Oct 23, 2026 Historic Compliance and Technical Advisory Board (CTAB)

STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS PLEASE.

AT THIS TIME CAN WE HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES? GOOD MORNING.

WHEN DOES THE YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

I AM JUANITA CHAIRWOMAN, AND VICE CHAIR IS JO JASON VASQUEZ.

IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERN CERTAIN APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT AND LANDMARKS.

AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE BOARD SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DECIDE GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET.

IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.

IF YOU ARE.

IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE CASE AS IT IS CALLED, UH, ON, AS THE CASE IS CALLED.

CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

SPEAKERS FOR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.

EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.

ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.

SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER OR RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

APPROVAL BY THE BOARD DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMITS.

PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.

CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE BOARD WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CI CITY PERMITS.

AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES AND GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AT THIS TIME.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

UM, WE JUST NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 18TH.

MADAM CHAIR,

[ Approval of minutes for the CTAB meeting of September 18, 2026. ]

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM, WHAT IS THE DATE? SEPTEMBER 18TH.

SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2026.

SECOND.

I SET.

OH, .

THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO ACCEPT MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2026.

UH, YOU STILL, YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE OUR CASE LIST UP ON THE SCREEN.

UM, JUST A HOUSEKEEPING NOTE.

ITEM NUMBER SIX HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT.

IT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.

UH,

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]

WE DO HAVE TWO ITEMS ON TODAY'S CONSENT AGENDA.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THOSE ITEMS. MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AS SUBMITTED.

GO AHEAD.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

MOTION TO ACCEPT CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE FIRST AND THE SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

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IF YOUR ADDRESS IS 7 32 EAST GUNTHER STREET AND SEVEN 30 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE, YOUR CASES HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE HEARING.

YOUR CERTIFICATES OF OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ]

AGENDA COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS CTAP CASE 2026 DASH 2 88 FOR 1331 FULTON AVENUE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 13 EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS AND THREE METAL WINDOWS WITH A VINYL PRODUCT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE PROPOSED VINYL PRODUCT.

BASED ON FINDINGS, A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO REPAIR AND RETAIN EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS ON SITE.

WINDOWS MAY BE RETROFITTED IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

THE APPLICANT MAY ALSO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION DURING THE REPAIR PROCESS TO DEMONSTRATE THE FEASIBILITY OF RETAINING ORIGINAL MATERIALS.

FOR FURTHER CONSIDER CONSIDERATION OF REPLACEMENT ON A WINDOW BY WINDOW BASIS WITH AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT.

THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH STAFF ON ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO INSTALL WINDOWS CONFORMING TO GUIDELINES IN PLACE OF THE THREE EXISTING METAL WINDOWS.

THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE IN PERSON.

UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE.

ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ANY LETTERS SUBMITTED? NO.

MY NAME IS LETICIA SANDOVAL PRITZ.

MY HUSBAND IS ON HIS WAY, BUT HE HE'S TO NEEDED TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS FOR MY SON.

UM, OKAY.

GOOD MORNING.

AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

WE UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THE IMPORTANCE OF PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OR CHARACTER OF OUR HISTORIC HOME.

WE SIMPLY, WE JUST WANT TO PRACTICAL, UH, A TO FIND A PRACTICAL SOLUTION THAT ALLOW US TO MAINTAIN OUR HOME WHILE ALSO TAKING CARE OF OUR FAMILY.

OUR HOME WAS BUILT IN 1947 WITH WOOD FRAME, SINGLE PANE WINDOWS.

THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE ROTTED, DETERIORATING, AND IN POOR CONDITION.

I HAVE RECEIVED AN ESTIMATE OF APPROXIMATELY 16,000 FOR A VINYL DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS COMPARE WITH APPROXIMATELY 50,000 FOR WOOD DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS.

THAT 34,000 DIFFERENCE IS A TREMENDOUS FINANCIAL BURDEN FOR US.

MAINTAINING THIS WINDOWS HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR US.

MY HUSBAND AND I ARE OVER 65, AND WE ARE ALSO CAREGIVERS FOR OUR SPECIAL NEED ADULT SON WHO REQUIRES OUR DAILY AND SUPERVISION, DAILY CARE AND SUPERVISION.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS ABOUT POTENTIAL EXPOSURE TO LEAD PAINT, WHICH MAY TRIGGER MY SON'S ASTHMA AND EPILEPTIC SEIZURES.

BECAUSE OF OUR FAMILY CIRCUMSTANCES, WE MUST CONSIDER MORE THAN JUST THE APPEARANCE OF OUR WINDOWS.

WE ARE REQUESTING VINYL, DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS BECAUSE IT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE MAINTENANCE BURDEN FOR US.

WHILE PROVIDING IMPROVED INSULATION AND PROTECTION FROM THE WEATHER, WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THE WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE IN APPEARANCE, PROPORTION, COLOR, AND PLACEMENT, SO THAT THEY MAINTAIN COMPATIBLE WITH OUR HISTORIC HOME AND THE SURROUNDING DISTRICT.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT REPAIR IS AN OPTION, BUT OUR CONCERN IS THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR A LONG-TERM SOLUTION THAT WE CAN REALISTICALLY MAINTAIN.

WE'RE NOT ASKING TO DISREGARD THE HISTORIC APPEARANCE.

WE ARE ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DURABLE REPLACEMENT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE CARING FOR OUR HOME.

UH, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER OUR CIRCUMSTANCES WITH COMPASSION AND CONSIDER APPROVING THE VINYL DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DISREGARD THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

I'M TRYING TO FIND AN AFFORDABLE, SAFE, AND LASTING SOLUTION FOR OUR HOME WHILE CONTINUING TO RESPECT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S HISTORIC CHARACTER.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

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MADAM CHAIR.

THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM.

WELL, LETTERS FOR, UH, MY SON, UM, SH UH, SH THE MADAM CHAIR IS ASKING ABOUT LETTERS FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YES.

OH, NO.

OH, I'M SORRY.

SORRY.

BUT I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY YOUR POINT THOUGH.

IN THE CASE FILE COMMISSIONERS, THERE ARE, UM, LETTERS RELATING TO, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT AND, UH, HER FAMILY.

SO, UM, PLEASE LOOK THROUGH THOSE.

UH, THEY ARE IN THE CASE FILE AS WELL.

I DID REVIEW THEM.

AT THIS TIME I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP TO MY COLLEAGUES AND I'LL START.

IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE IS, UM, I DO SEE A CALL COMING IN.

UH, COMMISSIONER , ARE YOU ABLE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF IF THAT'S YOU? UM, I DO BELIEVE WE, YEAH, I'M ON THE PHONE.

IMPORTANT SECURITY MESSAGE.

I'M ON THE PHONE, BUT I CAN'T GET THE WEBEX PASSWORD TO CONNECT.

THAT'S FINE.

I WAS JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS.

THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FINE.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND START TO MY LEFT IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

CAN, CAN I ALSO SPECIFY THAT AT THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE HOUSE, UM, IT'S COVERED WITH SCREENS.

YOU CAN'T SEE THE WINDOWS.

THEY ALL HAVE SCREENS LIKE THAT.

IT'S THE WHOLE HOUSE HAS SOME AND YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WHATEVER KIND OF WINDOWS WE PUT.

YES, MA'AM.

YOUR COMPUTER HAS BEEN LOCKED.

I SEE THE PHOTOS THAT YOU SUBMITTED.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND START TO MY LEFT AND I'LL START WITH, UH, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS? UH, I HAVE A COUPLE.

ONE, UM, WHAT, WHAT ROOMS ARE THE METAL WINDOWS ON? OH, THE, THE BACK.

UM, IT'S, UH, YEAH, THE, THE BACK BEDROOM.

AND WHEN IT'S COLD OUTSIDE, IT'S COLD INSIDE.

WHEN IT'S HOT OUTSIDE, IT'S HOT INSIDE.

AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON.

MY HUSBAND AND I, WE BOTH HAVE HEALTH ISSUES ALSO.

AND THEN TAKING CARE OF MY SON AND TAKING CARE OF THE WINDOWS.

IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY HARD, DIFFICULT.

BUT THE THREE, THE THREE METAL WINDOWS, THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

ARE THEY ALL IN ONE ROOM OR ARE THEY NO, NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN TWO ROOMS. IN, IN THE ROOMS THAT THEY'RE IN, DO THEY SHARE WITH WOODEN, WOODEN WINDOWS? NO.

UM, AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS JUST FOR STAFF.

IF, IF ANYONE'S SEEN THE STATE OF THE WOODEN WINDOWS? YES, COMMISSIONER.

SO I, UM, PERFORMED A SITE VISIT AT THIS PROPERTY.

AND SO, UM, ANYTIME THAT A, UM, YOU KNOW, A WINDOW REPLACEMENT REQUEST COMES, UH, BEFORE US, WE ALWAYS, OF COURSE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND, UH, PERFORM A SITE VISIT, MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS, AND OF COURSE DISCUSS THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS.

SO AT THE END OF THE CASE FILE, UM, IT IS KIND OF A LONG ONE, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT AT THE END OF IT, YOU'LL SEE THE PICTURES THAT I TOOK WHILE I WAS ON SITE.

