* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] OKAY, EVERYBODY, IT IS TWO O'CLOCK. LET'S CALL THE, UH, JULY 22ND, 2026. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. WOULD STAFF PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ZUKI. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER LOPEZ? HERE. COMMISSIONER COOPER? HERE. COMMISSIONER MILLER. COMMISSIONER WALLER. STU? HERE. COMMISSIONER BANTY. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? HERE. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? HERE. CHAIR PECK HERE. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE THE SPANISH ENGLISH INTERPRETER PLEASE? THANK YOU. [Plats  ] ALRIGHT. TODAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO AGENDAS. OUR FIRST AGENDA IS THE CONSENT HEARING AGENDA. CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CASES WHERE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY FURTHER DETAILED DISCUSSION AND NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. ALL CASES WILL BE READ INTO THE RECORD IN ONE MOTION. UM, IF SOMEONE ASSIGNED TO SPEAK TO ITEM WILL BE MOVED TO THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA. UM, NEXT AGENDA IS THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA. CASES ON INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA WILL BE HEARD SEPARATELY BEFORE ANY ACTION IS TAKEN BY THE COMMISSION. ALRIGHT. UM, SO I'M GONNA BREAK THE RULES A LITTLE BIT. UM, RIGHT NOW I HAVE ITEMS 15 AND 16 ON INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER BUS HAS TO RECUSE FROM ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. SO IT IS 2 0 2 AND HE IS LEAVING THE MEETING. UM, WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM 15 AND THAT PERSON IS, UH, CAN'T REALLY READ IT. BAREZ, RANDY? YES. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YES. OKAY. YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES CHAIR. I THOUGHT YOU HAD JUST MOVED THAT TO INDIVIDUAL. NO, I LEFT IT ON CON YOU SAID 15 AND 16 FOR INDIVIDUALS. OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY, SO JUST 16. 16. WE'RE GONNA LEAVE 15 ON CONSENT. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. I APOLOGIZE. RANDY LEE BARNES, SENIOR 1 0 6, SATELLITE TERRACE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M 68 YEARS OLD. I INHERITED THE HOUSE THAT I'M LIVING IN. THE LAND THAT THAT HOUSE SITS ON WAS, WAS FARMLAND AND IT WAS BOUGHT BY THE US MILITARY BACK IN 1956. AND ALL THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT IN THAT SUBDIVISION MORNING PARK SUBDIVISION WERE BUILT FOR THE EIGHTH AIR FORCE AND THOSE ARMY VETERANS WHO WERE RETURNING FROM EUROPE AFTER KOREAN WAR. I'VE JUST FOUND OUT THAT YOUR STAFF, THAT THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE BECAUSE NEEDLESS TO SAY, YOUR, YOU, YOUR CITY, DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE GROUND. THE PLUMBING IN THE GROUND CITY, PUBLIC SERVICE, ALL OF 'EM HAVE FIGHT. I'M ALL FOR IT. BUT I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE ONLY TWO INDIVIDUALS, OUR ORIGINAL, OUR ORIGINAL FAMILIES WERE OWNERS AND ALL 'EM, THE REST OF 'EM KNEW AND WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT MAIL PACKET THAT YOU SENT OUT. SO I WAS ASKED TO COME DOWN HERE AND ASK TO GIVE US SOMETHING THAT'S COMMON SENSE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY'RE NOT SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS GOING, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? ARE YOU DESTROYING OUR HOUSES? OR WHAT'S GOING ON? I KNOW YOU GOT I 35 BEING BUILT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S IT. I MEAN, I LIVED, I LIVED IN A HOUSE THAT I INHERITED ORIGINALLY WAS PURCHASED FOR $9,500 FROM THE US GOVERNMENT AND NOW IT'S RANGE AT $175,000. BUT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE EITHER. BUT I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE FINALLY PUTTING THESE PROPERTIES ON THE MAP. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LIKE I SAID, YOU SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SEND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYBODY AN UPDATED VERSION OF WHAT THIS THING IS ACTUALLY ABOUT AND THE COMMON SENSE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND IF YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT, YOU CAN TALK TO STAFF. YEAH, BECAUSE I SERVED OVER IN THE WAR FROM 2005 TO 2011 AND I CAME BACK BANGED UP AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE HOUSE I'VE LIVED IN. THAT'S THE HOUSE I'M GONNA DIE IN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. UM, I HAVE ONE MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THAT IS, EXCUSE ME WHILE I FIND IT ON ITEM NUMBER 11. UM, THE ACTUAL AGENDA SAYS, UM, TO ESTABLISH VETTE PLACE SUBDIVISION, UH, GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHEAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF WEST VETTE BOULEVARD. AND IT SAYS STRETCH ROACH AND STRETCH IS MISSPELLED. IT SHOULD BE [00:05:01] STRETCH WITH A T AND INSTEAD OF ROACH IT SHOULD BE ROAD. JUST TO CLARIFY THE AGENDA. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PROFIT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SECOND WAS. I THINK I HEARD COMMISSIONER MILLER FIRST. UM, WE WILL, UH, STAFF PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE COMMISSIONER PROFIT. YES. COMMISSIONER MILLER? YES. COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YES. COMMISSIONER LOPEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER COOPER? YES. COMMISSIONER WALLER? YES. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. COMMISSIONER, UH, SORRY. CHAIR PECK? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. GREAT, THANK YOU. SOMEBODY LET COMMISSIONER BUSANTE KNOW THAT HE CAN REENTER THE MEETING? ALL RIGHT. IT IS 2 0 6 AND COMMISSIONER BUSANTE HAS REENTERED THE MEETING [Comprehensive Master Plan Amendments  ] AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16. JUST A QUICK, UH, QUES UH, REQUEST. UM, CAN WE CALL OUT THE ITEM 13 IS WITHDRAWN AND ITEM 14 IS POSTPONED, SO WE HAVE THAT IN RECORD. SURE THING. UH, RELATED TO THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA WE JUST DID, ITEM NUMBER 13 WAS WITHDRAWN NOT ON THIS AGENDA. AND ITEM NUMBER 14 HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO AUGUST THE 12TH. YES. WE WILL BE SENDING NEW LETTERS AND ALL THAT JAZZ FOR THE POSTPONED ITEM. THANK YOU. GREAT, THANK YOU. ITEM 16. HELLO EVERYBODY. UM, ITEM 16. UH, MY NAME IS KELLY SANDERS, PLANNING MANAGER. UM, ITEM 16 IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL FROM A RES RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE SOUTHEAST COMMUNITY AREA PLAN FROM URBAN LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO REGIONAL MIXED USE. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 3,100 BLOCK OF SOUTH BEAVER'S STREET. THERE WERE 42 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED WITHIN 200 FEET, AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE HIGHLAND PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLAN AMENDMENT TO REGIONAL MIXED USE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO C3 NACD, GENERAL COMMERCIAL NON-ALCOHOLIC SALES, UH, DISTRICT WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR SCREENING REQUIRED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THE PROPERTIES, UH, CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION OF URBAN LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LAND USE AMENDMENT TO FACILITATE THAT C3 NA, UH, BASE ZONING DISTRICT, WHILE LIMITING THE INDUSTRIAL USE OF THE CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR THROUGH A CONDITIONAL ZONING. ALTHOUGH INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS EXIST NEARBY ACROSS THE STREET, THEY ARE CONCENTRATED ALONG SOUTH AVER STREET AND REPRESENT A GREATER INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAN THAT ENVISIONED UNDER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION APPLICABLE TO THOSE AREAS. FURTHERMORE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD EXTEND BEYOND THE ESTABLISHED SOUTH GEVER STREET COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND INTO THE INTERIOR OF THE BLOCK WHERE THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN REMAINS PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL. AS A RESULT, THE REQUEST IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE OR EXISTING LAND USE PATTERN OR THE INTENT OF MAINTAINING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ALONG THE ESTABLISHED CORRIDOR. STAFF DOES RECOMMEND DENIAL. IT DID GO TO ZONING COMMISSION YESTERDAY WHERE THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THE AMENDED C3 NA CD FOR A CON CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTOR. AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? YES, I'D, MY NAME IS ARIE RAMIREZ AND, UH, ME AND MY FAMILY OWNED INFINITY REAL PROPERTIES, WHICH IS THE LAND, UH, WE SAW HERE. AND WE'RE, UM, PLANNING TO DEVELOP, UH, OFFICE WAREHOUSE, FLEX SPACE. SO IT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT NEW WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, A LITTLE WAREHOUSE WHERE MAYBE A PLUMBER COMES IN, PARKS HIS VAN, HIS EQUIPMENT INSIDE, AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OFFICE TO DO INVOICING AND WORK. UM, SO THIS IS, UM, UH, SOMETHING THAT IF SOMEBODY'S WORKING IN A GARAGE, THEY HAVE A MORE PROFESSIONAL SETTING TO WORK ON, UH, INSTEAD OF A BIG, BIG WAREHOUSE. SO IT'S SMALL UNITS. UM, MAYBE WE CAN SHOW THE RENDERINGS TO SHOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT. UH, ANYWAY, IN THE MEANTIME I CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE IT'S LOCATED. SO SOUTH FROM WHERE THE LOT IS, UH, THERE'S A DRY POND OR A RAIN WATER, UH, RETENTION POND. SO, UM, ON THE FRONT THERE'S A RESTAURANT. THEN, UH, FURTHER SOUTH THERE IS, UH, OFFICES AND [00:10:01] COMMERCIAL. UH, REALLY THE ONLY, UH, NEIGHBOR IS ON THE BACK OF IT ON THIS SIDE FROM THIS, UM, LOT. AND WE'RE ABOUT 30, 40 FEET AWAY FROM FROM HIM FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. AND THIS IS, UH, THE RENDERING. SO IF YOU SEE THAT'S ONE UNIT WHERE YOU HAVE, WHERE THE GLASS IS, IT'S A SMALL OFFICE AND THEN A BATHROOM BEHIND. AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE A DOOR PER UNIT WHERE AGAIN, SOMEBODY LIKE AN ELECTRICIAN, A PLUMBER, CONTRACTOR, UH, WILL GO IN, PARK, HIS, UH, EQUIPMENT, UH, MAYBE LEAVE FOR THE DAY, DO THEIR SERVICE CALLS, COME BACK AND UH, DO SOME INVOICING AND THEN LEAVE HOME. UM, WE ARE PLANNING, UM, A GATE, I'M SORRY, UH, FENCING ALONG, UH, THE SIDES. UM, AND THEN THERE IS AN ALLEY ON THIS SIDE. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT, UH, UH, NEXT ONE, UHHUH, UH, THAT, THAT'S BETTER ONE. YEAH, SO, SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 15 UNITS. ON THE LEFT YOU SEE VER STREET AND THEN ON THE SOUTH FROM THERE IS THE RETENTION POND. AND THEN NORTH YOU HAVE AN ALLEY STREET. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT THERE IS ONE RESIDENTIAL. UM, SO IF YOU WOULD GO ON THE STREET AND ON THE LEFT, ON THE FRONT WE HAVE A RESTAURANT, THEN FURTHER DOWN OFFICES, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW COMMERCIAL, UH, AREAS ON THAT AREA. AND THEN A, AGAIN, EVERYTHING SOUTH FROM HERE IS A BIG RETENTION POND. UM, SO IT'S FAR FROM, UH, RESIDENTIAL WHEN YOU'RE WALKING THERE. RIGHT. I KNOW IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT UH, MAYBE IF YOU DO THE GOOGLE EARTH, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND OR SEE THIS STREET A LITTLE BETTER, WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT? YEAH, SO ON THAT, ON THE FRONT THERE, JUST RIGHT ON ACROSS. THAT'S OKAY. BUT YEAH, THAT, THAT SHOWS, WELL, SO YOU SEE THE BIG AREA DOWN SOUTH, THAT'S REALLY THE ENTIRE RETENTION POND. IT'S LIKE A WHOLE, UM, WHOLE BIG AREA WITH, WITH NO RESIDENTIAL. THEN ACROSS THE STREET WHERE YOU SEE THE CARS, UH, THAT'S A RESTAURANT. THEN IF YOU MOVE IT DOWN SOUTH FROM THERE, UH, THAT IS OFFICES AND THEN IT KEEPS GOING COMMERCIAL, UH, SOUTH ON GIVERS FROM THERE. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, ON THE CONCEPT ON THE PROJECT? IS THAT YOUR, YOUR ENTIRE PRESENTATION? ARE YOU GOOD? UH, YES. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. WE'LL START ON THE LEFT WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, BUS MONTE HERE. NO QUESTIONS. UH, IS THAT RETENTION POND, IS THAT, IS THAT OWNED BY THE CITY? YES. SO THIS RETENTION POND HERE IS OWNED BY BY THE CITY? YES. AND ALSO THESE LOTS HERE, THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE RETENTION, BUT, BUT THERE, THERE'S NOTHING HERE. THEY'RE OWNED. THEY'RE PART OF THE, OF THE CITY RETENTION POND. AND ALL THIS STREET THAT IS UNDEVELOPED HERE, UH, WHICH IS COSGROVE IS ALSO OWNED FROM THE CITY. AND THAT STREET WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. IT'S NOT ON THE FIVE, 10 OR 15 YEAR PLAN. UH, THERE'S NO PLANS TO DEVELOP THAT STREET. SO REALLY THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS AREA. YEAH, THIS IS THE UNDEVELOPED STREET. THIS IS EMPTY. SO THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO HOUSES THAT, THAT ARE NEAR. BUT WE'RE BUILDING 30 FEET SETBACK HERE. PLUS HIS YARDS IS REALLY A LONG WAY FROM FROM THE HOUSE TOO, WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION WILL START. AND YOUR LOT HAS JUST BEEN A UNDEVELOPED LOT FOR YEAH, IT'S BEEN, UH, WE, I OWN THE FRONT OF IT, THE FIR UH, FIRST TWO PARCELS FOR, UH, ALMOST FOUR YEARS. AND THEN I JUST ACQUIRED THE BACK OF IT, BUT IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOREVER. SO THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, UH, TRASH BEING ACCUMULATED THERE. UH, MOSQUITOES, UH, THE WATER DOESN'T DRAIN WELL BECAUSE IT'S JUST UNDEVELOPED. SO A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS I SPOKE TO EVERY NEIGHBOR 200 FEET AROUND. UM, AND THEY WERE ALL HAPPY SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING THERE. 'CAUSE THERE'S, UH, PEOPLE LIVING THERE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF TENTS WITH PEOPLE LIVING THERE, SO IT'S A BIG MESS. UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY BEING AGAINST IT. UM, THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE IT. EVERYBODY COMES IN TRASH PUTS TRASH IN HERE, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD AT THE MOMENT. [00:15:01] IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL. YOU COULD HAVE BUILT HOUSES IN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S FRONT TWO PARCELS ARE MF 18, THESE TWO, AND THEN THESE, THESE FOUR ON THE BACK ARE R SIX. NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THE TIME. COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ, ARE YOU GOING TO, WILL YOU BE PROVIDING THE, UH, REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN THE REAR? UH, BUT IN THE, UH, NP EIGHT? UH, YES SIR. ON THE BACK HERE, WE, WE DO HAVE 30 FEET OF GREEN SPACE, UH, IN THIS AREA ON THE BACK. YES. SO CAN THAT REMAIN AS NATIVE AS POSSIBLE AS FAR AS NOT REMOVING ANY OF THE, THE TREES AND, AND USING THAT AS A NATIVE BUFFER? YES. WE ACTUALLY ALREADY PUT IN A PERMIT TO INSPECT ALL THE TREES THAT ARE THERE BEFORE WE START CLEANING. WE JUST WANT TO GET RID OF ALL THE TRASH. THERE'S A LOT OF ROOFING MATERIALS. THERE'S A, THERE'S JUST PEOPLE TRASHING THINGS IN THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF. BUT I THINK TOMORROW IS THE INSPECTION TO GO AND CHECK ALL THE TREES AND WE JUST WANNA START CLEANING, UH, ALL THE TRASH IN THERE. THANK YOU. SURE. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL. UM, I WAS ALSO GONNA ASK ABOUT THE, UM, TREE PRESERVATION. THIS, UM, COLLECTION OF PARCELS HAS BEEN, UM, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE ZONING COMMISSION TO BECOME A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INSTEAD OF A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY. IS THAT WHAT I SAW THE ZONING COMMISSION DID? YES. MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL YESTERDAY? CORRECT. AND SO ONCE THIS BECOMES A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEN WHEN IT GETS DEVELOPED, IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS? ANYTHING COMMERCIAL WISE? YES. OKAY. UM, OR I DON'T KNOW IF, THANK YOU. SO, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ASK IF YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS? YES. TO, TO ALL OF THEM, TO ALL OF THEM 200 FEET AROUND PERSONALLY, I WENT DOOR BY DOOR AND SHOWED THEM THE RENDERINGS AND TALKED TO EVERY ONE OF THEM. AND I HAVE A LIST OF EVERYONE THAT I SPOKE TO. CAN WE SEE THAT? UM, YES, IT'S IN MY PHONE, BUT, UM, I DON'T HAVE IT UP THERE, BUT I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU ON MY PHONE IF NEEDED. HERE STARTS AND I SHARED, UH, THAT LIST, UM, UH, WITH MS. REED, THE HIGHLAND PARK ASSOCIATION, UH, PRECEDENT. UM, AND ALSO WITH DISTRICT THREE FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORS WE SPOKE TO. I, I JUST PUT THE NOTES THEY WERE SAYING. SO THAT NEIGHBOR WANTED MULCH, . BLESS YOU. SORRY. UH, THAT ONE'S INTERESTING. UH, THAT NEIGHBOR, JOHN MEDINA, HE, HE, UM, HAS, UM, UH, LOTTERY MACHINES OR, UH, THAT HE FIXES [00:20:01] IN ARCADES AND HE WORKS OUT OF HIS GARAGE. SO HE, HE SAID IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO RENT ONE. UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE WORK OUT OF THEIR GARAGE AND ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IT'S A FAIRLY NEW, UH, IDEA AND THEY CAN'T RENT LIKE A BIG WAREHOUSE SPACE. SO WE'RE LIKE, UH, IT, IT'S REALLY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. A PLUMBER, AN ELECTRICIAN, SOMEBODY THAT'S STARTING UP AND WANTS TO LOOK MORE PROFESSIONAL. OH, AND THAT NEIGHBOR THERE, UH, MR. RAMOS, HE OWNED THE WHOLE THING IN INCLUDING THE, THE DRY POND OR THE, THE RAIN POND. AND HE SOLD IT TO THE CITY. AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT, UM, TRASH BECAUSE HE, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG HOUSES ON THE BACK. UH, THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT TRASH AND HOMELESS PEOPLE, UH, JUST PUTTING A TENT AND LIVING THERE AND, AND THEY TRY CLEANING THE LOT, BUT SOMETIMES TRUCKS JUST COME IN AND DUMP UH, UH, SHINGLES AND CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THERE. SO IT, IT'S A BIG MESS RIGHT NOW. AND I, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT YOUR READING 'CAUSE EVERYTHING, BUT, UM, WHEN WE DID RECEIVE THIS, SADLY WE COULDN'T REALLY ACCEPT IT BECAUSE WE DO ASK FOR LIKE, SIGNATURES OR SOMETHING INDIVIDUALLY WRITTEN BY THOSE FOLKS. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN OUR ACCOUNTS. BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, I BELIEVE SPEAKING WITH COUNSEL OFFICE THAT HE'S GONNA WORK ON THAT. SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL AWARE OF WHY IT WASN'T IN THE COUNTS. YEAH, I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD TO SIGN SOMETHING. WELL, I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH ANSWERS MY QUESTION AND, UH, AS TO WHETHER YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS OR YOU'RE COLLABORATING WITH THEM OR, SURE. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. UM, BUT SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, UM, HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, WELL WE TALKED ABOUT CLEARING THE TREES. MM-HMM . WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, BUFFERS TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION AND COOPERATION WITH THE NEIGHBORS. I'M ALSO SEEING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE INCREASE OF IMPERMEABLE PAVING ON THE SITE. AND WHAT ARE YOUR, LIKE WHAT PREPARATIONS ARE YOU MAKING FOR HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT STORM WATER. UM, SO, AND RUNOFF, YOU KNOW, RUNOFF MITIGATION, STORM WATER POLLUTION, MITIGATION. MM-HMM . SO, SO WE DO HAVE THE DRY POND ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS, UH, IN OUR FAVOR. RIGHT? WE CAN DRAIN THE WATER PROPERLY THERE INTO THE STREET. UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, BUT WE PLAN TO, UM, DRAIN THE WATER PROPERLY. RIGHT NOW IT'S GETTING STUCK IN THAT LOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT DRAINING PROPERLY THERE. THE LEVEL IS NOT THERE AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH MOSQUITOES AND AND SO ON AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT LOT CURRENTLY DOES NOT DRAIN PROPERLY, IT'S NOT GRADED PROPERLY TO DRAIN AND WE'RE LEFT WITH STANDING WATER, NOT THAT THAT HAS THE PROBLEM OR IT'S IN A FLOOD SUN. IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S JUST NOT, UM, GRADED PROPERLY TO HANDLE THE WATER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING IDEA BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS, I'M SURE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. I WORK WITH A LOT OF CONTRACTORS AND THEIR OFFICE IS THEIR TRUCK. RIGHT. AND THEY MIGHT LIKE IT IF THEY HAD A PLACE TO GO AND STORE EXCESS CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, DURING, DURING THE TIME THAT THEY'RE ON A PROJECT. UH, I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. I'M ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS BEING SORT OF A VERY LARGE PARCEL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON OTHER PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALSO POTENTIALLY ENCROACHING INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY AREAS. MY LAST CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH THE CAPACITY OF GIVER'S STREET TO ACT AS A, AN ENTRY POINT FOR THIS PROPERTY. I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER MM-HMM. ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT GIVER'S IS SUFFICIENTLY LA TO HANDLE THE TURNING INS AND TURNING OUTS FROM THE RENDERINGS. UH, WE, WE HAVE NORMALLY OUR COMPETITORS DOING FLEX SPACE IN SAN ANTONIO AND THE CITY REQUIRES ONE PARKING SPOT PER UNIT BECAUSE THEY NORMALLY PARK INSIDE RIGHT OF THAT DOOR IN THEIR OWN, UH, THE TENANT PARKS IN THEIR OWN, UH, UNIT. AND WE'RE OFFERING FOUR PARKING SPOTS PER UNIT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE THERE IS, NOBODY'S GONNA PARK ON THE STREET. THE PARKING IS A LOT MORE THAN IT'S NEEDED JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SPACE FOR IT. WELL, I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING OF MORE ABOUT LIKE THE TURNING CAPACITY OFF OF THE ROAD INTO THE LOT. YEAH. AND THE STREET IS 24 STREET, UH, WHERE [00:25:01] THAT THE, THE WIDTH OF THE STREET IS 25 FEET. SO FROM VISITING WITH, UH, UH, THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HERE, UH, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS ADEQUATE AND NOT BEING AN ISSUE FOR THE STREET INITIALLY. RIGHT. I DID VISIT WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS INTERNALLY. DID YOU HAVE LIKE A PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, UHHUH. I DID. OKAY. I THINK I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WALLERS. THAT, UH, COULD YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE PERIMETER FENCING? ARE YOU PUTTING IT AROUND ALL, ALL THE, SO WE'RE ENTIRE PERIMETER WE'RE YEP. WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO WHAT THE, UH, THE CITY REQUIRES AND, UH, WE'RE FLEXIBLE ON THAT. BUT INITIALLY WE'RE PROPOSING A FENCE ALONG THIS SIDE AND THIS SIDE BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE ONE HOUSE IS ON THE BACK, AND THEN HERE IT'S AN ALLEY STREET. ALL THIS IS AN ALLEY STREET. UH, BUT WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER FENCE HERE. OKAY. SO, SO IF YOU PUT A PERIMETER, WHAT TYPE OF, WHAT TYPE OF PERIMETER FENCE WOULD IT BE? A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE, UH, OR UHHUH, SIX FOOT SOLID FENCE. OKAY. AND IF YOU PUT THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE, I'M PRESUMING ON THE RIGHT SIDE THERE. YES. IT, IT'S TELLING ME THAT YOU HAD SOME OF THE LAND THAT YOU HAVE NOT DEVELOPED, WHO'S GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT LAND BECAUSE IT'LL BECOME A WILD, YOU KNOW, NO, WE, WE WOULD MAINTAIN IT. SO THE FENCE WOULD BE HERE, UHHUH, AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD IS STARTING HERE. SO WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE GREEN BELT HERE, UH, AS PART, AS PART OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE OUTS, THE, THAT THE EXTRA PIECE OF LAND WILL BE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE PROPERTY AND WE WOULD MAINTAIN IT. YES. BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA BE A 30 OR FOUR 40 FOOT DISTANCE FROM YEAH. SO THIS IS 30 FEET, IS IT 30, 32 FEET RIGHT NOW ON THE SITE MAP THIS AREA HERE. OKAY. ONE LAST QUESTION. ARE THESE BUILDINGS, WILL THEY ACCOMMODATE AN 18 WHEELER OR IS THIS JUST UTILITY TYPE TRUCKS? JUST VANS. OKAY. NORMALLY SMALL CONTRACTORS DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF EQUIPMENT. IT'S JUST STARTUP COMPANIES. OKAY. MAYBE SOMEBODY THAT, UM, DOES SOME SMALL SHIPPING TO FEDEX AND THE FEDEX TRUCK COMES IN. UH, IT'S REALLY SMALL VEHICLES. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING NO INDUSTRIAL TYPE? NO, NOT AT ALL. NO. OKAY. THAT'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER, PROPHET, UH, QUESTION STAFF. IF, UH, THIS STATE SAY R SIX IN THE MIDDLE AND I WANTED TO PUT A HOUSE THERE, COULD I, I MEAN, THERE'S DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY ACCESS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN ALLEY AND A PAPER STREET, IT DOES APPEAR IF THERE WERE HOUSES BUILT ON THERE, THE DEVELOPER OR THE BUILDER WOULD HAVE TO, I ASSUME, UM, DEVELOP THE APPROPRIATE DRIVE FROM GS. RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. SO, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE HEARING YOUR PRESENTATION AND CONSIDER IT MORE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE REGIONAL MIXED USE IS ALWAYS A RED FLAG FOR ME. BUT AGAIN, UH, I THINK THERE'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL AND THAT'S KIND OF OUR DUTY IS TO EVALUATE, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS HERE. BUT, BUT IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T ULTIMATELY APPROVE, IT'S I PLUS SOMEBODY BUYS IT AND HAS ACCESS THROUGH JEEPS, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING HERE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A VIABLE PLAN THAT DOESN'T AND SEEMS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS. SO, UM, YEAH, AND IT'S A VERY INTERESTING POINT BECAUSE THIS LAND IS ABOUT SAY 150,000. IT'S NOT, UH, UM, AT THE MOST, RIGHT? SO WE PAID 90,000 FOR IT. SO ANYBODY BUYING THIS LAND IS NOT GONNA SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD THIS STREET HERE. UM, IT WILL JUST STAY THERE FOREVER, RIGHT? LIKE IF NOBODY WILL DO IT, NO INVESTOR WILL SAY, LET ME BUY THIS FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND, BUT BY THE WAY, I HAVE TO BUILD A MILLION DOLLAR STREET. IT WILL JUST STAY UNUSED FOREVER. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. SO THANK YOU. AND NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MILLER? NO QUESTIONS. COMM COOPER? NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ZUKI. UM, I HEARD ALL THE QUESTIONS AND ALL THE ANSWERS AND I APPRECIATE YOU REACH OUT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, PROBABLY THE EAST SIDE AS WELL. WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE YOU DELIVER TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE PROJECT? WHAT DID, HOW DID YOU PRESENT THE PROJECT TO THEM? YEAH, SO BASICALLY JUST SHOW THEM, UH, THE RENDERINGS AND SHOW THEM WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO THERE. BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SAID IF IF IF YOU'RE A PLUMBER, IF YOUR FAMILY'S A A PLUMBER AND THEY [00:30:01] WANNA RENT ONE OF THESE UNITS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THAT, UH, EXPENSIVE. I THINK, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO RENT THEM FOR, UH, 1400 TO 1500 A UNIT. UM, SO THEY'RE ACCESSIBLE FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, LIKE I SAID, SAID HE WANTED ONE UNIT. SO I THINK IT WAS WELL PERCEIVED. UH, IN GENERAL, I, I REALLY DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY SAYING ANYTHING NEGATIVE, UH, ON THE TYPE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT YOU ALLOW TO THIS PROJECT. HAVE YOU TELLING THEM WHAT KIND OF THIS BUSINESS? MY CONCERN IS SOMEBODY WAS LIKE A, A VERY NOISY MACHINE EQUIPMENT COULD COME IN AND USE THAT PLACE WHERE THIS NOISE COULD BE TRANS TRANSLATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE NORTH THAT BECOMES A NOISY NEIGHBORS. SO I, SO THE C3 CD, WHAT IS SPECIFICALLY THE TYPE OF THE BUSINESSES, AND MAYBE I'LL FOLLOW WITH THE QUESTION OF THE STAFF. WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED UNDER C3 CD? I, I CAN ANSWER FROM EXPERIENCE ON WHAT OTHER COMPETITORS IN THE CITY ARE, ARE DOING, WHO THE TENANTS ARE AND ALL THE FLEX SPACES THAT ARE, IT'S A NEW THING, RIGHT? AND, AND NORMALLY IN, IN, IN THE US IT'S A NEW THING. UM, THEY'RE ALL IN THE CITY. THEY'RE C3 AND NORMALLY IT'S PEOPLE STORING SOMETHING. THEY THE INSIDE GOING OUTSIDE DOING WORK, COMING BACK, LEAVING THE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO, THEY DON'T WANT IT TO GET STOLEN. UH, I WORK WITH A LOT OF CONTRACTORS BECAUSE I OWN PROPERTY AND WE MAINTAIN IT. EVERYBODY GETS STOLEN EQUIPMENT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, TWICE A YEAR. SO IT, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING PEOPLE WANNA HAVE TO STORE SOMETHING, PARK THEIR CAR, STORE SOMETHING, COME BACK, DO SOME INVOICING AND GO HOME. IT'S REALLY NOT SOMETHING TO GO WORK THERE LIKE A MECHANIC OR THAT'S NOT ADEQUATE SPACE FOR A MECHANIC BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY COME IN WITH ONE CAR. THEY WON'T LIKE IT. A MECHANIC LIKES A BIG LOT WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A BUNCH OF CARS OUTSIDE AND A DIFFERENT LAYOUT. THIS IS REALLY INTENDED FOR SOMEBODY PARKING INSIDE VALUABLE EQUIPMENT, UH, AND, AND LEAVING. SO IT'S LIKE A STORAGE UNITS. IT'S, IT'S LIKE A COMBINATION OF STORAGE WITH AN OFFICE, WITH AN OFFICE. YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY SOMETHING NEW. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE REALLY NEED. YEAH. OKAY. DOES THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT FOR C3 CD WILL MAINTAIN THAT USE TO BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT? WOULD THAT GONNA BE ANY DISCUSSION TO THE STAFF? I'M SORRY, RE DOES, DOES THE USE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FALLS UNDER C3 CD AND THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICES OF BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE INTERFERING WITH THE GOAL OF THE PROJECT, LIKE A PLUMBER IN THE FUTURE THAT COULD OPEN? SO AGAIN, THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR, CONSTRUCTION TRADES CONTRACTORS ALLOW A LOT OF, ALL YOUR DIFFERENT, UM, FOLKS, THE CONTRACTORS, PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, THOSE KIND OF ITEMS, BUSINESSES. SO, SO THEY, THEY MIGHT BE ALLOWED, I MEAN, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN C3. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH JUST THIS IF THEY GET THIS ZONING. SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE CD? THE CD IS BECAUSE THAT USE IS ONLY PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, AND SO HE'S TRYING TO KEEP A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND CONDITIONED DOWN IN ONE SINGLE INDUSTRIAL USE. SO, SO WITHOUT CD A PLUMBER COULDN'T BE THERE OR AN ELECTRICIAN. IT'S FOR CONTRACTORS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO BE THERE. AND WE DID GET EXEMPTIONS, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE C3, WHICH IS THE NA AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS APPROVED YESTERDAY IN THE ZONING MEETING. AND THEN, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION ARE ONLY MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, SATURDAY, 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM SUNDAY, UH, 7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM AND THEN WE HAVE TO DO DOWN FACING LIGHTING AND NO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE OR, UH, WAIVERS OR ANYTHING OUTSIDE. SO THERE WAS SOME OF THE, UH, AMENDMENTS TO THE, TO THE ZONING. OKAY. IT IS, IT'S THE FUTURE USE OF THIS. HAVE YOU DECIDED AT SOME POINT TO SELL THE PROJECT TO SOMEBODY ELSE? A NEW LANDLORD MIGHT SEE A POTENTIAL TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY CONCERN WOULD BE. YEAH. NO, UH, LIKE I SAID, I OWN THE, THE FRONT TWO PARCELS AND I'VE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME TO BUY THE BACKSIDE TO DO THIS. I REALLY BELIEVE IN FLEX SPACE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN NEED. UM, AND I BELIEVE IN THIS MORE THAN, UH, UH, BUILDING APARTMENTS, UH, BECAUSE WE [00:35:01] HAVE TOO MANY APARTMENTS RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY. SO THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN. AND I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA DO THIS. YEAH, I, I I AGREE WITH YOU. ALLOW ME , I AGREE WITH THE PROJECT. I AGREE WITH THE LAYOUT, I AGREE WITH THE BUSINESS, THE WAY YOU PRESENT IT. I'M JUST CONCERNING THE FUTURE OF IT. YEAH. AND THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE. AND IF THESE BUSINESSES STAY THE WAY YOU PRESENT IT INDEFINITELY, I WILL SUPPORT IT. IT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE YEARS FROM NOW. YEAH, NO, I INTEND TO DO IT. I'M ALSO VESTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE OWN ANOTHER TWO PROPERTIES IN HIGHLAND PARK, SO I LIKE THAT AREA AND I REALLY WANNA DEVELOP THIS. NO FURTHER QUESTION. THANK, THANK YOU. IS THE, UM, THE FACT THAT IT, I GUESS IT'S CATERING TO, YOU KNOW, SMALL CONTRACTORS LIKE PLUMBERS AND ELECTRICIANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT, WHAT'S DRIVING THE C3 CD? I MEAN, WHEN IT'S BEING DESCRIBED, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE OFFICE FLEX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT USE DOES, UM, REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE. IF YOU WANT A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT NOW HE COULD DO C TWO OR C3, BUT HE HAS SELECTED C3. SO THE USE COULD BE DONE IN THE C TWO, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A C TWO CD, BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN, UM, SAMANTHA MAY HAVE MOST LIKELY HAD BROUGHT THIS UP THE CASE MANAGER, SO I'M NOT CERTAIN WHY. UM, BUT AGAIN, C TWO IS AN AVAILABLE OPTION AS WELL. UH, SOME OF THE TRADES ARE NOT POSSIBLE AT C TWO. UH, LIKE IF YOU SEE FLEX SPACE, THE CONCEPT OF FLEX SPACE NEEDS TO BE C3. EVERYBODY IN SAN ANTONIO DOING FLEX SPACE, LIKE WHAT THIS IS CALLED, HAS C3. NOBODY'S DOING THAT WITH C TWO. LIKE I WOULDN'T INVEST WITH C TWO BECAUSE I WOULD BE IN A DISADVANTAGE WITH OTHER, UH, FLEX SPACES IN THE CITY. SO WHAT HE IS IN, YEAH, WHAT HE'S STATING IS OUR USE WAREHOUSE FLEX SPACE, WHICH IS A MIX OF OFFICE AND WAREHOUSING. SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE, UM, CONTRACTORS. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING OF A SORT IF SOMEBODY WAS SELLING PRODUCTS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD, UM, THEY WANTED TO KEEP, IT'S A SMALLER, UH, LOW KEY THAN ACTUAL BIG TIME WAREHOUSING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE ONE MORE. SURE THING. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR LIKE AN AUTO BODY THAT CAN DO PAINTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT? NO, NOT POSSIBLE. WELL, NOT AUTO BODY, BUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF AUTO SALES OR, UM, MECHANICAL WORK WOULD BE PERMITTED IN A C3 BUT NOT AUTOBODY. CORRECT. AND JUST CLARIFICATION THAT EVEN GOING C TWO, IT'S WOULD REQUIRE A LAND A PLAN AMENDMENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE CORRECT, YES. A PLAN AMENDMENT, THERE ARE NO C WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED AND IT WOULD BE, THERE'S, IS THERE ONE BETWEEN, UH, IS THERE ONE THAT'S LOWER THAN REGIONAL MIXED USE? YES, BUT MORE, IS IT, WHAT IS IT, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BEAR WITH ME A SECOND. I HAD IT, I THINK COMMERCIAL. THERE'S ONE CALLED COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, BUT THAT IS HIGHER. I THINK THE BENEFIT WITH SAMANTHA WAS EXPLAINING TO ME, UM, A COORDINATOR IS THAT REGIONAL MIX USE ALLOWS IN THE FUTURE TO DO RESIDENTIAL. THEY CAN REZONE BACK TO RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE COMMERCIAL MIX USE OR THE OTHER, UH, ONE DID NOT ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL ANYMORE. SO THIS CAN ALWAYS GO BACK TO BE RESIDENTIAL. BUT WE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF URBAN MIXED USE, WHICH WOULD DO THE C TWO BASED ZONING, BUT AGAIN IT WOULD MM-HMM . CONSTRICT HIM FROM OTHER USES THAT CORRECT? HE POTENTIALLY WANTS TO USE. YEAH, I WAS JUST MAINLY JUST, YEAH, JUST, UM, JUST A QUESTION ACTUALLY. SO, UM, THAT'S NOTHING ELSE. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY COULD OPEN LIKE A TIRE SHOP IN ONE OF THESE UNITS? YES. THAT COULD HAPPEN. SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES. IS THERE ANY WAY TO PUT A RESTRICTION ON THOSE USES? SADLY, NO. IF SOMETHING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THAT BASE ZONE, WE CANNOT RESTRICT IT. UH, JUST TO ADD, UH, NORMALLY I SEE COMPETITORS DOING THE SAME THING. THAT'S HOW I LEARN, UH, OR HOW WE WOULD, AN INVESTOR WILL DO IT, THEY GO SEE WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS DONE AND BASICALLY COPY IT. UH, A TIRE SHOP DOESN'T WANNA BE IN A PLACE THAT IS SECLUDED, UH, WITH NO VISIBILITY, NOBODY WILL KNOW THEY'RE THERE. NORMALLY PEOPLE RENT THESE PLACES THAT THEY'RE NOT RETAIL, THEY DON'T CARE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE VISIBILITY. SO LIKE A MECHANIC, A TIRE SHOP, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, THEY CAN FIND MANY OTHER PLACES FOR THE SAME PRICE WITH BETTER VISIBILITY AND RENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN RENTING, UH, SOMEWHERE [00:40:01] INSIDE JUST BY THE, BY BY THE MARKET. RIGHT. THEY'LL FIND THE BETTER PLACE. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A COMMENT. WHAT'S GONNA BE COMING UP. SO JUST THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, I DON'T SEE NO ISLANDS THERE. SO YOU'RE GONNA NEED 12 TREES ROUGHLY JUST FOR THE PARKING LOT. SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT ANYWHERE TO PLANT, THERE'S NO ISLANDS, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CRAM SOME TREES IN THERE. BUT JUST TO GET THE PARKING LOT THROUGH 12 TREES, ROUGHLY, YES. AND IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MUCH PARKING. UH, IT'S FOUR, FOUR CARS PER UNIT, SO WE CAN BRING IT DOWN TO THREE CARS PER UNIT AND ADD MORE GREEN SPACE AND TREES. YOU'RE JUST GONNA RUN INTO MORE VARIANCES WITH THAT. SO I WOULD, I WOULD TRY TO SUGGEST TO TRY TO SQUEEZE AS MANY AS YOU CAN TO GET IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST ADVICE. YES. APPRECIATED. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICANT REQUEST. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER ZUKI. SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BUSMAN. STAFF PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? YES. COMMISSIONER VIS? AYE. COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ? NO. COMMISSIONER LOPEZ? NO. COMMISSIONER COOPER? NO. COMMISSIONER MILLER? NO. COMMISSIONER WALLER? NO. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? NO. COMMISSIONER AND PROFIT? NO. CHAIR. PECK? NO. MOTION FAILS. OKAY, MO UH, MOTION TO DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OR CAN I JUST MAKE A MOTION? YOU CAN JUST MAKE A MOTION. YOU CAN MAKE, YEAH. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T WANNA DO ANOTHER MOTION TO DENY. YOU CAN JUST MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE OR OTHER MOTIONS. OKAY. UH, MOTION TO APPROVE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER PROFIT. AND IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MILLER. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER MILLER? YES. COMMISSIONER SANCHEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER ZUKI? NO. COMMISSIONER LOPEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER COOPER? YES. COMMISSIONER WALLER? YES. COMMISSIONER ANTE? NO. COMMISSIONER SIEGEL? YES. CHAIR PECK? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY, UH, DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NO, THERE IS NOT. I SEE SOME CONVERSATION HAPPENING. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, WITH THAT IT IS 2 43 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.