* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.
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          OKAY, WE ARE LIVE. 
          JOHN OR JEFF, DO YOU WANNA KICK THIS OFF? YES. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 20TH, 2020. 
          I 
          [Roll Call]
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          HERE. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          HERE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          COMMISSIONER ALA. 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER . 
          HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN. 
          HERE. 
          CHAIRMAN ER HERE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER LA HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO LET'S BEGIN A MEETING, UM, WITH A MESSAGE FROM OUR TRANSLATORS WHO ARE ON THE LINE. 
          I, HE'S COMING TO ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CHAIRMAN PENZER. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN 
          [Chairman's Statement]
REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARK ON CITY PROPERTY IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM. 
          THEY CAN ALSO LISTEN TO THE MEETING THROUGH AUDIO ONLY BY CALLING 2 1 0 2 0 6 5 4 8 3. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS WILL NEED TO SUMMARIZE THEIR STATEMENTS AND BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR ALL THEIR COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY, BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          OFFICER, I WAS MUTED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          I'M COREY EDWARDS, DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. 
          UM, JUST A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          [Announcements]
MAY IS PRESERVATION MONTH. 
          UM, SO PRESERVATION MONTH IS RECOGNIZED NATIONALLY. 
          UM, AND IN SAN ANTONIO WE TYPICALLY HOST A NUMBER OF URBAN EVENTS DESIGNED AROUND ENGAGING OUR RESIDENTS OF OUR LOCAL HERITAGE. 
          UM, THIS YEAR HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN DIFFERENT AND OUR STAFF HAS REALLY DONE A GREAT JOB OF PIVOTING AND PROVIDING A LOT OF ONLINE CONTENT SUCH AS VIRTUAL CLASSROOMS AND WEBINARS, UM, ALL PREACHED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL EVENTS SO FAR, INCLUDING ONE THAT WAS EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, UM, THAT HAVE ALL BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, SO FOR FULL LISTING, UM, AND RECORDINGS OF THOSE EVENTS, WE ADVISE YOU TO VISIT SA PRESERVATION COM. 
          ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING THE SCHEDULE. 
          UM, WE ARE HOLDING A SPECIAL HEARING ON FRIDAY, MAY 29TH AT 2:00 PM. 
          UM, AS WE MENTIONED AT THE LAST HEARING, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW CASES THAT ARE BACKLOGGED FROM, FROM MARCH AND APRIL. 
          SO THIS IS TO HELP US CATCH UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, THE WEBSITE WILL BE UPDATED WITH THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY OUR REGULAR HEARING ON JUNE 3RD. 
          UM, FOR ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT I'M 
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CALLING, UM, ON DR. 
          JENNY HAY. 
          SHE'S OUR STATUS, A PROGRAM MANAGER, UM, REGARDING A PROPOSED NEW HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          JENNY. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
          I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME. 
          ALL RIGHT, GREAT. 
          UM, SO LAST MONTH, UH, O H P RECEIVED A NEW APPLICATION FOR A PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE IF APPROVED. 
          THIS WOULD BE THE 32ND LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, THIS PROPOSED DISTRICT INCLUDES THREE PARCELS ON SOUTH COLORADO, AND THEY'RE ALL OWNED BY THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER, WHICH IS ALSO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, ONE OF THESE PARCELS IS ACTUALLY ALREADY DESIGNATED AS A LOCAL LANDMARK. 
          THE PROPOSED NCE TO LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, IS A VISIBLE REMINDER OF AN EARLIER ERA WHEN WORKING CLASS FAMILIES BUILT MULTIPLE SMALL HOMES ON SINGLE LOTS IN ORDER TO MAKE ENDS MEET. 
          AND THESE THREE LOTS CONTAIN MULTIPLE STRUCTURES WITH CONSTRUCTION DATES BEGINNING IN ABOUT 1906. 
          THE U D C REQUIRES THAT WE HOLD A PUBLIC INFORMATION HEARING TO PROVIDE DETAILS ON THE DESIGNATION PROCESS, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY. 
          SO TODAY I'M GOING TO PROVIDE JUST A VERY BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION AT THE END OF APRIL, AND AFTER TODAY'S PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING, O H P WILL MAIL BALLOTS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND VERIFY THEIR SUPPORT AGAIN AS REQUIRED BY THE U D C. 
          UM, SINCE ALL THREE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY THE SAME ORGANIZATION, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS STEP WILL BE COMPLETED IN THE NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, AFTER THAT SUPPORT, UH, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE 51% HAS BEEN VERIFIED, UH, O H P STAFF WILL SCHEDULE THE DESIGNATION CASE FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION BY THE ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEN FINALLY BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          SINCE THIS IS SUCH A STRAIGHTFORWARD REQUEST WITH, AGAIN, A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER FOR ALL THREE PARCELS, WE EXPECT THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS WILL MOVE VERY QUICKLY. 
          SO I LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING THIS CASE BACK TO YOU NEXT MONTH TO CONSIDER. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? GREAT. 
          [Public Comments]
OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, WE WILL BEGIN THE HEARING SHORTLY BY DISPLAYING THE CA LIST OF CASES TO BE HEARD TODAY. 
          UM, JUST AS USUAL, WE WILL HAVE CASES THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THOSE ARE CASES WHERE THE STAFF HAS EITHER RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OR THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO MEET ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDED STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, WHEN WE GET TO THAT LIST, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH ITEMS HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, AND THEY'RE INDICATED, WHICH KIND AND HOW MANY. 
          UM, FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE WILL FIRST REVIEW ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT ONCE THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR THOSE ITEMS BEFORE TAKING ACTION. 
          UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED THROUGH AN ONLINE FORM AND EMAIL. 
          WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS WHO WILL BE CALLED IN AS WELL TODAY. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR SOME ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO THOSE ARE INDICATED ON THE CASE LIST, UM, AND ALSO PROVIDED IN THE GOOGLE FOLDER, SO YOU HAVE THOSE AS A RESOURCE, UM, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE WROTE OUT LOUD. 
          UM, ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION WE WANTED TO MAKE ABOUT THE COMMENTS, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR SECOND VIRTUAL HEARING. 
          UM, PRIOR TO VIRTUAL HEARINGS BEING IN PLACE, JUST A REGULAR HEARING HERE IN PERSON, PEOPLE WOULD EITHER SIGN UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON AT THE HEARING OR THEY WOULD SEND LETTERS IN. 
          SOMETIMES NOW WHEN THEY SENT LETTERS, THOSE COPIES WOULD BE PROVIDED TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR REFERENCE. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE MOVED TO VIRTUAL MEETINGS AND NO LONGER HAD THE OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND IN PERSON, WE WANTED TO GIVE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO PROVIDE COMMENTS IN LIEU OF SPEAKING IN PERSON. 
          AND SO WE MOVED TO AN ONLINE FORM, WHICH ENSURES THAT ANY COMMENTS TO BE READ OUT LOUD OR CONSISTENT IN ERROR WOULD BE ESTABLISHED SPEAKING TIMES, WHICH IS TWO MINUTES. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS THAT REALLY PARTICIPATE IN EVERY HEARING, SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO KIND OF BREAK THOSE OLD HABITS. 
          AND SO WE'VE, UH, THEY'VE CONTINUED TO PROVIDE, UH, LETTERS AND EMAILS THAT HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ADJUSTED TO THE NEW FORMAT. 
          UM, AND SO SOMETIMES WE'VE ASKED THAT THEY'VE BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN ASKED BY THEM THAT THEY BE READ INTO THE RECORD ANYWAYS. 
          AND FOR THIS FIRST MEETING WE WERE AROUND THAT BEING FLEXIBLE. 
          UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE DO NEED TO RETURN TO HOW WE WERE OPERATING BEFORE WHERE IF YOU'RE SIMPLY SENDING A LETTER, SENDING IN A LETTER, THOSE WILL BE PROVIDED FOR REFERENCE TO YOUR COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, WE'LL NOT BE READ. 
          UM, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE SHARE FOLDER WHERE ALL THE COMMENTS GO. 
          UM, WE'LL MAKE NOTE AS CASES ARE CONSIDERED THAT LETTERS ARE AVAILABLE FOR REFERENCE. 
          UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO GIVE PERSONAL COMMENTS ON RECORDS, WE ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THE STAFF PROVIDED ON THE WEBSITE AND ON THE POSTED AGENDA FOR THE VIRTUAL HEARINGS. 
          UM, EITHER BY UTILIZING ONE OF THE ONLINE FORMS OR LEAVING A VOICEMAIL OR SIGNING UP TO BE CALLED BACK. 
          UM, IT'S NOT ONLY ENSURES THAT THE PROCESS IS FAIR, UM, NO MATTER HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, BUT IT ALSO HELPS STAFF SO YOU MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS ANYTHING. 
          WE REALLY DON'T WANNA MISS ANY COMMENTS THAT WERE, WERE PROVIDED TO US. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          LAUREN. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, THESE ARE ALL REMINDERS FOR YOU. 
          UM, WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOURSELVES MUTED UNLESS YOU ARE SPEAKING. 
          UM, FOR EACH CASE, WE WILL START, AS WE ALWAYS DO, BY READING THE REQUEST LANGUAGE AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE WILL CALL IN THE APPLICANT FOR EACH CASE TO LISTEN BY COMMENT, OR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WE'LL ALSO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE CASE PRIOR TO ANY DISCUSSION STARTING. 
          UM, THAT WILL BE FIRST WITH WRITTEN COMMENTS AND THEN WITH ANY, 
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UM, VOICEMAILS OR CALL SPEAKERS. 
          UM, LIKE MOST VIDEO CONFERENCE PLATFORMS, WEBEX, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE USING, HAS A A BUILT IN CHAT FEATURE. 
          UM, WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM USING THE CHAT TOOL AND KEEP ALL COMMENTS ON THE SPOKEN RECORD. 
          UM, IF A COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WE ASK THAT YOU SIMPLY UNMUTE YOURSELF, STATE YOUR NAME FIRST AND THEN PAUSE BEFORE PROCEEDING. 
          UM, THIS WILL MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO IS SPEAKING AT ALL TIMES, AND ALSO THAT YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING OVER ONE ANOTHER. 
          UM, THIS WENT REALLY WELL LAST TIME, SO JUST KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          UM, AFTER THE DISCUSSION IS CLOSED, WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR TO MOTIONS. 
          UM, WE ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THE SAME FORMAT AS SAY YOUR NAME FIRST, MAKE THE MOTION, UM, AND THEN PROCEED. 
          UM, ALL VOTING IS GONNA BE DONE BY ROLL CALL TODAY. 
          UM, WE CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, INDICATE YOUR VOTE, AND THEN UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          AND WE'LL DO THIS REALLY SLOWLY, LIKE WE DID WITH ROLL CALL, SO IT'S REALLY CLEAR HOW OUR THOSE ARE GOING. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE CASE LIST PULLED UP ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE 26 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE THREE RECUSALS BY COMMISSIONERS. 
          THAT'S ITEM ONE, ITEM FOUR, AND ITEM 25. 
          UM, WE HAVE COMMENTS FOR ITEM 25 BEFORE READ SHORTLY. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, UM, WE THINK THAT THE EASIEST WAY TO HANDLE THESE IS FOR COMMISSIONER FETZER AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER TO SIMPLY RECUSE FROM THE VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND SO WE'LL GET TO THAT SHORTLY. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON GENERAL, SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO START READING THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          UM, I'M ONLY GONNA BE READING WHERE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED JELLO ON THIS LIST. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN CHECK THAT REFERENCE FOLDER WITH THE LETTERS. 
          YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE SUPPORT LETTERS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. 
          UM, BUT THE INTEREST OF TIME, THIS WILL NOT BE READ TODAY. 
          SO STARTING WITH ITEM 6 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY, UM, THE FIRST COMMENT COMES FROM GARY HOUSTON, 6 1 6 NORTH OLIVE, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THIS. 
          DAWSON PARK CALLS FOR MORE COMMUNITY INPUT BECAUSE ONE, IT SEEKS TO ACCOMPLISH TOO MANY DISTINCT FUNCTIONS WITHIN A SPACE THAT IS TOO LIMITED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM ADEQUATE ADEQUATELY. 
          TWO, THE ALAMO PLAZA GAZEBO COMPONENT WAS INTRODUCED AT THE VERY END OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS WITH NO CONSIDERATION FOR HOW IT WOULD RELATE TO OR IMPACT OTHER PARK ELEMENTS. 
          THREE, THERE HAS BEEN NO REVIEW OF HOW THE NEW STRUCTURES WILL AFFECT THE ALL IMPORTANT BE SHED TO THE HAY STREET BRIDGE, AS SEEN FROM CHERRY LAMAR STREETS. 
          AND FOUR, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN INADEQUATELY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT MORE CITIZENS APPEARED AT EACH OF THE THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IN SUPPORT OF THE SKATE PARK FEATURE AND IF FOR ANY OTHER SINGLE PARK COMPONENT. 
          THE SECOND LETTER COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY 1 0 17. 
          WILLIAM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO APPRECIATES THE CONCEPT OF REUSING THE ALAMO PLAZA BANDSTAND AS PART OF THE PARKLAND. 
          HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME THOUGHTS REGARDING ITS USE. 
          THE BANDSTAND IS AN OCTAGONAL SHAPED STRUCTURE, UM, WHOSE FORM DOES NOT LEND ITSELF WELL TO THE USE OF, TO USE AS A PAVILION EVENT SPACE. 
          TYPICALLY, A BANDSTAND IS MEANT TO FUNCTION AS A STAGE, NOT AS A PAVILION. 
          THE ARCHITECTURAL FORM OF A PAVILION IN A PARK USUALLY TAKES ON A RECTANGULAR OR SQUARE FORM THAT IS MORE CONDUCTIVE, CONDUCIVE THAN FUNCTIONAL NEEDS OF GATHERINGS AND EVENTS. 
          HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO USING THE BANDSTAND AS A FOCAL POINT FOR PARK INJURY? PERHAPS AT THE STORYTELLING PLAZA AND HAVING A SEPARATE PAVILION STRUCTURE FOR EVENTS? THE BANDSTAND AT THE ENTRY PLAZA WOULD ALSO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED SHADE AND CREATE A SPA, A SPECIAL SENSE OF ENTRY TO THE PARK. 
          RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          UM, THE NEXT LETTER COMES, UM, UH, FROM A GROUP OF RESIDENTS ON BEHALF OF EVELYN BROWN. 
          UH, WE SUPPORT O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT ON THE RESTROOM, AT THE RESTROOM LOCATION BE RECONSIDERED. 
          FURTHERMORE, WE RECOMMEND THE GAZEBO NOT BE RELOCATED TO THE PARK. 
          THE PLAINTIFF'S FOR PERFORMANCE PAVILION, NOT A GAZEBO, THEY'RE NOT THE SAME. 
          THE RELOCATION OF THE GAZEBO DOES NOT MEET B D C 35 6 1 3 5 B MS. REEDS SHOULD AN APPLICATION TO RELOCATE A BUILDING OBJECT OR STRUCTURE BE APPROVED, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER SHALL ENSURE THAT RELOCATION IS ALREADY ZONED HISTORIC OR SHALL REVIEW WHETHER SUCH LOCATION SHOULD BE DESIGNATED. 
          WE RECOMMEND A SCOOTER PARKING RECHARGING STATION BE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN. 
          WE RECOMMEND A LOW LEVEL SCREEN BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARK TO LESSEN THE VIEW OF THE ALAMO BREWERY PARKING LOT. 
          WE RECOMMEND MORE EFFORT BE MADE TO MAKE THE PARK IT AS A D A COMPLIANT AS POSSIBLE, FOR EXAMPLE, PAVE PATHS IN THE PLAY AREAS. 
          THE FOURTH LETTER COMES FROM THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY SANDY JENKINS AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW PUBLIC PARK. 
          UPON REVIEW, H PARK SUPPORTS THE PROJECT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THE H PARK WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANTS OR WAYS TO EXPAND THE SIDEWALK WITH AND ORATE MORE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING ALONG CHERRY AND LAMAR STREET TO BETTER ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIANS. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM, OR ARE WE PREPARED TO PLAY THAT? LET'S SEE IF IT COMES THROUGH. 
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ONE SECOND, PLEASE. 
          YES, THIS IS LIZ FRANKLIN. 
          I LIVE AT FIVE 15 A AND I'D LIKE TO LEAVE A COMMENT ON NUMBER 2 0 2 9 7 5. 
          LOCATION NUMBER TWO ZERO TWO ZERO ONE FIVE NINE. 
          UH, THE PHONE BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY, I MEAN, SUPPORT OF THAT STIPULATION THAT PRIOR TO THE BANDSTAND BEING PUT IN, UH, PARKING REC, UH, AGREES TO COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR FINAL WEIGH IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO I WAS ABLE TO HEAR THAT. 
          I THINK YOU ALL WERE TOO. 
          UM, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. 
          I HAVE HEARD FROM OUR STAFF REGARDING THAT PROPOSED STIPULATION, AND THAT IS THE PLAN, UM, THAT BEFORE THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL RELOCATION OCCURRED, THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY THAT OVER THE SOUTH. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS 39 0 3 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S, UM, SIGNAGE AT THE ZOO GARAGE. 
          UM, I HAVE QUITE A FEW LETTERS THAT I'M GOING TO START READING. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS IN SUPPORT FROM TIM MORUM. 
          UM, I'M WRITING YOU TODAY IN SUPPORT OF THE APPROVAL ITEM 20 32 86. 
          UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED PACKAGE AND ELEMENTS WAS DISCUSSED. 
          I THINK THAT LAST WEEK'S CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND FUNDING APPROVED PASSED WAS TEN ONE IN VA. 
          THE GARAGE IS A PUBLIC GARAGE LOCATED ON THE ZOO'S PROPERTY LEASE FROM THE CITY LED BY T C I. 
          WE HAVE WORKED COLLABOR COLLABORATIVELY WITH CITY STAFF GENERAL CONTRACTORS, ARCHITECTS IN THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY FOR OVER ONE YEAR ON THEIR GARAGE ENHANCEMENTS AND SIGNED IT TO DOZENS OF MEETINGS, CALLS AND EMAILS OVER THAT YEAR. 
          THE ZOO HAS CONTINUALLY COMPROMISED, AGREED TO ADDED MULTIPLE SIGNS AND INCREASED SIZES TO HELP IDENTIFY BRACKENRIDGE PARK AS AN ADDITION TO THE FIVE EXISTING SIGNS, UM, ON 2 81, WHICH WAS ALREADY, WHICH ALREADY NOTIFIED MOTORISTS OF THE PARKS LOCATION. 
          WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE BRECKENRIDGE PARK MASTER PLAN IN OUR DESIGN, WHICH CALLS FOR THIS SIDE OF THE PARK TO BE EMPHASIZED AS THE MAIN ACCESS TO THE ZOO. 
          THE EDUCATIONAL AND INSPIRING ELEMENTS ON THE GARAGE REPRESENTED THE CONSERVATION EFFORTS OF THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO, BOTH HERE AND ABROAD, AND ARE A TIP OF THE HAT TO COLONEL BRACKENRIDGE, WHO FIRST HOUSE EXOTIC ANIMALS HERE SINCE OPENING THE GARAGE, HAS PROVIDED PARKING WITH THOUSANDS OF VISITORS TO ALMO STADIUM, S A SS D CONVOCATION CENTER, THE ZOO, THE PARK, AND OTHERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
          NEXT COMMENT COME FROM MIMI PINILLA ONE 50 OSTRO DRIVE. 
          IN REFERENCE TO THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK GARAGE, WE HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH COUNCILMAN TRIVIO REGARDING OUR CONCERNS. 
          FIRST, THE O H P APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED IS INACCURATE. 
          THE GARAGE, AS YOU MAY KNOW, IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT ONE, NOT DISTRICT TWO, AS THE, AS THE CITY COUNCIL WAS LED TO BELIEVE LAST WEEK. 
          IN ADDITION, THE ZOO IS NOT THE OWNER OF THE GARAGE. 
          WHETHER THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS THE OWNER, THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO IS THE LESSEE. 
          IF AS THE H C R C APPLICATION STATES, THIS IS AN ART INSTALLATION, THEN WHY IS THE DESIGN NOT APPROPRIATELY VETTED THROUGH THE CITY'S OWN PUBLIC PROCESS? YEAH, WE'RE GONNA MUTE ALL AND THEN I'LL UNMUTE MYSELF. 
          UM, AS RIVER ROAD RESIDENTS, WE WANT TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERN WITH THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO'S REQUEST FOR THE SIGNAGE AND ART INSTALLATION FOR WHAT IS A DEFACTO, WHAT IS DEFACTO A GRAPHIC BILLBOARD OF THE NEW PARKING GARAGE ON THE NORTH EDGE OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. 
          THE RENDERING SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL DOES NOT REFERENCE OR FOLLOW THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK MASTER PLAN. 
          PAGE 25 DOES NOT FOLLOW THE APPROVED PUBLIC PARTICIPATION GUIDELINES APPROVED BY THE CITY. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE H C R C DELAY, H C R C CASE 20 21 77, PENDING A THOROUGH BETTING THROUGH A TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S SIGNED BY SEVERAL RIVER ROAD RESIDENTS. 
          NEXT LETTER COMES FROM PATRICIA PAT PRATCHETT. 
          UM, 7 33 EAST WOODLAND AVENUE PARKING FACILITY IS ON THE NORTHERN BORDER OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS IDENTIFIED IN THREE FOOT TALL LETTERING WHILE THE ZOO LETTERING IS FOUR 14 FEET TALL AND MORE PROMINENTLY PLACED ALONG WITH 36 FEET AND 52 INCH TALL ZOO BRANDED GRAPHICS. 
          REFERENCING THE DESIGN SUBMITTED BY THE ZOO TO H D BRANDING SHOULD BE FOR THE PARK AND NOT FOR THE SPECIFIC NON-PROFIT THAT IS LOCATED IN PROXIMITY TO THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          CASE IN POINT, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARKING FACILITY CLOSE TO THE WHITTY MUSEUM IS NOT BRANDED AS THE WHITTY MUSEUM PARKING GARAGE, AND THERE IS NO GRAPHIC BRANDING THAT REFERS TO THE MUSEUM. 
          THERE ARE MORE SIMILARITIES THAN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING FACILITIES, WHICH ARE OS EXTENSIVELY SIMILAR, ARE PRIMARILY FOR BRECKENRIDGE PARK PATRONS. 
          UM, BOTH FACILITIES ARE LOCATED ON THE EDGE OF THE PARK, MAINTAINED BY THE NON-PROFIT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY CONSTRUCTED WITH BOND FUNDING. 
          THE ONLY BRANDING AND SIGNAGE ON THE PARKING FACILITIES SHOULD CLEARLY MARK THEM AS BRECKENRIDGE 
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PARK PARKING FACILITIES AND NOT SERVE AS A GRAPHIC BILLBOARD FOR A LESSEE IN THE PARK. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED THAT THE HT R C DELAY THE CASE PENDING A THOROUGH BETTING THROUGH A TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS, UM, AND ALSO SUBMITTED BY, UH, NEIGHBORS OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THE PARKING FACILITY IS ON THE NORTHERN BORDER OF THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK, AND BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS IDENTIFIED IN TWO FOOT TALL LETTER. 
          I THINK THIS IS A DUPLICATION. 
          IT'S NEXT LETTER COMES FROM GEMMA KENNEDY 5 0 9 RIVER ROAD. 
          WE ASK THE H D C TO LAY VOTING ON THE SIGNAGE AND ART INSTALLATION ON THE PARKING GARAGE UNTIL THERE IS A TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS AS OUTLINED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE AND THE APPROVED PUBLIC PARTICIPATION GUIDELINES. 
          THE RIVER ROAD OPPOSED A PARKING FACILITY NEXT TO THE MUSEUM, ONLY EXCEEDED WHEN THE NAMING AND BRANDING, UM, CLEARLY INDICATED THE PARK FACILITY IS FOR ALL PARK PATRONS NOT SERVED AS A GRAPHIC ADVERTISING BILLBOARD. 
          UM, GEMMA, I APOLOGIZE. 
          WE WE FORMATTED THIS PRINTED COPIES AND SO I CAN'T READ THE LAST SENTENCE. 
          I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          BUT IT IS AVAILABLE IN THE FOLDER FOR COMMISSIONERS WE'RE IN. 
          WE'RE . 
          NOW WE'LL COME BACK TO IF WE CAN GET LUCY WILSON, UH, ONE 30 MAGNOLIA DRIVE SUBMITTED THIS IN ABSENCE OF PUBLIC AND TRANSPARENT AND TRANSPARENT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND REVIEW. 
          AS USE GRAPHIC ENHANCEMENT PLANS APPLICATION SHOULD BE PULLED TO THE H O C AGENDA AND DELAYED. 
          WHEN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS HAS INFORMED THE DESIGN AND BRANDING OF THE H C O C SHOULD THEN APPROPRIATELY CONSIDER THE DESIGN ENHANCEMENT FOR PARKING GARAGE. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE H C R C DELAYED CONSIDERATION OF THE CASE PENDING A TCS UNAPPROVED AND TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          UM, LEWIS F FISHER 3 0 1 T LANE SAN ANTONIO ZOO WAS BEST KNOWN AS THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK ZOO, FOR MERELY HAVE ITS HISTORY. 
          THAT SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP CONTINUES WHEN SAN ANTONIO ZOO COMES UP WITH THE CLICK BAR BY TICKETS, FOLLOWED BY A WIKIPEDIA DESCRIPTION. 
          UM, THE SECOND SENTENCE BEING, IT IS LOCATED IN THE CITY'S BRACKEN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. 
          MY LATEST BOOK READINGS FROM SAN ANTONIO, HISTORIC POSTCARDS OF THE ALAMA CITY, JUST PUBLISHED BY TRINITY UNIVERSITY PRESS, INCLUDES SEVEN POSTCARDS OF THE ZOO FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE 20TH CENTURY ALL IN ONE. 
          IDENTIFIES IT AS THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO, THE OTHER SHOW ANIMAL SCENES DESCRIBED AS BEING IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK, ONLY SAYING SIMPLY ANIMAL KINGDOM BRACKENRIDGE PARK. 
          THIS IS HARDLY A SCIENTIFIC STUDY, BUT POSTCARDS DO HAVE A HIGH LEVEL OF ACCURACY IN REFLECTING POPULAR CULTURE. 
          NEW YORK CENTRAL ZOO PARK ZOO CAPITALIZES ON ITS LOCATION IN IT, SAME AS SEATTLE WOODLAND PARK ZOO, CHICAGO'S LINCOLN PARK ZOO, TUCSON'S, GREEN PARK ZOO, AND MANY OTHERS. 
          WHILE A SAN ANTONIO ZOO MAY PREFER TO PROMOTE ITS OFFICIAL NAME RATHER THAN THE NAME BY WHICH IT MAY BETTER BE KNOWN, UM, IT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW SIGN DENYING VISITORS THE FAMILIAR IDENTITY WITH BRACKENRIDGE PARK ADVANCES THE GOALS OF EITHER THE ZOO OR THE PARK. 
          THE NEXT LETTER IS FROM TIM SWAN, NINE 90 ISO. 
          REMEMBER, MY NAME IS TIM SWAN AND I AM THE, I AM A BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY BOARD MEMBER, THE B P C ADVOCATES FOR THE PARK AND ITS STAKEHOLDERS WITH THE GOAL OF RESTORING THE PARK TO ITS RIGHTFUL POSITION AS A 350 ACRE COMMUNITY TREASURER OF  S DOWNTOWN. 
          THE PARK WAS RECENTLY REFERRED TO BY A NATION, BY A NATIONAL URBAN PARK AUTHORITY AS POSSIBLY THE MOST LY SIGNIFICANT PARK IN THE UNITED STATES AND SPRINGS ARE, AFTER ALL THE VERY RECENT SAN ANTONIO IS LOCATED HERE TODAY, ADDED BY A PROFESSIONALLY PREPARED 650 PAGE REPORT. 
          B PC'S VISION IS TO RESTORE THE ECOLOGY AND PHYSICAL ELEMENTS OF THE PARK IN A MANNER THAT ENHANCES COMMUNITY'S PARK EXPERIENCE. 
          FUNDAMENTAL TO B PC'S VISION IS TO IMPROVE DIRECTIONAL WAYFINDING TO THE PARK. 
          UM, A LARGE SITE LACKING AN OBVIOUS FRONT DOOR. 
          WE SUPPORT THE NEW GARAGE BOND, UM, INITIATIVE WHILE PROMOTED AS PARKING FOR THE PARK AND ZOO. 
          HOWEVER, AFTER 18 MONTHS OF NEGOTIATION, THE PARK WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN OBTAINING MEANINGFUL DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE ON THE, ON THE GARAGE. 
          VIRTUALLY ALL THE SIGNAGE WAS ALLOTTED TO THE ZOO. 
          UM, WHILE A SIMPLE SOLUTION EXISTS, WE GOT NO SUPPORT FROM CITY STAFF, ANY OF DISTURBED BY THE PROCESS THAT ALLOWED THIS TO OCCUR. 
          I JUST EMAILED YOU GEMMA'S COMMENT. 
          I JUST EMAILED YOU GEMMA'S COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL BE ABLE TO PULL THAT UP IN A SECOND. 
          UM, WE SUPPORTED THE NEW GROUP. 
          UH, WELL, A SIMPLE SOLUTION EXISTS. 
          WE GOT NO SUPPORT FROM CITY STAFF, AND YOU'RE NOT DISTURBED BY THE PROCESS THAT ALLOWED THIS TO OCCUR. 
          WE THINK THIS MATTER REACHED THIS POINT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU TABLE THE CASE IN ORDER, UM, THAT PUBLIC DISCUSSION MAY BE HEARD. 
          UM, RICARDO ROMO, THREE 19 EAST NOTTINGHAM DRIVE RIDGE PARK HAS A RICH HISTORY AND ITS ITS LOCATION NEAR THE HEADWATERS OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, REQUIRES ITS CONSTANT PRESERVATION AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. 
          THE EARLIEST SETTLERS, SETTLERS OF SAN ANTONIO LIVED AND FARMED ON THE SHORES OF THIS ANCIENT RIVER. 
          HUAD AND AMERICAN CAN BOAST AN URBAN PARK WITH THIS RICH PRE-COLONIAL HISTORY. 
          TODAY, VISITORS FROM ALL PARTS OF THE WORLD VISIT THE PARK AND THE MUSEUM IN SAN ANTONIO ZOO ABOARD WAS ACTIVE IN SUPPORTING 
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THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE FOR THE PARK AND ZOO. 
          NOW, WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT THE NAME BRECKENRIDGE PARK IS PROMINENT FOR THE MANY VISITORS WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PARK'S, MANY AMENITIES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE PARKING LOCATION OF PICNIC TABLES. 
          I WRITE TO URGE YOU THAT, TO URGE YOU THAT YOU SUPPORT HAVING BRECKENRIDGE PARK LOCATIONS ADDED TO THE TOWER FACING EAST. 
          IN ADDITION, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK SIGNAGE SHOULD BE PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED ON THE FACADE FACING THE SOUTH ENTRANCE. 
          EVERYDAY THOUSANDS OF VISITORS ENTER THE PARK, IT'S CRITICAL THAT THEY KNOW WHERE TO PARK. 
