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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2026.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? DAVIS GARCIA.
THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JASON VASQUEZ, ACTING CHAIR JUANITA SEPULVEDA AS THE CHAIR.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY I ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR ORDER POST TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES ANNOUNCEMENTS.
VERY HAPPY FRIDAY TO ALL OF YOU.
NO NEW STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, TODAY.
UM, A VERY BIG THANK YOU TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ATTENDED THE HOME REPAIR FAIR LAST WEEK.
[ Approval of minutes for the CTAB meeting of August 21, 2026. ]
WE'LL LOOK TO YOU TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST HEARING ON AUGUST 21ST.CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
WE FIRST NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, HEARING.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST, WHAT WAS IT, AUGUST 21ST? AUGUST 21ST MEETING.
I MOTION A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES.
AND IF YOU WILL NOW DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS SCREEN.
UH, WE DO HAVE A SHORT AGENDA THIS
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
MORNING FOR YOU.WE'VE GOT TWO ITEMS ON CONSENT AND THEN TWO ITEMS ON THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA AS ITEM NUMBER FOUR HAS POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO PULL ANY ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA ONLINE
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IN PERSON? NOPE.CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, UH, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, CONSENT ON THE CONSENT, UH, THE CONSENT, UH, UH, UH, AGENDA AND WITH WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
COMMISSIONER SPILLER, IF, IF YOU WANNA CLARIFY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, UH, IN REFERENCE TO, UH, TWO 14 MUNCIE AND 5 34 LEHIGH WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND, AND, AND THE MOTION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? I SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GARCIA? AYE.
IF YOUR ADDRESS IS TWO 14 MUNCIE OR 5 34 LAY STREET, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE MAIL, UH, EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ]
OKAY.WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
UM, COMMISSIONER ARD, ARE YOU, UH, ONLINE? I, I SEE YOU'RE ONLINE.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD SEE YOU ON SCREEN.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST CASE.
SO THIS IS, UH, CTAP CASE, 2026 DASH 2 4 1 FOR 7 25 BURLESON.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE AN EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING STRIATIONS VENTED RICH CAPS AND END CAPS.
STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ROOF MATERIAL SWITCH WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE ROOF, UH, THAT THE METAL ROOF BE REPLACED WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT FEATURES PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH, OR A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH.
PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION.
RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION.
NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED.
AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS.
NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF PITCHER, ROOF FORM ARE REQUESTED OR APPROVED.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, I WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE AND WE DO HAVE ONE IN-PERSON SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, UH, FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION AT THIS POINT, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, UM, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO SPEAK HERE AND FIRST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN THROUGH THE CASE OR THROUGH THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU SAID.
I'M HERE, UM, UH, TO HELP THE FAMILY, UH, PRESS THE BUTTON ON.
I'M HERE TO HELP THE FAMILY THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
HE IS THE, UH, ROOFER THAT ACTUALLY INSTALLED IT.
UM, WE, AS HE SAID, WE HAVE A, UH, A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE ROOF WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
AS SOON AS WE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT, WE DID PULL THE PERMIT.
UM, BUT THAT IS RESULTED AS IN US BEING IN THIS LOCATION TODAY FOR THIS, UH, HEARING.
UM, WE PREPARED A PACKAGE THAT, UM, UH, DOCUMENTS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE FELT, UH, WERE RELEVANT TO THE CASE AS FAR AS, UH, PRECEDENT PERFORMANCE AND UNDUE HARDSHIP BY CHANGING OUT THE ROOF THAT HAS, HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
UM, I CAN BRIEFLY GO OVER THOSE OR, UM, IF YOU'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THE PACKAGE, THEN I PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRECEDENCE IS FOR THAT HERE.
UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, AS AS FAR AS THE PERMIT GOES, UM, WE RECOGNIZE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND, AND IT WASN'T.
LOVE TO GO BACK IN A TIME MACHINE AND FIX THAT, BUT WE CAN'T.
SO WE WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
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THE REQUESTS WE'RE REQUESTING, THE, UM, THE APPROVAL BASED ON, UH, PRECEDENTS, PRECEDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS, BOTH STRIATED ON STRIATED WITH END CAPS IN THERE.WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME PHOTOGRAPHIC DOCUMENTATION OF THAT.
WE'VE WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF THE ROOFS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, OR STANDING ROOFS.
MOST OF THEM HAVE END CAPS IN THEM.
UH, HALF OF THOSE ARE STRIATED.
SO THERE IS A DEFINITE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, PRECEDENT OF THAT TYPE OF ROOF.
IT IS ALSO DIG DITY, NOT KING WILLIAMS. SO THESE HOUSES TYPICALLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD SUPER HIGH END ROOFS.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE IRRELEVANT.
I'M NOT SURE THE OTHER, UM, UM, REQUESTS THAT THE, THE CITY HAS, UH, AND THE GUIDELINES, AND WE CERTAINLY RESPECT THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE THERE, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY ARE OPEN FOR, UM, SOME, FOR SOME INTERPRETATION.
UH, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE METAL PANELS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION ARE.
THE SEAMS ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE, UM, CITY'S RECOMMENDATION ARE.
THE ONLY TWO ISSUES ARE STRIATED PANELS VERSUS AND END CAPS VERSUS FLAT PANELS AND NO END AND NO, UH, RIDGE VENTS.
UM, THERE'S TECHNICAL REASONS WHY OR STRUCTURAL REASONS WHY WE USE STRIATED PANELS NOWADAYS.
UH, THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY MUCH BETTER.
THEY'RE MORE RESISTANT TO OIL CANNING.
THEY'RE MUCH BETTER FOR LONGEVITY OF THE ROOF.
THEY PROTECT THE STRUCTURE BETTER THAN A FLAT PANEL ROOF DOES.
