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ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4TH, 2020.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE?
[Roll Call]
FERNANDEZ HERE, FISH HERE.UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING.
[Chairman’s Statement]
REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL.I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION WILL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO IS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
[Announcements]
ANNOUNCEMENTS.UM, WE HAVE A SHORT AGENDA TODAY, BUT LET'S GET STARTED.
UM, WE ARE HOSTING A PUBLIC MEETING NEXT THURSDAY, MARCH 12TH REGARDING PROPOSED U D C AMENDMENTS, UH, BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
UM, THAT MEETING'S GONNA BEGIN AT 6:00 PM AT THE LYONS FIELD, UM, CENTER ON BROADWAY.
IT'S FREE AND OPEN TO ANYBODY.
UM, IT'S MOSTLY GEARED TOWARD RESIDENTS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT IF YOU'RE JUST, UM, INTERESTED IN WHAT WE HAVE, UM, TO SAY OR WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE 2020 UPDATE CYCLE, YOU'RE FREE TO JOIN.
UM, AND THEN REHAB ORAMA IS OUR BIG EVENT IN APRIL, APRIL 4TH.
UM, SO VOLUNTEER REGISTRATION IS ONLINE NOW.
UM, WE ARE TACKLING WORK ON ABOUT 18 TO 20 HOUSES ON THE WEST SIDE, UM, ON THE 2300 TO 2,600, NO, 2300 TO 2,500 BLOCKS OF MONTEREY AND SAUNDERS STREET.
UM, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO DO, TO DO THAT.
UM, COMMISSIONERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN VOLUNTEERING, LET US KNOW.
UM, NOBODY HAS SIGNED UP, UM, FOR, FOR GENERAL ITEMS ON THE A AGENDA.
['A' CONSENT AGENDA]
AT THE SCREEN.UM, ITEM A 1 6 23 HEMISPHERE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UM, SO THAT LEAVES US WITH JUST ITEMS A TWO AND A THREE FOR THE CONSENT.
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF CONSENT.
AGENDA ITEM A TWO AND A THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
MOTION PASSES YOUR ON THE CON IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 8 75 EAST A EAST ASHBY AND 9 0 9 WEST HOUSTON.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
[A-4 20-2383 Address/Description: 1915 BROADWAY/CVS Pharmacy HDRC Case No.: 2020-075 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Brent Adcock/Republic Sign Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 1]
A FOUR, AGENDA ITEM, A FOUR H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 20 0 75 19 15 BROADWAY.[00:05:01]
APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTER SIGN ON THE EAST GRAYSON.THAT'S THE SOUTH ELEVATION TO FEATURE 13.2 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE SIGN IN ADDITION TO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SIGNAGE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B AND E AS THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE EXCEEDS THAT, WHICH IS RECOMMENDED BY THE U D C IN REGARDS TO TOTAL NUMBER OF SIGNS.
STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED SIGN MAY BE APPROPRIATE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BLADE SIGN AT THE CORNER.
I REPRESENT THE OWNER, UH, FOR, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, C V SS.
AND, UM, I CAME IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS, UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO AND WE RECEIVED APPROVAL ON SEVERAL, UH, PIECES OF SIGNAGE.
UM, AND PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING WAS THAT WE INSTALLED BLADE SIGN ON THE CORNER, WHICH WE DID DO, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY INSTALLED.
AND WE ALSO INSTALLED A, UH, SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS, UM, THAT IT'S A HALO ILLUMINATED SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS ON THE EAST FACADE, WHICH IS ON THE BROADWAY STREET SIDE.
UM, FROM WHERE WE BEGAN IN THIS PROCESS TO WHERE WE ARE NOW, WE WERE AT ABOUT 298 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE TOTAL, UH, SIX SIGNS TOTAL.
AND, UH, WHERE WE ARE AS OF TODAY WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY INSTALLED AND WHAT HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED, WE'RE AT 36.8 SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
UM, THAT INCLUDES TWO SMALL UNDER CANOPY HANGING SIGNS THAT ARE 3.75 SQUARE FEET EACH.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS AN ADDITIONAL SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS ON THE SOUTH FACADE, WHICH IS THE GRAYSON STREET SIDE THAT WOULD MATCH THE SET THAT'S ON THE CURRENTLY INSTALLED ON THE, THE BROADWAY SIDE.
AND THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT IS BECAUSE OUR CLIENT FEELS THAT IT'S A NECESSARY HARDSHIP, ESPECIALLY TRAVELING NORTH ON BROADWAY.
UM, YOU GET TO A CERTAIN POINT ON BROADWAY AND IT, IT, IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE WHAT BUSINESS THAT IS THERE, EVEN WITH THE BLADE SIGN AND THE CURRENT SIGNAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY INSTALLED.
SO WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR KIND RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW FOR ONE MORE SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS TO BE ON THAT FACADE.
UM, AND THAT SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS WOULD BE, UH, 13.2 SQUARE FEET.
THAT WOULD BRING US UP TO A TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR ALL SIGNAGE, UH, 50 SQUARE FEET, UH, WHICH, UH, MEETS CODE, UM, BUT IS OVER THE ALLOWED NUMBER OF SIGNS.
UH, COMMENT ON, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT IF THIS ADDITIONAL LIGHTED SIGN ON THE SOUTH FACE WAS APPROVED, THAT UH, THEY RECOMMEND THAT THE BLADE SIGN BE TAKEN DOWN IF THE BLADE SIGN ISN'T WORKING FOR Y'ALL.
WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO DO THAT? WELL, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, INSTEAD OF TAKING THE BLADE SIGN DOWN, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S A KIND OF A COOL ARCHITECTURAL SIGNAGE COMPONENT, IF YOU WILL.
UM, WE COULD, IF WE NEED TO TAKE SIGNS DOWN, OBVIOUSLY WE PREFER TO KEEP ALL THE SIGNS UP AS IS PLUS ADD THE ADDITIONAL SIGNS WE'RE REQUESTING.
BUT THE TWO SMALLER UNDER CANOPY SIGNS THERE, UM, THAT ARE 3.75 SQUARE FEET EACH, WE COULD REMOVE THOSE AND THEN ADD THE SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS ON THE SOUTH FACADE THAT WOULD BRING US UP TO A TOTAL NUMBER OF THREE SIGNS AND WOULD BRING US WELL BELOW THE 50 SQUARE FEET.
HOWEVER, SINCE THIS IS A PEDESTRIAN KIND OF THOROUGHFARE THROUGH HERE, WE THINK THE UNDER CANOPY SIGNS WOULD ADD SOME BENEFIT TO PASSERBY TRAFFIC.
I THINK REMOVING THOSE, UH, CANOPY SIGNS WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
SO YOU HAVE THREE SIGNS ON THE WALLS.
IS THERE A CHANCE, I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU HAVE SIGNAGE.
I MEAN, PEDESTRIANS WALKING BY THAT THROUGH THE WINDOWS.
Y'ALL GOT ALL THE BRANDING INSIDE THE STORE.
I'M SURE THEY CAN SEE THROUGH THE WINDOWS THAT IT'S A C V S.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY IT'S, IT'S NOT DONE YET.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTERIOR DESIGN'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, WE, IT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXTERIOR SIGNAGE IS OUR SCOPE.
SO I'M NOT SURE THE OVERALL SIGNAGE SCOPE.
SO, UM, AND HAS STAFF ALSO ANY FAMILIAR, LIKE ANY OTHER SIGNAGE ON THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE? DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT? NOT THE WORD.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD ALSO NO, MA'AM.
SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR.
THERE'S, UH, THE PREVIOUS SIGNAGE PACKAGE LAST YEAR INCLUDED INCIDENTAL SIGNAGE.
UM, SO DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE IN ENTER HERE.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS WINDOW CLINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I, MR. CHAIR, JUST AS A COMMENT, MY,
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MY FEELING IS THAT IT'S, IT SEEMS VERY MINIMAL IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING.I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE BLADE ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S A STORE RIGHT.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT THE MINIMAL NESS OF IT AS IT IS, AND THE FACT THAT, UM, THERE IS A POSITIVE BENEFIT TO PEOPLE KNOWING THAT THERE'S A HUSTLE AND BUSTLE AND THAT THERE'S STORED BUSINESSES IN THE AREA, PROBABLY ADDS TO THE VIABILITY OF POTENTIAL OTHER BUSINESSES WITHOUT THE SIGNS.
IT, IT, IT COULD BE VACANT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SOME STRONG PRESENCE.
I LIKE THE RED AND THE WHITE AND IT IS MINIMAL.
I THINK THE, UM, GIVEN THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING AND GIVING THE SORT OF THE DIFFERENT ROLES OF SIGNAGE AT DIFFERENT SCALES FOR DIFFERENT AUDIENCES, I, I'D, I'D ACTUALLY HATE TO SEE THE, THE, UH, MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED SIGNAGE AT THE CANOPIES GO AWAY AS PART OF THE, UH, THE NEGOTIATION.
'CAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT HAS A, A RECALL TO SAN ANTONIO AND HOW WE'VE HANDLED, UH, SIGNAGE HERE IN THIS, UH, IN THIS CITY IN THE PAST, IN OUR HISTORIC CANOPIES WHEN SO MANY OF OUR DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS HAD CANOPIES, THE SIGNAGE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
SO FOR ME, THEY'RE KIND OF WORKING AT DIFFERENT SCALES AND AT DIFFERENT, UH, FOR DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.
AND IF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS AT 50 SQUARE FEET, BUT WE'RE EXCEEDING THE NUMBER, UM, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT'S REASONABLE, JUST GIVEN THE SIZE OF THIS, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS ALSO.
JUST THAT THEY'RE DIFFERENT GROUPINGS.
THERE'S A INTENDED AUDIENCE FOR EACH SET OF SIGNS AND IT IS MINIMAL.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S, UH, SIGNAGE, UH, UH, REQUEST I SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
['B' ITEMS CONSENT AGENDA]
THAT BRINGS US TO THE BE ADAMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA.UM, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED IN FOR GENERAL COMMENTS.
IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT I READ THIS TOGETHER AND IT'S 4 1 35 ADAMS, TWO 15 EAST ROSEWOOD AND 4 27 EAST FRENCH PLACE THAT ALREADY GIVE YOU MY NAME AND ADDRESS.
IT IS CONCERNING THAT THESE CASES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BY OWNERS WHO WILLFULLY VIOLATED THE LETTER AND SPIRIT OF MUNICIPAL LAW BY DOING WORK WITHOUT PERMITS AND OR DOING WORK THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED THE CASE AT 1 35.
ADAMS IS ESPECIALLY DISTRESSING BECAUSE ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT SUBVERTED THE PROCESS AND PROVIDED AN APRON FOR A PARKING PATH THAT WAS IN VIOLATION.
HOW CAN WE EXPECT RESIDENTS TO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT SAFEGUARD THE BEAUTY AND VALUE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THE CITY IS NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE PROCESS? THE GROWING NUMBER OF THESE CASES HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED FOR THE CITY TO ENFORCE ITS DE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COORDINATE BETWEEN AGENCIES.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, PETTY SCIENCE RESIDENT.
UM, SO, UH, ITEMS ON THE SCREEN, UM, BE ITEMS B ONE THROUGH B THREE.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, UM, SPEAKER SIGNED IN FOR ITEM B ONE.
SO THAT'LL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, THAT LEAVES ITEMS B TWO AND B THREE, UM, UP FOR A MOTION FOR CONSENT AGENDA.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, ITEMS B TWO AND B THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESSES 500 COLUMBUS AND 1434 WEST ROSEWOOD.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET RETURNED THE PUBLIC NOTICE, YARD SIGN PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, PLEASE DO SO AT THE O H P COUNTER ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, SO THAT BRINGS US TO B 1 7 28
[B-1 20-2411 Address/Description: 728 CHESTNUT ST/204 HAYS HDRC Case No.: 2019-553 Applicant: Adam Gates/Adam Word Gates - Architect Request: Construction of three, 3-story residential structures City Council Dist.: 2]
CHESTNUT.UM, WE HAVE A SPEAKER SIGN IN FOR THIS ITEM.
VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, VIRGINIA VAN CLEVE, 91 18 FAIRLAND, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE APPLICATION FOR THREE NEW 38
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FOOT HIGH BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO THE HAYES STREET BRIDGE.THE SOCIETY SPENT $50,000 TO HELP RESTORE THE BRIDGE OVER A DECADE AGO, AND HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN EFFORTS TO PRESERVE VIEWS TO AND FROM THE BRIDGE.
THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL RISE ABOVE THE BRIDGE HEIGHT AND BLOCK VIEWS OF DOWNTOWN FROM THE RAMP AT THE WEST END OF THE BRIDGE.
ALL OF THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES DEPICTED IN THE APPLICATION ARE NO MORE THAN TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT.
MOREOVER, THE ILLUSTRATIONS OF THE NEW STRUCTURES BEAR NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE SCALE MASSING OR MATERIALS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
THIS PROJECT UNDERSCORES THE NEED FOR VIEW SHED PROTECTION.
RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE PLEASE? YES.
CAN YOU ALSO PULL UP THE DESIGN PACKAGE? DO YOU HAVE IT THERE? A IS THIS A POINTER? AND CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YES, OF COURSE.
UM, MY NAME, A BUSINESS ADDRESS OR PERSONAL ADDRESS.
MY BUSINESS ADDRESS IS ONE 18 BROADWAY, SUITE 6 0 1.
I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, FIRST I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY FOR LOOKING OUT FOR EVERYBODY.
WE, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS, AND I I HOPE YOU LEAVE HERE, UH, FEELING BETTER ABOUT THIS.
