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          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR JANUARY 15TH, 2020. 
          [Roll Call]
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FERNANDEZ FISH. 
          HERE. 
          GIBBS. 
          HERE. 
          VELASQUEZ OLA. 
          HERE. 
          MARTINEZ FLORES CARPENTER. 
          GU. 
          HERE. 
          BOWMAN. 
          HERE. 
          ZER. 
          HERE. 
          . 
          UM, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES. 
          THERE'S A VIDEO THAT WE'LL PLAY. 
          [Chairman’s Statement]
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. 
          CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. 
          EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO YIELD UP. 
          THEIR SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. 
          SPEAKERS MUST BE, WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE MAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO WELCOME TO THE FIRST MEETING IN 2020. 
          UM, WE'RE THANKFUL TO HAVE YOU ALL. 
          [Announcements]
UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE AN UPCOMING WINDOW WORKSHOP AND CERTIFICATION COURSE. 
          UM, THAT'LL BE A WEEKEND JANUARY 25TH AND 26TH AT THE KELSO HOUSE LEARNING LAB. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR HOMEOWNERS AND ALSO CONTRACTORS TO RECEIVE HANDS ON TRAINING OF WOOD WINDOW REPAIR. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GRUE HAS ATTENDED THEM IN THE PAST AND I THINK LEARNED A LOT. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE?  AND ENJOYED HERSELF. 
          UM, SO, AND ALSO CONTRACTORS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE FULL TWO DAY COURSE, UM, RECEIVE A CERTIFICATION, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, EXPOSURE ON THE REHAB CLUB WEBSITE, UH, FOR BEING CERTIFIED IN THAT TYPE OF WORK. 
          UM, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO OFFER THAT COURSE. 
          UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON, UH, THE A ITEMS. UM, SO 
          ['A' CONSENT AGENDA]
WE ARE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE, UM, CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, YES, SO NOT GENERAL COMMENTS, BUT WE WILL CALL YOU WHEN UM, THAT ITEM IS HEARD. 
          SO, EDWARD, IF YOU'LL PULL THE ITEMS UP ON THE SCREEN FOR US TO LOOK AT. 
          UM, WE HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED IN FOR ITEMS A THREE AND A FIVE. 
          UM, ITEM A FOUR. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE A QUORUM FOR THAT ITEM AND IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, NOBODY HAS SIGNED IN TO SPEAK ON ITEM A FOUR. 
          UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEMS A ONE AND A TWO FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS A ONE AND A TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE SIGN IN SHEET HAS THE ITEMS LISTED DIFFERENTLY ON THE, UM, AGENDA. 
          SO LET'S RESOLVE THAT REALLY QUICKLY AND WE'LL GET BACK IN A COUPLE MINUTES WHILE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          THE AGENDA'S CORRECT, THE SIGNIN SHEET IS CORRECT. 
          WHAT IS ON YOUR SCREEN IS INCORRECT. 
          SO WE'LL SWITCH ITEMS A TWO WITH 
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A THREE. 
          WHO'S DOING THAT? OKAY, SO A TWO IS 6 46 SOUTH FLORES. 
          UM, I HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED IN. 
          I HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP JUST NOW. 
          SO IF YOU THINK YOU WANNA SPEAK ON ITEM A 2 6 46 SOUTH FLOORS, PLEASE SEE ME. 
          ITEM A THREE IS 3 31 ROOSEVELT, THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER. 
          UH, JUST A THREE. 
          AND OUR AGENDA IS JOSEPHINE? YEP. 
          A THREE IS 3 28 EAST JOSEPHINE. 
          A FOUR IS 3 31 ROOSEVELT A FIVE IS 3 37 WEST COMMERCE. 
          OKAY, SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS INCORRECT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED IN FOR A 2 6 46 SOUTH FLORES, NONE FOR A THREE, WHICH IS 3 28 EAST JOSEPHINE AND ONE FOR A 4 3 31 ROOSEVELT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE WILL RECONSIDER THE MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THAT WILL LEAVE US WITH ITEMS A ONE AND A FIVE. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD ON A FIVE. 
          CORRECT? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON ITEMS A ONE AND A FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES YOUR ON THE CON IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOU'RE HERE FOR THE SAVING STREET BOUNDED BY NORTH FLORES STREET IN SODA AND FOR 3 37 WEST COMMERCE. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          THAT BRINGS US 
          [A-2 20-1165 Address/Description: 646 S FLORES ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-757 Historic District Name: Arsenal RIO District: RIO-4 Applicant: Adrianna Swindle/Lake Flato Architects Request: Construction of a multi-story commercial structure City Council Dist.: 1]
ON ITEM A TWO, AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          UM, 6 46 SOUTH FLORES. 
          UH, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. 
          RENEE RUIZ. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          RENEE RUIZ, 400 EAST ARSENAL. 
          I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE H E B HEADQUARTERS. 
          MY HOME IS ALSO IN THE KING WILLIAM DISTRICT, AND SO WHEN I DO, UH, WORK TO MY EXTERIOR, I HAVE TO COME HERE AND GET PERMISSION. 
          UH, THE REASON WHY I'M HERE IS THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT, I SIGNED UP AS NEUTRAL BECAUSE I WANNA GET MORE INFORMATION, BUT I WANNA BRING SOMETHING TO YOUR ATTENTION AS THIS MOVES ALONG THAT I HOPE WE CAN GET ADDRESSED TODAY. 
          'CAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, EVERYBODY THAT, UH, PARTY'S CONCERNED ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          BUT, UH, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE, UH, THE AGENDA HERE AND THE, PARTICULARLY THE AGENDA ITEM FOR THIS ITEM. 
          AND IT TALKS ABOUT PEDESTRIAN FLOW AND NOT BLOCKING PATHWAYS, AND THAT DEFINITION BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING, UH, A PEDESTRIAN WALKING ALONG TO SWERVE DODGE CHANGE DIRECTION OR COME TO A COMPLETE STOP. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN 2013 WHEN H E B WAS PETITIONING FOR THE, THE CLOSURE OF SOUTH MAINE. 
          IT WAS A BIG DEAL FOR FOLKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ACCORDING TO THE KIMLEY AND, UH, HORN REPORT. 
          UH, H E B PROPOSED A 30 FOOT AMENITIES PATH FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE. 
          IT'S DEDICATED FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS. 
          THERE ARE SIGNS UP THAT CLEARLY SAY NO PARKING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          AND WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW IS THAT H E B HAS BASICALLY, OR NOT H E B, THEY'RE VENDORS, BUT WITH HE B'S CONSENT IS, UH, THEY'VE CONVERTED THAT BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN LANE, UH, TO THEIR OWN PRIVATE USE FOR INDIVIDUAL DELIVERIES. 
          HERE WE HAVE A 18 WHEELER. 
          THIS IS A EXTREME CARTAGE PARKED IN THAT, UH, PATHWAY MAKING DELIVERIES. 
          HIGH SIERRA CLUB, UH, TOILET COMPANY X P O LOGISTICS, COCA-COLA LABAT, MAKING DELIVERIES FROM THE LANE, LEAVING DUMPSTERS IN THE LANE, UH, WHILE THEY'RE DOING WORK ON THEIR PROPERTY, JUST LEAVING DUMPSTERS IN THE LANE SO THAT FOLKS HAVE TO SWERVE INTO THE STREET. 
          PEPSI, ARAMARK HEAVY EQUIPMENT DELIVERIES. 
          UH, HERE'S A PICTURE OF HBS TRUCK. 
          THESE GUYS COME EVERY MORNING AND PARK IN THE NO PARKING ZONE WHILE THEY RUN IN TO GET PAPERWORK SO THEY CAN FIGURE OUT, UH, WHERE THEY NEED TO GO FOR THE DAY. 
          THIS IS AN H E D H E B TRUCK. 
          IT'S GOT IDEA LEASE. 
          THIS IS AN H E B TRUCK. 
          IT SAYS MADERA ON THE SIDE. 
          THIS IS AN H E B TRUCK. 
          IT'S A TEXAS WILSON FURNITURE. 
          THIS IS AN 
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H E B VAN. 
          THIS IS A HEAVY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. 
          THEY LEFT ON THE SIDEWALK FOR TWO DAYS RIGHT OUT FRONT. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE ALSO USING THESE GO-KARTS, UH, DRIVING UP AND DOWN THAT PATHWAY AND THE STREET, UH, BECAUSE I GUESS THEY, WHAT, IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO GET AROUND. 
          UH, THERE'S CLEARLY MARKED NO PARKING, THIS SIDE, THIS BLOCK. 
          THERE ARE SIGNS THAT SAY NO TRUCKS, NO THROUGH TRUCKS. 
          AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THAT BAY AND THE BAY IS TOO SMALL. 
          THESE LARGE TRUCKS SIMPLY CAN'T FIT INTO THE BAY. 
          AND SO THEY'RE JUST MAKING DELIVERIES FROM THE STREET AND HEBS ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN BY OPENING THE GATE AND ALLOWING THEM TO COME IN AND MAKE THE DELIVERIES. 
          I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN NUMBER OF FOLKS HAVE TO SWERVE INTO THE STREET, AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED. 
          UH, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO ON THEIR OWN TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND SO I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THAT'S YOUR TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UH, RESPONSE FROM THE, UH, APPLICANTS. 
          THEY'RE ANOTHER CITIZEN TO BE HEARD. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE THE APPLICANT. 
          COME FORWARD PLEASE. 
          HI, I AM TODD PYLON. 
          I'M THE EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF H E B. 
          UM, I KNOW THE PROJECT, UH, BEFORE US TODAY DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, UH, OR IF THE PROJECT PROPOSED, DOES ANYTHING THAT, UH, WOULD IMPROVE THE CONDITION THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, UH, OBSERVED? SURE. 
          LET ME JUST ADDRESS, FIRST OF ALL, UH, I APOLOGIZE IF WE'VE INFRINGED UPON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE. 
          UH, THESE ARE WHAT I SAW FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS FOR THIRD PARTY FOLKS, UH, THAT, UH, SERVE US. 
          AND, AND WE, I THOUGHT, HAD ADDRESSED THESE ISSUES. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DATES WERE ON THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT I'VE, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THESE ISSUES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SATISFACTION. 
          IF NOT, WE WILL REDOUBLE OUR EFFORTS OVER THERE. 
          UM, YEAH, I WAS INVOLVED IN THE CLOSING OF, OF MAIN STREET, UH, CAME BEFORE THIS GROUP AND, AND HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, BEEN AT THE ARSENAL SINCE WE MOVED IN THERE IN THE SUMMER OF 1985. 
          SO COMING UP 35 YEARS THERE, UH, I THOUGHT WE'D BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MY OPINION THAT THIS NEW PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT GOES ON ON THE ON ARSENAL STREET, BUT WE WILL ADDRESS IT. 
          QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION IS SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT 
          [A-4 20-1206 Address/Description: 3331 ROOSEVELT AVE HDRC Case No.: 2019-752 Historic District Name: Mission Applicant: xavier gonzalez/grg atchitecture Request: Construction of a commercial structure City Council Dist.: 3]
BRINGS US TO ITEM A 4 3 3 3 1 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A CITIZEN SIGNED IN. 
          JANE HENRY, I APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR THE CONFUSION, MS. HENRY. 
          AND YOU MAY HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR MICROPHONE, BUT PLEASE START BY JUST STATING YOUR NAME. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JANE HENRY AND I, UM, LIVE IN THE RAVEN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND THE PROPOSED, UM, UM, LOCATION OF THE NEW NIETZCHE RESTAURANT. 
          AND I'M HERE, I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND, UM, WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT AND THAT THIS MEETING TODAY. 
          AND SO WE BOLTED THE, UH, BOARD REPORT AND THE PICTURES AND EVERYTHING AND WE TALKED TODAY. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE, WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF NIETZCHE AND THE NEW LOCATION, I'M EXCITED 'CAUSE IT'S EVEN CLOSER TO WHERE I LIVE. 
          UM, AND IT'S, THE DESIGN IS BEAUTIFUL. 
          UH, BUT WE DO HAVE, AND WE, UH, AGREE WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BOARD AND WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ONES OF OUR OWN. 
          UM, I ALSO HAVE A LETTER OF, UM, UM, SUPPORT AND, UM, RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF, OF THE PROJECT FROM, UM, OF THE PLANS, UH, FROM THE PRESIDENT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND I CAN READ THAT TO YOU FOR HER. 
          UM, DEAR HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MISSION, SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS THE H D R C CASE. 
          UM, 
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YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I'M LIMITED ON TIME, MAYBE I SHOULD JUST SUBMIT THIS AFTERWARDS. 
          IN GENERAL, WE SUPPORT AND I SHOULD READ OUR, OUR CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, UM, YOUR FIRST, UM, RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO INCORPORATE, INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS TO BUFFER THE PROPOSED SERVICE PARKING LOT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY AT ROOSEVELT AND BONNER. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, WE AGREE WITH THAT. 
          IN ADDITION, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PROVIDING A BUFFER BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE PARKING LOT AND, UM, THIS, IT, WELL, IF YOU CAN, AND, AND THE, UM, THE ALLEYWAY BEHIND IT, UM, WHERE IT SAYS ALLEY, YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THAT PICTURE, BUT THERE ARE HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ALLEY. 
          DO YOU, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT, NEXT PICTURE AND THEN KEEP GOING? , IT MUST HAVE BEEN IN THE BEGINNING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE, UH, PHOTO FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, YOU SEE ROOSEVELT IN THE FOREGROUND AND PARALLEL TO THAT IS THE ALLEY IN THE BACK, AND THEN YOU SEE THE HOUSES BEHIND IT. 
          UM, WE WOULD PROPOSE, UM, UH, LANDSCAPED BARRIER OF TALL BUSHES, BUSHES BE SOMETHING BACK THERE. 
          AND I, I KNOW NIES WILL BE, UM, INTERESTED IN, UM, HELPING PROTECT THOSE NEIGHBORS TOO. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD, UM, BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, BUILDING OF A, A WALL, UH, A WOODEN WALL BACK THERE, OR SOME KIND OF WALL BECAUSE IT COULD ENCOURAGE GRAFFITI ON THE BACK OF THE WALL ALONG THE ALLEY. 
