Jun 17, 2026 City Council B Session

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COUNCILMEMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. THE TIME IS NOW 2:04 P.M.

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>> CLERK: THANK YOU. THIS MEETING IS A BRIEFING, IS AN UPDATE.

THIS WAS DEFERRED, IF YOU REMEMBER, FROM ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AN UPDATE ON THE SPORTS AND DOWNTOWN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. GO AHEAD, ERIK.

>> WALSH: THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. YES, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN SCHEDULED ON MAY 7TH AND BASED ON COUNCIL CONVERSATION THAT DAY AND THE REQUEST TO MOVE IT TO A B SESSION, TODAY'S UPDATE ON THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND THE PROGRESS MADE SINCE THE LAST COUNCIL UPDATE. THIS INITIATIVE OBVIOUSLY REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE OF SAN ANTONIO, IT INCLUDES POTENTIALLY A DOWNTOWN ARENA, CONVENTION CENTER EXPANSION, ENHANCED CONNECTIVITY DOWNTOWN, THE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND OTHER KEY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

SHANNON IS KIND OF GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE UPDATE SINCE THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE TERM SHEET FRAMEWORK AND SUBSEQUENT ACTIONS, STAFF HAS BEEN CONTINUING TO COORDINATE WITH KEY PARTNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS ON THE WORK, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION.

WE WILL ALSO INCLUDE IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION THE TIMELINE FOR WHEN WE WILL BE RETURNING BACK. THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GOING BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER, AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO SHANNON

TO WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT.

>> THANK YOU, ERIK. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR BAND COUNCIL, I'M SHANNON MILLER, CHIEF DOWNTOWN OFFICER. HAPPY TO BE WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON TO WALK THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. WE WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP THAT BEGAN MEETING IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP, AND YOU'LL SEE THE MEMBERS LISTED THERE, IS WORKING TO INVENTORY RELEVANT EFFORTS AN DATA AROUND HOUSING, INFRASTRUCTURE, MOBILITY AND DOWNTOWN.

THE GROUP IS MADE UP OF FIVE COUNCILMEMBERS AND FIVE COMMUNITY LEADERS IN HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, -- HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION, WHO WILL HELP US DEVELOP A POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

AT THE LAST MEETING T WORKING GROUP REVIEWED UPCOMING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS BY OPPORTUNITY HOME AND BY THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, AND WE RECEIVED BRIEFINGS FROM VIA ABOUT THEIR DOWNTOWN MOBILITY EFFORTS, AND ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS AND SOME OF THE HANDOUTS FROM THAT LAST SESSION WERE PASSED OUT FOR YOU PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

THE MEETING NEXT MONTH WILL INCLUDE DISCUSSION BY CENTRO SAN ANTONIO OF THE DRAFT DOWNTOWN STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK THAT THEY COMMISSIONED AND WE WILL ALSO DISCUSS PUBLIC ASSETS DOWNTOWN, SUCH AS EFFORTS RELATED TO THE RIVERWALK STRATEGIC PLAN THAT IS UNDERWAY. THIS WORK BUILDS UPON ADOPTED PRIORITIES FOR DOWNTOWN THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE SA TOMORROW DOWNTOWN AREA PLAN. AS OF ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO, THE CITY HIRED ECCENTRA TO SERVE AS THE PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE OVERALL DISTRICT PROGRAM AND HELPED TO COORDINATE THE VARIOUS PROJECTS

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THE PURCHASE PRICE IS $30 MILLION PLUS CLOSING COST OF UP TO 120,000 AND THAT PURCHASE PRICE IS FUNDED THROUGH A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE SPURS. CLOSING IS EXPECTED ON THAT PROPERTY IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. THE SECOND PROPERTY IS THE FORMER ITC SITE AT THE CORNER OF I-37. CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE UT SYSTEM.

THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 13.5-ACRE PROPERTY AND IS PLANNED FOR THE ARENA AND THE MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THAT PROPERTY WILL COST APPROXIMATELY $60 MILLION, ALTHOUGH APPRAISALS ARE STILL UNDER WAY, AND THE FUNDING IS ANTICIPATED TO COME FROM THE MID TOWN TIRZ. THAT PURCHASE SHOULD BE FINALIZED LATER THIS YEAR, BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS ABOUT SOME UPDATES ON OUR FACILITIES.

THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT CONTAINS TWO OF OUR EXISTING FACILITIES, THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE ALAMODOME.

AS IT RELATES TO THE CONVENTION CENTER, WE CONTINUE TO ASSESS OUR EXPANSION REQUIREMENTS BASED ON MARKET ANALYSIS, OUR SPACE NEEDS, OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACCESS TO THE PARK AND BASED ON STAKEHOLDER INPUT.

IN FACT, EVEN -- JUST EARLIER TODAY, I MET WITH THE SAN ANTONIO BUSINESS COALITION TO DISCUSS THE NEED FOR THIS EXPANSION IN ORDER TO OPTIMIZE OUR SPACE AND TO STAY COMPETITIVE IN THE CONVENTION CENTER MARKETPLACE. WE KNOW THAT AN EXPANSION OF THE EXHIBIT HALLS AND COMPLIMENTING MEETING ROOMS AND BALLROOM SPACE WILL ALLOW US TO HOST MORE SIMULTANEOUS EVENTS WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO US TO STAY COMPETITIVE.

THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER ALONG WITH A PROPOSED TIMELINE FOR DESIGN AND PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

AS IT RELATES TO THE ALAMODOME, WE'RE CONTINUING OUR ASSESSMENT OF CAPITAL NEEDS TO SUPPORT THE OPERATIONS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THIS FEASIBILITY WORK WILL SERVE AS THE BASIS FOR CAPITAL PLANNING AS WE CONTINUE OPERATING THE ALAMODOME. WE ALSO WILL ASSESS CREATIVE CAPITAL OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN FOCUS ON THE TYPES OF INVESTMENT THAT'S WILL HAVE A FINANCIAL RETURN OR SERVE TO ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE VISITING THE ALAMODOME. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL ALSO BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER.

SO THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES RELATE TO MOBILITY IN DOWNTOWN.

SO I'M GOING TO START WITH AN UPDATE ON THE DOWNTOWN ACCESSIBILITY AND MOBILITY STUDY. THIS STUDY WILL EVALUATE PARKING AS ONE COMPONENT OF A BROADER AND INTEGRATED DOWNTOWN MOBILITY SYSTEM.

WE KNOW THAT HAVING STRONG TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS IS A COMMUNITY PRIORITY, THE DEMAND FOR PARKING CAN BE OFFSET BY OFFERING AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE AND TIMELY ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS. THE STUDY WILL ASSESS THE FEASIBILITY OF NEW AND EXISTING CITY-OWNED FACILITIES AS WELL AS THE UTILIZATION OF EXISTING PRIVATE PARKING. THE STUDY WILL ALSO CONSIDER THE EXPECTED INCREASED UTILIZATION OF VIA AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COMPANIES. TOMORROW ON JUNE 18TH, CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER A CONTRACT WITH WALKER CONSULTANTS VALUED AT JUST UNDER 500,000 TO CONDUCT THE STUDY, AND DRAFT FINDINGS FROM THAT CONSULTANT GROUP WILL BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER.

THOSE FINDINGS ARE ANTICIPATED TO INCLUDE EXISTING CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT, PARKING AND MOBILITY, ECOSYSTEM ANALYSIS, FINDINGS

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THEY WOULD NOT YET INCLUDE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, OF COURSE, OR ANY FINAL CONCLUSIONS PENDING FEEDBACK FROM CITY COUNCIL ON THOSE INITIAL FINDINGS. THE CITY WAS AWARDED A U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PLANNING GRANT TO STUDY AND IMPROVE CONNECTIVITY ACROSS I-37 BETWEEN HOUSTON STREET AND CAROLINA STREET TO THE SOUTH. THE STUDY WILL EVALUATE CURRENT LIKE FREEWAY CROSSINGS, INCLUDING UNDERPASSES AND THE EXISTING PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AND THEN CONSIDER OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO IMPROVE MOBILITY IN THAT AREA. PROJECT DELIVERABLES WILL INCLUDE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING FOR THE PREFERRED OPTIONS THAT ARE DETERMINED THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS.

PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS PROJECT KICKS OFF LATER THIS MONTH, WITH THREE IDENTICAL WORKSHOPS OFFERED ON JUNE 25TH AND 27TH, SO THEY'RE OFFERED AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF DAY, BOTH DURING THE DAY, IN THE EVENING AND ONE ON THE WEEKEND, SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL DIFFERENT SCHEDULES.

ABOUT A YEAR AGO IN JUNE OF 2025 AT B SESSION, WE PRESENTED A SLATE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT LARGE EVENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BOTH TODAY AND AS THE DISTRICT DEVELOPS AND IS BUILT OUT. WE'RE REVISITING THOSE BASED ON ONGOING STUDIES AND IN COORDINATION WITH OTHER EFFORTS AND WITH VIA AND TXDOT.

WE WILL ALSO BE COORDINATING WITH THE SPURS AS THEY DEVELOP THEIR CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN FOR THE PORTION OF THE DISTRICT THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING AND HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT INFRASTRUCTURE ALIGNMENTS. AND SO THAT STUDY WILL ALSO BE COMPLETED AND WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, ALONG WITH ESTIMATED BUDGET NUMBERS, IN SEPTEMBER. AND THEN FINALLY, THIS YEAR THE CITY WILL BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS OF THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS AND AGREEMENTS FOR THE ARENA PROJECT WITH THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS, THE SPURS DEVELOPER, BEXAR COUNTY AND OTHERS. THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WILL BE INFORMED BY ALL OF THE ONGOING STUDIES THAT I'VE MENTIONED, ALSO THE DISTRICT STUDY THAT IS UNDER WAY. YOU'LL SEE ON THE SLIDE, THIS IS KIND OF A SAMPLE OF THE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS THAT WILL BE NEEDED, BUT THERE ARE MANY MORE AND LIKELY AS THE NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN AND GET UNDER WAY, SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE COMBINED OR ADDITIONAL AGREEMENTS MIGHT BE NEEDED. STAFF WILL ALSO BE UPDATED FINANCIAL MODELS, INCLUDING REVENUE PROJECTIONS, AS SUM SHP UNS AND MARKET CONDITIONS. WE DO EXPECT THAT NEGOTIATIONS ON THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF DECEMBER.

AND WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AS ARE SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS

OF STAFF IN THE AUDIENCE. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU, SHANNON.

COUNCILWOMAN KAUR? >> KAUR: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, SHANNON, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SECOND SLIDE AROUND THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP AND KIND OF SOME OF THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAD FROM THIS LAST SESSION IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH. FOR MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, WE'VE PRINTED UP FOR YOU TWO THINGS. ONE IS THE HOUSING MARKET STUDY, AND THIS WAS A PRESENTATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US BY PETE FROM THE HOUSING TRUST AS THE CEO, AND HE SHARED WITH US FINDINGS AROUND HOUSING DOWNTOWN, WHICH WERE REALLY INTERESTING. WE HAD SOME REALLY ROBUST DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE CYCLE AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, AND HOW WITH HOUSING SUPPLY, WHEN YOU GET TO A PEAK, EVENTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE IS A FALL, WHERE A LOT OF THE UNITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ARE ACTUALLY NOT RENTED TO FULL CAPACITY. BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FALL AND THE RECOVERY PHASE TO COME BACK TO STABILIZATION AND CONTINUE TO USE THE HOUSING SUPPLY THAT'S THERE.

AND SO THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT THAT IS WHILE THERE MIGHT SEEM LIKE THERE IS AN OVERSUPPLY, AT SOME POINT THAT OVERSUPPLY IS GOING TO BE TAKEN UP AS THE POPULATION GROWS, SO IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO BUILD, THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY GET TO A PLACE WHERE ALL OF THE RATES WILL RISE FOR HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO LIVE DOWNTOWN. SO IT'S KIND OF A TRICKY THING ABOUT MAKING THE RIGHT ASSUMPTION FOR WHEN WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BUILD MORE AND HOW MUCH MORE INVESTMENT WE NEED TO PUT IN DEVELOPING HOUSING DOWNTOWN. THE MOST BIG TAKEAWAY -- OR THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY THAT I HAD FROM THIS HOUSING PRESENTATION WAS THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING GETS PICKED UP FASTER DOWNTOWN, WHICH MEANS THE ABSORPTION RATE IS BETTER FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THEN THE SECOND THING I REALLY TOOK AWAY IF BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN, IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO INVEST IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEN WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT NATURALLY OCCURRING IS GOING TO INCREASE IN

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THERE'S ALSO ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WHICH IS THE WHITNEY, IT'S ON BONHAM STREET, IT'S AT 425 BONHAM STREET, IT'S A HOTEL TO WORKFORCE HOUSING CONVERSION. THAT GEEING TO BE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE ALAMO, OF THE HEMISFAIR PARK AND ALL OF THE THINGS DOWNTOWN, SO THAT THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY DOWNTOWN WILL REALLY SOON HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE.

SO I WAS EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. AND THEN THE SECOND THING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THIS REALLY COOL PLACARD FROM VIA, AND I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN WILL MENTION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, TOO, BECAUSE SHE ENJOYED SEEING THIS DURING OUR MEETING, BUT THIS SHOWS YOU THAT VIA HAS A VERY CLEAR FOCUS ON MOVING PEOPLE IN, AROUND AND OUT OF DOWNTOWN AND WHAT THEIR PLAN IS FOR DOING THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW AS A COMMUNITY IS THAT VIA IS A HUGE PART OF ANY TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED, AND SO WHAT I'M HOPING THAT WE SEE IN SEPTEMBER WHEN THE MOBILITY AND ACCESS STUDY COMES BACK IS HOW CAN WE BETTER PARTNER WITH MORE MICROMOBILITY OPTIONS WITH MORE VIA PARK AND RIDE THAT ARE CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE MOVING WITHOUT RESORT TO CAR TRAFFIC AND PARKING LOTS.

SO THIS PLAN THAT THEY HAVE ALSO IS LOOKING AT SOME REALLY COOL INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS, INCLUDING AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES THAT ARE VANS THAT CAN MOVE AT A FASTER RATE USING THE ADVANCED RAPID TRANSIT GREEN LINE THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING STRAIGHT DOWN SAN PEDRO RIGHT INTO THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT FASTER AND QUICKER, AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY WONDERFUL FOR NOT ONLY THE ACTIVATIONS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, BUT ALSO THE SPACE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT RIGHT NOW IS JUST KIND OF BEING DEFEATED THROUGH THE USE OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS. THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WITH THE MOBILITY AND ACCESS STUDY THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT WHILE WE MIGHT IMAGINE EVERYONE WILL TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT, WE KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE, AND SO E DO HAVE TO HAVE BETTER PARKING MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE, AND SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THE STUDY COMES BACK WITH FOR ELECTRONIC PARKING SYSTEMS THAT INCLUDES PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN NOT ONLY CITY/PUBLIC LOTS BUT ALSO PRIVATE LOTS, AND SO I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COMES BACK ALONG WITH THINGS LIKE CURB CONTROL, BOOTING ORDINANCE, ET CETERA.

