* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Call to Order ] [00:01:22] I DO WANNA STATE THAT, UH, JUNE WAS KNOWN AS, AS, AS YOU, SOME OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY READ THE NUMEROUS ARTICLES WRITTEN ABOUT HER. UH, SHE WAS DEFINITELY A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR HER COMMUNITY. UH, WHILE SHE SERVED, SHE ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS AND, UH, WE ALSO WANT TO THANK NOT ONLY HER, BUT HER FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHO KEPT BRINGING HER, UH, TO THE MEETINGS. UM, YOU COULD TELL THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR HER TO BE HERE, AND THEY HELPED BRING HER TO THE MEETINGS. UM, I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER JUNE ON HER LAST MEETING, SHE WAS STILL ASKING THE TOUGH QUESTIONS, EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD TELL HER HEALTH WAS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT HER CONCERNS FOR THE COMMUNITY WERE A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND SO I THINK ALL OF US CAN SAY IT WAS AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH HER. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, TODAY WE HAVE TWO AGENDAS. [Consent Agenda] WE HAVE THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA, AND WE HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA. THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA ARE ITEMS IN WHICH, UH, NOBODY HAS SIGNED TO SPEAK. THE COMMISSIONER HAS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE SECOND AGENDA IS THE INDIVIDUAL HEARING AGENDA, AND THOSE ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED, UH, INDIVIDUALLY PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE ALL ITEMS EXCEPT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. AND ITEMS NUMBER 13, UM, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. HAS EVERYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? THAT BEING SAID, UM, DID ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS THEY WANTED TO PULL OR QUESTIONS? IF NOT, THEN CAN STAFF READ THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA INTO THE RECORD? GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOYCE PALMER, AND I'M A PLANNER IN LAND ENTITLEMENTS FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM 13, WHICH HAS BEEN PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. AND ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN FROM CONSIDERATION, THE BALANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION UNDER A SINGLE MOTION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE COMBINED HEARING AGENDA. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALES AND A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. CAN STAFF TO THE ROLL CALL VOTE? COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER ROAR EGRIN? YES. COMMISSIONER CARILLO? YES. COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ? YES. CHAIRMAN CHRISTOPHER GARCIA? YES. MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM, THE AGENDA WILL BE ITEM [13. 20-2259 PLAN AMENDMENT CASE PA-2020-11600008 (Council District 3): A request by Brown & Ortiz, P.C., for approval of a Resolution to change the Heritage South Sector Plan, a component of the Comprehensive Master Plan of the City, by changing the future land use from “Specialized Center" to "Mixed Use Center" on 202.807 acres out of CB 4007, generally located in the 11900 -12600 block of IH-37 South. Staff recommends Approval. (Associated Zoning Case Z-2020-10700036) (Patricia Franco, Planner 210-207-5876, patricia.franco@sanantonio.gov; Development Services Department). ] NUMBER 13. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS PATRICIA FRANCO. ZONING GENERALLY LOCATED BETWEEN THE NINETEEN HUNDRED AND ONE TWENTY SIX HUNDRED BLOCK OF IH 37 SOUTH. ITEM 13 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE HERITAGE SOUTH SECTOR PLAN FROM SPECIALIZED CENTER TO MIXED USE CENTER. 21 NOTICES WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. ONE RETURNED IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND THERE IS NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA. THE REQUESTED PLAN AMENDMENT FROM SPECIALIZED CENTER TO MIXED USE CENTER WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO REZONE TO M X D MIXED DISTRICT, WHICH WILL PROVIDE MORE CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND USE PAT PATTERN IN THE AREA OF SUBURBAN TIER AND, AND RURAL RURAL ESTATE TIER. STAFF [00:05:01] RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. WILL THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE PLEASE, UM, PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS CAROLINE MCDONALD WITH BROWN ORTIZ ONE 12 EAST PECAN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. BITTER BLUE DEVELOPMENT. UM, THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS ABOUT 