UM, SO I'M GONNA START WITH THIS JUST TO SHOW SOME CONTEXT TO THE HISTORIC BRIDGE AND THE RAMP LEADING UP TO THE BRIDGE AND TO TEE UP, UH, SOME PHOTOGRAPHS THAT I TOOK AND SOME RENDERINGS THAT WE CREATED.
UH, SITE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET BY, UH, A HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE, A HUNDRED FORTY FEET.
AND FROM THE EASTERN CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY TO THE START OF THE WOOD SLATS, UH, WHICH IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE HISTORIC BRIDGE BEGINS, IS APPROXIMATELY 290 FEET.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A PHOTOGRAPH HERE IN A MINUTE.
UM, A RENDERING THAT'S TAKEN FROM 100 FEET WEST OF THAT POINT.
SO IT'S TAKEN FROM ABOUT RIGHT HERE ON THE BRIDGE.
UM, BUT FIRST SINCE WE'RE IN THE DESIGN PACKET, I'D LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, MATERIALS AND THE MASSING AND SUCH OF THE PROJECT.
UM, MR. HALL, IF YOU CAN ADVANCE US.
AH, HERE'S, UH, THIS IS ONE, WE'LL DO ANOTHER ONE HERE IN, IN A SECOND.
SO, UM, THIS IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING.
IT'S, UM, LARGELY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
THERE ARE TWO LARGELY DILAPIDATED STRUCTURES, UH, EXISTING ON THE SITE THAT WE GOT, UM, DEMOLITION APPROVAL FOR FROM H D R OR FROM O H P IN NOVEMBER OF 2018.
UM, AND THE REST OF WHAT'S AROUND, AGAIN, IS LARGELY INDUSTRIAL.
THERE'S, UH, SOME TILT WALL ACROSS THE BRIDGE IN THE LARGE ELECTRICAL SUPPLY WAREHOUSE.
UH, A LOT OF METAL PANEL, UH, TO OUR WEST, WELL, TO OUR WEST AND TO OUR SOUTH.
UM, WE'VE GOT, AGAIN, MOSTLY, MOSTLY INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS.
THIS IS, UH, DIRECTLY TO OUR WEST.
THIS WHOLE COMPLEX IS, UH, KIND OF OLD AGED CORRUGATED METAL.
UM, THIS IS THE CHURCH UNDER THE BRIDGE DIRECTLY TO OUR SOUTH, WHICH IS, UH, A NEWER METAL PANEL BUILDING.
UM, AND THIS IS A CARPET MANAGEMENT COMPANY JUST DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT'S A KIND OF AN AMALGAMATION OF DIFFERENT METAL PANELS.
OH, THESE ARE OUR, SOME OF OUR PRECEDENT IMAGES.
I GUESS THOSE DON'T APPLY SO MUCH.
UM, LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY EVEN GO FORWARD JUST TO OUR RENDERINGS OR HERE WE GO.
UM, SO ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS COMBINATION OF, UH, METAL PANEL AND PERFORATED PANEL, UM, THE METAL USING THE METAL PANEL, UH, PROBABLY A CORRUGATED MATERIAL TO, TO START BLENDING IN WITH THE INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND AS IT TURNED OUT, WE MET WITH, UH, WE MET WITH THE COMMISSION WE PRIVATELY IN JULY, AND WE WERE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED TO EXPLORE SOME DIFFERENT, UM, MATERIAL CHOICES.
UM, AND SO SINCE THEN WE'VE MOVED TO SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO ADD SOME MORE ARTICULATION TO THE FACADE.
UH, EITHER A HARDY PANEL REVEAL SYSTEM OR AN EFS WITH, UM, WITH THE REVEALS IN IT.
BUT IT, IT WAS DETERMINED, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THE LARGER FACADES THAT, THAT, THAT METAL PANEL WAS JUST A LITTLE TOO BLAND AND BLANK.
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WE NEED TO, UH, TAKE A COUPLE STEPS BACK AND REVISIT THE MATERIALS TO HONOR THE CONTEXT, I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.UM, AND THEN BACK TO MR. HALL, IF YOU CAN SHOW THIS OTHER PHOTOGRAPH, UM, BACK TO THE, BACK TO THE VIEW CORRIDORS.
AND, UM, ACTUALLY JUST ONE, JUST PURELY CLARIFICATION NOTE THAT'S VERY MINOR IS OUR, OUR, OUR TOTAL HEIGHT IS 34 FEET RATHER THAN 38 FEET.
UM, THAT'LL IMPORTANT FOR SOME CODE REASONS.
UM, BUT HERE'S THAT PHOTOGRAPH FROM, FROM THE BRIDGE.
AGAIN, THIS IS A HUNDRED FEET WEST OF THE, UH, HISTORIC BRIDGE.
AND WE CREATED THIS IMAGE BY, WITH OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR BUILDING IS, WAS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING, UH, TELEPHONE POLES.
SO I WAS, I TOOK THIS PHOTOGRAPH AND I WAS ABLE TO USE THOSE TELEPHONE POLES TO KIND OF GAUGE THIS PERSPECTIVE.
UM, BUT WE HOPE THAT THE SCALE OF THIS BUILDING AT THIS LOCATION, UM, ISN'T ALL THAT DISRUPTIVE.
UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE JUST TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE OUR BUILDING'S GONNA BE, THE LINE OF HIGHWAY I 30, UH, OF IH 35.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, MUCH LOWER THAN THIS, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A VIEW TO KIND OF JUST OF THE, JUST OF THE HIGHWAY.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL KIND OF ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT VIEWS FROM THE BRIDGE THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF OUR BUILDING, UH, TO THE SKYLINE BEYOND ESPECIALLY THE FROST, THE FROST TOWER.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT I CAN TAKE FROM THE COMMISSION TO HELP THIS? I, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE COMMENT IF UNLESS WELL, UM, MY, MY INITIAL, UM, UH, COMMENT IS WITHOUT YOUR PRESENTATION LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, UH, PRESENTATION GRAPHICALLY, UH, I CAN APPRECIATE THE DESIGN, UH, AND THE INTENT.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT I'D AGREE THAT IT'S NOT PERFECT THE WAY THAT IT IS.
UM, UH, IT'S A PARTICULAR STYLE AND, AND, UH, THE TRANSPARENCY AND THE USE OF METAL AND ALL THAT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT IF I, IF I WAS TO GET, UH, CRITICAL THAT, THAT WE'D END UP WITH A MUCH WORSE, UH, POSSIBILITY THAN WHERE YOU MIGHT END UP IF YOU CHANGE SOMETHING THAT ALREADY IS TO, TO ME, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF AN INDUSTRIAL ENVIRONMENT, VERY FORMAL, A LITTLE BRUTALIST, BUT IT, BUT IT DEFINITELY SPEAKS OF A PARTICULAR TIME.
SO, SO THE FUTURE WOULD KNOW WHERE YOU WERE IN 2020.
UM, I, I'M THINKING THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT THE WORST SCENARIO IS, IS ON THE DEMOLITION SIDE, BUT THAT WAS ALREADY DECIDED.
AND IF, IF THE COMMISSION HAD ALREADY DECIDED THAT IT WAS OKAY TO, TO TEAR THOSE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE BUILDINGS DOWN, THEN AS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, IT GETS WELL WITHIN THE CONTEXT NOW HOW IT BLOCKS THE VIEW.
UM, I, I'M JUST, I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG, UH, ANYONE CAN PROTECT, UH, A, A VIEW FROM AN, AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS, IS QUICKLY DEVELOPING.
UM, I, UM, THE, THE BRIDGE DOES SOMETHING, IT TAKES YOU FROM ONE PLACE TO THE OTHER.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT VIEWS ARE, ARE THE PURPOSE OF THE BRIDGE.
UH, BUT UH, JUST, JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON ON VERY NICE MODERN WORK THAT I THINK ADDS SOME CHARACTER TO THAT ENVIRONMENT.
I CLARIFIED THAT THIS WAS, THIS IS NOT A HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES AND HOW THE, AND HOW THE BUILDINGS WERE DEMOLISHED, RIGHT? IT'S NOT CORRECT.
SO THEY CAME IN AS, UM, NORMAL DEMOLITION PERMITS, WHICH WE REVIEW FOR ELIGIBILITY.
UM, SO NOT TO SAY THAT THEY AREN'T OLD CHARMING HOUSES, THEY JUST WERE NOT, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MOVE THEM FORWARD FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
I, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE RENDERING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, UM, WITH THE HEIGHT THAT IT'S, THAT IS BEING DEPICTED HERE, I MEAN, THAT IS VERY NEAR THE HORIZON AT THIS POINT.
AND SO, AS YOU KNOW, BEING HALFWAY DOWN THE RAMP STILL BEING VERY CLOSE TO THAT HORIZON IS AND AS AN IMPACT TO THE VIEW SHED OF, OF SOMETHING THAT'S ABOUT AS LOW AS IT COULD BE.
UM, NOW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT IMPACTS THE ENTRANCE TO THE RAMP OR THE, UM, THE ACTUAL BRIDGE ITSELF, THAT'S TO A, A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
BUT I THINK FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS THE RIGHT ONE TO SHOW, UM, I THINK IT VERY CLEARLY SHOWS THAT IT'S VERY NEAR IN LINE WITH THE HORIZON AT THIS POINT.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAVE TO THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL? OF COURSE.
OH, WE AGREED ALL THE STIPULATIONS.
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UM, I DON'T REMEMBER ALL OF THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ACTUALLY, BUT, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THEM.DID, UH, MEET A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, AND DISCUSS, UM, MASSING AND MATERIALS AND CITING, AND I THINK THE, UH, APPLICANTS HAVE ADDRESSED COMMENTS MADE AT THOSE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
UM, AND I WOULD ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT THE MATERIALS AND THE, THE DETAILING IS, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, BUT, AND SINCE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, YOU'LL STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE, UH, WHETHER YOU DO WANT TO INCLUDE, UH, ANY METAL PANELS OR, UH, STAY WITH THE MORE FLAT HARDY PANEL OR STUCCO.
SO THERE IS SOME MORE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THE BURIAL PALETTE HERE.
PART OF THAT EXPLORATION, I HOPE CAN ALSO BE IN COLOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK SINCE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, I HAVE NOT ATTENDED ANY OF THE DESIGN, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
SO I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT ANOTHER SPOON IN THE CHILI HERE.
BUT I THINK PART OF, UH, MAYBE WHAT IS A LITTLE, UH, JARRING IN THAT RENDERING OF, UH, THAT YOU SHOW THERE, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CONVINCING THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BLOCKING THE SKYLINE, BUT THE FACT THAT IS SO BRILLIANTLY IN CONTRASTING WITH ITS ENVIRONMENT, UH, THAT MAYBE IF IT COULD GET TONED DOWN TONALLY, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, BY USING THE NATURAL GALVANIZED MATERIALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT YOU FIND IN THE, IN THE STRUCTURES AROUND YOU, UH, PERHAPS KIND OF RECEDE INTO THE FOREGROUND RATHER THAN JUMP OUT OF IT AND ALLOW THE, THE SKYLINE TO BE THE, THE STAR PLAYER IN THIS.
UM, WE CAN ADD THAT TO, I DUNNO IF WE NEED TO OFFICIALLY ADD THAT TO STIPULATIONS OR JUST KEEP IT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
I THINK IF YOU KEEP IT UNDER CONSIDERATION AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING THE OVERALL MATERIAL PALETTE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
SO WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION I MOVE FOR, GO AHEAD.
THERE JUST ONE, JUST ONE THING.
IT'S RELATED TO A POTENTIAL MOTION, RIGHT? THAT, THAT YOU MAY MAKE, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE, UM, POTENTIAL, UH, MOTION OR MAKER OF THE MOTION TO CONSIDER, UH, THE REMOVAL OR A LIGHTER LANGUAGE ON THE STIPULATION TWO OF THE, IF YOU COULD SCROLL IT UP FOR ME AND, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
OR THREE, UM, THE REMOVAL OF THE DARK OR THE, OR THE REQUIREMENT THAT THERE'S A DARK FRAME.
UM, AND, AND I, I JUST, JUST, JUST KINDA LOOKING AT WHERE THEY'RE GOING CONCEPTUALLY, IT APPEARS THAT, THAT THERE'S AN OBJECTIVE OF LIGHTNESS, OF FLOATING NESS THAT'S TRYING TO BE ACHIEVED THROUGH THE TRANSPARENCIES AND THE DARK FRAMES WILL WEIGH IT DOWN.
IT, IT'D BE GREAT TO, TO SEE WHERE THEY GO WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE IN THERE WITHOUT BRINGING THEM TO, TO A VERY PARTICULAR COLOR.
PARTICULARLY IF THEY, IF THEY INCORPORATE THE GALVANIZATION RIGHT, THE, THE, THOSE COLORS AND, AND MORE NATURAL.
BUT, BUT I REALLY WOULD, WOULD, UM, ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO, LET'S SEE WHAT THEY BRING BACK WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THEIR DESIGN INTENT IS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE REALLY HEADED IN SOMEWHERE THAT'S, THERE'S VERY LITTLE OF IN SAN ANTONIO.
UH, COMMISSIONER I MOVE FOR, SORRY CHAIRMAN, I COULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR AND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THREE TO READ THAT ALL WINDOWS BE METAL FEATURE AN INSTALLATION DEPTH OF TWO INCHES WITHIN THE WALLS.
ANY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AGENDA ITEM B 4 4 15, WILLOW HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.
[B-5 20-2399 Address/Description: 211 BARRERA HDRC Case No.: 2020-074 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: Adrian Gonzalez/ASG Request: Exterior alterations, porch and patio modifications, cosntruction of an addition to rear accessory structure City Council Dist.: 1]
ITEM B 5 2 11 BARRERA.AGENDA ITEM B FIVE H C R C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH SEVEN FOUR ADDRESS TWO 11 BARRERA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD CORINTHIAN FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH NEW SQUARE COLUMNS TO REPLACE THE WOODEN FRONT DOOR AND TRANSOM WITH NEW SOLID WOOD DOOR AND MAHOGANY WITH TRANSOM AND DOOR TRIMMING.
THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR APPEARS TO BE ORIGINAL THREE.
REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING ON THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH WOOD SIDING OR CEMENT BOARD SIDING.
AND FOUR, CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 204 SQUARE FEET.
ITEM ONE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE FRONT PORCH.
THE FRONT PORCH COLUMN REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING B
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STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COLUMNS BE REPAIRED IN PLACE IF THE H D R C DETERMINES THAT THE COLUMNS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT.STAFF FINDS THAT THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED IN KIND WITH NEW WOOD COLUMNS FEATURING A CORINTH CORINTHIAN STYLE CAPITAL AND DIMENSIONS TO MATCH THE EXISTING ITEM TWO.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C STAFF.
FIND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE DOOR BE REPAIRED, UH, THE IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OF TRIM OR FRAMING ELEMENTS IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR ACCESSORY SIDING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZES WOOD LAPS SIDING WITH A MAXIMUM REVEAL OF FOUR INCHES OR A COMPOSITE SIDING WITH A SMOOTH FINISH AND NO FO FAUX GRAIN.
THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT A FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATION TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
IN ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ADDITION BASED ON FINDING E WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES ACCURATE MEASURED DIMENSION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, UM, ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE FRONT PORCH COLUMN REPLACEMENT.
I THINK THE COLUMNS THEY NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED.
UM, WE'RE WILLING TO STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE VICTORIAN FOLK.
UM, I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL JUST REGULAR STOCK PHOTOS.
THESE RIGHT HERE, THESE ARE WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY.
AND IF WE COULD SWITCH OUT THOSE OTHER COLUMNS TO THESE COLUMNS, MY CLIENT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE IDEAL TO SWITCHING THOSE.
WHAT FIRST ORIGINALLY WANTED TO GO WITH UM, WASN'T IDEAL AND THEY DID NOT APPROVE IT.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF A VICTORIAN FOLK UM, PROPERTY STAFF.
IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE AS TO THE, THE HISTORY OF THOSE COLUMNS, WHETHER THEY'RE REPLACEMENT COLUMNS THAT WERE SALVAGED FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE? WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL PHOTOS TO SHOW THEIR EXISTING CONDITION.
THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING THAT REPLACEMENT IS NEEDED BECAUSE OF WOOD ROD AND ALL THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU CAN'T REPLACE THEM, UH, TO THE CORINTHIAN STYLE COLUMNS? THE CLIENT IS JUST NOT WANTING TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
AND UM, THE COLUMNS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE SHOWED YOU, THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE.
THEY HAVE ORIGINALLY THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT, THE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO HE'S WANTING TO KEEP IT WITHIN WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ESTABLISHED WITH.
BUT THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT STYLE HOMES, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT THE NEIGHBOR.
HE REPOED THAT OFF OF A VICTORIAN FOLK HOME.
AND THE NEIGHBOR ACTUALLY HAS, IF YOU PULL IN TO THE GREENHOUSE RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PINK NOW, AND ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES AROUND THE PRO IN THE AREA ARE WITH THE WHAT, WHERE, WHAT MY CLIENTS IS RECOMMEND OR WANTING TO GO WITH.
I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR CLIENT SEEING OTHER ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAYING I PREFER THAT TO THIS.
THE GUIDELINES ARE PRETTY CLEAR, UM, THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC MATERIAL AS IT AS IT IS.
IF IT, IF IT IS BEYOND REPAIR, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN KIND A REPLACEMENT IN KIND WITH THESE THINGS IS VERY DIFFICULT.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE ITERATION AT, UH, IN SOME OF THE PHOTOS AT THE BOTTOM AND IT, IT SEEMS REPAIRABLE.
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS PROBABLY ON POINT IF THERE, IF THIS IS BEYOND REPAIR.
UM, I COULD GO AS FAR AS TO SUPPORT A REPLACEMENT IN KIND, BUT IT WOULD NEED TO VERY CLOSELY MATCH WHAT HISTORICALLY EXISTS PER THE GUIDELINES.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR CLIENT IS ASKING FOR, BUT I, I JUST CAN'T SAY.
IF WE BRING IN PRIOR PHOTOS OF THESE, OF THESE COLUMNS, UM, WOULD YOU SAY FOR INSTANCE, UM, I BELIEVE MY CLIENT HAS SOME PHOTOS BEFORE THE, THE, UM, CHANGES AND THE DOORS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS ADDITIONAL FOUR COLUMNS, NOT THREE COLUMNS, AND THEY WEREN'T THESE COLUMNS.
YOU, YOU HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF OTHER COLUMNS.
HE, HE, HE WAS TELLING ME THIS MORNING THAT HE HAD PHOTOS.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIAL.
I MEAN FOR THE DECISION MAKING.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? LIKE ON THE SAME HOUSE? YEAH, THE SAME HOUSE.
OH, THERE WAS, THIS HOUSE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST HOMES IN THE AREA.
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UM, IT WAS TO THE RIGHT, THERE WAS A DOOR AND THE DOOR WAS ACTUALLY TO MORE TO THE CENTER I BELIEVE IN 2005.UH, A LOT OF WORK WAS REDONE TO THIS HOUSE.
UM, WELL JUST IN, IN THE AREA OF YOUR COMMENTS, IT MAKE, IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING, I WAS THINKING THAT YOU TYPICALLY WOULDN'T FIND A CORINTHIAN COLUMN SET UP THE WAY THAT THAT'S SET UP.
THE PHOTOS WOULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.
AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED EARLIER IF THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE THAT THOSE WERE REPLACEMENT COLUMNS.
'CAUSE IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE PORCH IS NOT ORIGINAL.
OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A WOOD FRAMED PORCH.
AND OFTEN, OFTEN THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN THEY WOULD CHANGE OUT THE, THE COLUMNS.
IN THIS CASE SOMEONE CHOSE TO GO WITH A LITTLE BIT HIGHER STYLE, UM, COLUMNS.
BUT IN, I CAN APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO PRESERVE HISTORIC MATERIAL ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS CAN GAIN HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OVER TIME.
UM, BUT UH, I THINK IF WE COULD SEE THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT GIVES EVIDENCE TO WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, I THINK THAT WOULD CHANGE THE DISCUSSION A BIT.
THE PHOTOS OF PREVIOUS COLUMNS AND UH, PREVIOUS CONDITIONS IN RECENT HISTORY WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST WE CAN YOU WITHDRAW SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTIONS AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE TO STAFF AND COME BACK.
UM, WE CAN CONTINUE ITEM ONE AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON THE, ON THE REST.
SO I MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM ONE AND APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND BEFORE WE MOVE ON, JUST A QUICK NOTE FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SPEAKING CLOSELY INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORDING.
[B-6 20-2403 Address/Description: 135 ADAMS ST HDRC Case No.: 2019-731 Landmark Name: Snell House Historic District Name: King William Applicant: John McDowell/J ADAMS PROPERTIES LLC Request: Curb cut and installation of parking pad City Council Dist.: 1]
AGENDA, ITEM B SIX H D R C CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 7 31 1 35 ADAMS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A PARKING PAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AT BUDDING FORK STREET AND HAVE T C I INSTALL A CURB CUT WHILE ROAD WORK IS TAKING PLACE ON FORK STREET.RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PARKING PAD BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT THE PARKING PAD WITH PERVIOUS PAVERS OF NATURAL COLOR.
THE PROPOSED SHADOW STONE IS A MATERIAL THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN UPDATED SPECIFICATION TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CURB CUT BASED ON FINDING C CASE COMMENT, A STOP WORK ORDER FOR WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT WAS ISSUED TO THE APPLICANT AT 1 35 ADAMS ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 2019.
THE APPLICANT DISREGARDED STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUBSEQUENTLY COMPLETED THE WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL.
STAFF WAS NOTIFIED ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2020 THAT THE APPLICANT HAD COMPLETED THE INSTALLATION OF SHADOW STONE.
STAFF WAS NOTIFIED ON FEBRUARY 24TH, 2020.
THAT T C I HAD INSTALLED A CURB CUT ALONG THE PROPOSED PARKING PAD AT 1 35 ADAMS CONTRARY TO O H O H P DIRECTIVES, THE CONTRACTOR FOR T C I HAS SINCE REMOVED THE CURB CUT ALONG 1 35 ATOMS APPLICANT HERE PLEASE.
OH, UH, PEOPLE GET SCREWED OVER BY BUREAUCRATIC STUFF LIKE THIS.
UM, I PRETTY MUCH STOPPED WHEN I WAS I'M SORRY.
WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? MY NAME'S JOHN MCDOWELL.
UM, IT'S AMAZING THE STUFF Y'ALL DECIDE THAT COSTS PEOPLE REAL MONEY AND, UH, Y'ALL JUST, YEAH, BECAUSE SOME HISTORIC THING.
UH, JUST, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, UH, COUPLE THINGS.
UH, THERE'S, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY SAN ANTONIO, THE SEVENTH LARGEST CITY AND AMERICA.
UM, SOME PARKING SPACES IN SOME AREAS SOLD FOR $560,000, $280,000 UP TO A MILLION IN HONG KONG.
IF I WAS TO BUILD THIS NOW AND ASK FOR PERMISSION THROUGH THE CITY, THEY WOULD SAY, WELL, CODE IS FOR EACH UNIT YOU NEED TO HAVE WHAT, 1.5 PARKING SPACES? IS THAT ABOUT CORRECT? NORMALLY, SO DOWN HERE IN THIS AREA, UH, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, PARKING ON THE, UH, STREET.
SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT BACK AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL I'LL TAKE SOME OFF STREET PARKING AND PUT IT ON THE SIDE 'CAUSE I'M ZONED R FOUR.
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WANTED TO GET A LAWYER TO DO THIS.BUT THEY LAUGHED AT ME WHEN THEY SAID TO GO, UH, TRY TO FIGHT WITH THE CITY.
LITERALLY WOULDN'T TAKE MY MONEY.
CAN I ASK STAFF, ARE ANY FEES THAT I'VE BEEN PAID OR HOW DID THAT WORK OUT? OH, I, I WAS TOLD THIS IS A MY BACKYARD.
AND UH, THE LADY AT HISTORIC SAID THAT I WAS JUST CHANGING OUT, UH, FROM MULCH TO ROCKS BASICALLY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU, UH, ONCE I GOT UNDERNEATH THERE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A FLAGSTONE.
SO THIS WASN'T A PERMEABLE SURFACE THAT WAS FLAGSTONE UNDERNEATH FROM PREVIOUS.
WHOEVER HAD DONE IT BEFORE, WHICH ISN'T REALLY INTO CODE WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY WANTED SOMETHING PERMEABLE SO I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THEY DID THIS, THEY STARTED THIS PROJECT, WHICH I'M IN.
I'M IN CHARGE OF TAKING CARE OF AND MAINTAINING THE SIDEWALKS IN KING WILLIAMS IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
SO THEY GO AND PUT THIS THING IN HERE AND I USED TO HAVE, UH, ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PARKING SPACES THAT WERE OFF STREET PARKING AROUND THE CORNER ON FORKEY.
WELL, THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, FOR ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING YEARS WE'VE BEEN, UH, NOT UP TO FIRE CODE BECAUSE OUR, UH, ROADS WEREN'T WIDE ENOUGH AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE OFF STREET STREET PARKING.
SO I HAVE A FOURPLEX THAT DOESN'T HAVE OFF STREET PARKING.
THIS WAS WHAT WAS UNDERNEATH, WHICH WASN'T A PERMEABLE, UH, PRODUCT.
SO I BASICALLY TOOK IT INTO CODE WHAT USED TO BE THERE.
SO THERE WOULD'VE BEEN THE EQUIVALENT OF A PARKING PAD OVER THERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE ONE DOING THE WORK.
AND I THINK THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE CARS UP THERE, BUT THEY DON'T WANT ME TO, UH, WE THEY DON'T WANT THE CURB CUT.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT ME TO PULL UP ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AND SO THAT YOU'RE GONNA PARK, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE SIDEWAYS OR SOMETHING RIDICULOUS.
THE THING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE SINCE THEY'RE TAKING MY OFF STREET PARKING AWAY IS TO LET ME HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS.
I WOULD PUT, UH, ONLY SUBCOMPACT OR SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN LEGAL.
AND I THINK BASICALLY THE ISSUE WAS ALREADY DECIDED 'CAUSE THEY HAD SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE ON THE GROUND, ACTUALLY BUILT IT THE RIGHT WAY AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND DESTROYED THAT AND PUT IN THE HIGHER CURB.
UM, OH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER MULTI-UNIT IN KING WILLIAMS THAT HAS FOUR PARKING SPACES.
NO PROBLEMS. THAT WHOLE AREA IS, YOU CAN JUST DRIVE UP OVER THERE.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECT, THE CURB CUT IS GONE.
SO IF WE APPROVE PER STAFF STIPULATION, UM, THAT YOU MAKE SOMETHING WITH PREVIOUS PAVERS, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? UH, CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? CAN YOU MAKE THE PARKING PAD WITH A REMOVED WHATEVER? IS IT ROCK? WHAT IS IT THERE FOR? WELL, NO, THE PARKING PAD IS ACTUALLY OKAY BECAUSE IT'S SEMIPERMEABLE.
THEY JUST DON'T LIKE THE COLOR BECAUSE IT'S GRAY.
SO I'LL LITERALLY GO ADD ROCKS TO IT.