I'M A LITTLE BIT BEING NERDY RIGHT NOW WITH ALL OF THE STUFF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP, BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS WE TOO OFTEN DO THINGS IN SILOS AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE SO MANY PUBLIC ENTITIES DOING SUCH GREAT WORK, THE MORE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, OPPORTUNITY HOME AND HOUSING TRUST SITTING SIDE BY SIDE, TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS THEY HAVE UPCOMING, VIA AND CITY LEADERSHIP GETTING ALIGNED IS SUPER IMPORTANT AND HAVING CENTRO AT THE TABLE WHICH HAS ALREADY LED WITH THE DOWNTOWN STUDY THAT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED AND A PARKING STUDY AND LEARNING FROM THEM AS WELL I THINK IS IMPORTANT.

SO I'M GRATEFUL TO BE A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO THIS BODY OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT, SO THIS BODY, WHICH IS THE POLICY-MAKING BODY FOR THE CITY, CAN ACTUALLY TAKE UP THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO THAT'S THE -- WHAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FROM THAT, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ALL THESE STUDIES THAT SEPTEMBER, I'M JUST, LIKE, THINKING, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER ARE GOING TO BE HEAVY MONTHS.

WE'VE GOT TO BUCKLE UP. THERE'S A GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING AT THAT TIME, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING HOW ALL OF THAT COMES ALIVE, BECAUSE AS WE SAW IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, MAN, DOWNTOWN WAS LIT UP, AND IT WAS WONDERFUL AND I WANTED TO LASTLY NOT FULLY RELATED, BUT GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE DOWNTOWN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS BECAUSE THEY DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. SO THANKS, AND THANKS,

MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

TROY, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UP DATE ON THE ITEMS THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED OR UPDATED THE FINANCIAL PICTURE. SO THE HOTEL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED FOR THE CHILLED WATER PLANT, FOR EXAMPLE, ANY CHANGES, UPDATES AS YOU SEE TO THE FINANCING, EITHER CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE TIRZ OR PFC OR DISTRIBUTION THERE WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO -- AS PART OF

THIS UPDATE AS WELL. GO AHEAD. >> ELLIOTT: THE HOTEL THAT WAS ENVISIONED OVER THE CHILLED WATER PLANT, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND YOU'VE SEEN FROM SAWS, THEY WERE CONDUCTING THAT STUDY.

AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT WERE EVALUATING THE MOVEMENT OF THAT CHILLED WATER PLANT TO AN ALTERNATE LOCATION. THAT BECAME FROM A FEASIBILITY STANDPOINT VERY COSTLY, SO THAT WAS DISCONTINUED.

ALSO THE HOTEL, IN LOOKING AT THAT AND NOT MOVING THAT CHILLED WATER PLANT, WE'RE NO LONGER CONSIDERING MOVING THAT HOTEL -- OR BUILDING THAT HOTEL. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. THE ACTUAL IMPACT THAT

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ANALYSIS. >> MAYOR JONES: GIVEN, OBVIOUSLY HOW THOSE THINGS ARE FUNDED, THE PFZ IS FUNDED, IS THERE ANOTHER HOTEL ENVISIONED IN THAT DOWNTOWN AREA THAT WOULD MAKE UP FOR THAT THOUSAND-ROOM HOTEL

THAT IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE? >> ELLIOTT: WELL, IT WON'T MAKE UP, BECAUSE IT WASN'T CONSIDERED, BUT THERE IS A PART OF THE CONSIDERATION MARYDGES AT ONE POINT -- WELL, TO BE VERY CLEAR, THOUGH, THERE WAS AN ASSESSED NEED FOR 1,000-ROOM HOTEL NEXT TO THE CONVENTION CENTER IN OR AROUND IT TO SUPPORT OPERATION. MY QUESTION WITH THAT NO LOCKER ON THE CHILLED WATER PLANT, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANOTHER HOTEL, SO THAT DEMAND, I'M GUESSING YOU STILL ASSESS WILL BE THERE, HOW DO YOU

INTEND TO MEET THAT. >> ELLIOTT: RIGHT THERE IN TERMS THERE IS NOT ANOTHER CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL THAT'S BEINGEN 56ED TO REPLACE THE CURRENT

ONE. >> WALSH: I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, MAYOR, THE THINGS ON OUR PLATE ARE WHAT WE NEED TO DO. IF THE SAWS FEASIBILITY CAME BACK AND IT WASN'T -- IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE TO DO GREW THAT EFFORT, THEN WE WERE GOING TO STOP ANY ADDITIONAL WORK ON A CONVENTION CENTER HOTEL AND FOCUS ON THE MATTERS AT HAND.

>> MAYOR JONES: MAYBE YOU CAN TALK -- OR MAYBE SHANNON CAN TALK TO IT AS WELL. HELPING US UNDERSTAND THE INTERPLAY THEN BETWEEN THE ANTICIPATED EXPANSION OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, WHICH I WOULD UNDERSTAND IS CONNECTED TO ADDITIONAL HOTEL CAPACITY.

IF THAT ADDITIONAL HOTEL CAPACITY IS NO LONGER THERE, HOW DO YOU ENVISION THE ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL COMPETITIVENESS OF THE EXPANSION OF THE CONVENTION CENTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE HOTEL NEXT TO IT? HOW SHOULD WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE IN OUR MINDS, AT LEAST MIND,

THOSE TWO THINGS WERE CONNECTED. >> ELLIOTT: I THINK AS WE

CONTEMPLATE -- >> MAYOR JONES: SORRY. THAT'S A WHAT?

>> ELLIOTT: I SAID AS WE CONTEMPLATE MOVING FORWARD, BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE BUILT THAT HOTEL, WE WOULD HAVE DONE A FEASIBILITY STUDY, ONE TO BASICALLY UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS NEEDED, THE SIZE OF THAT HOTEL AND THEN ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH A BRAND TO BUILD THAT HOTEL.

BUT RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CONVENTION CENTER AND ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR HOTEL AS

WE MOVE FORWARD. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. COUNCILMAN GALVAN?

>> GALVAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, SHANNON, FOR THE PRESENTATION. A COU COUPLE QUICK THINGS I WANTED TO ASK.

PRIMARILY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR WITH A LOT OF THESE PIECES IS SEEING WHAT WAYS WE CAN HAVE SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITHIN THESE PARTS.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME PARTS WITHIN THE RECONNECTED COMMUNITIES ONE.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR THE LARGER INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE MOBILITY STUDIES OR ANYTHING OF THIS SORT, I KNOW THEY'RE KIND OF HIGH LEVEL RIGHT NOW, BUT DO YOU ANTICIPATE ANY ENGAGEMENT WITH THE

PUBLIC OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE? >> MILLER: I THINK THE SIMPLE STRAIGHT ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THERE WILL BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS. AS THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN THE DISTRICT MOVE FORWARD, THEN THERE WOULD BE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT RELATED TO EACH ONE, SO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WILL HAVE FEEDBACK OR THOUGHTS ON THE CONVENTION EXPANSION, FOR EXAMPLE, THAN THEY MIGHT ON

ANOTHER PROJECT OF THE DISTRICT. >> GALVAN: GOT IT.

OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. AROUND I GUESS I'D BE INTERESTED -- OR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EPM IS PRESENT DURING SOME OF THOSE ENGAGEMENTS WHENEVER THEY DO TAKE PLACE, THAT WAY THEY CAN ALL BE WORKING TANGIBLY TOGETHER. OF COURSE, THEIR WORK AGAIN IS A LITTLE HIGH LEVEL, TOO, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR THAT FEEDBACK DIRECTLY, SEE WHO SOME OF THE PLAYERS ARE AND INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATIONS JUST SO WE CAN MAKE THAT EFFORT AS MUCH AS

POSSIBLE. >> MILLER: THEY WILL ACTUALLY BEEN BE ENGAGED AND DAN MA LOW FROM ECK SENTRA IS HERE AND THEY'LL BE INVOLVED

THROUGHOUT THE MEETINGS AS WELL. >> GALVAN: I THINK IN THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY FOLKS MAYBE HAVE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DISTRICT OVERALL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FOLKS ARE IN THE ROOM SO THEY CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND THAT WE KNOW THERE'S -- ALL OF IT'S BEING BAKED TOGETHER. SO APPRECIATE THAT.

[INDISCERNIBLE] ONE OF THE DASHBOARDS SAYING IT WAS FOR NEXT YEAR, I THINK, FOR THE PUBLIC-FACING DASHBOARD ON PRIORITY METRICS, DO

YOU HAVE THE TIMELINE FOR THAT ONE? >> MILLER: SO THE FULLY BUILTOUT DASHBOARD THAT ECCENTRA WILL BE WORKING ON WILL BE FINALIZED AROUND THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. SO IT WILL TAKE A WHILE TO BUILD THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE AND COLLECTING THE DATA. BUT WE DO CONTINUE TO HAVE A WEBSITE THAT THE CITY TEAM MAINTAINS AND SA SPEAK UP SITE, AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION IN THAT WAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE DASHBOARD

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INFORMATION. >> WALSH: AND COUNCILMAN, BEFORE WE FINALIZE THAT DASHBOARD, WE'RE GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO SHOW -- THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE PUBLIC DASHBOARD, TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND TO SHOW THE PUBLIC WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

>> GALVAN: PERFECT. THAT'S HELPFUL JUST TO MAKE SURE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE... ON THE MOBILITY AND DOWNTOWN ACCESS, PORTION, OF COURSE, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WALLER CONSULTANTS ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE MASTER PLANS WE HAVE WHETHER IT'S FOR BIKE NETWORK, PUBLIC STREETS, HEMISFAIR -- ALL THOSE THINGS ARE WORKING TOGETHER. THOSE ARE JUST REALLY CRUCIAL, AND OF COURSE MY BELIEF WOULD BE TO HAVE MORE FOCUS ON THE MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION WHAS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AS COUNCILWOMAN KAUR MENTIONED THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO STILL WANT TO PARK, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GROW OUR DOWNTOWN WE NEED TO FIND WAYS THAT MAKE IT AS MULTIMODAL FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE.

JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT ALL IS STILL BAKED IN THERE AS MUCH AS

POSSIBLE. >> MILLER: YES. >> GALVAN: AND THEN FOR THE PIECES WITH TXDOT, WHAT'S THE COMMUNICATION BEEN LIKE WITH TXDOT

OVERALL? >> SO WE'VE HAD POSITIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH TXDOT THROUGHOUT THE PLANNING OF THIS AND SORT OF THOUGHT-PROCESS OF IT AND THAT CONTINUES TO THIS DAY. WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE OUR PIECES OF INFRASTRUCTURE MEET, WHAT'S NECESSARY

AND WHAT'S POSSIBLE. >> GALVAN: AND THEN OF COURSE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS WELLAY HOPEFUL, AND SO JUST IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE THEY REAR PRESENT DURING THOSE WOULD BE HELPFUL, TOO. ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I WANTED TO ASK, AND I KNOW, ERIK, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER THIS WEEK, BUT I GUESS FOR SOME OF THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS, I KNOW WE'RE COMING BACK AROUND FOR A MORE SUBSTANTIAL UPDATE IN DECEMBER, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ANY FEEDBACK ON THESE PIECES WHETHER IT'S COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT OR ANALYSISES OR OTHERS FROM US, THROUGH PUBLIC MEETINGS LIKE THIS OR WOULD IT BE THROUGH CONVERSATION WITH YOU DIRECTLY OR WHAT KIND OF INPUT WOULD YOU LIKE

FROM US ON SOME OF THESE ONES. >> WALSH: SO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT, ONCE WE HAVE THE DISTRICT COST OF STUDY AND WE ACTUALLY BEGIN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WE'LL INITIATE THAT WITH YOU IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND MAKING SURE WE'RE PULLING IN THE FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED.

THE GOAL THAT WE HAVE IS TO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT TO YOU ALL FOR THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. THE DISTRICT COST AND REVENUE STUDY, WHICH IS ALREADY UNDER WAY, YOU GUYS APPROVED ON MAY 7TH, WE NEED THAT.

THAT'S A BIG COMPONENT OF THE NEXT STEPS. IT'S NOT THE ONLY COMPONENT, BUT IT'S A BIG COMPONENT. SO WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU TOWARDS THE END OF SUMMER, EARLY FALL.

>> GALVAN: OKAY. GOT IT S THAT WHEN THE STUDY'S GOING TO BE

WRAPPED UP OR ANTICIPATED? >> WALSH: IT'S SUPPOSED

TO BE DONE IN SEPTEMBER. YES, SIR. >> GALVAN: I THINK THOSE

ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. >> WALSH: SEPTEMBER, RIGHT, TROY?

YEAH. >> GALVAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MUNGIA?

>> MUNGIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOING TO THE SLIDE ABOUT THE MOBILITY STUDY, REMIND ME, WHAT WAS THE CHARGE OF THAT STUDY? THE GOAL THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT.

>> MILLER: NEEDS, BUT TO LOOK AT -- PARKING AS A COMPONENT OF, LIKE, THE LARGER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND REALLY LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN IMPACT THE DEMANDS FOR PARKING BY INCREASING OTHER OPTIONS. SO WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, RIDESHARE, WHETHER IT'S VIA, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MOBILITY OPTIONS THAT EXIST. AND THEN LAYERING ON THAT, BETTER COMMUNICATION ABOUT WHERE PARKING'S AVAILABLE, HOW TO GET TO PLACES, HOW TO PLAN AHEAD FOR TRAFFIC, SO REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE KIND OF ECOSYSTEM OF MOBILITY AROUND DOWNTOWN.

AND ANOTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE OVERALL STUDY IS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET WHEN THEY COME DOWNTOWN, BUT THEN WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND THEY ARE IMPACTED -- SOMETIMES THEY'RE TRYING TO GET HOME. THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO GO TO THE EVENT, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE. SO ALSO BEING MINDFUL OF HOW EVENT DAYS IMPACT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, CURB MANAGEMENT STUDY. SO IT'S A VERY HOLISTIC LOOK AT MOBILITY IN

DOWNTOWN. >> MUNGIA: I UNDERSTAND THAT PARKING IS VERY CENTRIC TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY CAR-CENTRIC CITY, BUT I HOPE WE CAN TAKE THE STUDY BUT REMAIN FOCUSED ON BEING BOLD ABOUT THE FUTURE

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SO, YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST KIND OF REITERATE THAT. ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT -- IT'S JUST AN ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND COUNCILMAN GALVAN TALKED ABOUT IT A FEW MINUTES AGO, BUT WHAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO DO IS FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE PROBABLY QUARTERLY, MAYBE, MEETINGS, AND THAT CAN BE ONLINE OR VIRTUAL OR IN PERSON WHERE YOU'RE JUST GIVING UPDATES TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WHO ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS AND WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPEN AND WANT TO PARTICIPATE OR WANT TO BE TRACKERS OF GOOD CONDUCT BY THE CITY, AND [INDISCERNIBLE] LIKE THESE ARE IMPORTANT FOR US TO GIVEN PU GIVE INPUT, BUT I IMAGINE THERE'S RESIDENTS OUT THERE THAT ARE INTERESTED BUT ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ASK US OR YOU QUESTIONS. THIS DASHBOARD'S NOT GOING TO BE OPEN UNTIL JANUARY, BUT I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? >> MILLER: I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU, BECAUSE -- I MEAN, I THINK ANOTHER PUNT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'D LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IS TO MEET WITH EXISTING GROUPS THAT ARE INTERESTED. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO COME TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, OR I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERSHIP GROUPS. AND SO ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE COULD COME TO, OR INDUSTRY GROUPS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BENEFIT FROM AN UPDATE OR PRESENTATION, WE WOULD REALLY WELCOME

THOSE INVITATIONS. >> MUNGIA: YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE GOOD.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE SAME QUESTION AND

ANSWER BEING PUT TOGETHER. >> MILLER: SURE.

