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          GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER. 
          I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICED MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. 
          [Roll Call ]
I'D LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. 
          KEN HUI, DISTRICT SIX , DISTRICT FOUR, SUMMER GREATHOUSE, DISTRICT ONE, ISHA GIBBONS, DISTRICT NINE, JOHN BUSTAMONTE, DISTRICT FIVE. 
          ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN, FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT GA MCDANIEL MAYOR. 
          STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. 
          QUORUM IS PRESENT. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, THANK YOU. 
          WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR MEETING, UH, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE? ALRIGHT, SO BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. 
          THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. 
          STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. 
          PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. 
          PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. 
          FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION IN ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST. 
          FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. 
          YOU WILL BE CALLED AN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. 
          YOU WILL HEAR THIS WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU'LL HEAR ANOTHER BEEP AND WE WILL INFORM YOU THAT YOUR TWO MINUTES ARE UP. 
          FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES. 
          THOSE GIVING, GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          I MOVE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          . 
          . 
          YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          I GOT MULTI-TRACK MIND HERE. 
          OKAY, . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, SO WE, TODAY WE ARE, UM, DUE TO THE CROWD SIZE, WE ARE TWO MINUTES. 
          UM, WOULD WE PLEASE, UM, START WITH THE COMBINED HEARING? UH, NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. 
          YOU DO THAT. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE ALSO, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE, UM, UH, TALK ABOUT, UM, CASE NUMBER ONE THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED? YES, MA'AM. 
          I'M HAPPY TO DO SO AND TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT A FEW CHANGES. 
          [1. 20-1372 (POSTPONED) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700288 HL (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "RM-4 AHOD" Residential Mixed Airport Hazard Overlay District to "RM-4 HL AHOD" Residential Mixed Historic Landmark Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 4 and Lot 5, Block 30, NCB 3036, located at 214 Lotus Avenue. Staff recommends Approval. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
ITEM NUMBER ONE IS POSTPONED. 
          THIS IS A CASE LOCATED OFF OF TWO 14 LOTUS AVENUE. 
          IT IS POSTPONED. 
          THAT MEANS IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY WHEN IT IS HEARD, IT WILL BE RE NOTIFIED FOR A NEW DATE. 
          ALSO, WE HAD SOME ITEMS PULLED IN ADDITION TO THE ONES WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT IN WORK SESSION. 
          WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 11. 
          ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13 WERE ADDED. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA NOTE WHICH ITEMS ARE ON INDIVIDUAL FOR TODAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE, ITEM NUMBER NINE, ITEM NUMBER 11, 12, 13, 15, 2, 4, 5, 8, 10, 23 AND 24. 
          SO THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE 
          [Items 6, 7, 14, 16 - 19, 21, 22, & 25 ]
LOOKING AT FOR COMBINED HEARING ONE INCLUDE ITEM NUMBER SIX, 
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ITEM NUMBER 7, 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, AND 21, 22, AND 25. 
          I WILL NOW READ THE COMBINED HEARING ITEMS THAT ARE ON CONSENT. 
          AGENDA ONE, ITEM NUMBER SIX, TO REZONE FROM N P 10 TO L WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 9,600 BLOCK OF IH 35 SOUTH. 
          THERE WERE NINE NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, TO REZONE FROM MF 33 A H H A H O D TO IDZ, TWO H A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO AND FOR A PARTY HOUSE RECEPTION, HOME MEETING FACILITY LOCATED AT 7 0 7 DAWSON STREET. 
          THERE WERE 33 NOTICES MAILED TO RECEIVED IN FAVOR TO AN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 14, THERE TO REZONE FROM MF 33 A H O D TO R ONE A H O D LOCATED AT 8 0 2 ARBOR PLACE. 
          THERE WERE 25 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM WEST HOPE WEST END HOPE IN ACTION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 2 0 2 NORTH GENERAL MCMULLEN. 
          THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM PROSPECT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THIS ITEM HAS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, NO TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, BANNERS, PENANCE FLAGS OR WIND WAIVERS AND NO OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. 
          NUMBER 17, TO REZONE FROM R FIVE TO R FIVE CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS, ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 1 29 THE LOTES AVENUE. 
          THERE WERE 32 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO KNOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 18, TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO MF 33 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED IN THE 4,000 BLOCK OF INTERSTATE 10 EAST, THERE WERE SEVEN NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 19, TO REZONE FROM N P 10 TO C TWO WITH, UM, EXCUSE ME, TO REZONE FROM N P 10 AND C TWO TO M H C WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          LOCATED AT 79 75 INTERSTATE 10 EAST, THERE WERE 18 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 21 TO REONE FROM I ONE S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A UNIVERSITY I ONE SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE FOR AN FOR A UNIVERSITY R SIX AND R SIX I H ONE A H O D TO C TWO. 
          ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. 
          AND ALSO C TWO A H O D LOCATED AT 61 53 RANDOLPH BOULEVARD. 
          THERE WERE 16 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, NO RESPONSE FROM THE ROYAL RIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 22 TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO C TWO, LOCATED AT 27 90 WEST LOOP. 
          1604 NORTH, THERE WERE SIX NOTICES MAILED. 
          NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE OAK COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          ITEM NUMBER 22, EXCUSE ME, 25 TO REZO FROM C TWO RIO. 
          ONE UC. 
          TWO N C D NINE A H O D AND C TWO RIO. 
          ONE N C D NINE A H O D TO C TWO I DZ ONE. 
          UC TWO AND C D NINE A H O D AND C TWO I D Z RIO ONE C D NINE 
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A H O D LOCATED AT FIVE 19 EAST JOSEPHINE STREET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS STATED ON THE RECORD, WHERE APPROPRIATE IS, IS, I'M SORRY, OF ITEMS. 6, 7 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, AND 25. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIELS? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, NOW WE HAVE, UM, AN ITEM WE HAD TO PULL FOR, UH, COMBINED HEARING ON ITS OWN BECAUSE, UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS GOING TO, UH, RECUSE 
          [3. 20-1394 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700332 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from “FBZD” Form Based Zoning District to “FBZD” Form Based Zoning District to update the Transportation Design Plan of the River North Master Development Pattern Plan (All Transect Zoning Districts, Overlay Districts and Uses remain unchanged) on approximately 311 acres generally bounded by IH-35 to the North and West, IH-37 and Bonham to the East, and Lexington Avenue/4th Street to the South. Staff recommends Approval. (Marco Hinojosa, Senior Planner, (210) 207-4087, marco.hinojosa@sanantonio.gov, Transportation & Capital Improvements Department)]
HERSELF. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          YES, MICHAEL, IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, TAKE OFF THE REQUESTED CONTINUANCES PART RIGHT NEXT TO THE NUMBER TWO. 
          GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THIS ITEM NUMBER THREE IS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION OR A SECOND COMBINED HEARING DUE TO A RECUSAL. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FROM F B Z D TO F B Z D TO UPDATE THE TRANSPORTATION DESIGN PLAN OF THE RIVER NORTH MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          ALL OF THE TRANSECT ZONING DISTRICTS OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND THE USES REMAIN. 
          THIS, REMAIN UNCHANGED. 
          THIS IS ON APPROXIMATELY 311 ACRES, GENERALLY BOUND BY IH 35 TO THE NORTH AND WEST IH 37, AND BOTTOM TO THE EAST AND LEXINGTON AVENUE. 
          FOURTH STREET TO THE SOUTH. 
          THERE WERE 538 NOTICES MAILED TO RECEIVED IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MADAME CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY WE, UH, PLEASE BRING COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE BACK IN, PLEASE? YES. 
          HERE SHE COMES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NOW WE HAVE A COMBINED HEARING FOR THE CONTINUANCE. 
          WE JUST HAVE ONE ITEM THERE. 
          NUMBER 20. 
          [20. 19-9378 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700319 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "I-1 AHOD" General Industrial Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-3 AHOD" High Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted in "C-3" General Commercial and multi-family up to 300 units on Lot 4, Lot 5, and Lot 29, Block 1, NCB 3028, located at 218 West Josephine Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
YES. 
          ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM I ONE A H O D TO I D Z THREE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN C THREE AND MULTIFAMILY UP TO 300 UNITS LOCATED AT TWO 18 WEST JOSEPHINE STREET. 
          THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED. 
          ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY THE FOURTH. 
          THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE A CONTINUANCE TO THE FEBRUARY 4TH MEETING, OR ITEM NUMBER 25. 
          20 ITEM 22ND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF A CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 4TH AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSER MONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE ON WITH THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. PLEASE. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE DOING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT FIRST BEFORE ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          [8. 20-1415 (Continued from 12/17/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700300 (Council District 6): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 2, Block 10, NCB 15569, located at 7015 Remuda Drive. Staff recommends Denial, with an Alternate Recommendation. (Mirko Maravi, Senior Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
GOOD AFTERNOON, MARCO 
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RAVI, SENIOR PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS ON 7 0 15 REMUDA GOING FROM R SIX RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO C 2 21. 
          NOTICES MAILED OUT 0 4 0 OPPOSE NO RESPONSE FROM THE CABLE WEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR LACKLAND TERRANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE CURRENT R SIX IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED C TWO DISTRICT ENCROACHES INTO THE RESIDENCE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          HOWEVER, THE OFFICE PARK ACROSS THE STREET IS SLIGHTLY MORE ENCROACHING. 
          THE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION OF C ONE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WILL REDUCE THE COMMERCIAL INTENSITY WHILE ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE REQUEST, ALTERNATE PROPOSAL TO C ONE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE AND THE APPLICANT, UH, FROM WHAT SHE TOLD ME IS GONNA AMEND TO C ONE? MY NAME IS LEE, L E E R. 
          ERE, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR CASE AND THE, AND THAT YOU'D LIKE TO AMEND IT? WELL, WE WAS ORIGINALLY C TWO, BUT, UH, I GUESS THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING IS C ONE IS PROPER BECAUSE THE NEXT NEIGHBOR IS THE HOUSE. 
          SO WE ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE, UH, SIGNED UP TO, UH, SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER, WE, UM, YOU CAN MADAM CHAIR, UH, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE, HER APPLICATION AS AMENDED TO SEE ONE AT THIS TIME. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR FOR THE, UM, UH, FOR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED, UH, MOTION. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          I MARK AVI, SENIOR DEV, SENIOR PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          [2. 20-1092 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700269 S ERZD (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from “C-2 NA UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD” Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales IH-10/FM 1604 Urban Corridor Overlay Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District to “C-2 S UC-1 MLOD-1 MLR-2 ERZD” Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales IH-10/FM 1604 Urban Corridor Overlay Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Edwards Recharge Zone District with Specific Use Authorization for an Animal Clinic on 0.1330 acres out of Lot 23, Block 4, NCB 14759, located at 7427 West Loop 1604. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600073) (Mirko Maravi, Senior Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ON 74 27 WEST LOOP 1604. 
          GOING FROM C TWO COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO C TWO SS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE FOR ANIMAL CLINIC 12 NOTICES, UH, MAILED OUT TWO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. 
          AND THE HILLS AND DALES, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT PROVIDED SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IS ADDED. 
          NO OVERNIGHT BOARDING OF HEALTHY ANIMALS OF HEALTHY ANIMALS. 
          STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORHOOD LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, SAS, IT'S A E R Z D CASE. 
          MIKE ANTE WITH SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION. 
          UH, SAUCE HAS REVIEWED ZONING CASE Z 2 0 1 9 DASH 0 7 0 2 69 FOR A SMALL ANIMAL EVENT CLINIC ON 5709 9 SQUARE FOOT. 
          UH, BUILDING PAD LOCATED AT 74 27 NORTH LOOP 1604 WEST. 
          THE VETERINARY HOSPITAL SITS ON 0.797 ACRE COMMERCIAL LOT AND WILL ALLOW FOR 74% IMPERVIOUS COVER. 
          UH, SAWS WILL ALLOW THE TEMPORARY OVERNIGHT STAY OF INTENSIVE CARE PETS, UH, DUE TO SURGERY. 
          UH, SOS RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. 
          UM, AS STAFF HAS SUGGESTED, WE'RE ASKING FOR REZONING OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE TO ALLOW FOR A VETERINARY CLINIC. 
          UH, THE DOCTOR'S CURRENT OFFICE IS JUST A FEW BLOCKS AWAY AND WE, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE HILLS AND DALES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THEY'RE IN SUPPORT. 
          THE DISCREPANCY IN THE SAWS REPORT IS PROBABLY BECAUSE 
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WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE PROPERTY WITH THE FUTURE OWNER BECOMING A KENNEL. 
          THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF THE DOCTORS. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A LANGUAGE THAT WOULD JUST SAY, ANIMALS ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO STAY OVERNIGHT IF THEY'RE UNDER SOME SORT OF CARE. 
          THEIR STITCHES DON'T GET TORN OUT. 
          THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS WHAT CAUSED THE CONFUSION. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE. 
          I WOULD JUST ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. 
          MR. JIM HARISH. 
          I'M JIM HARISH, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE HILLS AND DALES ASSOCIATION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND UH, IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE MAP, THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES, UH, IMMEDIATE BEHIND, AND THERE ARE THREE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN THAT RED CIRCLE. 
          I TALKED TO MEMBERS OF EACH OF THOSE FIVE FAMILIES. 
          UM, TWO OF THEM, THE IMMEDIATELY BEHIND ARE, ARE, ARE IN SUPPORT. 
          UH, THE THIRD ONE, UH, HE WANTS A FENCE, BUT, UH, THERE'S, HE'S NOT IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THERE. 
          UH, THE TWO OUTLYING ONES, UH, IS, UH, THE MOST SOUTHERN, MOST OR WESTERN MOST IS SHE'S NOT FOR IT. 
          HOWEVER, THE NORTHERN MOST, UH, SHE'S GLAD THAT SHE HAS A PET AND SHE'S GLAD THAT THERE'S A, UH, VET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, UH, AS STATED, THE, UH, THE ASSOCIATION DOES SUPPORT THIS, UM, UH, CHANGE. 
          AND, UH, UH, ONE OTHER POINT, UH, THERE, IT PREVENTS ONE DEVELOPER FROM GETTING THE, UH, ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THE, UH, UH, THE ONE MOST TO THE NORTHEAST, THEN THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION AND THE ONE TO THE SOUTHWEST. 
          IF ALL THREE WERE ACQUIRED BY A SINGLE DEVELOPER, THERE COULD BE ANOTHER TWO STORY, UM, UH, BUILDING IN THERE. 
          AND THIS IS A ONE STORY PROPOSED. 
          SO WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THIS, THIS, UH, BUSINESS COME IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, DR. 
          ROMERO, I MEAN, COMMISSIONER ROMERO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN KIND OF TANGLED UP IN THE CONDITIONS HERE. 
          UM, SO THE SAWS LETTER DOES HAVE A CONDITION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE CHANGING, THAT SAYS NO OVERNIGHT STAYS OF PET ANIMALS WILL BE ALLOWED ON SITE. 
          UM, THAT THAT IS IN CONFLICT, I BELIEVE, WITH THE CITY'S OWN DEFINITION OF WHAT ANIMAL CLINIC ALLOWS. 
          AND SINCE SAS IS CHANGING THAT ANYWAY, UM, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THAT RECOMMENDATION, UH, BE TAKEN AWAY. 
          BUT THEN, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF THE ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE, ONLY HEALTHY ANIMALS CAN BE KEPT OVERNIGHT, WE'RE NOT GONNA ADD THAT AS A CONDITION. 
          I'M JUST GONNA PUT THIS THROUGH AS A CLEAN CLINIC. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY ALL IT EVER ENVISIONED IS THAT ANIMALS THAT NEEDED TO BE WATCHED COULD STAY OVERNIGHT AND IT WON'T BE A KENNEL IF THEY START RUNNING IT AS A KENNEL, I THINK THEY'D BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR ZONING. 
          UM, AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT MR. HARNER SAID, 'CAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, THAT THIS PRECLUDES ANOTHER TWO STORY BUILDING OR A MINI STORAGE, UH, RIGHT IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO. 
          OKAY, THEN, UM, I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CASE NUMBER TWO WITH ALL SAWS RECOMMENDATIONS, EXCEPT FOR NUMBER TWO. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR APPROVAL, UM, AS, UM, AS DR. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO STATED WITH A SECOND. 
          UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER K SMITH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          COMMISSIONER S SIPES? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
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MARK AVI, UH, SENIOR PLANNER DEVELOPMENT 
          [4. 20-1371 (Continued from 12/03/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700225 (Council District 7): A request for a change in zoning from "R-5 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "RM-5 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Mixed Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 19, Block 4, NCB 13450, located at 5403 San Benito Drive. Staff recommends Denial. (Mirko Maravi, Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
SERVICES. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ON 54 0 3 SAN BENITO DRIVE FROM R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY TO R AND FIVE RESIDENTIAL MIXED 40. 
          NOTICES MAILED OUT ZERO IN FAVOR. 
          TWO. 
          OPPOSED, UH, NO RESPONSE FROM THE L PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE CURRENT R FIVE IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE OPPOSED RRN FIVE IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR GENERAL URBAN TIER. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITH MORE THAN ONE RESIDENT IN THIS AREA. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSED ON ANY CHANGE. 
          WOULD, WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. 
          STAFF RECOMMEND IT NOW AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? APPLICANTS MEMBERS? MY NAME IS ALEXANDRA SMITH DOCKER. 
          UM, I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF 54 0 3 SAN BENITO. 
          UM, I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY BACK IN JUNE AND I HAVEN'T MADE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO HOW THE, TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, HOW WE'RE PROPOSING OR THE CHANGES WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, JUST BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE OF HOW THE STRUCTURE IS FORMATTED CURRENTLY. 
          UM, THE PEOPLE WE PURCHASED THE HOME FROM HAD BEEN RENTING THE PROPERTY AS, UM, A THREE UNIT DWELLING. 
          UM, AND WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH HOW THE ZONING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, ZONING FOR HOW IT'S FORMATTED. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH COLLE PARK. 
          UM, THE LAST VOTE, THEY DID VOTE IN FAVOR FOR IT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, UH, WE DID TAKE A LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE LOOKED THROUGH THE REALTORS, M L SS LISTINGS AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND THEY'RE 18 RENTALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          JUST RENTED WITH, UM, REALTORS AND THE M L SS PROPERTIES AND EVERYTHING. 
          UM, THAT DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FACTORS LIKE CRAIGSLIST OR OTHER AVENUES TO RENT A PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO IT'S NOT COMPLETELY UNFORESEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF? WE MIGHT. 
          SO YOU MIGHT STAY NEARBY. 
          SURE, OF COURSE. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYONE, UH, SIGNED UP? YOU CAN MAYBE SIT RIGHT IN THE FRONT ROW JUST IN CASE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? NO MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT THIS CASE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY. 
          SO IT'S BEEN IN THIS, UH, CONFIGURATION, WELL GOOGLE, WHICH KNOWS EVERYTHING GOES BACK TO 2011. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF IT GOES BACK EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT, THAT IT WAS CONFIGURED TO THE, THE STATE IT'S IN RIGHT NOW? I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNER MADE ALL THE CHANGES. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHANGES TO HOW THE BUILDING ALREADY STANDS. 
          UM, WE'VE JUST BEEN DOING KIND OF SOME INTERIOR, UM, EMBELLISHMENTS AND EVERYTHING JUST TO BRING DRAWN THE BEST RENTERS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, WE ACTUALLY RENTED THE MAIN UNIT TO, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY TO, NOT SURE WHICH DIRECTION, BUT A FAMILY MEMBER OF THEIRS. 
          AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO VET TENANTS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A GOOD STANDING WITH ALL THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYTHING. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR, HOW FAR, UM, BACK WE HAD TO LOOK TO SEE WHEN THEY MADE THE CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN WHY IS MY MIC SO LOUD? ? UM, SO WHAT PROMPTED THEN YOU CAME ON YOUR OWN VOLITION TO, TO REZONE IT OR WAS THERE NO, WE CAME ON OUR OWN BECAUSE WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT ZONED PROPERLY FOR, UM, HOW OUR INTENDED OR HOW THE PROPERTY'S KIND OF BEEN USED AND EVERYTHING. 
          DID YOU PURCHASE IT IN JUNE? ANY OTHER QUESTION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER 
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SIPES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THIS, THIS, THIS CASE WAS, UM, WE CONTINUED THIS ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, I BELIEVE, UM, SO THAT THE APPLICANT COULD MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE PREREQUISITES THAT, THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN IS, IS THE OUTREACH PORTION. 
          AND, UH, THEY DID THAT AND I WAS, UH, UM, ORIGINALLY NOT REAL SURE ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THEY, THEY TOOK A VOTE. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, I AM, UM, MAKING A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY, UH, GIBBONS UM, ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE ALREADY HAVING BEEN IN EXISTENCE AND NOW THAT THE ASSOCIATION IS IN, IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM. 
          BUT I DO TAKE, UM, I DO TAKE NOTICE WITH STAFF ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL BECAUSE THE U D C CODE UNDER URBAN DESIGN POLICY ONE C ENCOURAGES PATTERNS OF URBAN DEVELOPMENT THAT PROVIDE A FULL RANGE OF HOUSING CHOICES AND PROMOTE A SENSE OF COMMUNITY URBAN VITALITY AND THE EFFICIENT PRO PROVISION OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO I THINK IT MEETS A REALLY NEAT, UM, CATEGORY OF THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING IN THE AREA WHERE, UM, EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE GETTING ALONG TOO. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS, UH, THE SMART CHOICE. 
          SO GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU THAT APPROVAL. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSA MONTE AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS MICHAEL PEPPY PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 
          [5. 19-9077 (Continued from 12/03/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700270 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 CD MLOD-3 MLR-2" Residential Single-Family Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District with a Conditional Use for Multi-Family Dwellings not to exceed ten units per acre or a total of two (2) units to "C-2 MLOD-3 MLR-2" Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 District on 2.1 acres out of NCB 1178 and NCB 1181, generally located at the intersection of Walters Street and IH 35 N. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600074) (Michael Pepe, Planner, 210-207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
FIVE, GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF WALTERS STREET I 35. 
          NORTH IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FOUR AND R FOUR CD TO C 2 44. 
          NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          THREE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, 14 IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE GOVERNMENT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          THERE WERE FOUR LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET AND THREE IN OPPOSITION FROM OUTSIDE 200 FEET. 
          THERE WERE SEVEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE CURRENT TENANTS OF THE PROPERTY. 
          STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, THOUGH NEARBY TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          THE SITE IS A SELF-CONTAINED BLOCK ADJACENT TO I 35 AND WALTERS THAT ALLOW COMMERCIAL ACCESS THAT IS SEPARATED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOVERNMENT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES RECRUITMENT OF BUSINESSES AND THE EXPANSION OF BUSINESSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          ASHLEY FAIRMAN, KAUFMAN AND KILLEN 100 WEST HOUSTON STREET. 
          I'M JUST GONNA MAKE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION AND THEN TRUE IT PRETTY WITH, UM, QUICKTRIP IS GONNA COME AND, AND PRESENT ON THE CASE. 
          UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE SITE HERE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WALTERS AND 35. 
          UM, QUICKTRIP HAS THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT. 
          IT'S ABOUT TWO ACRES. 
          UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE AND APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS LOCATION AT THE CORNER OF A HIGHWAY AND A MAJOR ARTERIAL. 
          IF YOU DO, YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATION. 
          IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP OF THIS INTERSECTION, THIS IS THE ONLY CORNER THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          SORRY. 
          UM, THE OTHER CORNERS OF THIS INTERSECTION ARE ALSO ZONED C TWO COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR INDUSTRIAL I ONE I TWO. 
          AND THEN THERE IS SOME MULTIFAMILY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. 
          UM, SINCE THE LAST MEETING, ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AT THE BEGINNING OF 
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DECEMBER, WE HAVE A, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO TALK TO THE TENANTS WHO CURRENTLY LIVE ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AS WELL AS WALK DOOR TO DOOR, UM, AND WORK ON SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR SITE PLAN AS WELL. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, TRUE, IT'S GONNA COME UP AND MAKE A MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION, BUT BOTH OF US WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THE CONCLUSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS TRUITT PRETTY. 
          I'M WITH QUICKTRIP CORPORATION. 
          I'M A REAL ESTATE MANAGER, AND OUR ADDRESS IS 7 42 NORTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10. 
          UM, SO FIRST I WILL START OUT AND LET ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO FORWARD AND BACKWARDS AND THE POWERPOINT. 
          THAT'S EASY ENOUGH. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL FIRST I WANTED TO START OUT, UH, WITH A FEW FACTS ABOUT QUICKTRIP AND WHO WE ARE. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL NEW HERE. 
          WE ONLY HAVE 12 STORES OPENING SAN ANTONIO AREA. 
          UM, SO I DID JUST WANNA START OUT WITH JUST A BRIEF FEW FACTS, JUST A LITTLE ABOUT US. 
          UH, QUIKTRIP, WE'VE BEEN 15 YEARS ON FORTUNE'S LIST OF 100 BEST COMPANIES TO WORK FOR. 
          WE'RE PERENNIALLY LISTED ON FORBES TOP 100 PRIVATELY HELD COMPANIES. 
          WE CREATED AN AVERAGE OF 20 JOBS PER STORE. 
          UH, OUR STORE MANAGERS STARTING AND AVERAGE PAYS ARE LISTED UP THERE. 
          AND, AND WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE CONTRIBUTE 5% OF OUR LOCAL PROFITS BACK INTO THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES. 
          THAT MEANS THE SAN ANTONIO STORES, THE MONEY'S GONNA COME BACK TO SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO A NATIONAL SAFE PLACE LOCATION FOR ENDANGERED YOUTH. 
          UM, A LONG TIME AGO, UH, WE, WE'D GET ENDANGERED YOUTH THAT WOULD COME IN, EITHER NEED FOOD, DRINKS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          SO WE PARTNERED WITH SAFE PLACE, UH, TO WHERE NOW I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, IT WAS OVER 600 CASES WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF 600 YOUTH. 
          UM, AND WE LIVE, WE WORK AND WE PLAY IN THE COMMUNITY, MEANING I LIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          OUR EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA LIVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THIS IS WHERE WE LIVE. 
          SO WE ARE NOT GONNA CAUSE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE NEIGHBORS. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR 'CAUSE WE ARE. 
          AND I WOULD IMPLORE ANYONE TO CALL ANY HOME LOCATED NEAR AN EXISTING QUIKTRIP AND ASK 'EM HOW WE ARE AS A NEIGHBOR. 
          'CAUSE I, I, THEY WILL ONLY HAVE POSITIVE THINGS TO SAY. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON ALL THE MEETINGS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH UP TO THIS POINT. 
          AND I'LL ALSO EMPHASIZE ALL THE MEETINGS THAT WERE BETWEEN THE LAST HEARING, UH, WHEN WE CONTINUED TO TODAY. 
          UM, SO UP THERE, IT'S JUST KIND OF THE BULLET POINTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE MET WITH GOVERNMENT ALLIANCE MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          UH, TWO OF THOSE MEETINGS WERE WITH ALL THE MEMBERS. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO MET WITH ITS GOVERNMENT, HILL UNITED, WHICH IS, UH, THE UNREGISTERED, UH, UH, BOARD OUT THERE. 
          AND ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WAS WITH ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          SO THAT WAS UP TO THE LAST HEARING. 
          SINCE THE LAST HEARING, WE HAVE HAD, UH, TWO OPEN HOUSE FORUM MEETINGS. 
          UM, I THINK 'CAUSE LAST TIME I DID SEE A LOT OF FACES I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE. 
          AND, UH, AT THOSE, I, I DID MEET A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          UM, I THINK THEY WERE PROACTIVE. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE WALKED DOOR TO DOOR. 
          I HAVE PERSONALLY, UH, TWO WEEKENDS IN A ROW, UM, TO TALK AND KIND OF EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT THE QUICKTRIP DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSING. 
          AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THE SELLER AND I HAVE COLLECTIVELY WORKED TOGETHER WITH ALL OF THE TENANTS, UH, TO WHERE THEY ALL HAVE A TAILORED RELOCATION PACKAGE, WHICH, UH, CONSISTS OF MONETARILY AND, UH, REAL ESTATE AGENT NEEDS AND, AND BEYOND AS WELL. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, OVER 300 EMAILS. 
          PHONE CALL IS SO AS, AS FAR AS EFFORTS IS EDUCATING AND GETTING THE WORD OUT THERE, I, I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO DO ALL WE CAN. 
          UM, SO I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LOCATION. 
          I'VE BEEN ASKED, YOU KNOW, KNOW, WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THIS LOCATION? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA BRING TO THE LOCATION? UM, FOR US, YOU KNOW, ASHLEY ALREADY TOUCHED ON, IT'S THE ONLY CORNER IN ALL OF SAN ANTONIO, ALONG ALL OF 35. 
          THAT'S, UH, STILL HAS RESIDENTIAL USE ON THE HARD CORNER OF A PRIMARY ARTERIAL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS LOCATION IS JUST OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, CAPTURING THE EXISTING TRAFFIC COMING TO AND FROM WORK. 
          IT'S THE ENTRYWAY TO FORT SAM. 
          UH, IT'S UNDERSERVED, LACKS SAFE, WELL-LIT LOCATIONS WITH CLEAN BATHROOMS, COMPETITIVE GAS PRICES, AND DIVERSE FOOD OFFERS. 
          UH, THAT'S SOMETHING BIG THAT I SEE IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, AND ALSO IT'S OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. 
          AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DONATE 5% OF OUR LOCAL PROFITS BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE IN. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE SAFE PLACE WE BRING TO THE AREA. 
          AND THEN FOLDS OF HONOR AS WELL, WHICH WE'VE DONATED OVER 10 MILLION TO, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, 20,000 SCHOLARSHIPS TO OUR COMMUNITIES FOR, UM, ALL THE FAMILIES WHO HAVE FALLEN SOLDIERS, WHETHER IT'S THEIR MOM OR FATHER. 
          SO, AND THEN EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT MEANS THE MOST TO ME AS FAR AS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOCATION LIKE THIS FOR ME, IN THE AREA I GREW UP IN, UH, QUIKTRIP WAS FAIRLY NEW AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE. 
          I SAW A COMING SOON SIGN. 
          AND SO I APPLIED. 
          I WAS 17, DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. 
          FIGURED I'D BE WORKING IN A GAS STATION. 
          AND SO I WORKED FOR HIM, UH, THROUGH SCHOOL IN COLLEGE. 
          AND LITTLE DID I EXPECT TO BE PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITIES I'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE MY FAMILY BY WORKING HERE. 
          AND FOR 
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EACH LOCATION THAT WE BUILD, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER KID JUST LIKE ME THAT COMES TO WORK AT THIS STORE AND HAS PROVIDED THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO WE ARE A PROMOTION FROM WITHIN COMPANY. 
          WE ARE A PRIVATE COMPANY, WE ARE A FAMILY COMPANY. 
          THE NEXT, THROUGHOUT ALL THE MEETINGS, I'D KIND OF LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE SITE PLAN ENHANCEMENTS, WE'LL CALL 'EM, UM, TO WHERE WE'VE, WE'VE MET WITH RESIDENTS, WE'VE TALKED OVER CONCERNS WITH THE SITE PLAN. 
          WHAT CAN WE DO TO ACCOMMODATE 'EM? UM, SO THESE ARE THE BULLET POINTS. 
          I'M GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN THOUGH TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE SITE PLAN AND I'LL GO OVER EACH BULLET POINTS. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST ONE WAS WE AGREED TO CONSTRUCT A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          UH, SO LET ME POINT OUT THIS PLAN. 
          THE NORTH IS GONNA BE TO THE RIGHT, UM, 'CAUSE IT IS TILTED SIDEWAYS. 
          SO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RENO, I GUESS THERE USED TO BE AN EXISTING, UM, SIDEWALK LONG AGO, BUT IT IS PRETTY MUCH GONE. 
          UM, NEXT ONE WAS THE EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL THAT WAS IN PLACE LAST TIME WE CAME TO THE HEARING. 
          UM, SO WITH THIS MASONRY WALL, WHAT IT IS, IT'S A SOUND WALL. 
          AND THEN THE OUTSIDE OF IT'S, WHICH I'LL GO TO SCREEN REAL QUICK. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE OUTSIDE OF IT'S, SO THE OUTSIDE OF IT IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE MASONRY VENEER PANELS. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS POTENTIALLY GRAFFITI IN THE AREA. 
          AND SO BY US DOING MASONRY VENEER PANELS, IT UM, ELIMINATES THE TIMEFRAME FOR SCRUBBING ANY GRAFFITI BECAUSE ALL THEY DO IS THEY TAKE A NEW PANEL AND THEY SLIDE IT RIGHT IN. 
          UM, AND SO I'M GONNA TOUCH ON REAL QUICK ABOUT OUR MAINTENANCE. 
          UM, EVERYTHING ABOUT QUICKTRIP HAS QUICKTRIP HANDS IN IT. 
          WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE PEOPLE THAT FIX EVERYTHING AT OUR STORE ARE ALSO QUICKTRIP EMPLOYEES. 
          WE HAVE A FACILITY SUPPORT DEPARTMENT WHO IS PART OF QUICKTRIP AND WE HAVE A, A VERY TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED SYSTEM IN OUR STORE AS TO WHERE THEY'RE HIGHLY TRAINED, TO WHERE THEY PUT ANYTHING THAT BREAKS ANY GRAFFITI, THEY SEE, THEY PUT IT INTO A SYSTEM, IT AUTOMATICALLY GOES OUT TO OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ON FACILITY TO SUPPORT. 
          AND IT GIVES THEM A DEADLINE TO HAVE IT BY. 
          SO FOR SOMETHING LIKE GRAFFITI, THAT'S A 24 HOUR. 
          FOR SOMETHING LIKE, UH, SOMETHING MINOR, IT MIGHT BE TWO DAYS WHERE IF IT'S SOMETHING A CUSTOMER, AN EMPLOYEE WON'T NOTICE, IT'LL BE A TWO DAY TIMEFRAME, MAYBE EVEN MORE. 
          UM, BUT FOR THOSE PRIMARY ITEMS, THEY'RE GONNA GET OUT THERE AND, AND FIX IT. 
          UM, THE RELOCATION OF THE DUMPSTER, UH, INITIALLY WE DID HAVE IT OVER HERE. 
          WE PUT IT IN AN AREA WHERE WE BELIEVE IT'D BE THE LEAST NUISANCE. 
          UM, AND WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO APPLY TO THE CITY FOR NO PARKING SIGNS. 
          THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT ALONG EDGAR AND THIS AREA, THERE WERE CARS PARKING. 
          UH, SO WE'VE AGREED TO, UM, TO APPLY TO THE CITY TO DO THAT. 
          I KNOW THEY WOULD ALLOW ON THIS SIDE FOR US TO DO IT. 
          UM, THE QUESTION AREA WOULD BE THAT SIDE, AND THAT'S THE REASON I SAY APPLY TO THE CITY FOR PERMISSION TO DO SO. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO LIMIT LIGHTING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR SIDE, RIGHT IN HERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA LIMIT IT TO 12 FEET. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE FULL SHIELDS ON OUR LIGHTS, IF ANY, OVER HERE. 
          UM, AND I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT THIS ISN'T TWO MILITARY LIGHTING OVERLAY DISTRICTS, SO IT WILL BE NIGHT SKY, DARK SKY COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO PROVIDE THE SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING. 
          THIS, THIS IS REALLY JUST A RENDERING. 
          SO ONCE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS OF, UH, ALL THE FULL LANDSCAPING PLAN, WE'VE AGREED TO ALMOST DOUBLE THE LANDSCAPING IRAN ALONG THESE BUFFERS. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT ZERO ESCAPING MIGHT BE PREFERRED IN THIS AREA RIGHT THERE. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE AGREED TO DO THAT AS WELL. 
          AND WE MIGHT POTENTIALLY DO OUR ENTIRE SITE, UH, ZERO ESCAPING, JUST SO ALL LOOKS COHESIVE. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO ADDED A SIDEWALK HERE, WHICH ATTACHES TO A SIDEWALK WE'LL PUT ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF RENO. 
          UH, THE PURPOSE FOR THAT IS TO PROVIDE, UH, ALTERNATIVE ROUTES FOR ANYBODY CROSSING THE STREET. 
          IT WAS MENTIONED THAT IN THE MORNING, UM, SOME SCHOOL CHILDREN CROSS HERE AND THEY'RE, TODAY THEY'RE GOING HERE AND THEN GOING UP JIM STREET, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BRIDGE ON JIM STREET, WHICH I'LL GO BACK A SLIDE THERE IS, OH, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH. 
          IT'S FAR OUT, BUT YOU CAN GET THE, YEAH, SO JIM STREET IS RIGHT THERE AND MY HAND IS SHAKING, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S THE EXISTING ROUTE. 
          SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD, WHETHER IT'S THEM TO CROSS HERE, GO UP WALTERS, WHETHER IT'S TO COME UP CARSON BACK HERE, COME UP HERE, OR OBVIOUSLY THE FRONTAGE ROAD WHERE WE'RE ALSO INSTALLING A SIDEWALK. 
          ALL ALONG EDGAR. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO PROVIDE A MONUMENT IN THE CORNER AREA. 
          IT'LL BE A CORNER FEATURE, KIND OF A GOVERNMENT HILL WELCOMING SIGN. 
          AND THEN WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO HIRE THE ORIGINAL ARTIST THAT HAS THE ART MONUMENTS OUT HERE. 
          THERE'S THREE PIECES ON EACH CORNER, UH, THAT ARE SOMEWHAT FADED AND IN NEED OF MAINTENANCE. 
          SO WE'VE AGREED TO HIRE HIM FOR, UH, ANY MAINTENANCE NEEDS. 
          SO THIS IS A PERSPECTIVE OF LOOKING FROM WALTERS AT THE STORE. 
          I GUESS THIS IS KIND OF FACING NORTHBOUND, LOOKING TO THE WEST. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE KIND OF AN AERIAL VIEW RIGHT ABOVE IH 35, LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE SITES. 
          AND THIS WOULD BE AROUND THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, RENO AND EDGAR. 
          AND I GUESS THIS WOULD BE FACING SOUTHEAST. 
          AND WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THIS, THE WALL. 
          WE 
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SHOW SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY ADEQUATE, UH, SCREENING METHOD THAT WE ARE PROVIDING. 
          AND THIS IS A SITE PLAN. 
          IT'S NOT AS FUN TO LOOK AT. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO NEXT I I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE KEY ARGUMENTS I'VE MOST RECENTLY HEARD IS OF A FEW WEEKS AGO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL SAY IN THE VERY BEGINNING IT WAS THE TENANTS IN THE HOMES, THE STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY HISTORICAL? AND NOW IT'S, I'LL JUST SAY THIS, IF I LIVED IN THE AREA AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE JOB, I HAD TO WHERE I HAD THE COMPETENCY AND OUR FUEL SYSTEMS AND EVERYTHING OF THAT NATURE, AND I LIVED THERE, I WOULD BE IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S GOING AROUND. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF MISINFORMATION. 
          AND I, I WANT TO KIND OF BRING IT TO THE FRONT AND, AND DESCRIBE TO YOU WHY IT'S MISINFORMATION. 
          AND UM, WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE OPPOSITION THE PAST TWO WEEKS NOW. 
          THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN GOING AROUND. 
          SO FIRST I'LL TOUCH ON ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          WE, WE SET THE GOLD STANDARD FOR THE INDUSTRY QUICKER, ADJUST. 
          WE TRULY DO. 
          WE SET THE GOLD STANDARD. 
          UH, IN REGARDS TO THE E P A AND T C E Q REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, NOT ONLY DO WE USE THE DOUBLE FIBER WALL TANKS 'CAUSE THAT'S REQUIRED NOWADAYS, BUT WE USE DOUBLE FIREWALL PIPES AND WE USE A WARREN ROGERS SYSTEM, WHICH IS A TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED SYSTEM FOR OUR FUEL SYSTEMS THAT IT LEAD, IT STREAMS LIVE INFORMATION, UM, TO WHERE IT KNOWS EVERY, EVERY DROP THAT COMES OUT, EVERY DROP THAT COMES IN ANY LEAK, AND IT PINPOINTS IT AND IT STREAMS IT LIVE. 
          AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER WHEN I SAID QUICKTRIP HANDS ARE ON EVERYTHING, WELL THAT LIVE INFORMATION GOES DIRECTLY TO OUR IT DEPARTMENT TO WHERE THEY SEND SOMEBODY OUT IMMEDIATELY. 
          UM, NOT ONLY THAT, THE SYSTEM HAS THE ABILITY TO SHUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM DOWN. 
          UM, AS, AS FOR THE HOMES SPEAKING ENVIRONMENTALLY, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE HAD CONTRACTORS GO TAKE A LOOK AT THE HOMES TO SEE, HEY, SHOULD THEY BE RELOCATED? WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO RELOCATE, BUT IT IS PRACTICAL TO DECONSTRUCT AND SALVAGE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO DO. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, JUST AS INFORMATION QUICKTRIP, WE PERFORM A PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL AND GEOTECHNICAL ASSESSMENT ON EVERY SITE. 
          SO ANY EXISTING CONTAMINATION, UH, WE WILL REMEDIATE, UH, WE WILL KNOW THE GROUNDWATER DEPTH. 
          WE WE WILL HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION IN HAND AND ACT ACCORDINGLY TO USE ALL PREVENTABLE MEASURES. 
          UM, WE WILL ALSO, FOR THE HOMES, WE WILL PERFORM ASBESTOS SURVEYS AB AS NECESSARY. 
          UM, THE NEXT, I I TALKED ABOUT THE TENANTS ALREADY, SO I'LL JUST BE BRIEF ON IT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE TENANTS HAVE ALL, UM, BEEN PROVIDED RELOCATION PACKAGES IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO PURSUE THIS PROJECT AND ARE APPROVED. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAVE SIGNED SUPPORT LETTERS. 
          AS HE SAID, THERE'S EIGHT TOTAL TENANTS, UH, SEVEN OF 'EM SIGNED SUPPORT. 
          AND I'LL BE FULLY TRANSPARENT, ONE OF 'EM JUST SIGNED NEUTRAL. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE CONTENT. 
          IF IT HAPPENS, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MONEY TO GO ELSEWHERE AND HAVE ASSISTANCE BY REAL ESTATE AGENT MEANS. 
          UM, BUT IF IT DOESN'T, THEY LIVE THERE A LONG TIME. 
          SO THEY'RE CONTENT. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, EXPLOSIONS THE WORD I'VE SEEN. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, A GAS STATION IS DANGEROUS, IT CAN CAUSE FIRES AND EXPLOSIONS. 
          IN MY HISTORY, IN MY CAREER WITH QUICKTRIP, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF AN EXPLOSION AT A QUICKTRIP LOT. 
          UM, WHAT I'LL EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT AT EACH PUMP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK THAT, THAT IT'S GONNA CATCH ON FIRE, GO TO THE TANKS AND EXPLODE AT EACH PUMP. 
          WHAT IT HAS IS IT HAS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CALL THREE THINGS. 
          PEOPLE CALL IT DIFFERENT. 
          CALL IT CRASH VALVE, IMPACT VALVE OR SHEAR VALVE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. 
          IT'S CONNECTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PUMP SO THAT IF A CAR HITS THE PUMP, IT'S ACTUALLY A VALVE THAT WILL CLOSE ALL THE GAS INTO THE PUMP. 
          SO NONE OF IT SPILLS AND IT CLOSES THE PIPES UNDER THE GROUND. 
          UM, SO IT'S MADE TO TOPPLE OVER SO THAT THERE IS NO FIERY CRASH. 
          AND IN THE EVENT, LET'S SAY A CAR IS PARKED AT A PUMP AND IT DOES CATCH ON FIRE AND CATCHES A PUMP ON FIRE. 
          WELL, IN THAT EVENT, THIS MECHANISM IS DESIGNED TO WHERE IT HAS A LOW MELTING POINT. 
          IT'S MADE TO MELT BEFORE IT CAN GET INTO THE LINES, AND THEN IT CLOSES EACH SIDE. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE REPORTS THAT ARE BEING PASSED AROUND FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, US BEING DANGEROUS AS FAR AS EXPLOSIONS, YOU KNOW, IT STATES THAT TWO PEOPLE PER YEAR DIE, UM, FROM REPORTED FIRES AT GAS STATIONS OF PUTTING THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, UH, JUST QUICKLY NOT NOT BEING CONDESCENDING. 
          YOU'RE 25 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM LIGHTNING AND SIX AND A HALF TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE BY A VENDING MACHINE. 
          UM, THE NEXT ONE IS BENZENE AND LEUKEMIA. 
          VERY SENSITIVE TOPICS RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, SO FIRST I'LL TALK ABOUT BENZENE AND THEN NEXT I'LL MOVE ON TO THAT NEXT SUBJECT. 
          SO, UH, THE STUDY THAT'S BEING CITED IS THAT GAS STATIONS EMIT 10 TIMES MORE BENZENE THAN THE E P A IS AWARE OF OUTSIDE OF GAS STATION PROPERTY LINES. 
          UM, LET ME DESCRIBE REAL QUICK, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THIS BRIEF, NOT BORE EVERYBODY, BUT ABOUT THE VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEMS AT GAS STATIONS. 
          UM, SO FIRST WE HAD THE STAGE ONE VAPOR RECOVERY. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE WHEN, UH, TINKER COMES TO FILL UP A GAS STATION. 
          HE'S GOT A HOSE THAT HE HOOKS UP TO CATCH 
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ALL THE VAPORS THAT ARE BEING DISPLACED BY FILLING THE TANKS. 
          STAGE TWO VAPOR RECOVERY. 
          IT WAS, UH, WHAT WAS USED PRETTY MUCH HISTORICALLY IN THE US UNTIL ABOUT 2010 WHEN THE E P A DID AWAY WITH IT. 
          UM, AND WHAT THAT WAS WAS ESSENTIALLY A VACUUM ASSIST TO WHERE WHENEVER YOU WERE FUELING UP THAT NOZZLE HAD A SUCTION AROUND IT AND IT WAS SUCKING IN ALL THE VAPORS, UM, WHEN YOU WERE FUELING AND IT WAS PUTTING IT, DISPLACING IT BACK INTO THE, UH, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS. 
          SO THAT'S STAGE ONE AND STAGE TWO. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS THE, THE E P A DID AWAY WITH STAGE TWO AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN OUR, ALL OF OUR VEHICLES THAT WERE MADE, UH, IT WAS MANDATED IN 94. 
          AND THEN ALL THE VEHICLES FROM 98 FORWARD HAVE SOMETHING CALLED R V R WHERE IT'S ONBOARD REFUELING VAPOR RECOVERY. 
          AND WHAT THAT IS, IS ALL OF OUR CARS ACTUALLY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SMALL TANK IN 'EM THAT ACTUALLY SUCKS IN THE VAPORS AND KEEPS 'EM IN OUR CARS. 
