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GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.LET'S HAVE OUR SPANISH TRANSLATION SERVICES STATEMENT, PLEASE.
I'M THE VICE CHAIR OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT SIX ZONING COMMISSION.
IN THE ABSENCE OF CHAIR JOHN BUSANTE, I WILL BE CHAIRING TODAY'S MEETING.
I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE COMMISSIONER ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT.
MY NAME IS ROB S SIPES, AND I REPRESENT DISTRICT SEVEN.
DANNY KELLUM, DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT 10.
JOHN WHITSETT, MOSES, VE, DISTRICT NINE, MOSA, DISTRICT TWO, GEORGE OSA, DISTRICT THREE AEZ, DISTRICT FOUR, ANA MAYOR'S APPOINTEE.
UH, AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'RE ABLE, PLEASE STAND FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE BY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
SO, PRIOR TO CONVINCING OUR HEARING, I WOULD LIKE OUR STAFF TO REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF, PLEASE PROCEED.
BEFORE WE BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES OFF ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION.
YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.
STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST.
PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT.
PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION.
FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST FOR THOSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING.
YOU'LL BE CALLED IN ORDER THAT YOU SIGN TO SPEAK.
THOSE IN SUPPORT IN OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER, PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION.
YOU'LL BE INFORMED THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE UP THEIR TIME TO SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE, UH, ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES.
THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND MUST YIELD TIME.
WHEN THE SPEAKER GOES TO THE PODIUM, THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL TO LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS.
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DO WE HAVE ANY POSTPONED OR WITHDRAWN ITEMS TODAY? ITEM NUMBER ONE IS WITHDRAWN.SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE AND THAT WOULD BE ON 1 0 3 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE.
UH, THIS ITEM WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UH, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE RENO.
THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN TO THE HEARING AND PLEASE ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY.
LET'S MOVE ON TO A COMBINED ITEMS, UH, STAFF.
PLEASE READ THE LIST OF THE ITEMS CURRENTLY ON THE COMBINED HEARING.
NUMBER ONE, THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER 2, 3, 4, 5 8, 9, 11, 12, AND 14 ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
I SEE 14 HAS HAD ADDING CONDITIONS, CORRECT? I'LL READ THEM IN.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA YOU WISH TO PULL TO INDIVIDUAL? UM, LOOKING LEFT, SEEING NONE, LOOKING RIGHT.
UH, STAFF PLEASE READ THE ITEMS ON THE COMBINED HEARING.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE
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IN ZONING FROM C3 NA TO C3 LOCATED AT 2 3 4 SAN PEDRO AVENUE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.16 NOTICES WERE MAILED, ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R FOUR TO IDZ ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR A LAUNDRY AND DRY CLEANING, SELF STORAGE OR SELF SERVICE LOCATED AT 4 5 4 AVONDALE AVENUE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
19 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE HIGHLAND HILLS OR THE HOT WELLS.
MISSION REACH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ITEM NUMBER THREE, OR, I'M SORRY, NUMBER FOUR.
A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO RM FOUR WITH ALL LAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
ZERO OPPOSED LACKLAND TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 300 WEST PYRON AVENUE.
AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE HARLANDALE MCCOLLUM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM IDZ TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND MF THREE MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT TO TOD MX SIX WITH ALL OF LAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 4 21 ROOSEVELT AVENUE.
52 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED ROOSEVELT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I ONE TO C TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF MEDINA BASE ROAD AND OLD PIOL ROAD.
ZERO OPPOSED, AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE SOUTHWEST COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM OH TWO TO C TWO LOCATED AT 42 0 4 GARDENDALE STREET.
45 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED, AND NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITHIN 200 FEET.
ITEM NUMBER 12 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM MR TO C3 R WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 8 2 2 5 DAVE IRWIN DRIVE.
10 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR.
ZERO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM THE BROOKS AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND THEN OUR LAST ITEM, ITEM 14, IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C3 NA TO C TWO CDS WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR ALCOHOL BAR AND OR TAVERN WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK.
AND A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CLUB PRIVATE WITH ALL OVERLAYS TO REMAIN THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 7 1 5 7 1 9 AND 7 2 3 SOUTH FLORES STREET.
ZERO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR THE SAN ANTONIO TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION.
AS NOTED, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ADD THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, THAT HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 7:30 AM TO 11:00 PM SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.
AND THAT IS IT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS. OKAY, GREAT.
UH, THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION CHAIR COMBINED CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEMS 2 3 4 5 8 9 11 12 14 AS AMENDED.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
UH, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS, UH, LOOKING LEFT? NO LOOKING RIGHT.
SO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KLUM AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOSA IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 2 3 4 5 8 9 11, 12, AND 14 WITH THE ADDED CONDITIONS.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OF THESE ITEMS THAT WERE JUST READ, THEY'RE GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR CONTINUOUS ITEMS. UH, NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA ARE ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED TO AUGUST THE FOURTH, 2026 STAFF.
DO WE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, SO ITEM SIX AND SEVEN ARE REQUESTING A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE TO THE AUGUST 4TH, UH, 2026
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MEETING.AND THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR A MOTION CHAIR.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THESE ITEMS UNTIL AUGUST 4TH.
ITEM NUMBER SIX AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER KLUM AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PANA TO CONTINUE ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN TO AUGUST THE FOURTH, 2026.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PANA TO CONTINUE ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN TO AUGUST THE FOURTH.
ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. ARE YOU READY TO PRESENT? GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BEA, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 3,100 BLOCK OF SOUTH GAVER STREET GOING FROM MF 18 LIMITED DENSITY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AND R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT TO C3 CD GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTORS.
SCREENING REQUIRED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS AND ADJACENT PROPERTY WITH ALL OVERLAY STAYING THE SAME.
THERE ARE 42 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS GIVEN NO RESPONSE.
THE EXISTING R SIX AND MF 18 DISTRICTS ARE APPROPRIATE ZONING DESIGNATIONS FOR THE PROP, UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED C3 CD DISTRICT IS NOT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT CONDITIONS THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW A CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR'S USE, IT WOULD ALSO INTRODUCE A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA.
ALTHOUGH INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS EXIST NEARBY, THEY'RE CONCENTRATED ALONG SOUTH BEAVER STREET AND REPRESENT USES AND ZONING DIS I MEAN, A GREATER INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAN THAT ENVISIONED UNDER THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION, UH, APPLICABLE IN THOSE AREAS.
FURTHERMORE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD EXTEND BEYOND THE ESTABLISHED SOUTH AVER STREET COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE BLOCK WHERE THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN REMAINS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL.
AS A RESULT, THE REQUEST IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING LAND USE PATTERN OR THE INTENT OF MAINTAINING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ALONG THE ESTABLISHED CORRIDOR.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION IS PENDING THE JULY 22ND, 2026 HEARING, AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
PLEASE, UH, CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PRIOR TO MAKING YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, ADRIAN RAMIREZ AND ME, MY WIFE AND FAMILY OWN INFINITY REAL PROPERTIES WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY AND WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, DEVELOP SOME FLEX SPACE, UH, UH, FLEXIBLE OFFICE SPACE.
UM, MAYBE I CAN SHOW YOU SOME, UH, SLIDES OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
SO THAT FRONT STREET THERE IS, UH, GS AND THEN, UH, THE STREET BEHIND IT IS COSGROVE, THE DRY POND.
THERE'S A DRY POND BE, UH, BEFORE THAT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP, UH, THESE WAREHOUSE SPACES WHERE YOU HAVE A LITTLE OFFICE, UM, A ROLL DOOR, SO MAYBE LIKE A PLUMBER CAN PARK THERE, DO, UH, INVOICING FROM THE OFFICE.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING 15 OF THESE UNITS.
AND, UH, WE, WE DO REQUIRE C3 JUST BECAUSE, UM, EVERY OTHER FLEX SPACE IN THE CITY HAS THIS, UH, ZONING.
SO FOR US TO DO THE INVESTMENT, WE, WE NEED TO MATCH THAT ZONING.
UH, SOMETHING WE CAN DO IS DO, UH, NA NON-ALCOHOLIC.
AND I, I'M SURE THE COMMUNITY THERE NEIGHBORS WILL APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, WE CAN LIMIT THE, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION AS WELL.
WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE WITH ALL THAT.
I DID SPEAK WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS AROUND AND DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY, UH, NEGATIVE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SOMETHING WAS GONNA BE DONE WITH A LOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF TRASH IN THE LOT.
THERE'S OVERGROWN MOSQUITOES, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES.
