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AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION TO ORDER.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM ACTING CHAIR JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS, FOR PERMIT, FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH MEETING MINUTE APPROVAL FROM JUNE 3RD.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 3RD, MR. CHAIR? I'M MOVED TO APPROVE.
SECOND THE MEETING MINUTES FOR JUNE 3RD.
AND SECOND, MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA The consent agenda consists of items recommended by staff for approval or approval with stipulations that the applicant accepts. Any member of the public who would like to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and speak prior to the commission’s vote on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda to consider it individually. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.WE HAVE SE SEVEN ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, YOU HAVE THREE MESSAGES IN YOUR FOLDERS FOR REFERENCE FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN PERSON SPEAKERS ON ANY ITEMS. OKAY.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? UH, ITEM ONE.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE.
ANY OTHER ITEMS TO BE PULLED? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT FOR APPROVAL ITEMS 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN.
ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE MAM.
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AYE.IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 2 4 8 4 GILLINGHAM DRIVE, 7 4 1 WEST ASHBY PLACE, ONE 12 ARMOR AND 2 3 1 BRA HAND BOULEVARD.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10, 10 DAYS.
I WILL GO AHEAD AND PULL UP, UM, ITEM ONE AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ITEM ONE IS, UM, BEING REQUESTED BY THE CITY, AND SO I HAVE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS.
AND THEN, UM, RACHEL DRAFTED THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION REPORT, WHICH HAS A LITTLE BIT OF CASE HISTORY ON THE STREET NAME ITSELF.
WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME'S, OH, MY NAME'S CLAYTON WALLACE.
UH, I'M WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH A, A LITTLE PRESENTATION WITH Y'ALL REAL QUICK.
UM, IS THIS, IS THIS WORKING? LET'S SEE.
THIS IS THE, UH, THE MAP OF THE PROPOSED STREET NAME CHANGE OF, UH, CESAR CHAVEZ BOULEVARD TO DURANGO BOULEVARD.
THIS RUNS FROM SOUTHWEST 36TH STREET AND COUNCIL DISTRICT SIXTH, ALL THE WAY OVER TO, UH, SOUTH HACKBERRY STREET AND COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO.
UM, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY A, UH, CITY COUNCIL REQUEST OF, UH, DISTRICTS 1, 2, 5, AND SIX ON APRIL 13TH, UM, REQUESTING TO RENAME C CHAVEZ BOULEVARD TO DURANGO BOULEVARD.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S LOCATED IN THOSE DISTRICTS.
SO AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE ARE GONNA, UH, NEED TO CHANGE 295 ADDRESSES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST.
UM, WE'VE EMAIL OR SENT LETTERS TO 412, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THIS STRETCH.
THIS IS A MIX OF COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, UM, ALL TYPES OF USES.
THERE'S ALSO EIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AS A PART OF THIS.
IT'S, UH, DENVER HEIGHTS, THE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD, LA VACA, KING WILLIAM, HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE, PROSPECT HILL, LOS PALMAS AND LOS CARDENAS.
CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE? HERE WE GO.
SO, UM, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS WITH TWO COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSIONS BACK IN APRIL.
UH, THAT WAS IN APRIL 8TH IN DISTRICT FIVE AND SIX, AND THEN DISTRICT, UH, ON APRIL 11TH AND DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO.
AND SO THAT WAS THE, THE INITIAL PART OF THIS.
THE, UM, CCR WAS REQUESTED OR SUBMITTED ON, UH, APRIL 13TH.
WE WENT TO A GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE BACK ON MAY 20TH WHERE THEY RECOMMENDED, UM, THAT WE START THIS PROCESS.
UM, WE HAVE DONE OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW WHERE WE NOTIFY ALL CITY AGENCIES OF THE PROPOSED CHANGE AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY, UM, OPPOSITION SO FAR.
WE'VE GOTTEN SOME LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
WE ARE HERE ASKING FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT WEEK ON JUNE 24TH.
AND THEN, UH, TENTATIVELY APPEARING AT CITY COUNCIL IN AUGUST.
UH, RIGHT NOW OUR ESTIMATED COSTS ARE $305,000 AND 200, $305,200.
UM, THAT INCLUDES OUR APPLICATION FEE NOTIFICATION FEES TO ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND THEN THE REST ALL GOES TO SIGNAGE, AND THAT'S A SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, COSA SIGNS ALONG THE ACTUAL STREET AND THEN THE BIG TXDOT SIGNS ON THE HIGHWAY.
SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT MONEY GOES.
UM, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER IT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, UM, WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.
MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, UM, QUESTIONS? JUST MORE WANTED TO SET SOME SIDE TIME ASIDE FOR COMMENTS? SO I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THEN WE'RE, UH, LOOK FOR A MOTION.
I'LL DO A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE HAVE SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR.
I, I, UM, FEEL COMPELLED TO OPEN THE MIC.
UH, I'M ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY THAT, UH, CAMPAIGNED AND AND PLAYED A CENTRAL ROLE IN THE CHANGE OF THE NAME OF DURANGO TO CESAR CHAVEZ BOULEVARD.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT AND THE CONCERN, UM, I THINK THIS KIND OF A LEAVES A FOREGONE CONCLUSIONS OF, OF, UH, SUBJECT MATTER.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO, JUST TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT AT THE TIME THAT THE NAME C CHAVEZ WAS, UH, PRO PROPOSED AND, AND ACCEPTED FOR THE RENAME OF A STREET DOWNTOWN, IT, IT, IT IN
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ACTUALITY HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH C CHAVEZ AND MORE TO DO WITH A, A DIFFERENT CITY THAT AT THE TIME STILL, UM, UH, LOOKED DOWN QUITE A BIT ON THE POSSIBILITY THAT A MEXICAN AMERICAN WOULD HAVE A NAME, UH, ON A MAJOR STREET DOWNTOWN.IT REALLY, REALLY KIND OF AN ABSURD IDEA THAT, UH, A COMMUNITY WAS GONNA GET ONE OF THE MAIN STREETS NAMED AFTER A MEXICAN AMERICAN.
UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM SO WEIRD TODAY BECAUSE OF THE SUCCESSES OF THAT COMMUNITY OF, UM, OF, FROM THE LABOR COMMUNITY TO THE ACTIVIST COMMUNITY THAT WORKED SO HARD TO MAKE A, A, A DREAM COME TRUE, WHICH REALLY HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE VALUES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED, NOT JUST WITH C CHAVEZ, BUT THE VALUES THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF THOSE LEADERS OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
UH, I WANTED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ISN'T POSSIBLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO COME OUT OF SUCH A AGGRESSIVE ACTIVIST, UH, COMMUNITY AS MYSELF TO DIG A HOLE IN THE SAND AND STICK MY HEAD IN IT AND, UH, UH, TO, TO, UH, FIND THE, THE QUICKEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE WHEN OUR MAIN OBJECTIVE.
