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THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD OF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR FRIDAY, JULY 17TH, 2026.CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS GARCIA.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JASON VASQUEZ, VICE CHAIR AND ACTING FOR TODAY.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONE, ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, NO ANNOUNCEMENTS SO WE CAN, UH, MOVE TO MEETING MINUTES.
THERE'S ALSO, I HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL COMMENTS THIS MORNING.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 26TH, 2026 MEETING? SO MOVED.
CAN I HAVE A RULE CALL PLEASE? GARCIA? AYE.
AND EDWARD, YOU SAID THERE ARE, UH, YES WE CAN.
WELL, THERE, THERE ARE NO GENERAL COMMENTS.
WE CAN DIRECT OUR ATTENTION TO
[CONSENT AGENDA The consent agenda consists of items recommended by staff for approval or approval with stipulations that the applicant accepts. Any member of the public who would like to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and speak prior to the commission’s vote on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda to consider it individually. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.]
THE CONSENT AGENDA.THERE'S ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT'S FIVE 15 EAST HOUSTON
[1. Address/Description: 515 E HOUSTON ST HDRC Case No.: 2026-178 Historic District Name: Alamo Plaza Neighborhood Assn Name: Downtown Applicant: john moniz/LBJR Commercial Properties, LLC Request: Window Replacement City Council Dist.: 1 ]
STREET.IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO PULL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM TODAY? IF NOT, I DO WISH TO, UH, PULL THIS ITEM.
WE HAVE APPLICANT, JOHN MONIZ HERE,
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JOHN MONIZ.UH, THE COMPANY IS LBJR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND THE PROJECT IS TO REPLACE, UH, EXISTING WINDOWS.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS OBVIOUSLY HISTORICAL AND OUR MISSION IS TO CREATE THE EXACT SAME WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THERE AND THAT WE HAVE BIDS AND HAVE DONE THAT AND WE'RE SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND YOU ARE REPLACING IN KIND WITH ABSOLUTELY THE SAME THING.
UH, WORKING WITH STAFF ON REPLACEMENT, WE HAVE DETERMINED, UM, THAT THESE WINDOWS ARE NON-ORIGINAL AND SO THAT OPENS UP OPPORTUNITY FOR A CLAD PRODUCT.
AND I REALLY PULLED THIS ITEM TO, AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, TO SHOW WHAT A DETERIORATED STATE THESE WINDOWS ARE.
THEY'RE, GOD KNOWS HOW OLD AND, UM, IN ABSOLUTE THE WORST CONDITION.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CONDITION OF THEM? YEAH.
THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE, UM, WE'VE DETERMINED, HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITHIN THE LAST 30 YEARS, PERHAPS.
UM, SO THEIR CONDITION IS DECENT.
ALL OF THE BOTTOM SASHES ARE, UM, WASTED.
THE WINDOWS ON THE REAR ARE CERTAINLY IN POOR SHAPE.
UM, AND REPAIRS WOULD CONSTITUTE OVER 50% OF THE ASSEMBLY, HENCE REPLACEMENT BEING, UH, RECOMMENDED.
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE, THE PHOTOS OF THE TERRIBLE CONDITION THEY'RE IN.
AND SO OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEKING WINDOW REPLACEMENT, UH, KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE CASE OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT NEEDED.
UH, LOTS OF TIMES FOLKS COME UP HERE AND THINK THEIR WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED JUST BECAUSE IT HAS A CHIPPING PANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THIS IS A CASE WHERE, UM, IT TRULY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
UM, WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE? WAIT.
OH, WANNA ORDER? PLEASE? GO AHEAD.
AND YOU'RE ACTING FOR SIGNING OVER THE MEETING SO YOU CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION, PLEASE.
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU SPEAK CLEARLY.
YEAH, WE WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU.
YOU CAN, YOU HAVE TO ENTERTAIN THE MOTION.
YOU'RE CURRENTLY ACTING AS, UM, CHAIR, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
NO, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL SAID I CAN MAKE MOTIONS, SO I'M MAKING THE MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? YEAH, I, I, I SECONDED.
COMMISSIONER FULLERTON, I SEE YOUR ONLINE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION? YES.
UH, PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON NEXT STEPS.
AND THANK YOU FOR REPLACING IN KIND.
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MOVE INTO, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE COMMISSIONERS.SO THIS IS CTAP CASE, 2026 DASH 180 3 FOR 4 63 FOR DRIVE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE A PORTION OF THE EXISTING RIBBON DRIVEWAY CLOSEST TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND TO REPLACE IT WITH A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY SLAB, AS WELL AS TO INSTALL CONCRETE IN BETWEEN AND TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY AS DEMONSTRATED IN THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE RIBBONS IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATIONS AND DIMENSIONS ARE MAINTAINED BETWEEN THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE DRIVEWAY APRON.
THE RIBBONS MAY BE DONE IN NEW REINFORCED CONCRETE TWO THAT ONLY THE RIBBONS
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BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BE REPLACED WITH A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY MEASURING A MAXIMUM OF 10 FEET IN WIDTH.AND THREE, THAT AN UPDATED AND DIMENSION SITE PLAN ADHERING TO ALL STIPULATIONS BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE APPLICANT MAY INCLUDE AN UPDATED PROPOSAL FEATURING PERMEABLE MATERIALS FOR IN BETWEEN AND ON EITHER SIDE OF THE EXISTING RIBBON DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE DRIVEWAY APRON.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON ALONG WITH HIS REPRESENTATIVE.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO APPROACH THE, UH, PODIUM AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO SPEAK AND WE DO HAVE AN IN-PERSON, UH, SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AS WELL.
SO WE'LL LISTEN TO THEM AFTERWARD.
THANKS, ADRIAN, LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
MY NAME'S SUEANN PEMBERTON AND I'M HERE WITH ANTONIO PETROV AS HIS ARCHITECT REPRESENTATIVE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE, UH, WE NEED TO SOLVE SOME PROBLEMS, SITE PROBLEMS AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
YOU READY FOR ME TO PRESENT IT? YES.
SO THE, UM, UH, CURRENTLY THE HOUSE IN, UM, MONTICELLO STILL HAS, ITS, ITS RIBBON, UH, DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MANY NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE PROBLEM ARISES IN, UH, SITE DRAINAGE.
UH, THERE IS, UM, BASICALLY IT'S A MUD HOLE
AND, UH, THE PROPOSAL IS TO, UH, RETAIN THE EXISTING RIBBONS AT THE FRONT PART OF THE YARD, BUT AT THE HOUSE ITSELF, UH, THAT NEEDS TO GO TO, UM, A SLAB TO BETTER, UH, DRAIN THE PROPERTY, GET A POSITIVE DRAINAGE.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S A NEGATIVE DRAINAGE AND HE'S HAD THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF FOUNDATION REPAIRS ON IT JUST RECENTLY.
SO THE GOAL IS TO SOLVE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM AS WELL AS SOLVE THE ACCESS TO THE REAR YARD, TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.
THE, UM, THE, THE CONCRETE BETWEEN THE RIBBONS IS INTENDED TO HELP SLOW THE EROSION, AND WE ALSO WANNA PUT PLANTING THERE TO HELP ABSORB THE, THE MOISTURE.
SO ON THE PROPOSAL, THE, UM, THE EXISTING RIBBONS REMAIN, IF WE CAN GET TO, TO THAT, THAT SITE, UM, THAT WE WOULD PUT CONCRETE BETWEEN THOSE RIBBONS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE JUST WASHES AWAY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND SO BY PUTTING THE CONCRETE BETWEEN THE RIBBONS AND THEN PLANTINGS IN BEHIND THAT, THAT CAN HELP SLOW THE EROSION AS IT COMES DOWN, UH, THE DRIVEWAY.
SO WE DO WANT TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO, TO ABSORB MOISTURE AND, UM, UH, ALSO GAIN, YOU KNOW, A POSITIVE DRAINAGE AND ALLOW ACCESS TO THE ACCESSORY DWELLING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF A 10 FOOT SLAB IS ROOM FOR A PARKING A CAR, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW ROOM FOR THEIR TENANT TO, UH, GET TO THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY IN THE BACK.
UH, THE TENANT DOES, UM, REQUIRE SOME ASSISTANCE IN MOBILITY AND IS, UH, SO HAVING ENOUGH SPACE FOR THEM TO GET THROUGH THE BACKYARD IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL AS, AGAIN, SOLVING THAT PROBLEM OF, UH, UH, ACCESS AND DRAINAGE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? UM, MAYBE IF WE CAN GO, UH, THROUGH THE PROPOSAL, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, MAYBE SPEAKING IN THIS, UM, MAYBE GO TO THE, TO THE NEXT ONE.
AND IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND INTRODUCING YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE, OF THE HOUSE CENTER.
SO THIS IS KIND OF CURRENTLY, UH, THE SITUATION.
WE HAVE, UH, THE RIBBON AND I MAINTAINED IT, UM, THE WAY IT IS, HOWEVER, LIKE SUE ANN MENTIONED, UM, EXTENSIVE, UH, RAINFALL, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, IT'S KINDA LIKE INCREASED, UM, THE ISSUES HERE.
AND, UH, I HAVE A TENANT THAT LIVES IN MY, UH, D UM, UH, BACK HOUSE.
AND, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT RAINS LIKE THIS, UM, IT BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE FOR MY TENANT TO KIND OF LIKE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE BACK HOUSE.
IF YOU GO TO THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL, UH, NOTE NOT LIKE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO THIS TRIES TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE EXISTING ISSUES.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE RIBBON, UH, SEEN AS SEEN FROM THE STREET.
UM, YET WE ARE GONNA ADDRESS REAL PRACTICAL ISSUES,
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UM, THAT MAKE THAT, THAT MAKE MY INVESTMENT ACTUALLY WORTH.LIKE AT THIS POINT I'M INVESTING, I JUST PAID $20,000 FOR, UM, ADJUSTMENT OF THE FOUNDATION IN THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHERE ALL THE WATER KIND OF LIKE, UM, POOLS AND, AND SINKS THE HOUSE.
IT SUNK IT BY THREE, THREE INCHES.
AND I HAVE PAID ANOTHER $19,000 FOR A NEW AIR CONDITIONING UNIT.
SO I HAVE A WILLINGNESS TO ACTUALLY INVEST INTO THE PROPERTY, BUT IT HAS TO WORK, IT HAS TO KIND OF LIKE BE FUNCTIONAL.
AND AT THIS POINT, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH ALL THE MUD, UH, IT JUST ISN'T, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE IMAGES, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THIS IS MY SITUATION, THAT THIS IS JUST NOT A FEASIBLE, UH, UH, UH, CONDITION.
AND IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, IT IS, BECOMES ACTUALLY A PROBLEM IN ALL OF THE, UH, RIBBON, UM, HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY KIND OF DISTRIBUTE MUD TO THE STREET.
AND I WONDER, UM, IF THIS KIND OF LIKE HELPS US WHEN IT COMES TO INTEGRITY OF HISTORIC DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, IF YOU THEN LOOK AT HOUSES THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, TYPOLOGY, UM, TO ACCESS THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE, UM, THESE KIND OF ISSUES.
AND CURRENTLY THE, UH, TENANT HAS TO WALK ON THE NEIGHBOR'S LAWN IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT BACKYARD FENCE AND THEY HAVE CONCRETE BLOCKS LAID OUT SO THAT THEY CAN GET THERE, UH, AND STAY OUT OF THE, AND STAY OUTTA THE MUD.
SO THE CURRENT CONDITION DOES NOT WORK.
CAN I HAVE THE RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, YES.
UH, BIAN MALDONADO IS SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
TOM SIMMONS HAS YIELDED TIME TO HER.
SO BIANCA WILL RECEIVE FOUR TOTAL MINUTES.
YOU CAN JUST PUT THE PHOTOS UP.
GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO WITH MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION POST OFFICE BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE APPRECIATE PROPERTY OWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST AND PRESERVE THEIR HISTORIC HOMES AND PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, WE DISAGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
THE EXISTING RIBBONS FROM THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE TO THE REAR PLANE OF THE HOME SHOULD BE MAINTAINED.
AS THIS IS IN THE VISIBLE AREA OF THE PROPERTY, A MIXED APPLICATION OF SOLID AND RIBBON WOULD BE A LOSS TO THIS PROPERTY.
BASED ON THE SUBMITTED PHOTOS AT 4 63, THE OWNER HAS BEEN DRIVING ON THE, HAS NOT BEEN DRIVING ON THE EXISTING RIBBONS, WHICH HAS EXACERBATED THE SITUATION AT HAND.
WE RECOMMEND THE PROPERTY BE REGRADED ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
OTHER SITE DRAINAGE SOLUTIONS SUCH AS FRENCH DRAINS BE CONSIDERED, AND THAT NEW RIBBONS BE CONFIGURED WITH NEW SUPPORT AND NEW CONCRETE.
NEW RIBBONS HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY EXECUTED WITH MANY OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY JUST TWO DOORS DOWN AT 4, 4 7 FUR DRIVE AND AN ADMIN APPROVAL WAS RECENTLY PROVIDED AT FOUR 15 FUR DRIVE ON THE SAME BLOCK.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PHOTO HERE, UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT MAKES THE CASE FOR PRESERVING THE, THE, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAY IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S ACTUALLY A SOLID DRIVEWAY.
OF COURSE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A RUNOFF WHEN PEOPLE DON'T MAINTAIN A YARD, AND WE HAVE SLOPE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF EXCESSIVE DRAINAGE ALONG DRIVEWAYS.
MOST OF THESE HOMES PRIMARILY DRAIN ALONG THE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE EXISTING STREETSCAPE DOCUMENTATION SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, THIS IS THE PHOTO WITH THE OTHER IMAGES OF DRIVEWAYS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE PRESERVED.
THESE PHOTOS ARE TAKEN OF PROPERTIES THAT NEVER HAD RIBBON DRIVEWAYS, UM, AND OR WERE CHANGED PRIOR TO BEING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED RAIN GARDEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, WE DON'T, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING OTHER THAN A GROUND COVER PLANT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DWARF YAPO.
THEY CAN GET THREE TO FIVE FEET TALL.
MELY BLUE SAGE THE SAME, BUT THEY BOTH MATURE TWO TO HAUL IN HEIGHT TO ALLOW A VEHICLE TO DRIVE OVER THEM.
ALSO, THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF TWO CREPE MYRTLES WILL CREATE AN OFFSET THAT WILL IMPEDE THE OPERATION OF THE VEHICLE TO MAINTAIN ITS OPERATION.