          AND THAT WOULD, UM, UP FRONT THE, THE NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          THAT'S THREE MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          IF YOU WANNA SUBMIT YOUR OTHER COMMENTS TO STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND MA'AM, THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU DO HAVE A HANDOUT, WE CAN PASS THE LETTER TO COMMISSIONERS TOO SO THEY HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ALL THE, THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE SIGNED IN FOR THIS ITEM THAT IS ALREADY IN OUR FOLDERS. 
          I, I BELIEVED IT WAS, YES. 
          AND SINCE, AND WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVE A COPY ACTUALLY ALREADY, MA'AM, SINCE IT'S CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, I WOULD LOVE TO, UM, INCORPORATE HER COMMENTS BEFORE FINAL IS  IS THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE? I'M EDWARD GARZA. 
          G R G ARCHITECTURE. 
          YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS? WELL, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT AND WE'RE CERTAINLY, UH, OPEN TO ACCEPTING, YOU KNOW, ANY COMMENTS? UM, THE IDEA OF HAVING A BUFFER IN THAT ALLEYWAY, YOU KNOW, VIA LANDSCAPE VERSUS A WOODEN WALL IS CERTAINLY, UH, ACHIEVABLE. 
          SO WE'RE VERY RECEPTIVE TO ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOR SURE. 
          SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND I'D ADD THE STIPULATION THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT EXPLORER A VEGETATIVE BUFFER IN THE ALLEY. 
          SECOND AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAYYY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [A-6 20-1246 Address/Description: 111 W CROCKETT ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-740 RIO District: RIO-3 Applicant: Kelly Gonyea/Texas Custom Signs Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 1]
AGENDA ITEM A SIX H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 19 7 41 11 WEST CROCKETT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE AT ONE 11 WEST CROCKETT, THE HARD ROCK CAFE. 
          WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE TO INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED HANGING BLADE SIGN AT THE RIVER LEVEL TO FEATURE 44 INCHES IN WIDTH AND 26 INCHES IN HEIGHT FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY EIGHT SQUARE FEET. 
          PROPOSED SIGN WILL READ HARD ROCK CAFE AND WILL BE ONE SIDED. 
          THIS SIGN IS NOTED AS SIGN C IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS TWO TO INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED HANGING BLADE SIGN AT THE RIVER LEVEL TO FEATURE 76 INCHES IN WIDTH AND 15 INCHES IN HEIGHT FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY EIGHT SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL READ ROCK SHOP AND WILL BE ONE SIDED. 
          THE SIGN IS NOTED TO SIGN D IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. 
          AND THREE, TO INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED HANGING BLADE SIGN AT THE RIVER LEVEL 
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TO FEATURE 44 INCHES IN WIDTH AND NINE INCHES IN HEIGHT FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY THREE SQUARE FEET. 
          PROPOSED SIGN WILL READ ROCK SHOP AND WILL BE ONE SIDED. 
          THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL BE LOCATED ON THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, HOWEVER, IT WILL BE LOCATED LESS THAN 10 FEET FROM EXTERIOR FENESTRATION AND IS REVIEWED AS EXTERIOR SIGNAGE. 
          THIS SIGN IS NOTED AS SIGN G IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ONE SIGN FEATURING EIGHT SQUARE FEET AND EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION ON THE RIVER WALK LEVEL. 
          APPLICANT HERE PLEASE NO APPLICANT FOR THIS CASE. 
          I'VE GIVEN THE APPLICANT IT ISN'T, ISN'T HERE TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES. 
          I, I MOVE TO CONTINUE SECOND MOTION AND SECOND TO CONTINUE THE CASE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          ['B' ITEMS CONSENT AGENDA]
SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE B ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          UM, IF WE'LL PULL THOSE UP TO THE SCREEN. 
          UM, SO OF ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B 15, WHICH WERE LISTED ON CONSENT, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEM B 1 2 17 CEDAR. 
          UM, AND WE CAN TAKE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER. 
          ACTUALLY BEFORE THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED IN TO PROVIDE GENERAL COMMENTS ON THE BE ITEMS. UM, SO LET'S CALL THEM UP TO SPEAK BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION. 
          UM, MARGARET LEADS, THANK YOU. 
          I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ INTO THE RECORD, UH, OUR VIEWS ON THE CASE FOR 2 1 9 ADAMS AND 2 16 2 18 WIX, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE CONTRIBUTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE ADDRESSED AT 2 16 2 18 WIX AND CONSTRUCT A REAR PARKING LOT TO INCLUDE, UH, SPACE FOR SIX VEHICLES. 
          THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THIS REQUEST IN DETAIL. 
          ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS PULLED THE REQUEST, WE WANT TO RECORD THAT KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ABSOLUTELY CONCURS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS REQUEST. 
          AND IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT OTHER PRESERVATION ADVOCATES HAVE CONTRI HAVE COMMUNICATED TO YOU THEIR, UH, FEELINGS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND THE OTHER CASE IS, UH, 2 0 4 CITY KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPRECIATES AND WE HAVE, UH, PHOTOS FOR THIS ONE THAT THE APPLICANT MET WITH US ON TWO OCCASIONS. 
          NO, I'M SORRY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          TO REVIEW THE PROJECT. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, APPARENTLY TIME DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO CHANGE THEIR PLANS IN THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, WE EXPECT THAT THE FOLLOWING IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE MADE TO THE DESIGN ON THE FINAL APPLICATION. 
          ONE THAT THEY ADD WINDOWS TO THE EXTERIOR WALLS OF THE ENCLOSED REAR PORCH. 
          TWO, THAT THEY ADD A TRANSOM OVER THE, THE NEW BACK DOOR TO MATCH THE HEAD HEIGHT OF THE TWO, TWO ADJACENT EXISTING WINDOWS. 
          AND THREE, THAT THEY SIMPLIFY THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED REAR TURRET AS PROPOSED. 
          IT, UM, IT IS LARGER THAN THE ORIGINAL TURRET IN THE FRONT. 
          UM, WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS TO APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH THESE CHANGES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND AND I'M REPRESENTING THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, OUR PRESIDENT PATTY ZZZ. 
          SO WE HAVE TWO AT THIS POINT. 
          WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? OKAY, I'LL DO THE FIRST ONE WITH SWAN'S LANDING, WHICH IS ITEM B 15. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED REHABILITATION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AT THE PARENT HOME PARENT HOMESTEAD. 
          A RARE AND OUTSTANDING EXAMPLE OF LIMESTONE FARMHOUSE CONSTRUCTION IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          WE HAVE LONG STUDIED THIS BUILDING THROUGH OUR FARM AND RANCH COMMITTEE AND WE WERE VERY PLEASED TO TOUR THE PROJECT 
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RECENTLY WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CLAYTON PERRY. 
          THE PLANS FOR THE REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION OF THIS LANDMARK PROPERTY ARE THOUGHTFUL AND APPROPRIATE, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF A 1960S EDITION AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW ANCILLARY STRUCTURES SEPARATED FROM THE HISTORIC HOUSE AND INVISIBLE FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY LOOKS FORWARD TO THE RESTORATION OF THIS COMMUNITY, LANDMARK AND RARE GLIMPSE INTO EARLY SAN ANTONIO HISTORY. 
          RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, PATTY ZZ PRESIDENT. 
          AND THE NEXT IS ITEM B 4 2 0 4 CITY STREET. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AGREES WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED ROOFTOP EDITION AT 2 0 4 CITY STREET. 
          THE EXISTING HISTORIC TURRET ON THE FRONT ELEVATION IS A DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT SPECIFIC TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE DESIGN. 
          ADDING A SECOND SIMILAR TURRET TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE WOULD LESSEN THE VISUAL UNIQUENESS OF THE EXISTING FRONT TURRET. 
          THE PROPOSED NEW ROOFTOP ELEMENT SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THE FRONT TURRET. 
          PERHAPS A SIMPLE DORMER EDITION COULD SERVE THE SAME FUNCTION WITHOUT COMPETING WITH THE HISTORIC TURRET. 
          RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          PATTY PRESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE ITEMS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, AGAIN, ITEM B ONE, UM, WE DO HAVE SPEAKER SIGNED IN SO WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER. 
          I MOVE, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS B TWO THROUGH B 15 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY, MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. 
          AY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          YOUR HONOR, THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 4 36 DEVINE 1 28 WEST FRENCH PLACE, 2 0 4 CITY 26 16 NORTH MAIN, 8 41 EAST GUNTHER 2 0 3 KING WILLIAM 10 23 HAYES, 3 28 EAST SUITE SATCH FOUR 20 EAST DEWEY THREE 14 LAMAR ONE 30, BOSTON 4 29 DEVINE AND 41 0 1 SWANS LANDING. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO SAVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          MA'AM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 
          [B-1 20-1193 Address/Description: 217 CEDAR ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-753 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: QUINN DENNIS C & CHEEVER JOAN M Request: Front porch railing installation City Council Dist.: 1]
B 1 2 17 CEDAR STREET. 
          UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM MARGARET LEEDS. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          REPRESENTING THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND STAFF FINDINGS. 
          AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE PHOTOS, PROJECTED FIVE OF THE SIX ADJACENT FOLK VICTORIAN STRUCTURES WITH CLASSICAL COLUMNS SUPPORTING FRONT PORCHES HAVE NO RAILINGS ON THEIR FRONT PORCHES. 
          IF THERE WAS HISTORICALLY NO PORCH RAILING GUIDELINES SEVEN B FOUR STIPULATES THAT NEW ELEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE ADDED THAT CREATE A FALSE HISTORIC APPEARANCE, GRANTED THAT THE PORCH IS A FEW FEET ABOVE THE GROUND. 
          IT HAS BEEN THAT WAY SINCE 1917. 
          LIKE MOST OF THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES OF THE SAME STYLE AND VINTAGE, WE THEREFORE DO NOT CONCUR WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST AS THE PROPOSED RAIL WOULD ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THIS HISTORIC HOME AND THE FABRIC OF THE STREET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE? WELL, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE APPLICANT, CONSIDERING THIS IS ON CONSENT, I I SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS AND I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAY NAY NAYYY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          HEY EDWARD, WILL YOU BRING THAT SCREEN UP ONE MORE TIME FOR A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS? SO SCROLL DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. UM, SO JUST ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE ROOM. 
          UM, ITEM B 16 2 14 LOTUS HAS BEEN POSTPONED. 
          IT'LL BE HEARD ON FEBRUARY 5TH. 
          UM, ITEM B 17, UM, TWO 19 ITEMS AND TWO 18 WIX. 
          UM, WE HAD COMMENTS ON EARLIER, UM, THAT HAS BEEN WITH WITHDRAWN, 
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UM, IS NOT RESET FOR A FUTURE HEARING AT THIS TIME. 
          AND ITEM B 23 1 69 GREEN LAWN HAS BEEN POSTPONED TO THE NEXT HEARING. 
          MOVING ON 
          [B-18 20-1177 Address/Description: 311 BARRERA HDRC Case No.: 2019-320 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Cotton Estes/HighCotton Architects PLLC Request: New construction of a 2-story single family structure City Council Dist.: 1]
TO B 18 H T R C CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH THREE 20. 
          ADDRESS, THREE 11 RERA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 2100 SQUARE FEET WITH AN ATTACHED CARPORT. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOW DEPTHS, CONFIGURATIONS AND SCREEN DESIGNS THAT REFLECT THE EXISTING PROPORTIONS AND PATTERNS ON THE BLOCK. 
          AS NOTED IN BINDING J AND SUBMITS DETAILED SPECIFICATION INFORMATION AND DRAWINGS TO ILLUSTRATE DEPTH PROPORTION, CONFIGURATION AND DETAILING THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. 
          TWO. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT RECONFIGURES THE FRONT FENESTRATION PATTERN THAT CLOSELY MATCH THE PROPOSAL REVIEWED AND APPROVED AT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL STAGE. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING J THREE IS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FRONT WALKWAY CONDITION THAT RESPONDS TO THE EXISTING CONTEXT OF THE DISTRICT, LIKE A POURED CONCRETE OR SIMILAR CONTINUOUS SURFACE. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING Q FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT ELIMINATES NON-NATIVE COVER, SUCH AS SHADOW STONE AND INCORPORATES ADDITIONAL DROUGHT TOLERANT AND NATIVE PLANTINGS, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT IMPERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS COVER CALCULATION FOR THE LOT FOR CONSIDERATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SUBSTANTIAL INTEGRATION OF MORE LANDSCAPING IN, IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED EXPANSES OF CONCRETE AND ROCK COVER AS NOTED IN BINDINGS K AND R. 
          AND FOR THAT, THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ADHERES TO OUR STANDARD STIPULATIONS APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. 
          HELLO EVERYBODY. 
          MY NAME IS NESSES. 
          IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL. 
          UM, I'M REPRESENTING TRACY COPP FOR THREE 11 RERA AND MY ADDRESS IS 6 0 6 DAWSON STREET, UM, HILL. 
          SO I'VE, UM, HAD SOME TIME TO REVIEW STAFF'S COMMENTS AND PREPARE A FEW RESPONSES SO THAT WE CAN, UM, CONSIDER THEIR, THEIR REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL DETAILS AND INFORMATION. 
          UM, SO THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UM, WE'VE SUBMITTED AND OFF THE BAT, UM, I'LL JUST ADDRESS, UH, FINDING NUMBER FIVE AND FOUR, UM, OUR ROOF SPECIFICATIONS AND DETAILS ADHERE, UM, TO THE REQUIREMENTS, SO I WON'T SPEAK TO THAT. 
          AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PLANTING PLAN, UM, WE'RE A LITTLE BEHIND IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, SO IF NEED BE, IF IT'S EASIER TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY, WE CAN SUBMIT THAT SEPARATELY AT A, AT A LATER DATE FOR A PLANTING APPROVAL. 
          BUT I WILL SPEAK TO, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVER RATIO, WALKWAY AND OF COURSE WINDOWS SO WE CAN DIVE RIGHT IN. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A FEW ADJUSTMENTS EVOLUTIONS IN THE DESIGNS SINCE, UM, THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND HAVE MOVED TOWARD GANGING TWO OF THE WINDOWS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY SEPARATED AND HAVE, UM, MADE A QUICK ILLUSTRATION TO LOOK AT THE COMPOSITION ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT THE NORTHERN EDGE OF PEREIRA AND OUR ADJACENT SINGLE STORY NEIGHBORS HERE AND THEN BELOW, UM, HIGHLIGHTING THE PATTERNS OF WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS IN BLACK THERE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DIAGRAMMATIC. 
