4. Councilmember Shirley Gonzales will be sworn-in as Mayor Pro-Tem, serving the term April 1, 2018 through June 10, 2018.

[15. Ordinance approving a lease with BGSCR Riverwalk LLC (d/b/a Bubba Gump Shrimp) for 787 square feet of River Walk patio space. [Lori Houston, Assistant City Manager; John Jacks, Director, Center City Development & Operations]]

MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT.

ITEM NO. 15.

>> ITEM NO. 15 IS AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A LEASE WITH BGSCR RIVER WALK, LLC DOING BUSINESS AS BUBBA GUMP SHRIMP FOR 787 SQUARE FEET OF RIVER WALK PATIO SPACE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

HI, JOHN.

DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION? COULD YOU PLEASE GO THROUGH THAT? THANK YOU.

>> JUST REAL QUICK SUMMARY.

THIS IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A RIVER WALK PATIO LEASE AGREEMENT WITH BUBBA GUMP SHRIMP COMPANY.

IT IS 787 SQUARE FEET OF RIVER WALK PATIO SPACE.

THE TERMS ARE THROUGH OCTOBER 31, 2003.

BUBBA GUMP SHRIMP COMPANY HAS EXECUTED A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE NIX HOSPITAL.

THE RESTAURANT LOCATION IS IN THE BASEMENT OF THE HOSPITAL.

FROM THE CITY THEY ARE SEEKING TO LEASE 787 SQUARE FEET OF THE CITY-OWNED RIVER WALK PATIO SPACE SO THEY CAN EXTEND THAT SERVICE OUTDOORS.

THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT INCLUDES A FIVE-YEAR TERM WITH ONE FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL OPTION, SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

THIS IS A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE LEASE RATES.

THIS IS A MARKET RATE LEASE, WHICH IS STANDARD PRACTICE ON THE RIVER WALK FOR OUR PATIOS.

YOU CAN SEE IT HAS AN INCREASE THROUGH THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

A LOT OF YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SPACE.

THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE BUBBA GUMP WOULD BE, AND THIS IS THE PREVIOUS LOCATION OF DICK'S LAST RESORT.

AGAIN, IT'S THE BASEMENT OF THE NIX HOSPITAL.

AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS LEASE WITH BUBBA GUMP SHRIMP COMPANY.

>> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PULLED THIS AND WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.

LORI AND SHERYL, I WAS TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE HEARD WITH OUR S.A. TOMORROW PLANNING, AND I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH WITH LOCAL AND SMALL BUSINESSES IS THE WORD AUTHENTICITY AND LOCAL FLAIR FOR

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OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SITTING ON THE VISIT SAN ANTONIO BOARD AS WELL, KNOWING PEOPLE COME TO THE CITY AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY EXPERIENCE A LOCAL FLAIR TO OUR CITY.

AND THE RIVER IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE EVERYBODY COMES.

SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT NIX IS THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY OWN ALL OF THAT AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH THEIR LESSEE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OR COMMITTEE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE -- HOW DO WE UTILIZE OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, HOW DO WE COORDINATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND THE RIVER WALK AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING, OUR AUTHENTIC NATURE THAT WE'RE DOING WITH SAN ANTONIO AND REALLY COORDINATING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WORKING AND WHAT CAN.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> NO.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP.

THE CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT WILL BE COORDINATING A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS TO LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES AND SEE HOW OTHER CITIES ARE LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE AND WE WILL COORDINATE THAT WITH THE PLAN CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.

WE'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCLUDE OVERLAY DISTRICTS OR OTHER INCENTIVES TO PROMOTE ESTABLISHMENTS IN OUR DOWNTOWN RIVER WALK.

>> VIAGRAN: I KNOW IN THE PAST MAYOR HARDBERGER TRIED TO LOOK AT THAT BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN PEOPLE COME, ESPECIALLY TO OUR RIVER, IF WE HAVE IT ON THE STREET LEVEL WITH DIFFERENT LOCAL BUSINESSES OR RESTAURANTS, LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO WORK TOGETHER.

NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE ANYTHING FROM ANYONE BUT WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER TO SEE HOW CAN WE BEST LEVERAGE THIS.

SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: ALL RIGHT.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 15.

WE DO HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WISH TO ASK QUESTIONS, STARTING WITH COUNCILMAN SHAW.

>> SHAW: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO MY COLLEAGUE'S SENTIMENTS REGARDING DIVERSITY IN OUR RIVER.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT OR POTENTIAL LESSEE WILL BRING GREAT DIVERSITY TO THE RIVER.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW CAN WE BRING IN THOSE BIG BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE SMALL BUSINESSES.

THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SAN ANTONIO FOR LOCALS TO GO DOWN TO THE RIVER AND ENJOY SOMETHING WE HAVE NEVER HAD BEFORE.

THANK YOU.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SHAW.

COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES.

>> GONZALES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND SO, LORI, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE THE PROPER ONE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION BUT HOW MIGHT WE TIE INTO THE IDEA THAT WE'RE A CITY OF GASTRONOMY INTO THESE LEASES? I KNOW I WAS IN TUCSON A FEW MONTHS AGO AND THEY ARE ALSO A CITY OF GASTRONOMY.

WHILE I COULD NEVER FIND ANYTHING THAT TALKED ABOUT IT, ONE THING FOR SURE IS THAT EVERY RESTAURANT I WENT TO THE FOOD WAS REALLY DELICIOUS.

AND SO YOU COULD TELL THAT THERE WAS A GREAT SENSE OF PRIDE IN EVERYTHING FROM THE SANDWICHES TO -- I DIDN'T GO TO TOO MANY FINE RESTAURANTS, BUT THE FOOD WAS GOOD EVERYWHERE.

SO HOW CAN WE USE THAT AS A WAY TO ENCOURAGE OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT THAT WE'RE A CITY OF GASTRONOMY?

>> I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT AND WE DEFINITELY WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE LOOK AT OUR BEST PRACTICES AND COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> GONZALES: OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES.

COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> PERRY: YES, THANK YOU, SIR.

ON THE LEASE ITSELF FOR THE SPACE, YOU SAID THAT'S MARKET RATE.

HOW DO WE DETERMINE THE MARKET RATE FOR THAT AREA?

>> COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIVE-YEAR TERMS FOR ALL OF THESE LEASES, EVERY FIVE YEARS WE DO A MARKET STUDY TO DETERMINE RATES AROUND SAN ANTONIO AND ALSO ON THE RIVER.

AND SO WE DO A COMPARISON TO SEE WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE RATE FOR THOSE LEASES.

AND THOSE RATES ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE LOCATION ON THE RIVER.

SO WE DON'T HAVE JUST A STANDARD RATE FOR THE WHOLE RIVER.

IT ACTUALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE ON THE RIVER.

SO, SAY, IN THIS LOCATION IT'S KIND OF ON THE END OF THE HORSESHOE A LITTLE BIT, SO THAT RATE WILL BE A TAD BIT LESS THAN A RATE THAT'S RIGHT THERE BY THE HYATT, BY THE ALAMO.

EVERY SITE IS LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY TO DETERMINE WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE MARKET RATE FOR THAT AREA.

>> PERRY: AND HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THE MARKET RATE? SINCE THAT'S INDIVIDUALLY BASED ON THE LOCATION ON THE RIVER?

>> RIGHT.

WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE RATES

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THAT ARE THE INTERIOR LEASE RATES FOR THOSE SPACES.

WE WILL ACTUALLY GO OUT AND CONTACT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO DETERMINE IF WE WERE GOING TO LEASE THAT PROPERTY WHAT WOULD IT COST US.

AND WE DO THE SAME THING FOR NOT JUST ON THE RIVER WALK, WE ALSO DO IT ON OTHER PROPERTIES WE LEASE.

SO THERE'S A LARGE AUDIO] DOING THIS TO DETERMINING WHAT OUR MARKET RATE LEASE IS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE WE CAN ANALYZE TO SET THOSE RATES.

THEY ARE VERY COMPETITIVE.

WITH THE RIVER WALK IN THIS CASE, OR WHEREVER WE ARE LEASING PROPERTY.

>> PERRY: SO THAT ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS FUTURE LEASES TO ENCOURAGE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IN THAT AREA, THAT'S ONE PORTION THAT WE COULD KIND OF PLAY WITH.

>> IT IS.

KEEPING IN MIND THAT IT'S ALSO A COMPETITIVE MARKET SO WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.