I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY, YOU CAN JUST LEAVE THOSE ROCKS THERE, PUT ROCKS ON TOP, IT'LL MAKE IT LOOK BROWN OR WHATEVER COLOR THEY TELL ME I CAN DO WITH MY PROPERTY.
WHAT Y'ALL TELL ME I CAN DO WITH MY PROPERTY, I'LL GO FIGURE THAT OUT AND DO IT AT MY COST TOO.
WELL THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS IF YOU AGREE TO THE STAFF STIPULATION AND THEN YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THE DETAILS OF WHAT ROCK OR WHAT COLOR YOU WANT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD AGREE TO? YEAH.
AND YOU UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.
'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CASE COMMENTS THERE WERE SOME YEAH, THE BIG DEAL IS THE CURB CUT.
I MEAN, AND IT WASN'T EVEN THAT BIG OF A DEAL UNTIL THEY CAME BACK AND SAID THAT NOW THIS IS A FIRE HAZARD.
UH, AND THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THERE'S MULTIPLE ROADS ALL THROUGH LAVACA THAT ARE 23 FEET, 22 FEET THAT HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES.
IF YOU DRIVE DOWN CALLAHAN A FIRETRUCK LITERALLY COULDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THERE.
BUT THEY DO THIS AND THEN THEY RETROACTIVE, SAY, WELL NOW WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE CODE.
WELL, WAS THERE A SAFETY ISSUE? OKAY, SO CALLAHAN HAS ALL THESE SAFETY ISSUES.
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'CAUSE YOU'RE REDOING THIS AREA.I I MEAN IT, THIS CAN'T BE GRANDFATHERED.
I MEAN IT'S SOME, SOME STREETS IN KING WILLIAM ALSO HAVE LIKE CERTAIN SIDE OF THE STREET IS NON-PAR.
AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE IS, AND THEY KINDA SWITCH AROUND.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, UM, FIRE HAZARD THAT WAS COMMUNICATED? UH, 20, 24 FEET? UH, THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME WHEN THEY SAID THEY HAD TO, UH, TAKE DOWN THE NO PARKING TO BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
THE OTHER, IT'S UNDER 24 FEET, I THINK YOU CAN'T HAVE, UH, IT BASICALLY HAS TO HAVE ROOM FOR A FIRETRUCK IS KINDA WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
SO THEY PULLED OUT THIS ONE CODE AND SAID, WELL NO, WE CAN'T GRANDFATHER BECAUSE OF THIS.
WELL, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER STREETS THAT HAVE IT, BUT, BUT THAT'S IN TERMS OF THE OFF STREET PARKING, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S NOT IN TERMS OF THE CURB CUT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S A ISSUE ON.
AND THE CURB CUT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING.
IT WOULD JUST ALLOW ME TO, TO PARK THERE.
AND THE THING IS YOU'RE LIKE, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, IT'S A CURBS HISTORIC HOW MANY, IF I BUILT A FOURPLEX, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE X AMOUNT OF PARKING.
SO YOU HAVE ONE CODE THAT TELLS ME ONE THING, BUT NOW THIS CURB IS HISTORIC AND IT'S MY BACKYARD.
THIS IS NOT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET, SO THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS A, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A 40% OF WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
I COULD BUILD THAT IN MY BACKYARD.
I COULD PUT A FENCE LIKE THAT IN MY BACKYARD.
YOU CAN'T EVEN LOOK IN THERE AND THEY'RE SAYING, OH, YOU CAN'T HAVE GRAY ROCKS.
AND SO WHEN I WENT AND ASKED TO DO THIS, I SAID, I'M JUST TAKING MULCH OUT AND PUTTING ROCKS IN.
I WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND, GOT RID OF THE SEMI-PERMEABLE OF THE STUFF THAT WAS THERE THAT WASN'T PERMEABLE AND PUT IN PERMEABLE STUFF, WHICH IS BRINGING IT TO CODE.
SO BASICALLY ALMOST ALL THE STUFF I DID WAS BRINGING CODE.
THIS IS LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET.
I WALK OUT, I LOOK AT MY NEIGHBOR AND I GO, OH, THAT'S A NICE, UH, NICE SIDEWALK YOU GOT THERE.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS WITH YOU OF WHAT THE CONDITION WAS BEFORE ON THE PROPOSED PARKING PAD? I, I'VE SEEN REFERENCE TO MULCH AND I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING RECENTLY THERE BEFORE THE MULCH.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE A SENSE OF HOW THIS PIECE OF STREET FACING YARD WAS USED BEFORE THIS.
IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE.
SO JUST IMAGINE MULCH IS GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IT WAS JUST MULCH WITH LIKE REALLY NOTHING THERE.
I MEAN I JUST, WELL, I I I SUSPECT THAT THAT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN MULCH AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE.
THE BLACK, I DON'T THINK IT WAS PARKING.
YEAH, BEFORE THAT UNDERNEATH, UH, A PRETTY GOOD LAYER OF JUNK WAS LIKE A HEAVY DUTY FLAGSTONE LIKE PATIO OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE.
UM, MR. WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS CASE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER, MR. MCAL? IF YOU'LL SIT DOWN FOR A MINUTE, WE HAVE A SPEAKER AND THEN WE'LL ASK YOU BACK UP.
LISA LIND, LIN LISA LIND 1 22 MADISON SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND STAFF FINDINGS AS DOCUMENTED BY THE O H P STAFF.
THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF AN APPLICANT ASKING FORGIVENESS FOR WORK COMPLETED WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL.
ALTHOUGH THE APPLICANT WAS ISSUED A STOP ORDER IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, THE WORK ON THE UNAPPROVED PARKING PAD IS COMPLETED TODAY.
DISREGARD FOR THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND FOR THE APPROVAL PROCESS IS DISCOURAGING.
WHAT GOOD ARE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY CAN BE BLATANTLY IGNORED? THE O H P STAFF CITED AREAS IN THE CONSTRUCTED PARKING PAD THAT ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO COMPLYING WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING LANDSCAPING, MULCH AND GRAVEL.
THE REASON THAT SINCE THE ENTIRE YARD HAD BEEN INAPPROPRIATELY COVERED IN BARK MULCH, IT IS NOW GENERALLY APPROPRIATE TO REPLACE THE BLACK GRAVEL PAD WITH PAVERS FOR FOUR CARS IN THE SIDE YARD, ENTIRELY VISIBLE ON FOR KEY STREET.
WE CANNOT CONCUR, CONCUR WITH THIS OVERT CONCESSION TO THE GUIDELINES.
WE DO CONCUR WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE EXPANSION OF THE CURB CUT AS IT ALSO BLATANTLY IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT LIMIT DRIVEWAY WIDTH TO 10 FEET.
UH, YOU, YOU KIND OF HAVE A PICTURE EARLIER.
UH, WHEN THEY GAVE ME THE STOP ORDER, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WAS CHANGED IS I, THERE WERE MORE ROCKS PUT ON THERE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS, BUT BASICALLY ALL THAT WAS ALREADY DONE AND PURCHASED.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE I KIND OF STOPPED.
'CAUSE THEN I REALIZED THE CITY WAS GOING TO DO THEIR SIDEWALK AND I WANTED TO GIVE THEM ROOM TO DO WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO.
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NOT DONE.I'D STOPPED BUYING ROCKS AND WHATEVER I STOPPED, I BASICALLY STOPPED WORKING ON IT.
UM, MR. CHAIR ONE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I THINK REALLY WARRANTS CONSIDERATION IS, UH, THE CHANGES TO THE PARKING PATTERNS ON THE SIDE OF THE CITY, UM, THAT I REALLY DO THINK SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DISTURBING THAT THE CITY WENT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, AND DID A CURB CUT AND THEN THEY WENT AND REDID IT.
THAT'S KIND OF, UM, KIND OF WASTEFUL.
UM, BUT, UM, IT, IT CLEARLY PRODUCES A WHOLE NOTHER PROBLEM FOR THE PERSON THAT LIVES THERE THAT'S NOT AS A RESULT OF ANY, UM, ANY OF THEIR OWN FAULT.
UM, NOW I I'M ALSO NOT CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, PAVERS, UH, WHILE, WHILE THEY, WHILE THEY'RE THEIR GUIDELINE, UH, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION IMPERVIOUS AND MAXIMUM, UM, MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS, UM, ABILITY AND, UH, THIS WHAT SEEMS TO BE AN, AN ALIEN OR A NEW SOLUTION TO A GIVEN PROBLEM.
SO I I WOULD, I WOULD BE, BUT HE IS PUTTING PAVERS SUPPORTING YOU.
SO THE GENTLEMAN IS SAYING THAT HE WANTS TO PUT THE ROCKS DOWN.
I MEAN, BASICALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
YEAH, THEY JUST WANT, I THINK PRETTY MUCH BROWN ROCKS, DIFFERENT COLOR, THE DC THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
BUT THE WEIRD THING IS, I DID THIS 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OF THIS IN THE AREA AND MAYBE THEY'RE JUST ALL BREAKING THESE RULES THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
AND I, I WAS TOLD THOUGH BY, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME, BUT IT WAS SOMEONE WITH THE HISTORIC, IT WAS THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION.
AND SHE WAS LIKE, YOU'RE JUST, IT'S GONNA, IS GONNA LOOK LIKE ROCKS.
IS IT GONNA LOOK LIKE LANDSCAPING? I'M LIKE, YES.
IS IT GONNA BE PERMEABLE? YES.
SO I PUT SEMI-PERMEABLE ROCKS BASICALLY IN MY BACKYARD.
NOT SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING WAS GONNA NEED TO HAVE PERMITS.
SO, AND THEN I, AND IT JUST HAPPENED TO COINCIDE WITH ALL THIS HAPPENING AND THE CITY'S GONNA DO THE IMPROVEMENT HERE, WHICH I'M LIKE, GREAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GOOD FIX, FIX THE CURBS, THAT'S FINE.
AND SO I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET'S GET SOME OFF STREET PARKING, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE GONNA TAKE THE OFF STREET PARKING AWAY.
SO MY THINKING WAS, COOL, LET'S GET CARS OFF THE ROAD, MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH.
I'M DOING STUFF IN COMPLIANCE.
THE OTHER BIG COMPLIANCE WOULD BE IF YOU ACTUALLY BUILT A FOURPLEX IN AN R FOUR AREA, YOU WOULD NEED X AMOUNT OF PARKING.
SO LET'S GET 'EM OFF THE STREET.
THEN THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE TAKING AWAY YOUR, UH, WHICH ORIGINALLY THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T.
THEN THEY SAID, WELL NOW WE'RE TAKING YOUR OFF STREET PARKING AWAY.
SO I GOT A CORNER UNIT HERE WITH FOUR UNITS WITH NO ON STREET, OFF STREET PARKING ON THE SIDES WHEN I WAS TOLD ONE THING BY PEOPLE.
AND THEN IT'S COMEBACKS LATER I GO TO THE MEETING AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL THAT'S NOT EXACTLY THE CASE, YOU KNOW? AND, AND IT'S, IT'S RIDICULOUS.
THIS IS A SIDE STREET THAT'S 22 FEET WIDE WITH NOT A TON OF TRAFFIC.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, TO ME UNBELIEVABLE.
AND THEN THE, THE FINANCIAL ASPECT, I WAS GONNA TURN THIS INTO CONDOS AND SELL TWO OF THEM.
WHAT'S THE VALUE OF A CONDO WITH A PARKING SPACE VERSUS ONE WITH NO PARKING SPACE, UH, IN THESE CITIES? I MENTIONED TO YOU IT COULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS.
IF I GIVE THIS TO MY DAUGHTER WHEN SHE INHERITED, Y'ALL ARE GONNA COST HER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN VALUE OVER SOME RIDICULOUS SMALL RULE.
WELL, WELL, SIR, I, YOU KNOW, MY COMMENT ON THIS IS THAT, UH, ESPECIALLY IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY KING WILLIAM, UM, I WOULD EXPECT MOST PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW THAT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IS GONNA REQUIRE A PERMIT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, GET PAST THAT.
LIKE, I, I, I WAS TOLD THOUGH, I, AND I UNDERSTOOD THIS KIND OF LATER ON, IT WASN'T FROM SOMEONE FROM THE HISTORIC, IT WAS THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION KIND OF TOLD ME THAT IT WAS, THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S ME NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT TO ME IT'S JUST WAS A LANDSCAPING DEAL.
DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO MOVE ROCKS? YOU IT'S PARK, IT'S THE PARKING, IT'S REALLY THE PARKING CONCEPT THAT REALLY, REALLY KIND OF THROWS A WRENCH INTO THAT.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK BACK ON GOOGLE, IF YOU GO BACK TO LIKE 2011, IT SHOWS THAT THIS WAS, IT HAD A VEGETATION SCREEN.
AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE, THE PAVERS WERE ACTUALLY PART OF LIKE A BACKYARD PATIO AREA, WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN AN OFF STREET PARKING SCENARIO.
UH, THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE GO THROUGH PERMITTING IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CITIZENS DON'T HAVE DISCONNECTION WITH CITY SERVICES AND PARK AND, AND CURB CUTS AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF WASN'T A FOURPLEX, THIS WASN'T FOUR UNITS AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT I GUESS I'M SPEAKING TO, I'M SPEAKING TO
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THE PROCESS OF A PERMIT IS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE DISCONNECTION.SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE, HAVE A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S UP TO DATE WITH, WITH CURB CUTS WITH YOUR CITY SERVICES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT SO THAT EVERYTHING HAPPENS TOGETHER.
BECAUSE WHEN IT'S DISJOINTED, THINGS HAVE TO BE REDONE.
