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LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? HERE, SAVINO.
CAN WE GET CONFIRMATION FOR QUORUM? WE HAVE QUORUM CHAIR.
MAY I HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I AM JAY MAURICE GIBBS CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR IS JEFFREY FETZER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITION.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND APPEAL OF A DECISION BY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON A PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON AN ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE AS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR TODAY.
UH, SO, UM, WE CAN TAKE MEET, UH, ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 2ND HEARING.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST SESSION.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU COULD DIRECT
[CONSENT AGENDA The consent agenda consists of items recommended by staff for approval or approval with stipulations that the applicant accepts. Any member of the public who would like to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and speak prior to the commission’s vote on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda to consider it individually. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE HAVE 13 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, THERE ARE, UH, COMMENTS OF LETTERS SUPPORT, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS.
UH, SO IF THERE ARE ANY ITEMS THAT, UH, YOU'D LIKE TO PULL, WE CAN DO THAT NOW.
OTHERWISE WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO YOU ANY COMMISSIONS? WE SHOULD PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEMS NUMBER 11 AND NUMBER 12.
ANY OTHER ITEMS? HEARING NONE.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA? MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT WE ACCEPT THE
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BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10 AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 13, ALL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 8 0 8 NORTH PINE 1 25 WEST ASHBY 1115 BROADWAY, 1411 OLING 5 0 9 NORTH OLIVE 1 0 5 ST.
MARY'S SIGNAGE REQUEST 6 0 7 EAST NEVA 1505 EAST HOUSTON, 1 0 5 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S, THE LIGHTING REQUEST ONE 19 EAST CRAIG AND 1 0 7 5 0 PLEASANTON.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF OR YOUR CASE MANAGER.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
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COMMISSIONERS.SO, UM, PLEASE LEMME KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ THE ITEM INTO THE RECORD.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.
NO NEED TO MOVE, UH, READ INTO THE RECORD.
UM, WE COULD BRING THE APPLICANT UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.
UH, JERRY WOLF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.
SO, UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN THE COMMISSIONERS WILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
I'M THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S, UH, TRYING TO DO THIS PROJECT HERE.
UM, UM, THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS TO US AND STICKING AROUND TODAY.
I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GARAGE.
UH, AND IT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE GARAGE DOOR AND I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE IT'S A 16 FOOT WIDE GARAGE DOOR.
AND WE HAVE VERY FEW, IF ANY, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THAT PARTICULAR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT WAS THE, WHAT IS THE DRIVING FORCE OR PRIORITY FOR HAVING THAT WIDE OF A DOOR? UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY HAVE TWO CARS.
TWO CARS AND THEY NEED TO PARK TWO CARS IN THERE.
AND THE DRIVEWAY IS VERY NARROW.
SO SIR, CAN YOU STEP CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE? THANK YOU.
IT'S A 16 FOOT DOOR 'CAUSE IT'S A 24 BY 24 GARAGE.
THE CUSTOMER HAS TWO CARS MM-HMM
AND THE DRIVEWAY IS VERY NARROW.
SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM TO GET, JUST OKAY.
UM, STEPH, UM, WERE WE, UM, WERE YOU LOOKING AT ANY PRECEDENTS OR OTHER EXAMPLES OF DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? YES.
SO, NO, FOR THIS ONE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO, UM, ASK THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER WIDENING THE GARAGE AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THE 16 FOOT WIDTH OF THE GARAGE DOOR, IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THE TRADITIONAL TWO, UH, INDIVIDUAL BAYS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY STIPULATE.
SO THAT WAS OUR REASON WHY WE HOPE THAT THE 16 DOOR WAS APPROPRIATE FOR US.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE STANDARD WIDTH FOR A GARAGE DOOR? I'M NOT SURE COMMISSIONER, BUT YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU MAKE IT.
UH, FOR AN INDIVIDUAL SINGLE GARAGE DOOR, STANDARD WIDTH WOULD BE EIGHT FEET OR NINE FEET.
STANDARD ON A WIDTH ON A 20 OR ON A TWO CAR GARAGE IS NORMALLY 16 FOOT.
UM, IF THE MATH IS WHAT IT IS WITH A 24 FOOT WIDE GARAGE BUILDING, IT'S TOTALLY POSSIBLE TO GET TWO EIGHT FOOT GARAGE DOORS IN.
AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WOULD, UH, IF IT WORKED MATHEMATICALLY, WOULD YOU BE OPEN AND AMENABLE TO DOING THAT? ABSOLUTELY, YES.
AND, AND PRIMARILY THE REASON WHY IS FROM THIS PHOTO THAT WE SEE HERE, IT'S HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
IF YOU HAD A GARAGE THAT WAS ROTATED 90 DEGREES AND YOU DROVE IN AND MADE THAT TURN AND IT WASN'T VISIBLE AND YOU HAD TRUE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS, I CAN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
THERE'S ALSO A SEVEN FOOT GATE THAT'S GONNA CLOSE MM-HMM
SO IS, IS THAT PART OF THIS REQUEST? NO, NO, NO.
UM, THERE SHOULD BE A PICTURE OF IT OR
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THAT, SEE HOW IT'S LEANING THIS WAY.THAT GATE WILL BE CLOSED MOST OF THE TIME.
UM, YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON THE PHOTOS.
UM, I STILL THINK THAT IT WOULD BETTER REFLECT THE PROPORTION AND THE SCALE OF THE DOORS AND WINDOWS ALREADY FOUND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, BECAUSE WE TEND TO ASK THAT OFTEN ANYWAY.
UM, WE DO NOT, UM, RARELY DO WE APPROVE A 16 FOOT WIDE DOOR UNLESS THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS ARE REALLY, REALLY THERE.
AND THIS IS A CASE WHERE, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE A GENEROUS 24 FOOT WIDE GARAGE BUILDING THREE FEET, OH, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THREE FEET, EIGHT FEET.
SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT? I WOULD.
THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, AND TO COMMISSIONER ENO'S POINT, I FEEL LIKE THE PICTURE MIGHT BE A LITTLE MISLEADING.
SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A DIFFERENT PACKAGE.
CAN YOU GO ONE PAGE BEFORE THAT THERE? SO IT'S REALLY IN THE BACK.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE YOU'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SEE IT LIKE VISUALLY, LIKE YOU HAVE IT PORTRAYED IN THAT PICTURE.
YOU MIGHT VISUALLY ONLY SEE HALF OF THE GARAGE FROM THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S WAY BACK THERE.
WOULD YOU AGREE? SORRY? I SAID THAT'S A HALF ACRE ACRE PROPERTY.
AND YOUR DRIVEWAY IS ABOUT 12 FEET.
AND YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR PICTURE, YOU'RE PUTTING A 24 GARAGE IN THAT, IN A 12 FOOT DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT VISUAL, THAT PICTURE.
BUT REALLY WE'RE ONLY GONNA SEE 12 FEET OF THE GARAGE.
AND THAT, THAT PICTURE, THAT OTHER SLIDE, CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO TO THE OTHER SLIDE DOWN RIGHT? UH, NO.
SO THAT'S AI ACTUALLY THAT'S AN AI GENERATED PICTURE AS YOU CAN TELL.
SO IT'S GONNA THROW IT IN THERE.
WHATEVER'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, I JUST SAID PUT THE GARAGE IN THERE AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOWED ME.
BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT.
HOW WIDE IS THE GARAGE? IT'S 20 FOOT.
HOW WIDE IS THE DRIVEWAY? SORRY? THE DRIVEWAY, THE, THE DRIVEWAY'S NINE FOOT AND THE GATE IS SEVEN PLUS THE OTHER FOOT THAT IS VISIBLE IN THAT PICTURE, CORRECT? OR IS A GATE NO, IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE IT SHOWS IN THE PICTURE.