AND, UM, HOMELESS PEOPLE WITH TENTS
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LIVING THERE.UH, SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WERE IN FAVOR THAT SOMETHING WAS GONNA GET DONE THERE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE PROJECT.
I THINK I MISSED YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, THE ADDRESS IS YOUR ADDRESS CORRECT? UH, MINE, WHERE I LIVE, MY PERSONAL ADDRESS, IT'S UH, 2 4 1 0 3 7 WINDS SAN ANTONIO.
WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SO PLEASE TAKE A SEAT.
UH, STAFF, DO WE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS.
AND WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER OSA BECAUSE THAT'S ZERO DISTRICT.
CHAIR INTERIM OR INTERIM CHAIR? PRO TEMP OR TEMPORARY HIRE? TEMPORARY HIRE
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, UH, I DIDN'T SEE IT ON THE LITTLE PICTURE OR ON THE SIDE PLAN HERE, BUT MAYBE I'M MISSING IT, BUT ARE YOU GONNA HAVE ANY KIND OF GATE OFF? 'CAUSE THAT ENTRANCE IS GONNA BE OFF OF AVERS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
ENTRANCE IS ON AVERS WHERE THE, ON THE LEFT OF THAT PICTURE THERE.
AND THEN YEAH, THERE IS A GATE ON THE BACK.
SO THERE'S AN ALLEY STREET ON THE NORTH OF THE PICTURE.
THERE'S A 10 FEET ALLEY STREET.
SO THERE'LL BE A, A GATE, A SOLID GATE THROUGH THAT AREA, AND THEN ALSO TO THE RIGHT.
AND WE'RE LEAVING, UH, 30 FEET OF A SPACE OF GREEN SPACE TO THE RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S A NEIGHBOR ON THE BACK.
BUT, UH, WILL THERE BE A GATE AFTER HOURS TO IMPEDE ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AFTER HOURS OR NO, WE CAN ADD A GATE IF OKAY.
WE, WE ARE NOT PLANNING A GATE BECAUSE IT'S FREE ENTRY AND EVERYTHING IS LOCKED.
AND CURRENTLY, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION? I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE THERE, BUT A, A A GUESSTIMATE OF WHAT YOU PLAN OR MAYBE YOU TALK TO OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE THE SAME PROPERTY.
SEVEN 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM BUT NOPE, NORMALLY IT'S EIGHT TO 5 8 2 6.
BUT I WOULD REQUEST 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM JUST TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THE TENANTS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE 15, UH, ARE ALL OF 'EM GONNA BE THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL 1300 SQUARE FEET.
THEY ALL HAVE, UH, AN OFFICE, UH, 1375, A SMALL OFFICE, A BATHROOM, AND YEAH, IT'S JUST SOME FLEXIBLE SPACE.
UH, THE AREA REALLY LACKS, UH, THAT TYPE OF SPACE AROUND DOWNTOWN.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONTRACTORS, UH, THAT THEY STEAL THEIR VANS, THEIR EQUIPMENT, UH, THEY WORK OUT OF THEIR GARAGE.
THEY REALLY NEED A SPACE TO PUT THEIR EQUIPMENT INSIDE AND WORK ON A, IN AN OFFICE AND HAVE A MORE PROFESSIONAL WAY OF CONDUCTING THEIR BUSINESS.
WHAT IS THE, UH, CURRENT RATE OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PLAN TO GET PER UNIT? RENT WISE? MM-HMM
MONTHLY, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT 1600 A UNIT.
SO IT'S ACCESSIBLE FOR SOMEONE JUST, UH, WORKING OUT OF THEIR GARAGE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, A BIG RENT.
SO WE'RE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN A BIG, UH, WAREHOUSE SPACE AND SOMEBODY WORKING OUT OF THEIR GARAGE.
LEMME GET, UM, A QUESTION FOR, UH, CITY STAT WORK FOR SAMANTHA.
UH, MS. PENDA, UH, CAN, CAN YOU, WHAT WOULD BE AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY WOULD APPROVE? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD APPROVE AN ALTERNATE.
ANYTHING BELOW C TWO WOULD NOT PERMIT THE CONDITIONAL USE, SO WE WOULD NOT APPROVE A C TWO CD.
UH, THANK YOU, UH, MR. RAMIREZ, UH, REAL QUICK AGAIN, UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO SOME LIKE DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING AND, AND, UH, YES.
UH, I DID TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND ASSURE TO THEM THAT EVERY LIGHTING WAS DOWN FACED.
WE DON'T NEED A LOT OF LIGHTING THERE.
UH, AND WE, WELL, WE DEFINITELY IN THAT AREA, IT'S PRONE TO SOME HOMELESS, NOT, NOT, IT'S NOT A HUGE MEGA SPOT FOR HOMELESS, BUT THERE ARE SOME HOMELESS ON, ON AVERS, UH, AND SOME, A LITTLE FURTHER PROBABLY WEST OF, OF STEVE'S.
BUT, UM, WE WOULD DEFINITELY WANT LIGHTING.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A CRUCIAL POINT, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT DIRECTLY INTO THEIR BACKYARD.
ALSO, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE, UH, LIKE A, LIKE TEMPORARY PENDANT FLAG WAIVER RESTRICTION? LIKE, YOU KNOW HOW THEY HAVE THOSE LITTLE FLAGGY THINGS FLYING ALL AROUND.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH NOT HAVING THAT OKAY.
I'LL OPEN UP FOR OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OTHER THANK YOU.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS? LOOKING LEFT, COMMISSIONER AL.
UH, SO TO STAFF, COULD WE ZOOM IN ON THE, UM, THE, THE MAP THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY ON
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THE SLIDE THAT'S SHOWN, BUT COULD, COULD YOU ZOOM IN ON YEAH.JUST A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS MAP, I SEE THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BUT THAT IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE, THAT'S NOT ALL DEVELOPED OUT YET.
RIGHT? COULD WE MAYBE GO ONTO GOOGLE MAPS AND SEE? UH, SO IT, IT IS DEVELOPED OUT.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY DEVELOPED IS COSGROVE ON THE PORTION THAT GOES TO THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT HOUSES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF COSGROVE, I BELIEVE THAT'S AN OLDER IMAGE.
LET'S LET, LET'S GO ONTO GOOGLE MAPS.
JUST BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN I PULLED UP STREET VIEW IT, IT GAVE ME A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE.
WHEN I PULLED UP GOOGLE'S STREET VIEW, I GOT A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE THAN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE, UH, THE ZONING MAP.
SO MAYBE IF WE COULD PULL IT UP, WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT, UH, IN THE INTERIM, WHILE STAFF IS PULLING THAT UP, MAYBE TO THE APPLICANT.
COULD, UH, YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, COMPETING PROPERTIES HAVING, RIGHT.
SO OTHER BUSINESSES DOING THE SAME THING.
LIKE FLEX SPACE OFFICE, THEY ALL HAVE C3.
SO ME HAVING C TWO, IT WOULDN'T BE WORTH THE INVESTMENT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THOUGH, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU WANT? OR, UH, NO, THE TRAITS MAYBE, UH, UH, THAT, THAT WILL RENT OR LEASE THE PROPERTIES, I WOULD BE LIMITED.
SO IT'S TOO MUCH INVESTMENT TO BE THE USE THE USES WOULD BE LIMITED.
TO SOMEONE ELSE ON STAFF OTHER THAN THE FOLKS PULLING UP GOOGLE MAPS, COULD YOU GUYS CONFIRM THAT RIGHT? THAT THE, THE TENANTS, THE USE OF THE TENANTS MATTERS WHEN THEY NEED TO GET THE, THE OCCUPANCY PERMIT, RIGHT? OR IS THAT HOW IT WORKS? YES.
UM, THEY WILL NEED SEPARATE CFOS FOR EACH TENANT SPACE.
AND SO IT WILL RELY ON WHAT THE ZONING IS.
HE IS REQUESTING A CD FOR A, THE CONTRACTORS, UM, CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS, WHICH WOULD PERMIT A VARIETY OF THOSE CONTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, UM, PAINTING A LOT OF YOUR, UH, HANDYMAN KIND OF FOLKS THAT WORK ON, UM, DEVELOPMENTS.
SO, RIGHT, SO THAT THERE'S, THERE'S MORE USES THAT'D BE ALLOWED UNDER C3 THAN THERE WOULD BE UNDER C TWO.
I MEAN, A LOT OF 'EM ARE PERMITTED IN C TWO, BUT THE BIGGEST ONES THAT WE SEE IN C3 ARE LIKE YOUR AUTO SALES, YOUR AUTO DEALERSHIPS, BARS, YOU KNOW, NIGHTCLUBS.