IN THIS CASE, EVEN THE INTERIOR OF THE SPACE IS PRIVATELY OWNED SO OUR RATE HAS TO BE KIND OF EITHER COMPLEMENTARY OR RESPECTFUL OF WHAT THAT RATE IS IN THE INTERIOR.

SO IT'S KIND OF A DELICATE NEGOTIATION, A LOT OF TIMES.

THAT'S THE OTHER THING.

EVERY ONE OF THESE LEASES IS NEGOTIATED, SO THERE IS OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF FLUCTUATE OR MAKE RANGES.

>> BUT YOU ARE RIGHT.

WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT OUR LEASE RATES AND LOOK TO SEE HOW WE CAN INCENT MORE AUTHENTIC OR OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES TO COME TO THE RIVER.

>> PERRY: THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

THAT'S ONE AVENUE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCILWOMAN'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.

TO ME, THAT'S REALLY OUR ONLY LEVERAGE.

OTHERWISE YOU'RE DEALING WITH COMMERCIAL ENTITIES THAT ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MOVE IN THEY CAN MOVE IN.

I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN REALLY GET INVOLVED IN THAT AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET OTHER LOCAL RESTAURANTS IN THERE.

BUT THAT IS ONE AREA THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PERRY.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NO. 15.

PLEASE VOTE.

[20.Ordinance amending Chapter 14 of the City Code, Solid Waste, to implement a new Citywide fee for diaper contamination in the City recycling and organics containers. [Roderick Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; David W. McCary, Director, Solid Waste Management]]

MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM NO. 20.

>> ITEM NO. 20 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 14 OF THE CITY CODE SOLID WASTE TO IMPLEMENT A NEW CITYWIDE FEE FOR DIAPER CONTAMINATION IN THE CITY RECYCLING AND ORGANICS CONTAINERS.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

>> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND, DAVID, I DON'T REALLY EXPECT THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME.

YOU HAVE MADE THE PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BECAUSE OF MY CONCERNS OF WHO THIS FEE IS GOING TO IMPACT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A $50 FEE FOR EACH OCCURRENCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE IMPACT ON YOUNG FAMILIES, THE ELDERLY, AND THE INFIRM.

THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR POPULATION WHO, YOU KNOW, RELY ON DIAPERS AS A HYGIENE ELEMENT IN THEIR LIVES EVERY DAY.

I HAVE CONCERNS, SINCE THIS FEE WILL BE ADDED TO THE CPS BILL FOR COLLECTION.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE FAMILIES ARE ALREADY HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME PAYING THEIR UTILITY BILLS.

IF A UTILITY BILL FOR MANY OF THESE FAMILIES IS $100 OR $110 OR $90, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING A 50% CHARGE ON THAT UTILITY BILL FOR THAT PARTICULAR MONTH THAT THEY ARE BEING BILLED FOR THIS.

THAT CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THEM PAYING THEIR BILL OR NOT PAYING THEIR BILL, FALLING INTO A POSITION OF DEFAULT.

THEY COULD HAVE THEIR UTILITIES DISCONNECTED.

AND I THINK THAT THAT OCCURRENCE, WHETHER IT HAPPENED TO A DOZEN FAMILIES OR 100 FAMILIES IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD FIND ALTERNATIVE METHODS SO THAT IT SIMPLY DOESN'T OCCUR.

YOU KNOW, I HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH DAVID ABOUT THIS.

I RECOGNIZE THE SINCERITY OF THE PROBLEM.

I BELIEVE HE SAYS IT COSTS THE CITY ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO RECTIFY THAT SITUATION.

BUT PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE WORDING OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS SERVICE.

WHEREAS OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS HAVE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE IN THEIR CONTRACT THAT DOESN'T PENALIZE THEM TO THE EXTENT THAT SAN ANTONIO IS PENALIZED.

HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT AND TRY AND WORK ON THAT IN THE FUTURE.

ISN'T THAT CORRECT, DAVID?

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND CITY

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COUNCIL.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT DIRTY DIAPERS ARE BEING PLACED IN THE RECYCLING CART.

AND AS A PART OF THAT IT COMPROMISES OUR ABILITY TO SELL OUR COMMODITIES ON THE OTHER MARKET.

SO THERE IS A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE POINTED OUT AND THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO US IN OUR COMMUNITY HEALTH AND EQUITY COMMITTEE.

COUNCILMAN SHAW RAISED THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO PAY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ADDED AND SHARED WITH EVERYONE IS THAT THE IDEA IS FOR ALL OF US TO GET WARNINGS IF WE DO SOMETHING WRONG, REGARDLESS IF IT'S CONTAMINATION OF SMALLER ITEMS OR LARGER ITEMS. ALTHOUGH WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS CONTAMINATION FOR DIAPERS ONLY, THESE DIAPERS ARE BEING PLACED IN THE BLUE AND SOMETIMES GREEN CARTS WHEN THEY SHOULD BE PLACED IN THE BROWN CARTS.

SO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ALWAYS GET A WARNING.

THE BEAUTY OF THAT WARNING IS THE FACT THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE $25 FEE FOR ALL OTHER CONTAMINANTS BACK IN JUNE OF 2016, WE IMMEDIATELY SAW A REDUCTION.

IN FACT, ALL THE WARNINGS THAT WE HAVE ISSUED OUT TO DATE IS ABOUT OVER 50,000.

YOU KNOW THAT 97% OF THOSE WARNINGS NEVER TURNED INTO FINES.

PEOPLE TOOK THE EDUCATION VERY WELL.

THEY MADE THE ADJUSTMENT AND THEY MOVED ON.

LESS THAN 3% ACTUALLY TURNED INTO A FEE.

AND KEEP IN MIND THE FEE WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAD TO SEND STAFF OUT THERE TO EMPTY THAT BLUE CART AND WE SENT PART OF OUR TEAM TO MAKE IT RIGHT FOR THEM.

SO THE SAME THING APPLIES FOR THE DIAPER FEE.

THERE WILL BE A WARNING THE FIRST TIME.

THE SECOND TIME IS WHERE THE FEE WILL BE SENT.

KEEP IN MIND THAT WE TAKE PICTURES OF THE CART.

WE TAKE PICTURES OF THE CONTENTS AND THEIR ADDRESS.

THAT RESIDENT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL US.

SO LET'S IMAGINE THAT BY CHANCE WE HAVE TWO RESIDENTS.

THE HUSBAND MISCUED.

HE PUT IT OUT THERE ONCE.

THE WIFE MISCUED.

SO THAT'S A SECOND TIME.

WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE THOUGHT ABOUT SINCE COUNCILMAN SHAW BROUGHT IT UP WAS THAT WE HAVE KIND OF LIKE -- NOT LIKE YOUR DEFENSIVE DRIVING, BUT WE'RE WORKING TO NOT ONLY CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO POSSIBLY GO ONLINE TO ACTUALLY CLICK AND GO THROUGH SOME TYPE OF TUTORIAL.

WHILE WE WORK ON THAT, WHAT I SUGGESTED IS WE COULD HAVE ONE OF OUR TEAMMATES, ONE OF OUR INSPECTORS ACTUALLY COME OUT TO THEIR RESIDENCE AND WALK THEM THROUGH THAT.

SO IF THEY REQUEST IT THEN THEY'LL GET A THIRD SHOT AT IT.

BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET ANY DOLLARS FROM THIS AT ALL.

IT IS NOT ABOUT THE $50.

IT IS ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR.

AND WHAT WE SAW WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE CAUSAL EFFECT OF THE $25, WE IMMEDIATELY SAW THE DIAPER CONTAMINATION GO DOWN TO 54 POUNDS PER HOUR.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S GONE BACK UP TO 150 POUNDS PER HOUR.

BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT THE BENEFIT IS OVERALL CONTAMINATION HAS GONE FROM 28% CONTAMINATION RATE ONLY TO 18%.

THAT'S 10 PERCENTAGE POINTS.

THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE SELLING AND PUTTING OUT THERE MORE THAN 80% OF OUR COMMODITIES IN A FAVORABLE ADVANTAGE FOR OUR CITY.

AS YOUR DIRECTOR, I WANT OUR CITY TO BE KNOWN FOR ITS GREAT RECYCLABLES.

WE CAN DO IT.

SO IF WE DO HAVE SOMEONE THAT BY CHANCE HAS THAT ISSUE, WE ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO WORK WITH THEM.

BECAUSE HERE'S THE CHALLENGE.

WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT BABY DIAPERS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADULT DIAPERS AS WELL.

AND ALWAYS, AT THE SAME TIME, WE RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING A CHOICE.