AND, AND, AND THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR THE RIDGE VENTS.
THEY'RE THERE FOR MOISTURE CONTROL.
THEY'RE THERE FOR, UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AIR HAWKS AND THINGS THAT ARE UGLY AND, AND, UM, UNAPPEALING ON THE ROOF.
SO THERE CERTAINLY ARE REASONS THAT WE USE THOSE THESE DAYS.
UM, THE FINAL THING IS ON HARDSHIP.
THIS ROOF HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
IT IS A HIGH PERFORMANCE, HIGH QUALITY ROOF.
UM, IF WE HAVE TO TEAR IT OFF AND REMOVE IT, IT CREATES EXCESS WASTE.
IT CREATES, UH, EXCESS COSTS AND BURDEN TO OUR CLIENTS.
SO BECAUSE OF THESE REASONS, WE REQUEST THAT, UM, WE, UH, GET ISSUED A-A-A-C-O-A FOR, FOR THE ROOF AS IS.
AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I'M NOT GREAT AT THIS AND I'M NERVOUS, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER.
UM, AND ALSO THE ES STRATA REPS, SOMETHING HE FORGOT.
IT ACTUALLY PROTECTS BETTER FOR, UH, WE, IF WE GET A HAIL STORM.
SO ACTUALLY SIR, INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD REALLY QUICK.
OH, MY, MY NAME IS MARCO PENA.
I'M THE OWNER OF PRESTIGE METAL ROOFING.
SO THE ESA PANEL ACTUALLY MAKES THE METAL STRONGER, AND IN CASE OF A HAILSTORM, IT ACTUALLY, THE HAIL WILL NOT SHOW AS A FLAT PANEL AS WELL.
SO IT GIVES IT A STRING, UM, AND IT LOOKS BETTER ON THE ROOF.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT IT.
UH, WE'LL OPEN UP THE, UM, FIRST COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR, SORRY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR, UM, OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM.
SO IF, IF THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A SEAT, WE'RE GONNA BRING, UH, UP THE, UH, SPEAKER.
SO, UM, UH, SHIELD YOUNG, UH, SAVER IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP.
SO, UM, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS DASHIA YOUNG SAVER.
I'M A HOMEOWNER IN THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M ALSO THE SON OF KAY YOUNG AND JEFF SABER, WHO OWNED THE HOME IN THIS CASE, ALSO IN THE DIGNITY HELD NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE BUSINESS OF THIS COMMISSION IS TO REGULATE HOUSING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH THAT IT DOESN'T LOSE ITS HISTORIC CHARACTER.
THIS MAKES SENSE AND IS A WORTHY THING TO DO.
BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, HOUSING AS A MARKET WITH SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND WITH REGULATIONS ON THE SUPPLY SIDE, SUCH AS THE NEED TO GET MORE PERMITS, HAVE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY, POTENTIALLY DELAY PROJECTS, IT RESTRICTS HOUSING SUPPLY, THEREBY INFLATING THE COST OF HOUSING AND MAKING OUR CITY LESS AFFORDABLE FOR US ALL.
SO IF THE COMMISSIONS WORK AS A BYPRODUCT, INFLATES THE COST OF HOUSING, IT BETTER HAVE A VERY GOOD REASON TO DO SO.
ARGUABLY IN THE CASE, THE DEVELOPERS WANTING TO RAISE WHOLE BLOCKS OF HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILD MORE MODERN HOMES THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE ANY OF THE HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, ENFORCING THESE REGULATIONS AND INFLATING THE COST OF HOUSING MIGHT MAKE SENSE.
HOWEVER, IN THE CASE OF A FAMILY
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IMPROVING THEIR HOME BY FIXING A LEAKY ROOF, BY INSTALLING A BETTER METAL ROOF, THAT ALSO MATCHES A TON OF METAL ROOFS THAT ARE ALSO STRIATED WITHIN THREE SQUARE BLOCKS OF THE SAME HOME.AND THEN BY IMPOSING PENALTIES ON THEM, INFLAMING THE COST OF HOUSING MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE.
UM, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROTECT THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT LEVIES A PUNISHMENT ON A FAMILY RATHER THAN A BIG TIME DEVELOPER.
IT MAKES IT HARDER TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT INFLATES THE COST OF HOUSING FOR US ALL.
SO I HOPE THE COMMISSION CONSIDERS THIS DURING THIS CASE TODAY.
I ALSO HAVE WITH ME THREE LETTERS FROM FELLOW NEIGHBORS THAT ARE EXPRESSING SIMILAR CONCERN ABOUT HOW THE COMMISSION HAS HANDLED THIS CASE.
UM, THEORIES ARE UNDER THE DOCUMENT CAMERA AND I PLAN TO SUBMIT THEM FOR THE RECORD AS WELL.
UH, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, TO YOU VICE CHAIR.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES HERE IN PERSON? I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ROOFING CONTRACTOR IF THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COME UP TO THE PODIUM.
WELL, UM, SO HAVE YOU DONE ANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? NO, MA'AM.
UM, MY COMPANY IS BASED ON NEW BRAUNFELS, UM, TEXAS, SO WE DO MORE THE AUSTIN AREA.
WE NEEDED TO, THERE WAS A HISTORICAL AREA, SO WHEN I WENT, I DIDN'T KNOW, UH, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT.
UH, AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
IT'S MY FIRST HOUSE THAT WE DO HERE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, BASICALLY FOR ALL RIGHT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF THE OWNER KNEW THAT THIS WAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT SUBJECT TO GUIDELINES, UM, OR IF YOU KNEW, UM, ARE YOU WITH THE ROOFING CONTRACTOR OR, I'M NOT WITH THE ROOFING CONTRACTOR.
