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GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE, AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER.
I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICE MEETING INTO SESSION.
[Roll Call]
I'D LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT SUMMER GREATHOUSE, DISTRICT ONE, UH, PATRICIA GIBBONS, DISTRICT NINE, MARK WHITE, DISTRICT 10 JOHN BUSTAMANTE, DISTRICT FIVE.ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN, FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT MCDANIEL MAYOR.
WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE PUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, UM, PRIOR TO COMMENCING OUR MEETING, UH, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW OUR MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF.
THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.
STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST.
PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN THE 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT.
PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION.
FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THE REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING.
YOU WILL BE CALLED AN ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION.
YOU'LL HEAR THIS WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU'LL HEAR ANOTHER BEEP AND WE WILL INFORM YOU THAT YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.
FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES.
THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I, UM, DEFINITELY, UM, APPRECIATE, UM, THE SERVICE OF ALL MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
UM, THIS IS DEFINITELY WHAT A, A LABOR OF
UM, SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT, UM, GOING FORWARD, UM, WE ALWAYS REMEMBER WHY WE'RE HERE, WHICH IS INDEED FOR, UH, ZONING.
AND WE ALL MAY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEAS, UH, MAYBE AS DIFFERENT CASES, UH, COME FORWARD.
BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, UM, TRY TO PRACTICE CIVIL DISCOURSE AND WATCH THE CRITICISM.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE CRITICIZE IDEAS AS OPPOSED TO GROUPS OF PEOPLE, UM, NEIGHBORHOODS OR INDIVIDUALS, OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS OR WHOEVER IT MIGHT BE.
SO CRITICIZING OF IDEAS IS GOOD, AND WHOEVER THE CHAIR MIGHT BE, I WOULD HOPE THAT WHETHER IT'S BE OR SOMEONE ELSE IS THAT WE WOULD MAKE THIS A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR CRITICISM OF IDEAS, BUT STILL, UM, MAKE SURE THAT UH, NOBODY IS BEING, UM, TREATED, UM, DEROGATORY, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALL HUMAN AND WE ALL DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH DIGNITY.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.
SO WE WILL, UM, NOW PROCEED ON WITH OUR, UH, HEARING.
SO WE HAVE, UM, ONE THAT IS LISTED HERE ON THE AGENDA AS BEING, UH, POSTPONED.
[4. (Continued from 01/21/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700298 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-5 H AHOD" Residential Single-Family Dignowity Hill Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 H AHOD” Low Intensity Infill Development Zone Dignowity Hill Historic Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for three (3) dwelling units on Lot 12, Block 1, NCB 528, located at 415 Hays Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
MA'AM.ITEM NUMBER FOUR LOCATED AT FOUR 15 HAYES STREET IS POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY.
WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT WHEN THIS CASE IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WILL SEND NEW NOTICES INDICATING THE NEW DATE OF THE MEETING.
SO THIS WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
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VERY QUICKLY AT THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THIS LIST.WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER ONE, NUMBER THREE, FIVE, MICHAEL, NUMBER EIGHT WILL NEED TO BE MOVED OVER 9, 10, 12, AND 13.
ALL OF THESE ITEMS WILL BE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
[Items 2, 7, 11, 14 & 15]
TO THE COMBINED HEARING.THESE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO R SIX H L A H O D, LOCATED AT FOUR 13 EAST MISTLETOE AVENUE.
THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 11, I'M SORRY, NUMBER SEVEN, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN TO REZONE FROM I ONE A H O D TO I D Z THREE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN C THREE AND MULTIFAMILY UP TO 300 UNITS.
THERE WERE, UH, THIS IS LOCATED AT TWO 18 WEST JOSEPHINE STREET.
ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION.
AND TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
ITEM NUMBER 11, TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO MF 18.
GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 8,000 BLOCK OF OAKLAND ROAD AND EAST OF THE 5,700 BLOCK OF BABCOCK ROAD.
THERE WERE 42 NOTICES MAILED TO RECEIVED IN FAVOR TO AN OPPOSITION, NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 14 TO REZONE FROM C TWO C THREE I ONE, AND R SIX TO OH 1.5 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 12,600 BLOCK OF WEST AVENUE AND THE 200 BLOCK OF NORTH LOOP ROAD.
ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
ITEM NUMBER 15 TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO R FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME.
LOCATED AT 1 25 GLASS AVENUE, THERE WERE 23 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM COLLINS GARDENS.
UM, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER 2 7 11 14 AND 15.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
UM, I GUESS WE ONLY HAVE ONE LEFT ON COMBINED ITEM HERE.
[6. (Continued from 01/21/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700313 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 AHOD" Low Intensity Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for two (2) dwelling units on the north 97-feet of Lot A11, and the north 97-feet of the west 5.6-feet of Lot A12, NCB 1720, located at 302 East French Place. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)]
YES.ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO I D Z ONE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS.
THERE WERE, THIS IS LOCATED AT 3 0 2 EAST FRENCH PLACE.
THERE WERE 42 NOTICES MAILED, ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND TOBIN HILLS SUBMITTED A LETTER OF, UH, NON OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, PLEASE.
SO, UH, JAKE ODER, UH, I'M THE APPLICANT, UH, WORKING ON, UM, WITH THE, UH, THE OWNER AND BUILDER ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UH, THE OWNER ACTUALLY GREW UP IN THIS EIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO, TO HAVE THE, THE APPROVAL, UH, OF BOTH THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS SOME OF THE RESIDENTS.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.
WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH WITH SOME PLANS AND SOME MODIFICATIONS TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE, THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
SO WE WANNA WORK WITH THEM, UH, SO WE CAN BRING A,
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A NICE PRODUCT TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH AND AS WELL AS THE BUILDER.MR. DER, DID YOU WANT TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH? TWO WEEKS WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT IS A CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 18TH.
UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE OF ITEM NUMBER SIX TO FEBRUARY THE 18TH.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UM, FOR CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY THE 18TH AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
A WE'RE ONTO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS FOR
[1. ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700324 S ERZD (Council District 9): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 S MLOD-1 MLR-1 ERZD" Commercial Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Edwards Recharge Zone District with Specific Use Authorization for a Convenience Store with Gas Sales to "C-2 S MLOD-1 MLR-1 ERZD" Commercial Camp Bullis Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Edwards Recharge Zone District with Specific Use Authorization for a Carwash on 0.078 acres out of NCB 18387, located at 16525 Blanco Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Lorianne Thennes, Planner (210) 207-7945, lorianne.thennes, Development Services Department)]
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS LORIANN TENNIS PLANNER FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.THIS IS ITEM NUMBER ONE LOCATED AT 1 6 5 2 5 BLANCO ROAD.
AND IT'S A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C TWO SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE TO C TWO SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH.
NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO RETURNED IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATIONS TO THIS, THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
MAY WE HAVE SAWS PLEASE? MY GUEST ANTE WITH SAW AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION.
UH, WE'VE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION TO ALLOW A CAR WASH FACILITY AT 16 502 5 BLANCO ROAD.
THE CAR WASH ADDITION IS LOCATED ON 1.824 ACRES WITH AN OVERALL PROPOSED IMPERIOUS COVER OF SEVEN, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, 47%.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO REUSE GREATER THAN 80% OF THE WASH WATER, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE SAWS CONSERVATION WATER SAVER CAR WASH PROGRAM, AND, UH, ADHERE TO ALL OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE SAS REPORT.
UH, WE THEREFORE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE AUTOMATIC CAR WASH FACILITY.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO ONE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE.
OH, I'M GONNA DRINK MY CAFFEINE NOW.
MY NAME IS MITSUKO RAMOS WITH GOVERNMENT RELATIONS GROUP OF TEXAS.
I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER FOUR G ENTERPRISES, L L C.
MR. UMER KAJA IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
UM, I BELIEVE I HAVE A POWERPOINT.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 6 5 2 5 BLANCO ROAD IN DISTRICT NINE.
UH, CURRENTLY HAS AN EXISTING, UH, GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH WAS, UH, APPROVED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE IN 1993.
THERE IS A SMALL SECTION, UH, SECTION ONE POINT 12 IN THE 1993 ORDINANCE THAT REFERS TO A FUTURE CAR WASH.
HOWEVER, THOSE CONDITIONS BY SAWS ARE OUTDATED.
UM, I DID MEET WITH STAFF, THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL AND WE ALL AGREED THAT, UH, GOING THROUGH A ZONING CASE TO UPDATE THE SAWS CONDITIONS AND AND CONFIRM THAT THE UH, USE OF A CAR WASH WOULD BE PERMITTED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.
SO IN YOUR BACKUP, THERE SHOULD BE A SAWS RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND SO THE 2020 ZONING ORDINANCE, IF APPROVED, WOULD INCLUDE THE UPDATED, UM, SAWS CONDITIONS AND THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CURRENT U D C REQUIREMENTS.
THE SYSTEM THAT THEY'LL BE USING FOR WATER RECLAMATION HAS TWO UH, PORTIONS OF IT.
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AND THE SECOND PORTION IS AN ABOVE GROUND, UH, CONTRAPTION THAT WILL HELP SEPARATE THE GREASE AND THE, UH, SEDIMENTS FROM THE WATER.THE POTENTIAL OF WATER RECLAMATION IS 98%.
I ASKED THE PURE, PURE CLEAN, UM, AND PURE WATER MANUFACTURER TO PREPARE A DOCUMENT THAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE SPECIFIC SITE AND THE LOWEST WATER RECLAMATION THAT THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY CAN GUARANTEE IS 81%.
SO IT EXCEEDS SAWS RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IT CAN BE UP TO 98% DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON A DESIGN THAT WILL HELP RECAPTURE THE WATER AS IT'S LEAVING.
THE VEHICLES ARE LEAVING THE, UH, CAR WASH SO THAT THE, THE WATER WILL DRAIN BACK INTO THE CAR WASH FACILITY.
THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE AREA THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE ZONING CASE.
YOU'LL SEE ALONG BLINKO ROAD, THERE'S AN EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE AS WELL AS A GAS STATION.
THOSE, THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE ZONING CASE SINCE IT ALREADY HAS A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR THOSE USES.
THE AREA THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE IS THE SMALL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE ZONING CASE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR THE, UM, IT'S A ONE CAR TUNNEL SMALL CAR WASH.
THE EXHIBIT OF THE CURRENT ZONING MAP, IT SHOWS THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED MF 33 AND C THREE NA.
I DID SPEAK WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OF PANTHER SPRINGS APARTMENTS AND HER NAME IS KIM HOEK.
SHE CONFIRMED THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD SUPPORT THIS ZONING CASE AS LONG AS THE CAR WASH IS LOCATED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS, CAN SEE IT IS.
UM, I ALSO SPOKE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE OFFICE BUILDING CARLOS MANE.
UM, HE ALSO SUPPORTS THE ZONING CASE AS LONG AS WE CONSIDER PUTTING UP A PRIVACY FENCE.
HERE'S AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH IS THE MULTI-FAMILY UNIT AND THE SOUTH IS AN OFFICE BUILDING.
FURTHER SOUTH IS A RESTAURANT.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
SINCE THERE'S NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS.
I HAVE MET WITH, UM, MS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
I'LL OPEN UP TO COMMISSIONERS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
SO, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS MAD CHAIR.
UH, CASE NUMBER ONE, I RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
UM, THE SECOND CAME WHAT'S COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL? RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER? OH, NO.
[3. ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700020 HL (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3NA MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-3NA HL MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Historic Landmark Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 1, Block 1, NCB 6230, located at 4007 South Flores Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, Mercedes.Rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
ALL RIGHT.OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C THREE NA GENERAL COMMERCIAL TO C THREE NA HISTORIC LANDMARK.
UH, 35 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ZERO.
WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE TO TWO 18.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I WORK FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE AS THE SCOUT, AS A PROGRAM MANAGER.
UM, THE CASE YOU'RE HEARING TODAY IS FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF 4,007 SOUTH FLORES.
WE CALL THIS BUILDING THE TO-DOS BUILDING.
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STAFF WAS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL LAST MONTH TO INITIATE THIS ZONING CHANGE FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.UM, BUT, UH, AS MENTIONED TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS IN ORDER TO BRING THE CASE BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, I DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON THE CASE SO YOU COULD KIND OF BE FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS.
SO, UM, IF WE COULD RUN THROUGH THAT REALLY QUICKLY, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
SO THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PROPERTY WAS NOTED, UM, BY O H P STAFF AS EARLY AS 2018, WE HAD ACTUALLY RECEIVED, OR REVIEWED RATHER, A REQUEST TO CLOSE TO DO STREET, WHICH IS SORT OF THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, AT THAT TIME, O H P STAFF PROVIDED FEEDBACK, NOTING SPECIFICALLY THAT THE STRUCTURE WAS AN ELIGIBLE LANDMARK.
UM, THERE WAS AN ASSOCIATED ZONING CASE FOR A LARGER PROJECT TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY IN 2019.
AND AGAIN, UM, O H P STAFF REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT TIME TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL DEMOLITION BASED ON WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED FOR THAT PROJECT.
UM, THIS BUILDING, IF YOU WANNA FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR ME, OR DO I HAVE CONTROL HERE? THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1926.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIFTH LOCATION OF THE TO-DOS FAMILIES, UH, CHAIN OF DEPARTMENT STORES IN ITS EARLY YEARS.
THAT SECOND FLOOR WAS ACTUALLY USED AS A COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO IT HOSTED DANCES, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, CONCERTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UH, AND THEN BY 1941, THE, UH, THE USE HAD CHANGED TO BE ENTIRELY RETAIL ON BOTH FLOORS.