AND THAT GOES, UH, UH, ALSO WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE MILES OF, UH, OF, UH, DOOR TO DOOR, UH, UH, PETITIONING, UH, THAT THE MAIN OBJECTIVE WAS REALLY TO UPLIFT THE VALUES THAT WE BELIEVE THAT ARE IMPORTANT ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF MEXICAN AMERICANS, NOT ONLY IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT IN THE NATION AS A WHOLE.
YOU, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THAT OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT THE LARGEST, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, OF, UM, OF, UH, UM, OF CASUALTIES FROM, UH, THE VIETNAM WAR IN THE UNITED STATES IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF EDGEWOOD, BECAUSE AS MEXICAN AMERICANS GOT DRAFTED, THEIR FRIENDS WANTED TO GO AND FIGHT WITH THEM, AND THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD, UH, UM, VOLUNTEER, UH, ONE OF THE LARGEST NUMBERS OF, UH, UH, CONGRESSIONAL MEDALS OF HONOR MEXICAN AMERICANS, UH, UH, CIVIL RIGHTS, UH, SUCCESSES.
UH, ONE WOULD SAY THAT MEXICAN AMERICANS ARE BROWN IN COURT BECAUSE OF THE GARCIA CASE, THE GUS GARCIA WHO, WHO FOUGHT SO HARD, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY WAS GIVEN, UH, UH, EQUAL TIME IN IN THE COURTS WAS ALSO GIVEN EXTENDED TIME AT THE SUPREME COURT, WHICH WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY, VERY LITTLE DONE.
SO, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, THE NAME SISTER CHAVEZ SHOULD BE ON THE STREET.
BUT BECAUSE IT REALLY PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCILS, PARTICULARLY THOSE FOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I WOULD PUT ON NOTICE HERE, THAT THAT IS INCUMBENT ON THEM TO FIND A MEXICAN AMERICAN THAT CAN TAKE THE NAME OF DURANGO, THAT, THAT, THAT BATTLE WAS ALREADY WON.
THAT THAT SURELY WE WERE NOT, UH, LIKE ANY OTHER STREET, NAMING A STREET AFTER A PERSON, BUT SO MUCH MORE AFTER THE VALUES THAT WE HOLD SO IMPORTANT TO US HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND THIS PRESENTS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REMEMBER INDIVIDUALS LIKE HECTOR P GARCIA, OR GUS GARCIA, OR ALBERT PENA OR MARGARITA FUENTES, PLENTY OF LEADERS THAT THAT, THAT WE CAN, UM, UM, UH, SAY, UM, UH, EMBODY THE VALUES THAT WERE THE REASON WHY THIS COMMUNITY WORKS SO HARD TO, TO GAIN SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT FELT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE YOUTH OF THE CITY TO LOOK UP TO, TO BE ABLE TO SAY THERE'S A STREET NAMED EVER SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN DO THE HISTORY AND, AND, AND, AND FIND THAT, UM, THAT IMPORTANCE IN THEMSELVES.
AND, UM, UH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I, I, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, INCUMBENT ON MYSELF THAT I HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, UM, UM, MUCH OF, OF, OF THE STREET NAME CHANGE.
AND IN THAT ALSO CONTINUE THAT FIGHT THAT, UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GAIN ONE STREET AFTER SOMEONE THAT PERHAPS WE THOUGHT, UH, WAS THE EMBODIMENT OF OUR VALUES, THEN FOR SURE, UH, THERE DEFINITELY ARE OTHERS.
AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT, UH, NO ONE'S CHANGING THE NAME OF ANYTHING NAMED AFTER THOMAS JEFFERSON, WHO WE KNOW DID MUCH WORSE.
OR, OR ANDREW JACKSON WHO, UH, WAS THE HEAD OF THE INDIAN EXTERMINATION ACT, AS THEY CALL THE INDIAN REMOVAL ACT.
AND THAT, UM, SURELY THE, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE LESSON THAT WE'RE LEARNING THAT WE'RE LEARNING SHOULD BE A LESSON THAT'S LEARNED ACROSS THE BOARD.
BUT, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GROW, NOT TO LOOK BACKWARDS, BUT TO ACTUALLY LOOK FORWARD AND USE THIS AS A MOMENT FOR, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
THANK YOU, SIR, FOR THAT TIME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR.
JUST TO, UH, THE MOTION I DID WAS, UH, BASED ON REVIEW AND WHAT WE'RE ASKED FOR TODAY.
SO STAFF FINDING CI THINK IS WHERE I FIND THAT STAFF HAS, UM, COME UP WITH THE REASONING WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OF, THERE'S
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NOT MENTION OF A PAST NAME, BUT WHY THE NEW NAME.AND I THINK THAT'S OUR FOCUS TODAY AND THAT'S OUR PURVIEW.
SO THIS IS WHY I MADE THE MOTION AS IT STATES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
I'D LIKE, OH, I'M SORRY TO SAY SOMETHING, MR. MAZUA.
UM, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY COMMITTEE MEMBER, UH, QUEZ.
AND, UH, IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS HAS, UH, PASSED THROUGH, UM, THROUGH A LOT OF VETTING, BUT I THINK IT WAS RUSHED AND I TOO AGREE THAT WE'VE MISSED THE BOAT IN BEING ABLE TO SELECT ANOTHER PERSON WHO IS MEXICAN AMERICAN.
I MEAN, DURANGO IS A CITY IN, IN MEXICO THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM MEXICAN AMERICAN.
AND, UM, I AGREE WITH, WITH, UM, GABRIEL'S SUGGESTION, I JUST THINK WE'VE MISSED THE BOAT OR THE CITY ADMINISTRATION HAS MISSED THE BOAT, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE THIS A QUICK CHANGEOVER.
I MEAN, I JUST REALLY GOT USED TO CESAR CHAVEZ, BUT IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME.
I WELCOMED THE CHANGE BACK TO DURANGO, BUT I THINK WE COULD HAVE DONE BETTER.
FOR THIS ITEM, GIMME ONE MOMENT.
WE'VE GOT, UM, ONE INDIVIDUAL IN PERSON AND THEN A FEW ONLINE.
FRANCISCO, I'M, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, PRESENT AND THEN LET ME KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT I'M NOT SEEING THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED AS A PANELIST.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW, COREY? YES, YES I CAN.
AND THEN AUBREY SHOULD ALSO BE ON THE LINE, OUR SIDE
MICHELLE, LET'S TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AND THEN IF THEY WANT A FULL PRESENTATION, THEN YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE SLIDES.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES, THANK YOU FOR, UM, UM, BEING HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I HAVE, OOPS, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT, LET'S SEE, LEMME GET THE CASE UP, THE REVIEW.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO, BUT THEY DO HAVE A STIPULATION.