          AND THEN IT BURNS THOSE, THOSE VAPORS AS FUEL AS YOU DRIVE. 
          UM, SO WHAT THE E P A FOUND OUT IS THAT WITH PHASE TWO, UM, RECOVERY ONCE, ONCE WE GOT TO ABOUT 2010 AND ALL THE CARS WERE ABOUT 50% HAD R V R ON 'EM IS THAT THEY WERE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE STAGE TWO THAT IS TRYING TO SUCK THE VAPORS IN WHEN YOUR CAR'S ALREADY DOING IT. 
          SO WHAT IT WAS DOING IS IT'S SUCKING FRESH AIR IN, IT'D GO TO THE TANK, MAKE THE GAS EVAPORATE, AND THEN IT WOULD CAUSE PRESSURE. 
          AND SO THERE WERE TONS OF EMISSIONS COMING OUT OF THE VENTS. 
          UM, SO I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT FIRST BECAUSE IN THE STUDY THAT'S PROVIDED TO SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE BENZENE LEVELS, IT WAS DONE ON ONLY TWO STATIONS. 
          AND THOSE TWO STATIONS HAD STAGE TWO VAPOR RECOVERY AT A TIME TO WHERE THE E P A WAS JUST ABOUT TO DO AWAY WITH IT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CLIENT OF THE PERSON WHO PERFORMED THE STUDY, UM, IS A COMPANY WHO MANUFACTURES VAPOR RECOVERY SYSTEMS FOR PHASE TWO. 
          UM, ONE OF THE TWO GAS STATIONS THEY STUDIED CLOSED AT NIGHT. 
          THAT'S A BIG DEAL BECAUSE UNDER, UNDER PHASE TWO IT'S A PRESSURIZED SYSTEM. 
          SO IF YOU CLOSE AT NIGHT, THINK OF IT AS A TWO LITER BOTTLE TO WHERE IF YOU OPEN IT RIGHT AWAY, IT'S GONNA FIZZ. 
          IF YOU CLOSE IT, THEN OPEN IT REAL FAST. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA FIZ A SECOND TIME, BUT LEAVE IT OVERNIGHT, IT'S GONNA FIZZ, IT CAUSES PRESSURE. 
          UM, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M SAYING, I WON'T GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL ON THAT. 
          OVERALL QUICKTRIP FUEL FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING AND ANY STUDY THAT'S BEEN, UH, SENT AROUND. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, ARE THE CASE STUDIES ON LEUKEMIA. 
          I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITION IS STATING THERE ARE NO CONTROL MEASURES TO RELIABLY RESOLVE THE HEALTH RISK ASSOCIATED WITH OUR USE. 
          I CAN CONFIDENT TELL YOU IT IS OPPOSITE. 
          UM, THERE ARE AMPLE CONTROL MEASURES, AMPLE CONTROL MEASURES WITH NO RELIABLE DATA TO INSINUATE A HEALTH RISK. 
          UH, THESE STUDIES, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH A FEW OF 'EM REAL QUICK JUST IN CASE THEY BRING 'EM UP TODAY. 
          UM, EXPOSURE OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO GASOLINE MADE IN CANADA, 1993 HOUSEWIVES EXPOSURES TO VOCS, WHICH IS A VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS, UH, RELATIVE TO PROXIMITY OF SERVICE STATIONS. 
          SOUTH KOREA, UM, CHILDHOOD LEUKEMIA WITH PROXIMITY TO GAS STATIONS. 
          THAT'S BEEN THE PRIMARY FOCUS THAT I'VE SEEN PASSED AROUND, UH, FRANCE AND THE UK. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE EUROPEAN UNION HAS MUCH DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS ON AUTOMOBILES AND GAS EMISSIONS THAN WE DO HERE IN THE US AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO GO TO OR VR WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN OUR VEHICLES, UM, HERE SOON BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL ON THE STAGE TWO. 
          AND LEMME TELL YOU THIS, THE STAGE TWO ONLY GETS 70 TO 75% EFFICIENCY OF VAPORS RIGHT NOW HERE IN THE US WE GET 98% EFFICIENCY. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING THAT'S BEING CITED IS, UH, THE E P A SCHOOL SITING GUIDELINES. 
          I'VE SEEN THE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY'VE SAID THAT SCHOOLS DON'T WANNA BE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF, OF GAS STATIONS, AND THAT'S COMPLETELY UNTRUE. 
          WHAT IT STATES IN THE A P SITING GUIDELINES IS THAT, YOU KNOW, BE AWARE OF YOUR SURROUNDINGS AND LOOK FOR POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS. 
          SO IF THERE IS A GAS STATION INVESTIGATE, DO THEY HAVE A RECORDED, UH, WHAT THEY CALL A L U S T, A LEAKING UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK SITUATION? DO THEY HAVE, UH, NON-COMPLIANCE ISSUES WITH AIR EMISSIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANNA LOOK INTO. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING OUT THERE? UM, AND THEN IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I QUICKLY CALCULATED, WE GOT PROPRIETARY PROGRAMS WITHIN OUR COMPANY THAT WE, WE DO USE FOR REAL ESTATE. 
          SO WE HAVE ALL COMPETITION GAS USES IN THERE. 
          AND SO WE COUNTED ABOUT A, JUST A QUARTER OF THE CITY AND USED THAT STATISTIC REALLY QUICK. 
          BUT WHAT WE GOT FROM THAT WAS 80% OF GAS STATIONS ARE WITHIN 500 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT ONE I'LL TOUCH ON IS TRAFFIC. 
          UH, THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN AND WHAT I'LL SAY IS WE'RE NOT A DESTINATION LOCATION. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA DERIVE OFF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK FOR A SITE. 
          UM, TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE HERE, WE'RE STILL IN PROGRESS ON OUR T I A, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE MOST OF THE COUNTS, EXISTING COUNTS. 
          AND FOR THE TRIP GENERATION OF THE QUICK TRIP, IF YOU TAKE THE, UH, THE TRAFFIC ALONG WALTERS AND NORTH FRONTAGE IN THE, IN THE FRONTAGE ROAD IN 35, YOU TAKE THAT, WE'RE ONLY GONNA PULL 2% OF THAT TRAFFIC 
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FOR OUR TRIP GENERATION. 
          UH, THE NEXT ONE HAS BEEN PIERCING ELEMENTARY. 
          AND IN REGARDS TO ITS PROXIMITY TO OUR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS APPROXIMATELY 4,425 FEET PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE, UM, ALMOST 900 FEET, UH, TO THE PLAYGROUND. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY WE HAVE NUMEROUS LOCATIONS THAT DIRECTLY ABUT SCHOOLS. 
          UH, THE REASON WE DON'T TYPICALLY DIRECTLY ABUT 'EM IS THAT T A B C REGULATIONS REQUIRE 300 FEET FOR YOUR ALCOHOL PERMIT. 
          SO WHAT WE'LL DO IN THOSE SCENARIOS, IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL LAND, UM, THERE'S, YOU CAN PLAT DIFFERENTLY OR YOU BUY A COUPLE PADS OVER SO THAT YOU CAN MEET THAT 300, UH, FOOT SPACING REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO PIERCING YOUNG. 
          YOU, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED RESPONSES. 
          I WAS HOPING TO HAVE A RESPONSE DATE, BUT I HAVE REACHED OUT TO, UH, ONE OF OUR FIRST STORES WE OPENED HERE, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN NUMBER SIX, WE OPENED. 
          UM, IT'S LOCATED OVER HUBNER IN U SS A A, IT HAS A SCHOOL DIRECTLY BEHIND US. 
          SO I DID REACH OUT TO THAT PRINCIPAL FOR ANY FEEDBACK. 
          SHE SAID THERE'S NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK WHATSOEVER THAT WE HAD ON HER OPERATIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE CONCERN WITH CHILDREN CROSSING THE STREET ALSO IS KIND OF IN HAND WITH THAT, WHICH I TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING THOSE SIDEWALKS, UM, HOMELESS AND LOITERING WAS BROUGHT UP. 
          UM, FOR ME PERSONALLY WITH, WITH THIS ONE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED SITE THERE, THERE'S NOT HOMELESS LIVING THERE, SO I DON'T SEE US DISRUPTING TO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NO PLACE TO GO, THUS CAUSING THEM TO HANG AROUND THE HOUSES AROUND US. 
          UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, HIGHLY TRAINED EMPLOYEES LIKE WE ALWAYS DO, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, 24 HOUR SECURITY. 
          AND OUR, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE HIGHLY TRAINED TO WHERE WE DON'T ALLOW LOITERING, WE DON'T ALLOW LOITERING WHATSOEVER. 
          UM, AND I, I'LL KIND OF WORK THIS INTO CRIME AND SAFETY, UM, BUT COPS HANG AROUND QUICKTRIP, WE GIVE 'EM FREE DRINKS. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL, YOU'LL NOTICE ONCE WE, IN AN OPEN A WHILE, AS COPS, COPS LOVE COMING FOR QUICKTRIP FOR THEIR QUICK BREAKS. 
          UM, AND THAT HELPS US OUT A LOT. 
          BUT OUR SECURITY SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY HAVE A MINIMUM OF ABOUT 24 CAMERAS. 
          WE COVER ALMOST EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE LOT. 
          UM, THEY'RE VERY SOPHISTICATED AND ALL THAT DATA GOES TO QUICKTRIP HANDS, LIKE I SAID, OUT IN TULSA. 
          THE COOL THING ABOUT IT BEING ALL IN QUICKTRIP HANDS IS THAT NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF URGENCY THAN THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE COMPANY AND CARE ABOUT THE COMPANY. 
          UM, SO SECURITY. 
          WE, WE ALSO WILL HAVE OVERNIGHT ARMED GUARD, UM, ON THE OVERNIGHTS, UM, WHEN THE STORE FIRST OPENS. 
          UH, WE'LL DO THAT IN SOME AREAS JUST TO EXAMINE ABOUT THE FIRST YEAR TO SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE. 
          UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT YEAR WE WILL REEVALUATE AND SAY, HEY, IS IT NEEDED? IS IT NOT? UM, OVERALL WE ARE A GREAT NEIGHBOR. 
          WE DO THE RIGHT THING AND WE ARE PROPOSING A TRANSPARENT TOP QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, AND I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          CULLEN JONES, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL BURGESS. 
          YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES, MR. JONES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, MADAM CHAIRMAN, UH, HANG ON JUST A SECOND PLEASE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS CULLEN JONES. 
          I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO AT 1123. 
          NOLAN, I RECOMMEND THE CONIS, EXCUSE ME, I RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION DENY THE REQUEST TO BUILD A MEGA GAS STATION IN THIS LOCATION. 
          SAN ANTONIO PRESENTLY LACKS REGULATIONS, GOT A NEW GAS STATIONS TO LOW IMPACT SITES. 
          HOWEVER, SECTION 35 4 21 OF THE U D C SETS FORTH APPROVAL CRITERIA GUIDING REZONING REQUEST READING THE U D C. 
          THE PROPOSED REQUEST FAILS TO MEET CONSISTENCY NUMBER ONE, AS THIS MEGA STATION SERVES NO SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC PURPOSE AS THERE ARE THREE MEGA STATIONS LESS THAN ONE MILE AWAY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS. 
          NUMBER TWO, UH, STATES THAT LOTS SHALL NOT BE REZONED IN A WAY THAT SUBSTANTIALLY INCONSISTENT. 
          YET. 
          C TWO INVADES RESIDENTIAL SUITABILITY IS PRESENTLY ZONED, WHICH IS NUMBER THREE, UH, SEEKS A SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED CONDITION TO WARRANT SUCH A CHANGE FOR PROOF OF A REAL PUBLIC NEED. 
          AND HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE, WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR, SAYS THE CHANGE SHOULD BEAR A SUBSTANTIAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH. 
          UH, AND I HATE TO SOUND SNARKY, BUT SO THE HEALTH BENEFITS, UM, AIR POLLUTANTS RELEASED IN THE NEIGHBORING HOMES IN THE NEARBY SCHOOL ARE SUBSTANTIAL. 
          ESSENTIALLY THE WORD SUBSTANTIAL IS IGNORED SIX TIMES. 
          SLIDE TWO PLEASE. 
          EIGHT OF THE NINE CURRENT LOCATIONS. 
          SEVEN SAID THAT I GOOGLED NINE OR I GOOGLED QT OR QUICKTRIP. 
          I ONLY GOT NINE. 
          AND THE ONE WITH THE QUESTION MARK, SOMEONE SEVEN. 
          SOME FUN WITH THE EQUIVOCATION. 
          SO ANYWAY, I COUNTED EIGHT OF THE NINE 30 SECONDS. 
          EIGHT OF THE NINE CURRENT LOCATIONS OF QT STATIONS ARE EITHER OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS OR IN COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS. 
          THE NINTH ONE IS NEXT TO COMMERCIAL AND AN UNDEVELOPED C TWO QT 4, 7 0 SUBDIVISION, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          I HAVE NO HOSTILITY TOWARDS 
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QT, NO ANIMOSITY TOWARDS THE PROPERTY OWNER, NOR I AN ALARMIST. 
          BUT I DO EXPECT MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING, MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE FROM CSSA AND MORE HEALTHY INVOLVEMENT FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. 
          I URGE THE ZONING COMMISSION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS REZONING REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MICHAEL BURGESS, FOLLOWED BY DORA PEREZ. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER I, ARMANDO ZAVALA AND MY WIFE JASMINE BURGESS OWN A RECENTLY REMODELED HOME OFF CARSON STREET. 
          THE PROPOSED GAS STATION WILL BE ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM OUR RESIDENCE. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY STATIONED IN FORT BLISS, BUT PLAN TO RETURN TO SAN ANTONIO AFTER RETIREMENT, THE MILITARY. 
          AFTER RETIRING FROM THE MILITARY, OUR HOPES WERE TO RETIRE IN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          CLOSE PROXIMITY TO FORT SAM WHERE I WILL WORK AS A TEACHER. 
          WE INTEND OUR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL BACK. 
          THIS IS WHY I PURCHASED OUR BEAUTIFUL HOME IN GOVERNMENT HILLS. 
          THE CURRENT PROPOSAL TO BUILD A GAS STATION WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE FUTURE GOALS, OUR FUTURE GOALS. 
          WE ARE CONCERNED FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR THE HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE AREA, AND THE INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL ROADS. 
          DUE TO THE, UM, DUE TO THE MENTION CONCERNS, WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE PROPOSED TO BUILD A GAS STATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I BELIEVE THE OUTCOME OF THIS DECISION WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY FACTORED IN OUR DECISION TO CALL SAN ANTONIO HOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DORA PEREZ, FOLLOWED BY BARBARA GAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS DORA BEES. 
          I LIVE AT 7 25 SAND MEYERS. 
          I LIVE IN A DIVERSITY AND GENERATIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I INHERIT, I INHERIT MY CHILDHOOD HOME IN 2018. 
          I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 40 YEARS. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I, MY HUSBAND AND I, I'M SORRY. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MY PARENTS PURCHASED THEIR HOME. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, VERY NERVOUS. 
          MY, MY PARENTS HAD PURCHASED THEIR HOME AND PROPERTY IN 1953. 
          THEY STARTED A FAMILY AND LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL THEIR DEATH IN 2018 FOR 63 YEARS. 
          THEY WERE NOT ONLY, UH, THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY FAMILY THAT LIVED AND LOVED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE HERE NOW. 
          MRS. BETTY ALLEN, WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY 'CAUSE OF ILLNESS. 
          SHE LIVES ON EAST CARSON. 
          MRS. ALLEN IS PICTURED IN, UH, NEXT TO HER HOME, UH, BY THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS FLAG. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS HER STORY. 
          I MOVED FROM, THIS IS HER STORY. 
          I MOVED FROM, UH, SUN HOME SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD 30 YEARS AGO. 
          AND I STILL LIVE IN MY HOME WITH MY DAUGHTER NEXT TO ME WITH MY GRANDKIDS. 
          PLEASE KEEP THIS RESIDENTIAL. 
          THIS IS MARY HALLIS CERVANTES WHO COULD NOT MAKE IT TODAY. 
          THIS IS HER STORY. 
          I MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN MAY OF 1946 WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL. 
          I LIVE ONE BLOCK FROM MY CHILDHOOD HOME THAT I INHERITED FROM MY DAD WHO PASSED AWAY IN 2015 AS AT THE AGE OF 106. 
          I AM 82 YEARS OLD AND I STILL LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN ALSO STILL LIVE HERE. 
          PLEASE KEEP THIS A RESIDENTIAL. 
          I ALSO HAVE A PETITION SIGNED BY FAM FAMILIES OPPOSING 30 SECONDS OPPOSING THE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. 
          UM, I PLEASE ASK, I ASK THOSE WHO ARE IN OPPOSED, PLEASE STAND. 
          THESE ARE MY NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          BARBARA GAY, FOLLOWED BY YOLANDA DELFIN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M HERE FOR ON BEHALF OF MY NIECE, JASMINE BURGESS. 
          I PURCHASED MY HOME ON EAST CARSON AT THE AGE OF 25 WITH DREAMS OF STARTING A FAMILY AND GROWING OLD IN IN THAT HOME. 
          AFTER YEARS OF SEARCHING AND SAVING, I FOUND THE PERFECT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE THING I LOVE MOST ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS HOW PEACEFUL IT IS WITH FORT SAM BASE BEHIND US AND OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          ON I ON 35 NORTH AND FRONT. 
          I LOVE THE LOW TRAFFIC AND CRIME. 
          I'M A RESPIRATORY THERAPIST AND MY HUSBAND IS A MILITARY PHYS PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT. 
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GIVEN OUR ME MEDICAL BACKGROUNDS, WE ARE AWARE OF THE ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS OF LIVING THIS CLOSE TO A GAS STATION. 
          WE ARE AGAINST A GAS STATION BEING PLACED ON THE CORNER OF NORTH WALTERS AND INTERSTATE 35, BARELY TWO STREETS IN, IN FRONT OF OUR HOME, AND LESS THAN 500 FEET AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL OUR CHILDREN WILL ATTEND. 
          IT WOULD COMPLETELY DESTROY OUR PEACE AND DREAMS. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO START OVER. 
          FOR THE BENEFIT OF A COMPANY, WE'LL COUNT ON OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH AND PEACE. 
          YOLANDA DELFIN, FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY SIG. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          TO WHO? MA'AM? OKAY. 
          ASHLEY SIG. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM YIELD THAT MR. SIG CAN GET. 
          YOU'LL GET SIX MINUTES, MR. SIG, BUT YOU DON'T COME UNTIL LATER. 
          SO I'M GONNA CALL THE NEXT PERSON IN SEQUENCE. 
          RICARDO SPE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS RICARDO RESPE. 
          I LIVE AT FOUR 19 SANDMEYER STREET. 
          I'M IN THE VALLEY BETWEEN, UH, SNAKE HILL AND GOVERNMENT HILL. 
          UH, I ATTENDED PERSHING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, AND SEEN THE WAY THE INCREASE IN FLOOD WATERS AS AREAS GET PAVED OVER IN THIS AREA. 
          NEEDLESS TO SAY, I DON'T SEE ANY PLAN FOR WHERE'S THIS WATER GONNA GO. 
          I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA GO. 
          IT'S GONNA FLOW DOWN THE HILL AND IT'S GONNA CAUSE FLOODING IN MY AREA, COUPLED WITH THE RUNOFF FROM FORT SAM HOUSTON. 
          NOW, ONE THING I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE TRAFFIC. 
          I WALKED THAT AREA WHEN I WAS A CHILD BACK IN 59 WHEN PERSHING OPENED. 
          AND LET'S FACE IT, I 35 CAME UP. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC. 
          NOW THE ONE THING IS A PLACEMENT OF THE AREA OF THE GAS STATION IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          THERE ARE OTHER OPEN AREAS WHERE IT COULD HAVE BEEN PLACED TENTATIVELY. 
          LET'S FACE IT, THERE ARE OPEN AREAS. 
          WHY COULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN DONE BACK OVER HERE TOWARDS THE SOUTH? WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT ON THE HIGHWAY. 
          NO INTER NO INCREASED TRAFFIC, NO POTENTIAL LIGHT POLLUTION, NO PROBLEMS. BUT YET HERE WE'RE KNOCKING OUT PART OF OUR LITTLE RESIDENCE, RESIDENTIAL AREA, 20 SECONDS. 
          SO I STAND AS OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ASA BASLER YIELDED HER TIME TO LIZ FRANKLIN. 
          THAT'LL BE LATER AS WELL IN THE SEQUENCE. 
          THE NEXT PERSON IS VALERIE REYNOLDS. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE REYNOLDS AND I OWN A SMALL BUSINESS IN DISTRICT TWO. 
          IT'S, UH, ON NOLAN STREET, NINE 14 NOLAN, AND I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS NOW. 
          UM, I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          UM, I'M HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF ANOTHER GAS STATION IN DISTRICT TWO. 
          CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 11 GAS STATIONS IN OPERATION, ALL WITHIN ABOUT ONE AND A HALF, TWO MILES OF EACH OTHER. 
          UM, NOT ONLY IS AN ADDITIONAL GAS STATION COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY, BUT WHAT REAL ECONOMIC OR COMMUNITY INCENTIVE DOES IT REALLY BRING TO THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS AND D TWO? CLEARLY WE ARE GOOD ON GAS STATIONS. 
          POSITIVE COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO DISTRICT TWO MIGHT INSTEAD COME IN THE FORM OF A GROCERY STORE, A DRUG STORE, OR EVEN BETTER, AN URGENT CARE OR MEDICAL CLINIC THAT COULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE AGING D TWO POPULATION AND POSSIBLY PROVIDE CHECKUPS AND IMMUNIZATIONS TO THE CHILDREN WHO GO TO SCHOOL. 
          JUST 400 FEET FROM THE PROPOSED GAS STATION. 
          AN URGENT CARE COULD ALSO PROVIDE TAXPAYERS IN SAN ANTONIO RELIEF IN REDUCING EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS. 
          ALSO, JUST A SIDE NOTE, AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM QUIKTRIP TALKING ABOUT 
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THE SAFETY AND POSITIVE OR NOT THE NEGATIVE HEALTH BENEFITS OF A GAS STATION. 
          MY FATHER-IN-LAW, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW ARE PHYSICIANS, AND I ASKED THEM, HEY, WOULD YOU GUYS BUY A HOME OR INVEST IN A HOME ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GAS STATION? THEY WERE LIKE, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          MY HUSBAND'S A PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT AND I GET CARE FROM A PHYSICIAN, ANOTHER PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT. 
          SECONDS. 
          AGAIN, NO WAY. 
          I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA NEED ANOTHER GAS STATION. 
          HAVE YOU ALL DRIVEN THE AREA? DO YOU ALL SEE THAT? WE'RE INUNDATED WITH GAS STATIONS AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, THERE ARE HEALTHY SNACKS THERE. 
          GO TO, WE NEED A GROCERY STORE. 
          YOU KNOW, UM, I JUST, I'M REALLY IN OPPOSITION AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THE ARGUMENTS THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING FROM QUIKTRIP. 
          COME ON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANGELICA HERNANDEZ, FOLLOWED BY CALEB JAMES WENDELL DAVIS. 
          DAVIS. 
          THEY YIELDED THEIR TIME TO WENDELL DAVIS. 
          SO THE NEXT PERSON IS CALEB JAMES, FOLLOWED BY LORENZO ORTIZ. 
          MY NAME IS CALEB JAMES. 
          I LIVE AT 1800 EAST CARSON STREET. 
          WITHIN THAT BIG IMPACT CRATER, UH, THAT'S CIRCLED IN RED THERE. 
          UM, I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE WHEN I WAS 24 YEARS OLD, WHICH IS SIX MONTHS AGO NOW. 
          I'M 25. 
          WOO . 
          UM, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AROUND AND IT, UH, STATED THAT, UH, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT, UH, RELEASE INSURANCE TO, UM, TWO F H A WITH HOUSES WITHIN 300 FEET OF, UH, A GAS STATION FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S NOW IN A, I GOT 29 AND A HALF MORE YEARS OF, UH, FINANCIAL MARRIAGE TO A HOUSE. 
          THAT'S REALLY HARD NEWS TO HEAR BECAUSE I AM ONLY 25 YEARS OLD AND I WORK FOR A COMPANY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY MOVE ME AT ANY TIME. 
          UM, HUD HAS, UH, SAID THAT 15% OF MY MARKET WILL DROP OFF THE MAP. 
          AND WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE AND ASK 'EM IF THEY'RE GONNA BUY A GAS STATION OR BUY A HOUSE NEXT TO A GAS STATION, THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO. 
          BECAUSE WHEN THEY GO OUTSIDE AND SMELL THE FUMES, THEY, THEY'RE NOT SMELLING BARBECUE. 
          THEY'RE SMELLING GASOLINE. 
          NOBODY WANTS TO BUY A HOUSE. 
          I'M STUCK IN 29 AND A HALF MORE YEARS NEXT TO A GAS STATION. 
          WE DON'T EVEN NEED IT. 
          UM, AND THE OTHER THING, THE, THE OTHER MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT MUST BE MENTIONED, UH, WHEN YOU UP RAISE YOUR HOUSE IS, IS IT WITHIN 300 FEET OF A A GAS STATION? ARE THERE FUMES? AND THEN IS THERE TRAFFIC? ALL THREE WILL PENALIZE MY HOUSE IF I WANT TO UP RAISE IT 30 SECONDS. 
          LET'S KEEP THESE FAMILY STREETS. 
          LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE BEGGING FOR THIS GAS STATION TO NOT MOVE IN. 
          THIS IS A FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A SCHOOL NEARBY. 
          LET'S KEEP THESE FAMILY STREETS. 
          LORENZO ORTIZ, FOLLOWED BY LIZ FRANKLIN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME'S LORENZO ORTIZ. 
          I OWN THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY THE FIRST X TO THE LEFT, UH, 25 47 IH 35. 
          I PURCHASED THE HOUSE. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, THE AREA, THE COMMUNITY, AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I MET A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AND, UH, I WENT TO THE MEETINGS THAT, UH, QT OFFERED. 
          I ASKED TWO QUESTIONS. 
          THE FIRST QUESTION IS AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY CUSTOMERS DO THEY PROPOSE, MORE OR LESS TO SEE ON A DAILY BASIS? COULD NOT ANSWER ME. 
          I ASKED HOW MANY, HOW'S IT GONNA AFFECT THE TRAFFIC? COULD NOT ANSWER ME. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT WAS TOLD TO ME WAS THAT I COULD ACTUALLY HELP IN SELECTING THE PLANTS AND THE FOLIAGE AROUND. 
          WHO WANTS TO DO THAT? I'M IN OPPOSITION. 
          THEY STATE QT THAT THE H O A IS FOR IT, WHICH THEY, I GUESS THEY CAN BE. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE IN OPPOSITION, THAT IS THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE SPEAKING THAT WE DON'T WANT THANK YOU. 
          THIS FRANKLIN FOLLOWED BY SHERRY BARBIE. 
          LIZ, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES, . 
          SORRY, SORRY, FOUR . 
          YOU GUYS ARE TOO MUCH. 
          LIZ FRANKLIN, UH, DIGNITY WITTY HILL DISTRICT TWO. 
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AND I BREATHE THE AIR THAT'S COMING THERE. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT SAID, AND I WANT TO TRY AND STREAMLINE. 
          HOW WAS YOUR HOLIDAYS? UM, NO, GETTING BACK TO BUSINESS. 
          I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT. 
          THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF REASONS WHY ALL OF THEM SITTING RIGHT BEHIND ME. 
          REALLY? REALLY? OKAY. 
          I BELONG TO THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE. 
          THERE'S TWO OF THEM NOW. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH A DIVORCE. 
          UM, AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, IS ONE IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE OTHER. 
          ONE IS MORE HELPFUL THAN THE OTHER, AND BOTH OF THEM DON'T REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE. 
          OKAY? SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE UNDERSERVED, THE ELDERLY, THE INFIRM AND OUR BABIES. 
          500 FEET PEOPLE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE TRUIT CAME UP WITH 900 TODAY. 
          THE OTHER DAY IT WAS FOUR 50. 
          ALL RIGHT? AND I'M NOT MAD AT TRUETT BECAUSE THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, I DON'T HAVE A BEEF IN THE GAME FOR QT. 
          THEY WERE A GREAT COMPANY, JUST NOT THERE. 
          ONE LIGHT. 
          ONE LIGHT. 
          THERE ARE THREE OTHER SUPER STATIONS, THREE OTHERS. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT A SUPERSTATION IS? ASK TRUET. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY PUT DOWN ON THE APPLICATION. 
          SO I'M GONNA GUESS AND SAY THAT IT'S MORE THAN 10 PUMPS. 
          WE'RE TALKING 16 PUMPS PEOPLE, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF GALLONS. 
          AND THAT'S 500 FEET FROM FOUR, FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY FIVE KIDS, TEACHERS, TEACHERS ASSISTANTS, PRINCIPALS, ADMIN, AND ALL OF THE RELATED STAFF THAT DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ON THE RECYCLED AIR, THEY'RE GONNA BLEED, BREATHE BACK IN. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          CANCER LEUKEMIA, BENZENE. 
          THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE. 
          THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF STUDIES OUT THERE. 
          WE WON'T SEE THEM FOR 20 YEARS. 
          SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE INCORPORATED THE CHANGES NOW HAVE BEEN A RESULT OF 20 YEARS. 
          IT'S MORE THAN I WANTED TO KNOW. 
          BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS, IS THEY PICK A YOUNG POPULATION, IT'S EASIER TO TRACK THEM. 
          NOW, WHICH ONE OF YOU GUYS UP HERE OR OUT HERE WANTS TO TELL SOMEBODY THAT HAS A SEVEN YEAR OLD, THAT 27, THAT 27 YEARS FROM NOW OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW COMES UP WITH A CANCER OR LEUKEMIA THAT NOBODY AT 27 SHOULD HAVE? NONE OF US. 
          I DON'T WANNA BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE FENCE OR BE FOUR GAS STATIONS AT THE VERY NEXT INTER STATION. 
          WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN TO A MODEL LIKE QT? I DON'T HAVE A BEEF WITH THEM. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED SO MUCH IN D TWO. 
          AND THIS IS NOT MY THUMPING AND STOMPING GROUND, BUT THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS A FEW JOBS THAT PAY A LITTLE BIT BETTER AT THE RISK OF AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          THESE WERE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE. 
          I KNOW WHAT THEY SAY WOULD BE MAYBE MULTIFAMILY IF, IF THE OWNER WANTED TO SELL, BUT WE GO TO SOMETHING C TWO WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE GAS STATION ANYWHERE IN C TWO, YOU WOULD NOT LIVE THERE. 
          TRUIST SAID, ONLY IF IT WAS A QT GAS STATION, WOULD HE LIVE THAT CLOSE. 
          THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR IS ABOUT 150 FEET. 
          AND OH, BY THE WAY, 30 SECONDS, 27 YEARS AGO ON THE 29TH OF OCTOBER. 
          I'M NOT STEALING HER THUNDER. 
          SHE GOT HER HEART. 
          IT WAS THE SECOND ONE IN HER LIFE. 
          LET'S HOPE IT'S HER LAST ONE. 
          LOOK, PEOPLE, IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. 
          FOUR GAS STATIONS ON THE VERY NEXT DOOR. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IF QT DOESN'T MAKE THEIR NUMBERS? THAT'S WHY THEY CAN'T TELL ANYBODY, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T HIT THEIR NUMBERS, THEY'RE LEAVING AND THEN WE ARE STUCK WITH IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SHERRY BARBIE, FOLLOWED BY DET COLE. 
          YES. 
          FOUR MINUTES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? IN THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU? GO AHEAD, REPEAT IT. 
          SAY I, I YELLED MY TIME TO MY MOM. 
          SHERRY BARBIE. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME IS SHERRY BARBIE. 
          THIS IS MY EIGHT YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, BAILEY BARBIE. 
          IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE HAD TO FIGHT TWO DIFFERENT GAS STATIONS FROM BEING BUILT WITHIN 300 FEET OF OUR BACK DOOR. 
          THIS FIGHT IS PERSONAL FOR US, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GAS STATIONS LOWERING OUR PROPERTY VALUES OR INCREASING CRIME. 
          RATHER, IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HOW POISONOUS 
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GAS STATIONS ARE. 
          IT'S A PROVEN FACT THAT GAS STATIONS EMIT HIGH LEVELS OF BENZENE INTO THE AIR THROUGH PUMPING AND SPILLAGE OF GASOLINE. 
          AND IT'S A PROVEN FACT THAT BENZENE CAN AND DOES CAUSE LEUKEMIA IN CHILDREN AND ADULTS LIVING ANYWHERE WITHIN ZERO TO 500 FEET OF A GAS STATION. 
          I'M GOING TO SUPPLY YOU WITH A COPY OF A REPORT FROM THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION IN JUST A MOMENT. 
          IN THIS REPORT, IT STATES BENZENE IS A WELL-ESTABLISHED CAUSE OF CANCER IN HUMANS. 
          THE INTERNATIONAL AGENCY FOR RESEARCH ON CANCER HAS CLASSIFIED BENZENE AS CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS. 
          GROUP ONE BENZENE CAUSES ACUTE MYLON LYMPHOCYTIC LEUKEMIA. 
          AND THERE IS LIMITED EVIDENCE THAT BENZENE MAY ALSO CAUSE ACUTE AND CHRONIC LYMPHOCYTIC LEUKEMIA, NON-HODGKIN'S LYMPHOMA AND MULTIPLE MYELOMA. 
          MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE WHO REPORT EMPHASIZES THAT IF YOU DEVELOP LEUKEMIA FROM BENZENE EXPOSURE, YOUR RISK OF DYING FROM LEUKEMIA INCREASES THE WHO REPORT ADVISES TO REDUCE EXPOSURE AT PETROL FILLING STATIONS BY FOLLOWING THE BEST PRACTICES IN LOCATION. 
          UH, NOW I'M GONNA READ FROM A LOCAL STUDY BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT WAS CITED BY QUIKTRIP, THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY, AS WAS MY WHO REPORT, BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE LOCAL. 
          THIS IS A TEXAS A AND M STUDY IN THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PUBLIC HEALTH, AND I'M GONNA READ FROM IT. 
          SEVERAL STUDIES HAVE FOUND THAT LIVING NEAR HAZARDOUS WASTE SITES, INDUSTRIAL SITES, CROPLAND WITH PESTICIDE APPLICATIONS, HIGHLY TRAFFICKED ROADS, NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS AND GAS STATIONS OR REPAIR SHOPS, IS RELATED TO AN INCREASED RISK OF ADVERSE HEALTH OUTCOMES. 
          GOVERNMENT AGENCIES SHOULD CONSIDER THESE FINDINGS IN ESTABLISHING RULES AND PERMITTING AND ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES TO REDUCE POLLUTION FROM ENVIRONMENTALLY BURDENSOME FACILITIES AND LAND USES. 
          RISK OF CHILDHOOD CANCER WAS EXAMINED IN RELATION TO RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY TO OTHER SOURCES OF CONTAMINATES, INCLUDING GAS STATIONS. 
          INCREASED RISK OF CHILDHOOD LEUKEMIA WAS FOUND WITH RESIDENTIAL ADDRESSES, NEAR GAS STATIONS, REPAIR GARAGES, ET CETERA. 
          CHILDREN WHOSE MOTHERS LIVED IN NEAR INDUSTRIES COVERED UNDER THE TOXIC RELEASE INVENTORY, WHICH GAS STATIONS ARE DURING PREGNANCY, WERE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE BRAIN CANCER, ESPECIALLY IF THE MOTHER LIVED WITHIN ONE MILE OF A FACILITY WITH CARCINOGENIC EMISSIONS. 
          THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT ILLNESSES, NOT JUST LEUKEMIA THAT'S INVOLVED WITH BENZENE POISONING NOW. 
          SO WHY IS THIS FIGHT TO STOP GAS STATIONS IN OR NEAR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS A PERSONAL FIGHT FOR US? IT'S OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD AND START, BABY. 
          MY LITTLE GIRL HERE. 
          BAILEY BARBIE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PRE B A L L ACUTE LYMPHOBLASTIC LEUKEMIA WHEN SHE WAS THREE YEARS OLD. 
          SHE WAS RUSHED THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL OF SAN ANTONIO ON CHRISTMAS EVE OF 2014. 
          YEAH, SHE SPENT HER CHRISTMAS FIGHTING FOR HER LIFE. 
          I'LL PUT YOU DOWN. 
          YOU'VE GROWN  FIGHTING FOR HER LIFE WITH MULTIPLE BLOOD TRANSFUSING TRANSFUSING TRANSFUSIONS BEING GIVEN TO HER IS A NECESSITY FOR HER TO LIVE. 
          FOR OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS, SHE UNDERWENT COUNTLESS INTRAVENOUS CHEMO TREATMENTS, HAD TO SWALLOW OVER 5,000 PILLS, UNDERGO DOZENS OF SURGICAL PROCEDURES, 30 SECONDS, AND BE POKED BY HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF NEEDLES. 
          THANKFULLY, SHE MADE IT THROUGH. 
          SO WE ARE HERE TO SHOW YOU AND TESTIFY THAT THIS IS WHAT LEUKEMIA IS LIKE, AND IT IS REAL. 
          AND ALTHOUGH SHE MADE IT OUT ALIVE, LEUKEMIA CAN POSSIBLY BE A DESONANCE. 
          AND LIKE MY DOCTOR TOLD ME, FROM ANYWHERE FROM THE, IF YOU'RE NOT WITHIN THE AGES OF THREE AND 10, IT'S USUALLY A DEATH SENTENCE. 
          AND NOW WITH THE WHO REPORT THAT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, IT STATES THAT IT CAN BE A DEATH SENTENCE IF YOUR LEUKEMIA COMES FROM EXPOSURE TO BENZENE. 
          THAT'S FOUR MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I HOPE YOU GUYS MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DET COLE, FOLLOWED BY MARLENE HAWKINS. 
          ARE Y'ALL READY? YES. 
          MY NAME IS DI COLE AND I LIVE AT 1 0 5 RENO STREET. 
          FEBRUARY 5TH, 2015, I PURCHASED MY HOME IN A SMALL, QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ON A HILL OVERLOOKING THE CITY. 
          I HAD EVERY RIGHT AND EVERY EXPECTATION FOR THIS STREET AND HOME TO REMAIN A RESIDENTIAL AREA FOR THIS REZONING CASE. 
          WE AND MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE AT GROUND ZERO. 
          IF A GAS STATION IS BUILT 30 FEET IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTIES, OUR FINANCES, OUR HEALTH, AND OUR HOME LIVES WILL BE THE MO THE MOST NEGATIVELY IMPACTED WITH DEVASTATING RIPPLES FELT THROUGHOUT OUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AT THE 
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DECEMBER 3RD ZONING HEARING, I SPOKE ABOUT FALLING IN LOVE WITH OUR HOUSE. 
          THE FIRST TIME I CAME TO SEE IT, THE GRAPEFRUIT, ORANGE AND PERSIMMON TREES. 
          THE HOUSE ITSELF NEEDED WORK, BUT IT HAD GOOD BONES. 
          AND I COULD IMAGINE US MAKING A HAPPY LIFE THERE. 
          OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE SHARED THEIR BARBECUES, THEIR KIDS' BIRTHDAY PARTIES, AND WE'VE SHARED OUR, THE BOUNTY OF OUR FRUIT TREES IN KIND. 
          AND NOW, WE'LL ALL, WE'VE ALL COME TOGETHER TO FIGHT FOR OUR HOMES, EACH OTHER, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE CALL HOME. 
          THE FACTS ARE OWNING A HOME IN SUCH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A GAS STATION IS PROVEN TO BE HARMFUL TO THE HEALTH OF CHILDREN, THE ELDERLY, AND PEOPLE WITH SUPPRESSED IMMUNE SYSTEMS. THE HEALTH RISK OF LIVING IN MY HOME SO CLOSE TO THE THE VENTING TOXIC VAPORS OF A GAS STATION WILL BE ENORMOUS FOR ME. 
          AT 32, I HAD TO HAVE A HEART TRANSPLANT DUE TO A FLU THAT ATTACKED MY HEART. 
          MY DONOR HEART WAS FROM AN 18 YEAR OLD MALE AND A FAMILY I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO MEET FOR 26 YEARS, I'VE RELIGIOUSLY FOLLOWED MY IMMUNOSUPPRESSIVE DRUG PROTOCOL, 30 AND PROTECTED THIS GIFT AND MY SECOND CHANCE AT LIFE, BENZENE AND ESPECIALLY TOLUENE CAN NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE EFFICACY OF MY ANTI-REJECTION DRUGS. 
          I WILL NOT RISK MY HEALTH OR MY HEART HEALTH. 
          IF A GAS STATION IS BUILT 30 FEET IN FRONT OF OUR HOME, WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE OUR HOME, OUR FRUIT TREES, AND OUR LIFE AS WE KNOW IT. 
          AT 1 0 5 RENO, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. 
          QT OR ANY GAS STATION'S REZONING REQUESTS FOR THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE DENIED. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MARLENE HAWKINS, FOLLOWED BY VIRGINIA VAN CLEEF. 
          MY NAME IS MARLENE HAWKINS. 
          I LIVE AT 6 0 1 EAST CARSON. 
          UH, I'M ASSOCIATED WITH THE GOVERNMENT HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION. 
          AND THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE MEMBERS BECAUSE WE HAVE, OUR ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP IS ANYBODY THAT LIVES WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES. 
          UH, I WASN'T GONNA SAY ANYTHING BUT THE REFERENCE THAT, UH, TRUIT MADE AND THAT LIZ MADE TO THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. 
          THEY WERE VOTED OUT BY THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN APRIL OF 2018, AND THEY JUST PUT ON A SHOW FOR Y'ALL EVERY TIME BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO LEAVE. 
          THE OTHER ORGANIZATION THERE IS GOVERNMENT HILL UNITED, AND THEY'RE BASICALLY A SOCIAL ORGANIZATION BENZENE. 
          IN 19 48, 19 48, THE AUTOMOTIVE INSTITUTE SAID THE ONLY SAFE AMOUNT OF BENZENE IS ZERO. 
          THAT'S AN AUTOMOTIVE INSTITUTE. 
          THE CAUSES WE'VE HAD, THE LEUKEMIAS, CHILDHOOD LEUKEMIA RATES ARE UP AROUND SERVICE STATIONS. 
          BONE MARROW IS AFFECTED PREGNANT WOMEN THAT ARE EXPOSED IN THEIR EARLY STAGES. 
          IT AFFECTS THE, THE NEURAL TUBE IN THE EMBRYO. 
          THE NEURAL TUBE IS WHAT BECOMES THE BRAIN AND SPINAL CORD. 
          AND SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE BRAIN OR SPINAL DEFECTS AS A RESULT OF BEING EXPOSED TO BENZENE, UH, 30 SECONDS. 
          THE NAZIS SOUNDS STRANGE. 
          THEY USE BENZENE AS AN INJECTION TO MURDER PEOPLE WITH, UH, THE 1000 FEET THAT IT SHOULD BE BETWEEN FOR, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THE CITY PARK. 
          THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE WE NEED THE, WE NEED, LET ME LEMME JUST FINISH BY SAYING, ASKING FOR YOUR REC, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DENY THIS APPLICATION FOR A GAS STATION BECAUSE OF ITS MINI HEALTH AND SAFETY EFFECTS ON THE NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, THAT'S TWO MINUTES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, FOLLOWED BY WENDELL DAVIS. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, AND I'M REPRESENTING THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE ZONING CHAIN FROM MARCH SIX TO C TWO, PROPOSED AT IH 35 AND WALTER STREET. 
          THE ZONING CHANGE WILL ALLOW THE DEMOLITION OF SEVERAL PERFECTLY FUNCTIONAL HISTORIC HOMES FURTHER REDUCING THE AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING IN SAN ANTONIO, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, FURTHER REQUESTS THAT THE CITY QUANTIFY THE DOLLAR VALUE ADDED 
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TO THE PROPERTY VALUE BY THIS ZONING CHANGE. 
          RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          PATTY PRESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WENDELL DAVIS, FOLLOWED BY CYNTHIA SKOGEN. 
          MR. DAVIS, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          I HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES FROM ANGELICA HERNANDEZ. 
          UH, YOU DID YOU GET, YOU GET TWO AND THEN YOU GOT, YOU GOT YIELDED TWO, SO THAT'S A TOTAL OF FOUR. 
          DID SOMEONE ELSE YIELD MORE TIME? YES. 
          OH, MARIA. 
          MARIA HOLLOWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S SIX MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MY NAME IS WENDELL DAVIS. 
          I'M A PLANNING CONSULTANT REPRESENTING SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN, IN THIS, UH, ZONING CASE. 
          UM, I'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES TO SHOW YOU HERE AND TO DISCUSS WITH YOU. 
          AND, UM, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT QT IS A OUTSTANDING CORPORATE CITIZEN AND THEY HAVE COVERED ALL THE BASES, I THINK EXCEPT ONE. 
          AND, AND THAT IS HOUSING. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO THE MAYOR'S, UH, HOUSING, UH, TASK FORCE, HOUSING POLICY TASK FORCE, AND THE HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          UH, THAT ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE, UM, THE POLICY IS TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCTION, REHABIL REHABILITATION AND PRESERVATION. 
          AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE POLICY PRI PRIORITIES INCLUDES THAT PRESERVATION OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL UNITS. 
          ANOTHER POLICY, UH, PRIORITY IS TO PREVENT AND MITIGATE DISPLACEMENT. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THE CITY'S REAL APPROACH, UH, TO PREVENTING DISPLACEMENT TO INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES BY INVESTING IN HOME REPAIRS, REHAB, PRESERVATION, AND PRODUCTION OF HOUSING. 
          UH, THIS IS THE, UH, THE GOVERNMENT HILL PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN AUGUST OF 2010, BUT I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          SO I'M GONNA DISPENSE WITH THAT. 
          WHAT ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS? UH, IF THIS ZONING CASE IS APPROVED, OF COURSE SOME OF THEM, THE NEARBY PROPERTIES WILL INCREASE IN VALUE, MANY WILL DECREASE IN VALUE. 
          UH, AND THEN THERE'S THAT LOSS OF NINE HOUSING UNITS. 
          THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE TENANTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THE HOUSING UNITS. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO NOT TO PRESERVE THE HOUSING UNITS. 
          THEY SAY THEY'RE, UH, UH, HELPING TO, UH, HELPING THE DISPLACED HOUSEHOLDS FIND SOMETHING. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE TESTED THE HOUSING MARKET BECAUSE THERE'S HARDLY ANY HOUSING AVAILABLE. 
