* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I'M GONNA . [3:00 PM – Call to Order] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. HAPPY WEDNESDAY. UM, UM, TIME IS DOWN THREE ZERO 2:00 PM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER. THIS IS STORY DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 5TH, 2026. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ. HERE. GALLOWAY. HERE. MOOKA. HERE. GIADA GROUP. HERESO. HERE. HOLLAND FETZER HERE. AND GIBBS HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES, HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND A RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGNED GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ONE TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS, OR OPPOSED, OR SORRY SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, EDWARD, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THAT LINK I SENT YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE NEXT, UH, UPCOMING INSTALLMENT OF OUR PRESERVATION ACADEMY SERIES. UM, THIS IS A MONTHLY INSTALLMENT OF EDUCATIONAL WORKSHOPS, CLASSES, TRAININGS THAT WE OFFER FOR EACH OF THE RESIDENTS, UM, THAT WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT OHP DOES OR HOW TO DO WORK OR, OR CARE FOR THEIR HISTORIC PROPERTY. UM, SO OUR NEXT EVENT IS NEXT WEDNESDAY, UM, DURING THE AFTERNOON, UM, AND IT WE'RE CALLING IT THE HISTORIC HOUSE ROADSHOW. UM, SO THIS IS FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO MEET WITH OHP STAFF ABOUT THEIR PROJECT OR THEIR PROPERTY HAS QUESTIONS OUTSIDE OF NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. AND SO WE'RE MAKING OURSELVES AVAILABLE FROM 4:00 PM TO 6:00 PM UM, OUTSIDE OF CITY TOWER AT MURAL COFFEE ROASTERS ON THE WEST SIDE. UM, THERE IS REGISTRATION REQUIRED. UM, WE HAVE TIME SLOTS THAT YOU CAN SIGN UP SO THAT YOU, UM, HAVE DEDICATED TIME WITH STAFF. UM, WE'LL BE THERE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. SO THAT IS A FREE EVENT NEXT WEDNESDAY AT 4:00 PM UM, AND WITH [ Approval of minutes for the HDRC meeting of July 15, 2026.] THAT WE CAN DO ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 15TH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JULY 15TH, 2026. SARAH, SECOND. SECOND, SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. QUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GROUP. AYE. JSO AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE COULD [CONSENT AGENDA The consent agenda consists of items recommended by staff for approval or approval with stipulations that the applicant accepts. Any member of the public who would like to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and speak prior to the commission’s vote on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda to consider it individually. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.] DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UM, JUST A COUPLE HOUSEKEEPING UPDATES. ITEMS NUMBER FOUR AND ITEM SIX HAVE BOTH BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. WE DO NOT HAVE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THOSE ITEMS. UM, YOU WILL SEE IN YOUR PACKETS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LETTERS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, AND I DO HAVE TWO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS ON, ON CONSENT THAT I'LL CALL UP NOW. UM, THE FIRST IS ITEM NUMBER 10, [00:05:01] JANE HENRY. MS. HENRY, IF YOU WANNA COME AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS ON ITEM 10. THANK YOU. SORRY, I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS. GIMME A MOMENT ON PAGE. OKAY. MY NAME IS JANE HENRY. I'M PRESIDENT OF MISSIONS SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I'M HERE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION OF 1315 EAST PYRON AVENUE. THE, UH, NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION THAT'S PROPOSED THERE, UM, HAS A, AN ATTACHED FRONT FACING TWO CAR GARAGE AND NOWHERE ELSE IN THIS, THIS, THIS ADDRESS IS IN, UH, A SPECIAL HISTORIC AREA JUST, UH, TO THE EAST OF MISSION SAN JOSE IN A FORMER COLONIAL. AND IT'S BETWEEN MISSIONS ON, UM, IT'S BETWEEN SAN JOSE DRIVE AND PADRE DRIVE AND, UH, BETWEEN, UH, PIRON AVENUE AND FLOSS. BUT REALLY, UH, IT DOES GO INTO, UM, SOME OF THE PRIVATE STREETS DO END UP AT, UM, PADRE DRIVE. THERE'S NOT ONE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ONE OTHER HOUSE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OF ANY AGE THAT HAS A FRONT FACING GARAGE. ALL THE GARAGES AND CARPORTS IN THIS AREA, UM, ARE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY BEHIND THE PROPERTY CLOSE TO THE BACK, UM, BORDER, UM, PROPERTY LINE. THERE ARE SOME VERY LARGE HOMES ON THIS STREET, UH, WHICH WERE BUILT BETWEEN 72 AND, UM, 2014. UM, NOT ONE OF THEM. AND THEY'RE VERY LARGE, VERY NICE HOMES ON LARGE LOTS. NOT ONE OF THOSE HAS AN ATTACHED GARAGE. ONE HAS A VERY ELEGANT, LARGE, UM, ATTACHED, UM, UH, PORT CHE AND IT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE WITH A, A SMALL, UM, PORTICO. AND ALL THE ROOFS OF BOTH OF THOSE, UH, ARE THE SAME MATERIALS AND THE SAME DESIGN AS THE, UM, AS THE MAIN HOUSE. UH, I WOULD REFER YOU TO PAGE 31, UM, OF THE, UM, MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL. UH, B MA'AM AND PAGE, UM, MA'AM, PHOTO NUMBER THREE, MS. HENRY. YEAH. POINT 19. MS. HENRY? YES. I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS AS YOU HAD TWO MINUTES. SORRY, PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. YOU HAD TWO MINUTES. YES. AND YOUR TWO MINUTES ARE EXPIRED. UM, THE, UM, THE CAPTION THERE, THE PICTURE SHOWS, UH, A NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION WITH A, UM, WHERE MOST OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE IS TAKEN UP BY A TWO CAR GARAGE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A SHED OR AN ADDITIONAL GARAGE. UM, THE CAPTION OF THE PHOTOS SAYS AVOID BLANK WALLS AND GARAGE OPENINGS ON PRIMARY FACADES FACING THE STREET. UH, I HOPE THAT THE, UM, UM, COMMISSIONERS WILL MAKE THE SAME, UH, DECISION ON THIS APPLICATION AS YOU DID FOR 1538 EAST PIRON AND 25 0 9 MISSION ROAD, UH, WHICH WERE VACANT LOTS WHERE, UH, THE APPLICANTS WERE PROPOSING TO BUILD FOUR, UM, UM, HOMES WITH, UM, FRONT FA, EACH OF THEM FACING THE, THE STREET WITH ATTACHED GARAGES. UM, THE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL AND, UH, THE HDRC, UM, PANEL DECIDED, UM, IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE. THEY, UH, ASKED HIM TO REDESIGN THE PLANS, MS. LEY, SO THAT THE GARAGES ARE THE BACK OF THE HOMES, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE ULTIMATE DECISION. THANK YOU. NOTHING HAS [00:10:01] BEEN DONE, MS. HENRY, ON EITHER OF THOSE, WE UP YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, THANK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE A SPEAKER ON ITEM 11, BIANCA MALDONADO. MS. MALDONADO RECEIVED FOUR MINUTES. TOM SIMMONS IS HERE AND HAS YIELDED HIS TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON. BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 REGARDING 5 0 3 MARY LOUISE DRIVE. WE APPRECIATE PROPERTY OWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. WE NOTE THAT THIS HOME WAS DESIGNED BY NATHANIEL STRAUSS NAFA, A PROMINENT SAN ANTONIO ARCHITECT. WE ARE THANKFUL THAT THE OWNER MET WITH THE MPNA ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE BEFORE HIS MISSION TO HDRC. THE COMMITTEE PROVIDED INITIAL FEEDBACK REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES WITH RESPECT TO THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE PROPOSED VERTICAL EXTERIOR CLADDING, A GABLE ROOF AND AFIN, AND THE FENESTRATION PATTERNS ON THE HIGHLY VISIBLE ELEVATIONS FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. WE OFFERED THE APPLICANT A SECOND MEETING AFTER HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS OUR FEEDBACK WITH HIS ARCHITECT, BUT HE DECLINED AND SAID HE WOULD PROCEED THROUGH THE HDRC PROCESS. WE REVIEWED THE OFFICIAL APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY AND REQUEST THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS. NUMBER ONE, THAT THE ROOF BE HIP ON THE EAST ELEVATION, PRESENTING ONTO SHEAR BOULEVARD. THIS IS TO PULL DOWN THE PERCEIVED VERTICALITY AND HEIGHT OF THE A D'S MASSING ON THE OVERALL SITE. THIS IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE HIP ROOFS OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND THE OTHER NATHANIEL STRAUS NAAC HOMES IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE ALSO REQUEST THAT THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE PITCH BE SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. NUMBER TWO, THAT THE TYPE OF EXTERIOR WOOD CLADDING BE RECONSIDERED TO HAVE A HORIZONTAL ORIENTATION LIKE THE EXISTING A DU STRUCTURE. THIS AGAIN, WILL HELP REDUCE THE PERCEIVED VERTICALITY AND HEIGHT OF THE A DU AND IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXTERIOR CLADDING FOUND ON OTHER NAAC HOMES WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OTHER, UH, ADUS. NUMBER THREE, THAT THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOW ON THE EAST ELEVATION CONFORM WITH THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS OF THE MAIN HOUSE. THE RENDERINGS APPEAR TO SHOW THE ADUS EAST WINDOW RENDERINGS ARE LARGER IN SIZE AND OF DIFFERENT PROPORTIONS THAN THE WINDOWS OF THE MAIN HOUSE. NUMBER FOUR. FURTHER, WE REQUEST THAT THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION BE RECONSIDERED TO BE A SERIES OF SMALL, VERTICALLY ORIENTED WINDOWS. EVEN THOUGH THE NORTH ELEVATION IS FACING THE ALLEY, IT IS HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AS THIS IS A CORNER LOT. WE REQUEST NUMBER FIVE. WE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANT RECONSIDER THE PROPOSED BREEZE BLOCK WALL ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE EASTERN ELEVATION AT, AS IT AS IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE STONE GARDEN WALLS AND FENCING MATERIAL PRESENT ON OTHER NATHANIEL STRAUSS, NAAC HOMES AND FENCING MATERIALS WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK. HISTORIC DISTRICT BREEZE BLOCK WALLS ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH MID-CENTURY MODERN HOMES AND CONTEMPORARY HOMES. FINALLY, WE QUESTION HOW THE STEPS AND THE RAILING FROM THE FRONT AND THE SIDE DOOR ENTRANCES ON THE MAIN HOME WILL BE TREATED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY. WE RAISE CONCERN WITH A MODERN WALKWAY CONNECTING THESE TWO EASTERN ENTRANCES AS OHP HAS NOT RECOMMENDED SEPARATED WALKWAYS IN THE PAST FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS AND WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. ALSO, WHAT IS TO OCCUR WITH THE RAILINGS IN BOTH OF THESE LOCATIONS AND THE RED TILES ON THE FRONT ENTRY. ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION IS NEEDED AS THE APPLICANT WORKS TOWARDS FINAL. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST HDRC TO INCORPORATE OUR COMMENTS INTO THE CONCEPTUAL RECOMMENDATION AND TO UPHOLD CONSISTENCY WITH RESPECT TO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADUS WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE ROOF PROFILE, THE WOOD CLADDING, THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS, THE FENCING MATERIAL AND PRESERVATION INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE MAIN HOUSE. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ALL ITEMS. YES. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER 11. NUMBER 11. ANY OTHER ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND ITEM NUMBER 10 PLEASE. EIGHT AND TWO. EIGHT AND 10. EIGHT AND 10. MR. CHAD MAKE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE ONE. ONE MOMENT PLEASE. YES, SIR. UM, WE HAVE CUSAL, SO GIMME ONE MOMENT PLEASE [00:15:10] LET ER REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR FEER HAS EXITED THE ROOM. OKAY. I'M READY FOR YOUR MOTION, SIR. OKAY, SIR. MAKE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS MINUS ITEMS EIGHT, 10, AND 11. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA GROUP? AYE. CHSO AYE. ALL AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 5 38 WEST WOODLAWN, 1210 EAST ELM, FOUR 30 EAST COMMERCE FOUR 18 LATA 1 35 WEST ELLWOOD 8 0 1 NORTH OLIVE AND 15 5 51 NACODOCHES. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED. YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. READY FOR THE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 8 2 30 DIVINE. WE HAVE, UM, ARCHITECT RONNIE CARRASCO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS YOU STEP UP TO THE MIC. SIR, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN WE WILL HAVE, UM, COMMISSIONER SABINO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT SHE HAS. OKAY. I'M VERONICA ASCO, THE ARCHITECT FOR TWO 30. DIVINE. UM, MR. CHAIR, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE WINDOWS. I WAS PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH THE ALLOCATION OF NEW WINDOWS AND SALVAGED WINDOWS AND HAD SOME QUESTIONS. I OKAY. UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN ON PAGE 14 OKAY. OF THE PACKAGE THAT WE RECEIVED. OKAY. LOOKING AT 18, OKAY. MM-HMM . AND SO LET'S TAKE THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON, WHAT DO WE EXPECT? UM, THERE, THERE'S A NOTE ON THE ELEVATION THAT SAYS THAT THE WINDOWS REMAIN THE SAME AND THE RAILING. AND THEN ON THE PLAN WE'RE, UH, EXISTING WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED. OKAY. BY EXISTING SALVAGED WINDOWS. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, THOSE THREE, THE THREE WINDOWS ARE ON THE BAY. UH, WE INTENDED TO HAVE 'EM REMAIN, BUT WE DECIDED TO, TO HAVE THOSE REPLACED WITH WINDOWS THAT WE'RE GONNA REMOVE WITH THE DEMOLITION PORTION. ARE THEY IN BETTER CONDITION? ARE THEY THE SAME SIZE? THEY'RE ACTUALLY THE TWO OVER TWO, WHICH WILL BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE FRONT OF THE ELEVATION. OKAY. SO THE BAY WINDOWS ACTUALLY IS ONE OVER ONE. I SEE. AND IT WOULD BE TWO OVER TWO THAT WAS SUGGESTED. OKAY. AND WE WOULD DO THAT. UM, AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING A WINDOW IN THE OWNER SUITE, IS THAT CORRECT? THOSE ARE NEW WINDOWS, CORRECT. AND THOSE ARE THE, THAT IS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE ADDITION THAT YOU'VE REMOVED AND YOU'RE SALVAGING THE WINDOWS FROM TO PUT IN THE FRONT. UH, THOSE TWO WOULD BE NEW WINDOWS, BUT MM-HMM . THE PREVIOUS EDITION? YES. IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON? YES, THAT'S GOING ON. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN IN THE EXISTING UTILITY OR THE NEW UTILITY ROOM MM-HMM . YES. THAT'S AN EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT'S TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A NEW WINDOW. IT'S GONNA BE REPLACED WITH A NEW WINDOW. WITH A NEW WINDOW, YEAH. A NEW WOOD WINDOW. MM-HMM . NOT A NEW 'CAUSE. THE EXISTING IS THE ALUMINUM. MM-HMM . WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH A NEW ONE. OKAY. UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR STAFF WITH THAT WINDOW BEING REPLACED, THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, ISN'T IT? YES. WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO REINSTATE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING? YEAH, WE DISCUSSED THAT. UM, I THINK BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERVENTION THAT STILL, THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS, UM, THAT REPLACING IN KIND IS APPROPRIATE AND NOT REVERTING TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC WINDOW. CORRECT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THAT YOU DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? [00:20:02] NOT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION? PLEASE, UH, MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE ITEM 8 2 30 DIVINE STREET WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS THERE. SECOND. SECOND. BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, MR. CHAIR? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I FIGURED SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD PROBABLY SAIL BY, BUT, UM, IN SO MANY CASES WE DO WANT TO REVERT TO AN ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING. WE'VE ASKED FOR IT IN THE PAST, SO I FIND IT, UM, ESPECIALLY IN A, IN A ROOM THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT FULL SIZE WINDOW TO BE, TO BE USED AND NOT INHIBIT THE USE OF THAT SPACE. UM, IT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE ORIGINAL INTEGRITY OF THAT PART OF THE HOUSE COULD BE REINSTATED WITH A FULL-SIZED WINDOW. UM, SO PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING YOU MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER DURING CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT A LARGER WINDOW OR AN ORIGINAL SIZED WINDOW FOR THAT PART OF THE HOUSE, WHAT THAT MIGHT BE LIKE. YEAH. LARGER YOU, YOU, YOU'RE IMPLYING TO MATCH THE OTHER LIKE SIX FOOT SIX WINDOWS TO MATCH WHAT THE ORIGINAL OPENING WAS. OKAY. AND, AND THAT WILL BE PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE NARROW BUT TALLER WINDOWS. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION PHOTO, UM, YOU SEE WHERE THAT OPENING HAS BEEN PATCHED, IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT A PRECEDENT MM-HMM . AND THEN AS IT LEADS TO A PRECEDENT FOR THE OTHER WINDOWS, THAT'S NOT A PRECEDENT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT IS. BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOW ON THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE IS REINSTATED, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE USE WOULD NOT BE INHIBITED. OKAY. YEAH. WE'LL CONSIDER THAT. IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. YEAH. OKAY. AND HOW WOULD I GO ABOUT JUST ADDRESSING THAT? WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF. OKAY. THERE'S NO STIPULATION. THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. OKAY. THANKS SIR. YEAH, THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU. WE HAVE, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAY AYE VINNO AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE GROUP? AYE. TRAVIESO AYE. HOLLAND AYE BETS? AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE ITEM NUMBER 10 PLEASE? ITEM NUMBER 10, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 1 9 7 13 15 EAST PIRATE AVENUE. UM, THE HOMEOWNER AND APPLICANT, UH, JOSE CHARO IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, AND YOU CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE AS YOU STEP UP TO THE MIC. SIR, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THIS COMMISSIONER SABINO HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS JOSE SHIRE, OWNER OF 1315 EAST PIRON. MM-HMM . THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, IN THE FINDINGS, FINDING TEA ON THE GARAGE ORIENTATION, AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOW, UM, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE TALKED ABOUT, UM, HOW, UM, GARAGES SHOULD FOLLOW A HISTORIC SETBACK PATTERN AND OUTBUILDINGS, UH, A PATTERN OF SIMILAR STRUCTURES ALONG THE STREET, CAPE SCAPE. UM, AND THEN IN THE FINDING, STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST FOR A FRONT FACING GA GARAGE WHERE REQUESTED GENERALLY APPROPRIATE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SURE. SO WHEN THIS PRO UH, PROPERTY ORIGINALLY CAME TO THE HDRC FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, I BELIEVE IN AUGUST OF 2025, SO ABOUT A YEAR NOW, UM, STAFF HAD ORIGINALLY, UH, WAS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR A FRONT FACING GARAGE. UM, AFTER MANY DRCS, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE FOURTH OR MAYBE EVEN FIFTH HDRC HEARING FOR THIS REQUEST. UM, THE COMMISSION HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT ON, UM, SUPPORTING THE FRONT FACING GARAGE, UH, SO LONG AS IT FEATURES AT LEAST A THREE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE FRONT WALL PLANE OF THE, UM, KIND OF THE LEFT MASSING. SO, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH THE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDERS, NOW HE'S WORKED WITH HIS CURRENT BUILDER WHO'S BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, MUCH BETTER DOCUMENTATION FRANKLY. UM, AND SO HE'S BEEN ABLE TO INCORPORATE THE HGRC AND STAFF'S COMMENTS OVER THE PAST YEAR. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FEEL IT'S GENERALLY APPROPRIATE. UH, GIVEN THAT YOU PROVIDED ABOUT NINE OR 10, WE ALSO PROVIDED ABOUT NINE OR 10 PHOTOS OF HOMES THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT MISSION DISTRICT, UH, THAT MY WIFE AND I ACTUALLY DROVE AND, AND PROVIDED PHOTOS FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION SHOWING, UM, MANY HOMES WITH FRONT FACING GARAGES, UM, WHETHER IT'S A ONE OR TWO CAR GARAGE. AND THOSE PHOTOS WERE PROVIDED, UH, I FORGET HOW MANY DRCS AGO, BUT, UM, AT LEAST TWO, SEVERAL WERE PROVIDED, UH, IN BOTH DIGITAL AND, UH, PHYSICAL FORM. OKAY. YOU, ON YOUR SIDE [00:25:01] OF THE BLOCK, YOU HAVE, UH, WHAT LOOKS LIKE FOUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS FACING, UM, PYRON, UH, ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET, CORRECT? THEY'RE FOUR RESIDENTIAL. ARE ANY OF THOSE WITH ATTACHED CORRECTIONS? NO. UH, NO. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE, UH, 50 FOOT LOTS. UM, SO THE LOT SIZE, WELL I, I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT THAT ALL OF 'EM ARE 50 FOOT LOT, BUT MY LOT IS GONNA BE 50 FOOT. UM, WITH A 39 FOOT 11 INCH HOME, IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY ROOM TO DRIVE TO THE BACK. SO THAT'S WHY WE DID MENTION THAT WE WOULD, UM, HAVE MY ARCHITECT REDESIGN THE HOME WITH THAT SETBACK IN MIND. AND WE ALSO PUSHED THE, UM, OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOME FORWARD FIVE FEET, SO THAT WAY WE WILL HAVE THAT GARAGE SETBACK. UM, WE DID ALSO, UM, SAY THAT WE WOULD HAVE LIKE A WOOD LOOK, UH, DOOR TO NOT HAVE LIKE A MORE MODERN STYLE OF A GARAGE DOOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT IS APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE. WHAT'S THE MAIN CHANGE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK BETWEEN FINAL AND NO? SURE. SO, UM, THE APPLICANT SINCE COMING OR SINCE THE LAST TIME HE WAS, HE WAS HERE AT THE HDRC, HAS INCORPORATED A FEW CHANGES. MAINLY THE, UH, LEFT MASSING OF THE FRONT FACADE, HE PUSHED THAT CLOSER TO THE STREET, SO ALLOWING THAT TO BE MORE PROMINENT OR A LITTLE MORE PROMINENT THAN THE FRONT FACING GARAGE. UM, HE'S ALSO PROVIDED THE SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOWING THAT, UM, THE ADJACENT, UH, SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES AND THEIR SETBACKS, UM, ONE OF WHICH THE, OR ONE OF OUR STIPULATIONS IS, IS THAT HE INCREASES THAT WHICH HE'S AGREED WITH. UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FETZER HAD ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT HE, UM, EXTEND THE WRAPAROUND OF THE STONES WASTE CO, UH, WES COATING, UH, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS DONE. HE'S ALSO DECREASED THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE ROOF RIDGE. UM, INCORPORATING THE STIPULATION, I BELIEVE IT'S IN, UM, ONE OF THE EARLIER FINDINGS. UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED, UM, WITH NOT ONLY THE BUILDER BUT WITH STAFF TO TRY TO GET THE STIPULATIONS TRIMMED DOWN SINCE THE LAST TIME HE WAS HERE. OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THE APPLICANT MOTION? YES, I DO. SO BASED ON HIS, UH, ADHERENCE TO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE BY STAFF, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT THE ITEMS THAT ARE MAJOR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED? UM, FOR THE MOST PART, YES. THERE'S, UM, IF EDWARD, EDWARD, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE'S ABOUT THREE, I BELIEVE STIPULATE OR FOUR STIPULATIONS. UM, ONE OF WHICH IS JUST OUR STANDARD, UM, SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUESTED BY CITY ZONING OR IS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING. UM, A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN WHICH CAN BE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT BY JUST DRAWING ON THE SITE PLAN THAT HE HAS, UM, OUR STANDARD WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS, UH, WHICH HE'S AGREED WITH, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY STANDARD FOR THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. AND THEN THE AFOREMENTIONED, UM, INCREASE OF THE FRONT SETBACK TO BE GREATER THAN THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURE, WHICH HE'S ALSO AGREED WITH. SO STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE PROVIDING OR REQUESTING OR RECOMMENDING FINAL APPROVAL WITH THESE STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. MAKE A MOTION PLEASE, SIR. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM TEN ONE THREE ONE FIVE EAST PIRON AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THERE A SECOND. I SECOND SPEND MOVED. I PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. MOOKA AYE GROUP? AYE. RESO AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER? AYE. AND GIPPS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. CAN I SAY ONE THING? UM, PLEASE, SIR, GO AHEAD. I LOVE YOU LEONARDO. THIS IS FOR MY SON OVER THERE. WE'RE BUILDING THIS HOUSE FOR HIM, SO THANK YOU. AH, THANK YOU SIR. UM, ITEM NUMBER 11 PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 11, UM, IT'S 5 0 3. MARY LOUISE. UM, THE APPLICANT AND HOMEOWNER, TIM CLARK IS HERE IN PERSON TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, UH, MR. CLARK, IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UM, THEN THE COMMISSION WILL ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. PERFECT. HI, I'M TIM CLARK. I'M THE OWNER OF THE HOME. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR PESTER. YES. UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPRECIATES THAT, UH, YOUR INVESTMENT IN YOUR PROPERTY, BUT THEY DID HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS AND, UH, I DUNNO IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE AND WHAT YOUR COMMENTS WOULD BE TO YEAH, POSSIBLY, UH, ADJUST YOUR DESIGN TO BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THEIR COMMENTS. [00:30:01] UM, UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, I BELIEVE THAT THE STIPULATIONS THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS PLACED ON THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SATISFY THEM AT THIS POINT. UH, THE CITY STAFF REVIEWED WHAT WE PRESENTED AND KIND OF AGREED WITH WHAT WE SAID. KIND OF MY HESITATION OF GOING BACK TO THE HISTORIC, UH, COMMITTEE OR ASSOCIATION WAS I FELT A LITTLE BIT RESISTANCE ACTUALLY FROM THEM ABOUT MY PROJECT. AND I FELT LIKE WE WERE ALREADY DEVIATING INTO A DESIGN DECISION. UH, MOST OF THEIR COMMENTS THAT THEY'VE ADDRESSED, I MEAN, WE ADDRESSED SOME OF THEIR COMMENTS, WE REMOVED A SHED ROOF OFF TO THE SIDE, WE CHANGED THE COLOR OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, TWO OF THE THREE COMMENTS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAD BROUGHT UP ARE ALREADY ADDRESSED BY THE CITY STAFF. THE RIDGE HEIGHT, UH, ALSO THE DRIVEWAY AND NO PART OF THE REGULAR HOUSE IS PART OF THIS REVIEW AT ALL. LIKE, SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE. SO OTHER COMMENTS WERE REVIEWED, THOUGHT AND BROUGHT IN. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE ON WHICH DIRECTION THAT WE THOUGHT THE DESIGN SHOULD GO. THE HIP ROOF SEEMS TO BE THE HANGING POINT WITH MOST PEOPLE AND GENERALLY WE THOUGHT THE HIP ROOF WAS GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT TOO. I DON'T KNOW, MIMICKING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE TOO MUCH IS WHY WE DEVIATED FROM THE HIP ROOF WAS KIND OF LIKE OUR DESIGN DECISION, BUT MOST OF IT WAS INFLUENCED BY DESIGN DECISIONS, NOT NECESSARILY THEIR COMMENTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THEY WERE CONSIDERED, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THEM, BUT WE GENERALLY TOOK THE DIRECTION THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD THE CITY WOULD SUPPORT AND THEY DID WITH SIX STIPULATIONS. SO THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. UH, STEPH, WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND THE ROOF FORM AND THE MATERIAL ACCEPTED? UM, SO I KNOW FOR THE ROOF MATERIAL, THE APPLICANT HAD ORIGINALLY, UM, REQUESTED OR P WENT THROUGH A PRE-SUBMIT CONSULTATION, UH, WHICH WE HAD WITH A FEW COMMISSIONERS. UM, AND IT ORIGINALLY HAD PROPOSED A, UH, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH. UM, DISCUSSION WAS AROUND THE ROOF COLOR, UM, SO THE EXISTING DETACH REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UM, SO ROOF IS NOT HISTORIC AGE. UM, SO THE APPLICANT, UH, AT LEAST ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD, UH, NOTED THAT POTENTIALLY GOING WITH THIS TYPE OF COLOR ROOF WOULD, UH, COMPLIMENT THE THE PROPERTY. UM, AS FAR AS THE GABLE, UM, GOES, UH, GABLE ROOFS ARE, UH, FOUND THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UH, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT A HIP ROOF WOULD BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT SIMILAR TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. UM, HOWEVER STAFF FEELS THAT THE, THAT THE GABLE ROOF HERE IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. CAN YOU ALSO CLARIFY ON THE FENCING, WE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE PURVIEW OF THE TYPE OF FENCING, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, OH, I WANTED TO, OH, SORRY. I CAN SEE THE FENCING WE'RE NOT OH, SORRY. SORRY SIR. GO AHEAD MA'AM, GO AHEAD. SURE. SO, UM, THE, THE FENCING IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, AS A PART OF ITEM NUMBER THREE AND AS A PART OF THE OVERALL REQUEST, UM, CURRENTLY THEY HAVE A, UH, WROUGHT IRON FENCE THAT'S BACK THERE. UM, THE BREEZE BLOCK IS NOT SPECIFICALLY, UM, CALLED OUT BY GUIDELINES AS A DO NOT USE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE COMMON FOR LIKE A CMU OR A, UM, CORRUGATED