IT COSTS THE CITY MONEY, IT COSTS YOU MONEY, IT COSTS US TIME.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY, TO ME, THE HEART OF THIS ISSUE IS THAT THE PERMITS AND THE PROCESS WASN'T FOLLOWED.
I'M, I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU.
UH, I OWN A PROPERTY THAT I PUT OVER $250,000 INTO IF I WANNA CHANGE SOME ROCKS INSTEAD OF MULCH, I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COME HERE.
NOW I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT, SO I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND YES, I WENT OFF A LITTLE BIT BY HAVING THE WRONG ROCKS, BUT IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
IT'S A FINANCIAL IMPACT ON ME, A FUTURE FINANCIAL IMPACT.
AND IT, IT JUST IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS TO ME.
BUT WE, YOU ARE IN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND HISTORIC HOME.
SO WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THOSE GUIDELINES.
UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION, UH, I, I HAVE A COMMENT HERE.
UH, THIS PIECE, UH, OF STREET FACING FRONT HAS NOT HISTORICALLY BEEN USED AS A PARKING LOT.
A CURB CUT ALONG THE STREET SIDE AND PARKING CARS IN ALONG THE STREET IS NOT THE PATTERN THAT'S FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK THE GUIDELINES ARE SPEAK REALLY CLEARLY ON THIS.
I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT OR THE PROCESS, YOU CAN ALWAYS APPEAL ANY DECISION HERE.
BUT I, I DO THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S POINT OF JUST PAVING THAT OVER WITH GRAVEL AND BEING ABLE TO PARK CARS ON IT IS ALSO NOT APPROPRIATE.
SO I WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A MOTION FOR DENIAL.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IF THIS IS THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, IF I PUT A FENCE UP, WHICH I'M ALLOWED TO, IT'D BE THE EXACT SAME THING, EXCEPT THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WITH TWO PARKING SPACES AND I GOT A QUADPLEX WITH FOUR THAT COULD USE FOUR PARKING SPACES.
IT WOULD LITERALLY BE IDENTICAL TO THAT.
WELL, I, I JUST WOULD ADD, LOOKING AT THE 2011 PHOTO AND LOOKING AT WHAT IT IS NOW, I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO, I MEAN, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY'S ALWAYS RIGHT.
AND I'D LIKE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT TO GO AROUND FOR US TO SHARE THE, THE, THE, UH, PHOTOS DEMONSTRATE AN EVOLUTION FROM ONE KIND OF UNACCEPTABLE ENVIRONMENT TO ONE THAT IS REALLY, REALLY A VERY IMPORTANT IMPROVEMENT FOR EVERYBODY THAT WOULD CARE ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, I GUESS THE LESSON IS TO, TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, FOLLOW THE, THE GUIDELINES AND HOPEFULLY THE GUIDELINES WORK, UH, UH, FOR YOU AS, AS MUCH AS THEY WORK FOR THE CITY.
BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO, UM, UM, AGAIN, LIKE THE OTHER ONE, BE COMMENDED FOR DOING THE HARD WORK THAT IT DOES.
THAT IT CAUSE CAUSES TO MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD A BETTER NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVEN IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE BLACK ROBBERY.
AND THE THING I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON IS THAT, UM, I, THE HISTORIC, THE REASON THIS HOUSE IS WORTH A LOT IS 'CAUSE OF WHAT HISTORIC PEOPLE DID.
I, AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, I USE, I USE STUFF THAT I THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME.
IT'S, THIS IS NOT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THE OLDER PICTURES ARE FROM WHEN IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT WAS TURNED INTO A FOURPLEX, WHICH IS TOTALLY OKAY IN THIS AREA.
R FOUR YOU ONE CODE IS GONNA SAY, I HAVE TO HAVE PARKING SPACES AND THEN SOME HISTORIC THING THAT DOES NOTHING TO ANYBODY WHO, WHO'S, WHO'S GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS.
I, I UNDERSTAND THIS POINT TOO.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE, ON THE FLOOR.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UM, BEFORE WE HAVE A SECOND, UM, THE MOTION MIGHT WARRANT CLARIFICATION.
THERE'S TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST IS THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PARKING PAD, AND THE SECOND IS THE CURB CUT.
SO THE MOTION WAS FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS.
I WAS ASSUMING SINCE THE ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS NOT ANY, LIKE, BECAUSE THE CURB CUT'S BEEN REBUILT AND T C I WOULD NEED APPROVAL FOR THE CURB CUT.
SO I, I WOULD PAY FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION ITEM NUMBER TWO.
SECOND, SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I'D LIKE FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO YOU, EXCUSE ME, SIR, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE, WHAT THE MOTION WAS, UH, TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE AND YOU CAN JUST WORK WITH STAFF WITH WHAT COLOR? GRAVEL.
AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANNA PARK A CAR THERE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT JUST, UM, IF YOU DO ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, JUST GIVE STACK.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE CURB AND CURB WILL STAY? WELL, THE GUIDELINES ARE, IT'S 10 IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT'S APPROVED TODAY.
YOU CAN'T APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
BUT DO Y'ALL SEE WHAT THE NEW CURB IS? ARE THERE PICTURES OF THE NEW CURB? FRICKING GIGANTIC.
WHY AM I GONNA PARK CARS UP THERE? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE, UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
DID IT PASS? YEAH, THE CURB IS LIKE THAT.
MOTION PASSES THE WHOLE WAY DOWN.
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ITEM B[B-7 20-2407 Address/Description: 215 E ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-058 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Jim Weynand Request: Window replacement City Council Dist.: 1]
SEVEN, AGENDA, ITEM B SEVEN H D C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 5 8 2 15 EAST ROSEWOOD.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING WITNESS TO REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH NEW WINDOWS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS IN PLACE.
IF AN ASSEMBLY IS DEEMED DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR BY THE H D R C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE NEW WINDOWS MEET THE STAFF.
STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WAS REFERRED TO D R TO A D R C SITE VISIT AT THE H D R C HEARING ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 19TH, 2020.
THE D R C SITE VISIT WAS COMPLETED ON WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 26TH, 2020.
MY NAME IS JIM WEINAND AND I'M REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNER THERE AT TWO 15 EAST ROSEWOOD.
UH, WE WERE HERE PREVIOUSLY TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO, AND I SUGGESTED THAT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, THAT WE WOULD PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS WITH EXACTLY THE SAME STYLE OF WINDOW AND THE SAME SIZE OF WINDOW IN THE EXISTING HOME.
THE MAIN REASON IS THAT IS BECAUSE MANY OF THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN DETERIORATED AND SOME OF THE WINDOWS ARE NOT THE EXACT WINDOW THAT WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE HOME.
AND WE FEEL FOR SAFETY REASONS THAT THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED BECAUSE, AND THE OTHER REASONING IS, IS I'M UNABLE TO FIND A REPAIR COMPANY IN SAN ANTONIO TO REBUILD THESE WINDOWS AND IT WOULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE AND TIME CONSUMING TO GET THE WINDOWS REBUILT IN THE HOME.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'LL COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, YOU WERE SOME COMMISSIONERS THAT WENT STAFF AND VISITED THE PROPERTY.
UM, IS THERE A WINDOW SCHEDULE SOMEWHERE? UM, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT'S STILL IN AGREEMENT, BUT BASICALLY, I MEAN, WE DID GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE WINDOW AND, AND THEY'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL WINDOWS, A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
AND, UM, WE KIND OF AGREED THAT THE, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE, UM, THE OWNERS DON'T, ARE NOT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO, UM, WE DIDN'T GET TO MEET THEM, BUT WITH, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT IS WINDOW NUMBER TWO.
WAIT, AM I LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE? OKAY, SO THE 17, 18 AND 19 IS LIKE THIS THREE DOOR WINDOWS.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY CAN'T EVEN OPEN RIGHT.
WE DID AGREE THAT THOSE WE WOULD BE WILLING TO REPLACE IN KIND WITH THE SAME, UM, WINDOWS, THE SAME AMOUNT OF THE SQUARES, EVERYTHING.
AND THEN THERE'S, THIS IS PART OF A LIVING ROOM WINDOW NUMBER 15, RIGHT? WE WERE GONNA REPLACE THAT ONE AS IS.
AND THE APPLICANT WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE RECTANGULAR WINDOW.
AND WINDOW NUMBER 20 AND 21 AS WELL.
UM, REPLACE IN KIND, THESE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL WINDOWS ALSO BECAUSE THEY KIND OF MATCH THIS WINDOW.
DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF 20 AND 21? 2021 FOR THERE ANY OTHER WINDOWS THAT WE AGREED TO REPLACE IN KIND? I THINK THE REST WE SAID TO REPAIR THAT ONE.
IS THE APPLICANT STILL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? I MEAN, IT'S A FIRST STEP.
ALL THE BURGER BEARERS, THEY'RE GONNA BE GONE.
THEY'RE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE APPLICANT WERE KIND OF NOT IN AGREEMENT WAS, I MEAN THERE IS SOME WATER COMING IN, BUT THERE WE COULDN'T REALLY SEE ANY WATER DAMAGE.
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS HOUSE IS JUST REPAIRING THE STONE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
THERE'S SOME CRACKS AND, AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
THE HOUSE IS BEING REMODELED AND ONCE THEY DO THOSE REPAIRS, UM, I THINK THOSE WINDOWS WORK FINE.
I MEAN, ALL THE WINDOWS ARE WORKING.
THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S NO SIGN OF WOOD ROT.
THERE'S NO SIGN ONLY THESE THAT THEY COULDN'T BE REPAIRED FAIRLY EASY.
UM, THINK STAFF WAS GONNA WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO FIND SOME, UM, RECOMMENDED, UM, COMPANIES TO WORK WITH.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, IF IT'S ALL POSSIBLE, THE TWO WINDOWS IN THE JOINING ROOM, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE LIVING ROOM, WHICH IS THE DINING ROOM.
SINCE THOSE, THAT ROOM IS KIND OF SHARED WITHOUT ANY DOORWAYS IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO ROOMS. I THINK WE
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TALKED, CAN WE SH CAN YOU SH PULL UP THE WINDOW SCHEDULE TO SEE WHICH WINDOW NUMBERS IT IS? WONDERING IF IT, WE COULD GET THOSE TWO WINDOWS APPROVED WOULD BE 22 AND 23 TO MATCH THE 20 AND 21 INSTEAD OF HAVING, UH, A DIFFERENT, WELL, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WINDOWS.22 AND 23 WERE LIKE ONE OVER ONE, WHEREAS 21, 20 AND 21 WERE YEAH, LIKE CASEMENT WINDOWS.
IN TERMS OF, UH, REPLACEMENT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS SAME DESIRES, SAME DESIGN STYLE.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE MATCH AND ANOTHER MATCH, THEY WANT WOOD WINDOWS.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THAT THERE'S PLASTER, THERE WAS PLASTER ON THE WALLS AND ALL THE PLASTER'S BEEN REMOVED.
AND, AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CREATES A GAP THAT THE SHEET ROCK, IT'S LESS THICK THAN THE PLASTER, BUT THAT DOES, THAT IS NOT A REASON TO CHANGE OUT A WHOLE WINDOW.
SO THERE'S OTHER SOLUTIONS TO THAT.
SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD BE IN KIND WOOD WINDOWS WITH TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS? YES, EXACTLY.
NOTHING'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT IN SIZE OR SHAPE OR STYLE.
IN FACT, UH, ONE OF THE WINDOWS THAT WAS SPECIFICATION WAS SPECIFIED WAS THE GEL WIND WINDOW, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME MEASUREMENTS THAT Y'ALL ARE RECOMMENDING, WHICH IS A W 25 WOOD WINDOW.
I, IF YOU
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO, I MEAN I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO A FAIRLY GOOD JOB.
I WOULD BE, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF UH, REPLACING IN KIND THE WINDOWS THAT THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO.
SO, UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE NUMBERS? 15, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE APPLICATION? IF NOT, THAT COULD BE A MOTION.
SO I'LL UM, MOVE TO APPROVE, REPAIR EXISTING WINDOWS AND REPLACE IN KIND WINDOW.
15, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 AND 23.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OKAY, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
ITEM B EIGHT, ITEM B EIGHT, CASE
[B-8 20-2387 Address/Description: 311 PEREIDA ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-086 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: Amy Perez/KAI HOMES LLC Request: Front yard fencing City Council Dist.: 1]
NUMBER 20 20 0 86 AT 3 1 1 PARALTA.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A THREE FOOT TALL WOOD PICKET FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD.
TWO TO INSTALL A 12 FOOT WIDE ELECTRIC GATE CROSSING THE DRIVEWAY AND A FIVE FOOT WIDE MANUAL GATE CROSSING THE THE WALKWAY AND THREE TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL WOOD PRIVACY FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE WITH THE MAIN STIPULATION THAT THE GATE BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE PLANE RATHER THAN IN FRONT AS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO, UH, PROTEST AGAINST THE LOCATION OF THAT DRIVEWAY GATE.
THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR CASE FILES AS WELL AS PUBLIC COMMENTS WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD.
I'M THE OWNER OF 3 1 1 PEDA, FORMERLY 1 1 4 CEDAR STREET.
IT'S THE HOUSE THAT WAS MOVED FROM THE BOTTOM ACADEMY PROPERTY.
SO THERE'S THREE MAIN ITEMS THAT I'M REQUESTING.
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY HOUSE TO BUILD A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE THE FULL WAY FROM THE BACK OF THE LOT TO THE FRONT.
THE WAY THAT OUR LOT IS, IS WE'RE IN BETWEEN TWO CORNER LOTS.
SO BOTH OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE FENCE LINES THAT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S WHY ON NUMBER ONE I'D LIKE TO DO IT FROM THE BACK ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT.
NUMBER TWO, LIKE TO DO THE PICKET FENCE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND HOW THEY WOULD LIKE ME TO DO IT.
