[00:00:05]
IT IS NOW THREE OH ONE I CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 2026.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? MAMON GARCIA VELAZQUEZ.
HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM TRANSLATION SERVICES, PLEASE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, ACTING CHAIR.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE.
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENT YOUR CELL PHONES.
UM, FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 7TH.
MR. CHAIR, I MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES AS DESCRIBED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MAY.
UM, AT THIS TIME WE CAN DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN.
UH, WE HAVE JUST EIGHT ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, JUST A NOTE THAT ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, 33 31 ROOSEVELT HAS BEEN, UM, WITHDRAWN AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UM, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY POSTPONED THEY'LL BE RETURNING AT A FUTURE DATE.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR ANY ITEMS. I BELIEVE YOU DO HAVE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, THAT WERE RECEIVED FOR SOME ITEMS. UM, BUT THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY, UH, OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
UH, UH, SECOND, THAT'S EX, UH, UH, WITHOUT ITEM TWO.
ITEMS ONE AND THEN THREE THROUGH EIGHT SECOND STATUS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOU'RE
[00:05:01]
HERE FOR THE RIVERWALK IMPROVEMENTS FROM EAST HOUSTON TO LEXINGTON, OR IF YOUR ADDRESS IS FIVE 18 NORTH HACKBERRY 5 0 4 NORTH HACKBERRY 1232 FOR VIRGINIA BOULEVARD, 10 20 BURNETT, 5 0 2 NORTH CHERRY OR THREE 40 EAST ATCH.YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, HDRC, CASE NUMBER 2026, UH, 2 7 2 3 26 GARFIELD.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL.
PERFORM REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SCOPES INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW COMPOSITE SIDING ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR, THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE SHINGLE, ROOF AND PAINTING.
TWO, TO PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S ROOF FORM BY REMOVING THE ORIGINAL SIDE GABLE PROFILE AND MODIFYING THE FRONT ROOF SLOPE.
AND THREE, TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE BOTH TWO STORY FEATURE, BOTH A TWO STORY AND A THREE STORY ELEMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE SCOPES, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW COMPOSITE SIDING ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR, THE INSTALLATION OF A COMPOSITE SHINGLE ROOF AND PAINTING WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE REPLACEMENT SIDING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH AND AN EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES OR A BOARD AND BATTEN PROFILE WITH BOARDS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY 12 INCHES IN WIDTH AND BATTENS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF INCH IN WIDTH.
AS NOTED IN FINDING C TWO THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT FRONT DOOR FEATURE PROFILE THAT IS ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE IS NOTED IN FINDING D.
THE NEW DOOR IS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO OHP STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM BY REMOVING THE ORIGINAL SIDE GABLE PROFILE AND MODIFYING THE FRONT ROOF SLOPE.
BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM BE PRESERVED AND THAT ANY REAR ADDITION BE CONSTRUCTED TO THE REAR OF THE ORIGINAL FORM.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH N STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A REAR ADDITION THAT FEATURES A HEIGHT MASSING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, ROOF FORMS, MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
FOR ADDITION, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, MS. SUSAN JAIME IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP NOW, PLEASE DO.
I WILL NOTE THAT THERE ARE, UH, LATE DOCUMENTS, UH, THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
THOSE ARE NOT REFLECTED IN STAFFS REPORT.
UH, HOWEVER I CAN PULL THOSE UP HERE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT AS NEEDED.
UM, AND WE CAN TAKE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN.
UM, MS. JAIME, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES AND I WILL PULL UP THE CLOCK NOW.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT A PROPOSAL REHABILITATION IN ADDITIONAL OF 3 26 GARFIELD.
I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY EMPHASIZING THAT, MR. EXCUSE ME.
YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? YES, I'M SO SORRY.
MY NAME IS SUSAN HYMAN WITH SJ CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN, AND I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR GARFIELD.
