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          [3:00 PM – Call to Order
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          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          TIME IS DOWN 3:00 PM I'D LIKE TO CALL THE ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2026. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? PRESENT SAVINO. 
          HERE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          GALLOWAY MOOKA. 
          HERE. 
          GRO RESO. 
          HERE. 
          HOLLAND FETZER HERE. 
          AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          S THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I AM JAYMAR GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFF FEOR. 
          IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. 
          AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER IT'S TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS A CASE IS CALLED. 
          CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. 
          EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. 
          SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE ILL TO EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE OF BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I DO HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OUR UPCOMING HOME REPAIR FAIR, WHICH IS NEXT SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH. 
          UM, THIS IS OFFICIALLY, I THINK OUR BIGGEST FAIR EVER WITH OVER 57 EXHIBITORS. 
          UM, SO THAT'LL BE CONTRACTORS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, AND OTHER, UM, EXPERT CITY SERVICES. 
          UM, FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS A HOUSE, HAS AN OLD HOUSE AND IS INTERESTED IN LEARNING HOW TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR OR APPROVE THEIR PROPERTY, UM, IS WELCOME TO ATTEND. 
          THIS IS A FREE EVENT AT WONDERLAND OF THE AMERICAS. 
          THAT SATURDAY FROM 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM UM, 
          [           Approval of minutes for the HDRC meeting of August 19, 2026.]
AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, AUGUST 19TH. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR AUGUST 19TH, 2026. 
          SECOND. 
          BEEN MOVED THEN PROPERLY SECOND. 
          ARE, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE MAM? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          GIDA. 
          AYE. 
          TRAVIESO. 
          AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
The consent agenda consists of items recommended by staff for approval or approval with stipulations that the applicant accepts. Any member of the public who would like to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and speak prior to the commission’s vote on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda to consider it individually. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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UM, AT THIS POINT IF YOU WANNA DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, UH, WE HAVE NINE ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, PLEASE CHECK YOUR PACKETS FOR LETTERS AND MESSAGES, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF THOSE ITEMS. WE DO HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE THAT I'LL CALL UP AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, IT'S DANIEL AND I'LL HAVE TO GET YOUR LAST NAME AT THE PODIUM. 
          UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          PAULA IS ALSO HERE AND HAS YIELDED HER TIME. 
          IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, YOU CAN GIVE YOUR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. 
          DANIEL, LAST NAME BEGINS WITH AN M. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW YOU DOING MINE, SINGER? WHO? WHO'S ASKING? MINES? YES SIR. 
          YEAH, IF YOU JUST WANNA STATE YOUR NAME, UM, AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU CAN GIVE YOUR 
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COMMENTS. 
          YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS DANIEL INGER AND I LIVE AT 2 35 YELLOWSTONE. 
          IT'S A GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          AGAIN, MY NAME IS DANIEL INGER AND WE'VE LIVED IN THE AREA SINCE 1963 AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. 
          FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE AGAINST THIS PROJECT FOR SEVERAL REASONS, AND THAT IS PROJECT NUMBER FIVE ON 4 21 ROOSEVELT. 
          I'D LIKE TO LIST THEM AND WE'LL SPEAK TO THEM AS THE ITEMS AND ALLOW AND TIME IS ALLOWS IT. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS, IS THAT THERE USED TO BE SOME HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT WERE ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          THESE BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE WERE BUILT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1938 AND 1940. 
          THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS HOW WERE THEY ALLOWED TO BE TORN DOWN? WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED ANY NOTICES ABOUT THE BUILDINGS ABOUT BEING DEMOLISHED AND WHY THEY WERE TORN DOWN WITH OR WITHOUT APPROVAL. 
          THAT'S JUST A GENERAL QUESTION THAT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION IS HEIGHTS. 
          ON THE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THREE STORY AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS. 
          THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO THREE STORY BUILDINGS IN THE AREA EXCEPT FOR THE AT T BUILDING ON PRESA AND GROVE. 
          THE OLD CPS BUILDING, THE POWER PLANT ON MISSION ROAD, AND OF COURSE THE LONE STAR BREWERY ALLOWING TALL BUILDINGS IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE AREA BECAUSE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA BUILD AND THEY'RE ENCOURAGED TO BUILD BIGGER PROPERTIES HIGHER AND HIGHER AND HIGHER, WHICH BLOCKS THE VIEW FOR MANY PEOPLE FROM OUR DOWNTOWN SKYLINE. 
          EVERYBODY KNOWS WORLD'S FAIR. 
          68, THE TOWER WAS BUILT. 
          SO A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE PROUD OF THEIR AREA, PROUD OF THEIR HERITAGE. 
          PARKING TRAFFIC VIA LINE MAKES THE STREETS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF APARTMENTS IN THE AREA ALREADY. 
          THE ST. 
          JOHN ON MICHELIN MISSION WITH OVER 200 APARTMENTS, NO STREET ADDITIONS WERE ADDED. 
          NO STOP STOPLIGHTS WERE ADDED. 
          THERE'S BEEN NO NOTHING FROM THE CITY TO HELP THE TRAFFIC CONTROL THERE. 
          FOUR 10 PROBAND IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT RIGHT THERE BY THE TRACKS WHERE THE OLD PAPER COMPANY USED TO BE. 
          THERE'S GOTTA BE AROUND 400 OR 500 APARTMENTS. 
          ONE EXIT TO THE STREET, JUST ONE. 
          THE OTHER ONE IS ON PROBAND STREET. 
          4 23 BLUE STAR HAS A FEW MORE HUNDRED APARTMENTS AS WELL. 
          ONE 11 PROBAND HAS OVER A HUNDRED FLATS AND APARTMENTS AS WELL. 
          ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE AREA. 
          PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE ON MISSION ROAD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE REMEMBER, BUT THE OLD MISSION ROAD USED TO GO THROUGH ROOSEVELT PARK. 
          SOMEBODY HAD THE GREAT IDEA. 
          SORRY IF YOU'RE IN THE ROOM. 
          I DON'T THINK SO, BUT THEY TOOK MISSION ROAD AND CURVED IT AROUND. 
          SO ON THAT CURVE, EVERY COUPLE OF WEEKS THERE'S AN ACCIDENT. 
          SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH THE FENCE BECAUSE IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS SECTION. 
          WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS AS AN EXIT TO THE DRIVEWAY WHERE ALL THE ACCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING, ACCORDING TO THE EXPRESS, THE NEWS, SAN ANTONIO, SAN ANTONIO CURRENTLY HAS 48% TURNOVER RATE WHEN IT COMES TO APARTMENTS. 
          SO MANY APARTMENTS IN THE AREA AND NOTHING'S BEING ADDED EXCEPT THE VIA GREEN LINE THAT IS TAKING DRIVING LANES FROM CARS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SUPPORT FOR IT, BUT IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE CORNER OF CAR, FLORIDA, CAROLINA, AND ROOSEVELT STREET, THE STREET HAS GOTTEN EXTREMELY SMALL AT THE INTERSECTION. 
          SO THERE USED TO BE THREE, FOUR LANES THERE. 
          NOW THERE'S GONNA BE TWO LANES. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO ADD MORE AND MORE CARS AND THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER PROBLEM. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY STREET, EXCUSE ME, AND THE LONE STAR STREET EXPANSION. 
          CURRENTLY, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE KNOW OF IN THE AREA THAT SHOULD TAKE PLACE IN 2027. 
          THEN YOU ADD ALL THE COAL TRAINS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S EVER STOPPED BY THE COAL TRAIN. 
          THE COAL TRAIN COMES THROUGH A COUPLE TIMES A WEEK AND IT CIRCLES ALL THROUGH DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO GOES ALL THROUGH FLORIDA, CAROLINA STREET, AND THEN GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO CALS LAKE TO DUMP. 
          WELL, GUESS WHAT? EVERYBODY'S SPEEDING DOWN THE SIDE STREETS TO MAKE SURE THEY PASS THE TRAINS BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO. 
          ANOTHER AREA OF CONTENTION IS THE WINDOWS. 
          IF I WANNA BUILD A HOUSE FROM SCRATCH, I'M PROBABLY OKAY, BUT IF I LIVE IN THE HISTORIC ERA, WHICH I DO, HDRC SAYS, YOU MUST HAVE WOODEN PANE WINDOWS AND THEY MUST BE WOODEN PANE AND THEY MUST BE UP TO STANDARDS FROM WHAT WE SAY. 
          NOW I CAN GET THE DOUBLE PANE JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE ENERGY EFFICIENT BASED ON FEDERAL RULES. 
          BUT BASED ON THIS, RIGHT NOW, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE WILL ALLOW THEM TO PUT ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN THERE. 
          WELL, IF THEY'RE HISTORIC, WHY ARE THE RULES DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION VERSUS NOT? HERE'S A BIG BONE OF CONTENTION. 
          ARCHEOLOGY, SORRY, I KNOW MY TIME'S RUNNING. 
          THIS IS A HUGE ONE ON YOUR OWN, OWN RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU STATE THAT'S NEEDED FOLLOWING THE TEXAS ANTIQUITIES CODE. 
          HERE'S MY QUESTION. 
          HOW CAN THEY FOLLOW THE CODE WHEN THEY'VE BEEN DOING SITE WORK FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS TO DIG UP THE ENTIRE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND BUILD A HOLDING POND WITH THE SAME TIME WITH ALL THE SOUL AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE? NOBODY'S DONE ANYTHING WITH THE ANTIQUITIES. 
          WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE ARCHEOLOGY? THERE'S A HISTORIC SITE RIGHT ON THE CORNER BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHY TIME RAN OUT AND, BUT THERE'S BEEN NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANTIQUITIES OF THAT. 
          SO JUST AGAIN, RESPECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE LOT LOOKS HORRIBLE. 
          NOW, IF THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE CITY PUT NOTICES ON THEIR PROPERTY ALL THE TIME ON WHY THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE BAD. 
          I USE THAT WORD. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SO WE HAVE NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON CONSENT ITEMS. THANK YOU. 
          SINCE WE HAVE NO OTHER IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, UM, DO ANY, UH, COMMISSIONS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM 
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NUMBER FIVE. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS? SEVEN. 
          ITEM SEVEN. 
          ANY OTHER ITEMS? OKAY, I HAVE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD SIR. 
          I SHOULD MAKE A MOTION. 
          OH, NOT YET, SIR. 
          ONE MOMENT. 
          I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT VICE CHAIR FEER HAS LEFT THE ROOM. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          SIR, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THAT IS WITHOUT FIVE AND SEVEN, WITH, UM, WITHOUT FIVE AND SEVEN, BUT ALL ITEMS, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED. 
          I PROPERLY SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          GIDA AYE. 
          RESO AYE. 
          HOLLAND AYE. 
          AND GIPPS AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 4 36 WEST CRAIG ONE 15, MAIN PLAZA 4 27 SOUTH PRESA ONE 11 ZELDA, UH, 4 31 BROADWAY, 42 14 BRIAR GLEN AND 5 0 2 KENDALL. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          UM, 
          [5. Address/Description:    421 ROOSEVELT AVE
HDRC Case No.:    2026-236
Historic District Name:    Mission
RIO District:    RIO-4
Neighborhood Assn Name:    Roosevelt Park
Applicant:    Michael Clancy/Alamo Architects
Request:    Construction of a three, multi-story, multi-family residential structures
City Council Dist.:    5
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COMMISSIONERS, I'LL PULL UP ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          NOW, THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL CLANCY, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          ALL RIGHT, MR. CLANCY, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL CLANCY WITH ALAMO ARCHITECTS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO? YES. 
          UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR BOTH YOU GUYS. 
          APPLICANT AS WELL AS FOR STAFF. 
          UM, THERE IS A LETTER IN THE, IN OUR FILES FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY THAT EXPRESSED A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. 
          UM, UM, AND SO ALSO A NEIGHBOR WHO HAS ATTENDED. 
          UM, THE FIRST ITEM THAT THE NEIGHBOR BROUGHT UP WAS A HISTORIC, HISTORIC STRUCTURES FROM 19 38, 19 40. 
          AND CAN SOMEBODY, STAFF TELL ME ABOUT WHAT THOSE WERE AND WHAT THE PROCESS WAS TO REMOVE THEM? YEAH, WE HAD A REQUEST IN 2020 TO, FOR A HISTORIC ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, SO WHAT THERE WAS ACTUALLY AN HCRC ITEM FROM THAT TIME, UM, TO REVIEW THE DEMOLITIONS AS NOT CONTRIBUTING, AND THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE DEMOLITION PERMIT WAS ISSUED SOMETIME AFTER THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE CONCERN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, INCREASED TRAFFIC, WHENEVER WE HAVE MIXED USE OR, UM, MULTIFAMILY, OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, INCREASED TRAFFIC. 
          NOWADAYS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST NINE TO FIVE, BUT IT'S AROUND THE CLOCK BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE VARIED SCHEDULES NOWADAYS. 
          UM, DID THIS SITE, WAS THIS SITE REQUIRED TO UNDERGO A TRAFFIC STUDY FOR EITHER ROOSEVELT, UH, FRONTAGE OR MISSION? GO AHEAD, JIM. 
          THE TIA IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS SITE. 
          IT IS NOT. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          AND WHY IS IT NOT REQUIRED? IS IT, UM, IT'S IDZ, IT'S AN IDZ. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT PRECLUDES IT FROM RIGHT. 
          THE IDZ ASSUMES THAT WE ARE IN A TIED IN LOCATION, WHICH WE ARE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BEING ADJACENT TO THE GREEN LINE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WINDOWS, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE STAFF? UM, CAN STAFF COMMENT ON, ON THE WINDOWS AND EXPLAIN HOW THE WINDOW POLICY WORKS? SURE. 