>> MUNGIA: AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS EXPLAINING TO SOME FOLKS, IF I WITH R TO DO ANOTHER TOWN HALL ABOUT THIS, RIGHT, I THINK MY RESIDENTS WOULD SAY, I'D RATHER SEE A TOWN HALL ON ACS, WASTE, STREETS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I THINK I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS THROUGH YOUR OFFICE, AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE GROUPS AND STAKEHOLDERS THAT WILL INVITE YOU, BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE REALLY WORTHWHILE EFFORT IN

TRANSPARENCY. >> MILLER: GREAT, I APPRECIATE THAT

SUGGESTION. >> MUNGIA: AWESOME. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE WORKING GROUP, I KNOW SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE THERE AND THAT'S GREAT, DO YOU THINK THERE'S AN ABILITY TO ADD MINUTES FROM THESE MEETINGS TO

PUBLIC -- FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION? >> MILLER: I MEAN, I THINK WE -- WE CAN DEFINITELY DISCUSS. A LOT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO DATE IS PRESENTATIONS, AND OBVIOUSLY, LIKE THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE GIVEN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY HIGH LEVEL. AGAIN, NO DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, IT'S KIND OF FRAMING THE TOPICS FOR FUTURE CONVERSATION, BUT ABSOLUTELY.

WE CAN LOOK AT HOW TO DOCUMENT THOSE -- >> WALSH: YEAH, AND MAYBE MORE USEFUL THAN MINUTES WOULD BE KIND OF AN AFTER ACTION REPORT TO THE REST

OF THE COUNCIL. >> MUNGIA: I THINK JUST SO PEOPLE CAN KEEP TRACK, THOSE OF US THAT ARE NOT ON THERE, I TRUST MY COLLEAGUES THERE AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO FANTASTIC, BUT JUST SO WE'RE KIND OF UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. WE ALWAYS WANT TO THROW IN OUR OWN OPINION, RIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL FOR US.

>> MILLER: SURE. >> MUNGIA: THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU, SHANNON, FOR THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE DOING THIS WORK , ARE YOU IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED TO COMPLETE THIS ENTERTAINMENT

DISTRICT? >> MILLER: WELL, I WOULD SAY WE ARE.

I MEAN, COLLECTIVELY, OBVIOUSLY, IT WON'T -- IT WON'T BE UP TO ME, AND I

THINK JOHN WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT, TOO. >> YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PREVIOUS LIST THAT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL, WE'RE WORKING TO REFINE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC PROJECT IN MIND THAT YOU WANT TO

TALK ABOUT. >> MUNGIA: NO, AND -- YOU SAID YOU DEVELOPED -- WHEN WAS THAT LIST PRESENTED, I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF

MY HEAD. >> I'D HAVE TO ALSO REMEUND MYSELF, BUT WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN WAS PRESENTED AS A PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT, I

DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE. >> WALSH: IT WAS EARLY

JUNE LAST YEAR. >> THERE YOU GO. OKAY.

>> MUNGIA: EARLY JUNE OF LAST YEAR. >> YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ON

COUNCIL. >> MUNGIA: YEAH, I WAS HERE FOR THAT.

SO MAYBE YOU COULD SEND IT TO THE TOP OF MY INBOX AGAIN SO I CAN SEE.

I'M SURE YOU'RE REFINING THAT AS YOU GO ALONG, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY NOTES ABOUT THAT OR IF THERE'S BEEN ANY UPDATES SINCE THEN, I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. AND I THINK MAYBE, JOHN, YOU'LL KNOW WHEN WE'LL

HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. >> I THINK THAT'S HEADED TO YOU IN THE AUGUST/SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME AS WELL.

>> MUNGIA: SO AUGUST/SEPTEMBER WE'LL PROBABLY GET A BETTER SENSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.

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>> MUNGIA: OKAY. GOOD. THANK YOU.

YEAH, AND I SAW THIS, I THINK THIS IS REALLY GREAT THAT VIA PUT OUT.

SHANNON, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S SHARING IN THE GROUP OR WHAT'S THE -- I GUESS THIS IS A GOOD DOCUMENT, BUT I GUESS WHO'S THE AUDIENCE

FOR THIS? >> MILLER: SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A DOCUMENT THAT VIA PRODUCED AND I BELIEVE SOMEONE FROM VIA IS IN THE AUDIENCE.

YES? IF YOU WANT TO CALL -- HAVE THEM.

>> MUNGIA: IT'S OKAY. JONATHAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, I WON'T CALL YOU UP. THIS IS REALLY NICE AND HELPFUL, I THINK THAT'S REALLY COOL WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING. AND I GUESS MY OTHER NOTE WOULD BE WE WOULD LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK, FOR SOME OF THE OTHER WORK HAPPENING ACROSS TOWN. I THINK THIS IS GOOD FOR NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THAT, SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S SOUTH-SIDE SPECIFIC OR WEST SIDE FOR MY COLLEAGUES OR EAST SIDE, I THINK -- OR NORTHBOUND SIDE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO SEE THE DIFFERENT WAYS PEOPLE CAN COMMUTE IN THEIR AREA. THANK YOU, SHANNON, APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. .

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER VIAGRAN?

>> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU. I WANT TO THANK THE TEAM FOR THIS THOUGHTFUL PROCESS ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA, AND I THINK WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP, IT REALLY WAS WHO WANTS TO MEET ON SATURDAYS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY WANTING TO BE A PART OF IT, BECAUSE OF MY ROLE ON VISIT SAN ANTONIO, THE FACT THAT I WORKED THERE, THE FACT THAT WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED TO US BEFORE MANY OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES GOT HERE, THERE WERE THINGS WHERE I WAS LIKE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF "LIKE TO HAVES" AND "NEED TO HAVES." SO I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT WE'RE IN THIS PROCESS, THAT WE'RE NOT REPEATING -- THAT IF VIA'S DONE A STUDY OR IF SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST HAS DONE A STUDY OR OPPORTUNITY HOMES HAS DONE A STUDY OR CENTRO HAS DONE A STUDY, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING BACK AND DOING OUR OWN STUDY, BUT WE'RE ASKING WHAT MATERIALS THEY HAVE, WHAT QUESTIONS THEY ASK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE WORKING GROUP AND WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE NEED TO ASK IN OUR FORTHCOMING STUDIES AND PROCEDURES, SO, SHANNON, AND JOHN AND ALL THOSE THAT ARE PARTICIPATING, AND MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES THAT ARE THERE, I THINK IT IS TRULY A WORKING GROUP, WE DO WORK, AND I THINK AN AFTER ACTION ROACTION REPORT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ENCOURAGE MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES THAT AREN'T THERE, CALL UP VIA, CALL UP TRISH AT CENTRO, CALL UP OPPORTUNITY HOMES AND MEET WITH THEM, AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR WWHAT'S COMING NEXT. MAYOR, REGARDING THE -- I THINK ONE THING I'M GOING TO TASK WITH, AS YOU BROUGHT UP THE HOTEL, IS REALLY GETTING SCOTT JOSHLOVE, MICHELLE MAN SON AND OUR HOTEL LODGING ASSOCIATION TO GET YOU THE INFORMATION YOU NEED ABOUT IT. BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW NATIONWIDE WHAT OUR HOTELS ARE SEEING IS THAT BITE THAT AIR AIRBNBS ARE MAKING IN THE CONFERENCE, AND ERIK KNOWS THERE, WHEN THEY BROUGHT THE HOTEL IDEA AND IT WITH US SUPPOSED TO BE A -- WHAT WAS IT CALLED A TEACHING -- LIKE WHERE WE HAD HOSPITALITY SCHOOL, I WAS ALWAYS IFFY BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO BRING A HOSPITALITY HOTEL. I WANT A FIRST RATE HOTEL AND I THINK THE TREND WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS BOUTIQUE AND FOUR STAR. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD A LOT OF IN EUROPE, TOO. FOUR STAR, WE CALL IT LUXURY AND OVERSEA THEY CALL IT FOUR STAR, SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE A LOT OF CONVERSATION, AND IF WE COULD GET A BREAKDOWN OR POSSIBLY A PRESENTATION ON THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT. I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT HOW THIS CAME TO FRUITION, WE UNDERSTOOD NOT JUST THAT THE SPURS WERE LOOKING FOR A NEW FACILITY, BUT WE HAD HAD VERY SUCCESSFUL FINAL FOURS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA OVER, I THINK, TWO DECADES.

AND WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WAS THIS ABILITY TO BRING A SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT DOWNTOWN AND TO ACTIVATE THE WALKABILITY DOWNTOWN. NOW, WHILE I LOVE THE IDEA OF WALKING AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO WALK, I DO WANT US TO BE CONSIDERATE THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES AND NOT EXCLUDE THEM FROM THE PARTICIPATION. SO I WOULD -- WE ARE STILL GOING TO NEED TO HAVE TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES THAT WANT TO GET TO THE GAME, THAT WANT TO GET TO AN ALAMO ACTIVITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE THOUGHTFUL, AND I THINK THESE NEXT FEW STEPS THAT WE'RE TAKING IN TERMS OF HOW WE DO MOBILITY, HOW WE ASK PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO WALK FROM THE ALAMODOME DOWN TO MARKET SQUARE WITH STOPS AND HIGHLIGHTS IN BETWEEN IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND A MOBILITY WAY TO GET US -- IF YOU HAVE A CONCERT AT THE FROST BANK

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THE OTHER THING IS, I DO THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GETTING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND SHARING, I THINK, YES, YOU CAN DO A VIRTUAL TOWN HALL OR A VIRTUAL MEETING, BUT WHAT I PREFER AND THIS IS WHAT LORI AND THE TEAM DID INITIALLY, IS COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

BECAUSE EVERY TIME LORI WOULD DO THAT PRESENTATION AND THE ALAMODOME LOOKED LIKE IT HAD A RETRACTABLE ROOF, I WOULD SAY, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A RETRACTABLE ROOF. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS.

AND MY RESIDENTS WANT TO SEE YOU, SO I KNOW I WILL BE INVITING YOU TO THE BEST PRACTICES THING THAT WE HAVE AS AN OFFER FOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS MY OFFICE SPACE WHERE YOU CAN COME AND MEET WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK CONTINUE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A FULL LIST OF WHAT QUESTIONS VIA ASKED REGARDING THEIR STUDY, WHAT DO WE ASK IN THIS NEXT ROUND AS WE LOOK AT MOBILITY AND WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE PEOPLE IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN.

SO THE HOUSING ISSUE, THOUGH, AND YOU ALL KNOW THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE HAPPENING AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING THAT THE WORKING GROUP CONTINUES TO TALK ABOUT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS IT AS A WHOLE COUNCIL CITYWIDE. SO THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND ALL THE HARD WORK. THANKS.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MEZA

GONZALEZ? >> GONZALEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

I'M GLAD THAT -- TO SEE THE PRESENTATION ON THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP, IT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL TO BE IN THAT GROUP AND NOT SO CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN DISTRICT EIGHT ISN'T CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, BUT A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING DOWNTOWN ON A REGULAR BASIS, SO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A VOICE THERE TO TAKE BACK TO MY RESIDENTS, AND SO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THESE MEETINGS TOGETHER. A QUICK QUESTION ON THE CHILLED WATER PLANT.

I KNOW THAT WHAT WE'VE READ RECENTLY HAS NOT BEEN ACCURATE AND I APPRECIATE THE E-MAIL THAT WE GOT JUST CORRECTING SOME OF THAT, BUT WHAT IS, I GUESS, THE OP S OPTION FOR COOLING THE NEW SPACES --

OR THE DISTRICT? >> ELLIOTT: SO IN WORKING WITH SAWS WITH THE OPTION BEING DISCONTINUED OR NOT BEING LOOKED AT FOR MOVING THE CENTRAL PLANT, AS THEY BUILD OUT THE DISTRICT AND AS WE LOOK AT THE NEEDS TO SUPPORT THE DISTRICT, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS TO SUPPORT THE COOLING FOR AN ARENA OR THE NEEDS FOR SUPPORTING AN EXPANSION, THEN SAWS WILL GO BACK, WORKING WITH THEIR CONSULTANT JACOBS TO ACTUALLY DESIGN WHAT THEY NEED IN TERMS OF SATELLITE FACILITIES OR EXPANSION OF THE CURRENT FACILITIES.

>> GONZALEZ: THANK YOU. ON THE JUNE 25TH AND 27 WORKSHOPS, HOW DO -- HOW DOES -- HOW DOES THAT GET FED INTO THE PARKING CONSULTANT'S DEMAND

MODELING? >> MILLER: THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT QUESTION, AND IT IS -- KIND OF LEADS TO SOMETHING I MEANT TO MENTION EARLIER. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD FROM SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS, LIKE, A LITTLE BIT OF -- ALMOST FATIGUE OR CONFUSION ABOUT, LIKE, I'M INVITED TO THIS MEETING ABOUT THIS AND THIS MEETING ABOUT THIS.

SO PART OF OUR EFFORTS AROUND ALL OF THESE STUDIES IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING. SO AS -- FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES WORKSHOPS, VIA IS ALSO INVOLVED, SO THEY CAN SPEAK TO THEIR PLANNING AROUND THE GREEN AND SILVER LINES, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CONFUSING FOR THE PUBLIC IF WE HAD SEPARATE MEETINGS. AND THE MOBILITY CONSULTANTS WILL ALSO BE ENGAGED IN THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS SO THAT THEY'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT DO IS TO HAVE CITIZENS WHO COME TO A MEETING, FEEL LIKE THEY SAID THIS LAST WEEK IN A DIFFERENT MEETING AND DON'T FEEL LIKE WE LISTENED. AND SO WE'RE REALLY WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING ALL THESE EFFORTS AND THEY'RE INFORMING EACH

OTHER. >> GONZALEZ: AND THEN IF YOU CAN SHARE -- I MEAN,

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>> MILLER: WE ABSOLUTELY CAN DO THAT. >> GONZALEZ: YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US. I THINK SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE MENTIONED, JUST HOW DO WE SHARE THIS WITH OUR RESIDENTS, RIGHT? AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT RESIDENTS ARE SAYING, WE'RE -- ARE REFLECTED IN THE PROJECT, RIGHT? THAT FOLKS CAN REALLY NOT JUST SHOW UP TO A WORKSHOP, BUT SEE THAT

WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS GOING INTO THE PROJECT. >> MILLER: WELL, AND I WOULD ADD THAT ALSO THERE WILL BE MORE COMMUNITY INPUT IN AUGUST, SO THERE WILL BE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THEM INITIALLY AND THEN WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT PRIOR TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL HELP INFORM ULTIMATELY WHAT COMES BACK TO YOU ALL IN SEPTEMBER.