ON THE RIBBONS, THERE ARE 31 HOMES ON THE 400 BLOCK OF FUR DRIVE.
OF THOSE 31 HOMES, THE FOUR CORNER LOTS, 4 0 1, 4 0 2 4 70 AND 4 71 HAVE DOUBLE WITH DRIVEWAY APPROACHES.
OFF THE SIDE STREET, THERE ARE 27 HOMES WITH DRIVEWAY CURB CUTS ON THE 400 BLOCK OF FUR DRIVE THAT FACE.
THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS, 20 OF THOSE HOMES HAVE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS.
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FOLKS, THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT.THERE ARE ONLY SEVEN THAT HAVE SOLID DRIVEWAYS.
AND SO I PROVIDE AN AERIAL IMAGE THAT SHOWS THE XS WHERE THERE ARE SOLID DRIVEWAYS AND THE CHECK MARKS WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY RIBBON DRIVEWAYS.
THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE HIGHEST, UM, UH, PERCENTAGES OF RIBBON DRIVEWAYS THAT REMAIN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THIS WAS A BOND PROJECT THAT REDID THIS ENTIRE STREET, AND THE CITY WAS VERY SENSITIVE TO ENSURING AND MAINTAINING PROPER CONNECTION.
YES, THERE ARE PHOTOS OF A WASHOUT IN THOSE PRIOR PHOTOS.
THERE WAS ONE CAR THAT THAT'S NOT DRIVING ON THE DRIVEWAY, ON THE RIBBONS.
IF YOU DON'T DRIVE ON THE RIBBONS AND IT'S MUDDY AND YOU GET ON THE, ON THE DIRT, OF COURSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EVEN MORE RUNOFF.
AND SO I KNOW THE PERSON IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE IS LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THEIRS TOO.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE APPROVAL FOR A RECONSTRUCTION OF A RIBBON DRIVEWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE REAR FENCE AND DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED PLANTINGS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
WE NOTE THAT APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT CAN RETURN TO STAFF WITH MORE GROUND COVER OPTIONS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
WE ALSO PROVIDED AN IMAGERY OF THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT SHOWS THAT THE DRAINAGE ON THIS LOT IS FROM THE NORTHEAST TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
IN CLOSING QUICKLY, WE DO KNOW THAT OTHER PROPERTIES HAVE ENLARGED THE RIBBONS WHEN THEY'VE DONE REPLACEMENT AND A MARGINAL AMOUNT, AND WE WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO THAT AS LONG AS THAT CENTER STRIP IS MAINTAINED.
UM, AND WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE.
AND MA'AM, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, YOU SAID THE OTHER TWO ADDRESSES THAT RECENTLY REPLACED THEIR RIBBONS WERE 4 47 AND FOUR 15 FOR A DRIVE.
FOUR 15 HAS NOT DONE THE WORK YET.
AND THEN, UM, YOUR, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WISHES TO KEEP THE RIBBON ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK TO THE FENCE.
WE THOUGHT IT CREATED A CONFUSING HISTORY.
IF YOU HAVE A SOLID, IF IT WAS BEHIND A FENCE AND IT WASN'T VISIBLE, WE UNDERSTAND.
AND, UM, WE SEE, WE SEE THE CHALLENGES WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY, BUT THE CHALLENGES OF MANEUVERING CARS IN A DRIVEWAY, THIS EXISTED MORE THAN 50% OF THE HOUSES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND HAVING A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH A NEIGHBOR TO BE ABLE TO WALK ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HUGE THING.
WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE A LITTLE ADVERSARIAL WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
SO I'M, I'M, I AM SENSITIVE TO IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A COMMON FEATURE THAT WE SEE WITH THE WIDTHS OF OUR LOTS.
AND WASN'T THERE A PROPERTY ON, I THINK I REMEMBER FROM A PREVIOUS CASE ON DONALDSON AT THE CORNER OF CANMAN, UH, THAT HAD THEIR RIBBON REPLACED, UH, UP TO THE GATE? YES.
IT WAS ON 600 BLOCK THE CORNER OF CANMAN AND DONALDSON.
AND, UM, THEY WIDENED THE, WAS IT THE RIBBON WIDENED JUST A LITTLE? I THINK THEY WIDENED THE RIBBON JUST A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE AMENABLE TO THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND I WASN'T SURE IF WE WERE GONNA STAND UP HERE AND DESIGN IT TODAY.
SO, UM, WE, WE FEEL THAT THAT IS SUPPORTIVE IN, IN RECONSTRUCTING WITHIN A MORE SOLID CONCRETE AND A MORE, IF YOU SEE THE NEW RIBBONS THAT ARE DONE, THEY'RE JUST VERY ROBUST AND CAN REALLY HANDLE THE WEIGHT OF TODAY'S CARS.
AND THE OTHER WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE TO, LET'S SEE, KEEP THE RIBBON ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK FENCE AND THEN ALSO TO DENY THE PROPOSED PLANTINGS.
UH, LIKE DWARF UPON HOLLY, WHICH WOULD COME UP IN THE, WOULD HIT THE BOTTOM OF THE CAR.
WE FEEL THAT THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE OPERATION OF AND PRESERVATION OF A RIBBON DRIVEWAY AND PROVIDING PLANTING CREPE MYRTLES IN THE DRIVEWAY THE SAME TO ME, THAT WOULD MAKE YOU GO AROUND IT.
HOW WOULD YOU OPEN YOUR CAR DOORS IF YOU HAD CREPE MYRTLES ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE ON A DRIVEWAY? ONCE AGAIN, IT'S EXACERBATING THE SITUATION WITH THE SETBACKS THAT YOU HAVE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND HANGING ON JUST FOR A SECOND IN CASE THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVE? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? ANY QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES ON MY RIGHT? UH, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION OR IT IN REGARD TO THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO WHAT WAS JUST STATED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING? WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THE IDEA OF USING SOMETHING ELSE? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT, UH, UH, WE DEFINITELY WANNA KEEP, GET SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S GOING TO ABSORB MOISTURE, THAT'S GONNA CATCH THAT RUNOFF AND, UH, KEEP IT CLOSER TO THE SITE.
UM, DOING THE RIBBONS ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THE BACK PROPERTY OR
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TO THE GATE DOESN'T SOLVE THE ACCESS ISSUE AT ALL.UM, I THINK THAT THE REASON PEOPLE AREN'T DRIVING ON THE RIBBONS EXACTLY IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUTTA THEIR CARS INTO A DRY SPOT, UH, BECAUSE THE WIDTH IS ONLY WIDE ENOUGH FOR THOSE VEHICLES.
AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE HERE, BUT WE DEFINITELY THINK THAT A, UH, A SOLID CONCRETE SLAB AT THE GATE AS A WAY TO PARK AND PROVIDE ACCESS AND RESOLVE THE DRAINAGE ISSUE IS, IS A REASONABLE CONSIDERATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.
CAN I MAY ADD SOME SOMETHING? YEAH.
LIKE, UM, ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBOR'S PICTURE WHY THEY'RE PARKING NOT ON THE RIBBONS NEXT TO IT, IT'S BECAUSE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PASS, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO ACTUALLY WALK FROM A TO B AND THEY'RE USING THE RIBBON AND NOT LIKE THE AREAS THAT TEND TO BE MUDDY IN, IN RAINY CONDITIONS LIKE THIS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE PARKING OFF OFF THE RIBBON.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I DON'T THINK SO.
ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE? MADAM CHAIR? NO.
ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR CAR ON THE LEFT SIDE, PRETTY MUCH COULDN'T THE RIBBONS BE MOVED OVER A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT, MAKING IT ABLE TO PARK ON THE RIBBONS AND STILL GET OUT WITHOUT BEING IN THE MUD? SO, UH, COMMISSIONER, JUST TO THAT POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR GUIDELINES STATE THAT THE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY RIBBONS BE MAINTAINED IN KIND IN PLACE.
SO MOVING THEM OVER IS AN ALTERATION TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC CONFIGURATION THAT WAS THERE IN ITS IN PLACE.
NOW, YOU OF COURSE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CRAFT A MOTION AS YOU WISH.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR STANCE, OF COURSE IS THAT THEY BE MAINTAINED WHERE THEY ARE, UH, IN PARTICULAR BETWEEN THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE AND THE STREET.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, COLLEAGUES? NOPE.
I MEAN, THE, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, NO ONE HAVING AN ISSUE.
IF THE CONCRETE SLAB WERE A CONCRETE SLAB, THEY CAN BUILD THE FENCE RIGHT? ADMINISTRATIVELY EQUAL TO THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE.
SO WHERE THEY WANNA PUT THAT CONCRETE PAD COULD BE BEHIND A FENCE, RIGHT? IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO, AND THEN IT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, OUR GUIDELINES SAY THAT THE RIBBONS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED WHERE THEY EXIST.
BUT, AND I'LL REFER YOU TO OUR, UM, OUR OFFENSE POLICY DOCUMENT HERE THAT WE LOOKED AT IN OUR LAST COMMISSION, WHERE AS YOU, AS YOU KNOW, AS YOU POINTED OUT, COMMISSIONER DAVIS, UM, RIGHT NOW, THE GATE THAT THEY HAVE IS AT THE REAR PLANE OF THE HOUSE.
RIGHT? AND SO TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, THE, THE RIBBONS ARE VISIBLE ALL THE WAY TO THE GATE AT THE BACK.
NOW THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, SEEK APPROVAL FROM US FOR MOVING THAT DRIVEWAY GATE FORWARD TO, AS, AS YOU KNOW, TO THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE, TO JUST BEHIND IT.
AND SO IN DOING SO, THEN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DRIVEWAY SLAB, THAT SECTION OF RIBBONS, IF IT WERE TO BE APPROVED TO BE REPLACED BEHIND THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AT, AT ANY POINT IT WOULD BECOME INVISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT'S NOT CURRENTLY INVISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE TO THEM, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE ARE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU REMOVE THE RIBBONS BEHIND IT, YOU KNOW, THOSE COULD POTENTIALLY BE, BECOME INVISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, GO AHEAD, MADAM CHAIR ONLINE.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME OR NOT SPEAK JUST A LITTLE LOUDER.
YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE IN A TUNNEL.
MY ONLY CONCERN, SO THE CO UM, GOING BACK TO WHAT THE STAFF HAS, UH, HAS, UM, SUGGESTED, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS ADDRESSING THAT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY RIBBON IS THERE'S BEEN A SOLUTION THAT WAS ACTUALLY PROVIDED THAT WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY WIDEN THE RIBBONS, RIGHT? THE RIBBONS WHERE THE, THE, THE TIRES CAN BE DRIVEN OFF.
THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I FOUND, MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT WE'RE CURRENT TO PULL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY,
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THERE ISN'T A GATE YET, AND THE REQUEST HASN'T EVEN BEEN SUBMITTED FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO HAVE A GATE MAINTAINED, WHICH IS ALREADY AT THE FAR END OF THE RIBBON.OKAY? SO WE'RE ALREADY ANTICIPATING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, BUT HOMES ARE IN A DIFFERENT HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE THE OTHERS ARE.
UM, A VALID POINT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I BELIEVE THE STATEMENT WAS LIKE 65% OF THE HOUSE IS STILL MAINTAINED, DRIVEN, YOU KNOW, DRIVEN, UH, THE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS AND WE'RE FORECASTING, WHICH ISN'T EVEN IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
THE DRIP, UH, RIBBON DRIVEWAYS ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE BASE OF THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
OKAY? YOU CAN'T MAKE PROVISIONS ON SOMETHING, WHAT POTENTIALLY IS THERE AND WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE NOW, OKAY? AT WHAT POINT ARE WE NOT APPROVING WHAT WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY AND WHAT'S BEEN PUT IN PLACE? AND I KNOW WE CAN MAKE AMENDMENTS TO CERTAIN THINGS, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ALREADY MAKING PROVISIONS AND AMENDMENTS TO WHAT IS NOT IN PLACE.
WHAT HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED AND WHAT HAS NOT BEEN REQUESTED.
THAT IS MY CONCERN ON WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE ADDRESSING THE RIBBON RIGHT NOW AS IT IS WHERE THE EGG IS, AS IT IS THE WIDTH OF THE RIBBONS, RIGHT? WHICH IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION IS.
WE'RE NOT MAKING A FOURTH FOR POTENTIAL.
WHAT WOULD YOU POTENTIALLY BE? THAT IS MY COMMENTS QUESTION.
UH, I, I WANNA COMMEND THE, UH, A FOR HAVING MULTIPLE YEARS OF CAREFUL STEWARDSHIP HERE AND, AND CLEARLY A VERY THOUGHTFUL PLAN AND THE ADVICE, UH, EXPERIENCED ARCHITECT AND, UM, HISTORIC PRESERVATIONISTS AT THE SAME TIME.
I'M, I'M REMEMBERING SOME OF THE COMMENTS OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTACT AND LOCATION AND PRESERVATION.
UM, SO BE BEYOND THE COMPLIANCE ELEMENT OF ALL OF THIS.
AND WE ARE THE
I AM, UH, REMINDED OF THE FACT THAT BEING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT SOMETIMES MEANS WE TAKE THINGS AS THEY ARE.
WE LEARN TO ADAPT AS BEST AS WE CAN IN THAT CONTEXT.
AND THERE ARE SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT WE COULD MAKE IN THE SHORT TERM THAT MIGHT MAKE LIFE A LITTLE EASIER HERE AND THERE.
AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT EACH LITTLE PIECE THAT WE HACK AWAY STARTS TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF THAT DISTRICT THAT ARE THE REASON FOR THE DISTRICT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I'M REALLY RELUCTANT TO START CAVING OFF SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS, UH, THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE DISTRICT.
LAST CALL FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
IF NOT, UM, I'D LIKE TO ATTEMPT TO CRAFT A MOTION KEEPING THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE CURRENT FENCE OR TO THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, TO THE CURRENT FENCE, ALLOWING FOR, UH, WIDTH, UH, ALLOWING FOR EXTRA WIDTH WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
UM, MODIFYING THE LANDSCAPE TO BE GROUND COVER.
AND LET'S SEE THAT, I THINK THAT COVERS, YEAH.
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SO AGAIN, STATING MY MOTION TO KEEP THE RIBBON, BUT ALLOW FOR RECONSTRUCTION WITHIN KEEPING THE RIBBONS, UH, WITHIN GUIDELINES, BUT ALLOWING RECONSTRUCTION AND WITH EXTENSION.UH, SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE CRAFTING A MOTION TO SAY, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT KEEP RIBBONS.