200 ACRES ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, DISTRICT THREE. IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE HERITAGE SOUTH SECTOR PLAN AND IS, UH, DESIGNATED AS SPECIALIZED CENTER. I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING A CHANGE IN USE TO MIXED USE CENTER. THIS WILL ALLOW, UH, MY CLIENT TO DEVELOP A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL. UM, THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED, I BELIEVE, BACK IN 2016, ALONG WITH MOST OF I 37. AND IT WAS DESIGNATE DESIGNATED AS SPECIALIZED CENTER IN THE PLAN DUE IN LARGE PART TO THE BOOM OF THE EAGLE FORD SHELL. THAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF US. UM, DEFAULT IN THIS AREA WAS I TOO, BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, DEFAULT IS ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL. SINCE THAT TIME, A NUMBER OF LARGE INDUSTRIAL USES HAVE COME TO THE CITY'S SOUTHEAST SIDE. UH, BUT THIS TRACT HAS STOOD VACANT. UM, OUR REQUEST AGAIN IS FOR A MIXED USE CENTER ALONG HIGHWAY 30 ON HIGHWAY 37, AND THAT WILL OPEN UP DIFFERENT HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE AREA, UM, THAT THAT MEETS NOT ONLY THE HERITAGE SOUTH PLAN BUT THE ESSAY TOMORROW PLAN. UM, WE HAVE MET WITH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN SIGNED IN TODAY. HE IS AN INDUSTRIAL, UH, UH, HE HAS AN INDUSTRIAL USE TO THE SOUTH OF US. WE MET WITH HIM YESTERDAY AND I BELIEVE HE'S SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. UM, THEREFORE I'D LIKE TO RESERVE, UH, TWO MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND REBUTTAL ISS PART OF THE NORMAL PROCESS. UM, WE HAVE ONE PERSON'S TIME TO SPEAK. JIM PENSKE RUKI. RUSKI. YEAH. OKAY, GO AHEAD. UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MY NAME IS, UH, JIM PRUSKI, AND I AM, UH, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF MANUFACTURING OPERATIONS AT BIRKIN COMPANY. AND WE ARE LOCATED AT 13 1 0 5 DUN UP ROAD, WHICH, UH, ON THE, UM, MAP THAT YOU SHOWED OVER THERE, WE WERE THE TRACKS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH, UH, THIS, UM, REZONING WILL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST OUR PROPERTY LINE. UM, OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE, UH, OUTGREW A FACILITY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, CLOSE TO SPLASH TOWN, AND MOVED TO THIS AREA BECAUSE IT WAS AN INDUSTRIAL CENTER. UH, SOME OF OUR SUPPLIERS OR A SUPPLIER IS LOCATED OUT IN THAT AREA. SO WE MOVED TO WHERE WE COULD BE IN AN INDUSTRIAL CENTER. UH, WE MANUFACTURE METAL, UH, OUR METAL EQUIPMENT PRODUCES NOISE. UM, IT'S NOT GREAT NOISE, BUT IT DOES PRODUCE NOISE. WE OPERATE ON TWO SHIFTS. UH, POSSIBLY COULD GO TO A THIRD SHIFT. AND, UM, AS, UH, AS MCDONALD MENTIONED, UH, I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO HELP ME TRY TO, UH, RESOLVE THIS CASE. AND I CALLED THEIR FIRM AND FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE THE ONES SUPPORTING THE PROJECT. SO , I DIDN'T PICK THE RIGHT ONE. BUT ANYWAY, THEY WERE VERY KIND AND THEY CAME AND THEY TOLD US WHAT THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF, AND I THANKED THEM FOR DOING THAT. AND I ALSO THANK Y'ALL FOR HEARING ME. BUT, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING HOUSES UP AGAINST THAT FENCE THERE, WHICH IS, WE'RE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THAT AREA. IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD A AIR COMPRESSOR, UH, UH, SAFETY VALVE GO OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, YOU, YOU WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. YOU, YOU HEAR ABOUT IF YOU HEAR TRUCKS UNLOADING DUMPSTERS, UH, NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN WITNESS TO THAT, IT CAN BE TRAUMATIC. UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO START HEARING COMPLAINTS FROM THESE RESIDENTS FROM THE NOISE THAT WE GENERATE. TRAFFIC TRUCKS COMING IN, TRUCKS LEAVING, LOADING TRUCKS AT NIGHT MOVING. AND THIS IS REALLY NOT WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. SO I HOPE YOU CONSIDER MY CONCERNS. UH, ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT I WILL MAKE IS THAT SOUTH TEXAS, YOU HAVE A, A GENERALLY A SOUTHWEST WIND, PREVAILING WIND NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. AND, UH, WE'VE GOT SANDBLASTING IN THAT AREA. WE'VE GOT A FIBERGLASS BOAT MANUFACTURER. [00:10:01] WE HAVE HEAVY BEAM SHEET METAL CONSTRUCTION, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A LARGE FUEL AND OIL FIELD DISTRIBUTION CENTER, WHICH IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FEET. SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT LOCATING HOUSES NEXT TO THAT TYPE OF A DISTRIBUTION. THEY'RE OUR NEIGHBOR. THEY'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. BUT, UH, I, UH, I WOULD QUESTION ALLOWING HOUSING THAT CLOSE TO A FUEL DISTRIBUTION CENTER. I THANK