THEY DO HAVE A CONCERN ON STIPULATION ONE, THAT ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS BE CONSIDERED FOR CIRCULATION CONNECTOR CLADDING, UM, AS STAFF HAS CONCERNS REGARDING THE BLOCK MASSING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, ALTERNATIVELY, THEY ALSO RECOMMEND, UH, CHANGE IN MATERIALS TO REDUCE THE STRUCTURES PERCEIVED MASSING.
I'VE HAD A A CONCERN ABOUT THE MASSING AT THAT JUNCTURE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME, AND I AGREE WITH STAFFS, UH, CONCERN THERE.
HOWEVER, THAT IS A LARGE DESIGN ELEMENT, A LARGE VOLUMETRIC ELEMENT AND A LOT OF MATERIAL, UM, THEY'RE SUGGESTING A CHANGE IN MATERIAL.
HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED WHAT THAT MIGHT BE AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE INSTALLED TO MEET STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, WE, WE DID GET THE STIPULATIONS AND I THINK THAT WAS WHAT COMMENT, UH, TOO, THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS PRIOR TO SUBMITTING OUR NEXT, UH, PERMIT SET.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK FOR US WAS KIND OF KEEN WITH THAT MATERIAL, ITS INITIAL SELECTION BEING A PRECAST FINISH.
YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO REALLY DEVELOP THE MIX AND REALLY DEFINE REALLY WHAT THAT WAS.
'CAUSE I THINK DURING OUR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW IT WAS STILL VERY MUCH A CONCEPT.
UM, AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE DID QUITE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET SAMPLES AND REALLY PRODUCE A MIX THAT WE FELT WAS RICH, BUT THAT ALSO PAID HOMAGE TO THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING.
SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, WE DO HEAR THAT THE STIPULATION AND THAT THERE'S STILL SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE ARE CONSIDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF CHANGING IT OR ADDING SOME ARTICULATION TO THAT, WHETHER IT'S A CHANGE, UH, A MATERIAL TO LIKE A METAL PANEL FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, WE ARE A BIT CHALLENGED, UH, BECAUSE BEHIND THAT WALL WE DO HAVE A REALLY THICK SHEAR WALL COMING DOWN, UH, TO THE GROUND LEVEL.
UM, SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAREFUL TOO, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD SELECT SOMETHING THAT ALSO MAKES, YOU KNOW, SENSE.
UM, SO WE ARE STILL WEIGHING THE OPTIONS FOR THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT WE WANNA DO THERE.
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UH, WHETHER IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE PRECAST WITH MAYBE A METAL PANEL OF SOME SORT.UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEFINING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CHANGE PRIOR TO OUR PERMIT SET.
AND I ASSUME ALSO THAT THAT MATERIAL WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE UPPER PENTHOUSE AREA AS IT GOES HORIZONTALLY ACROSS THE ROOF AND THEN ALONG THE WEST SIDE ON THE RIVERSIDE AS WELL, CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, THERE'S A LETTER IN OUR PACKAGE ABOUT THE HERTZBERG CLOCK BEING IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND I NOTICED IN ONE OF YOUR DRAWINGS YOU DO CALL IT OUT AND SAY PRESERVE THE UH, UH, CLOCK.
UM, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY NOTATION ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE PACKAGE ABOUT, UH, PRESERVATION ACTIONS ON THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT? WHETHER IT GETS CORDONED OFF, DOES IT GET COVERED? RIGHT, SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN OUR SITE PLAN.
UM, IT MIGHT BE PAGE 22 HERE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY.
UM, THE IDEA THOUGH IS TO BASICALLY JUST LEAVE THE CLOCK AS IS.
WE UNDERSTAND, UH, THAT IT JUST WENT THROUGH A PRESERVATION EFFORT TO GET IT RESTORED.
UM, SO THE CLOCK WILL STAY WHERE IT'S AT.
UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN THOUGH, WITH THE PLAQUE.
UM, SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE COULD CREATE A PATH, UH, FOR THE NEW SIDEWALK AND BASICALLY STREET, STREET SCAPE MODIFICATIONS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RECODE MM-HMM
UM, SO THE CLOCK WILL STAY AS IF, AND THEN THE PLAQUE WAS THE ONLY PIECE THAT MAY JUST LIKE SLIGHTLY MOVE.
UM, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE LIKE A FOOT AT MOST.
AND SO ARE YOU DOING ANY PROTECTION MITIGATION FOR THE SIDEWALK AND THE PLANTERS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? UH, WE ARE PR, WE ARE PROPOSING, SO THE, BASICALLY THE TREES THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE SOUTH END MM-HMM
WE'RE PROPOSING THAT ALL OF THAT BASICALLY STAY OR REMAIN THE SAME.
UM, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BILL HAS PROPOSED A LARGER PLANTER JUST SO THAT THOSE TREES COULD BASICALLY CONTINUE TO GROW, UM, AND BE HEALTHY IN A, IN A HEALTHIER CONDITION BASICALLY THAN WE ARE TODAY.
THOSE ARE MY QUE MY TWO MAIN QUESTIONS.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER GROUP? I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT, UH, STIPULATION ONE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT COME UP WITH ANY NEW, UH, IDEAS FOR THIS MEETING.
RIGHT? SO WHEN THE APPLICANT SAYS THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, WE KEEP IT AS A, AS A STIPULATION AND THEN IT'S UP TO YOU TO REVIEW IT BEFORE THEY GET FINAL.
IT JUST SAYS THAT A FROM CONCEPTUAL HAS NOT BEEN MET.
SO UNLESS THE STIPULATION WOULD BE TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, IT COULD BE, UM, WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND SO, UH, THE APPLICANT OPTED TO STAY ON CONSENT BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE THEY COULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS AND WORK WITH STAFF.
AND SO I THINK IF WE GOT TO A IMPASSE AND FELT LIKE THERE WASN'T A MATERIAL THAT WAS PROPOSED TO STAFF THAT KIND OF MET THE INTENT OF THAT, WE WOULD BRING IT BACK HERE.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT ABOUT THE MASSING, IT'S JUST A PERCEPTION OF MASSING.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING CHANGES, NOT SUGGESTING THAT, UM, THE SETBACK BE INCREASED, BUT WE'RE ASKING THAT THE MATERIAL CLADDING BE LOOKED AT TO ALLEVIATE THAT CONCERN.
SOMETHING WITH A LIGHTER APPEARS.
SO YOU CAN'T BE APPROVE IT HERE WITH THAT STIPULATION.
YOU'LL STILL BE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT? CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, YOU COULD ALSO, UM, ADD DETAILED THE STIPULATION THAT THAT MATERIAL SELECTION RETURN HERE AT A FUTURE DATE.
UM, AND THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION, BUT WOULD THEY STILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT? 'CAUSE I'M SURE THERE'S LOANS AND LIKE ALL KINDS OF OTHER STUFF.
YEAH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START THE PERMITTING PROCESS WHILE THAT IS KIND OF WORKED ON.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN, ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR.
COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO, IF, UM, YOU MAY PROVIDE ME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLANS ON THE CLOCK, SO THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF THE CLOCK.
COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT SOMEWHAT? UH, YES.
WE, WE DID MEET WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY ON THAT INDIVIDUAL PIECE.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT AGAIN, IT'S GONE THROUGH SOME REPAIRS AND, UM, BASICALLY THE CLOCK WOULD JUST REMAIN UNTOUCHED, SO WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE WERE BASICALLY PROPOSING WAS TO JUST MOVE THE SMALL PLAQUES AT THE GROUND LEVEL PIECE.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD MEET, UH, CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND FOR CLARITY.
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ME IF I MISSED THIS.ARE THERE ANY PROTECTIONARY MEASURES BEING TAKEN TO PROTECT THE CLOCK FROM, FROM OUR END? I THINK THE ONLY THING WE COULD DO IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT BECOMES BASICALLY UNTOUCHED AND THAT WE DO NEED TO DO OR PROPOSE OR COORDINATE ANY TYPE OF BARRIER TO HELP PROTECT THAT.
SO IF THERE'S LIKE AN ENCLOSURE OR SOMETHING THAT WE NEED, WE COULD DO THAT RAPID.
SO, SO SOMETHING WE COULD DO IS EVEN JUST WRAP THE, THE CLOCK ITSELF IN LIKE, PLYWOOD OR JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROTECTED AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE DOING ANY OF THE STUDENTS GATE MODIFICATIONS, THEY'RE NOT TOUCHING IT.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN HISTORIC CLOCK PRESERVATION, BUT I'M THINKING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF TREE PROTECTION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING THERE.
UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN IRREPLACEABLE MM-HMM
SO, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A, HAVE A PROTECTION PLAN IN PLACE, NOT UNLIKE A TREE PROTECTION PLAN.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY, UH, CONTINUE TO COORDINATE AND WE HAVE TO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROTECTED.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN TO, OF COURSE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THE SITE PLAN.
SEE THAT, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PLAZA, Y'ALL ARE REMOVING SOME STEPS BY THE OTHER BUILDING AND PUTTING IN AN ACCESSIBLE RAMP DOWN TO A MID-LEVEL SIDEWALK, WHICH PARALLELS THE RIVER.
UH, WAS THERE EVER ANY CONSIDERATION TO EXTEND THAT ACCESSIBLE ROUTE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIVERWALK? UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, WAS FOR US TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT INTERMEDIATE, UH, MEZZANINE ACCESSIBLE FOR A DA REASONS.
UM, I DON'T RECALL THOUGH THAT THERE WAS BASICALLY A REQUIREMENT TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RIVER WALK.
MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A REQUIREMENT, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE CREATING A NEW PUBLIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT HERE, UH, WHETHER Y'ALL HAD CONSIDERED PROVIDING THAT ACCESS TO AND FROM THE RIVER MM-HMM
UH, YOU, THE, THE OTHER THING TOO, THEY WERE JUST BEING SENSITIVE ABOUT, UM, WAS ALSO JUST, THEY WERE BASICALLY ABOVE ALL EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO A LOT OF THE PLANTERS THAT YOU SEE THERE JUST WAS OF THAT MEZZANINE.
BASICALLY ALL OF THAT FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT WILL BECOME UNTOUCHED.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE DOING THERE IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE LANDSCAPING AND THE LIGHTING GET UPDATED.
UM, AND THEN WAS ALSO OUR BELIEF THAT THERE WAS ALSO AN ELEVATOR NEARBY FOR RADIO ACCESS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
ONE LAST QUESTION TO THAT ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME, UM, HOW CLOSE THAT ELEVATOR IS TO THE RAMP IMPROVEMENT THAT YOU ARE MAKING? FOR INSTANCE, SOMEBODY WALKING FROM THE PLAZA ONTO THE RAMP FINDS OUT THAT THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, BUT DOWN OTHER STAIRS THEY'RE GOING TO BACK UP.
HOW DO THEY GET TO THE CLOSEST ELEVATOR HERE? SO WE, THE ONLY THING THAT I KNOW OF RIGHT NOW THAT PERTAINS TO BEING EXTERIOR ARE THE STEPS.
UM, SO IT'S ALL BASICALLY STAIRS.
'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A FEW, UM, ELEVATORS, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY INTERNAL TO OUR BASEMENT AND WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING MUCH WITH THE BASEMENT RIGHT NOW.
BUT IN THE PUBLIC REALM, WHERE'S THE CLOSEST ELEVATOR? I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ONE JUST ACROSS, UM, ON HOUSTON STREET, SO THAT, THAT MAY REQUIRE THEM TO DO OR MEANDER BASICALLY AROUND OUR TERRACE.
SO YOU SEE THERE IN THE DARK BROWN TO BRIDGE OVER TO HOUSTON STREET AND COME DOWN, THERE IS A PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE ELEVATOR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOUSTON STREET FROM THIS PROJECT.
SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT, A HUNDRED, 200 FOOT DISTANCE? IT'S AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET, CORRECT.
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AT LEAST A HUNDRED FEET AT LEAST.UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO INCLUDE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, UH, SUBMITTING SIGNAGE ON THIS, UM, PACKAGE, BUT INCLUDE SIGNAGE AT THAT RAMP THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT DOES NOT TAKE THEM TO THE RIVERWALK? YES.
I DON'T SEE THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN.
UH, WE DID SUBMIT A SIGNAGE PACKAGE ALONG WITH ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTATION, SO IF WE DO NEED TO ADD THAT AND LOOK AT A LOCATION FOR THAT, WE CONCERN WE ADD THAT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT CAN BE A CONCERN OF ACCESSIBILITY, IS YOU SEND PEOPLE ONE WAY AND THEN THEY HAVE TO BACKTRACK, UH, TO GET DOWN TO THE RIVERWALK, WHICH IS WHERE THEY REALLY WANT TO GO.
OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, SIR.
MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION? UM, WELL, SIR, I, I JUST WANNA, UH, COMPLIMENT THEM IN SUCH A COMPLEX SOLUTION.
UH, I, I LIKE THE, THE, THE, UM, THE RIVERSIDE, UH, ELEVATION.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO, NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER GRU? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE MOTION MAKER WHETHER HE WOULD BE AMENABLE TO AN AMENDMENT TO HIS MOTION TO INCLUDE UNDER STIPULATION NUMBER ONE THAT THE, UM, MATERIAL AND INSTALLATION CHOICE OF SAID VOLUME RETURN TO HDRC OR RETURN TO THE COMMISSION? YES, SIR.
UTILIZING THAT LANGUAGE, MR. CHAIR? UH, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE MOTION.
DOES THE SECOND CONCUR HER? YES.
I, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSSED IT HERE, UM, AND FELT LIKE STAFF LEAVING STAFF THE OPTION TO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FAIR ENOUGH THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK, IT WASN'T CONSENT.
NOW WE ARE MAKING A STIPULATION SO IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK, CORRECT? MM-HMM
SO THE DIFFERENCE, YEAH, IF, UM, IF I CAN JUST ADD YES.
FOR, FOR SOMETHING SO SIGNIFICANT, SO VISIBLE ON THE BUILDING, I THINK, UM, THAT MORE EYES AND MORE CONSIDERATION COULD BE A GOOD THING.
AND THE, UH, APPLICANT DOES HAVE AN OPTION TO REQUEST A DRC IF THEY WANT FURTHER, UH, COMMISSION COMMENTS BEFORE THEY COME BACK FOR THE FINAL ON THAT.
UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, KATE, THIS IS 4 0 5 CLUB, UM, SETH WILCOXON, THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE PRESENT.
DOES HE APPEAR TO BE ONLINE? THE OTHER NAME? UH, SETH WILCOXON IS THE ONLY NAME I HAVE.
NO, I DON'T SEE ANYONE BY THAT NAME.
CAN STAFF ANSWER QUESTIONS? I, YES.
I HAVE ONE FOR THE APPLICANT AND I HAVE ONE FOR Y'ALL TOO FOR STAFF.
UM, MY QUESTION, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, UM, I SEE THAT THERE WAS A COA ALREADY ISSUED FOR THIS.
UM, WHY IS IT COMING TO US? WE ISSUED ONE, UM, BASICALLY FOR TEMPORARY APPROVAL SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE IT RIGHT AWAY WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR THE COMMISSION.
UM, BUT THE UDC DOES NOT ALLOW FOR INSTALLATION OF A PERMANENT LONG-TERM RAMP ON THE FRONT FACADE.
AND SO IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IT'S HERE TO REMAIN IN PLACE BEYOND TEMPORARY APPROVAL.
UM, BECAUSE I FIGURED IF THEY'RE GETTING AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, THEY COULD JUST COME BACK AND A YEAR OR TWO AND RENEW THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE QUESTION I HAD FOR THE OWNER WAS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD.
MIGHT THERE BE A MORE APPROPRIATE
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LOCATION FOR THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT ON LOCATION CHOICE? SURE.UM, WHAT CONVERSATIONS HAD BEEN HAD WITH THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF, UM, LOCATION.
MANY TIMES THESE REQUESTS DO COME TO US WITH AN, AN IMMEDIATE NEED, UM, BASED ON THE, THE END USER ULTIMATELY.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT DOES KIND OF FIND US TO BE IN A TRICKY SPOT IN TERMS OF HOW IS THAT CONVERSATION HAD.
BUT I CANNOT SPEAK PERSONALLY TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE PARTICULAR CASE MANAGER OF THIS REQUEST.
I THINK THIS IS PROPOSED BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST DIRECT ROUTE BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THEY PARK AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE HOME.
UM, AND MR. MR. CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION.
PER THE, PER THE GOOGLE MAP, THE DRIVEWAY GOES ALL THE WAY INTO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S ALREADY ANOTHER LANDING, ANOTHER SET OF STAIRS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD IS SPEAKING TO.
I JUST WANNA GET THAT ANSWER FROM THE, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO WHAT THEY HAVE NOW, THEY CAN INSTALL WHAT THEY HAVE, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'VE REQUESTED, CORRECT.
BUT IT JUST WOULDN'T BE FOR A PERMANENT SOLUTION? CORRECT.
SO THE EMERGENCY HAS BEEN ABATED FOR RIGHT NOW IT BECAUSE THEY, UM, HAVE BEEN GRANTED APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A RAMP? YEAH.
YES, I MIGHT, I MIGHT JUST BE A LITTLE CONFUSED, BUT NOW THE MATERIALITY SAYS IT'S ALUMINUM, SO IT'S IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE WHAT WE SEE NOWADAYS.
SO HOW, HOW DOES THAT QUALIFY AS A PERMANENT, IS IT JUST A MATTER OF TIME? SO YEAH, IT IS A TEMPORARY RAMP IN TERMS OF THE TYPE IT IS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT THEY WANT TO KEEP IT FOR, IT'S ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME IS THE DISCUSSION.
AND SO THEY'RE WANTING IT FOR LONG-TERM USE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ALREADY APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY JUST TEMPORARY USE BECAUSE THEY NEEDED IT RIGHT AWAY.
UM, SO THE HEARING IS TO REMEDY THE TIME ISSUE, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, MR. TO CHAIR, SINCE THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE, CAN WE POSTPONE THE ITEM TO NEXT MEETING? UH, THAT'S POSSIBLE.
THE, UH, REVIEW DATE GOES UNTIL AUGUST 2ND.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THEM REMOVE IT BEFORE THE NEXT HEARING, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT WHILE WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION? I MOVE FOR THIS ITEM TO BE MOVED TO THE NEXT MEETING? YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND.
UH, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER G**O? NO COMMENT RIGHT NOW, SIR.
COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO? NO COMMENT, SIR.
COMMISSIONER GRU? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO COMMENTS.
THANK COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR.
UM, WE HAVE A MO A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
WHO SECONDED THE MOTION? OKAY, THANK YOU.
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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 1 4 7 3 1 NORTH PALMETTO.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE, CONSTRUCTED TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 7 3 1 NORTH PALMETTO.
THIS STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED ON THE WESTERN HALF OF THE LOT AND FEATURE AN ORIENTATION TOWARD BURNETT STREET.
THIS STRUCTURE IS REFERRED TO AS THE BURNETT STRUCTURE AND STAFF'S FINDINGS.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 7 3 1 NORTH PALMETTO.
THIS STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED AT THE EASTERN HALF OF THE LOT AND FEATURE AN ORIENTATION TOWARD NORTH PALMETTO.
THIS STRUCTURE IS REFERRED TO AS THE NORTH PALMETTO STRUCTURE AND STAFF'S FINDINGS.
UH, RECOMMENDATION STAFF NUMBER ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION FACING BURNETT STREET STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A STRUCTURE THAT FEATURES PLACEMENT AND MASSING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AROUND, EXCUSE ME, FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
TYPICALLY, A STRUCTURE AT THIS LOCATION WOULD FEATURE REDUCED MASSING IN COMPARISON TO THE STRUCTURE FACING NORTH PALMETTO TO APPEAR AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR WOULD FEATURE AN ORIENTATION AND MASSING SIMILAR TO OTHER STRUCTURES FACING BURNETT.
SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE PROPOSED DESIGN FOR THE BRUNETTE STRUCTURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED.