>> GONZALEZ: OKAY. THANK YOU. ON SLIDE 3, RELATED TO THE EPM, ARE THERE ANY -- THE LAST BULLET POINT ON PROMOTING LOCAL

PARTICIPATION, HOW ARE WE MEASURING THAT? >> MILLER: WELL, SO WHERE WE -- YEAH. WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS IS REALLY HAVING THOSE -- DOING THAT INITIAL OUTREACH SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MEANINGFUL PARTICIPATION, AND I THINK ALEX WILL ADD TO

THIS. >> LOPEZ: YES, IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE PROCESSES THAT WE GO THROUGH WITH OUR POLICIES ASSOCIATED WITH EACH SPECIFIC PROJECT. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL IN MAKING SURE THAT WE DO THE BROAD, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT'S COMING, HERE'S WHAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE AVAILABLE, AND AS WE GO PROJECT BY PROJECT, SETTING THE GOALS WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND

SOLICITATIONS. >> GONZALEZ: DO THOSE GOALS COME BACK TO US FOR

FINAL REVIEW OR -- >> LOPEZ: WE'RE GOING TO BE FOLLOWING OUR STIP CAL PROCESS WHERE STAFF SETS THEM. YOU'LL BE MADE AWARE OF WHAT THOSE GOALS WILL BE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.

>> WALSH: COUNCILWOMAN, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT THESE TYPES OF SOLICITATIONS WILL BE HIGH PROFILE, SO WE WOULD BE DOING PRESOLICITATION BRIEFINGS TO YOU ALL WHERE WE WOULD LAY ALL THAT OUT, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU

ALL ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES TO INCLUDE THAT. >> GONZALEZ: OKAY.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON REALISTIC OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE, RIGHT, AND THERE'S VALUE IN WORKSHOPS AND TOWN HALLS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK HOW DO WE BRING THOSE LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES ALONG FOR THE WHOLE RIDE, RIGHT, TO BE PART OF THE PLANNING AND -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, EVEN AS FAR AS OUR PRESENTATIONS, I WOULD HAVE REALLY APPRECIATED JUST THE WORD "SMALL BUSINESS" LITERALLY IN THAT LAST BULLET POINT, EPM HAS COORDINATED WITH THE CITY TO MEET WITH INDUSTRY GROUPS, INCLUDING CHAMBERS AND PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.

AND I REALLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE INCLUDING CHAMBERS, SMALL BUSINESSES AND PROFESSIONAL -- I MEAN, AS SIMPLE AS JUST INCLUDING THEM IN OUR PRESENTATIONS, I THINK, IS -- WE'VE GOT TO SHOW THAT WE ARE INCLUDING THEM IN THIS PROCESS AT THE MOST BASIC LEVEL.

>> LOPEZ: ABSOLUTELY. >> GONZALEZ: SO THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND -- THERE'S THE WORD "DASHBOARD" ON EVERY BULLET POINT OF THE EPM'S SLIDE AND WE NEED THE DASHBOARD, IT'S A HUGE PROJECT, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT TAKING A DASHBOARD BACK TO RESIDENTS IS A HARD SELL SOMETIMES, SO I JUST -- HOW WE CAN SIMPLIFY THAT FOR THEM IS IMPORTANT. AND SO THE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SMALL BUSINESSES, WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? IS THAT KIND OF JOINT VENTURE ASSISTANCE, IS THAT BONDING?

>> LOPEZ: IT'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT WE CAN USE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROJECT IS REQUIRING. AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE VERY INTENTIONAL. AND I THINK AS FAR AS THE BULLET IS CONCERNED, THE INTENTION IS ABSOLUTELY TO ENGAGE ANY SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE INTERESTED AND AVAILABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK. WHAT WE DO THROUGH OUR PROCESS IS MAKE SURE THAT WE BREAK IT APART SO THAT WE TRULY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT AND WHO ARE THE BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DO THIS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THEM AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO PARTICIPATE THROUGH THE VARIOUS TOOLS

THAT WE CAN APPLY THROUGH THE SOLICITATIONS. >> GONZALEZ: OKAY.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THOSE ARE ALL MY

COMMENTS FOR NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK

YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS? >> SPEARS: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO -- THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I'M GLAD THAT YOU HAD BEEN TALKING TO TXDOT. I MET WITH TXDOT YESTERDAY, OUR COMMISSIONER FOR TXDOT, AND HE HAS A SAYING HE LIKES TO USE, AND HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 30 MILLION PEOPLE IN TEXAS, AND 25 MILLION OF THEM HAVE REGISTERED VEHICLES.

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IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT THE BIG EVENT, IT'S ABOUT, HEY, I WANT TO VISIT THE LOCAL RESTAURANT AT THE DISTRICT, BUT I'VE GOT TO PAY $50 FOR PARKING AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MEETING FRIENDS AND SO THEY'RE ASKING, TOO, ABOUT A RESIDENT RATE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD BE LOOKING AT, BUT THERE DEFINITELY IS A NEED FOR PARKING.

THAT BEING SAID, WE DO NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE'RE MOVING PEOPLE IN AND AROUND, BECAUSE THAT CAN MAKE OR BREAK THE WHOLE THING, IF YOU CAN'T GET THERE. I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN IT ALREADY WITH PROBLEMS AT THE ALAMODOME. SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT TXDOT'S INCLUDED.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTFUL WITHIN THE MPO AND THE UTP AS IT'S ROLLING OUT AS WELL, AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY THINKING ABOUT TXDOT'S ROLE IN ALL OF THIS. ON THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, I -- I THOUGHT, LIKE THE MAYOR THOUGHT, THAT THE HOTEL WAS GOING TO BE AN IMPACTFUL PART OF THE EXPANSION WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER.

ARE WE IN A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD REVISIT THAT LATER SHOULD THAT BECOME PART OF THE STUDY OR FALL OUT IN THE STUDY THAT, IN FACT, WE DO NEED MORE

CAPACITY? >> WALSH: COUNCILWOMAN, WHEN WE -- WHEN WE BRING THE FEASIBILITY OF THE CONVENTION CENTER BACK TO YOU ALL IN SEPTEMBER, THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT ISSUES. WE WERE -- AND IT WASN'T THAT THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH HOTEL ROOMS, IT WAS WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS ENOUGH -- AND THIS IS ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS ISSUE CAME UP, WAS THERE ENOUGH BLOCKS OF ROOMS WHERE BIG GROUPS CAN COME IN AND THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS IN ADVANCE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT 200 ROOMS OR WHATEVER.

THE CAPACITY IS NOT NECESSARILY BEING DRIVEN BY THE UTILIZATION OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. SO WE CAN -- I THINK AT SOME POINT, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, IT COULD POSSIBLY COME BACK. OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK IF WE'RE LOOKING OUT OVER THE NEXT FIVE, 10, 15, 20 YEARS, IT PROBABLY COULDN'T GO TO THE CHILLED WATER PLANT AREA BECAUSE THOSE COSTS THAT SAWS IDENTIFIED ARE JUST GOING TO GO UP, AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S EVER GOING TO BE FEASIBLE BASED ON THE COST THAT THEY DETERMINED, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT BEFORE US. AND PART OF THAT MIGHT BE DICTATED BY THE MARKET ITSELF IN TERMS OF CONTINUED GROWTH OF THAT

CORNER DOWNTOWN. >> SPEARS: OKAY. ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE MOBILITY FEASIBILITY STUDY, I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION HERE, REALLY HIGH LEVEL TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION. MAYBE WE'RE NOT USING IT ALL OVER THE CITY, BUT WE MAY NEED IT HERE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF ADVANCEMENT HERE THAT HAS COME TO MY -- THAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT RECENTLY, AND I -- AUDIO] -- PROGRAM POTENTIALLY EVEN, LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, JUST HAVING EYES IN THE SKY TYPE REAL INTEGRATED TECHNOLOGY.

I WAS WONDERING, TOO, ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, AND THEN ALSO THE CREWS THAT ARE WORKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION, DO WE HAVE A PLAN FOR -- ARE WE ADDRESSING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PARK WHILE WE'RE

TRYING TO DO ALL OF THIS? >> WALSH: WE WILL NEED TO EVENTUALLY, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE TOO PREMATURE IN OUR PLANNING.

>> SPEARS: BUT IT'S PART OF THE -- >> WALSH: IT WOULD HAVE TO BE -- YEAH, JUST LIKE AT THE AIRPORT, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A PARKING PLAN FOR FIVE OR 600 CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, UH-HUH.

>> SPEARS: YEAH. I WILL SAY THIS, TOO: I FEEL WE HAVE EVERYTHING HAPPENING IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, BUDGET, ALL OF THIS IS COMING BACK, BONDS HAPPENING. I FEEL ALL OF THESE ARE SO IMPORTANT AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE EACH OF THESE THE ATTENTION THAT THEY DESERVE, SO I'M JUST SHARING THAT I THINK LET'S BE PRAGMATIC AND THOGTHOUGHTFUL ABOUT ALL THIS INFORMATION IS COMING TO ALL OF US, EVERYONE THAT WE INVOLVE FROM OUR COMMUNITIES. YOU TALKED ABOUT FATIGUE A MINUTE AGO, WE ARE PRETTY RESILIENT, WE'RE USED TO IT TO SOME

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I DON'T WANT TO DO ANY OF THIS," YOU KNOW? BUT ALSO FOR OUR SAKES, WE REALLY WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB. THIS IS REALLY -- I KNOW ALL OF US DO, AND WE NEED TIME TO STUDY THESE THINGS AND STUDY THEM, NOT JUST GET IT AND KIND OF GO, OH, OKAY, I'VE GOT TO LEARN THIS IN A WEEK.

I'M DATA DRIVEN, I LIKE TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS IN DEPTH, SO TO THE EXTENT WE CAN EASE THAT IN ANY WAY, WE NEED TO REALLY BE THINKING ABOUT THE TIMELINE AS A WHOLE FOR ALL OF US, BECAUSE I KNOW THE DESIRE OF EVERY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES IS THAT WE DO A GOOD JOB FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR, SO... I JUST WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH

THAT ONE PIECE. BUT... THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK

YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CASTILLO? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU, SHANNON, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHTED THE WORK OF THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP AND IT'S BEEN VERY VALUABLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IDENTIFYING WHAT CURRENT ASSETS DO WE HAVE, WHICH PROBABIPROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PIPELINE AND I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING COMPONENT AND THROUGH THE HOUSING TRUST, DR. KAUR REQUESTED SOME WORKFORCE DATA WHICH HIGHLIGHTED WHETHER YOU'RE A BUSKER, A NURSE, OR A CITY OF SAN ANTONIO EMPLOYEE, HOW MANY UNITS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE BASED OFF OF THAT WORKFORCE INCOME, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SERVE IDEALLY AS A MODEL OF WHAT ARE THE GAPS OF DOWNTOWN HOUSING, AND THEN, OF COURSE, RIGHT, WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS, THE HOUSING TRUST AND OPPORTUNITY HOME TO SEE WHAT ARE THEIR PLANS WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY AND/OR DOWNTOWN TO HELP MEET THOSE NEEDS AND PRESERVE OUR EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT PARKING EXISTS AND WHAT IS SOME OF THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT IN TERMS OF ACCESSIBILITY TO THOSE PARKING SPOTS.

OF COURSE, WE KNOW PARKING IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD, AND, OF COURSE, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE HOUSING IN PLACE OF A PARKING GARAGE, SO VERY VALUABLE CONVERSATIONS BUT ALSO WANTED TO EMPHASIZE WHAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SHARED IN TERMS OF THERE'S NO POLICY MAKING TAKING PLACE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP. I'M GRATEFUL THAT THERE ARE FIVE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES ON THAT WORKING GROUP THAT REPRESENT ROUGHLY 140,000 CONSTITUENTS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE BEING TRANSPARENT AND SHARING THAT INFORMATION ON BEHALF OF OUR CONSTITUENCIES. AGAIN, WITHIN THE HOUSING COMPONENT, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION ON PROJECT [INDISCERNIBLE] CATTLEMAN SCARE PROJECT, REENVISIONING PROCESS WHICH IS VERY COMMUNITY DRIVEN IN THAT WE HAVE COMMUNITY AMBASSADORS TO HELP SHAPE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WITHIN THE WEST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN AND THEN ALSO IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE COMPONENT AND RELATIONSHIP WITH CORAZON MINISTRIES IN HARM REDUCTION AND OUTREACH IN CONNECTING UNHOUSED TO SERVICES AND IDEALLY PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, AND JUST WANTED TO CONNECT THOSE DOTS BECAUSE I THINK IT GOES BACK TO, LIKE, THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE ON THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL, ESPECIALLY WITH CORAZON AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THIS LARGER DOWNTOWN REENVISIONING PROCESS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF VALUE, RIGHT, WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A REALLY GOOD EXERCISE, AND IF THERE'S A VALUE, I THINK, IN SEEING WITH THIS REISN'T SEASON TO SEE WHAT -- RECENT SEASON TO SEE WHAT WERE HOTEL OCCUPANCIES AT AND ALSO WHAT WERE THE PARKING CAPACITIES AND/OR ISSUES WE SAW WITH THIS MOST E RECENT SEASON AND THE INFLUX OF NEW YORK PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN. ALSO I WANTED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT THAT COUNCILMEMBER MEZA GONZALEZ MENTIONED ENCOURAGING SMALL BUSINESSES, I'M ENCOURAGED THAT'S GOING TO BE THE INTENT AND GOAL, PLAN TO INCLUDE SMALL BUSINESSES AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF ONGOING PROCESSES. I DO BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE VALUE AND I WOULD LIKE TO TASK THE EXECUTIVE PROJECT MANAGER FOR BEING THE FACILITATOR OF FOR MANY OF THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I DO BELIEVE THERE'S VALUE, ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENTS, EXPECTATIONS WITH CONTRACTORS, EXPECTATIONS WITH INCLUDING SMALL BUSINESSES WITHIN THE LARGER PROJECT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM TASKED WITH THE FACILITATION OF THOSE MEETINGS, BECAUSE, AGAIN, IF THEY ARE MANAGING THE PROJECT, I THINK IT'S BEST THAT THEY'RE THE ONES HEARING AS WELL FROM OUR CONSTITUENCIES WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE OF THIS PROJECT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I DID RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM STEVE [INDISCERNIBLE] DISTRICT TWO RESIDENT VERY ENGAGED, COMES TO PUBLIC COMMENT OFTEN AND I REALLY APPRECIATED HIS FRAMING IN TERMS OF, WELL, THE PUBLIC AREN'T NECESSARILY INVESTORS IN A HOTEL, A PARKING GARAGE, A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR A STADIUM, BY PROXY AND BEING A TAXPAYER, THEY ARE FINANCIAL STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS LARGER REDEVELOPMENT, SO, AGAIN,

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IT'S AN ORGANIC APPOINTMENT PROCESS, SO THAT WAY IT REMOVES WHAT FOLKS MAY PERCEIVE AS A POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OR HAND PICKING FOLKS TO SERVE ON AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN EXPLORING WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE ON A TIMELINE IN WHICH WE'LL BE RECEIVING POTENTIAL UPDATES ON INFRASTRUCTURE SOON AND THEN, OF COURSE, IT'S MOVING ALONG. AND IDENTIFYING FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE THAT HAVE THE TIME TO SERVE CAN BE A BARRIER, BUT I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN EXPLORING WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE FEDERAL PROPERTY AND THIS WAS A QUESTION SUBMITTED BY A CONSTITUENT SO I WANTED TO ASK THAT ON THEIR BEHALF, RIGHT? SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WERE CURIOUS IN TERMS OF THE FEDERAL PROPERTY, CAN YOU REMIND US WIS THIS TRANSACTION, ONCE OO COMPLETE OF COURSE, AND I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN CLOSED ON YET, BUT WHO WOULD CONTROL THE LAND AND WHO WOULD CAPTURE ANY APPRECIATION OF THE PROPERTY? SO THEIR QUESTION IS, WHO WOULD CONTROL THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS WITHIN THIS PROPERTY ONCE ACQUIRED?