SO WE WANT TO HELP THEM WITH THAT CHOICE.

WE WANT TO HELP THEM WITH THAT CHANGE AND GETTING THEM TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A REASON.

THAT $1 MILLION IMPACTS ALL RESIDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO.

SO OUR THOUGHT IS STILL TO WORK WITH EACH OF THE RESIDENTS SO IF THEY BY CHANCE MADE THAT ADDITIONAL MISTAKE I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM.

AND THAT'S THE IDEA IS BECAUSE, KEEP IN MIND, EVEN FOR DIAPERS WE'RE STILL SENDING A DIFFERENT CREW OUT THERE TO CLEAN IT UP AND TO GET IT RIGHT.

BECAUSE, UNFORTUNATELY, THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE RECYCLE FACILITY ARE SEPARATING THESE HEALTH HAZARDS BY HAND.

THEIR EXPOSURE TO HAND.

THEY ARE NOT CITY EMPLOYEES BUT THEY ARE EMPLOYEES, PERIOD.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO GET STRAIGHT.

>> COURAGE: WELL, I PRESUME TO YOUR LAST POINT THAT THEY ARE

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PROTECTING THEMSELVES AND THE COMPANY ENSURES THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THEIR EMPLOYEES.

>> THEY HAVE GLOVES BUT YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT DIAPERS.

THE ONES IN THE TUBE.

WHEN THEY MIX IT IN AFFECTS US ON THE OPEN MARKET.

WE ACTUALLY PAY AN ADDITIONAL $12.50 PER TON FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEPARATE THEM.

THAT'S $1 MILLION THAT COULD BE GOING TOWARD OUR BOTTOM LINE THAT WOULD GO BACK TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEN WE CAN MAINTAIN STEADY RATES FOR THAT.

>> COURAGE: WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO BACK TO THAT FIGURE YOU WERE USING.

ABOUT 50,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE VIOLATING OUR PROCEDURES FOR THEIR RECYCLING AND THEIR TRASH.

AND WE REDUCED THAT BY 97%.

THAT MEANS THERE ARE 1500 FAMILIES THAT DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE HOWEVER WE WERE GIVING THAT MESSAGE.

AND I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT THERE ARE 500 FAMILIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PENALIZED $50 IN THEIR NEXT UTILITY BILL.

WITHOUT US DOING MORE TO EDUCATE THEM.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU KIND OF CHANGE THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU WERE JUST SAYING YOU WANTED TO DO THINGS.

GIVE THEM A WARNING ATTACHED TO THEIR CART THE FIRST TIME.

THE SECOND TIME DON'T START FINING THEM.

SEND SOMEONE OUT TO EDUCATE THEM THAT SECOND TIME.

AND THEN IF THERE'S A THIRD TIME GO AHEAD AND DO THE FINE.

I REALIZE THAT IT TAKES MORE MANPOWER AND MORE TIME.

HOWEVER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER WAY OF EDUCATING PEOPLE AND SOLVING OUR PROBLEM THAN THE POSSIBILITY OF THE FINE THAT SECOND TIME.

AND THEN PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY THEIR BILL.

AND I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ONE FAMILY WHO CAN'T PAY THEIR BILL AND GETS THEIR ELECTRICITY TURNED OFF.

WE SHOULDN'T ENABLE THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF OUR ACTIONS WITHOUT TAKING FURTHER ACTION.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST YOU SWITCH THAT STEP PROCESS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, EVEN IF IT'S GOING TO COST US A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> WELL, COUNCILMAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REMEMBER IS THAT THESE ACTIONS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN ARE BEING TAKEN BY THE RESIDENT.

THERE IS OWNERSHIP THAT WE SHOULDN'T SIDESTEP THAT THE RESIDENT SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO DO.

SO THAT IF WE'VE EDUCATED THEM THE FIRST TIME WE'LL CONTINUE TO EDUCATE THEM THE SECOND TIME.

WE GO TO SCHOOLS.

WE DO DIFFERENT WAYS OF OUTREACH AND EDUCATION.

THE REASON I THINK THAT THAT SECOND TIME HAS TO BE SERIOUS ENOUGH SO THAT THEY'LL KNOW THAT THERE'S A $50 FEE ATTACHED TO DIRTY DIAPERS, CONSCIOUSLY DIRTY DIAPERS.

EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU SEE THEM ON THE STREETS AND IN PARKING LOTS.

BUT THERE'S A CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT WE HAVE TO STAND FIRM ON AT SOME POINT IN TIME WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YES, IF THEY ASK US TO GIVE THEM ONE MORE SHOT.

I WOULD RATHER HAVE COMPLIANCE.

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE $50.

I JUST WANT TO GET THE MESSAGE I'M JUST WATCHING THOSE NUMBERS CREEP BACK UP WHEN THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY IS DOING THE OPPOSITE.

SO, YES, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE 1500 SINCE THE PROGRAM'S BEEN IN PLACE.

NOT ALL THOSE 1500 ACTUALLY RECEIVED THE FEE ONLY BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE TAKE A PICTURE OF TWO CARTS SIDE BY SIDE, WE THINK IT'S ONE RESIDENT WHEN IT WAS THE OTHER RESIDENT.

SO WHEN IT DOUBT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE TIE GOES TO THE RUNNER.

WE STILL WANT TO GIVE OUR RESIDENTS THE WIN.

THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO GET THE WIN AND IF AT ANY TIME ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SOMEONR FROM THEM MORE TIMES THAN NONE BEFORE I WILL.

AND IF SO, TALK TO US.

WE'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITIES AT A WHOLE.

BUT, YES, THEY WILL GET A THIRD SHOT, IN OTHER WORDS, WITH THIS EDUCATION PIECE THAT WE HAVE ADDED TO IT.

AND THEN IF THEY DO IT A THIRD TIME THEN, YES, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY WITH IF THEY GET THAT FEE AT THAT TIME.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO ASK THAT THEY ASK US FOR A WAIVER.

BECAUSE IF THEY AT LEAST ARE ASKING, THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE AND DO A BETTER JOB.

>> COURAGE: I UNDERSTAND.

I STILL DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR LOGIC BUT I APPRECIATE HOUR YOU PRESENT YOUR ARGUMENT.

THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU.

SHERYL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD?

>> SCULLEY: JUST TO THANK DAVID MCCARRIE.

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HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.

WE HAD TO RENEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT BECAUSE SAN ANTONIO HAD THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF DIRTY DIAPERS IN OUR RECYCLING CANS OF ANY CITY ACROSS THE NATION.

AND THE CONTRACTOR PROVIDED THOSE STATISTICS TO US.

AND WE USED OUR EQUITY ASSESSMENT AS WE EVALUATED THIS.

SO IT'S NOT JUST IN LOW-INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS.

IN FACT, WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THIS IS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.

AND SO WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD.

AND I HAVE TO CREDIT DAVID BECAUSE HE AND HIS TEAM HAVE REALLY WORKED IN THE COMMUNITY ON EDUCATION PROGRAMS, HAVE TRIED A NUMBER OF STRATEGIES AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT WE DO -- IT'S A CHOICE PEOPLE MAKE.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE THROWING DIAPERS INTO THE RECYCLING CAN, AND WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO ACCOMPLISH THE COUNCIL-ADOPTED GOAL OF REACHING A RECYCLING RATE OF 60% BY THE YEAR 2025.

AND WE'RE APPROACHING THAT FROM ALL ANGLES AND ALSO MANAGING THE FINANCES OF THIS ENTERPRISE OPERATION OF THE CITY.

SO, AS MUCH AS WE DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND THE FINE, THIS HAS COME AFTER TRYING NUMEROUS STRATEGIES AND CONTINUING OUR EDUCATION EFFORT.

SO THAT IS IN PART WHY DAVID IS RECOMMENDING THIS TODAY.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST THREE YEARS.

THANKS.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: COUNCILMAN PERRY.

>> PERRY: THANK YOU, SIR.

DAVID, I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING IN AND TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

I THOUGHT I WAS THROUGH WITH DIAPERS AFTER THE KIDS LEFT, BUT HERE I AM DEALING WITH THEM AGAIN.

ONE THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE EDUCATION PORTION OF IT.

>> RIGHT.

>> PERRY: I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT FOLKS WITHIN THE CITY REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS, HOW MUCH IT'S COSTING US, AND HOW DO THEY GET THAT INFORMATION, THAT EDUCATION.

YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT Y'ALL SEND OUT -- YOU PUT DOOR HANGERS TWICE A YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT --

>> FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

>> PERRY: FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

I THINK SOMETHING SHOULD BE INCORPORATED ON THAT DOOR HANGER LAYING OUT THE DOS AND DON'TS OF OUR PROGRAM HERE, OUR SOLID WASTE PROGRAM AND RECYCLING PROGRAM.

BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THE WORD ISN'T GETTING OUT THERE.

HERE'S WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT.

WHEN WE STARTED CHARGING THE $25 PER OCCURRENCE, YES, THE LINE WENT DOWN.

IT'S VERY OBVIOUS WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.

THE LINE STARTED GOING UP AGAIN.

SO IS THIS $50 GOING TO DO THE SAME THING? THE LINE IMMEDIATELY DIPS DOWN AND IT'S GOING TO CREEP BACK UP AGAIN? I SUSPECT IT PROBABLY WILL.

I MEAN, IF IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

SO I THINK THE EDUCATION PORTION IS THE KEY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN DOING OR TRYING THE EDUCATION PORTION, BUT IT HASN'T WORKED.

AND THE WORD IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GETTING OUT.

FOR THE YOUNGER FAMILIES, OLDER FAMILIES, WHATEVER THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE THE PROBLEMS OUT THERE.

I WOULD STILL SAY THAT SOMEHOW WE NEED A BETTER WAY OF COMMUNICATING WITH THE OCCUPANTS OUT THERE.

AND, AGAIN, MY SUGGESTION WAS WITH THAT DOOR HANGER, YOU DO IT FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

WE DON'T ADDRESS ANY OF THAT ON THAT DOOR HANGER.

IF YOU ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING -- NOWADAYS IF YOU GET A PIECE OF PAPER ON YOUR DOOR, YOU NORMALLY LOOK AT IT.

SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE THAT.

I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF THING BEFORE WE START INSTITUTING THIS ADDITIONAL FEE.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

YOU KNOW, I WILL SUPPORT WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE IN HOW YOU GET THIS WORD OUT.

>> YES, SIR.

>> PERRY: TO ENFORCE THIS AND MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE TOWARDS THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM.

>> YEAH, SO TWO THINGS, COUNCILMAN PERRY.

ONE, WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE AS WE WENT THROUGH AND MET WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEIR CHIEFS OF STAFFS.

BUT YOUR IDEA ABOUT THE DOOR HANGER, WE ACTUALLY TOOK TO HEART THE DOS AND DON'TS

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THAT YOU MENTIONED TO US.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL SHOULD BE AWARE OF IS WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS AGENDA ITEM WE'RE GOING TO SEND A LETTER OUT TO ALL RESIDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO.

AND IN THAT LETTER WOULD BE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE IMPACT.

MOST RESIDENTS MAY NOT REALIZE IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE PLUS A YEAR.

AND THEY ALSO MAY NOT REALIZE THE HAZARDS TO THOSE THAT ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING IN THE PLANT AND HOW IT AFFECTS THEM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

AS FOLLOW UP TO THAT, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PLACE STICKERS ON ALL THE CARTS IN SAN ANTONIO.

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT'S CLEAR ABOUT NO RECYCLING -- OR NO DIAPERS IN THE CART.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE REASON YOU SEE IT GO DOWN AND SOMETIMES GO UP, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE GOTTEN GOOD AT HIDING THESE DIAPERS.

SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT ARE CARING FOR OUR SENIORS HAVE GOTTEN GOOD AT HIDING.

THEY DON'T ALWAYS PUT IT AT THE TOP.

IN FACT, THEY SOMETIMES PUT IT AT THE BOTTOM.

SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE ONE OF OUR TRUCKS THE OTHER DAY WENT TO THE FACILITY AND WHEN IT TIPPED OUT WE ACTUALLY ASSESSED IT.

WE COUNTED 131 DIAPERS FROM ONE OF OUR TRUCKS.

KEEP IN MIND I HAVE OVER 180 OF THEM CITYWIDE.

SO WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THAT, YES, THEY ARE GETTING BETTER AT HIDING THAT.

BUT THESE ARE A FEW NUMBERS.

WE ACTUALLY DON'T THINK MORE THAN 900 TO 950 A YEAR ACTUALLY WILL DO THAT.

AND IF WE COULD CHANGE THAT THEN YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT MAYBE 7% OF THEM ACTUALLY GOING ON FOR FEES AND, HOPEFULLY, WE CAN ADJUST THAT.

I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE $50 IS ONLY FOR THE DIAPERS AND WE CONTINUE WITH THE $25, AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN SINCE JUNE OF 2016.

BUT NOW WE GET THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEE AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE AT THAT POINT.

>> PERRY: OKAY.

WELL, YOU DID MAKE ONE COMMENT.

LET'S SAY THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM AND WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

ISN'T THAT -- ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR?

>> YES.

>> PERRY: AND TO GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WE SAVE THAT MILLION DOLLARS AND IT GOES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN WE LOOK AT RATES, JUST LIKE WE'RE REDUCING THE SMALLEST CART RATE FOR SMALLEST CARTS THIS YEAR, THE MEDIUM-SIZED RATES.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR WORK IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT.

AND THAT'S WHAT KEEPS OUR OVERALL RATES AT A REASONABLE LOW.

AND UNLESS YOU'RE HAVING THE LARGER CART, WHICH YOUR RATE IS DIFFERENT, BECAUSE IT'S A TIERED RATE NOW OR WHAT THEY CALL VARIABLE RATE PRICING.

THAT STILL MEANS THAT OVERALL WE COULD SAVE -- WE NEED THE MILLION DOLLARS TO GO TO OUR BOTTOM LINE, NOT ANYWHERE ELSE.

AND THAT BENEFITS ALL RESIDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO THAT ARE OUR RATEPAYERS.

>> PERRY: SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY IS THAT IF WE SAVE THIS MILLION DOLLARS THE RATE MAY GO DOWN ON ONE OF THOSE CART SIZES OR WHATEVER, THE TIERED RATES.

>> THE SMALLEST CART HAS GONE DOWN COUNTING OUR FLEET MANAGEMENT.

SO EVERY MILLION DOLLARS MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

KEEP IN MIND THAT $1 MILLION ON A FINANCIAL SETTING FOR US IS ABOUT 25 CENTS.

>> PERRY: SO IF WE GET THAT MILLION DOLLARS SAVED WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE SOME KIND OF ADJUSTMENT IN RATES FOR THE FUTURE?

>> YOU CAN EXPECT TO SEE US MAKE A PROPOSAL AS TO THE IMPACT OF WHAT THAT IS SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE NEXT STEPS.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT IS 25 CENTS SAVINGS THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING, SAY WE GET UNDER 50 POUNDS PER HOUR.

THAT MEANS IT GETS CUT FROM 12.50 TO 6.25.

LESS THAN 5% AND THE WHOLE MILLION DOLLARS GOES AWAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THREE CONSECUTIVE AUDITS FOR IT TO GO AWAY IN ITS ENTIRETY.

IT CAN GET TO THAT, THEN WE'LL BE HAPPY TO POINT OUT IN OUR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS WHERE THAT MILLION DOLLARS IS FOR DIRECTION.

>> PERRY: SEE, THAT'S THE HOOK THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, DAVID.

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YOU NEED TO GET THAT WORD OUT TO THE CITY SAYING, HEY, IF WE CAN CUT THIS OUT WE'LL LOOK AT REDUCING OUR RATES EVEN FURTHER IN OUR SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> PERRY: AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE FOLKS.

HEY, YOU COULD GET A BREAK IN OUR GARBAGE PICKUP AND GET A LOWER RATE IF WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THIS ISSUE.

THAT'S THE KIND OF EDUCATION I'M TALKING ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> PERRY: GREAT.

WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PROGRAM BEING SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE CAN LOWER THESE SOLID WASTE RATES EVEN FURTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, DAVID.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PERRY.

COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES.

>> GONZALES: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR AN ATTEMPT TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW IS VERY SERIOUS FOR OUR CITY.

YOU KNOW, I TAKE SOME PAUSE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT MAKING CONSCIOUS CHOICES TO NOT USE THE RECYCLABLE.

I'M TELLING YOU AS A MOTHER OF FOUR YOU MAKE VERY FEW CONSCIOUS DECISIONS ON A DAILY BASIS.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY.

OFTEN IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET YOURSELF DRESSED AND THEM DRESSED AND OUT THE DOOR, YOU JUST WANT TO THROW THE TRASH AWAY.