          THE, UH, WINDOW POLICY SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT, UM, THERE'S NO PROHIBITION ON A SPECIFIC MATERIAL. 
          UH, SO IF THE APPLICANT CAN, UH, FIND A WINDOW, WHETHER IT BE WOOD CLAD WOOD, ALUMINUM, UH, EVEN VINYL, UM, THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO RECESS WITHIN WALLS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO TRIM OUT CONSISTENTLY OR SIMILARLY TO, UH, A HISTORIC PROFILE, UH, THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT IN A SPECIFIC COLOR. 
          UH, THEN IT COMPLIES WITH STAFF STANDARDS. 
          UH, AND THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED A DETAIL OF HOW THEY PLAN TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT STANDARD ALSO INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION WITH THE SETBACK FROM THE BUILDING PHASE. 
          SO, UM, SO FOR NEW 
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CONSTRUCTION, RESIDENTIAL, OR COMMERCIAL, AS LONG AS THE DIMENSIONS OF THE MATERIAL COMPLY, IT WOULD BE CONFORMING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND LET'S SEE. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAD A COMMENT ABOUT, LEMME TAKE A LOOK. 
          HOLD ON, LET ME FIND IT. 
          MM. 
          THEY HAD A CON A CONCERN ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND DESIGN. 
          SO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AESTHETICS ALSO, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER, BUT THE HEIGHT OR NECESSARILY THE HEIGHT AND MATERIALS AS IT RELATES TO INDUSTRIAL RATHER THAN A OR WHY, WHY, WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING THE INDUSTRIAL STYLE OR MATERIALS FOR THIS MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? YEAH. 
          UH, SIR QUESTION SIR. 
          SIR, SIR, BEFORE YOU SPEAK, I NEED YOU TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. 
          SORRY, JIM BAILEY, UH, ALAMO ARCHITECTS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          GO AHEAD, ED. 
          WILL YOU PULL UP THE DIAGRAM THAT WE GENERATED THAT SHOWS THE CURRENT AND HISTORIC USES OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SITE OUTLINED, UH, WITH THE LITTLE NOTE NEXT TO IT THAT SAYS MILL POSSIBLY PREDATES HISTORIC URI EDMOND'S HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, IT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL USE BEFORE IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL USE. 
          EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN RED IS EITHER CURRENTLY OR RECENTLY, UH, IN INDUSTRIAL USE, INCLUDING THE, YOU KNOW, AS THE, AS THE, UH, SPEAKER MENTIONED, THE OLD CPS POWER PLANT, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET, WE ACTUALLY PULLED UP THE TER EDMONDS WEBSITE AND THE HERO SHOT OF THE TER EDMONDS HOUSE AS THE CPS BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BEHIND IT. 
          . 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, ONE THING THAT'S, THAT'S FOR SURE IS FROM THE PLACE THAT THAT PHOTO WAS TAKEN, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE FELT GIVEN, UM, THE PREVALENCE OF INDUSTRIAL USES ALONG THE SITE, WE'RE WORKING ON A LONE STAR PROJECT AS WELL. 
          AND SO WE'VE DONE A, A LOT OF STUDY OF BOTH LONE STAR AND, UH, HOW IT ACCRETED OVER THE YEARS AS THEIR, UM, NEEDS GREW SPANNING IN STYLE FROM, UM, INDUSTRIAL KIND OF WHAT, WHAT ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENT THERE IS ON THE DEVELOPMENT SPANNING FROM MISSION STYLE UP THROUGH, UM, BAUHAUS, EARLY BAUHAUS, WHICH, WHICH WE SEE EXAMPLES OF ALL UP AND DOWN ROOSEVELT IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND OLD INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, GIVEN, GIVEN THE PREVALENCE OF STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT DURING THAT PERIOD, AND GIVEN OUR VISUAL RELATION TO THOSE STRUCTURES, UH, WE, WE THOUGHT, WE THOUGHT IT A GOOD, A GOOD FIT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL YIELD MORE OF MY TIME, UM, FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? I ALRIGHT. 
          YES. 
          UH, QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU'RE ASKING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WHICH MEANS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE, THE DESIGN, THE SITE AND EVERYTHING. 
          UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO INCLUDING A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING TO REVIEW YOUR, UM, DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO COMING BACK FOR FINAL? OH, FOR SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST LOOKING AT DRAWING. 
          I KNOW IT'S CONCEPTUAL AND NOT EVERYTHING'S WORKED OUT, BUT DRAWING 32, EDWARD, YOU HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL ON THE CORNER TO THE LEFT, AND AS YOU, UH, PROGRESS TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S, UH, INSETS AND BALCONIES AND THAT, AND THEN BOOM, THERE'S A BIG BLANK PIECE OF WALL, UH, BETWEEN TWO SETS OF BALCONIES. 
          SO, UM, HOPEFULLY AS YOU DEVELOP THIS PLAN, YOU'LL LOOK AT ALL THE PARTS OF THE FACADES AND HOW THEY IMPACT THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT, AND THIS IS JUST, WE'RE IN THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT SOME OF THAT EVEN IN THESE INITIAL STAGES IS INTENTIONAL BECAUSE ALL OF THESE STRUCTURES THAT WE'RE REFERENCING, UH, THAT EXIST ON THE SITES IN THE PREVIOUS DIAGRAM ARE, ARE VERY MUCH, UH, AND, AND MISSION STYLE IN THE BAUHAUS. 
          EXAMPLES IN COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ARE VERY MUCH ABOUT LONG SORT OF BLANK WALLS WITH VERY LITTLE DECORATION, OFTEN SOME SORT OF SIMPLE CORNICE TREATMENT OR PERHAPS BREAKING UP OF THE MASSING, 
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UH, HORIZONTALLY WITH, WITH VERTICAL VERTICAL ELEMENTS. 
          UM, SO WE VERY MUCH INTEND TO STUDY ALL OF THOSE POTENTIAL INTERVENTIONS AS WE MOVE INTO FURTHER PHASES OF DESIGN. 
          AND YES, UH, COMMISSIONER, WE'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMMITTEE, UM, PRIOR TO COMING BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SABINO. 
          HE'LL TO YOU FOR YOUR FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UM, SOMETHING BROUGHT UP BY, UM, BOTH THE SOCIETY AND THE NEIGHBOR IS ABOUT THE ARCHEOLOGICAL WORK AND THE SITE WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. 
          UM, WAS THERE ANY COA FOR THE PREVIOUS SITE WORK THAT Y'ALL DID NEAR THE RETENTION POND? UM, WE'VE ONLY BE RECENTLY BEEN RETAINED TO WORK ON THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL WORK? INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          SURE. 
          HI, I'M DAVID MOORE. 
          I'M A PARTNER IN 4 21 ROOSEVELT, LLC, WHICH IS, UH, THE PROJECT PARTNER FOR THE LAND. 
          THE, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN 2024 DID, UH, GET A DEMOLITION PERMIT AND A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WERE SOME UNIFORM LINEN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WERE ON THE SITE AND HE DID HAVE TO DO AN EXTENSIVE ARCHEOLOGY, UH, STUDY TO MAKE SURE, AND I THINK ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITORING TO MAKE SURE THAT NO, UH, ARTIFACTS WERE IMPAIRED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT CO COREY, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT GIVE ME A MINUTE. 
          I CAN. 
          UM, BECAUSE I NOTICED THE WORK GOING ON PROBABLY MORE THAN A YEAR AGO AND ASKED, AND THERE WAS NOTHING ON FILE AT THE TIME, 2025. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. 
          UM, SO THERE WAS NO ARCHEOLOGICAL REPORT ON FILE. 
          THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE EXPLORER MAP FROM OHP AND YOU RESPONDED ALSO THAT THERE WAS NOTHING AND THAT YOU, Y'ALL WOULD LOOK INTO IT FOR SITE WORK 'CAUSE DEMOLITIONS WERE ISSUED ACTIVELY UNDERGOING A LOT OF SITE WORK. 
          YES, I'LL LOOK INTO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, SIR? NO, I WAS, MAKE A MOTION PLEASE, SIR. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UH, WITH, AT THIS TIME WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, AND REQUESTING, UH, THE DESIGN REVIEW, UM, SESSION THERE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND THIS SESSION. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE PROJECT IS, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE WELL THOUGHT OUT TO BE, THE DESIGN SEEMS APPROPRIATE. 
          I I PERSONALLY, UH, WITH, WITH THE EXPERIENCE IN THE ENVIR IN THE ENVIRONMENT THERE, UH, SEEM, SEEM TO THINK THAT FOUR STORIES IS EXCESSIVE. 
          UH, EVEN IF THAT MEANT THAT THREE STORIES WOULD, WOULD ALLOW FOR A GRANDER, UH, EXPERIENCE ON THE THREE. 
          UH, BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE, THAT THAT FOUR IN THAT ENVIRONMENT SO CLOSE TO A PUBLIC POOL IS VERY, VERY CLOSE. 
          NOW I CAN SEE HOW THERE'S A CONTRADICTION, SAY FOR INSTANCE AT SAN PEDRO, A POOL WHERE THERE'S A 22 STORY BUILDING OR RIGHT ABOUT, UH, BUT HISTORICALLY VERY WELL SHADED, VERY, VERY WELL, UH, COVERED BY THE TREE CANOPIES AROUND THE AREA, THE AREAS SCALE, EVEN EVEN WITH THE DECO. 
          AND I WORKED IN THE, THE KILI SALMON FOR MANY YEARS, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. 
          VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE, WITH THE AREA. 
          IT, IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE SCALE IS, IS IS NOT A FOUR STORY SCALE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND AND WHAT WOULD BE RELEGATED TO THAT WOULD BE ACROSS THE RIVER, OR OF COURSE THE CPS BUILDING, WHICH IS, IS, IS, WAS NEVER A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. 
          UM, SO OUTSIDE OF THAT, I, I, I WOULDN'T BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WHAT APPEARS TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          I MEAN, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTS ARE CHANGING THAT AREAS IS A, A, A BLANK SLATE. 
          UH, THE, THE USE OF MATERIALS, UM, SEEM APPROPRIATE AND THE, THE DESIGN SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE. 
          UM, IT SEEMS DENSE, UH, BUT THAT COULD JUST BE MY, MY LACK OF ATTENTION TO WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT LOT REALLY IS. 
          BUT I JUST WOULD REITERATE THAT, THAT THE ONLY THING CONCERNING TO ME WOULD BE THAT HEIGHT. 
          PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, SWIMMING POOL. 
          COMMISSIONER VALESQUEZ, WOULD YOU CONSIDER AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT? WELL, I, I, I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF A ALTERNATE, UM, MOTION OR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UH, BECAUSE I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE PERSONALLY WHAT, WHAT IT IS THAT, UM, IS, IS NOT APPROPRIATE. 
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I JUST HAVE SERIOUS QUESTIONS. 
          AND I THINK WITHIN THE CONCEPTUAL ASPECT FROM HERE TO THERE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT CONCEPTUAL IS APPROVING THE AMOUNT OF FLOORS. 
          I'M LOOKING AT IT AS THE MASSING, THE, THE, THE GENERAL DESIGN, UH, THE FLOW. 
          BUT I DO, I MEAN, I'M JUST, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT I FEEL CONVICTED TO, TO THE LIMITATION. 
          SEE, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE HEIGHT IS ALLOWING THIS INTRUSION INTO THE POOL, BUT IT'S ALSO CREATING THIS DENSITY. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS OF THEIR PROJECT ARE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT, WHAT IT TAKES TO PENCIL IT OUT. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IDEA, BUT I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE I, I, I'M AS COMMITTED TO THAT CONCERN. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST THAT REALLY WE'RE SEEING PUBLICLY OF THIS PROJECT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU WOULD JUST SECOND LIKE TO COMMENT? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I JUST UNDER CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ON THIS, UM, I, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO STAND IN THE WAY OF A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY WITH, UH, THE STIPULATION ON THE MOTION TO HAVE A DRC. 
          SO, UM, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK AT THAT POINT AND WORK THROUGH, HOPEFULLY WORK THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE CHALLENGES. 
          AND I JUST REALLY TO FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S POINT, I, I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY STIPULATIONS ON YOU 'CAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE SOME GREAT DESIGN SOMETIMES. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU COME BACK WITH FIRST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ONE MOMENT, SIR. 
          UM, ANY COUNCIL COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THAT YOU ASKED THAT COMMISSION KNOW? UM, YEAH, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, KNOWING THAT, UM, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS NOT BINDING, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP Y'ALL MOVE FORWARD AND BE OPEN TO OTHER CHANGES. 
          BUT I DO, UM, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, UM, LIMITING THE HEIGHT, UH, IN SACRIFICE OF THE DENSITY AND LOOKING AT THE LAYOUT OF THIS, THERE ARE WAYS THAT PERHAPS ALONG IMPORTANT PRIORITY EDGES, WHETHER IT'S ROOSEVELT AND UM, AND MISSION, THAT THE HEIGHT IS LOWERED AND THE HEIGHT IS ALLOWED TO EXIST DEEPER INTO THE LOT. 
          THAT MIGHT BE A SOLU, A SOLUTION THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT OR SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AT A DRC. 
          UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT YES, THIS WORKS SO WELL. 
          IF IT WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER, BOTH AESTHETICALLY LAYOUT WISE, IT WOULD BE PERFECT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. 
          THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER IS, THE CHARACTER IS VERY MODEST, IT'S VERY RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND OF THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, YES, THE CPS PLANT IS TALL, BUT I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THOSE BUILDINGS ALONG THE, THE BUILDINGS ALONG, UH, ROOSEVELT THAT YOU'VE SELECTED AS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. 