THEY DON'T WANT THE PICKET FENCE TO HAVE THE ELECTRIC GATE THAT CROSSES
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IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE FENCE WHERE IT WOULD CROSS THE, AT THE SIDEWALK MARK.AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THEIR STIPULATION ON.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE TO THE FACADE.
HOW IT CURRENTLY IS, IT'S ALREADY THERE, IT'S JUST KIND OF FALLING OVER.
AND THEN FROM THERE FORWARD DOING THE PICKET FENCE.
AT THE TIME THAT I SUBMITTED MY REQUEST FOR THE FENCE, I ALSO REQUESTED TO DO MY DRIVEWAY AND WALKWAY.
MY WALKWAY WAS APPROVED AND SO IT WAS THE DRIVEWAY WITH A COUPLE OF MODIFICATIONS.
AND THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED.
AND THE REASON I SUBMITTED THEM TOGETHER IS BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY REALLY AFFECTS THE WAY THAT THE FENCE IS.
AND I WAS HOPING THAT STAFF WOULD TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WITH APPROVING THE FENCE.
THIS IS A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF HOW THINGS ARE GONNA BE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD REALLY HELP TO SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE POURED THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY ON MONDAY.
SO IF YOU SEE THE WAY THE MEASUREMENTS ARE, 'CAUSE THERE'S THAT TREE THAT'S RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
WHILE WE HAVE 13 FEET FROM THE HOUSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT TWO FEET FROM THE WAY THAT THE TREE KIND OF CURVES OUT.
SO WE'VE HAD TO POSITION THE DRIVEWAY CLOSER TO THE HOUSE THAN TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
CURRENTLY, IF WE'RE GONNA GO DRIVING FROM OR PULL INTO THE WHERE I'D LIKE THE GATE TO BE, IT WOULD WORK GREAT.
I COULD HIT THE BUTTON, THE GATE WOULD OPEN PLENTY OF ROOM TO DRIVE IT.
IF I DO WHAT STAFF IS ASKING ME TO DO, THE GATE WON'T BE UNTIL THE HOUSE STARTS.
AND IF I HAVE TO ADD THAT GATE IN THAT TINY TWO FOOT SPACE, THAT WOULD TAKE ABOUT MAYBE A FOOT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT FENCE LINE RIGHT THERE.
SO IF YOU OPEN YOUR CAR DOOR, YOU'VE GOT A FOOT AND THAT IS MOSTLY TAKEN UP BY YOUR CAR DOOR.
THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY TO PHYSICALLY GET OUT OF YOUR CAR.
SO SAY YOU PULL IN, POWER'S OUT, YOUR GATE DOESN'T OPEN, YOU HAVE TO JUMP ACROSS YOUR CAR TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT.
I ALSO HAVE A THREE-YEAR-OLD WHO IS IN A CAR SEAT BEHIND ME.
THERE'S NO CHANCE I COULD GET HER OUT OF THERE.
AND ANOTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME IS HAVING THAT CONSISTENT PRIVACY FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN.
IF YOU HIT THE BUTTON, IT'LL, IT SHOULD MAKE THAT VIDEO PLAY ON THE LEFT SIDE.
IF YOU JUST HIT THE ARROW, IT'LL PLAY, IT'S ON THE LEFT.
SO THIS IS MY CURRENT FENCE LINE ON THIS SIDE OF MY PROPERTY.
THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS, NONE OF WHICH BELONG TO ME.
SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS.
AND I, I THINK SOME VERY IMPORTANT THINGS ARE THIS HOUSE, THE WHITE ONE IN THE BACK.
THAT ONE'S BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION SINCE I BOUGHT MY HOUSE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND IN THAT TIME, THAT BACK SECTION, THEY TAKE THE FENCE DOWN, THEY PUT IT BACK UP AND PEOPLE WILL ENTER FROM THEIR PROPERTY AND COME TO OURS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION FENCE UP AND THEY'LL STEAL THINGS.
IF IT'S NOT NAILED DOWN, IT'S WALKING OFF 'CAUSE PEOPLE COME STRAIGHT THROUGH.
ALSO, I WENT TO THE HOUSE, I WANNA SAY IT WAS LATE NOVEMBER, EARLY DECEMBER, AND THEY HAD BUILT THESE 10 FOOT STRUCTURES IN MY YARD.
DIDN'T EVER ASK ME ONE OF THE, I GUESS, RULINGS WITH YOU ALL WAS THAT THEY HAD TO REPAIR THIS GARAGE SLASH SHED AND THEY BUILT THESE SUPPORT STRUCTURES TO BUILD A NEW FOUNDATION UNDER IT AND JUST LEFT THEM THERE.
THEY WERE THERE FOR ABOUT TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE WERE WORKING ON GETTING OUR DRIVEWAY.
AND WE ASKED SOME COMMUNITY MEMBERS, HEY, CAN YOU GIVE US THESE PEOPLE'S INFORMATION SO WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT GETTING THESE REMOVED? AND THEY FINALLY DID.
SO NOW WE'RE ABLE TO WORK ON THIS DRIVEWAY, BUT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR YARD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THESE FIVE DIFFERENT FENCE LINES DON'T BELONG TO US.
AND IF I AM FORCED TO DO THE FENCE THE WAY THAT THEY'RE TELLING ME TO DO IT, I WOULD HAVE A PICKET FENCE WHERE YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE THERE'S A PRIVACY FENCE AND THEN A GARAGE WITH GRAFFITI.
THAT GRAFFITI HAS ALSO BEEN THERE THE ENTIRE YEAR AND A HALF THAT I'VE OWNED THE HOUSE.
SO THEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING BY, DRIVING BY, THIS IS WHAT THEY SEE.
AND THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL IN THE PICTURE, IT'S A THREE-TIERED FENCE, DEFINITELY NOT APPROVED.
AND SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE TAKEN UPON THEMSELVES TO ADD MULTIPLE LAYERS, WHICH I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT WAS AN EMPTY LOT FOR SO LONG.
AND THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEIR BACKYARD FROM WHATEVER WOULD GO ON IN THIS EMPTY LOT BEFORE WE BECAME IN.
UM, AND WHILE THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT THE REASON THAT THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH HAVING THE ELECTRIC FENCE AT THE SIDEWALK IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMMON ACROSS ALL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT IN KING WILLIAM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY COMMON.
ALL OF THESE PICTURES ARE FROM THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S USED QUITE OFTEN.
THIS IS ALSO THE PICKET STYLE.
UH, MY NEIGHBORS BOTH HAVE THREE FOOT HIGH, SO I'VE CHOSEN TO GO WITH THIS SAME STYLE AND THREE
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FOOT HIGH AS WELL.HERE'S A PICTURE SHOWING MY HOUSE KIND OF FROM THE SIDE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S A FENCE AND A FENCE, BOTH AT THE LINE WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS.
AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO CONTINUE IT IN THAT SAME SPOT.
YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR CONSTRUCTION FENCE IS AND IT WOULD JUST GO WITH THE PLACE WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION FENCE IS.
AND THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH.
UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA REPLACE THAT SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE AND THEN WHERE THEIR CHAIN LINK FENCE IS, THAT'S WHERE OUR PICKET FENCE WILL BEGIN.
AND THEN IT WILL TURN ONCE IT GOES TO THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK.
AND I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WE'VE COME A VERY LONG WAY ON THIS PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LAST TIME I'VE SEEN YOU GUYS.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THIS HOUSE WAS NEVER GOING TO BECOME LIVABLE AND HERE IT IS JUST 30 DAYS AWAY.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S AS BEAUTIFUL AS ALL THE PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT TO SAVE IT HOPED IT WOULD BE.
AND I THINK BY DOING THIS FENCE THE RIGHT WAY CAN REALLY HELP FINALIZE IT AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON IT COULD BE PROUD OF.
UM, WE DO HAVE A CI CITIZEN TO BE HEARD AND THEN WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP.
I'M MARY NEERY AND I LIVE AT THREE 18 BEDA.
I'VE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LOT FOR 30 YEARS.
MY FRIENDS ASSOCIATES AND I SAVED THIS HOUSE FROM DEMOLITION AND EVENTUALLY HELPED FIND ITS NEW HOME.
IT'S THE NEW FRONT TOOTH ON PEREIRA.
AN INFILL PROJECT ON A TIGHT LOT FOR A RELOCATED ALFRED GILES HOUSE CREATES A UNIQUE SITUATION.
THIS HOUSE WAS NOT NEWLY DESIGNED AND THE LOT HAS VERY TIGHT SETBACKS.
FIVE FOOT ON THE WEST, A LARGE TREE ON THE EAST.
NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES BUILT WITH ZERO SETBACK ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO A DIMINISHED DRIVE WIDTH.
MANEUVERING ABILITY ENTERING AND EXITING AUTOS IS LIMITED.
THE DRIVEWAY IS LEFT OVER AND INADEQUATE.
THERE ARE CONTINUOUS FENCE LINES ON THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
MY TWO CORNER LOTS ACROSS HAVE A CONTINUING FENCE, CONTINUOUS FENCE.
AND GATE THREE 12 PEDA NEXT TO ME AND ACROSS FROM THREE 11 HAS A 270 FOOT DEEP LOT.
SO THIS FACE OF THE HOUSE DRIVEWAY GATE WORKS IN THAT INSTANCE REQUIRING A PERMANENT DRIVE AS IN THE O H P SKETCH WOULD CREATE A MISSING TOOTH.
THE RESIDENTIAL AND CHARACTER HAS A HIGH TRAFFIC COUNT AS A COLLECTOR STREET FIRST FRIDAY.
AND CITY HOSTED EVENTS BRING TENTS AND CONTINUOUS LEVELS OF PEDESTRIANS.
THE OWNER WISHES TO BE ABLE TO KEEP GATES CLOSED.
THE REDUCED LOT SIZE LEAVES ONLY A SMALL BACKYARD AND PETS AND CHILDREN NEED A SAFE PLACE SPACE TO RUN AND PLAY.
MY HOUSE CAN BE SEEN ACROSS IN ONE OF THOSE PHOTOS.
AND I HAVE A FENCE AT THE FRONT OF MY PROPERTY, 111 FEET WIDE.
AND THERE'S A GATE THERE THAT IS NOT ELECTRIC YET.
ONE DAY IT WILL BE A FENCE BETWEEN THE NEW RIBBON DRIVE AND THIS EXACT REPRODUCTION OF AN ALFRED GILES PORCH WOULD BE HIGHLY INFEASIBLE AND IMPRACTICAL.
I APPLAUD THE EFFORTS MADE TO SAVE THIS IMPORTANT HOUSE AND FULLY SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
I DO WANNA ADD ONE THING THAT I SPOKE TO LISA, THE DIRECTOR OF OUR KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION.
UM, THE ARCHITECT HELPING ME WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE RATIONALE FOR SUPPORTING THIS CASE.
CHRISTINE VINA WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE A A C MEETING MONDAY NIGHT.
SHE'S THE ONE WHO GAVE ME THE LANGUAGE AND THE RATIONALE TO SUPPORT WHAT I KNOW IS GOOD COMMON SENSE.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY SHE WASN'T THERE AT THE A C MEETING MONDAY NIGHT OR THEY WOULD HAVE TURNED IN A LETTER SUPPORTING AMY'S CASE.
SHE'S BEEN HELPING AMY BEHIND THE SCENES AS WELL.
I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT CHANGES TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THOSE ARE NOT ON THIS APPLICATION OR YOU SAID THERE WERE CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS TO.
I SUBMITTED TWO APPLICATIONS AT THE SAME TIME.
I SUBMITTED ONE FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND ONE FOR THE FENCE.
THEY APPROVED THE DRIVEWAY I UNDERSTAND PRETTY QUICKLY WITH A COUPLE MODIFICATIONS.
ORIGINALLY HAD THREE FOOT RIBBONS, THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THEM TO TWO AND IT WAS THEN THE WALKWAY.
I HAD ORIGINALLY HAD IT FIVE FEET, THEY SWITCHED TO THREE FEET.
VERY MINOR CHANGES, SO I DIDN'T WANNA FIGHT IT.
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PROPOSAL HERE ON ITEMS ONE, TWO AND THREE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES SAYS PROPOSED AND AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL IS SUBMITTED SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? YOU ALL SO MUCH SAY NAY.
AGENDA ITEM B NINE, CASE NUMBER 20 20 0 76
[B-9 20-2413 Address/Description: 427 E FRENCH PLACE HDRC Case No.: 2020-076 Historic District Name: East French Place Applicant: Joe Martinez III/Generations construction and remodeling Request: Column reconstruction, skirting replacement, front door removal and replacement, fenestration changes City Council Dist.: 1]
AT 4 27 EAST FRENCH PLACE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE REPLACE DAMAGED STUCCO SKIRTING WITH NEW STUCCO SKIRTING.RECONSTRUCT THE WOOD PORCH COLUMNS.
RECONSTRUCT THE CONCRETE STEPS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE FOUR.
MODIFY THE LOCATION OF A WINDOW ON THE EAST FACADE BY SHIFTING IT EIGHT INCHES TO THE REAR.
REPLACED THE SIDE FACING ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR WITH A NEW METAL DOOR.
ENCLOSED THE STREET FACING FRONT DOOR OPENING.
AND SEVEN, INSTALL A REAR WATER CLOSET HEATER THAT RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE SKIRTING FEATURE ONE 17 PROFILE WOOD LAP SIDING OR HARDY PLANK OR WITH A METAL FLASHING MEMBER AT GRADE RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED STUCCO.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE COLUMNS MATCH THE PROPORTION OF THE PREVIOUS COLUMNS BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AS INSTALLED PRIOR TO APPROVAL.