UM, I WILL SAY THE PICTURES THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, BETTER QUALITY PERHAPS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ALL THE WOOD WINDOWS, THEY WOULD FALL WITHIN WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER REPAIRABLE CONDITIONS.

SO, UM, NONE OF THEM HAD OVER 50% OF THE WOODEN ELEMENTS DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR.

THEY CAN CERTAINLY USE SOME REFRAMING AROUND THEM, SOME RESTORATION.

UM, AND, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, OUR GUIDELINES DO ALLOW FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL CEILING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE WEATHERIZATION.

UM, AND SO YES, SO I CAN ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WINDOWS.

SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE FRAMING AROUND THE WINDOWS IS KIND OF WHAT, UH, IS THE MOST DETERIORATED.

BUT THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES, AGAIN, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY, UH, FALL WITHIN WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER REPAIRABLE.

AND DO YOU KNOW, UH, WHERE THE METAL WINDOWS CAME FROM OR WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN? THEY WERE THERE ALREADY WHEN WE, WHEN I PURCHASED A HOUSE.

AND WHEN WAS THAT? UH, IN, UH, 2005.

MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION IF MY COLLEAGUES ARE DONE.

I, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

AND THIS SORT OF GOES TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID A MOMENT AGO IN TERMS OF THE CONCERN ABOUT THE NEED FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL WEATHERING AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ARE THERE MATERIALS OUT THERE CURRENTLY THAT WOULD STILL FALL IN THE GUIDELINES OF REPAIRING THAT WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS? I, I CAN TAKE THAT.

UM, YES, YOU'RE REFERRING TO RETROFIT, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT, UM, FOLKS WITH ANY WINDOW, WOOD OR VINYL OR ALUMINUM CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE, UM, UH, THE RATE OF HEAT TRANSFER, UM,

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THROUGH THE MATERIALS.

AND SO THE FIRST THING IS INFILTRATION THROUGH WITH AIR INFILTRATION.

AND SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE YOUR WINDOWS ARE IN GOOD CONDITION OR WORKING ORDER CAN BE SEALED PROPERLY.

UM, THE SECOND IS ADDRESSING, UM, SOLAR HEAT GAIN, UH, THROUGH RADIANT HEAT.

UM, THAT'S USUALLY THROUGH THE GRA THROUGH THE GLASS.

UM, THAT CAN BE SOLVED WITH WINDOW FILM, UM, OR MITIGATED WITH INTERIOR SHADES.

UM, CELLULAR SHADES ARE RECOMMENDED, UM, BY A NUMBER OF SOURCES INCLUDING, UM, UH, THE NATIONAL ENERGY COUNCIL.

UM, OHP HAS A WINDOW RETROFIT GUIDE THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THIS YEAR THAT KINDA RATES ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS FOR RETROFIT, UM, BY COST AND RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

UM, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

UM, IT'S NOT, UM, NO ONE THING SOLVES EVERY PROBLEM.

UM, BUT THERE'S A MENU OF OPTIONS THAT ANY HOMEOWNER CAN CONSIDER.

THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT? GO AHEAD, SIR.

WE'RE ADDRESSING QUESTIONS.

UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I, I'M FULLY UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION.

I I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.

IT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY DETAILED AND LENGTHY APPLICATION, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, YOU WERE COMP YOU WERE COMPARING THE, UH, WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, UH, WITH THE ESTIMATE FROM PELLA OF AROUND 50,000, UM, TO THE, UH, THE NEW BRAUNFELS GROUP.

UM, THE, UH, WINDOW WORLD CARES, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE VINYL REPLACEMENT MM-HMM .

AND WORD AT APPLES TO APPLES, CERTAINLY.

UM, I CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THE, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE THERE.

UM, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED ALSO THOUGH, IN SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT, UM, STAFF PROVIDED THAT OFTENTIMES THESE VINYL WINDOWS, UH, BEGIN TO FAIL AFTER EVEN 10 YEARS, WHICH MEANS, UH, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER REPLACEMENT, UM, 10 YEARS AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IN 20 YEARS AND SO FORTH.

UM, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO DO, UM, UM, A COST ESTIMATE TO, TO WORK WITH ANY, UH, HISTORIC WINDOW, UM, RETROFITTERS, UH, ON THE, UH, REPAIR WORK INVOLVED, UH, FOR THE, THE WEATHER STRIPPING AND, AND, UH, ANY, ANY REPLACEMENT OF BOARDS THAT MIGHT NEED, UH, TO BE REPLACED? NO, NOT THROUGH THE HISTORIC.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE OF, UM, OUR RESPONSIBILITY WITH OUR SON, THAT TAKES HIS SPECIAL NEED.

HE'S, HE NEEDS 24 HOUR SUPERVISION AND IT'S VERY, UM, OVERWHELMING.

WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE WINDOWS IF IT'S, UM, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

UM, I, I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT.

IT'S VERY HARD.

I, UM, HAVING TO KEEP UP, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WINDOWS AND IT'S OVERWHELMING.

UM, THIS IS MY HUSBAND.

I JUST, UH, BUT, UM, I'LL APPRECIATE IF YOU HAVE COMPASSION AND, UH, PROOF THIS EASIER.

I MEAN, IT'LL BE A TREMENDOUS HELP FOR OUR HOME, UM, AND OUR FAMILY TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE AND KEEP UP WITH, NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS IT IS GONNA BE COLD TODAY.

AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO PUT, UM, WE DID, UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING, PUTTING, UH, PLASTIC ON THE WINDOWS JUST TO KEEP THE AIR FROM COMING IN THE COLD AIR AND THE HOT AIR.

SO IT'S, IT'S A BIG, UM, UM, STRAIN ON US.

YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR, FOR COMING TODAY AND, AND FOR SHARING THESE STORIES AND, AND EXPLAINING YOUR HARDSHIP.

UM, I, UH, I HAVE A, OR HAD A COUSIN WITH, UH, WITH MS AND IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY, UH, HAVE AN INKLING OF AN IDEA OF, OF THE EFFORT THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE CASES.

UM, I, I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP POINT THOUGH IS THAT, UH, BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN SO, SO BUSY WITH THE, THE CARETAKING, UM, YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO, TO APPRECIATE SOME OF THE OTHER RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

FOR INSTANCE, THE CITY AND ALSO CPS ENERGY HAVE PROGRAMS, UH, THAT BOTH THEY SPONSOR AND THROUGH OTHER PROGRAMS THROUGH THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP WITH WEATHER ENER, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WEATHER STRIPPING, REPAIR WORK FOR, FOR WINDOWS THROUGH TO IMPROVE MANY OF THESE ASPECTS, UH, WHILE SAVING YOU MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.

UM, BOTH BECAUSE YOU DON'T, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY COMMISSIONER ANY, ANY WINDOW REPLACEMENT AT THIS POINT.

OH, YES, MA'AM.

SORRY.

WHEN WE GO BACK, STAFF WILL ACTUALLY WILL REDIRECT FOR RESOURCES.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS TO THE LEFT? OKAY.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP TO THE RIGHT.

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GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, YOU MENTIONED YOU'VE LIVED THERE FOR 21 YEARS.

HAVE Y'ALL UPDATED OR CARED FOR THE WINDOWS IN THOSE 21 YEARS? UM, HAVING PAINTED, HAVING SEALS DONE? YEAH, SILICONE MY, WELL, YOU PUT, UM, YES, WE, WE'VE UH, WE'VE PUT, UH, SILICONE, SILICONE, UH, CAULKING AROUND THE WINDOWS TRYING TO DO THAT.

UH, WE'VE PAINTED A COUPLE TIMES, UH, AND I HAVE DONE A LITTLE MINOR CAR CARPENTRY ON THE WINDOW SILLS AND WHATNOT, BUT, UH, BUT HE'S, HE'S HAD WELL, KNEE SURGERIES AND IT, HE CAN'T BE CLIMBING, YOU KNOW, LADDERS AND IT'S JUST BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.

UM, AND THEN HE NEEDS HIS OTHER KNEE REPLACEMENT TOO, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR HIM TO THANK YOU.

MOVE AROUND.

AND THEN, UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, WELL, ALL THE ALLERGENS I NOTICED IN THE PACKET ABOUT ALLERGENS COMING IN, UM, AND THAT BEING A CONCERN, WELL, LEMME TELL YOU WHEN IT'S WINDY.

THE, THE WINDOWS, MA'AM, I'M SORRY.

HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO CONCLUDE AND MAKE HIS STATEMENT AND HIS QUESTIONS AS THE SAME COURTESY.

WELCOME.

WHAT WAS YOUR, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

UH, I'M SORRY.

UM, YEAH, I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT, UH, WHETHER YOU HAD TRIED OTHER REMEDIES AS FAR AS, UM, THE COMMISSIONER OR QUESTION.

IT IS.

EVERYTHING HAS BEEN INSULATED.

HAVE YOU TRIED OTHER, UH, REMEDIES AS FAR AS, UH, WINDOW INSERTS, OTHER, UH, THINGS INSIDE BESIDES PLASTIC, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE WINDOWS THAT WE DO, THAT'S JUST TO, YEAH, NO, WE HAVEN'T.

JUST THE, AND THEN, UH, PLASTIC.