          YES, THEY ARE, BUT NONE OF THEM ARE. 
          SOME ARE TWO STORIES, NONE ARE THREE STORIES. 
          SO WORKING WITHIN THE ACTUAL CONTEXT OF YOUR HISTORIC AREA, YOUR TRANSIT AREA, AND GEOGRAPHIC AREA, UM, THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS QUITE THAT TALL OR THAT INDUSTRIAL LOOKING. 
          SO MY CONCERN IS THE CHARACTER AND THE MASSING IS PART OF THAT CHARACTER. 
          COULD YOU, YEAH. 
          UM, YES, NO, I, SO ARE YOU ADDRESSING A QUESTION FROM SPECIFICALLY? UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A COMMENT. 
          IT'S PART OF MY COMMENT AND DISCUSSION, SO THANK YOU. 
          IS, UM, BUT YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AND SAY SOMETHING TO THAT? YES, MA'AM. 
          SO, UH, RIGHT NOW, SO WHEN WE'RE IN DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH COMMENT BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO UNLESS WE HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY TO YOU, THINGS OF NATURE, THEN YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL ASK YOU TO RESPOND. 
          OTHERWISE, ONCE I WE'RE GOING WITH THIS DISCUSSION, I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT AND THEN BE ABLE TO SAY WHATEVER YOU NEED TO SAY. 
          SO, SO I'LL JUST SAY IN CLOSING, SHOULD THIS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL MOVE FORWARD, I LOOK FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH Y'ALL ON OTHER ALTERNATIVES OR TWEAKS TO BE A BETTER, BETTER FIT FOR THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CHA? YES, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY WE WERE DISCUSSING HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. 
          MY QUESTION IS THE LIGHTING, THE EXTERNAL LIGHTING, WHAT IS YOUR PLANS TO HOW TO LIGHT THE EXTERNAL PART OF THE, UH, COMPLEX? MICHAEL, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THAT ONE? WE'RE NOT QUITE THERE YET. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY AT THIS POINT WE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT OF, OF COURSE WE WOULD WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO, TO CONTEXT AND, AND ANY 
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OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE NECESSARY TO, TO GET THIS PROJECT THROUGH. 
          AND, AND COMMISSIONER, IF YOU CARE TO ADD A STIPULATION, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WELCOME THAT TO FURTHER STUDY AND COME BACK AT THE, WELL, I WAS SPEAKING BACKING ON, UH, COMMISSIONER ESCANO'S COMMENT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO NOISE LIGHTING, EXTERNAL LIGHTING AND SO FORTH. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ESSENCE OF MY QUESTION TO YOU. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE AN AREA THAT IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE, ONCE YOU HAVE A A FORMAL PLAN, I THINK THAT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR YOUR CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, WHY SHOULD ANSWER YES, UH, EDWARD OR COREY, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT LIMIT? UH, IN RIO FOUR? IT'S, UM, SEVEN STORIES OR 84 FEET, OR I SHOULD SAY SEVEN STORIES AND 84 FEET. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I GUESS I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBOR WHO SPOKE AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AS WELL AS THE, THE COMMISSION HERE AS YOU, UH, IF YOU GET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, AS YOU FURTHER DEVELOP IT, LOOK AT YOUR HEIGHTS, UH, WHETHER YOU CAN, UH, MODULATE THAT ACROSS THE SITE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, FOUR STORIES EVERYWHERE OR, UH, WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          I KNOW YOU'VE GOT FOUR STORIES ON THE NORTH AND THREE STORIES ON THE SOUTH, BUT, UH, STUDY THE, YOUR, UM, UH, YOUR ROI AND AND, UH, THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. 
          UH, AND, UH, COME BACK WITH SOME THOUGHTFUL, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, SO I MEAN THE, THE PROFORMA IS WHAT IT IS. 
          AND WE'RE NOT SEVEN STORIES AND EIGHT STORIES. 
          WE'RE A MIX OF THREE AND FOUR STORIES, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO MAKE THE PROJECT WORK. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN MOVING THINGS AROUND THE SITE, BUT GIVEN ITS CONSTRAINED NATURE AND THE NEED TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE FIRE PROTECTION, UM, FOR THE BENEFITS OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WILL BE LIVING THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE, WE ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN THE PLACES THAT WE CAN PUT BUILDINGS. 
          FURTHERMORE, THE OLD ABANDONED STREET, WAS IT WHERE GROVE USED TO BE, UM, HAS A BUNCH OF PUBLIC UTILITIES RUNNING RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE. 
          WE, WE CANNOT PUT A BUILDING OVER THAT. 
          SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED. 
          I, I WILL, UH, SAY TO, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S, UM, INSIGHTFUL COMMENTS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE VERY SUCCESSFULLY, AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS, IS, UM, IS, UM, VISUALLY MODULATE THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING THROUGH ARCHITECTURAL TREATMENTS. 
          WHETHER THAT'S A, THROUGH A SLIGHT SETBACK ON UPPER LEVELS AND TREATMENT OF ROOFS SO THAT THE BUILDING BEGINS TO NOT APPEAR AS MASSIVE AS IT IS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I DISCUSSED SOME OF THOSE OP THOSE IDEAS, YOU KNOW, REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE BREAKING UP OF VERTICAL MASSING OR, OR AT THE CORNICE LINE. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE DONE THAT SUCCESSFULLY IN SEVERAL PLACES. 
          THERE'S CERTAIN, CERTAINLY THINGS WE CAN DO, UH, TO, TO BREAK UP THE MASSING AND REDUCE, UH, THE PERCEIVED SCALE OF THE BUILDING WITH MICRO ADJUSTMENTS, PERHAPS SETTING THINGS 10 FEET BACK OR 15 FEET BACK AND PLANNING MORE LANDSCAPE. 
          SO I, I HEAR YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY STUDY THAT IN THE, IN THE NEXT ROUND. 
          MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST, UM, PLEASE, SIR, GO AHEAD. 
          UH, I JUST, I I WANNA JUST, UH, TELL YOU THAT I'M ALWAYS VERY AFRAID OF TELLING AN ARCHITECT ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE SOMETHING THAT, THAT MAKES YOUR HORSE A ZEBRA. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, I I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IN A WAY THAT, THAT, UM, IS NOT ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT, UH, CHANGES THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED. 
          UM, IT, IT IS, IT IS SENSITIVE. 
          UM, I WOULD THINK THAT THE MOST, UM, VALUABLE INPUT WOULD BE TO IMAGINE YOURSELF A, I DON'T KNOW, AN 8-YEAR-OLD IN THE SWIMMING POOL, AND TRY TO TRY TO ASK YOURSELF, HOW, HOW CAN THIS LOOK INTENTIONAL TO THAT 8-YEAR-OLD? AND HOW CAN THE MOTHER FEEL THAT THE EIGHT YEAR OLD'S NOT BEING EXPLOITED BY WHOEVER'S LOOKING INTO THAT POOL? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAVE, HAVE ENJOYED THE SWIMMING POOL FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          IT'S A PICNIC PARK, AS 
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DID I WHEN I WAS A CHILD. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A STAPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO WHEN, WHEN YOU MENTIONED MODULATING AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER, UH, FETZER AS WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT LANGUAGE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF YOUR, OF YOUR CREATIVITY. 
          UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT, IT, IT CAN ALWAYS ALSO BE LOOKED AT PERHAPS, UH, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF THERE WASN'T SO MUCH BUILDING PERIOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS EIGHT HOUSES, THEN IT WOULD BE PERFECT, RIGHT? UH, IN THAT CONTEXT. 
          BUT FOR THIS, THAT IS, THAT IS, UM, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE CAN SEE THE ENERGY, THE LIFE THAT, THAT, THAT A COMPLEX LIKE THIS CAN BRING TO AN ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT PERHAPS HAS SEEN ITSELF DYING OFF BECAUSE PURELY THE LACK OF, OF, UH, PARTICIPATION FROM RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, RIGHT. 
          NEW RESIDENTS. 
          SO JUST, JUST, JUST THAT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WEREN'T ASKED ABOUT OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER TIME OR THE THINGS WE WERE, JIM, CAN YOU USE THE MIC PLEASE? UM, COME CLOSER TO THE MIC, SIR. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I WONDER IF WE JUST MIGHT TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT AND HAVE DAVID TALK ABOUT ALL THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, EITHER PARTNERING WITH THE CITY OR PARTNERING OTHER DEVELOP OR THE, OR THE ROOSEVELT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO ACHIEVE ON THE SITE. 
          YES. 
          UH, SO WE HAD, WE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE ROOSEVELT PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          AND THE FIRST MEETING WAS WITH THE PRESIDENT AND I BELIEVE THE TREASURER AT THEIR HOUSE. 
          AND WE KIND OF WENT OVER WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTED TO SEE. 
          UM, THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN WE HAD A, A MEETING WITH THE BROADER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THERE WERE 30 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. 
          IT WAS A REALLY FUN EVENT. 
          UM, WE SHOWED THEM OUR EXACT SITE PLAN. 
          IT'S THE EXACT SAME LAYOUT WE HAVE NOW. 
          THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THE, THE DESIGN PER SE, BUT THEY SAW THE DENSITY, THE MASSING, THE FOUR STORIES ALONG ROOSEVELT AND THE THREE STORIES ALONG MISSION ROAD. 
          AND THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND THEY SUPPORTED, UM, THE NORTHERN HALF TO BE ACTUALLY REZONED TO TOD MX SIX, WHICH ALLOWS SIX STORIES. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING FOR THAT. 
          WE'RE GOING FOR FOUR STORIES. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE VERY IN SUPPORT AND I HAVE A LETTER FROM THEM. 
          I'D LOVE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU GUYS AS WELL WHEN YOU DO THE DESIGN REVIEW. 
          THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING, PLEASE, SIR? . 
          UM, SO MOTIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          I HEARD A FEW COMMISSIONERS SAY IT'S JUST CONCEPTUAL, THINGS CAN CHANGE. 
          I HEAR DIFFERENT TAKES ON THE HEIGHT, AND SO I JUST, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, LIKE, IF THERE IS AN EXPECTATION THROUGH THIS MOTION THAT THE HEIGHT BE LOWERED, THAT THAT BE INCLUDED. 
          'CAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS THEM TO DO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND COME BACK AND THEY DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE FOR THE LEVEL OF DENSITY THAT THEY'RE AFTER. 
          SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO INCLUDE EVEN AT THE CONCEPTUAL STAGE. 
          AND IF THERE IS A APPETITE TO INCLUDE THAT STIPULATION IN THE MOTION, THEN I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT YOU DEVELOP FINDINGS THAT, THAT PROVIDE THAT RATIONALE. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. 
          UM, I'LL NEED SOME ASSISTANCE IN DETERMINING WHETHER THIS IS AN AMENDED MOTION OR AN ALTERNATE MOTION. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS TO, UM, LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO, UM, THE EQUIVALENT OF THREE STORIES ON THIS PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY AMENDED MOTION TO LIMIT SOMEWHERE TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT, LIMIT THE HEIGHT, UM, OF THIS PROJECT TO NO MORE THAN THREE STORIES ON THE NORTH FACE AND THE SOUTH FACE OF THE PROJECT OF THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SECOND MOTION DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WEREN'T, UM, YOU DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY MOVE ON THAT. 
          UM, ARE YOU CONSIDERING, ARE YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR MOTION TO LIMIT TO THE THREE STORIES OR, UM, ARE YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOUR MOTION AS IT STANDS, SIR? WELL, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE THE MOTION AS IT STANDS, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, SAY I HAVE AN IN CREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR COMMISSIONER ENO'S, UH, THOUGHTFULNESS AND HER SENSITIVITY TO DESIGN. 
          UM, BUT I, BUT I DID HEAR A COUPLE OF WORDS THAT, THAT I THINK MEAN QUITE A BIT FROM THE ARCHITECTS AND FROM COMMISSIONER FETZER, WHICH PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO, UM, I THINK THAT THERE, THERE'S POTENTIALLY A COMMITMENT TO MODULATING OR TO, TO, 
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TO MOVING IN OR CREATING SPACES THAT HELP SOME KIND OF A CASCADE EFFECT. 
          UH, PERHAPS JUST STUDYING A LITTLE DEEPER THE IMPACT OF PEOPLE LOOKING DOWN FROM A FOURTH FLOOR INTO A PUBLIC ENVIRONMENT. 
          UM, I, I, I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT, THAT TRUST IS A REALLY BAD WORD, RIGHT? BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT YOU'D GIVE IT YOUR BEST EFFORT. 
          BUT I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT I TRUST THAT YOU WOULD BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE ALSO A BUSINESSMAN. 
          UH, I DON'T TRUST BUSINESSMEN, RIGHT? UM, BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT PERHAPS, UM, YOU WILL SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE DESIGN OVERALL, UH, TO, TO TAKING IT A STEP FURTHER AND WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A DESIGN REVIEW THAT PERHAPS WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, UH, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN INTENTIONALLY, UH, CROSS MY FINGERS FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO, I, I, IT, IT ISN'T IN DISAGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO, IT'S JUST THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE A CONVICTION ABOUT NOT, AND, AND CHANGING THAT MOTION WOULD BE AN ULTIMATE LIMITATION, AND PERHAPS I'M WRONG. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT, GENTLEMEN. 
          UM, SO GREG, GREAT CALL FOR A VOTE, BUT I JUST WANT TO, UM, COMMENT AND SAY THAT WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR PROJECT, AND I, I AGREE, UM, YOU'VE DONE SOME GREAT WORK IN THE PAST AND THIS LOOKS LIKE A GREAT, GREAT PROJECT AS WELL. 