          OF COURSE, SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE SET BACK FURTHER THAN OTHERS. 
          THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SILL HEIGHTS, BUT DIAGRAMMATICALLY, UM, WE'RE ALIGNING LATERALLY WITH THESE WINDOW HEAD HEIGHTS, TRANSOM HEIGHTS, AND, UM, SILL HEIGHTS OF A VERY TYPICAL DOUBLE HUNG, UH, WINDOW THAT YOU FIND IN THIS FOLK VICTORIAN ERA. 
          UM, AND THE EXCEPTION IS THAT WE'RE GANGING, UM, THESE TWO CLASSICALLY CLASSIC PROPORTIONED WINDOWS. 
          SO TWO BY 10 BY, UM, SEVEN FEET TALL WITH TWO FOOTHILL HEIGHTS. 
          SO WE'RE AMASSING THOSE. 
          UM, AS YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE HAND OF OUR ELEVATION, THE THIRD ILLUSTRATION, AND FROM THE RIGHT AND ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S 
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A VERY MODERN, UM, TWO STORY STUCCO DEVELOPMENT THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE A REAL ARRAY OF INTERPRETATIONS OF THE HISTORICAL, UH, PROPORTIONS AND SIZING AND, UH, PARTICULARLY CONFIGURATIONS. 
          SO WE'VE, UM, TRIED TO DEVELOP A LOGIC, KIND OF A, A KIT OF PARTS, AS YOU MIGHT FIND IN A HISTORICAL BUILDING THAT, UM, CONSISTS OF TRANSOM WINDOWS, THE PROPORTIONS OF A HISTORICAL, HISTORICALLY A TYPICAL DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW. 
          AND THEN THE IDEA OF AMASSING TWO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS TO FORM A LARGER SIMPLIFIED OPENING. 
          UM, I I PULLED UP THIS PRECEDENT. 
          THIS IS INDIGNITY HILL AND IT'S AN ADDITION TO A FOLK VICTORIAN, UM, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE WITH ACTUALLY FLO FLOOR TO CEILING DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS. 
          AND, UM, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. 
          IT WAS APPROVED EARLIER LAST YEAR, AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE OF THAT STRATEGY OF GANGING, UM, DOUBLE-HUNG WINDOWS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE'S PLYWOOD OVER THE HISTORICAL GANGED DOUBLE HUNG AND THE EXACT SAME PROPORTIONS, SIX FOOT BY NINE FOOT, UH, MODERN WINDOW TO THE LEFT. 
          SO IT'S CLEARLY RELATING TO THE PROPORTIONS, UM, WITH A, AN ADJUSTMENT SIMPLIFICATION IN ITS ARTICULATION, FEWER, UM, INTERIOR DIVISIONS. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING, SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR HERE. 
          AND I THINK GIVEN THE SMALL MASS WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE RIGHT, THE STUCCO VOLUME, IT'S, IT'S MORE PROPORTIONAL THAN THE DIVIDING THAT INTO THIRDS AND FIFTHS. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S OUR STRATEGY THERE. 
          UM, SO THE REQUEST FOR DETAILS AND COLOR, UM, INFORMATION OF, UH, PULLED UP A COUPLE SPECIFICS FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT DETAILS AND SPECIFICATIONS. 
          SO YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE OUR STRATEGY FOR THE RECESS ON THE, UM, WE'RE CALLING THESE PUNCH PUNCH WINDOWS. 
          THEY'RE SURROUNDED ON ALL FOUR SIDES BY STUCCO AND THEY'RE RECESSED THREE INCHES INSIDE, UH, OR BEYOND THE FACE OF STUCCO. 
          AND WE'RE ACHIEVING THAT THROUGH AN ALTERATION IN THE FRAMING. 
          UM, AND SOME CUSTOM CUSTOM FLASHING IN AREAS. 
          THIS IS, THAT CUSTOM PIECE OF FLASHING IS ONLY VISIBLE ON THE BACKSIDE, BUT IT'S, UM, SEEMS TO ACHIEVE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS THOSE DEEP, DEEP SHADOW LINES, A SENSE OF THE DEPTH OF THIS MASONRY STRUCTURE AND THAT THE WINDOWS ARE SET IN BEYOND THAT, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WOULD FIND IN A HISTORICAL MASONRY BUILDING. 
          SO ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE, UM, A FEW EXAMPLES ALL WITHIN LA VACA OF, OF THIS, UH, SORRY, THERE'S ONE, ONE EXAMPLE IN KING WILLIAM. 
          AND THESE ARE TRIM LIST AND SOLIS WINDOWS, UM, RECESSED INTO STUCCO MASON LEE MASONRY STRUCTURES. 
          UM, AND THIS SEEMS TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR A BUILDING THAT'S DIFFERING TO ITS HISTORICAL NEIGHBORS, UM, AND IS SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD IN IT'S OF INTENT, UH, WITH THE DETAILS. 
          AND, UM, FOR REFERENCE, THESE DETAILS APPLY TO THOSE FOUR WINDOWS AND THE WI WINDOW LEGEND, WHICH ARE THE ONES WE SEE ON THAT RIGHT HAND OF THE FRONT FACADE. 
          THESE SERIES OF DETAILS, UM, ARE IDENTICAL TO THE PREVIOUS, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING THE WOOD SCREEN AS THAT. 
          SO THIS IS TO ADDRESS, UM, STAFF'S LATER COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, THE WINDOW SCREENING IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, FROM FROM DAY ONE WE STUDIED, UM, SOME OF THE NEARBY SIDING PROFILES OF HISTORICAL BUILDINGS AND FOUND THAT, UM, THE OG LAPPING GAP VERY, VERY TYPICAL, UM, IN THESE PARTS FOR OF THIS ERA, UM, HAS, HAS A VERY CONSISTENT SHADOW LINE, ONE AND A HALF INCH SHADOW LINE, THREE AND A HALF INCH FACE EXPOSURE ON THE, UH, LAP AND GAP BOARD. 
          SO WE'VE CHOSEN A PATTERN FOR THESE WOOD, WOOD SCREENING SYSTEMS THAT, UM, RESPONDS TO THOSE, THOSE SHADOW LINES. 
          AND THAT'S THE SAME SCREENING SYSTEM THAT WE'RE USING AS ENCLOSURE ON THE UPPER STORY PORCH AS WELL AS ON THE WINDOWS. 
          THE WINDOWS ARE DISTINGUISHED FROM THE WRAPPED SCAN OF THE PORCH THROUGH A THIN ONE AND A HALF INCH CONTINUOUS FRAME ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          SO WHEN IT'S FRAME AND OPENING VERSUS ENCLOSING A SPACE, WE'VE ARTICULATED THAT THAT FRAME ON THE OUTER 
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OUTER FACE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THESE DETAILS. 
          UM, THE STYLES ARE TWO INCHES ON THESE WINDOWS. 
          THESE ARE, UM, MARVIN SIGNATURE ULTIMATE SERIES WITH BRONZE EXTERIOR CLADDING, WOOD FRAMED WINDOWS, NICE AND THIN, UH, PROFILES. 
          AND, UM, SO NEXT I'LL ADDRESS THE WALKWAY. 
          I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE, UM, SURVEY WE HAVE, YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A FIVE FOOT WIDTH WALKWAY TO THE LEFT. 
          SO A FIVE FOOT WALK WALKWAY ENTERS THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE AND EXITS  AS A FOUR FOOT, UM, SIDEWALK. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU CAN ZOOM INTO THE SURVEY, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT JOG TOOK PLACE WHERE THE, UM, DRIVEWAY CURB CUT USED TO BE. 
          SO WE'RE PROPOSING A FIVE FOOT, UM, WIDTH WALKWAY, SAME MATERIALS AND WIDTH AS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WITH BREAKS IN BETWEEN. 
          AND THAT'S, UM, VERY INTENTIONAL. 
          WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THIS VERY SMALL LOT. 
          UM, SO REALLY EVERYTHING WE CAN DO, UM, TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE PERCOLATION SURFACE AND AREA FOR PLANTING, UH, SIX INCHES IS PRETTY MINIMUM FOR PLANTING TO GROW IN BETWEEN THE PAVERS. 
          UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          AND I, I DO THINK THIS ALSO HELPS SOFTEN THE APPROACH. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN SOME SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES AROUND LE BACO, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT THERE OF UM, PROBABLY ATTEMPTS TO SOFTEN THAT LANDSCAPE AS YOU APPROACH THE HOUSE WHILE STILL PROVIDING A WELCOMING GENEROUS WALKWAY THAT REFERENCES, UM, ELEMENTS OF THE, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE STREETS SCAPE. 
          SO WE SEE, UM, ACTUALLY OUR DIRECT NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT USES FLAGSTONE AND TO THE RIGHT THEY'RE USING COBBLE, UM, I THINK PROBABLY CAST IN PLACE CONCRETE IS MORE, MORE APPROPRIATE, BUT WE HAVE A SIMILAR INTENTION TO INTRODUCE MORE OUS COVER AND, AND A SOFTER EDGE THERE. 
          UM, OR PURVIS PREVIOUS COVER HERE. 
          UM, THERE'S NO CIVIL ENGINEER ON BOARD, BUT I'VE DONE MY BEST TO, UM, CALCULATE A TENURE DESIGN STORM HERE AND ASSIGN OR, UM, REFERENCE RUNOFF COEFFICIENTS FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE COLOR CODING IS A TALLY OF FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, RUNOFF COEFFICIENTS. 
          SO THOSE VALUES IN THE THIRD COLUMN ARE ASSIGNED TO THOSE COLORED AREAS. 
          UM, FOR INSTANCE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ROOF AND CONJOINED CONCRETE HAVE A RUNOFF COEFFICIENT OF OF ONE, WHICH IS THE LEAST, WHICH MEANS THEY, THEY SHED VIRTUALLY ALL THE WATER COMPLETELY IMPERVIOUS. 
          WHEREAS OUR BIOFILTRATION SW UM, WE'RE ASSIGNING, UH, ZERO AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY CONSERVATIVE. 
          WE HOPE THAT IT CAN RETAIN, UM, ACTUALLY DO SOME DETENTION FOR US ON SITE, UH, FOR FROM RUNOFF FROM OTHER AREAS. 
          BUT WE'VE ASSIGNED ZERO THERE. 
          UM, CONSERVATIVELY THAT'S, THAT'S UM, A 30 INCH DEEP BIOFILTRATION MEDIA, UM, DESIGNED TO ASSIST PERCOLATION AND HOPEFULLY PERFORM SOME, SOME RETENTION. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO STORING 2000 GALLONS OF RAINWATER AND REUSING THAT TO, UM, REFILL THE POOL AND FOR ALL THE IRRIGATION NEEDS. 
          SO THAT'S BEEN SIZED AND ACCORDING TO OUR CISTERN CALCULATOR, THAT'S CAPTURING ABOUT 95% OF THAT SMALL ROOF AREA. 
          SO AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WHEN IT RAINS, IT POURS IN TEXAS. 
          SO THE, THE RAIL TRUCK WITH CISTERN, SIZINGS TO CAPTURE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IN THOSE DOWNPOURS AND THEN STRETCH IT OUT, UM, THROUGH THE D DRY SPELLS. 
          SO WE'RE ASSIGNING, UM, A VERY LOW RATIO TO THAT PORTION OF THE ROOF. 
          THE REST IS IMPERVIOUS, OF COURSE. 
          AND THEN THE PATIO AREAS, THE WALKWAY AREAS AND THE NATIVE LANDSCAPE, UM, AND THE GRAVEL DRIVE ARE ALL A MIX OF VARYING DEGREES OF NESS FOR THE, THE BASE LAYERS, THE FILL. 
          UM, THE GRAVEL DRIVE HAS TO BE MORE COMPACTED, BUT WE THINK THAT'S MUCH LESS, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVER THAN A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING GRAVEL THERE. 
          AND WE WOULD LIKE TO USE, UM, GAPPED PAVERS IN AREAS WHERE FOOT, FOOT STEP IS, IS REQUIRED NEAR THE, THE POOL FOR DRY SURFACES AND AT, AT THE WALKWAY AS WELL. 
          UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
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THE STAFF HAS NOT HAD TIME TO REVIEW ANY OF THIS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          I JUST WILL ADD THAT THE DRAWINGS ARE THE SAME AS THE CONSTRUCTION DOC. 
          THE DETAILS AND SITE PLAN ARE DIRECTLY FROM THE SET THAT WAS, THAT WAS SUBMITTED. 
          I KNOW. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE, UM, THE STIPULATIONS ARE PRETTY HEAVY. 
          THEY'RE NOT LIGHT STIPULATIONS, I WOULD SAY. 
          AND I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS AND SOMETIMES, UM, I MEAN I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO TO STATE WHY YOU'VE DONE THE CHANGES AND, AND MAYBE, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, I MEAN WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS WERE FINE. 
          I IF YOU WANNA GO DOWN THE, THE STIPULATIONS I, I FEEL LIKE ON THE WINDOWS, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHY DID YOU CHANGE? 'CAUSE I LIKED THE ORIGINAL DESIGN THAT WE DID ON CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND CHANGING A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS LIKE A BIG CHANGE. 
          AND THEN ON NUMBER TWO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, THE FRONT WALKWAY, I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THAT. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH YOU DID FIND EXAMPLES AND LAVA IS A DIFFICULT, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK YOU CAN FIND MATERIALS CLOSER TO WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE. 
          AND THEN I THINK STAFF ALSO IS VERY IMPORTANT IS THE LANDSCAPING. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THIS SLOT, SO JUST SUBMITTING IT LATER, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, HELP US REALLY ON THE COVER. 
          UH, THIS IS MORE LIKE WHERE THE BRAIN IS. 