THERE'S A LITTLE CONNECTION THERE WHERE IT CONNECTS MM-HMM
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, TO A MOTION THAT WE, UH, UM, ACCEPT, UH, APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 3 WITH AN ADDED STIPULATION.
NUMBER FOUR TO UTILIZE TWO SINGLE BAY GARAGE DOORS SEPARATED, AND ALSO TO PROVIDE A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE ACCURATE LAYOUT OF THE CONCRETE AND THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH TO THE GARAGE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
YEAH, LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN THIS.
UM, I, I THINK EVEN FOR THE LONG RUN, UM, HAVING THE TWO BAY GARAGE IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE ACTUAL STYLE OF THE HOUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
IF THERE WAS A HOUSE ADDED TO A BUNGALOW EVEN IN THE THIRTIES OR THE FORTIES, THAT GARAGE DOOR WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NARROWER.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT, WELL, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO CONCRETE WORK TO CREATE AN APPROACH.
UM, EVEN FOR TWO SEPARATE DOORS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH PAVED SPACE FOR THAT CAR TO APPROACH AND THEN ALIGN AND GET INTO THE DOOR.
UM, WHETHER YOU HAVE ONE DOOR OR TWO DOORS, YOU NEED TO SHOW, UM, THE DRIVEWAY IN YOUR SITE PLAN.
AND SO I'M ASKING FOR THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW THE CONCRETE SO WE KNOW HOW MUCH CONCRETE YOU'RE PUTTING IN.
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OKAY.NOT CONCRETE CONCRETIZING THE WHOLE BACKYARD, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
SO WE KNOW THE EXTENT OF IT, AND I THINK THAT WOULD HELP YOU FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT TRAJECTORY AND THE ANGLE FOR THE APPROACH TO THE GARAGE IS.
SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT CONSIDERING WE'VE, WHERE WE HAVE LONG DRIVEWAYS IN THIS PARTICULAR HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THE DOUBLE BAY DOOR APPROACH IS IN KE IS IN KEEPING WITH THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THE HOUSE AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING OVER THE LONG HAUL, OVER THE DECADES.
UM, SECOND, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, I JUST AGREE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRAWINGS SHOW A WIDE DRIVEWAY, UH, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, OF THE GARAGE.
AND IN REALITY, THE DRIVEWAY, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE 12 FOOT OR NINE FOOT ENDS AND WHERE THE, THE 22 FOOT OR 24 FOOT STARTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN, IN SEEING, MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT SIR? ARE YOU, ARE YOU GOOD? YOU GOOD? YES.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THIS APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER GROUP? MR. CHAIR? YES, THANK YOU.
WELL, UM, I THINK THE PICTURES ARE MISLEADING, BUT I THINK HIS SITE PLAN IS CORRECT.
SO I AM JUST WONDERING WHEN YOU'D HAVE A STIPULATION THAT'S SAYING YOU WANTED A SITE PLAN, A SITE PLAN THAT'S MORE PRECISE.
I MEAN, I'M ALWAYS KIND OF THE, LIKE WE HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT'S SHOWING US AND PRETTY ACCURATE.
I MEAN, WELL HOW MUCH MORE ACCURATE? THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M SAYING, AND I THINK MAYBE THE PICTURES ARE MISLEADING, BUT I THINK THE SITE PLAN IS WHAT'S LEADING TO THIS DECISION AND I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL, UM, ARE NOT ASKING FOR A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, MORE ARCHITECTURAL COMPLICATED DRAWINGS OR MAKING HIM DO MORE AND MORE JUST TO GET THIS BARR GARAGE APPROVED.
AND I MEAN, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IS, BUT AT AGAIN, I JUST MAYBE FEEL LIKE THE PICTURES IN THE PACKAGE MAY HAVE BEEN MISLEADING, BUT THIS SITE PLAN IS REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
ARE YOU WILLING TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN IT IN YOUR, OKAY.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THIS APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
ITEM NUMBER 12 8 75 EAST ASHBY, UH, THE APPLICANT, GREG BURETT IS HERE IN PERSON.
UH, MY NAME IS GREG BRIQUETTE, APEX SIGN GROUP REPRESENTING AREA REAL ESTATE FOR THIS APPLICATION.
I HAVE ASHBY PLACE AS NUMBER 12.
ASHLEY, IS THAT THE CORRECT, THIS IS 8 75 EAST ASHBY PLACE.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER UH, SAVINO PULLED THE WRONG CASE.
I THINK YOU INTENDED TO PULL CASE NUMBER 2 1 25 WEST ASHBY.
I MEANT TO PULL CASE NUMBER 12, 10, 11, AND 12.
WE HAVE IT WRONG ON OUR END SOMEHOW THE, YEAH, THE MOTION FOR CONSENT WAS CASES ONE THROUGH 10 AND THEN NUMBER 13.
UH, I WAS GONNA SAY WE CAN TRY TO HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO.
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UM, COME BACK OR JOIN VIRTUALLY, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER 12.SORRY FOR WE CAN HAVE 1 25 WEST ASHBY TRY TO COME BACK VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON IF THEY'RE STILL HERE.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST IS THE BEST WAY TO RESOLVE THIS? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL, UH, ALMA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE UM, IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT.
UH, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD ASK THEM TO, TO COME BACK.
UM, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR SHE PULLED NUMBER 12.
WHAT HAPPENED? THE, THE AGENDA I'M LOOKING AT INDICATES THAT ITEM NUMBER 12 IS 1 25 WEST ASHBY PLACE.
YEAH, I I, SO THAT ONE WAS PULLED.
AND SO IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, YOU CAN REQUEST A CONTINUANCE FOR TO HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT GIVEN WHATEVER MISUNDERSTANDING THERE WAS.
UM, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON WHAT WAS PUBLISHED.
YEAH, I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE LIST THAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN.
UH, ITEMS TWO AND 12 ARE FLIP FLOPPED.
UM, WELL I GUESS WE DO HAVE ITEM NUMBER 12 CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF US.
UH, AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU DID NOT MEAN TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 12.
Y'ALL DON'T NEED ME TO STAND UP HERE? WE DON'T NEED YOU SIR.
DO Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S NOTED IN THE RECORD OR ARE WE GOOD? WE WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS.
CAN I, UM, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO TAKE ACTION ON IT.
SO WE NEED, SO THE ACTION WILL BE THE CONTINUING, UM, FOR THAT, UM, ITEMS OR WE NEED THAT WE NEED SOME TYPE OF ACTION TO THAT DEFENSE.
I WOULD, MY MAIN CONCERN WERE, WERE THE WINDOWS AND I HAD SPOKEN WITH STAFF ABOUT IT EARLIER, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UM, STAFF'S, UH, TO APPROVE THE PROJECT AS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATION WITH AN ADDED STIPULATION THAT YOU WEREN'T WITH THE APPLICANT ON THE CONCERNS WITH THE WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY IN TERMS OF YEAH, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT WITH THE WINDOWS.
IS THIS FOR THE ITEM NUMBER 12 ON THE AGENDA OR ITEM NUMBER 12 ON THE SCREEN? ON THE AGENDA? WHAT THAT 1 25 ASH WAS ASHBY PLACE.
IT'S THE AGENDA THAT WAS PUBLISHED, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC IN PRINT.
AND CAN WE DO A, A MOTION FOR THAT ONE BECAUSE IT WAS IT WHICH WAS APPROVED IN CONSENT 1 25 OR 8 7 5.
UM, MAYBE THE EASIEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO FIRST TO CLEAR EVERYTHING UP, TAKE ACTION ON 8 75 EAST ASHBY TO NOTE THAT THAT ITEM IS APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN TO TAKE ACTION ON 1 25 WEST ASHBY.