          BUT YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE SOME SUPPORT FROM COMMUNITY AND THINGS OF NATURE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH A LOT HERE AT THIS COMMISSION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, FEEL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AND THINGS OF NATURE. 
          I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, TO, TO HAVE A DESIGN AND HAVE A PROJECT THAT FLOWS WELL IN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT, UM, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PLEASE EVERYBODY, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE HAPPY WITH, OKAY? SO I, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT NOT DESIGNING FOR YOU. 
          THAT'S NOT OUR JOB HERE, YOU KNOW, BUT JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA? AYE. 
          SAVINA NAY, VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          EVA? AYE. 
          TRIVIA. 
          SO, AYE. 
          HOLLAND AYE. 
          ZER? AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [7. Address/Description:    1315 SAN PEDRO AVE
HDRC Case No.:    2026-226
Neighborhood Assn Name:    Alta Vista
Applicant:    Thu Nguyen
Request:    Public art installation
City Council Dist.:    1
 ]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE. 
          ITEM SEVEN. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT THROUGH WYNN IS HERE, UH, FROM, UH, THE CITY'S ARTS DEPARTMENT. 
          HI, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          HI, MY NAME IS WYNN. 
          I'M, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE, PUBLIC ART PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER ZUKA. 
          SURE. 
          I, I HAD MORE OF A QUESTION ABOUT THE REQUEST THAT WAS GIVEN TO US TO SELECT A PLACE FOR A PIECE OF ART, PUBLIC ART. 
          AND, UM, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT IF I COULD SEE THE ARTWORK, BUT WITHOUT SEEING THE ARTWORK, IT'S NEARLY, I WOULD THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO DO THAT BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE SIGHTING IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING FOR A PIECE OF ART. 
          YOU NEED SIGHT LINES, YOU NEED DISTANCE, SIGHT LINES. 
          UM, SO I, I TRUST THE ARTIST KNOWS HE OR SHE KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT. 
          WE'RE GIVEN THREE CHOICES OR THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S THREE OR FOUR. 
          AND, UM, SO IT'S JUST A, A WE ARE REQUIRED TO TRUST THE ARTIST, WHICH I DO, BUT IT'S IT TO BE ASKING US TO APPROVE OF A LOCATION FOR IT. 
          I WOULD NEVER VENTURE TO DO THAT WITHOUT SEEING THE ARTWORK. 
          SO THAT'S MY ONLY, I FELT VERY ODD WITH THIS REQUEST. 
          I, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT. 
          I MEAN, AND YOU'LL REMEMBER GOING BACK UP TO THE, TO THE KITE ON COMMERCE STREET. 
          THIS IS KIND OF WHAT STARTED THIS, IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PURVIEW THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS IS STRICTLY KIND OF THE PHYSICAL, UM, IMPACTS TO THE PROJECT AND NOT THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE ARTWORK ITSELF THAT GOES TO THE PUBLIC ART BOARD. 
          AND SO WE DON'T WANT THERE TO BE CONFUSION ABOUT WHICH BODY DOES WHAT. 
          AND SO YOU GUYS DON'T NORMALLY SEE PUBLIC ART THAT GOES TO THE PUBLIC ART BOARD, BUT WE DO WANT THIS TO BE A STEP IN THE PROCESS AS A RECOMMENDATION 
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TO THE PUBLIC ART BOARD BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORIC PROPERTY. 
          AND SO I KNOW IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE OVERALL IMPACTS OF SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE SCALE AND MATERIALS AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          BUT WE DO WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT ABOUT LOCATION BECAUSE THERE IS GOING TO BE PHYSICAL IMPACTS WITH DIGGING, DIGGING. 
          AND HERE IN THIS PARK, IT'S GONNA IMPACT, UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF ALL THE PUBLIC ART THAT WE CAN GET. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ARTWORK ON, ON COMMERCE STREET, I WAS VEHEMENTLY AGAINST IT, BUT I HAVE COME TO LOVE THE ARTWORK. 
          I MEAN, I, I TOOK OFFENSE BECAUSE OF WHERE IT WAS PLACED, UM, SINCE CHANGED MY MIND SPEED. 
          AND I DID WANT TO CONFIRM THAT IT IS JUST ONE LOCATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THE PHOTOS IN THIS SLIDE ARE JUST DIFFERENT ANGLES. 
          SO, UM, APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSION. 
          AND SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE RED SQUARE IN THE PHOTO BELOW THE GOOGLE MAPS, UH, LARGER PHOTO THAN, UM, WE'RE JUST, THAT'S THE ONE LOCATION THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON AND THAT THE ARTISTS WILL BE FOCUSING ON AS WELL. 
          JUST A COMMENT, UM, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT, WHAT, WHAT'S OR WHERE , BUT THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND I DID ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND THAT THIS IS SAN ANTONIO'S PARK. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT ONE'S PARK. 
          AND, UH, WE WILL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH, UM, THE FRIENDS OF THE SAN PEDRO SPRINGS PARK CONSERVANCY, THE NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THERE, UM, TO, UH, PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC ART PROCESS. 
          AND WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, GOING TO HOST A PUBLIC MEETING FOR, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE PROPOSALS. 
          WE WILL BE WORKING WITH ARTISTS TO SUBMIT PROPOSALS FOR THIS PROJECT IN PARTICULAR. 
          AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL IF YOU'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? UM, C*M FOR THE STAFF CO COREY MAINLY, MAINLY CO. 
          COREY, FROM THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENTED THE, THE CIRCUMSTANCE, IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE BEGINNING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY TRADITIONAL TO THE PURVIEW OF THE HDRC. 
          SO WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE DO, IT'S GONNA SET SOMETHING IN MOTION, A A, UM, A PROTOCOL. 
          WE'VE BEEN HANDLING IT THIS WAY FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. 
          UM, YOU'VE HAD PROBABLY, I DUNNO, HALF A DOZEN PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH WITH THE SAME LEVEL OF DOCUMENTATION FOR, FOR A COA. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NOW YOU SAID THAT, THAT WE'VE WANTED TO DO THIS AND WE, THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU USED IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THAT. 
          YEAH, I WAS JUST EXPLAINING WHY IT'S PRESENTED THIS WAY, UM, AND NOT AFTER THE CONCEPTUAL ARTWORK HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. 
          AND SO THIS IS ON THE FRONT END OF THE PROJECT. 
          WELL, THE, THE ONLY, THE FROM, FROM WHAT, THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID FIRST IS, IS THAT CLEARLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE JURISDICTION OR PURVIEW OVER THE, THE END PRODUCT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH A PUBLIC ART PROCESS. 
          AND YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT THERE'D BE A PROCESS THAT WOULD END COMING TO THE HCRC AND THE HCRC COULD SAY, I DON'T LIKE IT, WHICH AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 
          RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THEN THE PURVIEW OF THE HDRC WOULD BE THE LOCATION OF SOMETHING PHYSICAL IMPACTS TO A RESOURCE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NOW IT WOULD SEEM THAT IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO COME TO US WITHOUT PURVIEW OVER THE THING ITSELF, BUT THE LOCATION OF THE THING, EVEN IF IT'S 12 INCHES FROM HERE TO THERE, BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS, OR IT DOESN'T SEEM PROPER, THAT IT WOULD JUST COME TO US AS A LOCATION AND LET, LET'S JUST SAY THAT IT CAME TO US AND IT WAS TWO FEET FROM A TREE. 
          IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THE H-J-R-H-D-R-C WOULD SAY THAT'S IN AN INAPPROPRIATE LOCATION. 
          BUT IF IT WAS A TURTLE, IT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION. 
          AND IF IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, A TOWER OF LIFE BUILDING, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN INAPPROPRIATE LOCATION, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO COME AS A, AS A PLACEHOLDER. 
          IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO COME AS A THING TO GO IN A PARTICULAR DIRECTION, A PARTICULAR LOCATION, IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, IT SHOULDN'T GO THERE. 
          YOU NEED TO PRESENT OTHER LOCATIONS 
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WHERE IT WOULD, IT WOULD GO, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE THAT WE WOULD BE, EVEN IF WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THAT WE WOULD JUST BE LOOKING AT A COLORED AREA AND SAYING WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU DO, GOES THERE. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT'S EASY TO COME BACK TO THAT CONCLUSION IN THIS EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S VERY OPEN-ENDED. 
          I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER CASES WHERE IT'S ON HISTORIC PROPERTY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW FOR SURE SOMETHING SHOULDN'T BE INSTALLED THERE, LIKE ON HISTORIC MATERIALS. 
          AND SO REALLY HIGH LEVEL, THE QUESTION TO YOU TODAY, IS THIS AN, IS THIS AN IMPACT TO HISTORIC RESOURCES? AND I AGREE MORE CONTEXT IS ALWAYS BETTER, BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE TURTLE BEING CLOSE TO A TREE OR NOT, NO, THAT, THAT GETS INTO THE CONTENT OF THE ART. 
          AND I JUST WANNA BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHICH BOARD IS REVIEWING WHAT COMPONENT OF THE REQUEST. 
          NO. 
          YES. 
          BUT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE AN APPROVAL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE A MINIATURE TOWER OF LIFE NEXT TO A TREE OR NOT. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE, OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A TOWER OF LIFE BUILDING. 
          IT WOULD JUST BE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPROPRIATE NEXT TO THE TREE, IN WHICH CASE THE TREE WOULD BE IN OUR PURVIEW. 
          SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THIS SHOULDN'T COME HERE, IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT SHOULDN'T COME HERE UNLESS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THING AND WHERE IT GOES. 
          BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A BLANK PIECE OF, AT A SQUARE OF AN ABSTRACT THAT, YEAH, I GO AHEAD, JIM. 
          WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S INAPPROPRIATE? WHAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE ABOUT A, ABOUT A ABSTRACT SQUARE OF NOTHING GOING ANYWHERE? WHAT'S INAPPROPRIATE ABOUT THAT? NOTHING. 
          OR IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. 
          IT EITHER IS OR IT ISN'T. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF THE, THE, WHAT'S INAPPROPRIATE IS ASKING US TO, TO SAY YES TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EVEN ANYTHING THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. 
          AND I, HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS KIMBERLY MADES. 
          I MANAGE THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE. 
          SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A MORE IDEA ON OUR PROCESS, WE GO THROUGH REVIEWS WHERE, AGAIN, FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOK AT THAT, OUR PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AND OUR SAN ANTONIO ARTS COMMISSION, THEY LOOK AT THAT, THE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE SPACE. 
          AND AS TO MENTIONED, WITH THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE GONNA SHOW THE PUBLIC THE SIX PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE GETTING AND WE'RE ASKING THEM TO JUDGE IT ON THE APPROPRIATENESS FOR SAN PEDRO SPRINGS PARK. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT IS GONNA BE INCLUDED IN TERMS OF HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE RESOURCES. 
          WE'VE TOLD THE ARTIST THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE TREES, THE SIDEWALKS, EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE. 
          AND THEN WE WILL, UM, HAVE THAT IN TERMS OF DESIGN, GIVE, UH, FEEDBACK TO THEM TO LOOK AT, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE OHP OFFICE, BUT ALSO PARKS, CAPITAL DELIVERY, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ALL THOSE FOLKS. 
          WELL, NO, THE, THE ONLY QUESTION, IT, IT'S MORE LIKE A PROCESS QUESTION TO EVEN YOUR PROCESS. 
          IT'S LIKE, WHAT IF YOU GOT A MAJORITY VOTE HERE THAT SAID NO, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? WE WOULD PROBABLY DEVELOP IT FURTHER AND COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION. 
          THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A, SO I'LL SAY THIS, THIS KIND OF PATH IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE TWO DEPARTMENTS WORK TOGETHER AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY STEPS IN THE PROCESS. 
          IF WE THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO WAIT UNTIL FURTHER WHEN THERE'S A FEW MORE CONSIDERATIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          I JUST WANNA BE VERY, VERY CLEAR. 
          THIS IS NOT THE PUBLIC ART BOARD. 
          OKAY? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UH, JUST SO I'M CLEAR TOO, I'M NO WAY YOU WANNA GIVE THE IDEA THAT OUR PURVIEW IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ART ITSELF, RIGHT? AND, AND LIKE CORY MENTIONED, WE COULD COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. 
          HERE'S THE CONCRETE OR SIDEWALK OR A DA PATHS THAT THE ARTIST IS PROPOSING, HERE'S THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. 
          AND SHARE THAT WITH YOU GUYS ONCE WE HAVE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          AND, AND I, I'M HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COREY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          COMMISSIONER QUEZ, AND, AND I, I DEFINITELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK THAT, UM, AND I HOPE WE ALL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, BUT I THINK WHAT, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER IS BASICALLY STATING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A WHOLE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE, UH, BASICALLY VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CLEAR CONTEXT ON EVERYTHING HERE. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THE FACT THAT WHEN HE, COREY WAS ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT IF WE, IF IT WE VOTED ON IT DIDN'T PASS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN, YOU'LL COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T, SEEMS INCOMPLETE AT THIS POINT AND OR PREMATURE. 
          SO AM I HITTING YOU AROUND ON THE HEAD, SIR? WELL, IT JUST IS. 
          YOU, YOU WOULD REMOVE THE CONTROVERSY, POTENTIALLY POTENTIAL CONTROVERSY IF IT ONLY CAME TO US ONCE. 