METAL TYPE FENCING. SO STAFF FEELS THAT IT'S ALSO APPROPRIATE, THERE IS ONE ON LAKE, SO THERE IS A BREEZEWAY ONE WORK WAY. UM, AND THEN CAN MAYBE STAFF ADDRESS THE STEPS AND RAILING FROM THE FRONT AND SIDE DOOR ENTRANCES, HOW WE, AFTER THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY HAS BEEN REMOVED. UM, THE LAST COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SURE. SO, UH, I'LL DEFER TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, BASED ON THE RENDERINGS THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. UM, IT, IT DOES APPEAR THAT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE SOME, UH, CHANGES, BUT CAN YOU ADDRESS MAYBE SOME OF THE SURE. UM, COMMENTS FROM THE COM, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT THE CITY STAFF ASKED THAT THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT A FURTHER TIME IN A DIFFERENT COA, IT WOULDN'T BE REALLY PART OF THIS AND THAT PART WON'T BE TOUCHED AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. GOOD. I GUESS I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, ON THE WINDOWS, THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS, ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES THERE? I MEAN, IF THIS IS THE HILL TO DIE ON, YES, OF COURSE. IT JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO KEEP IT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE THE ROOM USABLE BY HAVING THE WINDOWS UP HIGH IN THE ALLEY AND IT IS FACING THE ALLEY. YEAH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON THE ONE FACING THE SIDE STREET OR THE HOUSE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND, UM, THE DIFFERENT SIZES AND LIKE, KIND OF LIKE, AND IT'S PROBABLY BASED 'CAUSE OF YOUR INTERIOR DESIGN? YES, TOTALLY. OKAY. AND IT GOES LIKE RIGHT UNDER THESE, LIKE THIS ROOF, IT WILL BE RIGHT AT THE ROOF LINE OR AT THE ROOF LINE. YES. [00:35:01] OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE? APPLICANT MOTION. I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION, SIR. UM, MR. CHAIR, MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, SUBMITTED AND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I JUST, UH, WANNA COMMEND THE DESIGNERS. I MEAN IT, I I LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO THE COMMENTS AND, UH, THE VERY INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE COMMENTS IS THAT THEY'RE ALSO VERY ELEGANT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, A SITUATION OF WHICH ONE IS BETTER AND, UH, WHEN THEY'RE BOTH BEAUTIFULLY ELEGANT, IT'S HARD TO PICK ONE. SO, BUT, BUT THIS IS, I FIND IT VERY GRACEFUL. SO THEY'RE NOT COMMENTS NECESSARILY THAT WOULD, I THINK, OR, OR ANY VALUE CONSTRUCTIVELY, BUT JUST IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN SOMEONE DOES GOOD WORK, THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT, SO THAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO THE, THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT THAT IS BEING ACHIEVED HERE. SO CONGRATULATIONS ON A GOOD DESIGN. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COMMENT MR. CHAIR, GO AHEAD AND THANKS. STIPULATION TO, UM, STEP CLARIFY, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THOSE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS, UM, TO MEET THAT STIPULATION. IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? UM, GENERALLY, YES. THE WINDOWS THAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING ON THAT ALLEY FACING FACADE, UM, HE WOULD NEED TO, PRIMARILY THE STIPULATION IS THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS THE APPROPRIATE RECESS WITHIN THE WALL. UM, AND THAT, UH, THE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS THREE, UH, GAINED ONES RIGHT THERE THAT THEY FEATURE A TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, ONE OVER ONE DESIGN WITH THE APPROPRIATE MEETING RAIL DIMENSIONS AND SUCH. UM, AND THEN I KNOW THAT OTHER PROPERTIES WITHIN DIFFERENT HISTORIC DISTRICTS HAS DONE A CLEAR STORY WINDOW THAT'S ALSO WOOD THAT ALSO MAKES SURE TO INCORPORATE THE TWO INCH, UM, RECESSED PORTION AND, AND SUCH. SO THAT, THAT'S MOSTLY WHAT THAT STIPULATION WOULD BE COVERING. AND I, AND I THINK JUST TO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PIECE, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO JUST KIND OF REVISE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT THE WINDOWS, MAYBE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ONE LONG, THAT'S MORE LIKE, ALMOST LIKE AN EXTENSION OF THE ROOF, THE KIND OF THE SEPARATION. I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE INTERNAL DESIGN. UM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY LINED UP WITH WINDOWS BELOW. I LIKE THE THREE THAT ARE TO THE RIGHT LINED UP WITH THE UPPER WINDOWS, BUT THE ONES BELOW THE ROOF, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SIZES. I DON'T MAYBE I THINK I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO JUST REVIEW, THAT'S NOT A STIPULATION, I THINK, BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ASK YOU TO DO THAT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A LAST MINUTE QUESTION, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ON COMMENTS. UM, UH, MR. CLARK, UM, WHEN YOU SAID ORIGINALLY THAT THE, UM, HIP ROOF WAS A HANGING POINT YES. WHAT DID, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? OR WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? OH, I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT, UH, PEOPLE HAVE A STRONG TENDENCY TO LIKE A HIP ROOF OR A GABLE ROOF. IT JUST SEEMS THAT PEOPLE SEEM TO BE IN TWO DIFFERENT CAMPS ABOUT IT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I SEE. OKAY. I, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT IS WHAT I RIGHT, RIGHT. AND YOUR AND YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT, UM, MAINTAINING THE GABLE IS THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE TOO MUCH OF A MATCHY-MATCHY SORT OF SITUATION, RIGHT? NOT AT ALL. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. UM, YEAH, I I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. BUT I DO HAVE AESTHETIC RE RESERVATIONS ABOUT NOT USING THE HIP ROOF. UNDERSTANDABLE. BECAUSE, UM, SO MANY OF THE OTHER FEATURES ARE SHARED OR THE CON CONCEPT OF THOSE FEATURES ARE SHARED WITH THE MAIN HOUSE. IT WON'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE MAIN HOUSE, YOUR A DU, BUT, UM, ADDING OR USING THE HIP ROOF IN THE SITUATION WOULD MAKE IT SEEM MORE LIKE THE ACCESSORY BUILDING TO THE MAIN HOUSE. IT, IT BECOMES PART OF THE COLLECTION AESTHETICALLY. WE'VE GOT SO MANY OTHER THINGS GOING ON WITH THE NEW, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT IT'S NEW. JUST MY 2 CENTS. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, VICE CHEF ESER. YES. AND, UH, I GUESS MY 2 CENTS ON, UH, THE DESIGN IS THAT, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ON PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT QUITE OFTEN DO NOT MATCH THE HISTORIC ORIGINAL HOUSE IN THEIR DETAILING. SO, UM, THE GABLE ROOF AND THE, THE VERTICAL SIDING, UM, PERSONALLY I THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR, FOR THIS, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FINAL COMMENTS? WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE. MAY AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE. GROUP. [00:40:01] AYE. RESO AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. ZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] NUMBER 13, PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 180 2 7 31 NORTH PALMETTO. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT, A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 7 31 NORTH PALMETTO. THIS STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED ON THE WESTERN HALF OF THE LOT AND FEATURE AN ORIENTATION TOWARD BURNETT STREET. THE STRUCTURE IS REFERRED TO AS THE BURNETT STRUCTURE AND STAFF'S FINDINGS, AND TWO, CONSTRUCTED A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 7 31 NORTH PALMETTO. THIS STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED ON THE EASTERN HALF OF THE LOT AND FEATURE AN ORIENTATION TOWARD NORTH PALMETTO. THE STRUCTURE IS REFERRED TO AS THE NORTH PALMETTO STRUCTURE AND STAFF'S FINDINGS. UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION FACING BURNETT STREET STAFFS STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A STRUCTURE THAT FEATURES PLACEMENT AND MASSING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT. TYPICALLY, A STRUCTURE AT THIS LOCATION WOULD FEATURE REDUCED MASSING. IT'S IN COMPARISON TO THE STRUCTURE FACING NORTH PALMETTO TO APPEARS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR WOULD FEATURE AN ORIENTATION IN AMASSING SIMILAR TO OTHER STRUCTURES FACING BURNETT. AND NUMBER TWO, THAT THE ROOF FORM BE REVISED TO FEATURE A PROFILE THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH GABLE ROOFS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE PROPOSED DESIGN FOR THE BURNETT STRUCTURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED. NUMBER THREE, THAT THE PORT TRAILING DETAILS SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. UH, ALL SQUARE WINDOWS SHOULD BE OPERABLE. AND THREE, THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW, UH, COMMISSIONERS. I WILL NOTE, UH, BEFORE I MOVE ON, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, SUBMITTED AN UPDATED DESIGN THAT I'LL PULL UP WHEN HE COMES UP TO PRESENT. AND THEN FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. UH, THIS IS FOR THE STRUCTURE FACE FACING NOR NORTH PALMETTO, UH, WITH STIPULATIONS THAT INCLUDE A PORCH RAILING DETAIL BEING SUBMITTED, WINDOWS ADHERING TO STAFF STANDARDS. UH, THE ALL SQUARE WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE DIVISIONS AND BE OP OR BE OPERABLE. UH, THE TAPERING PROFILE BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FRONT WALKWAY, UH, SHOULD IT INCREASE FROM FOUR FEET IN WIDTH TO MATCH THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH. AND THEN, UH, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE SCREENED FROM VIEW. UH, THERE'S ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT A FINAL SETBACK DIAGRAM AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SETBACK INSPECTION PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF A FOUNDATION. UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. OCTAVIA VIRAMONTES, IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, AND I, AS I MENTIONED, I'LL PULL UP A LATE DOCUMENT THAT HE'S PREPARED. UM, AND I GUESS COMMISSIONERS, UM, I, IF, IF WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE STRUCTURE FACING PALMETTO, WE CAN, BUT I THINK THAT'S FOR THE MOST PART BEEN RESOLVED. UH, AND SO I'LL PULL UP THE UPDATED DOCUMENT FOR THE STRUCTURE THAT FACES BURNETT. UH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT STAFF HAS, UH, COMMENTS ON AND STAFF HASN'T RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. UH, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW? I'LL JUST PULL UP THE ELEVATIONS IS AN UPDATED DESIGN. THIS DESIGN IS NOT REFLECTED IN STAFF'S COMMENTS, SO THIS IS NEW. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS SOTA MONT AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. INDEED, AFTER WE RECEIVED THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE BURNETT, UH, HOUSE, WE TRY TO FOLLOW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, I MEAN, AS, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE, UH, WE DID REDUCE THE MASSIVE, THE MASSIVE OF IT, UH, REDUCE THE HEIGHT AND ALSO REDUCE THE, THE, THE FRONT, THE FRONTAGE OF IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. YET SINCE OUR LOT HAS A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION AS MOST OF THE LOTS THAT ARE NOT IN THE CORNER, THAT'S WHAT FORCES US TO NOT BE ABLE TO REDUCE IT, UH, UH, MORE. UM, YET, UM, MOST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, THAT WERE DONE REGARDING WINDOWS REGARDING THE RAILING, UH, DESIGNS, UH, WALKWAYS, ET CETERA, THOSE, ALL OF THOSE HAD BEEN ADDRESSED AND, AND CAN BE SEEN IN THE, IN THE JUST SENT, UH, VERSION OF THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR OBSERVATIONS WITH REGARD TO THE LATEST, UH, DESIGN. WELL, SO YOU HAVE TIME TO PRESENT YOUR CASE. SO ARE, ARE YOU, ARE YOU DONE PRESENTING YOUR CASE AND THEN WELL, IT, IT, IT'S VERY SIMPLE. BASICALLY, I THINK THE TWO ASPECTS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE IN DISCUSSION WERE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WE REDUCED CONSIDERABLY. UH, WE NOW, WE NOW HAVE THE, THE, THE TOP PLATE TO, TO ONLY 14 FEET AND OUR ROOF, UH, IT'S OF COURSE THERE, THERE'S A GABLE THAT IS OVER A LITTLE BIT OF 20, 21 FEET HIGH, BUT MOST OF THE BUILDING HAS A, [00:45:01] A, A HEIGHT OF 21 FEET. UM, AND ALSO THE FRONTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE, IT'S, UH, IT'S ONLY 45, 46 FEET, UH, WIDE NOW AS, AS IT CAN BE SEEN. AND OF COURSE, UH, WE, WE, WE, WE HAVE THE BODY THAT STICKS OUT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS, WHICH HELPS SO THAT THE MASSIVENESS OF THE BUILDING DOESN'T, UH, AFFECT US MUCH. THAT'S BASICALLY THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THAT WE'VE DONE TO THE DESIGN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE, WHERE WE WERE GETTING THE, THE COMMENTS FROM. CORRECT. AND, AND I CAN CHIME IN. UM, I WILL, I'M GOING TO PULL UP, UH, THE RE THE DESIGN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THAT STAFF REVIEWED. UM, AND THERE WERE PRIMARILY TWO COMMENTS AND THE SAME GENERAL TWO COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAS HAD, AND THAT'S THE WIDTH IN COMPARISON, UH, TO THE WIDTH OF OTHER STRUCTURES, HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT FACE BURNETT, AND THEN THE WIDTH OF THE STRUCTURE IN COMPARISON TO, UH, THE STRUCTURE FACING NORTH PALMETTO. UH, SO IF YOU THINK OF THIS IN A HISTORIC CONTEXT, STRUCTURE FACING NORTH PALMETTO AS THE PRIMARY, THIS IN THE REAR WOULD BE A SECONDARY STRUCTURE. UM, GENERALLY I'LL SAY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UH, THIS IS BETTER. UH, THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN REDUCED IN WITH, UH, THE SECOND THING THAT STAFF HAD CONCERN ABOUT, AND I THINK I MAY HAVE NO HERE. IT'S, UM, THE DESIGN, UH, PRIOR TO TODAY'S REVISION, UM, FEATURED, UM, A ROOF FORM, ESPECIALLY WHEN VIEWED IN SIDE, SIDE PROFILE, UH, THAT'S PRETTY ATYPICAL FOR FORMS THAT YOU SEE IN THE DISTRICT. UM, YOU'LL SEE HIP ROOFS, YOU'LL SEE GABLED ROOFS, UH, BUT NOT QUITE IN THIS CONFIGURATION WITH THE SIDE PROFILE THAT WE SEE HERE. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE REVISED DESIGN, THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED THAT AND ADDRESSED IT TO WHERE, UH, IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WOULD BE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UH, SO, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE MASSING AS IT RELATES TO THE WIDTH AND IN REGARDS TO THE ROOF FORM, STAFF DOES FIND THIS TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT. WE, THE FOLLOWING SHEET WHERE ALSO, UH, SHOWS WE PREPARE THE FOLLOWING SHEET WHERE IT SHOWS SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, HOW WE TRY TO SIMULATE SOME OF THE SHAPES AND, AND, AND EVEN, UH, HEIGHTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA TO, TO, TO TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE STREET. MR. CHAIR, QUESTION FOR STAFF. ONE MOMENT, SIR. I'M, I'M, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WERE, YOU WERE GOOD, SIR? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD SIR. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION, EDWARD? I'M, I'M NOTICING THAT AT A 21 FOOT HEIGHT, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ACCOMMODATED QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT OF SPACE UNDERNEATH THE TYPICAL PLATE LINE. SO HE'S, HE'S GETTING HIS, HIS, UH, RAPTOR SITTING WELL BELOW EIGHT FEET. SO IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM THAT'S BEEN REMOVED, SO HE'S KIND OF UP AGAINST A WALL WITH SPACE? WELL, I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PARTICULAR DESIGN AND, AND WHAT'S THERE, BUT THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS REDUCED THE HEIGHT AND THE WIDTH, UM, THROUGH EACH ITERATION TO BRING THE MASSING DOWN. UH, AND SO THE, IT'S EVEN I BEEN REDUCED HERE. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT STARTED OFF WITH, BUT I, HE'S PROBABLY REDUCED IT SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET, UM, FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'S I'LL RESERVE COMMENTS FOR THE THANK YOU. UM, SO I'LL CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS IN THAT DIRECTION SINCE WE STARTED THAT WAY. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER, MAYOR, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS CHAIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLWAY NO QUESTIONS. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO STAFF, YOU'RE, UM, EDWARD, YOU'RE, UM, COMMENTING THAT THIS, UH, LATE SUBMITTAL IS BETTER, CORRECT? CORRECT. IS IT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THE FILTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE HISTORIC BLOCK AND THIS AS A SECONDARY OR ACCESSORY TO THE MAIN HOUSE THAT FRONTS PALMETTO, DO YOU THINK IT'S ALSO CONFORMING? UH, NO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT ANY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UH, THAT'S A STANDALONE, THAT'S NOT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THIS SITUATION, UH, PROBABLY WOULD MATCH. UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, WE WILL SEE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UH, WHETHER IT'S GOT AN 800 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT OR A 900 OR A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT. UH, AND THEN BEHIND THAT WE'LL SEE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT'S REDUCED IN SIZE. UM, WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE IS WHAT WE COMMONLY SEE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WHERE THERE'S A VACANT LOT, UH, AND SOMEBODY HAS THE ZONING IN PLACE TO BUILD A PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR A SECOND STRUCTURE DIVIDE TO LOT, WHATEVER IT [00:50:01] MAY BE. UM, SO NO, I MEAN IT, THE, I I DON'T THINK THAT THESE TWO WILL RELATE. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS UPDATED IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN COMMENTING ON FROM THE START. OKAY. UH, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CASE UNLESS THERE WAS A TRUE 400 SQUARE FOOT OR 300 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. RIGHT. BUT CLEARLY WE EVEN ALLOW THAT SOME, A GREAT AMOUNT OF LATITUDE AND FLEXIBILITY. WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT. UM, BECAUSE, UM, IN THE FINDINGS, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, A STRUCTURE IN THIS LOCATION WOULD FEATURE A REDUCED MASSING IN COMPARISON TO THE STRUCTURE FACING NORTH. AND, UM, SO A COUPLE OF FEET HERE AND THERE YOU FEEL LIKE IS REDUCED MASSING NUMERICALLY IT, IT'S REDUCED, RIGHT. UM, PER PERCEPTION WISE, SO THE, I I'LL CLARIFY, UM, YEAH, THE COMMENT WAS REDUCED IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REDUCED THE MASSING, UH, AND THE WIDTH, THE HEIGHT, ET CETERA, IN EACH DESIGN REVISION. UM, IN RE AS FAR AS REDUCED IN REGARDS TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UH, THEN NO, THAT WOULD GO BACK TO YOU HAVE A PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT'S A SIZE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A SECONDARY STRUCTURE THAT'S A SMALLER SIZE THAN THAT. UM, SO, UH, NO, NOT IN REGARDS TO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING BY MAKING THAT COMMENT THAT, UH, BY THE APPLICANT REDUCING BY TWO FEET OR THREE FEET AND THEN DROPPING THE HEIGHT BY TWO OR THREE FEET, THAT WE NOW FIND THAT IT'S SMALLER THAN THE OTHER STRUCTURE. UH, BUT LIKE I SAID, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW IS, IS IMPROVED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S BETTER. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP, SORRY. UH, THE WINDOWS ON, ON THE BURNETT ON THE EAST FACADE, UH, THEY SEEM A LOT HIGHER THAN THE ONES FROM THE FRONT PLACED. YOU CAN SHOW THE FOURTH OF THEM WHERE IF NOT GO TO SLIDE SEVEN OF THAT EXTRA LATE SUBMITTAL. ONE MORE SLIDE IS JUST THE DESIGN OR ARE YOU PLACING THEM? ARE THEY, BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALL AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE HEIGHT? I'M SORRY, WHICH WINDOWS YOU, THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU A WHILE AGO, EDWARD, ABOUT THE PLATE HEIGHT, SEE IT, IT HAS THAT EFFECT ON THE WINDOWS. YES. YEAH, YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH, WITH WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO WITH, WITH, WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE NOW. SO BY REMOVING THE FRONT WINDOWS TO THE LEFT AND THE FRONT, THAT'S WHY YOU INCLINED MORE THAT LITTLE ROOF THAT GOES OVER THE PORCH KIND OF TO MAKE IT LIKE MAYBE AS IF IT WAS ONE. AND WHAT'S THE, THAT FRONT ROOF IS NOW MATCHING EXACTLY THE SAME SLOPE AS THE REST OF THE HOUSE, WHICH AT SOME POINT WAS ALSO ONE OF THE OBSERVATIONS OF THE CAR. OKAY. BUT WHEN YOU LOWERED IT, THEN YOU REMOVED ALL THOSE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE? WE DID, YES. YEAH, WE DID REMOVE, WE REMOVED ALL THE WINDOWS. UH, AND MAYBE JUST CHECK ON YOUR WINDOW PLACEMENTS ON THE EAST. I WOULD SUGGEST TO LOWER THEM A LITTLE BIT. YES. YEAH, TO MATCH THE FRONT. YEAH, THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY MATCH THE SAME HEIGHT. WE, WE WILL CHECK THAT NOW. I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN. YES. UM, AND THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE STAFF, SO IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS LATE DESIGN, THEN THE STIPULATIONS YOU HAVE AS IN RECOMMENDED ARE ENOUGH, I THINK IN WHATEVER MOTION TO APPROVE, WE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS OR IF YOU FELT THAT MORE WORK WAS NEEDED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE, THAT THOSE WOULD BE INCLUDED IN MOTION. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TARSO. NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MS. UGA, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR PESSLER. YES. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU PROVIDED SOME PHOTOS ON SHEET FIVE OF YOUR LATE SUBMITTAL, CORRECT? OF THE, UH, ARE THESE IN THE SAME BLOCK AS YOUR BURNETT HOUSE? YES, SIR. THEY'RE ON THE SAME BLOCK. OKAY. UH, UH, WITH DECEPTION, I'M SORRY, WITH DECEPTION OF THE BOTTOM LEFT, THOSE ARE MAYBE ANOTHER BLOCK AWAY. THERE'S TWO. OKAY. UM, UH, SOME ARE IN FRONT, I'M TRYING TO SEE, SOME ARE ACROSS THE STREET. UH, 1107 ARE ACROSS THE STREET, AND UH, 1112 IS ALSO ACROSS THE STREET, I BELIEVE. OKAY. 1105 IS ANOTHER BLOCK. YES. 1105 AND 1106 [00:55:01] ARE A DIFFERENT BLOCK. 10 0 5. 10 0 5. I'M SORRY. 10 0 5. OKAY. YEAH. UM, AND WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS THAT, UH, ON THE TWO STORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE HISTORIC, THEY TY THEY EITHER HAVE A HIP ROOF FACING THE STREET OR THEY HAVE A GABLE ROOF PARALLEL TO THE STREET WITH DORMERS, SUCH AS AT 1106 IT HAS DORMERS ON A, ON A, UH, PITCHED ROOF. AND THEN THE ONE AT 10 0 5 HAS A, UH, A DORMER ON A HIP ROOF BEHIND THAT TREE. UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK TO THE IMAGE ON SHEET ONE, WHERE YOU'VE INSERTED YOUR STRUCTURE IN THE, UH, CONTEXT OF THE, THE, THE BLOCK THAT YOU'RE ON, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE TWO ADJACENT HOUSES HAVE SORT OF CLIPPED THE GABLE ROOFS. AND SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER EITHER A HIP ROOF ON THAT, THAT PROJECTING BAY WITH A DORMER TO PICK UP YOUR WINDOWS FOR YOUR BEDROOM AND YOUR BATH ON THE SECOND FLOOR? OR AT LEAST A CLIP THE GABLE TO, UH, IT WOULD HELP IN THE PERCEIVED, UH, MASSING ON THE, THE STREET FACADE? IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT WE DID THINK OF THE CLIP GABLE AT SOME POINT WE'RE VERY LIMITED, UH, TO DO THE HIP BECAUSE OF THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE INSIDE. MM-HMM . BUT THE CLIP IS DEFINITELY NOT A PROBLEM. I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT. YES, DEFINITELY. RIGHT? YES, WE, WE DID THINK OF IT, BUT UH, TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER IMAGES, WE KINDA, UH, STEPPED AWAY FROM IT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY DO. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. YES SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, MOTION? NO MORE QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE YOUR MOTION, SIR. OKAY, SIR. A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE UPDATED VERSION ADDING A STIPULATION FOR, UH, THE CLIPPED, UH, GABLE, UM, WITH ALL OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION IF SOMETHING SIR. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER ME. NO, NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER SABINE? NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. JUST WANNA ASK STAFF, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? UM, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S THE MOTION STIPULA. UM, I I JUST WANTED A BIT OF CLARIFICATION. UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, WHEN YOU MENTIONED STAFFS OTHER STIPULATIONS I'M UNDER GIVE THE ASSUMPTION YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOTING STIPULATIONS THREE, FOUR AND FIVE, UH, IN REGARDS TO PORCH RAILING WINDOWS ADHERING TO STAFF STANDARDS AND THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THEN NO MORE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JAR. SO NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER ZUKA? NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR FITZER, NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE MAY. AMEN. AYE. SAVINO NAY VELASQUEZ AYE. GALLOWAY AYE. ZUKA AYE GROUP? AYE. RESO AYE. HOLLAND? AYE. FETZER AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. YOU TOO. THANK YOU SIR. ITEM NUMBER 14 PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 2 0 4 5 2 3 ADAMS STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE STORY 912 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE STORY 912 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS THE BELOW STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING FOR, FOR FURTHER OR FINAL REVIEW, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REARRANGE THE MASSING IN SUCH A WAY THAT RESULTS IN MORE TRADITIONAL ROOF FORMS AND MATERIAL USE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT [01:00:01] UPDATE THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS COMMONLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY AT THIS FACADE, VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD SIMPLIFY THE REAR GABLE DETAILING AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAIL DRAWINGS OF THE EYEBROW ARTICULATION DETAIL AND EXTERNAL CHIMNEY THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOWED THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR PORCH REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION TO INCLUDE THREE INCH WIDE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING INSTALLED BACK TO FRONT WITH A SMOOTH FINISH AND A RAILING THAT FEATURES ATOP AND BOTTOM RAIL AND SIMPLE DESIGN. FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL MATERIAL AND PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE SIDING, ROOFING, WINDOWS, AND DOORS, AND THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. UM, NATE MANFRED HERE IS TO REPRESENT THE REQUEST. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE HOMEOWNER WHO'S ALSO PRESENT WITH ME. UM, MR. FETZER, I MEAN MR. FELDBERG. I'M SORRY MR. FETZER'S HERE. UM, AND SO YEAH, IN READING SIR, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. I'M SORRY. I'M NATE MANFRED WITH, UH, FRENCH AND MICHIGAN THE DESIGN FIRM. GO AHEAD. SO, UM, READING THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, UH, THEM HERE INDIVIDUALLY JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED NOW THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THESE. UM, WITH RECOMMENDATION ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REARRANGE THE MASSING IN SUCH A WAY THAT RESULTS IN MORE TRADITIONAL ROOF FORMS AND MATERIAL USE. UM, WE WORKED PRETTY EXTENSIVELY WITH THE HOMEOWNER, UH, FOR THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE MASSING IN THE REAR, UH, TO DEVELOP KIND OF THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS OF THE HOMEOWNER AND HIS DESIRE TO MAINTAIN BACKYARD SPACE FOR FUTURE IMPROVED LANDSCAPING AND FOR FUTURE, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE POOL. UH, THE OTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WE ARE NOT TOUCHING, SO THAT KIND OF LIMITED THE DIRECTION IN WHICH WE COULD DESIGN THIS ADDITION. UM, HAVING SAID THAT AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNER, I THINK WHEN WE GO TOWARDS FINAL APPROVAL, WE ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE ASKING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ROOF OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN IN TURN EXTENDING THE ROOF MATERIAL OF ADDITION TO METAL ROOFING VERSUS THE ASPHALT SHINGLE. I KNOW THAT WILL BE DEALT WITH AT A SEPARATE TIME. BUT THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW US TO LOOK AT THE FLAT ROOF FORMS WE ARE PROPOSING IN THIS TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE OF A PITCHED ROOF, UH, PERHAPS A LOW SLOPE PITCHED ROOF, WHICH YOU FIND THROUGHOUT KING WILLIAM FOR THESE TYPES OF KIND OF PIECES THAT COME OFF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. UM, USUALLY THE, YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENTARY USES WITHIN THE PLANS. SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL HEAD AS WE HEAD TOWARDS FINAL APPROVAL. UM, FOR NUMBER TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, UPDATE THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS COMMONLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY AT THE F SIDE, VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNER, WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO, UM, PUT A MORE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONED SASH WINDOW IN THAT, UM, FACADE. PARTICULARLY AS WE LOOK TO DEMOLISH PARTS OF THE EXISTING HOME. WE WILL HAVE, PARTICULARLY THE REAR WALL, WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS THAT WE ARE GONNA PULL. AND THE WHOLE INTENT THE WHOLE TIME IS TO REUSE ANY WINDOWS THAT WE PULL FROM ANY PART OF THE HOUSE TO REUSE THEM. OR IF ANYTHING THAT'S IS LEFT IN, YOU KNOW, AS EXTRA WINDOWS, WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE THOSE STORED. SO MORE PLACES WE CAN REUSE THESE WINDOWS IN AREAS THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. WE'RE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, GONNA DO IN THE NEXT FINAL ITERATION. I WILL SAY THERE'S A SERIES OF HIGH WINDOWS ON THE REAR FACADE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HIGH WITHIN A CLOSET SPACE. WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, USING THOSE, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME SIZE. UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE HIGH WITHIN THE CLOSET, JUST YOU KNOW, AGAIN FOR PRIVACY AND, YOU KNOW, TO REDUCE ANY SUN DAMAGE COMING IN THROUGH THOSE WINDOWS TO PROVIDE NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE CLOSET. AND ALSO SO WE DON'T HAVE LARGE FACADES OF THESE WALLS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY FENESTRATION. SO WE CAN KIND OF BREAK THOSE THINGS UP. UM, AS I, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED NUMBER THREE HERE, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD SIMPLIFY THE REAR GABLE DETAILING AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS OF THE EYEBROW ARTICULATION DETAIL AND EXTERNAL CHIMNEY. SO FOR THE REAR GABLE THERE, WE HAVE PUT IN THIS KIND OF SUNBURST DESIGN. THAT DESIGN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PULLED FROM THE FRONT GABLE, THE LITTLE PEEKABOO GABLE THAT COMES UP OVER THE PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, OR IS PART OF THE PRIMARY ROOF. UM, AND ALSO IS EVIDENT IN ALL OF THE GABLE VENTS AROUND THE EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO THE HOMEOWNER HAD ASKED US TO LOOK AT MAYBE DOING A DETAIL THAT CELEBRATED THAT DETAIL ON THE REAR GABLE OVER THE EXTERIOR REAR PORCH. SO THAT'S [01:05:01] WHERE THAT DETAIL HAS COME FROM. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO THE HOMEOWNER ABOUT THOSE DETAILS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE STILL ARE INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING. UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EYEBROWS OVER THESE COMPONENTS THAT ARE KIND OF FLAT ROOFED, WE HAD PUT THOSE IN AS A SENSE OF ARTICULATION, AGAIN, TO BREAK UP ANY CUBE KIND OF WALL SPACE, PROVIDE SHADOW ARTICULATION, BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA RECONSIDER THE ROOF MATERIAL AND THEN IN TURN RECONSIDER THE ROOF FORMS OVER THOSE AREAS. THAT EYEBROW MAY KIND OF COME OFF THE DESIGN JUST BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY ANYMORE. UM, AS FAR AS THE FIREPLACE, EXTERNAL CHIMNEY FOR THE FINAL, WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT. AND THEN AS WE LOOK AT ITEMS 4, 5, 6 AND SEVEN, FOUR BEING THE APPLICANT TO FOLLOW THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR PORCH REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION TO INCLUDE THREE INCH WIDE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING INSTALLED BACK TO FRONT WITH A SMOOTH FINISH AND RAILING THAT FEATURES A TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL AND A SIMPLE DESIGN. YEAH, WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THOSE DETAILS DURING THE FINAL. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR PORCHES. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, STRAY TOO FAR FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, OR WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THOSE DETAILS. I SHOULD SAY, UH, NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL MATERIAL AND PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE SIDING, ROOFING, WINDOWS, AND DOORS. WE WILL PROVIDE ALL THOSE DETAILS. THE WINDOW DEPTHS, THE STYLE, THE MATERIAL. IN THIS CASE, ALL THE WINDOWS WILL BE WOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE WILL ALL BE PROVIDED DURING THE FINAL. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, AND THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS REQUIRED BY THE CITY ZONING, YES, WE WILL DO THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE OWNER RIGHT NOW, WE WERE REQUESTING, UH, TO GO NINE INCHES AND THESE DRAWINGS SHOW A NINE INCH INCURSION INTO THE SIDE SETBACK. WE ARE GONNA MODIFY THAT. SO WE ARE NOT INCUR, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE, I'M SORRY, WE ARE NOT GOING BEYOND THAT SIDE SETBACK LINE. UM, SO WE SHOULD BE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WITHIN WHAT THE, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS WILL ALLOW. AND THEN, UH, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT CAME UP WITH THE OWNER AND DISCUSSION IS, UH, THE REAR PORCH AS WE'VE DESIGNED IT. UM, WE HAVE SOME VAGARIES ABOUT WHAT THOSE COLUMNS MAY BE. UM, THE HOMEOWNER HAS ASKED US TO LOOK AT MIMICKING OR DOING A SIMILAR CIRCULAR KIND OF DORK COLUMN THAT HE HAS ON THE FRONT PORCH, UM, ON THE REAR PORCH. SO ONE THING THAT CAME UP LATE IN THIS DISCUSSION THAT I HAD PROVIDED TO OUR STAFF, CASE MANAGER WAS DISCUSSING THAT. SO THAT WASN'T ADDED INTO THIS PACKAGE AS I BROUGHT THIS UP, A COUPLE, A FEW DAYS BACK. SO JUST WOULD LIKE ANY INPUT ON THAT. AGAIN, JUST THE HOMEOWNERS INTERESTED IN MAYBE PULLING THOSE DETAILS FROM THE FRONT AND CARRYING THEM INTO THE REAR. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, WE WILL START WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. I'LL START DOWN ON MY FAR RIGHT, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ QUESTIONS, A QUESTION FOR STAFF, JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THE MASSING. SO THE, THE MASSING AS THE, UH, ADDITION GROWS OUT OF THE BACK SEEMS ACCEPTABLE. OKAY. SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THAT. MM-HMM . OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ME NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY. NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS, ON THE FLAT ROOFS. UM, 17 ONE BEFORE, OR MAYBE IT'S ONE, I GUESS, UH, THE CONCERN OF THAT FLAT ROOF, ESPECIALLY THE VIEW FROM THE FRONT, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD BE THE BOTTOM FLAT. OKAY. YEAH. AND I GUESS YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THAT DETAIL KIND OF TO MINIMIZE THE VIEW. I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING NOT A LOT OF IT WILL BE VISIBLE, BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A BIG CONCERN ON FLAT ROOFS, YOU KNOW, OVER PATIOS OR IN THE BACK. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU WOULD RECONSIDER THAT RECONSIDER THE FLAT ROOF THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT? OH YEAH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING FOR. IF WE'RE, I KNOW, BUT WE CAN'T REALLY REVIEW THIS SAYING. YEAH, YEAH. THERE'LL BE A METAL ROOF AT SOME POINT. YEAH. WE HAVE TO VIEW IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. SURE. AND I THINK THAT ONE WAS PROBABLY, SO ARE YOU ASKING IF WE WOULD RECONSIDER IT TO BE NOT A FLAT ROOF? YEAH. YES. OR IS THERE, IS IT LIKE A, IT'S JUST A PATIO, RIGHT? WELL, NO. OR IS IT OVER? THE ONE FACING THE FRONT IS OVER THE BATHROOM AND SO, BUT I MEAN WE, SO WE HAVE THREE LOCATIONS WITH A KIND OF FLAT ROOF. ONE IS KIND OF OVER THE REAR, [01:10:01] UH, MUDROOM. ONE IS AT THE FACING ATOMS KIND OF OVER A BATHROOM. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS AN EXTENSION OF THE BACK PATIO PORCH. OKAY. SO IF WE'RE WILLING, IF WE'RE GOING BACK AND WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER ANOTHER ROOF MATERIAL, THEN THAT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO A ROOF SLOPE. WE THINK WE COULD GET AN APPROPRIATE SLOPE TO GET EVERYTHING OFF THE ROOF AND MAYBE REDUCE ANY WEIRD CONDITIONS IN THE ROOF DESIGN. OKAY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO MOVE TO CONCEPTUAL WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS, I GUESS I JUST WANNA KEEP THAT STIPULATION JUST TO KEEP THE DISCUSSION GOING. YEAH. IS THAT WOULD BE OKAY. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. AND ALSO THE SECOND STIPULATION, EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE EXPLAINED THE DETAILS, UM, I GUESS KEEPING IT THERE, BECAUSE YOU SAID IT KIND OF DEPENDS WHAT WE END UP WITH WITH THE EYEBROW. YEAH, WELL I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO GO TO A DIFFERENT ROOF MATERIAL, AGAIN WITH AN ASPHALT ROOF, YOU HAVE A VERY MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, YOUR SLOPE HAS TO BE TALLER THAN WITH A METAL ROOF. YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, LOW SLOPE ROOFS, YOU KNOW, OUR METAL ROOFS, SO IF WE GO WITH A METAL ROOF, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT HOMEOWNERS VERY INTERESTED IN DOING, AND WE AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A GREAT OPTION, THEN WE DON'T FEEL WE WOULD HAVE THE NEED TO DO THAT ARTICULATION OVER KIND OF A, BASICALLY A CUBE SHAPE WITH A FLAT ROOF THAT WOULD JUST LOOK VERY FLAT. SO THE I IDEA OF THE EYEBROW WAS AGAIN, TO BREAK THAT UP, PROVIDE SOME SHADOW LINES, BUT THEN A CONCEPTUAL WITH KEEPING THOSE STIPULATIONS WILL STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. I'M SORRY FOR YOU, KEEPING THE STIPULATIONS THERE WILL STILL MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD? YES. YES. YEAH, WITHOUT A DOUBT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER RAVI, SO NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ZUKA. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR FETZER. YES, I WAS THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES AS COMMISSIONER GRUBE, IF, UM, YOU HAVE INTENT TO, UM, FURTHER DEVELOP THE DESIGN WITH A, UH, POSSIBLY A METAL ROOF FORM THAT WOULD, UH, ADDRESS SOME OF STAFF'S CONCERNS, UM, AND SOME OF THE OTHER DETAILING. UM, AND SO I WAS WONDERING WHETHER A CONTINUANCE TO ALLOW YOU A TIME TO FURTHER DEVELOP AND WORK WITH YOUR CLIENT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND THEN COME BACK TO US, UH, WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN CONCEPTUAL. I'M, UH, WAFFLING BACK AND FORTH. SO, UM, I GUESS IF YOU'RE, SO YOU ARE OKAY WITH THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? YEAH, WE'VE HAD A, A DISCUSSION HERE IN ADVANCE. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT IN HOUSE IN THE STUDIO, AND SO WE ARE, I THINK EVERYBODY ON OUR SIDE IS COMFORTABLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE THINGS WE'RE PRESENTING TO MOVE FORWARD TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO FORWARD TO FINAL APPROVAL. UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY WILL SEE THIS AS PART OF THE PROCESS. AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION TO ASK FOR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. YES, YES. ON THE, AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO IN THIS NEXT ITERATION. RIGHT. I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO ASK, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION HERE, IF THERE WAS ANY THOUGHTS AGAIN, IT, I'M BRINGING THIS UP LATE, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PART OF THE INITIAL PACKAGE WAS THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH. IF ANYBODY HAD ANY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS OR NOTES ON THAT IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, CARRYING THOSE ROUND KIND OF DOOR COLUMNS TO THE BACK, UM, PORCH. WELL, LET'S, LET'S WAIT FOR A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO SOME DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR. I MAKE A MOTION. GO AHEAD, SIR. UH, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ACT, UH, UM, WITH CONSIDERATION FOR, UM, UH, ROOF FORMS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE, UH, UM, HDRC WHEN SUCH ROOF FORMS ARE, UM, COMPLETED. TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. IT'S CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL YES. WITH STAFF STIPULATION. YES. THERE SECOND. I'LL SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. SECOND DISCUSSION. WELL, WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, LOOKING AT THE ROOFS HAVING, IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S A PENDING PROBLEM. THE PLAN IS, IS, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKED OUT AND THE FACT THAT IT'S SUBORDINATE AND SITTING IN THE BACK AND IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T RAISE ANY FLAGS FOR STAFF. NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROOF, I CAN SEE THAT, UH, MOST TYPICAL SOLUTIONS WOULD RAISE THE ROOF TO A HEIGHT HIGHER THAN [01:15:01] THE ROOF THAT'S IN THE FRONT. SO THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM. UM, AND I DO UNDERSTAND, UH, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE IDEA THAT MAYBE MATERIAL ENABLES, UM, A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THERE'S NOT, UM, WATER INFILTRATION. NOW THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE SOLUTION, UH, FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW IS DESIGNED APPROPRIATE, BUT THAT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEAL WITH THE SURROUND OF THE FLAT, UM, IS VERY COMMON, UH, ON PORCHES. BUT, UH, AND, AND THESE, THESE FLATS ARE, ARE SEGMENTED AWAY FROM THE BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A, I THINK A WAY TO MAYBE MATCH SOME EXISTING AESTHETICS, EVEN IF THE CONDITIONS ARE, ARE TYPICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THIS. BUT I THINK AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE TYPE OF A PROBLEM THAT CAN CRACK YOUR HEAD, YOU KNOW, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT YOU COME UP WITH. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER MAYMAN? NO COMMENTS SIR. NO COMMENTS. MR. THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER GROUP. WELL, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME, I MEAN, I, I THINK AS THE ROOF IS TODAY WITH THE ASPHALT SHINGLE, YES IT NEEDS, UH, I GUESS I'M ALSO NOT, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT IN FAVOR OF THE FLAT FORMS, RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHY I WANT THAT TO STAY. UM, THE STIPULATION TWO ON THE FENESTRATION, I THINK THAT ONE, YOU KIND OF SOLVED THE FRONT ONE, BUT I'M STILL WORRIED ABOUT SOME OF THE REAR ONES AND, AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER, I GUESS IT WAS ONE TO THE SIDE, UH, CLOSER TO THE FRONT. SO I WOULD JUST KEEP THAT STIPULATION AS WELL AND MINIMIZE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN THOSE HORIZONTAL, NON-TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, DESIGN FENESTRATIONS AND I THINK THE REST, UM, WILL ROBOT WILL COME BY ITSELF. I DO WANNA SAY, I GUESS THAT EXTRA CHIMNEY, AND I'M A LITTLE WORRIED. I'M LIKE, ARE WE TRYING TO MIMIC THE FRONT? I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO MAKE IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S THE HISTORIC CHIMNEY THAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY LIKE, I WOULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT. IS IT AN EXTERIOR? IS IT ANOTHER FIREPLACE YOU'RE INTRODUCING? YEAH, WE'RE INTRODUCING ANOTHER, UH, WOODBURN FIREPLACE. AND SO YEAH, I MEAN WE WERE KIND OF TAKING THE DETAIL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE FORM IS COMING OFF OF THAT EXISTING. YEAH, I KIND OF ALSO WANNA SEE LIKE, THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL, BUT YOU ARE KIND OF WANTING TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU WANNA TAKE THE FRONT FRONT COLUMNS AND PUT THEM IN THE BACK AS WELL. YEAH, YEAH. THE HOMEOWNER'S VERY INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CARRYING SOME OF THESE DETAILS THROUGH AND AROUND THE HOUSE. OKAY. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO, WE CAN DISCUSS IT, BUT YEAH. COMMISSIONER SSO, NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ZUKA. NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE SHERIFF FETZER? YES. UM, I GUESS YOU ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE COLUMNS FROM THE FRONT, POSSIBLY USING 'EM IN THE BACK. YEAH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO START THAT DISCUSSION OR IF WE SHOULD. WELL, UM, I THINK KEEN ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THE, UH, THAT GABLE ON THE BACK, UH, THE SUNBURST PATTERN, AND YOU EXPLAINED WHERE THE, THE DETAIL CAME FROM, BUT I THINK THERE'S, THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UH, ONE THAT THE REAR PORCH SHOULD BE TOO ORNATE COMPARED TO THE MORE SUBTLE LITTLE SUNBURSTS THAT ARE ON THE, THE MAIN HOUSE. UH, AND SO AS YOU DEVELOP THIS, I JUST, UH, YES YOU CAN, UH, KEY YOUR DETAILING FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT DON'T TRY TO MIMIC OR, UM, OVERSTATE SOME OF THE DE DETAILS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH, NO, OF COURSE IT DOES. IT'S ALWAYS THE, THE STRUGGLE WITH THESE PROJECTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE, UM, THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE AN ADDITION THAT THAT COMPLIMENTS THE HISTORIC WITHOUT MIMICKING IT. YES. SO THAT IN THE FUTURE SOMEONE WILL KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ADDITION THAT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE DETAILING ON THE, THE SECOND CHIMNEY. UM, SO MR. CHAIR, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. I'D LIKE TO SURE, GO AHEAD SIR. UH, NATE, ON THE, LOOKING AT THE ROOF PLAN, IT SEEMS THAT THE SITUATION IS ONLY THAT ONE SPOT BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS, NOT THE PORCH ON THIS END OR THE PORCH IN THE REAR, BUT THAT, THAT SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE SEEN FROM THE FRONT. SO JUST AS IT COMES BACK TO US, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF STEPH CAN PUT A RIGHT IDEA. THAT ONE. YEAH. THAT, THAT I THINK THAT THAT THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IT, IT, IT DOES PRESENT ITSELF AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT TO, UH, TAKE THE DESIGN INTO THE WALL ITSELF AS IT, AS IT JUNCTIONS WITH THAT ROOF, WHATEVER THAT IS. BUT I'M SURE THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES IN THAT COMMUNITY WHERE THAT'S DONE INTENTIONALLY FOR DIFFERENT [01:20:01] CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THEY MAY BE THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES YOU'RE GONNA HIT WHEN YOU DETAIL YOUR TWO PORCHES. SO IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY JUST, JUST TO, JUST TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT ROOF, UH, DESIGN IS KIND OF A ROOF WALL JUNCTION, UH, DETAIL. YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, OUR INCLINATION IS NOT TO DO ANY KIND OF PARAPET. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT PULLING AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT LOOKS FLAT, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE CONSIDERING A DIFFERENT ROOF MATERIAL. YOU KNOW, I JUST, FIRST OF ALL, PARAPETS COULD BE FUTURE LEAK ISSUES, , IF NOT DONE PROPERLY. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ARE GONNA PUSH AWAY FROM THAT PART OF THE DESIGN. UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. FINAL OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMENTS. ALRIGHT. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM. AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. GALLOWAY? AYE. BAZOOKA AYE GROUP? AYE. TRAVIESO. AYE. HOLLAND? AYE BETS? AYE. AND GIBBS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA. UM, TIME IS NOW 4 23 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.