          I I THINK YOU'VE DONE THIS MANY TIMES TO KNOW THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS A BIG LOT RATIO OF WHICH IS COMMON BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL LOT. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND UM, AND THE ROOF METAL, YOU SAID YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE STIPULATION BECAUSE YOU'RE DRAWINGS SHOW 24 INCH, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE ON THE ROOF, UH, THEY SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE 18, UM, OR SOMEWHERE IN THE COMMENTS. 
          I THINK IT WAS SPECIFICATIONS, IT SAID 24 INCHES. 
          SO I MEAN THAT, SO THAT ONE I'LL FOR THAT'S STIPULATION FIVE WE CAN SAY HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER ON PARTICULARLY ITEM THREE. 
          WE'VE SEEN, UH, SIDEWALKS LIKE THIS COME AS COMPLIANCE CASES A LOT OF TIMES AND THE IMAGES, IT REALLY STANDS OUT WHEN THAT ISN'T, UH, IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT STANDS OUT. 
          UM, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS A A, A FIVE FOOT WIDE WALK AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FIVE FOOT WIDE WIDE WALK THERE. 
          AND MANY CASES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CLOSER TO THREE FEET, CORRECT? UM, THE SIDEWALK WIDTH, YOU MEAN? MAYBE THREE, THREE OR FOUR. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN NORMAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT BECAUSE THERE'S ONE THERE IN THERE, I THINK THERE, YOU SAID THERE'S ONE ON, ON THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. 
          I'M, I'M FINE WITH A LITTLE BIT WIDER WALK THAN IS A TYPICAL, BUT NOT, NOT THE, THE SLOTTED STRIPES OUT, UM, PRETTY STRONGLY. 
          UM, AS FOR THE WINDOWS, I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING ON HERE. 
          UM, THE LANDSCAPING, I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING ACTION ON TODAY THE MORE, UH, SPECIFICS. 
          BUT THE, UH, PREVIOUS DESIGN SHOWED THREE EQUAL STRIPS AND I THINK THE GANGING, THE GANGING OF TWO, BRINGS A BETTER PROPORTION TO THE FACADE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S ON, UM, SLIDE TWO. 
          IF WE COULD GO TO SLIDE TWO, I THINK THIS DIAGRAM, UH, GIVES ME SOME COMFORT THAT THAT'S IN THE CHARACTER OF, OF THE NEIGHBOR. 
          THERE ARE OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE WINDOWS. 
          WELL, ON THAT, LIKE SPECIFICALLY ON THIS ONE, WHAT MY PROBLEM, OR MAYBE LIKE YOU, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY, I THINK YOU STATE YOUR CASE ON THE BOTTOM WINDOWS. 
          I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TOP, THE DIFFERENCE IN WIDTH, WHICH I LIKED IN THE PREVIOUS AND IN ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU HAVE, THE WIDTHS OF THE WINDOWS ARE ALL THE SAME AND YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WIDTHS ON THE WINDOWS. 
          AND I THINK THAT MAY BE WHAT IS CONCERNING ME. 
          IF I COULD, UM, RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHY, WHY WE CHANGED AFTER CONCEPTUAL. 
          UM, WE WERE CONTINUING TO MASSAGE THE PLAN AND THERE ARE INTERIOR CHANGES THAT HAPPEN OF COURSE, BUT WE WERE FORTUNATELY ABLE TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THE MASSING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT VOLUME. 
          SO, UM, THE THREE WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE SUDDENLY FELT A LITTLE BIT BUSIER AND MORE TIGHTLY SPACED THAN THE NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND IT SEEMED TO BE OVER ARTICULATED VERSUS MAYBE A MORE SIMPLE, UM, GANGED APPROACH WITH A LARGER OPENING. 
          WOULD YOU BE WILLING, LIKE NONE OF THE HOUSES, MOST OF THE HOUSES IN BARRA, ONE STORY, YOURS IS TWO STORY. 
          IF WE COMPARE WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH ARE THE TWO STORY, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW EXACT MEASUREMENTS, BUT THEY SEEM LIKE, UH, THE TWO SECOND STORY WINDOWS ARE THE SAME WIDTH. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD APPLY ON THAT SECOND FLOOR 
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SO THEY WOULD NOT ALIGN WITH THE FIRST STORY WINDOWS? I MEAN, UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I GUESS SHOWING IT MORE? YEAH, I MEAN ONE IS A FRONT DOOR, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A WINDOW. 
          THERE, THERE ARE WINDOWS SHOWN IN THE BLOCK HERE, WINDOWS. 
          ALL FOUR OF THEM ARE WINDOWS. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD ALIGN NOT, NOT ONLY TOP AND BOTTOM, I WOULD ALIGN THE WIDTHS BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM. 
          I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. 
          ALL THESE THREE WINDOWS ARE THE SAME WIDTH. 
          THE OTHER VERSION, OTHER HOUSES, THEY HAVE SAME WIDTH ON, ON THE FENESTRATIONS NOW WHEN THERE'S FOUR OF COURSE THEY'RE JUST MIRRORING EACH OTHER. 
          WE CUT THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M MISSING IN YOURS. 
          YEAH, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE HISTORICALLY THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS AND ONE IS A, A GANGED DOUBLE HUNG, WHICH FORMS IF YOU, YOU KNOW, SIMPLIFIED THAT IT'S, IT'S TOGETHER A MUCH LARGER OPENING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE GDD FORM DOWN THE STREET ON THE FAR RIGHT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT FELT MORE PROPORTIONAL TO US ON THE, ON THE, UM, FACADE. 
          BUT I'M, I'M JUST STILL NOT COMFORTABLE HOW THE FIRST FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS ARE, ARE SEEN TOGETHER. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, UM, MY COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, I DO FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE FINAL. 
          UM, I, I AGREE THAT THE LANDSCAPE, THE LANDSCAPE I DON'T THINK IS SOMETHING I JUST WANT TO, UH, KICK TO STAFF TO SORT OUT. 
          AND THAT I THINK THAT SHOULD COME BACK WHEN IT COMES TO THE, TO THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, I THINK THE PREVIOUS, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THE FENESTRATION PATTERN, UH, IS AN OPTION. 
          AND THIS IS THE OTHER OPTION. 
          I I UNDERSTAND THE GANGED GEOMETRY, UH, AND KIND OF REMOVING WHAT WOULD BE THE CENTER MOLE CAPTURING THE PROPORTIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT ACTUALLY BEING A GANGED WINDOW AND HAVING A CENTER MALL? WE COULD, UM, ACTUALLY GANG, GANG WINDOWS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO SPLITTING THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONCEALED, UM, YOU WOULD SEE IT BEHIND THE COLUMN, THE UPPER MILLION OF THE, UM, THE, IT'S THE UPPER FLOOR THAT PROBABLY IS EXPOSED AND HAVING A VERTICAL ELEMENT THAT IS CAPTURING THE GEOMETRY OF THE WINDOWS AND THE PATTERN, ADDING THAT CENTER MU UH, TO ME BREAKS DOWN THAT MASS INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, QUICK QUESTION. 
          THE SCREENS, ARE THERE SCREENS ON ALL FOUR OF THESE WINDOWS OR NONE OF THESE WINDOWS? THE BOTTOM, BOTTOM WINDOWS, UM, SORRY, I'LL GO BACK TO A LARGER ELEVATION HERE. 
          THE BOTTOM TWO WINDOWS AND THOSE ARE REMOVABLE HUNG, UM, PRIVACY SCREENS. 
          SO I, I AGREE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE. 
          I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, BUT I, I DON'T SEEM TO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOWS, THE GANGED WINDOWS. 
          SO I, I I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO APPROVE, UM, THE ITEMS EXCLUDING THE LANDSCAPE ON FINAL? YEAH, I MEAN, ANY ITEM THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO RETURN CAN, THAT COULD BE A STIPULATION TO THE APPROVAL. 
          CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH IN, UH, I THINK THE ADDITION OF THE, UH, VERTICAL MALL, UM, HELP, UH, IN DEFINING THAT IT IS A GANG WINDOW, ESPECIALLY ON THE UPPER WINDOW, WHICH IS, UM, MORE PROMINENT THAN THE, THAN THE LOWER ONE. 
          SO I, I COULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          UH, ADDITION. 
          I'M GONNA ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          UH, WHAT DIMENSION DO WE THINK THAT THAT MOLE NEEDS TO BE TO FOR? DOES IT NEED TO REFLECT A GANG OR DOES IT NEED TO, CAN IT BE SINGULAR? I THINK TO ME IT'S THE, THE BREAK IN THE SHEET OF GLASS. 
          SO I, I DON'T HAVE PARTICULAR, UH, CONCERNS. 
          I THINK THE WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE SPECIFIED WOULD GENERATE A MALL OF. 
          YOU HAVE A, A THOUGHT OF WHAT THAT, WHAT SIZE THAT WOULD BE. 
          IT COULD BE A SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE VERY THIN. 
          UM, MORE LIKE A HISTORICAL MULIAN OR IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY MULLING TWO THAT FRAME WINDOWS, I THINK WINDOWS, I THINK WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS MULLING TWO WINDOWS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT 
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WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THIS DETAIL HERE. 
          YOU SEE IN THE TYPICAL, UM, SORRY, THAT'S MISLABELED. 
          IT SHOULD BE HEAD SEAL ON THE RIGHT. 
          SO THE HEAD OF THE LOWER WINDOW IS MEETING THE TRANSOM UP ABOVE AND IT'S ONE AND A HALF INCH THICK PLUS THE WINDOW, WINDOW FRAME. 
          UM, SO WE, WE WERE USING, YOU KNOW, SAT WINDOWS WITH SASHES TWO INCH THICK SASHES ON THESE, ON THESE WINDOWS. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER USING A MUCH THINNER MULIAN TO DIVIDE THOSE VERSUS, UM, UNNECESSARILY MULLING MULLING, UM, TWO SEPARATE SASH SASH WINDOWS. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BOTH FIXED, FIXED WINDOWS. 
          UM, SO THE SASH SASH IS THERE REALLY TO LOOK HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AND DISTINGUISH THESE FROM MORE MODERN WINDOWS ON THE BACKSIDE. 
          YEAH, I, I WOULD HATE TO MOLD THIS WINDOW. 
          I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT BEHIND IT, BUT I JUST, I HATE THE IDEA OF, OF DOING THAT TO THIS MODERN DESIGN WHEN IT'S THE MODERN DES DESIGN OF THE WINDOW IS MEETING THE INTERPRETATION OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. 
          I I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I, I WOULD HATE THE MOLD THIS WINDOW JUST FOR MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          I AGREE. 
          . 
          WELL, THE, THE THOUGHT, THE THOUGHT OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, THE THICKNESS OF IT, I MEAN, I THINK IS RELEVANT. 
          I THINK A THIN DIMENSION THERE WOULD, WOULD SERVE THE PURPOSE IN BREAKING LARGER PIECE OF GLASS, WHICH ISN'T WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE ON THIS BLOCK. 
          SO I THINK THE WAY YOU'VE PROPOSED THE DESIGN, UH, READS WELL, UNBROKEN. 
          IT'S THE TEXTURE AND THE PATTERN THAT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT. 
          UM, IF, OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE DO SEE MANY INSTANCES OF THIS, THIS APPROACH. 
          UM, THE SECOND IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM ARE SIMILAR PROPORTIONS. 
          I'M LOOKING AT 3 21 RERA. 
          OKAY, WE GO BACK TO THE WINDOW. 
          GO BACK TO SLIDE 2 0 3 21, RERA 3 21, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE GOT, UH, A WINDOW BAY THAT'S PROPORTIONALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND IT'S DIVIDED. 
          YES. 
          AND IT WOULD TYPICALLY, THAT PIECE OF TRIM IS FIVE AND A HALF INCHES, UM, WHICH WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DIVISION. 
          AND MY, MY, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT HERE IS NOT TO BE IDENTICAL. 
          UH, THEY'RE NOT TRIMMED WINDOWS. 
          SO WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY THIN PIECE OF STUCCO, UM, WITH WINDOWS THAT ARE DEEPLY RECESSED, THAT STARTS BECOMING PROBLEMATIC KIND OF FREEDOM. 
          AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. 
          UM, I'M GONNA TRY A MOTION HERE AND WE'LL SEE HOW WE GO TO COME BACK AROUND. 
          WE'LL DO THAT. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THREE, WITH STAFF STIPULATION FOUR THAT THE LANDSCAPE RETURN FOR FINAL APPROVAL, UH, AND STAFF STIPULATION FIVE. 
          JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IF LANDSCAPING PLAN IS MISSING, UM, CAN WE STILL MOVE FOR FINAL AND THEN SHE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK? YES. 
          MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAY NAY. 
          AYE. 
          PASSES. 
          UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
          JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY ON, ON EVERYTHING, BUT WE'LL COME BACK FOR THE LANDSCAPE, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. 
          WITH WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THE WALK. 
          ON THE, ON THE WALK, THE FRONT WALK, YES. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [B-19 20-1157 Address/Description: 515 NOLAN HDRC Case No.: 2019-759 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: 515 NOLAN ST SERIES Request: Construction of an addition, modifications to an accessory City Council Dist.: 2]
AGENDA ITEM B 19, CASE NUMBER 20 19 7 59 AT FIVE 15 NOLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A 646 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION WITH THE TOWER ELEMENT AND TWO TO RELOCATE FIVE WINDOWS AND OPENINGS FROM THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATIONS. 
          AND THREE, MODIFY THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REAR ADDITION WITH WINDOW RELOCATION AS PROPOSED BASED ON FINDING B THROUGH M. 
          IF THE COMMISSION IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FALLING STIPULATION ONE THAT THE TWO STORY TOWER ELEMENT AND TERRA SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN OR REDUCED IN HEIGHT AND INTEGRATED INTO THE EXISTING ROOF TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT RIGHT OF WAY. 
          TWO, THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS 
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ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SHOULD REMAIN IN PLACE. 
          NEW WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE SIDE AND REAR ELEVATION MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          RESPONSE TO PROPOSED ADDITION AND NEW INTERIOR FULLER PLAN THREE, THAT THE NEW WINDOWS AND OPENINGS SHOULD RELATE TO THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY ADHERING TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ALUMINUM OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WITH DIVIDED LIGHTS AND SIZES MATCHING ANY EXISTING WINDOW MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE IF TRUE CASEMENT WINDOWS CANNOT BE REPLICATED. 