ITEM NUMBER TWO HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED THROUGH CONSENT, SO WE ONLY NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER 12.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE ADDRESS THAT STAFF CALLED OUT WHEN WE LISTED THE ITEMS ON CONSENT AS BEING APPROVED WAS READ AS 8 75 EAST ASHBY, OR EXCUSE ME, WAS READ AS 1 25 WEST ASHBY AND NOT 8 75 EAST ASHBY.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHAT VOCALLY WAS SAID WHEN WE READ OUT WHAT WAS APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT OR APPROVE ITEM, UM, FOR THE, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH THE ADDRESS EIGHT SEVEN EAST ASHBY PLACE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I'LL SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
UM, ASSUMING NO DISCUSSION, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE MA'AM? AYE.
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AND MR. CHAIR, I POLL NUMBER 12 PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY RESOLVED WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH THE STAFF.THEREFORE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENCE ISN'T REALLY CRUCIAL FOR THIS KIND OF A MOTION.
SO IS THE MOTION STILL IN PLAY? UM, RESTATE THE MOTION PLEASE.
UM, TO ACCEPT, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL ON THIS PROJECT, UH, INCLUDING ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION TO THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH THE STAFF REGARDING, UM, WINDOW TYPES, PROPORTIONS AND OTHER STANDARDS, UNLESS IT'S WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH WAS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD AN ADDED STIPULATION DOES BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TO PREPARE A RESPONSE TO THAT ADDED STIPULATION.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING.
AND COMMISSIONER SEVER, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING WOULD BE, UM, THE FIRST HEARING IN OCTOBER? YES.
UM, MR. MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.
UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE, MA'AM, WE, WE, SO, SO I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
SO, SO WE APPROVED THIS ONE IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO PULL IT FROM HAVING ALREADY BEEN APPROVED? WELL, THE ISSUE IS, UM, COMMISSIONER MAMMON, SO ON THE, WE APPROVED THE ITEM IN THE, UM, CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, BUT THE ADDRESSES WERE FLIP FLOPPED, SO THEREFORE WE TOOK ACTION TO CORRECT THAT ON THE, UM, WHAT'S FAR AS THE CONSENT AGENDA GOES.
BUT ON OUR, THE ACTUAL AGENDA THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, UM, IT'S 1 25 WEST ASHBURY PLACE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TAKING ACTION ON.
IS THAT, IS THAT CLEAR? BECAUSE 6, 7, 5, I MEAN, SORRY, 8, 7, 5 WAS FLIP FLOPPED ON THE SCREEN AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON OUR AGENDA HERE.
UH, I SAVINO AYE GALLOWAY AYE.
CAN I HAVE ITEM NUMBER 14 PLEASE? ITEM NUMBER 14 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 2 5 5 5 2 3 ADAM STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE, CONSTRUCT A SINGLE STORY 912 SQUARE FOOT EDITION WITH A 180 SQUARE FOOT COVERED BACK PORCH AND A SEPARATE 24 SQUARE FOOT REAR PORCH AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
NUMBER TWO, REPLACE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE STORY 912 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION, UM, WITH A 180 SQUARE FOOT COVER BACK PORCH AND 24 SQUARE FOOT REAR PORCH WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATE THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS COMMONLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT, AND PROVIDE REVISED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF COA THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF THAT MEETS THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS.
UM, SEE THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
APPLICABLE NUMBER TWO, REPLACE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH, UM, THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE INSTALLED ROOF LEAD THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS.
AND WE HAVE APPLICANT NATE MANFORD HERE TODAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.
I'M NATHAN MANFRED WITH FRENCH IN MICHIGAN AND I'M ALSO HERE WITH THE OWNER, UH, JEFFREY.
AND WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS CHANGES AND MODIFICATIONS WE MADE TO THE PLANS FROM WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
SO WE WENT THROUGH AND MADE THE REQUESTED CHANGES,
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UM, THINGS THAT WE HAD ACTUALLY PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.UM, MODIFIED THE ROOF MATERIAL SO THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO CREATE ROOFS THAT HAD A SLOPE, SO WE WEREN'T PRESENTING FLAT ROOFS ANYMORE.
UM, WE DID MODIFY THE FENESTRATION FOR THE WINDOW THAT'S FACING THE STREET.
UM, WE ARE STILL REQUESTING TO KEEP THE OTHER FENESTRATION IN THE CLOSET JUST TO HAVE A FUNCTIONAL CLOSET WITH THE SHAPES AND FORMS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY HAD IN THE DESIGN.
UM, WE HAVE GOTTEN RID OF THE EYEBROW THAT WAS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLAT ROOF.
UM, WE ARE HAVE INCLUDED DETAILS AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE REAR DECK AND THE TYPE OF DECKING IT IS TO MATCH THE STIPULATIONS PUT FORTH BY THE STAFF.
UM, AND THEN WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED MATERIALS IN THE PACKAGE FOR THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE DOORS AND WINDOWS, MATERIALS AND DIMENSIONS AND DETAILS ABOUT HOW THOSE WOULD BE PUT INTO THE WALL TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE COMPONENTS.
AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE.
UM, WE'LL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT.
WE'LL, UM, START WITH OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS HERE.
ARE THEY, WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS.
ARE THEY ON THEIR PRESENT HERE? UH, CHRISTINA CHOPPA.
STEP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE, MA'AM.
WELL THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO FIRST I WANNA START BY SAYING THAT I UNDERSTAND THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO IMPROVE AND EXPAND THIS PROPERTY AND NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO THAT.
MY CONCERNS ARE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SCALE AND THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ON THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DO LIVE ON ADAM STREET, JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSES DOWN.
THE EXISTING HOUSE IS JUST OVER 1300 SQUARE FEET AND THE ADDITION THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS 70% OF THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE LARGE, UH, BRINGING THE TOTAL CONDITION SPACE TO OVER 2200 SQUARE FEET.
MY FIRST CONCERN IS THE IMPACT THAT THE SCALE HAS ON THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
THIS ISN'T SIMPLY A REAR ADDITION THAT DISAPPEARS AND IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OF THE STREET.
UM, A LARGE PART OF THIS YOU CAN SEE FROM ADAM'S STREET, UH, AND IT'S VISIBLE FROM THEIR RAISING.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF A LITTLE BIT, THE ADDITION OF A NEW CHIMNEY AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO TAKEN TOGETHER, THOSE CHANGES ALTER THE SCALE MASSING AND ARCHITECTURAL PRESENCE OF THE HOUSE FROM PUBLIC VIEW.
I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE WILL REMAIN VISUALLY IDENTIFIABLE AND SUBORDINATE TO THE ADDITION OR WHETHER THE PROJECT SUSTAINABILITY SUSTAINABLY CHANGES.
I'M SORRY WHETHER THE PROJECT SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER AND PROPORTIONS OF THE HOUSE AS VIEWED FROM THE PUBLIC FACING STREET.
ASIDE FROM THAT, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT IN THE BACKYARD AREA.
THERE'S ALREADY A LARGE GARAGE IN THE BACKYARD, A LARGE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY GOING FROM THE STREET ALL THE WAY TO THAT BACK STRUCTURE.
I DON'T SEE THIS NECESSARILY ADDRESSED IN THE SCOPE OF THE WORK THAT WAS PROVIDED, SO I'M CURIOUS IF THAT'S GONNA STAY AS IS OR IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA BE PART OF THIS PROJECT RELATED TO THE GARAGE AND THAT BACK SPACE.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BACKYARD WILL REMAIN GREEN AND PERMEABLE AFTER THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETE.
WHICH LEADS TO MY NEXT CONCERN, THE DRAINAGE OF STORM WATER.
THERE'S ALREADY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS.