          THERE'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, THE NEXT THING I IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE TWO ACRES IS KIND OF AN OVERWHELMING POSITION INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND WHAT'S THE ESSENCE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD? IT'S HOUSING AND THE HOUSEHOLDS IN, IN THEM. 
          YOU, UH, YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THE TWO ACRES, 2.1 ACRES IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF PERSHING, UH, PARK, ABOUT THE SIZE OF PERSHING ELEMENTARY, EACH OF JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO ACRES. 
          AND HERE WE ARE INTERJECTING A HIGHWAY BUSINESS INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD, TWO ACRES, PICKING UP ABOUT 10 OR 14, 10 TO 14 LOTS, UH, WITH NINE AFFORDABLE HOMES ON THEM. 
          AND IF, IF THIS, UH, ZONING IS APPROVED HERE, UH, IT'LL SET A PRECEDENT, I BELIEVE, FOR OTHER NEARBY LOTS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR WHETHER THAT OTHER, THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET WAS APPROVED OR NOT. 
          AND DISPLACEMENT IS REALLY THE WORST NIGHTMARE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE GOVERNMENT HILL. 
          AND IT'S NOT ONLY JUST THEMSELVES, BUT THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR, THEIR FRIENDS. 
          THIS IS AN OLD, UH, SKETCH FROM, UH, THE WALTER STREET DESIGN CHARETTE IN 2011. 
          AND I'M TOLD THAT THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY, WELL, IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED, BUT, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A EXAMPLE OF WHAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE DONE AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          YOU CAN SEE ON THE LOWER RIGHT ON THE LOWER LEFT, ONE LITTLE, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING, UH, PARCEL. 
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AND ON THE RIGHT WHERE THERE ARE, WHERE THE, ALL OF THE FRONTAGE STREET FRONTAGE IS AT GRADE, THERE'S PLENTY OF STREET, UH, CURB CUTS AND THAT'S ALL. 
          A LOT OF THAT HAS BEEN, UM, CLEARED. 
          BUT, BUT THE, UH, APPLICANT DID NOT PURCHASE ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          NEXT DOOR. 
          HE PURCHASED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          WHAT ARE THE CITY'S IMPACTS IF THIS IS APPROVED? WELL, OF COURT, THERE'LL BE SALES AND PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. 
          UH, BUT HOWEVER IT IGNORES THEIR HOUSING POLICY PRIORITIES, IT DISPLACES NINE HOUSEHOLDS, NINE HOU NINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE LOST FROM THE HOUSING STOCK. 
          AND BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING SHORTAGE REPLACEMENT OR THOSE, EVEN THE TENANTS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY MADE DEALS WITH, UH, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO MOVE TO? THEY'LL JUST FIND THAT THERE IS HARDLY ANYTHING AVAILABLE. 
          AND NEW HOMES, ALMOST NO NEW HOMES ARE BUILT THAT ARE AFFORDABLE. 
          AND MOST OF THOSE WILL BE APARTMENTS. 
          IN MY OPINION, AS A PLANNER, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS HUGE, UH, LOT, THIS HUGE ZONING CHANGE IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE CITY'S PLAN. 
          I BELIEVE IT ERODES A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, UH, BY IT BYPASSES THOSE AVAILABLE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF, UH, WALTER STREET THAT ARE READY AND AVAILABLE. 
          DEMOLITIONS ALREADY OCCURRED. 
          NO HOUSING UNITS WOULD BE LOST. 
          30 SECONDS. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, LET'S, THESE ARE SOME OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          UM, YOU SEE THE VACANT LAND ON THE RIGHT AND THEN THE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE, ON THE LEFT. 
          HERE'S HOW BIG THE QT PROPERTY IS COMPARED TO PERSHING ELEMENTARY AND PERSHING PARK. 
          WHAT WILL APPLICANT'S IMPACTS BE? THEY, THEY WILL CITY WILL CREATE COMMERCIAL VALUE FOR THEM FOR PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE PAID RESIDENTIAL PRICES FOR THE APPLICANT GAINS LAND. 
          THAT'S SIX MINUTES. 
          THAT, OKAY. 
          WELL, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU DENY THIS, UH, APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LINDA O'BRIEN, FOLLOWED BY DANIEL GOLO. 
          LINDA AND I WANNA ASK EACH OF YOU, YOU'RE ALL FROM SAN ANTONIO. 
          RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          ALL YOU NOVA DO, YOU DON'T WHO LIVES IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU LIVE NEAR FREEWAY ACCESS? EASY ON, EASY OFF WITHIN A BLOCK OR TWO. 
          I'M GONNA SAY YES. 
          I CAN ASK THE PEOPLE OUT HERE. 
          THE NEXT THING IS, DO YOU LIVE IN A GATED COMMUNITY? ALMA HEIGHTS, TERRELL HILLS ALMOST PARK. 
          ALL RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. 
          SO HERE'S THE THING. 
          YOU COULD HAVE A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AS A GARAGE. 
          AS A GARAGE OR A SERVICE STATION BECAUSE THIS IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. 
          THIS IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT'S NOT RE ZONED FOR BUSINESS DISTRICT OR FUTURE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THE REALLY, THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE NUMBER OF GAS STATIONS IN THE CITY AND HAVING SOME GUIDELINES WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND FRAMEWORK, BECAUSE YOU, YOU OR ANY OF US, WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT, COULD EASILY HAVE A GAS STATION NEXT DOOR BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING RESIDENTIAL STOCK AND TURNING IT INTO A BUSINESS. 
          SO THAT'S MY CHALLENGE AND QUESTION TO YOU GUYS, IS TO CONSIDER THAT TODAY AND DENYING IT AND REALLY SET A POLICY WITH THE CITY AND OTHERS FOR THE FUTURE, BECAUSE OTHERWISE MANY OF US WILL HAVE A GAS STATION NEXT DOOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DANIEL GUILLO, FOLLOWED BY CARLOS CINDO. 
          OKAY, CARLOS, YOU'RE UP NEXT. 
          YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MY NAME IS CARLOS RESENDEZ AND I REPRESENT THE SELLER IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO BE REDUNDANT AND, UH, GO OVER ALL THE MANY ATTRIBUTES THAT MR. TRUIT PRUDY STATED. 
          AS FAR THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          WHAT I AM GOING TO REVIEW ARE THE MAIN COMPLAINTS THAT I HEARD THE LAST HEARING. 
          THERE WERE THREE, SEVEN TENANTS WHO WERE GOING TO BE DISPLACED. 
          BEAUTIFUL BUNGALOWS WERE GONNA BE TORN DOWN AND CHILDREN GOING TO BE AFFLICTED WITH LEUKEMIA BECAUSE IT WOULD PASS BY THE SERVICE STATION. 
          SO WE, THE, THE SELLER AND THE BUYER MET TO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE IN 
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THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TENANTS AND THE NEIGHBORS WITH RESPECT TO DISPLACEMENT. 
          YES, EVERYONE WILL BE DISPLACED, BUT IF SIGNIFICANCE IS THE FACT THAT THE BUYER AND THE SELLER HAVE MET EXTENSIVELY WITH THE TENANTS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WILL BENEFIT EVERYONE, THAT WILL BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST. 
          AND LEMME SAY THAT EVERY TENANT IS IN FULL SUPPORT AND HAS SENT, UH, THIS STATEMENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS, AT LEAST TO THE, UH, COUNCIL PERSON. 
          WHY? BECAUSE WE LISTENED AND WE WORKED WITH THE TENANTS AND PROVIDED THEM A PACKAGE THAT WOULD HELP 'EM IN THE TRANSITION, PROVIDED THEM WITH ASSISTANCE OF A REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT HAD THEIR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. 
          AND LASTLY, PROVIDED THEM WITH AN ECONOMIC PACKAGE, WHICH IN TWO OR MAYBE EVEN THREE CASES, UH, WILL BE ABLE TO RESULT IN A PURCHASE OF A HOME FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY DISTANT IN THEIR DREAMS. SO DISPLACEMENT, YES. 
          BUT ARE THE TENANTS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PACKAGE THAT WE EVENTUALLY SETTLED TO IN EACH CASE? MOST DEFINITELY. 
          THE BUNGALOWS WILL BE TORN DOWN. 
          AND AS MR. TUIT STATED, WE ARE MAKING AVAILABLE TO ANYONE IN THE AREA, ANY OF THESE SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS AT NO COST. 
          NOW LET'S GET TO THE MOST SERIOUS ISSUE THAT I'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY TODAY. 
          THE LEUKEMIA SCARE. 
          WHEN I WAS A KID, I WALKED TO SCHOOL WHEN MY CHILDREN WERE KIDS, AND THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. 
          I TOOK THEM TO SCHOOL. 
          AND I DARE SAY TODAY, I DON'T THINK ANY PARENT LETS THEIR KIDS WALK TO SCHOOL. 
          SO THE NOTION THAT ALL THESE KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO PERSONAL ELEMENTARY ARE GOING TO PASS IN THE DIRECTION OF THIS SERVICE STATION IS PRETTY LUDICROUS. 
          AND MORE SO TO THINK THAT ALL THE KIDS THAT GO TO PERSIAN ELEMENTARY HAVE TO COME IN THIS DIRECTION IN FRONT OF THE SERVICE STATION IS PRETTY ABSURD BECAUSE KIDS COME FROM ALL DIRECTIONS TO SCHOOL. 
          THIS IS HOW RIDICULOUS THE ORGAN IS. 
          IT PROBABLY ARE MORE CARCINOGENS IN THE AIR OF A HOUSE OF A SMOKER THAN THERE EVER WILL BE AROUND A GASOLINE STATION. 
          LOOK THAT UP. 
          BUT NO ONE, NOT A PERSON HAS MENTIONED THAT TODAY. 
          30 SECONDS. 
          FINALLY AT LEAST TALK. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT FAIR PLAY. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH LIES AND SCARE TACTICS BEING PERPETRATED OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHEN SOMEONE APPROACHES THE FATHER OF THE SELLER AND TELLS THEM THAT HIS DAUGHTER'S GONNA SELL THE PROPERTY FROM UNDER HIM, THAT SHE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO SUPPORT HIM, THAT SHE'S GONNA KICK HIM OUT IN THE STREET. 
          OKAY, THAT'S THE EPITOME OF LOW FAIR PLAY. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE NEXT DAY SARAH HAD TO TAKE HIM TO THE HOSPITAL. 
          THAT'S FOUR MINUTES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD URGE THAT YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LEANNE TINNEY, FOLLOWED BY ERICA REYES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT PERSON IS ERICA REYES. 
          STEVE VERTI. 
          MR. VERTI, YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. 
          HELLO, SORRY. 
          HI, MY NAME IS STEVE VERTI, 1 0 5 RENO STREET. 
          THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON MY FRONT PORCH. 
          UH, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OVER, UM, SAN PEDRO. 
          LOOKING TOWARD THE DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE REMOVABLE PANELS TO GET RID OF GRAFFITI DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL ANY BETTER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO GET RID OF ANY GRAFFITI RIGHT NOW. 
          MY NAME. 
          UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK, UM, THE, THE STAFF MICHAEL HECTOR AND CHRISTIE ESPECIALLY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR SERVING FOR YOUR DISTRICTS AND OUR CITY. 
          THE VIEW, UH, WE, THIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING. 
          UH, WE, THE POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS OF THE APPLICANT HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF RESPONSES, BUT VERY FEW ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS. 
          APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO DROP IN TO OUR DROP IN PROPERTY VALUE WAS COME HERE AND SPEAK. 
          AND WE ARE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO A COMPROMISE TO ALTERNATE SITE LOCATIONS AND ALTERNATE FOOTPRINTS WAS THEY, THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM. 
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THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEY DO THINGS. 
          SO THERE WAS NO ANSWER THERE FOR WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT A COMPROMISE. 
          OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S RESPONSE WAS, WE FOLLOW A PROCESS THAT IS NOT AN ANSWER AS TO WHY ABOUT 10 PROPERTY OWNERS WHO LIVE OVER 3000 FEET AWAY DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR CORNER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OUR COUNCILMAN'S COUNCIL WOMAN'S RESPONSE, UH, TO WILL YOU HELP US, WAS GET THOSE 200 FOOT ZONING LETTERS IN AND WE DID THAT. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. 
          AND THE MORE WE EDUCATE PEOPLE, THE MORE WHO ARE OPPOSED. 
          MAYBE THE NEXT TIME SHE'LL HAVE AN ANSWER. 
          THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO HEALTH SAFETY, WE FOLLOW ALL THE RULES WE'RE THE GOLD STANDARD, BUT NO REAL ANSWER, NO DATA ON THE ACTUAL AIR QUALITY PROVIDED TO DISPROVE THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. 
          MANY OF US NEIGHBORS ATTENDED THE OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS WITH TRUE PRETTY FROM QUICKTRIP SET UP. 
          SOME OF US HERE TODAY DID GET ONE ANSWER SPECIFICALLY IN REFERENCE TO THE BENZENE EMISSION EMISSIONS CONCERNS. 
          LIZ MENTIONED THIS. 
          TRUIST STATED THAT HE WOULD NOT LET HIS FAMILY LIVE NEXT TO A GAS STATION IF IT WAS ANY OTHER COMPANY THAN HIS DREW IS HERE TODAY TO REQUEST APPROVAL OF C TWO FOR ANY FUTURE LAND OWNER FOR THIS LAND USE TO ALLOW GAS STATIONS OF ALL THESE NON GOLD STANDARD COMPANIES. 
          I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER AS TO WHY THE CITY WOULD APPROVE A ZONING CHANGE, THAT EVEN THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER A POTENTIAL HAZARD TO NEIGHBORS IN THE FUTURE. 
          I REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE ANSWERS, HOWEVER, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO ANSWERS. 
          WE WANT SOME FACTS ON THIS. 
          HOW DOES THE CITY GAIN IN DOLLARS AND CENTS IN THIS ZONING CHANGE IS APPROVED? HOW DOES THAT ADD UP? HOW DOES THE ADD UP THE COST OF A LOSS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? HOW DOES THAT ADD UP TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES THAT NO FAMILY WANTS TO LIVE IN? THAT WAS EVEN ACCORDING TO THE REALTOR WHO HAS ONE OF THE GREEN CHECKS ON THAT MAP. 
          JOBS AND TAXES THAT AREN'T INCREMENTAL ARE NOT AN ANSWER TO ME. 
          THE JOBS ADDED TO THIS SITE WILL BE TAKEN AWAY WHEN PEOPLE DON'T BUY GAS AT OTHER STATIONS. 
          SHOW US THE STUDY THAT SAYS DIFFERENT. 
          DO NOT GIVE US DISMISSIVE RESPONSES. 
          SHOW US THE DATA THAT INDICATES DALLAS MADE MORE MONEY ON GAS SALES PER CAPITA AFTER QUICKTRIP THAN BEFORE. 
          QUICKTRIP. 
          CONSIDERING HOW PROUD QUICKTRIP IS OF LOWERING THE GAS PRICES ALREADY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, SEEMS LIKE THE CITY IS ALREADY LOSING OUT ON TAX DOLLARS WITH QUICKTRIP HELP. 
          THIS EXPERIENCE OF TALKING TO DISTRICT TWO ZONING DIRECTOR, DISTRICT TWO, CHIEF OF STAFF DISTRICT TWO COUNCILWOMAN IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, HAS NOT PROVIDED THE ANSWERS NEEDED FROM ELECTED OR APPOINTED GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. 
          WE DID FINALLY MEET WITH THE DISTRICT TWO ZONING COMMISSIONER WHO HAD RESPONSES WE WANTED TO HEAR UNTIL HE TOLD US HE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. 
          LEAVING US NO ANSWER FOR WHAT TO EXPECT. 
          TODAY WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES. 
          WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE MAJOR SI CHILD SAFETY RISKS. 
          WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THERO. 
          THIS IS WRONG FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL CULTURE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HERE TODAY. 
          AND HOW, HOW DOES THAT ADD UP? HOW, WHAT, WHAT THESE ANSWERS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING DO THEY REALLY OUTWEIGH ALL THIS? WHAT TIPS TO SCALE? MY WIFE NEEDS ANSWERS SO SHE CAN PROTECT HER HEART. 
          YOLANDA NEEDS ANSWERS TO KNOW IF HER KIDS WILL EVER WANT THE HOUSE SHE WAS GOING TO BE SO PROUD TO HAND DOWN. 
          DO NEEDS ANSWERS ABOUT THIS 400, 450 CARS PER HOUR. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS. 
          IT MIGHT CRASH INTO HER HOUSE. 
          CALEB NEEDS ANSWERS AS TO WHY HIS STARTER HOME MIGHT GO DOWN IN VALUE INSTEAD OF A JASMINE NEEDS ANSWERS TO PROVE THE SCHOOL WHICH SHE PLANS TO SEND HER FUTURE CHILDREN TO, WILL HAVE SAFE AIR TO DEBRIS. 
          THE ROXANNE WANTS TO PROVE HER CHILDREN CAN STILL PLAY OUTSIDE WITH THEIR DOG. 
          DUKE, WHEN SCIENTISTS SAY THERE WILL BE BENZENE THERE. 
          JOSE AND MARIA NEED ANSWERS TO PROVE THAT THEIR DAUGHTER IS SAFE TO PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD WHEN THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH STATE. 
          SHE ISN'T THAT IT'S A RISK. 
          WE DO NOT WANT, WE DO NOT WANT TO GRIEVE THE LOSS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE WANT ANSWERS. 
          LOOK US IN THE EYE AND TELL US THAT PAMPERING THE MOTORS ON I 35 IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE RESIDENTS OF PERSHING ELEMENTARY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF X AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS. 
          NOW OUR IF YOU PLANNED A MOTION FOR DENIAL, THEN THOSE ANSWERS CAN COME FROM CITY COUNCIL. 
          I HOPE THAT IS WHERE WE STAND AFTER TODAY. 
          AND WE HAVE HOPE THIS NIGHTMARE WILL END OUR WORST NIGHTMARE. 
          THAT IS WHAT, UH, MR. TOSEN, THE DISTRICT TWO COMMISSIONER HIMSELF CALLED THIS WHEN WE SPOKE TO HIM. 
          HE TOLD US HE WOULD SPEAK TO YOU CHAIR. 
          AND I AM CONFIDENT YOU HE WOULD NOT OBJECT TO A DENIAL TODAY. 
          PLEASE MOTION FOR A DENIAL TODAY. 
          BUT I KNOW THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING HERE. 
          THERE'S, THEY'RE STILL GONNA ARGUE AFTER WE DO. 
          AND I KNOW YOU HAVE OPTIONS, BUT APPROVAL CANNOT BE AN OPTION TODAY CONSIDERING OUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER IS NOT HERE TO ENSURE OUR QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED WITH SUBSTANCE AND FACTS. 
          I DO NOT WANT THIS TO CONTINUE, BUT WE NEED OUR COMMISSIONER HERE IF APPROVAL IS STILL ON THE TABLE SOMEHOW, IF SOMEHOW THINGS ARE OUTWEIGHING 30 SECONDS. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE REALLY NEED TO NOT, WE REALLY NEED YOU TO PLEASE LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS, RESIDENTS, PROPERTY OWNERS, AND CONCERNED CITIZENS. 
          WE ASK 
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FOR YOU TO MOTION AND VOTE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL, TO PROMOTE OUR HEALTH, OUR SAFETY, OUR WELFARE, AND TO PRESERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CULTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JOSE ARGA, FOLLOWED BY MARIA BLANCO. 
          JOSE ARGA, UH, I LIVE AT 25 39 NORTH INTERSTATE 35, BUT I OWN THE PROPERTY 25 43 OSO, WHICH IS WITHIN THE 200 FEET. 
          SO I'M HERE. 
          UH, ORIGINALLY I WAS OKAY WITH THE GAS STATION 'CAUSE I HEAR IT'S A REAL GOOD GAS STATION. 
          BUT MY DAUGHTER, WHICH IS SIX YEARS OLD, SHE LIVES 30 FEET FROM WHERE IT WOULD BE THE GAS STATION. 
          SHE LIVES RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE GAS STATION WOULD BE, WHICH IS, SHE'D BE FACING THE WALL OF THE GAS STATION. 
          AND THE MOTHER OF MY CHILD IS AGAINST IT BECAUSE SHE SAYS, YOU WANT PEOPLE GOING RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          THIS IS YOUR ONLY DAUGHTER. 
          UH, I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THE EFFECTS. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD DO TO THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE WHERE MY DAUGHTER LIVES PERSONALLY. 
          I LIVE ON THE ACCESS ROAD. 
          SO YEAH, I KIND OF LIKED IT IN THE BEGINNING AND I SAID, WELL, IF THAT BECOMES COMMERCIAL THEN MY HOUSE MIGHT BE COMMERCIAL. 
          ONE DAY I PAY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAXES ON ONE OF MY HOUSES, EVEN THOUGH IT'S R SIX. 
          THE CITY DOES NOT LET ME PUT SIGNAGE. 
          I DO A LITTLE TAX OFFICE OUTTA MY HOUSE, BUT I STILL PAY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TAXES AND, AND I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT AS IF IT WAS A FULL COMMERCIAL NOW TOWARDS THE GAS STATION. 
          IF THE GAS STATION WAS THERE, IT'S GONNA AFFECT MY FAMILY. 
          IT'S GONNA AFFECT ME. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          SATURDAY, I WAS IN FRONT OF MY PORCH LOOKING AT THE HIGHWAY, LOOKING AT THE CITY. 
          AND IF THE GAS STATION'S THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC 24 7 IF ANYBODY, 30 SECONDS. 
          IF ANYBODY GOES TO MY HOUSE, 25, 43, 25, UH, 39. 
          AND YOU'RE THERE IN THE MORNING, YOU SEE TRAFFIC NONSTOP AND THEY DRIVE THERE LIKE IT'S A HIGHWAY IN THE EVENINGS THERE'S TRAFFIC. 
          IF THE GAS STATION'S THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC 24 7. 
          I'M AGAINST IT. 
          UM, PRETTY MUCH THAT'S WHAT I GOTTA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M SORRY, TRUET. 
          I TOLD HIM I WAS FOR IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
           MARIA BLANCO, FOLLOWED BY CHRIS STOCKINGS. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS MARIA BLANCO. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH TO UH, TOO MUCH TO SAY, BUT, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M LIVING RIGHT THERE ON 1 0 9 RENO. 
          UH, I'M AGAINST THE GAS STATION BECAUSE I HAVE A SEVEN YEARS OLD, SORRY, NURSE. 
          AND UH, UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS ALREADY AND THAT HOUSE BELONGS TO MY DAUGHTER'S. 
          UH, MY B BOYFRIEND PARENTS WHERE THEY WERE LIVING THERE FOR 35 YEARS BEFORE ME. 
          AND SINCE I KNOW THIS, BEEN RESIDENTIAL THIS TIME ALL THESE YEARS AND THEN, UH, VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY QUIET AND I REALLY LOVE THE PLACE TO LIVE. 
          UH, MY DAUGHTER'S FATHER PROPOSED ME ONE DAY TO SELL MY HOUSE. 
          AND I WASN'T SURE. 
          AND I SAY NO, BECAUSE I LOVE TO LIVE HERE. 
          IT'S VERY QUIET. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC DURING, SEE ANYTHING IS VERY PEACEFUL. 
          AND THEN I SAID, OKAY. 
          I PUT IT ON THE MARKET FOR ONE YEAR AND AFTER ONE YEAR I REGRET IT. 
          AND I SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S GOOD THAT I DON'T PUT IT FOR CONTRACT BECAUSE NOW I DON'T WANT TO SELL MY HOUSE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SEEING, UH, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, PLACES TO LIVE TO MOVE ON. 
          AND I DIDN'T SEE THE PEACEFUL THAT I HAVE OVER THERE 'CAUSE I HAVE NO TRAFFIC GOING ON, NO TRAFFIC COMING. 
          PLUS THE STREET THAT I LIVE IN IS DEAD IN. 
          SO I'M SO HAPPY AND I REALLY DON'T WANT, 'CAUSE I HAVE MY DAUGHTER AND THAT HOUSE BE, IS BELONG TO MY DAUGHTER. 
          SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE LIVING THERE IN SOMETHING THAT ARE, I DON'T KNOW, SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN LATER. 
          SO I'M, PLEASE JUST ASK YOU TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OR OPINIONS FOR THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THAT BEING RESIDENTIAL THIS YEARS IT KEEP WITH THIS. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANNA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR FINAL SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM IS CHRIS DAWKINS. 
          CHRIS DAWKINS, UH, GEEZ. 
          CHRIS DAWKINS, 33 0 2, 
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VISTA LAKE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF. 
          UH, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF, UH, QUIKTRIP. 
          UH, I'M THE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE LAKESIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          CURRENTLY I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH BEST, BEST IS A ACRONYM FOR BEAR EAST SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          WE'RE A C D C AND SOON WILL BE AT CHOTO. 
          UM, QUIKTRIP BUILT THEIR FIRST, UH, STORE IN SAN ANTONIO PROPER AT LAKESIDE. 
          AND WE WERE LIKE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THIS ROOM, WE DID NOT WANT A GAS STATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT AFTER DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, GOING AROUND SPEAKING, TALKING, FINDING OUT THE TYPE OF ORGANIZATION THAT QUICKTRIP WAS, WE HAVE NOW BECOME ONE OF THE BIGGEST OPPONENT, UH, PROPONENTS IN FAVOR OF QUIKTRIP. 
          THEY HAVE BEEN AN EXCELLENT, UM, CORPORATE CITIZEN IN OUR AREA. 
          THEY HAVE HELPED OUR ORGANIZATION AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TREMENDOUSLY, NOT ONLY DURING THE TIME OF THE BUILDING, THEY ACQUIESCED TO ANYTHING THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL. 
          I THINK THEY'VE BEEN A, UH, AN EXCELLENT, UH, CORPORATE CITIZEN IN SAN ANTONIO PROPER. 
          THEY'VE HELPED TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS, WHICH IS BRING THE GAS PRICES DOWN, WHICH SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 30 SECONDS. 
          SO TO WRAP THIS UP, ALL I'LL SAY IS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN FAVOR. 
          WE WERE LIKE THESE CITIZENS WHO WERE HERE, WE WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT THEY HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES TO BE EXCELLENT. 
          THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE TOO LONG BEFORE THERE WON'T BE ANY GAS STATIONS. 
          ALL OF THE, UH, CAR COMPANIES ARE SWITCHING TO ELECTRIC CARS. 
          SO EVEN IF PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO GAS STATIONS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE TOO LONG BEFORE THEY'LL BE PROVIDE, BE PROVIDING ELECTRIC SERVICES. 
          AND THIS IS A COMMERCIAL AREA AND IT SHOULD ALSO BE COMMERCIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE APPLICANT. 
          LIKE, UH, FEW MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL, RIGHT? WE'LL TOUCH ON A, A FEW THAT I MANAGED TO WRITE DOWN IN BETWEEN. 
          UH, FIRST MOST IMPORTANT ONE I I THINK I WANNA KIND OF SUBMIT FOR THE RECORD WAS, UH, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW OUTSIDE OF THIS CASE, UH, REGARD F H A AND HUD. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I KNOW LAST TIME WE HAD THAT CAMERA GOING, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AT ALL. 
          UM, BUT IF NOT, YOU CAN KEEP IT. 
          AND I CAN JUST KIND OF EDUCATE. 
          THE, THE HANDBOOK HAS BEEN AMENDED. 
          BEN CARSON HAS BEEN AMENDING, UH, ALL THE H F H A HUD BOOKS, HANDBOOKS, AND SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS ANYMORE WITHIN 300 FEET, UH, FOR F H A TO INSURE ALONE. 
          SO I DID JUST WANT TO KIND OF EDUCATE ON THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THAT INFORMATION AS WELL, UM, BEING MISINFORMED, UM, FOR DRAINAGE. 
          UH, I KNOW ONE RESIDENT HAD A QUESTION ON DRAINAGE. 
          UM, FOR DRAINAGE, LOTS OF THE TIMES WE'LL DO UNDERGROUND DETENTION, UH, TO WHERE YOU DON'T SEE IT, BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THE PLATTING PROCESS, UH, THAT IS ACCOMMODATED. 
          IT WILL NOT JUST FLOW OFF THE SIDE ONTO, UH, ANY OTHER PARTY PROPERTY. 
          UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE TOO IS, IS WE'RE CALLED ANOTHER GAS STATION. 
          THERE'S 11 GAS STATIONS, UH, WITHIN ONE AND A HALF MILE. 
          AND I CAN UNDERSTAND, I, I REALLY CAN BECAUSE, UH, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO QUIKTRIP IS, AND WE, WE AREN'T JUST ANOTHER GAS STATION. 
          AND, AND SO THAT MAKES ME FEEL THAT WHETHER IT'S THIS SIDE OR SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA, YOU DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY NEED A QUICK TRIP, UH, TO KINDA LEARN THAT THIS ISN'T JUST ANOTHER GAS STATION. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF, OF CUSTOMER NUMBERS, UH, I THINK ONE HAD ASKED HOW MANY CUSTOMERS WE HAVE A DAY. 
          SINCE WE ARE A PRIVATE COMPANY, IT'S VERY PROPRIETARY TO US THAT WE DON'T GIVE OUT VOLUMES. 
          AND BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS, IF I GIVE THAT COMPETITORS CAN, UH, ESTIMATE OUR VOLUMES OF OUR STORES. 
          UM, SO ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS A GREAT COMMUNITY, ALL OF THEM UP HERE. 
          AND, UH, I I, I'VE ENJOYED A LOT OF THE TIME. 
          I REALLY HAVE, UH, A LOT OF 'EM. 
          JOSE WAS GREAT TO TALK TO. 
          A LOT OF THESE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN GREAT TO TALK TO. 
          AND, AND, UH, ULTIMATELY WE, WE, WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          WE, WE WANT TO BUILD THIS, UM, WE WANT IT REZONED. 
          UM, WE WANT TO BE IN THIS AREA. 
          UM, WE UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THE CONCERNS WHEN IT REGARDS DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, 80% OF GAS STATIONS HERE IN THIS CITY ARE WITHIN 500 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SO AS FAR AS THE CONCERNS OF, UH, ADVERSE HEALTH, UH, THERE IS NO FACTUAL DATA, FACTUAL DATA HERE IN THE US UH, TO SUPPORT THAT WHATSOEVER, 
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UM, FOR TRAFFIC AND DRIVEWAYS. 
          UH, THE T I A WILL BE BE AVAILABLE I BELIEVE THIS WEEK, SO I CAN DISTRIBUTE THAT TO ANY, ANYONE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED. 
          UM, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. 
          I'LL KIND OF LEAVE IT TO Y'ALL TO, TO POINT OUT WHAT QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE ANSWERED OR REBUTTALS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, IT, IT'S TIME FOR US TO MOVE INTO OUR, UH, DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION AND QUESTIONS. 
          BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET'S TAKE A, UH, QUICK, UH, 10 MINUTE, UH, BREAK. 
          BEFORE WE START. 
          WE'LL CALL THE, UH, MEETING BACK INTO ORDER FOR AFTER BREAK AT 3 25, UH, PM AND IN, UH, COMMISSIONER TOWSON'S ABSENCE, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE MAYOR'S APPOINTEE, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MADAM CHAIR, WITH THE, THE PERMISSION OF MY COLLEAGUES, I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW THEM TO QUESTION, MAKE QUESTIONS FIRST BEFORE I SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER TOLSON. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, COULD YOU GIMME AN IDEA OF WHERE THE, UM, UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS WILL BE LOCATED ON THIS PROPERTY? SURE. 
          I'LL TALK. 
          THERE IT GOES. 
          I ALMOST SCREAMED INTO IT. 
          UM, SO I'LL GO TO THE DARN PRETTY PICTURE OF THE BLACK AND WHITE CIVIL DRAWING. 
          UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AT 'EM, I GOT THE POINTER RIGHT HERE. 
          WE'VE PUSHED HIM TO THE HARD CORNER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE DELIVERIES FEASIBLE. 
          IF WE WERE TO PUSH 'EM ANY FURTHER, UH, TOWARDS THE FRONTAGE THERE, THERE WOULD BE A C P S EASEMENT HERE IN THE EVENT THAT WE DEVELOPED HERE. 
          UM, SO WE PUSHED 'EM AS CLOSE TO THAT EASEMENT AS WE COULD, UM, WITH A DELIVERY TRUCK, STILL ABLE, UH, TO MAKE THAT RADIUS TURN AFTER DELIVERY. 
          SO THEY'RE ALONG THE HARD SECTION OF THE HIGHWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATE DISTANCE FROM ANY OF THE HOMES? YEAH, SURE. 
          UM, UH, IN THE ONES, UH, TO THE WEST, I BELIEVE. 
          SO IT WOULD BE ACROSS, UM, THE STREET THERE AND THEN ALSO THE ONES TO THE NORTH. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO I'LL START, UH, HERE AND THEN I'LL WORK MY WAY AROUND. 
          SO I'LL START GOING TO THE NORTH. 
          SO FROM THE TANKS, THE EDGE TANK, UH, TO THE HOMES BE THESE TWO, IT WOULD BE 363 FEET TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE FROM THE EDGE OF TANK. 
          UM, FOR THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST FROM HERE TO THERE WOULD BE 173 FEET APPROXIMATELY. 
          UM, AND THEN AS YOU GO ON A RADIUS OF 300 FEET, WHICH I DON'T HAVE IT DRAWN ON THIS, SO I CAN'T DRAW IT VERY WELL, BUT 300 FEET IS RIGHT THERE. 
          SO IT'D GO ABOUT IN A DIRECTION APPROXIMATE OF WHAT I JUST DREW OUT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          UM, AND THEN HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? UM, YEAH, YEAH, THE TANKS SPECIFICALLY. 
          OH, THE TANKS. 
          WELL, WELL OUR PROPERTY LINE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS 425 FEET. 
          LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, WHEN I SAID THE 900 FEET, I WAS SPEAKING TO THE PLAYGROUNDS EARLIER. 
          UM, SO 425, I'M GONNA TAKE THIS DIMENSION AND SAY, UH, THIS IS USUALLY 45 FEET, LET ME LOOK AT THIS. 
          IT'S 40. 
          WE HAVE A 32 BUFFERS, THAT'S GONNA BE 72, UH, PLUS APPROXIMATELY, LET'S SAY ANOTHER 60. 
          SO A HUNDRED, WE'LL JUST SAY, WE'LL JUST CALL IT 120 FOR GOOD. 
          SO 640, 50 FEET APPROXIMATELY. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND DID QUICKTRIP PERFORM A MARKET STUDY, UM, PRE, PRIOR TO PUTTING THIS PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT? AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU KIND OF EXPAND ON, UH, MARKET STUDY? SO BASICALLY, DID YOU LOOK AT THE AREA AND, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD EARLIER FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, THERE'S A, APPARENTLY A LOT OF GAS STATIONS. 
          SO WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN INTO EFFECT WHEN YOU GUYS KIND OF ABSOLUTELY. 
          THIS PROPERTY? FOR US, FOR THIS PROPERTY, IT WAS ACTUALLY OPPOSITE. 
          WE SAW THIS PROPERTY AS SUCH A LACK OF COMPETITION, UH, BECAUSE YEAH, THERE MAY BE GAS STATIONS, BUT AS FAR AS AN OFFER LIKE OURS, THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE WHATSOEVER FOR ANYBODY TO SHOP. 
          BUT YES, WE, WE DID DO A FULL MARKET STUDY OUT HERE. 
          UH, PRIOR TO US EVEN NEGOTIATING CONTRACTS. 
          WE USUALLY SPEND ABOUT SIX MONTHS ON A SITE INTERNALLY, UH, WHERE IT'S ME OUT THERE WORKING IT UP, AND I RIDE WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE ABOVE ME TO WHERE WE'RE OUT 
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THERE, UH, LOOKING, LOOKING AROUND, REALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE SITE BEFORE WE EVEN PLACE IT UNDER CONTRACT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          UM, AND SO I, I KNOW THAT YOU OPERATE SEVERAL OTHER GAS STATIONS HERE IN TOWN. 
          UM, ONE OF IS ON MY WAY HOME ON SAN PEDRO. 
          I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH, UM, LOITERING OR CRIME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT ANY OF YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS? UH, AT THE SAN PEDRO ONE, WE DO HAVE A, UH, ARMED GUARD THERE. 
          UM, WE ARE NEW TO THE AREA, SO WE DON'T KNOW THE AREAS THAT WELL, SO WE DECIDED FOR THAT LOCATION TO DO THAT. 
          BUT SO FAR WE HAVE NOT HAD ISSUES WITH CRIME HERE IN THE SAN ANTONIO MARKET. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANKS FOR LOITERING TOO. 
          I'M, I'M SO SORRY I DIDN'T ANSWER THE LOITERING QUESTION. 
          THE LOITERING, NO. 
          LIKE, LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE VERY HIGHLY TRAINED, SO THEY DO NOT LOITER. 
          THAT'S ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE, EVEN WHERE THERE ARE HIGH FOOT TRAFFIC AREAS, WE CAN'T HELP THE FOOT TRAFFIC THAT ALREADY EXISTS UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDORS WHERE THAT MAY BE. 
          BUT WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS THEY'RE NEVER HANGING OUT ON THE QUICKTRIP PARKING LOT. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS VERY MUCH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, UH, YES, FOR THE APPLICANT, FOR ME, THE ISSUE OF YOUR SECURITY AND THE SAFE PLACE FOR CHILDREN IS VERY INTRIGUING. 
          UM, AND I'D LIKE YOU TO EXPOUND ON THAT, BUT BEFORE YOU DO, I'M GONNA PUT THIS A LITTLE BIT TO BED FOR MYSELF ON THE BENZENE IDEA, UM, I HAVEN'T NOTICED, BUT IF I GO TO A SERVICE STATION TODAY, ARE THERE WARNING SIGNS ON TANKS ABOUT BENZENE EXPOSURE? OR MAYBE IF YOU'RE, I, I KNOW THERE'S MANDATORY LABELS THAT ARE ON GAS DISPENSERS. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING OF BENZENE. 
          I'M NOT QUITE CERTAIN. 
          I DO HAVE WITH ME MY DIRECTOR OF REAL ESTATE AND PROJECT MANAGER, SO I MIGHT RELY ON THEM. 
          SHAKE YOUR HEAD YES OR NO, IF YOU KNOW THE EXACT, SO I DON'T THINK SO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND MAYBE FOR YOU OR NOT, HOW, HOW MUCH DOES T C E Q, WHICH IS AN EXTRAORDINARY, UM, ORGANIZATION AND GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, HOW SERIOUSLY DO THEY LOOK AT THE BENZENE? HOW SERIOUSLY DO THEY LOOK AT THE BENZENE? I MEAN, BETWEEN THEM AND THE E P A, THEY'RE REGULATING HOW WE BUILD GAS STATIONS AND EVERYTHING WE PUT INTO PLACE. 
          SO IT IS UNDER SCRUTINY WITH THEM. 
          SO TO, TO SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CAUSE, YOU KNOW, BENZENE LEVELS TO CAUSE LEUKEMIA IS REALLY AN, AN INSULT TO T C E Q AND E AND THE E P A BECAUSE THIS, THAT'S THEIR JOB IS TO TELL US HOW TO REGULATE. 
          AND THEY, THEY ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT IT VERY SERIOUSLY. 
          WELL, MY GENERAL QUESTION, NO ONE HAS TO ANSWER THIS, WOULD BE TO YOU IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DO NOT GET GAS AT A GASOLINE STATION? WE DO. 
          UM, SO I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE YOU EXPOUND ON THE SAFE PLACE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND THE SECURITY THAT THE QT PROVIDES IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER SERVICE STATIONS LIKE THIS THAT YOU SEEM TO THINK YOU'RE MORE UNIQUE AND ABOVE ON THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THE SAFE PLACE IS, UH, I, I THINK I TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE. 
          SO IT WAS, UH, UH, I THINK IT WAS IN THE NINETIES WHENEVER, UH, WHICH I WASN'T AROUND YET. 
          I CAME AROUND IN 2004 WITH THE COMPANY. 
          UM, IN THE NINETIES, UH, THERE WERE MANY KIDS THAT WOULD COME IN THAT WERE EITHER, UH, BATTERED OR THEY NEEDED A PLACE TO, FOR SHELTER, THEY NEEDED FOOD, UH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO THEN WE PARTNERED WITH A SAFE PLACE. 
          AND, UH, EVER SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE POST THE SIGNS, THE MEDIA REALLY CATCHES ON ONCE WE GO TO NEW MARKETS AND ADVERTISE IT TO WHERE PEOPLE LEARN PRETTY QUICKLY ABOUT WHAT SAFE PLACE IS. 
          PLUS IT'S A VERY, UH, PECULIAR YOU'RE SIGN TO WHERE YOU'RE CURIOUS ONCE YOU SEE YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT IS SAFE PLACE? SO PEOPLE LOOK IT UP AS WELL. 
          UM, AND LAST YEAR ALONE, IT WAS OVER 600 USE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HELP THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND IN REGARDS TO SECURITY AT OUR DEVELOPMENTS, UM, IT'S A MINIMUM OF 24 CAMERAS. 
          WE COVER EVERY, EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE LOT. 
          WE EVEN HIRED A, A, A VETERAN COLONEL, UM, THAT DID VERY, UH, COVERT JOBS, UH, TO WORK FOR US CORPORATELY. 
          AND HE'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND HE'S, WHO DESIGNED OUR SECURITY SYSTEMS IN PLACE. 
          SO NOT ONLY WILL WE HAVE AN ARMED GUARD AT NIGHT, BUT EVENTUALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR OTHER MARKETS IS WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING QUICK TRIP IN EMPLOYEES, BE THE ARMED GUARD. 
          SO WE'RE HIRING, UH, RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS, UH, PEOPLE OF THAT NATURE, AND THEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUICKTRIP EMPLOYEES SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE OF OUR MONEY, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER THERE'S NOTHING TO, UH, FACILITATE, THEY CAN MOP THE FLOORS OR, UH, STOCK THE SHELVES. 
          UM, BUT YES, WE, WE DO IT MUCH DIFFERENTLY. 
          AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, ALL OF OUR CUST, UH, I'M SORRY, NOT CUSTOMERS, EMPLOYEES, UH, WEAR A VERY INTRICATE BODY, UH, KIND OF PAGER TO WHERE IF THEY'RE EVER IN NEED OF ASSISTANCE, IT KNOWS THEIR LOCATION AT ALL TIMES. 
          UH, WE'RE EVENTUALLY GONNA ROLL OUT ONE TO WHERE IT HAS THEIR VITALS ON IT, EVERYTHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO WE TAKE OUR EMPLOYEES VERY SERIOUSLY. 
          WHAT OUR OWNERS 
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ALWAYS SAID IS IT, IF I WOULDN'T ALLOW MY DAUGHTER TO WORK AT THE STORE, THEN WE'RE NOT BUILDING IT. 
          AND SO, UH, ON TOP OF THAT, EVEN THOUGH, UM, WE WOULD ALL ALLOW OUR DAUGHTER TO WORK AT THIS STORE, UM, IS IT WE WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE SAFE. 
          WE WANT OUR CUSTOMERS TO BE SAFE. 
          SO WE TAKE IT NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          SO IF I HAD AN EMERGENCY, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE I'D WANNA RUN TO, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT STAFF ALREADY TRAINED ON SAFETY PROTOCOLS, IT SOUNDS, SOUNDS LIKE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO WHAT DO, WHAT, HOW WOULD YOU SAY IS THE, UM, THE CRIME AT YOUR STORES COMPARED TO MAYBE OTHER, COMPARED TO MAYBE OTHER TYPE STORES? DO YOU HAVE DATA ON THAT OR? I, I WILL SAY THAT QUICKTRIP IS THE LAST PLACE YOU WANT TO COMMIT A CRIME. 
          UH, WE PARTNER WITH THE, UH, LOCAL PDS IN EVERY CITY. 
          UM, SO SOMETIMES IT, IT CAN BE, UH, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT? IT CAN BE, UH, FORTUNATE AND UNFORTUNATE AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE HOPE OUT SO MUCH, BECAUSE THEN WHEN WE TURN IT ALL OVER, YOU SEE QUICKTRIP NAME ASSOCIATE WITH IT. 
          BUT, UH, I WILL SAY QUICKTRIP IS THE LAST PLACE THAT YOU WANT TO PERFORM A CRIME BECAUSE OF ALL OUR, UH, CAMERAS AND DATA AND STORAGE. 
          UM, AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PRIMARY CRIME THAT DOES HAPPEN, AND THE REASON WE TURN OVER SO MUCH VIDEOS, THE FIRST THING SOMEBODY DOES WHENEVER THEY STEAL A PURSE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, TYPICALLY THEY WANNA FILL UP THEIR TANK. 
          UM, AND SO THEY TRY NOT TO, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY LEARN ABOUT QUICKTRIP, THEY TYPICALLY DON'T COME TO US, THEY'RE HITTING OTHER STATIONS. 
          BUT IF THEY DO, WE HAVE THE CAMERAS AND DATA TO TURN IT OVER. 
          BUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE, UH, I, I COULD PROVIDE DATA FOR, YOU KNOW, THE CRIME COMPARED TO A QUICKTRIP TO OTHERS. 
          I, I HAVEN'T PULLED THE CRIME REPORTS FOR THE, UH, COMPETITORS AT THIS LOCATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY, UH, COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          SO, UH, STAND THE, UM, LOCATION, YOUR PROPOSED LOCATION'S A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM PERSHING, UM, UM, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          HAVE YOU HAD ANY DIRECT CONCERNS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE SCHOOL ABOUT YOUR, UH, YOUR SIGHTING? I HAVE NOT. 
          I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM, UM, ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS AND I HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED A RESPONSE BACK. 
          ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT YOUR SIGHTING? NONE. 
          SO, UH, IN EARLY IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU TALKED ABOUT QUICKTRIP, UH, CONTRIBUTING BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S LIKE, WHAT, UH, SO 5% OF OUR PROFITS? YES, SIR. 
          5%. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, THE, I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS. 
          UH, FIRST ONE'S FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, HAVE, IS THERE, OR, OR LEMME SEE. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIND THE BEST WAY TO PHRASE THIS. 
          UM, HOW OFTEN HAVE QUICK TRIPS CLOSED? HAVE THERE BEEN ANY IN TEXAS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY CLOSED LOCATIONS? UH, I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE IN TEXAS THAT WE'VE RELOCATED. 
          UM, AS FAR AS QUICK TRIP CLOSING, IT IS RARE. 
          UM, VERY RARE. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN IN MARKETS WHERE WE'VE BEEN AROUND 50 YEARS, OVER 50 YEARS. 
          UM, SO PRIMARILY WHENEVER, IF YOU DO HEAR OF A QUICK TRIP CLOSING, IT'S ACTUALLY A RELOCATION OR A SCRAPE TO WHERE THAT STORE IS 20 TO 25 YEARS OLD. 