AND THEN, UM, AND EVEN EXPANDED IN THE REAR, UH, SORT OF TO SHOW, I THINK THE, THE GROWTH IN THIS AREA.
UM, UH, AND CITYWIDE IN, IN THAT EARLY FORTIES PERIOD, THE STORE REMAINED OPEN UNTIL 1982.
UM, THE TO-DOS UH, RETAIL CHAIN ACTUALLY EXISTED UP UNTIL ABOUT 2011.
UM, SO THIS DID CLOSE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN, UH, THE, THE LARGER CHAIN DID.
UM, AND THEN THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2018.
UM, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION DID HEAR THIS CASE TO CONSIDER ITS ELIGIBILITY AS A LANDMARK.
AND SO THAT HAPPENED, UH, IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, CITY COUNCIL, UM, CONSIDERED A RESOLUTION AND, AND APPROVED A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE THIS ZONING CHANGE FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
UM, AND AGAIN, UH, UH, TODAY WE JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU, UM, SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND THEN, UH, REQUEST THAT, UH, CONTINUANCE SO WE COULD COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
UH, THAT BODY WILL ACTUALLY HEAR THIS CASE TOMORROW IN THIS ROOM.
UM, AND WE'RE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? MICHAEL? NO.
SORRY, MR. GRANADOS, YOU'LL NEED TO SIGN IN FOR YOUR MINUTES.
IS, IS, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE? YEAH.
MY NAME IS VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, AND I'M REPRESENTING THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I JUST THOUGHT I'D MENTION WE NOW, THE MAKING HISTORY BY SAVING HISTORY.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.
ZONING COMMISSION AGENDA ITEM THREE.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR A FINDING OF HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 4,007 SOUTH FLOORS.
THE BUILDING RETAINS ITS HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, DESPITE BEING OBSCURED BY PAINT AND SIGNAGE.
THE BUILDING REPRESENTS AN IMPORTANT CHAPTER IN SAN ANTONIO HISTORY AS IT WAS CONSTRUCTED BY AC TO DEUCE WHO HAD A SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCE ON THE COMMERCIAL HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
ARCHITECTURALLY THE BUILDING UTILIZED PAST, CONCRETE, AND BRICK TO CREATE A SPANISH ECLECTIC VARIATION ON THE PREVALENCE COMMERCIAL STYLE.
THE SECOND FLOOR ORIGINALLY HOSTED THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO DEUCE HALL AND ITS LOCATION AT FLORIST IN PLEASANTON IS AN ESTABLISHED AND FAMILIAR FEATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE CONCUR WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION THAT THE BUILDING MEETS FOUR OF THE CRITERIA FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, PATTY Z PRESIDENT.
AND ALSO WE PASSED OUT, UH, A STATEMENT ON AGENDA ITEM TWO, WHICH ALREADY PASSED.
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YOU.MARK GRANADOS HAS NINE MINUTES.
I'M ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE DID OUR STANDARD DUE DILIGENCE.
IT WAS ZONE C THREE, WHICH IS WHAT THE ZONING, WE WANTED TO DO A CAR WASH.
THERE WAS NEVER, NEVER ANY DISCLOSURE THAT THIS BUILDING COULD BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC.
NOTHING IN THE AREA IS CONSIDERED HISTORIC.
WE'RE NOT CLOSE TO ANY HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
WE'RE NOT CLOSE TO THE MISSIONS.
WE INSTEAD A ZONING CASE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH IS OWNED BY A SEPARATE GROUP OF PARTNERS.
WE WERE REZONED TO C TWO AND A TO DO A SHOPPING CENTER.
THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF VACANT HOUSES THAT ARE A DANGER TO COMMUNITY.
DURING THE ZONING PROCESS, CHRIS VOW FROM VE GRAND'S OFFICE KEPT SAYING, WHAT ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE? WHAT ABOUT THE NORTH SIDE? AND WE TOLD HIM THE NORTH SIDE IS OWNED BY A DIFFERENT GROUP.
AND HE INSISTED, INSISTED, INSISTED.
UH, HE WANTED, IF, IF WE WOULD'VE AGREED TO INCLUDE THE NORTH SIDE AND MADE IT C TWO AND A, THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
THIS IS NOT HIS HISTORIC CASE.
THIS IS A DISGUISED DOWN ZONING CASE.
COUNCIL COUNCILMAN GRO, WHO'S RUNNING FOR MAYOR, FEELS LIKE IT STARTS A DOWN ZONING CASE.
IT'LL ALL, IT'LL HAMPER HER ABILITY TO RAISE MONEY WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
IT HAS TO MEET FOUR CRITERIA TO BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC.
NO ONE AT HISTORIC IS AN ARCHITECT.
I HAVE A LETTER FROM MARK NEVILLE WHO IS AN A I A AND HE DISAGREES THAT IT REFLECTS A SPANISH ELECTED STRUCTURE.
BECAUSE THIS IS SPANISH, EXCUSE ME, SPANISH ECLECTIC, NOT WHAT'S HERE.
ALSO, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN INTERESTING HAS BEEN COVERED OVER, OVER TIME.
OKAY? SO THE TWO ARCHITECTURAL THINGS THEY BRING UP, WE CAN REFUTE.
OKAY? BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT OUTTA THE FOLLOWING.
TWO, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ONE OF 'EM TO MOVE FORWARD.
IN THE PRESENTATION THAT HISTORIC GAVE US, IT SAID THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1926 AND STILL EXISTS, THAT THE SAME SPOT HAS NOT BEEN MOVED IS HISTORIC.
BECAUSE TO BE U IT THE QUALIFIED HAS TO BE UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY IT'S UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT HASN'T MOVED, THEN YOU'VE JUST SAID 99.99% OF SAN ANTONIO IS UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE MOVED.
IF YOU SAID IT WAS A FAIRMONT HOTEL AND HAD BEEN MOVED, THEN YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE MOVING OF THE BUILDING WAS HISTORIC EVENT.
SO YOU CAN'T COUNT THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING IS IN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION AS UNIQUE AND SIGNIFICANT.
SECONDLY, THEY BRING UP THE TUDORS FAMILY.
STAFF NEVER WENT AND TALKED TO THE TUTU FAMILY.
WILSON TUTU'S FAMILY OWNED THAT OPERATION.
HE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THEY'RE A FAILED BUSINESS.
SO IF WE WANT TO SAY THAT BEING A FAILED BUSINESS IS HISTORIC, THEN EVERY HANDY ANDY, EVERY OLD FIRST MATE, EVERY HANDY, DAN, EVERY SUMMER'S DRUG STORE, ON AND ON AND ON IS HISTORIC BECAUSE IT FAILED THE TIMEFRAME FOR WHICH THEY SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT IS THAT THE SECOND FLOOR WAS A CIVIC HALL.
IT HASN'T BEEN A CIVIC HALL SINCE 1939.
NO ONE EVER BROUGHT UP THAT IT WAS HISTORIC.
THE BUILDING'S BEEN VACANT FOR EIGHT YEARS.
NO ONE EVER BROUGHT UP HISTORIC.
IT ONLY BECAME HISTORIC WHEN I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
SO LET'S SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING BEING HISTORIC.
THIS IS A DOWN ZONING CASE IN A WRAPAROUND.
SO WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN.
BUT WHAT I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS YOU NEED THREE THINGS.
TWO OF THEM WE WILL REFUTE IN GREAT DETAIL BY AN ARCHITECT, NOT SOMEONE WHO HAS AN ART HISTORY OR WHATEVER THE, THE STAFF IS USING.
OKAY? SO HOW CAN YOU SAY AN AI AI ARCHITECT KNOWS LESS ABOUT HISTORIC THAN STAFF? AND THEN SECONDLY, HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? BECAUSE SOMETHING IS CONSISTENT WITH 99.99% OF THIS TOWN.
THOSE ARE CONTRADICTORY TERMS. OKAY? SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE ISH FAMILY STAFF THINK SO MUCH OF THE TUTU'S NAME, THEY SUED THE TUUS FAMILY AT BONNO VISTA AND COMMERCE.
SO ARE THEY GOOD FAMILY OR ARE THEY BAD FAMILY? WE DIDN'T START THE CASE TO CLOSE TOOO STREET, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO US.
SO THEY'RE WILLING TO LET YOU CLOSE TUDU STREET AND GET RID OF THE NAME.
SO THE NAMES ON A STREET IS NOT SIGNIFICANT.
IT'S NOT A BUILDING THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
THE TUDU FAMILY WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
THEY DON'T THINK IT'S HISTORIC.
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IS ABOUT USE, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT USES FOR THIS PROPERTY, I HAVE 11 SPACES FOR 20,000 SQUARE FEET, I COULDN'T EVEN PARK EMPLOYEES.PLUS I WOULD HAVE TO GO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO WHEN I GO TO BUILDING PERMIT, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A CONTINUOUS CURB.
THEY'RE GONNA DO WITH A DO AWAY WITH THAT AND GIMME TWO CURB CUTS.
THE REQUIRED THROAT DISTANCE UNDER D D C GOES ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO IN THEORY, I CAN'T EVEN GET ONTO THE PROPERTY ANYMORE.
OKAY? WHEN YOU DO AWAY WITH, WITH THE CONTINUOUS CURB, I GET DOWN TO SIX PARKING SPACES.
SO I HAVE SIX PARKING SPACES FOR 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
I'VE COME UP WITH SOME PRETTY CREATIVE THINGS.
I TORE DOWN CENTRAL PARK MALL AND BUILT SOMETHING.
NO ONE THOUGHT WOULD EVER WORK.
YOU KNOW, WE TORE DOWN ALL THE SHOPPING CENTERS ALL OVER TOWN AND BUILT BRAND NEW STRUCTURES.
WE BASICALLY STARTED CITY-BASED LANDING BY DOING OUR FOUR SHOPPING CENTERS OUT THERE.
WE KNOW A LOT ABOUT DOING STUFF IN THESE TYPE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE TORE DOWN AN ORPHANAGE TO MAKE A WAY FOR A SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE IS NOTHING HISTORIC ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
AND IF YOU KEEP IT, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS.
IT EITHER STAYS VACANT FOREVER BECAUSE I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
OR THERE IS ONE USE I CAN DO, WHICH NONE OF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE.
AND IS THERE ANYBODY FROM DISTRICT ONE HERE? OKAY, WHAT IS THE MOST REVILED BUILDING IN DISTRICT ONE? WE'RE NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS, SIR.
FREDERICKSBURG AND I 10 WHERE PEOPLE URINATE AND DEFECATE ON THE SIDEWALK.
I'M ALLOWED BY RIGHT TO DO THAT IN THIS BUILDING.
I DON'T HAVE TO ASK ANYBODY'S PERMISSION.
AND SINCE IT DOESN'T NEED ANY PARKING
WE WOULD MUCH RATHER TEAR THIS DOWN, TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING AND STUFF, SAYING, BUILD SOMETHING NEW AND EXCITING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVERYBODY WANTS THE SHOPPING CENTER, BUT IF YOU LEAVE THIS BUILDING IN FRONT, THE SHOPPING CENTER, YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
IF YOU TRY AND GET ON FROM OOS ONTO FLORES, THE BUILDING BLOCKS THE VISIBILITY.
SO THERE'S NOTHING HISTORIC ABOUT THIS.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SORT.
SHE DENIED ME ZONING ON GOAD ROAD FOR A CAR WASH.
SO LET'S, LET'S DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE FOR WHAT IT IS.
THE OTHER THING IS, THIS BUILDING WILL NEVER UNDER ANY STRETCH OF CIRCUMSTANCES, GET A BUILDING PERMIT OR A CO.
I'VE TALKED WITH ROD SANCHEZ A GREAT LENGTH.
AND EVEN IF WE SO COULD FIND SOME MAGICAL WAY TO GIVE IT A BUILDING PERMIT, IT'LL NEVER COMPLY WITH A D A, WHICH IS A FEDERAL REGULATION.
I COULD NEVER OCCUPY THE BUILDING UNDER ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WAVE A D A, IT'S FEDERAL.
SO WE JUST WANT YOU TO THINK THROUGH.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THESE PARTS OF SAN ANTONIO, COLLIBRA, ZZA MOORE, FREDERICKSBURG, BANDERA, MILITARY DRIVE, REBUILDING COMMUNITIES.
YOU CAN SEE OUR WORK ALL OVER TOWN AND EVERYWHERE WE DO IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GETS BETTER.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY PUBLIC MONEY.
BUILD A SHOPPING CENTER, WE AGREE TO NO ALCOHOL.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THE TYPE OF CON CONSUMERS THAT SHOP HERE.
WE'RE GONNA BRING 'EM THOSE GOODS.
THE USE HERE IS FOR COMMERCIAL.
OKAY? SO LET'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
LET'S MAKE SOME PROGRESS FOR REBUILDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE ASK YOUR SUPPORT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM.
UM, I AM MYSELF VERY INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS HISTORIC AND, UM, GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION.
SO I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONTINUANCE, BUT I'M OPEN.
ANYBODY, UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT, UH, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? YES.
UM, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, I GUESS FOR THE, UM, OWNER OF THE BUILDING.
IF I COULD ASK A REAL QUICK QUESTION.
CAN, CAN YOU GO INSIDE THE BUILDING IN ANY SAFE MANNER? NO.
THE BUILDING IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND.
THE BUILDING COULD STAY FOREVER.