THE COLUMNS ARE THINNER THAN THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM OF PORCH STEP RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT MEASURED DRAWINGS ARE SUBMITTED TO STAFF.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF WINDOW RELOCATION BASED ON FINDING F WITH THIS STIPULATION THAT D FENESTRATION MODIFICATION SHOULD BE PERFORMED IN A MANNER THAT MINIMIZES ALTERATIONS OF WALL FRAMING OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING FIVE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING G THE ORIGINAL DOOR SHOULD BE RESTORED.
IF THAT DOOR HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY DISCARDED, THEN A SALVAGE CRAFTSMAN STYLE WOOD DOOR OR CUSTOM RECONSTRUCTED WOOD DOOR SHOULD BE INSTALLED.
INSTEAD, THE APPLICANT SHOULD USE THE EXISTING FRONT FACING ORIGINAL DOOR AS A REFERENCE TO MATCH.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF DOOR REMOVAL AND INTERIOR TREATMENT SUCH AS A FUR WALL.
DOES NOT REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND SEVEN STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REAR WATER CLOSET HEATER BASED ON FINDING I ALL WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL.
SHOULD BE RESOLVED WITH A COMMISSION ACTION PRIOR TO RECEIVING ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND IF, UM, THE COMMISSION DIDN'T GLEAN FROM MY RECOMMENDATION, UH, THERE'S TWO FRONT DOOR, UH, TWO FRONT DOORS ON THIS PROPERTY.
I'M THE CONTRACTOR ON THE JOB, SIR.
UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE? DO YOU AGREE WITH ANY OF THEM OR DO YOU WANT TO, UH, OKAY.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ONE ABOUT THE SKIRTING THERE? UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR METAL OR HARDY BOARD, IS THAT CORRECT? IT SHOULD FEATURE A WOOD LAP SIDING DOWN TO GRADE OR HARDY LAP SIDING DOWN TO GRADE AND YOU CAN USE METAL FLASHING AT THE VERY BOTTOM PIECE.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE NOT APPROVED, THE STREET FACING DOOR REMOVAL, UH, SO WE PUT, THERE'S A BEDROOM THERE AND WE REMOVED THE WALL ON THE INSIDE.
SO NOW THERE'S A BEDROOM WITH A DOOR AND AN ENTRY DOOR INSIDE THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE WANNA REMOVE THAT DOOR FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
THE DOOR THAT'S IN QUESTION TO BE CHANGED OUT TO A METAL DOOR IS THE ONE FACING EAST.
THAT ONE THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED OUT.
WE CHANGED IT OUT BECAUSE OF SECURITY ISSUES WHEN WE FIRST GOT TO THE JOB, UM, WE HAVE DECIDED TO PUT THE ORIGINAL DOOR BACK THAT WAS THERE, WHICH MATCHES THE DOOR THAT YOU SEE TO THE RIGHT.
WE JUST ASK THAT WE CAN REMOVE THE BEDROOM.
SO YOU'RE GONNA YOUR DOOR REPLACE THIS DOOR WITH WHAT WAS ORIGINAL.
DID YOU CHANGE ANY FRAMES OR ANYTHING ON THE INSIDE TO CORRECT? YES, AND WE DID PULL THE PER PROPER PERMITS AND EVERYTHING.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE TOOK OUT A WALL THAT KIND OF DIVIDED THE HOUSE.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PULLING THE PROPER PERMITS? THERE'S NO, YOU HAVE TO COME HERE.
SO LET ME JUST GET A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
UM, THIS HOME AND STAFF CAN CLEAR THIS HOME.
WAS THERE WAS A STOP WORKER ORDER FOR IT BEFORE AND THEN IT WAS SOLD OR HOW DOES IT WORK? CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THE OWNER, WHICH IS SITTING BEHIND ME, MAURICE MEDI MEDINA, UH, PURCHASED A HOUSE JANUARY 3RD.
WHEN YOU SAY POOLING PERMITS, WHICH DEPARTMENT DID YOU GO TO TO GET PULL PERMITS FOR THIS DOOR? FOR THE DOOR? WE DID NOT, WE CHANGED OUT THE DOOR JUST BECAUSE OF SECURITY ISSUES
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WHEN HE GOT THE HOUSE.BUT YOU CHANGED THE FRAMING OF THAT DOOR FRAME, CORRECT? JUST THE THE INTERIOR FRAME? YES.
SO WHEN YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE IT WITH THE ORIGINAL DOOR, YOU WILL REVERT THE FRAMING THAT YOU CHANGED? I CAN PUT, YEAH, I CAN PUT, I MEAN, I CAN PUT BACK IT'S STILL WOOD FRAME AS IT SITS.
SO LET'S JUST GET A LITTLE BIT OF A SENSE WHAT WE, WHAT WE LIKE TO PREFER IS THAT ALL ORIGINAL OPENINGS REMAIN THE SAME, SPECIFICALLY ALSO TO NOT ALTER ANY OF THE ORIGINAL FRAMING OF THE HOME.
SO YOU CAN REVERT THIS TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY, CORRECT? YES.
AND THE OTHER DOOR THAT YOU WANNA REMOVE IN THE BACK, WHAT WE USUALLY RECOMMEND IS THE BROWN DOOR.
YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, THAT BROWN DOOR.
CORRECT? THAT'S THE ONE IN THE DRAWING YOU WANNA REMOVE.
CORRECT? WE USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST RECOMMEND THE APPLICANTS TO SEAL IT AND, AND BUILD A WALL BEHIND IT.
WE DON'T, IT'S JUST AS LONG AS WE ON THE OUTSIDE CAN SEE THAT THIS ORIGINAL DOOR WAS THERE.
AND I THINK WE WERE FINE WITH THAT.
AND I THINK, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE REASON FOR THAT FOR THE NEW OWNER IS BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO DO, DO WITH THESE HISTORIC HOMES IS MAINTAIN REVERSIBILITY SO THAT IF YOU SELL THE HOUSE, THEN YOU KNOW SOMEBODY DOESN'T TO REVERT IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL NATURE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND INSTALL A DOOR, YOU KNOW, SO IF WE BUILD THE WALL FROM THE INSIDE TO HIDE THAT DOOR SO THAT IT, IT IS SECURE AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ACCESS THROUGH THAT, THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE DO THAT.
SO JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE REASONING BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I AGREE WITH MY, MY, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE AND I THINK STAFF HAS GOT THIS JUST ABOUT RIGHT.
COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER.
WE DO HAVE A CITIZEN TO BE HEARD.
I APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING YOU OFF.
UH, MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER.
I LIVE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET AND I'M SPEAKING FOR THE, UH, TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
UH, THERE IS A MISTAKE IN THE STATEMENT, UH, THAT, UH, WAS BUT PROBABLY IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL RIGHT NOW, UH, NONE OF THE DECORATIVE BRACKETS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
I THINK I SAW A PHOTOGRAPH AND COULDN'T SEE ANY BRACKETS, BUT I DROVE BY THE HOUSE AND THEY ARE, THERE ARE SOME OF THE BRACKETS ARE THERE.
UM, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE, UM, AGREES WITH THE STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SAY, UM, AS I SAY IN THE STATEMENT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE ORIGINAL WORK ON THE HOUSE WAS STOPPED THEN THE HOUSE SOLD WITHOUT THE NEW BUYER BEING AWARE OF THE PROHIBITIONS ON WHAT HE WANTED TO DO.
WE THANK VIGILANT NEIGHBORS FOR ALERTING THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
HOWEVER, WE HOPE THAT SOME METHOD CAN BE DEVELOPED SO THAT BUYERS OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS CAN BE BOUND TO CONTACT O H P BEFORE THEY TAKE OUT PERMITS OR DO WORK.
THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT O H P AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE HAD TO SCRAMBLE TO PROTECT OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES OR TO UNDO MISDIRECTED MODIFICATIONS TO OUR HISTORIC HOUSES.
WE JUST HOPE THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS ARE NOT SAYING THINGS TO THE O NEW OWNERS OR IF THE NEW OWNERS DON'T THINK THAT THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS MEAN WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
UM, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND TO ANY OWNER THAT THEY DO THEIR HOMEWORK, UH, BEFORE THEY START ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL ON AN OLD HOUSE.
UM, WE WANNA THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
I THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A MOTION.
UM, I APPRECIATE MS. KUSHNER'S COMMENTS AND IT IS AN ISSUE CONTINUE TO, UM, TRY TO IMPROVE, UM, OURSELVES AND TO HELP, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS TO KEEP UP WITH, UH, VIOLATIONS.
UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR AND SEVEN WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS DENIAL OF ITEM FIVE AND SIX AND WOULD DIRECT THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT THE COMMENTS, UH, LEFT BY STAFF ON THOSE ITEMS. SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[B-10 20-2414 Address/Description: 114 GLORIETTA HDRC Case No.: 2020-087 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: juan aleman/ALEMAN J PROPERTIES LLC Request: Window replacement, fenestration modifications, landscaping City Council Dist.: 2]
AGENDA ITEM B 10, CASE NUMBER 20 20 0 87 AT ONE 14 RIETTA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE, MODIFY A SINGLE FRONT WINDOW TO FUTURE TWO GANG WINDOWS.TWO TO REPLACE THE FRONT WINDOWS WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
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REPLACE NATURAL FRONT LAWN WITH CRUSHED GRANITE AND SCATTERED PLANTINGS.AND FOUR, TO CONSTRUCT AN 87 FOOT FRONT ADDITION, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE.
MODIFICATION OF THE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE TWO GANG WINDOWS BE RESTORED TO THE ORIGINAL SINGLE WINDOW OPENING.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT MAY WORK WITH STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF NON-ORIGINAL WINDOW REPLACEMENT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE'S.
THEIR ESCAPING AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS AND STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR.
THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FRONT ADDITION BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS AN ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS ADEQUATE.
CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW.
AS CASE COMMENT ON A SITE VISIT CONDUCTED ON MARCH 1ST, 2019, STAFF FOUND THAT THE FRONT WINDOW OPENING HAD BEEN MODIFIED TO FEATURE TWO GANGED WINDOWS, THAT THE FRONT WINDOWS HAD BEEN REPLACED WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS AND THAT THE FRONT YARD HAD BEEN COVERED WITH DECOMPOSED GRANITE.
THE PROPERTY OWNER BECAME AWARE OF THE PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS WHEN SUBMITTING A RECENT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION.
UH, MY NAME JUAN AMAN, UH, ONE 14 RIETTA.
AND AS ADDITIONAL CASE COMMENT, UH, AFTER THE AGENDA AND RECOMMENDATION HAD BEEN POSTED, STAFF ALSO FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT HAD REPLACED THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR WITH THE NEW DOOR AS WELL.
MI MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST JUST TO, FOR STAFF, JUST TO HELP, UH, UH, CREATE A, AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SERIES OF EVENTS HERE.
IT THE FIRST, UM, I'M ASSUMING RIGHT, THAT THE, THE FIRST, UH, UM, UH, KNOWLEDGE ARCHITECTURALLY IS THAT THERE WAS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW WITH AN AIR CONDITION IN IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, OF THE PERIOD WHERE YOU FIRST COME TO THIS, TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS HOUSE.
NOT, NOT FROM THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT THERE WAS A WOOD WINDOW AT SOME TIME, BUT, BUT UNDER THIS PARTICULAR PERIOD OF, OF OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS HOUSE, THE PICTURE WITH THE AIR CONDITION IN IT, THAT'S LIKE THE EXISTING CONDITION RIGHT? BEFORE ANY ALTERATIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO, SO THEN THEY, THEY WENT FROM THAT SINGLE WINDOW TO KIND OF, I WOULD SAY MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT MOST DEFINITELY.
TO THE LAST IMAGE, RIGHT? ON THIS SCROLL OF, OF IMAGES, RIGHT.
THAT TAKES YOU TO THAT, TO THAT, UM, KIND OF A TAN FRAMED WINDOW, WHICH IS THERE NOW, RIGHT? WE WANNA KNOW WHAT IS, IF WE WENT OVER THERE RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD FIND THAT, UM, PAGE 25.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD FIND NOW, RIGHT? UH, YES, SIR.
SO, SO THEN THE, THE, THE, UM, STAFF'S, UH, DISAPPROVAL IS NOT OF THAT ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOW, IT'S OF THIS ALUMINUM WINDOW RIGHT SIZE.
IT'S NOT STAFF'S OPINION GUIDELINES SAY THAT WE SHOULD REPLACE IF THERE'S GONNA REPLACE SOMETHING, REPLACE WITH THE SAME, BUT WE TRY NOT TO MODIFY ANY SIZES, WINDOWS, DOORS IN MATERIAL.
THIS IS A VERY TYPICAL FENESTRATION OPENING FOR THIS TYPE OF HOME.
NO, I'M SURE THAT AROUND THE BLOCK IT'S THE SAME SIZE WINDOW MOST HOUSES HAVE, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER OF THE SERIES OF EVENTS HERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO TOOK A WOOD WINDOW, DESTROYED THE WOOD WINDOW AND PUT THESE TWO ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PERSON THAT, THAT HAD A SITUATION THAT CLEARLY HAD, UH, PATCHES ON THE SIDE AND HAD AN OLD SCHOOL ALUMINUM WINDOW IN THERE AND, AND THEN SOUGHT TO MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT AND PUT THE DOUBLE WINDOWS IN THERE.
BUT OF COURSE THEY WEREN'T THE WINDOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE, WERE WOOD WINDOWS, RIGHT? WAIT, CAN YOU GO TO THE PHOTO THAT SHOWS THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION? OKAY.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS THAT
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THAT OPENING THAT WE SEE AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENING SIZE AS RESTORED VERSUS THE DOUBLE GANGED WINDOW.SO WE'RE NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE RETURNED TO THAT CONDITION, BUT WE'RE SAYING THAT THE SIZE SHOULD BE RESTORED AND THAT WELL, WELL, THE ORIGINAL OPENING, I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THAT, THAT THE OPENING CASE AND IT WAS THERE.
THE ONLY THING IS I DID, I WENT BASED ON MY NEIGHBOR'S, UH, WINDOWS.
I SAID, OKAY, THIS HOW IT USED TO BE JUST TWO WINDOWS.
AND THAT'S HOW I TOOK MY IDEA JUST TO REPLACE IT WITH THE TWO WINDOWS TO MAKE IT VERY TYPICAL TO MY NEIGHBOR AND I, BECAUSE I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE.
AS YOU SEE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT WAS LIKE THE OPENING WAS THERE FOR THE TWO WINDOWS.
WELL, IT, WHETHER IT WAS ONE WINDOW OR TWO WINDOWS, IT WAS A WINDOW THAT WAS WIDER AND TALLER THAN WHAT, UH, WAS THERE IN THIS PICTURE AND WHAT, UM, WAS TALLER THAN WHAT, AND NARROWER THAN WHAT WAS INSTALLED.
SO THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT A LARGER WINDOW WAS THERE.
UM, BUT, UH, GOING TO THE DOUBLE WINDOW THAT'S WIDER AND SHORTER THAN WHAT THE HISTORIC FRAMING WAS, IS WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
THE BIG ISSUE, WELL, I HAVE MY NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS, UH, HE'S BEEN THERE SINCE ALL HIS LIFE.
AND, UM, BASED ON HIS, UH, BECAUSE I ALWAYS ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THAT ORIGINALLY THAT, THAT, THAT THOSE, THERE WERE TWO WINDOWS THERE.
AND UH, AND, AND IT WAS VERY TYPICAL TO THE ONES I HAVE ON MY NEIGHBOR.
IF THERE WERE TWO WINDOWS THERE THAT THEY WERE FRAMED NOT IN THIS PROPORTION.
THAT IS IT THERE NOW? WELL, THEY WERE NOT TOLD BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UH, THE OPENING, THE, THE OPENING THAT YOU SEE THERE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE, THE OPENING, WHAT HAPPENED IS I TOOK SOME ROTTEN WOOD, UH, JUST ABOVE THE, UH, THE OPENING.
AND THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS, IT, IT IS A LITTLE TALLER, BUT THAT, THAT WAS BECAUSE EVERY PLACE ON ROTTEN WOOD FROM THERE, Y YEAH.
AND IF YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK BACK AT THAT PICTURE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU CAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE HEADER, THE EXISTING HEADER LOCATION.
UM, YOU WANTED THE SLIDES WHERE THE ONE WHERE THE WALLS OPEN.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE.
I JUST REPLACED THAT THERE DAY.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT, UM, I THINK IT'S A, A VERY, VERY HONEST EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION.
UM, MAYBE IT WASN'T THE, THE BEST, UH, RESEARCH TO ASK THE NEIGHBOR WHO, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORLY, YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT YOU THINK WAS THERE.
BUT I THINK IT WAS A VERY HONEST, UH, UH, KIND OF OVERSIGHT, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE, THE BUILDING.
I THINK THERE WAS OTHER WINDOWS THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION COULD BE GIVEN TO, TO THE OWNER AT THIS POINT, TO BE MINDFUL OF THE, OF WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WILL BE WITH EVERY OTHER WINDOW IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATION, IT DOES CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE HOME A BIT.
UM, BUT UM, ACCORDING TO NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WAS JUST A MISTAKE.
ACCORDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LETTERS, THEY'RE VERY UPSET THAT THIS KEEPS CONTINUING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I GUESS IT'S NOT THE FIRST CASE.
THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE THAT HE HAD INSTALLED A WINDOW THAT WAS WRONG AND IS A STOP WORKER, AND THEN YOU GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR.
SO I GUESS YOU'RE NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS OF THIS HOME.
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE, WELL, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING OR IS IT, ONE THING IS I DON'T UNDERSTAND, SINCE WHEN IS THIS HAPPENING THAT, THAT YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING THE, THE HOMEOWNERS? I OWN THIS HOME.
I'M NOT, I I, I DIDN'T BUY THIS HOME LIKE TWO, TWO WEEKS AGO.
IT'S LIKE, I'VE BEEN OWNING THIS HOME LIKE 22 YEARS.
HOW LONG HAS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT EXISTED NUITY HILL FOR ABOUT THAT LONG? YES.
IT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN SAN ANTONIO.
JUST LATELY IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY HARD FOR ME AS A HOMEOWNER.
YOU KNOW, IT IS BEEN, I'VE BEEN REALLY PENALIZED FOR IN TAXES AND ALL THESE IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M NOT PAYING NO ONE TO ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES THAT YOUR PROPERTY IS GOING UP AT PRICE SO MUCH.
IT'S A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIVE IN.
UM, I, THERE MIGHT BE, UH, SOME MISUNDERSTANDING.
UM, I I I JUST TEND TO FEEL LIKE STAFF HAS THE RIGHT ONE ON THIS ONE.
WE CAN'T LET, I MEAN, WE CAN MAYBE COME TO A COMPROMISE OR, OR SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE.
UM, BUT THIS IS A, A VERY BIG CHANGE.
AND I DO ALSO RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT TO NOT DO ANYTHING FURTHER WITHOUT TALKING TO STAFF.
ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING TO THE HOUSE, I WOULD SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
I'M THE ONE WORKING IN THE HOUSE AND I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO KEEP GOING.
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WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU WILLING TO GIVE ME.I WILL TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR YOU.
A, IT WOULD BE A LOT CHEAPER IF YOU MADE, UH, APPLICATIONS FOR THE WORK AND IT COULD BE DONE APPROPRIATELY THE FIRST TIME.
IT GETS REAL EXPENSIVE WHEN THE WORK HAS TO BE REDONE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE HOLDING TO ALL THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS DISTRICT AND ANY OTHER DISTRICTS.
AND I THINK STAFF COULD PROBABLY WORK WITH YOU IF YOU PUT IN A, A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF, UH, MONEY INTO THIS HOME.
THEY CAN WORK WITH YOU FOR HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION AND GET A FREEZE ON THE TAXES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR HOMES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
WELL, I JUST, NO, I JUST, SOMEBODY TOLD ME LIKE THREE WEEKS AGO, I ALWAYS GO TO SEE IF THEY LOWER THE TAXES OR ALL, ALL THIS STUFF WHEN, WHEN THEY SAID, OH, PROTEST TAXES.
AND THEY NEVER TELL ME THAT THEY, THEY NEVER BE, BUT SOMETHING IN HISTORIC HOMES, SIR, BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORIC HOME.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK TO IT, UM, THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, YOU MIGHT QUALIFY FOR A TAX BREAK.
AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH YOU AS WELL.
BUT THE WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED AS PERMITTED.
I, I WOULD JUST ASK COMMISSION TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THIS IS REALLY A, A LEARNING MOMENT THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
AND, AND THIS VERY OBVIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, OH, KIND OF MISSING, MISSING THE POINT OF THE HEIGHT OF AN EXISTING HEADER IF THE HEADER WAS LOWERED ALREADY BECAUSE IT COULD CREATE SOME CONFUSION.
I THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO, TO CONS, KNOWING THE FACTS OF THE SITUATION AND, AND LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT IS THERE NOW.
UM, AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE OTHER, OTHER WINDOWS AND OTHER, OTHER DOORS HERE THAT THAT CAN BE USED AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO INSTRUCT THE, THE OWNER, WHICH PROBABLY WILL HELP TO EDUCATE HIS NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
THAT IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE TO PENALIZE, UH, UH, THIS, UH, THIS, THIS HOMEOWNER IN, IN WHAT I THINK IS AN HONEST, UH, JUST A O OVERSIGHT.
I DON'T THINK HE WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF A SITUATION AND, UH, I WOULD, UM, UH, ASK COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER NOT PENALIZING THIS HOMEOWNER.
I DON'T THINK IT'S PENALIZING, I THINK IT'S JUST ASKING HIM TO COMPLY WITH THE SAME STANDARDS THAT HIS OWNERS, THAT HIS NEIGHBORS ARE HAVING TO, TO COMPLY WITH.
AND THAT EDUCATION PROCESS OCCURS DURING THAT APPLICATION.
I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE, UH, TRAINED AND TALENTED STAFF WITH O H P TO HELP GUIDE APPLICANTS IN DOING THE RIGHT THING AND INTERPRETING WHAT'S THERE AND, AND FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES TO THE, THE BEST OF THEIR ECONOMIC ABILITY.
UM, SO I, I'M, I'M NOT CONVINCED OR SWAYED BY THE IDEA THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE THE EDUCATION HAPPEN AFTER THE FACT.
I THINK, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF AN EGREGIOUS CASE AND, UM, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS ALTERED THE, THE APPEARANCE OF THIS, THIS PROPERTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
MAY I ALSO ASK, IS THE ADDITION THAT BEING REFERRED TO THE, UH, THE HANDICAP RAMP IN THE FRONT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE HANDICAPPED FRONT IS BEING THERE.
THE RAMP WAS ALREADY EXISTING IN SOME OF THE OLD PICTURES.
I'M, SO THE FRONT ADDITION, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT REFERRING TO YOU? OH, NO, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, UH, A BATHROOM THAT IS THERE IS ALL, UH, ROTTEN WOOD AND, UH, THE, THE ROOF, UH, WE WANT TO, UH, CHANGE THE ROOF IN THAT, UH, ACTUALLY IN THAT PORTION THERE.
THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO GET THE PERMIT FOR.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
AND THEN WHEN I, YOU KNOW, THEY TOLD ME, SO I, WE GOTTA SEE IF I FIND A SOLUTION FOR IT.
AND, AND HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IS SOMETHING NEW TO A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS.
UM, AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR SO LONG.
I MEAN, IT IS PRETTY, YOU KNOW, STANDARD.
UM, I WOULD ADVISE YOU, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON YOUR HOME, WORK WITH STAFF, BUT TO, TO GET THROUGH THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEN WHEN IT COMES TO US, WE CAN FIND MORE APPROPRIATE SOLUTIONS FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH BUDGET AND WITH, WITH LIKE APPROVALS.
BUT WHENEVER THINGS GET DONE WITHOUT THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND WE HAVE TO MAKE STUFF, FIX STUFF AND, AND WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT TO YOU.
AND, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR CONSISTENCY WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROPERTY VALUES THAT ARE GOING UP SO HIGH, THEY START GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION.
I I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I, UH, YOU KNOW, BY CHANGING OR MAKING THE HOUSE LOOK A LITTLE BETTER, IT WOULD CAUSE SO MUCH OF A PROBLEM.
I'M GONNA MOVE TO DENY AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL THAT, UM, AT A HIGHER LEVEL.
BUT, UM, AND THEN THE ADDITION, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DO
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ADDITION, IT JUST MEANS THAT I'M GONNA DENY WITH STAFF STIPULATION, IF YOU WANT TO DO AN ADDITIONAL OR SOMETHING, WORK WITH STAFF OR COME TO ONE OF OUR INFORMAL MEETINGS AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT AN APPROPRIATE DESIGN.BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU, I THINK RIGHT NOW YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
SECOND, WHAT I WANNA FIND A SOLUTION TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IF THEY SAY TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
SO WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON A TIMELINE OR SOLUTIONS THAT STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
I GOT JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IF, IF THERE WAS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT WAS THAT THE ONE THAT WE SAW THAT WAS THERE AND THEN THIS CHANGE OCCURS AND THEN YOU WANT TO CORRECT IT DOES THE DOES DO, DO WE EVER RUN THE RISK THAT THE OWNER JUST GOES AND PUTS THAT OLD ALUMINUM WINDOW BACK IN? STAFF ISN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THE WINDOW PRODUCT, PER SE, PER THE MATERIAL.
IT'S ABOUT THE WINDOW OPENING.
WELL, FOR THE OTHER ITEMS. SO, BUT JUST SAY YOU HAD A, AN OWNER THAT SAID, WELL, I'LL JUST PUT THE OTHER WINDOW BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
SO WE ARE GUIDED BY THE, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE GUIDED BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
WE CANNOT REQUIRE THAT A NON HISTORIC CONDITION, LIKE AN ALUMINUM WINDOW BE RESTORED TO A MORE HISTORIC CONDITION.
HOWEVER, AS ALTERATIONS ARE PROPOSED, WE REVIEW THEM AND WE ENSURE THAT THEY'RE NOT BECOMING LESS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES OR MORE, UM, REMOVING OR DETRACTING FROM HISTORIC MATERIALS OR HISTORIC CONDITIONS.
SO, SO IN THEORY, YES, YOU CAN REPLACE AN ALUMINUM WINDOW WITH A SIMILAR WINDOW.
I MEAN, SAY HE HIT THIS, THE WINDOW HE TOOK OUT AND LEFT IT ON SITE, YES, HE COULD RESTORE TO THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS AS IF THE WORK HAD NEVER HAPPENED AND THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH, WITH THE WAY OUR, OUR PROCESS WORKS.
UH, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, EXPLANATION AND VERY GOOD EXPLANATION.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, ON, ON ONE END I HEAR YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THAT YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP, BUT ON THE HOMEOWNER'S SIDE, I I'M NOT HEARING THAT THEY'RE HAPPY THAT THEIR TEXTS ARE GOING UP.
SO THERE'S A DISCONNECT IN THE WAY THAT WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT COMMISSION SHOULD ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, UH, BUT I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for February 19, 2020.]
OF MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 19TH, 2020 SECOND.