          WE WANNA BUILD OUR NEW MODEL. 
          SO WE'RE EITHER SCRAPING IT, IF THERE'S ANOTHER PRO, UH, ENOUGH PROPERTY THERE TO BUILD OUR NEW C-STORE OR WE'RE RELOCATING IT. 
          AND LET, LET ME EXPAND ON THAT AS WELL. 
          WE, WE DON'T JUST CLOSE DOWN. 
          WE'RE VERY, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON REAL ESTATE. 
          WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON, UH, OUR SITE SELECTION. 
          WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE, UM, AROUND THE COMMUNITY, UH, WHERE OUR STORES ARE, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF A CATALYST FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          A LOT OF REAL ESTATE FOLLOWS US AS FAR AS RETAIL USERS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT WHENEVER WE CHOOSE A SITE AND, UM, IN THE EVENTS, LET, LET'S JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY, UM, ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS TODAY, QUIKTRIP DOESN'T HIT THEIR NUMBERS. 
          THEY'LL, UH, JUST LEAVE, YOU KNOW, AND SELL TO A DIFFERENT GAS STATION THAT'S NOT QUIKTRIP ANYMORE. 
          UH, WE DON'T FRANCHISE AT ALL SINCE WE'RE A PRIVATE COMPANY AND WE DON'T SELL TO COMPETITORS. 
          AND WHENEVER WE DO LEAVE A SITE, UM, WE REQUIRE THAT WE PULL ALL THE TANKS, WE REMEDIATE ANYTHING ENVIRONMENTAL, WE PULL THE CANOPY AND EVERYTHING. 
          UM, SO ALL THAT WOULD BE LEFT IS, UH, THE BUILDING. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          AND THEN I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE LAKESIDE REPRESENTATIVE, ACTUALLY. 
          AND, UM, DO YOU KNOW, UH, SO THE, SO THE QUICKTRIP THAT'S OVER THERE, THAT'S AT THE ENTRANCE TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DO YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE BETWEEN FROM, SAY THAT, UM, QUICK TRIP TO THE NEAREST HOME? OR IS IT, I MEAN, IS IT LIKE, IS IT, IS IT RELATIVELY CLOSE OR IS THERE, IS THERE A WE HAVE PEOPLE WALKING TO THE QUICK TRIP. 
          UM, I'M NOT GOOD WITH NUMBERS 
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AS FAR AS WHAT THE DISTANCE IS. 
          IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO OUR PARK. 
          SO, UH, PEOPLE CONSTANTLY ARE WALKING TO THE QUICK TRIP. 
          IT HAS CREATED A NEW TYPE OF PLACE TO GO. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, THANKS. 
          THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER ROMERO? I HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          AND THIS IS JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT MATTERS IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AS COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR COMING FROM THE HIGHWAY. 
          AND I'M NOTICING THAT ON SOME OF OUR MATERIAL, THEY'RE GIVING THE ADDRESS AS WALTERS AND I 35 AND THEN ON SOME OF OUR MATERIAL WE'RE GETTING THE RENO STREET ADDRESS. 
          I'M CURIOUS WHY IT'S DIFFERENT DEPENDING WHERE YOU LOOK. 
          YEAH, WELL THERE, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S MAYBE EIGHT OR NINE PLOTTED LOTS. 
          UM, IT WAS REALLY JUST A MATTER OF, WE HAVE, WHEN WE GET IT IN OUR SYSTEM, WE HAVE EIGHT OR NINE ADDRESSES ACTUALLY. 
          AND SOMETIMES IT'S MORE LEGIBLE TO, UH, ANYONE TRYING TO ACCESS MATERIAL IF WE, UH, SIMPLIFY THE ADDRESSES FROM NINE TO ONE OR TWO ADDRESSES. 
          SO THAT'S ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE. 
          JUST GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT POSSIBILITIES OF RELOCATING AND WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU LEAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN YOU TELL US IN TEXAS HOW MANY OF THIS MIGHT PARTICULARLY HAVE HAPPENED? UH, WE HAVE OVER 150 STORES IN DALLAS-FORT WORTH AND WE RELOCATED 1 2 2 IN DALLAS-FORT WORTH. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1999. 
          SO OVER 20 YEARS. 
          UM, I WANNA JUST ASK AGAIN ABOUT IF YOU CAN TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT THE, THE TENANTS THAT WILL BE DISPLACED. 
          SO WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF THEM AND YES, MA'AM. 
          AND JUST TO REITERATE, I THINK YOU SAID EARLIER THERE ARE EIGHT TENANTS, CORRECT. 
          AND SEVEN OF THOSE HAD SIGNED OFF AGREEING TO DO THIS AND ONE IS ON THE FENCE. 
          YEAH, WELL, WELL THEY ALL SIGNED OFF. 
          I JUST WANNA BE REALLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY SIGN SUPPORT LETTERS AND SITTING WITH ONE OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, SHE IS CONTENT. 
          SO I SAID TO HER, LET'S, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY SUPPORT. 
          WE CAN JUST SAY YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS GOING ON, YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IF IT PASSES THROUGH OR IF IT DOESN'T. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I JUST WANNA BE TRANSPARENT IN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DISCUSSION. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, THIS IS REALLY A DIFFICULT CASE FOR ME, BUT TODAY I ALSO HAVE TO WEAR THE DISTRICT TWO HAT. 
          AND, UH, FROM A BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON HIS CASES, SINCE HE WAS NOT GONNA BE HERE TODAY, UM, HE INFORMED ME THAT HE WOULD BE LEANING TOWARD DENIAL. 
          SO IN FOLLOWING WITH, UH, HIS PREFERENCE FOR HIS DISTRICT, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL ON THIS CASE. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, DENIAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY, UH, DISCUSSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UH, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE NEIGHBORS FOR COMING OUT. 
          I WANTED TO THANK MR. DAVIS. 
          I WISH YOU COULD HAVE TALKED EVEN LONGER 'CAUSE EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS ALWAYS REALLY HELPFUL. 
          UM, I DID GO OUT TO THE AREA LAST FRIDAY AND, UM, I, FOR ME, THIS IS SIMPLE. 
          WE COULD TALK ABOUT BENZENE AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE, UH, THIS IS SO SIMPLE FOR ME. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, UH, C TWO SHOULD BE, UH, COMING INTO THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I FELT THAT WAY BEFORE, BUT I, YOU CAN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL YOU'RE IN IT. 
          UH, I WAS, I WAS OUT PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE FOR A WHILE ON FRIDAY. 
          NOT YOUR HOUSE, LIZ. 
          NO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, . 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY 'CAUSE I REALLY DID NEED GAS AND THERE THERE IS A LOT OF GAS STATIONS. 
          THEY'RE NOT VERY NICE. 
          I'M SURE THIS WILL BE A NICER GAS STATION, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS A QUALITY PRODUCT AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR, BUT FOR ME, THIS JUST COMES DOWN TO C TWO, NEXT TO R SIX. 
          AND WHEN YOU GO THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE R SIX IS, IS A FUNCTIONING, ORGANIC, HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, SO TO ME, UM, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND I WON'T BE, AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
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I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT MY INITIAL POINT WAS GONNA BE. 
          NO, UM, I, I I, I DO BELIEVE QUICKTRIP HAS REALLY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND. 
          I MEAN, I, I, THE SITE PLAN HAS RESPONDED TO CONCERNS. 
          THE, UM, UH, I WATCHED THE, THE ONE ON SAN PEDRO, YOU KNOW, BE BUILT. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A QUALITY PRODUCT. 
          I THINK IT'S A, A QUALITY ORGANIZATION AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH QUICKTRIP. 
          IT, IT HAS AS, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO SAID IT'S THE INTRODUCTION OF, OF C TWO, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IF, IF, IF, IF THIS WAS C TWO THAT JUST WENT TO JIM STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'D BE FINE. 
          IT'S JUST THAT IT'S SO HUGE. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE NUMBERS THAT THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY, UM, HELPED ME, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, COME TO THE DECISION OR FINALIZED MY DECISION WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE NATURE OF, OF THE SIZE OF IT COMPARED TO THE SCHOOL, THE SIZE OF IT COMPARED TO THE PARK. 
          IT, IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT'S A GREAT PRODUCT. 
          IT'S JUST TOO BIG FOR THIS, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, AND, UM, IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO HOMES. 
          AND, UM, I DO KNOW THE LAKESIDE ONE, UH, GOING OUT THERE TO VISIT MY SISTER-IN-LAW. 
          SO IT'S LIKE 800 FEET OR SOMETHING FROM THE NEAREST HOME TO THE LAKESIDE, UH, QUICK TRIP THERE, THERE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, A LOT FARTHER AWAY, WHEREAS HERE IT'S 800 FEET AND YOU ARE TO, YOU'RE PAST THE SCHOOL AND TO THE PARK. 
          UM, AND SO I, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. 
          YES. 
          SO, UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, I THINK THIS CASE IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. 
          UM, I THINK I CAME IN HERE TODAY, UM, REALLY THINKING THAT, THAT I WAS GONNA SUPPORT THIS FAIRLY EASILY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING OUT AND SPEAKING AND VOICING THEIR CONCERNS. 
          UM, I'M GONNA KIND OF WALK THROUGH LIKE SOME OF MY ANALYSIS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT WHILE I'M, WHILE I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS DECISION. 
          UM, SO HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE IS A, IS A BIG PART OF, OF WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US SITTING UP HERE. 
          UM, I'M NOT A SCIENTIST. 
          MAYBE SOME OTHER FOLKS UP HERE ARE, BUT, BUT I DO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH. 
          UM, SO LOOKING AT THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FROM SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE APPLICABLE OR NOT, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND I'VE, I'VE ACTUALLY LIVED ABROAD, SO, UM, VERY DIFFERENT. 
          UH, THE STANDARDS ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN OTHER COUNTRIES VERSUS HERE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THOSE STUDIES ARE REALLY APPLICABLE. 
          AND I MUCH LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER ROMERO SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD EVEN REALLY BE, IT'S SHOULDN'T BE UP TO US. 
          WE'RE NOT EXPERTS ON THAT, SO WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THAT. 
          UM, WHILE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE IS SOMETHING WE DO LOOK AT, I THINK GOING TO THAT LEVEL IS REALLY OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. 
          UM, UM, AND AS, AS TO LOCATIONS OF, OF GAS STATIONS BEING NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF IT IN, IN OUR CITY, A LOT. 
          I LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GAS STATION AT HILDEBRAND AND MCCULLOUGH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, FEW FULL SERVICE STATIONS THAT'S STILL REMAINING IN THE CITY. 
          I LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT WITHOUT EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE BENZENE OR, OR ANYTHING. 
          AND HOW MANY PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN OUR CITY LIVE NEXT TO GAS STATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE I'M KIND OF THINKING ABOUT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE, I'M RELYING ON THE CITY TO TELL ME IF THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF A BUFFER. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I'M KIND OF GRAPPLING WITH UP HERE. 
          UM, SOME OTHER POINTS THAT I KINDA WANTED TO MAKE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO ADVERSE EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST PURCHASED THE HOUSE, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE LOAN SITUATION, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY 300 FEET FROM THE STORAGE TANK IF IT'S AN ABOVE GROUND STORAGE TANK. 
          SO YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY, EVEN, EVEN IF, UH, THEY DID GO IN. 
          SO, UM, I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE THAT, THAT THAT'S A, SOMETHING THAT, THAT I SHOULD BE CONSIDERING. 
          BUT THERE ARE OTHER AREAS AROUND, THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AFFECTED. 
          AND ONE OF THEM WAS A ZONING CASE THAT WE DECIDED MAYBE TWO 
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OR THREE MONTHS AGO, AND WE DECIDED TO KEEP THAT PROPERTY RESIDENTIAL, UM, BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THAT AREA. 
          SO, UM, THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE AN IMPORTANT FACTOR THAT I SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS A, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LOCATED ALONG 35, THAT IS VERY RESIDENTIAL AND, AND WE'VE KIND OF, UM, WE'VE DECIDED IN PREVIOUS CASES TO KEEP THAT AREA RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER COMPLICATING FACTOR. 
          UM, FOR ME PERSONALLY, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS, IS THE, THE FACT THAT WE ARE DEMOLISHING, UM, EIGHT UNITS THAT ARE LIKELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE RENTALS ARE ON THOSE. 
          UM, SO I'M MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN FOR ME. 
          I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT QUICKTRIP IS DOING, UM, IS MAKING EFFORTS TO HELP THOSE RESIDENTS. 
          BUT, UH, MUCH TO THE GENTLEMAN'S, UH, POINT, WE ARE, THOSE, THOSE HOUSING UNITS ARE NOT COMING BACK IN THAT SAME FORM. 
          THEY'RE COMING BACK IN THE FORM OF URBAN SPRAWL AND MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSES LOCATED, UM, FAR AWAY. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO TRAFFIC AND, AND OTHER ISSUES. 
          SO KEEPING THAT HOUSING STOCK, I THINK IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT FACTOR TO CONSIDER FOR OUR, FOR OUR CITY. 
          UM, AND FINALLY, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SIPES, UH, AS WITH RESPECT TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO I, I DO THINK THAT THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, IS BIG FOR, FOR THIS AND, AND IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER LOTS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS MAYBE TOO BIG. 
          SO, I KNOW I'VE KIND OF TALKED IN SOME CIRCLES AND, AND I'M USUALLY MORE ORGANIZED THAN THIS, BUT THIS CASE HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT FOR ME, AND, AND I'M LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, YOU, COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IN, I THINK, UH, QUICKTRIP IS A GOOD, UH, CORPORATE, UM, PARTNER. 
          UM, THEY DO OFFER A GOOD PRODUCT, BUT ALSO THINK THAT NOT HAVING THAT TRANSITION FROM AN R SIX DIRECTLY TO A C TWO, IT'S PRETTY ABRUPT AND YOUR PROPERTY IS HUGE WHEN COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MY, UM, THEIR COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN ON THIS, AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING A, UH, DENIAL AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS OR, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH. 
          YEAH, I REALLY COMMEND, UH, QT FOR THEIR CORPORATE, UH, CITIZENSHIP AS WELL AS ALL THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          UM, GENERALLY I, UH, I GO BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS TO HOW THEY ACCEPT THE NEW, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT COMING AMONGST THEM. 
          HERE WE HAVE, UH, TRUE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE WITHIN FEW HUNDRED FEET HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, TOOK TIME TO COME OUT HERE AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS. 
          SO, UH, AND ALSO FROM MY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, UH, I AM, UH, LEANING TOWARDS THE SUPPORTING THE, UH, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT COMMISSIONER BUSMAN AND HOW HE'S GONNA VOTE, BUT I WON'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION, UM, FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND I AM VERY ACTIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I LIVE IN, AND I COUNTED HOW MANY GARAGES WERE AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK WE HAD NINE GR GAS STATIONS. 
          I THINK WE HAD NINE. 
          UM, ONE OF 'EM I LIKE TO LEAVE BECAUSE THEY KEEP SELLING, UM, LETTING PEOPLE SELL DRUGS AND WHATEVER THERE. 
          SO THAT ONE I'D LIKE TO LEAVE. 
          UM, TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD, A CORPORATE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS IS, IS ENORMOUS. 
          AND IN FACT, WE ARE GONNA QT NEAR US AND I'M VERY, VERY GRATEFUL FOR IT. 
          BUT IT'S ENORMOUS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T SUB EXIST ON JUST YOUR HOUSING ALONE. 
          YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORS AS WELL, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOOD ONES TO HELP YOU GROW AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK. 
          UM, SO THE, THE IDEA OF HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA GIVE BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS HUGE TO ME. 
          AND THEY, AND THEY'VE MENTIONED THOSE ENLISTED THOSE, AND I WISH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE, WE JUST GET SO MANY, SO MANY OF YOU COME FROM GOVERNMENT HILL. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SOMETIMES IT, YOU, YOU'RE ALWAYS AGAINST PROGRESS. 
          YOU'RE ALWAYS AGAINST ANYONE DEVELOPING AND BUILDING. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PEARL GOT BUILT OVER THERE. 
          SOMETIMES I'VE GONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T FEEL SAFE. 
          I, I LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR HOUSES AND I DON'T REALLY FEEL VERY SAFE OVER THERE, SO I DON'T GO OVER THERE VERY OFTEN. 
          NOW THAT QTS THERE, I KNOW I 
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CAN STOP AT A SAFE PLACE. 
          UM, IF THEY GET IN AND WE ARE ADVISORY, WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD, SO CITY COUNCIL COULD GO, OTHERWISE, YOU'RE GETTING A GOVERNMENT HILL WELCOMING SIGN, 5% PROFIT GOES BACK TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE LAKESIDE IS HERE TO TELL YOU WHAT A GREAT CORPORATE NEIGHBOR THEY ARE, HOW THEY WILL PROTECT YOU, HOW THEY WILL ASSIST YOU, HOW THEY WILL ADD TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S HUGE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE ALL KNOW IT'S HUGE BECAUSE HOW MANY OF US GO ON NEXT DOOR, AND I BET YOU GET THE SAME NEXT DOOR POSTS THAT WE GET IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I HEARD SOUNDS TODAY, I THINK IT WAS A GUNSHOT. 
          I I BET EVERYBODY GETS THAT POST. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR, A COMMERCIAL NEIGHBOR THAT'S GONNA COME IN HERE AND HELP YOU WITH SECURITY, HELP YOU BE PROTECTED, HELP YOUR CHILDREN HAVE A SAFE PLACE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT RIGHT THERE. 
          UNLESS Y'ALL ARE GONNA PITCH IN AND BUILD A HOUSE THERE. 
          SO YOU HAVE ALL THOSE THINGS AND THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. 
          MAYBE YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          UM, THIS SITE ORIGINALLY WAS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL. 
          AND I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO WONDER IF WE REVERSED IT. 
          IF RIGHT NOW THIS SITE WAS COMMERCIAL AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR RESIDENTIAL, WOULD WE APPROVE IT UP HERE? WELL, MAYBE WE WOULD. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THAT YOU HAVE JUST AS MUCH POLLUTION SITTING IN YOUR GARAGE OF BENZENE JUST AS MUCH POLLUTION, UH, IN THE BUSES THAT GO BY. 
          ARE THOSE BUSES, HAVE THEY EVER, UH, PARTICIPATED IN ONE OF THE TEXAS CLEAN BUS PROGRAMS THAT T C E Q OFFERS? DO WE KNOW THAT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          GOOD QUESTION TO ASK. 
          MAYBE WE WANNA GO AN ACTIVIST ON THAT. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, THE TENANTS ARE IN FULL SUPPORT. 
          YOU HAVE GREAT, YOU'RE GONNA BRING AN ECONOMIC PACKAGE TO THE AREA OF 20 PLUS JOBS. 
          THAT'S HUGE. 
          I ALSO THINK AS FAR AS DISPLACING HOMES, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THIS COMMISSION ZONING COMMISSION HAS DENIED REQUESTS OF ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPE UNITS. 
          SO I DON'T GO WITH THAT ARGUMENT. 
          BUT SINCE I'M THE LOAN, PROBABLY VOTE HERE TO SUPPORT QT. 
          AND WE ARE ADVISORY. 
          I WISH YOU WELL OVER IN CITY COUNCIL AND I'LL PASS ON MY VOTE TO MY CITY COUNCILMAN. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF RANT AND VENT LIKE THAT. 
          AND I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU'ALL FOR COMING. 
          'CAUSE I LOVE ACTIVISM IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO THANK YOU'ALL FOR COMING. 
          THANK, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BUSER MONTE. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          SO I, I DO THINK THIS IS TREMENDOUSLY CLOSE AND, AND IT'S CLOSE BECAUSE OF AN ACCIDENT OF HISTORY. 
          IT'S CLOSE BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED PUTTING IN THE HIGHWAY SYSTEMS, WE CUT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE GOVERNMENT HILL. 
          AND THERE DOES SEEM TO BE, FOR LACK, SOME DIVISION BETWEEN THE EAST AND WEST SIDE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WALTERS AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS AN INTERESTING POINT RAISED BY COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THIS FROM C TWO TO R SIX, I DON'T THINK I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE I THINK GIVEN THAT KIND OF INTERSECTION, THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR C TWO. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION WE HAVE HERE, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          AND I THINK EVENTUALLY A LOT OF THAT AREA ALONG, EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET, AND IT'S BEEN 50 PLUS YEARS, BUT ALONG A LOT OF THAT AREA ALONG 35 IN GOVERNMENT HILL FACING 35, AND THAT INTERSECTION AT WALTERS AND 35 IN PARTICULAR WILL EVENTUALLY BE C TWO. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. 
          AND SO, LIKE COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I HAVEN'T QUITE COMMITTED MYSELF 'CAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME GREAT THINGS THAT Q TWO QT WOULD DO AT THIS SITE. 
          UM, BUT GIVEN THE RESIDENTS WHO CAME OUT, GIVEN THE STATUS QUO THAT WE HAVE THERE IN OUR SIX, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SUPPORT THE C TWO HERE. 
          AND ONE OTHER POINT THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE BROUGHT UP THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS IF WE'RE GONNA TREAT GAS STATIONS LIKE THIS, ONE THING I HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL DO, MAYBE WE'LL ADVISE ON THIS LATER, IS TO REMOVE THAT FROM C TWO GENERALLY. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS SIMPLY A C TWO USE. 
          AND IF THERE HAS TO BE AN SS MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY. 
          SO I'VE GOTTA SAY I'M LEANING TOWARDS SUPPORT. 
          I DID NOT EXPECT THAT LIKE COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WHEN I CAME IN, UM, TODAY. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          I THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, FIRST DEFINITELY, UM, VERY, UM, HAPPY TO SEE, 
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UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARTICIPATION. 
          UM, IT REALLY, UH, MEANS A LOT. 
          UM, I'D ALSO, UM, LIKE TO SAY THAT I, UM, HAVE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH, UH, QUICKTRIP AND, UM, THE TYPE OF, UM, AS YOU'VE HEARD TODAY SAID, CORPORATE CITIZEN AS WELL AS A NEIGHBOR THAT THEY ARE, AND THE QUALITY PRODUCT THAT THEY DO BRING. 
          UM, SO, AND AS FAR AS SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS TODAY AS FAR AS HEALTH AND SAFETY AS, UM, MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID, WE ARE NOT EXPERTS ON THAT. 
          BUT I JUST DON'T THINK, UM, WITH, UH, T C E Q AND E P A THAT SOME OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S, I, I I JUST HAVE PAUSE ON THAT. 
          BUT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH QUIKTRIP IS DEFINITELY, I BELIEVE, UH, IF I HAD HAVE A NEIGHBOR, I WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD BE A TYPE OF NEIGHBOR I WOULD CHOOSE. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORS ARE HERE, UH, CLEARLY, UM, IN GREAT VOLUME SAYING THAT THAT IS NOT, UM, WHAT THEY WANT AND IT'S AN ENCROACHMENT INTO THEIR, UH, CURRENT RESIDENTIAL, UH, AREA. 
          SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION. 
          UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          OKAY. 
          TAKING OFF THE DISTRICT TWO HAT, PUTTING ON THE MAYOR HAT. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CASE FOR ME BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT QUICKTRIP HAS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND IN TRYING TO VET THIS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, HAS SHOWN SOME WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH THE TENANTS THAT ARE GONNA BE MOST IMPACTED BY SUCH A CASE. 
          UM, WE ALSO KNOW THIS AREA IS ON THE VERGE OF SEEING SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT AND MAYBE, UM, UH, SOME NEW FACES, SOME NEW BUSINESSES, AND SOME NEW ECONOMIC GROWTH TO THE AREA. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. 
          AND IN CERTAIN CASES, IN CERTAIN WAYS. 
          BUT I ALSO, AS A REALTOR AND AS A HOMEOWNER, WANNA LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALSO GONNA BE IMPACTED. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE ALSO HAD TO WEIGH VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M, I'M NOT A FAN OF GAS STATIONS BACKING UP TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND IT'S, IT'S A MIX OF HEALTH ISSUES AND TRAFFIC ISSUES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE WAY THE CODE HAS BEEN WRITTEN AND THOSE CASES HAVE BEEN DECIDED BEFORE ME. 
          UM, I ALSO WANNA TAKE THE MOMENT JUST TO THANK, UH, YOUNG MISS, UM, SORRY, LOOKING FOR YOUR NAME HERE, BARBIE, FOR COMING TODAY. 
          MS. BARBIE, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY AND HELPING YOUR MOM MAKE SUCH AN ELOQUENT CASE, UH, FOR SOME OF THE REASONS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          AND I WISH YOU A SPEEDY RECOVERY CONTINUED FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          A, SORRY, JUST ONE THING. 
          I, I WAS DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED. 
          I MEANT NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF 35, NOT EAST AND WEST . 
          ALRIGHT, SO, UM, DID YOU MAKE THE MOTION YET? I DID. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING REMEMBER. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          OH MY GOODNESS. 
          HELP MY MEMORY. 
          AND, UH, SECOND, UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO, SORRY. 
          YES. 
          . 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. 
          AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 
          [9. 20-1413 (Continued from 12/17/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700301 S (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "AE-2 AHOD" Arts and Entertainment Airport Hazard Overlay District to "AE-2 S AHOD" Arts and Entertainment Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Specific Use Authorization for three (3) dwelling units on Lot 26, Block 109, NCB 1386, located at 811 Montana Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)]
NINE, MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          THIS IS LOCATED AT 8 1 1 MONTANA STREET. 
          IT'S A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM AE TWO TO AE TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR THREE UNITS. 
          37 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          ZERO WILL RETURN IN FAVOR, FIVE IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS AND RELATIONS TO THE ZONING EXCHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND JUST DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, WE'LL JUST WAIT IN A FEW MORE SECONDS FOR, UM, OUR NEIGHBORS TO LEAVE THE ROOM 
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SO WE CAN, UM, MOVE ON TO THE YEAH, IF WE COULD LET THE DISCUSSIONS GO OUTSIDE. 
          WE STILL HAVE A LOT, A FEW CASES AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OH, MAYBE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, GERARD . 
          I'M THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER OF THE PLACE. 
          I DON'T EVER, YOU CALLED ME, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, I WAS HERE, YOU KNOW, LAST, LAST MEETING, LA LAST HEARING. 
          UH, COULD YOU HELP ME WITH THAT CONTROL? OKAY. 
          FROM LAST HEARING THAT WE HAD AT THE, YOU KNOW, THIS PAST DECEMBER, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WERE THREE, THREE HOMEWORKS THAT I TOOK HOME. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, GETTING SURE THAT AS, AS EVERYBODY SAID, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, DURING THE HEARING, THAT THEY WERE NOT PROPERLY COMMUNICATED. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE HOMEWORKS THAT, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO THE CITY AND SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY DID IN ORDER TO COMMUNICATE THE CASE. 
          THEN THE OTHER THING WAS THAT I TOLD YOU THAT I WAS GONNA MEET WITH THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION ON JANUARY 13TH, WHICH I DID. 
          AND THEN THAT I WAS GONNA MEET THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS. 
          SO, BASED UPON THAT, AND YOU JUST HEARD IT, YES, 37 LETTERS WERE SENT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE 200 FOOT. 
          UH, INTERESTING TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN IS STILL THERE. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN A MONTH PLUS HAS PASSED, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S, I HAVE BEEN KEEPING THE SIGN THERE AND TRYING NO. 
          WHEN TO TAKE IT OUT. 
          AND, UH, YES, IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE THAT OUT OUT OF THOSE 37 LETTERS, IF YOU START SEEING, YOU KNOW, ONE MATCHING WHO LIVES WHERE, AND YOU KNOW, THE ADDRESSES THERE, YOU COULD SEE THAT OUT OF THOSE 37 JUST NINE FAMILIES LIVE THERE, 26 OF THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES, THEY BELONG TO INVESTORS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AS I WAS SAYING, YES, I HAD THIS MEETING WITH THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION, WITH THE EXECUTIVE BOARD. 
          I MET WITH THEM ON JANUARY THE 13TH. 
          AND THEY APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS DECISION. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PROJECT. 
          YES. 
          I ALSO MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          EVEN, UH, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MENTIONED THAT I DIDN'T MET WITH NO ONE. 
          YES, I MET WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS. 
          YES, SHE WAS, SHE WAS, UH, SHE APPROACHED ME THROUGH THE CITY, BUT YES, I MET HER. 
          IT IS MY NEIGHBOR, WHICH IF YOU'RE FACING THE LOT, IT'S PRETTY MUCH IN THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. 
          AND WE DISCUSS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT PLANS THAT I HAD. 
          UH, LATER ON, I WILL, UH, I WILL SHARE TO YOU WHAT IS WHAT WE TALKED THAT DAY. 
          BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT AFTER THAT MEETING THAT PRETTY MUCH HE, SHE WAS KIND OF CLEAR ON WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS NOT, NOT CONCERNED ANYMORE ON THAT. 
          UH, THEN JUST AFTER THE HEARING, UH, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY AFTER, AFTER THE HEARING, ALL OF, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE COMPLAINING, YOU KNOW, I MET THEM OUTSIDE AND WE STARTED TALKING THERE. 
          UH, SO THEN, UH, WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING THIS PAST, UH, THURSDAY, JANUARY THE 16TH, IN WHICH WE WENT ON SITE AND DISCUSSED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROJECT, THEIR CONCERNS, UH, AT LEAST WHAT I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THEM, THEIR CONCERNS ARE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PARKING, THE SETBACKS, AND THE BUILDING SIZES AND HEIGHT, THE UTILITIES, IF THERE WERE ENOUGH OR NOT THE PROFITS THAT ME OR ANY OTHER DEV DEVELOPER. 
          THUS, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT I WILL, YOU KNOW, SHARE WITH YOU. 
          SO LET'S START TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DENVER HEIGHTS HAS TWO MAIN ZONING AREAS, UH, RMM FOUR AND AES A TWOS, IF YOU PRETTY MUCH PICTURE YOURSELF, COMMERCE STREET IS COMMERCE STREET, GOING SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO MONTANA. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THREE, FOUR BLOCKS SOUTH OF COMMERCE. 
          THAT'S THE, THE AREA IN WHICH WE HAVE PRIMARILY A ONES AND A TWOS. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE LOT IS LOCATED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS BLUE SECTION IS THE AES SECTION. 
          THEN SOUTH, ALL DENVER HEIGHTS IS PRETTY MUCH R M FOUR, UH, RMM FOUR, AS WE ALL KNOW, RMM FOUR ALLOWS US, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD UP TO FOUR UNITS IN EACH, UH, IN EACH OF THE LOTS. 
          SO, GOING BACK HERE WHERE PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, WHERE THE LOT IS LOCATED, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT, LESS THAN HUNDRED FEET, I WILL BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, UNDER FOUR ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD FOUR HOUSES. 
          BUT SINCE I'M IN THE BLUE AREA, YES, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, STANDING ASKING, YOU 
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KNOW, FOR THE ZONING CHANGE, WHAT DOES A ONE AND 82 LOOKS FOR? YES, THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT LOTS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES WHICH ARE ABANDONED IN THE AREA. 
          AND THAT'S WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE AES, A AES AND 80 TWOS IN ORDER TO PROMOTE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE INVESTMENT INTO THE AREA AND IN, IN ORDER TO PROMOTE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, AS IT IS CALLED 82 82. 
          AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT IT IS LOOKING FOR IS TO ATTRACT LOCAL ARTISTS TO LIVE, WORK, DISPLAY, AND SELL THEIR ARTWORK. 
          TO HAVE OR TO, OR TO BE ABLE TO HAVE EVEN CAFES, BAKERIES, CONVENIENCE STORES, UH, BARBER BEAUTY SHOPS, ALONG WITH THE COEXISTENCE OF SINGLE FAMILY PLACES, RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          SO THIS IS A CHARACTER OF DENVER HEIGHTS. 
          IF YOU WALK AROUND THE LOT, THE EIGHT 11 MONTANA, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN A RADIUS OF TWO TO THREE BLOCKS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ABANDONED HOUSES. 
          THESE TWO HOUSES ARE IN MONTANA, THESE ARE IN WYOMING. 
          ALL THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, LATER ON, UNFORTUNATELY SPEAKING, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE THERE. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE DOING THEN? SO, YES, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE JUST LIKE ME, OTHER DEVELOPERS IN WHICH, YES, WE'RE TRYING TO RESHAPE THE AREA. 
          REMEMBER THAT I WAS TELLING YOU THAT I'M TRULY COMMITTED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. 
          THIS IS PRETTY MUCH ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT I, THAT I WAS SHARING TO YOU. 
          THIS ONE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE ON THE TOP IS, YOU KNOW, UH, LOCAL HISTORICAL HOUSE, WHICH I RECU. 
          AND THAT'S EVERYTHING STARTED THERE. 
          IF YOU REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, MY EXPOSITION LAST TIME, THIS IS WHERE I STARTED PLACING, YOU KNOW, SOME MURALS IN THE HOUSE. 
          THIS, THIS, THIS IS A MURAL THAT I, THE FIRST MURAL THAT I PLACED, THEN THIS ONE THAT SAYS DOWNTOWN EAST IS PRETTY MUCH IN FRONT OF, OF MY PROPERTY. 
          I WORK WITH MY NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT, UH, THAT, THAT MURAL. 
          YES, I'M TRULY, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THAT'S A WAY THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GONNA CHANGE BY BRINGING INVESTMENT, BY BRINGING NEW THINGS, BY APPROACHING PEOPLE AND BRINGING, YOU KNOW, ART INTO THE, IN, INTO THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          THIS OTHER PROJECT HERE IS ONE THAT I'M DEVELOPING. 
          THERE ARE TWO PRETTY MUCH WHAT, LESS THAN A BLOCK AWAY FROM, UH, FROM, FROM THIS PROPERTY. 
          AGAIN, AS YOU SEE A MURAL IN FRONT. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT I'M DOING, AND THIS IS, REMEMBER THAT I SHARED TO YOU THAT I WAS WORKING WITH MR. WILLIAMS, A PERSON THAT CAME HERE TO LAST, LAST, UH, LAST HEARING, UH, THAT WE WERE WORKING ON RECONVERTING THIS CORNER THAT HAD A, A, A CHURCH RECONVERTING INTO A MUSEUM. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE STARTED DOING. 
          THE ST. 
          JOSEPH'S UH, UH, CHURCH. 
          WE ALREADY FINISHED RECONVERTING. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT IT USED TO BE THE PASTOR'S HOUSE, HOUSE. 
          AND NOW WE'RE WORKING ON THE, ON THE MUSEUM INSIDE THE CHURCH. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE CHARACTER OF, OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S NOT THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT JUST HAPPENED. 
          YES. 
          BUT YES, IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE NEED TO WORK ALL TOGETHER. 
          THIS IS A CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THESE ARE THE ARTISTS THAT I HAVE BEEN INVITING, YOU KNOW, TO WORK ALONG WITH THOSE PROJECTS. 
          THIS IS MIA SANTIAGO. 
          SHE'S THE ONE DOING THE, THE PROJECT THAT I WAS DOING. 
          GREAT LADY, YOU KNOW, YOUNG LADY, YOUNG ARTIST, NO ONE KNEW ABOUT HER. 
          YES, I HAPPEN TO INVITE YOUNG PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DESERVE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BECOME SOMEONE. 
          UH, SO YES, I, I TOLD YOU THAT I DID AN OPEN COMPETITION AMONG DIFFERENT ARTISTS, ABOUT 25 DIFFERENT ARTISTS. 
          THEY, THEY STARTED IN COMPETING IN ORDER TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE CHANCE TO DO THOSE MURALS. 
          YES, MIA WAS ONE OF THOSE. 
          WALKING TO THE SEE THE PLACE AND WARM THE PLACE. 
          UH, THIS IS VICTOR HERRERA WITH MY WIFE, OKAY? AND, UH, UH, SORRY, RUDY HERRERA WITH MY WIFE, VICTOR UA, HER GIRLFRIEND, AND OF COURSE ME TAKING A SELFIE. 
          YES, THAT'S WHAT I DO. 
          YES, I GET ALONG WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AROUND ME. 
          'CAUSE THESE TWO GUYS, THEY LIVE PRETTY MUCH FOUR OR FIVE BLOCKS AWAY FROM WHERE THE PROPERTY IS. 
          UH, SO YES, THIS IS FOR ME, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AGAIN, IT'S NOT WHAT UNFORTUNATELY BECAME YEARS AGO. 
          SO GOING TO THE PARKING ISSUE, IF YOU GO AND SEE THE CODE, THE CODE IN A E TWO, WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT YOU NEED TO GO AND REVIEW TABLE 5, 2 6, 3 B IN ORDER TO SEE WHAT WILL BE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, MINIMUM SPACES 
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ONE MAXIMUM 1.9. 
          ACTUALLY, A E TWO HAS ALSO A TABLE IN WHICH IF YOU'RE MIXING RESIDENTIAL WITH RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS THE CASE, YOU MAY END UP JUST NEEDING ONE PARKING SPACE. 
          WHAT DID I OFFER IN THE PROJECT AND WHAT DID I OFFER THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT IT? HEY, I WANT TO BUILD THREE HOUSES. 
          YES, EACH ONE WITH TWO CAR GARAGES. 
          EVEN IN THAT MEETING, THIS PAST MEETING ON THURSDAY, THEY SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT NO ONE USES THE GARAGES BECAUSE THEY USES FOR STORAGE THINGS. 
          PERHAPS THEY, THEY, THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE USES OF THE GARAGES, BUT I CANNOT CONTROL THAT. 
          WHAT I DO CAN CONTROL IS PLACING PARKING SPACES. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. 
          THEY EVEN TOLD ME, HEY, COULD YOU CONSIDER SOME VISITORS PARKING? YES, I CAN, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA HAVE SOME COURTYARDS BETWEEN THE, THE HOUSES AND YES, I CAN FEED AT LEAST ONE PER UNIT. 
          SO AT THE END, I MAY END UP HAVING ABOUT NINE PARKING SPACES. 
          IN, IN, IN, YOU KNOW, INSIDE THE, THE, THE, THE PROJECT. 
          IF YOU SEE AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT, IF YOU SEE AROUND THE LOT, YOU KNOW, MY TWO NEIGHBORS ON THE LEFT AND THE ON ON THE RIGHT, THEY HAVE TWO SPACES IN FRONT OF THEM. 
          THEY HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES, 1.5 PARKING SPACE AND ZERO PARKING SPACE. 
          SO YES, NOT EVERYONE HAS PARKING SPACES, BUT I'M WILLING TO PLACE PARKING SPACES. 
          'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED IT. 
          UH, NEVERTHELESS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, THEY BELIEVE THAT THAT WON'T BE ENOUGH. 
          THEN TALKING ABOUT SETBACKS. 
          SETBACKS, YOU KNOW, A E TWO CLEARLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF SETBACKS YOU NEED TO HAVE. 
          YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE, ON THE FRONT, IT GOES FROM FIVE TO 10 FOOT. 
          AND, UH, THE DAY THAT WE WERE THERE, AT THE SIDE, WE WALK AND I SHOW THEM THAT YES, WHAT I WAS PLANNING IS TO GO TO THE 10 FOOT, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM. 
          UH, THEY STARTED SAYING, HEY, WHY, WHY DON'T YOU ADD MORE? WELL, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY MUCH ALIGNED WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES. 
          AH, OKAY, BUT WE DON'T LIKE THAT. 
          WE, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE MORE. 
          YES, I CAN DO IT. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I AM ALIGNING TO EVERYTHING WHAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEN THEY STARTED, UH, SHARING TO ME THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE BUILDING SIZES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS GONNA DO THERE BASED UPON CODE, UH, CODE ON AN INTERIOR LOT ALLOWS YOU NOT TO EXCEED 3000 SQUARE FOOT PER, YOU KNOW, FOR A SINGLE BUILDING OR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT AGGREGATED FOR MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, WHICH I'M FULFILLING. 
          I'M NOT GOING OVER, YOU KNOW, THOSE 5,000. 
          THAT CODE ALLOWS. 
          UH, THEN WE TALK ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT, BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          WHAT THE CODE SAYS IS BUILDING SHOULD NOT EXCEED A HEIGHT OF 2.5 STORIES, WHICH I'M ALSO FULFILLING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE THREE HOUSES. 
          ONE IN THE FRONT, TWO STORY, ONE IN THE, IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT, TWO AND A HALF STORY. 
          AND THE ONE ON THE BACK TWO STORY, EVEN THOUGH THAT I SHARED TO THEM THAT I WAS PRETTY MUCH FULFILLING WHAT CODE WAS, WAS ASKING ME, THEY DIDN'T ACCEPT THE FACT THAT I, THAT I WAS GONNA DO THAT. 
          UTILITIES, WHY DOES THE CITY ESTABLISHED AES AND AE TWOS? BECAUSE YES, THERE'S AN IDEA OF THE DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF AREAS. 
          WHY? BECAUSE THERE'S ENOUGH UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, TO OFFER NEW DEVELOPMENT AS A MATTER. 
          IN FACT, YOU KNOW, A DISTRICTS IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, PLAN POLICIES, WHICH CONSIDER THAT. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH, AS I ASSURE TO THEM, EVEN THOUGH THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE ALL THE UTILITIES AVAILABLE AS A DEVELOPER, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IS TALK WITH US, TALK WITH C P S AND WHATEVER IS NEEDED. 
          WELL, WE, WE PLACE THEM THERE. 
          BUT EVEN THOUGH THAT I ASSURED TO THEM THAT I WAS GONNA DO THAT, WELL, THEY DO NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT, THAT I WILL, THAT I, THAT I COULD DO AND ESTABLISH, YOU KNOW, THOSE UTILITIES THAT MAY BE NEEDED PROFITS. 
          THERE WAS A VERY BIG CONCERN ON THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE PROFITS THAT DEVELOPER GENERATES. 
          SO NOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO SHARE SOMETHING. 
          HEY, LET'S TALK ABOUT PROFITS THEN, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT ALL THE PROFITS THAT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE BEING CREATED. 
          AS I WAS TELLING YOU, OUT OF THOSE 37 LETTERS, 20 PLUS, THERE ARE INVESTORS, THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT THEY INVEST, THEY SPECULATE, THEY HOLD THOSE LOTS. 
          THEY HOLD THOSE HOUSES AS YOU SAW IN THOSE PICTURES. 
          AND VACANT LOTS HOUSES WITH BOARDS THAT NO ONE IS LIVING WITH. 
          WHY? BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PROFIT. 
          AND THAT'S FAIR. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVING A VISION OF INVESTING IN A PLACE TO GET A PROFIT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BEING AN, 
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AN HAVING AN ENTREPRENEURIAL, UH, FEELING. 
          SO WHAT DOES INVESTORS HAVE BEEN DOING IN THAT AREA? AGAIN, IF YOU PRETTY MUCH SEE THE LEAST, I WENT OVER ALL THE BCAT AND ALL THE, AND ALL THE DEEDS, AND ON AVERAGE THEY BOUGHT THOSE, THOSE PLACES PRETTY MUCH 10 YEARS AGO. 
          PICTURE YOURSELF THIS, A LOT OF THAT TIME IN THAT AREA, THE PRICE WAS BETWEEN 2000 TO $5,000. 
          TODAY, THAT SAME LOT, THOSE LOTS THAT I'M BUYING AS A DEVELOPER IN NORTHERN, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSES INTO THAT AREA OR TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, THIS NEW ENVIRONMENT, I'M BUYING THEM FOR 80 TO $90,000. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT THESE INVESTORS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM, DON'T GET ME WRONG, ALL RIGHT? THEY HAVE BEEN DOING, OR THEY'RE GONNA DO PER LOT, THAT THEY SELL ABOUT 70, 70 PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS, MEANING THAT THEY'RE GONNA END UP DOING 2500% OF THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT. 
          SO YES, THEY CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT MY PROFITS, BUT LET'S ALSO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER PEOPLE PROFITS. 
          LET'S SAY THAT INSTEAD OF BUYING A HOUSE, THEY BOUGHT, INSTEAD OF BUYING A LOT, THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE. 
          PRETTY MUCH THE SAME CONCEPT, 10 TO $15,000. 
          THOSE HOUSES WERE BEING SOLD AT THAT TIME. 
          NOW YOU'RE GONNA END UP BUYING THOSE HOUSES BETWEEN 160 TO 180. 
          STILL, YOU NEED TO GET THEM, REMODEL THEM AND PLACE MORE MONEY IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM HABITABLE AGAIN, SEE THOSE PROFITS AND WHY THEY DON'T LIKE US AS DEVELOPERS TOGETHER. 
          BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT THEY SAY IS YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU GET THEIR PRICES GO UP AND TAXES GO UP, FOR SURE, THEY DON'T WANT TAXES TO GO UP BECAUSE SEE, THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS RELATED TO THEIR RENT. 
          THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE FOR 10,000, $15,000. 
          THEY'RE RENTING IT BETWEEN SEVEN 50 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER MONTH. 
          MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING PER YEAR ABOUT 9,000 TO $12,000. 
          SO EVERY 16 MONTHS OR EVERY 12 MONTHS, THEY HAVE THE PAYBACK OF THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT. 
          SO THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS WHEN WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THOSE INVESTORS AND SPECULATORS THAT THEY DON'T SELL THOSE LOTS, THEY DON'T SELL THOSE HOUSES TO US, THAT WE CAN CONVERT THEM INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WHY CANNOT WE CONVERT THEM INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING? 'CAUSE IF I NEED TO PAY FOR A LOT, 80,000, $90,000 IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK, I NEED, AS IN THIS CASE, TO BRING THREE, FOUR UNITS IN ORDER TO BRING THREE, FOUR UNITS, I HAVE TO PAY FOR MY IMPACT FEES FOR THOSE THREE UNITS. 
          I HAVE TO TAP IT INTO THE MAIN, THE WATER MAIN AND SEWER MAIN, ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          I END UP THEN FACING AN INITIAL CAUSE OF ABOUT $150,000. 
          THERE'S THIS RULE OF THUMB IN THE DEVELOPING WORLD, LET ME CALL IT THAT WAY IN WHICH SAYS, IF YOU'RE GONNA GET INTO A BUSINESS CONSIDERED THAT THE, THE COST OF THE LOT BEING READY A LOT FOR YOU TO BUILD, IT SHOULD REPRESENT ABOUT 10% OF YOUR INCOME. 
          SO THAT MEANS THAT I WILL THEN, AFTER DOING WHAT I DID ON THAT, ON, ON THAT BOT, I WILL NEED THEN TO HAVE INCOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF FEE OF $1,000,500. 
          SO DO YOU PICTURE YOURSELF BUYING A HOUSE FOR 1.5 MILLION? NO, WHAT I NEED TO DO IS TO, TO BUILD MORE HOUSES TO BRING DENSITY INTO THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. , I I THINK WE GOT THAT, THAT, THAT POINT. 