THE RIBBONS CAN BE WIDENED, THEY CAN BE EXTENDED.
UM, I THINK PART OF THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO NOTE THE EXTENSION WHERE THEY NEED TO STOP.
UH, AND THEN ALSO YOU NOTED THE INCLUSION OF GROUND COVER.
UH, SO SOME PARAMETERS TO THAT TO SAY CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY GUIDE FOR ZERO ESCAPING CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, SOMETHING FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH.
AND I JUST WANNA CRAFT IT ENSURING THAT, UH, THE RIBBONS GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CURRENT VENTS THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, NOT JUST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME.
CAN WE SPEAK? OH, NO, WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION IN PLACE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? UH, CAN WE HAVE DISCUSSION? OH, SURE.
UM, I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR MOTION IS EXACTLY, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, WITH MAYBE STILL NEEDING SOME OF THE DETAIL THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT ONE, TWO, AND THREE, UM, ONE SAYS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, RIGHT, THAT THE RIBBONS IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS AND DIMENSIONS ARE MAINTAINED BETWEEN THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN THE DRIVEWAY APRON.
THIS FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS ONLY TO THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, RIGHT? OR DO YOU? I DO.
UM, IT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED ALL THE WAY TO THE CURRENT BACK GATE THAT IS THERE NOT TO THE FRONT PLANE OF THE STRUCTURE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? YES, I UNDERSTAND.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, OR THE, UH, WIDTH OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, CONCRETE, WE'RE APPROVING IT BE WIDENED BY HOW MUCH, UH, WITH WHATEVER IS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES? UH, WELL, THE GUIDELINES DON'T PARTICULARLY STATE WHAT THE HISTORIC WIDTH OF A RIBBON STRIP IS.
UH, THE GUIDELINES DO GIVE SPECIFICS THAT DRIVEWAYS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS TYPICALLY AREN'T WATER THAN 10 FEET.
UH, SO, UH, IN THE PAST WE'VE SEEN APPLICANTS SUBMIT A THREE FOOT WIDE RIBBON STRIP WITH A THREE FOOT GAP AND THEN THREE FOOT WIDE RIBBON STRIP, AND THAT'S WITHIN 10 FEET.
UM, THERE, THERE AREN'T PARAMETERS FOR, FOR RIBBON STRIPS, UH, AT THAT POINT, EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT WOULD SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR HAS A RIBBON STRIP THAT'S 32 INCHES WIDE.
THIS NEIGHBOR HAS ONE THAT'S 36 INCHES WIDE.
IT, IT, IT'S A LITTLE, SO CAN YOU QUICKLY ANSWER WHAT HAS BEEN TYPICALLY USED WITHIN MONTICELLO PARK? I DON'T KNOW.
IS IT 3, 3 3? I I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED, OR I, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, UH, BUT SO, BUT WIDER STRIPS HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ALLOW FOR.
UH, WOULD THE VICE CHAIR, UM, BE INTERESTED OR BE AMENABLE TO, UM, EITHER WITHDRAWING THE MOTION AND, AND POSTPONING IT UNTIL THE NEXT MONTH TO GIVE, UH, THE CLIENT AND STAFF TIME TO WORK, UM, ON ANOTHER PROPOSAL? UM, BECAUSE I, I FEEL, I JUST, I'M AGREEING WITH, WITH COMMISSIONER GARCIA, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHAT THE MOTION IS AND I THINK THE APPLICANT IS CONFUSED ON THE MOTION AS WELL.
SO I, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO POSTPONING IT AND LETTING THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE STAFF ON ANOTHER PROPOSAL? I DON'T WISH TO PROPOSE, I'M SORRY TO POSTPONE IT.
BUT I'M TRYING TO HELP Y'ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY.
HOWEVER, THERE COULD BE AN ALTERNATE MOTION OR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
I, I I I THINK EVERYTHING IS IN THERE EXCEPT FOR IT THAT
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ON I I COUNSEL THERE WAS ALREADY A FIRST AND A SECOND.BUT ALSO, INSTEAD OF NEGOTIATING WHETHER OR NOT TO RECRAFT A MOTION AS A COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO MAKE, UM, A SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR A MOTION TO AMEND THE MAIN MOTION.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, AND I'LL SAY, I MEAN I'M NOT IN IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND CHANGE IT FROM, UH, THAT IT'S MAINTAINED BETWEEN THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE DRIVEWAY INTO, TO THE FENCE GATE AND THE PRIMARY OF THE PRE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURRENT FENCE GATE OR THAT ALL THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY IS MAINTAINED.
AND, AND THEN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO WOULD BE ACCEPTED AT RECOMMENDATION AND THREE IS THE THING YOU HAVE THE, THE PROBLEM WITH.
BUT I THINK IN THE SENSE THAT THEY HAVE ALL THE ABILITY AND RIGHT TO PUT A FENCE UP AROUND, UP UNTIL THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WOULD BE UPSET, YOU KNOW, MORE UPSET BY THE FENCE BEING MOVED THAN THE CONCRETE PAD.
I MEAN, THEY CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.
AND SO IT'S JUST HOW MUCH WE'RE GONNA MAKE 'EM CHANGE AND PAY BEFORE THAT POINT,
WELL THEN, SO WOULD AN AMENDMENT BE OFFERED NOW OR DO WE VOTE ON, SINCE THERE'S NO AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THE MAIN MOTION.
ALRIGHT, JUST CALL, I CALL THE QUESTION.
SO NOW WE, SHE'S CALLING THE QUESTION, SO SHE'S ASKING FOR END OF DISCUSSION AND A VOTE ON MOTION.
NAY BRI REGARD NAY SPILLER AYE.
FULLERTON, NAY P*****K NAY SPEEDS.
AND ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE MOTION PLEASE.
I MOVE TO, UH, ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
UM, IT, UH, IT MIGHT BE BETTER FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT TO CONSIDER WHAT ALTERNATIVE IS BEST FOR THEM AND REVISE THE PROPOSAL BETWEEN HAVING THE, UH, GATE MOVED UP AND A 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY OR WIDENING THE, UH, RIBBONS, UH, ALL THE WAY BACK.
AREN'T THOSE BOTH OPTIONS? CAN I SPEAK? GO AHEAD.
WIDENING THE RIBBONS ALL THE WAY BACK RESOLVES NOTHING, BASICALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS THE, THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE.
PUTTING THE, UH, SLAB AND MOVING THE FENCE DOESN'T ALLOW ANY EASIER ACCESS TO THE REAR YARD THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UH, IT'LL ALLOW US TO ELEVATE THE, THE, THE, THE PADS SO THAT IT MAY BECOME A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO WALK ON, BUT IT STILL GOING TO, IT STILL DOESN'T RESOLVE THE DRAINAGE AND IT DOESN'T RESOLVE THE ACCESSIBILITY.
WORKING WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH.
GO AHEAD AND, UH, COMMISSIONER FULLERTON.
OH, SORRY, I FORGOT TO TAKE THAT DOWN.
I'M GONNA GO RIGHT BACK TO THE SAME THING ON WHY WE'RE CALLED TO BE HERE.
IF THESE PROVISIONS WERE SET IN PLACE FOR US TO SAFEGUARD THE HISTORICAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN PLACE.
AND MY CONCERN IS AT WHAT TIME ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE TO UPHOLD THE GUIDELINES? AND I UNDERSTAND AMENDMENTS MAKING MODIFICATION, BUT AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS THESE GUIDE ARE PUT IN PLACE TO SAFEGUARD WHAT HAS ALREADY IN SO MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN DONE AWAY WITH.
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AND I'M LOOKING AT THESE AT, AT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I UNDERSTAND NEED, YOU KNOW, FOR COMFORT AND, AND ADVANCEMENT.BUT YOU'RE LITERALLY TAKING AWAY, I APOLOGIZE, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
WE ARE NOT VIEWING ON WHY WE ARE SITTING ON THIS BOARD AND COMMISSIONS AND A POLLING.
WE ARE ASKED TO REMOVE, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS BOARD'S POSITION AND COMMISSIONS FOR A PERSONAL VIEW AND PUT IN THE CONCERNS ON WHAT IS NEEDED TO MAINTAIN WHAT SO MANY AREAS ARE BEING DONE AWAY FROM.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR DRAINAGE.
THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT WILLING TO UPHOLD.
AND WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSED THIS EVEN WITH THE WINDOWS, DRIVEWAYS DOORS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE LUXURIES THAT, THAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO IN SO MANY NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE EVEN HAVE DRIVEWAYS AND YOU'RE ASKING US FOR RULES THAT WE'VE BEEN CHARGED TO BY OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN TO REALLY MAKE AMENDMENTS ON THINGS THAT WE PUT INTO SAFEGUARD OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, I SECOND HER COMMENTS AND, UM, SAY THAT THIS IS, UH, WHY WE ARE IN PLACE.
UM, WOULD IT HELP THE APPLICANTS IF WE LIKE THE OTHER COMMISSIONER, UM, MENTIONED POSTPONING THIS AND ALLOWING FOR FURTHER DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOURSELVES.
AND THIS WOULD BE UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR THOUGH.
YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? SORRY.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF IT.
AND IT'S ONLY DISCUSSION NOW BETWEEN THE COMMISSION TO DELIBERATE ON THE MOTION AT HAND AS ACTING CHAIR.
CAN I CALL FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION? 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY.
CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION PLEASE? TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
VASQUEZ NAY AND SEPULVEDA? NAY.
I'D LIKE TO, UM, PROPOSE A SECOND OR A THIRD MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE UNTIL NEXT MONTH'S, UH, MEETING
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT TO DISCUSS.
CAN I HAVE A MO ROLL CALL PLEASE? OH, WHAT IS THE DATE? SORRY.
SO I CAN STATE THAT IN THE MOTION OF THE NEXT MEETING.
THE NEXT CTA HEARING IS ON FRIDAY, AUGUST THE 21ST.
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UH, POSTPONE UNTIL AUGUST 21ST, 2026.PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE NEXT STEPS AND ALSO WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING FORWARD.
UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UH, CHAIRWOMAN SEPULVEDA TRANSLATION, UH, IS UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, FOR THEIR TRANSLATION.
UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD, UM, TRY TO ADJUST YOUR AUDIO OR IF YOU COULD CALL IN USING YOUR CELL PHONE AND JUST MUTE YOUR COMPUTER VOLUME AS WELL AS YOUR SPEAKING VOLUME.
UH, WE MAY BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU BETTER THAT WAY.
IT'S ALSO DIFFICULT FOR US HERE IN THE BOARDROOM TO TO HEAR YOU CLEARLY.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD CALL IN THAT MAY A THAT MAY BE, I APOLOGIZE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 1 6 9 4 0 6 DALLAS STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE 11 HISTORIC ONE OVER ONE WOODEN WINDOWS WITH A FIBERGLASS DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW PRODUCT.
UH, GOOD MORNING, MY, NOT QUITE YET.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
EXISTING WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPAIRED AND RETROFITTED CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE APPLICANT MAY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION DURING THE REPAIR PROCESS TO DEMONSTRATE THE FEASIBILITY OF RETAINING ORIGINAL MATERIALS FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION OF REPLACEMENT ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASEMENT BASIS WITH AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED AN ADDITIONAL, UM, PRESENTATION OF SORTS, WHICH IS IN YOUR LATE FOLDER.
AND, UH, WE HAVE BOB TAG HERE AND, UH, YOU, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR CASE PLEASE.
MY NAME IS BOB LEY, AND AS, AS, UH, CATLAN SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE SOME, UH, WINDOWS AT OUR HOUSE.
IT IS LOCATED BETWEEN CENTRAL CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL AND THE BAPTIST MEMORIAL HOSPITAL.
UH, WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, UH, WE WANTED TO LIVE DOWNTOWN.
I WORKED WITH THE CITY AND MY WIFE WORKED AT SAN ANTONIO COLLEGE.
SO IT WAS SOMETHING WE, IT WAS, IT WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE.
WE DID ALL THE ELECTRICAL, ALL THE PLUMBING, AIR CONDITIONING.
UH, WE STILL HAVE THE, UH, OLD BATHTUBS WITH THE CLAW FEET INSIDE THE HOUSE.
THEY HAVE ALL THE OLD ENGINES.
UH, I KEPT THE TRANSOM WINDOWS FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, WE WERE VERY FAITHFUL TO THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT WHEN WE TRIED TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOWS WERE SO OUT OF KILTER THAT THEY REALLY COULDN'T BE REPAIRED.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SHOW YOU, I KNOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU SOMETHING.
IMAGINE THIS IS, IMAGINE THIS IS MY HOUSE, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SO MUCH RAIN DOWN.
SIR, YOU GOTTA SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
AS BEST YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS AS MY HOUSE, THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE, THIS IS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THERE HAD BEEN SO MUCH RAIN DAMAGE.
THE GUTTERS HAD NEVER BEEN KEPT UP.
THE HOUSE HAD NEVER BEEN KEPT UP.
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AROUND 1912.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE HOUSE, THE RAIN AND THE PROBLEMS TWISTED THE HOUSE LIKE THIS.
SO THE, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE, EVERY WALL IN THE RIGHT HAND, RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE LEANS FORWARD.
THE WINDOWS WERE PART OF THAT PROBLEM.
ALSO, WE TRIED TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS BACK WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, BUT I THINK THE CARPENTER FINALLY GAVE UP AND SAID, ALL WE CAN DO IS TRY AND SQUARE THEM.
THE SASHES ARE STILL THERE, BUT THE WEIGHTS WERE TAKEN OUT.
THE WINDOWS ARE, THE WINDOWS ARE VERY WOBBLY.
THEY'RE UNEVEN, THEY LOOK REALLY GOOD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HIRED JIM SMITH, THE COLORIST, TO HELP US PICK COLORS FOR THE INSIDE.
THOSE WINDOWS ARE PAINTED WITH A REALLY GOOD QUALITY ENAMEL.
SO THEY LOOK NICE, BUT THEY SIT, THEY SIT IN THE FRAME THAT DOES NOT FIT THE WINDOWS.
THE TOP IS LOOSE, THE BOTTOM IS LOOSE.
UH, OVER THE YEARS, I'VE STUCK PAPER IN THERE.
I'VE STUCK T-SHIRTS IN THERE, I'VE STUCK FOAM IN THERE, ALL KINDS OF MATERIAL TO TRY TO INSULATE 'EM SO THAT THE WIND DOES NOT COME IN.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANNA REPLACE THE WINDOWS.
