REAR PROPERTY LINE 50, FROM THAT CORNER THERE TO THAT IS 55 FEET. OKAY. SO IT'S BASIC. OKAY. AND SO TCEQ REQUIRES HOW MANY FEET FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE TO A PAINT BOOTH OR A STACK? I DO NOT KNOW THAT, SIR. OKAY. IT'S 50 FEET. UM, SO YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE. OKAY. ACTUALLY I'M LOOKING AT THE ADDITION HERE. SO DID YOU SAY IT'S IN THE ADDITION OR IT'S IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE? IT'S IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE THE ADDITION IS SITTING ABOUT 35 FEET AWAY FROM THAT REAR PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT IT WAS 50 FEET, ARI. NOPE, YOU'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER? WHAT'S THAT? SO LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND. THIS IS, THEY'VE NOT BEEN DOING PAINTING THERE ON PROPERTY? NO. SO THEY'RE JUST WANTING TO EXPAND INTO THAT RATHER? THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, THEY THEY DO, THEY HAVE DONE A COUPLE OF REPAIRS ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT WHEN, WHEN THEY, WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING HAS TO BE PAINTED, THEY TAKE IT TO ANOTHER OF THEIR PLACES THAT HAS A PAINT BOOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LEFT? SEEING NONE QUESTIONS. RIGHT? SEEING NONE. SECOND GO AROUND. COMMISSIONER BEL QUESTIONS? YEAH, THE UM, UH, TO STAFF, I ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ADMISSIONS, UM, AND RECOGNIZING, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IS A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW. UH, BUT JUST WANTED TO ASK IF IT ADDRESSED ANY OF, UH, YOUR CONCERNS WHEN YOU WERE PREPARING THE STAFF REPORT BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED ABOUT THE PAINT BOOTH. I'M SORRY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE SAID IS GOING TO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING OUR, WE DO NOT CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATION. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE SAY HERE IS THAT WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING DENIAL. WE FEEL LIKE THIS USE IS JUST NOT APPROPRIATE HERE. [02:10:01] ABUTTING THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL. SO. OKAY. GOT IT. YEAH, THAT'S IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. CAN THANK YOU. NO SIR. CAN I SAY NO SIR, YOU MAY NOT. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, THEY MAY. TO THE LEFT QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? UH, SIR, YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DOING PAINTING THERE RIGHT NOW. IS THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS A BUDGET COLLISION? NO, NO, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THEN. BUDGET COLLISION. IT'S CALLED BUS B BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT PA DECEMBER 20. IF YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS. DECEMBER 20, I'M SORRY. DECEMBER, 2024. OH, OKAY. 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THEY GOT A PAINT BOOT THERE AT THAT TIME, THE VERY BACK. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I SURE I IMPORTANT FOLLOW UP. UH, WHEN DID THE BUSINESS BECOME BUSY BEE COLLISION? PAST YEAR. I MEAN THEY, IT WAS, IT WAS A, IT WAS UNDER ANOTHER NAME, BUDGET, SOMETHING. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, AND THEY, THEN THEY, THEY BRANDED THEIR NAME BUSY WEE. SO THE, UH, PREVIOUS OWNERS SOLD IT WHEN, OH MY GOD. WHEN DID IT CHANGE HANDS? NO, NO, I'M SORRY. NO, THEY WERE THE SAME OWNERS. THEY JUST CHANGED THE NAME. I SEE. SORRY. YEAH. SO, UH, COULD WE, UH, GET ON GOOGLE MAPS? UM, COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ IDENTIFIED SOMETHING ON GOOGLE MAPS. COULD WE GET THAT UP? 'CAUSE I HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THAT. MR. PETE RODRIGUEZ, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT? OH, IF YOU CLICK ON THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE. YEAH. YOU SEE HOW IT SAYS, CAN YOU ZOOM UP, ZOOM IN ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. THAT WHITE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. THAT WHITE BUILDING RIGHT THERE. WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, IT'S ALL OPEN ALL THE WAY AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK. THAT THAT RIGHT, THAT RIGHT THERE. WHAT IS THAT I, THAT LOOKS LIKE A PAINT BOOTH TO ME. I DON'T, I'M NOT, IT IS A PAINT BOOTH. I THOUGHT I JUST ASKED YOU IF THERE WAS A PAINT BOOTH. YOU SAID THERE WASN'T. THAT WAS, THAT WAS A PAINT BOOTH THAT WAS THERE. THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE A NEW, THEY'RE GETTING A NEW ONE, BUT THAT WAS THERE. THEY ASKED YOU IF THEY WERE DOING PAINTING, YOU SAID NO, THEY WERE NOT DOING PAINTING. THEY WERE NOT USING THAT. AND, AND THEN I ASKED YOU IF THAT, IF, IF YOU HAD A PAINT BOOTH AND YOU ALSO SAID NO, THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THEY, THAT THEY WEREN'T USING IT, THAT THEY TOOK IT OUT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT WASN'T, IT, IT WASN'T THE NEW ONE AND EVERYTHING AND THEY, WE HAD THE INSPECTORS OVER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE WANTED TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OH, ALRIGHT. TO MY RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME, SIR. COMMISSIONER DOVE TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. YEAH, I, THE, UH, IF IT'S NOT CLEAR, THE ISSUE WITH THE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ'S VERY ASTUTE OBSERVATION, UM, WAS THAT THERE WAS A PAINT BOOTH. UM, THE PAINT BOOTH WAS NOT THERE IN FEBRUARY, 2023 WHEN IT WAS MUELLER, UH, WATER CONDITIONING INK. UM, THEN IT, UH, WAS ACQUIRED BY THE PRESENT OWNER WHO, UH, APPARENTLY PUT IN A, A PAINT BOOTH AT SOME POINT BETWEEN FEBRUARY, 2023. AND, UH, THAT POINT IN 2024, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT HAD NOT BEEN THE, UH, UH, PERSPECTIVE THAT I WAS GIVEN UP UNTIL NOW IN THE CASE. UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATE, UH, IT DOES CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE, THE TONE OF THE CASE, UM, THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, NON-CONFORMING USE, UM, ON THE PROPERTY. UM, BUT EVEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT ASIDE, UM, WHAT IT, WHAT IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO FOR ME, UH, CURRENTLY SHOWN ON THE NOTIFICATION PLAN MAP, UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET, YOU HAVE, UM, THREE THAT ARE IN SUPPORT, UH, AND SIX THAT ARE OPPOSED. UM, THAT'S THE CURRENT MAP, RIGHT? CORRECTION THERE, IT'S GONNA BE SIX NOW SINCE THREE OF THE THREE OUT OF THE SIX RETRACTED, SO IT'S GONNA BE SIX. IT'S NOT CORRECTLY REFLECTED ON, ON THE POWERPOINT SINCE HE SUBMITTED BEFORE THE START OF THE MEETING. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OH GOODNESS. WHEN I, WHEN I ASKED THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE EARLIER SAID IT WAS REPRESENTATIVE, BUT I THINK I MISCOUNTED AS WELL. UM, BUT IN, IN ANY CASE, UH, THAT'S NOT UNANIMITY. I, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS KIND OF A USE BASED ON THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THIS KIND OF A USE, UH, I, YOU KNOW, WOULD REALLY ONLY BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT IF THERE WAS UNANIMITY. UM, SIX IS NOT NINE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, UH, I AM GONNA BE RECOMMENDING, UH, DENIAL, UH, [02:15:02] AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, TO SAY IT NOW, UH, THAT DOES NOT, WOULD NOT PRECLUDE, IF THAT'S THE WAY THE COMMISSION GOES, THAT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE THE APPLICANT FROM GOING TO COUNSEL. AND IF THE REMAINING, UH, TWO, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS DID TRULY COME OUT IN SUPPORT, I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, VERY RELEVANT INFORMATION TO THE, TO THE COUNCILWOMAN, UM, AT COUNCIL. UH, BUT AT THIS TIME I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH CONTINUANCES. I'M NOT GONNA BE ENTERTAINING. AT LEAST I WILL NOT BE ENTERTAINING ANOTHER CONTINUANCE. UM, SO I, UH, MOVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. ALRIGHT, VERY, VERY GOOD. THERE IS A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM JUMPING THE GUN A LITTLE BIT. UM, . ALRIGHT, SORRY. UH, MOTION IS FOR DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR BY COMMISSIONER BEL WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. VERY GOOD. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER VO ON THE MOTION TO DENY. AYE. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LOEP. YES. COMMISSIONER NOOSA. YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER WOODSON? YES. COMMISSIONER PANA? YES. CHAIR BUSMAN. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, THIS IS A RECOMMENDING BODY. YOU'RE GOING ON TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. JOEL PIMA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS LOCATED AT 1301 ROOSEVELT AVENUE, GOING FROM C ONE LIKE COMMERCIAL TO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR ALCOHOL BAR AND OR TAVERN WITHOUT COVER CHARGE, OR THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. THERE WERE 29 NOTICES SENT OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR, FIVE OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET. ROOSEVELT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED OUTSIDE. 200 FEET, 11 ARE OPPOSED. AND THE RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PETITION OF CONSENT WITH FIVE SIGNATURES IN SUPPORT WITHIN 200 FEET AND FIVE OUTSIDE 200 FEET. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED USE WAS NOT EXPLICITLY STATED IN THIS PETITION. THREE OF THOSE SIGNATURES FROM THIS PETITION WAS RETRACTED AND RECORDED IN OPPOSITION WITHIN 200 FEET AS TWO AND ONE IN OPPOSITION OUTSIDE 200 FEET. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN, DUMPED IN 2019 AND IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS URBAN MIXED USE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE COMMOD COMPONENT OF THE PLAN. THE REQUESTED SEAT TO COMMERCIAL BASED ZONING DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, AND LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. THE EXISTING LIKE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING AND FOR THE PROPERTY AND AREA. LIKEWISE, THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE BAR AND OR TAVERN IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE PROPERTY SITUATED ALONG ROOSEVELT AVENUE, A PRIMARY ARTERIAL CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING A BROAD RANGE OF COMMERCIAL USES AND ASSOCIATED TRAFFIC DEMANDS WITHIN THE MIXED USE NATURE OF THIS CORRIDOR. THE PROPOSED USE IS COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL AREA, WHICH INCLUDES GAS STATION, USES, CONVENIENCE STORES, MOTELS, T MUFFLER SHOPS, RESTAURANTS, AND BAR AND TAVERNS. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS A REQUESTED ZONING IN APP, APPRO APPROPRIATE FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA, AND CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ALONG ROOSEVELT AVENUE CORRIDOR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. MY NAME IS MARK GARCIA, 1301 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. OKAY. TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT. UH, THIS PROJECT. WHAT, UH, MY WIFE AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE A, UH, BAR, UH, SOCIAL CL UH, PUB, UM, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT MOST LIKELY, [02:20:01] UM, THE PEOPLE THAT I AM INVITING TO THIS PLACE IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WE HAD OVER AT THE CADILLAC BAR AT ONE TIME BEFORE IT CLOSED. UM, PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE, UM, JUST TRYING TO BUILD THIS PLACE. UM, LITTLE MOM AND POP TYPE OF BUSINESS. NOTHING MAJOR, NOT A, YOU KNOW, BIG UH, CHAIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS JUST A SMALL LITTLE PLACE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CALL IT OUR LITTLE OLD BUSINESS HERE. UH, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A BUSINESS BEFORE. I'VE BEEN A BAIL BONDSMAN FOR 24 YEARS AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST. I HAVE WORKED AT A FEW BARS AND I KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN IT. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE. UM, I, UM, I, I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT, UH, ARE ALWAYS ASKING ME ALMOST ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHEN ARE YOU GONNA OPEN? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY NAMES, UM, I, ONCE I MENTIONED THIS TO SOME CERTAIN PEOPLE, THEY TOLD ME PEOPLE FROM THE COURTHOUSE WILL NEVER COME TO A TRASH LIKE THIS. UM, I DON'T CALL IT A LITTLE TRASH, I CALL IT A LITTLE BUSINESS THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT REZONING, WE DID NOT KNOW, UH, WHAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF WHEN WE STARTED BUILDING THIS THING. YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE A BUILDING THERE THAT IS EMPTY. UH, WE HAVE, YES, A COUPLE OF BIRTHDAY PARTIES, PRIVATE, BYOB, WE CANNOT SELL ANYTHING. WE DON'T WANT TO BREAK ANY RULES, ANY LAWS. SO WE DO HAVE THIS BUILDING THERE. WE DO PAY FOR, UH, UH, SECURITY CAMERAS INSIDE AND OUT, WHICH I STARTED PAYING THIS THINKING. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH, WHAT LONG RUN THIS WAS GONNA BE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING TO BE PRETTY EXPENSIVE. BUT, UM, MY WIFE AND I ARE STRONG. WE ARE HOPING THAT SOMETHING GOOD COULD HAPPEN OUT OF THIS. UM, AND, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE JUST HOPING FOR THE BEST, YOU KNOW, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, I COULD GET THE PANEL TO AT LEAST HAVE A SOFTHEARTED AND HELP US OUT WITH THIS LITTLE PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING. ALRIGHT? YEP. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. GARCIA. UH, YOU'LL YEAH, I'LL CALL YOU BACK UP IN A SECOND. MOST LIKELY. UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS, SO I'LL GET STARTED. UM, FIRST WE HAVE MR. ARMANDO SANTIAGO AND HE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DENISE VALENTINE. OKAY. AND SO AS A REMINDER, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR TIME TO SOMEONE ELSE, UH, THE TIME IS BEFORE THEY COME UP HERE AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES. SO, MR. SANTIAGO, COME ON UP AND UP TO TWO PEOPLE CAN GIVE YOU TIME. UH, OTHERWISE YOU GET TWO MINUTES. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, SONY COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ARMANDO SANTIAGO AND I RESIDE AT 5 2 3 WEST HIGHLAND BOULEVARD. AND I'LL BE READING, UH, MY WIFE'S ANA'S STATEMENT. UH, SHE WAS AT ANOTHER LOCATION TODAY. UM, I OPPOSE THE REZONING OF 13 0 1 ROOSEVELT BOULEVARD FROM C ONE TO C TWO TO OPEN A BAR. I GREW UP AT 1 24 HAYNES, A GRADUATE OF BRACK HIGH SCHOOL, AND RETURNING TO TEACH FOR 17 YEARS THERE AT SAIZ. THROUGH THAT TIME OF HER YOUTH AND WORK, THE CORNER OF MITCHELL STREET AND ROOSEVELT AVENUE HAS HAD THE UGLY BRU UGLY PROBLEM OF DRUG DEALERS, PROSTITUTES, AND HOMELESS CAMPS. FOR 50 YEARS, THE COMMUNITY HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT THE EVER CLEAN MOTEL, VACANT PROPERTIES, AND THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF DRUG DEALERS AND PROSTITUTES. THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUESTING THE REZONING TO OPEN THE BAR WILL CONTINUE TO INFLUENCE THE NEGATIVE ACTIVITY THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO CLEAN UP. A BAR WOULD NOT IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA. TAKE A DRIVE ANYTIME OF THE DAY OR NIGHT, AND YOU WILL SEE PROSTITUTES SOLICITING DRUG DEALING OR PEOPLE ON DRUGS, HOMELESS PEOPLE, AND MONTHLY ILL PEOPLE OF ALL AGES ON ROOSEVELT AVENUE FROM STEVE STREET, MITCHELL, FELICIA, AND ISABEL STREET. WHEN WILL THE CITY CLEAN UP THIS AREA AND NOT SUPPORT BUSINESSES THAT ARE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR COMMUNITY'S QUALITY OF LIFE? DO WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER 50 YEARS? SHE SAYS NO TO REZONING. AND IF I WAS KEEN FOR A DAY, I WOULD SAY LET'S ZONE IN FOR A SATELLITE POLICE STATION. MAYBE WE COULD CLEAN UP THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THEY WOULDN'T NEED ZONING. UH, THANK YOU MR. SANTIAGO. NEXT, UH, MS. DENISE VALENTINE TO BE FOLLOWED BY MR. DANIEL, UH, SINGA. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DENISE VALENTINE AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY. I LIVE AT 1 27 LORETA PLACE AND I'M HERE TODAY TO RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE [02:25:01] THE REQUEST TO CONVERT THIS PROPERTY INTO A BAR. I ALREADY LIVE NEAR A CORNER BAR, HALF A MILE FROM THIS PROPOSED LOCATION. AND I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE IMPACTS THIS TYPE OF USE HAS ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ROUTINELY HAVE TO PICK UP TRASH LEFT BEHIND, AND WE ARE OFTEN AWAKENED LATE AT NIGHT BY LOUD NOISE, RAISED VOICES, MUSIC AND DRUNKEN CONVERSATIONS AS PATRONS LEAVE. PARKING IS ALSO A CONSTANT ISSUE WITH OVERFILLING RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND LIMITING ACCESS FOR RESIDENTS. THESE ARE ONGOING QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS, NOT OCCASIONAL INCONVENIENCES. BEYOND THESE DAILY IMPACTS, THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT. INCIDENT INCIDENTS NEAR SIMILAR VENUES HAVE RESULTED IN ARREST AND IN SOME CASES LOSS OF LIFE. LIVING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS ENVIRONMENT BRINGS A LEVEL OF RISK AND DISTRESS THAT GOES FAR BEYOND NORMAL NEIGHBORHOOD EXPECTATIONS. THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. A BAR IS A HIGH INTENSITY LATE NIGHT USE THAT BRINGS INCREASED FOOT TRAFFIC, NOISE AND ACTIVITY THAT EXTENDS BEYOND THE PROPERTY ITSELF. PARKING DEMAND OFTEN EXCEEDS WHAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED ON SITE LEADING TO CONGESTION AND DISRUPTION IN NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE IS ALSO BROADER PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS, ASSOCIATE ASSOCIATED WITH THE LATE NIGHT ALCOHOL SERVING ESTABLISHMENTS, INCLUDING DISTURBANCES AND ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES. APPROVING THIS REQUEST WOULD SET A PRECEDENT THAT WOULD GRADUALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS COMMUNITY IN WAYS THAT ARE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF CURRENT RESIDENTS. FOR THIS REASON, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST. I LIVE WITH THE REAL CONSEQUENCES OF THIS TYPE OF USE EVERY DAY. PLEASE DON'T BRING MORE OF IT INTO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONVENIENCE. THANK YOU MS. VALENTINE. NEXT, NEXT WE HAVE DANIEL MONGA AND TO BE FOLLOWED BY ROBERT BENDER. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DANIEL MEISINGER. I LIVE AT 2 35 YELLOWSTONE. OUR FAMILY'S BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1962. UH, WE'RE NOTHING AGAINST, UH, WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE GROWING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF APPROVING ANOTHER BAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE HAVE 15 BARS ALREADY, 15 ALREADY. WE HAVE TANDEM ON ROOSEVELT AND RIVERSIDE. WE HAVE TEE TIME ON ROOSEVELT, PECAN GROVE ON ROOSEVELT, THE SILVERADO ON PROB BEN MITCHELL KIPP'S PLACE ON STEVES AND PROBAND COCO LO AT STEVES AND PROB TWO BLOCKS AWAY. STOKER'S AT 7 0 2 ROOSEVELT LU CHAO AT 6 22 ROOSEVELT. UH, WE HAVE THE NEW MCINTYRE'S AT 1 0 3 5 SOUTH PRES. SO WE HAVE PALOMINOS AT 1 0 9 PLAYMORE STREET. WE HAVE CHUNKY'S BAR AND FOOD ON SOUTH PREST STREET. WE HAVE THE POETIC REPUBLIC WINE BAR. WE HAVE MINI'S ON SOUTH PREST STREET 34 15, WHICH IS FOR SALE. ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO BUY IT. IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL. UH, WE HAVE THE LAST STOP AT 26 19 SOUTH PRESA. AND THEN WE ALSO JUST HAVE BONDS. ROCK HOUSE AT 42 14 SOUTH PRESA. WE'RE SATURATED WITH BARS. WE HAVE TOO MANY BARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. NOW WITH SEVERAL OF THESE PLACES OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM THIS IS RECIPE FOR TROUBLE ON TOP OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING SPACES. ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE HAD A TECH COMPANY THAT WAS GONNA OPEN UP ON THE CORNER OF DREXEL AND PRESA, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SAID MM-HMM YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES, SO GUESS WHAT? IT'S FOR SALE. IT'S EMPTY AND IT'S OVERGROWN BECAUSE THE CITY SAID NO PARKING SPACES. YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR EMPLOYEES THERE. SO JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. I KNOW I'M SHORT ON TIME. JUST AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD OVER A HUNDRED POLICE CALLS WITHIN A TWO OR THREE BLOCK RADIUS SO FAR THIS YEAR. WE'RE ON PLAN FOR 200. DOES ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM WANT TO HAVE 200 CALLS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR WITHIN TWO OR THREE BLOCKS FROM YOUR PLACE? WE ARE ASKING THE COMMITTEE TO LISTEN TO THE VOICES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PLEASE DON'T APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. MUNSER. NEXT, NEXT WE HAVE ROBERT BENDER TO BE FOLLOWED BY JACOB HAM. I'M GONNA GIVE FIVE MINUTES TO JACOB. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MR. BENDER. MR. BENDER IS GIVING TWO MINUTES TO MR. STEAD, SO HE WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. YES. ALRIGHT. UH, MY NAME IS JACOB STEDHAM. I LIVE AT 1 3 2 CASTILLO AVENUE. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE ROOSEVELT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M GONNA BE PRESENTING OUR DETAILED FINDINGS, UH, ON THE PROPOSED REZONING OF 1301 ROOSEVELT. GO AHEAD. UH, OUR ASSOCIATION GENERALLY AGREES THAT ACTIVE BUSINESSES ARE BETTER THAN VACANT BUILDINGS, BUT THIS IS NOT THE CASE FOR EVERY BUSINESS AT EVERY LOCATION. THE HISTORY OF THIS LOCATION AND THE EXPERIENCE OF NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS HAS PROVEN THAT A BAR IS WORSE FOR THE AREA THAN A VACANT BUILDING. THERE ARE THREE MAJOR FACTORS THAT MAKE A BAR UNSUITABLE. THAT IS, UH, THE WIDESPREAD [02:30:01] COMMUNITY OPPOSITION, THE HIGH CRIME IN THE AREA, AND THE INADEQUATE PARKING. GO AHEAD. UM, OUR ASSOCIATION CANVAS THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY, UH, AND WE ALSO POLLED OUR MEMBERSHIP AND WE CANNOT FIND A SINGLE NEIGHBOR WHO WAS IN FAVOR OF THE REZONING. WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHO IS, WHO ALSO OPPOSE BY OUR COUNT, THERE ARE NINE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE LOCATION. SIX OF NINE RESIDENTS CONFIRMED WITH OUR ASSOCIATION THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO THE REZONING. THE OTHER THREE RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTIES, UH, COULD NOT BE REACHED. THERE IS A NEIGHBORING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THE HT SANCHEZ LAW OFFICE THAT ALSO OPPOSES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS OUR COUNT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, THERE ARE THREE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT CAPTURED, UH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT INPUT DIDN'T MAKE IT IN TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT, UM, WE PULLED CRIME STATISTICS, UH, FROM LEXINEXIS COMMUNITY CRIME MAP. UM, I PULLED THE LAST YEAR, 365 DAYS, UH, FOR THE AREA DIRECTLY AROUND THE, THE PROPOSED REZONING. UH, AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THERE WERE 109 CRIMES DURING THIS 365 DAY PERIOD. SO THAT IS ONE CRIME EVERY THREE DAYS. UM, I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER IF YOU SAW SAPD SIRENS ON YOUR BLOCK TWICE A WEEK, UM, YOU KNOW HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN THAT AREA. AND THAT IS WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ALREADY HAVE TO DEAL WITH WITHOUT A BAR PRESENT BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR THE LAST YEAR. UM, THAT COMMUNITY CRIME MAP DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BEXAR COUNTY, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT EITHER. SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY AT THAT SITE. THIS IS JUST REALLY QUICKLY HOW I PULLED THIS, THE STATISTICS SO THE ZONING COMMISSION CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE ACCURATE. GO AHEAD. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE AREA THAT WAS COVERED JUST 500 FOOT RADIUS FROM, UH, THE PROPOSED AREA THERE WITH THE BLUE PEN. NEXT SLIDE. UH, AND THAT IS VERIFICATION. THERE ARE 109 RECORDS IN THE LAST YEAR. NEXT SLIDE. AND THESE ARE THE STATISTICS FOR THOSE 109 RECORDS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DRUG USE IS PREVALENT. UH, THAT'S THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE, UH, AS EXPRESSED BY OUR NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS. AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT, UH, INCORPORATES THE OTHER 28%, THE LARGEST CASE FOR HARASSMENT, EVADING FAILURE TO STOP, ET CETERA. OKAY. UM, THE LAST THING IS THERE IS INADEQUATE PARKING AT THIS LOCATION CODE REQUIRES THAT THERE'S ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 100 SQUARE FEET FOR A BAR. UH, THE SITE PLAN SAYS THIS IS 3,600 SQUARE FEET, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE 36 PARKING SPACES. THERE ARE ONLY 16 MARKED PARKING SPACES AT THE SITE. UH, AND THAT'S SHARED WITH TWO OTHER PROPERTIES. ONE IS A FOUR UNIT MULTIFAMILY AND THE OTHER IS A 13 TABLE RESTAURANT. THESE ARE ALL OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER. UM, AS OF THIS MEETING, WE HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN ANY PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH ANY NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES, AND WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS THAT THERE'S STILL NOT ENOUGH PARKING, EVEN IF THERE WERE AGREEMENTS WITH NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL JUST POINT OUT, UM, 1301 ROOSEVELT. THERE IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, THE 13 TABLE RESTAURANT DIRECTLY BEHIND. THAT'S A SERVICE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE TWO. UM, THERE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER, YOU SEE THE 16 PARKING SPACES THAT THEY'RE CLAIMING IS ADEQUATE AND THE FOUR UNIT MULTIFAMILY IN FRONT. SO FOUR OF THOSE SPACES ARE DEDICATED TO THE MULTIFAMILY. THAT PARKING IS ALSO BEING CLAIMED FOR THE RESTAURANT. UH, THAT LEAVES VERY LITTLE OF FOR THE 36 SPACES THAT'S REQUIRED, UH, BY CODE FOR THE BAR. UH, SO TO SUMMARIZE, UH, FOR THOSE THREE REASONS, THE, UM, THE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION, THE HIGH CRIME IN THE AREA, AND THE ADEQUATE PARKING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, CONTINUES TO OPPOSE THIS REZONING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. STU. NEXT WE HAVE MR. OSWALD, JOHN, UM, HIRA, AND HE IS TO BE FOLLOWED BY VANESSA, UH, ELLIS. GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN AND, AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ZO JOHN AND I LIVE AT 2 0 6 ISABEL STREET, WHICH IS ABOUT A BLOCK AND A HALF, TWO BLOCKS FROM, UH, THE SITE IN QUESTION. AND I'M HERE TO, UM, UH, GIVE MY OPPOSITION TO THIS, UM, ESTABLISHMENT TO, TO BE REZONED. UM, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. I I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF THE CITY STAFF. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND THIS GIVEN ALL THE STATS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, UH, PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE, THE CRIME IN THE AREA AND THE CONGESTION IN THE AREA AS WELL. UM, I WORSHIP AT MISSION CONCEPTION CHURCH AND ABOUT WHAT 10 YEARS AGO IS DESIGNATED AS A WORLD HERITAGE SITE. UH, IT'S ABOUT THREE BLOCKS AWAY FROM THIS PROPERTY, AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD MAKE EFFORTS TO ENHANCE THIS AREA. THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO ABOUT THREE BLOCKS AWAY, FOUR BLOCKS AWAY FROM, UH, ST. PETER AND JOSEPH CHILDREN'S CENTER, WHICH IS, UM, UH, A RENOWNED, UH, AREA FOR REHABILITATION, UH, OF, OF, OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. AND SO I WOULD THINK THAT, UM, THE CITY WOULD DO ITS MAKE ITS EFFORTS TO DEVELOP THIS AREA FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO [02:35:01] THOSE TYPES OF, UM, OF, UM, UH, INSTITUTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. VANESSA ELLIS TO BE FOLLOWED BY GABRIELA GUEST. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M VANESSA REVELLA. I'M RESIDENT OF ROOSEVELT PARK AT 5 1 2 HOCK, AND I'M ALSO AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY AND FIRMLY ASK THE BOARD TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND REZONING OF 1301 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. IN 2018, THE CITY MADE A PROMISE TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC SOUTH SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAFEGUARD OUR UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE DESIGNATION BY PASSING THE MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT. UM, THIS EXPLICIT LEGAL PURPOSE OF THE OVERLAY IS TO GUARD THE INTEGRITY AND THE PEACE OF THE WORLD. HERITAGE CORRIDORS. WHEN THE TAVERN PREVIOUSLY OPERATED AT 1301 ROOSEVELT THEN CLOSED IN 2020, IT TRANSITIONED TO A PLACE OF WORSHIP. AND LATER THAT YEAR, THE LAW WORKED AS IT WAS INTENDED TO, AND IT GRANDFA IN THE GRANDFATHERED RIGHTS FOR THE HIGH INTENSITY LATE NIGHT ALCOHOL SALES LEGALLY EXPIRED UNDER THAT UDC 12 MONTH VACANCY RULE. SO THE SYSTEM'S DOWNGRADED THIS PROPERTY TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC. AND REVERSING THAT PROGRESS TODAY UNDERMINES THAT THE CITY'S OWN WORLD HERITAGE MANDATE DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE, UM, FROM A RESIDENTIAL STANDPOINT AND KIND OF PUTS US BACK FROM THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE. BRINGING A LATE NIGHT BAR BACK TO THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION INTRODUCES NOISE, LATE NIGHT TRAFFIC, PARKING DISRUPTIONS, AND DIRECTLY INTO THE RESIDENTIAL CORRIDOR. WE'RE NOT ANTI-DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT A VIBRANT GROWTH IN ROOSEVELT AVENUE. HOWEVER, IT MUST BE GROWTH THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESPECTS THE BUFFER ZONE. A LATE NIGHT TAVERN FUNDAMENTALLY IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE VISION ESTABLISHED FOR THIS CORRIDOR. PLEASE UPHOLD THE 2018 PROTECTIONS AND RESPECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE WORLD. HERITAGE BUFFER. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. VELES. NEXT WE HAVE GABRIELA GAST TO BE FOLLOWED BY JEFF HUNT. HELLO, MY NAME IS GABRIELA GAST. I LIVE AT THREE 10 HANSFORD STREET. UM, AND AS A RESIDENT AND MEMBER OF THE RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ME AND MY FAMILY FREQUENTLY DRIVE DOWN ROOSEVELT WHERE THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS. UH, AS OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, THIS AREA IS, UM, A HARBOR FOR ALL KINDS OF ILLICIT ACTIVITIES INCLUDING DRUG USE, VIOLENT CRIME, PROSTITUTION, AND MORE. UM, THIS MAKES THIS ABSOLUTELY UNSAFE FOR FAMILY LIKE OURS TO WALK THROUGH OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS ISN'T ABOUT SINGLING OUT ONE BUSINESS. IT'S RATHER ABOUT THE GENERAL, UH, PATTERN OF THE AREA. THERE ARE ALREADY EIGHT BARS IN OPERATION WITHIN ONE MILE OF THIS LOCATION. AND WE ALREADY DEAL WITH BROKEN BEER BOTTLES, TRASH ON THE SIDEWALKS, AND NOISE COMPLAINTS. UH, REZONING 1301 ROOSEVELT TO A HIGHER INTENSITY USE AS A BAR WOULD ONLY ADD TO THE ISSUES SURROUNDING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IN FACT, CONCERNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RAISED AT THIS, ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AFTER AN EVENT WAS HELD THERE. UH, A RECENT MEETING AT A RECENT MEETING, A NEIGHBOR EXPRESSED FEELING UNSAFE AFTER UNEXPECTEDLY, UH, ENCOUNTERING A GROUP OF MEN AT NIGHT WHO WERE IN THE PARKING LOT LOITERING AS SHE WAS TAKING HER DOG OUT FOR A WALK. UH, DESPITE ASSURANCES FROM THE BUSINESS OWNER THAT THEY'LL BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE PROPERTY. MY CONCERN, WHICH IS SHARED BY OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS, IS THAT BECAUSE THE ZONING WILL REMAIN TIED TO THE LAND, UH, IT MAY END UP IN THE HANDS OF SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T SHARE A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY AS A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE SIMPLY CAN'T PUT OUR HOPES IN ANY ONE BUSINESS OWNER. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE CITY ITSELF HAS A SHARED INTEREST IN REDUCING THE LEVEL OF HIGH INTENSITY USE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA. AS OUTLINED IN THE SA TOMORROW SOUTH SUB PLAN. UM, A LARGE AREA REZONING WAS COMPLETED IN 2019 TO HELP REALIZE THIS VISION AND REVERSING COURSE NOW WOULD UNDERMINE YEARS OF TIME AND EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE ZONING COMMISSION DENIES THE REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR DECISION. THANK YOU. MS. GAS. MR. HUNT. [02:40:01] GOOD AFTERNOON. JEFF HUNT, LIVE AT 1 21 LORETTA PLACE. AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF, UH, THE ROOSEVELT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. IGNORE THE CATS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. UH, I REALLY WANNA COME UP AND SAY, UH, HOW PROUD I AM OF, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, AND HOW MANY OF THEM, UH, GAVE UP THEIR AFTERNOON AND BROUGHT THEIR CHILDREN, UH, TO COME AND HANG OUT TODAY AND REALLY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY OPPOSE, UH, THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS. WE'VE HAD MANY, UM, NEIGHBORS ALSO WRITE IN. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE THAT LIVE ON FELICIA ARE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE BECAUSE THEY FEEL INTIMIDATED BY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD READ SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORS. HER NAME IS EVA ROSALES. SHE IS PART OF A FAMILY THAT OWNS THREE PROPERTIES RIGHT THERE ON FEA. SHE SAYS THAT THEY ARE AGAINST ANY ZONING CHANGE, UM, AND SHE HAS LIVED AT HER ADDRESS FOR 58 YEARS. AND THEREFORE, I CAN OFFER A GLIMPSE OF WHAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS LIKE WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ZONED AS A BAR. FIRST PARKING FOR THE BAR FILLED BOTH SIDES OF FEA STREET. THE NEIGHBORS COULD NOT LEAVE THEIR DRIVEWAY SAFELY BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT LEAVE SPACE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO EXIT. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE VERY NARROW STREET FEA, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES ARE UNABLE TO COME DOWN THE STREET. UM, SHE SAID THAT OFTEN, UH, THE PATRONS OF THE BARS WOULD SIT IN THEIR CARS IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, DRINKING ALCOHOL, DOING OTHER DRUGS, AND PLAYING LOUD MUSIC AFTER CLOSING WAS THE WORST. PATRONS WOULD LOUDLY AND VIOLENTLY FIGHT IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WOULD LIVE, LEAVE BEER BOTTLES AND TRASH ALL OVER OUR YARDS. AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY MORNINGS SMELLED OF URINE BECAUSE CUSTOMERS WOULD RELIEVE THEMSELVES IN OUR YARDS AND PLANTS. UM, A BAR A TAVERN IS NOT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE ROSALES RENTALS LLC BECAUSE RENTERS DON'T WANNA LIVE NEAR A BUNCH OF BARS THAT ATTRACT AND INCREASE CRIME AND PROPERTY DAMAGE. UM, I THINK THAT MY NEIGHBORS WILL CONTINUE TO COME UP AND GIVE YOU MORE ARGUMENTS WHY, BUT TO SAY ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE. WE SUPPORT, UH, INVESTMENT AND BUSINESS, BUT THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT BUSINESS FOR THAT LOCATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MR. HUNT. UH, LORENZO CONTRAREZ TO BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, SHANNON LORE, I BELIEVE. LOCKE LOCKE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD LORENZO CONTR. I LIVE AT 5 4 2 CRAVENS AVENUE. UM, WHILE I DON'T WANNA SET ASIDE ANY OF THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT ALL, UM, WE GO BY A PREMISE THAT WE BELIEVE THAT BARS ARE BAD, BARS, DO THIS, BARS DO THAT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. WHAT MY FRIEND MARK GARCIA WANTS TO DO IS TO UPGRADE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GOING TO THAT BAR AND NOT HAVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE. HE JUST WANTS A SHOT AT IT. THE FOLKS HE HANGS AROUND WITH, THE FOLKS THAT I KNOW HE HANGS AROUND WITH ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY'RE NOT THE TYPE TO STICK AROUND AND START FIGHTS AND DO WHATEVER HE MENTIONED, UH, THE CADILLAC BAR EARLIER, THEY HAVEN'T EVER HAD THOSE PROBLEMS AT THE CADILLAC BAR. AND THOSE FOLKS WANT A PLACE TO START HANGING OUT. AND MARK GARCIA'S PLACE IS ONE OF THOSE PLACES THAT THEY MAY START DOING THAT AT. HE DOESN'T WANT ANY OF THE BAD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. I'M POSITIVE THAT HE'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PICKING UP ANY TRASH THAT ANY OF THOSE FOLKS LEAVE AROUND. HE'S GONNA HOPE THAT NONE OF THEM DO THAT, ESPECIALLY THE BAD STUFF LIKE URINATING IN PLACES THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THAT'S JUST NOT THE CLIENTELE HE'S GONNA HAVE THERE. AND, UH, WHILE LIKE I SAID, UH, THE OPPOSITION IS GREAT, I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE GIVE HIM A SHOT, UH, AND APPROVE IT FOR ZONING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. RES. MR. LOCKE. AND WHO'S NEXT? WELL, I BELIEVE, UH, MS. GARCIA, ARE YOU HERE? YOU WERE GONNA GIVE YOUR TIME? YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. LOCKE WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. CORRECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THANK YOU BOARD FOR, UH, HAVING US. MY NAME'S SHANNON LOCKE. I'M AT 2 1 3 1 WINDING VIEW AND I'D JUST LIKE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY FRIEND MARK GARCIA. IF YOU PRACTICE CRIMINAL LAW LIKE I DO, I'M A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY. UH, MARK GARCIA IS IN THE COURTHOUSE EVERY DAY, AND HE IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS TALKED TO ME. UH, IN THE YEARS THAT I'VE KNOWN HIM. UH, HE HAS TALKED TO ME ABOUT HIS DREAM OF OWNING A BAR. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR THIS COMMISSION AND FOR THIS BOARD. UH, THIS IS HIS LIFELONG DREAM ALONG WITH HIS WIFE. UH, THEY WANT TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THE BUSINESS IS SUCCESSFUL, THAT IT IS A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, CONTRIBUTES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DOESN'T CREATE SOME OF THE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS THAT THESE FOLKS HAVE. THEY'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT. I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS. UH, THEY HAVE, UH, SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS AND UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND THEY'VE TAKEN THOSE CONCERNS TO HEART. BUT MARK IS A STICKLER FOR THE RULES. [02:45:01] UH, HE IS SOMEBODY WHO AS A BONDSMAN, UH, HAS NO ILLUSIONS AS TO THE CHARACTER OF THE PEOPLE, UH, THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. AND HE'LL MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THEY, UH, FOLLOW THE RULES, THAT THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE, UH, HIS LIFELONG DREAM AND ALLOW HIM TO HAVE THIS SHOT AT THIS BUSINESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. LUCK. NEXT, UH, AM AMANDA OR AMADA MILLER. MS. MILLER, YOU WANNA GIVE YOUR TIME TO? OKAY. UM, KAREN, UH, KAREN BERG AND SHE IS TO BE FOLLOWED BY MR. ROLAND. UH, PRETO. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KAREN BRANDENBURG. I LIVE AT 2 0 1 ISABEL, UH, JUST OUTSIDE OF THIS RED CIRCLE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS SITUATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY IS NOT GREAT. I THINK YOU'VE HEARD FROM MY OTHER NEIGHBORS, BUT I LIVE IT. I AVOID THAT INTERSECTION AT ALL POSSIBLE. THAT IS NOT AN INTERSECTION. EXCUSE ME, THAT IS NOT AN INTERSECTION. I WOULD WALK. THAT IS NOT AN AREA I WOULD GO TO FOR ANY REASON. I WOULD, I AVOIDED EVEN DRIVING. I JUST CANNOT RISK SOMEONE WALKING IN FRONT OF MY VEHICLE OR SOMEONE STANDING IN THE STREET. UM, WHAT THIS, UH, BAR WOULD BRING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE UNWANTED FOOT TRAFFIC. IT WOULD BRING VEHICLES PARKED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACCESS THE BAR. 'CAUSE THERE'S VERY LIMITED PARKING, AS YOU'VE HEARD. UM, AND JUST THE OVERALL AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MY NEIGHBORS WANT A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WANT A CLEAN, SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. AND CURRENTLY IT'S NOT THAT. SO BRINGING THIS BAR INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS HIGHLY OPPOSED BY, BY MYSELF AND OTHER NEIGHBORS. UM, AND WE JUST WANT SAFETY. WE WANT THE SAFETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO STAY INTACT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MS. BRANDENBURG. ROLAND PIDO TO BE FOLLOWED BY RON WALLACE . SO CLOSE. HELLO, MY NAME'S ROLAND ELLO. UM, I'M HERE FOR SPEAKING ON 1301 ROOSEVELT. UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I, WE, I'VE BEEN THERE. I'VE DID A LITTLE BIT OF THE ARTWORK INSIDE THE BUILDING. I, UM, WHEN THEY'VE DONE SOME SMALL PRIVATE EVENTS, THEY'VE DONE, UH, HAD MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY, LOCAL RESIDENTS COME BY, LANDLORDS I SPOKE TO WHO'S MEET ME OUTSIDE, UM, NEARBY EMPLOYEES. WHEN I TALK TO THEM AT THE CORNER STORE, UH, GAS STATION, THEY PEOPLE DID JUST PASSING BY OR JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY CONSTANTLY TELL ME, OH, I CAN'T WAIT TILL YOU GUYS OPEN UP. IT LOOKS REALLY NICE. WE'RE NOT HERE TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A ROWDY BAR. THAT'S NOT THE IDEA OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. I MEAN, WE KNEW BACK THEN IT WAS A BAR AT ONE POINT AND I DON'T SEE IT TO BE A BIGGER LEAP TO GO BACK TO BEING A BAR. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S LOTS OF, UH, PROBLEMS WITH THAT AREA, BUT THAT'S ALSO BECAUSE THE AREA'S ALSO BEEN VACANT FOR A VERY LONG TIME. WHEN IT WAS A CHURCH, THEY HAD THEIR DOORS CLOSED ALL THE TIME. I ONLY SAW THEM GO OUTSIDE. AND THEN I WOULD SEE THEM CLOSE THE DOOR. AND THEN I WOULD JUST SEE HOMELESS BUILDING LITTLE SHELTERS EVERYWHERE. EVERYWHERE. SO IF YOU CAN GIVE MARK AND HAVE THE CHANCE TO OPEN UP TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, BETTER THEMSELVES, THEIR LIVES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD. I KNOW IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET OUT THERE AND CREATE A BUSINESS, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS, YES, FOOT TRAFFIC, BUT FOOT TRAFFIC ALSO MEANS SECURITY. IT ALSO MEANS EMPLOYEES CLEANING UP OUTSIDE. I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE STAYED LATE CLEANING UP THE OUTSIDE, HAVING THE, WE'VE SEEN THE GRASS CUT, YOU KNOW, AND JUST SHOOING AWAY AS MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE AS WE CAN AND ALLOWING THEM TO COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD TIME. YOU KNOW, NOT OVERDO IT, JUST STAYING THERE, BEING PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE ESTABLISHMENT. AND YEAH, THERE'S MORE TO COME. I MEAN, IF WE COULD OPEN UP, THERE COULD BE BUSINESS, THERE COULD BE A BETTER FOOT TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, OF CLIENTELE. AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY SAW INSIDE IF THEY DID SEE IT, BUT WE HAVEN'T FINISHED YET. I MEAN, WE CAN OPEN UP, GET FUNDS, WE CAN PROVIDE MORE PAINTS, MORE, YOU KNOW, NICE LIGHTING, FIXING UP, MAYBE STRUCTURES OUTSIDE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CHANCE TO AT LEAST OPEN UP SOMETHING SMALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. RON WALLACE. MR. WALLACE WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES 'CAUSE MS. MILLER CORRECT. GAVE HER TO HIM. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS ROD WALLACE, UH, 5 62 EAST MITCHELL STREET. UM, 7 8 2 10. I LIVE ON, UH, MITCHELL STREET, WHICH IS, UH, ONE OF THE CROSSROADS, UM, THAT THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON. FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I, I WOULD REALLY, UM, APPRECIATE THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT OF MR. GARCIA AND HIS WIFE. UM, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE SUPER IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY AND WE LOVE THEM IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE CONCERN I HAVE THOUGH IS, IS AS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE EXPRESSED, HERE IS THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO PUT IN, [02:50:01] IN THIS LOCATION. UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD IT, IT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN A BAR. AND, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE SOME PERSPECTIVE AS A RESIDENT ON THE ACTUAL STREET, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THERE WAS A BAR THERE. UM, THE 2:00 AM KIND OF LET OUT DRAG RACING DOWN THE STREET WAS, UM, WAS SO BAD THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY PETITIONED FOR AND SUCCESSFULLY GOT SPEED BUMPS PUT ON MITCHELL STREET. RECOGNIZING THIS IS AN ISSUE. UM, THE NUMBER OF NEAR MISSES AT THE INTERSECTION OF MITCHELL AND PRESA CLOSER TO WHERE I LIVE WENT UP DRASTICALLY WHEN THE BAR, UH, WA WAS PUT IN PLACE. AND ACTUALLY TWO MOTORCYCLISTS WERE KILLED AFTER COMING OUT OF THAT BAR. SORRY, ONE WAS KILLED, ONE WAS GRIEVOUSLY INJURED AFTER COMING OUTTA THAT BAR AND DECIDING TO RACE DOWN THE STREET 'CAUSE THEY HIT A PARKED CAR. MY NEIGHBORS NO LONGER WANNA PARK THEIR CARS ON THE STREET OR DIDN'T AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN ACCIDENTS OVERNIGHT BY THEIR CARS BEING HIT BY PEOPLE LEAVING THE BAR. UM, AND SO, UH, I WANTED TO GIVE THAT ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IT'S LIKE LIVING A BAR. I'M SURE YOU HEAR THIS, THIS ALL THE TIME. UM, A VACANT BUILDING IS NOT SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UM, I CAN SAY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT THAT BAR, 'CAUSE I GO BY A RIG OR AT THAT LOCATION, SEEM TO DO A GOOD JOB MANAGING THE HOMELESS. SO IT IS NOT ACTUALLY CAUSING A PROBLEM BEING VACANT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. UM, I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY HAS HAD THE FORESIGHT TO SUGGEST THAT CHANGING THE ZONING OF, OF PRESA AND ROOSEVELT STREETS AWAY FROM INDUSTRIAL AND SOME OF THE OTHER USES THAT HAVE HELD BACK DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING THAT CITY WANTS TO DO. AND, AND LIKE THE, THE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT, THAT HAVE SPOKEN HERE, I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY IMPLORE YOU ALL TO MAINTAIN THAT VISION, HAVE THE COURAGE OF YOUR CONVICTIONS TO HELP SUPPORT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GROW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. WALLACE. NEXT, UH, LAST WE HAVE HERMAN BOOKER. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S SUMMER BOOKER. I LIVE AT 1 0 4, WAIT, 1 0 4 5 1 CLEARWATER WAY. UM, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT, UM, THE GARCIAS AND OPEN UP THEIR BUSINESS. THEY HAD TWO PRIVATE EVENTS, WHICH WERE BIRTHDAYS I WAS AT. I ATTENDED BOTH. WE HAD ARMED SECURITY PERSONNEL THAT PATROLLED THE INSIDE AND THE OUTSIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS SAFE, INSECURE, UM, THAT NOBODY'S CARS WERE POKING INTO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A, A HARD POINT TO BE IN BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE NATURE AND THE SERIOUSNESS OF IT AND THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE, EXCUSE MEM A LITTLE NERVOUS . WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE STEPS IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE PARKING, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THE SECURITY, TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY'S HOMES ARE BROKEN INTO, CARS ARE BROKEN INTO, NOBODY'S USING THE BATHROOM WHEN OTHER PEOPLE'S LAWNS AND PROPERTIES. SO I WOULD ASK THAT YOU'LL GRANT THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE IT TO YOU AND TO SHOW YOU THAT THEY ARE WHAT THEY SAY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. AND, UH, I THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MR. BOOKER. ALRIGHT, MR. GARCIA, YOU WILL HAVE A BRIEF REBUTTAL OF APPROXIMATELY THREE MINUTES. WELL, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT ALL. MR. GARCIA, COME ON UP. IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THE, THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. HELLO AGAIN. UM, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HAVING ME HERE. UH, I THANK MY FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES THAT CAME OVER TO, UH, GIVE A LITTLE SUPPORT FOR OUR LITTLE BUSINESS HERE. HOPEFULLY, UM, THINGS WILL WORK OUT FOR US. UM, AT THIS POINT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY THEN. UH, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, I DID HAVE SOME FORMS HERE. I DON'T KNOW. OH, OKAY. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PULLING THEM UP. OKAY. UM, THERE'S JUST SOME PARKING AGREEMENTS AND, AND UM, SOME LAND AGREEMENTS THAT WERE DONE BETWEEN MR. SETTLES AND I. UM, AND THERE IT IS THE PARKING AGREEMENT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, IF YOU GUYS COULD READ IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO SMALL FOR ME TO READ . WE DON'T WANT TO UH, WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, UM, BRING ANY BAD VIBES TO THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN WHAT THERE IS. UM, ACCORDING TO WHAT I HEAR, THAT THERE'S ALL THESE PROBLEMS URINATING ON, ON THE PROPERTY AND CARS PARKED ON THE SIDE. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE CLIENTELE THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE IN THAT BUILDING WOULD BE DUMB ENOUGH TO PUT THE CAR ON THE SIDE OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET INSTEAD OF PUTTING [02:55:01] IT WHERE IT BELONGS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THERE EVERY DAY. YOU KNOW, I, UM, WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE A DAY, THAT'S FINE. WE'RE NOT GONNA RUN OUT OF PARKING SPOTS. UM, BUT IF WE DID HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE A DAY, THAT'S GREAT. I MEAN, YOU IMAGINE HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, SO, AND ANOTHER THING, THIS IS NOT A 2:00 AM STOP TIME. THIS IS A 12:00 AM STOP TIME. THERE IS NO LIQUOR GONNA BE SOLD IN THERE. IT IS JUST BEER AND WINE. UH, JUST IN CASE IF ANYBODY KNEW ABOUT THAT. UM, SODAS AND WATERS OF COURSE. BUT, UM, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. GARCIA. I'D TAKE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW IN CASE YOU GET CALLED UP. OKAY. THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UH, REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK ANOTHER QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. UM, SO YOU CAN RESEARCH IT, BUT THE, UH, PROPERTY OR THE BAR THAT'S LOCATED ON 1805 ROOSEVELT DOWN THE STREET STAFF, UH, WHAT IS THE ZONING FOR THAT, IF Y'ALL CAN LOOK INTO THAT. AND THEN FOR MR. GARCIA, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES OR STAFF WILL YOU HAVE AT A TYPICAL EVENING OR, WELL, THE PLAN IS, UM, I WILL GET STARTED FIRST AND ONCE WE GET A LITTLE REVENUE, I'M, I'M, MY PLAN IS TO HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS ON SITE BY MY, BESIDES ME AND MY WIFE. YOU KNOW, MY WIFE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE THERE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF OUR ILLNESSES. BUT WE JUST LIVE DOWN THE STREET. WE DON'T LIVE FAR AWAY. I WILL BE THERE MONITORING THE PLACE. UM, IF WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR SOME BIG EVENT LIKE THAT, I WILL HAVE SECURITY THERE AT ALL TIMES. BUT, UH, SINCE IT'S GONNA BE A BAR, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE OPEN, I THINK YOU SAID AT THE LAST MEETING AT LIKE 5:00 PM PROBABLY AT MIDNIGHT. SO WHO, WHO WILL BE STAFFED THERE, JUST YOURSELF? UH, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. UH, I'LL BE THERE WITH ONE OTHER MEMBER. UM, MR. BOOKER, WHICH IS THE GUY SITTING BACK THERE, HE'S THERE TO HELP US OUT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I WILL NOT BE THERE BY MYSELF. OKAY. IF THAT'S THE QUESTION I, I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND. AND WILL YOU HAVE, UH, SECURITY OR POLICE OR ANY SORT OF COVER SIX SECURITY COVER SIX. THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A SECURITY COMPANY. OKAY. AND WHAT TIME WOULD THEY BE IN OPERATION? WHENEVER TIME THAT I TELL 'EM TO BE THERE, THEY WILL BE THERE AND THEY WILL BE THERE. SO WHAT TIME WILL YOU TELL THEM? DEPENDING ON THE EVENT, REALLY. I MEAN, IF I TELL 'EM, BUT ON A NORMAL DAY, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAR AND PEOPLE, UH, ON A NORMAL DAY, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, 5:00 PM TO MIDNIGHT. OKAY. BUT EVERYBODY WOULD BE OUT BY MIDNIGHT. GOT YOU. AND THEN, UH, ARE YOU CURRENTLY, UH, CERTIFIED TO SERVE ALCOHOL BY TABC? CURRENTLY I SUBMITTED MY APPLICATION. I HAVE NOT GOT FURTHER THAN THAT. I WAS ADVISED NOT TO GO FURTHER. GOTCHA. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, WE HAVE THE SIGN ON THE DOOR ALREADY. OH, OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. GARCIA. YEP. UH, AND THEN STAFF, WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND WHAT THE ZONING IS? IT IS ZONE C ONE. RIGHT NOW THE BAR WAS, IT LOOKED LIKE THEY GOT A C OF O IN 2006, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED IN 20, UM, 18. SO IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN BASICALLY, I GUESS OF THAT. IT IS A GRANDFATHERED ITEM UN UNTIL THEY OKAY. SO THEY SHOULD KEEP IT ACTIVE. YES. GOT IT. AND THEN, UH, CITY STAFF, CAN YOU REMIND ME, UH, SO IN 2018 THE ZONING WAS DOWN ZONED TO C ONE. WHAT, UH, WHAT SPURRED THAT? UH, THAT WAS PART OF THE WORLD HERITAGE BUFFER REZONING. OKAY. AND I NOTICE ON YOUR, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE SEEKING APPROVAL, IT'S BASED ON THE DOWNTOWN, UM, WHAT IS THAT THE, UM, DOWNTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN? IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THE, UH, YES, IT IS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. NOW, HISTORICALLY SOUTH OF 90 IS, IS SOUTH SIDE. I MEAN THAT'S, ARE WE GOING WITH THE WORLD HERITAGE KIND OF ZONING BUFFER OR WOULD IT BE DOWNTOWN? WHY WAS THAT NOT INCLUDED? BASICALLY THE WORLD HERITAGE, THIS PROPERTY'S IN BOTH. IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, REGIONAL CENTER PLAN AND WITHIN THE WORLD HERITAGE BUFFER. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. AND THEN QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, IF, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD A FOOD TRUCK ON SITE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME, SOME, SOME TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, AND THEY USED THE SAME MONEY REGISTER, I GUESS TO, FOR THE, FOR THE BAR AND FOR THE, FOR THE FOOD TRUCK. DO THEY STILL NEED TO BE REZONED C TWO CD? THEY COULD, UM, AS LONG AS THEIR SALES, OVERALL SALES AT THAT FOOD TRUCK WAS PART OF THE BUSINESS, IT COULD NOT BE A SEPARATE BUSINESS. BUT IF IT WAS PART OF THE BUSINESS WITH THE ASSOCIATED WITH THE BAR OR THE ICE HOUSE THAT IT SEEMS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GO OVER 75% OF THEIR PROFIT, UM, IS ALCOHOL SALES, THEY COULD BE CONSIDERED A FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE EXISTING C ONE. OKAY. [03:00:01] AND THEN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO A PLAIN C TWO BY ITSELF DOES NOT ALLOW FOR A BAR BECAUSE THAT'S A C3 USE, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I, I KNOW TODAY WE, WE'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AND, UH, HOW ZONING AFFECTS NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND THE CHANGE OF THEIR, UH, CHARACTER AND CHARACTER GOES BOTH WAYS AS AN EDUCATOR FOR A LONG TIME. AND I KNOW THE RESIDENTS WHEN I, WHEN I WALKED IT, UM, AND TALKED TO THEM AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY ARE CONCERNED, THIS IS WHERE THEY LIVE. AND THE CHARACTER, UNFORTUNATELY FOR THAT AREA IS HIGH CRIME, DRUG USE, PROSTITUTION. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE KNOWN FOR AS OF NOW. UH, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CHANGE. SO I PULLED UP FOR SAP ON THE SAPD OF THE WEBSITE JUST THIS PAST MONTH, FROM APRIL 30TH TO MAY 30TH, THE 2026, THERE'S BEEN 26 CALLS IN THE 1300 BLOCK OF ROOSEVELT THEMSELVES. UH, SO I I, I FEEL THE NEIGHBORS HOW THEY ARE, UH, NOT SUPPORTING THIS. AND, AND, AND THEY ARE VERY CONSIDERATE. THEY, I'M, I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A PICKLEBALL OR A CAR WASH, BUT I THINK THEY FEAR THAT ADDING A BAR TO THIS AREA, WHICH IS VERY SATURATED WITH DRUG USE, DRUNK, UH, DRUNKENNESS, SAPD CALLS, AND THEY HEAR IT FROM THEIR LIVING ROOM, FROM THEIR BACKYARD. UH, I, I WAS AN EDUCATOR FOR 18 YEARS FOR SASD AND YOU KNOW, THE KIDS WALKING TO MAYBE BRACK OR, OR BURBANK, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE PROSTITUTION THERE AND HOW PEOPLE COME FROM ACROSS TOWN TO COME TO THAT AREA. AND WHEN YOU SEE A NICE, BEAUTIFUL CAR, WELL, IT'S EITHER THERE FOR CERTAIN REASONS, RIGHT? I, I, I DON'T KNOW. BUT, UM, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. I'M SORRY. YES. UH, THIS IS QUESTIONS. UHHUH AT THIS POINT. THIS, I'M SORRY, THIS IS FOR QUESTIONS. OH, AT THIS POINT I APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. I, I DIGRESS. MY WIFE TELLS ME THE SAME THING. UM, SO I GUESS QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF, UM, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR LIKE A ZONING THAT COULD BE A BETTER USE THAN AN ACTUAL C TWO CONDITIONAL USE FOR A BAR? I'M SORRY, WHAT? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I SAID. , I THINK C ONE CD, POTENTIALLY A C ONE CD. YEAH. AND WHAT WOULD THAT GIVE C ONE A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A BAR TO KEEP THAT BASE ZONING OF C ONE WOULD, THAT'S NOT OUR ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION. UHHUH, BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REQUESTED. GOT YOU. GOT YOU. OKAY. UH, AND THEN, UM, MR. GARCIA, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN WE, I'LL LET MY FEDERAL COMMISSIONERS, UH, ASK AWAY. UM, YOU, I, I DIDN'T CATCH, YOU SAID YOU LIVED IN THE AREA, RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT? UH, YES, I DO. I LIVE DOWN THE STREET. I LIVE ABOUT MAYBE THREE, FOUR MINUTES AWAY FROM DRIVING, DRIVING FROM. OH, OKAY. UM, YOU, YOU, MY CON MY CONCERN FOR A QUESTION FOR YOU WOULD BE, UH, I KNOW YOU, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BAR PEOPLE DRIVE THERE. HOW WILL YOU CONTROL PEOPLE URINATING OR PEOPLE DRAWING GLASS BOTTLES AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING GLASS ON THE, I MEAN, HOW, HOW, HOW, BESIDES BEING THERE YOURSELF, HOW ARE YOU GOING, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THAT, THOSE ISSUES THAT THEY BROUGHT UP? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UM, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, UM, WE DO HIRE SECURITY AND THEN THERE'S THE SECURITY WALKING OUTSIDE. UM, THERE'S SECURITY UP IN THE FRONT. OKAY. UM, THAT'S HOW WE'LL PREVENT ABOUT ANYBODY BOTTLES. WELL, WE'RE NOT EXPECTED TO SELL ANYTHING IN BOTTLES. IT'S GONNA BE CANNED, UH, ITEMS. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO LOOK FOR ANY BOTTLE CELLS IN ANY WHICH WAY, BUT THE URINATING PART, I NEVER SEEN IT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. BUT WE WILL HAVE SECURITY. I DO HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS AS WELL OUTSIDE. SO, UM, THAT THIS PLACE HAS BEEN MONITORED SINCE I GOT THE PLACE IN OCTOBER, 2025. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. GARCIA. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE RIGHT? QUESTIONS ON THE LEFT? UH, COMMISSIONER DOVE, THEN COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. IF I COULD ASK YOU TO COME ON UP AGAIN. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO IF YOU LIVE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY, YOU MUST BE FAMILIAR WITH THE CURRENT CRIME SITUATION ON THE, THE STREET CORNER. UH, YES SIR. I, I'VE SEEN STUFF AROUND. I ALSO, I HAVE NOT BEEN, THERE'S A FEW BARS AROUND THERE, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE BARS, BUT I'VE, [03:05:01] YOU KNOW, IF THIS WAS APPROVED AND I'M HOPING IT GETS APPROVED. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY ACTIVITY IN THOSE OTHER PLACES. I'VE NEVER SEEN POLICE CARS ANYWHERE IN THOSE OTHER PLACES. UM, SOMEBODY ASKED ME THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IF I HAD BEEN TO THAT COCO LOCO. MY ANSWER WAS NO. THEY ASKED ME WHAT WAS THE ATMOSPHERE. I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THERE, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN, UM, POLICE VEHICLES ON THAT AREA, UH, EITHER. SO HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT INTERSECTION? LIKE, WHAT'S THE CURRENT CONDITION WITH CRIME? IS IT GETTING SAFER? IS IT MORE DANGEROUS? LIKE HOW I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING HAPPEN THERE. NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT MAYBE STUFF HAVE HAPPENED THERE, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING MYSELF. I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE THAT LIVES DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL. UM, BEFORE I, I STARTED LIVING WHERE I'M AT NOW. UH, I USED TO GO TO HIS HOUSE AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING. NOBODY'S EVER BOTHERED ME. UM, I, I'VE ACTUALLY WALKED FROM, WELL, WHAT'S, UH, BUT WHAT'S YOUR IMPRESSION OF IT, EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT? WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT? LIKE, WHAT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF, UH, UH, NEGATIVE STUFF ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE LOCATION, ABOUT THE AREA THERE, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING. UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN A STABBING, A SHOOTING, THANK GOD. UM, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY CARS RACING DOWN THE ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SURE. BUT, BUT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT CRIME THERE? YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IS KEEPING ME AWAY FROM GETTING THE ESTABLISHMENT GOING. SO I'VE, I'VE HEARD IT SEVERAL, SEVERAL TIMES. SO, UH, ACROSS, UH, ROOSEVELT, UM, IS THE EVER CLEAN MOTEL? I'VE, I'VE, YES, I'VE SEEN IT, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THE BAR IS ACROSS THE STREET. WELL, FUTURE BAR, HOPEFULLY. SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR IMPRESSION OF THE EVER CLEAN HOTEL? WELL, IT'S A MOTEL, PEOPLE WALKING IN AND OUT, UM, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? I DON'T KNOW. DRUGS, I DON'T KNOW. PROSTITUTION, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT. I, I STAY AWAY MIND MY OWN BUSINESS, BUT IF I DO SEE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED TO SAPD, I WILL PICK UP MY PHONE, I WILL RECORD, I WILL CALL THEM AND TELL 'EM, HEY, HE'S WEARING A GREEN SHIRT, BLUE JEANS, AND HE'S DOING THIS. I WILL BE THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY. I WILL NOT LET IT GO. GO. LET'S, LET'S TALK MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I MEAN, BASED ON YOUR PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, UH, PROFESSIONAL COLLEAGUES THAT YOU HAD COME AND, AND SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR MOTIVES, BUT THE EVER CLEAN MOTEL IS GONNA BE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST LOOKED UP ON KSAT, YOU KNOW, AS RECENT AS 2013, THEY HAD A DANGEROUS ASSESSMENT RESPONSE TEAM THERE FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTED GANG MEMBER ARREST, MASS ARREST WITH GUNS AND MM-HMM . PROSTITUTION AND DRUGS. SO YOU'RE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A PRIVATE BAR, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC BAR OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE A, UH, PUBLIC BAR. UM, I CAN'T JUST TELL, HEY, YOU, YOU GOTTA GET OUT. YOU GOTTA GET OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I COULD MONITOR WHO'S COMING IN BECAUSE OF THE PERSONNEL THAT I WILL HAVE IN THERE, AND I NEED TO PROTECT THESE KIND OF INDIVIDUALS THAT COME IN THERE. SURE. BUT IF SOMEBODY SAY ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, I, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION NOW, BUT IF ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL GANG MEMBERS, UM, OR ONE OF THE PATRONS OF THE EVERCLEAN MOTEL, I THINK I, I LOOKED UP ON THE, UH, UH, BOOKINGS.COM ROOMS GO FOR LIKE $43, YOU KNOW, A NIGHT . UH, SO IF, IF A GANG MEMBER WAS TO COME INTO YOUR BAR, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW ARE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA DEAL WITH THAT? HOW IS THAT GOING TO LOOK? BECAUSE I, I MEAN, CANDIDLY, YOU'RE OPEN UNTIL MIDNIGHT. A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO FROM THE MOTEL ACROSS THE STREET FOR A DRINK. SO HOW DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DOES THAT INTERACTION LOOK? YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T WANNA BE INTERACTING WITH THESE PEOPLE, BUT HOW, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO WELL, ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY, LET'S JUST SAY, JUST LIKE THE EXAMPLE YOU JUST GAVE ME. SOMEBODY LIKE THAT COMES IN, WE WATCH, WE MONITOR, I USED TO BE A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF WATCH AND MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, THIS IS WHY WE HAVE SECURITY. SOMETHING IS GOING ON. SOMETHING ESPECIALLY LOOKS, THIS DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHY WE KEEP EYES ON CERTAIN PEOPLE AND WATCH WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THEN, UM, NOBODY'S GONNA GO IN THERE WITHOUT GETTING PADDED. OKAY. OUTSIDE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THESE OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UM, WON'T HAVE ANY WEAPONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THESE ARE GOOD PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE. BUT IF SOMEBODY LIKE THAT WILL COME IN, WE WILL WATCH 'EM MONITOR AND THEN, YOU KNOW, QUIETLY ESCORT 'EM OUT, NOT KICK 'EM OUT OR BAD WORDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU HAD A GREAT TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND, YOU KNOW, AWAY WE GO, YOU KNOW? UM, NO PHYSICAL FORCE TO ANYBODY, ANYBODY. IT DON'T MATTER WHO IT IS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER SIPES QUESTIONS, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TO START OFF WITH, UM, [03:10:01] APPLICANT IS SEEKING C TWO CD, BUT ACCORDING TO THE USE MATRIX, A BAR IS ALLOWED IN C ONE WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. RIGHT? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, THE, THE, THE RATIONALE BEHIND GOING FOR THE CD. AND I WAS WONDERING, IS IT BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD OPERATION HOURS OR, OR NO, JUST GOING BASED OFF HIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION. UM, IN CONVERSATIONS, HE DID REQUEST THE C TWO CD, SO, UM, THE OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE C ONE AND THE, THE C ONE S OR THE C TWO S WEREN'T UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME UNTIL THE CASE ACTUALLY CAME AND WAS CONTINUED. SO HE WAS CONSIDERING, I SHOULD SAY, UM, POTENTIALLY AMENDING TO C ONE CD IF ANYTHING. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR CASE, WE COULD REQ, WE COULD ADD CONDITIONS ON A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION AS WELL. IT WAS JUST, AGAIN, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET TO THE FINAL OUTCOME AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE WAYS. WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT. YAY. UM, I SEE ADVANTAGES TO BOTH. UM, AND I GUESS, LET'S SEE, DID I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. LOTS OF DISCUSSION, BUT NO QUESTIONS. LAST, UH, COMMISSIONER? WHAT'S THAT? ANY QUESTIONS? UH, YES. FOR STAFF JUST ACROSS THE STREET, UH, IS A CAR AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP. NOW IS THAT ALLOWED IN C ONE? IT'S ALSO ZONE C ONE. I'M SORRY, WHAT KIND OF SHOP YOU'RE ASKING? THERE'S AN AUTO, THERE'S AN AUTO REPAIR SHOP SERVICE REPAIR LIST. IT'S FULL SERVICE AUTO. SO FULL SERVICE IS NOT PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN A C ONE? THEY WOULD, UM, I MEAN THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS, I'M JUST CHECKING REAL QUICK. SO AGAIN, IT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE USE WAS ESTABLISHED. IT IS NOT PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN A C ONE, BUT IT WAS MOST LIKELY ESTABLISHED THERE AND THEN IT WAS DOWN ZONED IN THAT 2018, UM, REZONING, LARGE AREA REZONING. SO MOTELS, ARE THEY ALLOWED IN C ONE ALSO? OOH, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. , THEY'RE NOT. NO, NO, THEY ARE NOT. THANK YOU. SO ESSENTIALLY ALL THESE WERE DOWN ZONED TO KIND OF PUT 'EM OUT OF BUSINESS, I GUESS. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOW GOT ZONING THAT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THEIR EXISTING USES AT THE TIME, BUT THEY'RE STILL THERE. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY IT WOULD BE TO PUT 'EM OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT TO PREVENT, TRY TO FOR FURTHER USES INTO THAT AREA. YEAH. SO THE WHOLE, THAT WHOLE AREA, MUCH OF THE EXISTING USES WERE CHANGED. THEY WEREN'T CHANGED, BUT THE ZONING WAS CHANGED. CORRECT. TO TRY TO, OKAY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROPERTY? TO MY LEFT, TO MY RIGHT QUESTIONS? A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MR. GARCIA, CAN YOU STEP UP PLEASE? THAT BUILDING NEXT TO THE ESTABLISHMENT, WHAT IS THAT? THE SMALLER BUILDING ON THE LEFT SIDE, IS THAT PART OF THE ESTABLISHMENT PICTURE PLEASE? UM, BUILDING TO THE LEFT SIDE KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? NO, IT'S, CAN I, I USE THIS? YES. YOU TURN THIS ON? YEAH. THAT GO UP. THIS ONE? NO, GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN. RIGHT. THAT, THAT, THAT IS A SMALL LITTLE STORAGE PLACE THAT THE LANDLORD HAS. I HAVE, I, I CAN'T USE THAT. THAT'S HIS. OKAY. AND DOES THE ESTABLISHMENT HAVE A KITCHEN? UM, THE ESTABLISHMENT? NO SIR. IT DOES NOT HAVE A KITCHEN. NO. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU WOULD BE SERVING FOOD. UH, MY, WHAT MY WIFE AND I WANTED TO DO IS SELL LIKE, UH, FRITO PIES AND UM, LIKE, LIKE FAST STUFF LIKE CHIPS AND PEANUTS, POPCORN, THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE A KITCHEN. UM, WE DON'T HAVE, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO PUT A KITCHEN, WE HAVE NO ROOM FOR A KITCHEN. OKAY. UH, THE, THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT OR EARLIER WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT A FOOD TRUCK. WILL YOU BE CONSIDERING HAVING A FOOD TRUCK THERE? IF, IF, IF SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO PUT A FOOD TRUCK THERE? I DON'T MIND. THE THING IS, IS THAT, UM, WE CAN'T BUY A FOOD TRUCK. OKAY. I'M JUST WONDERING, THE QUESTION IS STAFF, WOULD THAT HELP HIM IF HE HAD A FOOD TRUCK ON THE PROPERTY [03:15:02] AGAIN? NO, I MEANT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF HIS BUSINESS. UNDERSTOOD. ALRIGHT, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA. UH, MR. GARCIA, UH, I'M SORRY, REAL QUICK. UH, WILL YOU HAVE A DRESS CODE FOR YOUR ESTABLISHMENT ADDRESS CODE? YES. ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT, UH, UH, PERTAIN COLORS, BECAUSE I WILL HAVE A SIGN UP THERE. THERE IS NO COLORS PERMITTED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. THERE'S A LOT OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT HAVE THAT. UM, NO RED BANDANAS, BLUE BANDANAS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MOTORCYCLE JACKETS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW ANY OF THAT STUFF IN THERE. UM, DUE TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING IN THERE AND SUIT TIES, UM, THAT'S THE KIND OF, UH, DRESS CODE THAT THERE WILL BE. SO, SO YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT YOUR CLIENTELE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT? UH, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I POSITIVE ABOUT THAT . ALRIGHT. TO THE LEFT, FINAL ROUND OF QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. UH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY TO CITY COUNCIL, SO I'LL MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET. I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, I'VE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS. UH, I BELIEVE IT'S OVERWHELMINGLY, UH, UNANIMOUS FOR THE MOST PART. SO I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT, UH, I'M GOING WITH COMMISSIONER HUEY. ALRIGHT, SO FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WAIT, WHERE ARE WE? YES. ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL, UH, BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUEY. UH, SHORT DISCUSSION, IDEALLY TO MY RIGHT. ANYONE TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER DUVALL AND COMMISSIONER SIPES. JUST, JUST BRIEFLY, UM, I AT LEAST I'M CONVINCED BASED ON THE EVIDENCE ON THE RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, WOULD BE A GOOD OPERATOR AND THAT, UH, COMPARED WITH A LOT OF OTHER ALTERNATIVE BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE THERE, UH, WOULD ACTUALLY BE A, UH, IMPROVEMENT FOR THE BLOCK WITH THE TYPE OF CLIENTELE THAT HE'S TRYING TO ATTRACT BASED ON HIS, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING SECURITY OUTSIDE COULD EVEN ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, STREET CRIME PROBLEMS, AT LEAST UNTIL, YOU KNOW, MIDNIGHT. THAT BEING SAID, UM, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE SPILLOVER EFFECTS OF INTRODUCING ALCOHOL INTO THE MIX, PARTICULARLY AT THE EVER CLEAN MOTEL. UM, SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE BAR AS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BACK AT THE MOTEL. ONCE PATRONS AT THE MOTEL GO BACK. UM, ALCOHOL IS ALWAYS AN ACCELERANT, UH, FOR CRIME. AND IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE AS GOOD OF OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT, UM, AS THE APPLICANT, UM, IT CAN MAKE A, A BAD SITUATION EVEN WORSE. UM, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE CURRENT CRIME STATISTICS FOR THE EVERCLEAN MOTEL, BUT THE FACT THAT AS, AS RECENT AS 2023, UM, IT HAD TO HAVE A, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SPECIAL TASK SWAT, YOU KNOW, TASK FORCE GO IN TO CLEAN IT UP LEADS ME TO, UH, UH, UM, SUPPORT, UH, THE, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER'S MOTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DUVALL. COMMISSIONER SIPES. ALRIGHT, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, WE, WE TALK FREQUENTLY ABOUT GETTING NEIGHBORS ENGAGED IN, IN ZONING AND FREQUENTLY WE, WHEN WE HAVE A CASE, WE HAVE ONE OR TWO SPEAKERS AT MOST SHOW UP. AND IN THIS CASE WE'VE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS COME OUT IN OPPOSITION. UM, FOR ME WHAT WEIGHS ON, ON THE DECISION IS THAT THIS WAS INTENTIONALLY DOWN ZONED JUST EIGHT YEARS AGO AS PART OF THE WORLD HERITAGE BUFFER. UM, THAT, THAT'S HUGE. THAT TELLS ME THAT, THAT, THAT, OKAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, CITY STAFF AT THAT TIME LOOKED AT AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO DO THIS. UM, AND THEN, UH, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SAID, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE, WHILE I RESPECT THE, THE APPLICANT, UM, THIS IS AS, AS WAS SAID, KIND OF A LIFELONG DREAM, BUT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SAID, WE CAN'T THROW HOSTS BEHIND ONE BUSINESS OWNER BECAUSE IF FOR SOME REASON THIS FAILS, THEN ANOTHER BAR COULD COME IN THAT MAY NOT CARE WHO GOES TO THE BAR. UM, AND SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION LEFT? SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, AS I MENTIONED, I AM A MEMBER OF ROOSEVELT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD. I DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY CONSIDERATION OF ZONING AT THAT LEVEL, UH, SO THAT I CAN PARTICIPATE HERE. UH, MR. GARCIA, YOU KNOW, I RESPECT YOU. I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. UNFORTUNATELY, [03:20:01] ZONING DOES GO WITH THE LAND. UH, YOU HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS, THEY RAISED CONCERNS. UH, I HAD HOPED THAT BY GIVING YOU MORE TIME, YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONVINCE THEM, MAYBE TALK ABOUT OTHER LIMITATIONS THAT DID NOT OCCUR. UH, AS A RESULT, I ALSO WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUEY. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER NIOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY AYE. COMMISSIONER LUM? YES. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER PIE RODRIGUEZ? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER DOABLE. AYE. COMMISSIONER WHATSAPP? YES. COMMISSIONER PANA? NO. CHAIR BUSSE AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, AGAIN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY. YOU STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE. WE'RE GONNA DO TWO AT THE END. GOOD AFTERNOON. ALEX RATANA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS LOCATED AT THREE 14 J STREET. GOING FROM R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO R FIVE RESIDENTIAL MIXED DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLAYS STAYING THE SAME. 23 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED IN DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE. THE EXISTING R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT IS INAPPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED R FIVE RESIDENTIAL MIX DISTRICT IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SITS WITHIN A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL USES. THE PROPOSED DENSITY PROVIDED BY THE R FIVE BASE ZONING DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND THE 0.1722 ACRE LOT IS OF SUFFICIENT SIZE TO ACCOMMODATE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE DENSITY OF THREE DWELLING UNITS. FURTHERMORE, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SUCH AS MAXIMUM BUILDING LOT COVERAGE BUILDING HIGH AND MULTI-UNIT CONSTRUCTION WILL BE REGULATED TO ENSURE COMPATIBLE DESIGN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REQUEST ACCOMPLISHES GOALS OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN BY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL HOUSING STOCK AT VARIOUS INCOME LEVELS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE, MR. CRUZ, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ALEJANDRO CRUZ. I RESIDE AT 29 11. UH, GAINESBORO. UM, I WANT BRIEFLY OUTLINE THAT OUR EXTENSIVE GOOD FAITH OUTREACH EFFORTS. UM, WE WERE HIGHLY PROACTIVE IN, UH, IN MEETING WITH THE HOA OF THE DENVER HEIGHTS ON A COUPLE SEPARATE OCCASIONS BACK IN APRIL. AND, UM, MOST RECENTLY IN, IN ON, UH, JUNE 8TH, UM, THE ASSOCIATION, THE ASSOCIATION REQUESTED US A FINALIZED SITE PLAN. NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE EARLY IN THE REZONING PHASE, A FINALIZED ENGINEER PLAN IS, UH, KIND OF PREMATURE. HOWEVER, TO ADDRESS THEIR LAYOUT QUESTIONS, WE PROVIDED THEM WITH THE DETAILED EXAMPLES OF BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, SETBACKS, AND DENSITY REQUIREMENTS PERMITTED, UH, UNDER THIS, UNDER THIS, UH, ZONING TO SHOW EXACTLY HOW THE, UH, THE PROPERTY WOULD BE RESTRICTED. UH, BEYOND THE FORMAL MEETING. UH, I ALSO WALKED THE IMMEDIATE AREA, UH, ENGAGED WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS, UH, ONLY A COUPLE DOORS TO KNOCK ON AND DIDN'T GET ANY, UH, RESPONSE FROM THEM. UH, DONE OUR ABSOLUTE BEST TO COLLABORATE CLOSELY WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND GIVEN THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS FULLY REVIEWED THIS AND RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CRUZ. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. STICK AROUND. NOPE. STICK UP HERE. STAY UP HERE. I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE SOME QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE. COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. UM, AS, I GUESS I SHOULD START WITH A QUESTION. THIS IS QUESTIONING. THANK YOU FOR SHARING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OUTREACH, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTED AMOUNT, DID YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO TALK TO ANYONE ELSE OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET IN THAT SIMILAR AREA? UH, NO. THERE WAS, THERE'S JUST LIKE GATED UP HOUSES WITH DOGS IN THE FRONT, SO THERE WAS LIKE MAYBE A FOUR I, WE, I WALKED THE WHOLE BLOCK. UM, BUT NO, NOBODY ANSWERED AND I WAS ON. AND THEN WITH THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION THEMSELVES, YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANY RESPONSE FROM THEM? UH, I, I MET WITH THEM TWICE. UM, THE [03:25:01] FIRST TIME BOTH OF THEM HAD BEEN THROUGH ZOOM MEETINGS AND THEN THE, THE FIRST TIME THERE WAS LIKE, THE PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE ZOOM DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GIVE ME ACCESS TO DO MY PRESENTATION. UM, AND THEN SO WE RESCHEDULED AGAIN AND THEN ON THE RESCHEDULING SHOWED THEM THE, UM, UH, LIKE ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, UH, LIKE DUPLEXES OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN THEY KEPT ASKING FOR LIKE A DETAILED SITE PLAN ON THIS SPECIFIC LOT AND WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT AT, AT THE TIME. SO, AND THEN THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF WENT BACK AND LET THEM KNOW HOW IT WAS ALL GONNA BE RESTRICTED WITH THE ZONING, WHAT WAS IT GONNA BE LIKE, AND TO CONFIRM THEY HAVEN'T, THAT'S HELPFUL CONTEXT ON THE INTERACTION. THEY HAVEN'T STAYED A POSITION YES OR NO ON THIS. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING OF THEIRS OR PLAN TO IN THE FUTURE? UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY ONLY DO THEM THROUGH ZOOM AND THEN LIKE AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THEY KICK ME OUTTA THE CHAT. SO IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A, YEAH, LIKE IT'S A TIGHT COMMUNITY HERE. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. UM, THANKS. I'M GOOD ON QUESTIONS FOR NOW. ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER VE SO JUST TO, MAYBE YOU COULD CLARIFY, THIS IS WITHIN THE DENVER HEIGHTS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? YES. THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ON, UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRAIL. RIGHT. UM, SO LIKE, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE, UM, I I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF YOU HAD THE, THE, THE X'S AND O'S UM, MAP, UM, I GUESS THERE WAS NO RESPONSES CORRECT? THERE WERE NO RESPONSES RECEIVED. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? SEEING NONE QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? ONE MORE? YES, COMMISSIONER LO, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF FOR CLARIFICATION ON WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS, UM, PROPOSED REZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR VERSUS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO UNITS. UM, SO THIS REQUEST WOULDN'T BE TIED TO A SITE PLAN. UH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE. UM, ANOTHER THING IS THIS ONE WITH THE ARM FIVE, SINCE THEY ARE, SINCE THEY ARE UNDER A THIRD OF AN ANCHOR, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE A DUPLEX OR A TRIPLEX, WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN ONE STRUCTURE. IF THEY DID A CONDITIONAL USE, THOSE UNITS COULD BE SEPARATED AND THEN IT WOULD ADDITION, IT WOULD ALLOW THREE UNITS UP TO THREE UNITS. THIS CURRENT ONE ALLOWS THE RM FIVE? CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. SO YOU SAID THE CURRENT RM FIVE ALLOWS FOR HALF MUST BE INCLUDED IN ONE STRUCTURE, CONDITIONAL USE WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT. LIKE SUBDIVISION TWO. CORRECT. SORRY, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS LEFT? SEEING NONE QUESTIONS. RIGHT. SEEING NONE. VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONER LO TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO JUST AS A COMMENT, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW FROM DENVER HEIGHTS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF LIKE INCREASED DENSITY AND LOTS OF CHANGES DEVELOPMENT. UM, I APPRECIATE STAFF NOTE ABOUT THIS BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH SHIP. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS FOLKS HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT BEFORE, REALLY IMPORTANT TO INCREASE HOUSING OPTIONS AND DIFFERENT VARIETY OF HOUSING. UM, THAT BEING SAID, IT IS SURPRISING THAT DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HASN'T GIVEN A RESPONSE OR TAKEN A STANCE ON THIS SPECIFICALLY. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT RESPONDING, I MEAN SPECIFICALLY SUBMITTED A APPROVAL OR OPPOSITION. UM, AND SO I AM INCLINED TO CONTINUE THIS BECAUSE WE USUALLY DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THIS, THIS INVOLVED OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION NOT GIVING A RESPONSE. UM, SO I WANT TO MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE JULY 7TH MEETING WITH THEIR REQUEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ATTEND THE UPCOMING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING. HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THE DATE IF YOU NEED IT, UM, BEFORE I CAN APPROVE THIS. SO THE MOTION IS FOR CONTINUANCE THREE WEEK CONTINUANCE. I'LL SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. UH, DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT? YES, COMMISSIONER DOELL. I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A, SUCH A INTERESTING LOCATION BETWEEN, UM, INTERSTATE 10 AND THE, UH, ELECTRIC SUBSTATION AND THE RAILROAD TRACKS. I, I LOOK AT ON GOOGLE MAPS, I'VE, I'VE NEVER BEEN HERE, BUT I LOOK ON GOOGLE MAPS AND ALL THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT ARE UNDERUTILIZED. IT LOOKS COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM DENVER HEIGHTS. I'M STILL KIND OF CONFUSED WHY IT'S PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL, THIS IS THE FIRST CONTINUANCE I'LL, I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT. UM, BUT I MEAN THIS SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT SPOT [03:30:01] FOR, FOR INFILL FOR UNDERUTILIZED LAND TO MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY PRODUCTIVE. ALRIGHT, DISCUSSION LEFT. DISCUSSION RIGHT? YES, COMMISSIONER, HE, UH, I ALSO WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. I MEAN THAT AREA. MR. UH, OR FELLOW COMMISSIONER IS KIND OF CORRECT. I MEAN, DENVER HEIGHTS. I WORKED AT POE MIDDLE SCHOOL FOR THE, FOR A LONG TIME AND I GREW UP IN THIS AREA ON HALLE AND YUCCA RIGHT THERE AROUND THE CORNER. SO THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SPOT FOR THAT. SO I'LL DEFINITELY SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO THE RIGHT? UH, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UH, I THINK THIS IS RIGHT FOR GOING FORWARD. HE REACHED OUT TWICE, STARTING IN APRIL. I I THINK WE CAN GO. ALRIGHT. BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER NINE, UH, BY COMMISSIONER LO WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ. YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? YES. COMMISSIONER NIOSA? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? NO. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES. COMMISSIONER. DOABLE. AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT? NO. COMMISSIONER PANNA? NO. CHAIR BUSANTE? NO. MOTION CARRIES. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEE YOU JULY 7TH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'RE NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS SAMANTHA. BE ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS LOCATED AT 2 2 3 EAST PETALUMA BOULEVARD. GOING FROM R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO MF 18 LIMITED INTENSITY MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WITH ALL OVERLY STAYING THE SAME. THERE WERE 30 NOTICES MAILED ZERO AND IN FAVOR, 12 OPPOSED HARLAND DEL MCCOLLUM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR OF R FOUR CD FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS OUTSIDE 200 FEET. THERE IS ZERO IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSED. THE EXISTING R FOUR DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED MF 18 DISTRICT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING TO ALLOW FOR THREE DUPLEXES WHILE THEY INTEND TO DEVELOP A MINIMUM OF SIX UNITS. THE ONE ACRE SITE COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATE UP TO 18 UNITS UNDER THE REQUESTED ZONING, WHICH EXCEEDS THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY FOR THE AREA. MUCH OF THE SURROUNDING AREA CURRENTLY BENEFITS FROM B TWO R FOUR CONVERSION UNDER UDC SECTION 35 DASH D 1 0 1 J, WHICH PERMITS A TWO FAMILY DUPLEX RESIDENCE. DESPITE THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DESIGNATION. AS AN ALTERNATIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF R FOUR CD RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS. THIS ALTERNATIVE WOULD MAINTAIN THE R FOUR BASE ZONING, ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT. WHILE THE CONDITIONAL USE DESIGNATION WOULD ALLOW FOR UP TO FOUR DWELLING UNITS. THIS APPROACH WOULD REINSTATE THE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED HAD THE PROPERTY REMAINED IN ITS PREVIOUS CONFIGURATION OF TWO SEPARATE LOTS WHILE MAINTAINING THE DENSITY MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION OF R FOUR CD FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS. PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION IS STILL PENDING JUNE 24TH, 2026 HEARING AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ELIZABETH RUSSELL, 1 0 1 BERG, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. AND THANK YOU FOR ACCOMMODATING THE CHANGE IN SCHEDULE. UM, I, I'M IN COURT A LOT AS YOU'LL KNOW, I'M AN ATTORNEY AS WELL. AND LET'S JUST SAY EVERYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG TODAY DID GO WRONG IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING, BUT HERE WE ARE AND I DO APPRECIATE THE ACCOMMODATION AND I KNOW IT'S CLOSE TO FIVE. UM, IS THERE A POINTER RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF ME? THE FLOWERS. AND THEN CAN WE GO TO THE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED SITE PLAN FIRST? SO INITIALLY THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED, UM, WAS A REQUEST FOR SIX DIFFERENT, UM, SIX DUPLEXES FOR A TOTAL OF 12 UNITS. ONCE, UM, WE STARTED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE AREA ALONG WITH UM, WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ACCEPTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PLAN REQUEST IS SUBMITTED FOR ONLY THREE. SO HE CUT DOWN FROM THIS REQUEST OF SIX TO AND HALF A REQUEST FOR THREE. UM, THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS I KNOW THAT THERE IS NOT A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT AND I DO WANT TO SHOW THAT UM, THE OWNER IS AWARE THAT DENSITY IS AN ISSUE AND HAS MADE CHANGES TO HIS ORIGINAL PLAN. UM, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THEIR OTHER PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. SO, UM, MY CLIENT OWNS NAS, LLC, WHICH IS A PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. HE'S A BUILDER. HE BUYS PROPERTIES AND THEN HE, UM, HIRES MS. MARTHA [03:35:01] ELIZONDO WHO, UM, IS THE BUILD, WHO'S THE ACTUAL BUILDER AND THEN THE PROPERTY MANAGER BECAUSE HE TENDS TO BUILD CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATIONS BUT THEY LOOK LIKE DUPLEXES. UM, HE'S OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2020 AND HAS HAD PLANS TO DEVELOP SOME TYPE OF A MULTI-UNIT, UM, PROPERTY SINCE THAT TIME. BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UM, CHANGES IN THE MARKET. SO NOW IS THE APP HE FEELS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO MOVE FORWARD. IF WE COULD MOVE TO THE SECOND PAGE. SO THIS IS JUST, UM, A RENDERING OF WHAT HE PLANS, UM, FOR THE PROJECT TO LOOK LIKE. UM, A MORE UPDATED TOWN HOME STYLE. TWO STORIES WITH DRIVEWAYS, UM, LEADING TO EACH HOME. IF I COULD GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. AND SO THE PROPERTY IS LONG AND NARROW. IT IS ONE ACRE, A LITTLE OVER 40,000 SQUARE FEET AND IT RUNS FROM STREET TO STREET. SO PETALUMA ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEN I ALWAYS FORGET THE STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE. UM, GIMME JUST ONE SECOND 'CAUSE I FORGET IT EVERY SINGLE TIME. COPPEL COPPEL, RIGHT? KALO, KALO KALO ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND SO THE PLAN IS FOR THE UNITS TO FACE EAST WITH THESE DRIVEWAYS IN THE MIDDLE AND TO HAVE A PRIVATE DRIVE CONTAINED WITHIN THE PROPERTY FOR, UM, BOTH ACCESS TO THE UNITS AS WELL AS GUEST PARKING. THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF A PROBLEM OF STREET PARKING IN THIS AREA. UM, AND SO THE UNITS WOULD BE NOT RENTED BY MY CLIENT. HE INTENDS AND ALREADY HAS SOME POTENTIAL, UM, PURCHASERS. AND SO THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE SOLD SEPARATELY FOR AROUND $300, $300,000 PER UNIT. UM, THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET IS A CHURCH. UM, I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME DISCREPANCY ABOUT, THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. THERE WAS SOME UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS ONLY USED FOR THE PASTOR OF THAT CHURCH AND HIS RESIDENCE. I TALKED TO SOMEONE THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE A TENANT OF THAT BUILDING, BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE AROUND IS OUR FOUR RESIDENTS. BUT THE LOTS DO VARY IN SIZE. SO THE LOTS ACROSS KAPLOW ARE MUCH SMALLER. THEY'RE MORE IN THE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE VERSUS THE LOTS ON PETALUMA ARE MORE IN THE 10 TO 20,000 RANGE. 10 TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET. THERE'S A FEW LOTS THAT ARE OF THIS SIZE, BUT IT IS NOT AS COMMON. UM, MY CLIENT DOES PROPOSE THE, UM, MF 18 BECAUSE HE DOES WANT THESE SIX UNITS. THAT WAS THE SMALLEST REQUEST THROUGH THE APPROACH THAT HE DECIDED TO TAKE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IF HE HAD MADE AN IDZ APPROACH THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, BUT THIS IS THE PROCESS HE STARTED AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE ENDED UP. UM, IF HE IS NOT APPROVED FOR THIS REQUEST, THE ALTERNATE APPROACH IS TO REPL AND SUBDIVIDE. UM, IT IS AN OVER 40,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT WITH AN R FOUR DESIGNATION, UM, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, BUT IT WOULD END UP BEING MORE DENSITY THAN HE IS PROPOSING. AND SO THIS WAS LESS UNITS THAT HE, IF HE CAN FIGURE IT OUT WITH THE PROPER SETBACKS, HE COULD GET UP TO 10 R FOUR LOTS ON WITH APPROPRIATE SETBACKS. HE COULD GET UP TO 10 IF HE COULD MAKE IT HAPPEN WITH OVER A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, HE HAS AT LEAST BEEN ABLE TO MAP OUT EIGHT AND SO THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER DENSITY THAN HE'S PROPOSING. AND THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THAT MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS ARE THE DENSITY CONCERNS AND UM, THE ALTERNATE REQUEST FOR REPL I THINK WOULD END UP WITH MORE DENSITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT IN AGREEMENT, I GET THAT. UM, BUT WE HAVE HAD A HOST OF FEEDBACK THROUGH MULTIPLE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS IN WHICH WE DIDN'T REALLY RECEIVE A LOT OF, UM, RESPONSE UNTIL YESTERDAY. AND SO WE'VE BEEN TO TWO PRIOR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK AT THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO GO DOOR TO DOOR. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS WANTING TO SEE MORE AND MORE OFTEN. BUT ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL COMPONENT IS NOT REALLY, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO SAY IT WITH THE TIMES PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE US TO GO TO THEIR DOORWAYS AND KNOCK, THEY DON'T LIKE STRANGERS BEING AT THE DOORS. THEY HAVE RING CAMERAS NOW. THEY DON'T LIKE TO TALK TO PEOPLE. I PERSONALLY WENT OUT THERE WITH MY STAFF. UM, THERE WAS FOUR OF US AND MY APPLICANT, THE THE PERSON THAT HIRED ME, SO THERE WERE SIX IN TOTAL AND WE HAD AT LEAST TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES ON THE KAPAL SIDE THAT WERE VERY AGGRESSIVE ABOUT WHY WE WERE THERE. AND UM, I HAVE HAD A GUN PULLED ON ME IN PRIOR DOOR TO DOOR INTERACTIONS, NOT IN THIS CASE, BUT DURING ZONING CASES. AND SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN THEY ENCOURAGE THOSE DOOR TO DOOR, UM, INTERACTIONS. THE POINT THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR US TO GO TO THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, BUT THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE AREN'T ATTENDING THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND ESPECIALLY NOT UNTIL RIGHT BEFORE OUR SCHEDULED ZONING. SO THEN WE'RE [03:40:01] HAVING TO REQUIRE TO REQUIRE RESETS AND NOW WE'RE GETTING LIMITED ON RESETS. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ISSUE WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS, BUT I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO BE AWARE OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT APPLICANTS DO FACE WHILE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT IN AGREEMENT. MY CLIENT HAS DONE HIS BEST TO TRY AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD AGREE TO, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. RUSSELL. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, WE HAVE MS. RUBY RAMOS. I HOPE I KEEP THIS RIGHT. MY NAME IS RUBY RAMOS. I LIVE AT TWO 15 EAST PETALUMA. I'M RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO REZONE. I BELIEVE THAT M WHAT IS IT? 18 M WHATEVER IT IS, DOESN'T FIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE HOUSES THIS WAY. WE HAVE HOUSES THIS WAY. I'M GONNA BE AFFECTED. WHATEVER THEY BUILT THAT MF WHATEVER 18 THAT THEY WANNA BUILD DOES NOT FIT IN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ALREADY HAVE DUPLEXES ON ONE SIDE OF THE, UH, STREET, ANOTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. WE HAVE ANOTHER SET OF DUPLEXES. DOESN'T WORK OUT IN THE LONG RUN. DOESN'T WORK OUT. I KNOW THEIR INTENTION IS THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, DON'T GET ME WRONG. WE WANT NEIGHBORHOODS TO COME IN. WE WANT, BUT WE WANNA KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL. WE REALLY DO. I WANT HER TO BUILD HER HOUSES BUT NOT DUPLEXES LIKE THAT. THAT DOES NOT FIT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I, MY NEIGHBORS, I KNOW THEM, ALL OF THEM AND THEY'RE AGAINST IT. THEY CAN'T BE HERE. THEY HAVE MEDICAL REASONS THEY WORK AND IF YOU WANNA TALK TO THEM, THEY CAN BE REACHED AT A CERTAIN TIME, NOT AT 10 IN THE MORNING. 'CAUSE THEY ALL WORK. THAT'S WHY THEY CAN'T REACH 'EM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS. RONALDS. THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. MS. RUSSELL, WOULD YOU LIKE A BRIEF REBUTTAL? UM, JUST BRIEFLY. SO JUST TO SPEAK TO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WE ATTENDED TWO SEPARATE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS PAST SIX O'CLOCK. UM, THESE WERE THE ONLY TWO RESIDENTS WHO HAVE CONSISTENTLY BEEN THERE. SO WE HAVE ATTEMPTED SOME OUTREACH. WE ALSO SENT LETTERS TO THE RESIDENTS AND WE PERSONALLY WENT OUT THERE. SO WE'VE BEEN OUT AT DIFFERENT TIMES. WE'VE CALLED, WE'VE SENT LETTERS AND WE'VE ATTENDED NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO GET A RESPONSE UNTIL YESTERDAY AND THE RESPONSE WAS KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT WAS, THIS IS GONNA INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY MORE TAXES OR THIS IS GONNA DECREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUES. AND SO THERE'S GONNA, AND THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, ADDITIONAL CRIME THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BRINGS. I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS THE MF 18 AND WHAT IF MY CLIENT DOES NOT DEVELOP THE SIX UNITS, THREE DUPLEXES THAT SOME OTHER PURCHASER IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND BUILD AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S THE CONCERN. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT WITH THE APPLICATION AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS TO ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. IF THERE WAS SOMETHING HE COULD SIGN TO SAY, ABSOLUTELY WE WILL ONLY BUILD THESE THREE, HE WOULD SIGN IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN PROVIDE THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT. UM, HE'S INTENDING TO CREATE A CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION. THERE WILL BE COVENANTS IN PLACE THAT DON'T ALLOW FOR ANY ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES AND THAT IS HOW THE FORMATION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND HOW HE HAS DEVELOPED THEM IN THE PAST. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A PROPERTY MANAGER. 'CAUSE THERE IT IS A CONDOMINIUM THAT HE REALLY CREATES. UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, BUT THIS IS THE APPLICATION AND YOU KNOW, OUR HANDS ARE TIED IN CERTAIN WAYS. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU CHAIR. QUESTION FOR STAFF REAL QUICK. UH, JUST TO GET CLARIFICATION, UH, THE ZONING REQUEST IS FOR MF 18. SO POTENTIALLY IF, IF THEY WOULD SELL IT OR CHANGE THEIR MIND OR SOMETHING, THEY COULD BUILD UP TO 18, UH, UNITS PER ACRE OR PER HERE. CORRECT. UM, THE ZONING WOULD PERMIT 18 UNITS PER ACRE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND, AND MS. RUSSELL, UH, WHILE YOU'RE WALKING UP, THANK YOU FOR, FOR COMING TO THE COUPLE OF MEETINGS. I THINK I WAS AT, WELL NOT THAT I THINK I WAS AT YESTERDAY'S, I WAS AT YESTERDAY. WE WERE THERE. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, DID YOU RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? I THINK IT WAS SENT WAS IT THIS MORNING? LAST NIGHT. LAST NIGHT, YES, I DID. UM, AND I THINK THEY'RE, [03:45:01] THEY'RE REQUESTING, I GUESS, OR THEY WOULD ACCEPT THE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION THAT C IS PROPOSING. UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT OR WAS THAT AN OPTION? UM, SO AS WE DISCUSSED AT YESTERDAY'S MEETING AND PRIOR, UM, DEVELOPING ONLY FOUR UNITS, TWO PLEX, TWO DUPLEXES, FOUR UNITS, UM, DOES NOT, UM, WOULD CAUSE MY CLIENT TO BE AT A DEFICIT ON THE PROPERTY. UM, HE'S ALREADY COST OUT WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR HIM TO BUILD THESE AND, AND THE TYPES OF MATERIALS HE LIKES TO USE BECAUSE HE DOES WANT IT TO HAVE A CERTAIN LOOK AND OF A CERTAIN QUALITY. AND, UM, ANYTHING LESS THAN SIX JUST DOESN'T GET HIM TO WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE, UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. RUSSELL. UH, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO THANK THE, UH, RESIDENTS FROM, UH, YES MA'AM. SO MS. ROMERO WOULD, I'M OH, OH, OH, SHE CAN HEAR STUFF. OKAY. UM, THANK THE RESIDENTS FOR, FOR WAITING. I, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE A QUICK ONE ON THE VERY FIRST ONE, BUT IT WASN'T. BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT. UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE RIGHT? SEEING NONE TO THE LEFT. YES, COMMISSIONER. VE YOU'RE SLOW MAN. NO, LOOK, LOOK. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIPES. OH, I GET TO GO FIRST. YES YOU DO. OH, OKAY. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO THE THREE UNITS, UM, I KNOW CITY, SO HOLD ON. REBOOT. UM, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS. IS THERE AN OPTION TO DO THAT SAME RM FOUR FOR SIX DWELLING UNITS OR NO? NO. SO IT WAS EITHER FOUR OR MF 18. YEAH. SO ONCE YOU, SORRY I WAS WRONG. ONCE YOU EXCEED UM, FOUR, YOU'RE STARTING TO GO INTO MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD EITHER REQUIRE THE IDZ OR MULTIFAMILY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. JUST TO KIND OF GO OFF WHAT SHE JUST SAID, THE IDZ FOR SIX UNITS IS A POSSIBILITY BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO RESTART. I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER KELLUM. COMMISSIONER WHITSETT. COMMISSIONER DVE. THANKS CHAIR. REAL QUICK. STAFF, UM, LOOKING AT 2 23 PETALUMA, WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP, THAT SEEMS TO BE JUST ONE LONG CONTINUOUS PROPERTY FROM PETALUMA TO KAPLOW, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT JUST THE QUIRKINESS OF THE CORRECT. SO ORIGINALLY THESE, WE, THESE WERE ALL LARGE LOT. UM, I GUESS, UH, AT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION OF THEM THEY ARE LARGE LOT PROPERTIES AND OVER TIME THEY'VE JUST BEEN SUBDIVIDED. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LUM. COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S THAT QUESTION ON THE RM FOUR, UH, HOW MANY UNITS CAN YOU DO ON RM? FOUR. FOUR. FOUR. SO IF THEY CUT THIS PROPERTY IN HALF AND HAD OFF OF COLO HAD TWO LOTS, THEY COULD TECHNICALLY GET EIGHT UNITS ON HERE CORRECT. WITH JUST A REPL TO TWO LOTS AND A REZONING AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO REZONE TWO FOR THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO, BUT AT R FOUR YOU CAN DO 4,000 FOOT LOTS. SO LIKE SHE SAID, TECHNICALLY THEY COULD PUT 10 LOTS ON HERE MAYBE EXCEPT FOUR. R FOUR IS 4,000. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. YES. BUT IT REQUIRES I THEY 35 FEET OF FRONT FRONTAGE ON A 35 FEET. HUNDRED FOOT FRONTAGE ON A STREET 30, YES. 35 FEET OF FRONTAGE. OKAY. SO YOU PROBABLY GET SIX LOTS IN HERE. FOUR. JUST FOUR OR SO WHEN I MEASURED THE FRONTAGE OF THE LOT CURRENTLY IT'S LIKE AT A HUNDRED FEET. YEAH. YEAH. A FLAG LOT STILL WOULD REQUIRE 35 FEET OF FRONTAGE. WELL THE FLAG LOT COULD BE REDUCED ON THE FRONTAGE, BUT THERE IS A LIMIT ON HOW MANY FLAG LOTS YOU COULD DO. OKAY. OKAY. JUST TRYING TO MAKE ONE OF THE OTHER IDEAS. YEAH. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER DVE, CAN I HAVE THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE? SO I, UH, IT KIND OF RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY. THE IMPLICATION THAT IF, UH, YOU DON'T GET THE ZONING YOU WANT, THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER DENSITY. SO HELP ME WORK OUT THE NUMBERS HERE SO I CAN FIGURE OUT. SO THE REQUESTED ZONING IS MF 18? YES. SO GIVEN THE CURRENT LOT DIMENSIONS, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THAT MF 18 WOULD ALLOW? WELL, UNDER THE CODE 1818 OUR REQUEST IS SIX. BUT THE, BUT UNDER THE CODE 18, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MINCE WORDS HERE LIKE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT. RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOUR REQUEST, THE REQUEST IS NOT FOR MF [03:50:01] WHATEVER 10, IT'S FOR MF 18 BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THAT THERE IS. RIGHT. BUT THE ENTITLEMENT WOULD BE FOR MF 18? YES. UM, YOUR APPLICANT WOULD WANNA REDUCE, YOU KNOW, NOT USE THAT FULL ALLOWANCE, BUT IT WOULD BE FOR MF 18 I THAT'S ACCURATE. OKAY. I HELP ME, HELP ME OUT TO SEE THE LOT SPLITS TO GET TO 10. I I JUST DON'T, I AM NOT AN ENGINEER AND I DON'T FEEL FULLY COMFORTABLE REPRESENTING ANYTHING OTHER THAN HE HAS SPOKEN TO HIS ENGINEER AND THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN GET AT LEAST EIGHT. THAT'S THE REPRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET ALL THE WAY TO 10. I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN GET TO AT LEAST EIGHT, UM, STAFF IF MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME OUT. I, I MEAN I DON'T, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER EITHER. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WITH THE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT BEING A FLAG LOT WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS? OKAY, GIMME A SECOND. WE HAVE TO LOOK IN THE CODE WHILE KELLY, ARE YOU ASSUMING A REPL? YES. MR. DOUGLE? YES. WHICH, UH, TO STAFF TO CLARIFY THE PROCESS FOR REPL, IS THAT BY RIGHT? IS THAT NO, NO. THEY WOULD'VE TO SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION, SUBMIT THEIR PLANS TO OUR SUBDIVISIONS TEAM. BUT IS IT A MINISTERIAL APPLICATION? IT CAN BE A MINISTERIAL IF THE PLAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. IT HAS TO MEET STATE REQUIREMENTS. YES. RIGHT. AND FOR EVERYONE'S BENEFIT MINISTERIAL AS OPPOSED TO NON-DISCRETIONARY MEANS WHAT? THAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? OH, THAT, THAT DISCRETIONARY HAS TO GO TO A COMMISSION. N NOT NECESSARILY DISCRETION, SORRY. MINISTERIAL MEANS THAT THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO APPROVE IT IF IT DOES MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. RIGHT. IT STILL GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IF AFTER 30 DAYS IT IS DEEMED APPROVED. GOT IT. OKAY. NO MATTER WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION DOES. GOT IT. SO YES. YEAH. LET SO . SO, SO YES, LET'S ASSUME THE, THE MINISTERIAL, UH, REPL. UM, I'D LOVE TO TO KNOW JUST WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. UM, I MEAN IN THE INTERIM, UH, OTHER FOLKS IGNORANT COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. YES. COMMISSIONER HEEN. UH, JUST A, A QUESTION FOR, UM, MS. UH, BEN VIDA, RIGHT? IS SHE THERE? I'M STILL HERE. OH, THERE YOU'RE, SORRY. YOU'RE BEHIND A COMPUTER. UM, I IS THERE, UM, IF THEY, SO JUST, I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, SO IF FOR SOME REASON, LET'S SAY THEY DO GET 10 OR EIGHT SUBDIVIDED PLOTS PLOTS, UM, BY, RIGHT, UH, THEY WOULD, UH, EACH, EACH HOUSE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE A DUPLEX, CORRECT? NO. 'CAUSE THEY, I'M SORRY. NO, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO A DUPLEX ON THERE. THEY COULD HAVE SINGLE FAMILY IF THEY SUBDIVIDE, BUT IN ORDER TO, I GUESS UTILIZE THE B TWO R FOUR, LIKE SOME OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA, THEY'D HAVE TO BE IN THEIR ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION. THEY COULD POTENTIALLY GET TWO UNITS IF EACH PROPERTY OWNER AFTER SALE WANTED TO PUT AN A DU BUT NOT A DUPLEX BY, RIGHT? NO. OH, OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. UH, THANK YOU. UH, AND THEN A QUESTION FOR MS UH, RUSSELL. UM, I KNOW WE HAD BROUGHT, I, I I REALLY STRONGLY BELIEVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REPRESENTS THE NEIGHBORS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WHEN A DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY MOVES IN, I, I LIKE FOR THEM TO GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND KNOCK ON THE DOORS. AND I KNOW IT SEEMS, UM, I GUESS AT TIMES IT COULD BE DI YOU KNOW, DANGEROUS, BUT, UM, I, I SEE THAT I, YOU HAD MENTIONED GOING OUT TO, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. DID, DID YOU WIND UP GOING BLOCK WALKING A LITTLE BIT IN THAT AREA? I DID. OKAY. YOU YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. UM, I DID AND SOMEONE CONFRONTED ME. YEAH. THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY BEHIND ON KAPLOW WAS PHYSICALLY AGGRESSIVE WITH ME AND I HAVE A THREE MONTH OLD MM-HMM . AND IT'S NOT FUN TO BE IN THOSE SITUATIONS AND I WOULD REALLY WISH THAT Y'ALL WOULD RETHINK THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF HAVING PEOPLE GO DOOR TO DOOR, ESPECIALLY AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK. YEAH, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHEN MOST OF THE ISSUES HAPPEN. I DO CRIMINAL LAW AS WELL AND I DON'T REALLY WANNA BRING THAT UP, BUT WE GO THE REQUIREMENTS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S A CONTROLLED AREA IN WHICH THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE PRESENT THAT NOTHING BAD'S GONNA HAPPEN. BUT WHEN PEOPLE OF ALL RACES, ALL GENDERS, ALL AGES ARE HAVING TO GO DOOR TO DOOR. THERE'S A CONCERN. AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND Y'ALL HAVE ENCOURAGED IT, THE CITY'S ON THE HOOK FOR IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. SOMETIMES DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS, DIFFERENT DENSITIES OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RACE, WHATEVER THEY'RE AT, SOMETIMES THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE, BAD CHARACTERS. UH, AND THAT'S WHY THE NEIGHBORHOODS FIGHT THE WAY THEY DO, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE OLDER ONES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MS. RUSSELL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER HEINA HOSA. YES, I JUST [03:55:01] A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL OF, OF RE PLATTING IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT. I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT LIKE WITH ALL EVERY ZONING CASE THAT COMES BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THAT'S ALWAYS THE CASE THAT THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WAYS TO REACH CERTAIN DENSITIES, CERTAIN CONFIGURATIONS. BUT THE REQUEST TODAY IS FOR MF 18. THANK YOU. AND FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PERSPECTIVE, I WANT TO JUMP IN AND SAY THAT WE WOULD DISAGREE WITH THE OPINION THAT THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK FOR IT. UH, . THANK YOU. UM, ALRIGHT. UH, YES, COMMISSIONER DOELL, I, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE, ARE, ARE STILL WORKING ON IT, BUT JUST THE UM, THE STATUS QUO AS I SEE IT IS CURRENT ZONING. IT'S A BIG LOT. THEY COULD SUBDIVIDE THE LOT. SO, UM, IF, IF YOU WERE STILL WORKING ON IT, I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE OPINION IS OF, OF HOW MANY. SO YOU CAN DO UP TO TWO FLAG LOTS IF YOU'RE UNDER 10 ITEMS. SO THAT'S HOW MANY FLAG LIGHTS, MAX FLAG LOTS, MAXIMUM THAT YOU'D BE PERMITTED. ALRIGHT. WHICH WOULD BRING US TO SIX POTENTIALLY. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT, YEAH, WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IT'S NOT GERMANE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, AS MR. WILSON POINTED OUT, IT'S NOT THE ISSUE BEFORE US TODAY. UM, WHICH MIGHT BE HOW WE GO FORWARD FROM HERE ON OUT. UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE WERE INNUMERABLE PERMUTATIONS THAT COULD HAVE OCCURRED. THE APPLICANT COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANY NUMBER OF THEM. THEY DIDN'T. THEY CHOSE MF 18. UH, SO FINE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO OVER TRY TO OVERRULE ME ON THAT, UH, IT WOULD TAKE A 50% VOTE. UH, BUT AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA SAY NOT GERMANE. AND ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO MY RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, UH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL MOTION. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, THIS CASE, UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION JUST, JUST BY LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS, THE DIRECT NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, NEIGHBOR, EXCUSE ME, AND THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. UH, DO NOT SUPPORT THE, UM, CURRENT ZONING REQUEST. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, MF 18, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE R FOURS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S, IT, IT JUST, IT'S VERY OUT OF CHARACTER. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. COMMISSIONER TSET IS THE SECOND DISCUSSION TO MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE DISCUSSION TO MY LEFT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TSET. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER OSA? YES. COMMISSIONER TSET? YES. COMMISSIONER KELLUM? NO. COMMISSIONER LO? YES. COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? NO. COMMISSIONER HUI. AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. COMMISSIONER KELLY? NO. COMMISSIONER AL. AYE. CHAIR BUSANTE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. WE ARE RECOMMENDING BODY. IT'S GOING ON TO CITY COUNCIL POTENTIALLY. UH, AND THEY HAVE SIX MONTHS TO DO SO. ALRIGHT, GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE. ALRIGHT, [Approval of Minutes  ] THE NEXT THING WE HAVE IS ITEM NUMBER 20. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. I DO HAVE ONE AMENDMENT ON PAGE 11. MS. WEISER'S NAME IS MISSPELLED. IF WE COULD FIX THAT. UM, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE LONG MEETINGS. I GO THROUGH THE MINUTES. UM, IN ANY EVENT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, AMENDMENTS, CHANGES, EDITS, CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? LOOKING LEFT. SEEING NONE. LOOKING RIGHT. SEEING NONE. ALRIGHT, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION. MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. THERE'S A MOTION TO FOR APPROVAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. SECOND BY, I'M GONNA GO WITH COMMISSIONER HUEY 'CAUSE I'M HARD OF HEARING AND TIRED. UM, AND THIS CAN BE BY ACCLAMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, I'M SORRY. ACTUALLY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AS AMENDED. AS AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED AS. ALRIGHT, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES AS AMENDED. SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. AB ABSTENTION DR. KELLUM. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NO. DIRECTOR'S REPORT. ALRIGHT, THE TIME IS 5 0 8 AND THIS MEETING OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.