YOU. AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER 'EM. THANK YOU. UH, NEXT THE APPLICANT CAN GIVE THEIR REBUTTAL. YES, CAROLINE MCDONALD AGAIN, BRANDON ORTIZ. UM, JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO OUR, OUR SITE VISIT YESTERDAY, UH, WITH THE ADJACENT OWNER. UH, ALL THOUGH THEY ARE IN INDUSTRIAL USE, THERE'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET BETWEEN THEIR, THEIR BUILDING AND THE CLOSEST HOME. UM, WE DID NOTICE SOME NOISE WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE. UM, HOWEVER, IT, IT WAS CONTAINED TO THE BUILDING. AND ACTUALLY THERE IS A RAILROAD TRACK THAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF US, AND THAT WAS MUCH LOUDER THAN, THAN THE MACHINE THAT WAS OPERATING AT THAT TIME. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, A HUNDRED FEET FROM HIS USE WERE WHAT, UH, ALMOST 200 FEET FROM THE OTHER USE, UH, NEXT TO HIM, WHICH I THINK HE JUST MENTIONED. UH, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, DISTANCE, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, NOISE, REDUCING FENCE AND WINDOW OPTIONS TO HELP LESSEN, UM, ANY POTENTIAL NOISE THAT COULD COME, UM, TO, TO THE RESIDENTS. UH, OUR CLIENT, BITTER BLUE, HAS WORKED ON, UH, NUMEROUS DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS IN THE CITY, COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, RESIDENTIAL. SO THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF, UM, HOW TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, ISSUES THAT ARISE BETWEEN ADJACENT UH, USES. SO WITH THAT, UH, THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE SOUTHEAST SIDE. IT'S GOING TO BRING A MIXTURE OF HOME OPTIONS AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF OUR, UH, PLAN AMENDMENT TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEET OF THE, UH, CASE MEETING AND GO ON TO COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS. WE'LL START ON THE LEFT WITH ROGER MARTINEZ. YES. UM, I JUST WONDERED, WAS THERE ANY NEGOTIA OR DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE VARIOUS LANDOWNERS, UH, THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR PORTION BEFORE, UH, OR HAS, UH, THEY TAKE, HAS THE, UH, DEVELOPER CONSIDERED WHERE THEY'RE PLACING THEIR COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTIES? UH, YES. UH, COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ, UM, CAROLINE MCDONALD. AGAIN, WE ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH TWO OTHER ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS. UH, ACTUALLY IT'S ONE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THEY OWN TWO PROPERTY PROPERTIES. IT'S EAST CENTRAL I S D AND THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE AT THE NORTH SIDE, UH, NORTHEAST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY RIGHT THERE AND RIGHT OVER HERE FOR EVERYONE TO VIEW. THAT'LL BE THE C TWO. AND WE, UH, EAST CENTRAL DID REQUEST THAT WE PUT, UH, ALCOHOL RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY AND WE AGREED TO AND AMENDED THE ZONING CASE. UH, QUESTIONS TO THE SOUTH OF THE, OF, OF YOUR, UH, BUSINESS LOOKS LIKE. IS THAT, ARE THOSE RESIDENTS KINDA LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, UH, TO THE OTHER SIDE OF DONNA, BUT I SEE A RV RESORT? ARE THOSE HOUSING THE SOUTH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES WITH THOSE RESIDENTS TO THE JIM PRUSKI, AGAIN, TO THE SOUTH, THERE IS AN RV PARKED THERE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS IN THE PAST ABOUT THE SANDBLASTING BUSINESS AND THE NOISE. BUT, UH, THEY'VE MITIGATED THAT TO SOME EXTENT WITH, UH, SOME, UH, SECURITY FENCING THAT THEY'VE PUT UP. SO THAT'S, AND THEN THERE'S ONE ADDITIONAL RESIDENT THAT'S KIND OF LIVES OFF TO THE SIDE THERE. AND I'M NOT SURE WHO THAT IS OR WHAT THAT IS. IT'S A, IT'S A MOBILE HOME. AND, UH, I GUESS FOR THE APPLICANT, THE QUESTION, UH, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING IS, UH, IS YOUR, UH, APPLICANT PROPOSING? WHAT, UH, FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY STARTER HOMES, WHAT KIND OF PRICE RANGE HOMES ARE THEY PLANNING? UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE DEVELOPER HERE, UH, FROM BITTER BLUE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP. BUT, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT, IT WILL BE A MIXTURE OF R FOUR R FIVE, [00:15:01] UM, STARTING IN THE LOW TWO HUNDREDS AND, AND GOING UP FROM THERE. BUT OF COURSE WE'LL LET DAVID SPEAK TO THAT. HELLO, I'M DAVID RITTENHOUSE. I'M WITH BITTER BLUE INCORPORATED. UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, GENERAL PRICE RANGE OF THE HOUSES WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT, STARTING IN THE HIGH ONE HUNDREDS, UH, TOPPING OUT AT PROBABLY ABOUT MID TWO HUNDREDS, UH, BE A MULTI, UM, BUILDER PROGRAM ON MULTIPLE LOT SIZES. AND IN REGARDS TO MITIGATION FOR NOISE AND, AND DISRUPTION, ARE YOU PLANNING SOME, YOU MENTIONED SOME GREEN SPACE OR BUFFER, HAS THAT KIND OF BEEN WORKED INTO THE SITE PLAN? SURE. AND AND THAT'S ONE THING TO MENTION IS THAT THE LAND PLAN, UH, IS NOT SET YET. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL AT THE ZONING STAGE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN WORK ON THE LAND PLAN WITH THAT, UH, IN MIND IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE OPEN SPACE, THE, UH, WHERE THE HOUSES ARE, ANY SORT OF BUFFER ON THERE, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO MEET WITH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN, UH, TO DISCUSS THAT. ALSO, THE FACT THAT IT WITH M X D WITH CAN MOVE SOME OF THOSE USES AROUND, WHICH IS ALSO ANOTHER POSSIBILITY TO HELP MITIGATE WITH THE, UM, WITH THE USES. I GUESS. WHAT IS, UH, HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ARE YOU PROPOSING? UH, NOT SET YET. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT 800, 900 UNITS WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE IN MULTIPLE PHASES. UH, THANKS. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. CAN, CAN STAFF GIMME A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT ON, ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION? BECAUSE JUST, JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP, I MEAN, I SEE NOTHING BUT COMPANIES AND A LOT OF THEM LOOK LIKE LIGHT MANUFACTURING BUSINESSES. UM, THIS PARCEL OF LAND IS RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY, WHICH IMMEDIATELY DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A, A PERFECT SPOT FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. UM, DESPITE THE, THE NOISY BUSINESSES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. I MEAN, JUST HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ALONE. I, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT I WOULD WANNA LIVE IN THIS AREA. UM, SO WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE TWO FACTORS IN MIND, UH, WHY DO WE STILL FEEL LIKE AT THE RECOMMENDATION? UM, WE STILL RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A, UM, APPROVAL BECAUSE IT IS, UM, LIKE AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF SUBURBAN TIER AND SOME RURAL ESTATE TIER TO THE EAST. UM, IN ADDITION, IT LINES UP WITH THE GOALS OF THE, UM, RIDGE SOUTH SECTOR PLAN. AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU'RE TAKING AN I TWO YOUTH AND YOU'RE DOWN ZONING, THAT'S USUALLY BETTER FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. OKAY. 'CAUSE I'M GONNA VENTURE, SO THE HECTOR, THE HERITAGE PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 2010, SO ABOUT A DECADE AGO, AND I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT MOST OF THESE BUSINESSES WERE NOT, THAT WAS ADOPTED. UM, I HEARD THE APP MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS, SORRY, I'M COMING IN AND OUT WITH MY MIC. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? ? UM, I HEARD THAT YOU MENTIONED THE ESSAY TOMORROW PLAN, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS IN A ESSAY TOMORROW PLAN. IS IT? CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER? IT IS. IT IS IN A, A SAN ANTONIO TOMORROW PLAN, BUT IT'S LATER IN THE SEQUENCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, SO IT'S, SO IT'S STILL CONSISTENT WITH A DECADE OLD PLAN AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUTURE SA TOMORROW PLAN WOULD RECOMMEND AS OF TODAY AT THIS TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I THINK I HAVE MORE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, BUT KIND OF ALONG THE SAME LINES. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S SUBURBAN TIER, BUT IN LOOKING AT IT, UM, THERE ARE NOT REALLY ANY HOMES EXCEPT ACROSS THE HIGHWAY ON SOUTHTON ROAD, UM, WHICH THE HIGHWAY KIND OF CREATES A BARRIER. EVERYTHING IN THE NEAR VICINITY OF THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, AN OIL COMPANY, ANOTHER OIL COMPANY, AND THEN THIS, THIS MANUFACTURING, THIS TH STEEL. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RV PARKS, BUT THE, THOSE TEND NOT TO BE, WELL, THEY, THEY'RE A MIX OF HOW THEY'RE USED. UM, IT, IT HONESTLY WOULD SEEM LIKE A VERY BAD PLACE FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, AND I'M A BIG FAN OF PUTTING RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. IT DID, BUT THIS SEEMS RIGHT TO TRY TO NESTLE HOMES IN THE MIDDLE OF INDUSTRY THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. UM, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE TRAIN IS LOUDER. AND I, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS ISSUE WITH A LOT OF NEW HOUSING GOING UP NEXT TO TRAINS, AND THE FIRST THING THE NEW OWNERS DO IS WANNA TRY TO REROUTE THE TRAINS. UM, AND THAT'S BECOME A, A BIG ISSUE FOR THE CITY. SO I'M, I'M REALLY QUESTIONING THE LOGIC OF PUTTING HOUSING IN THIS PROXIMITY. UM, DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY, UM, SUBURBAN