UH, AND HAS THE HOUSE BEEN INSULATED RECENTLY? 'CAUSE THAT MAKES A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE.

YES, IT'S, IT IS, EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOWS.

AND THEN, UM, THE LAST QUESTION WAS, UH, I NOTICED THE DOC, DR.

PUL, THAT'S THE LUNG SPECIALIST FROM MY SON, UHHUH.

UH, HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT INABILITY TO WEATHER, STRIP AND SEAL THEM PROPERTY.

HAVE YOU NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT? WELL, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE TAKING CARE OF OUR SON AND WE CAN'T, UM, HE'S, LIKE I SAID, OUR HEALTH ISSUES, I HAVE HEART ISSUES.

HE'S GOT, WE, IT, IT'S TOTALLY SYMPATHETIC, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY A, A QUICK DRIVE TO LOWE'S AND, UH, JUST GETTING THE RIGHT MATERIALS.

BUT, UM, AS FAR AS QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A REPAIR QUOTE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ADRIAN.

ADRIAN, WHEN YOU WENT AND DID THE EVALUATION, WERE, WERE WE REDIRECTED TO LIKE THE HISTORICAL WINDOWS OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR MAYBE RE UM, LIKE RESOURCES TO DO ADDITIONAL LIKE WEATHERIZATION, LIKE WITH CPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? WERE THOSE PROVIDED OR DISCUSSED? UM, DISCUSSED, BUT NOT IN DETAIL.

NO.

MADAM CHAIR.

UM, SO SINCE THE, THE PRIMARY REQUEST WAS THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT WAS SORT OF THE, THE PRIMARY GOAL.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OF COURSE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR GUIDELINES WOULD SPECIFY, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY HINTING AT WHAT CAN BE DONE TO THESE WINDOWS.

SO WE DO HAVE A, UM, A, A WINDOW RETROFITTING GUIDE THAT I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE WITH THE APPLICANTS IF THEY HAVEN'T SEEN IT ALREADY.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OF COURSE DISCUSS WHAT THE GUIDELINES STATE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS, AND OF COURSE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANTS.

AND SO, UH, WE'RE HERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF COURSE, THE APPLICANTS WISH TO MAKE THIS REQUEST OF YOU.

UM, AND THEN DEPENDING ON, OF COURSE, YOUR DECISION, WE CAN THEN FOLLOW UP WITH THE NEXT STEPS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE ALL OF THE RESOURCES WE HAVE, UH, AVAILABLE TO THEM.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER ONLINE NO.

COMMISSIONER POOG WASN'T ABLE TO GET HIS WEBEX TO WORK THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO TELL HE CAN'T PARTICIPATE UNLESS HIS VIDEO'S WORKING.

OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T HAVE NO MORE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY MA'AM? I DO HAVE A COMMENT.

UM, OKAY, GO AHEAD.

I THINK JUST BASED OFF OF STAFF'S ANALYSIS, THAT THE WINDOWS ARE NOT DETERIORATED BEYOND 50%, WHICH WOULD TRIGGER A REPLACEMENT.

UM, IT'S DIFFICULT, AT LEAST FOR ME TO CONSIDER AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WHEN WE DON'T KNOW,

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WE DON'T KNOW IF THESE WINDOWS CAN IN FACT BE REPAIRED.

I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH AND INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.

UM, ALTHOUGH I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR SITUATION, AND, AND I MEAN, I WANNA UNDERSTAND YOU.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT THE GUIDELINES REQUIRE AND WHAT YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION IS.

AND, UM, I THINK HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, UM, ATTEMPT OR AT LEAST TRY TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC WINDOWS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

REMEMBER, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1947 AND REPAIRING IT.

I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH THAT.

UM, WITH, IT'S GOT LEAD PAINT, IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS BECAUSE IT'S 1947, ANYTHING 1978 BEFORE IT'S GOT LEAD PAINT.

AND I DON'T WANNA EXPOSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THOSE WINDOWS REPLACE, UM, TOTALLY REPLACED.

THEY'RE JUST, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT, IF YOU LIVE THERE, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT GONNA, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD.

IT'S VERY HARD.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M AFRAID OF THE LEAD PAINT ALSO HAVING MY SON EXPOSED OR US ANYBODY, MY GRANDKIDS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? JUST A MOMENT.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

NO MORE COMMENTS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSIONS? GO AHEAD, SIR.

MA'AM, UM, TRULY SYMPATHETIC TO ALL YOUR HEALTH NEEDS AND OF COURSE, YOURS AND OF COURSE, YOUR SPECIAL NEEDS SON.

UM, BUT IT'S, THIS IS SOMETHING OF COURSE, OUR, UM, OHP EXPERTS HERE, UH, GO AND OBSERVE AND TRY TO, OF COURSE, SEE THE COMPASSION PART AND WHETHER THEY TRULY NEED TO BE COM REPLACED OR, UM, THEY CAN BE RESTORED.

AND THERE ARE SO MANY WOOD WINDOW SPECIALISTS WHO RESTORE WINDOWS IN SAN ANTONIO.

UM, JUST IN YOUR AREA ALONE, PROBABLY WITHIN TWO SQUARE MILES.

UH, THERE'S SEVERAL WOOD WINDOW SPECIALISTS IN TOWN WHO CAN HELP YOU RESTORE THOSE WINDOWS.

AND ALSO THERE ARE LEAD WINDOW, UH, LEAD PAINT, UM, REMEDIES AS WELL THAT COULD REMOVE THAT HAZARD FROM YOU.

UM, AND I JUST URGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THOSE, UM, KINDS OF INDIVIDUALS.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, WORK WITH THE STAFF OF OHP, UH, ON NEXT STEPS AND, UH, REMEDYING THIS SITUATION AT THIS TIME.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MY COLLEAGUES CLARIFICATIONS? ANY, UH, GO AHEAD.

WOULD, WOULD NOW BE A, AN APPROPRIATE TIME FOR A QUICK COMMENT OR IS IT DIRECTLY TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS? BECAUSE IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS OR DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? UH, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION.

IN FACT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH WHITNEY.

UH, FROM, FROM THE, UH, THE BRAUNFELS FROM THE NEW BRAUNFELS, UH, ESTIMATED IT NOTICES THAT, UH, I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE A, A VETERANS' DISCOUNT.

SO, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO CONTACT ANY LOCAL VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE MILITARY CITY USA, WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT, UM, INDEPENDENTLY CAN OFFER ADVICE OR, UM, WORK WITH SEVERAL VA PROGRAMS ON ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND, AND WEATHERIZATION.

NO, NEVER HEARD.

WE HAVE A DOG, AND ONCE AGAIN, SHE'S A FEMALE BY HERSELF, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THE AREA.

AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS, I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

AT THIS TIME, MA'AM, IF YOU'LL PLEASE GO BACK TO THE OHP AND WORK WITH THEM, SUE, IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A FURTHER SOLUTION TO BETTER SUPPORT YOU.

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THANK, ARE WE READY? PLEASE GO AHEAD.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE, UH, COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA 9 1 9 NORTH PINE STREET.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF OF THREE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.

UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF OF THREE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITH THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, UM, THAT MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR OUR STANDARD INSTALLATION.

AND AN INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH OHP STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT STIPULATIONS ARE MET.

UH, WE DO HAVE APPLICANT NICHOLAS SPIKER.

HE, UM, UH, SHOULD BE ONLINE.

CAN YOU HEAR US, NICHOLAS? I, HIS ATTENDANCE WAS TENTATIVE.

SO THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER ENDING IN EIGHT EIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMMISSIONER OLO OR, OR NOT.

UM, IF THEY ARE WANTING TO SPEAK, YOU'LL NEED TO HIT STAR SIX ON YOUR, YOUR KEYPAD.

OKAY, MR. SPIKER, I SEE YOU'RE UNMUTED.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU YET.

IS YOUR PHONE MUTED? HELLO? SO WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU MIGHT TRY CALLING IT AGAIN.

UM, STAR SIX IS HOW YOU UNMUTE ON WEBEX, BUT YOUR PHONE WILL NEED TO BE UNMUTED AS WELL.

MADAM CHAIR, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER ITEM.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.

AND IF HE CAN CALL BACK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY.

LET'S GO.

MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.

ONE MOMENT ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD.

AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 2 8 5 8 2 4 NORTH PINE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL FRONT YARD IRON FENCE, FEATURING A PEDESTRIAN GATE AND OPERABLE VEHICULAR GATE AT THE SIDEWALK.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL FRONT YARD IRON FENCE FEATURING A PEDESTRIAN GATE INOP, OPERABLE VEHICULAR GATE WITH THE FALLING STIPULATION THAT THE VEHICULAR GATE IS LOCATED FULLY BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE AT THE REAR OF THE FRONT PORCH.

UM, OUR APPLICANT, ASHLEY PENA, IS ALSO PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY.

WE HOPE SHE IS.

ONE MOMENT.

HELLO? YES, I'M REPRESENTING ASHLEY.

I'M, UH, HER BOYFRIEND FIANCE, I SHOULD SAY.

UH, SHE'S IN A WORK MEETING.

SHE'S AN ATTORNEY.

UM, YES, THE, WE HAD SOME JUST QUESTIONS AND RESPECTFULLY, WE'VE UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE AND WE WANNA RESPECT THE PRESERVATION OF THE AREA.