BUT MANY OF THE C3 ITEMS ARE ALSO, UM, IS THERE AN NA REQUESTED ON THIS? I BELIEVE THAT HE IS AMENDING TO ADD THE NA WHICH HE IS ALLOWED TO DO.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT IN, BUT WE, WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE TO DO, UH, LIMITED OFFICE HOURS, NA UH, THE LIGHTING, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO BE OKAY WITH THE COMMUNITY OR NEIGHBORS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT PROBABLY THE NA IS THE ONE THAT MAKES, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
I I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PUT A BAR ON A DOWN STREET AND IT'S ALL, UM, OFFICE SPACE.
NOBODY WILL GO TO A BAR IN, IN A STREET LIKE THAT.
BUT NA YES, WE WILL REQUEST NA.
SO, UH, UM, I SEE STAFF HAS PULLED UP A NICE SATELLITE IMAGE.
UM, IT, UH, IT AT LEAST WHAT IT, THE, THE SURPRISE THAT I HAD WHEN I PULLED UP THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW WAS MORE, BUT YOU CAN STILL SEE HERE, RIGHT? THAT, UM, THE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT AREA, MAYBE YOU COULD PUT THE CURSOR OVER WHERE IT WOULD BE, RIGHT.
BUT WHEN I LOOKED, UM, UH, IT WAS ONLY THE TOP PART OF THAT.
RIGHT? LIKE COSGROVE, IF YOU GO, UM, SOUTH OR, UH, WELL THAT'D BE EAST COSGROVE, LIKE INTERSECTS THAT PARCEL, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S CO COSGROVE BASED TO THE WEST.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRY POND AND THE LOT, UH, MORE TO THE RIGHT.
THE, IT'S NOT ORIENTED NORTH, IT'S NOT DEVELOPED.
THAT IS COSGROVE AND THAT STREET IS NOT IN THE FIVE, 10 OR 15 YEAR PLAN OF THE CITY TO DEVELOP.
AND THEN SOUTH OF THE NON-EXISTENT CORO STREET.
SO THIS IS THE THING I'M STRUGGLING WITH A LITTLE BIT.
MAYBE COULD WE ORIENT NORTH ON THE, UH, THERE YOU GO.
SO FROM WHAT I COULD SEE COMPARING THE, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND THE SATELLITE WITH THE MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE SOUTH OF COSGROVE, THERE'S LIKE A DRY POND THERE.
THERE'S A DRY POND THAT HAS THE OTHER TWO R ZONED, LIKE THERE'S A,
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UH, A LINE OF OUR ZONE PROPERTIES, THEN A PLATTED ALLEY, AND THEN ANOTHER LINE OF OUR ZONED PROPERTIES, UM, TO STAFF.LIKE, LIKE THAT'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA.
BUT IS THAT EVER GONNA BE DEVELOPED WITH THE DRY POND THERE? IT, IT'S NOT IN A FLOODPLAIN, BUT, SO WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY PLANS FOR NOW.
BUT YOU NEVER SAY NEVER THAT IT COULD BE RIGHT? SO, SO THE ONLY EMPTY LOT IS A LOT IN QUESTION.
UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S MF 18 ON THE FRONT TWO PARCELS AND R SIX ON THE BACK THERE.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE SOUTH FROM THAT PICTURE, ALL THAT AREA IS A DRY POND.
AND THEN THE UNDEVELOPED COSGROVE STREET THAT RUN FROM EAST TO WEST, UH, IT'S JUST UNDEVELOPED, UH, THE WHOLE WAY.
SO THERE'S NO NEIGHBORS TO THE, TO TO ANYWHERE, JUST TO THE WEST, TO THIS SIDE.
AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION YES.
FOR, FOR STAFF, UM, ON, UH, VERS VER RSS, GS GS VERS, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE USES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO WEST, UM, THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON THE MAP, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LIKE COMMERCIAL AND STORAGE.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE SATELLITE INDICATES RIGHT ACROSS.
THAT'S WHAT STAFF, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO WHAT PROPERTY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 'CAUSE THERE'S LIKE A RESTAURANT NORTH OF COSGROVE ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS THE, THE I ONE ZONING.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE C TWO ZONING TO THE SOUTH HERE.
AND UM, THAT APPEARS TO BE MAYBE LIKE A OFFICE BUILDING.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO ORIENT MYSELF AND 'CAUSE LIKE, BASED JUST ON THE MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT AND THEN ACTUALLY SOME, UH, COMMERCIAL USES, SO.
COMMISSIONER BALL, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THE COMMISSIONER LOS AND THEN COMMISSIONER WIAT.
HAD A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER OR OWNER? YEAH.
UM, SO YOU HAD MENTIONED OPERATING HOURS, SEVEN TO 10:00 PM YES.
GIVEN WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED, THE TENANTS, I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE THE LATER HOURS, LIKE AFTER 6:00 PM WHY, WHY YOU WANT THE 10:00 PM CLOSE? JUST TO BE FLEXIBLE.
MAYBE A, A PLUMBER FORGETS A TOOL AND HE'S GONNA RUN IN THE MORNING SOMEWHERE AND MAYBE HE CAN'T GET IN AFTER SIX AND HE MIGHT NOT LIKE, LIKE THAT.
BUT NORMALLY PEOPLE WILL COME IN, UH, PULL THEIR EQUIPMENT, COME BACK, DO SOME INVOICING AND GO HOME.
NO, NOBODY WANTS TO WORK THE ENTIRE DAY.
AND THEN EARLIER WHEN YOU WERE PRESENTING THE ITEM, YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU SPOKE TO A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
I KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WHO'S ACTUALLY THERE AND WHAT'S DEVELOPED AND WHAT'S NOT.
BUT BECAUSE THE MAP DOESN'T INDICATE ANY SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, LIKE THERE'S NO RESPONSES AT ALL.
I'M CURIOUS, UM, I GUESS LIKE WHAT THOSE INTERACTIONS WERE AND, AND WHY YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET FOLKS LIKE RESIDENTS TO REGISTER THEIR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS.
AND NOT ASKING THEM TO SIGN SOMETHING, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE OFFICIAL WAY WAS FOR THEM TO SIGN.
SO I WENT WITH RENDERINGS AND SHARED RENDERINGS COPIES WITH EVERYBODY AROUND THERE.
SO IT TOOK ME THREE DAYS TO GO ONE BY ONE.
AND I HAVE THE COMMENTS, I HAVE A LIST WITH THEIR NAME, THE TIME I WAS WITH THEM, BUT I DIDN'T HAVE HIM SIGN IT.
I CAN GO BACK AND, AND HAVE HIM SIGN IT, BUT I, NOT MY FORMAL REQUEST, I DIDN'T KNOW THE PROCESS DIDN'T.
YEAH, JUST HELPFUL TO CLARIFY THAT.
UM, I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, WHAT IS A DRY POND? LIKE WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? I JUST DUNNO.
THAT TERM IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST A DETENTION POND.
WHAT'S IT USED FOR? FOR, FOR, UH, RETAINING WATER.
SO WHEN WE HAVE THOSE SIGNIFICANT RAINS, LIKE LAST WEEK, IT HOLD, IT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE ALL THAT STORM WATER AND UM, SAFELY DIVERT IT AWAY.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT LIKE, IT, THE PURPOSE, THE USES CONTAINED WITHIN THAT PLOT, IT'S NOT GONNA SPILL OVER TO NEIGHBORING.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A FENCE AROUND IT AS WELL.
WHAT'S THAT? ALRIGHT, MY QUESTION MAY BE FOR COMBINATION OF BOTH OF STAFF AND YOU, UH, SIR, UH, IS JUST THAT STREET THAT'S NOT THERE, IS HE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO BUILD THAT STREET? I MEAN, IT'S SHOWN ON THE CITY MAPS.
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I WOULD NEED TO DO SOME MORE DIGGING ON THAT ONE, BUT IT IS UNLIKELY THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THAT OUT.IT'S LIKELY WHAT WE WOULD CALL A PAPER STREET, WHICH MEANS IT WAS AT ONE POINT IN TIME PLANNED, BUT NEVER BUILT OUT AND ACCEPTED BY THE CITY.
AND WE PRO ALMOST CERTAINLY WOULD NOT REQUIRE THAT TODAY.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, HE WON'T HAVE TO REPL, UH, OR WILL HE HAVE TO REPL HERE? HE, HE MOST LIKELY WOULD HAVE TO REPL 'CAUSE HE CAN'T, HE HAS MULTIPLE PROPERTY LINES IN THERE AND YOU CANNOT HAVE A BUILDING GO OVER THOSE PROPERTY LINES.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR, SORRY TO ADD YEAH, BUT IT, IT WAS NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD THAT STREET FROM WHAT I, FROM THE RESEARCH WE'VE DONE BECAUSE IT, THE ENTRANCE IS ON GS FOR THE PROJECT AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT STREET FOR ANYBODY, BUDDY.