YOU HAD TWO MINUTES ON AND SHE HAD NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP.
HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU HAVE, MA'AM? UH, I CAN GET IT DONE IN 30 SECONDS.
UH, SO DRAIN WATER DRAINAGE, JUST WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PROPERTY, THE BACK PORCH, THE COVERED AND THEN THE SECOND UNCOVERED PORCH IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S ALREADY CONCRETE PAVED IN THE BACKYARD.
HOW IS THIS GONNA IMPACT THE DRAINAGE? WE ALREADY HAVE FLOOD ISSUES ON WIX STREET, WHICH IS BEHIND THIS PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT ON ADAM STREET NEAR THIS AND OTHER SURROUNDING STREETS.
SO DRAINAGE IS THE TOP CONCERN OF MINE BECAUSE I DO HAVE ISSUES WITH NEIGHBORS RUNOFF FLOODING MY AREA.
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OKAY.I SAW TWO HERE, SO, BUT ONE, HE HAD ONE.
I DID, I WAS, I'M LOOKING THE WRONG ONE.
OKAY, I'LL ASK FOR, UM, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
I'LL START WITH OUR VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'LL START WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR.
NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR.
UM, JUST TO THE APPLICANT, UM, JUST FROM THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBOR, DO YOU HAVE A LAP COVERAGE RATIO? DO YOU HAVE THOSE PERCENTAGES INCLUDING THE GARAGE AND THE DRIVEWAY? YES, I GUESS IT, THE, I'M SORRY.
WE MET WITH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, CONTINUE.
UH, I WAS, AND ALSO ASKING, UH, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DECKING, THE PORCH WILL BE PERMEABLE.
UM, WE DID MEET WITH AHEAD THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION THE OTHER DAY, AND THEY ACTUALLY ASKED US FOR THE TOTAL BUILT, UH, PERCENTAGE RATIO ONCE THE ADDITION WOULD BE BUILT.
AND THIS INCLUDES THE EXISTING GARAGE, UH, THE PORCHES, THE FRONT PORCH, EVERYTHING.
AND WE WOULD BE JUST UNDER 40% OF LOT COVERAGE.
AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UH, JUST THE PART THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, SO WHERE THE CLOSET AND THE BATHROOM IS, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER IT OR AT SOME POINT IN YOUR PLANS TO ACTUALLY NOT HAVE IT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND MAYBE MOVING IT THAT TYPE, THAT CONSTRUCTION TOWARDS WHERE THE PATIO IS? IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE OTHER SLIDE THERE.
DID YOU EVER CONSIDER THAT IN YOUR PLANS OR ALWAYS FROM THE BEGINNING? NO, THE, THE CLIENT REALLY WANTS THIS REAR PATIO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN, UM, IS THERE A WAY TO EXTEND FURTHER BACK? I'M ASSUMING NOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SETBACKS, RIGHT? THAT'S PART OF IT, CORRECT.
AND THEN THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS WITH THE BACKYARD IN THE FUTURE.
AND THEN MY THIRD QUESTION IS THE WINDOWS.
I KNOW YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, MOVED A LOT OF THE, THE NONCONFORMING WINDOWS.
SO THE CLOSET HAS A TOTAL OF, WE MOVE BACK TO THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE, THERE'S A, YEAH, SO THE CLOSET HAS A TOTAL OF THREE WINDOWS AND THEN, SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF FIVE WINDOWS ON THAT SOUTH SIDE THAT ARE THE RECTANGULAR, AM I CORRECT? THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE SASH WINDOWS AND THEN, AND THOSE ARE IN THE BATHROOM AREA.
SO THOSE ARE PROBABLY YOU, YOU KNOW, THE MORE PROPORTIONATE SIZED WINDOWS.
AND THEN THERE ARE THREE FACING THE SOUTH ELEVATION IN THE CLOSET.
AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO TWO THAT FACE, UM, I'M THINKING HERE, I GUESS TECHNICALLY PLAN WEST, UM, THAT ARE ALL THE SAME PROPORTION AND THOSE ARE IN THE CLOSET.
AND FUNCTIONALLY WE CHOSE THAT SIZE JUST FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
THE OWNER WASN'T INTERESTED IN HAVING A BIG WALL OF JUST FLAT SIDING.
HE WANTED SOMETHING TO BREAK UP THAT FACADE ON BOTH THOSE FACES.
AND SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY TO DO THAT.
HE ALSO WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING SOME NATURAL LIGHT COME INTO THE CLOSET.
SO, UM, BUT I'M, I'M SEEING THAT, SO ALL FIVE OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE IN THE CLOSET, CORRECT? NO, WELL, YES, THE TWO FACING THE REAR AND THE THREE FACING THE SIDE.
UM, COMMISSIONER MAMAN, NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO QUESTIONS.
UM, IN, IN REGARDS TO DRAINAGE, HAVE YOU MADE ANY ASSESSMENTS OR STUDIES OF HOW THE WATER DRAINS, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY? UH, I BELIEVE MOST OF IT IS DRAINING TOWARDS WICKS.
IT'S A LONG LOT THAT SPANS FROM ATOMS TO WIX.
AND WIX HAS KIND OF THE SLOPE GOING DOWN TOWARDS IT.
SO I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHER SITE DEVELOPMENTS, LANDSCAPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE CAN ADDRESS THINGS RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, BIOSWALES OR, YOU KNOW, FRENCH DRAINS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
I JUST, I JUST WANT THEM TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, CERTAINLY A, A VIABLE CONCERN.
REGARDING THE, UH, NEW IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROJECT, ONCE YOU COMPLETE IT,
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WHAT EFFECT DO YOU SEE OR DO YOUR NEIGHBORS, DO THE NEIGHBORS SEE ON OPPOSITE SIDES? DO THEY HAVE A CONCERN THAT THIS IS GONNA BE MASSIVE OR IT'S GONNA BE CHANGING THE, THE HISTORICAL APPROACH TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I MEAN, WE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE, THIS HAS COME UP.WE CAME FOR A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW.
THE OVERALL FORM AND SHAPE HAS NOT CHANGED.
THE MASS HAS NOT CHANGED, UM, FROM THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW.
SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THE STAFF STIPULATIONS AND STIPULATIONS THAT WERE PUT FORTH AT THAT TIME.
AND I WILL SAY THAT THE ROOF FOR THE ADDITION AND ALL COMPONENTS ARE VERY SUBORDINATE TO THE ROOF OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
SO NOTHING'S PEAKING UP ABOVE, NOTHING'S HIGHER.
AND THAT WAS THE ESSENCE OF MY QUESTION, BUT YES.
AND I'LL ALSO ADD THAT THERE'S NO INTENTION TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE EXISTING GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT WILL REMAIN AS IS.
UM, AND UM, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR, YOUR LAST STATEMENT, UM, YOUR, YOUR CORRECT, YOUR RETURNING TO US, BUT THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS TO WHATEVER STAGE WE'RE AT AND IT HAS THE, THE RIGHT, UM, TO COME AND SPEAK, AND SO SHE'S EXERCISING THAT, RIGHT.
SO OF COURSE I, SO WHEN, WHEN THEY EXPRESS CONCERNS, THEN IT'S, UM, IT'S KEY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN, THEY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS COMPLETELY.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT PART IS CLEAR.
YEAH, I'M NOT TRYING TO INVALIDATE ANYBODY'S COMMENTS HERE.
UM, SO COMMISSIONER GROUP, UH, ADDRESSED THE CONCERN I HAD ABOUT THE WINDOWS OR WANTED TO GET A LITTLE EXPLANATION ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE NUMBER 10 OR PAGE 10 IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS SERVED TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IS THE POP-UP GABLE ROOF THAT WE SEE HERE, IS THAT THE SAME ONE IN YOUR DRAWING ELEVATION? CORRECT.