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UH, THERE, THERE.AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, UH, I LIVE IN A REALLY WEIRD NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BATTLES WITH GARBAGE DUMPSTER TRUCKS.
WE WON THOSE BECAUSE THEY WERE PICKING UP THE TRUCK THE GARBAGE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
AND THERE WAS, MY HOUSE WAS VERY NOISY.
UH, EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT OR SATURDAY NIGHT, I HEAR FROM CENTRAL CATHOLIC QUARTERBACK NUMBER 10, 10 YARDS.
UH, AND THEN AT NIGHT, SOMETIMES I HEAR PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN MY STREET SAYING, I WANT TO KILL YOU.
SO IT'S A KIND OF A WEIRD NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ON TOP OF ALL THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE WHAT CAITLIN HAS HELPED WITH SHOWING THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN 1988, A GROUP OF PEOPLE WALKED DOWN MY STREET AND LAED MY HOUSE AND SAYING, THAT'S HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN AMERICAN FOUR SQUARE HOUSE, BUT WHAT SURPRISES ME IS THE NEIGHBORS ON MY SIDE, ALL THOSE HOMES LOOK JUST LIKE MY HOUSE.
BUT THEY'VE ALL BEEN ALLOWED TO INSTALL NEW WINDOWS AND REMODEL.
THEY'RE ALL DEAD IN BREAKFAST NOW.
I'VE GONE IN EACH ONE OF THEM, EVERYONE HAS, HAS CHANGED THEIR WINDOWS OUT.
ACROSS THE STREET IS ANOTHER HOUSE THAT ALSO WINDOWS WERE CHANGED OUT.
THAT MAY BE ANOTHER THE ISSUE.
I TALKED TO A, I'VE TALKED TO TWO GUYS.
I'VE TALKED TO ONE GUY, UH, AND SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT PERSON WHO SAID, WELL, WE CAN FIX YOUR WINDOWS.
WE CAN TIGHTEN THEM UP, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WHAT YOU WANT.
AND WE MAY HAVE TO PUTTY ALL THE WINDOWS SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO RAISE 'EM AGAIN.
WELL, I COOK IN THE KITCHEN A LOT OF TIMES.
THERE'S ALWAYS A STICK THERE THAT I PUT THERE.
AND I ALWAYS SHUTTER BECAUSE MY CAT LOVES TO JUMP IN THERE, AND I'M AFRAID HE IS GONNA KNOCK IT DOWN AT SOME AT SOME POINT.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A REASON OF VANITY OR, OR BEING CAPRICIOUS THAT I WANT TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY DO NEED TO BE CHANGED.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND, UH, I'M ASKING THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, RECONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WHEN THE LADY WALKED IN AND SAID THAT, SAID, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE IN SPANISH.
IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, UH, AT ONE TIME IN SAN ANTONIO, LANGUAGE WAS GERMAN, SPANISH, AND ENGLISH.
AND THE COMMUNITY THAT I LIVED IN, ALL THE PROPERTY AROUND MY HOUSE WERE, WERE, UH, GERMAN, GERMAN FOLKS.
IN THE RESEARCH I FOUND IN 1909, WHEN EUGENE DAVIS SOLD THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, HE SOLD IT TO A GUY NAMED JAY NICKS, NICKS HOSPITAL.
IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS A PART OF PROPERTY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF FLIP FLOPPING GOING ON.
A LOT OF INVESTORS, A LOT OF MORTGAGE LENDERS.
I LOOK AT ALL THE DEEDS, IT KEPT GOING BACK AND FORTH, BUT FOR SOME REASON, WHOEVER WERE THE OWNERS OF MY PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY, THAT JESUS NEVER TOOK CARE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT A, A CAPRICIOUS OR A REASON FOR VANITY.
I JUST WANNA HAVE NICE WINDOWS SO THAT I CAN DIE IN MY HOUSE.
LIKE MY MOTHER AND FATHER DIED IN THEIR HOMES.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER.
THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE WINDOWS I PICKED, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON WINDOWS.
THESE ARE INSERTS THAT GO INTO THE FRAMES THAT, THAT WILL FIT THE FRAMES.
IT'S NOT A FULL, FULL WINDOW, UGLY WINDOW BECAUSE I WANTED TO KEEP, KEEP ALL THE GLASS AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE.
AND THESE WINDOWS KEEP THE GLASS AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE.
AND THE FRAME AROUND THE SASHES IS A VERY NARROW, IT'S A VERY NARROW FRAME ALSO.
UH, THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE SOUTHWEST EXTERIORS IS HERE.
HE CAN ANSWER YOUR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
BUT AGAIN, UH, I PERSONALLY, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WE PRESERVED AS MUCH OF IT AS POSSIBLE.
I, I JUST CONCERNED THAT IN 1988 WHEN THOSE FOLKS WALKED AROUND MY FRESHLY PAINTED HOUSE, THEY SAID, OH, THIS HOUSE LOOKS GOOD.
BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WALKED AROUND THE CORNER.
SO, AND THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE WINDOWS.
AND I KNOW KAY DIDN'T LOOK IN THE WINDOWS.
AND SHE SAYS THEY LOOK GOOD, BUT THEY LOOK GOOD BECAUSE I PICKED GOOD QUALITY ENAMEL.
I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF EVERYTHING INSIDE.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY MOVE BACK AND FORTH.
THEY CAN'T, CAN'T GO UP AND DOWN.
AND I'M ASKING FOR YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
IT'S NOT A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT'S AN OLD, VERY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD, A NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET, UH, ONE TIME SAID, LOOK OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR STREET.
AND I SAID, WELL, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? YOU SEE THOSE LINES GOING DOWN YOUR STREET.
THERE USED TO BE A TROLLEY FROM BROADWAY TO OVER TO ROMAN PLAZA AT ONE TIME.
SO, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS SO WE CAN BE COMFORTABLE.
AND AGAIN, IT, IT WAS A, IT WAS A RESULT OF POOR MAINTENANCE OVER MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? IF YOU'LL HANG ON JUST A MINUTE, UM, I'LL ASK OUR COLLEAGUES OR MY COLLEAGUES, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? GO AHEAD.
I, I HAVE A, A TWO AT ONE I THINK MIGHT BE FOR STAFF.
DO, IS THIS NOT A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD? CORRECT.
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HOME IS INDIVIDUALLY LANDMARKED.AND, UM, SECOND, I, I SAW THE DEMONSTRATION WITH THE BOX, WHICH WAS LOVELY.
BUT LIKE, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, THE HOUSE TWISTED AND, AND SO THE WINDOWS DON'T FUNCTION THE WAY THEY WOULD, DOES, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE, OR I'M MISSING THE LINK TO HOW THEN WHEN YOU PUT IN NEW WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE KIND OF FUNCTIONALLY IN THE SAME WELL SITUATION.
WHEN WE REMODELED, THE CARPENTERS WERE ABLE TO TAKE OUT THE WINDOWS AND FIX THE FRAMES.
I MEAN, THEY COULDN'T GET 'EM REALLY SNUG.
SO THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE BUYING, UH, AND, AND THE, AND THE REP CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW THOSE, HOW THOSE INSERTS WILL FIT, HOW THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, TO, TO, UH, TO, TO INCORPORATE THE MATERIAL AROUND THE WINDOWS SO THAT THEY ARE STRAIGHT.
BUT RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T OPEN SOME OF THE WINDOWS BECAUSE IF I DO, THEY'LL FALL DOWN.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DANGEROUS.
BUT WE'VE LIVED, I'VE LIVED WITH IT FOR MANY YEARS.
OH, I FORGOT TO TELL YOU WHAT TRIGGERED ALL THIS.
ALL THESE YEARS I'VE PUT UP WITH THE PROBLEM.
THE GUY THAT LIVES NEXT TO ME, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME, WHICH YOU PROBABLY KNOW, IS JIM SLIPS YOU.
THAT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY FOR YEARS.
FOR YEARS, WE'VE HAD WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL TENANTS IN THIS LAST YEAR, UH, THEY BEGAN LEASING THE PROPERTY TO BUSINESSES AND THEY LEASED THE PROPERTY TO A DOG BOARDING PLACE.
AND THE DOGS WERE BARKING ALL DAY LONG ON MY FENCE.
I HAD TO PUT CLOTH, CLOTH, FENCING, ALUMINUM FENCING, BECAUSE I COULDN'T EN I COULDN'T ENJOY MY BACKYARD.
I COULDN'T GO OUTSIDE BECAUSE I HAD ONE DOG THAT WOULD BE SLAPPING AND SLAPPING AND SLAPPING ON THE FENCE ALL THE TIME.
ONE OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS ASKED ME ABOUT THAT TOO.
HE SAID ON THE OTHER SIDE, HE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM.
AND FOR A LONG TIME, FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, I KEPT THINKING, WHAT AM I GONNA DO? WHAT AM I, HOW, HOW CAN I PUT UP WITH THIS NOISE? I HAVE PTSD.
AND, UH, THAT WAS, THAT, THAT WAS WHAT BASICALLY TRIGGERED FOR ALL THESE YEARS, I, I SUFFERED WITH POOR WINDOWS.
BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE TRIGGER.
AND THAT'S WHY I APPROACHED SOUTH WEST.
I DID SOME RESEARCH AND I FOUND MAYBE THESE WINDOWS WILL GIMME A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM COLLEAGUES ON MY LEFT? NONE ON MY RIGHT.
UH, CAITLIN, PROBABLY YOU, UM, IS THIS, WAS THIS CONSIDERED OR DESIGNATED HISTORIC PURELY BASED ON ARCHITECTURAL STYLE? OR WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT GAVE IT OTHER SIGNIFICANCE? SURE.
SO, UM, IN 1988, THERE WAS A SWEEPING ORDINANCE WHERE I THINK CLOSE TO A THOUSAND PROPERTIES WERE DESIGNATED HISTORIC.
UM, SOMETIMES THERE IS NOT CONTEXT FOR US TO RELY ON AS TO WHY, UH, STAFF I DID SOME RESEARCH, UM, TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, MR. TOLAS HOME, IN ADDITION TO THREE ALONG BALTIMORE, IN ADDITION TO TWO THAT HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED.
SO A TOTAL OF SIX HOUSES, UM, WERE DEVELOPED BY JOE NICKS, OF COURSE, BEHIND MAJESTIC, EMILY MORGAN.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT STANDS TO REASON THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANCE TO THE EXACT PROPERTY.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION, IS IT, OR IS THERE SOME KIND OF SAMPLE OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT MATERIAL? WE HAVE ONE BACK HERE.
OR MAYBE JUST SHOW THE COMMISSION.
I'LL WALK IT DOWN THE LINE FOR YOU.
I, I WOULD ADD TO THIS, HE'S A TECHNICAL GUY, BUT I ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR WINDOWS HAD A BIG, A BIG VIEW.
AND THAT'S WHEN I FOUND, DID MY RESEARCH.
THIS PARTICULAR WINDOW BY MARVIN IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A BIG VIEW AND A NARROW FRAME AROUND IT.
SO WHEN IT GOES IN, IT'LL LOOK JUST THE SAME.
AND THAT MATERIAL IS FIBERGLASS? YES, SIR.
AND IS THAT WITHIN GUIDELINES? NO.
AS WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THESE WINDOWS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN BLACK, BLACK AND WHITE IN A LOT OF THESE CASES, I DIDN'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THESE WERE LATER REPLACEMENTS.
UM, SO THE GUIDELINES FOR ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT REQUIRES THAT THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT IS FULLY WOOD, NOT A CLAD PRODUCT.
I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN 1979 AND MAYBE 10 YEARS LATER OR 12 YEARS LATER, THESE RULES AND GUIDELINES WERE PROPOSED ARE MANUFACTURED.
MAY I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK ON THESE? YEAH.
CHRIS MCKAY SOUTHWEST EXTERIORS.
I'M THE SALES MANAGER AT THIS CURRENT TIME.
UH, WHAT I DID WANT TO SHARE ABOUT THIS WINDOW IS IT
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WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED BY INFINITY FROM MARVIN TO MAINTAIN THAT CLASSIC WOOD WINDOW LOOK.UM, AND FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IN ALL OF THE, UM, STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES, THIS WINDOW CAN MEET ALMOST EVERY SINGLE OF THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE THAT'S KIND OF IN QUESTION, WHICH IS JUST THE MATERIAL ITSELF.
SO ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT WOOD, IT DOES SAY NON-WOOD PRODUCTS CAN BE APPROVED IF, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION SEE FIT TO.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD ASK TO CONSIDER IS THAT REALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS A WINDOW THAT PRESERVES THAT CLASSIC WOOD LOOK, BUT DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE AND REQUIREMENTS TO GO INTO KEEPING THAT LONG, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THAT LONG TERM.
THE WINDOW DOES IT FOR ITSELF IN THE NATURE OF ITS MATERIAL, WHICH IS THE FIBERGLASS, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR THAT CONSTANT MAINTENANCE.
SO IT'S A WINDOW SOLUTION THAT THE CLIENT'S LIKELY NEVER TO HAVE TO REVISIT AGAIN AND STILL MAINTAINS THAT CLASSIC WOOD LOOK.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAME OUT, AND I KNOW YOU GOTTA DO YOUR JOB AS SELLING WINDOWS.
UH, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THAT, UH, PROFILE OF THE WINDOW, THE WIDTH OF THE SASH AND THE STYLE, UH, THOSE ARE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS HISTORICALLY THERE.
UH, WHAT IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOME, OR AT LEAST, IS THAT CORRECT? THOSE WINDOWS, UM, APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL TO THE HOME.
I'M NOT THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY OH, YES.
UH, THESE ARE DIFFERENT, BUT WITHIN THRESHOLD, WITHIN SPECS, THE CAP OF THE SPECS.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS VISUALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW, BUT IT IS WITHIN THE SPECS OF THE GUIDELINES, BUT THAT'S THE POINT.
JASON, NOT CHANGING THE, WE'RE NOT THE HISTORIC STYLE OF THE HOME.
JASON, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE.
UH, YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WINDOW.
I HAVE ONE MORE FOR, UH, STAFF.
UM, WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF MATERIAL AND REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT WITH THE MATERIAL IN KIND OR AT ALL? MM-HMM
SO THE, THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES, THE SASHES TOP, THE BOTTOM ARE IN REALLY GREAT SHAPE.
