* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS JOY MCGEE AND I AM THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT THREE ZONING COMMISSIONER. I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. I'D LIKE [Roll Call] TO DO ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT . DISTRICT SIX, SIR. CAME DISTRICT FOUR, SUMMER GRADE HOUSE DISTRICT ONE, TRISHA GIBBONS, DISTRICT NINE, MARK WHITE, DISTRICT 10, JOHN BUSTAMONTE, DISTRICT FIVE. ROB SIPES, DISTRICT SEVEN, FRANCINE ROMERO, DISTRICT EIGHT. XAVIER TOSEN DISTRICT TWO STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FOR WHICH IT STANDS INDIVISIBLE. ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE START OUR MEETING, UM, STAFF, WOULD YOU PLEASE UH, REVIEW THE MEETING FORMAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE. BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES TO VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST. FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. YOU WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER THAT YOU WERE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT IN OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMIT. YOU WILL HEAR THIS WHEN THERE ARE 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU WILL HEAR ANOTHER BEEP AND I WILL INFORM YOU THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND PRESENT. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU AND FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT'S UH, TWO MINUTES, UH, PER, UH, SPEAKER TODAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'D UM, LIKE TO START OFF [1. 20-1819 (WITHDRAWN) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700005 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-2 CD MLOD-2 MLR-1 AHOD" Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Conditional Use for a Construction Contractor Facility on the west 80 feet of Lot 7, Block 36, NCB 3695, located at 546 Menefee Boulevard. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2020-11600001) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)] WITH, UM, THE CASES THAT HAVE BEEN POSTPONED, WITHDRAWN, OR PULL PLEASE. ITEM NUMBER ONE HAS BEEN ACTUALLY WITHDRAWN. IT IS CASE Z 2 0 2 0 1 705 AT 5 46 MENIFEE BOULEVARD. THIS CASE WILL NOT BE HEARD. THEY WILL HAVE TO REAPPLY IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN REZONING. AND NOW AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE A RUNDOWN OF THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED DOWN FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED FOR INDIVIDUAL ITEM NUMBER 2 3 4 7 8 17 AND 21 AND NUMBER 10. NUMBER 10 IS [00:05:01] PENDING AT THIS TIME. OH, IT'S PENDING. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO LIKE PENDING SO MUCH THAT WE CAN'T DO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE , WE CAN DO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE. WE CAN JUST MOVE THAT TO COMBINED HEARING NUMBER TWO FOR NOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. [Items 5, 9, 11 - 13, 15, 16 & 18 - 20] WELL WE'RE READY FOR COMBINED HEARING. UM, NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL BEGIN WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE. A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR TO I ONE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 9 0 6 SOUTH NAVIDA STREET. THERE WERE 38 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER NINE IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C TWO CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR AND C TWO TO C TWO S A H O D SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A PARTY HOUSE, RECEPTION HALL, AND MEETING FACILITY. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 99 31 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 11, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM C THREE TO R FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 12,000 BLOCK OF SOUTHEAST LOOP FOUR 10. THERE WERE 13 NOTICES MAILED. NONE RECEIVED IN NONE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE VIE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 12 TO REZONE FROM R FOUR AND R FOUR. MC TWO TO R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS AND R FOUR CD MC TWO WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. AND A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THREE DWELLING UNITS AT 1 1 5 CHICAGO BOULEVARD. THERE WERE 20 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM RIVERSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 13 TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO M H C WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 53 42 GW LEE STREET. THERE WERE 29 NO NOTICES. MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM THE SOUTHWEST COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 15 TO REZONE FROM C TWO SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH TO C TWO SS WITH SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A CAR WASH AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AND ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1825 SOUTH WW WHITE ROAD, THERE WERE 16 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM DEL CREST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 16 TO REZONE FROM RMM FOUR TO R TWO. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. AT 7 25 VIRGINIA BOULEVARD THERE WERE 28 NOTICES MAILED NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, ONE RECEIVED AN OPPOSITION AND NO RESPONSE FROM DENVER HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 18 TO REZONE FROM I ONE TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AUTO AND LIGHT TRUCK REPAIR. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AT 2 55 AND 2 59 SOUTH WW WHITE ROAD STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NO TEMPORARY SIGN. SIGNAGE FLAGS, WIND WAIVERS, SNIPE OR PENDANT SIGNS. HOURS OF OPERATION MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, 7:30 AM TO 5:30 PM AND SUNDAY FROM 9:00 AM TO 3:00 PM AND A 30 FOOT TYPE B LANDSCAPE BUFFER ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND LAND USES. THERE WERE 24 NOTICES MAILED, NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 19 TO REZONED FROM R SIX TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR STONE CURING AND WITH OUTSIDE STORAGE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME AT 28 24 SOUTHWEST LOOP FOUR 10 THERE WERE 15 NOTICES MAILED. NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LACHLAN TERRACE. AND FINALLY, ITEM NUMBER 20 TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R FOUR OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 4 9 6 0 JUDSON ROAD. THERE WERE 26 NOTICES MAILED. NONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, [00:10:01] NONE IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS AS STATED ON THE RECORD WHERE APPROPRIATE FOR ITEMS 5 9 11 12 13, 15, 16, 18, 19 AND 22ND. THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. AND MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO. THANK YOU. UH, [6. 20-1899 (Continued from 02/04/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700313 (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-6 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "IDZ-1 AHOD" Low Intensity Airport Hazard Overlay District with uses permitted for two (2) dwelling units on the north 97-feet of Lot A11, and the north 97-feet of the west 5.6-feet of Lot A12, NCB 1720, located at 302 East French Place. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)] COMBINED HEARING ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. YES. AND WE WILL DO THESE INDIVIDUALLY. THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R SIX A H O D TO I D Z ONE A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 3 0 2 EAST FRENCH PLACE. 42 NOTICES MAILED ONE IN FAVOR? NONE IN OPPOSITION. TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, IS REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO MARCH THE THIRD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX SIX TO THE MARCH 3RD, UH, ZONING COMMISSION. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, FOR APPROVAL FOR CONTINUANCE WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO MARCH 3RD. ITEM [14. 20-1817 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700345 CD (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-4 CD AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District with a Conditional Use for a Barber / Beauty Shop on Lot 15, Block 5, NCB 6176, located at 827 Viendo Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)] NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM R FOUR A H O D TO R FOUR C D A H O D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A BARBER AND BEAUTY SHOP. LOCATED AT 8 27 VIENDO STREET. THERE WERE 23 NOTICES MAILED. ONE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, NONE IN OPPOSITION, AND NO RESPONSE FROM LOS ANGELES HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. A CONTINUANCE TO MARCH THE 17TH IS REQUESTED FOR THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE FOR ITEM NUMBER 14 TO THE MARCH 17TH ZONING COMMISSION HEARING. SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF A CONTINUANCE WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO MARCH 17TH. OKAY. MADAM CHAIR, ITEM NUMBER 10 HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED. I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT GOES TO INDIVIDUAL. SOUNDS GREAT. ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. MADAM CHAIR, [5. 20-1634 (Continued from 01/21/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700308 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-1 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 14, Block 1, NCB 6111, located at 906 South Navidad Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)] IF I MAY FOR ONE MINUTE, I MISSED MS. HOFFMAN. MS. HOFFMAN, ARE YOU HERE? SHE WAS SPEAKING, SHE WANTED TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH WAS APPROVED. WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO SPEAK, MA'AM? THANK YOU MS. HOFFMAN. WILL YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE? THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, MY NAME IS ERMA HOFFMAN FROM HISTORIC WESTSIDE WRITTEN ASSOCIATION AND WE WANNA WELCOME MR. JAIME LOPEZ. HE CAME TO OUR, UM, UH, RESIDENT MEETING AND PRESENTED HIS WONDERFUL PLANS. HE AND HIS WIFE AND WE WELCOME YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UH, WE'VE, HE'S ALSO MET THE NEIGHBORS THAT HE'S GOING TO BE LIVING NEXT TO. SO, SO, UM, WE'RE SAID AND HE DID PRESENT THE PLANS TO, UH, MICHAEL BIBE AND UM, AND, UH, HIS APPLICATION IS ACTIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, HE HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. MAY HE SPEAK? IS IT, IT'S IN SUPPORT OF YOUR CASE? YES. IS HE, UH, APPLICANT? [00:15:01] OKAY. YEAH. YES. . HI, THIS IS JAMEL LOPEZ. YEAH. UM, OKAY, MY QUESTION IS, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS FOR THE, THE ADDRESS . WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE IT TO MONTEZUMA. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMETHING POSSIBLE WE CAN THAT'S ON THE APPLICATION. I THINK WE'LL GET WITH, UH, STAFF THE, THE IS ARE YOU HIS CASE MANAGER? DO DO YOU MIND? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SORRY. MM-HMM. OKAY. UM, I MEAN, IS THAT A, IS THAT A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED OR? YEAH. CAN WE TALK TO HIM ONE-ON-ONE? RIGHT. IF YOU COULD GO TAKE HIM, UH, OUTSIDE? YEAH, YEAH, SURE. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. IS THAT ALL MR. LOPEZ? OKAY, THANK YOU. I ASKED FOR YOU EARLIER AND I GUESS YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS. ALRIGHT, ITEM [2. 20-1820 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700310 CD S ERZD (Council District 10): A request for a change in zoning from "C-2 CD S ERZD" Commercial Edwards Recharge Zone District with Conditional Use and Specific Use Authorization for a Laboratory, "C-2 CD S ERZD" Commercial Edwards Recharge Zone District with Conditional Use and Specific Use Authorization for Outdoor Storage and “C-2 ERZD” Commercial Edwards Recharge Zone District to "C-2 CD S ERZD" Commercial Edwards Recharge Zone District with Conditional Use and Specific Use Authorization for Laboratory - Research or Testing on 2.99 acres out of NCB 17338, located at 17115 Redland Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).] NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS PATRICIA FRANCO ZONING. ITEM TWO IS A REQUEST THAT CHANGE OF ZONING FROM C TWO C D S E R Z D CONDITIONAL USE AND SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A LABORATORY AND C TWO C D S E, RZ D WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE AND SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND C TWO E R Z D COMMERCIAL EDWARDS RECHARGE ZONE DISTRICT TWO C TWO C D S E, RZ D COMMERCIAL WITH CONDITIONAL USE AND SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR LABORATORY RESEARCH OR TESTING LOCATED AT 1 7 1 1 5 REDLAND ROAD. EIGHT NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. ZERO RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE SAS REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE SAS REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE. MIKE ESCALANTE WITH SAS FOR PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE FOOD SAFETY NET SERVICES ZONING APPLICATION TO ALLOW A FOOD TESTING, UH, LAB FACILITY AT 1 7 1 1 5 REDLAND ROAD. UH, OUR STAFF VISITED THE EXISTING, UH, LAB FACILITY LOCATED AT 1 9 9 WEST RHAPSODY DRIVE ON MARCH 29TH, 2018. UH, WE MET WITH LAB, UH, REPRESENTATIVES TO OBSERVE THE, UH, THEIR FOOD TESTING OPERATIONS AS WELL AS STORING AND HAND HANDLING OF CHEMICALS. UH, THE IMPERIOUS COVER SHALL NOT EXCEED 60% ON THE 2.99 ACRES BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS SITE OBSERVATIONS. UH, REVIEW OF THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AND THEIR AGREEMENT TO ADHERE TO THE SAWS RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE REPORT, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE NEW LAB FACILITY. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONERS EMILY WEISLER WITH BROWN AND ORTIZ, UH, WHILE 12 EAST PECAN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT. UM, IF I MAY, WE JUST HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO KIND OF BRING EVERYONE UP TO SPEED. UH, THIS SITE SHOULD LOOK FAIRLY FAMILIAR. UM, THIS PART OF THIS SITE, UM, WAS UH, INITIATED FOR A COUNCIL REZONING, UM, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE COMPONENT. UM, AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH, UM, JUST TO RECAP WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE. UM, THIS SITE IS JUST NORTH OF REDLAND AND JONES MALTSBERGER. IT'S 2.99 ACRES, UM, COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED. THERE'S A, A SLAB EXISTING ON THE SITE, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS UNDEVELOPED. UM, THERE IS A LAW OFFICE TO THE NORTH AND REDLAND ROAD, UH, COMMUNITY CHURCH TO THE SOUTH RIGHT ALONG JONES MALTSBERGER. UM, AS STAFF MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE REZONING FROM THREE ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, CONDITIONAL AND SPECIFIC USE FOR THE LAB, CONDITIONAL AND SPECIFIC USE FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND C TWO, UM, ALL TO ALLOW FOR THE CONDITIONAL AND SPECIFIC USE FOR THE LABORATORY. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIALS. IT SHOWS THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE LAB WILL BE. UM, BACK IN 2018 WHEN SAS VISITED THIS SITE THE FIRST TIME, I'M SURE YOU ALL CAUGHT THAT, THAT THEY VISITED IN 2018. [00:20:01] UM, WE DID REZONE A PORTION OF THE OVERALL 15 ACRE TRACK TO ALLOW FOR THE LAB ORIGINALLY. UM, IN LIGHT OF THE COUNCIL INITIATED REZONING FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE WITH THE JUST POTS, THE POTTERY SALES AND DISPLAY AND SOME ONSITE RESTRUCTURING OF WHERE THE LAB FOOTPRINT NEEDED TO BE, WE NEEDED TO REZONE THIS ALMOST THREE ACRE TRACK TO ALLOW FOR JUST THE LAB. UM, THIS MAP WITH ALL OF THE COLORS KIND OF SHOWS THE BREAKDOWN. THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME WE HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE ZONING COMMISSION WITH THIS SITE AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THIS IS THE LAST, UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT EVERYTHING SETTLED. UM, WE LOVE TO BE HERE THOUGH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. UM, BUT THIS SHOWS THE BREAKDOWN, THE AREA IN RED SHOWS WHERE THE LAB WILL BE. UM, IT WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED WHEN WE REZONED THIS THE FIRST TIME, BUT THIS IS WHERE THE LAB WILL BE, UM, IN THE FUTURE. THIS, UM, EXHIBIT WAS SUBMITTED TO SAS TO SHOW THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND IMPERVIOUS COVER. UM, SAS IS RECOMMENDING 60% WITH NO PRORATION. UM, AND WE ARE ABSOLUTELY FINE WITH THAT AND WE'LL ADHERE TO THAT AND OF COURSE AS WELL AS T C Q REGULATIONS FOR THIS SITE. UM, AND LASTLY, UM, WHAT THIS USE IS VERY SPECIFICALLY, UM, FOOD SAFETY NET SERVICES IS A FOOD TESTING FOOD PRODUCT LABORATORY. UM, THE CONDITIONAL AND SPECIFIC USES FOR RESEARCH AND TESTING LAB. UM, THEY SERVE A WHOLE TON OF INDUSTRIES, UM, MOSTLY FOOD RELATED. UM, THEY DO TESTING FOR AMINO ACIDS, WATER SOLUBLE VITAMINS, FATS AND OILS, UM, ALL SORTS OF FOOD AND FOOD BYPRODUCTS, UM, FOR VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS AND CLIENTS. UM, THE LAB COMPANY WAS ESTABLISHED, UM, BY JOHN AND GINA BELLINGER IN 1994. UM, THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, AND THIS NEW SITE WOULD BE ABLE TO TRANSFER SOME OF THEIR MICROBIOLOGICAL TESTING TO THIS NEW SITE THAT THEY HAVE OVER 15 LABS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN CANADA. UM, AND AGAIN, HEADQUARTERED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, BUT THIS REALLY IS NOT TO OVERSIMPLIFY A SIMPLE BUT BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT TO WHERE THE LAB IS GOING TO BE PLACED. UM, WE HAVE MOVED THE OUTDOOR STORAGE COMPONENT ON THIS SITE, UM, AND ARE RESTRUCTURING THIS. THE LOCATION OF THE LAB ITSELF ACTUALLY KIND OF BUFFERS EVERYTHING ALONGSIDE THE ADJACENT USES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS MED CREEK PARK, WHICH IS TO THE WEST. UM, LOOKS LIKE THE BOTTOM OF THIS PICTURE, BUT IT IS THE WEST. UM, SO THIS KIND OF SITUATES IT IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION, UM, FOR BOTH USES ON THE SITE. UM, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT MYSELF IS HERE TO ASK, UM, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALSO, TIM SANTI AND GIL VARGAS WITH OUR PROJECT, UM, ARE HERE IF THERE'S ANY SITE SPECIFIC OR LAB SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO MA'AM. THERE'S NO ONE IN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY, BUT IF NOT, I'M UH, READY TO MAKE A MOTION. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHITE. ALRIGHT, WELL, SAS RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THIS REALLY IS JUST A BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT AND, UH, I THINK ALL THE PARTIES WORK WELL TOGETHER TO, TO GET THIS DONE. SO, UM, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROMERO, APPROVAL OF SA CONDITIONS. YES. YES. APPROVAL WITH SAS CONDITIONS IS THE MOTION. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. AND MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL WITH SOURCE CONDITIONS NINE ZERO. [3. 20-1832 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700029 CD (Council District 1): A request for a change in zoning from “I-1” General Industrial District, “C-2” Commercial District, “MF-33” Multi-Family District, (all overlay districts of “RIO-1” River Improvement Overlay District, “H” River Road Historic Overlay District, “AHOD” Airport Hazard Overlay District remain unchanged) to “O-1” Office District, “C-1” Light Commercial District, “C-1 CD” Light Commercial District with a Conditional Use for a Gas Station, “NC” Neighborhood Commercial District, “C-1 CD” Light Commercial District with a Conditional Use for a Car Wash, “R-4 CD” Residential Single-Family District with a Conditional Use for a Non-Commercial Parking Lot, “R-4 CD” Residential Single-Family District with a Conditional Use for an Apparel & Accessory Store, “R-3” Residential Single-Family District, and “R-4” Residential Single-Family District, (all overlay districts of “RIO-1” River Improvement Overlay District, “H” River Road Historic Overlay District, “AHOD” Airport Hazard Overlay District remain unchanged), on 4.047 acres out of NCB, generally bounded by East Magnolia Avenue to the South, and parcels along the East side of North Saint Mary’s Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Juanita Romero, Senior Planner, (210) 207-7232, juanita.romero@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] [00:25:09] GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MADAM CHAIR, MY NAME IS JUANITA ROMERO AND I'M SENIOR PLANNER WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, LARGE AREA REZONING ITEM NUMBER THREE. THIS IS A CITY INITIATED COUNCIL RESOLUTION, LARGE AREA REZONING FOR RIVER ROAD AND COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE. THIS IS GENERALLY BOUNDED BY EAST MAGNOLIA AVENUE TO THE SOUTH AND PARCELS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH ST. MARY'S. THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE IS FROM I ONE C TWO AND MF 33 2 0 1 C ONE C ONE CD WITH CONDITIONAL USE FOR A GAS STATION NC C ONE CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CAR WASH R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT, R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AN APPAREL AND ACCESSORY STORE. R THREE AND R FOUR. AN INFORMATIONAL COMMUNITY MEETING WAS HELD FOR OWNERS IMPACTED BY THE LARGE AREA REZONING STAFF PRESENTED THE AREA BEING REZONED, THE HISTORY OF THE AREA, THE PROPOSED ZONING CATEGORIES, AND THE TIMELINE TO COMPLETE THE REZONING PROCESS. 55 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. SEVEN WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR AND ONE IN OPPOSITION. SEVEN NOTICES RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND ONE OPPOSITION OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY. THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS LOW AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE COMPONENT OF THE PLAN. THE REQUESTED R THREE R FOUR NC AND OH ONE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE ARLENE FISHER, FOLLOWED BY GEMMA KENNEDY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ARLENE FISHER. I AM THE VICE CHAIR OF THE N RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF ON RALEIGH WOOD. WHO IS THE CHAIR? UH, WE WERE, THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED LARGE AREA REZONING OF PROPERTIES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE CHANGES PROPOSED ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE PROPERTIES CURRENT USES WITHIN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS THE STEWARD OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY THE SAN ANTONIO CITY COUNCIL AS ORDINANCE AS PART OF THE PLAN UPDATE ON MARCH 23RD, 20 2006. IT IS ALWAYS OUR GOAL TO KEEP THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THIS IMPORTANT SAN ANTONIO NEIGHBORHOOD. IN 2017, THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS SUPPORTED, HAS SUPPORTED DISTRICT ONE COUNCILMAN TREVINO'S COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST TO CORRECT THE INCOMPATIBLE ZONING THAT OCCURRED IN THE 2001 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CON CONVERSATION CONVERSION. OUR GOAL OF THE C C R IS TO MAKE ZONING CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT USES OF THIS PROPERTY. ELIMINATE INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN. THANK YOU. GEMMA KENNEDY, FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA PRATT. HI, WELCOME. MY NAME IS GEMMA KENNEDY. I LIVE AT 5 0 9 RIVER ROAD AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. I AM, UH, ON THE BOARD OF THE, OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I'M ALSO ONE OF THE CO-CHAIRS FOR THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. THE PLANNING COMMITTEE OF RIVER ROAD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROACTIVELY, UH, STEWARDING THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, ASSESSING ZONING CHANGES AND THEIR IMPACT ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE HAVE [00:30:01] BEEN CONTINUALLY WORKING WITH DISTRICT ONE SINCE THE FIRST, UH, VENTURE WITH OUR C C R COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. REQUEST TO CON, UH, REALLY TO CORRECT ALL THE INCOMPATIBLE ZONING THAT WAS DONE WITHIN THE 2001 REZONING OF NEIGHBORHOODS ON JANUARY 9TH OF THIS YEAR. UH, WE MET WITH THE LAND USE AND ZONING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, WITH OUR CASE MANAGER, UH, JUANITA ROMERO. AND WE REVIEWED EVERY CHANGE THEY WERE MAKING AND WE FOUND THAT IT WAS REALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ALSO. UM, WE THEN FURTHER HAD THEM COME SPEAK AT OUR, UH, BOARD MEETINGS, AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD MEETINGS. AND AGAIN, HAVING THE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT WAS WELCOME TO ALL MEMBERS IN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO COME AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. AGAIN, I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMITTEE IS IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED REZONING ACTUALLY REALLY WOULD BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE ALL THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE ZONED MF 33 AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. PATRICIA PATCHETT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS PATRICIA PATCHETT. I LIVE AT 7 33 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PLANNING COMMITTEE OF WHICH WE ARE SEVEN NEIGHBORS AND WE ARE IN FAVOR, UNANIMOUSLY IN FAVOR OF THIS, WE PARTICULARLY WANNA THANK COUNCILMAN TREVINO FOR INITIATING THIS ACTION AND THEN THE SUPPORT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED BY FRANCINE AND ALL, EVERYONE IN THE ZONING DEPARTMENT. WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THEY CAME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS AND ALSO HAD A HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING FOR NEIGHBORS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT, WHY IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE COMPATIBLE ZONING WITH THE, IN KEEPING WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. AND THAT ALSO REFLECTS THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT GIVEN THE LOCATION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE, UH, HOW CAN I SAY, THE ENCLAVE NATURE OF IT BEING THIS VERY UNIQUE COMMUNITY OF SMALL BUNGALOWS IN THE HEART OF SAN ANTONIO. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL AGREE WITH US. WE ARE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. CARLOS VIDAL, FOLLOWED BY BILL LEETON. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CARLOS RODRIGUEZ VIDAL AND MY WIFE MARIA SANDOVAL AND I ARE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE RIVER ROAD AREA. AND I ARISE BRIEFLY TO JUST, UH, SUPPORT THE POSITION THAT HAS BEEN ADVANCED TO THIS COMMISSION AND THE, THE COMMISSION AND THE ASSOCIATIONS, UH, POSITION TOO. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE ZONING BE MADE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD LAND USE PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL IN 2006. AND AS INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT AREA, WE SUPPORT THIS, UH, ENDEAVOR AND THE HOPE THAT YOU AGREE TO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU, BILL LEGION, FOLLOWED BY MATT PIPING. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO YIELD MY TIME TO MATT PIPING. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MATT PEPIN. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB. UM, BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB IS REQUESTING AN EXCEPTION TO THE PROPOSED REZONING, UM, BECAUSE THE REZONING WILL TAKE OUT COMPLIANCE. UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BOMBAYS. IT'S BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1973, STARTED AS A BAR. UH, 1988 BECAME A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, ALSO THE SAME YEAR THAT IT PUT OUTDOOR SPEAKERS ON ITS PATIO, WHICH IS THE ISSUE, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING. UM, BOMBAYS IS KIND OF A MAINSTAY OF SAN ANTONIO. IT TRACKS THE FULL SPECTRUM OF OUR COMMUNITY. UH, YOU'LL SEE FAMILIES OF SMALL CHILDREN THERE GOING TO AND FROM THE ZOO. YOU'LL SEE THE SUNDAY RED HAT CLUB THERE. SUNDAY MORNINGS AFTER CHURCH BUSINESS, PEOPLE TAKING LUNCH BREAKS. UH, TRINITY STUDENTS TAKING A STU STUDY BREAK, UM, HAS GREAT FOOD. IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD IT, I WILL PUT ITS HAMBURGER UP AGAINST ANYWHERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, IT'S ALSO GREAT LOCAL BUSINESS. IT SUPPORTS GOOD LOCAL CAUSES. UH, HOST FUNDRAISERS FOR CHARITIES. HAD ONE RECENTLY FOR LEUKEMIA LYMPHOMA SOCIETY, DONATE ALL THE FOOD AND DRINKS FOR A VERY SUCCESSFUL FUNDRAISER. IT SUPPORTS LOCAL SCHOOLS, UH, SUPPORTS TRINITY ATHLETICS AND IT'S, UH, INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. IN FACT, MR. LEIGHTON, WHO, UH, YOU JUST HEARD FROM, UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD'VE INTRODUCED HIM. MR. LEIGHTON IS THE OWNER OF BOMBAYS. UM, HE IS ON THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD AND ALSO SUPPORTS THE REZONING WITH THE EXCEPTION. [00:35:01] UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY ABOUT BOMBAYS. AND WHAT I THINK SETS IT APART IS IT'S, IT TAKES GREAT CARE OF ITS PEOPLE. IT IS IN A RESTAURANT INDUSTRY THAT'S RIFE WITH TURNOVER. IT HAS, UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED THERE 5, 10, 15 YEARS. AND THOSE PEOPLE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE IN IT AND THEY STAY CONNECTED TO IT. UM, I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. I WAS A BROKE COLLEGE KID ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO, AND, UH, MR. BUT LAYTON GAVE ME LARGELY A LIFELINE AT THE TIME. WORKED THERE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS AND HE, WHEN HE USED TO FIND ME CLOSING UP CLEANING THE SHOP AT 2 33 IN THE MORNING, NOW I'M THERE ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY MORNINGS WITH THREE KIDS. THEY GO AND THEY LIKE TO PLANT POTATOES IN THE BACK, PLANTERS ON THE PATIO. UM, SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSION TO TAKE ANY, WE WANT MORE BUSINESSES LIKE BOMBAYS. WE SHOULDN'T PUT IT, UM, INTO NON-COMPLIANCE. IT WILL CREATE CHALLENGES FOR IT IN THE FUTURE AND BE GRANDFATHERED IN RIGHT NOW. BUT IF IT WANTS TO GET REFINANCING OR IF IT NEEDS FINANCING, UM, IF IT NEEDS TO CLOSE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME FOR REMODELING ANYTHING, THOSE WILL CREATE CHALLENGES FOR IT THAT THE CITY SHOULDN'T WANT TO DO. UM, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE BOMBAYS TO INVEST IN SAN ANTONIO. WE WANNA MAKE SURE BOMBAYS HAS BEEN HERE FOR 47 YEARS. WE WANT 'EM HERE FOR ANOTHER 47 YEARS. AND SO WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, THAT TO ENSURE THAT THEY OPERATE WITH NO PROBLEMS GOING FORWARD. THAT, UH, WE'D BE GRANTED AN EXCEPTION. AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO ANSWER IT. I CAN TALK ABOUT BOMBAYS FOR DAYS. LOTS OF GREAT STORIES. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LUCY WILSON. SHE'S THE LAST SIGNED IN. THANK YOU FOR GIVING US ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD TODAY. MY NAME IS LUCY WILSON. I RESIDE AT ONE 30 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. UH, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, I ATTENDED THE MEETING FOR THE COMMUNITY THERE. UH, IT WAS PRESENTED EXCELLENTLY. UH, ALL QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED. UH, MUCH TIME WAS GIVEN FOR INDIVIDUALS TO INSPECT THE MAP. AND UH, SO I FEEL IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD PROCESS AND I SUPPORT, UH, THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. UM, DOES THE CITY NEED TIME TO RESPOND? NO. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. THANKS. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY. THANKS. UM, SO WITH RESPECT TO THE ONE TRACK THAT IS BEING REQUESTED TO BE ACCEPTED FROM THE LARGE AREA REZONING, UM, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE CITY MADE THE DECISION TO RECOMMEND C ONE FOR THAT TRACT? WE INITIALLY, UH, DID OUR RESEARCH AND, UH, WE DID WANT TO GO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE. BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THEM WANTING TO BE EXCLUDED BECAUSE OF THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, THEN WE UNDERSTAND THEIR POSITION AS WELL. AND JUST A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF. UM, SO AS THEY, AS IT CURRENT, AS THEIR CURRENT ZONING STANDS, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THEIR OPERATION AS THEY'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING WITHOUT ANY ISSUES GOING FORWARD. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT, MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON I RIGHT. UM, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? UH, YEAH. TO, TO, UH, STAFF I GUESS? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ON EACH OF THESE TRACKS THAT YOU WANNA MAKE A ZONING CHANGE TOO, ALL OF THOSE LANDOWNERS WERE NOTIFIED, CORRECT? YES MA'AM. THEY WERE. AND HOW MANY OF THEM RESPONDED TO THE CHANGE? UM, WE HAD THE INITIAL, UH, INFORMATIONAL, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING AND I'D SAY IT MAY BE AT LEAST 40 OF THE RESIDENTS WERE THERE OR REPRESENTATIVES WERE THERE. THE PEOPLE SIGNED IN. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT UP A NOTICE THAT THERE WERE ZONING CHANGES, WAS A NOTICE PUT AT EACH PARCEL OR JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT LITTLE YELLOW SIGN? THE YELLOW SIGN WAS PUT NOT AT EACH PARCEL. IT WAS AT, UH, ST. MARY'S AND, UH, MULBERRY AND THEN ONE THAT WAS FURTHER DOWN, UH, BY, UH, ALSO MULBERRY AND 2 81. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE REASONING THAT THERE WERE NOT SIGNS PUT AT EACH PARCEL FOR NOTIFICATION TO THE 200 RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT AREA? OKAY, WELL THERE'S ONLY, THERE AREN'T 200, UH, RESIDENTS AFFECTED BY IT. THE NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT OUT TO PEOPLE WITH 200 FEET WITHIN THE ZONED AREA. AND IT'S PRETTY [00:40:01] STANDARD OR NOT. IT'S STANDARD TO HAVE A SIGNAGE AT THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS AND, UH, IN A HIGH VISIBILITY AREAS. THAT WAY IF ANYONE WANTS TO CALL THE NUMBER ON THERE, THEY CAN CALL TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE CASE ON THE PARCEL. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS, IS, UH, THE BOMBAY PARCEL, WAS THERE ANY OTHER PARCELS THAT ASKED TO BE, UM, OFF THE LIST THAT NOTIFIED YOU? UM, NO MA'AM. THIS WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE BOMBAY PARCEL. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ZONED, UH, INDUSTRIAL I ONE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IF THE BOMBAY DECIDES TO MAKE ANY CHANGE ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY NEED A NEW DRIVEWAY, THEY NEED A NEW LIGHTING, THEY NEED A FENCING, THAT THEN PUTS THEM OUT OF CONFORMANCE OR THEY'RE OUT CONFORMANCE IF THEY EXPAND THE USE, YES. IF THEY EXPAND THE USE, THEN THEY ARE OUT OF CONFORMANCE AND THEY'LL HAVE TO REZONE. OKAY. COULD I TALK TO THE BOMB, THE BOMBAY OWNER, IF CHANGING THE ZONING FROM AN I ONE TO A C ONE, DOES THAT CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR YOUR BUSINESS? NOT AS I PRESENTLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, NOT AS I PRESENTLY OPERATE, AS YOU PRESENTLY OPERATE AS AN I ONE, BUT IF YOU EXPAND IN ANY WAY, YOU'RE OUTTA CONFORMANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE TECHNICALLY A C ONE IF THIS PASSES TODAY. SO YOU CAN'T OPERATE REALLY AS AN I ONE YOU ON PAPER, YOU'RE AN I ONE, BUT YOU CAN'T OPERATE AS I ONE. WOULD THAT BE A HARDSHIP TO YOUR BUSINESS? IT APPEARS THAT IT MIGHT BE GOING FORWARD. 'CAUSE I ONE RIGHT NOW ALLOWS YOU SOME BACKYARD STORAGE, A C ONE WOULD NOT IS SO WOULD THAT BE A HARDSHIP TO YOU? THAT WOULD NOT BE A, THAT WOULD NOT BE A HARDSHIP. SO, SO A C ONE THEN, BECAUSE YOU CAME FORWARD AND ASKING TO BE OFF THE LIST AND REMAIN AS AN INDUSTRIAL ONE, BUT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE COMMERCIAL ONE IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE? ACTUALLY, NOT SURE ABOUT THE ANSWER TO THAT. OUR CONCERN IS, UH, IF WE ARE REZONED THAT WE WILL BE OUT OF, WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, WE'D BE NON-COMPLIANT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS ON THE PATIO. OKAY. SO HAVE YOU TALKED TO STAFF SO YOU HAVE A BETTER CLARIFICATION WHAT THAT MEANS OUTTA CONFORMANCE BECAUSE AN INDUSTRIAL IS A PRETTY PREFERRED, THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF, UH, THAT GIVES YOU A LOT OF BOUNDARIES OR NOT BOUNDARIES. SO AS PER THE COMMERCIAL. SO HAVE YOU TALKED TO STAFF TO CLARIFY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR YOU? UH, I'VE HAD ONE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING WITH, UM, KAT HERNANDEZ, I BELIEVE. UM, AND THAT WAS WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE HEARING. SO WE'RE KIND OF HERE ON SHORT NOTICE. DID YOU RECEIVE A NOTICE? UH, WE SAW THE NOTICE AT THE, AT THE UM, AT THE, YEAH, AT THE POSTING. SO I, I, BY HERE AT SHORT NOTICE, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A HEARING. TAKE ME PERSONALLY. OKAY. BUT MR. OWNER, YOU DID RECEIVE A NOTICE BY MAIL? I DID NOT RECEIVE. I DO NOT. I OPERATE, I OWN THE BOMBAY BICYCLE. I OWN THE BUSINESS AND I'M HERE AS THE AGENT OF THE, OF THE LANDOWNER. RIGHT. UM, SO HE, SO I CAN'T SPEAK. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, SO YOU WERE NOT GIVEN CLARITY AS TO THE DIFFERENCE OF THE COMMERCIAL AND THE INDUSTRIAL AND WHAT THAT OUT OF CONFORMANCE WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT CHANGES TODAY TO COMMERCIAL FROM INDUSTRIALS. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THEY WERE, UH, KAT SPOKE TO THEM THIS MORNING AND EXPLAINED THAT IF THEY, I WAS TALKING TO THE, UM, CLIENT HERE. YES. I I'D LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY FOR A MOMENT. DO THAT QUESTION AFTER HE ANSWERS. SURE. ALRIGHT. WE SPOKE THIS MORNING. WE, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF WE ARE REZONED, WE'LL BE NON-COMPLIANT BECAUSE OF THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING NOW. SO I'M JUST WONDERING THE DEPTH AND THE BREADTH OF NON-CONFORMANCE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. OUR, SO OUR UNDERSTANDING IS IF FOR INSTANCE, THE BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB MEANS GET FINANCING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE COUNTERED. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY'LL NOT BE IN CONFORMANCE ANYMORE. UM, THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING IN CONFORMANCE SINCE 1973. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PRESENT, UM, INTENTIONS OF BOMBAYS TO EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT TO CHANGE THE PARKING. IT'S KIND OF LANDLOCKED IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. UM, SO IT'S OUR PREFERENCE JUST TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT, UM, ZONING DESIGNATION IT HAS AND JUST KEEP OPERATING AS IT HAS. OKAY. THEN LET ME ASK STAFF. IF BOMBAY WERE TO SELL THEIR BUSINESS, THEN THAT BUSINESS HAS TO BE IN THE CONFORMANCE OF A C ONE AND NOT AN I ONE TODAY THEY'LL OPERATE I ONE, BUT ONCE THEY SELL IT, YOU'RE NOT SELLING IT UNDER THE DESIGNATION OF INDUSTRIAL, YOU'RE [00:45:01] SELLING UNDER THE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL. IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN THEY SELL IT UNDER THE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, INDUSTRIAL, THEY CAN HAVE THE USE THAT IS ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL, UH, WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS PER THE C C R WAS FOR US TO TRY TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND USE IN THE AREA. THE LAND USE IN THE AREA IS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. SO THE HIGHEST RECOMMENDATION WE CAN HAVE FOR THAT PROPERTY UNDER THAT BASIS IS A C ONE. IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT THAT DOES MAKE THEM NON-CONFORMING. IT DOES CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THEIR OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. AND SO AS A RESULT, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS STAFF, THEY WANT TO BE EXCLUDED FROM THE REZONING REQUEST SO THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE I ONE AND THEN TO STAFF. HOW MANY OTHER PARCELS DID YOU GIVE THAT OPTION OF EXCLUDING THEMSELVES FROM THIS CASE TODAY? IT'S NOT, UH, NECESSARILY A STAFF, UH, EXCLUSIONARY PROCESS. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT'S A CITY COUNCIL REQUEST FROM COUNCILMAN TREVINO'S OFFICE. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, WHEN THEY SPEAK TO NOT ONLY US BUT THE STAFF FROM COUN, THE COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE, UH, THEY WERE LET, THEY DID HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT BE PART OF THE REZONING PROCESS IF THAT IS WHAT THEY SOW WISH TO DO. BUT WHEN THEY FIRST DEVELOPED THE CCRS, THE REASON THEY DID SO WAS BECAUSE THEY HA HAD A HIGH, UM, PERCENTAGE OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO SUPPORTED THE REZONING. OKAY. AND THEN TO STAFF. THANK YOU SIR. UM, ON SOME OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY MF 33 ON, WE SAT ON TRAIL ARE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, BARE APPRAISAL MAP THAT WAS PRESENTED. ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE CURRENTLY MF THREE, ARE THOSE MULTIFAMILY OR ARE THOSE RESIDENTIAL THAT THE ONES THAT ARE MF 33 TO GO DOWN TO R FOUR, R THREE ON WE, LET'S TAKE RESEARCH FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE I'M NOT, I CAN'T TELL FROM A LITTLE DRAWING, BUT COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT'S THERE? MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED WITH THE MF THE MULTIFAMILY ARE, ARE CURRENTLY RESIDENTIAL USE. SO THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THERE? YES MA'AM. THEY ARE. ARE THERE ANY OF THESE PARCELS THAT ARE, YOU'RE CHANGING THE DESIGNATION ACTUALLY ACTUALLY OPERATING UNDER THE CURRENT DESIGNATION THAT THERE ARE, ARE ANY OF THESE THAT ARE MF 33 ACTUAL MULTI-FAMILIES? NO, MA'AM. OKAY, SO THEY'RE ALL HOMES. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN HOW ABOUT, UH, THE PARCEL AT THE FARTHEST END OF NORTH ST. MARY'S? I GUESS IT'D BE NEXT TO THE BOMBAY. THERE ARE ALSO TWO OTHERS THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL THAT YOU, YOU ARE DESIGNATING C ONE AND C ONE ARE, HAVE YOU HEARD FROM THOSE TWO PARCELS? NO MA'AM. I DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM THEM. DID THOSE TWO PARCELS RECEIVE A NOTIFICATION? AND THEY DID. OF COURSE, THEY'RE NOT CERTIFIED, SO WE NEVER KNOW IF THEY GOT 'EM. UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY MAILS THAT WAS RETURNED. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. UM, SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE BUSINESSES? THAT'S AT ST. MARY'S AND EAST MULBERRY? UH, THE ONES AT THE VERY CORNER WERE EXCLUDED FROM THIS PROJECT. THE ONE NEXT, UH, BEHIND THE BOMBAY IS A GAS STATION, WHICH IS THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THE ONE FURTHEST NORTH IS THE, UH, OFFICE BUILDING. OKAY. SO THAT'S AL IT'S OPERATED AT OFFICE? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UH, THIS IS FOR MR. LEIGHTON AND MATT, UH, IF I COULD, SO FROM YOUR PREVIOUS ANSWER, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE A LESSEE, UH, OF THAT PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WHAT IS THE CURRENT TERM OF YOUR LEASE? I BELIEVE THERE'S SIX MORE YEARS ON IT WITH, WITH AN OPTION FOR RENEWAL AT THAT POINT. OKAY. ANYTHING AT THIS POINT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PREVENT YOU FROM RENEWING THAT LEASE? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. UM, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT I'M PASSING DOWN TO MY DAUGHTER, SO IT'S, I'M NOT FOR SALE. ANY FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THANK YOU, SIR. WONDERFUL. UM, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YEAH, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. JUST A CLARIFICATION. SO AS THE BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY OPERATING UNDER I ONE, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE IN CONFORMANCE UNDER I ONE AS A RESTAURANT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, UM, IS IT, DOES IT HAVE TO BE I ONE OR WOULD IT BE, UM, SO WITH IT AS A RESTAURANT WITH THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS, IF I CAME TO APPLY FOR ZONING, WHAT ZONING WOULD IT BE? I ONE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST? OR WOULD IT BE SOME TYPE OF COMMERCIAL? I [00:50:01] KNOW IT SEEMS UNUSUAL, BUT YES, RESTAURANTS ARE ALLOWED IN THE I ONE DISTRICT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LOWEST BASE. OH, THE LOWEST. THEY COULD DO A C THREE OR A C TWO CD, BUT THEY COULDN'T UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE. SO THEY WOULD NEED A PLAN AMENDMENT AND THEN THE APPROPRIATE ZONE ZONING DESIGNATION. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. UM, GREATHOUSE, THANK YOU. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS TO CITY STAFF FOR, UM, ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON ALL OF THE LARGE AREA REZONINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, INCLUDING THIS ONE. UM, AND THANK YOU TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR COMING OUT AND FOR ALSO SUPPORTING AND WORKING WITH THE CITY STAFF ON THIS. I KNOW THESE CAN BE REALLY, UM, DIFFICULT TO WORK THROUGH SOMETIMES, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR EFFORTS. UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER THREE, REMOVING THE TRACK. THAT HAT CURRENTLY HAS BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB OPERATING ON IT. UM, SO THE REASONS WHY, UM, I, I'M MAKING THIS MOTION. UM, I SUPPORT 100% CORRECTING THE CONVERSION ERRORS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ALL OVER OUR LEGACY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE CREATED HARDSHIPS ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. AND ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN SAN ANTONIO. I THINK THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE GO BACK AND WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, REZONING IN A WAY THAT REFLECTS THE CURRENT LAND USE. THAT'S ALSO WHY I'M RECOMMENDING REMOVING THE TRACK THAT HAS BOMBAY BASCO CLUB CURRENTLY OPERATING ON IT. UM, COUNCILMAN TREVINO'S, UM, C C R SAYS THE PURPOSE WAS TO REZONE THE PROPERTIES WITH PLAN AMENDMENTS WHERE NECESSARY, UM, IN COLLABORATION WITH OWNERS AND THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE ZONING CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT USES OF THE PROPERTY. UM, GOING TO C ONE, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST DESIGNATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED BY THE PLAN, UM, IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE CURRENT LAND USE OF THIS PARTICULAR TRACT. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THE C C R THAT WAS ISSUED BY COUNCILMAN TREVINO WAS TO CHANGE EXISTING USES OF PROPERTIES NOR TO CREATE UNDUE HARDSHIPS ON PROPERTY OWNERS. UM, AND BY UNDUE HARDSHIP, I DON'T MEAN SPECULATIVE SPECULATIVE PLANS OR, UM, THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN ONE DAY OR EVEN JUST A SPECULATIVE LOSS IN VALUE TO PROPERTY. BUT ACTUALLY HERE WE HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 1973, UM, IN AN AREA THAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR A RESTAURANT THAT SERVES ALCOHOL WITH OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. IT'S LOCATED NEXT TO HIGH RISE OFFICE, NEXT DOOR TO A GAS STATION AND A DRIVING RANGE. THERE ARE NO IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD HAVE, UM, ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS FROM THIS. UM, NOR HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS REGISTERED AS A RESULT OF THAT. SO THAT IS MY REASON FOR THE EXCLUSION OF THIS PARTICULAR TRACT. SECOND, THE MOTION. OKAY, WE HAVE A, UH, A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THE, UM, BOMBAY PROPERTY WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, JUST REALLY BRIEFLY, UM, SEEMS LIKE IT'S ODD TO TRY TO CORRECT SOMETHING AND THEN END UP WITH A NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY THAT, THAT'S USE PRE-EXISTS ME . UM, AND SO, UH, THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION AND THAT'S WHY WE'LL DO SO. THANK YOU . UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, COMMENT, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOLSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES. 10 TO ZERO FOR APPROVAL AND THE REMOVAL OF THE BOMBAY BIKE CLUB. GOOD AFTERNOON [4. 20-1890 (Continued from 02/04/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700020 HL (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "C-3NA MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to "C-3NA HL MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD" General Commercial Nonalcoholic Sales Historic Landmark Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 1, Block 1, NCB 6230, located at 4007 South Flores Street. Staff recommends Approval. (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, Mercedes.Rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] COMMISSIONERS. ITEM FOUR IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C THREE NA HMM TWO C THREE HHL 35 NOTICES [00:55:01] WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ZERO IN OPPOSITION. AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. BUT MISSION SAN JOSE SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. O H P HAS ALSO PREPARED A PRESENTATION FOR THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE CITY? UH, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I'M JESSICA ANDERSON WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UM, THIS CASE ASK ASKS THE ZONING COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE CITY COUNCIL'S RESOLUTION TO INITIATE DESIGNATION OF THE TODOS BUILDING LOCATED AT 4,007 SOUTH FLORES STAFF WAS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL LAST MONTH TO INITIATE THIS ZONING CHANGE THE STRUCTURE AT 4,007. SOUTH FLORES IS A TWO STORY SPANISH ECLECTIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING CONSTRUCTED IN 1926 WITH AN ADDITION IN 1941 FOR AC TO-DOS. IT'S LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT THREE. THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY WAS NO NOTED IN 2017 WHEN THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED CLOSURE OF TO-DO STREET, WHICH RUNS IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT STRUCTURE. O H P STAFF PROVIDED FEEDBACK AT THAT TIME, WHICH EXPLICITLY IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY AS AN ELIGIBLE LANDMARK STAFF REACHED OUT TO THE CURRENT OWNER IN 2018 AFTER RESU, AFTER REVIEWING A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FOR THE PARCEL TO THE SOUTH, WHICH IS ALSO OWNED OR MANAGED BY THE SAME FIRM TO SHARE CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIAL DEMOLITIONS RELATED TO THEIR LARGER PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDED THE TO-DOS BUILDING STAFF DISCUSSED ELIGIBILITY AND DESIGNATION STATUS OF THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME IN JULY, 2019. O H P STAFF IN OUR VACANT BUILDINGS PROGRAM CORRESPONDED WITH THE OWNER AND IT'S IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. WE PROVIDED A FORMAL DETERMINATION OF ELIGIBILITY FOR THE TO-DOS BUILDING. THE REQUEST FOR A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WAS HEARD BY THE H D R C ON NOVEMBER 6TH. THEY AGREED WITH STAFF THAT THE STRUCTURE'S ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO BEGIN THE REZONING PROCESS TO DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY ON JANUARY 16TH. H D R C HEARD THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON FEBRUARY 5TH AND AGREED WITH THEIR FINDING OF ELIGIBILITY. UM, H D R C EVALUATED THE PROPERTY FOR ELIGIBILITY AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS FOUR CRITERIA UNDER U D C 35 6 0 7 B. UM, SO THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS CASE. WE REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE AT THE FEBRUARY 4TH HEARING, UM, IN ORDER TO BRING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE H D R C. AND AS I MENTIONED, H D R C RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE DESIGNATION AT THEIR HEARING ON FEBRUARY 5TH. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'RE HERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CASE. THANK YOU. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE IAN COCHRAN, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL SPE. MICHAEL SPE, MARK GRANADOS. HE'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET. UH, WE WERE UP HERE ONCE BEFORE AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS. I WAS VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THIS IS DISGUISED DOWN ZONING CASE. COUNCILMAN VERON, UH, WANTED ME TO ZONE THIS C TWO AS PART OF ANOTHER ZONING CASE. I INFORMED HER THEY'RE OWNED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WE CAN'T DO THAT. SHE DOESN'T WANT A CAR WASH HERE. SHE MADE IT VERY CLEAR. THIS IS ABOUT NOT HAVING A CAR WASH. SINCE THIS COMMITTEE IS ABOUT USE, WE SHOULD FOCUS ON USE. EVEN IF YOU JUST DESIGNATED HISTORIC, I CAN STILL BUILD A CAR WASH ON THE PROPERTY. YOU DON'T TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY. SO WHAT'S HAPPENED SUBSEQUENT TO THAT IS VERY DISTURBING. COUNCIL ONE VIA GRANT MADE A PUBLIC STATEMENT. MY RESIDENTS HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR. WE'VE SEEN ANOTHER AREAS OF DISTRICT TREE. HOW SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE VE OPPOSED TO 24 HOUR CAR WASHES. NOT ONE PERSON GOT HERE TO OPPOSE IT. THAT'S A NEW DEFINITION OF VIETNAMESE. OPPOSED, SHE MAKES REFERENCE TO CAR WASH IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE OWN FIVE CAR WASHES THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO HOMES. AND YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP. NOT A SINGLE COMPLAINT CRIMINAL ANYTHING. SO THERE'S MORE TO THIS AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE USE OF THE CAR WASH. UM, WE MADE AN OFFER A COMPROMISE. WE SHARED WITH HER THAT WE WOULD LET THE BUILDING BE DEEMED HISTORIC IN EXCHANGE FOR HAVING A LIKE AMOUNT OF, OF LAND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ZONE C THREE AND A FOR THE [01:00:01] CAR WASH. HE DENIED IT. BUT WHAT'S DISTURBING IS HE SAYS THAT NEVER HAPPENED. THE ART. UM, BERNARD HAS MADE A SUGGESTION TO TRADE HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR ZONING ON ANOTHER PARCEL DURING THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. SAID, BUT HE DIDN'T SPEAK TO ME OR MY STAFF ABOUT A COMPROMISE. WE SPOKE DIRECTLY WITH ROD SANCHEZ. ALL THESE STAFF MEMBERS HERE WORK FOR ROD. ROD VISITED WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN PERSONALLY AND SHE SAID NO. SO FOR HER TO SAY WE DIDN'T OFFER THE COMPROMISE IS NOT ACCURATE. SO THIS IS, THIS ISN'T ABOUT HISTORIC AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. BUT SINCE THIS HAS STARTED, HISTORIC HAS, HAS LAUNCHED A CAMPAIGN AGAINST ME. THEY DESIGNATED THIS BUILDING AND ANOTHER BUILDING THAT ARE BOTH SUBJECT TO THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION AS VACANT BUILDINGS AND ARE THREATENED TO FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST ME BECAUSE I WON'T CHANGE THE BUILDINGS. I CAN'T TOUCH THEM BECAUSE OF THE INTERIM CONTROLS THEY SAID THEY PUT ON ME. BUT IT GOES EVEN WORSE THAN THAT. IS THERE A COMMISSION FROM DISTRICT TWO HERE AT THE COURT OF NEWPORT AND NEW BRAUNFELS? HEY, WE'RE NOT GONNA ASK QUESTIONS, THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT HE HE CAN ASK YOU QUESTION. I DUNNO WHO, WHO DISTRICT TWO IS, I'M SORRY. BUT AT THE CORNER OF DIS UH, NEWPORT AND NEW BRAUNFELS, WE RESTORED A BUILDING, BEAUTIFUL REHAB. IT HAS TWO TENANTS, A LAUNDROMAT STORE. HISTORIC HAS FILED CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST ME SAYING IT'S VACANT AND WE REFUSE TO REGISTER A VACANT BUILDING EVEN THOUGH I HAVE TENANTS IN THE CO. SO THIS IS A PATTERN OF HARASSMENT. OKAY. AND I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT IF SHE WANTS, IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DOWN ZONE THE BUILDING TO C TWO, SHE SHOULD BRING A DOWN ZONING CASE. SHE SHOULDN'T BRING, YOU KNOW, A MADE UP HISTORIC CASE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH HER INTENDED GOAL. I STILL BY RIGHT? CAN DO A CAR WASH. SHE'S TRYING TO PREVENT ME FROM DOING THAT BY SAYING I CAN'T DEMO THE BUILDING. I CAN DEMO THE BUILDING. I HAVE THAT RIGHT. I HAVE THAT RIGHT UNDER TWO PROVISIONS. A VERY NICE LADY LAST TIME BROUGHT UP THAT I COULD GET OFF PREMISE PARKING WITHIN 600 FEET. THIS IS 600 FEET AROUND THE PROPERTY. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR OFF-PREMISE PARKING, SO I CAN'T GET IT. THE ONE PARCEL RIGHT HERE HAS SIGNED A DEEDED RESTRICTION AND RECORDED IT NOT ALLOWING ANY CROSS PARKING BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE CITY DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO TELL 'EM WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR BUILDING PERMIT IF YOU LET THE OTHER GUY PARK ON IT, WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY'VE BEEN DOING CONTINUALLY. THEY WANT TO USE LADING AND PERMITTING TO FORCE YOU TO SOLVE OTHER PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS WE CAN VERY SIMPLY DONATE THE PROPERTY TO A CHURCH. THE CHURCH CAN DEMO IT AND I CAN BUY IT BACK. THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER SECTION 1121 OF THE TAX CODE. HISTORICAL WILL TELL YOU IT'S NOT ALLOWED. IT'S FUNNY, CITY ATTORNEY AGREES WITH ME THAT I CAN DO IT. OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING. THIS IS LIKE A, A TRIAL RIGHT HERE, Y'ALL OF THE JURY. STAFF HISTORIC IS A PROSECUTOR. I'M THE DEFENDANT. THE PROSECUTOR HAS ACCUSED ME AND SAID, I'M GUILTY OF OWNING A HISTORIC BUILDING. I HAVE TO PROVE AS THE OWNER THAT IT'S NOT HISTORIC. I'M GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. THAT GOES AGAINST THE WHOLE BASIS OF OUR JUDICIAL UNDER BOTH CRIMINAL AND CIVIL PROCEDURE. SO I'M HERE TO PROVE MYSELF INNOCENT. THE BUILDING IS NOT HISTORIC. WHEN YOU'RE IN TRIAL, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANNA DO IS ESTABLISH YOUR EXPERT WITNESSES AND THEIR CREDIBILITY. SO I HAVE A LETTER FROM MARK NEVILLE WHO IS AN A I A REGISTERED ARCHITECT WHO SAYS NONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY IS CLAIMING OR HISTORIC ARE IN FACT HISTORIC. 30 SECONDS. OKAY. THIS IS FANTASY ECLECTIC. THIS IS FANTASY ECLECTIC. THIS BUILDING LOOKS NOTHING LIKE IT. THE OTHER THING I NEED TO, THEY NEED TO PROVE THREE OF THEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE CLAIMING IS SINCE THE BUILDING HASN'T MOVED, IT'S MAKE, MAKES IT UNIQUE. THE DEFINITION OF UNIQUE IS VERY CLEAR, BEING APPLIED TO ONLY ONE OF ITS KIND UNLIKE ANYTHING ELSE. NO OTHER BUILDINGS IN THIS TOWN HAVE MOVED. SO HOW CAN IT BE UNIQUE IF THAT DEFINITION FITS EVERY OTHER BUILDING IN TOWN? THAT'S YOUR TIME, SIR. SIX MINUTES. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT I GOT MINE. UM, WE'RE TWO MINUTES TODAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THE CITY? LIKE TIME TO RESPOND? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, THIS IS ALWAYS THAT, THAT, [01:05:02] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A DISTRICT, UH, THREE CASE. UM, UM, MS. ANDERSON, I CAN, CAN RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, SHANNON RE REMIND ME YOUR LAST NAME. I'M SORRY. MILLER. OH WHAT? SHANNON MILLER. MILLER. MILLER. MS. MILLER, THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, SO, UM, SO TELL ME WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER TWO SE UH, 2017, UM, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE, THAT THE PROPERTY WAS NOTIFIED IN WRITING THAT THERE WAS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. IT WAS THE PREVIOUS OWNER. OKAY. AND WAS THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER BUILDINGS OR WAS THIS JUST BY ITSELF? UM, NO, IT WAS CONCERNED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS BUILDING, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS A REQUEST, UM, TO CLOSE THE ADJACENT STREET. AND SO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, STAFF LOOKS AT ADJACENT BUILDINGS AND IDENTIFIES ANY THAT MIGHT BE OF CONCERN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, THE, THE PAST, THE IMMEDIATE PAST OWNER WAS NOTIFIED THEN. AND SO, UH, TELL ME AGAIN WHAT HAPPENED IN AUGUST, UH, 2018? UM, SO IN 2018 IS WHEN THERE WAS INITIAL CONTACT WITH THE CURRENT OWNER, UM, BY STAFF FOR BASICALLY SIMILAR LEVEL OF INFORMATION THAT THERE WAS. WE, WE KNEW THAT THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN REZONING THE PROPERTY, AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OWNER WAS AWARE THAT THERE, UM, WAS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IN THERE. THERE COULD BE, UM, IT COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION. OKAY. AND THE CURRENT OWNER SAYS THAT, UM, THEY ARE BEING, UH, THREATENED AND HAS, HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE VACANT, UH, BUILDING. UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN? SURE. UM, AT THE END OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR, UH, THE NOTICES GO OUT FOR ALL VACANT BUILDINGS FOR ANNUAL. THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM REQUIRES THE ANNUAL NOTICES. UM, SO THERE WERE ALL NOTICES CITYWIDE, WELL, WELL, THE PROGRAM AREA WIDE, IT'S NOT EXACTLY A CITYWIDE PROGRAM, UM, WENT OUT IN DECEMBER. AND SO THE, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER RECEIVED NOTICES FOR, FOR OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALSO, THAT HAD BEEN SURVEYED AND, AND UNDERSTOOD TO BE VACANT. AND HE MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE CRIMINAL, UM, CASES FILED. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE CASE. THE, THE NOTICE THAT GOES OUT IS TO REQUIRE TO REGISTER. NOW, OF COURSE, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH A VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, MINOS CASES CAN BE FILED. BUT, UM, CASES HAVEN'T CURRENTLY BEEN FILED RELATED TO THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM. AND, UM, OH, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY, UM, THIS BUILDING, UM, IS BEING DESIGNATED, UM, HISTORIC? I THINK Y'ALL LISTED FOUR REASONS. UM, THAT SLIDE WENT BY REALLY FAST, BUT, UM, CAN YOU TALK TO SURE. UM, THE U D C REQUIRES THREE OF 16 CRITERIA IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. AND THE STAFF, UM, FOUND THAT IT MET FOUR OF THE 16 H D R C CONCURRED THAT IT MET THE FOUR, THE SAME FOUR OF THE 16 CRITERIA. UM, AND THE CITY COUNCIL THEN, BASED ON THAT, VOTED TO INITIATE THE DESIGNATION CASE CASE. AND SO, UM, IT, IT WAS FOUND TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BECOME A HISTORIC LANDMARK. OKAY. AND, UM, SO FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, SO, UM, UH, MR. GRANADO SAYS THAT, UM, HE COULD STILL PUT A CAR WASH THERE. IS THERE A REASON, LIKE IS IT THE WHOLE, UH, LAND OR IS IT THE PROPERTY AND THE IMMEDIATE FOOTPRINT LAND OR THE ENTIRE, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, UH, PREVENTS HIM FROM, UM, WITHOUT, I GUESS HE WOULD HAVE TO GET HISTORIC REVIEW, RIGHT? THE PROPERTY WOULD BE DESIGNATED AND SO WHATEVER WAS DONE WOULD GO THROUGH WITH THE H D R C DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. BUT MR. GRANADOS IS CORRECT IN THAT HISTORIC DESIGNATION DOESN'T DICTATE USE. AND SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE A, A SEPARATE DETERMINATION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE BASED ON THE DESIGN PARAMETERS THAT, UM, THE SITE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. OKAY. BUT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING BASICALLY. UM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT IS THE INTENT OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS, IS TO PROTECT THE PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY ARE, UM, CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT. NOW, THERE IS A PATHWAY IN THE U D C FOR DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS. SO IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, UM, AN OWNER WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO DOCUMENT, UM, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR FAILING THAT ALLOW A LA A LOSS OF THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE THAT COUNCIL, UM, APPROVED INITIALLY. SO IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE, BUT IT, IT OBVIOUSLY IS NOT THE INTENT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND, UM, I'M GONNA, YEAH, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER THE QUESTIONS. JUST A SECOND. UM, OKAY. MR. GRANADOS, PLEASE. UM, CAN YOU PUT THE, UH, PROPERTY, UH, ON THE, THE MAP, SO [01:10:01] WE CAN SEE THE OUTLINE PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO MR. GRANADOS, UM, I GUESS, UM, I GUESS YOU COULD USE THE OUTLINE. SO YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO, UM, STILL PUT THE CAR WASH ON THERE ANYWAY, SO I, I'M, I GUESS YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH HISTORIC REVIEW, BUT WHERE, SO ARE WHAT PART OF THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK THERE, OR, UM, THERE'S A LASER POINTER THERE. IF YOU WERE, UH, NO, I WOULD SIMPLY DEMO THE BUILDING. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IS PROVE ECONOMIC IMPAIRMENT. MM-HMM. , I HAVE 11 PARKING SPACES FOR 21,000 SQUARE FEET. BY LAW, BY EVERY CITY STATUTE. I CANNOT GET A BUILDING PERMIT BECAUSE I CANNOT PARK BY OCCUPANTS. OKAY. THE DISCUSSION ABOUT OFF-PREMISE PARKING IS WELL GO PARK YOUR CARS ELSEWHERE AND THAT'S A 600 FOOT RULE. I SHOWED YOU THE 600 FOOT MAP, AND THERE IS NO PROPERTY TO PUT PARKING ON. SECONDLY, THE BUILDING WILL NEVER BE A D A COMPLIANT UNDER ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION. THE A D A CODE IS A FEDERAL, NOT STATE CODE. IT SUPERSEDES EVERYBODY. WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A CONTINUOUS CURVE ALONG WITH PLEASANTON FLORES. THE CITY WILL TAKE THAT AWAY. I'LL BE DOWN TO TWO PARKING SPACES FOR 21,000 SQUARE FEET. SO CAN YOU IMAGINE THE OUTCRY FROM THE COMMUNITY WHEN I START DUMPING A HUNDRED CARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES TO PARK? PLUS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. WE BOUGHT IT BECAUSE WITH ZONE C THREE. OKAY. AND, AND THIS IS WHERE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION. OKAY. THE C I THINK THAT THE C THREE THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH MR. BERNADOS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. FOR THE, FOR THE CITY, UM, I GUESS YOU SAID FOUR OUT OF THE 16, UM, I GUESS WAYS THAT IT, CRITERIA YES. CRITERIA THAT A PROPERTY COULD BE HISTORIC WERE MET HERE. JUST EDUCATE ME ON, IS THAT NORMAL THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST SUCH A LOW NUMBER. I MEAN, IT'S 25% TO ME IN, IN PAST CASES, HOW MANY OF THE CRITERIA ARE USUALLY MET? IT'S ACTUALLY VERY NORMAL. I MEAN, ON, ON SOME LEVEL THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO MEET THREE. SO WE DO AN INITIAL LEVEL OF RESOURCE OF RESEARCH. THERE'S, THERE'S A LIMITED THAT WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WORKING ON, UM, LIKE DESIGNATION RELATED CASES. AND SO KIND OF, WE HAVE TO DO A BASE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH AND ONCE WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT MEETS ENOUGH CRITERIA AND WE'VE GOT ENOUGH DOCUMENTATION, UM, WE JUST CAN'T REALLY JUSTIFY ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME TO LOOK INTO EIGHT OR NINE OR 10 CRITERIA. REALLY. HUH. UM, AND AND THESE FOUR THAT YOU'VE GOT LISTED HERE, 3, 5, 7, AND 11, Y'ALL ARE PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT IT REALLY DOES MEET THESE FOUR? WE ARE, YES. AND THE H D R C ALSO AGREED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, QUESTIONS ON MY LEFT? UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, START DOWN. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF. YES. SO, UH, IN YOUR WRITE-UP, YOU SAID THERE WERE, UH, THIS WAS THE FIFTH LOCATION OF THE TUDOS CHAIN. ARE THE OTHER STORES ALSO DESIGNATED AS HISTORICAL AS WELL? UM, ACTUALLY JESSICA MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THERE WAS ANOTHER ADDRESS THAT WAS DESIGNATED, BUT THEN IT WAS ACTUALLY ILLEGALLY DEMOED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT TIME. SO THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE CITY THAT WERE DESIGNATED THAT WERE UNFORTUNATELY LOST. ARE YOU OKAY? NO MORE. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE REASON THAT THIS CASE KIND OF CAME ABOUT WAS THE REQUEST. SO THE PREVIOUS OWNER REQUESTED TO CLOSE TOOO STREET. THE CURRENT CASE IS UNRELATED TO THAT. THERE WAS JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE FACT THAT NO ONE HAD EVER SAID THAT IT WAS HISTORIC BEFORE. AND SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT TIMES WHERE THAT CONVERSATION HAD OCCURRED WITH PREVIOUS AND CURRENT OWNER. SO THE, IN THE INITIAL CASE, UM, DIDN'T START BACK IN 2017 NECESSARILY. WE JUST HAD, I IDENTIFIED IT AS POTENTIAL. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE THERE WAS A, A REZONING AND THERE, UM, WE KNEW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS, UM, IT WAS UNCLEAR WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE, WITH THE PROPERTY AND WE KNEW THAT IT HAD BEEN [01:15:01] IDENTIFIED AS ELIGIBLE. AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND INITIATED THAT PROCESS SO THAT IT WOULD BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT, UM, THAT DEMOLITION WOULD BE A CONCERN. OKAY. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, SO THE STREET WAS NOT CLOSED, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, AND ACTUALLY I THINK THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER DROPPED THAT. LIKE, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR, OR A QUESTION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER? YES, SIR. UM, SO YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION. YOU SAID THERE'S NO OTHER LANDS IN THE AREA THAT COULD BE USED FOR PARKING? THIS YES MA'AM. WHY IS THAT? MY CODE OFF-PREMISE PARKING HAS TO BE WITHIN 600 FEET OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHY I PUT THE MAP UP ALL THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE STREET IS RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY CAN'T BE USED FOR OFF-PREMISE PARKING OF A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. OKAY. AND SO THE PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS COMMERCIAL? YES. BUT IT HAS A DEEDED RESTRICTION THAT PREVENTS IT FROM BEING USED FOR CROSS PARKING OR TAKING ANY OTHER ANYBODY ELSE'S PARKING THAT WAS DONE BY THE OWNER OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BECOME THE PINGING PONG BALL. THEY DON'T WANT STAFF SAYING, WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR BUILDING PERMIT, BUT YOU HAVE TO PARK THE GUY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH ISN'T EVEN YOUR PROPERTY. AND WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE SOUTH SIDE? IS THERE ANY RELATIONS BETWEEN THE OWNER OF THE NORTH SIDE AND THE OWNER OF THE SOUTH SIDE? ONE DAUGHTER OWNS THE SOUTH SIDE AND ONE DAUGHTER, DAUGHTER OWNS THE NORTH SIDE, BUT THEY'RE RELATED FAMILY MEMBERS. BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT OWNERSHIP STRUCTURES. THEY ARE DIFFERENT DISTINCT LEGAL ENTITIES AND YOU CANNOT BURDEN ONE WITH THE OBLIGATION OF THE OTHER. OTHERWISE THEY CAN SUE EACH OTHER AND SUE ME. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER COM COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? ALRIGHT. TO THE, UM, OWNER THERE AGAIN, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT KIND OF CAR WASH IS THIS? A SELF-SERVE BAY TYPE CAR WASH? I HAVE A PICTURE. IF I CAN GO GET IT. TAKE ME TWO SECONDS AND I'LL MOVE ON TO STAFF AND ASK A QUESTION. WELL, IT'S A, IT'S AN OPEN BAY WITH, WITH AN AUTOMATIC AND TWO SELF-SERVE BAYS. WE HAVE 15 OF 'EM OPERATING ALL OVER TOWN. THEY ARE WELL LIT, SECURE. WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY NEIGHBORS. WE DO THINGS LIKE WE, UH, FIBERGLASS THE WALLS WHERE THEY'RE BRIGHTER, WE MAINTAIN 'EM. WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF STONE OAK, UP AND DOWN FREDERICKSBURG, ALL THE MAJOR CORRIDORS. WE ALREADY HAVE THREE IN SOUTH SAN ANTONIO, TWO OTHERS IN THE COUNCILMAN'S DISTRICT. COUNCILMAN'S DISTRICT. WHAT'S THE NAME OF YOUR CAR? WAS WITH WATER CAR WASH WITH SWIFT WATER. WIF WATER. WHAT PART OF TOWN DO YOU LIVE IN? NINE. AROUND THE AIRPORT. NINE, UH, THERE'S ONE IN STON OAK. THERE'S VANCE JACKSON AND EBNER, UH, EBNER. AND, UH, BUT THEY, BUT THESE ARE SELF-SERVE BAY. OH, SO WILL YOU HAVE UH, VACUUMS AS WELL? YES, WE HAVE VACUUMS. AND, UM, ARE YOU CONCERNED OF THE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE, TO THE HOUSES OF ANY SOUND? AND, AND WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO SOUND ATTENUATION OF WE HAVE LOCATIONS RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND WE'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT. IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE THE STREET, SO WE HAVE BASICALLY A 40 FOOT BUFFER TO THE, TO THE HOUSES. THE PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO BUILD A WALL AROUND IT, BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION, IT ALMOST MAKES, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PRESENT. AND THEN HOW MANY PEOPLE DO, DOES A CAR WASH LIKE YOURS EMPLOY? ZERO? WE HAVE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE THAT ON ROTATING STAFF GO BY AND CLEAN. THEY'RE CLEANED EVERY DAY. TRASH EMP EMPTY, CARRIED OFF, UH, BUT NOBODY'S THERE FULL-TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, STAFF. UM, ON THE 2017, YOU SAID THERE WAS NOTIFICATION. DID, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT NOTIFICATION? UM, WE DO, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT ON ME. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR HISTORIC ON THE, I GUESS THIS IS CALLED A SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE. DO YOU HAVE A, A SAMPLE OF WHAT SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE, IS THIS OUR ONLY EXAMPLE OF SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE IN ITS WORST FORM? NO, THERE ARE MANY OTHER EXAMPLES, BUT THIS IS NO, YOU BROUGHT NONE. THAT'S THE CLOSEST EXAMPLE. THE, THE CLOSEST, UM, WAY TO EXPLAIN THE STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, ARE YOU CONCERNED, UM, UM, ARE YOU CONCERNED BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED THIS UP AND IF I DID A AND I DID KIND OF A PIN DROP ON A GOOGLE MAP AND I CAN FIND SIX MORE LOCATIONS WITHIN ONE MINUTE TO FOUR MINUTES OF DISTANCE FROM THIS TWO DOSE BUILDING THAT ARE ALL BOARDED UP. SO I'M, AND I ASKED, UM, [01:20:01] SAN JOSE TO TRY TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE CULTURE WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE IF THIS IS BOARDED UP AND HAS BEEN BOARDED UP. AND EVEN GOOGLE WILL SHOW YOU, IT'S BEEN BOARDED UP SINCE 2011. SO, AND THEN I'M CONCERNED AS SO WHY WAS THIS NEVER CONSIDERED AS HISTORIC BACK IN 2011 WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY LEFT? WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 2011. I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I MEAN, THE SURVEY HAPPENS WHEN IT HAPPENS. LIKE WE CAN'T, THERE, THERE'S A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND SURVEY THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO IDENTIFY PROPERTIES. THE TIMING OF IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT ODD THAT ALL THIS TIME IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE. NO ONE PUT A DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC ON IT. I MEAN, I, I I, THAT HAPPENS QUITE FREQUENTLY. LIKE THE CITY, THE PROCESS OF SERVING THE CITY IS WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AT ONE TIME. SO IT TAKES A WHILE TO SURVEY ALL NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO, UM, THE PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED AND WE MOVED FORWARD. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT BOARDING, THAT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UM, THERE ARE MANY, MANY, MANY EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS THAT, UM, ARE, ARE MOTHBALLED OR ARE ARE SIT VACANT FOR A WHILE UNTIL THE RIGHT PROJECT COMES ALONG. AND SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST NECESSARY. IT JUST HAPPENS. BUT WE DO HAVE A VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE. AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE SUBJECT TO THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE IN ADDITION TO OTHER PROGRAM AREAS AND BUILDING VACANT BUILDINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE PRO THE PROGRAM AREA ARE REALLY ALLOWED TO BE VACANT. IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU AS AN OWNER WANT TO DO WITH YOUR BUILDING, YOU CAN MAINTAIN YOUR PROPERTY AS VACANT. BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME, A STANDARD OF CARE ON THE EXTERIOR THAT HAS TO BE MET UNDER THAT VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROMERO. UM, THANK YOU. FIRST I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF. UM, I JUST WANNA TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES. I KNOW WE'RE, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TODAY, BUT IN TERMS OF JUST THE ZONING IT HAS, UM, WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES WITH PARKING? 