AND HAS IT BEEN LET RAISED OR LOWERED OR NO, WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THE ROOF AT ALL THERE.
THE, THIS IS EXISTING AND THIS IS WHAT SETS THE HIGHEST RIDGE HEIGHT CORRECT? FOR THE BUILDING? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, BECAUSE THEN IN THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE SEE HERE, IT UM, YOUR SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONS ARE A BIT LOWER.
I MEAN THAT WAS OUR GOAL WAS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS OKAY.
AND THEN THE THIRD QUESTION IS FOR STAFF, WHOEVER IS, UM, WELL I GUESS IT COULD BE EVERY, ANYBODY.
UM, ARE THERE ANY PLANS WITH THE NEXT UDC CYCLE, UM, THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY ADDRESS IMPERVIOUS COVER IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS? THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE DON'T ADDRESS 'EM OR HAVE PURVIEW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T ADDRESS IT AND AS OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS BECOME, OH, I'LL GO INTO IT LATER.
IS THERE A QUESTION FOR THAT EDWARD? UH, THAT HASN'T BEEN SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE UDC AMENDMENT.
UH, PROCESS BEGINS NEXT YEAR, SO CAN WE PLEASE ADD IT TO THE LIST? CERTAINLY.
MAY I HAVE A, UM, MOTION PLEASE? UM, SO WE CAN GO INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROJECT, UM, UH, WITH ALL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS.
I'LL SECOND BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY.
I THINK, UH, STAFF HAS THIS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
UM, UH, TO THE WINDOWS IN THE CLOSET, I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY GET EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT LIGHT BY, UM, HAVING ONE TRADITIONAL SHAPE WINDOW IN ONE WALL AND ANOTHER ON THE OTHER FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT'LL LOOK GREAT FROM THE INSIDE, YOU'LL GET GOOD LIGHT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON YOUR TREATMENT, YOU CAN GET NICE DIFFUSED LIGHT AND BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT LIGHT RATHER THAN IN THE CLEAR STORIES WHERE YOU REALLY CAN'T CONTROL IT TOO MUCH.
UM, AND THEN I DID WANNA SAY, BECAUSE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE BECOMING MORE DEVELOPED, THIS DOESN'T PERTAIN JUST TO YOU, BUT OVERALL, UM, WE HAVE A REAL ISSUE AND HAVE HAD AN ISSUE WITH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, UM, CREATING HEAT ISLAND AND INADVERTENT DRAINAGE INTO NEIGHBOR'S YARDS AND PLACES WHERE WE DON'T WANT IT.
AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS WITH THE OFFICE.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.
UH, WELL FOR YOU JUST STAND BY SIR.
UH, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ENOS COMMENTS AND I THINK STAFF HAS A RIGHT ON THE WINDOWS AS WELL.
UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA, NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN, NO COMMENTS.
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THANK YOU.COMMISSIONER RESO, NO COMMENTS.
ITEM NUMBER 15 ON THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 2 3 7 5 0 9.
KING WILLIAM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO NUMBER ONE, CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 400 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION AND DETACH PERGOLA STRUCTURE TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC COTTAGE.
NUMBER TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING FACADE OF THE HISTORIC MORATORIUM OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 400 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION AND ATTACHED PERGOLA STRUCTURE TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC COTTAGE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL MATERIAL AND PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE WINDOWS, DOORS, SIDING, AND ROOF TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE COA, THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING AND OBTAIN A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO MODIFY THE EXISTING AUDITORIUM BY REMOVING THREE BRICK WALLS AND THE LADY AND WINDOWS IN BETWEEN THE STRUCTURAL COLUMNS OF THE EASTERN FACADE AND INSTALL OPERABLE OVERHEAD STEEL DOORS.
STAFF FINDS THAT ANY PROPOSED ADMINISTRATION MODIFIC MODIFICATION SHOULD RETAIN THE PALLADIAN ARCH COURSEWORK IN DETAILING.
UM, DANIEL CRUZ, THE ARCHITECT IS HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
UH, MY NAME IS DANIEL CRUZ AND I'M, UH, WITH DESIGN COOP REPRESENTING OUR CLIENTS, UH, WHO ARE ACTUALLY HERE, UM, AS WELL, UM, FOR 5 0 9 KING WILLIAM.
UH, SO I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THANK YOU GUYS.
UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS THAT DID JOIN US IN A DRC, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO IN REGARDS TO THE COTTAGE EDITION.
UH, WE HAVE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS, UH, TO THIS, UH, BASED ON THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, I DO FEEL LIKE WE HAVE IN, IN THEORY, MADE IT BETTER AND MORE APPROPRIATE FOR, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
UM, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK TOO MUCH ON THAT ONE AS I DO FEEL WE HAVE, UH, WE DO AGREE WITH ALL ST UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WE'LL PROVIDE ALL DATA, UH, NECESSARY FOR THAT DOCUMENT.
I MEAN, FOR THE, UH, COA, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE AUDITORIUM.
UM, I HAVE PREPARED A DOCUMENT, UM, THAT I WILL REFERENCE HERE THROUGHOUT, UM, UH, JUST SOME COUNTERPOINTS.
UM, SO TO START OFF WITH, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST IF YOU CAN JUST HAVE THE ELEVATION OF THE, UH, NO, SORRY.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING A HEAVY MODIFICATION TO THE EAST, UH, ELEVATION.
UM, ONE THING I DO WANNA STATE IS I DO WANT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ACTUAL VISIBILITY.
UM, I DO THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR HERE.
UM, IT, IT, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE REPRESENTED AS A PRIMARY FACADE.
UM, THIS NATATORIUM HAS FORCE SIDES TO IT, AND THE FACADE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING MODIFICATIONS ARE PRIMARILY FACES INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY.
IT IS, IT IS, UM, ALIGNED TO THE INTERNAL TO, IT'S NOT AS MEANINGFUL TO THE KING WILLIAMS STREETS.
UM, SO WHEN, AND, AND I, I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I KNOW THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES HEAVILY, UH, BRING UP VISIBILITY FROM PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
SO JUST A GENERAL, JUST, UH, SOMETHING TO DISCUSS.
UM, AND I DO HAVE PHOTOS THAT WE CAN GET TO AT THE END HERE TO JUST KIND OF SHOW GENERAL PRIVATE RIGHT AWAY FROM, UM, THAT I ACTUALLY TOOK EARLIER TODAY JUST TO KIND OF SHOWCASE WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE EXPERIENCING.
UM, ANOTHER THING TO NOTE IS THE CITY HAS ALREADY RECOGNIZED MODIFICATIONS TO THIS STRUCTURE IN THE PAST.
I HAVE BEEN HERE FRIDAY, IT WAS PROBABLY OVER TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
AND I DID PROPOSE AN ALTERATION WHERE WE DID ENLARGE THE WINDOWS AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED TO, UH, REMOVE BRICK.
UM, SO THERE IS, UM, EVIDENCE OR THAT WE CAN IN FACT MODIFY THIS STRUCTURE.
AND SO WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, AND THEN OTHER THINGS TO SPEAK ON IS THE REMOVAL OR THE ELIMINATION OF THE PALLADIUM ARCH, OR THAT IS SHOWCASED ON THIS ONE FACADE.
I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT AGAIN, THERE ARE FOUR FACADES TO THIS STRUCTURE.
UH, I DO THINK IT'S MISREPRESENTED IN THE, UH, STAFF COMMENTS ABOUT THREE BRICK WALLS.
UH, MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S JUST CAN BE READ OR INTERPRETED INCORRECTLY.
HOWEVER, IT'S JUST ON ONE FACADE, AGAIN, PRIMARILY FACING THE MAIN RESIDENCE.