SOME OF THEM ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, HELD UP BY NAILS AND THINGS BECAUSE, UM, THE WEIGHTS ARE EITHER REMOVED THE, THE STRING AND PULLEY SYSTEM ISN'T WORKING.
OR, UM, AS MR. TOLEY SAYS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SOME SQUARING ISSUES.
UM, HOWEVER, THEY ARE IN REPAIRABLE SHAPE AND THE RECOMMENDATION DOES HAVE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM SAYING, YOU KNOW, DURING THE REPAIR PROCESS, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT YOU KNOW WHAT HAS TO BE DONE EXCEEDS, UM, 50% OR MORE OF THE ORIGINAL PRODUCT, THEN WE CAN REEVALUATE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT INSERTS, UH, NOT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, BUT THIS LOOKS LIKE A REPLACEMENT.
WELL, IT'S BECAUSE, SO WHAT IS THE, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S THAT TALKING ABOUT FRAME, CHRIS, THE WINDOW IS IN YOUR FRAME.
IT'S GONNA GO IN, IN MY FRAME.
THE, THE EXTERIOR OF MY WINDOW IS GONNA STAY THE SAME.
UH, THE, THE, THE, THE TRIM WILL NOT COME DOWN.
LITTLE TRIM BOARDS WILL GO BACK IN.
I THINK THEY'RE THINKING THAT WE'RE BUYING A WINDOW.
I THINK INSERTS ARE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.
UH, SO INSERTS WOULD GO INSIDE THE HOME.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, I, I THINK, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT'S IMPROVED? I THINK JUST KIND OF, UM, TALKING ABOUT SEMANTICS HERE.
UM, THE WINDOW PRODUCT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED DOESN'T HAVE A NAIL FIN, MEANING THAT IT'S LIKELY THE APPROPRIATE RECESS FROM THE FINISHED MATERIAL COULD BE ACHIEVED.
UM, WINDOW INSERTS ARE, YES, A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE IT'S, WE'RE, IT'S SEMANTICS, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TAKING DOWN ANY WOOD.
WE'RE NOT TAKING THE FRAME INSIDE, OR WE'RE NOT TAKING THE FRAME ON THE OUTSIDE.
ONCE THE OLD SASHES ARE TAKEN OUT, IT'LL GO IN.
BUT IF YOU PROPERLY RESTORED THE WINDOWS TO THEIR ORIGINAL STATE, THERE'S MANY, UH, CRAFT PERSONS THAT, UH, DO RESTORE WINDOWS FOR A LIVING AND SPECIALIZE IN HISTORIC WINDOWS.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN PUT YOUR INSERTS ON THE INSIDE THAT WILL HELP WITH YOUR NOISE BARRIER.
AND THEN SECOND THING I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS, YOU MENTIONED THE HOUSE WAS TWISTING.
UM, SO, BUT YOU WANNA CHANGE THE WINDOWS, AND I THINK SHE ALLUDED TO IT AT OVER THERE, YOU'RE, THE HOUSE IS TWISTING, BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING TO THE ROOT PROBLEM.
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WE'VE DONE THE FOUNDATION THREE TIMES.THIS, THIS, WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 19 78, 79, THAT'S WHEN IT WAS TWISTED.
WHEN WE STARTED DOING THE REMODELING, OF COURSE, WE DID THE FOUNDATION FIRST TO GET THINGS LEVEL.
THEN WE ADDED THE ROOF, THEN WE STARTED DOING THE INSIDES.
WHEN, WHEN WE TRIED TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS, THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND EVEN THE WINDOWS WERE TWISTED.
THE WALLS, THE BACK, THE BACK OF MY HOUSE COMES IN, THE BATHROOM COMES IN, THE FRONT ROOM, COMES IN THE WINDOWS, ALL THE WINDOWS.
WHAT THE CARPENTERS DID, BECAUSE THEY WERE TWISTED, THEY TOOK OUT THE FRAMES.
WE REPLACED THE FRAMES, SQUARED 'EM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, PUT THE, PUT THE SASHES BACK IN.
TWISTS NOT TWISTING RIGHT NOW, YES, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FOUNDATION PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT'S CLAY SOIL ALL AROUND.
IT'S CLAY ALL AROUND, BUT THE HOUSE IS NOT TWISTING.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WITH THE RAIN, I'VE GOT ONE DOOR THAT'S STICKING, BUT ONCE IT DRIES UP, IT WON'T, IT WON'T STICK AGAIN.
SO THE TWISTINGS GONNA CONTINUE.
AND THAT'S NOT, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS.
IT'S NOT THE, THE ROOT PROBLEM.
WELL, WHAT ONE OF CHRIS, CHRIS, ONE OF THE, WHEN I, WHEN I TALKED TO THE SALESMAN ABOUT IT, THE WINDOWS, IF THE HOUSE DOES MOVE, THEY CAN COME BACK AND READJUST IT.
I THINK THE KEY TO ME IS WHERE STAFF SAID, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE REPLACEMENT, THEY'RE WILLING TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A VERY REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE.
OH, UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS, ONLINE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I DO HAVE YOU, WAIT A MINUTE.
MADAM CHAIR, I'M SWITCHING TO MY PHONE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME ON THE PHONE NOW? A LOT BETTER, YES.
UM, SO I, I GUESS MY CONCERN AT THIS POINT IS NOT SO MUCH AS THE WINDOWS ITSELF, AS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE WINDOWS.
AND I UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE YOU MADE A STATEMENT, AND I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SO FOCUSED ON THAT, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN ONLY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE UNDERLYING PURPOSE OF IT.
SO MY CONCERN FOR THE WINDOWS AND THE REPLACEMENT THIS FALLS UNDER ANOTHER AREA THAT I HADN'T REALLY REVIEWED IS, UM, I, AND I'M A BIG STICKLER FOR GUIDELINES AND MATERIAL AND COMPLIANCE.
HOWEVER, THERE, THERE WAS A STATEMENT ABOUT HIS COMFORT, RIGHT? AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENTERTAIN BECAUSE IF THE FOUNDATION WAS TAKEN CARE OF THE DOORS AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT HE WANTED TO GO THROUGH, IS THE MATERIAL, RIGHT? ARE THERE OTHER THINGS? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S PROVISIONS BEING MADE TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE MATERIAL ACCOMMODATION.
AND I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN STAYING WITH NATURAL AIR, NATURAL ITEMS ITEM.
BUT I THINK, UM, FOR ME, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS STATED THAT I, I NOW HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT.
UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT A, AT A, AT A LATER DATE, OR HOW DO WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, GET TO THE DISCUSSION TO WHERE IT'S NOT SO DIRECTED AT SO MUCH AS THE MATERIAL.
AGAIN, I'M AGREEING WITH YOU VICE CHAIR ABOUT, AND ONE OF OUR OTHER COLLEAGUES ABOUT THE MATERIALS BEING OFFERED.
HOWEVER, UM, HIS SITU, HIS SITUATION IS A CONCERN FOR ME.
IT'S A QUAL IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE ALSO.
UH, IT'S, IT'S A ROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE USED TO, TWO MURDERS WERE HAVE OCCURRED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE BACK.
ONE OF THE HOMELESS BACK TWO MURDERS WERE, WERE TOOK PLACE THERE IN THE LATE NINE, IN THE LATE NINE EARLY 1980S.
IT'S HOMELESS, WALKING UP AND DOWN.
I HAD BURGLAR BARS ON MY WINDOWS, BUT I TOOK 'EM DOWN LAST YEAR.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ALSO WANNA HAVE BETTER QUALITY WINDOWS.
UH, I HAVE, I, MAYBE I, MAYBE SHE, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BUT IT'S IN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
YOU ALL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IN MINE, WE DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
WHEN WE FIRST MOVED THERE, WE USED
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TO HAVE THE PARK RANGERS GO BY THE MADISON SQUARE PARK EVERY DAY.THEY DON'T GO BY THERE ANYMORE.
WE USED TO HAVE THE BIKE PATROL GO BY THERE EVERY DAY.
THEY DON'T GO BY THERE ANYMORE.
UH, I, WHEN I, WHEN I CALL THE PARK POLICE FOR PROBLEMS, THEY TALK TO SOME HOMELESS, THEY'LL SAY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF ALWAYS KIND OF A SITUATION WHERE I LIKE MY WELLBEING ALL MY, MY, MY MENTAL HEALTH AND MY WELLBEING TO BE SUPPORTED BY HAVING A PLACE WHERE I CAN LIVE COMFORTABLY.
AND I SEE YOUR, UH, POINT ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE AND, UM, YOU NEED TO ASK FOR PATROL BIKES BY YOUR, UH, OH, I, I'VE GOT, I'VE, I'VE GOT 'EM ON MY, I'VE GOT 'EM ON FAST.
THE SAFE, THE SAFE PATROL PEOPLE.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS THAT.
I UNDERST WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS YOUR WINDOW.
SO, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MY COLLEAGUES? IF NOT, I ASK FOR A MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO START BY SAYING THAT I CAN, UH, SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR SITUATION.
UM, I THINK IT PROBABLY IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE TO, UH, ADHERE TO, UM, HISTORIC GUIDELINES WITHOUT BEING IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I THINK YOUR HOUSE IS A BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE OF THAT PARTICULAR STYLE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEAUTY OF THE HOUSE THAT MAYBE THEY SAW WHEN THEY WALKED BY AND DESIGNATED YOUR HOUSE AS POTENTIALLY HISTORIC OR HISTORIC AS IT WAS THE BONES OF IT.
UM, AND TO SOME DEGREE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO CONSIDER ALONG WITH YOUR REQUEST, IS THAT THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE HOUSE THAT MAKE IT UNIQUE AND THEREFORE HISTORIC, UH, SHOULD BE, UH, NOT ONLY ADHERED TO OR MAINTAINED, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESERVED.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UH, NOISE, THAT THERE ARE SOLUTIONS TO THAT.
WHAT MY COLLEAGUE HAS BEEN, UH, MENTIONING WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, INSERTS, WAS THAT THERE ARE NOISE INSERTS THAT YOU CAN PUT IN BEHIND THE FRONT, BEHIND THE WINDOW TO HELP CUT DOWN ON STREET NOISE AND MAYBE ALSO PROVIDE AN EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTION.
SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER REMEDIES THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT, BUT GIVEN THE STATE OF THESE WINDOWS AND, UM, THE WILLINGNESS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE, GARCIA? AYE.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE NEXT STEPS.
NEXT CASE ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 1 6 4 19 14 EAST HOUSTON STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A 10 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND 12 FOOT WIDE APPROACH WITH CURB CUTS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO INSTALL A NEW 10 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY IN 12 FOOT WIDE APPROACH WITH CURB CUTS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LOT.
UH, RICHARD GONZALEZ, THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE ONLINE.
UM, CAN YOU UNMUTE RICHARD AND LET US KNOW? YES, I'M HERE.
UM, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN, UM, YOU CAN PRESENT YOUR CASE.
GOOD MORNING, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M THE OWNER OF 1914 EAST HOUSTON STREET.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF'S CONCERN REGARDING THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
AFTER THE RECEIVING THE RECOMMENDATION, I SPENT SEVERAL DAYS WORKING WITH THE CITY ZONING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE REAR ALLEY COULD BE USED.
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I MET WITH, UH, MR. LUIS MENDOZA, THE ENGINEER ASSOCIATE FOR STREETS AND TRAFFIC.I ALSO MET WITH JESSE LOPEZ, THE SENIOR ENGINEER TECHNICIAN FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT.
AFTER REVIEWING THE PROPERTY IN THE ALLEY, THEY CONFIRMED THAT THE ALLEY CANNOT BE CONSIDERED FOR LEGAL OFF STREET PARKING DUE TO ITS CONFIGURATION AND CONDITION, BECAUSE THE ALLEY IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION.
THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY IS THE ONLY PRACTICAL WAY TO PROVIDE SAFE LEGAL OFF STREET PARKING FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE DRIVEWAY IS ONLY 10 FEET WIDE, CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND IT DOES NOT ALTER THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT APPROXIMATELY 90% OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE CITY BLOCK ALREADY HAVE DRIVEWAYS.
SO APPROVING THE REQUEST WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING CHARACTER AND FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BLOCK.
FOR THOSE REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY, RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? UH, NO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE A LETTER FROM THE DIG WOODY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT? I THINK I SEE YOU DOWN THERE.
NO, UH, YEAH, I GUESS I JUST HAVE ONE.
AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR STAFF, BUT IS THAT, HOW MANY HOUSES ARE ON THIS STREET? DO THEY HAVE DRIVEWAYS? I MEAN, UH, LET'S HAVE A LOOK.
UM, OF COURSE THESE HOMES SEEM TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS.
THE CONTEXT IS A BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT THERE IS ROOM ON THESE LOTS FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO, UM, GO BY THE SIDE OF THE HOME TO THE REAR YARDS.
UH, THAT CONDITION DOES NOT EXIST AT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
AND JUST TO THE APPLICANT, UM, I'M, I'M GUESSING THIS IS NOT AN AVAILABLE OPTION, BUT THE PARKING LOT THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO THE HOME, WHAT IS THAT? AND, AND CAN IT NOT BE USED EITHER OR IS THERE NO.
YEAH, SO WE'VE BEEN U WE WERE, WE WERE USING THAT AS OUR PARKING.
IT'S ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE CHURCH BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY JUST MADE A CONTRACT, UM, WITH A RESTAURANT THAT'S MOVING CATTY CORNER, UH, FROM VOS, UH, RESTAURANT.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE TAKING OVER THIS, THIS PARKING LOT AND IT'S GONNA BE MONITORED NOW, UH, 24 HOURS THERE'S GONNA BE TOWING.
SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF GOT AWAY WITH THE, UM, OFF STREET PARKING FOR A WHILE.
UH, WE HAD PERMISSION FROM THE CHURCH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY GAVE US NOTIFICATION, UM, THAT WE'RE NO LONGER GONNA BE ABLE TO PARK THERE.
SO THERE'S, SINCE IT'S ON HOUSTON STREET, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO OFF STREET PARKING.
YOU CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF HOUSTON STREET.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S NO PARKING.
SO THIS, THIS HOUSE WOULD HAVE NO AVAILABLE PARKING ON ANY SIDE OF IT WITHOUT A DRIVEWAY.
ANYTHING FURTHER? IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE THAT IN.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE, FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? YES.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS A VIEW OF THE REAR YARD AND ALLEY.