ANYBODY ELSE ON MY LEFT? NOPE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER OSA? MR. RODRIGUEZ, REAL QUICK.
UH, I MAYBE THIS IS THE EDUCATOR IN ME FOR TEACHING MORE THAN 20 YEARS, BUT I HEAR SOMETIMES COMING OUTTA YOUR MOUTH, SOMETIMES IS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A C3 OR OTHER, THE CITY'S RIGHT HERE.
SO I MEAN, WE WILL GET CLARIFICATION FROM, AND THAT'S WHY WE ASK, UH, FOR THAT QUESTION IS, UM, THE HOURS, YOU MENTIONED IT WAS, UH, 7:00 AM 10:00 PM WAS THAT, WAS THAT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OR THAT'S MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? I'M JUST TRYING TO GUESSTIMATE ON THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, JUST BECAUSE ELECTRICIAN MAY HAVE AN ISSUE AND NEED TO GO GRAB SOME EQUIPMENT THEN GO IN, IN AND OUT.
BUT NORMALLY THEY WOULD JUST WORK MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY NORMAL, UH, OFFICE HOURS.
TENANTS WILL BE S YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.
AND THEN FOR, UH, JUST TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION THAT THAT, UH, UH, THAT DETENTION POND WAS MADE BY THE CITY JUST A COUPLE YEARS AGO, OR MAYBE NO MORE THAN SIX YEARS AGO.
UH, AND THEY EVEN HAVE A LITTLE WALKING TRAIL AS I AID IN THE RESTAURANT ACROSS THE STREET THIS MORNING.
MY WIFE WOULD'VE WANTED ME TO GO WALKING, BUT I DIDN'T.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S A NEW RETENTION POND AND, AND I LIVE NOT TOO, TOO FAR FROM THERE.
SO CHAIR QUESTION FOR YOU, FOR MY LIST OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, ADDENDUMS TO THIS FOR THIS, WOULD THAT BE AT THE NEXT ROUND? YES.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE CASE.
I'LL RECOGNIZE, UH, COMMISSIONER OSA FOR DISCUSSIONS AND POSSIBLE MOTION.
SO THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
UH, I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY A KIND OF A TOUGH CASE.
WE USE THAT A LOT SOMETIMES, BUT I THINK IT REALLY IS BECAUSE I, I, WE DON'T HAVE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE OVERWHELMING NOT SUPPORT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TAKE NOTES, BUT I DEFINITELY WANNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUT A A, AN NA A NON-ALCOHOLIC OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM AND SUNDAY, I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MORNING, I GUESS, SO MAYBE 7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM OKAY.
UH, ALSO, UH, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE AREA RIGHT THERE.
ESPECIALLY TOWARD THE BACK, I MEAN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, BUT DOWNWARD FACING LOTTY, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO ADD THAT.
A RESTRICTION ON TEMPORARY, UH, SIGNS THAT GO FLIPPITY, FLOPPITY ALL OVER THERE.
AND THEN, UM, I, I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT IT BE.
BUT THIS, THIS IS A REALLY CLOSE AND, AND, AND ONE THING JUST FOR, FOR ON THE RECORD FOR EVERYBODY WHO'S HERE, THE MANY, MANY PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ZONING.
THIS GOES WITH THE LAND, RIGHT? IN, IN 40 YEARS, I MAY NOT BE HERE, RIGHT.
I MAY NOT BE HERE IN 20 YEARS, BUT, UH, THIS GOES WITH THE LAND.
SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS C3 SEEMS PRETTY, PRETTY LARGE FOR THIS AREA.
AND C3, SOMEBODY COULD COME IN LATER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OWNER COULD SELL THE PROPERTY, COME IN AND DO WHATEVER'S WITHIN C3, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A TAVR IN A BAR.
I THINK EVEN AN AMUSEMENT PARK, I MIGHT LIKE THAT OR MY KIDS.
BUT, UM, IT'S ALWAYS NOT PERSONAL AND IT'S JUST FOR THE NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME IN OUR AREAS, THE NEIGHBORS ARE GONNA BE THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
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I I, I THINK I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS.IF, IF EVERYTHING IS, IS, IS, IS MET HERE, UM, SOLELY BECAUSE YOU COULD JUST GO A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN TOWARD FAIR.
AND THAT'S MORE OF A LARGER THOROUGHFARE, WHICH HAS MORE, MORE, MORE, UH, USAGE AS FAR, I THINK THERE'S SOME C THREES DOWN THERE AS WELL.
SO COMMISSIONER, JUST TO HELP OUT OUR SECRETARY, CAN YOU STATE YOUR MOTION WITH THOSE CONDITIONS? YES.
SO NON, UH, AN NA NON-ALCOHOLIC.
SO MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE AMENDED? YES.
MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE AMENDED.
DO I, DO I NEED TO LIST THAT? YES, THOSE FOUR.
UH, SO MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE NA HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM MM-HMM
AND SUNDAY 7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM OKAY.
AND NO TEMPORARY BAND, UH, PENANCE.
THOSE LITTLE FLIPPITY FLOPPIES.
WELL, YOU GOT THAT TEMPORARY SIGNAGE.
SO IS MOTION BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER OSA? IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.
SO MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER OSA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PANA WITH CONDITIONS OF CDNA, POWERS OF OPERATION, DOWNWARD FACING LIGHT.
AND NO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE DISCUSSIONS.
YEAH, JUST, UH, UM, I APPRECIATE STAFF HELPING WITH THE, THE ORIENTATION AND, AND, AND SHOWING THE SATELLITE IMAGES ONLY BECAUSE, UM, WHEN I FIRST WAS LOOKING AT THE CASE AND, AND LOOKED AT THE MAP, MY FIRST THOUGHT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT RESIDENTIAL, ALMOST ENCOMPASSING IT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, THE I ONE TO THE WEST, MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS, OH NO, THIS IS, THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A COMMERCIAL ISLAND SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.
UH, BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ABLE TO TRY TO VISUALIZE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ACTUALLY THE CONDITIONS ON THE GROUND.
BECAUSE THEN WHEN I WENT ON GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND DROVE THE LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, GOOGLE CAR, UH, DOWN GIVERS, YOU KNOW, I SAW THAT ACTUALLY WITH THAT I ONE AND THEN C TWO SOUTH OF IT, THEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF COMMERCIAL, UH, FURTHER DOWN, UM, THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT AN ISLAND.
IT WAS ACTUALLY CONTIGUOUS WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO THAT JUST FOR ME SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING ABLE TO SEE ACTUALLY WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.
UM, I THINK IT, IT MOST LIKELY IS THE CASE THAT THE CITY'S NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT DETENTION FACILITY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S WORKING TO BE REDEVELOPED.
UM, WHICH MAKES IN, IN MY MIND THIS A, UH, AN APPROPRIATE USE, UM, FOR, FOR THIS LOT.
UM, ESPECIALLY TO TURN IT FROM SOMETHING VACANT AND TO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANYBODY ELSE ON MY LEFT? OKAY.
THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PENA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER PANA IS FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER 10.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? YES.
MY NAME IS SAMANTHA BEDA, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM 13 IS LOCATED AT 2 45 AND 2 57 WEST JOSEPHINE STREET.
GOING FROM IDZ THREE HIGH INTENSITY INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE DISTRICT WITH USES PERMITTED FOR C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT 900 DWELLING UNITS, BAR TAB AND BAR AND TAVERN TO C TWO CD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TAXI SERVICE, PARKING AND DISPATCH.
NO WASHING OR MECHANICAL SERVICES PERMITTED WITH ALL OVERLY STAYING THE SAME.
THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED.
TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS DISTRICT ONE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION GAVE NO RESPONSE.
THE EXISTING IDZ THREE DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA.
THE PROPOSED C TWO CD DISTRICT IS NOT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT WOULD PERMIT THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARKING LOT AND CHARGING STATION FOR AN AUTONOMOUS TAXI SERVICE.
A USE THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE AREA'S EVOLVING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, THE SURROUNDING AREA HAS EXPERIENCED INCREASED RES RESIDENTIAL GROWTH AND COMMUNITY SERVING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN BY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MIDTOWN AREA REGIONAL CENTER PLAN, WHICH PROMOTES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
WHILE THE INTEN INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED USE COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WITH C3 ZONING UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION, IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OR THE VISION AND RECOMMENDATIONS
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OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.FURTHERMORE, APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WOULD ELIMINATE THE EXISTING IDZ THREE ZONING DESIGNATION, THEREBY REDUCING THE SITE'S POTENTIAL TO SUPPORT FUTURE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE LONG-TERM PLANNING GOALS FOR THE AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, MR. CHRISTENSEN, COME ON UP.