          UM, ONCE THERE, THEY WILL ENJOY A PARK THAT IS A RESULT OF MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS OF BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS BY MANY PUBLIC LEADERS AT SAN ANTONIO CITIZENS WHOSE REMARKABLE, REMARKABLE VISION MADE BRACKENRIDGE PARK POSSIBLE. 
          UM, NEXT LETTER IS FROM JOE LINSON, WHICH IS, WHICH RESIDES AT, UM, 1 0 1 3 1 SILVER BRANCH. 
          UH, DEAR MEMBERS, I'M A MEMBER OF THE BRACK PARK CONSERVANCY. 
          I URGE YOU TO TABLES ITEMS SO THAT ADDITIONAL COMMENTS COULD, CAN BE MADE ABOUT PROPER SIGNAGE THAT WOULD RIGHTFULLY LIST BRACK PARK UNDER GARAGE FACING HIGHWAY 2 81. 
          THE ZOO IS IN THE PARK, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. 
          THANKS MUCH. 
          UM, THE NEXT LETTER COMES FROM TONY CANTU, TWO 30 DWYER. 
          UM, UH, HE'S REQUESTING WITHDRAWAL OF AGENDA ITEM 20 21, 7 7 OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS. 
          ONE, THE 2017 BOND ISSUE INCLUDED THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PARKING GARAGE FOR BRACKEN RIDGE PARK AND THE CITY ZOO. 
          THE CURRENT PROPOSED SIGNAGE FOR THE STRUCTURE AMIDST THE VISIBILITY OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK PARKING AND LEADS, VISITORS BELIEVE THIS IS ZOO PARKING. 
          THE B P C WORKS DILIGENTLY TO MAKE ALL AMENITIES, ALL THE AMENITIES OF THE PARK TO INCLUDE THE ZOO AVAILABLE TO ALL VISITORS. 
          THE PART NEEDS EQUITABLE SIGNAGE WITH THE ZOO SO THAT VISITORS KNOW THE GARAGE IS AVAILABLE. 
          TWO, THE PARK SITS IN PRIMARILY DISTRICT TWO, BUT PARTS OF THE PARK TO INCLUDE THE GARAGE SIT IN DISTRICT ONE. 
          IT'S CONFUSING TO, TO THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL WHO HAS JURISDICTION OVER RELATED ISSUES. 
          THE B B C MADE REQUEST COUNCIL INTERVENE TO RECONSIDER THE CURRENT SIGNAGE PLANS, WHICH MAKES PRIMARILY REFERENCE TO, TO ZOO PARKING MAY. 
          COUNCIL VIN REQUESTED OF SIGNING THE CULTURAL NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE, UM, TO ME TO MEDIATE THE ISSUE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I'LL RATE THE COUNCIL VOTED TO PROCEED WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD APPROVE SIGNAGE THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE NER PARK WITH EQUITABLE VISIBILITY REQUEST OF NER PARK CONSERVANCY AS TO WITHDRAW THE ITEM, UM, AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, NEXT LETTER COMES FROM MARY ALICE ROS, UM, 2002 WEST HOUSTON STREET. 
          NOWADAYS, PARKING GARAGES ARE BEING USED TO CREATE A SENSE OF ARRIVAL. 
          SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWS ARTICLE NOVEMBER 27TH, 2019 REPORTS THAT THE FIRST MODERN PARKING GARAGE IN THE CITY WAS BUILT IN 2006 ON AVENUE B. 
          IT WAS NAMED THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PARKING GARAGE. 
          EP WAS BRANDED TO SERVE VISITORS WITH THE WITTY MU WITH THE WITTY MUSEUM ZOO AND OTHER AMENITIES. 
          THERE ARE SIMILARITIES WITH THE GARAGE NOW NAMED THE ZOO GARAGE. 
          BOTH GARAGES WERE BUILT WITH PUBLIC FUNDS AND ARE MANAGED AND OPERATED BY THE NON-PROFIT ENTITIES. 
          WITTY AND ZOO BRACKER PARK CONSERVANCY. 
          THAT THE 1899 HISTORIC AND RECREATIONAL PARK BE RECOGNIZED PROMINENTLY ON THE TOWER OF THE NEW GARAGE, WELCOMING VISITORS TO BRADEN RIDGE PARK, THE ZOO, AND INCLUDING THE JAPANESE TEA GARDENS, ONE OF MAYOR LEILA AL'S FAVORITE LOCATIONS. 
          THE SIGNAGE OF PUBLIC ART PROPOSED ARE NOT EQUITABLE TO BP, WHICH IS A DESTINATION, THE TOWERS OF BEACON FOR THE PARK AND ALL THAT. 
          IT HAS TO OFFER AN IMPORTANT PRECEDENT AVENUE B GARAGE BUILT TO SERVICE, WITTY AND PARK VISITORS THE WITTY MAINTAINS AND OPERATES IT JUST AS THE ZOO MAINTAINS AND OPERATES THIS GARAGE AND A B P HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED SINCE THE GARAGE OPEN. 
          I HAVE REQUEST THAT THIS CASE BE TABLED TO ALLOW FOR THOUGHTFUL RESOLUTION TO GIVE BRECKENRIDGE PARK PROPER RECOGNITION ON THIS HIGHLY VISIBLE FACILITY, PROVIDING A PUBLIC PARKING TO THOSE TRAVELING ON US 2 81 C PARK. 
          THE NEXT LETTER COMES FROM NICHOLAS HOLLIS, SEVEN 20 IVY LANE. 
          I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          UH, MY NAME IS NICHOLAS HOLLIS. 
          I'M A VOLUNTEER IN DON FOR THE BELOVED BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. 
          I'M WRITING ABOUT A VANISHING ICON. 
          OVER MANY YEARS, THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF BRACK BRACKENRIDGE HAS BEEN BALKANIZED WITH EACH NEW TENANT. 
          THESE NEW TENANTS DO NOT PAY FOR THE REPAIR OF STREETS, WALLS, BENCHES, OR MAINTENANCE. 
          TODAY, BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS HIDDEN, UM, THREAD BEAR AND CRUMBLY AND HOME TO WEALTHY INSTITUTIONS. 
          YOUR ALREADY HISTORIC FUNCTIONING COLONIAL DAMS AS SE BATHHOUSES, SWIMMING POOLS, DOCK GUIDES, PADDLE BOATS, NATURE DRIVES, AND SO MUCH MORE. 
          ALONG THE WAY, THE BRECKENRIDGE ZOO ALSO VANISHED REBRANDING AS THE SAN ANTONIO EQUIVALENT. 
          THIS BRINGS ME TO THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE ON THE NEW GARAGE PAID FOR PARA CITIZENS, THE SURFACE, BRECKENRIDGE PARK AND ZOO PATRIOTS. 
          THE RULING BOND LANGUAGE IS CLEAR. 
          UM, WHY THEN DOES THE SIGNAGE NOT REFLECT THE SAME INTENT? INSTEAD, WE HAVE A 40 FOOT HIGH TIGER DRAFT AND HUGE ZOO FONTS WITH WAGONERS PARK BARELY VISIBLE. 
          WHY IS THE ZOO ATTEMPTING TO ERASE THE PARK FROM VIEW IN FAVOR OF MASSIVE, NON, NON-NATIVE ANIMALS? WE MUST, AS A COMMUNITY QUESTION THE FURTHER ERASURE OF THE PARK'S HISTORIC PARK SIGNIFICANCE IN FAVOR OF GIANT MARKETING GLOBAL. 
          THESE TABLE THE CASE AS I CANNOT THINK OF A MORE RELEVANT SUBJECT FOR THE SUSTAINED BODY AND THE 
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PUBLIC TO DISCUSS FURTHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT LETTER COMES FROM LUKE T GILLAND, UM, 9 0 1 NORTHEAST LUKE FOUR. 
          UH, DEAR C C MEMBERS, UM, I'M WRITING, I'M A BOARD MEMBER, TREASURER AND DONOR OF THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY. 
          UM, AS ONE WHO IS CHARGED WITH THE HEALTH AND ADVOCACY OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF PROPER INADEQUATE BRACKENRIDGE PARK SIGNAGE ON AND FOR THE CAPTIONED GARAGE. 
          AFTER 18 MONTHS OF DISCUSSION ZOO COULD PROVIDE IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWN IN THE WAY OF DRAWINGS. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THE PREMIER MU AT THE PREMIER MUNICIPAL PARK AND IN THIS COUNTRY AS DESCRIBED BY THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT AND AS A POSSIBLE INCLUSION IN THE NATIONAL, HER HERITAGE AREA DESERVES BETTER. 
          THERE'S NO SIGNAGE ON THE EAST TOWER, WHICH IS THE ONLY FEW CITIZENS AND VISITORS WOULD GET DRIVING FROM THE AIRPORT TO DOWNTOWN AND WHOLLY IN ADEQUATE SIGNAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE GARAGE. 
          ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE ZOO SIGNAGE. 
          THERE'S ONLY ZOO SIGNAGE AT THE GARAGE ENTRANCE, IMPLYING ALWAYS YOU PATRONS ARE WELCOME. 
          THIS INE EQUITABLE DECISION WILL HAVE THE PERMANENCY FOR YOURS TO COME. 
          UM, SURELY WE CAN DO BETTER. 
          I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE WITHDRAW THIS ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT I'M MORE THOUGHTFUL DECISION TO BE MADE. 
          UM, THE NEXT LETTER COMES FROM CHARLOTTE LIN MITCHELL 3 0 3 PICON, YOUR H C R C MEMBERS. 
          UM, I'M A BOARD MEMBER AND SECRETARY FOR THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY WRITING IN REGARD TO THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE FOR THE NEW CITY GARAGE, WHICH HAS BEEN LABELED THE ZOO GARAGE, A GARAGE INTENDED TO SERVICE AS BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND ZOO PATRONS. 
          THIS GARAGE IS FOR THE BENEFIT, UM, EQUALLY OF WELL THE ZOO PATRONS AS WELL AS VISITORS TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK. 
          THAT THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE IS DOMINATED BY THE HUGE ZOO SIGN AND PICTURES OF LARGER LIFE NON-NATIVE ANIMALS. 
          BRACKEN BRACKENRIDGE PARK SIGNAGE IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE, UM, EXPRESSWAY AND WHAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IS QUITE SMALL. 
          IN COMPARISON TO PROPOSED ZOO SIGNAGE, YOU CAN SERVICE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST CONSIDERATION FOR APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE ON THE EAST TOWER OF THE GARAGE SO THAT CITIZENS OF AND VISITORS TO SAN ANTONIO DRIVING ON 2 81 CAN NOTICE. 
          THIS GARAGE IS OPEN TO BOTH ZOO AND PARK VISITORS. 
          THE CONSERVANCY WORKS HARD, UM, AT PROTECTING BRECKER PARK AND HAS SUFFERED TERRIBLY FROM TENANTS WHO DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO ITS PRESERVATION OR RESTORATION. 
          PLEASE WITHDRAW THIS ITEM, UM, FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT WE'RE EQUITABLE AND CONSIDER CONSIDERATION TO BE MADE. 
          UM, LETA VAN UTE 1616 WEST MULBERRY. 
          UM, I'M REQUESTING TABLING THIS AGENDA ITEM AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, AND LAST LETTER COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, UM, OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          ONE SEVEN Q WILLIAM. 
          UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OBJECTS TO THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR SIGNAGE CONTENT FOR THE 2017, UM, BOND FUNDED CITY PARKING GARAGE ONTO LET GARAGE ON TOLET DRIVE IN US TWO ONE, THE SIGNAGE DESIGNED, EXCUSE ME, LY ADVERTISES THE ZOO, BUT ONLY PROVIDES ADVERTISEMENT TO RIDGE PARK ALONG TOLET DRIVE AND NOT ON THE TOWER OR FACADE FACING NORTH AND MORE EQUITABLE GARAGE SIGNAGE PLAN NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED FOR THE ZOO IN PARK BACK. 
          BRACKEN ROUGE PARK CONSERVANCY HAS OFFERED SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING TO BALANCE PARK SIGNAGE, THE ZOO SIGNAGE, BUT THE OFFER HAS BEEN DISMISSED. 
          WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT A HIGHLY VISIBLE OPPORTUNITY, THIS IS TO PROMOTE BOTH THE ZOO AND THE PARK TO ALL THAT TRAVEL ON US. 
          TWO ONE. 
          THE PARK ARE UNIQUE URBAN LANDSCAPE TREASURE SHOULD BE ADVERTISED WITH PEOPLE AND ENTHUSIASM ALONG WITH THE ZOO ON THE CITY OWNED GARAGE. 
          IN FACT, RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, PATTY SILENCE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A CALLING SPEAKER. 
          UM, ARE WE PREPARED TO PIPE THEM IN? EDWARD, DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE OR YOU NEED TO UNMUTE EDWARD? EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          DO YOU HAVE OUR SPEAKER? NO, THE SPEAKER CALLED, LET ME PULL HIM BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I WILL FINISH, UM, GEMMA KENNEDY'S COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THE GARAGE IS BEING CONSIDERED AS THE ST. 
          MARY'S STREET ADDRESS, IT IS BY THAT CONSIDERATION AS A PART OF THE HISTORIC PART AND MUST FOLLOW ALL THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS FOR PUBLIC ART. 
          EITHER THE GARAGE ART IS VETTED THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS OR UNLESS ADHERED TO THE HISTORIC PART AND APPROVE MASTER PLAN GUIDELINES. 
          IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          IT CANNOT BE BOTH. 
          WE ASK THAT THE H C R C DELAY THE CASE PENDING OF TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR EDWARD TO REJOIN. 
          I NOW HAVE MR. CALBERT ON THE PHONE. 
          MR. CALBERT, DO YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO PROVIDE COMMENTS? OKAY. 
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WE, WE CAN HEAR YOU SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN BEGIN. 
          UH, THERE'S SOMEONE SPEAKING. 
          UM, WE CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE. 
          I'M GOING TO MUTE MYSELF. 
          MR. CALVERT? YES, IF YOU CAN START YOUR COMMENTS NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS JOE CALVERT. 
          I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF THE BLACK RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY. 
          AND I'M SPEAKING TO REQUEST THAT, UH, THIS COMMISSION TABLE CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 1 7 7. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION PUBLICLY AND TO THIS BOARD. 
          WHY DOES THE ZOO OBJECT TO EQUITABLE SIGNAGE AND PROMINENT WAY FINDING FOR VISITORS TO RACKER RIDGE PARK TO FIND FREE PARKING IN A CITY FUNDED GARAGE? I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE FOLLOWING FACTS. 
          BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY SUPPORTS THE COMPLETION OF THE 2017 BOND PROJECT. 
          BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY SUPPORTS THE ZOO LOGO ON THE GARAGE AS PRESENTED. 
          THE D P C STRONGLY ADVOCATES FOR PROMINENT PLACEMENT OF THE NAME BRACKENRIDGE PARK ON THE EAST TOWER, ALONG WITH THE ZOO LOGO. 
          D P C SUPPORTS THE PLACEMENT OF THE LETTERING BRACKENRIDGE PARK ON THE SOUTH TO SIDE. 
          HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THAT THE RECOMMENDED RETAINING WALL SIGN SHOULD BE RELOCATED TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE GARAGE ALONGSIDE THE ZOO SIGNAGE D P C OFFERED TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WHEN IT WAS INDICATED THAT FUNDING WAS NOT AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL PARK SIGNAGE TO UNDERWRITE THE SIGNAGE ON THE TOWER, THE PARKS DIRECTOR DECLINED AT THIS OFFER SAYING THAT THE ZOO OBJECTED. 
          HERE'S AN IMPORTANT PRECEDENT. 
          THE AVENUE B GARAGE BUILT TO SERVICE WITTY AND PARK VISITORS THE WITTY MAINTAINS AND OPERATES IT JUST AS THE ZOO MAINTAINS AND OPERATES THIS GARAGE, THE NAME BRACKER RIDGE PARK, HAS BEEN PROMINENT DISPLAYED SINCE THE AVENUE B GARAGE OPEN. 
          FINALLY, 2017 BRACKEN RIDGE PARK MASTER PLAN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT PARK ENTRANCES NEED TO BE MORE CLEARLY DEFINED. 
          THIS GARAGE IS IN A MAJOR PARK ENTRANCE ON TWO LEADER DRIVE PROPER BRACKEN RIDGE PARK SIGNAGE IS THEREFORE CONSISTENT WITH THE 2017 MASTER PLAN AND SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. 
          PLEASE TABLE THIS ITEM A, IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC PROCESS TO CONTINUE TO ULTIMATELY PROVIDE PROPER RECOGNITION OF THE CITY'S MOST IMPORTANT PART, DR. 
          MITCH CLARK. 
          THANK YOU MR. VER. 
          UM, MOVING ON, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE THE REST OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          UM, FOR OTHER ITEMS, UM, QUICKLY WANNA MENTION FOR ITEM SEVEN, UM, WE'VE RECEIVED NINE LETTERS OF SUPPORT. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALL IN YOUR FOLDER FOR REVIEW. 
          UM, ITEM 9 5 1 5. 
          NOLAN ALSO A LETTER OF SUPPORT IN YOUR FOLDER, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, ACTUALLY, WHAT IS THAT ITEM 11, UH, 4 0 3 NORTH PALMETTO. 
          YES. 
          UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE ADDITIONAL LETTER I'M GOING TO READ. 
          I THINK WE, WE MESSED UP OUR COLOR CODING THERE. 
          UM, SO ITEM 11 4 0 3 NORTH PALMETTO. 
          WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS SUBMITTED ON BEHALF OF, UM, BROWN. 
          UM, WE SUPPORT O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          HOWEVER, WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT NO MENTION WAS MADE TO DOCUMENT THE FACT, UM, THAT THIS PROJECT HAS AL IS ALREADY COMPLETED. 
          THIS APPLICATION IS AFTER THE FACT. 
          THERE IS NO RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FINES, FEES, OR ANYTHING THAT SUGGESTS THAT THE GUIDELINES HAVE BEEN IGNORED SINCE O H P HAS NO INSPECTION OR ENFORCEMENT CA CAPACITY. 
          THE FAILURE TO GET A C O A BEFORE WORK STARS IS REALLY THE ONLY ENFORCEMENT TOOL AND THUS NOT BE IGNORED. 
          UM, ITEM 13, 6 11 NORTH OLIVE. 
          UM, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM, UH, THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, THEY DO NOT HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLUMNS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED UPON IN INSPECT UPON INSPECTION DURING A SITE VISIT. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT CASE FROM THE, UM, GROUP OF NEIGHBORS SUBMITTED, UM, ON BEHALF OF EVELYN BROWN, UM, THE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO USE FOUR CONCRETE WALKWAY AND NOT PAPERS AND ENCOURAGE THE O H P TO CONSIDER CREATING SPECIFIC ITEMS FOR RIDICULOUS TILE AT HOMES. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE SUPPORT, UH, LETTER FOR ITEM 14 8 1 9 OGDEN AND TWO SUPPORT LETTERS FOR ITEM 15, WHICH IS 7 0 7 VASA. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, ANOTHER LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR SEVEN 20 EAST CARSON, UM, THAT I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO READ. 
          UM, THIS WAS SUBMITTED, UH, BY ROSE HILL, UM, PRESIDENT OF THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, CINDY LEE, IS REQUESTING TO PUT IN A WINDOW IN THE FRONT SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE. 
          THESE HOMEOWNERS HAVE DONE A REMARKABLE JOB IN TRYING TO RESTORE CLEANING UP THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT'S SHOWS THAT THESE HOMEOWNERS TAKE PRIDE IN THIS HISTORICAL HOUSE AND ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
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THE GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST. 
          WE HOPE Y'ALL WILL APPROVE HER REQUEST. 
          UM, ITEM 22. 
          UM, WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UM, SUBMITTED BY EVELYN BROWN. 
          UH, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, HOWEVER, WE ALSO KNOW THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THEIR FINDINGS, CREATING OVERALL CONFUSING AND DIFFICULT FOR DIVORCE APPROVAL. 
          UM, WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR ITEM 23 FROM THE KING KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE TWO LETTERS SUBMITTED FOR ITEM 24, WHICH IS 4 0 2 CEDAR STREET. 
          THE FIRST COMES FROM MICKEY CONRAN, CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND CONCUR WITH STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL STIPULATIONS. 
          WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THE WIDTH OF THE TYPICAL PLOT RENTAL WIDTH AND THE FINAL DESIGN SUBMISSION. 
          WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH OUR COMMITTEE AS THEY WORK THROUGH THE FINAL DESIGN. 
          UM, THE SECOND LETTER IS SUBMITTED BY PATTY ZIONS PRESENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES THE REQUEST FOR THE DIVISION OF THIS LOT. 
          THIS PROPOSED LOT DIVISION WOULD CREATE TWO NARROW PARCELS ON THE EAST END OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY. 
          THESE TWO PARCELS ARE INDICATED AS 35 AND 36 FEET IN WIDTH WHILE EXISTING LOT WIDTHS WITHIN THIS AREA ARE 50 FEET WIDE, THE PROPOSED LOT WIDTHS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD LOT WIDTHS. 
          THE SHOULD PROVIDE A CONTEXT SITE PLAN THAT INDICATES OTHERWISE IN THE AREA OF SIMILAR DIMENSIONS BEFORE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS CONSIDERED RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AS SAN ATTORNEY. 
          UM, NEXT IS, UM, ITEM 25, UM, WHICH WE HAVE A RECUSAL FOR. 
          UM, BUT I'M GONNA READ THE COMMENTS. 
          WE DO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL LETTER SUBMITTED BY EVELYN BROWN. 
          UM, WE GENERALLY SUPPORT OF WHICH PEACE'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          HOWEVER, OF NOTE, UM, IT IS THE REIN REINTRODUCTION OF THE BROWNSTONE IN ANY WAY THAT WOULD BE VALID IN SAN ANTONIO AND CERTAINLY NOT IN DI NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT OR HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, THIS PROJECT WOULD, THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF TOTAL HOMES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE O H P AND H D R C COMMISSIONERS TO FOLLOW THIS PROJECT CLOSELY AND REFRAIN FROM APPROVING POST C O A CHANGE REQUESTS TO LESSER QUALITY AND, AND INAPPROPRIATE MATERIALS, LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY THERE IS A LETTER OF SUPPORT, UM, FOR 2 0 3 MADISON, UM, SUBMITTED BY MICKEY CONRAD. 
          THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND INCURRED WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL STIPULATIONS TO ALL ALTER THE FORM OF THE PROPOSED ROOF. 
          WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A BRICK TO MATCH THE EXISTING BRICK PAVERS FOR OUTDOOR KITCHEN WALL FOR OUT FOR THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN BASE WALL IN LIEU OF INTRODUCING STONE AS A NEW MATERIAL THAT IS NOT FOUND ELSEWHERE IN THE HOUSE. 
          UM, THAT 
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CONCLUDES ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, UM, WHEN WE TAKE A VOTE, UM, COMMISSIONER FETZER AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WILL RECUSE FROM THAT VOTE, UM, AS THEY HAVE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE RECUSING FROM. 
          UM, SO WHEN, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, WE'LL ASK THAT THEY TURN OFF THEIR CAMERAS AND . 
          UM, WITH ALL OF THAT CONSIDERED, UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION? AND REMEMBER, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          YEAH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, CAN I PULL ITEM EIGHT, THE ? MM-HMM. 
          , THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          UM, I WANNA REMOVE SOMETHING IF I HAVE A QUESTION, CORY. 
          SO ON, UM, ITEM SIX, UM, YES. 
          YOU DID MENTION THAT THE, UM, PARK AND RECREATION IS, UM, AGREEABLE TO GOING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND SPEAKING WITH THEM ABOUT PLACEMENT OF THE ITEM. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND WE DO HAVE PARK STAFF ON THE LINE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT A QUESTION TO THEM SPECIFICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, I WOULD. 
          UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST IF IT WAS HEARD INDIVIDUALLY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          LET'S REMOVE AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? UM, SO IF, UM, COMMISSIONER SPENCER AND CARPENTER CAN, UM, QUOTE UNQUOTE LEAVE THE  THE MEETING, UH, JUST TURN OFF YOUR, YOUR VIDEO AND REMAIN MUTED. 
          UM, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR, UM, APPROVAL OF THE REMAINDER ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          IT'S GONNA BE ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE SEVEN, THEN ITEMS NINE THROUGH 26, THE STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. 
          UH, MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 
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5 7 9 THROUGH 26 WITH STEPS STIPULATIONS THE LAST SECOND. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. 
          UM, AND I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          I THINK WE GOT THE SECOND FROM VELASQUEZ FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND SO NOW KRISTEN, CAN WE DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE OR YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE KRISTEN. 
          COMMISSIONER VELA, UH, . 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GI AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS BEEN REFUSED FOR THIS ITEM, SO I'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER RE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. 
          CHAIRMAN HAS BEEN REFUSED. 
          AND FINALLY, COMMISSIONER LA AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE WILL DISCUSS ITEM 
          [20-3193 Address/Description: 803 N CHERRY - Future Berkley V. and Vincent M. Dawson Park HDRC Case No.: 2020-159 Public Property: Future Berkley V. and Vincent M. Dawson Park Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: Sandy Jenkins/City of San Antonio Request: Development of a new public park City Council Dist.: 2]
6 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY, WHICH WAS FULL FOR QUESTIONS. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UM, PARKS DIRECTOR, UH, HOMER GARCIA ON THE LINE. 
          YES. 
          AYE, AVAILABLE AND WE ALSO, SO AHEAD ST. 
          JENKINS, OUR PROJECT MANAGER, UM, WHO'S BEEN LEADING ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, THE, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. 
          SO EITHER ONE OF US CAN, DEPENDING ON THE QUESTION, QUESTION, UM, SHE MAY BE ANSWERING, BUT I'M AVAILABLE AS WELL. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, SO GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS GONNA CONCERN ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. 
          SO CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO ME ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNICATIONS ARE WITH THE COMMUNITY, ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THE, UM, THE GAZEBO AND, I'M SORRY, THE BANDSTAND AND, UM, IF, HAVE YOU HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM ALREADY? AND IF SO, HOW DID THOSE THOSE GO? AND IF NOT WITH, UM, COMMUNICATIONS, DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE WITH THEM GOING FORWARD ON THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THAT AND I'LL PROVIDE AN OVERARCHING RESPONSE AND THEN IF SANDY, UH, HAS SOME PARTICULARS AND, AND WANTS TO ADD TO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN EXTENSIVE, UH, AND ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS LAST FALL. 
          AND SO, UM, BY THE ORDINANCE, HE NEEDED TO HAVE COMPLETED BY DECEMBER 31 THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE PARK, BUT, BUT ALSO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS TO DO SO. 
          UM, SO IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THAT, UM, THERE WERE MULTIPLE MEETINGS, UM, AND AT THE LAST MEETING, THE FULL CONCEPT PLAN, IF YOU WILL, BASED ON THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS LEADING UP TO THAT POINT, IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED. 
          AND IT DID INCLUDE, UM, THE BAND STAND OR GAZEBO FROM, UH, ALAMO PLAZA. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE VERY, UM, AWARE OF AND ARE GONNA BE CONSIDERATE AND VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THE PLACEMENT OF THAT WITHIN THE, THE CONTEXT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS MAKING SURE THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH SIGHT LINES AND IT IS NOT, UM, SURE IF YOU WILL, FROM, UH, WHETHER IT'S THE BRIDGE OR VIEW SHED, UM, DOWNTOWN. 
          AND SO WE'RE VERY AWARE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID HERE IN THE, UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, WAS WANTING TO MAINTAIN THOSE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT PUBLIC GREEN SPACE. 
          AND SO WHILE WE'RE ALL, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT NOW IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, WE DO FULLY INTEND AND, AND WE HAD MADE THIS, UM, CLEAR PREVIOUSLY AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT THAT ISN'T THE END OF THE DIALOGUE. 
          UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PART DONE RIGHT. 
          UM, AND SO SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD AND BE SUPPORTED BY H D R C, UM, WE WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, 
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ORGANIZE A MEETING AND TALK ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF IT. 
          BUT EVEN BEYOND THE PLACEMENT OF IT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID WE WOULD ALWAYS DO IS WE DON'T HAVE MONEY RIGHT NOW TO FULLY DEVELOP THE PARK. 
          SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN THAT CONCEPT PLAN, UM, WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A FUTURE BOND PROJECT THAT WOULD FUND IT. 
          BUT WE DID MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR WAYS TO, UM, CONNECT THE COMMUNITY THERE TO THE PUBLIC GREEN SPACE. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE WAY TO DO IT IS TO GREEN IT UP, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO LOOKING AT A TREE PLANTING, UM, PLAN THAT WOULD FIT WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BRING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE THEM BE PART OF THAT PLANNING PROCESS, NOT ONLY TO BRING IT UP, IF YOU WILL, BUT THEN BACK TO MAKING SURE IT'S PLACEMENT OF THE BANDSTAND IS CONSIDERATE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD IN, IN PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. 
          AND, UM, AND I DID SPEAK LAST WEEK, UH, WITH LIZ FRANKLIN. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, UH, CAME ACROSS IN IN HER VOICE, A MESSAGE TO EVERYONE WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE THAT, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH, WITH WHAT WE SAID THERE AT THE END OF, UM, DECEMBER THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR. 
          UM, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO THAT. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL STOP THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR, UM, YOU THINK THERE'S SOMETHING SANDY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEN I ONLY WANNA GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SHARE AS WELL. 
          I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          SO I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL AS YOU STATED THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY BE FULLY INVOLVED, UM, FOR ITEMS THAT ARE BEING PLACED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT THEY HAVE INPUT AS TO, YOU KNOW, PLACEMENT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HEARD. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY, MY POSITION HERE. 
          AND I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS CHAIRMAN, SORRY. 
          THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH A SECOND. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ NAYYY COMMISSIONER ALES AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AYE. 
          CHAIRMAN  AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER  AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          GREAT. 
          [20-3286 Address/Description: 3903 N ST MARYS ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-177 Landmark Name: Individual Landmark RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: Jeffrey Watson/Alamo Architects Request: Signage and art installations City Council Dist.: 2]
UM, THIS LEADS US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 39 0 3 ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          UM, THIS ITEM IS PULLED FOR, UM, DISCUSSION BY COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, EDWARD HALL IS GONNA HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, PARK STAFF AS WELL AS PUBLIC WORK STAFF HERE ON THE CALL AS WELL. 
          WELL, AND WE CAN, CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION PLEASE? YES. 
          BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UM, THIS IS SHANNON MILLER. 
          UM, I JUST, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS, THAT WAS RAISED, AT LEAST ONE OF 'EM WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE ADDRESS THAT WAS USED. 
          AND SO I JUST WANTED TO, UM, EXPLAIN TO COMMISSIONERS AND TO OTHERS LISTENING THAT, UM, THAT WE DID VERIFY THAT THE ADDRESS IS CORRECT, THAT PARKING GARAGE IS PARKING, UM, OFFICIALLY ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE ZOO. 
          UM, IT IS ONE OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE COMPLEX THAT IS THE ZOO. 
          AND, UM, THAT MAIN ADDRESS OBVIOUSLY IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT TWO. 
          WHILE SOME OF THE COMPLEX DOES EXPAND INTO, INTO DISTRICT ONE AND THE PARKING GARAGE SITS, THE, THE PARKING GARAGE PORTION IS IN DISTRICT ONE. 
          UM, THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS WERE MET BECAUSE THE, THE, UM, ADDRESS THAT WAS LISTED IS THE CORRECT, UM, LEGAL ADDRESS FOR THE PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, CLARIFICATION I JUST 
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WANTED TO MAKE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, DISCUSSION THAT I, THAT WILL BE, UM, UM, THAT THE REACHES OVER INTO CONTENT. 
          AND JUST A REMINDER THAT THE PURVIEW OF H D R C IS OF COURSE DESIGNED, UM, LOCATION AND, AND PLACEMENT AND, UM, HOW THINGS ARE INSTALLED. 
          AND, AND OVERALL DESIGN IS CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. 
          BUT, UM, THE QUESTION OF CONTENT IS REALLY OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, YOUR CHARGE IS TO REVIEW, UM, DESIGNS AS SUBMITTED TO YOU BY, UM, BY OUR APPLICANTS. 
          SO JUST A QUICK REMINDER, UH, FOR, FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I, UM, THE COMMISSIONER WHO PULLED, UH, THE ITEM. 
          AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, BUT I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CASE. 
          UH, I WATCHED THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING ABOUT THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT LAST WEEK, AND I WAS SURPRISED TO HEAR SO MANY REFERENCES TO THE H D R C AND THE H D R C REVIEW PROCESS RE RELATING TO THE FUNDING REQUEST. 
          UH, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING TODAY. 
          WE'RE REVIEWING THE APPLICATION FOR SIGNAGE. 
          BUT THE FIRST TIME ANY H D R C COMMISSIONERS WERE PRESENTED WITH ANY ELEMENTS RELATING TO THE SIGNAGE TO BE CLEAR, WAS THAT A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON MAY 5TH, IN WHICH NO MEMBER OF THE NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WERE INVITED. 
          UM, THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, PUBLIC PROCESS FORUM, AT LEAST FOR US, WHICH ANY OF THESE ELEMENTS ARE BEING PRESENTED. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, WHEN PREPARING FOR THIS, FOR THIS AGENDA THIS WEEK, I WAS, I WAS GENUINELY SURPRISED THAT THE APPLICATION DATE FOR THIS PROJECT WAS ON MAY 1ST. 
          UM, GIVEN THAT OUR BACKLOG IS SO SUBSTANTIAL TO WARRANT SPECIAL MAKEUP SESSIONS THIS MONTH, MAYBE ANOTHER NEXT MONTH DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. 
          AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS, UH, WHICH IS A PUBLIC PROJECT, GETS RUSHED TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE FOR BOTH SIGNED REVIEW COMMITTEE HEARING AND H C R C AGENDA AHEAD OF SO MANY CITIZEN APPLICATIONS, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN FILED AND HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A DECISION, UH, FROM US FROM BEFORE THE CURRENT CRISIS BEGAN. 
          SO I, I AGREE WITH MANY OF THE CITIZENS THAT SPOKE, UH, TODAY ASKING FOR MORE TIME FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. 
          UM, I, I WOULD SPECIFICALLY, UH, LIKE THE, THE NEIGHBORS OF THE PROJECT, UH, TRINITY INCARNATE, WERE, UM, THE STADIUM FOLKS HAVE A CHANCE TO COMMENT PUBLICLY ON, ON THIS. 
          AND I'M, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE ITEM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S CUSTOMARY IN THIS FORUM THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS, COMMENT BEFORE I DO. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO LET MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KNOW, UH, THAT IF I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, I INTEND TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THIS APPLICATION BE CONTINUED, UH, TO A HEARING NO EARLIER THAN THE THIRD WEEK IN JUNE, UH, WHICH APPROXIMATES KIND OF AN ORDINARY 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD THAT THAT IS ESTABLISHED FOR US, UH, TO UTILIZE, TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT AND REVIEW AND FEEDBACK THAT'S BEEN RE REQUESTED BY A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC, UH, IN THE CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, I THINK IS A HIGHLY VISIBLE, UH, PUBLICLY FUNDED PROJECT. 
          AND THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL TIME IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE. 
          AND I, I THINK I SAW GO BEYOND THE LINE. 
          UH, BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD ADDITIONALLY REQUEST THAT IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE PROJECT REPRESENTATIVES CONSULT THE CITY ARCHITECT FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION, THOSE COMMENTS BE PROVIDED TO THIS COMMISSION PRIOR TO A FUTURE HEARING. 
          AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THERE OR THE STAFFS, OR RATIONALE RATHER BETWEEN THE SIGNAGE, UH, THE SIGNAGE DESIGNATION OF THE PUBLIC ART DESIGNATION AS IT PERTAINS TO THE LARGE ANIMALS. 
          UM, AND IF THIS IS CONSIDERED ART RATHER THAN SIGNAGE, UM, WHAT PROCESS THAT WOULD, UH, ORDINARILY GO THROUGH. 
          UM, CURTIS, I, I, I'M GONNA LET ROSIE OR OR HOMER, UH, ANSWER, RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION. 
          BUT I WILL SAY, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT WHILE, WHILE IT IS ART, IT IS NOT PUBLIC ART IN THE TECHNICAL SENSE OF THE TERM, IT IS NOT FUNDED PUBLIC ART THAT GOES, THAT IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH LIKE, UM, THE PUBLIC ART BOARD. 
          BUT I'M GONNA LET ROSIE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT, UM, MORE TO THAT. 
          UM, UH, AND THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          I, I ALSO HAVE A COMMENT THAT I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THIS NECESSARILY WAS A QUESTION, UH, THAT, UH, WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, PRESENTED. 
          SO I, I WAS JUST, I JUST, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, TO ADD A, A 
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COUPLE OF DETAILS. 
          NOW, I, I AGREE THAT, THAT, THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT IT QUALIFIES AS OUR, AS MUCH OF THE WAY THAT THE, THE, A MISSION DRIVE-IN, UH, WAS A RECREATION OF WHAT WAS CONSIDERED SIGNAGE. 
          UM, AND IT'S A VERY HARD THING TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          BUT I, I THINK IF THE CREATOR SAYS IT'S NOT HARD, THEN IT, THEN IT'S SIGNAGE. 
          UM, UH, BUT, BUT I, I, I, I DO THINK THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE KIND OF THE CONTINUANCE OR THE DELAY, AND THIS IS MORE TO SHANNON SHANNON THAN, THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 
          I IF, IF THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THERE TO BE A MAJORITY VOTE ON A DELAY, THEN IT, IT DOES PROVIDE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SEND, UH, NOTICES TO, TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IN THE DISTRICTS THAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS LOCATED. 
          AND IT, IT JUST, I JUST THINK IN TERMS OF SETTING A PRECEDENT, UM, IF, IF, IF NOT DOING IT SINCE A PRECEDENT, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT, THAT THE CITY WILL CONTACT ANYONE WITHIN THE DISTRICTS THAT, THAT A BUILDING SITS IN. 
          BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, TO ME IT INVITES JUST A, A, A, AN UNNECESSARY CONTROVERSY. 
          BUT, BUT PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF A VOICE COMMISSIONER. 
          THIS ISN'T, WE MAY HAVE A DELAY ANYWAY. 
          UM, SO I, I, I, I JUST GETTING FOOD FOR THOUGHT, UH, IT'S MY OPINION THAT WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS KNOW THAT WHEN THEY DO BUSINESS WITH THE H D R C OR WITH THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION, THAT, THAT WE WILL DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO, TO GO WITH THE MOST, UM, UM, EXTREME, UH, REPRESENT REPRESENTATION OF OUR, OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH WOULD BE DISTRICT ONE, UH, UH, PEOPLE SHOULD BE BROUGHT INTO IT. 
          UH, SURE. 
          UM, YEAH, TO CLARIFY, JUST ONE, ONE, JUST 1, 1, 1 MORE PIECE. 
          UH, THAT, THAT IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD OR, OR COMMENTS OF, OF, OF FELLOW COMMISSIONER FISH ALSO, THAT, THAT, UM, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THAT, THAT EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS A VOICE, HAS A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH INTO IT. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE MINDFUL OF NEW IDEAS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRESENTATION OF, OF SOMETHING THAT MAY BE STRANGE TO SAN ANTONIO, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S IMPACTFUL AND, AND, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM SAN ANTONIO, BEING BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO, BEING ONE OF THESE KIDS THAT THEY TOOK YOU TO, TO THE ZOO, AND THEN THEY TOOK YOU TO BUTTER CREST, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR, OF OUR HEARTS AND MINDS HERE, THAT BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          BUT IT COULD BE ARGUED THAT WITHOUT THE ZOO, BRACKENRIDGE PARK WOULDN'T BE BRACKENRIDGE PARK. 
          SO, SO THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF GATEWAYS AND I, I'M JUST ASKING MY COMMISSIONERS AS WE, AS WE DELAY AND, AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK VERY DEEPLY ABOUT THIS, THAT WE'RE ALSO ENCOURAGED TO ENCOURAGE NEW IDEAS AND NOT, NOT, NOT JUST CONSTANTLY JUST, UH, DEAL WITH STATUS QUO. 
          UH, AND THEN THAT'S ALL . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, UM, DEPENDENT THE WHAT WHATEVER COUNCIL DISTRICT, IT, IT IS, IT IS IN, DOES NOT IMPACT THE TYPE OF NOTIFICATION THAT GOES OUT. 
          SO, UM, PEOPLE ABSOLUTELY RECEIVED THE SAME NOTICE. 
          I MEAN, SIGNS WERE POSTED, THE AGENDA WAS POSTED, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS REQUIRED. 
          AND SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT LIKE STANDARD NOTICE NOTICES WERE MET, AND OBVIOUSLY AS IS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT WE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENTS, CLEARLY PEOPLE KNEW THAT , THAT THE ITEM WAS BEING HEARD. 
          SO, UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE RAZZIE, OR MAYBE HOMER, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION OF THAT A, THAT THE TWO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ASKED SO FAR ABOUT, UM, INPUT. 
          AND THEN ALSO I DO SEE THAT GOPI IS ON THE LINE, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. 
          SO I JUST, I THOUGHT ONE OF YOU MIGHT WANNA RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER FISH'S QUESTION ABOUT THAT AS WELL. 
          WHY NOT? LET ME START FIRST. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. 
          FIRST OF ALL, FOR US, THIS IS REALLY NOT AN ART. 
          THIS IS A SIGNAGE. 
          IF IT WAS ART, USUALLY PAID FROM ART FUND, IT'S NOT PAYING FROM THE ART PLAN, IT'S PAYING FROM THE PROJECT. 
          WE HAD ALMOST YEAR COOPERATION AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE USERS AND WHOEVER'S GOING TO MAINTAIN, WHICH IS PARK DEPARTMENT ZOO, AND RIDGE PARK. 
          EARLY LAST YEAR, WHEN WE SUBMIT THE REGIONAL PLAN FOR H D R C APPROVAL, WE NEVER HAD BRECKENRIDGE PARK NAME ON THE BUILDING. 
          MAY OF LAST YEAR. 
          IT WAS REQUESTED BY BRECKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY TO 
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INCLUDE THEIR NAME ON THE BUILDING. 
          IT MADE SENSE. 
          WE END UP INCLUDING ONE. 
          THEN WE HAD ONE MORE BY THE INTERNET, AND WE HAVE DONE SIMILAR SINCE WORKING WITH THEM REFINERY. 
          NOW, THIS IS REALLY A COMPROMISE. 
          ORIGINALLY WE HAD NONE OF THEIR NAME, AND NOW WE HAVE TWO PLACES. 
          THE ONE IS, UM, THREE FOOT FARTHER BY TIGER, AND THEN WE HAVE A SMALLER ONE BY THE INTERNS. 
          I THINK WE HAVE DONE, WE BELIEVE ENOUGH, UH, COORDINATION AND COOPERATION AND COMPROMISE BETWEEN PARKS AND ZOO AND ALSO RIDGE CON CONSERVANCY. 
          I DON'T KNOW, HOMER, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK YOU HIT THE, THE HIGH POINTS. 
          I, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, WITH THIS, UH, DESIGN BUILD, UM, SERVICE DELIVERY, UM, WE DID HAVE AND GO BE IN ON THE PROJECT. 
          SO THIS HAS, UM, BEEN A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, NOT, UM, TO EXCLUDE PUBLIC WORKS. 
          THEY ARE CHARGED WITH DELIVERY. 
          UM, WE PARKS ARE THE CLIENT DEPARTMENT, AND THIS IS A CITY, UH, PROJECT. 
          AND, UM, SO THERE WAS THAT LEVEL OF INPUT BY THE CITY ARCHITECT. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT'S KNOWN. 
          UM, AND TO ROSIE'S POINT, THERE WAS NOT ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS FIRST WAS CONCEIVED, UH, DID NOT HAVE THE PARK NAME. 
          AND, UM, WHEN THAT CAME UP, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY VERY, AND SAID, HEY, IT NEEDS TO HAVE THE PARK NAME ON THERE. 
          AND WE, WE AGREED IT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THAT OUTREACH TO OCCUR. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THERE FOR. 
          IT WAS NOT INTENDED THAT THERE BE ANY, UH, OVERSIGHT OR ANY DIS ANY, YOU KNOW, UM, ONES DISMISSED DURING THE, THE DIALOGUE. 
          AND SO WHEN THAT CAME TO THE CITY, WHILE IT WAS KNOWN AT THE TIME THAT THERE WAS NOT ANY FUNDING, UM, SIGNAGE AND EVEN WALKWAYS THAT WOULD GET YOU OUT OF THE GARAGE OUT INTO THE PARK AND ZOO, UM, WE REACHED OUT, WE CITY STAFF, RIGHT? THE DEPARTMENTS APPROACHED, UM, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE MADE AWARE OF A REQUEST, UM, AND WORKED WITH BUDGET TO IDENTIFY FUNDS IN THE CURRENT YEAR, ADOPTED BUDGET SO THAT WE COULD PROCEED AND DELIVER, UH, A GOOD QUALITY PUBLIC PARKING GARAGE. 
          AND SO WE SEE THE PROGRESSION OF WHERE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH TO, TO DELIVER THIS, WORKING WITH CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE AND LEADERSHIP TO IDENTIFY FUNDS TO IT, AND THEN MOVE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT TODAY CO COMMUNICATING BACK TO THE RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY, THAT, THAT OURS NOW MONEY IN THE BUDGET. 
          AND SO THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE PARK NAME ON THE GARAGE AND, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO IT. 
          AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WELL, NO, WE NEED IT MORE THAN, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO IT IN. 
          AND SO THE DESIGN WHO'S, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ME IS WHERE DO HIGH VISIBILITY FOR THIS? AND SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON 2 81, YOU SEE BRECKENRIDGE PARK, THE GARAGE, OR AT THAT LEVEL, YOU'RE CATCHING THAT. 
          SO IF YOU'RE ON NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S HEADING TO ZOO, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE TURN AT THE ROUND AVENUE HEADING UP TO THE, YOU SEE IT AGAIN, YOU APPROACH THE GARAGE, UM, THERE ON RETAINING WALL. 
          AND SO NOT ONLY IS IT VISIBLE AT STREET LEVEL FOR TRAVELING TO THE PARK, BUT EVEN FOR PEDESTRIANS. 
          SO LOOKING AND UTILIZING THAT LENGTH AND RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE THAT WE PROCEED WITH, THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE CONSERVANCY, UM, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY THEY WERE WILLING TO, UM, ACCEPT. 
          THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE NAME AT, UH, ALTERNATE LOCATION, BUT LOOKING AT THE PROGRESSION OF THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, AND THEN LOOK AT THOSE HIGH BEST POINTS. 
          THAT WAS THEN THE DECISION THAT I SHARED WITH THEM THAT WE WOULD BE ENDORSING. 
          SO LAST WEEK, THE ITEM WAS TO AMEND THE DESIGN BUILD CONTRACT SO THAT THE PROCESS COULD MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, WITHOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T 
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BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO HERE WE ARE, WE SAID THAT WE WOULD COME TO H D R C SO THAT THIS CAN BE SEEN AND OFFER THESE PERSPECTIVES. 
          AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT FROM WHERE IT STARTED TO WHERE WE'RE AT, IT IS NOT THE STATUS QUO. 
          WE VERY CLEARLY HEARD, UM, HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THE PROJECT, SOFTEN THE EDGES IN THIS SIDE OF THE PARK, UM, AND ALONG THE WAY, WORKING WITH OUR PARK TENANTS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, HAVE A PROJECT THAT OFFERS SIGNAGE NOT ONLY FOR THE ZOO, BUT ALSO, UH, THE PARK. 
          THIS IS NOT PUBLIC ART. 
          VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT IS, AND WITH THE CONSERVATIVE, WITH DO WITH THE TEAM, YOU'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS JUST, UH, A DESIGN ENHANCEMENT OR A WRAP FOR THE GARAGE. 
          IT'S GONNA SOLVE FOR, FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOT OF CONCRETE. 
          SO I WANTED TO OFFER THAT TIMELINE SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S BEEN COLLABORATION, THERE'S BEEN A PROGRESSION, WE HAVE MOVED THE NEEDLE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED TO RIGHT SIZE THESE CONCEPTS, IF YOU WILL, THAT ARE, UH, SIGNAGE FOR THE GARAGE TO GET IT WITHIN BUDGET. 
          AND SO, UM, SO THE, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UM, I CAN ADDRESS. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT ROZY SHARED, UH, A LITTLE BIT, AND SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CONTINUE, UH, TO WORK WITH OUR  EVEN ONCE THIS IS DONE, THERE'S A LOT ON PARK, A LOT OF, UM, POSITIVE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH THE, WITH THE BOND PROGRAM. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT CO COLLABORATION PROCESS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED. 
          THIS PARK IS, UM, FOR, FOR EVERYBODY, IT'S THE, NOT JUST TIED TO ONE DISTRICT, BUT ALL OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND SO A DIALOGUE OFF END OF THE DAY, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE MADE ARE GONNA BE THOSE THAT I'M MAKING A, UH, DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND WHERE WE CAN MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS TO, YOU KNOW, RECEIVE THE FEEDBACK AND THEN PUT INTO MOTION, UM, THAT WE'RE DOING THAT IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK WE DID ULTIMATELY IS NOT NECESSARILY WHERE I THINK THE CONSERVANCY WANTED TO SEE THE PARK NAME, BUT THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          IF I COULD KIND OF FOLLOW UP HERE, UM, HOMER, UH, RAZZI, I HEARD BOTH OF YOU MENTION THAT THE, THE PLANS THAT WERE REVIEWED BY THE H C R C PREVIOUSLY FOR THE PARKING GARAGE HAD INCLUDED SOME SIGNAGE ELEMENTS. 
          I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THOSE WERE EXCLUDED FROM OUR REVIEW. 
          THEY WERE EXCLUDED FROM OUR COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. 
          AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, UH, WE WE'RE REVIEWING THAT. 
          SO, UH, THERE WAS, I, I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE SIGNAGE THAT WAS KIND OF INCLUDED MAYBE IN EARLIER, UH, IN AN EARLIER PACKAGE, UH, THAT WASN'T FOR UP FOR REVIEW, UH, HAD SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS, BUT TO SUGGEST FOR, FOR US, THAT THAT WAS A STARTING PLACE. 
          THAT THERE'S BEEN MOVEMENT, I MEAN, IN MY MIND IS IRRELEVANT. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE DISCUSSING THE SIGNAGE PUBLICLY, UH, AT LEAST IN THIS FORUM. 
          WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT PREVIOUSLY TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, UH, , YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          YOU DID NOT PROVE THE SIGN IN JANUARY, 2019. 
          BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO MENTION ORIGINAL IDEA DID NOT THE SIGN I DIDN'T MENTION YOU APPROVE THE SIGN. 
          NO, YOU DID NOT. 
          THIS, I'M GONNA CLARIFY ONE MORE THING. 
          LAST THURSDAY QUESTION WAS ASKED FROM, FROM ME AND PALMER, WHERE IS THIS GARAGE IS LOCATED? I PERSONALLY INDICATED GARAGE IS PHYSICALLY LOCATED IN CONSULT DISTRICT ONE AND ADDRESSES IN CONSULT DISTRICT, TOO. 
          IT IS VERY ACCURATE INFORMATION. 
          WE DIDN'T MISLEAD ANYBODY PHYSICALLY. 
          BUILDING IS IN DISTRICT ONE, BUT ADDRESS IS IN DISTRICT TWO. 
          THAT'S THE ACCURATE INFORMATION, WHICH SHANNON HAS CONFIRMED THAT. 
          UM, I JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN. 
          I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IN THIS FORUM. 
          ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HERE ACT AT LARGE ON BEHALF OF THE WHOLE CITY. 
          UH, NO ONE COMMISSIONER HAS ANY 
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PARTICULAR GREATER WEIGHT THAN ANOTHER ONE ON THESE ISSUES. 
          UH, THIS IS ILA. 
          UM, I, I, I DO WANT TO COMMEND THE DEPARTMENTS FOR COMING UP WITH A SUCH A, A CREATIVE AND PLAYFUL WAY TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          WHEN I THINK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POPULATIONS IN THE CITY, THAT THE ZOO IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE CHILDREN. 
          AND I THINK MANY TIMES WE ADULTS LOOK AT THESE THINGS, WE COMPLICATE 'EM, WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WOULD DO. 
          LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THAT AND I WOULD PUT SEVEN ANTONIO ZOO IN BRECKENRIDGE PARK, RIGHT? THAT SHOULD SOLVE EVERYBODY'S PROBLEMS. BUT THEN I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF I WAS A CHILD, IF I WAS A CHILD AND I WAS DRIVING DOWN 21, I WOULD BE PULLING AT MY DAD'S ARM SAYING, DAD, DAD, THE ZOO, I WANNA GO TO THE ZOO. 
          AND I THINK IT ACHIEVES, UH, IT ACHIEVES THAT. 
          I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON, ON ALLOWING YOURSELVES TO REALLY GO THE DISTANCE THAT I WISH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WOULD GO MORE OFTEN. 
          AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A SIGN THAT INDEED IT IS, UH, SO, UH, A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          AND TO COMMISSIONERS AND, AND, AND COMMISSIONER FISH WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. 
          I, I KNOW THAT, THAT, UH, WELL INTENDED AND, AND, AND, UH, A GOOD IDEA TO, UM, UH, AS FOR A CONTINUANCE, I, I I, I, AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH, WOULD WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT COULD BE A PARKING GARAGE WITH A SIGN, AND IT WOULD BE PERFECTLY FINE, AND WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A SIGN. 
          UH, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT'S REALLY OUTSIDE THE BOX, MIGHT MAKE A LOT OF ADULTS, UH, VERY UNHAPPY, BUT PROBABLY WOULD MAKE A LOT OF CHILDREN VERY HAPPY. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, A MOTION, I, I WISH THAT THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. 
          UH, I, I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR MOTION, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER, UH, ALLOWING THIS TO, TO MOVE ON AND, UH, MAYBE WITH A STIPULATION THAT THERE'LL BE FURTHER INPUT. 
          BUT, UH, I, I REALLY HATE THE IDEA OF GETTING IN INVOLVED IN THE S SQUAD, BE BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT FEEL THAT THEY'RE MORE IMPORTANT. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK TO MOST SAN ANTONIOS, WHEN YOU COME IN FROM THIS DIRECTION, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO THE ZOO. 
          UH, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER AREAS TO, TO CREATE CREATIVE MARKERS THAT RESPECT THE PARK AND, AND, AND THE INDIGENEITY OF ANIMALS AND ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UH, SO NEED OF OPPORTUNITIES. 
          UM, BUT THIS JUST SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS READY TO GO BY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, A FEW MINUTES TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, UM, OF, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH'S, UH, POTENTIAL MOTION TO, TO, UH, DO A CONTINUANCE ON THIS. 
          AND FOR THESE REASONS, I TOO WATCH THE, UH, SEA COUNCIL'S HEARING ON THIS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR THAT ALL PARTIES ARE, ARE SUPPORTING, UH, THE EXTENT THE, THE, THE FUNDS AND THE, THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE, UH, DESIGN CONCEPT FOR THE ARTWORK. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WITHIN THE, OUR PURVIEW, UH, I SUPPORT IT AS WELL FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT. 
          I THINK IT, UH, IT, UH, IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A FANTASTIC ASSET. 
          AND, BUT WE DO BEGIN TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE HAVING TO, UH, MEDIATE BETWEEN TWO OF OUR CHILDREN AS ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE SAID ON THURSDAY. 
          AND, UH, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSION BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE HERE TO, UH, REVIEW THE AESTHETICS OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE PROPOSAL, BUT WE'RE ALSO HERE TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS A FAIR AND EQUITABLE AND TRANSPARENT, UH, HEARING SINCE WE'RE BEING USED AS PART OF THE, UH, PUBLIC PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD BE IN, IN, UH, FAVOR OF, OF CONTINUING IT. 
          THE OTHER REASON WHY I'D BE IN FAVOR OF IT'S, 'CAUSE I THINK BOTH PARTIES ARE VERY REASONABLE ABOUT THIS. 
          I THINK THEY BOTH HAVE VERY VALID CONCERNS. 
          UH, THE, UH, THE ZOO FOLKS DO NOT WANT TO HAVE THIS THING BE LIKE A NASCAR WHERE IT'S OVERSIGHT, WHERE IT'S OVER, UH, GRAPHIC, UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF EVERY STAKEHOLDER IN THE PARK AREA HAS THEIR, THEIR LOGO AND GRAPHICS ON THERE. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT, UH, CONCERN. 
          BUT I THINK ALSO THE REQUESTS, UH, THAT THE PARK CONSERVANCY FOLKS HAVE, HAVE MADE IS ALSO EQUALLY REASONABLE. 
          AND, AND I THINK AN EQUITABLE SOLUTION CAN BE FOUND HERE. 
          I THINK THE REASONABLENESS OF THE, UH, ARTS CONSERVANCY, UH, REQUEST IS ALSO  BY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDS. 
          SO THIS DOESN'T IMPACT OR SLOW DOWN THE, THE PROJECT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. 
          SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF CONTINUANCE OF THIS PROJECT. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          AND, UH, 
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I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER THAN, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF, UM, CONTINUANCE SO THAT, UH, THE PARTIES CAN CONTINUE TO, TO, UM, NEGOTIATE TO A, A REASONABLE SOLUTION WHERE, UM, WE HAVE MORE PUBLIC INPUT. 
          AND THAT, UH, I THINK THE, THE CONSERVANCY'S CONCERN ABOUT, UM, VIEW OF THE, ON THE, UH, TOWER FACING 2 81 IS A VALID CONCERN. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE AS WELL, UM, FROM ALAMO ARCHITECTS. 
          UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION, HE'S AVAILABLE AS WELL. 
          UM, IF NOT, WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE, MAKE THE MOTION. 
          UH, I MOVE, UH, TO CONTINUE TO A HEARING THOUGH EARLIER THAN THE THIRD WEEK IN JUNE, WHICH APPROXIMATES THE ORDINARY 60 DAY REVIEW PERIOD, UH, WE TYPICALLY, UH, HAVE FOR THESE PROCESSES. 
          AND, UH, AND I HOPE TO GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM, UM, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE AREA, UH, IN THAT TIME PERIOD. 
          SO THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER PE, I SECOND THAT. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER YE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AYE. 
          CHAIR,  AYE. 
          THANK COMMISSIONER . 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, NOW 
          [20-3265 Address/Description: 602 KAMPMANN BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2020-112 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Jeffrey Olivarri /OLIVARRI RAY J & ANGELITA Z Request: Front door replacement City Council Dist.: 7]
WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. UM, SO I WILL, UH, ASK, ASK WE, SO LET'S UNMUTE WE, UM, AND HE WILL LEAVE THAT ITEM TO THE RECORD AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APP WE, ARE YOU THERE? OBJECT? YES. 
          AGENDA TO ITEM NUMBER 27, CASE NUMBER 20 21 12 AT 6 0 2 CAMPTON. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FRONT SET OF DOORS WITH NEW STEEL DOORS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B. 
          THE EXISTING DOOR IS ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE AND SHOULD BE REPAIRED. 
          IF THE APPLICANT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT THE DOOR IS BEYOND REPAIR AT, OR THAT A SIMILAR STYLE DOOR TO THE ONE THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE STYLE, THE DOOR MAY BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, THE CASE COMMENT, THIS DID GO TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AFTER THE MAY 1ST HEARING, AND I'LL READ THAT COMMENT REAL QUICK. 
          IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMMISSION ACTION ISSUE AT THE H G R C HEARING ON MAY 1ST, 2020, THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE DESIGNER REVIEW COMMITTEE ON MAY 5TH. 
          COMMITTEE MEMBERS COMMENTED ON THE PROPOSED DOORS WERE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE, BUT REPLACEMENT SHOULD ONLY BE CONSIDERED WHEN THE ORIGINAL DOORS ARE BEYOND REPAIR. 
          COMMITTEE MEMBERS ALSO ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE PHOTOS FOR EACH WINDOW AND DOOR ON THE HOUSE TO CONSIDER HOW THE FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT IMPACTS THE TOTAL HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE. 
          AT THIS TIME, I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT, JEFF, ON THE PHONE. 
          HELLO AGAIN EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. 
          UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          UM, IF, IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE ANY UPDATES TO THE COMMISSIONERS SINCE D R C I CAN MOVE TO THOSE NOW. 
          OKAY, I'LL, I WILL DO THAT NOW. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL, UM, LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM AMBER TS, UM, THAT'S ON GRAMERCY, SHE SUPPORTS. 
          UM, ALSO WE HAVE A QUICK LETTER FROM REBECCA PERRYMAN 360 1 CLUB DRIVE FOR SUPPORT, 
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UM, JENNIFER CATO AT 6 23 CANMAN. 
          I BELIEVE THE UPDATES BEING PERFORMED OF HIS HOME WILL ONLY INCREASE THE VALUE OF OUR AREA. 
          PLEASE APPROVE HIS REQUEST. 
          ALFRED GOMEZ 6 0 6 CANMAN SAYS, I THINK JEFF RI PLANS FOR HIS FRONT, WHO IS AMAZING, VERY HIGH END AND WILL ADD TO THE VALUE OF HIS HOME. 
          I LIVE ON THE SAME SIDE AS HE DOES. 
          OUR HOMES ARE MOSTLY ONE LEVEL MID RANCH, MID-CENTURY MODERN. 
          UM, WE ARE WANTING TO MAKE HIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, EVEN BETTER AND WITH GREAT TASTE, HOPEFULLY HIS CASE WILL BE APPROVED. 
          CATHERINE LEE AT 1 38 NORTH SAYS I AM FINE WITH HIM CHANGING THE DOORS TO A DIFFERENT NICER DESIGN AND LIVE AND OWN IN THE HOOD AT 1 38 NORTH DRIVE AND WALKED BY HIS HOME FREQUENT. 
          UM, LLOYD NEWTON, UM, SAYS I HAVE BEEN, I HAVE SEEN THE PROPOSED DOORS AND THINK THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY MATCH THE HOUSE EXTREMELY WELL, UM, BUT WILL MAKE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I HEARTILY ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE HIS APPLICATION JONES JENKINS, UM, IN 1927 WEST MAGNOLIA AND IMPROVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY IMPROVING ITS CURB APPEAL. 
          UM, ARTURO MARTINEZ. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THE HEARING, CONCERNING INSTALLATION OF NEW DOORS AT 6 0 2 CANMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPROVAL FOR THESE DOORS. 
          YOUR FAMILY HAS A LONG HISTORY AT THIS HOUSE AND ALWAYS HAVE THEIR HOUSE LOOKING BEAUTIFUL. 
          I LIVE ONE BLOCK AWAY AND HAVE SEEN THE DOORS AND BELIEVE THEY WOULD BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I URGE YOU TO VOTE AND APPROVAL FOR THESE DOORS. 
          WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          ADAM EMMER, UM, AT 2 39 FUR. 
          UM, A QUICK NOTE TO SAY I'M IN APPROVAL OF THE DOORS THAT JEFF BERRY IS INSTALLING AT 6 0 2 CANMAN AS THEY DO NOT DIMINISH THE HISTORIC QUALITY OF THE PROPERTY NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE IN FACT AND FACT ARE QUITE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          UM, ELIZABETH GONZALEZ AT 2224 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, UM, SAYS, IN SPITE OF CONSIDERING MYSELF A STRONG CONSERVATIONIST, I BELIEVE MR. R'S DOOR, UM, WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO HIS HOME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE. 
          THERE ARE HOUSEWORKS IN THIS DESTROY DESIGNATED AREA IN ORDER REQUIRED PERMITS AND DESTROYING THE CHARACTERS. 
          IN MANY HOMES, MR. RI CARES ABOUT HIS HOME IS MAKING GREAT UPDATES WHILE FOLLOWING THE CURRENT PROTOCOL. 
          BOTH OF THESE BEAUTIFUL METAL DOORS GET APPROVED. 
          UM, CRYSTAL, UH, PRINTING AT 4 31 FIRST SAYS, FOR THE STYLE OF HOME, THE DOORS ARE PLEASING AND FIT THE LOOK OF THE HOME. 
          UM, ALSO GIVEN THE LOCATION, THESE DOORS ARE NOT ONLY VALUE ADDED FOR THE VIEW, BUT FOR SAFETY. 
          THIS IS A VERY BUSY STREET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVING SECURE AND SUBSTANTIAL DOORS IS MUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          BUT TO MENTION AGAIN, UM, THE DOOR ARE VERY NICE TO ARE VERY NICE AND ADD TO THE LOOK OF THE HOME, THESE APPROVED, THESE DOORS AS MOST RE RESIDENTS ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS BOAT. 
          UM, JANELLE MOORE, 2127 WEST WOODLAWN. 
          UM, JEFF HAS POSTED PICTURES OF HIS DESIRED DOOR TO OUR COMMUNITY FACEBOOK GROUP. 
          WE WALK BY HIS HOME ON OUR DAILY EVENING WALK AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIS DOORS APPROVED. 
          WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE NEIGHBORS IN OUR WHO ARE INVESTING IN THEIR HOMES. 
          UM, THE BASKET WE'VE DESIGNED FITS IN WELL WITH THE HOME AND ADD SECURITY WITHOUT SACRIFICE, AESTHETIC APPEAL. 
          UM, AND THEN LASTLY, WE HAVE MARTHA DUKE AT 1 34 NORTH. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN MONTICELLO PARK FOR 35 YEARS. 
          I'VE BEEN A GRAPHIC DESIGNER AND FINE ARTIST FOR 40 PLUS YEARS AND WORKED IN THE ARCHITECTURE INDUSTRY FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS. 
          SO I'M PRETTY WELL VERSED IN DESIGN DECISION MAKING AND ITS IMPORTANCE. 
          WE LOVE THE HISTORIC QUALITY OF OUR HOME AND ARE COMMITTED TO PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF DESIGN AND SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          DOING THE SAME, I HAVE SEEN THE, I HAVE SEEN HIS PRODUCT CHOICE AND IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A WELCOME UPDATE TO HIS HOME. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          I HOPE YOUR COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW MR. VAR TO PROCEED WITH THIS PLAN. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I JUST, UH, I I WAS PROBABLY THE COMMISSIONER THAT ASKED TO REFER THIS TO D R C WHERE WE REVIEWED, UH, THE IMAGES OF THE HOUSE. 
          THE D R C UH, COMMITTEE FELT THAT THE DOOR PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, WAS APPROPRIATE, UH, ALL TO COME TO A CONCLUSION ABOUT, UH, THE, THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE ORIGINAL DOORS, UH, THAT ARE PRESENT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          UH, HAD A WHILE TO THINK ABOUT IT AND, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE ON THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE FENESTRATIONS CONTRIBUTE A GREAT DEAL TO ITS INTEGRITY. 
          UH, THEREFORE I SUPPORT THE APPLICANT IN THIS AND I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          THIS COMMISSIONER GROUP, I'LL SECOND. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          MOTION TO SECOND FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? UH, AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. 
          OH MY GOD. 
          COMMISSIONER QUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER LES AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER 
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? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. 
          CHAIRMAN, FETZER AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER LAO. 
          COMMISSIONER LAOU. 
          MOTION. 
          TERRY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          UM, THE NEXT IS ITEM 28. 
          EDWARD. 
          UM, 
          [20-3231 Address/Description: 903 LABOR ST, 603 HANSFORD ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-124 Historic District Name: Lavaca, Mission Applicant: Andrew Blouet Request: Relocation of a historic structure from the Lavaca Historic District to the Mission Historic District City Council Dist.: 1, 3]
DO YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? EDWARD, ARE YOU THERE? WE NEED UNMUTE. 
          I'M HERE. 
          OKAY, I'M HERE. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 24 9 0 3 LABOR AND 6 0 3 HANSFORD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO RELOCATE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE CURRENTLY LOCATED AT 9 0 3 LABOR STREET WITHIN THE AKIA HISTORIC DISTRICT TO THE VACANT LOT AT 6 0 3. 
          HANSFORD LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE RELOCATED STRUCTURE FEATURE A SETBACK THAT MATCHES THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK. 
          SO COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE WHO'S AVAILABLE FOR, UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THE REQUEST THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS YOU REGARDING WAS THIS PROPOSED SETBACK. 
          CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SETBACK AND THE, AND THE REASONING FOR, UH, NOT AGREEING TO THAT STIPULATION? YEAH, SURE. 
          UM, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? HELLO? YES, WE CAN. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, MY NAME'S ANDREW BLUEWAY AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY. 
          UM, THE MAJOR REASON ABOUT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          THE FIRST IS WE HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN WITH OUR ORDINANCE FOR THE I D V THAT WE HAVE ON THIS LOT, UM, IN, SO DEVELOPMENT ZONE ZONING AND WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW CORRELATES EXACTLY WITH WHAT THAT SITE PLAN MANDATES. 
          NOW, IF WE WERE TO PUSH IT, UM, AS FAR BACK PERHAPS AS MAY BE RECOMMENDING, HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, UH, PARTICULAR EXACTNESS TO, UM, HOW FAR BACK THEY WOULD WANT IT. 
          BUT, UM, IF IT WERE TO GO BACK, UM, MORE THAN THREE FEET, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ABOUT A 10%, UM, YOU CAN DER YOU CAN, UH, MOVE AWAY FROM YOUR SITE PLAN BY ABOUT A 10, 10%, UM, AMOUNT, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PLACE THIS COTTAGE, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR SITE PLAN IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WELL, IF WE WERE TO AGREE TO THE STIPULATION WITHOUT EXACTLY KNOWING WHERE, UM, THEY WOULD PREFER US TO PUT IT, THEN WE COULD FALL OUT OF BOUNDS OF WHAT OUR SITE PLAN MANDATES WITH THE I B D. 
          AND I WAS JUST REVIEWING THE REGULATIONS UNDER THE U D C, THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, UH, REGARDING OUR I D D, WHICH IS, UH, THE PREVIOUS, UM, REGULATION, I THINK, UH, PREVIOUS TO 2018. 
          AND IT SAYS, IF YOU DON'T ADHERE TO YOUR SITE PLAN, THEN YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU WANT. 
          BECAUSE BASICALLY THE, THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN RATIFIED BY CITY COUNCIL THROUGH AN ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY STATING WHERE THE, UM, WHERE THE BUILDING BUILDINGS WILL GO. 
          UM, SO IF THAT HAPPENS, THEN YOUR I B D ZONING IN THEORY, UH, WOULD BE YOU COULDN'T, YOU COULDN'T, UM, PLACE A BUILDING WHERE YOU WANTED TO ANYWHERE ON THE SITE. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO YOUR SITE PLAN ACCORDING TO THE, THE I B D REGULATIONS AND THE D C. 
          BUT, UH, APART FROM THAT, APART FROM THAT REGULATORY BURDEN THAT, UM, IS ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, WE ALSO THINK THAT IT'S A, IT'S JUST A BETTER SITE 
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PLAN TO ORIENT THE BUILDING, THE COTTAGE CLOSER TO THE STREET. 
          WHY DO WE THINK THAT? WE THINK THAT BECAUSE SEVERAL  ONE, IT'S MORE CONDUCIVE TO, UM, GOOD URBAN PLANNING PRACTICE, UM, AND NEW URBANIST TYPES OF PHILOSOPHIES BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, ORIENT THE PARKING AND, UH, PLACE THIS BEHIND THE STRUCTURE. 
          THEREFORE, PARKING, IF, IF WE WERE TO PLACE THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR OF THE, OF THE LOT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS CASE, THE PARKING OFF STREET PARKING WOULD HAVE TO GO AT THE FRONT. 
          AND I THINK AS DESIGN PROFESSIONALS OR AS URBAN PLANNERS OR CITY REPRESENTATIVES, WE CAN ALL AGREE, AND WE'VE ALL SEEN MANY DIFFERENT, UM, EXAMPLES WHERE THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS IMPROVED IF YOU CAN TUCK THE PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING RATHER THAN HAVING PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE, THE PARKING BEING, WELL, AT LEAST TAKING AWAY FROM THE FEATURES OF THE, OF THE, UM, BUILDING ITSELF. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE PARKING THE DOMINANT FEATURE AND DISTRACT FROM SOME OF THE, UM, FINER POINTS OF THIS PARTICULAR COTTAGE. 
          UM, THE OTHER REASONS THAT WE THINK THIS MAKES SENSE ALSO ARE FROM HEALTH SAFETY STANDPOINT. 
          ONE, UH, REASON THIS IS, AND IT MAY SEEM A LITTLE FARFETCHED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE GOLF ARE GOLFERS, BUT I THINK, UM, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO AT THE, UH, P G A CHAMPIONSHIPS, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SPECTATOR GOT HIT IN THE EYE WITH A GOLF BALL AND SHE ENDED UP LOSING HER EYE. 
          WELL, YOU MAY SAY, WELL, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR SITE, ANDREW? WELL, THE THING IS, IS THAT ACROSS THE STREET IS THE RIVERSIDE GOLF COURSE, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SPEAKS TO THE GOLFING PRODUCTS OF SAN ANTONIO IN GENERAL, BUT, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY GOLF BALLS, UM, I'VE PICKED UP OUT OF THESE LOT, OUT OF THIS LOT IN PARTICULAR. 
          AND SO BY HAVING THE HOUSE ORIENTED CLOSER TO THE STREET, THE OUTSIDE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE ENJOYED BY THE NEW OCCUPANT IS, UH, GOING TO BE PROTECTED BY THE COTTAGE FROM ANY ERRANT GOLF FALLS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THAT MAY SEEM, UH, A LITTLE BIT, UM, I DON'T KNOW OUT THERE, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION BECAUSE OF THE, THE VOLUME OF GOLF FALLS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THIS PARTICULAR, UM, OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FROM A HEALTH SAFETY STANDPOINT IS BY ORIENTING THE, UM, OUTSIDE AREA TO BE ENJOYED BY THE NEW OCCUPANTS. 
          THE SHIELD IS A LITTLE BIT FROM THE ROAD, FROM THE BUSY ROAD, AND HANSFORD IS QUITE A BUSY, UM, A BUSY ARTERIAL ROAD. 
          IT'S A, IT'S REALLY ONE OF THE ONLY CUT THROUGHS, UM, THAT MAKES SENSE FROM MISSION, UH, TO ROOSEVELT. 
          AND SO I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHAT IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN PLAYING? I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IF THERE'S A BUSY ROAD, WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE OUR CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE BACKYARD RATHER THAN THE FRONT YARD, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A PHYSICAL BOUNDARY FROM KEEPING PEOPLE FROM RUNNING AFTER A BALL, UH, WITHOUT LOOKING BOTH WAYS ACROSS THE STREET, UH, AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S ALSO AN IMPORTANT HEALTH SAFETY, UM, CONSCIOUSNESS. 
          UH, LASTLY, IF THE PARKINGS AT THE FRONT, THE, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS, UM, IS GOING TO BE OFF OF HANSFORD, AND THAT, AGAIN, IS A HEALTH SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT IT'S MUCH SAFER TO, UH, BACK UP OR TO PULL INTO A, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE BACKING UP ONTO A BUSY STREET, THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION. 
          IT'S MUCH BETTER TO BE BACKING UP ONTO A, UM, A SIDE STREET. 
          AND CALCARE IS THE SIDE STREET HERE AND, UM, AND THAT'S MUCH LESS TRAVELED THAN, UH, HANSFORD IS. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THERE'S A BUS STOP IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OUR SITE, AND I THINK THAT STAFF'S, UM, PRESENTATION DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF ILLUSTRATING WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT WILL BE THE SECOND PICTURE THAT YOU'LL GET TO, UH, REGARDING THE NEW SITE WITH CODE. 
          AND, UH, IT ACTUALLY SHOWS A BUS PARKED AT THE BUS STOP. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD, UM, NOT ONLY, UM, SO THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE PROBLEMS OF, UH, BEING ABLE TO SAFELY INGRESS AND EGRESS PARTICULARLY EGRESS OUT OF ANY DRIVEWAY THAT MAY BE, UH, PLACED AT THE FRONT OF THE, WELL AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND THE ASSOCIATED PARKING THAT GOES WITH THAT. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S 
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SEVERAL HATE HEALTH SAFETY ISSUES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS BESIDES JUST THE, UM, THE REGULATORY HURDLE THAT WE HAVE OF MEETING OUR SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS. 
          LASTLY, I THINK THERE'S A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE WHERE, UM, IF PEOPLE ARE IN THE BACKYARD ENJOYING THE BACKYARD, THERE'S SHIELDED BY THE COTTAGE FROM THE BUSY STREET OF HANSFORD. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT, UM, IF YOU'RE SITTING OUTSIDE, YOU MUCH PREFER TO KIND OF BE IN A, A PLACE THAT'S NOT RIGHT ON THE, ON THE ARTERIAL STREET. 
          YOU'D RATHER BE SHIELDED FROM THAT ARTERIAL STREET AND, UM, BY PLACING THE PARKING AND THE OUTDOOR AREA IN THE BACK THAT AFFORDS, UM, THIS, THIS QUALITY OF LIFE, UH, TO BE ENHANCED. 
          SO FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, STICKING WITH OUR SITE PLAN. 
          THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T, THERE MAY NOT BE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM FOR COMPROMISE, UM, WITHIN THE, UH, PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE CAN DO REGARDING THE SITE PLAN. 
          SO, UM, I'LL LEAVE IT OVER TO YOU. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, AND, AND AN OBSERVATION. 
          HOW WIDE IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S ILLUSTRATED IN THE SITE PLAN? I BELIEVE IT'S 12 FEET. 
          SO THE, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE WITH SETBACKS IS PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THIS WAS RE PLATTED, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS AND THE PARKING FROM THE SIDE STREET HERE MAKES THE MOST SENSE. 
          SO, UH, THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH NEEDS TO DEFINITELY BE 10 FEET WIDE AND NOT 12. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I BELIEVE I C ALLOWS THAT PARKING, UH, THAT DRIVEWAY TO GO UP AGAINST, UH, THE LOT LINE HERE, WHICH, WHICH WOULD OPEN UP, UM, MY GUESS IS THREE TO FIVE FEET TO SHIFT THIS BACK. 
          BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, PARTICULARLY DOWN THE STREET, IS THAT, UH, THERE ISN'T A LOT OF VARIATION IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS HERE. 
          AND THE PATTERN IS, UH, PARTICULARLY WELL ESTABLISHED NOW. 
          I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          IS THE GRAY BOX REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN DOES ACCURATELY REPRESENT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE HOUSE? YES, IT DOES ACCURATELY. 
          UM, WELL, WHICH GRAY BOX YOU REFERRING TO BEFORE I SAY YES? WELL, THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN, I THINK IT'S ON SLIDE EIGHT, IS THAT ACCURATELY REFLECT THE HISTORIC HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S THE CITY, UM, THAT'S STAFF'S PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE, UH, REFERRING TO. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE IT'S YOURS. 
          WHOSE IS IT? RIGHT, IT'S, IT'S THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE POSTED ON. 
          SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? IT IS THE FILE THAT WAS POSTED WITH THE AGENDA. 
          OH, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THAT I BELIEVE IS, UM, STAFFS, UM, SO LET ME, SORRY, TRYING TO, THIS IS THE GRAY BOX OVERLAY ON THE GOOGLE, UM, VIEW. 
          DO, AH, I SEE. 
          I MEAN, I, I ASKED, I I ASKED BECAUSE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THIS HOUSE WHERE IT SITS NOW. 
          IT'S A VERY SMALL HOUSE. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK, UM, ANYTHING SMALLER COULD REASONABLY BE SITUATED ON THIS LOT THE WAY IT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED, UH, GIVEN THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S PRESERVING, UM, HISTORIC PERIOD. 
          I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME LEEWAY HERE. 
          COREY, DID WE, DID WE HEAR THE COMMENTS YET? WE HAVE NOT. 
          I CAN READ THOSE NOW IF WE'RE READY. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST COMES FROM NICK MELDY, UM, FROM THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR SHARING STAFF'S FINDINGS. 
          WE'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEMOLITION OF THIS HOUSE FOR SOME TIME, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT'S BEING SALVA AND WE LOCATED, A BIG CONCERN TO US IS WHAT WILL TAKE ITS PLACE AS DETERMINANTS OF FLORIDA STREET, UM, VIEW A PROMINENT FOCAL POINT AS MOTORIST INTER FROM THE HIGHWAY. 
          AT THIS TIME, SINCE THERE'S BEEN NO REPLACEMENT PLANS SINCE NO REPLACEMENT PLANS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, WHY DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO APPROVE OR SUPPORT THE RELOCATION OFFSITE? THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO RE RELOCATE ON ITS CURRENT SITE. 
          IF WE WERE SIMPLY MOVED, I'M SORRY. 
          IF IT WERE SIMPLY MOVED TO THE CLOSE TO THE CLOSER TO THE CORNER OF VANS AND LABOR AND FRONT ON VANS AND ITS CONTEXT WOULD BE REESTABLISHED WITH THE HISTORIC HOMES ACROSS VANS AND LABOR. 
          UM, WAS THIS DISCUSSED AT ALL IN THE DESIGN REVIEW AT THIS POINT? I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO SUPPORT THIS CASE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHY RELOCATION OFFSITE IS NEEDED IN 
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THE THIS PLACE FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS CASE. 
          ALL THIS COMES FROM PATTY , UM, OF THE, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          UH, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO IS FORCED THE RELOCATION OF 9 0 3 LABOR COTTAGE, UM, FROM THE BLOCK HISTORIC DISTRICT TO THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT AS PROPOSED. 
          WE AGREE THAT THE CURRENT LOCATION HAS LOST ALL HISTORIC CONTEXT AND THE HOUSE IS OF AN, OF AN AGE, SIZE AND STYLE APPROPRIATE TO THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE LOCATION ON HANSFORD STREET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST COMES FROM BRONCO, UH,  MARIO, UH, LIVES AT 5 1 6 OCK. 
          I'M HERE IN SUPPORT. 
          IT'S A VERY INNOVATIVE PROJECT AND SEEMS LIKE A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THANK YOU, COREY. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH, I CONCUR WITH THE, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S COMMENTS ON THE APPROPRIATENESS OF RELOCATING IT TO THIS LOT. 
          UM, I DO, I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE SHIFTED TO THE REAR OF THE LOT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, GIVEN THAT THE DRIVEWAY CAN A, CAN, UM, OCCUR, UH, CLOSER TO THE NORTH HERE AND THAT IT SHOULD BE 10 FEET WIDE. 
          I THINK THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE SHOULD FALL, UH, BETWEEN 12 AND TO, UH, 12 AND 15 FEET. 
          THE, FROM THE REAR LOT LINE, UM, PUSHING, ALLOWING IT TO BE PUSHED BACK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, UH, WHILE MAINTAINING A REAR YARD AND SIDE DRIVE ACCESS THIS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UH, WAS THIS ALSO WHAT WAS REVIEWED AT THE D R C MEETING? SEE, THAT WAS THE B R C MEETING. 
          THIS IS, YEAH, AND SORRY, CHAIRMAN, GO AHEAD. 
          NO, GO AHEAD. 
          STOP. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS WAS GONNA SAY CHAIRMAN AND I ATTENDED THAT D R C AND, UM, THESE, THESE WERE THE, UH, THE GRAPHICS AND MUCH OF THE SAME DISCUSSION AND RATIONALE WAS, UH, DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME BY THE APPLICANT. 
          AND I CAME TO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME CONCLUSION AS COMMISSIONER FISH, THAT GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS, IS A, UH, A RELOCATION, A SALVAGE OF HISTORIC MATERIAL, THAT, UH, AS THAT ONE DES, UH, LETTER DESCRIBED, KIND OF A WIN-WIN FOR BOTH, UM, BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I COULD BE IN SUPPORT OF IT. 
          ALSO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT URBAN INFILL AND MICROHOMES, OFTEN THEY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CONSTRAINTS ON THEM. 
          AND, AND SO IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE'D CERTAINLY BE LOOKING AT THE, AT SIMILAR KIND OF CONSTRAINTS GIVEN THE, HOW THE SITE HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED. 
          SO I THINK IN, IN THE, UH, SUBTOTAL, I COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS THOUGH. 
          I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF SHIFTING IT AS FAR AS PRACTICAL TO THE NORTH BY SLIMMING DOWN THE DRIVE, HAVING THE DRIVE LOCATED, ADJUSTED, UH, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE. 
          UM, AND, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. 
          MUST HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WISHES DISCUSS THIS FOR, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS, UM, BECAUSE IF THIS WAS DISCUSSED IN D R C AND THEN IT COMES BACK WITH THE SAME DRAWING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO? THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          UM, AT THE D R C, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WE DID NOT SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVE. 
          UH, WE WERE QUESTIONING WHETHER THE BUILDING COULD BE, UH, PUSHED FURTHER NORTH, UH, ON THIS SMALL LOT, UH, TO GIVE, UM, SOME MORE FRONT YARD. 
          UH, BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC WAS DISCUSSED. 
          AND IF THAT WAS, THIS IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUE AND THAT WAS A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          I'LL SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, CAN I JUST GET A MOTION WITH THIRSTY STIPULATION ON OUR STIPULA RELATIONS? YES, I'LL, UM, I'LL, UH, CLARIFY THE MOTION THEN. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE LITTLE MORE THAN 10 FEET WIDE AND THAT IT BE RELOCATED, UH, ADJACENT TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE TO PERMIT THE HOUSE TO SHIFT, UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, AND THAT THE APPLICANT REVIEW A FINAL SITE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE WITH STAFF. 
          AND, AND MY SECOND EXCEPT, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, ALTERATION TO THE ORIGINAL MOTIONS. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD ADD AN AMENDMENT TO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ALLOWED. 
          UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE AERIAL, UH, IF YOU ZOOM OUT ON THIS DRAWING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY HAS PUT IN A NEW 
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CURB CUT AND DRIVE FOR THIS PROPERTY ON HANSFORD, AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE IT'S SPLITTING THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND SO, UH, WONDERING IF WE COULD ADD THAT, THAT CURB CUT AND DRIVE BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE FRONT YARD, UH, PARKING MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, I, I HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, SIR. 
          COULD I JUST INTERJECT FOR JUST A QUICK SECOND? YES, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF TRYING TO USE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND, UM, I DO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T, THERE, THERE, THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY PARK ON THAT RIGHT NOW AND, AND, AND BLOCK THE FOOTPATH, THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE GUARDED AGAINST WHAT MY THOUGHT WAS IS THAT, UM, WE COULD PROBABLY, UM, ALTER IT BY PUTTING IN A, UH, A FOOTPATH TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT WOULD BASICALLY MAKE IT KIND OF AN L-SHAPED, UM, UH, ENTRANCE PATH TO GO INTO THE HOUSE. 
          UM, IF THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO ABAR OR I, I DO SEE, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO GET RID THE CURB CUT PERHAPS. 
          UM, BUT IT, IT'S KIND OF A DOUBLE CURB CUT HERE, I BELIEVE BECAUSE IT'S SHARED ALMOST NEXT DOOR. 
          SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE NEIGHBOR'S LIFE DIFFICULT. 
          I DID THINK ABOUT HOW TO TRY AND THAT CONCRETE AUTHORITY THERE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, BY KIND OF MAKING AN L-SHAPED PATH. 
          IT WAS, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE THRESHOLD TO COME INTO THE HOUSE, BUT I, I ALSO THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE A GOOD PLACE FOR KIND OF STAGING BICYCLES OR IF SOMEBODY HAD A MOTORCYCLE THEY COULD PARK IT UP FRONT, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT BY HAVING THE CURB CUT THAT'S GOING TO, THAT MIGHT JUST BE TOO MUCH FOR SOMEBODY, UH, NOT TO UTILIZE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD PUT IN SOME KIND OF BALLARD OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE FACING THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR BICYCLES THAT EASILY COULD GET THROUGH, OR MAYBE A MOTORCYCLE EVEN, AT LEAST THAT, UM, THAT PAD THAT'S ALREADY BEEN POURED BY THE CITY, UM, WOULDN'T GO TO WASTE, BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T BE UTILIZED. 
          IT'S KIND OF A, ANOTHER PARTS THE SPOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UM, IF THAT'S HELPFUL OR NOT, BUT THAT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD AND THOSE ARE SOME OTHER THOUGHTS I'M HAVING RIGHT NOW ON THE FLY. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER, I'M OH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          YES, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          UM, THE REASON I SAID THAT IS THAT, UH, I DON'T THINK WELL TO, UH, SUPPORT YOUR CONTENTION OF PUTTING PARKING IN THE BACK AND NOT BACKING OUT ONTO THE BUSY STREET. 
          I THINK, UH, ELIMINATING THAT CURB CUT AND PARKING SPACE THERE, UH, WHETHER IT'S MODIFIED OR COMPLETELY REMOVED, I THINK IS, UH, IMPORTANT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS CORNER SITE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, AND THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO GET RID OF THE CURB CUT, ESPECIALLY, UM, HAVING A LITTLE PLACE TO MAYBE PARK BIKES ON THE, ON THE PAD THAT'S ALREADY POURED, AT LEAST THAT WOULD PROMOTE ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK. 
          BUT, UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY AND IF YOU PREFER, WE CAN JUST RIP THE WHOLE THING OUT. 
          BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT, IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT AFFECT THE SIDEWALK INTEGRITY, I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, BUT IT, THE LEADING THE CURB CUT AND MAKING SURE NOBODY CAN PARK, EVEN THEY PUT PIPES OUT ONTO THE STREET, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL, BUT WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE ACCESS TO THE SIDEWALK, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IN THE BUSINESS OF TRYING TO PROMOTE THE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY SITUATIONS. 
          BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT IN YOUR HANDS, GENTLEMEN. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS AND, UM, WHATEVER YOU SEE FIT, UM, WE'RE HERE TO, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          WHAT WE'RE REVIEWING HERE IS THE RELOCATE OF  AND HIS POSITION ON THE SITE. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT REVIEWING A FINAL SITE PLAN FOR THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I CAN'T HEAR ANY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, CAN HEAR YOU. 
          UH, YES. 
          THIS IS THE RELOCATION OF THE, OF THE, THE STRUCTURE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE PRIMARY THINGS SUCH AS LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS AND OBVIOUSLY THE FINAL APPROVAL OR THE FINAL LOCATION OF A DRIVE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REVIEWED. 
          UM, SO IF THE COMMISSION FOUND APPROPRIATE, UM, STAFF COULD PERFORM A STAFF LEVEL REVIEW WITH OTHER SIDE ELEMENTS, UM, SUCH AS WALKWAY LOCATIONS AND WITH DRIVEWAY WITH LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS, ET CETERA. 
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SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THE CURRENT SUBMISSION ALSO DOESN'T SHOW THAT CURB CUT. 
          SO, UH, MY MOTION WAS FOR THE, THE, UH, THE CURRENT SUBMISSION. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVE BE NARROWED TO 10 FEET MOVED TO THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND THE HOUSE BE MOVED TO THE NORTH AS MUCH AS FEASIBLE. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER EY AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AYE CHAIRMAN, SPENCER AYE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER  AYE. 
          MOTION? CARRIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IT WAS A PLEASURE VISITING WITH YOU TODAY. 
          [20-3210 Address/Description: 217 CEDAR ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-157 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: catherine nored/nored architecture Request: Construction of a 1-story rear addition with a 2-story attached garage City Council Dist.: 1]
OKAY, RACHEL, CAN YOU START WITH ITEM 49? YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29 H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 1 57 2 17 CEDAR STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION WITH A TWO STORY ATTACHED GARAGE AT TWO 17. 
          CEDAR JACK DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF DECONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY REAR REAR ADDITION WITH A TWO STORY ATTACHED GARAGE. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE FOLLOWING PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H C R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES ATTACHED GARAGE LOCATED TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE LOT AS NOTED IN FINDINGS D AND E TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF THE TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE WHERE FEASIBLE. 
          AS NOTED, FINDING E THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY TO DETERMINE THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE UPDATED STRUCTURE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          THREE, THAT THE BOARD AND BAT AND SIDING FEATURES BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE WITH FAT AND INSIDE ARE ONE AND A HALF INCHES WIDE. 
          FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED HARDY BOARD SKIRTING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH AND NO FOOT FOAM, WOOD GRAIN WITH A MAXIMUM REVEAL OF FOUR INCHES. 
          FIVE THAT ALL VERTICALLY ORIENTED WINDOWS FEATURE ARE ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION AND TRUE GANG TRIM. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING I, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT ELEVATIONS AND TRIM DETAILS THAT REFLECT THE STIPULATION SIX THAT THE APPLICANT ADHERES TO STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATION SEVEN THAT THE STAND THAT THE APPLICANT ADHERES TO STAFF STANDARD METAL ROOF STIPULATIONS AND EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AS REQUIRED BY ZONING AND OBTAINS THE VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. 
          AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT, CATHERINE NORAD ON THE LINE. 
          HI, UM, MY NAME'S CATHERINE NORAD AND I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR TWO 17 CEDAR. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          BEFORE WE GET INTO SPECIFICS, UH, OF THE EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, UH, DO YOU AGREE WITH ANY OR ALL OF THEM? AND THEN WE, IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ALL OF 'EM, THEN WE CAN, UH, CONCENTRATE ON THE ONES THAT, UH, YOU'RE ASKING US TO REVIEW. 
          RACHEL, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE? I AM TALKING. 
          I'M NOT WORKER THERE, YOU'RE THERE. 
          I KNOW WE HADN'T NOTICED THAT YOU WERE OKAY WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ASIDE FROM, UM, CREATING THE DETACHED GARAGE AND LOW REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE TWO STORY DETACHED GARAGE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE THOUGH, UM, ON THE HEIGHT, UM, OF THE, OF THE ADDITION. 
          UH, I CAN'T, I LOOKED AT IT MORE CLOSELY AND I COULD LOWER THE WEIGHT HEIGHT, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, A FOOT AND, AND I THINK I COULD LOWER THE FINISH FLOOR, UH, ALSO SIX INCHES, SO THAT WOULD LOWER IT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE AROUND 18 INCHES. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, THE ELEVATION, UH, THE FRONT 
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ELEVATION, I'VE ALREADY LOWERED IT QUITE A BIT WHERE IT'S UNDER, UM, THE EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURES, UM, E PIPES. 
          BUT I, I'M HAPPY TO LOWER IT MORE IF, IF THAT SEEMS IMPORTANT. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH IN RESPONSE TO STIPULATION TO THEIR RE UH, THE REDUCTION IN 18 INCHES IN HEIGHT THAT YOU MENTIONED. 
          THAT'S NOT YET SHOWN DRAWINGS, CORRECT? EXACTLY. 
          YEAH, THAT WOULD BE LOWERING IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS, UM, GRAPHICALLY REPRESENTED. 
          AND, UH, I I'M SORRY, THAT, UH, FACE SHIFT BOARD LOWER THAN THE EXISTING. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION BY A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT OF 18 INCHES, UH, THE, THE LEFT SLOPE WOULD MORE OR LESS IN ELEVATION BE ALIGNED WITH THE MAIN SLOPE OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          SO IT TAKES, IT TAKES A SECONDARY POSITION IN TERMS OF MASSING. 
          I THINK THAT THAT WOULD MEET STIPULATION TOO, IN MY VIEW. 
          UH, CORY, DID WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THIS? WE DO. 
          I CAN READ THOSE NOW. 
          UM, THE FIRST COMES FROM MICKEY CONRAD, UM, WILLIAMS'S ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, THE KING WILLING ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND CONFER WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL. 
          UM, OUR STIPULATIONS, UM, WE AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S SUGGESTION TO DETACH THE GARAGE TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, AND THE SECOND COMES FROM PATTY ZIONS, UM, 1 0 7, KING WILLIAM, THE CONSERVATIONAL SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO INCURS WITH THE H P STAFF. 
          COMMENTS ON THE RESIDENTIAL EDITION, IT IS RATHER LARGE ADDITION IN CREATING A DENSITY ON THE SIDE THAT MAY NOT BE IN KEEPING WITHIN THE TWO STORY ELEMENT ABOVE THE GARAGE IS OUT SCALE WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          UM, CO A COUPLE, THIS IS CATHERINE. 
          UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          UM, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND ON THE GARAGE, I, WHEN I STARTED THIS PROJECT, I, UM, I LIVED AND WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I JUST WALKED OVER AND WALKED THE BLOCK. 
          AND, UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE GARAGES ARE PLACED EXACTLY WHERE I PUT IT. 
          THAT'S WHY I PUT IT RIGHT THERE. 
          UH, IT WAS IN KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE, OF WHAT YOU COULD VISUALLY SEE FROM THE, THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, AND I HAVE THOSE ADDRESSES WRITTEN DOWN IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. 
          UM, AND ALSO THE WAY THAT I DESIGNED IT, UH, WAS SO THAT VISUALLY IF YOU COULD EV EVER SEE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE HOUSE, UM, WHICH I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FROM THE SIDEWALK OR FROM THE STREET, UH, I, I SET THAT BACK SO THAT IT WOULD VISUALLY LOOK LIKE IT WAS DETACHED, ALTHOUGH IT IS PHYSICALLY ATTACHED AND I COULD EXAGGERATE THAT MORE IF I NEEDED TO. 
          SO, CATHERINE, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I, I AGREE THAT THE PLACEMENT OF THE GARAGE ELEMENT, UM, IS WHERE WE WOULD TYPICALLY FIND ONE. 
          AND I GUESS, UH, STIPULATION ONE IS SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THE DEGREE OF WHICH THAT MASS IS ATTACHED. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DRILL IN ON TODAY, GIVEN THAT, UH, OTHER STIPULATIONS SEEM TO HAVE BEEN AGREED TO. 
          UH, WHEN YOU TALK, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DIFFERENTIATING THE GARAGE MASS FROM THE ADDITION MASS MORE, UH, WHAT DID YOU HAVE IN MIND? IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN? UM, THERE'S A, A BENCH, UM, THAT WOULD FACES THE STREET OR FACES THE, THE EXISTING CON UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          AND I ACTUALLY COULD REMOVE THAT SO THAT IT WOULD CREATE A RECESS THERE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET, WE'RE USING THAT AS A STAIRCASE, INDOOR STAIRCASE, UM, TO AN, AN OFFICE UPSTAIRS. 
          AND SO, UM, WE WOULD, I WOULD PUSH THAT WALL BACK TO THE LANDING OF THE STAIRCASE, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY GIVE US A GOOD THREE FEET OF RECESS THERE, OR LIKE A REVEAL. 
          AND YOU CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT FROM, UM, THE SIDEWALK OR THE STREET. 
          THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I SKETCHED IS ACTUALLY BASED ON A, UM, A PHOTOGRAPH THAT I TOOK STANDING NEXT TO THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND SO YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE INTO THE BACKYARD AT ALL. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE ONLY CONNECTED MASS ELEMENT WOULD BE THE STAIR THAT WOULD GO TO THE SECOND STORY ON THE GARAGE? YES. 
          YES. 
          AND THE SECOND STORY DOES NOT, DOES NOT COME OVER THE FIRST 
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STORY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. 
          IT'S ONLY THE STAIR ELEMENT. 
          NO. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN DIFFERENTIATE THAT MASS, UH, IN THE RIDGE LINE OR THE ROOF THERE? BECAUSE I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S, UH, CONCERN WITH ATTACHED GARAGES. 
          AND I TYPICALLY HAVE CONCERNED WITH THE NOTION OF ATTACHED GARAGE. 
          UH, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE ITS POSITION IS APPROPRIATE AND THAT THE, THE POSITION OF THE ADDITION IS APPROPRIATE. 
          SO THIS MINOR STAIR ATTACHMENT, UH, MIGHT ALSO BE APPROPRIATE, BUT I I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL WAY THAT THE, THE MASS OF THE GARAGE CAN BE ILLUSTRATED AS SEPARATE. 
          UM, MORE SO THAN I'VE DONE. 
          UM, NOT, I, I GUESS SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY, IF THAT RECESS, UH, WHERE THE BENCH IS, GOES BACK THE ELEPHANT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE'RE CUTTING THROUGH THE ADDITION, UH, THAT LEG THAT IS CLIMBING UP TOWARD THE, THE GARAGE WOULD BE PUSHED BACK ALSO. 
          CORRECT? IT WOULD BE PUSHED BACK. 
          SO IT WOULD BE SHADOWED OUT. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO, TO COMMENT ON, UH, IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE SECTION THAT GOES FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE BACK OF THE ADDITION. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, CAN WE PULL THAT IMAGE UP ON THE SCREEN? SO I THINK THAT, UH, MY, MY COMMENTS, UH, ARE REALLY BASICALLY ALIGNED, UH, TO MY PUBLIC COMMISSIONER, BUT I THINK THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE STEPPING THE ROOF LINE DOWN TOWARDS THE NEW HOUSE, STEPPING THE, THE FOOTPRINT AND TOWARDS THE NEW HOUSE. 
          UM, IT'S DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS THAT WE, UH, WE LIKE TO SEE ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          AND I THINK THAT, UM, THE ELEVATION IS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NICE. 
          I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, UH, INTERPRETATION OF AN ADDITION AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE ON THESE PROJECTS IS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE THREE D AXONS FROM SOME OF THESE DIGITAL, UM, COMPONENTS. 
          AND I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT ON THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD SEE THE MASSING IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK SOME OF THESE MM-HMM. 
          , UH, YOU KNOW, ORTHOGRAPHIC DRAWINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF MISSING A LOT OF THAT INTERPRETATION THAT I THINK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE WANTING TO SEE. 
          BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE ALL GOTTEN ACCUSTOMED TO LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS AND I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS REALLY, REALLY NICE. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO PUSH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR MY COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND TRY TO SEE THAT IN PLAN AND IN SECTION. 
          THEY REALLY ARE PULLING THE SCALE DOWN TOWARDS THAT NEW HOUSE. 
          AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL MOVES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY CAREFULLY EXECUTED HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO GONNA ECHO SOME OF, UH, COMMISSIONER BOWEN'S, UH, COMMENTS. 
          I, I, I, UH, CAN'T HELP BUT ASK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUESTION, UH, DOES IT IMPROVE OR DOES IT TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT IS A VERY COMPLEX, UH, BUT A VERY WELL EXECUTED SOLUTION? UM, UH, S SEPARATING BY A COUPLE OF FEET HERE OR THERE? I AM NOT NECESSARILY SURE WHAT WILL RESULT AND IT, AND A BETTER, UH, SOLUTION WITH RESPECT TO RAIN AND ALL OF, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          SO, UH, I, I WOULD, UM, UH, ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO GIVE STRONG CONSIDERATION TO A MOTION THAT THAT WOULD APPROVE IT AS, AS PRESENTED. 
          UM, AND, UH, THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ AND, AND MARIE BOWMAN WAS, SO THE OTHER STIPULATIONS YOU WOULD NOT CONSIDER, EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO THEM? NO, I'M SORRY. 
          DID YOU, I GUESS MY, UH, ARE YOU ASKING FOR MY RESPONSE TO THAT COMMISSIONER? OKAY. 
          SO I THINK, UH, THERE ARE SOME, SOME ITEMS ON THAT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD GO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ALL EXCEPT FOR THE, THE, THIS CONNECTION OF THE DETACHED GARAGE, UM, ESPECIALLY THE, THE GANG WINDOWS AND THE, UH, SINGLE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT TO THE STYLE, THE, OF THE, UM, ADDITION AND TYING THAT INTO THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S REALLY MY, MY POINT IS THAT NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE, WHICH WAS THE, UH, SEPARATING THE DETACH GARAGE AND, AND MY, MY COMMENTS ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO, TO COMMISSIONER BOWMAN'S COMMENTS, 
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UH, BECAUSE IT DOES DEAL WITH, I THINK, UH, PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE COMPLEX ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS AS A WHOLE TO, TO THE, UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF. 
          UH, AND, AND, BUT, BUT HOW ALSO, AGAIN, WANT TO COME IN THE ARCHITECT. 
          THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL JOB. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, AND, UM, IT IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT DESIGN. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S A FAIRLY NARROW LONG SITE. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'VE, UH, CREATED A, A HANDSOME ADDITION, BUT, UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF AND THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT, UH, A DETACHED GARAGE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. 
          CAN WE, UH, LOOK AT AN AERIAL VIEW TO SEE SOME OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT OF, OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET A DIRECT, UM, GOOGLE OR AERIAL OR THE GRAPHIC? SO I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU KNOW, CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE A CON, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF COMMENTARY ON WHAT, UM, THE ATTACHED VERSUS ATTACHED GARAGE LOOKS LIKE IN THIS, UH, CONTEXT? I MEAN, I'M SEEING SOME OF, YOU KNOW, JUST THE HOUSE DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH IN THIS VIEW. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DETACHMENT THERE. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU GO DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE AN ADDITION THAT WAS, UM, I, I'M SORRY, NORTHWEST OF THE OTHER. 
          YEAH, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME ADDITIONS THAT ARE LENGTHWISE, JUST STRAIGHT ADDITIONS TO THESE HOUSES, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A CONTEXT THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE, UH, WELL, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER BOWMAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS KIND OF IN A REGULAR PATTERN, UH, OR A NUMBER OF THESE HOUSES HAVE ADDITIONS AS SOME OF THEM WERE PRETTY SMALL. 
          SOME OF THE, UH, ADDITIONS ARE SUBSTANTIAL AND ROUGHLY IN THE FOOTPRINT OF WHERE THIS ONE IS PROPOSED. 
          UH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY WHERE YOU FIND PROJECTS WITH ADDITIONS, ADDITIONS, MANY TIMES THERE ISN'T A GARAGE AT ALL. 
          THERE ISN'T USUALLY, UH, ROOM, UH, BEYOND THAT TO APPROPRIATELY FIT A DETACHED GARAGE. 
          UH, SO I, I JUST CAN'T OFFER MUCH MORE INSIGHT IN, INTO THE PATTERN. 
          YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT, UH, IT, IT ISN'T PARTICULARLY WELL ESTABLISHED ON THIS BLOCK. 
          YEAH, SO I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE'S THAT EXISTING GARAGE LOCATION, UH, THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED AREA, UM, I, I GUESS IT'S REALLY JUST A QUESTION OF, UM, THE SYNTAX OF THE DETACHED VERSUS ATTACHED, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PERCEPTION OF THE ATTACHED VERSUS DETACH. 
          SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT, UH, UH, PERCEPTION OF ATTACHED ATTACHMENT IS NOT THERE IN THIS PROJECT. 
          I THINK IT'S PERCEIVED TO BE DETACHED AND THAT THAT, UH, EXISTING GARAGE LOCATION IS, IS NOT BEING ALTERED. 
          UM, SO I, IN MY OPINION, I FEEL LIKE I CAN, UH, SUPPORT THIS AS DESIGNED WITH SA STIPULATIONS EXCEPT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST COMMISSIONER, I WANNA MAKE SURE NOT TO MISSPEAK HERE. 
          UH, ATTACHED GARAGES ARE NOT, ARE NOT THE PATTERN, AND, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GENERALLY FOUND. 
          UH, BUT I DO CONCUR WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR SENTIMENT THAT, THAT THIS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY READ AS AN ATTACHED, UH, ELEMENT. 
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AND INSTEAD ONE THAT'S JUST KIND OF BEEN FILLED IN. 
          UH, BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A PATTERN OF DETACHED, UH, GARAGES IN THE, IN THE AREA. 
          I, I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, WE HAVE EIGHT RECOMMENDED STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE IS THE ONE THAT PROPOSES A DETACHED GARAGE TO, UH, PROPOSES A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT. 
          OH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          SO JUST, UH, BE COGNIZANT OF THAT IN MOTION MAKING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH ALL THE SCREENS. 
          WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PUT THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN. 
          OKAY, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          UH, EXCEPT FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT THAT WOULD, COULD BE, UH, NOT APPROVED OR THAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REQUIRED AND THAT IT COULD BE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          SECOND, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          IS THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OR FINAL APPROVAL? I BELIEVE IT'S FOR FINAL, YES, IT IS FOR FINAL. 
          CAN I MAYBE JUST, UM, JUST, JUST A LOT OF STIPULATIONS FOR A FINAL. 
          UM, WHAT, I'M HAPPY TO BRING IT BACK FOR A FINAL AND MAKE THIS CONCEPT. 
          I GUESS I'M FINE. 
          I THINK THAT STAFF COULD PROBABLY TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, EVEN WITH STIPULATIONS ATTACHED WHEN WE REVIEW THE PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT, WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS MET. 
          UM, OH, SO I THINKING OF STIPULATION TWO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO I THINK THE APPLICANT STATED, UM, A PROPOSED REDUCTION OF ABOUT 18 INCHES. 
          UM, YES. 
          SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOOK FOR THAT IN THE, IN THE, UM, REQUEST FOR A, I I HAVE A VELAZQUEZ I HAVE A QUESTION TO FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AND, AND THE QUESTION IS, UH, CONSIDERING THAT GOD'S WILLING ONE IS ALREADY DROPPED OFF, RIGHT? THAT, THAT ITEM ONE IS ALREADY OUT OF ANY FUTURE MOTION WITH RESPECT TO, TO ITEM TWO, WHAT, WHAT WILL THAT 18 INCHES IN YOUR OPINION, RIGHT, WHICH IS KIND OF A FIXED OPINION 'CAUSE YOU'RE THE DESIGNER, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION WITH RESPECT TO HOW THAT 18 INCHES AFFECTS THE OVERALL AESTHETIC FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? WAS, WAS THE WHOLE PANEL, WELL, THIS, THIS IS WHERE THE HEIGHT IS, OR WERE YOU REALLY VERY CAREFUL TO ORCHESTRATE THAT HEIGHT IN A WAY THAT WHAT LOOKING AT THAT IS PLEASING? DOES IT RELY ON THE, ON THE 18 INCHES? UM, THE, THE WAY THAT I CAME UP WITH THIS WAS ACTUALLY WITH PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU'RE AT THE STREET, LOOKING BACK IS GOING TO THE BUILDING, THE ADDITION, THE GARAGE ADDITION IS THIS FAR ENOUGH BACK, BUT RETROSPECTIVE, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE VIEWED, UM, AS MUCH LOWER, UH, THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          UM, SO, SO I DON'T THINK THAT LOWERING IT 18 INCHES IS GOING TO ADD A LOT TO IT. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP THAT PERCEPTION VERY MUCH, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO IT IF THAT'S WHAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WANTS. 
          UH, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE. 
          THEN, THEN I, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN MY COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION, COMMISSION. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THE COURT FOR, FOR ALL DUE RESPECTS. 
          COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE? OKAY. 
          UH, AND WE HAVE CASES TO BE HEARD, AND IT'S ALREADY FIVE 30 CASES THAT ARE AWAIT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION IT, AND, AND MY QUESTION IS COMPLETELY WITHIN THE HOPING THAT THIS DOESN'T COME BACK AS CONCEPTUAL SO THAT WE'RE NOT WASTING TIME IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO, JUST TO, JUST TO, JUST TO, UH, SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN UHHUH. 
          UH, IF, IF YOUR AMENDMENT IS TO, UM, RE 
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YOU KNOW, NOT INCLUDE, I REMEMBER TWO ION AND I, I WOULD AGREE TO THAT AMENDMENT AND THAT, THAT I WOULD AGREE TO THAT. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          AND I'LL SECOND A MOTION THEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALREADY TO SECOND, OR DID I SECOND IT? I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND APPROVAL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, EXCEPT ITEMS ONE AND TWO. 
          KRISTEN, WAS COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ THE ORIGINAL SECOND? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ES? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMM. 
          COMMISSIONER DI AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          COMM COMMISSIONER OLA AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. 
          CHAIRMAN, FEOR NA AND COMMISSIONER LA AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          [20-3249 Address/Description: 2158 W KINGS HWY HDRC Case No.: 2020-152 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: William Hazlewood Request: Enclosure of front porch with windows and door City Council Dist.: 7]
WE ARE YOU READY WITH ITEM 30? YOU UNMUTED ONE SEC. 
          CAN WE AGENDA ITEM 30, CASE NUMBER 20 21 52 AT 2158 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE THE FRONT PORCH TO FEATURE ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN THE TWO FRONT ARCHES AND DOORS IN BESIDES FACING ARCHES. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C. 
          THE APPLICANT SHOULD PERFORM IN KIND RECONSTRUCTION AS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED CASE COMMENT, STAFF CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT ON APRIL 2ND, 2020, AND FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY AT 2158 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY WAS SUBJECTED TO FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE PRIOR TO APPROVAL. 
          THE PROPERTY PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO RECONSTRUCT A PORCH IN KIND AFTER DAMAGE FROM A FALLEN TREE. 
          A SUBSEQUENT H T R C APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, WHICH WAS DETERMINED INCOMPLETE. 
          THE APPLICANT PROCEEDED TO ENCLOSE THE FRONT PORCH AND A STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED THEREAFTER. 
          THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. 
          HELLO? HELLO, JOE? YES. 
          UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM, SO WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          CAN WE ASK STAFF TO PUT THE FINDINGS ON THE, ON THE SCREEN FOR A MOMENT? I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY, UH, GAINING ACCESS TO AND, AND COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ FOR STAFF. 
          I'M WONDERING IF STAFF CAN JUST SLOW DOWN THE, THE EXPLANATION AND JUST EXPLAIN IT ONE MORE TIME. 
          I, I'M, I THINK UNDERSTAND THEY WENT IN CLOSE WITH SCREENS. 
          IS THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAT, SO WE GOT THE CASES, MS. COMMISSIONER, UH, GROUP HERE, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          WE, WE HAVE THESE CASES SENT TO US PRIOR TO THE MEETINGS ALSO, SO WE CAN KIND OF READ UP ON IT. 
          UM, I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY AND, UM, I WANTED TO ASK YOU APPLICANT FIRST, I WANNA SAY THAT I THINK YOU'RE DOING, UH, GREAT WORK AND I, I KNOW THAT SHE PROBABLY DID A LOT OF DAMAGE TO BOTH, NOT ONLY THE ROOF, BUT I THINK ALSO SOME OF THE, THE, UH, UH, SORRY, THE BRICK WORK. 
          UM, IS THERE SPECIFIC REASON FOR WHY YOU'RE APPROACHING CLOSURE OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REASON FOR DOING THIS? YES. 
          UM, THE, THE MAIN REASON WE WE NEEDED TO OR DECIDED TO ENCLOSE IT WAS AS WE WERE TAKING THE BRICK DOWN, WE REALIZED THAT WE WEREN'T GONNA HAVE ENOUGH USABLE BRICK, UH, TO PUT IT BACK IN KIND. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAD TO JACK UP THE PORCH ROOF, UH, CEILING FOR THE PORCH, UH, AT LEAST FOUR INCHES. 
          AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WE HAD TO TAKE THE BRICK OFF THE TWO SIDES OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND WITH ALL THAT BRICK COMING DOWN, UH, IT WAS BUILT IN 1937, UH, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SALVAGE ENOUGH BRICK TO, UH, REPLACE THE, UH, PORCH IN KIND. 
          AND WE FELT THIS WAS THE BEST, UH, SCENARIO 
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TO GO WITH, IS TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PORCH. 
          UH, IT WOULD ALLOW US TO USE THE BRICK THAT WE DID HAVE, UM, WITHOUT BEING CONCERNED WITH WHERE WE WERE GONNA GO IF THE BRICK STOPPED BEFORE WE WERE COMPLETED WITH EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, AND WE DECIDED THAT THE ENCLOSURE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS AND ALLOW US TO USE THE BRICK AND ALSO KEEP, UH, THE MATERIAL WITH STUCCO THAT WE HAVE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, WITH ACCIDENTS AND ALSO IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          WE ALSO DID IT FROM A SAFETY CONCERN, UH, THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SEE THE FRONT PART OF OUR YARD ON THE SIDEWALK OF THE STREET, UH, FROM, FROM OUR LIVING ROOM. 
          AND WE HAD, OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS STOLEN FROM THE FRONT YARD. 
          UH, AND, AND WE JUST, AND WE'VE HAD BREAK-INS A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, AND WE JUST FELT LIKE THIS WAS A GOOD WAY TO KINDA SECURE THE AREA, UH, KEEP THAT, THAT PORCH AREA FROM BEING ENCLOSED. 
          I MEAN, BEING OPEN TO WHERE PEOPLE COULD POSSIBLY HIDE IN THERE. 
          UH, THEN IT ALLOWED US TO ALLOW SAFETY ENTRANCE TO OUR HOUSE. 
          UH, AS MY WIFE AND I ARE GETTING OLDER, UH, IT MAKES IT EASIER ACCESS TO THE HOUSE WITHOUT COMING THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, ESPECIALLY IN INCLEMENT WEATHER. 
          UH, IT, IT WOULD JUST, IT, IT JUST SEEMED THE THING TO DO. 
          AND, AND, AND WE DO APOLOGIZE, UH, FIRST OFF FOR, UH, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE GUIDELINES FOR DOING THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN HISTORICAL DISTRICT. 
          UH, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THESE GUIDELINES. 
          UH, I IGNORANCE, I SUPPOSE. 
          UH, SO I WAS NOT, I, I, I, I, I, AND I DROPPED THE BALL ON, ON, ON COMING UP WITH SOME OTHER IDEAS TO SEND Y'ALL. 
          WE HAD VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION WHEN THIS OCCURRED. 
          UH, MY MOTHER-IN-LAW JUST PASSED AWAY. 
          I WAS RECOVERING FROM, FROM SHOULDER SURGERY. 
          OUR KIDS WERE IN TOWN AND WE WERE JUST HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME REMEMBERING ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. 
          AND, AND WE JUST DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS AND APOLOGIZED FOR THAT. 
          UH, BUT WE FELT LIKE THAT, THAT BY ENCLOSING THE PORCH, IT WOULD CONTINUE TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE AND INTEGRITY OF THE BEAUTIFUL MONTICELLO PARK HISTORICAL AREA. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT WAS OUR REASONING FOR, FOR DOING THIS WITH, UH, UH, WITH, UH, INFLUENCE AND, AND, AND IN CONSIDERATION AND DISCUSSION WITH OUR CARPENTER AND BRICKLAYERS AND THOSE AND INDIVIDUALS, UH, DEALING WITH THE, WITH THE REBUILD OF THE HOUSE. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I, I APOLOGIZE SO MUCH FOR INTERRUPTING. 
          I JUST WANNA LET STAFF KNOW I, I'M GONNA STEP AWAY FOR A MOMENT. 
          SO FOR ISSUES OF QUORUM, I'LL JUST TURN MY CAMERA ON WHEN I RETURN. 
          SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER. 
          I APPRECIATE, UM, I I HOPE YOU, UM, I MEAN ONE IS, IT'S A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO PART OF WHY THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. 
          AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT, UM, WE CAN COME TO KIND OF A COMPROMISE BECAUSE THE  IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS FOUND ORIGINALLY IN THIS HOME. 
          I MEAN, THE BRICK IS REALLY, I MEAN, IT IS KIND OF VERY, UM, PART OF THE, THE HISTORIC PART OF THIS HOME. 
          AND I THINK IT'S VERY PRETTY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ALSO GONNA, UM, BE, UH, REMOVING ALL THOSE BUTS FROM THE FRONT AND IT'S GONNA BE MORE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT ON THE FRONT. 
          UM, I WOULD ASK MY COMMISSIONERS IF WE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, MAYBE DISCUSS THIS IN E R C DUE TO THE TIME. 
          AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE OTHER APPLICANT'S TODAY ON THE AGENDA, I FEEL LIKE A MORE, UH, DETAILED CONVERSATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CAN REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT IS ALREADY DONE, BUT ALSO MAYBE, UH, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, UH, AT LEAST AS SIMILAR AS WHAT IT WAS. 
          MAYBE IN CLOSING THE PORCH, MAYBE COMING BACK. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK IS, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIONS THE SAME OPENING SIZES AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY? 'CAUSE I THINK WHERE THE DUMMY DOOR GOES, IT, IT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT NARROWER, BUT MAYBE, UH, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS IN AN INFORMAL MEETING DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT GOING TO THE D R C, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          ONE, I THINK IT'S A COMPLEX CASE TO THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS GONE A, A LONG WAY TOWARDS SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING THE CHARACTER OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH THESE, UH, WITH THESE CHANGES. 
          AND, UM, I, AND, AND I THINK A THIRD THING THAT THE QUALITY OF THE DOCUMENTATION, I THINK EVEN STAFF CALLED THAT INTO QUESTION THAT, UH, I THINK, UM, AS PART OF OUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GUIDE THIS APPLICANT TOWARDS A BETTER AESTHETIC SOLUTION THAN WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I WOULD 
          [02:30:01]
SUPPORT GOING TO THE D R C, THIS WILL THIS ALL MOTION, UM, MOVE THIS CASE TO D R C. 
          AND SECOND, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? EXCUSE ME. 
          COMMISSIONER? YES, SIR. 
          IS, IS, IS THERE ANY MORE ROOM FOR, FOR OUR COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE VOTE TO OBJECTION? UH, YES, GO AHEAD. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE IN PLAN PLACES. 
          WE HAVE IN, IN PLACE A PLAN TO PUT THE ARCHES BACK, UH, OVER THE WINDOWS, UH, IN, IN, IN THE SAME FORMAT THAT THEY WERE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, IN THE DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS, WE HAVE WIND WOODEN WINDOW FRAMES TO GO OVER THOSE, UH, SIDE LIGHTS. 
          I MEAN THOSE, THOSE DIVIDING LIGHTS THAT MATCHES THE, UH, WOODEN, UH, WINDOW FRAMES FOR THE REST OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, THE STUCCO WOULD BE IN THE SAME DESIGN AS THE STUCCO THAT WE HAVE OVER OUR FRONT DOOR, UH, WHICH IS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE YET, BUT IT WILL HAVE THOSE SAME, UH, RAISED, RAISED IN, IN, IN DELINEATED SPACES. 
          UH, THAT IS, THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE. 
          UH, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE JUST DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY TO, TO FINISH THIS OUT. 
          UH, WITH, WITH THE, THE BRICK THAT WE HAD, USABLE BRICK THAT WE HAD LEFT, UH, WITH THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE AS IT IS AND IF NECESSARY, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE WILLING AND, AND CAN, CAN DISCUSS WITH OUR, OUR CONTRACTOR ABOUT RE REPLACING THE ARCHES OVER THE DOORS. 
          UM, AND THE, UH, BOX HEDGES THAT WERE THERE, THAT WERE DESTROYED BY THE, UH, TREE FALLING WE HAD TO TAKE DOWN SO THE WORKERS COULD, UH, WORK ON THAT, WORK ON THE PORCH. 
          UH, WE HAVE PLANS FOR LANDSCAPING IN THAT AREA. 
          UH, SHRUBS AND PLANTS AND, AND BUSHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE'LL PUT IT BACK A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, WE WON'T HAVE THE BOX HEDGES, BUT IT WILL HAVE, UH, LANDSCAPING THAT WILL ACCENT, UH, THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS OF YOUR PROPOSAL AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS CAN COMMENT ON THAT AND, UH, IT MIGHT BE GOOD IF WE, UH, APPROVE THAT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE YOUR CONTRACTOR AS PART OF THAT, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH, UH, STAFF WILL SET UP WITH YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? YOU MAY HAVE STEPPED AWAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER LES AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. 
          AYE. 
          CHAIRMAN BE AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER LA AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [20-3236 Address/Description: 230 ADAMS ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-117 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: David Robertson/Build Modern LLC Request: Window replacement and window relocation City Council Dist.: 1]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 31 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 17 2 30 ADAMS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE RELOCATE SALVAGEABLE WITH WINDOWS FROM THE NORTH, EAST AND SOUTH, THE SIDES TO THE WEST, WHICH IS THE FRONT THE SIDE AND TWO TO REPLACE DAMAGE, DESTROYED OR MISSING WOOD WINDOWS ON THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH. 
          THE SIDES WITH NEW DOUBLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE RELOCATION OF EXISTING SALVAGEABLE WOOD WINDOWS FROM THE NORTHEAST AND SOUTH FACADES TO THE WEST. 
          THE SIDE IS NOTED IN FINDING C WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ANY OTHER WINDOWS, ASHES, OR THEIR ELEMENTS THAT ARE INABLE CONDITION BE REPAIRED AND INSTALLED ON THE OTHER FACADES. 
          TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. 
          ITEM TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF NEW WOOD WINDOWS PROVIDED THEY ARE CUSTOM FABRICATED TO MATCH THE EXISTING IN TERMS OF SIZE, TYPE CONFIGURATION, MATERIAL FORM, APPEARANCE, 
          [02:35:01]
APPEARANCE AND DETAIL AS NOTED IN FINDING D. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS DAVID ROBERTSON. 
          I'M THE BUILDER AT TWO 30 ADAMS. UM, THIS WOULD BE A MUCH EASIER CASE THAN THE PREVIOUS ONES. 
          UM, PRETTY MUCH WHAT MR. HALL JUST WENT OVER. 
          UM, IS THAT THESE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO. 
          WE LOCATED A CONTRACTOR THAT IS GONNA, UM, MOVE ALL THE SALVAGEABLE CARTS, UM, TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, SO THE FRONT WINDOWS WILL BE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. 
          AND THEN AFTER MEETING WITH HIM AT THE JOB SITE, WE WALK THE SITE AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT, UM, THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, HE SAID THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, PIECES THERE THAT HE CAN WORK WITH AND REBUILDING EVERYTHING. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE AGREEING TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, CORRECT. 
          ALRIGHT THEN I, ALRIGHT THEN I, THEN I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS THIS COMMISSIONER. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? OKAY. 
          KRISTEN, TRY AGAIN. 
          COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER AYE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBB? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VAL? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ANG AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AYE CHAIRMAN,  AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER LABU AYE. 
          MOTION? CARRIE. 
          THANK YOU T NURSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 32, 
          [20-3211 Address/Description: 1115 NOLAN ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-142 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant: San Antonio San Antonio/MONGEON CHRISTOPHER & Request: Amendment to issued Certificate of Appropriateness for garage doors City Council Dist.: 2]
CASE NUMBER 20 21 42 AT 1115 NOLAN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND THE DESIGN OF A NEW REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE APPROVED ON FEBRUARY 5TH, 2020 TO FEATURE ONE DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOOR INSTEAD OF TWO SINGLE-WIDE GARAGE DOORS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE GARAGE DOOR WIDTH AND OR THEIR SPACING MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          IF THE TWO SINGLE WIDTH CONFIGURATION REMAINS, THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED A PRESENTATION AT NEAR THE END OF THE CASE FILE. 
          HI, THIS IS CHRIS MUNGIN, 1115 LIN STREET. 
          I'M THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR ENDURANCE THIS EVENING. 
          UM, I'M HAPPY TO, UH, TO MAKE MY PRESENTATION VERY BRIEF, UM, OR, OR WE CAN READ THE COMMENTS FIRST, UH, WHICHEVER YOU GUYS PREFER. 
          I GUESS A QUICK, UM, REASONING FOR THE RE UH, REQUEST. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, UH, STAFF, UH, THE, UH, LIVE SHOW IS, IS A LITTLE BIT, UM, DELAYED, BUT IF YOU COULD NAVIGATE TO, UH, LINE NUMBER 18 IN YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE GIST OF THIS REQUEST IS, IS FOR, UH, THE SAKE OF FUNCTIONALITY. 
          UM, MY WIFE AND I DESIGNED THE GARAGE SITE PLACEMENT, UH, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, UH, OURSELVES AND, UH, GIVEN THE, THE SPACE LIMITATIONS AND SETBACKS. 
          UH, AND WE INCORPORATED THE TWO SINGLE DOORS ORIGINALLY, UM, WITH THE FOUNDATION BOARD, UH, OUR FRAMERS AND OUR UH, UH, SELECTED GARAGE DOOR INSTRUC AND SOLUTION CONTRACTOR HAVE COMMENTED THAT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITED BY THE CENTER POST, UH, SEPARATING THE DOORS, UH, GIVEN THE, THE DISTANCE FROM, UH, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF TO, UH, THE FENCE. 
          UM, I'VE TESTED IT MYSELF BY DRIVING THE VEHICLE, MY VEHICLE INTO THE GARAGE, UH, TURNING RADIUS RUNS OVER WHERE THE CENTER POST WOULD BE. 
          UM, WE'VE CONSIDERED OTHER MODIFICATIONS, BUT THEY WERE ALL, UH, MUCH MORE DRASTIC MODIFICATIONS TO WHAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED, UH, THAN SWITCHING TO A DOUBLE WIDE, UH, DOOR. 
          UM, IF YOU GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, STAFF, UH, THIS DESIGN IS APPROPRIATE FOR TWO REASONS, UM, VERY, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOORS WITHIN THE GON YELLOW STORE DISTRICT, AND REGARDLESS OF THAT, IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          UM, THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE A MAP THAT I CREATED. 
          [02:40:01]
UH, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS REQUEST, MY WIFE AND I DROVE AROUND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, WHILE THIS WAS NOT BY ANY MEANS AN EXHAUSTIVE SEARCH, WE WERE ABLE TO DOCUMENT 15 EXAMPLES OF DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOORS IN, UH, JUST ABOUT HALF, HALF AN HOUR, UH, OF DRIVING. 
          UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, YOU CAN SEE, UH, FIVE EXAMPLES ON OLIVE STREET. 
          THEY'RE ALL THE URBAN AND OLIVE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND AS WELL AS, UH, 1103 NORTH PINE AT THE INTERSECTION OF PINE AND BURLESON. 
          UH, ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU CAN SEE, UM, SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, GARAGES WITH DOUBLE WIDE DOORS. 
          UM, UH, ALL OBVIOUSLY ALL OF THESE HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY, BY H G R C, UH, IN CASES. 
          AND, AND FINALLY, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME ON THESE LAST EXAMPLES ON SLIDE NUMBER 22. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, UH, YEAH, SLIDE NUMBER 23. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, UH, FIVE 18 NORTH PINE IS JUST NORTH OF EAST HOUSTON. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, AN IDENTICAL SITE CONFIGURATION TO WHAT WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED, UH, WITH A DOUBLE WHITE GARAGE DOOR AT THE BACK, UH, SITTING BEHIND A LARGE TWO STORY HISTORIC HOME. 
          UH, AND THIS IS CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          UM, THE ICONIC HOME AT 8 0 5 NOLAN STREET HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE, UH, DOUBLE WIDE DOOR, CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM OLIVE STREET AND DTE PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET THERE, UH, AS WELL AS 7 32 NORTH OLIVE. 
          THIS IS THAT, UH, THE CORNER OF OLIVE AND BURNETT, AGAIN ON DTE PARK PROPERTY HAS A HISTORIC PRIMARY STRUCTURE AT THE FRONT AND THE DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOOR IS CLEARLY VISIBLE FROM BURNETT STREET. 
          UH, IN FACT, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, MY FAVORITE EXAMPLE BECAUSE THE GARAGE WAS A NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          IT WAS APPROVED WITH, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR APPROVAL, UH, AND APPROVED BY H D R C BACK IN, UH, I BELIEVE THAT ZOOMS IN, UH, TO 2013 OR 2015. 
          UM, SO FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, UH, WE BELIEVE THERE IS, UH, CERTAINLY PRECEDENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, IF YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, WE, WE HAD A, A ORIGINAL, UH, STREET SCAPE STUDY DONE BY OUR ARCHITECT WHEN WE WERE, UH, FIRST SEEKING, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THIS STRUCTURE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, OUR STRUCTURE IS PARTLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          UH, IF YOU MOVE ON TO SLIDE 25, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ONLY PERSPECTIVE FROM WHICH YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE GARAGE DOOR FROM THE STREET IS, UH, THIS NARROW SLICE, UH, IN YELLOW, UH, IN THE IMAGE. 
          UH, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UH, SHOT BY, UH, O H P STAFF, UM, THIS, THE ONLY POSSIBLE VIEWING ANGLE'S, A VERY NARROW VIEWING ANGLE. 
          BUT TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT'S NOT EVEN ACTUALLY POSSIBLE TO SEE THE GARAGE DOOR ITSELF FROM THAT VIEWING ANGLE. 
          UH, IN THIS PROCESS, I, UH, IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, PLAYING, UH, SEVERAL ROLES, I PLAYED A A LITTLE BIT OF CIVIL ENGINEER AND, UH, THIS IS AN EAST FACING CROSS-SECTIONAL VIEW OF OUR PROPERTY ELEVATION. 
          DUE TO THE CHANGES IN ELEVATION OF OUR PROPERTY, OUR FRONT, UH, GATE FENCE IS EFFECTIVELY, UH, ONE FOOT FOUR INCHES TALLER THAN THE GARAGE DOOR, AND IT COMPLETELY OBSCURES IT FROM VIEW. 
          UM, SO FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR THIS, UH, DOUBLE WIDE GARAGE DOOR INSTEAD OF TWO SINGLE WIDE GARAGE DOORS. 
          UH, IT IS DRIVEN BY FUNCTIONALITY AND USEFULNESS. 
          THERE'S SEVERAL, MANY EXAMPLES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS? UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE. 
          UM, BRIEFLY, THE DIGNITY  JUST SAID THAT THEY SUPPORT THE AMENDED PROJECT AS PRESENTED. 
          UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A VERY SIMPLE LETTER FROM ANOTHER GROUP OF NEIGHBORS SUBMITTED BY EVELYN BROWN THAT SAYS THIS SUPPORT STAFF TION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UH, I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR PRETTY FAST AND THOROUGH, UM, PRESENTATION. 
          I THINK YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT THIS AND FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT, FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALWAYS DONE, UH, ANY CHANGES OR ANY, UH, I MEAN, DONE A GREAT JOB TO THE PROPERTY JUST GONE REMODELING THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, BUT ALSO EVERYTHING IN THE BACK. 
          I WOULD SUPPORT IT. 
          I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER GREY'S, UH, POSITION HERE, BUT LARGELY FOR, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING ON, UH, AT THE, WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN WHERE THE, THE NEW SINGLE DOOR READS TO ME TO PRETTY CLEARLY  AND MEETS THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINE HERE. 
          SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          UH, THIS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE, THE APPLICANT FOR SUCH AS, UM, A WELL THOUGHT OUT PRESENTATION. 
          MUCH APPRECI COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          SECOND. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FITCH. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER DI AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? 
          [02:45:03]
AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER RE COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AYE. 
          CHAIRMAN, SUER AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER  AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          HAVE A GREAT EVENING. 
          THANK YOU STAFF. 
          DO YOU HAVE ITEM 
          [20-3243 Address/Description: 353 BRAHAN BLVD HDRC Case No.: 2020-133 Historic District Name: Westfort Applicant: ASTON KIMBERLY Request: Replacement of clay tile roofing with standing seam metal City Council Dist.: 2]
33? YES, I MUTED MYSELF. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER 33 HT R C. 
          CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 1 3 3. 
          ADDRESS, 5 3 5 BRAHAM. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CLAY TILE ROOF ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          WITHSTANDING THE METAL STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B. 
          AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT KIM, ON THE LINE. 
          HELLO, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? HELLO? YES, SPEAKING. 
          CAN HEAR YOU? YES. 
          GREAT. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, UM, UH, IT CAN BE HEARD. 
          UH, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, PUTTING ON A SCANNING STEAM ROOF TO OUR HOME AS THE, UM, EXISTING ROOF IS DAMAGED AND LEAKING. 
          WE'VE LOOKED INTO REPLACING IT WITH THE ORIGINAL, UM, CLAY TILES. 
          HOWEVER, IT IS NOT IN MY BUDGET AS, UM, THE ROOF COSTS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 180,000 TO $220,000 TO REPLACE, UH, WITH TILES. 
          UM, TWO, UH, SO IF YOU SEE THE FRONT OF OUR HOME, THAT'S THE CLAY TILE PORTION, BUT ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR ROOF IS ALREADY STANDING THEME METAL WITH THE SAME COLOR THAT YOU SEE UP TOP. 
          AND WE'RE PROPOSING THAT I GET A, THE SAME ROOF AS THE EXISTING ROOF OVER THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF OUR HOUSE'S, UM, ROOF IS THE METAL STANDING STEAM ROOF. 
          IF YOU LOOK BACK ON GOOGLE EARTH, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS AROUND ME ALSO HAVE, UH, METAL ROOFING AND WITH AN EYE SHOT OF MY PROPERTY, FOUR OF THE HOUSES, JUST FOUR OF MY NEIGHBORS ALSO HAVE A STANDING SCENE, JUST AS YOU SEE THERE, UM, ROOF AS THEY'RE MORE COSTLY, EFFECTIVE AND ENERGY EFFICIENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THAT WITH THE REST OF THE HOME, THE ROOF THAT YOU SEE. 
          SO ON OUR, ON OUR GARAGE, IT'S THE METAL. 
          WE HAVE A CARRIAGE HOUSE IN THE BACK. 
          IT'S ALSO METAL. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          IF YOU SEE THE STRUCTURES BEHIND THE HOUSE, THOSE ARE BOTH METAL. 
          UM, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MATCH IT ALL UP AS I, THERE'S JUST, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO PAY, UM, $200,000 FOR A REPLACEMENT OF TILE. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER. 
          PARDON? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE CONDITION OF THE TILE? DO YOU HAVE IMAGES OF THEIR DETERIORATE DAMAGE? THEY'RE DETERIORATED. 
          THEIR CRACK HAD IT PATCH BEFORE I HAD A, UM, ROOFING COMPANY COME OUT AND TRY TO PATCH IT, BUT THE TILES ARE SO FRAGILE YOU CAN NO LONGER WALK ON 'EM BECAUSE IF YOU WALK ON 'EM, THEY IMMEDIATELY CRACK. 
          AND, UM, WE DID HAVE IT PATCHED, BUT THEN THE PATCHES DON'T HOLD. 
          IT LEAKS THROUGH OUR BATHROOM OR BATHROOMS, UM, DETERIORATING. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU CAN SEE RIGHT KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING, THEY FALL LITERALLY FALLING OFF THE TOP RIGHT ABOVE THE LITTLE FRONT DOOR ARCH THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW, BUT THEY'RE FALLING RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN IN THE FRONT THEY'RE JUST DETERIORATE, DETERIORATING. 
          AND WHAT I WANNA DO IS JUST HAVE THE ROOF MATCH UP WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          [02:50:01]
IT'S VERY MIXED MATCHED RIGHT NOW AND DOESN'T LOOK UNIFORM. 
          UM, THE HOUSE DIRECT, UH, ACROSS FROM OUR HOUSE HAS THE SAME, UM, METAL ROOF. 
          WE WANNA MAKE IT LOOK NICE AND APPEAR CLEAN AS THE ROOF NOW IS JUST, IT'S JUST IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. 
          SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          DID THE APPLICANT LOOK INTO, UH, SALVAGING THE TILE AND THEN REPLACING IT WITH NEW AREAS WHERE IT'S BEEN DAMAGE? YES, WE LOOKED INTO THAT. 
          THE ROOFER SAID THE ROOF WAS REPLACING THAT, THAT IT WAS NOT SALVAGE SALVAGEABLE. 
          IT'S TOO OLD. 
          IT'S CALLED A LUIGI, UM, TILE. 
          THEY'RE IMPORTED AND IT'S UM, IT'S LIKE, UM, 80 YEARS OLD. 
          IT'S TOO OLD. 
          SO THOSE LITERALLY LUIGI WERE, IT'S KIND OF THE, UH, THE CADILLAC OF THE, OF THE TILE. 
          ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT IMPORTED IN THOUGH. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE FROM ITALY. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY FROM CHICAGO AND UM, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT. 
          IT IS, IT IS, UH, A SUPERIOR ROOF, UH, MATERIAL VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR REGIONAL, UH, ROOFING, UH, MATERIAL PALLET HERE. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'D LOOKED INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF SALVAGING IT BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN, IN DOING THAT SALVAGING AND FINDING SURPLUS, UH, STOCK FROM OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THEY SALVAGED IT, STOCKPILED IT, AND UH, YOU KNOW, THEN BLENDING THAT IN WITH YOUR EXISTING. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S REALLY FAILING HERE IS NOT THE TILES, IT'S THE UNDERLAYMENT, UH, OF THE, OF THE ROOF THAT IS NEEDING TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IF YOU TAKE OFF THE TILE, WHOLESALE AND THEN, UH, ADDRESS THE DECKING BELOW THAT'S UNDOUBTEDLY HAS SOME ROTTEN DETERIORATION THAT'S CAUSING MOVEMENT AND CAUSING THE, UH, THE TILES THEM TO CRACK WITH THAT MOVEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YEAH, WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT ROOFERS COME OUT, THREE COMPANIES COME OUT TO DISCUSS THE CONDITION OF THE ROOF UNDERNEATH THE ROOF. 
          AND, UM, WE GOT THREE QUOTES. 
          THEY ALL SAID THAT THE ROOF WAS NOT SALVAGEABLE. 
          HELLO MEAN THE TILE WAS NOT SALVAGEABLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE, UH, BECAUSE WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND LOOKING AT, UM, LOOKING AT THE TILE AND UM, THOUGHT WELL IF WE PULL IT OFF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD RESELL IT 'CAUSE THAT WAS WHAT ONE PERSON HAD TOLD US AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, THE TILE IS JUST CRACKING ANYTIME ANYBODY HAS GONE UP THERE TO LOOK AT THE ROOF, MORE TILES HAVE CRACKED. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE EVEN FURTHER DAMAGE AND WE CAN'T PULL THE TILES OFF THE ROOF OR THEY COULD PULL 'EM OFF THE ROOF WITHOUT BREAKING THEM. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DID WE HAVE, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WE DO NOT. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER, I THINK WE'RE THE COMMISSIONERS OR , UH, HAVING ISSUES WITH THIS IS THAT, UH, ORIGINAL ROOFING MATERIAL IS ALONG WITH WINDOWS AND DOORS AND SIDING ARE SOME OF THE, UM, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF HISTORIC RESIDENCES. 
          AND SO, UM, YES, YOU HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE THAT HAS STANDING SEA METAL ROOF. 
          IT'S A MOUNT BUILDINGS WITH STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, BUT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, UH, HAS THE TILE, WHICH IS, UM, LIKE I SAY, CHARACTER DEFINING FOR THE STRUCTURE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FOR STAFF IF THE APPLICANT MIGHT FIND MORE, UM, PROOF THAT IT WOULD BE OVERLY EXPENSIVE TO DO THE TYPE THERE'S NO OTHER, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME MORE MODERN OPTIONS THAT ARE LEAST EXPENSIVE THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT LOOK THE TILE TYPE. 
          [02:55:01]
I THINK WE ACCEPT THAT MAYBE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, GO BACK AND MAYBE GET SOME MORE OPTIONS FOR CHILD VERSIONS, UM, THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, NOT AS EXPENSIVE BUT MAYBE ALSO MORE DURABLE. 
          UM, OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN GO TOWARDS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN OPTION. 
          I, I'LL QUICKLY RESPOND TO THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE GUIDELINES THAT INSTRUCTS US TO CONSIDER COST. 
          UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES ARE MATERIALS AND WHEN THEY CANNOT BE PRESERVED, WE'D LOOK FOR MATERIALS THAT ARE SIMILAR IN. 
          UM, SO THAT MIGHT A, A GOOD NEXT STEP. 
          THE APPLICANT IS TO LOOK AT MAYBE A METAL ROOF THAT IS SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE. 
          WE'VE HAD OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE, UM, CLAIMS REPLACED WITH A METAL MATERIAL BUT NOT A STAINING SCENE. 
          IT'S MORE OF A PRESSED METAL THAT THAT MAKES THE APPEARANCE OF T TILE. 
          I WOULD MAYBE RECOMMEND THAT I THINK THIS PROGRAM FOR THE COMMISSION TOO, , BUT MAYBE  BACK, SEE IF SHE CAN PICK SOME OPTIONS THAT, UM, COULD BE, I'VE SEEN SOME OTHER CASES ACCEPTED, YOU KNOW, NOT AL BUT ANOTHER MATERIAL THAT LOOKS LIKE THE TRIAL VERSION QUEZ, UM, THE APPLICANT IS WHAT I, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT IS IN TERMS OF COST MM-HMM , UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND CORY'S CLARIFYING THAT THERE, THERE ISN'T ANY, UH, STIPULATION OR THERE, THERE'S NO NO BOOK LEEWAY FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. 
          SO HIS KIND OF A, UH, TRUST AND MORAL, MORAL UH, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? BUT WHEN A PERSON CAN AFFORD IN, IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU KNOW THAT TODAY A ROOF LIKE THAT IS VERY EXPENSIVE, UM, I, I WOULD SAY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, WHAT IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IF THE ROOF IS PUT INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORATORIUM OF ANYTHING HAPPENING THAT THE DETERIORATION IS, IT SEEMS PRETTY SERIOUS. 
          UM, IT'S JUST, JUST POOF OF THOUGHT THAT MAY I ALSO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          YES. 
          SO I'M A SCHOOL, UH, TEACHER HERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COST CERTAINLY OUTWEIGHS FOUR YEARS OF MY PAY WHERE THAT WOULD CRIPPLE MY FINANCIAL SITUATION FOR MYSELF AND MY SON AND HAVING A REPLACEMENT ROOF THAT I COULD AFFORD, UM, WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT TRYING TO CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE HOME IS WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. 
          WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE HISTORIC, WE LIKE THE HISTORIC LOOK AND WE WANNA DO WHAT'S COST EFFECTIVE, BUT ALSO SAFE FOR MY FAMILY AS THE ROOF IS LEAKING AND CREATING MOLD INSIDE THE UPSTAIRS BATHROOM. 
          AND WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THIS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, UH, FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF, UM, MY SON AND MYSELF, OF COURSE CO CORY. 
          CAN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UH, SCROLL THROUGH A MORE LEVEL, UM, UH, IMAGE WITH A ROOF? IT'S LIKE SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE, THAT THE PITCH IS VERY, I MEAN I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ILLUSION IS, BUT THE, THE, THE PITCH DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ADEQUATE. 
          SO THESE PHOTOS ARE TAKEN FROM HIGHER UP AND THEN THIS IS FROM STREET VIEW, SO YOU CAN SEE THE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE YOU HAVE TO BACK PRETTY FAR AWAY FROM STREET LEVEL. 
          ARE THERE OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE, THAT THAT VERY TILED ROOF IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? LIKE A, LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT AND THAT STYLE? YES. 
          ONLY IN THE BRAND NEW HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE PUT IN, UM, ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT NOT, BUT NOT HISTORICALLY. 
          SO THIS, THIS, I MEAN, IS, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT MAYBE IT WAS A DIFFERENT ROOF AND THEN AT SOME POINT AN OWNER THAT HAD A MORE MEANS DECIDED TO PUT A TILE ROOF ON COMMISSIONER? I CAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THIS IS THE ORIGINAL ROOF. 
          IT'S, IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE STYLE THAT STAFF MENTIONED AND THE FINDINGS. 
          UH, I I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT BECAUSE I SHARE THE APPLICANT'S SENSE OF URGENCY, 
          [03:00:01]
UH, ON A ROOF. 
          UH, ROOF LEAKS, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO A GREAT AMOUNT OF DETERIORATION AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S URGENT. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THE COST CONSTRAINTS. 
          UH, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT A PRESSED METAL EXAMPLE IN LIEU OF, UH, OF, UH, STAINING SEA METAL AS A, AS AN OPTION? HAVE I LOOKED AT ANOTHER, HAVE I LOOKED AT METAL ROOFS? IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST ASKED? UH, IT'S A PARTIC IN PARTICULAR, IT'S WHAT COREY HAD MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER, UH, A PRESSED METAL ROOF THAT SIMULATES THE APPEARANCE OF TILE. 
          IT USUALLY IS, IS MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE THAN A FILE. 
          UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN A GLASS METAL. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBOR, MY CROSS THE STREET NEIGHBOR JUST HAD THIS DONE, UM, TO CORNER TO ME. 
          AND THE ROOF IS ALMOST LIKE THE IDENTICAL COLOR AND SHAPE IS WHAT, UM, LEMME SEE IF YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          UM, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THAT PICTURE. 
          IF YOU GO, UM, ACROSS THE STREET, UM, GO TOWARDS THE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET SO YOU CAN, LOOKING FROM STREET VIEW, YOU CAN SERIOUSLY VERY, YOU CAN'T HARDLY TELL WHAT TYPE OF ROUTE THAT IS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM STREET VIEW. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO EMULATE THE, WHAT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, JUST IN THE, THE WITHIN EYE SHOT OF MY HOUSE, THERE'S FOUR METAL ROOFS ON RIGHT HAND. 
          THERE'S SEVEN ARMY, THERE'S 10, WHICH IS THE STREET RIGHT NEXT TO US. 
          UM, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS. 
          I HAD A ROOFER TELL ME THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF THAT WAS PUT ON BACK IN THE TWENTIES WITH ATTACHED STYLE ROOF, UM, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL ROOF TO THE HOUSE, BUT UH, IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY OVER 56 YEARS. 
          AND CAN STAFF SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF THE ROOF MATERIAL? YEAH, SO WHAT WE INCLUDED AT THE END OF THE EXHIBIT, WHICH IS OUR USUAL, UM, KIND OF ARCHIVAL, UH, TASK TO FIGURING OUT WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN IS USING SANDBORNE MAPS AND THE ASSOCIATED KEY. 
          UM, SO THIS IS THE 19 11 19 MAP. 
          UM, THE DATE ON WAS 1922 THOUGH THAT'S ALWAYS, UM, UP IN, UP IN MIRROR, SORRY FIRETRUCK. 
          UM, BUT BASED ON THE INFORMATION ON THAT SANDBORNE MAP, UM, LAUREN WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT THE ASSOCIATED KEY INDICATES, UM, WHICH IS NON-COMBUSTIBLE ROOF METAL SLATE TILE OR ASBE SHINGLES. 
          SO THAT FITS THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN OR ON THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THAT'S HOW WE DUSE THAT. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER BOWMAN. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, UH, THE METAL TILE, UH, ALTERNATIVE. 
          SO I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OPTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE, THE LUXURY OF HAVING THE INTERNET RIGHT HERE WITH US. 
          UM, AND METAL TILE ROOFING THAT EMULATES THE CLAY TILE, ROOFING AND COLOR AND STYLE IS ACTUALLY, UM, A SLIGHTLY CHEAPER PER SQUARE THAN SAND SEA METAL ROOF. 
          VERY, IT'S VERY SLIGHTLY, UM, BUT IT'S AT LEAST COMPARABLE IN PRICE. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR THE, UH, APPLICANT TO KNOW IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          AND I WOULD ONLY ADD, ADD TO COMMISSIONER BOWMAN'S COMMENTS, I I AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF STANDING METAL SEAM IN, IN THE AREA AND THE TILE IS PARTICULARLY ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. 
          THE GUIDELINES, UH, DIRECT US THAT, THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED. 
          UH, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD SUPPORT A REPLACEMENT IN METAL SO LONG THAT, THAT, SO LONG AS THAT, THAT METAL EMULATES THE MATERIAL THAT'S THERE. 
          MOTION THEN, UH, SECOND COMMISSIONER, WELL LET ME RESTATE THE MOTION SINCE THAT WAS A MOTION. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF A ROOF REPLACEMENT, UH, WITH A, WITH A METAL MATERIAL, UH, THAT EMULATES OR ANOTHER MATERIAL THAT EMULATES THE CLAY TILE ROOF. 
          [03:05:02]
A SECOND. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? AYE SUGGESTION FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER RE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BALDMAN? AYE CHAIRMAN, ER AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER  AYE. 
          MOTION? CARRIE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, EDWARD, YOU GOT THE NEXT CASE. 
          [20-3235 Address/Description: 3303 BROADWAY HDRC Case No.: 2020-137 RIO District: RIO-1 Applicant: Zachary Villejo/Villejo Enterprises D.B.A. Good Guys Auto Group Request: Placement of a portable building City Council Dist.: 2]
ITEM 34, IT'S EDWARD. 
          UNMUTE. 
          GO. 
          ALL RIGHT, EDWARD. 
          UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 34 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 21 37 33 0 3 BROADWAY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PLACE A PREFABRICATED STRUCTURE ON THE LOT AT 33 0 3 BROADWAY. 
          PROPOSED STRUCTURE WILL FEATURE APPRO APPROXIMATELY 1300 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE. 
          STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS, ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONALLY, STAFF ON THAT WINDOWS SHOULD BE METAL AND INSIDE AT LEAST TWO INCHES WITHIN WALLS. 
          THAT MATERIALS POLICY THE E D C STANDARDS AND THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          IS THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE? YES, I'M HERE. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. 
          UM, SO YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO DIRECT COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UH, I JUST ASK THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, WHICH OF STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE, ARE YOU OBJECTING TO AT THIS TIME? IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON? I THINK PRIMARILY, UM, THIS IS EDWARD AND I'LL, UH, JUMP IN. 
          UM, THE INCLUSION OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UH, WITHIN THE APPLICATION. 
          UM, THE STRUCTURE I BELIEVE AND THE APPLICANT, MR. , PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          UM, THE STRUCTURE IS ESSENTIALLY AS WE KNOW, PREFABRICATED AND WILL BE PLACED ON SITE. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK IT'S JUST THE ABILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO PRODUCE OR TO OBTAIN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IS PRIMARILY ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE, UM, A STRUCTURAL DIAGRAM OR STRUCTURAL SECTION AS WELL AS, UH, SITE PLANNING FOR PLAN. 
          UM, BUT IN REGARDS TO THE ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE MAIN THINGS THAT, UM, HASN'T BEEN INCLUDED. 
          UM, WELL THE ELEVATION, I GOT THAT FROM, UH, LITTLE SCOTT, THE COMPANY I'M DOING THE PORTABLE BUILDING WITH AND I DID FORWARD ALL THAT. 
          SO THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. 
          WELL THAT INFORMATION LOOKS FORWARD TO AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED. 
          SO IF WE GOT IN, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          SINCE WE UH, SINCE THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED INFORMATION THAT MAY HAVE ANSWERED, UH, STAFF'S COMMENTS, UH, I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, A CONTINUANCE ON THIS CASE AND LET STAFF LOOK AT WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          WHEN WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED? JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO OR, UM, BACK, BACK A WEEK OR TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO. 
          IT WAS LAST WEEK AFTER THE AGENDA WAS POSTED, BUT IT, IT ALSO DIDN'T INCLUDE THE ELEVATIONS THAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR. 
          UM, IT, IT ESSENTIALLY INCLUDED, UM, THE SAME DOCUMENTS THAT ARE POSTED WITH THE AGENDA 
          [03:10:01]
IN ADDITION TO A FEW ADDITIONAL PHOTOS. 
          UH, WHAT, WHY WOULDN'T THE PHOTOS BE INCLUDED IN THIS? UM, I'LL ANSWER THAT. 
          UM, PART OF THE, THE CHANGE IN PROTOCOL WITH GOING TO THE VIRTUAL MEETING FORMAT IS WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING SHOWN HERE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN'T ACCESS BECAUSE THE PUBLIC CAN'T ACCESS THE MEETING THE SAME WAY THAT PREVIOUSLY SO THEY CAN NO LONGER ATTEND IN PERSON AND SEE WHAT'S PRESENTED. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE, UM, THAT CALL IN SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO SEE WHAT IS VISUALLY REPRESENTED AND SO WE HAVE TO GO BY WHAT WAS POSTED. 
          UH, BUT, BUT, UH, UH, SO THEN, SO THEN HE TURNED IN THE IMAGES AFTER IT WAS POSTED? THE ADDITIONAL IMAGES? YES. 
          ADDITIONAL IMAGES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          WELL THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I THINK, UH, TO BE FAIR TO THE APPLICANT, TO THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND THE, UH, THE PARTICULAR, UH, PATH WE'RE GONNA WALK FOR THE, THE STATE, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, REQUIREMENTS. 
          I, I MOVE FROM CONTINUANCE OF THIS PROJECT COMMISSIONER GIVES, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          THIS, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER FE AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ARLA AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOVE? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN AYE CHAIRMAN BE AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER FU AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RING AGENDA ITEM 
          [20-3207 Address/Description: 126 WICKES HDRC Case No.: 2020-154 Historic District Name: King William Applicant: GARZA BENJAMIN S Request: Roof replacement City Council Dist.: 1]
NUMBER 35, PAGE NUMBER 20 21 54 AT 1 26 WIX THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REBOOT THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING MODIFICATION OF THE , RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF EITHER AND, UM, CASE COMMENT. 
          THE WORK WAS, UH, ON A SITE VISIT CONDUCTED ON MARCH 17TH, 2020. 
          STAFF FOUND THAT THE PROPERTY AT 1 26, WHICH WAS SUBJECTED TO ROOF FORM MODIFICATION AND GENERAL REMOVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND PERMITS AFTER STAFF, UH, COULD POSTED A STAFF WORK ORDER, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO BE HEARD AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING. 
          UM, AND THE UNAPPROVED WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THE BRICKS REMOVED FROM THE CHIMNEY REMAIN ON A FILE ON THE PORCH ROOF. 
          THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE. 
          WE, YOU BROKE UP A LITTLE BIT WHILE YOU WERE READING THAT. 
          SO COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE ZOOMED IN ON THE RECOMMENDATION SO YOU CAN REREAD IT YOURSELVES, . 
          UM, WE DO HAVE ALSO VERY BRIEF COMMENTS FROM THE, THE  ASSOCIATION. 
          IS THE APPLICANT THERE? YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU. 
          YES. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO, UM, UH, DISCUSS THE CASE AT ALL? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DID HI. 
          I HIRED A CONTRACTOR AND I ASSUMED THAT THEY WERE GONNA GET THE PERMITS AND I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT NOT GETTING THE PERMITS UNTIL I GOT A NOTICE FROM Y'ALL. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          I GUESS I SAID I ASSUME HE, HE WAS GOING THROUGH HIS PART. 
          UM, UM, I'M REQUESTING, UM, TO NOT HAVE THE FLAT ROOF BECAUSE I WANT THE HOUSE TO LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY ALL HAVE TO PEAK. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD SAY ALL MY NEIGHBORS HAVE IT AND I JUST WANT IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE TO KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION. 
          AND THEN THE TWO CHIMNEYS THAT WERE THERE THAT WERE ALREADY FALLING APART. 
          'CAUSE MY NEIGHBORS HAD ALREADY STARTED FALLING AND I DIDN'T WANT MONTHS TO START FALLING AND GET SUED BY MY NEIGHBORS. 
          THEY DO HAVE CHILDREN. 
          UM, AND SO SINCE IT'S JUST COSMETIC, IT'S UM, FAKE CHI MUSEUM CERTAIN PURPOSE, I JUST DIDN'T WANT THEM TO GO BACK UP THERE. 
          SO I'M REQUESTING THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO BE DONE. 
          UM, 
          [03:15:01]
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I STAND. 
          COREY, CAN WE HEAR THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS? YES. 
          AND IT'S VERY BRIEF, UM, SUBMITTED BY THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION, JUST SO THEY, UM, AGREE WITH STAFF. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN, I, I AGREE WITH STAFF, UH, WHENEVER WE ENCOUNTER THESE, UH, TO MANY ELEMENTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. 
          CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES IN THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARTICULAR. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S OFTEN, UH, REQUIRED THAT THEY BE DISMANTLED AND REBUILT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE HOUSE. 
          THEY CAN USUALLY SIT ON, UH, BEAMS IN THE ATTIC, UH, AND BE RECONSTRUCTED TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          UH, BUT IN MY MEMORY WE'VE NOT, WE'VE NOT APPROVED THE REMOVAL OF ONE OF THOSE THAT'S IN PLAIN VIEW IN, UH, RECENT HISTORY. 
          AND ROOF FORM MODIFICATIONS ARE, UH, ARE A PRETTY BIG ISSUE BECAUSE THE WAY THE WAY THE ROOF EXISTED IS WHAT KING WILLIAM IS. 
          IT IS A PART OF THE CHARACTER OF KING WILLIAM. 
          UH, NOT ALL THE HOUSES APPEAR EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          SO, UH, I AGREE WITH STAFF. 
          I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GET SOME COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONER. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          AND I ALSO WOULD AGREE WITH STAFF THAT, UH, CHANGING ROOF FORMS AND REMOVING, UH, VISIBLE CHIMNEYS IS, UH, NOT ACCORDING TO, UH, HISTORIC STANDARDS. 
          SO THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR DENIAL. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. 
          I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS A COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER RIO? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AYE CHAIR BE AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER  AYE. 
          MOTION? CARRIE, THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UH, THIS IS ANOTHER CASE WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER, UM, IS RELYING ON THE CONTRACTOR TO, UH, FOLLOW ALL THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS AND EVERYTHING. 
          WHEN A CASE LIKE THIS COMES BEFORE US AND THERE'S A OBVIOUS, UH, UH, IT WAS A DENIAL, UH, AND OTHER NON-COMPLIANT, UH, CONSTRUCTION ISSUES, DOES THE CITY KEEP A LIST OF CONTRACTORS WHO ARE DOING THIS WORK AND, UH, COULD POSSIBLY, UH, REVOKE THEIR LICENSE, UH, YOU KNOW, FIND 'EM OR SOMETHING SO THAT, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY GETS THE WORD THAT, UH, THEY CAN'T JUST COME IN AND DO WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT? YEAH, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION. 
          UM, GENERALLY ONCE YOU GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF STRIKES, YOU DO RISK RISK, UM, LOSING YOUR LICENSE FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO SEE IF IT'S AN OPTION IN THIS CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RACHEL. 
          DO YOU HAVE ITEM 36? 
          [20-3205 Address/Description: 2115 W GRAMERCY PLACE HDRC Case No.: 2020-172 Historic District Name: Monticello Park Applicant: Mark Reina/Alamo City Construction & Supply LLC. Request: Front porch modifications City Council Dist.: 7]
YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM 36 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 1 72 21 15 WEST GRAMERCY PLACED. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A NEW PORCH ROOF WRAP THE EXISTING METAL PORCH SUPPORTS WITH WOOD TO CREATE SQUARE COLUMNS AND POUR NEW CEMENT TALKING ON PORCH LANDING AND STEPS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING PORCH ELEMENTS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D. 
          AND I DO HAVE THE APPLICANT GILBERT MORENO ON THE LINE. 
          [03:20:01]
HELLO? CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES. 
          YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO, UM, VISIT WITH MY WIFE AND I. 
          MY NAME'S GILBERT MORENO, MY WIFE LINDA AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE SINCE, UH, 2012. 
          AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON BUILDING OUR HOME AND THE, UH, PRESENTATION OF OUR HOME AND BUILDING ITS VALUE SINCE THEN. 
          WE APPLIED FOR A APPROVAL BACK ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO FOR THIS PORT, AND WE WERE APPROVED FOR IT. 
          UM, WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          WE MOVED ON WITH OTHER PROJECTS. 
          BUT, UH, GOING OUT THROUGH A, THROUGH A THROUGH D I LIKE TO GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS AS FAR AS WHY WE WANT TO DO THIS REMODEL WITH OUR FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE IS SAFETY. 
          THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CEMENT ON THE FRONT PORCH, THERE'S A BIG GAP FROM ONE STEP TO THE NEXT STEP THAT FOR THE ELDERLY, LIKE MY PARENTS AND HER PARENTS, IT, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO, TO GO FROM THE STEP ONE TO STEP TWO. 
          UM, SO WE WERE LOOKING TO ADD TO THAT CEMENT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR, YOU SEE THE LIGHTING ON THIS SKETCH HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTING THAT WE HAVE ON THE EXISTING PORCH IS JUST A LIGHT BULB. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE MUCH LIGHTING. 
          UH, NUMBER THREE, IF YOU GO, YOU CAN SEE THE POLES. 
          THE POLES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE METAL AND YOU CAN SEE RUST ON THEM. 
          WE JUST, JUST KIND OF PAINTED SOME WHITE OVER IT. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY OR ABLE TO LOOK, YOU CAN SEE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM RIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THE RUST THERE. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE, UH, REMOVED SO WE CAN FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, NUMBER FOUR, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PORCH, IT'S, IT'S FLAT AND WE GET WATER THAT JUST LIES THERE. 
          UM, THERE'LL BE TIMES I HAVE TO GET UP AND JUST SWEEP THE WATER OUT OF THERE AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S DECORATIVE THAT MATCHES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THE GABLE, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THE, UH, LIGHTING THAT HANGS WITH A BRIGHTER LIGHT. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO JUST, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MATCH THE AREA THAT WE LIVE IN. 
          WE LOVE OUR AREA. 
          UM, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN KINGS HIGHWAY, WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, WHICH IS ONE STREET OVER, THERE'S FIVE OR SIX HOUSES THAT FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF OUR HOME. 
          UM, OUR NEIGHBOR, OUR NEIGHBOR TO OUR RIGHT HAS A SIMILAR HOUSE, HAS THE GABLE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ADD, UM, SOME, SOME NICE CHARACTER TO NOT ONLY THE HOME, BUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TO OUR UH, TO OUR AREA IN THE, UH, MONTICELLO DISTRICT. 
          THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? THIS IS MORE A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION. 
          I THINK IN SOME WAYS WE'RE RUNNING INTO THE SAME ISSUE WE ADDED TO WITH THAT, UH, ENTRY DOOR REPLACEMENT WHERE PARTS OF THE BUILDING STOCK WITHIN MONTICELLO ARE THAT KIND OF TRANSITIONAL PERIOD WHERE YOU'RE SEEING, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE EMERGENCE OF BRANCH, THE RETENTION OF SOME ECHO AND MODERN ELEMENTS. 
          AND ALSO THEN, UH, SOME LATENT, UH, YOU KNOW, COLONIAL REVIVAL SORT OF COMING TOGETHER INTO AN UNUSUAL, UH, ECLECTIC MIX HERE. 
          AND UM, AND IN SOME WAYS, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THAT, THAT ENTRY PORTION AND SAY THAT KIND OF CAPTURES THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE, I THINK IS, IS EQUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, IT JUST DEPENDS ON KIND OF WHERE ARE YOU IN THAT, IN THE SPECTRUM OF THAT TRANSITION OF, OF TIME. 
          THIS IS KIND OF MORE TOWARDS THE REVIVAL, UH, COLONIAL REVIVAL PERIOD WHERE THAT PORCH IS KIND MORE OF A KIND OF LATE MODERNIST PERIOD. 
          SO I FIND THIS, UH, A CHALLENGING, UH, CASE IN A SIMILAR WAY AS THAT DOOR REPLACEMENT WAS. 
          COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER. 
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I AM, I DO NOT FEEL THAT THE CURRENT PORCH ACTUALLY MATCHES THE HOUSE EITHER, BUT I'M NOT SURE WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE THE CORRECT ONE EITHER, BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, AGAIN, MIXING ERAS. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UM, DO WE KNOW IF THAT PORCH THAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW WOULD BE THE ORIGINAL? I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S PROBABLY LATER IN THE SEVENTIES. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY OF GETTING ANY PROOF OF THAT, IF THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL. 
          UM, YEAH, AS IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS CASES, WE USUALLY LOOK AT  MAPS. 
          UM, THE SANDBORN MAPS DO NOT INDICATED PORCH, UM, WHICH MEANS IT CLICK, BUT COULD HAVE COME LATER. 
          UM, IT'S ALSO REALLY SMALL, SO IT'S POSSIBLE NOT JUST SIT AND INCLUDE IT. 
          UM, WE THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME. 
          IT'S A LITTLE MORE STREAMLINED AND DESIGN AND MORE MODERN. 
          SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT HAD A MODERN PORCH ELEMENT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ANSWER, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT'S EITHER ORIGINAL OR A, A VERY EARLY ADDITION TO THE HOUSE. 
          I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE BLOCK AND I DO AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT. 
          MOST OF THESE HOMES ON THIS DO HAVE A, A GABLE PORCH, NOTHING LIKE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS FRONT PORCH LIKE THE ONE THAT HE CURRENTLY HAS. 
          UM, I, I MAY ALSO BE RELUCTANT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO A D OR C JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I MAYBE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE OF, UM, CONTEXT BUT THE OTHER HOUSES. 
          BUT IF I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO MAYBE GO AROUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND THAT BLOCK, KIND OF ALSO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE HOME THAT'S ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING. 
          UM, AND, AND I KNOW IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE NEXT DOOR, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE YOUR HOME IS LIKE THE ONE NEXT DOOR. 
          SO, AND, AND SINCE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ALSO MENTIONED THERE IS A LOT OF MIXES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I MAY THINK YOU MAY FIND A PROPERTY MORE SIMILAR TO YOURS THAT MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT FRONT PORCH WITH A GABLE VERSION. 
          MAYBE MORE SIMPLE. 
          SO WAS THAT A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO D R C? YES. 
          NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS ON A MOTION TO SEND IT? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SECOND. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS CASE TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERNANDEZ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? COMMISSIONER SAID WOOD PLACE A WOOD PRIVACY COMMISSIONER WOOD STOLE FOUR FOOT TALL MEDAL . 
          HEY, I CAN, I CAN HEAR SOMEBODY TALKING OVER THE VOTING. 
          JUST KRISTEN, CAN YOU CALL THAT ONE AGAIN? COMMISSIONER GURE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN? AYE. 
          BECKER AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER LASO AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE AGENDA 
          [20-3246 Address/Description: 226 CAMARGO HDRC Case No.: 2020-153 Historic District Name: Lavaca Applicant: MEVT HOLDINGS LLC Request: Front yard fencing, landscaping, brick sidewalk, porch repair City Council Dist.: 1]
ITEM NUMBER 37, CASE NUMBER 20 21 53 AT 2 26 CAMARGO, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE AND EXPAND A REAR SIDE WOOD DECK. 
          TWO TO REPLACE A REAR WOOD PRIVACY FENCE WITH A NEW WOOD PRIVACY FENCE THREE AND SOLID FOUR FOOT TALL METAL FRAMED CATTLE PANEL FRONT YARD FENCE TO INCLUDE A DRIVEWAY GATE FOUR TO PERFORM FRONT YARD LANDSCAPE MODIFICATION, FIVE TO INSTALL BRICK ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND PATIO AND SIX TO PAINT. 
          THE EXTERIOR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM 1, 2, 3, 4, AND SIX BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH J WITH THE STIPULATION THAT NO CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE ISSUED UNTIL WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL HAS BEEN CORRECTED OR APPROVED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO RESTORING THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS. 
          TWO, THAT THE NO PORTION 
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OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE EXCEEDS SIX FEET IN HEIGHT NOR ENCROACHED PAST THE FRONT FACADE PLANE. 
          THREE, THAT THE FRONT YARD FENCE SHOULD TURN AT THE DRIVEWAY AND INSTEAD OF SPAN ACROSS THE FRONT AND MEET THE FRONT CORNER OF THE FRONT FACADE AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE SHOULD BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE PLANE OF THE HOUSE AND BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PRIVACY FENCE DESIGN OR REMOVED FROM THE FENCE. 
          PLAN FOUR, THAT THE PORTION OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE EXCEEDS FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          AND IF THE DRIVEWAY GATE IS RELOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT YARD PLANE OF THE HOUSE, IT MAY FEATURE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL, NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, ADDING BRICK TO THE WALKWAY AND PATIO BASED ON FINDING J CASE. 
          COMMENT. 
          UPON REVIEW OF THE REQUESTED ITEMS, STAFF FOUND THAT THE PORCH COLUMNS WERE REPLACED AND THAT THE NATURAL LINE HAD BEEN REMOVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          THE APPLICANT AND THE NEW OWNER EXPLAINED THAT SOME WORK WAS INITIATED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND THAT THEY WILL COOPERATE WITH THE REVIEW PROCESS BEFORE CONTINUING ANY MORE WORK. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, TO STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING HAS AGREED TO MOST OF THE STIPULATIONS, BUT IS HERE TODAY TO PROTEST FOR KEEPING A FRONT, UH, FRONT GATE, FRONT DRIVEWAY GATE DESIGN, AS WELL AS, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE BRICK WALKWAY. 
          HI GUYS, THIS IS DE GUTIERREZ. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. 
          I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR YOU GUYS. 
          UM, UM, THEY ARE CORRECT. 
          WE ARE OKAY WITH, UM, ALL OF THE ITEMS EXCEPT FOR ITEM NUMBER, UM, THREE. 
          UM, SO I'LL GET BACK TO THAT. 
          BUT IN REGARDS TO INSTALL THE BRICK ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND PATIO, WE DON'T, WE NO LONGER NEED CONSIDERATION IN THAT. 
          UM, I, WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. 
          LIKE I'VE TOLD MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, UM, HE UNFORTUNATELY NEEDS A DOCTOR AND CAN'T BE ON THIS CALL. 
          SO WE HAVE THIS HOME AND ESTATE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. 
          THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAS THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'VE ADVISED THEM THAT THAT'S NOT WORTH EVEN GOING DOWN THAT PATH. 
          UM, BUT IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTION ON THE PRIVACY, UM, ON THE SAW, THE FOUR FOOT TALL METAL CATTLE PANEL FRONT YARD FENCE AND INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY GATE. 
          AND THE REASON WHY WE LOCATED THE DRIVEWAY GATE WHERE IT IS, IS SO THAT WE COULD SAFELY PARK OUR CARS WITHIN THE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND IF WE PUT IT STARTED AT THE FRONT OF THE, THE, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THERE IS NO REASONABLE SPACE FOR A CAR. 
          WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ATTEMPTS, UH, BREAK-INS INTO THE VEHICLES THAT HAVE DAMAGED THE VEHICLES. 
          WE'VE HAD TIRES STOLEN OFF THE CARS. 
          UM, IT, IT'S JUST BEEN A REALLY HARD, LIKE A REALLY HARD TIME ALSO HAVING TWO CARS BEING ABLE TO PARK ONE ON THE STREET OR NOT PARK ONE ON THE STREET. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAFELY PUT TWO CARS IF WE PUT THE GATE WHERE Y'ALL STATING, WHICH IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT OF IT, SHE ACTUALLY HAS A CHAIN LINK, SIX FOOT FENCE THAT STARTS AT THAT SIDEWALK. 
          WE'RE SAYING WE WOULD START OUR GATE ABOUT TWO FEET BEHIND WHERE HER CHAINING FENCE STARTS. 
          AND I JUST WANT Y'ALL TO REALLY CONSIDER THE SAFETY OF MY BROTHER-IN-LAW AND OUR, OUR STATE AS WELL. 
          HE IS COME HOME WITH HIS SON AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DISORDERLY PEOPLE PASS OUT ON HIS FRONT PORCH AND THERE IS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF PEOPLE COMING BACK AND FORTH FROM THE LASER STREET AREA. 
          AND, UM, HE'S JUST TRYING TO BUILD DISTANCE IN ORDER TO FEEL SAFE, NOT JUST FOR HIS SON BUT FOR HIMSELF AND FINANCIALLY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING TO PUT ADDITIONAL SECURITY CAMERAS, ADDITIONAL SECURITY MEASURES OUT THERE. 
          THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY, TRULY SOLVE IT OR FEEL LIKE HE HAS SOLVED IT IS BY ADDING A ADDITIONAL FENCE AND GATE FOR HIMSELF. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AT RISK OF JUMPING IN HERE. 
          UM, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE AGREEING TO EVERYTHING THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED EXCEPT FOR STIPULATION NUMBER THREE. 
          YOU'D LIKE TO KEEP THE GATE WHERE IT'S PROPOSED AND UH, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE POSITION OF THE GATE. 
          OUR GUIDELINES SUGGEST, OUR GUIDELINES TELL US THAT THE FENCE SHOULD PRINT BACK, BUT THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE WHEN THE FENCE TURNS BACK AND GOES ALONG THE DRIVEWAY AND THEY HIT AN OPEN PORCH, IT MAKES FOR A PARTICULARLY AWKWARD CONDITION, WHICH IS THE CONDITION WE FIND HERE. 
          SO I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE LIGHT OF OR DISMISS THE ARGUMENT FOR SECURITY, I WOULD JUST POINT TO, UH, THE CONDITION THAT WE FIND HERE AND, UH, THE, THE, THE GATE AT THE STREET IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN TURNING THE FENCE BACK INTO THE DRIVEWAY. 
          AND THIS IS COMMISSIONER 
          [03:35:01]
GROOVE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT FOR THAT CHAIN LINK? DID YOU SAY SIX FEET TALL CHAIN LINK? UM, YES MA'AM. 
          I DO BELIEVE IT AND I DO APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T MEASURED MY THOUGHT. 
          IT'S EITHER IT'S FOUR OR SIX. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY, VERY TALL AND IT IS A DETERIORATING CHAMBER SENSE AND THE NEIGHBOR, UM, DOES NOT WANT TO, UM, TAKE IT DOWN, REMOVE IT OR FIX IT. 
          WE WE'RE NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO FIX THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WE SHARE WITH HER. 
          SHE WANTS TO MAINTAIN THAT CHANGING SINCE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SUGGESTED TO HER THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO FIX THAT FOR HER SO THAT BOTH SIDES DO THAT, SHE IS JUST DECLINED THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE DIDN'T ASK HER TO SPLIT HALF THE COST WITH US AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY CHALIN FENCE, IT'S JUST NOT THE LOOK ANYMORE OR I JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE ONE FENCE TO THE RIGHT AND ONE FENCE THE LEFT, THEY JUST DIDN'T REALLY MERGE TOGETHER. 
          AND WE HAVE, WE DON'T WANT A CHAINLESS FENCE AND WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA GET APPROVAL FOR A CHAIN FENCE. 
          SO  WELL, SO, UH, MY QUESTION, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SIX SO THAT, I THINK IT LOOKS MORE LIKE FOUR, SO IT WON'T LOOK TOO AWKWARD. 
          UM, ARE YOU GONNA BUILD YOURS LIKE RIGHT UP AGAINST HERS? SO I MEAN, WHATEVER THE NEIGHBOR DOES, UH, UH, LIKE YOU SAY, SHE MAY CHANGE HER MIND LATER. 
          UM, BUT WILL IT BE THE GAP OR IS IT, ARE YOU GONNA USE HER CHAIN? LIKE TO TURN? NO, WE'RE GONNA BUILD OUR SEPARATE FENCE ALL THE WAY DOWN. 
          SO IF SHE EVER REMOVES HER CHAIN LINK FENCE, WE HAVE OUR FENCE IN PLACE FOR OUR OWN SECURITY. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ATTACHING ONTO HER CHAINING FENCE AT ALL. 
          WE ARE LITERALLY GOING DOWN THE TOP OF THE LINE AND BUILDING OUR OWN SEPARATE FENCE. 
          BUT IT'LL BE LIKE WRAPPED UP AGAINST, I'M WORRIED ABOUT LIKE, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHARING A POP THE LINE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING, THE POST AND THE POST IS GOING TO STEP BACK. 
          SO TECHNICALLY WHERE HER CHAINING FENCE, WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT STARTING, UM, RIGHT ON LIKE RIGHT THERE. 
          BUT IT'S GONNA BE MAYBE A FEW INCHES. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW PROPERTY TO NOT BE USABLE. 
          UM, THE POST, UH, THAT HE DID PUT THE LANDSCAPER PUT WHERE THE POST IS, UM, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO SWING, UM, OUT. 
          AND IT SHOULD BE, IF YOU, IT'S GONNA BE A FOUR, LIKE A FOUR BY FOUR POST. 
          YOU SAID IT'S SWINGING OUT? YES, WHEN YOU OPEN THE GATE. 
          SO LIKE, ONE SIDE COULD ALWAYS BE LIKE, IF HE WAS JUST LEAVING HIS HOUSE, HE COULD HAVE ONE CITATION OR, AND HE'S GONNA SWING, HE'LL WALK UP TO HIS HOUSE AND HE'LL SWING, HE'LL GRAB HIS GATE, OPEN IT, CLOSE HIS GATE BEHIND HIM, OR HE CAN SWING HIM IN. 
          IT'S JUST YOU SAVE MORE SPACE FOR YOUR VEHICLES IF HE SWING IT OUT. 
          AND ALL THE MENS CAMPING ALONG THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, SOMETHING THAT ALL THOSE, ALL THE LANDSCAPING IS GOING TO BE. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S ALL NATIVE LANDSCAPING. 
          OH, YOU'RE DOING THE, TO THE EVERYTHING. 
          THERE'S A, YEAH, THERE'S AN ENTIRE LANDSCAPING PLAN THERE, THERE AND ALONG THE DRIVEWAY. 
          SORRY, I'M GONNA GRAB IT FOR YOU. 
          SO ALONG THE DRIVEWAY, AND I DO APOLOGIZE, UM, IT'S ALWAYS SMALL. 
          I NEED MY GLASSES AND YOU'LL SEE ALL TYPES OF NATIVE PLANS THAT DON'T REQUIRE ADDITIONAL IRRIGATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE FRONT, ON THE FRONT AREA BY THE FISH. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          IF I COULD JUMP IN. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PRESERVING 50% OF THE LAWN AREA, WHICH IT IS IN OUR GUIDELINES. 
          I I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT ALL GETS FILLED IN WITH GRAVEL. 
          WE'LL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          YES SIR. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO THE CURRENT LAWN STATUS, UM, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS DIDN'T ACTUALLY PUT ANY LAWN IN. 
          UM, IT WAS NUT GRASS CLOVER. 
          THERE WAS, THERE WAS REALLY NO, NO LAWN THERE. 
          AND WHEN THE OWNERS MOVED OUT, THEY MOVED TO KENTUCKY AND THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY IRRIGATION TO TAKE CARE OF IT. 
          AND THAT WAS IN THE DEBIT SUMMER AND THERE WAS REALLY PRETTY MUCH NON-EXISTENT. 
          SO WE WERE TRYING TO PUT, WE WERE ACTUALLY PUT NEW GRASS BACK IN THAT WOULD GROW. 
          SO THERE WAS NO GRASS REALLY, IT WAS JUST DEAD. 
          WE, THIS IS COMING IS THE FENCE ON THIS DRAWING THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN? I'M SORRY? THE FENCE. 
          OKAY, I SEE. 
          I GUESS IT'S JUST RINGS INWARD WITH LIKE ONE BIG DOOR, ONE BIG GATE AND NOT TO TWO BIG. 
          CORRECT. 
          IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN, 
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THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE DIFFERENT. 
          THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE FENCE PLAN WAS A SEPARATE FENCE PLAN LOCATED AND IT SWINGS UP, SORRY, THE LANDSCAPER AND THE, THE LANDSCAPE AND THE FENCE COMPANY ARE NOT THE SAME. 
          SO I DO APOLOGIZE IN REGARDS TO THAT. 
          THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, HE JUST, HE DID HIS OWN GATE SITUATION. 
          UM, AND THEN AFTER WE HAD THE LANDSCAPER, WE HAVE OUR FENCE GUY, YOU KNOW, WE PRETTY MUCH GO BY THE CONDITION OF THE FENCE COMPANY AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO USE IT. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          IS IT A TWO SMALLER GATES THAT SWING OPEN LIKE THE FENCE PLAN SHOWS FOR ONE LARGE GATE GATE AND I CHOSE IT'S TWO SMALL GATES? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          MS. COMMISSIONER? YES. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          I THINK THE PLAN ITSELF IS, IS QUITE HANDSOME AND WOULD BE VERY APPROPRIATE FOR A HOME OUTSIDE LOOP FOUR 10, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          IT, UH, ALTHOUGH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, I, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UH, I THINK THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES, UH, WHICH STATE THAT LANDSCAPING SHOULD BE, WHEREAS HISTORICALLY, UH, TYPICAL ALONG THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR THE WALKWAYS OR THE DRIVEWAYS. 
          SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN PROPOSED. 
          HEY, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THIS? WE DO NOT. 
          THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ARE THOSE GATES, UH, DO THEY HAVE AUTOMATIC OPENERS OR ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE, I MISSED THAT. 
          THE VEHICULAR GATES. 
          I THOUGHT SHE SAID MANUALS BECAUSE SHE SAID SHE COULD OPEN IT BOTH WAYS. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT  THAT'S MY HOPE BECAUSE IF THEY ARE AUTOMATIC, YOU COULDN'T HAVE 'EM SWING OUT 'CAUSE IT DID HIT SOMEONE OUT ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO IT WOULD REALLY NEED TO BE MANUALLY TO DO THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULD NOT HAVE AN AUTOMATIC THAT THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD HURT SOMEBODY. 
          AND, UM, SINCE COMPANIES THAT YOU, THAT ARE INSURED IN BONDED, THEY DON'T ALLOW YOU TO PUT THAT, FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE A GATE, AN ELECTRIC GATE THAT SWINGS IN, BUT THERE IS ACTUALLY A SYSTEM WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW VOTER PUT ONTO IT, THEY REQUIRE NOW THAT YOU PUT A SAFETY MECHANISM ON THE BOTTOM THAT STOPS THE GATE. 
          IF SOMEBODY CROSSES THE LINE WITHOUT THE GATE BEING, UM, WITHOUT THE GATE GOING, LIKE BASICALLY IF YOU CROSS THE LINE PRIOR TO THE GATE FULLY OPENING, IT'S GONNA IMMEDIATELY STOP THE GATE. 
          SO IF THIS, THERE'S A NEW LAW PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT WITH SPECIFIC TYPES OF LIKE MOTOR COMPANY THAT PROVIDES SOME OF THE BEST MOTORS OUT THERE MOTOR AND THIS EMANUEL GATE, IT'S DOUBLE MANUAL GATE THAT'S SWING IN OR OUT? WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY. 
          WHATEVER STAFF RECOMMENDS. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          YOU MENTIONED THAT UH, THIS FENCE AND GATE WOULD BE BEHIND THE CORNER POST OF THE ADJACENT THE CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          UM, IF WE APPROVE A, UH, SWINGING GATE OR A PAIR OF GATES AT THE DRIVEWAY, UH, COULD THEY BE SET BACK FAR ENOUGH SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE FULLY OPEN TOWARDS THE STREET THAT THEY DO NOT CROSS THE SIDEWALK? UM, OR WOULD Y'ALL, WOULD Y'ALL, I WOULD THEN RECOMMEND AT THAT POINT, JUST SO I HAVE A LONGER DRIVEWAY, IS THE CLEANER BED IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          THE MORE DRIVEWAY THAT WE HAVE, THE MORE MORE ROOM WE HAVE TO FIT THE VEHICLES, THE TWO VEHICLES. 
          WELL IF IT ONLY SWUNG IN, IT WOULD NEED SOME SORT OF, UH, PERMANENT STOP FEATURE WHERE IT COULD NOT SWING OUT. 
          I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU ARE BREAKING UP, SIR. 
          YES. 
          IF, IF YOU WANTED A SINGLE GATE THAT SWUNG IN, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT WOULD NEED A, SOME SORT OF PERMANENT STOP FEATURE, LIKE AN ADDITIONAL POST OR SOMETHING SO THAT THE GATE COULD NOT SWING OUT BECAUSE I THINK ANY GATE SW ACROSS THE SIDEWALK COULD BE A HAZARD TO, UH, PEDESTRIANS. 
          CORRECT SIR. 
          WITH A HINGE THAT GOES ONE WAY ONLY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [03:45:10]
I'M SO SORRY GUYS. 
          THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE OWNER AND I CANNOT HEAR ANYTHING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE TALKING OFFLINE OR NO, I THINK WE'RE ALL MULLING IT OVER. 
          WE'RE ALL JUST TAKING IT IN. 
          UH, I I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS 1, 2, 3, 4, AND SIX WITH REMOVAL OF STIPULATION THREE, THE ADDED STIPULATION THAT THE GATE BE, BE MANUAL AND SWING IN. 
          I'LL ASK THIS A SECOND. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          I COMMISSIONER FERNANDEZ. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER D AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER  AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN? AYE. 
          KEVIN  NAY. 
          AND COMMISSIONER  NAY PERRY. 
          THANK YOU RACHEL, ARE YOU THERE? AGENDA 
          [20-3222 Address/Description: 344 W ROSEWOOD AVE HDRC Case No.: 2020-128 Historic District Name: Monte Vista Applicant: Mark Olivares Request: Front driveway installation City Council Dist.: 1]
ITEM NUMBER 38 H G R C CASE NUMBER 2020 DASH 1 28 3 44 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A CURB CUT AND INSTALL A 12 FOOT WIDE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ON THE INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY CAST DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D. 
          IF THE H C R C FINDS THE INSTALLATION OF A FRONT DRIVEWAY, APPROPRIATE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A DRIVEWAY KNOW WIDER THAN 10 FEET AND SUBMIT A REVISED LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO INSTALLING A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY AND I HAVE DAVID OLIVAREZ ON THE LINE. 
          HE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT TODAY. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UM, MY NAME IS DAVID OLIVAREZ AND I'M STANDING IN FOR THE, UH, THE OWNER TODAY. 
          UH, BOTH HE AND HIS WIFE ARE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS AS WELL. 
          SO I'M, UH, TASKED WITH, UH, HELPING HIM OUT WITH THIS. 
          BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT HE IS PROPOSING TO INCORPORATE A DRIVEWAY IN THE BEST FEASIBLE WAY TO DO SO. 
          UH, GIVEN THE CHALLENGE OF HAVING A CORNER LOT, UH, SUCH AS AT 3 44, UH, ROSEWOOD. 
          UM, THE CURRENT, UH, ACCESS POINT TO THE PROPERTY AT, UH, CURRENTLY IS THROUGH THE ALLEY. 
          UM, ANYBODY THAT'S, THAT'S DRIVEN ON SAN PEDRO AND KNOWS THE AREA WELL SUCH AS YOU ALL, UH, WILL AGREE THAT, THAT SAN PEDRO IS A PRETTY BUSY STREET. 
          SO IN, IN REGARD TO, TO A SAFETY STANDPOINT AND, UM, TRYING TO, TRYING TO HAVE THE BEST FEASIBLE, BUT THE SAFEST POINT TO ADD PARKING TO THIS LOT, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A A DRIVEWAY. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S ONLY A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST, UH, PART OF THE PROPERTY AND SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ASPECT OF IT, AS WELL AS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE STREET, UH, FROM 3 44 WEST ROSEWOOD IS A CURRENT, UH, BUSINESS. 
          SO, UM, THERE IS PARKING THAT DIRECTLY LOOKS RIGHT OUTSIDE FROM THE HOUSE. 
          UH, SO THERE ESSENTIALLY IS NO PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          SO IF YOU WERE TO PARK A CAR, UH, YOUR ONLY OPTION IS AT THE VERY END OF THE STREET, UH, OR CLOSER. 
          CLOSER, NOT TOWARD THE END OF THE STREET, BUT CLOSER IN TO THE STREET TO AVOID GETTING HIT WHEN SOMEONE IS, IS CHURNING IN ON ROSEWOOD. 
          UM, BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE OWNER ABSOLUTELY 100% WANTS TO, TO KEEP IN MIND THE, THE HISTORICAL ASPECT WANTS TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE GUIDELINES 
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AND IN DOING SO, WANTED TO INCORPORATE THAT THAT 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY CHANGE FROM AN ORIGINAL 12 FOOT. 
          UH, AND HE WANTS TO, HE DOES NOT WANT TO KEEP, HE DOES NOT WANNA INCORPORATE ANY TYPE OF RETAINING WALLS. 
          HE WANTS TO ADHERE TO THE SLOPE OF THE, UH, OF THE CURRENT FRONT LAWN AND HE WANTS TO COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPING AS WELL. 
          AND AT THE MOMENT, UM, THERE ARE NO TREES RESTRICTING THAT SPECIFICALLY. 
          THERE ARE PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR LAVENDER BUSHES OR, UH, SIX FOOT TYPE TREES THAT ARE IN THERE AND THEY SHOULD FIT. 
          UH, WE SHOULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN INCORPORATING THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO REMOVE ONE OF THOSE IF WE NEED TO. 
          UH, THE OWNER IS CERTAINLY WILLING TO, UH, RE LOCATE THIS LAVENDER TO THE LEFT OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, WE WON'T THEM ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE BUT ARE CERTAINLY WILLING TO BE AS COMPLIANT AS POSSIBLE WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          UH, WE HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. 
          WE DO, I'LL READ THOSE NOW. 
          UM, THIS COMES FROM PAUL KENSON FOUR 18 WEST FRENCH. 
          DUE TO THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY IN UNUSUAL CONDITIONS WITH CORNER LOT ON BUSY STREET, SAN PEDRO, MONTE VISTA, HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE CAN AGREE WITH THE, THE O H P STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          NOT THAT IT BE, IT MAY BE MORE DESIRABLE TO LOCATE THE PROPOSED NEW DRIVEWAY CLOSER TO EAST PROPERTY, UM, LINE AS AN APPROPRIATE DRIVEWAY LOCATION. 
          WELL, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND I, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO STATE MY AGREEMENT WITH THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, UH, AS TO WHY THEY'RE WANTING TO DO THIS AND, AND WHY IT WOULD BE BETTER TO COME OFF THE FIRST WITH. 
          BUT, UH, LOOKING AT THAT TOPOGRAPHY THOUGH, I, IT DOES SEEM TO ME THAT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME PAINT RETAINING WALLS AND SOME CHANGING OF THE GRADE OF THE APPROACH. 
          IF YOU IMAGINE AN APPROACH APRON GOING IN OFF OF ROSEWOOD THAT THERE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE A SLOPING DRIVE THAT BRINGS YOU UP TO THE LEVEL. 
          SO THIS IS A MORE COMPLEX PROBLEM THAN WHAT THAT PLAN IS REPRESENTING. 
          AND, UM, I'M, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF APPROACHING, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVING PARKING COME OFF OF ROSEWOOD, BUT I'M NOT SURE THIS IS COMPLETELY THOUGHT THROUGH YET FROM THE TOPOGRAPHIC STANDPOINT. 
          UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, PAUL KINISONS, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE MONTE VISTA ASSOCIATION. 
          I KIND OF SHARE HIS OPINION ON THIS. 
          HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, SHIFTING THAT DRIVEWAY TO, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TOWARD THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU COULD HELP ME. 
          IT DOES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IT MAY BE MORE DESIRABLE TO LOCATE THE PROPOSED NEW DRIVEWAY CLOSER TO THE EAST PROPERTY AS AN APPROPRIATE DRIVER LOCATION. 
          SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, UM, TO THE LEFT, IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'D BE MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          NEEDS TO, THAT'S CLOSER, CLOSER TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CORNER. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT, THAT MIGHT MAY PARTLY BE THE CASE BECAUSE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TOPOGRAPHY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE MAGICAL IF IT MOVES THAT DIRECTION. 
          , IF STAFF WOULD LOOK AT, UH, THE ADJACENT HOUSE TO THE EAST, THEY HAVE A DRIVE THAT, UH, THEY'VE GOT THE APPROACH UP TO THE SIDEWALK AND THEN IT DOES SLOPE UP SORT OF FOLLOWING THE SLOPE OF THE FRONT YARD, WHICH IS WHAT I'M ASSUMING THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UH, WE DID TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SLOPE ON THE OBJECTED PROPERTY AND WE'RE HOPING TO BE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THAT. 
          SO I, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPRO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF MY MIC IS ON OR NOT. 
          CAN ANYBODY HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          . 
          I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AGAIN? YES, MR. CARPENTER? A SECOND. 
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WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? COMMISSIONER EZ AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISCH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER OLA? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER DUBE. 
          SHE STEPPED AWAY. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN, HE STEPPED AWAY. 
          BECKER AYE. 
          AND COMMISSIONER  NA. 
          MOTION CARRIED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE YOU MUTED. 
          [20-3247 Address/Description: 1335 E CROCKETT ST HDRC Case No.: 2020-180 Historic District Name: Dignowity Hill Applicant Linda Reyna Request: Porch decking and fence installation, landscaping City Council Dist.: 2]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 39, CASE NUMBER 20 21 80 AT 1 35 EAST CROCKETT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE DISC FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL FOUR BY FOUR WOOD BRACKETS UNDER THE FRONT DOOR COVER TO CONSTRUCT A WOOD DECK WITH TWO BY FOUR DECKING AND FOUR BY FOUR POSTS OVER THE FRONT CONCRETE PATIO. 
          THREE TO INSTALL A FOUR FOOT TALL CATTLE PANEL FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD, INCLUDING THE DRIVEWAY, GATE, AND FOUR, REPAIR THE EXISTING SIDEWALK BY FILLING IN CRACKS WITH QUICK CREEK STAFF. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF WOOD BRACKETS. 
          AND ITEM TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF WOOD DECK BASED ON FINDING B AND C. 
          IF THE EXISTING DOOR COVER IS SUBJECT TO FAILURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS IN KIND STRUCTURAL REPAIRS. 
          INSTEAD OF ADDING NEW ELEMENTS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE EXISTING COMP. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE PATIOS REPAIRED IN KIND AND THAT THE MINIMAL CONCRETE INCLINE MAY BE INSTALLED TO MEET A D A COMPLIANCE PER THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS. 
          INSTEAD OF INSTALLING A NEW DECK, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE FRONT YARD FENCING BASED ON FINDING D THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION WITH THE DRIVEWAY GATE IS REMOVED FROM THE DESIGN AND THE FENCE IN INSTEAD SPANS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY THERE AND THAT NO PORTION OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE EXCEEDS FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR WALKWAY REPAIR WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE CONCRETE PATCH MATCHES THE EXISTING WALKWAY AND TEXTURE AND COLOR. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, HERE TO PROTEST FOR KEEPING A GATE DESIGN DESPITE NOT HAVING A DRIVEWAY AS WELL AS INSTALLING THE BRACKETS AS THEY HAVE ALREADY BE INSTALLED IN, UH, SLIDE, UH, 13 I BELIEVE. 
          LINDA, ARE YOU THERE? YES, SIR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          DO I BEGIN NOW? YES, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          UM, THANK THE BEST DRIVE OUR, OUR THIS HOME ON 1 3 3 5 EAST CROCKETT. 
          UNLIKE THE, UM, THE OTHER HISTORICAL HOMES THAT ARE REALLY BEAUTIFUL, PLEASE, PLEASE REFER TO SOME OF THE PICTURES OF THIS HOUSE. 
          IT BASICALLY HAS NO DESIGN WHATSOEVER. 
          THE BRACKET SERVE FOR SEVERAL PIECES FOR SEVERAL BIG, UH, SEVERAL ITEMS. ONE IS THAT THE, THE LITTLE LIFT, THE THE LIFT IS PARED OF THE ROOF, TOP OF METAL ROOF. 
          AND IT JUST KIND OF LIKE OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE BRACKETS HELP UP A D A IS UNSAFE, BUT THE BRACKET HELP, HELP GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT AND DENY THIS PROPERTY. 
          THIS THIS PROPERTY IS A BIG PRICE STORE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, WE'VE INVESTED ALMOST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN REPAIRING THIS FROM, WITH EVERYTHING UPDATING. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE WISE, IT'S JUST A CINDER BLOCK HOUSE AND THERE'S, AND IT'S JUST FOUR WALLS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF DEVIATION TO THE OUTSIDE. 
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IT LOOKS LIKE A BARN. 
          AND BE PRIOR, WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS, IT WAS BADLY, BADLY. 
          UM, UH, IT WAS BADLY ABOUT, UM,  . 
          REGARDLESS FOR THESE BRACKETS, IT, IT SERVES SEVERAL . 
          IT GIVES IT SOME KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE RIGHT NOW. 
          IT HELPS, IT HELPS TO MAKE THAT LITTLE LIST OFFICE LIKE NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          KIND OF GOES TO ONE SIDE ON THERE. 
          UH, SO WITH FOR, AND, AND NOT ONLY THAT, ON ON 1111 CROCK AN EXISTING HOME HAS THE EXACT SAME BRACKET ON ONE 18 CANTON. 
          THEY HAVE THE EXACT BRACKETS AS WELL. 
          AND THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S SOME NEW BUILDS THAT ALSO HAVE THE EXACT, THE BRACKETS, SO LIKE STEEL, THAT IT'S STILL CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE COMPROMISING ANY STRUCTURAL DESIGN WITH THIS HOME, BECAUSE THERE IS NO DESIGN, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NONE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, IT IS JUST, IT'S FOUR WALLS AND A 10 ROOF AND THAT'S IT BUILT IN 1945. 
          AND THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE EYESORE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ANY KIND OF CURB APPEAL OR ENHANCE THIS HOME WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING TO GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. 
          SO THAT'S ON THE BRACKET SIDE, UM, OR THE GATE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THERE'S NO KIND OF FENCING, PEOPLE JUST TYPICALLY PARK IN THE FRESH YARD ANYWAYS. 
          AND THESE ARE VERY, VERY SMALL YARDS WITHOUT A GATE. 
          UH, THERE'S SEVERAL ISSUES HERE. 
          SECURITY WOULD BE ONE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE WANT TO PARK BEHIND A FENCE OF BEING. 
          IT WOULD ONLY ALLOW ONE CAR, BUT AT LEAST IT'S, IT IS ONLY A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH. 
          SO REGARDLESS, A HUGE , BUT IT KEEPS THEM SECURITY AS WELL AS TO HELP THEM MOVE IN APPLIANCES AND SOFAS. 
          IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO TRY AND USE JUST THE ENTRANCE GATE TO TRY AND PUT IN THEIR FURNITURE. 
          THIS IS JUST SUCH A TINY LITTLE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO IT SERVES SEVERAL PURPOSES, . 
          SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT IT, IT'S REALLY VITAL WHERE IT AT THE EIGHTH ELEMENT THERE. 
          AND, UH, AND IN BOTH CASES THESE ARE GOING TO BEAUTIFY THIS NEIGHBOR PLACE. 
          THE, THE, THE NOW HILLS IS UP AND COMING AND, AND WE WANT TO CREATE A MORE BEAUTIFUL HOME AND NOT MAKE IT LOOK LIKE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW IT BASICALLY REALLY, WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING IN FRONT, IT, IT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE A CRACK HOUSE. 
          , THE INSIDE IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT IT'S SO HORRIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE AND IT IS JUST, IT'S VERY UPSETTING THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO DEVIATIONS TO IT. 
          OFFENSE GREATLY HELP WITH , AND I KNOW YOU'VE APPROVED THAT, BUT THE FENCE, I MEAN THE, UH, GATE ITSELF IS GOING TO GIVE THE, UM, THE HOMEOWNER OR GIVE, YOU KNOW, GIVE US SOME, THE SECURITY, BEING ABLE TO PARK A CAR WITHIN, UM, AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE IS IN ALMOST ALL OF, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          MOST PEOPLE HAVE A, SOME TYPE OF PLACE TO PARK AND MOST PEOPLE LIKE TO PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. 
          AND THERE'S NO GARAGE, UH, THERE'S NO KIND OF ATTACHED GARAGE OR ANYTHING WITH THIS PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S JUST ANOTHER LITTLE SMALL CICA IN THE BACK. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          WE DO HAVE, UM, COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS FROM THE, UM, NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THEY DO NOT SUPPORT ITEM ONE AND TWO AS PRESENTED. 
          UM, THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE RECEPTIVE OF A DECK, HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIALS UNDER PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THE SECOND LETTER COMES FROM ANOTHER GROUP OF NEIGHBORS SUBMITTED BY EVELYN BROWN. 
          IT SAYS, WE DO NOT SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND DO NOT ALLOW THE DRIVEWAY GATE AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE STIPULATION THAT A RIBBON STRIP OR OTHER NON-OBVIOUS DRIVEWAY BE INSTALLED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          IF YOU WENT GO TO 
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THE, UH, SITES SURVEY, WHICH I BELIEVE IS DRAWING 10, THIS SHOWS ONLY 12.7 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE YOU COULD EVEN GET A CAR IN THERE SINCE THE, IF A FENCE WAS APPROVED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. 
           SHOULD BE MORE THAN THAT. 
          I'M THINK IT'S ONLY 12 FEET. 
          BUT, UM, LOOKING ON THE SURVEY, DRAWING, DRAWING, DRAWING TENS, CAN I ASK STAFF TO PUT UP A, A VIEW WHERE WE CAN SEE THE CURB CONDITION? WE MIGHT NEED TO GO TO GOOGLE MAPS OR SOMETHING, STANDBY. 
          BUT WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS BEING ABLE TO PUT IN, BEING ABLE TO BRING IN THEIR FURNITURE? NOT HAVING A A A LARGER GATE IS, IT IS NOT, IT IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR THEM TO MANIPULATE, BRINGING IN FURNITURE AND, AND APPLIANCES HAVE FROM THE BACK, FROM THE BACKSIDE WITH THE WAY THAT THIS HOUSE WAS MADE. 
          . 
          WELL, YOU'RE SHOWING A FIVE FOOT, YOU'RE SHOWING A FIVE, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          AGAIN, YOU'RE SHOWING A FIVE FOOT PERSONNEL GATE, A UH, PEDESTRIAN GATE ON THE FRONT WALK. 
          UM, AND YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH A THREE FOOT DOOR. 
          SO, UM, OR I'M NOT, IS IT AT A FIVE INCH POST? OKAY. 
          IF THE, IF THE GATE WAS AS WIDE AS THE FRONT DOOR, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING IN THAT YOU'RE RINGING INTO THE HOUSE AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO ALSO DETER A, UM, A, UH, A POTENTIAL BUYER. 
          BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A GATE TO PULL IN A, A SMALL VEHICLE TO PREVENT SOMETHING FROM, UH, . 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I THINK THE, THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ROOM FOR PROPER PARKING WITH WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          UH, WE, WE RARELY CONSIDER FRONT YARD PARKING AS A VIABLE, A VIABLE PARKING SOLUTION. 
          AND IF, IF WE LOOK AT THAT, THAT VEHICLE THAT'S IN THE GARAGE, IT WOULDN'T FIT INSIDE THE FENCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE. 
          IT APPEARS THAT APPEARS THAT THE DEPTH THAT IS PROVIDED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS NOT ADEQUATE FOR A VEHICLE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION SHORT IS, IS NO, IT'S NOT A VIABLE PARKING PLACE. 
          UH, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PARKING THERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO FENCE, NO GATE, AND THERE, THERE ISN'T REALLY THE PRESENCE OF CURBS TO PREVENT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO SQUEEZE IN A PARKING SPACE BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE UTILITY POLE IN THAT FENCE AND THE SPACE WHERE IT JUST DOESN'T FIT. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE IDEA OF GET WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING IT. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          IS IS, UM, IS THERE ACCESS FROM THE REAR OF THE BUILDING? IS THAT AN ALLEY? EXACT, HOWEVER, THERE'S A GIANT TREE THAT, THAT IS BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES. 
          SO THEY CAN'T DRIVE UP ALL WAY. 
          THEY'D HAVE TO, OR NOT TWO HOMES, THE OTHER STRUCTURE. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO STOP AT THE BACK STRUCTURE AND YOU CANNOT BRING IT. 
          UM, YEAH, THEY'D HAVE TO STOP AT THE BACK STRUCTURE. 
          YOU CAN'T, UH, PULL UP ALL THE WAY. 
          BUT IS THAT A, IS THAT A WORKING ALLEY BEHIND THE PROPERTY? UM, I'D HAVE TO TO ASSESS IT TO SEE WHERE IT IS. 
          I'M BRINGING OUT SOMEONE, THE LANDSCAPE THIS COMING WEEKEND. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, ON ON THE OTHER SIDE, HOW, HOW, UM, HIGH THAT ALLEY IS. 
          THE, THE, THE REASON I ASK MORE FOR THE CONDITION'S CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, IF THERE'S A WORKING ALLEY, THEN THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHERE THE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN. 
          BUT IF THERE IS NOT A WORKING ALLEY, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE, THAT THE OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO THE CONVENIENCE OF ACCESS. 
          AND THAT'S EVEN WITH RESPECT TO A GATE THAT ISN'T FOR PARKING CARS, BUT FOR GETTING CLOSE TO THE HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT CREATED A, A SITUATION WHERE THE HOUSE IS, UM, I MEAN A CAR FITS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHETHER IT FITS ON THE, ON THE HOUSE'S PROPERTY OR NOT, CAN BE AKIN TO STREET 
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FRONT PARKING IN A, IN A BUSINESS WHERE THE, WHERE THE, THE, THE TAIL OF THE CAR IS RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK. 
          AND I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A NORM. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK, IF WE LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THIS HOUSE IS AN IN BETWEEN THESE TWO MAJOR PIECES OF PROPERTY, THE, LET'S JUST PUT OURSELVES IN THE, IN AN OWNER'S, NOT A SELLER'S, UH, UM, MENTALITY, BUT AN OWNER'S MENTALITY THAT CLEARLY THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE EQUAL RIGHT, RIGHT TO, TO ACCESS LIKE THE TWO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES DO. 
          IT, IT MIGHT ASK FOR EXTRA CONSIDERATION OR, OR, OR JUST CONSIDERATION BASED ON VERY SPECIFIC, UM, UH, DIFFERENCES IN THIS END, YOUR NORMAL SITUATION. 
          BUT I, I'D SAY THAT ALL CONTINGENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A WORKING ALLEY IN THE BACK THAT GIVES ADEQUATE, UH, UH, ENTRY. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S A CAR IN THAT PICTURE. 
          IT GOT IN THERE SOMEHOW. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A, IT IS NOT PAVED, BUT THERE IS A FIVE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, UM, THE DRIVE FROM THE ALLEY UP TO WHERE THAT PARKED CAR IS BEHIND THE HOUSE. 
          UH, THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN DRIVING THERE FOR A WHILE, SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE IS ACCESS FROM THE ALLEY UP TO THE BACK OF THIS, UH, HOUSE. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I I, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UM, STAFF TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO CLARIFY WHETHER THE OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO THAT ACCESS AND IF THAT ACCESS IS AN ACCESS THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SOME GUARANTEE THAT, THAT, THAT THE CITY, UH, THAT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT PRIVATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY TO THAT REAR REAR ENTRY. 
          BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T, THEN THE, THE, THE SPECIAL, UH, CONDITIONS I THINK WARRANT THE, THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, UH, OBSERVATION, SHE'S KIND OF BREAKING HER HEAD, COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION BECAUSE IN A WAY NONE OF IT MAKES ANY SENSE, BUT I THINK IT IS REASONABLE. 
          UM, THAT'S ONLY WITH RESPECT TO THAT DRIVEWAY OR THE, OR, OR THE, OR THAT ITEM. 
          THE REST OF 'EM, I'M, I'M NOT ADDRESSING, OKAY, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO A SOLUTION ABOUT THE GATE FOR, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN PUT A GATE IN A FRONT FENCE THAT ONLY HAS 12 FEET, SEVEN INCHES BEHIND IT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN ADEQUATE DEPTH FOR THE FENCE. 
          THERE'S ONLY SEVEN FEET CLEAR ON THE WEST SIDE PER THE SURVEY, I BELIEVE IS PROBABLY ACCURATE. 
          THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE FOR A CAR TO PASS. 
          UM, THERE I DO SEE THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN WHERE A FRONT YARD FENCE CAN GO AND THE, THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT LINE, UH, ENOUGH THAT A CAR CAN FIT THE WAY THAT WE SEE IN THE PHOTO. 
          UH, BUT THE FENCE CANNOT GO OUT THERE. 
          AND PUTTING A FENCE ON THE EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE ACTUALLY MAKES IT SO THAT YOU CAN NEVER PARK A CAR IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE AGAIN. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THAT FENCE TURNED BACK, IF THE FENCE WENT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, AND STOPPED, UH, 10 FEET SHORT OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE LEFT SIDE HERE AND TURNED BACK TO THE HOUSE, AT LEAST YOU COULD, YOU COULD PARK THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE. 
          UH, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T FIT ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT WOULD STILL FIT BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE PAVEMENT IN THE HOUSE. 
          BUT IF YOU PUT A FENCE THERE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A CAR THERE ALSO. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW TO HANDLE THIS. 
          I, I, I APPRECIATE I, LET ME LET TELL, LET ME SAY THIS. 
          UH, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          I'M ON BEXAR COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT MAP AND THE, UH, DRIVE BEHIND THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY CALLED MAYES STREET. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT IS A CITY STREET, IT'S A DEAD END STREET BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUE. 
          I THEN, I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION AS TO HOW THEY HAVE HISTORICALLY ACCESSED THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, IN WHICH CASE ME, THE NEEDS OF THE SECURITY, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE BENCH IS BEST FOR THE SECURITY OF THE HOUSE TO GO COMPLETELY ACROSS THAT PROPERTY AND THAT ACCESS IS, UH, UH, THROUGH THE REAR. 
          BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK STAFF TO MAKE SOME RECORD THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT 
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THAT RECOGNITION HAS BEEN MADE BECAUSE YOU, YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF C DECIDES TO CLOSE THAT STREET AND THEN THIS OWNER HAS NO RECOURSE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT HER UNDERSTANDING IS, THIS IS COMMISSIONER LA UNE. 
          UH, THERE'S REFERENCE TO A LANDSCAPING PROPOSAL, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          SO IS THERE A LANDSCAPE PLAN? UM, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THAT. 
          I, I LANDSCAPING IS NOT PART THE REQUEST. 
          IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE APPLICATION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, PORCH DECKING, FENCING, INSTALLATION, AND LANDSCAPING. 
          AND THE APPLICANT JUST MENTIONED A WHILE AGO THAT SHE WAS HAVING LANDSCAPING DONE THIS WEEKEND. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S, UM, WE CAN WE GET WITH THE APPLICANT AFTER THIS AND GET A, A SCOPE FOR THAT AND SEE WHAT APPROVALS ARE REQUIRED? ALRIGHT, THIS IS . 
          UH, ORIGINALLY THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, HAD SOME, UH, AREAS OF ROCK BED, WHICH WE ADVISED THE APPLICANT AGAINST. 
          AND THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, AGREED TO PUT NATURAL TURF BACK TO, UH, BACK TO, UH, THE FRONT YARD AND, AND OTHER LANDSCAPE AREAS. 
          SO THAT ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. 
          SORRY, IF THERE WAS CONFUSION IN THE, UH, REQUEST SUBJECT LINE. 
          YEAH, WELL THERE'S CURRENTLY GRAVEL ON IT NOW, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO LIKE PILE IT UP IN AREAS AND SO, AND YOU KNOW, PUT POT AND PUT POTTED PLANTS. 
          WE DON'T WANNA PUT ANYTHING PERMANENT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOMEOWNER WOULD WANT. 
          AND SO WE'RE JUST GONNA DO POTTED PLANTS AND JUST PUT THE CURRENT GRAVEL THAT PUT ON, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT HAS IS GRAVEL IN THE FRONT WITH LITTLE SPOTS OF, OF GRASS. 
          WELL, IF YOU'RE PROPOSING GRAVEL, YOU NEED TO GET THAT APPROVED BY STAFF BEFORE YOU DO IT. 
          NO, IT ALREADY HAS GRAVEL. 
          THERE'S GRAVEL NOW WE'RE NOT GONNA DO, WE'RE NOT GONNA TRANSPORT ANY MORE GRAVEL. 
          WE'RE JUST GONNA USE THE EXISTING GRAVEL AND RAKE IT INTO, JUST BREAK IT IN INTO AREAS RATHER SO THAT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY THERE, THERE, IT, IT HAS GRAVEL RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S BASICALLY ALMOST ALL GRAVEL NOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT LOOK, UM, PRESENTABLE. 
          IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S JUST A SAD, IT'S SAD LOOKING . 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO RAKE IT INTO AREAS, YOU NEED TO DESIGNATE WHAT THE, WHERE THOSE AREAS ARE. 
          OH, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO BEFORE YOU DO IT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, WE'VE HAD CONTRACTORS ON THE FRONT YARD ALL THE TIME AND THEY'RE, I JUST NOTICED  IN THE FRONT YARD WITH, WITH PATCHES OF, OF, UM, PATCHES OF, OF THOSE SCRAP, BUT MOSTLY GRAVEL IN THERE NOW BECAUSE THEY NEVER DROPPED. 
          THEY'VE BEEN USING IT AS PARKING. 
          IT'S BEEN USED AS PARKING SPACE AS PARKING IN THE PAST. 
          SO THEY HAVE GRAVEL ON BOTH SIDES. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WILL GET WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT'S NOT, UH, OFFICIALLY ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO WE WILL, UM, WORK WITH THEM ON WHATEVER. 
          COMMISSIONER C OH, GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE MR. FISH. 
          UM, SO HERE, HERE ARE MY COMMENTS FOR WHAT THEY'RE WORTH. 
          I I, THIS IS A VERY MODEST STRUCTURE. 
          IT, UH, DATES FOR A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE, UH, THINGS WERE KIND OF LEAN. 
          THE ECONOMY HADN'T COME BACK FROM, UH, WORLD WAR II FOR EVERYONE. 
          AND, UH, SO THERE'S A MODEST STRUCTURE. 
          THE, THE BRACKETS THAT WERE PLACED ON HERE ARE ALSO MODEST CHANGE AND THEY'RE ARE A REVERSIBLE THING. 
          THE, THE WOOD DECK IN FRONT, ONCE AGAIN IS A MODEST CHANGE. 
          IT'S REVERSIBLE. 
          SO BOTH THOSE ITEMS, WHILE THE PURIST TO ME SEES, UH, THE POINT THAT, UH, THE STAFF IS MAKING WITH DENYING THOSE TWO ITEMS, I, I CAN SUPPORT THEM. 
          I THINK THEY'RE FINE. 
          I THINK COMMISSIONER FISH AND COMMISSIONER FETZER, UH, CHAIRMAN FESTER, YOU KNOW, BRILLIANTLY POINTED OUT THAT THIS IS, THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO 
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PARK IN THE FRONT YARD HERE AND HAVE A FENCE. 
          SO STAFF'S, UH, UH, COMMENTS ON THIS. 
          THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ABSENT  AND TALKING ABOUT ITEM FOUR SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF NOISE. 
          I MEAN, SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO AS SUBMITTED. 
          ITEM THREE AT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND ITEM FOUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I SECOND CHAIRMAN FETZER, YOU'RE MUTED. 
          THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, JUST A SECOND FOR, I, I ACTUALLY WISH TO AMEND MY OWN, UH, MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT IN SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR APPROVAL BY STAFF BEFORE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS AMEN. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          THAT AMENDMENT IS ACCEPTED. 
          OKAY, WE, THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          COMMISSIONER . 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER YE COMMISSIONER AA AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ? SHE HAS LEFT. 
          COMMISSIONER BOWMAN LEAVE OR DID HE STEP AWAY? MR. BOWMAN HAS ALSO LEFT. 
          CHAIRMAN SUBJECT. 
          AYE. 
          SO MR.  A AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE 
          [Approval of HDRC Meeting Minutes for May 1, 2020.]
HAVE, UH, MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 1ST THAT REQUIRE APPROVAL. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          SECOND, YOU HAVE THE MOTION TO SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OR DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? NOPE, THAT WORKS. 
          UM, AND NOW WE JUST NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          EVERYBODY. 
          . 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FOR . 
          SECOND. 
          THE MOTION IS SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          A AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU ALL.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.