AND THE REPORT THAT THE APPLICANT IS SUBMITTING CAME FROM WHAT DEPARTMENT? UM, RICHARD, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHO YOU SPOKE WITH AGAIN, PLEASE? YEAH, IT'S BOTH THE STREETS, UM, IN TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT AND ALSO, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEY CONFIRM, BUT THEN I HAD TO SUBMIT PHOTOS, VIDEOS, UM, THEY CONFIRMED THAT THAT ALLEY'S NOT COMPLETE.
THERE'S NO, UM, EXIT THE OTHER WAY.
SO FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES OR ANYTHING TO GO BY.
UM, I MEAN, WE TRIED EVERY ANGLE.
UM, I, I, I, I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF, IF THEY WOULD ALLOW ME TO DO A REAR ENTRY.
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QUESTION WAS WHERE DID YOU GET THE REPORT, WHICH IS WHAT I NEEDED.UH, THE OTHER THING IS IF THIS IS THE ACCESS, BUT YOU CAN'T GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO THE FRONT.
NOW IS THIS, IS THIS A RESIDENTIAL WHERE IT'S YOUR PERSONAL HOME OR IS IT A BUSINESS? NO, IT'S, IT, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU LIVE HERE? NO, IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY.
OKAY, SO IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T GET ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO THIS PROPERTY, BUT YET YOU HAVE THE BIG TRAFFIC AREA IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS ONE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU JUST STATED, CORRECT? YES OR NO SIMPLE SENSE, YES OR NO.
SO TO THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR STATEMENTS? YEAH.
THE OTHER THING WAS IS THAT THIS CAME FROM THE STATE, I MEAN, FROM THE CITY.
AND YOU'RE STATING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS A RENTAL PROPERTY.
BUT MY CONCERN IS JUST AS Y'ALL WERE USING THE CHURCH WHERE THE CHURCH ACTUALLY PUT BLACK POP.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE OTHER AREA IN THE BACK WHERE THEY'RE USING THAT ALSO AS A PARKING FROM THE IMAGE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING AND THE REPORT THAT I'M ACTUALLY VIEWING BEING A BUSINESS OWNER AS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY INVESTMENT IS REQUIRED.
SO THEREFORE, I GUESS YOU CAN WORK WITH THE CITY.
I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM WHAT I CAN UNDERSTAND AND FROM SUSTAINABILITY.
AND I'M SURE YOU WORK WITH SUSTAINABILITY TOO, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
THAT LOT, THAT LOT IS ZONE COMMERCIAL.
THE THE IT IS ZONE COMMERCIAL? NO, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE EMPTY LOT IS COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO DO A PA UH, A PARKING LOT THERE.
OH, BUT YOURS IS RESIDENTIAL? YES.
ANYTHING ELSE? MADAM CHAIR, UP UNTIL NOW, YOU WERE PARKING IN THIS PARKING LOT, BUT YOU WERE GIVEN NOTICE, BUT FROM THE LOOK OF IT, YOU OPENED THE BACK OF THE FENCE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO.
I I, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ANY SOLUTION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY ROPED OFF THE, THE PARKING LOT.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE STARTING TO BE MONITORED NOW.
SO IF ANYBODY PARKS OVERNIGHT IN THERE, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE TOWING EVERY CARD.
SO CAN I SEE THE PROPERTY LINE OF THIS PROPERTY REAL QUICK? THERE SHOULD BE A SURVEY.
SO ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THIS PROPERTY, YOU'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING A FENCE LINE ON THE, WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS.
NOT THAT I'M PREDICTING, BUT SAYING THAT THEY'RE, NOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PARKING.
IS THAT GONNA BE THE NEXT REQUEST FOR YOU? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH UP THAT.
LET'S STICK TO THE, UH, SEE HOW YOU HAVE A FENCE TO THE, TO, TO ONE SIDE AND A PARKING LOT TO THE OTHER MADAM CHAIR.
I'VE GOTTA ASK FOR A POINT OF ORDER HERE.
UH, WE GOTTA STICK TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THE DRIVEWAY, UH, DEBATE OR THAT QUESTION? I JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP TO THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, YOU, I THINK YOU STARTED TRYING TO SAY THIS, BUT BASICALLY YOU'VE INVESTIGATED WITH THE CITY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TO, TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT ALLEY TO THEN PUT A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT'S OPEN.
UM, STAFF, CAN I SEE THAT PHOTO YOU HAVE OF THE PARKING LOT NEXT DOOR? IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, SEEM TO BE IN OUR PACKET.
IS THAT THE ONLY VIEW? CAN YOU, UH, ENLARGE IT SO I CAN MAYBE SEE THE STREET, THE FRONT.
AT THE FRONT? I'M LOOKING FOR THE, UH, NO PARKING SIGN.
UM, AND THAT NO PARKING SIGN? DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT IT SAYS? I MEAN, ARE THERE NO PARKING IN THIS BLOCK OR NO PARKING FROM HERE? OR DOES ANYBODY KNOW? IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE, THERE WE GO.
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I WOULD THINK THAT THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ANOTHER AVENUE, UH, TO PURSUE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO PARK IN FRONT.I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE SITUATION, THAT COULDN'T BE AN OPTION POTENTIALLY.
ARE YOU, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU SAYING TO PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET? NO, I'M SAYING THAT MAYBE HE COULD WORK WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENT TO HAVE, UH, THIS SIGN NOT APPLY TO HIS PROPERTY, GIVEN THE HARDSHIP POSSIBLY MOVED DOWN.
I THINK, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS HOME OR HIS RENTER'S HOME.
I, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S POSSIBLE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SHOULDER OR ANYTHING.
I MEAN, THAT LANE'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CURB.
I THINK IF SOMEONE PARKED THERE, THERE'S CERTAINLY REAL DANGEROUSLY PUT.
I THINK IT MORE LIKELY WE COULD GET A VARIANCE FROM THE CITY TO USE THE, UH, ALLEY.
BUT, UH, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A DRIVEWAY.
AND FROM WHAT I SEE, UH, STAFF WAS THERE ROOM FOR A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK, COMING FROM THE BACK ALLEY? 'CAUSE IT APPEARS, I THINK HE JUST SAID THAT THAT'S WHAT HE WENT THROUGH THE CITY WITH THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS CLARIFYING.
HE TRIED TO DO THAT AND THE CITY SAID THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO THROUGH AND THROUGH ACCESS.
SO AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE CAN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THE, TO THE DRIVEWAY THROUGH THE ALLEY THAT HE DID TRY AND WORK WITH ZONING FOR THAT.
BUT LET ME ASK, LET ME HEAR IT FROM STAFF.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE CONVERSATIONS IN WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS HAD WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
UM, I THINK THE INITIAL QUESTION WAS, DOES IT SEEM AS THOUGH THE SITE COULD ACCOMMODATE REAR PARKING? AND YES, I BELIEVE THAT IT COULD.
BUT BEYOND THE CONDITION OF THE ALLEY, I DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE.
AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC, BUT, UH, THE APPLICANT OR HIS RENTERS OR WHOEVER SHOULD NOT BE PARKING IN THE ALLEY.
UM, THAT IS AGAINST CITY ORDINANCE.
UM, BUT THERE IS ROOM FOR A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK.
AND IF AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE WERE TO COME, I WOULD THINK THEY'D STOP IN THE FRONT STREET ALONG HOUSTON, UH, TO HELP ANYONE OR, UM, YEAH, OR EVEN BACK UP INTO THE HOUSE IF THERE WERE A DRIVEWAY AND BACK.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN, A MOTION TO, UH, GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AS STATED.
I SECOND AND IN SUPPORT IN DISCUSSION IF THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ENTERING NOW.
AND I THINK IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE JUST DONE AT THE LAST MEETING, TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO INSTALL A 16 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE SLAB IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME, UH, BECAUSE THE PARKING CONDITIONS WEREN'T, WEREN'T ALLOWING ANYONE TO PARK IN FRONT OF THE HOME.
I THINK THIS EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
I MEAN, THIS IS A GUIDELINE SPECIFIC DRIVEWAY.
HE'S INVESTIGATED ALL OTHER ALLEYWAYS OF TRYING TO PUT IN SOME PARKING, BUT HE'S COMPLETELY RESTRAINED FROM PARKING PER WHAT HE'S SAYING.
GRANTED, WE CAN'T VERIFY HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY AND ZONING, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT HE'S COME IN TELLING US, THEN I THINK IT'S A, A PERFECTLY RES, UH, REASONABLE REQUEST.
JUST RESPONDING TO YOUR ACCOUNT OR, I THINK THAT WAS A MOTION OR, YEAH, 'CAUSE I MADE A MOTION.
IT WAS SECONDED AND THEN DIS THAT WAS MY SUPPORTING DISCUSSION.
UM, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT BEING APPLES TO APPLES.
UH, A CASE THAT WAS HERE IN, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE, HIS NATHAN OVER HERE.
THAT CASE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE ONE FROM LAST MONTH.
I DON'T RECALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE STREET HERE.
BUT THERE WAS A SIMILAR DISCUSSION IN MAY WHEN I WAS LAST HERE, UH, IN THE NATHAN HISTORIC DISTRICT RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE.
AND THEY WANTED A DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT.
IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, IT WAS LAST MONTH WHEN WE WERE HERE.
IT WAS LIKE MOVED TO THE FOURTH FRIDAY.
THERE WAS AN APPLICANT WHO CAME IN AND ASKED TO PUT IN A 16 FOOT TO, TO INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THEIR DRIVEWAY TO DOUBLE SPACE BECAUSE HE HAD PURCHASED A HOME KNOWING THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE SEVERAL USERS
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OF THAT HOME AND WANTED TO BE PARKED SIDE BY SIDE AND INCREASE THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
AND I THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, IS THE, IS THE EXACT SAME CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE FOR HIM TO PARK.
THIS IS A HOME WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PARKING, NO STREET PARKING, NO ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE NEXT TO IT.
NO ACCESS TO BUILD AN ALLEY IN THE DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS APPLICANT WOULD'VE COME HERE ASKING AND GOING THROUGH ALL THIS TROUBLE IF HE COULD ADMINISTRATIVELY PUT IN A PARKING LOT FROM THE BACK ALLEYWAY, CONSIDERING THE FENCES OPEN FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I, I THINK THAT WAS A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE.
BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT? I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID THAT, UH, I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT, I THINK HE'S BASICALLY OUTTA OPTIONS.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? I HAVE A COMMENT.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, PLEASE.
IF YOU'LL TAKE, TAKE A LOOK TO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN, I CAN SEE WHERE A ADDED DRIVE CAN BE PUT IN THERE TO WHERE A VEHICLE CAN BE PARKED TO THE SIDE.
BUT TO HAVE THAT ENTIRELY CONCRETED, I WOULD DISAGREE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND MAKING ADAPTATION, MAKING AMENDMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT.
BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING COMPLETE CHANGES TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, EVEN FURTHER DOWN WHERE YOU SEE DRIVEWAY, UM, I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AND PUTTING, YOU KNOW, GOING WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND DONATING AND ADDING A DRIVE, BUT CONCRETING THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THE HOME.
I, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
SO JUST IN 'CAUSE OF, AGAIN, CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINING.
AND I, I DO AGREE THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT'S GOING THROUGH EVERY MEASURE, YOU KNOW, TO COMPLY.
BUT IT ALSO FALLS ON US TO COME UP WITH ALSO AMENDMENTS TO COMPLY WITH WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN AS WELL.
AND IF WE'RE LOOKING DOWN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
SO JUST IN RESPONSE, AND I'LL INVITE ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FIX MY MEMORY IF I MISS RECALLING.
BUT LAST MONTH WE APPROVED SOMEONE BASICALLY PAVING THEIR ENTIRE FRONT YARD IN THIS SAME WAY FOR THAT SAME THING.
AND NOT WITH A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, BUT WITH A 16 FOOT DRIVEWAY SO THAT THEY COULD DO SIDE BY SIDE FOR THE EXACT REASON THAT THERE WAS NO ROOM ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE FOR HIM TO PUT IN A DRIVEWAY OR EXTEND IT.
THIS ISN'T GONNA TAKE UP THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, I DON'T BELIEVE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE, WE CAN'T GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT, BUT I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS, BUT HE'S ASKING FOR A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS GONNA COVER THE ENTIRE THING.
IT IS GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA COVER THE WHOLE FRONT YARD.
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? THE TREES WILL HAVE TO COME OUT, WILL THEY NOT? YEP.
UM, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THE CASES WE CONSIDER ARE ALL UNIQUE AND INDIVIDUAL AND, UM, THAT WE COULD GET INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WHY THIS CASE IS SIMILAR TO THAT CASE FROM LAST MONTH OR NOT.
UM, BUT I WOULD JUST RATHER, UM, CONSIDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THIS CASE.
SO I AM TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT I AM DOING IT BASED ON HISTORIC MEETINGS.
WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE COLUMNS ON THE PORCH? AND THE REASON I ASK IF THE DRIVEWAY WERE EQUAL TO THAT? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD LOOK TOO OUT OF KILTER.
YOU'VE GOT ONE FOOT ON THE DESIGN BETWEEN THE FENCE
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AND THE DRIVEWAY.IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST COLUMN IS A FOOT OFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
STAFF, I HAVE NOT CLUE POSSIBLY THE APPLICANT, SIR.
ONLINE WE'VE GOTTA TAKE OUT THOSE TREES NO MATTER WHAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
GARCIA NAY BRI REGARD NAY SPILLER AYE.
PETE NAY, VASQUEZ NAY AND SEPULVEDA NAY.
IS THERE AN ALTERNATE MOTION PLEASE? IF NOT, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
CAN WE PUT, CAN WE, CAN WE GO BACK UP TO THE PAPERWORK FIRST BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
UM, I MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
ANY DISCUSSION? OH, ANY DISCUSSION? I I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT, UH, TOWARDS THE DISCUSSION.
THERE IS A LETTER, UH, FROM THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC ASSOCIATION.
I JUST WANTED TO DRAW PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO THAT.
IT'S IN YOUR FOLDERS AND THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
YEAH, I HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION.
I THINK THIS IS A MISTAKE AND I THINK WE'RE PREVENTING USE OF THIS PROPERTY.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON NEXT STEPS.
JUST A REMINDER FOR THE COMMISSION THAT ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, 1 64, HER MIND HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO THE NEXT HEARING.
UH, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX.
UH, AND JUST TO NOTE, WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX.
WE'LL HEAR THEM AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, CTAP CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 1 57 200 DONALDSON AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL THE FIBER CEMENT LAP SIDING OVER THE EXISTING ASBESTOS TILE AND ONE 17 WOOD SIDING ON SITE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR EXISTING WOOD SIDING.
