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TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR OCTOBER 7TH, 2026.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? PRESENT.
WE HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFF FETZER, ACTING CHAIR.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER'S CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PRO PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
UH, FIRST NOTE, UH, JUST COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY HAS JOINED US VIRTUALLY AND SO WE HAVE HIM ONLINE AS WELL.
UM, FIRST LINE OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 16TH.
MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM THE DATE THAT COREY MENTIONED SEPTEMBER 16TH.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO AGENDA ITEMS, UH, ONE MORE ITEM IS THAT, UM, MR. CHAIR OR MR. FETZER IS OUR ACTING CHAIR IN THE ABSENCE OF CHAIRMAN GIBBS.
AND SO YOU HAVE A COUPLE RECUSALS ON CONSENT.
SO WE DO NEED TO ELECT A, AN ACTING RESIDING OFFICER IN YOUR ABSENCE IN THOSE RECUSALS.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY MOTIONS FOR 41 TO FILL THAT ROLE, I DO HAVE MOTION TO APPOINT LUKE HOLLAND.
ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? WE'LL JUST DO A QUICK ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA The consent agenda consists of items recommended by staff for approval or approval with stipulations that the applicant accepts. Any member of the public who would like to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and speak prior to the commission’s vote on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda to consider it individually. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
THANK YOU.UM, SO YOU CAN DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREENS.
WE HAVE, UM, 12 ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, WE WILL BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE HAVE COMMENTS FOR JUST ITEM NINE.
UM, SO IF YOU SIGNED IN TO SPEAK, I'LL CALL YOU UP AT THIS TIME.
UH, THE FIRST IS, UH, DEBORAH WALKER.
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MS. WALKER WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.STEVE WALKER IS WITH HER AND HAS YIELDED HIS TIME.
SO MS. WALKER, IF YOU WANNA COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS.
UH, ONE SCORE AND SEVEN YEARS AGO WE MOVED DOWN TO KING WILLIAM.
UH, WE AT OUR HOUSE TWICE 'CAUSE WE HAD A FIRE.
WE ARE NE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS TO THE CONWAYS, THE SUITE FAMILY AND, UH, ALL OF OUR LIVING SPACE.
UM, AND BIG WINDOWS OF COURSE FACE THEIR HOUSE.
AND, UM, THE IDEA THEY'VE DONE WELL.
BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING A PICKLEBALL, UH, COURT, UM, NEXT TO US, OUR LIVING SPACE, WHICH IS REALLY CLOSE, UM, IS KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO VETO THE PICKLEBALL COURT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PICKLEBALL PLACES ALL OVER, UH, SAN ANTONIO AND, AND SOME REALLY CLOSE.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A SOCIAL EVENT TO GO TO PICKLEBALL.
I MEAN, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST PICKLEBALL, BUT NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT AND THAT WE WELCOME THE CONWAYS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOPEFULLY, UH, MY HUSBAND, STEVE AND I, AND ALL OF US CAN BE REALLY GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THEM.
BUT, UM, THERE IS A, THERE IS A POINT.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JILL POPOVICH.
UM, I AM ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CONWAYS ALSO.
UM, AND, UM, DESIGN COOP ALSO DID OUR HOUSE.
AND, UM, WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN NOW FOR A WHILE WE'VE HAD A LONG REMODEL AND, UM, I HAD BIG PLANS AND LOTS OF IDEAS AND DESIGN COOP REALLY SHUT ME DOWN ON MOST OF THEM BECAUSE, UM, THEY REALLY TRIED TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC IN MIND AND I REALLY HAD TO PIVOT AND CHANGE MY, UH, PLAN.
AND SO I JUST THINK THE CONWAY'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND, AND IN WORKING WITH DESIGN COOP, I JUST WANNA SAY HOW MUCH THEY'RE IN.
THEY'RE SO CONSIDERATE OF THE HISTORIC AND OF THEIR NEIGHBORS AND, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, A BIG COMMUNITY AND GREAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT MY SUPPORT IN FOR THE, ALL THE STUFF THAT THEY'RE PLANNING.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN THE PLANS AND I THINK IT'S A NICE BLEND OF THE OLD AND THE NEW.
SO THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UH, WE HAVE 12 CASES ON THE CONSENT.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY FOR DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.
ANY OTHERS? YES, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM EIGHT.
AT THIS TIME I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE BALANCE OF THE, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.
AND COMMISSIONER HOLLAND WILL OFFICIATE LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER HAS LEFT THE ROOM.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT TO JINJA, PLEASE? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, REMAINING ITEMS ONE THREE THROUGH SEVEN 10 THROUGH 12 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? CAN WE HAVE A VOTE? MAMMON AYE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 3 26, 3 30 AND THREE 50 WEST JONES, ONE 15 PLAZA AAR UH, ALAMO PLAZA, PHASE 7 4 15 WIX 8 24 WEST MAGNOLIA, 2051 WEST MAGNOLIA, 1 25 WEST ASHBY 5 23 E ATCH, 2321 NORTH MAINE.
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YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
THE NEXT CASE WILL BE ITEM TWO, AND I WILL RECUSE FROM THAT ONE AS WELL.
[2. Address/Description: 250 E GRAYSON ST (735 AVENUE A) 300 E GRAYSON ST (734 AVENUE A) 732 AVENUE A (714 AVENUE A) 700 AVENUE A (622 AVENUE A) 303 PEARL PKWY / 307 PEARL PARKWAY / 715 AVENUE A HDRC Case No.: 2026-217 RIO District: RIO-2 Neighborhood Assn Name: Tobin Hill Community Applicant: Kristina Good/Oxbow Development Group Request: Demolition of a landmark, construction of nine, 1 and 2-story commercial structures, site and landscaping work City Council Dist.: 1 ]
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TWO 50 EAST GRAYSON, UH, AND A HANDFUL OF ADDRESSES, UH, ON EAST GRAYSON AVENUE A IN PEARL PARKWAY.UH, THE APPLICANT TEAM IS HERE IN PERSON, CHRISTINA GOODE.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER HAS LEFT THE ROOM.
IF Y'ALL GIVE ME A SECOND, I WILL PULL UP THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AS WELL, IF THOSE ARE NEEDED.
UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? COMMISSIONER, YES.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, PRIMARILY I'M NOT ACCUSTOMED TO, UH, A DEMOLITION BEING A CONSENT AGENDA.
SO IF IT, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, UH, ANYTHING THAT CAN BE TAKEN FROM IT BEING PULLED THAT I WOULD THINK THAT IT WAS, UM, CUSTOMARY, UH, FOR A DEMOLITION TO NOT FIND ITSELF ON A, ON A CONSENT AGENDA.
THE SCALE OF THE DEMOLITION, IT, IT, IT APPEARS WOULD BE, UH, OF THE SCALE THAT THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE OF, OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SO THIS IS TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT WHAT THEY PROPOSE, SO, SO THAT IT CAN BE ON THE, ON THE VIDEO RECORD, UH, PRIOR TO US HAVING DELIBERATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.
APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR MORE ABOUT OUR PROJECT.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU ALL HAVE TAKEN TO COME MEET WITH US.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED IS, UH, ROUGHLY 85,000 SQUARE FEET OF NEW RETAIL SHOPS THAT WILL, UH, START AT THE SOUTH END OF THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF GRAYSON STREET ON AVENUE A, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UM, ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF PEARL PARKWAY.
AND THE DEMOLITION THAT MR. VELAZQUEZ HAS REFERRED TO AS THE FORMER GARAGE BUILDING ON SITE AT PEARL.
AND THAT IS AN EXISTING 25,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE THAT AFTER STABLE HALL, UH, STOPPED BECOMING USED FOR HOUSINGS, UH, THE HORSES THAT DELIVERED BEER VIA HORSE AND CARRIAGE.
WE HAD A GARAGE BUILDING, IT'S NOT A PARKING GARAGE, BUT THIS WAS WHERE WE STORED ALL THE BEER TRUCKS AND IT WAS THE MECHANIC SHOP.
SO JUST BY NATURE OF THE USE, IT'S NOT, IT IS, IT IS A VERY INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WITH ITS BACK TURNED TO THE STREET.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE PHOTOS HERE, THAT EDWARD'S SHOWING YOU ON THE NORTHERN EDGE OF GRAYSON, THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING IS SEVERAL FEET OUT OF THE GROUND, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO CONNECT THAT FACADE TO INTERACT WITH THE PEDESTRIAN REALM.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM BETWEEN THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THAT BUILDING AND THE SIDEWALK TO GET A DA RAMPS THERE.
UM, IF WE WERE TO OPEN UP THAT FACADE, WE'D HAVE STRUCTURAL COMPLICATIONS, BUT THEN WE'D ALSO HAVE, UM, A COMPLETELY LOOK DIFFERENT LOOKING BUILDING THAT WOULDN'T HONOR ANY OF THE HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE.
AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE GRADE CHANGE AT THE SITE, THE SOUTHERN EDGE IS AT GRADE WHERE THE TRUCKS USED TO COME IN.
BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PHOTO HERE THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY TO MODIFY THE EXISTING BUILDING AND HAVE IT INTERACT WITH THE PEDESTRIANS IN THE WAY THAT WE HOPE TO, UH, ACHIEVE WITH OUR URBAN REDEVELOPMENT, UH, INTENTIONS AT PEARL, UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FINANCIAL ISSUES.
SO OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, WE'VE HAD ONE LEASE IN PLACE THERE.
UM, AND OUR OCCUPANTS WERE, UH, A FEW, UH, NONPROFITS THAT, THAT KIND OF USE THE SPACE AS FLEX OFFICE ON THE INSIDE.
OF COURSE, THE RETAIL EXPOSURE AND INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC WAS NOT REALLY NECESSARY FOR THEM TO OPERATE AS AN OFFICE USE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.
AND THE RENT THAT WE COULD GET WAS ONLY ENOUGH TO COVER OPERATING EXPENSES.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY NEGLIGIBLE REVENUE.
UH, ACTUALLY $48 TOTAL IS $12 A YEAR.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO EXPLORED SEVERAL DIFFERENT OTHER OPTIONS TO RE-TENANT THE BUILDING AS ADAPTIVE REUSE.
ONE WAS A BREWERY CONCEPT THAT WAS ACTUALLY PRESENTED TO HDRC AND GOT APPROVAL, BUT AFTER WE GOT THE PRICING BACK, THAT WAS A $28 MILLION PROJECT, UH, WHICH IS OVER $900 A FOOT, WHICH JUST, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
AND THE OTHER OPTION WAS TO HAVE A MULTI-TENANT OPERATION INSIDE FOR, FOR AN ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANT USE, UM, TO KIND OF BREAK IT UP INTO DIFFERENT ZONES TO MULTI-TENANT.
AND THAT PROJECT WAS $23 MILLION.
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ACTUALLY MORE AFFORDABLE TO, TO RAISE THE BUILDING AND START FRESH.AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR TRACK RECORD THAT WE DON'T TAKE DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES LIGHTLY.
WE HAVE TRIED TO SAVE THIS BUILDING AND TRIED TO FIND ANOTHER USE FOR IT IN ITS EXISTING FORMAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT JUST WASN'T DESIGNED TO INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC IN THE WAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, UM, TO SEE IT ACTIVATED.
SO, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING PERMISSION FOR DEMOLITION AND IRBY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? YEAH, JUST THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL FOR THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT IS TO REALLY CREATE AVENUE BY INTO A VERY ACTIVE, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREET AND TO REALLY ENHANCE THE RETAIL, UH, TENANCY.
AT, AT PEARL RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE IN PARKING LOTS.
SO THIS IS PRIMARILY REPLACING PARKING LOTS WITH, WITH NEW, UH, MULTI-USE BUILDINGS.
UH, THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, WE TRY, WE, YOU KNOW, DID A QUICK LOOK AT JUST WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE IT USABLE FOR RETAIL.
IT'S BOTH TOO LOW, TOO DEEP, TOO SEPARATED FROM THE NATURAL GRADE AROUND THE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALKS.
AND AFTER YOU MAKE ALL THOSE RENOVATIONS, THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH LEFT.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO A VERY COMPROMISED PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCES.
AS CHRISTINA WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE, THE SIDEWALKS ARE VERY NARROW.
THE, THERE ARE TELEPHONE POLES, UH, THE, THE USUAL IN SAN ANTONIO, THERE ARE TELEPHONE POLES, THERE ARE DRAIN LINES COMING DOWN FROM THE BUILDING.
THERE'S SORT OF SOME JUST RANDOM SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE AND PARKING METERS AND THINGS THAT MAKE IT OF, UH, VERY, VERY NARROW.
AND IN SOME CASES YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE 88 CLEARANCES.
SO THE NEW BUILDINGS WILL BE PUSHED BACK FROM THE CURB MORE TO PROVIDE A BETTER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
THEY'RE BROKEN UP TO PROVIDE BOTH A LITTLE BETTER, UH, SORT OF AN INTERIOR COURTYARD, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE ACTIVATED.
WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEREVER POSSIBLE WE'RE USING SALVAGE SALVAGE PIECES FROM THE BUILDING.
UH, WE THINK WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THE STRUCTURE FOR A, FOR A DIFFERENT SHADE STRUCTURE, UH, WINDOWS.
AND ANYTHING THAT'S, THAT WE'RE NOT USING FOR THIS PROJECT THAT'S SALVAGED WILL BE STORED FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.
AND YOU KNOW, TO HERBIE'S POINT, THAT INCLUDES THE BRICK, THE TRUSSES, WHICH AGAIN, WILL BE HOPEFULLY REUSED FOR A SHADE STRUCTURE WHERE WE HAVE THAT AS PART OF OUR DESIGN.
UM, TILE COPINGS, THE DOWNSPOUTS, THE BRICK STAMP, UH, THE STONE STAMP, UM, THE WINDOWS AND THE SKYLIGHTS.