          WE'RE GETTING IT. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA  OKAY. 
          PRETTY MUCH. 
          SORRY. 
          BUT YES, THE DEV DEVELOPERS, WE DO BRING JOBS INTO THE AREA. 
          WE, YES, WE PAY TAXES, PRICE, PRI, MARKET PRICE TAXES, AND YES, WE ARE INVESTING, REINVESTING, AND GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT OTHER DEVELOPERS ARE DOING. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS THE NEW, THE NEW, LET ME CALL IT THE NEW DENVER HEIGHTS. 
          SO DO WE WANT TO ALLOW HAVING THIS, OR WHAT DO WE WANT IS TO KEEP HAVING THE EXISTING CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT ALL OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, WERE DISCUSSED DURING THOSE MEETINGS? YES, MY NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE GETTING CONCERNED AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT'S A VALID CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE VIEW THAT SHE HAS TOWARDS, TOWARDS MY LOT, IT'S GONNA BE BLOCKED AS I SHARE IT TO HER, IS NO WORRIES ON THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN WORK ON PLACING A FENCE AND ICE FENCE THAT SHE WILL LIKE, I WILL PAY FOR IT. 
          I THOUGHT THAT SHE, THAT SHE HAD A OR THAT SHE WAS GOOD ON THAT REGARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END SHE, SHE DOESN'T FEEL 
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THAT HAVING A FENCE THERE WILL BE GOOD FOR HER. 
          THEN SOME OTHER OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE JUST AFTER THE LAST HEARING, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ME BEING PARTICIPANT WITH MR. WILLIAMS WITH THE MUSEUM. 
          YES, I'M GONNA KEEP ON DOING THAT 'CAUSE NO ONE IS GONNA TELL ME WHAT TO DO OR WHY NOT TO DO IN THAT REGARD. 
          BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST CONCERNS TOO. 
          THE OTHER BIG CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD WAS ABOUT THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION DOES NOT COMMUNICATE TO THEM AS THEY WOULD LIKE. 
          YOU KNOW, MY, MY MOTHER HAD THIS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SUNDAY AT ONE TIME YOU HAVE TO GO TO MASS, GOD IS NOT GONNA KNOCK YOUR DOOR AND INVITE YOU TO MASS YOU GO. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO BE A, A REAL PARTICIPANT OF THE ASSOCIATION, YOU GO, YOU DON'T START, YOU KNOW, WAITING FOR THEM TO KNOCK YOUR DOOR AS I DO, I GO THERE AND I PARTICIPATE WITH THEM. 
          THEN THEY ALSO KIND OF START TELLING ME THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS MY CULTURAL BACKGROUND, THE WAY I SPEAK MY ACCENT. 
          YES, SORRY. 
          I'M A, I'M A U S A RESIDENT. 
          I'M PROUD TO BE THAT I CHOSE THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE OF WHAT ALL THE VALUES IT REPRESENTS AND SORRY, I DO HAVE AN ACCENT. 
          YES, I WAS NOT BORN HERE, BUT NO ONE, SORRY, NO ONE IS GONNA TELL ME THAT THEY'RE GONNA ACCEPT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF MY CULTURAL BACKGROUND OR NOT. 
          AND LEAST. 
          AND LAST AND NOT LEAST, THE ONLY THING THAT THEY SAID WAS, WELL, WE MAY END UP AGREEING IF YOU DO SOMETHING THAT STRICTLY STICKS INTO A E TWO, NOT THE A E TWO SS, BUT JUST TO A TWO. 
          SO JUST TO FINISH ALL THIS, AS WE HAD LAST DAY, WHICH IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A VERY NICE CELEBRATION THAT WE HAD HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND I'M JUST GONNA READ IT. 
          THERE COMES A TIME WHEN ONE MUST TAKE A POSITION THAT IS NEITHER SAFE NOR POLITIC, NOR POPULAR, BUT HE MUST TAKE IT BECAUSE CONSCIENCE TELLS HE HE IT IS RIGHT? YES. 
          DURING DECEMBER, I TALK A LOT WITH MY WIFE, WITH MY KIDS, AND I TOLD THEM, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I HAVE THIS ISSUE WITH THIS PROJECT, WHAT SHOULD I DO? WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO? AND WHAT WE ALL DISCUSS IN OUR FAMILY, AND I ALSO SHARE THAT TO THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION. 
          NO ONE IS GONNA GET ME HOSTAGE OF DOING THE MUSEUM. 
          NO ONE IS GONNA GET ME HOSTAGE TO KEEP ON WORKING FOR THAT COMMUNITY. 
          SO IF THE RIGHT THING FOR ME TO DO IS IN ORDER TO AVOID ANY MORE ISSUES ON THIS ZONING CASE, TO DROP THE CASE AND TO STICK WITH A E TWO AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I WILL DO IT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE ISSUES. 
          NO TROUBLES, NO SHOUTING, NO NOTHING WITH NONE OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORS. 
          WHY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING TO YOU GUYS, THAT I WANT TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY WITHOUT HAVING ANY STRUGGLE. 
          SO WHAT I'M SHARING TO YOU TODAY IS VERY EASY. 
          I DID, I I I I'M MAKING MY MIND OFF NOT GOING THROUGH THIS CASE ANYMORE. 
          A E TWO, IT'S GREAT A E TWO, I WILL DO IT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THE CITY SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MY OPTIONS TO DO. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA END UP DOING. 
          SO YOU'RE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE UH, SO YOU'RE KEEPING THE CASE ON. 
          ARE WE HEARING THE CASE OR ARE YOU, UH, WITHDRAWING? I'M WITHDRAWING COMPLETELY AND I'M GONNA KEEP ON DEVELOPING SOMETHING THERE THAT IT'S STRICTLY BASED UPON THE ZONING THAT I HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS A E TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, THEN THAT WE, SINCE THIS WITHDRAW, IF HE'S OFFICIALLY WITH, IF HE'S OFFICIALLY, OFFICIALLY WITHDRAWING, THEN THERE'S NO CASE TO CONSIDER. 
          WE DO HAVE PEOPLE SIGN IN TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE, BUT THERE IS NO REQUIRED MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION IF COMMISSION IF HE IS OFFICIALLY WITHDRAWING THE CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF HE'S TELL THE WITHDRAWING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. ARDER. 
          UM, OKAY, WELL THEN THE CASE, UM, SHOW IT TO BE, UH, WITHDRAWN. 
          WE CAN STILL, UH, CALL UP THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK JUST SO THEY CAN SPEAK IF THEY SO WISH, SO WISH TO BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE ONE O'CLOCK. 
          OKAY, WELL, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF KNOWING THAT THE CASE IS OFFICIALLY WITHDRAWN, UM, BY MR. DUARTE, UM, IF YOU STILL SO WISH TO SPEAK, UM, YOU CAN OR NOT, AND, UM, MS. UH, FLORES, UM, WHO DO WE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? LYNN NAIC. 
          KANICK, SORRY. 
          MARK CUS CO KUI OR OUSE MAN CHAIR. 
          POINT OF 
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POINT OF ORDER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE'RE JUST, UH, CONSCIENTIOUS OF TIME. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE QUICK MAN CHAIR POINT OF ORDER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YES. 
          UH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MAYBE A MOTION DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER WE DO HEAR THOSE WHO SIGNED UP TO WHEN THERE'S NO CASE ANY LONGER TO REALLY LISTEN TO? I'M NOT SURE WHY WE NEED TO LISTEN TO, I THINK THERE ARE ONLY THREE OF US AREN'T THERE. 
          THAT MATTERS IF THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION AND IT IS THIS CHAIR'S DISCRETION, BUT IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEY HAVE SIGNED UP AND THEY'RE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, , CONSIDERING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE VERY, UM, READY TO MOVE ON. 
          YES. 
          IF YOU COULD JUST MAKE IT VERY, VERY SHORT 'CAUSE IT IS WITHDRAWN. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, MY NAME'S LYNN KNAPE AND I REPRESENT REBECCA DAVIS, WHO IS THE LEFT NEIGHBOR LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, NOT THE RIGHT, AS WE WERE TOLD, I'M HER REALTOR AND SHE IS IN KENTUCKY BECAUSE HER MOTHER PASSED AWAY AND SHE COULD NOT BE HERE. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA SAY NOBODY EVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANY CULTURAL PROBLEMS. WE LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO, THIS IS A CITY OF MIXED CULTURES AND I CAN PROMISE YOU OUR LITTLE MEETING THE OTHER DAY DID NOT HAVE THAT. 
          NOBODY HAS SAID ANYTHING TO HIM ABOUT NOT WORKING WITH MR. WHOEVER, REVEREND, WHOEVER ABOUT HIS CHURCH. 
          WE WERE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT REBECCA DAVIS HAVING LIGHTS SHINING INTO HER BEDROOM FROM THE THREE PARKING, UH, SIX PARKING SPOTS. 
          WE WERE CONCERNED FOR MR. SANCHEZ ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE OUT OF HIS HOUSE WITH HAVING THESE HOUSES NEXT TO HIS RIGHT AGAINST HIS FENCE. 
          SO WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THAT HE IS GOING TO WITHDRAW. 
          HE ASKED WHAT WE WANTED AND WE SUGGESTED TWO HOUSES WITH DRIVEWAYS THAT CAME OUT AND THE HOUSES LOOKED LIKE THE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FACING THE STREET. 
          AND SO THANK YOU. 
          UH, THERE'S LOTS OF MARKETS THERE, BUT THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY, WAS THERE SOMEONE ELSE? MR. MARK, HOW DO YOU SAY YOUR LAST NAME? ARE YOU STILL OUT THERE? ZI? THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT I'VE GOT, LET'S SEE, MONICA SVIN, IS IT SAVINO? UH, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR S HANGING OUT AND, UM, LISTENING TO ALL OF THESE CASES. 
          I DO WANNA SAY THAT WE OWN, UH, A PROPERTY TWO DOORS DOWN. 
          IT IS A VACANT LOT THAT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS USES. 
          YES, WE ARE INVESTORS, BUT WE ARE INVESTORS WITH A MIND TO THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DENVER HEIGHTS IS ILL MANY FOLKS RIGHT NOW AS WE KNOW. 
          WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE, AND I'LL SAY AT THE DECEMBER, DECEMBER HEARING, I MENTIONED THAT THE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN GAVE DENVER HEIGHTS AN EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY MAXIMUM. 
          I STAND CORRECTED BECAUSE IN JANUARY, 2019, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONED THAT ALLOWED A PROPERTY, ONE PROPERTY AT GRAVEL IN SOUTH PINE TO BE AMENDED AT I D Z UP FOR UP TO 25 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          THE RESULTING CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS ORDINANCE RELEGATES THE ENTIRE AREA OF DENVER HEIGHTS TO BE REBUILT AT UP TO 25 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          WHAT THAT DOES, AND THIS PROJECT WAS A, A CONCERN BECAUSE IT WAS 21 UNITS PER ACRE. 
          WHAT THIS DOES, AS THIS HAPPENS, IT INCENTIVIZES DEMOLITIONS AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH REDEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH FILLING VACANT LOTS, BUT WE DO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE RESIDUAL EFFECT, THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE OF THE EXISTING HOUSES. 
          UM, THE ONES WE SAW IN THE PHOTOS, UM, ARE PROBABLY THE WORST OF THE WORST, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A LOT OF BEST BETTER, OF THE BEST. 
          BUT, UM, UM, WHAT I WANNA SAY IS THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT STILL HAS A HIGH LEVEL, HIGH NUMBER OF EXISTING LONG-TERM NEIGHBORS. 
          THE NEIGHBOR TO THE, UH, EAST OF THE VACANT LOT THAT IS IN QUESTION HERE HAS BEEN IN HIS HOUSE FOR OVER 65 YEARS. 
          SO THAT IS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO LET'S REDEVELOP AND KEEP WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I JUST ASK THAT ESPECIALLY OF DENVER HEIGHTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE THANK THE NEIGHBORS OF, UH, DENVER HEIGHTS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, RICK. 
          SHELL, THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [03:10:13]
ALL RIGHT, AM MARCO RAVI, SENIOR PLANNER, LAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          [10. 20-1395 (Continued from 12/17/19) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700305 (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from "C-1" Light Commercial District, "C-2" Commercial District, "C-2 NA" Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales District, "C-2 NA CD" Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales District with Conditional Use for an Auto Body Repair and Paint Center, "C-3 NA" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales District to "MF-25" Low Density Multi-Family District on 9.708 acres out of NCB 16109 and NCB 16455 and 0.231 acres out of NCB 16455, located at 6460 Babcock Road. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Plan Amendment Case PA-2019-11600089) (Mirko Maravi, Senior Planner (210) 207-0107, mirko.maravi@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)]
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS 64 60 BABCOCK ROAD, GOING FROM C ONE, C TWO, C TWO, AND A C TWO AND A CD. 
          UH, MARCO? YES, MARCO, CAN YOU HOLD JUST ONE MOMENT, MA'AM? ALRIGHTYY. 
          UM, SO, UM, WE'LL MAKE NOTE THAT, UH, SUMMER GREATHOUSE IS RECUSED FROM THIS CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SHE'S LEFT THE ROOM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MARK MOR, SENIOR PLANNER FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 10 IS ON 64 60 BABCOCK ROAD, UH, GOING FROM C ONE, C TWO, C TWO, AND A C TWO C D AND C THREE AND A TO MF 25 35 NOTICES SENT OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          0, 4 0 OPPOSED, SIX OPPOSED OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET. 
          AND NO OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM THE TANGLEWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE OF LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD. 
          ALMOST EVENING. 
          JAMES MCKNIGHT, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN, REPRESENTING THE BUYER IN THIS CASE. 
          UH, I'M GO, THAT'S, THAT'S WRONG. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE. 
          THAT ONE WENT THROUGH ALREADY. 
          SO WE'RE GOOD THERE. 
          UM, I'M GONNA KEEP THIS TO A BRIEF 35 MINUTES IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. 
          . 
          UM, SO , I HAVE, UM, PRESENTED THIS BEFORE TO SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HERE. 
          UM, THE LAND USE FACTS HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE THEN, ALTHOUGH WE, I, I THINK WE HAVE MADE SOME, SOME GOOD PROGRESS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AS FAR AS, UH, A SET OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, BUT WE WILL GET TO THAT, UM, TOWARDS THE END. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE PROPERTY 64 60 BABCOCK, ABOUT 10 ACRES LOCATED ON BABCOCK ROAD JUST NORTH OF, OF PERU. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED MOSTLY EXCEPT FOR A SMALL BIT OF IT, ABOUT ONE ACRE OF IT THAT HAS, UH, A CAR LOT ON IT. 
          AND HERE IS A, A ZONING MAP JUST SHOWING THE PROPERTY ZOOMED IN. 
          AND THERE'S A LARGER CONTEXT, AND PART OF THE REASON I SHOW THE LARGER CONTEXT IS, IS TO TALK ABOUT CONSISTENCY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ZONING CHANGE, IS CONSISTENCY AND, AND ADVERSE, SUBSTANTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORING AREA. 
          IF YOU CAN SEE DOWN AT PRU ROAD AND BABCOCK, THAT IS REALLY THE MORE, THE LARGER COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR AND, UM, INTERSECTION, THAT'S WHERE THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE GONNA BE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE A LONG BABCOCK ROAD THERE. 
          WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE NORTH OF US, SOME THAT ARE EAST OF US. 
          BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE A LARGE COLLECTION OF MULTI-FAMILY THAT REALLY IS A PATTERN THAT YOU SEE DEVELOPING A LOT. 
          YOU SEE COMMERCIAL ON THE CORNER, MULTI-FAMILY BEHIND THAT, SINGLE FAMILY BEHIND THAT AND USE THE, THAT MULTI-FAMILY ZONING IS A, IS A TRANSITION. 
          THIS IS THE VIEW OF THE SECTOR PLAN. 
          AND THIS WAS DONE IN 2010, BUT YOU CAN SEE UP TO THE NORTH OF US, THERE IS SOME GENERAL URBAN TIER INDICATING MORE DENSITY COMING OUR WAY. 
          THIS IS THE, THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THIS IS, UM, ONE OF THE PED CORE PROPERTIES. 
          THIS IS FOR 192 APARTMENT UNITS. 
          THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT THEY HAVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO ALREADY, JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF THE, THE THREE STORY APARTMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND HERE'S A SITE PLAN THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          INTERNAL DRIVE EXITS ONTO SPRINGTIME DRIVE AND TO BABCOCK DRIVE. 
          SO, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THIS IS FOR, OUR REQUEST IS FOR MULTIFAMILY ZONING, MF 25, UM, 192 UNITS. 
          NOW WE WOULD, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE THIS PRODUCT WORK AT 180 UNITS, 18 UNITS AN ACRE, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE. 
          IT JUST CAN'T GET THERE. 
          NEED 192. 
          THE NEXT ZONING UP IS MF 25, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US 250 UNITS. 
          SO THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP US AT 192 IS TO OFFER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD A SET OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. 
          UM, THAT I HAVE GIVEN, I'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH, UH, MS. SKAIN MOSTLY, UH, TO SAY WE WILL ABSOLUTELY PUT THESE, THE PROPERTY'S NOT IN OUR NAME RIGHT NOW, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ALREADY AGREED TO, TO THAT COVENANT, TO RESTRICT THE PROPERTY TO 192 UNITS TO INCREASE THE SETBACKS AND THE LANDSCAPING ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO THE DAYCARE, NEXT TO THE SCHOOL, NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          INCREASE THE, THE SETBACK AND THE LANDSCAPING ON THE SOUTH, WHICH ALSO HAS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NOISE REDUCTION IS THERE OFF OF THE BALCONIES, THAT, UH, THE TRASH BINS ARE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. 
          UM, THAT POOL HOURS ARE LIMITED, SO THERE THERE'S NOT, UM, TOO MUCH NOISE COMING OFF OF THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS INTO A SET OF COVENANTS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FULLY COMMITTED TO THIS AND WE'RE SO FULLY COMMITTED. 
          ONE OF THE COVENANTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN IS MONEY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 
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ESCROW TO SAY, IF WE BREAK THESE COVENANTS, HERE IS THE MONEY FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY SUE US, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW COMMITTED WE ARE TO THIS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT YOU GET FOR RESTRICTED COVENANTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT ZONING, IS TO SAY, WELL, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR AN ATTORNEY. 
          WELL, WE'RE WILLING TO PUT THAT MONEY UP. 
          THE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT, THE FIRST IS ABOUT INCREASING TRAFFIC. 
          SO AT THE MOMENT, THE PROPERTY IS MOSTLY C TWO, SOME C THREE AND C ONE, BUT YOU'VE GOT 10 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL COMPARED TO NOW 10 ACRES OF MULTIFAMILY, 192 UNITS. 
          THIS IS THE STUDY DONE FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER FROM THE TRAFFIC MANUALS THAT WILL SHOW YOU THAT A AM PEAK HOUR PM PEAK HOUR. 
          THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN NUMBERS THAT WE LOOK AT. 
          88 IN THE MORNING, 1 0 2 IN THE EVENING COMPARED TO 148 FOR COMMERCIAL AND 448 IN THE EVENING FOR COMMERCIAL. 
          SO AS STAFF HAS SAID BEFORE, THEY'VE SAID IT IN THE REPORT, WE'RE SAYING IT HERE TOO. 
          THIS IS A DOWN ZONING. 
          THIS DECREASES, ACTUALLY, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IN THE REPORT. 
          THEY SAID IT AT THE LAST MEETING, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, THIS IS A DECREASE IN TRAFFIC. 
          THE PROPO, THE WHAT COULD GO THERE RIGHT NOW MATTERS AND COMPARE THAT TO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. 
          THIS IS A DOWN ZONING. 
          THIS IS A DECREASE IN TRAFFIC. 
          SO THE, THE IDEA THAT THIS IS GONNA INCREASE TRAFFIC IS JUST NOT TRUE. 
          AND WE HAVE THE DATA TO BACK THAT UP AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE MET WITH THEM, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS RECEIVE SOME EMAILS. 
          THERE'S FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN THAT HAPPENS IN ANY ZONING CASE. 
          FEAR OF WHAT'S GONNA COME, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE? WE HAVE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          IN SOME CASE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CRYSTAL BALL. 
          WE MAKE ASSUMPTIONS. 
          WE MAKE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON DATA AND, AND SOME FACTS. 
          THIS IS WHAT I HAVE. 
          THIS IS THE, THE DATA FROM TRAFFIC STUDY MANUALS FROM THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS SAYING THIS WILL DECREASE TRAFFIC. 
          POPULATION DENSITY. 
          WE HEAR ABOUT POPULATION A LOT. 
          ONE THING, THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF SA TOMORROW, I MEAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING IS A BIG THING IN SAN ANTONIO RIGHT NOW. 
          WE KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO SAN ANTONIO, 500,000 NEW JOBS, 500 NEW DWELLING UNITS FOR, TO ACCOMMODATE THE 1.1 MILLION PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING. 
          THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, OUT OF SA TOMORROW. 
          SO WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GO? DENSITY IS THE ISSUE. 
          THERE ISN'T ENOUGH LAND TO CAPTURE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY WITHIN THE NORTH PART OF THE CITY. 
          IF DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES UNDER THE SAME DENSITY AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, INCREASING THE DENSITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE AVERAGE DENSITY OF SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WILL HELP REDUCE SOME OF THE DEMAND FOR LAND. 
          THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE ISN'T LAND TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY, AND THE PRICES OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE ONLY GOING UP BECAUSE THE SUPPLY IS LOW. 
          SO WE HAVE TO CREATE THE HOUSING FOR THEM AND NOT JUST ANY HOUSING, NOT JUST APARTMENT COMPLEXES, BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS PART OF THE POLICY OF THE CITY TO SAY WE HAVE A HUGE AFFORDABLE HOUSING GAP, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT HERE. 
          PCOR IS A 4% TAX CREDIT, UM, DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ALLOWS THOSE RENTS FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS TO COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND ADDRESSES THE NEED. 
          THAT HAS COME STRAIGHT FROM SA TOMORROW STRAIGHT FROM THE MAYOR'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY. 
          WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMING PEOPLE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE MEETING UP WITH THE, THE LAND USE PATTERNS THAT ARE IN, IN PLACE NOW. 
          THE ONES THAT ARE COMING, WE HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY AND WE ARE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPACTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE DEGREE THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME OTHER OPTION. 
          I THINK THE, THE MOST APPROPRIATE USE AT THIS LOCATION IS TO HAVE THIS MULTIFAMILY ZONING THAT 10, 10 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL HAS BEEN SITTING THERE. 
          IT'S NOT BEING DEVELOPED. 
          IT'S NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE ZONING 10 ACRES COMMERCIAL THAT'S APPROPRIATE AT PRU AND BABCOCK. 
          WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A REAL CHANGE AND ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF THE CITY. 
          SO, UM, ACTUALLY THERE IS, UH, ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE TO TO SAY IS ONE OF THE LAST THING THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT IS, UM, THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE PAYING THEIR TAXES OR WON'T BE PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          AND THERE IS A MECHANISM IN PLACE THAT WE'RE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE, UM, SOME TAX EXEMPTION BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WOULD BE OWNED BY THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST PUBLIC FACILITIES CORP. 
          BUT THAT IS NOT, NOT ONLY IS THAT NOT THE MAIN LAND USE CONCERN HERE. 
          THAT IS, THAT IS A CONCERN OUTSIDE THE, THE PARAMETERS OF THE LAND USE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S TOO SMALL OR TOO NARROW WINDOW TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE PAYING THOSE TAXES. 
          THERE'S MONEY COMING INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          THE, THE LOWER RENT FOR SOME OF THESE, UH, RESIDENTS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE MORE MONEY TO PUMP INTO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LARGER PICTURE. 
          ALSO, THE PUBLIC FACILITIES CORP IS A PUBLIC ENTITY. 
          THEY'RE GETTING MONEY OFF OF THAT AS WELL. 
          THEY'RE GETTING MONEY THAT GETS THAT, THAT WAS INTO THEIR POCKETS. 
          THAT IS PART OF THE PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          SO I JUST THINK IT'S TOO NARROW A SCOPE TO SAY, WELL, THEY'RE NOT PAYING. 
          THEY MAY NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES. 
          UM, THAT'S SHOULD BE OUTSIDE THE CONCERNS OF, 
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UH, A LAND USE DECISION, ESPECIALLY WHEN I'VE SHOWN HOW CONSISTENT MULTIFAMILY ZONING IS AT THIS LOCATION. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. 
          SO, UM, I'M HERE FOR, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, AND THEY CAME TO VISIT WITH US DURING THE BREAK, BUT THE FIRST PERSON I HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS JERRY MCCRAW. 
          COME ON DOWN. 
          YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANT. 
          YOU WON'T LIKE THE PRIZES. 
          MY NAME IS JERRY MCCRAW. 
          I'M WITH THE, I'M THE ONE OF FOUNDERS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          I'M NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHO STARTED BACK IN 1970 AND MOVED IN OUT HERE. 
          THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY TELL YOU HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          THE PROPERTY, UH, THE, THE GUY OWNS IT. 
          HE'S PAYING PROPERTY TAXES AND THERE'S NEW PROGRAM. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY HIT NO PROPERTY TAXES. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE PAYING NUMBER TWO HERE IS THEY'RE GONNA MAKE MAKE MONEY, MONEY OFF. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THE FEDERAL FUNDS TO BUILD THIS WITH. 
          OKAY, NUMBER THREE HERE. 
          THIS, UH, THEIR CO-SPONSOR, THEIR PARTNER IN THIS FIELD IS THIS ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY. 
          UH, WHICH IS, WELL, WHAT YOU GOT HERE IS SUBSIDIZED HOUSING HERE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST LIKE, UH, APACHE COURTS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. 
          WE, I'VE PULLED EVERYBODY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE'S NOT A ONE PERSON THAT'S IN FAVOR OF THIS THING. 
          IT'S GONNA AFFECT ABILITY OF US TO SELL THESE HOUSES THAT WE ALREADY OWN. 
          UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HOUSING. 
          THIS PROJECT HERE COULD VERY EASILY DESTROY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A PUBLIC HOUSING SITUATION? YOU GET TO CRIME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EXTRA, UH, MORE DRUG PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S A REALLY PEACEFUL COMMUNITY OUT THERE. 
          WE HAVE, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE KIDS. 
          WE HAVE PRO FOR THEM. 
          WE HAVE OUR OWN SWIMMING POOL AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. 
          WE KEEP 'EM BUSY DURING THE SUMMERTIME. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE CURFEWS FOR THEM. 
          EVERYTHING'S RUNNING REAL SMOOTHLY HERE. 
          YOU BRING IN SUBSIDIZED, UH, PUBLIC HOUSING IN HERE, UH, WHAT THEY CALL IT, LOW COST, LET'S CALL IT, UH, SAYING INSTEAD OF SAYING PEDOPHILE, WE SAY, UH, UH, CHILD FRIENDLY. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY HERE. 
          30 SECONDS THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS AGAINST IT. 
          IT'S DESTROY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT THIS IS, UH, NOTHING BUT MORE THAN ANOTHER, UH, APACHE COURTS OR VICTORIA COURTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, ERICA NEWMAN YIELDED HER TIME TO ERIC NEWMAN AND SO DID LISA HOCH HOKE, LISA HOAX. 
          SO, MR. NEWMAN, ERIC NEWMAN. 
          YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. 
          I IS ERIC NEWMAN. 
          I LIVE AT 6 9 1 4 SPRING GARDEN. 
          UM, I HAVE TWO BOYS THAT GO TO BOONE. 
          MY DAUGHTER IS HERE. 
          SHE WENT TO BOONE AS WELL. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE FACTS IN THIS CASE. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA START WITH A JOKE AND LIGHTEN THE MOOD, BUT I JUST WASTED 10 SECONDS SAYING THAT, AND I'VE ONLY GOT SIX MINUTES, SO I'M JUST GONNA READ MY COMMENTS AND THE CONCLUSIONS THAT I CAME TO, UH, AFTER, YOU KNOW, HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EVERYTHING THAT I COULD LEARN. 
          'CAUSE THIS WAS ALL NEW TO ME, AND HOPEFULLY I CAN DO IT IN SIX MINUTES. 
          EVERYTHING IN THIS SURROUNDING AREA IS DESIGNATED AS SUBURBAN LAND USE. 
          THIS DEVELOPER'S ASKING FOR URBAN LAND USE AT MF 25. 
          THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT RECOMMEND THIS, AND FOR GOOD REASON. 
          URBAN AREAS TYPICALLY HAVE EASY ACCESS TO MAJOR BUS ROUTES, GOODS, AND SERVICES AND JOBS EITHER BY WALKING OR BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. 
          THIS AREA IS NOT ON A MAJOR BUS, BUS ROUTE. 
          IT TAKES ALMOST AN HOUR JUST TO GET TO THE MAIN HUB IN THE MEDICAL CENTER. 
          THERE'S NOT ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE SIDEWALKS ALONG WITH THE TRAFFIC, IT WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR ANYONE, ESPECIALLY THE DISABLED, TO ACCESS WHAT THEY NEED WITHOUT DRIVING. 
          IT DOES NOT SEEM REASONABLE TO ALLOW URBAN ZONING IN AN AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED SUBURBAN, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE TO NOT RECOMMEND THE ZONING CHANGE. 
          I WANNA TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. 
          PCOR STATED THAT THEY WILL NOT KNOW IF THEY CAN COMPLY WITH TRAFFIC CODES AT THIS TIME AND WILL NOT KNOW UNTIL AFTER THE ZONING IS APPROVED. 
          THIS MEANS WE COULD LOSE THE PREFERRED COMMERCIAL ZONING AND THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IF IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THEY NEED 192 UNITS TO MAKE THIS WORK. 
          THERE WILL, THE 192 UNITS WILL EQUATE TO ABOUT 3,300 PARKING SPACES, YET THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS ONLY 88 CARS OUT OF 300 PARKING SPACES ARE GONNA ENTER MORNING TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S LESS THAN A THIRD OF THE CARS ARE GONNA LEAVE INTO RUSH HOUR. 
          AND MOST OF THESE UNITS ARE TWO BEDROOM. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID. 
          I THINK THEY APPLIED A BUNCH OF INDUSTRY STANDARDS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY LOOKED AT OUR ACTUAL TRAFFIC. 
          AND I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THE EXTREME NUMBERS OF HOW BAD IT COULD BE, THEY'RE 
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TALKING ABOUT HUGE RESTAURANTS AND, AND BECAUSE THIS IS NON-ALCOHOL, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A CHILI'S OR THOSE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE A HUGE DRAW. 
          THIS IS COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S NON-ALCOHOL. 
          AND THAT CHANGES THINGS A LOT. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT THIS AREA JUST CANNOT HANDLE MORE TRAFFIC. 
          YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THE AREA IN RUSH HOUR, YOU CAN SEE IT FOR YOURSELF. 
          THERE'S ALREADY 700 PLUS UNITS APPROVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET THAT DOESN'T NEED YOUR APPROVAL. 
          IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. 
          IT'S JUST WAITING FOR A DEVELOPER. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, OF THIS PROPERTY WAS A APPROACHED BY SMAR WHO'S BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT NEXT TO THIS LOT. 
          THE OWNER WAS ASKING TOO MUCH. 
          THEY COULD NOT DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY. 
          THIS IS WHY THIS LAND HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ASKING TOO MUCH. 
          AND BECAUSE THIS IS SUBSIDIZED BY TAXPAYERS, YOU'RE ASKING THE TAXPAYERS TO OVERPAY FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY SO THAT PCOR CAN MAKE A PROFIT. 
          DRAINAGE IS ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          I DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY ELSE DOES. 
          UH, POPULATION DENSITY WAS ONE THAT CAME UP. 
          IT'S COME UP A LOT. 
          I MENTIONED THE 700 UNITS THAT ARE ALREADY APPROVED ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UM, AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND, THIS AREA'S ALREADY SATURATED WITH, UH, COMPLEXES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE VERY SMALL. 
          THE ONES THAT WILL BACK UP TO THIS PROPERTY, UM, RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT ARE, THEY'RE ROW HOMES. 
          SO THERE'S FOUR IN A ROW. 
          THEY'RE VERY SMALL YARDS. 
          MOST OF 'EM DON'T EVEN HAVE A, A BACKYARD. 
          IT'S THE SIZE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, BASICALLY. 
          UM, SO THERE'S ALREADY HIGH DENSITY IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          UM, THIS LOT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL FOR A REASON, AND THE PLANNING CL COMMISSION MADE IT CLEAR WITH THEIR VOTE THAT ADDING DENSITY AT THIS LEVEL WOULD NOT BE WISE. 
          UM, OH, ALSO THERE ARE ALREADY TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF BOON. 
          BOTH OF THOSE ARE INCOME BASED AND THEY DO NOT PROVIDE FUNDING TO NORTHSIDE. 
          UM, PART OF THE BIG ISSUE FOR ME, BEING THAT I HAVE CHILDREN AT THE SCHOOL, IS THAT THIS WILL PUT THREE STORY BUILDINGS ON A HILL 15 FEET AWAY FROM THE BOONE ELEMENTARY PLAY AREA, 15 FEET AWAY FROM WHERE THE KIDS ARE PLAYING. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE THREE STORY BUILDINGS. 
          THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ZONING. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY AGREE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING AND THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT NON-ALCOHOL COMMERCIAL ZONING. 
          WE DID A POLL ON, ON NEXTDOOR, WHICH, UH, MS. GIBBONS HAD MENTIONED ALMOST A THOUSAND PEOPLE HAVE VOTED SO FAR. 
          93% OPPOSE THIS REZONING AND WANT TO KEEP THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ALMOST A THOUSAND PEOPLE. 
          WE DID A, AN ONLINE PETITION FOR SO PEOPLE COULD SIGN AGAINST THIS REZONING. 
          AND WE HAVE GATHERED OVER 500 OR CLOSE TO 500, UH, SIGNATURES ON THAT POSITION PETITION SO FAR. 
          UM, THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD BRING GOODS, SERVICES, JOBS, AND TAX REVENUE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. 
          CHANGING THIS ZONING WOULD INCREASE TRAFFIC AND POPULATION DENSITY AND WOULD NOT BRING ANY OF THOSE BENEFITS. 
          UM, 30 SECONDS. 
          ONE OF MY CONCERNS ALSO IS THAT PCOR WOULD HAVE A, A HUGE MOTIVATION TO STAY AT FULL CAPACITY BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THEY CANNOT MAKE THIS WORTH WITH 180 UNITS, BUT WITH 192 IT CANS. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 12 UNITS IS WHERE THEIR PROFIT LIES. 
          TO ME THAT SAYS THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY HESITANT TO GET RID OF PROBLEM RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEIR MOTIVATION IS TO STAY AT FULL CAPACITY. 
          I THINK WE SAW THAT IN CURE VERSUS PCOR. 
          YOU GUYS CAN LOOK THAT UP. 
          I DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I DO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          SIX MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EDWARD SWEENEY, FOLLOWED BY CHAD LARSSON. 
          HELLO, I'M EDWARD. 
          YOU CALL ME KIRK. 
          UM, I, I'LL ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUE. 
          WE LIVE AT 65 0 7 SPRING GARDEN, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE, UH, EASTERN, ALMOST THE EASTERN MOST HOUSE. 
          THERE'S ONE HOUSE NEXT TO US ON THE CORNER, SPRING TRAIL AND SPRING GARDEN. 
          THERE IS A BRAND NEW ADDITION THAT HAS JUST POPPED UP THERE. 
          THEY HAVE A CATCHMENT THAT IS ON THEIR, UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER THAT CATCHMENT RUNS DOWN AND RUNS IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE. 
          UH, AND THIS ADDITION'S BEEN UP FOR, I, I GUESS ABOUT A YEAR NOW. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ALL THE HOMES, UH, A HOME. 
          THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY'RE NOT ALL OCCUPIED YET. 
          THEY'RE STILL, I MEAN, IT'S A BRAND NEW ADDITION, BUT I CAN TELL YOU LAST SUMMER, THERE'S A STEADY FLOW OF WATER COMING OFF THAT CATCHMENT THERE. 
          SO MUCH SO THAT YOU COULD SEE ALGAE GROWING ON OUR STREET, UM, 
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THAT, UM, THAT DETERIORATES OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND WE JUST GOT THOSE STREETS REPAVED, WHAT, TWO YEARS AGO NOW? I GUESS. 
          SO. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN PREVIOUS ZONING MEETINGS, UM, AND, UH, THE, I WENT TO THE LAST ONE. 
          I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE FIRST ONE. 
          AND I, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT EVERYONE AT THOSE MEETINGS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE, UH, OPPOSED TO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. 
          WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO CHANGE. 
          WE ARE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THE CHANGE, BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT CHANGE FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          GOING FROM SUBURBAN TO AN URBAN, UH, ZONING, THAT, THAT JUST DOESN'T FIT FOR WHAT WE NEED. 
          THAT ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          UH, LEMME GO BACK A LITTLE BIT. 
          THE ENTIRE PROPERTY SLOPES DOWN TO, UH, TO THE BABCOCK NORTH AREA, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY, THIS DOESN'T SHOW THE GEOGRAPHY. 
          20 SECONDS. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAD LARSSON, FOLLOWED BY CYNTHIA SKOGEN. 
          HI, UH, MY NAME'S CHAD LARSSON. 
          I'M A RESIDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH I FEEL THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY VALID CONCERNS RAISED ABOUT THIS FOR ME, MY MAIN PROBLEM IS TRAFFIC. 
          I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 
          I'VE SEEN THE TRAFFIC RATE INCREASE DRASTICALLY IN THAT TIME. 
          UM, THE SAME DRIVE THAT USED TO TAKE ME ABOUT 14 MINUTES NOW TAKES ME CLOSE TO 31 ON THE AVERAGE. 
          UM, FOR ME, HAVING THIS DENSITY OF UNITS MOVED IN IS GOING TO ONLY COMPOUND THAT PROBLEM. 
          UM, NOT TO MENTION THAT IT'S ALSO ON A STREET RIGHT NEXT TO A DAYCARE AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          SO I'M HERE TO EXPRESS CONCERNS PRIMARILY ABOUT TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CYNTHIA SKOGEN, FOLLOWED BY ANDREW GOETZ BUSBY. 
          SONIA BUSBY TO CYNTHIA. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, MS. GOGAN, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS CYNTHIA KOGAN. 
          I LIVE AT 60 46 SPRINGTIME IN TANGLEWOOD. 
          I WANT TO SAY TO YOU THAT WE LEARNED LAST TIME THAT WE DID NOT GET A CARD BECAUSE OUR ADDRESS HAD BEEN LOST ON THE SYSTEM AND COULD CALL TO GET IT ADDED. 
          SINCE THEN, I FOUND OUT I HAVE TO FILL A FORM OUT, SO THAT'S IN PROGRESS WITH MY BOARD. 
          NOW ALSO, I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS GENERALLY A WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT'S DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND THE MULTIPLE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE HERE. 
          AND SO WE ARE TAKING THEIR INFORMATION AND BRINGING TO YOU. 
          MOST UNLIKE SOME OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE OFF AND BE AWAY FROM WORK THAT MANY DAYS TO ATTEND ALL THE MEETINGS. 
          WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME, THE MAJORITY OF THIS GROUP DID NOT SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OBJECTIONS THAT I REPRESENTED. 
          I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT COURT CODE SECTION TWO 11.004. 
          COMPLIANCE WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES AMONG ZONING STATES. 
          ZONING REGULATIONS MUST BE ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MUST BE DESIGNED TO, AMONG OTHER THINGS, LESSEN CONGESTION IN THE STREETS, PREVENT THE OVERCROWDING OF LAND AND AVOID UNDUE CONCENTRATION OF POPULATION. 
          THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL ADD UP TO 253 STORY APARTMENTS, 15 OR 20 FEET FROM OUR FENCES. 
          AND REMEMBER, COUNCIL ALREADY APPROVED AGAINST OUR REQUEST ADDING OVER 700 APARTMENTS JUST ACROSS THE STREET IN THE SAME BLOCK. 
          APPROVING THE NEW ADDS A POTENTIAL FOR MUCH MORE TRAFFIC TO THIS ALREADY. 
          CONGESTED AREA VEHICLES ARE ALREADY TRAVELING BACK ROADS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, TRYING TO GET THROUGH STAFF ROAD IN THEIR IMPACT STUDY, THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY DOCUMENT THAT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION MAY HAVE TO BE ADDED. 
          THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST. 
          THEY ALREADY KNOW THERE'S A TRAFFIC PROBLEM UNDER TOP TOPOGRAPHY, BECAUSE I THOUGHT MAYBE THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING. 
          THEY NOTED THAT THE PROPERTY DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY ABNORMAL PHYSICAL FEATURES SUCH AS SLOPE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DEFINE SLOPE. 
          MY DICTIONARY SAYS IT'S A SURFACE WHICH ONE END OR THE OTHER IS A HIGHER THAN ANOTHER RISING OR FALLING SURFACE. 
          THIS PROPERTY, BY THAT DEFINITION, AS YOU HEARD, DOES INDEED SLOPE RATHER SEVERELY IN SOME PLACES. 
          WE KNOW THAT TRAFFIC LIKE RUNOFF AND FLOODING CONCERNS HASN'T BEEN FORMALLY ADDRESSED, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE SOME ESTIMATES. 
          THE 
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DRIVING NUMBER CHART WE SEE PRESENTED IS LESS THAN 15% OF WHAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ADULTS COULD BE THERE. 
          WE COULD HAVE UP TO 604 ADULTS IN THAT AREA WHEN WE DID OUR CALCULATIONS. 
          LESS THAN 15% OF THAT WOULD BE HITTING THE ROAD FOR PEAK TIMES. 
          WE WONDER ALSO WHERE THOSE PEOPLE WILL PARK. 
          IT DOES SEEM LIKE A LOW NUMBER. 
          THE STANDARD APARTMENT TRAFFIC FORMULA THAT WAS USED MAKES ASSUMPTIONS. 
          IT DOES NOT INCLUDE LOOKING AT SAN ANTONIO'S AVAILABLE ALTERNATIVES TO PR PRIVATE VEHICLES. 
          WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION OTHER PEOPLE CAN TAKE. 
          THERE'S A BUS THAT COMES BY ABOUT EVERY HOUR. 
          IT DOESN'T RUN ALL NIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT RUNNING 24 HOURS. 
          THE COMMERCIAL ZONING NUMBER YOU SAW UP THERE IS BASED ON A SELECTION OF POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT COULD GO IN AT THAT SITE. 
          THE DEVELOPER AGREES THAT THE REAL NUMBER COULD BE 30 SECONDS, VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM FROM WHAT'S THERE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SECONDS. 
          I WANNA ALSO TO COMMENT THAT THE STAFF ITEMS SHOWS THAT THIS DOESN'T APPEAR TO CONFLICT WITH PLAN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS. 
          IT'S SUBURBAN, NOT URBAN. 
          THERE'S A SECTION WHERE IT HAS THE THREE ITEMS. WE ARE NOT A COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE AREA. 
          I WONDER WHAT BUSINESSES WERE CONSIDERED WALKABLE. 
          AND THERE ARE ACTIVITY CENTERS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY ARE. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. 
          AND ALSO, WE ARE NOT A PERIPHERY AREA. 
          BORDERED. 
          THIS IS BORDERED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANDREW GOETZ, FOLLOWED BY SYLVIA MORALES. 
          HI, MY NAME'S ANDREW GOETZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, THE TANGLEWOOD RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION BOARD. 
          ALTHOUGH THEY SPOKE THAT, UH, TANGLEWOOD RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION HAD NO OBJECTION TO THIS. 
          THIS IS NOT THE CASE. 
          UM, WE DID NOT, AS CYNTHIA POINTED OUT, WE DID NOT RECEIVE NOTIFICATION DUE TO BOOK BOX PROBLEMS WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, MAIL SYSTEM. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL BOARD MEETINGS SINCE THEN, AND THE BOARD HAS RESOLVED THAT THIS TO STAND OPPOSE AGAINST THIS REZONING ON FOREGROUNDS FINANCIAL CONCERNS IMPACT ON LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS POPULATION DENSITY AND INCREASES IN TRAFFIC CONGESTION. 
          I WILL NOT ADDRESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION AS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BEEN DEALT WITH. 
          MY PRIMARY FOCUS IS FINANCIAL CONCERNS, LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND POPULATION DENSITY FINANCIAL CONCERNS. 
          THEY WILL NOT BE PUTTING ANY MONEY INTO THESE COMMUNITY FOR THE INCREASED COSTS THAT THAT WILL BE BORN. 
          THE INCREASED COSTS THAT WILL RESULT FROM 192 UNITS WORTH OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE AREA COSTS, SUCH AS POLICE, FIRE EDUCATION, AMBULANCE, WATER, SEWER, C P S, ROAD CARE. 
          NONE OF THAT INCREASED DEMAND ON THOSE SERVICES WILL BE ASSISTED BY THEM BY PED CORE. 
          UM, IMPACT ON THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT. 
          AT THURSDAY NIGHT'S MEETING, WHEN ASKED DIRECTLY HOW MANY STUDENTS THIS WOULD ADD TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY 30 SECONDS. 
          NEXT DOOR, THEY SAID IT WOULD ADD 21. 
          BY THAT ESTIMATE, YOU'RE COUNTING AN AVERAGE OF ONE STUDENT FOR EVERY FOUR APARTMENTS. 
          FINALLY, POPULATION DENSITY WITHIN HALF A MILE NORTH OF THIS SYSTEM IS ANOTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING SYSTEM OF UNIT OF 250 APARTMENTS WITHIN ONE MILE NORTH ON BABCOCK ROAD IS A 400 UNIT COMPLEX OF 1 2 3 BEDROOM APARTMENTS. 
          THERE'S NO NEED FOR ANY INCREASED POPULATION DENSITY IN THIS AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SYLVIA MORALES, FOLLOWED BY EDGAR GONZALEZ. 
          HELLO, I'M SYLVIA MORALES. 
          I'M HOMEOWNER IN THE BABCOCK NORTH SUBDIVISION. 
          I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS AND, UH, I'VE SEEN THE GROWTH. 
          UH, I WAS THERE 1980 WHEN IT WAS ONLY TANGLEWOOD AND BABCOCK NORTH. 
          UH, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND US IS GREAT. 
          UH, I COULD SELL MY HOUSE AT A VERY NICE VALUE TODAY. 
          I BOUGHT IT AT 32,000, UH, 40 YEARS AGO. 
          EXCEPT, UH, WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, I'M OPPOSED. 
          I'VE BEEN TO ALL THE MEETINGS AND I I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS REZONING OF, OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE AREA, I KNOW IT, IT'S BEEN UNDEVELOPED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          THERE'S SOME DONKEYS THERE. 