WHAT BECOMES AN ISSUE IS THAT EVEN IF IT'S DESIGNATED HISTORIC, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
OKAY? THE ONLY THING YOU MAKE ME DO IS COMPLY WITH THE VACANT BUILDING STANDARDS, WHICH MEANS I HAVE TO BOARD UP THE WINDOWS.
IT'S ALREADY BOARDED UP, BUT THEY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONSTANT BATTLE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE OUTTA THERE.
IS THERE ANY GRAFFITI ON THE BUILDING? OH, ALL OVER.
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ALL OVER OCCUPIERS?THEY SENT ME THIS LETTER, AND IT, THAT'S VERY CLEAR, IS ONCE THEY SEND ME THAT LETTER, I CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO THE BUILDING, WHICH MEANS I COULDN'T TAKE DOWN THE SIGNS.
I CAN'T PAY IT OVER THE GRAFFITI.
UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, UM, ABOUT THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THE A D A COMPLIANCE THAT MR. GRANADOS SPOKE ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS? SURE.
I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO TALK SPECIFICALLY, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN NO CONVERSATION ABOUT ACTUAL PERMITS FOR THIS BUILDING.
SO I, I CAN'T ADDRESS ANY SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT HE'S FACING.
BUT IN GENERAL, UM, WE, THE CITY DOES ADOPT THE INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE WITH, WITH MODIFICATIONS.
AND THERE ARE WAYS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DEAL WITH MEETING THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE BUILDING CODE WHILE ALSO UNDERSTANDING THE CONSTRAINTS OF A HISTORIC BUILDING.
AND SO, AND THE SAME IS TRUE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, WE DEFINITELY ARE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH MR. GRANADOS AND THE RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH WHAT SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES MIGHT BE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, THERE ARE INTERIM CONTROLS IN PLACE WHILE A PROPERTY IS GOING THROUGH THE DESIGNATION PROCESS.
BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT BASICALLY THERE'S JUST DESIGN REVIEW REQUIRED.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING, IT JUST MEANS THAT, UM, WE WOULD REVIEW WHATEVER THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE.
SO THINGS LIKE PAINTING OVER A GRAFFITI ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE POSSIBLE TO HAPPEN, UM, WHILE THIS PROCESS IS UNDERWAY.
AND ALSO, UM, JUST TO REFRESH MY MEMORY ON THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE, IS, DOES THAT REQUIRE THAT BUILD THAT WINDOWS ARE BOARDED UP? UM, NO.
ACTUALLY THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT PROPERTIES MEET A STANDARD OF CARE THAT'S ADOPTED IN THAT ORDINANCE.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY, I ALWAYS LIKE TO DESCRIBE IT AS THE BUILDING SHOULD LOOK LIKE IT COULD BE OCCUPIED.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEASE IT OR OCCUPY IT, BUT IT, THE WINDOWS HAVE TO BE FIXED.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY CAN'T BE BOARDED.
UM, THE WINDOWS ARE, THE DOORS HAVE TO BE REPAIRED.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT, LIKE ROOF, ANYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR ENVELOPE, IT BASICALLY SHOULD LOOK LIKE SOMEONE COULD OCCUPY IT, WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO OCCUPY IT OR NOT.
SO THE BUILDING AS IT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING WITH BOARDED UP WINDOWS, IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
OUR OWNER, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT ORDINANCE THAT THE BUILDING NEEDS TO HAVE? IT CANNOT BE BOARDED UP IF IT'S VACANT.
THE PROPERTY'S BEEN IN THAT CONDITION FOR EIGHT YEARS AND NO ONE'S EVER SAID ANYTHING.
NOW THAT THEY'VE PREVENTED ME FROM DOING ANYTHING, I CAN'T EVEN GO COMPLY WITH A NEW ORDINANCE BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO GO GET HER PERMISSION.
SECONDLY, ROD SANCHEZ, MIKE SHANNON WILL TELL YOU I PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT REHABBING INNER CITY PROPERTIES LIKE THIS THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN TOWN.
AND I'VE HAD GREAT DISCUSSIONS WITH ROD AND HE AGREES THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN COMPLY WITH ANYTHING.
YES, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT COULD GIVE US A VARIANCE ON PARKING, BUT WHAT I'M GONNA DO, TELL EVERYBODY TO PARK IN THE STREET IN THE FRONT OF THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES.
AT BEST, AT BEST, IF THEY WOULD WAIVE THE CONTINUOUS PARKING, I WOULD HAVE 11 PARKING SPACES FOR, FOR 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY? UH, A YEAR AND A HALF.
STAFF CAN TAKE CONTROL OF MY PROPERTY, TAKE CONTROL OF ALL THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT, TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME, BUT STICK ME WITH THE BILLS.
I DON'T SEE THEM OFFERING TO HELP ME.
I DIDN'T WANNA GO BACK ON MY QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU.
SORRY, I I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, ARE THERE ANY NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA WHERE YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO A COOPERATIVE PARKING AGREEMENT? NO, BUT LET ME SUGGEST TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT WE SUGGESTED TO COMMISSIONER VILLAGRANDE THAT SHE SAID NO TO.
WE OFFERED TO SAY WE WOULD AGREE TO HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON THE BUILDING.
IN EXCHANGE, WE WANTED A A HALF ACRE OF THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET ZONE C TWO AND A SPECIAL USE CAR WASH.
AND THAT WAY WE COULD KEEP THE BUILDING.
I'M NOT SAYING I'D DO ANYTHING WITH IT, BUT IF IT'S HISTORIC, EVERYBODY COULD HAVE THEIR HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND I COULD HAVE MY CAR WASH.
AND THAT'S ABOUT A FAIR SWAP AS YOU WILL EVER GET.
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AND SHE TOLD US NO, SHE SAID, I DON'T WANT THE CAR WASH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.AND AS ROB KILEN AND BILL KAUFMAN CAN TELL YOU I COULDN'T SPELL COMPROMISE IF HE GAVE ME THE CONSONANTS AND VS.
BUT ROB TWISTED MY ARM, SAID, MARK, GIVE EVERYBODY THE WAY OUT.
SO HE SAID, FINE, WE'LL, WE'LL AGREE TO LET IT BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC IN EXCHANGE FOR HAVING A, LIKE AMOUNT OF LAND ON THE SOUTH SIDE ZONE FOR THE CAR WASH.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PARKING, NO, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AREA THERE, ALL THAT AREA IS RESIDENTIAL.
THE ONLY ONE THAT COULD, COULD GRANT ADDITIONAL PARKING IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND THAT'S ME IN A DIFFERENT, MY RIGHT HAND VERSUS THE LEFT HAND.
THANK OKAY, COMM, YOU HAD ANOTHER, UH, OKAY, WAIT, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, THEN COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, AND THEN I THINK THAT'LL BE
SO, UH, I DO SEE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH SIDE OF TODOS? YES.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THE, THE BASIC TRIAL ABOUT THERE, I OWN THAT IN A SEPARATE ENTITY.
I OWN THE NORTH SIDE AND A SEPARATE ENTITY.
I I MEAN I I I DO SEE SOME OTHER AREAS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, COOPERATIVE PARKING AGREEMENT WOULD MEAN WITH, WITH A, WITH ANOTHER ENTITY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE APPLICANT'S OWNER.
IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? SO IT WOULD BE BE DOING A COOPERATIVE PARKING, THE, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW UNDER THE U D C OFFSITE PARKING IS NOT ALLOWED.
SO I'D HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BOARD OF VARIANCE TO GET A, AN OFFSITE PAR PARKING AGREEMENT.
DO YOU WANNA COMMENT? SO, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS IN WHICH, UH, YOU CAN MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS, A COOPERATIVE PARKING AGREEMENT.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE PROPERTIES WITHIN 600 FEET, UM, OR, UM, A REZONING TO, UH, NOT ALLOW OR, UH, TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING REQUIREMENTS OR A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WAIVER, UH, FOR THAT PARTICULAR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS WHAT MR. CORONADOS IS TALKING ABOUT.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, THAT THIS'LL CON UH, BE THE LAST ROUND.
SO BEFORE YOU PURCHASED IT, IT WAS, IT WAS STILL OWNED BY THE TUDO FAMILY? NO, IT HAD BEEN SOLD TO, UH, MR. GARZA WHO OPERATED A FURNITURE STORE THERE FROM 1982 TO 2010.
AND HE CLOSED DOWN THE, THE BUILDING'S BEEN FOR SALE FOR LIKE EIGHT YEARS UNTIL WE BOUGHT IT.
AND DO, ARE YOU AWARE IF ANYONE APPROACHED TIM THAT IT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC? NO.
IN FACT, PRIOR TO US, HE WAS LOOKING TO DO A DEAL WHERE THEY WOULD TEAR DOWN EVERYTHING TO BUILD A CONVENIENCE STORE.
UH, NEXT TIME, UH, SINCE I'M PROPOSING FOR THIS TO BE, UM, CONTINUED, BUT THE NEXT TIME THERE'LL BE REBUTTAL
UM, ANY OTHER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NOPE.
I'M GOING TO, UM, MOVE THAT, UH, WE, UH, CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER THREE UNTIL, UM, THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS FEBRUARY THE, UM, SHE THE 18TH? MM-HMM.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE ROLL? CALL, VOTE, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
[5. (Continued from 01/21/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700309 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "RM-4 AHOD" Residential Mixed Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-2 AHOD" Medium Intensity Infill Development Zone Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for seven (7) residential dwelling units on Lot 19, Block 14, NCB 611, located at 220 South Olive Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Lorianne Thennes, Planner (210) 207-7945, lorianne.thennes, Development Services Department)]
NUMBER FIVE, LOCATED AT TWO 20 SOUTH OLIVE STREET IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM RMM FOUR TO IDZ TWO WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SEVEN DWELLING UNITS.34 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
ONE WAS RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE WAS RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.
DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER RESIDENT OUTSIDE THE BUFFER IN SUPPORT AS WELL AS FOUR OTHERS OUTSIDE THE BUFFER IN OPPOSITION.
STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATIONS TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? HELLO AGAIN,
UH, WELL THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE STARTED LAST, UH, LAST MEETING IN WHICH, UH, AS I HAVE BEEN SHARING TO YOU ALL, PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT AREA, IT'S R M FOUR,
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THE SIZE OF THE LOT IS, UH, 11,800 PLUS SQUARE FOOT.SO AS A MATTER IN FACT, UH, WE COULD DIVIDE, UH, UH, AND THAT WAS THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, OF THE CITY STAFF.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST DIVIDE THE LOT INTO TWO AND HAVE TO RM FORCE, UH, WHICH, IF YOU COULD GO BACK AGAIN, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S THIS LOT OVER HERE.
UH, SO THE FIRST APPROACH OF THE, UH, OF THE CITY, UH, OR, OR WHAT THEY SHARED TO ME IS THAT I COULD DIVIDE IT INTO TWO, HAVE TWO RMM FOURS AND BEING ABLE TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, 80 UNITS.
WHAT, WHAT I TOLD THEM IS THAT I WAS, THAT, THAT I'D RATHER GO WITH I D Z BECAUSE IT WAS FASTER, YOU KNOW, TO GO THROUGH THE ZONING CHANGE, TELLING YOU THE TRUTH RATHER THAN GOING TO, TO A PLAT AND INSTEAD OF GOING TO EIGHT UNITS JUST TO BUILD SEVEN UNITS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M REQUESTING TODAY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE ZONING CHANGE AND BE ABLE TO BUILD SOME MANY UNITS.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK BILL HENER, FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER RAMAGE.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, I WAS AT THE DENVER HEIGHTS ASSOCIATION MEETING ON OR JANUARY AND I SPOKE WITH THE PRESIDENT AND I SPOKE WITH SOME OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD MEMBERS.
AND WHEN I POINTED OUT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A MULTI-STORY PROJECT, THEY ALL WENT, OH NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS.
THEY THINK IT'S GONNA BE JUST A INDIVIDUAL HOUSE.
I LIVE AT 1123 WYOMING, AND UH, I HAVE A BUILDING LIKE HE'S PROPOSING THE BUILD THAT BUTTS RIGHT UP TO MY BACKYARD.
THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU SEE IN THE FRONT, THE, UH, THE TIN THING IS, IS A FENCE RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE CAMERA THAT LOOKS INTO MY YARD.
AND MY NEIGHBORS FROM NEXT DOOR THAT ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND THIS ARE ALSO HERE AND HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
I BELIEVE MY CONCERN IS AS A PROPERTY OWNER, BY CHANGING THE ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOT, IT'S GONNA CREATE THE DOMINO EFFECT WHERE AS ANYBODY COMES IN TO ASK FOR A ZONING CHANGE, IT'S GONNA BE, I THINK Y'ALL WOULD BE VERY HARD PRESSED BASED ON PRECEDENCE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, NO, IT HAS TO STAY RM FOUR AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY, AS THEY WOULD SAY IN THE COUNTRY, LET THE PIG OUTTA THE GATE.
YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S RUNNING, IT'S RUNNING, UM, CONTINUE TO SCROLL.
AND IT'S NOT A, THEY'RE NOT BAD LOOKING BUILDINGS, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THOSE ARE THE BALCONIES THAT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO MY YARD AS WELL.
THAT FENCE, THE WOODEN FENCE IS SIX FEET HIGH.
WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS THE MORE THAT YOU INCREASE THE POPULATION DENSITY THERE, THE LESS PARKING THERE'S GOING TO BE, THE MORE ISSUES THERE'RE GOING TO BE AS WELL.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THOSE HOUSES TO SAY, WELL, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS NEXT TO YOU.
AND THEN IT HAS A FOURTH STORY, WHICH IS AN OBSERVATION DECK ON TOP.