          IT WAS, THIS IS THE DEAL AND THIS IS WHERE WE PROPOSED THAT IT GOES BECAUSE LIKE IF YOU DID, IF YOU LOOKED AT IT ARTISTICALLY, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE ARTS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU LOOK AT ARTISTICALLY AND YOU USE LIKE A NDO LANGUAGE, LIKE NON-DISCRIMINATORY 
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LANGUAGE, RIGHT? LIKE A PERSON, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR THE PERSON IS, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEIR RACE, NATIONALITY IS, THE ART, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE ART IS, HOW TALL IT IS, HOW SHORT IT IS. 
          UM, BUT IT MAY HAVE A CONTEXT INTO IS IT BLOCKING SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS THE ARTIST SAYS, NO, I WANTED TO BLOCK IT BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO SEE ME. 
          I DON'T WANT THEM TO SEE THAT. 
          WE WOULD SAY, WELL, YEAH, THAT'S, YOU'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH BECAUSE THAT THING HAS BEEN HERE FOR 300 YEARS, RIGHT? BUT WE GOTTA KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          SO IF, IF THE, IF WE'RE TOLD THAT THE ART ITSELF IS NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION, WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION. 
          BUT THAT IN NO WAY SHOULD LIMIT THAT. 
          YOU'RE ASKING US TO DO SOMETHING VERY THOUGHTFUL, AND IN ORDER FOR US TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, WE HAVE TO BE EMPOWERED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST, UH, RUBBER STAMPING AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          UH, I'M SORRY, SIR. 
          UH, VICE SHERIFF ZER. 
          YES. 
          UM, QUESTION I GUESS FOR THE APPLICANT, HAS THE RFP BEEN ISSUED AND HAVE THE ARTISTS CREATED THEIR CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS? THE RFP HAS BEEN ISSUED, THEY HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THE DESIGNS YET. 
          THE DEADLINE IS IN OCTOBER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN, HAVE THEY BEEN GIVEN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION FOR THEIR DESIGNS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I GUESS THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR COREY. 
          WOULD IT BE, SINCE THE PROCESS HAS ALREADY STARTED, YOUR ARTISTS ARE HOPEFULLY DREAMING, UH, THEIR, WHAT THEY WILL PRESENT, UM, WOULD A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE SITE FOR THIS RED SQUARE IN SAN PEDRO PARK, UH, BE APPROPRIATE WITH THEM TO COME BACK FOR FINAL AND SHOW US, UH, WHETHER IT'S BEEN SELECTED BY THEN OR WHAT THE, THE, UH, THE HOWEVER MANY, UH, SUBMISSIONS YOU HAVE AND SAY, YES, THIS IS THE RANGE OF SUBMISSIONS AND IT WILL, UH, WE FEEL WILL BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION. 
          I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS IS THEIR PROGRAM, BUT THAT SOUNDS AMENABLE. 
          THAT WOULD BE OKAY. 
          WE, WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN EXACT LOCATION. 
          WE, UH, THE REASON WE DO THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR PROCESS IS WE WOULDN'T WANNA GO TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT HAVING CHECKED WITH YOU GUYS FIRST. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          SO IT'S, WHICH IS THE CART AND WHICH IS THE HORSE? AND WHO DO YOU TALK TO FIRST AND COME BACK TO LATER? COMMISSIONER FITZER. 
          I'LL ASK. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIR, YOU, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER THE BILLBOARDS, UH, DOWNTOWN, SAME DEPARTMENT, IT'S PUBLIC ART. 
          IT CAME BEFORE US AND WE MOVED THE LOCATIONS. 
          SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE OPERATED IN THIS, IN THIS WAY, BUT THE CREATIVITY OF THE ARCHITECTS THAT COME BEFORE US, LIKE THE LAST ARCHITECTS THAT CAME BEFORE US, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IF, IF WE WANTED THEM TO COME TO A DRC, THEY COULD COME TO A DRC, THEY COULD SHOW US WHAT THEY'VE GOT AS LONG AS WE KNEW WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS WERE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ENGAGED IN WHAT THEY DO. 
          BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ARTISTS PARTICIPATING AT A GREATER LEVEL WITH THE COMMISSION AND IT, IT, IT INCREASES THEIR VISIBILITY. 
          IT IT'S A GOOD THING. 
          IT'S THE MORE TRANSPARENCY IS NOT A BAD THING. 
          UM, BUT TO TAKE, UM, UH, I THINK WHAT THE DIRECTION THAT COMMISSIONER, UH, FETZER IS TALKING, THAT'S VERY, I THINK VERY MUCH IN, IN, IN THE WAY OF EVEN HELPING THE ARTIST TO UNDERSTAND PROCESSES AND, AND, AND GREAT IT IS ONLY TO MAKE THEIR PRO THEIR PROB THEIR, THEIR PROJECT BETTER. 
          'CAUSE THEY'LL HAVE GREATER CONTEXT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER MASUKA, ALL THAT SAID, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH ALL THE ARGUMENTS AND HOW MUCH BETTER IT IS FOR THE ARTIST TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          HAVE THE WORDING SIMPLY BEEN, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT A PUBLIC ART PIECE WITH ALL THE CRITERIA THAT YOU'VE SET FORTH IN A PUBLIC PARK? LIKE, LIKE SAN PEDRO PARK? I WOULD'VE, I WOULD NOT HAVE PULLED IT. 
          THAT WAS JUST A SIMPLE, OKAY. 
          I DO AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE PUBLIC ART HERE, BUT THE QUESTION WAS SELECT A LOCATION, WHICH I FOUND NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BRING MORE ART PLEASE. 
          . 
          WE'LL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UH, THIS LOCATION WAS CHOSEN FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          THE DISTRICT ONE COUNCIL OFFICE DID A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SO THAT IS WHY THIS LOCATION WAS CHOSEN. 
          UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS THAT BACKGROUND. 
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THANK YOU. 
          IT'S PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? I MOVE FOR, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THIS SITE FOR, UM, FUTURE PUBLIC ART. 
          SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO ASK EARLIER. 
          UM, CORY, UM, UDC AMENDMENT CYCLE IS BEGINNING SOON, CORRECT? BE NEXT YEAR, CORRECT. 
          UM, AS YOU PUT YOUR TASK FORCE TOGETHER TO ADDRESS, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION TOPICS, THIS IS ONE TOPIC THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED ALSO. 
          AND TO CLARIFY A PROCESS, UM, WHETHER IT'S A CONCEPTUAL FIRST OR WHETHER WE SEE REAL SITE SPECIFIC ART IN THIS SPECIFIC SITE LIKE ARCHITECTURE, THE DESIGN AND THE PRODUCT REALLY BELONGS TO THE SITE AND WORKS WITH THE SITE. 
          SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT, TO BETTER DEFINE THAT AS WELL AS THE, THE SEQUENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OFFICES, UH, THE UDC DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED FOR THAT. 
          WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE STARTED. 
          HELLO? SO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMENT TO AVOID THAT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID BECAUSE I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT ART IS SITE SPECIFIC AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF CRAZY TO PICK OUT A SPOT FOR IT LIMITS THE CREATIVITY AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, HEARING NOTHING ELSE, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          GIDA AYE. 
          TSO AYE. 
          HOLLAND? AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
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THANK YOU. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 2 2 8 16 11 BROADWAY. 
          UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A, OF A WAIVER. 
          EXCUSE ME, I'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. 
          UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A WAIVER PURSUANT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 6 0 8 G TO ACCEPT AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR THE REQUEST NOTED BELOW IN ITEM TWO. 
          AND ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AT 1611 BROADWAY. 
          WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO REMOVE A PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED GENERATOR PAD TO REVISE THE DESIGN OF DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REQUEST ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE APPROVAL OF A WAIVER TO ACCEPT AND REVIEW A SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION UNDER THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 6 0 8 G. 
          BASED ON FINDING C AND D STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION AT LANDSCAPING AND INCLUDING TREES, IT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED DESIGN. 
          A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          UH, THERE'S ONE STIPULATION REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, JAMES MCKNIGHT IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          JAMES, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          JAMES MCKNIGHT WITH ORTIZ MCKNIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE NOT TIRED OF SEEING THIS SITE. 
          I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT, UM, AS BRIEF AS I CAN, BUT STILL COVER WHAT WE NEED TO COVER. 
          OKAY. 
          I STILL, I CAN CONTROL IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AS EDWARD POINTED OUT, THE FIRST ITEM FOR US IS, IS A WAIVER. 
          THIS CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION IN APRIL AND IT WAS APPROVED, BUT ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS WAS TO MOVE THAT SOUTH AUXILIARY BUILDING AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND, UH, TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE SITE. 
          AND IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US TO KEEP IT ON THAT SOUTH END. 
          SO DESPITE THE APPROVAL, WE ARE COMING BACK, UH, REQUESTING APPROVAL TO KEEP THE BUILDING WHERE IT WAS. 
          AND SO WE WANTED TO TAKE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, APPLY THOSE, BUT FIRST OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS TO BE A WAIVER. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE ITEMS, AS, AS, UM, EDWARD POINTED OUT, THERE ARE STIPULATIONS FOR WHEN A WAIVER IS APPROPRIATE. 
          ONE OF THOSE IS WHEN WE INCORPORATE CHANGES BASED ON PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE, THE STATEMENT FROM THE CODE ITSELF. 
          SO WE, WE TOOK SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT COMMISSIONERS HAD MADE ABOUT THE, UH, 
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STRUCTURES OR THE, THE USES THAT WERE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AUXILIARY BUILDING. 
          THERE WAS A, A DUMPSTER ON ONE SIDE, AND THERE WAS A GENERATOR PAD ON THE OTHER. 
          SO WE COMPLETELY REMOVED THE GENERATOR PAD TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE EAST, SOUTHEAST. 
          AND ON THE, THE DUMPSTER BUILDING YOU CAN SEE HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE, UH, NORTH AND WEST OF THE SITE, BUT IN A MORE, UH, PERMANENT WAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT IS US RESPONDING DIRECTLY TO COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. 
          THERE'S ALSO BEEN INCREASED LANDSCAPING, AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED A LANDSCAPE PLAN, ALTHOUGH THAT THERE IS STILL A, A STIPULATION FOR THAT TO BE REVIEWED LATER. 
          WE HAVE, UH, OFFERED UP MORE LANDSCAPING. 
          SO THAT'S THE WAIVER PART. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE PROJECT SITE AS IT IS, BUT ONE THING, THE ONLY REASON I'M SHOWING THIS REALLY IS ABOUT THE RIO TWO. 
          SO IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN THE RIO TWO. 
          AND, AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I WANNA POINT OUT SOME OF THOSE WAYS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WE STILL MEET THOSE STANDARDS. 
          SO, AS A REMINDER, THE CURRENT USE, IT, IT IS A SEASONAL FAMILY FRIENDLY AREA THAT IS USED FOR AN ICE RINK AND FOR A PUMPKIN PATCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US IS THAT WE CONNECT TO THE, THE SITE THAT'S NORTH AND WEST OF US AS PEOPLE ARE MOVING THROUGH AND FROM THE PEARL AND JUST REALLY ON NEWELL STREET ITSELF, BUT ON, ON THE SITE ITSELF, THEY CAN MOVE THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAD ASKED THAT THE BUILDING NOT BE ON THE WEST BECAUSE WE ARE CONNECTING OR WANT PEOPLE TO CONNECT TO THAT SIDE IN SOME INSTANCES, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS NOT OUR PROPERTY, THAT IS PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR THE SITE. 
          SO THIS IS A RENDERING OF, OF THE SITE WITH THE, THE CHANGES MADE. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE AUXILIARY BUILDING HERE ON THE, THE SOUTH END. 
          THE GENERATED PAD IS NOW GONE, AND THE ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS, OR WEST SIDE, IT'S HARD TO SEE FROM HERE, BUT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE HAS BE, BECOME MORE PERMANENT. 
          AND, UM, ONE COMMENT THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO HAD MADE TO US WAS TO INCORPORATE THAT SIGNAGE, THAT TOWN SQUARE SIGNAGE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE LONG ELEVATION THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR, BUT THIS IS PART OF THAT DRAWING IS TO SHOW THE CONTINUOUS CONTEXT OF THE SIGN, THE LANDSCAPING AND THE BUILDING ALL ALONG NEWELL STREET. 
          HERE'S A SITE PLAN. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE GENERATOR WAS REMOVED FROM BEFORE. 
          AND THE DUMPSTER SITE TO THE, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, AND AGAIN, TO THE NORTH IS THAT PROPERTY THAT, AGAIN, IS NOT OURS, BUT IS, UH, PART OF SOMETIMES DOES CONNECT THROUGH. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T WANT THE BUILDING ON THAT, THAT SIDE. 
          THIS IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. 
          UM, AGAIN, COMMENTS CAN BE MADE AND, AND, AND STAFF CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT NEEDS TO. 
          BUT, UH, WE WANTED TO SHOW THAT WE HAD INCREASED SHADE TREES ALONG BROADWAY. 
          AND OF COURSE THERE ARE SOME SHADE TREES ALONG AS WELL. 
          SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE, THE DUMPSTER ITSELF, AGAIN, THIS IS NOW PERMANENT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A FENCE, NOT JUST A WOODEN FENCE. 
          UH, SO THAT THIS IS A CMU WALL WITH, UH, A BRICK ON THE, ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, BECOMES MORE PERMANENT, BUT IT'S ALSO, UM, THERE'S A RUNNING BOND PATTERN INSTEAD OF CONTINUING THE SOLDIER COURSE THAT WAY, IT'S, IT'S SHOWN AS A SEPARATE STRUCTURE. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A SECOND WITH THE, THE FULL ELEVATION. 
          BUT WE'VE ALSO ADDED A, UH, A PERMANENT PRESET CAST, UH, UM, CAP ONTO THE WALLS AND, UM, METAL DOORS TO THE FRONT. 
          UM, YEAH, AND THE, THOSE, WE WILL SEE IT IN A SECOND, BUT THE WALLS ARE SET ONE COURSE IN FROM THE AUXILIARY STRUCTURE ITSELF AS ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS, I BELIEVE, BY COMMISSIONER SAVINO, JUST SO WE COULD CALL IT OUT. 
          AND THAT, UH, THAT IT WAS DIFFERENTIATED APPROPRIATELY BECAUSE IT IS A DIFFERENT HEIGHT AS WELL. 
          AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT AND HOW THAT STRUCTURE, UM, AT LEAST IN THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE THAT STRUCTURE IS A SHORTER STRUCTURE, UM, AND IS SET IN. 
          SO THERE IS A REVEAL ON THAT END OF THE BUILDING AND DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME PATTERNS OF BRICK THAT ARE GOING THROUGH. 
          SO IT CAN BE SEEN AS, AS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STRUCTURE. 
          SO IN POINTING OUT, UM, THE RIO, THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THE PURPOSES THAT ARE IN THE RIO DISTRICT ITSELF ABOUT HOW IT'S, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT CONNECTED TO THE RIVER, IT'S HOW PEOPLE ARE FLOWING FROM OR THROUGH OUR PROPERTY, BY OUR PROPERTY TO THE RIVER, TO THE PEARL IN SOME CASES. 
          UM, SO HERE IS, NOPE, THAT DOESN'T WANNA GO. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT SETS OF OBJECTIVES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH RIO. 
          THERE'S A DESIGN OBJECTIVES GENERALLY UNDER SECTION 35, 6 70, AND IT TALKS ABOUT ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE WITH HIGH QUALITY STREET GATE, STREET SCAPE DESIGNS. 
          SO HERE'S HOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS DESIGN MEETS THAT, THAT WE HAVE THIS LANDSCAPING AND OPEN SIDES THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH, ENCOURAGE NEIGHBORHOOD 
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AND CUL UH, CULTURAL TOURISM. 
          AGAIN, THIS SITE IS FOR PEOPLE TO FLOW THROUGH, UM, ABOUT BOTH AT THE, THE SOUTH END AND AT THE NORTH END, UH, MAXIMIZE USABLE OPEN SPACE, PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PASSIVE RECREATION AND COMMUNITY GATHERING. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE SITE IS ABOUT, IS THIS COMMUNITY GATHERING PORTION. 
          AND THEN DESIGN STANDARDS THEMSELVES, THAT'S NOT JUST GENERAL OBJECTIVES, BUT BUILDING ORIENTATION AND THEN SERVICE AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. 
          SO HELP DEFINE ACTIVE SPACES, PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN SITES AND ANIMATE THE STREET SCENE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, IS TO SAY THAT THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING ON THAT SOUTH END IS STILL APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE, THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE'RE USING AND THAT WE'RE FRAMING THAT STREET EDGE NEXT TO NEWELL. 
          UM, AND SO WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL MEETING THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS BUILDING IN THAT WAY. 
          THERE ARE ALSO GUIDELINES FOR SERVICE AREA AND MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, AND THAT IT BE INTEGRATED WITH THE DESIGN OF THE SITE AND THE BUILDING, AGAIN, BY MAKING THAT DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE PERMANENT. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT, CALL IT OUT, BUT STILL INCORPORATE IT AND MAKE IT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND DOING THAT IT ADDS TO THAT STREET EDGE ALONG THE ALONG . 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IN SUMMARY IS TO SAY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE WAIVER THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, UM, AND SUGGESTIONS, AND THEN APPROVE THE AMENDED APPLICATION TO KEEP THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH END AND MAKE THAT THAT DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE PERMANENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THE ARCHITECT IS, IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WELL. 
          IF THERE'S ANYTHING, UM, MORE DETAILED THAT I CAN'T HANDLE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS? WELL, LET ME GO IN ORDER NOW. 
          SO WE'LL START OFF ON MY, UM, FAR LEFT, UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE AFF APPLICANT ON COMMISSIONER GUDA. 
          NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CHAO, NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, NO QUESTION ON, NO QUESTIONS ON THE WAIVER REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MASUKA. 
          I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO QUESTION, SIR. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO QUESTION, SIR. 
          UM, VICE CHAIR ZER, NO QUESTIONS. 
          AND IF THERE ARE NO, NO ONE ELSE, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WAIVER REQUEST. 
          SECOND SPENT, MOVED, AND PROPERLY SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION. 
          YES, I THINK THE, UH, PROPOSED DESIGN TODAY HAS SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, ADDRESSED CONCERNS THAT, UH, CAME UP AT THE PREVIOUS, UH, APPROVAL. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THE NEW DESIGN IS WORTH DISCUSSING FOR POSSIBLE, UH, APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND, LIKE TO COMMENT? NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MAYOR, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          MAMON. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          YDA. 
          AYE. 
          RESO. 
          AYE. 
          HOLLAND? AYE. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, NOW, UM, DO WE WANT HEAR FOR THE AMENDED DESIGN? I, I'VE PRESENTED ON THE AMENDED DESIGN AS PART OF THAT, SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE AMENDED DESIGN. 
          SO, UM, I'LL GO IN ORDER AGAIN. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER EVA? NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER ZUKA? NO QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO? NO QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YEAH, THE BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE ARE PRETTY SIMPLE, RIGHT? YES. 
          THEY'RE PRETTY BASIC FUNCTIONAL MM-HMM . 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A FOUNDATION THAT IS JUST SLAB ON GRADE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          NO DRILLED PIERS? NO. 
          NO DRILL PILLAR? NO. 
          NO. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, I MEAN, RELATIVE TO THE POTENTIAL SITE COULD BE VIEWED AS SOMEWHAT EPHEMERAL? IT, IT COULD, YES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HOLLER, NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO QUESTIONS. 
          CHAIR COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR. 
          VICE CHAIR FETZER. 
          UM, NO QUESTIONS. 
          UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING INTO ACCOUNT COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY AND I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED TODAY. 
          SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          I'M SORRY, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          AGREE. 
          SECOND? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          FURTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
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GIANA AYE. 
          TRIVIA. 
          AYE. 
          HOLLAND AYE. 
          FETZER AYE. 
          AND GIBBS AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER 11, PLEASE. 
          ITEM NUMBER 11, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 3 20, OR EXCUSE ME, 2 30 10 37 DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 10 37 DAWSON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH S WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT BALANCE ADMINISTRATION ON THE SOUTH AS THE FRONT FACADE IS NOTED IN FINDING M AS PROPOSED. 
          THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT FENESTRATION PROFILES FEATURED ON THE FRONT FACADE, ATYPICAL FOR THE HISTORIC PROFILES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO EXPLORE WAYS TO INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION ON THE WEST FACADE. 
          UH, TWO, THE WINDOW PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS BE SUBMITTED IN A FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING L WINDOW, PRODUCTS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE ADOPTED STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. 
          THREE AT THE DRIVEWAY WITH NOT EXCEED 10 FEET. 
          AND THEN FOUR THAT A FINAL COLUMN DETAIL BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. UH, CESAR SORE IS HERE IN PERSON, UH, AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WILL NOTE THAT I DO HAVE AN UPDATED DOCUMENT, UH, FOR THIS, THAT, UM, ADDRESSES, UH, A HANDFUL OF STAFF'S COMMENTS. 
          AND I WILL, UM, I'LL JUST PULL THAT DOCUMENT UP NOW. 
          UH, CESAR, IF YOU WANT TO COME ON UP, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR, FOR THE RECORD. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS CESAR SOLTRA WITH CECIL'S DESIGN BUILD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WHILE HE'S PULLING UP YOUR DESIGN, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND START, SIR. 
          UH, SO PULLED UP RIGHT NOW ARE THE, ARE THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS, UH, WHICH CONSIDERED, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF, UH, DURING THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. 
          UM, WE'VE CHANGED, UH, UH, A LOT OF THE SIZES OF THE WINDOWS AND ADDED THE, UH, CENTRAL SIX INCH MULLINS, UM, UH, ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS AND THE HORIZONTAL MINGS. 
          UH, AS RECOMMENDED, UM, WINDOWS WERE ADDED TO THE EAST AND WEST FACADES. 
          UM, AND THE SAME THING ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. 
          UH, WE, WE, UH, ADDED THE, UH, THE, THE CENTRAL SIX INCH MOLDING ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE. 
          SO WE, WE THINK THAT WE BALANCED THE, THE, UH, FENESTRATION. 
          UM, ALSO CONSIDERING, UH, SOME OF THE PROGRAM ON THE INSIDE, UM, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE FAR LEFT, UH, WINDOW. 
          WE, WE, IT'S, IT'S A, IT, IT LOOKS INTO A SHOWER, SO, CORRECT. 
          UH, SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER, WE, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE OVERSIZED, BUT WE WANTED TO BALANCE, UH, THAT WINDOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          UM, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, UH, THAT, UH, GOES INTO THE LAUNDRY, UH, THAT ONE IS, WE KEPT IT, I BELIEVE, AT THREE FEET, UH, SILL HEIGHT, UH, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, GOING INTO THE LAUNDRY ROOM. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A STACKED, WE ONLY HAVE SPACE FOR A STACKED, UM, WASHER AND DRY THERE. 
          AND SO WE DON'T WANNA SEE A WASHER AND DRYER FROM, FROM THE OUTSIDE, EVEN THOUGH YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. 
          UM, UH, WE'VE ALSO MADE, UH, WE'VE MADE MODIFICATIONS TO THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, BY SHRINKING ITS WIDTH BY THREE FEET. 
          UM, SO NOW THE OVERALL WIDTH IS 43 FEET, AND THAT ALLOWED US TO, UH, GET A 10, 10, 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE. 
          AND THEN WE CONNECTED IT TO THE EXISTING APRON. 
          UM, THE REASON IT TAPERS LIKE THAT, OR IT COMES IN AT A, AT A DIAGONAL IS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ELECTRICAL POST ON THE, UH, CORRECT IS AN ELECTRICAL POST RIGHT THERE, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, UH, STRAIGHTEN THAT THING. 
          AND, UH, THAT I, AND OH, AND THE, I'M SORRY, THE MASSING, UH, WE CHANGED THE MASSING ON THE FRONT FACADE, SO NOW THE GABLE COMES ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT AND ACTS AS THE, UH, COVER FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE PORCH. 
          UM, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONS ARE REMINDED, THERE'S A LETTER OF OPPOSITION IN OUR FILES. 
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UM, ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? I'LL START FOR MY HAW RIGHT THIS TIME. 
          SO COMMISSIONER VELASQUE HAS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          WELL, I JUST HAVE, UH, ONE QUESTION. 
          IT'S NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MATERIAL, BUT, UM, I'M NOTICING YOU HAVE TWO PITCHES. 
          YES. 
          WOULD YOU PREFER THAT THEY WERE BOTH THE HIGH PITCH OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IT TO BE HIGHER IN THE CENTER? YES, I WANTED THAT, I WANTED THAT, THAT RIDGE TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE, THAN THE, THE FLANKING. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GABLES? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAYMAN NO QUESTIONS, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I CAN'T LET THIS GO BY YOUR WINDOWS TO THE SHOWER IN THE FRONT. 
          AND I MEAN, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR UPDATES AND YOUR UPDATES YOU JUST SENT. 
          SO THEY DID NOT GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND WE DIDN'T GET THEM ON FRIDAY, RIGHT. 
          WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT 'EM FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          SO I SEE YOUR WINDOW CHANGES. 
          I APPRECIATE THOSE GOING TO SINGLE OR DOUBLE HUNG WITHOUT THAT EXTRA MUTTON. 
          UM, BUT, UM, THE WINDOW IN THE SHOWER, YOU'RE DOING THAT. 
          SO IT SORT OF MIRRORS THE ONE ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DOUBLE SMALL WINDOWS IN THE LAUNDRY ROOM. 
          AND I, I THINK I WOULD, OKAY, HERE'S THE QUESTION. 
          WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO CHANGING THOSE TWO WINDOWS TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE, THE COMMENT PERIOD TO SO THAT THEY ACHIEVE WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO ACHIEVE, BUT HAVE MORE RELATIONSHIP TO THE OVERALL, UH, FACADE. 
          I MEAN, IS IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE ANOTHER CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OR SOMETHING THAT NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WE'LL TALK LATER. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CHA. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER MOOKA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GADA. 
          NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE CHAIR FETZER, UH, NO QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? YES. 
          I MOVE FOR, UH, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY. 
          SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          YES. 
          UH, I DON'T WANT TO STEAL COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S THUNDER HERE, BUT, UH, I AGREE WITH STAFF AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT THERE MAY BE TOO MUCH GOING ON FOR THIS VERY, UH, MODEST HOUSE IN THE FRONT FACADE. 
          AND, UM, EDWARD, IF YOU'D GO BACK TO PAGE 12 OF THE SUBMITTAL WHERE IT HAS THE RENDERING THERE, UM, AGREEING WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT TWO SMALLER WINDOWS THAT ARE RELATE TO EACH OTHER, I THINK WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE THAN TRYING TO RELATE SOMETHING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FACADE. 
          I AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, CHANGING THESE TWO WINDOWS TO BE THE SAME SIZE? SURE. 
          SHORTER AND, AND MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FUNCTION. 
          UM, IT'S TYPICAL FOR, UM, RESIDENTIAL, SMALL, SMALL RESIDENTIAL HOUSES TO, UM, SORT OF TELEGRAPH WHAT'S ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE OUTSIDE BY THEIR WINDOWS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THIS COMMON SENSE DESIGN RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SINCE, SINCE THESE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANCILLARY, UH, ROOMS, I THINK THE SMALLER WINDOWS WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          PLUS YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO ADD TOO MUCH TO THAT FACADE. 
          I AGREE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD A SECOND LIKE TO COMMENT? NO, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MAYMAN? NO COMMENT. 
          CHAIR. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          YEAH, SO THE, IN THE LAUNDRY ROOM YOU HAVE TWO F ONES, RIGHT? UH, TWO F ONES, UH, SEPARATE ALL TOGETHER. 
          SIX INCH MOLD. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, DO ONE F1 THERE AND ONE F1 FOR THE SHOWER. 
          THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SUFFICIENT. 
          ONE F TWO F ONES PERHAPS. 
          YEAH. 
          WORK WITH STAFF ON IT. 
          DONE. 
          NO OTHER COMMENTS, BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR WORKING ON THIS AND, UM, UM, AND ACCOMMODATING THOSE OTHER FEATURES THAT ARE IMPORTANT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THAT'S HOW THE PARKING WORKS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M OKAY WITH THE 
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SETBACK, UM, BEING WHERE IT IS, YOU SHOW IT JUST A TOUCH IN FRONT OF SOME OF THE HOUSES, BUT ALIGNED WITH OTHER HOUSES FAR FARTHER DOWN THE BLOCK. 
          RIGHT? BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO ACHIEVE ALL THAT SUPER SMALL LOT, ALL OF THESE OTHER CRITERIA THAT YOU NEED FOR A DECENT HOME. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO, NO COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER MASUKA. 
          NO COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NO COMMENT SIR. 
          FINAL WORD FOR VICE CHAIR FETZER. 
          UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING COMMENTS INTO ACCOUNT AND, UM, REVISING THE DESIGN TO ME BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, MA'AM? AYE. 
          SENO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          YDA AYE. 
          TRI AYE. 
          HOLLAND? AYE. 
          FETZER? AYE. 
          AND GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ITEM NUMBER 12, PLEASE. 
          I'M SO EXCITED. 
          WHAT? YOU CAN STAY, YOU CAN STAY THERE. 
          YOU CAN STAY HERE. 
          DON'T WORRY. 
          I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. 
          , GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS HDRC CASE 2026 DASH TWO 18. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 550 SQUARE FOOT, ONE AND A HALF STORY REAR, ADDITION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO PARTIALLY ENCLOSED THE FRONT PORCH OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND RECONSTRUCT A LIMESTONE PORCH COLUMN AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND THREE, REPLACE ALL NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED EDITION TO INCLUDE WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING J TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT DIMENSION ELEVATION DRAWINGS REFLECTING THAT THE FIRST STIPULATION HAS BEEN MET. 
          THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING K WINDOWS SHOULD ADHERE TO OHP SPECIFICATIONS. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          ENCLOSURE BASED ON FINDING L STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PROPOSED DESIGN THAT MAINTAINS THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE PORCH. 
          THE INSTALLATION OF THE LIMESTONE COLUMN AND REOPENING OF THE PREVIOUSLY ENCLOSED DOORWAY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, PROVIDED THERE ARE NO OTHER MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT PORCH. 
          AND ITEM THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDING M WINDOWS SHOULD ADHERE TO OHP SPECIFICATIONS AND THE APPLICANT, CHELSEA MCGOVERN IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          AND CHELSEA, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST. 
          SURE. 
          HI, CHELSEA MCGOVERN. 
          UM, SO I GUESS GO DOWN TO THE PICTURES. 
          OKAY, SO THIS IS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE CURRENTLY THEY ADDED THE, UM, SUNROOM ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IN THE EARLY OR THE LATE FORTIES, EARLY FIFTIES, WHEN THE DAUGHTER GOT TO AN OLDER AGE AND MOVED INTO THE DINING ROOM. 
          AND THERE USED TO BE A WALL. 
          SO THEY STOPPED USING THE LIVING ROOM BECAUSE THE SON GOT BEDROOM TWO AND SHE GOT DINING ROOM. 
          AND THERE WAS A CLOSET RIGHT THERE WHERE I OPENED IT UP. 
          SO THEY ADDED A SUNROOM AND THE WINDOWS WERE THE SIZE THAT THEY CHOSE, AND THEN THEY CONVERTED THE GARAGE INTO A, WHAT I LABELED BEDROOM ONE. 
          AND, UM, IT IS DROPPED DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE ORIGINAL, UH, FLOOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET. 
          AND THE PLUMBING IS NOT WORKING WELL, WE'RE HAVING SOME BACKUP ISSUES. 
          SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S THE DESIGN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. 
          I STILL NEED TO DROP DOWN THE PRIMARY BEDROOM, BUT I'M DIGGING ALL OF THE GARAGE OUT SO THAT I CAN ACTUALLY DO A CORRECT DROP IN THE PLUMBING. 
          AND THEN, UM, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          YOU CAN COMPARE. 
          AND SO IT'S GONNA EXTEND 12 FEET BACK INTO OUR BACKYARD AND THEN I ADD ANOTHER BEDROOM ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, 
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WHERE THERE'S LIKE, YEAH, ON ANYWAYS. 
          AND THEN RIGHT HERE THAT I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT Y'ALL RECOMMEND, COREY, THAT YOU DON'T WANT ME TO CHANGE MY FRONT PORCH BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC. 
          UM, I JUST ARGUE THAT IT IS KIND OF AN OBVIOUS ARCHITECTURAL OPPORTUNITY LIKE DESIGN BUILT OPPORTUNITY SINCE IT HAS A ROOF AND IT'S A LARGE PORCH AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS A SIDE PORCH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS CONVERTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO JUST BECAUSE I HAVE A FRONT DOOR THERE, I AM PENALIZED AND CANNOT CONVERT IT INTO INTERIOR LIVING SPACE. 
          UM, BUT I'M OKAY WITH LETTING GO OF THAT. 
          I JUST FEEL LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO ARGUE THAT IN A MODERN LIVING SITUATION, I HAVE THREE BOYS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THREE FULL BATHROOMS, . 
          AND, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I KNOW IS CONTROVERSIAL. 
          I I I WILL MAKE THE WINDOWS CORRECT. 
          I'M, I'M ALL ABOUT THE HISTORIC LOOK. 
          SO THAT'S CURRENT LOOK. 
          SO YOU CAN GO DOWN FURTHER. 
          THOSE ARE PICTURES RIGHT NOW. 
          AND UM, I JUST WANNA CONVERT HALF THE PORCH. 
          YOU CAN KEEP GOING. 
          LIKE, JUST KEEP GOING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND SO I GUESS, UM, ALSO, I, Y'ALL DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, BUT I WANNA RAISE, I HAVE TO RAISE THE PITCH, THE BACK PITCH ABOUT SEVEN FEET, SIX, SEVEN FEET. 
          YOU SEE THE GARAGE RIGHT THERE? COMPARED, I HAVE TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET THE CORRECT DIMENSIONAL HISTORIC LOOK ON THE EAST SIDE, IF YOU CAN GO, KEEP GOING, THERE IT IS. 
          YOU SEE THE ROOF LINE RIGHT NOW ON THE, ON THE, UM, EXISTING STONE. 
          I HAVE TO KEEP THAT PITCH TO COME BACK DOWN FOR THE NEW, FOR THE NEW BEDROOM THAT I'M ADDING ON. 
          DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I HAVE TO CONTINUE THAT ANGLE SO THAT THE ORIGINAL MAIN, UH, NORTH SOUTH GABLE TERMINATES INTO A HIGHER PITCH. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL HAVE TO APPROVE. 
          WE TREATED IT LIKE A REAR EDITION. 
          AND SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH ALONG THE LINES OF THE GUIDELINES, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A HIGHER PITCH, THE GUIDELINES DO SAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE, BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THE ORIGINAL HOUSE READS AND SO THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR YES. 
          PRESENTATION? MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS START UP TO MY FAR RIGHT COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY UNDERSTAND THE DRAWINGS. 
          JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT. 
          I, I I DON'T, I CAN'T TELL WHAT'S NORTH, SOUTH. 
          WHAT'S THE PORCH? 'CAUSE I'M, I WAS GETTING CONFUSED BETWEEN HOUSES THAT ARE EXAMPLES STAY RIGHT HERE. 
          THERE ARE NO, OKAY, SO THE ONE TO THE TOP LEFT IS THE EXISTING PORCH AND THE ONE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS ME ENCLOSING IT AND ADDING A WINDOW FOR THE BATHROOM. 
          AND, AND THE, AND THE ROOF IS, DOESN'T MOVE FOR THAT BECAUSE IT ALREADY EXISTS. 
          IT'S A ROOFED PORCH. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING THOUGH, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? WE'RE LOOKING AT ANY CHANGES, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          HOLD ADDITIONAL. 
          SO WHERE THE ARROW IS HITTING THE BEIGE YES. 
          WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE VENT. 
          YEAH. 
          WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S THE VERY BACK. 
          THAT FACADE ON THAT TOP ONE. 
          THAT'S AN EAST FACING, UH, YOU SAY WHERE THE, WHERE THE TWO WINDOWS ARE, CORRECT? IS THAT, AND THEN THIS SECONDARY LOWER BEIGE PART IS A BRAND NEW PIECE, CORRECT? THAT'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S THE ADDITION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO EXTENTS I'M GOING TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. 
          SO WHY DOES THE ROOF COME DOWN TO MEET IT THOUGH? WHY 
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DOES THE STONE ROOF COME DOWN TO MEET IT IF THAT FACADE IS NOW FLAT? OH, I CAN DO WHATEVER YOU NOT WANT. 
          I NO, NO, I'M JUST ASKING THE STONE THIS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO I THOUGHT THAT Y'ALL WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF ANYONE IN THE FUTURE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THEY CAN CHANGE IT. 
          ISN'T THAT THE RULE? NO, NO. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE'S A RULE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT'S A RULE. 
          THERE, THERE WOULD BE A TRANSITION OF MATERIALS AND TYPICALLY WE WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT IN ADDITION. 
          LIKE WE'LL REQUIRE THAT TRIM PIECE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. 
          SO I THINK YOU'RE IN LINE WITH THAT, BUT, AND I, I COULD JUST PRETEND LIKE IT'S A ROOF AND, AND KEEP, NOT WOR NOT RUIN THE ROCK. 
          AND I JUST, YOU KNOW HOW THEY DO IT. 
          WERE YOU JUST NO, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. 
          BUT LIKE TO, TO STEPH, WHAT AT THE SAME TIME SHE COULD CONTINUE THE STONE. 
          I COULD, SHE SHE COULD COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, YES, BUT UM, AGAIN, FOR US, BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT THAT SHE'S PROPOSING, WE'RE FINE WITH HER CHANGING THE, THE SITING MATERIAL TO MATCH THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THAT DIFFERENTIATION WE FELT TO WAS PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR TOLERANCE. 
          SO I'M, I'M GONNA PASS IT DOWN TO MY COMMISSIONER, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO THE, THE, I'M GONNA LISTEN TO THEM 'CAUSE I THINK THEY'LL UNDERSTAND IT BETTER THAN ME. 
          CAN YOU ALSO GO TO THE WEST WALL? UH, KEEP, NO, THAT'S THE EAST, THAT'S JUST THE, UM, KEEP GOING. 
          UH, KEEP GOING. 
          THERE'S THE WEST. 
          OKAY. 
          ACTUALLY, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE? 'CAUSE IT COMES FROM A BETTER ANGLE. 
          UH, OKAY, SO ALL THE TRADITIONAL HOUSE, OKAY, SO ALL THE GARAGES YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL ONE ON THE TOP THAT WAS ALL ROCKED AND MY NEIGHBOR SAID IN THE EIGHTIES THERE WAS A BIG KABOOM AND ALL A ROCK FELL OFF. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY, WHOEVER OWNED THE HOUSE, REUSED IT ON THE OUTSIDE AS A SKIRTING MATERIAL FOR THE SUNROOM. 
          THEY KIND OF FIXED IT UP WHEN THEY REDID THE WINDOWS. 
          SO I HAVE A LOT OF ROCK. 
          HAS THIS BEEN BE HERE BEFORE? YES, IT HAS COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT'S QUITE A WHILE AGO. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE CASE FILE, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, NO, I REMEMBER, I RECALL BECAUSE IT'S 2022, I THINK I, I RECALL BECAUSE THE, THE CONDITION THAT'S AT THE TOP, THE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION IS AT THE BOTTOM, BUT IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE A ROOF CHANGE. 
          AND AT THAT TIME I DON'T THINK THAT WE, NO, WERE OPEN TO A ROOF CHANGE, BUT, AND, AND THAT'S CORRECT. 
          IT'S IN THE CASE, CASE HISTORY. 
          DO COMMISSIONER. 
          SO I I'M MEAN IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT I'M GONNA HAND IT DOWN, MR. CHAIR. 
          I WILL BE HONEST. 
          I ACTUALLY PROPOSED A SECOND STORY AND Y'ALL ARE LIKE, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          SO THAT WAS IT. 
          COMMISSIONER MAMAN, NO QUESTIONS. 
          CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER HOLLAND. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          YEAH, SO THAT SECOND FLOOR IS, ARE THOSE STAIRS IN YOUR PLAN? UH, A VESTIGE OF THAT OR WHERE ARE THEY GOING? YEAH, THEY'RE GOING UP ABOVE THE NEW, UH, PRIMARY. 
          MY BIGGEST THING IS GETTING ACCESS TO OUR HVAC AND ALSO STORAGE. 