          IT'S LIKE A LITTLE FARM EDUCATIONAL AREA. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT 
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WE WELCOME THE COMMERCIAL ZONING. 
          UH, WE WELCOME GROWTH, BUT WE DO NOT WELCOME OF ALL THE ISSUES, ALL THE AREAS THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE TAXES AREN'T PAID OR DEVELOPED IN A MANNER THAT HOMEOWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S A NEGATIVE, UH, ISSUE TO EXISTING HOMEOWNERS THAT WANNA SELL IN THE FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU EDGAR GONZALEZ. 
          AND, UM, HIS WIFE. 
          I BELIEVE MARTHA OR HIS MOTHER, I'M SORRY, HIS MOTHER, UH, GAVE HIM TIME. 
          SO THAT'S FOUR MINUTES FOR YOU MR. GONZALEZ. 
          AFTERNOON. 
          I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S TIRED AS WE ARE. 
          UM, MY NAME'S EDGAR GONZALEZ. 
          I LIVE ON 6 7 39 SPRING ROAD, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF THE ROAD. 
          I OPPOSED TO THIS FOR THE SIMPLE FACT POPULATION. 
          WHEREVER OVERCROWDED AS IT IS, THEY'RE SAYING 88 CARS PER DAY ON TOP OF WHATEVER WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          IT'S, IT'S GONNA CONGEST, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION. 
          I'M ALL FOR IHOP, A BURGER KING, A LAUNDROMAT. 
          WHY MORE APARTMENTS ALL OVER AROUND US. 
          THERE'S PLENTY OF APARTMENTS, PLENTY OF HOUSING. 
          I UNDERSTAND SAN ANTONIO'S GROWING, BUT WHY DO WE NEED TO GROW MORE AS A POPULATION? WE DON'T NEED IT. 
          WE DON'T WANT IT. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS HEAR US OUT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPEAKING, WE ARE HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE CONCERNED. 
          AGAIN, WE JUST DON'T WANT THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FRANK TOBER, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTINA SHAW. 
          IT'S FRANK TOBAR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          IT'S ABOUT THAT TIME, RIGHT? UH, ANYHOW, UH, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN, UH, BABCOCK NORTH SINCE 96. 
          UH, MY ADDRESS IS, UH, 68 39 SPRINGHURST. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES GROWING HERE. 
          AND IT'S BUILDING, YOU KNOW, JUST OUR TRAFFIC IS JUST GROWING, YOU KNOW, JUST CRAZY. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING THROUGH ONE LIGHT COULD TAKE ABOUT EXTRA 10 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET THROUGH THAT LIGHT, YOU KNOW, THREE, THREE LIGHTS AT A TIME. 
          UH, UH, SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, THE, UH, INCREASED VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUTTA THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE COULD HAVE, UH, SOME BUSINESSES COMING IN TO THAT, YOU KNOW, TO OBTAIN THAT PROPERTY. 
          UH, HOPING THAT PROPERTY MANAGER WOULD, I MEAN, THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL, UH, UH, LISTEN TO US TOO. 
          UH, BABCOCK NORTH, UH, UH, BABCOCK DELA U T SS A AND AND 1604 ALL AROUND THAT IS SO CONGESTED JUST TO GET THROUGH IT. 
          HOUSEMEN, JUST TO GET THROUGH. 
          HOUSEMEN IS TERRIBLE. 
          UH, UH, GOING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IN THE MORNING OR IN THE EVENING. 
          IT'S TERRIBLE. 
          JUST TERRIBLE. 
          UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL AND THE RUNOFF OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WATER GOING DOWN TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, THERE'S NOT PROPER DRAINAGE, UH, GOING THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          30. 
          AND IT'S JUST, UH, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DRAINAGE. 
          IT'S JUST THE STREETS ARE DRAINAGE AND YOU GOT THIS BUILDING THERE, I, I'M AFRAID TO, TO SEE WHAT, WHAT ELSE WILL HAPPEN THROUGH THERE. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          UH, THAT'S MY CONCERNS. 
          THE SCHOOL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE TRAFFIC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHRISTINA SHAW. 
          CHRISTINA, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. MCKNIGHT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? I WOULD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT I NEED TO RESPOND TO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF CONCERNS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          I THINK I'LL START WITH THE TRAFFIC, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE ADDITION OF CARS. 
          THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITION OF CARS COMPARED TO NOTHING. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO WHAT CAN GO THERE. 
          THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART HERE. 
          THIS IS A LAND USE CONCERN. 
          A LAND USE CASE. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH CAR, HOW MANY CARS WE ARE BRINGING COMPARED TO WHAT IS ALREADY ON THE GROUND. 
          THE C TWO, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD GO THERE. 
          IMAGINE 10 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S OUR COMPARISON. 
          NOT NOTHING. 
          UM, OTHERWISE, OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. 
          IF YOU JUST SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T ADD CARS. 
          WELL, YOU COULDN'T, THAT WOULD MEAN YOU COULDN'T DEVELOP ANYTHING THEN. 
          BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU ADD SOMETHING, EVERY TIME YOU DEVELOP SOMETHING, YOU ADD CARS. 
          UM, AS FAR AS DRAINAGE, UM, ANY KIND OF RIGHT AWAY DEDICATION, THOSE ARE ALL NON-LINE USE CONCERNS AS WELL. 
          THOSE ARE ALL ADDRESSED AT, AT THE CODE SECTION, 
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AT THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. 
          WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH EVERY SET OF CODE THAT IS OUT THERE. 
          OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T GET OUR BUILDING BUILT. 
          THE DRAINAGE WILL BE HANDLED. 
          WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DRAIN THE WATER OFF OUR PROPERTY ANYMORE THAN IT'S, THAN IT'S THERE. 
          THAT IS PART OF THE CODE. 
          WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO. 
          SO WE WON'T, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS, I MEAN, WE HAVE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU CAN SEE IS, IS, IS JUST OUTSIDE THE PICTURE THERE AS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER, THE BABCOCK NORTH TO NEIGHBOR TO THE, TO THE SOUTH OF US. 
          THOSE ARE THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEARING FROM BECAUSE THEY ARE, ARE MOST CLOSELY IMPACTED, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES IMPACTED. 
          THIS IS A LAND USE CASE. 
          THAT MEANS YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT MULTIFAMILY ZONING IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS CORNER THAT IMPACTS EVERYBODY UP AND DOWN BABCOCK, UP AND DOWN PRU ROAD, WHICH HAS BEEN IMPROVED. 
          THOSE CONCERNS ARE NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS. 
          WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. 
          THEY CREATE THESE POLICIES. 
          SA TOMORROW CREATES THESE POLICIES. 
          WE VOTE FOR THE POLITICIANS THAT VOTE FOR THOSE POLICIES IN. 
          WE NEED INCREASED DENSITY. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING. 
          YES, THAT SOUNDS GREAT, GREAT POLICY, LET'S CHANGE THE PLAN. 
          NEW PLANS ARE COMING TO INCREASE THOSE DENSITY ALL ACROSS THE CITY. 
          BUT ONCE IT'S CLOSE TO YOU, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE. 
          WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I'M NOT BLIND TO, TO, OR OR DEAF TO THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT THE ONLY CONCERN THERE. 
          THERE'S PEOPLE WHO NEED HOUSING AND THE LAND USE ARGUMENT FOR WHETHER OR NOT MULTIFAMILY IS APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          OF COURSE IT IS. 
          YOU CAN LOOK UP AND DOWN BABCOCK TO SEE THAT MIX OF DENSITY, MIX OF DENSITY, MIX OF, OF HOUSING TYPE, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, COMMERCIAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT MAKES A NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVE, ACTIVE. 
          THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE USE. 
          THAT IS WHAT THE PLANS HAVE ALL SAID THAT THEY WANT. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING ALONG BABCOCK ROAD. 
          IT'S NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A GROWING CITY. 
          UM, SO THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID, WE DON'T NEED TO INCREASE DENSITY. 
          THERE IS A NEED FOR INCREASED DENSITY. 
          ABSOLUTELY THERE IS. 
          AND SAN ANTONIO POLICYMAKERS HAVE SAID. 
          SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, YES, THERE ARE, THAT'S ALL MULTIFAMILY ZONING. 
          IT WAS APPROVED A WHILE BACK. 
          UM, THERE'S COVENANTS ON THE PROPERTY THAT SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 750 UNITS, BUT THAT IS WHAT IS TO COME. 
          WE DON'T KNOW. 
          WE, WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT. 
          THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS OUR CLIENT. 
          THEY'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY NO ONE. 
          THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR THAT TO BE DEVELOPED. 
          AND THERE HAVEN'T BEEN BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT HAS LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY HAS SAID WE'D RATHER HAVE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO THAT'S JUST AN ANECDOTE. 
          BUT I, I WOULD HATE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THERE'S 750 UNITS THAT ARE BEING BUILT. 
          UH, THEY COULD GO THERE. 
          I'M NOT GONNA DENY THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING BUILT. 
          UM, I THINK THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY CONCERNS THAT YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT WERE SPEC SPECIFIC TO PED CORE AS FAR AS THE TAX CREDIT HOUSING FOR INSTANCE. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE. 
          UM, THE TYPE OF HOUSING, THE TYPE OF POLICY THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING IS A TAX CREDIT HOUSING. 
          THIS IS A FEDERAL POLICY, STATE POLICY THAT SAYS THAT HAS ENCOURAGED THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT TO SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT TAX CREDIT SO THAT YOU CAN GET INVESTORS AND LOWER THE RENT FOR THE PEOPLE THERE. 
          IT'S BEEN ADOPTED. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS AN IMPORTANT ADOPTION AND ALL THAT. 
          ALL IT GIVES YOU IS A MARKET RATE HOUSING AT A SLOWER, AT A A SLIGHTLY LOWER RENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. 
          THIS IS NOT PUBLIC HOUSING. 
          THIS IS NOT SECTION EIGHT HOUSING. 
          IT'S A 4% TAX CREDIT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. 
          UM, WERE THERE ANY SPECIFICS, THIS IS JEAN LATSHAW FROM PCOR AND I BELIEVE THAT SHE COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER GOOD EVENING. 
          YES. 
          AND AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT IT, WE ARE PROPOSING 192 UNITS AND YES, THAT IS THE MOST FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE MODEL THAT WE HAVE FOR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS ONE THAT WE HAVE OUT ON JUDSON ROAD. 
          THAT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          SO YES, THERE IS A REASON WE'RE LOOKING AT 192 AND NOT 180 OR 176 THAT IS, UH, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL, THAT THAT'S THE, THE WAY TO MAKE THIS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROPERTY POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I WILL SAY ALSO, IF WE SOMEHOW ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL, UM, WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS WITH COMING TO THAT AGREEMENT WITH TANGLEWOOD, THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER KIND OF RESTRICTION RELATED TO THE FINANCING, WHICH IS SOMETHING CALLED A RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION, WHICH ALSO HAS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          THAT DOCUMENT DOES HAVE A UNIT NUMBER IN IT AND IT WILL BE 192. 
          SO EVEN IF WE'RE UNABLE, LIKE I SAID, TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH TANGLEWOOD, WE ARE CAPPED AT 192 UNITS. 
          WE HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, SUCCESS RATE CLOSING ON DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN THOSE TWO ENTITLEMENTS BEING THE RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION AND THE APPROPRIATE ZONING. 
          SO I AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT IF WE WERE TO GET THOSE TWO ENTITLEMENTS IN PLACE, THAT IT WOULD BE PCOR THAT'S HERE. 
          NOW DEVELOPING THOSE 192 UNITS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN SEVERAL MEETINGS STARTING BACK IN AUGUST, SOME SMALLER GROUPS, SOME LARGER GROUPS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT I SAID PUBLICLY THAT I EMAILED TO FOLKS THAT WE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO COMMIT TO IF WE CAN GET THOSE TWO ENTITLEMENTS. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE FINANCING, UM, UH, AND PED CORE AS A LONG-TERM OWNER 
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AND PROPERTY MANAGER, COMMISSIONER ROMERO. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          UH, JAMES, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE TRAFFIC SLIDE. 
          PLEASE EXPLAIN, UM, THE WEEKDAY ROW, BOTTOM ROW, RIGHT. 
          SO TO BE CLEAR, THE A M PEAK HOUR AND THE PM PEAK HOUR HAVE TO DO WITH A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME. 
          7:00 AM TO 9:00 AM AND I'M, AGAIN, I'M NOT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THIS IS JUST BASED ON WHAT HE HAS TOLD ME. 
          UM, SO THAT 88 CARS REPRESENTS HOW MANY ARE GOING IN IN THAT SPECIFIC TIME WINDOW, NOT HOW MANY CARS THERE ARE IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT OR HOW MANY CARS THERE ARE LEAVING THE WEEKDAY. 
          THAT'S HOW MANY TRIPS YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN AND OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ON, UH, FOR FIVE DAYS. 
          UM, UH, ERIC I BELIEVE BROUGHT UP THIS QUESTION ABOUT, SO WHEN, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY CAR, HOW MANY UNITS WILL BE THERE AND ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW MANY CARS EACH UNIT WILL HAVE AND HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT LESS THAN A THIRD OF THOSE CARS WILL LEAVE EVERY MORNING RIGHT AT PEAK HOUR? SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT? OR, OR JEAN, IF WHOEVER THE, THE BEST I CAN EXPLAIN IT AND YOU CAN SUPPLEMENT IT, IS THAT THERE'S STANDARDS IN, UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC MANUALS ON APARTMENTS. 
          IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE APARTMENTS. 
          UM, MARKET RATE APARTMENT DOESN'T DO THAT. 
          IT JUST SAYS APARTMENTS. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE ASSUMPTION IS GOING TO BE. 
          HOW MANY OF THOSE CARS LEAVE FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT YOU HAVE, INCLUDING ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM. 
          IT TAKES ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND SAYS THAT'S THE NUMBER OF CARS. 
          SO IT CAN GO UP OR DOWN, UM, OFF OF THAT. 
          BUT THAT IS THE, A STANDARD BASED ON APARTMENT DWELLINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN CAN I ASK JEAN, UM, SINCE THAT'S JUST THE STANDARD FOR APARTMENTS IN GENERAL, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IT, HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO THE, UM, INTO YOUR COMPLEXES? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ACTUALLY, UH, COUNT CARS, UM, AT EACH ONE OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, UH, NECESSARILY. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME, UH, DEMOGRAPHICS ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS, UM, BUT NOT SO MUCH CARS. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'D PROBABLY BE MORE DEPENDENT ON, UH, THINGS LIKE ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, WHICH THIS SITE DOES HAVE. 
          UM, I WOULD HOPE AND ALSO THE ACCESS, THE, THE SCHOOL BEING ADJACENT. 
          UM, ALL OF THE ELEMENTARY KIDS THAT, UM, WILL LIVE HERE WILL OBVIOUSLY WALK TO SCHOOL. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ADDING TO THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TRAFFIC. 
          UM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE DID, WE WOULD HAVE SOME RESIDENTS THAT WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ACCESS TO THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THERE. 
          UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T SPEAK TO, UM, OUR PORTFOLIO NECESSARILY HAVING A, A DIFFERENT, UH, OVERALL AVERAGE NUMBER OF CARS THAN ANY OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, JUST 'CAUSE I REALIZE THESE ARE FEWER UNITS THAN THEY COULD PUT IN MF 25, BUT JUST TALKING ABOUT MF 25 FOR A MINUTE, UM, I I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. 
          UM, I I THINK YOU CONSIDER MF 25 LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S HOW IT'S CLASSIFIED IN THE CODE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING BECAUSE AT, AT THE END WHEN YOU, UM, TALK ABOUT SOME OBJECTIVES OF THE NORTH SECTOR PLAN AND HOW THIS, YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CHANGE FITS WITH THAT, UH, YOU REFERENCE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND I JUST, I THINK SOME OF THE CITIZENS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THAT. 
          'CAUSE I, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF MESSAGES TALKING ABOUT HIGH DENSITY MULTIFAMILY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT STAFF DOES CONSIDER MF 25 TO BE HIGH DENSITY, I MEAN TO, SORRY, TO, TO MAKE THINGS MORE CONFUSING, TO BE LOW DENSITY. 
          YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE, THOSE GOALS ARE SAYING THAT HIGH DENSITY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT THE REQUEST IS REALLY FOR LOW DENSITY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER, UH, GIBBONS. 
          OH, AND OH, I'M SORRY. 
          AND, UH, KATH AFTER COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, THE, UH, THE PROJECT ON JETSON ROAD, UH, WHAT IS THE OCCUPANCY ON THAT? HOW MUCH, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF OCCUPANCY YOU HAVE? UH, YES, AS OF TODAY IT WAS ACTUALLY 97 POINT HALF, 98%. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, APPLICANT. 
          WE PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT OUR HAND ON THIS BUZZARD. 
          I CAN'T TALK . 
          UM, SO 
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I, I MAY HAVE MISSED, WAS THIS BROUGHT BEFORE ZONING BEFORE? MAYBE I MISSED THAT ONE. 
          IT WAS HERE IN DECEMBER. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY, I MISSED THAT ONE. 
          UM, SO THIS WENT THROUGH PLANNING AND ALREADY AND PLANNING APPROVED DISAPPROVED, IT WAS A FAILED MOTION. 
          THERE WERE SIX COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT FAILED. 
          AND SO ESSENTIALLY IT MOVES FORWARD AS A DENIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          WITHOUT ACTUALLY GETTING A MOTION OR SO THIS, SO THIS IS A, UM, MULTIFAMILY THAT WILL BE, UM, AVAILABLE TO LOWER INCOME, UH, RESIDENTS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT INCOME LEVEL IS WHAT, AT 36,000 TO WHAT? 60% A M I? IS THAT CORRECT? UM, WE WERE PROPOSING A HUNDRED PERCENT AT 60% A M I, WHICH IS, UH, THE RANGE OF 30 TO, UH, ABOUT $60,000 A YEAR. 
          UM, BUT WE, UH, THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST, UM, MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE AN OVERALL AVERAGE OF 60%. 
          UM, SO THERE'LL BE SOME 30% UNITS, SOME 80% UNITS, SOME 70% UNITS, A VARIETY OF INCOME LEVELS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DID THE HOUSING TRUST APPROVE IT? ANYTHING YET? UH, NOT YET. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, I NEED TO THINK BACK ON, I HAVE DEAL MERGE. 
          UM, I, I DON'T, I THINK WE HAVE AN INDUCEMENT RESOLUTION FROM THEM, BUT NOT A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING YET. 
          SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL APPROVALS THAT WE STILL NEED FROM, FROM THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THE RENT THEN IN THIS PARTICULAR UNITS ARE GONNA BE, WHAT, FROM SIX, ABOUT $600. 
          UM, SO, UH, AT THE 60% A M I LEVEL, WHICH IS THE KIND OF THE AVERAGE THING TO TALK ABOUT HERE, UM, A ONE BEDROOM IF WE WERE OPENING TODAY WOULD BE AT 741, A TWO BEDROOM AT 8 49 AND A THREE BEDROOM AT 1032. 
          IF I GO DOWN THE STREET TO, UM, I'M JUST PICKING ONE OUT, A OVERLOOK EXCHANGE, A TWO BEDROOM DOWN THERE IS AT 1,250. 
          THAT'S PRETTY HIGH. 
          YES. 
          SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
          YES. 
          WE'VE FOUND THAT ACROSS SAN ANTONIO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE AFTER JERRY MCGRAW. 
          YEAH, NO, AFTER JERRY. 
          YEAH, NOT JERRY. 
          THE ONE AFTER YOU JERRY THE, YEAH, IT WAS HIM, THE GUY IN THE GREEN SHIRT. 
          , IF YOU COULD COME UP I, SORRY, I FORGOT YOUR NAME. 
          ERIC. 
          ERIC. 
          I THOUGHT YOU BROUGHT OUT A REALLY INTERESTING POINT OF THIS BEING URBAN TIER TO SUBURBAN TIER. 
          AND IF YOU DO A REAL EAGLE EYE LOOK, YOU KNOW, ABOVE BIRD LOOK OF THIS AREA, THERE IT IS SUBURBANS, SUBURBAN , IT'S LATE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND THIS AREA. 
          SO, AND I I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING HOW YOU IDENTIFIED YOUR, YOUR COMMUNITY IN THAT LIGHT. 
          UM, AND THINK THAT THIS TYPE OF AN A DEVELOPMENT IS BRINGING URBAN INTO SUBURBAN. 
          SO GIVE US A LITTLE, A REAL SHORT, BUT YOUR, YOUR I YOUR THOUGHT BEHIND THAT I THOUGHT WAS, WAS GOOD BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE, YOU ARE INTRODUCING SOMETHING INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S NOT PROBABLY FAMILIAR TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND HOW DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THAT WOULD IMPACT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR THAT COMMUNITY AROUND YOU? I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST IMPACTING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH TRAFFIC AND DENSITY, BUT IT'S IMPACTING THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIVE THERE BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE ACCESS THAT THEY NEED THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A TYPICAL HIGH DENSITY AREA. 
          WE'VE, I'VE TAKEN THE BUS TO WORK, I WORK DOWNTOWN. 
          IT TAKES ME TWO HOURS TO GET TO WORK AND TWO HOURS TO GET BACK. 
          IF I DO THAT AND I WORK AN EIGHT HOUR DAY, I'M GONE FOR 12 HOURS FROM MY FAMILY. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT SOMEONE WANTS. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO FIND, PCOR NEEDS TO FIND A PLACE THAT'S A, A MORE AFFORDABLE PROPERTY THAT THEY DON'T NEED SO MUCH HELP FROM TAXPAYERS AND THEY NEED TO FIND A PLACE THAT IS MORE SUITABLE, THAT HAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK TO WORK, WALK TO JOBS, WALK TO PRODUCTS AND SERVICES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND UM, SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE PROPERTY SHOULD BE MAYBE MORE OF A C TWO C THREE? UM, APPARENTLY IT'S NON-ALCOHOL COMMERCIAL. 
          OKAY. 
          C TWO. 
          SO WHERE, WHERE DO YOU GUYS GO? IT LOOKS VERY RURAL OUT THERE. 
          WHERE DO YOU GUYS GO THAT IS PART OF THE PLAY AND EAT AND ALL THAT? THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I THINK THE RESIDENTS ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BEING COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN DAYS OF ALL YOU SEE, YOU DON'T SEE CHILIES AND ZS. 
          YOU SEE LITTLE MOM AND POP SHOP AND STRIP CENTERS AND THAT'S WHERE WE GO TO GET BREAKFAST. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE GO FOR DINNER. 
          IT'S NOT 300 CARS COMING AND GOING EVERY DAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS IN THAT AREA. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR JAMES ONCE MORE. 
          [04:00:02]
OKAY. 
          WHERE DO THESE PEOPLE GO? WHERE, HOW DO THEY GO GET ABOUT IF WE WERE DEALING WITH THOSE WHO HAVE A LOWER INCOME STATUS? PROBABLY ONE CAR AND THERE'S NOT A BUS ROUTE THERE AND THERE AREN'T A LOT OF JOBS THERE. 
          YOU'VE STUCK THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF TREES. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE NOT TREES. 
          I'M BEING FACETIOUS I SUPPOSE, OR DUMB, BUT I MEAN IT'S, IT'S JUST VERY RURAL THERE. 
          AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT UNFAMILIAR TO PEOPLE WHO OF LOWER STATUS AND INCOME NEED MORE OF THAT URBAN DEVELOPMENT AROUND THEM SO THAT THEY GO SHORT DISTANCES AND GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GET TO. 
          HOW IS THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING TO ASSIST IN THAT IF YOU'VE STUCK THEM WHERE THEY'VE GOTTA HAVE A CAR? WELL, I THINK FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS A BUS ROUTE THERE, BUT UM, DIRECTLY NORTH OF THERE THAT TURNS INTO DAYS OF ALL SOUTH AS PRU ROAD. 
          THOSE ARE CLOSE BY, THOSE ARE WALKABLE DISTANCES IF THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA WALK TO. 
          UM, WE PCOR, WHEN THEY'RE DOING THEIR EXAMINATION, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE CLOSE BY THAT THEIR RESIDENTS CAN USE. 
          AND THIS WAS IDENTIFIED AS ONE THAT COULD EASILY BE ACCOMMODATE THOSE. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, UM, IF I MAY, UM, PART OF OUR APPLICATION FOR THAT RESOLUTION OF NO OBJECTION, UH, IT'S BASED ON A NUMBER OF SCORING ITEMS, ONE OF WHICH IS PROXIMITY TO EMPLOYEE DENSITY. 
          WE ACTUALLY DID GET POINTS FOR THAT ITEM BECAUSE, UH, RIGHT AROUND DAYS OF ALLAH AND I 35 IS, UH, CLOSE ENOUGH THAT THE CITY'S POLICY THEY ADOPT, ADOPTED A POLICY THAT GAVE US POINTS ON THAT APPLICATION FOR BEING CLOSE ENOUGH TO THOSE JOBS AS FAR AS INTRODUCING HIGHER DENSITY INTO THE AREA. 
          IF WE GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP, YOU CAN SEE M THE THE PLAN MAY NOT MATCH RIGHT NOW, BUT THE ZONING IN THAT AREA, THERE IS A, THERE'S PLENTY OF DENSITY OF MF 33 THAT IS NOT BEING UTILIZED THERE NEEDS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MIX. 
          WE ARE NOT INTRODUCING DENSITY WHERE THERE IS NONE. 
          WE ARE LOOKING FOR A MIX OF DENSITIES AND, AND TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A, OF A PROPERTY THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED AND NOT JUST SIT LIKE THAT. 
          MF 33 THERE, WHAT WAS PLANNING PLANNING'S OBJECTIONS? THE MAIN OBJECTION FROM PLANNING I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE GENERAL URBAN TIER, IT'S, I MEAN WE KEEP REFERRING TO IT AS URBAN, BUT IT'S CALLED GENERAL URBAN FOR REASON BECAUSE IT IS A LARGER, UH, CONTEXT. 
          BUT THE GENERAL URBAN TIER ALLOWS UP TO MF 33. 
          THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUBURBAN AND GENERAL URBAN IS MF 25 AND MF 33. 
          WE WERE ONLY ASKING FOR 19 UNITS AN ACRE, BUT BECAUSE IT ALLOWED UP TO MF 33, THEY WEREN'T COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE, ESPECIALLY WITH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          SO IT REALLY, IN MY OPINION, IT WAS THE, THE, THE ALLOWANCE OF MF 33 BEING AVAILABLE UNDER GENERAL URBAN TIER. 
          BUT OUR SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT IS 19 UNITS AN ACRE. 
          AND DID THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOLLOW YOU AT, AT PLANNING AND, AND, UH, OBJECT, HAVE THEIR OBJECTIONS THERE DURING PLANNING? I GOT A FEW PEOPLE WITH US THERE, YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES, I'M TRYING TO THINK ON WHO TO ADDRESS THE, THE QUESTION TOO, I GUESS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY THAT'S ON BANDERA ROAD, THAT'S, IT'S A BASICALLY BANDERA, ECKARD AREA, RIGHT? UM, THAT'S BY THE SAME COMPANY AS WELL, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          HOW MANY, HOW MANY UNITS ARE THOSE? AND, AND, UM, AND, AND I, I KNOW I COULD LOOK REAL QUICK AND SEE WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR, BUT DO YOU KNOW RIGHT OFFHAND SO I DON'T HAVE TO YES. 
          WHAT IT'S ZONED AT, UH, THAT'S 296 UNITS. 
          AND I WILL POINT OUT TOO THAT, UH, THAT DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS COMPLETING CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND WE'VE STARTED LEASING UP, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TONIGHT, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS ALREADY BUILT TO TALK WITH THE H O A AND AGAIN, REINTRODUCE OURSELVES AS THOSE LONG-TERM OWNERS AND MANAGERS. 
          UM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT JUST AS WE ARE AT TRAILS AT LEON CREEK. 
          OOPS. 
          IS IT A SIMILAR A M I TARGET? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YES IT IS AND I BELIEVE IT'S MF 33 THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YEAH. 
          COULD I GET YOU TO BRING UP GOOGLE MAPS? 
          [04:05:07]
YOU COULD SCALE BACK TO WHERE YOU CAN GET A PICTURE OF PRU ROAD UP TO BABCOCK ROAD. 
          SO NOW IS THERE A WAY TO SPLIT YOUR SCREEN AND BRING BACK UP THE UM, ZONING UH, MAP THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED THAT SHOWED A LOT OF MULTI-FAMILY? SO MY POINT IS, WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT ZONING MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE INDEED JADE OAKS MAY NOT BE ZONED CORRECTLY. 
          UM, BUT TO POINT OUT THE 350 UNITS IS GOING IN THE BIG YELLOW BLOCK BASICALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, THERE IS NOT QUITE YET A LOT OF MF 33 LEFT. 
          UM, THE PIECES I GUESS ACROSS THE STREET FROM SPRINGTIME ALREADY HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT IN THERE. 
          THERE ARE ALREADY, FROM MY COUNT SIX APARTMENT COMPLEXES BETWEEN BABCOCK AND PRU. 
          DID STAFF TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE DENSITY OF THOSE UNITS AND HOW MANY APARTMENTS THERE ARE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VACANT MF PROPERTY THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET EXISTING? SO, YES. 
          SO FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANY INDICATION THAT, UM, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR MF OR BEING BUILT AS MF. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY HEARING MORE INDICATION THAT IT'S ACTUALLY BEING PROPOSED FOR SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT YES, WE DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION CURRENTLY ZONED PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED MF. 
          AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE HAVE BEEN ZONED MF FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND JUST HAVEN'T COME TO FRUITION. 
          UH, BUT CONSIDERING THAT MF 25 IS A LOW DENSITY, WE FELT THAT THE LOW DENSITY, UH, REQUEST WAS APPROPRIATE THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU WERE WITH ME ON THIS CASE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE THAT MF 33 WAS NOT DOWN ZONED. 
          IT IS LIMITED AT 750 UNITS AND AT THE COST OF THAT, THE SALE OF THAT PROPERTY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ACCORDING TO DEVELOPERS I'VE SPOKEN WITH, IT'S OUTSIDE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO MORE THAN LIKELY SOME HUGE MULTIFAMILY AMOUNT OF UNITS WILL BE COMING IN THERE. 
          SO MY QUESTION THEN IS KNOWING THAT THAT IS VERY LIKELY, EVEN IF IT'S 500 UNITS, DOES STAFF NOT CONSIDER THAT AS FAR AS SATURATION GIVEN ALL THE OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITHIN A MILE? AND AGAIN, WE DID CONSIDER THAT 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT ZONED MF 33. 
          MF 33 IS TYPICALLY A MEDIUM DENSITY TYPE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, IT, IT WASN'T, UH, A CONCERN FOR US TO, UH, RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR THIS CASE ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT THERE TODAY. 
          N NO, I MEAN, ZONING IS ABOUT FUTURE. 
          AND SO AGAIN, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED MF 33, BUT AGAIN, MF 33 IS A MEDIUM DENSITY LAND USE. 
          AND, AND THERE WAS, THERE WASN'T A CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR US TO RECOMMEND RESIDENTIAL LAND USE AT THIS CORNER. 
          SO WITH APPROXIMATELY 3000 PEOPLE THAT COULD BE COMING OFF OF THAT PROPERTY ALONE, THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED EXCESSIVE DENSITY POPULATION WISE. 
          SO AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, I DON'T THINK THAT 3000 WILL HIT THE ROAD ALL AT ONCE. 
          UH, BUT UH, YES, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT, UH, ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. 
          WE LOOKED AT CURRENT LAND USES AND DID NOT SEE AN ISSUE WITH THE REQUESTED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. 
          BUT DID STAFF NOT AGREE TWO YEARS AGO THAT IT WAS MORE LIKELY BETTER USE, BETTER LAND USE TO DOWN ZONE THIS PROPERTY FOR THAT PARTICULAR CASE? WE ACTUALLY WERE, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT WE PROCEED FORWARD AS PER THE C C R. 
          THE C C R WAS ASKING THAT WE LOOK AT THE, AT THE CURRENT ZONING AND RECOMMENDED A DIFFERENT ZONING AND THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED PER THE C C R. 
          SO YOU DID RECOMMEND A DIFFERENT ZONING? YES, WE WERE ASKED TO DO THAT FOR THE C C R. 
          RIGHT, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT? I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE C C R SAID. 
          AS, AS, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT GAVE US THE OPTION TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I THINK THE COUNCILMAN'S INSTRUCTIONS AT THAT TIME WERE TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF THE BEST LAND USE AND AT THAT TIME WE DID RECOMMEND, UH, CHANGING THAT ZONING FROM M ZONING FROM MF 33 TO, UH, SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, QUESTION FOUR, APPLICANT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, LET ME COMPLIMENT YOU BOTH 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS CASE AND I DO BELIEVE PETCO HAS A VERY NICE PRODUCT TO BE PUT OUT THERE. 
          UM, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE ARE HOW DO WE GET TO, TO JUST 21 KIDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? I CAN. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY BASED ON NORTH, UH, NORTH SIDE ISDS ESTIMATIONS. 
          I CONTACTED THEM AS I DO EVERY TIME THAT WE START ONE OF THESE PROCESSES, THEY HAVE A FACTOR THAT THEY USE. 
          THEY TAKE THE APARTMENT NUMBER TIMES X AND SPIT 
          [04:10:01]
OUT A NUMBER. 
          IN THIS CASE IT WAS 21 FOR THE ELEMENTARY IT WAS SEVEN OR EIGHT FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND I THINK EIGHT FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL. 
          AND AGAIN, I CANNOT PROMISE THAT THERE ARE ONLY GOING TO BE 21 ELEMENTARY STUDENTS THERE. 
          UM, OUR DEMOGRAPHICS WOULD PROBABLY INDICATE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT'S THE ISDS ESTIMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND CAN YOU BRING UP THE SITE PLAN? 'CAUSE I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THE, UM, THREE BUILDINGS, AND I GUESS THESE ARE THREE STORY BUILDINGS, IS THAT CORRECT? ON, ON THE SIDE, CLOSEST TO THE BACK C**K NORTH HOMES. 
          WHAT'S THE BUFFER GONNA BE? IS IT STILL 15 FEET? ARE YOU PUSHING BACK FROM THAT? WE'RE PUSHING BACK. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'VE OFFERED 20 FEET WITH, UH, A TIGHT BE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WHAT ABOUT THE FRONT ON BABCOCK? NOTHING ON BABCOCK AS FAR AS SETBACKS OR, UH, LANDSCAPING, BUT THE, THE FENCING, UH, I, I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT AS WELL. 
          THERE. 
          WE HAD ALREADY WANTED PERIMETER FENCING. 
          UM, ONE OF THE REQUESTS FROM MS. KOGAN WAS, UH, EIGHT FOOT FENCING. 
          AND WE SAID THAT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AS LONG AS I KNOW THAT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, EIGHT FOOT IS ALLOWED NEXT TO A MULTI-FAMILY COMPLEX, UM, I HAVE TO TALK TO STAFF ON WHETHER OR NOT IT NEXT TO THE, UH, THE SCHOOL AS WELL. 
          BUT WE WOULD AGREE TO THAT FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO, AND I, AND I KNOW THIS WILL ALL CHANGE ONCE T C I DOES THEIR STUDY WITH YOU GUYS, BUT IF THEY NEEDED TO CARVE OUT A D CELL LANE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           FOR TURNING. 
          YOU GUYS COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT FOR SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          I HAD A QUESTION, UH, TO ERIC AGAIN IF HE COULD COME UP. 
          ERIC DID. 
          ARE YOU, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF TANGLEWOOD OR NO? I LIVE IN BABCOCK NORTH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BABCOCK NORTH DOES NOT HAVE AN H O A THEY DID YEARS AGO. 
          JERRY WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT, BUT WE'VE NOT HAD AN OFFICIAL H O A. 
          OKAY. 
          WAS, UH, BUT TANGLEWOOD WAS, WERE THEY HERE TODAY? CINDY REPRESENTS TANGLEWOOD. 
          SHE WAS SAYING HOW THEY WERE NOT NOTIFIED. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS ACTUALLY CONTACTED BY THE DEVELOPER, WHICH IS THE ONLY REASON I KNEW ABOUT THIS. 
          AND WERE YOU AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? AND I COULD NOT MAKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I HAD TO CHOOSE WHICH MEETINGS I COULD ATTEND BECAUSE OF LIMITED TIME ON. 
          WAS ANYONE HERE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THAT WAS CINDY. 
          SHE WAS THE ONE THAT SPOKE. 
          CINDY. 
          OKAY. 
          LEMME TALK TO CINDY. 
          I THINK YOU'RE, UH, SO ARE YOU THE PRESIDENT OR PART OF THE TANGLEWOOD? H O A I'M THE TREASURER, VOLUNTEER TREASURER ON THE BOARD. 
          AND MY OTHER PERSON WITH ME IS ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER. 
          AND, UH, THEY ASKED ME TO REPRESENT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL IN JOBS. 
          THEY COULDN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TANGLEWOOD WAS AN OPPOSITION OF, OF THE PROJECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, AND WERE YOU A PLANNING COMMISSION? I WAS. 
          HOW MANY WERE THERE THAT SPOKE AGAINST IT? I WENT FOR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WELL, OVERALL, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OPPOSITIONS WERE THERE OPPOSITIONS FROM THE, ANYBODY THAT OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT? ON THE COMMISSION OR IN THE AUDIENCE? NO, IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          I WAS THERE FOR THE, FOR THE AUDIENCE BECAUSE MY GUYS CAN'T REALLY, BUT OVERALL, CAN YOU RECALL HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT PLANNING THAT OPPOSED THE PROJECT? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? ERIC WAS YOU? YOU, BUT THEY HAD OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          AND, WHICH I TOLD THE, I TOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT, THAT I HAD GATHERED THEIR INFORMATION AND WAS REPRESENTING THEM FOR JUST THAT REASON. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, I DID JUST WANNA SEE IF I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE A MOTION OR NOT, BUT I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT TANGLEWOOD OPPOSE THE PROJECT AND DIDN'T GET THE, UH, THE ZONING INFORMATION VIA MAIL ON TIME, THAT, THAT MAY BE IN THE RECORD, THAT TANGLEWOOD, UH, H O A, OPPOSES THE PROJECT PER, THEY HAVE BOARD MEMBERS HERE WHO HAVE STATED TO THAT FACT. 
          CORRECT. 
          I'M SORRY, IS THAT, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S A STAFF QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS IT NOTED, UM, MECO? YEAH. 
          UM, THEY WERE NOTIFIED I THINK BEFORE THE DECEMBER MEETING BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROBLEM. 
          THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MAILING LIST, UM, WHICH IS, 
          [04:15:01]
I JUST HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING IN WRITING FROM THEM. 
          UM, I'M TRACKING THEIR OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. 
          I JUST, JUST HAVEN'T HAD NOTHING IN WRITING, WRITING. 
          THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PUT IT IN MY ACCOUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO, WHEN I GET TO MY QUESTION, WHEN YOU GET TO YOUR QUESTIONS, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, SO IT, IT, IT, SO IS THAT A RULE? IT HAS TO BE IN WRITING, YES. 
          FOR IT TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED OF TELEPHONE CALL, VERBAL DOES, DOES NOT COUNT. 
          IT HAS TO BE IN WRITING. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A MAILED LETTER. 
          IT CAN BE AN EMAIL. 
          SO LONG AS WE HAVE THE INFORMATION FROM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT SPEAKS ON BEHALF. 
          BUT YES, IT HAS TO BE IN WRITING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UM, KAT, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THIS AS TANGLE WOULD'VE REGISTERED H O A? SO A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I WANNA SAY THEY, THEY USED TO BE A REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WITH THEIR, UM, WITH, AND THEY UPDATE IT MONTHLY. 
          THE CONTACT INFORMATION DID NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS ON IT. 
          IT WAS BLANK. 
          UH, SO THERE WAS NO PLACE FOR US TO SEND IT TO. 
          UH, SO WE ONLY SEND IT TO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SO LONG AS THE CONTACT INFORMATION IS UPDATED. 
          AND ALL OF THOSE CONTACT LISTS ARE, ARE POSTED ON THEIR, ON THE WEBSITE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH, WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          SO SINCE THEN, ONCE THEY MADE, ONCE THEY WERE MADE AWARE OF THAT, THEN THEY WENT AND WORKED WITH THAT DEPARTMENT TO UPDATE THE CONTACT INFORMATION. 
          BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE UPDATED MONTHLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          YEAH, SO I MEAN, THIS HAPPENS A LOT WITH HOAS 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP, UM, THE, THE CONTACT. 
          UH, BUT, UH, TANGLEWOOD DID KNOW ABOUT IT, TANGLEWOOD, WHAT IT WAS AT, UH, THE MEETINGS. 
          AND THEY DID SUBMIT A, A LETTER TO ME IN OPPOSITION. 
          SO I DEFINITELY SAW IT. 
          UM, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE WE CAN SAY, BUT THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND I SAW THE LETTER SAYING THEY ARE IN OPPOSITION. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT THIS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE KEEPING THEM FROM SAYING THAT IN ANY WAY. 
          I THINK I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT ON THE RECORD. 
          BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY NEED TO MAIL THE LETTER TO, TO STAFF AT ZONING IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE ON RECORD. 
          NO, I MEAN, AS LONG AS SOMEBODY GOT IT, WE JUST DIDN'T RECEIVE IT IN TIME TO DO OUR COUNT. 
          WE, AND WHAT WE DO IS WE ASK THAT PEOPLE SEND IT TO US THE DAY BEFORE, PRIOR TO THE HEARING, SO THAT WAY WE CAN PREPARE OUR, UM, OUR PRESENTATION WITH THE, THE NOTICE COUNT. 
          BUT AS LONG AS THE COMMISSION GETS THAT, THEY CAN NOTE THAT, UH, OR THEY CAN APPEAR AT THE MEETING AND SAY, WE'RE SUBMITTING OUR OPPOSITION OR WE'RE SUBMITTING OUR SUPPORT FOR Y'ALL TO CONSIDER THAT. 
          UH, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION. 
          I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THAT IS ON THE RECORD. 
          SO, UH, I'M, I'M GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A MOTION ON THIS AND THEN I WILL EXPLAIN WHY. 
          ARE YOU READY FOR THAT? UH, SO I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND, AS I DID THE LAST TIME, UH, FOR APPROVAL FOR, UM, ITEM NUMBER 10. 
          WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UM, WITH NO SECOND. 
          AND HELP ME WITH THE VERBIAGE AGAIN ON THAT. 
          UM, SO IT'S GONNA GO, UM, THIS IS THE SECOND, SECOND TIME BOOST DEANTE TO COME BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE HE COMES. 
          MADAM CHAIR, POINT OF INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME, SO IT WOULDN'T GO INTO CONTINUANCE. 
          SO IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THEN AS WE STATED BEFORE, IT WOULD BE A MOTION DENIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE, WHAT IS THE MOTION? I NEED A MOTION FOR APPROVAL ON ITEM 10. 
          AND I SECOND MADAM CHAIR. 
          POINT OF INFORMATION. 
          YES. 
          I BELIEVE THE MOTION WAS STATED BEFORE COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE CAME IN AND THERE WAS NO SECOND. 
          SO I, I DO PROTEST THAT THE COMMISSIONER WALKS IN AND  AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE, HE GIVES US A SECOND. 
          I THINK IT WAS CLEAR THAT THERE WAS NO SECOND. 
          AND THE MOTION FAILS. 
          IT IS DENIED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. 
          IF, IF I MAY, UM, I HAVE A HEALTH ISSUE THAT REQUIRES THAT I USE THE RESTROOM SOMETIMES MORE FREQUENTLY THAN MOST. 
          AND SO I DO APOLOGIZE THAT I HAD TO STEP OUT BRIEFLY, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THIS. 
          THE MOTION WAS NOT CLOSED. 
          I'VE SECONDED. 
          WE'RE GOOD? CORRECT. 
          MS. GWEN? HE ASKED THE CHAIR THE QUESTION BECAUSE I DID NOT HEAR YOU SAY THE MOTION HAS FAILED. 
          DIDN'T CLOSE THE MOTION. 
          UM, BEFORE HE GOT HERE, I WAS, I WAS INQUIRING, MAKING AN INQUIRY. 
          THEN THE SECOND IS STILL TIMELY, THE POINT POINTER INFORMATION, OR LET ME MAKE THAT POINT OF ORDER. 
          SO YOU LEAVE THE ROOM, THE COMMISSIONER ASKS YOU FOR HELP, AND YOU COME BACK INTO THE ROOM AND RUSH TO YOUR MIC AND SAY, I SECOND THE MOTION WHEN THE MOTION SAT HERE WITH NO SECOND. 
          AND I MADE IT CLEAR THERE'S NO SECOND. 
          SO THE NEXT ACTION IS, 
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IT FAILED FOR LACK OF EMOTION. 
          I DO TAKE SOME ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          NO ONE ASKED ME FOR HELP. 
          NO ONE MENTIONED ANYTHING TO ME OTHER THAN I NEEDED TO COME BACK, WHICH I WAS DOING AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE IN LIGHT OF MY NEED TO USE THE FACILITIES. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WENT IF YOU WENT. 
          YES, WE ALL HEARD THE COMMISSIONER ASK FOR YOUR RETURN. 
          SO FOR, I MEAN, THIS IS, IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY GOOD. 
          THERE ARE NO MICROPHONES IN THE MEN'S RESTROOM. 
          AND I THINK THAT OUR LEGAL COUNSEL NEEDS TO HAVE THE LAST WORD ON THIS. 
          IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          IMPORTANT. 
          I DO THINK THE CHAIR HAS THE LAST WORD. 
          AND SHE LOOKED FOR THE VERBIAGE TO THE STAFF. 
          AND THE STAFF KNOWS THAT THE VERBIAGE IS, THERE'S NO SECOND. 
          SO IT DIES FOR LACK OF A OF A SECOND. 
          THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS ASKING STAFF TO DO. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROMERO, GOD BLESS YOU. 
          YOU JUMPED IN AND ASKED FOR HELP FROM COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE WHO RUNS OVER HERE AND SAYS, I SECOND THE MOTION. 
          O OKAY, WELL, SO I HADN'T CLOSED IT YET. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT WITH, UH, WITH LEGAL. 
          I HADN'T TECHNICALLY CLOSED IT YET, I DON'T THINK. 
          UM, AND HE WASN'T IN THE ROOM, SO HE DID COME. 
          I, I JUST THINK LET'S JUST, UM, LET'S TALK IT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM, KEEP IT THAT I HAD NOT CLOSED THE MOTION YET. 
          AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO MAYBE HAVE A CHEAT SHEET WITH OUR PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE SO WE CAN MOVE MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY, UM, FROM NOW ON. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE A NICE LITTLE SHEET HERE, UM, FOR, UH, THE CHAIR SO THAT I CAN, UM, WORK. 
          SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE FLOOR AND WE ARE GOING TO, UM, OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO. 
          OKAY, I WILL TRY AND MAKE THIS BRIEF AND THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING OUT. 
          I'M SORRY I JUST COULD NOT GET AWAY FROM WORK LAST WEEK. 
          IT IS THE BEGINNING OF THE SEMESTER AND I COULD NOT GET AWAY FROM WORK, BUT I DID GET BRIEFED ON WHAT HAPPENED. 
          UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS AS A LAND USE ISSUE, UH, FROM TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. 
          UH, THIS IS NOT A RURAL AREA. 
          IT COULD NOT BE MORE, NOT A RURAL AREA. 
          SO THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF ALL OF A SUDDEN DUMPING IN A VERY DENSE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S NOT A DENSE DEVELOPMENT IN A RURAL AREA. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT A RURAL AREA EITHER. 
          SO I THINK WE CAN DISPENSE WITH THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION ON THE OTHER SIDE IS, IS IT JUST TOO MUCH THERE? THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF APARTMENTS OUT THERE. 
          UM, IS IT JUST TOO MUCH TO PUT IN MF 25? AND I THINK THAT KAT COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT. 
          SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT FIVE TIMES THAT THEY DO NOT SEE SATURATION HERE, EVEN ASSUMING THAT THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED, EVEN ASSUMING THAT THERE IS STILL ROOM FOR MF 25 IN HERE. 
          SO WE HAVE STAFF SAYING THAT THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE LAND USE. 
          I THINK FROM THE EARLIER CASE, IT'S CLEAR THAT I DON'T THINK C TWO AND C THREE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IS APPROPRIATE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          I BELIEVE MF 25 IS APPROPRIATE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD PLANNING PRINCIPLES. 
          MF 25 NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IS TEXTBOOK COMMON STUFF. 
          UM, AND IT'S WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. 
          NOW, ASIDE FROM THAT, THIS ACTUALLY ISN'T MF 25. 
          MF 25 WOULD ALLOW FOR 250 UNITS HERE. 
          THEY ARE ASKING FOR 192. 
          AND EVEN IF TANGLEWOOD, WHICH HAS DISCUSSED POSSIBLY HAVING SOME COVENANTS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE NOT IN SUPPORT, UH, IT HAS ALSO BEEN, IT WILL BE, UH, SUPPORTED THROUGH THAT RESOLUTION OF NON OBJECTIONS. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THE 192 WILL STICK. 
          SO THIS IS ONLY ABOUT 7% MORE UNITS THAN YOU WOULD HAVE WITH MF 18. 
          MF 18 WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I DO AGREE THAT WHAT HAPPENED AT PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY DID DENY IT, BUT, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE NUANCE TO THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MF 33 POSSIBILITY CHANGING TO THAT, THE URBAN LAND USE. 
          UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THIS IS AN ACCEPTABLE LAND USE. 
          AND THE OTHER THING THAT, UM, ERIC TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT WAS THE NATURE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE BEHIND THIS, UM, OFF OF, OFF OF ON SPRING, ON SPRING TRAIL, 
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UH, THAT THOSE ARE VERY SMALL LOTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY. 
          SO THEY ARE NOT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FROM A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT. 
          UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, TRAFFIC, I KNOW EVERYBODY, WHENEVER WE SEE TRAFFIC COUNTS, THERE IS ALWAYS ARGUMENT ABOUT IT. 
          AND I, I GET THAT. 
          I SEE THAT TOO. 
          ALL I CAN DO IS GO WITH THE STANDARDS. 
          TRAFFIC IS AN ISSUE HERE. 
          THIS WILL RESULT IN LOWER TRAFFIC, THEN WOULD COME IN WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. 
          SO WE HAVE A COMPLIMENTARY LAND USE COMING IN. 
          WE HAVE A TRAFFIC REDUCTION. 
          AND THEN THE BIGGER THING IS, I, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT THIS HERE, BUT I THINK SOMETHING JAMES SAID WAS REALLY IMPORTANT, THAT THIS IS NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A GROWING CITY. 
          IT IS WHAT'S IN THE ESSAY TOMORROW PLAN. 
          NOW, I KNOW SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE THAT CYNTHIA READ FROM THE CODE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ZONING IS THERE TO PREVENT CONGESTION AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING THINGS ABOUT THIS LANGUAGE. 
          THAT LANGUAGE COMES FROM 1926 WHEN WE GOT THE STANDARD ZONING ENABLING ACT. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK UP THAT ACT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THAT LANGUAGE CAME FROM. 
          THAT'S WHAT EVERY CITY PUT IN THEIR CODE. 
          BUT SINCE THEN, WE DO HAVE NEW PLANS. 
          AND SA TOMORROW DOES TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MORE DENSITY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S A POLICY. 
          THAT'S JUST THE POLICY. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH IT EITHER. 
          MAYBE IF WE HAD DIFFERENT ELECTED OFFICIALS, THEY MIGHT HAVE COME IN AND SAID WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NO GROWTH POLICY. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S POLICY. 
          AND, AND THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY, TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO GET A DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE. 
          UM, THE, THE, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GET INTO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE AND WHO'S GONNA LIVE THERE AND THE SCHOOL TAX, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT IS A POLICY THAT I ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO BUSINESS TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE CAN TALK TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT OR TO THE MAYOR ABOUT. 
          BUT THAT IS NOT A LAND USE ISSUE. 
          SO, UH, I JUST, I SEE IT AS, AS A COMPLIMENTARY LAND USE. 
          THERE IS NO LAND USE ARGUMENT THAT I CAN FIND TO MAKE AGAINST THIS. 
          AND SO I STAND BY MY MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMM UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          THIS, THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH, TOUGH, TOUGH CASE. 
          UM, AND, UH, TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER ROMERO SAID, THIS HAS NOT BEEN RURAL SINCE, SINCE I WAS AT MARSHALL BACK IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES. 
          SO THIS IS STRICTLY A SUBURBAN AREA. 
          UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, ECKERD ROAD, AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WE'VE, THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ON ECKERD ROAD, ALL MF 33, UM, AND THAT ACTUALLY SURPRISED ME. 
          WELL, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT IF I WONDER WHAT ALL THOSE ON ON ECOR ARE? I BET YOU THEY'RE JUST MF 25, MAYBE MF 18, AND I'M SEEING MF 33, MF 33. 
          UM, SO I, I STILL HAVEN'T REALLY DECIDED WHAT, WHAT, HOW I'M GONNA VOTE. 
          UM, BECAUSE MF 25 WOULD BE, I SAID IT WOULD BE A GOOD, UM, BUFFER BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY, BETWEEN COMMERCIAL, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, AND BABCOCK ROAD. 
          UM, AND I'M STRICTLY LOOKING AT THIS AS A LAND ISSUE. 
          UM, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE, UH, AFFORDABILITY PART OF IT. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT, UM, THAT IS SOMEWHAT THAT CAN GET OVERBLOWN. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING BUILT ON BANDURA ROAD, THAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY NICE APARTMENTS. 
          UM, EVEN MY DAD WHO STILL LIVES DOWN BANDERA ROAD, RIGHT THERE IS, IS IMPRESSED WITH THOSE APARTMENTS. 
          AND HE WAS FIRMLY AGAINST IT WHEN THEY WERE FIRST COMING IN. 
          UM, I, MY NEIGHBORHOOD BACKS UP TO TWO INCOME RESTRICTED APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND YET MY SON WALKS TO SCHOOL. 
          UM, IT, IT'S, IT, IT'S STRICTLY LAND ISSUE. 
          WHETHER MF 25, IF YOU JUST LOOKED AT A MAP, WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE? AND, AND RIGHT NOW I CAN, I CAN. 
          I SEE BOTH. 
          I SEE BOTH CASES. 
          I SEE, I SEE, I SEE WHY THE NEIGHBORS ARE UPSET, BUT I ALSO SEE WHY IT'S THE STAFF IS SAYING YES. 
          AND 
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HOPEFULLY Y'ALL CALLING ME LAST. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          , COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          YES, THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THOSE TODAY AND, UH, I'M REMINDED OF THE EARLIER CASE WHERE WE STOOD BY THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY CAME OUT AND VOCALIZED VERY LOUDLY THAT THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THAT AND WHAT THAT IMPACT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD DO FOR THEM. 
          AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          AND I THINK THE SAME THING IS TRUE HERE, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY ARGUING THAT THEY WANT SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. 
          THEY DON'T WANT MULTIFAMILY. 
          I'M ALSO GONNA STAND BY MY, UM, DISCUSSION EARLIER WITH STAFF THAT WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY INDICATION FROM STAFF THAT THEY FELT LIKE THE 33 OR 35 ACRES ACROSS THE STREET WITH MF 33 WOULD BE A BIT TOO MUCH. 
          AND THEY HAD, UH, JOINED WITH THE COUNCILMAN AND AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL. 
          NOW THAT MOTION FAILED BY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL. 
          BUT I STILL SAY THAT THE ARGUMENT IS TRUE TODAY. 
          SO IT'S WITH THAT IN MIND THAT I LOOK AT WHAT IS CONTRIBUTING ANOTHER 192 APARTMENTS GONNA DO 192 APARTMENTS AT THE MAC, MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF TWO PERSONS PER ROOM COULD BRING 600 PEOPLE ON A VERY TIGHT CORNER WHERE THERE IS NOT, EXCUSE ME, EASY ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY GIVEN THE TRAFFIC OF TODAY. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY TRAFFIC ASSUMPTIONS. 
          AND YET EVERY DAY WE SET WITH ALL OF OUR ASSUMPTIONS IN TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK. 
          AND IF EVERY ONE OF YOU WERE TO TRY TO GET OUT OF HERE, UH, THE DRIVEWAY AT THE SAME TIME, MAXIMUM PEAK TIME, WE'D HAVE A TRAFFIC LOG, UH, LOG IN. 
          SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. 
          IT'S JUST THE DENSITY OF THE MULTIFAMILY. 
          NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A BAD PROJECT. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          I THINK THEY DO A, A DECENT PRODUCT AND THERE IS A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY STUMBLED ON THE WRONG LOCATION FOR THIS. 
          AND IF THERE WEREN'T 700 UNITS ACROSS THE STREET, I STILL THINK I WOULD FEEL THE SAME. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK THE LOCATION BASED ON TRAFFIC AND THE NEED FOR COMMERCIAL GROWTH IN THAT AREA IS, IS OVER, IS OVERRIDDEN BY WHAT PEG CORE WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT DISCUSSION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          WELL, I GUESS A LAND USE DESIGN OF THE DAY IS PUT HOUSING ON VERY BUSY STREETS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SOME WANNA DO AGAIN TODAY. 
          UM, THE LAND USE IS APPROPRIATE AND THE CITIZENS CAME OUT, UH, C TWO, C ONE, C THREE. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED OVER THERE. 
          THOSE ARE THE PLACES THAT YOU GO TO GET YOUR NAILS DONE, TO GET A BARBER SHOP TO GO AND A SMALL DOCTOR VISIT TO TAKE YOUR VET TO CLINIC. 
          THAT'S WHAT SA 2020 IS ALSO ABOUT AS WELL, IS MAKING YOU GET, HAVE SHORT DISTANCES TO, TO THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT YOU'LL USE ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          BUT NO, WE WANNA PUT A MULTI-FAMILY THERE. 
          AND SO THEN YOU GOTTA GO FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND GOOD LUCK ON DODGING ALL THAT CARS ON. 
          I MEAN, SO IT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE LAND USE. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS DESIGNED UNDER THE LAND USE THOUGHT OF THE DAY TO BE COMMERCIAL. 
          AND IT'S STILL APPROPRIATE TODAY TO STAY COMMERCIAL SO THAT ALL OF THESE RESIDENCES AND TO PUT MORE RESIDENT, PUT MORE PEOPLE THERE, YOU ARE CHOKING THESE PEOPLE. 
          MY GOODNESS. 
          YOU'RE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE SCHOOL'S GONNA SURVIVE. 
          OKAY? I'M JUST GETTING VERY DRAMATIC HERE. 
          BUT, UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. 
          UH, YOU DO NEED TO GO DOWN THE ROAD, PET, PET CORE AND FIND SOMETHING THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AND NOT SO CONGESTED. 
          AND, UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO NEIGHBORS, I'M SORRY. 
          IF YOU HAD DOUBLED THE SIZE TODAY, LIKE THE FIRST, THE, THE CASE PREVIOUS, APPARENTLY NUMBERS MAKES A DIFFERENCE SOMETIMES, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CASE. 
          YOU'VE GONE TO YOUR MEETINGS, YOU'VE MADE YOUR OBJECTIONS EVEN IN AS, UH, ASSOCIATION, WHICH I, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG YOUR ASSOCIATION IS. 
          IS IT LIKE 2000 HOMES? WHAT IS TANGLEWOOD? A LOT? PROBABLY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT I'M SURE IT'S A LOT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, TANGLE WOOD'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. 
          I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT, IT WAS LIKE THE PLACE TO GO LIVE. 
          THOSE HOUSES WERE SO BEAUTIFUL. 
          I'M SURE THEY STILL ARE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TODAY AND I REALLY HOPE THE COMMISSIONERS LOOK AT YOU AND DOUBLE THE AMOUNT BECAUSE I'M, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE BEHIND EVERY ONE OF YOUR SHAKING HEADS THAT SAYS THIS 
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IS, THIS WILL CHOKE US. 
          WE WANNA KEEP IT COMMERCIAL. 
          AND I HOPE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HONOR THAT TODAY AND DENY THIS, UM, MOTION. 
          GOOD. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, BUSANTE, UM, WELL, I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE OF THE COMMUNITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS HERE. 
          I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROME AS A LAND USE ISSUE, AN MF 25 OR EFFECTIVE 19 IF THERE WERE SUCH A THING, UM, IS APPROPRIATE HERE. 
          AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE TO HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL, THE FACT IS IT HASN'T OCCURRED AND WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN THE PAST 25 YEARS. 
          I HATE TO GO BACK. 
          LET COMMISSIONER SIPSON RELY ON HIGH SCHOOL. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE I DATED A GIRL WHO LIVED IN BABCOCK NORTH MY FIRST YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH THERE. 
          1.5 MILES UP DAVALA ARE PIZZA JOINTS, FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, UH, HAIR SALONS DOWN TOWARDS PRU, LESS THAN A MILE. 
          THERE ARE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS HERE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S DESIRE FOR THAT COMMERCIAL USE. 
          IT HASN'T COME, I THINK GIVEN THE DENSITIES AROUND THERE, SUCH AS, FOR EXAMPLE, AT I 10 AND DALLA AND THERE AT PERU AND BABCOCK, IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT. 
          ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM THAT WAS CONTROVERSIAL AND DID REQUIRE A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT WAS THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS CITY. 
          THIS WOULD PROVIDE IT. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE THE BASES FOR MY SUPPORT HERE TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, GIBBONS. 
          OH, COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          YES. 
          AGAIN, I, I VOICED MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S APPRECIATION FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTS COMING OUT TO VOICE YOUR CONCERNS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THE LAND USE ALSO BECAUSE I USED TO DRIVE OUT THERE AND THERE USED TO BE A REALLY NICE ALBERTSONS OUT THERE THAT WOULD'VE PROVIDED YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOUR, SOME OF YOUR SERVICES. 
          BUT APPARENTLY IT HASN'T HAPPENED IN THESE FEW YEARS. 
          AND EVEN AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD WANT SOME COMMERCIAL ENTITY TO GO IN THERE, IT JUST HASN'T HAPPENED. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, WELL, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND FILL IT UP WITH MULTIFAMILY, I GUESS, BECAUSE NO ONE'S COME OUT TO YOUR PLACE TO PUT A PIZZA OUT THERE, BUT THEY WILL COME. 
          IT STILL DOESN'T SAY THAT THE, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE LAND USE. 
          IT IS APPROPRIATE LAND USE. 
          ALL OF THESE HOUSES AND ALL OF THESE APARTMENTS HAVE TO GO AND GET, GET SERVICES. 
          BUT AGAIN, TO GO DOWN THE ROAD AND SAY, LET'S PUT 'EM ON THE ROAD AND GO DOWN A MILE AND A HALF WHEN THEY COULD GO RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE AT, MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          SOMETIMES THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          YOU HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND FIND, LOOK AT THOSE BROKER SIGNS AND CALL THEM AND SAY, HEY, WE, WE WANT THIS. 
          BUT, UM, AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I GET THAT NOBODY'S DENYING THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR IT. 
          YOU, YOU ARE PUTTING, YOU ARE PUTTING A ROUND PEG AND A SQUARE HOLE, AND YOU GUYS HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE AND DOUBLE IT IN YOUR HEAD BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING CLASS, THEY'RE ALL AT THEIR JOBS TODAY. 
          THEY CAN'T MAKE IT TO THESE MEETINGS AND SIT HERE TILL SIX, SIX O'CLOCK. 
          AND LET'S BE FAIR TO THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, AGAIN, UM, MUCH APPRECIATION, UH, TO OUR, UH, FELLOW NEIGHBORS. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, CARING. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALL THE MEETINGS THAT YOU'VE, UH, COME OUT TO. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR STAYING HERE TILL SIX O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING. 
          UM, UM, I HEAR YOUR VOICES AND, UM, THE DESIRE FOR THE COMMERCIAL. 
          I ALSO, I'M, I'M CONFLICTED BECAUSE DEFINITELY, UM, WE DO HAVE A GREAT NEED, UM, FOR HOUSING HERE, UM, IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND SO IF EVERYBODY'S SAYING NOT NEXT TO ME, NOT NEXT TO ME, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GONNA PUT IT? UM, AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT THING, SO THIS IS PROBABLY NOT EVEN ZONING, IT'S JUST MY HUMAN HEART. 
          NO, NO , I, IT, I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME WHEN I HEAR, UM, PEOPLE DO CLASSES, UM, AGAINST WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY PROPERLY IN HERE IS WORKING CLASS. 
          I AM AT LEAST, AND TO AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT, UM, CRIME IS GOING TO COME AND THAT, UH, THESE ARE NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'D WANT TO 
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LIVE NEXT TO. 
          BUT, UM, SO ANYWAY, UM, I I HAVE A HARD TIME WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE MAKE THOSE KINDS OF, UH, STATEMENTS REGARDING, UM, POTENTIAL RENTERS AND PEOPLE LIVING THAT ARE WORKING. 
          THEY'RE WORKING, AND SO WE NEED THAT. 
          SO, BUT ANYWAY, UH, I'M GOING TO, UM, GO WITH THE, THE COMMUNITY IN THIS POINT, UM, WITH THEIR DESIRE TO KEEP IT COMMERCIAL. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I'VE ALREADY MADE MY MOTION. 
          I, I JUST WANNA, I'LL SAY ONE LAST THING. 
          I FEEL MY JOB IS TO ABSOLUTELY LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT MY DECISIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS DRIVEN BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT LAND USE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE OATH WE TAKE TO BE ON THIS BOARD. 
          AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH HOW MANY PEOPLE COME OUT. 
          IN BOTH CASES, I FEEL THAT C TWO IS INAPPROPRIATE RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THAT WAS THE CONSISTENCY IN MY ARGUMENT. 
          AND I STAND BY THAT. 
          I BELIEVE THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING HERE, AND I JUST STAND BY THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          NO. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          SO JUST TO REMIND YOU, UM, IF THERE, THE MOTION FAILS, IF THERE IS A SECOND MOTION, WE NEED TO, UH, HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. 
          IF NOT, THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING. 
          AND SO THIS CAN PROCEED FORWARD WITH, UM, A DEFAULT DENIAL DUE TO LACK OF A MOTION. 
          SO UNLESS WE HAVE HEAR A MOTION TO RECONSIDER BY SOMEONE FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE THAT VOTED NO AGAINST THE MOTION, UH, THEN IT WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO COUNSEL. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. 
          SO THAT MOTION FAILS FOR A LACK OF A SECOND, THEN IT PROCEEDS FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          [11. 19-9379  ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700298 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-5 H AHOD" Residential Single-Family Dignowity Hill Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 H AHOD” Low Intensity Infill Development Zone Dignowity Hill Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for three (3) dwelling units on Lot 12, Block 1, NCB 528, located at 415 Hays Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
ITEM 11 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING. 
          ITEM 11 IS THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FIVE TO I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS LOCATED AT FOUR 15 HAY STREET. 
          34 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          FIVE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN OPPOSITION. 
          THE EXISTING R FIVE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY BASED ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE PROPOSED I D Z ONE IS SUITABLE TO THE AREA AND PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OPTIONS WITH THE CONSIDERATION FOR THREE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS. 
          THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, WHICH ENCOURAGES THE REVITALIZATION OF NEIGHBORHOODS ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN. 
          AND TO EXTEND THESE EFFORTS TO REGIONAL CENTERS, URBAN CENTERS AND TRANSIT QUARTERS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M JUAN FERNANDEZ WITH C B F HOLMES. 
          UH, WE SPECIALIZE, WE'RE THE DEVELOPER AND OWNER OF THE PROJECT. 
          UH, WE SPECIALIZE IN VERY HIGH EFFICIENT, UH, HOMES OR HIGH PERFORMANCE HOMES. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN, UH, COMMITTED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TO CERTIFY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR PROJECTS UNDER THE ZERO ENERGY READY HOME. 
          AND WE ARE VERY PROUD, UH, THAT IN 2019 WE WON THE HOME INNOVATION AWARDS FROM, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, UH, THE FIRST BUILDER IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THE SECOND ONLY IN TEXAS TO BUILD THAT NATIONAL AWARD. 
          UH, WE'RE ALSO VERY PROUD TO BE, UH, THE BUILDER THAT HAS WON THE MOST TIMES THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SUSTAINA SUSTAINABILITY AWARDS. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE ONLY ONE OF THE FOUR PREMIER NEW HOME BUILDERS REGISTERED IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT I'M GOING WITH ALL OF THESE IS THAT WE TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN 
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THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF OUR PROJECTS. 
          UH, ON THIS LAND THAT WE PURCHASED, WE WERE PROPOSING TO BUILD FOUR HOMES. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WE, UH, THEY HAD CONCERNS ON THE DENSITY. 
          SO WE REDUCED THE DENSITY TO THREE UNITS INSTEAD OF FOUR. 
          UH, THE DENSITY THAT WE WERE PROPOSING, UM, COMPLIES WITH THE LAND USE, UH, OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. 
          AND, UH, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE, WE ARE ALSO, WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE SETBACKS AND ALSO THE LOOK OF THE HOMES FACING THE, THE STREETS. 
          SO WE WOULD ALIGN THE SETBACKS, UH, ON THE, ON THE HOUSES ON THE FRONT. 
          THEY WOULD ALL HAVE FRONT PORCHES, UH, THE HOUSES FACING THE STREETS, UH, TO, TO REPLICATE THE PATTERN OF THE, OF THE STREET. 
          AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE CARPORTS IN THE, IN THE REAR, SO THAT THERE ARE NO GARAGES, UH, SEEN FROM THE STREET. 
          SO THAT'S MORE OR LESS THE, THE PROJECT. 
          THESE ARE THREE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. 
          UM, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS MARK WILEY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, MARK WILEY. 
          I ACTUALLY LIVE AT FOUR 12 HAYES, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THEY'RE FACING THE PROPOSED, UH, LOT THAT WANTS TO BE REZONED. 
          AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DO OPPOSE THIS, THE, THE USE OF THIS. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, THE, THE SAME DEVELOPMENT HAS GONE IN JUST, I LIVE AT FOUR 12. 
          MY NEIGHBOR, MS. VALEZ, SHE COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. 
          SHE'S ILL, BUT SHE ALSO WANTS TO BE ON RECORD AS A, AS OPPOSING, UH, THE DEVELOP THE PROPO PROPOSING THREE HOUSES THERE, BUT RIGHT NEXT TO HER HOUSE, THE SAME DEVELOPER PUT IN FOUR UNITS. 
          AND I GUESS MY ISSUE WITH IT IS THAT, UH, THESE, THESE RESIDENTS, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HISTORIC. 
          IF, IF WE HAD A PICTURE OF 'EM, THEY'RE MORE LIKE URBAN TOWN HOMES. 
          THERE'S A PICTURE AND THERE'S A PICTURE I'LL GET, ANYWAY, MY, IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE LIVING THERE NOW OVER A YEAR, THE THE FOUR THAT ARE BUILT NOW, TWO OF THEM ARE USED EXTENSIVELY AS AIRBNBS. 
          AND THEY'RE, WHAT HAPPENS IS, I FEEL LIKE IT, IT, UH, THEY'RE MORE TRANSIENT NEIGHBORS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT VESTED NEIGHBORS THAT COME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANT TO PUT DOWN, UH, ROOTS. 
          AND SO WHAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF IS DIVIDING THAT LOT IN HALF AND HAVING ONE HOUSE HAVING TWO HOUSES. 
          ONE WITH ENTRANCE OFF PAYNE WAY AND ONE WITH ENTRANCE OFF HAY STREET. 
          BUT I WOULD WANT THE HOUSES TO LOOK LIKE THE HOUSES IN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HELD TO THE SAME HISTORIC STANDARDS. 
          I'M PUTTING IN, I'M PUTTING IN A GARAGE 30 SECONDS, AND I'VE HAD TO JUMP THROUGH ALL KIND OF HOOP HOOPS DOWN TO THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS. 
          AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN BUILD A SOMETHING IN ON THOSE LOTS THAT LOOKS LOOKING LIKE WHAT'S IN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ALL I HAVE TO SAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, WOULD UM, THE APPLICANT LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO RESPOND FINE, JUST TO SATISFY THE HOMEOWNER, THERE'S A PICTURE HERE WHERE, WHERE SHOWS THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT HE WHAT? YEAH, YOU SHOWED IT. 
          ONE OF THOSE SHOWS. 
          THE OTHER HOUSES, THE ONLY THERE THAT ONE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE HOUSES. 
          THOSE WERE DESIGNED BY A ARCHITECTS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, ALL OF THE, THEY HAVE A FRONT PORCH FACING THE STREET, HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS AS THE, AS THE, AS THE OTHER HOUSES. 
          THIS IS A VACANT LOT. 
          WE DO NOT WANT TO CREATE A FALSE HISTORICISM PROJECT, SO WE WANNA HAVE SOMETHING THAT BLENDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S NEW. 
          UH, THEY'RE VERY ENERGY EFFICIENT HOMES. 
          THEY WANT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO GREEN BUILDING AWARDS AND THEY WANT, UM, BUILT SANTANA GREEN BEST INFILL DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. 
          UM, AS, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE, UH, WE ARE WITHIN THE LAND USE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE THINK, UH, THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING SATISFIES THE, THE, THE FUTURE PLAN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THE ABSENCE OF, UH, COMMISSIONER TOSEN. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, PLEASE. 
          UM, STAFF QUESTION FOR STAFF, IF I UNDERSTAND 
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OUR MEMO CORRECTLY, CURRENT, UNDER CURRENT ZONING, HE COULD HAVE THREE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS. 
          YES. 
          WITH I D Z ONE, UM, YOUR MAXIMUM DENSITY IS MF 18. 
          AND SO, UM, HE COME, HE CAN COME IN AT, UH, I THINK IT'S FOUR, ABOUT FOUR ALMOST. 
          YEAH, FOUR UNITS. 
          BUT, UM, THAT DENSITY IS, IT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THE AREA. 
          AND UNDER CURRENT ZONING, HOW MANY UNITS COULD HE HAVE? SO IT'S R FIVE, SO IT JUST NEEDS TO MEET A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZE. 
          AND SO, UM, LET'S JUST ASSUME YOU CUT IT IN HALF WOULD BE TWO. 
          'CAUSE EACH ONE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT, UM, FRONTS ON A PUBLIC STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE, MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE STAFF. 
          UM, WHERE DOES HIS PROPERTY BEGIN AND HIS NEIGHBOR'S END? IS IT RIGHT ON THE DRIVEWAY? IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE, THE RED SHADED AREA, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CAR PARKED RIGHT THERE. 
          IS THAT, THAT THAT'S PART OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IT'S JUST THAT, THAT'S PART OF YOUR PROPERTY DRAWING THAT THE ENGINEER DID, BUT THAT'S ALL OF THE, OF ALL OF THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING HOW YOUR RESIDENCE WERE GONNA GET IN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR AND YOUR NEIGHBOR'S ALREADY PARKING ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          I THINK THEY DON'T, DO NOT HAVE THIS. 
          CAN YOU PROJECT THAT, THAT WASN'T INCLUDED? THAT SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE CARPORTS AND SO CAN BARELY WELL SEE EXACTLY THERE. 
          AND AS OF, AS OF NOW, THERE ARE ONLY THE BOXES, BUT JUST FOR THE LAYOUT OF THE CARPORTS AND THEY'RE NOT, NOT, THEY'RE SIDE BY SIDE CARPORTS, NOT, UM, IN TANDEM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER EGRESS WOULD BE ON, UH, FEIN. 
          FEIN AWAY. 
          YES. 
          FENWAY. 
          THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, UM, A DIRT ALLEY, ISN'T IT? YEAH, WE WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO A PART OF YOUR PLAN IS TO IMPROVE THAT? YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THIS IS A HISTORIC OVERLAY, RIGHT? HAVE YOU GOTTEN PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FROM THE H D R C? NO. 
          NO. 
          THIS IS JUST OUR FIRST APPROACH TO, TO THE ZONING. 
          BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO GO TO H D R C FOR ANY DESIGN APPROVAL. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S BEYOND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? YES. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          SO YOUR PROPOSAL, UM, YOU HAVE A DRIVE THAT CONTINUES THROUGH EXITS ON THE ALLEY. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT TWO ACCESS POINTS. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET DOES NOT. 
          THAT IT'S A, AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY? THE ONE THAT CROSSED THE STREET, STREET ONE THAT'S HAS FOUR UNITS HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          THE, THE THING IS THAT THE OTHER ONE, THE, THE HOUSE IS OFFSET A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE THE DRIVER ALL THE WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE LAST HOUSE, IT'S OFFSET. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU ACCESS IT THROUGH THE ALLEY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UM, THE FRONT DOOR OF THESE ARE NOT FACING HAY STREET. 
          THEY'RE FACING THE DRIVEWAY. 
          NO, THEY WILL BE FACING THE HAY STREET. 
          SO THE FRONT PORCH, WHAT THREE OF THEM WAS, WILL BE FACING? JUST THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS FACING THE STREET. 
          RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST THE BOXES SHOWING THE, THE WAY THE ENGINEER LAID, LAID THEM OUT. 
          BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSES ARE GONNA FRONT THE STREETS. 
          THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A FRONT PORCH. 
          ALL THREE OF THEM. 
          WELL, EACH OF THE TWO HOUSES THAT FACE FACES THE TWO STREETS. 
          THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE MIGHT HAVE THE ENTRANCE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          ALRIGHT, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          SO THIS IS A DISTRICT TWO CASE. 
          AND THEN, UH, BRIEFING, UH, COMMISSIONER TOLSON SAID THAT HE WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS CASE. 
          SO I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL FOR ITEM 11. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A FOR DENIAL. 
          AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          UM, DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          ON MY RIGHT. 
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COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? OH, I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT. 
          WELL, UH, NO, NO REASON FOR THE DENIAL. 
          JUST YOU DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONER'S PREFERENCE? THAT'S ALL. 
          HE SAID. 
          THE COMMISSIONER GAVE YOU A DENIAL AND NO REASON FOR THE DENIAL. 
          AGAIN, THAT WAS HIS PREFERENCE. 
          HE DIDN'T REALLY GO INTO DETAIL. 
          AGAIN, MY PURPOSE HERE IS TO JUST KIND OF CARRY OUT WHATEVER YOUR DISTRICT'S PREFERENCE IS. 
          I TAKE OFF MY MAYOR HAT TO PUT ON THE DISTRICT TWO HAT. 
          NO, I, I'M, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I JUST WOULD'VE LIKED AN EX EXPLANATION. 
          AND IN THESE NOT HERE TO DO THAT TO THE APPLICANT, I, I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT A DENIAL, SUPPORT A CONTINUANCE AT THAT POINT. 
          AND, AND DISTRICT TWO NEEDS TO SHOW UP. 
          I THINK WE HAVE A, UH, VACANT LOT THAT'S NOT BEING USED. 
          AND ALSO IT'S IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. 
          AND, UH, WE GOT AN AWARD-WINNING HOME BUILDER WILLING TO, UH, UH, PUT HIS MONEY AND, UH, DOING A PROJECT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          SERIOUSLY. 
          ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT OR RIGHT? COMMISSIONER ROMERO. 
          MADAM COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY, I'LL GET YOU AFTER COMMISSIONER ROMERO, THEN, THEN IT'LL BE YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE BECAUSE THIS IS A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT, POSSIBLY THE OBJECTION CAME FROM BRINGING IN THREE HOMES WHERE THERE'S NOT TYPICALLY, UM, THIS MUCH DENSITY ON THE LOT. 
          UH, SO I, I'M BETTER AT THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          YEAH, I AM ALSO CURIOUS WHY WE WOULD, UM, DENY THIS AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A CONTINUANCE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, I TOO WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, MYSELF WITH A CONTINUANCE AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION, UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? NO. 
          MADAM CHAIR, NO. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          SO YOU CAN DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IF THERE IS NO MOTION. 
          THIS AUTOMATICALLY COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. 
          NEXT CASE YOU WANT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER? NO. 
          NOPE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER 12, PLEASE. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M SORRY, MR. PEPE? YEAH. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A, UH, TWO MINUTES, LIKE A TWO MINUTE BREAK. 
          MADAM CHAIR, WE HAVE A QUORUM WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. 
          BACK TO ORDER AT 6:26 PM GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 
          [12. 20-1347 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700308 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-1 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 14, Block 1, NCB 6111, located at 906 South Navidad Street. Staff reccomends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)]
12, LOCATED AT 9 0 6 SOUTH NAIDA STREET IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R 1 38. 
          NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          NONE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS AND NEW RELATIONS TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND I'M NOT SURE THAT MY APPLICANT IS HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           IS THE APPLICANT HERE? JAIME LOPEZ? I MIGHT BE IN THE BATHROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING A PRE PAUSE TO CHECK TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT IS SOMEWHERE NEARBY. 
          NO, THAT'S NOT HIM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          . 
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MM-HMM. 
          ? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OH, HE'S NOT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK WHO'S BEEN WAITING ALL THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. 
          MAY WE HAVE A ? WE OH, COME ON, ON UP. 
          MS. HOFFMAN . 
          YES, MS. HOFFMAN. 
          BLESS YOU. 
          BLESS YOU. 
          UH, I, I THINK THIS WOULD BE, UH, SIMPLE. 
          UM, IMAN FROM HISTORIC WEST SIDE AND, UH, WE, WE DID SPEAK WITH MR. LOPEZ AND, UM, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. 
          WE'RE JUST ASKING HIM TO PLEASE COME AND DO A PRESENTATION TO THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TO SHOW US HIS PLANS AND TO TALK WITH THE NEIGHBORS. 
          AND, AND HE'S FINE WITH THAT, BUT HE NEEDS MORE TIME BECAUSE HE HAS TO DRAW UP THE, THE PLANS. 
          SO HE'LL BE COMING TO OUR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING IN FEBRUARY. 
          SO IF WE MAY ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MS. HOFFMAN. 
          OKAY, MS. HOFFMAN, WHAT, WHAT DAY IS YOUR MEETING IN FEBRUARY? UH, FEBRUARY THE 11TH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          IN LIGHT OF THAT, I'D MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY, UH, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          COMMISSIONER LORIANN TENNIS PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          THIS 
          [13. 19-9406 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700309 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "RM-4 AHOD" Residential Mixed Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-2 AHOD" Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for seven (7) residential dwelling units on Lot 19, Block 14, NCB 611, located at 220 South Olive Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Lorianne Thennes, Planner (210) 207-7945, lorianne.thennes, Development Services Department)]
IS ITEM NUMBER 13, LOCATED AT TWO 20 SOUTH OLIVE STREET, AND IT'S A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM RMM FOUR TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SEVEN DWELLING UNITS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DID NOT SAY THE COUNTS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UH, 34 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION, AND DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          AGAIN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HELLO AGAIN, BRIEFLY , SAME THING, SAME CONCEPTS. 
           . 
          UH, WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FROM TALKING WITH THE, WITH MY NEIGHBOR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, H HIS, HE HAS TWO CONCERNS. 
          ONE THAT HE'S GONNA EXPRESS AND THE OTHER ONE IS RELATED TO HEIGHT. 
          WHAT I JUST TOLD HIM IS RMM FOUR. 
          WHAT ALLOWS HIS 35 FOOT? I'M NOT GONNA GO ABOVE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BILL HY NER, FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER RAMAZ. 
          MY NAME IS WILLIAM HENER. 
          I LIVE AT 1123 WYOMING. 
          UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THAT, THAT LOT, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE ABILITY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DEVELOP IT BASED ON THAT ZONING. 
          WHAT CONCERNS ME THE MOST IS ONCE YOU START CHANGING ZONING IN THAT BLOCK, THEN HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY NOT CONTINUING TO CHANGE IT AS THESE REQUESTS COME FORWARD? THE, UH, THERE'S NEW REGULATIONS FROM THE CITY CONCERNING HEIGHT FOR RMM FOUR. 
          AND I THINK I, I, I DON'T SEE A A A NEED FOR THIS TO BE CHANGED AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, I KNOW THAT THERE IS, UM, A LETTER FROM THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION. 
          THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION, WHICH I AM A MEMBER, HAS NOT HAD A MEETING SINCE OCTOBER 13TH. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST THING. 
          THE SECOND THING IS AT THE, THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AND AT THE OCTOBER MEETING, THE ELECTION WAS CONTESTED AND THE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S SIGNING THE LETTERS IS NEVER BRINGING ANY OF THIS INFORMATION TO THE MEMBERSHIP. 
          IT'S BASICALLY A RUBBER STAMP. 
          AND SO I HAVE MY CONCERNS THERE, BUT I DO FEEL THAT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT TO THE BENEFIT OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. 
          I, HERE'S SEVEN YEARS, EIGHT YEARS, UM, THERE WERE PICTURES, 30 SECONDS 
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THAT WERE SHOWN EARLIER. 
          SOME OF THOSE HOUSES ARE IN, IN DENVER HEIGHTS. 
          SOME OF THE ONES THAT HE ALSO SHOWED ARE ALSO IN DENVER HEIGHTS. 
          BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME HOUSES THAT ARE WELL TAKEN CARE OF AND PEOPLE THAT ARE PROUD OF THEIR PROPERTY AND WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND SO I THINK BY ALLOWING THIS, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKE IT AN UNFRIENDLY PACE PLACE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IF WE CONTINUE TO CHANGE THE ZONING. 
          TWO MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JENNIFER RAMAS. 
          . 
           JENNIFER RAMAGE, 1 1 2 3 WYOMING STREET. 
          I HATE PUBLIC SPEAKING . 
          SO, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE EXHAUSTED, BUT WE'VE SAT HERE FOR FIVE HOURS BECAUSE WE REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK FROM THE HEART. 
          YOU SAID SOME THINGS EARLIER THAT RESONATED WITH EVERYTHING THAT I FEEL ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY WORKING CLASS. 
          IT'S A WORKING CLASS COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT WAS PAINTED UP HERE EARLIER. 
          AND WHAT YOU SEE HAPPENING IN DENVER HEIGHTS RIGHT NOW. 
          I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE ALL GONNA BE SEEING A LOT OF EACH OTHER BECAUSE IT'S CONSTANT. 
          IT'S ENORMOUS GROWTH. 
          THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. 
          IT'S NOT SLUMS EVERYWHERE. 
          THERE ARE HOUSES THAT ARE FALLING APART. 
          THERE ARE ALSO FOUR HOUSES ON OUR STREET IN THE LAST YEAR THAT HAVE BEEN REHABBED, THAT HAVE FAMILIES IN THEM LIKE MINE, MY EIGHT YEAR OLD'S BACK THERE SITTING THERE AND ENDURING ALL OF THIS TOO . 
          YOU KNOW, UM, DON'T LET THIS PICTURE BE PAINTED THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED IMPROVEMENT. 
          ANYTHING IS BETTER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          YOU LOOK AT AUSTIN, YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE GROWN LIKE THIS, THESE ARE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT BETWEEN THE 19 HUNDREDS AND THE 1920S. 
          AND SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED AND TORN DOWN. 
          BUT THIS TYPE OF BUILDING IMPACTS THE FABRIC OF THAT COMMUNITY. 
          IT, IT IMPACTS THE VIBE AND THE FEEL OF IT. 
          WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO MAKE IT AMAZING, BUT ONCE IT'S GONE, IT'S GONE. 
          AND THERE IS NO GOING BACK. 
          SO MY HUSBAND ADDRESSED THE IMMEDIATE CONCERNS AND THE HEIGHTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. 
          THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE AN INTEREST, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE COMMUNITY'S INTEREST. 
          20 SECONDS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ALL THE WORK TODAY AND YOUR PATIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HA UH, LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO RESPOND BRIEFLY. 
           TAKEN A LOT, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE. 
          I DO AGREE THAT YEAH, WE DO HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHARACTER AS I HAVE SHOWN, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHENEVER I GET INTO A PROJECT, WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING THERE AS THE MUSEUM PASTOR'S HOUSE, THE OTHER VICTORIAN HOUSE, I REHAB IT AND I KEEP IT. 
          BUT THIS IS AN, AN A VACANT LOT. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN JUST HAVING TRASH AS THIS, THE, THIS PLACE IS SOMETIMES THEY HAVE, WELL, IT'S BETTER FOR ME AS I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, TO DEVELOP THEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, IN THE ABSENCE OF, UH, COMMISSIONER TOSEN, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL IN LIGHT OF THE EARLIER CASE AND THE ONE JUST BEFORE THIS, UH, SINCE COMMISSIONER TOLSON IS NOT HERE TONIGHT, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, UH, CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS OR I GUESS TO FEBRUARY 4TH SO THAT HE CAN COME BACK AND LEAD THIS CASE? NO ISSUES, NO TROUBLES. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WITH THAT, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO JUST CONTINUE THE CASE TO FEBRUARY 4TH. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A SECOND TO FEBRUARY 4TH. 
          UM, I MEAN A MOTION  AND A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY, UM, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO, I JUST FEEL SO BAD FOR THE CITIZENS WHO JUST SPOKE AND THEY'VE BEEN HERE ALL DAY. 
          CAN WE JUST LIKE, MAKE THIS BE THE FIRST ONE THAT'S HEARD NEXT TIME OR SOMETHING LIKE IT, IT'S GONNA FALL IN LINE WITH THE OTHER, UH, CONTINUANCES THAT GO TO TWO FOUR. 
          AFTER THAT IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE PRO THERE WEREN'T ALL THAT MANY CONTINUANCES TODAY. 
          THEY'RE ALL FROM DISTRICT TWO, BUT, AND THEN MAYBE THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR YOU TO GET WITH, UH, GET WITH THEM IF YOU GOT TIME. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          BY THE WAY, YOU'RE REALLY GOOD AT PUBLIC SPEAKING. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          UM, SO I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE ONE THAT DOESN'T WANNA PUBLIC SPEAK. 
          AND, UM, SO WHAT I WANNA DO IS, IS GO DOWN TO DENVER HEIGHTS AND LOOK AT IT. 
          BUT COULD YOU TELL ME 
          [05:10:01]
WHAT IS THE CHARACTER I SHOULD BE LOOKING AT? IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE IT ONE WORD?  REALLY QUICK, WHAT SHOULD I LOOK AT? BECAUSE I'M GONNA PUT ON MY OWN TYPE OF LENS. 
          WHAT IS THE LENS YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO SEE THESE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AT? IF IT'S GOING TO, IF YOU SAY THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF CHANGES COMING, AND I, I'LL MAKE THAT EFFORT TO GO DOWN THERE SO THAT I CAN HEAR YOUR SIDE OF THIS CASE. 
          I WOULD TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER. 
          WE WOULD INVITE YOU FOR DINNER TO COME TO OUR HOME, BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU SEE THERE, COMMUNITY, I'VE LIVED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          I, I'M FROM TENNESSEE. 
          I'VE LIVED ON A 1700 ACRE RANCH, AND NOW I LIVE A BLOCK AND A HALF FROM THE ALAMO DOME. 
          MY NEIGHBORS, THEY'VE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS. 
          THE LITTLE OLD MAN, THREE HOUSES DOWN HAS A, UM, HOBBY TRAIN TRACK IN HIS GARAGE THAT HE SET UP THAT HE WAS TELLING MY DAUGHTER ABOUT. 
          OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, THEY SHARE THEIR FRUIT WITH US. 
          UM, , WE MOVED INTO THAT HOUSE LIKE THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES. 
          OKAY, IT WAS SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          THE TRUCK WAS PILED DOWN, WE'RE EXHAUSTED. 
          HE COMES OUT THE FIRST NIGHT AND HE OFFERS US CHICKEN. 
          HE HAD JUST FINISHED GRILLING AND TO HELP US TAKE OUR THINGS OFF. 
          I HAVEN'T LIVED SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT IN 20 YEARS. 
          I, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT DESTROYED AS THESE THINGS GO INTO PLACE, THERE ARE GARAGES UNDERNEATH THEM. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A GARAGE, SO WE ALL SEE EACH OTHER WHEN WE SAY HI AND WE WAVE ACROSS THE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE FENCE. 
          THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE BUILDINGS, EITHER THEY'RE AIRBNB OR THEY GO STRAIGHT IN IT. 
          IT ACTUALLY CHANGES THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHERE DO YOU LIVE AND WHAT WOULD WE EAT? NO, I'M JUST, UH, . 
          I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          I THINK I'M HUNGRY. 
          . 
          WELL SAID. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT TO HEART, SO WHEN WE COME BACK, I'LL, I'LL HAVE THAT IN MIND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, YES, UH, LEGAL COUNSEL  FOR FUTURE REFERENCES. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH,  COMMISSIONERS COULD DO WITHOUT NOT FOLLOW. 
          IT'S CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, THIS IS CONTINUANCE, CORRECT? UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. 
          AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          ITEM NUMBER 15, MICHAEL. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 15, 
          [15. 20-1348 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700313 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 AHOD" Low Intensity Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for two (2) dwelling units on the north 97-feet of Lot A11, and the north 97-feet of the west 5.6-feet of Lot A12, NCB 1720, located at 302 East French Place. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)]
LOCATED AT 3 0 2 EAST FRENCH PLACE IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R SIX TO I D Z ONE FOR TWO UNITS FOR 42 NOTICES WERE NAILED MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          NONE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. 