>> ONCE WE ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY, WHICH AS YOU MENTIONED WILL BE DURING THE SUMMER, IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, THE CITY WILL OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT THEN THE SPURS EVENTUALLY THROUGH -- AS PART OF THE DISTRICT PROCESS, WOULD HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR THE PROPERTY.

>> CASTILLO: I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. THAT WAS A QUESTION SUBMITTED BY JIM. IN ADDITION TO THAT, RIGHT, I APPRECIATE, ERIK AND SHANNON BOTH WALKING US THROUGH THE TIMELINE IN TERMS OF WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS, BECAUSE MY CONSTITUENTS ARE EAGER FOR US TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL WHICH OF COURSE HAS FAIR LABOR PRACTICES, FAIR WAGES, IET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND, AGAIN, IT'S NOT LOST ON ANY OF US THAT WE ARE NAVIGATING A BUDGE FUTURE BUDGET DEFICIT AND FOR ME OF US IN DISTRICT FIVE IN PARTICULAR, HOUR SCHOOLS ARE EXPERIENCING SCHOOL CLOSURES SO WHEN WE LOOK AT POTENTIALLY 211 MILLION IN FOREGONE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AND MORE, MY CONSTITUENTS AND I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS WE MOVE FORWARDS NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, I'M HOPEFUL THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE SPURS WOULD INCREASE THAT CONTRIBUTION TO THE PUBLIC, AGAIN, GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK AND COMMUNITY WORK THAT THE FOUNDATION DOES CURRENTLY DO, BUT RIGHT NOW OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE GOING TO BE FACED WITH POTENTIALLY A REDUCTION TO PARKS PROGRAMMING, DEPARTMENT AND HUMAN SERVICES PROGRAMMING, SO ON AND SO FORTH, SO WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING A RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT AS STEVE WOULD SAY. SO, AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S THAT ESPONSIBILITY AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL, AS A BODY -- RESIDENTS DESERVE, BUT, AGAIN, I'M EAGER FOR GETTING INTO THOSE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS AND CONVERSATIONS. NOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED IS THAT THE DASHBOARD MAYBE COME ONLINE AFTER THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN AGREED AND NEGOTIATED UPON.

IS THAT CORRECT, OR WOULD THE NEGOTIATIONS -- WOULD THE DASHBOARD GO LIVE AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THOSE DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS.

>> WALSH: COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IN SEPTEMBER WHEN WE COME BACK AND SHOW YOU KIND OF THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT DASHBOARD. I KNOW THE JANUARY TIMELINE THAT SHANNON'S TALKING ABOUT IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE BACK-END THINGS ARE CONNECTED, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S -- IT'S LESS IMPORTANT THAN MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE, EVEN IF IT'S STATIC INFORMATION, THAT WE MANUALLY UPDATE ON A PERIODIC BASIS OR WEEKLY OR MONTHLY BASIS. BUT WHEN WE COME BACK AT THE END OF THE SUMMER TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THAT DASHBOARD, I THINK WE'LL BE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW SOMETHING PUBLICLY IN ADVANCE.

>> CASTILLO: I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M EAGER TO SEE -- I'M THINKING ABOUT BUDGET AND BONDS AND WORKING OUR WAY BACKWARDS WITH MEANINGFUL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AND AS WE AS COUNCIL ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M WALKING IN ARMED WITH THE FEEDBACK OF CONSTITUENTS AND I THINK JUST PLANNING BACKWARDS IN TERMS OF -- I'D LIKE TO STRUCTURE COMMUNITY MEETINGS BEFORE WE GET TO THOSE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENT CONVERSATIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING ON AN ARTS ROUND TABLE TO WORK WITH SAN ANTONIO ARTISTS TO HEAR WHAT THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE WITH THE DOWNTOWN REDEVELOPMENT. WHAT ARE PAST PROJECTS THAT THEY FEEL THAT THERE WAS MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO BE INCLUDED IN REDEVELOPMENT AND REENVISIONING, SO, AGAIN, RIGHT, THAT WAY WEA CAN PLAN AHEAD WITH THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND I'D LIKE TO INVEET MY COLLEAGUES TO ATTEND THAT ROUND TABLE IF YOU OR YOUR TEAM MEMBERS ARE

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>> WALSH: MAYOR, JUST -- COUNCILWOMAN, WHEN IS THAT MEETING YOU'RE DESCRIBING, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE CRYSTAL AND SHANNON AND MAYBE THE EPM

THERE. >> CASTILLO: YES. I SHARED THAT WITH CRYSTAL, IT'S IN A COUPLE WEEKS ESSENTIALLY A ROUND TABLE WITH OUR ARTS COMMUNITY TO HEAR THEIR EXPECTATIONS WITH PROJECT MARVEL.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN

MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WAS FINISHING UP MY THOUGHTS AND ADDING THINGS AS FOLK WERE TALKING SO IT KEPT REORIENTING WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. SO LAST MEETING I WAS FRUSTRATED THAT THERE WASN'T MUCH SUBSTANCE IN THE BRIEFING OUTSIDE OF THE SAME CALENDAR THAT WE HAVE SEEN ALL YEAR. AND SO THERE WAS THIS IDEA THAT, OH, CITY COUNCIL IS DELAYING THIS PRESENTATION ON PROJECT MARVEL AND THEY'RE HIDING ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT'S COMING. THE REALITY IS I WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THAT PRESENTATION IN A MINUTE. AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE DID RECEIVE MADE UP THE BULK OF THE SLIDES AND THAT WAS THE PRESENTATION ON THE CONTRACTS THAT WERE APPROVED THAT WOULD DON'T HAVE THESE CONSULTANTS IN PLACE WE'RE RELYING ON STAFF TO JUGGLE ALL OF THIS FROM START TO FINISH, IN ADDITION TO THEIR REGULAR WORKLOAD.

AND SO I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THAT EVEN THIS PRESENTATION THAT WAS RECEIVED IS NOT VERY ENLIGHTENING. THE ELECTION FOR THE COUNTY'S PORTION OF FUNDING WAS HELD IN NOVEMBER AND NARROWLY PASSED. MANY PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT WAS THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT THE ARENA WAS GOING TO NEED IN ORDER TO CLEAR AND THERE WAS A LOT OF HURRY, HURRY, HURRY. WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS TERM SHEET. THE VOTE NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW AND NOW THERE'S NOT MUCH NEW INFORMATION TO SHARE. AND SO I FIND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE RUSH WAS FOR THE SPURS' PEACE OF MIND. THEY WANTED TO KNOW AND LOCK IN THIS WAS APPROVED BY FUNDERS SO I CAN -- OR BY THE VOTERS. HOWEVER MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS APPROVED. NOW THAT MONEY IS SECURED AND LITTLE ELSE HAS HAPPENED ON OUR END. SO ERIK, I WILL ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS.

WHERE ARE WE AT IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE SPURS? >> WALSH: WE'VE NOT BEGUN.

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE HAVE NOT BEGUN. >> WALSH: NO, SIR.

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO ALL WE HAVE IS A NON-BINDING TERM SHEET AND NEGOTIATIONS HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE AT ALL. WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR SO WE CAN START?

>> WALSH: I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE RESULTS OF THE DISTRICT COSTS AND REVENUE STUDY THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED ON MAY 7. WE WILL HAVE THAT AT THE END OF THE SUMMER. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE FOR US TO HAVE.

IT'S NOT THE ONLY IMPORTANT PIECE FOR US TO HAVE BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE TO ENSURE ANY REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE DISTRICT ITSELF, WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE. AND ANY COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH EVENTS OR GAMES OR CONCERTS OR WHATEVER ARE BORN BY THOSE EVENTS, JUST LIKE AT THE ALAMODOME AND THE CONVENTION CENTER. WE NEED THAT INFORMATION IN OUR HANDS.

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AS IT RELATES TO THE SPURS' ARENA, WHICH IS A SINGULAR COMPONENT OF PROJECT MARVEL. WHEN NEGOTIATIONS ARE READY TO BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE AN OPEN MEETING IN WHICH STAFF LAYS OUT THE TIMELINE FOR NEGOTIATIONS AND REVIEW OF THE EXISTING TERMS AND MOU. AND THAT WE LAY OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN PUBLIC SESSION WHAT OUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS.

I UNDERSTAND THE NEGOTIATIONS THEMSELVES, THEY DON'T HAPPEN IN -- WE'RE NOT CALLING THE SPURS UP AND NEGOTIATING IN AN OPEN MEETING.

I DO WANT AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO CONVEY AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS BEGIN.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? >> WALSH: YES, SIR. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. OTHER PROJECTS, INCLUDING -- NOW PUTTING THE SPURS' ARENA ASIDE, INCLUDING THE ALAMODOME, LAND BRIDGE, THOSE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF CONCEPTUALIZATION. NONE OF THESE WERE FULLY DESIGNED, SHOVEL-READY

PROJECTS. >> M.>> WALSH: CORRECT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE WE WOULD BE KNOWING WHERE WE WERE GOING TO GET MONEY FOR EACH

OF THESE PROJECTS. >> WALSH: WE KNOW HOW WE WILL POTENTIALLY FUND THE CONVENTION CENTER. IT WOULD BE THROUGH THE USE OF PFZS AND OUR OWN HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. PART OF THIS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE TIME TO DO OUR HOMEWORK IN TERMS OF STUFF THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO. AND THAT'S THE TIMELINE

WE'RE ON. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THE BROADER POINT I'M GETTING AT IS IF PEOPLE ARE NOT RECEIVING INFORMATION IN A WAY THAT THEY DEEM TIMELY AND THEY FEEL AS THOUGH -- AGAIN, THERE WAS THIS RUSH, RUSH, RUSH, HURRY, HURRY,

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THE HOTEL, THE WATER, THOSE THINGS, PEOPLE START WANTING TO MAKE NEWS FOR THEMSELVES.

>> WALSH: CORRECT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO WE WANT TO AVOID THAT BY AS MUCH TIMELY FEEDBACK AS WE CAN. ALL OF THIS WAS THE CONCEPT OF A PLAN -- THE CONCEPT OF A PLAN. ALSO GETTING SPECIFICALLY TO THE WATER PLAN. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE SAWS WATER PLANT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THE STAFF HAD IDENTIFIED BUT ONE THAT, TO ME, WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO UNDERTAKE. I FELT LIKE THERE WAS LITTLE PUBLIC INTEREST IN IT ANYWAY. I NEVER ACCOUNTED FOR THE WATER PLANT.

I DO RECALL YOU SAYING THAT IF IT WASN'T FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT TO US. THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK AS NEWS BREAKS ABOUT THE MONEY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HOTEL WAS GOING TO GENERATE WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP FUND THE ARENA AND THE BROADER PROJECT PLAN. I WOULD THEN ASK WHY WOULD ERIK OR A MEMBER OF STAFF, ANY OF THE EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY, WHY WOULD THEY BAKE IN PROJECTIONS FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS EXPENSIVE. WE KNEW THAT WAS GOING TO BE SUPER EXPENSIVE AND WE KNEW IT WAS ALSO NOT BEING VIEWED PUBLICLY VERY FAVORABLY. SO WHY WOULD STAFF DO THAT?

I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I WANT YOU TO SAY IT. >> WALSH: WELL, BECAUSE

THAT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO YOU

WOULDN'T DO IT. >> WALSH: NO, WE WOULD NOT DO IT.

I MEAN, WE'RE CONSERVATIVE BY NATURE ANYWAY. TO YOUR POINT, IT WAS A CONCEPT THAT WE WERE RUNNING DOWN. AS WE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND THE WORK THAT SAWS WAS DOING, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE.

AND IT'S NOT THE MAIN PRIORITY. IT WAS AN ISSUE OF CAN WE TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR CONVENTION CENTER THAT IS OLD AND HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1969. AND THERE'S GOT TO BE A HIGHER AND BETTER USE OF THAT PROPERTY RIGHT OFF OF 37 IN BETWEEN MARKET AND COMMERCE AND CAN WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH IT. THAT'S WHERE THE CONCEPT HAPPENED. THERE'S 15,000 HOTEL ROOMS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. THERE'S PLENTY OF HOTEL ROOMS AND WE HAD A J.W.

MARRIOTT COMING ON TO HOUSTON STREET AND WE HAD A HOTEL HERE.

WE DIDN'T ASSUME ANY OF THOSE THINGS. WE WOULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE CONSERVATIVE BY NATURE TO ENSURE WHATEVER WE DO WE CAN AFFORD AND WE CAN

MAINTAIN. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I ALSO ASKED THE QUESTION PREVIOUSLY -- THE FUNDING WAS NEVER MAKING SENSE TO ME IN THAT THERE WAS THIS IDEA THAT THE SPURS WERE GOING TO DEVELOP AND THAT THE DEVELOPMENTS THEY DID WERE GOING TO GENERATE FUNDING AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. SO MY QUESTION WAS ALWAYS WITH WHAT LAND? AND SO THE $30 MILLION THAT WE ACCEPTED FROM THE SPURS TO PURCHASE LAND THAT IS NOW CITY OWNED, THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO BE

DEVELOPING. >> WALSH: THAT'S A PART OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING. YEAH. THAT'S A PART OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING. THERE'S A LARGER FOOTPRINT.

SHANON SAID IN THE PRESENTATION, PART OF IT IS ON THE 13.5-ACRE SITE THAT WE WOULD ACQUIRE FROM U.T. SYSTEM. THEY, IN THE TERM SHEET THE COUNCIL APPROVED LAST YEAR, THEY ARE ALSO RESPONSIBLE AND OBLIGATED IN THE TERM SHEET TO THE CITY TO PAY US MARKET RATE FOR THE LEASE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DEVELOP ON. SO THAT'S AN ADDED PART OF THAT CONTRIBUTION THAT'S

BUILT INTO THAT TERM SHEET. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: TO CLOSE THE LOOP OR TO CLOSE THE UNDERSTANDING GAP ON THAT PIECE IS IN ORDER TO GENERATE THE FUNDING THAT'S NEEDED WITHIN THIS ZONE, THE TAX BASE, ALL OF THE BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. >> WALSH: NO, SIR.

IT WAS GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE CAPTURED PROPERTY TAX THROUGH THE TIRZ, THE ARENA LEASE -- BECAUSE THE CITY AND PRESUMABLY THE COUNTY -- THE PUBLIC SECTOR WOULD OWN THAT NBA ARENA.

AND THE LEASE OF THE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTY. THOSE WERE THE FOUR MAIN

REVENUE STREAMS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU.

MAYOR, IF I MAY, IF I COULD END THIS TIME AND START MY FIVE MINUTES, I COULD DO MY

SECOND ROUND. >> MAYOR JONES: THAT'S FINE.

>> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE WORKING GROUP BECAUSE I HAVE A THOUGHT OR SEVERAL THOUGHTS ON THIS. BUT THE DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP RIGHT NOW SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT. I ATTENDED MY FIRST MEETING LAST MONTH. WHAT IT READ LIKE TO ME WAS THAT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE CENTRO, VIA, THE HOUSING TRUST, OPPORTUNITY HOME , THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DOING OVERLAPPING WORK, AT LEAST GEOGRAPHICALLY, ARE NOT COORDINATING OR EVEN

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WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY UPDATES ON PROJECT MARVEL. WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THE ALAMODOME, CONVENTION CENTER, LAND BRIDGE, OTHER THAN AS PASSIVELY THESE THINGS COULD BE HERE AND WHERE IS THIS IN RELATION TO THIS PROJECT.