I WAS, UM, I WAS THE CONTRACTOR, GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THE ORIGINAL.
UM, I WAS THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THE ORIGINAL REMODEL THAT THEY DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND I'M A FRIEND OF THE FAMILY NOW, AND SO THEY ASKED ME JUST TO COME TO HELP SINCE I'VE, I'M NO LONGER A CONTRACTOR WITH CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT THEY ASKED ME TO COME JUST BECAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH THE CITY BEFORE AND, AND MARCO HAS NOT.
SO WHEN YOU DID THAT REMODEL, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, DID YOU KNOW YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT? YES, WE DID GUIDE.
WE DID ALL OUR HISTORICAL, UH, GUIDELINES THEN IS SO IN THIS SITUATION, UH, WHY DID YOU NOT CHECK WHAT THE GUIDELINES WERE FOR THE, THE ROOF? I, I, WELL, I'M NOT THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THIS, THIS, THIS WAS, OKAY, SO THEY HIRED MARCO TO DO THE WORK.
UM, AND SO I I I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THIS, UH, THIS PART OF THE PROJECT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHO MIGHT HAVE KNOWN.
I WOULD THINK THE OWNER, IF THIS HAD BEEN A RENOVATION DONE A FEW YEARS AGO AND IT WAS DONE PROPERLY ACCORDING TO GUIDELINES SURE.
THAT THEY WOULD KNOW THAT THE ROOF NEEDED TO ALSO, UH, MEET THOSE GUIDELINES.
UM, AND YOU CAN ARGUE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, BUT I THINK THEIR THINKING WAS, WELL, WE'RE JUST REPLACING A ROOF.
WE'RE NOT DOING A HISTORIC RENOVATION.
AND THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T EVER CROSS THEIR MIND THAT THAT SHOULD, SHOULD BE AN ISSUE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
I'M SAYING THAT THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF IT.
THEY WEREN'T PURPOSELY TRYING TO AVOID HISTORIC 'CAUSE THE REALITY IS, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT OF A HURDLE, BUT IT'S NOT A HORRIBLE HURDLE TO GO RUN THE PROCESS THROUGH THE PERMITS AND THROUGH THE HISTORIC, IT WASN'T DONE OUT OF, UH, OUT OF MOUTH.
IT WAS DONE OUT OF JUST NOT KNOWING.
I'M JUST, YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO HAVE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ROOFER.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO REPLACE SECTIONS OF THE ROOF WITHOUT HAVING TO RIP THE WHOLE ROOF OFF? NO, MA'AM.
UH, THESE ROOFS ARE, UH, CUSTOM BUILT.
SO IT'S A MALE AND FEMALE AND IT HAS A MACHINE THAT LACKS IT TOGETHER.
SO IF YOU TAKE, YOU CANNOT TAKE ONE PER ONE PIECE AT A TIME.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE ENTIRE ROOF.
SO IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO UNDO ONE SEAM? NO.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A MACHINE THAT IS LIKE A CAN OPENER THAT CUTS THE SCENE, SO YOU CANNOT REUSE THE METAL ANYMORE OR OPEN IT.
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ANYTHING, ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE PLEASE? YEAH.SO IS THIS, MY QUESTION IS FOR THE ROOFER.
I SAID, UH, SIR, SO IF YOU WORK IN THE NEW BRAUN FLOOR IN THE CENTER, IN THE AUSTIN AREA, ARE YOU REQUIRED TO PULL PERMITS IN THOSE AREAS? YES, MA'AM.
I DO PULL PERMITS AND I'M A LICENSE.
I'M, YES MA'AM, I DO PULL PERMITS OVER THERE.
'CAUSE I'M A LICENSED OVER THERE.
NOT JUST IN SAN, IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO, SO, SO YOU'RE NOT LICENSED IN SAN ANTONIO? NO, MA'AM.
IM LICENSED IN NEW BRAUNFELS AND IN NEW BRAUNFELS AND AUSTIN, BUT NOT IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO IS THAT THE REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT HERE? WELL, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS SUPPOSED THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO.
MY QUESTION WAS, IS THAT THE REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT HERE? YES, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A LICENSE HERE.
SO IS THAT ALSO THE REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T INQUIRE ABOUT THE REGULATIONS FOR THE ROOFING HERE? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T FOLLOW WHAT IS THAT THE REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T INQUIRE ABOUT THE ROOF AND REGULATIONS FOR THE, FOR THE AREAS HERE? YES.
AND DID YOU INQUIRE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT OR DID THE OWNER EVEN NOTIFY YOU THAT IT WAS IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT? NO, UH, THE, THE OWNER DIDN'T, I MEAN, I DIDN'T TALK TO THE OWNER.
UM, I TALKED MORE TO KURT ABOUT IT.
AND, AND HE DIDN'T NOTIFY YOU THAT THAT WAS A HISTORICAL DISTRICT? UM, I, I, I NOTIFIED HIM THAT HE NEEDED TO PULL A PERMIT, BUT MY QUESTION WAS I DID NOT, WAS NOTIFY, I DID NOT NOTIFY HIM THAT IT WAS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND I ACTUALLY WAS, UH, NOT AWARE THAT FOR A REROOF WE HAD TO GO THROUGH HISTORIC.
BUT DID YOU NOTIFY HIM THAT HE WAS IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT? I DID NOT NOTIFY HIM THAT HE WAS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT YOU DID INFORM HIM THAT HE NEEDED TO PULL A A, A PERMIT.
AND A PERMIT WAS NOT PULLED, JUST CONFIRMATION.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ONLINE PLEASE.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
AND COMMISSIONER FOLIC, UH, THANK YOU, UH, VICE CHAIR.
I WAS JUST, UH, CHECKING TO SEE IF WE HAD ANY COMMENT FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT I MISSED.