THE INSTALLATION OF FIBER CEMENT SIDING FEATURING A FOUR INCH REVEAL AND A SMOOTH FINISH IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL ON THE PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE WITH ASBESTOS SIDING.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, AND AS EDWARD MENTIONED, WE HAVE ONE, UM, PUBLIC SPEAKER.
CAN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT? UH, WELL, THE PRESENTATION WILL BE FIRST.
AND THEN, UM, WE CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTERWARDS.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR REQUEST.
I'M LEWIS NORIEGA, UM, COMPANY, GEMINI SERVICES GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BE HERE.
UH, I BROUGHT TREY WHO'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE DOING THE SIDING, SO I THOUGHT IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DETAILS FOR HIM.
UH, I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MISUNDERSTANDING INITIALLY.
SO THIS BUILDING HAS ASBESTOS WRAPPED AROUND IT, BUT IT ALSO HAS EXISTING WOOD SIDING.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE, WITH THE, WITH REGARDS TO ASBESTOS.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF LIABILITY WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BROKEN PIECES, REMOVING THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY BROKEN.
THERE'S ABOUT 13, CORRECT, 13 PIECES AND PUTTING A CEMENT FIBER BACK ON WITHOUT USING ASBESTOS SO THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, REPLACING ASBESTOS WITH ASBESTOS.
BUT IN LEAVING THE CURRENT ASBESTOS INTACT WHILE WORKING ON THE REST OF THE SIDING, I THINK WHAT THE MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE, IN THE REQUEST WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT, UH, NEW WOOD SIDING OVER ASBESTOS.
WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY PUT THAT OVER THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING
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HAS LEAD ON IT, SO THAT WAY NOT TO SCRAPE THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT, LEAVE THE ASBESTOS INTACT, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE OFF ANY MORE THAN WHAT'S ALREADY DAMAGED AS TO PRESERVE IT.AND OBVIOUSLY NOT CAUSE ANY HAZARDOUS MATERIAL TO BE IN THE AIR.
'CAUSE I THINK IT KINDA GOT LOST IN TRANSLATION THERE.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE.
I THINK IT'S STILL A LITTLE LOST IN TRANSLATION.
WELL, SO YOU ARE, GO AHEAD, BRIAN.
UH, UH, MR. VICE CHAIR, UM, JUST TO JUMP IN REALLY QUICKLY, IF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST REALLY IS TO, UH, REPLACE DAMAGE ASBESTOS TILE WITH, UM, SO JAMES HARDY HAS A TILE THAT'S A FIBER CEMENT TILE THAT MIMICS ASBESTOS TILE.
THE INSTALLATION OF THAT, UH, WOULD BE CONSIDERED REPAIRING KIND AND IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
UM, SO IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL, I'LL LET THE COMMISSION CONTINUE ON, BUT, UM, JUST TO NOTE THAT, THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
AND LET'S SEE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
PENDING STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PLANT APPLICANT REPAIR EXISTING WOOD SIDING.
SO ARE YOU STILL PLANNING TO REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING ON THE SECOND FLOOR? YES, SIR.
WITH WOOD REPLACE OR REHAB THAT WELL, WE'RE GONNA, WHAT'S THERE OVER, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE REPLACING THE WHOLE THING.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE, WE HAVE TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC SPEAKER, UH, PORTION, BUT WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS AFTER THEM THAT, YEP.
UH, SO, UM, BIANCA MALDONADO IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UH, SHE WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.
TOM, UH, SIMMONS HAS YIELDED TIME.
BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE DID REVIEW THIS AND, UH, THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THE CLARIFICATION BECAUSE WE WERE VERY CONCERNED TOO IF THERE WERE PENETRATIONS THAT WERE GONNA BE MADE.
SO IT COMPLETELY CHANGES OUR COMMENTS 'CAUSE OUR COMMENTS WERE, UM, SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IT APPEARS BASED ON THE CLARIFICATION PROVIDED TODAY THAT EVERYTHING THEY WANNA DO TO THE PROPERTY CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ANY DISTURBANCE OF PENETRATING THROUGH THE EXISTING AS BEST OF SIDING.
AND THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
SO, UM, THANK THE APPLICANT AND WISH YOU THE BEST.
UH, WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, SIDING THAT'S THERE? DID Y'ALL HAVE COMMENT ON THAT? JUST THAT IT BE IN KIND AND SUPPORTIVE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT THEY WOULD PUT AN IN KIND MATERIAL BACK AS CAN BE DONE THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
SO I THINK AS THE APPLICANT STATED, UM, THIS HAS MORPHED
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
AND SIR, IF YOU'LL COME BACK, YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, REPLACING IN KIND ON THE SECOND FLOOR SITING? YES, SIR.
AND THEN REPLACING ALL THE ASBESTOS OR NON ASBESTOS NOW, UH, SIDING OR WHATEVER THE SHINGLES, UH, WITH SIMILAR YES.
UH, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE ARE LEAVING THE, THE ONES THAT ARE INTACT, NO REASON TO BE TOUCHED.
IT'S MAINLY JUST THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY CURRENTLY BROKEN.
YEAH, YOU CAN PICK THOSE UP AT MCCOY'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
COULD, COULD I, COULD STAFF ASK ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION? UH, SO THE ONE 17 PROFILE SIDING THAT'S AT THE SECOND LEVEL, UM, IS YOUR, IS YOUR PROPOSAL TO REPLACE THAT WHOLESALE OR ARE YOU ONLY GONNA REPLACE WHAT'S ROTTEN AND DAMAGED, UH, AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SIDING THAT, THAT THAT CAN BE REPAIRED? UH, I, SORRY, WE PLAN ON, ON REPLACING ALL OF IT.
UM, I MEAN I TECHNICALLY THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
IF, IF THERE'S SIDING THAT IS BEYOND REPAIR, THEN CERTAINLY THE IN KIND REPLACEMENT OF THAT WOULD WOULD BE FINE.
UM, BUT IF THERE'S, IF THE PROPOSAL WAS JUST REMOVE EVERYTHING AND GO BACK WITH, WITH SOMETHING NEW, UH, THE GUIDELINES WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU MAINTAIN AND REPAIR WHAT CAN BE REPAIRED AND THEN SPOT REPAIR FEATHER IN WHERE YOU NEED TO.
UH, AND SO THAT WE COULD APPROVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
SO WOULD THIS, UH, NECESSARILY, DO WE NEED TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE ADDED CAVEAT THAT, UH, WHAT'S THERE BE REPAIRED OR DO YOU JUST NO, IT, THAT'S NOT AGENDIZED OR PART OF THE REQUEST? UH, AT THIS POINT, WHAT THE A WHAT THE REQUEST ITEM STATES IS NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING.
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APPLICANT CONSIDER COULD JUST SAY, I'M JUST GONNA WITHDRAW THIS REQUEST AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO BE PROCESSED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF.UH, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAFF THOUGH.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN CTA CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 1 7 3 3 82.
QUENTIN DRIVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND PREVIOUSLY REPLACED WINDOWS WITH A FINAL PRODUCT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO REPAIR AND RETAIN EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS ON SITE.
THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH STAFF TO INSTALL WINDOWS CONFORMING TO GUIDELINES FOR WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN REPLACED TO INCLUDE INSTALLATION TO SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S HERE IN PERSON, THERE IS ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER.
UM, DANIELLE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSION.
HI, I'M DANIELLE HST WITH DAVIDSON PROPERTIES WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE HOMEOWNER CASE SEMORE.
SO WE'RE PREPARED TO OBLIGE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOWS 16 THROUGH 19.
UH, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED.
UM, WE DO WANNA REQUEST GUIDANCE ON WINDOWS SEVEN 19 THROUGH 1420 AND 22 AND 23, UM, ON WHAT ALTERNATIVES WE HAVE, UH, THAT WE CAN PRESENT TO THE HOMEOWNER.
UH, THE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED RECENTLY.
UM, WE ARE WILLING TO HAVE THEM COVERED WITH HISTORIC MATCHING WINDOW SCREENS, UH, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE PREVIOUSLY REPLACED WINDOWS.
SO MAKING IT LOOK LIKE HISTORICAL AS WAS PRESENTED BY, UH, MR. MORALES.
UM, AND WE WOULD ALSO AT THE SAME TIME MAKE HISTORIC MATCHING WINDOW SHUTTER STYLES AS WELL.
YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE VERY DETERIORATED.
SO IN SHORT, YOU'RE ASKING TO KEEP THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE STILL IN PLACE.
AND DO WHAT WITH THE ONES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY CHANGED OUT, COVERING THEM WITH SCREENS? THE SCREENS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA FLY.
AND LET'S HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENT.
WAS THAT, SORRY, WAS THAT THE CONCLUSION OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO PRESENT? YES.
BASICALLY, UH, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE IN PLACE, THEY, SOME OF THEM CAN BE SALVAGED.
WE ARE WILLING TO SALVAGE THE ONES THAT CAN BE, BUT IT APPEARED THERE WERE A FEW IN THE BACKYARD THAT ARE LAYING THERE.
ABOUT HOW MANY? UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 10.
AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT RECENTLY? 10.
BUT OF THOSE 10 ONLY SOME OF THEM ARE SALVAGEABLE.
WE'LL TAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMENTS.
BIANCA MALDONADO IS HERE TO SPEAK.
BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS UM, APPLICATION.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THANK THE APPLICANT FOR INVESTING IN THEIR HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
WE NOTE THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE AND A C OF A WAS NOT OBTAINED FOR THE WORK PERFORMED, NOR WAS A PERMIT RECEIVED FOR THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT FROM DSD WOOD WINDOWS ON AN NATHANIEL STRAUS NAFA HOME ARE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO ARE THERE WOOD SCREENS.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT RESPECTFULLY ALSO REQUEST THE INCLUSION THAT THE WOOD SCREENS BE
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RESTORED ON THE WINDOWS TWO.UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION TODAY, THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE BACKYARD AND THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE BEYOND REPAIR, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRODUCED THAT SAYS THAT THEY ARE BEYOND REPAIR OTHER THAN THEY HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE, UM, THE OPENINGS THAT IT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED.
UH, THIS IS A CORNER HOUSE, SO, UM, IT IS A HIGH VISIBILITY CORNER.
UM, NOT ONLY DO YOU SEE THE FRONT FACADE, BUT YOU ALSO SEE WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE WESTERN ELEVATION IS HIGHLY VISIBLE.
AND I BELIEVE IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY TOO.
UH, IT SPEAKS TO MR. UH, NAAC.
IF YOU DID NOT KNOW, HE WAS VERY COMMITTED TO BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND IN THE WAY HE DID THAT IS THROUGH THE DIFFERENTIATION OF MATERIALS WHERE HE WOULD PUT A SIDING AND HE WOULD PUT A MASONRY ELEMENT, BUT ONE OF HIS UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OR THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS THAT HE PUT INTO A PROPERTY.
AND I WOULD KNOW, 'CAUSE I OWN AN AAC HOME THAT HAS 28 WINDOWS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGH NUMBER OF WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THIS PROPERTY, IT IS A VERY UNIQUE FEATURE OF MANY OF HIS HOMES.
HE PROBABLY HAS UPWARDS OF 40 HOMES.
HE HIMSELF LIVED AT 5 0 5 CLUB DRIVE UP UNTIL HIS EARLY DEATH.
AND SO I THINK IN PAYING RESPECTFUL HOMAGE TO THOSE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES LIKE THE WINDOWS AND THE WOOD SCREENS TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THOSE, I'M ASKING FOR CONSISTENCY FROM C TTAB.
JUST AS YOU HAVE UPHOLD THE SAME REQUIREMENT, THE SAME STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR SEVERAL OTHER VIOLATION CASES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE ASK THAT YOU, UM, SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO INCLUDE WOOD SCREENS.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
JUST TO MAKE SURE ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR YOUR, UH, REQUEST, IT IS TO REPAIR KEEP, OF COURSE, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN PLACE REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE LAYING IN THE BACKYARD AND THEN, UH, RESTORED THE WOOD SCREENS THAT I THINK YOU HAD IN THAT PHOTO.
UH, YES, THERE'S PHOTO IN APPLICATION THAT HAS THE WINDOWS IN THE BACKYARD AND ALSO THE SCREENS.
UM, THEY'RE VERY DETAILED SCREENS TOO, BECAUSE THEY'RE A DIVIDED LIGHT.
AND THEN, UH, AND THESE WENT OVER WINDOWS.
NAFA WAS ONE OF THE PREMIER ARCHITECTS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE ACTUALLY BUILT A SERIES OF SEVEN HOMES ON CLUB DRIVE.
HE BUILT HOMES ON THE CORNER OF NORTH, SEVERAL ON NORTH.
THERE'S A FEW ON CAM, THERE'S SOME ON MARY LOUISE, THERE'S SOME IN MONTE VISTA.
THERE ARE SO MANY PROPERTIES THAT HE HAS DONE, HUH, IN HIS SHORT LIFE BEFORE HE DIED SUDDENLY OF A HEART ATTACK, TO BE HONEST.
AND I'M JUST SEEING THE PICTURE OF THE SCREEN.
THEY HAVE A, I THINK, STAFF FOR PULLING UP THAT AD THAT I HAD NOT SEEN THAT PARTICULAR, UM, AD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLD ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE HOMES WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY WERE BUILT.
SO, BUT IT'S A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY WITH THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS THAT DO EXIST.
AND WE REALLY HOPE THAT THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK CAN BE REPAIRED BY SOMEONE WHO IS KNOWLEDGEABLE TO DO THE WINDOW RESTORATION AND REINSTALL THEM AND OR SALVAGE OTHER WINDOWS FROM OTHER LOCATIONS.
UH, MAYBE WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THEY, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING IN THEIR, UM, RECLAIMED WAREHOUSE OR OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT BE AN AVENUE THAT BE PURSUED.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO ALL OF THE WINDOWS ARE ONLY, UH, I THINK ABOUT SEVEN WERE REPLACED BEFORE US.
UM, SO A ABOUT SEVEN WERE NOT BEING ACKNOWLEDGED HERE.
SO THE CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE, IT WILL, IT WILL ALWAYS BE LOPSIDED BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO GO BACK WITH OUR TIN WINDOWS AND RESTORE AND TAKE OUT WHAT WE HAVE REPLACED, THERE WILL ST STILL BE, THE FRONT FACING WINDOWS WE'RE ALREADY REPLACED, UM, OVER SEVEN YEARS AGO AND ARE NOT BEING ACKNOWLEDGED HERE IN THIS CASE.