PLEASE CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND THE ADDRESS YOU SHOW.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 15 EAST COMMERCE.
UM, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING AND I'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN TALKING WITH STAFF.
SO, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE TODAY IS A TESLA ROBO TAXII CHARGING STATION.
SO BASICALLY IT WILL LOOK AND I'LL GET TO THE SITE PLAN IN A MINUTE.
IT'LL BASICALLY LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER PARKING LOT EXCEPT EACH SPACE WILL HAVE A CHARGER PLUG THAT YOU CAN PLUG A TESLA IN TO BE CHARGED.
UM, IN TALKING WITH STAFF, IF I HAVE A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT AND I WANT TO ADD CHARGING STATIONS, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANYTHING SPECIAL.
WITH ZONING, YOU CAN APPLY AS MANY CHARGING STATIONS AS YOU WANT.
BUT SINCE THIS IS A TAXI STATION AND WILL BE USED BY TESLA ONLY, SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO GO CHARGE AN ELECTRIC CAR THERE.
STAFF HAVE DECIDED THIS REQUIRES SPECIAL ZONING FOR TAXI.
BASICALLY A TAXI DEPOT WE'RE NOT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN MY SITE PLAN, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU HERE IN A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LOUIS DE PALMER FIGHTING WITH LATKA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A PARKING LOT WITH SOME CHARGING STATIONS.
AND IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY, DO WE HAVE THE POINTER, THE POINT, UM, THIS, SORRY.
THIS PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY AND ALL THIS ACROSS THE STREET AND SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE OFF THE ELEVATION, THEY WERE APPROVED FOR UM, 900 APARTMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THE EXCITING STUFF WE ALL WANT TO SEE GROUND FLOOR, COMMERCIAL INTERIOR PARKING GARAGES.
WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, OKAY, WE CAN GO BACK TO
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER THEY GOT ALL THAT APPROVED IN 23, THE INTEREST RATES SKYROCKETED, CONSTRUCTION COSTS WENT UP AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT OFF THE GROUND YET.
SO TESLA HAS COME IN AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO JUST SIGN A LEASE.
NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THE BIG APARTMENT PROJECT AND, AND EVERYTHING WE GOT APPROVED OVER HERE YET.
BUT THEY WOULD, TESLA WOULD LIKE, LIKE I SAID, JUST TO LEASE THIS PIECE FOR NOW, THIS STAYS THE SAME.
UM, THE OTHER YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN PLEASE.
THE OTHER KIND OF FRUSTRATING PART ON THIS IS, UM, HYPOTHETICALLY IF THE, THE ZONING WAS APPROVED INCLUDES C TWO USES.
SO I COULD BASICALLY COME IN WITH A PARKING LOT TO DO A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, AMEND MY SITE PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN SIZE, WHICH IS ALLOWED WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE ZONING COMMISSION AND PUT CHARGERS ON EVERY PARKING SPACE.
BUT I WOULD JUST HAVE TO KEEP IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
IT WOULD NOT BE PRIVATE FOR TESLA.
I COULD DO THAT TODAY WITH THE ZONING I HAVE.
SO IT'S JUST ASKING FOR THE FACT THAT THIS BE EXCLUSIVE TO TESLA.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PLA THE PROPERTY.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO ENTRANCES RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE.
THIS, THIS RIGHT HERE WILL BE A BASICALLY LIKE A CONTAINER OFFICE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE PEOPLE ON SITE TO PLUG THE CARS IN.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT ONE REASONS WHY TESLA CHOSE THIS SITE IS BECAUSE IT HAS SUFFICIENT POWER.
THEY CAN'T JUST PUT THESE THINGS ANYWHERE.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE RIGHT POWER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PLUG INTO, TO CHARGE UP THE CARS.
AND YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY THE CARS WILL BE CHARGING AT NIGHT BECAUSE DURING THE DAY THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO USE THE CARS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'LL BE ALL AROUND AND THEY WANNA BE AS CLOSE TO THE PEARL AND DOWNTOWN IS THEY CAN BE.
THAT'S THE OTHER REASON WHY THEY PICK THIS SITE.
SO WHEN I FIRST STARTED TALKING TO TESLA, YOU KNOW THEY HAVE THESE ROBAX IN AUSTIN AND I HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO JUST GRADUATED FROM UP THERE AND I ASKED HER, HEY, DO YOU, HAVE YOU USED THESE? DO YOU LIKE THEM? SHE SAID, YES, ME AND MOM, MY GIRLFRIENDS LOVE THESE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE OUT ON A FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING INTO A CAB OR AN UBER WITH A CREEPY DRIVER.
YOU JUST ORDER, ORDER THE CAB ON YOUR PHONE, YOU PAY ON YOUR PHONE, THEY PICK IT PICKS YOU UP, YOU HOP IN, YOU GET OUT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE TODAY.
I MEAN TRAFFIC IMPACT, I THINK IT'S LESS THAN THE, THE FIVE STORY BUILDING WE GOT APPROVED FOR THE SITE, AT LEAST THIS CORNER OF IT.
UM, YES, THERE'LL BE CARS COMING AND GOING.
UH, AND I'LL JUST MENTION WE ARE NEXT DOOR TO A SCHOOL.
BUT IN TALKING WITH TESLA, THESE CARS CAN BE PROGRAMMED, THEY CAN PROGRAM THEM NEVER TO CROSS IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.
NOW IT'S HAWTHORNE ELEMENTARY, THEIR PRIMARY PICK AND DROP OFF FOR PARENTS IS IN THE BACK IN THE FRONT.
THEY DO HAVE A FEW SCHOOL BUSES THAT COME AND GO.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE CAN PROGRAM THE CARS TO NEVER GO IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL ON JOSEPHINE STREET.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE AN ORDER YOU'RE GIVING TO A CAB DRIVER.
THIS IS THE PROGRAMMING OF THE CAR.
SO IT WILL NEVER VIOLATE THAT ORDER.
SO I'M ASKING FOR THE C TWO CD FOR THE TAXI SERVICE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
UH, STAFF, DO WE MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
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DISTRICT THREE CASE.SO WE WILL GET THE COMMISSIONER KELM TO START WITH QUESTIONING.
UH, JUST SORRY, A FEW ACTION ONE.
MR. CHRISTENSEN, DID YOU GET OUT AND SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORS? I DID TRY TO BLOCK WALK BEHIND.
THEY WERE NOT THERE SUNDAY AFTERNOON.
I'M GONNA KEEP TRYING BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL, I'M THINKING THEY MIGHT LIKE THE FACT THAT WHAT WE GOING TO BASICALLY A ONE STORY VERSUS FIVE.
UM, AND YOU CAN'T ASK FOR A MORE QUIET USE.
I MEAN LITERALLY IT'S JUST ELECTRIC CARS COMING AND GOING AND PLUGGING IN.
SO I'M GONNA KEEP TRYING ON THAT.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY SPACES ARE AVAILABLE? IT'LL BE 56 SPACES.
CHAD, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR OUR COMMISSIONERS LOOKING LEFT, COMMISSIONER? YES.
SO STAFF MENTIONED THIS IS NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE REGIONAL PLAN AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THIS AREA, TOBIN HILL, NOT TOBIN HILL, SORRY, LIKE PEARL AREA, JOSEPHINE STREET ABOUT INCREASED DENSITY.
UM, AND IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT REDUCING PARKING BECAUSE IT'S TRYING TO BE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU SEE A PARKING LOT IN LIKE A VERY MOTOR LIKE AUTO FOCUSED USE COMPLYING WITH THE MIXED USE PLAN OR THE REGIONAL PLAN FOR THAT AREA AND THE LIKE STATED INTENTION TO BE MORE WALKABLE FOR THAT AREA.
WELL, WE STILL NEED TO GET A CAB TO GET TO THE AIRPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, MAYBE YOU DON'T OWN A CAR AND YOU NEED TO TAKE, GET SOME WAY TO GET TO A GROCERY STORE TO COSTCO TO GET GROCERIES.
YOU MIGHT TAKE AN UBER, YOU MIGHT TAKE A ROBO TAXI OR A WAYMO.