IT'S NOT SUCH A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO SAY I'M NOT GOING TO RECYCLE THIS, I'M GOING TO THROW IT HERE.

YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO IN THE MORNING TO TRY TO LEAVE THE HOUSE.

I'M OFTEN SURPRISED THAT I GOT HERE AT ALL BECAUSE OF THE FURY OF TRYING TO GET OUTSIDE WITH THREE SMALL CHILDREN.

SO I CAUTION THAT LANGUAGE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THESE.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, MY COUNCIL DISTRICT HAS HOSTED A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY BABY SHOWERS AND I KNOW THE CITY HOSTS COMMUNITY BABY SHOWERS AT LEAST TWICE A YEAR, MAYBE FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

AND WE OFTEN GIVE AWAY DIAPERS.

SO HOW ABOUT IN THOSE SCENARIOS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE DIAPERS ARE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY BABY SHOWER WE EDUCATE PEOPLE ON HOW TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR BABY, WHERE TO TAKE THEM, SERVICES THAT THE CITY PROVIDES, EVERYTHING FROM BREASTFEEDING SUPPORT TO WIC PROGRAMS. SO ARE YOU ALSO --

>> WE DO.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE NOW THAT WE ACTUALLY GO OUT FOR NEW MOTHERS OR TO-BE MOTHERS AND WE GET INFORMATION OUT THAT WAY AS WELL.

SO WE DO HAVE TARGETED OUTREACH TO HELP EDUCATE AND DO BETTER WITH THAT.

SO WE CURRENTLY ARE IN PLACE TO DO THAT.

>> GONZALES: AND I DID SEE SOME ADS.

I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS ON TELEVISION, JUST REGULAR TELEVISION.

THEY WERE REALLY GREAT ADS.

>> YES.

>> GONZALES: AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR MARKETING MATERIALS, FROM THE ABILITY TO GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF THAT I HAVE SEEN, THE STICKERS AND THAT AD WHERE SHE HAS TWO BABIES CHASING EACH OTHER ON THE BOTTOM.

IT WAS REALLY CUTE.

AND I'M THINKING PRIMARILY OF CHILDREN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I AM IN LIFE, BUT WITH THE ADULT DIAPER ISSUE I HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT ONE AS FULLY.

BUT, I MEAN, SO I GUESS EVEN STILL MORE TARGETED OUTREACH, I WOULD THINK, WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL.

AND EVEN STILL PUTTING SO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY ON THE INDIVIDUAL IN A COMMUNITY WHERE WE ARE OVERWHELMED WITH RESPONSIBILITIES THAT SOME THINGS THE CITY COULD TAKE CARE OF.

I KNOW THAT RECYCLING IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE -- WE HAVE EVOLVED AS A CITY WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO DO BETTER.

WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT.

BUT EVEN FOR A LOT OF US CULTURALLY IT DOESN'T COME NATURALLY.

EVEN AT THE COUNCIL WE HAVE ALL THESE OPTIONS FOR RECYCLING AND OFTEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

I'M STANDING IN FRONT OF ALL OF THEM TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT GOES IN WHAT BIN.

THIS IS BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION ABOUT WHERE TO PUT THINGS.

I'M RELUCTANT TO MOVE THAT FEE ON TO THE CONSUMER.

THE OTHER THING IS WHAT ABOUT SOME SORT OF CARROT RATHER THAN THE STICK TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? I MEAN, HOW ABOUT COUPONS THAT WOULD SAY IF YOU RECYCLE? THE OTHER THING I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT IS I HAVE TRIED CLOTH DIAPERS AS WELL.

YOUR WHOLE HOUSE WILL SMELL LIKE A DIAPER IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF THAT REALLY QUICKLY.

AND SO THEN YOU THINK WELL MAYBE I'LL BUY BIODEGRADABLE DIAPERS AND PEOPLE GET CONFUSED ABOUT WHETHER THEY CAN GO IN THE

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RECYCLING BECAUSE THEY'RE BIODEGRADABLE.

>> WHEN WE LOOK AT THE $25 FEE THAT CURRENTLY IS IN EXISTENCE IN THE ORDINANCE.

THAT IS FOR CONTAMINATION.

WHAT WE'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU IS STRICTLY FOR DIAPERS ONLY.

SO WE'RE ONLY FOCUSED ON THIS -- IN TERMS OF ORDINANCE CHANGE, TO TARGET THE DIAPER EDUCATION.

WE ALREADY PUT STICKERS ON THE CARTS, THE BLUE CARTS WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT BELONGS.

THERE'S EDUCATION MATERIALS.

CAN WE EVER DO ENOUGH? NO.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN EVER DO ENOUGH.

I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY REMIND EVERYBODY THE PROPER WAY TO RECYCLE.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALREADY APPROACHING OVER 1500 PRESENTATION IN OUR SCHOOLS FOR OUR NEXT GENERATION OF RECYCLERS, AND WE HAVE ALREADY TOUCHED ALMOST 20,000 INDIVIDUALS, COUNTING COMMUNITY GROUPS AS WELL AS SCHOOL PARTICIPANTS TO TRY TO GET THEM LOCKED IN STEP.

SO INCENTIVES, THAT'S WHY WE'RE REACHING OUT AND TARGETING.

YOU KNOW HOW YOUR PHONE IS SO EQUIPPED NOW THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TEXT OR GOOGLE, WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS.

SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT FIND OUR COMMERCIALS WHILE YOU'RE WATCHING A MOVIE THEATER AND THE LITTLE PREEMPTIVE THINGS JUST TO REMIND YOU THERE'S OUR CORE FOR.

THE I RECYCLE.

EVEN AT FIESTA THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO GIVE OUT MEDALS AGAIN BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REDEMPTION STATIONS.

INSTEAD OF 22 THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 30.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET IT RIGHT.

WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE BAG.

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT DOESN'T COME EASY AND THAT YOU CAN NEVER DO TOO MUCH.

>> GONZALES: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT HOW ABOUT THE MAJOR RETAILERS LIKE H-E-B? ARE YOU WORKING WITH THEM TO --

>> YES.

WE ALREADY ARE REACHING OUT AND HAVING SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

YOU MAY RECALL AT ONE TIME WE HAD A NETWORK WITH H-E-B ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT FRONTS, BUT OUR MARKETING STRATEGIST ON OUR SIDE IS CAREFULLY WORKING TO GET THINGS THROUGH AND TO COMMUNICATE.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS PAMPERS THAT COME IN THE BOX, THE BOX SAYS IT CAN BE RECYCLED BUT IT IS NOT REFERRING TO THE DIAPER, REGARDLESS.

BECAUSE PAMPERS IS A TRADEMARK, BUT HUGGIS, ANY OF THEM.

THE BOX CAN, AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO DIAPERS IN THEM, CAN BE RECYCLED.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE HAVING ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS GO TO WASHINGTON, D.C. FOR A PRESENTATION JUST SO THAT THEY'LL KNOW WHEN MANUFACTURERS PRODUCE SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT KIND OF FROM INCEPTION ALL THE WAY BACK TO RECYCLING BACK TO THEM.

SO IF THERE'S CERTAIN COMMODITIES THAT KIND OF TRIP US UP EVERY NOW AND THEN OR OUR CUSTOMERS, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THAT GETS PASSED ON TO THOSE MANUFACTURERS.

>> GONZALES: OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR CONTINUED WORK ON THIS.

I'M ALWAYS VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO AT SOLID WASTE.

I JUST DON'T SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE BECAUSE I JUST FIND IT TO BE OVERBURDENSOME FOR PEOPLE.

$50 COULD PAY FOR TWO FULL BOXES OF DIAPERS AND THAT'S A LOT FOR FAMILIES.

AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT MAYBE YOU COULD EVEN TARGET PERHAPS JUST THE DAY CARES OR, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME HOMES HAVE HOME DAY CARES FOR ADULTS AND FOR CHILDREN.

IF THEY COULD BE TARGETED FIRST BEFORE WE GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER WHO ALREADY ARE BURDENED.

>> LET ME SAY THIS TO YOU, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE.

OUR DRIVERS, OUR INSPECTORS -- UNLESS THEY SEE IT IN THE CART THEN WE KNOW THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE.

WE'RE NOT JUST TARGETING ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY AREA.

THE DEMOGRAPHICS, AS THE CITY MANAGER POINTED OUT, IS ALL OVER THE CITY.

SO WITH THAT BEING THAT UNIQUE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THEM.