          I HAVE NO STORAGE AND SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TCHOTCHKES, BUT LIKE MY BOYS HAVE MEMORABILIA AND WE'VE GOT HALLOWEEN AND CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS AND I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE ATTIC SPACE EASILY THROUGH STAIRCASE RATHER THAN A POLE OR STAIRCASE BECAUSE WE, YEAH, A NARROW, UM, OKAY. 
          WILL THAT ATTIC BE FINISHED OUT AND CONDITIONED? I THINK PART OF IT WILL. 
          I THINK SOME OF IT WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU HAD PLUMBING ISSUES YES. 
          WITH AND WHICH AREA HAS THE PLUMBING ISSUE? UM, ALL OF IT. 
          ALL OF IT? YEAH. 
          UH, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UH, TO, TO THAT, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SOURCE IS, HAVING 1, 2, 3 AND A HALF BATHROOMS, MIGHT THAT EXACERBATE? OH, ANY DROP OR FALL OR ANYTHING IN YOUR NO. 
          SO WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IF, IF YOU CAN ALY, CAN YOU GO TO AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH? UM, THEY USED TO HAVE AN EASEMENT. 
          THEY USED TO HAVE A, UM, BACK ALLEYWAY AND THEY STOPPED IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT, UM, THE, ALL THE, THAT'S FINE. 
          ALL THE UTILITIES AND THE SEWER WOULD GO TO THE EASE, THE ALLEYWAY AND THEN THEY CHANGED IT. 
          AND SO IT HAS A NINE 90 DEGREE LOOP GOING BACK TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          OH 
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MY. 
          SO I HAVE TO DIG IT UP AND THEN I WILL HAVE TO GET THE RIGHT PITCH WITH OUR PLUMBER TO GO TO THE EAST SIDE. 
          IT, IT COMES AROUND ON THE EAST SIDE FOR ALL OF OUR HOUSES. 
          SO, SO YOU'RE GONNA COMPLETELY REDO IT AND COMPLETELY YEAH, BECAUSE THE, IT'S ALL CAST IRON PLUMBING COUNT. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR MATERIALS AND USING YOUR WOOD ON THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE IT'S PART OF AN ADDITION OVER YEARS AND YEARS. 
          AND WE CAN DISTINGUISH THE MAIN ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT HAS THE STONE VENEER FROM THAT NEW STUFF. 
          UM, TO YOUR ADDITION, YOUR PROPOSAL TO ADD A BATHROOM UP IN THE FRONT, MIGHT YOU CONSIDER A DIFFERENT FACING THAT, OOPS, THAT PLANE WITH WOOD, YES. 
          INSTEAD OF THE STONE TO IMPLY THAT THIS IS ALSO AN ADDITION? YES. 
          I MEAN, THEY COULD TOTALLY RIP IT OUT AND, AND GO BACK TO NOTHING IF THEY WANTED TO IN THE FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THIS A SLAB ON GRADE OR IS IT A RAISED IT IS A SLAB, BUT YOU CAN, SO IT'S SLAB AND IT'S SKIRT AND BEAM IN THE BACK. 
          THE WHOLE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS SKIRT AND BEAM. 
          AND THEN I HAVE SLAB ON THE SUNROOM AND THE GARAGE. 
          OKEY-DOKE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER . 
          YES. 
          YOU MENTIONED THE ATTIC SPACE. 
          YES. 
          ARE YOU PLANNING ON PUTTING YOUR AC EQUIPMENT UP THERE? YES. 
          YOU ARE? OH YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA DO TWO UNITS BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE STRESSED. 
          I WANNA HAVE, THANK YOU. 
          A COLD ROOM, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER GDA? NO QUESTIONS. 
          VICE CHAIR FETZER. 
          UM, NO QUESTIONS. 
          I HAD THE, THE SAME QUESTION AS COMMISSIONER SAVINO CHAIR. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN. 
          PLEASE, SIR. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE ITS STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          MO, SO THAT'S THE ONE AND THE THREE AND STAFF SAID THEY DIDN'T RECOMMEND THE TWO, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION, THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU STATE, YOU KNOW, APPROVE ITEM ONE, YOU KNOW, UM, WELL YOU DO ITEM TWO THEN ITEM THREE. 
          SO DO YOU WANNA DO IT THAT WAY OR DO YOU, 'CAUSE YOU RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A SECOND. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY. 
          UM, UH, APPROVE ITEM, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE, UH, IN, IN ACCORD WITH, UH, STAFF. 
          NO, ITEM TWO AND APPROVE ITEM THREE. 
          I WILL SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. 
          NO, NO, THANK YOU. 
          UM, BUT JUST SECOND, LET THE COMMENT JUST REALLY JUST ON THAT SECOND ITEM, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN US, UH, THE COMMISSION BE AMENABLE TO CHANGING HISTORIC PORCHES IN THE PAST. 
          THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IT HAPPENS LIKE 90%, IT'S, THERE ARE EVEN RECENTLY I HELPED MY NEIGHBOR 2 39 TO THE EAST, BUT SHE HAS A SIDE PORCH AND IT WAS ENCLOSED WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF A DIFFERENT FACADE MATERIAL AND WE KEPT THE COLUMNS AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S AN INTERIOR ROOM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER SABINO. 
          SO TO CONFIRM, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER VESO, NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER MAMAN? I'M SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIDA? NO QUESTIONS, SIR. 
          AND UH, VICE CHAIR FETZER, UM, ASKING THE COMMISSIONER WHO MADE THE MOTION, WOULD YOU CONSIDER REVISING THAT TO APPROVE THE PARTIAL ENCLOSURE OF THE PORCH WITH A DIFFERENT EXTERIOR CLADDING? WOULD WOOD SIDING TO MATCH THE REAR ADDITION SO THAT THERE IS A CLEAR DISTINCTION FROM THE HISTORIC STONEWORK AND AN OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUS ADDITION WHICH COULD BE REMOVED IN THE FUTURE IF, IF, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER I, I, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. 
          I CAN'T SEE THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION BECAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A DRAWING OR AN ELEVATION THAT IT'S CLEAR TO ME 
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THAT GIVES ME ENOUGH CONFIDENCE. 
          UH, BUT I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN, IN, IN, IN YOUR OPINION. 
          THE, UM, THE ONE THING I'LL SAY, THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT. 
          IT'S CORRECTING A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UH, PROBLEMS THAT WE SAW BEFORE THAT THE, THAT, THAT HAVING THAT, THAT I REMEMBER THE OTHER SOLUTION DIDN'T SOLVE, BUT IT, IT, IT GETS VERY CLOSE TO, TO A LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OR, UH, CHARACTER. 
          UM, UH, BUT IF, UH, IF, UH, YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT CAN BE DONE IN A WAY THAT THAT, UM, MAKES IT, UM, UM, THAT YOU JUST HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'LL WORK, UH, THEN I AMEND THE, THE MOTION TO INCLUDE, UH, APPROVING ITEM TWO IN A, IN A MATERIALITY THAT THAT HELPS, UH, SUPPORT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS HISTORIC AND WHAT IS THE ADDITION THAT'S ADDITION TO THE MOTION. 
          I CAN'T BE THE ONE TO SECOND THAT, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO SOMEBODY ELSE ON THIS AND BE INTERESTED. 
          I WOULD SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU BEING MOVED PROPERLY. 
          SECOND, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          WELL, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT I REMEMBER THE PROJECT. 
          I KNOW IT'S A DIFFICULT PROJECT AND, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOUR PROJECT MORE DIFFICULT AND I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'RE, UM, UM, PROPOSING TO CORRECT, UH, THE PROBLEMS, PARTICULARLY WITH THAT WEIRD ROOF IN THE BACK AND ALSO TO STAFF. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, MY THANKS FOR, FOR Y'ALL WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. 
          AND IT'S, UH, UM, UH, NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE SAID PUBLICLY THAT I KNOW THAT Y'ALL WORK VERY HARD AND, AND, UH, AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT AND I DON'T KNOW HER, SO IT'S JUST, JUST THE SPIRIT OF WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE'LL GO FOR, UM, FINAL COMMENTS. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER MAYMAN, QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THE, ON THE, THE MENTIONED PORCHES THAT ARE ON SIDE OF THE HOUSES, HAVE THOSE GONE THROUGH APPROVAL FOR ENCLOSURE THROUGH US? YEAH, WE, WE FOUND IT. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S A SEPARATE PORCH FROM THE FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WHY IT WAS SORT OF A SECONDARY THING. 
          AND IT IS TO THE SIDE, ORIGINAL TO THOSE HOUSES. 
          I'D HAVE TO PULL THE CASE FILE TO SEE IF IT WAS ORIGINAL, BUT I THINK SO, YES. 
          SO ALL OF THEM THORMAN BUILT THESE SIDE PORCHES AND FRONT PORCHES THAT HAVE A SCREEN DOOR TO OUTSIDE MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE THE LORE IS THAT EVERYONE SMOKED AND SO THEY HAD TO GO OUTSIDE AND SIT ON THEIR PORCH. 
          AND SO ALL OF THESE PORCHES, EVERY SINGLE ROOM HAD AN EXTERIOR DOOR AND A SCREENED EXTERIOR DOOR AND THIS, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT MY PICTURE ON THE FRONT PORCH, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ROCKED UP USING THE ROCK FROM THE GARAGE TO REMOVE THE DOOR INTO THAT FIRST BEDROOM. 
          THIS, THIS FRONT PORCH FOOTPRINT IS ORIGINAL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE 1933 SANBORN. 
          UM, AND SO THE FOOTPRINT MATCHES, UH, EXACTLY WHAT IS, WHAT IS THERE NOW. 
          BUT I THINK ADRIAN, IF YOU CAN PUT A PHOTO OF THE PORCH UP, LIKE WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS THE FOOTPRINT'S ORIGINAL, BUT IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED BECAUSE THERE WAS A DOOR. 
          YES, THAT THAT IS CORRECT AS WELL. 
          THAT HAS BEEN FILLED IN WITH THE ROCK. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT BOTTOM, YEAH, IF YOU ZOOM IN WHERE THAT ARROW'S POINTING, THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL EXTERIOR DOOR AND THEY USED THE ROCK FROM THE GARAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO THE FOOTPRINT IS ORIGINAL, BUT YES, THERE HAVE BEEN MODIFICATIONS MADE. 
          BUT I WILL, YOU SEE THE FRONT CORNER, I I NEED TO REBUILD A COLUMN, A STONE COLUMN. 
          SO THEY ALSO ENCLOSED THIS INTO A SCREENED IN SUNROOM PORCH AND THEY HAD A VENTED, THEY HAD AC INTO IT AND THE PEOPLE WHO OWNED IT BEFORE US REMOVED ALL THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE WOOD FOUR BY FOUR POSTS BECAUSE THEY HAD EVERYTHING FRAMED IN ON THAT AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. 
          NO OTHER COMMENT. 
          BUT WE'VE GOT A, A HAND UP ON . 
          GOOD. 
          UM, ON THE, I SAW YOU A HAND UP. 
          UH, YEAH, THIS IS ALMA ANO WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR. 
          CAN WE CLARIFY IF THE FIRST MOTION WAS WITHDRAWN? TYPICALLY, ONCE A MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, IT CANNOT BE, UM, MODIFIED IF YOU WILL, OR AMENDED UNLESS IT'S A FORMAL AMENDMENT. 
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SO IN THIS CASE, I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY BEFORE ANY ACTION IS TAKEN UNDER THE FIRST MOTION WAS WITHDRAWN. 
          YES. 
          LET ME, LET ME THEN FORMALLY WITHDRAW THE FIRST MOTION AND MAKE THE SECOND MOTION. 
          THAT IS THE FIRST PLUS THE SECOND ITEM ON THE, THE, UM, APPLICANT'S SHEET. 
          IS THAT GOOD MA'AM? OKAY. 
          SHE'S SECOND HERE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M GLAD SHE ASKED THAT QUESTION. 
          THAT'S MAYBE MY QUESTION BEFORE YOU WENT TO A, A VOTE ON THAT. 
          SO, PERFECT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, UH, I JUST APPRECIATE, UM, APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S PASSION FOR THE PROJECT AND, UH, PATIENCE WITH THE COMMISSION AS WE SORT OF WORK THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO UNDO SOME THINGS THAT WERE DONE IN THE PAST AND, UH, IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU'RE BEING THOUGHTFUL, SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SABINA, NO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER JAR, I ALSO CONCUR WITH MY, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MASUKA. 
          NO COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, JUST AGAIN TO THE APPLICANT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE PROTECTING THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VICE CHAIR CHER? YES, THANK YOU. 
          UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION AND UM, I GUESS WHY I WAS ADVOCATING I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION WHILE WHY I AM ADVOCATING FOR THE ENCLOSURE WITH A DIFFERENT MATERIAL IS THAT THIS FRONT PORCH IS, UH, QUITE DEEP. 
          AND, UM, I THINK WITH THE, UH, ALTERNATE MATERIAL THAT IT'LL BE, UH, SELF-EVIDENT THAT IF THIS IS AN ADDITION AND THERE'S ENOUGH HISTORIC FABRIC IN THE RECREATION OF THE FRONT COLUMN THERE, THAT IN THE FUTURE IF SOMEONE WANTED TO RETURN IT, UH, TO THE ORIGINAL A COULD. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ALL ROLL CALL LADY IS GONE. 
          ME MA. 
          AYE. 
          SABINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          GUEVARA. 
          AYE. 
          TSO AYE. 
          HOLLAND? AYE. 
          ZER. 
          AYE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU APPLICANT. 
          APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU. 
          HAVE A GREAT DAY. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          YOU WANT THE SIGNAGE? I, YES.
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