SO AS MUCH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS GONNA GO INTO STORAGE FOR FUTURE REUSE.
AND ALSO, AS IRBY MENTIONED, THE CURRENT SIDEWALKS ALSO HAVE A LOT OF OBSTRUCTIONS.
THE TELEPHONE POLES BEING THE PRIMARY ONE.
AND IF THIS GETS APPROVED, OUR OBJECT, OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO ACTUALLY BURY ALL OF THE POWER LINES AND BEAUTIFY THAT PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY, BY TAKING ALL OF THAT UNDERGROUND AND GETTING THEM OUTTA THE SIDEWALKS.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CHAIR? YES.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING A DA, WHAT, UH, PLANS DO YOU HAVE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, UH, IT IS A DA FRIENDLY YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN GOING, UH, IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE
BUT AT THE MOMENT, THE LANDSCAPE PLANTS ARE, ARE, UM, KIND OF GELLING ABOUT HAVING BOTH A, UH, A, A PUBLIC SIDEWALK THAT THEN RAMPS UP TO BE AROUND THE, THE BUILDING WHERE WE NEED TO, ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE STREET THAT ALL BECOMES AT THE SAME GRADE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, JUST A NORMAL KIND OF CONNECTION BETWEEN THE, THE CURB AND THE LEVEL OF THE FLOOR.
IT'S, IT'S THE PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE THE MOST DIFFICULTY IS AT THE CORNER OF GRAYSON AND AVENUE A GOING AND THEN GOING DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER BECAUSE THE WHOLE STREET, OF COURSE, IS SLOPING TOWARDS THE RIVER.
SO THAT END OF THE BUILDING IS THE MOST DIFFICULT ONE FOR US TO DEAL WITH, AND THAT'S ONE REASON WE NEED TO MOVE SUBSTANTIALLY BACK FROM THE SIDEWALK TO GET THE, GET THE RAMPING IN AND STILL HAVE A SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE BUILDING AND HAVE SOME STREET TREES AND LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU'VE, UM, ADDRESSED THE LIGHTING SITUATION AS WELL.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE COMING, UH, THE FULL SITE LIGHTING IS STILL KIND OF IN FINAL, UH, FINAL DESIGN.
AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS IS THAT WE HAVE TO BRING THE LIGHTING PLAN BACK WHEN THAT'S FINISHED, ALONG WITH THE SIGN MASTER PLAN.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE STIPULATIONS.
SO YOU ACCEPT ALL THE STIPULATIONS? YES, WE DO.
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ON THE, YOU DID TOUCH ON THE DEMOLITION, THE SALVAGE PLAN, SO YOUR SALVAGE PLAN STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT.UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE USED ON THIS PROJECT? LIKE TO REALLY JUST KIND OF GO BACK TO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL OF THE BUILDING, LIKE SMALL SECTIONS? YEAH.
SO SOME OF THE WINDOWS WILL BE USED, UH, ON THE BUILDINGS IN FRONT OF THE STABLE HALL.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE USING SOME OF THE LARGER PANE WINDOWS THERE.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SKYLIGHT, UM, FOR, FOR ONE OF OUR TWO STORY BUILDINGS.
AND, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SKYLIGHT.
UM, AND THEN THE TRUSSES, LIKE WE SAID, UM, ARE THOSE 50 FOOT, THE 50 FOOT SPANS THAT WE'RE USING? YES.
UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN, IN THE DRAWING YOU'RE SEEING NOW, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SIT OVER THAT COURTYARD AREA AND PROVIDE A SHADE STRUCTURE THERE.
SO THEY'LL BE EXPOSED, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THERE TO PROVIDE SHADE AND, AND LIGHTING.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL DO A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS SECOND AND TO JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DEMOLITION FOR FINANCIAL BURDEN AND YOU DID SUBMIT ALL THE, YOUR RECORDS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS TRYING TO, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING ITSELF THAT WE'RE LOSING IS REALLY, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND THE DEMOLITION.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DECONSTRUCTION SALVAGE PLAN AND THE APPROVAL OF THE, OF THE REPLACEMENT THAT IS MOVING THIS FORWARD.
THE MOTION HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED.
UM, COMMISSIONER MAMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENT.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO ON THE RECORD AS SAYING THAT I THINK IT'S, UH, REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS BUILDING, UH, NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED FOR, UH, THE PURPOSES YOU'VE STATED.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, PART OF THE TASK OF AN ARCHITECT IS TO RISE TO THE OCCASION OF A CHALLENGE.
AND I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY INSTANCES OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PAROLE WHERE THERE WERE OTHER CHALLENGES WHERE THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO, UM, TEAR DOWN, UH, AN ENTIRE BUILDING.
UM, SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION OF TODAY, I JUST NEED TO GO ON THE RECORD AS STATING THAT, UM, GIVEN THAT THERE WERE THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, I THINK I'M GONNA HAVE TO AT LEAST OBJECT TO THE DEMOLITION OF THIS BUILDING.
I ALSO, I FIND THE STREET FACADE ON GRAYSON WITH THE ARCHED WINDOWS TO NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SIDE OF THE PEARL.
ALL OF THE OTHER WINDOWS, BOTH FOR THE BUILDING THAT, UM, CONTAINS, UH, THE FURNITURE PLACE AND THEN THE FULL GOODS BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? NOT FULL GOODS ISN'T.
ANYWAY, THAT EVEN, UH, MAKES ME THINK EVEN MORE THAT THOSE WINDOWS ARE MORE RECTANGULAR NATURE AND MORE INDUSTRIAL, MORE IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OR PURPOSE OF THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS AS A BREWERY.
UM, SO I ALSO FIND THOSE NOT TO BE APPROPRIATE.
WELL, I, I, UM, I CALL THE PROJECT OUT BECAUSE OF, UM, IT'S ODD THAT IT WOULD BE ON A CONSENT AGENDA THAT IT, IT REALLY SHOULD BE A PROJECT THAT TAKES SOME VIGOROUS, UM, INSPECTION AND A LITTLE BIT BEYOND DRC.
THERE'S A GENTLEMAN THAT BROUGHT AN APPLICATION TO MOVE A HOUSE, AND WE WERE VERY ADAMANT ABOUT HIM NOT EVEN MOVING THE HOUSE.
NOW THAT, THAT BEING SAID, IT MEANS THAT THE AREA IS A VERY, UH, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PRECIOUS AREA AND IT'S AN AREA THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO GENERATING INCOME AND, AND PROVIDING A GOOD, A GOOD, UH, A FUTURE FOR SAN ANTONIO'S ECONOMIC BASE.
SO I CAN RECOGNIZE HOW IMPORTANT THE PROJECT IS, IT'S SUCCESS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT, IT, IT ALSO BEGS TO, TO, TO, UM, I, I GUESS PUT PRESSURE ON THE CREATIVITY OF THE, OF IT.
NOW, NOW IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT AS PRESENTED, THE NEW PROJECT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, LOOKING AT AT, AT A TOTALLY QUALIFIED ARCHITECTS AND WHAT, HOW WOULD THEY NOT PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS THERE, IT, IT WOULD SEEM THAT THERE WOULD, WOULD BEG A CHALLENGE TO ADAPT OR TO,
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TO DECONSTRUCT OR TO, TO, TO FIND SOME ABSTRACTION OF WHAT IS THERE AND, AND AT THE VERY LEAST, TO ALLOW WHAT IS THERE TO LIVE, IF NOT WITHIN THE SHELL.UH, UH, BUT, BUT AS AN OUTGROWTH OF, OF, OF, OF NOT JUST SOME MEMORY THAT'S GONNA BE COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN, KEEPING IN MIND THAT THERE'S EVEN A STONE THERE THAT HAS THE DATE OF THE BUILDING THAT I WOULD REALLY THINK THAT IT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE TO BE, TO, TO ALLOW WHAT IS NEW, TO GROW OUT OF WHAT IS THERE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE A BLATANT DEMOLITION, IT JUST SEEMS THAT OBVIOUSLY, WHAT, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU WANT IF SOMEBODY ASKED YOU, YOU SAID, WELL, LET'S JUST TEAR IT DOWN AND START OVER.
SO I I, I JUST THINK THAT, THAT THIS, THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PRECEDENT HERE BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS THERE AND, UM, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY EFFORT TO, TO, TO ALLOW THAT BUILDING TO HAVE SOME PHYSICAL MEMORY.
SO IT'S UN IT'S UNFORTUNATE, I THINK.
COMMISSIONER MASUKA? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GROUP? NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER TSO, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENT.
CAN I CALL FOR A VOTE? MAMMON? AYE.
[8. Address/Description: 301 BARRERA HDRC Case No.: 2026-268 Historic District Name: Lavaca Neighborhood Assn Name: Lavaca Applicant: Stephen Williams/Texas Architecture Workshop Request: Construction of a 2-story, rear addition; Historic Tax Certification City Council Dist.: 1 ]
UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.IT'S 3 0 1 BARRERA, UH, THE APPLICANT AND ARCHITECTURE HERE IN PERSON.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
SO COMMISSIONER DAVIS, YOU PULLED THIS FOR QUESTIONS? I DID.
WELL, MR. CHAIR AGAIN, UM, I PULLED THIS PRIMARILY BECAUSE, UM, THIS IS THE INTERRUPTION OF A, OF A QUITE IMPORTANT FACADE, WHETHER IT'S SEEN FROM THE STREET OR NOT, IT SEEMS THAT THE, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT A HIGH LEVEL OF THE INTEGRITY OF THIS, OF THIS BUILDING IS FOUND IN THAT FACADE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, I RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THERE'S THE ABILITY TO, TO DO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED.
AND IT'S, AND, AND IT'S BALANCED AND IT'S WONDERFUL.
BUT I DO, I DO JUST WANT TO RECORD FOR THE, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR RECORD OF, OF COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.
THIS IS ITEM EIGHT, THIS IS RERA STREET.
IT'S NOT ITEM TWO, I MEAN ITEM TWO, UM, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ITEM NINE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL RESERVE THE COMMENTS.
UH, SO ITEM 8 3 0 1, RERA COMMISSIONER DAVIS? I, YES, I JUST, UM, AND, AND CAN I JUST SAY, I CAN'T GET THIS TO OPEN ON MY SCREEN TO REFERENCE, BECAUSE I HAD LOOKED AT IT EARLIER AND I PULLED IT JUST FOR THE DISPARITY KIND OF IN THE, IN THE BUILDING VERSUS LIKE A TWO STORY.
BUT, BUT, UM, JUST WHILE I HAVE THE MICROPHONE, IS ANYONE ABLE TO OPEN EIGHT? UH, YES.
I ASK THAT THIS BE PULLED, UM, BASED PARTLY ON THE OPPOSITION TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT SEEMS, UH, DISPARATE FROM THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND KIND OF THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I JUST WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION.
DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR, UH, SHOULD THE, UM, HAS THE APPLICANT SEEN THE, THE LETTERS AND THE COMMENTS JUST PRIOR TO THE HEARING? I DID GO THROUGH THEM, DID READ THEM.
UH, I THINK THEY ARE ALIGNED MOSTLY WITH THE, UH, COMMENTS AND STIPULATIONS THAT Y'ALL HAD INDICATED IN THE DRC MM-HMM
SO THE EXPECTATION THERE IS THAT
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WE WOULD, UM, RESPOND AND ALIGN TO THOSE STIPULATIONS, UM, WITHIN THE MEANS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC, UH, QUESTION, COMMISSIONER DAVIS, I'M HAPPY TO, TO ELABORATE OR SIMPLY GO ON RECORD AND DISCUSS THE INTENT OF THE PROJECT, WHATEVER YOU SEE IS FIT.
AND SO THE, THE HOME ITSELF IS, IS THE ONE STORY, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
AND THEN, SO THIS IS GONNA BUILD ONTO IT? YES.
THE, THE HOME ITSELF IS A, IS A ONE STORY HISTORIC PROPERTY.
UH, IT'S A ONE BED, ONE BATH CURRENTLY.
UH, AND OUR CLIENT OWNER, UH, WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE A, UH, AN ADDITIONAL TWO BEDROOMS, UH, AND BATHROOMS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE OCCUPIABLE LIVING SPACE WITHIN IT.
AND GIVEN THE LIMITED FOOTPRINT OF THE SITE, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY REQUIRES US TO BE ABLE TO ELEVATE AND BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN SOME LEVEL OF BACKYARD AREA TO, TO ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY, UH, TO ENJOY THE, THE OVERALL SITE.
SO WE DID TAKE PRECEDENT AND DID A SURVEY OF, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF EXISTING PROPERTIES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UM, MULTI-STORY, UH, PROPERTIES.
TYPICALLY TWO STORY I THINK IS THE HIGHEST THAT, THAT ANYTHING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD GOES.
AND WE DID, UH, ATTEMPT TO ALIGN, UH, AS POSSIBLE TO EITHER THOSE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS OR JUST BELOW TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S JUST A SMALL SNIPPET, UH, OF WHAT WE REVIEWED.
UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER, I KNOW YOU HAD DISCUSSED POTENTIALLY, UH, WANTING TO PUT TOGETHER AN ELEVATION OF THE STREET.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DEVELOP, BUT WITHIN THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR THE HEARING TODAY, UM, WE ELECTED TO REVIEW, UH, AN OVERALL SITE PLAN TO SHOW WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED.
AND SOME OF THE PRECEDENT EXAMPLES, UH, THAT WE HAD RECEIVED, UH, FROM THE COMMITTEE ITSELF DID INCLUDE, UH, A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTED PROPERTIES IN THE EXAMPLES.
I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES.
COMMISSIONER GRU, UH, DO YOU ACCEPT ALL THE STIPULATIONS FROM STAFF? YES, MA'AM.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL DO A MOTION.
AND WE DISCUSSED SEVERAL THINGS.