AND SO WE HEARD FROM THE HOUSING TRUST, WHAT DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THE PIPELINE WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT. VIA SHARED A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION THEY SHARED WITH US IN THEIR PRESENTATION, INCLUDING GREEN AND SILVER LINE AND HOW THOSE RUN THROUGH THIS FOOTPRINT. CENTRO WAS THERE AS A STAKEHOLDER. IT WAS NICE TO SEE THOSE THINGS ALL LINED UP BUT THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE IS -- AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILMEMBER SPEARS MADE ABOUT BEING PRAGMATIC IN THE WAY THE INFORMATION IS SHARED.

MAYBE I'M INTERPRETING IT DIFFERENTLY. BUT IF THERE'S NO NEW INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED PUBLICLY, EVEN DISCUSSING DOWNTOWN MAKES PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF SECRET UNDERGROUND GROUP CONSPIRING AND MASTER MINDING PROJECT MARVEL IN PRIVATE. UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO IMPROVE PUBLIC TRUST RELATED TO DOWNTOWN PLANNING, ANY MEETINGS WILL LIKELY BE MISCONSTRUED. WE CAN CANCEL THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING GROUPS -- FOR ALL I CARE, WE CAN CANCEL IT. WE CAN LIVESTREAM THE MEETINGS BUT IF -- I DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S AN OFFICIAL MEETING AND LIVESTREAMING COMES WITH ITS OWN COSTS AND EXPECTATIONS AND IF PEOPLE ARE TUNING IN AND IF COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ IS NOT THERE, HE'S NOT DOING HIS JOB, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE HAPPENING AT THAT MEETING. I DON'T WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ALREADY EXIST. WE KNOW WE DO NEED TO COORDINATE BUT IT'S REALLY NOT -- I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S VERY HELPFUL RIGHT NOW. I DO RECALL A CCR THAT COUNCILMEMBER KAUR FILED CALLING FOR A COMMISSION TO OVERSEE THE SPENDING OF THE POTENTIAL $2 MILLION FROM THE YEAR FROM THE SPURS AS PART OF THE CBA.

I THINK THERE'S INTEREST IN EXPANDING A GROUP LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT MARVEL AS THEY PROGRESS. DO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE -- SORRY. IT'S BEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT CCRS AND PLACES. WHERE IS THAT CCR RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS OR WHERE ARE WE AT IN THINKING ABOUT THE DASHBOARD CCR, THE THIS THING, ALL OF THAT.

>> WALSH: THAT CCR THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO FROM COUNCILMEMBER KAUR WENT TO GOVERNANCE BUT IT'S STILL IN GOVERNANCE RIGHT NOW. IT HASN'T GOTTEN OUT.

IT ALSO HASN'T BEEN PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATIONS -- AND THIS GOES BACK TO -- GOSH, IT WAS LAST OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER WHEN IT WENT TO GOVERNANCE INITIALLY. IT HASN'T GOTTEN OUT OF

GOVERNANCE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: I EXPECT IT WILL COME BACK TO GOVERNANCE. I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF PIECEMEAL CCRS AND GOALS AND PEOPLE WANTING TO ADDRESS FEEDBACK IN REALTIME.

I THINK IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE THAT CCR HAS BEEN FILED.

I HAVE HEARD, YES, THE $75 MILLION TOTAL -- PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SAY AND INFLUENCE INTO THAT. BUT THEY REALLY WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK AS IT RELATES TO THIS MASSIVE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO EAT UP INTO THE BULK OF -- IT'S GOING TO EAT INTO A LOT OF RESOURCES, TIME, STAFFING, AND PUBLIC INTEREST.

AND IF WE CAN RESHAPE WHAT THAT COMMISSION COULD LOOK LIKE, I THINK IT IN OUR BEST

INTEREST AND IN THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTEREST. >> WALSH: THAT'S A GREAT POINT, COUNCILMAN. I'LL WORK WITH THE MAYOR BECAUSE THAT ITEM HAS BEEN JUST IN A HOLDING PATTERN. FRANKLY, YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BOTH THE GOVERNANCE AND FULL COUNCIL. MAYBE IN ADVANCE OF OR AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT NEGOTIATING PRIORITIES. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ:

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>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE DISCUSSED THAT CCR.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, PART OF IT HAD TO DO WITH DO WE NEED A DASHBOARD TO TRACK $2.5 MILLION. YOU ALMOST NEED AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.

BUT THANK YOU, SHANON AND TROY FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WANT TO ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FINANCES. TROY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED DURING OUR PRE-BRIEF, WHICH I APPRECIATED YOU AND SHANON TAKING THE TIME TO DO, IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE ITC SITE, WITH THAT BEING FUNDED FROM THE MIDTOWN TIRZ. THE TIRZ, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE ECONOMY, IF IT'S COVID, SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS FROM THE TIRZ , I WANTED YOU TO GIVE ME THE SIMPLE ANSWER OF WHAT THEN, RIGHT? AND YOU VERY HELPFULLY EXPLAINED WHILE THERE IS NOT A LEGAL OBLIGATION FOR THE CITY TO PAY FOR THOSE REVENUE BONDS, OUR CREDIT AGENCIES WOULD WANT TO SEE US MAKE THE TIRZ WHOLE. AND ONE OF THOSE SOURCES THEN COULD BE THE GENERAL FUND. HAVE I CHARACTERIZED THAT CORRECTLY?

>> ELLIOTT: AS WE MOVE INTO THOSE FINANCINGS, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOT A DEFAULT ON THE BONDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE STRUCTURE THE DEBT, WE DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO ENSURE, ONE, THAT THE BONDS ARE MARKETABLE. AND THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE DEBT OVER THE TERM OF THE LIFE OF THE DEBT.

WE LOOK AT PUTTING IN PLACE DEBT SERVICE RESERVES. ALSO LOOK AT COVERAGE RESERVES. AND BEFORE WE EVEN WENT TO A DEFAULT ON A DEBT WE WOULD LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO RESTRUCTURE THE ACTUAL DEBT. BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THERE WAS A DEFAULT, THERE IS NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO PAY FOR THAT DEBT OUTSIDE OF THE BACKING OF THE TIRZ. HOWEVER, IN OUR PAST EXPERIENCE, TO YOUR POINT WORKING WITH THE CREDIT AGENCIES, IN THE EVENT THERE WAS A DEFAULT, THERE'S A

MORAL OBLIGATION TO MAKE THAT WHOLE. >> WALSH: MAYOR, LET ME ADD THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IN THE EXAMPLE YOU'RE GIVING, THERE WOULD BE A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION OUTLINED IN THE TERM SHEET THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS THAT PROVIDES THE NECESSARY BACKSTOP BY THE SPURS AND THE DEVELOPERS, WHICH WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE TERM SHEET CONVERSATION.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WATERFALL SCENARIO, THAT THE WATER FALLS IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAP.

>> MAYOR JONES: UNDERSTOOD. IF YOU BRING UP THE SLIDE ON THE ACQUISITION PIECE. FOR CLARITY -- THANK YOU. SLIDE 4, PLEASE.

ACQUISITION. JUST FOR THOSE THAT ARE FOLLOWING ALONG.

THIS ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ITC SITE SAYS FUNDED FROM MIDTOWN TIRZ.

THERE NOT BEING OTHER SOURCES IDENTIFIED AT THIS POINT.

THANKS TO SHANON FOR CLARIFYING. OTHER OPTIONS WILL BE EXPLORED THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS. THAT WAS POTENTIALLY LAND SWAPS IS WHAT THOSE FOLKS HAD CONTEMPLATED. AS THIS IS CLEARLY FROM THE MIDTOWN TIRZ, UNDERSTANDING IF THERE'S NOT TIRZ MONEY, WHO COULD THAT POTENTIALLY FALL BACK ON. AND TROY HELPFULLY EXPLAINED THAT A SOURCE OF THAT COULD BE THE GENERAL FUND. OKAY. I WANT TO ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ.

I THINK THERE'S GREAT BENEFIT IN THE WORKING GROUP, HAVING A MUCH MORE PUBLIC ASPECT TO IT. I THINK -- NO OFFENSE, NO SHADE TO THE COUNTY BUT I THINK WE SAW SOME OF THEIR MISTAKES IN HOW THEY CONDUCTED SOME OF THOSE ENGAGEMENTS WITH THE PUBLIC, AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO AVOID THAT.

I HAVE FULL TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN MY COLLEAGUES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THAT. I THINK, THOUGH, THERE IS A GREATER APPETITE IN THE PUBLIC NOT TO BE BRIEFED ON WHAT WAS DISCUSSED BUT TO EITHER SEE IN REALTIME WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED OR CERTAINLY MAYBE UNDERSTAND BEFOREHAND WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED. SO THE WORKING GROUP, I THINK WE CAN HELP OURSELVES, TO THE COUNCILMAN'S POINT, TO EITHER MAKE THAT A PUBLIC MEETING FULLY OR WE -- THAT WORK IS DONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, ERIK. ON THE EPM, I WANT TO BUILD

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I THINK WE CAN HELP OURSELVES -- THIS MAY BE FOR THE LAWYERS -- UNDERSTANDING THE CHANGES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. ANDY, I WOULD ASK YOUR TEAM DRAFT US A RESOLUTION THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE MOST THAT WE CAN ASK IN THAT REGARD. AND I APPRECIATE ALEX'S EXPLANATION IN TERMS OF WE NORMALLY BRING SOMETHING TO YOU ALL. BUT US UNDERSTANDING KIND OF THE FULL LEGAL AGENCY WE HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO DOING ALL WE CAN TO PROMOTE LOCAL PARTICIPATION AND FUTURE CONTRACTING WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

SO THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THAT. OKAY.

ON THE -- I SEE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE WORKING GROUP AND THE MOBILITY STUDY.

IN BOTH OF THESE THINGS -- AND I CERTAINLY CAN APPRECIATE LANDSCAPE ANALYSIS. KIND OF WHERE ARE WE, HOW DID WE GET HERE? I THINK SHE'S LEFT BUT I SAW TRISH DEBERRY WAS HERE EARLY AND I SAW THE PREVIOUS DOWNTOWN STUDY THAT TALKED ABOUT HAVING 12,500 FOLKS CURRENTLY LIVING DOWNTOWN, WITH THE GOAL BEING 25,000. WHEN I SPOKE TO HER INITIALLY -- I WASN'T ELECTED YET BUT IT WAS HELPFUL TO KNOW THEIR PLANS. I REMEMBER SITTING WITH HER AND ASKING HOW IS THIS REFLECTIVE OF BASEBALL AND HOW IS THIS REFLECTIVE OF THE PROJECT MARVEL STUFF? IT HADN'T BEEN. WHILE IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THE PLANS THAT EXIST, UNDERSTANDING THEIR UTILITY IN TODAY'S WORLD IS ONLY HELPFUL IF WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TOWARD.

AND SO IN THE ABSENCE OF COMMON ASSUMPTIONS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PLANNING TO LIVE DOWNTOWN? HOW MANY PEOPLE THEN DO WE HAVE TO MOVE DOWNTOWN? HOW MANY BUSINESSES? HOW MANY MILES OF WALKABILITY? HOW MANY MILES OF GREEN SPACE? ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THESE BASIC PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS TO GUIDE OUR WORK THEN IT'S REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND IF SOME OF THOSE PLANS NEED TO BE MODIFIED SLIGHTLY OR NEED TO BE SCRAPPED AND JUST REIMAGINED. SO SOME OF THIS SEEMS -- ESPECIALLY THE MOBILITY STUDY -- IT SEEMS HARD TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE. AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE VIA CHART ON THEIR EFFORTS. MOVING PEOPLE INTO DOWNTOWN. MOVE PEOPLE WITHIN DOWNTOWN.

MOVING PEOPLE OUT OF DOWNTOWN. THAT'S GREAT.

WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, IT REMINDED ME OF THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT I WENT TO AT -- I BELIEVE IT WAS WITH TOMMY CALVERT ON THE EASTSIDE.

HE TALKED CLEARLY ABOUT THE CONES PROBLEM AND THE CONES PROBLEM BEING WHAT FOLKS FELT ON THE EASTSIDE, WHICH IS CONES WERE DESIGNED TO GET PEOPLE INTO THE ARENA AND THEN AS SOON AS THAT GAME WAS DONE, GET THEM OUT OF THE ARENA.

SO THERE WAS NO BENEFIT TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE BEING IN THE AREA TO REALLY EXPERIENCE IT AND HAVING THOSE LOCAL BUSINESSES -- ACTUALLY SOME WHO SUFFERED MORE SO DURING THOSE EVENTS BECAUSE THOSE CONES WERE THERE TO ONLY GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT. THIS GOES BACK TO US UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE. ARE WE SOLVING FOR JUST 25,000 PEOPLE DOWNTOWN OR, NO KIDDING, 75,000 PEOPLE BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

I THINK CLARITY ON THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WOULD REALLY ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING AND THE PLANNING EFFORTS, WHETHER THEY BE A MOBILITY STUDY OR EVEN ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS BY A DOWNTOWN WORKING GROUP ARE INFORMED BY THE GOALS, PERIOD. ERIK, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION TO YOU IN TERMS OF PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS TO BEST INFORM -- CERTAINLY NOT JUST THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY BUT I THINK ALSO THEN TO HELP US VET WHO IS BEST EXPERIENCED OF THE VENDORS THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THESE CONTRACTS, WHO HAS WORKED AT THAT LEVEL? I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ISSUED A CONTRACT FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE RIVER WALK. CERTAINLY THEN WE WOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, UNDERSTANDING IT'S MUCH MORE COMPLEX.

>> WALSH: YEAH. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE VENDOR. I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MADE ALREADY. IT IS LOOKING AT THE PLANNED HOUSING UNITS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE HOUSING TRUST AND OPPORTUNITY HOME AND OTHER POTENTIAL PRIVATE DEVELOPERS ARE COMING. I DON'T THINK WE CAN HIRE A VENDOR THAT'S GOING TO TELL US TO SOLVE THESE ARE YOUR PLANNING ITEMS.

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BECAUSE THE OTHER PART IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO INFORM THE COUNCIL.

IF YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO HAVE THE BOND CONVERSATION, THERE'S A HOUSING COMPONENT TO THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT. SO WE DRIVE AS MUCH OF THAT PLANNING AS POSSIBLE. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT MOVING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON, AS WE GET MORE CLARITY FROM THE SPURS OVER THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WE KNOW THE ACTIVITY AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER AND CIVIC PLAZA NOW. AS THAT AREA CONTINUES TO GROW , WE KNOW THE

TRANSITTORY NATURE OF VISITORS. >> MAYOR JONES: IN TERMS OF US PROVIDING YOU OR THE STAFF SUFFICIENT PLANNING ASSUMPTIONS AS YOUR TARGETS.

AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I REMEMBER WHEN I TALKED TO TRISH DEBERRY, THEIR GOAL WAS 25,000. AND THAT GOT IT . HELPFUL.

BUT IF THAT IS -- IF WE WANT TO DO 100,000 PEOPLE DOWNTOWN, JUST BASED ON THE GROWTH THAT WE SEE -- GO TALK TO SECRETARY CISNEROS, HELLO.