HERE. UM, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE, UH, OTHER SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY WHERE THERE'S NOT, UM, ALREADY MANUFACTURING, BUT ON THIS SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY, I, I JUST, I, I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THE HOMES DIDN'T COME BACK A YEAR LATER AND START COMPLAINING AND BASICALLY [00:20:01] FORCE THOSE COMPANIES OUT. UM, AND IF THAT'S THE LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE CITY TO MOVE MANUFACTURING FURTHER OUT, UM, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT AS THEY'RE ALREADY THERE, UM, IT WOULD SEEM, UM, NOT A GOOD SPOT TO CREATE, UH, TENSION. I I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO TURN ANY OF THAT INTO A QUESTION. YOU FEEL FREE TO COMMENT ON THAT IF YOU'D LIKE. UM, BUT I, I HAVE NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS PROJECT IS WORTH SUPPORTING BASED ON THAT. SO YEAH, I'LL SHARE, I'LL CHIME IN. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, BASED ON THE LAND USE IN THIS AREA, BACK FROM WHEN THEY DESIGNED THIS IN 2010, UM, THEY DID SEE, THEY DO SEE SUBURBAN TIER AND RURAL ESTATE TIER, WHICH MEANS HOUSING MEANS HOUSING, UH, WHETHER IT BE SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTIFAMILY. AND WE DO HAVE AREAS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE, UH, ESPECIALLY THERE ARE, IT'S ALWAYS BUFFERS OF SOME COMMERCIAL USES. AND THEN MANUFACTURE, UH, MA MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING. SO THE, THE CLUSTERS CAN BE BUILT AWAY FROM THOSE, NO, YOU KNOW, THOSE OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT MAY CREATE NOISE. BUT AS FOR THE PLANNING FOR THIS AREA, THE GOAL WAS TO BRING MORE RESIDENTIAL IN. THAT'S WHAT THE RURAL ESTATE TIER AND THE SUBURBAN TIER TELL US. AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES WERE THERE WHEN THIS PLAN WENT INTO PLACE AND THEIR EXISTING NON-CONFORMING. DO WE KNOW IF THESE BUSINESSES ARE NON-CONFORMING TO THEIR EXISTING ZONING? WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK EACH ONE TO, TO BE SURE. OKAY. SO I, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS HAS BEEN THERE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING. THEY COULD BE CONFORMING TO THE ORIGINAL ZONING THAT WHEN THEY WERE PLACED THERE, THEY COULD BE. YES. THE, THE, UM, THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESS COULD RESPOND TO THAT, IF HE'S AWARE OF YOU CAN COME UP TO THE, HOW, HOW LONG HAS YOUR BUSINESS THERE AND DOES IT CONFORM TO THE ZONING FOR THAT AREA AND THE, THE PLAN FOR THAT AREA. WE, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FEBRUARY TWO YEARS AGO. IT TOOK US APPROXIMATELY, UM, SIX MONTHS TO GET ALL OF THE BUILDING PERMITS APPROVED. UH, WE GOT OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND WE ARE TOTALLY REGISTERED WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. WE HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND SO ARE THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THE GENERAL AREA THERE. SO ONE MORE QUESTION. YOU SAID YOU, YOU WERE OVER BY SPLASH TOWN BEFORE, AND I KNOW THAT AREA PRETTY WELL IS PRETTY INDUSTRIAL. UM, WERE THERE, WAS THERE HOUSING YEAR WERE YOU WERE BEFORE OR WAS IT JUST A MATTER OF OUTGROWING THE SPACE? I KNOW THAT AREA'S CHANGING DRAMATICALLY AS WELL. THE ONLY HOUSING WOULD BE TO THE EAST OF SALADO CREEK. UH, BUT THAT WAS A GREAT INDUSTRIAL PARK. WE JUST OUTGREW THE SPACE. UM, OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I KNOW I'VE, FROM EXPERIENCE, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THIS IN SOUTHTOWN AS WELL, WHERE, UM, WE'VE PUT IN HOUSING NEXT TO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND THE INDUSTRIAL, UM, BUSINESSES HAVE TO MOVE OUT. SO I DON'T REALLY WANNA PUT ANY, UH, CURRENT BUSINESSES IN THE SITUATION TO BE FORCED TO MOVE, UM, BECAUSE NEW HOMEOWNERS, UM, ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE SOUND. UH, SO I MEAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND HOUSING GO INTO AN AREA WHERE THERE'S NOT ALREADY EXISTING MANUFACTURING, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF AREA AROUND THERE. THAT IS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I TOO HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS. NO QUESTIONS. UM, I WANNA JUST THANK THE, UM, THANK BOTH PARTIES. ACTUALLY I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED ON THIS JUST BECAUSE, UM, IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT WE GET SOMEBODY FROM INDUSTRY COMING IN AND ALMOST FOREWARNING OF WHAT POSSIBLE RESIDENTS MIGHT EXPERIENCE AND LATER COMPLAIN TO US. WE OFTEN GET AS, UM, DR. LAGREE, HE SAID, WE GET, UH, RESIDENTS COMING IN AFTERWARDS COMPLAINING ABOUT NOISE. SO I THANK, UM, MR. PREKI FOR COMING FORWARD. UM, I ALSO, UH, APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO WANT TO PUT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENCES IN AND A GROWING AREA. UM, I DO HOWEVER AGREE THAT IT IS PROBABLY NOT IDEAL TO BE IN SUCH AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. UM, IT LOOKS ALSO LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, LIKE MAYBE THIS IS SUITED FOR THE, UH, THE SOLAR FARM THAT'S ACROSS THE HIGHWAY. SO MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER USE FOR THIS, UH, PARTICULAR TRACT OF LAND. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET THOSE COMMENTS OUT AND THANK BOTH THE APPLICANT AND MR. PERSKY FOR COMING FORWARD. YES, THANK YOU FOR Y'ALL COMING AND ENLIGHTENING US ON THE, UH, INFORMATION AND ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS AREA IS NOT FARMED ANYMORE. IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AGRICULTURAL ANYMORE FOR STAFF, CORRECT? IT'S A, RIGHT NOW IT'S, UM, THE LAND USE CLASSIFICATION IS SPECIALIZED CENTER AND IT'S A VACANT PROPERTY. OKAY. BECAUSE, UH, EXCUSE ME, BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT HOUSING GETTING NEXT TO, UH, EXPRESSWAYS WHO, [00:25:01] UH, GET TO DEAL WITH THE EXHAUST OF SO MUCH TRAFFIC AS IT GOES ON. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THAT THROUGH THE CENTER OF CITIES AND YET THEY BUILT APARTMENTS, UH, ON THERE. SO I WILL BE CONSIDERING MY DECISION BASED ON THAT. CAN I FOLLOW, CAN I FOLLOW UP? OH, I'LL, I'LL CALL YOU UP INTO A SECOND. SO STAFF SAID, YOU SAID IT'S NOT, UM, SPECIALIZED CENTER, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CORNFIELD AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT MR. PRUSKI IS GONNA, UM, SPEAK TO. YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAND USE, UH, THE, IT DIDN'T HAVE A LAND USE BEFORE WE PUT THE LAND USE ON IT, WHICH WAS SPECIALIZED CENTER. SO IT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CORNFIELD, BUT NOW IT'S JUST A VACANT PROPERTY. BUT THE, THE CITY LAND USE IS SPECIALIZED CENTER. AND SPECIALIZED CENTER ALLOWS ALL OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT YOU GUYS ARE DESCRIBING. IF, AGAIN, JIM PRUSKI, IF YOU VISIT THE SITE, THE CORN IS ABOUT THIS HIGH. AND THE FARMER WAS OUT THERE PUTTING HERBICIDE ON IT, UH, AS I WAS COMING WITH HIS SPRAYER. AND THE GENTLEMAN ACROSS, UH, DUNNA IS A HAY FARMER AND HE CUTS HAY OFF OF THAT FIELD ALL THE TIME. NOT TO MENTION WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH HIS BULL ONCE IN A WHILE. UH, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY THIS ENTIRE PARCEL WOULD BE FOR THE 800 UNITS OR DO YOU ALSO PLAN SOME SORT OF BUFFER IN SOME AREA, IF YOU ALL KNOW THAT PART ALREADY LATER, BUT KEN BROWN, BROWN AND ORTIZ, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? 'CAUSE I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY. SO I, I WANTED TO COME OUT. COME UP. SURE. SO THE ENTIRE PARCEL, WILL IT BE, WILL THE 800 UNITS TAKE UP THE ENTIRE PARCEL OR DO YOU ALL PLAN SOME SORT OF BUFFER IN CERTAIN AREAS? WELL, THERE'LL BE BUFFERS, UH, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A MULTI-FAMILY TRACK AND SOME COMMERCIAL TRACKS. UM, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALL SINGLE FAMILY. OH, GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING PRINCIPLE, UM, THE, AT LEAST THE ONE, THE, THE USES AROUND US THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL ARE SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 ACRE TRACKS. OKAY. SO WE'RE LETTING A 10 ACRE TRACK WAG THE DOG OF FUTURE PLANNING. IF, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADHERE TO THE PLAN AND, AND TRY TO ADDRESS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT IN THESE AREAS, THERE IS GOING TO BE TENSION. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IN, IN THESE AREAS. UM, AND YES, UH, SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING, GOING TO MOVE, BUT THERE ARE, UH, EMPLOYMENT CENTERS OUT THERE THAT NEED THE WORKERS THAT CAN WORK AND, AND LIVE CLOSE, CLOSE TO, TO THESE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS. AND, UM, TRYING TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, INDUSTRIAL USE OR THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES IS NOT A PLANNING PRINCIPLE. I MEAN, I GET, I GET IT FROM A COMPASSION STANDPOINT AND WE FEEL BAD TOO. AND WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH HIM WITH, WITH BUFFERS AND ANY, ANY WAY TO DEAL WITH COMPATIBILITY ISSUES. BUT THAT'S NOT A PLANNING PRINCIPLE. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO MAINTAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, WE, WE WOULD NEVER GET ANYWHERE IF THAT'S, IF THAT WAS A PLANNING PRINCIPLE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF IS TRYING TO SAY. OUR TRACK IS 200 ACRES. THERE'S A THOUSAND ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL OUT THERE. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL. THE, THE EAGLE FORD SHELL IS GONE AS FAR AS DEVELOPING INDUSTRIAL IN THESE AREAS. AND SURE HE GOT A GREAT DEAL ON THE PROPERTY AND IT WASN'T, IT WAS ZONED INDUSTRIAL. AND I GET IT. AND I THINK WE CAN PEACEFULLY COEXIST, BUT TO JUST STOP THE PLANNING PROCESS. UM, I I I I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, A SOLID PLANNING PRINCIPLE. I THINK THAT'S WHY YOUR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. IF I, IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT. I THINK, UH, AN IMPORTANT PLANNING PRINCIPLE IS TO BE CONSIDERATE OF WHAT EXISTS AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S THERE. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF RURAL AREA, UH, AROUND THERE ACROSS THE HIGHWAY AND OTHER AREAS THAT SEEMS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH PUTTING IN NEW HOUSING THAN IN THE CENTER OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT ALREADY EXISTS, WHICH IS EVENTUALLY GONNA FORCE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT. AND, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO START SOMEWHERE AND IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO THIS PLACE TOO. I MEAN, IT, THERE IS NO 200 ACRE INDUSTRIAL USER FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA. AND SO, YES, I GUESS WE COULD START ACROSS THE STREET, BUT THE SAME, THE RESULT'S GONNA BE THE SAME. THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE A MIXTURE OF MEDIUM [00:30:01] TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OUT THERE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO IS, IS THE LAYOUT FINALIZED, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOUR MULTI-FAMILY IS GONNA GO, WHERE YOUR SINGLE FA WHERE FAMILY'S GONNA GO, WHERE YOUR COMMERCIAL'S GONNA GO? OR IS THAT STILL UM, IT IS NOT FINALIZED. OKAY. SO, AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR THE MIXED USE DISTRICT. I MEAN, WE, WE COULD HAVE DONE FIELD NOTES FOR WHAT WE THOUGHT THE SINGLE FAM, WHERE WE THOUGHT THE SINGLE FAMILY WOULD GO, WHERE WE THOUGHT THE MULTI-FAMILY WOULD GO AND WHERE WE THOUGHT THE COMMERCIAL WOULD GO. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE WITHOUT, UH, DOING A DRAINAGE STUDY WITH, WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH ALL THE CITY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS. AND SO NOW REMEMBER, IT'S, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS, UH, IS SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IT, IT HAS NOT BEEN LAID OUT. IT HAS NOT BEEN ENGINEERED. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR MIXED USE. IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY, UM, TO MOVE IT AROUND. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE IF MAYBE THE COMMERCIAL COULD BE RIGHT CLOSER TO SOME OF THAT INDUSTRIAL USAGE AFTER LISTENING TO THIS. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, I THINK THEY CAN DO IT AT ZONING. I, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THAT. OKAY. HAS THIS, HAS THIS ALREADY GONE BEFORE ZONING? NO, NO. IT, IT, IT HAS NOT. OKAY. AND JUST TO CHIME IN ON THE M X D DISTRICT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THE M X D DISTRICT UNDERWENT SEVERAL UPDATES WHEN WE UPDATED THE I D Z INFILL DEVELOPMENT ZONE. AND INCLUDED IN THOSE AMENDMENTS WAS LANGUAGE TO ALLOW THE M X D DISTRICT TO BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE THAN SOME OF YOUR TRADITIONAL, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL OFFICE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS, SPECIFICALLY TAILORED TO LARGER SITES TO ALLOW FOR THAT INTERNAL FLEXIBILITY. UH, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON, ESPECIALLY ON A TWO ACRE OR 200 ACRE SITE, PARDON ME, TO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAN IS GONNA LOOK LIKE AT THE PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONING STAGE. SO ONE OF THE INTENTIONS OF THAT DISTRICT WAS TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE INTERNAL LAYOUT OF LAND USES. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION WAS AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN I TAKE IT THE, THE INDUSTRIAL USES, DOES THAT MATCH SUBURBAN TIER? I KNOW THAT SOMETHING SUBURBAN, SUBURBAN TIER WOULD NOT SUPPORT INDUSTRIAL USES. NO. OKAY. SO I GUESS WHEN THE PLAN WAS LAID OUT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE BUSINESSES ARE PROBABLY ALREADY THERE. WHICH, UM, LAND USAGE CATEGORIES DOES ALLOW FOR THE INDUSTRIAL USE. SPECIALIZED CENTER. SPECIALIZED CENTER, WHICH IS WHAT'S SHOWN IN PURPLE ON THAT MAP. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THERE BEING NONE. WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UM, WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND ALSO IN FAVOR OF ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FROM COMMISSIONER PROFIT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. FROM COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA. CAN STAFF DO THE ROLL CALL? COMMISSIONER PROFIT? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER RO EGRIN? NO. COMMISSIONER CARRILLO? NO. COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ? NO. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? NO. CHAIRMAN. CHRISTOPHER GARCIA? NO. MOTION FAILS WITH A VOTE OF FIVE TO TWO. TWO TO FIVE. SO AT THIS POINT, UM, IF YOU HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, DO A MOTION TO RECONSIDER OR WE COULD DO, UH, AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT CORRECT? OR IT IT WILL COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS OR IT JUST COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS? MM-HMM. . OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL MOTIONS ON THIS ITEM? MOTION TO RECONSIDER. WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. AND WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, STAFF. YOU CAN DO THE ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER ROYAL EGRIN? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER CARILLO? YES. COMMISSIONER JACK PROPHET? YES. COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. CHAIRMAN CHRISTOPHER GARCIA? YES. SO NOW WE CAN BRING THE MOTION, BRING UP THE ITEM AGAIN AND WE'LL HAVE A NEW MOTION, I BELIEVE. CORRECT. [00:35:03] SO A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICANT REJECT THE APPROVAL REQUEST. I NEVER KNOW HOW TO WORD THIS. I'M SORRY. . JUST SIMPLY, UH, A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FROM COMMISSIONER ROYAL ALI GREENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? AND WE HAVE A SEC. SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ. STAFF CAN DO THE ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER RO EGRIN? YES. COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER MICHAEL GARCIA? YES. COMMISSIONER CARILLO? YES. COMMISSIONER PROPHET? NO. COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ? YES. UH, CHAIRMAN CHRISTOPHER GARCIA. I DO A YES. MOTION PASSES WITH A VOTE OF FIVE TO TWO. SORRY, THAT'S A CORRECTION. THAT IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL THAT PASSED. UH, FOR A VOTE OF SIX TO ONE. OKAY. [Approval of Minutes] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WOULD BE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MEETING MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE. HAVE MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ AND A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER PROFIT. ALL THOSE SAY FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MEETING MINUTES ARE DONE. DO WE HAVE A [Director's Report: A. Upcoming Worksessions] DIRECTOR'S REPORT OR A STAFF REPORT OR ANY OF THAT OTHER GOOD STUFF? SO JUST, UH, BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SOME COMMUNICATIONS COMING HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE ON UPCOMING WORK SESSIONS. I DON'T HAVE FINALIZED DATES FOR YOU NOW, BUT UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE BRINGING TO YOUR ATTENTION. UM, POTENTIALLY, UH, AN UPDATE FROM OUR POLICY ADMINISTRATION SECTION ON U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS. UH, SO JUST KIND OF BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THOSE. BUT WE WILL COMMUNICATE THOSE AS WE HAVE SOLID DATES IN MIND. RIGHT. AND THEY'LL HAVE, UM, MUCH EARLIER START TIMES POTENTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE PASSED ON. UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW IF WE CAN GET ANY PRESENTATIONS OR PDFS OR ANYTHING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, THAT WAY IT'S NOT LIKE HERE'S A BIG HUGE 300 PAGE P D F AND YOUR MEETINGS TOMORROW. IT'D BE REALLY NICE IF WE CAN DO THAT. ABSOLUTELY. SURE. OKAY. UH, QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE PRESENTATION WE HAD TODAY FROM THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTE. IS THERE ANY COST TO COMMISSIONERS TO ATTEND? WE DECIDED TO, I I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EVENT OR NOT. I DON'T BELIEVE SHE MENTIONED. UM, THERE'S NOT. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE KNOW, I KNOW IT'S OPEN FOR, UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE KNOW IF IT'S ALSO OPEN TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR IS IT JUST FOR COMMISSIONERS? SO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I BELIEVE, DO HAVE A MEMBERS OR NON-MEMBERS FEE IF THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH U L I. UM, BUT AS FAR AS IF YOU WILL, UM, THEY'RE INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN AND HELP SERVE AS THAT EXPERT ROLE. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING 'CAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN ATTENDANCE. OKAY. , ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, IT IS 2 53 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.