          AND FOUR FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED AND CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, HARDY PLANK SIDING WITH, UH, PROFILE COMPARABLE TO THAT FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SUCH AS FOUR INCH EXPOSURE WITH SMOOTH FINISH AND NO FAUX WOOD GRAIN WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. 
          STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO MODIFY THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING AND WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE GARAGE DOOR OPENING IS NOT TO BE REMOVED. 
          APPROPRIATE GARAGE DOOR REPLACEMENT OR TREATMENT MAY BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY AND THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND DOORS SHOULD RELATE TO THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE ACCESSORY AND PRIMARY STRUCTURES, WHICH MAY INCLUDE THE USE OF A TRADITIONAL WOOD PANEL DOOR AND DIVIDED LIGHT ALUMINUM WINDOWS OF HIS EXISTING SIZES. 
          IF TRUE CASEMENT WINDOWS CANNOT BE REPLICATED, WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT UP AT THIS TIME, UH, WILL NOT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM AS WELL. 
          HELLO, UH, MY NAME'S RAUL JIMENEZ AND I'M WORKING WITH SERGIO AND WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH STAFF FOR THE LAST TWO, THREE MONTHS TRYING TO GET THIS PROJECT, UH, COMPLETED. 
          UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S REFERENCE, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN, UH, COOPERATIVE TO MOST OF THE STIPULATIONS, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO, UH, SPECIFICALLY CONSIDER THE TOWER ELEMENT OTHER THAN THE TOWER ELEMENT. 
          DO YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, YES SIR. 
          UM, THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAVE IS FOR THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, WHICH IS THE CONVERSION OF THE GARAGE. 
          UH, WE WERE PLANNING ON MAKING THAT LIKE A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE, SO THE GARAGE DOOR IS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE THOUGHT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF, UM, COMPROMISE OR MAYBE, UM, HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ON THAT. 
          WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, AND UM, HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION FOR THE TOWER ELEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO BASED OFF THAT, UH, THE TOWER HEIGHT, I BELIEVE WE HAD SAID THAT IT MIGHT PROTRUDE TOO MUCH FROM THE, THE STREET VIEW. 
          UM, WE HAVE A, WE SHOULD HAVE A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF US. 
          UH, THAT SHOWS THAT IT WON'T BE AS TALL AS THAT RIDGE LINE. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD BE, SINCE IT WOULD BE LIKE A, A DEN, LIKE A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE DEN. 
          SO YOU COULD SEE A VIEW OF THE CITY, UH, THE CITY SKYLINE. 
          UH, WE COULD CONSIDER REDUCING IT POSSIBLY SIX INCHES OR SO, UH, TO MEET, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR REQUIREMENTS IF POSSIBLE. 
          WHAT IS YOUR CEILING HEIGHT NOW ON THAT SECOND FLOOR? I BELIEVE IT'S A EIGHT FOOT. 
          WE HAVE A EIGHT FOOT CAP ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN AN EIGHT ON TOP. 
          BUT IF WE REDUCED IT TO SAY SEVEN SIX, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE ADEQUATE? WELL, BEFORE WE GET INTO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A CI CITIZEN TO BE HEARD, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROPOSE ON THE, UH, REAR STRUCTURE? ON THE REAR STRUCTURE? UH, LET'S SEE. 
          DO WE HAVE A, SO THAT'S THE EXISTING OBVIOUSLY, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE WHERE ACTUALLY, UH, WHERE WE WOULD WANT TO CONVERT IT OVER INTO LIKE A FULL STRUCTURE TO WHERE THERE'S WINDOWS THERE. 
          AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THERE'S A FENCE AND YOU CANNOT EVEN SEE THAT FROM THE STREET VIEW. 
          SO THAT SECONDARY STRUCTURE IS PRETTY MUCH SOLELY FOR THE BACKYARD. 
          [01:05:04]
OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S HAVE OUR CITIZEN TO BE HEARD AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND, UM, COMMISSIONERS WILL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AGREES WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FIVE 15 NOLAN. 
          THE PROPOSED TWO STORY TOWER AND TERRACE EDITION ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE FORM AND DO NOT RELATE TO THE SURROUNDING DESIGN VOCABULARY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, PETTY ZS PRESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET'S TACKLE ONE OF THESE AT A TIME. 
          SO, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THE TOWER? WELL, UM, I GUESS MY, MY COMMENTS IS THAT IN REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THIS SILK OR THIS ROOF, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO MAKE THE SPACE UNUSABLE, BUT IT SEEMS TO JUST BE TOO TALL GIVEN THE CURRENT PROPORTIONS OF THE HOUSE. 
          I, I AGREE WITH STAFF ON THEM. 
          ON THE MASSING ISSUE OF THE TUR RAISES KIND OF A, A, A REALLY BIG MASS ON THE SIDE. 
          NOW YOU DID HAVE A DRAWING IF YOU COULD PULL IT BACK UP THAT SHOWED THE POINT OF VIEW HOW THAT MASS FALLS BACK FROM THE STREET. 
          BUT MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT'S MORE OR LESS WIDTH TO WIDTH AND THAT THAT MASS IS GONNA BE PERCEIVED IN MOST POSITIONS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING IN THIS DIRECTION ON THE BLOCK, JUST NOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR ON THAT SIDEWALK. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S STILL AN ISSUE. 
          STAFF HAS IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, HAVE IT RIGHT ON THE GARAGE. 
          I HAD ONE QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON THE TOWER. 
          IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S HARD BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE, HOW IT IS AND, AND YEAH. 
          UM, MAYBE SOME KIND OF BALCONY OR SOMETHING. 
          MAYBE YOU CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO GET THAT DOWNTOWN VIEW. 
          UM, ON THE GARAGE. 
          HAS THIS ALWAYS BEEN A GARAGE? WAS IT ON THE SANBORN MAP WITH THAT, UM, DESIGN? YES. 
          STAFF FINDS THAT TO BE A CONTRIBUTING ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS THE, UH, HOW YOU CAN, UM, MAYBE GET SOME WINDOW LIGHT IS REPLACING THE GARAGE DOOR AND OPENING UP TWO OF THE SQUARES WITH WINDOWS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY I WOULD BE LOOKING AT A GOOD ACCEPT. 
          MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE APPLICANT IS TRYING, IS PROPOSING TO FILL IN THE CURRENT CARPORT AREA WITH A FLUSH FACE WALL, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA PUT A RESTROOM. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE FRONT STRUCTURE, UH, WITH THE SIDING IF POSSIBLE. 
          UH, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A WORKABLE SOLUTION, UH, TO ADAPTING THAT GARAGE. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S THIS SOLUTION BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S ERASING THE MASS AND LEGIBILITY OF THAT. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO COME BY AND DO A D R C WHERE YOU CAN MEET WITH US AND WE CAN KIND OF TALK THROUGH SOME OF THESE ISSUES MORE SPECIFICALLY AND MAYBE HELP, UH, ORIENT SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS TO MEET YOUR NEEDS? YEAH, WE'D UH, WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT. 
          ACTUALLY. 
          WE PARTICIPATED IN ONE BEFORE. 
          UH, AND IS THERE, THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED, RIGHT? A D R C. 
          SO WE DID PARTICIPATE IN ONE OF THOSE BEFORE. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'VE KIND OF MOLDED TO GET HERE. 
          HAVE THOSE STAFF COMMENTS FROM THAT D R C MEETING? UH, YES, I BELIEVE SO. 
          JUST FOR FUTURES, CAN WE HAVE STAFF, UH, PUT THAT IN, IN THE APPLICATION COMMENTS THAT THERE WAS A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMENTS ARE IN THE PACKAGE? YES, STAFF USUALLY DOES. 
          I FORGOT IT THIS TIME. 
          I APOLOGIZE IF I WAS AT THIS D R C MEETING AND WE DID DISCUSS THE, THE HEIGHT AND MASSING OF THAT, UH, TOWER 
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AND WAS, THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A RELATION TO THE, TO THE FRONT, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UM, REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT COMMENTS WE, WE GAVE YOU. 
          I'M NOT SURE WE ACTUALLY SAW DRAWINGS FOR THE GARAGE AT THAT TIME. 
          THIS IS MY PARTNER SERGIO. 
          HE, HE WAS DELAYED. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL, LET'S DO THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK THE TOWER, EVEN IF WE MOVE THIS TO D R C WITH THE TOWER, I THINK THE TOWER'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. 
          SO EITHER YOU WOULD DRAW THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION, BUT I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST LET'S DO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE ON THE GARAGE IF YOU WANT TO OR IF NOT. 
          UM, BASICALLY WHAT THE STIPULATION IS SAYING IS THAT YOU KEEP THE GARAGE DOOR, REPLACE IT, AND YOU CAN DO AN INTERNAL WALL, BUT THE GARAGE DOOR REMAINS AS IS. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY VOTE ON TODAY. 
          THERE MIGHT ALSO, BUT THAT DOES NOT. 
          OF COURSE NOT. 
          UM, YEAH, NO, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE, THAT'S JUST THE GARAGE DOOR, I WOULD SAY ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMENTS, WASN'T THERE, OTHER THAN THE GARAGE DOOR. 
          THERE MIGHT ALSO BE SOME CONFIGURATION THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO, UM, WITH THE BEDROOM. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MASTER BATH REQUIRES A SMALLER WINDOW AND SOME, AND SOME REWORK OF THAT, BUT THE MASTER BEDROOM WOULD GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY ON HOW YOU USE THE OPENING FOR WHERE THAT GARAGE DOOR IS. 
          UM, SO THERE MIGHT BE A CREATIVE WAY TO USE THAT OPENING AND STILL KEEP THE OPENING THERE. 
          SO I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, I, I STILL THINK A D R C WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE HERE, UH, ON BOTH ITEMS, JUST IN CASE YOU GUYS WANTED TO RETAIN THAT ROOF DECK AND NOT USE MAYBE THE, THE DEN THAT'S UPSTAIRS THAT'S DESIGNED, BUT BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT DECK. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WORK THROUGH, BUT I THINK AS PRESENTED IT, IT, IT WON'T PASS IN MY OPINION. 
          SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND A D R C. 
          UH, I WOULD MOVE TO SEND THIS TO D R C SECOND MOTION AND SECOND TO SEND THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [B-20 20-1254 Address/Description: 2015 W MISTLETOE HDRC Case No.: 2019-744 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: RODRIGUEZ RALPH & SONIA Request: Removal of side chimney City Council Dist.: 7]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 7 44 20 15 WEST MISSILE TOE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE EXISTING SIDE. 
          CHIMNEY STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CHIMNEY BASED ON FINDING. 
          B. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING CHIMNEY BE REPAIRED OR RECONSTRUCTED USING SALVAGED BRICK TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT DRAWINGS FOR ITS RECONSTRUCTION TO STAFF PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          THE APPLICANT HERE, PLEASE, RALPH RODRIGUEZ. 
          I RETIRED 1114 MARE PEAK DRIVE. 
          UM, FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF NOT TEARING DOWN THE, UH, CHINEY TALK TO DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, THEY TELL ME THAT BEFORE ANYTHING CAN BE DONE, THE FOUNDATION UNDERNEATH OF CHINEY HAS TO BE LEVELED AND THEN STABILIZED. 
          SO FAR, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANYBODY WHO WILL DO THAT, AND I'M STILL WORKING ON THAT. 
          SO FOR THE TIME BEING, I'M KIND OF AT A STANDSTILL. 
          I'M DOING RESEARCH AND TRYING TO FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL DO THAT. 
          I EVEN TALK TO PEOPLE THAT DO THE, THE RAM JACK AND THEY WOULDN'T DO IT. 
          UM, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO RECONSTRUCTING IT IF IT CAN'T BE, UH, REPAIRED IN PLACE? WELL, EVEN THEN THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO UNDERNEATH AND SO WE DO ALL THAT. 
          THE BASE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IT MIGHT, MIGHT REQUIRE DISMANTLING THE CHIMNEY, PUTTING IN THE FOUNDATION AND THEN BUILDING IT BACK. 
          RIGHT. 
          WOULD YOU BE, UH, WELL AGREEABLE TO THAT? HERE AGAIN, IT, THE COST WOULD BE QUITE A BIT, SO I'M TRYING TO ESTIMATE SOME PEOPLE AND SEE WHAT I CAN COME UP WITH. 
          WHAT WOULD BE THE REAL SOLUTION TO REDO THE WHOLE THING? SIR? SIR, IS THE, THE ISSUE WITH FINDING A CONTRACTOR, FINDING A CONTRACTOR AT THE RIGHT PRICE, OR ARE YOU JUST HAVING TROUBLE FINDING SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE SKILLSET TO DO THIS? HOW, WHO WOULD DO THE LEVELING AND THE STABILIZING UNDERNEATH THE GROUND? DO YOU LIVE IN THE HOME? PARDON? DO YOU LIVE IN THE HOME? NO. 
          YOU'RE CURRENTLY REHABBING THE WHOLE HOUSE? YEAH, EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GONNA REDO THE WHOLE HOUSE. 
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YEAH, I HAD THOUGHT THAT MAYBE IT WAS A HOUSE THAT WAS LEANING, BUT THIS A COMBINATION OF BOTH. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY GOING WITH. 
          UM, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THIS, THAT THIS CHIMNEY SHOULD BE RECONSTRUCTED OR MAINTAINED SOMEHOW, UM, AS IS ON THE HOUSE, BUT IF WE START DOING WORK ON THE HOME AS A PROJECT AS A WHOLE, I MEAN, YOU MAY GET A BETTER PRICE AND ALSO MAYBE GET SOME MONEY BACK. 
          UM, OH, I, I MEAN THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE STRONGEST FEATURES ON THE, UH, IT'S A VERY PROMINENT FEATURE ON THE FRONT OF THIS HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN, IN DEALING WITH ITS REPAIR, IF IT'S REPAIR REQUIRES DECONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND. 
          AND IN WHICH CASE, I THINK YOU CAN WORK WITH, UH, STAFF TO SORT THAT OUT. 
          LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          THE COMMUNITY WAS PAINTED SOMETIME, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS AGO. 
          WOULD THAT HAVE TO GO, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL COLOR OR WOULD THAT THING LIKE THAT YOU DISMANTLE AND RECONSTRUCT? I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE USING THE SAME MATERIALS AND I THINK STAFF WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE PAINTED BECAUSE IT'S PAINTED NOW, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE. 
          I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION. 
          I I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE THAT DISCRETION. 
          IF YOU'RE DISMANTLING IT, THERE'S GONNA BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE BRICK THAT DOESN'T SURVIVE AND YOU'LL HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S A CLOSE MATCH AND WE CAN, UH, CAN VISIT WITH US. 
          IF YOU WANT SOME ADVICE ON, ON HOW TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS BEST IF YOU CAN PRESERVE IT IN PLACE, REPAIR IT WITHOUT TAKING IT DOWN. 
          SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE LOOKING INTO THAT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THE ITEM FOR DEMOLITION OTHER THAN TO DENY IT. 
          YOU CAN COME BACK IF SOMETHING ELSE CHANGES OR YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL, UH, AND STAFF MAY BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          SO, UH, I MOVE FOR DENIAL. 
          SECOND THE MOTION AND SECOND FOR DENIAL. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIR, WE HAD A CASE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WHEN THEY LEVELED THE FOUNDATION, THE CHIMNEY FELL APART. 
          SO MAYBE YOU WANNA DO THAT FIRST AND THEN IT WAS EXACTLY IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK THEY WOULD'VE TO REMOVE AT LEAST HALF OF IT TO BE ABLE TO STABILIZE EVERYTHING. 
          SO YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN, UH, GIVE YOU AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR RESTORATION OF THAT CHIMNEY AS WELL AS, UH, THE, THE REST OF THE, THE HOUSE I TO PLAN THE CONTRACTORS AND STUFF WILL BRING IN DRAWINGS AND THINGS AND, UH, GO FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA 
          [B-21 20-1181 Address/Description: 427 ADAMS ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-754 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Sue Ann Pemberton/Mainstreet Architects Inc. Request: Construction of an addition City Council Dist.: 1]
ITEM NUMBER B 21 H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 7 54 4 27 4 27 ADAM STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE DETACHED GARAGE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR DETACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS WITH PROPORTIONS MORE TRADITIONAL TO THE STYLE OF THE REAR DETACHED GARAGE AND PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          AND CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THEIR DRAWINGS TO REMOVE TWO OF THE LARGE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND HAS PROPOSED, UH, KEEPING ONE SMALL HORIZONTAL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT UP AT THIS TIME. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE A SPEAKER ON THE ITEM. 
          I'M SUE ANN PEMBERTON AND I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR 4 27 ADAMS. UM, YEAH, WE REALIZED THAT THE, UH, THE TALLER, THE TALL NARROW WINDOWS, HIGH NARROW WINDOWS WERE, UM, PROBABLY NOT THE BEST SOLUTION. 
          UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THE, THE LOTS ON A ATOMS IS THAT THEY GO THE FULL DEPTH. 
          AND SO THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE REAR IS WIX. 
          IT'S AN ACTUAL STREET AND NOT AN ALLEY. 
          SO WE WANTED TO AVOID PUTTING, UH, LIKE A DOUBLE HUNG PROPORTIONAL WINDOW ON THE WIX STREET SIDE, WHICH IS THAT SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, BECAUSE OF SECURITY, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE STREET. 
          UM, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING THOUGH IS TO MIMIC WHAT'S ON THE WEST EXISTING, UM, ELEVATION OF THE GARAGE. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH WE'VE ONLY DRAWN THE ONE WINDOW, WE'D BE WILLING TO PUT IN THE TWO WINDOWS SO THAT THE WEST, UH, UH, THE EXISTING WEST ELEVATION, UM, IS JUST REPLICATED AS THE EAST ELEVATION AS WELL. 
          UH, OF COURSE WE'VE LOWERED THE ROOF HEIGHTS AND THINGS, BUT, UH, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION AND, AND REVISION. 
          WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THE SMALLER, UM, HIGH WINDOW JUST BECAUSE THAT'S IN A SHOWER AND WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME LIGHT IN THAT END OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. 
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ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S HEAR THE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD, THEN WE'LL ASK YOU BACK UP. 
          MARGARET LEEDS, APOLOGIES FOR EXTENDING YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE WANTS TO REINFORCE THE STAFF STIPULATION THAT THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS FACING WIX STREET BE REVISED TO MATCH THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          JUST IN SUPPORT OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I CAN SUPPORT THE REVISED PRESENTATION. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP, UM, GOOGLE, UH, IMAGES TO SEE WHAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES LOOK LIKE ON WIX? THERE? ONE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST HAS A, HAS A CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT, UM, IT WAS ONE OF OUR PROJECTS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IT HAS ONE SINGLE WINDOW, UM, THAT FACES ONTO THE WIX ELEVATION. 
          UM, COULD JUST DROP US DOWN ONTO STREET VIEW SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IS THE DIMENSION OF THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? I THINK IT'S ONLY, UH, UH, THREE FEET WIDE BY ABOUT, YEAH, 16 INCHES HIGH. 
          IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, THAT'S THE OTHER PROPERTY SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. 
          AM I RIGHT? YES. 
          THE THE LITTLE BARN THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE, WE'RE GOING TO, UM, STABILIZE THAT, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S, THAT'S A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. 
          ONE MORE TO THE LEFT THEN ONE MORE TO THE LEFT. 
          IS THAT THE PROPERTY YOU SAID YOU HAD, UM, PREVIOUSLY YES. 
          WE, WE PROJECT SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, SO I SEE IT, THERE'S, THERE'S A CLEAR PATTERN OF THESE SMALLER SQUARE WINDOWS. 
          THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T A WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T NEED TO THINK ABOUT AS HAVING TO MATCH A, A FULL HEIGHT WINDOW IN THE, IN THE BATHROOM. 
          I, I GUESS ONE QUESTION IS, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT SQUARER IN PROPORTION, LIKE THOSE OTHERS ON THE BLOCK? OR IS THERE A HEIGHT LIMITATION THAT YOU HAVE THERE? OH, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE HOW, HOW SQUARE WE CAN GET IT , HOW BIG AND STILL HAVE, UH, HAVE THAT WORK AS A SHOWER. 
          SURE. 
          SO ON THE PROPERTIES, BOTH THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, ONE-TO-ONE PROPORTIONED WINDOWS, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE PATTERN, UM, I WOULD MOVE, I'M GONNA TRY A MOTION, AND IF SOMEBODY FEELS LIKE THEY WANNA OFFER, UH, AN AMENDMENT, FEEL FREE. 
          I WANNA MOVE, UH, FOR, FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND DESCRIBED WITH THE WINDOWS TO THE WEST, UH, AND ADD THE STIPULATION, UH, THAT, UH, PROPORTIONS ON THE, THE SMALL HORIZONTAL WINDOW, UH, BE EXPLORED, UH, TO CLOSER REFLECT A ONE-TO-ONE PROPORTION TO CLARIFY AS SUBMITTED AT THE HEARING TODAY. 
          WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PARTS TO THIS. 
          SO THERE'S THE, THE DRAWINGS THAT WE SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT SHOW ONE WINDOW TO THE WEST, AND IT WAS JUST ON THE EAST, ON THE EAST ON THE EAST, RATHER IT WAS DESCRIBED THAT YOU WANTED DO TWO OR JUST THE ONE. 
          WE'LL DO THE TWO SO THAT IT MATCHES THE WEST END. 
          AND THE, THIS IS, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT TWO WINDOWS. 
          SO THERE'S ONE WINDOW THAT IS NOT ILLUSTRATED HERE THAT I'D IN INCLUDE IN THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL, AND THAT THE PROPORTIONS ON THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW MORE CLOSELY APPROXIMATE A ONE TO ONE. 
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ONE TO ONE. 
          SURE. 
          SECOND, THE MOTION IS SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [B-22 20-1161 Address/Description: 714 N PINE ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-758 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: NAEGER JENNIFER & LEO Request: Installation of fencing City Council Dist.: 2]
AGENDA ITEM B 22, CASE NUMBER 20 19 7 58 AT 7 15 14 NORTH PINE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FIVE FOOT TALL ROT IRON FENCE ACROSS THE FRONT YARD WITH A DUAL OPENING MECHANICAL GATE AT THE DRIVEWAY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON STIPULATION THAT NO PORTION EXCEEDS FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          IF THE MOTORIZED DRIVEWAY GATE IS APPROVED, EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE MINIMALLY VISIBLY VISIBLE BEHIND THE GATE. 
          THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. 
          HI. 
          HELLO COMMISSIONERS. 
          I AM JENNIFER NAGER, RESIDENT OF SEVEN 14 NORTH PINE STREET, A STREET. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU ALL TODAY. 
          UM, UPON DECISION TO BUILD HERE, WE REALIZED THAT WE WERE RESTORING IN A TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE WERE VERY MINDFUL OF OUR SECURITY TO HOPEFULLY DETER A FENCE EVEN BEING BUILT AT ALL. 
          WE INSTALLED EXTRA MOTION LIGHTING THROUGHOUT THE EXTERIOR OF OUR HOUSE AND ALSO THE BACK GARAGE PERIMETER. 
          HOWEVER, OUR PROPERTY HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO FOUR TIMES. 
          IN ADDITION, WE'VE HAD ONE ACCOUNT OF VANDALISM AND ONE RECORD OF A VAGRANT THAT WOULD NOT LEAVE THE PROPERTY AND HAD TO CALL POLICE TO, UM, REMOVE THIS PERSON. 
          SO TODAY WE'RE REQUESTING A FIVE FOOT, UM, FENCE AS OPPOSED TO A FOUR, JUST TO BETTER SECURE THE PROPERTY IN THESE PICS, PICTURES, EXCUSE ME, WE ARE SHOWING, UM, OTHER NEIGHBORS ON PINE STREET WITHIN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS. 
          PICTURES ALSO SHOW, UM, MEASUREMENTS OF THESE, ALL OF WHICH ARE OVER FOUR FEET. 
          WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TODAY THAT WE DO A THOUGHTFUL COMPROMISE AS FAR AS THE DESIGN OF THE, UH, THIS DESIGN OF THE PICKETS THEMSELVES. 
          UM, ALL OF THE PICTURES THAT ARE SHOWN HERE, THE DIAMETER OF THE PICKETS ARE THREE-FOURTHS OF AN INCH, AND WHICH GIVES SORT OF A HEAVY FEEL, I FEEL LIKE, FOR A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD TO BEGIN WITH. 
          UM, THIS PICTURE IS SHOWING PICKETS THAT HAVE ONLY HALF INCH IN DIAMETER, AND THIS IS IN ACTUALLY HISTORICAL MONO VISTA. 
          AND WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, A VERY SIMILAR RENDITION OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT, BUT WITHOUT SOME OF THE DESIGN FEATURES THAT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAS A LITTLE MORE SIMPLIFIED VERSION, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT. 
          WE FEEL LIKE THAT WITH THE, UM, IT'LL GIVE IT A MUCH MORE APPEALING LOOK IN LIGHT OF HAVING A TALLER FENCE AND IT WON'T BE SO GARRISH OR OVERBEARING. 
          UM, AND IN KEEPING OF THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE ON YOUR DRAWING, SHOWING THE FENCE, UM, THOSE FIVE FEET IS THAT TO THE TOP OF THE GATES, THEREFORE THE, THE RUNNING PART OF THE FENCE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THAT, RIGHT? UM, THIS TO ME, WE ARE HOPING WOULD BE A COMPROMISE WHERE THAT WOULD GO UP A LITTLE EXTRA TO, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE FIVE FEET, HONESTLY, IF, UM, IT MET WITH YOUR APPROVAL, WE WOULD RATHER HAVE, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE GATE, I SHOULD SAY THE FENCE, BE AT FIVE FEET AND THEN HAVE THE IT TOP OUT ON THE TWO ENTRANCEWAYS, MAYBE FOUR INCHES OR SO, FIVE, FIVE FOOT SIX INCHES AT THE TOPS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE HOMES THAT WE SHOWED JUST A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN THE STREET EAT, UM, THIS ONE, SORRY, THE BIG WHITE ONE. 
          THEY'RE WELL ABOVE. 
          THEY'RE FIVE FEET, THEY'RE AT SIX, THEY'RE AT FIVE FEET TOTAL FOR THE GATE. 
          THE, I'M SORRY, THE FENCING. 
          AND THEN THE GATE IS WELL ABOVE THAT. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT ONE'S AT SIX FOOT SEVEN, THIS ONE'S AT FIVE FOOT TWO INCHES. 
          IS YOUR HOUSE ALSO ON A GRADE? OURS IS NOT ON A GRADE. 
          UM, IT IS ELEVATED JUST FROM PEER AND BEAM STRUCTURE, BUT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I, I'M IN THE DESIGN BUSINESS. 
          I NOT AN ARCHITECT BY ANY MEANS, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THE SCALE OF, UM, WE, WE DIDN'T EVEN WANNA PUT A FENCE THERE, BUT IN LIGHT OF THE SITUATION THAT WE'VE ENDURED, UH, WE FEEL LIKE FOUR 
          [01:30:01]
FEET JUST WOULDN'T BE TALL ENOUGH. 
          I MEAN, I, I CAN SCALE A FOUR FOOT FENCE. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY  WHAT ARE YOU DOING BETWEEN YOUR HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORS WHERE THE CHAIN LINK IS? SO WE WOULD ALSO, LIKE, THIS WAS NOT ON OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST, BUT WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST WHILE WE'RE HERE AND DON'T TAKE YOUR TIME AGAIN AT A DIFFERENT, UM, DATE, GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE AT THAT CHAIN LINK FENCE BE TAKEN DOWN AND JUST EXTEND THE FIVE FOOT FENCE DOWN THE NORTH AND SOUTH. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER QUESTION. 
          SO THERE'S A FIVE FOOT PICKET FENCE AND THEN CHAIN LINK, THAT FENCE IN IN THE BACK IS, UM, IS FIVE FEET. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE APPLICATION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST PUT LIKE A FRONT FENCE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA BE ON THE SIDES. 
          I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THIS. 
          YOU CAN'T. 
          UM, SO WHATEVER WE APPROVE TODAY IS KIND OF GONNA SET THE MEASUREMENTS FOR WHATEVER'S GONNA BE ON THE SIDES. 
          I WOULD BE OKAY WITH, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING COULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIVE FEET TALLEST POINT WHERE THE GATES ARE A LITTLE BIT TALLER, AND THEN 4.6 MAYBE. 
          I WOULD PROBABLY ASK YOU TO COME BACK WITH STAFF WITH EXACT MEASUREMENTS ONCE YOU HAVE A PRODUCT AND THEN WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO ON THE SIDES WILL PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME HEIGHT. 
          THIS ONE'S EASY FOR ME AND THAT, UH, WE HAVE, UH, ISSUES WITH CONTINUITY IN THE FRONT. 
          I THINK IT, IT'S REALLY RARE, UM, THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORS. 
          IF THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO DO A FENCE. 
          DOES THIS, YOU SEE HOW IT, IT IT BEGINS TO PROPAGATE. 
          THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES OF FENCES THAT WERE, UM, MAYBE INSTALLED BEFORE CONTROLS WERE IN PLACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THEY EXIST AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          UM, I THINK ONE, AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE MIGHT BE A COMPLIANCE CASE THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          IF WE COULD LOOK JUST UP AND DOWN THAT STREET ON GOOGLE EARTH, UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FENCES ON THIS BLOCK THAT CROSSED THE FRONT OUT ON THE IMMEDIATE BLOCK OF, OF, UH, 700 PINE? SO THE INTRODUCTION OF FRONT YARD FENCES IS, UH, ALSO AN ISSUE I HAVE WHEN THERE AREN'T ANY FRONT YARD FENCES ON THE BLOCK. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING RIGHT, UH, THAT WE TYPICALLY, UH, THAT WE TYPICALLY, UM, ENCOURAGE THE INCLUSION OF BECAUSE THEY PROPAGATE UP AND DOWN THE STREET. 
          UM, I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT, TO SUPPORT, UH, AN APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          MAY I JUST SAY ONE THING? UM, SO IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWN WELL HERE IN THE PICTURE, BUT ON THE CORNER OF PINE AND NOLAN, ONE OF THE PICTURES THAT I SHOWED IS THERE, IS THERE, AND THIS MAY BE THE ONE MR. FISH THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I'M NOT SURE. 
          AND THAT FENCE IS OVER 60 INCHES AND THAT IS A VERY RECENT FENCE THAT'S BEEN, UM, MATTER OF FACT, THE THIS ONE. 
          AND SO I DO REMEMBER THIS CASE AND I THINK BECAUSE IT WAS A CORNER PROPERTY, THE BUS STOP, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS AND WE DO HAVE TO, UM, SOMETIMES WE DO. 
          I MEAN, IT IS CASE BY CASE HOW WE, RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF OUR PROBLEM IS BECAUSE OF OUR, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SIX FEET, YOU SAID SIX FEET'S. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OVER OH FIVE FEET, 60 INCHES. 
          UM, I MEAN I, I, I CAN'T USE THAT AS A, LIKE IT IS A DIFF THIS IS A, I THINK THAT CORNER PROPERTY IS KIND OF SPECIAL IN THAT ASPECT. 
          I THINK PART OF OUR ISSUE TOO IS SOMETHING THAT YOU POINTED OUT IS OUR PROXIMITY TO THE BUS STOP. 
          I'M, I'M WILLING TO DO A COMPROMISE THAT THE GATES ARE FIVE, BUT THE REST IS FOUR. 
          I DO FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO SEND SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF ALSO, UM, HOW YOU WILL END THAT GATE IN THAT CORNER AND WHAT'S GONNA 
          [01:35:01]
BE IN THE FUTURE BETWEEN YOUR NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WELL, I GUESS I GUESS THE QUESTION TO YOU THAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS ASSUMING, UM, THE, THIS COMMISSION, UH, APPROVES FENCE OF FOUR FEET, I DO AGREE. 
          I THINK THE GATE ELEMENTS CAN HAVE A DECORATE A DECORATIVE ELEMENT LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT ARE GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT, UM, WOULD YOU WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FENCE? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WERE LIMITED TO FOUR FEET, DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE WITH DEFENSE? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THAT MAYBE TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER, UM, WITH MY HUSBAND ACTUALLY WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S ALL THAT YOU WOULD POSSIBLY BE OPEN TO, THEN WELL, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM EVERYBODY UP HERE, UM, JUST YET. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT, UM, YOU, YOU CAN WITHDRAW. 
          UM, BUT GETTING A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE ON IT, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, TO ME IT'S A STRETCH PUTTING A FRONT YARD FENCE HERE ALL AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN THIS BLOCK FACE, RIGHT? SO, UM, IT, IT'S A, A LONG WAY FOR ME TO GO TO SUPPORT AN APPROVAL OF ANYTHING OVER FOUR FEET AL ALREADY, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A PATTERN HERE. 
          OKAY, SO CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY WE'VE HEARD DIFFERENT, UM, RESPONSES FROM THE CITY REGARDING EXACTLY WHERE FOUR FEET STOPS MOST, WELL WE'VE GOTTEN TWO DIFFERENT ANSWERS. 
          ONE IS THAT THE FOUR FEET HAS TO STOP IF THIS IS THE TOP OF THE FENCE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PICKETS THAT ACTUALLY EXTEND A LITTLE FARTHER. 
          IS THIS THE FOUR FEET MARK OR IS THIS THE FOUR FEET MARK? BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WE WERE TOLD THAT NOT INCLUDING THE PICKETS FOUR FEET WOULD BE FINE. 
          AND THEN IF YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL THREE OR FOUR INCHES FOR THE TOPS OF THE LITTLE ARROWS OR PICKETS THAT, THAT WOULD BE APPROVED. 
          SO FOR THE PUR THAT CLARIFY FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR REVIEW, WE CONSIDER ALL COMPONENTS TO THE FENCE, WHETHER THEY'RE DECORATIVE OR NOT. 
          SO FROM GRADE TO THE HIGHEST, MOST PART OF THE FENCE, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT THAT, UM, A FOUR FOOT FRONT YARD FENCE MAXIMUM THAT I COULD SUPPORT. 
          UH, I AGREE WITH FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT THE GATES COULD HAVE TALLER, UH, DECORATIVE ELEMENTS. 
          UM, THERE IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE, UH, TWO HOUSES DOWN THAT'S OUT IN THE FRONT. 
          SO THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR A FENCE THERE. 
          TRUE, IT'S NOT, UH, HISTORICALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UH, UH, I'D BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A A FOUR FOOT FRONT YARD FENCE WITH HIGHER, SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UH, GATE ELEMENTS. 
          UM, IF THE COMMISSION PROCEEDS WITH THAT TODAY, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WILL, UM, WE WOULD STILL NEED TO COME BACK FOR THE SIDE FENCES AND IF THEY, OR AT LEAST GO TO STAFF IF THEY COULD APPROVE A FOREFOOT, I BELIEVE SIDE FENCE TO MATCH THE FRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, IF YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND WANTED TO APPEAL THE DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND ASK FOR THE FIVE FOOT FULL HEIGHT, AND THAT IS YOUR RIGHT AS WELL. 
          OKAY? THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          I MOVE TO APPROVE THE STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, JUST, UH, THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ABOUT THE, UH, MAXIMUM FIVE FOOT HEIGHT AT THE GATES. 
          WELL, LET ME, UH, RETRACT THAT. 
          I'LL JUST SAY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MA A MAXIMUM OF FIVE, BUT ALLOWING THE GATES TO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOTION. 
          DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU'LL NEED TO, UH, IF YOU WANNA PROCEED WITH THE FOREFOOT HEIGHT, UH, WORK WITH STAFF TO GET ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE SIDE FENCES AND THEY CAN ALSO, UH, HELP YOU IF YOU DECIDE TO APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AS A REMINDER, AGENDA ITEM B 23 1 69 GREENLAND HAS POSTPONED TO THE NEXT AGENDA, 
          [B-24 20-1169 Address/Description: 417 WILLOW ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-756 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Juan Delallata/Blustar Construction Request: Construction of an addition, exterior modifications to primary and accessory structure, fencing City Council Dist.: 2]
MOVING FORWARD TO B 24 AT FOUR 17. 
          WILLOW CASE NUMBER 20 19 7 56. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE SIDE AND REAR ADDITIONS. 
          [01:40:01]
TWO, CONSTRUCT NEW AND SIDE REAR ADDITIONS. 
          THREE, MODIFY THE SIDE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          FOUR, REPLACE THE SHINGLE ROOF WITH STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON BOTH STRUCTURES. 
          FIVE. 
          INSTALL FRONT YARD FENCING. 
          SIX, INSTALL A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY AND SEVEN, INSTALL CONCRETE PAVER WALKWAYS AND PATIO AREAS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO INSTALL CONCRETE PAVERS BASED ON FINDING H FOR ITEMS SIX, INSTALL CONCRETE PAVERS AND WALKWAYS OR ITEM SEVEN, INSTALL A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT MAY SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE AND DRIVEWAY DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR REVIEW. 
          FOR YOUR REFERENCE. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR AND IS ASKING, UH, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION FOR THE DRIVEWAY, THE, UH, CONCRETE PAVER AREA AND THE FENCE HEIGHT APPLICANT HERE PLEASE. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, MY NAME'S WANDA LATA. 
          I'M THE OWNER AND, UM, GENERAL CONTRACTOR FOR THAT PROPERTY FOR FOUR 17 WILLOW. 
          UM, THE PLAN IS BASICALLY I JUST WANNA, UM, AGREE WITH WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I'M GONNA KEEP THE SAME WINDOWS, I WANNA DO THE SAME METAL ROOFING AS OTHER STRUCTURES. 
          UM, MR. FAM DID SAY, UH, I DID AGREE TO THE SECOND STRUCTURE FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HE HAD. 
          I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP. 
          I BROUGHT BOTH DESIGNS TO SEE IF YOU COULD SEE ON THREE D RENDERING HOW I WOULD REALLY JUST PREFER TO KEEP THE WHOLE PROPERTY WITH THE SAME TYPE OF ONE 17 SIDING. 
          UM, BUT UH, HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS TO CHANGE IT TO BATON BOARD. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK THE BEST AS POSSIBLE FOR, FOR IT. 
          I FEEL LIKE THE BATON BOARD JUST CHANGES THE LOOK OF THE WHOLE THING. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS A, AS FAR AS THE STIPULATION FOR FOR, FOR THAT, FOR THAT. 
          UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE ON THE TOP IS PROBABLY THE ONLY THING EXISTING THAT MIGHT BE HISTORIC, BUT THE OTHER IS SOME SMART SIDING AND, AND STUFF THAT'S GOING ON THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, UM, AS FAR AS FOR THAT, UM, THE, THE OTHER THING IS I GUESS WE'RE HERE JUST BECAUSE OF THE PATIO AND THE WAY THAT THE LOT IS, IS, IS FACING WILLOW STREET. 
          IT'S A HUNDRED FEET WIDE, RIGHT? SO MY WHOLE THING IS HAVING PRIVACY. 
          THAT'S OUR ONLY BACKYARD, BASICALLY. 
          UM, I WANTED TO KIND OF CASCADE THE FRONT, UH, OF, OF THE PROPERTY TO GO FROM FOUR FOOT ALL THE WAY IN THE, IN THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          THEN YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE YOUR DRIVEWAY ENTRY, WHICH THAT CAN STILL BE, UH, FOUR FEET. 
          AND THEN BASICALLY IT'S GONNA GO UP FIVE, AROUND 10 FEET WILL BE FIVE FOOT HIGH AND THEN SIX FOOT HIGH. 
          UM, ALL OF THAT IS AWAY FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I DID SEE A COUPLE OF OTHER HOUSES. 
          I I PUT SOME PICTURES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION OF THE FOUR FOOT, UM, HEIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR MAIN HOUSE. 
          UM, I WANT TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING AS POSSIBLE, BUT, UM, JUST WANNA SEE IF THERE'S A VARIANCE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN JUST FEEL THAT THERE WILL BE LITERALLY NO PRIVACY ON THAT HOUSE. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A MIDDLE SCHOOL RIGHT NEXT DOOR, UH, BOWEN MIDDLE SCHOOL I THINK. 
          AND UM, THE TRAFFIC IS HEAVY THERE, UM, DURING PICKUP AND DROP OFF HOURS TO WHERE THE WHOLE BLOCK IS LITTERED WITH AUTOMOBILES WITH KIDS RUNNING UP AND DOWN, WHICH I THINK IS GONNA BE A GOOD THING, RIGHT? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU JUST MIGHT NEED A LITTLE PRIVACY ON THAT CORNER LOT THERE. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANNA SEE WHAT MY OPTIONS ARE. 
          UM, I DID HAVE SOME OTHER PICTURES OF PROPERTIES WHERE, UH, AFTER THE, THE DRIVEWAY ENTRY, THEY, THEY BUILT SIX FOOT HIGH, UH, CEDAR FENCING ON THE PICTURES THAT I I PROVIDED. 
          SO YOU HAVE THAT, UM, FAR AS THE, THE PAVERS. 
          UM, SO MY INTENTION IS IT IS KIND OF MORE MODERN CONTEMPORARY, BUT I STILL, MY INTENTION IS, IS ALWAYS TO MAKE IT JUST FIT IN WITH THE HISTORICAL LOOK, UM, THE ONES IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE CAN MAYBE DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          UH, BUT DEFINITELY THE ONES OVER HERE ON THE BACKYARD OR SIDE AREA, UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE A FIREPLACE MADE OUTTA CONCRETE AND STUFF LIKE THAT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE TO GIVE IT JUST KIND OF WHAT I FEEL LIKE IT, IT WILL LOOK GOOD ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I STILL WANNA MAKE IT LOOK HISTORIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A ALAMO HEIGHTS TAR HILL KIND OF FEEL TO IT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, QUESTION HERE, IF YOU GO TO PHOTO 11, 
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THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, CURB CUT THERE AND YOUR SIDE PLAN, YOUR DRIVEWAY DOES NOT ALIGN WITH YOUR CURB CUT. 