UM, ONE THING FOR ME THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT IS WE ARE TRYING, THE HOMEOWNERS WANT TO MAKE THIS AN AUDITORIUM.
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THEY WANT THIS TO BE AN AUDITORIUM.HOWEVER, FOR THE PAST 50 OR 50 PLUS YEARS, 70 YEARS, WHEN THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY DID OPERATE OUT OF THIS, IT WAS A OFFICE SPACE.
IT WAS COVERED UP, IT WAS ENCLOSED, IT ACTED GREAT AS THAT.
UM, LIMITED VISIBILITY, LOW LIGHT.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY EXPOSED ALL OF THE ORIGINAL BONES.
AND THE HOMEOWNER'S VISION HERE IS TO SHOWCASE THAT.
AND BY HAVING THESE LARGE STEEL WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SEE THE INTERNAL ARCHITECTURE, HISTORIC GUIDELINES TYPICALLY, PRIMARILY FOCUS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE EXTERIOR.
OUR CLIENTS HAVE SPENT TONS AND TONS OF MONEY IN THIS PROJECT AND THIS PROPERTY IN GENERAL.
AND I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED AS THEIR KEY GOALS HERE ARE PRESERVATION, UH, RESTORATION, AND OBVIOUSLY MAKING IT COMFORTABLE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THIS DAY AND AGE.
UM, THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1876.
THAT AUDITORIUM WAS BUILT IN 1913.
COMFORT STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED, YOU KNOW, JUST IN HOW YOU USE AN OPERATING IN AN AUDITORIUM, IN A POOL STRUCTURE, A LOT OF, UH, HUMIDITY, UH, CHEMICAL AIR MANAGEMENT, ALL THAT THINGS CAN BECOME A FACTOR.
AND HAVING OPERABLE WINDOWS THAT YOU CAN MAKE THIS INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACE AND SHARE WITH THE PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE COMMUNITY, UM, IS IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION.
UM, IF WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER DOCUMENT, I'D JUST LIKE TO SHOW SOME PHOTOS OF, UH, CAN JUST GO BACK, UH, TO THE BEGINNING.
SO THESE ARE JUST SOME ROUND, JUST SOME PHOTOS THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION.
I DIDN'T WANNA PUT TOO MUCH, BUT JUST TO SHOW THE EXTENT EVERYTHING WAS REMOVED, RESTORED.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THE FENCE.
I'VE BEEN UP HERE A FEW TIMES TO, YOU KNOW, UH, ASK FOR APPROVAL ON MANY, MANY ITEMS HERE.
UH, REDOING ROOF LINES, UH, FIXING ROT AND REPAIR ALL THE HANDRAILS.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME BEAUTIFUL PHOTOS OF, OF SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS.
UM, TO REALLY, REALLY MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT ONCE WAS AND IF NOT BETTER.
AND, AND, AND A PLACE FOR, AND A HOME FOR OUR CLIENTS.
AND A BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE COMMUNITY TO SEE AND EXPERIENCE.
UM, THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE NATATORIUM AND THE STATE AT WHICH IT WAS WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED BY OUR CLIENTS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE NATATORIUM AND WHAT IT ONCE WAS FOR THE PAST 50 YEARS.
UM, WE RIPPED IT UP AND OPENED AND REMOVED ALL THE FLOORS, EXPOSED THE EXISTING, ALL THE, UM, BEAMS, UM, SHOWED THE SCALE OF AN AUDITORIUM THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF SAD TO SAY THAT NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN THIS OR MANY PEOPLE HAVE NOT SEEN THIS OTHER THAN PHOTOGRAPHS.
IT HAD BEEN COVERED FOR SO LONG.
AND MANY, MANY PEOPLE AND ARCHITECTS AND PEOPLE THAT I'VE MET THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT, I'VE TAKEN INTO THE SPACE AND THEY'VE MET IN THIS SPACE BEFORE, AS THEY WERE MEETING WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, HAD NO IDEA THAT THIS WAS A POOL.
AND IT'S, IT'S A SHAME TO, TO SAY OR TO EVEN TO, TO ME IT'S SAD.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE THE SPACE COMFORTABLE.
MAKE IT WHAT OUR CLIENTS WANT AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA USE IT FOR THEIR FAMILY, THEIR FRIENDS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SHOWCASE NOT JUST THE EXTERIOR, WHAT IT IS, BUT ALSO THE INTERIOR.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK WHAT WE ARE DOING, UM, THERE ARE GOALS HERE AND IDEAS TO STRIP THE PAINT OFF ALL THE, THE BRICK.
'CAUSE IT IS A, IT IS A GLAZED BRICK THAT IS UNDERNEATH LAYERS OF PAINT THAT WE WILL BE, UH, DRY ICE BLASTING TO RE RESTORE IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WAY.
IT WAS, UM, KEEP ALL THE ADDITIONAL, UH, WINDOWS AND DOORS AND ARCHWAYS WITHIN, EXPOSE THE STEEL, UH, THE, UH, STEEL BEAMS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, WE'RE KEEP, MAYBE WE'RE GONNA PLAY AROUND WITH THAT GREEN COLOR.
WE HAVE THE, UH, EXISTING WOOD CEILING.
WE WANNA KEEP ALL THAT INTACT.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO SHOWCASE WHAT IT ONCE WAS AND WHAT IT CAN BE FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR OUR CLIENTS AND FOR LIKE, AS, LIKE I SAID, THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND HERE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOS, UH, SHOWCASING JUST GENERAL VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET, FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES FROM THE RIVER.
UM, IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE NATATORIUM IN THERE, UH, JUST KNOW THAT IT IS THERE.
NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM HERE AND THERE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT, UH, POINT.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, IN CONCLUSION, WE'RE JUST REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR OUR MODIFICATION TO THIS FACADE, UM, AS WELL AS THE COTTAGE.
THERE ARE, UM, LER SUPPORT WHEN FOLDERS AND TO COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE, ALRIGHT.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR?
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YES, SIR.UM, WE'LL GO TO QUESTIONS NOW.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR IN-PERSON COMMISSIONER, SO I'LL START WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER SABINO.
UM, SO YOU'VE BEEN APPROVED TO PUT THE DOUBLE FRENCH DOORS IN, IS THAT CORRECT? SO CURRENTLY YOU HAVE A FULL HEIGHT DOORWAY, CURRENTLY HAVE A FULL HEIGHT DOORWAY.
IF I THINK IN THIS, UH, FILE, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN, IT'S THE PREVIOUS CASE FROM A FEW YEARS AGO, UHHUH,
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY WINDOWS, UM, THAT STOP AT ABOUT 30 INCHES ABOVE, ABOVE, UH, FINISHED FLOOR.
WE PROPOSED TO RIP THEM DOWN TO THE, THE BASE OF THE, TO THE FINISHED FLOOR IF YOU'LL FINISHED FLOOR.
SO THAT'S INCREASING THAT OPENING AND CORRECT, I SAW ON THE PHOTO, UM, UH, THAT ALSO THE FAN LIGHT CLEAR STORY ABOVE GETS OPENED UP ALSO.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO ASKING FOR IN THIS PACKAGE, UH, SKYLIGHTS IN THE CEILING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, IN YOUR RENDERING YOU HAVE ONE KIND OF CONFIGURATION OF SKYLIGHTS, AND IN THE DRAWING IT'S DIFFERENT.
WHICH ARE YOU? THE, THE RENDERING IS PROBABLY IS BETTER REPRESENTATION.
WE HAD SHOWN IN OUR FLOOR PLAN AT ONE POINT, LARGER SKYLIGHTS.