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT, NOT THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER IS MAKING IT SEEM LIKE JUST HAVING C THREE EVEN WITHOUT HISTORIC, IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE PARKING ISSUES. SO CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT? WELL, I MEAN, THE PARKING'S GOING TO BE DEPENDENT UPON THE USE, SO IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT TYPE OF USER IS TRYING TO GET IN THE BUILDING. BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS PARKING THROUGH EXCEPTIONS, THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S ALSO COOPERATIVE PARKING AGREEMENTS, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY WHAT TYPE OF CHALLENGE. UH, IT'S PROBABLY BASED ON THE TYPE OF USER THAT HE WANTS IN THE BUILDING. OKAY. AND THEN, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE ARE C THREE USES THAT WOULD NOT EVEN REQUIRE GOING TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN THOSE ALTERNATES? THAT THAT SIMPLY WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE PARKING THAT IS AVAILABLE? POSSIBLY. OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. THEN I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SHANNON, PLEASE. I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU, YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS EXACTLY, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE THINGS COME TOGETHER, THE C THREE ZONING, THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. SO ARE THERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU COULD SAY JUST ARE NOT GOING TO WORK? LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY WANTED TO USE THE BUILDING JUST AS A SHELL AND HAVE THE CAR WASH BE SITTING INSIDE OF IT OR SOMETHING, IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE YOU COULD SAY NO, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO PASS HISTORIC REVIEW? UM, NO. LET ME ANSWER THE QUESTION A DIFFERENT WAY. I MEAN, I THINK YES, HAVING NOT EVER SAT DOWN WITH THE OWNER TO LOOK AT LIKE, TRUE OPTIONS FOR THE BUILDING, WHAT ARE THE CONSTRAINTS, HOW CAN WE SOLVE IT, HOW CAN WE LOOK AT VARIANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S HARD TO SAY WITH CERTAINTY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH YET. UM, BUT THERE ARE EXAMPLES WHERE, UM, THE H C R C HAS APPROVED PLANS TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF OPEN UP AND ALMOST USE IT AS A, LIKE OPEN AIR STRUCTURE. I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS. LIKE, WE DID HAVE CONVERSATION VERY EARLY ON WITH, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ONE OF HIS ATTORNEYS ABOUT, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF REMOVING THE REAR LATER ADDITIONS TO THE STRUCTURE. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LARGE, A LARGER FOOTPRINT, UM, ARGUABLY SOME, LIKE, THERE COULD BE A PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF SOME OF THE LATER PORTIONS. SO WE DO THINK THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE EXPLORED, BUT, UM, TO DATE, WE JUST HAVEN'T, THE OWNER HASN'T WANTED TO KIND OF TALK TO US ABOUT THOSE ISSUES. UM, WE ALSO, I THINK I MENTIONED, UM, TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE ARE STATE AND FEDERAL, UM, TAX CREDITS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY AVAILABLE FOR A REHAB OF THE BUILDING, UM, [01:25:01] IF THE OWNER WERE TO DECIDE TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, JUST WHEN YOU SAID THERE IS A POTENTIALLY A PATH TO DEMOLITION, IS DO YOU CONSIDER, I'M SURE YOU CONSIDER ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT AS PART OF THAT, CONSIDERING ALSO THE HARDSHIP ON THE OWNER, THAT IS WHAT'S THE U D C ALLOWS, LIKE, BASICALLY THE, THE WAY FORWARD FOR A DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK OR A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY IS FIRST TO, TO PROVE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. AND SO IF THERE IS TRULY AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, THEN THAT COULD BE FOUND BY THE H G R C AND THAT COULD ALLOW FOR DEMOLITION IF FAILING, UM, APPROVAL OF AN OF ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. THE H G R C FOUND THAT IT LOST SIGNIFICANCE FOR SOME OTHER REASON, LIKE, UM, THEN THAT ALSO COULD BE GROUNDS FOR DEMOLITION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. PERFECT. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WELL, UM, I DID, UM, RECEIVE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS FROM, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, ABOUT, UM, THEIR DESIRE, UM, FROM HI, FROM THEIR HISTORY WITH THIS BUILDING AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, UM, ONE OF THE WORDS SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION, UH, BUILDING IN A GREAT LOCATION. AND WITH THE FACT THAT IT DID, UM, PASS APPROVAL AT, UM, H D R C, I AM GOING TO, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH, UH, A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER WHITE. SO I THINK THIS IS A, UH, A REALLY TOUGH CASE AND I WASN'T THERE AT H D R C AND I DON'T KNOW WHY OR HOW THAT PASSED, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, PROPERTY RIGHTS HERE. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT, UM, I, I JUST, IT, IT COMES DOWN TO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT I SEE THIS AS BEING A HISTORIC LANDMARK AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE CITY HAS PRESENTED 3, 5, 7, AND 11 AS TO THE CRITERIA THAT THEY SAY THAT IT'S MET. UM, GIVING THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ON, UM, ON THREE AND SEVEN. I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED UP THIS SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS NUMBER 11 BEING DISTINCTIVE IN CHARACTER, INTEREST OR VALUE THAT STRONGLY EXEMPLIFIES THE CULTURAL, ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, OR ETHNIC OR HISTORICAL HERITAGE OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, DON'T THINK I SEE THAT EITHER. I THINK THERE'S BEEN ARCHITECTS THAT HAVE OPINED ON THIS AS WELL THAT, UM, DON'T SEE THIS AS MEETING THE HISTORICAL CRITERIA AS WELL. SO BASED ON MY CONCERNS FOR THE LANDOWNER'S PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS MEETS, UH, THE HISTORICAL CRITERIA, UM, I'M NOT GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, WHENEVER IT COMES TO SOMETHING HISTORIC AND A LITTLE BIT OF A TAKING FROM ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY, AND IT ALWAYS KIND OF PULLS UP A FLAG ON ME BECAUSE I WAS A PART OF MY PARENTS', UH, ACREAGE THAT WAS EMINENT DOMAIN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN 1977. IT'S NOW A NATIONAL PARK. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN I GO HOME, THE TOWN IS SOLACE. IT'S GONE. AND SO I, I THINK DAN HISTORICAL AND I THINK HISTORICAL IS NEEDED, THE PRESERVATION OF IT, BUT IT OUGHT TO BE PRESERVED BECAUSE IT MOVES US FORWARD AND NOT ABANDONS US. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AREA AND SEE THAT MANY ABANDONED BUILDINGS, SOMETHING IS MISSING OVER THERE AND I DON'T SEE YET OR WHY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WASN'T DESIGNATED FAR LONG BEFORE THEN, SO THAT THIS LITTLE AREA CAN MOVE FORWARD. SO I THINK THAT, UH, TO GIVE IT THE DESIGNATION THAT YOU SEEK TO DESIRE, I THINK IS NOBLE. AND I [01:30:01] APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, WILLINGNESS TO LOOK INTO IT AND, AND COMB THROUGH THE CRITERIA. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE ARE, LIKE MARK SAID, UH, THE PROPERTY RIGHTS TO THIS INDIVIDUAL WHO'S COME ALONG. AND I THINK HE IS BRINGING SOMETHING THAT IS LONG FORGOTTEN IN THAT AREA. AND THAT'S SOME VIBE, VIBRATION, SOME ENERGY, SOME MOJO BACK THERE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN START TO FIND JOBS, OPEN UP THEIR SHOPS AND MAKE THAT LITTLE AREA OF TOWN THRIVE AGAIN. SO I WON'T SUPPORT IT. I DO WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY TO PRESERVATION. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROMERO. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING IN THE MEANTIME. UM, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE OFTEN IN A REALLY AWKWARD POSITION, AND I REALLY WISH HISTORIC DESIGNATION SOMEHOW DIDN'T HAVE TO BE A ZONING CATEGORY. 'CAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES TO US AND IT'S ALWAYS STRANGE FOR US. UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I, I FEEL LIKE THE STRENGTH OF, OF OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION EFFORT IN SAN ANTONIO IS HOW IT'S INSTITUTIONALIZED. HOW, HOW WE HAVE A HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND WE HAVE AN H D R C AND THEY HAVE A PLAN AND THEY HAVE CRITERIA. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN MY CLASS LAST NIGHT, CAN YOU TELL? UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MAKES, UM, CITY PLANS VALID. UM, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM NOT BE TAKING, SO IT'S WHAT MAKES THEM NOT BE ARBITRARY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. SO IT MAKES ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE'RE STARTING TO PICK IT APART AND SAYING, OH, YOU HAVE A GREAT SHOP OVER THERE, BUT WE JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THIS ONE. TO ME, THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT RIGHT FOR THIS CASE. AND, AND IT KIND OF PUTS US ON A SLIPPERY SLOPE. I I I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 'CAUSE I, I FEEL THAT WAY TOO SOMETIMES THAT I DON'T SEE IT, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I DON'T GET YOUR ARGUMENT ALL THE TIME. BUT, UM, IT, IT CONCERNS ME THAT, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST, UM, KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT THAT EFFORT HAS THAT INTEGRITY TO IT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR CITY. SO I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? NO. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? NO. COMMISSIONER BUSTA MONTE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. SEVEN TO THREE. PATRICIA, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE. [7. 20-1894 (Continued from 02/04/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700315 CD (Council District 6): A request for a change in zoning from “C-2 MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD” Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District to “C-2 CD MLOD-2 MLR-2 AHOD” Commercial Lackland Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 2 Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for an Office Warehouse (Flex Space) – Outside Storage not Permitted on 4.351 acres out of NCB 18285, generally located at 7531 Potranco Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Patricia Franco, Planner (210) 207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department).] GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C TWO TO C TWO C D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR OFFICE WAREHOUSE FLEX SPACE OUTSIDE STORAGE, NOT PERMITTED, LOCATED AT 75 31 PETRANKO ROAD. 24 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR TO AN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT WAS NOTIFIED. ALRIGHT. UM, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? OKAY, MAY WE HAVE TO BACK APPLICANT PLEASE? YES, THIS IS JOHN M**K. UH, I REPRESENT THE OWNER. UM, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION, UH, WITH, UH, HOW THIS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO THE VARIOUS PROPERTY OWNERS. SO I'D LIKE TO TRY TO CLARIFY THAT. UM, SO, UM, THE, UH, AREA MAP YOU'LL SEE, UM, OKAY. YEAH. [01:35:12] UH, YES. THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS, IS ON THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THIS, THIS CHART. UM, AND THEN BASICALLY THE, UM, PROPERTY THAT'S BEING TRYING TO BE REZONED IS, UH, ON THE TOP SIDE OF THIS CHART. THE, UM, WHEN YOU GET THE OTHER PICTURE UP, THIS ONE HERE, YOU CAN USE THE LASER IF YOU WANT. CAN YOU TELL 'EM WHERE THE LASER IS? OKAY, THANKS. THAT I JUST NEED, BUT DOWN ON THE BOTTOM SIDE IS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS. UM, THERE IS A SELF-STORAGE COMPLEX THAT'S GOING BETWEEN, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPOSED ZONING ABOVE THIS. THE, UH, SELF-STORAGE IS, IS, UM, PERMITTED USE IN C TWO. AND IT CURRENTLY HAS A, UM, 30 30 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY ESSENTIALLY APPROVED. SO, UM, BEFORE THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS HAD COMPLAINED ABOUT THE STORAGE SITE BEING THERE, BUT IT'S ALREADY APPROVED, UH, FOR THAT USE. AND THERE'S REALLY NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. WHAT, UH, WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT IS, IS FOR THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, AHEAD OF THAT. UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S BETTER. SO THE RESIDENTIALS HERE, THE SELF-STORAGE IS, IS THIS IS, UH, FIGURE NINE SHAPE LOT IF YOU WILL. AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE REZONED IS THIS TRACK HERE, UH, TO, UH, ALLOW FOR A, A, UM, A FLEX SPACE KIND OF OFFICE RESIDENTIAL. AND THE REASON I'M, I'M WANTING TO REZONE IT TO THAT IS MAINLY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC FLOW THAT'S, UH, COMES TO THIS AREA. WITH THE FLEX DELAYS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, PROVIDE, UH, UH, MORE OF A STORAGE, UM, UH, UH, OFFICE WAREHOUSE STRUCTURE WITH, UH, TYPICALLY A SINGLE OFFICE AND THEN WAREHOUSE AND BACK FOR DISTRIBUTION OF, OF ITEMS AND SO FORTH. SO, UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS C TWO AND ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR A LOT WORSE, UM, UM, TRAFFIC FLOW TYPES OF BUSINESSES. SO I GUESS THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE AT THE MOMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. NO. SINA RODRIGUEZ FOLLOWED BY KATHY KRONICK. MY NAME IS JOSEFINA RODRIGUEZ AND I LIVE IN 1957. I'M TO MRS. COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE MIC PLEASE? OKAY. MY NAME IS JOSEFINA RODRIGUEZ AND I LIVE IN 1950 SWICK AND I'M LEADING MY TIME TO MISS KATIE CURRENT. THANK YOU. KATHY KLON, YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY KLON AND I LIVE AT 1922 STAD. AND, AND, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. YOU HAVE TO, EXCUSE ME, I'M HAVING TO READJUST MYSELF HERE. UM, HE'S TALKING ABOUT REDUCING TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW IN WHAT CAPACITY HE'S TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC. WHERE, UM, 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING DOWN COLLIBRA TO PETRANKO CUT THROUGH EDWICK, WHICH IS DOWN OUR STREET. AND UM, SO WITH THIS FACILITY BEING THERE, IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR TRAFFIC ON OUR STREET TO [01:40:01] CUT THROUGH, UM, PETRANKO TO GET TO THAT STREET OR TO, UM, THE AREA THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. UM, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. REZONING, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REZONED AS COMMERCIAL TO BEGIN WITH. UM, NOW PERTAINING TO THE STORAGE FACILITY THAT HE WANTS TO PUT IN, UM, I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLANS, PHYSICAL ARCHITECTURAL PLANS OF HOW HE'S GONNA PROPOSE THAT. AND WITH THE BUFFER, A 30 FOOT BUFFER, THAT'LL BE ALONG THE FENCE LINE OF THE PROPERTIES. AND I WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STORAGE FACILITY WITH THE, UH, BUILDINGS, HOW TALL THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THE LIGHTING, UH, THE HOURS, UM, THE ENTRANCE, IF IT'S GONNA BE GATED, AND THE WAREHOUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE ADJACENT FURTHER DOWN. UM, AGAIN, HOW TALL ARE THOSE GONNA BE? THE ENTRANCE AND THAT ROAD RIGHT NOW IS A PRIVATE ROAD WITH QT COMING INTO WHERE THE BANK IS AT AT THIS POINT. UH, SO I UNDERSTAND THE BANK IS GOING TO RELOCATE ITSELF TO MAKE WAY FOR QT TO DO ALL OF THAT. SO IS HE GOING TO, UM, PAVE THE REST OF THAT ROAD? 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL BUMPY, UH, POTHOLES. AND I'M NOT AGAINST THE, UM, A BUSINESS GOING IN THERE BECAUSE SAN ANTONIO IS GROWING. THE STORAGE FACILITY WOULD PROBABLY HELP WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE IN THE VICINITY ALSO. BUT MY JUST CONCERN IS THE FACILITY ITSELF, HOW IS IT GOING TO LOOK? HOW IS IT GOING TO INFECT AFFECT OUR HOMES, OUR, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY? AND IF THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE, HOW TALL IS THE FENCE GOING TO BE AND WHAT TYPE OF FENCE IS IT GOING TO BE? AND THERE AGAIN, LIKE THE LIGHTING, IS IT GONNA BE LIKE THE STREETLIGHTS OR ARE THEY GONNA HAVE 'EM ON THE FACILITY THEMSELVES? THE BUILDINGS? UM, I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY IT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE PHYSICALLY HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK. I MEAN, THAT RIGHT THERE IS I GUESS OKAY, BUT TO A LAYMAN LIKE ME, IT'S MUMBO JUMBO. I WANNA SEE ALSO THE, UH, TREES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE SOME ON THE, ON THE, UH, OPPOSITE SIDE, RIGHT ADJACENT TO MY FENCE. ARE THOSE ALL GOING TO BE KNOCKED DOWN? ARE THEY GONNA BE LEFT 30 SECONDS? UH, I GUESS THAT'S REALLY IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TIME TO RESPOND? SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN BY THE WAY. AND, UM, THE, THE SELF STORY SITE, AS I SAID, HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND IT'S BEING DESIGNED PER CITY CODE. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN TO RESEARCH THE CODE. UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT'S BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE SELF-STORAGE FACILITY, UH, IS 30 FOOT BUFFER. AND A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THERE ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED AS BEST WE CAN. UH, THERE'LL BE ACTUALLY A LOT MORE, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING PUT BETWEEN, BETWEEN THERE. UM, SO THE RESIDENTS WILL BACK UP TO THE SELF-STORAGE BUILDINGS AND FENCE LINE IN GENERAL, WHICH WILL BE IN THE ORDER OF 10 TO 12 FEET TALL. UM, UH, SO GENERALLY LOOKING OUT FROM YOUR RESIDENCE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU'RE GONNA SEE. THE, UM, PROPOSED FLEX SPACE WHERE THE ZONING CHANGE IS GONNA, UH, IS PROPOSED TO HAPPEN. UM, THOSE, UH, THAT, THAT CURRENT ZONING CLASS ALREADY HAS A 25 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT. UH, THE BUILDINGS THERE AREN'T DESIGNED YET. UH, WE WANTED TO GET THE ZONING APPROVED BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO DO A BUNCH OF DESIGN WORK. AND, UM, THOSE BUILDINGS WILL PROBABLY BE, UH, 16 TO 18 FOOT TALL AT MAX, I WOULD GUESS. AND, UM, UM, [01:45:01] IT'S UNLIKELY YOU'D BE ABLE TO EVEN SEE THEM FROM, FROM YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO I THINK THE, THE, UH, THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE TO TRY TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF, OF PARKING THAT THAT'S REQUIRED SO THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, LESS TRAFFIC IN THE AREA FOR THIS, THIS, UH, UH, FLEX SPACE THAT'S PROPOSED AND, UM, THEREFORE HELP THE WHOLE TRAFFIC SITUATION. IF, IF WE GO IN WITH A, THE CURRENT USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN C TWO OR SEVERAL, UM, SUCH AS, UM, RETAIL OR, UM, SERVICES IN GENERAL, THEY COULD HAVE HUGE TRAFFIC, UH, TYPES OF PATTERNS. AND, AND SO THIS WOULD BE A, A MUCH LESS TRAFFIC, UH, USE IN GENERAL IN MY MIND. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER HUEY. SO, UH, THANK YOU JOHN, UH, JOSEFINA AND KATHY FOR COMING TO SPEAK WITH US. AND I THINK YOUR EXPLANATION REALLY CLEARED IT UP FOR ME, JOHN, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EXISTING, UM, WELL ACTUALLY THE STORAGE, UH, LOCATIONS AND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I DO WANNA OPEN THIS UP TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT QUESTIONS? UM, GUESS I, SO BASICALLY, UM, YES SIR. SO AM I UNDERSTANDING RIGHT? SO THE ZONING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR TODAY, IS IT FOR BASICALLY THE OFFICE, UM, THAT'S GONNA MANAGE THE STORAGE WHERE PEOPLE WILL LIVE? NO, BASICALLY, NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND, IS IT KNOW THE, THE SELF-STORAGE, UH, SITE, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED MM-HMM. AND APPROVED HAS AN ONSITE RESIDENT, UH, MANAGER, UH, OFFICE MM-HMM. ON IT. IT'S GATED. IT'S, IT IS LIGHTED. OH, OKAY. VERY SECURE STATE OFTHE ART FACILITY, SO THAT, THAT'LL BE, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY LOW ON TRAFFIC COUNT NUMBER ONE. THIS IS MORE OF A WORK LIVE SITUATION, MULTIPLE UNITS, ONE UNIT. RIGHT. THIS, THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE, UM, BASICALLY FLEX SPACE. THAT CAN BE MAYBE 2000, 3000 SQUARE FOOT KIND OF A TENDENCY WHERE, WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, UM, UH, AN OFFICE WITH A BATHROOM AND THE REST IS KIND OF HOT WAREHOUSE AREA WHERE YOU'RE DOING DISTRIBUTIONS OF, OF THINGS LIKE ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS OR PLUMBING COMPONENTS, THAT KIND OF THING. SO. GOT IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. UH, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS, UH, ZONING REQUEST. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ZAM, MY LEFT COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. AYE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. 10 ZERO. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. [8. 20-1816 (Continued from 02/04/2020) ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700331 (Council District 3): A request for a change in zoning from "C-1 CD MLOD-3 MLR-1" Light Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District with a Conditional Use for a Limousine Service - Dispatch and Office Use Only No Servicing of Vehicles Onsite to "C-2 MLOD-3 MLR-1" Commercial Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District on Lot 15 and Lot 16, NCB 10761, located at 2035 South WW White Road, 2037 South WW White Road, and 2041 South WW White Road. Staff recommends Denial. (Associated Plan Amendment PA-2019-11600098) (Michael Pepe, Planner, (210) 207-8208, Michael.Pepe@sanantonio.gov, Development Services)] MICHAEL PEPE, PLANNER DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, LOCATED AT 2 0 3 7 6 OR SOUTH W W Y IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C ONE C D TO C. 2 22 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. NONE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION. THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE COMANCHE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR THE JUPE MANOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THERE WERE THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM OUTSIDE OF 200 FEET. STAFF HAS FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION NOR THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. I'VE GOT A BRIEF LITTLE PRESENTATION, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, THE COMMISSIONERS WHO HEARD THIS LAST WEEK, BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF GO BRIEFLY OVER THE DETAILS. UH, IN CASE YOU WERE NOT HERE, THE PROPERTY ZONE C ONE CD FOR A LIMOUSINE SERVICE AT, AT THIS TIME. UH, THE REASON BEHIND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION DENIAL OF OUR REQUEST FOR [01:50:01] C TWO IS BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH HAS THIS PROPERTY DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. WE'VE ALSO SUBMITTED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT. IN MY OPINION, THE PROPERTY ALONG A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED STATE HIGHWAY SHOULD NOT BE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. IT SHOULD BE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. IT'S A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. UM, THE REASON BEHIND THE C TWO ZONING IS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUTSIDE TELEVISIONS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR THE, UH, NEW FRIENDLY SPOT ON THE EAST SIDE AND, UM, TO HAVE OUTSIDE TELEVISIONS, NO OUTSIDE SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED. IN C ONE, I ASKED STAFF IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD DO A C TWO CD ASKED SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GET AROUND THAT REQUIREMENT OR C ONE, C TWO CD OR OR C ONE, CD OR S TO GET AROUND THAT REQUIREMENT. AND THEY SAID NO, THERE WAS NOT. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO ASK FOR THE C TWO. THE SITE PLAN THAT, UH, THE OWNERS HAVE COME UP WITH IS WELL DESIGNED. IT'S GOT THE PARKING, AS YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THERE'S A BUFFER BETWEEN IT AND ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES BACK HERE, A LITTLE COMMERCIAL SPACE. THIS IS THE PATIO WHERE THEY'LL HAVE THE CHAIRS LIKE THEY HAVE AT THE CURRENT, UH, FRIENDLY SPOT. AND THEY, WE'LL HAVE THE TV SCREEN OUT HERE. IT'S A BLOW UP SCREEN THAT THEY PLAY, SPURS GAMES, DEBATES, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. UM, I'M HERE WITH JODY NEWMAN. SHE'S THE OWNER OF THE FRIENDLY SPOT. I'D LIKE FOR HER TO SPEAK. NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN HER BUSINESS OPERATIONS BETTER THAN SHE CAN. THANK YOU. OH, AND ONE MORE THING, LET ME SHOW YOU A COUPLE MORE SLIDES BEFORE I SIT DOWN. SO WE, THESE ARE THE PARTIES WE REACHED OUT TO, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE A SUPPORT LETTER FROM DAN MARTINEZ FROM THE EASTERN TRIANGLE. THANK YOU. HELLO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I AM JODY BAILEY NEWMAN. I'M A MOTHER. MY DAUGHTER IS OUT OF SCHOOL TODAY, SO I HAVE A ASSISTANT AS WELL. I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I REIMAGINE HISTORIC ICE HOUSES IN THE CITY. THIS IS MY FIRST VENTURE TO BUILD ONE FROM THE GROUND UP. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS FOR A SPOT TO PUT, UM, MY NEW ICE HOUSE. AND, UH, I WENT TO BUY A, UH, FROZEN DRINK MACHINE FROM BRIAN LUJAN ACROSS THE STREET OF BIG LOU'S. WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, I SAW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE TREES ARE FANTASTIC. UH, UPON, UM, DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH, I REALLY FELL IN LOVE WITH THE AREA. I LIKE SO MANY THINGS ABOUT IT. AND SO I CHOSE, UH, TO PUT AN OFFER ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WAS FOR SALE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. UH, IN THE SITE PLAN THAT, UH, PATRICK SHOWED YOU, THERE WAS AN ORIGINAL SITE PLAN WITH JUST ONE ACRE 2041 W W I, WE REALIZED VERY QUICKLY TALKING WITH NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES AND, UM, NEIGHBORS THAT WE WOULD NEED MORE PARKING. SO IT TOOK ME ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF TO OBTAIN THE LOT. THAT IS 2037 W W WHITE THAT WAS OWNED BY JEFF CLARK OF CLARK LIMOUSINES. ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS THAT, THAT, UH, LOT WOULD BECOME A CAR LOT. UH, SO MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES WERE VERY EXCITED WHEN WE PURCHASED IT. UH, SO WE DECIDED TO THEN MOVE WHAT WOULD BE THE METAL BUILDING ICE HOUSE OVER TO THAT CORNER. IT ACTUALLY HAS LESS IMPACT ON THE VERY FEW RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS THAT BORDER THE PROPERTY. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE LIVE MUSIC AT OUR ESTABLISHMENTS, SO I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ADVISED ON RECORD LAST TIME. THAT DOES NOT OCCUR. WHAT WE ARE SEEKING THE C TWO FOR IS, UM, OUTDOOR TELEVISIONS. WE, UH, SPURS GAMES, OF COURSE, ARE THE MOST POPULAR AND MAYBE A SUPER BOWL, WHICH HAPPENS ONCE A YEAR. UH, TOMORROW NIGHT WE'RE SHOWING THE DEBATE, SO MANY COMMUNITY GATHERING STYLE, UH, THINGS THAT ARE SHOWN ON TELEVISION. WE BECOME THE PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN COME AND GATHER. UH, EVERYBODY'S WELCOME AND, UH, AND HOPEFULLY LESS PEOPLE FIGHT . SO THAT'S OUR GOAL. UH, SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT A BIG SCREEN WOULD BE USED FOR. I DID MEET, UH, WITH THE JUPE MANOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ALSO THE EASTERN TRIANGLE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I MET WITH ABOUT A HALF A DOZEN BUSINESSES ON WW WHITE, AS WELL AS, UM, SPOKE WITH DI DISTRICT THREE, UH, COUNCIL OFFICE AND MET WITH, UH, COUNTY COMM COMMISSIONER TOMMY CALVERT, HIS OFFICE. AND, UH, JUST MADE A WALK THROUGH. THERE'S ALREADY A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY AS THERE WAS. UM, WELL, IT HAD BECOME ALMOST A TRASH DUMP BECAUSE THAT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. SO, UM, THAT IS OUR INTENTION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. UH, I WANT TO REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE. I'VE BEEN AN, AN OWNER OPERATOR FOR 11 YEARS IN SAN ANTONIO, SEVERAL LOCATIONS. I'VE NEVER ONCE HAD A CITATION FROM THE T A B C NOR A SINGLE CITATION FOR NOISE OR ANY KIND FROM THE CITY OR COUNTY. UM, SO I DO INTEND TO REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE AND RUN A VERY GOOD, UH, LOCALLY OWNED BUSINESS. ANOTHER CONCERN, UH, FROM A [01:55:01] NEIGHBOR IS THAT THERE WILL BE CONDOS OR LARGE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING BUILT. I CAN SAY I CATEGORICALLY AM NOT IN THAT BUSINESS , SO THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. AND, UM, I'M ALSO NOT IN THE CAR BUSINESS. SO THOSE WERE THE TWO BIG CONCERNS. UH, FEEL FREE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANKS. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. RUBY PITTMAN. RUBY PITTMAN, 44 35 BOXWOOD. I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS' ATTENTION TO DETAIL. HEARING THE PREVIOUS CASES MAKES ME FEEL REALLY GOOD THAT YOU GUYS PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU'RE HEARING. UM, AND I MET THE OWNER JO JOY, AND SHE IS A REALLY NICE LADY. AND THE PLAN IS DONE AS SYMPATHETICALLY AS POSSIBLE, BUT I AM OPPOSED TO IT BECAUSE OF THE NOISE. WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME, AND FORGIVE ME, YOU GUYS, I THOUGHT THIS COMMITTEE WAS A RUBBER STAMP, THAT EVERYTHING WAS A DONE DEAL WHEN I CAME IN AND THAT I HAD NO INFLUENCE. BUT SINCE I, SINCE I CAME THE LAST TIME I'VE STARTED READING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WAS AVAILABLE ONLINE, THAT WERE AVAILABLE ONLINE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING HAS A LITTLE NOTE. IT'S A CAVEAT TO BUYERS TO SAY THAT PLEASE BE SURE TO LOOK AT THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FITS YOUR NEEDS. AND I SPOKE WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR JOY, UM, AND SHE, HI. THE ATTORNEY THOUGHT THAT THE PLAN WAS OPERABLE AT THE COMMERCIAL ONE LEVEL. THEY, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. I SPOKE WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE TOO, AND WHAT THEY TOLD ME TO THINK ABOUT WAS WHAT HAPPENS IF SHE DECIDES TO SELL THAT PLACE? IT WON'T GO BACK TO A COMMERCIAL ONE, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A COMMERCIAL TWO. SO I NEEDED TO LOOK AT THE, UM, STRUCTURES. AND IT SOUNDS THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, THERE WAS A CONDO THAT WAS LOOKING, THEY HAD BUILT BALCONIES LOOKING DIRECTLY INTO RESIDENTIAL BACKYARDS. AND THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT HAPPY CAMPERS. AND I THOUGHT, WELL, IF SHE WERE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WHERE IT WOULD GO FROM THERE. SO EVEN THOUGH I THINK HER PLAN IS VERY WELL DONE AND VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT FUTURE, UH, USES WILL STILL BE THE SAME. SO I AM HERE TO OPPOSE THAT AND THANK YOU GUYS FROM LAST TIME. YOU, YOU GUYS DID HELP ME TO LOOK AT THINGS. THANKS. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. OKAY, MR. CHRISTIANS, THANK COMMISSIONERS. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. UH, THE ZONING WE'RE ASKING FOR DOES NOT ALLOW CONDOS. WE'RE ASKING FOR C TWO AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN AND WE GOT THE C TWO APPROVED, I MEAN, C TWO IS NOT BAD. USES MOST OF THE USES THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. USED CAR LOTS, STANDALONE BARS, THAT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN C THREE. SO I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE C TWO WILL BE A PROBLEM. BUT I WOULD JUST ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER 'EM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, UM, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE, UH, CASE. I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP, UM, FOR QUESTIONS. UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YEAH. A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES, MA'AM. SO I'VE PULLED UP, UM, THE G I S MAP AND I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE AREA AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER C TWO PROPERTIES LOCATED ALONG WW WHITE ROAD THAT ARE ALSO CLASSIFIED AS NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. WERE THOSE, IS THAT JUST THERE? WHY ARE, WHY ARE, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A, UM, CONGRUENCY BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND THE ZONING ON THOSE PROPERTIES? COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YEAH, SOME, SOME OF THE CORRIDOR WAS DESIGNATED BY A LARGE AREA REZONING TO IMPLEMENT THE EASTERN TRIANGLE PLAN. UM, IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, ONLY A FEW YEARS AGO, BUT IN, IN THAT SITUATION, IN THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE CORRIDOR, THEY DID GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THAT UP WITH A, A, UH, LARGE AREA REZONING DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN FOR THE WHOLE THING. IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF STAFF TIME. SO IN, IN THIS CASE, THEY DID DO A LARGE AREA DOWN ZONING, BUT NOT IN THOSE, I GUESS SO. RIGHT. AND I'LL CHIME IN. THAT ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE LAND USE PLAN. AND SO SOMETIMES THEY'LL GO IN AND THEY'LL CHANGE THE LAND USE, BUT THEY FOR WHATEVER REASON, DON'T HAVE THE STAFF OR IT, IT'S NOT IN A QUEUE YET TO GET THE ZONING CURRENT WITH THE DESIRED LAND USE FOR THAT CORRIDOR. SO IF YOU WERE TO TURN ON THE CORRIDOR LAYER FOR LAND USE, YOU WOULD SEE THAT A MAJORITY OF IT IS PINK. SO THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING THAT ARE C TWO NOW ARE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING TO THAT LAND USE. OKAY. [02:00:01] THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT, RIGHT? I THINK I, I ALREADY ASKED. RIGHT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROMERO, THIS IS FOR STAFF. UM, SO THERE'S A FUNERAL HOME RIGHT NEXT TO IT NORTH OF IT. YEAH. AND THEN IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S MUCH OF A FENCE OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. WHAT, WHAT IS THERE IN BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE TWO SUBJECT PROPERTIES OR BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE, UM, SUBJECT PROPERTY AND FUNERAL HOME? I'M, I CANNOT REMEMBER IF THERE'S A FENCE THERE OR NOT. LORIANNE, YOU WANNA SCROLL THROUGH THE SITE PICTURES? MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A PICTURE OR MAYBE GOOGLE MAPS. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THOSE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION FENCE THINGS. THAT'S THE, WE'LL LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE MAPS. LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CHAIN LINK AND A WOODEN FENCE. OKAY. MAYBE CHAIN LINK IS INVISIBLE WHERE I'M LOOKING. . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT PLEASE, I OR SO, UM, IT CAN BE EITHER YOUR OR MS. NEWMAN WHO CAN BEST, UM, UM, ANSWER THIS QUESTION. SO, UH, WITH THE OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES, UM, THAT I GUESS THE FRIENDLY SPOT, I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER NAMES. SO, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ISSUE WITH, UH, THE SPEAKERS, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS? WHAT KIND OF, UH, RECEPTION DO YOU HAVE WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT YOU SURE CURRENTLY HAVE PROPERTIES WITH? IN 2009, 2010, UH, WE DID HAVE NEIGHBORS AT OUR SOUTH ALAMO LOCATION CHALLENGE OUR T A B C LICENSE. UH, SS A P D DID NOT SUPPORT IT. WE WERE ACTUALLY THE MOST METERED, SOUND METERED LOCATION IN 2010, 2011. AND WE NEVER RECEIVED ONE SINGLE NOISE, UH, VIOLATION. SOMETIMES THE NEIGHBORS DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND WHAT IS THE, WHAT IT ALLOWS AND DOESN'T. BUT AS FOR, UM, US, WE JUST ABIDE BY THE ORDINANCE. AND, UM, CAN WE GET THE, UM, PROPERTY MAP ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? SO HAVE, SO YOU MET WITH MS. UH, PITTMAN. CAN YOU USE THE LASER? CAN WE SEE WHERE HER PROPERTY IS PLEASE? RIGHT THERE. YEAH. UH, DO THAT AGAIN. MM-HMM. , I'M SORRY. DO THAT AGAIN. IT'S TWO LOTS BACK FROM W W I. OKAY. AND SO WHERE, UM, WHERE WILL THE, UH, WHERE WILL THE, UH, THE TV SCREEN BE? IT WILL BE, UH, WHERE THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE CLARK LIMOUSINE. THERE. RIGHT THERE, YEAH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND WHAT KIND OF BUFFERING WILL YOU HAVE IN PLACE, UM, BETWEEN, UM, YOUR PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL? SURE. SO, UH, THE GOOD THING IS WE'LL HAVE A HUN ABOUT 120 SOMETHING PARKING SPACES WITH TREES. THERE IS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL NATURAL, UM, ABOUT 20 FEET ON ALL THE WAY AROUND, AMAZINGLY OF REALLY NICE LANDSCAPING. UH, SO WE DO INTEND TO KEEP THAT AS A BUFFER AS WELL. AND THEN, UH, SOME KIND OF FENCING. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, I GUESS THE OWNER WILL ASK THE QUESTION. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GENERAL, BUT WHERE, WHERE ARE THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUND FROM TV. SO WHERE WILL THE TVS BE PLACED? ARE THEY UNDER AN AWNING CLOSE TO THE BUILDING? YEAH, SO THEY'LL BE UNDER AN AWNING, UM, CLOSE TO THE BUILDING. AS YOU SEE, THERE'S LIKE A LARGE ROUND CIRCLE. WE INTEND TO PLACE A LARGE TREE THERE. UH, AND THEN UNDERNEATH THERE THERE WILL BE AN OVERHANG TO SHADE AND THEY WILL BE UNDER THERE, BUT THERE WILL BE ONE, UM, INFLATABLE TELEVISION THAT'S LARGE. IT'S NOT PERMANENT, IT DOESN'T STAY UP ALL THE TIME. UM, IT'S ONLY PUT UP WHEN THERE'S SOME KIND OF AN EVENT, BUT IT WILL BE ALONG WHERE THE FENCING OF THE, UH, FUNERAL BETWEEN THE FUNERAL HOME AND, UH, THE PROPERTY ON 2037. AND SO THE SPEAKERS ON THE INFLATABLE [02:05:01] ARE ON THE INFLATABLE OR, OR THOSE ARE SPEAKERS IN THE PARK IN THE SITTING AREA? YEAH, SO THEY'LL BE PERMANENTLY INSTALLED IN THE SEATING AREA. SO CURRENTLY NOW WE HAVE NO PLACE TO INSTALL THEM, SO WE ACTUALLY CALL THEM OUT, PUT THEM THERE, AND THEN PUT 'EM BACK. BUT THE BEAUTY OF A NEW LOCATION IS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLACE THOSE ACCORDING ACCORDINGLY. AND WE DO HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A SOUND ENGINEER THAT WE ACTUALLY MADE, UH, DURING THAT TIME IN 2010. AND SO HE HAS, HE HAS HELPED ADVISE US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS ON EVERY PROJECT FROM THEN UNTIL NOW. WELL, IF, IF I WAS SITTING THERE HAVING A HAMBURGER AND I, AND I THOUGHT, OH, I CAN'T HEAR IT VERY WELL, COULD I ASK THE WAIT STAFF TO TURN IT UP? OR DO YOU HAVE THAT AT, IT HAS TO STAY AT THIS, UH, VOLUME LEVEL AND, AND NO ONE CAN TOUCH IT? SURE. SO, UH, YES. I GUESS IN THEORY A CUSTOMER COULD ASK FOR IT TO BE TURNED UP. OUR EXPERIENCE IS THAT MOST PEOPLE LIKE TO ENJOY CONVERSATION WHILE, UH, ALSO SEEING THESE THINGS HAPPEN. UH, BUT YES, I GUESS IN THEORY IT, IT COULD BE TURNED UP. YEAH. AND SO IT COULD GO PAST THE VOLUME ALLOWABLE. YEAH, SO I ACTUALLY OWN A, A NOISE METER ONE THAT'S CALIBRATED EVERY YEAR BY S A P D. THEY COME OVER, I SPOKE WITH THE SAFE OFFICER WHEN I MET HIM AT THE EASTERN TRIANGLE. HE'S MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME AND CALIBRATE OUR NOISE METER. SO THAT WOULD BE THE INITIAL STEP, RIGHT? IF WE WOULD GET A, A COMPLAINT FROM A NEIGHBOR, WE HAVE A PROTOCOL NOW, UH, IF THEY CONTACT US FIRST, WE ACTUALLY GO TO THE POINTS THAT S A B D S A P D TELLS US TO NOISE MONITOR FROM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE NOISE MONITOR OURSELVES. UM, AND THEN IT WOULD GO FROM THERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE BUILDING PEOPLE, CARS, FENCES, TREES, ALL THOSE ARE GONNA ABSORB SOME SOUND TOO. SO IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY SAFE BET THAT I DON'T THINK, AND IT'S ONLY AMPLIFIED MU IT'S ONLY AMPLIFIED MUSIC OR NOISE THAT IS MO IS MONITORED BY THE, UM, BY THE SOUND ORDINANCE. SO, UH, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD BE MOST CONCERNED WITH, RIGHT? IS ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE AMPLIFIED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. SO I, UM, BEEN AT, UM, MEETINGS WHERE THE NEIGHBORS SEEM AMENABLE TO THIS. I, UM, LOOKING AT THE HISTORY AND, AND OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES, AND I GUESS THEY'VE MADE MODIFICATIONS AND NOW SELF-MONITOR AND LOOKING AT THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE, UM, TELEVISION WILL BE, LOOKING AT THE BUFFERING THAT WILL BE IN PLACE. ALSO LOOKING AT THE EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE ON, UH, SURROUNDING, UM, UM, THIS PROPERTY ON SOUTH W W WHITE THAT, THAT ARE ALREADY, UH, COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. I AM GOING TO GO. AND ALSO WITH RESPECT TO MS. PITTMAN, I, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, I'M CONFIDENT THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE A, A HINDRANCE TO YOU, THE WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS. BUT I REALLY THANK YOU, UM, FOR COMING, UM, TODAY AND, UM, HAVING YOUR VOICE, UH, BE HEARD. UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I AM GOING TO MOVE, UM, TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. SECOND, RIGHT THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROMERO, THEN COMMISSIONER SIPES. UM, I'M STILL OPPOSED TO THIS, SO I WILL RESPECTFULLY NOT, UM, SUPPORT THIS MOTION. I, I STILL, BECAUSE I HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF LIVING CLOSE AND IT'S NOT THE FRIENDLY SPOT, BUT IT WAS THE FRIENDLY SPOT. BUT ANY PLACE THAT HAS AMPLIFIED TELEVISIONS OUTSIDE NEXT TO PEOPLE'S HOMES AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SAID WAS RIGHT, YOU'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT I THINK PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH THE NOISE ORDINANCE ALLOWS. IT'S A LOT. AND, AND THESE ARE PEOPLE'S HOMES, AND I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AS COMPLETELY STOPPING YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO PUT THE BUSINESS IN THAT YOU WANT. UM, AND INFLATABLE TELEVISIONS, OUTDOOR AMPLIFICATION. UM, ANOTHER POINT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT'S, THAT'S ACCURATE IS THAT THE NOISE ORDINANCE ONLY COVERS THE AMPLIFICATION. PEOPLE OUT THERE MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF NOISE TOO. UM, I, I JUST CANNOT SEE US SITTING UP HERE AND SAYING, IT'S OKAY. THE BIG EVENTS ARE ONLY A COUPLE TIMES A YEAR WHEN YOU'RE SITTING THROUGH ONE OF THOSE BIG EVENTS THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NEVER GOING TO [02:10:01] END. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT ONLY HAPPENS TWO OR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A YEAR. AND I DON'T KNOW, TO ME, NOISE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL IS JUST CROSSING THE LINE TO NUISANCE. AND AGAIN, I DON'T SEE THIS AS VIOLATING, VIOLATING ANYBODY'S RIGHT TO OWN A BUSINESS. IT'S OUTDOOR AMPLIFIED TELEVISIONS THAT ARE REALLY GIVING ME CONCERN ABOUT THIS. AND BECAUSE I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS EXACT SAME BUSINESS, UM, LIVING CLOSE ENOUGH THAT I KNOW IT'S, IT CAN BE A DISTURBING NOISE. SO I, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS ONE. THIS IS A REALLY DIFFICULT CASE, UM, BECAUSE I, I, I CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER ROMERO HAS SAID, BUT THEN I ALSO LOOK AT WHERE IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS SOME NEIGHBOR, UM, ENGAGEMENT IN WANTING THIS BUSINESS. I ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS FIVE YEARS DOWN THE LINE AND, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER ROMERO IS CORRECT. IT, IT OR SOUND DOES TRAVEL PRETTY FAR. UM, I CAN HEAR THE, UH, THE, THE PLACES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE BLOCKS AWAY. UM, BUT, UH, IN THIS CASE, I, I DID VOTE AGAINST IT THE LAST TIME, BUT THIS TIME I'M STILL TRYING TO DECIDE. UM, BUT, BUT I JUST WANT THE NEIGHBOR TO UNDERSTAND THAT HER, HER, HER POINTS ARE ALSO VALID AND HER, AND, AND, AND ARE BEING CONSIDERED AS WELL. ANY COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, UM, A A PROPERTY OWNER DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY, ENGAGING, UH, THE NEIGHBORS. UM, I ALSO COMMEND, UM, MS. PITTMAN FOR HOW, UM, UH, RESPECTFUL AND INSIGHTFUL YOU'VE BEEN, UM, BOTH TODAY AS WELL AS, UH, AS THE, AS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE. UM, I THINK THIS, UM, PROPERTY OWNER HAS DEMONSTRATED A HISTORY OF DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. UH, THE FRIENDLY SPOT, UH, THAT'S THERE NOW, UM, I THINK HAS BEEN A GOOD, UH, A, UH, A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UH, A GOOD, A GOOD CITIZEN OF SAN ANTONIO. I THINK WE CAN EXPECT THE SAME HERE. I ALSO APPRECIATE, UH, THE LAYOUT OF THIS PARTICULAR, UM, PROPOSED SPOT. UH, THE, THE SOUND IS, IS GONNA BE BUFFERED AS, AS WELL AS POSSIBLE. I THINK, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOISE ORDINANCES IN PLACE AT LEVELS THAT PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE SMARTER THAN ME HAVE, HAVE SET. AND SO AS LONG AS THIS PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS ABIDING BY THOSE ORDINANCES, UM, I THINK THIS, UH, UH, WON'T BE A PROBLEM AT ALL. UH, IT'S BEEN WELL DONE AND I SUPPORT IT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SIPES. I THINK THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE. UM, I DEFINITELY CONCUR ALSO WITH COMMISSIONER ROMERO AS FAR AS THE, THE NOISE, THE AMPLIFIED SOUND NEXT TO, UM, AT LEAST FIVE RESIDENCES. UM, I APPRECIATE THE LAYOUT, HOWEVER, AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS COMMITTED TO WORK WITH A SOUND ENGINEER AND, UM, I WILL PROBABLY SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, BUT DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, UM, THAT THEY REALLY DO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THAT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT SOUND ENGINEERS IN SAN ANTONIO, UM, WHO CAN HELP WITH THOSE ISSUES. SO, UM, I I REALLY HOPE THAT THAT'S, UH, WHAT HAPPENS GOING FORWARD. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I WAS JUST SITTING THERE THINKING SOUND CAN BE KIND OF SUBJECTIVE. FOR INSTANCE, IF I'M IN BED AND THAT CARDINAL OUTSIDE MY WINDOW IS CHIRPING, CHIRPING, CHIRPING, AND THE RACCOONS HAPPENED TO GET UP ON MY ROOF, THAT IS ANNOYING NOISE, RIGHT? BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE THE GREATER HARMONY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE THE SWIM MEETS THERE AND WE'LL GET A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THAT SWIM MEET. AND IT'S, IT'S SEVERAL STREETS AWAY FROM ME BY STREETS AND BUY HOUSES AND BUY TREES. AND I CAN HEAR SOME OF THAT NOISE, BUT ONE I MAYBE LIKE OVER THE OTHER. TO HEAR CHILDREN LAUGHING [02:15:01] AND FAMILIES ENJOYING THEMSELVES IS VERY UPLIFTING. AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE, TO HAVE PEOPLE COME AND REST THEMSELVES AT YOUR SPOT WITH A BEER AND A HAMBURGER AND CHAT AND MAYBE REALLY NOT ENGAGE IN THE TV, BUT THE TV SEEMS TO CALM PEOPLE OR SOMETHING, I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY NICE NOISE IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE. THEY ARE PEOPLE, AND WE REALLY CAN'T SILENCE PEOPLE VERY MUCH. THE BIRD OUTSIDE MY WINDOW, I PROBABLY COULD REDIRECT HIM BY BIRD FEEDER, BUT I WILL SUPPORT YOUR CASE AND I WISH YOU WELL. A ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE AYE. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER ROMERO? NO. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR APPROVAL. NINE TO ONE? YES. OKAY. UM, NOW IS A GOOD TIME FOR BREAK. IT IS CURRENTLY, UH, THREE 20, SO WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT FIVE OR SO MINUTES, UH, FOR BREAK. THANK YOU EVERYONE. OKAY. ANYWAY, IT'S 3 27. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK INTO SESSION. MM-HMM. . OH YES, THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BE BLESSED. HAVE A GOOD DAY. OKAY. IT'S RAINING OUTSIDE. ITEM 10 IS A [10. 20-1876 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700339 (Council District 2): A request for a change in zoning from "R-5 MLOD-3 MLR-1" Residential Single-Family Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District to "RM-4 MLOD-3 MLR-1" Residential Mixed Martindale Army Airfield Military Lighting Overlay Military Lighting Region 1 District on Lot 3A, 4A, 5A, 6A, and Lot 8A, NCB 10746, located at 126 Holmgreen Road. Staff recommends Approval. (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, Mercedes.Rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FIVE TO R M FOUR AND IT IS LOCATED AT 1 2 6 HOME GREEN ROAD 49. NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR TO AN OPPOSITION AND THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. BUCK BENSON, 7 4 5 EAST MULBERRY ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UH, THERE WERE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT SHOWED UP TO, TO THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW, UH, WE WERE GONNA BE HERE NECESSARILY AND HAD SOME QUESTIONS. UH, WE'D LIKE A CHANCE TO VISIT WITH THEM OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND KIND OF EXPLAIN THE PROJECT AND, AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THEY HAVE. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'D RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE TO VISIT WITH THEM. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UM, CAN YOU, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? SHARON . SHARON. SHE SHERA. OKAY. SHE, CONTRERA IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. SHE WANTS TO NOT SPEAK SINCE HE'S ASKING FOR TENANCE. ANYBODY ELSE? WE HAVE, IS IT EPIPHANY? BERA. BERA. HE'S GONNA WAIT TOO. ALRIGHT. AND WE HAVE ED MCGINNIS? YES. OKAY. MR. MCINNIS, CAN YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS FOR HEARING US TODAY AND FOR, UH, TAKING PART IN THIS PROCESS. UM, UH, I, I PERSONALLY, UH, REPRESENT THE OWNERS OF SIX PROPERTIES ON CREST HILL ROAD RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THERE. SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ADJACENT TO THE, THE BACK PROPERTY LINE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT, I AM STRONGLY, UH, RECOMMENDING, DENYING THIS, [02:20:01] UH, ZONING CHANGE. UM, UH, WE AS PROPERTY OWNERS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HERE PRESENT, UH, HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHAT IT'S INVOLVED. I'VE BEEN TOLD BY OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS JUST THIS LAST WEEK, THAT THERE'S 185 SECTION EIGHT UNITS PLANNED FOR THAT PROPERTY. HAS ANYBODY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT DOWN IN THE BOTTOM OF THAT PROPERTY, THERE'S A LAKE, A SPRING FED LAKE. MY FATHER WAS ON SITE WHEN THAT LAKE HAPPENED. IT WAS A GRAVEL PIT THAT WAS BEING DUG THERE AT THE, ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF BOULDER AND HOL GREEN THERE. THAT WAS ALL THAT PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY A MAN BY THE NAME OF MR. HOFER, WHO MY, MY FATHER WORKED FOR MANY YEARS AGO. MY FATHER WAS PRESENT WHEN THEY STRUCK THE SPRING WHILE DIGGING FOR GRAVEL IN THAT GRAVEL PIT. THAT LAKE IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY. IT'S ABOUT AN ACRE, ACRE AND A HALF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT HAS A HEALTHY FISH POPULATION. PEOPLE ALWAYS GO ACROSS THE FENCE AND FISH IN THAT LAKE. I FISHED THERE WHEN I WAS A KID. I WORKED FOR MR. HOFER WHEN I WAS A KID. I DID YARD WORK FOR HIM AND STUFF. HE GAVE ME, UH, PERMISSION TO GO AHEAD AND FISH IN THAT LAKE. AND WE, WE, WE AS KIDS, WE TRAMPED ALL OVER THAT PROPERTY. THAT WAS OUR, OUR LITTLE PLACE. OKAY. SO THAT THERE'S BIRDS, THERE'S OWLS, THERE'S HAWKS THAT SEASONALLY HAWKS NEST ON THAT PROPERTY. THERE'S OWLS LIVING ON THAT PROPERTY YEAR ROUND. THERE'S OTHER ABUNDANT WILDLIFE ON THAT PROPERTY. OKAY? UH, HAS ANYBODY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, HAS ANYBODY CONTACTED THE SIERRA CLUB? THAT SPRING SYSTEM? IF YOU GO IN A LINE DIRECTLY UP AND DOWN ON THAT PHOTOGRAPH, YOU, UH, IF YOU GO STRAIGHT DOWN, YOU'RE GONNA INTERSECT. EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA INTERSECT SATO CREEK AT COMANCHE PARK RIGHT THERE. OKAY. WELL, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THERE, THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE OF, UH, USED CAR PARK PLACES. OKAY? SO UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, THAT SPRING SYSTEM, THE SAME ONE THAT FEEDS THAT LITTLE LAKE FEEDS INTO SALADO CREEK, IT COMES OUTTA THE SIDE OF THE HILL. I WAS A WITNESS TO THAT AS A KID. WE USED TO GO UP AND DOWN THE CREEK ALL THE TIME. BACK THERE IN THE PARK, THERE'S CLIFFS THAT COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE CREEK THERE. THE SPRINGS ARE COMING RIGHT OUTTA THE SIDE OF THE HILL, RIGHT INTO THE WATER. OKAY? SO THAT HELPS. CLEAN UP 30 SECONDS. KEEP CLEAN SATO CREEK. OKAY, SO HAS ANYBODY CONSIDERED ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? OKAY, SO RATHER THAN 185 SECTION EIGHT UNITS, WHY CAN'T THERE BE LIKE A DOZEN, 15 REALLY NICE TOWNHOUSES WITH A NICE NATURE PARK AND A PRIVATE LITTLE FISHING LAKE? A REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT FOR UPPER SCALE THINGS, WHICH THE SECTION WITH THOSE ARE TWO GREATLY NEEDS. THERE'S PLENTY OF BUSINESS OWNERS ALL THROUGHOUT SECTION TWO. THAT'S TOO MINUTES. THERE'S PLENTY OF TEACHERS, PEOPLE THAT MAKE MORE MONEY THAT CAN AFFORD A NICER PLACE TO LIVE THAN A SECTION EIGHT PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA CALL THESE, I WAS TOLD THEY, THEY WERE NOT GONNA SPEAK, BUT THEY MAY STILL BE HERE. GARY P*****K, FOLLOWED BY RENEE P*****K, GARY P*****K. I RESIDED 1 7 4 HOME GREEN. I JUST, UH, JOTTED SOME NOTES DOWN, UM, THAT I WAS GONNA ADDRESS TODAY. BUT JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE REMAINED UNANSWERED. A START DATE, END DATE. THE TRAFFIC, UH, PLANS FOR FENCING, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS GONNA BE ANY SECTION EIGHT HOUSING IN THERE. SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE, UM, INDICATED TO ME THAT THERE'S SOME SOIL ISSUES THERE AT, AT, UH, PROPERTY AS WELL. AND THERE'S, UM, WE CALL IT, I'M FROM CANADA. WE CALL, UM, THE WASTE, UH, SITES THAT YOU HAVE HERE IN THE STATES. WE CALL 'EM DUMPS OVER THERE. THERE'S A DUMP OVER THERE. THE WATER COMES DOWN TOWARDS OUR PROPERTY. IT, IT, I'VE SEEN IT AT, I'VE SEEN IT AT DIFFERENT COLORS. THE POND THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, DISRUPTIVE, IF YOU WILL. THERE'S SNAKES, THERE'S, I'VE SEEN CORAL SNAKES. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DISRUPTION OF SPECIES COMING TOWARDS OUR HOUSE AS WELL. AND, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAD, UH, TO SHARE WITH YOU AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT WE'D CERTAINLY, UM, UM, ENCOURAGE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RENEE P*****K, FOLLOWED BY DELIA CARDENAS. OH, MY NAME IS RENEE P*****K. I LIVE AT 1 7 4 HOLMGREN. I AM GARY POLLOCK'S WIFE. UM, WE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. SORRY. UH, WE CAME IN TODAY. UH, WE DID GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL. UH, WE CAME IN TODAY. WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAN WAS FOR THE, UH, AREA IN QUESTION. UM, WE DID GET SOME ANSWERS TODAY. UM, IN TALKING TO, UM, SOME OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT ARE HERE WITH REGARDS [02:25:01] TO, UM, WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN, UH, I GUESS OUR MAIN CONCERN HERE IS THEY'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING 87 HOMES. UM, THE AREA, THE STREETS ARE NOT VERY BIG. UM, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY NARROW STREETS. HIGH TRAFFIC IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT AREA IS DESIGNED FOR. FOR, UM, WHEN PURCHASING OUR HOME, WE WANTED TO FIND AN AREA THAT WAS IN AN ESTABLISHED AREA. WE DIDN'T WANNA BUY A, A HOME IN, IN A SUBDIVISION. SO WE PURPOSELY LOOKED FOR A HOME IN THAT AREA. WE FOUND ONE, WE'VE BEEN PERFECTLY HAPPY THERE FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS. NOW YOU'RE WANTING TO ADD 87 MORE HOMES TO AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S FINE THE WAY IT IS. I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE THE CHANGE. UM, I CAN'T, THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I WANNA EXPRESS, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, WE JUST, WE, WE, UH, WE LIKE OUR QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DELIA. ES GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DELIA ES AND, UH, I LIVE AT 2 0 2 HOME GREEN. AND, UM, MY HUSBAND AND I, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE ENJOYED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY THE AREA WHERE WE'RE AT. IT'S, UM, VERY QUIET FRIDAYS, QUIET SATURDAYS, WHICH ARE, WE HAVE A VERY QUIET AREA, AND ALSO THAT CONCERNS US IS, UH, THE TRAFFIC. I MEAN, WE HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC AS IT IS, WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY CONCERNS ME SINCE, UH, I LIVE ON A CORNER LOT ALSO. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO STREETS THAT ARE COMBINED, SO WE DO GET THE TRAFFIC, BUT, BUT LIKE ON AT NIGHT, IT, IT IS VERY PEACEFUL. WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC AT NIGHT. AND WITH ALL THESE HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRIPLE THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND THE STREETS ARE VERY NARROW. YOU CAN BARELY GET ONE CAR THIS WAY AND ONE CAR THAT WAY. YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. LIKE I SAID. UM, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY QUIET AND, AND MY HUSBAND AND I LIKE IT BECAUSE WE'RE OLDER ALREADY, AND I COULDN'T PUT UP WITH ALL THE NOISE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE REALLY. BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THAT SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, LIFETIME TO RESPOND, MADAM CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UH, AND AS OF AS OF FRIDAY, WE'D ONLY RECEIVED ONE CARD IN OPPOSITION TO THE CASE. WE REACHED OUT TO THAT GENTLEMAN TO, TO GIVE HIM INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT. UM, AND SO, AGAIN, UH, THERE'S NOT A REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN THE AREA FOR US TO CONTACT. AND SO UNTIL TODAY, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THE, THIS NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT HAD, UH, THAT WERE, WERE INTERESTED IN THE CASE. SO, SO AGAIN, WE'D LIKE SOME TIME TO SIT DOWN WITH 'EM, GO OVER THE PROJECT, UM, ADDRESS THE, THE, UH, ISSUES OF DRAINAGE. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT BUILDING 185, UH, HOMES. UH, IT'S 87. UM, UH, AGAIN, HAVE THE ENGINEER COME AND WE CAN SIT AND GO OVER THOSE, GO, GO OVER THOSE ITEMS. UM, JUST AS YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT IS ALREADY ZONED R FIVE, SO THAT, SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE USE, WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY GO ON THE SITE. SO THAT, I HOPE THAT ONE IS ONE THING TO NOTE, BUT ANY, ANYWAY, AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TWO WEEKS TO, TO VISIT WITH THESE FOLKS AND EXPLAIN KINDA WHAT WE'RE DOING AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT WE CAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TOSEN. UH, THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU TO THE, UH, THE RESIDENTS AND THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT. UH, AT THIS TIME, I'M JUST GONNA MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE. UH, THAT'LL PUT US AT THE MARCH 3RD, TWO WEEKS SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE, UM, WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY, UH, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE 187 HOMES, BUT WILL THERE BE ANY AFFORDABILITY IN THIS PROJECT? ANY TYPE OF TAX CREDITS OR OTHER TYPES OF NO, WE'RE, IT'S A, AND AGAIN, I WANTED TO, UH, IT'S, IT'S AN 87, UH, LOT DEVELOPMENT. IT'S MARKET RATE. IT'S A NATIONAL BUILDER THAT'S GOING THERE. UM, I MEAN, I, I COULD GET INTO A LOT MORE OF THE DETAILS ON THE PROJECT, BUT I FIGURED SINCE WE WERE ASKING FOR A CONTINUANCE, I WOULDN'T, BUT NO, IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY, ANY TAX CREDIT INCENTIVES TO BUILD THERE. [02:30:02] OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COMM, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE, DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? NO, SORRY. OKAY. THERE'S A, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN RAISING THIS HAND. OKAY. SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS, UH, CLOSED AT THIS TIME. I'M SO SORRY. . ALRIGHT. YEAH, BUT IT'S COMING BACK. SO, , YOU, YOU COULD SPEAK WHEN, WHEN IT COMES BACK AGAIN. SO, WE'LL, UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER TOSON? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES NINE TO ZERO. [17. 20-1877 ZONING CASE Z-2019-10700348 (Council District 5): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "RM-4 AHOD" Residential Mixed Airport Hazard Overlay District on Lot 7, Block 5, NCB 2357, located at 2402 Monterey Street. Staff recommends Denial, with an Alternate Recommendation. (Mercedes Rivas, Senior Planner, (210) 207-0215, Mercedes.Rivas2@sanantonio.gov, Development Services Department)] 17 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE A ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR LOCATED AT 2 4 0 2 MONTEREY STREET. 28 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. THREE WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR WHEN IN OPPOSITION AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE. NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE? AND I JUST WANNA COMMENT WHILE THE APPLICANT IS WALKING UP, MS. HOFFMAN, IRMA HOFFMAN WAS HERE. SHE WAS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE. SHE DID WANT IT NOTED FOR THE RECORD THAT SHE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE APPLICANT WAS AMENDING THEIR REQUEST AND THAT THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE WAS IN SUPPORT OF THAT CHANGE AND THEY APPRECIATED EVERYTHING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD DONE TO WORK WITH THEM. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE APPLICANT, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT HE LEFT DUE TO HOW LONG IT'S BEEN , HE DID ASSURE ME THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY TO AMEND HIS REQUEST TO OUR FOUR C D FOR TWO UNITS. UM, OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THEN, IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? ROBERT VERA? LET ME CHECK THE, I'LL CHECK THE HALLWAY. UM, QUESTION. SO IN ORDER TO DO AN AMENDMENT AT THE PODIUM, UM, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THE APPLICANT STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD, UM, SINCE WE CAN'T FIND HIM OR HE'S NOT HERE, I, I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNER, I, WE WOULD OH, NEVER SUGGEST A PARDON OF ONE OF THE APPLICANTS. OKAY. WE WOULD SUGGEST A CONTINUANCE TO THE NEXT MEETING. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, I GUESS WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THOUGH? UH, NO. OKAY. WELL, GREAT. UM, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. THANK YOU. UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, I'M ACTUALLY NOT GONNA BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING, AS YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED PRIVATELY. UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE ON THIS CASE, WHICH I BELIEVE TAKES US TO MARCH 17TH. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE TO MARCH 17TH ON THIS ITEM SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A, A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE, UM, WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BUSTA AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITE? AYE. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE TO MARCH 17TH, NINE TO ZERO. [21. 20-1873 ZONING CASE Z-2020-10700004 CD (Council District 10): A request for a change in zoning from "R-4 AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District to "R-4 CD AHOD" Residential Single-Family Airport Hazard Overlay District with Conditional Use for two (2) dwelling units on the west 35 feet of Lot 8 and the east 30 feet of Lot 9, Block 5, NCB 9045, located at 153 Bryn Mawr Drive. Staff recommends Approval with Conditions. (Lorianne Thennes, Planner 210-207-7945, lorianne.thennes@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department)] [02:35:03] GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS LORIANN TENNIS PLANNER FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 21, LOCATED AT 1 53 BRYN MAWR. AND IT IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS. 24 NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. ZERO. WERE RETURNED IN FAVOR. 12. WERE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. TARRELL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. AND 36 OTHERS OUTSIDE THE BUFFER ARE OPPOSED. STAFF HAS NOT FOUND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS AND RELATIONS TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ZONED R FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA BENEFIT FROM THE B TO R FOUR CONVERSION, WHICH ALLOWS A DUPLEX BY RIGHT. ADDITIONALLY, ALL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW A PRIMARY DWELLING AND AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS OWNER OCCUPIED. MANY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES HAVE A PRIMARY HOME WITH AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR DWELLING UNIT. IF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS OWNER OCCUPIED, THREE OR TWO DWELLING UNITS FOR THAT MATTER WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT WITHOUT THE NEED TO REZONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE SECOND DWELLING UNIT SHALL NOT EXCEED ONE STORY. THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YOU MAY WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. OKAY. UH, MY NAME IS CHAD MCNAMARA. I RESIDE AT 11 1 0 2 WHISPERING WIND, UM, IN DISTRICT NINE. I'D LIKE TO START OFF BRIEFLY, UH, WITH THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND KIND OF HOW WE ENDED UP AT THIS POINT. UNFORTUNATELY, UH, IN 2000, MY WIFE AND I MOVED IN. WE HAD NO KIDS AT THAT TIME, AND WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT IT. IT WAS MAYBE THE BEST TIME OF OUR LIVES, ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE KIDS OR BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THE KIDS THERE. IN 2004, WE HAD BABY NUMBER ONE AND THEN WE GOT PREGNANT WITH TWO AND THREE AT THE SAME TIME. SO WE HAD IRISH TRIPLETS AND HAD TO MOVE TO A BIGGER HOUSE, WHICH IS WHERE WE ENDED UP IN WHISPER SPRING OAKS. WE RENTED OUT THE HOUSE STARTING IN 2005. UM, WE'VE RENTED IT FOR 15 YEARS. WE ARE ON OUR SIXTH RENTER. UM, SO WE HAVE A DECENT RETENTION RATE AND WE'RE NOT JUST MOVING OUT EVERY SIX MONTHS OR EVERY YEAR. SO THAT LEAVES US TO 2018 IN THE SPRING WHEN APPARENTLY MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN WATCHING TOO MUCH TO H G T V AND REALIZED EVERYBODY'S BUILDING TINY HOUSES AND HECK WE OWN THE PROPERTY. NOW, WHY DON'T WE SET OURSELVES UP FOR WHEN I RETIRE FROM TEACHING WITH A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY? SO WE DECIDED WE HAVE A GARAGE IN THE BACK THAT IS ABOUT TO FALL OVER AND WHY DON'T WE PUT A TINY HOME THERE? SO WE CONTACTED AN ARCHITECT. HE DREW US PLANS FOR A LITTLE CASITA. IT ENDED UP BEING 460 SQUARE FEET IN JUNE. WE HIRED A LOCAL CONTRACTOR SLASH REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD KNOWN FOR 18 YEARS. AT THAT POINT. WE RAISED THE GARAGE AND THE PERMITS WERE PULLED. NEW FOUNDATION WAS POURED. NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, WE FAST FORWARD 15 MONTHS TO 2009 IN SEPTEMBER WHERE WE HAD TO FIRE THE CONTRACTOR FOR THEFT OF FUNDS AND GROSS NEGLIGENCE. AND WE ARE NOW EXPLORING LITIGATION. IT'S A TUFTS PILL TO SWALLOW WHEN YOU'RE MY AGE AND YOU REALIZE YOU'VE BEEN TAKEN BY A CONTRACTOR. NOBODY LIKES TO ADMIT THAT. UM, IN OCTOBER, SARAH AND I PIECED TOGETHER SOME SUBCONTRACTORS. WE PUT A ROOF ON THE STRUCTURE. UM, IN NOVEMBER, WE HIRED A NEW CONTRACTOR. HE PUT ON SIDING WINDOWS AND DOORS TO WEATHERPROOF THE STRUCTURE. HE WENT TO THE CITY, UH, TRYING TO BE ABOVE BOARD TO WORK UNDER THE EXISTING PERMITS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE REALIZED THAT CONTRACTOR NUMBER ONE HAD MISLED US ON THE PULLED PERMITS. AND WE STARTED THE REZONING PROCESS. UP UNTIL THIS POINT, WE HAD NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. JANUARY OF 2020, WE PUT A YELLOW REZONING SIGN OUT AND MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BLOWN UP THE HOUSE. UM, AND THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING HAS STARTED. UH, I AM ASKING FOR THAT. WE HAVE TWO DWELLINGS ON THAT PROPERTY WHERE WE HAVE TWO ELECTRIC METERS SO THAT WE CAN RENT OUT BOTH PROPERTIES SEPARATE. SO I'M GONNA TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I'LL COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE PACKET WITH YOU IF I'M PERMITTED. COOL. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. UM, SO HOW, HOW MANY MINUTES FOR RE WHEN HE GETS [02:40:01] TO RESPOND BACK AGAIN IF I NEED TO SPEAK NOW, I'LL SPEAK NOW. I WAS GONNA COME BACK. UH, YOU, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU WOULD PRESENT YOUR CASE NOW AND THEN IF YOU WANNA RESPOND TO WHAT, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S SAID IS YOU COME BACK FOR RESPONSE. IF YOU HAVE A CASE, YOU WANNA PRESENT YOUR CASE. PRESENT YOUR CASE NOW. ALL RIGHT. SO WE, IF Y'ALL WILL TURN TO YOUR FIRST PAGE STUDENTS, I APPRECIATE IT. I'VE GOT SOME EXAMPLE PICTURES THAT ARE ON BRYN MA WITHIN SEVEN OR EIGHT HOUSES. SO WE'VE GOT A GIANT PURPLE STRUCTURE, UM, IN THE BACK WHERE A ADDITION WAS MADE. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE AT 1 33 BRYN MA, WHERE WE HAVE A TWO STORY ADDITION MADE THOSE, EXCUSE ME, THOSE ARE NOT ADDITIONS. THOSE ARE SEPARATE HOUSING IN THE BACK. WE ALSO GO DOWN THE ALLEY IN BRYN MAWR AND WE HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT IS RIGHT UP ON THE ALLEY WITH A BOAT AND ANOTHER ONE THAT IS RIGHT UP ON THE ALLEY. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU EXAMPLES OF WHAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AT 2 23 WEST MEADOW LANE, WE HAD A GIANT TWO STORY HOUSE BUILT WITH A GIANT TWO STORY HOUSE GARAGE APARTMENT PUT IN AT 4 27 NORTH MEADOW LANE. WE HAVE A TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE SLASH LIVING AREA IN ORANGE BEHIND THE TEAL HOUSE IN FRONT ON BRENMAR. AGAIN, WE HAVE A MASSIVE TWO STORY HOUSE THAT WAS BLOWN OUT LIKE A MINI MCMANSION. WE THOUGHT WE MIGHT DO THAT AT SOME POINT WITH OUR KIDS, BUT I'VE GOT THREE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND ONCE THEY START MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY WANT TO CONTINUE ON IN THAT PATH. UM, COUPLE HOUSES, COUPLE STREETS AWAY FROM BRYN MAWR IS 1 0 8 HARMON. YOU CAN SEE AGAIN A GIANT DETACHED GARAGE WITH A BIG LARGE STRUCTURE. THE NEXT IS A MAP SHOWING WHERE THOSE PLOT OUT IN RELATION TO MY HOUSE. UM, I UNDERSTAND, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A MASSIVE TARGET THAT WAS BUILT RIGHT OFF AUSTIN HIGHWAY THAT IS EIGHT HOUSES FROM MY HOUSE. WE HAVE A CHURCH THAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE BENEFITED FROM AUSTIN HIGHWAY, UM, GROWING AND REVITALIZING, BUT WE HAVE LARGE CONDO STRUCTURES AS YOU CAN SEE THAT LITTLE M OFF OF AUSTIN HIGHWAY IN THAT QUICKLY. I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON AS WE GO THROUGH THE PACKETS, I KNOW THAT PARKING IS A CONCERN. I PULLED UP, I WENT AND TOOK A PICTURE OF THE STREET. THERE WAS ROUGHLY 12 UP AND DOWN THE STREET AT THE TIME I WAS THERE. THERE IS NO STATE OR CITY LAW THAT DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO PARK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. IF YOU'LL TURN TO THE SA TOMORROW PACKET, PLEASE. I PULLED THIS STRAIGHT OFF OF OUR WEBSITE. THIS IS SOMETHING FROM THE CITY THAT IS CALLED COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK IT'S VERY TELLING SOMEBODY PROBABLY HAS MY HIGHLIGHTED BACK IN . I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO STARLY YOU ALL WHEN I CAME AT YOU. COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOODS IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS A CITY IS STRIVING FOR. AND I'D LIKE TO TURN YOU TO TURN TO THE BACK PAGE. AND I'M JUST GONNA READ ONE PARAGRAPH BRIEFLY. I KNOW Y'ALL ARE, ARE ALL READY TO GO. HOUSING CHOICE AND DIVERSITY, AGAIN, THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY AND SA TOMORROW. ANOTHER KEY ASPECT OF A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENSURING HOUSING CHOICE AND DIVERSITY WITHIN AND ACROSS ITS NEIGHBORHOODS. THE MAJORITY OF HOUSING IN SAN ANTONIO IS CURRENTLY DETACHED. SINGLE HOMES. A COMPLETE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD HAVE A HOUSE RANGE OF HOUSING TYPES, SIZES, PARENTHESES, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, AND MULTIFAMILY HOUSING FOR RENT OR FOR SALE. ADDITIONAL VARIETY SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITH A RANGE OF HOME SIZES IN THE FORM OF OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. I THINK MY PROPERTY CHECKS ALL OF THOSE VERY ELOQUENTLY. NOW THE NEXT PAGE IS A SCREENSHOT FROM THE NEXTDOOR APP, WHICH I HAVE NOT BEEN FAMILIAR WITH BESIDES PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT. THIS IS HOW THINGS GET RAMPED UP QUICKLY. I WOULD LIKE TO READ PARTS OF THE SCREENSHOT. I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT ALL TO YOU, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSE APP LIKE THAT IS THERE'S LOTS OF MISINFORMATION THAT GOES ON OUT THERE AND I'VE TRIED TO FOLLOW UP THIS WITH DIFFERENT THINGS BEHIND IT. SO IF YOU'LL FOLLOW ALONG, OWNERS DO NOT OCCUPY THE PROPERTY. TRUE. THE NEW BUILDING EXCEEDS THE CONDITION SIZE OF THE LOT. THERE ARE NO BUILDING PERMITS ON FILE. FALSE. SO THERE ARE TWO BUILDING PERMITS THAT WERE FILED BY OUR SHODDY CONTRACTOR. UNFORTUNATELY THEY WERE FOR GENERAL REPAIRS OF THE GARAGE, NOT A KNOCKDOWN IN REBUILD. HE TRIED TO SKIRT THE RULES. THERE IS ALSO AN ELECTRIC PERMIT PULLED, SO THAT'S FALSE. THERE'S THE PROOF. IT SAYS TARRELL HEIGHTS IS DESIGNATED AS AN R FOUR. THAT IS [02:45:01] TRUE NOT A LOW DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD. R FOUR ON THE SA TOMORROW WEBSITE SAYS IT IS A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND UNDER MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL SAYS YOU CAN HAVE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, FOURPLEXES, LOWRISE, GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS WITH NO MORE THAN FOUR DWELLINGS PER BUILDING. COTTAGE HOMES AND VERY SMALL SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ARE APPROPRIATE WITHIN THIS LAND USE CATEGORY. TURN TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO GOVERNMENT PAGE. WE HAVE OUR FOUR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, SINGLE DWELLING HOMES WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIDE OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET. OURS IS 8,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A MINIMUM OF 35 FEET. CAN FOSTER A FAMILY HOME, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS. SO THERE YOU GO. THAT'S R FOUR. NEXT ONE IS TALKS ABOUT ZONING. SO I HAVE A PROPERTY, I HAVE A PICTURE OF OUR BEAR CAD. WE ARE ZONED R FOUR. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THAT UP. I'M GETTING TAXED ON THE DILAPIDATED GARAGE THAT WAS THERE THAT I COULDN'T EVEN STORE ANYTHING IN. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT WEATHERPROOFED, IT WAS 400 SQUARE FEET. THE NEW STRUCTURE IS 460 SQUARE FEET. IT IS TWO FEET BIGGER ON EACH SIDE ON TWO SIDES TO EQUAL THE FOUR 60. UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE GOT RAMPED UP WITH THE THING AND IT TALKS ABOUT HAVING A MEETING AND LET'S ALL SIGN PETITIONS AND WE'LL GET A FORM LETTER TOGETHER AND ALL PUT OUR DIFFERENT NAMES ON IT AND SEND IT TO THE CITY. SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE. AND UNFORTUNATELY I THINK A LOT OF IT IS DUE TO MY WIFE AND I'S LACK OF DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON OUR CONTRACTOR. TRUST ME, I WOULD HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN TAKE A HALF DAY OFF OF SCHOOL TODAY TO TALK TO YOU. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHAIR. BEFORE WE, UM, START WITH THE CITIZENS, UH, SIGN IN TO SPEAK, WE HAD AN INQUIRY AS TO GETTING A COPY OF THAT INFORMATION FROM A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT COPY. WE JUST NEED, UM, UH, SOMETHING SUBMITTED FOR LIKE AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. SO IT CAN BE A SIMPLE EMAIL TO US REQUESTING THAT COPY. AND SO WE HAVE BUSINESS CARDS HERE AND YOU CAN DO THAT FROM YOUR PHONE. AND THEN WE'LL, UM, COPY IT AND THEY, THEY CAN WALK AWAY WITH IT TODAY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS DISPLAYED ON THE OVERHEAD SO EVERYONE COULD SEE IT. BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS COPIES, JUST SUBMIT AN EMAIL. THANK YOU. OKAY. IT'S, UH, THO THOSE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. CATHERINE WHITLOW, FOLLOWED BY PATRICK TOWNEY. UM, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. OKAY. MY NAME IS KATHY WHITLOW AND I LIVE AT 1 4 9 BRENMAR. AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA COMPLIMENT THIS, UM, COMMISSION. I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT TWO WEEKS AGO AND, UM, I'M VERY IMPRESSED AND I AM PROUD TO BE A CITIZEN OF SAN ANTONIO OR OF, UM, OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, SO, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. I BOUGHT MY HOUSE 20 YEARS AGO AS A 40 YEAR OLD PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER. I'VE INVESTED IN MY HOUSE BY ADDING ON. UM, MY CONTRACTOR DID PULL CONTRACTS AND, UM, AND WHEN I ASKED HIM IF I COULD HAVE A BIGGER, UM, BIGGER GARAGE, HE SAID NO BECAUSE HE HAD TO REMAIN IN THE SAME, UM, FOOTPRINT. SO, YOU KNOW, I I DID ABIDE BY THAT. UM, SO 20 YEARS LATER I'VE RETIRED. I'M MARRIED AND I TEACH AT ST. MARY'S UNIVERSITY. AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE INVESTED IN SOLAR PANELS. WE REPLACED AND ENLARGED OUR DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE OUR TWO CARS. UM, MY STORY'S REALLY NOT TOO DIFFERENT THAN OTHER RESIDENCES IN, UM, IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, I SPOKE WITH MR. MICHAEL PEPE REGARDING THE CRITERIA FOR ZONING, THE ZONING STAFF. 'CAUSE I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS, AS I SAID, LIKE EVEN A WEEK AGO. UM, BECAUSE I FOUND OUT THAT THE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, BUT WITH CONDITIONS HE WASN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH THOSE CONDITIONS. UM, BUT, UM, AND I WASN'T TOO SURE WHEN HE MET BY THE CRITERIA, BUT BASED ON MY CONJECTURE IS THAT THE, UM, I, ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR PROPERTY TO BE REZONED 30 SECONDS IS, UM, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY. UM, AND WE, I DO FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE ADVERSE, BASICALLY. UM, I HAVE PICTURES. YOU CAN TELL THAT, UM, THE ZONING THAT THE HOUSE IS THE APART [02:50:01] PROPERTY HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED. UM, THE OTHER THING IS ON, ON THE SITE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE PROPERTY, THE, THE DRIVEWAY GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE NEW HOUSE. UM, TWO MINUTES. IT'S THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY AND IT'S THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY. UM, SO THAT HASN'T, OKAY, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. JUST POINT OF PRIVILEGE. COULD I GIVE HER 30 SECONDS TO FINISH HER THOUGHT? 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK HE SHOWED US ANY PICTURES OF HIS HOUSE. AND SHE WAS, YOU CAN CALL HER BACK UP WHEN, DURING QUESTION TIME TO THANK YOU. PATRICK TOWNIE, FOLLOWED BY MARY BAKER. I'M PATRICK TOEY. I LIVE AT 1 4 9 BRENMAR DRIVE. AND, UH, THE CONCERNS I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THAT, UH, BY GRANTING COMING FROM AN R FOUR RESIDENTIAL TO AN R FOUR CD, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE ENTIRE AREA. ANY PERSON WHO DOES NOT LIVE ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH THERE ARE SEVERAL ON THAT STREET, CAN IN FACT BUILD ANOTHER UNIT BEHIND THEM. UM, THE EXISTING UNITS THAT ARE OWNER OCCUPIED ARE VERY WELL KEPT IN A NICE CONDITION, AND THEY AGREE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FLAVOR OF THE ENTIRE STREET. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT BESIDE US HAS THAT SAME RELATIONSHIP TO THE ARCHITECTURE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE HOMEOWNERS IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW TIMES THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THEIR PROPERTY, LIKE TREE BRANCHES AND THINGS FALLING OFF. AT ONE POINT I HAD A NUMBER TO GET, UM, TO REACH THEM, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO KATHY, IT WAS THEIR NUMBER. AND I CALLED, IDENTIFIED MYSELF, EXPLAINED THE CIRCUMSTANCES, AND WAITED FOR REACTION, GOT NOTHING CALLED AGAIN, AND FINALLY HAD TO, UH, GO TO CODE COMPLIANCE TO HAVE THE SITUATIONS RECTIFIED. UH, THAT WERE FOUR TIMES IN TOTAL IN NINE YEARS, WHICH WASN'T A BIG DEAL. BUT MY CONCERN GOING FORWARD IS THAT THE, UM, 30 SECONDS, UH, THE RESPONSIVENESS SHOWN BY THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE PAST, UH, IF THAT GOES FORWARD, ALONG WITH THIS PROPERTY, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS HAVING THE PROPERTY TAKEN CARE OF? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MARY BAKER, FOLLOWED BY JAMES GONZALEZ, MARY OR JAMES. OKAY. UH, NOT THAT ONE. UH, OKAY. MY NAME IS JAMES GONZALEZ. I LIVE AT 1 3 3 BRYN MAWR DRIVE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET AS IT'S THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE. UH, IT'S NOT THAT ONE. IT'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER ONE. NO, NOT THAT ONE. OKAY. SO LIKE THOSE TWO RIGHT THERE. I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THAT ONE'S EVEN RENTED THE ONE UP THERE ON TOP. THAT WAS NOT, THAT'S NOT A RENTAL, IT'S NOT AN APARTMENT. OKAY. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THAT IS NOT AN APARTMENT. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY RENT THAT ONE OR NOT. I DON'T THINK THEY DO. IT'S JUST A HOMEOWNER. THE NEXT ONE? NO, FIRST PAGE. IT'S A FIRST PAGE. OH, NOT THAT ONE. OKAY. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. THE BOTTOM ONE IS MINE AND THE ONE ON TOP IS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS. WHAT CHAD IS FAILING TO TELL YOU IS THAT NONE OF THESE HOMES ARE, ARE OCCUPIED BY RENTERS IN THE FRONT MAIN HOUSE. THAT'S THE ISSUE. THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU START SUBDIVIDING UP PROPERTIES, THE WAY THAT HE'S TRYING TO DO THAT JUST OPENS THE DOOR FOR GOD. GOD KNOWS WHAT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CAN COME IN AND I GUESS, AND JUST KNOCK DOWN A HOUSE, DEMOLISH IT, BUILD SOMETHING ELSE IN ITS PLACE, PUT UP TWO OR THREE RENTALS ON THAT PROPERTY. THAT IS NOT THE WAY THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED. AND I THINK YOU GUYS, AS A COMMISSION, Y'ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE HOMEOWNERS OF SAN ANTONIO TO PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE. THIS IS WHAT WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSES FOR. I PUT A TON OF MONEY INTO MY HOUSE NOT TO RENT IT. I PUT IT IN THERE BECAUSE I WANT TO LIVE THERE. AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I HAVE NO INCLINATION TO EVERYONE EVEN DO THAT. I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SELL MY HOUSE. WE LIKE WHERE WE LIVE AND WE CHOSE TO STAY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS ZONED. ASK YOU GUYS TO PLEASE CONSIDER 30 SECONDS, ASK YOU GUYS TO PLEASE CONSIDER DENYING THE REQUEST TO TRY TO KEEP IT THROUGH JUST THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. [02:55:01] MAKE NO MISTAKE, HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH RENTERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ABSOLUTELY NONE. BUT TO HAVE MORE THAN TWO, TWO OR MORE PROPERTIES THAT ARE RENTALS ON ONE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A PROBLEM. AND WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RICHARD HARTMAN, FOLLOWED BY WALTER BROWN. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S RICHARD HARTMAN. I LIVE AT 1 37 BRYN MAWR. I AM INSIDE THE BOUNDARY BY ONE FOOT, SO I GOT LUCKY TO GET A NOTICE, ALTHOUGH I'M OBVIOUSLY I HEARD ABOUT IT. UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M FEELING GOOD TODAY. IT'S BEEN AN EXCITING MEETING FOR ME 'CAUSE I OWN AN OPERATED BURGER, JOINT BEER GARDEN. SO I A KNOW A BETTER PLACE TO GET A BURGER IN BOMBAY BICYCLE CLUB. AND B I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE VOTE FOR THE FRIENDLY SPOT 'CAUSE THEY DO DO A GREAT JOB MAINTAINING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN, WHAT JAMES HAS SAID, THIS PURPLE HOUSE IS OWNED BY JAY AND CARMEN LAMBERT, THEIR HOMEOWNERS. I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT IS AN ATTACHMENT BECAUSE I BELIEVE THEIR OLDEST DAUGHTER, MARY, SO LIVES IN THE TOP. THIS BOTTOM HOME IS HIS HOME. IN THE BOTTOM, JAMES AND I BUILT MY TABLE THAT WENT INTO MY BRAND NEW HOME THAT I REMODELED. 2006, MY WIFE AND I RENTED 1 37 BREN MA. WE LIVED THERE FOR 12 YEARS. WE HAD TWO KIDS, EIGHT. AND AND NOW WHEN THEY WERE EIGHT AND SIX, WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE HOME. AND AT EIGHT AND 10, IT WAS A TWO BED, ONE BATH, BULGING. WE NEEDED TO RE TO SELL BECAUSE OF MY NEIGHBORS, 'CAUSE OF MY STREET. I DECIDED TO REINVEST AND I MADE A FOUR, THREE, WENT DOWN TO THE STUDS FULL-BLOWN REMODEL BECAUSE IT IS MY HOME. I DON'T PLAN TO RENT IT. BUT EVEN IF I DID AND I BUILT A BACK HOUSE WITH THAT MONEY, I WOULD'VE BEEN OKAY WITH IT. THIS ENTIRE PRESENTATION WAS ACTUALLY SET UP MY, MY ENTIRE THING BECAUSE ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THOSE 30 SECONDS WERE HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE THOSE BACK HOUSES. BUT SOME OF THEM AREN'T EVEN BACK HOUSES. BUT MY POINT IS, IS IF HE WANTED TO DO A DUPLEX AND HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING AND HE LIVED ON THE PROPERTY, THAT'S HIS RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT HE CAN DO. BUT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIVE THERE, AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A PRECEDENT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF PROPERTIES. WE DO HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT RENT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE PROPERTIES OF HOMEOWNERS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT SOMEONE COULD DO THAT. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR PROPERTY. AND I BELIEVE WE GOT HERE BECAUSE OF HOW HE BACKED INTO IT, NOT NECESSARILY DOING THE RESEARCH AHEAD OF TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WALTER BROWN, FOLLOWED BY KAY KIMBALL. MY NAME'S WALTER BROWN. MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED, UH, 2 0 6 WELLESLEY, UH, ONCE STREET OVER FROM THE PROPERTY, UH, FOR 30 YEARS. UM, TERRELL HEIGHTS. UH, THE, THE MAP ON THE, ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE HANDOUT, EVERYTHING OUTLINED IN BLUE IS SINGLE FAMILY. TERRELL HEIGHTS HAS BEEN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MORE THAN 70 YEARS. THE LITTLE RED.IN THE MIDDLE IS THE PLACE WHERE THIS GENTLEMAN WANTS TO HAVE TWO RENTAL DWELLINGS ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, AND MY MAIN PROBLEM, BESIDES THE FACT THAT I THINK IT'S, UH, NOT ALL THAT ATTRACTIVE, IT OPENS UP ON THE ALLEY. THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK, IS THAT HE PUT UP THIS STRUCTURE IN VIOLATION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND NOW IS COMING DOWN AND ASKING YOU FOR FORGIVENESS. AND WILL YOU PLEASE BAIL HIM OUT AND CHANGE THE ZONING SO THAT IT MATCHES WHAT HE'S ALREADY DONE. EVERYBODY ELSE I'VE WATCHED IN THIS, IN THESE HEARINGS UP TO NOW HAS DONE IT BY THE BOOK. THEY'VE COME IN AND THEY'VE SAID, I WANT TO DO THIS. WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE ME PERMISSION TO DO IT? AND THEN YOU VOTE YES OR NO TO, TO ALLOW IT OR NOT. AND THIS GENTLEMAN DID IT BACKWARDS. HE'S ALREADY BUILT IT. AND NOW HE WANTS, UH, YOU TO BAIL HIM OUT. AND AT THE EXPENSE OF THE REST OF US WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING, GO TO RENTAL PROPERTIES WITH MULTIPLE UNITS ON THEM, UH, CROWDING, WHATEVER'S YOU CAN GET ON THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, I, MY WIFE AND I PLANNED TO ADD ONTO OUR HOUSE. THEY WERE TINY HOUSES BUILT AFTER WORLD WAR II. AND SO I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE, UH, BUYING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EXPANDING. BUT THOSE FOLKS LIVE THERE AND, UH, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. UH, 30 SECONDS. SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S [03:00:01] A SITUATION WHERE, UM, HE SHOULD HAVE ASKED PERMISSION BEFORE HE DID THIS, AND HE DID IT ANYWAY. NOW HE'S WANTING YOU TO FIX IT FOR HIM, AND I'M OPPOSED TO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KAY KIMBALL, FOLLOWED BY MARK DEEDS. TO WHO? OKAY. MARK DEEDS. UM, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE NAME AND ADDRESS. ADDRESS. I'M SORRY. I'M MARK DEEDS. SORRY. UH, I LIVE AT, UH, 1 0 3 DEVONSHIRE TERRELL HILLS. TERRELL HEIGHTS, UH, . AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING FOR THE RECORD ABOUT THE FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A VERY COHESIVE, UM, HARDWORKING, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY INVESTED. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 40 YEARS NOW AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THE BEST PLACE I'VE EVER LIVED, REALLY. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE A GREAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE, UM, UH, A LOT OF, UH, EVENTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UH, BRINGS EVERYBODY THERE TO, UH, THE SMALL LITTLE SKATES PARK, UH, DOWN NEAR AUSTIN HIGHWAY, ACTUALLY, JUST A FEW, UH, A FEW HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM IT. AND, UM, IT'S JUST A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. AND WE HAVE NICE NEIGHBORS. WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE, UH, TO HELP US AND DO THINGS AND, AND, UH, KIND OF MAKE IT A BETTER NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE PLANTED OVER 500 TREES IN THE LAST, UH, 20 YEARS PROBABLY, UH, FOR NEWCOMERS AND PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE SHADE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND WE HAD GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT GO OUT BEFORE THE CITY KIND OF CLEANED UP OUR ALLEYS AND EVERYTHING AND PAVED THEM AND EVERYTHING. WE HAD GROUPS. WE HAD A, A GROUP CALLED THE, UH, UH, ALLEY, UH, CATS THAT WENT OUT AND CLEANED THE, THE BRUSH AND THE DEBRIS OUT OF THOSE, UH, DEALS. AND IT, IT WAS FOR BIG EVENTS IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY AT THAT TIME. AND, UH, NOW THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SETTLED DOWN. BUT THEN WHEN WE FIND THIS THING COMING IN, WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST WRONG. 30 SECONDS. THIS IS JUST WRONG. WE'RE BEING IN A, IN A LOT OF WAYS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SET ASIDE TO ACCOMMODATE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HASN'T HAD THE TIME OR THE ENERGY OR WHATEVER TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE GOOD DECISIONS AND, AND COME UP WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT PROCESS TO DO THIS. AND, UH, I'M JUST VERY OPPOSED TO THIS WHOLE THING. AND I THINK IF, UH, IT'S PASSED, IF IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, SITUATION HAS CHANGED IN SOME SENSE, IT WILL JUST REALLY PUT A, A GREAT, UH, THAT'S TOO MANY PROBLEM ON THE DEAL. SORRY FOR THE OVERTIME. . THANK YOU. MARK UNGER, FOLLOWED BY JANET GROIN. JEAN. HI EVERYBODY. MY NAME'S MARK UNER, 1 32 BRYN MA. I HAVE THE REST OF THOSE PICTURES THAT I'LL CIRCULATE FROM KATHY WILLOW, IF I MAY. YOU WANT ME TO DO IT? I MAY JUST, I WON'T DO IT. HE'LL DO IT. UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH, UH, MORE TO ADD. THAT HASN'T ALREADY. BUT I THINK THE KEY HERE IS, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY BAD PEOPLE. UH, I DON'T THINK THIS GENTLEMAN IS A BAD PERSON, UH, FOR WANTING TO MAKE MONEY. I THINK HE MESSED UP. I THINK HE MESSED UP. AND I THINK, UH, HE'S TRYING TO SHIFT THE BURDEN. UH, AND I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS IT OPENS A SLIPPERY SLOPE. IT OPENS A DOOR TO OTHER THINGS. THERE IS, IS ONE RENTAL UNIT THERE IN THIS GENTLEMAN'S, UH, PROPERTY THAT HE'S TRYING TO CONVERT TO, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT, MULTI-USE OR, YOU KNOW, MULTI-DWELLING OR WHATEVER THE PROPER TERM IS, UH, ACROSS THE STREETS. THERE'S REGULARLY, UH, APPROXIMATELY THREE CARS THAT USUALLY ARE RIGHT OUT THERE ACROSS THE STREET. THERE ARE TWO RENTAL UNITS. IF THOSE RENTAL UNITS THEN WERE CONVERTED IN THE SAME EXACT MANNER AS IS BEING SOUGHT HERE TODAY, UH, THAT COULD, UH, BLOW UP THE NUMBER OF CARS TO 12 WITHIN A 200 YARD AREA IF THOSE WERE THEN EXPANDED. AND THOSE BEYOND THAT AND BEYOND THAT AND BEYOND THAT, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UH, AFTER AN APPROVAL LIKE THIS, THEY WOULD BE VERY, UH, A VERY HARD THING TO CHALLENGE AND SAY, WELL, WHY'D YOU APPROVE IT FOR THE FIRST ONE AND NOT THE SECOND AND THE THIRD AND THE FOURTH, ET CETERA. IT WOULD COMPLETELY CHANGE NOT JUST THE FABRIC OF WHAT WAS DESCRIBED EARLY AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO AS, AS THE STRUCTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF. 30 SECONDS IT WOULD CHANGE IT. THANK YOU. IT WOULD CHANGE THE WAY, UH, THAT IT WAS, THAT IT IS GOING TO EXIST FOR THE FUTURE FROM NOT ONLY THE WAY IT HAS IN THE PAST. UH, ALSO, AND ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED, UH, THAT, THAT I'VE SEEN SPOUTED AND, AND AND SAID LIKE, UH, [03:05:01] CONSISTENCY, ADVERSE IMPACT, SUITABILITY, UH, PUBLIC POLICY, ET CETERA. UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS WE'RE CHANGING, UM, THE ABILITY, UH, FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY OWN AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO RENT TO PEOPLE THAT CAN JUST SOLELY RENT. AND THAT IS, THAT'S TWO MINUTES, THAT IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT I THINK IS VERY DANGEROUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JEAN. I'M SORRY, JANET FOLLOWED BY F DONALDSON. HELLO. YOU HAVE FOUR MINUTES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU. UM, I'M JANET ROGIN AND I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF THE TERRELL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND, UM, MARI, UM, BOYD HAS WRITTEN A LETTER THAT I WOULD LIKE TO READ TO YOU 'CAUSE I'M SPEAKING AS A BOARD MEMBER FROM THE TERRELL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, THIS LETTER SERVES AS OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING OF 1 5 3 BRYN MAWR DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 9. FROM R FOUR LOW DENSITY TO R FOUR C D A H O D. THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THE TERRELL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SINCE THE CONTEMPLATED REZONING HAS BEEN PROPOSED, WE'VE RECEIVED MANY EMAILS AND VERBAL COMPLAINTS, CONCERNS AND APPREHENSIONS FROM VARIOUS ASSOCIATION MEMBERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. REGARDING THE PROPOSED REZONING BRENMAR, THE STREET THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON ALREADY HAS A HIGHER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAN THE BALANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAS GREATER STREET PARKING DENSITY AND VERY LITTLE LIGHTING AT NIGHT. ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL RESIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED ON THIS PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCES. IT WILL EXACERBATE THESE CONDITIONS EVEN FURTHER. ADDITIONALLY, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT NEITHER RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY IS OWNER OCCUPIED, WHICH MAKES THIS PURELY AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY. AS SUCH, THERE'S A CONCERN OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE AT HAND THAT SHOULD BE THIS PROPOSED REZONING BE APPROVED. OTHER INVESTORS, WHICH OWN PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY BE BE EMBOLDENED TO CONSTRUCT SIMILAR STRUCTURES, ALSO IN VIOLATION OF EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCES, ALL FOR THEIR OWN PECUNIARY GAIN WITHOUT CONSIDERATION FOR THE COLLATERAL EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IMPORTANTLY, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A BLOCK THAT CONSISTS OF ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. THIS MAY BE A PLACE FOR MULTI, THERE MAY BE A PLACE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES, APARTMENTS, OR DUPLEXES, BUT THAT PLACE IS NOT DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK THAT'S CONSTITUTED BY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. IN SHORT, THIS PROPOSED REZONING IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH A SINGLE FAMILY STREET IN A SUBSTANTIALLY SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR MAIN GOAL AS THE TERRELL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARE TO BEAUTIFY, IMPROVE RELATIONS, PROMOTE PRIDE, AND ENGAGE OUR HOMEOWNERS IN A SENSE OF COMMUNITY WITH ONE ANOTHER. THIS PROPOSED REZONING OF APPROVED WOULD POSE A SAFETY CONCERN, WHICH THAT A PRECEDENT OF DISREGARDING EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCES AND IS COUNTER TO OUR ASSOCIATION GOALS. FINALLY, OUR RESEARCH APPEARS TO REVEAL THE ADDITIONAL RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH WAS THE CATALYST FOR THE REZONING REQUEST WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT THE PROPER PERMITS. TO THE EXTENT THAT INFORMATION IS RELEVANT TO YOUR ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER TO APPROVE THE REZONING, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONFIRM THAT YOURSELVES AND GIVE IT A DUE CONSIDERATION. WE BELIEVE IT DESERVES. WE'VE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THIS PROPERTY REMAIN AS R FOUR LOW DENSITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU F DONALDSON. GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, CHAIRPERSON AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS. I'M FRED DONALDSON AND FOR 36, UH, 36 YEARS I'VE LIVED AT ONE 11 GREENWICH BOULEVARD IN TARRELL HEIGHTS. UH, IN THE ENSUING YEARS, UH, THINGS HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT. UH, WHEN I MOVED IN AND IT WAS VERY QUIET, OUR BOREAL VIRTUALLY FREE OF LITTER, UM, AS THE OLDER PEOPLE PASSED AWAY AND THE PROPERTIES CHANGED HANDS, THERE WERE QUITE A, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF RE REMODELLING GOING ON AND, UH, SOME OF IT I'M NOT TOO PROUD OF. BUT, UM, I ESPECIALLY, AND, AND BY THE WAY, WHEN I MOVED IN, THERE WAS VERY, VERY FEW RENTALS. IT WAS MOSTLY HOMEOWNERS. UH, I EXHORT YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST AND FOR, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF AESTHETIC REASONS, BUT MOST ESPECIALLY FOR THE TRAFFIC. UH, I LIVE ON A CORNER AND THERE'S ALREADY, UH, MUCH MORE TRAFFIC THAN, UH, THE STREETS SHOULD ACCOMMODATE. UH, THE BRYN MAWR IS ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, AS SOMEONE HAS POINTED OUT, THERE'S CARS BCH, WE PARKED, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM, YOU KNOW, CORNER TO CORNER ALONG THAT PARTICULAR BRO, UH, BLOCK. UH, WHEN I'M DRIVING ON THAT STREET, I HAVE TO PULL OVER TO LET SOMEONE ELSE PASS ME. SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THREE OR [03:10:01] FOUR CARS AT THIS RESIDENCE AND THEN THE POSSIBILITY OF MORE PROPERTIES, UH, FALLING 30 SECONDS FALLING VICTIM TO, TO THIS CHANGE THAT THE PR, THE, IT WOULD JUST BE HORRIBLE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. OKAY. UM, THE APPLICANT LIKE, UH, TIME TO RESPOND TO THE COMMISSION. INK IN MY PEN TO WRITE ALL THAT DOWN, BUT I'LL TRY. UM, WE HAVE ANOTHER RENT HOUSE IN THE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH PROBABLY DOESN'T BODE WELL FOR ME, BUT THAT RENTER HAS LIVED THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. UH, WROTE A LOVELY LETTER TO THE CITY. I THINK IT'S ON FILE. I DO NOT KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. UM, BUT THEY TALKED VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT HOW QUICKLY WE DO TRY TO RESPOND TO PROBLEMS. WE DON'T USE A LEASING COMPANY. IT IS, COMES DIRECTLY TO MY WIFE AND I AND IF WE GET OVER THERE AND TRY TO FIX IT, IF WE CAN'T, WE WILL CALL SOMEBODY THAT CAN. I WILL CERTAINLY GIVE MY NUMBER OUT TO EVERYBODY, UH, IN CASE THERE'S AN ISSUE, THEY CAN CALL ME DIRECTLY. UM, AGAIN, WE STARTED THIS PROJECT UNFORTUNATELY WITH A BAD CONTRACTOR AND I REALIZE NOT, NOT TO ASK FORGIVENESS FOR THAT. UM, IN MAY THE PERMITS WERE PULLED OF 2018. NOT ONE THING ABOUT THE PROPERTY WAS SAID UNTIL THE SIGN WENT IN TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO, NOT ONE. SO, UH, SOME OF THE REBUTTALS THAT I TRY TO WRITE DOWN QUICKLY, UM, YOU CAN TELL IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO THIS MAP, TERRELL HEIGHTS IS NOT A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. BRENMAR HAS AN ENTIRE BLOCK, THE 400 BLOCK, EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IS A FOURPLEX, A THREE TO FOURPLEX. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S HERE. IT'S NOT. TERRELL HEIGHTS IS A SINGLE FAMILY ONLY. PLEASE LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL DAY. THEY'RE ALL TWO STORY HOUSES. THEY'RE ALL NOW AGAIN, SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT I SHOWED, I WAS NOT TRYING TO ATTACK ANYBODY. THE HOUSE THAT WE HAD UP A MINUTE AGO, THE PURPLE HOUSE AND THE BROWN HOUSE, YOUR HOUSE IS LOVELY. YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. I WAS TRYING TO SHOW THAT THERE ARE MASSIVE STRUCTURES BEHIND HOUSES AND I THOUGHT THAT I MAY BE HAVING TO DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST THAT. OURS IS A SINGLE STORY, 460 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I INCLUDED THE OTHER LARGE HOUSES. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE HEARD. IF I LIVED IN THE FRONT HOUSE, I COULD DO WHATEVER I WANT TO THE BACK HOUSE AND RENT IT OUT TO WHOEVER I WANT. I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T. I WAS TRYING TO SET MY FAMILY UP, UH, FOR BETTER, BETTER PURPOSES DOWN THE ROAD WITH HAVING THIS TRIED TO PAY OFF BY THE TIME I RETIRE FROM TEACHING AND THEN HAVE SOME INCOME. AND I'M SORRY AGAIN THAT WE HAVE ENDED UP HERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUE QUESTIONS FOR ME? WE MIGHT. UM, YES. SO IF YOU'LL JUST STAY NEARBY, ABSOLUTELY. I WILL STAY STANDING. UH, OKAY. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND, BUT JUST STAY NEARBY. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH, I'VE UH, OBVIOUSLY BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AND ANALYZING IT OVER THE PAST, UH, WEEK OR SO. UM, I'VE GOT MY THOUGHTS, BUT I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME. OKAY. UM, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. UH, COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES, SIR. AND I, I, I REMEMBER YOU SAYING ABOUT, UM, UH, REGULATIONS OF THAT THERE, UM, ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET. IS IT, SO YOUR INTENT WAS THAT THE PARKING FOR THE REAR HOUSE WOULD BE IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PARKING FOR THE FRONT HOUSE WOULD TRYING TO JUST WORK OUT WHAT? WELL, WELL TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE ARE UNFORTUNATE A LITTLE RIGHT NOW. EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE HAD LIVE IN THE HOUSE TYPICALLY HAS HAD TWO CARS. UH, THE COUPLE THAT LIVES THERE NOW, UM, HAS A DAUGHTER THAT LIVES WITH THEM AND SHE HAS HER OWN CAR AND OCCASIONALLY HAS PEOPLE OVER. SO THERE GENERALLY IS A CAR. WHAT WE HAD PLANNED ON DOING WAS HAVE THE STREET FOR THE BACK HALF, THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE FRONT HALF. I DID APPROACH LORIANNE AS SOON AS I RECEIVED A CALL FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING IN A CIRCLE DRIVE, UM, THAT IS ALLOWABLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND WE COULD RESEARCH THAT. I'LL BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, WE PROBABLY NEED TO GET THROUGH PAYING OFF THIS BEFORE WE LOOKED AT ADDING A $10,000 DRIVEWAY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD IN THE FUTURE AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T TAKE OUT ANY OF THE TREES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THANK [03:15:01] YOU SIR. THANKS. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FOR STAFF WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, NORTHEAST INTERLOOP PLAN. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH SAYS THAT IT ALLOWS DUPLEXES, GRANNY FLATS AND GARAGE APARTMENTS. UM, COULD YOU GIMME AN IDEA OF WHAT EACH OF THOSE MEANS? SO WHAT WOULD THE CITY CONSIDER TO BE A DUPLEX? WOULD IT BE A STRUCTURE THAT IS ONE STRUCTURE WITH TWO UNITS IN IT AND MULTIPLE ENTRANCES? WOULD THAT BE TWO DETACHED STRUCTURES? I DO BELIEVE A DUPLEX IS WHEN IT IS ATTACHED, LIKE TWO UNITS IN ONE ATTACHED STRUCTURE. SO IF THIS REAR UNIT WERE TO BE ATTACHED EVEN JUST BY A HALLWAY OR SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A REZONING. IT WOULD BE A DUPLEX, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT. AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. BUT, BUT THIS IS NOT A DUPLEX. UM, SO THEN A GRANNY FLAT OR GARAGE APARTMENT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE CITY CONSIDER THOSE TO BE AND ARE THERE ANY REQUIREMENTS WITH RESPECT TO WHO, UH, RESIDES IN THOSE UNITS? YES, WE CONSIDER THAT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. THAT'S WHAT IT'S DEFINED AS IN THE CODE. AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ARE ONE THAT THE PROPERTIES OWNER OCCUPIED, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN THE FRONT UNIT OR THE REAR UNIT. UM, AND THE OTHER WOULD BE SIZE REQUIREMENTS. SO, UH, THE REAR STRUCTURE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO EXCEED 40% OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE RANGE OF 300 TO 800 SQUARE FEET. UM, SO THIS, THIS UNIT THAT HE IS PROPOSING, IT FALLS WITHIN THOSE SIZE, UM, CRITERIA. UH, THE ONLY ISSUE IS THAT HE DOES NOT LIVE ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THANKS. UM, AND ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE 300 BLOCK OF BRYN MA IS ZONED MF 33, BUT IS DESIGNATED ALSO FOR THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. IS THAT, CAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE HAVE THAT ZONING THERE? PROBABLY BECAUSE THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, IT DIDN'T HAVE THE SECOND STEP FOR IMPLEMENTATION TO DO A LARGE AREA REZONING. MANY OF THE PLANS WERE ADOPTED IN THAT, IN THAT SENSE. BUT MF 33 DOES ALLOW BY RIGHT. A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. YOU JUST HAVE TO BILL TO OUR FOUR STANDARDS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER BUSANTE. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT IN FACT IS HAPPENING AT THE 300 BLOCK OF BRYN MAWR, RIGHT? THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE R FOUR. THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE IT, AT LEAST FROM THE MAJORITY OF IT APPEAR. THEY APPEAR TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AT LEAST WHAT WE CAN TELL ON GOOGLE MAPS, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS, UH, TO STAFF. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR APPROVING WITH THE CONDITIONS. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT, THAT SOMEONE, THE OWNER LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE APARTMENTS? ONE OF THOSE DWELLINGS? THE, THE, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE REAR UNIT NOT EXCEED ONE STORY AND HE HAS IT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AS IT BEING NINE FEET. OH, UH, I'M SORRY. HOW MUCH IN BUILDING PHASE IS THAT UNIT? IS IT COMPLETELY BUILT? SO THE FIRST CONTRACTOR, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE FIRST CONTRACTOR THAT HE HIRED THAT UM, EVIDENTLY LET HIM ASTRAY, SAID THAT HE PULLED ALL THE PROPER PERMITS, UM, BUILT THE STRUCTURE ESSENTIALLY IT'S JUST LIKE A SHELL AND THE INSIDE IS NOT BUILT OUT YET. SO HE CAN KEEP IT AS IT IS, AS WE CAN SEE IT, UM, ON THE OUTSIDE. BUT INSIDE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE STORY. IT CANNOT BE A TWO STORY, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. UNLESS THERE'S OTHER CONDITIONS THAT ARE, UM, TIED TO THE ORDINANCE APPROVED BY COUNSEL SUCH AS LIMITATION AND SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN ADDITION TO THE STORY LIMITATION. SO THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME MODIFICATION IF COUNSEL CHOOSES TO DO THAT. OKAY. AND, ALRIGHT, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, I, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO RES SOLVE A PROBLEM HERE OTHER THAN TEARING HIS STRUCTURE DOWN. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU'RE SOLVING THAT PROBLEM. SO IF HE CHOOSES TO, HE CAN HAVE THE INSIDE, UM, BUILT OUT WITHOUT A KITCHEN AND IF IT DOES NOT HAVE A KITCHEN AND IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A DWELLING UNIT AND IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE FOR THE MAIN HOME, BUT OF COURSE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE MARKETED OR RENTED SEPARATELY FROM THE MAIN HOME. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY, THEN TO THE APPLICANT, I GUESS? YES MA'AM. YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT? YES MA'AM. OKAY. YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT IS NOT A TWO-STORY HOUSE. UM, IT'S [03:20:01] KIND OF A MID-CENTURY MODERN, WHICH I REALIZED DOESN'T FIT IN. THAT WAS WHAT WE PICKED FROM LOOKING AT TINY HOUSES. FRONT SLOPE HAS A EIGHT AND A HALF FOOT DOOR AND IT SLOPES TO A 12 AND A HALF FOOT PEAK, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE THERE AT THE FRONT. AGAIN, WE GOT STOPPED IN MID PHASE. THIS HAS NOT BEEN PAINTED, HAD NOT BEEN FINISHED OUT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PICTURES FROM THE BACK, IT THERE IS WOOD EVERYWHERE. IT IS A WORK SITE THAT LITERALLY SOMEBODY SAID, DO NOT STEP FOOT AGAIN ON THIS PROPERTY UNTIL WE FIGURE IT OUT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WORKING WITH THE CITY, UM, THAT IF IT IS NOT APPROVED, WHICH I DIDN'T, WHICH IS OKAY, UH, I UNDERSTAND THEN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS FINISH IT OUT ESSENTIALLY AS AN EXTRA BEDROOM AND A BATHROOM THAT IS JUST DETACHED. MAYBE AN ARTIST STUDIO. WE'D HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE AND IT WOULD ALWAYS BE TIED TO THAT FRONT STRUCTURE. UM, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PLAN B, WE'VE TALKED TO THE CURRENT RENTERS. THE DAUGHTER THAT DOES LIVE THERE, THAT HAS ONE OF THE THIRD CARS HAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, UH, DOING THAT AND MOVING IN THERE SO SHE CAN GIVE HER TWO MOTHERS SPACE. UM, WE WOULD TAKE DOWN THE FENCE THAT I THINK YOU SAW IN MANY PICTURES. WE GOT WAY AHEAD OF OURSELVES, UM, PUTTING A FENCE ACROSS THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE HAD RENTERS THERE CURRENTLY. AND WE SAID, HEY, WE ARE GONNA TRY TO DO THIS STRUCTURE. WE'RE GONNA PUT THE FENCE UP FOR YOUR DOG, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A WORKSPACE. UM, WE WOULD MOVE THAT BACK TO WHERE THAT GARAGE, A GARAGE APARTMENT WOULD ALL BE WITHIN OUR FENCE AND WE WOULD JUST RENT IT AS AN ADDITIONAL SPACE UNIT. OKAY. I SORRY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION. I'M A LITTLE BIT PUZZLED WHY YOU DID YOUR DUE DILIGENCE NOW AND YOU COME TO ZONING WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION. WELL, BUT NOT PRIOR TO, TO BUILDING. I MEAN, I MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, BUT OKAY. NO, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TO ANSWER IT BECAUSE, WELL, THE OPTICS OF IT DON'T LOOK VERY WELL. WE HAVE TO OWN, WE HAVE TO OWN UP TO IT. I DON'T MAYBE ALL OF YOU GUYS. I MEAN, WE'VE DONE LOTS OF FIXING UP OF HOUSES. T TYPICALLY MY WIFE AND I DID IT. WE FLIPPED A COUPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE WE GOT THIS ONE. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES I'VE EVER ACTUALLY HIRED A CONTRACTOR FOR MORE THAN A SMALL THING. I ASSUMED THAT WHEN I WAS WRITING $15,000 CHECKS TO HIM AND HE SAID HE WAS GONNA GET PERMITS FROM THE CITY THAT I DIDN'T NEED TO COME CHECK ON HIM. I HAVE ENOUGH THINGS GOING ON IN MY LIFE WITH THREE TEENAGE KIDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT I JUST TOOK HIM AS HIS WORD. AND HE SAID HE PULLED PERMITS, WHICH HE DID PULL PERMITS. HE JUST PULLED THE WRONG PERMITS. I I, I GET THAT. I, AND I UNDERSTAND IT. UM, OKAY, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO HE BROUGHT UP THE FENCE 'CAUSE I WAS REALLY CONFUSED ABOUT THE WHOLE FENCE THING. SO, UH, LET ME JUST ASK THAT. SO IS THAT ALLOWABLE? SO LIKE IF YOU HAVE, LIKE, UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO, UM, SPLIT YOUR HOUSE FROM YOUR ACCESSORY DWELLING, U DWELLING UNIT WITH A FENCE? YES. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN FENCE OFF ANY PART OF YOUR PROPERTY. UM, HE WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT ASKING TO SUBDIVIDE IT. AND I THINK THAT'S LED TO SOME CONFUSION. BUT AM I, I BELIEVE YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT A FENCE. I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN'T PUT A FENCE HIGHER THAN, UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF RESTRICTION. OKAY. BUT YOU CAN FENCE OFF ANY PART OF YOUR YARD. IT LOOKS, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO SEPARATE FENCES FOR DOGS. OH, OKAY. WITHIN, WITHIN THEIR YARD IT LOOKS LIKE SUBDIVIDING. 'CAUSE LIKE THERE'S NO FENCE IN THE BACK AND THE HOUSE IS FACING THE BACK. AND THEN, UH, BUT YOU CAN HAVE INTERNAL FENCING INSIDE A PERIMETER FENCE, SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T, UM, MAX OUT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION AND PULL A PERMIT. OH, LIKE, IS IT, BUT THEN THE, UH, THE FENCE IN THE BACK IS GONE. SO IS THAT LIKE INTERNAL OR IS THAT NOW EXTERNAL? NO. NO. OKAY. OKAY. NEVERMIND. DON'T ANSWER. AND REMEMBER, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED. RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A FENCE. I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING. OKAY. NO, . OKAY. NOW I, SO I HAVE A, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, SO, SO I GUESS, IS IT BECAUSE THEY ASKED YOU TO STOP IS WHY YOU DIDN'T GO AND, UM, GET DUE PERMITS? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, YEAH. YEAH. SO I, I'M SORRY. I TRIED TO SPELL IT OUT EARLIER. WHEN, WHEN WE FIRED THE ORIGINAL CONTRACTOR, WE WERE TOLD GRACIOUSLY BY HIM THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO WORK UNDER THE ALREADY PULLED PERMITS. SO WE SHORED UP THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE IT WAS, I MEAN, THERE, IT WAS NOT WEATHERPROOFED OR ANYTHING ELSE. OUR NEW CONTRACTOR CAME DOWN TO CHECK ON THOSE TO MAKE SURE, KIND OF SEE WHERE WE WERE AT, UH, MAKE SURE WE HAD THE APPROPRIATE ELECTRICAL FOR ROUGH, IN, ROUGH IN PLUMBING, ALL THAT. AND THAT'S WHEN HE SAID, WELL, WE, WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE. THE PERMITS THAT THE OTHER GUY PULLED WAS THIS, AND NOW WE HAVE TO GO INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DO WE DO MODE? UM, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE LED TO THIS, THAT HE CAME DOWN AND TALKED, UM, TO THE OFF, UM, TO THE OFFICE. I CAME DOWN AND TALKED TO THE OFFICE AND SAID, LOOK, WE ARE ALREADY HERE, AND IT'S VERY EASY TO SAY WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BACK HERE OR SHOULD HAVE CHECKED PROPERLY, AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT HOW CAN WE BEST GO ABOUT FIXING THE PROBLEM NOW AND BEING TOTALLY TRANSPARENT AS WE GO FORWARD? [03:25:02] THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER WHITE. OKAY. UM, WELL, I JUST, I WANT TO START BY JUST THANKING EVERYBODY HERE TODAY. UM, TO ME THIS IS EXACTLY HOW A CONTESTED, UH, ZONING CASE SHOULD GO. UH, YOU KNOW, THIS HAD THE POTENTIAL FOR NEIGHBORS TO BE UP HERE, NAME CALLING, YELLING AT, YELLING AT EACH OTHER, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'VE SEEN IT BEFORE, UM, BUT NONE OF THAT OCCURRED TODAY. UM, EVERYBODY WAS VERY RESPECTFUL, UM, AND WE REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, UM, TO THE APPLICANT. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, AND BY THE WAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AS A TEACHER. GOD'S WORK AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UM, EDUCATING, UH, THE YOUTH OF THE COUNTRY. THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT. AND THANK, SO, THANK YOU. I'M SORRY THAT YOU RAN INTO THIS ISSUE WITH THE CONTRACTOR. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, I, I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I SEE THINGS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME. AND, UM, THERE ARE JUST SOME UNETHICAL FOLKS OUT THERE THAT LEAVE PEOPLE IN A BAD SITUATION. AND SO I'M, I'M SORRY THAT THAT HAPPENED TO YOU. THAT SAID, I KNOW THIS AREA WELL VERY WELL. I HAVE, UH, WALKED DOOR TO DOOR, UM, UP AND DOWN THIS STREET, ACTUALLY. AND, UM, IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IT REALLY IS A VERY, UH, FAMILY FRIENDLY, UM, PLACE TO BE. UH, AND I CAN SEE WHY SO MANY OF YOU WANTED TO SHOW UP TODAY TO, TO REALLY PROTECT WHAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I WILL NOT, I WILL BE MAKING A MOTION TO, UM, DENY, UH, THIS ITEM, UM, FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE, THE DENSITY ISSUE. IF EVERYBODY ON THIS STREET WAS ALLOWED TO DECIDE TO MOVE, BUT HANG ONTO THE PROPERTY, BUILD A SECOND STRUCTURE ON IT, RENT OUT BOTH STRUCTURES, UM, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE THERE. UM, IT WOULD FRANKLY BE CHAOS WITH CARS AND PARKING AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THE REST OF IT. UH, SO, UH, THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT, UM, CARRIES SOME WEIGHT WITH ME, UM, ON, ON THIS ONE FOR SURE. UH, SECONDLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, I, I KNOW THE CONTRACTOR DID WHAT HE DID, BUT TO, TO HAVE THIS THING BUILT WITHOUT THE PROPER PERMITS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TRY TO SORT OF DO THIS FROM THE BACKWARDS FRONT, JUST, IT WOULD'VE SET A REALLY BAD PRECEDENT, UM, MOVING FORWARD. UH, AND FINALLY, UH, IT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, COUNCILMAN PERRY, UH, IS A, IS A, JUST A BIG, BIG NEIGHBORHOOD PERSON, AND AS AM I, AND HE NEVER WANTS, NOR DO I EVER WANT TO SEE THE CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, BE DESTROYED. UM, AND AGAIN, NOT THAT THIS WOULD DESTROY IT, BUT AGAIN, THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE FOLKS DOING THINGS LIKE THIS COULD REALLY ALTER THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHICH SO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, UH, HAVE PURCHASED HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL AND, AND FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENT THERE ON THE STREET. AND ALLOWING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK COULD CHANGE THAT. SO, UM, WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, DENY ITEM 21 SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL WITH A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER SIPES ANOTHER TOUGH CASE. UM, I WANNA THANK THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, THE APPLICANT. UM, I RECOGNIZED MY WIFE IS A TEACHER AND I RECOGNIZED TEACHER ORGANIZATION WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR HANDOUT. UM, I'M, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR DENIAL. UM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THE, THE DENSITY IS THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S SWAYING ME. WHAT'S SWAYING ME IS THE ARGUMENT OF HAVING THE, THE TWO RENTAL PROPERTIES. UM, UH, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I LIVE IN, WE HAVE A LOT OF, OF THE GRANNY [03:30:01] FLATS WHERE, UM, YOU'VE GOT THE OWNER LIVING IN THE FRONT AND THEY'VE RENTED OUT THE DETACHED GARAGE THAT IS SOMETIMES SEPARATED LIKE MINE IS WITH A FENCE JUST LIKE THAT. UM, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE DENSITY OF, OF ANOTHER FAMILY LIVING THERE, IT'S THE, UH, OWNER OCCUPIED ASPECT OF IT. UM, AND SO IF THIS WERE AT THE INTERSECTION OR CORNER LOT OR SOMETHING AT THE PERIPHERY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE THE, THE, THE CD. UM, BUT FOR ITS LOCATION AND FOR ITS, UH, KEEPING THE OWNER OCCUPIED ASPECT OF IT, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL. UM, AND IT APPEARS THAT YOU DO HAVE A, A REALLY GOOD WORKAROUND FOR, UM, HAVING A, UM, ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT COULD BE RENTED OUT. SO, SO THAT, THAT, I, I COMMEND YOU ON THAT. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER SIPES, THE DENSITY IS NOT SO MUCH AN ISSUE FOR ME BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION, THE ALLOWANCE FOR DUPLEX PLUS AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT IF WE HAD AN OWNER OCCUPIED SITUATION. SO WE COULD HAVE UP TO THREE DWELLING UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, HOWEVER, UM, I HAVE SOME OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THIS CASE. UM, THE, UM, AND THEY TEND TO BE MORE TECHNICAL, UM, BASED ON MY QUESTIONS. SO THE DUPLEX, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ALL-IN-ONE, OR IF IT WAS A GRANNY FLAT OR UM, A GARAGE APARTMENT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED. SO VERY TECHNICAL DEFINITION BASED DECISION FROM THAT REGARD. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT, THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING WITHIN THE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AS DEFINED BY THE PLAN IN THAT AREA. UM, LIKE COMMISSIONER WHITE, UM, THE SLIPPERY SLOPE AND DANGEROUS PRECEDENT AR UH, ARGUMENTS ARE, ARE VERY PERSUASIVE. PERSUASIVE FOR ME, CONSIDERING THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SPECULATIVE DEVELOPERS. AND BY NO MEANS DO I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU OR THAT THAT'S WHO YOU ARE. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SET THAT PRECEDENT UP HERE, UM, BY KIND OF BACKING BACKDOORING INTO THESE, THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE SOMEONE WHO MAYBE DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME INTENTIONS AS YOU COULD COME UP HERE AND MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY THE SAME OBJECTIVES, AND WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT OBJECTIVELY. SO WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST SAY, WE, WE LIKE YOU, WE THINK YOU'RE A GOOD GUY. WE HAVE TO BE, UM, OBJECTIVE IN OUR APPLICATION. UM, ALSO ON A PERSONAL NOTE, SO I HAVE A KIND OF A SIMILAR SITUATION. I HAVE, MY HOUSES ARE FIVE AND I HAVE THREE UNITS ON MY PROPERTY, MY HOUSE, AND I HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS, ONE OF WHICH IS RENTED OUT. THE OTHER ONE I CANNOT RENT OUT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE PROPER ZONING. SO I KIND OF UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WE THOUGHT LIKE, OH, THIS IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL INCOME, BUT THE ZONING DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THAT. UM, SO I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM FROM THAT REGARD. UM, FINALLY, UM, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY UNIFORM WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY R FOUR, SO THERE'S NO RMMS OR R FOUR WITH CD. SO I THINK IN KEEPING WITH THE CONFORMITY OF THE ZONING, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBONS. UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE THOUGHTS AND I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I DO LIKE TO THINK THAT GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO HELP SOLVE PROBLEMS TOO AND SERVE YOU. UM, AND THEY WOULD HAVE HAD WE DONE THINGS THE THE RIGHT WAY, BUT TWO THOUGHTS, UM, ON BEHALF OF YOU, THE A HOMEOWNER WHO DIDN'T DO THE DUE DILIGENCE, YOU WOULD'VE BEEN SAVED, RIGHT? WE KNOW THAT. BUT ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION, AND I'M JUST GONNA GIVE THIS EXAMPLE FOR FUTURE THOUGHT AS YOUR ASSOCIATION, AND I'M PART OF MY ASSOCIATION, BUT YESTERDAY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE HAD A BURGLARY TAKE PLACE AND THE INDIVIDUAL WENT INTO THE HOUSE, TOOK, TOOK A TV, GOES WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH A TV, BIG TV IN HIS HAND. NOBODY STOPS HIM, BUT ONE PERSON BECAUSE ONE PERSON THOUGHT THAT LOOKS REALLY OUT OF PLACE. AND IT WAS. AND TWO HOURS LATER, THEY CAUGHT HIM, HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MAYBE SAW THAT AND APPROACHED HIM, SAID, THAT LOOKS OUTTA PLACE, MAYBE THEN ALL OF US, THIS GENTLEMAN AND THE PRECEDENT THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA REMAIN THERE. SO THE PRECEDENT COULD GO ON, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T REZONE IT, [03:35:01] RIGHT? IT COULD STILL GO ON. SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. YOU KNOW, AS ASSOCIATIONS, WE DO KIND OF LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, EVERYTHING GOING ON AROUND US, UH, SOMETIMES TOO MUCH, RIGHT? UM, BUT JUST THAT, THAT'S MY FUTURE THOUGHT, BUT I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT THE COMMISSIONER DOES. I WISH YOU ALL WELL, IT IS, IT IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE. IT'S SO PEACEFUL. I I BET YOU HAVE NO CARDINALS OUTSIDE YOUR WINDOW AND SQUIRRELS ON YOUR ROOFS. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMONTE. SO, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TO REPEAT KIND OF WHAT COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAVE SAID, ONE THING I I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR ABOUT IS FOR THE APPLICANT, I, I DON'T FIND YOU IN SOME SENSE CULPABLE. I DO FEEL LIKE YOU WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, AND I'M SORRY YOU ENDED UP IN THAT SITUATION. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL. ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, COMMENTS, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. YES. COMMISSIONER HUEY? YES. COMMISSIONER TOSEN? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBONS? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER BUSTAMANTE? YES. MADAM CHAIR? YES. MOTION PASSES FOR DENIAL. NINE ZERO, RIGHT. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT, UM, MADE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE END. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UH, WISH YOU A GREAT REST OF YOUR WEEK. UM, WE ARE NOW ON, UM, TO, UM, THE [22. 20-1962 Consideration and Approval of the February 4, 2020 Zoning Commission Minutes] CONSIDERATION OF OUR MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY, UH, FOURTH MEETING. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? WE, WE DID MAKE, UM, A QUICK AMENDMENT ONCE WE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER HUEY. SO WE'VE, UH, PROVIDED THAT CORRECTION ALREADY. AND SO IF IF THERE'S NO OTHER CORRECTIONS, THEY COULD BE APPROVED AS AMENDED. AS CORRECTED. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE THOSE CORRECTED MINUTES IN MY HAND. AND, UM, HI EVERYBODY. WE'RE STILL CONDUCTING SOME BUSINESS. IF Y'ALL COULD GO TO THE LOBBY, PLEASE. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . ALRIGHT. SO, UM, HEARING NONE THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS, UH, CORRECTED, I GUESS. I MEAN, HEARING NO OBJECTION, . ALRIGHT, [23. 20-2099 Consideration of an appointment of a member of the Zoning Commission to serve as an Alternate for the Planning Commission Technical Advisory Committee for the remainder of a term to expire 04/26/2021.] NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSIDERATION OF AN APPOINTMENT OF A MEMBER OF THE ZONING COMMISSION TO SERVE AS THE ALTERNATE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY FOR THE REMAINDER OF A TERM TO EXPIRE, UM, APRIL 26TH, 2021. AND DO I OPEN UP THE FLOOR OR DO YOU OKAY, YOU, YOU CAN TAKE NOMINATIONS. OH, OKAY. UH, THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL WITH HER CONSENT AS STATED TO ME ON THE PHONE TODAY, FEBRUARY THE 18TH AT APPROXIMATELY 11:30 AM SECOND. SECOND, BUT ALL OF THE, EXCEPT FOR ALL OF THE OTHER EXTRANEOUS . ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? OKAY, IF NOT, THEN, UM, UM, UH, I GUESS A VOICE VOTE. UH UH. OKAY. OR HA LOOK, OH, I, SOMEBODY SAID VOICE. SOMEBODY SAID HAND. NO, NO, NO. . WHICHEVER ONE I WANT. OKAY. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THE AYES HAVE IT. ALL RIGHT. AND IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, UM, BESIDES, THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I LOVE TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S DIVERSE OPINIONS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.