I ALSO HAVE WITH ME MR. CARLOS, WHO IS THE OWNER OF GARFIELD.
IF YOU WANNA COME OVER CARLOS.
AND THEN I HAVE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN MARELA HERE WITH ME.
I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY EMPHASIZING THAT MR. CARLOS AND HIS DESIGN TEAM, UH, SHARE THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND OUR INTENTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO RESPECT AND REHABILITATE THE ORIGINAL FULL FACT VICTORIAN RESIDENCE WHILE EXPLORING HOW THIS PROPERTY CAN ONCE AGAIN BECOME A FUNCTIONAL, BEAUTIFUL, AND LASTING FAMILY HOME.
WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVATION IN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF LAVACCA.
UH, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT CONTINUED USE OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THEIR LONG TIME, UH, LONG TERM PRESERVATION.
TODAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT OR PREFER ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS AND EXPLAIN THE REASONINGS BEHIND IT AND DEMONSTRATE HOW WE HAVE CONSIDERED THE CEDAR NHOP RECOMMENDATIONS THROUGH AN ALTERNATE PROPOSAL.
AND FOR THAT, I'M GONNA LET, UH, MARIELLA EXPLAIN TO YOU MORE OF THE DESIGN.
HELLO, MY NAME IS MARI CASANOVA WITH AR CASAS RESIDENT COUNCIL INC.
UM, SO, UH, A PART OF THE HISTORIC RESIDENCE OF THE FOUNDATION IS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR DESIGN.
WE ARE PROPOSING THE REHABILITATE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THROUGH HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND THESE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, UH, APPROVED AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO, UH, AN IMPORTANT FACTOR IN OUR DESIGN PROCESS HAS BEEN TO CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTEXT
[00:10:01]
OF GARFIELD STREET AND THE SURROUNDING DE LACA NEIGHBORHOOD.THE ORIGINAL RESIDENCE IS RELATIVELY MODEST IN SCALE, HOWEVER, THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD NOW INCLUDES A, A NEWER TWO STORY RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTION AND FOUR STORY MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ACROSS THE STREET FROM GARFIELD.
UH, THESE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES HAVE CHANGED THE PHYSICAL CONTEXT OF THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE TERMS OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT, SCALE, PRIVACY, AND AVAILABLE VIEWS.
UM, WE RECOGNIZE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT ELIMINATE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER THESE, UH, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS WHEN EVALUATING HOW THE REHAB HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTY CAN, UH, FUNCTION WITHIN THE ITS PRESENT DAY ENVIRONMENT.
OUR PROPOSAL SEEKS TO CREATE A THOUGHTFUL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SMALLER HISTORIC RESIDENCE, JUST ONE STORY AND THE LARGER NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS.
RATHER THAN SIMPLY, UH, REPLICATING EITHER CONDITION, OUR PREFERRED DESIGN EMERGED FROM A THREE PRINCIPLE OBJECTIVES TO RETAIN THE, THE REHABILITATE, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC RESIDENCE, UH, TO CREATE SUFFICIENT INTERIOR LIVING SPACE FOR THE FAMILY AND TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL OUTDOOR LIVING AREAS IN A RELATIVELY CONSTRAINED URBAN LOT.
OKAY, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY HAS LIMITED GROUND LEVEL OUTDOOR SPACE, WE EXPLORED THE USE OF ELEVATED TERRACES AND BALCONIES AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
THESE SPACES WOULD PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUTDOOR LIVING WITH REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL GROUND AREA OCCUPIED BY PATIO OR OTHER EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS.
THE REAR, UM, ADDITION ALSO ALLOWS US TO INTRODUCE MODERN LIVING SPACES WITHOUT ABANDONING THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC BUILDING.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, MUST, EXCUSE ME, CONSIDER THE HEIGHT MASSING AND ROOF FORMS AND VISIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
OUR DESIGN INTENT HAS BEEN TO BALANCE THOSE CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE PRACTICAL NEED OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE APPRECIATE THE TIME.
AN ATTENTION OHP STAFF HAS GIVEN THE REVIEW OUR APPLICATION.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED CONCERNS REGARDING THE MODIFICATIONS OF THE ORIGINAL SIDE GABLE ROOF AND THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE MASSING OF THE REAR ADDITION.
IN RESPONSE, WE DEVELOPED A SECOND DESIGN ALTERNATIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PUT IT ON.
THAT MORE DIRECTLY ADDRESSES THESE CONCERNS.
HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER BOTH PROPOSALS.
UM, OUR PREFERRED DESIGN REPRESENTS OUR ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL VISION.
WHILE THE REVISED ALTERNATIVE DEMONSTRATES OUR WILLINGNESS TO EXPLORE MODIFICATIONS IN RESPONSE TO PRESERVATION CONCERNS, WE BELIEVE THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO REFINE THE PREFERRED DESIGN THROUGH ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ROOF TRANSITION, UH, UPPER LEVEL MASSING AND VISIBILITY FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WITHOUT ABANDONING THE ARCHITECTURAL CONCEPT ENTIRELY, WE WOULD WELCOME THE COMM COMMISSIONER'S GUIDANCE ON THESE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS.
UH, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EMPHASIZE A LONG-TERM VALUE OF THE REHABILITATION REHABILITATING THIS IN THIS PROPERTY, THE RESIDENTS HAS BEEN VACANT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD.
OUR INTENTION IS TO BRING IT BACK INTO ACTIVE RESIDENCE RESIDENTIAL USE, AND CREATE A HOME THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A FAMILY COMFORTABLY.
UM, A SUCCESSFUL REHABILITATION SHOULD PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING WHILE SUPPORTING ITS CONTINUED MAINTENANCE, OCCUPANCY AND USEFULNESS.
WE BELIEVE THAT THOUGHTFUL ADAPTATION WILL ENSURE THAT THAT HISTORIC PROPERTIES REMAIN ACTIVE PART OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO COMMISSIONERS, UH, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THE ARCHITECTURAL INTENT AND SITE SPECIFIC, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES BEHIND OUR PREFERRED PROPOSAL.
WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH OHP STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE REHABILITATION AND ADDITIONAL ADDITIONS RESPECT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE'LL START WITH, UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
UM, THE, THERE'S THE ONE THAT ARE THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE SUBMITTED.
AND THEN THERE'S THE PICTURE THAT WAS JUST, UH, PRESENTED THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.
[00:15:01]
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE, THE OTHER, THE, THE, THE OTHER PICTURE.THE ONE THAT'S RENDERING YEAH.
THAT, THAT IT, IT'S NOT THE SAME LOCATION, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT HAS THIS MASSIVE FRONT YARD.
CAN YOU GO TO THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT RENDERING THAT SO THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, IT'S JUST AN INTERPRETATION OF THE DESIGN.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE DESIGN THROUGH THE LOCATION.
NO, IT'S JUST AN INTERPRETATION OF THE DESIGN ITSELF.
IF YOU GO TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, SO THIS IS THE DRAWINGS, UM, OF WHAT THE STRUCTURE IS LIKE.
ONE, THE ONE THAT YOU JUST PASSED, UH, THE BLACK AND WHITE THERE.
UM, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
IF YOU SEE IN RED, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THE LINES IN RED, THE RENDERING, THAT'S WHAT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN TEAM IS PROPOSING IS TO LEAVE THE ROOF CABLE THE SAME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, RESTORE THAT STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THE STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT TO, UH, USE THE SAME MATERIALS OR EQUIVALENT TO, TO THE HISTORICALS, UM, ERA, AND THEN BUILD IN THE BACK THE NEW ADDITION.
UM, WITH THE HOP EMAIL THAT WE RECEIVE AND THEIR CONCERNS, THEY ASK US TO MODIFY THE DESIGN AND THAT'S WHERE THE OTHER DESIGN CAME ABOUT, WHEREAS THE FLAT ROOF ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN HAVE THAT NICE AREA FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY USE AS ONE OF THE, UM, UM, BALCONIES, OR NOT BALCONY, BUT, UH, WHAT IS IT? TERRACE.
UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT LOOKS HUGE, BUT REALLY THE MAJORITY OF THE NEW PROPERTIES AND THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN RESTORED OR WORKED ON IN LA VACA AND ALSO IN GARFIELD HAVE THE SAME SIZE OF PITCH ROOF AS OUR DESIGN IN CLA.
IN FACT, OUR DESIGN SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER THAN WHAT IS PRESENT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IT'S IN FRONT OF GARFIELD, IT'S HUGE.
THEN IT COVERS THE SITE FOR THE MAJORITY OF THOSE HOUSES.
THERE'S NO VIEW REALLY OF THE ORIGINALS AND THEREFORE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT WITH TERRACES IN THE, THE TOP, UH, OF, OF THE ADDITIONS OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES.
SO BASICALLY WE'RE FOLLOWING, UH, THE SAME DESIGN AS THE OTHER NEW PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING RESTORED AND ALSO HAVE IN THE BACK NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, ARE YOU LOOKING TO TEAR OFF THAT REAR ADDITION THAT IS THERE? WELL, THE NEW, THE, THE ADDITION THAT IS THERE IN THE BACK, UM, WHICH IS THAT PART WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE MR. CARLOS ACQUIRED THAT BUILDING.
AND IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AFTER, I'M SORRY, AND IT WAS NOT PERMITTED AND IT'S NOT UP TO CODE.
SO THERE'S WATER DAMAGE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DAMAGE.
BUT THE FRONT PART, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL WOULD STAY AND WE WOULD JUST BASICALLY RESTORE IT.
UM, I, AND I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF THEN, IS, UM, DO YOU KNOW AT WHAT POINT THAT EDITION WAS BUILT? IT LOOKS LIKE 2000, EXCUSE ME.
YEAH, 2011 BASED ON GOOGLE STREET VIEW PHOTOS.
UM, AT THAT, AT SOME POINT IT COULD HAVE BEEN BETWEEN 2008 AND 2011, BUT 2011 IS THE FIRST ONE THAT IS THAT NOT, WE DID A SITE VISIT AND I'VE BEEN IN HERE FOR 10 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN, WE DID A SITE VISIT BEFORE THAT EDITION WAS ADDED.
I, HERE'S A THAT I'VE BEEN TO THAT PROPERTY TWICE.
WELL, I, HERE'S THE STREET VIEW PHOTO FROM 2011 THAT SHOWS IT.
AND THEN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR THERE WAS DONE TO IT.
THERE WAS A HOUSE NEXT DOOR THAT WAS LIKE A SIMILAR OKAY.
SO, BUT THEN THERE WAS WINDOWS ADDED AND ALL THAT.
WE VISITED WHEN IT WAS BOARDED UP.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ONE, UNLESS THERE'S BEEN AN ADDRESSING CHANGE.
UH, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN OUR EXPLORER MAP THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UM, BUT THE REAR EDITION, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE REAR EDITION WAS CONSTRUCTED AT SOME POINT CIRCA 2011.
COMMISSIONER GROUP QUESTIONS? YEAH, I DID HAVE SEVERAL.
UM, SO THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS ARE, ARE NOT REALLY PRECISE WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE YOU SAY WE'RE GOING TO MORE FOCUSED ON WHAT'S HISTORIC.
[00:20:01]
FORGET THE ADDITION OF THE HISTORIC WHAT'S HAPPENING.YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROOF AND THEN WHAT'S HAPPENING ON TOP.
YOU'RE BUILDING ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL PATIO.
YOU WANNA ANSWER? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING IS GOING ON TOP OF IT THAT'S GONNA BE MOVED BACK.
SO YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS ONE FLOOR.
SO THIS WOULD STAY THE SAME, BUT THIS PART, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PART, WHICH IS ON THE ORIGINAL MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHY WE SAID WE WERE GONNA MOVE THAT.
SO VERY MAYBE, AND MAYBE JUST EXPLAIN WHAT IS BEING DONE OF CHANGES TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
UH, SIDES OF THE, SO, UH, TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, UH, THE, THAT ORIGINAL SECOND STORY WOULD BE, UH, REMOVED.
UM, AND THE FIRST PART WOULD BE PRESERVED.
SO WITH THE, LIKE THE ROOF STRUCTURE AND, UH, THE ACTUAL, LIKE THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF WOULD NO, NO, NO.
YOU'RE BUILDING ON TOP OF THE FIRST PART, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND ME WELL.
SO THERE WOULD BE A ROOF CONTINUATION, UH, SO IN AN INTERSECTION.
UM, SO THAT WAY THE ROOF, THE, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A BUTTERFLY ROOF.
AND LIKE NO WATER WOULDN'T BE, IT'LL BE ON TOP OF THE SECOND PART OF THE HOME.
YOU CAN SAY YES ON HALF OF THE HOME.
UM, SO THAT WAY WE CAN RE REMOVE LIKE THE WATER COMING IN, UM, INTO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
AND THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT SECOND FRONT DOOR, SO IF WE LOOK AT THE, JUST THE PICTURE, UM, OF YEAH, IT'S FURTHER BACK.
BUT ISN'T THERE LIKE A LOT LINE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO OVER GOES? NO, THAT ONE, UH, RIGHT THERE IF YOU WANNA PULL THE ONE.
AND THEN MY, MY, DO WE HAVE HOW MUCH DISTANCE THERE'LL BE ON THE HOUSE BEHIND? ARE YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING THERE FROM THE END OF THE LOT? UM, ONCE THE NEW BUILDING IS FINISHED, IT'S 12 FEET IN THE BACK.
SO FROM THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER PROPERTY'S ABOUT 12 FEET.
SO WE NEED, UH, UH, FIVE FEET.
YOU'RE DOING FIVE FEET ON EACH SIDE? YES.
AND THE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THE ORIGINAL HISTORICAL HOUSE ITSELF, WE'RE GONNA USE THE SHIPLAP FOR THE SIDING.
WE'RE GONNA USE THE SAME ROOF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, FROM ITS ORIGIN TO METAL.
SO HOW DOES THAT FRONT, THAT SECOND FRONT DOOR TO THE LEFT, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THAT SECOND FRONT DOOR AND FIVE FEET? LET ME SEE THIS ONE.
OH, THAT'S THE ONE THAT IT GOES ON? YES, WE DO.
BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
THAT STRUCTURE THAT THEY PUT IN THE BACK, IT'S, IT RUNS THE SAME LINE.
DID YOU SHOW THE
BUT NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR DRAWINGS.
IT'LL BE FURTHER UP BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY BUILDING HALFWAY THROUGH THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S FURTHER BACK DOWN.
IT'S, DO YOU SEE IT RIGHT THERE? I THINK THAT THAT DRAWING REPRESENTS IT BETTER, BUT, BUT THE ELEVATION DRAWING SHOWS IT IS TWO DOORS ON THE WALL, SO IT, MAYBE IT'S A CUT IN THE, IN THE DRAWING.
IT'S JUST, CAN YOU GO TO THE ELEVATION? EDWARD? CUT.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE WITH QUESTIONS.
UM, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT YOU ARE AGREEABLE WITH A SECOND DESIGN? PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY.
YOU WANNA EXPLAIN WHY ON THE SECOND DESIGN? BASICALLY WE TOOK WHAT HOP HAD ASKED US TO CHANGE IN THE DESIGN SO THAT IT WOULD MEET ALL THE CRITERIA, UH, IN THE GUIDELINES ACCORDING TO HOP AND WHAT THEY LOOK FOR IN AN ADDITION OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
MY QUESTION IS JUST, UH, THE, THE FRONT ORIGINAL BUILDING, IS THAT GONNA BE INTACT AND THEN JUST THINGS BUILD ONTO IT? OR IS IT BEING ALTERED LIKE WITH THE BALCONY ON THAT SECOND PIECE?
[00:25:01]
SO ON THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS, ON THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL IS WE DID HAVE THAT SECOND, UH, TERRACE THAT WOULD COME, UH, ON THE BACK OF THAT ROOF, ON THE NEW DESIGN.UH, ACCORDING TO HOP AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, IT WOULD NOT, BASICALLY THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE WOULD BE MOVED TO THE BACK, FURTHER BACK SO THAT THE STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE ROOF WOULD STAY THE SAME.
THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGES TO THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T HAVE REALLY THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS THAT WERE USED.
SO WE WOULD WORK WITH HOP TO KIND OF REFER US TO THE, UH, SOME OF THE MATERIALS USED FOR THAT STYLE IN THAT ERA OF THE HOUSE.
UH, COMMISSIONER GUEVARA, JUST ON THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION, IT SAYS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT PROPOSE PROPOSAL ADDITION THAT FEATURES A HEIGHT MASSING ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, ROOF FORMS CONSISTENT WITH A GUIDELINE TRADITIONS.
ARE Y'ALL WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW OR HAVE Y'ALL ADDRESSED THAT? WE ADDRESS THAT.
THEY ACTUALLY SEND US SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF SOME OF THE APPROVED DESIGNS OF SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES, AND WE FIND FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINE, WHICH IS BASICALLY TO HAVE THAT TERRACE FLAT VERSUS HAVING A ROOF AND HAVE IT HIGHER.
SO NOW WE'RE ACTUALLY LOWER AND WE HAVE A FLAT ROOF.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GALLOWAY.
QUESTIONS? MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF.
UM, I, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT THE SECOND DESIGN, UH, SOLVES, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DENIAL OF RECOMMENDATION TWO AND THREE, UH, AND THAT LIKE THE, THAT THAT DESIGN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES? UH, UM, NO, I, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FORMALLY REVIEW THE, I RECEIVED THESE DOCUMENTS TWO OR THREE HOURS AGO, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, SO I CAN'T, CAN'T, WELL, I RECEIVED THOSE TODAY.
UM, UH, SO CAN'T, CAN'T REALLY SPEAK ON THAT.
I WILL SAY, UM, GENERALLY IN THE SUMMARIZED STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN INTACT, UH, THAT'S THE FRONT ROOF SLOPE, THE SIDE GABLE, THE REAR ROOF SLOPE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, AS MS. JAIME WAS SPEAKING TO, UH, STAFF SENT A HANDFUL OF EXAMPLE OF TWO STORY REAR ADDITIONS BEHIND A ONE STORY HOUSE TO SHOW THAT THAT IS POSSIBLE.
UH, ESSENTIALLY I'LL JUST KIND OF DRAW A BOX.
IF THERE WAS A REAR ADDITION THAT FEATURED A MASSING THAT'S SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT WITH THE BOX THAT I'VE DRAWN HERE, UM, STAFF WOULD GENERALLY FIND THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE, PROVIDED THAT IT HAD ROOF FORMS, MATERIALS, FENESTRATION PATTERNS, UH, AND AMASSING THAT WAS CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, SO IT DO THINK IT'S POSSIBLE, UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FULLY REVIEW WHAT'S BEEN UPDATED, UM, AND, AND PROVIDE FINDINGS.
MR. CHAIR, DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK STAFF HIT IT RIGHT, UH, AS THE ADDITION THAT IS NOW BUILT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT BIG OR SMALL OR NOT COMPLIANT, THAT'S KIND OF THE IDEA THAT I SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN THE LATE DRAWINGS, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION.
THE, THE, THE SKETCHES AND THE PICTURES AND THE SIMULATION IS NOT GIVING ANYTHING CONSISTENT TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXISTS EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
THE PRESERVATION, WHAT HE SAID, PRESERVATION OF THE PRIME, THE, THE HISTORIC HOME FRONT AND BACK.
YOU CAN'T BUILD HALFWAY THROUGH A ROOF AND PUT A ROOF ON TOP OF THAT OR TERRACE.
SO I THINK A CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE EXISTING.
AND THEN I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT LITTLE ADDITION, WHETHER COMPLIANT OR NOT.
YOU CAN SEE IT HAS THAT SIGHT LINE LIKE FROM THE STREET.
SO WE SEE THE ORIGINAL, WE MIGHT SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE ADDITION IN THE BACK, MAYBE JUST THE ROOF, AND THEN YOU CAN CONTINUE MAYBE A THIRD HIGHER OR ADD ON TO WHAT'S EXISTING, WHICH IS WHAT WAS DONE NEXT DOOR.
UM, THIS NEEDS TO GO TO A FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IT CANNOT, WHAT, WHAT'S PRESENTED TODAY IS NOT ENOUGH FOR AN APPROVAL EITHER.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL GROUP, I THINK WE'RE IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, SO THEN WE WILL DISCUSS IT AND THEN WHEN THERE'S A MOTION AND IF IT, IF IT GETS APPROVED AND STAFF CAN CLARIFY.
MR. CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THIS DISCUSSIONS FOR THE BOARD, BUT I THINK IT'S COMMISSION, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR YOU TO HEAR, UH, IN A CIRCUMSTANCE LIKE THIS, IT, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, VERY DIFFICULT NOT TO JUST LAY IT ALL OUT ON
[00:30:01]
THE LINE HERE.THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A STRUCTURE IN THE CONTEXT OF, HI, ITS HISTORIC DESIGNATION, AND WE HAVE WHAT LOOKS IN ITS EXISTING FORM TWO STRUCTURES, CLEARLY AN OLD HISTORIC BUILDING AND AN ADDITION TO THAT OLD HISTORIC BUILDING.
SO EVEN LOOKING AT JUST THE OLD HISTORIC BUILDING THERE, THERE I THINK COULD BE AN ARGUMENT.
I, I'M NOT MAKING THAT ARGUMENT, BUT I CAN SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ARGUMENT FOR A LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.
BECAUSE EVEN THE LITTLE BUILDING HAS BEEN CHANGED SO MANY TIMES.
THE WINDOWS, THE WINDOW TRIMS, THE ROOF, THE WAY THAT THE BACK FORM WAS CONNECTED WITH THE FRONT FORM.
I MEAN, WE KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED, BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN ALTERED OVER THE YEARS AS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THAT, TO THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, IT, IT, IT IS HARDLY EVEN WHAT IT WAS TO CALL IT HISTORIC.
NOW THAT, UH, BEING KIND OF THE MOST DRAMATIC WAY OF, OF, OF PUTTING THAT, UM, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA, JUST LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC ASPECT OF THE HOUSE, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY DIRECT ABOUT HOW THIS HOUSE WAS BEING USED IN ITS HEYDAY.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE AREA AND THE, THE INCREDIBLY DEPRESSED ECONOMICS OF THE TIME, THE HOUSE WAS SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE HEAR FROM MANY OF OUR FAMILIES THERE.
THEY ALL GREW UP IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE AND THEY HAD TO GO TO THE KITCHEN TO GO TO THE BEDROOM.
AND, UH, THAT THIS IS THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO, SO PUTTING IT IN THAT CONTEXT AND, AND THEN THINKING ABOUT IT AS A USABLE, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ALMOST BE SAYING THAT, THAT IT, IT'S A RELIC OR IT'S A, IT'S A, UM, A PIECE OF HISTORY.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE APPLICANT TO HEAR MR. CHAIR, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUBORDINATE SUBORDINATING ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING, OKAY, THIS BREAKS EVERY RULE.
AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WAS BUILT NEXT DOOR TO IT, I THINK THAT WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND PERHAPS WE MAYBE MADE A MISTAKE OR THE COMMISSION MADE A MISTAKE TO, TO CREATE A DIALOGUE, ALLOW A DIALOGUE OF THAT SCALE.
BUT THERE'S SOMETHING HERE THAT I THINK IS BEYOND JUST THE APPLICANT THAT REALLY AT SOME POINT THE COMMISSION SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT CONSIDERS ETHICAL OR OR MORAL IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS HERE WITH THIS HOUSE.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE FRONT HOUSE, UH, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UM, IS INTACT ENOUGH AND STILL ENOUGH OF WHAT IT WAS, UM, TO MERIT PRESERVATION.
AND I THINK THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT EDITION YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE ONE THAT IS EXISTING NOW BEHIND IT, OR QUITE FRANKLY THE ONE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, I DON'T THINK EITHER ONE NECESSARILY, UM, HONORS THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING THAT IS THERE NOW IN THE FRONT.
UM, NOT IN TERMS OF SCALE, NOT IN TERMS OF MASS, NOT IN TERMS OF, IN FACT, THIS OLDER ONE MIGHT NOT BE GOOD FOR ANYTHING.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT IT DOES TELL ME IS THAT IT WAS AN ADDITION.
UH, WHAT I SEE IN YOUR DRAWINGS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS OLD REALLY AND WHAT IS NEW.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE TAKING GREAT PAINS TO MAKE IT ALL LOOK NEW.
AND I THINK THAT THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU'RE MISSING TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A LITTLE GEM HERE THAT IF YOU WERE TO SHOW SOME LOVE TO, COULD ACTUALLY SHINE AGAIN.
AND THE ADDITION THAT YOU ADD TO IT, UM, REFLECT THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GRACE AND PROPORTION.
AND I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE WORDS THAT YOU'VE USED IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, VIEWS AND SIGHT LINES AND CONTEMPORARY REHABILITATION.
UM, THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT COULD DEFINITELY BENEFIT FROM THAT.
UH, THE REST OF LAVACCA IS BENEFITING FROM THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT WHAT MAKES LAVACCA SUCH A SPECIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE RESPECT AND THE LOVE THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO OTHER HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURES THAT WERE IN WORSE SHAPE THAN THIS ONE IS.
SO I WOULD JUST, UM, AGREE THAT IT, IT DEFINITELY WARRANTS FURTHER CONVERSATION AS TO WHAT THAT DESIGN NEEDS TO BE.
COMMISSIONER TRAVIESO, ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONER DAVIS? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER GUEVARA? NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR.
I WOULD AGREE WITH, UM, ALL OF THE
[00:35:01]
COMMENTS HERE THAT, UM, AND WE APPRECIATE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RESTORATION AND, AND REHABILITATION OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE.UM, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, PUT FORTH, UH, RESPONSES TO STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE DRAWINGS DON'T, THE RENDERINGS DON'T ACTUALLY REFLECT, UH, WHAT THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL WOULD BE.
UM, THEY SEEM TO BE GRANDER AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE, THE LANDSCAPING AND THE, THE ROOFING FORM OF THE, THE RENDERINGS DON'T MATCH THE ROOFING FORM OF THE, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, I THINK SENDING IT TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, WHERE WE CAN SPEND MORE TIME AND, UH, TALK WITH YOU ABOUT, UH, WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE HERE, I THINK WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE PROJECT.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GARCIA? AYE.
STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND, UH, SCHEDULE THAT, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
THAT WAS THE LAST CASE, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.