UH, BUT AFTER LOOKING AT THIS, I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE EXISTING CEILING STRUCTURE AND, AND APPRECIATING IT AND PUTTING SMALLER SKYLIGHTS WITHIN AND MORE OF THEM.
SMALL AND MORE OF THEM, WHICH IS A BETTER APPROACH FOR LIGHTING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CUT SHEETS OR PRODUCT SHEETS ON THE GLASS DOORS, THE LARGE DOORS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? SO I AM PROPOSING CUSTOM MADE STEEL GLASS DOORS THAT WE'VE HAD OUR, UH, FABRICATOR MAKE VERY SIMILAR.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER ONES THAT WE'VE MADE.
UH, I CAN PROVIDE CUT SHEETS UPON REQUEST FOR THAT, UM, THAT OUR FABRICATOR CAN PRODUCE.
WHAT'S THE OPENING MECHANISM? OOPS, OPENING MECHANISM THAT IS CALLED OUT IN THE DRAWINGS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME.
IT STARTS WITH THE R IT'S A RE ALT, I BELIEVE, UM, IS, IT'S A, IT'S A PIVOT DOOR SYSTEM.
UH, JUST CALL THAT RIGHT THERE.
THE FLOAT AWAY SINGLE PANEL OPENING.
SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT IT'S A FULL PIVOT, UH, AND THE ELEVATION BELOW SHOWS THAT IT KIND OF STOPS.
WE'RE TRYING TO, I WANTED TO CREATE AN AWNING LIKE STRUCTURE, KIND OF CREATE, MAKE THE SPACE FEEL A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, UM, SO THEY WOULDN'T BE OPENING OUT AND PIVOTING OFF THAT, UH, PIVOT POINT.
AND THEN WHAT IS THE, UH, FABRICATION OR THE ASSEMBLY OF YOUR GLASS? IS IT DOUBLE GLAZED? IS IT SINGLE SAFETY GLASS, LIKE QUARTER INCH OR WHAT IS IT? SO WE MOST LIKELY WILL SWAP OUT ALL THE GLASS.
WE'VE DONE THAT A LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS IF, AS WE CAN, UM, TO EITHER AN INSULATED UNIT, AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, THE UNITS AND THE, THESE SINGLE PANE GLASS IS, IT BREAKS EASILY AND SHATTERS INTO REALLY DANGEROUS PIECES.
SO, UM, THERE IS AN APPROACH TO POTENTIALLY REPLACE THAT GLASS WITH SAFETY GLASS OR TEMPERED.
UM, WE DO HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS AND THAT WILL GET INTO MORE OF THE, I DO LIKE TO GO OVER THE, THE, THE CHOP DRAWINGS WITH OUR, UH, FABRICATOR, OUR STEEL FABRICATOR AS WELL.
UM, JUST TO SPEC THAT OUT, BECAUSE I DO, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE SAY THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A A, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A STOREFRONT.
THIS IS NOT A STOREFRONT PROPOSED, A GLASS FACADE.
THIS IS GONNA BE A THIN, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, UH, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TO AN EXTENT, UM, THINNER PROFILE STEEL GLASS ENCLOSURE.
ARE YOU AMENABLE TO ADDING A WINDOW ON YOUR COTTAGE ON ONE OF THE SIDES? ONE OF THE WALLS? UM, FOR BEDROOM NUMBER TWO? UH, CAN WE PULL THAT UP? 'CAUSE, UH, GOT A LOT OF WALL SPACE.
YOU HAVE TWO WALL SPACES THAT HAVE NO WINDOWS ON THE OUTSIDE.
ONE MORE UP, I BELIEVE, UH, NUMBER 19.
YOU SAID WHICH BEDROOM? I'M SORRY.
WE COULD ADD ANOTHER, ANOTHER WINDOW THERE.
UM, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY IT'D BE ONE THAT HAS HIGH VISIBILITY, BUT I THINK YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOUR FURNITURE AND YEAH.
YEAH, WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE SPACE.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS STRUCTURE REALLY, REALLY BIG, BUT UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE.
UM, THERE IS KIND OF A MECHANICAL SPACE BEYOND, BEHIND THOSE CLOSETS, SO WE AREN'T TRYING TO SHOWCASE THAT TOO MUCH.
THANK YOUSO, UH, NO QUESTIONS.
NO QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, THE PROJECT IS REALLY HANDSOME.
THE NATATORIUM LOOKS LIKE IT'D BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO SWIM.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA, NO QUESTIONS, SIR.
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NO QUESTIONS.COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO QUESTIONS MR. CHAIR.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
I THINK YOU DID REMARKABLE WORK AND, UH, REMEDYING A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES ON THE COTTAGE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'LL, UM, IT, IT, IT LEAVES INTACT THE SERVANT'S QUARTERS, SO IT'S LEGIBLE AND IT REMAINS A HISTORIC PART OF THE STORY OF THE PROPERTY.
IT DOESN'T, UH, CLUTTER IT, UM, TO THE NATATORIUM.
THE NATATORIUM IS A BUILDING FOR A SWIMMING POOL.
UM, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE LARGE DOORS AS, AS LOVELY AND AS SEXY AS THEY ARE AND, AND FABULOUS.
I, I REALLY WONDER IF WE BEGIN TO HAVE A, A STRUCTURE THAT'S MORE LIKE A PERGOLA OR A GAZEBO OR, OR A COVERING.
IT'S NO LONGER A BUILDING WHEN IT WAS BUILT TO HOUSE THE SWIMMING.
IT WAS MEANT TO BE, UM, PROTECTING YOU FROM THE OUTSIDE, RIGHT.
UM, FOR WINTER SWIMMING ALL SEASONS.
AND, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I TOTALLY ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR INTEREST AND THE APPLICANT'S INTEREST IN MAKING IT UPDATED, MODERN, BEAUTIFUL, WELCOMING, AND WELL LIT.
AND I THINK YOU'LL GET, I, I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK YOU'LL GET A LOT OF MILEAGE ON PUTTING IN YOUR SKYLIGHTS AND KEY LOCATIONS.
I THINK YOU'LL GET THE KIND OF FLOOD OF EVEN LIGHT THAT MAKES IT, UM, STILL A NATATORIUM MAINTAINS ITS CHARACTER AS A VERY UNIQUE STRUCTURE, VERY UNIQUE STRUCTURE OF THE TIME.
AND ESPECIALLY IN SAN ANTONIO.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FIRST DECADE, SECOND DECADE NATATORIUM WE HAVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
I DON'T THINK THERE ARE A LOT.
SO I THINK WITH CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF YOUR SKYLIGHTS AND OF THOSE DOORS, THE LIGHTING AND THE OPEN FEEL CAN BE REALLY, UH, CREATED.
YOU CAN CREATE THAT AND I THINK IT COULD BE QUITE NICE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, OPENING EVERYTHING.
UM, SO I JUST, I'M MAKING MY MOTION BASED ON THAT.
PRIMARILY THE CHARACTER OF THIS VERY UNIQUE, UM, BUILDING TYPE.
COMMISSIONER RAVI, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENT, SIR.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NOTHING RIGHT NOW, SIR.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I WILL SUPPORT, I, I, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB REALLY EXPLAINING THE PROJECT TO US TODAY.
UM, IF YOU CAN GO TO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, I THINK IT MIGHT BE SLIDE 14, SO MAYBE YEAH.
SO LIKE, THIS PICTURE TELLS US A LOT, RIGHT? THAT IS, I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT LIKE, WOW, THIS PLACE IS GONNA LOOK AMAZING.
HOW MUCH OF THOSE ARCHES ABOVE THE WINDOW, LIKE INSIDE IS PRESERVED OF THE TILES? UH, EVERY, LIKE, EVERYTHING IS THERE.
SO, UM, BUT YOU ARE GONNA KEEP IT, LIKE YOU'RE GONNA EXPOSE IT? YES.
