[00:00:09] >> MAYOR JONES: GOOD MORNING, THE TIME IS NOW 11:04 P.M. ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2006 AND THE MEETING OF THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. CLERK, PLEASE CALL ROLL. >> CLERK: [Approval of Minutes  ] MAYOR, WE HAVE QUORUM. >> MAYOR JONES: IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> VIAGRAN: MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> MAYOR JONES: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ALL APPROVE, SAY AYE. (AYES.) >> MAYOR JONES: OPPOSED, SAY NO. THE MOTION PASSES. THREE MEMBERS HAVE SIGNED UP. RONNIE BEXAR. >> OKAY. YOU'VE GOT SIX MINUTES, SIR. >> I'LL BE REAL BRIEF, I'M RONNIE BAKER, I'VE BEEN A CHARITABLE GAMING FOR 40 YEARS, I ALSO REPRESENT THE AMERICAN LEGION, THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS, WHICH I'M VERY ACTIVE IN. I'VE DROPPED OFF A COFFEE STYLE BOOK THAT WE GAVE OUT AT THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO EVERY HOUSE MEMBER AND EVERY SENATOR. IN 40 YEARS, THE STATE OF BINGO, WHICH WAS VERY VIBRANT IN THE THE 1980S HAS GONE FROM 1,800 NONPROFITS TO FEWER THAN 900. THAT BOOK TELLS A STORY ACROSS THE SECTION OF WHAT THE CHARITIES DO ACROSS TEXAS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS UNDER ATTACK FROM ILLEGAL ELECTRONIC GAMING DEVICES. I WOULD WARN YOU RIGHT NOW THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT JUST OUTLAWED 80,000 SWEEPSTAKES AND SKILL-BASED MACHINES. I RECEIVED A CALL, AS I SPEAK TO YOU, THEY'RE BEING PACKAGED UP AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SENT TO TEXAS. THERE IS A PROLIFERATION OF GAME ROOMS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. I LIVE IN NEW BRAUNFELS, TEXAS. I COVER SIX OFFICES IN THE ENTIRE STATE. YOU CAN'T GO IN A SERVICE STATION, IN A 7-ELEVEN OR WINGSTOP AND NOT SEE THREE TO FIVE MACHINES. ON TOP OF THAT, YOU SEE GAME ROOMS THAT HOUSE AS MANY AS 25 TO 100 ILLEGAL MACHINES. THE ISSUE BECOMES HOW DO WE DO SOMETHING THAT WE IMPACT THAT? AND RECENTLY, MY TEAM AND I WROTE THE REGULATION FOR NUECES COUNTY, CORPUS CHRISTI, RIGHT AFTER COVID. WE CLOSED OVER 100 GAME ROOMS. WE GOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, CITY AND COUNTY ON OUR SIDE. THE BIG THING FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE IN THIS MEETING TODAY TO KNOW IS THAT CHARITABLE BINGO PAID RIGHT AT $28 MILLION, IT'S CALLED WINNERS FEES THAT, IS DISTRIBUTED 2.5% TO THE STATE, 1.25 PERCENT TO THE CITY, 1.25% TO THE COUNTY. HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO BEXAR COUNTY? EACH YEAR, BEXAR COUNTY AND THE CITY HAS EACH RECEIVED OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN WINNER FEES FROM CHARITABLE BINGO. GAME ROOMS, GAME ROOMS FUND ZERO. THEY DO NOTHING. THAT HANDBOOK THAT I JUST PASSED OUT LISTS NUMEROUS CHARITIES THAT THEIR MACHINE IS BASED ON CHARITABLE BINGO. WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE COMPETITION FOR THE RECREATIONAL DOLLAR WITH ILLEGAL GAME ROOMS AND MACHINES IS TAKING AWAY THAT PROFITABILITY. THE FACT THAT CHARITIES HAVE LOST FUNDING FROM BOTH STATE AND COUNTY AMPLIFIES THE NEED FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND BEXAR COUNTY TO GET ON BOARD WITH MY TEAM AND LET US HELP YOU CRAFT A REGULATION THAT WILL PERMIT, REGULATE OR CLOSE ILLEGAL GAME ROOMS. THE ISSUE BECOMES -- AND SO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE POINTED OUT IS THAT BESIDES THE 85,000 MACHINES THAT HAVE NO PLACE TO GO, BUT WILL BE HERE IN TEXAS, THE CRIMES THAT WE SAW IN NUECES COUNTY INCLUDED MONEY LAUNDERING FROM CARTELS, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, MURDER, RAPE, AA ARSON, BURGLARY. THE MOST RECENT AG'S OPINION HOLDS THAT ALL GAMES, I DON'T CARE IF THEY CALL THEM SCALE-BASE OR NOT, HAVE A -- HAVE A PERCEPTION, THERE IS A GAME -- THERE'S A SLIGHT -- IT'S CALLED A CHANCE PERSPECTIVE IN THAT GAME WHICH MAKES THEM ILLEGAL. SO WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS WE CAN HELP YOU WRITE THE REGULATION. WE CAN THROUGH ENLISTING NEWSPAPER, RADIO AND TELEVISION, WHICH WE DID IN CORPUS OVER A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS, WE WERE ABLE TO CLOSE OVER 100 OF THOSE GAME ROOMS. THE UMBRELLA THAT CAME OUT OF TEXARKANA ON A COURT DECISION THAT SEEMED TO SAY SKILL-BASED MACHINES ARE ILLEGAL ONLY WAS FOR THOSE COUNTIES AND IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU CANNOT PAY [00:05:04] CASH. THAT REQUIRES A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. I WOULD ASK FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK, WE'VE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHICH WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU AT ANOTHER DATE, BUT WE ARE ALL ON BOARD TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING, BECAUSE I REPRESENT CHARITIES ACROSS THE STATE. YES, I AM A BINGO DISTRIBUTOR, BUT I ALSO BELONG TO THE AMERICAN LEGION. MY POST RAISED OVER A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE FLOOD KICTS IN KERRVILLE, AND WE CONTINUE TO FUND THAT, SO ANYTHING THAT THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE, MADAM MAYOR, THAT YOU CAN DO, WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. EDDIE HEINMEYER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M EDDIE HIEN MEYER WITH THE STAFF PROFESSIONALS AND REPEATING WHAT RONNIE BAKER WAS SAYING, I HAVE 40-SOME BINGO HALLS ACROSS THE STATE WHERE I AM DESIGNATED AS THE DESIGNATED AGENT OF THE BINGO ENABLING ACT, THAT'S TO A TAKE CARE OF THE BOOKKEEPING, KEEP THINGS STRAIGHT. HE WAS MENTIONING IN NUECES COUNTY, IN CORPUS, WHEN WE WENT IN THERE, MY TEAM ALSO HELPED WITH THE COUNTY JUDGE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, TRYING TO GET RID OF THE GAME ROOMS DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE -- LIKE HE SAID, OVER 100 OF THEM. THERE WAS PROSTITUTION, THERE WAS GANG WARS BETWEEN EACH OTHER, THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF ISSUES. THE CITY MAKES NOTHING OFF OF THEM. BY GETTING LICENSING, AND WE GOT LICENSING INTO EFFECT IN NUECES COUNTY AND IT WENT DOWN FROM OVER 100 TO LESS THAN 10. IT'S COMING BACK UP AGAIN -- MACHINES AND THINGS THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO, PLEASE, WE NEED YOUR HELP. I'M A MEMBER OF ROTARY AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH CHARITABLE BINGO SINCE THE '80S, BUT THE CHARITIES ARE LOSING THEIR PLACES BECAUSE THE GAME ROOMS AND ALL ARE STEALING THE MONEY WHERE THEY DON'T GIVE ANY INCOME TO THE STATE, THE COUNTY OR ANYONE, SO WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE HERE TO PLEASE GET THIS DONE, IF POSSIBLE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. [Briefing and Possible Action on  ] WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ACTION ITEM. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE CAPTION FOR ITEM 2. >> CLERK: ITEM NUMBER 2 IS A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST BY COUNCILMEMBER MARC WHYTE, DISTRICT 10, ON A SHOVEL-READY, SA SITE READINESS PILOT PROGRAM. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. IS THERE A STAFF PRESENTATION? >> HICKS-SORENSON: GOOD MORNING. I'M BRENDA HICKS-SORENSON I'LL BE PRESENTING ON THIS. AS WAS REFERENCED, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY MARC WHYTE ON AUGUST 20, 2026, REALLY FOCUSING ON IDENTIFYING TWO OR THREE SITES FOR A PILOT PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES LEGAL AND FUNDING VEHICLES BEST SUITED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PILOT TO REALLY MAKE THOSE SITES READY FOR INDUSTRIAL INVESTMENT OR CORPORATE INVESTMENT, LOOKING AT WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH THE CHAPTER 380 OR THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ACTS TYPE A OR B. AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS A TYPE B WITH THE SAN ANTONIO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, FOR EXAMPLE. LOOKING AT ALL THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO INFRASTRUCTURE, CPS ENERGY, SAWS FOR UTILITIES, WHAT OTHER REQUIREMENTS ARE NEEDED, AS WELL AS LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF FUNDING CITY FUNDS ARE INVESTED FOR THESE THREE SITES, IF THEY'RE PRIVATELY OWNED, WHAT KIND OF LEGAL AND ADDITIONAL RAMIFICATIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE AND THEN WHAT KINDS OF OPERATIONAL ASSESSMENTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD TAKE PLACE WITH A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD. CONSIDERATIONS, OF COURSE, SHOVEL READY, WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT COMPETITIVENESS WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TIME IS MONEY, SO SHOVEL-READY SITES PROVIDE FASTER, MORE PREDICTABLE TIMELINES FOR THOSE INVESTORS. THEY ALSO IMPROVE THE OVERALL MARKETABILITY AND DEAL-CLOSING CAPABILITY TION FOR A COMMUNITY. IT DOES ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO ALIGN THOSE SITES WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. IT DOES, HOWEVER, REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT UP FRONT ACQUISITION COST AND INFRASTRUCTURE COST. AND IN SOME COMMUNITIES, YOU NEED TO HOLD ONTO THOSE PROPERTIES FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO THERE'S THE CARRYING COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THERE'S ALSO DEEP TECHNICAL EXPERTISE AND COMPLEX INTERAGENCY AND INTERDEPARTMENTAL MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH A MUNICIPALITY MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS KIND OF PROGRAM. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS AND CONTINUES TO LOOK AT SUCH OPPORTUNITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, MOST RECENTLY, ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPDATE OF THE SAN ANTONIO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK, WHICH WE ARE JUST IN PROCESS OF COMPLETING, BUT ONE OF THE SUBCOMPONENTS OF THAT DELIVERABLES WAS A SITE READINESS ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS COMPLETED IN JULY OF 2026. [00:10:03] 13 SITES WERE EVALUATED BY A COMPANY CALLED GLOBAL LOCATIONS STRATEGIES, THREE OF THEM WERE ELIMINATED FOLLOWING A DESKTOP REVIEW. 10 SITES MOVED FORWARD FOR BOTH THAT MORE IN-DEPTH DESKTOP REVIEW AS WELL AS AN IN-PERSON SITE TOUR AND DEEP DIVE ASSESSMENT WITH THE UTILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND SO FORTH. AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AND ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS ON TWO OR THREE SITES TO CONTINUE THAT, WHAT WE WOULD CALL DEEP DIVE FOR THAT ASSESSMENT ON WHAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THOSE GAPS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT REPORT. AND, IN FACT, WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP IN NOVEMBER TO PURSUE THAT. THIS WAS ALSO CONTEMPLATED IN 2023 UNDER THE SAN ANTONIO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THERE WAS A SITE IDENTIFIED, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF ASSESSMENTS RUN ON SAID SITE, AND WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR AN ACQUISITION, AS A RESULT, THE EDC BYLAWS WERE CHANGED IN 2023, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY IN JANUARY OF 2025, THE INVESTMENT GUIDELINES FOR THE SAN ANTONIO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WERE AMENDED TO INCLUDE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF ACTIVITIES IN THE PAST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND THEN, OF COURSE, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK UPDATE AND THOSE DELIVERABLES. AT THE SAME TIME WITHIN THE CONTRACT FOR GREATER SA TX GIVEN THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THEY'RE DEVELOPING A SITE READINESS PROGRAM BASED ON THE SITE SELECTORS GILD. THEY'RE A NATIONAL/INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION WITH SITE CONSULTANTS WHO THEN HAVE DEVELOPED A READY SITE KIND OF CRITERIA, IF YOU WILL. GREATER SA TX HAS BEEN WORKING ON DEVELOPING THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR SAN ANTONIO AND THE REGION, AND ARE WORKING WITH PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE CRITERIA, IF YOU WILL, ARE MET. SO THAT'S IN PROCESS OF BEING ROLLED OUT. WITH THAT, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS IS REFERRED TO THE ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, AND THAT WE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OPTIONS, INCLUDING THOSE FUNDING AND RESOURCE NEEDS AND THE POTENTIAL TIMELINE. SO THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WHYTE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> WHYTE: YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. EXCITED THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY ON THIS CCR. I APPRECIATE ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS WHO SUPPORTED THIS AND SIGNED ONTO IT. LOOK, SPEED, CERTAINTY AND READINESS MATTER. AND AS GREATER SA TX HAS SAID, AND I HAVE THEIR LETTER OF SUPPORT HERE, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT, SITE READINESS HAS BECOME A DEFINING FACTOR IN CORPORATE LOCATION DECISIONS. WE ARE IN A FIGHT WITH NOT JUST OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS, BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES. WHY DOES THAT MATTER? WELL, IT MATTERS ESPECIALLY FOR US AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE REVENUE ISSUES WE HAVE AS A CITY, WE NEED TO CREATE MORE REVENUE FOR SAN ANTONIO, WE NEED TO CREATE MORE JOBS FOR OUR CITIZENS. AND THIS PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE WILL DO THAT. TIME IS MONEY. THE FASTER THE BUSINESSES CAN GET INTO OPERATIONS AND MAKE MONEY, THE BETTER FOR THEM. WE WILL BE AT A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE IF WE CAN ESTABLISH SITES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WHERE BUSINESSES FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY CAN RELOCATE OR WHETHER SOME OF OUR OWN BUSINESSES CAN USE THESE SITES TO EXPAND. SO I'M HAPPY WE'RE HERE TODAY ON THIS. WE NEED TO BE THINKING MORE ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE STRATEGIES THAT WILL IMPROVE OUR ABILITY TO ATTRACT BUSINESSES, ATTRACT JOBS AND CREATE REVENUE FOR OUR CITY. THIS SHOVEL-READY SA CCR, THE PILOT PROGRAM IT PROPOSES WILL DO THAT, AND I WOULD -- I AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WOULD PREEPT THE SUPPORT. THANKS. >> MAYOR JONES: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, SO WE MAY BEGIN DISCUSSION. >> SECOND. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. GREAT. BRENDA, CAN I ASK, YOU OUTLINED A COUPLE OF EFFORTS THAT SEEMED VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO AND HAVE BEEN STARTED PREVIOUSLY, 2023, YOU MENTIONED ONE, YOU MENTIONED GREATER SA TX'S CURRENT EFFORT, I KNOW IN MY MONTHLY ENGAGEMENT, I'VE ASKED THEM, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE MAP OF SITES THAT ARE ALREADY READY, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLAY THAT SEEM VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. SO HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT? AND CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW WE MIGHT THINK -- BECAUSE THE CHAIR FOR EWDC IS HERE SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE HER SUFFICIENT DIRECTION WHEN THEY TAKE THIS UP, WHICH IS HOW WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER THE UTILITIES AS PART OF THIS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BE FRANK, WHY SOME OF THE OTHER EFFORTS, WA THEY ARE, WHY THEY ARE WHERE [00:15:03] THEY ARE AND WHAT THIS CCR WOULD ACTUALLY ADD TO THOSE EFFORTS. >> HICKS-SORENSON: SURE. IT'S REALLY COMPLEMENTARY TO THE EXISTING EFFORTS. THE EFFORT IN 2023, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS FOCUSED ON A PARTICULAR SITE WHEN ALL OF THE NUMBERS WERE RUN BASED ON CPS, SAWS, ALL OF THE PARTNERS WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THE ACQUISITION COST, WE WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO HAVE A 2 BILLION, WITH A B, DOLLAR INVESTMENT ON THE SITE. AND SO IT JUST, QUITE HONESTLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME, REALLY DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PURSUE. HOWEVER, WE DECIDED TO FOCUS -- AND THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY SHIFTED -- ON WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS THROUGH THE EFFORT THAT GREATER SA TX IS DOING ON MAKING SURE THAT THEIR SITES ARE READY. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, WE MIGHT BE MISSING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OR THERE HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN ANY CONVERSATION WITH CPS OR SAWS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE, SO WE HAVE RUN INTO SOME SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WILL TAKE THREE, FOUR YEARS FOR THAT APPROPRIATE INTO BE THERE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN AWARE OF THAT. SO SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS HAVE -- WE'VE -- PROJECTS HAVE LOOKED ELSEWHERE THEN, IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE OF THAT. SO REALLY WORKING WITH THOSE PRIVATE SECTOR LANDOWNERS IS WHERE THE FOCUS HAS BEEN. THIS EFFORT SHIFTS BACK TO LOOKING AT INCLUDING THE CITY OR A POTENTIAL ENTITY LIKE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION OR SOMETHING ELSE POTENTIALLY ACQUIRING THE LAND AND, AGAIN, BEING THAT LAND DEVELOPER. IT ALSO INCLUDES A NUMBER OF THE OTHER PIECES, IF YOU WILL, THAT GOES ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THE CCR REFERENCES ENSURING THAT WE LOOK AT PERMITTING AND ZONING AND ALL THAT, WHICH IS WHAT THE REPORT THAT GLOBAL LOCATION STRATEGIES INCORPORATED AS WELL. WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE FOR THOSE 10 SITES. >> MAYOR JONES: YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. A CCR THAT SAYS DO MORE BETTER FASTER, IN LIGHT OF WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING AND WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT DUPLICATIVE OF SOME OF THOSE EFFORTS ALREADY. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, GREATER SA TX IS -- DO THEY ALREADY HAVE A PRODUCT THAT LAYS OUT THEIR SHOVEL-READY SITES? THEIR SITES THAT ARE READY. THERE'S A CHECKLIST THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED. THEY'RE JUST IN PROCESS OF REALLY RULING IT OUT, THEY'RE IN ALIGNMENT. I REALLY SEE THIS AS COMPLEMENTARY AND IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING AROUND THE -- IN OUR CASE, THE TWO TO THREE SITES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND WILL BE MEETING LATER -- WELL, IN NOVEMBER TO FURTHER DISCUSS WITH, AGAIN, CPS, SAWS, GREATER SATX, THE PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNERS AS WE CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. WHAT -- JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND, WHAT GAP DOES IT FILL? YOU SAID IT'S COMPLEMENTARY. WHAT GAP DOES IT FILL? >> HICKS-SORENSON: THIS ONE, QUITE HONESTLY, WHEN WE WERE CONTEMPLATING, GIVING THE EXPERIENCE IN 2023, WE INITIALLY WERE NOT CONTEMPLATING THE CITY OR AN ARM OF THE CITY ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY, JUST GIVEN THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT PARTNERSHIP AND COLLABORATION. IN THIS CASE, WITH THE CCR, WE WOULD CERTAINLY INCLUDE THAT AS AN EVALUATION PROCESS. THE ACQUISITION AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> MAYOR JONES: THE CITY ACQUIRING THE PROPERTY? >> HICKS-SORENSON: EITHER THE CITY OR THE CCR ALSO REFERENCES LOCAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS UNDER TYPE A, TYPE BES, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF STATE LAW THAT ALLOWS FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS. >> MAYOR JONES: LIKE CONCEIVABLY A TIRZ? >> HICKS-SORENSON: TIRZ IS A FUNDING MECHANISM, NOT NECESSARILY THE TYPE OF ORGANIZATION, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SAN ANTONIO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS CONSIDERED A COMPONENT UNIT. IT'S A TYPE B UNDER THAT LOCAL DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT'S ONE ENTITY. THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS. SO THERE MAY BE SOME CITIES ESTABLISH THOSE TYPE A, TYPE B ORGANIZATIONS TO DO THIS TYPE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. I'M JUST CONCEIVABLY TRYING TO THINK OF LIKE A REAL-WORLD EXAMPLE WHERE YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY USE REVENUE FROM A TIRZ TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY TO MAKE IT INTO A SHOVEL-READY SITE, IS THAT A POTENTIAL PATHWAY? >> HICKS-SORENSON: CONCEIVABLY. >> MAYOR JONES: IT WOULD BE HELPFUL SO WE PROVIDE THE CHAIR WITH SPECIFIC GUIDANCE -- WERE YOU GOING TO SAY SOMETHING, YOU BROUGHT THE MIC FORWARD. >> WALSH: I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, MAYOR, THAT I THINK PROBABLY THE UNDERLYING ISSUE AS WE GO THROUGH THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE THE FUNDING. >> MAYOR JONES: YEAH. >> WALSH: AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION PROBABLY FROM -- THAT WILL NEED TO INVOLVE CPS AND SAWS AS WELL. AND THAT IS PROBABLY THE GAP, THOSE PRIOR EFFORTS [00:20:07] BRENDA JUST DESCRIBED 2023, THE TRAIN STOPPED ON THE TRACK WHEN WE HEARD THE NUMBER. >> MAYOR JONES: WHAT WAS THE NUMBER. >> WALSH: 2 BILLION. >> MAYOR JONES: 2 BILLION. THANK YOU. >> WALSH: YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK GREATER SA TX HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT WITH THEIR WORK -- THEY WILL, BUT I THINK THIS WILL HELP JUMP START IT. BUT WHAT IS A POTENTIALLY ACTIONABLE PLAN AND WHAT DOES IT COST AND HOW DO WE RECOVER OUR COSTS AND -- BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK, IS HOW DO WE PARTNER WITH LANDOWNERS OR OTHER DEVELOPERS TO GET THOSE SITES READY. SO I THINK THAT'S -- THAT'S THE MISSING PIECE THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE HERE LOCALLY. AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE HARDEST PART, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THE MONEY IS ALWAYS THE HARDEST PART. AGREED. COUNCILMAN MUNGIA, PLEASE? >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING AND I SUPPORT THIS CCR. I THINK, BRENDA, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE 10 SITES LISTED IN THAT STUDY. I THINK I REMEMBER CORRECTLY A GOOD CHUNK OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY IN DISTRICT FOUR, RIGHT? >> HICKS-SORENSON: YES, SIR. >> MUNGIA: SO THAT'S GOOD. I MEAN, I -- MAYBE WE COULD HAVE -- IF THIS GOES ON, WE COULD HAVE SOME INVESTMENT ON THAT. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, SO MY PREFERENCE IN THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE TO TARGET COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY VERSUS INDUSTRIAL, JUST DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING OUR MONEY. AND I WOULD ALSO WONDER HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE CAREFUL TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SITE, INVEST IN IT TO BE SHOVEL READY, AND THEN HAVE TO HAVE THAT PROPERTY OWNER KIND OF SELL IT TO THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND DEVELOP IT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE -- WHO'S GOING TO BE BENEFITING FROM THAT COST OF SERVICE IS HELPING WITH THE JOBS OR THE LOCATION OR THE NUMBERS OF WHATEVER BUSINESS IS GOING TO MOVE IN THERE, RIGHT? THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHO AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALSO WHAT THIS COULD LEAD TO IS COMPANYING AND FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE INVESTMENT ON THEIR OWN, THAT WE ARE DOING WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE IT EASY AND FACILITATE THAT PROCESS IN A QUICKER MANNER. BECAUSE IT COMES UP EVERY SINGLE TIME, AND WE NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS AT ONE OF OUR COMMITTEES, BUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PERMITTING PROCESS, I THINK, IS WHERE WE NEED TO REALLY HONE IN ON BECAUSE THESE FOLKS HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF CAPITAL THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO SPEND ON THEIR PROPERTY, BUT THEIR MAIN COMPLAINT IS THAT IT'S TAKING SO LONG TO DO ALL OF THE STEPS AND OW ALL OF THE PROCESSES, AND THEY'VE GOT THE MONEY READY TO GO. SO HOW CAN WE UNLEASH THAT PRIOR CAPITAL THAT MAY ALREADY EXIST BY HELPING OURSELVES WITH THE PERMIT PROCESS AND WITH OUR COORDINATION WITH OUR UTILITIES BECAUSE THAT'S BECOMING A HUGE THING ALSO, RIGHT? THE POWER LINES AND THE WATER AND ALL OF THAT. I THINK THAT GOES SOMEWHAT TO THE CONVERSATION I BROUGHT UP WITH THE SAWS RATE INCREASE, RIGHT, WAS HOW DO WE HELP FOLKS BUILD, OUT SIZE CAPACITY THAT THEY NEED OUTSIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE SOMETIMES HAVING TO PAY FOR THAT ALSO. SO NOT ONLY PAYING FOR THE KEK SLUN INTO THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE ALSO HAVING TO BRING THE CONNECTION DOWN, AND SOMETIMES THE CONNECTION EXIST AND THEY'RE HAVING TO EXPAND THAT CONNECT SHUN GREATER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW. I THINK THIS WILL BE A GOOD WAY TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? BRENDA, WHAT I'D -- AND MAYBE COUNCILMAN WHYTE, IF YOU'VE GOT THOUGHTS ON IT? ARE YOU LEAVING? OH, OKAY. WHAT I THINK IS HELPFUL, WHEN WE THINK TO COUNCILMAN MUNGIA'S POINT ABOUT THE USE OF THIS, RIGHT, WE'RE NOT TALKING SHOVEL READY FOR DATA CENTERS, RIGHT? WE WANT TO TALK -- SO THIS IS FOR YOU, CHAIR VIAGRAN, MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY THINKING ABOUT KIND OF THE MINIMUM STANDARDS BY WHICH WE WOULD THINK THIS IS GOING TO BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. I WOULD ALSO APPRECIATE, BRENDA, SOME DISCUSSION, SOME ANALYSIS, THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND -- BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE THESE LARGE SITES, I COMPARE IT TO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON AT THE PORT, RIGHT? THEY'VE GOT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, BOEING'S GOT 5,000 FOLKS, STANDARD AIR -- A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS HAVE MANY, MANY JOBS, THOSE ARE HIGH-WAGE JOBS, BUT THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE A SITE SELECTION PLAN. HOW CAN WE BE KIND OF THOUGHTFUL OF THE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS OF THE KIND OF JOBS AND THE WAGES WE CONTINUE TO SEE AGAIN, IN OUR ANALYSIS, THE WAGES ARE NOT WHERE THEY NEED TO B AND OFTENTIMES WE WANT TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE KINDS OF SITES WE'RE PREPARING OURSELVES FOR, WE'RE LURING THE KINDS OF BUSINESS THAT ARE GOING TO ALSO EXPECT MASSIVE TAX ABATEMENTS, RIGHT? WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS US THE ROI OF THESE THINGS, RIGHT, VERSUS SOME OF THE TYPE OF HIGH-WAGE JOBS AT PORT SAN ANTONIO THAT [00:25:04] DON'T HAVE AN ABATEMENT, THAT DON'T HAVE A TAX INCENTIVE ON SCALE WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS. OKAY. CHAIR -- I MEAN, COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> VIAGRAN: YEAH, MAYOR. NO, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS, AND I THINK I HAVE THE DIRECTION. WE'LL GO OVER IT. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. >> VIAGRAN: -- IN DEPTH. I THINK PART OF IT -- AND I'M GOING TO USE THE EXAMPLE OF IEM THAT JUST CAME INTO THE CITY, THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE GAVE A TAX ABATEMENT TO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET, BUT WE DID INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE STREETS BEFORE THAT. >> MAYOR JONES: YEAH. >> VIAGRAN: SO TAKING A LOOK AT IT THERE, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING THAT. WHEN WE SAY SHOVEL READY, DO WE HAVE THE STREETS THERE, TO WE NEED TO BRING IN THE UTILITIES OR IS THE EXPECTATION WE GO OUT AND GET SOMEONE WHO WILL PROVIDE THEIR OWN UTILITIES. >> MAYOR JONES: YEAH, AND THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. THEY DIDN'T GET THE INCENTIVE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THE WAGES. RIGHT? SO HOW ARE WE BUILDING THESE FOR THE TYPE OF WAGES THAT OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES B, AND I'LL LOOK TO BRENDA FOR SOME ANALYSIS AGAIN ABOUT HOW WE INCORPORATE THAT AS PART OF THIS, RIGHT, VERSUS KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT AFTER. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, LET'S SEE. THERE BE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE MOVING THIS TO EWDC WITH THE DIRECTION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CHAIR. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. (AYES.) >> MAYOR JONES: ALL OPPOSED, SAY NO. OKAY. THE MOTION PASSES. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE CAPTION FOR ITEM 3. >> CLERK: ITEM 3 IS A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST FROM COUNCILMEMBER MARC WHYTE DISTRICT 10 AND COUNCILMEMBER MARINA ALDARETE GAVITO FOR THE CREATION OF A CENTRALIZED PUBLIC-FACING DATA DASHBOARD MAIRNLZ OKAY. IS THERE A STAFF PRESENTATION? >> VARGAS: GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. I'M HERE TO PRESENT ON THE CREATION OF A CENTRALIZED PUBLIC-FACING DATA DASHBOARD. I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT I HAVE A PARTNER ON THIS RESPONSE TO THE CCR IS MARSHAL RAMSEY, OUR CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER AND DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. MARSHAL REGRETFULLY IS UNABLE TO JOIN US FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY. THE CCR WAS SUBMITTED IN AUGUST OF 2026 BY COUNCIL DISTRICT 10 AND COUNCIL DISTRICT 7. IT REQUESTS THE EVALUATION OF THE FEASIBILITY FOR CREATING A CENTRALIZED DATA DASHBOARD THAT INCLUDES CREATING AND MAINTAINING A SINGLE WEB PAGE THAT SERVES AS THE CITY'S CENTRAL -- AUDIO] -- DATASETS, ORGANIZING DASHBOARDS AND DATASETS BY POLICY AREA AND OTHER MAJOR SERVICE AREAS RATHER THAN SOLELY BY DEPARTMENT, AND CONDUCTING AN INITIAL REVIEW AND PERIODIC REVIEWS THEREAFTER TO ARCHIVE, CONSOLIDATE OR REMOVE OUTDATED, DUPLICATIVE OR INACTIVE DASHBOARDS AND DATASETS. A CURRENT COSA EFFORT AND ALIGNMENT WITH THIS CCR IS OUR OPEN DATA PORTAL WHERE YOU CAN FIND DATASETS PUBLISHED BY POLICY AREA. FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE REQUESTING 90 DAYS TO ASSESS THE CITY'S CURRENT PUBLIC-FACING DATASETS, DASHBOARDS AND DATA STORIES TO CONDUCT COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND DATA NEEDS IN REGARDS TO ACCESS AND TO DEVELOP A CITY DATA AND INSIGHTS CONCEPT FOR A CENTRALIZED CUSTOMER-FACING DATA PORTAL THAT IMPROVES HOW RESIDENTS FIND, UNDERSTAND AND USE CITY DATA. STAFF WILL RETURN TO GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE TO PRESENT OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMEND AN APPROACH FOR THE CITY DATA AND INSIGHTS EXPERIENCE, INCLUDING HOW IT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR EXISTING OPEN DATA PORTAL. AT THIS TIME, WE DO HAVE A DRAFT SURVEY PREPARED IN COLLABORATION WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND ENGAGEMENT. THE SURVEY IS READY FOR DISTRIBUTION PENDING ANY FEEDBACK FROM THIS COMMITTEE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THIS. I MEAN, WE OFTEN HEAR ABOUT THE CHALLENGE WITH NAVIGATING OUR WEBSITE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A COUPLE OF DOCUMENTS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY THE CITY'S, BUT WHICH OF THE CITY IS A MEMBER. ERIK, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SOCCER FIELDS THAT HAD THE AUDIT THAT I KNOW THERE WAS PUBLIC INTEREST IN UNDERSTANDING, WOULD THE AUDIT FINDINGS OF THAT, WOULD YOU ENVISION SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE POSTED ON HERE AS WELL? >> WALSH: OPEN TO FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE. NO, I WOULDN'T SAY. I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE CCR IS MORE ABOUT OPEN DATA ON THE CITY'S PERFORMANCE, NOT NECESSARILY COLLECTING THE SAWS OR CPS OR THE SOCCER LGC AUDIT PAPERS, PAPERWORK OR FINANCIAL PAPERWORK AND INCLUDING IT. I'M OPEN TO CONVERSATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL -- OR THE COMMITTEE. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. [00:30:03] I THINK -- SO CERTAINLY, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE -- OR AT LEAST A LINK TO, RIGHT, THE UTILITIES WHERE THERE WOULD SOMETHING ELSE BE THERE. BUT THOSE ENTITIES OF WHICH WE ARE A PARTNER, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE AUDIT FINDINGS OF THOSE, I THINK, IS IMPORTANT, GIVEN THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST IN THOSE THINGS. ESPECIALLY AS -- IF THOSE ARE DOCUMENTS THAT CAN BE OPEN -- I MEAN, IF IT'S OPEN RECORDS, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED OR CAN BE AS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT, THEN IT SHOULD BE ON THAT WEB PAGE AND EASY TO FIND. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING, COUNCILWOMAN? >> VIAGRAN: YEAH, I THINK -- MARJANOVIC SORRY. >> GAVITO: THANK Y'ALL. YES, THIS REQUEST IS REALLY BECAUSE IT'S IN LIGHT OF TRANSPARENCY, RIGHT? WE HEAR WAY TOO MANY TIMES RESIDENTS ASKING WHAT IS GOING ON ON MY STREET? AND WE'LL DIRECT THEM. WE'RE THANKFUL THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE OUR OPEN DATA DASHBOARD, BUT IT IS NOT USER FRIENDLY AT ALL. YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY DIFFICULT FOR OUR TEAMS TO FIND INFORMATION. AND SO WE WANT SAN ANTONIO TO BE A TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE CITY, AND SO THIS IS AN EFFORT TO DO JUST THAT. YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, I WAS AT A COFFEE WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN THIS PAST SATURDAY, AND I HEARD THIS RESIDENT ASKING, WELL, TWO THINGS, RIGHT? ONE RESIDENT WAS ASKING, HEY, IS IT TRUE WE HAVEN'T DONE ALL OF 2017 BONDS? SO WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR ANOTHER ONE. AND SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT COMPLETION RATE. AND BUT EVEN THEM HAVING TO ATTEND ON SATURDAY JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SURE, WE WANT THAT INFORMATION PUBLIC. WHAT IS OUR COMPLETION RATE WITH 2017 AND 2022 BONDS? WE WANT THAT INFORMATION TO BE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO EASILY SEARCHABLE. THE OTHER ONE IS -- AND SOME NEIGHBORS HAVE KIND OF MADE A JOKE ABOUT IT, THEY'RE LIKE, WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS -- I'M LIKE, WELL, NO, THAT'S PART OF THE GREENWAY TRAILS. BUT IF THEY CAN'T FIND THAT INFORMATION, YOU ALL KNOW THAT WHEN RESIDENTS LACK INFORMATION, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THINGS ARE CREATED, RIGHT, STORIES ARE CREATED, AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO COMBAT THAT. SO THIS EFFORT IS FOR, AGAIN, INFORMATION TO BE TRANSPARENT, FOR THE CITY TO BE ACCOUNTABLE, BUT ALSO -- AND ALMOST AS IMPORTANT, FOR IT TO BE EASILY USABLE BY OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN -- TO THE QUESTION THAT I JUST ASKED, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO AUDITS BEING PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AUDITS ON THIS AVAILABLE. >> GAVITO: OUR PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AUDIT. >> MAYOR JONES: I MEAN, IF YOU CAN SUBMIT AN ROR REQUEST FOR IT -- MARJANOVIC THE AUDIT FOR THE SOCCER FIELD WAS NOT POSTED. WHERE WOULD IT BE POSTED? OKAY. THE CITY AUDITOR. I DON'T THINK HE HAS THAT ONE. I THINK I ASKED BUDDY ABOUT THAT. >> WALSH: THERE WASN'T. FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. >> MAYOR JONES: WHICH WAS AN AUDIT. >> WALSH: IT WAS A FINANCIAL STATEMENT, UT WAS A FINDING. IT WASN'T AN AUDIT DONE BY BUDDY. >> MAYOR JONES: NO, NO, NO, I NEVER SAID IT WAS. TO BE VERY CLEAR -- AND THAT'S WHY BUDDY DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONE THAT HE DID, BUT FOR -- SO COUNCILWOMAN, DO YOU SUPPORT HAVING THE AUDITS OR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS DONE BY OUTSIDE ENTITIES OF WHICH WE ARE PRIVY, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SOCCER FIELD, THEIR FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS, WOULD YOU APPRECIATE -- WOULD YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE ON HERE? >> GAVITO: SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE DETAILS WITH THAT. I THINK PUBLIC-FACING INFORMATION, PUBLIC-FACING INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, I MEAN, DEFINITELY WOULD WANT THE COMMITTEE TO BEEF THAT UP AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE ON THERE OR NOT. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND THAT JUST GOES TO MY POINT, THINGS HAVE TO BE EASILY SEARCHABLE AND USABLE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE. >> MAYOR JONES: ABSOLUTELY. FOLKS ARE GOING ON, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MY STREET, FOLKS ARE ALSO GOING, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MY MONEY? ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? >> VIAGRAN: YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THIS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU WORKING ON HOW THIS CAN BE CONNECTED. THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS: ONE IS -- AND I DO HAVE A CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE ON AUDIT COMMITTEE, REPRESENTATIVE PACHECO, THAT HAS REALLY BEEN FOCUSING ON CUSTOMER SERVICE AND ACCESSIBILITY. SO IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO KIND OF VISIT OR SHARE SOME INSIGHTS WITH YOU ALL ABOUT WHAT HE'S FEELING AND WHAT HE'S HEARING REGARDING 3-1-1, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. BECAUSE MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WE CREATE THIS CENTRALIZED-FACING DATA DASHBOARD, BUT YET OUR RESIDENTS EITHER DO NOT HAVE THE ACCESSIBILITY, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE DEVICES TO ACCESS IT, BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IT BEING NATIVELY MOBILE AND IT BEING ONLINE WHERE [00:35:01] THEY HAVE TO GO TO. SO I REALLY WANT TO KIND OF GET TO THE HEART OF THAT, BECAUSE MOST OF MY RESIDENTS ARE ON THE PHONE. AND TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S NATIVELY MOBILE IS A WHOLE OTHER BEAST. AND COMMUNICATING THAT TO THEM. THE OTHER THING IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN TERMS OF INPUT IS I DO AN EBLAST, SO IF I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO SHARE THE LINK WITH, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A PROCESS CREATED THAT COUNCILMEMBERS CAN REQUEST THE LINK SO THAT THEY'RE NOT NAVIGATING THROUGH A CENTRALIZED DASHBOARD, BUT IF THEY WANT TO KNOW IF THAT -- WHERE THAT FIRE STATION LINK AND GET TO THE ON A- UPDATE THERE. VERY SIMILAR TO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING IN THE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AT THE PFZ FOR THE SOCCER STADIUM, THAT WE CAN JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT THEY CAN HIT A LINK OR A QR CODE TO GET THERE. SO I THINK -- I'M -- AND MARINA WAS THERE, WE JUST CLOSED THE CHAPTER ON SA DIGITAL CONNECTS, BUT IT IS ABOUT NAVIGATION NEXT AND IT IS ABOUT CONNECTIVITY AND MY CONCERN IS A DASHBOARD FEELS -- IF NOT DONE NATIVELY MOBILE, I DO NOT KNOW THAT WE WOULD GET THE TRAFFIC THAT WE NEED ON THAT FOR OUR RESIDENTS. NOW, FOR REPORTERS OR RESEARCH PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LOOK AT OUR OPEN RECORDS, THEY CAN -- I'M OKAY WITH THEM GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, NAVIGATING THROUGH THE OPEN DATA, BUT FOR MY RESIDENTS, I REALLY WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT ACCESSIBILITY. AND FOR MY RESIDENTS, THAT'S THROUGH THE PHONE. SO THAT'S ALL I'D WANT TO SHARE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MUNGIA, PLEASE? >> MUNGIA: THANK YOU. I LIKE THIS IDEA. THIS REMINDS ME OF THE DASHBOARD OF DASHBOARDS. AND SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE ONE CENTRALIZED PLACE WHERE YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THE DASHBOARDS OF THE CITY THAT WE COLLECT, SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU START OFF, RIGHT? WHOEVER'S DOING A DASHBOARD CONNECT IT TO THIS MAIN ONE SO PEOPLE CAN KIND OF BROWSE. AND I THINK DOWN THE LINE AS YOU FIND THINGS PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO DO, WE CAN CREATE NEW WAYS OF UPLOADING THAT INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE. BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S -- YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ACCESSING FOR GOOD REASON. SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND THERE'S SO MANY TIMES WHERE WE ASK QUESTIONS, RIGHT, AND SOMEONE'S STAFF'S LIKE, WELL, WE HAVE A DASHBOARD. IF YOU KNEW THAT, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE DATA THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. SO HAVING AN APP OF SOME SORT OR HAVING IT ON THE BROWSER, BEING ABLE TO CLICK IT EASILY, KIND OF NAVIGATE THAT, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. TO COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN'S POINT, A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE A CELL PHONE THAT THEY CAN JUST DO -- OR A TABLET AT OUR SENIOR CENTERS, THEY CAN LOOK THAT UP. BUT I DEFINITELY SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, DOING SOME ROUND TABLES OR STAKEHOLDER, YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENTS, JUST TO KIND OF TALK TO SENIOR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, HOA PRESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, EVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE USING FUSE SA, JUST DOING A LOT OF DIGGING AND DATA, IF YOU GUYS ARE EVER INTERESTED IN THIS, HOW DO YOU SEE THIS WORKING AND HOW CAN WE BE MORE TRANSPARENT FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. DEFINITELY A DIVERSE SET OF STAKEHOLDERS WOULD BE GOOD AND IT CAN ALWAYS EVOLVE FROM THERE. SO THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. COUNCILMAN, PLEASE? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE TWO FILERS OF THE CCR, THIS IS DEFINITELY THE DASHBOARD OF DASHBOARDS CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR A FEW YEARS, I THINK TO COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN'S POINT, IF I'M ON MY PHONE -- ON THE COMPUTER, IT LOOKS GREAT AND YOU'RE ABLE TO REALLY QUICKLY ZOOM IN, SEARCH, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IN MY DISTRICT, WHAT'S NOT. IF SOMEONE SAYS, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON ON MY STREET, I'M ABLE TO GO SEARCH SAN ANTONIO IMP, CLICK ON THE MAP, USUALLY SEARCH IN WHATEVER IT IS AND I CAN FIND THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY. SAME THING WITH THE BOND, IF I SEARCH UP 2017 BOND, I GO AND IT'S THREE CLICKS BEFORE I GET TO THE MAP. IF YOU'RE USING YOUR PHONE, THE ARCGIS HAS A SYSTEM DOES NOT TRANSLATE AND SO THE SEARCH BAR COVERS THE ENTIRETY OF THE MAP AND I THINK YOU -- YOU CAN'T USE IT. IT'S UNUSABLE ON YOUR PHONE. AND SO I'M WONDERING BEYOND THE -- BECAUSE I THINK THE DASHBOARD OF A DASHBOARD IS ESSENTIALLY, HERE'S A LIST OF EVERY TYPE OF DASHBOARD THAT WE HAVE, HERE ARE ALL OF THE DATASETS, HERE'S ALL OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WE USE TO TRACK. AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A DASHBOARD, THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD GO. ONCE YOU GET -- I THINK GOING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF -- I DON'T -- AND I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK IT'S I.T. OR IF IT -- I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PORTION OF IT, BUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO CREATE NOT JUST -- LIKE ARCGIS HAS TO BE UTILIZED ON A COMPUTER. IS THERE ANOTHER SYSTEM WE CAN USE OR ANOTHER [00:40:01] FORMAT THAT -- OR A USER INTERFACE THAT WE CAN USE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO USE THEIR PHONES? I THINK THAT'S THE -- THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST NEED OR GAP RIGHT NOW OUT OF THIS REQUEST. SO, YEAH, SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. >> WALSH: THAT'S PART OF THE 90 DAYS WE'RE ASKING TO COME BACK BECAUSE SOMETIMES -- SOMETIMES -- SOMETIMES WE MAKE IT COMPLICATED. AND IT'S HOW DO WE COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC THE BOND PROJECTS, P SMP, WHERE WE'RE AT IN BUDGET, THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS WE PICKED UP, JUST YE GENERALLY SPEAKING, THANKED'S PART OF THE REASON WE WANT 90 DAYS, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE CREATE IS EASILY MAINTAINED AND ENGRAINED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS, FACT CHECKED AS IT GETS UPDATED, AND THEN WE HAVE AN INTERNAL PROCESS TO DO THAT. RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT -- WE'VE GOT ONE WEBSITE THAT KIND OF COLLAPSES A NUMBER OF DATASETS AND DASHBOARDS, BUT THEY -- BUT WE'RE RELYING UPON THE DEPARTMENTS TO UPDATE THOSE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: UH-HUH. >> WALSH: AND SO I THINK THE CONVERSATION THAT MARIA, MARIA VARGAS, MARIA VILLAGOMEZ, MARSHAL AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING IS HOW DO WE ESTABLISH SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT SOME GOVERNANCE PRACTICES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, TO COMMUNICATE, TO UPDATE, AND ON A TIMELY BASIS ACROSS THE BOARD. AND THEN WHERE NEEDED, INCORPORATE THE GIS COMPONENT, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE GIS COMPONENT, FEEDBACK SOMETIMES I GET IS THEY JUST WANT THE NUMBER, RIGHT? THEY DON'T -- SO SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE IS PROBABLY WHERE WE NEED TO LAND WHERE IF PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THE MAP OR A MAP THAT WE GIVE THEM AN OPTION, BUT THAT'S -- WE'RE GOING TO WORK THROUGH THAT OVER THE NEXT 90 DAYS. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THEN IS IN ADDITION TO CREATING THE PORTAL OR THE PAGE THAT LISTS ALL OF THE DATA AND DASHBOARDS, YOU WILL ALSO BE LOOKING INDIVIDUALLY AT EACH OF THOSE DASHBOARDS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE USABLE ACROSS DEVICES AND THAT THEY ARE ULTIMATELY WHAT, I THINK, OUR PRIMARY INTERESTS HERE IN THIS REQUEST IS FOR THE AVERAGE RESIDENT. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR? >> VARGAS: WHEN WE DO THIS EVALUATION, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR STANDARDS ACROS THE BOARD ON BRANDING, ACCESSIBILITY AND IN TERMS OF COLOR BLINDNESS AND TOOL TIPS FOR THE HARD OF SEEING AND THINGS THAT ARE READ OUT LOUD, PDF FRIENDLY, MOBILE SCANNERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND NOW A LOT OF OUR PLATFORMS LIKE EZRI, POWER VI, THEY HAVE A MOBILE DESIGN LAYOUT, THAT YOU DESIGN YOUR COMPUTER VERSION OF IT, AND THEN OUR ANALYSTS DESIGNS THE MOBILE CELL PHONE VERSION OF IT SEPARATELY. AND SO NOW THE SOFTWARES HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, SO GOING THROUGH AND ADDING AND DESIGNING THOSE MOBILE CENTRIC EXPERIENCES AS WELL, SO, YES, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO BRING OUR PRODUCTS UP TO THAT STANDARD. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT -- I LOST IT. OKAY. SO EVERY YEAR I'LL GET A REPORT FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT ACS, FOR EXAMPLE, WILL PUT ON EACH OF OUR DESKS A REPORT OF THE YEAR AND IT'S ALL THE METRICS AND IT'S EVERYTHING THAT I THINK -- ERIK, YOU REMINDED ME OF, WHEN YOU MENTIONED HOW MANY DOGS GOT PICKED UP. SO REPORTS LIKE THAT, ARE THOSE OFTEN PUBLISHED? >> WALSH: YES. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AND ON EACH DEPARTMENT'S INDIVIDUAL WEB PAGE? >> WALSH: LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE REPORT YOU GOT YESTERDAY OF PUBLIC SAFETY. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: NO, I'M TALKING -- LIKE THERE'S A PHYSICAL REPORT, LIKE AN ANNUAL REPORT. >> WALSH: OH, AN ANNUAL REPORT. YES, ON THAT DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: AND I'M WONDERING -- EVEN THE ARTS DEPARTMENT IS LIKE GET CREATIVE SA.COM OR IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IS THERE -- I GUESS AS A PART OF THIS, WHAT I WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER IS CAN WE LIST THOSE REPORTS. >> WALSH: LIKE A COLLAPSED SITE THAT SHOWS ALL THAT STUFF? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YEAH. >> WALSH: YEAH, THERE IS. THERE IS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND ON THE USER-FRIENDLY SIDE, I THINK EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OUTDATED, THE OLD WAY YOU WOULD SEARCH UP THE IMP, IT WAS THAT TINY TEXT BOX IN THE COMPUTER SCREEN, YOU TYPE IN THE STREET AND IT WOULD TELL YOU ALL OF THE PRO PROJECTS. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS OUTDATED AND NOT MODERN AT ALL, IT WAS EASY TO USE. I DO THINK THIS IS A LOT MORE -- ALL THE SYSTEMS WE HAVE NOW ARE A LOT MORE INVOLVED, AND SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO -- AND I HERDER RICK SAY THIS, RIGHT, BRIDGE BOTH WORLDS, I THINK WE DEFINITELY WANT THIS ARCGIS AND THESE KIND OF SYSTEMS, I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND NECESSARY IF I WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY PROJECTS I HAVE OF A CERTAIN TYPE, I THINK IT'S REALLY EASY TO GO HERE AND DO THAT. BUT I THINK FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO'S JUST LIKE -- IF I TYPE IN MY STREET, WHAT YEAR IS IT BEING DONE? >> WALSH: THEY DON'T WANT TO HUNT FOR IT. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YEAH. I'M GOOD WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD. WHAT COMMITTEE IS THIS -- WHAT IS THE [00:45:02] RECOMMENDATION? OH, NO, IT'S COMING BACK HERE. OKAY. ALL GOOD. DO WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION? >> IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN CONTINUE WITH DISCUSSION. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND MARJANOVIC THANK YOU. . >> MAYOR JONES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE, I HEARD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOCUS OF THE INTENT TO BE PROPOSED IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS YOU'RE GOING TO ASSESS WHAT WE'VE GOT AND THEN THE OUTCOME OF THAT WOULD BE WHAT EXACTLY. >> VARGAS: SO PRODUCING IN INVENTORY WHAT WE HAVE, AND THAT INCLUDES DATASETS, DASHBOARDS, ANNUAL REPORTS, ALL OF THESE KINDS OF WAYS THAT WE CONVEY INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SURVEY WITH NOT JUST RESIDENTS, YOU ARE, THE STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS, TOO, AS WE'VE BEEN HEARING TODAY, AND SO HEARING FROM COUNCIL STAFF, COUNCILMEMBERS, HOA MEMBERS, RESIDENTS ON WHAT DATA THEY WANT TO SEE, HOW DO THEY TYPICALLY SEARCH FOR DATA, WHAT ARE BARRIERS THAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING AND WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. AND SO DOING THAT SURVEY, ANALYZING THOSE RESPONSES AND THEN ALSO DEVELOPING THE CITY DATA INSIGHTS CONCEPTS, SO REDESIGNING THAT LANDING PAGE INTO SOMETHING AKIN TO A DASHBOARDS OF DASHBOARD. IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE A POWER VI OF DASHBOARDS OF THE DASHBOARDS, BUT THE WEBSITE COULD BE REDESIGNED TO HAVE THOSE CARDS, THOSE ICONS, SEARCHBILITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO EASILY FIND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SO JUST COMING UP WITH A FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK WITH OUR FINDINGS FROM THE SURVEY, OUR FINDINGS FROM OUR INVENTORY AND SOME CONCEPTS OR WIREFRAMES FOR THAT NEW PORTAL. >> MAYOR JONES: UH-HUH. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> SPEARS: THANKS THANKS, MAYOR. MARIA, I WAS LIKING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING YOU WERE GOING TO DO OVER THE NEXT 90 DAYS. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPANIES THAT WE COULD OUT SOURCE. COULD WE DO A COST COMPARISON IF WE DID OUTSOURCE WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE CLEARGOV OR OPENGOV OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT? AND THEN IF THERE'S SOME CASE STUDIES, THE CITIES THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN -- I MEAN, PROBABLY SOME OF THEIR THINGS, AND PROBABLY NOBODY'S DOING THIS EXACTLY THE WAY WE NEED IT, BUT JUST CITIES THAT ARE DOING SOME OF WHAT WE WANT. AND THEN HOW WE'RE GOING TO MARKET THIS TO PEOPLE TO THE GEN POP SO THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, IF WE CAN BE THINKING BROADLY ABOUT THAT. SO JUST TO ADD TO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN THE 90 DAYS. >> I LOVE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO -- INVOLVED STAKEHOLDERS AND REALLY DIVE INTO WHAT WE REALLY NEED. IT'S A GREAT -- IT'S A GREAT CCR, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, AND IT WILL HELP US A LOT, SO THAT'S ALL. THANKS. >> MAYOR JONES: ANY OTHER COMMENTEDS ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CCR. I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS PART OF THE 90-DAY ANALYSIS, MARIA, IS TO -- THERE'S BEEN TWO RECENT ENGAGEMENTS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS HAD THAT WILL BE USEFUL FOR THIS, I THINK. SO ONE, THE VOTING COMMISSION. THE VOTING COMMISSION, THEIR TOP RECOMMENDATION WAS REALLY KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW C & E DOES ITS WORK, AND I THINK THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY KIND OF THE PREMISE OF THIS, RIGHT? WHICH IS ARE WE COMMUNICATING WITH PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT IS ACCESSIBLE AND IS ACTUALLY ADDRESSING WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT, RIGHT? AND THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION ABOUT KIND OF RETHINKING THE WAY C & E DEVELOPS THEIR APPROACH. IS THERE A COMPLIMENTARY KIND OF EFFORT HERE. WE CAN CONNECT YOU WITH THE FOLKS THAT WERE PART OF THAT. SECONDLY, THERE'S THE NICE TO HAVE AND THEN THERE'S THE MUST HAVES, RIGHT? THE MUST HAVES ARE LIKE THE EMERGENCY WE JUST LIVED THROUGH ON THE WEST SIDE DURING THE STORM. WE JUST HAD -- AND FOLKS HAVE COME UP IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE JUST HEARD IT IN D5 WHEN WE WERE THERE FOR THAT TOWN HALL, BUT THOSE FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE THING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO NEED, RIGHT, DURING AN EMERGENCY AND HOW MIGHT THIS BE PART OF THAT? SO, AGAIN, LIKE BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE ANIMAL SERVICES DATASET. OKAY. COOL. HELPFUL. BUT LIKE WHEN, NO KIDDING, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT HAS HIT THE FAN, HOW CAN THIS BE USEFUL? SO I WOULD HELP -- I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOCUS ON THOSE TWO. ONE, THAT SOURCE OF INPUT, BUT THEN, TWO, THAT KIND OF ACTUAL CASE STUDY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS CLAMORING FOR. AND THEN ONE GROUP WITHIN THAT WERE THOSE -- AND THEN YOU COULD EVEN LOOK AT ONE PARTICULAR STAKEHOLDER, RIGHT? AGAIN, THESE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE SUCH KIND OF GROUND [00:50:03] TRUTH, THAT YOU ESPECIALLY NEED DURING AN EMERGENCY. SO I KNOW THAT MAY BE KIND OF CHALLENGING, THE INITIAL DASHBOARD OF DASHBOARDS CONCEPTS, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE 90-DAY EFFORT OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT ARE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR THAT THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY GETTING, AN EMERGENCY CASE STUDY WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND, AGAIN, THEY JUST EXPRESSED THAT AT THE RECENT TOWN HALL. OKAY. >> VARGAS: THANK YOU. >> MAYOR JONES: ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. PLEASE -- ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. (AYES.) >> MAYOR JONES: OPPOSED, SAY NO. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 3, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THE CAPTION. >> CLERK: ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST BY COUNCILMEMBER TERI CASTILLO, DISTRICT FIVE, ON BANNING EIGHT LINER OPERATIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. >> MAYOR JONES: GREAT. >> GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS MY NAME'S RICK RILEY AND I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT. TODAY I'LL PRESENT A CCR FILE TO BAN EIGHT LINERS, OPERATIONS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SO THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 4TH BY COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE, AND THERE YOU SEE SUPPORTED BY 4, 6, 7 AND 10. THE UNDERLYING REQUEST OF THE CCR WAS TO ENACT A BAN ON THE OPERATION OF EIGHT-LINER MACHINES WITHIN THE SAN ANTONIO CITY LIMITS. TWO, TO ENHANCE ENFORCEMENT AND INSPECTION MECHANISMS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, AND, THREE, PRIORITIZE COMMUNITY EDUCATION AND REPORTING MECHANISMS RELATED TO ILLEGAL GAMING ACTIVITIES. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FORWARDING THIS CCR TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE PUBLIC SAFETY AND ENFORCEMENT CONSEQUENCES. THAT CONCLUDES MY SHORT BRIEF, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY. THANK YOU. THE COUNCILWOMAN IS NOT HERE. YOU ALL WERE PROVIDED A COPY OF HER STATEMENT, HOWEVER. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN BEGIN DISCUSSION? OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ, PLEASE? >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: THANK YOU. SO WHEN COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO WAS CIRCULATING THIS CCR, SHE ASKED IF I WOULD SIGN AND I TOLD HER I WASN'T COMFORTABLE WITH SIGNING AND WE SHOULD NOT BECOME MORALITY POLICE. IF THERE ARE ALREADY LAWS ON THE BOOKS, THEN WE JUST ENFORCE THEM. WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE NEW LAWS AND NEW BANS TO POLICE PEOPLE AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. INSTEAD WE SHOULD BE EDUCATING BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT IS PROHIBITED, IDENTIFY WHERE VIOLATIONS ARE OCCURRING AND HOLDING OPERATORS ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THERE IS EVIDENCE OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. IF THE PROBLEM IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LAWS AREN'T BEING ENFORCED, THEN WE SHOULD AIM TO FIX THAT. IF THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE LAW DOESN'T PROHIBIT CERTAIN MACHINES OR CERTAIN -- YEAH, CERTAIN MACHINES, THEN WE RISK CREATING NEW ENFORCEMENT OBLIGATIONS AND POTENTIALLY SUBJECTING MORE BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS TO PUNITIVE ACTION WITHOUT ACTUALLY IMPROVING PUBLIC SAFETY OR COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. INSTEAD, WE ARE POLICING CHOICE AND AUTONOMY. AND SO I'M REMINDED OF THE PROHIBITION ERA WHERE ALCOHOL WAS DEEMED THE FOUNDATION OF MANY SOCIETAL WOES AND WHAT THEN HAPPENS WAS PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO DRINK DID AND EVENTUALLY THE LAW WAS REPEALED. BUT AFTER MANY, MANY PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED AND CHARGED AND -- POLICED. SO THERE'S DEFINITELY -- YOU KNOW, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, THERE'S DEFINITELY A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE VULNERABILITY OF A COMMUNITY AND THE NUMBER OF VAPE SHOPS, LIQUOR STORES, BARS, ET CETERA, BUT I ALSO WOULDN'T GO AROUND TRYING TO MAKE ALCOHOL ILLEGAL. AND SO INSTEAD OF MAKING ALCOHOL, VAPING OR ANY GAMING MACHINES ILLEGAL, WE SHOULD FOCUS ON HOW WE PLAN AND DEVELOP OUR CITY, THE TYPES OF USES THAT WE ALLOW IN AND AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS AND SCHOOLS AND ENFORCE THOSE EXISTING LAWS. AND SO IF WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE IN VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT. AND SO THAT COMES DOWN TO OUR AUTHORITY, WHICH IS ZONING AND LAND USE. SO I WON'T SUPPORT THIS TODAY. BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT. I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, ANY EFFORTS TO PROTECT MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES AND, OF COURSE, GAMBLING, ADDICTION, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE VERY REAL. I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE AFFECTS OF OVERPOLICING AND WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BE THE EFFECTS OF PASSING THIS -- A BAN OF >> MAYOR JONES: THANK YOU. ACTUALLY, ANDY, CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE POINTS IN CASE IT INFORMS ANY OTHER COMMENTS. HAVE WE SEEN A LEGAL CHALLENGE TO A SIMILAR ORDINANCE IN OTHER PLACES? >> YES, WE HAVE, MAYOR. AND IT'S -- AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT IS PRETTY HEAVILY LITIGATED. USUALLY TURNS ON WHETHER THE MACHINES ARE A GAME OF SKILL, VERSUS CHANCE, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF. AND THE LATEST OPINION SUGGESTED THAT IF THERE'S ANY ELEMENT OF CHANCE, IT IS A GAMBLING DEVICE WHICH IS ILLEGAL. SO WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE [00:55:01] COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL BE VERY CLOSE TO ASK APD AS WE DEVELOP ANY SORT OF REGULATION THAT TRIES TO ADDRESS THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THREAD THE NEEDLE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE LEGAL -- LEGAL RESTRAINTS ARE. >> MAYOR JONES: ANDY, IS THERE ANY PROCESS THAT WOULD BENEFIT US TO WAIT-AND-SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? >> THERE'S LITIGATION IN -- IN -- THAT AFFECTED TEXARKANA, MAYOR, THAT THERE'S AN APPEALS COURT DECISION THAT, UM, THAT -- THAT, FRANKLY, WENT THE OTHER WAY THAT SAID IF IT'S PREDOMINANTLY SKILL, THEN YOU REALLY CAN'T REGULATE IT. HOWEVER, THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO SAN KNOW THAT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR COURT OF APPEALS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAS BEEN APPEALED THOUGH. WE'LL FIND OUT. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT BEING APPEALED, SO THERE'S NOTHING IN TERMS OF THAT'S PENDING -- SHORT OF STATE LEGISLATION THAT WOULD DECIDE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHAT CAPABILITIES WE HAVE. >> MAYOR JONES: THAT'S HELPFUL. ACTUALLY. DO WE KNOW AND MAYBE THE CHAIR KNOWS, THE I GR CHAIR, OR SOMEONE ELSE FROM IGR. DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PENDING LEGISLATION ON THIS ISSUE? DO WE KNOW? >> BILLS HAVEN'T BEEN FILED, MAYOR. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON AND MONITOR. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY, YEAH, YEAH, OKAY. GOT IT. COUNCILWOMAN? >> MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO ADD ONE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, THAT THE THIRD POINT OF THE CCR TALKS ABOUT ENHANCING ENFORCEMENT AND INSPECTION MECHANISMS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. AND ALTHOUGH NOT SPECIFICALLY OUTLINED IN THE CCR, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO IS AS WE PREPARE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY IS WHAT ARE THE -- THE LEGAL OPERATIONS AND HOW ARE THEY PERMITTED LOCALLY. AND WHEN IS THE LAST TIME THAT WE UPDATED THOSE FROM A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE? AND, INCORPORATING THAT AS PART OF OUR REVIEW. >> MAYOR JONES: WOULD YOU -- I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO DO THAT, BUT AS PART OF THAT COULD YOU ALSO GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS THE THEENFORCEMENT OF THOSE? IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU ACTUALLY ASK THE OWNERS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THEIR SYSTEM SO THEY REGULATE IT THEMSELVES, OR YOU, NO KIDDING, HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICER COME IN AND TO PATROL THOSE THING? >> PROBABLY A COMBINATION BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE REVIEW THAT WE DO, MAYOR. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY, COUNCILWOMAN, GO AHEAD. >> I WOULD LIKE TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE US MORE TIME AND BRING THIS BACK TO GOVERNANCE, BECAUSE I KNOW WITH MY INVOLVEMENT WITH TML AND JUST FRIENDS THAT I HAVE IN DALLAS, THAT DALLAS -- DALLAS REPRESENTATIVES ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING FORTH LITIGATION. OR NOT LITIGATION. PUTTING LEGISLATION THIS CYCLE. AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT THEY PUT FORWARD BECAUSE THEY'RE ANOTHER BIG CITY THAT WE WORK WITH REGARDING THIS. I DO THINK THAT WE ARE -- ARE WALKING A LINE THAT WILL LEAD TO POTENTIAL LAWSUITS. I THINK THAT -- BECAUSE I DON'T -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, EIGHT LINERS ARE ALREADY ILLEGAL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, CORRECT? >> IT REALLY DEPENDS, COUNCILWOMAN, ON HOW THEY'RE PAID OUT SO IF IT'S LESS THAN $5 WHOLESALE OR LESS THAN 10 TIMES THE AMOUNT THAT IT COSTS YOU TO PLAY, IT MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL. BUT WHEN YOU START PAYING OUT IN CASH, THAT'S WHEN IT'S CONSIDERED ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A GAME OF CHANCE AND A LOTTERY, LIKE MR. SEGOVIA TALKED ABOUT. >> YES, COUNCILWOMAN, YES, STILL A LOT DEPENDS ON THE WAY THAT THE GAME IS STRUCTURED IN TERMS OF PAYOUT BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF WHAT AMOUNT OF SKILL VERSUS WHAT AMOUNT OF CHANCE. >> VIAGRAN: AND THAT'S WHERE I'E INFORMATION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT SOME -- WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT SOME PAYOUTS ARE THROUGH BITCOIN AND CRYPTO AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT TO UNPACK HERE AND I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE STATE IS MOVING FORWARD WITH, BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AND SEND THIS TO PUBLIC SAFETY. BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO GET FURTHER DOWN THIS PROCESS AND IT COMES THAT WE HAVE TO PIVOT AND TO DO IT AS MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES SUGGESTED THROUGH AN ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF HOW MANY -- HOW MANY SKILL GAMES DO YOU HAVE. ARE THEY SKILL GAMES? HOW ARE YOU -- HOW ARE YOU PAYING OUT? AND THEN WHERE WE DO THIS. SO DO I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE NEXT GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE? >> MAYOR JONES: YOU CAN CONTINUE THE ITEM. >> VIAGRAN: YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO THE -- >> MAYOR JONES: CAN WE HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMENTERS FIRST. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN MUNGIA, PLEASE. >> MUNGIA: I DO SUPPORT THIS GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY, JUST TO HAVE A LARGER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT COMES UP AT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, RIGHT. FOLKS ARE LIKE THIS GAS STATION, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO I'D LIKE THERE TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER EDUCATION IN LIKE THIS IS LEGAL TO PLAY -- THIS IS [01:00:03] NOT. AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, RULES ARE BEING FOLLOWED PROPERLY. IF THERE'S A WAY TO -- ARE WE ALLOWED TO -- YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THIS TO BE A PERMITTED ACTIVITY AT A COMMERCIAL STORE? >> ACTUALLY, COUNCILMAN, FOR CERTAIN MACHINES WE ALREADY HAVE A PERMIT PROCESS IN PLACE. AGAIN, THESE ARE NOT UNDER CURRENT LAW GAMBLING DEVICES, BUT WE DO HAVE. GAMING MACHINES THAT WE DO PROVIDE PERMITS FOR. >> MUNGIA: THAT ARE LEGAL. >> RIGHT. >> MUNGIA: THAT DON'T MEET. AND THAT'S PART -- THAT'S PART OF THE REVIEW -- >> RIGHT. >> MUNGIA: THAT WE'LL ASK THE STAFF TO DO BEFORE IT TAKES THE NEXT STEP. >> AND MAYBE IT'S THAT, RIGHT, AND JUST GOING AND SAYING, HEY, FOLKS, WE'RE JUST HERE TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE ALL PERMITTED. THIS ONE IS ILLEGAL AND THIS IS YOUR WARNING TO GET RID OF THIS MACHINE. BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE CLEANING UP OF THIS AND WHAT A LOT OF WHAT I HEAR ARE ACTUAL CASH PAYMENTS, RIGHT, THAT FOLKS ARE GETTING. SO THAT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE COMING. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT AND I'M GOING TO DO A CCR FOR THAT. SO I THINK THAT IT REALLY IS BASED ON SOME CONCERN FROM RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING THE NATURE OF SOME THINGS BEING CHANGED, SOME THINGS ARE JUST NOW MOSTLY THIS MACHINE AND NO ONE IS ACTUALLY BUYING SODAS OR CHIPS ANYMORE. AND SO THERE IS A SHIFT AT SOME OF THESE PLACES AND SOME PLACES ARE REALLY CLOSE TO MY HOME. AND I WALKED IN AND IT'S SMALL AND IT'S LIKE EIGHT FOLKS PLAYING THESE MACHINES. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT IS BEING DONE OUT THERE IS BEING DONE PROPER. AND IF SOME PEOPLE ARE PAYING OUT BITCOIN THAT'S A BIT SKETCH IN MY OPINION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT. AND IT'S GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR FRAUD, RIGHT? AND SOMEONE SAYS WE'LL PAY BITCOIN OR WHATEVER TYPE OF WIRING THAT COULD HAPPEN -- THAT'S DEFINITELY CONCERNING TO KNOW. SO I THINK THAT THE STATE CAN TAKE SOME ACTION BUT LET'S LET PUBLIC SAFETY TO GO THROUGH THE GAMUT OF AND IT AND SEE WHAT IS LEGAL AND WHAT IS NOT AND GO FROM THERE. >> MAYOR JONES: COUNCILMAN, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> THANKS, MAYOR. I AGREE, AND I THINK THAT I'M READY FOR THIS TO GO TO PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT TO FLUSH OUT HERE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, UM, LEGISLATION HAPPENING IN OTHER CITIES BECAUSE, I THINK THAT IS THE FORT WORTH CASE -- IS ON PREEMPTION, RIGHT, FOR -- >> OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PREEMPTION BILL? THAT'S CURRENTLY STILL IN LEGISLATION, COUNCILWOMAN, YES. >> OKAY. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING PRETTY TALKED ABOUT, AND I'D LIKE US TO BE READY TO ACT AND TO DO SOMETHING IN RESPONSE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THINK THAT -- I AGREE WITH WHAT THE COUNCILMAN SAID, THE CRYPTOCURRENCY IS VERY CONCERNING. THAT'S JUST A WORK AROUND. SO, UM, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SENDING THIS ON TO PUBLIC SAFETY. THANKS. >> MAYOR JONES: DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? DID YOU -- COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ. >> MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ: YEAH, AND I GUESS SO IN THE INTEREST OF A MOTION BEING MADE AND THEN PROBABLY VOTING VERY QUICKLY AFTER THAT, UM, WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE IF THIS COMEO GOVERNANCE IF THAT'S THE MOTION THAT GETS MADE AND THAT ENDS UP PASSING, THEN I THINK THAT IDENTIFYING GAPS IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS, ARE THERE ANY MACHINES THAT CURRENTLY ARE NOT PERMITTED? IS THERE ANY GAP THERE? WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR POTENTIAL REVENUES AND POTENTIAL LAND-USE REGULATIONS? ARE THERE ALSO ANY POTENTIAL FOR, UM, OUR OWN -- TO ACCOMPANY ANY, UM -- ANY PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS OR TO ADD ON AS PART OF IT OR TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT AT THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN WITH FULL COUNCIL. AND THEN WHAT DOES AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN LOOK LIKE, SO THAT FOLK KNOW, HEY, THIS IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD BE AVOIDING. ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS, I THINK IF YOU COULD COME BACK HERE AND HAVE SOMETHING MORE ROBUST TO SEND TO PUBLIC SAFETY, I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT, YEAH, THAT'S -- SO IDEALLY THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF IT COMES BACK. >> MAYOR JONES: YEAH. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MCKEE-RODRIGUEZ, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO -- TO ORDINANCE OUT MORALITY, RIGHT? AND TO THE EXTENT THAT FOLKS ARE, UM, ARE GAMBLING, OR TAKING PART IN THESE ACTIVITIES, WHETHER THEY BE CHANCE OR WHETHER THEY BE OF DIFFERENT SORT, UM, IS IN PART BECAUSE OF LIKELY THEIR ECONOMIC CIRCUMSTANCE. SO HOW DO WE INVEST IN THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT ARE TRULY AT THE ROOT OF THIS? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT PERMITTING WOULD ACTUALLY DO, RIGHT? I MEAN -- SO NOW THEY JUST DRIVE [CHUCKLE] TO IT AND VERSUS WALK DOWN THE STREET? I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE THINK THAT THOSE SOLUTIONS ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY SOLVE AND MEAN [01:05:01] FOR US. IF, AGAIN, THE PREMISE OF IT IS STILL THE SAME, WHETHER IT'S BASED ON SKILL OR CHANCE, THOSE THINGS DON'T CHANGE. SO WHAT DO THOSE SOLUTIONS ACTUALLY HELP US DO. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN, PLEASE. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY AND BRING BACK -- I GUESS 60 DAYS -- >> MAYOR JONES: THAT'S FINE. >> 60 DAYS. AGAIN, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WITHIN PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THERE CAN BE -- Y'ALL CAN ADDRESS -- THE CHAIR CAN AGENDIZE INFORMATION SESSIONS AND THINGS LIKE, THIS BUT IN TERMS OF AN ACTUAL CCR, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT ONCE ANDY AND HIS TEAM GETS A LOOK AT IT AND WE SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING THIS MAY NEED TO BE PART OF AN AMENDMENT IF PERMITTING DOES HELP. IF IT DOESN'T, WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND SEE WHAT, UM, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO -- TO BEEF UP ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW. BUT RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS I FEEL THAT THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH OPPORTUNITY FOR LITIGATION AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY. >> MAYOR JONES: THERE'S A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR 60 DAYS. IS THERE A SECOND? >> YES, SECOND. >> MAYOR JONES: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR 60 DAYS. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED SAY NO. >> NO. >> MAYOR JONES: OKAY, THE AYES HAVE IT. OKAY, THAT'S THE FINAL ITEM AND THE TIME IS NOW * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.