THE REPORT TRAILING DETAIL SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, AS NOTED TO FINDING ONE
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H THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.ALL SQUARE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE DIVISIONS OR BE OPERABLE THAT THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION TO BE ADDED TO THE FIRST LEVEL ON THE EAST FACADE AND THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION FACING NORTH PALMETTO WITH APPALLING STIPULATIONS THAT A PORCH RAILING DETAIL BE PROVIDED.
THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE STANDARD, UM, SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT A TAPERING PROFILE WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FRONT WALKWAYS AND PROFILE SHOULD IT NEED TO INCREASE FROM FOUR FOOT AND WIDTH TO MEET THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH STEPS.
AND AGAIN, THAT ALL AQUINA MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND WE DO HAVE APPLICANT GUEST SPA RIVERA OCTAVIO.
AND, UM, IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS, WE ADDRESS, UH, MOST ALL OF RECOMMENDATIONS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.
PALMETTO, I THINK I'M GONNA CONCENTRATE ON BURN IT.
UM, THE BASIC PROBLEM WITH BURN IT IS THE MASSING TOWARDS, TOWARDS, UH, BURN IT.
AND THIS CONVEYS TO THE FACT THAT, UH, THE WAY THE THE LOT IS CONFIGURED DOES NOT ALLOW US TO, UH, ORIENT THE, THE HOUSE IN A DIFFERENT WAY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, UH, FRONTAGE THAT'S LESS THAN 50 FEET.
WE'VE ALREADY REDUCED IT TO 50 FEET, AND WE ALSO CHANGED THE LAYOUT INTO AN L SHAPE SO THAT WE CAN ABSORB SO THAT SOME OF THAT MASSING.
UH, WE'RE ALSO CHANGING COLORS AND MATERIALS TO HELP WITH THIS, UM, PERCEPTION OF, OF THE MASSIVE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND ADDING TO THAT, WE HAVE, UH, TREES THAT HELPS US, UH, SCREEN, UH, SOME OF THE IMPACT THAT THIS HOUSE MAY HAVE.
UH, DURING THIS PAST FEW WEEKS, WE WORK MANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED, SUCH AS, UH, RAISING THE FOUNDATION, UH, 24 INCHES.
AND ALSO IN THE BURNETT STRUCTURE, WE SWITCHED THE CARPORT SO THAT WE COULD CREATE A BUFFER AND SOMEHOW, UH, DISTANCE OURSELF FROM THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE.
AND I'M OPEN FOR, FOR QUESTIONS WITH THIS REGARD, COMMISSIONER SINO.
OH, UM, THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS FOR STAFF.
UM, YOU'VE, YOU'RE APPROACHING THIS AS TWO SEPARATE LOTS, TWO SEPARATE ITEMS, HOUSE ONE IN HIGH HOUSE TWO, CORRECT.
SO THEY, UM, STAND INDEPENDENTLY.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO ONE SEPARATE OF THE OTHER.
OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I, COMMISSIONER GRUIN.
UM, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'VE WORKED ON IT, BUT THAT'S PRIOR TO STAFF REVIEWING, RIGHT? SO STAFF, YOU, THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE REVIEWED? THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY CHANGES.
THE STIPULATION STANDS AFTER, UM, MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ACTUALLY SHED SOME LIGHT HERE AS, UM, I MEAN, WE, OUR ESTEEM WORD IS OUT
WE HAD, WE HAD SOME DRCS AND SO THERE'S BEEN SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND FOR THE MOST PART YOU'VE INCORPORATED ALL OF THOSE.
AND I THINK WE'RE MORE SUCCESSFUL ON THE, THE FRONT FACING, UH, FIRST STRUCTURE.
UM, STAFF STILL HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE MASSING OF THE SECOND, AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S INFORMING OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND, WHICH IS FACING PALMETTO OR THE SECOND PROPERTY FACING BURNETT, THAT'S BURNETT, RIGHT? FACING BURNETT.
WHICH COLOR IS FACING BURNETT? SO, AND THE, UH, NOT THE BLUE ONE,
BUT, UM, SO TO THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU, YOU SEE THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF? CORRECT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO THOSE, UH, STIPULATIONS? SO IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE FRONTAGE OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE IT WAS BEYOND THE 50 FEET, WE WERE ORIGINALLY ALMOST AT 60 FEET, UH, WE ARE GONNA REQUEST A VARIANCE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, RELOCATE THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT ALLOW US TO REDUCE THE FRONT AND ALSO REDESIGN THE HOUSE.
WE COMPLETELY DESIGNED FROM THE FIRST SUBMITTAL TO A WAY THAT WE COULD CREATE THAT L SHAPE AND REDUCE THE IMPRESSION OF THE MASSIVE TOWARDS THE STREET.
SO WE DID, UH, IN, IN THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UH, RESPOND TO, TO THE VEST THAT THE LOT ALLOWS US TO, UH, AND, AND, AND REDUCE
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THE MASSIVE.SO, BUT THE OTHER STIPULATIONS ARE LIKE RAILING PORCH, RAILING WINDOWS, ADDITIONAL FENESTRATIONS.
OH, WE'VE ALREADY COVERED ALL OF THAT.
YES, WE HAVE RESPONDED TO ALL OF THOSE.
WELL, NOT REALLY IN WHAT'S PRESENTED TODAY.
NOT IN WHAT'S PRESENTED TODAY, THE RAILING PORCH RAILINGS AND, UM, THE WINDOWS.
IF WE HAVE THE LATEST SET OF PLANS HERE, ALL OF THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
WE SUBMITTED, UH, THE SPEC SHEETS.
UH, SO I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE WINDOWS IS, UH, THE TYPE OF WINDOWS YOU HAVE, LIKE THESE SQUARE WINDOWS.
AND YOU, WE ALSO ASKED IN ONE OF THE, YOU WANNA SHOW THE, THE PICTURE YOU HAD, YOU WANT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATIONS ON NO, THERE'S ANOTHER FACADE RIGHT? ON THE WHITE ONE, RIGHT? YES.
ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
AND THEN THOSE SQUARE WINDOWS ARE NORMALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE WINDOWS.
AND SO THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, THERE WAS TWO DRCS, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MY COMMISSIONERS ON, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO DRC AND THEN NOW WHAT WE SEE, ARE WE MOVING FORWARD, COMMISSIONER OR, UM, LET'S SEE, REGARDING MATERIALS THERE, I THINK ONE OF THE EARLIER DRCS, WE HAD SOME MATERIAL CHANGES AND REQUESTS.
THOSE HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, RESPONDED TO, UH, MOST OF THE WINDOWS.
UM, I GUESS A COUPLE OF THE ENDURING QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE HAD THROUGH ALL OF THE DRCS DID ADDRESS THE MASSING, THE HEIGHT, SOME OF THE ROOF ORIENTATIONS AS WELL AS THE WINDOWS.
WOULD THAT APPLY TO ALL FOUR OR SPECIFICALLY TO THE BURNETT FACING PROPERTIES? THAT WAS, UM, FOR ALL OF THEM.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE, UH, MAYBE, UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER CAN EXPLAIN ABOUT THE, TALK MORE ABOUT THE PALMETTO BUILDING.
I'VE BEEN MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRANSITION OF THE NEW INTO THE HISTORIC STREET FACE ON BURNETT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON.
AND, AND SO THE BURNETT HAS NOT CHANGED IN ITS MASSING.
WE DID, UM, ASK THEM TO TRY MOVING THE CARPORT OVER TO THE WEST TO HELP AMELIORATE THAT HEIGHT DIFFERENCE.
BUT IT, IN MY OBSERVATION, IT, IT AFFECTS IT MINIMALLY.
MR. CHAIR, JUST FOR REFERENCE FOR THE CONVERSATION THAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE HAVING, THE BLUE HOUSE SHOWS TWO DIFFERENT SITES, ONE WITH TWO TREES, AND ONE THAT'S PRACTICALLY ON THE STREET.
WHICH ONE ARE WE SAYING IS THE ONE THAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT? THE, THE ONE ONE IS FACING PALMED AND THE OTHER ONE'S FACING BURNETT.
BUT, BUT ONE OF THEM HAS TWO VERSIONS.
THE VERSION UP THERE AND THE VERSION IN OUR PACKAGE, IT HAS A YARD WITH TWO TREES.
SO IN THIS PHOTO, THE ONE ON THE, OR THE, CAN YOU GO BACK, CAITLIN? THE IMAGE ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM, IS THAT THE ONE, ARE THOSE EXISTING TREES? WE HAVE EXISTING TREES, CORRECT.
AND THEN, SO ON THE UPPER ONE, YOU TOOK THE TREES OUT SO THAT WE COULD SEE THE HOUSES EXACTLY, MM-HMM
SO WHEN, UH, EARLY DRC, THERE WAS SOME, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROOF LINE THAT ON THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER, UH, THE ROOF LINE OVER THE STAIRWELL, WHICH HAS THE, THE NATURAL WOOD SIDING, UH, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH HOW THAT ROOF PITCH.
MET, MET UP WITH THE MAIN ROOF.
THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, DROPPING THE RIDGE HEIGHT BY LOWERING THE PLATE HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE IN BOTH BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT THEN THAT'S SORT OF, UH, SOMEWHAT NEGATED BY RAISING THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT.
BUT, UH, WE DID GET THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR DOWN, UM, TO MINIMIZE THAT.
UH, THERE, UH, THERE HAS BEEN CONCERN ON THE, THE BURNETT HOUSE, AND I WOULD AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT DEFINITELY WINDOWS ON THE, THAT WHITE WALL OF THE BURNETT HOUSE NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
UM, THE, THE FACT THAT THE THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT PAINTED ALL THE SAME COLOR,
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UH, WAS AN EFFORT TO, UH, SORT OF BREAK UP THE, THE MASSING AND TO LOOK MORE LIKE TWO STRUCTURES AS OPPOSED TO ONE, UH, ONE BIG WALL FACING BURN.I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, AND I'LL TAKE A STAB AT A MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER ZUKA? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR.
QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER RESO? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONER GROOVE, YOU'D LIKE TO CRAFT A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL JUST DO A, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AND TWO WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION, IF I MAY JUST CLARIFY.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT I CAN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF HAVING ONE OF THE PROPERTIES, UH, FACE B BURNETT, RIGHT? UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE ALSO THAT THERE IS SOME WORK TO DO AROUND STILL, UM, WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS BEEN, UM, ADDED AND THEN THE MASSING.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GO IN DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S BEEN DRCS, I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANOTHER DRC, I'M JUST ASKING FOR IF YOU COME BACK FOR FINAL, THAT HAS TO BE A VERY CLEAR DISTINCTION OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY.
AND THEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE STIPULATIONS AND THEN COME BACK.
SO I THINK THE WINDOWS IS ONE IMPORTANT THING.
SO THOSE, AND, AND IF YOU WANNA COME BACK WITH A PRESENTATION SHOWING, YOU KNOW, OTHER TYPES OF WINDOWS OR COME WITH STAFF, BUT THE SQUARE WINDOWS IN A PROMINENT, IT'S A CORNER LOT, WHICH IS DIFFICULT, RIGHT? SO IT'S VERY VISIBLE, IT'S VERY PROMINENT.
SO THE SQUARE WINDOWS BEING ON THAT, WHAT WE SEE ON THE CORNER RIGHT HERE ON THE WINDOWS, THE TOP FLOOR OF THAT BLUE STRUCTURE MM-HMM
YOU HAVE SQUARE WINDOWS ON ONE SIDE, SQUARE WINDOWS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE APPROVED SQUARE WINDOWS MAYBE IN THE BACK OR LESS VISIBLE, YOU KNOW, MORE IN A BATHROOM.
BUT HERE WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT FACADE REALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SECOND STORE AND THE WHITE WALL THAT YOU SEE ON THE BURNETT FACING HOUSE, IT'S THE SAME THING, RIGHT? WE NEED SOME MORE HISTORIC WINDOWS.
AND IF WE LOOK AT PAGE WHERE YOU SEE KIND OF THE FRONT GO TO PAGE, SO MORE THAN WINDOWS SPECIFICATION MATERIALS IS REALLY LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT WE, UH, WE REQUIRE.
THERE'S ONE THAT HAS THE DESIGNS.
BUT LET'S LOOK AT PAGE 16, I GUESS THERE YOU CAN SEE ON THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT? THE WHITE WALL WHEN WE CALL THE WHITE HOUSE.
SO THE ONE FIRST THING WE'RE GONNA, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHERE THERE'S MISSING THESE HISTORIC ELEMENTS AND WINDOWS.
AND YOU MIGHT JUSTIFY THERE'S BATHROOMS AND KITCHENS, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA SEE THOSE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, EVEN ON THE FRONT, THE CARPORT, THERE WAS NO COMMENTS ON THE CARPORTS FROM STAFF.
I JUST EVEN WOULD SAY TO THE APPLICANT, REMOVE IT TOTALLY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU SELL IT, WHOEVER'S THE OWNER WILL FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PARK IN SHADE.
I JUST DON'T WANNA CREATE A VISUAL THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, GARAGE OR SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPROVED LATER.
I DON'T THINK WE, WE DON'T SEE THAT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I THINK THE PORCH RAILING NEEDS SOME WORK.
UH, JUST ADDING, YOU KNOW, A METAL PORCH RAILING.
I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVEN THE TWO PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS ON THE PORCH RAILING.
UM, AND I THINK ON THE MASSING, CAN YOU MAYBE JUST, WHY IS THE BURNETT ROOF HIGHER THAN THE PALMETTO ROOF? IS IT THE HOUSE? OR IS IT BECAUSE THE STREET GOES UP? NO, IT IS BECAUSE THE PITCH IS HIGHER.
SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO KIND OF MAYBE WHAT'S MAKING THE PALMETTO HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ROOF RIDGE.
AND I'M ASKING YOU TO REDESIGN.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO REDESIGN.
I'M JUST, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE VISUALIZE CAN JUST MAKE IT LOOK, YOU KNOW, SMALLER? AND THAT'S WHY IT'S CONCEPTUAL FOR ME IN THIS MOTION.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME WORK TO DO BEFORE WE GET TO FINAL.
UM, WAS THERE THE STIPULATIONS? I THINK I, AS I, I THINK I TALKED ABOUT ALL THE STIPULATIONS AND I'LL COME BACK.
SO, UH, WE'LL GO THROUGH FOR COMMENTS.
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HAMMOND, NO COMMENTS CHAIR, NO COMMENT.COMMISSIONER MAZUA, NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER TSO, NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER SINO? UH, YES, I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
UM, AS YOU WORK FURTHER ON THIS, UM, YOU CAN COME BACK TO A DRC OH, JUST KNOW THAT, WHETHER IT'S REQUESTED OR REQUIRED, THAT'S A, UH, A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME BACK TO DRC, UM, FOR FEEDBACK.
UM, ONE COMMENT ON SHEET 1 0 3, YOU SHOW A TOOL THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL AND THAT IS A STREET ELEVATION.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU, UM, WHILE WORKING ON THE PACKAGE UPDATE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOUR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN TERMS OF HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE BUNGALOWS NEXT DOOR.
I TRULY THINK THAT THE ELEVATIONS YOU'VE DROPPED IN THERE ARE NOT QUITE RIGHT.
THEY LOOK FOUR TO EIGHT FEET TOO SHORT.
RELAT RELATIVE TO THE BUNGALOWS.
BUNGALOWS HAVE PROBABLY A 10 FOOT CEILING.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS REALLY CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE, UM, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE, THE BURNETT HOUSE.
THESE ARE, IN SOME RESPECTS, QUITE BEAUTIFUL HOUSES.
THE MATERIALS AND THE FORMS THAT YOU'VE COMPOSED, UH, FOR PALMETTO ARE, ARE GREAT, ARE FINE.
UM, BUT IN ORDER TO CREATE A MASSING, NOT JUST THE PERCEPTION OF A MASSING, 'CAUSE ONE DAY SOMEBODY WILL PAINT THE OTHER VOLUME THE SAME COLOR, UM, WILL REALLY MEAN TO, TO REDUCE THE BUILDING INTENSITY.
THE BUILDING SIZE, THE FLOOR PLANS IN YOUR PROGRAMS ARE QUITE GENEROUS.
THREE AND THREE, THREE BEDROOMS, THREE AND A HALF BATHS, PLUS LOTS OF OPEN SPACE AND PUBLIC SPACE.
THAT'S VERY, VERY, VERY GENEROUS.
SO YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER YOUR PROGRAM HOW IT AFFECTS THE TRUE MASSING AND THE TRUE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
AND I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE ANOTHER VISIT THROUGH A DRC.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO, JUST TO REGISTER FOR, YOU KNOW, AS DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT WE GO THROUGH THAT THEY HAVE, UH, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE UDC CREATE, UH, THESE SMALL LOTS THAT YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ON WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A PROGRESSIVE, UH, ALLOWANCE TO THE OWNER TO DO MORE THAN WHAT WOULD LOOK APPROPRIATE TO AN EDUCATED EYE.
BUT, BUT THEN IT GIVES THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO FIGURE WHATEVER GENIUS THEY HAVE TO MAKE.
UH, UH, TWO THINGS FIT ON A LOT THAT TYPICALLY WOULD'VE ONLY HAD ONE THING IN A GARAGE.
UH, SO THAT, THAT THE CODE FINDS THIS APPROPRIATE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS STRANGE TO ME.
UH, BUT IT DOES LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AT SOME LEVEL, A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT SECOND HOUSE, WHICH IS THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE, WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A ONE STORY HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO WHAT THE BUSINESS PLAN IS, BUT JUST WITH RESPECT TO WHAT, WHAT ONE COULD SEE AS HOW THE PATTERN, THE HOW, HOW THE, THE STREETSCAPE PATTERN GRADUALLY GROWS TO WHAT BECOMES IN THIS CORNER, UM, UH, UM, TALLER HOUSE THAN THE REST OF THE, THE ENVIRONMENT.
I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW WITH, UM, WITH WHAT IS BEING, WHAT'S ALLOWED THROUGH THE UDC, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD BE A SINGLE STORY HOUSE.
UH, BUT I THINK MOST DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
THERE IS SOMETHING ODD TO ME ABOUT THE SCALE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S A STATEMENT IN ITS OWN.
YOU'RE, I I CAN SAY YOU'RE MAKING YOUR OWN ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT.
YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO BE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YET.
IT, IT, IT, IT, IT FALLS INTO PLACE.
IT'S NOT A RANCH ENVIRONMENT AND THE HOUSES HAVE A TENDENCY TO LOOK A LITTLE FARMHOUSE, YOU KNOW? SO IT, IT'S NOT JUST THE SCALE, IT'S ALSO THE STYLE.
BUT I, BUT I, BUT I MEAN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM I SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, A BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD MOMENT FOR THAT HOUSE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, BUT JUST WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD CONSIDER WHETHER THERE'S A SINGLE STORY, MAYBE, MAYBE A GRANDER SINGLE STORY THAT'S LESSER THAN A DOUBLE STORY, UM, UH, FOOD FOR THOUGHT BECAUSE I, I SUPPORT IT THE WAY THAT
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IT IS.AND THEN MY COMMENTS, UM, ECHO WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HAS, HAS STATED, AND, UH, ESPECIALLY WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO SAID IS LOOK AT THE BURNETT HOUSE AND THE PROGRAM AND SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING IN THAT STRUCTURE.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW YOUR BUSINESS PLAN AND, AND ALL THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME VERY GENEROUS SIZE ROOMS IN THAT STRUCTURE AND THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO SCALE THAT DOWN, WHICH WOULD HELP REDUCE THE MASS, WHICH HELPS IT, UH, BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE, THE STREETSCAPE ON BURNETT.
AND, UM, WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO DRCS AND, UH, WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION AND STAFF.
AND I KNOW, UM, YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE STILL WILLING TO WORK WITH US BECAUSE, UM, UH, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW YOU, UH, PROCEED.
AND IF YOU DO COME BACK FOR A DRC, UM, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER INSTEAD OF SPENDING, UH, A LOT OF TIME WITH THE CAD DRAWINGS IN THE, THE RENDERINGS IN THAT, UH, COME WITH SOME SKETCHES, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, SOME SIMPLER DRAWINGS THAT, UH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT, UH, THE BIG THINGS, THE MASSING GENERALLY.
UM, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA.