* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR FRIDAY, MAY 1ST, 2020. I HAVE A ROLL CALL, [Roll Call] PLEASE. EZ HERE? HERE? YES. HERE. THE LAST CASE HERE. OLA. ARE CER HERE. OKAY. HERE. LA WHO HERE? OKAY. UM, THANK YOU ALL. LET'S BEGIN OUR MEETING WITH A MESSAGE FROM OUR TRANSLATORS WHO ARE ALSO ON THE LINE. I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THAT REPEATED. UM, CAN YOU ACTUALLY COME USE MY MICROPHONE SINCE WE KNOW IT'S WORKING? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU ON THE CALL. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, CHAIRMAN FETZER, DO YOU WANNA CONTINUE WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT? YES. THE HISTORIC [Chairman’s Statement] AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OP OR OPPOSITION HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR ALL OF THEIR COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRE PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WELL, WE WANNA [Announcements] START OFF BY THANKING EVERYONE, UM, STAFF AND OUR COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE BEEN FLEXIBLE, UM, AND ENGAGED TO MAKING TODAY'S MEETING POSSIBLE. UM, A LOT OF PREP HAS GONE INTO MAKING SURE EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTHLY, AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMITMENT TO THIS. UH, WE ALSO WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE APPLICANTS, UH, MANY OF OUR REQUESTS ON TODAY'S AGENDA WE RECEIVED BACK IN FEBRUARY. UM, SO EVERYONE HAS BEEN VERY PATIENT AND UNDERSTANDING AS WE PLAN TO NAVIGATE THIS PROCESS AND WHAT THE CHANGE IN PLANS. UM, YOU ADVANCE THE SLIDE, LAUREN? WELL, I'M COREY EDWARDS, DEPUTY STORE PRESENTATION OFFICER. UM, I'M HERE IN THE BOARDROOM, UM, WITH ME AS LAUREN SAGE. WE ARE MORE THAN SIX FEET APART AND WE'RE KIND OF RUNNING THE SHOW HERE FROM THE BOARDROOM. UM, ON THE CALL TODAY ARE COMMISSIONERS AS OUTED BY THE ROLL CALL O H B STAFF, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, AND OUR CITY STAFF HELPING US OUT WITH THE LIVESTREAM, THE TRANSLATOR, WHO IS ALSO PROVIDING THE TRANSLATION FOR OUR LIVESTREAM. UM, I WANT TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE MEETING FORMAT. SINCE THIS A NEW FOR EVERYONE, UH, WE'VE [00:05:01] MADE A FEW SLIGHT CHANGES TO THE MEETING PROCEDURES TO ENSURE THAT TODAY'S HEARING RUNS SMOOTHLY AND EFFECTIVELY. UM, PRETTY SOON WE'LL START BY, UM, DISPLAYING A LIST OF THE CASES. IF YOU HEARD TODAY, UM, JUST AS USUAL, WE HAVE CASES THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THOSE ARE CASES WHERE THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO MEET ALL STIPULATIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. UM, WHEN WE GET TO THAT LIST, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH ITEMS HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS OR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE WILL FIRST REVIEW ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT ONCE PROVIDED FOR THOSE ITEMS BEFORE TAKING THE ACTION. UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, THROUGH EMAIL AND DROP OFF LETTER FORMAT. UM, WE HAD OPTIONS FOR, UH, LEAVING VOICEMAILS OR FOR CALLING IN LIVE TO THE MEETING. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE TODAY. IT'LL ONLY BE WRITTEN, UH, COMMENTS, SO I'LL BE RIGHT. I'LL BE THE ONE MEETING HEARING. UM, NEXT SLIDE. UM, COMMISSIONERS JUST A FEW KIND OF RULES. I MAY ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOURSELF MUTED DURING THE MEETING UNLESS YOU'RE THE ONE SPEAKING. UM, FOR EACH CASE, WE WILL START, AS WE ALWAYS DO, BY READING THE REQUEST LANGUAGE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UM, THEN WE WILL CALL THE APPLICANT FOR EACH OF THOSE CASES, UM, TO LISTEN AND PROVIDE COMMENTS OR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE QUESTIONS. WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THAT CASE PRIOR TO DISCUSSION STARTING, UM, BEGINNING WITH THE WRITTEN COMMENTS. UM, LIKE MOST VIDEO CONFERENCE PLA PLATFORMS, WE'RE USING WEBEX TODAY. UM, THERE IS A CHAT TOOL, BUT WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM USING THAT AND, UH, LEAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE SPOKEN. RIGHT. UM, IF A COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WE ASK THAT, THAT YOU SIMPLY UNMUTE YOURSELF. UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN BRIEFLY PAUSE BEFORE PROCEEDING. UM, THIS WILL MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO IS SPEAKING AND THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING OVER ONE ONE ANOTHER AS WELL. UM, AFTER THE DISCUSSION IS CLOSED, WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY MOTIONS. UM, WE ASK THAT ANY COMMISSIONER WHO IS MAKING A MOTION FIRST DO SO BY STATING YOUR NAME, PAUSING, AND PROCEEDING WITH THE MOTION. ALL VOTING TODAY WILL BE DONE BY ROLL CALL, EXCUSE ME. UM, WHEN WE CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, UM, INDICATE YOUR VOTE AND THEN RE UNMUTE YOURSELF. AND WE'LL DO THIS VERY SLOWLY SO THAT IT'S CLEAR ON WHAT EVERYONE'S VOTE IS. UM, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE READY TO BE THE CASE LIST. SO GIVE US A MINUTE. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO ZOOM IN AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. SO THERE'S A FEW CHANGES, UM, ON STATE'S AGENDA THAT WE WANNA INDICATE. FIRST. UM, ITEM NUMBER 9 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN THAT THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED TODAY. UM, RECEIVE WRITTEN COMMENTS, UH, FROM FOR THAT CASE, BUT WE WILL NOT READ THOSE AS THE CASE IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED. UM, I'M [Public Comments] GOING TO FIRST START THAT WERE SENT AND THEN I'LL PROCEED WITH THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED FOR CONSENT AGENDA. UM, SO FOR THE FIRST COMMENTS, THESE WERE SUBMITTED BY THE NUITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS, UM, SUBMITTED BY EVELYN BROWN. UM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR IMPLEMENTING THIS DIGITAL AND REMOTE HEARING FOR SO MANY CASES. WHAT A CRAZY TIME WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THAT MANY CONTINUE TO DO GOOD AND SOME STILL WORK WITHOUT REVIEWS OF PERMITS WORK DONE WITHOUT COAS THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND SPEED OF LOWER QUALITY OR MATERIALS, NO DESIGN AND FORGO SAFETY IN LIEU OF QUICK TURNAROUNDS. THIS JEOPARDIZES OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTY VALUES AND SOME CASES A RIGHT TO QUIET ENJOYMENT OF OUR OWN POVERTY. AS WE CONSIDER THE U D C AMENDMENTS THAT APPLY TO H C C, WE MUST ALSO ADDRESS ENFORCEMENT IN EFFECTIVE WAY UNTIL WE DO SO. THE WORK OF THIS COMMISSION IS NOT. UM, THIS SESSION'S CASES THAT WE OFFER OUR SUPPORT TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE 6 0 7 DAWSON, 10 22 NOLAN, FOUR 15 WILLAM, AND 10 17 NORTH PALMETTO. THANK YOU. UM, I DO WANT TO QUICKLY NOTE REGARDING THE ENFORCEMENT. YES, UM, IT HAS BEEN A TRYING TIME. UM, IT DOES SEEM LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORK EVEN WHILE UM, THE CITY IS ADDRESSING, UH, LARGER ISSUES. UM, SINCE MID-MARCH WE HAVE CONDUCTED ABOUT 70 FIELD INVESTIGATIONS. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR BEST TO KEEP UP, UM, THE MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE. WE DO RELY ON, UH, REPORTS, POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW UP APPROPRIATELY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. SO I'M GOING TO GO IN ORDER, UM, SEE THAT WE HAVE COMMENTS, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. NEXT, WHICH IS FIVE 11 DAWSON. THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY THE, UM, ANNUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD, THE, THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY ANDRES BARZA, UM, FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE STORY DWELLING UNIT ON THE REAR LOT. THE UPON REVIEW, THE H ARC SUPPORTS THE PROJECT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. WE ALSO HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM THE DI DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORS, UM, SUBMITTED BY EVELYN BROWN. WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT IN STAFF'S FINDINGS. WE DO NOT SUPPORT O H P STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO IMPROVE VINYL [00:10:01] WINDOWS SINCE THE USE OF THESE MATERIALS IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE CITY'S RESILIENCE AND SUSTAINABILITY EFFORTS OR O H P SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAMS, NOT JUST THE WINDOW WORKSHOPS. THE WE HAVE CLUB CONSTRUCTION AND SALVAGE PROGRAM AND WE HAVE AAMA. WE STRONGLY SUGGEST THE APPLICANT RESOLVE THE REAR CHIEF PRE ZONINGS UT C TABLE THREE TEN ONE TO PROVIDE A 20 FOOT REAR SETBACK. THE REQUIRED MINIMUM SETBACK FROM BOOKER ALLEY FOR THEWELL UNIT SHOULD BE USED AS A PARKING FOR THE NEW UNIT. UM, UP NEXT IS ITEM 3 1 0 1 ARMOR PLACE. THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY MIMI NIA. ADDRESS IS ONE 50 DRIVE. WE SUPPORT THE PROPOSED WORK TO BEGIN THE REHABILITATION OF 1 0 1 ARMOR PLACE AND HISTORIC RIVER ROAD. WE FEEL THAT WE FEEL WHAT THE OWNERS ARE PROPOSING WILL STABILIZE THE HOUSE WHILE PRESERVE THIS ICONIC PROPERTY IN THE CENTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 7 6 0 7 DAWSON. THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY THE, UH, DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UM, HER HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSALS ADMITTED BY NEIL SHEILA, UM, FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE. UPON REVIEW, THE H PARK SUPPORTS THE PROJECT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10, 7 0 7 DAWSON. UM, THE ASSOCIATION ALSO SUBMITTED COMMENTS FOR THIS. UM, THEIR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY EDWARD HERNANDEZ PRODUCTION OF A TWO STORY MIXED STRUCTURE. UPON REVIEW, THE H PARK IS UNABLE TO COMMENT ON THIS CURRENT ITERATION OF THE PROJECT DUE TO FILES NOT BEING PRESENT IN THE PRELIMINARY OR FINAL AGENDA. HAD PREVIOUSLY STATED THAT THE COMMITTEE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED. THE COMMITTEE COULD NOT SUPPORT THE PROJECT DUE TO A LACK OF COMPREHENSIVE OFFSITE PARKING PLAN AS STIPULATED ON FINDING AS OF THE FINDING SECTION. THE COMMITTEE ALSO RECOMMENDS HAVING THE OFFICE SPACE COMPONENT ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR STREET LEVEL ACTIVATION PURPOSES. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. OKAY, NEXT IS ITEM 16, I'M SORRY, ITEM 14, UM, TWO 18 WEST SATCH. THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY PAUL PENNON. ADDRESS IS FOUR 18 WEST FRENCH PLACE. UM, THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT, ONE, THE APPLICATION BE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ONLY. TWO. ALL OF HP STAFF STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED IN ANY H C R C. MOTION. THREE, APPLICATION FOR FINAL C O A BE SUBMITTED TO H C R C FOR ACTION. FOUR THAT THE MONTE VISTA A R C RECOMMENDATIONS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE FINAL REVIEW PROCESS. FIVE. THAT 80% DRAWINGS BE SUBMITTED FOR H C R C REVIEW AS REQUIRED ON THE APPLICATION FORM FOR A FINAL C O A TO INCLUDE ADHERENCE TO STIPULATIONS OR ELEVATIONS ONLY TO HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. VERTICAL DIMENSIONS, NEW AND EXISTING OPENINGS, VERTICAL WALL CONNECTION DETAIL BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, EXTERIOR WALLS AND GARAGE DOOR ELEVATIONS AND DETAILS SUBMITTED. DRAWINGS ARE NOT 80% COMPLETE AS REQUIRED BY THE FINAL C O A APPLICATION. THEY'RE CONCEPTUAL AT BEST. THEY ARE INCOMPLETE, MISSING WALL ELEVATIONS OF SEVERAL ERRORS, NO VERTICAL DIMENSIONS. THOSE TWO PLAN OPTIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ONLY AS CONCEPTUAL. IF APPLICANT WILL NOT AGREE TO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ONLY, THEN THE MONTE VISTA ARC RECOMMENDS DENIAL UNTIL APPLICATION IS APPROPRIATELY BIASED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR OPINION AND RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, NEXUS ITEM 16 10 22 NOLAN. UM, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY THE DI NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THEIR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY CHRIS COKER, UM, FOR ALTERATIONS FOR EXTERIOR ALTERATIONS. UPON REVIEW THE H PARK, THE PROJECT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER 24 9 19 EAST CROCKETT. WE HAVE TWO. UM, FIRST, THE DI NEW HILL NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. THEIR HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY JENNIFER PARK FOR FENCING. UPON REVIEW, THE H PARK SUPPORTS THE PROJECT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. WE ALSO HAVE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, BY THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORS, UH, ON BEHALF OF EVAN BROWN. UM, WE DO NOT SUPPORT O H P STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED FENCE DESIGN. SINCE CURRENT O H P GUIDELINES SAY THAT NEW FENCES OR WALLS AND THE MATERIALS SHOULD APPEAR SIMILAR TO THOSE USED [00:15:01] HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THE PREVALENT USE OF THE RURAL GEAR FENCE AND WOOD AND METAL INFO PANEL IS POPULAR AND ALL METAL VERSION IS NOT. NOR ARE THEY HISTORIC AND INSTEAD ARE COMMERCIAL IN CHARACTER O HP'S PROPOSED FENCE POLICY GUIDE IS HOPE THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE IN USE IN THE FUTURE. VERIFIES THE NON-CONFORMING FENCES SHOULD BE CITED AS SUPPORTING CONDITIONS FOR NEW FENCES. AND ONE OF THE MOST COMMON APPRO APPROPRIATE FENCE TYPES INCLUDES WOOD FRAMED CATTLE PANEL OR HOT WIRE FENCING. NEXT IS ITEM 29, UM, FOR 6 0 7 HEMISPHERE. THESE WERE SUBMITTED BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, SIGNED BY PATTY ZIONS. ADDRESSES 1 0 17. WILLIAM CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO PREFERRED THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE ESPINOZA HOUSE BE REDUCED IN MASS. THE REDUCTION IN MASS COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED BY USING A DIFFERENT ROOF FORM SUCH AS A SHED ROOF RATHER THAN THE FLAT PARA PARAPET ROOF. THIS MAY HELP TO LY REDUCE THE MASSING AND ENSURE THAT THE ADDITION NEEDS SUBORDINATE TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. UM, LASTLY, WE HAVE COMMENTS FOR ITEM 31 4 21 ROOSEVELT. THESE WERE ALSO SUBMITTED BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, BY PATTY ZOX 1 0 7. KING MOBILE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE REQUEST REMOVE THE CONTRIBUTING DESIGNATION STATUS FROM 4 21 ROOSEVELT. THE REMOVAL OF THIS DESIGNATION WAS CERTAINLY CLEAR THE WAY FOR COMPLETE DEMOLITION, COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE SITE'S STRUCTURES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT REMAINS OF THE 1939 BUILDING, WHICH IS SURROUNDED BY LATER ADDITIONS AND CURRENTLY NOT VISIBLE, NOT VISIBLY ACCESSIBLE. THE 1950 PORTION OF THE COMPLEX SHOULD ALSO BE STUDIED FOR ITS POTENTIAL TO BE REHABILITATED AS PART OF A FUTURE USE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF THE COMMENTS. UM, LAUREN'S NODDING. UM, SO AT THIS TIME I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE REFUSALS ALSO, UM, FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND ZER. UM, SO ITEMS 1318 AND THEN I BELIEVE MS. SCROLL DOWN, LAUREN. YEAH, ITEM 23. UM, THOSE WILL BE MOVED OVER FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, UM, BECAUSE OF THOSE REFUSALS. AND AT THIS TIME IF THERE'S [CONSENT AGENDA] ANY THAT WOULD LIKE FOR A MOVE FOR THIS TIME. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I ASK THAT ITEM 2 5 11 DAWSON AND ITEM 24 9 1 9 EAST POCKET BE REMOVED FROM CONCERN AGENDA. OKAY. AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE CHANGES LIVE ON THE SCREEN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, SEE THEM. UH, WE'RE JUST COLORING THE LINE IN A LIGHT GREEN COLOR. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 14, WHICH IS TWO 18 WEST RESEARCH. OKAY. ANY OTHERS? OKAY AT THIS TIME, UM, WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO MOTIONS FOR APPROVAL OF THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS WOULD BE ITEM ONE E THROUGH EIGHT ITEMS 10 THROUGH 12, ITEMS 15 THROUGH 17, ITEMS 19 THROUGH 22. AND ITEMS 25 31. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEMS 2 13 14 18, 23 AND 24 AND ITEM NINE, WHICH HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I SECOND MR. CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? EZ AYE FISH AYE GIVES. AYE THE LAST CASE? AYE. OLA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. AYE. ER AYE. [00:20:01] AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. I THINK THAT WENT WELL. IT'S, IT'S GONNA GO SLOWLY TODAY. UM, BUT THAT WAS PRETTY CLEAR. UM, SO THIS WILL BRING US TO THE FIRST ITEM OF FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION. UM, IT'S ITEM NUMBER TWO, ITEM 11, DAWSON. UM, WE ARE, WE PREPARED TO, UH, HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE FOR THIS. UM, WE FAMOUS THE CASE MANAGER. I IMAGINE HE IS CONFERENCING THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW. UH, LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS FOUR ACTUALLY [20-2927 Address/Description: 428 E MYRTLE HDRC Case No.: 2020-136 Historic District Name: Tobin Hill Applicant: Lisa McCorquodale-Robalin Request: Installation of front yard fencing City Council Dist.: 1] ITEM 13 4 28 EAST MYRTLE. UM, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED FOR RECUSAL ONLY. SO LET'S GO THROUGH THOSE REFUSALS FIRST. WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN WE'LL BE READY TO HEAR FROM APPLICANT'S FOR THE REMAIN. UM, SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, IF YOU CAN MUTE YOURSELF AND TURN OFF YOUR VIDEO, UM, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 13. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF STIPULATION. SECOND. SECOND. CHAIRMAN, FETZER. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR CASE NUMBER 13. I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. HERNANDEZ. HERNANDEZ. AYE. FISH MR. FISH? AYE. YES. AYE. THE LAST CASE? AYE. AYE COMMISSIONER SO I'M MOVING ON TO COMMISSIONER. AYE COMMISSIONER? AYE COMMISSIONER AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS [20-2923 Address/Description: 430 E MYRTLE HDRC Case No.: 2020-132 Historic District Name: Tobin Hill Applicant: Lisa McCorquodale-Robalin Request: Installation of front yard fencing City Council Dist.: 1] US TO ITEM 18, 4 30 EAST MYRTLE AGAIN. CUS UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE SILENCE? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER SECOND. WE'LL TAKE THAT FROM GROUP. SHE WAS, SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 18 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GOOD. MONDAY. I, I COMMISSIONER AYE COMMISSIONER? AYE COMMISSIONER THE LAST AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? MOVING ON TO COMMISSIONER. AYE. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ME. TRY FETZER AGAIN. AYE. THANK YOU. AYE COMMISSIONER. AYE. MOTION, CARRIE? OKAY, THIS IS GOOD. PRACTICE . ALL RIGHT. UM, NOW, UH, MR. CARPENTER CAN TURN HIMSELF BACK ON REJOIN THE MEETING. [20-2940 Address/Description: 1703 BROADWAY HDRC Case No.: 2020-129 RIO District: RIO-2 Applicant: Leslie Points/Credit Human Federal Credit Union Request: Signage City Council Dist.: 1] UM, AND I'LL ASK CHAIRMAN FETZER TO MUTE HIMSELF AND TURN OFF HIS CAMERA FOR ITEM 23 17 0 3 BROADWAY. UM, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED FOR RECUSAL ONLY. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS. SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN ENTER HAND MOTION [00:25:02] COMMISSIONER FERNANDES MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 23 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS IN A SECOND. MAY I HAVE THE CALL PLEASE? AYE. AYE. AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER GROUP? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. MOTION. THANK YOU. AND KRISTEN, IF YOU COULD JUST, UM, AGAIN, SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER AND SLOWER SO YOU CAN COME THROUGH. OKAY. I [20-2862 Address/Description: 511 DAWSON ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-113 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Andres Garza/AJG/TX Group LLC Request: New construction of a single-story dwelling unit on rear lot City Council Dist.: 2] BELIEVE WE'RE READY FOR ITEM TWO, ITEM 11, DAWSON. UM, WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS CASE. YOU ON MUTE? LEE, ARE YOU THERE? UH, THIS IS . YES, UH, I HAVE THE APPLICANT, ANDRES ON BEHALF OF, UH, FELIX ON THE LINE. HELLO, ANDRESS, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. OKAY, ANDRESS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, CHAIRMAN FESTER, HAVE YOU REJOINED US? YES. OKAY. UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, I BELIEVE THIS WAS PULLED BY, UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBS? YES, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. UM, I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SO CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE, UM, THE REAR SETBACK ON MS. ? UM, CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT, UM, HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THAT DECISION AND, UM, WHY IT VARIES FROM WHAT, UM, THE ZONING DESIGNATION IS? YES, SIR. UM, IN TALKING WITH THE ZONING COMMITTEE AND OR THE ZONING, UH, TO GET A, UM, UM, CERTIFICATE DETERMINATION, UH, THEY REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S AN ALLEY LOT THAT THE FRONT OF THE, THE RESIDENCE BE RECOGNIZED AS THE BACK PART FACING FIVE 11 DAWSON, UH, EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO, UH, WHAT WAS PUT TOGETHER WAS, UM, WHERE THE OFFSETS WERE SET TO 15 AND 15 EVENLY BETWEEN, FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK. UM, AS FAR AS MOVING THOSE OFFSETS, UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH, UH, CHANGING A 10 TO 20, YOU KNOW, 10 UP FRONT AND, AND 20 IN BACK. UH, IT, IT'S KIND OF A MOOT POINT FOR US. OKAY, GREAT. AND, UM, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, UM, SO IF YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT, I THINK THAT MAY SOLVE THE ISSUE THERE. SO ALSO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE, UM, THE VINYL WINDOWS. UM, THEY DON'T SEEM TO FIT WITHIN, UM, SUSTAINABILITY MISSION, UM, FOR O H P SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAMS. SO CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT AS WELL? YES, SIR. UM, THE FIVE 11 DAWSON PRO PROPERTY WAS BUILT NEW 2017. UH, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING USED ON FIVE 11, UH, DAWSON WERE THE SAME WINDOWS WE WANTED TO UTILIZE, UH, ON THE NEW STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE, UH, SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE. UM, AND, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE INSETS AND THE OFFSETS THAT ARE DRAWN UP BY THE CITY CODE, UH, WE EXPECT TO COMPLY WITH THAT ENTIRELY, UH, TO WHERE IT DOES HAVE THE WINDOWS SEAL AND THE, THE, THE TWO, UH, INCH INSET. UM, SO, UH, THE ONLY, UH, I WAS TOLD VERY CLEARLY THAT IT WASN'T A QUESTION OF THE VINYL, IT WAS MORE A QUESTION OF THE FACT THAT IT WAS SET, UH, TO REPLICA A [00:30:01] HISTORIC WINDOW. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID ON FIVE 11 DAWSON ON THE FRONT HOUSE. AND THAT'S OUR INTENTION. THANK YOU. AND, UM, ONE LAST QUESTION ON THIS. UM, SO DO YOU CONSIDER THESE TO BE TWO STRUCTURES ON ON INDIVIDUAL LOT? YES. YES. OKAY. YES. SO DO YOU THINK THE THE BACK HOUSE, THE, THE INDEPENDENT STRUCTURE, AND WHAT ABOUT WHEN YOU PLAN TO, UM, WHEN THIS IS PLAN TO BE SOLD IN THE FUTURE? UM, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE, THAT THE REAR PROPERTY WILL BE LEFT WITHOUT PARKING? OH, IS THE APPLICANT STILL THERE? IF THE APPLICANT HAS DROPPED OFF, I CAN REPORT ABOUT THAT FROM A D R C. OKAY. WHY DON'T WE START WITH THAT WHILE WE TRY TO GET HIM BACK. SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU. YES. WHY DON'T WE START WITH THAT REPORT WHILE WE TRY TO GET THE EVIDENCE. SO IN A D R C MEETING WHEN THIS ISSUE WAS DISCUSSED, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS IS DEEDED, UH, OR, UH, IT'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT EASEMENT THAT, UH, MUST REMAIN OPEN FOR THE REAR STRUCTURE. SO THE PLA THE PLOT WAS MODIFIED TO SHOW THAT EASEMENT THAT GETS ACCESS FOR PARKING TO THE REAR STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTION. THIS COMMISSIONER GROUP, CAN I, HELLO? THIS IS GARZA. ARE YOU STILL CALL? I'M JUST GETTING BACK. GOT DROPPED OFF. YEAH, WE HAVE FLIGHT BACK. I'M GONNA CALL YOU BACK. OKAY. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER GROUPE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH. UM, COMMISSIONER GI, I UNDERSTAND, UM, YOUR DILEMMA WITH THE WINDOWS NOW. UM, I ALSO CONCUR WITH STAFF COMMENTS THAT THEY'RE MATCHING THE WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WAS CONSTRUCTED YEARS AGO. SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE MATCHING THE WINDOWS ON THE PARAMETER STRUCTURE, I FEEL STRUCTURE, I FEEL, UM, THAT THAT WILL BE THE REASON FOR THOSE, UH, WINDOWS APPLICANT BACK. BY THE WAY, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? EZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. A MOTION? I WASN'T. I WAS MUTED. . SO AGENDA, WE'RE [20-2870 Address/Description: 218 W HUISACHE AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-115 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Bob Wise Request: Second floor addition to rear garage City Council Dist.: 1] ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, THAT'S ADDRESS TWO 18 WEST RESEARCH. UM, THIS WAS PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION. UM, WE ALREADY HEARD FROM THE MONTE VISTA, MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ON THAT ITEM. UM, RACHEL, DID WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YES, THIS IS RACHEL [00:35:01] AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT, PAUL WHITE ON THE LINE. BOB, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. OKAY. BEFORE WE START, I DO WANNA CLARIFY, UM, THAT IN THE APPLICATION THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UM, IT WAS AN ERROR ON STAFF'S PART, UM, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED FOR FINAL OR CERTIFICATE. UM, SO TODAY'S ACTION WOULD BE FOR CO UM, THIS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I, I PULLED THIS ITEM JUST TO DISCUSS THAT ISSUE. UH, MR. WISE YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T OBJECT TO CONCEPTUAL, UH, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY, I TAKE IT? NO. UM, AND YOU AGREED WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOU SHARE THOSE, THOSE DOCUMENTS AS THEY BECOME FINALIZED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, I'D APPRECIATE IT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THIS IS SCOTT CARPENTER. I LEAD FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 14 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER DIBBS? AYE. COMMISSIONER QUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER GABRIELLA AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER ? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LA COMMISSIONER LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING IT. UM, ITEM 24 9 1 9 [20-2975 Address/Description: 919 E CROCKETT ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-144 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Jennifer Park/PARK JENNIFER L & JEFFREY S Request: Fencing City Council Dist.: 2] EAST CROCKETT. AND THIS WAS THE LAST ITEM PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION. UM, WE FROM BOTH THE DI DUTY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL AS THE GROUP OF CITIZENS, UM, WE DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YES, HE THE APPLICANT JIMMY IS ON THE LINE. HELLO. OKAY, GOOD AFTERNOON JIMMY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS CONCERNING, UM, YOUR PROPERTY. 9 1 9 EAST . SO CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE, THE ALL METAL FENCE, UM, WHICH SEEMS TO BE A COMMERCIAL, UM, COMMERCIAL TYPE THING THAT WE NORMALLY SEE IN RETAIL, HOSPITALITY AND MULTIFAMILY. CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT PLEASE? YES, SIR. UM, WHAT ME AND MY HUSBAND ARE LOOKING AT DOING IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE, THE WOODEN FRAME FENCES, WITH THE HOG WIRE CATTLE PANEL ONLY. INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE WOOD THAT APPEARS REAL BULKY AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NOT VERY DURABLE, NOT GOOD QUALITY. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE BASIC, NON FLASHY, GOOD QUALITY. UH, IT IS A TWO INCH, UM, SQUARE FRAME, UM, OF METAL AROUND THE, UM, CA COW PANEL, CATTLE PANEL OR HOG WIRE. UM, NOT GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM ANY HOUSE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE CATCHY. IT'S JUST, JUST TO SERVE THE PURPOSE OF OUR SECURITY, UM, FROM HAVING PEOPLE WALKING UP ON THE, THE FRONT LAWN AND LOOKING POWER WINDOWS. SO, UM, WERE YOU, BEFORE MAKING THAT DECISION, DID YOU, UM, ACTUALLY LOOK AT AND CONFIRM WHAT, WHAT THE GUIDELINES ABOUT FULL DEFENSE POLICY? OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO OUTSIDE OF THE, THE NORM? JUST FOR THE REASON YOU STATED? I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS ANYWHERE. I'VE SEEN SOME OF 'EM AROUND, LIKE ACROSS FROM THE PHE. THERE'S A HOUSE ON LABOR STREET THAT HAS IT. THE BALDWIN HAS IT ON THEIR PORCHES. UM, AND I'VE SEEN WALKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M NOT SURE THE STREET NAME, BUT I'VE SEEN OTHER SIMILAR FENCES, UM, THERE. AND UM, I DID NOT CHECK THE ACTUAL LITERATURE BECAUSE I FIGURED JUST LOOKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, THAT OUR FENCE WOULD FIT IN, UM, WITH THE UP UP IN THE GUIDELINES CONSIDERING WHAT ELSE WAS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE OF AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. YES SIR. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FENCE CROSSING THE [00:40:01] DRIVEWAY. UH, I ASSUME YOU'RE PROPOSING A GATE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR. IT'LL BE A MANUAL ROLLING GATE THAT ROLLS ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY. THE DRIVEWAY IS 12 FEET WIDE AT THE SINGLE CAR DRIVEWAY. OKAY. UM, WOULD STAFF COMMENT ON, UH, GATES CROSSING DRIVEWAYS BEING APPROPRIATE OR NOT? UM, YES PLEASE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I'M GONNA GO AHEAD. YES, GO, GO AHEAD. UM, YES, TYPICALLY, AND AS YOU RECALL FROM OTHER RECENT CASES, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UM, THE DEFENSE NOT CROSS THE DRIVEWAY AND INSTEAD THE DRIVEWAY GATE OCCUR SOME SOMEWHERE BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. UM, HERE, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY, UH, WE DO ASK FOR A LANDSCAPE PLAN WHEN NEW CONSTRUCTION COMES IN. 'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THOSE THINGS CAN BE FIGURED OUT AND WE REVIEW THE SITE PLAN. UM, SO THIS FENCE IS A LITTLE AFTER THE FACT. UM, IF THEY WERE TO RETURN THAT FENCE AT THE DRIVEWAY, IT WOULD TERMINATE INTO THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH IS ALSO KIND OF A STRANGE CONDITION. AND SO JUST GIVEN THE, THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND USE ANY BEHIND THE SPECIFIC REQUEST, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. FETZER, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MS. COMMISSIONER GROVE? I'D LIKE TO LEAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM. ITEM 24, MS. STAFF STIPULATIONS. MS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I SECOND THAT MOTION. CHAIRMAN FETZER, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? AYE TO COMMISSIONER FISH. AYE. DIBBS A COMMISSIONER? VELAZQUEZ AYE. COMMISSIONER GABRIELLA AYE. YOUR COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. YOUR COMMISSIONER? VE AYE. COMMISSIONER BE AYE. A COMMISSIONER LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. A, UM, MOVING ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL, UM, [20-2903 Address/Description: 310 RIVERSIDE DR HDRC Case No.: 2020-100 Historic District Name: Mission RIO District: RIO-5 Applicant: Kevin Gerrish/Tandemonium, LLC Request: Installation of a pre-fabricated metal covered patio City Council Dist.: 3] AGENDA ITEM 32 IS THREE TO RIVERSIDE. UM, EDWARD HALL IS THE CASE TURE. SO HE'S GONNA BEGIN BY READING THE CASE INTO THE RECORD AS WELL AS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION LIKE WE NORMALLY DO. UM, WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT ITEM, BUT THAT WOULD FOLLOW RIGHT AFTER WE APPLICANT DISCUSSED OR ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. EDWARD ON, WE NEED TO UNMUTE HIM. AGENDA ITEM EDWARD, TRY AGAIN. AGENDA, AGENDA ITEM 32 3 10. RIVERSIDE, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 2100. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A PREFABRICATED CARDBOARD STRUCTURE ON THE EXISTING CONCRETE SLAB AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE LOCATED AT THREE 10 RIVERSIDE LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A STRUCTURE THAT IS DESIGNED SPECIFIC FOR THE SITE AND EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR ADDITION. AND WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY NAME IS SARAH GARRIS. THIS IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 3 1 0 RIVERSIDE. AND BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS WE ARE TRYING TO READ LIFE INTO THE BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS TRYING TO BUILD A MORE FAMILY-LIKE COMMUNITY. A UM, WHAT WE ARE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT IS IN THE BACK THERE IS A CONCRETE SLAB. UM, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD VIEW OF IT FROM RIVERSIDE. UM, YOU CAN'T SEE IT [00:45:01] FROM THE RIVER. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE, UH, SOME KIND OF SHADE FOR OUR POTENTIAL EATING AREA, A COMMUNITY SPACE. THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UM, OR STRUCTURE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, IS BASICALLY A, A COST THING. UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT, ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE COVID 19 , THIS IS BASICALLY A COST THAT ANY OTHER KIND OF STRUCTURES WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE THAN DOUBLE AND THEY'RE JUST NOT REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, DOABLE FOR THIS KIND OF PROJECT. AND SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SELECT THE KIND OF SHAPE FOR THIS, FOR THIS LAB. I SEE THAT THE PICTURE THAT Y'ALL ARE SEEING ONLINE, I THINK THERE'S A LAG ON ONLINE, BUT THAT, THAT RENDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET PRICE THAT OUT AND IT'S JUST, JUST NOT COST EFFECTIVE AND IS OUT OF REACH FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESS. THE RENDERING THAT THE APPLICANT IS REFERRING TO IS ON PAGE 12 OF THE POSTED FILE. YEAH, THERE IT IS ON THE SCREEN NOW. SO THAT WAS PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY, UM, REVIEWED AND APPROVED. UM, AND SO THIS IS A VERSION OF THAT. UM, IF, IF, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? WELL, THIS IS A VELAZQUEZ A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, AS PRESENTED IN THE RENDERINGS, THAT THAT'S, UH, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF WHAT THE, THE APPLICANT'S STATED. WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A PERMANENT STRUCTURE OF ANY KIND. RIGHT? IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S BOLTED DOWN. THOSE ARE THOSE, THOSE, OR AT LEAST WHAT I'M SEEING, IT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THOSE TEMPORARY COVERS. WHY, WHY WOULD SOMETHING TEMPORARY THAT ISN'T IN THE FOUNDATION, RIGHT? UH, WHY WOULD THAT COME BEFORE THE H D R C? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY? PARTICULARLY IF THEY CAN BE AS A TEMPORARY? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S PERMANENT SEARCH. UM, SO THE REQUEST IS FOR SORT OF A PERMANENT INSTALLATION, SO THEY WOULD USE THIS FOR SHAPE. UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE MATERIALS AND WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS KEEPING WITH THE DESIGN AND CARRIAGE, THE STRUCTURE BEING PROPOSED. OKAY. I I UNDERSTAND IT. JUST, JUST, JUST, UM, I I GUESS MY COMMENT TO, TO STAFF WOULD BE THAT FOR ME, I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR ON, UH, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED FROM THE RENDERING TO THIS, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. AND THEN I SEE THESE FOUNDATION PLANS, BUT THEN THERE'S A PICTURE OF AN EXISTING FOUNDATION, RIGHT? AND IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS THING IS ATTACHING TO AN EXISTING SLAB, NOT ACTUALLY DRILLING INTO THE GROUND AND PUTTING EARS LIKE THAT DRAWING THERE SHOWS. SO IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE BETWEEN THE RENDERINGS, REALLY NICE RENDERING THAT, SO WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN? THAT'S ONE THING, BUT WHAT SEEMS TO BE PROPOSED SEEMS TO BE, SO THAT'S WHAT IS PROPOSED. AND GO AHEAD AND THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE BEST TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS PROPOSED AT THE, THE , UH, STRUCTURE WOULD BE BOLTED TO THE EXISTENCE LAB. SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND AND STAFF, IF I COULD ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS', I GUESS CONCERN IS, I GUESS ON ITS BASIS, YES, IT'S A PERMANENT STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE REMOVED FROM DAY TO DAY, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PERMANENT LAY CONCRETE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING PERMANENTLY STUCK WHEREVER IT SEEMS IT'S, IT COULD BE EASILY REMOVED, SO TO SPEAK. UM, I I GUESS THAT'S WHAT MY COMMITMENT TRYING TO, YES, IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES. IT'S FOUND TO THE GROUND, DRILLED INTO THE GROUND AND IT'S JUST BOLTED TO SEE FOUNDATION. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE A SHED, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEBODY PUTS IN THEIR BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A MORE SERIOUS KIND OF, UH, A SCALE AND ALL OF THAT, BUT I I I JUST WONDER WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GONNA GET TORN DOWN LATER WHEN ALL OF THE SITUATION CHANGES AND THEY'RE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT A PERMIT. SO, UM, COMMISSIONERS, I THINK, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR IT TO BE TEMPORARY. THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PERMANENT INSTALLATION OF SOMETHING, AS YOU SAY IS NOT VERY SUBSTANTIAL. AND SO IT'S NOT REALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER THAT'S RECOMMENDED IN THE, IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. NOW, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE A TEMPORARY INSTALLATION, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY DO IT AS TEMPORARY AND THEN, AND SET A TIME LIMIT ON IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A TEMP, AN APPROVAL FOR A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, IT SHOULD BE [00:50:01] TEMPORARY. AND SHANNON, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH, COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. I, I GUESS THAT THEN, THEN THAT RAISES THIS KIND, JUST THE SIMPLE ISSUES TO WHETHER IT WOULD BE A MOTION FOR TEMPORARY OR WHETHER THE APPLICANT WOULD ALTER THEIR APPLICATION AND REQUEST A TEMPORARY RIGHT. IN WHICH CASE MAY BE THE SAME THING. I DON'T, I THINK EITHER WOULD WORK WELL, AND I, I'D BE CURIOUS AS TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE ITSELF. IT'S, IT'S BEEN DRASTICALLY IMPROVED PRETTY QUICK. WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, I GUESS RED TAPE WAS TIED TO, TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE TOO. I MEAN, I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE I SHOULD JUST RESEARCH MYSELF, BUT I, I'D JUST BE, I I I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY, UH, COMPROMISE OUR, OUR DUTIES HERE TODAY. I, I GUESS I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. SHANNON, THOUGH, WITH THE TECHNICALITIES, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROOVE. I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT AS HOW MUCH SHE'S USING THE METAL SHEETING ON THE SIDES. IT'S GONNA BE FULLY COVERED OR JUST THE ROOF. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? AS FOR THE METAL SHEETING? UM, I THINK ONCE TWO, UH, SOME EARLIER SLIDES ON THE BUILDING SPECIFICATIONS, IT'S, UH, THERE'S TYPE ONE, WHICH IS LIKE A CARPORT TYPE WHERE ONLY THE SHEETING IS OVER THE, AND THEN TYPE TWO WHERE THE SHEETING IS ALL AROUND THE, THE SIGNS OF THE BUILDING. ARE YOU DOING ONLY THE, THE ROOF OR ALSO THE SIDES? IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR, YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, THE, THE COVERING IS GOING TO JUST COVER THE, THIS LAST QUESTION. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN NOW, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE SHOWN. ONE SHOWING, UH, FULL SIDES, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT AND THEN THE ONE ON THE LEFT. THERE'S ONLY A ROOF STRUCTURE WHERE THE, UH, SIDE WALLS ARE OPEN AND YOU JUST HAVE THE COLUMNS. WHICH OF THESE WERE YOU PROPOSING? WE WERE PROPOSING THE NO WALLS, WE ONE OF THE ROOF FOR THIS ONE TO BY CHASE. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, THERE'S TWO ROOF FORMS HERE. ONE, UH, AGAIN, ON THE LEFT HAS CURVED, UH, A CURVED PORTION BETWEEN THE RAFTER AND THE COLUMN, WHEREAS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT ACTUALLY HAS A SLIGHT OVERHANG ON THE ROOF TO THE, UH, COLUMNS. UH, WHICH OF THESE WERE YOU PROPOSING? THE ROOF FORM? WE WERE PROPOSING THE, THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THE MODEL, THE, THE ROOF LINE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY, SO THE DRAWING THAT'S UP NOW WOULD BE THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME. SO THE, THE DRAWING THAT'S UP NOW, YOU'RE PROPOSING THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT, CORRECT. THE APPLICANT, THE DRAWING, THE, ON THE RIGHT. I'M SORRY. THERE'S A, THERE'S A DELAY ON THE SCREEN. THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT WITHOUT THE WALLS, THE ROOF LINE WILL MATCH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. THANK YOU. REPORT THAT. I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ AND, AND COMMISSIONER ARRIOLA ABOUT THE PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION AROUND IS IT PERMANENT OR NOT? UM, BY NOT BEING, NOT HAVING THE WALLS AND MORE CONSIDERED MORE CARPORT. UM, AND ALSO WITH THE FACT THAT THAT ROOF LINE WILL BE THE A TYPE, YOU KNOW, FRAME THAT THE, A FRAME THAT MATCHES THE MAIN BUILDING, I WOULD SUPPORT IT MAYBE ADDING, YOU KNOW, STIPULATIONS THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST ADD THE WALLS, MAYBE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK OR MAYBE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. AND I WOULD ENTERTAIN THAT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. IF YOU COULD PULL UP KIND OF THAT AERIAL FOGO, UH, OF THE SITE FROM GOOGLE EARTH AND SHOW US ABOUT WHERE THIS PREFAB CARPORT WOULD BE, THAT IMAGE, UM, WHERE THE, THE LONG, THE LONG BUILDING THERE IS A PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT. CAN YOU JUST POINT OUT, CAN STAFF JUST POINT OUT FOR ME WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS GOING ON THIS RIGHT THERE? SO, I MEAN, MY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND THIS IS A, A REALLY HIGHLY VISIBLE SPACE ON THE MISSION REACH. UM, THIS IS, UH, TO ME A SENSITIVE AREA NEXT TO A HIGHWAY. AND I, I JUST CAN'T FIND, UH, A PREFAB CARPORT, UH, ACCEPTABLE ACCESSORY, UH, STRUCTURE ADDITION FOR THIS. I THINK THERE ARE, ARE WAYS [00:55:01] TO AFFORDABLY CREATE A SHADE AREA THAT CAN BE OCCUPIED THAT DON'T REQUIRE THAT, THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES, BUT, BUT NOT IN THE WAY THAT THE ORIGINAL RENDERING SHOWS. SO I WON'T BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION TODAY. THIS IS THE LAST CASE. I I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE AREA. UH, THAT AREA. IS THAT GRASS OR, UM, I, I'M THINKING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A FOUNDATION, BUT I THINK THE COMMISSIONER'S, RIGHT? I THINK WHERE THAT BACK PART OF THE STRUCTURE IS NOW THAT PATIO SLAB. SO THAT'S OLD. YEAH. SO THE GOOGLE PICTURES ARE OLD. WE DON'T KNOW. GOOGLE PICTURES ARE OLD. THE BUILDING HAS BEEN REMODELED AND YOU CAN SEE NOW IN THE BACK IT HAS WINDOWS AND IT HAS, RIGHT, SO IT HAS BEEN REMODELED AND I GUESS THIS CARPO WILL BE AN EXTENSION, CREATING THAT SHADE ON THAT. UH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING AND NOT, AND IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING. CORRECT? IT'LL NOT BE ATTACHED. IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE A 10 FOOT GAP FOR THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE FIRE CODE. I, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, SO JUST TO, YOU'RE DOING THE A FORM, UH, FRAME AND THAT RESEMBLES THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, ON FINDING C IT'S, UH, MENTIONS THAT IT SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY OR EXISTING STRUCTURE. WOULD THE APPLICANT, UH, ENTERTAIN IT BEING A LITTLE BIT LOWER? I CAN'T, I CAN'T PRETTY CAN'T TELL IF ON THE PLANS IT SHOWS IT BEING AT THE SAME ROOF LINE. UH, MAYBE THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT AS, UM, THE SAME LEVEL AS THE, AS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER UNE. UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH AND ALSO WITH STAFF COMMENTS. I DON'T THINK A PREFAB, UH, STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION. IF COST IS AN ISSUE, I WOULD SUGGEST THEY, THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE UMBRELLAS AS A TEMPORARY SHADE SOLUTION AND THEN PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE COME BACK WITH A MORE APPROPRIATE DESIGN. WHAT IF, UM, UH, WE MOVE THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS, I DON'T KNOW, I'M ASSUMING IT HASN'T BEEN TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND MAYBE DISCUSS THOSE OPTIONS WITH THE APPLICANT TO GIVE MORE OPTIONS AS WHERE WE WHAT COULD BE POSSIBLY ACCEPTED? YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, I GUESS I WAS JUST TRYING THIS COMMISSIONER OLA SOMETHING I WAS TRYING TO COMMENT EARLIER, EVEN IN RESPECT TO THE PHOTOS WE JUST SAW. AND, AND AGAIN, WHAT IS DEEMED WITH RESPECT TO OUR, OUR MISSION HERE WITH THE, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ITSELF, IT SEEMS LIKE HALF THAT STRUCTURE HAS JUST BEEN TAKEN, STRIPPED OUT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE AND WHAT PROCESS, UM, THAT HAPPENED, BUT CLEARLY AS IDENTIFIED, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THAT BACK SLAB RIGHT NOW, THAT AREA WE'RE SEEING THAT THE GRASS IS BEING IDENTIFIED AS WHERE THE PORT AREA IS. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT EVEN THE CASE. AND SO, UM, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ITSELF HAS BEEN ALREADY COMPROMISED. UM, I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND HOW THAT BACK SLAP AND, AND AGAIN, IF THERE IS MAYBE A DELINEATION, A DIFFERENCE, UM, HOW THAT WE CAN'T WORK SOMETHING OUT. MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? SO IN ADDITION TO CONSIDERING THE HISTORIC BUILDING ITSELF, WE'RE ALSO CONSIDERING THE IMPACT TO THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. AND I, I, UH, I CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER FU AND COMMISSIONER VISH THAT I FEEL LIKE, UH, TEMPORARY OR NOT TEMPORARY, BUT MR PRE PREFAB STRUCTURE IS NOT APPROPRIATE AS IS CURRENTLY BEING REPRESENTED IN THESE DOCUMENTS. FISH, BY THE WAY, ARE VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE THEY, THEY SEEM VERY GENERIC. THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE. THEY HAVE ABOUT SIX DIFFERENT KIND OF FOUNDATION DETAILS GOING ON HERE. IT'D BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE THOSE CLARIFIED. UM, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO A PREFABRICATED STRUCTURE, BUT I THINK YOU COULD THEN GO IN AND ADD SOME CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES TO THOSE THAT ARE IN MATERIALS THAT MIGHT BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE DISTRICT. SO YOU GET THE ECONOMY OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, BUT MAYBE SOME MATERIALS THAT GIVE SCALE MATERIALITY, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. AND SO, UM, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A, UH, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THAT, IF THAT IS INDEED THE DISCUSSION. UH, THIS IS VELASQUEZ. I, [01:00:01] I, UH, LEMME MAKE A COMMENT THAT, THAT, UH, THIS IS IN DISTRICT THREE AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STRUCTURE AND THE HISTORY OF THE STRUCTURE. IT'S BEEN VERY NEGATIVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SO LIVING IN THE SOUTH SIDE, UH, I WANT TO, UH, UH, FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I, I WANNA COMMEND THE, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT HAS TAKEN WHAT HAS BEEN A VERY SERIOUS CONCERN FOR THE SOUTH SIDE COMMUNITY FOR DECADES. AND, UH, THE ATTEMPTS TO, TO, TO BRING THIS TO A PLACE WHERE YOU MENTIONED FAMILIES. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. UH, SO, SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR, UH, DOING THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING NOW. I, I DO FEEL THAT THE PRESENTATION IS, IS CONFUSING. IT, IT LACKS INFORMATION AND ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, COMMISSIONER ARLA, UM, THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE TO THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS STRUCTURE COME BEFORE US. SO, SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO, YOU KNOW, HOW, OR WHERE OR WHY FROM THIS POINT OUT, THIS GOOD EFFORT SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY DETAILS THAT ARE CLEARLY UNDERSTANDABLE. AND I WILL, I I DO ECHO, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S, UM, SUGGESTION, UM, TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH INFORMATION THAT TELLS US EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. AGAIN, I I ALSO AM NOT AGAINST A TEMPORARY, AS SHANNON SUGGESTED LANGUAGE, UM, UH, SITTING ON SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY HAS A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. UM, AND, UM, UH, AND, AND COMMISSIONER FISH, I DO APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR THAT BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL AREA. UH, IF YOU'D SEEN IT BEFORE, UH, I THINK THAT THIS IS A, UH, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MILES AWAY FROM WHERE IT WAS BEFORE. UM, UH, AND A TEMPORARY COMMITMENT, A COMMITMENT TO SOMETHING BOLTED DOWN, I THINK IT CLEARLY IS JUST A HOLDING PLACE, UH, OR, UH, SOMETHING BETTER IN THE FUTURE. UH, I, I, I TOO WOULD, WOULD, UH, SUGGEST, UH, THAT, UH, THEY GO TO A COMMITTEE, BUT, UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY THAT THE DRAWINGS ARE, ARE ONE SOLID PIECE OF PRESENTATION THAT ONLY SPEAKS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN OR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND NOT THIS VERY CONFUSING SITUATION BECAUSE, UM, THE AERIAL SH I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO SEE WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A CURRENT, UH, IMAGE OF A, A SITE COMMISSIONER GREW BY MOVE THIS CASE TO A D DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. I SECOND , THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS CASE TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER ? AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THAT BRINGS [20-2898 Address/Description: 602 KAMPMANN BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2020-112 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Jeffrey Olivarri /OLIVARRI RAY J & ANGELITA Z Request: Front door replacement City Council Dist.: 7] US TO ITEM 33 6 0 2. CANMAN. WE, OR DO WE HAVE THE A ON THE LINE? LEAH, ARE YOU THERE? 12? YES, WE HEAR YOU. HI, THIS IS HUI, H E R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 12 4 6 0 2 ENCAMPMENT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FRONT SET OF DOORS WITH NEW STEEL DOORS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING FEE. THE EXISTING DOOR IS ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE AND SHOULD BE REPAIRED. IF THE APPLICANT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL SUPPORTIVE EVIDENCE THAT THE DOORS ARE BEYOND REPAIR, THEN A SIMILAR STYLE DOOR OR ONE THAT IS COMPATIBLE TO THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE SHOULD BE USED. AND, UH, JEFFREY, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. HELLO. FINE, THANK YOU. YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS AND KIND OF EXPLAIN ON YOUR REQUEST, UM, OR IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE, UH, YES. SO ACTUALLY THE, THE, UM, THE DOORS THAT I CHOSE, I WENT WITH A, A MID-CENTURY, UM, UH, A DOOR. UH, SO I FIGURED THE DOORS THEMSELVES. UH, I TOLD MY HOME IS VERY STATELY LOOKING. I JUST THOUGHT THOSE DOORS THEMSELVES, THAT GAVE IT A EVEN A STATER LOOK. UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING I HAD BEEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. [01:05:01] BUT, UH, I, I'VE, UH, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE ACTUAL DOORS THEMSELVES AND, UM, THEY'RE JUST, UH, THEY FIT THE HOME PERFECTLY AND THEY'RE VERY SECURE DOORS. THEY'RE, UH, STEEL DOORS, THE WHOLE, UH, THE, THE WHOLE STEEL FRAME. IT HAS A, A SHEET OF GLASS ON EACH DOOR THAT ARE FIVE EIGHT INCH THICK. AND THE, THE DOORS THEMSELVES ARE, UH, UH, A STEEL DOOR WITH A WEAVE PATTERN. VERY BEAUTIFUL DOORS. UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE, UM, THEY REALLY GO WITH A HOME IN THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK. HAPPY TEA IS REALLY FORMED ALSO, I MEAN, THE WHOLE, ALL THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN PASSING BY JUST ASKING ME WHAT THEY CAN DO TO SUPPORT THOSE DOORS JUST SO IT WILL, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT, IT, I'M JUST TRYING TO, LIKE I SAID, MAKE MY HOUSE A LITTLE BIT SIER LOOKING WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE BRICK, THE COLUMNS. UM, I WOULDN'T CHANGE IT, UH, BECAUSE MY FATHER, THE LATE JUDGE ARI WOULD BE TURNING HIS GRAVE ALONG WITH MY GRANDFATHER LAVAR TO, UM, THIS HOME, UM, MEANS A LOT TO ME AND I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW, HURT THE HISTORIC PART OF IT. IT'S JUST THE DOORS THEMSELVES. I FEEL LIKE I CAN MAKE THAT HOME EVEN NICER WITH THOSE, UH, STEEL DOUBLE DOORS THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE DOORS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW, WHAT THEY'RE MADE OUT OF AND HOW THEY, HOW THEY'RE, WHAT CONDITION? THEY'RE DOUBLE WOODEN DOORS, UH, TWO DOUBLE WOODEN DOORS. AND ON THE OUTSIDE OF THOSE, IT'S TWO, UH, TWO IRON DOORS ON THE, ON, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE OAK. UM, THE DOORS THEMSELVES, THE WOODEN DOORS ARE ORIGINAL SIX FROM 63. THE, UH, THE STEEL DOORS ALSO, IT'S JUST THEY OPEN UP, SOMETIMES WE LOCK 'EM, BUT THE, THE DOORS THEMSELVES ARE JUST OLDER. UM, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT JUST TO LOCK 'EM ALL UP. SO IT'S MORE OF A, A, A SECURITY THING. ALSO, THOSE TWO DOUBLE DOORS THAT I WOULD BE REPLACING 'EM WITH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE LOCK IN AND OUT. UM, LIKE I SAID, VERY SAFE. AND, UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I, I THINK WOULD MAKE THE HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK GREAT. AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN PASSING BY. JUST EVERYBODY'S APPROVED OF 'EM. THEY, I HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY, UH, NOT LIKE THEM, ESPECIALLY, UH, LIKE I SAID, KATHY OUT AND REACHED OUT TO ME AND SHE WAS JUST BLOWN AWAY BY, BY THE DOORS. AND SHE JUST FELT ALSO THE LOOK OF 'EM WAS GREAT. UM, LIKE I SAID, I WOULDN'T HURT THE STRUCTURE OF THE HOME OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I AM REALLY BIG ON THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, I WAS, UH, I HAD LET KNOW THAT MY GRANDPA ARI, HIS GREAT, GREAT AUNT OWNED THE HOUSE 1 0 17 WILLIAMS STREET, WHICH IS NOW THE, UH, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. SO MY GRANDPA'S AUNT, GREAT, GREAT AUNT MARIA, UH, MARIA OLIVARI WAS MARRIED TO ANTON WOLF. SO JUST OUR HISTORY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO FROM THE 17 HUNDREDS, I WAS NOT COMPROMISE MY HISTORIC HOME NEXT AT ALL. AND MY, LIKE I SAID, MY FATHER, UH, JUDGE RAY ARI THAT PASSED IN JANUARY, ME AND HIM HAD BEEN REALLY LOOKING AT THESE DOORS. SO IT'S MORE OF A, IT WAS MORE OF A PROJECT THAT ME AND HIM STARTED TOGETHER. HE GAVE ME THIS HOME AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THIS HISTORIC HOME TO COMPROMISE IT, JUST BECAUSE THE ARI FAMILY IS REALLY BASED ON THE HISTORIC PART OF SAN ANTONIO. MR. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON TWO THINGS. SO STAFF, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU ARE NOT APPROVING BECAUSE GUIDELINES, UH, FIRST OF ALL, STATE THAT YOU SHOULD ONLY REPLACE IF THEY'RE BEYOND REPAIR. UM, THESE DOORS DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BEYOND REPAIR. UM, AND WHEN REPLACING, YOU RECOMMEND REPLACING IN KIND. RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE THE GUIDELINES. UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT, UM, THE PICTURES YOU SUBMITTED REALLY DON'T, UH, SPEAK TO SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, ITEMS THAT YOU HAVE ALSO WORKED ON THE HOUSE, I BELIEVE NOW YOU, I THINK THERE WAS ONE PICTURE OF, YOU KNOW, BLACK SHUTTERS AND, AND THE BLACK WINDOWS, WHICH PROBABLY ALSO CAN BIT MORE CONTEXT AND YEAH, IT'S THE SAME WINDOWS AND SAME, THE WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS ARE FROM THE SIXTIES. IT'S JUST BEEN PAINTED BLACK. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO GET A LITTLE, I'M SORRY. NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT CONTEXT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. UM, SO OKAY. IT'S MORE ABOUT MATCHING THE WINDOWS ARE THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT WERE HERE FROM THE SIXTIES. UM, [01:10:01] THE WINDOWS ARE THE SAME. I HADN'T CHANGED OUT THE WINDOWS AND THE SHUTTERS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ORIGINAL. THE ORIGINAL SHUTTERS ALSO PAINTED 'EM, UM, JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE, THE PAINT WAS COMING OFF IN CERTAIN AREAS AND I JUST HAD 'EM REDONE JUST TO KIND OF GIVE IT A, A A A JUST BRIGHTEN UP THE HOUSE. AND LIKE I SAID, NOT ONLY KATHY PEAK, BUT ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT BEEN, THAT PASSED BY, THEY WERE LIKE, GOD, YOU'VE REALLY, REALLY HAVE UPDATED, YOU KNOW, NOT UPDATED, BUT I'VE MADE THE HOUSE SO PRESENTABLE. THEY'RE JUST SO PROUD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PAST BY THIS HOUSE NOW. UM, WHICH WE'RE JUST THRILLED TO KEEP UP WITH ANYMORE. BUT NOW I'M HERE AND LIKE I SAID, I'M, I'M, I'M, I WANT TO MAKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD EVEN EVEN NICE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL. BUT IF I JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE THOSE DOORS WOULD, UH, JUST REALLY GIVE IT A CURB APPEAL. SINCE I'M RIGHT DOWN THE, UH, SUMMIT ENCAMPMENT, I'M THE FIRST HOUSE THEY SEE WHEN THEY COME DOWN SUMMIT. UM, LIKE I SAID, I WOULDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING TO THE HOME STRUCTURE OF THE HOME, UH, TO COMPROMISE AT THE STORE, UH, PART OF IT. BUT THOSE STORES, I FEEL LIKE THEY FIT THE HOME PROPERLY. MS. ARI AND I THINK, YEAH, I, I'M, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO BUILD CONTEXT TO WHAT, UM, MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, BECAUSE THE GUIDELINES SAY ONE THING. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UM, HAVE THOSE DOORS ALREADY LIKE, BEEN PAID FOR THAT THE ONLY MODEL YOU'VE LOOKED AT, OR ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS? I, I PAID $8,000 FOR THE DOORS ALREADY, SO THIS IS OKAY. HELLO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD. OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE KIND OF STEPPING ON EACH OTHER HERE. UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I JUST HAD A, A QUICK QUESTION IS WHAT IS YOUR INTENT, UH, WITH THE, UH, ROD IRON GATES AND THINGS? ARE YOU GONNA TIP THOSE AND USE THOSE SOMEPLACE ELSE? ARE YOU JUST DISCARDING THOSE? AND SAME WITH THE DOORS. I WOULD ACTUALLY BE KEEPING THE, UH, THE DOORS. I'D BE KEEPING BOTH THAT I'M NOT GETTING, I'M NOT, I'M A, I KEEP 'EM IN THE BACK. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER UNE. UH, THE DOORS I THINK ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE, BUT TO ME THEY'RE MORE, THEY LOOK MUCH MORE LIKE A COMMERCIAL DOOR THAN A RESIDENTIAL DOOR, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION. YES, SIR. YEAH, MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT THREE HOUSES DOWN ACTUALLY HAVE A RESTAURANT TILE BLACK DOOR, UM, THAT ARE EXIT, LIKE RESTAURANT DOORS. SO I'VE WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I JUST DON'T SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST AREN'T GONNA GO AND GET CUSTOM DOORS MADE. THEY'RE GONNA PROBABLY GO TO HOME DEPOT AND GET A, YOU KNOW, A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS DOORS THERE. UM, LIKE I SAID, I I, I THINK I'M GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR THIS HOME BY ADDING THESE DOORS. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO CHEAP ON THIS, ON ANYTHING I BOUGHT ON THIS HOME ON OR FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT I BOUGHT INSIDE. SO, LIKE I SAID, I, I, I DON'T, I DISAGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THOSE, THAT MY CURRENT DOORS ARE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE FROM THE SIXTIES. UH, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPER OLD, BUT I THINK THESE NEWER IRON DOORS ARE JUST A LOT SAFER FOR THE WIFE AND KIDS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I JUST, UM, I THINK THEY WOULD JUST REALLY, I, I WANNA MAKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY AROUND ME IS NOW WANTING TO UPDATE THEIR DOORS AND DO THESE THINGS, AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT DESK WITH ME. BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WOULD LOOK GREAT AND IT ALSO WOULD HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, IT JUST GIVES IT THAT WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WALK THROUGH HERE AND LOOK AT THE HOMES. AND I SPENT THE MONEY JUST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET THAT HOUSE THAT A LITTLE BIT ER LOOK, AND IT, IT, IT JUST, THOSE DOORS JUST SEEM LIKE THAT, LIKE A VERY CLASSIC, UH, VERY, UH, UM, BEAUTIFUL DOORS. I WOULD JUST THINK THAT THEY WOULD GO PERFECT WITH A HOME. UM, LIKE I SAID, MY LATE FATHER WOULD VERY ON THIS HOUSE. MR. I, I WOULD SUPPORT REPLACEMENT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S AGAINST THE GUIDELINES UH, MY QUESTION ON, YOU SAID YOU HAD PAID FOR THE DOORS AND YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE MADE, UH, BECAUSE I, UM, WAS WONDERING, IS THERE STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE, UH, MAYBE FIND LIKE, OR MAYBE IF WE GO FROM AN INFORMAL MEETING TO MAYBE DIFFER A LITTLE BIT ON THE DESIGN SO IT'S MORE IN PLACE WITH, UH, I THINK ON THE STAFF COMMENTS THERE WAS LIKE, YOU, YOUR HOUSE IS IN BETWEEN MID-CENTURY COLONIAL REVIVAL AND, [01:15:01] UM, I GUESS THE SHUTTERS MAKE A COLONIAL REVIVAL, THE WINDOWS OR MID-CENTURY. UM, AND IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT DOOR DESIGN COULD BE MORE, OR MAYBE LIKE YOU CAN MAYBE COME BACK WITH A FINAL DESIGN, LIKE WE APPROVE A REPLACEMENT AND JUST A FINAL DESIGN PENDING. MAY YOU SHOWING US THE EXAMPLES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALREADY EXIST IN ORDER TO WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING, JUST BECAUSE IT'S SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT, IT IS NOT WHAT IS COMMON FOR HISTORIC HOME. IS THAT AN OPTION? NO. WELL, NO, I ACTUALLY, I PAID 8,000 IN THE DOORS. UM, THEY WERE MADE OVER A WEEK, SIX, ALMOST OVER A SIX WEEK PERIOD OF TIME. AND THE DIMENSIONS AND EVERYTHING WERE CUT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE HOUSE. SO, I MEAN, I COULD GO BACK AND BUY AND I CAN GET A NEW SET OF DOORS, BUT I JUST HAD TO PAY ANOTHER MAYBE EIGHT TO $10,000 FOR 'EM. UM, BUT I, I, I, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'VE ALREADY, THESE DOORS ARE CUSTOM FOR THE HOUSE. THIS IS RICHARD VELASQUEZ. I, I'D LIKE TO, TO KIND OF WEIGH IN, BUT, UH, I WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE RATIONALE, IT, I I I WAS JUST CAUTION US ABOUT WHAT'S THE GUIDELINE AND WHAT'S NOT GUIDELINE. UM-HUH. BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT IS KIND OF IRRELEVANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IF IT'S RELEVANT THEN, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT USING THAT AS A CONSIDERATION, RIGHT. WHICH IS YES, BUT THERE IS NO CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? IT IS JUST THAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THE REALITY IS, I MEAN, YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THE DOCKET, RIGHT? WE COULD HAVE THAT ATTITUDE WITH EVERYTHING. AND I MEAN, IT JUST MAKES IT JUST TO, TO ME, IT, IT IS A, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE FEELING OF THE, THE, THE EMOTION OF THE, OF THE COMMENT. BUT, UM, I, I THINK THE RATIONALE REALLY NEEDS TO REMAIN ARCHITECTURAL PERIOD. NOW, UM, I I I, I WANNA JUST KINDA TELL YOU THAT THE, THE HOUSE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE HOUSE, UM, THE, LET'S SAY THE FACADE AS A WHOLE, IT'S NOT ONLY A, A REPRESENTATION OF A PARTICULAR PERIOD OF ARCHITECTURE, BUT IT'S ALSO A REPRESENTATION OF THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT PERIOD IN, IN THAT STYLE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AND THE QUALITY OF THE ALUMINUM, YOU, YOU CAN ONLY, UM, IT, IT'S ONLY BEGGING TO BE UPDATED BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY INFERIOR MATERIALS AT THAT TIME. AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT PRESERVING INFERIOR MATERIALS IS WE NEED ANYBODY ANY HELP EITHER, RIGHT? UM, SO THE DOORS ALMOST TALK TO THE WINDOWS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DOORS, THE DOORS ARE REALLY NOT, IT IS ALMOST LIKE THE BEGINNING OF, OF A STOCK MATERIAL COMING OUT. YEAH. RIGHT? SO THE DOORS ARE, YEAH, STOCK DOORS, REALLY, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT KNOB, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY ABOUT 'EM. RIGHT. REALLY THE DOORKNOB AND YEAH. AND THE DOOR HANDLE, AND EVEN THE DISTANCE FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE BOLT, THE DEADBOLT TO THE KNOB. OF COURSE, THE KNOB IS TRYING TO BE A DESIGNED KNOB, UH, BUT THE BOLT IS THE STOCK BOLT AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE NO TO THE BOLT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THEY'RE NOT RELATED THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD'VE BEEN RIGHT. IN THE PAST. AND THEN THE, THE KIND OF INTRUSION OF THIS, UH, IRON DOOR THAT, THAT REALLY IS, IS, UH, KIND OF A, NOT ONLY IS IT DANGEROUS, BUT IT'S, BUT, BUT IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S SUCH AN INTRUSION TO THE HOUSE, KIND OF SLAPS THE HOUSE AND, AND SAYS, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE DORM, UH, IS ABOUT THAT, THAT IRON DOOR IS SAYING, I NEED TO KEEP PEOPLE OUTTA HERE. RIGHT? SO IT SENDS ANOTHER MESSAGE THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OPEN AIR, THE OPEN EXACTLY. EXPERIENCE. RIGHT. SO IT MEANS THAT THAT HAPPENS RIGHT IN THE HEAD, THOSE DOORS. IT'S THE GLASS IN THE MIDDLE OF 'EM. IT JUST COMPLIMENTS MY WINDOWS. IT, I MEAN, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. LIKE FOR MR. JUSTIN RODRIGUEZ TOLD ME, HE GOES, MAN, THE DOORS THAT YOU WANT ARE BEAUTIFUL. I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULDN'T BE APPROVED I TO THE MIRROR. I MEAN, I, I I, I, I, I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST LIKE, I DON'T SEE HOW THESE DOORS WOULDN'T BE APPROVED. BUT THE THING IS, IS LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE HOUSE NEEDS THEM TO COMPLETE THAT FRONT OF THE FRONT END, THE FRONT OF IT. IT JUST, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. LET, LET ME JUST, UH, UH, UH, UH, JUST KIND OF SEND A, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME, SOME TO, TO THE EARS OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THE HOUSE RIGHT, IS CLEARLY ASKING FOR SOMETHING, RIGHT? YEAH. AND I'M SURE IT CAN GO TO A COMMISSION, AND THE COMMISSION CAN COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE [01:20:01] CAN DESIGN THE DOOR FOR THE CLIENT, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. YEAH. THE, THE DOORS, THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, TO ME, THEY REPRESENT, IT'S DEFINITELY A CHANGE, BUT THEY'RE NOT AN INTRUSION LIKE THAT IRON GATE IS. THEY, THEY, THEY DO ASK THE HOUSE TO, TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WHILE NOT CHANGING. UH, IT, IT DOES GAIN A CONTEMPORARY, UM, UM, ALTERATION THAT IT, THAT, THAT MAY BE, UH, A GOOD, UM, ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW, IT MAY OPEN A CAT OF WORMS, RIGHT? EVERYBODY THEN WANTS A DOOR LIKE THAT. BUT, BUT WE DO THINGS ON A CASE BY CASE. SO I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT I'M WILLING TO, UH, UM, LOOK AT THE, UH, GUIDELINES DIFFERENTLY. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE GUIDELINES ARE, ARE JUST THAT THEY'RE GUIDELINES. AND, AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THE GUIDELINES TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION EVER WHEN A HOUSE IS THE TAIL END OF AN ERA WHERE NEARLY INFERIOR MATERIALS, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THE 1950S AND 1960S, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF THE 1940S, WHERE YOU'RE SINGLE PANE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT SWEAT, YOU KNOW, A, A, A DOOR THAT WOULD END UP BEING THE DOOR THAT THEY STILL SELLING AT HOME PEOPLE. UM, SO I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF PROVING, UH, THIS, UH, UH, PARTICULAR ALTERATION THAT, THAT IS ABOUT FENESTRATION AND NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THE, THE, THE POETICS OF THE HOUSE. 'CAUSE I'M NOT, I'M NOT CLEAR THAT IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT ERA IS AS A WHOLE. OKAY. I'M SORRY FOR THE LONG COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN. FETZER, WE HAVE PROS AND CONS COMMENTS ON THIS. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? COMMISSIONER? UH, SORRY. MR. CHAIRMAN, RAY, I, UH, DO MOTION? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP, I, UM, MOVE TO APPROVE AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. YEAH, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS STATED A GOOD CASE FOR US TO, UM, APPROVE THIS REPLACEMENT. I'LL SECOND IT. QUE THIS IS CHAIRMAN FESTER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. NAY. COMMISSIONER FISH? NAY. COMMISSIONER DIBBS NAY. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES. COMMISSIONER AYE. COMMISSIONER NAY? COMMISSIONER A. COMMISSIONER NAYYY AND COMMISSIONER NAYYY MOTION, THE MOTION. MOTION FAILS. UM, ANOTHER MOTION COULD BE MADE AT THIS TIME. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, I, I MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN A D R C MEETING SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, MORE CURRENT, UH, IMAGES OF THE HOUSE AS A WHOLE IN, IN LIEU OF A, OF A SITE VISIT. UM, AND WE SCHEDULE A D R C WITH ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHY, KIND OF A, A A, A GREATER VIEW OF THE HOUSE TO, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS APPROPRIATE, UH, AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER. AND, UH, I I MOVE TO CENTRAL D R C, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I SECOND THAT MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN FETZER, WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO SEND THIS TO D R C ON A SECOND. UH, WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE, UH, POSSIBLY SOME PHOTOS OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO, TO SHOW WHAT MORE OF THE CONTEXT IS? YES, WE CAN DO THAT. YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. PERMISSION? AYE. COMMISSIONER [01:25:02] VELAZQUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER OLA? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FLETCHER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER UR AYE. MOTION CARRIES SO MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. I'LL BE SAFE. THANK YOU. [20-2874 Address/Description: 810/814/816 N OLIVE ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-105 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Stephen Green/GREEN STEPHEN T Request: Re-issue of a Certificate of Appropriateness for new construction City Council Dist.: 2] UM, ITEM NUMBER 34 8 1 4 NORTH OLIVE, EDWARD, WILL WE READY TO MOVE ON WITH THAT? HEAR APPLICANT COME? YES, I HEARING THE APPLICANT FROM THE LINE, I'LL GO AHEAD. AGENDA ITEM 34 H D R C, CASE NUMBER TWENTY TWENTY ONE ZERO FIVE EIGHT TEN EIGHT FOURTEEN AND EIGHT 16 NORTH OLIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A ONE TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT EIGHT 16 NORTH OLIVE, FORMERLY ADDRESSED AS EIGHT 10 NORTH OLIVE TO CONSTRUCT THREE, TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT EIGHT 14 NORTH OLIVE. FORMERLY ADDRESSED IS EIGHT 10 NORTH OLIVE AND THREE, INSTRUCTED A DETACHED TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FEATURING A TWO CAR GARAGE AND DWELL UNIT ON LOT AT EIGHT 16 NORTH OLIVE. I RECOMMEND THAT THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION EXTEND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 180 DAYS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED THAT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ADDRESSED IS EIGHT 16 NORTH OLIVE FEATURES A SETBACK GREATER THAN THOSE OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES TO THE APPLICANT. INSTALL WINDOWS FOR BOTH STRUCTURES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND THREE, THE PROPOSED THREE STRUCTURES, FEATURE MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT NOTED IN BINDING TWO C. UM, I THE FIRST WE WILL, UM, GIVE THE APPLICANT OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS TECHNICIAN, UM, THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. YES. UM, SIR, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, UM, FOR THE RECORD AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE. UH, YEAH, MY NAME'S STEVE GREEN. UH, I RESIDE AT 80 11 NORTH PINE STREET, WHICH IS, UH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM PROPOSED, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION. UM, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BE APPROVED AS THIS WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. UH, PREVIOUSLY NONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION FEATURES HAVE BEEN CHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. AND WE'RE JUST ASKING TO GET THIS, UH, CERTIFICATE REISSUED. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH HERE AND, UH, I, I DO RECALL REVIEWING THIS ORIGINALLY AND I GUESS I'VE BEEN HERE TOO LONG, IF I CAN REMEMBER THAT. AND THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS EXPIRED. UH, UH, I, I SUPPORT, UH, CONTINUING THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WITHOUT STIPULATIONS. UM, COMMISSIONER, SHOULD I READ THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YES, PLEASE. I'M SORRY, CORY, I GOT AHEAD OF YOU. APOLOGIZE. THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT. SO FIRST WE HAVE ASSOCIATION, UM, THERE HIS PRESERVATION IN OUR HAS REVIEWED THE ALSO THAT BY STEPHEN GREEN WITH A REISSUE OF, OF A CERTIFICATE OF A PROPERTY THAT'S FOR RECONSTRUCTION UPON REVIEWED H PART SUPPORT THE PROJECT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE COMMENTS FROM, UH, A GROUP OF, UM, GO HILL NEIGHBORHOODS OR NEIGHBORS SUBMITTED ON BEHALF, UH, OF EVELYN BROWN. UM, WE DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED. THIS PROJECT IS RUNNING TO RENEW A PRE IS RETURNING TO RENEW A PREVIOUSLY GRANTED C O A FROM 2018. WHILE THE DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT RESPOND TO THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS, IT'S BEEN BLESSED, UH, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL REQUESTS CORRUGATED METAL PANEL FOR ROOF COVERING FOR THE THREE REAR UNITS AND STAFF NOTES AS A STIPULATION THAT A STANDING SEA METAL IS MORE APPROPRIATE, INEVITABLE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE ALLEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED. CONSIDERING THE HIGH INCREASE OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OF THIS PARTIAL PROJECT, THIS OUTCOME WILL NOT CHANGE ON ITS OWN. ONCE THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS DEVELOPED, [01:30:01] THE RESULTS WILL BE OBVIOUS AND BEYOND THE CITY'S SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT THE DEVELOPER MITIGATE . UM, LASTLY, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM, UH, BUD CHURCH. UM, I AM RALPH CHURCH ADDRESSES EIGHT 15 BURNETT STREET. THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY ABUTS THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE OF BUILDING E ON THE DESIGN LINE. THIS PROJECT AS PRESENTED AS EIGHT 14 OLIVE, THE THREE BUILDINGS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY ORIGINALLY REFERRED TO AS EIGHT 10 NORTH OLIVE. AND THIS STATES SPECIFICALLY THAT IT C APPROVAL OF THE THREE STRUCTURE OF THE PROPERTY. MAJOR CONS. THIS PROJECT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POTENTIAL WATER DRAINAGE ISSUES, LARGE PORTION OF THE LOT SLOPES TO THE SOUTHEAST CULMINATES BETWEEN MINE LOT AND BUILDING ANY OUT THOSE PLANS WHILE LAND NATURALLY SHEDS SURFACE RUNOFF TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES MUST COMPENSATE FOR ANY AND ALL CHANGES TO SURFACE RUNOFF PER THE STATE OF TEXAS IN CURRENT WITH LEGISLATION FROM THE 2019 REGULAR SANCTION EFFECTIVE AS DECEMBER 31ST, 2020, TEXAS WATER CODE SECTION 11.086 OVERFLOW COST BY DIVERSION OF WATER. THE INFORMATION PROVIDED DOES NOT PROVIDE DETAIL CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS WITH OVERFLOW OF THE PROPOSED BIO RETENTION SWELL UNITS TO EVALUATE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS. IN ADDITION, BUILDING E HAS THE SMALLEST BIO SWELL WHILE HAVING THE LARGEST DRAINAGE AREA OF THE OVERALL LOT. THE FENCING AROUND THE PROPOSED HOUSES SUGGEST ONLY PERSONAL GATES, LARGER GATES WHERE EMERGENCY REMOVABLE PANELS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO ALLOW FOR LARGER NUMBERS OF FIREFIGHTERS, HOSES, AND OTHER EQUIPMENT TO BE MOVED MORE QUICKLY AND EASILY. SHOULD IT BE NEEDED. IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE HOW THESE HOUSES ADDRESS OLIVE STREET IN ANY FASHION. THERE ARE NO PATHWAYS FROM THESE HOUSES TO THE DRIVEWAY TOWARD OLIVE STREET. IN REALITY, THESE HOUSES ADDRESS A 15 FOOT ELEMENT, ALTHOUGH THE PROJECT RECEIVED FINAL APPROVAL ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. AND THIS IS A REVIEW OF THAT EARLIER, C O A C O A DRAINAGE ISSUE REMAINS A CRITICAL AND UNRESOLVED ISSUE. THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE COMMENTS. MRS. CHAIRMAN FETZER, UH, HAS THIS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR PERMITTING? YES, I'VE, UH, SUBMITTED THE, UH, SITE PLAN AND IT HAS GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, TRAFFIC REVIEWS, UH, FIRE REVIEWS, EVERYTHING, EVERY REVIEW THAT WAS NEEDED TO GET THE SITE PLANS APPROVED. CITY HAS APPROVED EVERYTHING. UH, WE ADDRESSED THE, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUE WITH A, A LID CONTROL DESIGN THAT WAS DONE BY A, UH, CONSULTANT. WE'RE DOING BILE SWELLS, CISTERNS, UH, WITH THE CALCULATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO GET THE APPROVAL THROUGH THE, UH, CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT. EVERYONE AGREED THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE, UH, ADEQUATELY. COMMISSIONER, SORRY. UM, THAT'S OKAY. SO AS COMMISSIONER GABE, SO QUESTION. SO YOU SAID THAT THE MAY HAS BEEN, UM, ADDRESSED. SO I I'M CONCERNED, I'M CONFUSED REALLY. SO IF THE NEIGHBORS ARE STATING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE, UM, HAVE YOU SHARED THESE PLANS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS SO THEY CAN BE, UM, MORE ASSURED THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A HOLLOW DRAINAGE OR IF NOT, WHY NOT? UH, YES. I SPOKE WITH, UH, UH, BUD ON THIS AND EXPLAINED TO HIM, WERE DOING SISTERS AND BOWEL SWELLS, EVERYTHING. HE SAID, OH, GOOD. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I MEAN, I HAVE PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT, UH, WE'RE BUILDING AND I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY ISSUES FOR DRAINAGE FOR THAT PROPERTY EITHER. I MEAN, I'M A HOMEOWNER ANY AREA, AND I'VE LIVED IN THE AREA FOR 50 YEARS AND I THINK THAT I HAVE ADDRESS AND GONE FAR ABOVE WHAT ANY OTHER, UM, BUILDER OR HOMEOWNERS DONE THE DRESSING, UH, RUN OFF WATER. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU'VE DONE WHAT OTHER, I MEAN MORE THAN OTHER HOMEOWNERS HAVE DONE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE CONCERNING DRAINAGE, UM, SINCE YOU MENTIONED BUD'S NAME, I'LL MENTION IT AS WELL. HE, HE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT THIS, BUT IF YOU SAID YOU COULD ADDRESS THIS WITH HIM, YET HE STILL SENT IN HIS COMMENTS CONCERNING THIS. CAN YOU HELP [01:35:01] RECONCILE THAT? WELL, I SAID WE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WHEN SCOTT DIED, MY ENGINEER, CIVIL ENGINEER WAS GETTING THE SITE PLANS APPROVED. WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WITH THE CITY THAT HAD ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, AND THEY FELT THAT WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS ADEQUATE IN ADDRESSING THAT. SO JUST BECAUSE BUD HAS A CONCERN ABOUT IT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT AS WELL. AND I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE ADEQUATELY. IF, IF THE CITY HAS APPROVED OUR PLANS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE GOT THE, THE BIO RETENTION PLANS AND THE CISTERNS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT'S BEEN APPROVED, UH, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, REITERATE THAT THIS CERTIFICATE WAS ALREADY APPROVED AND SINCE THE CITY PLANNING, UH, DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALL APPROVED IT ALL, THEY'RE WAITING FOR US TO DO GET THE CERTIFICATE. THEY DIDN'T. UH, AND THIS IS VELASQUEZ, UM, COREY, I, I THINK, UH, I'M LOOKING AT, AT THE SITE FROM GOOGLE. UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S PART OF THE PRESENTATION, UH, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT IMAGE JUST IN, IN, IN HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE DATA THAT IS BEING, UH, PRESENTED IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. THE REASON WHY THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN PULL THAT, THAT SITE PLATINUM PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT IF IT IS, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT NOW. OKAY. YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL AREA, THIS IS AN EMPTY LOT THAT OBVIOUSLY IS PLATTED BETWEEN A DENSE LEAK, UH, CONSTRUCTED AREA, WHATEVER CONCERNS THERE ARE, UH, THEY'RE KINDA INHERENT IN SIGHT. UH, BUT, UH, IT, IT SEEMS THAT TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT WOULD BE GOING DOWNHILL IN EITHER, IN EITHER SITUATION. SO, SO THE DENSITY ON EITHER SIDE CREATES A, LIKE, UH, SITUATION FOR I GUESS EVERYBODY DOWNSTREAM. UM, THE, UH, THE, THE VERY EDUCATED COMMENTS, UH, THAT WERE, UH, PRESENTED AS, AS COMMENTS, I THINK KIND OF SECOND GUESS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT THEY'VE ADEQUATELY COVERED FIRE AND DRAINAGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS AT, UH, SO IT'S AT SOME POINT, I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, UH, OUR, UM, UH, JURISDICTION OR, OR OR OBLIGATION IS HERE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE IDEA THAT THAT H C R C HAS ALREADY, UH, GIVEN A, A CERTIFICATE OF A OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, AND THAT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THAT, THAT, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS, IF THEY'RE SATISFYING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THEN THAT WOULD BE THAT THEY'RE MEETING CODE. UM, THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT'S, IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT, IT, IT, IT BECOMES A, A VERY, VERY COMPLICATED, UM, UM, OVERSIGHT ON THE PART OF THE H T R C TO BE SECOND GUESSING THE ENGINEERING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN, UH, PRESENTED TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WE CAN ONLY TRUST THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE. RIGHT. UM, SO IT SEEMS THAT THIS PROJECT WAS ALREADY GIVEN ITS APPROVALS, A LOT OF WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BECAUSE THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S ALREADY DONE AND THERE'S JUST A LAPSE IN A DECISION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE. I THINK THAT THAT, UH, IT'S PROBABLY RIGHT AND, AND VERY JUSTIFIED THAT, THAT WE, UH, UH, APPROVE, UH, AN EXTENSION OF THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE EXTENS OF THE CERTIFICATE OF PURPOSENESS AS REQUESTED. I SECOND, WE HAVE AN MOTION, A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. DOES THAT INCLUDE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? I, I TEND TO CON CONCUR WITH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER FROM, UH, FROM, UH, DISTRICT THREE THAT, UH, THE TRAPS HAVE ALREADY PROBABLY RUN ON THIS ONE. NOT WHY THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE IN THERE. IF I, COMMISSIONER AREOLA, IF I COULD ADD COMMENT TOO. I, I JUST WANNA GO ON THE RECORD THAT I DO GET UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT BLOOD MITIGATION OR PARKING SPACES OR, OR THINGS THAT I, I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE ARE IN OUR PURVIEW. [01:40:03] OKAY. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL. HAVE A ROLL CALL. PLEASE JUST CLARIFY. THAT WAS WITH STIPULATION OR NOT. I COULDN'T HEAR. WELL ON THE, IT WAS WITH, WITHOUT THE STIPULATIONS. WITHOUT THE STIPULATIONS. SO THE MOTION SECOND IS JUST FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 180 DAYS. THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. COREY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. ALL THE ORIGINAL STIPULATIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REMAIN IN EFFECT, CORRECT? CORRECT. AS A REISSUE, IT WOULD SIMPLY BE, UH, UH, PUTTING A NEW DATE ON THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUING CERTIFICATE. SO ANY STIPULATIONS INCLUDED IN THAT APPROVAL CONTINUE TO APPLY. THANK YOU, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN. PROFESSOR, MAY WE HAVE A, UH, ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. COMMISSIONER QUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER ROUE? AYE. COMMISSIONER FETZER AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LA AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM 5, 5 33 [20-2963 Address/Description: 533 E CARSON HDRC Case No.: 2020-122 Historic District Name: Government Hill Applicant: Mary Jo Vargas/VARGAS MARY JOSEPHINE Request: Siding and window replacement City Council Dist.: 2] EAST CARSON. UM, WHO DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT READY? WE UNMUTE. WE OKAY, WE ARE YOU THERE? AGENDA ITEM? YES. AGENDA ITEM 35, CASE NUMBER 20 21 22 AT 5 33 EAST CARSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE ONE 17 WOOD LEFT SIDING ON THE ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH WITH SMOOTH HARD SIDING. TWO, REPLACE THE 1 0 5 WOOD LATCH SIDING ON THE REAR ADDITION WITH SMOOTH HARD SIDING. THREE, INSTALL SMOOTH HARD SIDING WHERE ORIGINAL SIDING HAD BEEN MISSING FROM FIRE DAMAGE. THE MONTHLY WALL PLANE ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WHERE THERE'S INTACT WOOD SIDING IS TO REMAIN. FOUR. REPLACE THE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE NON-ORIGINAL PORTION CLOSURE AND REAR ADDITION WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS AND FIVE TO INSTALL NEW WOOD WINDOWS WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW HAS BEEN MISSING AFTER FIRE DAMAGE, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE MONTHLY WALL PLANE. ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, TWO, AND THREE BASED ON FINDING C. ALL EXISTING WOOD SIDING SHOULD BE RESTORED IN PLACE AND ANY COMPLETELY MISSING OR FIRE DAMAGE AREA SHOULD FEATURE WOOD LAP SIDING THAT MATCHES THE HISTORIC PROFILE RATHER THAN HARDY STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR WINDOW REPLACEMENT ON THE PORCH. ENCLOSURE AND REAR ADDITION, THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE FOUND TO BE REPAIRABLE. ALL WINDOW REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT MUST ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD RENEWAL REPLACEMENT. AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, INSTALLING A NEW WOOD WINDOW WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOW IS COMPLETELY MISSING AFTER FIRE DAMAGE. ALL WINDOW REPAIR REPLACEMENT MUST ADHERE TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT. AND THE APPLICANT MARY JO IS ON THE LINE. MARY JO, WE'LL HEAR FROM YOU AT THIS TIME. UM, WE HAVE YOUR CASE FILE, UM, YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH. IT'S 173 PAGES. SO AS YOU, UH, DISCUSS, PLEASE LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC PAGE WE NEED TO TURN TO SO WE CAN ALL BE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING. AND THEN WE DO, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, ONE, UH, COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT I'LL READ LATER ON. OKAY. UM, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE TIME FOR ME TO REVIEW MY REQUEST. UM, I WOULD START BY RESTATING MY GOALS FOR THIS REQUEST, AND THAT WAS TO PROVIDE A HEALTHY AND SAFE HOME FOR MY TENANT AND A CLEAN, AESTHETICALLY APPEALING ENERGY EFFICIEN AND IN A COST EFFECTIVE MANNER THAT ELIMINATES PATCHWORK OF THE SIDING AND IS IN KEEPING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE AIR. PROPERTY IS 7% ORIGINAL SIDING 10% WATERFALL [01:45:01] 13%, UM, ONE OF FIVE SIDING, AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS 70% ALUMINUM. AND THIS HAS AN ESTIMATED SURFACE AREA OF 1,700 SQUARE FEET. MY ORIGINAL OPTION, UH, NUMBER ONE, WAS TO REMEDIATE AND, UM, FOR AT LEAST CONSIDER THE REMEDIATION OF, UH, THE PROPERTY. AND THAT HAD COST US 34,000. THAT'S WHAT, UM, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS RECOMME. THAT IS TO REMOVE ALL OF THE ALUMINUM SIDING AND REPAIR IT WITH, UM, WITH EXISTING WOOD. BUT THAT $34,000 DOES NOT COVER THE ACTUAL POPULATION OR ANY OF THE PREP WORK OR PAINTING. SO TO DO THAT IS, IS COST PROHIBITED. UH, OPTION TWO WAS TO COMPLETELY, UH, HAVE NEW WOOD SIDING MILL, AND THAT HAD COST OF $18,800. AND AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T CONSIDER THE COST OF, UH, TEARING DOWN SIDING AND, AND DOING THE PREP WORK AND PAYING SO FORTH. I UNDERSTAND THE COLONIAL SIDING THAT I PROPOSED IS A COMPOSITE, UH, WHICH HAS CONSIDERABLY LOWER COST. AND SO IN MY REQUEST TODAY, I HAVE SPLIT OUT THE ORIGINAL WHOLESALE SIDING PLACEMENT INTO POOR SECTIONS AND HAVE AS CONSIDERATION, AM I OFF? HELLO? HELLO? YES. STILL ON. HELLO. OKAY. UM, I HAD ASKED FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, BY, BY SPLITTING UP THE SIDES, BY THE FRONT TO BACK AND THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDE, UM, SO THAT I COULD AT LEAST HAVE, UM, THOSE NON-ORIGINAL AREAS SMOKE SEALED BY REMOVING THE STUFF AND THEN INSULATING IT TO ADDRESS MY GOALS OF PROVIDING A SAFE OR MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT, UM, PROPERTY. THE COST FOR DOING THE LAP SIDING, UH, IS CONSIDERABLY LESS NOW. UH, THE LAST OPTION, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN PRICE, WOULD ONLY BE TO WE REPAIR, UH, THE FIRE DAMAGED AREA AND LEAVE THE ALUMINUM SIDING AS WELL AS THE 1 0 5, UH, AND WATERFALL SIDING. UH, IT WOULDN'T PERMIT ME TO DO ANY OF THE SMOKE INHALATION OR THE SMOKE DAMAGE, UH, AREAS, UH, AND IT WOULDN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THE, UH, INSULATION, WHICH I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS FOR THIS PROPERTY. UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED, I BELIEVE THAT THE, BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, THAT I COULD INSULATE FROM THE INSIDE AND BASED ON THE WAY THIS PROP MADE, MADE IT'S DOUBLE WALLS. SO I WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE, UM, THE WALLS ON THE INSIDE AS WELL. UM, AND I WOULD PREFER NOT TO DO THAT. IF I COULD DO IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, UH, IT WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE. SO MY REQUEST HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL COST WHILE STILL MAINTAINING, UM, THE HEALTH SAFETY AND THEN THE COMPLIANCE, UM, WITH WHAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WANTS. AND I, I WILL NOTE THAT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHILE THE, THE, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT THIS NOT BE APPROVED, THEY DO STATE THAT, UM, REPLACEMENT, UH, OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING ON THE NON-ORIGINAL PORCH ENCLOSURE AND REAR EDITION WITH , THAT COST MATERIALS HAVE BEEN USED IN NON-ORIGINAL FEATURES, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN . I FEEL THAT THAT TO THE PROPERTY, THAT THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AND THAT THE CONSTANT INCURRED WITH, WITH DOING, UM, THESE CHANGES, UM, VARIES SIGNIFICANTLY. I DON'T WANNA GO THROUGH ALL THE PICTURES AND DETAILS [01:50:01] AT THIS TIME, UH, BECAUSE WE REVIEWED THEM LAST TIME AND SAID YOU HAVE JUST QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT IN REFERENCE TO THEM. UM, COMMISSIONER, WHY DON'T I GO AHEAD AND READ OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UM, OR DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, WE'LL MOVE TO THAT. UM, SO THIS CAME FROM MARLENE HOPKINS AT 6 0 1 EAST CARSON. UM, SHE SAYS, UM, I LIVE AT 6 0 1 EAST CARSON, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE STRUCTURE. I'M COMMENTING ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE 5 33 EAST CARSON PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPOSING WOULD MAKE THE STRUCTURE A NON-SUPPORT HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN OUR GOVERNMENT HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, PLEASE ACCEPT THE O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, INVOKE NO ON GRANT, YOU THE REQUESTED NON HISTORIC CHANGES. UH, WE COUNT ON YOU THE COMMISSIONERS TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. IS THAT, UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ALSO FROM ANTHONY AND DIANE JUDGE WHO E CARSON. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MARLENE, UH, DOES NOT AND HASN'T FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS IS THE ONLY COMMENT WE RECEIVED FOR THIS CASE. OKAY, COMMISSIONER HERE. UM, I WAS AT THAT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AND WE, UH, DID A SITE VISIT ON THE PROPERTY, UM, AS WELL WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, A LITTLE BIT OF A LENGTHY REPORT. SHE GAVE US ACCESS. UM, YES, THERE WAS A FIRE. UM, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THE INSIDE AND REALLY GOOD WORK. UM, THE APPLICANT IS REALLY TRYING TO GET THIS PROPERTY UP AND RUNNING AGAIN. UM, YES, WE DID LOOK AT THE NON-CONFORMING SIDING ON THE ADDITION IN THE REAR. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SIDING, THE WOOD SIDING, THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE ON THE BOTTOM SECTION IS THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING. AND THAT WAS PROTECTED BY A NON-ORIGINAL, UH, ALUMINUM SIDING. AND THEN, AND WE CALLED THE PORCH. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH. UM, SOME PARTS OF THE HOUSE HAVE MORE DAMAGE THAN OTHERS. UH, SOME OF IT IS REPAIRABLE FROM THE INSIDE. I THINK. UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO IN A LITTLE BIT OF A, A DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE, UM, SHE'S BOUND TO WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND WHATEVER THEY CAME BACK WITH AS A, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATE FOR WHAT IT WOULD BE TO REPLACE OR REPAIR NON CONSIDERING A HISTORIC GUIDELINES. THIS IS A HOME CORNER, UM, BEAUTIFUL HOME. UM, AND LIKE I SAID, SHE'S DOING A LOT OF WORK INSIDE. UM, I THINK THAT WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE WINDOWS, AND I THINK THE MAIN POINT OF DISCUSSION OF THIS, UH, THIS CASE IS REALLY SIDING AND REPLACING IN KIND VERSUS THE MATERIAL THAT THE APPLICANT IS, UM, IS, IS PROPOSING. WE DID LOOK AT THE, UH, THE PROPOSED SIGHTING. I MEAN, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT IN SIZE AND EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN EXAMPLE ON THE SLIDE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE COME HERE BECAUSE THIS CASE, THE GUIDELINES, I MEAN, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO APPROVE THIS AND WE'RE HERE TO DO THAT. IN THIS CASE, IF, UM, WE WERE NOT TO APPROVE THIS, WILL THIS, UH, GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SINCE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHATEVER SHE WANTS? IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY'S OFFERING HER RESOURCES. YES, OUR APPLICANTS ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL AND A DECISION BY THE, BY THIS COMMISSION, JUST TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I JUST WANNA REITERATE, SHE'S DOING ON THE INSIDE, REALLY. UM, GOOD, I MEAN, MAINTAINING ALL THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT STILL EXISTS IN THE HOME. SHE IS NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES IN WINDOW MATERIALS OR ILLUSTRATION CHANGES. UH, SHE'S JUST TRYING TO REALLY, UH, JUST MAKE SURE THAT THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, BE LIVABLE AGAIN AND SHE CAN ACTUALLY GET AN INCOME OUT OF IT. COMMISSIONER GIVES, UM, I WOULD AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER WAS ON THIS, UM, SITE VISIT AS WELL AND IS DOING EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN TO, LIKE I SAID, RESTORE THIS HOME. SO, UM, I DEFINITELY WOULD AGREE. THIS IS CHAIRMAN F FETZER. WHAT, UH, AT THE SITE VISIT, WHAT WAS THE, [01:55:01] UH, WAS THERE A CONSENSUS ON WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS REQUESTED? I REMEMBER THE ONE WITH, UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE. CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WHY I DISAGREE ON THIS ONE? UM, HYBRID THIS, THIS WAS STAFF. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION A FEW MONTHS AGO WAS TO REPLACE ALL WOOD WINDOWS IN ORDER TO MEET LEAD ABATEMENT REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, UM, AFTER SOME CONSULTATION, THE APPLICANT IS ONLY REQUESTING WINDOW REPLACEMENT ON HISTORIC, UH, PORTION CLOSURE AND THEN THE COMPLETELY MISSING WINDOW FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH STAFF IS SUPPORTING. AND WHY IS STAFF NOT SUPPORTING ITEM NUMBER FOUR? UM, IT'S ON, UH, PHOTOS AND THE SITE VISITS STAFF FINDS THAT THEY'RE REPAIRABLE AND THE APPLICANT TELLS WHERE SHE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THOSE. WAS IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A CLOSET OR SOMETHING? REMIND ME. WELL, I DID NOT TO THOSE WINDOWS AT THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE COST INCURRED AND WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY WAS NOT I TO USE THOSE, UH, FROM MY FINANCES TO REPLACE THOSE OTHER NON HISTORICAL, THOSE THAT ARE IN VERY CORE SHAPE AND SOLUTION. AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE NONCONFORMING, UM, AND NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO AND WOULD BETTER CONSTRUCTED THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT WOULD OFFER BETTER INSULATION AND WOULD OKAY. WITH THE WERE THOSE, UM, ADDITIONS THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY? SO THAT'S WHY I INSERTED THAT AND REMOVED THE BIG PICTURE WINDOW. DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? IT DOES, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE TO THIS HOME, SO I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO, UH, REPLACING THE SAME SHEET, ALSO WANTING TO REPLACE WITH SAME MATERIAL COMMISSIONER GROUP. COULD YOU, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, THE ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL ON JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. I KNOW THIS WAS A COMPLICATED CASE, WHICH IS WHAT REQUIRED THE SITE VISIT. UM, WAS THERE ANY CONSENSUS ON THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE, UH, FROM THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THE CITING? I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, FIRST IS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT TRYING TO COME UP WITH A LESSER MATERIAL, LESS HISTORIC OR NON-CONFORMING. IT IS MORE QUESTION OF ECONOMIC RESOURCES FROM THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S LEFT OF THE INSURANCE. SECOND, UM, I FEEL THE APPLICANT HAS UPGRADED A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, IT IS A FAR, IT'S VERY A FAR CASE BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS HOME DESERVES DECIDING THAT IT HAS . UM, AND I DON'T, DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER GI WILL AGREE WITH ME, BUT THAT IT A MORE WAY IT SHOULD BE PLACED WITH WHAT'S THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING IS UNFORTUNATELY THE REPLACEMENT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE REPLACEMENT IS NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. IS THERE A PICTURE SOMEWHERE IN THE FALL OF THE, I MEAN IT'S HARDY BOARD, UM, AND I MEAN IF YOU CAN SEE IT'S SMALL WOOD SIDING. SO RIGHT HAND THIS PICTURE BELOW THOSE TWO DOUBLE ON THE, ON THE PART THAT THE WINDOWS ARE COVERED UP WITH BOARDS, THAT'S WOOD SIDING THAT, YOU KNOW, GOT INTO THE FIRE. SO YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, BIG PIECES ARE MISSING DUE TO THE FIRE. I MEAN THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT, YOU KNOW, REPAIRABLE, BUT THAT SIDING WAS UNDERNEATH THIS ALUMINUM SIDING THAT THE REST OF THE HOUSE HAS. SO THEY HAVEN'T REMOVED THE ALUMINUM SIDING OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE ARE ASSUMING THAT THERE IS WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH THAT ALUMINUM THAT'S COVERED UP. SO, UM, WHERE THE APPLICANT DOESN'T SEE A, A NEED FOR REPAIR, SHE WON'T, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE SHE'S GONNA REMOVE THAT ALUMINUM MAYBE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT KIND WE TALKED ABOUT. BUT WHERE IT IS BEEN REMOVED, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND. AND I KIND OF, THAT [02:00:01] I REALLY STAND BY, SHE NEEDS TO REPLACE WITH WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. THAT'S WHAT THE REST OF THE HOUSE HAS. AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN AND BUYS THIS HOUSE IN 50 YEARS AND REMOVES ALL A, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE SIDING THAT'LL BE ON THE REST OF THE HOUSE. UH, THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A, A LITTLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PICTURE, THERE IS A, AN NON HISTORIC EDITION WHERE THEY PUT THAT HARD BOARD SIDING A HUE, NOT MORE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE FOR HER FRONT ENTRANCE, RIGHT OF THE FRONT. REMEMBER WE CUT THAT CORNER OF THE HOUSE AND SHE SHOWED US, UM, DECIDING THAT SHE WAS PLANNING ON, AND, AND, AND IT'S NOT, WE CAN'T USE THAT. I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S MORE IN THE REAR. YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSE IS BIG. IT'S ON A CORNER, VERY PROMINENT CORNER. UM, I I WOULDN'T MIND, UM, ACCEPTING THE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, BUT I HAVE A HARD TIME ACCEPTING THE, UH, THE SIDING. SO I HAVE JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THERE FOR YOU. IF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE WERE TO BE APPROVED, HOW MUCH HISTORIC MATERIAL IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING WOULD BE LOST? I DON'T REMEMBER. I CAN'T, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PARTS, I THINK STAFF WERE PPLICANT TENANT, SO THAT I, I CAN JUMP IN HERE. THIS IS STAFF. SO THE REQUEST TO REPLACE ALL OF THE HOUSE WITH, UH, HARDY IS NOT ON THE TABLE AT THIS TIME. IT IS ONLY THE, THE FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE, WHICH SAY 20%, THE REAR ADDITION, WHICH IS ANOTHER 20%, AND THEN THE MUNCIE SIDE WALL PLANE, WHICH IS MAYBE 15%. UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, IF THE ITEMS WERE APPROVED THAT WOULD, THAT, THOSE ARE THE AREAS OF, OF NEW HARDY SIDING, THE REST WOULD BE WOOD, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHETHER IT'S, UH, REPAIR OR REPLACING KIND AT ANOTHER DATE. AND FETZER QUESTION FOR THE, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS, UH, YOU PLANNING TO REMOVE ALL OF THE ALUMINUM SIDING? NO, NO, I COULD NOT WITHOUT, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT'S UNDERNEATH. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, IT WOULD SAY THOUGH ALL OF THE ALUMINUM SIDING WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE TO, TO DO WHAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS. THANK YOU. BUT AT THIS POINT I'M, I'M WILLING TO SAY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE, THE FRONT ENCLOSURE, THE BACK ENCLOSURE, AND THEN THE PART THAT'S MISSING, UH, THE HARD SIDING AND TO REPLACE THOSE WINDOWS THAT, UH, ARE NONCONFORM ARE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, I WOULD REPAIR THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND I'M REQUESTING THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ONE BURNT OUT WINDOW WITH A P APELLA ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WINDOW. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT A LATER DATE I CAN TRY AND ADDRESS THE UNDERNEATH ALUMINUM, BUT THE COST IS SUCH THAT I CANNOT DO THAT. CHAIRMAN, FETZER, AGAIN, ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, UH, ON THE BURNED PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FACING MUNCIE TO UM, HAVE, UH, REPLICA SIDING PUT IN THERE RATHER THAN ADDING THE, UH, HARDY PAN HARDY BOARD THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THE, THE FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE IN THE REAR ADDITION? I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO BUY SOMETHING OFF THE SHELF BECAUSE I EXPERIENCE AN OPINION IS THAT THAT WOULD, DOES NOT LAST VERY LONG. UH, 1 0 5 WAS PUT ON THE BACK AND IT, IT REALLY DOES NOT HAVE A VERY LONG SHELF LIFE. I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MEAL, UH, AND MILK, BUT IT JUST ISN'T WORTH THE COST. SO I, I WOULD PREFER TO, YOU KNOW, DO THE PARTY CYCLING. [02:05:11] I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CAN, WEREN'T YOU GONNA REMOVE A WINDOW ON THE, UM, ENCLOSED PORCH? I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR. WASN'T THE THERE DISCUSSION ABOUT ENCLOSING ONE OF THE WINDOWS, UH, ON THE, ON THE ENCLOSED FRONT PORCH, THAT SECOND FLOOR FRONT PORCH? I WASN'T, DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT OR IS THAT JUST NOT, UH, I THINK IT'S WHERE YOU PUT THE LAUNDRY OR THE CLOSET. OH, I, I, I ASKED, YES, I REQUESTED, UH, LING OFF ONE OF THE, AS A NONFUNCTIONING WINDOW ON THE FRONT PORCH. IT'S, UM, THE PIC PICTURE BLOW, IT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE. UM, I'M TRYING TO DESCRIBE. IT'S, IT'S IN BETWEEN THE, THE BIG SEVEN FOOT WINDOW AND IN A SMALLER WINDOW. SLIDE 1 31 REQUESTED REMOVING THAT. RIGHT. AND I HAD REQUESTED REMOVING IT. YES, THERE'S A WINDOW THERE THAT'S BEEN BOARDED UP. UH, YEAH, ON THAT PICTURE, THAT WINDOW, THAT SINGLE PICTURE, SINGLE WINDOW, I REQUESTED THAT BE REMOVED , IF I REMEMBER CORRECT. UH, Q THAT IS NOT ON THE APPLICATION IS ACCESS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CONVERT IN FROM THE INSIDE. IT COULD BE CLOSED IN FROM THE INSIDE. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UH, THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL REQUEST AS WELL, UH, TO THE STAFF'S KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS NOT REMOVED IN THE UPDATED REQUEST AT THIS TIME, UH, THE CURRENT REQUEST IS JUST REPLACING KIND WHILE KEEPING THE WINDOW OPENINGS WHERE THEY ARE. DID EVERYONE CATCH THAT? SO THE, THE WINDOW AS WE HAVE IT IS PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED WITH A MATCHING WINDOW WOULD REPLACE NO WINDOW. I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE REPLACED WITH A WINDOW. MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU WERE WANTING TO FILL IT IN THE SIDING, REMOVE THE OPENING AND PUT IT NO. RIGHT. AND I DIDN'T REALIZE I NEEDED, I, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY THIS PROCESS AND WHAT I'M DOING IN THE SENSE THAT IF I, IF I KNOWN, I COULD HAVE KEPT THAT ASPECT ON FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I WOULD'VE LEFT IT. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING I DID NOT INCLUDE IT THOUGH. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE DISCUSSED AND I, I GUESS I COULD BRING THIS BACK AT A LATER DATE TO ASK TO HAVE THOSE TWO WINDOWS REMOVED, WHICH IS WHAT MY ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS, AND JUST FILL THE SIDING. I THINK THAT THE WINDOWS ARE PROBABLY A LESSER ISSUE, UM, OF THE COMMISSION THAN THE SIDING. I THINK IT'S A HARDER DECISION. SO, UM, SHE IS, SHE HASN'T CLOSED THE BALL FROM THE INSIDE. AND WE SAW THAT JUST, I JUST KIND OF WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE CLOSING ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU ARE ALSO CLOSING A WINDOW THAT IS CORRECT. ONE ON EACH SIDE AND THEN THE WINDOW, ONE OF THE WINDOWS WOULD REMAIN THE PICTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THAT ONE WOULD BE REMOVED. AND THE COMMISSIONER FISH. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE FOLLOW UP, UH, QUESTION. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE WINDOWS, DOORS AND SIDING, UH, ARE SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT WE PRESERVE, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE, OTHER THAN THE AREAS THAT HAVE FIRE DAMAGE. THE REASON FOR REMOVING THE SIDING AND REPLACING IT WITH HARDY HAS TO DO IT THE WAY YOU WANNA INSULATE THE EXTERIOR WALLS AND THEN UPGRADE IN A MATERIAL OTHER THAN WOOD. CORRECT? CORRECT. I, I WOULD BE ABLE TO SMOKE STILL THE CAVITIES AS WELL. SO I WOULD SMOKE STILL THE CAVITIES. I WOULD PUT THE INSULATION AND THEN REMOVE THE, THE CURATED AREAS THAT AND, AND [02:10:01] AND WHY? JUST, JUST WHY CAN'T THAT BE DONE FROM THE INSIDE? WHY IS REMOVE WHOLESALE REMOVAL OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL REQUIRED TO, TO SMOOTH SAIL? THE COST OF DOING THAT IS, IS PRETTY CRAZY BECAUSE IT'S A DOUBLE WALL, UM, CAVITY. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE INSIDE WALL, WHICH HAS I GUESS FOUR BY OR SIX BY ONE INCH PANEL, BUT GO ACROSS AS WELL. IT'S NOT JUST THE, THE, IT'S NOT , IT'S, I'M NOT EXPLAINING THAT VERY WELL. IT, IT HAS TWO SOMETHING SHUT AND BY TAKING OFF THE OUTER SHELL, THEN I CAN STILL SMOKE STILL THE INSIDE OF THE . OTHERWISE I HAVE TO TAKE INSIDE OF THE WALL COMPLETELY OFF. AND THE SIDE IS LIKE, QUITE A BIT OF IT IS ALREADY DAMAGED. SO THAT HAS TO DO ANYWAY. AND Y'ALL BRING UP PHOTO 1 0 4, I BELIEVE THAT SHOWS THE INTERIOR WOOD BOARDS, UH, THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE, UH, SHEET ROCK. SO STAFF, I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AND UM, LIKE CAN WE APPROVE SOME OF THE ITEMS AND DENY SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT SHE CAN GO TO IF SHE GETS A DENY? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WE BREAK UP THE, UM, REQUEST AND THE LINE ITEMS SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE ACTION, UM, ON THEM SEPARATELY. , CAN SHE COME BACK? CAN'T HEAR ANYBODY. I, I CAN'T, CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. I JUST NOW I CAN HEAR CAN YOU WON'T HEAR ME? CAN YOU WON'T HEAR ME NOW AND I YES. DOES THE UNDERSTAND THAT, SO THAT'S A PICTURE OF THE DOUBLE SIDED WALL, SO IT'S GOT WOOD ON THE INSIDE AS WELL, AND THE SIDING IS ACTUALLY NOW TO THE OUTSIDE, UH, TO THE TWO BY FOUR. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. SO TO UH, TO INSULATE AND DO YOUR FIRE STOPPING FROM THE INSIDE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE ANY, UH, SHEET ROCK THAT'S OVER THESE, THESE BOARDS AND THEN REMOVE THESE BOARDS AND THEN DO YOUR WORK IN THE WALL CAVITY AND THEN PUT THESE BOARDS BACK. CORRECT. AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE TAKING OFF ALL THE TRIM IN THOSE CASES, THE WINDOW. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. FETZER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DOES, DOES THE APPLICANT UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT I'M MAYBE LEANING TOWARDS? AND MAYBE IF, IF THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS IT, I WOULD BE A MOTION TO, UM, IN ALL THE ITEMS, UH, REGARDING THE SIDING, BUT APPROVE THE ITEMS IN THE WINDOWS? I WOULD'VE LIKED TO INCLUDE THE, UH, THE, UM, REMOVAL OF THE WINDOWS THAT SHE REQUESTED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT UNDER REQUEST, IF POSSIBLE, UM, THAT SHE CAN THEN GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO SEE IF SHE CAN GET APPROVED PENDING REPLACEMENT DUE TO COST. IS THE APPLICANT STILL WITH US? I, I'M WISHING I DIDN'T HEAR. UH, THE QUESTION IS, UM, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE REQUEST ITEMS. WE DIVIDED THE REQUEST [02:15:01] INTO THE WINDOWS AND THE SIGNING OF SEPARATE ITEMS. AND SO, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP'S QUESTION IS YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY APPROVE SOME ITEMS BUT DENY OTHERS, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO YIELD THE DENIAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. OKAY, SO THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE DENIED. I STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. I WOULD MOVE TO, OH, SORRY. AT THE, MY ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS TO, UM, REMOVE THE ALUMINUM AND REPLACE THAT AND MY ORIGINAL REQUEST ALSO INCLUDED SOME WINDOWS. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I CANNOT DO AT ALL. I MEAN, I CANNOT APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, RIGHT? SO THERE, THE COMMISSION WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON REQUEST ITEMS AS IT'S, AS IT'S PRESENTED TODAY. UM, SO THE APPLICATION WAS REVISED AND SO YOU'LL GET AN ACTION BASED ON THE REVISED APPLICATION. UM, I UNDERSTAND, ARE WE NOT ADD A STIPULATION ABOUT THE TWO REMOVALS OF THE WINDOWS SINCE IT WAS IN HER ORIGINAL OBLIGATION? AND WE DID DISCUSS THAT AT OUR E R C COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT. UM, THEY'RE NOT FORMALLY PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL AND SO WE CAN'T TAKE ACTION. THIS I MOVE TO DENY ITEM ONE THROUGH THREE AND APPROVE ITEM FOUR AND FIVE. UM, AND, AND IT'S OPTIONAL ITEM FOUR, CORRECT? IF SHE WANTS TO GO AHEAD AND REPAIR IT AND NOT REPLACE IT, I MEAN IT'S JUST APPROVING THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. I, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATION ITEM NUMBER FOUR IN FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I SECOND THAT MOTION AND I I SHARE THE CONCERN. I I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I'D HATE TO SEE, UH, THE LIMITATIONS OF THE, UH, THE HERE NOW KEEP YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO RESTORE THE, THE STRUCTURE IN LONG TERM AND UM, IN, IN A WAY THAT IS APPARENTLY THAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE, IN INSIDE, UH, TO REHABILITATE IT. SO THAT IS WHY I WOULD, UH, DENY ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. CHAIRMAN FETZER, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND APPROVAL OF ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER EZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH. LEMME GET THAT ONE AGAIN, MR. FISH A LITTLE. OKAY, I'LL SEE. AYE HOW MENTION NO. AYE. COMMISSIONER QUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER ILLA? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER VEY? AYE. COMMISSIONER PERMISSION FLEXOR AYE. AND COMMISSIONER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER [20-2991 Address/Description: 415 WILLOW ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-149 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Eduardo Villalon/VILLALON EDUARDO L Request: Amendment of previously approved design City Council Dist.: 2] 36 4 15 WILLOW EDWARD. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE, THE, THAT YOU EDWARD, EDWARD, TRY AGAIN? YES, I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT. OKAY, PLEASE PROCEED. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 36 HT R C CASE NUMBER 20 21 49 4 15 WILLOW, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN WITH THE FOLLOWING. ONE. INSTALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS TWO, MODIFY THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FENESTRATION PATTERN TO FEATURE MODIFIED AND ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS. AND THREE, INSTALL AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED STANDING CITY METAL ROOF. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE. THE INSTALLATION OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT EITHER INSTALL WOOD WINDOWS AS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY STAFF ON MARCH 4TH, 2020, [02:20:02] OR THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFFS RECOMMENDED SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND CONSTRUCTION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE MODIFICATIONS TO FENESTRATION PATTERNS BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STATE STIPULATION THAT ALL WINDOWS ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF AN ASPHALT SHINGLED ROOF AS SUBMITTED. I WE DO HAVE COMMENTS, UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER 36 FROM THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. HISTORIC PRESERVATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY, UM, EDUARDO VILLIAN, UM, FOR A MINUTE OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN. UPON REVIEW, UH, H P ARC SUPPORTS NEW PLACEMENT OF WINDOWS, BUT PREFERS THE ORIGINAL APPROVED DESIGN COMMITTEE SUPPORTS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT NEW WINDOWS NOT BE APPROVED. THE H P ARC HAS STRONG RESERVATIONS OF APPLICANT'S CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL DURATION WITHOUT APPROVAL. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. IS THE APPLICANT, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE COMMENTS? UM, YES. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION, UH, , WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY. VERY GOOD. UM, YES, I, I APPRECIATE MR. HALL. THANKS FOR THE INTRODUCTION. UH, YES, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, I DID DEVIATE FROM THE ORIGINAL APPROVED, UH, DESIGN, UH, BACK, BACK IN, UH, LATE 2019. ACTUALLY, UH, IN RECENT FOR DOING SO IS MAINLY COST. UH, RECENTLY I'VE JUST HAD TO, UH, SOURCE SOME FINANCIAL, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH SOME FINANCIAL PROBLEMS NOW AND, AND REALLY CHANGING THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT METAL ROOF, TOAL SHALE ROOF, BUT DOWN COST TREMENDOUSLY. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DID DO MY DUE DILIGENCE. I WENT AROUND, YOU KNOW, I WENT ABOUT AROUND TWO BLOCK, UH, ESSENTIALLY RADIUS ACROSS THE, THE BOARD OR ACROSS THE, UH, DISTRICT THROUGH THERE. AND DID NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, A GREAT MAJORITY OF 'EM DID HAVE ASPHALT, SHIMA ROOF AND, UH, PARTICULARLY THAT COLOR. SO THAT WAS A, A CHANGE THAT I DID DECIDE TO MAKE BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, UH, THE SURROUNDING HOUSE AESTHETICS. AND THEN I OFFICIALLY DID THE SAME THING FOR THE, UH, THE WINDOWS. UH, I WOULD LOVE TO INSTALL WOOD WINDOWS, HOWEVER, THEY'RE, THEY ARE OUTSIDE MY BUDGET. UH, I ALSO DID SOME DUE DILIGENCE AND DID WALK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOTICED THAT, UH, UH, 20 I, ABOUT 26 OTHER HOUSES WITH TWO BLOCK RADIUS THAT EITHER, UH, VINYL OR . UH, I DIDN'T WANNA GO VINYL JUST BECAUSE I, THAT GOES FAR AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I DID GO AHEAD AND PURCHASE SOMETHING, UH, A LITTLE MORE PRICEY, UH, THAT I DID SEE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN OTHER, UH, I C R C, UH, ESPECIALLY THIS ONE. UH, THE PART, THE THIRD BULLET THERE IS I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION CHANGES. I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, UH, I'M NOT A BUILDER. YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY FIRST HOUSE. THIS IS GONNA BE MY HOME STATE. I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO FINISH THIS BEFORE THE END OF JUNE BECAUSE MY CURRENT CONTRACTS FIRED AND MY PLACE YOU LIVE. SO, UH, I'M, I'M TRYING TO DO THIS AS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. UM, UM, AND, AND, UH, UPON ERECTION OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FRAME WHERE WE NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY LITTLE SUNLIGHT. UH, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I, YOU KNOW, IN MY FIRST HOUSE, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW, UH, WHAT TO EXPECT. SO, UH, IT WAS A CHANGE THAT HAD TO OCCUR AT THE MOMENT. IT WASN'T LATE MARCH. GIVEN THE COVID PANDEMIC, I VERY INCLINED TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, APRIL WAS, UH, IT WAS GONNA BE A BAD MONTH FOR H D R C MEETING AND WAS THE POTENTIAL OF NOT, NOT MEETING AT ALL. UM, SO, UH, IT WAS REALLY IN THE CRITICAL PATH OF THE PROJECT. SO THAT WILL, IF THAT DECISION WASN'T DONE, THEN THE PROJECT WOULD'VE BEEN AT A LANDFILL FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF, AND THAT'S ONE THING I COULDN'T AVOID. AND THAT, THAT'S ALL I PROMISE. THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS. UH, COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. [02:25:04] SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I'M COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE, UH, THE ASPHALT SHALE ROOF THAT'S, UH, AS YOU SAY, IT'S A PREVALENT, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUT OF, OUT OF CHARACTER. UM, REGARDING THE ADMINISTRATION RECONFIGURATIONS, I THINK THOSE HAVE BEEN AN IMPROVEMENT, UH, TO THE HOUSE AND, UH, STAFF SEEMS TO BE SUPPORTIVE AS WELL. SO FOR ME, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH THE, UH, THE MATERIALITY OF THE WINDOWS, UH, THAT WERE INSTALLED. AND WE TEND TO SAY FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT'S NOT THE MATERIAL. IT'S WHETHER IT MATCHES OR, OR MEETS THE, UM, THE GUIDELINES, UH, DEFER IN VARIOUS DIMENSIONS, UH, SHADOWS AND SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OBVIOUSLY, THESE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FIXED WINDOWS FOR THE MOST CASE, IF I'M CORRECT ON THAT. UM, BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE IN THIS SOAK UP CIRCUMSTANCE, UH, ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL TRIM ON THE OUTSIDE TO GIVE THAT KIND OF SENSE OF DEPTH, UH, TO THE WINDOWS THAT SHADOW LINE THAT WE, UH, OTHERWISE BE LOOKING FOR. AND CAN WE CONFIRM WHETHER THESE WINDOWS ARE ALL FIXED OR IF THERE ARE DOUBLE OR SLIDE OR, UH, SINGLE HOST YES, MR. OH, I'M SORRY. IS THAT FOR STAFF? I CAN, I CAN ANSWER. THIS IS EDWARD. UM, PAGE 11. LAUREN, IF YOU COULD, UH, JUMP TO THAT. UM, SHOWS, UH, JUST ONE OF THE PROFILES OF WINDOWS THAT IS, UH, UH, AN OPERABLE WINDOW. UM, BUT THEN ALSO IF YOU, UH, CAN GO TO, UM, UH, PAGE NUMBER NINE IS A GOOD PHOTO. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THIS MAY, UH, ADDRESS A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS. THIS SHOWS THE PROFILE OF THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, UH, BUT ALSO SHOWS THE, UH, THE TRIM THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN INSTALLED. UH, SO THAT MAY DISCUSS OR, UH, DIRECT YOUR THOUGHTS OR THE CONVERSATION TOWARD, UH, YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENT. THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER ON THIS PHOTO NINE. IS, UM, ARE ALL OF THESE WINDOWS FIXED OR ARE THEY, UH, SINGLE HUNG? IT'S HARD TO TELL WITH THE SHADOWS. IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH. SOME ARE FIXED AND SOME ARE SINGLE. HUNG COMMISSIONER, JUST, IF I MAY, I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF YOU SEE THE, I GUESS, THE, UH, TYPICAL CROSS SECTION OF THE HOUSE, THE SECOND STORY IS ACTUALLY NOT A SECOND STORY, THREE AND A HALF STORY, UH, UH, HOME, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT UNIQUE. UH, SO, SO THERE'S, UH, WE FIGURED THIS WAS, UH, THE, BASICALLY THE TOP WINDOWS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FIXED, THAT ARE ON THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, 16 PLUS FOOT STORY HIGH, UH, UH, FINISH AND, AND EST REASON THAT'S WHY THEY WERE LEFT, UH, UH, FIXED. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE REASONING BEHIND IT. UH, MOST OF IT NOT ON THE FIRST STORY ARE ONE OVER, ONE SINGLE HUNG WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE TWO THAT WERE JUST IN, UH, IN THAT IMAGE. UM, AND, AND TO RELATE BACK TO MR. CARPENTER'S COMMENT, UH, I CAN ABSOLUTELY ADD, UH, A PICKER, UH, I GUESS FLASHING, UH, AROUND THE WINDOWS TO GIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, TWO PLUS THREE PLUS INCH, UH, DEPTH PERCEPTION. I, THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT A PROBLEM. SO, AS CHAIRMAN FETZER, AGAIN, UH, IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE APPROVED, UH, ALL WOOD WINDOWS AND WE'VE APPROVED ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. UH, I BELIEVE WE'VE REFRAMED FROM, UH, APPROVING, UH, ALL ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN, IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, DO YOUR PERMISSION FA HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YOU USUALLY, I'M, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT TORN ON THOSE, ESPECIALLY AT THE FRONT WINDOWS. [02:30:04] I, I'M REALLY FIGHTING THE MICROPHONE. I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S COMING ON AND OFF. UH, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ON ITEMS TWO AND THREE. THE ROOF IS FINE. THE CHANGES IN THE FENESTRATION I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, BUT THE WINDOW, THE, THE CHANGE IN THE WINDOW, I THINK THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE NOT RECESSED INTO THE WALL APPROPRIATELY. THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY'RE NOT DIVIDED VERTICALLY. THEY'RE, UH, ONE OF THE TWOS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT CAN BE FIXED WITH OVER TRIM IN THIS CONDITION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE INPUT. UH, BUT MAY I STATE THAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVAL WAS FOR ONE OVER ONE AND ANOTHER TWO OVER ONE, IT MAY NOT MATTER. I'M, I'M SORRY. THE, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL ON THE UPPER, ON THE UPPER LEVEL, WE SAW THE MEETING RAIL IN MIDDLE. SO ALL OF THESE FIXED WINDOWS, I THINK ARE THE DRAWINGS. THOSE WEREN'T FIXED FACING THE FRONT, IS THAT CORRECT? I MIGHT BE CONFUSED ON THE DRAWINGS. COULD WE LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION ON THE DRAWINGS? NONE OF THOSE BEST I CAN TELL ARE OUR STANDARDS AND THE DRAWINGS DON'T SHOW THAT THOSE WOULD BE, UH, SINGLE PAYING FIXED. THIS IS COMMISSIONER LAO. UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH. I THINK WE'RE SEEING WAY TOO MANY APPLICANTS GET APPROVAL FOR CERTAIN MATERIALS AND CERTAIN WINDOWS AND THEN JUST ARBITRARILY SUBSTITUTE OTHER WINDOWS WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THESE WINDOWS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. I, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND I, AND I, I DO WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE, UH, APPLICANT'S, UH, COMMENTS THAT THERE'S BEEN DELAYS IN A LOT OF THINGS, NOT JUST H G R C, BUT UH, THE WORLD IN GENERAL. AND HE, YOU KNOW, HE, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS KIND OF GOT SUCKED UP INTO IT, PROBABLY HAS A TIMELINE AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD EXCUSE TOO, RIGHT? UM, I WOULD SUPPORT IT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE. UH, IT'S A NICE DESIGN AND, UH, VERY REVEALING THE IMAGES OF TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE, THE, UH, THE EFFORTS TO CREATE A SHADOW LINE. I THINK A COULD ADD A, ANOTHER PIECE OF, UH, VOCABULARY OR CONSIDERATION IN THE FUTURE. SO I, I WOULD SUPPORT IT. OKAY. TO STAFF, THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. UH, TO CLARIFY, THIS WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT THE SAME OPPORTUNITY IF WE WERE TO APPROVE SOME OF THE ITEMS AND THAT, UM, AND THE ITEM OF THE WINDOWS, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, YES. MM-HMM. , AND I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS APPROVAL OF TWO OUTTA THE THREE. UM, SO THE THIRD ITEM, IT, IT WAS NOT APPROVED, COULD BE APPEALED. LET ME SEE IF THERE'S GROUND FOR, UH, COMMON GROUND HERE. THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN. UM, AND I PARTICULARLY ARE, UM, PARTICULARLY ANY UPON, UH, MR. VES COMMENTS ABOUT THE FRONT WINDOWS. IS THERE A COMPROMISE HERE WHERE THOSE FRONT WINDOWS COULD BE REPLACED WITH SOMETHING MORE APPROPRIATE AND STILL MEET YOUR TIMELINE? THIS IS A QUESTION TO THE, TO THE, UH, APPLICANT. DO YOU, YOU, I'M SORRY. YEAH, A QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, YOU, YOU ARTICULATED THAT YOU ARE, UH, YOU HAVE QUITE A, A CHALLENGING TIMELINE AHEAD OF YOU HERE. UM, IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPLACE THOSE SIX WINDOWS THAT ARE FRONT FACING AND, UH, ADD ADDITIONAL TRIM TO THE BACK, UH, TO THE SIDE WINDOWS AND ELSEWHERE WHERE THAT THEY'RE NOT ON THE PRIMARY F SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND STILL MAKE YOUR TIMELINE? UH, YES. MR. CARPENTER, I, UH, YOU WERE COMING IN AND OUT, BUT [02:35:01] I, UH, I THINK I HEARD THE SECOND HALF OF YOUR QUESTION WAS I COULD ADD, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS TO, TO TAKE THAT PERCEPTION. IS THAT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS? THAT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AND I'LL SLOW DOWN MY SPEECH PATTERNS. I THINK THAT WILL BE, OR A DELAY HERE. UM, THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMPROMISE HERE WHERE YOU REPLACE THE FRONT FACING WINDOWS WITH SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE GUIDELINES AND YOU ADDED A TRIM FOR THE SIDES AND BACK THOSE THAT ARE NOT ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION AND STILL MEET YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR TIMELINE AND YOUR BUDGET CONSTRAINTS? UM, I, I, I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER YES TO THAT QUESTION, MR. CARPENTER. BUT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, THE SCHEDULE AND, AND THE BUDGET ARE, ARE, ARE, UH, CONFLICTING WITH THAT, WITH THAT QUESTION. BUT, UH, CAPTURE YOUR SECOND QUESTION, UH, CAPTURE YOUR FIRST QUESTION. UM, I, I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN, I MEAN THE, THE, UH, THE THOUGHT ABOUT GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IS, IS A GOOD ONE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A TIME WHEN HE, THAT'S GONNA BE A LENGTHY PROCESS AS WELL. UM, SO I'M TRYING TO FIND ONE THAT HE CAN ACT UP ON TOMORROW RATHER THAN HAVE TO WAIT FOR A HEARING HOWEVER MANY WEEKS FROM NOW. YES, MR. AND I HAVE DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF OPTIONS WITH MY CONTRACTOR. I BELIEVE THERE'S A, THERE'S A FAUX TRIM, OR NOT A BOW TRIM, BUT A FULL SEPARATION THAT YOU COULD ADD TO SOME OF THESE WINDOWS TO GIVE IT THE, UH, UH, I GUESS THE, THE, THE LOOK OF IT BEING ON A ONE OVER ONE. UH, THAT MAY HELP. I MEAN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, UH, A COMPROMISE THAT I'D BE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF, OF EXTREMELY OUT THERE. SURE. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AGAIN. I, I WOULD THINK I WOULD WANNA SEE THAT BEFORE I WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS, AS THE BASIS TO COMPROMISE. SO, UM, AT THE, UH, RISK OF, UM, OF SETTING THE APPLICANT, I THINK I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, AND SAY, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE FIRST ITEM AND APPROVAL FOR ITEM TWO. AGREE BY SECOND. THIS IS CHAIRMAN. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. AYE. COMMISSIONER QUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER ? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER ? AYE COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT. UM, EDWARD WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU. UM, THE NEXT CASE IS ITEM 37 17 [20-2907 Address/Description: 1017 N PALMETTO HDRC Case No.: 2020-094 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: GUIZAR AUTO CENTER LLC & GUIZAR BUILDING LLC Request: Roof replacement City Council Dist.: 2] NORTH PALMETTO. WE DO YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? WE UNMUTE WE ARE YOU THERE? YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. ITEM NUMBER 37, CASE NUMBER 20 20 0 9 4 AT 10 17 NORTH PALM MEADOW, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH COMPOSITION SHINGLES. STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF CHANGING ROOF MATERIALS BASED ON FINDING C AND C IN KIND REPLACEMENT OF STANDING. SEA METAL ROOFS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH A STANDARD SPECIFICATION. FRANCISCO, ARE YOU STILL THERE? FRANCISCO, ARE YOU STILL THERE? YES, I AM. ALRIGHT. AT THIS TIME, UH, FRANCISCO, YOU CAN SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS DIRECTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING MY CASE. UM, IT'S JUST ABOUT REPLACING A ROOF ON MY HOUSE AT 10 17 NORTH PALMERO. IT CURRENTLY, IT CURRENTLY HAS A METAL ROOF AND I WANTED TO, UH, REPLACE IT FOR A SHINGLE, SAY U THREE DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE. THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHAT IT ALL IS ABOUT. [02:40:09] UH, THIS IS QUE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR FRANCISCO. UH, FRANCISCO, WHY, WHY DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT ROOF TO SHINGLES? OKAY, THE REASON WHY IT, IT, UH, WAY, WAY MORE, UM, THE, THE MAIN ROOF IS WAY MORE COMPLICATED AND AND EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE. IS IT LEAKING? NO, IT IS NOT LEAKING. IT, IT'S CRAWLING AND IT IS VERY GOOD CONDITION. UH, IT HAS BEEN TREATED, BUT IT HAS HAIL DAMAGE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UM, IF A METAL ROOF IS NOT LEAKING, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DON'T TOUCH IT. UH, HAIL DAMAGE ON A METAL ROOF DOES NOT, UH, AFFECT THE, UH, WATERPROOF INTEGRITY OF IT. UH, AND IF IT'S NOT LEAKING, I, I WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS. OH, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND DO YOU THINK IT, IT IT'S AFFECTING THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY, ? ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAVING THE, UH, ORIGINAL METAL ROOF IN GOOD CONDITION ON HISTORIC HOUSE ACTUALLY ADDS TO ITS VALUE. I WOULD, UH, SURMISE. OKAY, WELL THAT PUT, THAT, PUT ALL THIS IN A VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FROM MY SIDE. SO, UH, YEAH, MAYBE I CAN, UH, I CAN JUST LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS BECAUSE IT, IT, AS I SAID, IT IS NOT LEAKING. IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT, IT'S GOT HAIL DAMAGE. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I GOING TO REPLACE IT. UM, BUT IF IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE VALUE AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, I CAN GIVE IT. YEAH. SO I WOULD SAY IF, IF, UH, THE HAIL DAMAGE HASN'T CAUSED ANY LEAKS AND THE THE ROOF SYSTEM IS UH, WATERTIGHT, UM, I WOULD THINK WE'D WANNA, UH, MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE. OH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, UH, OKAY. AND NOW IF I WANNA REPLACE THE ROOF FOR A MALE ONE, DO I HAVE TO COME WITH YOU GUYS? OR I CAN JUST GO SPRAY AND ASK FOR THE PERMIT AT THE CITY? I MEAN, JUST FOR AESTHETIC THING BECAUSE, UH, IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, DAMAGE MACHINE DOESN'T LOOK PRETTY. RIGHT. SO IF YOU GO TO REPLACE MAIL, AGAIN, I, I DON'T NEED TO HAVE THIS HERE, RIGHT? I JUST GO AND ASK FOR THE PERMIT TO THE CITY. CORRECT. UM, STAFF CAN ISSUE THAT APPROVAL. THERE ARE SOME, UM, STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS THAT WILL PROVIDE, THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO THE CONTRACTOR, BUT THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET. UM, BUT THAT IS NOT REQUIRING ANOTHER HEARING. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. NOW THE NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, IF I, IF I STILL WISH TO REPLACE IT FOR SHINGLES, WILL I GET APPROVED? I'M NOT SAYING I'M GONNA DO IT BECAUSE YOU, YOU GAVE ME, UH, A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE NOW, BUT JUST IN CASE I COME TO THE IDEA, UH, SHOULD I BE APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION? THIS COMMISSION WILL TAKE ACTION ON THAT REQUEST HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. SO YOU WILL HAVE THE OUTCOME FROM THAT IN THAT REQUEST WEST. UM, AND I CAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH HERE. I CAN JUST JUMP IN AND SAY WHENEVER WE'RE AT A REPLACEMENT OF HISTORIC MATERIAL, BECAUSE IT'S BEYOND REPAIR, THAT THAT REPLACEMENT MUST BE IN KIND, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD BE A ROOF METAL, ROOF OF SIMILAR SPECIFICATIONS OF THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REPLACING AND IT SHOULD BE REPLACED BECAUSE THE HISTORICAL, UH, HISTORICAL MATERIAL IS BEYOND REPAIR. SO I THINK, UH, STAFF COULD PROVIDE, UH, AN, AN ADMINISTRATIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A REPLACEMENT OF MATERIAL BEYOND REPAIR SO LONG AS IT MET THOSE SPECIFICATIONS. UM, SO THE SHORT ANSWER TO THAT, TO YOUR SHINGLE QUESTION IS NO, THIS, THIS HOUSE HISTORICALLY HAS A METAL ROOF. IT SHOULD HAVE A METAL ROOF. YEAH. THE SAME CONFIGURATION APPEARANCE IF IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS, WHAT IS NEXT? WELL SIR, YOU SHOULD STAY ON THE LINE. UM, WE HAVEN'T TAKEN ACTION ON THIS ITEM, SO NOW WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONS. OKAY. [02:45:01] I, I'LL BE GOOD. I, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OF METAL ROOF MEETING, UH, STAFF'S, UH, SPECIFICATIONS. SHOULD THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACING THE HILL DAMAGE ROOF. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. UH, DOES THAT MOTION WORK WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PUT IN OR DO WE NEED A DENIAL OF THE COMPOSITION SHINGLES, THE STAFF? CAN YOU JUST NOT WITHDRAW? I THAT IS ALSO AN OPTION. YES. SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I WAS TRYING TO GIVE HIM THE OPTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REPLACEMENT OF METAL, UH, AND NOT HAVE TO COME BACK. UM, BUT IF, IF YOU NEED ME TO REPHRASE THE MOTION TO INCLUDE A DENIAL OF THE THREE-DIMENSIONAL COMPOSITION SHINGLE AND APPROVAL OF, OF METAL ROOF IN KIND REPLACEMENT BEING STAFF SPECIFICATIONS, SHOULD, SHOULD HE CHOOSE TO REPLACE RATHER THAN, UH, RETAIN THE EXISTING NUMBER? I THINK ALL THAT IS NEEDED AS AN ACTION REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR COMPOSITION , I, UM, MR. CARPENTER, I, I, UM, I AGREE WITH YOUR FIRST MOTION BECAUSE IT, IT DOES SET HIM UP FOR, THE ONLY THING THAT HE'S GOING TO GET APPROVED IN THE LONG RUN IS A, IS A REPLACEMENT WITH A METAL. RIGHT. AND, AND LOOKING AT THAT ROOF, IT'S ALREADY COMPLICATED ENOUGH BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED TO DO ROOF WORK LIKE THAT OR THAT KIND OF METAL ROOF. RIGHT. THAT KIND OF BENDING SEAM BENDING. SO IT, IT, THESE SIMPLIFIES IT AND DOESN'T LEAD IT DOWN THE ROAD THINKING THAT LATER ON IS GONNA GET ASPHALT SHINGLES ON THERE. 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. I LIKE YOUR FIRST MOTION. OKAY. MY SECOND MOTION MADE A, A EXPLICIT RIGHT. MY REVISION OF THE, MY FIRST MOTION MADE IT EXPLICIT THAT, UH, ASPHALT SHINGLES WERE, UH, NOT ACCEPTABLE. I CAN YOU SECOND THAT? YEAH, I SECOND IT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? HERNANDEZ? AYE. AYE MISSIONARY KIDS? AYE. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AND COMMISSIONER LA AYE. MOTION CASE? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE APPLICANT. UM, YOU CAN HANG UP. WE WILL BEGIN CONTACT WITH YOU SHORTLY. UM, COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE ONE LAST ITEM THAT'S MEETING MINUTES [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for March 4, 2020.] FROM MARCH 4TH. MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM COMMISSIONER MEETING MARCH 4TH, 2020 SECOND. I HAVE A MO THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. EZ AYE. COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. COMMISSIONER AYE. COMMISSIONER QUEZ? AYE. COMMISSIONER? AYE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. COMMISSIONER ? AYE. AYE. . AYE. MOTION BEFORE WE ADJOURN? UM, JANET, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YES. YEAH, I JUST QUICKLY WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY AGAIN. I KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS NEW TO EVERYONE AND INCLUDING PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE STILL LISTENING TO THE LIVE STREAM OR THE CALL IN NUMBER. BUT OVERALL, I THINK IT WENT REALLY WELL. [02:50:01] EVERYONE DID A GREAT JOB. UM, YOU KNOW, NO, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF TALKING OVER PEOPLE. WE MOSTLY GOT THROUGH EVERYTHING, SO JUST THANKS TO TO EVERYONE. UM, ESPECIALLY COREY AND LAUREN PUT IN A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY INTO SCRIPTING ALL OF THIS AND MAKING SURE IT WENT SMOOTHLY. AND THE CASE MANAGERS ALL DID A GREAT JOB, UM, COMMUNICATING WELL WITH APPLICANTS AND MAKING SURE EVERYONE WAS PREPARED TO, TO DEAL WITH, PRESENT THEIR CASES IN A, IN A, IN A NEW WAY. SO, UM, AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR, FOR PUTTING IN THE WORK TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. YES. MOTION TO ADJOURN. OH, GO AHEAD. UH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AGAIN. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. UH, WHEN IS THE NEXT H D R C MEETING? LIKE THIS? UM, TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR MAY 20TH, WHICH IS THE REGULAR, REGULAR, REGULAR SCHEDULE. WE ADJOURN. I HAVE A MOTION TO, I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. . THANK YOU. AYE, THAT WORKS. THANK YOU EVERYONE. I. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.