AND IN DISCUSSING WITH THE DEVELOPER WHO'S, HE TOLD ME, WELL, I'M GONNA BUILD THE EXACT SAME THING OVER THERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE AND PUT, THERE'S FOUR UNITS THERE.
WE'RE GONNA PRESS SEVEN UNITS INTO THIS OTHER LOT IF THERE'S A ZONING CHANGE.
AND WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT DIVIDING OR RE PLATTING THAT, THAT, THAT PARTICULAR LOT, THE SECOND HALF OF THAT LOT, WHERE'S THE ACCESS GONNA COME FROM? IT'S GOING TO BE OFF OF THE ALLEY, WHICH AS THE CONSTRUCTION'S BEEN GOING ON WITH THAT ALLEY, OUR ALLEY'S BEEN BLOCKED OFF FOR SINCE THE CONSTRUCTION PRETTY MUCH STARTED.
THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.
FOLLOWED BY ISAAC SANCHEZ, JENNIFER RAMAGE AT 1 1 2 3 WYOMING STREET.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A BIT OF GROUNDHOG DAY GOING
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ON.I KNOW WE JUST SAW YOU GUYS TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, WHILE WE'RE PLAYING SHOW AND TELL WITH HOUSES, I WASN'T PLANNING TO SHOW A PHOTO, BUT I DO HAVE ONE ON MY PHONE.
YOU SAW THE PHOTO FROM THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE HOUSES IN DENVER HEIGHTS LOOKED LIKE LAST WEEK.
FROM WHAT WE CAN SEE IN RESEARCH, IT'S VERY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE, THE HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AS OUR DEVELOPER SHOWED LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, I'M SORRY, THERE ARE SOME THAT BADLY NEED TO BE REPAIRED OR TORN DOWN, BUT THERE ARE A LOT THAT LOOK LIKE OURS AND THEY'RE CONTINUING TO WORK RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.
THE WINDOWS ARE BOARDED UP, BUT THEY'RE THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY.
THEY'RE CLEANING OUT THE BACK.
AND THEIR PLAN FOR IT IS TO RENOVATE IT AS IT IS AND RENT IT OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE.
SO THERE'S A FEEL TO THIS COMMUNITY.
THE, THESE HOUSES, THEY LOOK LIKE THIS.
WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE RIGHT NOW LOOKS NOTHING LIKE WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS.
AND I SEE IT WHEN WE GO TO AUSTIN.
YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE IS THAT WE CAN'T REPLACE THESE THINGS.
AND AS THEY CONTINUE TO MOVE IN, IT CHANGES THE RHYTHM, IT ENCOURAGES THE DESTRUCTION OF THE OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE THERE.
UM, THE PARKING IS A MAJOR ISSUE THAT MY HUSBAND ADDRESSED ALREADY.
WE HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH THAT BECAUSE THESE HOUSES WEREN'T BUILT WITH GARAGES.
SO EVERYBODY EITHER PARKS ON THE STREET OR IN THE YARD, OR I'M SORRY, IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND SO WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THAT, IT WAS BUILT TO ABSORB INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCES.
AND NOW YOU HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE ON ONE LOT.
THAT WAS ONLY MEANT FOR ONE FAMILY.
THESE STREETS ARE SO POTHOLED AND DAMAGED THAT IT, WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS.
WE HAVE TO TAKE WHAT'S APPROVED RIGHT NOW.
BUT I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY VARIANCE AS TAKING PLACE FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HE JUST SUGGESTED.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM EXPERIENCE IS THAT WHAT THE DEVELOPERS PROMISE AND WHAT THE DEVELOPERS DELIVER ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME THING.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
ISAAC SANCHEZ, FOLLOWED BY AGNES, UH, GONZALEZ.
UM, I'M JUST AGAINST ALL OF THESE BUILDINGS GOING AROUND.
UM, I'M AGAINST ALL THESE BUILDINGS JUST GOING UP.
UM, I THOUGHT I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE SEVEN YEARS.
UM, MY, MY PHONE'S A LITTLE BROKEN.
THAT'S MY DAUGHTER'S ROOM RIGHT THERE.
LITERALLY THERE'S NINE WINDOWS.
I HAD TOLD THE BUILDER, HEY MAN, UM, COULD YOU, UM, AND HE WAS, AT FIRST HE WAS REAL PASSIVE, REAL NICE.
BUT UM, WHEN IT CAME TO ME PUTTING UP MY FENCE AND DOING EVERYTHING, THERE'S NO SPACE FOR HIM NO MORE.
SO OBVIOUSLY HE SUED ME AND I JUST DON'T WANT LIKE NOBODY ELSE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME STUFF THAT I'M GOING THROUGH.
AND, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IT'S A RICH MAN'S WORLD.
IF THE POOR MAN DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE COURT FEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY'LL RUN OVER BY PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING WITH MONEY.
AND UM, I'M JUST HAVING SO MUCH PROBLEMS. I GOT PICTURES OF TRASH OF I, THEIR BUILDING IS THREE STORIES HIGH WITH A OB OBSERVATION DECK.
MY FENCE IS LIKE FROM RIGHT HERE TO WHERE I'M AT, I COULD PROBABLY, UH, THE, THE BUILDING'S RIGHT THERE, NOT EVEN LIKE, AND, AND MY PROPERTY LINE IS LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS TO YOU.
I NEVER GOT, I WOULD'VE BEEN HERE TO ONE OF THESE ZONING THINGS IF I WOULD'VE GOT A ZONING LETTER FOR THAT BUILDING.
I NEVER GOT A ZONING LETTER FOR THAT.
ME, MY NEIGHBOR, MY OTHER NEIGHBOR.
AND I ASKED, I ASKED, I ASKED, THEY DID ONE FOR A CARPORT ACROSS THE STREET.
LITTLE SMALL LITTLE STRUCTURE THAT THEY BUILT.
BUT FOR THIS BIG OLD MONSTER IN THE BACK OF MY YARD JUST LOOKING AT ME, AND I DON'T EVEN MIND IT THERE.
LIKE I LIKE, IT'S GONNA, LIKE, IT'S GONNA BE THERE, BUT IT'S JUST INCONVENIENT FOR, FOR PEOPLE, NOT JUST FOR ME.
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE HOW THEY WERE SAYING ABOUT THE PARKING, ALL THEIR CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, THE ALLEYWAY'S ACTUALLY BLOCKED OFF BY A DUMPSTER.
MY KIDS USED TO WALK BACK THERE JUST TO GO AROUND.
UH, IT GO AROUND THE BLOCK, THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE LOT.
NOW IT'S BLOCKED OFF BY A DUMPSTER.
THAT CITY, IT'S IT'S CITY, IT'S A CITY STREET.
IT HAS A NAME TO IT AND EVERYTHING.
IT'S NOT LIKE A, LIKE A, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, IT'S FOR THE PUBLIC.
THERE'S NOT LIKE PERSONALLY OWNED.
BUT UM, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF INCONVENIENCE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR, FOR THEM.
LIKE, I'VE, LIKE, AND I'M NOT A BAD PERSON.
I'VE GAVE THEIR WORKERS WATERS AND ELECTRICITY WHEN THEY GOT TO WORK,
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STUFF LIKE THAT.BUT ONCE IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE AND IT ALL STARTS HAPPENING WHEN 30 SECONDS WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TO FINISH, THE NAILS COME OUT AND THEY WANT, THEY WANNA SELL THEIR BUILDINGS, THEY WANNA SELL THEM AND THEY WANNA PUSH WHO ALL THE, THE PEONS.
Y'ALL MOVE OUT THE WAY, LET THE GUYS WITH THE MONEY GET IN.
AND THAT'S THE WAY IT'S A, IT'S A DOGGY DOG WORLD.
I, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THAT'S JUST ME SPEAKING MY MIND.
THANK Y'ALL FOR HEARING ME OUT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY I NEVER GOT A ZONING LETTER FOR THIS FOUR FOR FOURPLEX WITH.
I JUST, IF Y'ALL COULD FIND THAT OUT.
MY ADDRESS IS 1127 WYOMING STREET.
I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS, MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING IN FRONT OF A LOT OF PEOPLE.
UM, I'M HERE TO, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS WHAT I DEAL WITH.
THIS IS HIS STUFF COMING OFF OF HIS BUILDING TO MY HOUSE.
UM, IT RAINED AND THERE WAS, I GUESS HE HAD COVERED UP SOME STUFF SO HIS PROPERTY WOULDN'T GET WET.
BUT I GUESS THE, HIS WORKERS MAYBE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB 'CAUSE IT ENDED UP ON MY PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
IT TURNED ON MY INTERNET CABLE LINE.
AND UM, IF YOU SEE THERE, THERE WAS NO WINDOWS IN THE BEGINNING FACING, THERE WAS LIKE MAYBE TWO WINDOWS.
'CAUSE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, HE WASN'T GONNA PUT WINDOWS FACING OUR OUR WAY.
SO THIS WAS, I THINK BACK IN MAYBE SEPTEMBER.
AND UM, SO FROM THERE ON THINGS STARTED GETTING UGLY IN REGARDS TO PROPERTY LINES.
AND I'M GONNA BE HONEST, WE WERE MAYBE A LITTLE NAIVE AND KNOWING HOW TO READ A SURVEY.
I MEAN WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN 2013, SO WE JUST, HEY, IT'S OUR HOUSE OR IT'S WHAT OUR PROPERTY SAYS.
WELL COME TO FIND OUT SOMEONE SAYING THAT IT WAS WRONG.
AND IT'S LIKE YOUR PROPERTY LINE'S NOT THERE.
I'M JUST GOING BASED OFF DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO ME FROM MY LENDING COMPANY, FROM THE TITLE COMPANY.
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T FORAGE ANY OF THIS.
SO LIKE I SAID, IF WE WOULD'VE KNOWN ABOUT SOME MEETINGS, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD'VE BEEN HERE TOO TO DO THIS.
BUT THAT'S SOME STUFF THAT WAS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON OUR END.
AND HE BLOCKED OFF THE STREETS.
I USED TO WALK MY DOG FROM MY HOUSE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHY NOBODY'S GONE OUT THERE TO DO ANY OF THAT.
LIKE, TO LOOK AT THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
NOW THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF WINDOWS.
HE EVEN HAS LIKE THESE PIPES THAT GUESS WHERE THE WATER'S SUPPOSED TO RUN FROM THE TOP.
LIKE, SO IF THE WATER RUNS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA FALL ON MY BUILDING.
IT LOOKS LIKE I COULD LITERALLY, I CAN'T EVEN STEP IN MY BACKYARD.
'CAUSE IF HE SEES US BACK THERE, HE SAYS I'M TRESPASSING.
UM, HE'S CAUGHT THE COPS ON ME.
I'M GONNA BE HONEST, WE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TRY TO JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO BECAUSE LIKE MY, LIKE WE SAID, WE DON'T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE WENT THROUGH.
AND IT'S A LOT LIKE I HAVE TO TAKE DAYS OUTTA WORK.
I HAD TO MISS, YOU KNOW, WORK AND I'M, I MEAN IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IF YOU DON'T KNOW AND YOU'RE NAIVE, IT FEELS UGLY.
LIKE I THOUGHT, DID I DO SOMETHING WRONG? BUT I DIDN'T.
I HAVE MY PROPERTY LYING THERE AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
AND IT COULD, I THINK IT COULD HAVE WENT A LOT SMOOTHER AND PEOPLE COMMUNICATED, BUT THERE WAS NO REALLY COMMUNICATION.
IT WAS JUST LIKE, YOU HAVE TO MOVE.
'CAUSE MIKE SAYS THIS AND THAT'S HOW THINGS STARTED TO GET UGLY.
HE TO THE POINT, THEY WORK ON SUNDAYS, 30 SECONDS.
THEY'RE WORKING MONDAY, TUESDAY, ON A SUNDAY, MY DAY OFF HAMMERING AT EIGHT IN THE MORNING, SEVEN IN THE MORNING.
WHERE'S THE RESPECT FOR US? YOU KNOW, LIKE AS, AS HOMEOWNERS, EVERYBODY WORKS.
HE HAS TO MAKE HIS MONEY AND HE HAS TO WORK.
BUT ON A SUNDAY EVERY PRETTY MUCH LIKE NO RESPECT.
YOU JUST HEAR THE MACHINES, THE TATA, YOU COME OFF THE STREET, WE HAVE TO STOP AT OUR STOP WAY, GO UP AHEAD JUST TO SEE, 'CAUSE ALL HIS TRUCKS AND THEY HAVE TRAILERS AND WORKERS.
SO IT'S A UGLY INTERSECTION BECAUSE OF ALL OF THAT.
AND THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT, LIKE TIME TO RESPOND.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, YES, THE WIND IS BLOWING, THE RAIN IS GOING ON.
YES, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT PLEASANT TO HAVE A, A CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE YOU.
YES, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UNDER THE HANDS OF GOD AND WE CANNOT CONTROL RAIN AND WIND.
WHAT WE'RE COMPLYING IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CODE IS ALLOWING US TO DO.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE DOING NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WAS, YOU KNOW, APPROVED BY THE CITY, APPROVED BY, YOU KNOW, WITH WE'RE BUILDING PERMITS.
SO IT, THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE ALWAYS DO AND WHAT WE ARE GONNA KEEP ON DOING, FOLLOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS US TO DO.
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ABSENCE OF, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, TOSEN, UM, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, PLEASE, UM, BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, CAN WE DO QUESTIONS FIRST? YES, PLEASE.SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO IF, TELL ME AGAIN WHAT HE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD TODAY.
SO RMM FOUR MEANS HE CAN HAVE UP TO FOUR UNITS AND THIS LOT IS SO LARGE THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO SUBDIVIDE INTO TWO RMM FOUR LOTS WITH FOUR UNITS ON EACH, SO FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT.
BUT IF HE STAYS WITH RM FOUR, HE STILL HAS TO KEEP SETBACKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
THE I D Z RELAXES THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
HE WOULD STILL HAVE TO RESPECT THE RM FOUR SETBACKS, WHETHER HE SUBDIVIDES INTO TWO LOTS OR KEEPS IT THE WAY IT IS.
UM, I GUESS I, IN THE ABSENCE OF COMMISSIONER TOSIN AND I'VE NOT HEARD FROM HIM ON THIS CASE, I'M GONNA GO WITH MY OWN INSTINCTS ON THIS.
UM, AND I JUST, I HAVE TO GIVE SOME CREDENCE HERE TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS.
SO I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL SECOND, UH OH.
WE CAN, WE CAN, I'LL COMBINE THE QUESTIONS IN THE, UH, COMMENT.
SO
SO COULD THE MOTION BE, UM, UH, DENIED OR RETRACTED BECAUSE I, I WILL WITHDRAW.
I, I DON'T KNOW, WE'VE DONE IT LIKE THIS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE READY, BUT, AND WE COULD STILL DO BOTH.
LET'S JUST COMBINE THE, THE QUESTIONS AND, UH, THE DISCUSSION, UM, AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO UNLESS, YEAH, I THINK SO.
I'M SORRY FOR MESSING THIS UP.
NO, WE CAN PROCEED WITH QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.
SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, FOR STAFF.
SO FOR THE RMM FOUR, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY.
WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THAT? 4,000 SQUARE FEET? 4,000.
UM, AND THEN COULD I GET THE APPLICANT, UM, JUST ONE QUESTION ON, ON YOUR SITE PLAN, UM, CAN I JUST GET A CLARIFICATION? COULD YOU GUYS BRING THAT UP? SO YOU'RE SHOWING HERE THAT EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS IS GOING TO BE 1,710 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT'S ONE ON, THAT'S ON TOP OF, JUST TO GET A CLARIFICATION HERE, THAT'S TWO STORIES, RIGHT? AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S 35 FOOT THREE STORIES, THEN THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CODE ALLOWS ME TO DO.
SO THREE STORIES, BUT IT'S 1,710 SQUARE FEET EACH, BUT THAT, THAT'S YOUR, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOUR FOOTPRINT IS, THAT'S NOT YOUR, YOUR BUILDING FOOTPRINT ON THE GROUND.
YOU KNOW, THE 1710 IS THE TOTAL FOR THE THREE STORIES.
IT'S GONNA BE THREE, THREE BEDS, TWO AND A HALF BEDROOMS, A LIVING SPACE, AND TWO GAR, UH, TWO CAR GARAGE.
UM, SO IN COMPARING THIS IS FOR STAFF, UH, THE SETBACKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY REPRESENTED ON THIS SITE PLAN VERSUS RMM FOUR, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES? SO FOR I D Z TWO, THE SETBACKS ARE GONNA BE FIVE FEET IN THE REAR AND FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE.
ARM FOUR IS FIVE FEET ON THE SIDE AND 10 FEET FOR THE REAR.
SO IT'S A RELAXATION OF ONLY FIVE FEET.
HEIGHT FOR I D Z IS RESTRICTED TO 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF STORIES.
UM, BUT, UH, FOR RM FOUR IT'S 35 FEET, THREE STORIES.
TODAY HE GETS TALLER AND MORE DENSITY.
EVERYBODY'S ASKING YOU TO REPEAT THE LAST THING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE YES.
SO, UH, I D Z TWO IS RESTRICTED TO 35 FEET, TWO AND A HALF STORIES 'CAUSE IT'S WITHIN 50 FEET OF A SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, USES RMM FOUR IS 35 FEET, THREE STORIES.
SO IT APPEARS TO R M FOUR ALWAYS APPEARS TALLER BECAUSE OF THAT THIRD STORY, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT.
CORRECT? STRICTLY SPEAKING, YES.
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OTHER QUESTION.UH, FOR STAFF, WHEN WE LOOK, FOR EXAMPLE, THESE PROPERTIES WOULD FACE, UH, SOUTH SHOEBOX OR HOWEVER, ONE PRONOUNCES THAT, UM, HOW WIDE IS THAT STREET? SO IT'S A, IT'S AN UNIMPROVED ALLEY TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MEASUREMENT, BUT HE HAS, UM, ENOUGH PROP WHAT HE, WHAT HE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO IS HE HAS TO HAVE AN IMPROVED ACCESS IF HE WERE TO SUBDIVIDE, HE IS THE FIRST LOT AND HE HAS ENOUGH SQUARE FOOTAGE TO PROVIDE THAT DEDICATION IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, THE WIDENING OF THAT ALLEY AND THE IMPROVEMENT TO HIS DRIVEWAY.
I THINK THAT IS AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION,
UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT WITH QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER, UM, SIPES AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROMERO.
THIS IS A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HALF STORY AND A FULL STORY? THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING THAT HE WAS PROPOSING THREE STORIES, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT I D Z WOULD LIMIT THAT TO TWO AND A HALF, RIGHT? SO TWO AND A HALF.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF THEY WANTED TO DO, UH, THREE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS FOR THAT.
AND THE HALF IS BASICALLY LIKE YOUR DORMER WINDOW EFFECT, WHERE YOU HAVE A GABLE ROOF WITH A, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A SMALL WINDOW IN THE FRONT.
AND SO YOUR FRONT LOOKS LIKE A VERY SMALL THIRD STORY, BUT THAT'S YOUR TWO AND A HALF COMMISSIONER ROMERO.
SO CONSTRUCTION HAS ALREADY STARTED.
CAN, CAN SOMEBODY CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? I DON'T BELIEVE CONSTRUCTION HAS STARTED AT THIS PROPERTY.
WHEN WE WENT OUT TO PUT THE SIGN OUT JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, IT WAS TOTALLY VACANT.
AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN CLARIFY WHAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO MAYBE IT'S A, A DIFFERENT LOT.
COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UM, IF YOU LOOK ON THE EAST SIDE OF CHUUK, SOUTH CHUUK THAT THE, THE LOT WITH THE CHECK MARK IS THE RMM FOUR THAT THE SAN MR. SANCHEZ MM-HMM.
AND THAT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK THAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORS REFERENCED.
THIS, THIS IS COMPLETELY VACANT.
UM, SO IS THERE, UM, A DISTRICT TWO COUNCIL AIDE HERE? UM, JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORS PROBABLY NEED A, UM, SOMEBODY TO TALK TO, BUT NO, BUT I CAN, I CAN LET THEM KNOW.
AND, AND MADAM CHAIR, IF I MIGHT, AND, AND MAYBE, UH, STAFF COULD TALK TO, UH, MR. SANCHEZ, AND FORGIVE ME, AGNES, I'VE FORGOTTEN YOUR LAST NAME, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED THERE WAS THAT THAT WAS EXISTING RMM FOUR AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS DEVELOPED THERE, WHICH IS WHY YOU DID NOT RECEIVE, UH, A NOTICE OF ANY ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT CHANGED.
UH, BUT MAYBE TALK TO STAFF AND TALK TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE ABOUT MAYBE SOME LARGE SCALE ZONING CHANGES THAT MIGHT BE COMING DOWN THE PIPE THAT COULD HELP YOU WITH THIS ISSUE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, COMMISSIONER, UH, I'M SORRY.
THINKING I HAD QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK YEAH.
ONCE AGAIN, UM, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL FOR ITEM FIVE SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, FOR DENIAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
UM, DISCUSSION, UM, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO, UH, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THE NEIGHBORS SAID, AND I WANNA HELP THE NEIGHBORS.
AND I, I AGREE WITH THE THINGS BEING OUT OF PLACE, BUT I, I'M JUST FRUSTRATED 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BETTER THAN WHAT THE CHANGE IS.
WHAT'S THERE MIGHT ALLOW FEWER UNITS AND SHORTER UNITS, BUT THAT'S JUST IN THE ABSTRACT AND I'M, I'M JUST SORRY THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S ZONED THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
DO, DO YOU HAVE A CORRECTION ON THAT? BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT'S THERE TODAY ALLOWS MORE UNITS AND TALLER, THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID.
WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD THE REVERSE L YEAH.
I THINK THAT MAKING THE CHANGE, MAKING THE CHANGE WOULD ALLOW FOR FEWER UNITS AND SHORTER UNITS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER I, YET WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING
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IS REALLY NOT GOOD EITHER.UM, SO I THINK I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE THE PROJECT WILL PROCEED IF WE SUPPORT IT RIGHT NOW.
AND IF, AND A DENIAL MIGHT SLOW THIS DOWN, BUT I'VE JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AS THE ANSWER BECAUSE, UM, THEN ANOTHER PROJECT COULD COME IN WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR ITS ZONING CHANGE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BEFORE US.
UM, NOT LIKE WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON IT, BUT I JUST, I'M JUST FRUSTRATED WITH THE SITUATION WHILE COMPLETELY AGREEING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES, I, I'LL AGREE.
THIS IS, THIS IS A ALMOST A, A CASE WHERE IT'S, IT'S A, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPLITTING HAIRS, IT SEEMS, UM, WHAT WHAT SWAYS ME IS THE, UM, THE SETBACKS.
UM, HAVING THE, UH, RM FOUR SETBACK IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YES, IT'S ONLY FIVE FEET, BUT, BUT THAT'S LIKE DOUBLE.
UM, AND YES, THE HEIGHT BY GOING TO IDZ TWO WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF STORIES, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY SAID THEY WANT, THEY'RE GONNA DO THREE STORIES, WHICH THEY WILL PROBABLY GO THROUGH AND GET A VARIANCE FOR.
UM, SO THE HEIGHT REALLY IS, IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
UM, AND PERHAPS WITH SUBDIVIDING IT SO THAT THERE WOULD BE, YES, A POSSIBILITY OF EIGHT UNITS, BUT THEN THAT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT HARD TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH, I THINK WITH, WITH THE INCREASED SETBACKS.
AND, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THE REASON I SUPPORT THE MOTION WAS I THINK IT MIGHT, AS, AS COMMISSIONER ROMERO SAID, IT, IT SLOWS IT DOWN.
PERHAPS THERE'S A, A SLIGHTLY BETTER OPTION.
UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT DISCUSSION.
UH, JUST TO CONCUR WITH THAT THOUGHT, I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE OF 35 FEET WITH ZERO LOT LINE PRACTICALLY.
SO THAT'S HOVERING OVER THE HOUSE, AND I THINK THAT INTENSITY RIGHT THERE IS TOO MUCH FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT IS.
UM, SO I CONCUR WITH THOSE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, IF YOU KEEP IT AT THE ZONING THAT IT IS, THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY 10 FEET FIVE ON EACH SIDE, AND THAT SEEMS TO BE, UH, NEIGHBORLY AND EVERYONE'S LIVED HAPPY THAT WAY.
AND I THINK, UH, WILL NOT, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION TO DENY ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S DISCUSSION.
UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, JUST BRIEFLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERYONE'S SAID SO FAR.
I THINK THE WAY TO RESOLVE THIS, UH, FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LIVING IN THIS AREA, UH, CERTAINLY THE WAY TO RESOLVE, I THINK COMMISSIONER ROMERO'S CONCERN, IF I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY, IS TO GO TALK TO YOUR COUNCIL PERSON, LOOK AT THE ZONING FOR THIS ENTIRE AREA AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO THERE.
I THINK THAT COULD RESOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES FOR YOU.
UM, SO I CONCUR WITH THE SETBACK, THE PROTECTIONS OF THE SETBACK.
I STILL HAVE THE CONCERNS FOR THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH THE HEIGHT AND WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, AS, UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT'S MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAT CAN HELP, UH, PROTECT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND ALSO PLEASE, PLEASE REACH OUT TO YOUR, UH, DISTRICT TO, UH, COUNCILOR, BUT FOR THAT, AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU NEED HELP WITH.
UM, IF THERE'S, YOU HAVE SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL.
UM, IT IS A DIFFICULT CASE AND, AND IT'S NOT THAT I AM OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DO WANT TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITIES AS MUCH AS I CAN.
AND THIS ONE IS PERPLEXING BECAUSE EITHER WAY WE GO, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA GET A THREE STORY STRUCTURE TOWERING OVER RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UM, AND I'M, I WRESTLE WITH THAT.
THE ONLY REASON WHY, AGAIN, AND YOU'VE ECHOED IT, IS BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS.
THAT'S THE ONLY PROTECTION, I GUESS, THAT I CAN GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, AGAIN, REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL PERSON AND LET THEM KNOW HOW YOU FEEL.
MAYBE TALK TO DENVER HEIGHTS ABOUT WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO SEE OUT THERE, SO THAT SOMETHING MORE COHESIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FOR THE DEVELOPERS CAN KIND OF COME FORWARD TO US, UM, FOR OTHER CASES IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE READY.
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BUSANTE.[8. (Continued from 01/21/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700327 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 HS MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Historical Significant Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 45, NCB 9483, located at 2914 Pleasanton Road. Staff recommends Denial. (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, Mercedes.Rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)]
GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.MICHAEL PEPPY PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM EIGHT IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C TWO HSS TO C TWO AT 2 9 1 4 PLEASANTON ROAD.
NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
SIX WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
ACTUALLY, THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT IN THIS ONE, AS YOU KNOW, UM, CHAIRWOMAN, THE, WE MET WITH THEM AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE.
THIS ITEM WAS PULLED, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THERE'S AN INDIVIDUAL SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
UH, MAY WE HAVE THE PERSON PLEASE? VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE.
VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, UH, I'M SPEAKING FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS OPPOSED TO THE D DESIGNATION OF 29 14 PLEASANTON.
THIS PROPERTY WAS PROPERLY DESIGNATED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO MANY YEARS AGO AND HAS NOT CHANGED MATERIALLY SINCE THAT TIME.
THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN NOTED AS HISTORIC ON ZONING MAPS AND THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
SO THE POTENTIAL PURCHASERS PERFORMING DUE DILIGENCE WOULD BE AWARE OF ITS STATUS.
MOREOVER, THE SOCIETY AGREES WITH THE STAFF FINDING THAT THE PROPERTY INDEED CONTINUES TO MEET AT LEAST FOUR OF THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION.
IT IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF A MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL HOME FROM THE HEYDAY OF THAT STYLE AND MAINTAINS THE HISTORIC FEATURES OF THAT STYLE IN ITS MASSING MATERIALS, DETAILING AND OVERALL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.
THE LARGELY COMMERCIAL SETTING DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE GRACEFUL RESIDENTIAL DESIGN SET BACK ALONG THE ROAD.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
SO, UM, ON, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE IN FACT, UM, THANK YOU TO ALL, UH, CITY STAFF, UH, THANK YOU TO, TO, UH, COUNCIL AID, UH, VIA AND TO, UM, THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, AND PEOPLE FROM HISTORIC AS WELL, UM, FOR WORKING DILIGENTLY ON THIS CASE.
UM, IN ORDER TO TRY TO WORK OUT THE COMPROMISE, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE TILL MARCH THE 17TH.
AND WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE FOR, UM, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT TO MARCH 17TH.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF A CONTINUANCE WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO MARCH 17TH.
[9. ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700331 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "C-1 CD MLOD-3 MLR-1" Light Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District with a Conditional Use for a Limousine Service - Dispatch and Office Use Only No Servicing of Vehicles Onsite to "C-2 MLOD-3 MLR-1" Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District on Lot 15 and Lot 16, NCB 10761, located at 2035 South WW White Road, 2037 South WW White Road, and 2041 South WW White Road. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600098) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)]
COMMISSIONERS.MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
THIS IS ITEM NUMBER NINE, LOCATED IN THE 2000 BLOCK OF SOUTH WW WHITE IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C ONE CD TO C 2 22.
NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
NONE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION.
NO RESPONSE FROM THE COMANCHE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR THE JUPE MANOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THERE WERE THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM OUTSIDE 200 FEET.
STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING EXCHANGE REQUESTS.
THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, NOR THE DEVELOP ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S TWEET, UH, SUITE 2,700.
UM, THIS CASE IS BEING SUBMITTED BY JODY AND STEVE NEWMAN OF THE FRIENDLY SPOT.
UH, I WAS BROUGHT ON AFTER THEY'D FILED THE APPLICATION.
UM, SO WHAT I, THIS IS THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
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CURRENTLY ZONE C ONE CD.THE CD IS FOR, UH, LIMOUSINE SERVICE PARKING, I BELIEVE.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY DID MEET WITH COMANCHE, THEY DID MEET WITH JUPE MANOR.
THEY MET WITH DAN MARTINEZ WITH THE, UH, EASTERN TRIANGLE ASSOCIATION.
UH, THEY ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED FOR C TWO.
SO WHEN I WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD, I'D TRIED TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME WAY WE COULD DO KEEPING TO C ONE BECAUSE THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL BY GOING FOR C TWO.
WE HAVE TO ASK FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.
UH, THE, SO I EXPLORED MAYBE DOING A C ONE, UH, CD FOR BAR USE OR JUST PLAIN C ONE.
'CAUSE THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS NOT, OH, SORRY.
THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS NOT OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF C ONE, UH, IN THE U D C, IT EXPLICITLY STATES YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY OUTSIDE SPEAKERS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE LIVE MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A FRIENDLY SPOT.
THEY'VE EVEN BEEN PLAYING THE, UH, PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.
JUST DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT PEOPLE FIND INTERESTING.
THEY WILL PUT THOSE ON A BLOWUP SCREEN TV, NOTHING LOUD.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN KING WILLIAM.
THEY DO, LIKE I SAID, THEY DO NOT HAVE LIVE MUSIC.
THEY'RE IN A, THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AT LEAST ON THE BACKSIDE NOW.
IT'S MOSTLY, PRETTY MUCH JUST THE SOUND OF PEOPLE HAVING CONVERSATIONS.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
THEY ORIGINALLY PURCHASED A LOT AT THE TOP.
UM, AND THEN WHILE THAT, WHILE THEY WERE RESEARCHING HOW THEY COULD DEVELOP THIS, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH CAME AVAILABLE, THEY DECIDED, WELL, THEY DON'T NEED ALL OF THAT SPACE FOR THEIR BAR ICE HOUSE TYPE OF CONCEPTS.
THEY PROPOSED PUTTING A LITTLE, UH, COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE AT THE BOTTOM AND OF COURSE INCORPORATING THE PARKING IN THE BACK FOR BOTH, FOR BOTH PROPERTIES SO THEY CAN KIND OF SHARE PARKING.
WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO AT THEIR BUILDING LOCATION WAS PUT IT AS FAR TO THE NORTHEAST AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP IT AWAY.
THERE ARE NEIGHBORS IN THE, IN, AT THE REAR, UH, THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THEY WERE TRYING TO KIND OF KEEP THEIR BAR RESTAURANT AS FAR AWAY FROM THAT AS POSSIBLE.
AND OF COURSE, HAVE THE BEER GARDEN PLAYGROUND UP FRONT.
THERE IS A LARGE PECAN TREE THEY WANNA SAVE AND OF COURSE USES SHADE LIKE THEY DO NOW AT THE CURRENT LOCATION.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
AND THAT'S JUST A LETTER FROM DAN FROM THE EASTERN TRIANGLE GROUP.
WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS, UH, JUST OPEN UP ANOTHER FRIENDLY SPOT.
THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON A NAME THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED.
UH, THEY WANT TO SOMEHOW USE THE FRIENDLY SPOT NAME THERE WHERE THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE THE EXACT SAME NAME.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
UM, COULD THEY DO THE RESTAURANT ICE HOUSE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING? THEY HAVE, YES.
THEY JUST COULD NOT HAVE THE OUTSIDE, UH, TV FOR SPURS GAMES.
AND THEY REALLY WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK RUBY PITTMAN PIT? RUBY PITTMAN 44 35 BOXWOOD.
I'M ACTUALLY RIGHT NEAR THOSE TWO BOTTOM CIRCLES.
UM, MY RESIDENCE IS RIGHT THERE AND I SPOKE WITH THE NEIGHBOR WHO HAS THE FENCE LINE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW, TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, THAT LAST CASE REALLY GAVE ME, UH, SOME THOUGHT.
AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT A THREE STORY BUILDING WHO'S GOING TO HAVE BALCONIES OVERLOOKING MY PROPERTY.
UM, I AM NOT FOR OR AGAINST THIS.
I AM A LITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT THE NOISE.
I GUESS THERE WOULD BE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT IS IN PLACE.
UM, I ALSO SPOKE WITH THE ATTORNEY BEHIND ME AND HE DID EASE MY MIND QUITE A BIT.
HE SAID THEY WOULD BE BUILDING A SIX FOOT FENCE AND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS ON THE BUILDING AND THAT THERE WOULD BE LIGHTING IN THE PARKING.
SO THOSE CONCERNS ARE KIND OF MOOT NOW.
UM, SO AGAIN, I'M NEITHER FOR OR AGAINST, BUT I THOUGHT I, SINCE I WAS HERE, I SHOULD AT LEAST SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT LAST CASE.
AND IF THIS, IF YOU DO, I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY COULD DO IT WITHOUT REZONING IT, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE ZONING WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF Y'ALL COULD TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CD ONE AND A CD TWO.
I THOUGHT IT WAS HARD LIQUOR THAT THEY WOULD BE A BIG BAR BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO BE OPENING A BAR MAYBE EIGHT LOTS DOWN FROM THEM.
SO IT'S GOING TO START BEING KIND OF ROWDY.
I THOUGHT WITH TWO BARS IN THE AREA, THEY'RE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM BIG LOU'S PIZZA, WHICH MEANS THAT WHEN BIG LOU'S CLOSES, IF THE BARS STILL OPEN, THEY'RE GOING TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE.
AND IF THEY DECIDE THEY'RE GONNA DO TROUBLE THERE I AM
SO I WAS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, BUT AGAIN, I'M NEITHER FOR NOR AGAINST AT THIS POINT.
AND IF, UM, BOTH, UH, STAFF AND MR. CHRISTENSEN, UH, WOULD MAKE SURE THAT, UM, UM, THEY GET WITH MS. PITTMAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE, SHE HAS SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
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YES.I GAVE HER MY BUSINESS CARD FOR HER TO CONTACT ME.
I'LL GET JODY AND STEVE AND WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND VISIT WITH HER.
UM, WE ARE ASKING, WE'LL, WE WILL BE ASKING, IT WILL NOT JUST BE A BAR, IT WILL BE A RESTAURANT WITH A BEER AND WINE PERMIT, WITH THE ALCOHOL SALES.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RATIOS OF FOOD SALES TO ALCOHOL SALES, JUST LIKE THEY DO AT THE, THE FRIENDLY SPOT.
UM, THAT'S IT AS FAR AS, UM, PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
WELL, UM, I'VE SAT THROUGH A COUPLE OF, UH, PRESENTATIONS, UM, UH, FOR THIS, UH, BOTH AT, UM, THE JUPI MANOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE AT THE EASTERN TRIANGLE, UH, COMMUNITY, UM, MEETING.
AND, UM, I REALLY DIDN'T, UH, THEY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS AND IT DIDN'T REALLY SEEM LIKE, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WERE, UM, UH, BOTHERED BY THIS.
SO, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, UM, GONNA BE A FAMILY ORIENTED, UM, TYPE OF BUSINESS.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'LL TAKE, UM, UH, FROM THE PRESENTATION, UM, DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BE COMMUNITY FRIENDLY AND DO BUFFERING AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
SO, UM, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
PATRICK, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
CAN, CAN YOU JUST GO OVER THIS AGAIN? UM, THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, THE, THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T DO NOW, BUT YOU COULD DO WITH THE CHANGE.
SO THE C TWO COMMERCIAL WILL ALLOW US TO DO A LARGER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
UM, THE C TWO WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE OUTSIDE SPEAKERS TO PLAY THE GAMES.
BUT ARE YOU ASKING FOR OTHER C TWO USES WE COULD DO HERE OR NO, I, THAT'S, I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE, THE SPEAKERS AND THE SCREEN.
'CAUSE IT WAS KIND OF LIKE YOU WERE SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, BUT THEN YOU WERE ALSO SAYING, BUT IT'S REALLY QUIET.
I'LL, THEY'RE REALLY QUIET OUTDOOR SPEAKERS.
UM, SO WE CAN DO A, THE, THE, THE RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL SALES WITH THE EXISTING C ONE'S, PROVIDED THE BUILDING IS LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, WE CANNOT HAVE ANY OUTSIDE MUSIC OR SPEAKERS.
UH, THE CURRENT FRIENDLY SPOT THEY LIKE TO PLAY SPURS GAMES, PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES, THINGS THAT ARE OF INTEREST.
AND THEY'RE JUST WITH TV SPEAKERS.
THEY DON'T HAVE LIVE BANDS, THEY DON'T HAVE LIVE MUSIC.
THEY DON'T PLAY MUSIC DURING THE NORMAL HOURS.
IT'S REALLY JUST WHEN THEY SHOW A GAME OR, UH, OTHER EVENTS.
AND SO IT REALLY JUST BE THOSE KIND OF SPEAKERS AND WE'LL CERTAINLY FOLLOW THE NOISE ORDINANCE, UM, AND NOT BE LOUD.
BUT I'M SAYING THIS 'CAUSE I HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THE OLD FRIENDLY SPOT.
UM, SO THESE HAVE TO BE SPEAKERS THAT ARE LOUD ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING OUTSIDE NO MATTER WHERE THEY'RE SITTING TO HEAR THEM.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A HUGE AREA.
AND THEN JUST GO OVER THE PERCENTAGE AGAIN OF ALCOHOL THAT I BELIEVE IT'S, THEY CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR SIT REVENUE BE 25% FOOD SALES IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN, UH, THEIR USE AS A RESTAURANT.
AND, AND THEN THAT GOES AWAY WITH C TWO OR IT STAYS WITH C TWO.
IT'S A PERCENTAGE ACROSS THE BOARD REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION BASICALLY, I'M OLD.
I BELIEVE THEY CLOSED 10 30, 11 O'CLOCK.
AND I, I'VE NOT SEEN A, A SITE PLAN.
SO TELL ME WHAT WE'LL BACK UP AGAINST, UM, THE LADIES PROBABLY.
SO AT LEAST SHE LIVES DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE.
SO WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO WITH THEIR SITE PLAN WAS HAVE PUT THE PARKING TO THE REAR AND HAVE THE, THE RESTAURANT AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THE BEER, SO THE BEER GARDEN PLAYGROUND, JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW, THEY'LL HAVE LITTLE SWING SETS OUT THERE.
THIS WILL BE WHERE THE OUTSIDE PATIO SEATING WILL BE.
AND THEN THIS WILL BE, OF COURSE THE INDOOR OUTDOOR LOCATION WITH HOW THEY DO, THEY'LL HAVE THE BAR, THE COUNTERS OUT HERE SO YOU CAN ORDER YOUR, YOUR BEER AND FOOD AND THINGS.
AND THEN THEY'LL PROBABLY HAVE AN OFFICE UPSTAIRS AND THE RESTAURANT BACK IN THE BACK.
BUT THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP, USE THE PARKING LOT AREA AS A BUFFER FROM THE COMMERCIAL USES.
WELL, THE REASON WHY I ASK IS I SEE THE TRASH COLLECTION POINT IS ALMOST RIGHT BEHIND HER HOUSE.
IS THERE A WAY YOU GUYS CAN MAYBE ACCOMMODATE THAT LOUD NOISE? I CAN, YEAH, WE CAN SWITCH THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
IF THERE'S, UH, NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, MOVE FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER NINE SECOND.
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HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND.UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER ROMERO? UM, I, I WON'T SUPPORT IT.
I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS TERRIBLE AND I REALIZE THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT COMING OUT AND OPPOSING IT.
UM, BUT, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
I THINK THERE WERE SOUND REASONS FOR THAT.
UM, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING AS IS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A FACTUAL EVIDENCE, BUT I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE WITH LIVING AT LEAST PART-TIME, UH, ABOUT THREE LOTS BEHIND THE ORIGINAL FRIENDLY SPOT.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY SHAKE THINGS.
PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE DRINKING AND KIDS ARE PLAYING.
THEY HAVE TO BE PRETTY LOUD FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE STICKING POINT FOR ME IS, IS THOSE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS RIGHT ON TOP OF THE LARGE LOT ZONING.
UH, IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME.
IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT ENOUGH TO GO AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND WHILE I ALWAYS APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROME'S COMMENTS, I THINK IN THIS CASE, GIVEN SORT OF SOME OF THE ACCOMMODATION, UH, PROVIDED IN THE SITE PLAN, IN THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING LAYOUT EXISTS, I, I THINK THAT IT, UH, IT DOES ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS AND REPRESENTATION OF THAT IS THAT NO ONE HAS SORT OF COME POURING OUT IN STRONG OPPOSITION.
AND SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING, UM, THE MOTION, UH, DESPITE THE GOOD POINTS RAISED BY COMMISSIONER ROME MIDDLE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UM, WITH NO OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.
SO, UM, IF IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UM, TO UH, RECONSIDER, THAT MEANS IT'LL BE COMING BACK.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN HEARD.
WELL THE FLOOR IS SILENT SO I GUESS IT'S, UH, COMING BACK.
[10. ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700315 CD (Council District 6): A request for a change in zoning from “C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD” Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to “C-2 CD MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD” Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for an Office Warehouse (Flex Space) – Outside Storage not Permitted on 4.351 acres out of NCB 18285, generally located at 7531 Potranco Road. Staff recommends Approval.(Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
10 IS A REQUESTED CHANGE OF ZONING FROM C TWO TO C TWO WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE, FLEX SPACE OUTSIDE STORAGE, NOT PERMITTED, LOCATED AT 75 31 PETRAN ROAD.24 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
RETURN IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? OH, THERE'S NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT TODAY.
YOU SAID THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT TODAY? THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT I, UH, LET YOU KNOW ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
RIGHT BEFORE WE STARTED, UM, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO KEEP THEIR ITEM ON THE AGENDA, BUT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.
UH, THE REASON WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT IT ON INDIVIDUAL IS WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
AND THIS IS ALSO COMMISSIONER HUEY'S, RIGHT? UH, YEAH.
WHO, UH, MAY WE HAVE THE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK PLEASE? I BELIEVE IT'S KATHY KLEINER OR CLONER? KLON.
YOUR HANDWRITING'S PROBABLY STILL BETTER THAN MINE? NO, IT'S NOT
I HAVE MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBOR WE'RE BOTH OPPOSING IT.
UM, I, WE DO NOT HAVE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS AND I HAVE, UM, BEEN CONTACTING MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE, UM, OPPOSING OR DIS OPPOSING IT IN FAVOR OR NOT.
SO MOST OF THEM SAID NO, BUT APPARENTLY NONE, NONE OF THEM MAILED THEIR STUFF IN.
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I HAD CONTACTED THE CITY IN REGARDS TO WHAT THEY WERE GONNA BE DOING AND THEN WHOMEVER I SPOKE TO PUT ME IN REFERENCE TO IN CONTACT, SUPPOSEDLY WITH THE OWNER.NOW, IN SPEAKING WITH HIM, HE TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PUT A 600 UNIT STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT AGAINST MY BACK FENCE AND THREE OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE THE WAY HE SAID IT WAS FROM THE CELL TOWER DOWN AND TWO WAREHOUSES, SUPPOSEDLY ELECTRICAL OR PLUMBING.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GONNA BE IN THERE.
SO WITH THE STORAGE UNIT THAT HE WANTS TO PUT IN THERE, MY CONCERN IS THE HOW TALL IT'S GOING TO BE LIGHTING IF, UH, THE, UH, ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
NOW THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY HAS BEEN THERE VACANT SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE ROAD THAT CON, UH, CONNECTS FROM COLLIBRA TO PETRANKO, WHICH IS PRIVATE.
AND I UNDERSTAND QT IS GOING TO BE TAKING OVER THERE ON COLLIBRA AND PART OF FIRST MARK BANK.
UM, AND THEN THAT ROAD, IT'S, UH, POTHOLES LIKE IT'S NEVER BEEN MAINTAINED THE WHOLE TIME, BUT EVERYBODY USES THAT STREET TO AVOID THE LIGHT AT PETRANKO AND COLLIBRA, THEY CUT THROUGH THERE OR THEY CUT DOWN EDWICK OUR STREET.
AND UH, SO IF THEY BUILD THIS THING, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE, I INTENTS OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH, CUTTING THROUGH OUR STREET TO GO OVER TO THAT FACILITY OR WHATEVER.
AND, UM, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE, HE CAN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AS TO THE LAYOUT AND EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE I HAD ASKED HIM AT THAT POINT IN TIME IF HE HAD ANY ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.
SO WE CAN SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WHAT KIND OF FENCE HE'S GONNA BE PUTTING THERE.
WHAT KIND OF, UH, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? BUFFER THAT WILL BE GOING TOWARDS OUR, OUR HOMES.
'CAUSE MOST OF US, WE ALL HAVE WOODEN FENCES AND HE SAYS SOME OF THE TREES WILL BE KNOCKED DOWN AND WITH TREES.
WELL, HOW CLOSE 30 SECONDS, HOW CLOSE ARE THOSE TREES GONNA BE TO THE, TO THE FENCE SO WE CAN CLIMB OVER INTO OUR YARD, THROW, CRASH TRASH OVER.
ANYWAY, THOSE WERE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME.
OH, YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE, MA'AM.
YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANNA SPEAK? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UM, SO IS THERE A DISTRICT SIX COUNCIL PER AIDE HERE.
I WAS JUST HOPING YOU COULD, UH, GET WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS.
SORRY, I'M OVERSTEPPING MY BOUNDS.
I THINK AT THIS POINT I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, BUT IF YOU DON'T MIND YEAH, WHEN IT, OKAY, THANK YOU.
I GUESS AGAIN, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE COMMISSIONER, WITHOUT ANY, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THEM ON THIS CASE, I'M GONNA RECOMMEND A, UH, CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 18TH.
ALRIGHT, THERE IS A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ON MY RIGHT.
TO, OH, THE APPLICANT'S NOT HERE.
UH, I GUESS I CAN'T ASK THAT QUESTION.
MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO FEBRUARY 18TH.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE TWO MORE CASES.
NEED A BREAK BEFORE? LET'S GO, GO, GO.
[12. ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700325 (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6" Residential Single-Family District to “MF-18" Multi-Family District on 7.117 acres out of NCB 14689, generally located in the 8700-8800 block of Oakland Road. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600095) (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
12 IS A REQUEST.ITEM 12 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R SIX TO MF 18.
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THE 8,900 BLOCK OF EBNER AND THE 5,700 BLOCK OF BABCOCK.24 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
ONE RETURNED IN FAVOR, TWO IN OPPOSITION AND THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT.
I'M SORRY, THERE WAS ACTUALLY NO UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THIS AREA.
THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT YOU SO
MAYBE I HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS EMILY WEISLER WITH BROWN AND ORTIZ ONE 12 EAST PECAN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, AS STAFF STATED, WE ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE THIS LITTLE OVER SEVEN ACRE PROPERTY FROM R SIX T M F 18.
UM, THE END GOAL IS TO DEVELOP APPROXIMATELY 70 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
EXCUSE ME, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, THERE IS NO INTENTION TO BUILD APARTMENTS.
UM, THERE IS AN ABILITY TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, KIND OF TWO WAYS REALLY, UM, WITH MULTIFAMILY ZONING.
UM, THIS ONE WILL BE SMALL LOT INDIVIDUAL HOMES, BUT THEY WILL BE TRANSACTIONALLY DONE LIKE A CONDO REGIME.
SO THE PROPERTY ASSOCIATION, CONDO ASSOCIATION WILL OWN THE OPEN SPACE, THE COMMUNITY SPACE.
UM, AND THEN THE HOMEOWNERS WILL OWN THE HOME BUT NOT THE DIRT UNDERNEATH.
SO, UM, THE END USER IS CHESMORE HOMES.
UM, THEY WOULD BE THE BUILDER ON SITE.
UM, AND AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL OFFICE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN OF BUILDING MORE APARTMENTS HERE, UM, WE HAVE UH, KIND OF SET THIS UP TO WHERE CHES MA WOULD, EXCUSE ME, CHESMORE WOULD CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY PRIOR TO CONSIDERATION BY CITY COUNCIL.
UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A SECURED SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUILDER, UM, THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY BEFORE THIS CHANGE WOULD TAKE EFFECT.
UM, WE DID REQUEST A PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE NORTH SECTOR PLAN.
IT IS MIXED USE RIGHT NOW, UM, WHICH DOES PERMIT, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE LAND USE PLAN THAT ALLOWS FOR LOWER INTENSITY USES THAN WHAT IS RECOMMENDED OR PRESCRIBED.
UM, SO THE MF 18 REQUEST IS TECHNICALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT LAND USE PLAN, BUT WE REQUESTED GENERAL URBAN TIER AS THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT AND LESS I INTENSE OF A USE, UM, VARIETY.
SO THERE ARE LESS INTENSE USES PERMITTED IN GENERAL URBAN TIER, UM, THAN THERE ARE A MIXED USE CENTER.
UH, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR THAT ON THE 22ND.
UM, BUT WE UM, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS CASE.
THIS IS TO DO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT IN A KIND OF DIFFERENT TRANSACTIONAL MANNER.
UM, BUT UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN 1972.
THE CURRENT R SIX IS A POINT OF CONVERSION FROM ITS ORIGINAL TEMPORARY R ONE ZONING.
AND IT HAS REMAINED UNDEVELOPED FOR THE BETTER PART OF 40 YEARS.
UM, AND POSSIBLY EVEN BEFORE THEN.
UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO BRING NEW DEVELOPMENT HERE, UM, AND CONTINUE A PATTERN OF SINGLE FAMILY BUT SMALL LOT DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT HAS ALREADY STARTED TOWARDS THE SOUTH OF THIS OVERALL GENERAL AREA.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? EDWARD CASTOR? EDWARD CASTOR 9 4 6 2 TRANQUIL PARK DRIVE.
I'M IN COUNCIL DISTRICT EIGHT.
AND REGRETTABLY I DE DENIED, UH, THE COUNCIL AID TO SEE IF THEY COULD ASSIST ME.
'CAUSE I PROBABLY WOULD'VE HAD THEM COME OUT.
NO, I HAVE TALKED TO MS. EMILY PRIOR TO THIS MEETING AND, UH, I WAS THINKING THAT MF 18 WAS GONNA BE APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT THEN I FIND OUT AFTER SPEAKING WITH HER THAT NO, WE WANNA DO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SMALL FOOTPRINT FOR THESE HOUSE, THIS HOUSE SUBDIVISION.
I LIVE IN AN R FIVE IN, UH, H O A, I'M THE BOARD PRESIDENT, SO I, WE WE'RE AN R FIVE, SO I KNOW HOW SMALL THAT IS.
NOW WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST ABOUT THIS IS WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TRANSACTION, I'VE BEEN OUT TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE CAN OWN THE LOT.
THE DEVELOPER OWNS THE LOT, BUT YOU ONLY OWN THE STICK ABOVE THE GROUND.
THEN ALSO THESE DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING IF YOU WANT TO BE A TRADITIONAL HOMEOWNER, YOU CAN BUY THE LAND AND THE STICK ABOVE THE GROUND.
SO I'M GONNA TELL Y'ALL THIS, THIS IS BAD POLICY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA GET NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE
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WE HAVE TRADITIONAL HOME OWNERSHIP, THEN YOU'RE GONNA MIX THAT IN WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT A TRADITIONAL HOMEOWNER.THEY JUST OWN THE STICK ABOVE THE GROUND.
YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S LIKE DISINVESTING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, THIS KIND OF A POLICY.
