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          >> MUNGIA: GOOD MORNING. THE TIME IS 10:00 A.M., AND THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS CALLED TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. 
          >> MUNGIA: CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION CARRIES. PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? MADAM CLERK? OKAY. WE HAVE A BIG AGENDA TODAY SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM 2, WHICH IS INTERVIEWS FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, IS THERE A VERY QUICK STAFF PRESENTATION? 
          >> I'LL TRY MY BEST, CHAIR. GOOD MORNING. ASSISTANT CITY CLERK. 
          THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS A WAS CITY JUDICIAL BODY COMPOSED OF 18 MEMBERS, 11 APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, AND 7 MEMBERS ARE AT LARGE WHO SERVE AS ALTERNATES ATTENDING MEETINGS IN THE ABSOLUTELY SENSE OF A DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE. EACH MEMBER SERVES A T TWO-YEAR TERM. 
          THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK OPENED APPLI APPLICATIONS ON MARCH 3, 2025, WHICH IS 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION OF THE CURRENT TERM. 
          THE COMMUNICATIONS AND ENGAGEMENT DEPARTMENT RELEASED A WEB AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTING ON JUNE 12 OF THIS YEAR BY CLOSING DAY OF JULY 31, 2026 WE RECEIVED 13 APPLICATIONS. THE CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE VETTED 13 APPLICATIONS AND 13 WERE ELIGIBLE, THE COMMITTEE WILL INTERVIEW THOSE TODAY AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL WILL VOTE ON THE FULL BOARD APPOINTMENTS, AND ASK THEM TO COMPLETE THE PROPER FORMS AND ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE AND COMPLETE THE MUNICIPAL LEADERSHIP TRAINING, ONCE THESE STEPS ARE COMPLETED, THEY CAN BE SEATED ON THE BOARD. 
          ON THIS SLIDE IS THE LIST OF INDIVIDUALS SCHEDULED FOR INDIV INDIVIDUALS TODAY, TWO MEMBERS ARE SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE INFORMATION LISTED ON THIS SLIDE. MR. HUSSEIN IS NOT HERE, HE HAS NOT ARRIVED AND DID NOT PROVIDE A WRITTEN STATEMENT, AND MR. HOOPER WITH DREW HIS APPLICATION. THE PROCESS TODAY WILL BEGIN WITH EACH APPLICANT PROVIDING A TWO-MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT FOR ANY APPLICANTS WHO WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND, A WRITTEN STATEMENT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR PACT. 
          MR. DENNY AND GRIST ARE THE ONLY APPLICANTS WHO PROVIDED A WRITTEN STATEMENT. 
          THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW. IF THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO READ THE STATEMENT, WE'RE PREPARED TO DO SO. 
          ALL CANDIDATES WILL BE SEQUESTERED DURING THE INTERVIEWS AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER'S ANSWERS DURING THE QUESTIONS. 
          THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE WILL INTERVIEW ALL APPLICANTS AND THEN MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DELIBERATE. NO FORMAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AFTERWARDS THE COMMITTEE WILL RECONVENE AND A COMMITTEE MEMBER WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD. WE WILL -- BECAUSE THE APPLICANTS HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THEIR POLICE STATION AND THE CITY CLERK PROVIDED THAT TO US IN A TIMELY FASHION, WE'LL JUST HEAR OPENING STATEMENT, NOT DO FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, SO WE HAVE 12 APPLI APPLICANTS, SO EVERYONE CAN STAY IN THE ROOM FOR THAT PRESENTATION FOR THOSE APPLICANTS. 
          SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH A TWO-MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT, AND WE WILL START WITH MR. JOHN BO 
          BONEAS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THE CITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOME TO ME. 
          FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING ON THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER. DURING THAT TIME I'VE ATTENDED 42 MEETINGS AND MADE IT A PRIORITY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS EXPECTED OF AN ALTERNATE MEMBER. THROUGH THAT EXPERIENCE, I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A QUORUM AT EVERY ME MEETING. HAVING THE NECESSARY MEMBERS PRESENT ALLOWS THE BOARD TO CONDUCT BUSINESS, ALLOWS THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, ALLOWS US TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY BY HEARING CASES AND MAKING DECISIONS IN A TIMELY MANNER. I TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE AND REAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE DEPENDENT ON THIS PROCESS, MY PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND HAS GIVEN ME THE UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE WHEN REVIEWING THESE CASES, I'M A LICENSED 
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CONTRACTOR WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND I HAVE HANDS ON EXPERIENCE WITH CONSTRUCTION, PERMITTING, AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS AND CONTRACTORS MUST NAVIGATE. I UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY THE PURPOSE OF THE PRACTICE BUT WHAT COMES WITH IT. AS A BOARD MEMBER WE'RE NOT JUST MAKING THINGS EASIER FOR INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS BUT WE HAVE CODES AND ORDI ORDINANCES IN PLACE FOR A REASON TO PROTECT THE SAFETY, CHARACTER AND WELL BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. I GENERALLY FIND MYSELF SIDING ON THE SIDE OF THE CITY AND THE ESTABLISHED REQUIREMENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE CONSISTENCY AND ADHERENCE TO THESE STANDARDS IS IMPORTANT. AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A TRUE HARDSHIP EXISTS, WHETHER THAT BE A PER PERSON'S PHYSICAL, FINANCIAL, OR CIRCUMSTANCE, I BELIEVE THE BOARD HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO CA CAREFULLY EVALUATE MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO BRING COMMON SENSE, CONSTRUCTION EXPERIENCE, UNDERSTANDING OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND A GENERAL COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IN EVERY CASE I ATTEND. I'M PROUD TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY AND HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS AND I WOULD BE HONORED TO SERVE 
          THE BOARD. THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. NEXT WE HAVE NEELLY DAY LA CRUISE. 
          >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO MY NAME IS NEELLY DELA CRUISE, I AM MAKING MY PHONE FALL. 
          ALL RIGHT. I'VE BEEN A LICENSED REALTOR IN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AND A PRODUCT OF A GENERAL APPRAISER AS WELL, SO I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO BEING THE CHILD OF SOMEONE IN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. SO I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH PROPERTIES FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, INCLUDING SALES, CONTRACTS, PROPERTY VALUATION, APPRAISAL AND INCREASINGLY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION WHICH I'M FULLY INVOLVED IN AS WELL. I'M ALSO VERY INVOLVED IN THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP, EDUCATION, AND SERVING ON DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND BOARDS INCLUDING -- WHICH IS LOCALLY AND STATEWIDE, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC POLICY LIAISON FOR DISTRICT 6. THOSE HAVE TAUGHT ME THE IMPORTANCE OF LISTENING TO DISTRICT PERSPECTIVES, ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, AND MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME. 
          I'M SEEKING APPOINTMENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJ ADJUSTMENT BECAUSE I'VE BECOME INCREASINGLY INTERESTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH OF SAN ANTONIO AND BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND HOW ZONING AND LINE USE DECISIONS AFFECT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND OF COURSE OUR SURR SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. 
          WORKING IN REAL ESTATE, I SEE FIRSTHAND THAT WHAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND WHAT'S ALLOWED WITH ZONING REGULATIONS DO NOT ALWAYS LINE UP. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE DECISIONS CAN HAVE AN IMPACT BEYOND JUST ONE PROPERTY. I KNOW I CAN BRING A PRACTICAL REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE TO THE BOARD WHILE STILL APPROACHING EACH CASE FAIRLY, OBJECTIVELY, I WILL LISTEN TO THE APPL APPLICANT, CONSIDER THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, REVIEW THE FACTS, AND APPLICABLE STANDARDS AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S PRESENTED TO -- IN FRONT OF US. 
          FOR ME, THIS APPOINTMENT WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY WHILE CONTINUING TO CONTRIBUTE TO RESPONSIBILITY GROWTH OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'LL DO MY BEST. 
          IS UGE, MR. UGE. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU. MY NAME IS UCHE, I'M A PROFESSIONAL CITY PLANNER WITH MORE THAN THREE DECADES OF EXPERIENCE IN EVENT PL DEVELOPMENT, MANAGEMENT, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I HOLD AN MBA FROM TEXAS A&M, AND THEN I SEE OTHER PLANNING FROM THE UNIVERSITIES IN THE U.K. I'M SEEKING APPOINTMENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS BECAUSE I BELIEVE MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE CAN MAKE A USEFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE CITY AND THE BOARD'S WORK. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD'S RULE IS NOT TO MAKE A ZONING POLICY OR TO SUBSTITUTE PERSONAL PREFERENCES FOR THE CI CITY'S ADOPTED REGULATIONS, ITS RESPONSIBILITY IS TO LISTEN CAREFULLY, CONSIDER THE FACTS, MAKE FAIR, CONSISTENT, AND WELL REASONED DECISIONS WITHIN THE AUTHORITY GRANTED TO IT. 
          SO MY EXPERIENCE HAS GIVEN ME A POSITION FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, 
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THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF GOVERNMENT AND PRACTICAL REALITIES FACED BY PROPERTY OWNERS, APPLICANTS, AND COMMITTEES. I BELIEVE THE PERSPECTIVE WOULD HELP ME APPROACH EACH CASE OBJECTIVELIED AND RESPECTFULLY. 
          SO I'LL DO COMMITMENT TO DUE PROCESS TO EVERY MATTER BEFORE THE BOARD, I WILL ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT EACH APPLICANT IS TO HAVE FAIRLY, WHILE THE BROADER PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE CITIES ADOPTED FRAMEWORK MUST BE RESPECTED, AND I WILL BE HONORED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IN THAT 
          CAPACITY. THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL GO ON TO MR MR. MICHAEL FI FISHER. 
          >> MY NAME IS MIKE FISHER, AND I WAS BORN IN GAS TONE YA NORTH CAROLINA AND ENDED UP IN BUCK HAM COUNTY FOR 15 YEARS. I WAS A VOL TIER FIREMAN FOR ABOUT 7 AND WORKED WITH CONTRACTORS THERE IN BUCK HAM COUNTY FOR SEVEN YEARS DOING HIGH VOLTAGE LINEMAN. DID PLUMBING, WELDING, ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. AT FIRST, I WAS A MEMBER OF THE BUCHAM COUNTY CRIME STOPPER. 
          FOR TEN YEARS, AND I WAS THE HEAD DIRECTOR FOR FIVE EXTRA YEARS. 
          I WAS ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR THREE YEARS UNTIL WE MOVED DOWN TO HERE FIVE YEARS AGO. I BRING ALL OF MY KNOWLEDGE THAT I'VE CAME FROM WHENEVER I WAS UP IN BUCHAM COUNTY DOWN TO HERE AS A NEW FRESH START, MAYBE HAVE A SET OF NEW EYES TO LOOK AT. IF THERE'S ANY WAYS THAT I CAN HELP ANYBODY OUT, I USUALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES OF WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE WANTING. 
          WE VOTED ON A PAINT SPRAYER ONE TIME, AND WE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE BED AND BREAKFAST ZONING RULES AND REGULATIONS. AND WHEN YOU MOVED DOWN HERE, I JUST GOT INTO THE EIGHTH DISTRICT, I BELIEVE, IN LEON VALLEY, AND I JUST WANT TO BRING EVERYTHING THAT I CAN TO HELP ANYBODY OUT THAT I CAN. 
          I ALWAYS LIKE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON UP FR FRONT, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON IF IT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OR THE PERSON AND LISTEN TO WHATEVER WE NEED 
          TO DO. THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UP NEXT WE'LL HAVE MS MS. CRYSTAL DEL BOSK BOSKOMEZ. 
          >> HELLO. MY NAME IS CRYSTAL DELB DELBOSKOMEZ. 
          AND I THANK YOU ALL FOR INVITING ME HERE TO THE ZO ZONING AND VARIANCE BOARD. I'M A NATIVE HERE IN TEXAS, BORN AND RAISED. 
          I HAVE A DEGREE IN URBAN PLANNING HERE AT UTSA AND I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH JACOBS ENGINEERING AS OUR TEXAS HIGHER EDUCATION LE LEADER. 
          I ALSO LEAD A SMALL BOUTIQUE CONSULTING FIRM CALLED CRYSTAL CLEAR COMMUNITIES IN WHICH I HELP ORGANIZATIONS LEAD -- FIND BETTER OPPORTUNITIES IN SAN ANT ANTONIO, AND LEAD THEIR INITIATIVES IN SAN ANTONIO IN THE GENERAL REGION. 
          I'M INTERESTED IN JOINING THIS BOARD BECAUSE I SEE WITH MY PLANNING EXPERIENCE AND MY 12 YEARS EXPERIENCE WITH LOCAL NONPROFITS, LOCAL FOUNDATIONS, AND EVEN MY STINT AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WORKING AS AN EMPLOYEE THAT ADJUSTMENTS ON EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY CAN HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR A VARIETY OF PEOPLE, NO MATTER WHO IT IS, WHETHER IT'S THE PERSON REQUESTING THE VARIANCE OR THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR THE PERSON JUST PASSING BY, AND SO I CONSIDER MYSELF SOMEBODY WHO WILL TAKE A JUDICIAL STANCE AND VIEW AT EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY, CHECK IT OUT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, AND SEE HOW THOSE IMPLICATIONS OR THE REQUESTS ARE AFFECTING THE COMMUNITY MOSTLY AT LARGE. MY OVERALL GOAL IN THIS COMMUNITY AS A MEMBER IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WE'RE MAINTAINING A LOCAL CULTURAL IDENTITY, MAINTAINING OUR ETHICAL PRACTICES WITH ZONING ORDINANCES AND POLICIES THAT WE SET IN PLACE, AND ENSURING THAT 
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WE'RE ABIDING BY THOSE. SO THANK YOU FOR THIS INVITATION TO THIS BOARD. 
          I HOPE YOU CONSIDER ME AS PART OF THE AT-LARGE POSITION. 
          THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT FOSA HUSSEIN DID NOT COME IN AFTER ALL. OKAY. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO HAILEY NICOLES. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, MY NAME IS HAILEY NICOLE, I'M A SAN ANTONIO NATIVE, BORN AND RAISEDS I WENT TO JOHNSON HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A VERY SAN ANTONIO QUESTION, WHERE DID YOU GO TO HIGH SCHOOL. SAN ANTONIO REALLY HAS &-@H PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY, I'M VERY PROUD TO HEAR -- I LEFT FOR A FEW YEARS AND MADE THE CHOICE TO COME HOME BECAUSE THIS IS HOME AND THIS IS THE CITY I WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE MY HOME. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT M ME. 
          I ATTENDED TEXAS A&M FOR UNDERGRAD WHERE I GOT A DEGREE IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AND MINORED IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, I THEN CAME HOME AND WENT TO ST. MARY'S LAW WHERE I FOCUSED HEAVILY ON LITIGATION AND CONSTRUCTION AND CONTRACTS. 
          I LITIGATED FOR A FEW YEARS, DOING CONSTRUCTION IN REAL ESTATE DISPUTES. 
          AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR I TRANSITIONED TO BE IN- HOUSE COUNCIL FOR CONSTRUCTION COMPANY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, THAT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY HAS BEEN PART OF SAN ANTONIO FOR 18 YE YEARS, I'M PROUD TO SAY THEY'VE DONE SOME GREAT WORK, GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS, AND GREAT HOUSING PROJECTS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, SO I'M PROUD TO BE A PART OF THAT. AS I MENTIONED I'M CURRENTLY GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THEM. SO MY ROLE REALLY SITS AT THE INTERSECTION OF LAW, CONSTRUCTION, AND BUSINESS, AND I'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO SEE THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF SAN ANTONIO BOTH FROM THE I IN-HOUSE POSITION AND LITIGATING, BUT ALSO BEING A SAN ANTONIO NATIVE. I'M INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE MY BACKGROUND GIVES ME, LIKE I SAID, THAT INTERESTING COMBINATION OF ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS. SAN ANTONIO IS A CITY THAT I LOVE AND A CITY THAT'S EXPERIENCING RAPID GROWTH AND GO. RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE REALLY IN A UNIQUE POSITION TO CONTINUE TO BE A WONDERFUL CITY WITH GREAT AND DEEP HISTORICAL BACKGROUND BUT CONTINUE TO BE A CITY THAT LEADS INTO THE FUTURE, AND I WOULD LOVE TO JOIN THIS BOARD AND BE ABLE TO GIVE BACK IN THAT WAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING FAIR AND CONSISTENT APPLICATIONS OF THE  UDCS THAT APPLY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND I WANT TO CONTRIBUTE IN A ROLE WHERE I CAN EXPERIENCE AND GIVE YOU MY EXPERIENCE WHILE APPROACHING THE ZONING REGULATIONS IN A FAIR AND OBJECTIVE WAY. THANK YOU FOR YA'LL'S TIME TODAY. AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A GREAT PRIVILEGE TO GROW UP AS A SAN ANTONIOIAN AND BE IN FRONT OF YA'LL TODAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON TO -- IS IT SIRO TRIBUNE? 
          >> OKAY. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY APPLICATION TO RETURN TO THE BOARD OF ADJUS ADJUSTMENTS. 
          MY NAME IS SIERRA, AND SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN MY HOME FOR 4 P YEARS. 