AS WELL AS WHAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING DOWNTOWN, AS WELL AS WHAT WE WANT, RIGHT? WE WANT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN. WE WANT MORE HOUSING SO THAT IS LESS REFLECTIVE OF THE CURRENT PLANS WE HAVE. THOSE WOULD INFORM THE GAP BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE WANT TO GO. BUT WE NEED, AS A COUNCIL TO SETTLE ON WHERE ARE WE GOING. IS THAT NUMBER 100,000 BY 2032? IS THAT NUMBER 150,000 BY 2040? WHAT ARE WE PLANNING TOWARD TO ENSURE WE'VE GOT A DISTRICT MOBILITY STUDY, TO ENSURE WE HAVE SAWS, CPS INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THOSE THINGS.

IT'S LESS ABOUT DO WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND DO WE HAVE CLARITY AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME GENERATIONAL OPPORTUNITY

WE'VE GOT. >> WALSH: MEETINGS ARE APPROPRIATE TO SHARE.

IF YOU WANT US TO PLAN TO MOVE 150,000 PEOPLE OUT OF DOWNTOWN OR 50,000 OR WHAT HAVE YOU, MEETINGS LIKE THIS ARE IMPORTANT. IF THERE'S OTHER THOUGHTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE, MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU.

I THINK AS I GET THAT INFORMATION, I THINK MAKING SURE THAT WE CIRCULATE THAT BACK TO THE FULL COUNCIL. IF IT HAPPENS IN MY MONTHLY ONE-ON-ONES OR REGULAR MEETINGS. THAT WAY THE COUNCIL IS SEEING THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT SOME OF YOU AS INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE.

I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO SET THE MOTION FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET, THAT WE DON'T EXPERIENCE YET, AND WE THINK WE HAVE A GENERALLY GOOD PLAN OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF HOUSING, MOBILITY. MOBILITY, WE KNOW THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WE NEED TO MOVE IN AND OUT. IF YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO RUN, WE NEED TO HEAR THAT.

>> MAYOR JONES: I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN GROWTH WE KNOW IS COMING.

ON TOP OF WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWNTOWN, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES. AND SO WE WILL PROVIDE YOU BETTER GUIDANCE ON THAT.

I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK COUNCILMAN MUNGIA, AS THE HEAD OF THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, TO HELP GUIDE, SURVEY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN TERMS OF WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE NUMBER THAT WE CAN HELP, THAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR AND THAT IT IS INFORMED BY THOSE AROUND THE DAIS . OKAY.

ON THE MOBILITY PIECE, THANK YOU, SHANON FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.

I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A TIME-SENSITIVE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT.

WE HAVE ABOUT $3.7 MILLION THAT WE'VE GOT TO SPEND BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? >> $3.7 MILLION. I DID THINK THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY SEEING SOME POTENTIAL COLLABORATION THERE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT FUNDED IN THE 2022 BOND. THAT -- CLEARLY THERE'S SOME COMMUNITY INTEREST, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND BEING SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO REVIEW THOSE THINGS. TROY, SHANON, THIS ENTIRE

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A RESULT OF A RATE INCREASE? >> ELLIOTT: MAYOR, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH SAWS ABOUT HOW THE TIMING WOULD IMPACT THEM FROM AN

INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. >> WALSH: MAYOR, IS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE SAWS WATER RATE ISSUE THAT YOU ALL ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT

NOW? >> MAYOR JONES: THAT'S RIGHT.

I DON'T WANT US TO GET LIQUORED UP ON THE ARENA AND TOYOTA EXPANSION AND THEN --

>> WALSH: THERE'S NO LIQUORING UP GOING ON HERE. TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THE DOWNTOWN CHILLER SYSTEM THAT SAWS OPERATES IS ITS OWN SEPARATE UTILITY . YOU AND I DON'T PAY FOR THAT.

THE USERS PAY FOR THAT. THE USERS HAVE TO PAY FOR ANY EXPANSION, GROWTH, OR MAINTENANCE OF THAT SYSTEM. THE COUNCIL, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UPDATED THE RATES. COUNCIL APPROVED THAT. THAT ALLOWED SAWS TO DO THE NECESSARY MAINTENANCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT SYSTEM.

BUT THE GENERAL RATEPAYER WILL NOT PAY FOR THE CHILLED WATER SYSTEM DOWNTOWN.

GREAT QUESTION. >> MAYOR JONES: SO THEN JUST A FINER POINT ON THAT.

IF SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATES, UPGRADES THAT ARE ENVISIONED TO BE FUNDED BY SAWS, THE SAWS RATE INCREASE. IF THOSE DO NOT TAKE PLACE,

ALL OF THIS IS STILL A GO? >> WALSH: YEAH. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

TAKE PLACE. >> MAYOR JONES: SO THEY HAVE TO TAKE PLACE.

>> WALSH: LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IF WE EXPAND THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR 180,000 SQUARE FEET, WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CHILLER CAPACITY SO THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT.

A DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA -- IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE SAWS HAS GOT -- YOU WERE PART OF THE BOARD CONVERSATION. THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE'S CHILLED WATER INFRASTRUCTURE BETWEEN WHERE IT'S AT OFF OF MARKET STREET AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE ALAMODOME. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE AND IT IS MORE EFFICIENT FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT CHILLED WATER SYSTEM. AND FRANKLY, THE MORE USERS ON THAT SYSTEM, THE LESS THE CITY'S GOING TO PAY. RIGHT NOW WE PAY THE MAJORITY OF THAT CHILLED

WATER SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'RE THE BIGGEST USER. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. SO I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE WORK HAS TO BE DONE IN ORDER

TO SUPPORT THIS EFFORT. >> WALSH: MAYOR, YOU KNOW, THE WORK SHOULD BE DONE BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO COOL LARGE FACILITIES.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO AIR-CONDITION IT AND PUT A CHILLER ON THE TOP OF THEIR BUILDING, THEY CAN DO IT IF THEY WANT BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM A COST

STANDPOINT. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. ON THE CONVENTION CENTER, SHANON. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO HAVE CLARITY ON, JUST GIVEN THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT, $750 MILLION IS THE LAST ESTIMATE TO THE UPDATE TO THIS COUNCIL. WE RECOGNIZE THAT MANY OF OUR -- THE CITIES AROUND US, IN TEXAS, IN PARTICULAR. AUSTIN, DALLAS, HOUSTON ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FINANCIALLY BUT ALSO KIND OF MORE COMPLEX EXPANSIONS OR COMPLETE RE-DOS OF THEIR CONVENTION CENTERS. HOW DO WE UNDERSTAND THE FEASIBILITY OF IT IS KIND OF WHAT CAN WE DO? BUT HELPING US UNDERSTAND HOW OUR EXPANSION IS GOING TO HELP US COMPARE TO AUSTIN, HOUSTON, DALLAS, GIVEN THEY'RE MAKING BILLION-DOLLAR INVESTMENTS AND SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDING THEIR CONVENTION CENTER.

HELP US UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION WE'RE MAKING BETWEEN OUR MODIFICATIONS AND HOW THAT ACTUALLY HELPS US BE COMPETITIVE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS 80% OF THE MAJOR CONVENTIONS IN THE COUNTRY HAPPEN IN 20 CITIES AND WE'RE ALREADY IN THOSE 20 CITIES. THEY COME HERE FOR THE RIVER WALK AND THE ALAMO AND OTHER THINGS. I WONDER IF WE HAVE AS GOOD OF AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT INVESTMENT IN THAT IT DOESN'T EXPAND OUR CONVENTION CENTER AS MUCH AS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE OTHER CITIES. WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO

DO FOR US. >> WALSH: MAYOR, I'LL TAKE A SWING AT THAT AND ALEX CAN ADD SOME COLOR AS WELL. THE FEASIBILITY STUDY IS GOING TO UPDATE WHAT WE SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR IS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT 180,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT IS MAINLY EXHIBIT SPACE, HELPS US MAINTAIN OUR POSITION IN THE INDUSTRY.

IT DOES NOT GIVE US ADDITIONAL GROUND. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT AUSTIN AND DALLAS ARE DOING, THEY ARE TEARING DOWN THEIR BUILDINGS BUT THEY'RE NOT

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WE DON'T NEED TO DO WHAT AUSTIN AND DALLAS ARE DOING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A GREAT FACILITY. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE EXHIBIT SPACE.

AND WE'RE OPERATING RIGHT NOW AT MAX CAPACITY. WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE MOVE IN, THE MOVE OUT, AND OUR BOOKING DATES, I'LL REMIND THE COUNCIL LAST YEAR THAT VISIT SAN ANTONIO WENT BACK AND FORECASTED, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAVE WE LOST AND WHAT CAN WE GAIN WHEN YOU LOOK BACK FIVE YEARS, MINUS THE FORGOTTEN YEARS OF COVID AND YOU LOOK FORWARD TEN YEARS, THERE'S A BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF BUSINESS THEY COULD HELP SECURE BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THE ADDITIONAL EXHIBIT SPACE. THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WILL UPDATE THAT PART.

YOU'LL SEE IT IN SEPTEMBER. BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING WHAT AUSTIN AND DALLAS IS DOING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT BIG ENOUGH FACILITY. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE. WE ARE AT MAX CAPACITY IN TERMS OF USAGE OF THAT BUILDING. WE CAN'T GROW ANY MORE IN TERMS OF BUSINESS.

ALEX, DID I MISS ANYTHING? OKAY. >> MAYOR JONES: I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT CHART THOUGH, SHANON, AS I MENTIONED.

THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND HOW THAT ACTUALLY COMPARES

ASSUMPTION FOR $750 MILLION. >> WALSH: MAYOR, WE WILL REPRODUCE THAT AND GET THAT

TO Y'ALL. >> MAYOR JONES: THANKS. AS WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE FUNDING FOR THE PFC WOULD GO TO THE CONVENTION CENTER.

AND SO NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE ECONOMY COULD GO, UNDERSTANDING WE MAY NEED TO PULL FROM THE PFC TO PAY FOR OTHER THINGS, WE WANT TO HAVE AS GOOD OF AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THAT AS A RESULT.

I KNOW WE ASKED BUT WE DID NOT GET AN ANSWER ON IT. CAN THE PFC PAY FOR

AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TROY? >> CLE>> ELLIOTT: AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THE BRIEFING, WE LOOKED AT A MEMO ISSUED AFTER THE JANUARY B SESSION, AND I THINK BEN LAID OUT AN ARTICULATE ANSWER AS TO WHAT CAN BE USED IN TERMS OF THE PFZ.

>> MAYOR JONES: NO, I READ THE MEMO AND IT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY ANSWER THE

QUESTION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> ELLIOTT: THEN NO.

THE PFZ CANNOT BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> MAYOR JONES: DO YOU

HAVE THAT DEFINITIVELY? >> WALSH: YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR JONES: IT TALKS ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, A LOOSE DEFINITION OF THAT. WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR CLARITY ON THAT. BUT WE'VE GOT A DEFINITIVE ANSWER THAT WE CANNOT USE

PFC RESOURCES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? >> WALSH: YEAH.

THE INTENT OF THE PFZ IN THE EYES OF THE STATE IS IT'S AN INVESTMENT OF STATE REVENUES INTO VENUES. ANY USE OF THE PFZ, EVEN FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER OR FOR AN NBA ARENA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO GET THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE OF THAT MONEY MEETS THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT.

AS WE ADVOCATED FOR THAT UP IN AUSTIN A COUPLE OF SESSIONS AGO, WITH THE HELP OF SENATOR MENENDEZ AND REPRESENTATIVE HAWKINS, WE TALKED ABOUT CONVENTION

CENTER, ALAMODOME, AND NBA ARENA. >> MAYOR JONES: AND THE

INFRASTRUCTURE. >> WALSH: AND RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE BUT WE DID

NOT TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: I THINK THE CONVERSATION WAS ALSO, BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORTING THOSE THINGS WAS LOOSE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WE ASKED ABOUT IT POTENTIALLY BEING PART OF THAT. THOSE THREE THINGS, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND THE RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF WE HAD AN ABILITY TO ASK FOR, INCLUDE IN THAT, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT.

>> WALSH: RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE IS GENERALLY --

>> MAYOR JONES: GENERALLY, YEAH. >> WALSH: GENERALLY DEFINED IN THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE. IT'S ALREADY A DEFINED AREA.

IT INCLUDES ANY STORE, RESTAURANT, ON-SITE HOTEL, CONCESSION, AUTOMOBILE PARKING FACILITY, AREA TRANSPORTATION FACILITY, ROAD, STREET, WATER, SEWER, FACILITY, PARK, OR ANY ON-SITE OR OFF-SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ENHANCE THE APPEAL OF A VENUE. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE VENUES AND ANYTHING WE DO WITH THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE BEFORE WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY. IT'S RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE -- I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE FALL.

THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS, THE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE CONVENTION CENTER OR THE ALAMODOME OR THE NBA ARENA. THAT'S RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE.

I KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT COUNCIL HAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO

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THE YEAR AROUND THE BOND. >> MAYOR JONES: APPRECIATE THAT, GIVEN HOW SMALL OUR BOND IS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR HAVING TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES TO PAY FOR OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE -- WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THAT THE PFZ CAN COVER ACROSS BASIC THINGS LIKE ROADS AND STREETS THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE INVESTING IN ROADS AND STREETS OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN KAUR. >> KAUR: THANKS, MAYOR.

I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY CLARIFY, SINCE THE CCR I FILED LAST FALL, THE INTENT WAS TO CREATE BASICALLY AN ADVISORY BOARD THAT WOULD HELP US OVERSEE THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT. WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AFTER THE LAST ROUND OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WAS DONE WAS THEY FELT LIKE THEY WANTED MORE AND THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE INPUT ON HOW THOSE DOLLARS WERE BEING SPENT. SO THE REQUEST FOR THAT BOARD WOULD BE TO GO OUT AND HELP US DO THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND TALK TO RESIDENTS ABOUT WHERE THEY WANTED TO SEE THOSE DOLLARS AND HOW THEY WANTED TO BETTER PROVIDE US WITH THAT INPUT SO WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

AND THEY WOULD ADDITIONALLY GET SOME SUPPORT. WE HAD HAD SOME SET-ASIDE DOLLARS FOR THE SECOND PHASE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BUT WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO EXECUTE ON THAT. THE BOARD WOULD HAVE BEEN COMPRISED BY A MEMBER FROM EACH ONE OF OUR OFFICES, ALONG WITH AN SAISD BOARD MEMBER.

BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE THE EDUCATION COMMUNITY SHOULD BE -- OR SAISD REPRESENTATIVE, SORRY. BECAUSE WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE CONVERSATIONS. WE ALSO WANTED TO INCLUDE THE COUNTY, SINCE WE ARE TRYING TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM MORE. WE GAVE THEM ONE APPOINTMENT. SO THE CITY COUNCIL STILL HAS THE MAJORITY.

BUT THE IDEA WAS TO DEMONSTRATE COLLABORATION ACROSS ENTITIES.

AS ERIK MENTIONED, THE CCR DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF GOVERNANCE BUT IF FOLKS ARE INTERESTED IN IT, WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HAVING ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. BUT THERE WAS TWO SEPARATE CCRS.

THIS ONE WAS JUST SOLELY FOCUSED ON THE CBA AS WELL AS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE LED ANOTHER CCR THAT WAS FOCUSED ON THE DASHBOARD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION OF THE PURPOSE OF THOSE TWO.

>> WALSH: YEAH, COUNCILMAN WHYTE AND COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO ON THE DASHBOARD.