I HAVE CLIENTS FROM OTHER STATES WHO ARE LIKE, WHY DO WE EVEN NEED PARKING SPACES? BUT THE REALITY IS YOU CAN'T RENT AN APARTMENT WITHOUT A PARKING SPACE TO PARK YOUR CAR.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A CAR, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY SMALL AND YOU STILL NEED A CAR.
I, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY CONTRARY TO THE PLAN.
I MEAN, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ENCOURAGING GREEN USES GREEN THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THESE ARE ELECTRIC CARS AND THEY'RE ELECTRIC CABS.
SO I MEAN I THINK THEY SERVE THAT PURPOSE.
ALRIGHT STAFF, DID I MISS PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, THERE'S JUST NONE.
ANYBODY ELSE? OH, COMMISSIONER DAL, UH, TO STAFF.
UH, IF, UM, PUT ASIDE TAXIS, IF A, UH, LANDOWNER WANTED TO DEVELOP A PRIVATE PARKING LOT, UM, FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES OR FOR A PRIVATE CLUB OR JUST TO, YOU KNOW, PARK THEIR OWN VEHICLES, UH, NOT LONG-TERM STORAGE BUT JUST TO PARK, UM, WHAT, UH, ON WHAT KIND OF ZONES WOULD THAT BE ALLOWED? SO PARKING LOT, NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN A C TWO, WHICH COULD BE PERMITTED RIGHT NOW WITH THE IDZ ZONING.
'CAUSE IT DOES ALLOW C TWO USES.
AND THEN SO WHAT, WHAT MAKES A, UH, TAXI AND I'M SORRY, THE PROPOSED ZONING IS WHAT AGAIN? TAXI C TWO CD, I'M SORRY.
C TWO CD FOR THE TAXI SERVICE.
AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION AND THE CODE FOR THE TAXI SERVICE? IS IT, IS IT FOCUSED ON THE MAINTENANCE OR ON THE LONG-TERM STORAGE? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE POINT OF THAT ZONING HOLD PLEASE.
WHILE SHE'S LOOKING UP THE DEFINITION, I WILL CLARIFY THAT IT IS NO WASHING OR MECHANICAL SERVICES PERMITTED ATTACHED TO THIS, THAT NONE WOULD BE ALLOWED AS FAR AS MECHANICAL SERVICES.
LONG-TERM STORAGE, I GUESS SHE'LL LOOK UP IN THE DEFINITION.
YEAH, I'M, I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, TRYING TO INTUIT THE PURPOSE FOR THAT ORIGINAL TAXI ZONING, IF, UM, MAINTENANCE AND WASHING ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT USE, TYPICALLY WHEN IT'S NOT OTHERWISE EXCLUDED OR SO WE DON'T USE THAT.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION IN OUR UDC ON TAXI, BUT AGAIN, THE, WE HAVE SEPARATE USES A TAXI SERVICE, NO WASHING OR MECHANICAL SERVICES PERMITTED VERSUS TAXI SERVICE WITH WASHING AND MECHANICAL SERVICES.
IT WOULD BE A HIGHER INTENSE USE, BUT THEY'RE SHOOTING FOR THE NO WASHING AND MECHANICAL SERVICES.
YEAH, I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO, I MEAN I HAVEN'T RIDDEN IN A TAXI IN SUCH A LONG TIME THAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT, I MEAN IS THAT LIKE A, A TAXI STALL, LIKE A LIKE A BOOTH? SO BASICALLY, YEAH, THE VEHICLES WOULD GO BACK TO THIS LOCATION PARK THERE BE CHARGED, UM, AND THEN ONCE SOMEBODY CONTACTS THEM OR PUTS IN THE APP TO PICK THEM UP.
I DIDN'T MEAN TESLA, I MEANT WHEN THAT SECTION OF THE CODE WAS ENVISIONED FOR TAXI SERVICES THAT WASN'T ENVISIONED WITH ROBO TAXIS IN MIND, THAT WAS OLD SCHOOL TAXIS.
SO, SO GENERALLY, GENERALLY I THINK WHEN THE CODE WAS WRITTEN, A TAXI DISPATCH SERVICE WOULD INCLUDE AN OFFICE WHERE TAXIS COULD BE
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DISPATCHED.SO YOU HAVE SOMEONE TAKING PHONE CALLS AND DISPATCHING TAXIS TO VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
SOME OF THEM, AS IS DIFFERENTIATED IN THE USE MATRIX, HAVE ONSITE MECHANICAL OIL CHANGES TO THINGS TO KEEP THE TAXIS RUNNING, TO KEEP 'EM CLEANED.
THE FLAVOR OF TAXI DISPATCH THAT'S BEING REQUESTED HERE DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT SORT OF VEHICLE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE EVS DON'T HAVE OIL CHANGES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
SO I BELIEVE I HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY THERE WILL BE A STAFF MEMBER ON SITE TO HELP PLUG IN THE VEHICLES TO GET THEM CHARGED.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENTIATIONS IS THE PRESENCE OF STAFF TO TEND TO THE VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF JUST A PARKING LOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TO PARK YOUR CAR FOR A COUPLE HOURS.
AND I MEAN, I SUPPOSE THE OTHER DIFFERENCE, RIGHT, WITH THE OLD DEFINITION, THE OLD WAY OF DOING IT IS ALL THOSE TAXI DRIVERS HAD TO BE SOMEWHERE, UM, WITH THE OLD WAY OF DOING IT IS IF YOU HAD A PLACE WHERE THE TAXI DRIVERS ARE WAITING FOR DISPATCH.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE.
UM, PUBLIC TRANSIT, UM, WHEN CONSIDERING CONSISTENCY WITH THE DISTRICT, THIS IS A DISTRICT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PUBLIC TRANSIT, TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO BE DRIVING THEIR CARS.
UM, DOES, UM, RIGHT NOW, IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, UH, DO, HOW DO WE COMPARE, UH, TAXIS WITH PEOPLE TAKING RIDE, SHARING WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH VIA OR SOMETHING? ARE, ARE THOSE CONSIDERED BY STAFF TO BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS OR IS THERE A A A WAY IN WHICH, UH, DRIVERLESS TAXIS CAN SERVE A FUNCTION LIKE PUBLIC TRANSIT? I MEAN, AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A CAR ON THE ROAD IS A CAR ON THE ROAD, WHETHER IT'S DRIVEN BY ITS OWNER OR IT'S OWNED BY WAYMO WITH SOMEONE IN THE BACKSEAT.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITY'S OVERARCHING PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WAYMO'S ARE AN ALTERNATIVE TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
SO LIKE, UH, A VIA VAN WOULD, SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY AS A PRIVATE VEHICLE.
IT OCCUPIES AS MUCH SPACE ON THE ROAD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE, THE CITY SPENDS A LOT ON, I MEAN, BUT NOT WITH BUSES THOUGH.
BUSES WE'D SAY ARE DIFFERENT THAN CARS.
I, I WOULD AGREE A BUS CAN CARRY MANY MORE PEOPLE THAN A PASSENGER VEHICLE.
ALSO TO ADD TO THE GENERAL CONVERSATION, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS AN ENTIRE CHAPTER THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE UDC THAT DEALS WITH VEHICLES FOR HIRE.
SO EQUINE, YOU KNOW, THE HORSE CARRIAGES, LIMOUSINE SERVICES, TAXI CABS, ALL OF THAT IS IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHAPTER OUTSIDE OF THE UDC AND THERE'S REGULATIONS DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, THE, THE VIA VANS ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
THEY'RE NOT TREATED AS A PRIVATE RIDE SHARING, IT'S PUBLIC RIDE SHARING.
HE NEEDED COMMISSIONER OF MY LEFT.
UH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS YOU MENTIONED, UM, IT BEING BASICALLY QUIET CHARGING.
SO THERE'S NO DIESEL GENERATORS OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT? NO, THERE'S NOT.
IT'S COMPLETELY TIED TO CITY PUBLIC SERVICE.
AND UH, THE SECOND ONE,
IT WAS TEXAS NEON SIGN COMPANY? I THINK IT WAS.
AM I RIGHT BY THE OTHER LEFT? OKAY, COMMISSIONER, UH, PATRICK, IF YOU WANNA YEAH, QUICK QUESTION.
WERE YOU, DID YOU GUYS COMMUNICATE WITH S-E-I-S-D SINCE IT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT, I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF BEEN SUMMER.
THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF IN AND OUT.
I WAS GONNA TRY OVER THE HOLIDAY, BUT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD THING.
UM, YOU SAID, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I STILL GOT A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
YOU SAID THE CARS ARE PROGRAMMED TO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET ON JOSEPHINE STREET, IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? THEY CAN BE PROGRAMMED NOT TO CROSS IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.