          MY BACKGROUND COMBINES BUSINESS OWNERSHIP, COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, PROFESSIONAL LEADERSHIP AND PRIOR SERVICE ON THIS BOARD. I EARNED MY BACHELOR'S IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AND LEGAL STUDIES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT SAN ANTONIO. 
          MY MASTER'S IN RESEARCH AT SOME POINT, THESE STUDIES PROVIDED A FOUNDATION FOR A CAREER CENTERED ON UNDER UNDERSTANDING COMPLEX ISSUES, WORKING WITH PEOPLE AND MAKING INFORMED DECISIONS. I WORKED IN REAL ESTATE FOR 11 YEARS WITH EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPMENT AND SERVE AS A BROKER ASSOCIATE AND SENIOR TEAM LEAD. I ALSO OWNED AND OPE OPERATED A WATER TREATMENT COMPANY FOR 25 YEARS, SERVICING CUSTOMERS THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO. 
          TOGETHER, THESE EXPERIENCES HAVE GIVEN ME FIRSTHAND INSIGHT TO THE OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES FACING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY OWNERS. MY PROFESSIONAL LEADERSHIP INCLUDES SERVICE AS VICE CHAIR OF THE SAN ANTONIO BOARD OF REALTORS COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE. IN 2022, AND I CHAIRED IT IN 2023. 
          HAVING SERVED ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FROM 2018 TO 2021, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF PREPARATION, IMPARTIALITY, AND CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF EACH CASE. 
          I BELIEVE EFFECTIVE SERVICE REQUIRES LISTENING RESPECTFULLY, ASKING THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS , AND EXERCISING SOUND JUDGMENT. I STEPPED AWAY TO ATTEND FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES, AND I'M NOW READY TO DEVOTE THE TIME AND ATTENTION THIS ROLE DESERVES. I WOULD BE HONORED TO RETURN TO THE BOARD AND CONTRIBUTE MY EXPER EXPERIENCE, PERSPECTIVE, AND LONGSTANDING COM 
          COMMITMENT TO SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM MR. JESSE VASQUEZ. >> I'M JESSE VASQUEZ. 
          I'M A RETIRED NAVY HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL. I HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE DEGREE IN BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND A MAS MASTER'S IN LEADERSHIP AND 
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MANAGEMENT. I HAVE ALSO SERVED FOR 12 YEARS ON THE BEXAR COUNTY APPRAISAL REVIEW BOARD WHERE I ACQUIRED A BIG EXPOSURE TO ALL MATTER OF PROPERTIES AND ALL MANNER OF CONTRACTORS, RANCHERS, DAIRYMEN, YOU NAME IT, IT APPEARED BEFORE THE APPRAISAL REVIEW BOARD, AND THOSE PROCEEDINGS CAN BECOME VERY EMOTIONAL BECAUSE EVERY ONE, OF COURSE, IS DISA DISAGREEING WITH THE CHIEF APPRAISER ON PROPERTY VAL VALUES. AS A MEMBER OF THE APPRAISAL REVIEW BOARD, I -- NOT ONLY I, BUT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE TO REMAIN NEUTRAL AND UNEMOTIONAL, AND LISTEN TO THE PRESENTATIONS OF THE PARTIES, CONSIDER THE INFORMATION THAT IS BEING GIVEN. WE ASK RELEVANT QUESTIONS, AND WE THEN DELIBERATE AND ARRIVE AT A DETERMINATION AS TO THE VALUE, AND OF COURSE THAT IS A VERY, VERY SERIOUS RESPONSIBILITY TO EXERCISE BECAUSE YOU'RE AFFE AFFECTING PEOPLE'S WALLETS. 
          SO THESE ACTIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKEN BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WHERE, AS YOU SAW, EVEN THE PRESENTERS, THE CANDIDATES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED ARE TERRIFIC PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LOT TO CONTRIBUTE. 
          BEING A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL HAS GIVEN ME THE EXPOSURE TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE THAT ARE IN -- EITHER IN ACUTE HEALTH STATUS, THE PATIENT, THE FAMILY, THE BOSSES, ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE A VERY, VERY VESTED INTEREST IN THE OUTCOME. 
          >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. VASQUEZ, WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MUNGIA: I'LL TRY MY BEST ON THE FINAL PRESENTER TODAY. 
          IS IT SAHARA WILLIAMS? SHE DID NOT COME IN? OKAY. 
          OKAY. GREAT. ALL RIGHTY, FOLKS, WE DO HAVE TO STATE WRITTEN STATEMENTS IN OUR PAC PACKET. 
          SO FROM MR. ANTHONY GRISES AND CHAD DENNY. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SUSPEND SOME QUESTIONS SINCE THE PACKET HAD A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION, IT WAS GIVEN TO US IN A TIMELY MANNER, SO WE'LL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 10:23: 10:23:00 A.M., ON SEPTEMBER 22, 2026 CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING IS RECESSING THE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551 TO DISCUSS LEGAL MATTERS AND PURSUANT TO TEXAS CODE 551.071 IN CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY. THANK YOU. 
          IS >> MUNGIA: GOOD MORNING. THE TIME IS NOW 10:34 AND THE PLANNING AND GO. COMMITTEE WILL NOW RECONVENE IN OPEN SESSION. 
          NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. AS CHAIR I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR APPLYING AND TAKING THE TIME TO COME OUT HERE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DONATE YOUR TIME TO A VERY CAUSE IN OUR CITY WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH WE KNOW IS A TOUGH BOARD, A LOT OF DENSE INFORMATION BUT VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO CAN WE GET A MOTION AND A 
          SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPOINTMENT. >> WE MOVE THAT THE PL PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT RECOMMEND FULL CITY COUNCIL THE  AT-LARGE APPOINTMENTS TO SERVE AS ALTERNATES ON THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT BOARD THROUGH MAY 31, 2027. 
          JOB BONAES NELLY DE LA CRUZ. UCHE. CRYSTAL DELL BOUSOUKIA. 
          HAILEY NICOLES. SARAH TREVINO, AND JESSE VASQUEZ. 
          >> SECOND AYE. ALL OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM 3, PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION GOALS IN THE STRATEGIC HO HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. 
          WE CAN GET A STAFF PRESENTATION, PLEASE. >> GOOD MORNING, VERONICA 
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GARCIA, DIRECTOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS MORNING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A BRIEFING OF OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THE -- THANK YOU -- THE ENGAGEMENT WE'VE DONE TODAY, THE PROGRESS ON OUR CURRENT GO GOALS, AND CHANGES SINCE THE SHIFT WAS ADOPTED IN THE PROPOSED REVISIONS. THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMMATERIAL ELEMENTATION PLAN IS A SHARED VISION FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IN SAN ANTONIO, NOT JUST THE CITY'S PLAN BUT ALSO COCREATED AND ADOPTED BY THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST BY BEXAR COUNTY, AND BY OPPORTUNITY HOME AND THANK YOU TO MANY OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE HERE TODAY. IN ADDITION, WE SPOKE TO OVER 80 STAKEHOLDERS AND NUMEROUS COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO HELPED INFORM THE PLAN. IT DOES SEVERAL THINGS, PROVIDES DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SAN ANTONIO, OUTLINES A PLAN TO FUND THE HOUSING GOALS THAT ARE IN THERE, AND OUTLINES PRODUCTION AND PRESERVATION GOALS FOR BOTH HOME OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL HOU HOUSING, AND INCLUDES 36 STRATEGIES TO HELP US ACHIEVE BETTER HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. 
          WE AREN'T UPDATING THE FULL SHIP, BUT WITH THIS REFRESH WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING HOUSING GOALS TO BRING THEM IN LINE WITH CURRENT REA REALITIES. 
          SO WHY THE REFRESH TODAY? WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH OUR TEN-YEAR PLAN, AND IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT SHIP CONTINUES TO ALIGN WITH COMMUNITY NEEDS AND OUR AVAILABLE RESOURCES, SO OUR FOCUS IS WHAT'S ATTAINABLE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          FOR THIS ANALYSIS, WE REENGAGE DAVID SCHWARTZ WITH ECONORTHWEST. 
          DAVID HELPED US ANALYZE THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF PROGRESS, CURRENT CONDITIONS AND HELP SEE WHAT'S ATTAINABLE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WE ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, INCLUDING THE GOALS THAT WE'VE SHARED FROM THE SPECIAL HOUSING SUP PLY TASK FORCE AND OTHER CITY GOALS. 
          WE FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S MORE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY THAN WE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AT THE END OF SHIP BY PROPOSING THE NEW GOALS, WE'RE ACCESSORY KNOWLEDGING WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHAT WE EXPECT TO DO WHILE LOOKING AT ASPIRATIONAL STRETCH GOALS ALONG THE PROCESS. THIS SLIDE IS A SUMMARY ALONG THE ENGAGEMENT WE'VE BEEN DOING TO SUPPORT THE WORK OVER THE PAST YEAR. 
          IN ADDITION WE'VE COLLABORATED WITH THE HOUSING COMMISSION, OUR SHIP PARTNERS, STAKEHOLDERS, AND ALL OF THIS KICKED OFF WITH A SPECIAL HOUSING SUPPLY TASK FORCE WORK THAT STARTED A YEAR AGO. THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, WE'VE CONTINUED TO ENGAGE PRACTITIONERS AND PARTNERS, INCLUDING CITY DEPARTMENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGH A SERIES OF MEETINGS OVER THE SUMMER. 
          WHAT WE HEARD WITH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS WHICH COVERED LOTS OF TOPICS, WE TALKED ABOUT 2022 HOUSING BOND, WHAT CONTINUED NEEDS THERE WERE IN THE COMMUNITY. TALKED ABOUT GOALS, AND TALKED ABOUT OUR FEDERAL FUNDS AND HUD CONSOLIDATED PLAN. IN SUMMARY, WE HAD A SES SESSION, AND EVERY DISTRICT ALLOWED US TO ENGAGE DIRECTLY WITH RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CITY. ALL OF YOU WORKED SO CLOSELY WITH HOUSING, SO WHAT THE SUMMARY THAT'S ON THIS SLIDE IS NO SURPRISE BUT HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE FOR HOME, PRESERVATION, WE HEARD A LOT FROM PEOPLE FOR THE NEED FOR MAJOR REHAB, FULLY UPDATING MAJOR SYSTEMS AND STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS FOR HOMES, HOME OWNERSHIP CREATION, WHILE PEOPLE SUPPORTED CONTINUED BUILDING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING BELOW CURRENT MARKET RATES AND HEARD THE NEED FOR MORE DIVERSE HOUSING MODELS AND SHARED MODELS LIKE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. FOR RENTAL PRODUCTION, PEOPLE TALKED A LOT ABOUT BEING CLOSE TO TRANSIT, JO JOBS, EDUCATION, AND OTHER AMENITIES, AND WE HEARD SUPPORT FOR EXPANDING OUR DEFINITION OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING TO INCLUDE SHELTER AND OTHER OPTIONS. FOR RENTAL PRESERVATION, WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT THE NEED TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING RENTAL HOUSING STOCK IN SAN ANTONIO, AND HEARD EVERYTHING FOR VERY SIGNIFICANT AGING RENTAL HOMES, AND THE NEED TO BRING THEM UP TO CODE, MAKE THEM SAFER, AND IMPROVE LIVING CONDITIONS OVERALL. THIS SLIDE IS VERY BUSY BUT AN IN DEPTH LOOK TO PROGRESS TO DATE, OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE OR PRESERVE 20,000 HOME BUS THIS COMES FROM 14 SUB GOALS ORGANIZED BY INCOMES. AS YOU CAN SEE IN MANY CAT CATEGORIES, WE'VE MET OUR TARGET OR ARE WELL ON THE WAY TO ACHIEVING THE GOAL. FOR EXAMPLE AT THE VERY TOP, YOU HAVE RENTAL PRESERVATION AT 0 TO THEREUPON AREA MEDIAN INCOME, AND WE'VE ACHIEVED OUR INITIAL GOAL OF 
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909 HOMES AND THEN EXCEEDED IT BY AN ADDITIONAL 3,650. THOSE EXTRA HOMES CURRENTLY DON'T COUNT TOWARDS THE OFFICIAL GOAL, BUT THEY DO REPRESENT MEANINGFUL PROGRESS. IN TOTAL, WE HAVE 17,000 THOUGH 2 HOMES THAT SURPASSED INDIVIDUAL GOALS, BRINGING OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF HOMES CREATED OR OBSERVED TO MORE THAN 29,000. WE KNOW THAT EVERY HOME WE ADD HELPS MEET A COMMUNITY NEED AND GOING FORWARD, WE ARE GOING TO COUNT EVERY HOME TOWARDS OUR SHIP GOALS. 
          NOW I WANT TO INVITE DAVID SCHWARTZ, THE ECONOMIST WHO SUPPORTED OUR SHIP REFRESH EFFORT, WHO CONDUCTED A THOROUGH REVIEW OF CONDITIONS, DEVELOPED A MODEL TO REFLECT EFFORTS AND PROVIDED GUIDANCE ALONG THE WAY TO HELP SHAPE THE 
          REFRESH GOALS. DAVID. >> THANK YOU, VERONICA, AND GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK  TO YOU A LITTLE BIT. I'M JUST GOING TO SPEAK THROUGH ABOUT FOUR SLIDES AND HAND IT BACK TO VERO VERONICA, BUT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE FIRST SLIDE A BIT OF THE PROGRESS AND THE IMPACT OF THE ACH ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS. THIS GRAPHIC IS A SYMBOLIC REPRESENTATION OF TWO POINTS IN TIME USING THE SAME ANALYSIS WE DID FIVE YEARS AGO AND REPLICATING WITH THE MOST RECENT DATA AVAILABLE, AND WE LOOKED AT THE GROWTH AND POPULATION IN THE CITY OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND THAT WAS ABOUT 2.5 TIMES THE RATE OF ANTICIPATED GROWTH WHEN DOING THIS EXERCISE FIVE YEARS AGO, SO WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH AT ABOUT 30% OVER WHAT IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO, SO IS THE BURDEN OF COST BURDEN POPULATION INCREASED BY 30%. WHEN WE LOOK AT TARGET POPULATION OF THOSE WHO ARE COST BURDENERS, SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING AND THOSE WITH NO AFFORDABLE OPTION IN THEIR CENSUS TRACK, THAT GROUP OF HOUSEHOLDS HAS INCREASED BY ONLY 10%, ME MEANING THAT IT IS NOTICEABLE IN THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES THE MEANINGFUL IMPACT THAT SHIP PARTNERS AND EFFORTS HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. SO IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THERE'S MORE TO NUMBERS THAN JUST THE -- THAN IN THIS PROCESS OF REFRESHING THE SHIP. 
          I THINK THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT I WAS GIVEN AND COULD WORK THROUGH IS IN HONORING THE IMMENSE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT INFORMED THE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS OF THE S SHIP AND HONORING THE FOUNDATIONS OF HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK, WHICH I WAS ALSO HONORED TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN 2018, BUT ALSO LOOKING BACK AT THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND LEVERAGING THE PATTERNS, LEVERAGING THE COLLAB COLLABORATION, LEVERAGING THE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS, THE PROCESSES IN THE SYSTEM, AND THE LESSONS LEARNED. SO IN REVISING THE SHIP TARGETS, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE OUTCOMES OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THE CHANGES IN THE MARKET, THE REAL ESTATE MARKET SPECIFICALLY, THE ECONOMY, THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, FINANCING, WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE -- WE'VE LOOKED AT PRODUCTION LIMITATIONS FROM PRODUCERS, FOR EXAMPLE, COST IMPACTS, ADMINISTRATIVE AND FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS, WE'RE LOOKING AT -- WE'VE LOOKED AT CURRENT TRAJECTORIES, WHAT COSTS HAVE DONE, WHAT INTEREST RATES HAVE DONE, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SOURCES AND USE OF FUNDS, SO SOURCES BEING ALL OF THE CITY'S DIRECT CONTRIBUTIONS, INDIRECT PASS THROUGH CONTRIBUTIONS LIKE FEDERAL DOLLARS, AND THE USES OF THE -- THE USES OF THOSE FUNDS, RENTAL, HOME OWNERSHIP, BUY AMI THAT WERE REPRESENTED IN THE GRAPH THAT VERONICA SPOKE TO. NOW THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW IN A VARIETY OF WAYS SO WE CAN'T CONTROL FOR EVERYTHING BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WE CAN CONTROL FOR AND MAKE THE BEST ESTIMATES OF WHAT'S LIKELY TO HAPPEN OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS. BEFORE I GET INTO AND PASS IT BACK TO VERONICA, I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON TWO POINTS HERE, ONE IS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AS I ALLUDED TO IN THE LAST SLIDE, THERE HAS BEEN A MASSIVE INCREASE IN THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION, LABOR, MATERIALS, AND THE COST OF CAPITAL OR INTEREST RATES, SO IT'S IN THE NEWS, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT GENERALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT YOUR ATTENTION TO OVERALL COST PER UNIT, NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF JUST PRODUCING A SINGLE UNIT, THAT'S A WEIGHTED AVERAGE, COST PER UNIT, THAT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL OF THE SHIP EFFORTS, AND IN 2021, THAT NUMBER WAS ABOUT $155 PER UNIT, THAT HAS JUMPED 37% TO $212 FOR THE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO AN INCREASE OF PLUS OR MINUS 40% IS A SIGNIFICANT HEAD WIND AGAINST TRYING TO 
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ACHIEVE TARGETS BUT THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVE PROVED VERY PRODUCTIVE, SO THERE'S STILL THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRODUCE YET A HIGHER NUMBER. ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION IS CONVERSATIONS HAVE CENTERED AROUND LEVERAGE OF FUNDS AND PRODUCTIVITY OF THOSE FUNDS AND HOW MUCH CAN BE SUP SUPPORTED BY -- HOW MUCH PRODUCTION CAN BE SUPPORTED BY A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT, AND IF WE TAKE FOR EXAMPLE $5 MILLION AND PUT IT TOWARDS VARIOUS DELIVERY MODELS, NEW MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION, MULTIFAMILY REHAB, NEW SINGLE FAMILY CONSTRUCTION OR I SHOULD SAY NEW OWNERSHIP CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THIS MODEL DOES ACCOMMODATE AND THE SHIP PROCESS ACCOMMODATES MISSING MIDDLE, OTHER HOUSING RATHER THAN APARTMENTS VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY AND REHAB, THESE AVERAGE SUBSIDIES PER UNIT ARE THE VALUES THAT ARE GOING INTO THE MODELING RIGHT NOW, SO IF WE PUT $5 MILLION OR TRY TO THINK ABOUT WHERE ANOTHER $5 MILLION CAN COME FROM TO MAKE THE EFFORT TO ENLARGE THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, IT GETS US THESE DIFFERENT VALUES OF  OUTPUT IN TERMS OF THOSE DELIVERY MODELS. 