AND, AND THAT'S WHERE WE MOVED HERE.

IT'S LOVING THE AREA, BUT WE, WE ARE JUST HAVING SOME QUESTIONS THAT, THERE'S SEVERAL NEIGHBORS OF OURS THAT HAVE THAT AND THAT'S WHY WE APPROACHED IT THIS WAY.

AND I HAVE LIKE NINE ADDRESSES ON MY BLOCK THAT HAVE THE SAME GATES IN THE FRONT OF THE PORCH.

AND REASON BEING HALF THE TIME I WORK OUTTA TOWN, SHE DOES TOO.

WE LOVE THE AREAS GENTRIFIED, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF HOMELESS THAT COME ON THE YARD, WHICH WE HAD TO MAKE IN THE LAST, UH, MONTH SINCE WE'VE BEEN THERE AND MOVED IN AND BOUGHT THE HOME, HOMELESS AND SO FORTH, WALK ON THE YARD.

SO WE'RE JUST, AND

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UM, AND WE SEE THAT EVERYONE HAS THAT, THAT THE, THE, UM, OF COURSE THE ENTRANCE, THE SWINGING GATE INTO THE SIDEWALK.

AND THEN WE WERE HOPING TO GET APPROVED, OF COURSE, THE AUTOMATIC, UM, GATE IN THE FRONT AS WE APPROACHED INTO THE DRIVEWAY.

AT THIS TIME I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, BUT I'LL START, GO AHEAD AND START WITH MY COLLEAGUES TO MY, TO MY RIGHT COMMISSIONER.

DO WE HAVE ANY MATT, MADAM? I DO.

I HAVE A COMMENT, UM, ON THE POLICY DOCUMENT FOR FENCES.

UM, FOR VEHICLE GATES, IT SAYS A FRONT VEHICLE GATE MAY BE CONSIDERED IF THE SITE FEATURES IN ATYPICAL CONDITION, INCLUDING A WRAP FRONT PORCH, NARROW DRIVEWAY, LESS THAN 10 FEET WIDE, AND A FRONT DRIVEWAY SUPPORTING REAR YARDS OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

UM, AND I THINK THIS PROPERTY WOULD QUALIFY FOR THAT.

UM, THEIR DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SIDE FENCE IS ONLY 10 FEET.

THEY DO HAVE A WRAPAROUND PORCH, SO I DON'T, YESTERDAY MY I DON'T SEE, UM, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH, UM, I THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IT, UM, HAVING THE GATE ALONG THE SIDEWALK, UM, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

I THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? GO AHEAD SIR.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

UM, THE, UH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE GATE, UH, TO THE FRONT WALK, BUT THE, UH, SIDE GATE, VEHICLE GATE, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED BACK TO THE BACK OF THE PORCH, WHICH WOULD ADD ANOTHER FENCE RIGHT ALONG THE PORCH, WHICH WOULD SEEM A LITTLE STRANGE.

AND THEN YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A SLIDING GATE.

YOU'D HAVE TO TURN THAT INTO A, UH, A HINGED GATE CO.

THE GATE WOULD BE SMALLER.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.

CORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE, UH, SLIDING GATE UP FRONT.

'CAUSE THE YARD A LOT IS SO SMALL AND NARROW.

ON THE LEFT SIDE OF OUR LOT, WE SHARE A LINE, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORS DIRECTLY ON THE HOME AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE, IT'S A NARROW PATHWAY AS WELL.

SO OUR LIGHT LINE IS DIRECTLY THE END OF THE HOME TO THE LEFT, WHICH YOU'RE SHOWING RIGHT NOW ON THE LEFT, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE'RE TRYING TO GO ACROSS, OF COURSE, A FEW FEET BACK ON, BACK FROM THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN, AND GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT THAT WE APPROACH.

IT'S JUST ONE DIRECT CLEAN LINE IN FRONT, LIKE ALL OUR NEIGHBORS.

WELL, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GATE MOVED BACK TO THE FRONT OF THE PORCH, BUT I THINK THE GATE NEEDS TO BE SET BACK FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE FRONT .

COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ.

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

UH, CAITLIN IS, SO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, AGAIN, I THINK YOU JUST ILLUSTRATED IT IN THE LAST, UH, WHAT STIPULATIONS WOULD SAY WOULD LINE UP RIGHT THERE AT THE VERY, I GUESS, BEGINNING SLASH END OF THE PORCH.

CORRECT.

UM, WHAT IS, IS THERE OTHER EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE APPLICANTS ARE ASKING FOR AS FAR AS, UM, I, IF YOU, WHERE WE HAVE THE PHOTO, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PHOTO AND HAVING THE FENCE GO ALIGNED DIRECTLY IN THE FRONT, THE REAR, I GET YOU.

UM, BUT I WAS ASKING THE STAFF ABOUT WHETHER THERE, OH, SORRY.

MY APOLOGIES.

NO APOLOGIES.

HANG ON.

I PULLED UP STREET VIEW SO WE CAN HAVE A LOOK.

ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? EXACTLY, YES.

PINE 8 0 8 PINE, OR THERE'S SEVERAL EXAMPLES ON THE, UH, TYPICALLY THIS DISTRICT DOES, UM, FEATURE A, A VARIETY OF LOCATIONS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR FENCES.

IS THERE OTHER EXAMPLES OF IT RUNNING ALONG THE SIDEWALK OR IS IT A RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF US? ALONG THE OR RIGHT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US.

THAT HOUSE RIGHT THERE LOOK.

RIGHT.

ONLY JUST PASSED DIRECTLY IN FRONT THAT OKAY.

THAT'S NOT THE ONE THERE IS.

UM, SIR, I CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

THIS HOUSE HERE HE'S DISCUSSING, YOU CAN SEE THE VEHICULAR GATE THERE AT THE FRONT OF THE PORCH, OKAY? MM-HMM .

SEVEN 14 PINE 8 0 2

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YES, MA'AM.

AND THE, THE GUIDELINES WOULD SAY THAT, AGAIN, IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OR END OF THE PORCH, UM, BUT THE PRECEDENT AROUND THERE WOULD SAY A LITTLE BIT OTHERWISE.

YEAH, I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR CONTEXT HERE IN YOUR DELIBERATION.

UM, OUR TYPICAL RECOMMENDATION, HOWEVER, PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD IS THAT IT STARTS BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE.

HOWEVER, AS COMMISSIONER ZIGA DID, UM, ILLUSTRATE THAT THERE CAN BE ADDITIONAL, DIFFERENT CONTEXTUAL CONSIDERATIONS.

RIGHT.

AND JUST FROM OUR QUICK VIEW HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS THAT THE, I GUESS THE, UH, DRIVEWAY GATE HAS BEEN INSTALLED AS FAR AS CORRECT.

UH, AND IT'S A LITTLE INCONSISTENT IN OTHER WORDS.

RIGHT.

AND MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.

THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

AT SOME OF THESE WERE NOT APPROVED.

I CAN'T SPEAK ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT POSSIBLY, YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT, UH, IT'S A LITTLE INCONSISTENT.

UM, OKAY.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, CAITLIN, I APOLOGIZE.

DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR THE HISTORICAL, UM, COMMITTEE IN THAT AREA HAVE ANY SUBMISSIONS? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE ANY COMMENTS.

AT THIS TIME I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP, UM, FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO MY, TO MY LEFT PLEASE.

CAN, CAN I SAY SOMETHING GUYS? RESPECTFULLY? JUST A MOMENT, SIR? YES, MA'AM.

AT THIS MOMENT I'M OPENING IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT SO THEY CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

MADAM CHAIR, THERE IS ONE COMMENT FROM, UH, DHNA ON 8 2 4 PINE, THAT THEY AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE LETTERS FOLDER.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION.

UH, MADAM CHAIR, COULD I ASK A QUESTION? GO AHEAD.

FOR STAFF, JUST, UH, TOUCHING BASE, AT LEAST AS RECENTLY AS FEBRUARY, 2021, ACCORDING TO THE, THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW, LOOK BACK, THERE WAS A WOODEN, UM, UH, VEHICULAR GATE, UM, THAT WAS SET BEHIND THE FACADE OF THE, UH, FRONT OF THE BUILDING, NOT JUST THE PORCH.

UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THERE FOR AT LEAST 10 OR 15 YEARS.

UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE SOME OF THE PHOTOS LOOK LIKE THEY WERE PROSPECTIVE INSTEAD OF CURRENT CONDITIONS.

IS, IS THERE STILL A GATE THERE? AND DO WE, IF NOT, DO WE KNOW WHEN IT CAME DOWN? UM, I THINK MAYBE THE APPLICANT COULD ANSWER THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT FENCE HAS BEEN REMOVED, CORRECT? YES, IT'S BEEN REMOVED.

GUYS, THERE'S NOTHING THERE.

IT'S JUST WIDE OPEN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO MY LEFT OFF AROUND THE CORNER? ADMITTED.

ALL RIGHT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MY, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE OF THE LETTER AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION 'CAUSE I DID NOT SEE IT.

WHETHER THEY'RE ADDRESSING THREE DIFFERENT CASES, I'M BEING DRAW AROUND THE COURT.

I WASN'T AWARE OF THE LETTER AS WELL, SO THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

UH, MY COLLEAGUE KAITLYN, MY QUESTION IS TO YOU, ON YOUR OBSERVATION, DID YOU PERSONALLY GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS LOCATION? YES.

DRIVE BY AND IN AND IN YOUR WALK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORS, DID YOU SEE INCONSISTENCIES AS WELL? YES.

AND THIS, DID THIS, WHEN DID THIS AREA GO INTO THE HISTORICAL, UM, RECOGNITION? DO YOU REMEMBER? DOES IT, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THAT AREA? I APOLOGIZE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE.

THE 1980S.

ALRIGHT, SO PEOPLE ARE, AND CLARIFICATION, THERE'S SIGNAGE AND EVERYTHING THAT, THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WHERE IT'S STATING IT'S A HISTORICAL ZONE.

IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW.

UM, I THINK THERE ARE STREET SIGNS, BUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS ULTIMATELY IS THE, THE MOST FORMAL WAY THAT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE NOTICE OF REQUIREMENTS.

THOSE ARE ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, PLUS THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE LETTERS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ON WHAT WERE IN EXISTENCE AND WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES, BUT YET WE HAVE CERTAIN REGULATIONS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO APPLY BY, THOUGH THOSE ARE CERTAIN DEVIATIONS THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN PRIVILEGES TO BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMOVED AND THEY WEREN'T THERE PRIOR TO.

UM,

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ALSO, AS WELL AS WITH THE COMMISSION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO.

DO WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE ONLINE? YES, PLEASE.

UH, LAST COMMENT IS RESPECTFULLY, WE JUST WANNA, EXCUSE ME, SIR, I'M SORRY.

THE QUESTION IS FROM THE COMMISSIONER THAT'S ONLINE.

I THINK HE CAN COMMENT.

DO WE HE'S HE'S GONE.

NO, UH, THE QUESTION WAS, SIR.

JUST A MOMENT.

AT THIS TIME, COREY, HIS TIME IS OVER.

IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVE NO COMMISSIONERS ONLINE.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HEAR THE QUESTION FROM THE APPLICANT, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE ONE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION PLEASE.

MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S, UM, COMMENTS? THERE'S A MOTION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, I SECOND THAT MOTION.

I'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL.

KAITLYN, YOUR APPLICANT'S ON NICHOLAS SPIKER'S HONOR, SIR, IF YOU'LL PLEASE REACH OUT TO KAITLYN.

SHE'LL ACTUALLY DISCUSS ANY FURTHER NEXT STEPS, PLEASE, SO THAT WAY YOU'LL WORK WITH THEM AND WE'LL DISCUSS THE NEXT STEPS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.

WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND DO THE PREVIOUS CASE.

I BROUGHT UP IN THE APPLICATION IS THAT THESE HOMES ARE NOT VISIBLE.

UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD AGENDA CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 2 79 9 1 9 NORTH PINE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF OF THREE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITH THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.

MR. SPIKER, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM.

PERFECT, THANK YOU.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF OF THREE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WITH A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING SPECIFICATIONS.

UM, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, UM, WE STIPULATE AND, UH, ROOF INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH THE HP STAFF PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION.

AND NICHOLAS SPIKER, THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE WITH US.

UH, MR. SPIKER, YOU HAVE 12 MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR CASE.

YEAH, THE, THE MAIN REASON WE WANTED TO DO THE STANDING SEAM INSTEAD OF THE TRADITIONAL, UH, CRIMPED EDGE METAL ROOF IS BECAUSE OF THE PRECEDENT ON THE FRONT HOUSE.

THAT WHICH IS BUILT IN 1898, THE FRONT HOUSE, UH, IN 2014, I'M, I'M ASSUMING WITHOUT, UM, HISTORICAL APPROVAL, A STANDING SEAM, A METAL ROOF WAS INSTALLED.

UM, THE REASON WE WANNA REPLACE THE ROOFS IN THE REAR IS BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WATER DAMAGE, UM, SPECIFICALLY FROM HAIL HAS PROBABLY BEEN THE WORST.

AND WE'VE HAD TO REPLACE A LOT OF SHINGLES AND PLYWOOD AND IT'S BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF A MANAGEMENT CONCERN BACK THERE.

AND THE METAL ROOF IS, IS OBVIOUSLY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DURABLE.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF TREES, SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DURING THE LAST TORNADO, WHICH, UH, THIS YEAR, UM, WE HAD, UH, SOME DAMAGE, WHICH WAS OVER $7,000 TO REPAIR WATER DAMAGE.

UM, ON THE, ON UNIT ONE, UM, WE ALSO HAD DAMAGE ON UNIT NUMBER FOUR.

UM, IF IT HAS TO BE A CRIMPED EDGE, UM, I, IT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT.

THE THING IS, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE AND GIVEN THE SITUATION HERE WHERE THE PRECEDENT IS ON THAT FRONT HOUSE AND THESE HOUSES ARE, YOU KNOW, 50, 60 YEARS LATER, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME.

ANOTHER THING THAT WE, YOU KNOW,

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UM, BASICALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, ME WHO SEES THEM OR ANYONE ELSE WHO'S LIVING IN THEM.

UM, AND I ALSO DIDN'T KNOW IF THE OTHER, THE OTHER ITEM THAT I APPLIED FOR WAS ON, UH, THIS OHP HEARING.

IF NOT, NO BIG DEAL.

BUT THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I APPRECIATE YOU BEING OUR PATIENT, BEING ABLE TO GET YOU BACK ONLINE.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND MY COLLEAGUES TO MY LEFT PLEASE.

DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL GO HEARING, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED TO MY RIGHT.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STEPH.

DO YOU HAVE A RECORD OR DO YOU KNOW IF THAT FRONT HOUSE ROOF WAS APPROVED THE WAY IT WAS INSTALLED? UM, NO, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO 2015, UH, WHEN THE GUIDELINES WERE INSTITUTED.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THE ROOF WAS REPLACED, YOU KNOW, IN A TIME WHEN WE DID NOT HAVE PURVIEW OVER THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTIONS? I, THIS IS, I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR.

OH, UM, THIS IS TO STAFF.

UM, AND SORRY I STEPPED OUT FOR A MOMENT.

UM, IS THE APPLICANT IN AGREEMENT WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR THEY IN DISAGREEMENT WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND APOLOGIES FOR STEPPING OUT.

THEY ARE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE, UM, RIDGE CONDITION.

MADAM CHAIR.

GO AHEAD, SIR.

SO FOR STAFF, UH, THESE ARE A DUS THAT ARE IN BACK OF THE, THESE ARE ALL THREE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

AND WHEN WERE THESE CONSTRUCTED? UM, THEY, ACCORDING TO THE SANBORNS, I'VE SUPPLIED THREE SANBORNS WITHIN THE CASE FILE.

UM, I BELIEVE THE ONE YOU SEE HERE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT I'VE KIND OF HAVE HIGHLIGHTED HERE, UM, I THINK PART OF IT WAS ORIGINAL TO THE CONSTRUCTION DATE.

IT HAS SINCE BEEN KIND OF, UM, ENVELOPED BY NEW CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT THE SANBORN'S PREVIOUS.

UM, OKAY, THIS IS 1904.

UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME REAR ACCESSORIES, BUT I BELIEVE THIS ONE HERE IS THE ONE, UM, THAT I HAD JUST TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF BEING ENVELOPED.

AND THEN WHERE ARE WE AGAIN? YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, YOU SEE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES HERE AT THE REAR.

AND THEN FINALLY HERE IN 1951, I THINK YOU SEE, UM, SOME OF THE ULTIMATE CONDITION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY.

SO THEY ARE PART OF THE, OR AT LEAST IN MY EYES, UH, PART OF THE COLLECTION OF HISTORIC HOMES.

CORRECT.

UM, AND PART OF WHY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS HISTORIC.

UM, OKAY, THANK YOU.

YOU CAN ALSO LOOK BACK AT ONE OF THE OTHER THAT WAS SUBMITTED.

THE ORIGINAL MAIN HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY 1898 MM-HMM .

AND THEN THE ROOFING GUIDELINES WEREN'T ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED UNTIL 2015.

SO SOME OF THESE HOUSES WERE PRIOR TO TWO.

AND BECAUSE THOSE WERE PRIOR TO, SO THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, IS THAT CORRECT? JUST FOR CONFIRMATION.

THESE GUIDELINES WERE IN PLACE AROUND 2012.

SO 2012.

UM, STIPULATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS BOTH CORRECT? I SECOND CURRENTLY THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE RESEARCHED TO CONFIRM FOR THE SAFETY OF THE HISTORICAL SAFETY OF THE HOUSE WHERE IT WOULD PREVENT MOLD OR, I MEAN, I'M JUST, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE.

'CAUSE WE, WE GET SEVERAL, ONE OF THESE AND I WAS READING AND I DIDN'T SEE THE JUSTIFICATIONS ON IT.

JUST QUICK VERSION.

UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, A RICH DETAIL.

UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT THE VENTED RIDGE FOR, UM, AIRFLOW THROUGH THE ATTIC SPACE, BUT FENCE CAN, SOMETIMES THEY'RE ON THE GABLE, YOU CAN ALSO ADD THEM IN OTHER WAYS BESIDES THAT RIDGE CAP.

SO, OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HEARING NONE? I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE.

ADAM.

CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, UM, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION BEFORE I SECOND? GO AHEAD.

UM, TO MY COMMISSIONER,

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I'LL TAKE ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE.

SIR, IF YOU'LL GO AHEAD AND WORK WITH KAITLYN TO SEE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE, PLEASE.

GOOD LOOK ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN H OR CTAP, CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 2 84 2 22.

MARY LOUISE, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 18 INCH TALL RETAINING WALL AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY FEATURING A STECCO FINISH.

AND RED, RED BRICK CAP STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FRONT YARD RETAINING WALL.

BASED ON FINDINGS, A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC BURN BY INTRODUCING LOW GROWING PLANT MATERIAL TO PREVENT EROSION.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE ARE TWO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

UM, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND COME UP, UH, AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UM, WALK THE COMMISSIONERS TO YOUR CASE, I'LL, UH, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO DO SO.

I JUST MADE A REQUEST TO REALLY, TO, UH, RETAIN THE SOIL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

AND I KNOW IT'S A HISTORICAL HOUSE AND IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE.

WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO KEEP THE ARCHITECTURE INTACT.

UH, WHAT I PLAN, WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING IS IT'S JUST PUTTING A SHORT WALL AND, UH, I FOUND AN ARTISAN TO MATCH THE STUCCO WITH THE HOUSE EXACTLY TO BE IN THE FRONT.

UH, BASICALLY I'M, I'M TRYING TO IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPE OF THE HOUSE.

I'M KEEPING THE SPANISH REVIVAL ARCHITECTURE IN MIND.

UM, THE LANDSCAPING WILL BE QUITE FORMAL, SO I, I WAS THINKING THAT I, I DO THIS FOR A LIVING.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO I, UH, WAS THINKING THAT THIS WOULD BE A NICE FINISH TO THE FRONT, UH, ESPECIALLY GO GOING TO GREAT LENGTHS TO USING A 100-YEAR-OLD BRICK ON TOP THAT I, THAT I RECENTLY FOUND TO MATCH THE ROOF AND THE WHITE STUCCO TO MATCH THE, UH, HOUSE AS WELL.

I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BERMS, UH, UP AND DOWN THE STREET.

UH, UH, BUT, BUT, UH, THAT BEING THAT IN MIND, KEEPING THAT IN MIND, THERE ARE HOUSES THAT I TOOK PICTURES OF UP AND DOWN MY STREET, OTHER STREETS THAT HAVE DONE OTHER, UH, WALLS, AND THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN WHAT I WANT TO DO.

UH, MY WALL WILL JUST BE KIND OF BLENDING INTO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE.

AND, UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE TO KEEP THE EROSION TO AGAIN, MAYBE GET, UH, A GOOD STAND OF GRASS THERE.

MY INTENT IS TO MAKE THE BEST LOOK FOR THE HOUSE.

AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE ARCHITECTURE AND, AND THE, UH, THE, UM, STYLE THAT IT WAS EVENTUALLY, UH, BROUGHT FORTH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DONE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE'S OTHER, UH, INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE DONE OTHER THINGS AND THAT BASICALLY I WANT, I WANT TO REQUEST THAT I, UH, BE GIVEN PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT LETTERS OR ANYTHING OF THIS NATURE? WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER, BIANCA MALDONADO.

BIANCA WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES.

TOM SIMMONS IS ALSO HERE AND HAS YIELDED HIS TIME.

SIR, DON'T GO AWAY.

JUST HAVE A SEAT, BUT STAY CLOSE.

GOOD MORNING.

BIANCA MALDONADO, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5.

UM, AND TOM HAS YIELDED HIS TIME TO ME TOO.

IF YOU COULD PUT, PULL UP THE FILE.

THE, THE, THE IMAGES.

TO HAVE FOLKS MOVE BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU COULD SCROLL THROUGH SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES.

I THINK ONE OF THE KEY CONTEXT PIECES IS THIS IS AN ATLEY BE AIR'S HOME.

THIS IS A HOME THAT IS CONTRIBUTING SIGNIFICANTLY TO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE VERY THANKFUL FOR THE LARGE INVESTMENT THAT, UM, THE OWNER IS MAKING.

HE IS A NEW OWNER AND WE'RE SO THANKFUL THAT THIS IS A HOME AGAIN, IT WAS AN AIRBNB FOR SOME TIME, SO IT'S GREAT

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BUT WALKING THROUGH THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING REPRESENTED, UM, THERE IS A PROPERTY THAT SAYS TWO 16, MARY LOUISE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST PICTURE WITH THE STONE WALL, THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, TWO 10 MARY LOUISE.

AND THAT WAS BUILT BEFORE WE WERE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE NEXT PHOTO, UH, THAT IS ACTUALLY 4 0 1 MARY LOUISE.

AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT BEFORE WE WERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE NEXT 1, 3 18 FUR THAT WASN'T EVEN THE FRONT DOOR.

THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN COMPLETELY RE UM, CONFIGURED.

AND SO THAT WALKWAY WAS COMPLETELY INTRODUCED BEFORE WE WERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE FRONT DOOR IS ACTUALLY TO THE RIGHT AND IT'S A WINDOW NOW.

NEXT PHOTO PLEASE.

3 49.

MARY LOUISE.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE A RETAINING WALL.

IT HAS SOME BOULDERS IN THE YARD.

THIS IS A TU HOME.

UM, AND THOSE BOULDERS WERE PLACED WITH, UH, THE APPROVAL OF OHP.

THE NEXT PHOTO, PLEASE, IS A CORNER HOUSE.

THE ADDRESS FOR THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY 2 0 3 NORTH.

YOU COULD ACTUALLY GO INTO GOOGLE EARTH AND SEE THAT THIS PROPERTY DIDN'T, UH, RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR THIS RETAINING WALL THAT WAS PUT IN.

IT WAS ACTUALLY PAVERS.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY SLOPED.

AND THEN THERE WERE PAVERS THAT THE OWNER PUT.

AND THEN RECENTLY WE HAD A, A STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND THE CITY MADE A CONCRETE CURB AT THE BOTTOM.

UM, THE NEXT PHOTO, UM, IF YOU'LL SEE THE NEXT PHOTO, IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

WHEN WE EVALUATED THIS WALL, UH, BECAUSE THE CITY HAD TO REPLACE THIS RETAINING WALL AS PART OF THAT STREET PROJECT I JUST MENTIONED, UH, IT WAS BUILT BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UH, THE LAST ONE THAT SHOWS THREE 300, MARY LOUISE IS ACTUALLY 4 0 2.

MARY LOUISE.

THIS WAS BUILT BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS ABOUT 60 YEARS OLD.

THE LAST ONE HERE, I THINK.

SO IT SAYS NORTH AVENUE.

IT'S ACTUALLY 2 55 CLUB.

AND THIS PROPERTY HAD A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RETAINING WALL AND THEY MAINTAINED IT AND PUT IN NEW, UH, FEATURES.

UM, BUT IT ORIGINALLY DIDN'T RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

I WILL TELL YOU BERMS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE, A LIVE IMAGE OF 2, 2, 2, MARY LOUISE AND ZOOM OUT AND REALLY LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THIS HOME HAS TO THE OTHER PROPERTIES ON THIS BLOCK.

UM, THIS IS CONTRIBUTING.

IT IS A VERY SMALL BERM.

AND AS I EXPLAINED TO THE O HOMEOWNER, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY YEARS THIS FRONT YARD WAS NOT MAINTAINED.

WE SAW A LOT OF DAMAGE AND LOSS OF, OF, UH, LANDSCAPING THAT OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S PROGRESSION THROUGH GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT IMAGE OF THE HOUSE AT 2, 2 2, MARY LOUISE, UM, IN COMPARISON TO, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT IS A VERY SMALL SLOPE.

AND SO AN INTRODUCTION OF AN ADDITIONAL STUCCO ELEMENT, THIS HOUSE HAS VERY CHARACTER DEFINING TEXTURED WHITE STUCCO.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO REPLICATE THAT ON A VERY SMALL SHORT WALL.

SO THEN YOU IN TURN INTRODUCE ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME.

LET'S CELEBRATE THE BERM.

WE HAVE SO MANY MORE HOMES THAT HAVE BERMS THAN WE DO THAT HAVE RETAINING WALLS THAT WERE BUILT PRIOR TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSISTENCY.

YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY DENIED OTHER INDIVIDUALS, UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO INSTALLED RETAINING WALLS.

YOU'VE HAD THEM REMOVED IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AS THOSE CASES HAVE COME BEFORE YOU PREVIOUSLY.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR CONSISTENCY.

UM, WE FEEL THAT THE, THERE ARE LANDSCAPE OPTIONS THAT CAN WORKED THROUGH ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, SITUATION WITH STAFF AND NOT BE AN APPLICATION.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE CURRENT DETAILS AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY WANNA SUPPORT THE PROPERTY OWNER IN EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND VERY THANKFUL FOR ALL THEIR INVESTMENT.

BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, IT'S THE OVERALL SITE AND SETTING AND HOW THIS HOUSE RELATES TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES BECAUSE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET THEY MAINTAIN THE, JUST LET YOU KNOW, THE, THE TIMER DID RUN OUT.

OH, I WAS LOOKING FOR IT.

SORRY.

THE, UM, IT DIDN'T MAKE AN AUDIO.

OKAY, BRIAN, AND I'M AND I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU, YOU WERE DIRECTLY IN OBSERVATION OF GOING TO REVIEW THIS PROPERTY? YES.

UM, BUT IT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RE WE, IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS TO DO, WE'RE WE WILL RECITE IT AND, AND, BUT I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA PUT ANY FOLIAGE UP IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

AT THIS TIME I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS AND I'LL START TO MY RIGHT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

SIR, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND COME UP TO THE MIC? AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY OTHER, UM, SOLUTIONS FOR ADDRESSING EROSION? UH, BASICALLY WE WERE GOING TO THE, THE, UH, UH, THE ALTERNATIVE TO THIS WOULD BE RESITING THE YARD AND, AND, AND GRADING IT.

UM, I JUST REALLY WAS MORE OF A, A VISUAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT TO THE YARD TO FINISH IT, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE FORMAL ENTRANCE.

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IT, IT JUST COULD BE A STRUCTURE RATHER THAN PLANTS.

I WANNA KEEP THE FORMAL, UH, LANDSCAPING THAT I'M, I'M PLANNING.

SO THIS IS MORE OF AN AESTHETIC SOLUTION.

YES, EXACTLY.

NOT A FUNCTIONAL SOLUTION.

AESTHETICS AND FUNCTIONAL, BUT YEAH, AESTHETICS.

UH, THIS AESTHETICS SOLUTION THAT YOU MENTIONED, IT'S NOT A SOLUTION.

IT'S PULLING THE EYE AWAY FROM THE STUNNING HOME THAT IT IS.

AND LUCKILY YOU HAVE BROUGHT IT BACK INTO BEING A HOME INSTEAD OF A CRUMMY AIRBNB.

UM, BUT IT IS, HAVE YOU TRACK, YOU'RE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO I'M SURE YOU KNOW ASIA, JASMINE WOULD BE FABULOUS ON THAT BERM.

UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? YES, I HAVE.

I JUST WANTED TO KEEP THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LANDSCAPE AT THE HOUSE ITSELF AND, AND AROUND THE HOUSE ITSELF.

I, I WIDENED THE FOOTPRINT, UH, WITH UH, UH, THERE'S MORE LANDSCAPING THAT THERE IS THERE NOW.

IT, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE, BY UH, HISTORICAL.

UH, AND, UH, AND I WANT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT MORE AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE RATHER THAN A PLANTING AREA.

IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHAT WOULD LIKE TO DO.

WHAT THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION IS TO, UH, PRESERVE AND PROTECT THESE HOMES AND TO, UM, KEEP THEM AS THEY ARE.

AND, UM, RETAIN CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES.

AND AS THE GENTLE LADY MENTIONED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BURNS BERMS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF YOU GO A FEW BLOCKS OVER, UH, YOU MENTIONED VER DRIVE, YOU MENTIONED NORTH DRIVE, UH, TOWARDS THE OTHER END OF THE DISTRICT, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THERE'S EVEN HIGHER BERMS, UM, THAT ARE NOT EVEN, UH, AS SHORT AS YOURS.

UM, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO MANAGE WITH LANDSCAPE.

UM, THIS IS MY HOME DISTRICT, SO I PASS BY YOUR HOUSE ALL THE TIME.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS.

AND, UM, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS RETAINING WALL BEING ANY KIND OF, UM, HELP AND IT JUST PULLING FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL MM-HMM .

MAJESTIC HOME THAT IT IS.

OKAY, WELL I RESPECT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SIR? AT THIS TIME I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE QUESTIONS TO MY LEFT PLEASE.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A COMMENT IF THAT IT'S OKAY.

GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

UH, THIS IS TO THE APPLICANT.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, YOUR HOME IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

SO TIP OF THE HAT 'CAUSE IT'S GORGEOUS.

AND THEN NUMBER TWO, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, GOING THE, GOING THROUGH THE PATH OF SEEKING, UM, THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE FIRST, WE OFTEN HEAR, UM, OF VIOLATION CASES, SO IT'S REFRESHING TO HAVE A CASE THAT COMES BEFORE US WHEN, UM, PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR PERMISSION.

SO THOSE WERE MY TWO COMMENTS.

ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, SIR.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE WANTING FOR AESTHETICS MM-HMM .

BUT AGAIN, WHEN WE ARE ADDRESSING THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, DID YOU GO BACK AND MAKE A, MAYBE A SECONDARY PLAN THAT YOU CAN COME BACK AND MAYBE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION SO THAT WE CAN STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES? WELL, NOT REALLY, BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T WANT TO INTRODUCE FOLIAGE AND THE, AT THE, IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

I UNDERSTAND.

I WANTED, I WANTED TO KEEP A, A WIDER FOOTPRINT OF, UH, WITH A MORE FORMAL DETAIL.

UH, THE WALL WOULD, WOULD REALLY JUST, UH, BE A FEATURE.

NOT REALLY PLANTING.

I DON'T WANNA DO ANY PLANTING THERE.

BUT IF, IF WE DON'T APPROVE, IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS, I'M JUST GONNA DO GRASS.

UNDERSTOOD.

SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I APPRECIATE THE DIRECTNESS IN AND THE FACT THAT YOU DID COME BEFORE US.

SURE.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? CLARIFICATIONS OKAY, AT THIS TIME I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN, UM, A MOTION PLEASE.

MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

SECOND, I, I'LL SECOND.

CURRENTLY THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE.

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THANK YOU SIR, IF YOU'LL PLEASE GO BACK WITH OHP AND WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A, A GOOD WORKING PLAN SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT BEAUTIFUL HOUSE OF YOURS.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PRIORITIZING DOING THE RIGHT THING AND FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

THANK YOU SIR.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO OUR LAST CASE PLEASE.

AGENDA NINE, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT CTAP.

CASE NUMBER 2026 DASH 2 59 6 0 1 BURNETT STREET.

THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALLING ADDITIONAL TWO FEET OF SCREENING ON TOP OF AN EXISTING SIX FOOT TALL WOOD PRIVACY FENCE TO FEATURE HORIZONTAL WOOD SLATS.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINANCE.

A THROUGH A AND B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE EXISTING REAR REAR YARD FENCE CONFIGURATION.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.

UM, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND COME UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, WALK THE COMMISSIONERS TO YOUR REQUEST, YOU'LL HAVE 12 MINUTES TO DO SO.

THANK YOU, BRIAN.

GOOD MORNING Y'ALL.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME IN AND SPEAK TODAY.

UH, SIR, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE? YES, GARY AMYS.

SO I WANNA BEGIN BY SAYING THAT I ABSOLUTELY RESPECT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, MY HOME WAS BUILT IN 1925, UM, AND I'VE INVESTED SOME, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE TIME AND MONEY INTO RESTORING AND IMPROVING, UH, IMPROVING IT ONCE, YOU KNOW, ONCE I BOUGHT IT IN 2020, UM, I TAKE PRIDE IN DEFINITELY PRESERVING ITS CHARACTER.

UM, HOWEVER, I ALSO BELIEVE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND A HOMEOWNER'S REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY SHOULD BE, UH, SHOULD BE ABLE TO COEXIST.

UM, SO MY PROPERTY HAS APPROXIMATELY 150 LINEAR FEET OF FENCING AND I'M ONLY REQUESTING 48 FEET OF THAT TO BE WITH SCREENING, WHICH IS ABOUT 32%.

AND IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN EIGHT FEET TALL.

AND THAT IS PRIMARILY IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOME.

I DO HAVE A PICTURE THAT I UPLOADED LAST NIGHT, BUT I HAVE A COPY HERE JUST TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE, UH, THE FENCE LINE THAT I'M LOOKING TO, WHICH IS THE RED PORTION.

UM, AND THEN I HAVE IDENTIFIED THE WINDOWS ON THAT PROPERTY.

AND IF YOU SLIDE IT A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY FURTHER AND BACK.

THAT ONE'S GOT A SECOND FLOOR THAT OVERLOOKS THE YARD AS WELL.

UM, SO THE SCREENING IS ALMOST ENTIRELY HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW.

UM, ONLY A SMALL PORTION WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM CERTAIN ANGLES, UH, OR ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, IT DOESN'T ALTER MY HOME'S HISTORIC FACADE OR SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THE STREET SCAPE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THE REASON I'M REQUESTING THIS IS SIMPLE.

UM, THE NEIGHBORING HOMES BEING THAT THEY'RE ELEVATED HERE AND BEAM, UH, AND WE'RE ON A SLOPE, SO THEY, THAT, THAT HOUSE LOOKS DIRECTLY ONTO MY BACKYARD.

UM, AND UH, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY SPENDS THEIR TIME.

UH, I HAVE A FIVE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER THAT LIKES TO BE BACK THERE AND PLAYING.

AND I HAVE A LITTLE QUICK SET POOL BACK THERE FOR HER THAT I PLAN ON LEAVING UP, UH, YEAR ROUND.

'CAUSE I GOT A HEAT PUMP FOR IT AND I CAN USE IT NOW.