NO COMMISSIONER, NO LETTERS WERE SUBMITTED FROM THE DEITY HILL ASSOCIATION.
ANYTHING FURTHER? IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ME AS THE OWNER TO SPEAK? YES, GO AHEAD.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO FIRST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
I AM KAY YOUNG, UM, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE, AND I, I TRULY, HONESTLY HAD HAD NO IDEA, UM, THAT REROOFING WOULD REQUIRE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, CERTIFICATION.
THE ROOF WAS LEAKING AND I WANTED TO STOP THE LEAK.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ACTED QUICKLY TO, UH, HIRE BY RECOMMENDATION, A WONDERFUL ROOFER TO DO THIS.
AND I, UH, WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMITTEE.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WAS OUR MISTAKE, UM, AND I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO PAY A FINE, BUT IT TRULY WAS DONE OUT OF IGNORANCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE, THE PICTURES THAT WERE SUBMITTED BEFORE AND AFTER IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS HOUSE WAS AND WHAT MADE IT, WE HAVE
UM, THE RENOVATION WAS COMPLETE, UM, THOROUGH.
UM, I, OUR, OUR GOAL WAS TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS 1915 SOUTH, AND I WOULD HAPPILY INVITE YOU ALL TO THE HOUSE TO SEE IT.
IT, IT'S SORT OF MY INSPIRATION, ACTUALLY, THE HOUSES IN KING WILLIAM AND SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS I WANTED TO TRY TO RENOVATE IT TO, TO MATCH WHAT I WAS SEEING.
I DID RESEARCH ON THE ARTS AND CRAFTS MOVEMENT, AND WE HAVE SPENT ACTUALLY MORE THAN OUR LEGISLATIONS ON THIS HOUSE.
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YOU ALL IS TO PLEASE LET US LEAVE THE ROOF AS IT IS.I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT KURT HAS SUBMITTED AND MY OWN RESEARCH NOW ON METAL ROOFS, THAT, THAT, IN TERMS OF THE WEATHER CURRENTLY IN TEXAS, THIS IS THE BEST KIND OF ROOFING TO USE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE HAIL.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THIS PAST SEASON, WE, UM, THE RAIN WAS PRETTY TORRENTIAL.
AND, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, I, I NEEDED TO STOP THE LEAKING.
WE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS RUINING THE KITCHEN, AND SO WE ACTED QUICKLY AND, UM, IT FALLS ON ME TO SAY, I, I TRULY DID NOT KNOW THAT A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE CERTIFICATION WAS NEEDED TO REROOF.
AND, UM, AS I, YOU KNOW, I WILL PAY A FINE, BUT I AM ASKING FOR YOUR MERCY ON THIS, BECAUSE HONESTLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
WE, WE'VE JUST SPENT $31,000 TO MAKE THIS BEAUTIFUL ROOF.
I FEEL CONFIDENT NOW THAT ALL THE WORK WE PUT INTO MAKING OUR HOME WHAT IT IS NOW FOR US AND TRULY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, 'CAUSE MANY, IT'S BECOME A PLACE BECAUSE WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE TO BE NEXT TO OUR SON.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE ALL OF HIS FRIENDS GATHER.
IT'S, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I DUNNO WHAT TO SAY OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I I, PLEASE DON'T MAKE US TEAR DOWN THIS ROOF.
WE, I, LIKE I SAID, I WILL PAY A FINE TO, UM, TO MAKE THIS RIGHT WITH YOU ALL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE LEARNED OUR LESSON NOW ABOUT THIS, BUT HONESTLY, IF YOU WANNA COME SEE THE HOUSE, YOU'LL SEE JUST HOW HISTORICALLY ACCURATE IT'S, SO THANK YOU.
UM, BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I THINK THE HOMEOWNERS KNEW, UH, THE FOLKS IN FRONT OF ME KNEW, UH, FROM WHAT THE CHAIR ASKED.
UH, PEOPLE KNEW THIS WAS HISTORIC, AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, UM, STAFF, IS IT TRUE THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY PULLED PERMITS FOR OTHER WORK? WE'D, WE'D HAVE TO CHECK OUR RECORDS, SIR.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE, OF COURSE, ARE PUBLIC RECORDS, SO WE'D HAVE TO CHECK WHAT COAS WE HAVE ON FILE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SINCE, OF COURSE, WE ONLY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, ANY INTERIOR WORK THAT THEY WOULD'VE DONE, UM, AGAIN, THOSE STILL REQUIRE CITY PERMITS, UM, WHICH ALWAYS COME TO US REGARDLESS OF THE SCOPE OF WORK.
BUT ANY INTERIOR PERMIT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PULLED, UH, WE WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD'VE APPROVED IT WITHOUT ISSUE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INVOLVED.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN A, A PERMIT, UH, IS, UH, PULLED WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, IF THE PROPERTY IS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEN OF COURSE, UM, THAT COMES TO US AS WELL.
RIGHT? SO IF, UH, AN APPLICANT HADN'T PUT IN AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THEN WHEN A ROOFING PERMIT IS, UH, APPLIED FOR, UH, THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THEN THAT'S WHEN, UH, WE, AGAIN, WE HAVE KIND OF THE BACKEND ABILITY TO NOTIFY THE APPLICANT OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO PULL A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, BEFORE THE ROOFING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
SO, AGAIN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE OF OF PREVIOUS APPROVALS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH THIS ONE, WE DIDN'T GET A PERMIT OR A COA, SO WOULD YOU MIND PULLING THIS UP ON GOOGLE EARTH SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN DIG CHAIR? ONE MOMENT.
MADAM CHAIR, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST LOOKING SOMETHING UP FOR ME.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GET, DO YOU WANT THE SATELLITE VIEW OR, RIGHT.