ONE WAS, IF YOU COULD PUT THE ELEVATIONS UP BACK, EDWARD, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT, UH, THE ALMOST TWO STORY TALL WALLS WITH THE HORIZONTAL SIDING AND WHETHER THAT, UH, ELEVATION COULD BE BROKEN UP WITH A, UH, FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE, BELT COURSE.
TO DESIGNATE OR TO SEPARATE THE FIRST FLOOR FROM THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, HOWEVER TALL THAT IS OF JUST, UH, UNBROKEN UP HORIZONTAL SIDING.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER? YES.
I, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, THERE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT HOW TO APPROACH THAT.
UM, POTENTIALLY, I THINK, UM, NO DISAGREEMENT OR NO EXCEPTIONS TAKEN TO THE IDEA OF A BELT COURSE OR THE IDEA OF INTRODUCING SOME TYPE OF HORIZONTAL BANDING, OUR ACCENT TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THE VERTICAL PROPORTION.
UH, I KNOW COMMISSIONER FETZER THAT WE TALKED AT GREAT LENGTH ABOUT BOTH THE CLA STORY AND JUST THE OVERALL HEIGHT ITSELF.
UM, GIVEN THAT THE MASSING ITSELF IS SQUARE, ONCE YOU DOUBLE THAT HEIGHT, YOU TEND TO GET A RATHER BROAD FACADE.
UH, ESPECIALLY, AND I'VE SEEN THE LETTERS AND I'VE SEEN THE STIPULATIONS REGARDING THE, UH, THE VIEW FROM INDIANOLA, UM, ESPECIALLY FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE TWO STREET TREES THAT ARE CONCEALING THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE ATTEMPTED TO DO IN RESPONSE, UM, MAYBE PERHAPS AS A MITIGATING FACTOR AND MAYBE NOT FAR ENOUGH, IS INTRODUCE A WIDER TRIM SET JUST BELOW THE CLARITY STORY WINDOWS.
SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY A BELT COURSE DIRECTLY AT THE DATUM LINE OF THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, OF THE LEVEL TWO FLOOR.
BUT IT DOES TRUNCATE SOMEWHAT AND HAPPY TO RECEIVE THE OPINION THAT IT DOESN'T TRUNCATE OR BREAK THE MASSING ENOUGH, UH, AND CONTINUE TO FURTHER REVIEW THAT WITHIN THE STIPULATIONS.
BUT THAT WAS WHERE WE DIDN'T NEGLECT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
THAT WAS OUR ATTEMPT TO RESPOND.
SO AS YOU COME UP, YOU DO HAVE THE, THE VERTICAL TRIM THAT COMES WITH THE CORNERS, AND THEN YOU HAVE A LARGER, UM, TRIM DETAIL, UH, LIKE A, A, A MINIMAL CORNICE, SO TO SPEAK, BELOW THE CLAR STORY WINDOW.
SO YOU DO BREAK INTO MAYBE MORE OF A, A THREE QUARTER, ONE QUARTER INSTEAD OF A HALF AND HALF.
BUT HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER? MAY I ADD A QUESTION TO THAT? I'M SORRY.
MAY I ADD A QUESTION TO THAT? YES.
SO, UM, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL WHERE YOUR WINDOWS ARE THE TOP WINDOWS? YES.
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SIDING WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE, I'M SORRY.OR LIKE BETWEEN THE WINDOWS IS JUST WOOD TRIM, THERE WILL BE WOOD TRIM.
IT'S JUST ONE WOOD TRIM BETWEEN EVERY WINDOW.
IT, IT ESSENTIALLY READ FROM THE EXTERIOR, UH, AS LIKE A WOOD POST CLAIRE STORY, I BELIEVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF EDWARD'S THERE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE EXAMPLE.
UH, THERE ON THAT TOP LEFT, THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE DESIGN INTENT IS MEANT TO, TO IMITATE.
UM, AND YOU COULD SEE ALSO BELOW THAT THERE IS A, A LARGER, NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE SEAL WINDOW, BUT A, A HORIZONTAL BAND IN THE ACTUAL FACADE BELOW THAT WE'RE INTENDING TO, TO IMITATE TO SOME EXTENT THAT WOULD BE, UH, WITHOUT US PULLING TOGETHER A FULL MODEL AND RENDERINGS, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY TO DO, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT THAT WE'RE AFTER.
I'M JUST GONNA GO DOWN THE LIST HERE.
UM, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, ANY QUESTIONS? NO COURT, NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR.
CHAIR, COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTIONS.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP.
SO I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS AND THEN ADD A STIPULATION TO CREATE SOME VISUAL TRIM BAND BELOW THE WINDOWS TO, UH, BREAK UP THE MASSING OF THAT TWO STORY EDITION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, OKAY.
COMMENTS? NO, I THINK, UH, IT WAS A VERY GOOD, GOOD IDEA.
I WOULD SUGGEST AS MUCH AS YOU CAN, I WOULD EVEN MAYBE EVEN MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE PICTURES ARE REALLY SEPARATES AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE STORY ENDS BELOW THE WINDOWS AND IT'S NOT, UM, I LIKE THE IDEA MAYBE TO HAVE MORE SPACE BELOW THE WINDOWS AND THE TRIM MM-HMM
BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT FOR YOU TO DESIGN AND COME UP WITH THE OPTION AND HAVE STUFF, UH, LOOK AT IT.
WE'LL INCLUDE VISUALS IN OUR NEXT SUBMISSION, UM, TO THE PERMIT AND
UH, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO COMMENT SIR.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO, SIR.
COMMISSIONER DAVIS? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER TRIVIA ALSO NO COMMENT.
SO I, I GUESS THAT THAT TRIM THAT GOES AROUND THE CORNICE STYLE, UH, WOULD BE BELOW WHERE THE THREE WINDOWS, I BELIEVE IT'S THREE WINDOWS THAT GO BELOW, OR AT LEAST ONE WINDOW THAT IS ACCESSED TO TO, TO THE OUTSIDE.
IT KIND OF SEE THERE IN THE TOP LEFT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT THE TOP LEFT IMAGE OF, OF WHAT EDWARD HAS PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN FOR, FOR THOSE OF US IN THE ROOM.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT THOSE CLA STORY WINDOWS SIT, UH, ROUGHLY FIVE AND A HALF, SIX FEET ABOVE THE INTERIOR.
AND SO YOU HAVE A, A CLA STORY OF LIGHT.
SO THE UPPER BEDROOM, THE DESIGN INTENT WAS TO KIND OF REPLICATE A, A, A SLEEPING PORCH OF SOME KIND WHERE WE'RE INVERTING IT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SECOND STORY.
SO WE'RE TAKING THAT TO THE SECOND LEVEL.
ON THE EXTERIOR, YOU'LL HAVE THE, THE WOOD SIDING, HORIZONTAL WOOD LAP SIDING THAT WOULD CONTINUE UP FROM GRADE TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THAT.
AT THE TOP OF THAT, JUST BELOW THE WINDOW UNIT ITSELF, YOU'LL HAVE THE, THE WINDOW SILL, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE A SE TWO TRIM PIECES THAT WILL SERVE AS A CORNES.
SO THERE'LL ACTUALLY BE A PROFILE THAT HAS ABOUT A TWO, TWO AND A HALF INCH OFFSET, AND THEN ABOUT A ONE INCH OFFSET, AND THEN IT'LL STEP BACK TO THE HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING.
SO THE EXISTING HOUSE CURRENTLY DOES HAVE, UH, NOT A HORIZONTAL TRIM IN THAT NATURE JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE, UH, THE ROOF ALIGNS WITH THE SIDING, BUT IT DOES HAVE CORNER TRIM.
IT'S MEANT TO BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT.
SO THE VERTICAL COMPONENT WILL TURN AND THERE'LL BE A CAP THAT'LL EXIST JUST BELOW THAT CLA STORY WINDOW.
SO SORRY FOR LONG EXPLANATION, BUT, UH, SHORT ANSWER, YES, THANK YOU.
UM, I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
[9. Address/Description: 509 KING WILLIAM HDRC Case No.: 2026-237 Historic District Name: King William RIO District: RIO-4 Neighborhood Assn Name: King William Applicant: Daniel Cruz/Design Coop Request: Fenestration Modifications to Natatorium, Landscaping Modifications City Council Dist.: 1 ]
NINE.WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, DANIEL CRUZ, UM,
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ALONG WITH THE CONWAYS, THE HOMEOWNERS.UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I BELIEVE YOU PULLED THIS FOR DISCUSSION.
AND YOU KNOW, THEN, NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, UM, IT'S PROBABLY DISCUSSION THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AFTER SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION.
BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON, ON THE, ON THE DRAWING TO THE, UH, THE DRAWING THAT HAS THE TWO ELEVATIONS OF THE, OF THE, OF THE WALL THAT IS TO RECEIVE THE, THE REMOVAL, THE, THE SMALL BUILDING ON THE TOP.
IT SHOWS STUCCO ON THE BOTTOM, IT SHOWS THE LAP SIDING, WHICH IS THE EXISTING, I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S A DISCREPANCY.
UH, ON OUR DRAWINGS, THE, THE, UH, THE HATCH YOU CAN SEE IS ON THE DOOR.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, A TECHNICAL ISSUE, IF YOU WILL.
IT'S, UH, ORIGINALLY SIDING, WOOD SIDING, AND IT'S TO REMAIN.
OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GARCIA? NEXT QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE IS, IF I CAN ASK ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO, UH, JUST TO GIVE A RECAP OF THEIR SITE VISIT.
I WAS ON THE SITE, UH, THE, WHAT WE FOCUSED ON, UH, ON THE SITE VISIT WAS THE, UH, THE DECONSTRUCTION OF WINDOWS LEADING INTO THE NATATORIUM TO BETTER UTILIZE THE SPACE.
UM, AND THE WAY THAT, THE WAY THAT THE, THE BUILDING SITS NOW IS, UM, IS ESSENTIALLY BEING USED AS STORAGE.
UM, AND THE, THE PLAN IS TO, UM, THE BIG ASK IS TO REMOVE AND DECONSTRUCT THREE SECTIONS OF, UH, THE EXTERIOR FACADE FACING THE HOUSE, FACING INTO THE COURTYARD OF THE PROPERTY TO ADEQUATELY, UH, RECONSTRUCT A SWIMMING POOL GROTTO AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THE NATATORIUM USABLE AS A NATATORIUM AGAIN.
UM, THE, UH, THE DESIGN COOP WALKED US THROUGH, UM, THE PLAN AND, AND WE REALLY FOCUSED ON, UH, THE INTERIOR PLAN AND, AND OPENING, OPENING IT UP AND, AND WHAT YOU COULD SEE FROM THE STREET.
UM, HOW WOULD THIS IMPACT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND, UH, VIEW SHED INTO THE PROPERTY? AND SO I COULD SPEAK FOR ME SPECIFICALLY, UM, I, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO REALLY SEE, UM, IN THERE UNLESS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, STANDING ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE PEERING THROUGH.
AND, AND THAT'S WITH THE WAY THE CURRENT VEGETATION IS.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING PLANS, UM, AND IT, IT'S A REALLY, IT'S A REALLY COOL BUILDING, UM, THAT, THAT CAN'T REALLY BE USED RIGHT NOW FOR, UH, AS, AS AN NA AUDITORIUM.
AND, UM, AND IT, IT NEEDS, IT NEEDS REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION AND SOME LOVE.
AND SO WHAT I SAW WAS THE, THE APPLICANT WANTING TO GIVE THE SAME LOVE THAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO THE HOUSE, UH, TO THE NATATORIUM STRUCTURE.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WAS IF YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS REGARDING THE PICKLEBALL COURTS? UH, YES.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE COMMENTS, WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD A FEW DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF SPORTS COURTS AND CONCEPTS.
UM, I WILL SAY THE LOCATION HAS BEEN PULLED OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BE RESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THERE IS STILL, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, OHP IS REQUESTING, WHICH IS A LITTLE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS ONSET SPORTS COURT.
UM, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS A COMMERCIAL GRADE, UH, BASKETBALL COURT PICKLEBALL COURT.
IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR THAT USE FULLY.
IT IS, UM, MEANT TO BE A MORE INTIMATE, UH, PERSONAL PLAYGROUND FOR THEM.
THE, THE CLIENTS HAS, AS WELL AS WE ARE TRYING TO BRING IN LANDSCAPING VEGETATION TO HELP SHIELD THIS.
SO IT'S NOT, WE DON'T WANT TO BRING IN LARGE, UM, AS I MENTIONED, LARGE LIGHTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE ARE TAKING ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THE CLIENTS ARE OPEN AND WILLING TO COMMUNICATE MORE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS ALREADY THAT IT, AS YOU GUYS HEARD, THERE HAVE BEEN IN OUR PREVIOUS, UH, UH, APPEARANCE HERE, WE DID HAVE A LOT OF, UH, NEIGHBORS AND, AND PE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IN, IN FAVOR OF THIS AND AS WELL WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THEY DO, DO NOT TAKE THAT LIGHTLY.
AND I DO THINK THAT THEY, WE WILL RESPECT, UH, SAID WISHES FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORS AND, UH, I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE
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ACCURATE INFORMATION OR ADEQUATE INFORMATION TOWARDS THAT, UH, WITH OUR SUBMISSION TO OHP STAFF.COMMISSIONER TRIVIA ALSO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MOOKA? YES, I WAS ON THE, UM, ON THE DRC AND, AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS MADE WAS TO CONSIDER INSTEAD OF ALL THREE BAYS, UM, BEING UTILIZED WITH THE FLOATING WALLS, OR I FORGET THE NAME OF THEM, UM, THAT MAYBE JUST THE TWO MIDDLE ONES BE UTILIZED.
UH, WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THAT? THERE WAS CONSIDERATION INTO THAT.
UM, ONE THING THAT I DID BRING TO STAFF'S, UH, UH, STAFF WHILE WE WERE THERE, AND I MAY HAVE, I MAY HAVE MENTIONED TO SOME COMMISSIONERS THAT FACADE THAT THAT LAST FACADE ON THE FAR LEFT HAS ALREADY BEEN MANIPULATED ONCE, THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT AN EXISTING DOOR USED TO BE A WINDOW.