UM, SO, UH, THE, THE STANDARD, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD SIX FOOT FENCE IN THAT CORNER JUST DOESN'T PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE, UH, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY FROM THOSE FROM THE NEIGHBORING HOMES.

SO I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DISREGARD, UH, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, BUT I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, UH, THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF MY PROPERTY AND THE, UH, VERY LIMITED IMPACT THAT THE SCREENING WOULD HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, CAN SEE SEEK SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

UM, AND IF, IF THAT'S REQUIRED, I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO FOLLOW THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

UM, SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST REALLY LOOKING FOR A, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE BALANCE BETWEEN PRESERVING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND THEN GIVING MY FAMILY THE PRIVACY THAT, THAT WE NEED FOR THAT BACKYARD.

THANK YOU MR. A AMENS AMS, AMOS.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

IF YOU'LL GIVE US JUST A MOMENT.

SURE.

UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE FLOOR AND I'LL START TO MY RIGHT

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WITH THE COMMISSIONERS.

MADAM COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, ON THIS PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AT LEAST TWO TREES BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SIDE.

UM, Y YEAH.

ARE THERE, I MEAN, IS COULD YOU ACHIEVE PRIVACY IN OTHER WAYS BESIDES FENCE, THROUGH LANDSCAPING BEING VEGETATION, MAYBE PLANTING MORE TREES? I, I'VE, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL BACKYARD AND IF I PUT ANYTHING INSIDE THE FENCE ALONG THAT BORDER, IT WILL TAKE AWAY A LITTLE BIT OF THAT SPACE THAT WE HAVE BACK THERE.

UH, WHAT LIMITED SPACE WE, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

BUT, UM, AND YEAH, THE TREE DOES GO THROUGH THE FENCE THERE.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT, BUT OF COURSE AI DOESN'T ALWAYS PRODUCE THE MOST ACCURATE IMAGE.

BUT, UM, AND THAT TREE, THAT PARTICULAR TREE DOES HAVE SOME COVERAGE FOR ONE OF THE WINDOWS, BUT IT'S, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN THERE, IT HASN'T REALLY GROWN MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

AND I'VE, YOU KNOW, DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TRIMMING IT AND GETTING IT TO GROW, BUT I'M, I'M REALLY NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IT TO EXPAND OVER.

UM, AND THAT PICTURE, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE OTHER WINDOW.

'CAUSE ON THE LEFT CORNER, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, THAT KITCHEN WINDOW ON THE FAR LEFT.

BUT THOSE TWO WINDOWS, THE PRIMARY, TWO BIG WINDOWS, THOSE ARE THEIR, THAT'S THEIR LIVING ROOM AND THEY HAVE THEIR BLINDS OPEN ALL THE TIME AND WE CAN SEE THEM, THEY CAN SEE US, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S AWKWARD IT.

SO, THANK YOU MA'AM.

SIR, NO QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UM, HAVE YOU EXPLORED, KIND OF HIDDEN ON WHAT SHE ALREADY MENTIONED, UM, HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY KIND OF VEGETATION ON YOUR SIDE THAT'LL, UM, GROW RAPIDLY? LIKE I, UH, JASMINE, UH, THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF FAST GROWING, UH, PLANTS SUCH AS LEGUM, UM, UH, OH GOSH, I'M BLANKING ON THE OTHER NAMES OF PLANTS.

UM, BUT LAG AUGUST'S PROBABLY A FAST GROWING PLANT THAT'LL PROVIDE YOU A MUCH HIGHER, UH, SCREEN THAN WHAT YOU PROPOSED.

UM, AND THEN, UH, I'M SORRY, I'M BLANKING ON, OH, SOME MOUNTAIN LAURELS.

UH, THOSE WILL ALSO GIVE YOU THE SCREENING YOU NEED.

UM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY KIND OF VEGETATION? YEAH, OPTIONS, DEFINITELY.

UH, ACTUALLY MOUNTAIN LAURELS ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITE.

MY PARENTS HAVE ONE.

THEY GREW UP WITH THAT TREE.

IT SMELLS AWESOME.

UM, HOWEVER THOSE GROW, YOU KNOW, CAN GROW PRETTY, PRETTY LARGE IN, IN CIRCUMFERENCE.

YOU KNOW, THE GENTLEMAN THAT SHE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BRING IN AND OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE TIME, IT'S JUST, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST UNSETTLING PART CONSIDERING I HAVE A FIVE-YEAR-OLD BACK THERE.

UM, SO I HAVE LOOKED INTO SOME OTHER ONES AS WELL, BUT, UM, THE UPKEEP THAT WOULD COME INTO PLACE ON SOME OF THESE THAT WOULD GROW FAST AND PROVIDE THAT PRIVACY, IT'S A LOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, SP SPECIFICALLY THE, THE BAMBOO TYPE OF, UH, PLANNING THOSE, YOU DON'T WANT BAMBOO GET OUT OF CONTROL.

SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM TRYING TO PUT MORE BACK THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A TINY YARD.

IT REALLY IS.

UM, THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY BEHIND MY HOUSE, UH, WHICH IS A VACANT LOT.

UH, I WOULD LOVE TO SOMEDAY PURCHASE THAT.

BUT , UH, FOR RIGHT NOW, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE, THE BEST, UH, YOU KNOW, SOLUTION FOR, FOR SOME PRIVACY.

I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING, DON'T PUT BAMBOO OR IT'LL TAKE OVER THE WHOLE YARD.

YEAH, NO, I WON'T .

BUT, UM, YES, THERE'S, I JUST URGE YOU TO, UM, OR I DID ASK MY QUESTION, UM, IF YOU DID EXPLORE OTHER PLANTS, BUT, UM, THERE ARE SOME RAPIDLY GROWING PLANTS THAT WOULD NOT TAKE UP A LOT OF ROOM AND THAT COULD ACTUALLY STAY PRETTY DARN CLOSE TO WHERE THE, THE FENCE LINE IS.

UM, AND THAT WOULD TAKE MINIMAL, UM, UPKEEP.

HMM.

THANK YOU MR. DAVIS AT THE, I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN TO THE MY LEFT.

YES MA'AM.

I'LL START WITH THE FAR LEFT.

YES MA'AM, GO AHEAD.

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU KIND OF LIKE YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS KIND OF LIKE STARE EACH OTHER DOWN THROUGH THE, THE WINDOWS IF YOU CATCH EACH OTHER.

BUT LIKE DO, ARE THERE ANY LIKE PROBLEMS WITH THE NEIGHBORS OR LIKE, I MEAN, I HAVE LIKE FOUR FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCES.

I WATCH THE SPURS GAMES ON MY, ACROSS THE ALLEY NEIGHBORS TELEVISION.

NO, THAT'S AWESOME.

I WOULD, I WOULD, NO, WE, UH, WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.

UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES IN THE PAST.

UM, THEIR DOGS BROKE INTO MY BACKYARD AND ATTACKED MINE AND ALMOST KILLED THEM.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE'VE BEEN ALL RIGHT.

UM, OTHER THAN NOT TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DISCLOSE TOO MUCH OF HER OWN INFORMATION, BUT

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NO, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS, IS YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I DON'T FIND THIS PARTICULARLY, UM, PROBLEMATIC.

UM, BUT UM, AND, AND I GET THE PROBLEM WITH, UM, THE GREENERY OR TAKING UP YARD SPACE OR, OR PUTTING ANYTHING REALLY WITH ROOTS NEAR YOUR FENCE LINE.

UM, WOULD IT JUST BE, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? IT'S JUST GONNA BE LIKE POSTS THAT ATTACH TO THE FENCE POSTS THAT ARE THERE.

AND THEN SOME SLATS OVER.

SO I MEAN, IN SOME WAYS PRETTY TEMPORARY.

ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? BRIAN? DO I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF.

DOES IT HAVE TO BE JUST FENCING? CAN IT BE LIKE ANYTHING LIKE SCREENING OR DOES IT HA I I DON'T REMEMBER READING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

'CAUSE I WENT BACK TO TO READ AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.

A FREESTANDING SCREEN SET WITHIN THE FENCE LINE WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A FENCE AND WE WOULD NOT APPLY THE FENCE STANDARDS TO THAT.

I'M JUST, THE ONLY REASON IS 'CAUSE I LIVED, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MAKES ME CLAUSTROPHOBIC SO I APOLOGIZE.

MM-HMM UM, AND I HAD TO PUT UP SCREENING, SAME THING WITH THE FENCING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REGULATIONS IS WHERE THAT, I KNOW YOU WANT FENCING AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE YEAH, TWO O'CLOCK PARTIES ANYWAY.

BUT AGAIN, THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DO HAVE TO FOLLOW AND ADDRESSING YOUR CONCERNS, BEING PARENTS, BEING CONTRIBUTING, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

WE DO HEAR YOU.

WE WANNA BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING.

SO AT THIS POINT ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR A MOTION PLEASE.

MADAM CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SIR, AT THIS TIME THE MOTION DOES CARRY, BUT I WOULD URGE YOU TO GO BACK TO STAFF SO WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION FOR YOU SO THAT WE CAN SAFEGUARD YOUR FAMILY.

ALRIGHT.

WHICH YOU ARE HURT, SIR.