YEAH. >> KAUR: SORRY. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

I REMEMBER THAT. I WAS LOOKING TO HAVE COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN HERE TO CLARIFY. I REMEMBER SOME OF THE CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT WAS LIKE A CONSULTANT-LED. EITHER WAY, WE'LL REVISIT THAT CCR.

THANK YOU. WAS THAT IT, COUNCILWOMAN? SHE'S DONE.

COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO, PLEASE. >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU.

TO VOTE UPON THAT POINT, I DID PULL UP THE MEETING MINUTES AND THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE DID UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO DELAY THIS ITEM. BUT GIVEN THE HIGH REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC FOR AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, PART OF THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST WAS FOR AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE ON A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ONE COMPONENT OF THE LARGER PROJECT, I DO BELIEVE THERE IS VALUE IN HAVING A FULL B SESSION.

BASED OFF THE CONVERSATION AND THE MEETING MINUTES, A NUMBER OF REASONS IT WAS DELAYED WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE MAKEUP OF THE COMMITTEE. CONVERSATIONS AND CONCERN ABOUT THE BEXAR COUNTY PARTICIPATING. IT WAS STATED THAT WE ALREADY HAVE TOO MANY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND THEN OF COURSE THE CONSULTANT COMPONENT. I DO BELIEVE THERE'S VALUE IN A FULL B SESSION CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE CAN SHAPE WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CONSTITUENTS HAVE ASKED -- AS FOLKS HAVE HIGHLIGHTED -- MANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE HAVE ALREADY NEGOTIATED AND WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT THE CBA FUNDING. I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN TERMS OF CREATING THAT FRAMEWORK IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURE. OF COURSE, IN A B SESSION, DETERMINING WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT PROPOSED COMMITTEE. AND THEN ALSO IN TERMS OF THE CONSULTANT, I THINK THERE'S VALUE -- AND THE C&E TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, WHETHER IT'S BOND AND BUDGET CONVERSATIONS, TO FACILITATE WHAT THAT FRAMEWORK COULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AN EXAMPLE THAT COMES TO MIND IS WOULD WE EXPECT AND/OR PROPOSE TO THE PUBLIC TO CONSIDER RELYING ON THE CBA TO CITY STAFF CAN CREATE THAT FRAMEWORK TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.

AND THEN OF COURSE FULL COUNCIL CONVERSATION ON WHAT THAT COMPOSITION COULD LOOK LIKE. I BELIEVE THIS IS A CCR THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH.

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I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AT THE VERY LEAST, TO CREATE THE FRAMEWORK SO THAT WAY WE'RE PREPARED AND WE DO ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE ON OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING THAT CONVERSATION SOONER THAN LATER AND PREFERABLY A B SESSION. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?

COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN. >> VIAGRAN: YEAH, I THINK IT WAS ASKED ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT. I LOVE THE IDEA OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT. AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THEM IN DISTRICT 3 IN TERMS OF WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK, THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE GROUPS COMING IN AND DOWNTOWN IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE ENTIRE CITY. WE ARE UNDER THE CONSIDERATION OF THE NEEDS OF THE DIFFERENT DISTRICT. I DON'T MIND A FRAMEWORK BUT AGAIN, I DO THINK IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT TO COME FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

AS Y'ALL KNOW, IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR SPECIFICALLY, WHEN WE TALK MORTALITY RATES, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THE NORTHERN SECTOR.

WHERE I COME WITH SOMETHING THAT'S HEALTH-ORIENTED, THE DISTRICTS 8, 9, AND 10 MAY NEED SOMETHING ELSE. THE ONLY THING IS AS WE TALK ABOUT A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, WE DON'T LIMIT IT JUST TO THE SPURS BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER GROUPS COMING IN.

SOME OF THEM ARE PHILANTHROPIC EFFORTS ARE TOWARDS HEALTH, SENIORS, OR EDUCATION AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DRIVEN THAT WAY TOO. JUST MAKING SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING ON THE LIST THAT WE ARE PRIORITIZING HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IN TERMS OF PROJECTS. AS WIDE AS WE CAN MAKE THAT LIST, I THINK THE BETTER.

AND I WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF TOWN ALSO BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE -- THOSE THAT WANT TO JUST HELP WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THERE AS WE LOOK REGARDING THIS MOVE. I'M ALL FOR HAVING THE CONVERSATION BUT, AGAIN, I DO NOT WANT US TO BE PLACED IN A BOX WE CANNOT GET OUT

OF. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COUNCILMEMBER

MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU.

I KNOW I USED BOTH OF MY ROUNDS SO I'LL BE VERY, VERY BRIEF.

I DO WANT TO CLARIFY MY REQUEST AS IT RELATES TO COUNCILMEMBER KAUR'S CCR WAS EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF THAT. $2 MILLION A YEAR IS NOTHING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PRIORITIES WITH THAT ARE. WE ALSO HAVEN'T DISCUSSED, AS A BODY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE RIGHT TO THE EASTSIDE.

YOU KNOW, OUR ROLE IN ALL OF THIS FROM THE FROST BANK CENTER TO THIS NEW ARENA.

WHAT ROLE ARE WE GOING TO BE PLAYING. AND IS ANY OF THE $75 MILLION GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THEY DESIRE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THERE. THAT WAS MY COMMENT AT GOVERNANCE WAS UNTIL WE NEGOTIATE AND ALSO UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING ARE WE GOING TO SPEND IT ALL UP FRONT OR DO $2 MILLION A YEAR? I'M STILL A LITTLE IFFY THERE BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PEOPLE IS THEY WANT TO BE MORE ENGAGED AND INVOLVED AND HAVE AN OVERSIGHT ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF PROJECT MARVEL. THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN A SINGLE-YEAR PROJECT. WE DO HAVE OVERSIGHT COMMISSIONS THAT MEET TO DISCUSS, INCLUDING THE BOND. OR AT ONE POINT DISCUSSING DRAINAGE PROJECTS AFTER THE BOND COMMITTEE STOPPED MEETING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COME OUT OF GOVERNANCE, IF WE GET TO THAT POINT.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. ANY OTHER FOLKS WANT TO COMMENT ON HERE? OKAY. TROY, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE PFZ AND THE PROJECTIONS THAT GET US TO $2.5 BILLION OVER 30 YEARS.

CAN YOU SHARE WITH THE COUNCIL -- YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT NOW BUT CERTAINLY LIKE THE PROJECTIONS THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND HOW WE GET TO $2.5 BILLION OVER THE 30

YEARS. >> ELLIOTT: SO THE PFZ OVER TIME IS GOING TO GROW.

THERE'S A BASE YEAR FOR 2025 FOR THE PFZ. ANY INCREMENTAL VALUE OVER THAT WILL ACCUMULATE OVER TIME THROUGH THE 30 YEARS. THROUGH THE AGREEMENT WITH THE PFZ. AND THAT WILL GROW -- THE STATE HAD A VALUE OF 6%.

WE'RE ESTIMATING A 3% GROWTH OVER THE TERM. >> MAYOR JONES: UNDERSTOOD. I GET THE MATH. BUT I WANT TO SEE THE THINGS THAT WE ANTICIPATE ARE GOING TO MAKE UP THAT THAT THE SPURS ENTERTAINMENT FOLKS ARE GOING TO PUT IN THOSE THINGS.

WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW DO WE GET TO 2.5. THERE'S THE MATH OF IT BUT

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IS HELPFUL. >> WALSH: MAYOR, JUST TO CLARIFY.

YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE PFZ BUT WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS THE CONTRACTUAL GUARANTEE

ON THE DEVELOPMENT. >> MAYOR JONES: THEY'RE CONNECTED.

>> WALSH: THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. >> MAYOR JONES: UNDERSTOOD

BUT THEY'RE CONNECTED. >> WALSH: THE $2.5 BILLION, THE STATE ESTIMATED A 6% COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH. WE ESTIMATED ABOUT 3, WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH OUR HISTORICAL. THAT IS ALL DRIVEN BY THE CAPTURE OF THE INCREMENT OF HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX WITHIN THAT THREE-MILE AREA.

>> MAYOR JONES: UNDERSTOOD. >> WALSH: BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS ABOUT THE PHASE 1 AND PHASE 1. $500 MILLION AND $900 MILLION. I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THE QUESTION IS FOR TROY.

>> MAYOR JONES: SO THE CIRCLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AROUND THE AREA THAT HELPS US GET TO $2.5 BILLION. HELP US UNDERSTAND, AS WELL AS YOU KNOW IT NOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO $2.5 BILLION.

>> WALSH:

>> MAYOR JONES: AND THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROJECTS TIED TO IT THAT YOU CAN HELP LAY

THAT OUT. NOT AT THIS POINT? >> ELLIOTT: NO.

AT THIS POINT, BASED ON WHAT THE STATE DID, THEY TOOK THE THREE-MILE RADIUS.

THEY TOOK THE EXISTING HOTELS IN THAT RADIUS AND THE INCOME PRODUCED OFF OF THAT IN TERMS OF HOT AND RELATED HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. AND THERE'S PURELY A GROWTH RATE BASED ON HISTORICAL VALUES. CURRENTLY THERE'S NOT INCLUDED ANY ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IN THERE TO INFLUENCE THE PFZ OVER THAT

TERM. >> MAYOR JONES: HOW SOON MIGHT WE SEE KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AND CERTAINLY THIS WILL BE SOMETHING WE TRACK ON THE DASHBOARD.

BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP US THAT WE CAN HAVE CONFIDENCE TO GET US TO

2.5. >> WALSH: WE'LL UPDATE THAT AS PART OF THE DEFINITIVE AGREEMENTS AND WITH THE COUNCIL LATER ON IN THE YEAR.

I GUESS MY ESTIMATE HERE IS THAT BASED ON THE PASSAGE OF TIME, WHICH HAS ONLY BEEN SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS, OUR PROJECTIONS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE.

WE'LL UPDATE THOSE PROBABLY WITH THE ADOPTION -- OR THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

WE'LL GO BACK AND DO A BAROMETER CHECK ON OUR ESTIMATES.

WE WERE GENERALLY PRETTY CONSERVATIVE ON THAT COMPOUND ANNUAL GROWTH.

THE STATE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIBERAL THAN WE WERE. WE'RE SHOOTING A LITTLE BIT

LOW BUT WE CAN UPDATE IT AS PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU.

ON THE PFZ AND WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO PAY FOR. IF RIGHT NOW WE'RE PREVENTED FROM INVESTING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOMETHING LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE THINK IS IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURE -- COUNCILMEMBER MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ, I WOULD LIKE AT HOW WE LOOK AT AN ALLEGED AGENDA OPPORTUNITY, GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THOSE AREAS AND THAT POTENTIAL SOURCE. OKAY. FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO ASKED WHEN IT COMES TO THE ARENAS AND DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN FINANCED. THIS IDEA OF AN ADMISSIONS TAX AND A PARKING TAX. 10% IS WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER STATE LAW FOR AN ADMISSIONS TAX. AND THEN IT WAS $5 PER DAY MAXIMUM FOR PARKING.

THAT IS WHAT FORT WORTH, FOR EXAMPLE, UTILIZED TO HELP PAY DOWN THE PUBLIC'S PORTION OF THE DICKEY'S ARENA. I DID ASK OUR COUNCIL AND THE TEAM TO HELP US UNDERSTAND IF THAT WAS FEASIBLE FOR US.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS ABLE TO LEVY UNILATERALLY.

THE COUNTY -- THEY HAVE THE TAXING AUTHORITY FOR THAT. IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO LEVY AN ADMISSIONS TAX, AGAIN MAXIMUM 10% AND A PARKING TAX, MAXIMUM $5 PER DAY, ALL TO HELP PAY DOWN THE PUBLIC'S CONTRIBUTION, 311 FOR THE COUNTY -- CONTRIBUTION, THEN THAT IS UP TO THE COUNTY AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO FOR A PUBLIC VOTE. IN THIS INSTANCE THAT IS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE COUNTY. WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT AS AN AFFORDABILITY ISSUE AND UNDERSTANDING CITY TAXPAYERS ARE ALSO COUNTY TAXPAYERS. LAST TIME WE WERE GOING TO GET AN UPDATE ON THIS, TROY, THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION OF THE BASEBALL STADIUM. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THAT STANDS AS

WE ARE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THIS AT THE SAME TIME? >> WALSH: I DON'T THINK WE HAD THAT BUILT INTO THE MAY 7TH PRESENTATION, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR JONES: THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCUSSION OF IT.

DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE US AN UPDATE AS WE ARE IN GENERAL TALKING ABOUT

DOWNTOWN? >> WALSH: SURE. >> ELLIOTT: MAYOR, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MISSIONS BASEBALL TEAM FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO THREE WEEKS. THEY ARE CURRENTLY OUT LOOKING AT THEIR PHASE 1 DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO FINANCE THAT

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UPDATE. >> MAYOR JONES: ARE WE ROUGHLY ON SCHEDULE WITH THAT OR DO WE ANTICIPATE THE TEAM NEEDING TO BE GRANTED AN EXTENSION BASED ON WHERE

THEY ARE WITH FINANCING? >> ELLIOTT: I THINK IT'S LARGELY DEPENDENT ON WHAT RANDY COMES BACK IN TERMS OF THE FINANCING. ONCE WE FINALIZE THOSE

CONVERSATIONS, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU. >> WALSH: MAYOR, I THINK THE TIMELINE OF THE BASEBALL PORTION OF THAT IS GOING TO SLIP A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM. THAT WAS THE LAST UPDATE WE GAVE YOU ALL -- TO YOU AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. WE THINK THAT THE PHASE 1 DEVELOPMENT, AS TROY INDICATED, IS ON SCHEDULE AND THE BASEBALL PARK MAY SLIP A LITTLE BIT. ONCE WE HEAR BACK FROM THEM -- SINCE WE DON'T HAVE COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE'LL GET SOMETHING TO YOU GUYS

IMMEDIATELY. >> MAYOR JONES: I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE, BY CHANCE, FROM THE SPURS ON

THE MLS AGREEMENT? >> WALSH: I DO AND I'LL BRIEF THE COUNCIL AND YOU

SHORTLY. >> MAYOR JONES: THAT'S HELPFUL.

AS WE ALL KNOW -- I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING SOME SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS HERE. $800 MILLION FROM THE PEOPLE ON TOP OF THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'LL MAKE IN TERMS OF THE BOND INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK OUR COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE AGREEMENTS, THE VALIDITY AND HOW WELL WE UPHOLD THESE THINGS IS GOING TO BE IN PART BASED ON HOW WELL WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY UPHELD THESE --T JUST BEING $5 MILLION THAT'S STILL OUTSTANDING.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ERIK OR FROM THE TEAM?

>> WALSH: NO, MA'AM. >> MAYOR JONES: THE TIME IS NOW 4:05 P.M. AND THIS

MEETING IS ADJOURNED. >> WALSH: MAYOR, WE'RE GOING TO DO --

>> MAYOR JONES: EXEC. THANK YOU. THE TIME IS NOW 4:05 P.M. ON

[EXECUTIVE SESSION At any time during the meeting, the City Council may recess into executive session in the C Room to consult with the City Attorney's Office (Texas Government Code Section 551.071) and deliberate or discuss any of the following:  ]

PURCHASE, EXCHANGE, LEASE OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.072.

LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO LITIGATION INVOLVING THE CITY EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, ALL PURSUANT TO SECTION 551.071.

>> THE TIME IS NOW 439. NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE TIME IS

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