          SO WE COULD COME BACK TO THIS AT A LATER POINT AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL TURN IT BACK TO VERONICA FOR THE PROPOSED REVISIONS FOR THE 
          SHIP TARGETS. >> THANK YOU, DAVID. SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILED GOALS, THE SUB GO GOALS, I REALLY WANTED TO SHOW THE BASICS OF THE PROPOSED REVISION. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE RECOMMENDING INCREASES IN ALL CATEGORIES, EXCEPT FOR HOME PRESERVATION, WE'RE NOT ACKNOWLEDGING -- WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THERE ISN'T NE NEED, THERE IS NEED ACROSS ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES, AND EVEN INCREASING THE GOALS STILL WON'T MEET THE NEED CITYWIDE, BUT WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING WHAT THE REALITIES ARE AND LOOKING AT THE PROGRESS WE'VE M MADE TO DATE AND WHAT WE THINK WE COULD CONTINUE TO DO OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE OVERALL GOAL GO UP TO 41,050 UNITS, WHICH IS A 46% INCREASE. SO, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PRO PROPOSING TO DO LESS WORK, WE'RE REALLY RIGHT SIZING WHAT'S POSSIBLE. SO THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, ON THIS SLIDE, BUT IT IS THE DETAILED REVISIONS FOR EACH AND EVERY CATEGORY OF HOUSING, AND EACH INCOME LEVEL THAT WE'RE TRACKING. SO A FEW THINGS TO NOTE. 
          WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING AN EXPANDED DEFINITION OF SUPPORTIVE HOUSING WITH THE LARGER GOALS, SO GOING FROM 1,000 HOMES, UP TO 1500 HOMES, AND THAT ACKNOWLEDGES USING -- COUNTING LOW BARRIER SHELTERS OR OTHER HOUSING THAT MAY NOT BE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOU HOUSING. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A NET INCREASE OF 1800 UNITS FOR THE 0 TO 30% INCOME RENTALS AND ANOTHER NET INCREASE OF JUST OVER 1,000 UNITS FOR RENTALS UP TO 50% AMI. THIS ACKNOWLEDGES THE CONTINUED NEED FOR NEW RENTALS BUT REALLY A FOCUS ON YOU NEED TO TRACK THE CONTINUED EFFORTS FOR RENTAL REHAB IN SAN ANTONIO, ESPECIALLY AT THOSE LOWER A AMI LEVELS. WE ALSO, AGAIN, ARE RECOMMENDING TO RIGHT SIZE OUR HOME PRESERVATION GOALS, LOVE YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT, AGAIN THE FOCUS OF THIS CATEGORY WHILE WE'RE RECOMMENDING A REDUCTION, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON REHABBING HOMES FOR 0% TO 30% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME LEVEL AND THEN FI FINALLY INCOME INCREASES IN HOME OWNERSHIP PRODUCTION, DO ACKNOWLEDGE AND INCORPORATE NEW DELIVERY MODELS LIKE COMMITTEE LAND TRUST AND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING WHICH WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          SO OVERALL THE GOAL IS RECOMMENDED TO INCREASE TO 41,050 HOMES, THESE GOALS ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE EFFORTS FROM OUR PARTNERS, INCLUDING OPPORTUNITY HOMES STRATEGY 2037, BEXAR COUNTY'S HOUSING FRAMEWORK GOALS AS WELL AS GOALS FROM THE CITY'S SHELTER AND HOUSING FRAMEWORK AND THE SPECIAL SUPPLY HOUSING TASK FORCE. 
          SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HE HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY, AND WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY ACTION, IT'S ALL FOR YOUR FEEDBACK SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF NE NEEDED. AFTER TODAY WE'LL RECOMMEND GOING TO B SESSION ON SEPTEMBER 30 AND TALK ABOUT THE SHIP REFRESH ALONG WITH THE PROPOSED 2027 BOND, AND THEN FOLLOWING THE -- IF ANY REVISIONS ARE NECESSARY FROM THE FULL COUNCIL B SESSION DISCUSSION, OF COURSE WE'LL COME BACK TO BCDC BEFORE GOING TO FULL COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION OF THE SHIP REFRESH IN OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER. SO THANK YOU, AGAIN, DAVID AND I AND OUR TEAMS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU SO MUCH VERONICA FOR THE WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. 
          I WANT TO THANK OUR PARTNERS WHO WERE HERE TODAY INCLUDING PETTED AND SOME OF THE STAFF FROM THE HOUSING TRUST, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AS WELL AS MICHAEL RAY WHY IS FROM OPPORTUNITY HOME, WE COULDN'T DO THIS WORK WITHOUT YOU, IT'S VERY 
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CLEAR FROM THIS EVIDENCE THAT THE CITY CANNOT DO IT ALONE AND YOU'RE ALL VERY INTEGRAL IN THIS PROCESS, I QUICKLY WA WANTED TO GO TO SLIDE 10, PLEASE. 
          THAT IS -- THAT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN COST FROM JUST FIVE YEARS, AND IF YOU JUST LOOK AT SINGLE FAMILY REHAB, 57% INCREASE, AND ARE THESE INCREASES MOSTLY DUE TO -- IS IT EVERYTHING? LIKE LABOR, PARTS, THE TARIFFS, INFLATION, EVERYTHING? OR JUST KIND OF ONE THING 
          OVER ANOTHER? >> YEAH. A LOT OF IT IS THE COST OF MATERIALS HAVE GONE UP, LABOR COSTS HAVE GONE UP. WE'VE ALSO SEEN SINGLE FAMILY REHAB, A GREATER NEED FOR MORE MAJOR REHAB, MORE GREATER SYSTEM UPGRADE, WHEN THE GOALS WERE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IN 2021, A LOT OF THE REHAB WAS THOUGHT THAT COULD BE MINOR REPAIR, WE HAD A LETS PAINT PROGRAM THAT FOCUSED ON PAINT, ROOFS, WHILE WE STILL DO FRESH PAINT AND NEW ROOFS ON HOMES, WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMES THAT WILL APPLY FOR THAT PROGRAM, BUT THEN WE GO OUT AND DO A SITE VISIT WE CAN'T PUT A NEW ROOF ON THE HOUSE, THEY NEED FULL FOUNDATION, NEED INSULATION, THEY NEED A LOT MORE, SO THE INCREASE COST ACKNOWLEDGES THE MORE COMPREHENSIVE SCOPES THAT WE'RE SEEING FOR THE HOMES THAT ARE AP APPLYING FOR OUR PRO PROGRAMS. 
          >> MUNGIA: AND I'M NOT SURE, MAYBE IN THE MODELS THAT YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANTICIPATED 
          CHANGES IN THESE COSTS IN OUTER YEARS? >> SO I'LL ASK DAVID, BUT I DO BELIEVE THE MODEL HAS A SLIGHT COST ESCALATION YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          >> YEAH. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE COST ESCALATION INCLUDES LAND COST ESCALATION, MATERIALS AND LABOR COST ESCALATION AND ALSO A FLATLINE INTEREST RATE ASSUMPTION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AND I THINK THAT WAS A FAIRLY SAFE BET TO MAKE GIVEN LAST WEEK'S ANNOUNCEMENT AND THE LIKELY FUTURE. SO THERE IS A COST -- THERE IS ESCALATION OF THREE TO 
          FOUR PERCENT ON ALL OF THOSE FACTORS. >> MUNGIA: AND I WOULD MAYBE AT THE B SESSION INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE AS WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE BOND AND THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES ARE NOT WANTING TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE BOND OR EVEN HAVE ONE MAYBE THIS YEAR OR IN 27, EXCUSE ME, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW FOLKS THAT WAITING TO DO A BOND -- WAITING TO DO CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO COST MORE THE LONGER WE WAIT ON BIG PROJECTS, INCLUDING HOUSING, SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TALK YOU KNOW ABOUT THE IMPACT TO RESIDENTS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT AND THE COST OF A POTENTIAL $.2 BILLION BOND BUT THE COST OF WAITING I THINK IS HIGHER AND MORE SIGNIFICANT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. WE'LL START COUNCIL DISCUSSION. ANYBODY WANT TO GO FIRST? COUNCILMAN GALVAN. 
          >> GALVAN: THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU VERONICA FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE DONE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AS WELL AS ALL THE COMMUNITY E ENGAGEMENT DONE THROUGHOUT OUR DISTRICTS. 
          YOU KNOW, I WANT TO ECHO A LOT ABOUT WHAT CHAIRMAN MUNGIA MEN MENTIONED ON THE COSTS GOING UP SO MUCH. WITH THE LABOR COMP COMPONENT, I MEAN, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE DIFFICULT AND THEY BECOME VERY OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE IN SOME WAYS BUT IN LABOR I'M THINKING ABOUT MORE THERE BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW LOCAL LABOR FORCE COULD HELP ASSIST WITH THAT 
          OR IS THAT TOO FAR OUT OF THE SCOPE? >> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. I WOULD SAY THAT ONE OF THE -- ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT IS YET TO BE FURTHER EXPLORED AND IS A GREAT TOPIC OF CONVERSATION ARE THOSE NONTRADITIONAL PARTNERS IN THE SHIP PROCESS. AND THAT COULD EXTEND INTO NONTRADITIONAL RESOURCES AS WELL, BUT ON THE NONTRADITIONAL PARTNERSHIPS, YOU KNOW, UNIVERSITIES, PHILANTHROPY, OTHER NONPROFITS IN -- AND LABOR MARKETS IN THE REGION WOULD BE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE -- IN BUILDING -- AS BU BUILDING INTO THE SYS SYSTEM. AND I THINK THAT LESS THAN -- THERE'S A GOOD TRAJECTORY OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF THE SYSTEM EVOLVING TO A POINT WHERE IT IS NOW READY FOR THAT NEXT LEVEL OF TRANSITION INTO THOSE TYPES OF NONTRADITIONAL PARTNERSHIPS, SO I WOULD INVITE EVERYBODY TO CONSIDER 
          THAT SERIOUSLY GOING FORWARD. >> GALVAN: YEAH. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD FIT INTO YOUR SCOPE OF WORK, WHO WHO EXACTLY IT WOULD GO WITH , BUT INTERESTED IN A LARGER CONVERSATION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE HERE LOCALLY, WHAT PARTNERS WE COULD LOOK AT IN ASSISTING WITH THIS WORK AND WHAT THAT CAPACITY, I GUESS, IT'S VERY OPEN ENDED TO ME AT THE MOMENT BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOMETHING THERE TO WAVE INTO, SO I'M INTERESTED IN TALKING 
          OFFLINE OR IN A FUTURE CONVERSATION. >> I THINK MAYBE VERONICA COULD ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT USE OF FUNDS THAT DOES NOT INVOLVE BRICKS AND MORTAR, 
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BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO IS AROUND CAPACITY BUIL BUILDING. 
          >> GALVAN: YEAH. >> AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT OF LEVERAGE 
          THAT -- TO GET INTO. >> GALVAN: THANK YOU. >> YEAH. 
          WE CAN CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT. >> GALVAN: THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. THE VALUES HERE TOO -- THE REVISED VALUES, I MEAN. 
          I THINK -- I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE RENTAL PRODUCTION ONE FOR THE 0% TO 30% DECREASE, 
          IS THAT PRIMARILY DUE TO COST OF DEVELOPMENT? >> YES. 
          THAT IS THE MOST CHALLENGING NEED TO FI FILL. WE ARE RECOMMENDING -- JUST BASED ON HOW MANY HOMES WE'VE PRODUCED AT THAT LEVEL OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE WANTED TO SET A GOAL THAT'S REALISTIC TO ACHIEVE IN THAT INCOME CATEGORY, AND ALSO A LOT OF THE HOMES THAT WE'RE SEEING ARE EXISTING HOMES, AND WE'VE SEEN SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE LOOKING MORE FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS, AND WE HAS BEENING THOSE OR REIMAGINING AN OLD HOTEL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND TURNING THOSE INTO NEW UNITS, SO THAT WOULD BE TECHNICALLY REHAB OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE TO CREATE NEW RENTAL FOR FAMILIES AT THAT INCOME LEVEL. SO IT'S SOME SHIFTING TO THE REHAB, BUT REALLY ACKNOWLEDGING KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. 
          >> GALVAN: THAT MAKES SENSE. I APPRECIATE SLIDE 11 IN PARTICULAR SHOWCASING THE COST FOR THOSE THINGS, I KNOW THAT'S LESS IN THE 30% WORLD WE KNOW THE COSTS ARE DIFFERENT THERE, BUT STILL LESS HELPFUL TO SHOWCASE HOW MUCH WE COULD DIVE INTO MULTIFAMILY REHAB AND STILL PROVIDE SO MANY MORE UNITS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S VERY EXCITING STUFF, AND I THINK I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.  OF THE SINGLE FAMILY REHAB COMPONENT -- YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THE COMMANDS ARE EXTREMELY HIGH IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT STILL. I GUESS WHAT I WOULD -- AND THIS IS OF COURSE FOR THE WHOLE COMMITTEE TOO AND THE COUNCIL ITSELF BUT THINKING ABOUT WHAT OUR PRIO PRIORITIES ARE WITHIN THAT, THE THESE THERE -- I WOULDN'T WANT TO PULL BACK COMPLETELY, UNDERSTANDING THE CAPACITY FOR THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAY WE COULD TARGET IT MORE TO ADDRESS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE LONG NEEDED THAT KIND OF SUPPORT, THAT ARE SEEING A COMPLETE BLOCK CHANGE VERSUS -- OF COURSE IT DEPENDS ON APPLI APPLICATION; RIGHT?  AND WHOSE HOMES FIT THAT -- THOSE PROCESSES OR APPLICATIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH WE COULD JUST MAKE THAT IMPACT AS BIG AS POSSIBLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE TYPICALLY NEED A LOT OF SUPPORT, MAYBE HAD DIFFERENT CODE VIOLATIONS AS WELL, ANY KIND OF PERMITTING WE COULD OVERLAP -- NOT PERMITTING, DSD TO OVERLAP WITH DATA AND SEE IF WE COULD DO TARGET APPROACH THERE, SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING LESS, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE IF WE CAN, SO NOT A FULL THOUGHT THERE, BUT IT'S A THOUGHT. 
          I THINK THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS ALONG THE -- FOR THE NEXT HOUSING BOND CONVERSATION, OF COURSE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF INCREASING CAPACITY AS MUCH AS WE CAN. 
          WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY KIND OF  ANALYSIS ABOUT THE BEST USE OF FIN FINANCING STATES OR WHAT FINANCING STRATEGIES GO THE FURTHEST IN TERMS OF PROVIDING CAPITAL OR ADDRESSING LAND COST IN SOME WAY, I KNOW W WERE EXPERIMENTING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT WHAT'S BEEN THE OUTCOMES WITH THAT OR ANY OTHER THINGS OF WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT TO HELP REDUCE THE COST OF CONSTRUCTIONS OR ENABLE 
          THESE PRODUCTS. >> SURE. WE HAVE THE $9 MILLION SET ASIDE WITH HOUSING TRUST AND WE'LL BE BRINGING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS SOON, BUT THAT'S WHY WE SET THOSE FUNDS ASIDE WAS FOR LAND BANKING, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED RECOMME RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE AN RFP OUT RIGHT NOW FOR THE LAST USE OF HOUSING BOND FUNDS THAT WERE A RESULT OF THE INTEREST EARNED FROM THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE AND THEN THE FEDERAL DOL DOLLARS, SO WE WOULD BE OPEN TO POTENTIAL LAND BANKING PROPOSALS THAT WOULD COME WITH THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL $9 MILLION SET ASIDE WITH THE HOMELESS STRATEGY TEAM TO LOOK AT EITHER LAND BANKING OR SHELTER OPTIONS, EXP EXPANDED DAY CENTER WHICH WOULD REQUIRE PROBABLY ACQUIRING NEW LAND TO BUILD A SITE FOR THE DAY CENTER. SO USING THE DOLLARS WE HAVE NOW, EVEN IF THE FULL DOLLAR FUND PICTURE ISN'T YET DECIDED BUT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, WE DO NEED TO START ACQUIRING MORE LAND AND IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT MORE IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR 2027 HOUSING BOND IF ANY OF THOSE FUNDS SHOULD ALSO, LIKE AT THE BEGINNING BE SET ASIDE FOR LAND BA BANKING VERSUS WHAT WE DID WITH THE 22 BOND, WHICH IS LET'S SEE WHAT PROPOSALS WE GET AND THEN PURSUE LAND BANKING ON THE 
          BACK END. >> GALVAN: I APPRECIATE THAT. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE SLIDE 11, NOT BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS WITH IT, BUT THE WHOLE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE COULD DO IN PROVIDING THESE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET DOWN FURTHER FOR THIS CONVERSATION BUT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND AT LEAST FOR MYSELF HOW MUCH FURTHER WE COULD GO IN PROVIDING -- CREATING NEW HOUSING UNITS IF WE LOOK AT PURCHASING LAND IN MORE VALUABLE UNITS, EXTREMELY HIGH VALUES 
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BECAUSE THE INTEREST IS THERE. AND SO WONDERING WHAT THAT WOULD SHOWCASE TO US IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF UNITS COULD BE CREATED FROM THAT VERSUS LARGER FORMS OF CAPITAL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THE ONLY OTHER THING I FORGOT TO MENTION WAS DO WE HAVE BUILDING PERMIT DATA WE HAVE FROM DSD TO ADD TO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS WE'VE BEEN CREATING IN TERMS OF THESE GOALS ARE THERE MICRO MARKETS 
          WE COULD INFER BASED ON DATA THAT'S BEEN PULLED. >> WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PULL 
          THAT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> GALVAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS, CHAIR, THANK YOU VERONICA. 
          >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. I'LL FILL IN A LITTLE BIT TOO WHAT YOU SAID. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE NATURALLY LOW RENTS THAT ARE MAYBE NOT SUSUBSIDIZED WITH THE CITY YOU DO HAVE QUITE A BIT -- COVERING DISTRICTS 4 AND 5 WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER MISSING MIDDLE OR SM SMALLER UNIT SIZES, PR PROPERTIES, AND THEN COVERING DISTRICTS 4 AND 5 BY MILITARIES, BEHIND HEB, A LOT OF FOLKS DOING RENTALS ON, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES OR SOMETHING, AND YOU'VE GOT FOUR-PLEXES, SI SIX-PLEXES AND I THINK SOME OF THEM COULD PROBABLY USE SOME REHAB WORK, SO JUST KIND OF LOOKING ON THAT, AND I THINK ALSO GETTING US A WRAP-UP REPORT ON THE BOND IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL AND BENEFICIAL FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD, HOPEFULY WITH ANOTHER ONE TO KIND OF SHOW WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE 
          TO REASSESS AND DO THINGS. COUNCILMEMBER KAUR. >> KAUR: THANKS, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU VERONICA FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SLIDE 11 FROM OUR BR BRIEFING YESTERDAY, AND THIS WAS HELPFUL. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS YOU COULD PUT YOUR DOLLARS ANYWHERE IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO SPLIT THEM UP, AND SO I WAS REALLY PUSHING BACK AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY REHAB GOAL -- WELL, REHAB AND ALSO -- YES, A SINGLE FAMILY REHAB GOAL DECREASE YESTERDAY, AND BASICALLY SAYING, LIKE, IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US, THEN WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO SEE HOW WE CAN PUT RESOURCES THERE, AND YOU KNOW MAJOR MINOR REHAB HOME IS A PROGRAM THAT ALL OF US HAVE SUPPORTED IN THE BUDGET AND WE'RE REALLY GLAD TO KEEP THE FUNDING STABLE, AND SO THE QUESTIONS THAT I WAS ASKING WAS REALLY, LIKE, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO DO MORE OF THAT, AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LIMITING FACTORS, AND I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, AND ESSENTIALLY -- SO THE LIMITING FACTORS, LIKE, ALL KIND OF LAYER ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, I THINK, BUT I STILL DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A STRATEGY AND DO MORE OF IT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY IF SOMEONE -- IF THE HOUSE JUST FALLS APART, THEN THAT PERSON IS NOW UNHOUSED, AND SO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. AND SO THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED FOR, THE CON CONSULTING TEAM WAS HOW DO WE ALIGN OUR GOALS ALSO NOT JUST BASED ON THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE IN CAPACITY, BUT BASED ON NEED. 
          SO I FELT LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FELT WAS THAT THE -- WE WE WERE -- WE WERE TRYING TO THINK HOW WE COULD LEVERAGE OUR DOLLARS BEST, WHICH WE ALWAYS WANT TO DO, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR GOALS ARE TRACKING TOWARDS WHAT THE COMMUNITY REALLY NEEDS, AND I KNOW THAT'S REALLY HARD TO BE ABLE TO ESTIMATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD SPEAK TO ON -- AND IT'S REALLY THE SLIDE WITH THE CHCIS GENDER FOLKS, THIS IS WHO HAS OPTIONED. 
          I KNOW YOU NEED A SLIDE NUMBER. LET ME -- EIGHT. 
          LIKE, WHAT -- HOW DID WE MAKE THIS -- HOW DO WE DO THIS ANALYSIS? 
          >> SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THIS ANALYSIS IS BASED ON WHAT'S CALLED A DISPARITY INDEX. SO DISPARITY INDEX, IMAGINE YOU'VE GOT -- WE'RE FOCUSING ON ONE CENSUS TRACKED, AND IT'S GOT 100 HOUSEHOLDS AT 30% TO 50% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, BUT IT HAS 50 HOUSES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE TO THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE. 
          THAT -- AND THEY'RE ALL COST-BU, THOSE 100 HOUSEHOLDS. THE DISPARITY INDEX IN THIS ANALYSIS WOULD FLAG THOSE HOUSEHOLDS AS BEING A PRIORITY IN THE OVERALL ANALYSIS OF THE ANALYSIS. SO LOOKING AT ALL THE CENSUS TRACKS AND THIS WAS THE WAY THE ANALYSIS SHOOK OUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND WE REPEATED THE SAME METHODOLOGY, SO THERE WERE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT WE DID LOOK AT AT THE TIME, SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS, THERE WAS -- THERE WAS POVERTY LEVEL, THERE WAS VETERAN STATUS, DISABILITY STATUS, ALL OF HESE OTHER FACTORS WERE A PART OF THAT, BUT I 
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THINK IT BECAME TOO PROGRAMMATICALLY DIFFICULT TO OVERLAY THEM, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE DATA SETS JUST WOULDN'T -- THEY CAN'T ALIGN BECAUSE DISCLOSURE 
          ISSUES. >> KAUR: GOT IT. SO WOULD THERE BE ANY WAY TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MORE NEED THERE IS FOR MULTIFAMILY -- SORRY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY REHAB NOW THAN THERE WAS OR HOW MUCH LESS NEED THERE WAS NOW THAN 
          FIVE YEARS AGO? >> DO WE HAVE THAT SLIDE IN THE PACK? THERE IS -- WE DO KNOW WHAT THE -- I CAN -- I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT OF ALL OF THESE TARGETS, EVEN THOSE THAT HAVE GONE UP BY 155% OF THE RENTAL PRODUCTION SIDE, THE NEEDS ARE ALWAYS IN EXCESS OF THOSE TARGETS, ACROSS THE BOARD, BY INCOME LEVEL, BY 
          SIN SINGLE -- BY OWNERSHIP, BY RENTAL. >> KAUR: GOT IT. 
          AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT ANALYSIS? WHAT DATA SET ARE YOU USING 
          TO DETERMINE NE NEEDS? >> IT'S -- AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT -- WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE CO COST-BURDENED POPUL POPULATION, SO THOSE WHO ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING, THAT IS REGULAR COST-BURDEN AND SEVERELY COST BURDENED, THOSE SPEND ING MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR INCOME ON HO HOUSING. 
          SO THAT'S FUNDAM FUNDAMENTALLY -- IN FA FACT, IT'S AN INDU INDUSTRY-WIDE PRACTICE TO LOOK AT WHAT ONE OF THE KEY INDICATORS OF NEED, IS COST BURDEN. THERE ARE OTHER SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH THAT OTHER RESEARCHERS HAVE LOOKED AT, AND THOSE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT COULD BE PUT INTO PLAY AND WERE IN PLAY, KIND OF LIKE THE SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS, AND DEMOGRAPHIC FACTORS THAT I REFERENCED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE ANALYSIS IN 2021 BUT REALLY FOCUSING ON THE NEED HERE, WHAT HAS DRIVEN THE TARGET S SETTING HAS BEEN COST BURDEN. AND TARGETING THAT POPULATION. 
          >> KAUR: I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AND TO COUNCILMEMBER GALVAN 'S POINT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD STRATEGY SUGGESTS, HAVE YOU SEEN OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY TARGET COMMUNITIES SPECIFICALLY FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF SINGLE FAMILY REHAB I THINK WOULD BE EASIER TO TARGET THAN MAYBE RENTAL PRODUCTION BECAUSE RENTAL PRODUCTION, IT'S LIKE LAND AVAILABILITY, SO FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME REHAB, HAVE YOU SEEN A PROGRAM LIKE THAT THAT'S STRATEGICALLY TARGETING 
          SPECIFIC AR AREAS? >> YEAH. I THINK IN SOME WAYS WHAT SAN ANTONIO HAS DONE HAS BEEN EVOLVING IN THE DIRECTION OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO STRATEGICALLY USE LIMITED RESOURCES, AND YOU LOOK AROUND WHAT EVERYONE HAS TRIED TO D DO. DENVER, PORTLAND, AND MANY OTHER CITIES, I THINK YOU COULD FIND EXAMPLES, ATLANTA IS ANOTHER GOOD CASE STUDY RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD LOOK AROUND THE COUNTRY AND FIND EXAMPLES WHERE TARGETED EFFORTS HAVE EITHER FOCUSED ON SPECIFIC PLACES, SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS TO TRIAL OR TO BETA TEST EITHER POLICY OR PROGRAM IDEAS OR FUNNEL RESO RESOURCES. I THINK THE CITY HAS -- THE CITY WITH THE HO HOUSING POLICY FRAMEWORK AND SHIP IN 2021 HAS SET A TARGET OF FOCUSING ON EVERYONE AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY. 
          >> KAUR: YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. 
          >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> KAUR: OBVIOUSLY WE'RE PICKING ON THE ONE AREA THAT HASN'T SHOWN THE OUTCOMES THAT WE WANT AND WE'RE NOT FOCUSING ON THE GOOD THINGS YOU'VE ALL DONE. SO I MEAN THERE'S BEEN AMAZING SUCCESS, WE'VE SEEN SOME REALLY GREAT MULTIFAMILY REHABS IN DISTRICT 1 THAT WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT, A LOT OF GREAT PROGRESS, OBVIOUSLY, ON PRODU PRODUCTION, AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK MOST OF US ARE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THE SINGLE FAMILY. AND THEN I THINK VERONICA IF YOU WANT T TO. 
          >> YES. NO. TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND THEY ARE RECOMMENDED GOALS, AND THERE'S NO -- THAT'S WHY I REALLY WA WANTED TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU, WE HEARD SIMILAR FEED BACK FROM THE HO HOUSING COMMISSION WHEN WE SHARED THAT WITH TH THEM, AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING WITH WHAT GOALS ARE ATTAINABLE WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, ASSUMING WE CONTINUE TO DEDICATE THE SAME RESOURCES WE HAVE, AND THE EFFORTS 
          >> GARCIA: WHAT'S ATTAINABLE, BUT PART OF THE FEEDBACK WE ALSO WANT TO HEAR IS THAT IF THERE IS A REQUEST TO CREATE SOME THAT ARE MORE STRETCH GOALS. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE OTHER REASONS WHY WE WANT TO TRACK EVERY SINGLE BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED. WE ARE BRINGING IN MORE AND MORE PARTNERS TO HOME REHAB EVERY SINGLE YEAR. EVEN THE WORK WE'RE DOING WITH THE STORM RECOVERY 
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ASSISTANCE, MOST OF THOSE WILL BE MINOR REPAIRS VERSUS MAJOR REHABS AND TRYING TO WORK WITH FAMILIES TO LEVERAGE HOME INSURANCE TO PICK UP THE REST. TRYING TO BE CREATIVE. SO IF THERE IS A REQUEST TO MAKE IT MORE OF A STRETCH GOAL, WE CAN ALWAYS MAKE THAT UPDATE AND COUNTING EVERY SINGLE HOME, GRADED, PRESERVED, REGARD LSZ OF THE CAT GROIR OR CAP, I THINK IT WILL ALSO HELP ACKNOWLEDGE THE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS MADE ACROSS EVERY SINGLE HOUSING TYPE AT THE 
          10-YEAR MARK. >> KAUR: YEAH. AND I'LL END WITH -- LIKE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD L LOOK LIKE, HOW MUCH IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO SAY -- RIGHT NOW IT'S DECREASED BY 44%. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? OH,ING 64. 
          OH, SORRY, 64. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE IF THE GOAL WAS 5,000 INSTEAD OF 4,000. IRKNOWE'RE IN A DEFICIT, AND WE NEVER -- WE NEVER WANT TO ADD MORE STAFF -- SORRY, SHORTFALL, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE KNOW THE WORK -- THIS WORK IS AT LEAST FOR DISTRICT ONE AND MANY OF OUR DISTRICTS, OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. SO LIKE WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE ADDING FOUR STAFF OR WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE GOING OUT AND SEEING IF THERE WERE OTHER NONPROFITS. I THINK THE NONPROFITS THAT DO THIS WORK ARE THE MOST EFFICIENT BECAUSE THEY USE A LOT OF VOLUNTEER HOURS, ET CETERA, SO WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE TO BUILD UP CAPACITY. 
          MAYBE THAT'S LIKE OVER THE PAST YEAR WE THINK ABOUT HOW COULD WE DO THAT AND HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD IT TAKE. SO -- I STILL AM INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT. AND THEN -- AUDIO] -- IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL ON THE STRATEGY ARGUMENT OF TARGETED NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES THAT HAVE GOTTEN MAJOR/MINOR REHOME REHAB. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A 
          SECURITY ISSUE. >> GARCIA: IT IS. KIND OF DO LIKE A HEAT MAP, BUT, SURE, FOR ANY OF YOU IF YOU WANT MORE DETAIL, WE CAN CREATE, 
          BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. >> KAUR: MAYBE SOMETHING INTERNAL THAT WE CAN SEE IN OUR DISTRICTS LIKE WHERE THEY'VE FALL EBB. 
          I'VE NEVER TARGETED -- FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WERE NAMING NEIGHBORHOODS, LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS AND CENTRAL LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS ARE REALLY PRIORITIES AS WELL AS THE PARTS HIT BY THE STORM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS FOR FOLKS THAT NEED THE PROGRAM. SO IT WOULD BE INTEREST TO RING TO SEE MAYBE LIKE A HEAT MAP OR INTERNALLY AT LEAST SPECIFIC HOMES THAT HAVE RECEIVED IT, 
          JUST SO WE CAN SEE WHERE THAT IMPACT IS GOING. >> GARCIA: YEAH. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND WE FIND A LOT OF THE REFERRALS COME FROM -- OH, YES, OUR ACCOUNTS SHOW UP BUT NOT THE SPECIFIC LOCATION, BUT, AGAIN, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO EACH OF YOU, AND WHAT WE FIND IN REVIEWING IS SOMETIMES A NEIGHBOR WILL SEE THEIR NEIGHBOR GOT A PROGRAM AND THEY'LL HELP THEM APPLY. 
          LIKE THIS IS THE THIRD HOME WE'VE DONE ON XYZ THING. 
          >> KAUR: SORRY, LAST, LAST, LAST THING. THE UPLIFT PROGRAM, THEY'RE TRYING THIS NEW THING, THEY PICKED A BLOCK IN D5 AND D1, I THINK, AND MAYBE D2, AND SAID WE'RE PUTTING EVERYBODY ON THE PROGRAM, BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'RE MAKING IS THE HOME VALUES THERE ARE -- APPRAISAL VALUE WHICH YOU CAN SEE ONLINE PUBLICLY ARE ALL AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THEY MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE. 
          I WONDER WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A TARGETED AREA. 
          BUT ANYWAYS -- >> GARCIA: SURE. HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT. 
          >> MUNGIA: KEY TAKEAWAY, STRETCH THAT GOAL. COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO? 
