* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD MORNING [9:00 AM – Call to Order  ] EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC COMPLIANCE AT TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD FOR AUGUST THE 21ST, 2026 AT 9:00 AM THE COMPLIANCE AT TECHNICAL BOARD. IT'S AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. OH, I'D LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL FIRST. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DAVIS. HERE, GARCIA. HERE. REGARD SPILLER. HERE. ZIGA. HERE. HERE. FULLERTON. HERE. P*****K. HERE. SPEEDS. HERE. VASQUEZ. HERE IN SEPULVEDA. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, TRANSLATION SERVICES. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE COMPLIANCE TECH, TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARDS AND ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JUANDA CHAIRWOMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JASON VASQUEZ. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MA MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENT CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND LANDMARKS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICANT FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODES AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANY PERSON PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM IN TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON THE CASE. IF IT IS, IT IS CALLED CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT. SPEAKERS FOR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP. FOLLOWING PUBLIC COM TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE, IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE C CITY'S PERMITS AFTER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AT THIS TIME. DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? YES. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. A VERY WARM, UH, VERY GOOD MORNING TO YOU ALL. UM, THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE IS A VERY WARM WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER TO THE CTA. THIS IS, UH, FROM DISTRICT SIX SIX ADRIANA ZIKA. SO WELCOME COMMISSIONER. AND THEN OUR SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT IS FOR OUR ANNUAL EVENT. THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE MOST LOOK FORWARD TO EACH YEAR. THIS IS OUR ANNUAL EVENT FROM THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THE HOME REPAIR FAIR HAPPENING ON SEPTEMBER 12TH AT WONDERLAND OF THE AMERICAS. IT'S A FREE EVENT FOR THE PUBLIC AND IT'S ONE IN WHICH WE CONNECT HOMEOWNERS OF HISTORIC HOMES TO, UH, CONTRACTORS OR ANY KIND OF SERVICES, UH, THAT OF COURSE DEAL WITH RESTORATION AND REPAIR. SO WE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE, UM, EVERYBODY HERE TO ATTEND. REGISTRATION IS FREE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE. AND AT THIS TIME, UM, WE WILL NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST CTAP HEARING ON JULY 17TH. I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM, UH, LAST MONTH'S MEETING. SECOND, CAN WE TAKE ROLL CALL VOTE AT THIS TIME, PLEASE? DAVIS AYE. GARCIA? AYE. SPILLER? AYE. ZIKA ABSTAIN. FULLERTON AYE. P*****K. AYE. SPEEDS. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU [00:05:01] COMMISSIONERS. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] IF YOU WILL NOW DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS SCREEN. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE CASES TODAY. UH, ONE OF THEM 1 64 HERMINE BOULEVARD POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. WE'VE GOT ONE ON CONSENT, AND THEN OF COURSE THE REST ON INDIVIDUAL THAT WILL BE HEARD. UM, SO WE LOOK TO YOU TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO EITHER, UH, HEAR THE FIRST ONE OR TO VOTE IT ON CONSENT. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE [1. Address/Description:    370 E HUISACHE AVE HDRC Case No.:    2026-210 Historic District Name:    Monte Vista Neighborhood Assn Name:    Monte Vista Historical Applicant:    Collin Stone/Cr Stone Construction LLC Request:    Roofing replacement City Council Dist.:    1  ] TO PULL ITEM ONE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. SO WE'LL HEAR THE ITEM AND THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED SINCE THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO OTHER, UM, CONSENT ITEM. THANK YOU. CAN I GET AN OVERVIEW ABOUT THE CASE? SURE. UM, THREE 70 EAST WE ATCH IS COLIN STONE HERE? THAT'S YOU. OKAY. WE ARE BOTH AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SORRY, CAN WE COME OVER HERE AND THEN JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST. HI, I'M COLIN STONE, OWNER AND CONTRACTOR AT THREE 70 EAST. WE ATCH. GREAT, THANKS. UM, I JUST, UH, HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UH, THE USE OF THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IN THE AREA. UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF HOW MANY WITHIN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR HOW PREVALENT, UM, THE USE OF STANDING SEA METAL ROOF IS WITHIN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? YEAH, THERE, I MEAN THERE'S A FEW. I'D SAY THERE'S THREE OR FOUR RIGHT AROUND THERE. UM, BUT HISTORICALLY THEY'VE BEEN THERE SINCE, YOU KNOW, SINCE THESE HOUSES WERE BUILT, THEY WERE WAY MORE PREVALENT THAN ASPHALT SHINGLES. SURE. AND, UM, I HAD ASKED STAFF JUST TO PULL UP THE GOOGLE EARTH, UM, OR WHATEVER IT'S SATELLITE. UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO, OR IS THIS WHAT SURE. UH, ONE SECOND COMMISSIONER. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT A SATELLITE IMAGE HERE. SO OF COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, NOT NECESSARILY THE CLEAREST ONE, BUT, UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE OF COURSE THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE HOUSE. SO IN, IN GENERAL, MOST THAT YOU SEE ARE, ARE GENERALLY, UH, SHINGLE ROOFS, BUT THERE ARE, UM, A FEW, UM, METAL ROOFS AS STAFF. WE, UM, REGULARLY, REGULARLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS ON CRAFTSMEN STYLE HOMES. THAT BECOMES A DIFFERENT STORY WITH TUDOR STYLE HOMES. UM, BUT WITH FOLK, VICTORIAN AND CRAFTSMEN, WE DO TYPICALLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THAT. AND I'D LIKE TO ADD, I THINK THEY REQUIRED SOME STIPULATIONS, LIKE CRIMP SEAMS RATHER THAN REACH CAPS AND STUFF. SO I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH, WITH HISTORICAL. OKAY, THANK YOU. THERE'S NO D ONE REP, SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. THAT'S ALRIGHT. UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEM ONE ON THE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT? THE, THE AGENDA. I SECOND IT. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION IN A SECOND. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL CALL? VOTE DAVIS. AYE. GARCIA? AYE. SPILLER AYE. ZIGA AYE. FULLERTON AYE. P*****K. AYE. SPEEDS. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND SEPULVEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. SO WE'LL MOVE [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] ON TO THE SECOND, UH, CASE COMMISSIONERS. SO THIS IS CTA CASE 2026 DASH 180 8 FOR NINE 17 BURNETT STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL WROUGHT IRON FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE PROPERTY ALONG BURNETT STREET. TWO, INSTALL ARTIFICIAL TURF AND GRAVEL IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONT YARD OF THE PROPERTY. THREE. INSTALL A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE THAT MEASURES SIX FEET IN HEIGHT BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT BETWEEN THE FRONT PLANE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. AND FOUR, INSTALL A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. DO WE HAVE THE YES. YES. I'LL, I'LL READ THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN I'LL JUST CHECK. COMMISSIONER, UH, MADAM CHAIR. SO, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS C AND D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE FENCE DOES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT AT ANY PORTION OF THE FINAL INSTALLATION. TWO, THAT AN UPDATED DESIGN AND SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES THE FENCE AND ALL GATES BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OF APPROPRIATENESS. [00:10:01] STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDING. E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES STAFF AN UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR REVIEW, INCORPORATING AT LEAST 50% NATURAL GREEN SPACE THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FENCE BE REDUCED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AT ALL PORTIONS OF THE INSTALLATION. AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AS SPECIFIED ON THE SIDELINE AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH. AND COMMISSIONERS. UH, TWO THINGS TO NOTE. SO FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE DEITY HILL, UH, ASSOCIATION SUPPORTING STAFF STIPULATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SECOND OF ALL, THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE. SO MOST OF THE WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED. AND OF COURSE THOSE PICTURES ARE AVAILABLE IN THE CASE FILE. IS CHRISTIAN HERNANDEZ HERE? CHRISTIAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO SPEAK. OKAY? OKAY. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. I'M CHRISTIAN HERNANDEZ. I AM A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER AND UH, ALSO I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER. SO I'VE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SELLING HOUSES SINCE 2017. AND THEN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS MY PERSONAL HOME THAT I DID FULL RENOVATION. SO EVERYTHING FROM THE FOUNDATION, ELECTRICAL, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN UPDATED AND UH, I WAS NOT AWARE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 50% NATURAL. I DID SOME RESEARCH LIKE THROUGH I WAS WHERE I WAS WALKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UH, I GOT SOME PICTURES I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU, LIKE YES. SO THIS FIRST PROPERTY WE HAVE HERE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARK. AND AS WE CAN SEE OVER HERE, THIS ONE HAS A HUNDRED PERCENT ON ON GRAB, UM, IT'S BASE. SO IT HAS THREE, FOUR BUSHES AND UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE PROPERTIES I WALK BY. WE HAVE A SECOND SUBJECT HERE. THIS ONE AS WELL HAS A HUNDRED PERCENT GRAVEL ALL IN IN THE PROPERTY. THERE IS FEW BUSHES AS WELL, TWO OF THEM ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THIS PROPERTY HERE AS WELL HAS, IT'S ACTUALLY SOME KIND OF GLASS AND BASE AND IT HAS BUSH THAT BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN GROWN MORE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE 50%. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE MORE. OH, WELL THAT'S THE SAME AS THE FIRST ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE AS WELL. IS EVERYTHING A HUNDRED PERCENT GRAVEL NOW? I HAVE HERE HOW THE PROPERTY'S LOOKING NOW. AND, AND IF YOU HAVE A BETTER PICTURE ON THE YEAH, BECAUSE THAT ONE, THAT ONE ACTUALLY IS FOR THE FENCE, THEN I'LL SWITCH. OKAY. SO WHAT I DID HERE IS I HAVE 50% ON THE, UM, GREEN TURF. THAT'S ABOUT 50%. AND THEN WHAT I DID, I PUT AROUND SOME WHITE ROCKS. I COULD PUT, UM, WHAT IS CALLED THE, THE ONE THAT IS LIKE BLACK. UM, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE ROCK? BLACK, NO, SHADOW ROCK. UM, MULCH. MULCH, YEAH. SO FOR THE BLACK MULCH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS. THE REASON I DIDN'T WANNA PUT THIS WAS BECAUSE AS IT RAINS THE MULCH IS GONNA SPRAY ALL AROUND AND AFTER ONE YEAR IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK RIGHT. SO WHAT I PLAN TO DO HERE IS SINCE I LIVE HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I WANT TO LOOK NICE A HUNDRED PERCENT EVERY LIKE, WHETHER IT IS WINTER OR SUMMER, IT'S GONNA LOOK REALLY GOOD. AND ACTUALLY I GOT A RE APPROACH BY TOYOTA. THEY WANNA DO A COMMERCIAL AND BECAUSE THEY REALLY LIKE THE YARD, SO IT'S EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO, THEY'VE BEEN COMPLIMENTED AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT IT. UM, NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FENCE. SO I, I DO HAVE A, A POOL IN THE BACK OF THE PROP IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND I DID REQUEST TO DO AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ALL AROUND. AND FOR THE REASON, WHAT I DID ON THE FRONT, I GO FROM SIX FOOT SIX FEET TO EIGHT FOOT TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE FIRST PI, WHICH IS THE FIRST PICTURE. UM, THAT ONE, WHICH IS THAT [00:15:01] ONE. SO IT GOES FROM SIX TO A FOOT. ALSO ON THAT SIDE THERE IS A LADY THAT HAS AN AIRBNB THERE. SO WE ALSO WANT PRIVACY DO, UH, TO, WE, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO WILL BE COMING FROM AIRBNB. SO THAT'S ALSO WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING AN APPROVAL AS IS RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY IS ALREADY WITHIN THE, THE 10 FOOT SPECIFICATIONS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE, UM, GIMME A ONE TIME EXCEPTION. I AM BUILDING MORE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE FIVE LOTS HERE IN DIGNITY. SO, UM, YEAH, WE ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVE. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, UM, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR AND I'LL START WITH MY COLLEAGUES TO THE RIGHT STARTING WITH, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THE, THE PRIVACY WALL ON THE EAST SIDE PART OF THE REQUEST? UM, NO. SO, SO THE ONLY REQUEST ITEM HERE IS, IS THE SIX FOOT GOING TO EIGHT FOOT FENCE. SO ON, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE RIGHT HERE, IT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. SO IT'S THAT ONE AS WELL AS THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE IN THE FRONT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS IS, DOES THE DRIVEWAY AND THE THE FLARE OUT, DOES THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YES, COMMISSIONER. SO THIS PROPERTY ALREADY HAD A PREEXISTING DRIVEWAY APRON THAT WAS 12 FEET TAPERING DOWN TO 10. AND SO WHAT THE HOMEOWNER DID WAS HE THEN INSTALLED THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF, UM, FORTUNATELY MATCHING WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. SO IF WE SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CASE FILE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE PREEXISTING CONDITION. SO YOU'LL SEE THE DRIVEWAY APRON THERE. SO, UM, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, AGAIN, IT WAS DONE WITHOUT APPROVALS, BUT IT, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WOULD APPROVE. SO, UM, THAT'S WHY UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THAT ONE. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED THAT CLARITY. UM, ALSO, UM, YOU SAY THAT UH, YOU HAVE CONSTRUCTED OTHER OR WORKED ON OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND CHRISTIAN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE AND, AND YOU CAN JUST STAY HERE WHILE COMMISSIONERS ASK QUESTIONS. OKAY, SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME I WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE I'VE HERE I HAVE A LOT OF BUILDER FRIENDS AND INVESTORS THAT THEY CAN AVOID TO WORK ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND I, AND I VOTED FOR A COUPLE YEARS AS WELL, BUT I REALLY LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO IT'S MY FIRST TIME DOING SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT IS HISTORIC. SO, UM, I DO HAVE FAMILY LOTS, SO I HAVE THREE LOTS THAT ARE FROM, UM, FROM ONE OF MY CLIENTS AND TWO LOTS THAT ARE OURS. ME AND MY WIFE, MY WIFE IS HERE, UM, THAT WE WILL BE BUILDING HOMES ON THOSE AND ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IS A 14 THAT WE WILL BE REVIEWING AS WELL TODAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO WHY IS IT THAT YOUR BUILDER AND CONTRACTOR FRIENDS AVOID HISTORIC DISTRICTS? JUST BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO GET THREE THINGS APPROVED AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO HAVE SOME GUIDELINES, BUT I WILL REALLY APPRECIATE IF WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH DEVELOPERS AND INVESTORS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THE AREA LOOK BETTER. ALRIGHT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE THOUGH, UH, THAT YOU WERE AWARE THAT YOU WERE IN A, HIS HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH GUIDELINES AND YOU CHOSE NOT TO FOLLOW THOSE. I WAS, YOU ARE RIGHT. I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE EXACTLY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LANDSCAPING. I DID BEFORE I START THE PROJECT. I DID AP I GET APPRO APPROVAL FROM THE HISTORIC DEPARTMENT. IT JUST, AT THAT TIME I WAS NOT PLANNING TO LEAVING THE PROPERTY AND UM, I WAS NOT GONNA DO TOO MUCH ON THE LANDSCAPING. SO THE LANDSCAPING, I DID IT AT THE END AND AGAIN, I DID NOT REQUEST AGAIN ANOTHER APPROVAL FOR THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? I SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO MY LEFT. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL START AT THE FAR END. I'M NOT SURE I CAN SEE THE, THE DOCUMENTATION, MAYBE I MISSED IT. UM, HOW TALL ARE THE, UM, THE POSTS FOR THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE AT PRESENT AND WHAT WAS THE IN IN INTENDED GOAL FOR THE, FOR THE FENCE AND INCLUDING THE GATE? RIGHT, FOR THE IRON FENCE, IT'S GONNA BE FOUR FEET TALL. YES. YES [00:20:03] SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOURSELF OR, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT WITH THE APPLICANT MAY BE STAFF, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WITH ITEM ONE, ARE YOU AGREE YOU'RE, YOU'RE OKAY WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES IN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOUR FEET TALL, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, AND THEN, UH, ON THE THIRD ITEM, THE FENCE BEING REDUCED TO SIX FEET, WAS THAT, ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS? ARE YOU STILL REQUESTING A HIGHER, I ALREADY HAVE IT AT EIGHT FOOT TOWARDS THE BACK. SO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IT GOES FROM SIX TO EIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AT EIGHT. UM, WE DID HAVE, WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION, WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT CAME IN AND STOLE THINGS FROM THE HOUSE. SO, UH, AND ALSO HAVING THE AIRBNB ON THE, ON ON THAT SIDE, WE WILL PREFER IF WE CAN KEEP IT AT A FOOT SINCE WE WANT THAT PRIVACY. AND THE DRIVEWAY, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF, IS ALREADY DONE AND FINE AND, AND OKAY, WELL IT STILL NEEDS APPROVAL COMMISSIONER, BUT IT IS, IT DOES ADHERE TO GUIDELINES AND SO WITH THE LANDSCAPE IT WAS HARD TO TELL FROM YOUR PHOTOS IF YOU WERE SHOWING LOTS THAT JUST HAD DEAD GRASS OR IF YOU WERE SHOWING LOTS THAT ACTUALLY HAD GRAVEL BASES. RIGHT. THEY ALL HAVE GRAVEL, A HUNDRED PERCENT IN THE FRONT GRAVEL AND SOME HAS GRASS GLASS WITH LIKE GLASS PIECES AND GRAVEL. THAT'S IT. THANKS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE, IF WERE THOSE HOMES THAT YOU PROVIDED THE EXAMPLES OF, ARE THOSE WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, RIGHT? YES, THEY ARE. UH, ONE OF 'EM LOOKED TO BE A NEW BUILD, WHICH I WOULDN'T COUNT THAT ONE, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS IN, IN BUILT, YEAH, I MET WITH THE OWNER BEFORE, SHE'S ACTUALLY BA BACK TOWARDS MY HOUSE. SHE DID HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LANDSCAPING, BUT EVENTUALLY SHE GOT, UM, I GUESS SHE GOT APPROVED I THINK. HMM. UH, ANYWAY, THAT LOOKS LIKE IN FIELD DEVELOPMENT THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD HELP FOR YOUR CASE, BUT, UM, WELL JUST TO CLARIFY, I DID THIS ALMOST A NEW BUILD. THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T CHANGE WAS THE EXTERIOR, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS NEW FOUNDATION, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, MECHANICAL, EVERYTHING. AND ADRIAN, UH, DID YOU SAY THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION? UH, CORRECT. UH, VICE CHAIR. SO THE, THE APPLICANT HERE, THE HOMEOWNER, HE HAD, UH, RECEIVED SET UP LIKE THIS REPORT. HE DID GET A C REPORT. HE HAD RECEIVED COAS PREVIOUSLY FOR, UH, WORK ON THE HOUSE AS WELL AS FOR THE, UM, SWIMMING POOL INSTALLATION IN THE REAR. SO, UM, SO HE HAD DONE THE PROCESS PREVIOUSLY, SO IT WAS ONLY EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FRONT, ALL THE SIDE ELEMENTS. RIGHT. SO THE FENCING, THE LANDSCAPING, THE DRIVEWAY, YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HE DIDN'T SEEK APPROVAL FOR AND, AND WE RECEIVED A CITIZEN REPORT, UH, ABOUT THEM. SO WHAT WENT WRONG WITH THE, BETWEEN THE AT THE END ASKS, SO, OR THE INITIAL REQUEST AND THEN THAT YOU MISSED FOR THE, THE YARD COVERING, WHICH, RIGHT. SO FOR THE PUTTING GREEN FOR, FROM THE, I INITIALLY I WAS NOT GONNA DO MANY CHANGES IN THE FRONT. AGAIN, I WAS NOT PLANNING TO LIVE HERE, BUT I REALLY LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MY WIFE REALLY LIKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A LAST MOMENT THAT WE DECIDED TO LEAVE THERE. UM, AND IT WAS LIKE MANY THINGS GOING ON TOWARDS THE END OF THE CONSTRUCTION, SO I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WENT BACK AND SAY, OH, LIKE I HAVE TO GET IT REAPPROVED SINCE I, I JUST DIDN'T DO IT. UM, STAFF, IF THEY REMOVED THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT, THE TURF, WOULD THOSE TWO, UH, ONE CIRCULAR ONES, WOULD THAT HELP MEET THE 50% POSSIBLY? UH, VICE CHAIR. SO IF WE LOOK HERE, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS, THE SECTION OF LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK, UH, RIGHT. SO, UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO REMOVED, UM, ALL GREEN SPACE THERE AND INSTALLED THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. BUT MY POINT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SECTIONS THAT WE COULD COUNT TOWARDS THE 50%. SO, UM, WE WOULD NEED AN UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO CONSIDER AS AN EXAMPLE, INSTALLING GREEN SPACE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS AND THEN INSTALLING A BIT OF LANDSCAPE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE OTHER SECTIONS AS WELL. UM, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE [00:25:01] APPLICANT TO KIND OF CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT LANDSCAPING PLAN MIGHT BE, SOMETHING HE'D BE WILLING TO DO. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT COULD PROBABLY GET HIM CLOSE TO THE 50%. OKAY. AND REMOVING, LET'S SAY THOSE TWO PIECES WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN I GUESS PART OR ONE OF THOSE, UH, PUTTING GREENS ON IN THE MAIN YARD, UM, THAT'D PROBABLY GET 'EM TO THE 50%, MOST LIKELY. MOST LIKELY WE WOULD, WE WOULD NORMALLY DO JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST A KIND OF, UM, A A CALCULATION OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FRONT YARD AND THEN AS LONG AS IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE 50%, THEN WE WOULD GENERALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO SAY THE RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS IN SOME SECTION OF THE, THE FRONT YARD, THEN THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO 50%? YES. OKAY. UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? YEAH, THANKS. THANK YOU. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS BEING AN ENTREPRENEUR IS ONE THING, HOWEVER YOU POINT DIRECTLY DIRECTED AND STATED THAT YOU'RE A REALTOR AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2017 WITH THE CONCERNS IS THE FACT THAT YOU BLATANTLY ACTUALLY STATED THAT YOU WENT INTO THIS, YOU ACTUALLY STATED THAT YOU KNEW YOU WERE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND THAT YOU ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REAR. YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN ALLOWANCE. THIS COMMISSION IS REQUIRED TO HOLD EVERYONE IN COMPLIANCE AND YOU'RE WANTING US TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION. SO MY CONCERN IS, WOULD YOU WANT US TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO YOUR ENTREPRENEUR RESPONSIBILITIES, THIS HAD A STOP LOSS AND A VIOLATION. AND IN STATING HERE IT IS PRIOR TO A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, MY CONCERNS IS THE FACT THAT IT'S EVEN STATED HERE THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REAR PART OF YOUR HOME, THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT YOU'RE WANTING US TO HAVE FOR YOUR HOME, BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT YOU'RE WANTING FOR THE COMMUNITY OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I GUESS THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH IS AT WHAT POINT DO YOU WANT US TO HOLD THE SAME CONCERN FOR YOU? SO AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO HOLD AND REQUEST, UM, A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DAVIS. AYE. GARCIA? AYE. SPILLER? AYE. ZIKA. AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. P*****K. AYE. SPEEDS. AYE. VASQUEZ. AYE. AND SEPULVEDA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GO AND WORK WITH THE STAFF AND SEE HOW WE CAN COME BACK WITH A NEW LANDSCAPING, UM, DESIGN SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL HOME THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. SO WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER HOUSES THAT, SIR, A HUNDRED WE'RE WORKING WITH THIS CASE AT THIS TIME AND WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE WHEN THE CASE COMES BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD. THANK YOU. JUST WORK WITH THE STAFF ON NEXT STEPS, THEY'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS CTAP CASE, 2026 DASH 2 1 9 FOR 1008 SOUTH ALAMO STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 625 SQUARE FOOT FRONT YARD WOODEN DECK, AND TWO, INSTALL A THREE FOOT TALL FRONT YARD WOOD FENCE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE WOODEN DECK BE REMOVED AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED AN ALTERNATE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE STREET SCAPE OF SOUTH ALAMO STREET AS WELL AS FOR THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. A SMALLER HEARTSCAPED AREA WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO AS SPECIFIED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE FENCE SHOULD REMAIN PRIMARILY OPEN AND NOT EXCEED THREE FEET IN HEIGHT AT ANY PORTION OF THE INSTALLATION. AND COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT THIS IS ALSO A VIOLATION CASE IN WHICH THE WOODEN DECK FENCE WERE CONSTRUCTED, UH, WITHOUT APPROVALS. AND, UM, THE APPLICANT STATED IN WRITING THAT HE DOES NOT WISH TO ATTEND THE HEARING, BUT, UM, SINCE IT IS A VIOLATION CASE, THAT DOES NEED TO COME BEFORE YOU. [00:30:03] OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED? IMAGES AND EVERYTHING? CORRECT. DO WE HAVE ANY CORRECT. I I CAN RUN THROUGH THE CASE FILE IF YOU'D LIKE. AND, AND THAT JUST REMINDED ME, MADAM CHAIR, UH, THERE IS, UH, ONE LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION IN, IN YOUR FOLDER OKAY. SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, ANY RECORDINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE? NO, JUST THE LETTER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH IT REALLY QUICK TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE IT THE CORRECT ATTENTION. SURE. SO I'LL RUN THROUGH THE PHOTOS IN THE FILE AND THEN, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. SO HERE IS THE DECK AS CONSTRUCTED. UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE SIDE. SO IT'S, UH, PART OF THE FRONT YARD OF, OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THESE TWO IMAGES SHOW THE FENCE AS PROPOSED. UM, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PICTURE, I'LL JUST SCROLL UP, THAT FENCE IS IN PROGRESS STILL, UH, MOSTLY BUILT THOUGH. AND THE, IN THIS PICTURE I'LL JUST BRIEFLY MENTION, IT WAS ONE THAT THE, UM, AT FIRST THE APPLICANT HAD SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL. SO HE WAS AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF A COA AND FOR THIS ONE WE HAD NOTED THAT WE WOULD ISSUE AN APPROVAL FOR IT, AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, BUT PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT CONSTRUCTION WAS TAKING PLACE AND THAT THE, UM, THAT THE DECK WAS MUCH, MUCH LARGER THAN, UM, WHAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED, UH, IN THE APPLICATION. AND LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO INITIALLY THE DIMENSIONS WAS MUCH SMALLER, BUT WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE IS THAT OTHER IMAGE? CORRECT. SO LET ME GO THROUGH, THERE'S A SITE PLAN SOMEWHERE. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET, LET ME START WITH THIS ONE, AND I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE TOO. UM, SO THIS WAS WHAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED ORIGINALLY. AND, AND THIS TOO WAS SUBMITTED AFTER BEING REPORTED THAT WORK WAS TAKING PLACE IN THE FRONT. SO IT, IT WAS STILL A VIOLATION. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED IT AND WE REVIEWED THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WAS WHAT HE HAD PROPOSED THAT HE WAS WORKING ON. AND OF COURSE WE ISSUED THE STOP WORK ORDER, BUT WE SAID, OKAY, IT'S A SMALL, UH, DECK, YOU KNOW, WE, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S SMALL ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN SAY IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, UM, PRIOR TO ISSUING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, BECAUSE WE HAD NOT YET GOTTEN CLARIFICATION ON THE FRONT FENCE, UM, HE THEN, UM, THE APPLICANT THEN STARTED WORKING AND WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT THE FENCE, THAT THE DECK WAS MUCH LARGER AGAIN THAN, THAN WE WOULD HAVE BUT HADN'T YET APPROVED. AND SO HE, HE SENT A NEW SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CLARIFICATIONS, OR DISCUSSIONS? ALL RIGHT, IF I HEAR NONE THEN I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND REQUEST AN A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, GO AHEAD, SIR. I GOT ONE QUICK GO AHEAD. DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT ONE DECK WAS ACTUALLY INSTALLED? UH, UH, VERY RECENTLY. UM, I HAVE THE, UM, IF WE GO TO THE CASE FILE HERE TO THE FINDING. OKAY, LET'S, LET'S LOOK FOR IT. UM, OKAY. RIGHT HERE IN FINDING B. SO ON JULY 7TH, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, STAFF WAS NOTIFIED THAT LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS WERE TAKING PLACE WITHOUT APPROVAL. JULY 10TH, STAFF CONTACTED THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ISSUED THE, THE STOP WORK ORDER, UH, INFORMED HIM OF THE COA REQUIREMENTS. JULY 17TH, APPLICANT SUBMITTED A COA APPLICATION. SO THAT'S THAT FIRST ONE. AND THEN, UH, IF WE CONTINUE ON AUGUST 3RD, STAFF WAS NOTIFIED THAT WORK HAD CONTINUED AFTER THE STAFF WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED AND THAT THE LANDSCAPE MODIFICATIONS WERE NOT ACCURATELY REPRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. SO IT IT BASICALLY BEGINNING OF JULY AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THAT MONTH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? GO AHEAD AND MOVE FOR A MOTION PLEASE. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I SECOND IT. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION FOR FIRST AND A SECOND. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DAVIS AYE. GARCIA? AYE. SPILLER AYE. ZIKA [00:35:01] AYE. FULLERTON AYE. P*****K. AYE. SPEEDS. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND SEPULVEDA? AYE. MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 1 9 5 1 1 1 5. SOUTH ST. MARY'S, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE AN EXISTING FOUR FOOT TALL WOODEN FENCE ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL IRON FENCE FEATURING TWO OPERABLE VEHICULAR GATES AND ONE PEDESTRIAN GR GATE ALONG THE FRONT. PROPERTY LINE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FIVE FOOT TALL RAW IRON FENCE FEATURING TWO OPERABLE VEHICULAR GATES AND ONE PEDESTRIAN GATE. ALONG THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, WE HAVE, UM, APPLICANTS MIKE PEREZ AND CHRISTINA MADANO. HERE YOU CAN APPROACH THE DAIS. UM, AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED A, UM, UPDATED PRESENTATION THAT YOU WON'T SEE IN YOUR FILES. SO WE'RE GONNA REFERENCE IT HERE ON THE BIG SCREEN. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. OH, RIGHT, GREAT POINT. UM, YOU DO HAVE, UM, MANY, UH, VOICEMAIL TRANSCRIPTIONS AND SOME LETTERS IN YOUR LETTERS FOLDER THERE. EXCUSE ME. THE PUBLIC COMMENT HAPPENS AFTER. OKAY. CAN I GO? OKAY. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CHRISTINA MENO AND I AM ONE OF THE OWNERS OF MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY. TO TODAY, I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR A SIX FOOT OPEN WROUGHT IRON FENCE BECAUSE OF OUR, OUR UNIQUE RESPONSIBILITY AS A PRESCHOOL CARING FOR VERY YOUNG CHILDREN. UM, SO IN OUR FIRST SLIDE, AND I HAVE IT HERE. ONE SECOND. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. THE SAME PRESENTATION. WE GOT IT. YAY . OKAY. OKAY. SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR, REQUESTING THE SIX FOOT WR IRON FENCE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, THIS IS MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY, AND ALTHOUGH THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC PROPERTY, ITS DAILY USE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF A PRIVATE RESIDENCE. EVERY DAY WE CARE FOR CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS 12 MONTHS TO FIVE YEARS. UM, AND THE FAMILIES ENTRUSTED WITH THE CHILDREN EVERY DAY AND THEIR SAFETY GUIDES DECISIONS WE MAKE FOR A CAMPUS. UH, THERE WE HAVE SOME OF OUR STUDENTS AND OUR, THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS IS OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY, AND THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE ASKING FOR A SIX FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE. UM, SCHOOL SAFETY HAS CHANGED. SCHOOLS THINK ABOUT SECURITY DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DID YEARS AGO. UH, WE HAVE EMERGENCY PROCEDURES, SUPERVISION AND CONTROLLED ACCESS TO OUR BUILDINGS AND OUR PERIMETER IS ANOTHER LAYER OF THAT PROTECTION. I WOULD NEVER CLAIM THAT A SIX FOOT OFFENSE CAN PREVENT EVERY POSSIBLE THREAT, BUT IT DOES CREATE A STRONGER PHYSICAL BOUNDARY AND ANOTHER LAYER OF SECURITY. OUR GOAL IS TO BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE. UM, OUR SURROUNDINGS ARE ALSO CHANGING. WE'VE BEEN PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A LONG TIME. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 13 YEARS, UM, AND WE'VE NOTICED A CHANGE. IT'S MORE ACTIVE, THERE'S INCREASED DEVELOPMENT AND A LOT MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. WE ARE ALSO PREPARING FOR THE VIA GREEN LINE, WHICH WILL BE, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR SCHOOL. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE PREPARING FOR. UM, WE WELCOME GROWTH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE [00:40:01] HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PREPARE OUR CAMPUS FOR THE INCREASED ACTIVITY. UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHY SIX FEET MATTERS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, FOUR FEET. AND, UM, YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, IT'S A WHOLE BARRIER OF SAFETY. SO, UM, OUR REQUEST COMES DOWN TO ONE ADDITIONAL FOOT, UH, AT SIX FEET. WE GAIN A STRONGER PHYSICAL BOUNDARY WHILE MA WHILE MAINTAINING THE OPENNESS AND VISIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY. WE LOVE KING WILLIAM. WE LOVE OUR HISTORIC PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE WR IRON. WE WANT IT TO BE VISIBLE AND WE WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE PROPERTY AS WELL. SO THIS IS THE, UM, THIS IS THE FENCE OF, UM, OF GUNTHER. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S VERY VISIBLE. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING. MM-HMM . THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE, UM, BEETHOVEN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM OUR SCHOOL. I WALK BY IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE I WALK A LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. AND THAT'S WHERE THE IDEA CAME FROM. I SAW IT AND I THOUGHT, WOW, IF WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS OUR CHILDREN, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND SO I DO THINK THIS IS, THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BULKY, BUT, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY WORK WITH STAFF AS WELL. AND SO THIS IS OUR SCHOOL AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, WE DON'T, SORRY, WE AREN'T ASKING YOU TO CHOOSE. BETWEEN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND CHILD SAFETY, WE BELIEVE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH BOTH. MUSTARD SEED CAN REMAIN BEAUTIFUL AND VISUALLY CONNECTED TO KING WILLIAM WHILE HAVING A STRONGER PHYSICAL BOUNDARY FOR THE CHILDREN THAT ENTRUST, THAT ARE ENTRUSTED TO US. I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOU ALL TO APPROVE OUR SIX FOOT WROUGHT IRON FENCE. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, ROBERTO MERANO. I ACTUALLY LEFT THE VOICEMAIL. THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIRMAN IN THE BOARD. I LEFT A VOICEMAIL, UH, LAST NIGHT, SO, UM, IF YOU'RE GONNA PLAY IT, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR WHAT I, WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. BUT SINCE I'M ALREADY HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS, UH, SUPPORT, STRONG SUPPORT FOR THIS SECURITY MEASURE TO PROTECT THE KIDS. UH, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE OF A FIVE FOOT SIX FOOT FENCE, UH, BUYS TIME, UH, IN CASE THERE'S AN ATTEMPTED INTRUSION INTO THE PROPERTY AND, UH, IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY WITH MASS SHOOTINGS, AND IT JUST CHILLS THE SKIN. UH, UH, ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THOSE THINGS. AND, UH, WHAT HAPPENED IN VALLE A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, RUNNING OUR FRONT YARD, AS, AS YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY, UH, I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR, EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR, IF THE, IF THE PUBLIC SPEAKER CAN COME BACK UP AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES FOR THE RECORD, WE NEED IT FOR THE MEETING MINUTES. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ROBERTO MADANO, I'M AT 3 0 3 WILKINS AVENUE. THANK YOU, SIR. AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE OUR LETTERS IN OUR FOLDERS. YES, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THERE ARE 24 FOR SUPPORT AND ONE IN OPPOSITION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER VOICEMAILS OTHER THAN MR. MADANO ON THERE? UM, THEY WILL SHOW UP AS TRANSCRIPTIONS THERE IN YOUR LETTERS FOLDER. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. GO AHEAD, SIR. UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S LETTER BE PULLED UP. UM, THIS MONITOR'S NOT WORKING FOR SOME REASON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I'LL LET THE, THE CHAIR OPEN IT TO QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER AT THIS TIME. I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. STERN TO MY LEFT, PLEASE. AS, AS A FATHER OF YOUNG CHILDREN, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS. UM, SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE BALANCE, AS YOU POINT OUT THIS PRESERVATION ELEMENT AND, AND CHILD SAFETY. UH, AND IT'S WONDERFUL THAT YOU'VE BEEN THERE 13 YEARS, I HOPE 13 GOING ON 30 OR EVEN MORE. [00:45:01] UM, SHOULD, SHOULD CONDITIONS CHANGE AND YOU BECOME SO SUCCESSFUL YOU HAVE TO MOVE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, WELL WHAT ABOUT THE SUBSEQUENT, SUBSEQUENT LANDOWNER? AND, UM, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD PREVIOUSLY, UM, OTHER APPLICANTS WILL COME IN MAYBE IN TWO OR THREE YEARS AFTER MOST OF US HAVE ROTATED OFF AND POINT TO THE SIX FOOT FENCE AND SAY, WELL, THEY HAVE IT, IT WAS APPROVED. WHAT ABOUT MY HOUSE? SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A, A STRONG BASIS, UH, FOR ANY, ANY, UH, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE CHALLENGE, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE ISSUES OF COMPLIANCE HERE. I JUST HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. IF YOU COULD COME BACK UP TO THE MIC IN THE RENDERING IT, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FENCING THAT FACES THE SIDEWALK, IS THAT RIGHT? YES MA'AM. BUT ALL SIDES OF YOUR FENCING ARE PRETTY READILY EXPOSED IN THE SAME WAY THE FRONT FENCING IS, IS THERE A REASON? NO, THE SIDE IS, UM, THE, THE SIDE IS A WA IS A BUILDING. SO WE ARE NEXT TO A BUILDING, SO THAT IS NOT EXPOSED. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE'S A SIX FOOT, UM, WOODEN FENCE ON THE SIDE OF THE, THE GOOD KIND. THE DRIVE IT RUNS ALONG, IT DOESN'T RUN ALONG A DRIVEWAY. YES, THE DRIVEWAY, THE YES. SEE YOUR FENCE IN THE BACK WHERE IT CUTS OFF AT THE ALBUM. BUT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS FRONT PORTION, IS THAT RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE FRONT, YES MA'AM. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YES MA'AM. HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL EXISTED? UM, HOW, HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL BEEN IN OPERATION WITH THE FOREFOOT FENCE? UM, THE FOREFOOT FENCE? WHEN DID WE, 2002, 2015. ABOUT 20 15, 20 16. MM-HMM . WE'VE JUST SEEN A VERY, A LOT OF CHANGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RECENTLY AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL AND WE, THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM. BEFORE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AND WE NEED MORE PROTECTION AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I WALKED BY BEETHOVEN, I SAW IT AND I THOUGHT, WOW, THAT'S HOW IT CAME ABOUT. YEAH. AND, AND THEN, UM, YES, IT'S LIKE MY COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, IT'S HARD TO DECIDE. OF COURSE I UNDERSTAND SAFETY AND UM, RE RELYING ON OUR GUIDELINES THAT WE MUST FOLLOW. UM, BUT CAN I SAY THIS? FENCING DOESN'T PREVENT, LIKE THE MAN SAID, A SCHOOL SHOOTER OR A A CAR COMING THROUGH. UM, IT'S JUST ANOTHER LAYER OF PROTECTION THAT FENCING WILL GIVE US TIME. IF THERE IS AN INTRUDER THAT WANTS TO COME IN, IT WILL BUY US TIME. AND ALSO COMMISSIONERS, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE TURF IN THE FRONT. WE WERE APPROVED BY THAT WITH THE CONDITION THAT IF THE SCHOOL DID CHANGE TO ANOTHER OWNERSHIP OR TO SOMETHING ELSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT TURF OUT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT IF THE SCHOOL CHANGES TO SOMETHING ELSE. EXCUSE ME MA'AM. SORRY, THE QUESTION WAS HOW LONG WAS HAVE YOU BEEN THERE? OH, I'M SORRY. 13 YEARS. 13 YEARS. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE . SO WAS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO MA'AM. CHAIR. THANK YOU. I'LL GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS NOW TO THE RIGHT, PLEASE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. WHAT DO YOU USE THE FRONT YARD FOR IN TERMS OF PROGRAM FOR YOUR SCHOOL? SO RIGHT NOW WE USE IT FOR DROP OFF AND PICK UP. WE DO, WE DON'T USE IT FOR PLAY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE SAME ISSUE THAT IT'S BEEN CHANGING A LOT. UM, SO, BUT THERE'S CHILDREN COMING IN AND OUT ALL DAY AND PARENTS. BUT IS A PLAN TO USE IT AS PLAYGROUND SPACE IF YOU HAD A TALLER FENCE THAT MAYBE, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT DEFINITELY WOULD GIVE US MORE PROTECTION. UH, WE ALSO USE THAT SPACE A LOT FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS. WE HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PARENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON THE PROPERTY. MM-HMM . NEXT COMMISSIONER. I REALLY DON'T HAVE A QUESTION AS MUCH AS A COMMENT AND THAT WOULD BE THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH, UM, THE COMMISSIONER WHO SAID THAT, UM, MY CONCERN WOULD BE HIS CONCERN AND THAT IS THAT WE SET A PRECEDENT, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE GUIDELINES AND SHOULD YOU MOVE OR CLOSE DOWN THAT BUSINESS, UH, THEN THAT FENCE IS STILL [00:50:01] THERE AT A HEIGHT THAT IS NOT, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES NORMALLY. SO THAT IS A CONCERN. YES, COMMISSIONER. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING FOR THE TURF, THEY TOLD US THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE OR THE BUSINESS BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE, THE TURF WOULD HAVE TO GO. AND SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THE FENCE, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER AND THAT WAY IT WON'T CHANGE THE, THE GUIDELINES IF THERE'S ANOTHER PROP, ANOTHER BUSINESS THERE. THIS IS THE UNIQUE, WE HAVE A UNIQUE, UH, ISSUE WITH THE SCHOOL. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SIR, DO YOU HAVE I WEIGH THE, UH, ADDED SECURITY AGAINST, UH, VIOLATING OUR GUIDELINES FOR FINSIGHT AND I COME DOWN ON KEEPING THE GUIDELINES AS THEY ARE. THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU MA'AM. GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. SO THIS IS ADDRESSING BACK TO THE STAFF. I'M GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THE SAME THING AS MY COLLEAGUES ARE STATING THE CONCERNS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PLACED. THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE MADE BY THE STAFF, I WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH BACK IN WITH WHAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO UPHOLD, WHICH IS THE FOREFOOT. WHAT CAN I DO TO BE ABLE TO UPHOLD THAT RECOMMENDATION? CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO GO BACK TO UPHOLD THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? BECAUSE YY YEAH, YOU ARE FREE TO MAKE ANY MOTION YOU SEE FIT. OKAY. THEN WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO UPHOLD THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE FOREFOOT FENCE HEIGHT. I'D SECOND THAT, BUT UM, I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE HAVE TO BE ABLE GO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. WELL, MADAM CHAIR YEAH, I RESPECT, I I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE MOTION. SO, UM, I'D MAKE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE A FOUR FOOT FENCE WROUGHT IRON, UM, WITH THE DETAIL THAT, HOW IS CAN I ASK FOR THE HUH, TWO OPERABLE GATES? YEAH. YES. INCLUDING THAT AND ONE PEDESTRIAN GATE ALONG THE YES. PROPERTY LINE. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I SECOND THE MOTION. THERE IS A MOTION FOR A FOREFOOT WR IRON GATE WITH, WITH A, WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? TWO OPERABLE VEHICULAR GATES, TWO OPERA VEH AND ONE PEDESTRIAN GATE WITH A IN A SECOND. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. DAVIS NAY GARCIA AYE. SPILLER NAY. ZIKA NAY FULLERTON AYE. P*****K NAY SPEEDS. NAY, I MEAN, AYE. AYE. VASQUEZ AYE. AND SEPULVEDA. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. NEXT CASE PLEASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, CT A P CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 2 0 3 2 50 FUR DRIVE. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE AN EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STAINING SEA METAL ROOF. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS. A AND B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE EXISTING COMPOSITION ROOF IN KIND. UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON. UM, MARK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE. UM, ADRIAN IS ALSO PULLING UP THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SUBMITTED YESTERDAY. UM, AND MADAM CHAIR, WE HAVE TWO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS AS WELL. UH, ONCE THE, UH, APPLICANT'S DONE WITH THEIR PRESENTATION. HELLO, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MARQUEZ WHITE, UH, OWNER OF LEGACY HOME IMPROVEMENTS AND I'M THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX TODAY, TWO 50 FUR DRIVE IN, UH, MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'M RESPECTFULLY ASKING THE BOARD TO APPROVE THE [00:55:01] REQUEST FOR A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF WITH THE STANDARD STIPULATIONS. BRIAN, COULD YOU PULL UP EXHIBIT F AS IN FRANK? PAGE TWO, EXHIBIT F. UH, SORRY. IT WAS COMPILED BY A TO F UH, RATE AT THE LAST EXHIBIT. SO SORRY, JUST GIVE US ONE SECOND. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK. SURE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION I SUBMITTED. THERE IT IS. IT WAS, YOU JUST PASSED IT. NO, NO. ONE MORE, UH, ONE MORE PAGE DOWN. OKAY, THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IT'S A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF IN STANDARD GLOOM WITH SMOOTH PANELS 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE SEAM ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, AND A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP WITH NO RIDGE VENT. ANY VENTILATION THAT IS NEEDED WILL BE PLACED ON THE REAR FACING SLOPES ONLY. THE ROOF'S FORM PITCH AND OVERHANGS DO NOT CHANGE. NO WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED. THE OWNER, MR. KENNETH BELAND AND THE RESIDENT CHRISTINE SIFUENTES BOTH SUPPORT THE APPLICATION. THEIR LETTERS ARE IN THE RECORD AS EXHIBIT E. AND BEFORE I GET TO THE GUIDELINES, I WANT TO BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHAT, WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS. UH, BRIAN, COULD YOU PULL UP EXHIBIT JI THINK I SAW IT. UH, RIGHT UNDER THERE. KEEP GOING. UH, IT'S THE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING ROOF RIGHT THERE. YEP. THIS IS THE ROOF ON THE HOME TODAY. IT'S A THREE TAB COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF. IT'S BUILDER GRADE, IT'S THE CHEAPEST ROOF SOLD IN THE COUNTRY. AND AS OF THIS MORNING, ANYONE WITH $42 PLUS TAX CAN PICK UP A BUNDLE FROM HOME DEPOT THIS AFTERNOON. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE IS HOW IT'S HOLDING UP. THERE ARE TABS MISSING, THERE'S WIND DAMAGE, AND A THREE TAB SHINGLE IS HELD DOWN BY A STRIP OF A TAR STRIP ADHESIVE ALONG THE TAB. AND ONCE THAT SEAL GIVES, AND LETS GO, THE TAB LEAVES THE NEXT TIME THERE'S A A WIND EVENT. AND, UH, MOST THREE TABS CARRY A A 60 MILE AN HOUR WIND RATING, WHICH IS THE BOTTOM CLASS OF SHINGLE ROOFING STANDARDS AND HAS ALMOST NO IMPACT RESISTANCE AGAINST HAIL. AND THIS ISN'T JUST THREE TABS, IT'S TRUE TO ANY ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFING. UM, ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFS IN THIS CLIMATE GENERALLY, UH, HAVE ABOUT A 15 TO 25 YEAR ROOF EXPECTANCY. AND A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF OF THE GAUGE THAT WE'RE USING IS GENERALLY A 40 TO 50 YEAR ROOF AND OFTEN A LOT LONGER THAN THAT. AND EVERY TIME A SHINGLE ROOF WEARS OUT, ANOTHER CREW COMES BACK AND ANOTHER ROUND OF FASTENERS GOES INTO THAT ORIGINAL DECKING. AND A STANDING ROOF SIGNIFICANTLY SLOWS DOWN THAT CYCLE. SO OVER THE NEXT 50 YEARS, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUTTING ONE ROOF ON AND THREE ROOFS ON. SO I HOPE YOU'LL LOOK AT THIS AS LESS OF A CHANGE IN ROOFING MATERIAL AND MORE AS A LONG-TERM STEWARDSHIP OF A HISTORIC HOME. THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AND THE ROOF IS WHAT PROTECTS IT. AFTER ALL, THIS IS THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE GUIDELINE ITSELF. IF YOU'LL TURN TO PAGE ONE OF THE STAFF REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU. UM, THE CITATIONS HAVE AT THE BOTTOM. YOU CAN READ ALONG WITH ME. GUIDELINE THREE B SIX MATERIALS, METAL ROOFS, ROOFING SECTION. IT SAYS USE METAL ROOFS ON STRUCTURES THAT HISTORICALLY HAD A METAL ROOF OR WHERE A METAL ROOF IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OR CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. THE KEYWORD TO ME IN THAT SENTENCE IS OR HISTORICALLY HAD A METAL ROOF OR APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OR APPROPRIATE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT TWO OF THOSE THIS MORNING. THE REPORT NEVER USES THREE B SIX IN ITS RECOMMENDATION. IT USES A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GUIDELINE THREE B FOUR, WHICH IS THE REPLACE ROOF IN KIND. SO THE ONE GUIDELINE ABOUT METAL ROOFS NEVER GETS APPLIED TO THIS REQUEST. THE REPORT DOES STATE THAT METAL IS APPROPRIATE, OR I'M SORRY, THE REPORT STATES THAT THE METAL IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR TOTALLE REVIVAL, BUT IT NEVER SAYS WHY. AND IT NEVER POINTS YOU TO ANY LINE IN THE GUIDELINES THAT SAY THAT SAY THAT. AND ON CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, IT DOESN'T MENTION IT AT ALL. BUT I DO THINK THAT BOTH OF THOSE SUPPORT THIS ROOF. SO FIRST LET'S LOOK AT STYLE. LET'S, BRIAN, COULD YOU PULL UP EXHIBIT I PAGE NUMBER TWO? [01:00:06] IT WAS RIGHT THERE. YEP. UH, ONE MORE DOWN RIGHT THERE. YOU MAY HAVE TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS THE TWO REVIVAL PAGE OF THE SAN CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. THIS IS THE GUIDELINES PUBLISHED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION. SECTION SEVEN, TITLE A, A GUIDE TO SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORIC RESOURCES STAFF IDENTIFIES 2 54 AS A T REVIVAL. BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES DIRECTLY. UH, AND IT SAYS RIGHT THERE WHAT A TULE REVIVAL ROOF IS. IF YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT, THE FIFTH BULLET POINT ON EVERY OF THESE IS IS ABOUT THE ROOF. SO ON ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STYLES, THE FIFTH BULLET POINT EXPLAINS WHAT THE ROOF IS. OKAY, IT READS GABLE ON HIP, ON FRONT GATE OR GABLE ON HIP OR FRONT GABLE. OFTEN COMPLEX EAVES, SOMETIMES SWEPT. NOTICE THAT IT'S DESCRIBING THE SHAPE AND THE FORM. IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY A ROOFING MATERIAL. AND THE REASON THAT MATTERS IS BECAUSE WHEN A STYLIST IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PARTICULAR ROOFING MATERIAL, THE BOOK COMES RIGHT OUT AND SAYS IT. SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE MISSION REVIVAL, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE IT SAYS GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE FIFTH BULLET, AGAIN, ROOFS, IT SAYS RIGHT THERE IN THE GUIDELINE. CLAY TILE. IF YOU GO UP A LITTLE BIT MORE, JUST GO UP A ABOUT YEP. NUMBER TWO ON THE TOP LEFT IN THE BROWN SECTION ALSO SAYS CLAY TILE. NOW IF YOU GO DOWN TO, UH, SPANISH ECLECTIC RIGHT THERE. YEP. GO DOWN TO THE FIFTH BULLET POINT. UNDER ROOFS IT SAYS CLAY TILE. NOW IF YOU GO DOWN TO COLONIAL REVIVAL, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING YEP, COLONIAL REVIVAL RIGHT THERE. AND GO DOWN TO THE FIFTH BULLET POINT WHERE THE ROOFING IS, IT SAYS SLATE SHINGLES. BUT FOR THE TUDOR REVIVAL, NO ROOFING MATERIAL IS SPECIFIED IN THE GUIDELINES. SO THE GUIDELINES TELL US WHAT THE SHAPE OF THE URA REVIVAL ROOF MAY BE, BUT IT DOESN'T TELL US WHAT THE MATERIAL SHOULD BE. AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF AT ALL. AND HERE'S WHY THAT MATTERS. THIS MORNING, ITEM ONE TODAY ON, ON TODAY'S AGENDA WAS THREE 70 EAST ATCH AVENUE CONTRIBUTING BUILT ABOUT 1925. AND THE STAFF REPORT CALLED IT A CRAFTSMAN WITH A TIGHT T WITH A LIGHT TUTOR INFLUENCE. SO THE REQUEST IS THE SAME ONE THAT I'M MAKING COMPOSITION SHINGLE TO STANDING SEAM GAL BLOOM. AND STAFF WROTE THAT IT FOUND THAT THE, UH, ROOF WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, WHICH I'M SHOWING YOU THE GUIDELINES RIGHT NOW. SO IF YOU TURN TO THE CRAFTSMAN PAGE IN THIS BOOK, THE FIFTH BULLETIN DOWN THERE IS ROOFS. AGAIN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT DESCRIBES THE SHAPE OF THE ROOF, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T DESCRIBE ANY MATERIALS. AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR OURS. THAT'S THE SAME FOR FOR OUR REQUEST. THERE'S NO MATERIAL EITHER. SO THIS MORNING YOU HAVE TWO HOUSES ASKING FOR THE SAME TYPE OF ROOF. STAFF IS ASKING YOU TO APPROVE ONE OF THEM AND DENY THE OTHER ONE. BUT THE GUIDELINES ARE THE SAME. AND YOU HEARD STAFF SAY THIS MORNING THAT THEY TYPICALLY APPROVE STANDING SEAM ON CRAFTSMAN HOMES. THE CRAFTSMAN PAGE DOESN'T NAME A ROOFING MATERIAL AND THE TUDOR REVIVAL PAGE DOES NOT EITHER. SO THE BOOK TREATS THESE TWO THE SAME WAY, BUT THE STAFF IS TREATING THEM DIFFERENTLY. SO IF THE BOOK DOESN'T NAME A MATERIAL FOR THEIR STYLE, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO LOOK HOW TUDOR REVIVAL HOMES ACTUALLY EXIST IN MONTICELLO PARK. SO IF YOU COULD PULL UP, UH, EXHIBIT D PAGE FOUR. YEP. WE'RE GETTING THERE. IT'S ALL KEEP GOING UP. YEP, YEP, YEP. LITTLE BIT MORE, RIGHT? YEP, THAT'S IT. THIS IS 20, THIS IS 2 0 1 0 WEST ATCH AVENUE, RIGHT HERE IN MONTICELLO PARK. THE HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY LISTS THIS HOUSE AS CONTRIBUTING. IT LISTS THE STYLE AS TDO REVIVAL, AND IT HAS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE. UH, KEEP GOING DOWN. ONE MORE PAGE PLEASE. THE SAME EXHIBIT. IT IS, UH, 1942 WEST [01:05:01] KINGS HIGHWAY. I THINK IT'S HIGHER ON THE, ON THE DOCUMENT. I'M SORRY, 1942. TWO, YEP. RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THIS IS ALSO IN MONTICELLO PARK. THE SURVEY DOES LIST THIS ONE ALSO AS CONTRIBUTING AND IT LISTS THE STYLE AS TOUR REVIVAL AND IT HAS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON IT. TODAY, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION RECORDS SHOW A CATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WAS COMPLETED IN OCTOBER OF 2024 WITH ROOFING AMONG THE APPROVED WORK TYPES. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO IMAGINE WHETHER STANDING SEAM WORKS ON A TUTOR REVIVAL IN MONTICELLO PARK BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO REALLY GOOD EXAMPLES OF IT RIGHT NOW, BOTH CONTRIBUTING. NOW LET ME BRING YOU BACK TO TWO 50 F. IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO EXHIBIT F, PAGE TWO RIGHT THERE. YES SIR. I'D ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE ROOF OF THIS HOUSE BECAUSE NOT EVERY TUDOR REVIVAL ROOF IS THE SAME. SOME TUTORS ARE VERY STEEP. THEY HAVE A VERY DRAMATIC ROOF WHERE THE ROOF ITSELF IS THE MOST VISIBLE PART OF THE HOME THAT YOU SEE FROM THE STREET. THAT IS NOT THIS HOUSE, THAT'S NOT THIS TYPE OF HOUSE. THIS PITCH IS VERY MODEST. YOU CAN WALK ON IT AND THE FORMS ARE VERY SIMPLE, GABLE AND HIP. THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE TUDOR HOMES WHERE THE, WHERE THE ROOF IS IS ALL THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. SO THE ONLY THING IS THAT IS CHANGING IS THE ROOF COVERING ON TOP. SO THERE'S A SECOND REASON THE GUIDELINE THAT THE STAFF REPORT NEVER ADDRESSES, WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD. I CAN GO INTO THAT OVER YOUR QUESTIONS. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GO INTO THAT RIGHT THIS MOMENT, BUT, UM, IF YOU, JUST VERY QUICKLY, IF YOU COULD PULL UP EXHIBIT C, UM, VERY BRIEFLY. UM, MAD MADAM CHAIR, JUST TO, UM, SAY THE, THE TIMER WENT OFF, BUT I IF OKAY. IT'S UP TO YOU. I, I KNOW THAT STAFF, IT'S TAKING A MINUTE TO KIND OF CYCLE THROUGH THESE EXHIBITS IF, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU IF YOU WANNA GIVE SOME ADDITIONAL TIME. WE'VE, WE'RE AT TIME, SIR. SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, DO WE HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS OR DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WE, WE DO HAVE TWO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. UM, BIANCA MALDONADO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP. OKAY, THANK YOU. TOM SIMMONS HAS YIELDED HIS TIME TO BIANCA. OKAY. SO SHE'LL HAVE SIR, FOUR MINUTES. GO AHEAD. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS CASE, UH, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1 FOR THE RECORDING. UH, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS AN AERIAL IMAGE, UH, THAT SHOWS, AND WHAT I DID IS I REALLY, THE BLUE BOUNDARY IS THE BOUNDARY ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE GREEN IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY AT THE CORNER OF VOL AND FUR AND THE RED MARKINGS. AND I WENT TO WEST GRAMERCY WHERE THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY LIVES AND HAS A METAL ROOF HIMSELF ON HIS HOUSE. BUT YOU CAN SEE LESS THAN 1% OF THE HOMES IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE METAL ROOFS. I COULD UNDERSTAND THE FIRST CASE THAT WAS A CRAFTSMAN STYLE IN ANOTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WE HAVE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES FOR A REASON. THEY'RE JUST THAT GUIDELINES. YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT SHOULD STRONGLY INFLUENCE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS CASE TODAY BECAUSE METAL ROOFS AREN'T COMMON ITEMS SPECIFICALLY ON A MASONRY CONSTRUCTED HOME. UH, EVEN THE APPLICANT POINTED OUT SOME METAL ROOFS THAT EXIST IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THEY'RE ON FRAME HOMES. WE KNOW THAT METAL ROOFS ARE VERY COMMON IN KING WILLIAM AND IN MONTE VISTA ON FRAME STYLE HOMES AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL HOMES. SO I THINK THOSE ARE VERY PREVALENT ELEMENTS TO REACH. AND EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES THAT DO HAVE METAL ROOFS, THERE'S ONE ON QUENTIN THAT WAS DONE ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO. THERE'S ONE ORIGINAL ON THE 100 BLOCK OF CLUB. THE APPLICANT SHOWED A STONE HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF CLUB IN VOL THAT WAS DONE ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO AND WAS A LOSS OF TILE ROOF BECAUSE OF AN INSURANCE CLAIM. THE OWNER WAS UNDERINSURED AND COULD NOT AFFORD TO PUT CLAY TILE BACK, SO IT WAS A HARDSHIP CASE. SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO ASK FOR THE EXCEPTION OF THE RULE. THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION. THIS PROPERTY DIDN'T END UP IN ITS CONDITION OVERNIGHT. UH, THE PHOTOS ACTUALLY SHOW A LACK OF MAINTENANCE ON THIS PROPERTY, UH, THAT IS NOT OWNER OCCUPIED. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SAYS A HISTORY OF WHY IT IS IN SUCH BAD CONDITION. ALSO, THE HOUSE ON THE 300 BLOCK OF MARY LOUISE ACTUALLY HAS SLATE TILE IN THE FRONT, BUT I STILL PUT IT ON THE MAP 'CAUSE IT'S ALL METAL ON THE BACK. SO THERE'S ALSO A HOUSE, SAME SITUATION, SHINGLED ON THE 400 BLOCK OF FUR. IT'S SHINGLED IN THE FRONT, BUT IT'S METAL ON THE BACK. SO [01:10:01] IN THEORY YOU COULD ALSO TAKE TWO OF THOSE OFF THAT LIST. BUT YOU SEE THE LACK OF THE NUMBER OF HOMES WITH THE METAL ROOF. WE HAVE ONE ON THE 100 BLOCK OF FUR, ONE ON THE 200 BLOCK OF FUR, AND TWO ON THE 400 BLOCK OF FUR. AND WE HAVE, UM, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS BEING CONSIDERED AT TWO 50. SO WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE FEEL THAT SUPPORTS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF MONTICELLO PARK DOES NOT COMPARE US TO OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND ALSO, UM, ADEQUATELY, UM, ENFORCES THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES THAT ARE GIVEN BASED ON OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF MASONRY HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND VERY, VERY FEW, UM, METAL ROOFS ON THERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF TILE, WHICH YOU DON'T SEE IN OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO THOSE ARE VERY CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS AND WHEN YOU INSTALL A METAL ROOF, IT CHANGES THE ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY OF THAT HOME AND ESSENTIALLY PROVIDES A FALSE NARRATIVE. UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON OF WHY, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO DO THAT, BUT WE ALSO LOOK AT SUBSTITUTION OF MATERIALS. YOU DON'T JUST SUBSTITUTE A HISTORIC MATERIAL JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER ON THE MARKET TODAY. AND I'D BE REMISS IF I DID NOT LET YOU KNOW THAT THE FABRICATOR WAS ON SITE AND STARTED FABRICATING ALL THE METAL PANELS FOR THIS ROOF AND THEY WERE LINED UP AND STACKED UP ON THE FRONT YARD. THAT'S HOW THIS CASE CAME TO BE. THEY DIDN'T JUST APPLY OUT OF THE BLUE AND COME HERE TODAY. THEY DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE THEY HADN'T TOUCHED THE HOUSE, BUT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MOBILIZATION OCCURRING ON THE FRONT YARD WITH FABRICATING OF THOSE STANDING METAL SEAM, UH, PANELS THAT WERE GONNA BE INSTALLED. AND THERE WAS NO PERMIT ON FILE AND IT DID GARNER A LOT OF ATTENTION IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A CONTRASTING MATERIAL TO OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT. SO PLEASE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT, SIR. JUST A MOMENT. I JUST WANT SOME CLARIFICATION BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO STAFF. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS WAS CALLED IN, BUT IT WAS NOT A VIOLATION, BUT THE MATERIALS WERE ALREADY ON SITE, WAS THAT CORRECT? UM, THAT WAS CORRECT. WE RECEIVED A REPORT, UM, THAT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF ROOFING REPLACEMENT HAPPENING ON SITE. SO, UM, STAFF DROVE BY NOTICED THAT THERE WAS SOME ROOF PANELS IN THE FRONT YARD AND WE, UM, INFORMED THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER THAT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND A PERMIT'S REQUIRED FOR, UM, FOR WORK. NOW, UM, OH, I'M SORRY. UM, SO WE, WE DID NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND, UM, LEFT A NOTICE JUST SAYING THAT THE, UH, ROOF REPLACEMENT WOULD REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND A PERMIT. NOW IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR MATERIALS TO BE DELIVERED AND WHILE THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS EITHER ABOUT TO BE INITIATED OR UNDERGOING THE PROCESS, UM, WE'RE WE'RE JUST HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, INFORM THE OWNER OF THE COA PROCESS AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. OKAY, SO JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION, NO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR PERMIT WAS EVEN REQUESTED AT THAT TIME? UM, NOT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, NO. OKAY. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS AND I'LL START TO MY LEFT. JUST A COMMENT, MADAM CHAIR, I WAS LOOKING AT THE HISTORY OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT, IT POINTS OUT THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED, UM, IN THE MID TWENTIES. UM, ORIGINALLY WHERE THE HIGH SCHOOL IS NOW WAS GOING TO BE A, A HOTEL THAT DID NOT COME TO PASS BECAUSE OF THE DEPRESSION. UH, BUT THAT PERIOD STARTING AT 25 MOVING FORWARD, SOME DELAYS BECAUSE OF DEPRESSION AND THEN ONWARD INTO THE POST-WAR ERA HELPED TO CAPTURE BOTH THE, THE PRESENCE EARLY ON OF THE TILE WORK, WHICH IS AN ELEMENT OF THAT PERIOD. AND ALSO THE, THE, UM, NOT ASBESTOS, UM, ASPHALT SHINGLES, UM, THAT WERE COMING INTO VOGUE, UH, PARTICULARLY, UM, AS A, AS A, AS A MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE WIDELY AVAILABLE AND LESS EXPENSIVE IN THE THIRTIES AND THEN ONWARD INTO THE POST-WAR ERA, UH, HOME EXPANSION BOOM. SO I WOULD POINT OUT THAT HISTORICALLY THERE ARE SOME POWERFUL ARGUMENTS HERE THAT SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF THIS AS, AS AN ELEMENT IN THE, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS OR COMMENTS TO MY LEFT? JASON MADAM CHAIR? THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS, UH, YOU MENTIONED LONG TERM STEWARDSHIP. LONG TERM STEWARDSHIP WOULD, UH, DICTATE THAT YOU PRESERVE, PRESERVE WHAT IS THERE? PRESERVE THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE HOME. [01:15:02] UM, AGAIN, THIS IS MY HOME DISTRICT. THIS IS, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. AND, UH, TUTOR REVIVALS DO NOT HAVE STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS. UM, YEAH, YOU POINTED OUT ALL THE TECHNICALITIES AND ALL THE GOOD STUFF ON THE WEBSITE. THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, NOT HAVING A WEB DESIGNER OR WHATEVER THAT UPDATED IT APPROPRIATELY. BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, AND THAT'S WHY I PULLED THAT FIRST AGENDA ITEM WAS TO STATE THE CASE. 'CAUSE I KNEW THIS ONE WAS COMING UP AND TO STATE THE CASE THAT YES, THAT STYLE OF HOME, THE CRAFTSMAN IN MONTE VISTA IS APPROPRIATE FOR A METAL STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. MM-HMM . THIS ONE IS NOT. AND HE ACTUALLY ALLUDED TO, UH, A TUDOR REVIVAL NOT HAVING A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF IF, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THAT BEING MENTIONED OUT LOUD, BUT STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR TUDOR REVIVALS. AND YEAH, YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE, UM, EXAMPLES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP AND LIKE THE LADY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID, UH, THE STYLES OF THOSE HOMES THAT DO HAVE THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS, THOSE AREN'T, ARE NOT THE SAME. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE FRAMED. THAT'S RIGHT. UH, THEY'RE FRAMED AND IF I'D LIKE THE, IS THAT ARIEL STILL AVAILABLE? THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR FROM THAT FIRST CASE. UM, BUT THIS IS EXACTLY TO STATE, STATE THE POINT THIS SAYS IT ALL RIGHT THERE. UM, SO I'LL BE IN, IN SUPPORT OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS, AND YES, THAT HOUSE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN NEGLECTED, UM, AND NEEDS MORE ATTENTION, UH, BESIDES THE ROOF. INVEST THAT MONEY FOR THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, PUT IT IN THE HOUSE, IT COULD USE SOME ATTENTION, UH, VERSUS UH, PUTTING IT ALL IN THE ROOF. I'M HAPPY TO CHIME IN ON YOUR CONCERN, SIR. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR, AM I ALLOWED TO? SORRY, YOU WERE ALREADY, YEAH, HAVE TO WAIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM, FROM OUR RIGHT? I JUST, UM, I HAVE A COMMENT, NO QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK JUST TO REITERATE WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN SAYING, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF WHAT A TUDOR REVIVAL HOUSE IS AND WHAT THE CHARACTERISTICS ARE OF THAT SPECIFIC STYLE. ONCE YOU APPLY IT TO REAL WORLD SCENARIOS, YOU MIGHT FIND A HOUSE THAT IS A TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE THAT ORIGINALLY HAD A STANDING SEAM ROOF. BUT THAT IS THE EXCEPTION, IT'S NOT THE RULE. UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A CHARACTERISTIC, UM, OF A TUDOR REVIVAL STYLE TO HAVE A STANDING SEAM ROOF. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE AND THE GUIDELINES, IT ACTUALLY SHOWS A HOUSE WITH A SHINGLE ROOF, UM, IN COM COMPARING IT TO OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. MON UM, MONTICELLO PARK WAS BUILT MUCH LATER THAN MONTE VISTA FOR EXAMPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF ORIGINAL STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS IN MONTE VISTA COMPARED TO MONTICELLO PARK JUST BECAUSE IT'S A MORE RECENT CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO YOU MENTIONED CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND THAT'S ANOTHER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MONTICELLO PARK AND OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THE PREDOMINANT ROOFING MATERIAL IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT IS A SHINGLE ROOF. UM, AND BECAUSE OF THOSE REASONS I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST TODAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, MA'AM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, I'LL GO AHEAD AT THIS TIME I WILL OPEN UP THE, UM, THE FLOOR FOR A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND I'M ABLE TO CHIME IN OR NO? NO SIR. NO YOU ARE NOT. ONCE IT OPENED UP FOR DISCUSSION, I HAVE ACTUALLY OPENED IT UP. SO IF YOU'LL PLEASE HAVE A SEAT PLEASE, SIR. THANK YOU. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. I LIKE TO HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE DAVIS. AYE GARCIA? AYE. SPILLER AYE. ZIKA AYE. FULLERTON? AYE. P*****K. AYE SPEEDS. AYE VASQUEZ. AYE. AND SEPULVEDA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. SIR, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME BACK AND JUST WORK WITH THE STAFF TO, SO WE CAN BE ABLE TO GET YOUR, UM, PROPERTY TAKEN CARE OF CORRECTLY. [01:20:01] THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.