UM, SO WE FELT LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO KEEP THE REPETITION OF THREE IDENTICAL WINDOW BAYS THAT MIMICKED WHAT WAS ONCE THERE IN A MORE, UH, APPROPRIATE, UH, MODIFICATION FOR THE STRUCTURE.
THE ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT TO HAVE IT AS A, AS A DOORWAY SEPARATES IT FROM AND GIVES IT A BALANCE WITH THE DOOR.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE, THE LAST BAY, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE THE FOURTH BAY FROM ON THE RIGHT, THE OF NO, I, I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I GUESS ANOTHER THING TO, TO, TO SPEAK ON THAT IS THE, AND, AND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT GOT TO SEE IT IN SOME OF THE PHOTOS DO SHOWCASE THAT THE WAY THE NATATORIUM ONCE WAS, OR THE WAY THE POOL WAS, IS THAT WAS AS SOON AS YOU WALK THROUGH THAT DOOR, YOU'RE FALLING STRAIGHT INTO THE POOL.
UM, THE MAIN CIRCULATION, THE MAIN PATH OF TRAVEL HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT DOOR THAT WE ARE KEEPING INTACT.
SO WE FELT LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE AND OUR APPROACH IS TO SHOWCASE WHAT, ONCE, WHAT, WHAT ONCE WAS, UM, NOT JUST FROM THE EXTERIOR STANDPOINT, BUT FROM THE INTERIOR STANDPOINT.
SO WE FELT LIKE OPENING THAT FACADE, IT FELT LIKE THE MOST APPROPRIATE, UH, USE OF THE SPACE.
UH, COMMISSIONER MAMAN, ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU'VE HEARD THE, THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE GOTTEN THE COPIES OF THE LETTERS YES.
UH, AND I THINK THE PICKLEBALL COURT HAS, UM, RECEIVED MOST OF THE, THE COMMENTS AND YOU MENTIONED LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING AND ALL THAT.
UM, HAS THAT PLAN BEEN FULLY DEVELOPED FOR SCREENING AND, AND LIGHT LEVELS AND, AND, UH, ALL THAT? OR IS THAT STILL IN DEVELOPMENT? THAT IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, SO POSSIBLY, UM, A STIPULATION COULD BE, UH, SUBMITTING A FURTHER DEVELOPED LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UH, TO STAFF FOR REVIEW.
UM, AS YOU DEVELOP THAT WITH YOUR CLIENTS AND, UH, CONVERSATION WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS, IS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL BE WILLING TO DO? YES.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SECOND, UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, JUST YOU DID AGREE TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND I WANNA CLARIFY THE, HOW IT IS DIFFERENT FROM LAST MEETING TO NOW IS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ALL THREE OVERHEAD DOORS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANTS THAT WENT TO THE SITE VISIT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE MORNING ON WEDNESDAYS, I CAN'T ATTEND.
UM, I DID DRIVE BY AND I TALKED TO STAFF AND I, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT TIME.
I THINK WE ALL NEEDED THAT JUST TO GET A MORE VISUAL MM-HMM
UM, AND I THINK OVERALL, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE NO GUIDELINES ON PICKLEBALL COURTS AND NOISE.
AND, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING TOO THAT THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL PICKLEBALL, WHICH IS DIFFERENT AS FROM, BUT
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I HOPE THAT YOU DO KEEP CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS.NOT A STIPULATION, IT'S JUST COMMON NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORLY.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR.
UM, THE, UM, THIS BUILDING IS A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S SO PROMINENT IN SAN ANTONIO, IN PARTICULAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S IN.
UM, BUT, BUT LIKE THE PROJECT BEFORE IT, IT, UM, REQUESTS SOMETHING THAT IS A MAJOR, SAY, A SPIRITUAL CHANGE TO THE, TO THE PROJECT THAT IT IS NOW.
IT'S WONDERFUL THAT IT ACTIVATES A SPACE IN A WAY THAT HASN'T BEEN ACTIVATED IN A LONG TIME, SO IT HAS A REVIVING, UH, ATTITUDE ABOUT IT AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, A KIND OF A WONDERFUL STEP FORWARD FOR WHAT IT'S ASKING FOR IN TERMS OF ITS SACRIFICE.
BUT THAT, THAT BEING SAID, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WE AS A COMMISSION UNDERSTAND, UH, THE SIMILARITY WITH PROJECTS IN THE PAST AND FOR SURE PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, THAT, THAT REQUEST SUCH MASSIVE CHANGES, UH, ON, ON THE ONE HAND, THE, THE, THE, UH, PROJECT BEFORE A COMPLETE DEMOLITION AND ON THIS HAND, UM, A, A CHANGE, UH, MAJOR CHANGE TO, UH, TO A FACADE THAT PEOPLE WILL, WILL NEVER SEE AGAIN.
UM, THAT THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN, I CAN SEE IS DIFFERENT FROM THIS AND, AND YOUR MORE HUMBLE PROJECT IS THAT THESE ARE HIGH DOLLAR PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT BRING IN A LOT OF MONEY OR PROJECTS THAT ARE FUNDED BY OWNERSHIP WITH A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THAT WE, WE DO HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH, WITH THE MORE HUMBLE PROJECTS THAT WE GET THAT ARE REQUESTING, UM, MORE HUMBLE AMENITIES THAT HOPEFULLY THAT THIS IS AN ATTITUDE THAT IS NOT JUST AN ATTITUDE BECAUSE, UM, OF THE IMPRESSIVENESS OF THE PROJECT, BUT THAT WE ALSO REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE CHANGES IN OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THOSE CHANGES MEAN JUST AS MUCH TO THOSE OWNERS AS TO THESE OWNERS.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA, ANY COMMENTS? UH, YES.
I THINK THAT, UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS REALLY QUITE LOVELY.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, BECAUSE I WENT ON THE, THE VISIT, THE SITE VISIT, UM, THAT ALL OF THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED VERY SENSITIVELY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, HAVING SPENT SEVERAL YEARS IN THIS BUILDING AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH, UH, WHEN IT BELONGED TO THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, I DO REMEMBER IT DIFFERENTLY.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE TAKING IT BACK, BUT I, AGAIN, HAVE TO STATE THAT I FIND IT UNFORTUNATE THAT SO MUCH OF THAT FACADE, UM, THAT FACES THAT, UH, THIS, THIS SHARED SPACE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE STRUCTURE, UM, IS GONNA BE SO DRASTICALLY CHANGED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN BEAUTIFULLY DONE.
RIGHT? UM, SO I JUST HAVE TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE COMPROMISED.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY IT'S GONNA BE LOST, BUT IT IS COMPROMISED.
AND YES, I WILL AGREE THAT IT'S GONNA BE COMPROMISED BEAUTIFULLY, BUT I, I JUST HAVE TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
AND PART OF WHAT I THINK, UM, WILL HELP ME MAKE A DECISION IS THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARILY A FACADE THAT YOU SEE FROM THE STREET, RIGHT? THIS IS PART OF AN INTERIOR, MORE PERSONALIZED SPACE AND YOU'RE DOING SOME BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING.
SO I THINK THAT THAT HELPS AND IN A LOT OF WAYS, BUT AGAIN, THERE IS PART OF ME THAT GRIEVES FOR THIS BUILDING REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE SAVING SOME OF IT.
UM, TELL ME THAT YOU'RE KEEPING THE GROTTO AND I'M, I MIGHT BE
UM, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, BUT, UM,
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOLLAND COMMENTS.
UH, COMMISSIONER CSO, NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER DAVIS? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER MAYMAN? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO COMMENT.
UM, I GUESS MY COMMENTS ARE ALONG THE LINES OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IN THE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, BUT IT IS, UM, IN MY OPINION,
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A, A VERY DRASTIC CHANGE TO AN OTHERWISE, UH, FAIRLY SIMPLE BUILDING, UM, AND HISTORIC BUILDING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.UM, UM, YES, THE VIEWS FROM THE, THE STREET AND THE SIDE STREET ARE, ARE, UH, NOT HEAD ON, BUT IT IS A, UM, A DRASTIC CHANGE.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT.
I SAW THE, SOME REPORTS THAT, UH, RATHER THAN THE THREE OVERHEAD DOORS, IF IT WAS, UH, WELL PREVIOUSLY IT HAD BEEN APPROVED FOR FRENCH DOORS WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE CORRECT.
AND I GUESS THE, UH, THE DECISION WAS THAT THAT WASN'T OPENING IT UP ENOUGH TO CONNECT THE, THE NATATORIUM, UH, TO THE OUTDOORS, UM, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE LOSING ON THAT STRUCTURE.
UH, LAST COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER GRU.
WELL, AND I, UM, THE REASON WHY, AND I HAD EVEN, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED TO CONSIDER THAT IS, UM, ONE WAS A SITE VISIT, UH, CONCLUSIONS.
AND THEN I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT TODAY HAS REALLY EXPLAINED US ALSO THE REASONING BETWEEN, AND I THINK SOME OF THE PICTURES CLARIFY REALLY HOW, WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE INSIDE AND THERE'LL BE WHAT, ONE, TWO FEET BETWEEN THE WALL AND THE POOL? YES, YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK.
I SEE THAT BEING ALSO MY EVEN A SAFETY ISSUE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY REDO A POOL INSIDE TO BE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THE PICTURES REALLY, UM, EXPLAINED DEEPER WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AT THE LAST MEETING AND UM, I APPRECIATE THAT.
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13.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 20 26 2 4 8 2 0 1 NORTH ST.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL STONE WAYNE COING ON THE NORTH FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 2 0 1.
MARY'S, UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EXPLORE THE INSTALLATION, THE
UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, MR. EDUARDO ROBINSON IS ON VIRTUALLY, UH, AND I BELIEVE ALSO JIM WEBB, UH, IS HERE VIRTUALLY AS WELL.
UM, SO I WILL, UH, I GUESS START, I'LL PULL UP A PHOTO OF THE CURRENT CONDITION.
UM, EDUARDO, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE CURRENT CONDITION AND THEN, UH, WE CAN GO DOWN AND I CAN PULL UP, UH, THE PROPOSED ELEVATION, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
I WILL NOTE, UH, ON THE PROPOSED ELEVATION, UH, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ANNOTATIONS FOR OTHER SCOPES OF WORK.
UH, IF YOU REFER TO THE FINDINGS, THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY OHP STAFF.
UH, SO EDUARDO, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, WALK THE COMMISSIONERS THROUGH, UH, THE REQUEST, UH, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES NOW.
I'LL SEND YOU, UH, AN UNMUTE REQUEST.
UH, JIM WEBB IS GONNA BE, UH, PRESENTING OUR CASE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, UNMUTING HIM.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S UNMUTED.
MY NAME IS JIM, I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH JURY.
UM, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW OUR PROPOSAL.
AS WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED, WE WERE PROPOSING 42 INCH CASTSTONE PANELS, 42 INCH MAXIMUM, UM, ALONG THAT, UH, NORTH FACADE UNDER THE CANOPY.
UM, AFTER GETTING STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THOSE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE BUILDING, UH, BEING A SMOOTH ASHLER PANEL, WE'VE INTERNALLY REVIEWED IT AND WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE THE
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BEST ROUTE TO TAKE.SO WE WOULD LIKE TO PIVOT AND SPEAK MORE ABOUT, UM, USING A PANEL THAT'S THE SMOOTH ASAR STONE THAT WOULD BE BELOW THE WINDOW SEAL THERE, 42 INCHES MAXIMUM THAT HAS A PROFILE AND FINISH CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, EAST FACE OF THE BUILDING.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, WE'RE HOLDING THE MATERIAL OFF, UH, JUST A BIT FROM THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO ALLOW SOME OF THE BRICK TO REMAIN TAKING THAT TO THE DOOR.
UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE PAINTING, UH, THE DOOR AND THE FACADE, EVERYTHING BELOW THAT EXISTING CANOPY.
IF I'D LIKE TO JUST STEP BACK FOR A MOMENT AND SAY, UH, WHAT PART OF THE EMPHASIS FOR THIS WORK IS.
FIRST IT JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE, THE PAINTING AND THE CLEANING, BUT FOR THE PANEL IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE OF A VISUALLY PLEASING EXPERIENCE FOR OUR GUESTS AS THEY USE THIS ALLEYWAY TO ENTER THE PARKING GARAGE, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE BACKGROUND.
AND ALSO, UH, THE DOOR JUST TO THE RIGHT THERE, UH, FUNCTIONS MUCH LIKE A DROP OFF AND PICKUP FOR OUR GUEST AS WELL.
SO IT'S OUR PROPOSAL TO CLEAN PAINT AND WORK BELOW THE CANOPY FOR THE MAJORITY AND USE A PANEL CONSISTENT WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT MATCHES AND OR COMPLIMENTS THE PANEL THAT'S ON THE EAST FACE OF THE BUILDING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD, IT'D BE A PLEASURE TO ANSWER THIS FOR YOU.
UH, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, ANY QUESTIONS? I, I GUESS JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE STAFF HAS SUGGESTED AND WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING.
THEY'RE BOTH TALKING ABOUT A WAINS COATING, ONE IS CAST CEMENT, THE OTHER ONE IS STONE.
IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE LOOK? WELL, I CAN, I CAN JUMP IN JUST A, A LITTLE BIT HERE AND IT, IT COULD JUST BE, UH, AN ANNOTATION ERROR OR, UH, JUST, UH, MAYBE NOMENCLATURE.
UH, BUT, UH, IN OUR REVIEW THIS SAYS TO MATCH EXISTING TERRACOTTA.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S MOSTLY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, JUST WANTING TO CALL ATTENTION TO MAKING SURE THAT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL WITH AN APPROPRIATE FACE COLOR AND TEXTURES INSTALLED.