SO WHEN WE SAY 97% OF FOLKS THAT GET THAT FIRST WARNING IS THAT EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY, THAT IS PRETTY CLEAR BECAUSE ONLY THAT OTHER LESS THAN 3% ACTUALLY WE HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT IT TO TRY TO GET THEM ON BOARD.

SO ONE THING I WANT YOU TO KNOW IS THAT PLEASE COUNT ON US TO CONTINUE THAT EDUCATION PIECE.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE INVITED TO YOUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS FROM TIME TO TIME.

SOME OF MY STAFF COMES.

BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE A

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PARTICULAR ADDRESS YOU WANT YOUR SOLID WASTE DIRECTOR TO GO VISIT.

IF I PERSONALLY CAN'T GET THERE I'LL HAVE SOMEONE IN STAFF GET THERE.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES.

I'VE GOT TO GET RID OF THIS ADDED FEE THAT WE KNOW AS A CITY WE CAN DO IT.

WE CAN DO IT.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES.

COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN.

>> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DAVID, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO.

I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU PUT UP YOUR PRESENTATION, PLEASE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT ALSO IS TO SEE SOME OF THESE PICTURES, EVEN FOR THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATION, EDUCATION.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR VIEWERS SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING ALSO IN THE SORTING AREAS AND THAT PEOPLE DO PHYSICALLY HAVE TO, EVEN WITH PROTECTIVE GEAR, THEY HAVE TO PICK OUT THESE DIAPERS FROM THE SORTING.

>> COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN, I APPRECIATE IT.

WHAT YOU SEE IN THE LEFT PICTURE IS A DIAPER IN THE ASSEMBLY LINE WHERE ONE OF THE PLANT MAINTENANCE.

YOU SEE THE HAND REACHING OUT TO PULL THE DIAPERS OUT.

ON THE RIGHT SIDE VERSUS THE LEFT, YOU SEE, ONCE IT IS IN BUNDLES, THEN THEY HAVE TO DRESS IT A LITTLE BIT TO PULL OUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY HAVE GOTTEN INTO THAT BUNDLE.

BECAUSE ONCE IT GOES ON THE OPEN MARKET AND SOMETIMES OVERSEAS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR HIGHEST COMMODITY PURCHASES ACTUALLY END UP GOING FOR THOSE COMMODITIES, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THIS AS WELL.

>> VIAGRAN: SURE.

I LOVE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE -- COUNCILWOMAN GONZALES BROUGHT UP.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS EQUITY IMPACT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT FEES.

BUT I ALSO SEE IN THE NEXT SLIDE I SEE THE IMPACT THAT THAT $25 CONTAMINATION FEE DID DO AND IT DID CAUSE A WAKE-UP CALL TO EVERYONE.

WE KNOW IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITIES WHAT WE SEE IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE REPEAT OFFENDERS, WHEN YOU HIT THEM IN THE POCKETBOOK, IT DOES CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THIS FEE HAS TO LAST FOREVER EITHER.

IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YEAH.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT -- AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT IS TRUE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LAST FOREVER.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE STILL MINDFUL OF IS HAVING IT OUT THERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT HAS TO BE EXECUTED IF THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT.

>> VIAGRAN: SURE.

AND IT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR VIOLATORS OF THE DIAPERS.

BECAUSE WHAT'S ALSO NOT LOST ON ME, AND I DON'T THINK ON ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES, IS I DO MY BEST TO RECYCLE AND I WILL MAKE SURE IT'S CLEANED AND IT'S WASHED.

AND I'M PUTTING IT IN MY BLUE RECYCLE BIN.

BUT THEN TO KNOW THAT WHEN IT'S ALL THERE THAT THERE ARE DIAPERS OR WHATEVER OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO POSSIBLY RUIN THE COMMODITY.

AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THIS, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND WE CAN SEE IF THAT NUMBER WILL GO DOWN AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE CREEPING THAT WENT BACK UP.

I DO THINK THAT THE DOOR HANGERS ARE ALWAYS EFFECTIVE.

I KNOW THAT I NEVER MISS A BRUSHY OR BULKY PICK UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THE STICKERS ARE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE TOO, AS WELL ARE YOUR SERVICE GUIDES.

THEY'RE LIKE LITTLE USER -- I HATE TO USE THE TERM BIBLE, BUT THEY ARE, JUST TO KNOW WHAT GOES INTO THOSE CANS.

>> SURE.

>> VIAGRAN: AND TO MAKE THOSE AVAILABLE.

AND I KNOW YOU ALL DO, TO OUR FIELD OFFICE, TO THE LIBRARIES, TO THUATION.

I THINK YOU ALSO NEED TO DO THE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION AT OUR PRE-K 4 SA SITES AS WELL AS OUR SENIORS.

>> WE VISIT PRE-K 4 SA AS WELL AS OUR SENIORS.

>> VIAGRAN: AND JUST TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE ALSO THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I'M GLAD IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED.

THIS HAPPENS IN EVERY SINGLE PART OF TOWN AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT IN SOME WAY WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT RECYCLING GOAL OVERALL AS A CITY.

I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH BUT THE BEST WAY TO NOT GET FINED IS TO NOT DO IT.

SO I THINK THAT IS WHY I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND I'M GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND.

>> VIAGRAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NO. 20.

COUNCILMAN BROCKHOUSE.

>> BROCKHOUSE: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

DAVID, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD WORK ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

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>> BROCKHOUSE: DAVID AND DAVID SQUARE THERE ARE DOING FANTASTIC WORK.

IN THIS SITUATION, AND I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN VIAGRAN RIGHT THERE, THE BEST WAY TO AVOID THE FINE IS TO NOT PUT THE DIAPER IN THE RECYCLABLE CONTAINER.

TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FAMILY SITUATIONS AND HOW YOUR DAY-TO-DAY THOUGHTS, WHAT'S HAPPENING, THE CRAZINESS.

YOU GOT KIDS.

MINE IS FIVE RUNNING AROUND THE HOUSE, AND MY SON AS WELL.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE TENDS TO USE THE BLUE CAN AS AN OVERFLOW WHEN THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON IN THE BROWN.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES AND YOU HAVE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

AT MY HOUSE, MY SON, SINCE HE WAS IN THE SEVENTH OR EIGHTH GRADE, STARTED TAKING OUT THE TRASH.

AS HE WAS DOING THAT, LOADED UP TOO MUCH.

ONE DAY I CAUGHT IT THAT HE WAS USING THE BLUE AS AN OVERFLOW.

THAT WAS A TERRIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN THAT OUT.

I THINK IF YOU CAN GET MORE EDUCATION IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND TO THOSE FOLKS ALSO AT THE END OF MIDDLE SCHOOL, SEVENTH OR EIGHTH GRADE, THE AGE GROUP THAT'S KIND OF GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF THAT.

AND THEN THE STICKER ON TOP OF THE CAN TO REMIND PEOPLE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

YOU CAN BE COMPASSIONATE IN THIS.

YOU HAVE OUTLINED OPPORTUNITIES FOR SINGLE MOTHERS OR SINGLE FATHERS STRUGGLING WITH BABIES TO GET THAT THROWN.

SOMETIMES YOU BAG THAT UP AND CHUNK IT WHATEVER.

I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT IT EITHER, SOMETIMES.

I THINK YOU HAVE COMPASSION BUILT INTO THE PROCESS BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE ANY TIME WE'RE SENDING SOMEONE OUT THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE TIME OF YOUR EMPLOYEES.

THAT COST OF AN ADDITIONAL VISIT OR ADDITIONAL STEP TO EDUCATE THAT WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN EDUCATED IS RESULTING IN THE POTENTIAL FOR A FEE.

SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REITERATE THAT 97% ADHERE TO THESE FINES.

VERY SIMILAR TO CODE COMPLIANCE.

THIS IS BASICALLY A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE.

AND THIS IS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY SO THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT INDICATES THIS IS ISOLATED TO ONE PARTICULAR SOCIOECONOMIC OR DEMOGRAPHIC.

EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SAME STANDARD.

WHEN WE GO AND FILE CODE ISSUES OR DO SWEEPS IN THE DISTRICT, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS WE COME IN AND WE IMMEDIATELY START CITING AND GIVING WARNINGS.

AND 97 TO 99% OF THE CITIZENS ADHERE IMMEDIATELY AND FIX THE PROBLEM AND MOVE AWAY.

THIS 1% OR 3% THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES IN THE CODE COMPLIANCE SECTION, ULTIMATELY END UP GETTING FIND.