          >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, VERONICA FOR THE PRESENTATION, OF COURSE THE ENTIRE TIME FOR ALL THAT Y'ALL DO ENSURING THIS IS ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, ALSO GRATEFUL FOR THE PARTNERS WITHIN THE THE SHIP, BUILDING UPON WHAT DR. KAUR MENTIONED IS THE REDUCTION WITH HOME REHAB AS WELL AS ADDING THE REDUCTION TO 0 TO 30% AMI, I UNDERSTAND THE REALITIES OF THE FINANCIAL MARKET, BUT I THINK THAT NEED IS ALSO THE REALITY THAT WE SHOULD BE DEMONSTRATING TO HAVE AS THAT GOAL THAT WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN. AND I UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, RIGHT, JUST THE CHANGE IN THE MARKET. AND I'M THINKING ABOUT A BRIEFING THAT I JUST RECEIVED ON WOLFF STADIUM, RIGHT, AND PART OF THAT MARKET ANALYSIS AND WHAT THAT ECONOMIST PRESENTED WAS IF WE DO HOUSING, THE MARKET SHOWS THAT SAN ANTONIO IS OVERSATURATED WITH MARKET RATE SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AND THAT'S WHERE THE NEED IS IF WE WERE TO BUILD HOUSING WITHIN THE NELSON WOLFF AREA. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT GOAL, BECAUSE, TOO, THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE'RE COMMUNICATING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS, THERE IS THIS NEED, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSED REVISION TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT THAT NEED IS FOR RENTAL PRODUCTION AT THE 0 TO 30% AMI AND OF COURSE WITH THE HOME OWNERSHIP PRESERVATION AS WELL. 
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GOING BEYOND THE PROPOSED REVISIONS WITH THE CURRENT GOALS, I DID WANT TO ADD -- AND I UNDERSTAND YOU MENTIONED THIS ISN'T LIKE A FULL REFRESH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMMITTEDMENT OF COMMITTING TO THE KELSEY STANDARDS. AGAIN, I ALWAYS POINT TO THE LEADERSHIP OF PETE ALANIZ WITH THE HOUSING TRUST AND HOW THESE ARE ACCESSIBLE HOUSING UNITS AND JANE HAS BEEN ASKING THAT THIS COMMITTEE AGENDIZEZ -- THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTING SIMILAR STANDARDS, BUT SETTING THAT EXPECTATION AND RUNNING IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE HOUSING TRUST EXPECTATIONS IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE UPDATED POLICY REFRESH. 
          I APPRECIATE THIS SPECIAL SUPPLY TASK FORCE BUT WHAT CONTINUES TO BE MISSING AND I CONTINUE TO MENTION -- WE'VE BEEN DOING, BUT IDENTIFYING THE NEED TO PRODUCE HOUSING AND/OR ACCESSIBLE HOUSING FOR JUSTICE-INVOLVED INDIVIDUALS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SERVED THEIR TIME, THEY'RE WORKING FULL-TIME, BUT IT'S OFTEN SUP PAR HOUSING THAT THEY'RE HAVING ACCESS TO. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE SHIP REFRESH, AS WELL AS WITHIN THE BOND CONVERSATION. 
          COPY/PASTE EVERYTHING COUNCILMAN MUNGIA SAID, DR. KAUR, AND, OF COURSE, I THINK WHAT THE CHAIR MENTIONED WAS THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE, THE LESS HOUSING AFFORD CIALT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE, SO I THINK THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO WHY I THINK WE SHOULD MAINTAIN THE GOALS WHERE THE NEED IS, BECAUSE -- ALMOST, HMM, HOW DO I SAY THIS TASTEFULLY. MY CONCERN IS IF WE PULL BACK TO WHAT IS REALISTIC, THE COUNCIL AS A BODY IS GOING TO PAT OUR OURSELVES ON THE BACK -- THAT'S WHY I'M HOPEFUL WE CAN STRETCH THE GOAL TO WHAT'S NEEDED BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED IT MAY RESULT IN SMALLER HOUSING BOND OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, VERONICA. >> GARCIA: UH-HUH. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN MEZA GONZALEZ? >> GONZALEZ: YEAH, JUST QUICKLY. I WANT TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE HOUSING BOND, TOO, THIS IS MAKE-A MAYBE ON A TANGENT, BUT REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CLEAR -- EVEN A NUMBER ATTACHED WITH THAT, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT D IS A REAL NEED IN THE HOUSING BOND FOR US? IT'S NOT -- OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE, RIGHT -- IT'S GONE DOWN, BUT REALLY WHAT IS THE NEED? AND SO THAT WAY WE CAN START TO ARTICULATE AND THINK MORE ABOUT WHAT OUR ASK, WHAT THE NEED IS, AND IF THAT EVEN MATCHES, IF WE DO NEED TO INCREASE THAT BOND CAPACITY. THAT'S AN HONEST CONVERSATION, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING WE NEED TO INCREASE IT FOR THESE BIGGER PROJECTS, IT'S REALLY HOW DOES THIS HELP US WITH THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PLEAT HERE, RIGHT? SO WHAT DOES THAT NUMBER HONESTLY LOOK LIKE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE THAT? JUST KIDDING. 
          >> GARCIA: WE'LL SAY THAT THE ORIGINAL SHIP IDENTIFIED TWO HOUSING BONDS AND EACH 150 MILLION. BUT FOR THIS REFRESH, WE -- AGAIN, SINCE THE OVERALL BOND CAPACITY IS REALLY CUT IN LESS THAN HALF, WE MODELED A SMALLER HOUSING BOND TO COME UP WITH THESE 
          GOALS. >> GONZALEZ: OKAY. >> GARCIA: IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED A LARGER ONE. IT'S AGAIN JUST AN EXERCISE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE -- 
          >> GONZALEZ: THANK YOU -- OH, WERE YOU GOING TO? GO AHEAD. 
          >> TATE: I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION BASED ON THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION ON SEPTEMBER 30TH AND HOW MUCH -- OR HOW WE'LL ALLOCATE POTENTIALLY THOSE BOND PROGRAMS, WE MAY GO BACK AND UPDATE THESE GOALS, AND ADDITIONALLY BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE'VE HAD AROUND HOME REHABILITATION. BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. 
          >> GONZALEZ: OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT COUNCILMAN GALVAN'S POINT ABOUT THE NONTRADITIONAL PARTNERSHIPS, I'D BE INTERESTING IN LEARNING WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. 
          I THINK WHEN THE CONSULTANT'S EYES GOT BIG, THAT'S A GOOD THING TO KNOW THAT -- I MEAN, HE -- BASICALLY SAID, LIKE, YOU GUYS NEED TO DO THAT. THAT, TO ME IS, OKAY, THEN WE SHOULD AT LEAST LOOK AT IT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK ALSO -- I THINK HOUSING IS AN AGING IN PLACE IS PUBLIC HEALTH AND MAKING SURE THOSE WORDS ARE ARTICULATED THROUGHOUT OUR CONVERSATION -- AUDIO] -- MAKING SURE THAT FOLKS HAVE A PLACE TO NOT JUST LIVE FOR THE MOMENT, BUT FOR THE LIFE THAT THEY'RE BUILDING, THE FAMILIES THAT THEY'RE GROWING, ALL OF THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S IN 
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THERE. AND I LIKED ALSO THE POINT ABOUT JUST THE SPECIFIC -- MAYBE SOME PILOT PROGRAMS IF -- WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOME OWNERSHIP PRESERVATION, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATE REPAIRS VERSUS THE DEEPER KIND OF BIGGER PROJECTS. ARE WE ABLE TO CATEGORIZE 
          THOSE AT THAT -- AT THIS POINT? >> GARCIA: ALL REHABS IS ONE HOME REHABBED WHETHER WE DID JUST A ROOF OR IF WE DID A FULL 
          RECONSTRUCTION. >> GONZALEZ: BUT CAN YOU SHOW US, I GUESS, BY 
          CATEGORY WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR YOU GUYS? >> GARCIA: DO YOU MEAN LIKE HOW MANY MINORS VERSUS MAJOR REHABS REHABS. 
          >> GONZALEZ: YEAH, HOW MANY WERE ROOFS. >> GARCIA: YEAH, WE HAVE 
          THAT. >> GONZALEZ: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          >> MUNGIA: I'LL JUST ADD WHETHER WE STARTED IN JANUARY WITH THE UDC PROCESS, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT UNIVERSAL DESIGN IN THIS COMMITTEE, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO FOCUS ON THAT AND MAKE SOME REAL CHANGES WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE SHY ABOUT THE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY OR THE ASK THAT WE'RE ASKING, SO THANK YOU FOR BEING CONSIDERATE, VERONICA, BUT IF IT WAS 150 -- IF YOU GUYS WERE PLANNING FOR 150, YOU NEED TO PLAN FOR IT AGAIN AND LET US DEAL WITH THAT. BUT WE SHOULD NOT BE SHY ON HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY NEED, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED ABOUT THE READY TO WORK PROGRAM, RIGHT? EVERYBODY SAYS WELL, WE HAD THESE HIGH NUMBERS AND WE HAVEN'T MET THEM. WELL, ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DREAM SMALL? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO THINK THIS IS ONLY THE BARE MINIMUM AS COUNCILMAN CAS TEE 83 SAID? WE HAVE TO HAVE A HIGH NUMBER, A HIGH AMBITION AND GET OUR PARTNERS TO GET US THERE. 
          COUNCILWOMAN KAUR? >> KAUR: THANKS, CHAIR. I KNOW YOU TOLD ME YESTERDAY IN THE BRIEFING,  SO YOU BUDGETED 75 MILLION FOR BOND AND THEN CDBG HOME, AND WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS 
          INCLUDED? >> GARCIA: WE JUST BASICALLY ASSUMED THAT OUR LOCAL DOLLARS STAYED THE SAME OUTSIDE OF THE BOND, THAT WENT DOWN TO 75 MILLION, HALF OF THE LAST ONE, AND THAT OUR FEDERAL ALLOCATIONS WILL BE THE SAME AND THEN THE MONEY WE HAVE FROM THE GENERAL FUND, LIKE ICIF, 
          THAT ALL CONTINUES. >> KAUR: SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE SHOWED FOR THE B SESSION WHEN YOU ALL COME BACK, TO SHOW LIKE WHAT IS CURRENT -- LIKE THE WORK THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE DONE, AND THEN MAYBE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS 150. AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET TO THAT FUNDING EVEN FROM OTHER DIFFERENT SOURCES OR FIGURE IT OUT, BUT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? ESSENTIALLY WHAT COUNCILMEMBER SAID, LIKE, OKAY, IF WE -- IF WE HAD THIS, THIS IS LIKE VERSION A, THIS IS VERSION 2, AND THEN WE CAN GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHICH ONE WE WOULD SUPPORT AND HOW WE COULD ADVOCATE FOR THAT. 
          >> MUNGIA: AND TO THAT POINT, IF I CAN ADD, WHEN YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION IN SEPTEMBER, CAN YOU PLEASE INCLUDE -- I'M GOING TO ASK FOR THIS -- WHAT HAVE BEEN THE RESULTS OF THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR IN '27, 1.6% CUT FOR YOU IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, AND IF WE WERE TO CUT NEXT YEAR, THE 2%, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT AND YOUR ABILITY TO DO THIS WORK. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO HAPPENING ABOVE US, AROUND US, RIGHT, THIS THREAT OF CUTTING, AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS FOR YOU AND THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. SO THAT WOULD BE VERY 
          PRUDENT. THANK YOU. >> TATE: I JUST WANTED TO SAY, IF I COULD -- IF WE COULD FOCUS ON THE 2% FOR 2028, SINCE THE 2027 IS BALANCED AND ADOPTED, FOCUS ON THE 2% FOR 2028. 
          >> MUNGIA: YOU'RE RIGHT, LET'S NOT REHASH WHAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          OKAY. YES, COUNCILMAN? >> GALVAN: JUST ONE LAST QUICK THING. I WANTED TO ECHO COUNCILMAN MEZA GONZALEZ'S POINT ABOUT THE FULL LENS, WE ALL KNOW IT ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEALTH IMPACT, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR NEXT WEEK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ICSO THAT CAN LOOK INTO IT AS PILOTS ABOUT WHAT THE LARGER IMPACT IS IN TERMS OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY BUT ALSO ON PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE AREA, WEATHERIZATION INVOLVED, TO ALSO SHOWCASE HOW MUCH OUR DOLLARS CAN STRETCH AND HOW MUCH IT SAVES THE LARGER BUDGET AS WELL IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY AS WELL. 
          ESPECIALLY TALKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS TO FOLKS THAT DON'T HAVE TO CALL EMS AS OFTEN BECAUSE THEIR HOMES ARE NOW FULLY ACCESSIBLE -- I 
          DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT -- >> KAUR: SORRY, CHAIR. 
          MARIA HAS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD STATISTICS, SO ICSO DOES HAVE THAT, SO IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE COULD OVERLAY JUST THE HEAT MAP OF MAYBE JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOME REHAB AND SEE WHAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS STATISTICS LOOKED LIKE IN 2019 AND WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE TODAY IN 2026. AND SHE ALREADY HAS THOSE, SO IT WOULD BE JUST AN OVERLAY OF WHAT -- LIKE THE SPECIFIC PLACES THAT YOU'VE DONE 
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          IT. >> MUNGIA: YEAH, AND TO THAT POINT, WHAT WOULD THE ANALYSIS LOOK LIKE IF YOU SWAPPED IAN FOR AN SAPD OFFICER, YOU KNOW? JUST KIDDING. ALL RIGHT. FOLKS. 
          IS THAT ALL THE COMMENTS FOR THE DAY? WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, VERONICA. APPRECIATE IT. 
          ITEM WAS JUST FOR A BRIEFING, SO WE'LL ZERO MOVE ON. 
          I WANT TO LET FOLKS WE HAVE A TIME CHECK. WE'VE GOT TWO ITEMS LEFT. SO -- IT WASN'T DIRECTED TO YOU. 
          IT'S JUST CANCEL YOUR LUNCHES. SO ITEM 4 IS A BRIEFING ON TAX INCREMENT FINANCING PROGRAM POLICY. 
          BENAVIDES. JUST KITTING. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. 
          THIS WILL BE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF OUR TAX INCRIMENT FINANCING POLICY. WE'LL TALK LITTLE BIT ABOUT TIRZ, WHERE THE STATUTE -- THE ALLOWABILITY OF TISHZ COMES FROM AND THEN -- TIRZ COMES FROM AND HOW WE UTILIZE THE POLICY TO DRIVE -- ULTIMATELY COUNCIL CONSIDERS FOR APPROVEMENT. SO TIRZ IS AUTHORIZED UNDER THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING ACT CHAPTER 311 OF THE TEXAS TAX CODE. 
          WE CALL THOSE THE TIRZ, THAT'S WHAT THE ZONE IS. AND IT ALLOWS FOR TWO TYPES OF TIRZ, CITY-INITIATED OR PETITION OR DEVELOPER-INITIATED AS WE REFER TO THEM. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 19 TIRZ. WE HAVE MAPS OF EACH ONE ONLINE. 
          EACH TIRZ BOARD IS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MANAGEMENT IMPLEMENTATION. 
          EACH TIRZ BOARD HAS BETWEEN FIVE AND 11 CITY APPOINTMENTS, AND THAT'S PER OUR POLICY. THE CITY-INITIATED BOARDS NOW CONTAIN AT LEAST ONE CITY COUNCILMEMBER AND THAT WAS DONE OVER THE LAST THROUGH YEARS IN A BUDGET PROCESS AND AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MADE, AND EACH TIRZ MAY INCLUDE CITY STAFF FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THE PURPOSE OF THOSE PARTICULAR TIRZ. OUR PROJECT REVIEW PROCESS, SO PROPOSED PROJECTS ARE FIRST LOOKED THROUGH A BUT FOR TEST. AND THAT'S BASICALLY BUT FOR THESE PROJECTS, THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN. WE WORK ON PROJECT ELIGIBILITY, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS NOT ALLOWABLE FOR TIRZ AND THERE ARE ALSO ITEMS IN OUR OWN TIF POLICY SUCH AS OVER THE EDWARDS AQUIFER THAT WE DEEM UNALLOWABLE. OFTENTIMES REQUESTS INVOLVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING WITH OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS, INCLUDING COST OF SERVICE AND PARTICIPATION RATE, BUT THOSE COULD BE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT THAT HAVE TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH THE FUNDING AND WHAT IT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR. AS STAFF, WE LOOK -- WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO IDENTIFY THE PUBLIC PURPOSE OR THE BENEFIT OF THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO EACH PROJECT. WE ASK OURSELF DOES THE PROPOSED USE ALIGN WITH COUNCIL AND DON'TED POLICIES. 
          WE IDENTIFY HOW PROPOSED PROJECTS COMPARE WITH PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COMPARABLE PROJECTS. SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALIGNMENT WITH CITY POLICY, THOSE INCLUDE MANY STRATEGIC INITIATIVES, AND THOSE ARE ALWAYS EVOLVING. FOR HOUSING, WE, OF COURSE, LOOK AT OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, MORE RECENTLY OUR HOUSING FRAMEWORK, WE LOOK AT IF THE PROJECT IS BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR HOUSING, WE DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING IS NEEDED IN THE AREA, AFFORDABILITY LEVELS, RESIDENT PROTECTION, SERVICES AND AFFORDABILITY BASED ON THE PROJECT TYPE. SA TOMORROW WHICH IS, OF COURSE, OUR COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN, WE REALLY CHECK THAT BASED ON THE TYPE OF HOUSING AND IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA, OUR ECONOMICT FRAMEWORK, WHEN WE LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT ARE MIXED USE ARE FOCUSED ON JOB CREATION, EMPLOYMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA, OUR DISABILITY ACCESS OFFICE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNIVERSAL DESIGN WHENEVER IT'S FEASIBLE IN PROJECTS, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS AND CAPITAL DELIVERY FOR PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE ANY KIND OF ROADWAY, CAPITAL PROJECTS OR ANY TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE. ARTS AND CULTURE FOR PROJECTS THAT INVOLVE THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR ANY PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE HISTORICAL COMPONENTS. THESE ARE JUST SOME THAT I COULD FIT ON THE SLIDE BUT WE VERY FREQUENTLY COORDINATE WITH OUR -- SO I THINK THE POINTER OF THIS IS WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT ASKS ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE POLICIES. FOR HOUSING PROJECTS, OUR MAIN DRIVER IS OUR STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. IF A PROJECT DOES NOT PROPOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALIGN WITH THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WE DO ASK FOR DEVELOPERS TO SUBMIT A MARKET ANALYSIS. 
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WE DO CONDUCT DISPLACEMENT ANALYSIS ASSESSMENTS ON PROJECTS WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WITH HOUSING PROPOSED. 
          OUR POLICY CURRENTLY INCLUDES A MINIMUM OF 25% OF THE UNIT SET ASIDE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR CONTRIBUTING 25% OF THE TAX INCREMENT FROM THAT PROJECT TOWARDS THE CITY'S AFFORDABILITY HOUSING FUND AND THAT FUND FUNDS A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS CITYWIDE BUT CAN BE DIRECTED IN SPECIFIC AREAS AS WELL. OF COURSE ALL OF THESE CRITERIA ARE SUBJECT TO THE BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD TRANSITION INTO PRIORITIES AND GOALS.  I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT THROUGH RECENT TIRZ BOARD MEETINGS AND CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS DURING THE BUDGET, CITY-INITIATED TIRZ BOARDS, AND THIS IS IN OUR POLICY, MAY ADOPT PRIORITIES AND GOALS. AND THOSE ARE REALLY TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DYNAMIC AND SPECIFIC TO EACH TIRZ THAT ENSURES THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE APPLYING AND PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED ADDRESS NEEDS SPECIFIC TO THE COMMUNITY AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          WE ENSURE THAT THOSE PRIORITIES AND GOALS ARE IN ALIGNMENT, AGAIN, WITH CITY PLANS AND POLICIES AT A HIGHER LEVEL. BUT THOSE GOALS AND PRIORITIES CAN SPECIFY THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, ADDITIONAL CRITERIA THAT THEY WOULD LIKE APPLIED TO PROJECTS, THEY CAN ALSO SPECIFY WHO BENEFITS TO BE INCLUDED IN THOSE FUNDING AGREEMENTS OR AS A CONDITION OF FUNDING AND THEY CAN BE -- AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE DYNAMIC, REVISED AND UPDATED TO MEET CHANGING NEEDS OF THOSE COMMUNITIES OR CITY GOALS AND PRIORITIES. SO IN SUMMARY, OUR TIF POLICY IS USED AS A GUIDE FOR APPLICANTS AND STAFF ON PROJECTS TO BE CONSIDERED. ULTULTIMATELY TIRZ ARE RESTRICTED, BUT -- IN AUDIO] -- HOUSING, INFRASTRUCTURE, EACH TIRZ BOARD MAY HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES AND GOALS THAT GUIDE THEIR SPECIFIC PROJECTS. 
          EACH TIRZ BOARD AND COUNCIL CAN REQUEST CHANGES TO PROJECT PROPOSALS TO REFLECT ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE GOALS AND PRIORITIES AND ADDRESS CERTAIN COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND THE POLICY ULTIMATELY IS ALSO A DOCUMENT THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS AND CAN BE UPDATED AND AMENDED AS ISSUES ARISE. THE MOST RECENT TIME WAS WHEN WE UPDATED OUR DISPLACEMENT LANGUAGE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          >> MUNGIA: IAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA. THIS IS NOT MEANT ON ANY INDIVIDUAL TIRZ, I THINK BASED ON DISCUSSION THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT CAME UP ON COUNCIL DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS. I THINK WE DID A REALLY -- THIS COMMITTEE, BEFORE I WAS ELECTED DID A REALLY GOOD JOB IN REALLY RETOOLING THIS POLICY A FEW YEARS BACK, AND I THINK THAT WAS SOME MAJOR EFFORTS. 
          AND, OF COURSE, THIS COMMITTEE HELPED TIGHTEN THE ANTIDISPLACEMENT RULE A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHICH I THINK IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I DO THINK A COUPLE THINGS CAME UP, AND I THINK THE INTENTION FOR TODAY IS TO GET SOME FEEDBACK, HAVE THE TEAM GO OUT, NHSD TEAM GOO OUT TO OUR COUNCIL DISTRICT COLLEAGUES AND ASK THEM ON SOME INPUT OR SOME THINGS THAT THEY'RE SEEING OR FEELING, BUT A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME UP, AND I'M CURIOUS WHAT FOLKS THINK ABOUT IS NOT ALLOWING CITY STAFF TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE BOARD. OF COURSE, THEY WOULD BE THERE TO HELP ADVISE, BUT REMOVING CITY STAFF FROM VOTING ON THE BOARD. 
          AND THEN RESTRICTING FOLKS -- THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE BOARD TO FOLKS WHO DO NOT HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST -- YOU BE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THAT ITEM TO GET YOUR OWN ENTITY MONEY. 
          NOW, THOSE THINGS WILL AFFECT DIFFERENT TIRZ AND DIFFERENT BOUNDARIES -- OF THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE IT'S MORE OR LESS A DEVELOPER-INITIATED TIRZ STYLE BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A CITY-INITIATED ONE, SO THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT WELCOME SOME FEEDBACK AND THE IDEA IS TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM OUR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION, BRING IT BACK AND POTENTIALLY MAKE SOME CHANGES IN IN THE, YOU KNOW, NEAR FUTURE, BUT WANTED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, GET SOME IDEAS FROM OUR COLLEAGUES SO WE CAN MAKE SOME SENSIBLE CHANGE THAT IS DIGESTIBLE AND NOT JUST THROW SOMETHING AT THE WALL AND HOPE THAT WE ALL FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. 
          SO COUNCILWOMAN KAUR? >> KAUR: SURE. THANK YOU. 
          AYE AIAN FOR ALL OF THE WORK YOU AND YOUR TEAM DOES. 
          FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE DOING -- WORKING WITH QUASI CITY APPOINTMENTS, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT SO THAT WE'RE NOT INADVERTENTLY ADVOCATING FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT, ET CETERA. AND I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW IT IS -- LIKE WHO IS -- HOW THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS ACTUALLY GOES. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT SOME OF OUR OTHER COMMITTEES, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF LIKE -- ZONING ALL OF US GET TO APPOINT ONE APPOINTEE AND EVERYBODY GETS TO APPOINT 
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AN APPOINTEE PLUS THE MAYOR AND THERE IS A CHAIR, ET CETERA, SO EVEN THOUGH AN ISSUE MIGHT BE OCCURRING IN DISTRICT ONE, IT'S FOLKS FROM ALL OVER THE CITY THAT ARE RESPONDING TO WHATEVER THAT ZONING ISSUE IS. 
          IT'S NOT JUST A DISTRICT ONE PERSON MAKING THE DETERMINATION ON A DISTRICT ONE ISSUE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IN SOME OF THE BOARDS IN SOME OF THE TIRZ ACROSS IS IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT ARE -- IT'S JUST THAT AREA MAKING THE DECISION FOR THAT AREA, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS, SAME THING WITH OUR BUDGET, WE ALL ARE -- THE SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICT ALLOWS US TO THINK ABOUT THE CITY AS A WHOLE VERSUS AN INDIVIDUAL AREA, IF I'M KIND OF -- WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL AREA JUST FOCUSED ON DOLLAR SPENDING IN THAT AREA CAN BECOME A -- LIKE A SILO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SAYING IT RIGHT. SO I UNDERSTAND THESE DOLLARS ARE GARNERED FROM THAT AREA, BUT IF WE ARE TRULY FOCUSING ON ISSUES THAT ARE AT LARGE, LIKE HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE REPRESENTATION OF THE BOARD SHOWS THAT. AND S SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ONE OF THE PRIORITIES FOR ALL OF OUR TIRZ, AND SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING A TOD BOTH GREEN AND SILVER LINE DOLLARS ALLOCATED FROM THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS, AND IF WE'RE JUST FOCUSED ON THE AREA THAT IT'S LOCATED IN, WE MIGHT BE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M CLEARLY SAYING MY POINT, BUT I JUST THINK WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHO'S MAKING THE APPOINTMENTS AND HOW THEY'RE BEING MADE. 
          AND ENSURING THAT -- BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER MEZA GONZALEZ, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE DON'T HAVE TIRZ REALLY IN THEIR AREAS, BUT THEY -- I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD STILL HAVE A VOICE ON WHO GETS APPOINTED TO SOME OF THOSE TIRZ. AND JUST BY -- AND SOMETIMES BY JUST A COUNCIL VOTE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT THOUGHTFUL -- LIKE POINTED ENOUGH VOICE, IF -- ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GOING TO STOP. I'M TRYING TO -- >> MUNGIA: NO, I UNDERSTAND. IS THAT BASED ON EXPERIENCE? NO, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IT CAN GET VERY SILOED, LIKE YOU SAID. 
          THAT'S TRUE. AND I THINK IT CAN GET REALLY HONED DOWN ONTO SOMETHING. WHAT I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE IS I THINK EVERYBODY -- FOLKS ARE A CRITIC OF A TIRZ UNTIL THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO STEP INTO ONE AND MAKE DECISIONS, RIGHT? SO FOLKS, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS MAYBE THEIR PREDECESSORS THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE THINGS THEY WERE DOING IN THAT TIRZ -- SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS IS IMPORTANT WITH HOUSING, SO ALSO REAL QUICK BEFORE WE CONTINUE, WE -- SOME OF US -- I GUESS WHOEVER WAS ON A TIRZ GOT THIS EVALUATION WORKSHEET. WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? 
          >> TATE: THAT'S AN EFFORT THAT THE CITY CLERK IS WORKING ON. 
          >> GARCIA: YES, THAT WOULD BE AS A PART OF THE CCR THAT CAME FROM COUNCILMEMBER WHYTE. IT WAS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          IT WAS TO SUNSET BOARDS AND IT WAS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          THERE WAS AN EVALUATION WORKSHEET THAT WAS CREATED AND GOT SENT TO ALL THE BOARDS TO EVALUATE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT 
          BOARD. >> SPECIFIC ASK TO ENSURE THAT TIRZ BOARDS WERE INCLUDED IN THIS? 
          >> NO, THERE WAS NO REQUEST TO -- >> MUNGIA: OKAY. 
          >> MY STAFF INCLUDES ALL BOARDS, EVEN TIRZ AND THOSE THAT ARE STATUTORY, REQUIRED, JUST TO HAVE THE FEEDBACK FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHICH THEY 
          WILL CONSIDER IN OCTOBER. >> MUNGIA: O'ER, OKAY. 
          GREAT. MAYBE JUST FOR OUR PURPOSES, MAYBE WE CAN GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THIS WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, SINCE WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS IN THIS COMMITTEE, AND THEN I'M SURE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE CAN GET EVERYTHING ELSE, SO... ANYBODY ELSE HAVE SOME COMMENTS, CONCERNS? 
          COUNCILMAN GALVAN? GRALZ >> GALVAN: THANK YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION TO THE CHAIR. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. I GUESS WONDERING, WHEN YOU SAID LIKE THE WHOLE CITY GETTING -- OR LIKE A LARGER VIEW ON IT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF BOARD REPRESENTATION, WHAT DOES 
          IT LOOK LIKE NOW? I'M JUST -- >> SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. TIRZ WERE CREATED AT DIFFERENT TIMES FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES SO SOME BOARD'S MAKEUPS ARE SPECIFIC TO SPECIFIC TIRZ. I'LL USE MIDTOWN, THERE ARE STIFF STAFF THAT ARE ON THAT ONE THAT ARE ALIGNED TO THE PURPOSE, CITY PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          THERE ARE ALSO MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY APPOINTED BY CERTAIN COUNCILMEMBERS AND ALSO FROM SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S NOT A CLEAR ONE WAY THAT IT'S DONE ACROSS ALL THE 
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BOARDS, I THINK WHAT THE COUNCILWOMAN IS GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OPTIONS THAT EXPAND THAT TO INVOLVE OTHER COUNCIL DISTRICTS. 
          I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU 
          WERE SAYING. >> KAUR: IF I CAN ADD JUST A -- YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. LET'S JUST TAKE MIDTOWN SINCE IT'S A HOT TOPIC, RIGHT, THE I FEEL LIKE MIDTOWN, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE USING, I ARGUE ALL THE TIME, BRACKENRIDGE GETS AFFECTED BY ALL OF THE CITY. I JUST THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BROADEN REPRESENTATION SO IT'S NOT SO SILOED FOR A SPECIFIC AREA. 
          >> GALVAN: THAT'S HELPFUL. I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE PICTURE CORRECTLY. SENSE TO ME TO DO THAT, I GUESS MA I'M WONDERING TOO IS WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE IN THE TIRZ BEING ABLE TO GO BEYOND THEIR BOUNDARIES. I KNOW IT'S THE MAIN ONE FOR THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, BUT IT HAPPENS TO OTHER TIRZ, TOO, I GUESS WONDERING -- AND IT'S A STATE, I THINK, QUESTION AS WELL. 
          BUT WHAT THE EXTENT IS, BECAUSE I'M WONDERING, TOO, RIGHT, OKAY, IS THE GOAL OF THAT TIRZ AND IT GETS SHIFTED TO BE ABLE TO BE A POT OF MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS IN THAT AREA, GOOD OR BAD OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT, LIKE DOES THAT BOARD [INDISCERNIBLE] LOOKING AT THE EXACT AREA IT'S IN. I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST -- I'M VOICING OUT LOUD WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE. I UNDERSTAND THE SILOED POINT, WELL THEN IT JUST BECOMES TOO MUCH FOCUSED HERE, BUT THAT'S THE POINT OF IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, TOO. 
          >> KAUR: AND I GUESS TO CLARIFY, WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS IN AN AREA, IS IT JUST THE PERSON LIVING RIGHT IN THAT AREA -- 
          AUDIO] -- >> GALVAN: YEAH. >> KAUR: UNLESS IT'S HOUSING. IF IT'S HOUSING, IT CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, IT YE GENERALLY -- HOUSING OR PUBLIC ASSEMBLY CAN HAPPEN ANYWHERE, BUT MOST OF IT, IF IT'S A DEVELOPMENT, HAS TO OCCUR WITHIN THE BOUNDARY, BUT IT JUST COMES TO US, LIKE QUESTION OF LIKE HOW DO WE APPOINT, WHO GETS THE AUTHORITY TO APPOINT, AND HOW IS THAT MORE 
          REPRESENTATIVE. >> GALVAN: YEAH. OKAY. 
          I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT A BIT MORE. 
          JUST VOICING MY THOUGHTS AT THE MOMENT. I GUESS JUST A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS I HAD FOR STAFF. ON THE PRO FORMAS THAT WE DO FOR THE FUNDING, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE -- E GUESS, LIKE, -- I'M THINKING ABOUT FOR CLAUSES, RIGHT? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE WAYS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVES THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT? 
          THIS IS FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION. >> WE TYPICALLY REQUEST A PRO FORMA FROM EACH DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT LOOKS AT ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEIR SOURCES AND USES ARE, WHAT THEIR PROJECT IS, HOW MUCH FUNDING BEYOND THE TIRZ HAVE THEY BEEN ABLE TO ACCUMULATE AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING FOR THE PROJECT AND WHAT THEIR ULTIMATE COSTS ARE AND WHAT THAT GAP IS. THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE THE BUT FOR. 
          AND IN SOME CASES THE BUT FOR WOULD CHANGE THE PROJECT. 
          SO BUT FOR THE TIRZ, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO A PROJECT, IT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT. AND IT MAY NOT INCLUDE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE, AND SO -- AND I THINK THIS IS PRETTY RELEVANT FOR PETITION DEVELOPER INITIATED TIRZ, OFTENTIMES BEING ABLE TO CREATE THAT TIRZ, AND THOSE ARE MOSTLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT THAT TIRZ ALLOWS THEM TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN USE THAT FUNDING SOURCE TO BRING DOWN THE HOME PRICES TO AN AFFORDABLE LEVEL. SO COULD THEY POTENTIALLY BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO. 
          IT WOULD BE VERY TIGHT, AND IT WOULD BE AT AFFORDABLE LEVELS, AND SO 
          THE TIRZ ALLOWS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. >> GALVAN: OKAY. 
          THAT'S HELPFUL. I GUESS I'M WONDERING HOW -- HOW DEEP DO THEY GO? I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP I WANT THEM TO GO EITHER, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPER-INITIATED TIRZ, I'M THINKING ABOUT A LARGE DEVELOPER THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT -- A NATIONAL COMPANY, HAS SIGNIFICANT ASSETS, I GUESS HOW ARE WE ABLE TO -- IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE ABLE TO DISPLAY PRETTY CLEARLY, WE CAN DO THIS TO YOUR POINT WOWS -- [INDISCERNIBLE] I'M REPEATING WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING TO ME. 
          I GUESS I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I'M ASKING IT AS WELL. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] WITHOUT ANY SUBSIDY, THAT MAY BE CORRECT, BUT IT ALSO BE WHAT'S THE BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THAT, I THINK BEING ABLE TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, DIFFERENT PROBLEMS IN PARTICULAR THAT ARE MAYBE MORE HOT TOPIC THAN OTHER ONES.  IT'S HELPFUL TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND, BE ABLE TO SHOWCASE, I DON'T KNOW -- I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO COMMUNICATION ON IT, BUT ALSO FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT IN THEIR OWN WAY, ARE ANY OF THOSE -- THOSE APPLICATIONS OR THE PRO FORMAS PRESENTED PUBLICLY OR ACCESSIBLE ONLINE? I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP YOU CAN GET INTO THAT EITHER WITHOUT IT BEING TOO MUCH IN THEIR OWN PORTFOLIO. 
          >> FIRST I'LL SAY -- THAT'S A GOOD POINT. ON MY REVIEW SLIDE, WE DO A LOT AND WE DO A LOT WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
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WE LOOK AT THEIR PRO FORMA AND WE ULTIMATELY LOOK AT DOING THAT BUT FOR TEST, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC PURPOSE, WHAT IS THE BENEFIT, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IS THAT PROJECT THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR PROJECTED AND WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION IS. THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT WORK TOGETHER WHEN WE EVALUATE PROJECTS. THE PRO FORMA, IT KIND OF DEPENDS. 
          WE DON'T TYPICALLY POST THOSE ON LINE AND OFTENTIMES DEVELOP IRES DEVELOPERS LIKE TO KEEP THOSE CONFIDENTIAL BECAUSE THEY'RE DEVELOPMENT DATA. SO OFTENTIMES WE SEND THOSE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO DETERMINE IF THEY CAN BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          >> GALVAN: OKAY. >> BUT ULTIMATELY, WE DO THAT REVIEW AND WE PRESENT TO COUNCIL KIND OF A HIGH-LEVEL REVIEW OF WHAT THOSE FINANCIAL TION STATE AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED OFF OF THOSE. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] OTHER AREAS, I NOT PROCUREMENT, BUT ADDING SIMILAR WAYS THAT WE GO ABOUT SEEKING FINANCIAL INFORMATION, POSTED TO THE PUBLIC -- I MEAN, IT IS PRIORITY INFORMATION, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT ARE WE DOING, WHY ARE WE ACCEPTING THESE FOLKS, USUALLY IT'S BECAUSE OF A LARGER THOROUGH PROCESS. THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AT THE 
          MOMENT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> MUNGIA: I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT, COUNCILMAN, MOST OF THE DEVELOPER-INITIATED TIRZ YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I THINK THEIR ABILITY TO BRING LATERAL IS HELPFUL, BUT ALSO THEY'RE INSTALLING THE LATERAL FOR THEIR OWN PROPERTIES FOR THE HOMES BUT THEY'RE PAYING THE SAWS IMPACT FOLKS. 
          IN D4, A LOT OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED THROUGH DEVELOPER-INITIATED TIRZ, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE AS EASILY OR THE COST WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO MUCH FOR THAT MARKET, SO THAT'S A COMPLICATED THING THAT I THINK YOU SEE ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S HONESTLY, IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THOSE TIRZ BECAUSE THESE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, MIDDLE-CLASS, MAYBE SLIGHTLY UNDER THAT FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THOSE HOMES, SO IT'S BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE, I THINK. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK. LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TO NOT HAVE THE TIRZ, HOW MUCH WOULD YOU BE SELLING THESE HOMES FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE R4S, RIGHT, SO THEY'RE SMALLER LOT SIZE AND ALL 
          THAT. COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO? >> CASTILLO: THANK YOU. 
          IAN, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THINK TO ADDRESS THE -- THINK IF IT'S NEEDS TO BE BLATANTLY STATED, EXPLICITLY STATED THAT FOLKS SHOULD RECUSE IF AN ITEM OF A BOARD OR ANY INTEREST THAT THEY MAY HAVE, THAT THEY SHOULD BE RECUSING THEMSELVES FROM THAT ITEM. 
          AND THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IF STAFF SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THE BOARD IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE AMPO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE IT'S THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, TRANSPORTATION AND THE GUIDANCE THAT'S PROVIDED THERE FOR THE LARGER SCALE LIKE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN THE REGION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WITH LARGER PROJECTS, AND I'M THINKING, LIKE BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, I THINK -- I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR THE LARGER COUNCIL CONVERSATION ON THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INSTANCES IN WHICH STAFF DOES RECUSE THEMSELVES OR IS THERE AN ADVISORY ROLE VERSUS A VOTING MEMBER. 
          AGAIN, BECAUSE I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT, LIKE, YOU ALL ANSWER TO THE CITY MANAGER VERSUS CONSTITUENTS. SO LIKE OUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHOSE GOING TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE IS VERY DIFFERENT. 
          THEY BOTH CAN FIRE US AND THEY HIRE US AS WELL, SO I DO THINK FOLKS -- CITY STAFF SHOULD -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF AN ADVISORY ROLE VERSUS A VOTING ROLE WITHIN TIRZ. I'M ALSO CURIOUS IN TERMS OF JUST THE OVERALL MAKEUP. I THINK WHAT'S CURRENTLY WORKING IS WITHIN TIRZ, THERE'S A SECOND COUNCILMEMBER WHO'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THAT EXISTING TIRZ AND I THINK THE VALUE IN THAT IS THERE'S A RIPPLE EFFECT IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT INCREASE INCREMENT AND THOSE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO IMPACT AND RIPPLE OUT INTO, VERSUS OPENING IT WIDE TO SOMEONE FROM CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT X, FOR EXAMPLE, WHO, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE A TIRZ, BUT, AGAIN, RIGHT, TIRZ IS TO HELP FACILITATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR UNDERSERVED AND BLIGHTED AREAS SO THE NEED AND UNDERSTANDING IS VERY DIFFERENT. SO I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN HAVING THOSE THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THE TIRZ, BUT I DO ALSO THINK SOME TYPE OF STANDARDIZED PROCESS FOR APPLICANTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SUBMITTING TO THE TIRZ. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PROJECTS, RIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOME WERE TO COME TO THE WEST SIDE TIRZ FOR A MARKET RATE SUBSIDY, IT WOULD BE A NONSTARTER, BUT I THINK ALLOWING THE BOARD TO TELL THEM NO, THERE'S VALUE IN THAT AS WELL 
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VERSUS -- BUT THEN I ALSO UNDERSTAND LIKE THE VALUE OF STAFF TIME AND NEEDING TO PREPARE FOR THAT JUST FOR IT TO BE VOTED DOWN, BUT THOSE ARE MY TWO THOUGHTS ON THE MAKEUP AND THE CONFLICT ISSUE. I THINK THERE WOULD ALSO BE VALUE, AND THIS COULD BE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION, UNDERSTANDING WHO'S CONTRIBUTING TO WHICH TIRZ, RIGHT? I'M THINKING ABOUT THE WEST SIDE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY CONTINUES TO SOME, BUT NOT THE WEST SIDE. 
          HOW CAN WE SIT WITH THEM AND ASK THEM TO CONTRIBUTE SO THAT WAY IT'S EQUAL AND WE'RE NOT SEEING DIVESTED AREAS CONTINUE BEING SHORTCHANGED, RIGHT? THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE FOR US TO CONVENE IN IF WE CAN WITH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY. 
          BUT ALSO JUST HAVING A LARGER UNDERSTANDING OF THE LANDSCAPE OF WHO'S CONTRIBUTING TO WHICH TIRZ, RIGHT, AND WHY OR WHY NOT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. BUT THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER MEZA 
          GONZALEZ? >> GONZALEZ: I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST REALLY WANT TO I GUESS -- I'M TRYING TO THINK. I REALLY JUST WANT TO AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ALIGNMENT LOOKS LIKE AND AS FAR AS JUST THE PRIORITY AND GOALS, I APPRECIATE THAT EVERY PROJECT IS WEIGHED ON ITS OWN MERITS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT KEEPS IT A PUBLIC TOOL. 
          IT'S A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX, BUT IT KEEPS THAT, FOR ME, AS A PUBLIC TOOL, NOT HAVING TIRZ IN MY DISTRICT. AND I UNDERSTAND -- IN ANOTHER TIRZ THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW WE COULD INCLUDE THEM IN MORE OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WEST SIDE CREEKS AND YOUR TIRZ, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD CONVERSATION. 
          THAT'S ALL. THANKS. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. 
          ANYBODY ELSE ON SECOND ROUND? SO I THINK THE PLAN, AND I CAN ASK STAFF TO COMMENT ON IT, I THINK TAKING SOME OF OUR FEEDBACK, GOING TO OUR COLLEAGUES AND ASKING THEM ON SOME FEEDBACK AND THEN COMING BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AT SOME POINT, MAYBE AFTER THE HOLIDAYS FOR YOU, IAN, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF WORK. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT A TIRZ THAT'S DOING GOOD WORK OR FINANCIAL, SO JUSTINE, DO YO JUSTINA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? 
          ELSE. >> TATE: NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE NEXT STEPS. 
          THE BOARDS ARE ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE, SO IF WE WOULD START MAKING CHANGES, WE WOULD CHANGE THOSE ORDINANCES AS WELL. 
          BUT WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF, WORK INTERNALLY, GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK 
          AND THEN COME BACK AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE] FROM MY UNDERSTAND LOOKING AT OTHER TAXING ENTITIES, THEIR PARTICIPATION IN CERTAIN TIRZ, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST REACH OUT AND ENGAGE SOME INTEREST. SOME ENTITIES HAVE REACHED OUT AND SAID THERE MAY BE SOME INTEREST, SO WE'LL 
          CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT. >> MUNGIA: I THINK MAYBE THIS COMMITTEE CAN JUST GET A BRIEFING ON THE ANNUAL BASIS. 
          SOME TIRZ WILL MEET LIKE TWO, THREE, FIVE PLUS YEARS AND SO NOT EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING FREQUENTLY, BUT MAYBE WE CAN GET AN ANNUAL BRIEFING, THESE ARE THE BALANCES, THE CURRENT BOARD, JUST LIKE A LITTLE SOMETHING TO HELP WITH THAT, I THINK, WOULD BE GOOD. 
          YEAH, AWESOME. GREAT. YES? 
          >> THE CITY CLERK DOES CONNECT AN ANNUAL REPORT FROM ALL TIRZ AND THEY DO PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT. THAT COMES AT THE END OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR AND THOSE ARE DISTRIBUTED TO THE FULL COUNCIL. 
          IF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE A BRIEFING ON ALL THOSE TIRZ, THEN WE CAN WORK WITH IAN'S TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS DONE. 
          >> MUNGIA: SURE. MAYBE IN A LIGHTER FORMAT, BUT, YES. 
          YEAH, COUNCILMAN GALVAN IN. >> GALVAN: JUST ON THAT POINT, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO ALSO HAVE IT HERE IN A PRESENTATION LEVEL, BUT I ALSO THINK IF WE CAN JUST PUT IT ON THE WEST SIDE OF EACH TIRZ, I DON'T WEBSITE EACH TIRZ. THAT MAY BE TOO MUCH -- 
          >> MUNGIA: MAYBE A DASHBOARD. >> GALVAN: I DIDN'T SAY 
          ALL THAT. A LINK. >> MUNGIA: THAT WOULD BE GREAT, TOO. THAT WAS JUST FOR BRIEFING. 
          ITEM FIVE IS A BRIEFING ON THE JONES AVENUE MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WITHIN MID TOWNS TIRZ. I KNOW STAFF HAS A 
          PRESENTATION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. SO, YES, WE'LL HAVE A BRIEFING ON THE JONES AVENUE MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WHICH IS WITHIN THE MID TOWN TIRZ. DURING THE 2023 LEDGE STATIVE SESSION FIR THIS WAS CREATED BY HOUSE BILL 5399. 
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THIS DISTRICT COVERS APPROXIMATELY 6 ACRES AT THE CORNER OF CAMDEN STREET AND JONES AVENUE WITHIN THE MIDTOWN TIRZ. PRIOR TO BEING ACQUIRED BY THE MCCOMB'S FAMILY PARTNERS LIMITED IN JANUARY OF 2023 THIS SITE WAS OWNED BY CPS ENERGY. THE MMD WAS CREATED TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS FOR PLANNED AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND ON AUGUST 6TH OF THIS YEAR, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED PLACING THE MMD ON THE -- AUDIO] -- AND BONDING MEASURES. THE DEVELOPER SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO THE MIDTOWN TIRZ FOR THE PROJECT AND -- WHICH INCLUDES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OF BOTH RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACE, OTHER SPACES TO INCLUDE POSSIBLE PARK, COMMUNITY SPACE AND PUBLIC ART, PARKING STRUCTURE AS WELL AS INTO INCLUDE POTENTIAL RIVERWALK IMPROVEMENT CONNECTIONS. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO EXPLORING POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS WHICH MAY BE LOCATED OFFSITE. 
          SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION, HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR MORE INFORMATION. 
          WE JUST RECEIVED FOLLOW-UP INFORMATION ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING WITH OUR FINANCE TEAM, WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THE PROJECT PROPOSAL AND THE PRO FORMA. WE'VE AGREED THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS NEEDED TO FINALIZE OUR REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR FUNDING OPTIONS. THIS EFFORT AND ANALYSIS WILL BE COMPLETED IN CONJUNCTION WE VALUATING THE MIDTOWN TIRZ TERMINATION DATE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY SET FOR 2060. 
          AND STAFF WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY TERMINATE THE TIRZ SOONER. ANY POTENTIAL PROJECT RECOMMENDATIONS WILL COME BACK TO PCDC NEXT MONTH, AND OF COURSE WILL REQUIRED MIDTOWN TIRZ BOARD APPROVAL AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AFTER THAT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS HERE, TOO. 
          >> MUNGIA: OH, GREAT. I WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE TEAM COME UP IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD IN A SUCCINCT WAY. 
          >> I'D SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT THAT'S QUICKLY LEAVING US, SO ALMOST GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TWO COMMENTS TO START. 
          FIRST, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COUNCILMEMBERS AND STAFF FOR THE GOOD WORK ON THIS PROJECT. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR SEVEN, GOING ON EIGHT MONTHS NOW, AND IT'S AN IMPACTFUL PROJECT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. BUT WANTED TO SAY THANKS FOR THE DILIGENCE AND FOCUS ON WHAT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. 
          SECOND COMMENT IS AS OUR CITY LEADERS, YOU GUYS ARE AT A CRITICAL POINT YOU'RE HAVING TO MAKE DECISIONS IN THE MIDST OF A CITY SHORTFALL, AND I COMMEND YOU FOR STILL MAINTAINING A FOCUS ON THE CITY NEEDS THAT DON'T CHANGE WHEN THERE'S A SHORTFALL OF DOLLARS. AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL TOUCH ON TODAY IS PROJECTS THAT CAN MOVE FORWARD AND GENERATE SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS TO MEET NEEDS THAT OUR BROADER CITY STILL REQUIRES. FOR EXAMPLE, TO SUPPORT HOUSING ACROSS THE BROADER CITY. SO WITH THAT, LET ME SPEAK FOR JUST A MOMENT TO ILLUSTRATE THE PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON ON THE FORMER CPS SITE. SO LET ME TAKE A HALF STEP BACK AND ORIENT ALL OF US. THIS IS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE PURCHASED FROM CPS A COUPLE YEARS AGO. PRIOR TO OUR PURCHASE, IT WAS A TAX-EXEMPT AND VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAD NOT BEEN UTILIZED FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND SO GOING FROM $0 OF TAX BENEFIT TO SOME MEANINGFUL AMOUNT OF TAX BENEFIT TODAY, AND I'LL GET TO THE DOLLARS AND CENTS AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, BUT JUST WANT TO ILLUSTRATE THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT ECONOMIC DISPARITY, THERE'S ALSO A LACK OF COHESIVENESS AS WE TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROJECTS THAT ALIGN WITH CITY INITIATIVES AND BROADER TIRZ INITIATIVES. 
          PEARL HAS DONE TREMENDOUS WORK, THE SAN ANTONIO MUSEUM OF ART IS ONE OF OUR GREAT CIVIC INSTITUTIONS AND THE RIVER, FRANKLY, IS THE REASON WE'RE ALL HERE. AND SO THIS PROJECT HAD BEEN KIND OF THE BREAK IN THAT BEAUTIFUL CHAIN OF ITEMS, AND SO ONE OF OUR STATED GOALS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEAVE THIS AREA TOGETHER WITH A REALLY THOUGHTFUL PROJECT -- AGO, WE'RE FOCUSED ON RETAIL AND OFFICE PROJECT. 
          WE'VE BROUGHT TOGETHER A REALLY THOUGHTFUL GROUP OF ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS TO HELP US COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS UNIQUE AND SPECIFIC TO SAN ANTONIO. WE'VE GOT ARCHITECTS FROM SAN ANTONIO AND FROM AUSTIN COLLABORATING TO HELP US ON THIS PROJECT. SO THIS IS A SENSE, I'M JUST GOING TO FLASH THROUGH A COUPLE OF VISUALS. 
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ALMOST EVERYBODY HERE HAS SEEN THESE VISUALS, BUT JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A VERY THOUGHTFUL PROJECT FROM A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE, VERY WALKABLE, LOTS OF COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES, REALLY INTENDED TO EMBRACE THE HERITAGE OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE CONNECTION TO THE RIVER AND TO THE MEUM MUSEUM OF ART. THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF A GATHERING SPACE, MATERIALS ARE ALL LOCAL OR HAVE LOCAL TIES AND SO THAT WAY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE PROJECT, YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRULY IN SOMETHING THAT WAS DESIGNED FOR SAN ANTONIO TO BE PROUD OF. ONE OF THE REALLY IMPORTANT ELEMENTS FOR US IS EMBRACING THE RIVER, RIGHT? SO THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT MADE BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY YEARS AGO TO EXTEND THE RIVER NORTH. AND THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE RIVER THAT OUR LOCAL SAN ANTONIANS ENJOY AND EXPERIENCE FREQUENTLY. AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR PROJECT EMBRACES THE RIVER. WE'VE WORKED REALLY THOUGHTFULLY WITH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY AND FRANKLY, THEY'VE BEEN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. THEY'RE EXCITED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT, BOTH IN TERMS OF THEIR TIME, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF THEIR TAX INCREMENT AND SO WE'VE BEEN DESIGNING WAYS TO INTERFACE WITH THE EXISTING TRAIL SYSTEM AS WELL AS DESIGN A PLANTSCAPE THAT ALIGNS WITH THEIR MAINTENANCE GOALS AND SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES. 
          SO THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE WANT TO EMBRACE WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM AS REALLY THE BACKBONE OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          SO ONE OF OUR -- I WOULD CALL IT LOFTY AMBITIONS IS TO TAKE WHAT IS AN UNDER-HIGHWAY AREA THAT REALLY STOPS THE MOMENTUM -- ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU'VE GOT THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF PEARL AND PULLMAN AND THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS OUR DEVELOPMENT INTO THE MUSEUM OF ART, MOST OF THIS HAS BEEN USED FOR PARKING. 
          AND IT'S AN EFFICIENT USE, BUT WE THINK THERE'S A HIGHER AND BETTER USE THAT DELIVERS GREATER PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND THIS IS NOT THE EASY PATH, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY WITH TXDOT AND WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THANKS TO CITY STAFF FOR HELPING US FACILITATE THAT PROCESS, AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON CREATING A PARK ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL HAVE SOME PARKING, WHICH INCREASES ACCESSIBILITY, REALLY IMPORTANT ELEMENT IN THIS PART OF SAN ANTONIO, IT WILL HAVE A GATHERING SPACE, BUT IT WILL ALSO HAVE AN INTERFACE WITH THE TRAIL SYSTEM, AND WE'LL TAKE A VIEW OF THAT IN JUST A MOMENT WHILE WE MEANDER JUST DOWN THE RIVER AND WE TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO EMBRACE THE EXISTING RIVER. WE'VE WORKED WITH LISA WONG AND HOPE ANDRADE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT GREAT CONNECTIVITY WITH WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW CONNECTION TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH LOCALS AND OUR TOURISTS CAN ACCESS THE SITE AND THE RIVER AS THEY DO THROUGH THE HORSESHOE AND CONTINUE UP INTO RIVER NORTH. SO THIS IS THE OTHER VIEW OF THE PARK THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DEMONSTRATING. 
          WE'VE HAD A WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SAN ANTONIO MUSEUM OF ART. ART IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF OUR PROJECT, IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACE. 
          I THINK WE'VE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF BRIGHTENING UP THE FISH. 
          THEY WERE CLEANED RECENTLY AND THEY ONCE LOOKED THAT GOOD AND THEY'LL LOOK THAT GOOD AGAIN SOON, I'M SURE, BUT THIS IS THE TRAILER SYSTEM INTERFACE. THIS IS A GATHERING SPACE. 
          WE VIEW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROGRAMMING -- AUDIO] -- AND DO. AND THEN ONE OF THE FINAL PIECES I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. THIS WAS RECENTLY DONE AT PERRL. PEARL. THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE THE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN PEARL'S WORK, OUR PROJECT AND THE MUSEUM OF ART. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE THINK WE'RE SORT OF THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT, IF YOU WILL, TO KENTUCKY THIS CULTURAL CORRIDOR SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING SO AND CREATING AND INVITING PASSAGEWAY BY DAY AND ALSO BY NIGHT, BECAUSE SECURITY CAN BE A CONCERN, AND SO LIGHTING AT NIGHT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING SECURITY IN A VERY DILIGENT, FOCUSED WAY IS SOMETHING WE'RE VERY, VERY FOCUSED ON. SO LET ME TAKE JUST A SECOND TO HIT ON A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS THAT I FEEL LIKE I'VE HEARD SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS ON IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE WORKED ON WITH STAFF FOR SOME TIME. THE FIRST, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TOUCH ANY OF THE INCREMENT THAT EXISTS AT MIDTOWN TODAY. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GREAT PROJECTS THAT'S CREATED THAT INCREMENT, OUR ENTIRE PROJECT HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON PARTICIPATING THE INCREMENT THAT WE DELIVER AT OUR OWN RISK GOING FORWARD. 
          THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE FIRST TWO QUESTIONS. AND OUT OF THE TOTAL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AT BEST, IF EVERYTHING 
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GOES WELL, WE ONLY RECEIVE HALFBACK OVER TIME. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ASKING THE CITY TO TAKE FINANCIAL RISK. 
          THIS IS COMPLETELY OUR RISK. ONE OF THE REASONS WE SET UP THE MMD, WHICH WAS HIGHLIGHTED A MOMENT AGO, IS IT ALLOWS US TO GO SELL BONDS PUTTING NO CREDIT RISK OR NO ASK OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY RELEVANT AT A TIME LIKE THIS. FINALLY, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO GENERATE INCREDIBLE SALES TAX. IT'S GOING TO BE A RETAIL-FOCUSED PROJECT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SUCCESSFUL RETAIL-FOCUSED PROJECTS CAN DO, AND SO AT THIS POINT, WHILE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY CREATIVE THOUGHT AND WE HAD THE CONVERSATION BEFORE, THE CURRENT CONVERSATION DOES NOT HAVE US PARTICIPATING IN SALES TAX. IMPORTANT TO NOTE, AUSTIN, HOUSTON AND DALLAS ALL HAVE STRUCTURES WHERE THEY USE SALES TAX TO INCENTIVE PROJECTS THAT ULTIMATELY HELP THE CITY. AND THEN FINALLY JUST TO REAFFIRM, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY UP FRONT FROM THE CITY. 
          SO GOING BACKWARDS FOR A BRIEF MOMENT AND THEN WE'LL WRAP, IN 2022 BEFORE WE CLOSED ON THE PROJECT, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS TAX EXEMPT. 
          SO IT EARNED NO MONEY FOR THE CITY, NO MONEY FOR SAISD WHICH IS A REALLY IMPORTANT INSTITUTION THAT NEEDS FUNDING AND GENERATED NO SALES TAX. 
          TODAY,  AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM CPS, WE GENERATE MEANINGFUL TAX DOLLARS FOR THE CITY, MEANINGFUL PROBABLY TAX CONTRIBUTES TO SAISD AND WITH OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD, WE PROJECT TO CONTRIBUTE INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL TO THE TUNE OF NORTH OF $160 MILLION TO BE USED FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE SAISD. SO WITH THAT, JUST WANTED TO OUTLINE. 
          THANK YOU. >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT EXTRA CONTEXT. AND I DID SEE TROY ELLIOTT SNEAK IN THE BACK, CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION, TROY. SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. IT'S ABOUT THE INCREMENT, SO WE DID HAVE A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO AND WHAT WE SAW ON THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL GAVE TO MIDTOWN AND COUNCILWOMAN KAUR, YOU WERE THERE, SO YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I SAY ANYTHING WRONG, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE WITHOUT THIS PROJECT INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS, IF WE HAD ENDED THIS TIRZ IN 2060, AFTER WE'VE DID THE CONTRIBUTIONS WE DID TO THE FOLKS WE APPROVED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS ABOUT A $500 MILLION INCREMENT COLLECTED THAT WAS UNCOMMITTED. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? >> ELLIOTT: YEAH, THROUGH THE BALANCE OF 2060, ANYTHING ABOVE THE COMMITMENTS IS A LITTLE OVER $500 MILLION. 
          >> MUNGIA: AND IF THIS PROJECT IS -- DOES GET APPROVED WITHIN THE MIDTOWN TIRZ, IS THIS PROJECT COLLECTING ON THE 500 MILLION? 
          >> ELLIOTT: NO, SIR. WE'RE ANTICIPATING -- DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD TO DATE IS MAKING THE JONES PROPERTY A SUBZONE, SO THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE 500 MILLION. MUPGZ MUNGSZ SO THEY WOULD BE COLLECTING ON WHAT THEY PRODUCE ON THEIR PROPERTY VERSUS THE COLLECTIVE TIRZ. AND IS THAT -- I GUESS THE OTHER FOLKS THAT GOT 
          MONEY OR NOT, SUBZONES, CORRECT IN. >> ELLIOTT: NO, SIR, THEY'RE PART OF THE ACTUAL MIDTOWN TIRZ AND THEY PARTICIPATE AS A 
          WHOLE. >> MUNGIA: I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT FOLKS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT ALSO IS POSSIBLE, RIGHT, AND WE'RE GETTING THE ANALYSIS ON ENDING IT EARLY AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT THAT PIECE, BUT IF WE WERE TO KEEP IT AT 2060, HAVE THEM IN THERE, COLLECT A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS, WE COULD BE USING THAT HALF A BILLION DOLLARS FOR A LARGER PUBLIC PURPOSE. 
          >> ELLIOTT: THAT'S CORRECT. >> MUNGIA: SO WE WANT A HOSPITAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WE COULD BUY LAND FOR THAT, PUBLIC PURPOSE. IF WE WANTED TO INVEST IN ALL THE PARKS WITHIN 410, 
          WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH $500,000. >> ELLIOTT: YEAH, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE TIRZ WOULD NOT BE ENDED PRIOR TO 2060, THAT BALANCE 
          WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER PURPOSES. >> AND COULD YOU USE -- 
          >> MUNGIA: I THINK COUNCILWOMAN KAUR TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, SO I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HER THUNDER, BUT USING THAT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PURPOSES, THEY COULD OFFSET A 2,027 BOND ASK. 
          >> ELLIOTT: WE WOULD HAVE TO EXPLORE THE  MECHANISM TO DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD 
          BE AVAILABLE. >> MUNGIA: SO I THINK PUTTING THEM IN THE CALCULATION IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS. I ALSO THINK SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT MUCH, AND I BRIEFLY MENTIONED IT TO YOU ALL AND I KNOW THE CITY MANAGER IS NOT A FAN OF IT, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTU FUTURE -- AUDIO] -- GET -- RIGHT, IF WE ENDED THE TIRZ EARLY FOR THESE -- YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE ENDED EARLY AND THAT INCREMENT COLLECTION AS WELL FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT, DOING A PARTIAL SALES TAX ABATEMENT COULD HELP END THE TIRZ EARLY AND IT'S REVENUE THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING ON THEIR PROPERTY. I'M ALSO -- I'M CURIOUS TO DIVE INTO THIS DEEPER, NOT JUST FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT FOR OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, IS BECAUSE SALES TAX ABATEMENTS IS REALLY PUTTING THE RISK IN MY MIND ON THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO SELL AND MAKE THE SALES TAX HAPPEN TO GET REIMBURSED FOR WHAT THEIR 
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THINGS ARE, RIGHT? SO IN THE WAY THAT THE DEAL IS STRUCTURED FOR THE ARENA, RIGHT, THE SPURS HAVE TO MAKE VALUE INCREASE THERE, IF THEY DON'T MAKE THAT HAPPEN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THE MONEY FORWARD. 
          SAME THING WITH BASEBALL, RIGHT? THAT'S BEEN -- THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER OF A TIMELINE NOW BECAUSE THE VALUES, I DON'T THINK ARE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE YET, BUT REAL QUICK, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? 
          >> ELLIOTT: SALES TAX WOULD BE DEDICATED BACK TO THE ZONE OR ABATED. 
          THAT BASICALLY ROBS FROM THE GENERAL FUND GOING FORWARD. 
          AND I THINK IT ALSO SETS -- >> 
          >> ELLIOTT: SIMILAR. >> MUNGIA: OKAY. >> ELLIOTT: BUT I ALSO THINK THAT SETS PRECEDENT MOVING FORWARD, AND TO THIS DATE WE'VE BEEN HESITANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT SALES TAX THAT'S BEING GENERATED WOULD BE SUPPORTING GENERAL FUND AND POTENTIALLY COST OF 
          SERVICES AS WELL. >> MUNGIA: YEAH. BUT I WOULD SAY PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS ARE THE SAME THING. IT'S A BUT FOR, WE'VE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED A TOYOTA DEAL THAT'S GOING TO ABATE THAT PROPERTY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. DO OTHER CITIES DO SALES ABATEMENTS? 
          >> ELLIOTT: BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN, THEY DO. SPECIFICALLY WHAT JOHN MENTIONED, BUT THEY DO USE -- 
          >> MUNGIA: HAS THAT BEEN SUCCESSFUL? >> ELLIOTT: I DON'T KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. I'VE NOT LOOKED AT EACH 
          CITY INDIVIDUALLY. >> MUNGIA: I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING, RIGHT, IF IT'S TOO LATE FOR THIS, I GET IT, BUT I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO EXPLORE IN THE FUTURE. BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING FOLKS BANK ON THEMSELVES FOR THAT, RIGHT, THE VALUES CAN INCREASE FROM PEOPLE NEXT DOOR TO THEM DOING INCREASES ON THEIR PROPERTY, THE VALUE CAN INCREASE. BUT MAKING PEOPLE ON THE HOOK FOR THEIR OWN STUFF, I THINK, IS HELPFUL. BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL TO ADD COMMENTS ON THIS. COUNCILWOMAN KAUR, DID YOU WANT TO -- TO -- ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK WE'RE ALL READY FOR LUNCH. COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO? OKAY. WELL, I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL INFORMATION. 
          SO LET'S SEE THE ANALYSIS WITH THEM INCLUDED IN IT AND LET'S HAVE A LARGER DISCUSSION ON SALES TAX ABATEMENT. COUNCIL, DID YOU WANT 
          TO -- GO AHEAD. >> I GU >> GONZALEZ: I DO HAVE 
          SOME CONCERNS ON THE SALES TAX ABATEMENT. >> TATE: AS STAFF, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND DOING SALES TAX ABATEMENTS, AND SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD COME BACK TO PRESENT THAT. I THINK OUR PRACTICE HAS NOT BEEN TO INCLUDE SALES TAX ABATEMENT AND LIKE TROY SAID, THAT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC DOLLARS GOING TO A 
          PUBLIC DEVELOPMENT -- OR TO A DEVELOPMENT. >> MUNGIA: YEAH. 
          AND I THINK MY -- AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GOING TO COME BACK, BUT I THINK THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INVESTMENT AND IF IT'S DIVERSIFIED IN DIFFERENT WAYS VERSUS TACKING ON MORE AND MORE PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE TIRZ, RIGHT? THAT IS MONEY THAT COULD BE COMING TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT'S BEING USED TO DO GREAT THINGS, PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENTS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME, THAT'S HOW WE DO OUR ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PLAN. AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT OPTION. SO I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD GET A -- AND IT'S ALSO ABOUT WHERE ARE WE PUTTING THE RISK ON, RIGHT? WHERE IS THE RISK AND THE DEALS ON THE DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO DO THAT VERSUS THE CITY. AND SO, AGAIN, THIS IS ALL MONEY THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING YET, RIGHT? PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT, WE'RE NOT -- SALES TAX, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM THEM YET. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING FOR THE 
          FUTURE. >> TATE: AND THAT IS -- WHEN WE DO OUR SALES TAX PROJECTION, WE DO ASSUME A GROWTH IN SALES TAX, SO WE ASSUME THAT OUR -- NOW WE'VE SEEN THAT DECLINE OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS, BUT WE DO ASSUME CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT AND CERTAIN GROWTH IN OUR SALES TAX, SO WE -- IN OUR FIVE-YEAR FORECAST, WE ASSUMED ABOUT 2 TO 3.5%, SO WE ARE CAPTURING SOME OF THAT GROWTH IN OUR FIVE-YEAR FORECAST. 
          >> MUNGIA: AND SOME GROWTH IN THE PROPERTY VALUES. 
          >> TATE: SURE. YEAH. >> MUNGIA: AGAIN. 
          WE'RE DOING BOTH THINGS FOR BOTH THINGS, SO I THINK WE SHOULD THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT... ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHTY. THE TIME IS NOW 12:15 AND THE PCDC COMMITTEE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK
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