WE'RE THE PLAN HERE IS TO EXPOSE ALL THE BRICK, UM, ALL THE GLAZED BRICK AND THERE'S A, THE PRE OKAY.
AND THEN MAYBE JUST TO SEE IF MAYBE SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE OPEN TO A COMPROMISE IS, UM, I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOORS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GIVING VISIBILITY TO THAT INSIDE THAT I THINK IS EVEN MORE PRECIOUS TO THIS AUDITORIUM ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO IF, IF WE GO BACK TO SLIDE WHERE THE, WHERE THE DOORS ARE, LIKE THE OPEN DOORS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, TO SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M COMING UP WITH AN IDEA AND MAYBE SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS IN A DRC IS, UH, SO YOU HAVE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SIDE FACING, LIKE WHERE YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, YOU'RE KEEPING ALL THOSE, WOULD YOU THEN BE OPEN TO SAYING INSTEAD OF DOING TWO GARAGE DOORS, YOU DO TWO AND THEN LEAVE ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS SO THAT IF WE GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE, YOU SEE YOU HAVE A WINDOW,
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TWO WINDOWS AND A WINDOW THAT'S LIKE AT THE END OF THAT AUDITORIUM.LIKE THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF IT.
IS THAT AN OPTION OR, AND I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS TODAY, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, TIMES HAVE CHANGED, IT'S WARMER OUTSIDE AND MAKES IT MORE, I MEAN, I THINK YOU'LL ALSO BE USING IT AND I HATE TO SEE, SEE A PLACE THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING THESE GARAGE DOORS, WHICH ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, IT'S MORE ON THE INSIDE, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZING THAT AMOUNT OF IMPACT OF THE HISTORY OF THAT PART OF THE AUDITORIUM.
BUT AGAIN, MODERNIZING IT TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, USABLE FOR YOU GUYS.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROPERTY ALSO MOVES FORWARD AND ACTUALLY BEING USED.
UM, IS THAT SOME, WOULD SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANNA BE OPEN TO THAT IDEA? OKAY.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS, UM, I THINK IF I WERE TO OPEN THAT UP, I THINK OPENING UP THE MIDDLE ONE IS PROBABLY THE, THE MOST EFFECTIVE FOR BRINGING IN LIGHT AND VIEWS AND, UH, MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE ENCLOSURE OF THE BUILDING.
SOMETHING TO, THERE'S SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.
WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PLAYED WITH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS.
UH, I HAVE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.
SO LEMME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE BECAUSE LIKE NOW WE'RE IN DISCUSSION.
SO HOW ABOUT MY COMMISSIONERS? BECAUSE I THINK, THINK WE SHOULD BE DESIGNING AND I DON'T THINK A DECISION SHOULD BE MADE BY THE APPLICANT REPRESENTING HAS TO BE, GO BACK TO THE OWNER.
SO, UM, CAN I DO AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION AND ACCEPT ITEM? UM, SORRY, ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND THEN MOVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE AND RECOMMENDED THE RC.
IS THERE A SECOND? IS THAT, UH, I, I'LL SECOND IF THAT'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED.
YEAH, SO I THINK THAT I DON'T WANT A DECISION TO BE MADE BY EITHER THE, UH, APPLICANT REPRESENTING THE OWNER OR US.
I THINK THIS REQUIRES, I MEAN EITHER WE DO A DRC AND KIND OF TALK ABOUT IT OR WE GO ASIDE.
I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO A COMPROMISE KIND OF, AND THE APPLICANT GIVING THEM AN OPTION TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT GO ALL THE WAY AND CHANGING THAT WHOLE FACADE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT MOTION.
UM, SO DID, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU WHEN WITH THAT, UM, CHANGING THE MOTION, UM, AND THE SECOND, SO YOU'VE UM, HAVE YOU PRETTY MUCH LAID OUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANTED LAY OUT THERE? 'CAUSE I'M GONNA GIVE A, A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU WERE CLEAR.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? SURE.
UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M WONDERING AS WELL THAT, UM, IF, AND I BELIEVE A DS A DRC IS THE, THE RIGHT MOVE HERE.
UM, I'M HOPING THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF A COMPROMISE.
UM, AND I I DO RESPECT, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE THE ONLY NATATORIUM, UM, FROM THAT TIME PERIOD, THE ONLY EXAMPLE.
AND SO DEFAULT ME WANTS TO NOT TOUCH IT.
AND THEN I ALSO WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF WHAT TIME IT IS, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DAY WE LIVE IN NOW AND, AND HOW DO WE USE IT.
SO, UM, I, I'D BE WILLING TO GO TO A DRC AND, AND LOOK AND HELP BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE WOULD WANT THE STRUCTURE TO BE UTILIZED TO HIGHEST AND BEST USE AND, UH, AND SO I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO COMPLETELY BLOW IT OUT OF THE WATER, UM, AND, AND FLAT OUT DENY WITHOUT AT LEAST PUTTING EYES ON IT FOR ME.
UM, COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO, NO COMMENTS.
I'LL GO ONE MORE ROUND JUST TO MAKE SURE SINCE WE'RE AT, UM, TO THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
UM, COMMISSIONER MOOKA, ANYTHING TO ADD, SIR? NO, I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT STANDS.
UH, IS THIS SANITARIUM VISIBLE FROM THE STREET? NO, SIR.
VERY, VERY LIMITED VISIBILITY.
THOSE ARE THE IMAGES THAT I PROVIDED, WHICH I TOOK, UM, A FEW HOURS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.
UM, SHOWCASE THE CURRENT STA UH, STAGE, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU HERE.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING HERE AT THE IMAGE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE FRONT MAIN, MAIN RESIDENCE AND THEN, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE I PROVIDED A FEW FROM THE STREET.
UM, THERE IS A, THAT'S ME STANDING AT THE STREET LEVEL, UM, THERE AND THE NATATORIUM IS BEYOND AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY.
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YOU SIR.UM, COMMISSIONER GUDA, FINAL GIDA FINAL COMMENTS?
UM, MY ONLY, UH, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER TSO'S QUESTION.
IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE STREET FOR A NUMBER OF YARDS, YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING FROM THE, FROM JOHNSON STREET.
UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION? MAMON AYE.
NOW WE NEED TO HAVE A, UM, VOTE ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED.
DO YOU MIND CLARIFYING EXACTLY WHAT JUST HAPPENED? SO THERE WAS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
SO, SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SUBPOENA PROPOSED, UM, WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT AND THEN SO WHEN IT GOT TO COMMISSIONER GROUP, SHE OFFERED A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UM, BASICALLY, UM, ADDING THE, TRYING TO KEEP SOME OF THE, THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERISTICS AND ALSO ADDING THE, UM, THE DRC FOR THAT.
SO THEREFORE ONCE THAT HAPPENS, THEN YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ROUND OF GOING AROUND FOR THE COMMISSIONER.
SO THEN WE VOTED ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION.
UM, AND SO, UM, COMMISSION APPROVED THAT AND THEN WE HAD TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO VOTE ON IT AS AMENDED.
SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THERE, SIR.
UH, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE ASK STAFF TO, UH, UH, REPEAT REITERATE WHAT THAT FULL MOTION IS? YES.
UH, SO AS CAITLYN JUMP IN IF YOU NEED TO.
SO AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, UH, APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ESSENTIALLY REFERRING ITEM NUMBER TWO TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, THAT'LL BE SCHEDULED FOR MOST LIKELY NEXT TUESDAY.
UH, AND, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW FAST YOU WANNA MOVE, WE COULD WORK TO GET YOU BACK HERE ON OCTOBER THE SEVENTH.
I LOOK FORWARD FOR THE, UH, TO THE DRC.
UH, THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.