AND CAN YOU SHOW WHERE THE PERIMETER IS OF THE DIGNITY AREA? WE CAN, ONE SECOND.
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I SEE BURLESON.UM, BURLESON IS IN THE HEART OF DIG WITTY HILL.
UH, I DON'T, I THINK THERE'S MANY THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH BURLESON, UM, THAT DEFINE DIGNITY.
WHITTY HILL, UM, AGAIN, JUST THE HOUSE ALONE, THAT STREET, WHICH IS, UH, VERY WELL KNOWN WITHIN DIGNITY, WHITTY HILL, AND THEN JUST THE ROOF BEING A CHARACTER DEFINING BEECHER IS WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS.
AND, UM, YOU DIDN'T PULL PERMITS.
I, I THINK, I BELIEVE THERE'S SIGNAGE ALL AROUND THE I HISTORIC DISTRICT THERE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD MISS IT.
AND, UM, THERE TRULY IS NO EXCUSE.
UM, SO I'LL BE ASKING FOR A MOTION HERE IN A MOMENT.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S ANY COMMENTS OR, UM, ANYTHING ELSE COMMISSIONERS HAD ONLINE, ARE THERE FURTHER COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANY AT THIS TIME.
I, I, I, I TRULY HEAR THE CHALLENGE OF THE HARDSHIP.
UM, UH, I WOULD, UM, SECOND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID THOUGH, MR. VICE CHAIR, UM, REGARDING, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE SPECIFICALLY TASKED AS THE COMPLIANCE AND AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD TO, TO WEIGH THESE THINGS VERY CAREFULLY BASED ON THE GUIDELINES THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHEN, WHEN BY THAT WERE ESTABLISHED ONCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BECAME PART OF AN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT, UH, MAYBE NOT THE CONSOLATION, BUT, UM, UM, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE YEARS OF THE APPLICANTS, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT WE REGULARLY HAVE, UH, SEVERAL CASES SIMILAR TO THIS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, AND WE, UM, HAVE TO, UH, LEAN ON THE SIDE OF, OF COMPLIANCE, UM, BECAUSE AS, AS A REGULATORY, UH, AUTHORITY, WE DO HAVE TO BE AWARE THAT IF WE, IF WE CONTINUE TO, TO FLOUT THE RULES, THEN WE BECOME ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS IN OUR DESIGNATIONS.
UM, UH, AGAIN, UH, MY, MY SYMPATHIES TO THE APPLICANTS, BUT, UH, THE SIGNAGE ON THE STREET SIGNS SHOWS UP ON GOOGLE MAPS, UH, IN JANUARY, 2026 AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I APPRECIATE THAT THE CONTRACTORS FROM OUTSIDE, BUT NEW BRAUNFELS AND AUSTIN CERTAINLY HAVE PLENTY OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UM, WHICH I BELIEVE HAVE SIMILAR, UH, REGULATORY PROCESSES.
AND HAD THE PERMIT BEEN PIL, UH, PULLED FOR THE, FOR THE ROOF, THEN THAT THIS WOULD'VE BEEN FLAGGED, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE, UH, INTERVENED EARLY.
UH, MY, MY SYMPATHIES, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
I'M SORRY, I, I MISSED YOUR, YOUR PREVIOUS, UH, THANK YOU.
NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE THE FACT THAT I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THE ROOFER DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, BUT IT DOES LOOK FOR, HOWEVER, WE HAVE WONDERFUL ROOFERS HERE WITHIN THE CITY WHO ARE AWARE OF THE HISTORICAL DISTRICTS ARE QUITE QUALIFIED AND ARE ACTUALLY CERTIFIED WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
WOULD'VE BEEN AWARE OF PULLING PERMITS AND REGULATIONS, WHICH IS ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS.
AND WE ARE REQUIRED BY OUR CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE ENFORCED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND THE HISTORICAL, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE THAT ARE ALREADY SET UP WITHIN EACH COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OUR STAFF AT THE TIME TO GO OUT AND ENFORCE REGULATIONS THAT EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER IS MADE AWARE OF.
I MEAN, IT WAS MADE, MADE AWARE THAT THIS ROOFER WAS INFORMED AND WAS STILL NOT, UM, KNOWINGLY DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH, WHICH IS A CONCERN FOR ME THAT UNFORTUNATELY A COMMUNITY MEMBER IS NOW BEING, YOU KNOW, HELD TO THAT STANDARD.
SO, I MEAN, I VALUE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, AND I VALUE THE FACT THAT THE STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE COMMUNITY INFORMED AND CONSTANTLY PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY FAIRS TO EDUCATE
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THE MEMBERS.SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND WITH THAT.
ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS? NO, I'LL JUST SAY THE BOTTOM LINE IS ACCOUNTABILITY.
UM, AGAIN, WE ARE CHARGED HERE WITH, UH, MAKING THE TOUGH CALLS OF HELPING OUR CITY ABIDE BY, UM, THE GUIDELINES SET BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND OUR REPRESENTATIVES WHO APPOINT US.
UH, WE ARE CHARGED WITH PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE ARE CHARGED WITH KEEPING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UM, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN MAKING DECISIONS.
SO I'LL BE ASKING FOR A ROLL CALL HERE.
UH, OR SORRY, A MOTION? UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? CAN I ASK A QUESTION OR IS IT NOT? I'M SORRY.
WE'RE ALREADY MOVING TO THE MOTION.
GO AHEAD WITH THE MOTION PLEASE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THEIR STIPULATION.
CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GARCIA? AYE.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON NEXT STEPS.
THEY WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE NEXT, UM, STEPS ON MOVING FORWARD.
CT A P CASE NUMBER, UM, SORRY.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UH, CTAP, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 23 5 3 0 7 MISSION STREET.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO, ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH RAILING, AND TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH WOOD STEPS WITH CONCRETE STEPS.