          THERE WAS A STATEMENT OF NON OPPOSITION FROM THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING AND CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME'S JAKE ODER. 
          UH, 1856 LOCK HILLS SELMA. 
          UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, AND I'M GLAD THIS IS NOT A GAS STATION OR MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, SO, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REZONING, UM, THAT THE OWNER IS ALSO A BUILDER AND HE WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VACANT LOT NOW AND HE WANTS TO BUILD ON THIS. 
          UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS LOT, IT'S CURRENTLY UNPLED, UH, AND IT DOESN'T MEET THE CURRENT ZONING SIZE. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, AND IF WE WERE TO GO AND BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT ON THIS LOT, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, EASEMENTS, BASICALLY GONNA MAKE THIS LOT PRETTY MUCH UNBUILDABLE UNLESS WE GET IT REZONED. 
          KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. 
          UH, WE FEEL LIKE THE, UH, THE, THE ZONING FOR THIS AREA, WHICH IS, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN LIKE, UH, OR VERY CLOSE TO THIS IN THE AREA. 
          UM, AND IT, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN LINE WITH THE MIDTOWN REGIONAL, UM, PLAN THAT'S ALREADY PROPOSED FOR THIS AREA JUST BACK IN, UH, LAST JUNE. 
          SO, UM, THE DENSITIES MEET THE, WHAT THE, THE ZONING WOULD BE, UH, FOR THE I D Z. 
          [05:15:03]
UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THEY WANNA BUILD TWO, TWO, UM, TWO HOMES ON, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA REPL IT INTO TWO LOTS AND THEN EACH LOT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN HOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. 
          OPEN TO YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? RICK SHELL. 
          HELLO COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, RICK SHELL, FOUR 30 EAST MISTLETOE AVENUE. 
          I AM THE ZONING EN DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE CHAIR FOR TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY ASK TODAY TO JUST HAVE A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE ON THIS CASE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, WE DID NOT GET OUR USUAL NOTIFICATION ON THIS. 
          UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE DIDN'T GET THE THING IN THE MAIL AND SO WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND HAVE NOT HAD MUCH TIME TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT, UH, TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THEIR PROJECT. 
          I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, BUT ESPECIALLY BEFORE WE PUT AN I D Z UH, PROPERTY UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IF YOU TAKE A LOOK OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, IT'S A LOT OF R SIX, IT'S A LOT OF RMM FOUR, UH, AND THE ID Z IS A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE THAN THAT. 
          SO WE DO WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THEM. 
          WE HAVE A MEETING NEXT TUESDAY EVENING ALREADY SCHEDULED SO WE CAN SCHEDULE WITH THEM TO GO AND SIT DOWN WITH THEM AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, ASK THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ASK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE, UH, EITHER OPPOSING AND THE REASONS WHY OR, UH, COMING IN SUPPORT AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PROJECT HAS THAT PROPER FOOTING BEFORE IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, . 
          UM, YES. 
          ANY ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU MR. SHE FOR WAITING ALL THIS TIME. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU, UH, IN COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S ABSENCE. 
          UH, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, UH, MR. DER IN LIGHT OF THAT REQUEST. 
          UM, IS THAT OKAY? TWO WEEKS CONTINUANCE? YEAH, BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO MEET AND IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE ASKED ME TO ASK FOR. 
          NOW IN LIGHT OF THAT MADAM CHAIR, I'M GONNA MOVE FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE TO THE FEBRUARY 4TH MEETING FOR THIS ITEM. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE FEBRUARY 4TH MEETING WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YEAH. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          AND MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          OOPS. 
          AND MR. SIPES . 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          MERCEDES REVA, SENIOR PLANNER IN ZONING. 
          ITEM 23 IS 
          [23. 20-1374 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700327 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 HS MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Historical Significant Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 45, NCB 9483, located at 2914 Pleasanton Road. Staff recommends Denial. (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, Mercedes.Rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
A REQUEST TO CHANGE A ZONING FROM C TWO HS. 
          M L O D TWO M L R TWO A H O D TO C TWO MLO, D TWO M L R TWO A H O D AT 2 9 1 4 PLEASANTON ROAD. 
          14. 
          NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET SIT ARE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. 
          AND THERE, THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE, WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS RENEE RUIZ. 
          I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, OWNER WHO'S JOHN UH DAVIS. 
          HE WAS HERE, UH, HE ASKED ME TO, UH, LET YOU KNOW, HE WISHED HE COULD HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT HE HAD TO LEAVE AT ABOUT FIVE 30. 
          IT'S HIS DAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY, AND HE WAS TAKING HER OUT TO DINNER. 
          UM, WHAT WHAT WE'RE ASKING WITH THIS APPLICATION IS BASICALLY TO RIGHT A WRONG, UH, WE ARE ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT THE HISTORIC STATUS BE REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY. 
          WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT MY CLIENT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY THINKING THAT IT WAS C TWO AND THAT HE'D BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING THAT WAS ALLOWED IN C TWO ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER ON THAT IT HAD BEEN DESIGNATED HISTORIC AND THAT IT HAS ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS THAT GO WITH HISTORIC PROPERTY. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE REMOVED. 
          WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT IN 2002, THE THEN OWNER MADE AN APPLICATION TO THE CITY FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC, AND IT WAS GRANTED, BUT THE CITY DIDN'T DO WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO AT THE TIME. 
          UH, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRED THAT THE CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO FILE DOCUMENTS IN OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF BEXAR COUNTY. 
          UH, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO UPDATE THE B C AD RECORDS, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO UPDATE THE ZONING MAP. 
          UM, THE CITY DID NOT FILE ANYTHING OF RECORD UNTIL 2014, SEVEN YEARS AFTER MY CLIENT ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE B AD RECORDS STILL HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED, AND THEY'RE PART OF OUR APPLICATION. 
          THEY DO NOT SHOW THAT THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED HISTORIC. 
          THE ZONING MAP, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SHOWED 
          [05:20:01]
IN 2007 WHEN HE ACQUIRED, BUT TODAY IT SHOWS THAT THE PROPERTY IS HISTORIC AS WELL AS THE TRACTED IN THE REAR, AS WELL AS THE MISSION HOSPITAL NEXT DOOR, WHICH AREN'T, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO VERIFY THOSE AREN'T. 
          SO, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING. 
          UM, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, HE ALSO ACQUIRED IN 2007 THAT TRACKED IN THE REAR, UH, IT'S THAT BIG UNDEVELOPED TRACK, AND HE'S VERY NOW CONCERNED THAT HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO REALLY DEVELOP THAT, THAT TRACK BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY ON THE FRONT TRACK. 
          HE WOULD HAVE TO GO OVER THAT FRONT TRACK IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE REAR TRACK. 
          WE WENT WALKING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE OBTAINED THE, UH, CONSENT OF EVERYBODY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND. 
          THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO FIND THERE. 
          HE'S GOT THE NEIGHBORS, UH, IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS THE MISSION ANIMAL HOSPITAL, THE O'REILLY, AND THEN THE HERNANDEZ TIRE SHOP OWNS TWO LOTS DOWN TO THE SOUTH, AND WE OBTAINED THE TWO NEIGHBORS UP ON THE NORTH, UH, ON THE HARDY STREET, I BELIEVE THAT IS UP THERE. 
          UH, AND SO THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE REMOVAL, SO WE DON'T REALLY SEE ANY OPPOSITION, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          A LOT OF 'EM WERE NOT EVEN AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IT HAD BEEN DESIGNATED HISTORIC, LIKE MY CLIENT DIDN'T KNOW. 
          UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, WE DID GO TO HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW AND COMMISSION, UH, TO, TO INITIATE THIS PROCESS. 
          THEY DENIED OUR, UH, APPLICATION AND I'M WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH YOU. 
          BUT I, I DO THINK THAT THEIR ANALYSIS WAS A LITTLE FLAWED. 
          UM, AND ALSO I SEE THAT STAFF ZONING STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR ANALYSIS, UH, THEY SAY IN THEIR ITEMS TWO AND FOUR, UH, INDICATE EVIDENCE OF ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, AN INDICATION OF HARM ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE. 
          WHEN I ASKED SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE THEY POINTING TO, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT THAT'S STANDARD LANGUAGE. 
          SO I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING SPECIFIC IN THAT INSTANCE, BUT WE THINK THAT THIS IS, UM, BASICALLY, UH, WOULD RIGHT THE WRONG, UH, HE BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HE THOUGHT HE COULD DO ONE THING WITH, AND NOW IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY WORTH LESS BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY TO THE EXTERIOR. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY OUR REQUEST. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL BE CALLING BACK UP FOR, UM, QUESTIONS. 
          UM, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO NO, MA'AM. 
          SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THIS IS INDEED A, UM, DISTRICT THREE, UM, CASE, UM, MR. RUIZ. 
          SO, UM, THE HOUSE, UM, WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, WHAT, IN 1928? IS THAT CORRECT? I, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT, MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, CAN YOU T UM, SO YOU WANTED TO INFORM US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, UM, WITH HISTORIC? YES, MA'AM. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO. 
          SO, UH, WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN DESIGNATED HISTORIC, WE, UH, SAW THAT THERE WAS A PROCESS TO GET IT REMOVED, AND THE FIRST STOP WAS A H D R C, AND IT'S A TWO PART TEST. 
          UH, THE FIRST PART SAYS THAT THERE'S NEW AND COMPELLING EVIDENCE, UH, THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE REMOVAL. 
          THE SECOND PART IS THAT IT SCORES NEGATIVELY TODAY ON THE CRITERIA. 
          SO I THINK THAT SECOND PART IS IF WE, IF IT WASN'T DESIGNATED HISTORIC, COULD WE GET IT DESIGNATED HISTORIC TODAY, UH, WE PRESENTED NEW AND COMPELLING EVIDENCE, THE FIRST BEING THE FACT THAT THE PAPERS WEREN'T FILED AND HE WASN'T GIVEN THE PROPER NOTICE THAT HE WAS BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAD THIS, UH, RESTRICTIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          UH, WE ALSO ARGUED THAT OR INFORMED THEM AT ANY RATE, THAT WHATEVER HISTORIC CHARACTER IT MAY HAVE HAD, WE FEEL THAT IT'S BEEN LOST BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH THAT'S AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE SECOND CRITERIA, IT SCORES NEGATIVELY ON THE, UH, EVALUATION TODAY. 
          UH, THE H D R C POINTED TO THE SAME FACTOR THAT THEY HUNG THEIR HAT ON IN 2002, WHICH IS THAT IT HAS QUALITY, UM, FOR STUDYING ARCHITECTURAL THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT THEY HAVE THE, THE ORDINANCE CHANGED FROM 2002. 
          IT ONLY HAD TO MEET ONE FACTOR TODAY IT HAS TO MEET THREE. 
          SO THEY POINTED TO THE SAME FACTOR THAT THEY POINTED TO IN 2002. 
          BUT THE OTHER TWO FACTORS WERE THAT THE PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH A PERSON WHO MADE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY, THE STATE, OR THE NATION. 
          AND WHAT THE STAFF POINTED TO AT THE H D R C WAS THAT THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN OWNED BY SOMEONE NAMED LEROY BARBIE. 
          IF YOU GOOGLE 'EM, NOTHING WILL COME UP. 
          BUT APPARENTLY LEROY BARBIE OWNED THE FIRST CHICK HATCHERY IN BEXAR COUNTY. 
          THAT'S NEAT. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT THAT, IN TERMS OF THE SECOND PART OF THE TEST, HOW THAT MADE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY, THE COMMUNITY, THE STATE OF THE NATION. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY SHOWED THAT. 
          THEY JUST SAID THAT HE OWNED IT. 
          AND THAT WAS IT. 
          THE THIRD CRITERIA THAT THEY POINTED TO AT, AT THE H R C WAS THAT THE STRUCTURE, THAT STRUCTURE IS ITSELF ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT IT, THAT ITSELF, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. 
          THIS BUILDING IS ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT ITSELF IS UNIQUE. 
          [05:25:01]
THAT OTHER STRUCTURE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN SHOW IT HERE, IS THE HERNANDEZ TIRE SHOP. 
          UH, SEE IF YOU CAN FIND THAT. 
          IT'S THE BRIGHT YELLOW, UH, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT THEY POINTED TO THAT STRUCTURE, BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT STRUCTURE IS WHERE HE ACTUALLY HOUSED THE CHICKS. 
          UH, AND SO, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THERE TODAY. 
          IT'S A TIRE SHOP. 
          AND IN FACT, MR. HERNANDEZ SIGNED TWO FORMS, UH, SUPPORTING REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC STATUS. 
          SO THAT WAS THEIR DECISION. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH, THAT, UM, THEY DID NOT GET INTO THE SECOND PART OF THE TEST. 
          THEIR ANALYSIS IS, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THEIR WRITEUP, IT SAYS THAT THERE IS NO NEW COMPELLING EVIDENCE IF THE PROPERTY IS STILL THERE. 
          IF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS THERE IN 2002 IS STILL THERE, THERE IS NO NEW AND COMPELLING EVIDENCE. 
          AND SO BASICALLY, AND I ASKED THEM, SO IS IT YOUR INTERPRETATION THAT BASICALLY UNLESS THE PROPERTY IS BURNT DOWN OR BLOWN AWAY, UH, THERE IS NO NEW COMPELLING EVIDENCE? AND THEY SAID, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IF THE PROPERTY'S STILL THERE, THERE IS NO NEW AND COMPELLING EVIDENCE. 
          I THINK THAT'S FLAWED BECAUSE IF THE PROPERTY WASN'T THERE, THEN OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD SCORE NEGATIVELY ON TODAY'S CRITERIA. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE INTERPRETING THAT NEW AND COMPELLING EVIDENCE CORRECTLY. 
          AND I'M AWARE THAT COUNSEL ON AT LEAST TWO OCCASIONS HAS REMOVED THE HISTORIC STATUS, UH, WHEN THE PROPERTY THAT IS STILL THERE. 
          AND ONE OF IT BEING THE FREDERICK BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE, AND THE SECOND ONE ESCAPES ME, ME, BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN DONE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT THEIR ANALYSIS A LITTLE TOO NARROW. 
          UH, THEY THINK THAT IF THE, IF THE PROPERTY IS STILL THERE, THEN THERE IS NO NEW AND COMPELLING EVIDENCE. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT SKEWS THE TEST BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T THERE, OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULDN'T SCORE WELL ON THE CRITERIA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SO I THINK THE INITIAL APPLICATION CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF, UH, SIGNAGE, YOU, YOU ALL, UH, WERE LOOKING, UM, TO HAVE SOME MONUMENT SIGNAGE, BUT SINCE THEN, UM, THERE HAS BEEN MORE CONTEMPLATION THAT PERHAPS THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER TYPES OF, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, TO DO. 
          AND SO I THINK, UM, EVEN SINCE TODAY, I HAVEN'T, UM, GOTTEN A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO YOU AGAIN, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT YOU ALL ARE STILL LOOKING AT A WAY TO, UM, MAYBE WHERE, UM, WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND ALTERNATIVES WHERE MAY, PERHAPS THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS STILL PROTECTED, BUT STILL, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT CORRECT? NO, THAT'S WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE, I'M SURE WHAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, AND IF IT'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO HISTORIC, UM, USUALLY THEY WOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE. 
          SO IT, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFIC TO THEM, IT MIGHT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO, TO HAVE ONE OF THEM AVAILABLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , AND WE CAN'T AT THIS POINT, BUT WE CAN ENSURE THAT IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          'CAUSE I THINK, UM, THE QUESTION WAS BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP BEHIND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY BESIDES THE HOUSE. 
          BUT ANYWAY, UM, COMMISSIONER, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT, WE DID FIND OUT ABOUT IT, UH, BECAUSE HE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO, UH, PUT A POLL SIGN, AND THAT'S WHEN HE FIRST FOUND OUT IN 2018 THAT THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN DESIGNATED HISTORIC. 
          UH, BUT THAT, BUT UM, THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT A SIGN. 
          IT'S ABOUT ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IF THE PROPERTY'S DESIGNATED HISTORIC. 
          AND, UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE, THAT TRACT IN THE BACK, THAT'S UNIMPROVED THAT C TWO NA. 
          AND HE DID HAVE PLANS IN 2007 WHEN WE ACQUIRED TO DEVELOP IT, AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS INABILITY TO DO THAT NOW WITH THE, WITH THE RESTRICTIONS THAT APPLY TO A HISTORIC PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, WITH CHANGES ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          UM, AND, UH, NO, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PARTICULAR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AN ALTERNATIVE, ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT IT'S POSSIBLE, UM, THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN. 
          I, I KNOW THAT MY CLIENT IS AMENABLE. 
          UM, HE HAS NO INTENT WHATSOEVER TO CHANGE THE BUILDING. 
          HE HASN'T CHANGED IT SINCE HE'S OWNED IT. 
          UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT IF, IF THE ZONING IS REMOVED, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, I SUPPOSE. 
          AND SO I THINK HE'S AMENABLE TO, UH, AN ALT ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC STATUS ON THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT NOT THE SURROUNDING LAND. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, IF IT'S EVER BEEN DONE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT HE'S AMENABLE TO. 
          UH, HIS OUTRIGHT REQUEST THOUGH, WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE HISTORIC, BECAUSE HE FEELS THAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN NOTICE, UM, AND THAT, UH, HE BOUGHT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          HE, HE FEELS LIKE THE PROPERTY'S WORTH LESS THAN WHAT HE PAID FOR IT, BECAUSE HE CAN'T DO WHAT HE THOUGHT HE COULD DO WITH IT. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND, AND I AGREE, UM, THAT THAT WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS, SO OUR HANDS ARE PRETTY MUCH TIED. 
          I CAN'T ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE WHO CAN ADVISE US ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BOLDED IN RED IS, UH, ZONED AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK, AND IT WAS ZONED THAT WAY IN 2002. 
          IF THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE SOME 
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PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THAT HISTORIC LANDMARK, WE WOULD NEED FIELD NOTES TO DESCRIBE WHAT PORTION, THE VACANT PORTION THAT IS, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT BE REMOVED, IF THAT'S AN OPTION THAT HE WANTS TO EXPLORE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO H D R C FOR A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE COMING BACK HERE. 
          I MEAN, ALL, ALL, ALL OF THOSE ARE OPTIONS THAT CAN BE REQUESTED. 
          THERE'S JUST A PROCESS TO REQUEST IT. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, YEAH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE USED TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD, SO YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY. 
          SO, BUT, BUT WE HAVE TWO VERY DIFFERENT PURVIEWS AS BETWEEN ZONING AND H D R C. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK TO THE EXTENT H D R C HAS GIVEN THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEITHER BOUND BY THAT OR LIMITED BY THAT. 
          WE HAVE DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS TO THINK ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE LAND USE. 
          WE CAN MAKE A DECISION THAT DIFFERS FROM H D R C. 
          NOW THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ZONING COMMISSION CAN MAKE A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION FROM H D R C. 
          YOU CAN LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM H D R C, WHICH IS RECOMMENDING BODY TO O H P AS, UM, A, THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY TO DETERMINE IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT OR NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          LET ME ASK REAL QUICK, AND THEN I'M GONNA, UM, SO IS THERE A WAY TODAY THAT WE COULD SAY JUST THE STRUCTURE AND THEN, UM, COULD WE ADJUST THE FIELD NOTE OR WE HAD, DON'T HAVE THAT POWER IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY IS. 
          SO WE WOULD NEED FIELD NOTES TO DIFFERENTIATE WHAT, WHERE IS THAT, THAT WOULD BE REMOVED FROM HISTORIC DESIGNATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHILE IT MAY BE THE STRUCTURE THAT IT HAS THE SIGNIFICANCE AND IS A LANDMARK, WE ZONE PROPERTY, REAL PROPERTY, NOT JUST THE BUILDING. 
          THE BUILDING MAY BE WHAT IS THE DRIVING FACTOR, BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW ON THE GROUND, THE GROUND IS ZONED, BUT, BUT WITHOUT FIELD NOTES MM-HMM. 
           TO INDICATE WHERE THAT IS, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO SAY, OKAY, WELL WE'LL JUST ONLY RECOMMEND WHAT, WHERE THE BUILDING STANDS. 
          WE NEED FIELD NOTES IN ORDER FOR YOU TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND SO THEN RIGHT NOW, UM, OUR CHOICE, UH, MAY BE CONTINUOUS, BUT, UM, THEN THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE TO, UM, SUPPORT IT AND IT WOULD JUST REMOVE, UH, IT, IT WOULD GO FORTH TO COUNCIL AS A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE HISTORIC PERIOD OFF THE ENTIRE, UM, STRUCTURE, PROPERTY, EVERYTHING AS, OR DENY IT. 
          THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          OPTION, YES. 
          DENY OR DENY IT. 
          AND THEN THE WHOLE PROPERTY, UM, IS NOW, UM, REMAINS WITH THE HISTORIC. 
          AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER, IF THEY WANTED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THEIR, THEY'RE BOUND BY THE RULES OF H D R C STILL HAS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL, WHETHER YOU APPROVE, DENY MM-HMM. 
           OR CONTINUE, IT STILL HAS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           CITY COUNCIL IS THE ULTIMATE DECISION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THEN IF WE WERE TO GO BACK, I GUESS IT'S A WHOLE LONG PROCESS, H D R C, IF THEY WENT BACK AGAIN AND TRIED TO WORK THAT OUT, WHICH IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THEY WERE AMENABLE ANYWAY, THE, FROM, FROM THE CONVERSATION FROM THE, THEN THAT WOULD WHAT DELAY THIS CASE BY MONTHS OR SOMETHING? NO, I MEAN, THEY, HT R C CAN MEET MUCH, I MEAN, THEY MEET TWICE A MONTH, BUT THEY AREN'T REQUIRED TO MEET SOME SORT OF NOTIFICATION PROCESS THE WAY A ZONING COMMISSION DOES. 
          SO THEY'RE ABLE TO SCHEDULE IT. 
          I JUST NEED TO, I, WHAT I NEED TO DO IS I, DEPENDING UPON WHAT HAPPENS TODAY, IF THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IS TO DO LESS PROPERTY, TO GET THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OFF, I NEED TO COORDINATE WITH O H P TO DETERMINE DO THEY NEED TO RECONSIDER THAT AND CHANGE THEIR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          IF THEY DON'T NEED TO RECONSIDER IT, THEN THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WOULD COVER WHETHER IT WAS THE WHOLE PROPERTY OR LESS THAN THE PROPERTY. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, IT, IT COMES BACK TO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE APPLICANT REQUESTING MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF I MAY, UH, I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING, WHAT THE H D R C, UH, COMMISSIONERS ASKED THEIR STAFF TO DO WAS TO WORK WITH US ON THE SIGNAGE, NOT ON THE ALTERNATE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE. 
          UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LENSES THAT ARE BEING APPLIED HERE. 
          THE UNDERLYING BASE IS C TWO. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT AT ALL. 
          I, I FAILED TO MENTION, AND MY CLIENT WOULD BE REALLY UPSET FOR ME FOR THIS, IS THAT WHAT HE DOES ON THAT PROPERTY, HE'S THE ONLY FULL SERVICE LAW FIRM ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND WE KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONER, UH, COUNCILMAN GERRAN IS INTERESTED IN PROMOTING THOSE SORT OF SERVICES. 
          AND SO, UM, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, AND WHAT I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S THE SUPPORT ON THE COMMISSION, IS TO, TO GIVE US YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL, IF THERE'S AN ALTERNATE TO BE WORKED OUT, UH, WE'LL WORK ON IT. 
          BUT WE WOULD LIKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, LISA, THAT, UH, WE CAN MOVE TO COUNCIL AND, AND GET COUNCIL'S 
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DESIRES. 
          AND IF THEY WANNA SEE AN ALTERNATIVE, THEN WE COULD WORK AT IT, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, RATHER THAN GO BACK TO H D R C WHERE I INTERPRETED THEIR, THEIR INSTRUCTIONS TO THE STAFF WAS TO WORK WITH US ON THE SIGN. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT A SIGN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ON MY RIGHT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH, HOW ABOUT THAT, UH, HERNANDEZ TIRE SHOP, IS THIS, IS THERE ALSO HISTORICAL DESIGNATED? NO, SIR, IT IS NOT. 
          ALTHOUGH IF YOU LOOK ON THE ONE STOP MAP, IT SHOWS IT AS HISTORIC, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT HISTORIC. 
          MAYBE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN A HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          WELL, THERE IS NO DISTRICT THERE. 
          WE ARE STANDALONE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S DESIGNATED HISTORIC. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, THAT WAS PART OF THE, UH, SOME OPERATIONS THAT, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNED THE HOUSE WAS OPERATING THERE HATCHERY OR SOMETHING. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER AT, AT THE H D R C, UH, THEY WERE TRYING TO HIT THE, THE CRITERIA THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO DESIGNATE IT HISTORIC TODAY, AND THEY'D HAVE TO MEET THREE FACTORS, AND THEY WERE REACHING AND THEY SAW THAT THIRD ONE. 
          AND WHAT THEY EL, WHAT THEY ALLEGE IS THAT OUR PROPERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH ANOTHER PROPERTY. 
          THAT ITSELF IS UNIQUE. 
          THAT'S THE HERNANDEZ TIRE SHOP, BUT IT IS NOT HISTORIC. 
          UH, THERE'S NO REMNANTS OF THE CHICK FACTORY LEFT THERE AT ALL TODAY. 
          I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT I'VE BEEN THERE. 
          IF, IF HE, IF HE APPROVE IT AND SEND IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, CAN THEY, UM, I GUESS HE CAN, UM, HE CAN COMPROMISE OR DECIDE AT THAT TIME AGAIN, RECOMMENDING BODY, H, D OR C IS A RECOMMENDING BODY, DEPENDING UPON WHAT HAPPENS HERE, THAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS UH, QUESTIONS ON MY, UH, LEFT? OKAY. 
          WELL, I, OKAY, , UM, UM, THIS IS, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UM, DIFFICULT AND AWKWARD FOR ME, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT, UH, HISTORIC LENS. 
          UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUILDING, TO ME, THAT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, TO ME, LIKE I WOULD WANT TO PROTECT THAT IF THAT WAS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I WOULD WANT TO PROTECT IN 1928. 
          AND SO I'M INCLINED, I, I MEAN, I WISH THAT WE COULD JUST MAYBE DO THE BUILDING, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO TIE THE BUSINESS OWNER'S HANDS FROM DOING, UM, DEVELOPMENT ON OTHER PARTS OF THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THEY'RE ALSO AT A DISSERVICE BECAUSE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, THE RECORDS WERE NOT EVEN, UM, PROPERLY NOTED. 
          SO THAT'S A DISADVANTAGE TO THEM. 
          SO, BUT ANYWAY, I'M, I'M OPEN TO HEAR, UM, SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, THOUGHTS. 
          I'LL START WITH IF ANYBODY ON MY RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          HAS, UH, COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          I, I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO REMOVING DESIGNATION FROM THE, FROM THE STRUCTURE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALTERNATIVES, BE IT FIELD NOTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY APPROACH TO THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS REMOVED. 
          UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, MY GREATEST FEAR IS IN THE FUTURE THAT REMOVING IT ALLOWS DEMOLITION. 
          UM, AND THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A FEW OF THESE TYPE OF STRUCTURES LEFT, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          UM, AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A SHAME THAT, THAT, THAT WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, WELL, IT'S NEXT TO A TIRE SHOP, OR IT'S NEXT TO THIS, OR IT'S NEXT TO THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT HAS NO HISTORIC VALUE WHEN THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY TRUE. 
          UM, I'M, I'M, I JUST REALLY THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO, UH, TO BE PROTECTED WITHOUT GOING INTO A LONG STORY OF SOUTH SIDE. 
          OH, OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH. 
          SO TO GET THE, UH, FIELD NOTES, I THINK, UH, HE MAY NEED TO GET A SURVEY AND GET THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF ON THE LOT THAT GIVES, UH, THE FIELD NOTES OF THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS VACANT, THAT, UH, 
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PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO DEVELOP. 
          AND THEN, UH, HOW ABOUT THE FRONT PORTION? CAN THIS ALSO BE REMOVED FROM HISTORICAL? THAT'S WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TODAY, IS THE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON ALONG THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          AND JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ZONED HISTORIC, EVEN THE VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, UM, IT CAN STILL BE DEVELOPED. 
          IT JUST REQUIRES REVIEW BY O H P AND H D R C FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER LEFT? COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? BRIEFLY? UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE. 
          I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER SIPS IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHEN YOU LIMIT IT TO THE SOUTH SIDE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW EXAMPLES. 
          IT IS NOT ONE OF THE FEW EXAMPLES IN THE CITY. 
          HOWEVER, I WOULD HATE, I AGREE WITH HIM THAT I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT DEMOLISHED IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT WOULD BE HEARTBREAKING. 
          'CAUSE IT IS INTERESTING. 
          ITS LOCATION MAKES IT INTERESTING AT THE SAME TIME, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE HISTORICAL LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS AS PART OF THE ZONING IS WE'RE NOW SORT OF TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND SO WE'RE, WE'VE CONFLATED TWO ISSUES. 
          ONE IS THE IDEA OF THE H D R C AND ITS CHOICES, AND IT'S A CHOICE THAT WAS MADE BY AN INDIVIDUAL IN 2002 AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, DIDN'T GET RECORDED AND SOMEONE BOUGHT A PIG IN THE POKE, IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. 
          SO THIS IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE FIX IT. 
          I THINK I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING IT AND SEEING WHAT HAPPENS AT CITY COUNCIL, BUT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IF COMMISSIONERS DISAGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE I DO SHARE A GREAT DEAL OF TREPIDATION REGARDING POTENTIAL DE DEMOLITION IN THE FUTURE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO REALLY, UM, LIKE A CONTINUOUS, IT'S JUST NOT EVEN A THOUGHT, I DON'T THINK. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE LIKE, WOULD THAT BE ABLE TO BE WORKED OUT IN A MONTH WITH IT'S, I'M, I'M JUST THINKING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GONE TO H E R C H O H P, SO I DON'T SEE IT'S, IT'S EITHER YAY OR NAY. 
          RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO WORK FIELD NOTES OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, HE, HE WENT TO H D R C. 
          IF THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION, THEN HE WOULD'VE MENTIONED THAT THERE, THAT, BUT THEY, THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SIGN AT THAT TIME. 
          THEY WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. 
          NO. 
          AT H D R C, THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, RIGHT? NOT TO REMOVE THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION MM-HMM. 
          , SO THAT THEY DID CONSIDER THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THE MADAM CHAIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I TWO WOULD ALSO SUPPORT REMOVING IT SO THAT A DECISION IS MADE AT SOME POINT. 
          OTHERWISE IT'LL JUST BOUNCE BACK, BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN US AND H D R C AND THE RESIDENT AND PROPERTY OWNER DOES DESERVE AN ANSWER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER THAT I THINK IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION BACK AND THEN, THEN IT OPENS UP THE DIALOGUE A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR HIM AND H D R C AND CITY COUNCIL TO COME THAT DECISION ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS THERE. 
          THERE, YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I, I CAN, I WISH MY CLIENT WERE HERE. 
          HE, YOU HEAR IT FROM HIS LIPS, HE HAS NO INTENTION OF DEMOLISHING THAT, ALTHOUGH I KNOW IT MAKES IT POSSIBLE SOMEBODY ELSE BUYS IT. 
          IT'S, IT'S FEASIBLE. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE MET WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HER FROM HERE AS WE APPROACH THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND IF THAT'S SOMETHING, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING MY CLIENT'S WILLING TO DO, AND IF IT'S SOMETHING SHE'S WILLING TO SUPPORT, I THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE. 
          IT'S JUST AND BOUND SOME SURVEY WORK TO, TO CARVE IT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, I AM HESITANT TO, UM, PULL THE HISTORIC, UM, DESIGNATION AT THIS TIME. 
          SO HOPEFULLY, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL, UH, VOTE, UM, AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, BUT EITHER WAY, I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TIME TO HOPEFULLY WORK THINGS OUT BEFORE IT GETS TO, UH, COUNCIL. 
          SO I AM GOING TO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, EVEN THOUGH I FEEL LIKE Y'ALL GOT THE SHORT END OF THE STICK,  NOT TO REMOVE THE, UH, HISTORIC DESIGNATION TO GO WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, DENIAL. 
          SECOND. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S A MOTION, UM, FOR GOING WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL ON THE FLOOR. 
          AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL. 
          I ECHO THE CONCERNS OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT REMOVING THE HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          AND CLIENT PROBABLY WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO THIS, BUT IT'S THE UNKNOWN OF WHAT IF HE DECIDES TO SELL IT, SOMETHING HAPPENS, HE DECIDES TO SELL IT, SOMEBODY WANTS TO RAISE 
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IT. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TIME TO MAYBE TRY TO GET YOUR MEETS AND BOUNDS DONE BEFORE COUNSEL, AND THEN THEY CAN ALWAYS TRY TO CHANGE IT AT THAT LEVEL. 
          WE'RE RECOMMENDING BODY AT THIS POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UM, I GUESS I JUST SORT OF FEEL LIKE IT'S A REBOOT. 
          UM, SOMEBODY DID NOT FILE, HOW DO YOU BUY SOMETHING IF IT'S NOT RECORDED? UH, AND DISTINCTLY KNOWN WHAT THE PROPERTY IS WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE RECORDED IT. 
          SO IN MY MIND, THEN HISTORIC IS GONNA HAVE TO COME AND MAKE THEIR CASE AND HE'S GONNA MAKE HIS CASE. 
          AND, AND THE WHOLE PROJECT TO ME IS REBOOT. 
          YOU'VE BEEN HISTORIC FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT YOU NEVER RECORDED IT. 
          AND THEN ALONG COMES THE BUYER AND HE DOESN'T KNOW IT. 
          SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO MAKE HIS CASE IN H AND H R D C TO REMAKE THEIR CASE ON WHY THIS NEEDS TO BE HISTORIC. 
          I DON'T, THEY DIDN'T, THEY, I MEAN, THEY DID DECIDE, BUT THEY DID NOT RECORD IT. 
          AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP, , THAT WE SEE THAT ALL THE TIME IN LAND SURVEYING THESE ISSUES OF WHEN IT, IT'S NOT RECORDED, WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE RIGHTS OF IT. 
          IT CAN BE DIFFICULT. 
          I MEAN, WE DO, BUT IT CAN BE DIFFICULT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD MAKE THE CASE, LET THE CITY COUNCIL WORK IT OUT WITH THEM. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, UH, ATTORNEY GWEN, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, WE DON'T RECORD ZONING IN THE PROPERTY RECORDS, SO I'M NOT COMPLETELY SURE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING RECORDED. 
          NOW, IF THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE ZONING MAP, THAT'S UNFORTUNATE. 
          BUT IF CITY COUNCIL ZONED THIS PROPERTY PROPERLY, AND EVEN AT THIS POINT, UH, IT IS ZONED HISTORIC AND IT IS NOW, THE REAL ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOULD CHANGE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING. 
          SHOULD THIS BE HISTORIC OR NOT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT THAT MY ONLY, THANK YOU. 
          MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS IF HE PURCHASED A PROPERTY AND IT WAS, THERE'S NO RECORDED DEEDED THAT IT WAS DONE HISTORICALLY. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THAT HISTORIC, HE'S SAYING HISTORIC RECORD. 
          YOU'RE SAYING HISTORIC DOESN'T RECORD? NO, SO THEY DON'T RECORD. 
          SO ZONING IS NOT RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY. 
          UM, SO THE, THE PROCESS, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A ZONING VERIFICATION APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE PRO, UH, PROSPECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS TO CALL THE CITY, UM, AND GET A VERIFICATION OF WHAT ZONING IS. 
          AND WE, WE DO THAT THROUGH THIS APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          WHEREVER, WHENEVER WE DO PRESENTATIONS, WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. 
          YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T REQUIRE IT RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND BEFORE, UM, OWNER IS, UH, YEAH, OWNER GOES FROM, UH, UH, PROPERTY GOES FROM OWNER TO OWNER. 
          NOW, O OBVIOUSLY THOSE THAT JUST DO THE QUICK, YOU KNOW, EXCHANGE OF CASH FOR PROPERTY, MOST LIKELY WILL NOT BE GETTING A ZONING VERIFICATION LETTER. 
          BUT WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE IT. 
          AND THAT'S HOW YOU CONFIRM WHAT THE ZONING IS. 
          BUT ZONING IS NOT RECORDED WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THE COUNTY MAY SHOW ON THEIR RECORDS, UH, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU GO INTO BCA TODAY AND YOU PULL UP THE DETAILS OF THE PROPERTY, WHAT THEY SHOW THERE IS BASED ON DATA THAT THEY MAY HAVE GOTTEN A YEAR AGO, WHAT THE BASE DISTRICT IS, BUT THEY DON'T SHOW ANY OVERLAY. 
          DISTRICTS ZONING IS NOT GOVERNED BY THE COUNTY. 
          ZONING IS NOT GOVERNED BY THE, UH, BARE APPRAISAL DISTRICT THAT'S HANDLED BY THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S HOW PROSPECTIVE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD FIND OUT WHAT THE ZONING IS. 
          SO, UH, CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? UH, SO I'M CONFUSED. 
          WHY ARE YOU SAYING IT? YOU WERE UNAWARE THAT IT WAS NOT ZONED RIGHT. 
          AND I'M READING FROM THE 2002 ORDINANCE UPON DESIGNATION, AND IT'S THE SAME TODAY. 
          AND IN FACT, TEXAS LEGISLATURE PASSED A LAW REQUIRING MUNICIPALITIES TO RECORD THIS LAST SESSION. 
          BUT IT SAYS 2002, UPON DESIGNATION OF A BUILDING OBJECT, SITE STRUCTURE, OR CLUSTER AS AN EXCEPTIONAL OR SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC LANDMARK, THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL CAUSE THIS DESIGNATION TO BE RECORDED IN THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS OF REAL PROPERTY OF BEARER COUNTY, THE TAX RECORDS OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE BEARER APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THE HOUSING NUMBERING SECTION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING INSPECTIONS. 
          AND ON THE CITY'S OFFICIAL ZONING MAPS, THE VERIFICATION THAT THEY RECORDED IN THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC RECORDS RIGHT HERE WASN'T FILED UNTIL 2014, SEVEN YEARS AFTER HE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY. 
          THE BCA RECORDS STILL HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED. 
          THE ZONING MAP IS WRONG. 
          OH, WHEN WE SAY RECORDING THAT DEED, THEN THAT DEED SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN TO THE COURTHOUSE AND THEY'RE GIVEN A VOLUME AND PAGE. 
          NO, IT'S A VERIFICATION. 
          IT'S RIGHT HERE. 
          SORRY, MR. REESE. 
          SO, UM, THE PUBLICATION OF THE RECORDING THAT HE MIGHT BE 
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REFERRING TO IS WHAT THE CITY CLERK DOES. 
          WHEN AN ORDINANCE IS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL, THEY DO A PUBLICATION OF ORDINANCES, UM, AND THAT INCLUDES ZONING ORDINANCES. 
          WHENEVER THERE'S A ZONING, WE DO THIS EVERY TWO WEEKS. 
          UH, BUT THE CITY DOES NOT RECORD DEEDS. 
          THE CITY DOES NOT RECORD, UH, ZONING WITH THE COUNTY. 
          AND IT, AS FAR AS WHEN I STARTED IN ZONING BACK IN 2000, WE, THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. 
          BUT WE DO PUBLISH THE ORDINANCES AFTER ZONING OR ANY ORDINANCES ARE, UH, CONSIDERED AND ADOPTED BY COUNCIL. 
          UH, NO, I'M, I'M SORRY. 
          WELL, , I, I GUESS THERE'S PLENTY OF WORK TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND, UH, CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES. 
          MY, I'M SORRY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           NILE. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? NO. 
          AND MADAME CHAIR, MOTION FAILS AGAIN, LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE, YOU CAN EITHER DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, HAVE A NEW MOTION OR IT BECAUSE OF A LACK OF A MOTION, IT COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST HEARING, UH, OKAY. 
          WITH LACK OF, OH, I GUESS IT'S COMING BACK. 
          UH, NEXT MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 24, 
          [24. 20-1350 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700328 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3R MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Restrictive Alcoholic Sales Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-3 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 1, Lot 2, Block 13, NCB 7050, located at 3401, 3403, 3405, and 3407 Nogalitos Street. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600096) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)]
LOCATED AT 3 4 0 1 NATOS. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C THREE R TO C 3 22 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. 
          EIGHT WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. 
          NONE IN AN OPPOSITION. 
          PALM HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. 
          STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS AND RELATIONS TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. 
          THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? THANK YOU COMMISSION. 
          MY NAME IS, UH, JOSEPH LOPEZ, AND I AM THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE 34 0 1 NATOS TRUST. 
          UM, WE APPLIED FOR A, A ZONING CHANGE. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY A C THREE R, SO WE'VE ASKED THAT THE R BE REMOVED TO OPEN A, UH, BAR AND GRILL FAMILY STYLE RESTAURANT WITH ON-PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL, UM, TO BASICALLY, UH, TO BASICALLY, UM, UM, REDEVELOP THE AREA TO IMPROVE OFFER JOBS AND, AND IMPROVE THIS CENTER. 
          SO THAT'S BASICALLY OUR, UH, OUR, UH, BASIS FOR OUR APPLICATION IS TO HAVE A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WHERE IF YOU WANNA GRAB A BURGER AND A BEER OR, OR, UM, PIZZA AND WATCH A SPURS GAME, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU, WE COULD SELL YOU ALCOHOL, BUT YOU COULDN'T, UH, CONSUME IT ON PREMISE. 
          THAT'S THE BASIS FOR THE ZONING CHANGE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. 
          ALRIGHT, QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, MY ISSUE, I THINK WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF IT'S BASED ON C THREE BEING INAPPROPRIATE WHEN IT'S ALREADY C THREE. 
          SO THAT'S THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S R OR NOT, IT REMAINS C THREE. 
          SO I, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE REMOVAL OF R WOULD NECESSARILY MAKE C THREE SOMEHOW INAPPROPRIATE. 
          THAT THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, ON ONE HAND, UM, YOU MIGHT SAY C THREE R IS MORE APPRO MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, FROM CONSISTENCY STANDPOINT, THE CORRIDOR IS DELIBERATELY C THREE R, UM, AND ON, ON, ON THE SAME TOKEN, C THREE R DOES MITIGATE SOME IMPACTS OF THE C THREE DISTRICT. 
          UM, BUT REGARDLESS OF THE CURRENT ZONING, C THREE AND C THREE R IS A VERY INTENSE DISTRICT RIGHT NEXT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY. 
          AND FURTHERMORE, 
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PART OF THE, PART OF THE, UM, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE REQUEST IS THAT IT, TO GET THIS C THREE UH, REQUESTED, C THREE, IT REQUIRES A PLAN AMENDMENT TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. 
          AND WE ALSO DON'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR WE RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR A, UH, AMENDMENT TO REGIONAL COMMERCIAL. 
          SO THAT IS ALSO AN ISSUE. 
          AND, AND SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF MORE CONTEXT, IS THAT WHEN THAT PLAN WAS ADOPTED, THE SECOND STEP TYPICALLY SHOULD BE A REZONING OF THE AREA IN ORDER TO ALIGN THE ZONING WITH ADO ADOPTED LAND USE. 
          THAT DID NOT HAPPEN IN THIS CASE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY YOU STILL SEE C THREE R OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. 
          OH, I'M SO SORRY. 
          TO THE APPLICANT. 
          DO DO YOU HAVE TENANTS IN, IN ALL OF THESE? YOU HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 
          DO YOU HAVE TENANTS AND ALL YOU HAVE TENANTS? YES. 
          WHO ARE THE TENANTS THAT YOU HAVE? WE HAVE, UM, PREMERA AUTO INSURANCE. 
          WE HAVE, UM, UM, TELAS TACOS, UH, ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, IT'S MAINLY OPEN FOR BREAKFAST ONLY. 
          WE HAVE, UM, WHAT WAS FORMERLY A CONVENIENCE STORE AT ONE TIME WAS WHAT THE PROPOSED, UH, FINISH OUT FOR THE GRILL WOULD BE. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UM, JOSIE'S BEAUTY SALON AND WE HAVE, UH, UM, LAFA FIESTA LIQUOR, A LIQUOR STORE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND HOW DID THE TENANTS FEEL ABOUT YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM THEM? WELL, I GUESS ANY BUSINESS COMING IN, I, I, I DON'T THINK, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE TENANTS. 
          AND THEY'RE AWARE THAT WE'RE IMPROVING THE CENTER TO IMPROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND GONNA REDO THE PARKING LOT AND COMPLETELY, UM, MODERNIZE EVERYTHING. 
          BUT NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE TENANTS. 
          AT LEAST THAT EXISTS IN THE CENTER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE? UM, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S FEEDBACK AND YOU KNOW, I THINK MY CONCERN IS THIS REMAINS C THREE. 
          THE REMOVAL OF THE R SEEMS TO BE SUPPORTED, YOU KNOW, PRETTY UNIFORMLY ACROSS THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INQUIRED OF AND THE PALM HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, RESPECTFULLY I'M GONNA DISAGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING REQUEST. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. 
          COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT WITH NO DISCUSSION. 
          ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. 
          MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, IF, ARE THERE ANY, UH, CORRECTIONS, UH, TO THE MINUTES? UH, ELECTION ISSUE? OH, THE ELECTION ISSUE FOR THE ELECTION? UM, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, I'M SORRY, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS. 
          AND I THINK WE ARE WANTING TO CONSIDER 
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A NEW PROCEDURE PERHAPS, AND WE'LL HAVE, UM, BRING THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO THANK YOU COMMISSION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING ON FEBRUARY 4TH. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FOR, UH, TO CONTINUE THAT, UM, ITEM TO THE FEBRUARY 4TH MEETING WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? AND YOU CAN JUST DO A VOICE VOTE. 
          YOU DON'T NEED A, UM, ROLL CALL VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, FEBRUARY 4TH. 
          ANYBODY INTERESTED IN, UM, RUNNING? UM, COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, FOR ANY PARTICULAR, UM, OFFICER POSITION, COULD YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW? THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND, UM, NOW FOR THE 
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DECEMBER 17TH MEETING MINUTES, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS READ. 
          UM, IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NO DIRECTOR'S REPORT. 
          THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR WONDERFUL SERVICE 'CAUSE YOU'VE GONE ABOVE AND 
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BEYOND TODAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          HAVE A WONDERFUL, SAFE, BLESSED EVENING. 
          A MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.