UH, AND NOT SO MUCH OF, UH, CONCERN ABOUT ADDING A MATERIAL THERE, UM, IF DONE APPROPRIATELY.
UM, AND IF THERE'S A RETURN BREAK LIKE THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED SO THAT THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH HOW DO YOU MATCH, UH, HEIGHTS AT THE CORNER, THEN UM, IT, IT PROBABLY APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE, UM, LACK OF DETAIL ON THIS FACADE.
I THINK IT MAY BE A NOMENCLATURE ISSUE.
IT IS OUR DESIRE TO MATCH WHAT'S ON THE BUILDING, NOT CREATE A NEW OR A ODD MATERIAL AT THIS LOCATION.
THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER DAVIS.
COMMISSIONER TRIVIA ALSO, NO, NO QUESTIONS THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER GRU, ANY QUESTIONS? STEPH, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THEIR, UH, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN AGREEMENT? I THINK PROPOS IS WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.
I THINK WHAT THE ARCHITECTS EXPLAINED IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT STAFF, UH, BELIEVES WILL BE APPROPRIATE.
AND, UM, THE REST OF IT'LL BE THEM JUST GETTING US MATERIAL SAMPLES OR PHOTOS AND, AND UH, REVIEW AT THAT LEVEL WITH STAFF.
SO IS THERE ANY SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT HAS THIS STONE OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE, UH, GETTING THIS INSPIRATION FROM? YES.
SO, UM, LET ME GO UP TO THE PHOTO.
UM, SO ACTUALLY THE, THE STONE THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THEY MATCH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS FOUND HISTORICALLY.
UM, THERE WOULD BE A BREAK HERE, UH, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD START AT A LOWER LEVEL, UH, TO BASICALLY MATCH THE HEIGHT OF THE SEAL TO RUN THE LENGTH OF THE NORTH FACADE TO THE GARAGE STAFF FINDS THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE.
AND SO THE APPLICANT YOU AGREE TO, TO MIMIC WHAT'S THERE ALREADY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS WELL? WE DO AGREE.
HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR.
UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE CHOICE THAT YOU'RE MAKING, I THINK IS A, A, A GOOD, A GOOD, UH, SOLUTION, BUT I WONDER IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE CONSIDERED OR WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO, TO FURTHER ARTICULATE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, UM,
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AN ADDED FACADE.IT'S MEANT TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING, BUT YET NOT BE THE BUILDING, UH, UH, TO FAKE ITSELF AS A BUILDING, UH, THAT, THAT'S BEEN THERE.
BUT, BUT LIKE, AS YOU GET TO THE END, I'M, I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THAT MATERIAL COULD BE FURTHER SEPARATED FROM THE END OF THE WALL THAT'S ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UH, MUCH LIKE YOU DID ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND THEN PERHAPS, UM, UH, FURTHER ARTICULATE SLIGHTLY THAT SERVICE DOOR, PERHAPS THAT IT ENDS A LITTLE EARLIER, JUST, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DRAMA DRAMATIC, UM, UH, SEPARATION.
I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS YOU DON'T THINK IS NECESSARY? NO, I THINK WE'D BE WILLING TO DO THAT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN SEPARATING OFF OF THE CORNER TO THE LEFT THERE.
MAYBE EVEN USING THE WIDTH OF THE SIGN AS THE BASE FOR THE AMOUNT OF SPACE GIVEN.
THAT WAY YOU HAVE CONSISTENT MATERIAL BELOW THE SIGN.
I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK APPROPRIATE.
AND PULLING OFF OF THE DOORS AND THE RIGHT END I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE ALSO.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WOULD NOT STRUGGLE WITH FOLLOWING.
THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR.
AND MY QUESTION WAS, UM, FOLLOWING ON COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S COMMENT, UH, PULLING OFF THE, THE NEW WAINSCOT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CORNER, UH, POSSIBLY, UH, THE SAME DISTANCE, UH, FROM THE CORNER LIMESTONE TO THE CENTER OF THE SIGN AND OVERHEAD LIGHT.
UH, SO WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER, UH, THREE FEET OR SO, UH, SO THAT THE, THE LIGHT AND THE SIGN ARE CENTERED IN THE, THE BRICK PANEL BEFORE YOU GET TO YOUR NEW MATERIAL.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D CONSIDER? YES, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS TIPPING MY HAT TO.
AND I'M SORRY IF I DIDN'T ARTICULATE WELL ENOUGH.
IF YOU LOOKED AT THE BRICK TO THE LEFT OF THE SIGN BEFORE IT GOES TO THE VERTICAL PANEL, YES.
IF WE MIMIC THAT SAME WIDTH TO THE RIGHT OF THE SIGN IS WHAT I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I HAD IN MIND AS WELL.
UH, HOW, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE, UH, ART, UH, THE, THE TOP, THE ARTICULATING THE GAP BETWEEN WHAT IS THE, THE APPLIED STONE AND THE BRICK? HOW, HOW ARE YOU FILLING THAT? IS IT JUST A, A CAULKED, UH, GAP OR IS THERE A TRIM THAT GOES UP THERE AT THE TOP OF THE WA SCOPE? SIR, WAS THAT QUESTION FOR DRURY OR WAS THAT FOR YOUR TEAM? WELL, NO, FOR YOU, FOR Y'ALL, JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT A CAPSTONE THERE THAT'S CONSISTENT IN UM, TEXTURE AND IN MATERIAL TYPE TO WHAT'S ON THE BUILDING NOW.
SO THAT COULD BE A, LIKE WHAT COMMONLY IS CALLED A QUARTER ROUND, WHICH THEN RETURNS THE STONE BACK AND DIES INTO THE BRICK.
WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THAT A LITTLE BIT AND SHOW YOU THE PIECE THAT WE THINK IS MOST VALUABLE IN THAT LOCATION.
AND, AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT, UH, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UH, THE, THE MOVING OF THE STONE WITH RESPECT TO THE JURY SIGN, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT MY COMMENTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THE, THE ENTIRE WAINSCOT, THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S SHOWN A COUPLE OF INCHES FROM THE CORNER, THAT IT PROBABLY SHOULD MOVE IN, UH, A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE WINDOW AS OPPOSED TO THE CORNER.
BUT I'LL LEAVE THOSE COMMENTS, UH, WITH YOU.
YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A NATURAL ELEMENT THERE IN THE WINDOW THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERING, AND MAYBE THE WAINS COATING COMES TO THE EDGE OF THE WINDOW OR JUST TO THE EDGE OF THE SILL THERE, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE CAN PULL IT FURTHER OFF, ALIGN IT WITH AN ELEMENT ON THE BUILDING AND MAKE IT LOOK, UH, MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE.
YES, COMMISSIONER GRU, I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, THE WAINSCOATING WITH, UH, FEATURE SMOOTH FINISH AS PER TODAY'S DISCUSSION WITH THE ADDED STIPULATION.
UM, CREATE MORE SPACE BETWEEN, UH, BOTH ON THE LEFT SIDE AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE TO, UM, DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE, UH, OLD ORIGINAL WAINSCOATING PILLARS.
SECOND, AND JUST, I DON'T WANT US TO DESIGN WHERE I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS UNDERSTOOD WHERE TO MAKE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE AND WHERE THE, WHERE TO CREATE THESE GAPS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WORK WITH STAFF FOR
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FINALIZING THAT.THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MAZUA.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO COMMENT.
AND I HAVE NO COMMENTS, SO, UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MAMON? AYE.
I DIDN'T SEE YOU ON THE SCREEN.
I'LL, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AND EDUARDO, UM, TOMORROW OR SO.
UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2026, UH, 2 6 7 11 0 3 EAST COMMERCE.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE EXISTING SIGNAGE AT 1103 EAST COMMERCE LOCATED WITHIN THE ST.
PAUL SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING.
UH, ITEM ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING AIDEN HOTEL SIGN ON THE SOUTH, THAT IS THE EAST COMMERCE FACADE WITH A NEW INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN TO READ THE ST.
THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF 203 INCHES.
THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 17 FEET IN AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY 90 INCHES.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 7.5 FEET FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 127 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL FEATURE REVERSE ELIMINATION WITH LE WITH METAL FACES.
A TWO REPLACE THE EXISTING EIGHT AND HOTEL SIGN ON THE WEST FACADE WITH A NEW INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN TO READ THE ST.
THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL FEATURE AN OVERALL WIDTH OF APPROXIMATELY 503 INCHES.
THAT'S ROUGHLY 43 FEET AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY 18 AND A HALF FEET FOR A TOTAL SIZE OF APPROXIMATELY 776 SQUARE FEET.
THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL FEATURE REV REVERSE ELIMINATION WITH METAL FACES.
UH, AND THEN ITEM THREE IS TO REPHRASE TWO MONUMENT SIGNS THAT ARE LOCATED AT THE STREET LEVEL AT CHESTNUT STREET AND C IN CENTER STREET.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW WALL SIGN, OR REPLACE AN EXISTING ONE ON THE SOUTH FAC SIDE WITH A STIPULATION AT THE PROPOSED SIGN.
BE SCALED TO BE CONSISTENT AND SIGN WITH THE EXISTING SIZE SIGN.
AS NOTED IN FINDING D TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW WALL SIGN, OR REPLACE AN EXISTING ON THE WEST FACADE WITH THE STIPULATION AT THE PROPOSED SIGN.
BE SCALED TO BE CONSISTENT IN SIZE WITH THE EXISTING.
AS NOTED IN FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE REFACE OF TWO EXISTING MONUMENT SIGNS.
UH, AND THERE'S A CASE COMMENT THAT ALL EXISTING SIGNAGE, UH, THAT IS THOSE ARE REFERRED TO EIGHT HOTEL, ARE TO BE REMOVED PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF NEW SIGNAGE.
UH, THE, UH, THERE'S INDIVIDUALS FROM THE OWNERSHIP GROUP THAT ARE HERE IN PERSON, SO IF Y'ALL WANNA COME UP NOW, UM, AND, UH, THEY WILL PRESENT, UM, ON THE REQUEST TO INSTALL SIGNAGE, UH, AS PROPOSED.
UM, ALSO, UM, I WILL NOTE, UH, WITHIN THE PAST FOUR YEARS OR SO, THREE YEARS, UH, THE SIGNAGE THAT'S INSTALLED NOW CAME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.
UH, AND I DO HAVE THE, UH, REVISED SIGNAGE DOCUMENTS THAT, UH, SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SIGNAGE THAT'S INSTALLED NOW FOR REFERENCE, UH, IF, IF THOSE ARE NEEDED.
UH, SO Y'ALL HAVE 12 MINUTES, AND IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE CURRENTLY THE AIDEN HOTEL.
UH, WE ARE CONVERTING OVER TO A HILTON PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE AN OUTSET BY HILTON.
UH, AND WE ARE CALLING IT THE ST.
UH, I'LL JUST BE SPEAKING ON BEHALF.
I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO TRY TO ANSWER ALL'S QUESTIONS.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING DOING LARGER SIGNS WHERE WE HAVE IT.
THE KIND OF SIGNS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ARE FOR THE AIDEN HOTEL, WHICH IS A KNOWN BRAND WITH BEST WESTERN.
IT'S NOT ONE OF THEIR MORE WELL KNOWN, BUT THERE IS A LOGO.
SO RIGHT NOW OUR SIGN, UH, FROM THE HIGHWAY IS ACTUALLY NOT A VERY LARGE SIGN FROM WHERE WE SIT OFF THE HIGHWAY.
UH, AND, BUT IT'S A LOGO SO YOU CAN RECOGNIZE THE LOGO A LITTLE QUICKER THAN YOU'D BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE LETTER LETTERING, JUST STATING OUT THE ST.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING DOING IT LARGER ALSO BECAUSE THERE ARE, UH, SIGNS IN THE AREA.
THERE IS A BALDWIN, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S ONLY MAYBE ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS OVER FROM US.
IT HAS A VERY LARGE SIGN, BUT THAT LOOKS
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REALLY GOOD.AND YOU CAN SEE IT FROM A HIGHWAY.
UH, BUT I THINK FOR ME, IN OWNERSHIP, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO PUSH WITH HAVING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER OF A SIGN BEING ABLE TO SEE IT, IS THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING THE ST.
UH, I THINK IT'S AN UNDERREPRESENTED AREA OF THE CITY.
I THINK EVEN A LOT OF LOCALS MAYBE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
AND WE DECIDED TO CALL OUR HOTEL THE ST.
PAUL TO KIND OF BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE ENLIGHTENMENT TO THE AREA.
THEY'RE DOING MORE ARTS IN THE AREA.
WE'RE A HOTEL THAT THAT ACTUALLY ALSO GOES AND PARTNERS WITH LUMINARIA AND SOME OF THE ARTISTIC THINGS IN THE CITY.
PAUL SQUARE ASSOCIATION, CENTRO, ALL OF THEM, TO TRY TO MAKE THAT AREA A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING HAVING A LITTLE BIT LARGER SIGN THAN WE HAVE JUST FOR VISIBILITY FOR RECOGNITION OF THE AREA.
UH, AND BECAUSE THERE ARE COMPARABLE SIGNS IN THE AREA REALLY CLOSE TO US, UH, WE DO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDING THAT WE HAVE AT 1103, IT IS THE, UH, THE HOTEL LOBBY AND THEN THE MEZZANINE LEVEL IS THE MEETING ROOMS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE BASEMENT LEVEL, WHICH WE ACTUALLY HAVE CONVERTED BACK INTO A WORKING SPEAKEASY THAT IT WAS DURING THE PROHIBITION AREA.
SO WE REALLY TAKE THE HISTORIC PART OF IT SERIOUSLY.
UH, AND THE, THE WALLS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE SIGNS ON ARE ON A, A BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN 2000.
SO IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING PUTTING ANY OF THESE ON THE ACTUAL HISTORIC BUILDING.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR US.