UH, ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PORCH RAILING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE FRONT PORCH RAILING FEATURE BOTH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL WITH THE BOTTOM RAIL TO FEATURE A VERTICAL ORIENTATION.
AND B, INSTALLED APPROXIMATELY THREE TO FOUR INCHES ABOVE THE PORCH DECKING.
BOTH TOP AND BOTTOM RAILS MUST BE CONSTRUCTED FROM TWO BY FOUR MEMBERS.
THE PROPOSED RAILING SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF MORE THAN THREE FEET, AND BALLISTERS MUST BE SQUARE AND NOT EXCEED TWO BY TWO INCHES IN SIZE.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MAY PROVIDE STAFF AN ALTERNATIVE FRONT PORCH RAILING DESIGN BASED ON A HISTORIC RAILING EXAMPLE FOUND WITHIN THE NEARBY AREA ON A FOLK VICTORIAN STRUCTURE.
ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH STEP REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A AND E AS SUBMITTED.
UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, UM, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY AS FINDING C NOTES.
UH, THIS CAME TO STAFF AS A VIOLATION CASE ON JUNE 29TH, 2026.
OHP STAFF RECEIVED A 3 1 1 REPORT NOTING WORK OCCURRING AT 3 0 7 MISSION STREET WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
OHP STAFF REACHED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON JULY 2ND, 2026, TO ISSUE A STOP WORK ORDER AND NOTIFIED THEM AT THE COA PROCESS.
THE APPLICANT THEN SUBMITTED A COA REQUEST ON AUGUST 10TH, 2026.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, PAULETTE, IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, PAULETTE, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, 12 MINUTES TO DISCUSS THE CASE.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME, I'LL BE SHOWING, UM, THE EXHIBIT FILE.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU WANT ME TO PULL UP, I CAN DO SO.
AND ALSO TOO, UH, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, AND THEN, UM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
MY NAME IS PAULETTE JAMAL, AND, UM, I AM THE MOTHER OF THE HOMEOWNER.
SHE IS, SHE STARTED RENOVATING THIS WHEN SHE WAS ABOUT 27 YEARS OLD.
WE HIRED A PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECT, ADAPT TO HANDLE THE CASE AND HANDLE ALL THE PERMITS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MISCOMMUNICATION ON WHAT WAS APPROVED AND WHAT WAS NOT APPROVED AND INCLUDED FROM THE BEGINNING, SHE HAD REQUESTED THE FRONT DOOR TO HAVE THE SAME DETAIL SIGN AS THE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE OF COURSE, HISTORIC.
WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT
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AT THE SAME TIME THE RAILING WAS INCLUDED IN THAT IT WAS NOT.UM, WE CAME TO LEARN AND OUR CHOICE BASICALLY WAS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE WITHOUT A RAILING BASED ON THE FACT THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
AND IT WAS THROWN AWAY WITHOUT US KNOWING.
I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS A HISTORIC, UM, RAILING IN PLACE.
I JUST LEARNED LAST NIGHT WHEN I SAW, UM, THE EMAIL THAT, IN FACT THAT WAS INSTALLED IN 2016, WAS REALLY NOT INSTALLED TO, UH, TO CODE.
AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE RAILING WAS VERY SEPARATE, UM, FOR CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
WE WOULD'VE PUT IT BACK IF IT WAS THERE, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE GOT A LETTER FROM, UM, THE INSURANCE COMPANY SAYING THAT IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE IN PLACE.
AND, UM, WE KINDA SCRAMBLED TO REPLACE IT TO COMPLY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WERE GONNA BE DROPPED.
I OWN A HISTORIC HOME IN, UH, DENVER HEIGHTS.
I AM AWARE THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE RULES.
I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH RACHEL RATTA, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PLEASURE DEAL WITH HISTORIC.
AND, UM, IN THIS CASE, IT WAS JUST BASICALLY SCRAMBLING FOR A TIME TO COMPLY WITH THE INSURANCE AND THE FACT THAT FRANCESCA'S FATHER AND I ARE DIVORCED, AND HE BASICALLY SAID, PUT THE RAILING UP.
AND, UM, HE WAS THE ONE THAT DEALT WITH ADAPT.
SO I WAS COMFORTABLE IN THINKING, OKAY, WELL, IF HE DEALT WITH ADAPT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF, UM, WHAT WAS AGREED AND WHAT HAVE YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY DAUGHTER HAD REQUESTED.
UH, WE DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSTANTLY TRYING TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS ARE DOING, WHAT THE OTHER HISTORIC HOMES LOOK LIKE.
PEOPLE USE METAL, PEOPLE USE ALL SORTS OF, UH, MATERIALS THAT, OF COURSE I DON'T DEEM, UH, A GOOD MATCH FOR A HISTORIC HOME.
SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS BASICALLY JUST HAVE THE WOOD TO COMPLY AND BASICALLY THE DESIGN AND NOT TO OBSTRUCT THE VIEWS OF THE PORCH.
WE LIKE TO DECORATE THE PORCHES AND BASICALLY, UH, UM, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T OBSTRUCT THE HOUSE, THE VIEW AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THE DIAMONDS, OF COURSE, WERE A PRETTY FEATURE THAT WE BORROWED FROM THE, FROM THE WINDOWS.
AND, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WHERE WE'RE AT.
I JUST HEARD WHAT, UH, THE OTHER PEOPLE WENT THROUGH.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS SEEMS LIKE A MINOR, MINOR ISSUE, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE GUIDELINES AND THE COAS AND EVERYTHING.
SO LET ME KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, BRIAN? YES, I'M SORRY.
I, I, UM, I'M GLAD THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED THIS.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY TOO, UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT THIS PROPERTY HISTORICALLY DID NOT HAVE ANY RAILING CONDITION.