          ARE YOU PROPOSING TO RELOCATE THE CURB CUT TO A LINE WITH YOUR DRIVE INTO THE CARPORT? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY SEEN THE CITY ALREADY DESTROYING ALL THE STREETS AROUND THERE AND BUILDING NEW SIDEWALKS. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT PART MIGHT EVEN BE PICKED UP BY THE CITY. 
          I'M JUST NOT FOR SURE. 
          BUT I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DEMO IT FOR ME. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TO LOOK INTO. 
          BUT, BUT YES SIR. 
          UM, THAT WILL BE THE INTENTION. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, WOULD I HAVE PLANS LIKE THAT BEFORE THE CITY ACTUALLY BUILDS THOSE SIDEWALKS OR, OR HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, SINCE THE CITY IS WORKING HERE AND YOU'RE, LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BASICALLY RELOCATING YOUR DRIVE ENTRANCE, I THINK, UH, YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF. 
          THEY COULD PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE DEPARTMENT WHO'S DOING THAT SO THAT IF YOU ARE MOVING YOUR CURB CUT THAT THEY CAN DO IT FOR YOU TO ALIGN WITH YOUR NEW DRIVE LOCATION. 
          IF THERE'S A CURB PROJECT ALREADY HAPPENING AND YOU HAVE APPROVAL FROM THIS COMMISSION TO RELOCATE THE CURB CUT, THEN THEY CAN DO IT AS PART OF THAT PROJECT. 
          UM, OTHERWISE YOU WOULD BE THE ONE DOING ALL THE WORK, UM, INCLUDING WORKING THE RIGHT OF WAY TO MAKE THAT APPROACH HAPPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND IT'S NOT IN THE APPLICATION TODAY, SO WE HAVE TO ADD IT. 
          UM, I MEAN WE'D ASSUME LIKE WITH THE APPROVE, IF THE DRIVEWAY WAS APPROVED, THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN APPROACH IN ORDER TO USE THE DRIVEWAY, ANY IMAGES OF THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE FENCES TO THE RIGHT, JUST RIGHT OF THAT VIEW. 
          HAS THIS, UH, BEEN TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE? SO, UH, BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE EXISTING, THERE'S A, A LARGE TREE THAT IS RIGHT THERE BY THE, UH, EXISTING FENCE. 
          WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'D CONSIDER AS USING LANDSCAPE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE FOR THE PRIVACY? I MEAN THAT'S A, A REALLY, UH, EFFECTIVE OPTION, BUT IT ALSO IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, UM, CONTROLLED. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW COMMISSIONER THAT I THINK THE PRIVACY IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          IT'S BY THAT EXISTING FENCE, THAT PART RIGHT THERE. 
          WHAT SO THAT FENCE, SHE PUT IT UP. 
          I DIDN'T, I JUST, UH, GOT THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          PREVIOUS OWNER? YES MA'AM. 
          THEY DID ALL THAT. 
          ALL THE, AND THE NEIGHBOR HAS THE GRAY FENCE IS THE NEIGHBOR'S HAVE A CHAIN LINK GOING UP RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION OF THE LOT, THEN IT'S BACK TO SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          DO WE KNOW HOW HIGH THAT, UH, PICKET FENCE IS ALREADY? THE EXISTING, YEAH. 
          SIX FOOT. 
          AND AND WHAT ABOUT JUST LEAVING AS IT IS? I MEAN, THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANYTHING FROM US. 
          YOU CAN LEAVE THAT FENCE 'CAUSE IT'S THERE, CORRECT? I'M GONNA, I MEAN IT'S NOT PRETTY. 
          I KNOW, BUT YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S THE, THE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UM, OR CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE FOR US? I'M SO, I'M SO SORRY. 
          UM, YEAH, THE THING IS, UM, I MEAN I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK THAT THE, I, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT IF THE RULE IS SOME OTHER HOUSES HAVE IT, SO AS SOON AS YOU LEAVE THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND YOU LEAVE THAT DRIVEWAY ENTRY, I THINK YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, TO BUILD A SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          I, I'M JUST NOT SURE. 
          UM, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          I JUST NEED SOMEBODY TO, TO SEE IT MY WAY TO WHERE, HEY, THAT'S OUR ONLY BACKYARD. 
          THAT, THAT'S ABOUT ALL YOU'RE GONNA HAVE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITION BEING MADE TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN JUMP IN HERE, I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING MAY BE TO THE STRUCTURES TO THE NORTH, THE WOOD FENCE THERE THAT WE SEE THAT'S WEATHERED WAS WASN'T THERE IN 2011. 
          I JUST KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          IT LOOKS, I CAN'T TELL WHAT, WHICH WAY THOSE ARE ADDRESSED. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S CONSIDERED A FRONT YARD AND A REAR YARD, UM, THERE, OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT RECEIVED, UH, AN APP, THAT FENCE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION AND AN APPROVAL. 
          BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE, THE GAP BETWEEN THIS STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT THAT WE SEE IN GREEN AND THE OTHER PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT BELONGS TO THE APPLICANT, THAT THAT REAR YARDS ARE KIND OF FACING EACH OTHER, UH, ALONG THAT FENCE 
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LINE. 
          UM, UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, SO THE DOOR THAT YOU SEE THERE IN RED YES SIR. 
          AND THERE'S THREE BLOCKS THERE IN THAT GREEN STRUCTURE. 
          IS THERE, IS THAT THEIR REAR YARD? YES. 
          IS THAT THEIR BACKYARD? YES. 
          HOW MANY FEET DO YOU HAVE BEHIND, UH, YOUR MAIN HOUSE? FIVE. 
          LOOK AT THE, UH, SURVEY ON 16, LIKE FOUR FEET ON THE REAR OF THEIR EXISTING. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THE CASE HERE BECAUSE HIS FRONT YARD IS HIS ONLY YARD IN THE BACKYARD, . 
          SO THE, THE FENCE HEIGHT, UM, THAT BELONGS TO THE, UH, THE ADJACENT HOUSE IS BEING TREATED LIKE A SIDE OR REAR YARD FENCE. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA IF THAT'S FIVE FEET OR SIX FEET AT SIX FEET, SIX FEET? THE WOOD FENCE? YES SIR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE HEIGHT OF A FENCE THAT WE'D SEE ASSOCIATED WITH A REAR YARD OR A SIDE YARD. 
          UM, THAT'S HOW IT'S BEING DONE THERE. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS IMAGE RIGHT THERE WITH THE FENCE COMING KIND OF DOWN? UH, YEAH, SO BASICALLY FENCE ELEMENTS THERE. 
          WAS THERE A FENCE THERE PREVIOUSLY THAT'S GOING TOWARD THE, THE GARAGE STRUCTURE FROM THAT GATE? OH YEAH. 
          YES SIR. 
          SO BASICALLY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, I GUESS HAD THAT, THAT STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE HAS A FULL KITCHEN BATH, 400 SQUARE FEET OF LIVABLE, UM, MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE TYPE OF STUFF. 
          I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE LEASING IT OUT. 
          IT JUST HAD A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THERE. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE PLAN IS JUST COMBINING IT ALL NOW. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS EVEN PREVIOUS AND THEY, I GUESS THEY, THEY PUT UH, SOME PERMITS TO MAKE THAT ADDITION OVER THERE ON THE SIDE NOW. 
          UM, SO THE WHOLE THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE A A, A SUITE A BASICALLY A GUEST HOUSE, A CASITA IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT. 
          UM, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT THAT PRIVACY IN CASE SOMEBODY HAS AN OFFICE, UM, THAT, THAT FENCE WON'T BE THERE IN THE MIDDLE ANYMORE. 
          UM, THAT THOSE BARN DOORS RIGHT THERE, THOSE FOUR BY EIGHT, IT IS BASICALLY ALL HOLLOW ALL THE WAY TO THAT. 
          I, I WANNA SUGGEST SOMETHING. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT FENCE THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING IN BETWEEN THAT GARAGE AND THERE'S A POLE THERE. 
          UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THERE'S A LOT OF ELEMENTS AND I THINK WE, I DON'T WANNA BE TOO QUICK ON THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF AN ODD PROJECT AND, AND, AND ON THE PAVERS, I THINK, I MEAN WE, THERE'S SOME ITEMS HERE THAT WE NORMALLY DON'T APPROVE. 
          I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS TO GO GO TO D R C AND NOT BE DESIGNING HERE AND MAKING SURE WE GOT THIS RIGHT. 
          I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD WALK THROUGH THIS STEP BY STEP GIVEN THAT THESE TWO STRUCTURES ARE ORIENTED DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHERS ON THE BLOCK AND THAT FUNCTIONALLY YOUR REAR YARD IS THERE AND THAT'S A SIMILAR CONDITION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE OF THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          UM, BUT WE CAN FURTHER, AND MAYBE THERE'S WAYS WE CAN TURN A CORNER SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU END IT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT MORE. 
          SO IF THERE'S A PORTION OF THAT THAT WE CAN ALLOW TO BE HIGHER, WHERE DOES IT STOP? HOW FAR DOES IT GO? UM, THAT'S GONNA BE THE SENSITIVE PART OF IT, I THINK. 
          UH, AND MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME, UH, US GOING TO THAT MEETING. 
          UM, BASICALLY YOU GET APPROVAL TO CONTINUE ON OTHER AREAS OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY OR DOES D R C BASICALLY STOP THE WHOLE PROCESS? WELL DO, DID YOU AGREE WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS ON THE FIRST SET OF ITEMS THAT STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ON? UH, YES SIR. 
          IT'S, UM, EVEN THOUGH I, I HAVE AGREED ON, ON EMAIL AND I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK, I MEAN, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO BE AS HELPFUL AS I CAN. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GUYS, I DID SHOW THE THREE D RENDERING OF BOTH STYLES, I JUST FEEL LIKE, UM, IT JUST GO MORE WITH THE FLOW IF BOTH STRUCTURES WERE THE SAME TYPE OF SIDING INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, CHANGING IT UP. 
          YEAH, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT WAS, UM, THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU GUYS. 
          UM, ONE SUGGESTION WOULD BE, UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S FRAMING REQUIRED FOUNDATION WORK REQUIRED FOR YOU TO PROCEED. 
          UM, ONE POSSIBILITY IS TO, UM, APPROVE THE ADDITIONS SIZE OF THE ADDITIONS IN THAT, BUT THE EXTERIOR FINISH COME TO THE D R C FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION SO THAT HE COULD PROCEED WITH FOUNDATION AND, UH, FRAMING. 
          I CAN, I COULD TAKE A JAB AT A MOTION, Y'ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED AS OH 1, 12, 3 AND FOUR, UH, WITH STEP, STEP STIPULATIONS 
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ON ITEM THREE A, UH, THAT REFERENCES THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING. 
          I'LL, I'LL REMOVE THAT FROM THE, FROM THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT AGREE TO R C, YOUR REQUEST ABOUT THE SIDING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, AND I, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMAND THE, THE FENCE, UH, TO, UH, D R C AND I RECOMMEND DENIAL ON, ON ITEM SIX AND SEVEN, OR WE MOVE ITEM SIX AND SEVEN TO D R C. 
          YES. 
          AMENDED IS, SO THE MOTION, I MEAN, IS THE FENCING ALSO MOVED TO D R C OR YOU JUST ENC SEEING THE CONCRETE PAVER WALKWAYS PATIO AREAS AND DRIVEWAY ARE, UH, REMANDED TO D R C. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, IF I COULD JUST QUICKLY COMMENT, I, I GUESS I, NOW WE'LL BE VOTING IN FAVOR BASED ON THE AMENDMENT, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PAVER WALKWAYS AND THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          YES SIR. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          CAN I ASK APPLICANT FOR THE PAVERS ON THE DRIVEWAY AND I THINK IT'S JUST, UM, BOTH MATERIAL CHORES BUT ALSO A LOT COVERAGE FOR ME. 
          SO MAYBE YOU CAN JUST HAVE THOSE PERCENTAGES READY. 
          THE STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. 
          OKAY, GOT YOU. 
          SO BY, BY THE TIME I GO TO THAT MEETING, SHOULD I HAVE IT, THE LANDSCAPING BASICALLY ALL FIGURED OUT HOW, HOW IT'S GONNA BE SET UP? OR, OR SHOULD I WAIT UNTIL I DISCUSS WITH THEM FIRST? WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO CHIMNEYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, LET'S JUST, NO, NO, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF IT'S JUST THIS, NO. 
          YEAH, AND I WOULD SAY TO LOOK AT YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN USE THAT AS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          LIKE, UH, WITH, WITH THE FENCE. 
          LIKE IF WE'RE REGULATED TO A FOUR FOOT FENCE, BUT YOU CAN HAVE TREES BEHIND THAT THAT GIVE YOU THE PRIVACY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEN IT TURNS THE CORNER TO THE SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S OPTIONS, BUT I WOULD LOOK AT YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN TO GIVE YOU AS MUCH LEVERAGE AS YOU CAN IN THE PRIVACY. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR. 
          YEAH, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED ON AT LEAST I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO GET, YOU KNOW, TURNED OFF BECAUSE OF THAT OR THE PRIVACY ISSUE. 
          I, I WOULD SUGGEST, I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING A, BEING PREPARED FOR A, A LIMITATION OF FOUR FEET ON THAT FENCE AND HAVING A PLAN B BECAUSE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE THAT WE CAN'T APPROVE IN THE END. 
          AND EVEN ON THE PICTURES OR WITH THE ADDRESSES AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS STATED OF OTHER PROPERTIES HAVING THE SIX FOOT FENCE, THE ONLY RATIONALE TO ME THAT JUSTIFIES ANY PORTION OF IT BEING HIGHER THAN FOUR FEET IS THAT IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONING AS A REAR YARD AND SO IS ITS ADJACENT NEIGHBOR. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBOR. 
          AND TO ME THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN JUSTIFY IT BEING ANY HIGHER. 
          OKAY. 
          SAME THING AS PAVERS, BASICALLY OTHER PROPERTIES THERE, THERE, I THINK THERE ARE SOLUTIONS THERE THAT WE CAN FIND BEST DISCUSSED FURTHER AT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for December 4, 2019, and December 18, 2019. City]
APPROVAL MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DECEMBER 4TH THROUGH 18TH AND 18TH. 
          MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RECORD TIME. 
          MOVE TO ADJOURN.
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