THIS ONE YOU HAVE BUILT MORE COMPASSION INTO THE PROCESS, RECOGNIZING THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE OR TWO STEPS -- TO COUNCILMAN COURAGE'S POINT, A $50 FEE APPEARING ON A CPS ENERGY BILL COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU MAKING THAT BILL OR NOT AND MAYBE IT'S WORTHY OF A CONVERSATION.

I THINK THE COUNCILMAN BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.

TO ASK CPS ENERGY -- THEIR ELECTRICITY SHOULDN'T BE TURNED OFF FOR AN ADDED FEE.

IT SHOULD ONLY BE TURNED OFF FOR A PROBLEM.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WITH ECONOMIC ISSUES HERE, FISCAL ISSUES, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT EVER DISCONNECTING SOMEBODY -- IT SHOULD ONLY BE BECAUSE OF THEIR UTILITY BILL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HOW IT IS ALREADY SET UP.

>> WELL, THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP IS THAT BEFORE ANYONE -- AS YOU GET THAT NOTICE, SAY IT'S YOUR SECOND WARNING, WE HAD TO SERVICE THE CONTAINER AND DO A DIFFERENT THING, EVEN BEFORE WE SEND THAT TO CPS ENERGY WE WAIT ALMOST AN ENTIRE MONTH JUST TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RESIDENT TO GET BACK WITH US SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT ADDED ADJUSTMENT IN ADVANCE.

SO EVEN IF WE BY CHANCE -- IT GOES THROUGH, IT FINALLY SNAPS 60 DAYS LATER.

I JUST WANT TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR.

SO GIVING THEM BACK THE CREDIT ON THEM IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR US AS WELL.

>> BROCKHOUSE: THAT'S EXCELLENT.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE ADDING MORE THOUGHT INTO THE PROCESS.

BUT MY CONCERN IS, TO COUNCILMAN COURAGE'S POINT, IF IT ENDS UP ON THE CPS ENERGY BILL AND THEIR BILL IS NORMALLY $110 AND THEY'RE ALWAYS ON THE EDGE OF MAKING IT, NOT MAKING IT, DISCONNECT, NO DISCONNECT.

IF IT DOES GET TO THAT POINT, NOW THEIR BILL IS $160, IS CPS ENERGY SHUTTING THEM DOWN BECAUSE OF THAT $160? OR IS IT JUST FOR THEIR UTILITY BILL THAT'S DUE?

>> IN ALL MY 11 YEARS OF BEING HERE I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM CUT OFF ONE'S ELECTRICITY DIRECTLY FOR NOT PAYING A SOLID WASTE FEE.

IT GETS TOTALED INTO THAT, BUT THAT MEANS THAT IF IT GETS DISCONNECTED IT'S NOT THE FEE ITSELF.

>> BROCKHOUSE: I'M WITH YOU BUT IF WE CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY

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WHAT CPS ENERGY LOOKS AT AND THE TOTAL BILL DUE PRIOR TO A DISCONNECT NOTICE.

>> SO LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE INSIGHT TO THAT, THEN.

SO THEY SOMEONE GOT THE $25 FEE AND THEIR UTILITY IS $110, SO THEY HAVE LIKE $135 ON THE BOOKS.

AND THEY ONLY PAID THE $110 AND THEY FLOAT THAT OTHER $25 THAT'S ATTACHED TO US.

THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO GET CUT OFF AT THAT POINT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING, IN WORKING WITH THEM.

>> BROCKHOUSE: I JUST WANT WANT TO VERIFY THAT.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE DISCONNECTED OVER AN ADDITIONAL FEE.

AT THAT POINT THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES AND I'M CONCERNED THAT CPS ENERGY WOULD BE INCLUDING THIS AS AN ENTIRE LUMP SUM AND BASING THEIR DISCONNECT NOTICE ON THIS FEE THAT MAY HIT THEM AS AN ANINOPPORTUNE TIME.

BUT OVERALL IF YOU CAN CONTINUE DOWN THE EDUCATION PATH AND WITH THE EDUCATION PATH ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO COME TO ACCOUNTABILITY, I THINK YOU HAVE BUILT A PROCESS THAT MAKES SENSE.

I'M HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT IN THE SENSE THAT WE KNOW WHO IS COMPLYING AND WHO IS NOT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TRACKING IT, EDUCATING IT, AND HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOUR TEAM CONTINUES TO DO.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BROCKHOUSE.

I JUST WANT TO SEE THE COMPLIANCE PIECE AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE OTHER UNIQUENESS OF EACH ONE.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COULD YOU IS SILLMAN BROCKHOUSE.

COUNCILMAN COURAGE.

>> COURAGE: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS COMMENDABLE.

WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND BE AN EFFICIENT CITY AND HAVE AN EFFECTIVE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

I JUST REALLY TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE STEPS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEND OUT A LETTER TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE ALL OF THESE SERVICES RIGHT NOW.

GOING TO COST A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THAT.

A DOLLAR A LETTER TO 250,000 OR MORE RESIDENTS?

>> IT SHOULDN'T COST A QUARTER MILLION.

I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT AMOUNT.

WE'RE TALKING ANYWHERE FROM 50 TOO 100,000.

>> COURAGE: REALLY?

>> WE'RE NOT SENDING OUT POST CARDS.

TYPICALLY POST CARDS TO THE ENTIRE CITY DUR O DURING OUR HOLIDAY SCHEDULE, THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.

WE WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT THE SCHEDULE WILL BE.

WE'RE TALKING A LETTER.

>> COURAGE: JUST A LETTER.

NO OTHER INSERTS EXPLAINING ABOUT THE PROGRAM OR ANYTHING?

>> RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LETTER.

THE LETTER IS GOING TO BE PRETTY CLEAR AS TO THE WHY THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO INLE MILLION DOLLAR IMPACT THAT CURRENTLY --

>> COURAGE: THEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT NEW STICKERS ON ALL OF THE RECYCLE -- ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM ON ALL THREE, NOT HERE, NOT HERE --

>> IT ONLY NEEDS TO GO ON THE TWO.

WHICH IS BLUE OR GREEN.

I WANT IT IN THE BROWN.

I WANT TRASH IN THE BROWN, SO THE IDEAL IS --

>> COURAGE: SO TWO OUT OF THREE.

AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PHYSICALLY SOMEBODY PHYSICALLY GETTING OUT OF THE TRUCK AND GO ON AND PUT THEM ON EACH OF THOSE.

HOW MANY ARE WE PUTTING THOSE ON?

>> WE HAVE 355,000 CUSTOMERS.

>> COURAGE: 700,000.

>> YES, SIR.

BUT IT HAS TO BE --

>> COURAGE: THE COST OF THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

>> THINK ABOUT IT, IF WE DO NOTHING, COUNCILMAN.

WE HAVE $10 MILLION THAT JUST LEFT US, SO --

>> COURAGE: I'M NOT SAYING DO NOTHING.

>> IT'S WORTH THE INVESTMENT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO POINT OUT.

>> COURAGE: WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ARRANGE WITH H-E-B AND OTHER GROSSER WHOSE SELL DIAPERS TO PUT SIGNAGE IN AISLES?

>> NO.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING, SOMETIMES ON YOUR PHONE YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO TAG -- THE CELL PHONES ARE UNIQUE NOW.

MY MARKETING MANAGER WOULD KNOW THE RIGHT LANGUAGE FOR THIS, BUT SOMETIMES YOU'LL GET ADVERTISEMENTS THAT WILL POP UP ON YOUR PHONE AND YOU'RE LIKE, WHERE AM I STANDING, HOW DID FOLKS TAG ME FOR BEING HERE.

BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ONCE YOU TAG INTO CERTAIN THINGS YOU USE CERTAIN SHOPPING HABITS, THEN THOSE UNIQUE THINGS TRIGGER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REACH OUT ELECTRONICALLY TO THEM.

SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUTTING UP POSTERS AND ALL OF THE H-E-BS, WE'RE JUST SAYING THE EDUCATION THROUGH ELECTRONIC -- WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TECHNOLOGY CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF US TODAY.

>> COURAGE: SEEMS TO BE IF YOU REALLY EDUCATE PEOPLE.

WHERE YOU HAVE THE DIAPERS IS WHERE YOU HAVE SMALL SIGNS THAT STICK OUT THAT SAY DO NOT PUT IN RECYCLING.

FOR TRASH ONLY.

PEOPLE SEE THOSE AS THEY GO TO BUY THE DIAPERS, EVERY TIME THEY GO TO THE STORE MONTH AFTER MONTH INSTEAD OF CATCHING A

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MESSAGE ONCE IN A WHILE.