UM, OHP STAFF IS, UM, YOU KNOW, SYMPATHETIC TO, UH, INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO THIS IS NOT A UNCOMMON REQUEST FOR THESE TYPES OF PROPERTIES TO HAVE A REQUEST TO INSTALL SOME TYPE OF PORCH RAILING.
UM, THE RAILING ON SCREEN NOW, UM, THIS WAS THE RAILING THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO 2016.
UM, THIS RAILING IS, UM, I'M COMFORTABLE TO SAY IS, IS PRETTY CLOSE, IF NOT SPOT ON TO WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TODAY.
UM, THE RAILING WAS APPROVED FOR REPLACEMENT IN 2016.
WITH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN NOW.
UM, BASED ON GUIDELINES AND POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, ADOPTED IN 2022, THIS PARTICULAR RAILING DESIGN, UH, WOULD NOT, UM, IT WOULD NEED TO COME TO THIS COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF MORE OF THE BACKGROUND.
AND YOU DID SAY RIGHT NOW THAT THIS, IN THIS PHOTO, UH, HAD THIS BEEN REPLICATED, IT WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN COME UP, RIGHT? LIKE IF THE, UM, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE REQUESTS DATING FROM 2022 THROUGH APPROXIMATELY FEBRUARY OF 2024, WITH A BUNCH OF REPAIR WORK TO INCLUDE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.
THE DRAWINGS SUBMITTED SHOWED NO RAILING, UM, WHICH AGAIN, STAFF WOULD'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF.
BUT AGAIN, UH, INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS USUALLY DICTATE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME TYPE OF PORCH RAILING, UM, PAST A CERTAIN HEIGHT ON THE FRONT PORCH.
AND SO STAFF, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF, UH, WOULD BE OKAY WITH APPROVING WHAT
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OUR RECOMMENDATION IS HERE TODAY, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON SCREEN HERE WITH THE, UH, TWO BY FOUR RAILING AND SUCH.UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES HERE IN PERSON? UM, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE INSURANCE, MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE PORCH IS TALLER THAN 36 INCHES AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING REQUIRED.
BUT HAVING SUCH BIG OPENINGS IN BETWEEN THE XS WOULD STILL NOT COMPLY BECAUSE SOME, SOMEONE CAN STILL FALL THROUGH IT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR INSURANCE HAS MENTIONED ANYTHING, BUT IN TERMS OF BILLING CODE COMPLIANCE IS STILL NOT COMPLIANT.
UM, WHILE I WAS REVIEWING THIS CASE, I LEARNED SOMETHING.
UM, THERE'S A SUBTYPE WITHIN VICTORIAN ARCHITECTURE CALLED QUEEN N FREE CLASSIC.
UM, AND THEY BASICALLY TOOK QUEEN END DETAILING, WHICH WAS VERY OVER THE TOP, VERY DECORATIVE AND MIXED IT WITH CLASSICAL ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS VERY FORMAL AND VERY, UM, SYMMETRICAL.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, YOUR DAUGHTER'S HOUSE, YOU HAVE THE QUEEN ANDY TAILING ON THE WINDOWS WITH THE DIAMOND PATTERN, BUT YOU HAVE CLASSICAL COLUMNS ON THE PORCH WITH DENTALS ABOVE IT ALONG THE FASCIA.
UM, SO THAT'S THE, THE SPECIFIC STYLE OF THIS HOUSE.
UM, I, I, I GET WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO DO WITH THE DIAMOND PATTERN ON THE RAILING TO MATCH THE DIAMOND PATTERN ON THE WINDOWS.
UM, BUT I, I AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THIS IS NOT QUITE RIGHT IN TERMS OF DETAILING AND APPROPRIATENESS TO THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR INSPIRATION, THERE'S THREE VERY GOOD EXAMPLES OF IT.
AT THE CORNER OF MISSION AND STEERING, THERE'S THREE ONE STORY HOUSES THAT HAVE THESE EXACT SAME, UM, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH THE FREE CLASSIC.
AND THEY EITHER HAVE THE, THE VERTICAL PICKETS LIKE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OR THEY HAVE A TURNED BALLISTERS.
UM, SO I, I THINK JUST THE DETAILING OF IT IS NOT QUITE RIGHT.
IS THERE, UM, BECAUSE WE DROVE AROUND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF COURSE IN THE OTHER SIDE OF KING WILLIAM WHERE THE LARGER PROPERTIES ARE, WE NOTED A, A FEW OF THE HOMES HAD THIS DETAIL.
UM, IS, IS THERE A, I GUESS A REASONING BEHIND IT WHY SOME HOMES ARE ALLOWED TO, IN, IN THE, IN THE SAME VICTORIAN STYLE? 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY MY BACKGROUND IS DESIGN.
UM, I DO INTERIOR DESIGN MOSTLY, BUT OF COURSE, VISUAL IS IMPORTANT.
WE WERE BASICALLY GOING FOR, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE PLEASING, UH, TO THE EYE THAN, THAN I GUESS NOT PLEASING TO THE EYE.
AND WE NOTICED A LOT OF THE, THE HOMES THAT, NOT A LOT, BUT A FEW OF THE HOMES HAVE THE, THE RBA DESIGN ON THEIR PORCHES AND ON THEIR BALCONIES.
AND I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ALSO FELT COMFORTABLE THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE AN EYESORE.
OF COURSE, IF WE HAD INSTALLED METAL OR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T CONSIDERED A HISTORIC, UH, APPROPRIATE MATERIAL, UM, I WOULD UNDERSTAND.
UH, MY PROPERTY AT 8 2 3 DAKOTA STREET, MY INSURANCE DROPPED ME OVERNIGHT BECAUSE IT SITS HIGH UP.