UH, COMMISSIONER MAMAN QUESTIONS? NO QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
CHAIR COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY, NO QUESTIONS.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UH, THE CURRENT SIZES OF THE TWO SIGNS, I'LL, UH, I'LL PULL THAT DOCUMENT UP NOW.
UH, SO THIS IS WHAT, UM, THE PREVIOUS REQUEST, UH, CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
UM, AND THERE WAS A MOTION THAT WAS MADE, AND THESE WERE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SIGNS THAT ARE ON THE BUILDING.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE SIGN THAT FACES SOUTH, UH, THAT IS, UH, TOWARD EAST COMMERCE.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER SIGN THAT FACES WEST TOWARD THE HIGHWAY.
UM, I'LL, AND, UH, HERE'S THE, THE ROUGH SIZE OF THAT.
AND, UH, THESE ARE THOSE TWO SIGNS, UH, AS INSTALLED, UM, AS VIEWED FROM THE HIGHWAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
I'LL, I'LL RESERVE FOR, UH, COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, DO WE HAVE A, JUST A SIDE BY SIDE OF THE OLD SIGN VERSUS THE NEW SIGN, JUST WITH AN OVERLAY JUST TO SEE WHAT SORT OF SIZE DIFFERENCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? UM, THERE'S NOT ONE, UM, BUT WE CAN MAYBE USE, UH, SOME OF THE DETAILING ON THE, THE FACADE.
UH, SO, UM, AND THIS ISN'T GONNA BE TO SCALE OR ANYTHING, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THE, THE WIDTH, THE SIGN MORE OR LESS RUNS THE, THE TAN BANDING OR THE TAN COLOR ON THE FACADE.
UH, AND THEN I WILL, UM, I'LL, I'VE JUST GOT GOOGLE MAPS HERE PULLED UP THAT MAY GIVE SOME REPRESENTATION OF, UH, WHAT THE ROUGH SIZE WOULD BE IN COMPARISON TO, UH, TO WHAT'S THERE NOW.
UM, SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WIDTH OVERALL WOULD, WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY WIDER, UH, FOR THE SIGNAGE THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE, UH, SOUTH FACADE.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, HOW IT'S INSTALLED ON THE FACADE AND, AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE BANDING.
AND THEN I'LL, UH, TRY TO, UH, JUMP DOWN HERE TO, UH, MAYBE GIVE, THERE WE GO.
UH, SO THE SIGN THAT'S THERE NOW IS JUST IN BETWEEN THE, UH, THE LIGHT BRICK COURSEWORK.
UH, AND, UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED WOULD, UH, GO OUTSIDE OF THAT.
SO, UM, THAT MAYBE GIVES SOME IDEA OF, UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED VERSUS WHAT'S EXISTING, UH, AND THE CHANGE IN SIZE.
WELL HAVE YOU CONSIDERED AFTER SEEING THE COMMENTS, BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE OF MM-HMM
IN SIZE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY OPTIONS WITH JUST GOING SMALLER OR SMALLER SCALE? WE COULD POTENTIALLY GO SMALLER.
WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS, ONCE YOU START, WE STARTED GETTING BIGGER.
IT WAS GONNA BE KIND OF IN A WEIRD SPOT IN BETWEEN THOSE TO WAY THAT THE WAY THE BUILDING IS BLOCKED OUT WITH THE DIFFERENT COLORED BRICKS.
SO WE WERE KIND OF TRYING TO MAKE IT JUST AESTHETICALLY LOOK BETTER, UH, WHILE GETTING IT MORE VISUAL, BUT, UH, WE COULD POTENTIALLY GO A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT DOING IT THE SAME SIZE OF THE ONE WE HAVE NOW, YOU WOULD ALMOST NOT SEE IT.
AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGN.
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CONTINUE MY QUESTIONS.WHAT ARE YOU DOING? DO YOU GONNA HAVE SIGN ABOVE THE CANOPY OR IS THAT, WHAT'S THAT GONNA BE? THE AIDEN ONE THAT YOU HAVE DOWN BELOW? SO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE OR THIS? YEAH, THAT ONE THERE IS GOING TO BE, THEY, THEY'RE IN TALKS FOR IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SUBMITTED FOR THAT.
THEY'RE STILL KIND OF WORKING ON IT, BUT THERE WILL BE SOMETHING, MOST LIKELY THERE WILL BE A MARQUEE SIGN THERE THAT'LL BE SIMILAR, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE, A LITTLE MORE PERIOD ACCURATE, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE KIND OF PLAYING ON THE WHOLE, THE SPEAKEASY IS MORE LIKE A 1920, SO IT REALLY IS MORE HISTORICAL.
SO THAT ONE WILL NOT PROBABLY FOLLOW THE EXACT SAME LETTERING AS, UH, THE OTHER SIGNS DO.
AND I'LL, I'LL NOTE, SINCE, UH, THE, SINCE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, ROUGHLY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, ANY SIGN THAT'S CURRENTLY INSTALLED WHERE THERE'S A CHANGE TO NEW BRANDING AND THAT SIZE IS MAINTAINED, GENERALLY CONSISTENT, UH, WE BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
UH, SO FOR LIKE THE CANOPY SIGN, LET'S SAY IF IT'S FIVE OR FOUR FEET TALL OR THREE FEET TALL, EIGHT FEET WIDE, IF YOU CAME IN WITH THAT SAME GENERAL MM-HMM
PROFILE AND DESIGN MATERIAL LIGHTING, WE COULD PROCESS THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY.
AND ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS HERE, SO, OKAY.
COMMISSIONER REVIA ALSO QUESTIONS.
UH, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
IS THIS A SIGN? IS THIS A A, IS IT LIT? IS IT, OR IT IS, IT WILL BE ILLUMINATED, YES, SIR.
AND IN COMPARISON TO OTHER SIGNS IN THE AREA, IS THIS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S LIT OR IS THERE OTHER ONES THAT, UH, THERE ARE OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE LIT? UH, LIKE I SAID, I, I BELIEVE THE SIGN THAT I WAS REFERENCING FOR THE BALDWIN APARTMENTS IS BACK LIT AS WELL.
UH, SO IT IS, IT IS IN KIND OF, IN COMPARISON TO THOSE, AND IT WON'T STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
THAT WAS THE ESSENCE OF MY QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER DAVIS? NO QUESTIONS.
JUST HOW, FOR STAFF, HOW DOES THIS NEW SIGN, UH, FIT WITH THE CITY'S REGULATIONS ON SIGN? IS IT GROSSLY OVERSIZED? UM, SO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE NOTES FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, ONE MAJOR, TWO MINOR SIGNS, 50 SQUARE FEET IS THE STANDARD.
HOWEVER, THE CODE SAYS THE HDRC, UM, HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL SIZE AND, AND, AND NUMBER OF SIGNS.
UM, THE CODE AND THE GUIDELINES ALSO SAY THAT, UM, IN THAT EVENT OR THAT CASE, THE SIZE SHOULD BE SCALED TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OR ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS ON THE FACADE.
AND SO, UM, AND GENERALLY CONSIDERING THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU GENERALLY GET, UH, THE SIGN THAT'S THERE NOW BEING WITHIN THE BRICK WORK AS, AS YOU CAN SEE.
UH, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING BE FOLLOWED OR BE MAINTAINED.
UH, SO TECHNICALLY YES, THE SIZE IS MORE THAN THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND, HOWEVER, THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL SIZE TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE COMMISSION BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING, THE DISTRICT, ET CETERA.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, BASED ON THE GUIDELINES, WHICH, UH, GIVES US THE PURVIEW TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, LARGER SIGNS, BUT IT ALSO MENTIONS IN THE GUIDELINES TO WORK WITH THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDING ELEMENTS.
AND YOU'VE DONE THAT SOMEWHAT AND WONDERING IF, UH, IT COULDN'T BE DONE A LITTLE MORE, UH, SUCH AS THIS SIGN HERE THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IF IT WAS LOWERED, UH, AND WAS COMPLETELY BELOW THOSE VERTICAL LIGHT BRICKS, IT WOULD, YEAH, IT WOULD LOOK BETTER.
SO JUST AN OFFSET A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT LIGHTER BRICK DOWN.
MAYBE CENTER IT IN THE RED BRICK BELOW THE WHITE STRIPES, IF YOU'D, UH, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT.
AND THEN, UH, THE WIDTH, MAYBE BRINGING IN, UH, A LITTLE FURTHER FROM THE CORNERS, UH, MAYBE, UH, CENTERED ON THE RED BRICK TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE WHITE BRICK.
SO THAT WOULD BRING DOWN THE, THE WIDTH AND SIZE OF THE SIGN A LITTLE BIT, AND IT WOULDN'T LOOK SO CROWDED YEAH.
UM, WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT.
AND THEN ON THE, UH, WEST ONE, UM, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, AND I KNOW THESE ARE, UH, PHOTOSHOP OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE NOT YES, SIR.
UH, EXACT, BUT, UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER RAISING THE MEDALLION UP SO THAT IT'S CENTERED ON THAT HORIZONTAL, UH, BAND? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BELOW THE BAND NOW.
ALL WITHIN, OH, YOU MEAN JUST LIFTING IT UP TO WHERE THE MIDDLE IS, THE CENTER? YES.
THE HORIZONTAL CENTER ALIGNS WITH THE HORIZONTAL CENTER OF THAT BAND.
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AND THEN, UH, STUDY THAT TO, UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER STUDYING THAT AND BRINGING IT A LITTLE, MAKE THE WIDTH A LITTLE LESS TO GIVE MORE ROOM, UH, OF THAT ALONG THAT, UH, LIGHT BRICK? AGAIN, IT LOOKS CROWDED ON THAT ELEVATION, AND I THINK GIVING IT SOME MORE SPACE, AGAIN, DEALING WITH THE EXISTING, UH, MATERIALS AND DETAILS.UM, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION BEFORE WE START DESIGNING.
WELL, YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR, I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION.
UH, I HAD SOME NUMBERS, SOME PERCENTAGES THAT I THINK MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE LARGE, THAT IT WOULD BE REDUCED BY APPROXIMATELY 30%, COULD BE A LITTLE LESS, UM, THAT IT WOULD, UH, THAT THE ST.
PAUL WOULD ALL FIT WITHIN THE, THE TOP BAY OF THE, UH, TWO, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO LIGHTER BANDS, AND THAT THE MEDALLION WOULD CENTER EITHER ON THE LIGHTER BAND OR THAT THE MEDALLION WOULD SIT CENTERED IN THE RED SPACE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHATEVER YOU THINK, UH, IS, IS MORE BALANCED.
THE, THE, THE, THE REASON FOR THE REDUCTION IS THAT, UH, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
WELL, THAT WOULD, THAT WAS A MOTION THAT, UH, NO, THAT'S NOT THE FULL MOTION.
WELL, LET'S FINISH THE MOTION.
THERE'S TWO MOTIONS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S TWO PIECES OF MOTION.
AND THEN THE OTHER, IF WE COULD GO TO THE OTHER, UH, THAT, UM, AGAIN, THAT THE, UM, UM, ST.
PAUL IS REDUCED BY APPROXIMATELY, UH, 20% AND THAT THE ST.
PAUL AND HOTEL FIT UNDERNEATH THE WHITE, UH, VERTICAL BANDS.
AND THAT THE MEDALLION IS SET, UH, OBVIOUSLY ABOVE THE ST.
PAUL IN A, IN A MANNER THAT IS BALANCED.
AND THE THIRD AND THE MOTION RECOMMENDATION, OH, THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, FOR THE MONUMENT SIGNS ARE, UH, AS PRESENTED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I HAVE A COMMENT, MR. CHAIR.
WAIT, WE NEED A, IF WE DON'T, THERE'S NO SECOND.
I'M GONNA DO AN AMENDED MOTION.
WE HAVE A NEW MOTION, A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE, WITH A STIPULATION TO BE SCALED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH DISCUSSION TODAY.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, SAME PROPOSED SIGN TO BE SCALED CONSISTENT WITH DISCUSSION TODAY.
AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, AS SUBMITTED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MAY I, UH, MAKE A COMMENT? ONE MOMENT.
WE HAVE A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.
AND THE HERE IS, I THINK THAT NEITHER WE SHOULD DESIGN OR DECIDE WHERE IT GOES OR GIVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS UNDERSTOOD.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE HAS COME UP WITH IDEAS, AND I'LL LEAVE IT FOR YOU TO, WITH STAFF TO, TO REFINE THAT SIZE.
I THINK STAFF WILL ALSO BE SOME, LIKE, WE'RE NOT RESTRICTING IT TO THE CURRENT SIGN, BUT I THINK YOU'RE, WE'RE RESTRICTING TO THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING, THE EXISTING DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT IF, UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THEY'RE NOT COMING UP WITH A DESIGN, THEN SUGGEST THAT DRC SOUNDS GOOD.
NO, I, I THINK BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN EXPLAINED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE PRESENT ON THE BUILDING, IT, WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
YOU HAD, YEAH, THOMAS, I MENTIONED THAT SOME OF OUR GUESTS, LOTS OF OUR GUESTS, AND THEY'RE GOING DOWN A HIGHWAY 60, 70 MILES AN HOUR.
THEY, WE HAVE ACTUALLY QUITE A FEW WHO SEES THE SIGN AND, AND STOP BY.
SO, SO THE VISIBILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF 'EM, BECAUSE LOTS OF PEOPLE MAKE RESERVATION, BUT YOU'D BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE SEE THE SIGN AND COME BY AND STOP THERE.
SO, SO WE ARE ON THE HIGHWAY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, FOR US, IT'S SORT OF IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE VISIBILITY FOR THE DRIVERS.
UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR.
THE, UM, THE PERCENTAGES, UM, PRESENTED BECAUSE THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SIZE OF THE SIGN.
AND RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT THAT THE SIGN IS BIG, IT'S THAT THE SIGN CAN'T GET ANY BIGGER.
SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT WHAT IS THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER THE SIGN IS BIG OR NOT, IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THE SIGN FITS GRACEFULLY IN THE BUILDING.
SO I KNOW WE'RE LEAVING IT TO STAFF, BUT I THINK IT'S A BIG ASK TO ASK STAFF TO DEFINE
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FOR US WHAT GRACEFUL IS.SO THE BANDS, THE LINES, THAT'S NOT DESIGNING FOR THE APPLICANT, THAT'S JUST SAYING THIS IS THE LIMIT ON THIS SIDE.
THAT'S THE LIMIT ON THAT SIDE.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE A BIG SIGN, MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT WOULD BE JUST NORMALLY APPROVED.
SO, UM, I, UM, WANT THE APPLICANTS TO, TO GET WHAT THEY NEED SO THEY CAN GET IT DONE.
BUT I DON'T LIKE THE PRECEDENT THAT, THAT WE WOULD JUST SAY, WELL, STAFF CAN FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY CAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, BUT IT, IT, IT SETS A RECORD FOR ANYBODY TO COME BEFORE US TO SAY, WELL, WELL, WE'LL JUST WORK WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE THE DIMENSIONS RIGHT HERE.
UH, JUST, I APPRECIATE, UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S SAYING, UM, DOWN THERE.
I'M CONCERNED WITH DESIGNING FROM UP HERE, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE SORT OF SAYING SIMILAR THING, WHICH IS, UM, HEY, NOT QUITE AS BIG AS IT'S SHOWN ON THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS AI MOCKUP, BUT, UM, BUT WE COULD APPRECIATE THAT, UH, IT, THERE'S ROOM FOR IT TO BE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE CURRENT AID AND SIGN.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT IN A, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY DEFINED TERM UP HERE, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S EXACTLY STAFF'S JOB IS TO HELP WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I WOULD SUPPORT THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONER CSO, I, I GUESS I'M NOT CLEAR AS TO WHAT THE MOTION WAS.
'CAUSE I, I PICKED UP THAT THERE'S POSSIBLY TWO MOTIONS.
THERE'S ONE MOTION, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
UH, APPROVED SIGNAGE, ALL THREE, UH, REQUESTS.
UH, WORKING WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE FACADES TO BASICALLY ALIGN AND REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE, THE ONE ON THE SOUTH AND ONE ON THE WEST.
COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO QUESTIONS.
CHAIR COMMISSIONER AMENDMENT? NO COMMENT OR QUESTION? OKAY.
AND, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HOLLAND THAT, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSION HERE.
UH, WE HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU STRICT DIMENSIONS.
UH, IT'S WORKING WITH THE BUILDING ELEMENTS WITH YOUR SIGN COMPANY OR DESIGNER AND WORKING WITH STAFF.
UH, AND, UM, I THINK IF STAFF AND, UH, Y'ALL CAN'T COME TO A CONSENSUS AND APPROVAL, THEN STAFF WOULD BRING IT BACK TO US AGAIN.
UM, BUT LEAVING IT TO STAFF, I THINK IS, IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 2 61 34 0 6 ROOSEVELT AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN APPROXIMATELY 46 SQUARE FOOT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, WALL MOUNTED SIGN ON THE FRONT FACADE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR SIGNAGE AT 34 0 6 ROOSEVELT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT USED DURABLE MATERIALS FOR THE PROPOSED WALL MOUNTED SIGN AS NOTED IN FINDING D TWO THAT THE APPLICANT USED INDIRECT LIGHTING FOR THE SIGNAGE IS NOTED IN FINDING D THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INDIVIDUALLY MOUNT THE LETTERS OF THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE TO THE WALL RATHER THAN USING THE PROPOSED RACEWAY.
THE APPLICANT, JAVIER GONZALEZ, IS HERE IN PERSON.
THERE'S TWO IN PERSON SPEAKERS.
UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, STAFF WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, UH, CALL ATTENTION TO FINDING C UM, LISTING PROHIBITED SIGNAGE.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN APPROXIMATELY 64 SQUARE FOOT FOOT, INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED DOUBLE-SIDED PYLON SIGN.
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AS NOTED IN THE SAME FINDING, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF WHOLE SIGNAGE WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS PROHIBITED AS DETAILED, UM, BY THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 35 DASH SIX 12 J.UM, JAVIER, YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND MAKE YOUR CASE TO THE COMMISSION.
YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO DO SO.
AND IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
THIS IS JAVI GONZALEZ, GRG ARCHITECTURE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND PRINCIPAL FOR THE FIRM.
WE HAD PREVIOUSLY GOTTEN, UH, APPROVED FOR A, A, UH, A SERIES OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS PROPERTY TO REMIND EVERYONE, UH, THE OWNER HAD STARTED, UH, HIS WORK WITHOUT THE PROPER PROTOCOL AND PROCESS.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO REPORT HE'S WELL ON HIS WAY, UH, THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS AND SO FORTH.
SO, TO HELP BUTTON THINGS UP, WE WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU FOR THE LAST PIECE, WHICH IS A SIGNAGE.
UH, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE DID SHOW THIS SIGNAGE BEFORE, AND, UH, IT WASN'T PART OF OUR REQUEST, BUT IN CONTEXT OF YOUR LAST APPROVAL AND REVIEW SO FORTH, UH, WE DID SHOW IT.
UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, WE, WE, WE PREFER THE OWNER PREFERS IN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HIS BRAND.
UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE, THE SIGN, UH, ON THE, ON THE BUILDING IS SET BACK, UH, AND, UH, AND, AND SOMEWHAT OBSCURED BY AN OVERHANG PORCH.
IT'S ABOUT 20 FEET DEEP, MAYBE, MAYBE 16 FEET DEEP.
UH, SO TO HELP AUGMENT THAT, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING POLE, NO CABINET.
AND, UH, WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE COULD, UH, USE THAT POLE.
AND, UH, WE'RE OF COURSE NOW BEING, UH, DIRECTED TO, TO THE COMMENTS IN THE, IN THE CODE THAT SAY, THAT'S PROHIBITIVE.
THERE'S ALSO A, A SIGN, UH, FRAME ON THE NORTH SIDE FACING THE, THE, THE MISSION.
AND WE, UH, AGREED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY AND MAKE THAT A SIGN THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE, UH, ON THAT SIDE.
UH, BUT IT IS A CONCESSION WE'RE MAKING IN THE HOPES THAT YOU WILL, UH, GIVE US SOME LEEWAY OFF THAT GUIDELINE, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
UH, THAT BEING, UH, THE CASE, UH, AND THIS WAS MY FAULT, A LITTLE BIT LATE, UH, WE DO HAVE AN ALTERNATE TO THE POLE SIGN USING THE POLE THAT'S THERE NOW AND EXISTS IS TO BUILD A, UH, A BASE.
SO IT'D BE, UH, MORE OF A MONUMENT SIGN, LIKE THE PIZZA HUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S DOWN THERE.
SO, UH, WE DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, ESPECIALLY SINCE ROOSEVELT IS SO, UH, SO WIDE AND SO BUSY AND, AND, AND FAST TRAFFIC.
WE THINK OUR, UH, BUILDING SIGN IS PLACED BACK OFF OF THE STREET, BACK OFF OF, UH, THE, UH, THE PARKING AND SO FORTH FOR IT TO BE MEANINGFULLY, UH, SEEN.
UH, THIS IS OUR, OUR, OUR BALANCE PROPOSAL.
AGAIN, NO SIGNAGE ON THE NORTH FACING THE MISSION, A DOUBLE-SIDED, UH, CABINET SIGN, WHICH IS IDEALLY GONNA GO ON THE POLE.
BUT SINCE THE POLE IS NOT, UH, A, AN OPTION FOR US, UH, CERTAINLY WOULD, UH, LIKE YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER, UH, LETTING STAFF WORK AT WORK THAT OUT WITH US LATER.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL.
WE HAVE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, DO.
HI, I'M JANE HENRY, PRESIDENT OF MISSIONS ON JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND, UM, WE, UM, FULLY SUPPORT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SIGNAGE ISSUE IN THIS, UH, JILL'S IN THIS BUSINESS.
UM, AND WE WOULD ALSO EMPHASIZE, UM, THE, UM, GUIDING MISSION, HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN REVIEW PRINCIPLES.
AND I WILL QUOTE FROM PAGE 11 OF THE, UM, MISSION'S HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL.
UM, SO PRINCIPLE NUMBER ONE, REHABILITATION OF EXISTING RESOURCES AND NEW DEVELOPMENT DESIGN SHOULD BE OF HIGH QUALITY.
AS HE POINTED OUT, HE NEEDS TO USE QUALITY MATERIALS, MR. SUGGESTED WOOD, UH, METAL, UH, STONE.
UM, AND, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER RE PRINCIPLE NUMBER TWO, REHABILITATION AND NEW DEVELOPMENT SHOULD PROMOTE AUTHENTICITY AND CREATIVITY.
UM, WHAT JOEL IS ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE, UM, AND, UH, JAVIER DID MENTION IT, UH, AND HE WANTS TO PUT HIS BRAND ON THE BUILDING.
AND WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS JUST SIMPLY REPLICATE THE FACADE OF HIS EXISTING
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BUSINESS AT, UM, UM, LOOP AT FOUR 10 AND 90 JOEL'S COLLISION.UM, HE, HE'S SUGGESTING MAKE THE, THE LETTER SMALLER, BUT IT'S STILL HIS CORPORATE BRAND, INCLUDING THE FO THE FAUX STONE, UH, FACADE THAT HE JUST SIMPLY GLUED ON THE OLD LOCATION.
AND THIS ONE, IT'S JUST HIS CORPORATE BRANDING, AND THAT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MISSION SAN JOSE.
SECOND SPEAKER IS ROSEMARY ANO ZUNIGA.
I NOW GO AS, UM, REFERENCES RAZ, RAZ.
IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO REMEMBER MY NAME, RAZ.
UM, I AM A DESCENDANT OF THE MISSIONS.
UM, I'M EIGHTH GENERATION DESCENDANT OF PEDRO OF THE ROSE WINDOW.
I'M ALSO CANARY ISLAND DESCENDANT.
THESE, THIS CORRIDOR IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME GROWING UP AND HAVING MOVED BACK TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THE HOOD, WHATEVER.
ANYWAY, I, HE REFERENCED PIZZA HUT.
I BELIEVE THAT HE'S THEIR GRANDFATHERED INTO IT BECAUSE WE DID THIS WHOLE THING WHERE WE REZONED ALL THESE PLACES, SPECIFICALLY ON THAT CORRIDOR TO PROTECT OUR MISSION, THE QUEEN OF THE MISSIONS.
NOW, I REMEMBER WHEN THE YMCA HAD THEIR SIGN, WHICH WAS A, I GUESS IT WAS LIKE A ALUMINUM COLORED RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY.
THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THAT, SO THEY HAD TO REMOVE IT.
SO NOW THEY DON'T, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE YMCA EXISTS 'CAUSE IT'S SO FAR BACK.
AND THEY HAD SPECIFICALLY HAD TO CHANGE THEIR SIGNAGE AS WELL TO FALL INTO THE REGULATIONS AND RULES THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND I BELIEVE EVEN THE MISSION LIBRARY HAD TO CHANGE THEIR SIGNAGE TOO AS WELL.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T EVEN WANNA GO TO WHERE I BELIEVE THIS, UH, COLLISION PLACE ALREADY BREAKING PERMIT, NOT EVEN PULLING PERMITS INITIALLY AND BUILDING ONTO THE STRUCTURE WHERE A NORMAL PERSON WOULD BE TOLD, TEAR IT DOWN.
SO THERE'S HISTORY ABOUT US REPORTING IT CONSISTENTLY WHEN THEY EVEN PUT THOSE FUME TOWERS OR WHATEVER THEY CALL 'EM, ADDING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO WE, WE NEED TO STOP PEOPLE LIKE THAT, THAT ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES OF WHICH I WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW.
'CAUSE I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF BUYING A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN THE HISTORIC AREA.
I AM THE, I USED TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HIS OF THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I'M NOW HISTORIAN, SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT? ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU, UH, BOTH FOR COMING OUT.
UH, GLAD TO SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY AND CERTAINLY, UH, HOLDING, UH, JOEL'S FEET TO THE FIRE.
I THINK HE IS DOING EXACTLY AS HE PLEDGED TO DO, UH, WHEN THEY WENT TO ZONING AND SO FORTH.
HE, HE'S, HE'S WALKING THE WALK, NOT JUST TALKING THE TALK.
NOW, UH, I ALSO AGREE THAT, UH, THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEED TO NEED, YOU KNOW, ATTENTION.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY.
AND, UH, I DO THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING IS A BALANCED, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PROPOSAL OR REQUEST FOR WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE SIGNAGE IS FOR THAT IT BE SEEN, IT'D BE EASILY READ, IT'D BE SAFE, UH, AND BALANCED, UH, WITH, UH, THE, WHERE IT IS IN THE, IN THE WORLD BY THE MISSION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SIGN ON THE BUILDING AND THEN THE SIGN OUT IN FRONT.
UH, BUT IF WE WANNA SEE SOME, UH, EXAMPLES OF, OF THINGS THAT ARE MAYBE TOO MUCH, UH, BRIAN, WOULD YOU MIND PULLING UP THE STREET VIEW? UH, THERE HAVE BEEN APPROVED SIGNS, AND IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE, UH, GOOGLE EARTH HAS A STREET VIEW, UH, OPTION, WHICH WE'RE GONNA SEE HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
AND IF YOU JUST TAKE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR OR THE NEXT NEIGHBOR, MUSTANG SALARIES AND SO FORTH, THEY START OUT WITH 50 SQUARE FEET, AND NOW THEY'VE GOT 250 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THAT ONE WAS NOT APPROVED THROUGH THIS COMMISSION.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE BALANCE.
SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
THIS BUILDING NEXT TO US HAS, DO YOU WANNA COUNT ALL THE SIGNS, BRIAN, GRANDFATHER, GRANDFATHER, MAY, MAY BE OR NOT BE, BUT IT'S THERE.
SO, UH, GOING DOWN THE STREET TO THE RED BUILDING, THIS IS A RED BUILDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE QUEEN OF THE MISSIONS.
I'M SURE I HAVE YOUR SUPPORT THAT THESE AREN'T, UH, OKAY TO JUST LET GO BY.
SO, UH, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET, GUYS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLDER STREET VIEW, IT WAS 48 SQUARE FEET.
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THE SIDE.UH, MY POINT IN RAISING THIS IS NOT TO SAY US TOO, IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND NOT OVER OVERS, SCALING THE SIGN.
WE'RE TRYING TO BE MODEST AND HAVE IT DO ITS JOB.
AND SO OUR REQUEST, HUMBLE REQUEST TO YOU IS THAT THIS BE, UH, DULY CONSIDERED FOR WHAT OUR REQUEST IS.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT OVER THE TOP LIKE A LOT OF THESE ARE.
IF YOU KEEP GOING DOWN THE STREET, IT GETS IT, IT DOESN'T GET BETTER.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE.
UH, WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, JAVIER, UH, IT'S VERY, VERY, UH, RARE THAT, UH, A FRONT LIT SIGN WILL GET A MAJORITY VOTE HERE ON THE COMMISSION.
UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WHAT IS COMMON NOW, UH, WHAT IS THE THING THAT THE, THE STANDARD THAT IS EXPECTED, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, I GUESS YOU SAY A REAR LIT IS WHAT THE, THE PER CORRECT LANGUAGE REVERSE CHANNEL.
INDIRECT IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COMMON SIGN IS FOR THIS BUSINESS OR FOR THE BRAND, UH, THE BRAND OR WHOEVER IT WOULD BE, I WOULD IMAGINE WE, WE WOULD ASK TO ADHERE TO THE INDIRECT LIGHTING.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE CAN ASK AND PRETTY MUCH EXPECT THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD SAY, ALMOST SAY, HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THAT THEY WOULD SAY YES TO? TH THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR THAT.
UH, YEAH, THE REQUEST IS FOR INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN.
I IF, UH, IF THAT'S NOT DEEMED AS APPROPRIATE, UH, IF WE COULD MOUNT THE SIGN AND PUT LIGHTS ON IT, UH, FROM, UH, THE CANOPY, THAT WOULD BE, UH, ACCEPTABLE AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA, NEXT QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, I'M, THIS IS POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I'M, I FEEL LIKE YOU HELD SOMETHING UP, BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT ON THE APPLICATION IS WHICH, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT TODAY OR WHAT DID YOU HOLD UP EARLIER? IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A MONUMENT.
SO, WELL, WHAT WE, WHAT WE REQUESTED WAS WE REQUESTED TWO SIGNS, ONE ON THE BUILDING AND ONE ON THE POLE THAT EXISTS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IF, IF YOU LIKE, YOU CAN GO TO STREET VIEW AND SHOW THAT, THAT THAT POLE IS THERE.
IT'S BEEN THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS I BELIEVE.
UH, AND SO, UH, WE WERE, UH, INFORMED THAT A POLE SIGN IS NOT APPROPRIATE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN SEE UP AND DOWN IN THE WORD GRANDFATHERED AND SO FORTH.
WE, WE THOUGHT WE WERE BEING SMART, REUSING THE EXISTING.
SO WHAT I DID HOLD, HOLD UP AND IT WAS, I DIDN'T SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY SOON ENOUGH FOR THEM TO GET IT ON, ON YOUR, ON YOUR PACKET, BUT IT'S BASICALLY, UH, LOWERING THE SIGN AND PUTTING A MASONRY BASE THAT MATCHES THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, UH, AS APPROVED THE LAST TIME.
BRIAN, CAN YOU, THE CITY HAS PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD? WELL, IT'S NOT THIS, HE, HE'S GOT AN OVERVIEW.
I GUESS MY POINT IS YOU'RE, THAT'S, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
I, I, I DID TACK ON AT THE LAST, UH, UH, BIT OF THAT COMMENT, UH, SORRY IF IT WASN'T MORE CLEAR.
THAT, THAT IF YOU COULD, UH, ALLOW STAFF TO WORK WITH US ON THAT PART OF IT.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BLUE SIGN ON THE BUILDING YES.
AND, AND FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW, JUST TO ADD, UH, FURTHER CLARIFICATION, I THINK THAT THAT WAS A PRETTY ACCURATE, BUT THE, UM, ANY REQUEST FOR MONUMENT SIGNAGE LIKE THAT WAS JUST SHOWN, UM, WOULD LIKELY REQUIRE HGRC REVIEW.
SO THAT MIGHT BE FROM, YOU KNOW, NEXT HEARING OR NOVEMBER 4TH OR, UH, WHENEVER WE RECEIVE AN APPLICATION.
SO IT'LL COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION.
SO, YES, UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS.
SO YOU DID, UM, UH, CLARIFY THE INDIRECT LIGHTING.
WHAT ABOUT THE RACEWAY OR MOUNTING IT INDIVIDUALLY? LETTERS? YEAH.
BE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE, UH, FACADE EXISTS SINCE THE WORK HAD BEEN DONE, IT WOULD NOT BE, UH, POSSIBLE FOR US TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY.
SO WITHOUT UNDOING A LOT OF THE MAINSTREAM WORK AND SO FORTH FOR POWER TO COME THROUGH THAT WALL SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE RACEWAY CAME, UH, CAME FORWARD.
UM, AND THEN DURABLE MATERIALS, WHATEVER THAT THEY'RE INDUSTRY STANDARD.
IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY DURABLE.
UH, LIKE ANY OTHER SIGN, COMMERCIAL SIGN THAT ON THE EXTERIOR WOULD BE OKAY.
AND THEN PIG ON, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLLAND'S QUESTION IS YOU DO REALIZE THE GUIDELINES SAY NO MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET TOTAL FOR TWO SIGNS.
THE KEYWORD THERE BEING GUIDELINES.
SO THIS, WELL, YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION LONG ENOUGH, SO EVEN IF WE APPROVE, APPROVE THIS SIGN, YOU WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER THAT.
SO WOULDN'T YOU RATHER COME BACK WITH THE PROPOSAL OF THE TWO SIGNS TOGETHER? NO, NO, NO.
WE, WE NEED TO GET A SIGN APPROVED AND THEN IF JOEL WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH THE ISSUE FOR THE OTHER SIGN, WE CERTAINLY WOULD BE HAPPY TO COME BACK.
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HAVE NOT CONSIDERED REDUCING THE SIZE OF THIS SIGN, BECAUSE EVEN THE OTHER SIGNS THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING TO ALONG THE STREET MM-HMMTHEY ARE ALSO IN A VERY SMALLER SCALE.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR COMMENT.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED REDUCING THE SIGN IN SQUARE FOOTAGE? THE SIGN ON THE, ON THE BUILDING IS, I BELIEVE 48 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT I REQUEST IS 46, 48, 46.
WELL, BUT IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING ADDING ANOTHER SIGN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE EVEN MUCH LIKE THE, THE LAST, UH, CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET, UH, FOR A VARIETY, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY EXISTING SIGNAGE.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PROOF THAT THERE WAS AN EXISTING SIGNAGE ON THIS BUILDING THAT YOU, WOULD YOU PULL UP THE, UH, THE STREET VIEW ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE? UH, THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO.
I, I, I'M SORRY, I WISH IT WAS MORE OBVIOUS, BUT, BUT COMMISSIONERS, IT'S FINE TO GATHER INFORMATION ON THIS, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, POLE SIGN IS NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
SO ON THE BUILDING, THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY EXISTING SIGNAGE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERENCING TO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING SIGN.
IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON THE, THE POLL, UH, APPRECIATE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THINKING AHEAD.
UH, BUT WELL, I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU BECAUSE EVEN IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY THAT, AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE ON THIS COMMISSION AND LIKE YOU'VE ALSO LISTENED HERE, IS WE'RE SETTING, YOU KNOW, A HISTORY.
SO ONCE WE APPROVE ONE DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE OTHER ONE.
MAYBE YOU WANNA COME BACK WITH THE FULL PACKAGE, LIKE WE HAVE DONE MANY TIMES FOR OTHER PAST.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR, UH, SUGGESTION.
WE, WE PREFER TO, UH, MAKE OUR CASE HERE, UH, FOR THE ONE SIGN AND WOULD COME BACK WITH THE HOPES IF WE DO, UH, BASED ON THE OWNER'S, UH, PREROGATIVE THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE LOCATION SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THE, THE, OKAY, ONE LAST QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THE FACADE THAT THE SIGNAGE IS LIKE, ARE YOU THE 50% OF THE LENGTH OF THE BUILDING THAT THE SIGN IS MAYBE LOOK AT? I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO, ANY QUESTIONS? NOT AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONER DAVIS? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER MOOKA, ZIKA? NO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO QUESTIONS.
MR. CHAIRMAN? COMMISSIONER MAMAN? NO QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION, SIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF A QUESTION FIRST.
IS THAT OKAY? UH, STEPH, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, UM, MENTIONED THE USE OF EXTERNAL LIGHTING, LIKE EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? SO, UH, FOR THE WALL-MOUNTED SIGN, YEAH.
SO, UM, INDIRECT LIGHTING WOULD ON THE WALL-MOUNTED SIGN MEET STIPULATION TWO? NO, BUT I THINK HE SAID LIKE, LIKE IF YOU HIT THE SIGN AND THEN YOU HAD A LIGHT THAT WAS ILLUMINATING THE SIGN, THAT WAS AWNING.
AWNING, UH, JAVIER, COULD YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH, YEAH.
WE, WE HAVE LIGHT DIRECTED TO THE SIGN, UH, FROM UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY.
SO AT NIGHT YOU COULD SEE THE SIGN, BUT IT'S NOT ITSELF INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED OR REVERSE CHANNEL, UH, BACKLIT? UH, GENERALLY YES.
I MEAN WE WOULD NEED TO SEE AN UPDATED SIGNAGE PACKAGE TO VERIFY, BUT INDIRECT SIGNAGE OR INDIRECT LIGHTING COULD BE ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, GROUND LIT, UM, GOOSENECK, THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT, UM, PRODUCTS AND, UM, WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT STIPULATION.
WELL THEN, MR. CHAIR, WITH THAT, I'M MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE ITEM ONE.
UH, ITEM TWO IN THAT INDIRECT LIGHTING MEANS CANOPY MOUNTED ELIMINATION AND, UH, TO NOT REQUIRE ITEM THREE PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO HAVE THE CHANNEL AS INVISIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THEY'RE NOT ITEMS, IT'S JUST ONE ITEM WITH STIPULATION ONE AND TWO AND THAT'S IT.
WELL THEN WE, YEAH, NO, EXACTLY.
IS THAT OKAY? AND I'LL SIGN THAT? YES.
SO ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THAT'S ACCEPTABLE? YES.
OKAY, FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GARCIA? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER.
NO, JUST, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS THE ONLY ITEM.
TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS THE, UM, THE, IT'S 46 SQUARE FEET, BUT I DO WANNA COME BACK.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A 30% OF THE FACADE IN LENGTH.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SIGN IN A SMALLER SCALE, LIKE THE SAME, WE'RE NOT,
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I'M OPEN TO NOT BE 50 TOTAL.IF YOU COME BACK WITH A FULL SIGNAGE PLAN SHOWING LIKE WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT ONE ON THE STREET, HOW CAN WE WORK TO, MAYBE, YOU KNOW ME A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THE ONE HERE IN THE FRONT COULD BE REDUCED SO THAT WE CAN BE OPEN TO SEEING ANOTHER SIGN ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND I THINK REDUCING IT, ITS SIZE WILL ALSO HELP WITH THE RACEWAY BEING LESS VISIBLE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I, I STILL THINK THAT YOU SHOULD COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL WITH BOTH SIGNS, UH, THE SAME WAY THAT THE PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, CASE WAS, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED TO US.
I'M NOT, WE, THAT'S WHY THE GUIDELINES SAY 50, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
AND I WOULD SAY I WOULD RATHER SEE IT ALL AS A ONE PACKAGE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF THE, UH, MOTION MAKER.
UH, SINCE THE, SINCE YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE, UH, INDIRECT LIGHTING, THEN A SURFACE MOUNTED RACEWAY WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING POWER TO EACH OF THE LETTERS.
SO, UH, INDIVIDUALLY MOUNTING THE LETTERS TO THE WALL, AS IN ITEM THREE, UH, WOULD YOU MIND, WOULD YOU CONSIDER REVISING YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT? UM, IT, IT'S A REASONABLE, UH, I, I JUST, IF IT, IF IT WAS MY NEW WALL, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE DRILLING AND THE WEIGHT OF THE LETTERS.
UH, IF THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE AND I'LL POSE THAT TO THE APPLICANT.
UH, I IMAGINE THE LETTERS ARE VERY LIGHTWEIGHT, IT'S A LOT MORE LABOR, BUT, UH, IS THAT, THAT POINT? I'LL CONCUR AND KEEP THE ACCEPTABLE THE SECOND AS IS.
AND KEEP THE SECOND AS IS BECAUSE THE RACEWAY DOES HELP NOT DRILLING 20 SOMETHING HOLES IN THE BUILDING.
WELL, PERHAPS WE CAN LEAVE THE MOTION AS IT IS, MR. CHAIR, AND, AND SEND THAT WITH THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER DOING THAT SINCE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO RUN ELECTRICITY.
COMMISSIONER GARCIA? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER HOLLAND, NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER DAVIS? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER MOOKA? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER MAMMON? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY? NO COMMENT MR. CHAIR.
UH, THEN I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.