AND IF THEY'RE PROGRAMMED, THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GONNA OBEY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
EXCLUDING THE 1983 VERSION OF TERMINATOR, SKYNET AND ALL THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING WOULD BE, UM, IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM OR WARNING? 'CAUSE MY FIRST THING AS AN, AS AN EDUCATOR RIGHT, IS, IS YOU'RE RUNNING NEXT TO A SCHOOL AND I HAVE SEEN WHERE CARS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, CATCH FIRE 'CAUSE OF THE BATTERY AND ALL THAT.
IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN, NUMBER ONE, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A SCHOOL.
BUT IS THERE GONNA BE SOME KINDA ALARM SYSTEM? WELL, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE STAFF ON SITE.
YOU SAID THE, I'M SORRY, I FORGOT ABOUT THE STAFF ON
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SITE.AND IS THAT STAFF MEMBER GONNA BE THERE 24 7 OR? YES.
'CAUSE THE CARS CAN'T PLUG IN BY THEMSELVES, SO SOMEBODY'S OH, OKAY.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS IF THERE IS A SCHOOL EMERGENCY, 'CAUSE WE LIVE UNFORTUNATELY IN A DAY OF AGE, IF SOME THINGS HAPPEN SOMETIMES, AND I KNOW S SA S SAIS D POLICE OR OR SAPD WILL, WILL MAKE THE CALL AND THEY'LL PROBABLY CLOSE THE STREET.
IS THE ENTRANCE FOR THIS ONLY ON JOSEPHINE? IT'S ONLY ON JOSEPHINE.
SO IF THE CITY WERE TO CLO, THE SAPD WERE TO CLOSE THE STREETS, THE CARS WOULD JUST HAVE TO SIT THERE AND WAIT.
AND THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE LIKE A, UH, THE CARS JUST, I MEAN, I GUESS IF SOMEONE'S THERE, THE CARS JUST STOP AND JUST BACK UP.
WHICH COULD CAUSE I MEAN, YEAH, SOMEBODY COULD PARK IN FRONT OF AND BLOCK BOTH ENTRANCES AND THEY COULDN'T GET OUT OR COME OR, OR ANYTHING.
SO I WOULD LIKE, I MEAN THEY HAVE, THERE'S SUCH A BIG COMPANY, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THEY COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF NOT PANIC BUTTON, I'M USING THAT IN A WEIRD WAY.
BUT MAYBE THAT SITE PERSON, THAT STAFF MEMBER THERE, IF THEY KNEW THERE WAS SOME SITUATION GOING ON AT THE SCHOOL OR ANYWHERE NEARBY THAT THEY COULD LIKE PROGRAM SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, JUST STAY AWAY.
I MEAN QUARANTINE, UH, I CAN SPEAK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THEY'RE, AND IT'S, THEY CAN BE, THEY'RE ALWAYS CONNECTED TO THE, THE CENTRAL COMPUTER SYSTEM.
THEY CAN ALWAYS MAKE CHANGES TO ANYTHING.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY PARTS THAT I KIND OF SAW, BUT HOPEFULLY I THINK THEY CAN BE CORRECTED.
SORRY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT.
UM, I, I'LL PUT IN MY 2 CENTS REALLY QUICK AND, AND ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I'VE DRIVEN IN AN AUTOMATED TESLA AND I THINK THEY'RE QUITE ACCURATE.
THIS IS, SO IF I'M A TESLA OWNER, I CAN BRING MY CAR THERE.
IT'S STRICTLY FOR THE ROB ROBOTAXIS.
UH, THEY'RE CALLING THEMSELVES A TAXI.
ARE THEY GONNA FOLLOW CHAPTER 33? THAT'S WHAT REGULATES THE TAXIS WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I THINK THAT'S UP TO THE CITY.
HOWEVER, THE CITY, I, I KNOW THE CITY WAYMO'S ARE ALREADY HERE, SO I WOULD ASSUME IF THE CITY SAYS THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH SOME REGULATION ABOUT THE CARS, THEY WOULD'VE TO COMPLY.
WHAT'S WAYMO? IT'S A, A CURRENTLY EXISTING DRIVERLESS CAB THAT'S IN TOWN TODAY.
UH, THERE'S TWO OF 'EM, RIGHT? TWO VEHICLES? WELL, TWO VEHICLES, YES.
THEY HAVE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT, I KNOW THAT WAYMO HAS CARS, TESTING CARS.
THEY HAVE A, A WEIRD LITTLE JAGUAR CAR.
THEN THEY HAVE LIKE A LITTLE VAN THAT'S DRIVING AROUND, I GUESS FOR MORE PEOPLE.
I'VE SEEN THOSE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'D HAVE TO ASK TO SEE IF, UH, UH, IF THEY'RE REGULATED BY CHAPTER 33 BY GROUND TRANSPORTATION.
SO, UH, HOW MANY OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS OR TAXI CHARGING STATIONS E IN THE STATE OF TEXAS CURRENTLY? WELL, THEY, I KNOW THAT I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR TESLA.
UM, THEY DO HAVE STATIONS IN AUSTIN.
THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY, BUT THEY ARE, THEY ARE DOING THE SAME PROCESS IN HOUSTON AND DALLAS.
UM, I BELIEVE WHEN I TALKED TO THEM THIS WEEK, THEY TOLD ME THEY ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE IN AUSTIN.
THERE'S REALLY JUST TO CHARGE THE CARS.
IF THEY JUST WANNA PARK THE CARS SOMEWHERE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THE ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF, UH, VEHICLES, UH, IN THIS OPERATION IS THEY DON'T KNOW FOR SURE HOW MANY THEY'RE GONNA EVENTUALLY HAVE IN SAN ANTONIO.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY CUSTOMERS THEY HAVE.
THEY, I HAVE SUBMITTED ANOTHER APPLICATION FOR A SITE IN DISTRICT NINE, UM, OFF HIGHWAY 2 81, CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT AS THE CROW FLIES.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE ONLY ACTIVE LOCATIONS ARE LOOKING FOR ARE SOMEWHERE NEAR DOWNTOWN IN THE PEARL THIS SPOT AND THE ONE UP IN DISTRICT NINE BY THE AIRPORT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CHRISTENSEN ON MY LEFT? NOPE.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED SINCE THIS IS A DISTRICT ONE CASE.
I RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER KELLUM FOR DISCUSSION AND A POSSIBLE MOTION.
UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, QUITE FRANKLY WITH, WITH THIS WAS THE TRAFFIC.
AND SO THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN PROGRAM THAT AND, AND MITIGATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL, IF NOT ALLEVIATE IT ALTOGETHER, I THINK IS GOOD.
UM, I DO THINK, I THINK THE POINT ABOUT THE WALKABLE CITY IS A REALLY GREAT POINT.
HOWEVER, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO THAT AS OPPOSED TO CONTRADICTORY TO THAT.
I DO THINK THAT IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO BE ABSOLUTE IN TERMS OF THE WALKABILITY OF THIS CITY.
IT'S MY OWN PERSONAL HUMBLE OPINION.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IT'S A BIT OF A TECHNICALITY IN THE SENSE THAT IF YOU OWN IT, YOU COULD DO IT, BUT IF YOU ARE, YOU'RE UH, LEASING IT, IT UM, CREATES A WHOLE DIFFERENT LAYER OF OBSTACLES.
AND SO WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER, UH, KELLUM AND SECONDED BY
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COMMISSIONER OSA DISCUSSIONS TO MY LEFT COMMISSIONER.UM, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND RESPECT THE MOTION AND I AM GONNA RESPECTFULLY, UH, GO AGAINST IT.
I
SO MANY TIMES WE'VE SEEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE APPROVED SO MANY THINGS THAT WE'VE ACTIVELY GIVEN MORE DENSITY AND WE'VE GIVEN MORE FLEXIBILITY TO HIGHER DENSITY AND IN EXCHANGE FOR NO PARKING, BECAUSE WE'VE SAID THAT THIS AREA IS MEANT TO BE WALKABLE AND DENSE AND ALL THESE THINGS.
I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGING NATURE OF THIS AREA.
MARY'S STRIP, WE KNOW THE PEARL, WE KNOW EVERYTHING AROUND THIS HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT.
EVEN STRETCHING OVER TO THE EAST SIDE INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BROADWAY, EAST SA, BESA.
UM, TO ME IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS A BAD, BAD USE FOR THE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME APARTMENTS, WHICH I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAD SOME ISSUES AROUND, UM, THE COST, THE RISING COST.
BUT I DON'T SEE A GOOD REASON TO SUPPORT THIS.
IT SHOULD BE MOVING TOWARDS WALKABLE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED THESE IN OUR CITY.