AND WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH IS SOMEONE I SEE THAT A CHILD COULD DEFINITELY FALL OVER, BUT THEIR CONCERNS WITH ADULTS FALLING OVER IN THE, IN THE LIABILITY BEHIND IT.
I WAS WITH STATE FARM INSURANCE FOR CLOSE TO 30 YEARS WITH MY ALAMO HEIGHTS PROPERTY OVERNIGHT.
I GOT A LETTER SAYING, WE ARE DROPPING YOU, UH, YOUR HOME IS NOT FIT.
I WAS VERY SHOCKED BECAUSE THEY HAD INSURED ME FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND TAKEN MY MONEY.
AND WHEN I NEEDED THEM, THEY WERE NOT THERE TO BACK ME.
SO I HAD TO GO WITH A CARRIER THAT THE FORMER HOMEOWNER HAD.
'CAUSE I HAD JUST PURCHASED AND I WENT WITH ALLSTATE.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GUIDELINES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO COVER ME WITHOUT A RAILING.
UM, THE INSURANCE THAT, THAT, UM, MY DAUGHTER HAS BASICALLY IS THROUGH, THROUGH HER FATHER'S COMPANY.
AND THEY, THEY INSURED NOT JUST HER PROPERTY, BUT MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.
I DON'T BELIEVE HE LOOKED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE.
HE JUST BASICALLY WAS, WE NEED A RAILING UP BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE
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GONNA DROP THE HOUSE.AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT PROMPTED NOW, WE, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE NOT TO HAVE A RAILING AT ALL, BECAUSE THE KIND OF BANISTERS YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, WHICH ALTHOUGH THEY ARE HISTORIC, THEY KIND OF JUST GIVE A DIFFERENT FEEL TO THE, TO THE HOME.
AND, UM, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE JUST, UH, IN A STRAIGHT LINE.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT VERY APPEALING.
UM, THEY BLOCK A LOT OF THE FRONT PORCH.
I'LL LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE IF WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE PHOTOS WITH ADDRESSES OF THE HOMES IN KING WILLIAM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT, SORRY, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK OUT WITH STAFF.
IF THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF VICTORIAN HOUSES, UM, THAT HAVE AN, THAT THIS DESIGN MM-HMM
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK OUT WITH STAFF.
I JUST, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT AESTHETICS ARE SUBJECTIVE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR JOB WITH THIS BOARD IS NOT AESTHETICS.
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE COMPLIED WITH.
UM, SHE CLEARLY, SHE IS AN ARCHITECT.
AND, UM, SHE CLEARLY DID THE BACKGROUND, UH, INFORMATION AND EVEN SOUGHT OUT THE PARTICULAR STYLE OF THE HOME AND WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR IT AND WHAT ISN'T.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS DIAMOND PATTERN ISN'T, UM, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND WANTING TO REPLICATE THE DIAMONDS IN THE WINDOWS, UH, IN THE DOOR IN THE SIDELIGHTS.
BUT AS SHE MENTIONED, UM, THAT STYLE OF HOME STILL HAD THE REGULAR, UH, RAILING.
AND, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAD COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ONLINE.
NO, I, I THINK THE STAFF DID A, A GREAT JOB BECAUSE I SEE NEXT DOOR TO IT, THEY HAVE THE SAME, UH, THE SAME EXAMPLE.
UM, THE OTHER THING TOO IS I STILL SEE THE OTHER WOOD, UH, STEPS NEXT TO IT, WHICH I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD REMOVE IT.
THERE WAS CONCRETE STEPS PUT INSTEAD OF THE FOOTSTEPS THAT WERE ORIGINAL.
AND I THINK THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ALLOWANCE HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE WITH THE CONCRETE, WHICH IS VERY, UM, HAS ALREADY BEEN AS FAR AS THAT WILLING TO BE WORKED WITH.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, WITH MY COLLEAGUE THAT THE RESEARCH THAT SHE DID ONE BRAVO ON THAT, BUT AESTHETICS IS, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND AS WELL, BUT I, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, WITH THE EXAMPLE EVEN NEXT DOOR THROUGH THAT, THE CURRENT HOUSE I WAS LOOKING AT, IF YOU'LL PUT CAN, YOU CAN REFER TO THAT.
I THOUGHT NEXT, NEXT DOOR TO IT, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE.
I BELIEVE EVEN THE COLUMNS ARE CORRECT.
AND THEN EVEN, EVEN DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT, IT WAS, THERE WAS, I MEAN, I, I GET WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SEE, RIGHT THERE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BUT THE FACT THAT IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT INSURANCE AND WHY, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE REFERENCE TO THE INSURANCE.
ANYTHING ELSE? MADAM CHAIR? NO, THANK YOU.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENT? I DON'T AT THIS TIME.
UH, AGAIN, I'M GONNA LEAN ON THE EXPERTISE OF MY COLLEAGUE OVER HERE.
UH, SHE IS A HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECT AND SHE CLEARLY DID HER HOMEWORK
IF, IF THAT'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
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IF, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE WITH SOME SAMPLES OF THE BANISTERS THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, THE, UH, I SO WE, THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY COMPLY WITH WHAT'S NECESSARY.I KNOW THAT I'D RATHER HAVE NO BANISTER HONESTLY, THAN TO HAVE THOSE BANISTERS THAT EITHER OF THOSE HOMES HAVE.
WELL, YOUR INSURANCE MIGHT HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL JUST STOP THERE WITH THE COMMENTS.
AND, UM, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION, PLEASE.
I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS AS WRITTEN.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.
CAN EVERY ROLL CALL PLEASE, GARCIA? AYE REGARD? AYE.
PLEASE WORK WITH STAFF ON NEXT STEPS.