I'M TRYING TO HELP YOUR MARKETERS --

>> THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LOOK TO MY MARKETING STRATEGIST TO LOOK INTO THAT.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION.

>> COURAGE: THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED WHICH I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, BUT I GUESS IT GOES ALONG WITH WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT, THIS IS NOT A GEOGRAPHIC ISSUE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT HAPPENS ALL OVER THE CITY.

>> YES, SIR.

>> COURAGE: BUT CONTRARY TO WHAT COUNCILMAN BROCKHOUSE SAID, IT IS AN ECONOMIC AND EDUCATION ISSUE.

BECAUSE IT MOSTLY AFFECTS YOUNG FAMILIES, AND MANY TIMES, YOUNG WOMEN WITH CHILDREN WHO MAY NOT HAVE A SPOUSE IN THE FAMILY, AND THEN A LOT OF SENIORS, VERY OLD, MANY OF THEM LIVING ON THEIR OWN, BUT MANY MORE WHO ARE LIVING IN FACILITIES FOR TAKING CARE OF THE ELDERLY AND YOU SEEM TO MENTION THAT THERE WAS ONE FACILITY WHERE YOU COULD DETERMINE THAT HUNDREDS OF DIAPERS WERE THROWN IN, AND SO THAT MEANS THAT FACILITY, WHETHER IT WAS A CHILD CARE CENTER OR ELDERLY RETIREMENT TYPE CENTER, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO GET PENALIZED $50 COMPARED TO ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE?

>> NO, WHAT I MENTIONED, COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE, IT CAME FROM ONE ROUTE.

WE ARE PERIODICALLY LOOKING AT ROUTES ACROSS THE CITY.

>> COURAGE: RIGHT.

>> SO ALL OF A SUDDEN I SEE 30 POUNDS OF DIAPERS FROM THIS ROUTE AND I TOOK THE TIME TO AUDIT AND I SEE I GOT 70 DIAPER FROM THIS ROUTE.

131 FROM THAT ROUTE, THAT MEANS THAT THE BALANCE OF IT, THERE'S NOT -- IT'S NOT ABOUT ONE FACILITY.

WE COULD IDENTIFY THE FACILITY, THAT WOULD BE AN EASY THING TO DO.

BUT SOME OF THESE FACILITIES ARE REGULAR HOMES THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF OUR NEXT, YOU KNOW, OUR ELDERLY POPULATION.

>> COURAGE: SO, YOU DO KNOW WHAT THE MOST CRITICAL ROUTES ARE?

>> NO.

THAT'S THE POINT.

THAT'S THE POINT -- THAT'S BACK TO MY POINT ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS.

IT'S ALL ACROSS THE CITY.

>> COURAGE: WELL, YEAH.

>> EVEN WHEN WE DO STUDIES ON CONTROL ROUTES WE SEE IT'S ALL ACROSS THE CITY, SO THERE'S NOT -- THERE'S JUST

>> COURAGE: YOU DON'T HAVE TOP TEN ROUTES THAT SEEM TO BE THE PROBLEM?

>> NO, WE HAVE AN ISSUE CITYWIDE.

>> COURAGE: I THINK YOU'VE MADE A VALID POINT.

I WILL STILL VOTE AGAINST THIS ITEM.

I ENCOURAGE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, TOO, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BACK AT ANOTHER MEETING WITH ALTERNATIVES FOR EDUCATION RATHER THAN GOING WITH THE PLAN YOU'RE PROPOSING TODAY.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

>> SANDOVAL: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.

SO, WE DID RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS PROPOSAL AT HEALTH AND EQUITY COMMITTEE.

IT'S FUNNY A LOT OF THE -- IT'S NOT FUNNY, IT'S CURIOUS, THAT A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE ARE HEARING TODAY ARE REALLY ABOUT HEALTH AND EQUITY, AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE, WE REALLY PUT MR. MCCARRIE THROUGH HIS PACES AT THAT COMMITTEE MEETING AND QUESTIONED HIM ON COUNTLESS SCENARIOS ABOUT PEOPLE RECEIVING TICKETS, OR, SORRY, FEES, AS A RESULT OF PUTTING DIAPERS IN THE RECYCLING BINENED HE REALLY CONTINUED TO COME BACK TO US WITH THE VERY FLEXIBLE APPROACH TO HOW PEOPLE ARE CITED FOR THIS -- NOT CITED BECAUSE IT'S A FEE CHARGE.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> SANDOVAL: BUT HOW PEOPLE END UP RECEIVING A FEE.

WE ASKED, WHAT IF IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING AND YOU CAN'T TELL WHO PUT WHAT IN WHERE, HE SAID THEN WE'LL WORK WITH APARTMENT MANAGEMENT.

THERE WERE COUNTLESS AND COUNTLESS SCENARIO, AND COUNCILMAN PELAEZ SILTS ON THAT COMMITTEE AND YOU KNOW WHAT LINE OF QUESTIONING HE CAN HAVE AS WELL.

THERE WAS A LOT ABOUT THE LEGALITIES OF THIS AND COUNCILMAN SHAW ALSO MADE SOME GREAT SUGGESTIONS, SO, BUT ONE THING THAT DID STICK WITH ME DURING THAT PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE US, DAVID, WAS WHEN YOU ISSUE WARNINGS, HOW MANY OF THOSE WARNINGS ACTUALLY TURNED INTO A FEE?

>> LESS THAN 3 PERCENT.

>> SANDOVAL: AND WHAT DID THOSE INDIVIDUALS -- HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THEM? ARE THEY FAMILIES? ARE THEY ONE SPECIFIC TYPE? DOES IT SPAN THE GAMUT?

>> YEAH.

IT KIND OF SPANS THE GAMUT.

EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU'LL GET A WIFE ACCUSING THE HUSBAND OF, I TOLD YOU NOT TO DO THAT.

AND SOMETIMES IT IS SOMEONE THAT

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JUST DIDN'T KNOW SOMEONE VISITING FROM OUT OF TOWN, THEY PUT IT ACCIDENTLY INTO THE WRONG CART, BECAUSE IN THEIR CITY, THE COLORS MAY BE DIFFERENT.

SO, IT COULD BE FROM THAT FROM TIME TO TIME.

BUT IT DID STRETCH THE GAMUT.

>> SANDOVAL: SO, WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM YOUR PRESENTATION WAS THAT WHEN YOU DO TALK TO PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM A WARNING, THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

>> THEY DO.

>> SANDOVAL: AND THAT THE WARNING REALLY SERVES AS THE EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY.

IT'S THAT RED FLAG THAT GETS THEIR ATTENTION, SO I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO DO THAT.

I HATE THE IDEA OF THE WORKERS IN THE RECYCLING FACILITIES, HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT AS PART OF THEIR JOB, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO KEEP THEM SAFE.

>> YES.

>> SANDOVAL: AND KEEP US MOVING ON THE RIGHT PATH TOWARD MEETING OUR RECYCLING GOALS, AND I AM REALLY CONFIDENT THAT YOU HAVE -- YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE WHEN YOU WORK WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE ENCOUNTERING THIS PROBLEM.

>> YES.

>> SANDOVAL: SO, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE ITEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE DISCUSSION AND THE COMMITTEES THAT HAVE VETTED THIS.

BECAUSE UNLIKE, OR JUST LIKE A DIRTY DIAPER, THAT IF YOU DON'T BUNDLE IT UP PROPERLY, THERE CAN BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL.

ITEM NUMBER 20.

[26. Resolution initiating historic landmark designation for 905 Nogalitos St (parcel includes 901, 903, 905 and 911 Nogalitos, and 118, 120 and 122 Ralph) and waiving all related fees. [Roderick Sanchez, Assistant City Manager; Shanon Shea Miller, Director, Office of Historic Preservation] (Continued from January 18, 2018)]

PLEASE VOTE.

EMPLOYEES CARRIES.

ITEM NUMBER 26.

>> ITEM NUMBER 26 IS A RESOLUTION INITIATING HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 9 905NOGALITOS STREET, 118, 120ENED 122 RALPH AND WAIVING ALL RELATED FEES.

>> MAYOR NIRENBERG: OKAY.

WE HAVE A FEW CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.

THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

SUZAN BEVIN.

>> I HAVE TWO PICTURE, THANK YOU, COUNCIL AND MAYOR FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THIS ONE FIRST RIGHT HERE.

BUILT IN 1934.

THIS IS THE ONLY SURVIVING STATION FROM SAN ANTONIO -- OF THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION.