* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. TIME IS NOW 3:00 PM [3:00 PM – Call to Order] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, JULY 15TH, 2026. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? IN SINO HERE, VELASQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY MOOKA. GIVA GROUP HERE. TRAVIESO HOLLAND. FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? SERVICES. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE STORY DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS A CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME OF SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TY IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF THIRD PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, PRIOR TO GETTING STARTED TODAY. UM, AS WELL AS THERE ARE NO, UH, NO INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON GENERAL ITEMS. UH, SO IF WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH MEETING [ Approval of minutes for the HDRC meeting of July 1, 2026.] MINUTES AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE JULY 1ST, 2026 MEETING MINUTES SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED. I PROPERLY SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ? YES. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS, [CONSENT AGENDA The consent agenda consists of items recommended by staff for approval or approval with stipulations that the applicant accepts. Any member of the public who would like to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and speak prior to the commission’s vote on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda to consider it individually. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] IF YOU COULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF LETTERS AND MESSAGES THAT YOU'LL HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE, UH, IN SUPPORT OF OPPOSITION OR JUST GENERAL COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AND ITEM NUMBER NINE. AND SO I CAN CALL THOSE UP NOW, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER 6 1 10. MARY LOUISE BIANCA MALDONADO IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, SHE'LL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES AS TOM UH, SIMMONS HAS YIELDED TOM. GOOD AFTERNOON. BIANCA MALDONADO AND PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OFFERING COMMENTS, UH, AFTER THE REVIEW OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, EVALUATING THE PROPERTY AT ONE 10. MARY LOUISE, WE APPRECIATE THE PROPERTY OWNER SEEKING TO INVEST IN THIS MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY LOCATED AT ONE 10. MARY LOUISE. WE NOTE THAT THE CURRENT OWNER ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN NOVEMBER OF 2025. THE PREVIOUS OWNER WHO ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN APRIL OF 2024 PRESENTED [00:05:01] PLANS TO RESTORE THIS PROPERTY. HOWEVER, THOSE PLANS DID NOT MATERIALIZE AND THE PROPERTY DETERIORATED SUBSTANTIALLY AND BECAME A HAVEN FOR VAGRANT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER EXECUTING THE RESTORATION PLANS TO BRING HOUSING TO THE COMMUNITY. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT APPLICATION. WE NOTE THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE SECURED DURING RENOVATIONS AND FOR THE ROLL TOP DUMPSTERS TO BE SERVICED PROMPTLY. WE REQUEST THAT THE CO CURRENT OWNER FILE A NO TRESPASS AFFIDAVIT WITH SAPD AS THE LAST ONE LAPSED WITH THE PRIOR OWNER. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRO, UH, PICTURE THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET OF THE FRONT, YOU'LL SEE THE ROLL TOP DUMPSTERS. UM, UP UNTIL ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WERE THREE ROLL TOP DUMPSTERS ON THIS PROPERTY. SO MAYBE IN CONSIDERATION AS THE CITY OFFERS A TAX INCENTIVE THAT THEY PUT A REQUIREMENT THAT A NO TRESPASS AFFIDAVIT ALSO BE FILED, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY JUST SUGGESTING THAT THEY FILE ONE. UM, WE'RE HIGHLY, UM, UH, EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROPERTY MOVE FORWARD AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT. BUT WE BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPEN, UH, PROPERTY LIKE THIS AND THERE'S NO FENCE AROUND THE ROLL TOP DUMPSTERS I DROVE BY ON THE WAY OVER HERE AND IT'S SIX FEET TALL AND THEY WON'T SERVICE IT WHEN IT'S THAT HIGH AND OVERFLOWING. SO IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THIS IS RIGHT NEXT TO ONE OF V'S. BIGGEST, UH, ON AND OFF STOPS IN THEIR ENTIRE NETWORK. WITH OVER 4,000 PEOPLE GETTING ON AND OFF THE BUS ON OUR WAY OVER HERE, WE SAW A BUS PATRON GRAB SOMETHING OUTTA THAT DUMPSTER, CARRY IT ACROSS, AND THEY'RE CARRYING IT ACTUALLY INTO HEB. SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO, TO, YOU KNOW, BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOVING FORWARD AND ALSO ENSURE THAT IF THEY, SOMETHING IS SEEN ON THE PROPERTY AND THE, AND THE NEIGHBOR CALLS SAPD, THAT THERE'S A NO TRESPASS AFFIDAVIT THAT COULD GIVE SOMEBODY A WARNING AND, AND FURTHER PROTECT THESE VULNERABLE PROPERTIES AS THEY GO THROUGH THE RENOVATION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE ARE IN SUPPORT. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 8 3 0 2 NORTH. UM, BIANCA MALDONADO IS HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. SHE'LL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. UH, TOM SIMMONS HAS YIELDED TIME TO HER. BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF, UM, OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WHO REVIEWED THIS. WE APPRECIATE THE OWNER SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME. HOWEVER, THIS IS AN INCOMPLETE HDRC APPLICATION AND IS NOT AN APPLICATION FOR A PERGOLA. THERE ARE NO PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE REAR OF THE HOME DETAILING THE OVERALL SITE AND SETTING OF WHERE THIS NEW STRUCTURE WILL BE INSTALLED, NOR ARE THERE DIMENSIONS REGARDING THE HEIGHTS OF THE HOME'S ROOF IN COMPARISON TO THE MASSING OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. IF YOU'LL SEE THE EXCERPT FROM O P'S WEBSITE AND THE LETTER THAT WE SUBMITTED, IT STATES GATHERED MATERIALS, PHOTO REQUIREMENTS, AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS WERE NOT MET IN THE APPLICATION. ONLY A NORTHERN ELEVATION PHOTO. THE FRONT OF THE HOME WAS PROVIDED AND THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST ROOF POINT WAS PROVIDED, AND THAT'S 20 FEET. WHAT'S MISSING IS THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF IN WHICH THIS STRUCTURE WILL ABUT. ALSO, THERE'S NO DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE SIZING OF THE NEW STRUCTURAL MEMBRANES, THE SUPPORT COLUMNS, THE BEAMS, AND THE TRUSSES. WITHOUT THIS INFORMATION, WE DO NOT HAVE A STRUCTURAL MASSING COMPARISON FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE. WITH RESPECT TO ITS PROPOSED RELATION TO THE EXISTING HOME'S ROOF HEIGHT AT THE 13 INCH SEPARATION AND ITS RELATION TO THE GARAGE. SPECIFICALLY, WHAT IS THE ROOF HEIGHT OF THE OVERHANG AND THE HIGHEST PITCH OF THE ADJACENT ROOF. WE RECOMMEND THE CASE BE CONTINUED WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BE PROVIDED AS MENTIONED ABOVE AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH O HP'S HDRC APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS TO PROPERLY REVIEW THE CONTEXT OF THE INSTALLATION SITE AND THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES, MASSING AND MATERIALS. AND IF YOU'LL SEE THE IMAGE I PUT UP ON TOP, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE ELEVATION FROM THE SHEER PERSPECTIVE, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THIS IS A CORNER LOT. SO WE KNOW THE HIGHEST ROOF POINT IS 20 FEET IN HEIGHT, BUT WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF OF WHERE THIS STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO ABUT? AND THE IMAGE THAT I'M SHOWING YOU ON GOOGLE EARTH HERE, THERE'S ALSO BEEN ADDIT AN ADDITION ONTO THAT GARAGE. SO WHAT'S THE SPACING BETWEEN WHATEVER THAT OVERHANG IS ON THE GARAGE TO THIS PROPOSED STRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE PLACED BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE GARAGE BECAUSE IT IS HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. OKAY, UH, NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER 9 4 15 FUR DRIVE. UH, BIANCA MALDONADO IS HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT. UH, SHE'LL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. TOM SIMMONS HAS YIELDED TIME. BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK OFFERING COMMENTS AFTER A REVIEW OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. WE APPRECIATE THE HOMEOWNER SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. [00:10:01] WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF A STIPULATION THAT A GUTTER BE ADDED ON THE EASTERN ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED CARPORT. THIS STIPULATION IS BEING REQUESTED TO PREVENT RUNOFF FROM HAVING AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER AS THE PROPOSED CARPORT LOCATION ABUTS THE PROPERTY LINE AT FOUR 11 FUR DRIVE. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT THE ENTIRE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT IS IN A MANDATORY DETENTION AREA. MANDATORY DETENTION REQUIREMENTS DO NOT ADHERE TO RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER, WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT IN AN AREA THAT WAS PLATTED BEFORE, THERE WAS LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS. WE JUST ASK FOR SENSITIVITY WHEN A STRUCTURE IS ON A PROPERTY LINE. SO IF YOU COULD ADD THAT STIPULATION, WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. AND IT'S ONLY ON THAT ELEVATION THAT FACES FOUR 11 FUR DRIVE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, THAT, UH, CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER THREE. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER EIGHT, AND NUMBER NINE, MR. CHAIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER EIGHT, AND NUMBER NINE. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, COMMISSIONER SINO, IT WAS 3 4 8 9 3. THE, THOSE THAT 3, 4, 8 AND NINE. 3 4 8, 9 STEPS STIPULATIONS? YES. ALL WITH STEPS STIPULATIONS OUTSIDE. SO RESTATE YOUR MOTION PLEASE, SIR, INCLUDING ALL THAT PLEASE. UH, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS MINUS 3, 4, 8, AND NINE. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, MR. CHAIR? I DO WANNA SAY THAT I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE SO MANY TAX CERTIFICATION VERIFICATION CASES AND DESIGNATIONS THIS TIME AROUND. UM, I JUST, UH, APPLAUD ALL OF THE APPLICANTS WHO ARE, WHOSE CASES ARE UP FOR THOSE UM, REQUESTS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. MIZUKI AYE. AVADA AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIPPS. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS NORTH MAIN AVENUE, AVENUE BETWEEN EAST CYPRESS AND EAST ASHBY, 6 0 1 DELAWARE 1 0 2 THERA ONE 10, MARY LOUISE, THREE 18 DIVINE, UH, AND 3 23 BUSILLO. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL JUMP TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. UH, THESE ARE THE, UH, VIA, UM, CABINETS, UH, FOR THE GREEN LINE, UH, AND CHRISTINE VIA IS HERE IN PERSON. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHRISTINE VINA WITH VIA METROPOLITAN TRANSIT, A SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER IN OUR, UH, ADVANCED RAPID TRANSIT, GREEN AND SILVER LINE OFFICE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SABINO? YEAH. UM, STAFF HAD, UH, ONE OF THEIR STIPULATIONS FOR THE TWO CABINET BOXES OF WIRING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TWO OF THE STOPS, UM, THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. AND, UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REDUCE THE SIZE, REDUCE THE VISIBILITY AND RELOCATE. CORRECT. AND, UM, SO THERE WERE SOME LATE DOCUMENTS THAT CAME IN AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM THE, THE NEW LOCATIONS VERSUS WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY WERE AND THE NO, THE IN OKAY. THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE FROM THE ORIGINAL. OKAY. THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED THAT SHOWS UP IN THE PUBLIC PORTAL OR SHOWS UP FOR THE PUBLIC VERSUS WHAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED FOR LATE DESIGN. OKAY. WHAT I SUBMITTED FOR THE LATE WAS THE SAME. THIS TOP INFORMATION WE HAD SUBMITTED THE BOTTOM, UM, IMAGES HERE FOR IN THE PACKET, UM, SHOWING THAT THE GENERAL CARTER STATIONS HAVE THE LARGER OR THE TALLER CABINET. UM, AND THEN WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN STATIONS TO PULL THOSE DOWN. SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THOSE, UH, THEY PULLED THEM DOWN ABOUT A FOOT. THEY'RE SIX FOOT FOUR ON THE, UH, CORRIDOR. WE PULLED THEM DOWN A FOOT AND THEN WE ASKED THEM TO, UM, THE CONSULTANTS TO LOOK AGAIN TO SEE IF WE COULD PULL THEM DOWN EVEN FURTHER. AND SO THEY HAVE REDUCED THEM A FULL TWO FEET. SO NOW ALL THE DOWNTOWN STATIONS ARE FOUR FOOT SIX. UM, AND THEN THE TOP IMAGE IS BASICALLY THE INSIDE OF THE CABINET TO SHOW THE, THE NUMBER OF COMPONENTS. UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION, [00:15:01] DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OR FROM THE, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS. AND, UM, I'VE GOT A STATEMENT FROM OUR, OUR, UM, CONSULTANT ENGINEER THAT, UH, THE COMMUNICATION AND ELECTRIC ENCLOSURE IS A SECURED SPACE THAT WILL BE ACCESSED ONLY BY VIA AND CPS, THE ENCLOSURE BOXES REQUIRED TO PROVIDE BOTH ELECTRICAL POWER AND COMMUNICATIONS TO THE TICKET VENDING MACHINE AND VALIDATOR. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO COMPONENTS THAT WILL BE ACCESSED BY PASSENGERS. UM, THE WIRELESS ANTENNA SECURITY VIDEO CAMERA AT EACH STATION, AND THEN THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGING BOARD THAT GOES ACROSS THAT TELLS PASSENGERS EXACTLY HOW MANY MINUTES TILL THE NEXT BUS ARRIVES. UM, AN ELECTRIC METER IS ALSO REQUIRED AT EVERY STATION. AND CPS HAS SPECIFIC STANDARDS AS TO THE PLACEMENT OF THIS METER IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT ABOVE THE SIDEWALK. UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE ROUTER AND SWITCHES THAT OPERATE THE TVM VALIDATOR CAMERA AND MESSAGE SIGNS MUST HAVE SUFFICIENT AIRFLOW AROUND THEM AS TO NOT OVERHEAT AND THE FAN VENTILATION IS PROVIDED, BUT THERE'S NO AIR CONDITIONING WITHIN THESE ENCLOSURES. UM, LASTLY, THE ELECTRICAL POWER PANEL. UM, IT CONTAINS THE POWER PANEL, WHICH CONNECTS ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT DEVICES TO THE CPS METER. SO THAT'S WHY THE, UH, WE HAVE REDUCED THE ONES THAT ARE DOWNTOWN BY, THERE'S NO IRRIGATION ON THOSE. THE IRRIGATION COMPONENTS HAVE BEEN PULLED OUT TO BE ABLE TO PULL THEM DOWN. UM, ON THE LOCATIONS, UH, WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THOSE TWO LOCATIONS TO SEE IF WE COULD REVISE THEM. MM-HMM . UM, ON THE NORTHBOUND NAVARRO STATION THERE AT THE CVS, UM, IT WAS FORMALLY AT THE, THE ORIGINAL LOCATION WAS CLOSE TO THE CURB. MM-HMM . SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PULLED IT BACK IN LINE WITH THE BENCHES, UM, KIND OF WHERE THAT DARK OBJECT IS NEXT TO THE TRASH CANS. THAT'S WHERE, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IT BE, UH, RELOCATED. SO IT'S OUT OF KIND OF LINE OF SIGHT OF THE, THE CURB LINE IN THE, IN AN ORIGINAL APPLICATION OR DOCUMENTS, EXCUSE ME. IT WAS SITTING PROBABLY A COUPLE OF FEET FROM THE BUILDING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SNUG UP TO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. YES, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MINIMUM DIMENSION THAT WE HAVE TO BE FROM THE BUILDING. UM, OKAY. LOOKS LIKE EIGHT, SAY EIGHT TO 10 SOMETHING. BUT, UM, THAT'S GENERALLY IT. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WOULD STICK OUT, UH, IN OR ENCROACH ANY FURTHER THAN THE TRASH RECEPTACLES. AND THEN THE ST. SOUTH, ST. MARY'S STATION WAS ORIGINALLY, THAT IS ONE, YES. AND ORIGINALLY, UM, ON THE CURB, OUR LOCATION, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO PULL IT OUT OF THE, UH, UH, I GUESS PATH, THE PEDESTRIAN PATH IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING BENCHES, BUT FROM THE LINE OF SIGHT FROM THE RIVER UP TO THE BOX. UM, SO WE WERE ASKED TO MOVE THAT. AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UM, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, IF YOU SEE IN THE BLUE DOTTED LINE, IT'S THE FLY, UH, FLY LINE, WHICH IS, UH, THE PYLON COMPONENT THAT HAS ALL THE, UH, THE ROUTE INFORMATION, THE TICKET VALIDATOR, AND THEN THE BOX IS THE TVM AND THEN THE ELONG ELONGATED, UM, CA CABINET ELECTRICAL CABINET. SO ALL OF THOSE KIND OF GO IN LINE. SO IF YOU'RE A PEDESTRIAN WALKING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH ON THE SIDEWALK, YOU WOULD FIRST COME AND SEE ALL THE BIKE RACKS THAT ARE THERE. UH, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THEM IN THE, THE PHOTO THERE. THEN YOU WOULD HIT THE TREE AND THEN YOU WOULD HIT THE EQUIPMENT. SO THOSE WOULD ALL BE IN LINE TO KEEP THE PEDESTRIAN PATH BEHIND THERE, UH, CLEAN TO THE BUILDING. TOWARDS THE BUILDING OR TOWARDS THE RIVER. I'M SORRY. YES. SO THE PEDESTRIAN AWAY FROM THE RIVER AND THEN, YEAH. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION ABOUT THE COLOR, IF WE COULD CHANGE THE COLOR TO BE A LITTLE LESS INTRUSIVE. ABSOLUTELY. AND THE ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS PRESENTED WITH THE LATE DRAWINGS, UM, AND THE STIPULATION FOR THE PAINT, COLOR AND ARCHEOLOGY. SECOND, THIS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK, I THINK, UH, VIA AND THEIR, UH, CONSULTANTS HAVE, UM, DONE A DECENT JOB ON ADDRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT SIZE, LOCATION, UM, ORIENTATION AND ALL THAT. SO, UH, THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. MOOKA AYE. KIVA AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER. [00:20:01] AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR 1841 EAST HOUSTON. THE APPLICANT, MATTHEW RODRIGUEZ IS HERE IN PERSON. AND THEN I DO WANNA NOTE THAT BESIDES THE LETTERS, THERE ARE SOME UPDATED DOCUMENTS IN YOUR LATE FOLDER. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR. MATTHEW RODRIGUEZ. I'M THE OWNER OF 1841 EAST HOUSTON. THANK YOU. CAN YOU PULL THE MIC UP CLOSER TO YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SINA. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. QUESTIONS FOR, FOR YOU. UM, MR. RODRIGUEZ, UM, THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORS HAD SENT IN A LETTER OF SOME COMMENTS AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE CORRUGATED ROOF OVER THE PATIO. UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF, HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES STAFF, UM, SEE CORRUGATED METAL? HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU DEFINING IT? HOW DO YOU TALK ABOUT IT TO THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING? UH, WELL, TO THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING, WELL, I GUESS I'LL BACK UP. UH, FOR A, A BUILDING THAT WAS, UH, MORE OF, UM, AGE OF THE TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UH, CORRUGATE, IT WOULD BE OUT OF PLACE UNLESS IT WAS FOUND ORIGINALLY ON THAT BUILDING. UH, IN THIS APPLICATION, WE FIND THAT IT'S NOT, UH, PORTRAYING OR, OR MISREPRESENTING AN ORIGINAL DETAIL. AND SO GENERALLY WE FIND IT TO BE APPROPRIATE. UM, IF THIS WERE ORIGINAL, IT MAY BE, UH, OR IF THIS WERE DATED TO 19 20, 19 30, WE MAY FIND A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF HERE. UH, BUT WE FIND THE CORRUGATED METAL TO BE AN APPROPRIATE APPLICATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT, OKAY. WHAT IS THE, THE, UM, THE FUNCTION? THIS IS A FOOD SERVICE. IT'LL BE A RESTAURANT. IT'S A NEW CONCEPT RESTAURANT, UH, FOR CONVOS, TACOS, UHHUH. IT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. THIS WILL SERVE MORE LUNCH AND DINNER. OKAY. AS THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION SERVES BREAKFAST. IS THIS A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, WHERE DOES THE TRASH GO? THE TRASH RIGHT NOW IS HANDLED IN THE ALLEYWAY. UH, IT'S DONE WITH, UH, SEPARATE CONTAINERS. I THINK ABOUT THREE OR FOUR CITY CONTAINERS. MM-HMM . AND SO, BUT THAT'S A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? YES. BUT ALL, UH, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH YOUR, YOUR ZONING THEN, OR WITH TSD? TYPICALLY? WE'LL HAVE, AND WHY I'M ASKING IS TYPICALLY A BUILDING OR A FUNCTION LIKE THIS, HAS A DUMPSTER, HAS A SEPARATE PLACE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING FOR TRASH, ESPECIALLY FOOD GREASE, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AND IT'S USUALLY ON THE PROPERTY. AND AS SUCH, IT IS SCREENED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL. RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST TRASH CANS. UH, WE COULD ADD A SCREENING ELEMENT THERE TO WHEN A DUMPSTER IS PLACED THERE, BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE, NOR IS IT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AT ALL. BUT IT IS A PART OF THE GOOD OLD ALLEY, UH, KIND OF JUST OUTSIDE THAT DOOR AND AC UNIT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW THAT, THAT WORKS CODE WISE. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S SOME, A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. UM, ALSO YOUR, UH, DO YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN IN YOUR ORIGINAL FILE? SHOULD BE ON THE LAST PLACE. LAST SHEET. LAST SHEET PROPOSING ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT TREES, UH, MEMORIALS MEXICAN WHITE OAKS, AND WE'VE GOT AN ESTABLISHED DESERT WILLOW IN THE CORNER. OKAY. WE SAW IN THAT PHOTO, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE LABELING YOUR CONCRETE, YOU ALSO LABEL IN YOUR SITE PLAN THE BLACK GRAVEL AROUND THE BELTING. TYPICALLY, UM, BLACK, THE BLACK GRAVEL IS NOT CONFORMING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, EVEN FOR COMMERCIAL. WOULD YOU CONSIDER A MORE NATURAL? ABSOLUTELY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. UM, ON YOUR, UM, THE PUBLIC RESTROOM UNIT, WHICH IS A STANDALONE STRUCTURE. YES, SIR. UM, IS THAT INTENDED TO BE SECURED AT THE BUILDING WALL OR JUST THE TWO DOORS LOCKED AT THE BUILDING WALL? UH, WHEN THE RESTAURANT WILL SHUT DOWN, IT'LL, IT'LL BE CLOSED WITH A GATE THAT'S NOT SHOWN. UM, BUT AT THE BUILDING WALL, AND THEN ALSO THE DOORS OF THE, OF THE WATER CLOSETS THEMSELVES. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT WILL BE SECURE AFTER HOURS? YES, SIR. OKAY. UNIQUE AND CREATIVE DESIGN THERE, BUT CHALLENGES OF THE SITE. DID YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR? NO. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? DO YOU ACCEPT ALL THE STIPULATIONS IN THE APPLICATION? ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE REVIEWED THEM. UH, WE WENT OVER THE, AND I SUBMITTED SOME LATE DRAWINGS FOR THE, UM, DOORS AND WINDOWS. [00:25:01] THOSE WILL BE STEEL AND INSET, UM, SIX INCHES FROM THE FRONT FACADE AT MINIMUM. MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, REQUEST WITH THE ADDED STIPULATIONS OF SECOND, UH, STIPULATION FIVE TO UTILIZE A NATURAL COLLAR, BRICK OR GRAVEL IN LIEU OF THE BLACK GRAVEL. AND STIPULATION NUMBER SIX, TO PROVIDE SCREENING AND COVERAGE FOR, UH, GARBAGE AND TRASH RECEPTACLES FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. ABSOLUTELY. SECOND STANCE SPIN, MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? I JUST THINK THAT, UM, IN ORDER TO BETTER ENSURE THE SUCCESS OF A BUSINESS THAT, UM, UH, WE KNOW WHERE THE GARBAGE IS GOING, WHERE IT, AND WHERE IT STAYS UNTIL SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PICK IT UP. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. MIZUKI? AYE. KIVA AYE. GROUP? AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER? AYE. GIBBS. AYE. AND THEN COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, I SEE YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION. ABSTAINED. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS 3 0 2 NORTH. THERE IS, UM, AN ITEM IN YOUR LATE FOLDER AND THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, GRACE PEDROZA IS HERE AND YOU CAN COME UP. GOOD AFTERNOON, MA'AM. UM, YOU CAN PULL THE MIC DOWN, TOLD YOU AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. GRACE PEDROZA. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. BRAD FRED PEDROZA IS HERE TOO. MY HUSBAND. THANK MA'AM. UM, MY MR. CHAIR, I'M RESPONDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMENTS OF, UM, COMPLETENESS FOR THE PACKAGE. UM, THE PERGOLA IS A SIGNIFICANT ADDITION TO THE BACKYARD. SURE. AND IT WOULD BE, UH, REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE IF WE, UM, COULD SEE IT IN RELATION TO YOUR ROOFTOP OF THE MAIN HOUSE WHERE IT IS IN, IN THE ELEVATION WITH YOUR GARAGE, ET CETERA. SURE. SO THE, THE DETA, THE GARAGE IS DETACHED AND IT'S QUITE A WAYS AWAY. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT APPLIES, BUT I SENT IN A LATE PHOTO OF THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE MM-HMM . WHERE IT SHOWS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT SQUARE AREA IN FRONT OF THE, THAT PARTITION OR THAT STR SQUARE STRUCTURE IS WHERE WE WANNA PUT THE PERGOLA. SO THE GARAGE IS FURTHER BACK ON THIS SIDE, SO IT'S NOT AS CLOSE TO IT. AND SO I THINK, UH, WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE, I GUESS THE, THE ELEVATED STRUCTURE COULD NOT SURPASS THE PEAK OF THE HOUSE, BUT IS IT THE LOWER PART? I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT THAT, BUT WE ARE PREFERRING TO HAVE A GAZEBO JUST BECAUSE IT'S A NICER LOOK THAN JUST A FLATTER PERGOLA. SO WHATEVER WE CAN GO WITH IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO GET. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? QUESTION, SIR, PLEASE GO AHEAD, SIR. SO, SO THE, THE DRAWING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A GABLE AND A PERGOLA, UH, OR AT LEAST THE WAY I WAS UNDERSTANDING HERE WAS FLAT. SURE. SO E EITHER IS 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SHADE OR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WATER? OH, NO, IT'S DEFINITELY FOR SHADE. THEY'RE FOR SHADE. OKAY. THOSE LOOK NICER FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. AND WE SAW THE PLANS THAT WERE ONLINE, SO THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED WITH AS A, AS A STARTING POINT BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS A PROCESS HERE. RIGHT. I COULDN'T JUST EXPECT THIS TO BE DONE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA ORDER ANYTHING WITHOUT HAVING APPROVAL. AND WITH CONTRACTORS, THEY'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WANT TO CHARGE YOU FOR JUST AN ESTIMATE AND I DON'T WANNA HAVE ESTIMATES FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DONE OR THAT'S NOT GONNA BE APPROVED. YOU GOOD SIR? THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS PLEASE. AND TO STAFF. UM, THIS IS NOT A DETO BUILDING, IT'S SOMETHING FREESTANDING, RIGHT? SO KIND OF APPLIES CORRECT DETACHED FRONT. RIGHT. UM, WHAT IS YOUR, HOW DID YOU SEE THE HEIGHT OR HOW DID YOU END? UM, YOU KNOW, THE ULTIMATE RIDGE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS AROUND 20 FEET. SO THIS DOES REMAIN TECHNICALLY SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY. UM, [00:30:01] THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION INDICATING THAT THE EVE IN WHICH THE STRUCTURE WOULD A, UM, A BUTT NOT, IT'S NOT ATTACHED, BUT WOULD A BUTT, UM, IS UH, 10 FEET. UM, AND THEN FROM THERE I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT THAT ADJACENT, UH, HIP ROOF IS 14 MAYBE. UM, ALTERNATIVELY, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED ALTERNATIVE, UM, ROOF CONFIGURATION AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE BIG SCREEN. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T MIND IF IT'S FLAT? I PREFER NOT BECAUSE THOSE ARE UGLIER RIGHT. IN TERMS OF THE WAY THEY PRESENT WITH THE HOUSE. RIGHT. OUR HOUSE HAS THE, THE PIECE, RIGHT. SO IT WOULD'VE, WE THOUGHT IT WENT IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE VERSUS A PERGOLA, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE JUST WANTING SHADE OUT IN THE YARD. I DON'T HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MATT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS IN ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS TO PROVIDE A LINE DRAWING ELEVATION SHOWING THE SIDE SIDE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE, THE PERGO GAZEBO COVERING WHERE IT SHOULD BE, THE GARAGE WHERE IT SHOULD BE, AS WELL AS DIMENSIONING THE, UM, STRUCTURAL MEMBERS OF WHAT? OF THE STRUCTURE. OKAY. MEANING THE COLUMN WIDTH. SURE. AND SIZES, THE BEAMS. DO Y'ALL HAVE GUIDELINES FOR THOSE? I CAN PROVIDE? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'LL SECOND BUT WITH COMMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP WITH KAILYN TO GIVE US THE GUIDELINES FOR WHAT THE DIMENSIONS FOR THOSE SHOULD BE AND EVERYTHING. WELL, I THINK THE STRUCTURE AND THE SPANS GUIDE DETERMINE THE WHY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIMENSIONS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BOARDS AND WHAT YOU USE TO FABRICATE IT, BUT JUST, OKAY. YEP, YEP. SO IT'S A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, ADDING THE LINE, DRAWING THE ELEVATION WITH THE ACCURATE HEIGHTS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WELL AS FULLY DIMENSION STRUCTURE. SURE. THANK YOU. UM, UM, WANNA MAKE SOME COMMENTS? SURE. GO AHEAD, SIR. UM, THE, THE, UM, AND TO THE COMMISSION, UM, THE BUILDING ROOF IS A HIP ROOF. SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE A GABLE JUNCTION IN WITH A HIP JUST TO THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT WITHDRAW THESE THINGS. AND UNLESS THAT INTENTION IS FOR THAT GABLE TO ATTACH TO THAT HIP, IN WHICH CASE THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING. IT'S NOT. OKAY. SO THEN AS A PERGOLA, UH, IT MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THE EVE IS HIGH. SO AT THE GROUND LEVEL THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE UNDERNEATH THAT PERGOLA AND PERGOLAS A REALLY PRETTY, IF THEY'RE DONE RIGHT, . SO, SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE GABLE WOULD LOOK WEIRD BECAUSE IT WOULD CREATE A MASSING IN THE LAND THAT WOULD LOOK REAL WEIRD, WOULD LOOK REAL HEAVY UNLESS THE INTENT WAS TO CONNECT IT AND THEN LATER ON FILL IT IN. THERE'S NO INTENTION IF SO, SO MA'AM, MA'AM, THAT MAKES SENSE, MA'AM. WE, WE WE'RE NOT JUST WELL, SO JUST SO AS WE THROUGH THE CONCEPTUAL AS YOU GET TO, TO THAT END, UM, THAT IF IT'S ABOUT REALLY THE AESTHETIC VALUE THAT THE, I WOULD JUST SUBMITED THE FLAT VERSION WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE AN ASSET VERSUS THIS ALIEN GABLE. BUT, BUT OF COURSE THAT'S JUST AN OPINION. AND THAT'S IT OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ONE MOMENT, PLEASE, MA'AM. UM, OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. MR. CHAIR. UM, GOOD COMMISSIONER GROUP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO IN ORDER OR, UM, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE ON THIS PART. UM, SO I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL AGREE TO THE MOTION, BUT I, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN HERE. THE APPLICANT IS COMING HERE TODAY AND SHE EVEN OFFERED ALSO THE OPTION OF DOING A FLAT ROOF. UM, I THINK THE APPLICATION WITH THE STIPULATION STAFF COULD HAVE PROBABLY HAVE WORKED WITH, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT. THIS IS A PERGOLA, IT'S NOT A FIXED BUILDING, IT'S DETACHED, IT'S REMOVABLE. UM, I THINK WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HELPED THE APPLICANT. I THINK WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF, UH, REQUIREMENTS TO AN APPLICANT JUST FOR A PERGOLA. UM, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF, IF THE APPLICANT DID STATE TODAY THAT SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO EVEN A FLAT OPTION, UM, THAT WOULD BE LESS VISIBLE. CORRECT? I MEAN, SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A LITTLE LINE, PROBABLY A BETTER OPTION EVEN. UM, SO JUST WANT MY COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO JUST FULLY HERE AND FULLY SEE THAT BEFORE ADDING, YOU KNOW, MORE STIPULA RELATIONS AND MORE COSTLY, YOU KNOW, DRAWINGS TO A PROJECT THAT SHOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IS REMOVABLE AND IT'S NOT PERMANENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. MR. CHAIR. ONE MORE SIR. COMMISSIONER MIZUKI? NO, NO, NO [00:35:01] COMMENTS. THANK YOU. OKAY, SIR. MR. CHAIR? I JUST, IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPTUAL, UM, JUST WANNA NOTE THAT IT'S A VERY KIND OF A SENSITIVE, UM, UM, UH, SUGGESTION BECAUSE THERE IS A CRITICAL VALUE TO THE SIZE OF THE MEMBER. THE LOCATION OF, OF FLAT PERGOLA IS IF IT'S TOO LOW, IT WOULD LOOK WEIRD. IF IT'S TOO HIGH, IT WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK WEIRD. SO THERE IS SOMETHING TO, TO GIVING THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRODUCE A MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS THAT GIVE THE THICKNESS IN THE, OF THE, OF THE BOARDS OF THE MEMBERS AND THE COLUMNS. BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, AND, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GROUPS THAT THIS IS A EXTRA STEP THAT MIGHT BE, UM, UM, ALSO SAVE SOME TIME FOR THE APPLICANT. BUT, BUT IT'S JUST LITTLE CRITICAL DETAIL THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO TAKE THE TIME TO, UM, TO PRESENT THE SIZE MEMBERS PROPERLY. BUT PARTICULARLY THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THE EVE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE IS WHAT'S GOING TO REPRESENT, UH, WHERE THEIR AESTHETIC VALUE RESTS FOR THE REST OF THE LIFE OF THIS HOUSE. SO THEY REALLY SHOULD PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT TIES THEM TO MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION, NOT FOR US, BUT FOR THEMSELVES. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, COMMISSIONER GALLWAY, ANY COMMENTS FROM YOU? NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. NO, NO COMMENTS MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. I'M, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? OKAY, GO AHEAD. ONCE THEN I'LL ALLOW YOU TO LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS. UM, I THINK CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE. UH, AGAIN, SO YOU CAN, UH, DETERMINE WHAT THE MEMBER SIZES ARE. YOU CAN, UH, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DISCUSSION TODAY ABOUT WHETHER THE GABLE ROOF IS APPROPRIATE OR WHETHER A A FLAT ROOF OR, UH, THAT AND, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL DOESN'T DICTATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO YOU COULD COME BACK TO US WITH A, A FLAT ROOF IF YOU WISH. UM, OR IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITH THE, THE GABLE, THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASICALLY SAYS THAT THE, THE, THE ROUGHLY THE SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE STRUCTURE IS, UM, ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION. SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH UNKNOWNS HERE THAT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS, IS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD MA'AM. PLEASE HAVE SOME FURTHER COMMENTS. YEAH. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE COME BACK? ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK A MONTH FROM NOW OR DO WE WORK WITH KAITLYN AND THEN Y'ALL CAN APPROVE IT OFFLINE? OR DO WE HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH OR WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU'LL COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. DID THAT COMPLETE YOUR QUESTIONS, MA'AM? THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. YDA AYE GROUP? AYE. HOLLAND AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE ITEM NUMBER NINE, PLEASE? UM, DID YOU WANT ME TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD, MR. CHEN? OKAY. UM, THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE. UH, HE INDICATED THAT BE HERE VIRTUALLY, BUT HE'S NOT PRESENT. BUT IF STAFF CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSION MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SABINO? UM, YEAH, I'M TAKING MY, UM, UM, THOUGHTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ABOUT THE WATER RUNOFF ONTO ADJOINING PROPERTY IN THE SITE PLANS PROVIDED THERE'S NOTHING DIMENSION. SO IF THIS WOULD BE A SITUATION WHERE, UM, YOU COULD WORK OR STAFF CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT BEFORE THE NEXT HEARING TO RESOLVE THAT BY PUTTING A GUTTER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CARPORT, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD MEET, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GOALS AS WELL AS THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER'S GOALS. SURE. SO WOULD THAT, UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE A STIPULATION, UM, TO ADD A GUTTER ON THAT, ON THAT PORTION AND THEN WE CAN, UH, WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TOWARDS THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FIRST JUST QUESTION BEFORE NEXT HEARING, WHICH MEANS WE CAN'T DO A MOTION BECAUSE THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE. UH, WE CAN'T DO A MOTION. THINK MAYBE WE UNDERSTOOD COMMISSIONER SAV IS THAT WOULD BE A STIPULATION WITHIN A MOTION? IT WOULD, IT COULD BE A STIPULATION WITHIN A MOTION. I COULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION. ONE MOMENT THOUGH, PLEASE. UM, , I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE GARAGE. DOES IT STILL EXIST [00:40:01] OR IS IT, HAS IT BEEN DEMOLISHED? YES. TH THANK YOU. UM, TH THIS WAS MY FAULT. I, UM, DIDN'T ADD A CASE HISTORY FINDING, BUT THE GARAGE THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY, UM, WAS APPROVED BY THE HTRC FOR REMOVAL. UM, SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE GARAGE IS STILL THERE, BUT IT'LL BE REMOVED BEFORE IT'S, UM, BEFORE THIS CARPORT'S CONSTRUCTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? OKAY. SO MY STIPULATION IS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH STAFF STIPULATION, INCLUDING TO ADD A FULL LENGTH GUTTER AND DOWNSPOUT TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND, ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF WHETHER A, WHETHER AN ACCURATELY DIMENSION SIDE PLAN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE. WE'VE GOT SOME SKETCHES ON A PLAT AND SOME FREEHAND DRAWINGS. UH, BUT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT STRUCTURE'S GONNA SIT ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD TYPICALLY BE SUBMITTED? IF, IF, IF IT NEEDS TO BE STIPULATED, WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON PROVIDING, UH, DIMENSIONS THAT NOTE SETBACKS ON THE SITE FOR THE STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. AND I CAN MODIFY THE MOTION TO INCLUDE A STIPULATION FOR, UH, ACCURATELY, UM, DIMENSION SITE PLAN. SECOND STAND SECOND STILL STANDS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I MEAN THE APPLICANT WILL BE NEEDED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO GET ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE RIGHT. UH, WELL IT'S NOT DETERMINED. IF THEY NEED A, A VARIANCE IF THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR REAR YARD SETBACKS, UH, THEN THEY WOULDN'T NEED A VARIANCE. UM, IF THEY DO, THEN YES, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULDN'T NEED A, A DIMENSION SITE PLAN FOR THAT. I JUST, TO MY PREVIOUS COMMENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING COSTLY EXPENSES TO A PROJECT THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE AWARE OF THOSE THINGS WHEN WE ADD STIPULATIONS LIKE THOSE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SENO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. POLAND. AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE ITEM NUMBER 11, [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] PLEASE? UH, AGENDA ITEM 11, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 25 2 59 32 BURNETT. UM, THE REQUEST IS ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 6 0 8 G TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR THE REQUEST NOTED BELOW IN ITEM NUMBER TWO. AND ITEM NUMBER TWO IS, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR, UH, APPROXIMATELY 1,725 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, FEATURING A WRAPAROUND FRONT PORCH, UM, SORRY, COMMISSIONERS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REQUEST ITEM ONE, THE APPROVAL OF A WAIVER TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW A SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION UNDER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 6 0 8 G BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C. AND THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. STIPULATION. ONE IS IN REGARDS TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS, STANDING SEA, METAL ROOF, ET CETERA. UH, NUMBER TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ADDITIONAL DETAILED DRAWINGS OF THE PORCH RAILING DESIGN AND WINDOW AND DOOR TRIM SURROUNDS TO STAFFER REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT REVISIT THE PROPORTIONS OF THE PRIMARY FACADE, SPECIFICALLY THE FRONT FACING GABLE TO BETTER REFLECT THE VERTICAL PROPORTIONS, CHARACTERISTIC OF THE FAULT VICTORIAN STYLE FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT INCLUDE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE STRUCTURE AT BOTH THE NORTHERN AND EASTERN FACADES, AND FEATURE A SIX INCH MILLION BETWEEN ANY GANG WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS. FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE WINDOWS, DOORS, SIDING, AND ROOF BASED ON FINDINGS, J, K AND L SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ANY MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND DRAWINGS FOR ALL SITE ELEMENTS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING, FENCING, OR FLAT WORK. AS AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, AND SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING. UH, AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE [00:45:01] FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. NADO MACINTOSH IS HERE VIRTUALLY. I'LL MAKE HIM A PANELIST NOW. UH, NADO, CAN YOU HEAR US? UH, I CAN HEAR YOU FINE, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, NADO, IF YOU, UM, WANT TO SPEAK TO EITHER THE REQUEST OR STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, YOU CAN DO SO NOW YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES. OTHERWISE, YOU COULD TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS IF NEEDED. NO, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. I DON'T, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T. NO. WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED ME TO DO, I'LL DO IT. UM, I, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THING DONE FOR, UH, MANY NUMBER OF YEARS NOW, SO JUST, JUST TRYING TO DO WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT. SIR, YOU BASICALLY AGREEING TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CASE HERE. SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD, IS, ARE YOU AGREEING WITH ALL OF THOSE? I I I, I HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT THIS STUFF. I'M AGREEING TO WHATEVER YOU GUYS PUT ON THAT PAPER. UM, I HAD A, I GOT A VARIANT YEARS AGO BEFORE THIS PROCESS EVEN STARTED. I HAVE MY BEARING. SO IF I'M GONNA UNDERSTAND THIS IS YOUR CASE, BUT YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, SO IF YOU'RE, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN THE CASE OR YOU WERE JUST PRETTY MUCH WASHING YOUR HANDS UP AND SO WHATEVER HAPPENS JUST HAPPENS? IS THAT YOUR, YOUR POSITION RIGHT NOW? MY POSITION IS I LIKE TO BUILD, BUILD, UM, WHAT I HAVE THERE, UM, WHAT I SUBMITTED. SO TO BE CLEAR, SO YOU WANNA BILL WHAT'S SUBMITTED? SO WE, UM, STAFF HAS PROVIDED YOU, UM, UM, ITEMS THAT, UM, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE. AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT THEN CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, CONFIDENTLY STATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE THEM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WE FEEL IS BEST. YEAH, IT DON'T MATTER. I AGREE WITH WHATEVER THEY PUT ON THAT PAPER. ALRIGHT SIR, THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, MR. CHAIR, UM, SINCE THE FIRST ITEM OF ORDER IS THE WAIVER, UH, CAN STAFF TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE WHAT, UH, YOU FIND IS SUBSTANTIAL DESIGN DIFFERENCE FROM THE FIRST, UH, SUBMITTAL TO THIS ONE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. UM, THE FIRST SUBMITTAL THAT YOU SAW, UM, 10 OR SO MONTHS AGO, UH, WAS A TWO STORY VOLUME WITH A THREE BAY GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND LIVING SPACE ON THE SECOND. UM, SO, UH, NATAND DO DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK HE RECEIVED AT THE HEARING, UM, AND MADE CHANGES AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH. WELL, WE MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT A WAIVER SO WE CAN HEAR THE CASE BEEN MOVED AND PROBABLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. GIANA AYE GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND AYE BETS? AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS, UM, FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE CASE, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, ON ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE THAT THE APPLICANT REVISIT, REVISIT THE PROPORTIONS AND PRIMARY FACADE, UM, WOULD YOU VENTURE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT KIND OF GUIDANCE WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU GIVE? SURE. SO WE, UM, SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT THE PROPORTION OF THAT FRONT GABLE. UM, I THINK THAT THE PROPORTION AS, UH, THE COMPOSITION AS A WHOLE OF THE PRIMARY FACADE EXISTS NOW READS, UH, QUITE CONTEMPORARY, UM, IN TERMS OF KIND OF HOW ALL THESE SEPARATE ELEMENTS ARE EXISTING, UM, IN RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER. UM, AND SO THAT COULD RESULT IN A CONSIDERABLE REDESIGN OF THE PRIMARY FACADE. UM, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO NOT, UM, BE THE DESIGNER HERE. UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP, I SUPPOSE, AS IT REGARDS PROPORTIONS AND RELEASE TO THE REAR ACCESSORY AND HOW IT SPEAKS TO THE PRIMARY. OKAY. THAT'S, UH, SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR BECAUSE PARTS OF THAT HIP ROOF ARE FINE, BUT IT IS THAT GABLE END. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SIR. UM, I, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT, UM, WHICH [00:50:01] THE COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT BEING CAREFUL TO NOT DESIGN STYLISTICALLY CLEARLY IS A DIFFERENT HOUSE. SO IF THERE'S NOT A, IF THERE'S NOT A BLATANT GUIDELINE, THEN YOU, WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED TIMES TO, TO TRY TO SAY SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, WHICH IS THE QUESTION OF STYLISTIC. UM, BUT I THINK AT THE TIME, UM, YOU ARE, IF I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY RECOGNIZING THAT WITH RESPECT TO FENESTRATION THAT WE ARE USUALLY MORE, UM, RESTRICTIVE OF BLANK WALLS, RIGHT? SO IS THAT INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WHAT YOU WOULD BE SAYING AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? YES. UM, ONE OF THE FINDINGS AND STIPULATIONS DOES, UM, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS FENESTRATION ON THAT PRIMARY FACADE. YOU KNOW, EVEN JUST THE INCLUSION OF A WINDOW JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THAT FRONT DOOR. UM, BUT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER IN GENERAL DOES REQUIRE SOME MORE WORK. UM, SO, SO, SO WOULD, WOULD, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT, THAT IT, IT MOVES THE APPLICANT'S AGENDA FORWARD E EVEN AS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL? YES, I WOULD. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO MORE QUESTIONS SIR. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. PLEASE, PLEASE GO AHEAD. UM, MOVE TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. NONE SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NO, SIR. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT, UH, PERHAPS I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN, IN A NECESSARY A MOTION, BUT THAT A DRC SHOULD DEFINITELY BE OFFERED TO THIS GENTLEMAN. IT'S ALWAYS OFFERED. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE MOTION. YOU COMMISSIONER SABINA? YEAH, I WOULD SAY TAKE, UM, I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT AND HIS DESIGN TEAM TO TAKE SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE ELEVATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COORDINATED AT ALL. AND IT MADE IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE WHAT CERTAIN ELEVATIONS OR FA BUILDING FACES WOULD BE LIKE. UH, UH, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ELEVATIONS ARE A LITTLE, ARE, ARE JUST NOT COORDINATED. SO, UM, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE A DRC TOO BEFORE A FINAL HEARING. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAZUA? UH, MY ONLY QUESTION IS THE, UH, THE, UH, HOUSE ON THE LEFT, THE NEW ONE. UM, I GUESS THERE'S A, AN OPENING FOR THE FENCE. AND IS THERE A SIDEWALK THAT'S NOT INDICATED ON THE, ON THE PLAN? UM, I DON'T RECALL, BUT WE CAN HAVE A LOOK AT THE PHOTOS. IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THE WILLOW STREET SIDE. UM, HOWEVER, THERE WAS A STIPULATION SAYING THAT ANY SORT OF SITE WORK, FLAT WORK FENCING WOULD NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AS A SEPARATE REQUEST AND IS NOT BEING REVIEWED TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GDA? NOTHING RIGHT NOW, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR FETZER. NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GIDA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ITEM NUMBER 12, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 1 65 20 18 SAN PEDRO. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE REFACING AN EXISTING POLE SIGNS CABINET. THE EXISTING CABINET FEATURES AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET AND OVERALL WIDTH OF APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET. THE SIGN FEATURES AN OVERALL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 100 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING BOTH SIDES, BUT NOT INCLUDING THE MESSAGE BOARD BENEATH THE LOGO. SIGN TWO. TO INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED DRIVE THROUGH CABINET POLE SIGN AT THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AT WEST MISSILE TOE. THE PROPOSED CABINET WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF FIVE FEET AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 40 SQUARE FEET. AND THREE, IT INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED WALL SIGN ON THE WEST FACADE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL FEATURE AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINETS AND FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTERS. [00:55:01] THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET, FOUR INCHES, AND AN OVERALL WIDTH OF APPROXIMATELY 12 FEET FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 40 SQUARE FEET. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REFACE OF THE EXISTING POLE SIGNS CABINET BASED ON FINDING C. THERE TO BE NO INCREASE IN SIZE OF EITHER CABINET. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF A DRIVE-THROUGH CABINET SIGN. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT APPLICANT EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE SIGNAGE OPTIONS AT THIS LOCATION, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A MONUMENT SIGN THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC AND THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED WALL SIGN BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL A WALL SIGN THAT FEATURES INDIRECT ILLUMINATION, THAT IS TO BE BACKLIT OR HALO LIT, AS WELL AS ALUMINUM FACES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE UDC AND GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, WE JUST WANTED TO RECONSIDER, UH, OPTION, UH, NUMBER THREE. SIR, SIR, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? RICKY ORTIZ. APPRECIATE YOU, SIR. GO AHEAD. UH, OPTION NUMBER THREE THAT WAS, UH, DENIED IS JUST, UH, UH, A REBUILD OF SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE. THERE'S ALREADY CHANNEL LETTERS THERE THAT INSTALLED IN THE BUILDING. WE JUST CHANGED THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT. SO WHAT WAS PROPOSED WAS NEW SIGNAGE, THE SAME TYPE OF SIGN THAT'S ALREADY THERE, JUST WITH THE CURRENT NAME. WITH THE NEW NAME. THERE'S ALREADY INTERNALLY ELIMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGNS INSTALLED ON THAT PLACE FROM THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS. SO, SIR, QUESTION. SO, UM, YOU, UH, YOU JUMPED INTO THREE AND, AND FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED THE EARLIER PART, BUT, UM, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, BUT, UM, NOT APPROVING ITEMS TWO AND THREE. SO YEAH, SO YOU, YOUR POSITION IS THAT, UM, IT'S BASICALLY ARE THE SAME TYPE OF SIGN IS ALREADY THERE AND NOW THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO CHANGE THAT. UM, BUT YOU'RE, AND YOU'RE SAYING WHY CAN'T YOU JUST CHANGE THE NAME AND THAT'S IT? IS THAT WHAT I'M ASKING? YEAH, WHY CAN'T WE, UM, INSTALL THE SAME TYPE OF SIGN THAT WAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO BE THERE FOR THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS? UM, BECAUSE WE'RE PUT, I, I'M NOT ARGUING OPTION NUMBER TWO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DRIVE THROUGH THERE BEFORE. SO OPTION NUMBER THREE IS, UH, THE DENIAL OF A CHANNEL LETTER SIGN WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A CHANNEL LETTER SIGN THERE. WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE NAME OF IT. GOT IT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD, SIR? NO, I'M GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? I'LL START, UM, START WITH MY VIRTUAL APPLICANT. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAZUA. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIDA. NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP. I GUESS I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF ABOUT WHAT'S THE EXISTING RIGHT NOW IF YOU HAVE. SURE. SO, UM, HERE'S A, A PRETTY GOOD, UH, IDEA. UM, THE, UH, POLL SIGN THAT YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE APP, THE TOP CABINETS, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO REFACE. UH, THAT'S FINE AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE UDC. UH, THE ONLY COMMENT ON THAT IS STAFF IS SAYING THAT THE MESSAGE SIGNED BELOW AND THE EXISTING CABINET CANNOT INCREASE IN SIZE. UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT STATING, UH, WHERE YOU SEE THE, THE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTERS THAT SAY MEX MEXICAN RESTAURANT, UM, THOSE FACE LIT CHANNEL LETTERS ARE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED. UH, THOSE ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE UDC AND THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THE EXISTING SIGN, LIKE THE CABINET IS BEING REFACED WITH NO REMOVAL OR INTRODUCTION OF NEW SIGNAGE ELEMENTS, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR APPROVAL. UM, HOWEVER, THE, THE CHANNEL LETTERS THAT ARE THERE WILL BE REMOVED, UH, AND THEN A NEW CHANNEL LETTER SIGNED, THE FEATURES OF THE CABINET WILL BE INSTALLED. UM, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA TRIGGER THE NEED FOR, FOR REVIEW AND A NEW SIGN PERMIT. UH, THE APPLICANT WOULD THEN NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE UDC AND HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS SIGNAGE. UH, SO, UM, I GUESS TO THE, TO THE, THE POINT THE APPLICANT'S MAKING RIGHT NOW, THESE, THESE HAVE A GREEN PLEX FACE ON 'EM. IF THE GREEN PLEX FACE WAS COMING OFF AND THERE WAS GONNA BE A BLUE OR A RED PLEX FACE GO ON THERE, THAT WOULD GENERALLY CLASSIFY FOR, FOR A REFACE. UH, ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT REMOVAL OF THESE ENLARGE, REMOVE THIS WORDING, PUT A NEW SIGN UP, NEW LOGO, NEW DESIGN. UM, IT'S GONNA NEED [01:00:01] TO COMPLY WITH THE, WITH THE STANDARDS. ALSO, ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE IT BUT NOT INTERNALLY LIT WITH, UM, WITH THE, UM, INDIRECT LIGHT, WOULD THAT, UM, SIZE BE ACCEPTABLE? BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE OTHER SIGNS. GENERALLY THE SIZE IS OKAY. THE SIZE IS, IS RELATIVELY SCALED APPROPRIATELY TO THE FACADE. UM, THIS, THE DESIGN OF THE SIGN. WOULD IT GENERALLY BE OKAY IF THE FACES WERE METAL INSTEAD OF PLASTIC FEATURED? SOME TYPE OF REVERSE LIGHTING, HALO LIGHTING, UH, A SOFT GLOW AND DIDN'T HAVE AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED TO WHERE THE FACE OF EACH LETTER WAS LIT AND THEN THE ENTIRE CABINET ITSELF WAS GLOWING. UH, SO THERE, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF OPTIONS. UH, THERE MAY NOT BE A HANDFUL OF OPTIONS WITH THE, THE PLEX FACE TYPE OF SIGN THAT, THAT, THAT'S DESIGNED HERE. THANK YOU. IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE? YEAH. CAN WE GET AN APPROVAL FOR THIS SIGN? I MEAN, I, I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO READ IT OUT. UM, THAT'S THE TYPE OF SIGN THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WHICH IS AVAR CHANNEL LETTER. I'M, AND I GUESS WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, IS MAKE A STIPULATION THAT JUST HAS THOSE GUIDELINES. SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S SHOWING HERE IS A HALO LIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN. AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IN UDC. SO, UM, IF THE APPLICANT COULD INSTALL SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEN THAT 100% WOULD BE FINE. UM, THE ONLY THING I WANNA NOTE IS THE DESIGN THAT WAS SUBMITTED HAD LIKE THE CROWN LOGO AS WELL. SO, SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THE LOGO. OKAY. OKAY. WELL THEN, UM, THIS RIGHT HERE, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, STAFF WOULD ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS. AND MR. CHAIR, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE RIGHT? GOING DOWN THE, OKAY, WE, WE WILL, SIR. YES. THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER GTI? NO, I WAS JUST, IF THERE WAS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD DO A MOTION, BUT I SEE. GOTCHA. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? UH, WELL, MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE I'M THE LAST OVER HERE, I WAS GONNA, UH, SUGGEST A MOTION, BUT, BUT, UH, MAINLY I WANTED TO JUST APPEAL TO THE AESTHETIC VALUE OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL REQUEST. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE OUTSIDE OF A MOTION 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT, THE MOTION WOULD HAVE TO BE FRAMED IN, IN THAT WAY, IN WHICH CASE I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. OH, BUT BEFORE YOU DO GO THAT ROUTE, SIR. SO WE ARE STILL IN QUESTIONING, BUT YOU'RE NOT THE LAST ONE. WE STILL HAVE VICE CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR ZER. UM, YOU SHOWED US A, UH, HALO LIT SIGN THAT YOU COULD DO. YES. UH, IF YOU WANTED TO, UH, STAY WITH YOUR CURRENT DESIGN FOR THE SPACE, COULD THAT BE MODIFIED TO BE HALO LIT? YES. OUR, OUR ORIGINAL, YOU SEE THE BOTTOM IS THE NIGHTTIME PICTURE. IT ALREADY HAS THE HALO LIT. SO THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT DESIGN AND THE ONE THAT WE JUST SHOWED ON THE CAMERA IS THAT THIS IS A FRONT LIT AND A REVERSE LIT CHANNEL LETTER SIGN. OKAY. AND THE FRONT LETTERS ARE ACRYLIC. THEY'RE THREE 16 WHITE ACRYLIC. MM-HMM . SO THEY OBVIOUSLY LIGHT TO THE FRONT AND THEN WE INSTALLED LIGHTS ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT TO GIVE THE HALO AGAINST THE WALL AS WELL. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANTED THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN, YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE WITH THE HALO LID LETTERS? IT YEAH, IT WOULD ASSUME SO HE'D JUST HAVE TO PUT A METAL FACE ON EACH FACE OF EACH CABINET? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE OUR LOGO AS THE, THE BIGGEST THING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ILLUMINATE THE LOGO WITH THE REVERSE SLIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE, MORE, MORE THAN ANYTHING TO HAVE A DIALOGUE ABOUT IT FOR AS SUBMITTED. UH, WHICH IS THE, THE ONE THAT WE SAW ON THE, ON THE WALL THERE WITH THE FRONT LID? I GUESS IT IS. SO JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY ON THE MOTION SO WE COULD SEE THE PICTURE. THERE'S THREE ITEMS ON IN OF THE APPLICATION. THIS IS ONLY REGARDING ONE. YES. SO THE THAT THE ONE THAT HE AGREES TO, THE ONE THAT HE AGREES NOT TO DO. AND THIS ONE AS IS SUBMITTING, WHICH IS THE FRONT, NOT, NOT THE MENU YES, THE OTHER ONE, AND YES TO THE FRONT LID, UH, UH, LOGOED. OH, SIGN. OKAY. SO, UM, TO BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO YOUR MOTION IS WHAT? SO ARE YOU'RE [01:05:01] RECOMMENDING APPROVED, YOU SAID, ESTIMATED SAYS OF THE ONE THAT HE SHOWED US TODAY, OR, AND THAT ONE THERE. SO CAN YOU CLEARLY STATE THAT? SO I DON'T, YES. YOU RECOMMEND ITEM ONE, YOU DON'T. YES, SIR. GO AHEAD. UM, APPROVAL FOR ITEM ITEM ONE. UM, ITEM TWO AS DENIED, RIGHT? AND ITEM THREE AS PRES AS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. SO THE HALO LIT THAT HE PRESENTED TO PRESENTED TODAY, IS THAT WHAT YOU, THE FIRST ONE, THE, THE ONE THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN? BASIC. SO CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN? I GOT IT. I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING. SO HE'S BASICALLY ASKING FOR THE ONE THAT'S IN, THE ONE THAT'S ON IN THE APPLICATION, THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. NOW, THIS ONE IN HOPES THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AESTHETIC VALUE. OKAY, THANK YOU, SARAH. SECOND, THERE'S NO, OKAY, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. GOOD, SIR. OKAY. MI, MR. CHAIR, UH, I, I KNOW THE RULES EXIST FOR, FOR US TO GIVE, UH, UH, GOOD, GOOD CONSIDERATION TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. THE, THE LETTERS THAT ARE JUST THE BACKLIT LETTERS, UH, THEY PRESENT A VERY TYPICAL SIGN, BUT IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT, IN A WAY, IT DOWNGRADES THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON HERE. THIS IMAGE WOULD SEEM POSSIBLY THAT, UH, UH, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME ABILITY TO CONTROL THE LUMEN AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING NO TO A FRONT LIT SITUATION. THE LOGO ADDS A LOT TO WHAT, WHAT MIGHT APPEAR TO BE THE SUCCESS OF THIS RESTAURANT. AND IF THE RESTAURANT IS SUCCESSFUL, IT'D BE SUCCESSFUL FOR EVERYBODY THERE. AND A SIGN HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT. SO A SIMPLE BUILDING WITH A BEAUTIFUL SIGN, IT, IT ADDS VALUE TO THE STREET SCAPE. I DON'T, I REALLY SERIOUSLY DOUBT, EVEN IF IT'S THE PRESCRIBED SIGN STYLE, UH, THAT THE CODE OR THAT THE GUIDELINES CALL FOR, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT THAT, THAT THAT SIGN IS ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING. BUT, BUT, BUT ACHIEVING WHAT THE GENERIC GUIDELINE SAYS, THE SIGN THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US, IT'S ENTICING AND MAYBE IT, IT, IT ASKS FOR ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, BUT IT, I THINK IT, IT, IT, IT'S A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IN THIS CASE IT MAKES PERFECTLY GOOD SENSE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE MOTION. CAN I DO AN AMENDED MOTION? YOU, BY ALL MEANS, CAN DO AN AMENDED MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE, UM, WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION, THE MEAN NO INCREASE IN SIZE, DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, AND THEN, UH, APPROVAL OF NUMBER THREE, NO, UH, COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN. JUST THAT THE SIGN BE, UM, FEATURED INDIRECT LIGHTNING LIGHT, ILLUMINATION, BACK LIT OR HALO LIT, AS WELL AS ALUMINUM AS PER THE GUIDELINES SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION. YEAH, AND I DON'T THINK, UM, OUR PURVIEW WERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN AND I THINK THE APPLICANT IS, IS MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING AND FOR HIS BUSINESS, I THINK THE, UM, THE COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ A VALID, BUT I ALSO, WE ALREADY ARE APPROVING A SIGN IN THE EXISTING POLL THAT INCLUDES THE, THE LOGO AND, AND THERE'S A, AND YOU KNOW, A LIGHTING THERE TOO. SO I DO FEEL LIKE, UH, WE HAVE TO STAY CONSISTENT HERE WITH WHAT WE USUALLY DO AND, AND BY THE GUIDELINES FOR THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING. THANK YOU. DID YOU WANNA MAKE A COMMENT? SORRY. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL START OFF WITH THE VIRTUAL APPLICANT'S COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY. I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER HOLLOWAY. NO, NO, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MIZUKI. NO COMMENT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ADA. NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SABINO. NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. Y YES, SIR. I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT Y YOU KNOW, IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE AN APPLICANT BRINGS BEFORE WELL THOUGHT OUT DESIGN, IT COULD BE LIKE THE PERGOLA IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, SITUATION WHERE IT MAKES A DIS, UH, UH, UH, PUTS IN OUR PURVIEW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FLAT, UH, COVER OR AN, UH, A GABLE COVER. AND IT'S VERY HARD, LIKE, LIKE WITH RESPECT TO THE LAST, UH, CASE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, A, UH, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING THAT MATCHES THE ORIGINAL BUILDING OR DOESN'T MATCH THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. AND IT IS HARD TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING AN AESTHETIC, UH, DECISION, WHICH [01:10:01] YES, IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION THAT PUTS US ALL IN TO TRY TO DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT BECAUSE SOMEHOW THE SIGN IS A, IS A FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENT TO WHAT BRINGS PEOPLE IN THE DOOR. AND WHEN THEY LOOKED AT DESIGNING THEIR BUILDING AND THEY PUT THAT SIGN THERE, I WANNA BE VERY SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE GENTLEMAN HERE SAID. HE SAYS, YES, WE, WE WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IT'LL BE WITHOUT THE LOGO. AND WE HAD A SIGNAGE DOWNTOWN THAT IS AN ART PROJECT THAT WAS, UH, UM, MASSIVE LED SIGNS AND THEY HAD TO HAVE THEIR LOGO ON THERE, WHICH REALLY KIND OF DOWNGRADED THE, THE, THE LED SIGN, RIGHT? BUT THE COMPANIES HAD TO HAVE THEIR LOGOS THERE. THIS IS EQUAL TO THAT. SO THIS IS THE APPLICANT BRINGING SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY DECIDED IS VITAL TO THEIR, TO THEIR PROJECT. AND I THINK IN THEM LOOKING AT THAT, THAT THEY KNOW WHAT'LL WORK FOR THEM. AND, AND I JUST THINK THAT, THAT, THAT SOMETIMES IT'S APPROPRIATE TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS AND TO SAY, UM, NOT, NOT LIKE WE LIKE TO SAY THAT STAFF HAS IT, RIGHT? BUT, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT SEEMS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS IT, HAS IT, RIGHT, HAS WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK IS GONNA WORK. SO, I, I, IF I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION, IS, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR. IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT. IF, IF I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION, IT'S BECAUSE I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT. OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. VICE CHAIR FETZER, I SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW SIGNAGE, I BELIEVE ARE FAIRLY CLEAR. THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR NEW SIGNAGE THAT ARE ALLOWED, THE HALO LIT, THE BACKLIT. UM, THERE, I THINK WORKING WITH STAFF, THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL, SUCH AS IF THE LOGO IS, IS IMPORTANT TO YOUR IMAGE. AND FOR, UH, YOUR BUSINESS, UH, I BELIEVE THERE'S AN OPTION FOR A, UM, AN EXTERNALLY MOUNTED LIGHT THAT SHINES ONTO THE FACE OF THE LOGO, UH, LIKE A PICTURE LIGHT. UH, SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT, THAT YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT, THAT'D BE, UH, YOU COULD COME BACK WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR THAT SIGN. UH, SO YOU MIGHT EXPLORE WITH, UH, STAFF WHAT OTHER OPTIONS MIGHT BE FOR SIGNAGE IF, UM, THE WHAT IS APPROVED TODAY, UH, DOESN'T MEET YOUR, UH, GUIDELINES. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU SIR. ANOTHER QUESTION. SURE. WHAT YOUR QUESTION, SIR? ON OPTION NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE DRIVE THROUGH, IF WE CREATED A, UM, A FRONT LIT, UH, I, I I INDIRECT LIGHTING MENU, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO A DRIVE THROUGH WITH THAT? I'M SURE IF YOU PRESENT THAT TO STAFF AND THEN, UM, THEY CAN WORK WITH YOU GENERALLY. UM, IF, IF THERE WERE SOME TYPE OF CABINET, UH, THAT WERE INDIRECTLY LIT, UM, AT THAT POINT IT ESSENTIALLY MAY FUNCTION AS A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT HAVE A MENU OR WHATNOT THAT'S INDIRECTLY LIT, UM, I THINK THAT THAT POTENTIALLY COULD WORK. AND SO, UH, WE CAN REVIEW OPTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE WE CAN APPROVE ADMINISTRATIVELY, WE WILL, UM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FIND NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THEN WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. PERFECT. ALRIGHT, SO FIRST WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE, UM, AMENDED MOTION SINO AYE. VELASQUEZ NAY GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE. GIDA AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NOW, UM, I'M GONNA LEAN TO LEGAL FOR THIS. SO WE'RE NOW GOING VOTE ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED, CORRECT? OR WE OKAY. ALRIGHT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED? SAVINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. CAN I, CAN I GET PASSED? THAT'S IT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AMENDMENT ORIGINAL MOTION. THERE BE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE, SO, SO WHAT DID WE JUST VOTE ON, ALMA? WE VOTED ON A MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND SO WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE SIR? A THANK YOU GALLOWAY. AYE. [01:15:02] MOOKA AYE. GIDA AYE GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. ITEM NUMBER 13, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 1 6 7 1 0 3 EAST MULBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO, TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AT 1 0 3 EAST MULBERRY, LOCATED WITHIN THE MONO VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS SLIDE CURRENTLY FEATURES A TWO STORY HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING TO DIVIDE THE LOT INTO THREE SEPARATE PARCELS, TWO OF WHICH WOULD FEATURE THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE APPLICANT'S ZONING REQUEST IS PENDING TO BE HEARD BY THE ZONING COMMISSION ON JULY THE 21ST. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING SETBACKS AND BUILDING ORIENTATION. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, ENF STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE SOUTHERN STRUCTURE SHOULD FEATURE A FRONT SETBACK THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 1 0 3 EAST MULBERRY. UH, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FRONT PORCH AND THE SIDE SETBACK FROM NORTH MAINE THAT IS GREATER THAN THE SIDE SETBACK OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 100 EAST AGARITA. THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE SHOULD BE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S PRIMARY MASSING, NOT ONLY THE PORCH MASSING. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE SOUTHERN STRUCTURE, FEATURE AND ORIENTATION TOWARD EAST MULBERRY AS A NORTH SOUTH ORIENTATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING ORIENTATION AT NORTH MAIN AND EAST MULBERRY. AND FOR THE STRUCTURES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE 100 BLOCK OF EAST MULBERRY FOR THE NORTHERN STRUCTURE STAFF RECOMMENDS AN ENTRANCE ORIENTATION TOWARD NORTH MAIN TO BE APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC EXAMPLES ON THIS BLOCK OF NORTH MAINE ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPING, HARDSCAPING AND MASSING AND SCALE SHOULD ALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. A COMPLETE INFILL DESIGN APPLICATION SUPPLEMENT IS REQUIRED WHEN SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, THE APPLICANT, MR. UH, ROBERT LAJA, AND I'M SORRY, I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME, UH, IS HERE VIRTUALLY. I'M GONNA MAKE HIM A PANELIST NOW. UM, LET ME TRY THIS. ALRIGHT, UH, ROBERT, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'VE JOINED, UH, COULD YOU LEAVE AND REJOIN? UM, WEBEX ISN'T LETTING ME MAKE YOU A PANELIST. UH, SO, UM, JUST GOING TO, UH, IF YOU LEAVE AND THEN REJOIN BRIEFLY, I'M GONNA SEE IF THAT CHANGES ANYTHING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT. THAT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED. UH, ROBERT, YOU SHOULD BE ON NOW. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE UNMUTED. SO, UM, ROBERT, I'VE READ EVERY THE REQUEST INTO THE RECORD. SEE YOU THERE NOW, UM, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, PROVIDE THE COMMISSIONERS WITH THE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE REQUEST, UM, DO SO. UM, CURRENTLY I HAVE THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, UH, ON THE SCREEN. IF YOU'D LIKE ME INSTEAD TO, UH, DISPLAY THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU SENT EARLIER TODAY, JUST LET ME KNOW AND I CAN DO THAT. UH, YES, PLEASE. IF YOU COULD, UH, DISPLAY THE, UH, UPDATED SITE PLAN THAT WE SENT TO YOU, UH, EARLIER TODAY, PLEASE. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, PERFECT. UH, ROBERT, IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT, UH, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES. I'LL START THE TIMER. UH, AND THEN COMMISSIONER, SO THAT I DON'T FORGET, WE DO HAVE, UH, CITIZEN TO BE HEARD. MR. RYAN REED, WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. SO, UH, AFTER ROBERT, WE CAN HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENT. SURE. UH, SO CURRENTLY, UH, AT THE MOMENT, UM, SORRY, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO SUBDIVIDE, UH, THE PROPERTY INTO THREE SEPARATE PARCELS, UH, ONE WITH AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE OTHER TWO VACANT FOR, UH, PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. UM, THIS PROJECT FIRST STARTED OUT AS JUST A, UH, SIMPLE, UH, PLAT, [01:20:01] UM, WITH CONCERNS WITH NOT MAKING A NET ACREAGE, UH, IN, UH, R FOUR ZONING. UH, WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REZONING, UM, AND OF COURSE WITH THE REZONING THAT, UM, CAUSED, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF CHAOS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, THEY WERE, WE WERE, UH, WITH THE REZONING, UM, THEY BELIEVE THAT WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING ANY OF THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES. SO THEN THAT, UH, RESULTED US INTO SUBMITTING THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR APPROPRIATENESS. UM, SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO POSSIBLY GET AN APPROVAL ON JUST A SIDE LAYOUT. UM, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL INTENT IS JUST TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY. I CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL PLANS, NO LANDSCAPE PLANS. I DON'T HAVE ANY ELEVATIONS. I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT EXACTLY, UH, HOW THE HOMES ARE GONNA, OR THE WAY THEY'RE GONNA LOOK. UM, I CAN SEE THE FOOTPRINT TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, HOW THE POSSIBLE WAY THE HOUSE CAN BE LAID OUT. UH, THAT IS ALL. SORRY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, LET SEE. SO WE HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS. THAT WAS IT FOR YOU. PERFECT. UM, WHAT WE DO WE HAVE A, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. DO WE HAVE, UM, COMMENTS? YES. UH, WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD. MR. RYAN REED, HE'LL RECEIVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS RYAN REED. I LIVE AT 2 4 2 WEST LYNNWOOD AVENUE, AND I'M THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. SO I'M SPEAKING ON THE ASSOCIATION'S BEHALF AND OPPOSITION OF THIS CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN FOR 1 0 3 EAST SMALL BERRY. UM, AND WE ASK THAT YOU CONCUR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THIS CORNER PARCEL INTO THREE LOTS. UM, THE SITE PLAN HAS CHANGED, UH, SINCE WHAT I LAST SAW, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. UM, HOWEVER, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING STILL DIRECTLY CONFLICTS WITH SECTION FOUR OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, WHICH REQUIRES NEW CONSTRUCTION TO ALIGN WITH THE ESTABLISHED SETBACKS ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGE AND TO ORIENT FACADES AND ENTRANCES CONSISTENT. NOW THAT LADDER ONE SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED HERE WITH THIS CORNER LOT FACING, UH, EAST MULBERRY. UM, OUR CONCERN STILL EXISTS ABOUT THE SETBACK OF THIS CORNER LOT. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE OF THE SETBACKS ON THIS BLOCK, IT WOULD STILL NEED TO MOVE BACK ABOUT 10 FEET, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU CAN DO THAT WITH THIS PROPOSED. UM, REPL, UH, I'LL NOTE THAT THE REPL HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED TO OUR KNOWLEDGE. UM, AS OF MONDAY WHEN I SPOKE, UH, WITH NICOLE SALINAS, UM, THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING IDZ ZONING IN ORDER TO GET THE REDUCED SETBACKS, WHICH IS UNPRECEDENTED AND THE HISTORIC IN THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA OF MONTE VISTA. UM, SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPING THIS PARCEL. UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA MEET WITH, UH, MR. LAHA TOMORROW EVENING, OR WE'RE SCHEDULED TO, UH, TO DISCUSS SOME ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL SPECIFICALLY INSTEAD OF THREE LOTS. HAVING TWO WITH THAT PAGE LEFT HERE, UM, BEING A SINGLE R FOUR WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A SECOND STRUCTURE IN THE REAR, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW IT TO PUSH BACK TO KEEP THAT SETBACK, UM, BUT ALSO KEEP SIDE SETBACKS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS MADE? UM, I WOULD SAY THE ONLY FINDINGS THAT WE HAD WAS THAT, UM, WITH THE, UH, R FOUR ZONING AND OUR CURRENT , UH, WE MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE THE, UM, MINIMUM NET ACREAGE AND WE MAY NOT HAVE TO REZONE TO, UH, IDV. UM, SO IF IT REMAINS OUR FOUR, UM, IMPLEMENTING THOSE SETBACKS, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE IT WORK WITHIN THOSE, UH, SETBACKS OF OUR FOUR AND HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. I HAD ONE MORE THING. WHAT YOUR, YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE SEEN IT AND I'LL HAVE, [01:25:01] IF A, IF COMMISSIONS HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK UP FOR THAT. UM, I'LL START WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS FOR, WE'LL START OFF WITH OUR VIRTUAL APP, VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE. UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MASUKA, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT BETWEEN THE OWNER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ABOUT CHANGES, POSSIBLE CHANGES. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION BETWEEN THEM. THANK YOU SIR. COMMISSIONER G? NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, SIR. DOES THE APPLICANT NEED THIS APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING HEARING NEXT WEEK? UH, GENERALLY A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HDRC TO ZONING, UM, IS MORE OR LESS THE PROCESS THAT'S FOLLOWED. UM, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED, BUT, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FROM HDRC TO ZONING WOULD BENEFIT THE APPLICANT. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS IF IT WAS, UH, APPROVED RIGHT AS THREE DIFFERENT LOTS THEN, UM, BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, YOU HAVE AN EAST MULBERRY FACING PROPERTY, BUT THEN NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NORTH MAIN AVENUE ADDRESS AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THEN THE FRONT FACING. UM, I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT STAFF IS, IS BASING UM, BASING OUR RECOMMENDATION OFF OF THAT, UH, PRIMARILY. LET ME, UM, THIS IS HELPFUL. UM, SO, UH, THE GUIDELINES NOTE TO FOLLOW THE STANDARD OR THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, UM, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF EAST MULBERRY AT THE CORNER THERE FEATURES A STRUCTURE AT 1 0 2 THAT FEATURES, FEATURES A NORTH SOUTH ORIENTATION, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE OR WHAT STAFF FINDS TO BE APPROPRIATE ORIENTATION HERE? UM, I THINK PRIMARILY WHAT STAFF IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS, UM, SHOULD THE PROPOSED LOTS OR DIVISION OF LOTS MOVE FORWARD, UM, STAFF DOESN'T FIND THAT THERE WOULD BE THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW STAFF DOESN'T KNOW HOW THE APPLICANT COULD ADDRESS HAVING APPROPRIATE SETBACKS AND ORIENTATION TO ALSO HAVE AMASSING WITH HEIGHT, ET CETERA, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DESIGN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE, THE, THE LOTS CORRECT. THAT, THAT THEY WOULD WIND UP WITH. UH, THANK YOU. SO THAT'S STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN. AND THEN, UM, AAL WOULD ALSO PLACE THE APPLICANT KIND OF IN A HARD PLACE, RIGHT? IT WOULD 'CAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, IT COULD COME BACK RIGHT? WITH A BIG DESIGN OR SHOULD WE, UM, WELL, UH, UH, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. UM, AND SO, UM, IF THIS WASN'T APPROVED, THEN, UH, YEAH, IN THEORY THE APPLICANT COULD COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT LAYOUTS. I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN TWO, UH, ONE THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE MORE RESPONSIVE TO THE GUIDELINES THAN THE OTHER. UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE, I GUESS THE DIFFICULT THING IS, IS THAT THE APPLICANT'S MOVING FORWARD TO ZONING COMMISSION PRIOR TO BEING ABLE TO GET SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION HERE AT THE COMMISSION, THEN, UM, UH, IT MAY LOCK THEM INTO HAVING TO WORK WITH A CERTAIN LOT LAYOUT THAT MAY NOT RESULT IN A DESIGN THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. WHICH IS GONNA BE MY LAST QUESTION. WAS THERE A REQUEST FOR A DRC OR ANYTHING PRI PREVIOUSLY? UH, NO. AND, AND, AND A DRC COULD BE AN OPTION. UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT WITH THEIR TIMELINE. BUT, UM, WE COULD SCHEDULE THIS FOR A DRC IF THAT WERE THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, YES, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE. MAY WE CALL HIM UP? ABSOLUTELY. I, MR. REED, CAN YOU COMPLETE YOUR STATEMENT? OKAY, AWESOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ STAFF. UM, EDWARD, I, I'M LOOKING AT THE, I WAS LOOKING AT THE FIRST ONE THAT'S IN THE FILE AND, UM, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT ONE. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE THAT CAME UP, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD REFERRED TO IT AS HAVING IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT, IT, IT NOT HAVING A, A PLOT OR A PLOT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I'M, I'M, I'M HEARING THAT Y'ALL LOOKING AT IT, IT SEEMS LIKE AN IMPOSSIBILITY AND I REALLY SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I REALLY DON'T, WE HAVE [01:30:01] TO THINK WITHIN THE CONS WITHIN THE CONSTRUCT OF UDC AND ALL THOSE THINGS, AND IT, IT, IT THROWS ME FOR A CURVE BALL THAT THE UUD C WOULD ALLOW EITHER ONE OF THE, THE OTHER TWO. UM, WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS I'LL START WITH I ZONING SETBACKS, WHETHER THEY WERE THE SETBACKS THAT ARE APPLIED TO RM FOUR OR NO SETBACKS FOR IDZ WOULD OR WOULDN'T ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS. SO THE APPLICANT CAN WORK THROUGH IN THEORY, A ZONING PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR CERTAIN SETBACKS THAT WOULD RESULT IN WHAT WE MAY BE SEE HERE ON THE SECOND PLAN OR WHAT MAY BE ON THE FIRST PLAN. STAFF'S CONCERN IS THAT WHEN YOU APPLY THE GUIDELINES WHERE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A FRONT SETBACK OF ONE STRUCTURE THAT EXCEEDS THE SIDE SETBACK OF ANOTHER, OR IN, IN CONSIDERING WHAT THE GUIDE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES SAVE FOR SETBACKS OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND THE PLACEMENT OF MASSING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION STAFF'S CONCERN IS THAT WITHIN THE SETBACKS THAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD DICTATE, YOU WOULD MAYBE WIND UP WITH A FOOTPRINT OF A HOUSE THAT'S LIKE MAYBE WHAT'S DRAWN IN THE BLUE BOX THERE. UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT STAFF'S CONCERN IS, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR, BASED ON WHAT OUR GUIDELINES ARE RECOMMENDING, UM, MAY OR MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE. UM, NOW OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION'S IN PLACE TO REVIEW EACH APPLICATION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, AND THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, FLEXIBILITY FROM THE COMMISSION STANDPOINT ON, UH, WORKING WITHIN A CERTAIN LOT CONFIGURATION. UM, THAT MAY BE THE RESULT OF, OF ZONING OR THE SUBDIVISION OF THESE LOTS. UH, BUT BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED TO STAFF, STAFF DOESN'T FIND CURRENT CONFIGURATIONS TO BE APPROPRIATE OR CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. WELL, THAT BEING SAID, JUST TO TRY, I'M TRYING TO, UH, FIGURE OUT HOW TO THINK ABOUT THIS NOW. I I, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A ZONE YET, I MEAN, I MEAN NOT A ZONE. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAT YET, THEN IT WOULD BE TOTALLY APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THE PLAT IS APPROPRIATE. THE DIVISION OF LOTS IS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE EVEN IN AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE, INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE ISN'T NECESSARILY, AT LEAST IN SPIRIT INTENDED FOR, YOU KNOW, EXISTING PROPERTY. THAT IS A THING IN ITSELF. IT, IT, IT'S INTENDED TO DEVELOP UNDERUTILIZED PARCELS OF LAND AND TO LAX CODE IN ENVIRONMENTS WHERE, UH, SAY THERE WAS STREET FRONT PARKING IN THE 1920S AND NOW THIS BUILDING HAS STREET FRONT PARKING. WHERE CODE WOULD IT, AN IDZ WOULD ENABLE, UH, CERTAIN THINGS TO CONTINUE. UH, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY INTENDED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD A GRANNY FLAT, UM, ALTHOUGH I CAN SEE HOW IT COULD BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, BUT SINCE NEITHER EXISTS, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE STREETSCAPE FALLS IN OUR PURVIEW, UM, WHICH IS PLANNING, I MEAN, THE, THE GUIDELINES DO APPLY STANDARDS FOR SETBACKS, ORIENTATION, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, MASSING, ET CETERA. UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS FALL WITHIN WHAT WE WOULD BE REVIEWING FOR, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION'S DECISION OR COMMENTS, UH, COULD, UH, HELP INFORM THE APPLICANT MOVING FORWARD OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A POTENTIAL AVENUE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, CERTAINLY, UH, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED, UH, AND WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, NEGATE TO INFORM THE APPLICANT. WHAT'S REALISTIC IN WORKING WITH THE GUIDELINES. UH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT OUR RECOMMENDATION WHERE, UH, WE ALSO COMMENT ON ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND WHATNOT, UM, THAT'S MORE OF AN FYI FOR THE APPLICANT THAT, UH, WHATEVER THE RESULT OF THE SITE PLAN MOVING FORWARD, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, AS WELL AS THE INFIELD DESIGN APPLICATION SUPPLEMENT, UM, WHICH IS GOING TO THEN INFORM THE APPLICANT ON MORE, MORE SO ON SETBACKS, MORE SO ON MASSING, MORE SO ON OVERALL HEIGHT AND WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE DISTRICT. UH, SO, UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN COMBINATION, UH, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT AND, AND IT IS GOOD THAT THE APPLICANT'S HERE SO THAT HE CAN HEAR FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, BEFORE CONTINUING AND, AND MAYBE, UM, HAVING ONE THING OR THE OTHER APPROVED THAT THAT MAY NOT BE AS, UH, CONDUCTIVE TO GETTING THE RESULT THAT THEY WANT. THANK YOU, EDWARD. THANK YOU, SIR. VICE CHAIR FETZER, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE. THE, UM, IT'S HARD TO EVALUATE. WELL, I GUESS I'M INTO COMMENTS. UH, THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. I CAN DO A MOTION, JUST [01:35:01] A MOMENT. UM, QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UH, PULL YOUR REQUEST TO HDRC UNTIL YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND THEIR SUGGESTIONS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TODAY AND MAYBE OTHERS WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR MEETING SINCE YOU ARE PLANNING TO MEET WITH THEM TOMORROW? UH, YES. IF, UH, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF TIME CERTAINTY FOR THAT, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THE NEXT HEARING IS ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST THE FIFTH. UM, THERE ALSO WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE HDRC ON TUESDAY THE 28TH. UH, SO THE APPLICANT COULD DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, MEET WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO HAVE MORE FEEDBACK FROM THIS BODY ON THE 28TH, AND THEN RETURN TO HDRC, UH, TO A FORMAL HEARING ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST THE FIFTH. UH, SO, UH, ROBERT, IF, IF THAT TIMELINE KIND OF WORKS FOR YOU OR YOU THINK THAT'S FINE, THEN JUST SAY THAT, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S FINE. UM, I DID WANNA ASK A QUESTION POSSIBLE. OKAY, SIR. UM, SO LET'S SAY, UH, WE'RE WE STILL PLAN TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO THESE PARCELS THAT ARE SHAPED HERE CURRENTLY. UM, AND WE DON'T REZONE THE PROPERTIES TO IDZ, WE KEEP 'EM R FOUR. UH, WHEN WE DECIDE TO RELA THE PROPERTY, IS A HISTORIC OR OHP REVIEW GONNA BE DONE? UM, I, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, ARE YOU ASKING THAT IF YOU DO OR DON'T MOVE FORWARD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WILL YOU STILL NEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION JUST TO REPL THE PROPERTY? UM, NO, THERE'S NOT A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ISN'T INVOLVED IN THE PLATTING PROCESS. UM, THERE'S AN ARCHEOLOGY REVIEW THAT, THAT IS INVOLVED IN THE PLATTING PROCESS. UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IF, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTIES ARE RE PLATTED, UM, THEN IN THE FUTURE IF SOMEBODY SUBMITS AN APPLICATION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, THERE WOULD BE A REVIEW THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE, UH, FOR, FOR THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S JUST ONE THING TO BE MINDFUL OF, OF, UH, WHEN THEY ARE BEING SUBDIVIDED OR REPLANTED TO HAVE IN MIND THAT, UM, UM, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU MAY WANNA BE CAREFUL TO NOT DIVIDE THE LIGHTS OR, OR GO THROUGH A PLATING PROCESS THAT MAY MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT IN THE FUTURE TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY OR TO BUILD NEW CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. SO ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, WE CAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE COULD DO THIS IN TWO WAYS. UH, WE COULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE WITH TIME CERTAIN FOR HIM TO COME BACK, OR THE APPLICANT CAN ACTUALLY WITHDRAW HIS APPLICATION AND COME BACK AT HI ON HIS TIMELINE. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL LET THE, THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT, BUT, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT TOM WITHIN OUR REVIEW. UM, SO THE 60 DAY REVIEW FOR THIS IS AUGUST THE 25TH. UH, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO ADDITIONAL HEARINGS BETWEEN, UH, NOW AND THE 60 DAY REVIEW. SO, UM, I PROBABLY THE EASIEST THING TO DO FOR NOW WOULD BE FOR, UM, FOR THIS TO BE CONTINUED TO AUGUST THE FIFTH AND THEN ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN HAVE A REVIEW, UM, MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY WANT TO, AND THEN HAVE A REVIEW BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, AND THEN COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AT THE NEXT HEARING, WHICH WILL BE AUGUST THE FIFTH. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? THAT WAS GONNA BE MY MOTION. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. I'LL MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE WITH, UM, UH, TO COME BACK ON AUGUST 5TH, UNLESS THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A FURTHER POSTPONEMENT SECOND. SO, UM, IN YOUR MOTION, SO WE'RE, UM, SINCE HE ASKED FOR OR IS AMENABLE TO A, UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE HEARING, WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAD UP TO HIM. WE'RE NOT GONNA INCLUDE THAT IN YOUR MOTION. I'LL, UH, REVISE MY MOTION TO INCLUDE A, UH, DRC SECOND. THANK YOU. BE MOVED IMPROPERLY. SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. UM, I THINK FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SOME MORE DIALOGUE WITH [01:40:01] THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND FIND OUT AND POSSIBLY WITH, UH, OHP AND FIND OUT WHAT THE, UH, OPPORTUNITIES AND LIMITATIONS ARE FOR HOW THE, UH, THE LOT IS, UH, SUBDIVIDED. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND GO AHEAD, SIR. WHAT I JUST, UH, WANT TO, FOR, FOR, JUST FOR, TO TRY TO THE BALL AS FAR AS POSSIBLE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, THE, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE SECOND LAYOUT, IT SEEMS VERY, VERY PROBLEMATIC, PARTICULARLY TO, TO FIGURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET A 2,600 SQUARE FOOT, 2 2600 SQUARE FOOT, UH, SITUATIONS HERE. NOW, I MIGHT BE A DINOSAUR BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE SITE AND I LOOK AT THE, THE, THE, THE LAND AROUND, UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECTS AND THE PREVAILING PATTERNS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SEEMS VERY UNLIKELY THAT THERE WOULD BE AN APPROVAL OF A DESIGN THAT ATTEMPTED TO PUSH ITSELF ON THE MAIN SIDE AND, AND TO GET ITSELF BEHIND THE ELEVATION ON THE, ON THE, UM, UM, WHAT IS IT, MYRTLE OR STREET IS THAT MULBERRY SIDE. UM, SO IN THAT, IN THE FIRST ITERATION, IT, IT, IT SEEMED MOST POSSIBLE AND ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. AND ON THE SECOND ONE, IT, IT, I JUST, I MEAN, I, I'M, I'M REALLY BAFFLED BY THAT COMMENT THAT SAYS THAT THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN ANY WAY TO SHOOT YOUR PROJECT DOWN. I, I, I MEAN, IT JUST IN THE SENSE THAT ONCE YOU PLA NOW YOU'RE STUCK. YOU, YOU, YOU DID WHAT THEY CALL A, UM, YOU, YOU MADE A CHOICE LIMITING DECISION WHERE NOW ALL YOUR REGULATIONS ARE GONNA RELY ON THIS, THIS DECISION THAT SOMEBODY MADE TO GET, UH, THREE PIECES OF PROPERTY OUT OF THE ONE, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO PROPERTIES WITH A GRANNY FLAT OR SOMETHING. BUT, UM, IT'S JUST THAT THEY'VE GOTTA TAKE THAT PLANNING PART VERY SERIOUSLY WITH RESPECT TO THE DECISIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE MADE THAT IT'S IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANKS, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOU, SIR. UM, GOING AROUND ONE MORE ROUND FOR FINAL COMMENTS. UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY COMMENTS, MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT I ECHO THE, UH, NEED FOR CONTINUED DIALOGUE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MIZUKI, NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GODA, NO COMMENTS. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER GROUP, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SABINO, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR, PROFESSOR, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR FOR ROLL CALL, PLEASE. SINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GUEVARA AYE. GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE ITEM NUMBER 14 PLEASE? ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 1 51 3 53 QUENTIN DRIVE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW APPROXIMATELY 2017 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A VACANT LOT IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS LOT IS A, IS VOID OF EXISTING STRUCTURES. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO 2017 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON A VACANT LOT IN THE MONTICELLO PARK DISTRICT WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT CITE THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE BEHIND THE FRONT SETBACKS OF BOTH ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND PROVIDE AN UPDATED SITE PLAN INDICATING THE PROPOSED FRONT SETBACK, THE FRONT SETBACKS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE REAR SETBACK OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RECONFIGURED THE DESIGN AS NECESSARY TO SIMPLIFY THE COMPOSITION OF THE PRIMARY FACADE, RESULTING IN A DESIGN THAT BETTER REFLECTS THE SIMPLE MASSING AND RESTRAINED FACADE ARTICULATION CHARACTERISTIC OF HOMES WITHIN THE SUBJECT BLOCK. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFY THE ROOF COMPOSITION OF THE PRIMARY FACADE, PERHAPS BY EXPLORING A SHED ROOF OVER THE PORCH AND PRIMARY ENTRY. NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATE THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS COMMONLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT, AS WELL AS SUBMIT PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR BOTH THE DOORS AND WINDOWS FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED DETAILED DRAWING OF THE PORCH COLUMNS AND PROVIDE ALL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE THE SIDING AND ROOFING MATERIALS. NUMBER SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT REVISED THE FLOOR PLAN AS NECESSARY TO RESULT IN A GARAGE THAT IS RECESSED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE. WALL PLANE. INSTALL A GARAGE DOOR THAT IS PANELED TO RESEMBLE WOOD CONSTRUCTION THAT DOES NOT FEATURE [01:45:01] A FO WOOD FINISH OR TEXTURE. AND SUBMIT PRODUCT, PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS OF THE GARAGE DOOR AND SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS IS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. UH, WE HAVE APPLICANT FERNANDO AND THE HOMEOWNER HERE AS WELL. YOU GUYS CAN APPROACH, AND I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ONE. HI, FERNANDO. ELON, 1650 WEST SUCH THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR CASE, SIR. YES, THIS IS A BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH STAFF AND, UH, UH, TO, UH, UH, PROVIDE A GOOD DESIGN TO MEET THE GUIDELINES. AND WE'RE, UH, WE, UH, SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN. WE SUBMITTED THE, UH, ELEVATIONS IN THE FLOOR PLAN AND, UH, AND WE READ THE COMMENTS BACK FROM, UH, FROM STAFF AND WE AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT, AND WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU, SIR. SO TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UH, NO, I'M OKAY. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT, SIR. WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, YES. UH, BIANCA MALTO, SHE'LL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. UH, TOM SIMMONS HAS YIELDED TIME TO HER. GOOD AFTERNOON. BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, OFFERING COMMENTS OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT REVIEWED THE DESIGN. WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF NEW HOUSING IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. HOWEVER, NEW DESIGN SHOULD SEEK TO COMPLIMENT AND HARMONIZE NOT BE IN CONGRUENT. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT OUR FOLLOWING 11 COMMENTS BE ADDED TO A MOTION AS THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO ADDRESS THESE AS THEY WORK TOWARDS FINAL. NUMBER ONE, THE HIP ROOF IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS BLOCK AS THE PITCH OF THE ROOF IS GREATER THAN THE PREVAILING PITCHES OF THE NEIGHBORING HOMES ON THIS BLOCK. NUMBER TWO, THE SADDLE ROOF OVER THE ENTRY DOOR BETWEEN THE TWO GABLES BURIES THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND DOES NOT PROVIDE PROMINENCE THAT THE FRONT DOOR SHOULD HAVE. NUMBER THREE, THE FOCAL POINT OF THE FRONT ELEVATION SHOULD BE THE FRONT DOOR AND IT SHOULD PROJECT MORE LIKE OTHER HOMES, POSSIBLY WITH A STOOP. WE SUPPORT A CLEANER, MORE STREAMLINED SHED ROOF OVER THE FRONT PORCH. CURRENTLY THE EMPHASIS OF THE FRONT PORCH AND THE ROOF IS CENTERED ON THE BEDROOM WINDOWS, NOT THE FRONT DOOR. THE GARAGE DOOR SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THE FRONT DOOR. IT NEEDS TO RECEDE AS IT IS TOO PROMINENT IN ITS CURRENT FORM. NUMBER SEVEN, MISSING ARE THE DETAILS WHICH PROVIDE CHARACTER AND DEFINING FEATURES FOR EXAMPLES, DETAILS SUCH AS TRIM BRACKETS, MOLDINGS, SHUTTERS, AND GABLE VENTS. NUMBER EIGHT, THE PICTURE FRAME TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. DETAILS SUCH AS HAVING AN OFFSET LAYERS, CAPS, CORNICES, RETURNS, MOLDING, NONE OF THIS IS PRESENT. NUMBER NINE, THE EXPOSURE OF THE SIDING SHOULD BE SMALLER THAN PROPOSED. NUMBER 10, THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE FRONT FACADE IS THE CASE OF ONE. EVERYTHING IS A CASE OF ONE AND DOES NOT HAVE A COMPOSITIONAL RHYTHM. THERE'S ONLY ONE BAY, ONE SADDLE, ONE WINDOW, AND IT LACKS RHYTHM NUMBER 11. WE'RE IN A MANDATORY DETENTION AREA AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ADVOCATED FOR A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE BUILDABLE WITHOUT THAT DRAINAGE PROJECT BEING EXECUTED AS THERE WAS A RIVER THAT RUN RAN THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. UH, THE CITY INVESTED OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, UH, TO PREVENT, UH, STORM WATER RUNOFF UP TO A 50 YEAR EVENT FROM CROSSING THIS VACANT LAND. SO WE ASK THAT THAT BE MITIGATED ALSO WITH THE EVALUATION OF GUTTERS ON THIS PROPERTY TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS, UH, CONTINUED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. UM, WE ASK BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL, WE REQUEST THE APPLICANT, WE WELCOME THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM, UH, TO RESPOND TO THEIR DESIGN, TO THEIR THEIR, UH, SEE HOW THEY RESPOND TO OUR COMMENTS AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A CONTINUAL DIALOGUE. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE IT GOT PRESENTED HERE TODAY. WE ALSO SPECIFICALLY ASKED, THIS IS NOT ABOUT STIPULATIONS AS STAFF HAS NOTED. RATHER, THERE ARE SEVERAL DESIGN ELEMENTS WHICH NEED TO BE RESOLVED, NOT SIMPLIFIED. SO WE HOPE THAT YOU TAKE OUR CONSIDERATIONS INTO CONCERN AND, AND AS IN INCORPORATE THEM IN YOUR MOTION AS WE WORK TOWARDS FINAL WITH THIS APPLICANT. UH, WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE A NEW BUILD. THIS IS OUR THIRD NEW HOME IN LESS THAN FOUR YEARS. SO, UH, TO SEE A BOOST OF HOUSING WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD A NEW HOME BUILT IN SO IN SO LONG. UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN AND JUST HOPE THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR COMMENTS AND YOUR MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN THE APPLICANT COME BACK UP? PLEASE? FIRST I'D LIKE TO OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO MAKE COMMENTS BASED ON, UM, WHAT THE, UM, THE ASSOCIATION HAS STATED. [01:50:01] DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, SIR? WELL, THE COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED, I THINK, UH, JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING, SO I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER ALL THE COMMENTS. BUT, UH, WE COULD WORK WITH, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND, AND, UH, AND, UH, AND COME OUT TO AN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH, UH, WITH THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. SO TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE AMENABLE TO MEETING WITH THEM AND, AND WORKING, WORKING THROUGH THOSE SITUATIONS. AND WITH THESE STIPULATIONS THAT SHE'S REQUESTING, UM, BE ADDED TO ANY MOTION WE HAVE HERE, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THOSE? I GOTTA REVIEW EVERYTHING THEY'RE SAYING AND SEE HOW THAT AFFECTS OUR DESIGN, BUT DEFINITELY WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF AND WE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE TOO, UH, TO COME UP WITH AN, UH, A DESIGN THAT FITS PROPERLY. UH, SO WE, WE WILL LOOK AT THEIR COMMENTS AND THEN IF WE COULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR DESIGN SURE. WE CAN APPRECIATE YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS FROM FOR THE APPLICANT? I'LL START WITH OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER. UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MOOKA. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NO QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SINO. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR FETZER. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW STIPULATIONS ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, PLUS WE'VE ALL HEARD, UH, YOU JUST BEFORE THE MEETING AND, UM, PUBLICLY, UH, SEVERAL STIPULATIONS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER. UH, SO INSTEAD OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ACCEPT A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UH, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEN COME BACK FOR A FINAL, UH, WHERE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU CAN, HOW MUCH, HOW, UH, THOSE STIPULATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE, UH, REVIEWED AND POSSIBLY INCORPORATED? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADMIT THAT INTO A MOTION, SIR? YES. UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION. OKAY, SIR. I THINK, UM, GETTING THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TOGETHER, UH, I THINK THERE, UH, IT'LL BE, UH, A BETTER PROJECT WILL BECOME, UH, APPARENT AFTER THAT DISCUSSION AND HA YOU HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND, UM, JUST WANT TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE GIVE YOU A, BEFORE COA IS ISSUED. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL GO DOWN FOR FURTHER COMMENTS. WHAT DID YOU SAY? YEAH. OKAY. SECOND, GO AHEAD. NO, AND I JUST WANTED TO CON, YOU KNOW, REALLY REITERATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT THIS BEING THE THIRD NEW BUILD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED AND STRICT ON IT, BUT I DO, UM, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK THAT YOU, UM, YOU DO, YOU DO HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THESE STIPULATIONS BEFORE FINAL AND EVEN CONSIDER WORKING WITH STAFF IF THERE SHOULD BE A, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT'S OPTIONAL FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, GOING AROUND ONE MORE TIME, UM, FOR FINAL COMMENTS. UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MOOKA, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIDA. NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA, I JUST WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS BY ALL PARTIES, ALL STAKEHOLDERS, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE OUTCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. I, I JUST TO THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, I, I LIKE, UH, TO THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY ON THAT FRONT PORCH TO LOOK AT THE OTHER HOUSES. THEY'RE REAL SIMPLE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO REAL, REAL NICE LOOKING. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A NICE, POSSIBLY LONGER, SIMPLER PORCH. THANK YOU EVERYONE. APPRECIATE IT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SINO? AYE. AYE. AYE. EXCUSE ME. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. GALLOWAY. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GUEVARA. AYE GROUP. AYE. HOLLAND? [01:55:02] AYE. FETZER. AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.