I WAS REALLY SHOCKED WHEN I WENT TO SOME OF THESE NEWER NEIGHBORHOODS OUT OUTSIDE OUR COUNTY AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS GOING ON HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I SAW, UH, P B S DOCUMENTARY YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT DISSING IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WAS IN CHICAGO, BECAUSE I REMEMBER IN THE NINETIES WHEN THEY HAD THE HEAT WAVE AND ALL THE DEATHS, YOU KNOW, THEY DISINVESTED IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE DECIDED TO IMPROVE THAT WE'RE GONNA USE MONEY.
YOU DON'T WANNA OWN THE LAND 30 SECONDS.
YOU CAN JUST BUY THE HOUSE ABOVE THAT LAND.
SO YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE PRIDE IN HOME OWNERSHIP? AND YOU'RE GONNA START MIXING TWO TYPES.
OR EVEN WORSE, YOU ONLY OWN THE STICK ABOVE THE GROUND FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'LL HAVE A H O A AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WOW, I'M STARTING TO FIND OUT ABOUT HOAS.
SO ANYWAY, I ALSO WANTED TO, THIS WAS FOR TW 13, SO I, YOU KNOW, IF THAT, THIS APPLIES TO 13 TOO.
THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
UM, JUST TO REITERATE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THIS PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED BY, UM, FACILITATING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE DOING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, THERE IS A MARKET FOR, UM, HOMEOWNERS THAT WANT TO OWN THE HOME BUT NOT THE LAND.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT PERKS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH TYPE OF TRANSACTION.
UM, BUT THAT REALLY IS WHAT IT IS, IS A TRANSACTIONAL DIFFERENCE.
UM, BUT THIS AREA IS COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED.
IT WAS PLOTTED, I BELIEVE SOMETIME IN THE SEVENTIES BETWEEN THE TIME IT WAS XANAX AND THERE WAS A REPL IN 77.
SO IT WAS DONE SOMETIME BETWEEN THEN.
THERE ARE PAPER STREETS, OAKLAND ROAD DEAD ENDS IN FRONT OF 88 40 OAKLAND.
SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO FACILITATE A TON OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, NORTH AND SOUTH RINCON RED WING, UM, THE EXTENSION OF OAKLAND.
UM, THERE IS PLANS IN ADDITION WITH ITEM 13 THAT WE'LL HEAR IN JUST A MINUTE TO EXTEND OAKLAND OUT TO FLOYD CURL.
SO REALLY DOING A LOT OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS JUST LEFT THIS PROPERTY UNUSABLE AT THIS TIME.
UM, IT TAKES A LOT OF INVESTMENT TO BUILD THESE HOMES AND PUT THESE ROADS IN.
UM, AND SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND, UM, MR. CASTOR'S COMMENTS AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS WITH HIM, UM, ALL OF HIS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRANSACTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE.
I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, SO WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO COME OUT FROM EITHER NORTH RCON OR SOUTH RCON TO BABCOCK? YES, MA'AM.
TURN RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY THERE? OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? UM, THERE IS, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE YEAH, WHERE THE MOUSE IS.
THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO THAT'LL DIVIDE NORTH AND SOUTH RINCON.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TRAFFIC PATTERN.
WE HAVEN'T FINISHED OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
UM, THIS IS PART, THIS IS THE CHES MAR PIECE IS THE SE SEVEN ACRES.
AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL, UM, ANOTHER DEVELOPER DOING FURTHER SOUTH.
SO IT'S GOING TO KIND OF BE A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN BOTH GROUPS ON HOW TO FACILITATE THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND WORKING WITH THE CITY ON WHAT THOSE WILL LOOK LIKE.
BUT THERE WILL BE ACCESS, UM, IN AND OUT OF BABCOCK FROM NORTH AND SOUTH RINCON AS WELL AS OAKLAND TO HUEBNER.
BUT RIGHT THERE, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF BABCOCK IS A, IS IF IT'S DIVIDED RIGHT THERE.
IF PEOPLE COULD MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO BABCOCK.
UM, SECOND, UH, JUST THE WHOLE CONDO ISSUE.
I I THINK IS UM, SORT OF A SIDE ISSUE HERE, BUT IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN, UM, HOW YOU EXPLAINED IT TO ME ABOUT THE, THE LINK BETWEEN THE ZONING THAT YOU'RE SEEKING AND BEING ABLE TO DO A CONDO REGIME.
SO IF I THINK I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, UM, THE MF 18, IF WE WERE TO DO TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT BY RELOTTING, WE COULD REPL.
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REQUIRES, AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT 4,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.UM, IF YOU DO PLOTTED INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UM, IN A MULTIFAMILY ZONING, IT REVERTS BACK TO 4,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UM, OUR LOT SIZES ARE, UM, ARE CLOSER TO 3000 AT THIS POINT, UM, WITH PLANNING.
SO, UM, AS I SAID, THIS WHOLE AREA WAS PLOTTED A LONG TIME AGO AND THEN JUST KIND OF LEFT.
UM, SO WHAT WE WOULD DO WOULD BE TO REPL TO REMOVE ALL OF THOSE LOT LINES AND KIND OF ESTABLISH, NOT PLOTTED LOTS, BUT INDIVIDUAL LOTS WHERE YOUR HOME WOULD BE.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR SPACE AND YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR HOME.
UM, AND THEN THE TRANSACTION OF THE LAND WHO OWNS THE LAND ITSELF AND THE COMMON AREAS WILL BE FACILITATED THAT WAY.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? IT DOES.
AND JUST SO I'M SURE ON THIS PEOPLE WILL PURCHASE THESE, IT WILL NOT BE THAT SHEMAR RETAINS OWNERSHIP OF ALL OF THEM OR MOST OF THEM THEY WILL ALL BE FOR SALE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO WHO, AND I KNOW THIS, WE'RE GETTING OFF ON A TANGENT, BUT WHO WILL BE THE LANDOWNER? WILL IT BE THE DEVELOPER OR WILL THAT OWNERSHIP GO TO A CONDOMINIUM OWNER'S ASSOCIATION? I BELIEVE IT WILL TRANSITION.
CHES MAR WILL BE THE OWNER OF THE LAND AND THEN THEY WILL PUT IT INTO A PROPERTY OWNER, CONDO OWNER TYPE FACILITY ORGANIZATION ASSOCIATION THAT IS NOT SMAR PROPER, I BELIEVE.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT.
UM, MS. EMILY, SO, UM, AND SO I GUESS Y'ALL DON'T HAVE ANY RENDERINGS AT THIS TIME? NO.
I CAN SHOW A A POTENTIAL DESIGN IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT THING IS, UM, SO IF, UM, THE CONDO, SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT, THANK YOU.
SO, UM, SO THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE CONDO, UM, ASSOCIATION, UM, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE LAND THEY MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPING AND UH, SUCH.
UM, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF KIND OF A DESIGN RENDERING THAT, UM, THEY JASSAR IS LOOKING TO CONSIDER.
UM, SO VERY TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME FROM THE OUTSIDE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING THE TRANSACTION OF THE SALE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT.
I WANNA THANK MR. CASTOR FOR COMING OUT.
UM, IT CERTAINLY RAISES GOOD QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE AREA.
UH, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE ABOUT PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP IN A CONDO ASSOCIATION.
I'VE BEEN IN A CONDO ASSOCIATION.
UH, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP.
I THINK SOMETIMES YOU PAY MORE FOR THEM FOR THE LUXURY OF NOT HAVING THE YARD AND HAVING TO MAINTAIN IT.
UM, AND THOSE CONDO ASSOCIATIONS, UH, THEY WATCH YOU VERY CLOSELY.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND SO I THINK IT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE MEDICAL CENTER.
SO, UH, FOR CASE NUMBER 12, I AM GOING TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? OKAY.
[13. ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700330 (Council District 8): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6" Residential Single-Family District to "MF-18" Low Density Multi-Family District on 0.30 acres out of NCB 14695, generally located in the 8700-8800 block of Oakland Road. Staff recommends Approval, pending Plan Amendment. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600097) (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).]
PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING.ITEM 13 AS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R SIX TO MF 18 LOCATED SOUTHEAST OF OAKLAND BOULEVARD AND EBNER ROAD.
10 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
TWO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION.
AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
EMILY WEISLER, ONE 12 EAST PECAN WITH BRANDON ORTIZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, YES, THIS IS THE SAME EXACT
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AREA THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.UM, ACTUALLY, MICHAEL, WILL YOU PUT, UM, THIS PROPERTY, UM, IS THREE TENTHS OF AN ACRE.
UM, IT IS THE LAST REMAINING PIECE.
UM, YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS CASE, UM, A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES OVER, I THINK PROBABLY THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UM, THE AREA OUTLINED IN WHITE IS PART OF A LARGE, UM, PROJECT BY MOSAIC, WHICH I REFERENCED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, FOR A SOUTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT CHES MA IS PROPOSING.
UM, MOSAIC HAS BEEN PIECING TOGETHER, UM, THESE PROPERTIES FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
SO IT'S BETWEEN ALONG OAKLAND PAPER STREET, UM, CLOSER TO THE TOP.
UM, BUT THIS PROJECT, UM, IS, AS I SAID, VERY, VERY SIMILAR.
THIS IS JUST THE LAST PIECE, UM, THAT MOSAIC WAS WORKING TO OBTAIN.
UM, WE CAME BEFORE YOU ALL WITH, UM, SEVERAL OTHER ITERATIONS OF THIS.
AS MOSAIC HAD TAKEN OWNERSHIP, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, REZONING THEM AS THEY TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE LAST REMAINING FEES FOR THEM.
UH, SO I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY, ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? EDWARD CASTOR.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY, UM, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
HEY, UM, YEAH, THIS IS THE LAST PIECE TO FILL IN THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO I ALSO MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEM 13.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT.
ALRIGHT, WHAT TIME IS IT? IS IT LIKE THREE O'CLOCK?
UH, ELECTION OF OFFICERS, PLEASE.
SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UM, UH, DIRECTOR HERNANDEZ.
MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS TAKE ABOUT A THREE MINUTE TO FIVE MINUTE BREAK SO WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOUR PCS ARE, ARE READY TO GO WITH IT AND LOADED.
AND THEN WE'LL SET UP HERE TOO.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE'LL START THAT PROCESS AND YOU'LL DISCUSS, UH, LENGTH OF TERMS AND ALL OF THAT.
[16. Election of Officers]
WE ARE READY TO DO THE ELECTION.SO, UM, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA END UP DOING IS, I BELIEVE, IF I CAN REMEMBER HOW IT LOOKED, 'CAUSE I TESTED IT YESTERDAY.
SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S TWO STEPS.
ONE, YOU'LL ENTER IN YOUR NAME, CORRECT.
THIS IS NOT FOR CHRISTIE, THIS IS FOR YOU GUYS.
YOU'LL ENTER, BUT I'LL GO BACK THERE.
BUT YOU'LL ENTER IN YOUR NAME AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL UH, CLICK ON WHICH ONE YOU WANNA VOTE FOR.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO REFRESH AS NOMINATIONS ARE MADE.
SO LET, WE'LL START WITH THAT.
WE'LL START WITH CHAIR, WE'LL ASK FOR NOMINATIONS AND THEN, UH, CHRISTIE WILL ENTER THEM IN AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL REFRESH ON YOUR SCREEN SO THEY POP UP AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THE STEPS FROM THERE.
SO DO I HAVE A, A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR? UH, I NOMINATE COMMISSIONER MCGEE SECOND.
IF NO OTHER NOMINATIONS, THEN WE CAN DELETE THAT ONE AND THEN CLICK CONTINUE.
SO, OH, NOW I BELIEVE YOU REFRESH YOUR SCREEN.
OH, I GOT IT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
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PUT HER NAME BACK IN YOUR NAME AGAIN.I DON'T THINK YOU TYPED IN VOTING.
SO THE VOTING RESULTS ARE, UH, WITH A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO, UH, WITH ALL MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING, UM, IN THE AFFIRMATIVE FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER MCGEE FOR CHAIR.
NOW WE'LL DO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH WILL BE FOR VICE CHAIR.
AND SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR.
UM, NOMINATE MR. BUSTAMONTE SECOND COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE.
ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALRIGHT, SO NO OTHER NOMINATIONS.
AND WE'LL FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS, SO AS SOON AS SHE GETS IT ALL IN.
AND THEN YOU'LL HIT REFRESH AND DO THE SAME THING.
SO HIT REFRESH AND DO THE SAME THING THAT YOU DID BEFORE.
UH, COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE OR VICE CHAIR.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER SIPES AS PRO TEM AND WHILE CHRISTIE SETS THAT ONE UP, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OH, SECOND.
BUT HERE I'LL SECOND JUST SO HE IS NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO DIDN'T GET ONE.
WELL, TECHNICALLY IT WASN'T A MOTION, IT WAS A NOMINATION.
I'M, I'M GOING TO SCHOOL FOR THIS STUFF.
SO YOU KNOW, ALL GO AHEAD AND HIT REFRESH.
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WITH THE VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO WITH ALL MEMBERS PRESENT VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
COMMISSIONER SIPES, YOU'RE, UH, PRO TEMP.
UM, BEFORE WE LEAVE, UM, MINUTE, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
[17. Consideration and Approval of the January 21, 2020 Zoning Commission Minutes]
THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, UM, FOR THE JANUARY 21ST, UH, MINUTES, UM, WITH NO CORRECTIONS? UM, WE WILL, UM, COUNT THOSE, UH, MINUTES AS APPROVED.AND IS THERE AN, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NO.
I REALLY APPRECIATE
I WISH Y'ALL, UH, GREAT BLESSINGS ON YOUR AFTERNOON AND SEE YOU AGAIN, UM, IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.