THIS IS JUST MY PERSONAL STANCE OF LIKE, I'M AGAINST THE TESLA AUTO TAXI THINGS, WHATEVER, BUT I'M MORE THAN ANYTHING, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, UM, CONDUCIVE TO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON THIS COMMISSION WITH OTHER PROPERTIES VERY NEARBY, LIKE ONE OR TWO BLOCKS AWAY WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
SO I'M GONNA BE OPPOSING THE MOTION RESPECTFULLY.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
UM, WAIT, SOMEONE'S ALREADY SAID THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE, RIGHT?
PATRICK SAID IT WAS COMPLICATED.
UM, NO, I, BUT I, I AGREE BECAUSE, UM, I I AM TORN BETWEEN, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER LUMS AND COMMISSIONER LO'S, UH, COMMENTS.
UM, I KIND OF HAVE THE BENEFIT OF, UH, MY KIDS ACTUALLY ATTENDED THIS SCHOOL.
UM, AND SO, UH, CORRECT ALL THE, ALL THE TRAFFIC FOR, UH, DROP OFF AND PICK OFF PICKUP IS OFF OF ASHBY, WHICH IS IN THE BACK.
UM, SO THERE'S LIMITED TRAFFIC IN THE FRONT.
UM, SO THAT KIND OF, FOR ME HELPS WITH THE, UM, THE IMPACT TO THE, THE ADDITIONAL CARS THAT WOULD BE COMING UP AND DOWN.
UH, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT SWAYS ME IS THE, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER KELLUM SAID ABOUT IT BEING, YOU KNOW, COMPLIMENTARY, UM, TO THE, THE WALKABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THE, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE ONE OF THE PHOTOS THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY'RE THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WENT UP ON, ON ASHBY ORIGINALLY, THAT WAS, UM, UH, SELF-STORAGE UNITS.
AND SO THOSE WERE DEMOLISHED, UH, AND YOU UNITS THERE.
UM, AND THEN IT, IT SEEMED LIKE, UM, EVERY DAY WHEN I WAS PICKING UP THE KIDS, YOU'D SEE SOMETHING NEW POP UP AS, AS FAR AS, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO I KIND OF DO AGREE THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A, A LITTLE BIT OF A SETBACK.
I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, FINANCIAL ISSUES WITH IT.
UM, BUT I, I, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S WILL HOPEFULLY JUST BE A TEMPORARY SETBACK.
UM, AND CONSIDERING WHAT WE HAD BEFORE THE REZONING, UM, THE OPTIONS THAT WERE AVAILABLE FOR THE SITE, UH, BEFORE THEY TORE DOWN THE BUILDING, OF COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS WHAT THE DREAM WHEN WE REZONED IT THE LAST TIME, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE REZONING, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
SO I, I THINK AS A CITY WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE A DEEPER, MORE ABSTRACT, NOT ABOUT ONE INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, BUT A DEEPER CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, THE ROLE THAT THESE AUTONOMOUS TAXIS ARE GONNA PLAY WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, I THINK THE, THE UDC UH, UPDATE IS GONNA BE THE, THE TIME AND PLACE TO, TO DO THAT AND TO COME TO TERMS WITH HOW WE WANNA DEAL, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, THESE KIND OF PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT JUST IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, UH, AT LEAST MY 2 CENTS IS THAT THESE, UH, ROBOTAXIS ARE GONNA BE GAME CHANGING IN REDUCING THE NUMBER OF
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VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED ON OUR ROADS.UH, WHEN I GO DOWN TO THE PEARL, COINCIDENTALLY, MY WIFE, LIKE THIS MORNING, ASKED ME TO TAKE HER ON A DATE.
ONCE, UH, GRANDMA GETS HOME TO WATCH THE KIDS TO TAKE HER TO THE PEARL, UH, RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA DRIVE MY CAR FROM MY HOUSE TO THE PEARL'S PARKING GARAGE, UH, WHERE WHEN THESE ROBOTAXIS ARE AVAILABLE, UH, I'M GONNA ORDER A ROBO TAXII AS WELL AS A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE ARE.
AND THAT'S A LOT LESS CARS ON THE ROAD.
THAT'S ONE ROBOTO TAXII INSTEAD OF EVERYONE TAKING THEIR INDIVIDUAL CARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE EXCITING THINGS ABOUT ROBOT, ROBOT TAXIS INTO THE FUTURE SAFETY FOR KIDS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO DRIVERS.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE MENTIONED, UH, YOUNG LADIES TRAVELING, BUT ALSO WITH KIDS, FANTASTIC.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRUST YOUR CHILD, YOUR CHILD WITH UH, UH, A RANDOM STRANGER.
UH, IT'S A LOT SAFER TO PUT 'EM IN WITH A ROBOT.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, ANY, YOU KNOW,
THE, THE RISKS ARE A LOT LOWER.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE I SEE IT POTENTIALLY THAT THE SCHOOL PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY FOLKS ARE SENDING THEIR KIDS FROM FURTHER AWAY ARE GONNA BE USING THE ROBOTAXIS TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNING, WHICH WOULD BE A FASCINATING POTENTIAL.
SO WE, WE DON'T, AS A CITY DISCOURAGE, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UM, I HAD, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF ABOUT THE VIA VANS RELATED TO THIS, THAT WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE THOSE USES.
WE CREATE TRANSIT CORRIDORS, WE ENCOURAGE DENSITY ALONG THESE TRANSIT CORRIDORS.
THIS IS GONNA SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS TO MY RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING DEMO MOTION.
UM, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT SPOT, UH, FOR THIS.
UM, THERE'S A, THIS IS A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC AREA FOR, UH, FOR THE PEARL.
I THINK, UH, APARTMENTS WOULD SUIT THIS PROPERTY BETTER THAN A PARKING LOT FOR TESLA.
COMMISSIONER PANA, DID YOU? SURE.
UM, I'M NOT ON THE TESLA BANDWAGON, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I'M, I'M NOT A FAN OF LEAVING LAND VACANT.
YEAH, I, I OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
UH, BUT IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT CASE.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE SCHOOL RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
SO I, WE DEFINITELY, I MEAN, I CAN'T WAIT FOR A LITTLE JOHN CONNOR TO BE AT THAT SCHOOL.
WELL, LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND SEEING THOSE CARS, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND OUT.
UH, BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TESLA COMMUNICATE WITH S-E-I-S-D, ESPECIALLY THE, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH HAWTHORNE, JUST TO KIND OF, JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS, AT LEAST THERE'S COMMUNICATION.
'CAUSE I, I SEE IN MY, THE ISSUES RISING, THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE BATTERIES ARE, THEY'RE SO, WELL, THEY'RE NOT EXPLOSIVE, BUT I MEAN, THERE COULD BE AN ISSUE, RIGHT? SO COMMUNICATION WITH S, EIS D JUST SO THEY CAN BE AWARE, UH, AND MAYBE HAVE SOME KIND OF, KIND OF PHONE CONTACT OR SOMETHING, UH, FOR THAT, THAT STAFF MEMBER.
UH, I HAVE THE LAST WORD ON THIS, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS.
I BELIEVE THE CITY'S UDC NEEDS TO BE UPDATED TO REFLECT CURRENT, UH, TECHNOLOGY, UH, CURRENT, UM, WAY THAT WE DEAL WITH THESE, UH, ROBOTAXIS.
I KNOW WE HAVE JUST THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS A TAXI, WHAT'S A TAXI STAND, UH, WHAT'S A TAXI STATION? I MEAN, THOSE ARE ALL, THEY, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT NOW THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I'M STILL THINKING WHEN I HEAR, HEAR ABOUT TAXI STAND OR A TAXI STATION, I'M THINKING OF THE, YOU KNOW, TV SERIES TAXI, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT IT.
SO AGAIN, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KELLUM.
IT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER OSA IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 13.
COMMISSIONER PETE RODRIGUEZ? NO.
OKAY, UH, STAFF, IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? UM, NO DIRECTOR'S REPORT, BUT WE DO NEED TO REVIEW MINUTES.
[Approval of Minutes ]
MINUTES FROM THE, AND THAT'S MY NEXT ITEM HERE.SEVEN CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM OUR SEVENTH JULY, 2026 MEETING.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES, AMENDMENTS OR COMMENTS TO THE MINUTES? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SIPES, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER WHITSETT.
AND WE'LL VOTE BY ACCLIMATION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM OUR SEVEN JULY, 2026
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MEETING, PLEASE SAY, AYE.THE MINUTES OF THE SEVENTH JULY, 2026 HEARING ARE APPROVED.
THE TIME IS NOW 2:11 PM THE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.