I, I JUST WANNA BRING THAT TO ATTENTION BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT, THAT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO REPLACE ALL OF THEM AND AND SALVAGE ALL OF THEM.
AND BRIAN, WOULD YOU REC UH, READ THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AGAIN PLEASE? SURE.
AND, UM, JUST TO ECHO THE APPLICANT.
SO THERE WAS A TOTAL OF, I BELIEVE, SEVEN WINDOWS PRIMARILY ON THE FRONT EASTERN PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT HAD BEEN REPLACED, I
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BELIEVE IN 2020 OR 2021.UM, SO THAT IS NOT A PART OF THIS REQUEST TODAY.
IT'S JUST COVERING THE WINDOWS THAT HAD BEEN, UM, AFFECTED AS A PART OF A STOP WORK ORDER, WHICH INCLUDES THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE FRONT FACADE AS WELL AS THE WESTERN, UH, WALL PLANE AS WELL.
SO STAFF, UM, JUST TO REPEAT THE RECOMMENDATION, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO REPAIR AND RETAIN EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS ON SITE.
THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH STAFF TO INSTALL WINDOWS CONFORMING TO GUIDELINES FOR WINDOWS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN REPLACED TO INCLUDE INSTALLATION OF SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS.
SO AS A PART OF THAT RECOMMENDATION, UM, THE, I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAD HIRED A CONTRACTOR AND THE, UH, CONTRACTOR, UM, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, SAID THAT THEY PULLED PERMITS AND THEY DID NOT.
UM, BUT THANKFULLY THEY DID KEEP, UM, THE, UH, REMOVED WINDOWS ON SITE STAFF DID DO A WINDOW ASSESSMENT SITE VISIT AND FOUND THAT, UM, ABOUT HALF OR A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF OF THE REMOVED WINDOWS ARE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.
UM, SO POTENTIALLY A WINDOW CONTRACTOR OR ANOTHER CONTRACTOR CAN, UM, REPAIR HALF OF THE WOOD WINDOWS AND THEN USE MEMBERS FROM THE WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT REPAIRABLE AND UM, ALSO USE A SALVAGE WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT TO UM, REINSTALL.
UM, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.
SO I HAVE, UM, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
WELL ACTUALLY ONE FOR THE STAFF FIRST.
SO IS THIS, IS THIS A VIOLATION CASE? AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? IT IS, UH, THIS CAME TO US AS A CITIZEN REPORT AND SO STAFF MADE A SITE VISIT AND ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER.
UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE IN FINDING C ON MAY 12TH.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, CONTRACTOR, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, BUT, UH, THE CURRENT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, DANIELLE, SHE REACHED OUT TO STAFF AND SUBMITTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION.
AND THAT'S NOTED IN LETTER C, SO THANK YOU.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE HOME, UM, WERE YOU AWARE THAT IT WAS IN, UH, A HISTORIC DISTRICT? THE OWNER WAS NOT, NO.
SO YOU WERE NOT THE OWNER? NO, I, I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY MANAGER.
AND SO TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE AS REPRESENTATION, HAS THE OWNER WORKED WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, EITHER PRIOR TO THE WORK BEING DONE OR SINCE THE STOP WORK ORDER? EITHER ONE.
HAVE THEY WORKED WITH THE DISTRICT? YES.
AM I RIGHT ONLINE? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? GO AHEAD.
UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO TO INCLUDE UM, THE, UH, SCREENS.
YEAH, THAT THE WOOD SCREENS ALSO BE RESTORED.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS? AYE.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON NEXT STEPS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, CTAP CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 1 53 21 23 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PAINT THE UNPAINTED MASONRY EXTERIOR, AND TWO, REPLACE EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS ON SITE WITH A VINYL PRODUCT.
DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS IN KIND AND RETAIN PAINTED MASONRY ON SITE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.
THERE'S ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS REQUEST.
UM, BEFORE WE START, TO STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE AND, UH, CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, UM, FOR WINDOW, UH, FOR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, DOORS, WINDOWS, AND SCREENS.
UM, AND NOTE THAT THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AS WELL AS OHP STAFF SUPPORTS THE REPAIR OF HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS, UH, VERSUS REPLACEMENT.
UM, BUT IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND COME UP TO THE DAAS, SO THEN INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO THE, UH, WALK THE COMMISSION THROUGH YOUR REQUEST.
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WEST MAGNOLIA.UM, SO THOSE WINDOWS DO NOT OPEN, SO IT'S KIND OF A HAZARD FOR HIM LIKE, YOU KNOW, EXIT POINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR ANY OF HIS FAMILY IN CASE IT CATCHES ON FIRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY HE WANTS TO REPLACE THEM.
I DID DO WHAT HE DID, ASKED ME TO GO GET IT, BID IT OUT FOR US TO GET LIKE POLICE, FIND OUT IF WE COULD GET IT REPLACED, UH, YOU KNOW, GET IT NOT REPLACED BUT GET IT, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTED REFRAMED.
IT ACTUALLY COST US $5,700 COMPARED TO THE COST THAT HE HAD REPAID 2,600 SOMETHING DOLLARS ON THE WINDOWS.
SO IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE FOR HIM TO GET 'EM REFRAMED.
AND THEY, WHAT THEY TOLD US IS EVEN GETTING 'EM REFRAMED AND, YOU KNOW, READJUSTED AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY DO NOT, THEY DON'T GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GONNA STILL, YOU KNOW, OPEN WITHIN TIME.
THEY SAID THAT IT'S GONNA SHIFT A LITTLE BIT AND THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, NOT OPENING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE DID TALK TO TWO COMPANIES BY THE WAY ON THAT.
LIKE YOU DID RECOMMEND THAT HE DID SEE, HE DID WALK IT OUT THERE.
UM, HE DID SEE THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE FACING THE HOUSE.
HE DID SEE THOSE WINDOWS THAT WERE ROTTEN.
UM, I'LL LET YOU UH, FINISH YOUR, UM, SORRY HE DID SEE THE ROTTING WEDDINGS.
YEAH, HE DOES RECOMMEND THESE TWO WINDOWS TO GET REPLACED.
SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE POINT RIGHT NOW THAT HE PURCHASED THE WINDOWS.
SORRY, YOU KNOW, HE PURCHASED THE WINDOWS AND THEY'RE SITTING AT A WAREHOUSE RIGHT NOW.
HE'S PAYING LIKE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE $20 FOR THEM TO SIT A DAY 'CAUSE HE ALREADY WENT OVER HIS TIME AND UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TRYING TO REPRESENT HIM, TRYING TO HELP HIM OUT, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEM, YOU KNOW, REPLACED.
THEY ARE THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME STYLE BUT THEY'RE VINYL WINDOWS.
THEY DO, HE DOES HAVE SHUTTERS IN THE FRONT SO THEY WILL BE COVERED, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THE OLD SHUTTERS.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? YES SIR.
ON THE, WHAT'S IT CALLED IN THE MASON AREA OUTSIDE, I DID TALK TO SAN ANTONIO MASON AREA AND I HAVE A CELL PHONE NUMBER BUT WE NEED TO CALL HIM OR EVERYTHING LIKE THAT JUST FOR Y'ALL CAN KNOW THAT THE MASON AREA HE DID, IT'S ABOUT AN INCH AND A HALF.
IT'S ABOUT AN INCH AND A HALF OF A GAP.
SO EVEN WHEN WE PUT THE MASON AREA, IT'S NOT GONNA MATCH.
THE MOTOR'S NOT GONNA MATCH TO THE SAME EXISTING MOTOR THAT HE DID.
HE DID RECOMMEND ME A COMPANY TOO.
THEY SAID THE SAME THING THAT IT WILL NOT MATCH.
IT'S LIKE PAINT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU COME BACK AND PAINT WHATCHA ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, THE MASON AREA, LIKE, YOU KNOW, A BRICK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GRAB AROUND IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO PAINT ON IT.
UH, YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO PAINT IT.
'CAUSE THE GROUT LINE'S GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE MASON AREA'S GONNA BE LIKE THIS BIG.
SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE HIS CRACKS GOING UP TO FILL HIM IN INSTEAD OF PUTTING CAULKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS PICTURES OF A THAT'S OKAY.
BUT BASICALLY THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PAINT IT AND, YOU KNOW, COVER THOSE LITTLE AREAS FOR HIM AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
YEAH, SO WE HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER.
UH, BIANCA MALTO IS HERE TO SPEAK.
A LOT HAPPENED IN, SORRY, THIS IS OUR EIGHTH CASE THIS WEEK.
BIANCA MALDONADO WITH MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OFFERING COMMENTS, UH, BASED ON THE REVIEW OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THIS PROPERTY, WE APPRECIATE PROPERTY OWNERS SEEKING TO IMPROVE AND INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST CT ASSIST ASSIST WITH PRESERVING THE HISTORIC TWO TO A REVIVAL HOME AT 2123 WEST MAGNOLIA BY DENYING THE REQUEST TO PAINT THE MASONRY EXTERIOR AND REPLACE THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL TO PAINT THE ORIGINAL MASONRY.
EXTERIOR WOULD BE A LOSS TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THIS HOME.
ALSO, THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE NOT BEYOND REPAIR AND CAN BE SALVAGED AND RESTORED.
WE NOTE THAT DENIAL OF BOTH THESE REQUESTS IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL PRIOR ACTIONS TAKEN BY CTAB AND HDRC FOR THESE SAME REQUESTS WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE WISH THE APPLICANT THE BEST AND HOPE THEY CONSIDER THE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS AVAILABLE FOR SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION FOR PROPERTIES WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OFFERING SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, FEEDBACK.
WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE YOU'VE REQUESTED THE REMOVAL OF PAINT FOR VIOLATIONS THAT OCCURRED WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WE'VE HAD SOME SUCCESSFUL REMOVALS OF PEOPLE WHO PROCEEDED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PAINTED THE MASONRY SEVERAL AND SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS HAVING TO REMOVE IT.
I THINK, UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT STAFF COULD PROVIDE AS MUCH RESOURCES AS POSSIBLE TO, FOR A MASONRY INDIVIDUAL TO ASSIST WITH MATCHING THE GROUT LINES.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PHENOMENAL EXECUTIONS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PEOPLE MATCHING VERY CUSTOM
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COLORED GROUT LINES ON STONE AND ON BRICK HOMES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.SO I JUST QUESTIONED THE INTEGRITY OF A COMMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MATCH THAT GROUT COLOR.
UM, AND SO I KNOW THAT IT CAN BE CHALLENGING WITH WORKING ON A HISTORIC HOME AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE COULD ASSIST WITH, WITH PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO DID IT SUCCESSFULLY AS EXAMPLES, UH, TO UTILIZE, I THINK THAT CAN BE HUGELY BENEFICIAL IN A SITUATION THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
AND I'LL QUICKLY ADD TO THAT, THAT YES, WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT CASES THAT HAVE INFORMATION FOR ME TO GIVE.
HAVE Y'ALL DO HAVE THEIR INFORMATION FOR I COULD GIVE 'EM A CALL AND LET'S SEE IF THEY COULD HELP ME OUT, YOU KNOW, TO HELP THE GENTLEMAN OUT.
WELL LUCKILY YOU HAVEN'T PAINTED IT SO YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT REMOVED.
UH, SO I APPRECIATE IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST A QUESTION THAT I HAD, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO SEE IF HE COULD GET APPROVED BY IT.
I DID LET HIM KNOW THERE WAS SOME HOUSES OUT THERE PAYING IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANNA ORDER PLEASE.
UM, YES, WE WERE UH, AWARE, WE ARE AWARE WE'RE IN DISCUSSION NOW.
EXCUSE ME? I SAID WE ACTUALLY HAD PUBLIC SPEAKING.
HAVE ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS CONCLUDED.
UH, SIR, I WAS, AS I WAS SAYING, UM, THERE WAS SEVERAL CASES WITHIN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT UM, HAVE UNFORTUNATELY PAINTED OVER THE MASONRY AND SOME OF THOSE HOMES EVEN HAD A BRICK MASONRY MIXED IN WITH, UH, STONE MASONRY.
I THINK IT'S ON THE CORNER OF WEST KINGS HIGHWAY AND VOL.
UM, THEY HAD PAINTED THE WHOLE THING GRAY AND THEY WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY REMOVE IT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA DO THAT.
NO, WE, WHEN I, BECAUSE PAINTING OVER IT WILL NOT REMEDY THE, THE CRACK PROBLEMS I SEE OVER WHAT THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT, THERE'S AND THEN THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S YEAH, THAT YOU COUNTED ABOUT 30, UH, 37 CRACKS AND A MAJORITY OF 'EM, LIKE THEY'RE LIKE HALF AN INCH, YOU KNOW, TO TWO INCHES.
THINK OF IT AS LIKE A PERSON, THESE HOMES ARE, THEY GET OLD.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE IS NEARING A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, IF NOT ALREADY.
ALL THOSE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD PEOPLE, THEY GOT PLENTY OF CRACKS.
SO THINK OF THIS POOR HOME AND IT'S GONNA HAVE IT.
AND THOSE ARE AS BIZARRE AS THIS MAY SOUND PART OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES.
AND THERE ARE WAYS, LIKE THE LADY SAID TO HELP, UH, I WOULD TAKE HER MAKE, UH, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION SHE HAS OR REFERRALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'LL TAKE 'EM.
THEY HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT CAN HELP YOU FIND RESOURCES.
ACTUALLY THERE ARE A FEW WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I'LL HUSH AND LET MY COLLEAGUE SPEAK.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, UH, SO YOU ARE NOT THE OWNER, CORRECT? YOU'RE REPRESENTING? YES MA'AM.
HE'S ACTUALLY HERE, THE OWNER.
AND HAVE THEY WORKED WITH, UH, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY? HAVE THEY WORKED BEFORE WITH THE HISTORICAL MS MAL MALDONADO? UH, NO.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON MY LEFT OR QUESTIONS? NO, I ON MY RIGHT.
ANY ONLINE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I, IF NOT, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
PLEASE WORK WITH THE OHP STAFF ON NEXT STEPS, WHICH CAN POINT YOU TO MANY RESOURCES AS LONG AS THE N AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THEY'VE GOT PLENTY OF RESOURCES AND A LOT THAT ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'LL GET WITH, I'LL GET WITH HIM AND I'LL LET HIM KNOW THAT YES.
YOU KNOW, WE DID GET DENIED, SO I APOLOGIZE.
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THANK YOU.